From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 02:28:29 2008 From: "Monte/Jane Morris" To: "David Breneman" Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:50:04 -1200 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? David, I have made an oak, two cup holder for my console (79B) that fits between the radio and the gear shift. I've used it for over 5 years now and it works great and is removable by one hand to access the heater controls if needed. I can send you a picture in about a month as we are now in Southeast Asia and China for another 5 weeks. Monte On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 5:32 PM, David Breneman wrote: > --- Murray Arundell wrote: > > > What is it with all you Yanks? Why don't you simply drink your dam > > coffee in the kitchen or cafi? > > Cup holders aren't for coffee, Murray, they're for beer. > > > David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as montejane@gmail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 02:57:58 2008 From: "Richard Gosling" To: "MG list" Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 09:19:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? "What is it with all you Yanks? Why don't you simply drink your dam coffee in the kitchen or cafi? I can never understand why one race of people decided to turn a machine designed to transport people into some kind of mobile Starbucks.......... :-)" Here here!! When I'm driving Sammy I'm too busy driving to be worried about drinking coffee. Filling your car with more cupholders than seats appears to be an exclusively American preoccupation - rather like cruise control, and automatic gearboxes, stuff to help you do anything other than drive your car, while you're driving your car. I don't like coffee (or tea, despite being British), on the rare occasions I feel the need to drink in my car I'll just clasp a bottle or can between my thighs... Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 07:11:41 2008 From: Dan DiBiase To: Murray Arundell , mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 05:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? Murray, a lot of long commutes here in the States make it vital to have some caffeine as you go along! Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress... '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html ----- Original Message ---- From: Murray Arundell To: Barney Gaylord ; mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2008 12:27:43 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? What is it with all you Yanks? Why don't you simply drink your dam coffee in the kitchen or cafi? I can never understand why one race of people decided to turn a machine designed to transport people into some kind of mobile Starbucks.......... :-) Murray Arundell Brisbane Australia -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+arundell=ghs.com.au@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+arundell=ghs.com.au@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barney Gaylord Sent: Thursday, 1 May 2008 1:32 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? At 12:40 PM 4/30/2008 -0500, Jack Feldman wrote: >.... >I was wondering what other folks do for cup holders. A 20 oz paper cup fits nicely in the door pocket of my MGA. For a quart size mug I improvise with cardboard and duct tape, like this: http://mgaguru.com/ak/pic10/10-19.htm Basrney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com You are subscribed as arundell@ghs.com.au Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as d_dibiase@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 07:14:38 2008 From: Eric Erickson To: MG list Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:39:54 +0930 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? On 01/05/2008, at 1:57 PM, Murray Arundell wrote: > What is it with all you Yanks? Why don't you simply drink your dam > coffee > in the kitchen or cafi? I can never understand why one race of people > decided to turn a machine designed to transport people into some > kind of > mobile Starbucks.......... :-) > > Although it doesn't really bother me what other people do in their cars, I have to sort-of, kind-of agree with Murray (yeah, we Aussies sometimes stick together :-) My longest "regular" drive is to the racetrack - which means a 50 minute cruise. I can last that long without a coffee if I have one before I leave and one when I get there! Longer than that, I can sometimes drive interstate for 9 or so hours - but if I am hanging out for a coffee I will generally pull over at a roadhouse and revive myself with a fifteen minute break and a coffee in the restaurant. Drinking and driving means having one hand off the wheel and your concentration off the road briefly so I wouldn't recommend that in traffic. In fact I had a small altercation with a women in a car in Sydney one time. My fault because I changed lanes into her in heavy traffic (I was watching the fool in front of my who decided to pull out at the same time) but I did ask her why she didn't beep her horn when she saw my indicator on and as I started to move over. It could have avoided the "scrape" all together. Her look answered my question - along with the cup of coffee in her hand and the coffee stain on her blouse! She didn't have a hand free to honk the horn! But as has also been mentioned - if I am thirsty I may hold a bottle of water between my legs (cold water is great on a warm day :-) or I might have a bottle wedged between the tunnel and the passenger seat that I can grab for a quick drink if I am dehydrating in 100+ degree heat. Cupholders? Sheesh, next you will be wanting on-board computers and DVD players! :-) I guess the Americans get caught in more traffic jams than us so they need their coffee. Eric '68 MGB MkII Adelaide, South Australia _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 07:18:59 2008 From: Eric Erickson To: MG list Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:49:13 +0930 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? On 01/05/2008, at 10:12 PM, Dan DiBiase wrote: > Murray, a lot of long commutes here in the States make it vital to > have some caffeine as you go along! > > What a controversy! Could "cup holders" tear the MG List apart. Comrade against comrade - at each others' throats. (I wonder if my coffee would have spilled in a cupholder when I was rear-ended last week :-) Eric '68 MGB MkII Adelaide, South Australia _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 09:47:59 2008 From: Dan DiBiase To: MG List , mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 08:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] RIP Frank Huber Saw this come across from Google. Frank's name seems familiar, was he a poster here? http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19528732&BRD=1698&PAG=461&dept_id=21847&rfi=6 Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress... '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 11:01:20 2008 From: "R. Martin Rogovein" To: "MG list" Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 19:58:55 +0300 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? BTW, there is a story that the cupholder actually dates to the first car. Apparently, Mr. Benz was driving the first PatentWagen to meet a group of potential investors, and took his coffee with him in the car. Of course, he spilled it all over his slacks, and looked like an idiot at the presentation. He immediately rushed home and invented the cupholder. Probably apocryphal, but it makes for a good story. Martin '70 B driveway sculpture (fried OD) Tel Aviv __________________________________________ "I don't have an angel and a devil on my shoulder, I have Rocky and Bullwinkle." -- Lore Sjoberg __________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 12:47:17 2008 From: "Oliver" To: Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:43:06 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] what is the car? saw this car in an ad (i think there's a woman in the picture somewhere too) anyone know what car this is? http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 13:05:22 2008 From: Paul Root To: Oliver Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:05:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] what is the car? looks like a MGA from the bracket on the windshield What's the ad for? On May 1, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Oliver wrote: > saw this car in an ad (i think there's a woman in the picture > somewhere too) > > anyone know what car this is? > > > http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 13:07:35 2008 From: Carl French To: Oliver Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] what is the car? Austin Healey 100m? or the like? Kind of reminds me of the fold down frame. Carl French Oliver wrote: saw this car in an ad (i think there's a woman in the picture somewhere too) anyone know what car this is? http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ You are subscribed as leylandauto@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 13:14:35 2008 From: Carl French To: Paul Root , Oliver Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] what is the car? Looks like Paul wins :-) Carl Paul Root wrote: looks like a MGA from the bracket on the windshield What's the ad for? On May 1, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Oliver wrote: > saw this car in an ad (i think there's a woman in the picture > somewhere too) > > anyone know what car this is? > > > http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ > _______________________________________________ You are subscribed as leylandauto@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 13:14:46 2008 From: jello@ida.net To: "Oliver" Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:10:34 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] what is the car? Anyone that drives one knows it's an MGA. All I had to see was the upper left hand corner, and I knew that. The banjo steering wheel's hub and the support bracket confirmed it. Watch, now I'll be wrong.... Phil Bates > saw this car in an ad (i think there's a woman in the picture somewhere > too) > > anyone know what car this is? > > > http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 13:35:42 2008 From: Dan DiBiase To: jello@ida.net, Oliver Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:36:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] what is the car? I dunno, if you look at the (admittedly blurry) seat, it looks more contoured than an A's. Also, isn't that the top in the background, just aft of the model's wrist? I would guess an A-H, with Carl. Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress... '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html ----- Original Message ---- From: "jello@ida.net" To: Oliver Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2008 3:10:34 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] what is the car? Anyone that drives one knows it's an MGA. All I had to see was the upper left hand corner, and I knew that. The banjo steering wheel's hub and the support bracket confirmed it. Watch, now I'll be wrong.... Phil Bates > saw this car in an ad (i think there's a woman in the picture somewhere > too) > > anyone know what car this is? > > > http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ You are subscribed as d_dibiase@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 13:37:15 2008 From: "Don Scott" To: Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 12:37:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] what is the car? For the scholars- What year or model MGA is it? And does it have wire or disc wheels? >>> Carl French 05/01/08 12:10 PM >>> Looks like Paul wins :-) Carl Paul Root wrote: looks like a MGA from the bracket on the windshield What's the ad for? On May 1, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Oliver wrote: > saw this car in an ad (i think there's a woman in the picture > somewhere too) > > anyone know what car this is? > > > http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ > _______________________________________________ You are subscribed as leylandauto@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 13:49:14 2008 From: "Oliver" To: Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:45:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] what is the car? "shown here top to bottom, and complements of lord & taylor are Stein and Blye, goldtone link bracelet, Robert Rose, goldtone round link bracelet, Michael Kors, goldtone link watch with white leather, AK Anne Klein, goldtone padlock charm watch bracelet." never read the ad until now. pulled it out of some summer shopping catlog my daughter had. she thinks i'm really funny because i always want to know what the car is. sometimes i even know ;-) thanks to all! > Paul Root wrote: > looks like a MGA from the bracket on the windshield > > What's the ad for? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 13:59:56 2008 From: "Simon Matthews" To: jello@ida.net Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:55:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] what is the car? Yeah, the support bracket/handle marks it as definitely an MGA One of the first repairs I made on my MGA was to replace the bracket that the hood attaches to. This requires a partial dismantling of the windshield. I would recognize an MGA windsheild anywhere. Regards, Simon On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:10 PM, wrote: > Anyone that drives one knows it's an MGA. All I had to see was the upper > left hand corner, and I knew that. The banjo steering wheel's hub and the > support bracket confirmed it. > > Watch, now I'll be wrong.... > > Phil Bates _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 14:02:22 2008 From: "Rick Brown" To: Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:03:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] what is the car? Without a doubt this is an MGA Rick Webmaster for: ___________________________________________________________ http://www.mgcars.org.uk/namgbr - The North American MGB Register http://www.mgcars.org.uk/mgcouncil - North American Council of MG Registers http://www.britishcarclub.net - The Suncoast Classic MG Club and Nature Coast English Car Club ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Oliver" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 15:10 Subject: Re: [Mgs] what is the car? > Anyone that drives one knows it's an MGA. All I had to see was the upper > left hand corner, and I knew that. The banjo steering wheel's hub and the > support bracket confirmed it. > > Watch, now I'll be wrong.... > > Phil Bates >> saw this car in an ad (i think there's a woman in the picture somewhere >> too) >> >> anyone know what car this is? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 15:18:07 2008 From: "Stuart MacMillan" To: Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:12:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] cup holders---I'm re-joining the list! Hello all, Most valuable info I've seen yet! ;-). I've been getting the digest for a long time just to glean the nuggets of good info like this, but I may be able to contribute a bit too. And the digest is a PITA to read anyway. A quick update on me: I've got a '65 MGB roadster (purchased in 1969, second owner) that I drive regularly, although it needs a complete interior and exterior restoration (engine and transmission are nearly new). My son has a renovated and painted '64 pull handle roadster shell awaiting completion in my garage, my daughter has a '72 GT with a blown head gasket (I hope that's all it is) I plan on fixing someday, and I have a one owner '73 rust free GT with OD (brought from Texas) basket case (body parts in basket, rest is intact) that I'm going to find a new owner for this summer. I'll pop a few photos on Flickr one of these days. I've also parted out several Bs, and will be selling or giving away some parts soon. I'll probably have one late and one early OD tranny available. Time to dig myself out from under all the stuff I've stored. Anybody need anything? I probably have it. So, you can tell I'm an old f**t! Stuart MacMillan Seattle P.S.: The bloke who wonders why we need cup holders obviously doesn't spend the time stuck in traffic that I do! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 15:47:15 2008 From: "Stuart MacMillan" To: "'frank'" , Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:42:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] cup holders---I'm re-joining the list! Hi Frank, I'll have to check, I may. IIRC, my early boxes are small input shaft versions, and there is a pilot bushing that will reduce a larger crank shaft hole to accept these. Moss used to sell one anyway. I'm a bit out of touch still. I do have a rebuilt late model OD if you want to bash out the tunnel and change starters! Stuart -----Original Message----- From: frank [mailto:frankk@intap.net] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 2:22 PM To: Stuart MacMillan Subject: Re: [Mgs] cup holders---I'm re-joining the list! Stuart: Welcome! I have a 1964 B as well. Do you happen to have an od tranny for a 3 main B? Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart MacMillan" To: Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] cup holders---I'm re-joining the list! > Hello all, > > > > Most valuable info I've seen yet! ;-). I've been getting the digest for > a > long time just to glean the nuggets of good info like this, but I may be > able to contribute a bit too. And the digest is a PITA to read anyway. > > > > A quick update on me: I've got a '65 MGB roadster (purchased in 1969, > second owner) that I drive regularly, although it needs a complete > interior > and exterior restoration (engine and transmission are nearly new). My son > has a renovated and painted '64 pull handle roadster shell awaiting > completion in my garage, my daughter has a '72 GT with a blown head gasket > (I hope that's all it is) I plan on fixing someday, and I have a one owner > '73 rust free GT with OD (brought from Texas) basket case (body parts in > basket, rest is intact) that I'm going to find a new owner for this > summer. > I'll pop a few photos on Flickr one of these days. > > > > I've also parted out several Bs, and will be selling or giving away some > parts soon. I'll probably have one late and one early OD tranny > available. > Time to dig myself out from under all the stuff I've stored. Anybody need > anything? I probably have it. > > > > So, you can tell I'm an old f**t! > > > > Stuart MacMillan > > Seattle > > > > P.S.: The bloke who wonders why we need cup holders obviously doesn't > spend > the time stuck in traffic that I do! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 16:51:49 2008 From: Ron Engelhardt To: mgs Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 15:52:08 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] what is the car? It's a 58 with disk wheels ;-) Ron 58 MGA Don Scott wrote: > For the scholars- > What year or model MGA is it? And does it have wire or > disc wheels? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 17:17:17 2008 From: "Howard Battan" To: "mgs" Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:13:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] what is the car? Actually, it looks just like my '57 that has the Dunlop 'Twin Cam" center lock disk wheel and 4-wheel disk brakes. Hard to tell by that picture, however. Howard Battan '54 TF 1250 '57 MGA roadster '79 MGB roadster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Engelhardt" To: "mgs" Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] what is the car? > It's a 58 with disk wheels ;-) > > Ron > 58 MGA > > > Don Scott wrote: > >> For the scholars- >> What year or model MGA is it? And does it have wire or >> disc wheels? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as battanhr@comcast.net > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 17:34:01 2008 From: "Murray Arundell" To: "'Eric Erickson'" , "'MG list'" Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 09:25:27 +1000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? There have been more post on the coffee cup issue than anything I can remember...... A little sad really. Anyway I never drink and drive... I spill too much. -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+arundell=ghs.com.au@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+arundell=ghs.com.au@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Eric Erickson Sent: Thursday, 1 May 2008 11:19 PM To: MG list Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? On 01/05/2008, at 10:12 PM, Dan DiBiase wrote: > Murray, a lot of long commutes here in the States make it vital to > have some caffeine as you go along! > > What a controversy! Could "cup holders" tear the MG List apart. Comrade against comrade - at each others' throats. (I wonder if my coffee would have spilled in a cupholder when I was rear-ended last week :-) Eric '68 MGB MkII Adelaide, South Australia You are subscribed as arundell@ghs.com.au Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 18:24:13 2008 From: MGTDB@aol.com To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:25:05 EDT Subject: [Mgs] Kumho tires Sometime ago there was a posting about putting Kumho tires on an MGB. I was wondering if anyone has put Kumhos on wires, what size did you use and how has it worked out....... Thanks, Karyn 57 MGA 67 MGB **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 19:02:13 2008 From: Carl French To: MGTDB@aol.com, mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Kumho tires You can easily do 175/70/14. I would imagine there are many using 185/70/14 as well but the 4.5 rim is pretty narrow for that. Kumho makes some good tires and some so so tires. They seem to make fairly good touring tires. I would look at the reviews at the tire rack as they sell the line. Carl MGTDB@aol.com wrote: Sometime ago there was a posting about putting Kumho tires on an MGB. I was wondering if anyone has put Kumhos on wires, what size did you use and how has it worked out....... Thanks, Karyn 57 MGA 67 MGB **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) You are subscribed as leylandauto@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 19:02:43 2008 From: "Stuart MacMillan" To: "'Larry Daniels'" , Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:57:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] cup holders---I'm re-joining the list! Hi Larry, I have no idea what it's worth. I took it out of a '74 GT way back in the early '90's, and rebuilt it completely. It worked fine, I just rebuilt it for the fun of it. I've done two others with good results, so I think I know what I'm doing. That said, I'd have to sell it "as is, no warranty" since I've never tested it. I'll check around and see what these go for. Feel free to make me an offer. Stuart -----Original Message----- From: Larry Daniels [mailto:ladaniels@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 4:00 PM To: Stuart MacMillan Subject: Re: [Mgs] cup holders---I'm re-joining the list! Stuart, what would you be looking for on the late OD trans? Larry Daniels ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart MacMillan" To: Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] cup holders---I'm re-joining the list! Hello all, Most valuable info I've seen yet! ;-). I've been getting the digest for a long time just to glean the nuggets of good info like this, but I may be able to contribute a bit too. And the digest is a PITA to read anyway. A quick update on me: I've got a '65 MGB roadster (purchased in 1969, second owner) that I drive regularly, although it needs a complete interior and exterior restoration (engine and transmission are nearly new). My son has a renovated and painted '64 pull handle roadster shell awaiting completion in my garage, my daughter has a '72 GT with a blown head gasket (I hope that's all it is) I plan on fixing someday, and I have a one owner '73 rust free GT with OD (brought from Texas) basket case (body parts in basket, rest is intact) that I'm going to find a new owner for this summer. I'll pop a few photos on Flickr one of these days. I've also parted out several Bs, and will be selling or giving away some parts soon. I'll probably have one late and one early OD tranny available. Time to dig myself out from under all the stuff I've stored. Anybody need anything? I probably have it. So, you can tell I'm an old f**t! Stuart MacMillan Seattle P.S.: The bloke who wonders why we need cup holders obviously doesn't spend the time stuck in traffic that I do! You are subscribed as ladaniels@sbcglobal.net Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 19:03:37 2008 From: Rick Lindsay To: MGS , tr3a , sl Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] Advice needed, WAY OT Hey gang, Forgive my slow-time off-topic post, but are any of you Land Rover owners? BOTH of my 2003 Land Rover Discovery's front side window mechanisms are broken. The passenger side gave-way about two days ago. The driver's side broke months ago. The little plastic rollers that run in the track at the lower edge of the glass have shattered, separated and are probably somewhere down in the bowels of the door. Question is: Is there a cheaper (than the dealer) source for replacement control arms, complete with their crappy little fragile plastic rollers? Please share. Okay, same question about the wiper stalk switch assembly. And yes, its broken too. Works okay in hot weather but fails on cold rainy days. You know, the kinds of days when you need wipers! Do you know of an affordable source for these parts too? Please share. And while we're at it it; I just bought a new rear wiper blade from the dealer, at a STUPIDLY expensive price. It lifts away from the glass at the upper limit of its normal path, leaving a half-assed wiped rear window. Add that to a massive clunk when lifting and accelerating and you have a pretty problematical vehicle. Still, silly thing will pull a full tow load straight up, is uber-fun to drive and will outlast a ground-zero nuclear blast. And yes, all of that is why I'm fixing it rather than trading it in on a Honda CR-V. :-o regards and thanks for any advice on parts sources, rick '03 Discovery lots of other junk _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 19:17:37 2008 From: "Stuart MacMillan" To: , Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:11:06 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Kumho tires Hi Karyn, Don't know about the Kumhos, but I put a set of Sumitomo HTR 200 175 R14 tires on new Dayton wire wheels from www.britishwirewheels.com and I love them! That was about five years ago, so the tires are probably NLA the way manufacturers change products. If you are using your original wires, then you need to put tubes in. I got tired of the rust bits making punctures in my tubes so I finally broke down and bought new wires that are sealed with silicone caulk. The old wheels vibrated at 60 mph anyway, and could not be tuned. Stuart -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+macgroup=comcast.net@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+macgroup=comcast.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MGTDB@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 5:25 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Kumho tires Sometime ago there was a posting about putting Kumho tires on an MGB. I was wondering if anyone has put Kumhos on wires, what size did you use and how has it worked out....... Thanks, Karyn 57 MGA 67 MGB **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 19:19:22 2008 From: Carl French To: Rick Lindsay , MGS , tr3a Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Advice needed, WAY OT This seems to be a popular company; http://www.roversnorth.com/store/c-500-discovery-ii.aspx Rick Lindsay wrote: Hey gang, Forgive my slow-time off-topic post, but are any of you Land Rover owners? BOTH of my 2003 Land Rover Discovery's front side window mechanisms are broken. The passenger side gave-way about two days ago. The driver's side broke months ago. The little plastic rollers that run in the track at the lower edge of the glass have shattered, separated and are probably somewhere down in the bowels of the door. Question is: Is there a cheaper (than the dealer) source for replacement control arms, complete with their crappy little fragile plastic rollers? Please share. Okay, same question about the wiper stalk switch assembly. And yes, its broken too. Works okay in hot weather but fails on cold rainy days. You know, the kinds of days when you need wipers! Do you know of an affordable source for these parts too? Please share. And while we're at it it; I just bought a new rear wiper blade from the dealer, at a STUPIDLY expensive price. It lifts away from the glass at the upper limit of its normal path, leaving a half-assed wiped rear window. Add that to a massive clunk when lifting and accelerating and you have a pretty problematical vehicle. Still, silly thing will pull a full tow load straight up, is uber-fun to drive and will outlast a ground-zero nuclear blast. And yes, all of that is why I'm fixing it rather than trading it in on a Honda CR-V. :-o regards and thanks for any advice on parts sources, rick '03 Discovery lots of other junk You are subscribed as leylandauto@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 19:22:09 2008 From: "Stuart MacMillan" To: "'Rick Lindsay'" , "'MGS'" Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:22:13 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Advice needed, WAY OT Put the engine and ECU in an MGB, and have the carcass hauled off, or sell it on eBay! Seriously, the big problem with LRs (and many other cars) is poor quality parts from their suppliers. You'll just have to live with that if you keep it. Stuart -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+macgroup=comcast.net@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+macgroup=comcast.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rick Lindsay Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 6:02 PM To: MGS; tr3a; sl Subject: [Mgs] Advice needed, WAY OT Hey gang, Forgive my slow-time off-topic post, but are any of you Land Rover owners? BOTH of my 2003 Land Rover Discovery's front side window mechanisms are broken. The passenger side gave-way about two days ago. The driver's side broke months ago. The little plastic rollers that run in the track at the lower edge of the glass have shattered, separated and are probably somewhere down in the bowels of the door. Question is: Is there a cheaper (than the dealer) source for replacement control arms, complete with their crappy little fragile plastic rollers? Please share. Okay, same question about the wiper stalk switch assembly. And yes, its broken too. Works okay in hot weather but fails on cold rainy days. You know, the kinds of days when you need wipers! Do you know of an affordable source for these parts too? Please share. And while we're at it it; I just bought a new rear wiper blade from the dealer, at a STUPIDLY expensive price. It lifts away from the glass at the upper limit of its normal path, leaving a half-assed wiped rear window. Add that to a massive clunk when lifting and accelerating and you have a pretty problematical vehicle. Still, silly thing will pull a full tow load straight up, is uber-fun to drive and will outlast a ground-zero nuclear blast. And yes, all of that is why I'm fixing it rather than trading it in on a Honda CR-V. :-o regards and thanks for any advice on parts sources, rick '03 Discovery lots of other junk Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 19:32:31 2008 From: "mg.carma" To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 21:27:47 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] two door locks? can anyone tell me why my RHD MGB has two door lock cylinders? take a look: http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/mgcarma/1966%20MGB%20RHD/1966RHDMGB23.jpg any ideas? alarm? seems to be factory K _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 19:33:01 2008 From: "Stuart MacMillan" To: "'MGS'" Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:28:53 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Good grief--price of OD tranny http://tinyurl.com/5wb2p5 I'd better get that storage room cleaned out! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 19:39:05 2008 From: Brad Wilson To: "Murray Arundell" Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 20:39:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder? At 11:27 PM 30/04/2008, you wrote: >What is it with all you Yanks? Why don't you simply drink your dam coffee >in the kitchen or cafi? I can never understand why one race of people >decided to turn a machine designed to transport people into some kind of >mobile Starbucks.......... :-) > >Murray Arundell >Brisbane Australia As a Canadian living in the US, I am going to have to break ranks with my commonwealth companions and side with the Yanks on this one. American driving conditions & distances make cup holders a valuable accessory, not unlike automatic gearboxes for that matter. I leave for work at 6am for an hour long motorway commute and greatly appreciate the cup holder in my XJ6. On a recent drive from Nantes to Bordeaux and back, my only criticism of the Citroen rental car was that the cup holders were a joke! They could not support a bottle of water under even the most gentle of braking, forcing me to recap it each time, or place it between my knees, hardly conducive to safe driving. Brad _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 19:48:45 2008 From: "Richard Ewald" To: "Rick Lindsay" Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:43:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Advice needed, WAY OT I don't have a parts source for you, but this made me recall that Lucas invented the intermittent wiper. Works fine on sunny days, doesn't work in the rain. > Okay, same question about the wiper stalk switch > assembly. And yes, its broken too. Works okay in hot > weather but fails on cold rainy days. You know, the > kinds of days when you need wipers! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 20:03:03 2008 From: "Murray Arundell" To: "'Stuart MacMillan'" , "'Rick Lindsay'" Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 11:46:54 +1000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Advice needed, WAY OT I love LRs and RRs too. Have had a few of each but no more. Just bought a Mercedes ML and there is no comparison in build quality, appointments and performance. Better residuals too. Sure the ML wont "climb every mountain" but it will go where I want it to and drag my car trailer anywhere. I suggest that you get in touch with the Land Rover Owners Club. There will be chapters throughout the USA. They will be able to point you in the right direction for reasonably priced spares. Land Rover Dealers are unbelievable with the prices they charge. Murray Arundell Brisbane Australia -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+arundell=ghs.com.au@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+arundell=ghs.com.au@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stuart MacMillan Sent: Friday, 2 May 2008 11:22 AM To: 'Rick Lindsay'; 'MGS' Subject: Re: [Mgs] Advice needed, WAY OT Put the engine and ECU in an MGB, and have the carcass hauled off, or sell it on eBay! Seriously, the big problem with LRs (and many other cars) is poor quality parts from their suppliers. You'll just have to live with that if you keep it. Stuart -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+macgroup=comcast.net@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+macgroup=comcast.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rick Lindsay Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 6:02 PM To: MGS; tr3a; sl Subject: [Mgs] Advice needed, WAY OT Hey gang, Forgive my slow-time off-topic post, but are any of you Land Rover owners? BOTH of my 2003 Land Rover Discovery's front side window mechanisms are broken. The passenger side gave-way about two days ago. The driver's side broke months ago. The little plastic rollers that run in the track at the lower edge of the glass have shattered, separated and are probably somewhere down in the bowels of the door. Question is: Is there a cheaper (than the dealer) source for replacement control arms, complete with their crappy little fragile plastic rollers? Please share. Okay, same question about the wiper stalk switch assembly. And yes, its broken too. Works okay in hot weather but fails on cold rainy days. You know, the kinds of days when you need wipers! Do you know of an affordable source for these parts too? Please share. And while we're at it it; I just bought a new rear wiper blade from the dealer, at a STUPIDLY expensive price. It lifts away from the glass at the upper limit of its normal path, leaving a half-assed wiped rear window. Add that to a massive clunk when lifting and accelerating and you have a pretty problematical vehicle. Still, silly thing will pull a full tow load straight up, is uber-fun to drive and will outlast a ground-zero nuclear blast. And yes, all of that is why I'm fixing it rather than trading it in on a Honda CR-V. :-o regards and thanks for any advice on parts sources, rick '03 Discovery lots of other junk Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as arundell@ghs.com.au Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 20:41:19 2008 From: "Stuart MacMillan" To: "'MGS'" Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 19:41:23 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Another cup holder This works really well. I also put one in my daughter's GT, I attached it to the tunnel (with a screw). It fits neatly between the shifter and the console, and folds up out of the way. Nice design, and heavy duty. Not big enough for a 64oz Big Gulp though! http://tinyurl.com/6xd9wk Stuart _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 20:44:21 2008 From: "Ron Fine" To: , Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 19:44:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Kumho tires I recently mounted new Kumho tires, 175 70 R14 Power Star 758 on factory wire wheels. They look good and run well on the street. I'm happy with them. Ron 66 MGB 61 BN7 > Sometime ago there was a posting about putting Kumho tires on an MGB. I > was wondering if anyone has put Kumhos on wires, what size did you use > and how > has it worked out....... > > Thanks, > > Karyn > 57 MGA > 67 MGB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 20:50:50 2008 From: Carl French To: "mg.carma" , mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 19:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] two door locks? My guess would be an old alarm system. Some of them had keys. Carl "mg.carma" wrote: can anyone tell me why my RHD MGB has two door lock cylinders? take a look: http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/mgcarma/1966%20MGB%20RHD/1966RHDMGB23.jpg any ideas? alarm? seems to be factory K You are subscribed as leylandauto@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 20:52:16 2008 From: Carl French To: Stuart MacMillan , 'MGS' Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 19:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Good grief--price of OD tranny You can ASK any price you want. Having said that, the price on eBay seems to now be a minimum of $700. Carl Stuart MacMillan wrote: http://tinyurl.com/5wb2p5 I'd better get that storage room cleaned out! You are subscribed as leylandauto@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 20:53:26 2008 From: "Eric Markley" To: "mg.carma" , Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:53:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] two door locks? An alarm is possible. Maybe a battery cutoff switch creatively engineered to work with your door key. I've never heard of such a thing being done by the factory but Paul Hunt would likely know if they did. Eric in Florida (nice warm spring weather) 1974 B -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+ericemarkley=bellsouth.net@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+ericemarkley=bellsouth.net@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of mg.carma Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:28 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] two door locks? can anyone tell me why my RHD MGB has two door lock cylinders? take a look: http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/mgcarma/1966%20MGB%20RHD/1966RHDMGB23. jpg any ideas? alarm? seems to be factory K You are subscribed as ericemarkley@bellsouth.net Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1409 - Release Date: 5/1/2008 8:39 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 20:53:55 2008 From: "Martin C. Galan" To: Richard Ewald , Rick Lindsay Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 19:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] now intermittent wiper Just a point of clarification was it not Robert Kearns (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54564-2005Feb25.html) or a certain Mr. Harada from Japan who have a greater claim to inventing the intermittent wiper? Richard Ewald wrote: I don't have a parts source for you, but this made me recall that Lucas invented the intermittent wiper. Works fine on sunny days, doesn't work in the rain. > Okay, same question about the wiper stalk switch > assembly. And yes, its broken too. Works okay in hot > weather but fails on cold rainy days. You know, the > kinds of days when you need wipers! You are subscribed as batangelias@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 21:02:57 2008 From: "Richard Ewald" To: "Martin C. Galan" Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:03:11 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] now intermittent wiper Whoosh! Naw it was Lucas, they invented it right after they invented the world's first self dimming headlight. (Hint: go back and read the last sentence of my first post) ~VBG~ Rick On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Martin C. Galan wrote: > Just a point of clarification was it not Robert Kearns ( > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54564-2005Feb25.html) or a > certain Mr. Harada from Japan who have a greater claim to inventing the > intermittent wiper? > > > > *Richard Ewald * wrote: > > I don't have a parts source for you, but this made me recall that Lucas > invented the intermittent wiper. Works fine on sunny days, doesn't work in > the rain. > > > > > > Okay, same question about the wiper stalk switch > > assembly. And yes, its broken too. Works okay in hot > > weather but fails on cold rainy days. You know, the > > kinds of days when you need wipers! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as batangelias@yahoo.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > ------------------------------ > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 21:17:58 2008 From: "Stuart MacMillan" To: "'mg.carma'" , Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:14:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] two door locks? Yes, most likely an alarm switch. Kinda cool, actually. Just pull the interior panel off the rear quarter inside and check it out. You will have to remove the top frame, but then you will know for sure. Stuart -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+macgroup=comcast.net@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+macgroup=comcast.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl French Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:51 PM To: mg.carma; mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] two door locks? My guess would be an old alarm system. Some of them had keys. Carl "mg.carma" wrote: can anyone tell me why my RHD MGB has two door lock cylinders? take a look: http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/mgcarma/1966%20MGB%20RHD/1966RHDMGB23. jpg any ideas? alarm? seems to be factory K You are subscribed as leylandauto@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 21:22:56 2008 From: MGMagnette@aol.com To: leylandauto@yahoo.com, macgroup@comcast.net, mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 23:21:53 EDT Subject: Re: [Mgs] Good grief--price of OD tranny I guess this is a good time to ask... Anyone in the Northeast selling an OD Tranny? I've got a '72 B which would just love one. -John **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 22:44:49 2008 From: "Councill, David" To: "Rick Lindsay" , "MGS" Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:45:07 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Advice needed, WAY OT The only cheap part I have had a problem with on my Land Rover Discovery is the cup holder (how is that for on topic?). And in the USA, cup holders are a key selling point for a car. Sometimes the retracting cup holder does not slide all the way back in the dash and it only holds narrow cups, definitely less than 16 oz capacity. But having said that, I don't buy parts from the dealer but then the closest one is at least 500 miles away. I do mail order mostly through Atlantic British: http://www.roverparts.com/ But if I ever need something obscure, I would probably order from Rimmer Bros in the UK: http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/rimmer/discovery/discoveryindx So far my LR has been fairly reliable and what maintenance I have done was easy even though it was moderately expensive (replace suspension air bags, fix electrical problem with SRS light). Off roading has been exceptional, exceeding the performance of my Landcruiser. David Councill 67 BGT 72 B 74 Toyota Landcruiser 01 Land Rover Discovery II -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+dcouncill=msubillings.edu@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+dcouncill=msubillings.edu@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rick Lindsay Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:02 PM To: MGS; tr3a; sl Subject: [Mgs] Advice needed, WAY OT Hey gang, Forgive my slow-time off-topic post, but are any of you Land Rover owners? BOTH of my 2003 Land Rover Discovery's front side window mechanisms are broken. The passenger side gave-way about two days ago. The driver's side broke months ago. The little plastic rollers that run in the track at the lower edge of the glass have shattered, separated and are probably somewhere down in the bowels of the door. Question is: Is there a cheaper (than the dealer) source for replacement control arms, complete with their crappy little fragile plastic rollers? Please share. Okay, same question about the wiper stalk switch assembly. And yes, its broken too. Works okay in hot weather but fails on cold rainy days. You know, the kinds of days when you need wipers! Do you know of an affordable source for these parts too? Please share. And while we're at it it; I just bought a new rear wiper blade from the dealer, at a STUPIDLY expensive price. It lifts away from the glass at the upper limit of its normal path, leaving a half-assed wiped rear window. Add that to a massive clunk when lifting and accelerating and you have a pretty problematical vehicle. Still, silly thing will pull a full tow load straight up, is uber-fun to drive and will outlast a ground-zero nuclear blast. And yes, all of that is why I'm fixing it rather than trading it in on a Honda CR-V. :-o regards and thanks for any advice on parts sources, rick '03 Discovery lots of other junk _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 1 22:56:55 2008 From: David Woerpel To: MGs , Spridgets Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 23:57:06 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] No LBC, Les Paul FWIW: For you music aficionados, Milwaukee's Discovery World Museum is developing a new exhibit. When I was teaching I took classes for 12 day trips on he Denis Sullivan while it was in Florida. It's quite a place and I'm glad they are honoring a fellow Waukesha WI boy. Their web site is: http://www.discoveryworld.org/ No mention it about the exhibit yet. Here's the announcement: *One-of-a-kind Exhibit to Open in June at Discovery World! * We are truly excited to announce a brand new exhibit, "Les Paul's House of Sound," which will open at Discovery World in June. Les Paul has been at the forefront of music, entertainment, electronics and technology for nearly 80 years, and he got his start as a youngster right here in Waukesha, Wisconsin. This summer, Discovery World will use Les' personal collection to showcase the evolution of innovations like the modern electric guitar and sound mixing. Most people know about the Les Paul guitar, but many don't know that he was a music and television star and a lifetime innovator who has inspired musicians and non-musicians for generations. Our exhibit will enable visitors to seek the inspiration and creative energy that have made Les a pioneer and renowned artist for decades. Starting in June, we will display inventions and instruments that nobody has seen in more than 50 years. The spirit of ingenuity and innovation in Les Paul is spirit of Wisconsin and Discovery World, and we can't wait to inspire "kids" from 8 - 80 with this unique experience. Here's a piece about it on our NBC affiliate. You have to sit through a Mazda 3 ad first. http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/18424889.html?video=pop&t=a&brand=mkevideo OK, now back to changing the oil in Sprite and MGA. Dave 59 :{) 59 MGA 1500 05 MCS Burlington WI _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 2 02:03:51 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Oliver" , Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 08:59:55 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] what is the car? Dunno, but if her taste in jewellery is anything to go by it isn't going to be sophisticated ... ----- Original Message ----- > saw this car in an ad (i think there's a woman in the picture somewhere > too) > anyone know what car this is? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 2 02:04:20 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "mg.carma" , Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 09:03:09 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] two door locks? A PO added it, definitely not factory. What makes you say it is? Anyone could add a standard lock anywhere on the car. Unlikely to be a lock there as it is behind the face of the B-post the main lock engages with. Switch for an alarm? Does make some sense being an RHD. Remove the trim panel from behind the seat and have a look-see. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > can anyone tell me why my RHD MGB has two door lock cylinders? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 2 05:13:58 2008 From: David Breneman To: David Woerpel , MGs , Spridgets Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 04:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] No LBC, Les Paul I hope they don't pass on the myth that Las Paul invented the multitrack tape deck. He bought the first one, but Ampex engineers invented it (and I've met one of them). Funny he feels compelled to repeat that story. It's not like he didn't have any real accomplishments of his own! David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 2 05:33:08 2008 From: Dan DiBiase To: Stuart MacMillan , mgs@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 04:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] cup holders---I'm re-joining the list! Welcome back, Stuart! Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress... '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html ----- Original Message ---- From: Stuart MacMillan To: mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2008 5:12:19 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] cup holders---I'm re-joining the list! Hello all, Most valuable info I've seen yet! ;-). I've been getting the digest for a long time just to glean the nuggets of good info like this, but I may be able to contribute a bit too. And the digest is a PITA to read anyway. A quick update on me: I've got a '65 MGB roadster (purchased in 1969, second owner) that I drive regularly, although it needs a complete interior and exterior restoration (engine and transmission are nearly new). My son has a renovated and painted '64 pull handle roadster shell awaiting completion in my garage, my daughter has a '72 GT with a blown head gasket (I hope that's all it is) I plan on fixing someday, and I have a one owner '73 rust free GT with OD (brought from Texas) basket case (body parts in basket, rest is intact) that I'm going to find a new owner for this summer. I'll pop a few photos on Flickr one of these days. I've also parted out several Bs, and will be selling or giving away some parts soon. I'll probably have one late and one early OD tranny available. Time to dig myself out from under all the stuff I've stored. Anybody need anything? I probably have it. So, you can tell I'm an old f**t! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 2 05:35:23 2008 From: "James Schulte" To: MGMagnette@aol.com, Mgs@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 07:35:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Good grief--price of OD tranny Come to MG 2008 there will be one at the silent auction on Saturday night. Jim Schulte Aquatic Coordinator Souderton S.D. Co-Secretary Philadelphia MG Club Co-Coordinator MG 2008 Eastern HS WP Officials Scheduler ______________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 2 06:27:22 2008 From: "frank" To: Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 08:27:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Good grief--price of OD tranny John: I have a 72 B carcass that still has most of the engine and an od tranny in it. The car is a sad case. Some old farmer around here built a kit car and needed MGB body parts for it so he trashed a perfectly good 72 B but left the engine and od tranny intact. It has been sitting for quite some time so I have no idea of its condition. I have picked parts off the motor for some time so the only thing left is the block and head really and the od tranny. I am in Rhode Island. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Good grief--price of OD tranny >I guess this is a good time to ask... Anyone in the Northeast selling an >OD > Tranny? I've got a '72 B which would just love one. -John _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 2 07:06:39 2008 From: Dan DiBiase To: Stuart MacMillan , MGS Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 06:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Another cup holder I find it funny that it's a 'German-engineered' cupholder - as for many years, the German cars had among the worst cupholders made! My Audi A4 has a pop-out model in the dash that causes the beverage to sit directly in front of one of the air vents. So, if you have coffee in there, it cools it quickly, even if you close the vent. And it's positioned directly above the radio, so that any beverage that might sweat a little (like a water bottle in the summer) drips directly down on the radio's face. And when you fold it to push it back into the dash, it tilts enough so that any liquid that might have collected in the bottom, dumps directly on the radio! It also has the 'wobblies' if the bottle is a little narrow. There are 2 cupholders in the center armrest, but if I use them, they interfere with my elbow when shifting. Oh well, I didn't but the Audi for the cupholders! Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress... '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html ----- Original Message ---- From: Stuart MacMillan To: MGS Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2008 10:41:23 PM Subject: [Mgs] Another cup holder This works really well. I also put one in my daughter's GT, I attached it to the tunnel (with a screw). It fits neatly between the shifter and the console, and folds up out of the way. Nice design, and heavy duty. Not big enough for a 64oz Big Gulp though! http://tinyurl.com/6xd9wk Stuart You are subscribed as d_dibiase@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 2 08:14:13 2008 From: "Councill, David" To: "Dan DiBiase" , "MGS" Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 08:14:32 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Another cup holder Maybe the German engineering is responsible for the LR cup holder fiasco. One of my tougher LR problems was the occasional appearance of the SRS idiot light on the dash. I had no idea what this meant but a search on the Internet revealed that this was a common BMW problem related to the airbag! In the end and through a tip on a LR discussion group, I found a loose wiring connection under the driver's seat related to the seat belt warning system which apparently is part of this SRS system. That was good because otherwise the problem could have been in the airbag system embedded in the steering column. One thing I like on the Land Rover is the good British engineering that allows me to do my own repairs (so far). It replaced a Ford Explorer that was fairly reliable but with the exception of replacing the shocks, I had to have most of the work done by a professional shop. David Councill 67 BGT 72 B 74 Toyota Landcruiser 01 Land Rover Discovery II -----Original Message----- I find it funny that it's a 'German-engineered' cupholder - as for many years, the German cars had among the worst cupholders made! My Audi A4 has a pop-out model in the dash that causes the beverage to sit directly in front of one of the air vents. So, if you have coffee in there, it cools it quickly, even if you close the vent. And it's positioned directly above the radio, so that any beverage that might sweat a little (like a water bottle in the summer) drips directly down on the radio's face. And when you fold it to push it back into the dash, it tilts enough so that any liquid that might have collected in the bottom, dumps directly on the radio! It also has the 'wobblies' if the bottle is a little narrow. There are 2 cupholders in the center armrest, but if I use them, they interfere with my elbow when shifting. Oh well, I didn't but the Audi for the cupholders! Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress... '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 2 10:36:58 2008 From: "Stuart MacMillan" To: Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 09:36:49 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] 1974 OD tranny info Boy, I went though some of my receipts for my failed GT restoration project. That was depressing! I don't really want to know what I've put into my MGs over the last 40 years! At least I have ONE that runs. Anyway, it looks like I only have one OD tranny, and that's from a '74 GT that I rebuilt in 1993. Listed below is what went into it. I may have to put it on eBay to determine what it's worth, and I'd have at least a $1000 reserve. But, I may keep it for my daughter's '72, and sell hers (works great!) for less. I'm also going to sell my '73 project GT, but if I can't sell it for restoration, I'll pull the OD out of it as well, it may be worth more than the car. It was also working fine. Rebuilt 1974 OD gearbox parts list: Trans O/H kit: $270 (bearings, syncros and layshaft) Ball bearings: $24 Rear mainshaft bearing: $20 OD o-ring set: $15 OD gasket set: $17 OD non-return valve kit: $12 OD thrust bearing: $60 OD annulus seal: $8 Rear seal: $5 Front cover seal: $3 Trans gasket set: $9 Appox 30 hrs labor: priceless! Total: $443 1993 dollars Total in 2008 dollars: about $650 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 2 11:09:51 2008 From: Max Heim To: "mg.carma" , MG List Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 09:52:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] two door locks? Um, it was buiilt on the day after the World Cup final? (hungover workers) on 5/1/08 6:27 PM, mg.carma at mg.carma@verizon.net wrote: > can anyone tell me why my RHD MGB has two door lock cylinders? > > take a look: > http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/mgcarma/1966%20MGB%20RHD/1966RHDMGB23.jp> g > > any ideas? > > alarm? > > seems to be factory > > K -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 2 11:12:07 2008 From: The Roxter To: David Breneman Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 12:12:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] No LBC, Les Paul David Breneman wrote: > I hope they don't pass on the myth that Las Paul invented > the multitrack tape deck. He bought the first one, but > Ampex engineers invented it (and I've met one of them). > Funny he feels compelled to repeat that story. It's not > like he didn't have any real accomplishments of his own! The story I have been hearing almost all my life was that he was involved in a serious auto accident and was in the hospital here in Tulsa when he invented multitrack in his head. I always heard he had the first one built by the guys at Ampex, but the idea was his. -The Roxter -- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 2 12:24:07 2008 From: Otis15@aol.com To: MGMagnette@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 14:24:21 EDT Subject: Re: [Mgs] Good grief--price of OD tranny I have one that was rebuilt by British Auto in New York. I have the slips, it cost me 1871.00. They rebuilt a friends overdrive and done a great job. I had it rebuilt for my 71 GT but it looks like a project I'm not going to get to. I'd sell it for 1500.00. It's never been installed since the rebuild. Located in N.E. Ohio. Steve Hubbard Ohio In a message dated 5/1/2008 11:23:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, MGMagnette@aol.com writes: I guess this is a good time to ask... Anyone in the Northeast selling an OD Tranny? I've got a '72 B which would just love one. -John **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) You are subscribed as otis15@aol.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 2 12:36:35 2008 From: "Jack Feldman" To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:36:55 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Cup Holders Thanks for all the replies. I didn't realize what a monster I had unleashed. Jack _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 2 13:05:32 2008 From: "Tom Gunderson" To: Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:05:53 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] MGA fuel pump My pump seems to be leaking. Should I replace it or can I rebuild it. Tom Gunderson _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 2 13:36:24 2008 From: "Stuart MacMillan" To: "'Max Heim'" , Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 12:36:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] cup holders---I'm re-joining the list! Thanks for the welcome, I need another diversion (and money pit). At least you are driving your MGB. Once you park them nothing good happens......... With our current "stressed" economy, it's a good time to find a painter/body & fender man who'll moonlight. Check the cards posted at any Wesco or other body shop supplier. You can also usually find paint booths to rent if you want to DIY it. I'm going to post some photos of all this soon. But I digress. You should be able to find someone you can work with in terms of what you do and what they do to keep the costs down. I did this with my son's '64. We did all the patch panel welding and put new wings on, and we got all the body prep and painting done really nicely for about $2000. But that was in 2003, when times were pretty good. Of course, the shell is in my garage awaiting finishing, and now he has a new baby! So much for the MG for now. Ironically, I started restoring my '65 in 1979 when he was 3, and it sat in the garage until 1986 when I finally got it back on the road. He was 10, and I kind of got him into the hobby at that point. Stuart -----Original Message----- From: Max Heim [mailto:max_heim@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:39 AM To: Stuart MacMillan Subject: Re: [Mgs] cup holders---I'm re-joining the list! on 5/2/08 10:51 AM, Stuart MacMillan at macgroup@comcast.net wrote: > Good grief Max, is it STILL primer red? Umm, yeah (he admits, sheepishly). I don't have any facilitiies for doing bodywork. I have found that if you try to strip a car in your driveway, it rusts faster than you can fix it . I have managed to acquire four new wings, the outer sills and a rear valance from a fellow lister So the parts are on hand, at least. Hey, it runs...and I actually drive it, in public, and not just on sunny weekends. I don't see too many other ones out there. Though I just saw an Iris Blue (hence, early) B in SF Wednesday. Oh, and Welcome Back. Max _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 2 13:40:45 2008 From: Paul Root To: "Tom Gunderson" Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 14:41:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA fuel pump When mine was leaking, it was just the cap on the end. I made a gasket out of cork and was back in 20 minutes. On May 2, 2008, at 2:05 PM, Tom Gunderson wrote: > My pump seems to be leaking. Should I replace it or can I rebuild it. > Tom Gunderson > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ptrmgb@gmail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 2 15:38:10 2008 From: "Don Scott" To: Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 14:38:15 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA fuel pump try tightening the screws that hold the cylindrical body to the base of the pump. If it continues to leak because the diaphragm is torn, I think it would be easier just to get another pump. I've rebuilt them, but you will spend quite a bit of time and energy doing the rebuild if you haven't done it before. Don Scott 1962 MGA 1973 MGB GT (beautiful car needing finishing touches, which happens to be for sale) 1991 Miata BRG >>> Paul Root 05/02/08 12:41 PM >>> When mine was leaking, it was just the cap on the end. I made a gasket out of cork and was back in 20 minutes. On May 2, 2008, at 2:05 PM, Tom Gunderson wrote: > My pump seems to be leaking. Should I replace it or can I rebuild it. > Tom Gunderson > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 2 16:03:18 2008 From: "Howard Battan" To: Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:03:37 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Late MGB oil filter adapter Hi, all. I am in need of an inverted oil filter adapter for my '79 MGB. It's Moss # 460-910, listed as NA in the online catalog. I can use a good used one or a new one. Anybody got one lying around getting dusty? Thanks Howard Battan '54 MGTF '57 MGA '79 MGB ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Scott To: mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA fuel pump try tightening the screws that hold the cylindrical body to the base of the pump. If it continues to leak because the diaphragm is torn, I think it would be easier just to get another pump. I've rebuilt them, but you will spend quite a bit of time and energy doing the rebuild if you haven't done it before. Don Scott 1962 MGA 1973 MGB GT (beautiful car needing finishing touches, which happens to be for sale) 1991 Miata BRG >>> Paul Root 05/02/08 12:41 PM >>> When mine was leaking, it was just the cap on the end. I made a gasket out of cork and was back in 20 minutes. On May 2, 2008, at 2:05 PM, Tom Gunderson wrote: > My pump seems to be leaking. Should I replace it or can I rebuild it. > Tom Gunderson > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as battanhr@comcast.net Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 2 23:04:55 2008 From: Marc To: MG Mailing List Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 01:04:51 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] steering rack gaiters Does anyone still have OEM quality MGB steering rack gaiters for sale? You know, the nice rubber ones, not the junky ones that were generally available... -- Marc _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat May 3 06:44:11 2008 From: Paul Root To: Marc Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 07:44:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] steering rack gaiters I changed my gaiters 5 years ago. And had no troubles. On May 3, 2008, at 12:04 AM, Marc wrote: > Does anyone still have OEM quality MGB steering rack gaiters for sale? > You know, the nice rubber ones, not the junky ones that were generally > available... > > -- > > Marc > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ptrmgb@gmail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat May 3 19:52:39 2008 From: Mark J Bradakis To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 19:54:20 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Team.Net Spring fund drive Gee, the beginning days of May, usually pleasant spring weather. Woke up to 34 degrees F with light snow falling the other morning here in Salt Lake City. Nice. Springtime indeed! Seasoned subscribers know the drill, here's an outline for others. The Team.Net mailing lists - http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo and http://www.team.net/cgi-bin/majorcool ( I'm slowly getting around to moving all the lists from majordomo to mailman ) FTP site, archives, wiki ( http://www.team.net/the-local ) are all run by some dweeb who spends too much time hiding out in a basement office whacking on computers instead of working on and driving his cars. Basically it is a labor of love that has been going on for roughly 20 years, 17 years since the Team.Net domain was registered on April 11, 1991. But there are some out of pocket expenses that are needed to keep things going. So once or twice a year I ask for funding assistance to help cover the costs of this "free" service. So if you have a few extra bucks on hand and want to stimulate the Team.Net economy, check out http://www.team.net/donate.html for details. Thanks, mjb. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun May 4 08:28:03 2008 From: rfeibusch1@earthlink.net To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 07:28:20 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: Re: [Mgs] New (to me, at least) online resource Dear Readers, Do The Monster Mash I just found out about a website that will be a real boon to car enthusiasts, while at my friend Brett, who is planing to put new Corvette running gear in his Merkur coupe, he asked me if I had seen: www.jaxed.com It was put together by a Corvair guy and it searches many of the online resources for cars and parts and gives you a list of what is availabe on all lists - Amazing!!! You also can narrow it down by state. Check it out! Get on the sight - and click on the big MASH bar up by the top ......... then your in - have fun Best, Rick Feibusch Venice Beach, Californis _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun May 4 15:34:34 2008 From: "W. David Houser" To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 17:34:33 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Calibrating the MGA tach Listers, A fellow MGA owner has posted this query. I haven't a clue but want to impress him with my vast knowledge. That's why I post to the list: "I want to know what the ratio is from the camshaft to the tach. Actually, how many revs of the flex shaft correspond to, say, 100 RPM. If I can establish this, I may be able to confirm, with a speed controlled motor, whether the tach is accurate. If it is, then I can make some marks on it, corresponding to major speed points." How's that for an obscure number? Any one able to answer this for him? Cheers, Dave Houser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun May 4 18:49:55 2008 From: Rick Lindsay To: MGS Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 17:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] Off topic: source needed for heater air hose Hey gang, As I slowly continue the restoration of my 308GTB, I find that I'm down to needing various odds-n-ends. Right now, I need a source for the 80mm (3-1/8") diameter air hose from the heater blowers up to the heat exchangers. I have one in place but the other one didn't survive the repainting process. I'd like to replace both sides. All advice appreciated. Rick Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun May 4 21:02:05 2008 From: Paul Root To: MG Mailing List Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 22:02:18 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] back on the road finally made time this weekend and got the heater installed and the dash put in. I found that once everything was buttoned up the dash, that I don't have the heater valve dial hooked up. Joy everything has to come back apart. Not today. In the mean time, I just have the valve all the way open. Took it for a bout a 30 minute drive this evening. Temperature stayed normal or less. So I'm satisfied that I've got enough coolant in it. I was concerned about getting the heater core filled back up, but it seems good. I put a new radio in, it's pretty nice. more power than the old one, and the unit is smaller and fits great. I can even get my hand in behind it. The nicest part is that the wires have a plug into the back, so you can get it out easily enough. It's a JVC KD-APD38 comes with an iPod cable. 50Wx4. I got it for $79. It's $99 right now from Newegg. I believe I'll be driving it into work tomorrow. About time we got some decent weather. Paul. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon May 5 01:26:03 2008 From: Barney Gaylord To: "W. David Houser" ,mgs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 00:43:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Calibrating the MGA tach At 05:34 PM 5/4/2008 -0400, W. David Houser wrote: >.... >"I want to know what the ratio is from the camshaft to the tach. >Actually, how many revs of the flex shaft correspond to, say, 100 RPM. >.... Crankshaft to camshaft is 1/2 reduction. Camshaft to tach drive is 5/6 reduction. Overall reduction is 1/2 x 5/6 = 5/12 (0.417/1). Tack drive runs 417 turns per 1000 crankshaft revolutions. Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon May 5 06:35:15 2008 From: Dan DiBiase To: Paul Root , MG Mailing List Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 05:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] back on the road Good deal, Paul. I was able to clear out an area in my garage so I can hopefully get back to my '76. Found most of my tools, too. I suspect you won't be needing the heater much, although around here, we're finally in that weird stage where the temp goes up 30 degrees during the day, so it's very cool in the am (40's) and very warm in the pm (70's). Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress... '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html ----- Original Message ---- From: Paul Root To: MG Mailing List Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2008 11:02:18 PM Subject: [Mgs] back on the road finally made time this weekend and got the heater installed and the dash put in. I found that once everything was buttoned up the dash, that I don't have the heater valve dial hooked up. Joy everything has to come back apart. Not today. In the mean time, I just have the valve all the way open. Took it for a bout a 30 minute drive this evening. Temperature stayed normal or less. So I'm satisfied that I've got enough coolant in it. I was concerned about getting the heater core filled back up, but it seems good. I put a new radio in, it's pretty nice. more power than the old one, and the unit is smaller and fits great. I can even get my hand in behind it. The nicest part is that the wires have a plug into the back, so you can get it out easily enough. It's a JVC KD-APD38 comes with an iPod cable. 50Wx4. I got it for $79. It's $99 right now from Newegg. I believe I'll be driving it into work tomorrow. About time we got some decent weather. Paul. You are subscribed as d_dibiase@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon May 5 07:18:09 2008 From: Paul Root To: Dan DiBiase Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 08:18:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] back on the road Drove it like a dream this morning. It's been too long since I've drive it. Top up this morning. It will go down this afternoon. Parked next to a new 5-series BMW. Got a smile and a short conversation with the driver. With the top up, I hear a lot more noise coming from the rear end. I've never dealt with that in 7 years. I guess I should look it over. No shortage of work to do. Paul. On May 5, 2008, at 7:35 AM, Dan DiBiase wrote: > Good deal, Paul. I was able to clear out an area in my garage so I > can hopefully get back to my '76. Found most of my tools, too. I > suspect you won't be needing the heater much, although around here, > we're finally in that weird stage where the temp goes up 30 degrees > during the day, so it's very cool in the am (40's) and very warm in > the pm (70's). > > Dan D > Central NJ USA > '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress... > '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... > NAMGBR #5-2328 > http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ > http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Paul Root > To: MG Mailing List > Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2008 11:02:18 PM > Subject: [Mgs] back on the road > > finally made time this weekend and got the heater installed and the > dash put in. > > I found that once everything was buttoned up the dash, that I don't > have the heater valve dial hooked up. > Joy everything has to come back apart. Not today. In the mean time, I > just have the valve all the way open. > > Took it for a bout a 30 minute drive this evening. Temperature stayed > normal or less. So I'm satisfied that > I've got enough coolant in it. I was concerned about getting the > heater core filled back up, but it seems good. > > I put a new radio in, it's pretty nice. more power than the old one, > and the unit is smaller and fits great. I can > even get my hand in behind it. The nicest part is that the wires have > a plug into the back, so you can get it out easily > enough. > > It's a JVC KD-APD38 comes with an iPod cable. 50Wx4. I got it for $79. > It's $99 right now from Newegg. > > I believe I'll be driving it into work tomorrow. About time we got > some decent weather. > > Paul. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as d_dibiase@yahoo.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon May 5 08:33:24 2008 From: Paul Root To: MG Mailing List Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:33:23 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] gas cap Saturday we were at a mall, and walking down the row of cars, I saw two cars with the gas cover open and the cap gone. And I think someone is siphoning gas. Being a '77, I don't have an option of a locking cap. The only ones I see are for pre-69 cars. I suppose I could get a pre-69 neck and the locking cap. But would that cap be vented? Any other options? Paul. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon May 5 08:48:30 2008 From: "Larry Daniels" To: "Paul Root" , "MG Mailing List" Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:48:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] gas cap Paul, I have a locking cap on my 79. The problem is that it came with the car, so I don't know where the PO got it. They must be out there somewhere. Larry Daniels ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Root" To: "MG Mailing List" Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:33 AM Subject: [Mgs] gas cap Saturday we were at a mall, and walking down the row of cars, I saw two cars with the gas cover open and the cap gone. And I think someone is siphoning gas. Being a '77, I don't have an option of a locking cap. The only ones I see are for pre-69 cars. I suppose I could get a pre-69 neck and the locking cap. But would that cap be vented? Any other options? Paul. You are subscribed as ladaniels@sbcglobal.net Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon May 5 08:56:36 2008 From: "Chad Cooper" To: "'Paul Root'" , "'MG Mailing List'" Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:56:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] gas cap I was able to use one of the standard locking caps that are or were on the shelf at the chain parts stores. I took a flat file and filed out two grooves in the inside of the filler neck to accommodate the ridges that were on the one I bought. I just made sure the diameter of the main body fit inside the neck snugly so the locking tabs could engage. I believe the cap was made by Standt, no marking on it anymore because I used lacquer thinner to get it off so it would be plain silver/chrome. Cheap solution -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+mgb72=airmail.net@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+mgb72=airmail.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Root Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:33 AM To: MG Mailing List Subject: [Mgs] gas cap Saturday we were at a mall, and walking down the row of cars, I saw two cars with the gas cover open and the cap gone. And I think someone is siphoning gas. Being a '77, I don't have an option of a locking cap. The only ones I see are for pre-69 cars. I suppose I could get a pre-69 neck and the locking cap. But would that cap be vented? Any other options? Paul. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon May 5 09:55:25 2008 From: "Chad Cooper" To: "'Chad Cooper'" , "'MG Mailing List'" Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 10:54:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] gas cap Sorry the company is Stant -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+mgb72=airmail.net@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+mgb72=airmail.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chad Cooper Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:57 AM To: 'Paul Root'; 'MG Mailing List' Subject: Re: [Mgs] gas cap I was able to use one of the standard locking caps that are or were on the shelf at the chain parts stores. I took a flat file and filed out two grooves in the inside of the filler neck to accommodate the ridges that were on the one I bought. I just made sure the diameter of the main body fit inside the neck snugly so the locking tabs could engage. I believe the cap was made by Standt, no marking on it anymore because I used lacquer thinner to get it off so it would be plain silver/chrome. Cheap solution _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon May 5 12:18:49 2008 From: "Stuart MacMillan" To: , Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:18:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Kumho tires It's a myth. ;-) Problem is the nipples rust in place, both onto the spoke and the rim. You can replace spokes & nipples if the wheels are decent, but that is also expensive. I bit the bullet and replaced mine with chrome wires after about 43 years! Actually, the rims and hubs are chrome, the spokes stainless steel. So maybe these can be tuned if needed in a few years. Stuart _____ From: MGTDB@aol.com [mailto:MGTDB@aol.com] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:06 AM To: macgroup@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Kumho tires Oh good to know...... I thought there was a way to tighten the spokes???? Seems like I heard that somewhere in another incarnation........... _____ Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon May 5 15:34:37 2008 From: RampantNM@aol.com To: ptrmgb@gmail.com, mgs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:34:29 EDT Subject: Re: [Mgs] gas cap They used to sell a spring that would fit in the neck and prevented a hose of any size from being inserted into the tank. With this new problem surfacing, I'd expect they will be back on the market shortly and available at your FLAPS. Regards, Robert B. Houston 74.5 MGBGT 73 MG Midget As he stared at her ample bosom, he daydreamed of the dual Skinners Union carburetors in his vintage MG, highly functional yet pleasingly formed, perched prominently on top of the intake manifold, aching for experienced hands, the small knurled caps of the oil dampeners begging to be inspected and adjusted as described in chapter seven of the Haynes shop manual. In a message dated 5/5/2008 8:34:26 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, ptrmgb@gmail.com writes: And I think someone is siphoning gas. Being a '77, I don't have an option of a locking cap. The only ones I see are for pre-69 cars. I suppose I could get a pre-69 neck and the locking cap. But would that cap be vented? Any other options? **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon May 5 16:09:46 2008 From: Max Heim To: MG List Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 14:55:08 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] gas cap Before you all go jumping on this idea, a PO installed on of those anti-siphon springs in my other car during the first gas crisis (it has one of those external flip-top gas caps, so, no way to lock it). The result of this is that with modern vapor-recovery pumps, you can only dribble in gas at the slowest possible setting, while holding the nozzle in place with main force. Even at that, it will click itself off three or four times during a fill-up, making every trip to the gas station a lengthy PITA. In the MGB, you can add to this the undignified and uncomfortable posture of bending over at the waist in order to reach the inlet. All in all, I really couldn't recommend this approach to the problem. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 5/5/08 2:34 PM, RampantNM@aol.com at RampantNM@aol.com wrote: > They used to sell a spring that would fit in the neck and prevented a hose > of any size from being inserted into the tank. With this new problem > surfacing, I'd expect they will be back on the market shortly and available at > your > FLAPS. > > Regards, > > Robert B. Houston > > 74.5 MGBGT > 73 MG Midget > > In a message dated 5/5/2008 8:34:26 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > ptrmgb@gmail.com writes: > > And I think someone is siphoning gas. > > Being a '77, I don't have an option of a locking cap. The only ones I > see are for pre-69 cars. > > I suppose I could get a pre-69 neck and the locking cap. But would > that cap be vented? > > Any other options? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon May 5 16:27:27 2008 From: cyberemp@comcast.net To: mgs@autox.team.net (MG LIST) Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 22:27:46 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] Cracked frame blues. My fellow listers. Project 75.5 has apparently been damaged in an accident. the "frame" ( I know, it's a "unitary body shell" according to my copy of Original mgb, pg. 8) ahem, where was I? Oh yes, the "frame like structure" shows a stress crack just behind the shock absorber on the drivers (USA version) side, and another on the corresponding side of the same structure, same side. I would say the car has struck the back of another vehicle, forcing the structure to bend upwards, "hinging" at a point midway between the mounting bolts of the cross frame for the front suspension. When it was pushed back into the correct alignment, the metal that had been bent and re formed into it's prior shape appears to have suffered a fatigue crack. My inquiry to you, my wise and illustrious compatriots, is to garner advice on the repair of such damage... One side shows a weld repair on the crack. I am planning to weld up the outside of the structure in the same way. I think I'll drop the sub frame and check the integrity of the metal in that part of the frame like structure as well. Then, Since I don't think a simple weld will be as strong, I am planning on cutting some sheet of metal and welding them to the sides of the frame (like structure), overlapping aproximately three inches on each side of the crack... The blues part of this note, (pun intended) comes from the law here in Ca. where I live, in that any frame damage must be disclosed to the buyer of the car. Since I bought the car as a "parts car" that didn't apply to the people I bought it from, though I did have them print on the receipt "car includes an over-drive" (which it did not) But I'm planning on selling the car as a running vehicle. So I'll have to disclose this information. Ideas on repair? Thanks in advance. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon May 5 16:28:05 2008 From: cyberemp@comcast.net To: mgs@autox.team.net (MG LIST) Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 22:28:25 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] Cracked frame blues. My fellow listers. Project 75.5 has apparently been damaged in an accident. the "frame" ( I know, it's a "unitary body shell" according to my copy of Original mgb, pg. 8) ahem, where was I? Oh yes, the "frame like structure" shows a stress crack just behind the shock absorber on the drivers (USA version) side, and another on the corresponding side of the same structure, same side. I would say the car has struck the back of another vehicle, forcing the structure to bend upwards, "hinging" at a point midway between the mounting bolts of the cross frame for the front suspension. When it was pushed back into the correct alignment, the metal that had been bent and re formed into it's prior shape appears to have suffered a fatigue crack. My inquiry to you, my wise and illustrious compatriots, is to garner advice on the repair of such damage... One side shows a weld repair on the crack. I am planning to weld up the outside of the structure in the same way. I think I'll drop the sub frame and check the integrity of the metal in that part of the frame like structure as well. Then, Since I don't think a simple weld will be as strong, I am planning on cutting some sheet of metal and welding them to the sides of the frame (like structure), overlapping aproximately three inches on each side of the crack... The blues part of this note, (pun intended) comes from the law here in Ca. where I live, in that any frame damage must be disclosed to the buyer of the car. Since I bought the car as a "parts car" that didn't apply to the people I bought it from, though I did have them print on the receipt "car includes an over-drive" (which it did not) But I'm planning on selling the car as a running vehicle. So I'll have to disclose this information. Ideas on repair? Thanks in advance. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon May 5 18:25:57 2008 From: David Breneman To: The Roxter Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] No LBC, Les Paul --- The Roxter wrote: > The story I have been hearing almost all my life was that he was > involved in a serious auto accident and was in the hospital here in > Tulsa when he invented multitrack in his head. I always heard he > had the first one built by the guys at Ampex, but the idea was his. Well Les Paul may have thought that a multitrack deck would be a cool thing, but it was Ross Snyder and Mort Fuji at Ampex that actually invented it. I suppose Les was the "mother of invention" having the need. But unlike other customized tape decks he *did* engineer and make on his own, all he was in this case was a customer. Sel-Sync is more than just multiple heads on a wider tape. There was a lot of novel engineering involved. David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon May 5 20:05:30 2008 From: The Roxter To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 21:05:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] No LBC, Les Paul David Breneman wrote: > --- The Roxter wrote: > > >> The story I have been hearing almost all my life was that he was >> involved in a serious auto accident and was in the hospital here in >> Tulsa when he invented multitrack in his head. I always heard he >> had the first one built by the guys at Ampex, but the idea was his. >> > > Well Les Paul may have thought that a multitrack deck would be > a cool thing, but it was Ross Snyder and Mort Fuji at Ampex > that actually invented it. I suppose Les was the "mother of > invention" having the need. But unlike other customized tape > decks he *did* engineer and make on his own, all he was in this > case was a customer. Sel-Sync is more than just multiple > heads on a wider tape. There was a lot of novel engineering > involved. > I'm certainly no expert on this, although I did work for Midwestern Instruments while they were producing the 728, the first really popular two-track. I didn't work on the 728, but was working on a secret project that required a top-level security clearance. > -The Roxter > -- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon May 5 21:54:34 2008 From: "Stuart MacMillan" To: , "'MG LIST'" Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:54:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cracked frame blues. I'd like to see photos of what you are talking about, I can't tell for sure from your description what is cracked. Send me one if you can. FWIW, my son's project '64 had a complete (3') front end clip welded on, much to our surprise! Whoever did it was very good, I assume it was professionally done, because it's perfect. If the box beams are cracked, and I think that is what you are describing, a good weld will be stronger than the metal. You can add gussets for more strength if you want. Being better than new, disclosure of this shouldn't cost you anything. It's a good thing that you caught this, it may be that it's only the cross member bolts that are keeping the front end from falling off! ;-0 Looking forward to seeing your photos, Stuart MacMillan '65 Roadster, BRG -----Original Message----- Subject: [Mgs] Cracked frame blues. My fellow listers. Project 75.5 has apparently been damaged in an accident. the "frame" ( I know, it's a "unitary body shell" according to my copy of Original mgb, pg. 8) ahem, where was I? Oh yes, the "frame like structure" shows a stress crack just behind the shock absorber on the drivers (USA version) side, and another on the corresponding side of the same structure, same side. I would say the car has struck the back of another vehicle, forcing the structure to bend upwards, "hinging" at a point midway between the mounting bolts of the cross frame for the front suspension. When it was pushed back into the correct alignment, the metal that had been bent and re formed into it's prior shape appears to have suffered a fatigue crack. My inquiry to you, my wise and illustrious compatriots, is to garner advice on the repair of such damage... One side shows a weld repair on the crack. I am planning to weld up the outside of the structure in the same way. I think I'll drop the sub frame and check the integrity of the metal in that part of the frame like structure as well. Then, Since I don't think a simple weld will be as strong, I am planning on cutting some sheet of metal and welding them to the sides of the frame (like structure), overlapping aproximately three inches on each side of the crack... The blues part of this note, (pun intended) comes from the law here in Ca. where I live, in that any frame damage must be disclosed to the buyer of the car. Since I bought the car as a "parts car" that didn't apply to the people I bought it from, though I did have them print on the receipt "car includes an over-drive" (which it did not) But I'm planning on selling the car as a running vehicle. So I'll have to disclose this information. Ideas on repair? Thanks in advance. Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 6 08:25:51 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "W. David Houser" , Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 15:23:05 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Calibrating the MGA tach Why don't you just hook an electronic tach (as opposed to a rev counter) to the ignition? PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > If I can establish this, I may be able to confirm, with a speed > controlled motor, whether the tach is accurate. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 6 09:11:55 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Stuart MacMillan" , , Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 16:03:44 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Kumho tires I've had no problem undoing broken spokes, without any heat or releasing fluid - these are chrome, painted may be worse. I've actually had one wheel replaced with stainless to see if that solves the breakage issue. However that will be a long-term test as the chrome ones didn't start breaking until after four of five years and then just the occasional one. Since then the breakage rate has gone up and I have found two or three on one wheel after a five-hundred mile or so run. Although funnily enough I've just got back from one of those had one broken before I started and still only that one broken on my return. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > It's a myth. ;-) Problem is the nipples rust in place, both onto the > spoke > and the rim. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 6 09:54:31 2008 From: "Oliver" To: Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 10:50:02 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] where do these belong? these were in my spare parts bin. does anyone know what vehicle they go on? http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 6 09:59:19 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Oliver" , Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 16:58:36 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] where do these belong? They aren't off an MGB AFAIK. Could be handbrake actuators, for disc brakes (unless the rubber band is in a slot for shoes)? PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > these were in my spare parts bin. does anyone know what vehicle they go > on? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 6 10:22:10 2008 From: Ron Engelhardt To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 09:22:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] where do these belong? They look like rear brake cylinders for an MGA. Ron 58 MGA Oliver wrote: > these were in my spare parts bin. does anyone know what vehicle they go on? > > http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 6 10:53:56 2008 From: "Stuart MacMillan" To: "'Oliver'" , Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:53:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] where do these belong? Yes, MGA rear brake cylinders. Pricey too: http://mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=52463 -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+macgroup=comcast.net@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+macgroup=comcast.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Oliver Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:50 AM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] where do these belong? these were in my spare parts bin. does anyone know what vehicle they go on? http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 6 11:02:59 2008 From: "Ed Woods" To: "Oliver" , Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 13:03:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] where do these belong? Also MGTD and MGTF. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 6 13:39:45 2008 From: cyberemp@comcast.net To: mgs@autox.team.net (MG LIST) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 19:39:52 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] Gas anti siphon spring headache. You can overcome the constant stopping while pumping gas with the anti-vapor necks by (and this is only hypothetical! I would Never advise against over riding the mandated equipment)!! Pulling back the flexible plastic neck "vapor guard" so that it's an inch or two away from "sealing" on the neck. this will allow you gush the fuel in much faster, BUT. (Hypothetically, of course) When the tank is full, it will NOT automatically shut off. So don't leave it unobserved while your chatting with the pretty girl filling up at pump # 4., and pay close attention when you know it's nearing it's capacity. From: Max Heim Subject: Re: [Mgs] gas cap To: MG List Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Before you all go jumping on this idea, a PO installed on of those anti-siphon springs in my other car during the first gas crisis (it has one of those external flip-top gas caps, so, no way to lock it). The result of this is that with modern vapor-recovery pumps, you can only dribble in gas at the slowest possible setting, while holding the nozzle in place with main force. Even at that, it will click itself off three or four times during a fill-up, making every trip to the gas station a lengthy PITA. In the MGB, you can add to this the undignified and uncomfortable posture of bending over at the waist in order to reach the inlet. All in all, I really couldn't recommend this approach to the problem. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 6 14:37:35 2008 From: rfeibusch1@earthlink.net To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:37:55 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Mgs] TD Gearbox for sale - San Francisco Listers, My old friend George Kelson in San Francisco called the other day to say that he has a good TD gearbox that he wants to sell for $450 ........ U pick up, please ............ Call him 415-661-3138 Best, Rick ______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 6 15:06:29 2008 From: Bob Howard To: sumton@sbcglobal.net Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 17:00:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] where do these belong? These look like TD rear wheel cylinders. MGAs may use same or similar. Bob On Tue, 6 May 2008 10:50:02 -0500 "Oliver" writes: > these were in my spare parts bin. does anyone know what vehicle they > go on? > > http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 6 15:12:13 2008 From: "Dodd, Kelvin" To: Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 14:13:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] where do these belong? Check the bore size. If they are .875" then they are MGA, MG TD-TF, TR2 cylinders. I don't recognise the casting identification marks. They are not the same as the current Delphi-Lockheed, or Classic Gold versions that Moss carries, so are some other brand. Kelvin. > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bob Howard > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:00 PM > To: sumton@sbcglobal.net > Cc: mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] where do these belong? > > These look like TD rear wheel cylinders. MGAs may use same > or similar. > Bob > > > > On Tue, 6 May 2008 10:50:02 -0500 "Oliver" > writes: > > these were in my spare parts bin. does anyone know what > vehicle they > > go on? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 6 15:53:50 2008 From: "Norm 2Bs" To: "MG Digest" Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 17:54:03 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] FW: where do these belong? Also, early Turner I believe. They sure look familiar. Norm Sippel '59 Turner _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 6 16:07:02 2008 From: "Dodd, Kelvin" To: , "MG Digest" Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 15:08:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] FW: where do these belong? Norm: The Turner does not qualify as a real motor car. It's just a collection of bits and pieces off other real cars, held together with bits of tube and fiberglass. : ) Kelvin. > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Norm 2Bs > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:54 PM > To: MG Digest > Subject: [Mgs] FW: where do these belong? > > Also, early Turner I believe. They sure look familiar. > > Norm Sippel > '59 Turner _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 6 16:12:29 2008 From: "Norm 2Bs" To: "'Dodd, Kelvin'" , "MG Digest" Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:12:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] FW: where do these belong? Kelvin: Ain't that the truth! Kinda like a GoKart but antique. Can you believe I commuted in that RHD, BRG Turner a few times when I lived in Connecticut? And, on I-95 too. Only when I was waiting for parts delivery for my MGB from Moss. Opps! Big (: ) How goes your project? Norm -----Original Message----- From: Dodd, Kelvin [mailto:doddk@mossmotors.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:09 PM To: twobees@sprynet.com; MG Digest Subject: RE: [Mgs] FW: where do these belong? Norm: The Turner does not qualify as a real motor car. It's just a collection of bits and pieces off other real cars, held together with bits of tube and fiberglass. : ) Kelvin. > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Norm 2Bs > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:54 PM > To: MG Digest > Subject: [Mgs] FW: where do these belong? > > Also, early Turner I believe. They sure look familiar. > > Norm Sippel > '59 Turner _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 6 16:16:51 2008 From: WSpohn4@aol.com To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:16:58 EDT Subject: Re: [Mgs] FW: where do these belong? Hard to label a Turner a 'bitsa' car without tarring others with the same brush - my TVR among them. And my old Swallow Doretti, and maybe even my Jensens, all of which use major assemblies from other manufacturers. After all, an MG is really nothing but a mutant Morris, originally....:-) Bill In a message dated 5/6/2008 3:13:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, twobees@sprynet.com writes: Can you believe I commuted in that RHD, BRG Turner a few times when I lived in Connecticut? And, on I-95 too. Only when I was waiting for parts delivery for my MGB from Moss. Opps! Big (: ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 6 16:19:22 2008 From: "Dodd, Kelvin" To: , "MG Digest" Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 15:21:06 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] FW: where do these belong? Look, see. We have MG content. Projects! My 1970 supercharged MGB is still plugging along merrily. I have to keep stuffing a bit of wood between the fender and body to stop it rattling, cause the lower lip is rusted through, but what the heck. I've got one of those nifty Retrosound radios that I'm going to install soon, so I don't have to hear the rattles. The other daily commuter is a TR8 with very soggy suspension. It will still run rings around the B on the canyons though. It's got a good stereo, so I don't have to worry about rattles, but then it isn't rusty. The MGAs and the MGC GT projects are all in hibernation till I get finished renovating a 1970 31' Airstream to use during construction of the house. Finally moving forward on that, we have to get the two current houses demolished by September, then we get to live in the workshop for a while. Lots of fun. Kelvin. > -----Original Message----- > From: Norm 2Bs [mailto:twobees@sprynet.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:13 PM > To: Dodd, Kelvin; MG Digest > Subject: RE: [Mgs] FW: where do these belong? > > Kelvin: > > Ain't that the truth! Kinda like a GoKart but antique. > > Can you believe I commuted in that RHD, BRG Turner a few > times when I lived in Connecticut? And, on I-95 too. Only > when I was waiting for parts delivery for my MGB from Moss. > Opps! Big (: ) > > How goes your project? > > Norm _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 6 18:26:23 2008 From: "Valda and Merl Rosenthal" To: "MG List" Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 17:39:12 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Need Cylinder Head for 1980 MGB I may need a good cylinder head for my 1980 MGB if mine is cracked. Does anyone have a good one for sale? Purchased one off e-bay that was advertised as good but was not. Little gun shy to buy another from e-bay. Thanks Merl Rosenthal 1980 MGB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 6 18:41:47 2008 From: Glenn Schnittke To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 19:40:52 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Hand cranking Discussion came up at home tonight twixt the wife and myself about hand-cranking engines and when the practice died out. The question before the board is "What was the last automobile manufactured with the capability to hand crank the engine?" Not the necessity, but the capability. Glenn It's all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. And then we'll have an eye to play with. -Durwood Glenn Schnittke g.schnittke@comcast.net glenn.schnittke@vanderbilt.edu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 6 19:47:32 2008 From: "Stephen West-fisher" To: "'Glenn Schnittke'" , Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 21:47:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hand cranking Land-Rovers had a hand crank for 4 and 6 cylinder engines up to at least mid '80s. -- Stephen West-Fisher Coastal Data Systems 727.599.4271 http://www.coastaldatasystems.com/ -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+steve=coastaldatasystems.com@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+steve=coastaldatasystems.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Schnittke Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:41 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Hand cranking The question before the board is "What was the last automobile manufactured with the capability to hand crank the engine?" Not the necessity, but the capability. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 6 20:04:24 2008 From: "Larry Daniels" To: "Stephen West-fisher" , "'Glenn Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 21:04:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hand cranking As Stephen pointed out, the capability went well into the 80's, but I need to tell you that my 67 Austin A60 Ute starts with 1/2 of a revolution with the hand crank without fail. I'll put that up against any of my other cars. Larry Daniels 79 MGB LE 60 Bugeye 67 Austin A60 Pickup (Ute) "You only need two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape. If it doesn't move and should, use the WD-40. If it shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen West-fisher" To: "'Glenn Schnittke'" ; Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hand cranking Land-Rovers had a hand crank for 4 and 6 cylinder engines up to at least mid '80s. -- Stephen West-Fisher Coastal Data Systems 727.599.4271 http://www.coastaldatasystems.com/ -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+steve=coastaldatasystems.com@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+steve=coastaldatasystems.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Schnittke Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:41 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Hand cranking The question before the board is "What was the last automobile manufactured with the capability to hand crank the engine?" Not the necessity, but the capability. _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 6 20:17:55 2008 From: Ron Engelhardt To: mgs Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 19:18:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hand cranking My fellow club members seem to get a kick out of asking me to start my car with the crank, not too hard to do. I usually use it to adjust the valves and timing. I don't know the last year cars had a crank but the MGA's had one through 62. Ron 58 MGA Glenn Schnittke wrote: > Discussion came up at home tonight twixt the wife and myself about > hand-cranking engines and when the practice died out. > > The question before the board is "What was the last automobile manufactured > with the capability to hand crank the engine?" Not the necessity, but the > capability. > > Glenn _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 6 20:21:20 2008 From: "Ed's Shop" To: Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 21:21:44 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hand cranking <> The last of the Big Healeys (BJ-8s - 1968) had the "capability" but NO practical way to do so, Glenn. Ed Please visit my site at: www.justbrits.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 6 20:54:38 2008 From: "Stuart MacMillan" To: "'Glenn Schnittke'" , Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 19:54:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hand cranking Good grief, this list must be full of really old people, just like me! You can only hand crank a low compression engine, unless there is a system to lower compression, like there is on old fashioned two cycle outboard engines. But I digress. I was surprised to see hand crank grooves in the harmonic balancer bolt on my son's '64 MGB (3 main engine). Basically, just two slots formed on opposite bolt flats designed to release the U-shaped crank when the engine spun. It's useless. I assume they probably just used up some "old stock" bolts. But, I checked my '65, (which has a '68 engine in it) and you could actually get a hand crank on the pulley if the front valence wasn't there, but it would be tight. So, I'd say some engines had this capability long after it was useful! Stuart -----Original Message----- Subject: [Mgs] Hand cranking Discussion came up at home tonight twixt the wife and myself about hand-cranking engines and when the practice died out. The question before the board is "What was the last automobile manufactured with the capability to hand crank the engine?" Not the necessity, but the capability. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed May 7 01:18:08 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: , "MG LIST" Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:09:53 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Gas anti siphon spring headache. Are you sure about that? If so they are very different to the ones used in the UK. We don't have the plastic seal to recover the vapours as fuel is pumped in, but we still have an auto shut-off (and they still shut-off when they shouldn't). There is a very small pipe inside the main pipe and when that gets splashed with fuel it trips the shut-off mechanism inside the handle. http://howthingswork.virginia.edu/page1.php?QNum=1187 PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > ... Pulling back the flexible plastic neck "vapor guard" so that it's an > inch or two away from "sealing" on the neck. this will allow you gush the > fuel in much faster, BUT. (Hypothetically, of course) When the tank is > full, it will NOT automatically shut off. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed May 7 01:27:58 2008 From: cyberemp@comcast.net To: mgs@autox.team.net (MG LIST),"Paul Hunt" Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 07:28:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Gas anti siphon spring headache. Well, It works for my cars, here in San Francisco bay area. YMMV --/eric -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Paul Hunt" > Are you sure about that? If so they are very different to the ones used in > the UK. We don't have the plastic seal to recover the vapours as fuel is > pumped in, but we still have an auto shut-off (and they still shut-off when > they shouldn't). There is a very small pipe inside the main pipe and when > that gets splashed with fuel it trips the shut-off mechanism inside the > handle. > > http://howthingswork.virginia.edu/page1.php?QNum=1187 > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > ... Pulling back the flexible plastic neck "vapor guard" so t _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed May 7 01:33:05 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: , "Glenn Schnittke" Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:23:53 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hand cranking Rolls-Royce used to provide a hand-crank long after starter motors were provided. By definition it would only be used if the electric starter failed for some reason, and as Rolls-Royce cars never go wrong, it was provided for the same reason men have nipples - "Just in case". PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > The question before the board is "What was the last automobile > manufactured > with the capability to hand crank the engine?" _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed May 7 01:33:16 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: , , "V8 list" Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:33:04 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Tweel A see-through, non-inflated 'tyre' - http://us.tnpv.net/2005/MCH200510/Tweel_Public_13.jpg _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed May 7 02:10:59 2008 From: "Richard Gosling" To: "Paul Hunt" Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 09:11:16 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Tweel Paul, You got a better link than that one? All I get is a very small picture of a random car (could be an Audi A4? but it's too small to tell for sure) driving round some cones on a wet track. Richard On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Paul Hunt wrote: > A see-through, non-inflated 'tyre' - > http://us.tnpv.net/2005/MCH200510/Tweel_Public_13.jpg > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as rbgosling@googlemail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed May 7 06:17:43 2008 From: Eric Erickson To: MG list Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 21:46:25 +0930 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hand cranking On 07/05/2008, at 4:53 PM, Paul Hunt wrote: > Rolls-Royce used to provide a hand-crank long after starter motors > were > provided. By definition it would only be used if the electric starter > failed for some reason, and as Rolls-Royce cars never go wrong, it was > provided for the same reason men have nipples - "Just in case". > Or... just for fun? Eric '68 MGB MkII Adelaide, South Australia _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed May 7 07:32:48 2008 From: "Norm 2Bs" To: "MG Digest" , "Spridgets Digest" Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 09:33:03 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Unidentified Top Bows I have a set of top bows that I have no idea as to what car they fit. Perhaps one of you can help. They are 2-piece like the early MGB top, & have 3 bows, 2 of which end as round rods (2" long x 0.330" dia.) that fit into sockets on the car body. Dimensions: width = 38" height when resting on floor = 16" c-to-c spread front to back = 18" spread between "feet" = 4" There are straps attached joining the upper bows to fix their position when in place. There isn't much difference in height of the bows, front, center or rear so it would be a pretty flat top when up. I have photos available for further identification if anyone has at least a clue. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Norm Sippel _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed May 7 07:45:18 2008 From: John Cahoon To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 06:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] Another cleveland passing All I just got word that long-time MG specialist David McCaskie has died of a heart attack. He was the owner of Dave Mack Auto in Euclid Ohio. More info to follow as it is available. John Cahoon ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed May 7 08:54:40 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Eric Erickson" , "MG list" Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 15:41:32 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hand cranking Hmmm, can't say I have ever got much fun from my nipples, maybe Aussies know something I don't ... ----- Original Message ----- >> Rolls-Royce used to provide a hand-crank long after starter motors >> were >> provided. By definition it would only be used if the electric starter >> failed for some reason, and as Rolls-Royce cars never go wrong, it was >> provided for the same reason men have nipples - "Just in case". >> > > Or... just for fun? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed May 7 09:48:08 2008 From: Rick Lindsay To: MGS Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hand cranking Hand cranking can make you blind. :-P --- Paul Hunt wrote: > Hmmm, can't say I have ever got much fun from my > nipples, maybe Aussies know > something I don't ... > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> Rolls-Royce used to provide a hand-crank long > after starter motors > >> were > >> provided. By definition it would only be used if > the electric starter > >> failed for some reason, and as Rolls-Royce cars > never go wrong, it was > >> provided for the same reason men have nipples - > "Just in case". > >> > > > > Or... just for fun? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as rolindsay@yahoo.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed May 7 09:50:46 2008 From: "Simon Matthews" To: "Stephen West-fisher" Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:51:05 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hand cranking While clearly beaten by Land Rover in this regard, I would like to point out that Citroen built cars in the '70s that had hand cranks. The GS models had one. Googling the GS, it appears that they were built until mid-80s, so it is possible that Citroen was building cars with hand cranks until then. Regards, Simon _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed May 7 10:08:09 2008 From: "W. David Houser" To: Glenn Schnittke Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 12:08:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hand cranking MGA? 1962 On May 6, 2008, at 8:40 PM, Glenn Schnittke wrote: > Discussion came up at home tonight twixt the wife and myself about > hand-cranking engines and when the practice died out. > > The question before the board is "What was the last automobile > manufactured > with the capability to hand crank the engine?" Not the necessity, > but the > capability. > > Glenn _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed May 7 10:54:16 2008 From: The Roxter To: "healey list" , "Rich C" Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 11:54:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hand cranking Glenn Schnittke wrote: > Discussion came up at home tonight twixt the wife and myself about > hand-cranking engines and when the practice died out. > > The question before the board is "What was the last automobile manufactured > with the capability to hand crank the engine?" Not the necessity, but the > capability. > > Glenn I'm going to guess. My Morris Minor could be hand-cranked. It was a late 50's model. MY 1958 MGA also had a crank. -The Roxter -- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed May 7 12:11:16 2008 From: The Roxter To: fot@autox.team.net, "TR List" Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 13:10:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hand cranking Rick Lindsay wrote: > Hand cranking can make you blind. :-P "Son, that'll make you go blind!" "Dad, I'm over here." -The Roxter -- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed May 7 13:37:47 2008 From: Bert Palte To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 21:37:03 +0200 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hand cranking At 02:40 7-5-2008, you wrote: >The question before the board is "What was the last automobile manufactured >with the capability to hand crank the engine?" Not the necessity, but the >capability. My first car had this capability, a Renault 4 from 1963. I was 18 at the time (in 1971). Of course, I tried if it worked. It did, but it was a PITA. I found that it was easier to push the 600 kg car by hand, jump into it, shift it into 2nd gear (out of three!!!) and release the clutch to get it started when the battery was flat. Bert _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 07:37:01 2008 From: "Bob Donahue" To: "mgs" Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 09:37:07 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. I'm going to take some trips this summer. Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) Email - bobmgtd@insightbb.com Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 Member: NEMGTR #11470 NAMGBR # 7-3336 Hoosier MGB Club Olde Octagons of Indiana _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 08:45:35 2008 From: "Eric Markley" To: "mgs" , "Bob Donahue" Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:45:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools Greetings to All, Spare parts: Points, condenser, cap, & rotor Spark plugs and wire set Points for fuel pump Fan belt Fuel filter Exterior bulbs Tire repair kit Fuses Extra oil for engine & transmission 12 or 14 gage wire for repairs Quality duct tape for hose repair Gallon of coolant mix Tools: 3/8 drive socket set combination wrenches, 1/4 to 7/8 screwdrivers, flat, phillips, pozidriv feeler gages VOM tools & supplies for electrical repairs sheet of gasket material Misc: AAA card $300 to $500 cash credit card with high limit and no balance a liter of Johnnie Walker Black Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum revolver with 50 rounds Federal 125 gr. JHP Please add any important items that I have forgotten. Eric -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+ericemarkley=bellsouth.net@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+ericemarkley=bellsouth.net@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Bob Donahue Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:37 AM To: mgs Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. I'm going to take some trips this summer. Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) Email - bobmgtd@insightbb.com Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 Member: NEMGTR #11470 NAMGBR # 7-3336 Hoosier MGB Club Olde Octagons of Indiana You are subscribed as ericemarkley@bellsouth.net Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.10/1421 - Release Date: 5/7/2008 5:23 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 08:49:42 2008 From: WSpohn4@aol.com To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:49:42 EDT Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools And if you have an oddball like my 3 main MGB powered MGA, take a water pump as you'll have a hard time finding one on the road. Just putting one in the boot means you'll never need it. Bill In a message dated 08/05/2008 7:45:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ericemarkley@bellsouth.net writes: Spare parts: Points, condenser, cap, & rotor Spark plugs and wire set Points for fuel pump Fan belt Fuel filter Exterior bulbs Tire repair kit Fuses Extra oil for engine & transmission 12 or 14 gage wire for repairs Quality duct tape for hose repair Gallon of coolant mix _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 08:55:43 2008 From: "Frank" To: "Bob Donahue" Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:55:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools In addition to the usual, I guess I am paranoid and also include a spare dizzy, starter, carb rebuild kit, slave cylinder kit, brake/clutch fluid, points, condenser, plugs, plug wires, WD40, etc. Needless to say there is hardly room left for luggage! Frank "Swamp Yankee" Krajewski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Donahue" To: "mgs" Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:37 AM Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools > Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. I'm going > to > take some trips this summer. > > Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) > Email - bobmgtd@insightbb.com > Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 > 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 > Member: NEMGTR #11470 > NAMGBR # 7-3336 > Hoosier MGB Club > Olde Octagons of Indiana _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 09:05:19 2008 From: Paul Root To: WSpohn4@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:05:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools I was going to add an alternator, since that's what went out on me last year. Also, a supply of disposable gloves to keep you a little cleaner on the roadside repair. Simple Green, goop. Shop towels. On May 8, 2008, at 9:49 AM, WSpohn4@aol.com wrote: > And if you have an oddball like my 3 main MGB powered MGA, take a > water pump > as you'll have a hard time finding one on the road. Just putting > one in the > boot means you'll never need it. > > Bill > > In a message dated 08/05/2008 7:45:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > ericemarkley@bellsouth.net writes: > > Spare parts: > Points, condenser, cap, & rotor > Spark plugs and wire set > Points for fuel pump > Fan belt > Fuel filter > Exterior bulbs > Tire repair kit > Fuses > Extra oil for engine & transmission > 12 or 14 gage wire for repairs > Quality duct tape for hose repair > Gallon of coolant mix > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ptrmgb@gmail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 09:08:11 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: , "mgs" , "Bob Donahue" Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 15:59:13 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools Everything. But you will still find you will need the thing you have forgotten. ----- Original Message ----- > Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. I'm going > to > take some trips this summer. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 09:08:52 2008 From: "Frank" To: "MG List" , "Paul Root" Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 11:08:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools Forgot to include fuel pump in my last post. I know there is more but it's all I can recall right now without going out and looking in my boot(trunk). By the way, I carry different items in my 1980 LE than I do in my 1964 3 main. Frank "Swamp Yankee" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Root" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools >I was going to add an alternator, since that's what went out on me > last year. > > Also, a supply of disposable gloves to keep you a little cleaner on > the roadside > repair. Simple Green, goop. Shop towels. > > On May 8, 2008, at 9:49 AM, WSpohn4@aol.com wrote: > >> And if you have an oddball like my 3 main MGB powered MGA, take a >> water pump >> as you'll have a hard time finding one on the road. Just putting >> one in the >> boot means you'll never need it. >> >> Bill >> >> In a message dated 08/05/2008 7:45:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> ericemarkley@bellsouth.net writes: >> >> Spare parts: >> Points, condenser, cap, & rotor >> Spark plugs and wire set >> Points for fuel pump >> Fan belt >> Fuel filter >> Exterior bulbs >> Tire repair kit >> Fuses >> Extra oil for engine & transmission >> 12 or 14 gage wire for repairs >> Quality duct tape for hose repair >> Gallon of coolant mix >> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 09:27:00 2008 From: rolindsay@yahoo.com To: "Paul Root" Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 15:07:07 +0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools Guys, this what SmartCars are meant for! Just put one in the boot. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Paul Root Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:05:38 To:WSpohn4@aol.com Cc:mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools I was going to add an alternator, since that's what went out on me last year. Also, a supply of disposable gloves to keep you a little cleaner on the roadside repair. Simple Green, goop. Shop towels. On May 8, 2008, at 9:49 AM, WSpohn4@aol.com wrote: > And if you have an oddball like my 3 main MGB powered MGA, take a > water pump > as you'll have a hard time finding one on the road. Just putting > one in the > boot means you'll never need it. > > Bill > > In a message dated 08/05/2008 7:45:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > ericemarkley@bellsouth.net writes: > > Spare parts: > Points, condenser, cap, & rotor > Spark plugs and wire set > Points for fuel pump > Fan belt > Fuel filter > Exterior bulbs > Tire repair kit > Fuses > Extra oil for engine & transmission > 12 or 14 gage wire for repairs > Quality duct tape for hose repair > Gallon of coolant mix > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ptrmgb@gmail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as rolindsay@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 09:39:56 2008 From: "Eric Markley" To: , "Paul Root" , Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 11:40:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools Or you could make one of those trailers made from 2 MGB rear clips to hold all of the spare parts and tools that you are taking. -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+ericemarkley=bellsouth.net@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+ericemarkley=bellsouth.net@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of rolindsay@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:07 AM To: Paul Root; mgs-bounces+rolindsay=yahoo.com@autox.team.net; WSpohn4@aol.com Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools Guys, this what SmartCars are meant for! Just put one in the boot. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Paul Root Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:05:38 To:WSpohn4@aol.com Cc:mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools I was going to add an alternator, since that's what went out on me last year. Also, a supply of disposable gloves to keep you a little cleaner on the roadside repair. Simple Green, goop. Shop towels. On May 8, 2008, at 9:49 AM, WSpohn4@aol.com wrote: > And if you have an oddball like my 3 main MGB powered MGA, take a > water pump > as you'll have a hard time finding one on the road. Just putting > one in the > boot means you'll never need it. > > Bill > > In a message dated 08/05/2008 7:45:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > ericemarkley@bellsouth.net writes: > > Spare parts: > Points, condenser, cap, & rotor > Spark plugs and wire set > Points for fuel pump > Fan belt > Fuel filter > Exterior bulbs > Tire repair kit > Fuses > Extra oil for engine & transmission > 12 or 14 gage wire for repairs > Quality duct tape for hose repair > Gallon of coolant mix > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ptrmgb@gmail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as rolindsay@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as ericemarkley@bellsouth.net Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.10/1421 - Release Date: 5/7/2008 5:23 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 09:43:39 2008 From: "Rick Brown" To: "mgs" Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 11:44:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools Check the back of your NAMGBR service Recommendations and Mutual Aid Directory for a list. Rick Webmaster for: ___________________________________________________________ http://www.mgcars.org.uk/namgbr - The North American MGB Register http://www.mgcars.org.uk/mgcouncil - North American Council of MG Registers http://www.britishcarclub.net - The Suncoast Classic MG Club and Nature Coast English Car Club ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Donahue" To: "mgs" Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 09:37 Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools > Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. I'm going > to > take some trips this summer. > > Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) > Email - bobmgtd@insightbb.com > Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 > 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 > Member: NEMGTR #11470 > NAMGBR # 7-3336 > Hoosier MGB Club > Olde Octagons of Indiana _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 10:10:45 2008 From: Max Heim To: MG List Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 09:07:58 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools Tire repair kit? I'ver tried to dismount an MGB's tire using hand tools, and I decided it couldn't be done. I would suggest "Known good spare, freshly filled, and a can of Fix-A-Flat" instead. Also add "a foot or two of fuel line", "assortment of hose clamps", and "baling wire". Add chewing gum to taste... -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 5/8/08 7:45 AM, Eric Markley at ericemarkley@bellsouth.net wrote: > Greetings to All, > > Spare parts: > Points, condenser, cap, & rotor > Spark plugs and wire set > Points for fuel pump > Fan belt > Fuel filter > Exterior bulbs > Tire repair kit > Fuses > Extra oil for engine & transmission > 12 or 14 gage wire for repairs > Quality duct tape for hose repair > Gallon of coolant mix > > Tools: > 3/8 drive socket set > combination wrenches, 1/4 to 7/8 > screwdrivers, flat, phillips, pozidriv > feeler gages > VOM > tools & supplies for electrical repairs > sheet of gasket material > > Misc: > AAA card > $300 to $500 cash > credit card with high limit and no balance > a liter of Johnnie Walker Black > Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum revolver with 50 rounds Federal 125 gr. JHP > > Please add any important items that I have forgotten. > > Eric > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces+ericemarkley=bellsouth.net@autox.team.net > [mailto:mgs-bounces+ericemarkley=bellsouth.net@autox.team.net]On Behalf > Of Bob Donahue > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:37 AM > To: mgs > Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools > > > Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. I'm going to > take some trips this summer. > > Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) > Email - bobmgtd@insightbb.com > Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 > 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 > Member: NEMGTR #11470 > NAMGBR # 7-3336 > Hoosier MGB Club > Olde Octagons of Indiana _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 10:11:14 2008 From: Max Heim To: MG List Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 09:09:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools Don't forget the cylinder head! I believe the early owner's manual recommended packing one for extended journeys... -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 5/8/08 7:55 AM, Frank at frankk@intap.net wrote: > In addition to the usual, I guess I am paranoid and also include a spare > dizzy, starter, carb rebuild kit, slave cylinder kit, brake/clutch fluid, > points, condenser, plugs, plug wires, WD40, etc. Needless to say there is > hardly room left for luggage! > Frank "Swamp Yankee" Krajewski > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Donahue" > To: "mgs" > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:37 AM > Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools > > >> Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. I'm going >> to >> take some trips this summer. >> >> Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) >> Email - bobmgtd@insightbb.com >> Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 >> 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 >> Member: NEMGTR #11470 >> NAMGBR # 7-3336 >> Hoosier MGB Club >> Olde Octagons of Indiana _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 10:36:29 2008 From: "Douglas McKinnie" To: Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 17:36:41 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] MGB tie down I've looked through the archives and don't find this: I'll be transporting my MGB-GT in a box-van. I've got a source for swivel floor-anchors that can take the angular pull with a 5/1 safety margin, but I'm wondering what I should use for tie-down points on the car itself. 4x4-ers like chains over the axles, but of course we don't have a front axle, and my car has the brake lines strapped tight to the front of the rear axle. My inclination is to use two poly roundslings or wire-rope slings for the rear axle, crossing them so that they stay near the diff (away from the brake lines) and also providing some restriction for side-to-side movement of the car. These will be shackled to the anchor-points and the car moved forward to take up the slack. Then I'm thinking snap-hook 2" ratchet straps to the front-a-arms. Do I wrap an axle-strap around the whole a-arm?, just run a chain through the a-arm somewhere? Thanks Douglas '70 MGB-GT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 11:16:55 2008 From: "Dodd, Kelvin" To: "Douglas McKinnie" , Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:18:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB tie down Douglas: This is my recommendation: FWIW Using nylon axle straps is the best way to protect the car and the ratchet straps. On the front, pass the axle strap up through the gap between the a-arm pan and the pivot bracket. At the back, I pass the axle strap over the rear spring, in front of the axle. This is well away from the brake lines which run across the back of the axle at that point. My race car has rear tube shocks, so I don't have to be too careful. With lever shocks, make sure that you pass the strap between the axle and the link so you pull on the axle, not on the shock link. In my trailer, I don't cross the ratchet straps because the tie downs are at the outer corners of the trailer. If the tie down points are closer it's a good idea to cross strap as it locates the car better. Use common sense, keeping the straps as short as feasible reduces the amount of stretch. Make sure you leave the car in neutral, so when the car moves the gears are not damaged. Don't let anyone help you strap the car down. Do it yourself and you will be sure it's done correctly. Kelvin > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Douglas McKinnie > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:37 AM > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mgs] MGB tie down > > I've looked through the archives and don't find this: > > I'll be transporting my MGB-GT in a box-van. I've got a > source for swivel floor-anchors that can take the angular > pull with a 5/1 safety margin, but I'm wondering what I > should use for tie-down points on the car itself. 4x4-ers > like chains over the axles, but of course we don't have a > front axle, and my car has the brake lines strapped tight to > the front of the rear axle. > > My inclination is to use two poly roundslings or wire-rope > slings for the rear axle, crossing them so that they stay > near the diff (away from the brake > lines) and also providing some restriction for side-to-side > movement of the car. These will be shackled to the > anchor-points and the car moved forward to take up the slack. > Then I'm thinking snap-hook 2" ratchet straps to the > front-a-arms. Do I wrap an axle-strap around the whole > a-arm?, just run a chain through the a-arm somewhere? > > Thanks > Douglas > '70 MGB-GT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 11:18:14 2008 From: "Larry Daniels" To: "MG List" Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 12:18:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools "You only need two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape. If it doesn't move and should, use the WD-40. If it shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape." That oughta do it. Larry Daniels >> Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. I'm going >> to >> take some trips this summer. >> >> Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) >> Email - bobmgtd@insightbb.com >> Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 >> 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 >> Member: NEMGTR #11470 >> NAMGBR # 7-3336 >> Hoosier MGB Club >> Olde Octagons of Indiana _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 11:48:55 2008 From: "Simon Matthews" To: "Max Heim" Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:49:13 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools Max, I can recommend the tyre inflation aerosols also. I had one occasion (NOT an MGB), where I had a flat in my driveway. I could remove all 4 wheel bolts (they were bolts, not nuts), but the wheel was rusted to the hub. Nothing would move it. My solution: re-inflate with the aerosol, put the bolts back in, but 1/2 turn loose, then drive round the block, cornering sharply. The cornering forces on the wheel were enough to overcome the rust. Regards, Simon On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Max Heim wrote: > Tire repair kit? > > I'ver tried to dismount an MGB's tire using hand tools, and I decided it > couldn't be done. I would suggest "Known good spare, freshly filled, and a > can of Fix-A-Flat" instead. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 12:17:10 2008 From: "Oliver" To: "Max Heim" , "MG List" Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:12:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools and spare tranny? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Heim" To: "MG List" Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools > Don't forget the cylinder head! I believe the early owner's manual > recommended packing one for extended journeys... > > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Mountain View, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > > on 5/8/08 7:55 AM, Frank at frankk@intap.net wrote: > >> In addition to the usual, I guess I am paranoid and also include a spare >> dizzy, starter, carb rebuild kit, slave cylinder kit, brake/clutch fluid, >> points, condenser, plugs, plug wires, WD40, etc. Needless to say there >> is >> hardly room left for luggage! >> Frank "Swamp Yankee" Krajewski >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob Donahue" >> To: "mgs" >> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:37 AM >> Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools >> >> >>> Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. I'm going >>> to >>> take some trips this summer. >>> >>> Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) >>> Email - bobmgtd@insightbb.com >>> Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 >>> 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 >>> Member: NEMGTR #11470 >>> NAMGBR # 7-3336 >>> Hoosier MGB Club _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 12:22:46 2008 From: Paul Root To: Simon Matthews Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:23:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools I had that, used an 8lb persuader, alternating side to side. With a block of wood. On May 8, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Simon Matthews wrote: > Max, > > I can recommend the tyre inflation aerosols also. I had one occasion > (NOT an MGB), where I had a flat in my driveway. I could remove all 4 > wheel bolts (they were bolts, not nuts), but the wheel was rusted to > the hub. Nothing would move it. My solution: re-inflate with the > aerosol, put the bolts back in, but 1/2 turn loose, then drive round > the block, cornering sharply. The cornering forces on the wheel were > enough to overcome the rust. > > Regards, > Simon > > On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Max Heim > wrote: >> Tire repair kit? >> >> I'ver tried to dismount an MGB's tire using hand tools, and I >> decided it >> couldn't be done. I would suggest "Known good spare, freshly >> filled, and a >> can of Fix-A-Flat" instead. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ptrmgb@gmail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 12:24:19 2008 From: Dan DiBiase To: Oliver , Max Heim , MG Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 11:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools Well, in that case, I guess just tow a spare B along behind! ;-) Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress... '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html ----- Original Message ---- From: Oliver To: Max Heim ; MG List Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 2:12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools and spare tranny? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Heim" To: "MG List" Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools > Don't forget the cylinder head! I believe the early owner's manual > recommended packing one for extended journeys... > > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Mountain View, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > > on 5/8/08 7:55 AM, Frank at frankk@intap.net wrote: > >> In addition to the usual, I guess I am paranoid and also include a spare >> dizzy, starter, carb rebuild kit, slave cylinder kit, brake/clutch fluid, >> points, condenser, plugs, plug wires, WD40, etc. Needless to say there >> is >> hardly room left for luggage! >> Frank "Swamp Yankee" Krajewski >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob Donahue" >> To: "mgs" >> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:37 AM >> Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools >> >> >>> Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. I'm going >>> to >>> take some trips this summer. >>> >>> Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) >>> Email - bobmgtd@insightbb.com >>> Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 >>> 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 >>> Member: NEMGTR #11470 >>> NAMGBR # 7-3336 >>> Hoosier MGB Club You are subscribed as d_dibiase@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 12:29:04 2008 From: Paul Root To: "Oliver" Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:29:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools Ok, we're getting close, so I'll just say it. Back in college, my brother drove a 67 Datsun 1600 Roadster. Not much rust, just along the edges. :-) He autocrossed it extensively. Senior year, he signed on to be an Officer in the Navy, and so had disposable income. The racing bug bit. He bought 69 2000 Roadster stripped down with a rollcage added. Over spring break, we towed the 2000 with the 1600, from Manhattan, Ks to Kansas City. Something around 120 miles. 24 through Topeka and Lawrence. K10 into Overland Park, and surface roads into Prairie Village. What a trip. Of course, we hit rush hour (what passes for it) in Lawrence. So, for an extended trip, bring one of everything. :-) Paul. On May 8, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Oliver wrote: > and spare tranny? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Max Heim" > To: "MG List" > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:09 AM > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools > > >> Don't forget the cylinder head! I believe the early owner's manual >> recommended packing one for extended journeys... >> >> >> -- >> >> Max Heim >> '66 MGB GHN3L76149 >> If you're near Mountain View, CA, >> it's the primer red one with chrome wires >> >> >> on 5/8/08 7:55 AM, Frank at frankk@intap.net wrote: >> >>> In addition to the usual, I guess I am paranoid and also include >>> a spare >>> dizzy, starter, carb rebuild kit, slave cylinder kit, brake/clutch >>> fluid, >>> points, condenser, plugs, plug wires, WD40, etc. Needless to say >>> there >>> is >>> hardly room left for luggage! >>> Frank "Swamp Yankee" Krajewski >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Bob Donahue" >>> To: "mgs" >>> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:37 AM >>> Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools >>> >>> >>>> Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. >>>> I'm going >>>> to >>>> take some trips this summer. >>>> >>>> Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) >>>> Email - bobmgtd@insightbb.com >>>> Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 >>>> 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 >>>> Member: NEMGTR #11470 >>>> NAMGBR # 7-3336 >>>> Hoosier MGB Club > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ptrmgb@gmail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 12:33:10 2008 From: "frank" To: "MG List" , "Paul Root" Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 14:32:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools Just to indicate how things have changed in my old age. I once had a new 1974 B, bought it in Reno and immediately drove it across the country to East Lansing, almost 3000 miles, and didn't have a single tool or spare with me. Never had one problem. Today, I don't drive to the gas station without a trunk/boot full of spares and my cel phone! Frank K. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Root" To: "Oliver" Cc: "MG List" Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools > Ok, we're getting close, so I'll just say it. > > Back in college, my brother drove a 67 Datsun 1600 Roadster. Not much > rust, > just along the edges. :-) He autocrossed it extensively. > > Senior year, he signed on to be an Officer in the Navy, and so had > disposable > income. The racing bug bit. He bought 69 2000 Roadster stripped down > with a > rollcage added. > > Over spring break, we towed the 2000 with the 1600, from Manhattan, Ks > to > Kansas City. Something around 120 miles. 24 through Topeka and > Lawrence. K10 > into Overland Park, and surface roads into Prairie Village. What a trip. > Of course, we hit rush hour (what passes for it) in Lawrence. > > So, for an extended trip, bring one of everything. :-) > > Paul. > > On May 8, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Oliver wrote: > >> and spare tranny? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Max Heim" >> To: "MG List" >> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:09 AM >> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools >> >> >>> Don't forget the cylinder head! I believe the early owner's manual >>> recommended packing one for extended journeys... >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Max Heim >>> '66 MGB GHN3L76149 >>> If you're near Mountain View, CA, >>> it's the primer red one with chrome wires >>> >>> >>> on 5/8/08 7:55 AM, Frank at frankk@intap.net wrote: >>> >>>> In addition to the usual, I guess I am paranoid and also include >>>> a spare >>>> dizzy, starter, carb rebuild kit, slave cylinder kit, brake/clutch >>>> fluid, >>>> points, condenser, plugs, plug wires, WD40, etc. Needless to say >>>> there >>>> is >>>> hardly room left for luggage! >>>> Frank "Swamp Yankee" Krajewski >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Bob Donahue" >>>> To: "mgs" >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:37 AM >>>> Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools >>>> >>>> >>>>> Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. >>>>> I'm going >>>>> to >>>>> take some trips this summer. >>>>> >>>>> Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) >>>>> Email - bobmgtd@insightbb.com >>>>> Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 >>>>> 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 >>>>> Member: NEMGTR #11470 >>>>> NAMGBR # 7-3336 >>>>> Hoosier MGB Club >> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 12:38:09 2008 From: mark.jones@exxonmobil.com To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 14:39:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools When take the GT on a road trip I take along: - CAA - cell phone - NAMGBR mutual aid directory - a selection of combination wrenches - sockets w/extension, including a sparkplug socket - posidriv and flat blade screwdrivers - pliers/wire cutter - pocket knife - electrical tape - length of wire - zip ties (handful) - baling wire (couple feet) - points & condenser - points file - rotor & cap - water hoses - spare fuel pump - Haynes manual - coveralls - handwipes Last year on my way back from New Brunswick, the engine quit just east of Quebec City. It took about 10 minutes to find that one of the wires going to coil had broke off at the spade connector. I fixed it by cutting off one of the leads to my driving lights, which used spade connectors, bared the two pieces of wire, twisted them together and wrapped them with electrical tape, and on I went. That, stuck points in the fuel pump, and a sinking float, has been the extent of my road trip breakdowns over the years. When I had the sinking float I was in the middle of nowhere Vermont and the NAMGBR mutual aid directory, CAA, and the cell phone came in VERY handy. The NAMGBR mutual aid directory is worth the price of admission. Mark 73 MGBGT 80 Spitfire 1500 From: "Bob Donahue" Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. I'm going to take some trips this summer. Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 12:39:28 2008 From: "Richard Ewald" To: "Max Heim" Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 11:39:47 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools Naw just a head set. Takes up a lot less room. Murphy's law as it applies to British cars, tools and long trips is: If you have the tools and the parts to repair it on the road, it will not fail. The only failures you will experience is with systems that you do not have the parts and tools onboard. So pick what you don't want to fail and carry those parts. seriously though. a spare fuel pump? slamming the doors or driving on the Bott's dots will shock an SU pump back to life. (BTDT) Tire spoons? Anybody that would try to dismount a tire using what is given in a British car tool kit is nuts. Rick On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Max Heim wrote: > Don't forget the cylinder head! I believe the early owner's manual > recommended packing one for extended journeys... > > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Mountain View, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > > on 5/8/08 7:55 AM, Frank at frankk@intap.net wrote: > > > In addition to the usual, I guess I am paranoid and also include a spare > > dizzy, starter, carb rebuild kit, slave cylinder kit, brake/clutch fluid, > > points, condenser, plugs, plug wires, WD40, etc. Needless to say there > is > > hardly room left for luggage! > > Frank "Swamp Yankee" Krajewski > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bob Donahue" > > To: "mgs" > > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:37 AM > > Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools > > > > > >> Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. I'm going > >> to > >> take some trips this summer. > >> > >> Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) > >> Email - bobmgtd@insightbb.com > >> Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 > >> 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 > >> Member: NEMGTR #11470 > >> NAMGBR # 7-3336 > >> Hoosier MGB Club > >> Olde Octagons of Indiana > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as richard.ewald@gmail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 12:47:37 2008 From: Paul Root To: MG List Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:47:49 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] this mornings drive I'd left the top down over night, and was too lazy to put it up this morning. 45F. I had my newly refurbed heater blowing on my feet, my MG fleece zipped up, my MG XPower baseball hat on, and my heated seat cushion on high. Had a girl in a Kia keep looking over at me and talking on her cell phone. Don't know why. Top down at 40! Paul. _______ Paul T. Root / __\ 1977 MGB / /|| \\ | |\/ || _ | | | || || \ ||__// \_______/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 13:09:46 2008 From: Max Heim To: MG List Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 11:59:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] this mornings drive Heated seat cushion? How decadent... -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 5/8/08 11:47 AM, Paul Root at ptrmgb@gmail.com wrote: > I'd left the top down over night, and was too lazy to put it up this > morning. 45F. I had > my newly refurbed heater blowing on my feet, my MG fleece zipped up, > my MG XPower > baseball hat on, and my heated seat cushion on high. > > Had a girl in a Kia keep looking over at me and talking on her cell > phone. Don't know why. > > > > Top down at 40! > Paul. > > > _______ Paul T. Root > / __\ 1977 MGB > / /|| \\ > | |\/ || _ | > | | || || > \ ||__// > \_______/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 13:22:26 2008 From: rolindsay@yahoo.com To: "Max Heim" Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 19:22:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] this mornings drive At my age that device would make it hard to tell if I'd wet my pants! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Max Heim Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 11:59:40 To:MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] this mornings drive Heated seat cushion? How decadent... -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 5/8/08 11:47 AM, Paul Root at ptrmgb@gmail.com wrote: > I'd left the top down over night, and was too lazy to put it up this > morning. 45F. I had > my newly refurbed heater blowing on my feet, my MG fleece zipped up, > my MG XPower > baseball hat on, and my heated seat cushion on high. > > Had a girl in a Kia keep looking over at me and talking on her cell > phone. Don't know why. > > > > Top down at 40! > Paul. > > > _______ Paul T. Root > / __\ 1977 MGB > / /|| \\ > | |\/ || _ | > | | || || > \ ||__// > \_______/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as rolindsay@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 13:29:24 2008 From: "Larry Daniels" To: "MG List" Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 14:29:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] this mornings drive If the current is high enough, you will know. Larry Daniels ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Max Heim" ; ; "MG List" Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] this mornings drive At my age that device would make it hard to tell if I'd wet my pants! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Max Heim Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 11:59:40 To:MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] this mornings drive Heated seat cushion? How decadent... -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 13:46:00 2008 From: "Simon Matthews" To: "Paul Root" Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 12:46:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools Paul, I had previously tried large persuaders. Actually, the problem happened to me twice (same type of car, different cars: Alfasud). The first time it happened, I did not have a flat, rather a flat spot on the tyre, so I drove to work, where 15 minutes with some releasing fluid did the trick. I have never found releasing fluid that worked as well as they had at that lab (Lucas Research Centre). It was pure magic in a can! The reason for the problem on that car was that the wheel was an interference fit on the boss on the hub. This rusted, unless one greased the hub/wheel contact point. Regards, Simon On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Paul Root wrote: > I had that, used an 8lb persuader, alternating side to side. With a block of > wood. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 13:59:30 2008 From: Paul Root To: Max Heim Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 14:59:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] this mornings drive It's pretty nice. $20 at Fleet Farm. I bought it last fall for my Subaru. Since the B takes the garage, the Subaru sits out in the cold. This thing takes the edge off. That and the block heater made early morning a bit more tolerable this past winter. On May 8, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Max Heim wrote: > Heated seat cushion? How decadent... > > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Mountain View, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > > on 5/8/08 11:47 AM, Paul Root at ptrmgb@gmail.com wrote: > >> I'd left the top down over night, and was too lazy to put it up this >> morning. 45F. I had >> my newly refurbed heater blowing on my feet, my MG fleece zipped up, >> my MG XPower >> baseball hat on, and my heated seat cushion on high. >> >> Had a girl in a Kia keep looking over at me and talking on her cell >> phone. Don't know why. >> >> >> >> Top down at 40! >> Paul. >> >> >> _______ Paul T. Root >> / __\ 1977 MGB >> / /|| \\ >> | |\/ || _ | >> | | || || >> \ ||__// >> \_______/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ptrmgb@gmail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 14:00:07 2008 From: Paul Root To: rolindsay@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 15:00:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] this mornings drive You do think that when you get out of the car. :-) On May 8, 2008, at 2:22 PM, rolindsay@yahoo.com wrote: > At my age that device would make it hard to tell if I'd wet my pants! > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: Max Heim > > Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 11:59:40 > To:MG List > Subject: Re: [Mgs] this mornings drive > > > Heated seat cushion? How decadent... > > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Mountain View, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > > on 5/8/08 11:47 AM, Paul Root at ptrmgb@gmail.com wrote: > >> I'd left the top down over night, and was too lazy to put it up this >> morning. 45F. I had >> my newly refurbed heater blowing on my feet, my MG fleece zipped up, >> my MG XPower >> baseball hat on, and my heated seat cushion on high. >> >> Had a girl in a Kia keep looking over at me and talking on her cell >> phone. Don't know why. >> >> >> >> Top down at 40! >> Paul. >> >> >> _______ Paul T. Root >> / __\ 1977 MGB >> / /|| \\ >> | |\/ || _ | >> | | || || >> \ ||__// >> \_______/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as rolindsay@yahoo.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ptrmgb@gmail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 15:59:36 2008 From: "Richard Ewald" To: "Paul Root" Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 14:56:57 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] this mornings drive This past weekend I was in Northern Nevada for some business. My host loaned me his Factory Five Roadster http://www.factoryfive.com/rdsterhome.html to drive. At 7Am it was in the high 30's/low 40's. No top, no heater, no bun warmers. No mufflers, six speeds forward, and over 400 HP at the rear wheels. It was like driving a midget with 10X as much power. I was grinning like a loon as I drove to work. It sure made that first cup of coffee at work taste good. Rick On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Paul Root wrote: > I'd left the top down over night, and was too lazy to put it up this > morning. 45F. > > Top down at 40! > Paul. > > > _______ Paul T. Root > / __\ 1977 MGB > / /|| \\ > | |\/ || _ | > | | || || > \ ||__// > \_______/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as richard.ewald@gmail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 16:39:29 2008 From: Paul Root To: Richard Ewald Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 17:39:41 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] this mornings drive sounds about perfect. :-) On May 8, 2008, at 4:56 PM, Richard Ewald wrote: > This past weekend I was in Northern Nevada for some business. My > host loaned me his Factory Five Roadster http://www.factoryfive.com/rdsterhome.html > to drive. > At 7Am it was in the high 30's/low 40's. No top, no heater, no bun > warmers. No mufflers, six speeds forward, and over 400 HP at the > rear wheels. It was like driving a midget with 10X as much power. > I was grinning like a loon as I drove to work. > It sure made that first cup of coffee at work taste good. > Rick > > On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Paul Root wrote: > I'd left the top down over night, and was too lazy to put it up this > morning. 45F. > > Top down at 40! > Paul. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 17:02:26 2008 From: "Monte/Jane Morris" To: "Simon Matthews" Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 07:02:43 +0800 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools I'm the proud owner of a set of tire removal tools. I once tried to remove a junk tire off a wheel I was having powder coated. After pounding and sweating for at least hour, I decided to punch a hole in the tire with a sawzall and remove it that way. I got through most of the steel belts except the ones on the bead right next to the rim. After about another hour of cussing, I finally then took it to the station to have them remove it the rest of the way. They sweated and cussed me for another eternity as they tried to remove the shredded mess and they charged me probably more than I could have bought a new tire for:). Moral of story; if you own a set of hand tyre removal tools use them for weights on fishing line, ear rings for African tribes, tongue depressors, inserting suppositories into people that sell them, or ANYTHING ELSE besides tire removal! On 5/9/08, Simon Matthews wrote: > > Paul, > > I had previously tried large persuaders. > > Actually, the problem happened to me twice (same type of car, > different cars: Alfasud). The first time it happened, I did not have a > flat, rather a flat spot on the tyre, so I drove to work, where 15 > minutes with some releasing fluid did the trick. > > I have never found releasing fluid that worked as well as they had at > that lab (Lucas Research Centre). It was pure magic in a can! > > The reason for the problem on that car was that the wheel was an > interference fit on the boss on the hub. This rusted, unless one > greased the hub/wheel contact point. > > Regards, > Simon > > On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Paul Root wrote: > > I had that, used an 8lb persuader, alternating side to side. With a block > of > > wood. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as montejane@gmail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 8 21:38:30 2008 From: Mike Duvall To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 22:38:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 hmmm, a proper tire repair kit is simply a can of hair spray. A few squirts into the stem with the valve out, slide a match in and run like hell. Once the rim comes back down refitting a new tire is a cinch. On May 8, 2008, at 1:00 PM, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Tire repair kit? > > I'ver tried to dismount an MGB's tire using hand tools, and I > decided it > couldn't be done. I would suggest "Known good spare, freshly > filled, and a > can of Fix-A-Flat" instead. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 9 06:33:43 2008 From: Eric Erickson To: MG list Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 22:03:53 +0930 Subject: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure I am a happy boy. It looks like a great weekend for a topless drive in the hills (after a week of much-needed rain in these parched parts ) AND I PICKED UP MY CAR FROM THE PANEL SHOP TODAY! For those who missed the earlier sob story, I was rear-ended near the city the other week. Luckily it was not on the racetrack so the other guy's (girl's) insurance company paid the $AU4,500.00 bill! This is the second time I have had this little panel shop work on my car and once again I am thrilled with their workmanship. There was plenty of beating, cutting and painting to do. I have put a couple of images up for the world to see. Pardon the grainy images and the colour differential between pre and post panel work shots (it was getting dark when I got home so the "after" shots were taken with my phone camera). She really is that deep blue colour but the quality of the workmanship shows even with the grainy phone pictures. Lots of prep still to do before the next big event - but I am a happy man right now and I will be off for a decent drive tomorrow! Here are the pix: Before: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2377/2478326022_16161d8a3d.jpg After: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3046/2478326030_fd37af1734.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3089/2478326042_f87f704def.jpg Eric '68 MGB MkII Adelaide, South Australia _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 9 06:50:49 2008 From: Carl French To: Eric Erickson , MG list Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 05:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure That is a beautiful color for the car. Carl FWIW, My GT got hit going to work two winters ago and it turned out to be one of the good things to happen to the car (profitable settlement). I am trying to find another 16 year old on her cell phone to help me get a new paint job as well :-) Eric Erickson wrote: I am a happy boy. It looks like a great weekend for a topless drive in the hills (after a week of much-needed rain in these parched parts ) AND I PICKED UP MY CAR FROM THE PANEL SHOP TODAY! For those who missed the earlier sob story, I was rear-ended near the city the other week. Luckily it was not on the racetrack so the other guy's (girl's) insurance company paid the $AU4,500.00 bill! This is the second time I have had this little panel shop work on my car and once again I am thrilled with their workmanship. There was plenty of beating, cutting and painting to do. I have put a couple of images up for the world to see. Pardon the grainy images and the colour differential between pre and post panel work shots (it was getting dark when I got home so the "after" shots were taken with my phone camera). She really is that deep blue colour but the quality of the workmanship shows even with the grainy phone pictures. Lots of prep still to do before the next big event - but I am a happy man right now and I will be off for a decent drive tomorrow! Here are the pix: Before: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2377/2478326022_16161d8a3d.jpg After: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3046/2478326030_fd37af1734.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3089/2478326042_f87f704def.jpg Eric '68 MGB MkII Adelaide, South Australia You are subscribed as leylandauto@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 9 07:17:03 2008 From: Rick Lindsay To: Carl French , Eric Erickson Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 06:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure The world just doesn't look out for low-slung cars! ESPECIALLY here in TruckVille, Texas! I once had an 18-wheel semi merge right on top of me while driving the 308GTB. The near-collision was so close that the edge of his trailer OVERHUNG the Ferrari's top! I had to dive for the almost non-existent shoulder and thankfully, escaped with no personal or automotive harm. BTW, my 308GTB is 44" ( 112cm) tall and, at that time, was tarmac gray. The car was essentially invisible to him. Glad you both are unharmed. And our old cars were not made to crush. rick --- Carl French wrote: > That is a beautiful color for the car. > Carl > > FWIW, My GT got hit going to work two winters ago > and it turned out to be one of the good things to > happen to the car (profitable settlement). I am > trying to find another 16 year old on her cell phone > to help me get a new paint job as well :-) > > Eric Erickson wrote: > I am a happy boy. > > It looks like a great weekend for a topless drive in > the hills (after > a week of much-needed rain in these parched parts ) > AND I PICKED UP > MY CAR FROM THE PANEL SHOP TODAY! > > For those who missed the earlier sob story, I was > rear-ended near the > city the other week. Luckily it was not on the > racetrack so the > other guy's (girl's) insurance company paid the > $AU4,500.00 bill! > > This is the second time I have had this little panel > shop work on my > car and once again I am thrilled with their > workmanship. There was > plenty of beating, cutting and painting to do. > > I have put a couple of images up for the world to > see. Pardon the > grainy images and the colour differential between > pre and post panel > work shots (it was getting dark when I got home so > the "after" shots > were taken with my phone camera). She really is that > deep blue > colour but the quality of the workmanship shows even > with the grainy > phone pictures. > > Lots of prep still to do before the next big event - > but I am a happy > man right now and I will be off for a decent drive > tomorrow! > > Here are the pix: > > Before: > http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2377/2478326022_16161d8a3d.jpg > > After: > http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3046/2478326030_fd37af1734.jpg > http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3089/2478326042_f87f704def.jpg > > > Eric > '68 MGB MkII > Adelaide, South Australia > You are subscribed as leylandauto@yahoo.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as rolindsay@yahoo.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 9 07:22:43 2008 From: "Richard Gosling" To: "Rick Lindsay" Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 14:23:02 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure "...BTW, my 308GTB is 44" (112cm) tall and, at that time, was tarmac gray. The car was essentially invisible to him..." Maybe that's why most Ferraris are painted red! Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 9 07:27:50 2008 From: Eric Erickson To: MG list Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 22:56:27 +0930 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure On 09/05/2008, at 10:21 PM, Carl French wrote: > That is a beautiful color for the car. > Carl > > FWIW, My GT got hit going to work two winters ago and it turned out > to be one of the good things to happen to the car (profitable > settlement). I am trying to find another 16 year old on her cell > phone to help me get a new paint job as well :-) > Now that all is said and done and I have my car back looking so nice I can admit a couple of things. 1. I was looking forward to a new tail light lens on the left hand side to match the right one that was replaced in the last crunch. 2. I got myself a shiny new bumper :-) It looks and feels like a quality item - it was sourced by my MG mechanic. Lovely. 3. I got rid of a really, really annoying little "dimple" in the middle of my bootlid that came from slamming it down on something packed a little high (no-one could notice that little bump until I pointed it out to them but it would attract my attention every time... so annoying). That was the first thing I really noticed when I first walked into the shop... no bloody little bump in the bootlid... yay! I guess it is only right that you get some little bonus for putting up with the inconvenience and pain of someone else's stupidity! Eric '68 MGB MkII Adelaide, South Australia _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 9 07:50:24 2008 From: David Breneman To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 06:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure --- Eric Erickson wrote: > I have put a couple of images up for the world to see. Pardon the > grainy images and the colour differential between pre and post > panel > work shots (it was getting dark when I got home so the "after" > shots were taken with my phone camera). Thy really did a great job. But, what's with the license plate? David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 9 07:57:45 2008 From: Joseph Cianciotti To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 08:57:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mgs] MGB in TV spot Check out the MGB-GT in this spot for the BBC. http://youtube.com/watch?v=V1_bl5oUmMo Joseph 67 MGB Roadster _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 9 08:04:33 2008 From: Eric Erickson To: MG list Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 23:34:35 +0930 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure On 09/05/2008, at 11:20 PM, David Breneman wrote: > --- Eric Erickson wrote: > >> I have put a couple of images up for the world to see. Pardon the >> grainy images and the colour differential between pre and post >> panel >> work shots (it was getting dark when I got home so the "after" >> shots were taken with my phone camera). > > > Thy really did a great job. But, what's with the license plate? > > It is just one of those paranoid habits where you hide your license plate so people can't track you down and steal your car. I don't know why I bother because I don't always do it. Eric '68 MGB MkII Adelaide, South Australia _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 9 08:19:33 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Joseph Cianciotti" , Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 15:13:47 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB in TV spot Bastards ----- Original Message ----- > Check out the MGB-GT in this spot for the BBC. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 9 09:02:18 2008 From: Eric Erickson To: MG list Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 00:32:31 +0930 Subject: [Mgs] MGB Bollywood Star Seeing as I am up this late posting... First a little history: Someone may remember a year of so ago when I posted about a strange incident where a Bollywood movie was being shot in my city (Adelaide) and they accidentally wrecked a silver MGB (that is, they wrecked a lovingly restored MGB accidentally as well as an old MGB "stunt car" they roughly painted silver that was meant to be damaged in the name of art). I don't think the scandal over that has been sorted out yet and the "body" of the wrecked stunt MGB is still in my mate's yard. Well, that movie is just about to make it to the big screen and it looks like they have thrown a fair bit of money into the space-aged production and effects using the same people that did the effects for movies like Lord of the Rings, Chronicles of Narnia, Van Helsing etc etc etc. Sort of unusual for a Bollywood movie. So, soon you will be able to go to a movie and see that wonderful MGB in its co-starring role and know some of the back story behind it. And (ta dah) here it is ( I am sure you get to see a lot more of it in the actual movie). Check out the three seconds of this trailer between 1:23 and 1:26 (pause it if you wish). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBj1q-g6cts Eric '68 MGB MkII Adelaide, South Australia _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 9 09:36:13 2008 From: Dan DiBiase To: Eric Erickson , MG list Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 08:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure Looks great, Eric! Have a drive and a pint to celebrate! Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress... '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html ----- Original Message ---- From: Eric Erickson To: MG list Sent: Friday, May 9, 2008 8:33:53 AM Subject: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure I am a happy boy. It looks like a great weekend for a topless drive in the hills (after a week of much-needed rain in these parched parts ) AND I PICKED UP MY CAR FROM THE PANEL SHOP TODAY! For those who missed the earlier sob story, I was rear-ended near the city the other week. Luckily it was not on the racetrack so the other guy's (girl's) insurance company paid the $AU4,500.00 bill! This is the second time I have had this little panel shop work on my car and once again I am thrilled with their workmanship. There was plenty of beating, cutting and painting to do. I have put a couple of images up for the world to see. Pardon the grainy images and the colour differential between pre and post panel work shots (it was getting dark when I got home so the "after" shots were taken with my phone camera). She really is that deep blue colour but the quality of the workmanship shows even with the grainy phone pictures. Lots of prep still to do before the next big event - but I am a happy man right now and I will be off for a decent drive tomorrow! Here are the pix: Before: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2377/2478326022_16161d8a3d.jpg After: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3046/2478326030_fd37af1734.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3089/2478326042_f87f704def.jpg _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 9 09:45:44 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "MG list" , "Eric Erickson" Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 16:33:22 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB Bollywood Star That is similar to a stunt in the latest Bond film (which has recently trashed an Aston as it was being delivered to the set by a company driver who drove it into Lake Garda). In the stunt a baddies car is overtaking overtaking a lorry with another baddies car behind the lorry, and the first car crashes head-on into a lorry coming the other way. For filming the first car is attached to the side of the first lorry so it looks like it is overtaking, attached with explosive bolts which are fired just as the 2nd lorry approaches it. The 2nd car is being driven by stunt actors. The 1st car is intended to be wrecked of course, but what actually happened is that it spun round after the impact and smashed into the 2nd car, wrecked that and forced it onto the edge of a cliff a la the coach in the original Italian Job. Both occupants were injured, one seriously, and several people had to sit on the bonnet to stop the car going over the cliff while they cut them out. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Check out the three seconds of this trailer between 1:23 and 1:26 > (pause it if you wish). > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBj1q-g6cts _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 9 09:56:41 2008 From: Rick Lindsay To: Paul Hunt , MG list Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 08:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB Bollywood Star --- Paul Hunt wrote: > That is similar to a stunt in the latest Bond film > (which has recently > trashed an Aston as it was being delivered to the > set by a company driver > who drove it into Lake Garda). In the stunt a > baddies car is overtaking > overtaking a lorry with another baddies car behind > the lorry, and the first > car crashes head-on into a lorry coming the other > way. I've driven those roads and they are "almost" one lane wide! They make Scotland's single carriage lanes look like motorways! rick _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 9 10:39:47 2008 From: Max Heim To: MG List Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 09:38:14 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Racing flicks A friend called me up last night to tell me that the Turner Classic Movie channel was showing racing films. I missed Grand Prix (it would probably have lost its impact on my small screen), but caught most of The Green Helmet, which I had never heard of, but which featured sports car racing from the late 50s or early 60s (I'm guessing). I switched it on just as the hero (William Travers) was crashing at Le Mans, then watched him testing at Silverstone (in what I am guessing was a Lister-Jag). His car mysteriously morphed into a birdcage Maserati for Sebring, where he partnered with Jack Brabham (!), winning after his rival in a Corvette crashed and burned. The big finale was the Mille Miglia (which I am thinking had already been cancelled by then), with hair-raising in-car footage of what seemed to be the actual course. It struck me as similar to driving the California Melee, except balls-out (as opposed to a spirited cruise), and in truly fast machinery, with crazed fans lining the route 10 deep -- in other words, terrifying. After that came To Please a Lady (terrible title), with Clark Gable as a hard-charging, never-back-off Dale Earnhardt-type USAC racer. Great footage of dirt track midget racing and classic Indy front-engine roadsters. The finale at the Indy 500 had him going mano-a-mano with Mauri Rose in a front-drive special (was that the Novi?). The romantic subplot with the equally hard-nosed Barbara Stanwyck was unconvincing, but Gable looked right at home in the cockpit and the paddock. Great stuff... -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 9 11:38:20 2008 From: David Breneman To: Eric Erickson , MG list Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure --- Eric Erickson wrote: > It is just one of those paranoid habits where you hide your license > plate so people can't track you down and steal your car. > > I don't know why I bother because I don't always do it. Ah, interesting. Is that really a problem? Anyway, they really did a good job on it. David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 9 13:00:14 2008 From: "Oliver" To: "MG list" Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 13:49:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure i'm convinced! i'm using them, even if i have to ship the car! > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Eric Erickson > To: MG list > Sent: Friday, May 9, 2008 8:33:53 AM > Subject: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure > > I am a happy boy. > > It looks like a great weekend for a topless drive in the hills (after > a week of much-needed rain in these parched parts ) AND I PICKED UP > MY CAR FROM THE PANEL SHOP TODAY! > > For those who missed the earlier sob story, I was rear-ended near the > city the other week. Luckily it was not on the racetrack so the > other guy's (girl's) insurance company paid the $AU4,500.00 bill! > > This is the second time I have had this little panel shop work on my > car and once again I am thrilled with their workmanship. There was > plenty of beating, cutting and painting to do. > > I have put a couple of images up for the world to see. Pardon the > grainy images and the colour differential between pre and post panel > work shots (it was getting dark when I got home so the "after" shots > were taken with my phone camera). She really is that deep blue > colour but the quality of the workmanship shows even with the grainy > phone pictures. > > Lots of prep still to do before the next big event - but I am a happy > man right now and I will be off for a decent drive tomorrow! > > Here are the pix: > > Before: > http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2377/2478326022_16161d8a3d.jpg > > After: > http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3046/2478326030_fd37af1734.jpg > http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3089/2478326042_f87f704def.jpg > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 9 13:47:56 2008 From: "W. David Houser" To: Max Heim Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 15:48:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Racing flicks Agree, great stuff on TCM last night. I hadn't seen the Green Helmet either. Dave Houser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 9 14:06:21 2008 From: "W. David Houser" To: Joseph Cianciotti Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 16:06:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB in TV spot Excellent!!!! Dave Houser (Looks like mine) On May 9, 2008, at 9:57 AM, Joseph Cianciotti wrote: > Check out the MGB-GT in this spot for the BBC. > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=V1_bl5oUmMo > > Joseph > 67 MGB Roadster > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 9 14:09:02 2008 From: Paul Root To: MG List Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 15:09:18 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Chinese company to restart MG TF production - AutoWeek To: "'MG list'" Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 18:05:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure I used to drive a Mars Red Sirocco, the color doesn't matter. I had one change lanes on me and also had to hit the berm. -- Stephen West-Fisher Coastal Data Systems 727.599.4271 http://www.coastaldatasystems.com/ -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+steve=coastaldatasystems.com@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+steve=coastaldatasystems.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rick Lindsay Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 9:17 AM To: Carl French; Eric Erickson; MG list Subject: Re: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure The world just doesn't look out for low-slung cars! BTW, my 308GTB is 44" ( 112cm) tall and, at that time, was tarmac gray. The car was essentially invisible to him. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat May 10 00:47:01 2008 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: , "Glenn Schnittke" Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 08:47:12 +0200 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hand cranking Citrokn 2CV's were made into the eighties with handcranking standard equipment. I have had 2 of these and the manual states, that when the outside temperature falls below 10 deg C, one should handcrank without the ignotion switches on for 10 turns, in order to ease the battery to actually start the engine. At least this was the case for my 1965 2CV, which was equipped with a 6 V battery. I actually had to use this and it worked quite well. Cheers, Hans '71 BGT engine in overhaul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Schnittke" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 2:40 AM Subject: [Mgs] Hand cranking > Discussion came up at home tonight twixt the wife and myself about > hand-cranking engines and when the practice died out. > > The question before the board is "What was the last automobile > manufactured > with the capability to hand crank the engine?" Not the necessity, but the > capability. > > Glenn > > > > > It's all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. > And then we'll have an eye to play with. > -Durwood > > Glenn Schnittke > g.schnittke@comcast.net > glenn.schnittke@vanderbilt.edu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat May 10 08:17:39 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Max Heim" , "MG List" Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 15:06:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Racing flicks Ah well, since when did American film makers take any notice of historical accuracy? ----- Original Message ----- > ... The > big finale was the Mille Miglia (which I am thinking had already been > cancelled by then),... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat May 10 08:48:18 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "MG List" , "Paul Root" Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 15:36:17 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Chinese company to restart MG TF production - One of many dates announced, none have been met so far, although this one is closer so hopefully more chance of achieving it. Last I heard the firm contracted to do body welding had pulled out as the volumes weren't enough to justify their investment, projected numbers (of cars and future employees) and been reduced a number of times. I hope they are more 'modern' than the Roewe ones shown accompanying the news item, they looked almost exactly the same as the MG Rover models when they went bust. PaulH. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat May 10 11:05:51 2008 From: don To: Mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:05:11 -0800 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Chinese companies >On the subject of Chinese industry- If any of you have any of the >"Original" MG (or other marques) books, take a look at where they were >printed. Three of the ones I have were printed in China, two in Hong >Kong. The books are beautifully crafted, so can't criticize for >quality. They are not cheap; they could have been printed here in the >U.S. and sold for the same amount and been profitable for the book company. >Books are just one minor industry among the miltitude of products that we >are buying from foreign sources, products that we used to extract or >manufacture ourselves. I wonder if we western consumers realize that when >Asian and Middle Eastern companies invest all their profits that the next >thing they'll pluck off is our agricultural land. They have a lot of >mouths to feed. -- Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.9/1418 - Release Date: 05/06/2008 5:17 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun May 11 12:07:51 2008 From: "Eric J Russell" To: Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 14:07:31 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] MGA radiator duct panel question I am doing some long neglected repairs on my MGA. (Well, all it really needs is to have the body repaired, the chassis replaced and the drivetrain rebuilt...) Anyway, I've decided to replace the radiator duct panel rather than try to patch it. My question is: can it be R/R'ed without also replacing the valence support panel? (item #35 here: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29234 ) Eric Russell Mebane, NC http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun May 11 15:21:59 2008 From: Max Heim To: MG List Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 13:57:10 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Racing flicks British filmmakers, in this case. on 5/10/08 7:06 AM, Paul Hunt at paul.hunt1@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: > Ah well, since when did American film makers take any notice of historical > accuracy? > > ----- Original Message ----- >> ... The >> big finale was the Mille Miglia (which I am thinking had already been >> cancelled by then),... > > -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun May 11 15:34:19 2008 From: "Howard Battan" To: "MG Mailing List" Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 14:34:27 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] MGB oil filter adapter - found! Folks, I recently posted that I was in need of an upright oil filter adapter for a '79 'B'. Good news- Jon found a good used one for me at a fair price, so I'm all set to install it and run again. Thanks for having such a great resource as this list to help us out with our little 'issues'. Howard Battan _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon May 12 19:49:19 2008 From: Steven Trovato To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:55 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust? I have seen the assertion that positive ground encourages rust, while negative ground inhibits it. I can see how making the body of the car be the anode could be a bad thing, in theory. What I am wondering is, has anyone ever seen any real evidence that there is any difference in actual practice? I'm looking for some real data. My googling has not turned up anything other than anecdotal information. Maybe I need to consult with the Positive Earth Society. Thanks. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 13 02:17:06 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Steven Trovato" , Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 08:54:41 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust? The theory is well proven in other areas, telecoms cables used to be lead covered and in the days of electric trams with earth return through the rails and ground the currents could literally cause the lead to transfer from the cable sheath into the ground. The telcos counteracted this by burying lead anodes in the ground connected to a voltage supply which balanced the current flow in the cables and the 'sacrificial anode' was destroyed instead. I did remember hearing at the time of the change of car polarity that (one of) the reason(s) was electrolytic corrosion, but if you reverse the polarity something else has to corrode, so what that was going to be I can't recall. It would only happen where there were electrical connections, so maybe it was supposed to be the terminals bolted to the body that corroded instead of the body, but I can't say I have ever seen any evidence of that. In any case the other side of the electrical circuit i.e. where the battery connected to the body instead of where the components connected to the body would have reversed potential as well and so in theory that would then corrode at the body instead. But that could only affect ground connections to the body as I say, not corrosion elsewhere. That is either caused by exposure to the elements, or in the case of most volume manufacturers in the late 60s and 70s when costs were rising rapidly they were buying cheaper steel, which hadn't been heated high enough for long enough to get rid of the impurities, and using thinner paint coverings. The cheaper steel suffers from localised *internal* electrolytic corrosion even when fully sealed from the elements, and was the main cause of perforation at that time. I believe BMW at that time used to soak samples of each delivery of steel in a brine bath for several hours if not days and if any surface rust was visible at the end they would reject the whole consignment. Things got so bad that eventually all manufacturers had to pull their socks up and go for improved steel, better paint and wax treatments of box-sections in order to offer multi-year anti-perforation guarantees, but that was *only* against internal corrosion, not external from damaged paint surfaces. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- I have seen the assertion that positive ground encourages rust, while negative ground inhibits it. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 13 02:47:59 2008 From: "Richard Gosling" To: "Paul Hunt" Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:31:08 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust? "...but if you reverse the polarity something else has to corrode, so what that was going to be I can't recall..." Well, that would make any live wire more vulnerable to corrosion, instead of anything that was earth. But since the live wires are pretty well protected by their insulation, and are mostly copper or aluminium anyway (neither of which corrode in a way that leads to failure), that isn't really a problem. The dodgy bit of this whole theory is that, for electrolytic corrosion to occur, current needs to flow through something that surrounds the metal. Under water the current can flow through the water, particularly sea water. Buried underground there is enough moisture around for the current to flow through that. But our cars are surrounded by air - except when it rains! This is why the magic electronic devices that are sold to prevent rust are a waste of time - they work well in demonstrations, because plenty of water is involved, but unless there is a continuous path of water between the device and every bit of metal on your car it's not going to protect your car. Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 13 03:20:16 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Richard Gosling" Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:45:07 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust? Maybe I wrote to much, but that is what I said. The issue *is* supposed to be corrosion where there is an electrical connection, and not simply the polarity of something in free air. In the case of a car body it is where earth wires connect to the body, with one polarity it is supposed to be the body that corrodes, with the other it would be the connector as I said. Copper and aluminium corrode away just as steel does, every metal does with the exception of gold. I've had a headlight wire corrode through where the insulation cracked in the wheel arch and water got in, although that was more likely to be from salt and water rather than polarity. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Well, that would make any live wire more vulnerable to corrosion, instead of anything that was earth. But since the live wires are pretty well protected by their insulation, and are mostly copper or aluminium anyway (neither of which corrode in a way that leads to failure), that isn't really a problem. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 13 05:33:19 2008 From: Steven Trovato To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 07:13:36 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust? Paul & Richard, Yes, I agree with your comments. I guess I am just imagining a nice study that some automotive engineer could have/should have done to prove or disprove this. Maybe take a taxi fleet and set half up one way, and half the other. Then after some years go by, do some analysis of the state of corrosion. Of course you'd probably have to lock away all the jumper cables in the city to keep the fireworks to a minimum. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 13 07:34:46 2008 From: "Robert J. Guinness" To: MG List Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 08:34:49 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] "High rev'ing" MGA carb After rebuilding the cylinder head and carbs on my 1961 MGA (with 1800 MGB 3 main engine and original MGA carbs), the engine fired right up . . . to 3000 RPM! It appears that the rear carb is causing the high revs. If I block about 80% of the rear carb's air inlet, it calms down to around 1500 . The front carb is behaving appropriately. I assume I have issues with the jet because the adjusting nut will not tighten. Here are my questions for the group's wisdom. What is/are the likely cause(s)? Can I fix the carb without removing it (man is space tight around there -- but I hate dealing with the carb stud nuts, vacuum tube, spring holder, etc.)? Can I just remove the rear carb? Any helpful techniques or procedures to deal with these issues? Please note that when I use the word "can", I really mean "should I do it as part of "best practices". Thanks. -- Robert Guinness 1961 MGA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 13 07:52:30 2008 From: barnhart@geneseo.net To: Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 08:52:30 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGA Fuel Guage needed BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Anyone have an extra fuel guage laying about? Outside cosmetics not really important. I really only need a good armature assembly to repair the one I have. So internals would be okay , too. Contact off list. barnhart@geneseo.net [1] Chris 69 MGB 58 MGA Links: ------ [1] mailto:barnhart@geneseo.,net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 13 08:00:21 2008 From: WSpohn4@aol.com To: guinness@stclegal.com, mgs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:00:26 EDT Subject: Re: [Mgs] "High rev'ing" MGA carb You may have a throttle plate that isn't centred or has a loose screw and has become uncentred, jamming the throttle slightly open. Or the throttle shafts may be passing too much air. Either way, the carb probably has to come off to inspect it (unless you wiggle the shaft and it is clearly too loose - in which case the carb has to come off anyway). Bill In a message dated 13/05/2008 6:35:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, guinness@stclegal.com writes: Can I fix the carb without removing it (man is space tight around there -- but I hate dealing with the carb stud nuts, vacuum tube, spring holder, etc.)? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 13 08:25:39 2008 From: Paul Root To: Robert J. Guinness Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:25:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] "High rev'ing" MGA carb I'd say if you are blocking 80% that you have an air leak somewhere. These are H4 then not HS4? Check for vacuum leaks. Reset the carbs to the starting point and try again? On May 13, 2008, at 8:34 AM, Robert J. Guinness wrote: > After rebuilding the cylinder head and carbs on my 1961 MGA (with 1800 > MGB 3 main engine and original MGA carbs), the engine fired right > up . . > . to 3000 RPM! It appears that the rear carb is causing the high > revs. If I block about 80% of the rear carb's air inlet, it calms > down > to around 1500 . The front carb is behaving appropriately. I > assume I > have issues with the jet because the adjusting nut will not tighten. > Here are my questions for the group's wisdom. What is/are the likely > cause(s)? Can I fix the carb without removing it (man is space tight > around there -- but I hate dealing with the carb stud nuts, vacuum > tube, spring holder, etc.)? Can I just remove the rear carb? Any > helpful techniques or procedures to deal with these issues? Please > note > that when I use the word "can", I really mean "should I do it as > part of > "best practices". > > Thanks. > -- > Robert Guinness > 1961 MGA > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ptrmgb@gmail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 13 08:28:12 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Robert J. Guinness" , "MG List" Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:25:11 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] "High rev'ing" MGA carb I don't know about the MGA but this can happen on the MGB if the interconnecting shaft clamps have been tightened before the carbs have been set up. This can be holding one butterfly open much more than the other. Make sure it is nothing external like the linkages, cable, idle and fast idle screws before dismantling. The only way you can get a high idle is if the throttle butterfly isn't fully closing off the throat, or possibly from worn spindle and bushes where the mixture is bypassing the fully closed butterfly. It's not because of the jet. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- ... It appears that the rear carb is causing the high revs. If I block about 80% of the rear carb's air inlet, it calms down to around 1500 . The front carb is behaving appropriately. I assume I have issues with the jet because the adjusting nut will not tighten. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 13 08:43:22 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Robert J. Guinness" Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:36:53 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] "High rev'ing" MGA carb You can't get a high idle, particularly one that revs at 3000 rpm, that can't be reduced by slackening the idle screw, purely from a vacuum leak. It's true that a vacuum leak will make an engine idle faster *for a given throttle opening*, but you should *always* be able to compensate for that by slackening the idle screws. An engine can't run on air alone, if it is running at all then it must be getting some fuel past the butterfly, so either the butterfly is open or the fuel is bypassing it in some way. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- I'd say if you are blocking 80% that you have an air leak somewhere. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 13 11:07:53 2008 From: Barney Gaylord To: "Robert J. Guinness" , MG List Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:19:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] "High rev'ing" MGA carb At 08:34 AM 5/13/2008 -0500, Robert J. Guinness wrote: >After rebuilding the .... carbs on my 1961 MGA .... the engine fired >right up . . . to 3000 RPM! .... I assume I have issues with the >jet because the adjusting nut will not tighten. Adjusting nut will only affect fuel mixture, not cause idle speed that high. Throttle shaft would never be worn so badly to pass enough air to make it idle that high. >Here are my questions for the group's wisdom. What is/are the >likely cause(s)? 3000 rpm idle requires quite a lot of excess air. An air leak that large down stream from the carbs would lean out the mixture so much as to require substantial amout of choke to keep it running, If it "idles" at 3000 rpm without choke it is probably not a leak down strean. If you must hold at least half choke to keep it running, then it may be a LARGE air leak at a down stream gasket or an open hole in the in take manifold. The more likely source of air flow for the high idle speed is a partially open throttle valve. If the throttle plate is off center it will bind on the wall of the throat preventing closure. Solution is to loosen the screws, close the throttle plate fully to touch all around the edge, and tighten the screws. Perhaps the most likely cause of the high idle is carb air flow grossly out of synch (also easiest to fix). The MGA has flexible "accordian" clamps linking the shaft(s) between the carbs. If these are tightened while the carbs are grossly out of synch they will stay that way regardless of what you do with the idle screws. Solution is to loosen one of of the throttle shaft clamps to allow teh two throttle valves to move indendently while you synchromize air flow, then tighten the shaft clamp(s). >Can I fix the carb without removing it .... If teh carbs ar jsut out of synch, it's an wasy fix in situ. Otherwise, probably not. Down strean vacuum leak would require R&R of carbs to fix a gasket leak (unless ittorned out to be a hole in the intake manifold). Misaligned throttle plate requires acess to the small screws in the throttle shaft, which would be quite tricky with the carb mounted (but may be possible if you're a contortionist with a mirror). > Can I just remove the rear carb? .... Yes, if you disconnect on of the throttle shaft clamps. But you have to remove both carbs for access to gaskets inboard from the heat shield. Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 13 13:46:18 2008 From: Paul Root To: MG List Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 14:46:17 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] media blaster in Minneapolis/St Paul I bought 2 more Cosmic wheels for spare almost off eBay, and got them over the weekend. They need to be blasted. Whatever media you use for aluminum. I wasn't thrilled with the place I used last year for the first 4 I bought. And so I'm looking recommendations for a place to take them. Anybody got a good place in the Twin Ciites? I'm in no hurry, these wheels are just spares. Paul. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 13 13:52:05 2008 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "Steven Trovato" , Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 21:52:18 +0200 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust? During my study electronics back in the early seventies, I have been tought, that phone switching equipment like coils and solenoids should be operated with the ground connected to the positve power. Reason is, that the coils would "wear" in time and therewith the wire of the coil would increase in resistance, if the power system would have ground connected to the negative lead. Only my 1966 Ford Cortina had the positive terminal of the battery connected to ground. Practically I did not see any difference. Only the lousy starter motor bendix was cracked once. Nothing to do with the pos/neg. Cheers, Hans '71 BGT with engine in overhaul 18-GK will remain the original! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Trovato" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 3:22 AM Subject: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust? >I have seen the assertion that positive ground encourages rust, while > negative ground inhibits it. I can see how making the body of the > car be the anode could be a bad thing, in theory. What I am > wondering is, has anyone ever seen any real evidence that there is > any difference in actual practice? I'm looking for some real > data. My googling has not turned up anything other than anecdotal > information. Maybe I need to consult with the Positive Earth Society. > Thanks. > > -Steve Trovato > strovato@optonline.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 13 14:28:04 2008 From: Steven Trovato To: Hans Duinhoven , mgs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:27:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust? Hans, Well, the metal erosion/deposition that takes place across contacts is a different situation, I think. As for the actual wire wearing, that I don't understand. Why should a piece of copper care which direction electrons are flowing in? I have an MGA and a Magnette and they are both positive ground and I don't see any difference either. (If you're reading this, sorry Barney. I know this makes you think I'm insane.) In any event, my quest for actual scientific data continues. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 03:52 PM 5/13/2008, Hans Duinhoven wrote: >During my study electronics back in the early seventies, I have been >tought, that phone switching equipment like coils and solenoids >should be operated with the ground connected to the positve power. >Reason is, that the coils would "wear" in time and therewith the >wire of the coil would increase in resistance, if the power system >would have ground connected to the negative lead. > >Only my 1966 Ford Cortina had the positive terminal of the battery >connected to ground. >Practically I did not see any difference. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 13 18:11:14 2008 From: Barney Gaylord To: Steven Trovato , Hans Duinhoven Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 19:09:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust? At 04:27 PM 5/13/2008 -0400, Steven Trovato wrote: >.... >I have an MGA and a Magnette and they are both positive ground and I >don't see any difference either. (If you're reading this, sorry >Barney. I know this makes you think I'm insane.) >.. It doesn't bother me in the least. My MGA ran 20 years with positive earth, then a 9 year layover during restoration, then 21 years with negatige earth. I don't see any difference either. If anyone was worrying about corosion where ground wires connect to the chassis or body, you should remember that all of the ground wires other than the battery ground cable have current flowing in the opposite direction across the connection from the battery ground cable. If current flows from the remote ground wires into the body or chassis, then it flows from the body or chassis into the battery ground cable, or vice versa depanding on polarity. If you think one corrodes more than the other, then you get to choose which you want to corrode more and which less. I don''t have any corrosion problem with any of them. Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 13 18:37:58 2008 From: "Ed's Shop" To: Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 19:37:50 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust? <> Which I doubt anybody here would live to even see!! LOL For REAL info on + earth, Mack Trucks where standard that way for longer than I can remember!!! And last I heard, still available to fleet customers. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed May 14 22:40:43 2008 From: David Breneman To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 21:40:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust? --- Barney Gaylord wrote: > ...If you think one > corrodes more than the other, then you get to choose which you want > to corrode more and which less. I don''t have any corrosion > problem with any of them. That reflects my experience. It would be interesting to know what the "official" reason was for automotive manufacturers to standardize on negative ground. When I asked my father (who was pretty skookum on electrical issues) what the reason was, in the 1970s, he said it had something to do with corrosion, but the actual science of it was always unclear. Hhhhmmmmmmm...... Maybe this is a job for Art Bell. David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 15 19:44:00 2008 From: "Bob Donahue" To: "mgs" Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:44:15 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] test, my ISP changed my address test test test insightbb.com to comcast.net Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) Email - bobmgtd@comcast.net Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 Member: NEMGTR #11470 NAMGBR # 7-3336 Hoosier MGB Club Olde Octagons of Indiana _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 15 19:46:52 2008 From: "Bob Donahue" To: "mgs" Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:47:08 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Painting Rostyle Wheels Rust has reappeared on my MGB rostyle wheels after painting them a few years ago. Would a base coat of POR-15 keep the rust away? Would POR's Stirling Silver be a good match for the top coat? My car is a daily driver, and sees plenty of rain. Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) Email - bobmgtd@comcast.net Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 Member: NEMGTR #11470 NAMGBR # 7-3336 Hoosier MGB Club Olde Octagons of Indiana _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 16 00:56:37 2008 From: "Martin C. Galan" To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 23:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] (no subject) Hi Everyone, I may have the opportunity to acquire a 1969 MGC GT. I know the owner and he has a TC and MGB in his garage also. He is turning 73 and says he has no time to put the MGC together. The MGC has not been used for about 6 years because the automatic transmission gave way. Most of the car is still in good order and the body sound. My questions are; May I swap a manual transmission while I work on the automatic? Unlike the MGB, what is the parts availability like, considering the MGC had a limited run? I plan a show and go car a keeper too. Thanks in advance, Martin 65' MGB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 16 06:49:08 2008 From: Charles Hill To: "Philip Nase" Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 07:49:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] (no subject) Hi Martin, Please note that the following is strictly my opinion: Yes, you may swap the automatic for a manual. But considering all effort and expense involved, you might want to consider putting all that in to repairing the automatic. I have no experience with an MGC but I remember swapping automatics for manuals in american cars - '55 Chevys for example. That was quite a popular swap. Even with lots of donor cars in the junk yards, it was not a project to be taken lightly. A lot of linkages had to be swapped and adjusted. It might be worth considering a permanent swap to a later model automatic transmission. I'm sure there must be something that would be adaptable. Charles Hill Martin C. Galan wrote: > Hi Everyone, > I may have the opportunity to acquire a 1969 MGC GT. I know the owner and he has a TC and MGB in his garage also. He is turning 73 and says he has no time to put the MGC together. The MGC has not been used for about 6 years because the automatic transmission gave way. Most of the car is still in good order and the body sound. > My questions are; May I swap a manual transmission while I work on the automatic? Unlike the MGB, what is the parts availability like, considering the MGC had a limited run? > I plan a show and go car a keeper too. > Thanks in advance, > > Martin > 65' MGB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 16 07:46:23 2008 From: Bob Howard To: batangelias@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 08:20:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] (no subject) I believe the MGC used a common BorgWarner automatic, type 35, that was also used in US postal trucks. Bob On Thu, 15 May 2008 23:56:31 -0700 (PDT) "Martin C. Galan" writes: > Hi Everyone, > I may have the opportunity to acquire a 1969 MGC GT. I know the > owner and he has a TC and MGB in his garage also. He is turning 73 > and says he has no time to put the MGC together. The MGC has not > been used for about 6 years because the automatic transmission gave > way. Most of the car is still in good order and the body sound. > My questions are; May I swap a manual transmission while I work on > the automatic? Unlike the MGB, what is the parts availability like, > considering the MGC had a limited run? > I plan a show and go car a keeper too. > Thanks in advance, > > Martin > 65' MGB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 16 08:10:03 2008 From: WSpohn4@aol.com To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 10:10:11 EDT Subject: Re: [Mgs] (no subject) I have a spare MGC auto box if anyone needs one. Bill In a message dated 16/05/2008 6:46:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mgbob@juno.com writes: I believe the MGC used a common BorgWarner automatic, type 35, that was also used in US postal trucks. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 16 10:09:49 2008 From: Max Heim To: MG List Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 08:44:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] (no subject) That would be not so much a "swap" as a fabrication exercise. You have to add a pedal, remember, with all the associated linkage. I don't know how BMC did it, but American cars of that era used different floor and tunnel stampings for manuals and automatics. Then consider, you would be changing it all back. It would probably be easier to repair/replace the automatic. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 5/15/08 11:56 PM, Martin C. Galan at batangelias@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi Everyone, > I may have the opportunity to acquire a 1969 MGC GT. I know the owner and he > has a TC and MGB in his garage also. He is turning 73 and says he has no time > to put the MGC together. The MGC has not been used for about 6 years because > the automatic transmission gave way. Most of the car is still in good order > and the body sound. > My questions are; May I swap a manual transmission while I work on the > automatic? Unlike the MGB, what is the parts availability like, considering > the MGC had a limited run? > I plan a show and go car a keeper too. > Thanks in advance, > > Martin > 65' MGB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 16 12:10:02 2008 From: "Dodd, Kelvin" To: "Martin C. Galan" , Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 11:10:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] (no subject) Martin: Finding a manual transmission and the rest of the bits necessary to do the conversion is going to be the hard part. Many owners have traded out from auto to manual, making availability pretty poor. The transmission is a Borg Warner type 35 and parts availability should be pretty good. It may be possible to upgrade to the later type 65, but I've not heard of anyone actually doing it. I've got a friend who is an auto box expert working on fitting a modern four speed auto box in place of a type 35 on a Rover P6B, but I'm not holding my breath for an easy swap. MGC specific parts are a bit tricky to find compared to the ease of getting MGB stuff. In the US the main problem is with the dual servo brake system. UK cars don't have this problem. King pin kits were tough to get for a while, but it looks like they are back again. The cars are getting a following finally, so parts availability is getting better. Kelvin 1969 MGC GT > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Martin C. Galan > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:57 PM > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] (no subject) > > Hi Everyone, > I may have the opportunity to acquire a 1969 MGC GT. I know > the owner and he has a TC and MGB in his garage also. He is > turning 73 and says he has no time to put the MGC together. > The MGC has not been used for about 6 years because the > automatic transmission gave way. Most of the car is still in > good order and the body sound. > My questions are; May I swap a manual transmission while I > work on the automatic? Unlike the MGB, what is the parts > availability like, considering the MGC had a limited run? > I plan a show and go car a keeper too. > Thanks in advance, > > Martin > 65' MGB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 16 14:33:25 2008 From: "Bob Donahue" To: "mgs" Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 16:31:52 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Help, I can't get my trunk/boot open The trunk/boot on my '71 B won't open. I have some valuables in there I need to get out. I may have overfilled it. What can I do????? Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) Email - bobmgtd@comcast.net Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 Member: NEMGTR #11470 NAMGBR # 7-3336 Hoosier MGB Club Olde Octagons of Indiana _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 16 15:03:22 2008 From: Dan DiBiase To: Bob Donahue , mgs Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 13:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Help, I can't get my trunk/boot open Bob, sometimes if you push down on the lid while pushing the button in, it will open. Failing that, you can get access to the mechanism by removing one of the backup light lenses. Then you get a wire coathanger and fish around. Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress... '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Donahue To: mgs Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 4:31:52 PM Subject: [Mgs] Help, I can't get my trunk/boot open The trunk/boot on my '71 B won't open. I have some valuables in there I need to get out. I may have overfilled it. What can I do????? Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) Email - bobmgtd@comcast.net Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 Member: NEMGTR #11470 NAMGBR # 7-3336 Hoosier MGB Club Olde Octagons of Indiana You are subscribed as d_dibiase@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 16 15:10:48 2008 From: "Councill, David" To: "Bob Donahue" , "mgs" Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:10:35 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Help, I can't get my trunk/boot open After this happened to me more than once (usually when it was warm or hot outside, always worked fine in cool weather), I was able to rotate the lock handle anti-clockwise maybe 1/4 turn. It may take a rap with a hammer but it does technically unscrew. Then drill a small hole with 1/8" drill bit right below the lock, at what might be called the six o'clock position. I think it needs to be maybe 1/4-1/3" below the lock assembly. The idea is that you can then push a nail or even the drill bit against the lock latch to push it open. Maybe someone else has done this? I suppose it works better after the boot is open so you can see exactly how it works. Once you have it drilled as such, next time it won't open, you can rotate the assembly to expose the hole and use a pin to push the latch open. When the lock assembly is back in place, the hole is concealed. Hope this makes enough sense... David Councill 67 BGT 72 B -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces+dcouncill=msubillings.edu@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces+dcouncill=msubillings.edu@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Donahue Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:32 PM To: mgs Subject: [Mgs] Help, I can't get my trunk/boot open The trunk/boot on my '71 B won't open. I have some valuables in there I need to get out. I may have overfilled it. What can I do????? Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) Email - bobmgtd@comcast.net Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 Member: NEMGTR #11470 NAMGBR # 7-3336 Hoosier MGB Club Olde Octagons of Indiana _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 16 15:23:47 2008 From: "Councill, David" To: "MG Mailing List" Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:23:39 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgs] back on the road About a month ago, I posted a question to the list which was not fully answered at the time. But I was looking to replace the CD player in my 72B as it tended to malfunction during hot days. I was looking ideally with something that not only fit but could take input from an iPod or a mp3 player. One person suggested Crutchfield but I couldn't find anything definitive there. I was hoping for some real experience where someone said they successfully installed a specific readily available cd player. I researched some on the Internet, procrastinated a few weeks, then Paul Root posted an email (below). I went ahead and ordered the same model JVC from Newegg and it is a good fit and is working great so far. During my research, I found the typical in dash cd player is 7" wide, 2" high, and 7" deep. What we need at least in the plastic dash/console models of the 1970s is something closer to a depth of 6". My Clarion was a shorter depth and the JVC model was also the same depth. Sometimes you can get the measurements before buying. I couldn't find the stats on the JVC but took Paul's word on it and tried it. I just have to figure out some of its many features. It still is a tight fit. It does press against the defrost hoses and will make checking my transmission oil a bit difficult though. David Councill 67 BGT 72 B -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: [Mgs] back on the road finally made time this weekend and got the heater installed and the dash put in. I found that once everything was buttoned up the dash, that I don't have the heater valve dial hooked up. Joy everything has to come back apart. Not today. In the mean time, I just have the valve all the way open. Took it for a bout a 30 minute drive this evening. Temperature stayed normal or less. So I'm satisfied that I've got enough coolant in it. I was concerned about getting the heater core filled back up, but it seems good. I put a new radio in, it's pretty nice. more power than the old one, and the unit is smaller and fits great. I can even get my hand in behind it. The nicest part is that the wires have a plug into the back, so you can get it out easily enough. It's a JVC KD-APD38 comes with an iPod cable. 50Wx4. I got it for $79. It's $99 right now from Newegg. I believe I'll be driving it into work tomorrow. About time we got some decent weather. Paul. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 16 15:52:20 2008 From: rolindsay@yahoo.com To: "Councill, David" , Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:52:35 +0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] back on the road So the overall message is, as I have said before, "Paul rules!". :-) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Councill, David" Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:23:39 To:"MG Mailing List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] back on the road About a month ago, I posted a question to the list which was not fully answered at the time. But I was looking to replace the CD player in my 72B as it tended to malfunction during hot days. I was looking ideally with something that not only fit but could take input from an iPod or a mp3 player. One person suggested Crutchfield but I couldn't find anything definitive there. I was hoping for some real experience where someone said they successfully installed a specific readily available cd player. I researched some on the Internet, procrastinated a few weeks, then Paul Root posted an email (below). I went ahead and ordered the same model JVC from Newegg and it is a good fit and is working great so far. During my research, I found the typical in dash cd player is 7" wide, 2" high, and 7" deep. What we need at least in the plastic dash/console models of the 1970s is something closer to a depth of 6". My Clarion was a shorter depth and the JVC model was also the same depth. Sometimes you can get the measurements before buying. I couldn't find the stats on the JVC but took Paul's word on it and tried it. I just have to figure out some of its many features. It still is a tight fit. It does press against the defrost hoses and will make checking my transmission oil a bit difficult though. David Councill 67 BGT 72 B -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: [Mgs] back on the road finally made time this weekend and got the heater installed and the dash put in. I found that once everything was buttoned up the dash, that I don't have the heater valve dial hooked up. Joy everything has to come back apart. Not today. In the mean time, I just have the valve all the way open. Took it for a bout a 30 minute drive this evening. Temperature stayed normal or less. So I'm satisfied that I've got enough coolant in it. I was concerned about getting the heater core filled back up, but it seems good. I put a new radio in, it's pretty nice. more power than the old one, and the unit is smaller and fits great. I can even get my hand in behind it. The nicest part is that the wires have a plug into the back, so you can get it out easily enough. It's a JVC KD-APD38 comes with an iPod cable. 50Wx4. I got it for $79. It's $99 right now from Newegg. I believe I'll be driving it into work tomorrow. About time we got some decent weather. Paul. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as rolindsay@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat May 17 21:04:21 2008 From: Paul Root To: "Councill, David" Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 21:13:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Help, I can't get my trunk/boot open I've done this as well. It's the easiest way to get at the lock. On May 16, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Councill, David wrote: > After this happened to me more than once (usually when it was warm or > hot outside, always worked fine in cool weather), I was able to rotate > the lock handle anti-clockwise maybe 1/4 turn. It may take a rap > with a > hammer but it does technically unscrew. Then drill a small hole with > 1/8" drill bit right below the lock, at what might be called the six > o'clock position. I think it needs to be maybe 1/4-1/3" below the lock > assembly. The idea is that you can then push a nail or even the drill > bit against the lock latch to push it open. Maybe someone else has > done > this? I suppose it works better after the boot is open so you can see > exactly how it works. Once you have it drilled as such, next time it > won't open, you can rotate the assembly to expose the hole and use a > pin > to push the latch open. When the lock assembly is back in place, the > hole is concealed. Hope this makes enough sense... > > David Councill > 67 BGT > 72 B > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces+dcouncill=msubillings.edu@autox.team.net > [mailto:mgs-bounces+dcouncill=msubillings.edu@autox.team.net] On > Behalf > Of Bob Donahue > Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:32 PM > To: mgs > Subject: [Mgs] Help, I can't get my trunk/boot open > > The trunk/boot on my '71 B won't open. I have some valuables in > there I > need > to get out. I may have overfilled it. What can I do????? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun May 18 08:05:03 2008 From: Robert Alan Reisse To: "Martin C. Galan" Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 09:27:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] (no subject) Hi, Along with the other problems mentioned, The hole for the shifter is in a different place. To do the conversion, you need to find a MGC gear box as the bell housing is unique to the MGC's even though the transmissions are the same. Also, I am not sure it the cranks or the flywheel are the same. Let's us know if there is anything else that you might need to know. I have two friends with MGC's, all are automatics. I think about half of the ones that are left are automatics, at least that is my impression from going to various shows. You might want to consider going to MG2008. The MGC convention is being held at the same time so you could meet up with quite a few examples. Bob Reisse 1969 MGC At 02:56 AM 5/16/2008, Martin C. Galan wrote: >Hi Everyone, > I may have the opportunity to acquire a 1969 MGC GT. I know the > owner and he has a TC and MGB in his garage also. He is turning 73 > and says he has no time to put the MGC together. The MGC has not > been used for about 6 years because the automatic transmission gave > way. Most of the car is still in good order and the body sound. > My questions are; May I swap a manual transmission while I work > on the automatic? Unlike the MGB, what is the parts availability > like, considering the MGC had a limited run? > I plan a show and go cara keeper too. >Thanks in advance, > >Martin >65' MGB >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >You are subscribed as rareisse@postoffice.worldnet.att.net > > >Mgs@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun May 18 09:04:01 2008 From: WSpohn4@aol.com To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 10:24:34 EDT Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGC The flywheel and clutch are quite different on the MGC, as well as the transmission casing as you pointed out. The internal gearbox ratios are also not the same as MGB Bill In a message dated 18/05/2008 7:05:43 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rareisse@postoffice.worldnet.att.net writes: To do the conversion, you need to find a MGC gear box as the bell housing is unique to the MGC's even though the transmissions are the same. Also, I am not sure it the cranks or the flywheel are the same. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon May 19 09:45:45 2008 From: Pete Groh To: ptrmgb@gmail.com Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 08:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] suggest, lock trunk MGB Paul Pete Groh, Ellicott City MD On your locked trunk, i get the digest version of the list. If still no access, can send you a ring of pre-cut FS keys, single sided keys. Will have to insert each key into the lock (the wafer/tabs may be worn) I assume you did have a key to work the lock, and now does not work. I have a ring of both FT and FS keys that I send to car owners when they have a locked glove box or trunk, and no key code number to refer to when cars is purchased or keys are lost. Main idea is to get the ring of keys back. Kind regards Pete Groh (KeyGuy) Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 21:13:24 -0500 From: Paul Root Subject: Re: [Mgs] Help, I can't get my trunk/boot open _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon May 19 13:43:16 2008 From: "Steinman, Bill" To: Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 15:39:50 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] To those in the DC area. Howdy all! Some friends and I in the DC area have been toying with the idea of putting together a loose confederation (let's NOT use the word "club") of LBC owners to get together from time to time. Sort of a "cars and coffee" type idea, followed perhaps by a drive in the area. Most of us are in the Bethesda-Chevy Chase-NW DC area, but that of course isn't essential. If you've got a MG and you're in the DC area, and wouldn't mind gathering with other LBC people on an informal basis -- like a Saturday morning in a supermarket or starbucks parking lot -- drop me an email! ************* Bill S. 2005 Lotus Elise 1968 Triumph TR-250 1968 MGC Tourer 1966 Austin Healey 3000 Mk III 1965 Sunbeam Tiger 1959 Austin Healey 3000 Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows... NOTICE: This communication may contain privileged or other confidential information. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon May 19 14:27:21 2008 From: atweditor@aol.com To: wsteinman@pogolaw.com, mgs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 16:27:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] To those in the DC area. Bill, Since I started flying gliders again my spare time for my MG hobby has been cut sharply.? However, keep me listed, as I do intend to reactivate at some point.? My car is drivable, and I'm in what I call North Silver Spring (north of Wheaton). Thanks, Jay Donoghue 72MGBGT 66 Mustang jayadonoghue@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Steinman, Bill To: mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 19 May 2008 3:39 pm Subject: [Mgs] To those in the DC area. Howdy all! Some friends and I in the DC area have been toying with the idea of putting together a loose confederation (let's NOT use the word "club") of LBC owners to get together from time to time. Sort of a "cars and coffee" type idea, followed perhaps by a drive in the area. Most of us are in the Bethesda-Chevy Chase-NW DC area, but that of course isn't essential. If you've got a MG and you're in the DC area, and wouldn't mind gathering with other LBC people on an informal basis -- like a Saturday morning in a supermarket or starbucks parking lot -- drop me an email! ************* Bill S. 2005 Lotus Elise 1968 Triumph TR-250 1968 MGC Tourer 1966 Austin Healey 3000 Mk III 1965 Sunbeam Tiger 1959 Austin Healey 3000 Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows... NOTICE: This communication may contain privileged or other confidential information. 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You are subscribed as atweditor@aol.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon May 19 14:53:33 2008 From: Bill Mills To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 16:53:47 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Re: [Mgs] suggest, lock trunk MGB John Twist posted a video on UTube and attempts to open the boot lock here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUA-OlW-nK0 Bill '74 'BGT with Sabrina overriders Raleigh, NC _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon May 19 17:47:21 2008 From: Paul Root To: Bill Mills Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 18:47:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] suggest, lock trunk MGB Drill a small hole under the bottom of the push button after a 1/8 turn to open up space, and then a drill bit or ice pick will open it in 10 seconds. On May 19, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Bill Mills wrote: > John Twist posted a video on UTube and attempts to open the boot > lock here: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUA-OlW-nK0 > > Bill > '74 'BGT with Sabrina overriders > Raleigh, NC > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ptrmgb@gmail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 20 12:21:26 2008 From: Barney Gaylord To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 13:21:20 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Attitude adjustment and GT-33 tech session For the latest installment of MGA body sill replacement (and body restoration), see here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/restore/rt628.htm The short of it is the body is in smooth primer, about to turn red again in the next few days. The pace of progress is quickening, planned to be back on the road within 4 weeks (6 weeks max). It has to be, because it has a driving appointment. A week ago I committed to getting the car to the NAMGAR GT-33 in western Pennsylvania in early July. I was then promptly drafted to present a tech session at the GT. It may be about two hours covering a wide variety of items on "Driveability". This will be heavily loaded toward reliability issues, so you can go anywhere any time and drive your MG with reckless abandon, fully confident that it will always get where it's going without problems. A few items on the agenda will be electrical connectors, ignition system, fuel system, cooling system, wire wheels and hub splines, periodic maintenance, and what tools or spare parts to carry for a road trip. For safety and performance I will touch on tires and suspension tweaks, mild engine mods, seat belts, roll bar, power cut-off, and how to avoid being run over. I will also cover some useful accessories, minor modifications and creature comforts, like trailer hitch, luggage rack, navigator's desk, gear ratio changes, cup holders (perish the thought), auxiliary lighting, relays, fuses, alternator, change of batteries and polarity, and installation of some electronic devices. We will likely run out of time before I run out of subject material, but there will be time for some Q&A during and after the tech session (and throughout the week whenever you can catch me). I am not going to stir up "who's going to the GT?" again. This is just to confirm that I will be there and will be happy to meet and greet and chat with anyone who happens to show up. I will also be arriving two days early to partake of the Twin Cam Golden Jubilee activities. At this time I do not intend to stay the following weekend for the vintage races (maybe). Side trips after the event are currently open to suggestion. As usual, I hope to meet as many MG enthusiasts at possible. Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 22 10:02:03 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "David Breneman" , Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 17:01:44 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust? It's that deja vu again ... ----- Original Message ----- ... he said it had something to do with corrosion ... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 22 10:03:13 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Hans Duinhoven" , Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 16:59:40 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust? I did 32 years in telecoms and that never came up, although the 'sacrificial anode' thing did. As I recall all the switching equipment used a +50v supply and hence a negative ground. I can't see how a length of copper wire would lose material with the current flowing in one direction but not the other. Even with contacts one gets a pit and the other a spike, reverse the direction and the pits and spike change places, but what do you gain? PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- ... I have been tought, that phone switching equipment like coils and solenoids should be operated with the ground connected to the positve power. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 23 03:08:01 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Bill Mills" , Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:00:04 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] suggest, lock trunk MGB Glad that wasn't my car he was clattering! I never could really see how you could hook a length of coat hanger wire through the reversing light aperture to open the boot lock, as it would have to be hooked round the top half of the pivoting latch and pull it towards the front of the car to be effective. Inserting it through a hole in the rear bulkhead maybe. Twist's method stands more chance, but the business end has to bear on the lower half of the pivoting latch and press it towards the rear of the car. Even though not much pressure is required where you have a straight push against the latch given the angles involved I don't think steady pressure through the reverse light hole would be enough. Hitting it using his tool may well work as he says, but I'm not surprised it can take an hour or more of trying to get lucky. Anyone with a GT can see for themselves what is involved by removing the cover plate and working from inside the car, as http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/wn_bodyframe.htm and clicking on 'Boot/Trunk Release' shows. As far as twisting the handle goes the both the body of the handle and the hole in the lid have flats to prevent it twisting any more than is necessary to allow insertion which only gives a few degrees normally, and not the 1/8th or 1/4 turn mentioned (YMMV). Nevertheless this can be enough to drill a small hole immediately below the body of the handle, which will be covered when the handle is twisted the other way, and will allow a pin to be inserted to press down on the upper half of the pivoting latch. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- John Twist posted a video on UTube and attempts to open the boot lock here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUA-OlW-nK0 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 23 05:27:50 2008 From: "Peter Chast" To: bmills46@earthlink.net, mgs@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 07:28:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] suggest, lock trunk MGB Hi, I've heard some involved fixes. I've managed to twist the handle also, but not without dammage. the paint or crome easily scratches.. First I find a helper. Keeping pressure on the handle to open and of course unlocked, I have my helper bounce on the trunk. First with just their hands in various places accross the width. Then once it was a small Lady helping. She sat on the trunk lid. It opened. Luck to you. Pete 2 midgets that need work. On Fri, 23 May 2008 05:00:04 -0400, Paul Hunt wrote: > > Glad that wasn't my car he was clattering! > > I never could really see how you could hook a length of coat hanger wire > through the reversing light aperture to open the boot lock, as it would > have > to be hooked round the top half of the pivoting latch and pull it > towards the > front of the car to be effective. Inserting it through a hole in the > rear > bulkhead maybe. Twist's method stands more chance, but the business end > has > to bear on the lower half of the pivoting latch and press it towards the > rear > of the car. Even though not much pressure is required where you have a > straight push against the latch given the angles involved I don't think > steady > pressure through the reverse light hole would be enough. Hitting it > using his > tool may well work as he says, but I'm not surprised it can take an hour > or > more of trying to get lucky. Anyone with a GT can see for themselves > what is > involved by removing the cover plate and working from inside the car, as > http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/wn_bodyframe.htm and clicking on 'Boot/Trunk > Release' shows. > > As far as twisting the handle goes the both the body of the handle and > the > hole in the lid have flats to prevent it twisting any more than is > necessary > to allow insertion which only gives a few degrees normally, and not the > 1/8th > or 1/4 turn mentioned (YMMV). Nevertheless this can be enough to drill a > small hole immediately below the body of the handle, which will be > covered > when the handle is twisted the other way, and will allow a pin to be > inserted > to press down on the upper half of the pivoting latch. > > PaulH. > ----- Original Message ----- > > > John Twist posted a video on UTube and attempts to open the boot lock > here: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUA-OlW-nK0 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as pchast@francomm.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 23 12:22:46 2008 From: Matthew Milkevitch To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] Timing curves for 123ignition Fellow Listers; For those of you using the 123ignition electronic distributor, what advance curves are you using? I have just acquired a unit, and I'm curious to what people are running. Thanks, Matt Milkevitch '74 BGT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 23 13:46:40 2008 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "Paul Hunt" , Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 21:46:14 +0200 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust? You gain, that the coils of solenoids and relais do not and will generate a higher resistence in time. When this happens, these devices will operate unreliable in time and faultfinding to such a failure is a nightmare I can tell! Modern electronic solutions are protected by a constant DC voltage / current protection. I have seen such devices connected to f.i. an electronic fuel pump installation at a car fuel station. It was called kathode protection. Cheers, Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Hunt To: Hans Duinhoven ; mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust? I did 32 years in telecoms and that never came up, although the 'sacrificial anode' thing did. As I recall all the switching equipment used a +50v supply and hence a negative ground. I can't see how a length of copper wire would lose material with the current flowing in one direction but not the other. Even with contacts one gets a pit and the other a spike, reverse the direction and the pits and spike change places, but what do you gain? PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- ... I have been tought, that phone switching equipment like coils and solenoids should be operated with the ground connected to the positve power. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat May 24 08:39:59 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Matthew Milkevitch" , Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 15:34:03 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Timing curves for 123ignition Which unit? There are at least two, one specified by the *manufacturer* for the MGB as it contains the original MGB curves, the other recommended by at least one supplier even though it contains different curves. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- For those of you using the 123ignition electronic distributor, what advance curves are you using? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat May 24 13:16:50 2008 From: Donald Laub To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 15:16:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Timing curves for 123ignition I had installed a Moss supercharger and a Sean Brown ported head on my 1969 MGB. I found that the advance curves on the stock replacement distributors didn't yield the expected performance, so I installed the 123GB4RV. I currently use curve 7, with 22 degrees advance at 2000 rpm, and 30 degrees maximum advance at 4500 rpm. The old B is quite zippy now. Do you have the 123GB4RV or the 123MG4RV? The latter has the original MG advance curves. And do you have a stock engine? Don Laub Burlington VT > ----- Original Message ----- > For those of you using the 123ignition electronic distributor, > what advance curves are you using? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun May 25 18:34:24 2008 From: "Ed's Shop" To: , Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 19:34:33 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Spridget 50th in UK!!! Even tho NOT BIG MGs I think you folks will be AMAZED!!!!! You folks will NOT believe this UK bunch of pics!!!!! UN-REAL!!!! *********************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Guy Weller To: midgetsprite@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 5:22 PM Subject: [midgetsprite] Spridget 50, UK A truely amazing event! I haven't uploaded my photos yet, but here are a couple of links to other's photos, just to give a taster of the day! http://mobiasstrip.com/Spridget50/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/25485888@N08/sets/72157605254647435/ Guy Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1465 - Release Date: 25/05/2008 13:22 __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (16) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Calendar Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 1New Members Visit Your Group Y! Sports for TV Access it for free Get Fantasy Sports stats on your TV. Yahoo! News Get it all here Breaking news to entertainment news Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. . __,_._,___ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun May 25 20:00:00 2008 From: "Oliver" To: , Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 20:52:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Spridget 50th in UK!!! what are those two red ones with the black top? looks like a kit car? a rebody of some kind? > > A truely amazing event! > I haven't uploaded my photos yet, but here are a couple of links to > other's > photos, just to give a taster of the day! > > http://mobiasstrip.com/Spridget50/index.html > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/25485888@N08/sets/72157605254647435/ > > Guy > > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1465 - Release Date: > 25/05/2008 > 13:22 > > > > __._,_.___ > Messages in this topic (16) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Calendar > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! 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Finance > It's Now Personal > > Guides, news, > > advice & more. > . > __,_._,___ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as sumton@sbcglobal.net > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon May 26 07:54:53 2008 From: "James Kleemeyer" To: , Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 08:54:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Spridget 50th in UK!!! That's an Arkley body kit, if I'm not mistaken. Jim From: "Oliver" > what are those two red ones with the black top? looks like a kit car? a > rebody of some kind? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 27 10:07:23 2008 From: Paul Osborne To: "Paul Hunt" Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 12:06:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust? Here in the north east USA everything rusts, that said, positive -negative ground, have never seen that it makes a difference. Mentioned this to a few of my collages the other day, none believe in it, like the magnets taped on the fuel line give you better fuel economy. -- Paul Osborne University of Rochester Engineering & Technical Services Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering 201 Hopeman Bldg River Campus Rochester, New York 14627 585-275-5226 paul@ece.rochester.edu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 27 10:25:11 2008 From: "Keith G." To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 12:25:27 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] How to bleed master cylinder? My '79 B (with boosted brakes and the brake pressure sensor) needs its rear brake circuit bled. After not making any progress with it, I traced the problem back to the master cylinder. When pumping the brake pedal no fluid comes out of that port on the master cylinder. Do I need to do anything special to bleed the master cylinder? The normal brake bleeding procedure, which has always been relatively easy on this car and not very time-consuming, has not worked at all this time. That's what led me back to the master cylinder. The front brake circuit appears to be free of air, but the rears are giving me a fit. -- Keith G. 1979 B _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 27 13:13:05 2008 From: Joseph Cianciotti To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:02:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mgs] Intermittent horn I have a recurring problem with my MG's horn. Yesterday, it worked and then didn't, then did again. I've tried to isolate the conditions. And typically it seems like it works when the car is driving, but rarely when it's idling and never when the car isn't running. In the non-working situations, I get an anemic sound or nothing at all. I have an alternator so my electrical power is consistent. And in the past, I've replaced the horns with new ones to no effect. Any suggestions? Thanks, Joseph '67 MGB Roadster _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue May 27 13:25:22 2008 From: The Roxter To: Joseph Cianciotti Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:25:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Intermittent horn Joseph Cianciotti wrote: > I have a recurring problem with my MG's horn. Yesterday, it worked and then > didn't, then did again. I've tried to isolate the conditions. And typically it > seems like it works when the car is driving, but rarely when it's idling and > never when the car isn't running. In the non-working situations, I get an anemic > sound or nothing at all. I have an alternator so my electrical power is > consistent. And in the past, I've replaced the horns with new ones to no effect. > Any suggestions? Thanks, It may be a less than optimum contact at the horn button, so that it works when the vibrations associated with running and driving are present, but not when all is at rest. Try cleaning the contacts. -The Roxter -- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed May 28 01:54:15 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:41:23 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust? Depends which way round you have the magnets and which way you are travelling ... ----- Original Message ----- Mentioned this to a few of my collages the other day, none believe in it, like the magnets taped on the fuel line give you better fuel economy. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed May 28 02:09:18 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Joseph Cianciotti" , Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:55:26 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Intermittent horn Sounds like bad connections, so that when the voltage is lower when idling or stopped there isn't enough power. Your horns should have 2 terminals - one with purple wires (the fused 12v supply) and the other with purple/black (the ground from the button). Connect a voltmeter between ground and purple on the right-hand (facing forwards) horn and you should see battery voltage. Press the horn button and the horns should sound and the voltage drop only slightly. If it drops several volts and the horns don't sound then there is a bad connection back towards the fusebox, probably in the fusebox itself where the fuse to the holder, the riveted connection between the holder and the spades on the back, the wire connectors to the spades, and even inside the fuse itself can all develop bad connections. When you have a good 12v supply to the horns connect the meter between ground and the purple/black. This should also show 12v with the button released, but should show zero volts with it pressed. If this doesn't drop to zero there is a bad connection back towards the horn button through the steering wheel brush, steering wheel (several connections), the horn button, the steering column inner, column outer, front cross-member to the body. Even if it isn't a 'fixed' bad connection but an intermittent as has been suggested it should be easy enough to track down if they don't work with the engine switched off. My V8 had a couple of these 'fixed' bad connections so much so that the PO had fitted what looked like a scooter horn, which hardly sounded appropriate for a V8. Because the problems were inside the column (not uncommon on rubber bumper cars it seems) and the after-market button I opted to add a relay, which takes much less current than the horns and is unaffected by the bad connections. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- ... And typically it seems like it works when the car is driving, but rarely when it's idling and never when the car isn't running. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed May 28 02:09:33 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Keith G." , Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:59:36 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] How to bleed master cylinder? With a dual-circuit system I don't see how you can bleed with the pedal unless both circuits have an open bleed nipple, as the pressure from one circuit will prevent the pedal from moving far enough to bleed the other properly. Try constant pressure bleeding like the EeziBleed, or opening both circuits, but then you would probably need Speedbleeders for that. having said that it wasn't long ago that someone had a similar problem and it turned out to be defects inside the master. And if no fluid at all comes out of that port with the pipe disconnected, then it does look like a problem inside the master. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- My '79 B (with boosted brakes and the brake pressure sensor) needs its rear brake circuit bled. After not making any progress with it, I traced the problem back to the master cylinder. When pumping the brake pedal no fluid comes out of that port on the master cylinder. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 29 04:59:22 2008 From: Malcolm Jeffcock To: Batans List Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 07:59:07 -0300 Subject: [Mgs] Performace queery I have a 74B. It has a strong pulling high compression engine but lately I have experienced a quirky thing: I can, if I chose accelerate smoothly up to about 5K revs in every gear-I have done it only after experiencing what I am about to describe as my trouble. If I am on the highway with OD engaged cruising around 3500RPM's if is start to accelerate I experience a loss of power, the car hesitates and only when I take my foot off the gas and let the revs drop can I then accelerate-but only to about3600 RPM. Also if I am cruising along at 3500 with no hesitation and come to an incline the same symptom of power loss is experienced and right after it if I pull off and go from a stop I can shift up at high revs with no hesitation as I work through the gears! I am pondering the issue before taking action, have thought maybe condenser....any thoughts and suggestions? Thanks, Malcolm _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 29 06:04:28 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Malcolm Jeffcock" Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 13:02:07 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Performace queery Could be ignition, under acceleration and higher combustion chamber pressures the plugs are harder to fire, so the HT voltage goes up higher on significant acceleration compared to gradual acceleration, and the HT system could be breaking down like leads, cap, rotor etc. My daughters car had this and I diagnosed it by clipping a timing light onto each coil lead and the plug lead and sharply opening the throttle, which was enough to induce the misfire. I immediately saw that while the coil lead caused the light to flash exactly as before, on the plug leads it became erratic and inconsistent with the misfire. New cap and rotor solved the problem. If the flashing gets erratic on the coil lead as well then it could be the coil or ignition LT circuit. Most problems in the ignition LT cause the tach to flicker as well, but possibly not the condenser. It could also be carburation. If you can accelerate smoothly all the way up on a gradual throttle but get hesitation with a larger throttle opening, that sounds to me like a flat or weak spot in the carburation. If you get this after changing things on the engine it could be you have the wrong profile needle i.e. need a 'richer' needle at that position of the piston. But if it has suddenly started without you changing anything it could be a vacuum leak or the carbs out of tune. A vacuum leak would normally give you a higher idle at a given idle screw setting, so if that is not the case you should be able to ignore that. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- I can, if I chose accelerate smoothly up to about 5K revs in every gear-I have done it only after experiencing what I am about to describe as my trouble. If I am on the highway with OD engaged cruising around 3500RPM's if is start to accelerate I experience a loss of power, the car hesitates and only when I take my foot off the gas and let the revs drop can I then accelerate-but only to about3600 RPM. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 29 09:49:42 2008 From: The Roxter To: Malcolm Jeffcock Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:48:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Performace queery Malcolm Jeffcock wrote: > I have a 74B. It has a strong pulling high compression engine but lately I have experienced a quirky thing: I can, if I chose accelerate smoothly up to about 5K revs in every gear-I have done it only after experiencing what I am about to describe as my trouble. If I am on the highway with OD engaged cruising around 3500RPM's if is start to accelerate I experience a loss of power, the car hesitates and only when I take my foot off the gas and let the revs drop can I then accelerate-but only to about3600 RPM. Also if I am cruising along at 3500 with no hesitation and come to an incline the same symptom of power loss is experienced and right after it if I pull off and go from a stop I can shift up at high revs with no hesitation as I work through the gears! > > I am pondering the issue before taking action, have thought maybe condenser....any thoughts and suggestions? Those symptoms can be cause by high-voltage breakdown, which is loss of power because of losses in the low-voltage side of the ignition circuit or the coil. There's a point where the high-voltage is not enough to fire the plugs. Acceleration or climbing a hill can require more voltage than is available. -The Roxter -- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 29 10:11:37 2008 From: Steve To: "The Roxter" Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 12:11:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Performace queery wouldn't that lite the dash indicator? On 5/29/08, The Roxter wrote: > Malcolm Jeffcock wrote: > > I have a 74B. It has a strong pulling high compression engine but lately I have experienced a quirky thing: I can, if I chose accelerate smoothly up to about 5K revs in every gear-I have done it only after experiencing what I am about to describe as my trouble. If I am on the highway with OD engaged cruising around 3500RPM's if is start to accelerate I experience a loss of power, the car hesitates and only when I take my foot off the gas and let the revs drop can I then accelerate-but only to about3600 RPM. Also if I am cruising along at 3500 with no hesitation and come to an incline the same symptom of power loss is experienced and right after it if I pull off and go from a stop I can shift up at high revs with no hesitation as I work through the gears! > > > > I am pondering the issue before taking action, have thought maybe condenser....any thoughts and suggestions? > Those symptoms can be cause by high-voltage breakdown, which is loss of power because of losses in the low-voltage side of the ignition circuit or the coil. There's a point where the high-voltage is not enough to fire the plugs. Acceleration or climbing a hill can require more voltage than is available. > > -The Roxter > -- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as temporarilyoffline@gmail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 29 11:41:14 2008 From: The Roxter To: Steve Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 12:41:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Performace queery Steve wrote: > wouldn't that lite the dash indicator? Not necessarily; at least that has been my experience. -The Roxter -- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 29 11:43:02 2008 From: The Roxter To: Richard Ewald Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 12:43:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Performace queery Richard Ewald wrote: > A problem such as this can be caused by several things. Paul > mentioned misfire and high voltage break down. This is a strong > possibility. Your B probably needs about 10-12K volts to fire the > plug at idle. Open the throttle and it might take up to 20K volts. > If your car's plug wires start firing to ground at 15K volts it will > run fine at idle, and low throttle openings. A large throttle opening > will cause the engine to misfire and no acceleration. > A low output from the coil could also cause this. If there is not > enough voltage going into the coil due to poor connections this could > show up. It could be a bad coil, but honestly, these are real rare. > Coils almost never go bad. > These are just some of the reasons that back in the day tune up shops > had O-scopes in them. About 30 seconds on a scope and I could nail > the problem. > I very seriously doubt it is a vacuum leak. As a percentage of total > air going into the engine a vacuum leak is greatest at idle. A vacuum > leak having an effect at 3500 RPM would require a huge leak, and I > doubt the engine would idle. > Stuck carb pistons could cause such an issue, but I would look at the > electrical stuff first. Another possibility would be a clogged fuel filter or weak fuel pump. -The Roxter -- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 29 12:12:05 2008 From: dave@camptownshakers.com To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Performace queery > From: The Roxter > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Performace queery > Another possibility would be a clogged fuel filter or weak fuel pump. That's where I'd spend my time looking: fuel delivery. Dave Culgan '66 MGB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 29 15:15:08 2008 From: "Stuart MacMillan" To: , Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:12:59 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Performance query Boy, I've had this happen over the years, and here is what I'd check, easiest first: Incorrect or carbon tracked distributor cap Other bad ignition components (coil, points, wires etc., swap one at a time from your spares collection. You do have a spares collection, don't you?) Bad fuel pump (measure the flow) Timing too advanced. Bad gas (this just happened here in Seattle at some Shell stations last week: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/364645_gasupdate27.html ) Partially plugged fuel pick up in tank (from a disintegrated hose used by a gas thief back during the last oil shortage) And probably more. The worst one to find was the hose in the tank. We could drive for miles, and then all of a sudden the car would stumble, and then die. Wait a few minutes, and it would start and run fine for several miles. Drove me nuts for six months. Finally pulled the tank because I'd replaced everything else, and when we cut it open we found swollen globs of surgical tubing all over the bottom of the tank. With long trips, hese would eventually clog the pick up screen. After a few minutes rest, some would drop off and you could run again until the next time. Absolutely the worst intermittent problem I've ever solved. Also, I finally replaced the coil (20 year old Lucas Hi Performance) after another intermittent problem. When it heated up on long drives, the voltage dropped and the car would stumble. When you stopped, heat soak prevented starting at all for about an hour. I replaced everything else over about two years, (Including a perfectly good Pertronix ignition, which I highly recommend) before I was left with only the coil as the cause of the problem. Duh. I've never had one go bad in 40 years. But it was a Lucas.... Stuart MacMillan '65 MGB ----- Original Message ----- I can, if I chose accelerate smoothly up to about 5K revs in every gear-I have done it only after experiencing what I am about to describe as my trouble. If I am on the highway with OD engaged cruising around 3500RPM's if is start to accelerate I experience a loss of power, the car hesitates and only when I take my foot off the gas and let the revs drop can I then accelerate-but only to about3600 RPM. _____________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 29 17:26:29 2008 From: "Blair J. Weiss" To: Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 19:26:44 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] 78 B Running after the key is out of the ignition Folks - Well the $4.89 / gallon diesel is forcing me to commute in my B :) twist my arm... Something I am noticing is, the car will not turn off all the time. I pull up to a parking spot, turn off the key and the car is still running. I know the difference between running and running on, from pre-detonation, that's not it. I seem to remember something about a valve that is supposed to shut down the motor with the iginition, that often fails... am I making this up? A link would be helpful. Thanks, Blair 78B 53 TD _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 29 18:52:17 2008 From: "Bob Donahue" To: "mgs" Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 20:52:30 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Performace queery I had a clogged fuel line to the front carb that acted some what like that. The symptom only appeared under high throttle demand (like going up a hill). Under high throttle, the partially blocked carb would run out of fuel. There was enough fuel getting past the clog for regular cruising. The way I found the problem was pushing the float pins down. The tick-tick sound of the fuel pump was much slower on the clogged carb. Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) Email - bobmgtd@comcast.net Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 Member: NEMGTR #11470 NAMGBR # 7-3336 Hoosier MGB Club Olde Octagons of Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Roxter" To: "Richard Ewald" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Performace queery > Richard Ewald wrote: >> A problem such as this can be caused by several things. Paul >> mentioned misfire and high voltage break down. This is a strong >> possibility. Your B probably needs about 10-12K volts to fire the >> plug at idle. Open the throttle and it might take up to 20K volts. >> If your car's plug wires start firing to ground at 15K volts it will >> run fine at idle, and low throttle openings. A large throttle opening >> will cause the engine to misfire and no acceleration. >> A low output from the coil could also cause this. If there is not >> enough voltage going into the coil due to poor connections this could >> show up. It could be a bad coil, but honestly, these are real rare. >> Coils almost never go bad. >> These are just some of the reasons that back in the day tune up shops >> had O-scopes in them. About 30 seconds on a scope and I could nail >> the problem. >> I very seriously doubt it is a vacuum leak. As a percentage of total >> air going into the engine a vacuum leak is greatest at idle. A vacuum >> leak having an effect at 3500 RPM would require a huge leak, and I >> doubt the engine would idle. >> Stuck carb pistons could cause such an issue, but I would look at the >> electrical stuff first. > Another possibility would be a clogged fuel filter or weak fuel pump. > > -The Roxter > -- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as bobmgtd@comcast.net > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 29 19:14:55 2008 From: Barney Gaylord To: "Blair J. Weiss" , Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 20:15:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 78 B Running after the key is out of the ignition At 07:26 PM 5/29/2008 -0400, Blair J. Weiss wrote: >.... >.... turn off the key and the car is still running. I know .... >pre-detonation, that's not it. I seem to remember something about a >valve that is supposed to shut down the motor with the iginition, >that often fails... am I making this up? > >A link would be helpful. >.... Try these links: Continued running: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/ro102.htm Anti-run-on valve: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/ro201.htm Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu May 29 20:01:14 2008 From: "Blair J. Weiss" To: , "Barney Gaylord" Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:01:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 78 B Running after the key is out of the ignition Thanks Barney! I knew I read it somewhere... Blair ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barney Gaylord" To: "Blair J. Weiss" ; Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] 78 B Running after the key is out of the ignition > At 07:26 PM 5/29/2008 -0400, Blair J. Weiss wrote: >>.... >>.... turn off the key and the car is still running. I know .... >>pre-detonation, that's not it. I seem to remember something about a >>valve that is supposed to shut down the motor with the iginition, >>that often fails... am I making this up? >> >>A link would be helpful. >>.... > > Try these links: > Continued running: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/ro102.htm > Anti-run-on valve: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/ro201.htm > > Barney Gaylord > 1958 MGA with an attitude > http://MGAguru.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 30 02:21:58 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Steve" , "The Roxter" Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:02:36 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Performace queery The only thing that will cause the ignition warning light to glow is when the 12v ignition supply from the ignition switch is lost when the forward momentum of the car is still spinning the engine, and that will also cause the tach to drop. In the event of sudden loss of power looking at the tach is the first diagnosis, at the warning light second. A short-circuit condenser will affect the tach but not the light. An open-circuit condenser won't affect either. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- wouldn't that lite the dash indicator? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 30 03:07:21 2008 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Blair J. Weiss" , Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:54:14 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 78 B Running after the key is out of the ignition North American MGBs with the ignition relay i.e. 77 and later rely on a functioning anti-runon valve to shut down the engine by starving it of fuel as a wiring design error results in voltage still being supplied to the ignition system when the key has been turned off. Any defects in the operation of the valve or pretty-well anywhere in the emissions plumbing (blockages or leaks) can cause this to happen. UK cars don't suffer from it as they never had the anti-runon system, the wiring error was discovered immediately and corrected, but only on those cars. The factory cure was to move the feed to the ignition system from the output of the ignition relay (i.e. its contact) to its winding, *and* move the feed to the ignition warning light from the relay winding to its contact, i.e. swap the two wires over. In theory either should have done the trick, it's much easier to move the ignition feed wire as that is only a matter of a couple of inches - once you have identified the wire. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Something I am noticing is, the car will not turn off all the time. I pull up to a parking spot, turn off the key and the car is still running. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 30 12:38:00 2008 From: Dan DiBiase To: mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com, MG List Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] Engine Replacement Ok, I am going to plan B with my engine work that has been going on for 9 months or so..... ;-) I've located a good used engine from a '75 B and am going to purchase it. My questions are - 1) Engine mounts - what parts do I need to replace? Just the rubber pieces, or the entire thing? 2) Anything that needs to be replaced in terms of clutch parts? The clutch and transmission were working fine. I plan to degrease the outside of the transmission. And engine oil in the transmission, right? Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress... '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri May 30 17:25:17 2008 From: oliver To: MG List Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 16:19:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Engine Replacement its a good time to replace the clutch, throwout bearing, and pilot bearing. Dan DiBiase wrote: Ok, I am going to plan B with my engine work that has been going on for 9 months or so..... ;-) I've located a good used engine from a '75 B and am going to purchase it. My questions are - 1) Engine mounts - what parts do I need to replace? Just the rubber pieces, or the entire thing? 2) Anything that needs to be replaced in terms of clutch parts? The clutch and transmission were working fine. I plan to degrease the outside of the transmission. And engine oil in the transmission, right? Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress... '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... NAMGBR #5-2328 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat May 31 09:09:56 2008 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "Dan DiBiase" , , "MG Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 17:09:57 +0200 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Engine Replacement As you mention degreasing it is worth considering: replace both engine and gearbox seals check and perhaps replace the gearbox mounting rubber blocks. Oil detoriates the rubber and now you're there with easily access a check is worth everything. Been there. Good luck. Cheers, Hans 71 BGT with original 18GK engine in overhaul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan DiBiase" To: ; "MG List" Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 8:03 PM Subject: [Mgs] Engine Replacement > Ok, I am going to plan B with my engine work that has been going on for > 9 months or so..... ;-) I've located a good used engine from a '75 B > and am going to purchase it. My questions are - > > 1) Engine mounts - what parts do I need to replace? Just the rubber > pieces, or the entire thing? > > 2) > Anything that needs to be replaced in terms of clutch parts? The clutch > and transmission were working fine. I plan to degrease > the outside of the transmission. And engine oil in the transmission, > right? > Dan D > Central NJ USA > '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress... > '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... > NAMGBR #5-2328 > http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ > http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as h.duinhoven@planet.nl > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1476 - Release Date: 31-5-2008 > 12:25 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat May 31 12:08:18 2008 From: "Valda and Merl Rosenthal" To: "Hans Duinhoven" , "Dan DiBiase" Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 11:20:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Engine Replacement I agree. Now is the time to change both the transmission and motor mounts. In addition, I would look at the replacement engine and change the timing cover, pan, and tappet covers gaskets also. These gaskets are relatively cheap and easy to get at. Merl Rosenthal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "Dan DiBiase" ; ; "MGList" Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Engine Replacement > As you mention degreasing it is worth considering: > replace both engine and gearbox seals > check and perhaps replace the gearbox mounting rubber blocks. Oil > detoriates > the rubber and now you're there with easily access a check is worth > everything. > > Been there. > > Good luck. > > Cheers, > Hans > 71 BGT with original 18GK engine in overhaul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan DiBiase" > To: ; "MG List" > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 8:03 PM > Subject: [Mgs] Engine Replacement > > >> Ok, I am going to plan B with my engine work that has been going on for >> 9 months or so..... ;-) I've located a good used engine from a '75 B >> and am going to purchase it. My questions are - >> >> 1) Engine mounts - what parts do I need to replace? Just the rubber >> pieces, or the entire thing? >> >> 2) >> Anything that needs to be replaced in terms of clutch parts? The clutch >> and transmission were working fine. I plan to degrease >> the outside of the transmission. And engine oil in the transmission, >> right? >> Dan D >> Central NJ USA >> '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress... >> '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... >> NAMGBR #5-2328 >> http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ >> http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ >> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> You are subscribed as h.duinhoven@planet.nl >> >> >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1476 - Release Date: >> 31-5-2008 >> 12:25 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as mvrose@charter.net > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive