From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 1 05:20:36 2008 From: "Ed Woods" To: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:21:16 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Brake caliper bolts Good Morning List, What's the recommended torque for the bolt securing the brake caliper halves on a '72 MGB? Ed Woods _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 1 05:37:42 2008 From: "davewillner" To: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:38:10 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Driving lights under chrome bumper hook up I came across a nice pair of Lucas LR8 rectangular driving lights I'd to mount under the chrome bumper on the B. I took a quick look and realized its going to be tough to drill thru the underside of the bumper, not really anything underneath to drill into. Not sure if drilling thru the valance and fabricating some brackets is the way to go, but seems like the only option. Does anyone have any other suggestions or ideas. Thanks Dave Willner Stroudsburg, PA 59 TR3A Apple Green 70 MGB BRG 70 BSA 441 Victor Special _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 1 06:21:27 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "davewillner" , Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:15:35 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Driving lights under chrome bumper hook up I would drill the 'spring' that lies behind the bumper and runs between the over-rider bolt and the chrome headed bolt outboard of that and attach a right-angle bracket to that. If you used a right-angle bracket with clamping plate and two nuts and bolts you wouldn't even have to drill that spring and could adjust the position of the lamps. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > ... Not sure if drilling thru the valance and > fabricating some brackets is the way to go, but seems like the only > option. > Does anyone have any other suggestions or ideas. Thanks _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 1 06:44:19 2008 From: "Pat Harris - \"sammler\"" To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:45:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake caliper bolts I've just done some brake work on my MGA calipers and perhaps this torque guide will be useful. Ed Woods wrote: > > torque for the bolt securing the brake caliper halves - '72 MGB? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 1 12:45:08 2008 From: "Ed Woods" To: "Pat Harris - \"sammler\"" , Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:45:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake caliper bolts List, If all else fails, read the workshop manual and parts lists. Here's what I found: 1. Seal, fluid channel, 2 req'd, part no. 17H 7679. In stock at The Roadster Factory. 2 on the way. 2. Bolt, bridge, 4 req'd, part no. 27H 4353. Shop manual specs 37 lb-ft torque on bolts and demands new seal and bolt if it is absolutely necessary to disassemble caliper. After 36 years, I deemed it necessary. Best, Ed Woods _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 1 13:37:02 2008 From: "Jack Feldman" To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:37:28 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Driving lights under chrome bumper hook up Great idea Paul. I plan to mount two fog lights below the bumper, and I'll look into your idea. I had seen two installations which had drilled holes in the bumper. The previous owner of my car drilled two holes in the apron in front of the grill. Since the apron consists of two pieces of sheet metal with nothing in between, he found some shims from somewhere (and fortunately left them behind in the apron), used them to keep the apron from collapsing when the driving light bolts were tightened. They can be inserted from behind the grill. Thanks for the bracket idea. Jack Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:15:35 +0100 From: "Paul Hunt" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Driving lights under chrome bumper hook up To: "davewillner" , Message-ID: <018c01c893f2$fa26e1c0$0200a8c0@Three> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I would drill the 'spring' that lies behind the bumper and runs between the over-rider bolt and the chrome headed bolt outboard of that and attach a right-angle bracket to that. If you used a right-angle bracket with clamping plate and two nuts and bolts you wouldn't even have to drill that spring and could adjust the position of the lamps. PaulH. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 1 18:41:59 2008 From: "Craig" To: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:42:30 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] British car show in Louisville, Ky The featured marque of the 24th annual British Bash car show in Louisville, Ky is Austin Healey. Preregister by May 3rd and save.Check out the website photos and the online regisitration! www.britishbash.com See you in Louisville on June 6th & 7th. Thanks, British Sports Car Club of Louisville, Ky '08 Bash coordinator Craig Holmes cbhlouky@bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 2 02:16:18 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Ed Woods" , Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:00:31 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake caliper bolts Good spot. I only looked in the lists in the 'Specifications' section. I wonder how many other torque figures are dotted through the text. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- If all else fails, read the workshop manual and parts lists. Here's what I found: ... Shop manual specs 37 lb-ft torque on bolts and demands new seal and bolt if it is absolutely necessary to disassemble caliper. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 2 10:00:31 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Jack Feldman" , Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:00:42 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Driving lights under chrome bumper hook up I have them on my rubber bumper V8 and that's how the PO mounted them, and that with a fibre-glass spoiler I don't know if there any shims, I *think* they are bolted where the two flanges are bolted together anyway, so shouldn't need them. A not very clear pic at http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/wn_electricsframe.htm and click on 'Lighting', 'Fog & Spot Lights' and scroll down a bit. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > The previous owner of my car drilled two holes in the apron in front of > the > grill. Since the apron consists of two pieces of sheet metal with nothing > in > between, he found some shims from somewhere (and fortunately left them > behind in the apron), used them to keep the apron from collapsing when the > driving light bolts were tightened. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 2 18:15:38 2008 From: "Councill, David" To: "MG List" Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:16:09 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] MG sighting - the octagon I took my 67BGT out for a spin today, the first time in well over a month. It was a bit cold outside (about -5 C) but it started right up and ran well. But thats not why I am writing. One of the reasons my car has been parked was because I was off on a trip to eastern Europe for two weeks and I just got back last week. Anyway, I was wandering about the streets of Belgrade when I came upon the familiar sign of the octagon (a much more pleasant sign than the ever present golden arches I might add). I took some pictures which I thought might be of interest: http://www.msubillings.edu/dc/belgrade_mg1.jpg http://www.msubillings.edu/dc/belgrade_mg2.jpg It was a Sunday so the store associated with the sign was closed. But other than the sign, I did not see anything anyway related to MG. The window had a lot of young children's toys displayed. In fact, I did not see any MGs or any other British cars during my eastern European travels, except for a couple of Defenders (Land Rovers). I saw only one chrome bumper car, a 60s Volvo, in Budapest. Otherwise, people over there pretty much drove the same modern plasticky cars I see everywhere else, well except the makes and models were a bit different than what I see in the USA even though they all look almost alike to me anymore and they tended to be more subcompact models. David Councill 67 BGT 72 B 2001 Land Rover Discovery II 1974 Toyota Landcruiser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 2 18:34:38 2008 From: "Murray Arundell" To: "'Councill, David'" , "'MG List'" Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:27:03 +1000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG sighting - the octagon Hi Dave, Interesting pics. It amazing where these things pop up. BTW saw a lovely yellow Rubber Bumper BGT in Shanghai when I was there in January. Am off to Beijing and Shanghai again on Tuesday so will keep my eyes peeled. Mind you lots of MG ZTs on the road up there now. Cheers - Murray Arundell -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+arundell=ghs.com.au@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+arundell=ghs.com.au@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Councill, David Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2008 10:16 AM To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] MG sighting - the octagon I took my 67BGT out for a spin today, the first time in well over a month. It was a bit cold outside (about -5 C) but it started right up and ran well. But thats not why I am writing. One of the reasons my car has been parked was because I was off on a trip to eastern Europe for two weeks and I just got back last week. Anyway, I was wandering about the streets of Belgrade when I came upon the familiar sign of the octagon (a much more pleasant sign than the ever present golden arches I might add). I took some pictures which I thought might be of interest: http://www.msubillings.edu/dc/belgrade_mg1.jpg http://www.msubillings.edu/dc/belgrade_mg2.jpg It was a Sunday so the store associated with the sign was closed. But other than the sign, I did not see anything anyway related to MG. The window had a lot of young children's toys displayed. In fact, I did not see any MGs or any other British cars during my eastern European travels, except for a couple of Defenders (Land Rovers). I saw only one chrome bumper car, a 60s Volvo, in Budapest. Otherwise, people over there pretty much drove the same modern plasticky cars I see everywhere else, well except the makes and models were a bit different than what I see in the USA even though they all look almost alike to me anymore and they tended to be more subcompact models. David Councill 67 BGT 72 B 2001 Land Rover Discovery II 1974 Toyota Landcruiser You are subscribed as arundell@ghs.com.au Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 3 01:49:19 2008 From: "Richard Gosling" To: "Murray Arundell" Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 08:49:43 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG sighting - the octagon Bear in mind that, in Eastern Europe, it was impossible to buy cars by Western European manufacturers until the fall of communism in the late 80's. So there is no reason that almost anyone there would have ever heard of MG (I've no idea if MG/Rover tried to sell modern MGs in those markets). Up to the fall of communism the only cars they could buy (if they were lucky) were cars made in their own or neighbouring communist countries - Lada, Yugo, Trabant, FSO, Skoda, Wartburg, Dacia (probably one or two others I've forgotten). Since these cars were all totally cack (excluding post-communist Skodas, which are good, being essentially VW underneath) they have long ago fallen apart, hence the total lack of anything other than modern Euroboxes on their streets today. No doubt there are a few of the communist-built cars still around being maintained by collectors - the Trabant particularly seems to attract a certain devotion (even I was once tempted to buy one), probably because it was unusually crap even for a communist-built car - very slow, smokey 2-stroke engine. bizarre column-shift manual gearbox, cardboard bodywork (no rust!). Still doesn't explain the MG sign on the toy shop! I guess the owner may have seen the logo somewhere, maybe during a trip to Western Europe, thought it looked good so decided to use it. Or maybe he's a secret MG fan, with a collection of pre-war MGs hidden in a barn away from prying eyes for 40 years during communist rule... Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 3 08:46:44 2008 From: "Councill, David" To: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 08:47:10 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] car audio question I am hoping to get my 72B back on the road. Its ready but I am just waiting for dry weather since I live on a dirt road and the car is pretty much restored (there is a relative term for you). The one problem I have had is that the CD player has not been working reliably. It usually works when it is cold outside but the warmer it gets, the more likely I get the deadly "err 6" on the display and no sound. It's a Clarion I got from my son after we compared several CD decks that we had. This one had the smallest depth but it still sticks out of the console maybe =". So I would like to replace it but the depth of course is a major factor. The ability to plug in a mp3 player (or an iPod) through an aux input would also be good since I have a very extensive collection of albums in mp3 format, mostly British music of course. So does anyone have some recommendations based on what they are running that will fit in a early 70s B console? I am looking for cheap (only because it's a convertible) with some kind of mp3 player direct input (I tried the FM receiver mp3 device but there seems to be too much FM interference around here). Something readily available in the USA I should add. I did some checking at Best Buy's website but their car fit lookup tool says nothing will fit in my 72B. At least the car is listed in the tool. David Councill 67 MGBGT 72 MGB 74 Toyota Landcruiser 01 Land Rover Discovery II _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 3 09:09:29 2008 From: Paul Root To: "Councill, David" Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:09:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] car audio question I've got a JVC HD Radio in my Subaru. It has an input, and I have an iPod insert in it. Works pretty well. I'm not sure of the size, but it's not very big. I got it at Crutchfield for $170 or so. I just have a generic CD radio in the B. It's wedged in pretty tight. Any bump bounces the cd. On Apr 3, 2008, at 9:47 AM, Councill, David wrote: > I am hoping to get my 72B back on the road. Its ready but I am just > waiting > for dry weather since I live on a dirt road and the car is pretty much > restored (there is a relative term for you). The one problem I have > had is > that the CD player has not been working reliably. It usually works > when it is > cold outside but the warmer it gets, the more likely I get the > deadly "err 6" > on the display and no sound. It's a Clarion I got from my son after we > compared several CD decks that we had. This one had the smallest > depth but it > still sticks out of the console maybe =". So I would like to replace > it but > the depth of course is a major factor. The ability to plug in a mp3 > player (or > an iPod) through an aux input would also be good since I have a very > extensive > collection of albums in mp3 format, mostly British music of course. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 3 09:50:00 2008 From: Aaron Whiteman To: "Councill, David" Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 08:50:22 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] car audio question On Apr 3, 2008, at 7:47 AM, Councill, David wrote: > > So does anyone have some recommendations based on what they are > running that > will fit in a early 70s B console? I am looking for cheap (only > because it's a > convertible) with some kind of mp3 player direct input (I tried the FM > receiver mp3 device but there seems to be too much FM interference > around > here). Something readily available in the USA I should add. I did > some > checking at Best Buy's website but their car fit lookup tool says > nothing will > fit in my 72B. At least the car is listed in the tool. Unfortunately, I think I'm not going to be any help. I suspect the console for the '75 is bigger than the '72. Just the same, I have a Pioneer from a few years back that works fairly well in my B. It doesn't have iPod specific capabilities, but the Pioneer CD-bus can be used to provide an AUX interface (2x RCA plugs, which is easy enough to convert to headphones). I've not had any problems with any I've been recently considering replacing it, mostly because I have to use the remote to change the volume (the rotary dial is not reliable). One thing I've noted, you will need to consider an amp if you don't have speakers in the door. I have two speakers in boxes on the shelf behind the seats and hear things just fine when the top is up. When the top is down, the higher-frequency sounds get lost fighting the wind and the folded roof. A good sized amplifier in the boot helps. -- Aaron Whiteman -- http://www.panix.com/~awhitema/MG/ '75 B (red for now), HIF4 carbs _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 3 11:19:05 2008 From: Charles & Peggy Robinson To: Richard Gosling , MG Mailing List Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:18:12 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG sighting - the octagon I don't know about when the Yugo - called Zastava in Yugoslavia - started production. Could have been before the fall of the iron curtain. Marshal Tito did things his way, even though his country was part of the USSR. Either way, the Yugo was a pretty good little car. It was a Fiat, built under license in what's now Serbia. We had an '88 Yugo that took us 130K miles before Peg ran it out of oil and blew it up. We towed it with all four down behind our motorhome too. There are still Yugos on the road in this country today. I sure would like to know more about that octogon sign. CR _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 3 12:30:32 2008 From: Dan DiBiase To: Charles & Peggy Robinson , MG List Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:31:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG sighting - the octagon Yugoslavia was certainly within the USSR sphere of influence - and behind the 'Iron Curtain' - but it wasn't part of the USSR. I always thought the Yugo was just another Malcolm Bricklin scam. ;-) Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress... '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html ----- Original Message ---- From: Charles & Peggy Robinson To: Richard Gosling ; MG Mailing List Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2008 2:18:12 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG sighting - the octagon I don't know about when the Yugo - called Zastava in Yugoslavia - started production. Could have been before the fall of the iron curtain. Marshal Tito did things his way, even though his country was part of the USSR. Either way, the Yugo was a pretty good little car. It was a Fiat, built under license in what's now Serbia. We had an '88 Yugo that took us 130K miles before Peg ran it out of oil and blew it up. We towed it with all four down behind our motorhome too. There are still Yugos on the road in this country today. I sure would like to know more about that octogon sign. CR You are subscribed as d_dibiase@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 3 15:18:30 2008 From: "Oliver" To: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:08:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] car audio question well, if you want mp3 this won't help you. but - if not you can search on ebay for mgb radio, volkswagon beetle, and numerous other cars of the era to get one that really fits, and looks right. i have a nice vintage british leyland radio. its mono, but its also original to the car . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Councill, David" To: Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: [Mgs] car audio question >I am hoping to get my 72B back on the road. Its ready but I am just waiting > for dry weather since I live on a dirt road and the car is pretty much > restored (there is a relative term for you). The one problem I have had is > that the CD player has not been working reliably. It usually works when it > is > cold outside but the warmer it gets, the more likely I get the deadly "err > 6" > on the display and no sound. It's a Clarion I got from my son after we > compared several CD decks that we had. This one had the smallest depth but > it > still sticks out of the console maybe =". So I would like to replace it > but > the depth of course is a major factor. The ability to plug in a mp3 player > (or > an iPod) through an aux input would also be good since I have a very > extensive > collection of albums in mp3 format, mostly British music of course. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 3 16:48:00 2008 From: "Pat Harris - \"sammler\"" To: MG mailing list - autox Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:48:38 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Caliper rebuild MGA 1600 MKII I'm gathering material for rebuilding the calipers, converting them to the MGB pistons. The seal kit was purchased along with the pistons as a rebuild kit. Barney's web site states that the seal has a square cross section and I just read at a MGB page that "The plain seal has a tapper[sic] so make sure that the high side is to the inside of the caliper." The /MGA Workshop Manual /illustration shows a taper on the outer part of the seal and the cylinder of the caliper has a groove which is designed to accept a tapered surface; this results in the flat part of the seal contacting the side of the piston. The rebuild kit I purchased has seals which appear to have a square cross section. Square or tapered, that is the question? If it be tapered from whence cometh such? Thanks, Pat _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 3 16:54:24 2008 From: Matt Trebelhorn To: Matt Trebelhorn Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:54:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] car audio question In my wife's Fiat spider, we have an original Fiat-branded radio -- AM-only, mono -- to which I added an iPod line-in. I'm contemplating doing something similar for the MG and pulling out the early-90s cassette deck that I have in it now (though it is a blaupunkt with a line-in, so it works pretty well) I'll second what was said earlier about using an amplifier. I have two amps, 4 speakers. Speakers behind the seats use a 50 watt per channel amp in the trunk; door speakers use a small-ish 30 watt per channel amp behind the dash. It sounds pretty nice. Amps and speakers are all ebay. Previous-generation amps aren't "cool" anymore, but still do the business. Oh, and I have the packaway top. A fold-down would cover up the speakers in back! When I installed the blaupunkt in my car 15+ years ago, the interference was slight. The back of the radio pressed against the plastic elbows that direct air to the defroster vents. Install on a hot day when the plastic is pliable, and you can get away with a little bit. Good luck, Matt _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 3 17:27:42 2008 From: Matt Trebelhorn To: Dan DiBiase Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 19:28:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG sighting - the octagon The Yugo is a pretty cool car -- but you're right to blame Malcom Bricklin, at least a little. The Yugo was introduced in the late 1980s, and used the same drivetrain as a Fiat X1/9. By that time, the X had a 1500 CC motor, fuel injection, and a 5- speed. Instead of taking that fairly modern drivetrain, though, the Yugo used essentially an early-70s spec version: 1100cc, 4-speed, and a carb/emissions setup from the absolutely awful Ford Escort (not the British Escort) Why? Blame Bricklin. A Yugo with a 1500 and injection could be a pretty nice car; with 1100ccs, a lousy carb, an air pump, and a cat, it can be slow. By the way, I have a theory that my Yugo and my MGB are cousins. The MG1100 and the Autobianchi Primula were both FWD 4-seaters, slightly larger than a Mini. Both were designed by Pininfarina, and are pretty similar looking. The Primula was the Fiat Group's first FWD car; the next was the 127, which was european car of the year in the early 70s, and which was licensed to Zastava to make the Yugo. Matt On 3 Apr, 2008, at 2:31 PM, Dan DiBiase wrote: > Yugoslavia was certainly within the USSR sphere of influence - and > behind the 'Iron Curtain' - but it wasn't part of the USSR. > > I always thought the Yugo was just another Malcolm Bricklin scam. ;-) > > Dan D > Central NJ USA > '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress... > '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... > NAMGBR #5-2328 > http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ > http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Charles & Peggy Robinson > To: Richard Gosling ; MG Mailing List > > Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2008 2:18:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG sighting - the octagon > > I don't know about when the Yugo - called Zastava in Yugoslavia - > started production. Could have been before the fall of the iron > curtain. Marshal Tito did things his way, even though his country was > part of the USSR. Either way, the Yugo was a pretty good little car. > It was a Fiat, built under license in what's now Serbia. We had an > '88 > Yugo that took us 130K miles before Peg ran it out of oil and blew it > up. We towed it with all four down behind our motorhome too. > There are > still Yugos on the road in this country today. > > I sure would like to know more about that octogon sign. > > CR > You are subscribed as d_dibiase@yahoo.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as matt.lists@trebelhorn.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 3 17:39:34 2008 From: Max Heim To: MG List Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:36:05 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG sighting - the octagon on 4/3/08 4:28 PM, Matt Trebelhorn at matt.lists@trebelhorn.com wrote: > By the way, I have a theory that my Yugo and my MGB are cousins.... You know what they say: "You can choose your friends, but you can't choose your relatives." In this case I think I'd disavow the connection. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 3 21:55:12 2008 From: Charles & Peggy Robinson To: Matt Trebelhorn Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:53:00 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG sighting - the octagon My understanding was that the YUGO GV series was a Fiat 128. There was a 1500 FI YUGO GVX, 5-spd. I have a repro of the factory shop manual that shows both engines. Lots of YUGO enthusiasts have swapped Fiat x 1/9 power trains into the GV & GVX. It's amazing how much of that stuff is interchangeable. Mine was an 1100cc, 4-spd GV with a carb and more capillary tubes running around the engine compartment than you could count. Still, it could cruise at 70 mph and get 35 mpg doing it. I built a replacement engine out of parts and sold it, running, to a young couple here in Kerrville for $250. I told 'em to call me if they had any trouble with it; never heard from them again. I still have most of a 1100 cc engine. Anyone want it? I'll give it away to the first comer. CR Matt Trebelhorn wrote: > > A Yugo with a 1500 and injection could be a pretty nice car; with > 1100ccs, a lousy carb, an air pump, and a cat, it can be slow. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 4 14:36:57 2008 From: RampantNM@aol.com To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 16:37:19 EDT Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG sighting - the octagon In a message dated 4/2/2008 6:16:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time, dcouncill@msubillings.edu writes: Anyway, I was wandering about the streets of Belgrade when I came upon the familiar sign of the octagon Did the brass plaque have anything inscribed on it? How was it attached to the wall? Can you send the exact address?...just kidding, I can't afford to go to sleep, let alone to Europe. Regards, Robert B. Houston 74.5 MGBGT 73 MG Midget As he stared at her ample bosom, he daydreamed of the dual Skinners Union carburetors in his vintage MG, highly functional yet pleasingly formed, perched prominently on top of the intake manifold, aching for experienced hands, the small knurled caps of the oil dampeners begging to be inspected and adjusted as described in chapter seven of the Haynes shop manual. **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 4 15:48:39 2008 From: To: , , Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 16:47:52 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Unreal!!!!! Whether you are a NASCAR fan or not, TRY to catch Texas qualifying for the most UN-believable, BRUTAL crash I have EVER seen in ANY racing venue!!! EIGHT barrel rolls!!!!! Car # 00, Michael McDowell. And for further UN-REAL, the driver got out of the resultant piece of trash walked to the ambulance but WAVED to the crowd!!! Already released from Infield Care Center & interviewed on TV!! IN-REAL!!! Ed _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 4 18:06:35 2008 From: Eric Erickson To: shop@justbrits.com, MG LIST Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 10:36:50 +1030 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Unreal!!!!! On 05/04/2008, at 9:17 AM, wrote: > Whether you are a NASCAR fan or not, TRY to catch Texas qualifying > for the most UN-believable, BRUTAL crash I have EVER seen in ANY > racing venue!!! EIGHT barrel rolls!!!!! Car # 00, Michael McDowell. > > And for further UN-REAL, the driver got out of the resultant piece > of trash walked to the ambulance but WAVED to the crowd!!! Already > released from Infield Care Center & interviewed on TV!! > > Don't we love the safety systems in these cars. This crash sticks in my mind because at the same weekend a V8 Supercar tripped over the same curb and did something rather similar. The cause was a car being pushed out wide on a corner and clipping curbing where an unused section of track enters the main section. http://youtube.com/watch?v=uxm2yuI1xHM The pity is they have pulled down the Youtube video of the V8 Supercar crash for "terms of use violation". They have altered that part of the track now but it was weird for these two crashes on the same weekend when it had never happened at that part of the track before. Both drivers walked away from them. Eric '68MGB MkII Adelaide, SouthAustralia _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 06:04:13 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "MGS Digest" , Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:00:52 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] For the future MG driver ... http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/images/tshirt.jpg T-shirts based on the front cover of various Haynes Workshop Manuals from Next (possibly only in the UK). They even come with a mini-manual containing care instructions :o) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 07:09:30 2008 From: Paul Root To: MG-MGB@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 07:09:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] For the future MG driver ... Very neat. Where were those 5-10 years ago, when my kids were that size. On Apr 6, 2008, at 6:00 AM, Paul Hunt wrote: > http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/images/tshirt.jpg > > T-shirts based on the front cover of various Haynes Workshop Manuals > from > Next (possibly only in the UK). They even come with a mini-manual > containing > care instructions :o) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 21:23:04 2008 From: "Valda and Merl Rosenthal" To: "MG List" Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 19:34:20 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] 1980 MGB Starter Problems I have an problem with my starter on my 1980 MGB. When the engine gets warm my starter struggles to turn it over but always starts. I had it tested while it is struggling and the starter draws 500 amps. When the engine is warm and I pull the positive wire off the coil and crank the engine the starter works fine. This is a new engine with about 600 miles on it. I have tried 3 starters on this engine and they both do the same thing. And the problem also existed on the engine before my overhaul. I have SU HS4 carbs, electronic ignition, and no pollution devices. My timing is set at 15 BTDC but have retarded it all the way to zero and the problem exists. My valves are set at .013 (warm) and plugs are gapped at .035. I have replaced the cable from the starter to the battery and the ground from the battery to the battery box. My transmission and engine ground are new and connections clean. Has anybody experienced a similar problem? Any advice would be appreciated. Merl Rosenthal _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 22:50:47 2008 From: "Robert J. Guinness" To: MG List Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 22:50:58 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGB Head gasket reuse anf head bolt torque In reinstalling the head on my 1963 MGB engine I am using a new Payen Head gasket. When I torqued the #9 head bolt it broke at 40 ft/lbs (I used new studs). I have 2 question:s 1. Can I reuse the new head gasket after it had been torqued to 40 ft/lbs? 2. The manual says the torque is 50 ft/lbs. Is that correct, or should it be lower? Thanks -- Robert Guinness _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 00:35:46 2008 From: "Richard Ewald" To: "Valda and Merl Rosenthal" Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 22:36:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1980 MGB Starter Problems A high starter draw is caused by either low circuit resistance or high mechanical resistance. 500 amps is an almost unbelievably high draw however. A big block V8 with a bad starter will draw a little over 300 amps and barely turns over. 500 Amps on a 4 cylinder makes me think that perhaps the ammeter is out of adjustment. Are you checking the spike, or what it takes to keep the engine turning once it starts? Disregard the spike, look at what it takes to keep the engine turning once it starts to turn over. Since you have tried one or two other starters with the same draw, it points to high mechanical resistance. The pulling of the coil wire and having the draw go back to normal would make me think that the engine is too far advanced. (If the engine fires too far advanced, the starter has to fight the expanding gases in the cylinder.) Based on what you have posted, I would two a couple of things First I would check what it takes to turn the engine over by hand cold, then warm the engine up completely and check it again warm. If the engine is hard to turn over by hand warm, you have a mechanical issue inside the engine. Then I would pull the #1 spark plug and bring the engine to TDC and verify that the TDC mark on the dampener is in fact TDC. Lastly I would check the draw with a different ammeter. $0.02 Rick On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Valda and Merl Rosenthal wrote: > I have an problem with my starter on my 1980 MGB. When the engine gets > warm > my starter struggles to turn it over but always starts. I had it tested > while > it is struggling and the starter draws 500 amps. When the engine is warm > and > I pull the positive wire off the coil and crank the engine the starter > works > fine. This is a new engine with about 600 miles on it. I have tried 3 > starters on this engine and they both do the same thing. And the problem > also > existed on the engine before my overhaul. I have SU HS4 carbs, electronic > ignition, and no pollution devices. My timing is set at 15 BTDC but have > retarded it all the way to zero and the problem exists. My valves are set > at > .013 (warm) and plugs are gapped at .035. I have replaced the cable from > the > starter to the battery and the ground from the battery to the battery box. > My > transmission and engine ground are new and connections clean. Has anybody > experienced a similar problem? Any advice would be appreciated. > > > Merl Rosenthal > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as richard.ewald@gmail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 03:37:22 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Valda and Merl Rosenthal" , "MG List" Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 09:23:38 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1980 MGB Starter Problems What is the current when it cranks normally? Just one figure doesn't mean much, although 500 when struggling sounds a lot, and implies that the electrical connections are OK and it is something mechanical that is adding load to the starter. You could get an idea if this is the case by comparing the effort of turning the engine by hand in both situations. Another check is to compare the voltage at the battery posts (not the connectors) with at the starter under both situations. However if you are saying that simply removing the wire from the coil allows it to crank normally, then it sounds like over-advanced timing, although I note retarding to zero advance makes no difference. Do the additional current and voltage readings and get back. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >I have an problem with my starter on my 1980 MGB. When the engine gets >warm > my starter struggles to turn it over but always starts. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 11:57:00 2008 From: Barney Gaylord To: "Robert J. Guinness" , MG List Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:56:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB Head gasket reuse anf head bolt torque At 10:50 PM 4/6/2008 -0500, Robert J. Guinness wrote: >In reinstalling the head on my 1963 MGB engine I am using a new >Payen Head gasket. When I torqued the #9 head bolt it broke at 40 >ft/lbs (I used new studs). I have 2 question:s 1. Can I reuse the >new head gasket after it had been torqued to 40 ft/lbs? 2. The >manual says the torque is 50 ft/lbs. Is that correct, or should it >be lower? .... 1.) I will be bold enough to to say yes, you can R&R the head and use the same gaket, as it was not pulled up to full torque and the engine was run. The Payen head gaskets are very good quality and should have no problem with this. 2.) 50 lb-ft torque is correct for the iron head. Some aluminum haed manufactures specify 40. Head studs of original quality will tolerate 50-60 with some safety margin. Any stud that breaks at 40 is definitely sub-standard. If you have just installed a complete new set of studs, one breaking at 40 makes the entire set suspect. If you have no way of testing every individual stud, I would be inclined to return the entire set to the supplier and demand a refund, then buy the next set somewhere else. 3.) You didn't ask this, but there is no reason to buy special high strength head studs for a street engine. It is important for standard (normal strength) studs to be "strong enough" for the application, as in similar quality and strength compared to the original studs. Most people have no way of testing the individual studs, so must rely on the suppliers to get it right. IMHO, any supplier who would allow even one sub-standard stud into a customer's hands is negligent. Customers should demand suitable quality control on fasteners, and suppliers should be responsible enough to do it. If you accept a broken fastener without returning the whole set, the supplier has very little incentive to improve the situation. $.02, Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude (and lots of original head studs) http://MGAguru.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 9 12:13:06 2008 From: "W. David Houser" To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:13:23 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Latest NAMGBR Membership List Listers, When was the last booklet printed. The latest I have is 1997. Is there an updated copy? Need one for the BGT. Dave Houser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 9 13:00:35 2008 From: Dan DiBiase To: "W. David Houser" , mgs@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Latest NAMGBR Membership List Dave, it's included with the Service Recommendations - one booklet. It's come out every year for the past few years. Latest I have is 2007. Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress... '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html ----- Original Message ---- From: W. David Houser To: mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2008 1:13:23 PM Subject: [Mgs] Latest NAMGBR Membership List Listers, When was the last booklet printed. The latest I have is 1997. Is there an updated copy? Need one for the BGT. Dave Houser You are subscribed as d_dibiase@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 9 13:26:06 2008 From: "Rick Brown" To: Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 14:26:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Latest NAMGBR Membership List Dave The latest is 2007 - new one is in the works as we speak. Rick Webmaster for: ___________________________________________________________ http://www.mgcars.org.uk/namgbr - The North American MGB Register http://www.mgcars.org.uk/mgcouncil - North American Council of MG Registers http://www.britishcarclub.net - The Suncoast Classic MG Club and Nature Coast English Car Club ----- Original Message ----- From: "W. David Houser" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 13:13 Subject: [Mgs] Latest NAMGBR Membership List > Listers, > When was the last booklet printed. The latest I have is 1997. Is there > an updated copy? Need one for the BGT. > Dave Houser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 9 18:08:57 2008 From: "Ed Woods" To: "Pat Harris - \"sammler\"" , "MG mailing list Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 19:09:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Caliper rebuild MGB Listers, I'm in the process (still) of rebuilding the calipers from a '72 MGB. There is a metal retainer for the outer (dust?) seal. Is it necessary to renew it or can the outer seal be replaced w/o removing this metal ring? If the ring is removed, how is it replaced w/o spliting the caliper to do so? Ed Woods _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 9 20:48:53 2008 From: "Howard Battan" To: "MG List" Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:49:00 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Oil Formulations OK, I have a question about the lack of zinc in the modern oils. When checking the Castrol Syntec "classic car" oil website, it shows the oil suitable for my '54 TF and for my '57 MGA, but it doesn't list it for post 1973 engines. Is my '79 MGB engine new enough that I don't need the ZDDP protection of the 'classic car' oil? TIA. Howard Battan Anacortes, WA '54 MGTF '57 MGA '79 MGB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 9 21:35:19 2008 From: "Howard Battan" To: "Howard Battan" , "MG List" Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 19:35:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Formulations Thanks, those that responded. That's what I suspected. I'll use it for all three motors. Howard Battan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Battan" To: "MG List" Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 6:49 PM Subject: [Mgs] Oil Formulations > OK, I have a question about the lack of zinc in the modern oils. When > checking the Castrol Syntec "classic car" oil website, it shows the oil > suitable for my '54 TF and for my '57 MGA, but it doesn't list it for post > 1973 engines. Is my '79 MGB engine new enough that I don't need the ZDDP > protection of the 'classic car' oil? > > TIA. > > Howard Battan > Anacortes, WA > '54 MGTF > '57 MGA > '79 MGB > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as battanhr@comcast.net > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 10 11:42:33 2008 From: Bob Howard To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:41:09 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] SU damper springs Where can I find the height at which the damper piston springs are measured, other than in the SU Reference Catalogue that I do not own? Bob _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 10 14:16:20 2008 From: ejrussell@mebtel.net To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:05:11 -1200 Subject: [Mgs] MGB steering wheel & turn signal cancellation I bought a (used) LE steering wheel to use in our '78 MGB. It fits the steering column but I noticed that the original '78 MGB steering wheel has a piece on the back of the hub that appears to fit into a piece in the column to cancel the turn signal. That bit is not there on the back of the LE steering wheel's hub. Is there a piece missing or ? Eric Russell Mebane, NC Login from home, work, school. Anywhere! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 10 14:24:15 2008 From: "Dodd, Kelvin" To: , Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:26:05 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB steering wheel & turn signal cancellation Eric: The original LE hub had a pair of extensions cast into it to operate the turn signal cancellation funcion. These original hubs are getting hard to find and the answer Moss came up with to fit the LE wheels was to use the earlier hub casting, but provide a bolt-on adapter piece that goes on the back of the hub to do the same job. That way, one hub can be used on both early and late cars. If you have one of the Moss repro wheel assemblies, you are missing that adapter piece. One other way that hub suppliers such as Motolita and Mountney get around this problem is to supply roll pins that can be pressed into holes in the back surface of the hub. Hope this helps Kelvin. > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of ejrussell@mebtel.net > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 12:05 PM > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mgs] MGB steering wheel & turn signal cancellation > > I bought a (used) LE steering wheel to use in our '78 MGB. > It fits the steering column but I noticed that the original > '78 MGB steering wheel has a piece on the back of the hub > that appears to fit into a piece in the column to cancel the > turn signal. That bit is not there on the back of the LE > steering wheel's hub. > > Is there a piece missing or ? > > Eric Russell > Mebane, NC > Login from home, work, school. Anywhere! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 10 20:26:13 2008 From: "Eric J Russell" To: "Dodd, Kelvin" , Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:26:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB steering wheel & turn signal cancellation Is the adapter piece available? I quick browse of the steering wheel section of the Moss web page doesn't show anything like that. Eric Russell Mebane, NC http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dodd, Kelvin" > The original LE hub had a pair of extensions cast into it to operate > the turn signal cancellation funcion. These original hubs are > getting hard to find and the answer Moss came up with to fit the LE > wheels was to use the earlier hub casting, but provide a bolt-on > adapter piece that goes on the back of the hub to do the same job. > If you have one of the Moss repro wheel assemblies, you are missing > that adapter piece. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 11 03:36:35 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: , "Bob Howard" Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:22:03 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] SU damper springs Have you tried Google? This came up for me 2nd in the list of returns http://www.burlen.co.uk/sidelinkSearch.aspx?sideLinkID=44 The red spring seems to have been used in all MGBs, i.e. 4.5oz at 2.635in. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Where can I find the height at which the damper piston springs are > measured, other than in the SU Reference Catalogue that I do not own? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 11 03:37:31 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: , Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:29:56 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB steering wheel & turn signal cancellation I made one for a friend with a late model car but an after-market wheel, see http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/wn_suspensionframe.htm and click on 'Steering Wheels'. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >I bought a (used) LE steering wheel to use in our '78 MGB. > It fits the steering column but I noticed that the original > '78 MGB steering wheel has a piece on the back of the hub > that appears to fit into a piece in the column to cancel the > turn signal. That bit is not there on the back of the LE > steering wheel's hub. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 11 08:43:10 2008 From: Bob Howard To: paul.hunt1@blueyonder.co.uk Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:35:52 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] SU damper springs Hi Paul, Thanks for the Burlen site. When tried this morning, the page would not open, so I will try again later. Numerous articles on the rebuilding of our HS and HIS carbs refer to the springs losing their strength over time and the difficulty of identifying springs from which the painted identification has washed off. Des Hammill, in his How To Build and Power Tune SU Carbs, shows one testing springs on a postal scale, but for the compressed height at which one does the testing he refers to page 158 of the SU Reference Catalogue. Someone else implied that the test height is that of the spring compressed at rest when assembled in the carb. If that implied height is a correct height at which to measure on the scale, but that one reference is the only I have seen. Hammill's book says that most 1.5 inch SUs use a type A, red 4.5 oz spring, while the HIF 1.5 inch use a type B spring, red 4.5 oz. He then goes on to discuss different needles and springs best suited for modifications of the engine. Bob On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:22:03 +0100 "Paul Hunt" writes: > Have you tried Google? This came up for me 2nd in the list of > returns > http://www.burlen.co.uk/sidelinkSearch.aspx?sideLinkID=44 The red > spring seems to have been used in all MGBs, i.e. 4.5oz at 2.635in. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Where can I find the height at which the damper piston springs > are measured, other than in the SU Reference Catalogue that I do not > own? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 11 08:44:05 2008 From: "Bob Donahue" To: "mgs" Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:44:35 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] My Engine got the shakes My car suddenly started running real rough at idle to the point of shaking the car. I went to a club meeting 70 mi out of town. The way there it ran perfect. After the meeting, the shakes! I found that the shakes subsided at highway speed. In fact, it ran pretty well on the trip home. Oil pressure and temperature were normal. When I got home the first thing I checked was the motor mounts. They looked ok, and the motor seems nice and firm when I try to shake it by hand. I did find that the vacuum advance on the distributor is not working. I always check this at tune-ups by sucking on the hose that goes to the inlet manifold. Normally, this makes the points plate rotate. Now, it is doing nothing. Does failure of the vacuum advance account for the symptoms I'm encountering (bad idle, not so bad on highway)? Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) Email - bobmgtd@insightbb.com Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 Member: NEMGTR #11470 NAMGBR # 7-3336 Hoosier MGB Club Olde Octagons of Indiana _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 11 09:30:02 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Bob Donahue" , "mgs" Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:27:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] My Engine got the shakes Depends on a couple of factors. North American cars changed from carb vacuum to manifold in 71. If you have carb vacuum then a non-operational, or a leaking, vacuum advance will have no effect at idle, you will only experience loss of mpg when cruising. But if it is manifold vacuum then loss of vacuum advance at idle from a seized points plate will result in a lower idle, which quite likely will result in engine shaking. If the problem is a split vacuum capsule diaphragm then as well as loss of advance at idle you will get a weak mixture which will add to the problem. If you suck and suck on the tube to the distributor, and as well as the points plate not moving you can't draw any air through, then something is seized. If you can draw air through there is a leak in the vacuum line, which usually is the diaphragm, but could also be a split rubber coupling between plastic line and capsule, if that is what you have. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > I did find that the vacuum advance on the distributor is not working. I > always > check this at tune-ups by sucking on the hose that goes to the inlet > manifold. > Normally, this makes the points plate rotate. Now, it is doing nothing. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 11 09:30:42 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Bob Howard" Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:19:36 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] SU damper springs The site opened fine this morning from Google, and again this afternoon from the link in my email, although it did take a few moments to complete the page. There are indeed two red springs - one for what SU Burlen describes as 'normal' suction chambers and one for 'ball bearing' suction chambers. >From the Parts catalogue the spring is AUC 4387 in all cases, i.e. HS and HIF for the 4-cylinder MGB, i.e. the 'normal' suction chamber as described on the Burlen site. The resistance at the given distance may well equate to what it is compressed to in the piston cover, but it doesn't matter how it is compressed, it should have the given resistance at the given distance, i.e. you can test it on a postal scale, which will be much easier than trying to test it inside a piston cover, even if you have been able to confirm the compressed distance. Springs will indeed lose their resistance over time and heat cycles. If you test yours and it is close to the spec then it should be OK. However any spring can be tweaked to give a given resistance at a given distance, to be sure you really need two weights at different distances. A 'heavy' spring could give much more resistance at a shorter distance, and a 'light' spring much less, even though they both may give the correct weight at the given distance. If your car runs OK, i.e. you aren't chasing some really weird problem that varies with throttle opening, and your spring meets the spec, especially if it has the right paint colour, then I'd day your springs are fine. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Thanks for the Burlen site. When tried this morning, the page would > not open, so I will try again later. > ... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 11 09:40:42 2008 From: WSpohn4@aol.com To: barneymg@mgaguru.com, mgs@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:40:52 EDT Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB Head gasket reuse anf head bolt torque Ditch any of the original MGA style (most have '22' on the top. Many of the later better studs just have a centre pop in the tops. Bill In a message dated 08/04/2008 9:57:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, barneymg@mgaguru.com writes: 2.) 50 lb-ft torque is correct for the iron head. Some aluminum haed manufactures specify 40. Head studs of original quality will tolerate 50-60 with some safety margin. Any stud that breaks at 40 is definitely sub-standard. If you have just installed a complete new set of studs, one breaking at 40 makes the entire set suspect. If you have no way of testing every individual stud, I would be inclined to return the entire set to the supplier and demand a refund, then buy the next set somewhere else. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 13 13:34:53 2008 From: "Larry Daniels" To: Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:34:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bugeye Group..... Re: Guest Speaker on Oil Formulations The 20w50. We put this session on with our Brit Car Club in conjunction with the local Porsche club and the 356 club. The Porsche guys brought one of their favorite custom painters along who also sells this oil. I picked up 2 cases from him @ $47.50 ea. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: rrengineer@dslextreme.com To: bugeye@yahoogroups.com Cc: Spridgets List ; mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com ; MG List ; bugeye@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:29 PM Subject: Re: Bugeye Group..... Re: Guest Speaker on Oil Formulations (LONG) Larry, Did he say the 15/40 Brad Penn oil or the 20/50 racing Brad Penn is what we should use in our cars? LN Engineering sells both and more inexpensive than I can find other places on the web. Mike MacLean 60 Sprite 56 BN2 > He likes Brad Penn and Swepco 306. > Larry Daniels > > > __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar If you want to unsubscribe from the Bugeye Interest Group, please send a blank email to: bugeye-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com If you no longer want to receive emails, but wish to remain a member of the group, you may go to the website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bugeye/ and change your subscription to "Web Only" and you will not receive any emails. Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 3New Members Visit Your Group Y! Sports for TV Game Day Companion Live fantasy league & game stats on TV. Yahoo! News Odd News You won't believe it, but it's true Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. . __,_._,___ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 13 13:40:35 2008 From: Derek Vandivere To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:41:04 +0200 Subject: [Mgs] Help - can't get new top back up! Well, my new mohair top may stay in pretty good shape forever - I can't get the top back up! Figuring it was more than I could do myself, I hired my garage to do it (and as always, the initial quote was off by 50%). Picked up the B a few weeks ago, and the mechanic said I should try to leave the top up until it gets rained on so the material can stretch out a bit, since it was such a tight fit. So, no problem living in Amsterdam; first time I took it out, it got rained on for half an hour and I kept the top up so it'd soak in. So, today, we finally go out for our first drive ever with the Dutch MG club. A hailstorm is not the best time to find out you can't get the top back up. It's as if the frame is too high - trying to close the two clips seems like it's pushing the tabs into the window frame (as in, straight forward) and not into the slot (as in, diagonally downward). I've been dumping water on the top for the past four hours and trying to get the damn top closed. Still no luck. So, is this a normal break-in kind of thing to have to deal with? The top can clearly go up somehow, since it was up when I picked it up from the mechanic. I just have visions of four of his assistants standing on top of the header bar to get the thing closed, given the amount of force I've been using... And of course we're off on a five day driving holiday to Scotland at the end of the month. I'd really rather not take the Saab... Derek, at least it was a good drive! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 13 17:12:24 2008 From: "Chad Cooper" To: "'Derek Vandivere'" Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:11:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Help - can't get new top back up! Push up in the middle of the frame on both sides (about middle of the door or top of the side window) to make the frame arch more -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+mgb72=airmail.net@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+mgb72=airmail.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Derek Vandivere Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:41 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Help - can't get new top back up! Well, my new mohair top may stay in pretty good shape forever - I can't get the top back up! Figuring it was more than I could do myself, I hired my garage to do it (and as always, the initial quote was off by 50%). Picked up the B a few weeks ago, and the mechanic said I should try to leave the top up until it gets rained on so the material can stretch out a bit, since it was such a tight fit. So, no problem living in Amsterdam; first time I took it out, it got rained on for half an hour and I kept the top up so it'd soak in. So, today, we finally go out for our first drive ever with the Dutch MG club. A hailstorm is not the best time to find out you can't get the top back up. It's as if the frame is too high - trying to close the two clips seems like it's pushing the tabs into the window frame (as in, straight forward) and not into the slot (as in, diagonally downward). I've been dumping water on the top for the past four hours and trying to get the damn top closed. Still no luck. So, is this a normal break-in kind of thing to have to deal with? The top can clearly go up somehow, since it was up when I picked it up from the mechanic. I just have visions of four of his assistants standing on top of the header bar to get the thing closed, given the amount of force I've been using... And of course we're off on a five day driving holiday to Scotland at the end of the month. I'd really rather not take the Saab... Derek, at least it was a good drive! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 14 04:00:39 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Derek Vandivere" , Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:00:28 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Help - can't get new top back up! It's quite easy to cut the fabric too short then it needs 'a team of horses' to pull it shut as Lindsay Porter warns in his restoration book. If lifting the centre bars of the frame up doesn't help, then take it back and watch them do it. If they struggle and it takes more than one of them, then insist they do it again. It should close easily to the last 1/4" or so, when you use the clips to pull it taut. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- ... A hailstorm is not the best time to find out you can't get the top back up. It's as if the frame is too high - trying to close the two clips seems like it's pushing the tabs into the window frame (as in, straight forward) and not into the slot (as in, diagonally downward). _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 14 09:04:53 2008 From: Bob Howard To: paul.hunt@blueyonder.co.uk Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:03:53 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] SU Carb damper springs Paul, More to last week's writings about damper springs: Jim Taylor, retired design engineer, wrote this for the Jaguar Club. www.jcna.com/library/tech0006.html A piston spring combined with the weight of the aluminium piston provides the necessary downward force to maintain essentially a constant pressure loss (depression) at the throat of the carburettor. The springs are initially color coded with paint for identification. The paint disappears with time. Common piston springs are as follows: Code Force in Oz @height Blue 2.5 oz 2 5/8 inch Red 4.5 oz 2 5/8 inch Yellow 8.0 oz 2 3/4 inch Green 12.0 oz 3 inch Red & Green 11.25 oz 3 7/8 inch It is difficult to identify springs visually since ones with the same load rating may have different free lenghts, different wire diameter, and different number of coils. The springs may also sag slightly with age and use. To identify and check for proper specification I have made cylindrical weights from aluminium bar stock corresponding to the above table. I put the spring in a glass tube with the correct weight on top of it and measure the compressed height. If the spring is too tall it must be replaced. If it is not over 1/2" too short it usually can be stretched. Springs can be brough back exactly to spec and matched with each other. A squirt from a can of paint will serve for future identifcation. Jim's idea of using a weight and keeping the spring contained in a glass tube is likely to be more accurate than the way I did it ( before I lost my table of spring heights). I marked a dowel with the height, then held spring with dowel inside on a scale, pressed down on the spring with the specified force and read the height off the marked dowel. Bob _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 14 09:05:32 2008 From: Bob Howard To: derek@vandivere.net Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:13:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Help - can't get new top back up! Fabrics usually shrink when wet. Your dumping water on it is causing the fabric to shrink, not expand. Try putting the top up as far as it will go, letting it dry in the sun, then closing and clipping it in place. Repeat the water soaking again, let dry, and the fabric will be a bit looser than before. Bob > So, today, we finally go out for our first drive ever with the Dutch > MG club. A hailstorm is not the best time to find out you can't get the > top back up. It's as if the frame is too high - trying to close the two > clips seems like it's pushing the tabs into the window frame (as in, > straight forward) and not into the slot (as in, diagonally > downward). > I've been dumping water on the top for the past four hours and > trying to get the damn top closed. Still no luck. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 14 10:28:29 2008 From: Aaron Whiteman To: MG Mailing List Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:28:49 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Of paint and lights After waiting for my Very Trusted British Car Guy to make room for me for about 5 years (David B. MGA was in line ahead of me, and then something else, and then reconfiguring the paint booth....), I started looking for a local painter. The first one I found was really flaky, so after waiting for him to finish a Chevy by the end of December (AFAIK, still not done), I searched again. The upside, my "red for now" MGB goes to the body man in about 3 weeks. I did some major deconstruction yesterday to prep. The more I do, the less he has to do. Anyway, two questions. I want to repaint it green, but the BRG that I've seen is a little "yellow" for my tastes, and the original color (Tundra) is Right Out. My local parts house has PPG books, but they only go back to 1981. However the (ick spit!) Triumph "Racing Green Poly" looked nice in a chip. Has anybody seen this color in the flesh. I'm looking for opinions as well, would a semi-metallic look right on the B? Second, I've discovered as I took parts apart that not only do my side markers not work, they are broken. Since I'm spending more than I budgeted on the paint, new lamps from Moss are quite a lot of cash to spend (even with dealer discounts--I'm not asking for sales calls Ed). Is the quality there to justify the cost? -- Aaron Whiteman -- http://www.panix.com/~awhitema/ '75 MGB (red for now), HIF4 carbs '06 Subaru Impreza Outback _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 14 10:53:45 2008 From: Carl French To: Aaron Whiteman , MG Mailing List Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Of paint and lights You were shown light BRG which was on the very early B. You probably want 'dark' BRG which came in the mid 60's. The teglerizer site offer codes among other places. Carl French Aaron Whiteman wrote: After waiting for my Very Trusted British Car Guy to make room for me for about 5 years (David B. MGA was in line ahead of me, and then something else, and then reconfiguring the paint booth....), I started looking for a local painter. The first one I found was really flaky, so after waiting for him to finish a Chevy by the end of December (AFAIK, still not done), I searched again. The upside, my "red for now" MGB goes to the body man in about 3 weeks. I did some major deconstruction yesterday to prep. The more I do, the less he has to do. Anyway, two questions. I want to repaint it green, but the BRG that I've seen is a little "yellow" for my tastes, and the original color (Tundra) is Right Out. My local parts house has PPG books, but they only go back to 1981. However the (ick spit!) Triumph "Racing Green Poly" looked nice in a chip. Has anybody seen this color in the flesh. I'm looking for opinions as well, would a semi-metallic look right on the B? Second, I've discovered as I took parts apart that not only do my side markers not work, they are broken. Since I'm spending more than I budgeted on the paint, new lamps from Moss are quite a lot of cash to spend (even with dealer discounts--I'm not asking for sales calls Ed). Is the quality there to justify the cost? -- Aaron Whiteman -- http://www.panix.com/~awhitema/ '75 MGB (red for now), HIF4 carbs '06 Subaru Impreza Outback You are subscribed as leylandauto@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 14 11:15:01 2008 From: Eric Erickson To: MG list Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:45:05 +0930 Subject: [Mgs] Track shots I was too busy to take many photos on the weekend but here are the few that I did take, http://www.flickr.com/photos/25662647@N07/ I also took a bit of in-car video and I will upload that somewhere (probably YouTube) when I get a chance to edit it. Enjoy. Eric '68 MGB MkII Adelaide, South Australia _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 14 13:36:59 2008 From: Dan DiBiase To: Aaron Whiteman , MG Mailing List Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:37:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Of paint and lights I'm partial to Brooklands Green myself..... But I like Tundra as well! Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress... '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html ----- Original Message ---- From: Aaron Whiteman To: MG Mailing List Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:28:49 AM Subject: [Mgs] Of paint and lights After waiting for my Very Trusted British Car Guy to make room for me for about 5 years (David B. MGA was in line ahead of me, and then something else, and then reconfiguring the paint booth....), I started looking for a local painter. The first one I found was really flaky, so after waiting for him to finish a Chevy by the end of December (AFAIK, still not done), I searched again. The upside, my "red for now" MGB goes to the body man in about 3 weeks. I did some major deconstruction yesterday to prep. The more I do, the less he has to do. Anyway, two questions. I want to repaint it green, but the BRG that I've seen is a little "yellow" for my tastes, and the original color (Tundra) is Right Out. My local parts house has PPG books, but they only go back to 1981. However the (ick spit!) Triumph "Racing Green Poly" looked nice in a chip. Has anybody seen this color in the flesh. I'm looking for opinions as well, would a semi-metallic look right on the B? Second, I've discovered as I took parts apart that not only do my side markers not work, they are broken. Since I'm spending more than I budgeted on the paint, new lamps from Moss are quite a lot of cash to spend (even with dealer discounts--I'm not asking for sales calls Ed). Is the quality there to justify the cost? -- Aaron Whiteman -- http://www.panix.com/~awhitema/ '75 MGB (red for now), HIF4 carbs '06 Subaru Impreza Outback You are subscribed as d_dibiase@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 15 03:10:07 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:58:39 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Help - can't get new top back up! That occurred to me after I posted. Telling you to get it wet *while fastened* was their way of saying they had done it too tight and it needed to be stretched! If you don't have any sun - or warm sun, close the roof as much as you can and put a fan heater in the cabin. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Fabrics usually shrink when wet. Your dumping water on it is causing > the fabric to shrink, not expand. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 15 06:24:50 2008 From: Dan DiBiase To: Eric Erickson , MG list Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Track shots Good pics, Eric, looking forward to seeing the video. I like the RV8's, too. Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress... '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html ----- Original Message ---- From: Eric Erickson To: MG list Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 12:15:05 PM Subject: [Mgs] Track shots I was too busy to take many photos on the weekend but here are the few that I did take, http://www.flickr.com/photos/25662647@N07/ I also took a bit of in-car video and I will upload that somewhere (probably YouTube) when I get a chance to edit it. Enjoy. Eric '68 MGB MkII Adelaide, South Australia You are subscribed as d_dibiase@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 15 10:28:39 2008 From: Eric Erickson To: MG list Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:59:03 +0930 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Track shots On 15/04/2008, at 8:55 PM, Dan DiBiase wrote: > Good pics, Eric, looking forward to seeing the video. I like the > RV8's, too. > Thanks, it is a pity you get so involved in doing what you are doing that you don't get the time to get around and take lots of snaps. It is also a pity that I have never got any "external" video of the car on the track. I must try and get a friend to go up and do this some time. In the meantime I just did a rough edit of some of my in-car video. Nothing exciting and no other cars close (except that Alfa I passed.. and yes, he DID jump the start, grrr), but it lets you see how we start these "Super Sprints". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm5dIJ20-is Enjoy (and pardon the wind noise). Oh yeah, this next video is fellow a fellow club member, great racer and all-round nice guy in his fantastic MG TC Special (love those skinny tyres) doing the same track and showing up a Clubman. That TC has a great historic racing pedigree and it is still blowing some modern cars away! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2Qt4WsCa7U Enjoy (and note he got rid of the wind noise - which I will do next time). Eric '68 MGB MkII Adelaide, South Australia _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 15 20:36:20 2008 From: "davewillner" To: Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:36:33 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Need an original wiper arm for a 70 B I've decided to polish up the original wiper arms on the MG this week and replace the aftermarkets. The originals have a Philips set screw that tightens against a small square threaded block that more or less grips the wiper spindle to keep it in place. Well, one of the screws and this threaded nut is missing and I've looked all over. Does anyone have either an original arm (any condition) with the screw and nut, or just an extra screw and nut? Appreciate the help, thanks Dave Willner Stroudsburg, PA 59 TR3A Apple Green 70 MGB BRG 70 BSA 441 Victor Special _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 09:25:41 2008 From: "W. David Houser" To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:25:36 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Faulty fuel gauge Listers, Noticed recently that my fuel gauge on my 67 BGT hasn't been working correctly. Sometimes it does, sometimes it never moves off empty with a full tank. Somewhat disconcerting. If it reacts, it reacts very slowly. What should I be checking? Bad ground somewhere? TIA, Dave Houser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 09:38:16 2008 From: "Richard Gosling" To: "W. David Houser" Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:32:10 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Faulty fuel gauge Sounds like a poor connection between the gauge and the tank to me. Remove, clean and re-assemble the connections at both the gauge and the tank. If you still have problems, check out your wiring diagram and see if there are any intermediate bullet connectors that may have deteriorated. It could also be in the wiring between the ignition switch and the gauge - trace the live supply back from the gauge to the next bullet connector and check out its condition. Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT) On 4/17/08, W. David Houser wrote: > > Listers, > Noticed recently that my fuel gauge on my 67 BGT hasn't been working > correctly. > Sometimes it does, sometimes it never moves off empty with a full > tank. Somewhat disconcerting. > If it reacts, it reacts very slowly. > What should I be checking? Bad ground somewhere? > TIA, > Dave Houser > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as rbgosling@googlemail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 20:17:18 2008 From: Mike Duvall To: british-cars@autox.team.net, mgs mgs Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:17:28 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MG TD for sale I'm selling my TD as well. It is a sharp awarding winning car. It has a very original look with a couple of minor personal color touches. I bought a TA to restore and already have B and A drivers so Imy time, money and garage space is pretty stretched not to mention that my kids are getting close to college age. Anyone interested can see a slough of pictures at http:// homepage.mac.com/duvallvideo/MG/index.html Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 22:37:18 2008 From: "Craig" To: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:37:38 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] [mgs] British Bash British Bash ----- Original Message ----- From: Adam Burckle To: Bash Group 1 Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:39 AM Subject: British Bash The 24th annual British Bash is coming June 6 & 7th! This plus the sunny weather, top down weather, driving weather is a big reason to get your car out and running... to sign up for Pre-Registration which ends in just 17 days! Pre-Registration BONUS ends soon! a.. Don't miss your chance to save up to 30% on your registration by entering now! b.. If you pre register you also receive a Dash Plaque, this is the ONLY way to get one! c.. No waiting in a registration line, drive in and enjoy the show, VIP service! d.. Register NOW online at www.BritishBash.com Featured Marque This years Featured Marque is Healey, featuring Austin Healey's, Jensen Healey's, Nash Healey and the Original Healey brand that started it all. Show within a Show: As a huge success the Bash last year featured it's first Show within a Show, with the gathering of the North American Spitfire Squadron. Due to the overwhelming success, this year the Jaguar Drivers Club Area 51 2008 Jaguar Concours will be held at this years Bash. So as an added bonus you get a show within a show! Don't sit on the side lines and let another year pass you by! Come support the British Bash, remember this benefits St. Joseph's Children's home and last year we raised over $4,000 for St. Joe's and the Children! Help us top it this year! For more info visit the website at www.BritishBash.com or contact Craig Holmes at: cbhlouky@bellsouth.net . . . . _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 23:02:10 2008 From: "Craig" To: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:58:55 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] [mgs] British Bash British BashLocated in Louisville, Kentucky! ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig To: mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:37 PM Subject: [mgs] British Bash The 24th annual British Bash is coming June 6 & 7th! This plus the sunny weather, top down weather, driving weather is a big reason to get your car out and running... to sign up for Pre-Registration which ends in just 17 days! Pre-Registration BONUS ends soon! Don't miss your chance to save up to 30% on your registration by entering now! If you pre register you also receive a Dash Plaque, this is the ONLY way to get one! No waiting in a registration line, drive in and enjoy the show, VIP service! Register NOW online at www.BritishBash.com Featured Marque This years Featured Marque is Healey, featuring Austin Healey's, Jensen Healey's, Nash Healey and the Original Healey brand that started it all. Show within a Show: As a huge success the Bash last year featured it's first Show within a Show, with the gathering of the North American Spitfire Squadron. Due to the overwhelming success, this year the Jaguar Drivers Club Area 51 2008 Jaguar Concours will be held at this years Bash. So as an added bonus you get a show within a show! Don't sit on the side lines and let another year pass you by! Come support the British Bash, remember this benefits St. Joseph's Children's home and last year we raised over $4,000 for St. Joe's and the Children! Help us top it this year! For more info visit the website at www.BritishBash.com or contact Craig Holmes at: cbhlouky@bellsouth.net . . . . _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 00:33:28 2008 From: Mike Duvall To: british-cars@autox.team.net, mgs mgs Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:33:01 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MG TD for sale - easier link Here's an easier link to my TD http://tinyurl.com/32rm5g > > I'm selling my TD as well. It is a sharp awarding winning car. It > has a very original look with a couple of minor personal color > touches. I bought a TA to restore and already have B and A drivers > so Imy time, money and garage space is pretty stretched not to > mention that my kids are getting close to college age. > > Anyone interested can see a slough of pictures at http:// > homepage.mac.com/duvallvideo/MG/index.html > > Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 04:15:41 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "W. David Houser" , Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:07:29 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Faulty fuel gauge Other than on the very first MGBs with the Jaeger gauges the ancillary gauges are slow acting as they are thermal using a heater to bend a bi-metallic strip, which takes time. Is this a 67 with dual temp and oil gauge or separate? If separate and it's only the fuel gauge that isn't working or you have the dual gauge then when it isn't working and with the ignition on (disconnect a coil wire to stop it overheating) connect a known good ground to the green/black connector at the tank, just long enough to see if the gauge starts rising. If it does the wiring from there back to the gauge is OK, so move the ground to the body of the sender - you might have to scratch a clean bit. If the gauge moves up again then the ground is bad, this comes from a bolt for the number plate. If the gauge doesn't move here, but did when on the green/black at the tank, the sender is bad. If grounding the green/black at the tank didn't move the gauge find that wire where the rear harness joins the main harness in the mass of connectors by the fusebox. Connect a ground here, and if that works it is probably bad connections in that bullet connector. If still no gauge movement, even on the cleaned bullet of the wire coming from the main harness, then you need to get at the back of the fuel gauge and connect a ground to the green/black (not the light-green/green). If the gauge works now there is a break between it and the connector by the fusebox but that is unlikely on a 67. If still no movement check for 12v switching on and off about once per second (that is the action of the ironically named 'stabiliser'). If you see that both terminals of the gauge, or it is definitely on the light-green/green terminal but not the green/black, the gauge is faulty. If on neither and you have separate gauges and the oil gauge is OK the light-green/green between the fuel and oil gauges is broken. If none of the separate gauges are working, or you have the dual gauge, either the stabiliser itself will be faulty (you have 12v on the green at the stabiliser) or the 12v fused ignition supply (green wire) feeding it is broken (no 12v at the stabiliser green). The 12v supply to here comes direct from the fusebox, and goes on to feed the tach and heater switch. So if these are working it must be the stabiliser or the connections to it. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Noticed recently that my fuel gauge on my 67 BGT hasn't been working > correctly. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 14:26:58 2008 From: ejrussell@mebtel.net To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 06:45:51 -1200 Subject: [Mgs] OT - Merrit Parkway, CT, USA Actually only slightly OT as I will be towing a trailer with an MGB on it. Am I allowed on the Merrit Parkway towing the trailer? Eric Russell Mebane, NC Login from home, work, school. Anywhere! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 16:58:45 2008 From: Aeseeyou@aol.com To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:42:59 EDT Subject: [Mgs] 18th Annual CCBCC All British Car Show Hi, Just a reminder: The Central Coast British Car Club of California is hosting our 18th Annual All British Car (and 'Cycle) Show on July 27th, 2008. The featured Marque of the Show will be all "Austin-Healey's" with a special emphasis on The Austin-Healey Sprite "Bugeye's" 50th Anniversary it was introduced in 1958 and went on to become one of the most beloved "small" sports cars of all time, the perfect compliment to the BIG Austin-Healey's. Of course all other British Cars are welcome and will be grouped with others of the same marque. The British Car Show will be held at the Channel Islands Yacht Harbor at 3600 Harbor Blvd. Oxnard Beach, CA. Show hours will be from 9:00 AM to 3:30 PM or until the end of the awards ceremony. A Pre-registration fee of $35.00 per car will include a special commemorative Tee-shirt. Cut off date for the Pre-Registration will be July 16th, 2008--After that and at the gate the day of the show Vehicle registration will be $35.00 per vehicle without a Tee-Shirt! Day of show commemorative Tee shirts will be $15.00 ea. Our Annual British Car show is located in a beautiful park like setting alongside banks of the Channel Islands Yacht Harbor and there's plenty of room for you to relax and have a picnic along with a great day checking out all of the beautiful British automobiles. We expect to have over 200 LBXC's of all makes and models From vintage and classic Concours to daily drivers We'll have a swap meet where you or your group can sell or trade your British car parts or? There will also be Food and Beverage Vendors where you can grab a bite to eat if you want. A DJ will play Live Music all day as well as announce The winners of the events "All Day Raffle. For information and registration form contact Club President Gary Rice at (805) 649-3290 or email him at: _gary.rice@worldnet.att.net_ (mailto:gary.rice@worldnet.att.net) Also: Dave Wellwood at (805) 469-7842 email: _dswellwood@hotmail.com_ (mailto:dswellwood@hotmail.com) Albert Escalante CCBCC Ventura, CA **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 18:15:44 2008 From: Aeseeyou@aol.com To: shop@justbrits.com, mgs@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:50:33 EDT Subject: Re: [Mgs] 18th Annual CCBCC All British Car Show In a message dated 4/18/2008 3:22:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, shop@justbrits.com writes: Albert!!! <> What the Hell is a LBXC please??????????????????????? Whoops! That's what I happens from eating candy and drooling it onto my keyboard Twixt the "X" and the "C"....8^) I'm just a dirty old drooler I guess. I cleaned the keyboard with an exacto knife so it should be OK until I Drool on it again. I didn't spell check my text bcuz I's tu smark fur that! I used to have a tee shirt that read "Too dumb to speak, too proud to grunt and groan!" So Solly Ed Albert **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 18:45:18 2008 From: "Blair J. Weiss" To: , Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:22:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] OT - Merrit Parkway, CT, USA Eric, I am pretty sure your not... but I could be wrong, I know you cannot be commercial (ie a truck) but things have changed... worst case you hit 95, instead. Heading north or south? not that it matters for the merrit... Blair ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 2:45 PM Subject: [Mgs] OT - Merrit Parkway, CT, USA > Actually only slightly OT as I will be towing a trailer with > an MGB on it. > > Am I allowed on the Merrit Parkway towing the trailer? > > Eric Russell > Mebane, NC > Login from home, work, school. Anywhere! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as blair@ifd.mv.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 18:46:48 2008 From: "Eric J Russell" To: Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:36:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] OT - Merrit Parkway, CT, USA Heading north. A friend bought a rust-free NC MGB (non-running) and I am trailering it from NC to MA for him. I hate the southern CT end of I-95. I've had no issues driving the Merrit Parkway with my F-250 (non-commercial vehicle) but I wasn't sure about towing the trailer. Oh, well. I-95 it is. Eric Russell Mebane, NC http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell ----- Original Message ----- > I am pretty sure your not... but I could be wrong, I know you > cannot be commercial (ie a truck) but things have changed... worst > case you hit 95, instead. Heading north or south? not that it > matters for the merrit... > > > Blair _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 19:18:33 2008 From: "Jim Juhas" To: ejrussell@mebtel.net,mgs@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:19:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] OT - Merrit Parkway, CT, USA No, not t all. Nothing in tow is allowed except tow trucks by special permit. Jim 1957 MGA #311 Connecticut -----Original Message----- From: ejrussell@mebtel.net Subj: [Mgs] OT - Merrit Parkway, CT, USA Date: Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:27 pm Size: 437 bytes To: mgs@autox.team.net Actually only slightly OT as I will be towing a trailer with an MGB on it. Am I allowed on the Merrit Parkway towing the trailer? Eric Russell Mebane, NC Login from home, work, school. Anywhere! You are subscribed as james.f.juhas@snet.net Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 19:52:53 2008 From: Mike Janacek To: ejrussell@mebtel.net Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:53:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] OT - Merrit Parkway, CT, USA As others have said...not allowed. See here: http://www.ct.gov/dot/cwp/view.asp?A=2137&Q=294976 Mike '79B ejrussell@mebtel.net wrote: > Actually only slightly OT as I will be towing a trailer with > an MGB on it. > > Am I allowed on the Merrit Parkway towing the trailer? > > Eric Russell > Mebane, NC > Login from home, work, school. Anywhere! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as mjanacek@snet.net > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 01:49:11 2008 From: Eric Erickson To: MG list Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:19:21 +0930 Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: Have a lovely and safe weekend, everyone. Begin forwarded message: > > I would like to take this moment to remind people to: > > Buckle up. > Watch the traffic in front of you (and particularly read the > traffic ahead of the car in front of you). > Keep your correct distance from the car in front of you. > > Drive safely and have a lovely weekend. > > To the young girls in the car in front of me that stopped in the > middle of Port Road for no discernible reason - and to the young > girl driving the car behind me who didn't seem to notice that I was > not going to drive through that stopped car and who didn't pay > attention to my brake lights. > > GO TAKE SOME DAMN DRIVING LESSONS - NOW! > > I may be a wonderful driver but when you have no place to go... you > have no place to go to avoid stupid people driving with their eyes > shut! > > > Grrrrrrrrrr [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 100_0450.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 100_0455.jpg] Eric '68 MGB MkII Adelaide, South Australia _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 02:47:32 2008 From: Eric Erickson To: MG list Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:17:55 +0930 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fwd: Have a lovely and safe weekend, everyone. On 19/04/2008, at 4:19 PM, Eric Erickson wrote: > Begin forwarded message: >> >> I would like to take this moment to remind people to: >> >> Buckle up. >> Watch the traffic in front of you (and particularly read the >> traffic ahead of the car in front of you). >> Keep your correct distance from the car in front of you. >> >> Sorry about the attached images (that get discarded by the list - I can send them to you if you want them :-) - it just shows how distracted and grumpy I was. Yes, someone hit me up the rear when I had to brake fairly hard (but not hard enough to lock up my tires) to stop behind a car that slowed dramatically in the middle of the road. Luckily we had only just taken off from traffic lights so weren't going all that fast - but I had no-where to escape to with traffic on my left and right. When I was braking I could see the person behind wasn't stopping so I let my car jump forward further hoping it would give the car behind me enough room to stop but I ran out of room to go forward and she hit me. Luckily I was hard on the brakes by that time so I didn't get pushed into the car in front. Car is driveable but the over-riders have been pushed into the rear valance, the boot lid (that escaped damage the last time I got hit in the rear) has a score mark under the lock and I have just noticed it has bent my exhaust under the car - I hope it hasn't put pressure on the extractors. And to top it all off, I have just noticed I have a sore wrist and fingers (the high-back race seat protected my neck). Have a nice weekend, everyone. Eric '68 MGB MkII Adelaide, South Australia _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 07:06:36 2008 From: "Eric J Russell" To: Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:04:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] OT - Merrit Parkway, CT, USA Thanks for all the replies. Looks like the Merrit Parkway is out. I-95 it is. (Heading for Kingston, MA - near Plymouth). If you see a dark blue F-250 pulling a yellow trailer with a green MGB on it, wave! Eric Russell Mebane, NC http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 11:33:36 2008 From: rfeibusch1@earthlink.net To: MG-T@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:33:59 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Mgs] FYI - Good deal on MGTc on Craigslist in NorCal Gang, To good not to post! Check it out Best, Rick Feibusch Meet Coordinator, The Sierra Point Marina British Car Meet Tour, Swap Meet and Show in Brisbane, CA Sept 6th & 7th, 2008 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/car/646614249.html MG TC 1948 - $13000 (Downieville, CA) Reply to: sale-646614249@craigslist.org Date: 2008-04-17, 10:05PM PDT This is an all original 1948 MGTC. The car has never been restored, has had fix its and repairs, runs well, cries out for a total restoration, not something I want to tackle. Engine is a BMC "goldstar" replacement, probably from the 1960s era so engine # does not match ID plate. Engine is an authentic XPAG. Side curtains will need new fabric and windows, frames are ok. Top is ok. I've been driving the car in summers for last two years. Tires are good, wheels are chrome, some pitting. Seats are covered in maroon vinyl, good shape. Needs new door hinges, have a replacement generator w/ tach drive. Price very fair and very firm. Don't even....Contact via e-mail.. for info. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 19:04:39 2008 From: To: Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:04:10 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgs] ???? Folks, who is the gent that is on Long Island?? Dave something, I think??? Tnx!! Ed _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 19:37:54 2008 From: "Norm 2Bs" To: , "MG Digest" Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:38:11 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Mgs] Fwd: Have a lovely and safe weekend, everyone. Eric: Was she on a cell phone, or fixing her lipstick? It's idiots like her that kept me from driving my Mineral Blue MGB here in Florida. Are all of these people on cell phones getting instructions on how to drive? What is it? The drivers here are bad under normal circumstances. Distract them a tiny bit & it's no wonder there are so many accidents. Norm Sippel now occasionally driving a bright red '60 Alfa. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 19:38:06 2008 From: "Norm 2Bs" To: , "MG Digest" Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:38:11 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] OT - Merrit Parkway, CT, USA Mike: Thanks for the regs. Coming back from Lime Rock, a neighbor when I lived in Fairfield used to drop off Rt. 8 onto the Merritt to Black Rock Tpk. exit in Fairfield while I took the I-95 route. He may still be doing that. Guess he just kept missing the cops. Norm Sippel now in Florida _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 20 12:11:28 2008 From: don To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 09:04:46 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] MGB blue top Hello list, I am looking at buying an early B roadster that is iris blue. Trying to assess what different things I would change, one item is the top. Some of the iris blue cars were fitted with blue tops when new. This particular car has a black cloth top which I would like to replace. Anyway, anyone out there know where a top can be purchased that is as close to the original blue one as possible, colour and material? Or perhaps they aren't available anymore? If not, what is the best black top that is most like original ones? Thanks! Don Scott -- Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 04/19/2008 11:31 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 20 12:20:23 2008 From: Carl French To: don , mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB blue top Don, Jeff Zorn at The Little British Car Co lists dark blue tops for early folding frames. I had one of his tops in the past for my 67 and it was a great product. I do not see a stow away option for that color but I would talk to him directly and see if he can help you. Carl French http://www.lbcarco.com/ don wrote: Hello list, I am looking at buying an early B roadster that is iris blue. Trying to assess what different things I would change, one item is the top. Some of the iris blue cars were fitted with blue tops when new. This particular car has a black cloth top which I would like to replace. Anyway, anyone out there know where a top can be purchased that is as close to the original blue one as possible, colour and material? Or perhaps they aren't available anymore? If not, what is the best black top that is most like original ones? Thanks! Don Scott -- Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 04/19/2008 11:31 AM You are subscribed as leylandauto@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 08:07:15 2008 From: Dan DiBiase To: Eric J Russell , MG List Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] OT - Merrit Parkway, CT, USA Eric, try not to hit I-95 in western CT on a Friday evening. It sucks big-time! Basically one long traffic jam from Stamford to New Haven. Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress... '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html ----- Original Message ---- From: Eric J Russell To: mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 8:04:01 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] OT - Merrit Parkway, CT, USA Thanks for all the replies. Looks like the Merrit Parkway is out. I-95 it is. (Heading for Kingston, MA - near Plymouth). If you see a dark blue F-250 pulling a yellow trailer with a green MGB on it, wave! Eric Russell Mebane, NC http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell You are subscribed as d_dibiase@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 08:40:24 2008 From: Bob Howard To: ejrussell@mebtel.net Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:24:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] OT - Merrit Parkway, CT, USA Merrit Parkway does not permit trailers at all, and trucks above 12,000 lbs or so. Worse is Hutchinson River, the New York extension of the Merrit, that does not permit even small pickup trucks. Where are you travelling, Eric. I am in CT and will try to route you. Bob On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 06:45:51 -1200 ejrussell@mebtel.net writes: > Actually only slightly OT as I will be towing a trailer with > an MGB on it. > > Am I allowed on the Merrit Parkway towing the trailer? > > Eric Russell > Mebane, NC > Login from home, work, school. Anywhere! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 08:42:34 2008 From: Tuck Southworth To: mg info list Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:43:03 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] FW: Nuffield Oxford This was passed on to me by a friend and thought it might be of interest A Home for sale with a rich MG history --------------Forwarded Message: Subj: Date: 4/17/2008 5:11:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time From: MGDRIVER@woh.rr.com To: MGDRIVER@woh.rr.com Sent from the Internet (Details) stumbled across something when surfing the web, thought might be of interest It seems as though Nuffield College is selling William Morris home. Evidently remains as he left it when he died. The group that managed public access to it is trying to raise money to purchase it. Click on the following link to have a look: http://www.nuffield-place.com/Save%20Nuffield%20Place.htm Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 10:32:45 2008 From: Dan DiBiase To: Eric Erickson , MG list Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fwd: Have a lovely and safe weekend, everyone. Sorry to hear that, Eric.... Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress... '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html ----- Original Message ---- From: Eric Erickson To: MG list Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 3:47:55 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fwd: Have a lovely and safe weekend, everyone. On 19/04/2008, at 4:19 PM, Eric Erickson wrote: > Begin forwarded message: >> >> I would like to take this moment to remind people to: >> >> Buckle up. >> Watch the traffic in front of you (and particularly read the >> traffic ahead of the car in front of you). >> Keep your correct distance from the car in front of you. >> >> Sorry about the attached images (that get discarded by the list - I can send them to you if you want them :-) - it just shows how distracted and grumpy I was. Yes, someone hit me up the rear when I had to brake fairly hard (but not hard enough to lock up my tires) to stop behind a car that slowed dramatically in the middle of the road. Luckily we had only just taken off from traffic lights so weren't going all that fast - but I had no-where to escape to with traffic on my left and right. When I was braking I could see the person behind wasn't stopping so I let my car jump forward further hoping it would give the car behind me enough room to stop but I ran out of room to go forward and she hit me. Luckily I was hard on the brakes by that time so I didn't get pushed into the car in front. Car is driveable but the over-riders have been pushed into the rear valance, the boot lid (that escaped damage the last time I got hit in the rear) has a score mark under the lock and I have just noticed it has bent my exhaust under the car - I hope it hasn't put pressure on the extractors. And to top it all off, I have just noticed I have a sore wrist and fingers (the high-back race seat protected my neck). Have a nice weekend, everyone. Eric '68 MGB MkII Adelaide, South Australia You are subscribed as d_dibiase@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 18:00:59 2008 From: David Woerpel To: Spridgets , MGs Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:44:51 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [Fwd: RE: CastrolUSA - Expert Advice Form Data] Hi All, More fuel for the fire...ok that was "crude" humor (hehe). Below is a response I received from Castrol in response to my inquiry regarding ZDDP levels. Regards, Dave 59 :{) 59 MGA 1500 05 MCS Burlington WI -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: CastrolUSA - Expert Advice Form Data Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:22:20 -0400 From: Castrol To: *Thank you for contacting Castrol,* * * The latest API SM/ILSAC GF-4 category calls for reduced Zinc and Phosphorus levels to allow extended catalyst life in current model vehicles. There appear to be field issues associated with the SM/GF-4 oil's level of antiwear in the classic car engines known as flat tappet cam engines. The current late model passenger car engines are not flat tappet cam engines and have no reported field issues related to the level of antiwear chemistry in the SM/GF-4 oils. **_Product Recommendations for Flat Tappet (Solid Lifter) Cam Engines:_** Castrol Syntec 5W-40 (min Zn = 0.10 wt % = 1000 ppm)(full synthetic) Castrol Syntec 20W-50 (Recent reformulation identified by "Recommended for Classic Cars" text on back label) (min Zn = 0.12 = 1200 ppm)(full synthetic) PREFERRED Castrol TWS Motorsport 10W-60 (BMW dealerships) (min Zn = 0.10 = 1000 ppm)(full synthetic) BMW Long Life 5W-30 (BMW dealerships)(min Zn = 0.095 = 950 ppm)(full synthetic) **_New Motorcycle Products, Expected to be Available Q2 2008:_** Castrol 4T 10W-40 and 20W-50 (min Zn = 0.10 wt % = 1000 ppm) Castrol Actevo X-Tra 10W-30, 10W-40, 20W-40 and 20W-50 (min Zn = 0.10 = 1000 ppm) Castrol Actevo X-Tra Offroad 10W-40 and 20W-50 (min Zn = 0.10 = 1000 ppm) Castrol Power RS GPS 10W-30, 10W-40 and 20W-50 (min Zn = 0.12 = 1200 ppm) PREFERED Castrol Power RS R4 10W-50 and 5W-40 (min Zn = 0.12 = 1200 ppm) PREFERED Castrol Power RS V-Twin 20W-40 and 20W-50 (min Zn = 0.12 = 1200 ppm) PREFERED **_Existing Motorcycle Products, Will Be Transitioning Out:_** Castrol Grand Prix 4-Stroke Motorcycle Oil 10W-40, 20W-50 (min Zn = 0.10 wt % = 1000 ppm) Castrol GO! 10W-40, 20W-50 Motorcycle Oil (min Zn = 0.10 = 1000 ppm) Castrol Consumer Relations No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1388 - Release Date: 4/20/2008 3:01 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 18:32:47 2008 From: Max Heim To: MG List Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:12:43 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Fwd: RE: CastrolUSA - Expert Advice Form Data] Eek. I can imagine the cost of buying full synthetic oil at a BMW dealer. $15/quart? -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 4/21/08 3:44 PM, David Woerpel at dwoerpel@wi.net wrote: > Hi All, > More fuel for the fire...ok that was "crude" humor (hehe). > Below is a response I received from Castrol in response to my inquiry > regarding ZDDP levels. > Regards, > Dave > 59 :{) > 59 MGA 1500 > 05 MCS > Burlington WI > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: CastrolUSA - Expert Advice Form Data > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:22:20 -0400 > From: Castrol > To: > > > > > > *Thank you for contacting Castrol,* > > * * > > The latest API SM/ILSAC GF-4 category calls for reduced Zinc and > Phosphorus levels to allow extended catalyst life in current model > vehicles. There appear to be field issues associated with the SM/GF-4 > oil's level of antiwear in the classic car engines known as flat tappet > cam engines. The current late model passenger car engines are not flat > tappet cam engines and have no reported field issues related to the > level of antiwear chemistry in the SM/GF-4 oils. > > > > > > **_Product Recommendations for Flat Tappet (Solid Lifter) Cam Engines:_** > > Castrol Syntec 5W-40 (min Zn = 0.10 wt % = 1000 ppm)(full synthetic) > > Castrol Syntec 20W-50 (Recent reformulation identified by "Recommended > for Classic Cars" text on back label) (min Zn = 0.12 = 1200 ppm)(full > synthetic) PREFERRED > > Castrol TWS Motorsport 10W-60 (BMW dealerships) (min Zn = 0.10 = 1000 > ppm)(full synthetic) > > BMW Long Life 5W-30 (BMW dealerships)(min Zn = 0.095 = 950 ppm)(full > synthetic) > > > > **_New Motorcycle Products, Expected to be Available Q2 2008:_** > > Castrol 4T 10W-40 and 20W-50 (min Zn = 0.10 wt % = 1000 ppm) > > Castrol Actevo X-Tra 10W-30, 10W-40, 20W-40 and 20W-50 (min Zn = 0.10 = > 1000 ppm) > > Castrol Actevo X-Tra Offroad 10W-40 and 20W-50 (min Zn = 0.10 = 1000 ppm) > > Castrol Power RS GPS 10W-30, 10W-40 and 20W-50 (min Zn = 0.12 = 1200 > ppm) PREFERED > > Castrol Power RS R4 10W-50 and 5W-40 (min Zn = 0.12 = 1200 ppm) PREFERED > > Castrol Power RS V-Twin 20W-40 and 20W-50 (min Zn = 0.12 = 1200 ppm) > PREFERED > > > > **_Existing Motorcycle Products, Will Be Transitioning Out:_** > > Castrol Grand Prix 4-Stroke Motorcycle Oil 10W-40, 20W-50 (min Zn = 0.10 > wt % = 1000 ppm) > > Castrol GO! 10W-40, 20W-50 Motorcycle Oil (min Zn = 0.10 = 1000 ppm) > > > > Castrol Consumer Relations _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 19:19:13 2008 From: "Jack Feldman" To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:51:43 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Beware of Moss Just got my Moss flier today. Barnum was right! On page three there is an MGB Cruise Control Kit for $249.95. It looks suspiciously like the Audiovox CCS100 featured in the *MGB Driver*, volume 18, number 1, pages 53 and 54. Mike Barnes of the St. Louis club wrote an excellent article about how easy it is to install, and it is easy. I have one. I'll bet someone has the article on their web site. I had mine in my BGT before the article was published, and it is great for long trips. When I put one in our C, my son complained. When we drove from the Minneapolis meet to Portland, Oregon, He found out it wasn't such a bad idea after all. Oh, the point of this diatribe is that I got mine for $89.00 at Amazon.com. They are also in the J.C. Whitney catalog for about $128.99 *What is there about the Moss one that makes it worth $249?* The add says that it is engineered especially for MG carburettors. The generic kit comes with enough adapters so that it will fit almost any carb. Mike's article clearly shows how to connect the control cable to an SU carb. BTW, the kit doesn't show a vacuum chamber which is mentioned in the *MGB Driver* article. Neither I, nor the person who showed me his installation had to use one. The common knowledge is that a 4 cylinder car doesn't generate enough vacuum for this kind of cruise control, but the Audiovox seems to work fine without one. Jack 1969 MGC with cruise control 1972 MGBGT with cruise control 1960 Austin Healey 3000 which may get one when the rest of it is sorted out. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 19:20:23 2008 From: "Jack Feldman" To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:54:15 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Second Thought on Moss In spite of their sometimes questionable pricing polices, I do have to give the devil his due. We wouldn't have a hobby if it wasn't for MOSS MOTORS, for which I humbly thank them. Jack _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 20:54:43 2008 From: Charles & Peggy Robinson To: David Woerpel Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:38:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Fwd: RE: CastrolUSA - Expert Advice Form Data] Oh, Hell! Does this mean that they've reformulated our good ol' 20W50 GTX Dino Oil so that it's no longer preferred for our MGs? (Whimper) CR David Woerpel wrote: > Hi All, > More fuel for the fire...ok that was "crude" humor (hehe). > Below is a response I received from Castrol in response to my inquiry > regarding ZDDP levels. > Regards, > Dave > 59 :{) > 59 MGA 1500 > 05 MCS > Burlington WI > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: CastrolUSA - Expert Advice Form Data > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:22:20 -0400 > From: Castrol > To: > > > > > > *Thank you for contacting Castrol,* > > * * > > The latest API SM/ILSAC GF-4 category calls for reduced Zinc and > Phosphorus levels to allow extended catalyst life in current model > vehicles. There appear to be field issues associated with the SM/GF-4 > oil's level of antiwear in the classic car engines known as flat tappet > cam engines. The current late model passenger car engines are not flat > tappet cam engines and have no reported field issues related to the > level of antiwear chemistry in the SM/GF-4 oils. > > > > > > **_Product Recommendations for Flat Tappet (Solid Lifter) Cam Engines:_** > > Castrol Syntec 5W-40 (min Zn = 0.10 wt % = 1000 ppm)(full synthetic) > > Castrol Syntec 20W-50 (Recent reformulation identified by "Recommended > for Classic Cars" text on back label) (min Zn = 0.12 = 1200 ppm)(full > synthetic) PREFERRED > > Castrol TWS Motorsport 10W-60 (BMW dealerships) (min Zn = 0.10 = 1000 > ppm)(full synthetic) > > BMW Long Life 5W-30 (BMW dealerships)(min Zn = 0.095 = 950 ppm)(full > synthetic) > > > > **_New Motorcycle Products, Expected to be Available Q2 2008:_** > > Castrol 4T 10W-40 and 20W-50 (min Zn = 0.10 wt % = 1000 ppm) > > Castrol Actevo X-Tra 10W-30, 10W-40, 20W-40 and 20W-50 (min Zn = 0.10 = > 1000 ppm) > > Castrol Actevo X-Tra Offroad 10W-40 and 20W-50 (min Zn = 0.10 = 1000 ppm) > > Castrol Power RS GPS 10W-30, 10W-40 and 20W-50 (min Zn = 0.12 = 1200 > ppm) PREFERED > > Castrol Power RS R4 10W-50 and 5W-40 (min Zn = 0.12 = 1200 ppm) PREFERED > > Castrol Power RS V-Twin 20W-40 and 20W-50 (min Zn = 0.12 = 1200 ppm) > PREFERED > > > > **_Existing Motorcycle Products, Will Be Transitioning Out:_** > > Castrol Grand Prix 4-Stroke Motorcycle Oil 10W-40, 20W-50 (min Zn = 0.10 > wt % = 1000 ppm) > > Castrol GO! 10W-40, 20W-50 Motorcycle Oil (min Zn = 0.10 = 1000 ppm) > > > > Castrol Consumer Relations > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1388 - Release Date: 4/20/2008 3:01 PM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ccrobins@ktc.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 21:58:51 2008 From: "David F. Darby" To: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:59:15 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] UK registration numbers Hello, Can anyone point me to a web site where I might look up old UK vehicle registration numbers to determine where and when the numbers were first issued? I used to have a source bookmarked, but that was a couple of computers ago. Thanks for any help. Cheers, David _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 22:38:11 2008 From: David Woerpel To: Spridgets , MGs Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:38:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Fwd: RE: CastrolUSA - Expert Advice Form Data] Charles & Peggy Robinson wrote: > Oh, Hell! Does this mean that they've reformulated our good ol' 20W50 > GTX Dino Oil so that it's no longer preferred for our MGs? (Whimper) > > CR > Yup! Dave Burlington WI _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 10:03:04 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "David F. Darby" , Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:59:46 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] UK registration numbers This http://www.mgcars.org.uk/news/news446.html is about the only link I have that is still active. I had several others but they seem to be defunct now. There is also http://www.regtransfers.co.uk/main/uk_numberplates_system.asp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_car_number_plates http://www.metadyne.co.uk/CarReg.html http://www.ukoffroad.com/tech/reg_plates.html found through Google, I'm sure there are others. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Can anyone point me to a web site where I might look up old UK vehicle > registration numbers to determine where and when the numbers were first > issued? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 10:18:28 2008 From: "Classic-Car-World Ltd" To: "Paul Hunt" , "David F. Darby" Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:14:48 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] UK registration numbers Try the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency at http://www.dvla.gov.uk/ Kindest Regards Tom Tom McCay Director Classic-Car-World Ltd 32 Washingborough Road Heighington Lincoln LN4 1RE 01522 888178 (Tel) 0870 705 9115 (fax) enquiries@ccw-tools.com www.ccw-tools.com Registered address: 32 Washingborough Road Heighington Lincoln LN4 1RE. Classic-Car-World Limited is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 3930761. VAT registration number: 755 7630 05 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hunt" To: "David F. Darby" ; Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] UK registration numbers > This http://www.mgcars.org.uk/news/news446.html is about the only link I > have that is still active. I had several others but they seem to be > defunct > now. There is also > http://www.regtransfers.co.uk/main/uk_numberplates_system.asp > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_car_number_plates > http://www.metadyne.co.uk/CarReg.html > http://www.ukoffroad.com/tech/reg_plates.html > found through Google, I'm sure there are others. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> Can anyone point me to a web site where I might look up old UK vehicle >> registration numbers to determine where and when the numbers were first >> issued? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as enquiries@classic-car-world.co.uk > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 10:50:36 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Classic-Car-World Ltd" , "David Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:39:12 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] UK registration numbers I could only find suffix and prefix letters from 1963 to 2001 http://www.dvla.gov.uk/media/pdf/leaflets/suffix_and_prefix.pdf, they did used to have more. That info is included in the other links I posted together with historical and issuing authority info. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Classic-Car-World Ltd" To: "Paul Hunt" ; "David F. Darby" ; Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] UK registration numbers > Try the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency at http://www.dvla.gov.uk/ > > Kindest Regards > > Tom > Tom McCay Director Classic-Car-World Ltd 32 Washingborough Road > Heighington Lincoln LN4 1RE 01522 888178 (Tel) 0870 705 9115 (fax) > enquiries@ccw-tools.com www.ccw-tools.com > > Registered address: 32 Washingborough Road Heighington Lincoln LN4 1RE. > Classic-Car-World Limited is a company registered in England and Wales > with company number 3930761. VAT registration number: 755 7630 05 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Hunt" > To: "David F. Darby" ; > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 3:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Mgs] UK registration numbers > > >> This http://www.mgcars.org.uk/news/news446.html is about the only link I >> have that is still active. I had several others but they seem to be >> defunct >> now. There is also >> http://www.regtransfers.co.uk/main/uk_numberplates_system.asp >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_car_number_plates >> http://www.metadyne.co.uk/CarReg.html >> http://www.ukoffroad.com/tech/reg_plates.html >> found through Google, I'm sure there are others. >> >> PaulH. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> Can anyone point me to a web site where I might look up old UK vehicle >>> registration numbers to determine where and when the numbers were first >>> issued? >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> You are subscribed as enquiries@classic-car-world.co.uk >> >> >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs >> >> http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 20:18:52 2008 From: "David F. Darby" To: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:18:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] UK registration numbers Thanks Paul et al. There used to be some sites where one could look up when and where number plates were initially issued, but they seem to have dried up. I found a nice plate at a swap meet the other day: DAR 9B. As it approximates my surname it was a must-have. It's stamped aluminum, painted black, and looks great on the front of the black Magnette (Z-type). The feller I bought it from claims it was imported stateside whilst attached to an MGA. I'm sure it will attract the attention of the Missouri Highway Constabulary, but I'll keep the official MO tag under the front seat to try to ward off a citation. Actually, I've been running without the required front plate for the past ten years without drawing the attention of the local gendarmes. I might vent here that I think the citizens of this sovereign state should be excused from running the current issue of tags as they are not only egregiously bad from an aesthetic point of view, but downright ugly as home-made sin to boot! They are an embarrassingly wussy, namby-pamby pastel bluish hue intergrading into white, with a whimsical font and a cutesy green zig-zag graphic along the top. It nearly broke my heart when I had to remove the industrial-grade stamped steel plates that had endured for so many decades. It's enough to make a fellow want to move off to Kansas. David _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 20:38:17 2008 From: "Larry Daniels" To: "David F. Darby" , Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:37:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] UK registration numbers So, David, tell us how you really feel about the local plates. I still run the New Zealand plates on my Austin A60 Pickup that I imported from NZ. I keep the Wisconsin "Collector" plates under the seat along with evidence of car shows that I have entered it in. I have a spiel memorized if I get stopped by the Gendarmes for not having plates on it that explains how I must have forgot to reattach the WI plates after the last show. Keep a screwdriver handy to switch plates and hope they buy your story. Be nice, offer to switch to the right plates on the spot, and they will probably buy your story. If there are any cops on this list, the above story is pure fiction and meant as a fairy tale story. I am a law-abiding citizen with the utmost respect for all the traffic laws. Even the speeding ones. Humbly yours, Anonymous ----- Original Message ----- From: "David F. Darby" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] UK registration numbers Thanks Paul et al. There used to be some sites where one could look up when and where number plates were initially issued, but they seem to have dried up. I found a nice plate at a swap meet the other day: DAR 9B. As it approximates my surname it was a must-have. It's stamped aluminum, painted black, and looks great on the front of the black Magnette (Z-type). The feller I bought it from claims it was imported stateside whilst attached to an MGA. I'm sure it will attract the attention of the Missouri Highway Constabulary, but I'll keep the official MO tag under the front seat to try to ward off a citation. Actually, I've been running without the required front plate for the past ten years without drawing the attention of the local gendarmes. I might vent here that I think the citizens of this sovereign state should be excused from running the current issue of tags as they are not only egregiously bad from an aesthetic point of view, but downright ugly as home-made sin to boot! They are an embarrassingly wussy, namby-pamby pastel bluish hue intergrading into white, with a whimsical font and a cutesy green zig-zag graphic along the top. It nearly broke my heart when I had to remove the industrial-grade stamped steel plates that had endured for so many decades. It's enough to make a fellow want to move off to Kansas. David You are subscribed as ladaniels@sbcglobal.net Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 22:26:28 2008 From: Charles Hill To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:27:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] UK registration numbers David, Where in Missouri are you? If you don't like the current Missouri plates, just wait. A new design is being introduced this spring. http://dor.mo.gov/mvdl/motorv/voteplate/bluebird.htm If you still don't like them, there is the option of "year of manufacture" plates if the car qualifies for historic plates. An added bonus with this option is that a front plate is not required. You are subject to the same restrictions as with historic plates though but with the same benefit of no annual fees. Charles Hill Also from Missouri David F. Darby wrote: > Thanks Paul et al. > > There used to be some sites where one could look up when and where number > plates were initially issued, but they seem to have dried up. > > I found a nice plate at a swap meet the other day: DAR 9B. As it > approximates my surname it was a must-have. It's stamped aluminum, painted > black, and looks great on the front of the black Magnette (Z-type). The > feller I bought it from claims it was imported stateside whilst attached to > an MGA. > > I'm sure it will attract the attention of the Missouri Highway Constabulary, > but I'll keep the official MO tag under the front seat to try to ward off a > citation. Actually, I've been running without the required front plate for > the past ten years without drawing the attention of the local gendarmes. > > I might vent here that I think the citizens of this sovereign state should > be excused from running the current issue of tags as they are not only > egregiously bad from an aesthetic point of view, but downright ugly as > home-made sin to boot! They are an embarrassingly wussy, namby-pamby pastel > bluish hue intergrading into white, with a whimsical font and a cutesy green > zig-zag graphic along the top. It nearly broke my heart when I had to remove > the industrial-grade stamped steel plates that had endured for so many > decades. It's enough to make a fellow want to move off to Kansas. > > David _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 22:40:09 2008 From: "David F. Darby" To: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:40:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] UK registration numbers Here's a picture of the old heap on the lawn with the tag in question: http://www.geocities.com/dfdarby/photos.html Cheers, David _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 23:04:00 2008 From: "J Foster" To: "'David Woerpel'" , "'Spridgets'" Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:04:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Fwd: RE: CastrolUSA - Expert Advice Form Data] I drive an MG that leaks worse than any Corvair I ever owned. I can't afford to run Castrol Syntec on to the ground! ;-) -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+vlw66=sbcglobal.net@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+vlw66=sbcglobal.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Woerpel Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 5:45 PM To: Spridgets; MGs Subject: [Mgs] [Fwd: RE: CastrolUSA - Expert Advice Form Data] Hi All, More fuel for the fire...ok that was "crude" humor (hehe). Below is a response I received from Castrol in response to my inquiry regarding ZDDP levels. Regards, Dave 59 :{) 59 MGA 1500 05 MCS Burlington WI -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: CastrolUSA - Expert Advice Form Data Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:22:20 -0400 From: Castrol To: *Thank you for contacting Castrol,* * * The latest API SM/ILSAC GF-4 category calls for reduced Zinc and Phosphorus levels to allow extended catalyst life in current model vehicles. There appear to be field issues associated with the SM/GF-4 oil's level of antiwear in the classic car engines known as flat tappet cam engines. The current late model passenger car engines are not flat tappet cam engines and have no reported field issues related to the level of antiwear chemistry in the SM/GF-4 oils. **_Product Recommendations for Flat Tappet (Solid Lifter) Cam Engines:_** Castrol Syntec 5W-40 (min Zn = 0.10 wt % = 1000 ppm)(full synthetic) Castrol Syntec 20W-50 (Recent reformulation identified by "Recommended for Classic Cars" text on back label) (min Zn = 0.12 = 1200 ppm)(full synthetic) PREFERRED Castrol TWS Motorsport 10W-60 (BMW dealerships) (min Zn = 0.10 = 1000 ppm)(full synthetic) BMW Long Life 5W-30 (BMW dealerships)(min Zn = 0.095 = 950 ppm)(full synthetic) **_New Motorcycle Products, Expected to be Available Q2 2008:_** Castrol 4T 10W-40 and 20W-50 (min Zn = 0.10 wt % = 1000 ppm) Castrol Actevo X-Tra 10W-30, 10W-40, 20W-40 and 20W-50 (min Zn = 0.10 = 1000 ppm) Castrol Actevo X-Tra Offroad 10W-40 and 20W-50 (min Zn = 0.10 = 1000 ppm) Castrol Power RS GPS 10W-30, 10W-40 and 20W-50 (min Zn = 0.12 = 1200 ppm) PREFERED Castrol Power RS R4 10W-50 and 5W-40 (min Zn = 0.12 = 1200 ppm) PREFERED Castrol Power RS V-Twin 20W-40 and 20W-50 (min Zn = 0.12 = 1200 ppm) PREFERED **_Existing Motorcycle Products, Will Be Transitioning Out:_** Castrol Grand Prix 4-Stroke Motorcycle Oil 10W-40, 20W-50 (min Zn = 0.10 wt % = 1000 ppm) Castrol GO! 10W-40, 20W-50 Motorcycle Oil (min Zn = 0.10 = 1000 ppm) Castrol Consumer Relations No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1388 - Release Date: 4/20/2008 3:01 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as vlw66@sbcglobal.net Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 23:16:38 2008 From: Aaron Whiteman To: MG Mailing List Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:17:00 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] just one last thing to remove before the car goes to paint.... Help! I can't figure out how to get the hood (people, not engine) clips off the body. I'm speaking of the pair of slotted chrome metal pieces on the deck between the trunk and the passenger compartment. I removed the screw and spacer from the underside, so I *think* I've got everything released, but they aren't budging. -- Aaron Whiteman -- http://www.panix.com/~awhitema/ '75 MGB (red for now), HIF4 carbs '06 Subaru Impreza Outback Sport _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 23 03:09:30 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "David F. Darby" , Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:08:46 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] UK registration numbers Didn't http://www.mgcars.org.uk/news/news446.html tell you what you wanted to know? ----- Original Message ----- > There used to be some sites where one could look up when and where number > plates were initially issued, but they seem to have dried up. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 23 04:00:12 2008 From: "Richard Gosling" To: "David F. Darby" Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:00:39 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] UK registration numbers Well, the links I sent earlier are still valid. The final letter B indicates the number was issued in 1964. The second and third letters, AR, indicate that it was issued in the county of Hertfordshire. The D and the 9 are random. The numbers I think tend to be issued sequentially, so a low number like 9 would suggest it was issued quite early on in the year. The story seems a little suspect, since MGAs ceased production in July '62, although it's possible the car sat around unregistered for a year and a half - maybe everyone was so excited about the MGB that old stock MGAs were hard to shift. It probably wouldn't have been legal to transfer that number plate to an older MGA, since that would have made the car appear newer than it was (although I don't know for sure whether that law was in place in '64). You can get number plate shops in the UK to make up any number plate you like, in a variety of styles that include the old-style white-on-black or silver-on-black. I think there's some rule that says you need to prove you own a car registered with that number (so you can't just buy a number plate with someone elses number and have all your speeding fines sent to them!), but they might waive that restriction if it's being sent to a foreign customer. Richard & Sammy On 4/23/08, David F. Darby wrote: > > Thanks Paul et al. > > There used to be some sites where one could look up when and where number > plates were initially issued, but they seem to have dried up. > > I found a nice plate at a swap meet the other day: DAR 9B. As it > approximates my surname it was a must-have. It's stamped aluminum, painted > black, and looks great on the front of the black Magnette (Z-type). The > feller I bought it from claims it was imported stateside whilst attached > to > an MGA. > > I'm sure it will attract the attention of the Missouri Highway > Constabulary, > but I'll keep the official MO tag under the front seat to try to ward off > a > citation. Actually, I've been running without the required front plate for > the past ten years without drawing the attention of the local gendarmes. > > I might vent here that I think the citizens of this sovereign state should > be excused from running the current issue of tags as they are not only > egregiously bad from an aesthetic point of view, but downright ugly as > home-made sin to boot! They are an embarrassingly wussy, namby-pamby > pastel > bluish hue intergrading into white, with a whimsical font and a cutesy > green > zig-zag graphic along the top. It nearly broke my heart when I had to > remove > the industrial-grade stamped steel plates that had endured for so many > decades. It's enough to make a fellow want to move off to Kansas. > > David > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as rbgosling@googlemail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 23 06:59:08 2008 From: Dan DiBiase To: "David F. Darby" , mgs@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 04:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] UK registration numbers Could be worse, David, could have NJ plates! http://www.worldlicenceplates.com/usa/US_NJXX.html The new ones, while not too bad, are generally the color of the sky around Newark..... Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress... '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html ----- Original Message ---- From: David F. Darby To: mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:18:53 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] UK registration numbers Thanks Paul et al. There used to be some sites where one could look up when and where number plates were initially issued, but they seem to have dried up. I found a nice plate at a swap meet the other day: DAR 9B. As it approximates my surname it was a must-have. It's stamped aluminum, painted black, and looks great on the front of the black Magnette (Z-type). The feller I bought it from claims it was imported stateside whilst attached to an MGA. I'm sure it will attract the attention of the Missouri Highway Constabulary, but I'll keep the official MO tag under the front seat to try to ward off a citation. Actually, I've been running without the required front plate for the past ten years without drawing the attention of the local gendarmes. I might vent here that I think the citizens of this sovereign state should be excused from running the current issue of tags as they are not only egregiously bad from an aesthetic point of view, but downright ugly as home-made sin to boot! They are an embarrassingly wussy, namby-pamby pastel bluish hue intergrading into white, with a whimsical font and a cutesy green zig-zag graphic along the top. It nearly broke my heart when I had to remove the industrial-grade stamped steel plates that had endured for so many decades. It's enough to make a fellow want to move off to Kansas. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 23 10:00:42 2008 From: "Richard Gosling" To: "MG List" , spitfires@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:01:04 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] UK Government not planning to ban old cars Someone somewhere obviously got concerned that UK or European legislation was on the verge of banning classic cars, and started a petition on the Prime Minister's website to stop this happening. Here's the government response: http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page15326.asp Basically they say that last year they investigated the idea of creating incentives for scrapping cars that don't comply with more recent emissions legislation, and decided it wasn't a good idea, for various reasons including the environmental cost of scrapping loads of cars and building loads more to replace them with. So there are no plans to ban anything. They don't deny that Edinburgh City Council may be going to ban old cars from the city centre, but say that is entirely Edinburgh Council's business and nothing to do with the government. We can all rest easy tonight thanks to our governments re-assuring words (unless we plan to drive into Edinburgh). In fact I'm tempted to drive to Edinburgh in Sammy this weekend, just to show my disapproval! Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT, RIP Daffy the '78 Inca Yellow Spitfire) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 23 10:28:45 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Richard Gosling" , "MG List" Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:23:25 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] UK Government not planning to ban old cars So they inflict penal rates of car tax on anything (2001 and later) emitting more than 170gm/km instead (like a 1400cc Astra!), killing resale value. This will have the opposite effect. For most people the resale value is a large part of buying a replacement. Kill that and they won't be buying modern economical cars (and even if they did the government admits that has a negative effect on the environment). The result is an increase in usage of even less environmentally friendly pre-2001 cars, most of which are probably less well maintained than classics. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Basically they say that last year they investigated the idea of creating > incentives for scrapping cars that don't comply with more recent emissions > legislation, and decided it wasn't a good idea, for various reasons > including the environmental cost of scrapping loads of cars and building > loads more to replace them with. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 23 11:52:20 2008 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "Richard Gosling" , "MG List" Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:52:43 +0200 Subject: Re: [Mgs] UK Government not planning to ban old cars These might be plans, but..... Several German cities already have banned cars of a certain age or older. Some of these might lift the ban for real classics - please don not start a flame over this subject over what the definition of a classic is. Also our capital Amsterdam have some nasty plans banning older cars, because these "pollute". There already is a very strong opposition by classic car owners - many of these people come from the artistic circuit - there are loads of old Volvo's, Citrokn's, etc. around there, so the lobby against this is growing. Let the classic force be with us! Cheers, Hans 71 BGT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Gosling" To: "MG List" ; Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 5:01 PM Subject: [Mgs] UK Government not planning to ban old cars > Someone somewhere obviously got concerned that UK or European legislation > was on the verge of banning classic cars, and started a petition on the > Prime Minister's website to stop this happening. Here's the government > response: > > http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page15326.asp > > Basically they say that last year they investigated the idea of creating > incentives for scrapping cars that don't comply with more recent emissions > legislation, and decided it wasn't a good idea, for various reasons > including the environmental cost of scrapping loads of cars and building > loads more to replace them with. So there are no plans to ban anything. > > They don't deny that Edinburgh City Council may be going to ban old cars > from the city centre, but say that is entirely Edinburgh Council's > business > and nothing to do with the government. > > We can all rest easy tonight thanks to our governments re-assuring words > (unless we plan to drive into Edinburgh). In fact I'm tempted to drive to > Edinburgh in Sammy this weekend, just to show my disapproval! > > Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT, RIP Daffy the '78 Inca Yellow > Spitfire) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 23 12:30:21 2008 From: "David F. Darby" To: Dan DiBiase Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:30:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] UK registration numbers Yipes! I see what you mean. I'll vote for the 1979 NJ plates that, like the old Missouri tags, tacitly screams: "Made by convict labor!" Regards, David _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 23 13:07:20 2008 From: "Dodd, Kelvin" To: "Aaron Whiteman" , "MG Mailing List" Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:09:10 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] just one last thing to remove before the car goes to Aaron: There are two screws holding the clips. The obvious one has the big cup washer. There is another one with just a flat washer. Easy to miss. Kelvin Dodd > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Aaron Whiteman > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:17 PM > To: MG Mailing List > Subject: [Mgs] just one last thing to remove before the car > goes to paint.... > > Help! > > I can't figure out how to get the hood (people, not engine) > clips off the body. I'm speaking of the pair of slotted > chrome metal pieces on the deck between the trunk and the > passenger compartment. > > I removed the screw and spacer from the underside, so I > *think* I've got everything released, but they aren't budging. > > -- > Aaron Whiteman -- http://www.panix.com/~awhitema/ > '75 MGB (red for now), HIF4 carbs > '06 Subaru Impreza Outback Sport _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 23 20:01:41 2008 From: Bernd <1971mgb@cox.net> To: MG list Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:02:04 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] 90 degree angle drive does anyone know what the purpose is for the screw that is located on top of the angle drive. That would be the angle drive that fit's onto the transmission of the "B", could be for greasing the gears in the drive?. 71 MGB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 23 20:17:02 2008 From: "Ed Woods" To: "MG list" Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:17:27 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] MGB pedal box bolt List, What is the arrangement of pedals, spacers, and washers on the bolt that secures them to the pedal box? Is it pedal (with bush), large washer, spacer, large washer, pedal (with bush)? The large washers purpose being to prevent the pedals from sliding along the spacer? Thanks, Ed Woods _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 07:17:50 2008 From: Paul Root To: MGs List Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:18:14 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Beijing Motor Show | Auto Express News | News | Auto Express Can anyone clear up what happened here? As I understand it: 1. BMW sold MG/Rover to guys in England. 2. They failed, after taking a lot of government money 3. There was a bidding war between SAIC and NAC. Both actually owned by the Chinese government. 4. SAIC buys rights to the some of the cars. NAC buys MG and rights to the TF and ZT. BMW says it still owns the name Rover, to protect Land Rover 5. Some moron in Oklahoma announces that he's opening a plant to build MGs after one or two conversations with NAC. 6. Lots of time tables slip 7. MG 7 is introduced. Some Roewe models are released. Both for Chinese consumption but intended for the world. 8. NAC is running out of money. SAIC buys NAC. Anything else? Anything wrong? To: "Paul Root" Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:45:29 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beijing Motor Show | Auto Express News | News | Auto Oooh - that's news. I didn't know SAIC had bought NAC. I remember at one stage they were discussing co-operating - which made sense since they were both building near-identical versions of the Rover 75 / MG ZT. I still take any news of mass production resuming at Longbridge with a pinch of salt. As close as they get to resuming production of the MG ZF, I won't believe it until I see one, for sale, in a showroom. Richard On 4/24/08, Paul Root wrote: > > Can anyone clear up what happened here? As I understand it: > > 1. BMW sold MG/Rover to guys in England. > 2. They failed, after taking a lot of government money > 3. There was a bidding war between SAIC and NAC. Both actually owned > by the Chinese government. > 4. SAIC buys rights to the some of the cars. NAC buys MG and rights to > the TF and ZT. BMW says > it still owns the name Rover, to protect Land Rover > 5. Some moron in Oklahoma announces that he's opening a plant to build > MGs after one or two conversations with NAC. > 6. Lots of time tables slip > 7. MG 7 is introduced. Some Roewe models are released. Both for > Chinese consumption but intended for the world. > 8. NAC is running out of money. SAIC buys NAC. > > Anything else? Anything wrong? > > > > < > http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/220614/beijing_motor_show.html > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as rbgosling@googlemail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 07:49:47 2008 From: Paul Root To: "Richard Gosling" Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:50:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beijing Motor Show | Auto Express News | News | Auto Maybe I took a leap from talks to purchase of NAC by SAIC. Not that I could afford it, at least until the 11 year old is off to/ out of college, but I'd love to get my hands on a TF coupe. Especially, if it was built in Oklahoma. On Apr 24, 2008, at 7:45 AM, Richard Gosling wrote: > Oooh - that's news. I didn't know SAIC had bought NAC. I remember > at one stage they were discussing co-operating - which made sense > since they were both building near-identical versions of the Rover > 75 / MG ZT. > > I still take any news of mass production resuming at Longbridge with > a pinch of salt. As close as they get to resuming production of the > MG ZF, I won't believe it until I see one, for sale, in a showroom. > > Richard > > > On 4/24/08, Paul Root wrote: > Can anyone clear up what happened here? As I understand it: > > 1. BMW sold MG/Rover to guys in England. > 2. They failed, after taking a lot of government money > 3. There was a bidding war between SAIC and NAC. Both actually owned > by the Chinese government. > 4. SAIC buys rights to the some of the cars. NAC buys MG and rights to > the TF and ZT. BMW says > it still owns the name Rover, to protect Land Rover > 5. Some moron in Oklahoma announces that he's opening a plant to build > MGs after one or two conversations with NAC. > 6. Lots of time tables slip > 7. MG 7 is introduced. Some Roewe models are released. Both for > Chinese consumption but intended for the world. > 8. NAC is running out of money. SAIC buys NAC. > > Anything else? Anything wrong? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as rbgosling@googlemail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 07:53:06 2008 From: Dan DiBiase To: Richard Gosling , Paul Root Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 05:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beijing Motor Show | Auto Express News | News | Auto I assume you meant the TF, Richard....? Of course, by the time they resume production, it will be a 14-year old car! Nice to see they are carrying on the MGB tradition of selling outdated cars! Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress... '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html ----- Original Message ---- From: Richard Gosling To: Paul Root Cc: MGs List Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 8:45:29 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beijing Motor Show | Auto Express News | News | Auto Express Oooh - that's news. I didn't know SAIC had bought NAC. I remember at one stage they were discussing co-operating - which made sense since they were both building near-identical versions of the Rover 75 / MG ZT. I still take any news of mass production resuming at Longbridge with a pinch of salt. As close as they get to resuming production of the MG ZF, I won't believe it until I see one, for sale, in a showroom. Richard On 4/24/08, Paul Root wrote: > > Can anyone clear up what happened here? As I understand it: > > 1. BMW sold MG/Rover to guys in England. > 2. They failed, after taking a lot of government money > 3. There was a bidding war between SAIC and NAC. Both actually owned > by the Chinese government. > 4. SAIC buys rights to the some of the cars. NAC buys MG and rights to > the TF and ZT. BMW says > it still owns the name Rover, to protect Land Rover > 5. Some moron in Oklahoma announces that he's opening a plant to build > MGs after one or two conversations with NAC. > 6. Lots of time tables slip > 7. MG 7 is introduced. Some Roewe models are released. Both for > Chinese consumption but intended for the world. > 8. NAC is running out of money. SAIC buys NAC. > > Anything else? Anything wrong? > > > > < > http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/220614/beijing_motor_show.html > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as rbgosling@googlemail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as d_dibiase@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 09:39:37 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Richard Gosling" , "MG List" Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:29:27 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] UK Government not planning to ban old cars I like the response of an acquaintance to this: "Always assuming the principle that when the Government makes a statement it is valid for the day of issue, but its validity expires with the arrival of the following day." PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > ... So there are no plans to ban anything. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 09:39:59 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Paul Root" , "MGs List" Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:25:07 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beijing Motor Show | Auto Express News | News | Auto The Phoenix Four ('guys in England') didn't get any Government money, they got a dowry and lots of assets from BMW. They survived as long as they did by selling assets and leasing back some of them, but eventually ran out of money. Government money was used to support the many thousands laid off from MG Rover and their suppliers. There is currently a Government enquiry into how much money they took for themselves in salary, pension rights etc. but there is still no sign of a report being published or even an expected date for it. In some places it is described as a merger of NAC and SAIC, encouraged by the Chinese government, in others NAC was sold to SAIC by receivers, which implies they went bust. Ford acquired the rights to the Rover name from BMW to prevent any conflict with their ownership of Land Rover, now sold to TaTa (kiddie speak for 'good-bye') with Jaguar. BMW own other ex-BL marques like Mini, Triumph and Riley. NAC/SAIC still say they intend to re-introduce the TF assembled at Longbridge in Birmingham, but dates continue to slip. they have built around 30 prototypes but say there are quality problems. The UK company that were supposed to be doing body welding have apparently pulled out of the deal, saying the volumes aren't enough to warrant the investment. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Can anyone clear up what happened here? As I understand it: > > 1. BMW sold MG/Rover to guys in England. > 2. They failed, after taking a lot of government money ... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 09:57:40 2008 From: Paul Root To: "Paul Hunt" Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:58:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beijing Motor Show | Auto Express News | News | Auto On Apr 24, 2008, at 9:25 AM, Paul Hunt wrote: > The Phoenix Four ('guys in England') didn't get any Government > money, they got a dowry and lots of assets from BMW. They survived > as long as they did by selling assets and leasing back some of them, > but eventually ran out of money. Government money was used to > support the many thousands laid off from MG Rover and their > suppliers. There is currently a Government enquiry into how much > money they took for themselves in salary, pension rights etc. but > there is still no sign of a report being published or even an > expected date for it. That's right, I remember that now. > > In some places it is described as a merger of NAC and SAIC, > encouraged by the Chinese government, in others NAC was sold to SAIC > by receivers, which implies they went bust. > > Ford acquired the rights to the Rover name from BMW to prevent any > conflict with their ownership of Land Rover, now sold to TaTa > (kiddie speak for 'good-bye') with Jaguar. BMW own other ex-BL > marques like Mini, Triumph and Riley. > > NAC/SAIC still say they intend to re-introduce the TF assembled at > Longbridge in Birmingham, but dates continue to slip. they have > built around 30 prototypes but say there are quality problems. The > UK company that were supposed to be doing body welding have > apparently pulled out of the deal, saying the volumes aren't enough > to warrant the investment. Oh, I thought of one other event. The guys that bought the SV, are selling it now. Some even coming to the US. How is it that that can be an MG too? > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> Can anyone clear up what happened here? As I understand it: >> >> 1. BMW sold MG/Rover to guys in England. >> 2. They failed, after taking a lot of government money > ... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 11:47:37 2008 From: Paul Root To: MGs List Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:47:54 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] dimensions of the K&N tapered conical air filter for SU Does anyone have the height of the K&N filter. I have some 1 1/2 ram pipes that I'd like to put into the car, but the foam filters I'm using aren't tall enough. I was looking for those 1/2 inch ram pipes, but they seem to have disappeared. Currently I have the stock air filter insert, but with hex bolts, and I don't want to counter sink them and find some allen head bolts to make them flush. Paul. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 11:53:29 2008 From: "Dodd, Kelvin" To: "Paul Root" , "MGs List" Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:55:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] dimensions of the K&N tapered conical air filter for SU Paul: It is approx. 2 1/2" tall. APT, http://www.aptfast.com/ was manufacturing the 1/2" snub stacks, you might give them a call and see if they still have them. Kelvin. > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Paul Root > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:48 AM > To: MGs List > Subject: [Mgs] dimensions of the K&N tapered conical air > filter for SU converted cars > > Does anyone have the height of the K&N filter. I have some 1 > 1/2 ram pipes that I'd like to put into the car, but the foam > filters I'm using aren't tall enough. > > I was looking for those 1/2 inch ram pipes, but they seem to > have disappeared. > > Currently I have the stock air filter insert, but with hex > bolts, and I don't want to counter sink them and find some > allen head bolts to make them flush. > > > Paul. > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 12:42:51 2008 From: Paul Root To: "Dodd, Kelvin" Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:43:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] dimensions of the K&N tapered conical air filter for SU Thanks, Kelvin! If they are 2 1/2 tall, I should be good. On Apr 24, 2008, at 11:55 AM, Dodd, Kelvin wrote: > Paul: > > It is approx. 2 1/2" tall. > > > APT, http://www.aptfast.com/ was manufacturing the 1/2" snub stacks, > you > might give them a call and see if they still have them. > > > Kelvin. > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net >> [mailto:mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Paul Root >> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:48 AM >> To: MGs List >> Subject: [Mgs] dimensions of the K&N tapered conical air >> filter for SU converted cars >> >> Does anyone have the height of the K&N filter. I have some 1 >> 1/2 ram pipes that I'd like to put into the car, but the foam >> filters I'm using aren't tall enough. >> >> I was looking for those 1/2 inch ram pipes, but they seem to >> have disappeared. >> >> Currently I have the stock air filter insert, but with hex >> bolts, and I don't want to counter sink them and find some >> allen head bolts to make them flush. >> >> >> Paul. >> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 13:20:10 2008 From: Derek Vandivere To: Paul Root , mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:20:31 +0200 Subject: Re: [Mgs] dimensions of the K&N tapered conical air filter for SU Hang on a sec - I'll go measure 'em. Cylindrical one is about 5.5 deep, 15 across; conical is about 6.5 (centimeters). That's counting the nuts (which explains the extra cm). Derek Paul Root wrote: > Thanks, Kelvin! > > If they are 2 1/2 tall, I should be good. > > On Apr 24, 2008, at 11:55 AM, Dodd, Kelvin wrote: > > >> Paul: >> >> It is approx. 2 1/2" tall. >> >> >> APT, http://www.aptfast.com/ was manufacturing the 1/2" snub stacks, >> you >> might give them a call and see if they still have them. >> >> >> Kelvin. >> >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net >>> [mailto:mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of Paul Root >>> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:48 AM >>> To: MGs List >>> Subject: [Mgs] dimensions of the K&N tapered conical air >>> filter for SU converted cars >>> >>> Does anyone have the height of the K&N filter. I have some 1 >>> 1/2 ram pipes that I'd like to put into the car, but the foam >>> filters I'm using aren't tall enough. >>> >>> I was looking for those 1/2 inch ram pipes, but they seem to >>> have disappeared. >>> >>> Currently I have the stock air filter insert, but with hex >>> bolts, and I don't want to counter sink them and find some >>> allen head bolts to make them flush. >>> >>> >>> Paul. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as derek@vandivere.net > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 23:32:01 2008 From: "Steve Walker" To: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:32:05 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Best place to list MGB? So, seems it's time to put my '78 MGB on the market. Options for listing include: a.. This list b.. Craig's List (Boston) c.. E-bay d.. Want-Ad (Massachusetts) Any recommendations? I have pictures at http://whitewalkerpartners.com/ - click on the "MGB - it's here" Also, after the MG is gone, I'll have a 4 post, free-standing lift for sale - includes castors so you can move it around with the car on it. Runs off 15A circuit. Appreciate any input Thanks Steve Walker _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 03:34:56 2008 From: "Rick Brown" To: Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 05:35:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Best place to list MGB? You might want to list it on the NAMGBR website as well - there is no charge for this. http://www.mgcars.org.uk/namgbr/classified.htm Rick Webmaster for: ___________________________________________________________ http://www.mgcars.org.uk/namgbr - The North American MGB Register http://www.mgcars.org.uk/mgcouncil - North American Council of MG Registers http://www.britishcarclub.net - The Suncoast Classic MG Club and Nature Coast English Car Club ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Walker" To: Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 00:32 Subject: [Mgs] Best place to list MGB? > So, seems it's time to put my '78 MGB on the market. Options for listing > include: > a.. This list > b.. Craig's List (Boston) > c.. E-bay > d.. Want-Ad (Massachusetts) > Any recommendations? > > I have pictures at http://whitewalkerpartners.com/ - click on the "MGB - > it's > here" > > Also, after the MG is gone, I'll have a 4 post, free-standing lift for > sale - > includes castors so you can move it around with the car on it. Runs off > 15A > circuit. > > Appreciate any input > > Thanks > > Steve Walker _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 10:36:31 2008 From: "Eugene Balinski" To: "Steve Walker" , Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:36:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Best place to list MGB? If you want to move it locally use all except Ebay. Max exposure. Gene Balinski 80 B On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:32:05 -0500 "Steve Walker" wrote: > So, seems it's time to put my '78 MGB on the market. > Options for listing > include: > a.. This list > b.. Craig's List (Boston) > c.. E-bay > d.. Want-Ad (Massachusetts) > Any recommendations? > > I have pictures at http://whitewalkerpartners.com/ - > click on the "MGB - it's > here" > > Also, after the MG is gone, I'll have a 4 post, > free-standing lift for sale - > includes castors so you can move it around with the car > on it. Runs off 15A > circuit. > > Appreciate any input > > Thanks > > Steve Walker > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as eugeneb@nni.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive --------------------------------------------------------------------- Web mail provided by NuNet, Inc. The Premier National provider. http://www.nni.com/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 14:41:57 2008 From: Dan DiBiase To: Steve Walker , mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Best place to list MGB? Steve, you might also check out www.mgbexperience.com - they have a 'Trader's' section. Just have a thick skin, some guys there enjoy ripping apart people's cars for sale. I used to hang out on that site a lot, but it's really gone downhill the last year or so. A lot of nastiness these days. But it's a high-traffic site. Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress... '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html ----- Original Message ---- From: Steve Walker To: mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 12:32:05 AM Subject: [Mgs] Best place to list MGB? So, seems it's time to put my '78 MGB on the market. Options for listing include: a.. This list b.. Craig's List (Boston) c.. E-bay d.. Want-Ad (Massachusetts) Any recommendations? I have pictures at http://whitewalkerpartners.com/ - click on the "MGB - it's here" Also, after the MG is gone, I'll have a 4 post, free-standing lift for sale - includes castors so you can move it around with the car on it. Runs off 15A circuit. Appreciate any input Thanks Steve Walker You are subscribed as d_dibiase@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 27 14:08:29 2008 From: "RANDELL KEGG" To: Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:08:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1966 MGB Project for Sale Is anyone interested in a project car? Here is the information. I can e-mail pictures on request. For Sale: 1966 MGB, right hand drive; motor turns over; not running; the car is complete, it is all there; perfect original aluminum hood; wire wheels; no overdrive; This is a project, it is definitely restorable, but needs a complete restoration. Rust: Needs sills/rockers and floor pans; trunk floor okay; spring perches okay Body: no major accident damage; there is a crease in the left door, and left front fender. small additional dent in left front fender. otherwise the body is straight. Interior: Seats are good, currently no carpet set or top. Top frame and header bar are there. Mechanicals: As I said, this car is a project. The brakes do work. Clutch hydraulics do not. $1000.00 OBO Thanks, Randy Kegg 410-592-3733 Randell_Kegg@msn.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 27 17:01:49 2008 From: "Councill, David" To: "RANDELL KEGG" , Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:01:20 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1966 MGB Project for Sale Well, first of all you should always post the location of the car. Also keep in mind that this is an international list. I would be very interested in this car if it was near to me (Montana USA). However, your telephone number with area code indicates a Maryland location, clear on the other side of the country, roughly 2000 miles away. David Councill 67 BGT 72 B -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+dcouncill=msubillings.edu@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+dcouncill=msubillings.edu@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RANDELL KEGG Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 2:09 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1966 MGB Project for Sale Is anyone interested in a project car? Here is the information. I can e-mail pictures on request. For Sale: 1966 MGB, right hand drive; motor turns over; not running; the car is complete, it is all there; perfect original aluminum hood; wire wheels; no overdrive; This is a project, it is definitely restorable, but needs a complete restoration. Rust: Needs sills/rockers and floor pans; trunk floor okay; spring perches okay Body: no major accident damage; there is a crease in the left door, and left front fender. small additional dent in left front fender. otherwise the body is straight. Interior: Seats are good, currently no carpet set or top. Top frame and header bar are there. Mechanicals: As I said, this car is a project. The brakes do work. Clutch hydraulics do not. $1000.00 OBO Thanks, Randy Kegg 410-592-3733 Randell_Kegg@msn.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 27 17:02:57 2008 From: "Oliver" To: Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:59:24 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] midget shift knob i'm trying to match a shift knob; does anyone know if the midget (or other car) used 5/16 x 18 thread for the shift knob? thanks _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 27 19:18:04 2008 From: "RANDELL KEGG" To: Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:18:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1966 MGB Project for Sale Good Point...... The car is located near Baltimore, Maryland, USA....... Thanks, Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Councill, David To: RANDELL KEGG ; mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1966 MGB Project for Sale Well, first of all you should always post the location of the car. Also keep in mind that this is an international list. I would be very interested in this car if it was near to me (Montana USA). However, your telephone number with area code indicates a Maryland location, clear on the other side of the country, roughly 2000 miles away. David Councill 67 BGT 72 B -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+dcouncill=msubillings.edu@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+dcouncill=msubillings.edu@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RANDELL KEGG Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 2:09 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1966 MGB Project for Sale Is anyone interested in a project car? Here is the information. I can e-mail pictures on request. For Sale: 1966 MGB, right hand drive; motor turns over; not running; the car is complete, it is all there; perfect original aluminum hood; wire wheels; no overdrive; This is a project, it is definitely restorable, but needs a complete restoration. Rust: Needs sills/rockers and floor pans; trunk floor okay; spring perches okay Body: no major accident damage; there is a crease in the left door, and left front fender. small additional dent in left front fender. otherwise the body is straight. Interior: Seats are good, currently no carpet set or top. Top frame and header bar are there. Mechanicals: As I said, this car is a project. The brakes do work. Clutch hydraulics do not. $1000.00 OBO Thanks, Randy Kegg 410-592-3733 Randell_Kegg@msn.com> _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as randell_kegg@msn.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 08:51:39 2008 From: Allen Hess To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:51:36 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] voltage stabilzer The voltage stabilizer in my 71 B is dead. (see Chicago land MG club electrics/Barney Gaylord). The one in the car is #BR 1308/00. I have a NOS BR 1310/00 which has the mounting bracket in a different direction, but it will fit. Are the internals the same? Do the part numbers indicate different voltages or just mounting brackets? Allen _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 09:59:33 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: , "Allen Hess" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:52:37 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] voltage stabilzer BR1310/00 seems to be for the Mini. I can't see why the gauge requirement should be that different, but a different mounting arrangement would certainly result in a different part number. I'd hook it up and see what happens, it can't do any harm. Make sure you have a good earth/ground to the body of the stabiliser. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > ... The one in the car is #BR 1308/00. I have > a NOS BR 1310/00 which has the mounting bracket in a different > direction, but it will fit. > > Are the internals the same? Do the part numbers indicate different > voltages or just mounting brackets? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 11:32:18 2008 From: Allen Hess To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:32:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] voltage stabilzer It did come from my local Mini dealer (Mini City Ltd. Rochester, NY). I did try it out and I thought it was reading too low. I have since devised another checking method. I hooked up a good sending unit. Brought a pan of water to a boil. Took pan to car and placed the sending unit in it along with a thermometer. I can then compare temp gauge with thermometer as the water slowly cools. My favorite Mini dealer has since found in his stash a BR1308/00, so I'll be able to compare both. Thanks On Apr 28, 2008, at 11:52 AM, Paul Hunt wrote: > BR1310/00 seems to be for the Mini. I can't see why the gauge > requirement should be that different, but a different mounting > arrangement would certainly result in a different part number. I'd > hook it up and see what happens, it can't do any harm. Make sure > you have a good earth/ground to the body of the stabiliser. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> ... The one in the car is #BR 1308/00. I have >> a NOS BR 1310/00 which has the mounting bracket in a different >> direction, but it will fit. >> >> Are the internals the same? Do the part numbers indicate different >> voltages or just mounting brackets? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 11:42:03 2008 From: "Don Scott" To: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:42:13 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] need a car or parts transported? My friend Dan asked me to get the word out. He has hauled many cars for me over the years- TR8 from PA, '62 Buick Skylark from CT, MGA engine from LA, MGA from Angels Camp CA, and many short hauls- Former Brit car shop owner and car hauler has room for one vehicle from Ohio to Calif.- open trailer, with winch and ramps. Route is tentative as follows. Akron Ohio, south to I-70 thru St Louis, west to Denver, north to Cheyenne or Laramie Wyo to I-80, then west on I-80 to Sacremento. Route is flexible, let me know soon. Will leave Ohio May 19 or 20. Can also pick up anywhere in Ohio before departure date if item needs to get off someones property. Price of fuel only. 330-231-9608 or email at "mrtopcog@valkyrie.net Have hauled many cars from MG list including Lotus, Saab, Miata owners. going to Santa Rosa. Have full load for return to Ohio. Could also carry,car parts, subassemblies, tractors, machine tools, lathes, mills, lumber etc. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 14:44:19 2008 From: Allen Hess To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:44:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] voltage stabilzer Regarding being very model specific, the electronic replacements which Moss sells use the same part number for MGB and TR4 (I have both cars). They are polarity sensitive with a part # for + - . The original type is no longer in the catalog. Thanks, Allen On Apr 28, 2008, at 1:56 PM, John Cahoon wrote: > Allen > > Voltage stabilizers are very model specific. > Orientation is important & one installed > backward/upside down will not work correctly. Triumph > and MGB are totally different in this regard. The Mini > application I do not know. > > What you need to do is have your input connected to a > battery [12+ volts]. Then the output should yield > some 6 volts when it is grounded. Usually the base > unit needs to be grounded as well. This is a rough > test for functionality and does not cover the gauge or > sending unit. > > Hope this is useful. JOHN CAHOON _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 14:50:58 2008 From: "Dodd, Kelvin" To: "Allen Hess" , Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:52:48 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] voltage stabilzer Allen: The voltage regulators had to be specified for the amount of current draw, so the bi-metalic unit would function correcly. A unit that fed one gauge would be different than a unit designed to feed two. Modern solid state versions have a much wider range of application, the only requirement is to get the polarity correct. Kelvin. > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Allen Hess > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 1:45 PM > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] voltage stabilzer > > Regarding being very model specific, the electronic > replacements which Moss sells use the same part number for > MGB and TR4 (I have both cars). They are polarity sensitive > with a part # for + - . The original type is no longer in the catalog. > > Thanks, Allen > > On Apr 28, 2008, at 1:56 PM, John Cahoon wrote: > > > Allen > > > > Voltage stabilizers are very model specific. > > Orientation is important & one installed backward/upside > down will not > > work correctly. Triumph and MGB are totally different in > this regard. > > The Mini application I do not know. > > > > What you need to do is have your input connected to a battery [12+ > > volts]. Then the output should yield some 6 volts when it is > > grounded. Usually the base unit needs to be grounded as > well. This is > > a rough test for functionality and does not cover the gauge > or sending > > unit. > > > > Hope this is useful. JOHN CAHOON > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as doddk@mossmotors.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 17:25:16 2008 From: "Jim Juhas" To: Allen Hess ,mgs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:26:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] voltage stabilzer What voltage is a stabilizer supposed to stabilize at? I know the technology to build a solid state one, but I would need to know the optimum volts. Any idea what's best? Jim 1957 MGA #311 -----Original Message----- From: Allen Hess Subj: [Mgs] voltage stabilzer Date: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:51 am Size: 587 bytes To: mgs@autox.team.net The voltage stabilizer in my 71 B is dead. (see Chicago land MG club electrics/Barney Gaylord). The one in the car is #BR 1308/00. I have a NOS BR 1310/00 which has the mounting bracket in a different direction, but it will fit. Are the internals the same? Do the part numbers indicate different voltages or just mounting brackets? Allen _ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 17:45:04 2008 From: rolindsay@yahoo.com To: "Jim Juhas" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:45:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] voltage stabilzer It is not really a stabilizer. Quite the opposite, in fact. It pulses, varying the duty cycle. I don't know what its designed to do but if you integrate the output you get about 10 volts, independent (within reason) of the supply voltage. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Jim Juhas" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:26:00 To:Allen Hess ,mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] voltage stabilzer What voltage is a stabilizer supposed to stabilize at? I know the technology to build a solid state one, but I would need to know the optimum volts. Any idea what's best? Jim 1957 MGA #311 -----Original Message----- From: Allen Hess Subj: [Mgs] voltage stabilzer Date: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:51 am Size: 587 bytes To: mgs@autox.team.net The voltage stabilizer in my 71 B is dead. (see Chicago land MG club electrics/Barney Gaylord). The one in the car is #BR 1308/00. I have a NOS BR 1310/00 which has the mounting bracket in a different direction, but it will fit. Are the internals the same? Do the part numbers indicate different voltages or just mounting brackets? Allen _ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as rolindsay@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 05:15:24 2008 From: "davewillner" To: Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:15:39 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] contact cement remover? I know there's a chemical that will disolve old contact cement , just can't recall what it is....I'm replacing the old "hood insulating pad" set on the MG and need to pull off and clean up the area original leftover mess underneath. Thanks Dave Willner Stroudsburg, PA 59 TR3A Apple Green 70 MGB BRG 70 BSA 441 Victor Special _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 05:17:38 2008 From: derek@vandivere.net To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:18:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mgs] Murphy's gunning for me So, took Elliott back to the mechanic, and we now have a working mohair for the trip to Scotland - given the weather forecast, this is a good thing! And then, one hour after picking him up from the mechanic, the van in front of me saw an open parking spot, threw the van into reverse, and...you can guess the rest. Luckily, just a crumpled license plate and a small tear in the front bumper, so it might help pay for a chrome conversion. (: So, we're off to Scotland tonight! Thanks for the recommendations from you guys - I showed my fiancee pictures of some of the single track mountain roads in the Highlands, and I suspect I'll be doing most of the driving... Derek _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 06:11:38 2008 From: "Valda and Merl Rosenthal" To: "davewillner" , Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:23:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] contact cement remover? Dave, I use a product called SEM SOLVE Part #38374. In fact, I have also used their paint products and had very good results. Merl Rosenthal Merl Rosenthal ----- Original Message ----- From: "davewillner" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 4:15 AM Subject: [Mgs] contact cement remover? >I know there's a chemical that will disolve old contact cement , just can't > recall what it is....I'm replacing the old "hood insulating pad" set on > the MG > and need to pull off and clean up the area original leftover mess > underneath. > Thanks > > Dave Willner > Stroudsburg, PA > 59 TR3A Apple Green > 70 MGB BRG > 70 BSA 441 Victor Special > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as mvrose@charter.net > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 07:29:17 2008 From: Eric Erickson To: MG list Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:59:26 +0930 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fwd: Have a lovely and safe weekend, everyone. On 19/04/2008, at 5:17 PM, Eric Erickson wrote: > > Yes, someone hit me up the rear when I had to brake fairly hard (but > not hard enough to lock up my tires) to stop behind a car that slowed > dramatically in the middle of the road. Luckily we had only just > taken off from traffic lights so weren't going all that fast - but I > had no-where to escape to with traffic on my left and right. > Just a quick update for y'all on this. 1. My insurance company has looked after me again - very quick to take my report over the phone on the Saturday and then text me on the Monday morning to let me know that the claim has been lodged without me doing anything else and I will have no penalty or anything to pay. You know that SHOULD be the case when someone runs up your... back end ... but it is nice to get that assurance so quickly and in writing. 2. My insurance let me have my choice of repairer and only needs the one quote (they send an assessor out to check it out anyway). This was done on Monday after I dropped the car off at the repairer on Thursday (Friday was a holiday here). 3. They have approved the quote and I should have my car back in one piece next week. All good news but the amount of the quote they accepted even caught me a little by surprise. With the price you can BUY an MGB in the States I guess you might be surprised that the damage bill came to $AU4500.00!!! I hope they do a GREAT job with the repairs but I still imagine it is going to hurt any final re-sale value of the car in some way. Should I have insisted on any "bog"/filler requirements before they did the quote or do you think I can now? I don't want the car patched up to "look nice" in the short term only to have it rot after a few years! Thanks guys, Eric '68 MGB MkII Adelaide, South Australia _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 07:47:30 2008 From: "Richard Gosling" To: "Eric Erickson" Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:47:17 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fwd: Have a lovely and safe weekend, everyone. Not sure how much your car (or indeed an Australian Dollar) is worth, but in the UK if the damage approaches even about 70% of the car's value the insurance company will write it off rather than repair it. Of course, you then get into a protracted battle over exactly how much the car is worth - BTDT, even on a car I was only claiming was worth #400. Is your insurer a specialist classic insurer, or standard insurance? Actually, now they've accepted the quote, it probably doesn't make much difference. You'll have to negotiate the quality of the repair with the garage doing the work - it's definitely worth discussing with them, you've nothing to lose by trying. Have they started the work yet? If not, and they are not planning to do the work to a standard you are happy with, you could try telling the insurance company that you are not happy with them and want to get a quote from elsewhere, but I doubt you'd get away with asking your insurance company to accept a higher quote from the same garage. Is it a place you are already friendly with? When I damaged my Spitfire (my fault) I took it to a Triumph specialists I already knew well, and they knew me. They cared more about me as a customer than they cared about the insurance company, and were happy to do me some favours, including bumping up their quote by the amount of my excess so that I ended up not out of pocket at all! Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT, in daily use at the moment while I fix my daily driver Subaru). _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 09:04:26 2008 From: Eric Erickson To: MG list Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:34:41 +0930 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fwd: Have a lovely and safe weekend, everyone. Hi, On 29/04/2008, at 11:17 PM, Richard Gosling wrote: > Not sure how much your car (or indeed an Australian Dollar) is worth, 1.00 AUD = 0.932735 USD (US Dollar) 1.00 AUD = 0.598355 EUR (Euro) 1.00 AUD = 0.473297 GBP (Great Britain Pound) 1.00 AUD = 0.944524 CAD (Canadian Dollar) > but in the UK if the damage approaches even about 70% of the car's > value the insurance company will write it off rather than repair it. > Of course, you then get into a protracted battle over exactly how much > the car is worth - BTDT, even on a car I was only claiming was worth > #400. Even at the "agreed value" I wasn't even to half the value of the car - but $4,500 is still a lot of money for a little old car! I bought the car for $AU10,000 ten years ago and it was insured for an "agreed value" of $13,000. I keep meaning to put that agreed value up because since then I have had new paint and body work (and electricals, suspensions, brakes etc etc.) . Yes, I do run it around a racetrack but she is pretty straight and the engine gets a full rebuild every few years. All it would take would be for me to put the interior back in and quieten the exhaust (and maybe soften the suspension a little) and she would be a great road car. :-) > > Is your insurer a specialist classic insurer, or standard insurance? Shannons heavily promote them as the preferred insurer of classic cars and back that up by sponsoring lots of classic motorsports events, car shows etc. The best bit of the policy is the guaranteed "salvage rights" you have - even if I write off my car there are bound to be lots of bits that I would want off her. > > Is it a place you are already friendly with? When I damaged my > Spitfire (my fault) I took it to a Triumph specialists I already knew > well, and they knew me. They cared more about me as a customer than > they cared about the insurance company, and were happy to do me some > favours, including bumping up their quote by the amount of my excess > so that I ended up not out of pocket at all! These are the guys that fixed the $1,700.00 worth of damage I got when I got hit in the right, rear corner a year or so ago (that area is damaged again). I was very happy with the work they did then so I went back to them again. They also do most of the work for the place I get the work done on my car (which is where they will get the required parts - just over the back fence), so they won't want to upset their biggest customer's best customer :-) There is going to be a lot of cutting involved in this job so I will keep my fingers crossed! It was an expensive way to get a new left rear tail-light lens to match the one they replaced on the right side last time! Eric '68 MGB MkII Adelaide, South Australia _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 16:04:30 2008 From: "W. David Houser" To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:04:34 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Ethanol and MG's Is anyone else concerned about the direction we are going with Ethanol and it's effect on our cars? Here in Florida, I am amazed with the speed that our state has thrown it's arms around this corn based Anti-fuel. Not only will we get bashed on mileage but I fear our engines will suffer. Tell me I'm imagining a scenario that puts us off the road. You will lose 2%-5% fuel mileage using 10% ethanol. Decrease our independacy on oil??? That is to funny. Ethanol contalins 76,500 BTU (1 gallon) The amount of energy it takes to make ethanol is 98,000 BTU (1 gallon) Looking for gas stations without E10, Dave Houser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 16:13:07 2008 From: "Dodd, Kelvin" To: "W. David Houser" , Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:14:59 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Ethanol and MG's Don't worry about the engines suffering. All of the original specification fuel hoses will fail and the resulting conflagration will solve all the our problems, except maybe global warming. K. > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of W. David Houser > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 3:05 PM > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mgs] Ethanol and MG's > > Is anyone else concerned about the direction we are going > with Ethanol and it's effect on our cars? > Here in Florida, I am amazed with the speed that our state > has thrown it's arms around this corn based Anti-fuel. Not > only will we get bashed on mileage but I fear our engines will suffer. > Tell me I'm imagining a scenario that puts us off the road. > > You will lose 2%-5% fuel mileage using 10% ethanol. > > Decrease our independacy on oil??? That is to funny. > > Ethanol contalins 76,500 BTU (1 gallon) > The amount of energy it takes to make ethanol is 98,000 BTU (1 gallon) > > Looking for gas stations without E10, > Dave Houser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 16:29:01 2008 From: "Councill, David" To: "W. David Houser" , Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:29:21 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Ethanol and MG's I'm not worried at all. I use to run gasohol in my 65B back in college in Nebraska (central USA) for several years without any problems. Gasohol has been in common use in that region for several decades. There was a slight reduction in mpg but it also prevented fuel line freezing in the winter. It also provides a small increase in octane rating. I would still use it in my cars if they sold it around here. I can get it in Wyoming, about 140 miles from here, for the same cost as the medium grade octane (both rated at 89 I believe). I don't think its really a big deal at least for the 10% mix. David Councill 67 BGT 72 B -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+dcouncill=msubillings.edu@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+dcouncill=msubillings.edu@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of W. David Houser Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 4:05 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Ethanol and MG's Is anyone else concerned about the direction we are going with Ethanol and it's effect on our cars? Here in Florida, I am amazed with the speed that our state has thrown it's arms around this corn based Anti-fuel. Not only will we get bashed on mileage but I fear our engines will suffer. Tell me I'm imagining a scenario that puts us off the road. You will lose 2%-5% fuel mileage using 10% ethanol. Decrease our independacy on oil??? That is to funny. Ethanol contalins 76,500 BTU (1 gallon) The amount of energy it takes to make ethanol is 98,000 BTU (1 gallon) Looking for gas stations without E10, Dave Houser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 16:41:16 2008 From: Max Heim To: MG List Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:29:09 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Ethanol and MG's California has been using ethanol for years, since they banished MBTE (up to 10%, according to the sticker on the pumps). No noticeable ill effects, so far. I share your skepticism about cornstarch-based fuels... just another farm subsidy. Cellulose-based fuels might possibly be a net gain (when they even become practical), but the infrastructure issues have yet to be addressed -- you can't pump cornstalk residue, and it is not concentrated like oil deposits, but spread across the entire central US, on a seasonal basis. Trucking it to the refinery kind of defeats the purpose. But you're probably stuck with that 10% from here on out, is my guess. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 4/29/08 3:04 PM, W. David Houser at mgs4dave@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > Is anyone else concerned about the direction we are going with Ethanol > and it's effect on our cars? > Here in Florida, I am amazed with the speed that our state has thrown > it's arms around this corn based Anti-fuel. Not only will we get > bashed on mileage but I fear our engines will suffer. > Tell me I'm imagining a scenario that puts us off the road. > > You will lose 2%-5% fuel mileage using 10% ethanol. > > Decrease our independacy on oil??? That is to funny. > > Ethanol contalins 76,500 BTU (1 gallon) > The amount of energy it takes to make ethanol is 98,000 BTU (1 gallon) > > Looking for gas stations without E10, > Dave Houser > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 18:36:35 2008 From: "Simon Matthews" To: rolindsay@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:36:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] voltage stabilzer On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:45 PM, wrote: > It is not really a stabilizer. Quite the opposite, in fact. It pulses, varying the duty cycle. I don't know what its designed to do but if you integrate the output you get about 10 volts, independent (within reason) of the supply voltage. At what frequency should it cycle? Regards, Simon _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 19:15:50 2008 From: "Norm 2Bs" To: , "MG Digest" Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:16:00 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] contact cement remover? Dave: A number of companies make solvent for that. I use "Oops" & a "Label & Sticker Remover." I seem to remember a solvent I used to buy in the paint shop by the quart. Don't remember the name. None of these damaged the paint, only the glue. Norm Sippel MG-less _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 21:01:26 2008 From: Paul Root To: MG Mailing List Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:01:33 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] heater core in, and ready Finally, I got time in the garage. People stopped sending enough mail to let me away from the computer. :-) (Or was that the yahoo list, I never paid attention). Anyway, I got the heater core secured in. Pulled the heater valve and spent a good amount of time with a hanger in the passage way. I'd forgotten what a pain the bottom heater valve bolt is. New heater hoses. I've just got a couple of wires to hook up under the hood. Oh, and the valve cable, I forgot that. And then reassemble the dash. That's the tough part. Oh, and the new car radio will be delivered tomorrow. So things are looking up. Paul. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 02:23:21 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Allen Hess" , Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:20:32 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] voltage stabilzer *Never* ground the output of any stabiliser, it is the case which needs to be grounded, which I'm sure is what the poster intended to say. With the original style of voltage stabiliser this description is not correct. It is a thermal electro-mechanical device which switches system voltage on and off about once per second, *averaging* about 10v. When power is first connected it takes a few seconds to 'warm up', during which time it is outputting system voltage, until it starts pulsing off-on-off-on. Incidentally this 'warm up' period results in a faster gauge rise time than the electronic replacements which output the lower voltage from switch-on. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > What you need to do is have your input connected to a > battery [12+ volts]. Then the output should yield > some 6 volts when it is grounded. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 02:38:24 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Dodd, Kelvin" , Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:36:00 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] voltage stabilzer That's not borne out by the Parts Catalogues. It's true that the part number did change when the North American spec with first three then two gauges powered from the stabiliser, but it is the same part number for UK cars which stayed with only one electric gauge until the 77 model year. When UK cars changed to electric temp gauge as well as fuel they still kept the same stabiliser. The stabiliser works by a heating coil bending a bi-metallic strip. The heat is derived from current, but the current depends on two things - load resistance and system voltage, and the load resistance varies as the sender resistances go up and down. The stabiliser takes all this into account, maintaining a constant *average* output voltage, irrespective of gauge load and with system voltages down to about 10v. Whilst it's possible to manufacture a stabiliser with a heating coil that could only take the current from a single gauge on full scale deflection and maximum alternator output voltage without burning out, there is no point. A stabiliser designed to take the load of two or three gauges on full scale deflection and maximum alternator output voltage will give exactly the same average output voltage with only two or one gauges. If a stabiliser gave different outputs according to current from the number of gauges, it would give different outputs as the current through any of the gauges varied as its sender resistance went up and down, which would defeat the object. Oh, and they are polarity-insensitive :o) PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > The voltage regulators had to be specified for the amount of current > draw, so the bi-metalic unit would function correcly. A unit that fed > one gauge would be different than a unit designed to feed two. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 02:53:28 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: , Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:46:23 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] voltage stabilzer A heating coil bends a bimetallic strip as current passes through the coil. When the strip is heated enough it opens a contact, which disconnects the heating coil as well as the output voltage. When the strip cools down the contact closes again and the cycle repeats. The higher the current through the heating the coil i.e. from a high system voltage of say 14v compared to a low system voltage of 12v, the hotter it will get, which heats up the strip faster, which opens the contact sooner to give a shorter on-time. But once open it cools at a relatively constant rate, so the off-time stays relatively constant. It is this changing length of on-time compared to the relatively constant off-time that gives the varying duty cycle, which gives the relatively constant average voltage of 10v or so. If you look at the output with a voltmeter or test lamp you will see both the on-time and the off-time varying even with a constant supply voltage. This is because it is a very crude device mechanically, you have to take the average voltage over several cycles to get a more accurate indication, the more the better. Because the gauges work on the same principle (a heating coil bending a bi-metallic strip in this case connected to a pointer) variations in the average voltage over one or two cycles have little visible effect. But if you look very closely at the gauge, say a fuel gauge about half-full, you can see it pulsing up and down very slightly. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > It is not really a stabilizer. Quite the opposite, in fact. It pulses, > varying the duty cycle. I don't know what its designed to do... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 07:11:59 2008 From: "Norm 2Bs" To: "'Charles Hill'" , "MG Digest" Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:12:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] contact cement remover? Charles: It may be naphtha. But, I used to buy it where I bought my auto paint. I just did a Web search & found it: 3MT General Purpose Adhesive Cleaner "Specially blended solvent which provides easy cleanup of most types of adhesives, bugs, greases and oils, overspray, silicone, waxes and tars. Will not harm most thoroughly cured automotive paint, vinyl or fabrics when properly used." It is available in quart size container. Norm -----Original Message----- From: Charles Hill [mailto:chillmog@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:41 PM To: twobees@sprynet.com Subject: Re: [Mgs] contact cement remover? Norm, The solvent you are thinking of is probably naphtha. It is the main ingredient in lighter fluid which I frequently use for removing glue residues. I've never tried it on anything as large as an MGB hood so don't take this as a recommendation or endorsement. Charles Hill Norm 2Bs wrote: > Dave: > > A number of companies make solvent for that. I use "Oops" & a "Label > & Sticker Remover." I seem to remember a solvent I used to buy in the > paint shop by the quart. Don't remember the name. None of these > damaged the paint, only the glue. > > Norm Sippel > MG-less _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 10:13:56 2008 From: "Dodd, Kelvin" To: "Paul Hunt" , Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:14:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] voltage stabilzer Thanks for the correction and explanation Paul. I'll shut up now. : ) Kelvin > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Hunt [mailto:paul.hunt1@blueyonder.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 1:36 AM > To: Dodd, Kelvin; mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] voltage stabilzer > > That's not borne out by the Parts Catalogues. It's true that > the part number did change when the North American spec with > first three then two gauges powered from the stabiliser, but > it is the same part number for UK cars which stayed with only > one electric gauge until the 77 model year. > When UK cars changed to electric temp gauge as well as fuel > they still kept the same stabiliser. The stabiliser works by > a heating coil bending a bi-metallic strip. The heat is > derived from current, but the current depends on two things - > load resistance and system voltage, and the load resistance > varies as the sender resistances go up and down. The > stabiliser takes all this into account, maintaining a > constant *average* output voltage, irrespective of gauge load > and with system voltages down to about 10v. Whilst it's > possible to manufacture a stabiliser with a heating coil that > could only take the current from a single gauge on full scale > deflection and maximum alternator output voltage without > burning out, there is no point. A stabiliser designed to > take the load of two or three gauges on full scale deflection > and maximum alternator output voltage will give exactly the > same average output voltage with only two or one gauges. If > a stabiliser gave different outputs according to current from > the number of gauges, it would give different outputs as the > current through any of the gauges varied as its sender > resistance went up and down, which would defeat the object. > > Oh, and they are polarity-insensitive :o) > > PaulH. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 11:43:31 2008 From: "Jack Feldman" To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:40:23 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Cup Holder? The console of my 72 is full of switches. I was wondering what other folks do for cup holders. Jack _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 11:51:44 2008 From: "Dodd, Kelvin" To: "Jack Feldman" , Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:53:35 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? Jack: This is what I am using in my MGB, TR8 and Rover SD1. All cars built before coffee was invented evidently. http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=48945 It slips under the edge of a floor mat, so you do have to have either the Amco style floormats or some other fairly heavy mat. In my MGB it's hooked under the passenger mat on the edge closest to the tunnel. Kelvin > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Jack Feldman > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:40 AM > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mgs] Cup Holder? > > The console of my 72 is full of switches. > > I was wondering what other folks do for cup holders. > > Jack _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 11:53:17 2008 From: Paul Root To: "Jack Feldman" Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:53:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? those of us with a RBB use the rear bumper. ;-) between the seat and the door usually works. On Apr 30, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Jack Feldman wrote: > The console of my 72 is full of switches. > > I was wondering what other folks do for cup holders. > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ptrmgb@gmail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 11:58:24 2008 From: Rick Lindsay To: Jack Feldman , "mgs@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? My MGB is garage art so my cup holder is the workbench. rick --- Jack Feldman wrote: > The console of my 72 is full of switches. > > I was wondering what other folks do for cup holders. > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as rolindsay@yahoo.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 12:09:08 2008 From: mark.jones@exxonmobil.com To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:10:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? I use a wide bottom insulated coffee mug and sit it ahead of the gear stick or on the passenger seat. Pour your favourite coffee into it and she ain't going to roll over unless you are auto-crossing. http://www.leevalley.com/gifts/page.aspx?c=1&p=32449&cat=4,104,53209 &ap=5 Mark 73 MGBGT Corunna, ON From: "Jack Feldman" Subject: [Mgs] Cup Holder? The console of my 72 is full of switches. I was wondering what other folks do for cup holders. Jack _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 12:46:28 2008 From: Peter C To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:40:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? At 12:40 PM 4/30/2008, Jack Feldman wrote: >The console of my 72 is full of switches. > >I was wondering what other folks do for cup holders. > >Jack ============ Roll of duct tape is te right size. Peter C. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 17:20:15 2008 From: "Eric J Russell" To: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:02:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? I use a couple of these: http://asp.ram-mount.com/rammount/productdetail.aspx?partnumber=RAM-B-132BU with a 1" ball attached inconspicuously to the center console. http://www.ram-mount.com/ramwebcompthumb/ram236.JPG Eric Russell Mebane, NC http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:40:23 -0500 > I was wondering what other folks do for cup holders. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 17:35:53 2008 From: "Oliver" To: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:58:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? wife >> >>I was wondering what other folks do for cup holders. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 17:37:58 2008 From: Mike Duvall To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:15:40 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Ethanol David, Greetings from Illinois corn country! We've been burning ethanol for years up here. All the original "it will rot your gaskets and rubber" is not true. Actually, it helps keep the water out of the fuel in our freezing winters. I leave it in my mower, snow blower, air blower and MGs all year round without any trouble. It does get a little less mileage per gallon but burns cleaning. Decatur, Illinois is 30 miles down the road from me and has the biggest government scam going. The favorite phrase is "that's money you smell" They pump out corn everything over there with government subsidies. Remember the big lycine price fixing scandel a few years ago? It won't hurt your car but it sure does a number on your tax bill! > > > 1. Ethanol and MG's (W. David Houser) > 2. Re: Ethanol and MG's (Dodd, Kelvin) > 3. Re: Ethanol and MG's (Councill, David) > 4. Re: Ethanol and MG's (Max Heim) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:04:34 -0400 > From: "W. David Houser" > Subject: [Mgs] Ethanol and MG's > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Is anyone else concerned about the direction we are going with Ethanol > and it's effect on our cars? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 18:05:07 2008 From: "Dodd, Kelvin" To: "Eric J Russell" , Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:44:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? That's pretty cool! Kelvin > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Eric J Russell > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:02 PM > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Cc: qualitas.jack@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? > > I use a couple of these: > http://asp.ram-mount.com/rammount/productdetail.aspx?partnumbe r=RAM-B-132BU > with a 1" ball attached inconspicuously to the center console. > http://www.ram-mount.com/ramwebcompthumb/ram236.JPG > > Eric Russell > Mebane, NC > http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 20:53:06 2008 From: "Larry Daniels" To: "Dodd, Kelvin" , "Jack Feldman" Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:29:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? Or, in a pinch, lay a roll of duct tape on the floor and drop your cup in the hole. It won't slide around and you now have a roll of duct tape handy. Somebody ought to publish a list of all the uses for duct tape. Maybe somebody did, but it's too late to Google it. Hey, one more use for duct tape! Your cup shouldn't move -- use duct tape!! Larry Daniels 79 MGB LE 60 Bugeye 67 Austin A60 Pickup (Ute) "You only need two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape. If it doesn't move and should, use the WD-40. If it shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dodd, Kelvin" To: "Jack Feldman" ; Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? Jack: This is what I am using in my MGB, TR8 and Rover SD1. All cars built before coffee was invented evidently. http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=48945 It slips under the edge of a floor mat, so you do have to have either the Amco style floormats or some other fairly heavy mat. In my MGB it's hooked under the passenger mat on the edge closest to the tunnel. Kelvin > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Jack Feldman > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:40 AM > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mgs] Cup Holder? > > The console of my 72 is full of switches. > > I was wondering what other folks do for cup holders. > > Jack You are subscribed as ladaniels@sbcglobal.net Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 20:53:51 2008 From: "Larry Daniels" To: , "Peter C" Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:35:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? Ooops, I answered this one before reading the other answers. (Just got home after a road trip.) Looks like PPP and I have similarly goofy ideas. So, Peter, what other uses do you have for WD-40? Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter C" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? At 12:40 PM 4/30/2008, Jack Feldman wrote: >The console of my 72 is full of switches. > >I was wondering what other folks do for cup holders. > >Jack ============ Roll of duct tape is te right size. Peter C. You are subscribed as ladaniels@sbcglobal.net Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 22:22:43 2008 From: Barney Gaylord To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:31:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? At 12:40 PM 4/30/2008 -0500, Jack Feldman wrote: >.... >I was wondering what other folks do for cup holders. A 20 oz paper cup fits nicely in the door pocket of my MGA. For a quart size mug I improvise with cardboard and duct tape, like this: http://mgaguru.com/ak/pic10/10-19.htm Basrney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 23:28:18 2008 From: "Murray Arundell" To: "'Barney Gaylord'" , Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:27:43 +1000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? What is it with all you Yanks? Why don't you simply drink your dam coffee in the kitchen or cafi? I can never understand why one race of people decided to turn a machine designed to transport people into some kind of mobile Starbucks.......... :-) Murray Arundell Brisbane Australia -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+arundell=ghs.com.au@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+arundell=ghs.com.au@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barney Gaylord Sent: Thursday, 1 May 2008 1:32 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? At 12:40 PM 4/30/2008 -0500, Jack Feldman wrote: >.... >I was wondering what other folks do for cup holders. A 20 oz paper cup fits nicely in the door pocket of my MGA. For a quart size mug I improvise with cardboard and duct tape, like this: http://mgaguru.com/ak/pic10/10-19.htm Basrney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com You are subscribed as arundell@ghs.com.au Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 00:28:37 2008 From: David Breneman To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? --- Murray Arundell wrote: > What is it with all you Yanks? Why don't you simply drink your dam > coffee in the kitchen or cafi? Cup holders aren't for coffee, Murray, they're for beer. David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive