From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Mar 1 13:49:14 2008 From: "Bob Donahue" To: "mgs" Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:47:45 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Was there an MG on the Beverly Hillbillies? I think there was a post about this a while back. What episode was it? Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) Email - bobmgtd@insightbb.com Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 Member: NEMGTR #11470 NAMGBR # 7-3336 Hoosier MGB Club Olde Octagons of Indiana _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Mar 1 16:24:43 2008 From: "Dave Willner" To: Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:24:04 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] need help with a license plate name for a 70 My wife suggested that we come up with a unique plate for her 70 MGB, we've had an antique plate on it for awhile for is about as dull as can be in PA. Any creative ideas for a 70 "split bumper theme" vanity plate...i.e. "SPLT BMPR," something unique along these lines? Appreciate the help, thanks Dave Willner Stroudsburg, PA 59 TR3A Apple Green 70 MGB BRG 70 BSA 441 Victor Special _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Mar 1 19:26:06 2008 From: David Breneman To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:25:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Mgs] need help with a license plate name for a 70 --- Dave Willner wrote: > Any creative ideas for a 70 "split bumper theme" vanity > plate...i.e. "SPLT > BMPR," something unique along these lines? How many characters does Pennsylvania allow? It's a little tougher than with 800 numbers, where people can keep on dialing long after the call has gone through. "Just dial 1-800-GIVE-US-A-CALL-RIGHT-NOW-FOR-A-GREAT-DEAL!" David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Mar 1 20:38:50 2008 From: RampantNM@aol.com To: dwillner@ptd.net, mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 22:37:55 EST Subject: Re: [Mgs] need help with a license plate name for a 70 In a message dated 3/1/2008 4:25:41 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, dwillner@ptd.net writes: My wife suggested that we come up with a unique plate for her 70 MGB, we've had an antique plate on it for awhile for is about as dull as can be in PA. Any creative ideas for a 70 "split bumper theme" vanity plate...i.e. "SPLT BMPR," something unique along these lines? Appreciate the help, thanks Biting my tongue here...how about RARE ONE... Regards, Robert B. Houston 74.5 MGBGT 73 MG Midget As he stared at her ample bosom, he daydreamed of the dual Skinners Union carburetors in his vintage MG, highly functional yet pleasingly formed, perched prominently on top of the intake manifold, aching for experienced hands, the small knurled caps of the oil dampeners begging to be inspected and adjusted as described in chapter seven of the Haynes shop manual. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Mar 2 07:21:02 2008 From: "Dave Willner" To: Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:18:26 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Switch replacement frustration factor I'm thinking of replacing my switches this winter, as well as adding a fog light switch in the console to the left of the hazard switch. I'm going to try and replace the hazard, the lights, the fan, and the map light switches. On a scale of 1-10 what's the level of complexity, any "been there done that," or good advice or tips is appreciated. Thanks... Dave Willner Stroudsburg, PA 59 TR3A Apple Green 70 MGB BRG 70 BSA 441 Victor Special _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Mar 2 07:23:34 2008 From: "Norm 2Bs" To: "MG Digest" Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:23:15 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Count the errors in this listing Nice looking MGA. At $35K I would say a bit over-the-top on price. But, if it is as good underneath as on outside, and the engine has been "fixed,: worth it. I still kick myself for not buying the "New, still in shipping crate, but left outside for years & rusty" twin-cam engine I saw in Hemmings a number of years ago. Cosmopolitan Motors has always carried interesting cars. I first discovered them back in the '70s when in Seattle on business and have often stopped there on other business or vacation trips to browse. Norm Sippel '59 Turner _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Mar 2 11:06:49 2008 From: David Ambrose To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 10:01:55 -0800 Subject: Re: [Mgs] miata question don@napanet.net wrote: >How many people on this list have both a Miata and an MG? I do! I prefer a >Miata for everyday transport, plus the MGs need some fixin'. > > We have one of each. My BGT needs its interior reassembled. It goes into the garage right after I get a few things fixed on the Miata. Cheers, Dave Ambrose _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 3 02:22:13 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Dave Willner" , Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:09:40 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Switch replacement frustration factor The trickiest thing with replacing the switches is removing them from the American dashboard. Electrically it is a doddle if you move one wire at a time to the correct replacement switch, but the hazard usually has a multi-way plug and the fan and map-light switches only have two wires, so even that isn't an issue with those switches. But why are you replacing them? They aren't cheap, replacement parts are rarely these days as good as the originals, and won't last as long. That is if you don't get a faulty one to begin with. The usual reason for working on the switches en masse is the painted logo/writing having worn off, but it is possible to redo that with a tyre marker or some-such. Adding a fog light needs more thought. Is it/are they already mounted? If not mounting position is the first thing to consider. Electrically, both front and rear fog lights should only come on if the main lighting switch is itself on, in either its first or second position. It would be folly to simply power the fog light off the parking light circuit directly, even if there is only one light, the added current will be bad news for the main lighting switch. You should take a wire off the parking light circuit at the main lighting switch (red wire), via an in-line fuse, and the fog-light on-off switch (with tell-tale lamp), to a relay, the other side of the relay winding being connected to ground. The relay contact should then be fed from the brown circuit, via an in-line fuse, and then wired to the light(s). Bring the ground wire back from the lights to the grounding bolt near the fusebox. You can find a schematic at http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/wn_electricsframe.htm and click on 'Lighting' and 'Fog and Spot Lights'. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- I'm thinking of replacing my switches this winter, as well as adding a fog light switch _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 3 07:55:48 2008 From: Bob Howard To: dwillner@ptd.net Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:43:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Switch replacement frustration factor Dave, These switches are easy to do, 1-2 at worst. The headlamp switch and similar rocker switches are held in place by a rectangular plastic bit that tabs into the sides of the switch. Once those tabs are prised back, the plastic bit slips off and the switch pushes out of the panel. There's a special tool for this that I've never seen. Simple to do, but difficult to visualise. Ask around your club to see if anyone has a dash panel out of the car, or at least switch and the plastic bit--once you see the parts it is easy to figure out how to remove them. You might find that original switches are of better quality than replacements. Some years back I replaced a warm headlamp switch with a new one that ran hotter. Removed, cleaned and reinstalled the old one, which then ran cooler. Since then, I have installed relays. No heating now. When reinstalling the shifter boot ring on the console, note that the forward screw is shorter than the other three. A long screw in there may contact the gearbox remote shifter housing. Bob On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:18:26 -0500 "Dave Willner" writes: > I'm thinking of replacing my switches this winter, as well as adding > a fog light switch in the console to the left of the hazard switch. I'm > going to try and replace the hazard, the lights, the fan, and the map light > switches. > On a scale of 1-10 what's the level of complexity, any "been there > done that," or good advice or tips is appreciated. Thanks... > > Dave Willner > Stroudsburg, PA > 59 TR3A Apple Green > 70 MGB BRG > 70 BSA 441 Victor Special _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 3 09:23:43 2008 From: "Michael Singleton" To: , Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:27:04 -0800 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Count the errors in this listing Actually, I asked a friend of mine who lives in Seattle about the lister. His reply: "Yes I know of them personally. A reputable outfit, I purchased my very first Jaguar from them in 1996. The cars in their showroom were nice cars, no junk, all with verifiable history. It's a pretty much one-man show with some others, mechanics, part-time sales, bookeeper, etc. but the owner is hands-on. Maintains a very nice storefront in the expensive part of downtown Seattle." Giving everyone the benefit of doubt, let's assume that the number of cylinders is a mis-print. Michael Singleton Sportscars Ltd 10170 Croydon Way Suite M Sacramento, CA 95826 Mike@sportscarslimited.net (916)366-0330 www.sportscarslimited.net -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+mike=sportscarslimited.net@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+mike=sportscarslimited.net@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RampantNM@aol.com Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 5:26 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Count the errors in this listing In a message dated 2/29/2008 4:01:48 PM Mountain Standard Time, elco506@austin.rr.com writes: Musta' been a scam. Gone! Brian Lundgren No, scroll down, says someone did the Buy It Now for $35K..... Regards, Robert B. Houston 74.5 MGBGT 73 MG Midget As he stared at her ample bosom, he daydreamed of the dual Skinners Union carburetors in his vintage MG, highly functional yet pleasingly formed, perched prominently on top of the intake manifold, aching for experienced hands, the small knurled caps of the oil dampeners begging to be inspected and adjusted as described in chapter seven of the Haynes shop manual. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-du ffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) You are subscribed as mike@sportscarslimited.net Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Mar 5 08:28:21 2008 From: rfeibusch1@earthlink.net To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 07:27:47 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Mgs] MGB for sale - NorCal Dear Gang, This came this morning on the arcane car list....... Best, Rick - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - MGB for sale Date: Mar 5, 2008 6:35 AM Hi All, Just in time for Spring: 1974 1/2 MGB. Former Fearless leader car. Lovingly(well, I did cover it) cared for. Former dbl. 500 award winning car. Somewhat upgraded since then. Its still solid( except for spot of rust thru on RH rocker). Fine Corinthien Pleather. New, high-torque starter, gas strut for trunk lid, new rear brakes. Original, even has a functioning air-pump(though no smog test is needed in Calif.) BSB paint. It really needs a paint job,now! (see how to do a $50 paint job on web) I can dig up a tonneau. It has top bows. Its registered and you can drive it home and restore this ugly duckling. Call me with offers and trades(no I won't trade up-straight across or nothing-doesn't have to be a car!). Dale Ice 707-882-2082 __._,_.___ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Mar 5 15:46:01 2008 From: "Brian Lundgren" To: "'MG LIST'" Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 16:45:36 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] MG Experience Anybody having withdrawals??? lol Brian Lundgren _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Mar 5 16:33:31 2008 From: Carl French To: Brian Lundgren , 'MG LIST' Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:32:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Experience We are all coping the best we can (running short on OSH) :-( Back online tomorrow hopefully Brian Lundgren wrote: Anybody having withdrawals??? lol Brian Lundgren You are subscribed as leylandauto@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Mar 6 09:18:05 2008 From: Matt Trebelhorn To: MG List Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 11:16:18 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGB exhaust systems I see that Moss has a new MGB exhaust system on their website: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx? PlateIndexID=65625&SortOrder=1 Looks nice -- bolt-up flanges, smooth-looking bends (though the header is oddly angular), and I like the hanger set-up. Plus, you know, it's shiny, and I'm not immune to that. I notice that it's not a long center branch style header, but a 3-1 collector. Here's where the theory comes in. My understanding was that 3-1 collectors were only advantageous for high-rpm operation, and that the LCB was better for low-end torque. So, what's this exhaust about? It's obviously being marketed to a general audience; is it an all-things-to-all people compromise? Is it just a shiny bit that fits around the supercharger? Pipe diameters? Comparison to the Peco system? Dyno results? Anybody have more info on this system? Also, a non-related issue; I posted two responses to topics on the list in recent weeks -- a followup to a topic that I originally posted, and a post about the spacers under the seat rails. Neither post showed up on the list -- I used the same e-mail address I used to post my original message (and this message); I just clicked "reply all" and started typing. I seem to recall that working in the past... Thanks, Matt _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Mar 6 10:00:52 2008 From: To: , Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:04:19 GMT Subject: [Mgs] Reply all It works, but when I use that button a response goes out to both the list and the original sender of the message. When someone replies to my question or comment that way I get two copies - one directly and one through the list - when only one was necessary. I suppose it can be useful to bypass the list distribution if the member receiving the reply is getting messages by the digest method, and really needs to get the answer fast. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Mar 6 12:18:06 2008 From: "Oliver" To: Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:56:48 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] very ot - funeral music first - my apologies - i know this can be a sensitive topic - i lost my own father last October - again my apologies i don't want to offend anyone a recent choice for a funeral at our church was "stayin alive" by the bee gees _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Mar 8 06:25:26 2008 From: "Dave Willner" To: Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 08:24:58 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Console removal / switch question Couple questions before I get started, Haynes seems to be of little help.....I need to remove the radio console to put some new replacement switches I just picked up. Are there just the 4 screws on the sides that attach this, or are there others? And also my original switches have the spring wire clips to secure them in place, do I use those wire clips to secure the new switches (from Moss) or do they use the newer rectangular plastic clips now? Thanks Dave Willner Stroudsburg, PA 59 TR3A Apple Green 70 MGB BRG 70 BSA 441 Victor Special _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 10 02:31:28 2008 From: Barney Gaylord To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:31:41 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Attitude Adjustment - body sills It is time to celebrate a major milestone. The MGA with an Attitude now has all inner body sheet metal replacement finished, and it is time to lift off the body for under-body painting. This project has so far spawned 22 new web pages for documentation of the body sill replacement, including a few innovative techniques. Among other things, I have produced about $900 worth of replacement panels from about $20 (wholesale cost) worth of sheet metal flat stock formed by hand, and it wasn't particularly difficult. See here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/restore/restore.htm#sills Page 22 has a nifty before and after picture pair. Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 10 03:54:33 2008 From: "Gosling, Richard" To: "Dan DiBiase" , "Paul Root" , Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:55:52 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Webasto at work Went to the Geneva motor show on Saturday (at the end of a skiing holiday in Switzerland) and took a look at this car. The roof looks good - much lighter weight than the clunky metal folding soft-tops offered by Mercedes et al. The salesman on the Webasto stand wasn't as friendly as you would expect though... Richard & Sammy ________________________________________________________________________ This message (including any attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. 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Odd link. Nothing works right these days. See here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/restore/restore.htm#sills Page 22 has a nifty before and after picture pair. Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 10 05:10:41 2008 From: Dan DiBiase To: Barney Gaylord , mgs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 04:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Attitude Adjustment - body sills Great documentation as always, Barney... But I am curious, what are you driving while the MGA is laid up?! ;-) Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - What's that smoke? '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, still is.... '04 Audi A4 1.8T q MT-6NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html ----- Original Message ---- From: Barney Gaylord To: mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 6:51:56 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Attitude Adjustment - body sills At 03:31 AM 3/10/2008 -0500, Barney Gaylord wrote: Duh? Odd link. Nothing works right these days. See here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/restore/restore.htm#sills Page 22 has a nifty before and after picture pair. Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 10 05:21:36 2008 From: Barney Gaylord To: Dan DiBiase ,mgs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 06:22:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Attitude Adjustment - body sills At 04:11 AM 3/10/2008 -0700, Dan DiBiase wrote: >... But I am curious, what are you driving while the MGA is laid up?! ;-) I'm driving my "new" car, a 1987 RX7 with nearly 200,000 miles. Very little resale value and not nearly as much fun as the MGA, but good for gofer duty. Barney _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 10 07:23:18 2008 From: Paul Root To: Barney Gaylord Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:23:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Attitude Adjustment - body sills Cool stuff Barney. Makes me which I had an 'A. On Mar 10, 2008, at 3:31 AM, Barney Gaylord wrote: > It is time to celebrate a major milestone. The MGA with an Attitude > now has all inner body sheet metal replacement finished, and it is > time to lift off the body for under-body painting. This project has > so far spawned 22 new web pages for documentation of the body sill > replacement, including a few innovative techniques. Among other > things, I have produced about $900 worth of replacement panels from > about $20 (wholesale cost) worth of sheet metal flat stock formed by > hand, and it wasn't particularly difficult. See here: > >http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/restore/restore.htm#sills > Page 22 has a nifty before and after picture pair. > > Barney Gaylord > 1958 MGA with an attitude > http://MGAguru.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ptrmgb@gmail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 10 11:04:14 2008 From: Paul Root To: MGs List Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:04:38 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] OT Australia Eight hours day Hey Eric, What's Eight Hours day? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 10 13:05:34 2008 From: "riverside" To: "MG autox" Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:04:55 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] twin cam anybody know a competent MGA TwinCam engine builder? art d _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 10 19:00:03 2008 From: Eric Erickson To: MGs List Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:30:34 +1030 Subject: Re: [Mgs] OT Australia Eight hours day On 11/03/2008, at 3:34 AM, Paul Root wrote: > Hey Eric, > What's Eight Hours day? > A HOLIDAY! :-) Most places call it Labour Day. I think only Tasmania calls it "8 Hour Day" - as it was the celebration of achieving a 40 hour working week. Of course with all of our new technology and labour saving devices we all work 60+ hour weeks so it seems a bit strange but I guess the usual working week is recognised as 35 hours .... there must be SOMEONE working just 35 hours a week out there? Eric PS I fly out to Victoria for the Melbourne F1 GP in half an hour (and it looks like being a HOT one). _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 10 19:13:48 2008 From: Rick Lindsay To: Eric Erickson , MGs List Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] OT Australia Eight hours day Hello Eric, et al., My mate Eric wrote: > PS I fly out to Victoria for the Melbourne F1 GP > in half an hour (and it looks like being a HOT > one). Damn Eric. I sure wish I was there with you again this year. I'm giving the marshal work a break this year - save perhaps setting a rallye this spring - then planning to come back to Melbourne next year. I was offered a trackie position at the Canadian GP but turned it down. I'm still pretty bummed out about the failed US F1 GP. As for being hot, I had a really terrible episode at the US race last summer. Air temp was about 95 degrees F and the track temp was about 20 degrees over that. In the pits we stand all day on the tarmac, not the comfee corner posts of OZ. :-P I got dehydrated this past year and all-but collapsed. I ended up setting out much of race day. Fortunately, I was working the pit-in flag station on COMS and flags. Thought you'd like that. So if you have a computer with you, let me know the corner designation you're working this year. I am SOOOO jealous. regards, rick _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 10 19:29:02 2008 From: Eric Erickson To: Rick Lindsay , MGs List Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:59:31 +1030 Subject: Re: [Mgs] OT Australia Eight hours day On 11/03/2008, at 11:44 AM, Rick Lindsay wrote: > > > As for being hot, I had a really terrible episode at > the US race last summer. Air temp was about 95 > degrees F and the track temp was about 20 degrees over > that. In the pits we stand all day on the tarmac, not > the comfee corner posts of OZ. :-P I got dehydrated > this past year and all-but collapsed. I ended up > setting out much of race day. Fortunately, I was > working the pit-in flag station on COMS and flags. > Thought you'd like that. > > So if you have a computer with you, let me know the > corner designation you're working this year. I am > SOOOO jealous. > Still another 30 minutes until my cab comes to whisk me away to the airport! Rick and all who might be interested. Yes, I have done the HOT thing (one weekend in 100F+ temperatures at a V8 Supercar race then wet and cold the following weekend at the F1 GP). The weather is predicted to be 90F+ all week in Victoria so we will be taking in plenty of water beside the track. Luckily I don't have to wear a race suit this weekend like I did the other weekend in my very hot little MG at the track. Where am I? Well hopefully at a slightly less dramatic position than last week where we lost a potential future champion V8 Supercar driver. I will be at TURN 10 if you can spot it on a map. A sweeping left hander (immediately after a hard braking TURN 9 where they get down to 40mph). No I gotta get dressed to go. I will drink a water at the track for you, Rick... and more than a few beers at the pub afterwards :-) Eric _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 10 19:34:39 2008 From: "Larry Daniels" To: "Rick Lindsay" , "Eric Erickson" Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:34:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] OT Australia Eight hours day ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Lindsay" As for being hot, I had a really terrible episode at the US race last summer. Air temp was about 95 degrees F and the track temp was about 20 degrees over that. In the pits we stand all day on the tarmac, not the comfee corner posts of OZ. :-P I got dehydrated this past year and all-but collapsed. I ended up setting out much of race day. Fortunately, I was working the pit-in flag station on COMS and flags. Thought you'd like that. ================== Ah, Rick, that brought back some memories. I had a race back in the early 90's where the track temp was 135 F; I don't recall the air temp. I was driving a formula style car which is like sliding into a cigar tube. The car was black and the firesuit is like wearing a snowmobile suit -- hot as hell. I remember the last lap as being a question of wondering if I could last without passing out. Scared the heck out of me. I guess I didn't consider that the workers were experiencing nearly the same conditions. I just recall pulling into pit lane after the checker, getting pulled out of the car and being so thankful that a worker poured cold water down my suit. I couldn't take the checkered flag for the victory lap and my mechanic had to drive the car back to the paddock. Can you believe that every once in a while I miss that? Larry Daniels _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 10 19:47:21 2008 From: Rick Lindsay To: Larry Daniels , Eric Erickson Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] OT Australia Eight hours day LOL Larry. Yey, every year I ask myself, "What the hell am I doing here? I'm a 57 year old man!" Then the first car fires up and all my questions are answered. rick --- Larry Daniels wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Lindsay" > > As for being hot, I had a really terrible episode at > the US race last summer. Air temp was about 95 > degrees F and the track temp was about 20 degrees > over > that. In the pits we stand all day on the tarmac, > not > the comfee corner posts of OZ. :-P I got dehydrated > this past year and all-but collapsed. I ended up > setting out much of race day. Fortunately, I was > working the pit-in flag station on COMS and flags. > Thought you'd like that. > > ================== > > Ah, Rick, that brought back some memories. > > I had a race back in the early 90's where the track > temp was 135 F; I don't > recall the air temp. I was driving a formula style > car which is like > sliding into a cigar tube. The car was black and > the firesuit is like > wearing a snowmobile suit -- hot as hell. I > remember the last lap as being > a question of wondering if I could last without > passing out. Scared the > heck out of me. > > I guess I didn't consider that the workers were > experiencing nearly the same > conditions. I just recall pulling into pit lane > after the checker, getting > pulled out of the car and being so thankful that a > worker poured cold water > down my suit. I couldn't take the checkered flag > for the victory lap and my > mechanic had to drive the car back to the paddock. > > Can you believe that every once in a while I miss > that? > > Larry Daniels _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 10 21:22:04 2008 From: Eric Erickson To: MGs List Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:48:17 +1030 Subject: Re: [Mgs] OT Australia Eight hours day On 11/03/2008, at 12:04 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: > > > I had a race back in the early 90's where the track temp was 135 F; > I don't > recall the air temp. I was driving a formula style car which is like > sliding into a cigar tube. The car was black and the firesuit is like > wearing a snowmobile suit -- hot as hell. I remember the last lap > as being > a question of wondering if I could last without passing out. > Scared the > heck out of me. > The track temperatures were over 100F for our last race (the weekend before last) and I was wondering which would expire first, my car (with its freshly re-built engine running hot) or me. Running with no roof, black race-suit and black helmet. With the last third of a lap to go she let go a whole lot of coolant which overflowed the expansion tank. The expansion tank is just behind the grill and that meant the wind caught the overflowing coolant and blew it up along the bonnet. Scare heck out of me to suddenly have the passenger side of the windscreen covered in coolant. The car survived and so did I. No to properly tune the new engine and do something serious to the cooling system. Hopefully that will be the last really hot day at the track for a while. And now you know why we race in Winter! Eric PS I love my ISP for giving us free wireless Internet access at the airport (oh yeah, and for sponsoring my car)! Now, when do we board... I am getting impatient. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Mar 11 13:46:01 2008 From: "Pat Harris - \"sammler\"" To: MG mailing list - autox Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:43:26 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Floor lift advice I'm looking for a 2 post floor lift to accommodate my MGA as well as up to a Ford F250. Has anyone had experience with lifts from Target Lifts International - located in Texas? It appears that they are one of the few companies who actually make lifts in the US and although they are somewhat more expensive than those from China, etc., I at least want to consider their product. Thanks, Pat _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Mar 11 14:09:36 2008 From: "Dodd, Kelvin" To: "Pat Harris - \"sammler\"" , "MG mailing list Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:10:54 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Floor lift advice Pat: Bendpak is located just down the road from me in sunny Southern California. Check out: http://www.bendpak.com/ I can't guarantee it anymore, but I bought my lift from them about 3 years ago and it was made in their California facility. I got the 10,000lb model XP Narrow Clearfloor design. http://www.bendpak.com/cart_product_detail.php?prod_id=212&cat_id=46 It ran $2700 delivered and installed (no electrical). The LA market is very competitive, so pricing was really good. I use it almost on a daily basis and have been extremely happy with it. The narrow (rather than wide) design allows it to work perfectly with my MGBs. The clearfloor design makes it easy to push dead cars into position. It works just fine for my Dodge Ram 2500 regular cab pickup. The only problem being that the doors are a bit hard to get in and out of. That was something I was willing to put up with to keep the floor footprint smaller and the arm location better for lil' cars. If you are going to be working on full size cars a lot, then I'd suggest going with the wider design. Right now my MGA frame is sitting on the lift while I'm stripping it down and starting rust repair and I'm parking my MGB under it. Kelvin Dodd > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Pat Harris - "sammler" > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 1:43 PM > To: MG mailing list - autox > Subject: [Mgs] Floor lift advice > > I'm looking for a 2 post floor lift to accommodate my MGA as > well as up to a Ford F250. Has anyone had experience with > lifts from Target Lifts International - > located in Texas? It appears that they are one of the few > companies who actually make lifts in the US and although they > are somewhat more expensive than those from China, etc., I at > least want to consider their product. > > Thanks, > Pat _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Mar 11 14:31:45 2008 From: "Don Scott" To: , Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:32:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] off topic -- Original Morgan book Being an eternal optimist, I will buy the book in hopes that I can get that kind of discount on a Morgan car. >>> Bob Howard 03/11/08 12:51 PM >>> The title Original Morgan 4/4, Plus 4, Plus 8, is on sale for $3.95, remaindered from $24.95. It's a great deal for those interested in Morgans. At Edward Hamilton Booksellers. Hamilton charges $3.50 per order, regardless of the number of books ordered. John Gunnel's Standard Catalogue of Jaguar, and other titles too, are in the current listing. His Standard Guide to British Sportscars is $5.95. No financial interest, etc etc. Bob You are subscribed as dscott1@sonoma-county.org Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Mar 11 15:07:19 2008 From: "J R Overcash" To: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:07:48 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Selling my MG It is at the point in life when I must face the fact that I may never have the cash to put my mg back on the road. It needs quite a bit of TLC, to say the least. Before it wastes away to nothing I am hoping that someone will purchase it along with the hard top extra trany ,carbs and assorted other bits and bobs that I have stockpiled. What I am looking for is some assistance in pricing the car and the assorted stuff I have. I f anyone is willing to help me out I will take some pictures this weekend and send them off to you. Of course if you happen to live in North Central Mass you can stop by. Thanks in advance Ross _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Mar 11 16:14:40 2008 From: "Robin Camblin" To: "'Pat Harris - \"sammler\"'" , "'MG mailing Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:19:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Floor lift advice I purchased a BendPak model a few years ago and just can't live without it now. Around 27-28 hundred install. I looked around and got a few estimates from professional sources and it was the best priced and configuration. Give them a shot. Rob Camblin 51 MGTD 57 MGA CP 60 MGA 67 MGBGT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Mar 11 21:06:55 2008 From: "riverside" To: "Pat Harris - \"sammler\"" , "MG mailing list Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:42:57 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Floor lift advice What's to consider? They are made in the USA. Ron. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Harris - "sammler"" To: "MG mailing list - autox" Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:43 PM Subject: [Mgs] Floor lift advice > I'm looking for a 2 post floor lift to accommodate my MGA as well as up > to a Ford F250. Has anyone had experience with lifts from Target Lifts > International - located in Texas? It appears that > they are one of the few companies who actually make lifts in the US and > although they are somewhat more expensive than those from China, etc., I > at least want to consider their product. > > Thanks, > Pat > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as riverside@cedar-rapids.net > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1324 - Release Date: 3/10/2008 > 7:27 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Mar 12 05:51:01 2008 From: Dan DiBiase To: jrovercash@verizon.net, mgs@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 04:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Selling my MG Ross, why not put the pics on a website and we can all chime in? ;-) Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - What's that smoke? '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, still is.... '04 Audi A4 1.8T q MT-6NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html ----- Original Message ---- From: J R Overcash To: mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 5:07:48 PM Subject: [Mgs] Selling my MG It is at the point in life when I must face the fact that I may never have the cash to put my mg back on the road. It needs quite a bit of TLC, to say the least. Before it wastes away to nothing I am hoping that someone will purchase it along with the hard top extra trany ,carbs and assorted other bits and bobs that I have stockpiled. What I am looking for is some assistance in pricing the car and the assorted stuff I have. I f anyone is willing to help me out I will take some pictures this weekend and send them off to you. Of course if you happen to live in North Central Mass you can stop by. Thanks in advance Ross You are subscribed as d_dibiase@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Mar 12 14:21:50 2008 From: Howard gentry To: jrovercash@verizon.net, mgs@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Selling my MG J R, I too have my 1976 MG-B for sale..I too have the hard top, the O/D tranny, the Weber dgv 32-36 carb and the Moss Alloy cylinder head installed. I choose to sell my B and extras, plus a 1974 B-GT and spares for $500.00. I live 50 miles north of Charleston, Wv. Please reply to zymmer4@yahoo.com. yours, Howard --- J R Overcash wrote: > It is at the point in life when I must face the fact > that I may never have > the cash to put my mg back on the road. It needs > quite a bit of TLC, to say > the least. Before it wastes away to nothing I am > hoping that someone will > purchase it along with the hard top extra trany > ,carbs and assorted other > bits and bobs that I have stockpiled. > > > > What I am looking for is some assistance in pricing > the car and the assorted > stuff I have. I f anyone is willing to help me out > I will take some > pictures this weekend and send them off to you. Of > course if you happen to > live in North Central Mass you can stop by. > > Thanks in advance > > > > Ross > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as zymmer4@yahoo.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive > The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Mar 12 15:31:46 2008 From: Ron Engelhardt To: mgs Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:32:20 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] MBG (mostly) parts for sale I just got a call from a guy in Vacaville, CA (east of the SF Bay Area) with a shop full of MBG parts including whole engines/transmissions (also an MGA MkII engine/trans) he has to get rid of . His shop is being torn down in 2 months due to a road widening project I have no other details so contact him directly if interested. Jim Moore Moore's Service Vacaville. Ca. 707 453-1230 He's apparently not too computer literate. He HAS to get rid of the stuff and sounds desperate so some bargains may be available. Ron 58 MGA www.nobbc.com North Bay British Carclub _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Mar 14 06:27:37 2008 From: Paul Root To: MGs List Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:27:04 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] spring hit the Twin Cities Yesterday as I was leaving work to head to Xcel Energy to work the Wild game, what do I see heading down Hennepin? A White RB RHD Midget. I gotta get my heater put back together and installed. Another month, and I'll be wanting to be driving! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Mar 16 11:51:47 2008 From: Matthew Milkevitch To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] 123 ignition Fellow Listers; Does anyone have any first hand experience with the distributors produced by 123 ignition?(http://www.123ignition.nl/) Evidently these are fully electronic distributors with 16 user selectable advance curves. I have seen them sold on Ebay and I was wondering if anyone has "taken the plunge." Thanks... Matt Milkevitch '74 MGB-GT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Mar 16 18:32:47 2008 From: "Norm 2Bs" To: "MG Digest" Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:33:16 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] 123 ignition Matt: No personal experience. But, a number of people on the Alfa 750-101 Digest have reported being pleased with them. Shortcoming I found was few U.S. dealers. See: http://www.123ignition.nl/ Norm '59 Turner '60 Alfa _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Mar 16 20:18:47 2008 From: Donald Laub To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:19:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 123 ignition Hi Matt, I have installed a 123/GB-4-R-V distributor on my supercharged 1969 MGB roadster. After I installed the Moss supercharger kit and a Sean Brown flowspeed head, the advance curve on the original distributor, as well as the Moss #143-110 I swapped in, didn't give good performance. I tried the 123/GB, as opposed to the 123/MG, as the the former has 16 arbitrary curves, whereas the latter has reproduced the original curves of various MG models. After some trial and error, I've settled on "curve 7," with a maximum advance of 300 at 4500 rpm, but a very steep initial curve with 220 advance at 2000 rpm. This isn't perfect, as I can't get my idle below 1100 rpm, but it really zips from a standing start! Don Laub Burlington VT supercharged 1969 MGB On Mar 16, 2008, at 3:00 PM, Matt Milkevitch wrote: > Does anyone have any first hand experience with the distributors > produced by 123 ignition?(http://www.123ignition.nl/) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 17 03:39:18 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Matthew Milkevitch" , Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:33:22 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 123 ignition Not personally. I think they are very expensive for a set of curves which are irrelevant with today's fuels, so much so that one vendor recommends for the MGB the 'general' 123 rather than that specifically designed for the MGB. I think that says it all. I'd rather get a good mechanical rebuild. If I wanted electronics (which i don't) I'd fit an electronic trigger to that, and carry points and condenser as a spare. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Does anyone have any first hand experience with the distributors produced > by 123 ignition?(http://www.123ignition.nl/) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 17 17:36:21 2008 From: "Dave Willner" To: Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:35:41 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Driving lamps on a 70 MGB I'd like to put a set of driving lights on the MG, but kinda curious as to what shape and style of light people think would be more correct. I tend to believe that maybe the Lucas Square 8s are more correct for 70 and on as opposed to the larger 7" round Lucas 700s. Any thoughts or ideas or pictures would be appreciated? I know it comes down to personal preference...Thanks Dave Willner Stroudsburg, PA 59 TR3A Apple Green 70 MGB BRG 70 BSA 441 Victor Special _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 17 17:56:22 2008 From: "Dodd, Kelvin" To: "Dave Willner" , Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:58:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Driving lamps on a 70 MGB Dave: If you are looking for authentic, 1970 was right at a cusp between the Lucas Ranger series of 5" sealed beam driving lights and the halogen Square 8s. Other suppliers such as S.E.V. Marchal and Cibie had high quality halogen lamps available at that time too. Personally I think a pair of the black rubber cover Lucas Square 8s look great below the bumper of the 1970. If you plan on mounting above the bumper, I prefer the look of round lamps. I've got a pair of Cibie Bio-Oscar+s' that I'm planning on sticking on my 1970 MGB sometime. They are a bit later period, but still very 70s. Kelvin > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Dave Willner > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 4:36 PM > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mgs] Driving lamps on a 70 MGB > > I'd like to put a set of driving lights on the MG, but kinda > curious as to what shape and style of light people think > would be more correct. I tend to believe that maybe the Lucas > Square 8s are more correct for 70 and on as opposed to the > larger 7" round Lucas 700s. Any thoughts or ideas or > pictures would be appreciated? I know it comes down to > personal preference...Thanks > > Dave Willner > Stroudsburg, PA > 59 TR3A Apple Green > 70 MGB BRG > 70 BSA 441 Victor Special _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 17 18:04:25 2008 From: Max Heim To: MG List Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:57:51 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Driving lamps on a 70 MGB Just promise not to wire them up with the headlights so they are on all the time, like all the fools in the "crossover" SUVs... Sorry, pet peeve. Yeah, I can see square on a 70 or up. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 3/17/08 4:35 PM, Dave Willner at dwillner@ptd.net wrote: > I'd like to put a set of driving lights on the MG, but kinda curious as to > what shape and style of light people think would be more correct. I tend to > believe that maybe the Lucas Square 8s are more correct for 70 and on as > opposed to the larger 7" round Lucas 700s. Any thoughts or ideas or pictures > would be appreciated? I know it comes down to personal preference...Thanks > > Dave Willner > Stroudsburg, PA > 59 TR3A Apple Green > 70 MGB BRG > 70 BSA 441 Victor Special _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 17 18:41:56 2008 From: "Eric Markley" To: Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:42:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Driving lamps on a 70 MGB I'll chip in my 2 cents, My parents gave me a set of Cibie' 35 diving lights for Christmas in 1973. They never made it on to my '68 Sprite that I had at the time but I did put them on my '65 Mustang convertible (289, 2v, power top) that I bought in '75. Those lights would darn near melt paint on car in front of you and projected the light a tremendous distance. They are similar in size and shape to the Lucas Square 8. Many, I suspect, might not want to put a French light on a British automobile. I located a company called Aardvark International that carries Cibie' lights and parts. NFI, etc. One day I will get the old lights working again. Yes, I still have them. Thanks for the memory trigger, Eric in Florida -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+ericemarkley=bellsouth.net@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+ericemarkley=bellsouth.net@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dave Willner Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 7:36 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Driving lamps on a 70 MGB I'd like to put a set of driving lights on the MG, but kinda curious as to what shape and style of light people think would be more correct. I tend to believe that maybe the Lucas Square 8s are more correct for 70 and on as opposed to the larger 7" round Lucas 700s. Any thoughts or ideas or pictures would be appreciated? I know it comes down to personal preference...Thanks Dave Willner Stroudsburg, PA 59 TR3A Apple Green 70 MGB BRG 70 BSA 441 Victor Special You are subscribed as ericemarkley@bellsouth.net Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1332 - Release Date: 3/17/2008 10:48 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 17 19:47:19 2008 From: "Norm 2Bs" To: "Vintage Racing Digest" , "Spridgets Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:47:48 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] 1-1/2" SU Air Horns Wanted I have 2 pairs (2" & 1/2" long) of air horns for 1-3/4" SUs that I would like to swap for 2"-long horns for 1-1/2" SUs. I.d. of throat on those for 1-1/2" SUs that I am seeking is 1.37" Horn opening is 3.5" o.d. I'm looking for "full radius" opening on the horns as shown on TWM's "Dimension Guide" page (see: http://www.twminduction.com/AirHorn/AirHorn-FR.html ) Pair #1) 1-3/4" throat dimension is 1.62" i.d. at the base. Opening is 3.5" o.d. on 2" long ones. Pair #2) Shorty type are for use inside air filters. Also 1.62" i.d. Just 1/2" tall but made of solid aluminum with nicely rounded lip. All are in really good condition. Some scratches, no dents. Photos available. Please contact me off-list if you have any to trade or sell, or if you want to buy either pair of mine. Preference given to traders. Norm Sippel '59 Turner '60 Alfa _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Mar 18 00:27:35 2008 From: cyberemp@comcast.net To: mgs@autox.team.net (MG LIST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:28:05 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] Project 74.5, valve guide options Greetings 0 list. Head for 74.5 needs guides. Machinist is offering to put bronze sleeves into existing cast iron guides,(after reaming current guides, of course) but I'm curious to know if anyone has any experience with this technique. Back when I rebuilt the engine on my first car, (1967 Cortina GT) the shop "gnurled" the guides. Of course they also rebuilt the short block which threw a con rod through the side of the block within a year. Ouch. warantee not much good when your speedometer doesn't work. At least that's what they claimed. But wait, I'm yammering bitterly. Blame the pain meds I'm on. $ is a factor, as I'm still on disability, but even though I'm selling the car, partly to fund next project. I just feel that if your going to do a job, do it right. machinist is checking valves to see if they're okay. My second option is looking at Northwest pacific parts flyer I got in mail, (sorry Ed ;-) package deal for valves, guides and springs. (can't find flyer right now) I'll send them an email asking what kind of guides. Cast iron or bronze, and the valve material. Total package was around $108 if I remember right. That might hint at what kind of materials are used. Apparently valves can be stainless steel, stellite treated and who knows what else. guides can be cast iron, bronze, possibly others. I just visited Barneys site. Got some good ideas there.Thanks Barney! Any one have experience with the bronze guide inserts? this would save cost of buying and r/r of guides. Eric 46 MGTC 59 MGA 70 MGB 71 MGB 74.5 MGB 00 Nissan X-Terra So many cars, so little parking _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Mar 18 04:48:41 2008 From: "Brits'n'Pieces \(Eric Frenken\)" To: "'Paul Hunt'" , "'Matthew Milkevitch'" Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:48:35 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 123 ignition Hello Paul, me, as the vendor or one of the vendors who recommend the 'general' 123ignition for the MG models, cannot follow your arguments. Could you please explain why the set of curves delivered with the 123ignition is irrelevant with today's fuels and what makes your mechanical rebuilt distributor suitable for these fuels? Maybe I haven't got your point but what are the advantages of a mechanical distributor over the electronic type? Best regards Eric Frenken http://brits-n-pieces.com Not personally. I think they are very expensive for a set of curves which are irrelevant with today's fuels, so much so that one vendor recommends for the MGB the 'general' 123 rather than that specifically designed for the MGB. I think that says it all. I'd rather get a good mechanical rebuild. If I wanted electronics (which i don't) I'd fit an electronic trigger to that, and carry points and condenser as a spare. PaulH. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Mar 18 07:32:22 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: , "'Matthew Milkevitch'" Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:17:51 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 123 ignition The original mechanical curves are no different to the 123 MGB curves i.e. they are both irrelevant with today's fuels. The difference is the 123 is a lot more expensive than a decent mechanical rebuild - what I can get in the UK at any rate. The advantage of mechanical over 123 is that with the mechanical if you really wanted to you could tune the curve to match your engine and fuel. With the 123 you are limited to going through 16 arbitrary (if you use the non-MGB version) curves to determine which is best for you. Whilst some are bound to be better than others one is unlikely to end up with an ideal one. My caution with any electronics, be it the full 123 or just an electronic trigger, is that when they fail they usually do so totally and without warning, and you have no option but to substitute. With points they usually drift rather than fail, are pence to carry around as a spare, and can be swapped easily at the roadside. Many moan about problems with points, but I've been using them for 40 years and never had a failure of them or a condenser. I am planning to change both my roadster and V8 points this year, after many years and some 15k miles each. I've not had to touch the roadster points in all that time, and the V8 have only needed one small tweak to get the dwell back into the window, as they only have plus or minus one degree tolerance whereas the roadster is plus or minus five degrees. I realise I am unlikely to convert anyone who has gone electronic of any type. But those contemplating going electronic could do well to consider that whilst replacing a knackered mechanical item with a new electronic *is* likely to make a noticeable difference, so would replacing it with a sound mechanical unit, and usually at a fraction of the cost. My 2 penn'orth, and you did ask :o) PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >... Could you > please explain why the set of curves delivered with the 123ignition is > irrelevant with today's fuels and what makes your mechanical rebuilt > distributor suitable for these fuels? > > Maybe I haven't got your point but what are the advantages of a mechanical > distributor over the electronic type? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Mar 18 11:59:25 2008 From: Max Heim To: MG List Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:49:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Project 74.5, valve guide options In the past, I have had machinists explain this choice as follows: Knurling is a temporary solution to keep the car on the road at minimal expense. It will more or less rapidly wear and resume doing whatever it was doing before (leaking oil through the guides, etc.). One way to describe the process is that it deforms the iron around the hole to reduce the clearances. Bronze guides are a more permanent fix. This involves inserting a new guide with the proper tolerance. Bronze, like cast iron, is softer than the valve stem material. Bronze also has some self-lubricating properties, I believe. I have had both done at various times on various vehicles. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 3/17/08 11:28 PM, cyberemp@comcast.net at cyberemp@comcast.net wrote: > Greetings 0 list. > Head for 74.5 needs guides. Machinist is offering to put bronze sleeves into > existing cast iron guides,(after reaming current guides, of course) but I'm > curious to know if anyone has any experience with this technique. > > Back when I rebuilt the engine on my first car, (1967 Cortina GT) the shop > "gnurled" the guides. > Of course they also rebuilt the short block which threw a con rod through > the side of the block within a year. Ouch. > warantee not much good when your speedometer doesn't work. At least that's > what > they claimed. > But wait, I'm yammering bitterly. Blame the pain meds I'm on. > > $ is a factor, as I'm still on disability, but even though I'm selling the > car, > partly to fund next project. > I just feel that if your going to do a job, do it right. > > machinist is checking valves to see if they're okay. > > My second option is looking at Northwest pacific parts flyer I got in mail, > (sorry Ed ;-) package deal for valves, guides and springs. (can't find flyer > right now) I'll send them an email asking what kind of guides. Cast iron or > bronze, and the valve material. > Total package was around $108 if I remember right. That might hint at what > kind of materials are used. > Apparently valves can be stainless steel, stellite treated and who knows what > else. > guides can be cast iron, bronze, possibly others. > > I just visited Barneys site. Got some good ideas there.Thanks Barney! > Any one have experience with the bronze guide inserts? this would save > cost > of buying and r/r of guides. > Eric > > 46 MGTC > 59 MGA > 70 MGB > 71 MGB > 74.5 MGB > 00 Nissan X-Terra > So many cars, so little parking > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Mar 18 13:51:12 2008 From: Bob Howard To: cyberemp@comcast.net Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:05:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Project 74.5, valve guide options Is it less work to ream the existing iron guides then to press in bronze sleeves compared to pressing out the iron guides and pressing in the bronze guides? I have only done replacements of guides with guides; never tried ( or heard before ) of using guide sleeves. Replacing guides with guides is easy--just press them out, press new in, then ream to ensure the fit. Knurling guides is an inexpensive way to reduce ID of a guide, and it's said to make iron guides retain an oil film better, but I cannot recall anyone mentioning it lately. Generally, one uses bronze guides to move heat from the valves to the head faster than it flows through iron guides. In a standard-spec engine does it matter? MG didn't think so, as they used iron guides in the MGB and MGC engines. How about pressing out the worn iron guides and pressing in new iron guides if cost is a concern? What is the difference in cost between bronze guides and guide inserts? Bob On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:28:05 +0000 cyberemp@comcast.net writes: > Greetings 0 list. > Head for 74.5 needs guides. Machinist is offering to put bronze > sleeves into > existing cast iron guides,(after reaming current guides, of course) > but I'm > curious to know if anyone has any experience with this technique. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Mar 18 15:56:22 2008 From: "Eugene Balinski" To: "Dodd, Kelvin" ,"Dave Willner" Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:56:33 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Driving lamps on a 70 MGB All, Speaking of driving lights, has anyone figured out a way to mount driving lights on a RBB without drilling holes in the RBB? Thanks, Gene 80'B On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:58:07 -0700 "Dodd, Kelvin" wrote: > Dave: If you are looking for authentic, 1970 was right at > a cusp between > the Lucas Ranger series of 5" sealed beam driving lights > and the halogen > Square 8s. Other suppliers such as S.E.V. Marchal and > Cibie had high > quality halogen lamps available at that time too. > > Personally I think a pair of the black rubber cover Lucas > Square 8s look > great below the bumper of the 1970. If you plan on > mounting above the > bumper, I prefer the look of round lamps. I've got a pair > of Cibie > Bio-Oscar+s' that I'm planning on sticking on my 1970 MGB > sometime. They > are a bit later period, but still very 70s. > > > > > > Kelvin > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net > > > [mailto:mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net] > On > > Behalf Of Dave Willner > > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 4:36 PM > > To: mgs@autox.team.net > > Subject: [Mgs] Driving lamps on a 70 MGB > > > > I'd like to put a set of driving lights on the MG, but > kinda > > curious as to what shape and style of light people > think > > would be more correct. I tend to believe that maybe the > Lucas > > Square 8s are more correct for 70 and on as opposed to > the > > larger 7" round Lucas 700s. Any thoughts or ideas or > > pictures would be appreciated? I know it comes down to > > personal preference...Thanks > > > > Dave Willner --------------------------------------------------------------------- Web mail provided by NuNet, Inc. The Premier National provider. http://www.nni.com/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Mar 18 17:08:44 2008 From: "Dodd, Kelvin" To: "Eugene Balinski" , "Dave Willner" Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:10:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Driving lamps on a 70 MGB Gene: You can mount smaller rectangular fog lights below the bumper by attaching a tab to the bottom reinforcement. I guess if you really had to have driving lights the way to do it would be to fabricate brackets that mount to the frame extensions then come forward through the intake holes. Take a look at how the badge bar fits. You could fab up something like it sitting a bit lower for the lamps to fit on. http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=37211&Sort Order=1 You might be able to install light weight driving lamps on the badge bar itself using the new clamps that just came in, but I don't know how stable it would be. This thread got me pottering around in the shop last night offering up a pair of Romanian Cibie Oscar knockoffs up to the front bumper of my 1970 MGB. I figure if the over riders were removed, I could make up a pair of brackets that mount the lamps where they were. I still love the Pro Rally, lots o lamps look. Maybe tonight. Kelvin Dodd > -----Original Message----- > From: Eugene Balinski [mailto:eugeneb@nni.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 2:57 PM > To: Dodd, Kelvin; Dave Willner; mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Driving lamps on a 70 MGB > > All, > > Speaking of driving lights, has anyone figured out a way > to mount driving lights on a RBB without drilling holes in the RBB? > > Thanks, > > Gene 80'B _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Mar 18 18:06:32 2008 From: "Jack Feldman" To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:06:06 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Driving lamps on a 70 MGB (Dave Willner) Dave, Whatever you do don't tap the headlight circuits for current to drive the lights. The best way is to take the current from the battery terminal of the solenoid, go through a fuse, and then to a relay. The relay can be driven by the headlight circuit through a switch. Make sure you tap the high beam lead to the headlights so they will only work with the high beams on. Google the ISO (Bosch) relay to see the terminals. One side of the coil goes to the headlight high beam wire through a switch, the other to ground. The current from the solenoid goes to the common terminal, and the lamps are connected to the normally open terminal. I plan to install both fog and driving lights this summer, and already have the relays, one for fog, and one for driving, already installed. They will be controlled by a single pole double throw switch with the center switch position off. Enjoy! Jack _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Mar 19 03:09:12 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:01:04 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Driving lamps on a 70 MGB (Dave Willner) Whilst it is normal (but not essential) to only enable driving/spot lights when main beam is selected, fog lights need to be enabled when only parking lights are on. If you can't have fog lights on unless either dipped or main beam are on the glare thrown back by the headlights makes the fog lights useless. FWIW you can find schematics for the MGB here http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/wn_electricsframe.htm and click on 'Lighting' and 'Fog and Spot Lights'. Relays and fuses are also essential if you have uprated headlights, see 'Uprated Headlamps' in the same section. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > The relay can be driven by the headlight circuit through a switch. Make > sure > you tap the high beam lead to the headlights so they will only work with > the > high beams on. > > I plan to install both fog and driving lights this summer, and already > have > the relays, one for fog, and one for driving, already installed. They > will > be controlled by a single pole double throw switch with the center switch > position off. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Mar 19 04:09:37 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Eugene Balinski" , Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:54:51 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Driving lamps on a 70 MGB If you go to http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/wn_electricsframe.htm and click on 'Lighting' and 'Fog and Spot Lights' and scroll down a bit you will see how they have been fitted to mine. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Speaking of driving lights, has anyone figured out a way > to mount driving lights on a RBB without drilling holes in > the RBB? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Mar 19 10:21:03 2008 From: "Dodd, Kelvin" To: "Paul Hunt" , Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:22:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Driving lamps on a 70 MGB (Dave Willner) Paul: Welcome to the United States of America where they pass regulation making fog lights useless! DOT requires that the fog lamps can only be activated when the main dip beam is on. Yep, sounds stupid to me too! I guess it doesn't ever get really foggy in Washington DC. Kelvin Dodd > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Paul Hunt > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:01 AM > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Driving lamps on a 70 MGB (Dave Willner) > > Whilst it is normal (but not essential) to only enable > driving/spot lights when main beam is selected, fog lights > need to be enabled when only parking lights are on. If you > can't have fog lights on unless either dipped or main beam > are on the glare thrown back by the headlights makes the fog > lights useless. > > FWIW you can find schematics for the MGB here > http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/wn_electricsframe.htm > and click on 'Lighting' and 'Fog and Spot Lights'. Relays > and fuses are also essential if you have uprated headlights, > see 'Uprated Headlamps' in the same section. > > PaulH. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Mar 19 10:24:36 2008 From: To: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:24:56 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Driving lamps on a 70 MGB (Dave Willner) <> Capitol Hill is on the opposite side of town from Foggy Bottom, Kelvin!! LOL _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Mar 19 10:28:32 2008 From: Max Heim To: MG List Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:27:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Driving lamps on a 70 MGB (Dave Willner) That's probably why they call it "Foggy Bottom"... -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 3/19/08 9:22 AM, Dodd, Kelvin at doddk@mossmotors.com wrote: > I guess it doesn't ever get really foggy in Washington DC. > > Kelvin Dodd _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Mar 19 10:38:19 2008 From: atweditor@aol.com To: shop@justbrits.com, mgs@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:38:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Driving lamps on a 70 MGB (Dave Willner) And "Foggy Bottom," close to the White House and Executive Office Building, was appropriate when DC was a literal swamp, not the morass of conflcting ideologies that it is today. Jay Donoghue -----Original Message----- From: shop@justbrits.com To: mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 1:24 pm Subject: Re: [Mgs] Driving lamps on a 70 MGB (Dave Willner) <> Capitol Hill is on the opposite side of town from Foggy Bottom, Kelvin!! LOL You are subscribed as atweditor@aol.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Mar 19 10:55:23 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Dodd, Kelvin" , Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:42:53 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Driving lamps on a 70 MGB (Dave Willner) I've an idea that used to be the case in the UK some years ago as well. But my 2004 ZS has both front and rear fog lights available with parking lights. Maybe we got 'infected' from you, but then had a sudden rush of common sense :o) PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Welcome to the United States of America where they pass regulation making fog lights useless! DOT requires that the fog lamps can only be activated when the main dip beam is on. Yep, sounds stupid to me too! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Mar 19 11:17:01 2008 From: Dan DiBiase To: "Dodd, Kelvin" , MG List Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Driving lamps on a 70 MGB (Dave Willner) Only in the politician's brains, or what passes for them............... Paul mentioned rear fog lights...... My son was recently pulled over for having a 'too bright brake light'.... The cop was 'nice' enough to 'only' write him up for not using his 4-way flashers when he was pulled over, apparently a lesser 'offense'. Problem is, my son had the rear fog light on in my Audi because it was rainy and snowy! But of course, because the cop wrote him up for something else, equally stupid, I could not fight the ticket. So I had to go the 'string-pulling' route instead to get it dismissed. Cost me a 6-pack. Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - What's that smoke? '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, still is.... '04 Audi A4 1.8T q MT-6NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html ----- Original Message ---- From: "Dodd, Kelvin" To: Paul Hunt ; mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:22:36 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Driving lamps on a 70 MGB (Dave Willner) Paul: Welcome to the United States of America where they pass regulation making fog lights useless! DOT requires that the fog lamps can only be activated when the main dip beam is on. Yep, sounds stupid to me too! I guess it doesn't ever get really foggy in Washington DC. Kelvin Dodd > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Paul Hunt > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:01 AM > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Driving lamps on a 70 MGB (Dave Willner) > > Whilst it is normal (but not essential) to only enable > driving/spot lights when main beam is selected, fog lights > need to be enabled when only parking lights are on. If you > can't have fog lights on unless either dipped or main beam > are on the glare thrown back by the headlights makes the fog > lights useless. > > FWIW you can find schematics for the MGB here > http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/wn_electricsframe.htm > and click on 'Lighting' and 'Fog and Spot Lights'. Relays > and fuses are also essential if you have uprated headlights, > see 'Uprated Headlamps' in the same section. > > PaulH. You are subscribed as d_dibiase@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Mar 19 12:46:23 2008 From: Paul Root To: Paul Hunt Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:46:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Driving lamps on a 70 MGB (Dave Willner) The common sense rash can be "cured" by taking two lobbiest and calling D.C. Or in your case London. On Mar 19, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Paul Hunt wrote: > I've an idea that used to be the case in the UK some years ago as > well. But > my 2004 ZS has both front and rear fog lights available with parking > lights. > > Maybe we got 'infected' from you, but then had a sudden rush of > common sense > :o) > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- > Welcome to the United States of America where they pass regulation > making fog lights useless! > > DOT requires that the fog lamps can only be activated when the main > dip > beam is on. > > Yep, sounds stupid to me too! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Mar 19 21:15:42 2008 From: Milton Olson To: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:12:00 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Bronze valve guide liners When I worked for Sealed Power Corporation one of the product lines I was in charge of was valve guides. We sold a lot of the thin wall bronze valve guide liners to machine shops throughout the country. They do a very good job of repairing worn valve guides if they are installed and finished correctly. The liners that we sold were made by K-Line. I would not be afraid to use them to repair any cylinder head especially one with integral (non-removable) valve guides. If the guides are replaceable such as the guides in my Midget then I would think that replacing the whole guide would be the way to go. Replacement guides are available from many sources and many different materials. Precision Engine Parts in Sun Valley, Calif. may have replacement guides for your application. best to all. 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I think what is happening is that we are finally seeing the result of all the cars being shipped abroad. Over the last twenty years, I have owned eight MGBs, most of a TR3, two TR8s, one Bugeye Sprite, and two MGAs. About 2/3 of them, when I sold them, went to buyers who shipped them to Canada, France, and Germany. I didn't feel great about that, but money is money. I always wondered if we were selling our hobby away, and now it's very apparent with the present economic situation, that foreigners are going to pluck away all our stuff that has value. The US dollar is in the process of extreme decline and old cars here will be such bargains that foreigners will buy 'em all. I still think people in the car hobby in the US need to start a trust to keep 'em here. All it would take is a trust that acts as a lienholder on the title of cars. It would be voluntary on the part of a car owner to place the "lien" on the car, and what it would do is impose a limitation that would keep a subsequent owner of the car from shipping it out. The downside, of course, is that the pool of buyers would be less, and maybe the price somewhat less when selling the car. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Mar 20 08:38:53 2008 From: derek@vandivere.net To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:39:23 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mgs] Suggestions needed - where to go in Scotland? So, I've convinced my fiancee to take the B over to Scotland over the Ascension Day / Queen's Day holiday (arriving in Hull on a Wednesday morning, leaving on a Saturday night)! Hooray! Roads that have bends! Roads that have gradients! Anyone have good suggestions for routes / places / drives in Scotland, or non-obvious stuff to bring along on a four day trip? I'm already pretty familiar with Edinburgh / Stirling. That reminds me - I'd better show Abbie how to use the manual choke *before* the first distillery tour. (: Derek / '78 B / Amsterdam _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Mar 20 08:42:48 2008 From: "Gosling, Richard" To: "Don Scott" , Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:44:17 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] A modest proposal I can see the good intentions in what you're hoping to do, but I'm not optimistic. Speaking for myself, if I was buying a car, I wouldn't buy any car where anyone had any say over what I could and could not do with it, unless it was very rare or incredibly cheap. I'd just go and find another seller who would let me do what I want with my car. Think of the plus side of US cars being exported - buyers in other countries are getting an opportunity to join in our delightful hobby. Since by far the majority of the cars went to the USA in the first place, it's about time they had a chance to join in! Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT in Scotland) ________________________________________________________________________ This message (including any attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. If you have received it by mistake please notify the sender by return E-mail and delete this message from your system. Any unauthorised use or dissemination of this message in whole or in part is strictly prohibited. Please note that E-mails are susceptible to change. 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I would not have my 4 M.G.s or the Austin -Healey or .. You get the idea I trust Best regards Sven Sweden -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: mgs-bounces+bispmotala=hotmail.com@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+bispmotala=hotmail.com@autox.team.net] Fvr Don Scott Skickat: den 20 mars 2008 15:19 Till: mgs@autox.team.net Dmne: [Mgs] A modest proposal In my attempts to find an early B roadster, I wrote to someone in a local British car club, and mentioned that I regreted selling mine. He replied that there were many people looking for MGs and other old British sports cars who also had similar regrets. The following is part of my response to his reply. Anyone have any comments? Is this a silly idea? Is there an organization (car club or clubs?) that could do it? Thanks for taking time to reply to my inquiry. I think what is happening is that we are finally seeing the result of all the cars being shipped abroad. Over the last twenty years, I have owned eight MGBs, most of a TR3, two TR8s, one Bugeye Sprite, and two MGAs. About 2/3 of them, when I sold them, went to buyers who shipped them to Canada, France, and Germany. I didn't feel great about that, but money is money. I always wondered if we were selling our hobby away, and now it's very apparent with the present economic situation, that foreigners are going to pluck away all our stuff that has value. The US dollar is in the process of extreme decline and old cars here will be such bargains that foreigners will buy 'em all. I still think people in the car hobby in the US need to start a trust to keep 'em here. All it would take is a trust that acts as a lienholder on the title of cars. It would be voluntary on the part of a car owner to place the "lien" on the car, and what it would do is impose a limitation that would keep a subsequent owner of the car from shipping it out. The downside, of course, is that the pool of buyers would be less, and maybe the price somewhat less when selling the car. You are subscribed as bispmotala@hotmail.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Mar 20 09:36:50 2008 From: derek@vandivere.net To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:37:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [Mgs] A modest proposal Wait, I'm confused. You want to start a trust to keep the British car heritage in the US? Seems a little odd to me. I don't think that the dollar has a lot to do with classics being shipped - in a lot of cases, the Southwest and Californian environments preserve cars so well that it's typical to see "California car" in ads here in Holland. Derek, glad my pension's in Euros. > Don, > I don't know where you are situated, but I for one am very happy that the > British does not have a scheme as you propose. I would not have my 4 M.G.s > or the Austin -Healey or .. > You get the idea I trust > > Best regards > > Sven Sweden > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fren: mgs-bounces+bispmotala=hotmail.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:mgs-bounces+bispmotala=hotmail.com@autox.team.net] Fvr Don Scott > Skickat: den 20 mars 2008 15:19 > Till: mgs@autox.team.net > Dmne: [Mgs] A modest proposal > > In my attempts to find an early B roadster, I wrote to > someone in a local British car club, and mentioned that I > regreted selling mine. He replied that there were many > people looking for MGs and other old British sports cars who > also had similar regrets. > > The following is part of my response to his reply. Anyone > have any comments? Is this a silly idea? Is there an > organization (car club or clubs?) that could do it? > > > Thanks for taking time to reply to my inquiry. I think > what is happening is > that we are finally seeing the result of all the cars being > shipped abroad. > Over the last twenty years, I have owned eight MGBs, most > of a TR3, two TR8s, > one Bugeye Sprite, and two MGAs. About 2/3 of them, when I > sold them, went to > buyers who shipped them to Canada, France, and Germany. I > didn't feel great > about that, but money is money. I always wondered if we > were selling our hobby > away, and now it's very apparent with the present economic > situation, that > foreigners are going to pluck away all our stuff that has > value. The US dollar > is in the process of extreme decline and old cars here will > be such bargains > that foreigners will buy 'em all. I still think people in > the car hobby in the US need > to start a trust to keep 'em here. All it would take is a > trust that acts as a > lienholder on the title of cars. It would be voluntary on > the part of a car > owner to place the "lien" on the car, and what it would do > is impose a > limitation that would keep a subsequent owner of the car > from shipping it out. > The downside, of course, is that the pool of buyers would > be less, and maybe > the price somewhat less when selling the car. > You are subscribed as bispmotala@hotmail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as derek@vandivere.net > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Mar 20 09:54:34 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: , Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:44:27 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Suggestions needed - where to go in Scotland? The west coast is probably more 'interesting' scenically. Luss at Loch Lomond is a quaint village on the shore, then via Glenco (site of the famous massacre) and Fort William to Kyle of Lochalsh. If you have time there is the Inchree to Corran ferry which takes you to the most westerly point of the UK mainland at Ardnamurchan. From Kyle of Lochalsh over the bridge to Skye, to circle round and come back by the little ferry at Kylerhea to Glenelg. From Kyle of Lochalsh and Lochcarron over Bealach na Baa (pass of the cattle) reputed to be the most spectacular road in Britain, with superb (if the weather is clear!) views of Skye from the top. Depending on how much time you have you could do the great circle to take in Cape Wrath (most north-westerly point), Dunnet Head (most northerly point), and John O' Groats (most north-easterly point), and a relatively dull drive back down to Inverness. If you don't do that circle probably Loch Ness is the most obvious route to Inverness and the battlefield (or is it massacre?) at Culloden. We stayed at Carrbridge just off the A9 at an old chapel and had deer grazing in the gardens at breakfast and dinner. From Carrbridge you are within striking distance of Aviemore, Osprey at Loch Garten, Balmoral and Crathie and the Malt trail, watch out for stags leaping into the roads in front of you!. Heading south you have the old Queens family home at Glamis north of Dundee, then down to Edinburgh over the road bridge to see how far they have got painting the Firth of Forth rail bridge. Heading south towards Hull there is Berwick on Tweed - the only English town to have a football team in the Scottish league - Holy Island and its causeway flooded at high tide, Bamburgh Castle and its fabulous beaches and views of the Farne Islands, Newcastle and its bridges, the transporter bridge (of 'Auf Wiedersehen Pet' fame) at Middlesborough, reputedly the only octagonal (compulsory MG content) lighthouse in Britain at Flamborough Head, and then at least a sight of if not a return trip over the Humber Bridge just outside Hull. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > So, I've convinced my fiancee to take the B over to Scotland over the > Ascension Day / Queen's Day holiday (arriving in Hull on a Wednesday > morning, leaving on a Saturday night)! Hooray! Roads that have bends! > Roads that have gradients! > > Anyone have good suggestions for routes / places / drives in Scotland _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Mar 20 14:26:02 2008 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "Gosling, Richard" , "Don Scott" Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:26:16 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] A modest proposal I just talked about this with some collegues. One, who is an American living in the Netherlands for many years already just has imported a Chrysler 300C with the biggest hemi V8 (an engine he always wanted to have...). The car looks as new, but the price tag is much lower than the local new price overhere - difference is more than $20K! So I was wondering, that I could sell my GT having need of an engine overhaul and get me a nice USA LBC instead.... Keep them rolling! Cheers, Hans 71 BGT NRG w/w - ex-Calif (imported in 1990 - still have the papers) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gosling, Richard" To: "Don Scott" ; Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] A modest proposal >I can see the good intentions in what you're hoping to do, but I'm not > optimistic. Speaking for myself, if I was buying a car, I wouldn't buy > any car where anyone had any say over what I could and could not do with > it, unless it was very rare or incredibly cheap. I'd just go and find > another seller who would let me do what I want with my car. > > Think of the plus side of US cars being exported - buyers in other > countries are getting an opportunity to join in our delightful hobby. > Since by far the majority of the cars went to the USA in the first > place, it's about time they had a chance to join in! > > > Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT in Scotland) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Mar 21 00:24:41 2008 From: "Murray Arundell" To: "Don Scott" Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:24:15 +1000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] A modest proposal Im sorry but I think this is all a bit rich. For years Zmericnas have been enjoying the strength of their dollar buying rare classocs from anywhere in the world that they can find them. Now you want to deny people outside the US from doing the same. Please explain why its ok for Americans to buy whatever they want frm anywhere but you want to deny non Americnas the same right..... Murray Arundell - original message - Subject: [Mgs] A modest proposal From: "Don Scott" Date: 20:03:2008 14:19 In my attempts to find an early B roadster, I wrote to someone in a local British car club, and mentioned that I regreted selling mine. He replied that there were many people looking for MGs and other old British sports cars who also had similar regrets. The following is part of my response to his reply. Anyone have any comments? Is this a silly idea? Is there an organization (car club or clubs?) that could do it? Thanks for taking time to reply to my inquiry. I think what is happening is that we are finally seeing the result of all the cars being shipped abroad. Over the last twenty years, I have owned eight MGBs, most of a TR3, two TR8s, one Bugeye Sprite, and two MGAs. About 2/3 of them, when I sold them, went to buyers who shipped them to Canada, France, and Germany. I didn't feel great about that, but money is money. I always wondered if we were selling our hobby away, and now it's very apparent with the present economic situation, that foreigners are going to pluck away all our stuff that has value. The US dollar is in the process of extreme decline and old cars here will be such bargains that foreigners will buy 'em all. I still think people in the car hobby in the US need to start a trust to keep 'em here. All it would take is a trust that acts as a lienholder on the title of cars. It would be voluntary on the part of a car owner to place the "lien" on the car, and what it would do is impose a limitation that would keep a subsequent owner of the car from shipping it out. The downside, of course, is that the pool of buyers would be less, and maybe the price somewhat less when selling the car. You are subscribed as arundell@ghs.com.au Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Mar 21 07:38:18 2008 From: Jason Spaeth To: Murray Arundell , Don Scott Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 08:38:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] A modest proposal Please explain why its ok for Americans to buy whatever> they want form anywhere but you want to deny non Americans the same right.....> Ok - We'll let Australians in on it too! :-) Actually, I think it is a little silly. If you have the means, you should be able to buy what ever you want no matter where you live. _________________________________________________________________ How well do you know your celebrity gossip? http://originals.msn.com/thebigdebate?ocid=T002MSN03N0707A _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Mar 21 07:54:17 2008 From: David Breneman To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 06:54:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] A modest proposal --- Don Scott wrote: > Anyone > have any comments? > I always wondered if we were selling our hobby > away, and now it's very apparent with the present economic > situation, that > foreigners are going to pluck away all our stuff that has > value. The US dollar is in the process of extreme decline > and old cars here will be such bargains > that foreigners will buy 'em all. This is only the case if some mechanism (wage and price controls like in the 70s?) act to prevent the value of the cars from rising in relation to the dollar. There is nothing tieing their value to the dollar. They are a commodity just like any other. > All it would take is a trust that acts as a > lienholder on the title of cars. It would be voluntary on > the part of a car > owner to place the "lien" on the car, and what it would do > is impose a > limitation that would keep a subsequent owner of the car > from shipping it out. I sure wouldn't buy such a car! "You can buy it but you can't own it." Probably all such a process would do it lead to a bunch of lawsuits. You certainly can't bind a later owner to such an agreement without his permission, and most buyers would expect a healthy discount on the price of the car (50%? 80%?) to abandon their property rights. > The downside, of course, is that the pool of buyers would > be less, and maybe > the price somewhat less when selling the car. That's an understatement. When my grandfather retired, he bought a brand new 1967 Cadillac Coupe de Ville. My grandmother kept it for a total of 30 years, until she passed away. It went to my brother. After keeping it under a tarp for a year, and seeing the ravages of time on it (it had always been in a carport before), and unable to get what he felt was a fair price for 1-owner car with all it's service records, he sold it to a feelow from Finland who restores late 50s to early 70s Cadillacs for buyers in Europe. We both thought that this was an optimal solution because we *knew* the car was going to someone who would love it as much as my grandfather did, and would take good care of it, and it would probably go on forever. How could we complain about that? David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Mar 22 11:30:22 2008 From: "Norm 2Bs" To: "750 101 Digest" , "MG Digest" Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:30:32 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Subject: Help for John Fitch I read this and shuddered at the preposterous situation. It is beyond belief that Connecticut would treat its taxpaying citizens with such callous disdain. Granted that there is a need for John to remediate the damage done by his oil leak. But, to take the attitude the State has of not allowing private citizens the right to take advantage of a program now reserved for businesses only because, "...there were a lot of fancy (sic) addresses on that list (of people applying for the state assistance program)" is sheer bureaucratic bull. Or, is it that private citizens don't have a lobby working on their behalf? And, to proceed with no regard for what is reasonable is preposterous. I urge you to pass this information and the links below to anyone you know who might take the time to call or write to Jodie Rell, the Connecticut newspapers, or any politicians they know in Connecticut to urge them to bring some semblance of fairness, reality and justice to this out-of-hand situation. Do this not just for John, but also for all of the other citizens who are trying to do the right thing by cleaning up old oil tanks. http://www.cwnicholls.net/fitch/fitch.html http://www.docrebuild.com/curr-evnt/currentevents-116.html This whole fiasco reminds me of the case I heard about in New Jersey a number of years ago when a family had a garage sale and let a power lawn mower sit on the sidewalk all day. It leaked some oil. A city or county bureaucrat saw it & the family was forced to excavate the sidewalk and surrounding dirt at some exorbitant cost. You can be sure that trucks owned by that city or county leaked many times more oil in many more places with no similar consequence. Also makes me glad I removed the underground oil tank from my house in Connecticut before it began leaking, and before the oil-Gestapo got involved. Some helpful links: http://www.ct.gov/ctportal/cwp/view.asp?a=843 &q=246450 http://www.50states.com/news/conn.htm Papers to focus on: Hartford Courant; Danbury News-Times; Bridgeport Post; Stamford Advocate Norm Sippel Now in Florida where we have our own version of political corruption and malfeasance _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Mar 22 15:40:18 2008 From: David Woerpel To: twobees@sprynet.com Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:40:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Subject: Help for John Fitch I apologize to those of you receiving several replies. Below is a copy of the email I sent Denise McCluggage. I received her reply in minutes. Hopefully, the "professionals" can help out. Squeaky wheels and all that! Dave 59 :{) 59 MGA 1500 05 MCS Burlington WI >Denise McCluggage wrote:< > David... > > Thanks. I have been made aware of the unreasonable action of Connecticut > against John Fitch. > > I am going to do what I can to make Senator Chris Dodd aware of this > situation. > > Denise > -----Original Message----- > From: David Woerpel [mailto:dwoerpel@wi.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:06 PM > To: dmccluggage@crain.com > Subject: John Fitch > > Ms. McCluggage, > > First may I say that I have enjoy you and your contribution to motor > sports immensely. Keep up the good work and I hope to meet you one day > at Elkhart Lake; hint! > > Being stuck in Wisconsin and having no ties to the "Right Coast", I pass > along information that you are, most likely, already aware. > The plight of John Fitch is most disturbing and I thought maybe those > who knew him could "make some noise". I cannot help monetarily and can > think of nothing else other than writing Governor Jodie Rell. If you > could pass this along to any others, i.e., Sam Posey, or Eddie Cheever I > would be grateful as we owe this gentleman a great deal. Maybe we can > start a movement; just like the "good old days"! Do we need Arlo > Guthrie and Pete Seeger? ;-) > Thank you so much and continued good fortune, > > David Woerpel > 59 :{) > 59 MGA 1500 > 05 MINI Cooper S > Burlington WI Norm 2Bs wrote: > I urge you to pass this information and the links below to anyone you know > who might take the time to call or write to Jodie Rell, the Connecticut > newspapers, or any politicians they know in Connecticut to urge them to > bring some semblance of fairness, reality and justice to this out-of-hand > situation. Do this not just for John, but also for all of the other > citizens who are trying to do the right thing by cleaning up old oil tanks. > > > http://www.cwnicholls.net/fitch/fitch.html > > http://www.docrebuild.com/curr-evnt/currentevents-116.html _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Mar 22 18:01:46 2008 From: Mike Duvall To: mgs mgs Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:02:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 10, Issue 19 .Reasonable, a government official? HA! I sympathize with this guy but what idiot calls the government and reports himself as a polluter? I'm truly amazed at the naive people who vote all the laws and politicians into existence and they decried someone is getting screwed. The guy probably voted for Chris Dodd all these years. He needs a good lawyer to advise him. If he declares bankruptcy, he can let the bankruptcy court and the EPA sort it out. Too bad he doesn't live in Illinois where a campaign donation to your alderman will take care of everything. If you make a donation to the governor you can even get cash back in retirement fund investments. O > I read this and shuddered at the preposterous situation. It is beyond > belief that Connecticut would treat its taxpaying citizens with > such callous > disdain. Granted that there is a need for John to remediate the > damage done > by his oil leak. But, to take the attitude the State has of not > allowing > private citizens the right to take advantage of a program now > reserved for > businesses only because, "...there were a lot of fancy (sic) > addresses on > that list (of people applying for the state assistance program)" is > sheer > bureaucratic bull. Or, is it that private citizens don't have a lobby > working on their behalf? And, to proceed with no regard for what is > reasonable is preposterous. > > ******************** _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Mar 23 12:15:01 2008 From: "Dave Willner" To: Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 14:15:24 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] brake light switch / short question Last week I put new dash switches in, all seemed well. I did get a spark (or two) when pulling out the light switch...yea, I know battery.... Anyway the brake lights don't work right now and they did prior to this, did I somehow burn the switch? I checked the wires and connections and adjusted the switch, all seems ok, no luck. Dave Willner Stroudsburg, PA 59 TR3A Apple Green 70 MGB BRG 70 BSA 441 Victor Special _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Mar 23 15:56:42 2008 From: To: Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:57:07 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgs] A modest proposal <> Shirley you jest, David?!?!?!?! Anon _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Mar 23 20:28:10 2008 From: Guppy21014@aol.com To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 22:29:51 EDT Subject: [Mgs] How hard is it to replace wiper switch 1978 MGB How hard is it to replace wiper switch 1978 MGB? Do I need to drop the steering wheel and is that a difficult project? Thanks Pam **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Mar 23 20:50:23 2008 From: Bernd <1971mgb@cox.net> To: mgs@autox.team.net, Guppy21014@aol.com Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 22:50:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] How hard is it to replace wiper switch 1978 MGB piece of cake, I just did that job on my "B", take the steering column cowl off , a couple of screws hold the switch against the steering rod, unscrew, unplug your wiper switch, plug in new switch and re-assemble. good luck. ---- Guppy21014@aol.com wrote: > How hard is it to replace wiper switch 1978 MGB? > Do I need to drop the steering wheel and is that a difficult project? > Thanks Pam > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as 1971mgb@cox.net > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 24 03:22:27 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Dave Willner" , Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:20:51 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] brake light switch / short question I'm assuming the other green circuit components like instruments are working OK, if not it will be the fuse. Turn the ignition on and check for 12v on the green. If not there is an open-circuit in the green so trace it back through a 2-way bullet connector (check for 12v both sides) which then goes direct to a spade on the fusebox. If there is 12v on the green link the two wires on the switch together - green and green/purple, and again check for 12v on both these wires. If 12v is now missing there is a bad connection back towards the fusebox, check again as above with the link in place. If the brake lights are now on the switch is either faulty or maladjusted. These switches on the pedal cover are of a normally closed type. If you unscrew it the lights should come on, and if you screw it in too far it can stop the lights coming on even with the pedal released. Note that like this it can also affect the brakes by stopping the pedal coming back as far as it should, which causes binding brakes. If the lights still aren't on, with the link still in place and the ignition on, check for 12v check where the green/purple from the brake light switch joins the same colour in the rear harness at a 2-way bullet connector in the mass by the fusebox. If on both sides of that check the 4-way bullet connector in the boot by the right-hand rear light cluster. If there the right-hand bulb could be blown and there could still be an open-circuit at the 2-way bullet connector by the left-hand cluster, or its bulb could be blown as well. If other bulbs in the cluster(s) light normally there could still be corrosion between the bulb and its holder, and I have heard of two instances of an open-circuit where the brass bulb holder is attached to the casting of the light cluster body. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Willner" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:15 PM Subject: [Mgs] brake light switch / short question > Last week I put new dash switches in, all seemed well. I did get a spark > (or > two) when pulling out the light switch...yea, I know battery.... Anyway > the > brake lights don't work right now and they did prior to this, did I > somehow > burn the switch? I checked the wires and connections and adjusted the > switch, > all seems ok, no luck. > > Dave Willner > Stroudsburg, PA > 59 TR3A Apple Green > 70 MGB BRG > 70 BSA 441 Victor Special > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as paul.hunt1@blueyonder.co.uk > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 24 03:23:05 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: , Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:21:39 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] A modest proposal I've told you before, don't call me Shirley! ----- Original Message ----- > Shirley you jest, David?!?!?!?! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 24 03:37:26 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: , Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:34:27 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] How hard is it to replace wiper switch 1978 MGB There may be (there are on late model UK cars) two screws at the bottom of the cowl shrouded by the dash and you *may* need to lower the wheel and column to get at them. You are lucky if it is the wipers, that screws to the turn signal switch mounting plate and can be removed with the wheel in place. If it was the turn signal switch you would have to remove the steering wheel as well. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Do I need to drop the steering wheel and is that a difficult project? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 24 07:13:17 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: , Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:06:59 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Fw: Suggestions needed - where to go in Scotland? The west coast is more 'interesting' scenically. Luss at Loch Lomond is a quaint village on the shore, then via Glenco (site of the famous massacre) and Fort William to Kyle of Lochalsh. Take the Inchree to Corran ferry which takes you to the most westerly point of the UK mainland at Ardnamurchan. From Kyle of Lochalsh over the bridge to Skye and come back by the little ferry at Kylerhea to Glenelg. From Kyle of Lochalsh and Lochcarron over Bealach na Baa reputed to be the most spectacular road in Britain. If you have the time do the great circle to take in Cape Wrath (most north-westerly point), Dunnet Head (most northerly point), and John O' Groats (most north-easterly point) and back down to Inverness. Otherwise the shorter northerly loop to the Cromarty Firth and down to Inverness. From there circle Loch Ness and there is the battlefield (or is it massacre?) at Culloden. We stayed at Carrbridge just off the A9 at an old chapel and had deer grazing in the gardens at breakfast and dinner. From Carrbridge you have Aviemore, Osprey at Loch Garten, Balmoral and Crathie and the Malt trail, watch out for stags leaping into the roads in front of you!. Heading south you have the old Queens family home at Glamis north of Dundee, then down to Edinburgh over the road bridge to see how far they have got painting the Firth of Forth rail bridge. Heading south towards Hull there is Berwick on Tweed, Holy Island, Bamburgh Castle and its fabulous beaches and views of the Farne Islands, Newcastle and its bridges, the transporter bridge (of 'Auf Wiedersehen Pet' fame) at Middlesborough, reputedly the only octagonal (compulsory MG content) lighthouse in Britain at Flamborough Head, and then at least a sight of if not a return trip over the Humber Bridge just outside Hull. PaulH. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 24 08:23:35 2008 From: Eric Erickson To: MG LIST Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:53:54 +1030 Subject: [Mgs] What a month... Sometimes you feel like you need a weekend away from a racetrack... but it is going to be a busy year for me from this point forward. It started working trackside at the Clipsal500 V8 Supercar races - 4 days in some serious heat (and unfortunately with a young driver dying in a crash at my corner). The next weekend (luckily to take my mind off the sad event) I had to pick up my 'B with its rebuilt engine, new tube-shock rear end and other bits, and race on the Sunday. Then I flew interstate to work on the Melbourne F1 Grand Prix (another four days in 100F+ heat). The F1 drivers' parade was, once again, in MGs - woohoo. Witness the unlucky Mark Webber: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/ 2399/2343392852_d7af58a2d8.jpg This was our "workplace" for four days: http:// farm3.static.flickr.com/2364/2343362286_d02e23011b.jpg Back home, the next weekend was spent as a Steward for two days at our Easter Historics races at our local track. Always a fantastic array of cars including watching a close contest between two great mates in two great cars, a TC and a K3 battling it out lap after lap. Would you like to drive this around a racetrack? http:// farm4.static.flickr.com/3139/2357312375_94a9344f10.jpg And now - my little car needs two days with my dyno guy to work out why she isn't living up to her potential after the most recent engine work. It never ends (next event... April 6th - the 2008 Hillclimb series first event)! Is that ONLY two weeks away? Don't you love owning a sports car? Eric '68MGB MkII Adelaide, South Australia _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 24 10:15:32 2008 From: Bob Howard To: dwillner@ptd.net Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:13:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] brake light switch / short question Dave, Have you replaced fuses? Bob On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 14:15:24 -0400 "Dave Willner" writes: > Last week I put new dash switches in, all seemed well. I did get a > spark (or > two) when pulling out the light switch...yea, I know battery.... > Anyway the > brake lights don't work right now and they did prior to this, did I > somehow > burn the switch? I checked the wires and connections and adjusted > the switch, > all seems ok, no luck. > > Dave Willner > Stroudsburg, PA > 59 TR3A Apple Green > 70 MGB BRG > 70 BSA 441 Victor Special _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 24 14:37:47 2008 From: "W. David Houser" To: "Paul Hunt" Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:37:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fw: Suggestions needed - where to go in Scotland? and while on the Malt trail, don't forget to stop in Pitlochery and hae a bit of the best single malt, Edradour! Hae a great trip, Dave Houser On Mar 24, 2008, at 9:06 AM, Paul Hunt wrote: > The west coast is more 'interesting' scenically. Luss at Loch > Lomond is a > quaint village on the shore, then via Glenco (site of the famous > massacre) > and Fort William to Kyle of Lochalsh. Take the Inchree to Corran > ferry > which takes you to the most westerly point of the UK mainland at > Ardnamurchan. From Kyle of Lochalsh over the bridge to Skye and > come back > by the little ferry at Kylerhea to Glenelg. From Kyle of Lochalsh and > Lochcarron over Bealach na Baa reputed to be the most spectacular > road in > Britain. If you have the time do the great circle to take in Cape > Wrath > (most north-westerly point), Dunnet Head (most northerly point), and > John O' > Groats (most north-easterly point) and back down to Inverness. > Otherwise > the shorter northerly loop to the Cromarty Firth and down to > Inverness. From > there circle Loch Ness and there is the battlefield (or is it > massacre?) at > Culloden. We stayed at Carrbridge just off the A9 at an old chapel > and had > deer grazing in the gardens at breakfast and dinner. From > Carrbridge you > have Aviemore, Osprey at Loch Garten, Balmoral and Crathie and the > Malt > trail, watch out for stags leaping into the roads in front of you!. > Heading > south you have the old Queens family home at Glamis north of Dundee, > then > down to Edinburgh over the road bridge to see how far they have got > painting > the Firth of Forth rail bridge. Heading south towards Hull there is > Berwick > on Tweed, Holy Island, Bamburgh Castle and its fabulous beaches and > views of > the Farne Islands, Newcastle and its bridges, the transporter bridge > (of > 'Auf Wiedersehen Pet' fame) at Middlesborough, reputedly the only > octagonal > (compulsory MG content) lighthouse in Britain at Flamborough Head, > and then > at least a sight of if not a return trip over the Humber Bridge just > outside > Hull. > > PaulH. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 24 18:54:43 2008 From: "Robin Camblin" To: Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:59:12 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MG TD Low Oil Pressure on Fresh Rebuild Hey list, Hope someone can help with this question. I've just installed and newly rebuilt XPAG engine in to the TD and am experiencing lower than normal oil pressure, it is measuring about 38 lbs constant, regardless of the engine RPM. Also, I'm getting excessive amounts of oil in the rocker area. Someone has suggested that I need to put a restrictor in the oil feed between the lower and upper oil tube. Anyone had this problem. Thanks in advance Rob Camblin 1960 MGA 1967 MGBGT 1951 MGTD _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Mar 24 21:08:10 2008 From: Blake J. Discher To: Spitfires Mail List Members , MG LIST Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:08:37 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] 3 Locations for America's British Reliability Run America's British Reliability Run Includes Three Separate Runs for 2008 In it's sixth year, America's British Reliability Run is a challenging, but fun, driving event that so far has raised more than $130,000 for worthy children's charities. This year, three separate 800-mile runs on the same weekend, September 27-28, 2008, will benefit three highly-rated, local childrens' charities. One run starts in Michigan, another in Pennsylvania, and yet another in Alabama! Each two-person team pays their own expenses out-of-pocket and has a goal of raising $500 for the charity. Up to 40 British cars of any marque or vintage may participate in each run. Even if you can't participate in the run, please support this effort by making a donation of any size. Again, teams pay their own expenses, so 100% of your donation goes to the charity, please help us increase our total! To register your car, donate, or read more about the run, visit http://www.abrr.org. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Mar 25 08:49:26 2008 From: Bob Howard To: rcamblin2@comcast.net Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:48:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG TD Low Oil Pressure on Fresh Rebuild Rob, The workshop manual mentions use of a restrictor in cases of excessive oil consumption, but it is a restrictor fitted into the air cleaner engine breather pipe. It is possible that the low oil pressure and the excessive oil in the rocker area are related. If the bushings on the rockers are looser than specified, oil will flow from the rockers faster than intended and will lower pressure at the gauge. Was the rocker shaft measured or replaced during the rebuilding? Were the bushings replaced? Fitted to the shaft? You can jiggle the rockers with your fingers. If you feel sideways movement/wobble, that can be addressed. That the pressure is 38 lbs constant regardless of RPM could indicate that the pump is pumping great at idle, but not developing full pressure at higher RPM or that the relief spring is relieving early. According to the handbook, "a pressure between 25 and 40 lb is shown under normal running condtions", though most owners these days do look for higher pressures. One would expect a newly rebuilt engine to show more than 38 though, unless filled with a thin or hot oil. Another thing to check is that the gauge is reading accurately. Try substituting another gauge to confirm the pressure. Bob On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:59:12 -0500 "Robin Camblin" writes: > Hey list, > > > > Hope someone can help with this question. I've just installed and > newly rebuilt XPAG engine in to the TD and am experiencing lower than > normal oil pressure, it is measuring about 38 lbs constant, regardless of the > engine RPM. > > Also, I'm getting excessive amounts of oil in the rocker area. > Someone has suggested that I need to put a restrictor in the oil feed between > the lower and upper oil tube.> > > Anyone had this problem.> > > Thanks in advance > Rob Camblin > > 1960 MGA > > 1967 MGBGT > > 1951 MGTD _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Mar 25 14:59:04 2008 From: Aeseeyou@aol.com To: shop@justbrits.com, mgs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:59:32 EDT Subject: Re: [Mgs] DUMBEST wanna be in the WORLD!!!!!!!!!!! In a message dated 3/25/2008 1:10:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, shop@justbrits.com writes: Hey check out: _http://wgntv.trb.com/_ (http://wgntv.trb.com/) Ed...... Well, that one's just about as dumb as the guy who went on a crime binge a couple of days ago, apparently he was bored and restless because of the situation he was in. He was absolutely bored to no end. But there was a pretty good reason that he was so bored. It seems he was on house arrest for some previous burglaries and robberies he'd committed and as part of his plea bargain the Judge had ordered him to be put on house arrest and he had to wear an electronic monitoring devise on his leg. That's what made it so hard for him to do much in the way of going out. Finally, though he'd reached the point where he just HAD TO go out and rob somebody. The trouble with his brilliant plan was that the monitoring device on his leg sent out a GPS tracking signal that told the police exactly where could find this Idiot as he was committing the robbery...Duhhh! Albert Escalante-CCBCC/Left Coast **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Mar 25 15:22:07 2008 From: Paul Root To: shop@justbrits.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:22:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] DUMBEST wanna be in the WORLD!!!!!!!!!!! That's just too funny for words. On Mar 25, 2008, at 4:09 PM, wrote: > I just sent this to my local PD and I KNOW you folks will NOT > believe!!!!!! > ************************************************************************************** > BREAKING NEWS IN CHICAGO!! > > Go to: http://wgntv.trb.com/ > and scroll down (currently in top row on right) to this story: > > "Strange twist in an attempted...." & click on pic then scroll back > up!! > > I will bet you a case of brew that in all the combined years of all > HPD employees (sworn AND non-sworn) nobody has heard of one quite > THIS dumb, Kevin!!!!!!!!! > > Might even want to post this on B.B.!!! LMAO!!! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Mar 26 18:05:36 2008 From: "Pat Harris - \"sammler\"" To: MG mailing list - autox Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:06:11 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Floor lift and MGAs When using a 2 post lift where should the pads/arms be placed for lifting a MGA? Thanks, Pat _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Mar 27 02:50:38 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Dave Willner" Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:46:21 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] brake light switch / short question Unfortunately that is very common these days, if you had said you had replaced the switch (not a criticism) I'm sure that is where everyone would have directed you first. Don't expect any better out of the replacement, they all seem to be the same, I suspect they are made to the same specs as modern switches which only operate a relay and not the lights directly on modern cars. To that end you will probably have to fit a relay yourself, you might like to have a look at http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/wn_electricsframe.htm and click on 'Lighting' and 'Brake Lights'. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Seems coincidences like these happen more than I thought, apparently the > switch went bad....just realized it was the same time I put the new > switches in place.... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Mar 28 09:26:31 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: , , Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:15:31 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Classic names are part of Tata deal Ta-ta (as in 'good bye') Jaguar and Land Rover. As a commentator has said "You would have to be a brave man to bet against jobs and production being transferred to India in five years time". PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Tata Motors will get the right use three classic British auto-brand names > as > part of its $2.3 billion deal to buy Jaguar and Land Rover. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Mar 28 11:24:51 2008 From: "Larry Daniels" To: , "MG List" Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:24:53 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Ex-Moss MGTD Racer in Autoweek _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive