From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 31 08:48:36 2009 From: "J. F. Juhas" To: "Lambdin, Mike" Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 10:49:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1500 specs What specs are looking for? The shop manual is quite detailed with various measurements and clearances. I just rebuilt a couple MGA engines and that was my primary guide, supplemented by experienced advice from the machine shop I used. Lambdin, Mike wrote: > I'm about to start rebuilding the 1500 engine of my '59 A. However, I have no > technical specs to go by. Can anyone direct me as to where I can find this > information? I've already, unsuccessfully, searched the internet. > > Any help is greatly appreciated. > > Thanks. > > Mike Lambdin > mlambdin@towson.edu > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as james.f.juhas@snet.net > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 1 00:12:12 2009 From: Mike Janacek To: oliver Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 02:04:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] title question connecticut From the CT DMV site: http://www.ct.gov/dmv/cwp/view.asp?a=816&Q=244698&dmvPNavCtr=|#30286 Note the last paragraph. Mike '79B From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 1 03:57:03 2009 From: Jack Feldman To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 04:45:00 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Alamo Beige May Be OK Robert, I have two cars that I thought were ugly colors. When the MG came back with it's Teal Blue all shiny and bright I decided I was wrong. I had seen pictures of a Colorado Red over Black Healey 3000, and didn't think I liked it. Once again, when I saw the results I thought it was the greatest color combination of any Healey. Give it a try, not everyone can boast of an Alamo Beige car! Jack 72 MG:GT Teal Blue 69 MGC Tartan Red 60 Healey 3000 Colorado Red/Black Love all three colors. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 1 08:14:16 2009 From: "Craig Tufty" To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 13:51:10 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] Help in Chicago? Hello Group: On my journey to Chicago from Alexandria, Virginia mid morning on 7/30/09 I blew a tire on my 72 B (completely destroyed the tire / the wire wheel is fine, {spare tire image attached}) just East of Alexandria, Indiana. I had a spare and have replaced the blown tire. I made it to Glen Ellyn, Illinois without any further complications. Whew! My question is this: Does anyone know of a good source for a spare tire in and around Glenn Ellyn? I plan on being at a friends place all weekend Friday - Sunday (for a 2 day soiree that 5 of my HS buddies and I engage in every year). I will, hopefully, be driving back home (Alexandria, Virginia) on this coming Sunday or Monday depending on whether or not I can round up a spare. Any help would be greatly appreciated! If you do attempt to contact me, please try email first. Stick shifts are tough to negotiate when your right hand is holding a cell! Thanks. Craig Tufty 2301 Cheshire Lane Alexandria, Virginia 22307 703-765-0488 (cell) 703-765-4686 Sent via BlackBerry by Craig _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 1 08:42:43 2009 From: David Breneman To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 07:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Alamo Beige MGA --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Robert J. Guinness wrote: > Although I admit I am > aesthetically challenged, Alamo Beige seems to be less than > attractive. Does a modern repaint of the color make it > more appealing? Does the refreshed color have copper tones > in it, rather than the brown eggshell look of the faded > paint I have under the existing paint? It looks like stucco. The kind of orangey stucco houses in Arizona are finished in. It does not look coppery at all. It's a very bright color, not like brown eggshell at all. It's unusual, but not unattractive. And it is very difficult to reproduce accurately in a photograph (heck, even my glacier blue car is hard to reproduce). If I had a car that was originally alamo beige, I would definitely repaint it that color. It's extremely rare and would be the focus of attention at any get-together of MGA owners. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 1 08:43:38 2009 From: David Breneman To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 07:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Alamo Beige MGA --- On Fri, 7/31/09, David F. Darby wrote: > IMHO, of all the unfortunate colors that BMC concocted (and > there were a > host of them) Alamo Beige is the most exponentially > nauseating, unfortunate > one of all. If you really like it, go for it, but again, > just an opinion, I > would choose any color from the BMC palette except that > one. You're got to keep in mind the historical context. In the 1950s, synthetic dyes were finally coming into their own. After decades of dark, non-aggressive colors, suddenly any shade under the sun could be reproduced in bright, relatively fade-free tones that seemed to radiate from the paint or ink, not draw light into it. This bright colorfulness is a foundation of 1950s design. Why were turquoise shades so popular in the 50s? Because for the first time, they could be *done*. Not the pale turquoise of the deco era, but the bright in-your-face turquoise associated with colors like glacier blue. The MGA is a historic car. It reflects the design idioms of its age. Bright, unusual colors are part of that. Alamo beige was one of those new, experimental colors. Even dove gray is a "bright" gray. That's part of the MGA's historical significance. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 1 11:58:36 2009 From: Kim Tonry To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 12:35:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Alamo Beige MGA I haven't seen Dan Zurawski or his MGA in about 15 years. He isn't listed in the current Chicagoland MG Club directory or e-mail address list. Last listing in the club I can find for him is in a 1993 directory showing a Libertyville address. It's not that bad a color, certainly not one you see very often. But keep in mind I had a Limeflower GT so maybe my color fashion sense isn't all that great. Kim Tonry Downers Grove, Illinois, U.S.A. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 1 13:30:03 2009 From: Justbrits To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 14:09:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 27, Issue 1 <> Totally agree, David. The Alamo Beige is to MGA as is Nevada Beige for Bugeyes in that these days they are both VERY rare colours!! Couple years back when I discovered a local N.B. Bugeye I got on a mission (still ongoing) to 'locate' the cars. The BEST that I and an Original owner in CA could come up with was SEVEN known and proven via BMIHT Certs. with one more as possible. The chap in CA has told me his car (which will get pried from his cold dead hands) IS valved at $8 to $10k over other Gold Level Concours cars !?!?! Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 1 13:30:39 2009 From: Justbrits To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 14:11:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 27, Issue 1 All, I have been in contact with Craig T. for his type probs which will be resolved Monday. Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 1 15:14:38 2009 From: oliver To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 13:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] fuel pump label i have what appears to be an "original replacement" fuel pump. the label on it, which says that, has come off. it goes around the pump and back onto itself. i'd like to put it back on. any suggestions? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 1 17:02:41 2009 From: David Woerpel To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 17:42:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Alamo Beige MGA There is, however, an Alamo Beige that appears at Elkhart Lake as a spectator regularly. It is well used (as these cars should be) and I believe from IL. I like the rare color. Dave Woerpel 59 :{) Leaf Green 59 MGA 1500 rdstr O.E.W. Burlington WI Kim Tonry wrote: > I haven't seen Dan Zurawski or his MGA in about 15 years. He isn't listed in > the current Chicagoland MG Club directory or e-mail address list. Last > listing in the club I can find for him is in a 1993 directory showing a > Libertyville address. It's not that bad a color, certainly not one you see > very often. But keep in mind I had a Limeflower GT so maybe my color fashion > sense isn't all that great. > Kim Tonry > Downers Grove, Illinois, U.S.A. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 1 17:17:26 2009 From: Max Heim To: MG List Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:47:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] fuel pump label Spray adhesive? on 8/1/09 1:48 PM, oliver at sumton@sbcglobal.net wrote: > i have what appears to be an "original replacement" fuel pump. the label on > it, which says that, has come off. it goes around the pump and back onto > itself. i'd like to put it back on. > > any suggestions? -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 1 17:46:43 2009 From: "Rick Brown" To: Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:25:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Alamo Beige MGA My car GHNL 91651 was origianally Alamo Beige - it was OSHA Yellow when I purchased it and is now BRG. A couple of years ago at the Virginia GT there was a completly restored AB car (actually GHNL 91652 - one number off from mine) I have pics of it somewhere on a disc - will try and locate them. The car took best in show at that GT. There was another completely original car down to the paint at last years GT or perhaps the year before which I believe took first in the 1600 class. So as ugly as the colour is - it does draw attention as it is so rare.\ Rick Webmaster for: http://www.mgcars.org.uk/namgbr - The North American MGB Register http://www.mgcars.org.uk/mgcouncil - North American Council of MG Registers http://www.mgcars.org.uk/amgcr - American MGC Register http://www.flamemini.net - Florida mini Enthusiasts http://www.britishcarclub.net - Nature Coast English Car Club and The Suncoast Classic MG Club ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Tonry" To: Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 13:35 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Alamo Beige MGA >I haven't seen Dan Zurawski or his MGA in about 15 years. He isn't listed >in > the current Chicagoland MG Club directory or e-mail address list. Last > listing in the club I can find for him is in a 1993 directory showing a > Libertyville address. It's not that bad a color, certainly not one you see > very often. But keep in mind I had a Limeflower GT so maybe my color > fashion > sense isn't all that great. > Kim Tonry > Downers Grove, Illinois, U.S.A. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as mgrick@mgcars.org.uk > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 2 07:06:13 2009 From: Charles & Peggy Robinson To: Larry Daniels Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 07:49:41 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Google 411 Information Nothing is free. It takes minutes off my phone. CR Larry Daniels wrote: > Google has come out with a free 411 phone information service. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 2 10:07:39 2009 From: "David F. Darby" To: Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:40:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Alamo Beige MGA David, That's an excellent observation, and you make a very good point. Color choice is really subjective, that's why we have so many options, so I won't belabor the issue. I just wouldn't want to spend my hard-earned on a color so far out of my comfort zone. Cheers, David -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Breneman Subject: Re: [Mgs] Alamo Beige MGA > on Saturday, August 01, 2009 David Breneman wrote: > You're got to keep in mind the historical context. In the 1950s, synthetic dyes were finally coming into their own. After decades of dark, non-aggressive colors, suddenly any shade under the sun could be reproduced in bright, relatively fade-free tones that seemed to radiate from the paint or ink, not draw light into it. This bright colorfulness is a foundation of 1950s design. Why were turquoise shades so popular in the 50s? Because for the first time, they could be *done*. Not the pale turquoise of the deco era, but the bright in-your-face turquoise associated with colors like glacier blue. The MGA is a historic car. It reflects the design idioms of its age. Bright, unusual colors are part of that. Alamo beige was one of those new, experimental colors. Even dove gray is a "bright" gray. That's part of the MGA's historical significance. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 2 13:29:02 2009 From: Jim Tinkham To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:46:14 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] New Coat I know some will object, but we didn't need/want 2 Mineral Blue MGs. The B came to us as an older restoration in a very nice Mineral Blue coat. This, for us, settled the discussion "original colour or something different". You can see what prevailed in the discussion. This is a PPG match to Black Tulip plus we added a "tatoo" to her hip... Tink 69 CGT 66 B 60 Bugeye http://s690.photobucket.com/albums/vv270/jltinkham/? action=view¤t=20090802_0317.jpg http://s690.photobucket.com/albums/vv270/jltinkham/? action=view¤t=20090802_0303.jpg http://s690.photobucket.com/albums/vv270/jltinkham/? action=view¤t=20090802_0300.jpg _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 2 13:29:12 2009 From: Jim Tinkham To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:48:49 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Stance question I've finally reached the point of putting things together instead of taking them apart. Just got the body back from paint. While there they pulled all of the suspension off and found a broken rear spring. I got the 780-920 springs from Moss and we also install a tube shock kit I got several years ago. If you look at http:// s690.photobucket.com/albums/vv270/jltinkham/? action=view¤t=20090802_0303.jpg you can see the rear looks very high, keep in mind this is about as stripped as it can get, no engine etc. I think the rear is too high and the front too low... Opinions?? Suggestions?? Tink 69 CGT 66 B 60 Bugeye _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 2 14:00:00 2009 From: To: David Woerpel , mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:06:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Alamo Beige MGA Fellers and Gals: I don't have an opinion on the color or colour of anyone else's MG. But I do have an observation: If AB is a color which few posters have ever seen and even fewer posters actually own, why is this such a topic of interest to so many people? If you really want to see outrageous colour on a car, try my neighbor's FX35 infiniti. It is bright pumpkin orange. He drives it with a sack over his head so no one knows woh he is. He has no idea what color Alamo is but he would gladly take it...../Mel 71BGT teal (which is Duke blue) ---- David Woerpel wrote: > There is, however, an Alamo Beige that appears at Elkhart Lake as a > spectator regularly. It is well used (as these cars should be) and I > believe from IL. I like the rare color. > > Dave Woerpel > 59 :{) Leaf Green > 59 MGA 1500 rdstr O.E.W. > Burlington WI > > > Kim Tonry wrote: > > I haven't seen Dan Zurawski or his MGA in about 15 years. He isn't listed in > > the current Chicagoland MG Club directory or e-mail address list. Last > > listing in the club I can find for him is in a 1993 directory showing a > > Libertyville address. It's not that bad a color, certainly not one you see > > very often. But keep in mind I had a Limeflower GT so maybe my color fashion > > sense isn't all that great. > > Kim Tonry > > Downers Grove, Illinois, U.S.A. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as melfrankus@carolina.rr.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 2 14:27:18 2009 From: Max Heim To: MG List Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:41:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stance question Well, of course it is sitting high with all that weight missing, but... ...my experience with new Moss springs was that the car sat high in the back, and did so for many years. It has only now resumed a level stance, after at least a decade. I don't think I am alone in this, either. My only suggestion would be to loosen the spring eye bolts, and keep them loose until all the missing parts are back on the car and it is ready for the road. Then bounce it hard on the springs a few times before tightening them. on 8/2/09 11:48 AM, Jim Tinkham at jltinkham@dishmail.net wrote: > I've finally reached the point of putting things together instead of > taking them apart. Just got the body back from paint. While there > they pulled all of the suspension off and found a broken rear spring. > I got the 780-920 springs from Moss and we also install a tube shock > kit I got several years ago. If you look at http:// > s690.photobucket.com/albums/vv270/jltinkham/? > action=view¤t=20090802_0303.jpg you can see the rear looks very > high, keep in mind this is about as stripped as it can get, no engine > etc. I think the rear is too high and the front too low... > > Opinions?? > > Suggestions?? > > > Tink > 69 CGT > 66 B > 60 Bugeye -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 2 16:08:38 2009 From: cyberemp@comcast.net To: MG LIST Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:35:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] heritage Vrs. "budget" floor pans Greetings O list. I think I've seen the question before, asking the difference between the two floor pans offered for the 70 MGB. bolts for the heritage pan to attach the seats and muffler, none in the "budget" floor pan. Just checking to see in anyone has personal experience with them. Pan needed for drivers side, North America car,1970 MGB. Eric 1946 MG-TC 1959 MGA 65 mgb 1970 MGB 71 MGB 00 Nissan X-Terra 03 jetta TDI So many cars, so little parking _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 2 16:11:09 2009 From: saidel@camden.rutgers.edu To: MG List Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 17:48:38 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] 74.5 CBB for sale Hi Guys, I have a 74.5 MG CBB for sale in my driveway. Yes, it runs. I had it tuned at a local MG garage. It needs lots of little things, but nothing major. I do have a lowest price, and I decided that I prefer to have it on the road rather than let it sit in the driveway with no possibility of my driving it for another year. My 76 is just ducky and I've decided to use it as my primary. I've never sold an MG so I decided to do this on a personal basis. By that I mean price. I'm looking for BO if you are a lister and are interested. It is clearly not a parts car. I think someone with the know-how could turn it into a fine vehicle. If interested, i) contact me privately (use Bill.Saidel@gmail.com despite the id on this note) and ii) I am in Southern New Jersey. I'll send lots of pictures to anyone interested and I certainly hope I am not stepping on someone's or the list's toes by sending this message. I have been a lister for several years, and I remember notes about potential cars appearing ever so often. I just don't have the time this car needs. Bill Saidel BMCSNJ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 2 16:27:00 2009 From: Paul Root To: Jim Tinkham Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:59:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stance question I was looking at that picture wondering why the rear was so high. The tailgate and gas tank will help, probably, but I think it's too high. BTW, black tulip is my favorite. If I was stripping my car down to repaint properly, I'd go with that. On Aug 2, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Jim Tinkham wrote: > I've finally reached the point of putting things together instead of > taking them apart. Just got the body back from paint. While there > they pulled all of the suspension off and found a broken rear > spring. I got the 780-920 springs from Moss and we also install a > tube shock kit I got several years ago. If you look at http://s690.photobucket.com/albums/vv270/jltinkham/?action=view¤t=20090802_0303.jpg > you can see the rear looks very high, keep in mind this is about as > stripped as it can get, no engine etc. I think the rear is too high > and the front too low... > > Opinions?? > > Suggestions?? > > > Tink > 69 CGT > 66 B > 60 Bugeye > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ptrmgb@gmail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 2 16:55:03 2009 From: Carl French To: MG LIST , cyberemp@comcast.net Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] heritage Vrs. "budget" floor pans I got one of the $100 budget floor pans from VB last year and they have the captive nuts installed. They have a very tall lip which is nice is you have some rough edges and can be trimmed if not. I would buy them again. Everything else is Heritage. FWIW Carl --- On Sun, 8/2/09, cyberemp@comcast.net wrote: From: cyberemp@comcast.net Subject: [Mgs] heritage Vrs. "budget" floor pans To: "MG LIST" Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 5:35 PM Greetings O list. I think I've seen the question before, asking the difference between the two floor pans offered for the 70 MGB. bolts for the heritage pan to attach the seats and muffler, none in the "budget" floor pan. Just checking to see in anyone has personal experience with them. Pan needed for drivers side, North America car,1970 MGB. Eric 1946 MG-TC 1959 MGA 65 mgb 1970 MGB 71 MGB 00 Nissan X-Terra 03 jetta TDI So many cars, so little parking You are subscribed as leylandauto@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 2 17:28:22 2009 From: "Councill, David" To: "Jim Tinkham" , Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:00:26 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stance question Same thing with my 72B a few years ago, also painted black tulip at body shop. When I replaced the rear springs, I also ended up with the high lift. I then bought the rear spring lowering kit - should lower it about 1.5". I think Moss and resellers have it. In the end, you should be able to measure from the bottom of the chrome strip to center of the wheel and all 4 should measure the same distance, somewhere around 13-14" David Councill 67 BGT 72 B 73 B -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Tinkham Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 12:49 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Stance question I've finally reached the point of putting things together instead of taking them apart. Just got the body back from paint. While there they pulled all of the suspension off and found a broken rear spring. I got the 780-920 springs from Moss and we also install a tube shock kit I got several years ago. If you look at http:// s690.photobucket.com/albums/vv270/jltinkham/? action=view¤t=20090802_0303.jpg you can see the rear looks very high, keep in mind this is about as stripped as it can get, no engine etc. I think the rear is too high and the front too low... Opinions?? Suggestions?? Tink 69 CGT 66 B 60 Bugeye _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 2 17:56:35 2009 From: "Councill, David" To: "MG LIST" Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:39:00 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgs] heritage Vrs. "budget" floor pans The ones I bought several years ago did not have the captive nuts installed. Where the front holes are placed, I had the body shop weld a square piece of thick metal. This part normally sits over a support beam so this prevented me from having to use long bolts. Instead, I was able to tap the proper threads for the front ones. In short, it required a bit more work including locating the holes, but I had the original rubber mats which helped. Still I would think that the budget floors are the same at most if not all suppliers. Maybe they are putting in captive nuts now but worth checking when you make the purchase. I would never buy from VB again after a very bad experience with them. Otherwise, I am not sure where I got my pans from. It would have been during a sale most likely, probably from TRF since I remember getting a lot of my body parts from them during the restoration of my 72B. David Councill 67 BGT 72 B 73 B -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl French Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 4:39 PM To: MG LIST; cyberemp@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] heritage Vrs. "budget" floor pans I got one of the $100 budget floor pans from VB last year and they have the captive nuts installed. They have a very tall lip which is nice is you have some rough edges and can be trimmed if not. I would buy them again. Everything else is Heritage. FWIW Carl _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 2 19:24:48 2009 From: "Roger Wilt" To: Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 20:55:38 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] ignore the gear oil question :) A search thru the archives has answered my question. I know - should have looked there first....... Thanks Ed Roger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 3 02:24:53 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Councill, David" , "MG LIST" Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:01:35 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] heritage Vrs. "budget" floor pans I forgot to fit mine before replacing the front half. But never mind, I used the rear holes to mark the positions, cut a slot just bigger than the thickness of the nut, welded a short strip of metal the same width as the nut to the nut, fiddled that through the slot with a bolt inserted, and welded it in place. You could replace the alloy spacer with a welded and tapped steel spacer but I think the nuts are thicker than that, and anything else is going to raise the seat. Whilst drilling holes in the rear cross-member to aid the fixing of the mounting rubbers is often mentioned, and through-bolts being used in the front cross-member for these nuts, I've never heard anyone suggest drilling holes just large enough to get a nut on a socket up to the floor pan. Seems the most obvious solution to me now, with rubber bungs in the holes. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- The ones I bought several years ago did not have the captive nuts installed.... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 3 02:25:34 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: , "Jim Tinkham" Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:48:41 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stance question With the 50/50 weight distribution of the MGB taking just the engine out is going to have a significant effect on the rear, and if it is minus engine and gearbox even more so. And apart from that in the first photo it is strapped down with chains so any height opinions can't be made, and in the 2nd even no longer being held by chains at that angle weight is going to be transferred forwards. But taking all that into account the front looks as if the engine and gearbox *are* installed, so if they aren't now it is going to be very low when they are. I'd be guessing that the rear will be about right when fully equipped, but there is no way of knowing until it is so there is no point in guessing. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- ... you can see the rear looks very high, keep in mind this is about as stripped as it can get, no engine etc. I think the rear is too high and the front too low... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 3 02:39:37 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: , "Jim Tinkham" Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:50:46 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] New Coat That's her arse, not her hip! ----- Original Message ----- ... plus we added a "tatoo" to her hip... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 4 12:02:53 2009 From: David Woerpel To: MGs , SPRIDGETS Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:08:02 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [Fwd: [Spridgets] 79 Midget] I posted this last week and now it's on eBay Z220460803142 with a B.I.N. price of $3000. At least you get to see pics. Not related NFI, etc. Sorry for the multiple list send. Dave W. 59 :{) 59 MGA 1500 rdstr -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Spridgets] 79 Midget Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:05:36 -0500 From: David Woerpel To: SPRIDGETS Just stopped to look at a 1979 Midget. Maroon (Vermillion?) in color. Did not talk to owner. Seats are good for originals. Carpet worn. Dash NOT cracked! Instruments all there and the Odo shows 63k or 65k, can't remember exactly. Body straight, under body looks in great shape. Exhaust hangs a bit low. Paint is in good shape. Don't know about the top as it was stowed. Asking $5000 obo. Phone 262.210.0741 Car is near Waterford WI on St. Hwy. 36 and just north of St. Hwy. 164. Dave W. You are subscribed as dwoerpel@wi.net http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 4 12:31:51 2009 From: David Woerpel To: MGs , Spridgets@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:36:10 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [Fwd: [Spridgets] 79 Midget]] I posted this last week and now it's on eBay Z220460803142 with a B.I.N. price of $3000. At least you get to see pics. Not related NFI, etc. Sorry for the multiple list send. Dave W. 59 :{) 59 MGA 1500 rdstr -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Spridgets] 79 Midget Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:05:36 -0500 From: David Woerpel To: SPRIDGETS Just stopped to look at a 1979 Midget. Maroon (Vermillion?) in color. Did not talk to owner. Seats are good for originals. Carpet worn. Dash NOT cracked! Instruments all there and the Odo shows 63k or 65k, can't remember exactly. Body straight, under body looks in great shape. Exhaust hangs a bit low. Paint is in good shape. Don't know about the top as it was stowed. Asking $5000 obo. Phone 262.210.0741 Car is near Waterford WI on St. Hwy. 36 and just north of St. Hwy. 164. Dave W. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 6 12:01:19 2009 From: Bert Palte To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:23:37 +0200 Subject: [Mgs] Cylinder Head Resurfacing Hi guys, At a Swedish site, I ran into this YouTube video, describing an alternate way to do the job. ROTFL! Thought I'd share it with you. >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a30NNVgwQLQ Bert _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 6 12:51:34 2009 From: "David F. Darby" To: Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:19:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cylinder Head Resurfacing It's funny, but actually should be effective. Don't know about free-handing with the die-grinder though. David _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 6 14:00:36 2009 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: , "Bert Palte" Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:40:54 +0200 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cylinder Head Resurfacing Great fun Bert! But I see these guys putting lots of staples into the sanding surface, so I wonder what the damaging effect is. Would not like to do this in the current very high temps. Cheers, Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bert Palte" To: Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [Mgs] Cylinder Head Resurfacing > Hi guys, > > At a Swedish site, I ran into this YouTube video, > describing an alternate way to do the job. > > ROTFL! > > Thought I'd share it with you. > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a30NNVgwQLQ > > > Bert _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 6 15:46:35 2009 From: Daybell7@aol.com To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:13:15 EDT Subject: [Mgs] Excessive Voltage? Greetings MG'ers, I've installed a generic ballast resister in my ignition circuit and voltage is correct while the car is not running: 12+ volts & 6 volts. When the car is running, I measure 13+ volts on the ignition side of the resister and 11+ on the coil side and at the coil. Is this correct? Also, does the voltage regulator affect the operating voltage of the car generally, or just the charging system? I thought voltage throughout the car should not exceed battery voltage, i.e. 12.6V. Thanks in advance, Steve Hughes Gainesville, FL MGB 1972 MGB-GT 1968 TR6 1973 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 6 18:56:17 2009 From: Barney Gaylord To: Daybell7@aol.com,mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:37:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Excessive Voltage? At 05:13 PM 8/6/2009 -0400, Steve Hughes wrote: >.... >I've installed a generic ballast resister in my ignition circuit Why? What kind of car, and what model year? MGB had a ballast resistor standard from 1974-1/2 to 1980, earlier cars not. Ballast resistor must be mated with ballast type coil, both or neither installed, not one by itself. Standard coil is about 3.2 ohme resistance in the primary winding. Ballasted coil is about 1.6 ohms plus ballast resistor of 1.6 ohms in series to make same 3.2 ohms total. >and voltage is correct while the car is not running: 12+ volts & 6 volts. Where are you measuring the 6v? With ballast resistor and ballast type coil installed, and with ground circuit through distributor closed (equivalent to points closed), you should have 6v between the resistor and coil. With ground circuit through distributor open (equivalent to points open), you should have 12v between the resistor and coil. >When the car is running, I measure 13+ volts on the ignition side of >the resister Good. >and 11+ on the coil side and at the coil. Bad. >Is this correct? The voltage reading is not correct, but there may be nothing wrong with the car. While running the voltage between ballast resistor and coil is constantly changing from about 14 volts (system voltage) to about 7 volts (half system voltage). When ground curcuit opens (solid state ignition equivalent to points opening) the coil primary circuit is subject to a momentary high voltage spike (up to 300 volts) and high frequency "ringing". This erratic voltage fluctuation in the coil primary will confuse a digital volt meter. An analog volt meter should show about 7v at the coil while running (maybe, depending on design of the meter). >Also, does the voltage regulator affect the operating voltage of the >car generally, or just the charging system? The regulator controls voltage output of the alternator (or generator on earlier cars). Alternator output is intimately connected to the battery cable, so system voltage goes with alternator output voltage. >I thought voltage throughout the car should not exceed >battery voltage, i.e. 12.6V. > .... Nope. Alternator output may be in the 14-14.5v range when running, and so goes the rest of the electrical system. Open circuit voltage for a fully charged battery in good contition is 12.6v. When discharging (lights on and engine not running) the voltage will go a bit lower (around 11.5-12.2v). When running and charging the system voltage will be higher (13.0-14.5v depending somewhat on where in the system you test it). Checking voltage near the coil when running using a digital meter can give false readings. Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 6 19:27:10 2009 From: Simon Matthews To: Daybell7@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:57:48 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Excessive Voltage? You probably want to measure the voltage at the coil with the ignition on, engine stopped and points closed. What you are attemtping to measure is a voltage that is changing. Also, even if your meter is measuring a true average, this value will change depending on the engine speed. Simon On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:13 PM, wrote: > Greetings MG'ers, > > I've installed a generic ballast resister in my ignition circuit and > voltage is correct while the car is not running: 12+ volts & 6 volts. When the > car is running, I measure 13+ volts on the ignition side of the resister > and 11+ on the coil side and at the coil. Is this correct? > > Also, does the voltage regulator affect the operating voltage of the car > generally, or just the charging system? > I thought voltage throughout the car should not exceed battery voltage, > i.e. 12.6V. > > Thanks in advance, > Steve Hughes > Gainesville, FL > MGB 1972 > MGB-GT 1968 > TR6 1973 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as simon.d.matthews@gmail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 6 21:45:04 2009 From: Richard Ewald To: Daybell7@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 20:11:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Excessive Voltage? A battery has an internal resistance of about .2V per cell that means to fully charge one cell of a battery to 2.12V will require 2.32V to do it (approx) In a 12 V system there are six battery cells giving a fully charged battery 6 X 2.12 = 12.72V The .2V additional X 6 = 1.2V 12.72 + 1.2 = 13.92V If your system is running at 12.6 you had better fix it, or you will be in Rebok mode soon. About the 11V you are measuring. It probably isn't 11VDC a coil generates about 100-300V AC on the positive low voltage terminal from the magnetic field collapsing when the points open. This is the primary trace that mechanics used see on a diagnostic o-scope. Your meter is probably confused by all the AC voltage. This voltage is normal. If you doubt this feel free to touch the + low voltage terminal with the engine running. But don't say I didn't warn you. hope this helps Rick On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:13 PM, wrote: > Greetings MG'ers, > > I've installed a generic ballast resister in my ignition circuit and > voltage is correct while the car is not running: 12+ volts & 6 volts. > When the > car is running, I measure 13+ volts on the ignition side of the resister > and 11+ on the coil side and at the coil. Is this correct? > > Also, does the voltage regulator affect the operating voltage of the car > generally, or just the charging system? > I thought voltage throughout the car should not exceed battery voltage, > i.e. 12.6V. > > Thanks in advance, > Steve Hughes > Gainesville, FL > MGB 1972 > MGB-GT 1968 > TR6 1973 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as richard.ewald@gmail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 7 02:41:15 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: , Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 09:12:06 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Excessive Voltage? The first question is why? But if you *have* added a ballast resistance then you must also use a matching coil with it, not the original 12v that a 72 or a 68 had, MGBs didn't get a ballast and 6v coil until rubber bumpers. And when they did they also got a special solenoid with a bypass contact to give a boost voltage to the coil during cranking to improve starting. Without that you have gained nothing by changing a 12v coil for a 6v with ballast, except something else to go wrong. 12v coils measure about 3 ohms across the primary (spades) or about 2.4 ohms for a 'sport' coil. 6v coils measure about half that i.e. 1.5 ohms for standard or 1.2 ohms for sport. The factory ballast resistance for these similarly measures about 1.5 ohms. There are very many lower resistance coils that should not be used except with a specialist electronic ignition system designed for them. On the face of it if you have 12v on the ignition side and 6v on the coil side with the points closed then you have equal resistance coil and ballast which is correct, but until you measure the resistance of each (wiring disconnected) then you won't know if they are both wrong or both right. Two 3 ohm items will give the same voltages, but only half the current and so weak sparking. Running voltages between coil and ballast are affected both by the car system voltage and the dwell angle of the points or trigger. The correct running voltage of the cars systems is about 14.5v at 3000 rpm, not 12.6v. That is determined by the voltage regulator or control box, but will reduce towards 12.8v as the load on the cars electrics increases i.e. recharging the battery, headlights on etc. In your case 13v is good enough if that was idle or only just above it. It depends on what meter you are using, and what dwell angle in the distributor, as to what voltage you will see on the coil side of the ballast. I'd have said 11v was a bit high, ordinarily with an input voltage of 13, equal ballast and coil (as you seem to have), points distributor and an analogue meter I'd expect to see about 9v. This can be very different with electronic ignition of most types and I couldn't say what you might read with a digital instrument. 11v with points and an analogue instrument says to me you have low dwell. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- I've installed a generic ballast resister in my ignition circuit and voltage is correct while the car is not running: 12+ volts & 6 volts. When the car is running, I measure 13+ volts on the ignition side of the resister and 11+ on the coil side and at the coil. Is this correct? Also, does the voltage regulator affect the operating voltage of the car generally, or just the charging system? I thought voltage throughout the car should not exceed battery voltage, i.e. 12.6V. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 7 05:39:24 2009 From: Daybell7@aol.com To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 07:13:25 EDT Subject: Re: [Mgs] Excessive Voltage? Thank-you (all) for the responses! The immediate question (I confess) was regarding the ballasted TR6 with an electronic igniter. I learned after I purchased the ballasted coil the resister had been by-passed. I am using a digital multimeter, so coil voltage might have been be distorted when the car is running. I measure 6 volts on the coil side of the resister and on the positive terminal of the coil when the car is not running. My question about running voltages is answered - thanks again. I did discover low voltage (12.6v with car running) on the 1972 MGB when I was comparing running voltages, so that's my next concern! S. Hughes In a message dated 8/6/2009 5:13:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Daybell7 writes: Greetings MG'ers, I've installed a generic ballast resister in my ignition circuit and voltage is correct while the car is not running: 12+ volts & 6 volts. When the car is running, I measure 13+ volts on the ignition side of the resister and 11+ on the coil side and at the coil. Is this correct? Also, does the voltage regulator affect the operating voltage of the car generally, or just the charging system? I thought voltage throughout the car should not exceed battery voltage, i.e. 12.6V. Thanks in advance, Steve Hughes Gainesville, FL MGB 1972 MGB-GT 1968 TR6 1973 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 7 09:27:21 2009 From: "BJ8 Healeys" To: Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:03:39 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] MGB for sale Hello, Octagonoids About 13 years ago, I was a member of this list but gave it up when the Spridgets split off. Hope you all have been doing well and enjoying your MGs. I promised a friend of a friend that I would post a notice of his MGB for sale on this list, so here goes: If anyone is interested at all, please contact David Schnorenberg: schnorenberg@hotmail.com, or 252-349-9065. The car is located in New Bern, NC. Steve - the car is a 1975 MGB convertible. Exterior is yellow, interior is black, top is black. Bumpers are rubber, which I think was standard post-1974. I've had ownership for four years. My father-in-law purchased shortly before his death, and I purchased from my mother-in-law. I had all intentions of restoring, but just don't have the time at present. The car is perfectly drivable, and the following components have been replaced in the past five years: fuel pump, brakes (shoes, lines and master cylinder), tires, exhaust and top. I replaced the battery this week. The brakes and tires have less than 2000 miles. The frame, underside and body are solid. Some light surface corrosion to the body, but nothing serious. The car spent the majority of its life in West Virginia, and there is some evidence of minor body patching. The top has a small tear (about 3 inches) just aft of the passenger side window, which I have had patched, and is hardly noticeable. The interior is in what I would consider better than average condition for the age of the car. The dash is not cracked, the seats covers are not worn, although the seat cushion support needs some work. It has a mahogany steering wheel, and the chrome around the instrument gauges has some light corrosion. All the instrument gauges are in working condition. It has interior carpet (good condition), and a full set of floor mats. The engine is strong, and the 4-speed transmission is fairly smooth. The passenger side mirror glass is missing. This is a great project car, and currently suitable as a daily driver. The odometer lists around 77000 miles, although I can't vouch for its accuracy. I've invested over $1000 in new (not overhauled) parts, and am asking $2500, but will consider any offer. I've attached a single picture, more available upon request. Please feel free to share all info. I appreciate your assistance. R/ Dave _____ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 8 19:40:17 2009 From: Rick Lindsay To: MGS , tr3a Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 18:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] Sluggish clutch Hello Friends, I'm working on a British sports car that uses a hydraulic clutch control and I have a problem. The clutch will disengage just fine but it engages really slowly. Before I take the hydraulic plumbing apart (again) I like to ask if you have experienced this problem. The problem is that I don't know if the clutch throw-out bearing arm's pivots are bound up or if the hydraulic fluid is slow to return from the slave cylinder keeping the arm from engaging. I can rather easily disconnect the slave cylinder from the arm and test but I'd like to hear if you have had or have ever heard of the hydraulic fluid not returning to the reservoir when the pedal is released. Can you help? rick '62 TR3b _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 8 20:12:01 2009 From: Mark J Bradakis To: MGS Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 19:56:08 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Sluggish clutch Is there a section of rubber hose involved in the hydraulics? Hoses can and do deteriorate, can soften and swell inside, often acting as a one way restrictor valve. mjb. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 9 08:00:33 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Mark J Bradakis" , "MGS" Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 14:33:17 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Sluggish clutch Pedal may also not be allowing the piston to come back far enough and so clear the bypass hole, could also be a partial restriction anywhere in the system. Don't know about a TR3 but on a 4-cylinder MGB getting to the master side of the slave flex hose is a pain to slacken it off and see if that makes the pedal suddenly return, probably easier to slacken the banjo union on the master. If one or more places along the hydraulic circuit makes a difference then the restriction is on the master side of that point. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Is there a section of rubber hose involved in the hydraulics? Hoses can and do deteriorate, can soften and swell inside, often acting as a one way restrictor valve. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 9 18:36:13 2009 From: Jack Feldman To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 19:34:58 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz Just finished rereading ASPECTS OF ABINGDON, by Ken Smith. In the revised edition he doesn't use a pseudonym. It was almost like being part of the factory, although it was helped by sharing the, perhaps, not so unique experience of also working in a factory where we were family. Most importantly it brings home how unique our MGs are. Over 500,000 B;s were made, and they did it so well that the MG brand is still revered today. Ken mentions how the factory was ahead of its time. Seems the Japanese reinvend the concept of teams, and the idea that the car wouldn't move forward unless everything was OK. The design was so modern that our cars still look contemporary. When I drive my Healey, it is recognized as an antique. I rarely get that comment about the B. One chapter talks bout quality. I have two sources that praise the quality of the cars manufacture at Abingdon. In his bookGeoff Healey wasn't too happy to hear that Healey manufacturing was going to be shifted to Abingdon, but he discovered the quality of the cars coming off the line, and praises the plant for its outstanding work. In THE DECLINE OF THE BRITISH CAR INDUSTRY, the author compares the output of Longbridge with Abingdon. Longbridge was ahead in quantity, but Abingdon was far ahead in quality. Now for the trivia. The book mentions the "Sabrina" block bumpers on the 741/2 models. I assume they never reached our shores because we got those large rubber bumpers. OK folks. How did those block bumpers (actually the over riders), get their name? We should read this book over and over again. It just reinforces the greatness of the MG marque. Jack _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 9 19:19:52 2009 From: David Breneman To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Jack Feldman wrote: > Now for the trivia. The book mentions the "Sabrina" block > bumpers on the > 741/2 models. I assume they never reached our shores > because we got those > large rubber bumpers. OK folks. How did those block bumpers > (actually the over riders), get their name? I thought they did make it to the US, but only for one year. Anyway, Sabrina was, for lack of a better explanation, the European Jayne Mansfield. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 9 19:22:02 2009 From: Barney Gaylord To: Jack Feldman ,mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:18:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz A man of your age should ask such a question? Let's see who bookmarked the oil company TV commercial. At 07:34 PM 8/9/2009 -0500, Jack Feldman wrote: >Just finished rereading ASPECTS OF ABINGDON, by Ken Smith. In the revised >edition he doesn't use a pseudonym. >.... >Now for the trivia. The book mentions the "Sabrina" block bumpers on the >741/2 models. I assume they never reached our shores because we got those >large rubber bumpers. OK folks. How did those block bumpers (actually the >over riders), get their name? >.... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 9 19:34:35 2009 From: "Richard Rivenbark" To: Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 21:25:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz Actually the block bumpers did make it over here. My 74.5 RWA Midget has them... Tad -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jack Feldman Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 8:35 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz Now for the trivia. The book mentions the "Sabrina" block bumpers on the 741/2 models. I assume they never reached our shores because we got those large rubber bumpers. OK folks. How did those block bumpers (actually the over riders), get their name? We should read this book over and over again. It just reinforces the greatness of the MG marque. Jack _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 9 19:52:08 2009 From: Eric Erickson To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:21:03 +0930 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz David Breneman wrote: > I thought they did make it to the US, but only for > one year. Anyway, Sabrina was, for lack of a better > explanation, the European Jayne Mansfield. > He is trying to say.... BOOBIES! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 9 21:06:07 2009 From: "Sales at \" Just Brits \"" To: Angelo Graham ,triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:05:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz <> Even tho Eric is somewhat correct with BOOBIES, the real answer is the 74.5 cars using the TR-6 overriders, Jack. Most folks have removed as generally felt UGLY (which they are) BUT sorta makes those cars ( the predecessor of full (flat out slap UGLY rubber bumpers) a bit rare for Concours/re-sale. Ed _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 9 21:20:21 2009 From: Simon Matthews To: Jack Feldman Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 20:15:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Jack Feldman wrote: > Now for the trivia. The book mentions the "Sabrina" block bumpers on the > 741/2 models. I assume they never reached our shores because we got those Actually, the reverse, I think the "Sabrina" bumpers were only available on North American cars. I bought a '74 MGB in 1990 or 1991 that had such bumpers. I think it was for only half a model year -- the '74.5 models were the first to receive the rubber bumpers. Regards, Simon _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 10 02:19:10 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: Grant Buss Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:09:30 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz Correct. All cars got the full-sized rubber bumpers for the 74 1/2 year starting in September 74. Only North America got the 'Sabrina' overriders, and only from January 74, not from the start of the 74 model year which began in August 73. The 75 model year began uncharacteristically late in December 74, typically it was around August/September. Abingdon had the lowest warranty claims by far of any BL production site, there is a period photo somewhere showing the 'league table'. My father-in-law bought a Morris 1000 Traveller new in 1967 and the dealer said he would try and get him 'an Abingdon one' because they were so good. He kept it until it rotted away, and apart from a tendency for the brake and clutch pedals to move together because the pivots were unprotected under the floor the only other problem he had was the jack braking the first time he had a puncture, and even that was years later. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Actually, the reverse, I think the "Sabrina" bumpers were only available on North American cars. I bought a '74 MGB in 1990 or 1991 that had such bumpers. I think it was for only half a model year -- the '74.5 models were the first to receive the rubber bumpers. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 10 03:50:08 2009 From: "Sales at \" Just Brits \"" To: Simon Matthews Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 04:37:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz << Actually, the reverse, I think the "Sabrina" bumpers were only available on North American cars. I bought a '74 MGB in 1990 or 1991 that had such bumpers. I think it was for only half a model year -- the '74.5 models were the first to receive the rubber bumpers. >> Yep Simon, don't know what I was thinking 'cause I KNOW better then 74.5 - '75 !!! Got it bassackwards !!! Arrrggggg, I HATE when that happens!!! Ed _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 10 07:35:06 2009 From: Jack Feldman To: sales@justbrits.com Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:31:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz Till waiting for an answer. Jack On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Sales at " Just Brits " < sales@justbrits.com> wrote: > << > > Actually, the reverse, I think the "Sabrina" bumpers were only > available on North American cars. I bought a '74 MGB in 1990 or 1991 > that had such bumpers. I think it was for only half a model year -- > the '74.5 models were the first to receive the rubber bumpers. > > >> > > Yep Simon, don't know what I was thinking 'cause I KNOW better then 74.5 - > '75 !!! > Got it bassackwards !!! > > Arrrggggg, I HATE when that happens!!! > > Ed _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 10 07:49:56 2009 From: Simon Matthews To: Jack Feldman Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 06:42:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Jack Feldman wrote: > Till waiting for an answer. To "why Sabrina"? They were named after an actress. A well-endowed actress. Simon _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 10 08:05:24 2009 From: Barrie Robinson To: Barney Gaylord , Jack Feldman Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:12:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz I thought the name Sabrina was given to some part of an engine ?? Maybe my brain was short-circuited by Sabrina's outline!! At 09:18 PM 8/9/2009, Barney Gaylord wrote: >A man of your age should ask such a question? >Let's see who bookmarked the oil company TV commercial. > > >At 07:34 PM 8/9/2009 -0500, Jack Feldman wrote: >>Just finished rereading ASPECTS OF ABINGDON, by Ken Smith. In the revised >>edition he doesn't use a pseudonym. >>.... >>Now for the trivia. The book mentions the "Sabrina" block bumpers on the >>741/2 models. I assume they never reached our shores because we got those >>large rubber bumpers. OK folks. How did those block bumpers (actually the >>over riders), get their name? >>.... >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >You are subscribed as barrie@look.ca > > >Mgs@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 10 08:06:56 2009 From: Steven Trovato To: mgs@autox.team.net, mgs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:04:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz I think this is the Sabrina in question: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabrina_(actress) I like the way the photo says "Sabrina (centre)" , like you might be confused by the two men standing there. >To "why Sabrina"? They were named after an actress. A well-endowed actress. > >Simon _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 10 08:07:11 2009 From: Richard Gosling To: Simon Matthews Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:06:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz I'm just guessing, but it could be this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabrina_(actress) Simply named "Sabrina" - no surname. English, and her figure would certainly be appropriate. She seems slightly early to have still been a star in the '70s, but maybe she stuck in the memory! Someone mentioned her being the English equivalent of Jayne Mansfield. Well, her career doesn't seem quite as significant, although co-incindentally she apparently appeared in a horror movie, replacing Mansfield who had originally been cast but died in a car accident. Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT) 2009/8/10 Simon Matthews > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Jack Feldman > wrote: > > Till waiting for an answer. > > To "why Sabrina"? They were named after an actress. A well-endowed actress. > > Simon > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as rbgosling@googlemail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 10 08:19:32 2009 From: Richard Gosling To: Steven Trovato Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:08:07 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz So now everyone's searching the internet for actresses named Sabrina with generous frontage.... 2009/8/10 Steven Trovato > I think this is the Sabrina in question: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabrina_(actress) > > I like the way the photo says "Sabrina (centre)" , like you might be > confused by the two men standing there. > > > > To "why Sabrina"? They were named after an actress. A well-endowed actress. >> >> Simon >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as rbgosling@googlemail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 10 08:19:56 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Jack Feldman" Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:14:36 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz And if you don't understand that or the earlier reference to 'boobies' try http://www.netjeff.com/humor/item.cgi?file=Bazongas ----- Original Message ----- > Till waiting for an answer. To "why Sabrina"? They were named after an actress. A well-endowed actress. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 10 09:22:29 2009 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "Steven Trovato" , Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:13:38 +0200 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz I think it derives from this Italian Sabrian, who had a summer song about boys. http://images.google.nl/images?hl=nl&q=sabrina+boys+boys+boys&gbv=2&aq=0&oq=sabrina+boys This Sabrina had some boys as well! Cheers, Hans 71 BGT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Trovato" To: ; Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz >I think this is the Sabrina in question: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabrina_(actress) > > I like the way the photo says "Sabrina (centre)" , like you might be > confused by the two men standing there. > > > >>To "why Sabrina"? They were named after an actress. A well-endowed >>actress. >> >>Simon _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 10 09:35:27 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Hans Duinhoven" , Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:26:55 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz Wow! Born in 1968 but having knockers the size of those overriders by 1974 ... I don't think so Hans :o) ----- Original Message ----- I think it derives from this Italian Sabrian, who had a summer song about boys. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 10 09:36:44 2009 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "Paul Hunt" , Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:31:21 +0200 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz This Sabrina was ahead of her times.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Hunt To: Hans Duinhoven ; mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz Wow! Born in 1968 but having knockers the size of those overriders by 1974 ... I don't think so Hans :o) ----- Original Message ----- I think it derives from this Italian Sabrian, who had a summer song about boys. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 10 09:36:55 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Hans Duinhoven" , Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:31:11 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz This is the real one: http://nylon.net/sabrina/mags/insidestory1964.htm 'Treasure chest' indeed! ----- Original Message ----- I think it derives from this Italian Sabrian... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 10 09:50:47 2009 From: Eric Erickson To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 01:03:22 +0930 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz Paul Hunt wrote: > This is the real one: > > http://nylon.net/sabrina/mags/insidestory1964.htm > > 'Treasure chest' indeed! > ----- Original Message ----- > You guys have a fixation!!! Ahhhh mammaries, like the cornice of my mind..... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 10 09:51:04 2009 From: Steven Trovato To: Hans Duinhoven , mgs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:46:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz She was only born in 1968. I don't think she's the one. At 11:13 AM 8/10/2009, Hans Duinhoven wrote: >I think it derives from this Italian Sabrian, who had a summer song >about boys. >http://images.google.nl/images?hl=nl&q=sabrina+boys+boys+boys&gbv=2&aq=0&oq=sabrina+boys _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 10 10:23:20 2009 From: Bill Mills To: Steven Trovato , Hans Duinhoven Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:17:26 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz Here's an add for the roadster with Sabrina. I've got a GT with Sabrina but don't have any pics of her on a web site. http://www.mgexperience.net/media/view/mag_ads/699.jpg Bill -----Original Message----- >From: Steven Trovato >Sent: Aug 10, 2009 11:46 AM >To: Hans Duinhoven , mgs@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz > >She was only born in 1968. I don't think she's the one. > >At 11:13 AM 8/10/2009, Hans Duinhoven wrote: >>I think it derives from this Italian Sabrian, who had a summer song >>about boys. >>http://images.google.nl/images?hl=nl&q=sabrina+boys+boys+boys&gbv=2&aq=0&oq=sabrina+boys >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >You are subscribed as bmills46@earthlink.net > > >Mgs@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 10 11:22:46 2009 From: Barrie Robinson To: Bill Mills , Steven Trovato Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:01:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz I still think you guys have got it wrong - Those rubber bumpers are nowhere near Sabrina's overhangs. I am sure the name was given to an engine bit - maybe a Triumph ??? At 12:17 PM 8/10/2009, Bill Mills wrote: >Here's an add for the roadster with Sabrina. I've got a GT with >Sabrina but don't have any pics of her on a web site. >http://www.mgexperience.net/media/view/mag_ads/699.jpg >Bill > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Steven Trovato > >Sent: Aug 10, 2009 11:46 AM > >To: Hans Duinhoven , mgs@autox.team.net > >Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz > > > >She was only born in 1968. I don't think she's the one. > > > >At 11:13 AM 8/10/2009, Hans Duinhoven wrote: > >>I think it derives from this Italian Sabrian, who had a summer song > >>about boys. > >>http://images.google.nl/images?hl=nl&q=sabrina+boys+boys+boys&gbv= > 2&aq=0&oq=sabrina+boys > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > >You are subscribed as bmills46@earthlink.net > > > > > >Mgs@autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > > >http://www.team.net/archive >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >You are subscribed as barrie@look.ca > > >Mgs@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 10 11:38:16 2009 From: Jack Feldman To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:16:19 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Sabrina Looks like some of you got it. For those of you who didn't, try http://nylon.net/sabrina/index.html Jack _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 10 12:46:35 2009 From: Max Heim To: MG List Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:43:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz No, definitely refers to bumpers. But if you look at the "Sabrinas" on a Spitfire of the same vintage, they are considerably more prominent. Maybe that's what you're thinking of. on 8/10/09 10:01 AM, Barrie Robinson at barrie@look.ca wrote: > I still think you guys have got it wrong - Those rubber bumpers are > nowhere near Sabrina's overhangs. I am sure the name was given to an > engine bit - maybe a Triumph ??? > > > At 12:17 PM 8/10/2009, Bill Mills wrote: >> Here's an add for the roadster with Sabrina. I've got a GT with >> Sabrina but don't have any pics of her on a web site. >> http://www.mgexperience.net/media/view/mag_ads/699.jpg >> Bill >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Steven Trovato >>> Sent: Aug 10, 2009 11:46 AM >>> To: Hans Duinhoven , mgs@autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz >>> >>> She was only born in 1968. I don't think she's the one. >>> >>> At 11:13 AM 8/10/2009, Hans Duinhoven wrote: >>>> I think it derives from this Italian Sabrian, who had a summer song >>>> about boys. >>>> http://images.google.nl/images?hl=nl&q=sabrina+boys+boys+boys&gbv= >> 2&aq=0&oq=sabrina+boys -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 10 13:24:16 2009 From: "Sales at \" Just Brits \"" To: "Mark Haynes" , Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:02:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz <> Yep Max AND used on TR-6 !! Those are the ones I was thinking of !! Wish I could remember what it is said is the FIRST thing to go......... Ed PS: Surprised MJB hasn't jumped into this thread!!!! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 10 14:24:06 2009 From: David Breneman To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Sabrina --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Jack Feldman wrote: > Looks like some of you got it. > > For those of you who didn't, try http://nylon.net/sabrina/index.html I suppose that now is a good time to point out that the somewhat similar chrome protrusions on American cars in the 1950s were called "Dagmars" for a very similar celebrity reason. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 10 14:24:14 2009 From: Bill Mills To: sales@justbrits.com Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:02:29 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz Sort of like this one http://www.lytle-medicinelodge.info/OilSpot08images/OilSpot08_0009.jpg Bill '74 'BGT -----Original Message----- >From: "Sales at \" Just Brits \"" >Sent: Aug 10, 2009 3:02 PM >To: >Cc: MG List >Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz > ><they are considerably more prominent.>> > >Yep Max AND used on TR-6 !! Those are the ones I was thinking of !! > >Wish I could remember what it is said is the FIRST thing to go......... > >Ed > >PS: Surprised MJB hasn't jumped into this thread!!!! >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >You are subscribed as bmills46@earthlink.net > > >Mgs@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 10 19:15:05 2009 From: Glenn Schnittke To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:47:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz This is what I get for not looking at my e-mail for 24 hours. I miss out on winning a contest. No, really. Go to http://nylon.net/sabrina/index.html Sabrina was the British answer to Jayne Mansfield complete with more pronounced torpedoes than Jayne but I'd say equal acting capabilities. The bumper was named after her for quite obvious reasons. My first MGB was a Sabrina car. One thing I discovered quite early was the advantage of being able to keep a beer on the bumper while the front was jacked up. Helped me to keep abreast of the subject at hand. You know I had to do that. I seem to remember The Goons making reference to her in at least one of their shows. The audience got the reference easily enough. Glenn _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 10 19:29:13 2009 From: Glenn Schnittke To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:02:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz Actually I think it was a little more obsessive on the part of the Goons. Enjoy Sellars, Secomb and Milligan ... http://nylon.net/sabrina/sounds/sabrinasounds.html -- Be careful when you deal with old hippies. They can be real touchy. - Ferris Bueller _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 10 22:11:51 2009 From: David Breneman To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:55:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Glenn Schnittke wrote: > My first MGB was a Sabrina car. One thing I discovered > quite early was the advantage of being able to keep a beer > on the bumper while the front was jacked up. Helped me to > keep abreast of the subject at hand. Woah, dude, he said "aBREAST." Heh, heh, heh, heh..... (I don't remember enough of Bevis and Butthead to know if that is an accurate characterization.) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 11 15:34:19 2009 From: "J Foster" To: Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:01:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz Be sure to check out the video of her Caltex commercial where she drives in to a service station in an MGA. http://nylon.net/sabrina/media/ad/ad.htm _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 12 02:12:46 2009 From: Richard Gosling To: J Foster Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:45:12 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz I suspect many of us have been spending WAY too much time on that Sabrina site over the last day or so... But you can't deny, for a girl from the days before silicone, she is quite remarkable. Richard 2009/8/11 J Foster > Be sure to check out the video of her Caltex commercial > where she drives in to a service station in an MGA. > > http://nylon.net/sabrina/media/ad/ad.htm > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as rbgosling@googlemail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 12 03:13:05 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: , "Barrie Robinson" Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:30:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz Come on Barrie, it is a representational observation, not an anatomically accurate one ;o) ----- Original Message ----- I still think you guys have got it wrong - Those rubber bumpers are nowhere near Sabrina's overhangs. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 12 03:17:34 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Glenn Schnittke" , Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:34:02 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz One out of three correct - Sellers, Secombe and Milligan ----- Original Message ----- ...Enjoy Sellars, Secomb and Milligan ... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 12 10:45:38 2009 From: Barrie Robinson To: "J Foster" , Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:14:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz I dunno! I think she looks pretty awful! Completely non-sexy like a human Barbie doll - ugh ! At 05:01 PM 8/11/2009, J Foster wrote: >Be sure to check out the video of her Caltex commercial >where she drives in to a service station in an MGA. > >http://nylon.net/sabrina/media/ad/ad.htm >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >You are subscribed as barrie@look.ca > > >Mgs@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 12 11:18:42 2009 From: Paul Root To: MG List Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:58:49 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] tappet cover leaks I finally got around to power washing my engine so I could definitively tell that my slight oil leak was the tappet covers. Saturday, I'm going to replace the gasket on them. Are there any tricks or "been there, done that, don't do what I did"s? I figure it's Remove carbs Remove exhaust manifold remove covers clean covers scrap every bit of old gasket off covers make sure covers aren't warped gasket goo the gasket to the cover, let cure put on engine replace manifold replace carbs drive, be happy. I now return you to your regularly scheduled female chest discussion. :-) a Paul. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 13 02:27:54 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: , "Barrie Robinson" Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:51:37 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz And didn't those Aussie pump monkeys speak awfully well in those days ... ----- Original Message ----- I dunno! I think she looks pretty awful! Completely non-sexy like a human Barbie doll - ugh ! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 13 04:17:23 2009 From: Mike Janacek To: MG List Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 05:53:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet cover leaks I'd only add to check the center bolt fittings (washer, bushing and cup) for missing/worn parts and replace as needed. Mike '79B Paul Root wrote: > I finally got around to power washing my engine so I could > definitively tell that my slight oil leak was the tappet covers. > > Saturday, I'm going to replace the gasket on them. > > Are there any tricks or "been there, done that, don't do what I did"s? > > I figure it's > Remove carbs > Remove exhaust manifold > remove covers > clean covers > scrap every bit of old gasket off covers > make sure covers aren't warped > gasket goo the gasket to the cover, let cure > put on engine > replace manifold > replace carbs > drive, be happy. > > > I now return you to your regularly scheduled female chest discussion. :-) > > a Paul. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 13 14:49:50 2009 From: James F Juhas To: Paul Root Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:28:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet cover leaks Pretty much what I did when I got it right and it didn't leak. HOWEVER, I had a particularly bad outcome when I tried it with the expensive silicone gaskets that look like red neoprene. They moved around too much when I snugged them down and leaked. I suggest the cork gaskets with the appropriate goo on both surfaces. I used the red high temperature Permatex with excellent results, which also makes them removable and reusable, if that matters. Paul Root wrote: > I finally got around to power washing my engine so I could > definitively tell that my slight oil leak was the tappet covers. > > Saturday, I'm going to replace the gasket on them. > > Are there any tricks or "been there, done that, don't do what I did"s? > > I figure it's > Remove carbs > Remove exhaust manifold > remove covers > clean covers > scrap every bit of old gasket off covers > make sure covers aren't warped > gasket goo the gasket to the cover, let cure > put on engine > replace manifold > replace carbs > drive, be happy. > > > I now return you to your regularly scheduled female chest discussion. :-) > > a Paul. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of james_f_juhas.vcf] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 13 15:18:40 2009 From: Charles & Peggy Robinson To: Mike Janacek Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:49:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet cover leaks Get the thick composite gaskets. Put them on with silicone rubber cement and light pressure. Let them rest over night and then tighten the bolts - not too tight. CR Mike Janacek wrote: > I'd only add to check the center bolt fittings (washer, bushing and cup) > for missing/worn parts and replace as needed. > Mike > '79B > > Paul Root wrote: >> I finally got around to power washing my engine so I could >> definitively tell that my slight oil leak was the tappet covers. >> >> Saturday, I'm going to replace the gasket on them. >> >> Are there any tricks or "been there, done that, don't do what I did"s? >> >> I figure it's >> Remove carbs >> Remove exhaust manifold >> remove covers >> clean covers >> scrap every bit of old gasket off covers >> make sure covers aren't warped >> gasket goo the gasket to the cover, let cure >> put on engine >> replace manifold >> replace carbs >> drive, be happy. >> >> >> I now return you to your regularly scheduled female chest discussion. :-) >> >> a Paul. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ccrobins@ktc.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 13 16:49:46 2009 From: Jeff Foster To: Barrie Robinson , mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] THEY GOT IT RIGHT! and trivia quiz ----- Original Message ---- From: Barrie Robinson Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:14:12 AM I dunno! I think she looks pretty awful! Completely non-sexy like a human Barbie doll - ugh ! At 05:01 PM 8/11/2009, J Foster wrote: >Be sure to check out the video of her Caltex commercial >where she drives in to a service station in an MGA. > >http://nylon.net/sabrina/media/ad/ad.htm Appears she had almost as much personality as a Barbie doll too. For the record I actually had that bookmarked from some time ago - specifically for the MGA driving into the scene. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 13 17:19:54 2009 From: Paul Root To: James F Juhas Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:01:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet cover leaks Thanks, Yes, I was planning on cork. I have them already. Paul. On Aug 13, 2009, at 3:28 PM, James F Juhas wrote: > Pretty much what I did when I got it right and it didn't leak. > > HOWEVER, I had a particularly bad outcome when I tried it with the > expensive silicone gaskets that look like red neoprene. They moved > around too much when I snugged them down and leaked. I suggest the > cork gaskets with the appropriate goo on both surfaces. I used the > red high temperature Permatex with excellent results, which also > makes them removable and reusable, if that matters. > > Paul Root wrote: >> I finally got around to power washing my engine so I could >> definitively tell that my slight oil leak was the tappet covers. >> >> Saturday, I'm going to replace the gasket on them. >> >> Are there any tricks or "been there, done that, don't do what I >> did"s? >> >> I figure it's >> Remove carbs >> Remove exhaust manifold >> remove covers >> clean covers >> scrap every bit of old gasket off covers >> make sure covers aren't warped >> gasket goo the gasket to the cover, let cure >> put on engine >> replace manifold >> replace carbs >> drive, be happy. >> >> >> I now return you to your regularly scheduled female chest >> discussion. :-) >> >> a Paul. > > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 14 16:18:27 2009 From: don To: "Larry Daniels" ,"MG List" Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:03:55 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] U.S. Spec MGB GT V8 Hi Larry, A B GT V8 would be my dream car- especially if it's all factory correct. I saw one at the Bromley Pageant of Motoring in the UK several years ago and have seen them in books and magazines. Also, there was a guy in these parts (Sacramento I think) who has a condition 1 restored factory B GT V8 at the Dixon British car show, but he didin't convert it to LHD, which I think was not wise if he has any plans to drive it here in the US (unless he is a postal deliveryman). I had a TR8, and now that I don't, I realize I should have kept it as the aluminum 215 makes a small car into a rocket. TR8s are quite pleasant to drive, even though the styling is a bit strange. Are there any cars for sale at John's shop? I would like to find a nice old steel dash MGB roadster. Don Scott 2001 Miata SE BRG (thinks it's an MG) 1973 MGB GT (for sale) 1962 MGA At 08:16 AM 08/14/2009, Larry Daniels wrote: >Yesterday I had the opportunity to stop at University Motors. As John Twist >was showing me around, he pointed out a U.S. spec MGB GT V8. Honest! A 1973 >model with LHD, etc. > >He related that BL sent 8 of them over to the U.S. distributor to see if they >wanted to sell them. The distributor was also handling Jags and TRs - both >considered to be upmarket from MG - and thought the MGB V8 would upset the >pecking order and hurt Jag sales. They declined and sent 7 of the 8 back to >Jolly Old. This one remained here. It is owned by a guy in Ohio. > >By the way, John has lots and lots of used parts he needs to clear out, if you >need anything. Mostly MGB and Spridget stuff. > >Larry >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 14 16:33:21 2009 From: "Larry Daniels" To: "MG List" , "don" Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:14:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] U.S. Spec MGB GT V8 Didn't ask him about any cars for sale. He had a couple T-series and a B roadster in the shop - all in the state of rebuilding. (The TF looked real nice.) I was tempted to ask him about the GT V8 possibly being for sale, but figured it would be outrageously priced. The owner is no fool. He has a one-of-a-kind and knows it. I'm not enough of a collector to pay what that thing could bring on the open market. Plus, I have a 79 Roadster and 2 V8s and 2 Rover 5 speeds. I can put one of them together and get my thrills w/o paying top dollar for a car you would want to keep under wraps because of it's rarity. Just not my style. You can call John at 616-682-0800 and ask. Larry -------------------------------------------------- From: "don" Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 5:03 PM To: "Larry Daniels" ; "MG List" Subject: U.S. Spec MGB GT V8 > Hi Larry, > A B GT V8 would be my dream car- especially if it's all factory correct. > I > saw one at the Bromley Pageant of Motoring in the UK several years ago and > have seen them in books and magazines. Also, there was a guy in these > parts (Sacramento I think) who has a condition 1 restored factory B GT V8 > at the Dixon British car show, but he didin't convert it to LHD, which I > think was not wise if he has any plans to drive it here in the US (unless > he is a postal deliveryman). > I had a TR8, and now that I don't, I realize I should have kept it as the > aluminum 215 makes a small car into a rocket. TR8s are quite pleasant to > drive, even though the styling is a bit strange. > Are there any cars for sale at John's shop? I would like to find a nice > old steel dash MGB roadster. > Don Scott > 2001 Miata SE BRG (thinks it's an MG) > 1973 MGB GT (for sale) > 1962 MGA > > > At 08:16 AM 08/14/2009, Larry Daniels wrote: >>Yesterday I had the opportunity to stop at University Motors. As John >>Twist >>was showing me around, he pointed out a U.S. spec MGB GT V8. Honest! A >>1973 >>model with LHD, etc. >> >>He related that BL sent 8 of them over to the U.S. distributor to see if >>they >>wanted to sell them. The distributor was also handling Jags and TRs - >>both >>considered to be upmarket from MG - and thought the MGB V8 would upset the >>pecking order and hurt Jag sales. They declined and sent 7 of the 8 back >>to >>Jolly Old. This one remained here. It is owned by a guy in Ohio. >> >>By the way, John has lots and lots of used parts he needs to clear out, if >>you >>need anything. Mostly MGB and Spridget stuff. >> >>Larry >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.56/2302 - Release Date: 08/14/09 > 06:10:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 14 17:03:00 2009 From: "gordies garage" To: "MG List" Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:45:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] U.S. Spec MGB GT V8 Have a Brit in our car club (Michigan) who bought a BGT V8 new and then had it shipped here when he moved. Nice car. Gordie '62 MGA '67 BGT > Hi Larry, > A B GT V8 would be my dream car- especially if it's all factory correct. > I saw one at the Bromley Pageant of Motoring in the UK several years ago > and have seen them in books and magazines. Also, there was a guy in these > parts (Sacramento I think) who has a condition 1 restored factory B GT V8 > at the Dixon British car show, but he didin't convert it to LHD, which I > think was not wise if he has any plans to drive it here in the US (unless > he is a postal deliveryman). > I had a TR8, and now that I don't, I realize I should have kept it as the > aluminum 215 makes a small car into a rocket. TR8s are quite pleasant to > drive, even though the styling is a bit strange. > Are there any cars for sale at John's shop? I would like to find a nice > old steel dash MGB roadster. > Don Scott > 2001 Miata SE BRG (thinks it's an MG) > 1973 MGB GT (for sale) > 1962 MGA > > > At 08:16 AM 08/14/2009, Larry Daniels wrote: >>Yesterday I had the opportunity to stop at University Motors. As John >>Twist >>was showing me around, he pointed out a U.S. spec MGB GT V8. Honest! A >>1973 >>model with LHD, etc. >> >>He related that BL sent 8 of them over to the U.S. distributor to see if >>they >>wanted to sell them. The distributor was also handling Jags and TRs - >>both >>considered to be upmarket from MG - and thought the MGB V8 would upset the >>pecking order and hurt Jag sales. They declined and sent 7 of the 8 back >>to >>Jolly Old. This one remained here. It is owned by a guy in Ohio. >> >>By the way, John has lots and lots of used parts he needs to clear out, if >>you >>need anything. Mostly MGB and Spridget stuff. >> >>Larry _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 14 17:32:37 2009 From: Eric Erickson To: MG List Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 08:30:37 +0930 Subject: Re: [Mgs] U.S. Spec MGB GT V8 gordies garage wrote: > Have a Brit in our car club (Michigan) who bought a BGT V8 new and then > had it shipped here when he moved. > Nice car. > This is a stock (Costello) MGBGT V8 that belongs to a mate of mine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyKGhsp6yQM&feature=channel Eric _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 14 17:32:47 2009 From: Simon Matthews To: don Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:16:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] U.S. Spec MGB GT V8 On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 3:03 PM, don wrote: > Hi Larry, > A B GT V8 would be my dream car- especially if it's all factory correct. I > saw one at the Bromley Pageant of Motoring in the UK several years ago and > have seen them in books and magazines. Also, there was a guy in these parts > (Sacramento I think) who has a condition 1 restored factory B GT V8 at the > Dixon British car show, but he didin't convert it to LHD, which I think was > not wise if he has any plans to drive it here in the US (unless he is a > postal deliveryman). Having extensively driven a RHD cars on continental europe and a LHD car in the UK, I can tell you that havng the steering wheel on the correct side is overrated. The only real problem I found was at toll booths. Simon _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 14 22:01:32 2009 From: "oliver" To: "MG List" Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:32:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] U.S. Spec MGB GT V8 and passing. and drive thru's ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Matthews" To: "don" Cc: "MG List" Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] U.S. Spec MGB GT V8 > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 3:03 PM, don wrote: >> Hi Larry, >> A B GT V8 would be my dream car- especially if it's all factory correct. >> I >> saw one at the Bromley Pageant of Motoring in the UK several years ago >> and >> have seen them in books and magazines. Also, there was a guy in these > parts >> (Sacramento I think) who has a condition 1 restored factory B GT V8 at >> the >> Dixon British car show, but he didin't convert it to LHD, which I think >> was >> not wise if he has any plans to drive it here in the US (unless he is a >> postal deliveryman). > > Having extensively driven a RHD cars on continental europe and a LHD > car in the UK, I can tell you that havng the steering wheel on the > correct side is overrated. The only real problem I found was at toll > booths. > > Simon _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 14 22:30:13 2009 From: "Larry Daniels" To: "oliver" , "MG List" Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:11:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] U.S. Spec MGB GT V8 Since my RHD Austin A60 pickup weighs as much as an MGB and has a grand total of 61 HP, I don't worry much about seeing around cars that I would like to pass because my liking to pass them and my Ute's ability to pass them are two different things. But, yes, toll booths and drive-thrus are a royal pain in the butt. By the way, are there any roads in Chicagoland that are "not" in a state of reconstruction? Man, what a mess on the Chicago by-pass and 90 going to Rockford. It was bumper to bumper at 11 PM last night. Geez. Larry -------------------------------------------------- From: "oliver" Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:32 PM To: "MG List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] U.S. Spec MGB GT V8 > and passing. and drive thru's > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Simon Matthews" > To: "don" > Cc: "MG List" > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 6:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Mgs] U.S. Spec MGB GT V8 > > >> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 3:03 PM, don wrote: >>> Hi Larry, >>> A B GT V8 would be my dream car- especially if it's all factory correct. >>> I >>> saw one at the Bromley Pageant of Motoring in the UK several years ago >>> and >>> have seen them in books and magazines. Also, there was a guy in these >> parts >>> (Sacramento I think) who has a condition 1 restored factory B GT V8 at >>> the >>> Dixon British car show, but he didin't convert it to LHD, which I think >>> was >>> not wise if he has any plans to drive it here in the US (unless he is a >>> postal deliveryman). >> >> Having extensively driven a RHD cars on continental europe and a LHD >> car in the UK, I can tell you that havng the steering wheel on the >> correct side is overrated. The only real problem I found was at toll >> booths. >> >> Simon > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ladaniels@sbcglobal.net > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.56/2302 - Release Date: 08/14/09 > 06:10:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 14 23:16:27 2009 From: Charles Hill To: MG List Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:54:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] U.S. Spec MGB GT V8 In my experience as a TC owner and driver for many years, actual driving is not much different between RHD and LHD. The biggest problem is all the drive-thru stuff that is designed for someone in the left seat. Charles Hill _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 15 04:45:01 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Larry Daniels" , "MG List" Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:03:35 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Spring Shapng And the crucial phrase? "the professional will check the shop manual specs and make some measurements to help him determine the proper arch". Whilst the Workshop Manual contains size and loading information it all depends on the 'springiness' of the steel as to what free arch you need to get the correct loaded ride-height. I have my doubts as to how long cold bending will be effective, heating and retempering maybe, but even that depends on how the crystalline structure of the steel may have changed in the intervening 30 or so years. ----- Original Message ----- I know the subject of replacement leaf springs not being of the right curve has come up more than once. Here is an article on the subject from Old Cars Weekly. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 15 07:33:14 2009 From: Paul Root To: "Larry Daniels" Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 08:08:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] U.S. Spec MGB GT V8 Well, there are the roads in Chicago that are in the state of decomposition... On Aug 14, 2009, at 11:11 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: > Since my RHD Austin A60 pickup weighs as much as an MGB and has a > grand total of 61 HP, I don't worry much about seeing around cars > that I would like to pass because my liking to pass them and my > Ute's ability to pass them are two different things. But, yes, toll > booths and drive-thrus are a royal pain in the butt. > > By the way, are there any roads in Chicagoland that are "not" in a > state of reconstruction? Man, what a mess on the Chicago by-pass > and 90 going to Rockford. It was bumper to bumper at 11 PM last > night. Geez. > > Larry _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 15 08:16:08 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: , "mg list" , "mgt's" Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 14:53:20 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Urgent help needed Santa Cruz/LaBrea area Surely he can find someone to tow it out of the way? ----- Original Message ----- received an e-mail for a Chris Johnson who lives in Santa Cruz in the path of the fire that is burning down there and has received evacuation notice. He has a MGTD that he is desperately trying to get out of danger, but it has a dead fuel pump in it. I gave him information on a replacement pump to get him going (provided the car will start once fuel is pumping). If there is anyone in that area that can help him get the car going ... . __,_._,___ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 15 10:28:33 2009 From: "Sales at \" Just Brits \"" To: MG List Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:10:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] U.S. Spec MGB GT V8 <> Tsk, tsk Larry!! Had you ASKED me, I WOULD have shared that the above would NOT be a 'good' idea!!!! Ed PS: Guess you forgot where I live!?!? PPS: BTW; THAT mess WILL last thru the summer !?!? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 15 10:58:51 2009 From: "Sales at \" Just Brits \"" To: MG List Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:34:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] U.S. Spec MGB GT V8 <> Almost got it right, Paul !! We actually have a "sub-state" within The State of Illinois; The State of Continual Decomposition !!! It was felt necessary to 'create' the State about 30 years ago when Graft, Greed, Clout, Corruption, Politic, Pay-off, Bridges, Governor, & Mr. All-roads ALL met secretly and created The State so there was a governmental 'office' for them all to "hide behind" and use for Press/Media relations/announcements. The ONLY 'danger' the new State has sort of had to face during the Official History of The State (and they STILL could be facing) would be the on-going 'danger' that Blago vs U.S. Attorney General Pat Fitzgerald have 'created'. However, I do feel & believe that The State will overcome the 'danger' and continue to flourish !! Anon _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 15 11:13:28 2009 From: "Sales at \" Just Brits \"" To: MG List Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:54:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] U.S. Spec MGB GT V8 <> BTW Larry (and YOU should have known better ANYWAY), ANYWHERE in lower Chi Areas going in ANY northerly direction towards Cheezeland IS an insane thing to attempt on ANY summer Friday (starting at 1:00PM & continuing to 1:00AM). Ditto the reverse!! Trying to get from the rec areas of Cheezeland to (let's say) MY home on a Sunday late afternoon/evening is just as INSANE. I did it ONCE at least 20 years ago and have NOT even considered doing it again !!!! Me _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 15 11:44:44 2009 From: The Roxter To: MG List Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 12:28:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] U.S. Spec MGB GT V8 Charles Hill wrote: > In my experience as a TC owner and driver for many years, actual > driving is not much different between RHD and LHD. The biggest > problem is all the drive-thru stuff that is designed for someone in > the left seat. I used to drive my RHD Mini Cooper on the streets of Tulsa (I quit because the drivers are so bad here). When I needed to go to the bank or a fast food place, I would do a quick doughnut and drive through backwards. -The Roxter -- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 15 13:40:51 2009 From: rolindsay@yahoo.com To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:23:45 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] Clutch woes, resolved! Hello Friends, Just a couple of words to say thanks for the advice regarding my TR3's clutch hydraulics. The problem was just as a few of you described; an old, damaged flex line functioning like a non-return valve! Today, I replaced the line, bled the system and the clutch works perfectly. Thank you. Regards, -rick Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 15 19:39:56 2009 From: "Larry Daniels" To: "The Roxter" , "MG List" Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:32:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] U.S. Spec MGB GT V8 Damn, Rocky, I'm going to have to try that. That would be a blast to shake them up a bit by backing thru. Cool! -------------------------------------------------- From: "The Roxter" Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 12:28 PM To: "MG List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] U.S. Spec MGB GT V8 > Charles Hill wrote: >> In my experience as a TC owner and driver for many years, actual >> driving is not much different between RHD and LHD. The biggest >> problem is all the drive-thru stuff that is designed for someone in >> the left seat. > I used to drive my RHD Mini Cooper on the streets of Tulsa (I quit because > the drivers are so bad here). When I needed to go to the bank or a fast > food place, I would do a quick doughnut and drive through backwards. > > -The Roxter > -- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ladaniels@sbcglobal.net > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2304 - Release Date: 08/15/09 > 06:10:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 15 20:08:49 2009 From: Paul Root To: Mike Janacek Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:05:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet cover leaks Well, I worked on the car today. Got everything out easily enough. Even painted the tappet side of the engine with some engine paint I had lying around. Black. I have no idea where it came from. Unfortunately, I snapped a manifold stud. A couple of the others looked stretched and bad as well. Went to 3 auto parts stores and Ace hardware. Ace was closest to having what I needed, followed by Autozone. So I'm off to Quality Coaches on Monday. Meanwhile the car sits. Oh, the silicon gaskets didn't fit the rear cover at all. The car had silicon ones, and you could see were it was leaking. I managed to do some other work on it today as well. Greased the front end. Installed the headlight relays I bought last year. Nice easy kit. Even uses the right color wires. I got 4 relays (highs, lows, horn, and an extra, that I think I'll hook my fan up to). replaced the bushes of the transmission stay rod. These had rotted away to nothing. put in new carpet in the package tray. Just the cheap stuff I bought to replace the torn up sills carpet last year. It's just there for the mat I got from Vicky Brit to hold on to. I noticed that I need an alignment badly. Outsides are bad. Oh, I also had lost three nuts between the exhaust manifold and exhaust pipe. Opps. Ok, gotta get out the Moss catalog and figure out what parts I need. Other than the car is not drivable until at least Tuesday/Wednesday. It was a good day in the garage. Ok, Ed. If you can have parts to me Wednesday, I'll buy from you. Save me the trip to South Minneapolis. Ok, up to figure parts. Mostly studs. Paul. On Aug 13, 2009, at 4:53 AM, Mike Janacek wrote: > I'd only add to check the center bolt fittings (washer, bushing and > cup) for missing/worn parts and replace as needed. > Mike > '79B > > Paul Root wrote: >> I finally got around to power washing my engine so I could >> definitively tell that my slight oil leak was the tappet covers. >> >> Saturday, I'm going to replace the gasket on them. >> >> Are there any tricks or "been there, done that, don't do what I >> did"s? >> >> I figure it's >> Remove carbs >> Remove exhaust manifold >> remove covers >> clean covers >> scrap every bit of old gasket off covers >> make sure covers aren't warped >> gasket goo the gasket to the cover, let cure >> put on engine >> replace manifold >> replace carbs >> drive, be happy. >> >> >> I now return you to your regularly scheduled female chest >> discussion. :-) >> >> a Paul. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ptrmgb@gmail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 17 19:14:05 2009 From: "Ed Woods" To: Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:12:10 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Roadster brush seal List, I ordered both inner and outer seals for the '72 roadster door glass. Installed the inners (riveted) this afternoon. My questions concern the inner seals, called brush seals in the Moss catalog. My car does not appear to have ever had them. 1. Should a '72 roadster have these inner seals? 2. If so, how are they attached and to what are they attached? Thanks, Ed Woods _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 17 22:14:11 2009 From: "Councill, David" To: "Ed Woods" , Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:02:51 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Roadster brush seal They attach to the door caps which are actually made of wood and covered with vinyl. A quick picture of the door caps, parts 42 and 43 - http://www.englishparts.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_product=13519&assembl y=MGB-109 The door caps are held to the door by four screws. The inner fuzzy seals are nailed or stapled on. I think I had an upholstery shop attach mine when they covered the wooden door caps with new vinyl (about 3-4 years ago). David Councill 67 BGT 72 B 73 B -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Woods Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 7:12 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Roadster brush seal List, I ordered both inner and outer seals for the '72 roadster door glass. Installed the inners (riveted) this afternoon. My questions concern the inner seals, called brush seals in the Moss catalog. My car does not appear to have ever had them. 1. Should a '72 roadster have these inner seals? 2. If so, how are they attached and to what are they attached? Thanks, Ed Woods _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 18 06:44:06 2009 From: Matt Trebelhorn To: MG List Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:43:49 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] My car, the movie star Last weekend, some friends of my wife were in a contest called the 48 Hour Film Project. On Friday night, you're assigned a genre in which to work, and on sunday night there's a screening/competition. They were assigned "horror". This is more of a psychological thriller -- no blood and guts, just, uh, shadow puppets. But whatever. We had offered our cars, and on Friday night they asked to use my 1970 MGB. I got up at about 6 on Saturday morning and spent 3 hours washing and waxing the car, then drove 100+ miles to the shoot location. In retrospect, I should have spent some time on adjusting the valves, because the car sounds pretty clatter-y. Anyway, here's the resulting movie, posted by the director: http://www.vimeo.com/6145888 I think the car looks good, anyway. Oh, and as the car drives away from the camera, they cut just before the actress driving the car tries to shift into reverse. Two or three times. Matt _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 18 13:54:58 2009 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "Councill, David" , "Ed Woods" Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:53:45 +0200 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Roadster brush seal My 71 GT in this section being original does not have these seals. Only on the outside there are rubber seals. Cheers, Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Councill, David" To: "Ed Woods" ; Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:02 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Roadster brush seal > They attach to the door caps which are actually made of wood and covered > with vinyl. A quick picture of the door caps, parts 42 and 43 - > http://www.englishparts.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_product=13519&assembl > y=MGB-109 > The door caps are held to the door by four screws. > > The inner fuzzy seals are nailed or stapled on. I think I had an > upholstery shop attach mine when they covered the wooden door caps with > new vinyl (about 3-4 years ago). > > David Councill > 67 BGT > 72 B > 73 B _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 20 06:57:58 2009 From: "Alan Costich" To: Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:51:30 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Sabrina I know I'm a little late on this, but, someone mentioned Sabrina and TR6 in the same sentence. In the TR world, Sabrina was the nick-name given to an overhead cam TR engine. Supposedly there were only a few of these built by the factory for LeMans cars. See: and > I did see the one that Charles Runyan at The Roadster factory owns. Alan MG BGT #68 NOTICE: This message is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, Title 18, United States Code, Sections 2510-2521. This e-mail and any attached files are the exclusive property of Pictometry International Corp., are deemed privileged and confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual(s) or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not one of the named recipient(s) or believe that you have received this message in error, please delete this e-mail and any attachments and notify the sender immediately. Any other use, re-creation, dissemination, forwarding or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 20 07:10:02 2009 From: WSpohn4@aol.com To: alan.costich@pictometry.com, mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:04:39 EDT Subject: Re: [Mgs] Sabrina Yup. I did a bit of work on one, raced against it locally in mg MGA (and beat it) before it was sold back to England. Used to own a pair of the DU6 double barreled SUs too. Bill In a message dated 20/08/2009 5:57:43 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, alan.costich@pictometry.com writes: In the TR world, Sabrina was the nick-name given to an overhead cam TR engine. Supposedly there were only a few of these built by the factory for LeMans cars. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 20 09:55:12 2009 From: Barrie Robinson To: "Alan Costich" , Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:26:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Sabrina I knew the term "Sabrina" was given to something more like her superstructure! How on earth the name was mistakenly applied to those SQUARE shaped rubber bumper things beats me!! Now had they been silicone................. At 08:51 AM 8/20/2009, Alan Costich wrote: >I know I'm a little late on this, but, someone mentioned Sabrina and TR6 >in the same sentence. >In the TR world, Sabrina was the nick-name given to an overhead cam TR >engine. Supposedly >there were only a few of these built by the factory for LeMans cars. >See: > >and Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 20 10:40:04 2009 From: Max Heim To: MG List Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:38:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Sabrina Oh, come on... The concept is the same: prominent paired frontal protrusions. The difference is that hundreds of thousands of the bumpers were seen on multiple models on several continents, but only (what?) maybe half-a-dozen of the twincam Triumph engines were seen, only in racing pits. So it's not surprising that many more people are familar with the bumpers. As for the purported resemblance, well, the bumpers are certainly more prominent than those cam cover ends (conical though they may be), and you don't have to pop the lid for them to catch your eye... -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 8/20/09 8:26 AM, Barrie Robinson at barrie@look.ca wrote: > I knew the term "Sabrina" was given to something more like her > superstructure! How on earth the name was mistakenly applied to > those SQUARE shaped rubber bumper things beats me!! Now had they > been silicone................. > > > At 08:51 AM 8/20/2009, Alan Costich wrote: >> I know I'm a little late on this, but, someone mentioned Sabrina and TR6 >> in the same sentence. >> In the TR world, Sabrina was the nick-name given to an overhead cam TR >> engine. Supposedly >> there were only a few of these built by the factory for LeMans cars. >> See: >> >> and > > > > > Regards > > Barrie > (705) 721-9060 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 20 11:10:41 2009 From: "Sales at \" Just Brits \"" To: MG List Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:02:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Sabrina <> Depending on the Y.O.M. tho Max, could be a MUCH nicer 'eye-catcher', IMHO !!!! Anon PD: YOM = Year Of Manufacturer _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 20 13:41:04 2009 From: Jack Feldman To: Jody Kerr Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:37:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Healeys] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD I am using XP Home. I did mention knowing it doesn't work on Vista. Another reason not to upgrade. Thanks for the tip. Jack On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Jody Kerr wrote: > Jack, > > Are you running Windows Vista? There's a known issue where the > software won't work on the Vista platform. You have to use Windows XP > or earlier to make them work. > > Jody > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Jack Feldman > wrote: > > I picked up a copy of the MGC Manuals disk at the MGC gathering. I can't > get > > it to work. I can get through the ;menus, but when I try to open one of > the > > manual files I get the hour glass for about7 seconds, then nothing. I > > downloaded the latest version of Adobe Acrobat. Foxit just gave an error > > message when trying to open the files. > > > > A call to Moss reveled they no longer sell them. It may be because they > > aren't well made, or that *they don't work with Vista. > > * > > If you do get a copy, be sure you can return it. > > > > Jack > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Healeys@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys > > > > You are subscribed as jodyfkerr@gmail.com > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > > > -- > http://www.theymightberacing.com/ > 1953 Studebaker Champion > 1960 Austin Healey 3000 (BT7L/5479) > 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (14291) > 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (18854) > 1978 Triumph Spitfire (Mum's) > http://motors.shop.ebay.com/merchant/jodyfkerr <--I'm selling parts on > ebay! > > "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn > from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent > disinclination to do so." > --Douglas Adams _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 20 13:46:25 2009 From: Woerpel To: Jack Feldman , Spridgets@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:45:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD You're right. My SPRITE and MGA discs don't work on my 2 computers with Vista. They DO work on the old computer with XP. As Gilbert Gottfried would say, "Son of a Bitch!". Sigh. Progress. Dave W. Jack Feldman wrote: > I picked up a copy of the MGC Manuals disk at the MGC gathering. I can't get > it to work. I can get through the ;menus, but when I try to open one of the > manual files I get the hour glass for about7 seconds, then nothing. I > downloaded the latest version of Adobe Acrobat. Foxit just gave an error > message when trying to open the files. > > A call to Moss reveled they no longer sell them. It may be because they > aren't well made, or that *they don't work with Vista. > * > If you do get a copy, be sure you can return it. > > Jack > > don't work _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 20 15:03:12 2009 From: Max Heim To: MG List Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:59:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD This is a pretty ridiculous problem... The operating system should not affect whether Acrobat (actually, Adobe Reader is the name) can read PDF documents. And newer versions of Adobe Reader can always read older PDF documents, so that isn't the problem. Hmm, I wonder if the document on the CD is hard-coded to launch the version of Reader that is on the CD (which, being older, is not compatible with Vista)? I can think of two workarounds: copy the document files to your hard drive and eject the CD; or first launch your current version of Reader, then use the Open command to select the document on the CD. I mean, I can pop random CD-ROMs from the mid-90s into my new Mac running the latest OS and read the old PDF help documents, no problem. It just shouldn't be an issue... -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 8/20/09 12:45 PM, Woerpel at dwoerpel@wi.net wrote: > You're right. My SPRITE and MGA discs don't work on my 2 computers with > Vista. They DO work on the old computer with XP. > As Gilbert Gottfried would say, "Son of a Bitch!". > Sigh. Progress. > > Dave W. > > > > Jack Feldman wrote: >> I picked up a copy of the MGC Manuals disk at the MGC gathering. I can't get >> it to work. I can get through the ;menus, but when I try to open one of the >> manual files I get the hour glass for about7 seconds, then nothing. I >> downloaded the latest version of Adobe Acrobat. Foxit just gave an error >> message when trying to open the files. >> >> A call to Moss reveled they no longer sell them. It may be because they >> aren't well made, or that *they don't work with Vista. >> * >> If you do get a copy, be sure you can return it. >> >> Jack _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 20 15:40:51 2009 From: "Ron King" To: Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:34:14 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] MGs in the Limelight Have seen two instances now where MGBs have been part of an advertisement, and a model shoot: 1) the Red Hawk Casino in California has a commercial running showing a couple driving up to the casino in a white RB MGB, and 2) the model shoot has a lady sitting/laying over the front end of a white CB MGB, right-hand drive, with red interior. Question about the model shoot: the lady while not heavy is sitting on the front fender in some pictures, and laying across the hood/bonnet in others. I wouldn't think the hood/bonnet (especially the aluminum one) would support much weight at all. Because the car looks to be nicely restored, wouldn't expect the owner to take a chance for damage. Not a big deal one way or the other, just a casual observation. Comments? Ron King '71 MGB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 20 17:41:01 2009 From: "Councill, David" To: "MG List" Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:34:11 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD Max is correct on this. Now I'm not sure how the Heritage Trust Manual CD is set up but I do have the Landrover Rave CD (actually two of them) which may be similar. They both work on my Vista 64 bit machine just fine but the setup is a bit strange. The CD has to run on its own executable (rave.exe) which uses an archaic version of Adobe Acrobat (version 4) to display the workshop manual, owner handbook, and other documents. When I try to view the pdf files off the CD they will not work with the Adobe reader installed on my computer - says I need to go to Adobe's site to get a plugin which Adobe says is "not available". So everything has to run off the CD. The problem may be on how the computer runs "autoplay" on the CD but that's just speculation. Most of these type of programs/CDs are going to either html or pdf based files though which should make them compatible with most operating systems, barring various anti-piracy schemes to prevent circulation of the files themselves. David Councill 67 BGT 72 B 73 B 01 LandRover Discovery II -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Max Heim Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:59 PM To: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD This is a pretty ridiculous problem... The operating system should not affect whether Acrobat (actually, Adobe Reader is the name) can read PDF documents. And newer versions of Adobe Reader can always read older PDF documents, so that isn't the problem. Hmm, I wonder if the document on the CD is hard-coded to launch the version of Reader that is on the CD (which, being older, is not compatible with Vista)? I can think of two workarounds: copy the document files to your hard drive and eject the CD; or first launch your current version of Reader, then use the Open command to select the document on the CD. I mean, I can pop random CD-ROMs from the mid-90s into my new Mac running the latest OS and read the old PDF help documents, no problem. It just shouldn't be an issue... -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 20 17:57:26 2009 From: Dan DiBiase To: Ron King , Mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGs in the Limelight I would not think that most models would be able to dent the hood without jumping up and down on it! Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer '65 MGB Tourer (Project) NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ ________________________________ From: Ron King To: Mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:34:14 PM Subject: [Mgs] MGs in the Limelight Have seen two instances now where MGBs have been part of an advertisement, and a model shoot: 1) the Red Hawk Casino in California has a commercial running showing a couple driving up to the casino in a white RB MGB, and 2) the model shoot has a lady sitting/laying over the front end of a white CB MGB, right-hand drive, with red interior. Question about the model shoot: the lady while not heavy is sitting on the front fender in some pictures, and laying across the hood/bonnet in others. I wouldn't think the hood/bonnet (especially the aluminum one) would support much weight at all. Because the car looks to be nicely restored, wouldn't expect the owner to take a chance for damage. Not a big deal one way or the other, just a casual observation. Comments? Ron King '71 MGB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 20 18:26:51 2009 From: Max Heim To: MG List Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:20:47 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD Oh yeah, I forgot about Windows default autoplay -- I'd turn that off first thing. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 8/20/09 4:34 PM, Councill, David at dcouncill@msubillings.edu wrote: > Max is correct on this. Now I'm not sure how the Heritage Trust Manual > CD is set up but I do have the Landrover Rave CD (actually two of them) > which may be similar. They both work on my Vista 64 bit machine just > fine but the setup is a bit strange. The CD has to run on its own > executable (rave.exe) which uses an archaic version of Adobe Acrobat > (version 4) to display the workshop manual, owner handbook, and other > documents. When I try to view the pdf files off the CD they will not > work with the Adobe reader installed on my computer - says I need to go > to Adobe's site to get a plugin which Adobe says is "not available". So > everything has to run off the CD. The problem may be on how the computer > runs "autoplay" on the CD but that's just speculation. Most of these > type of programs/CDs are going to either html or pdf based files though > which should make them compatible with most operating systems, barring > various anti-piracy schemes to prevent circulation of the files > themselves. > > David Councill > 67 BGT > 72 B > 73 B > 01 LandRover Discovery II > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Max Heim > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:59 PM > To: MG List > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD > > This is a pretty ridiculous problem... The operating system should not > affect whether Acrobat (actually, Adobe Reader is the name) can read PDF > documents. And newer versions of Adobe Reader can always read older PDF > documents, so that isn't the problem. > > Hmm, I wonder if the document on the CD is hard-coded to launch the > version > of Reader that is on the CD (which, being older, is not compatible with > Vista)? I can think of two workarounds: copy the document files to your > hard > drive and eject the CD; or first launch your current version of Reader, > then > use the Open command to select the document on the CD. > > I mean, I can pop random CD-ROMs from the mid-90s into my new Mac > running > the latest OS and read the old PDF help documents, no problem. It just > shouldn't be an issue... > > > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Mountain View, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 20 18:28:00 2009 From: Max Heim To: MG List Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:23:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGs in the Limelight Oh yeah? I'd think a toddler could dent an aluminum B bonnet...even a cat... They are so soft and the center is completely unsupported. The steel bonnets are pretty rigid, however. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 8/20/09 4:53 PM, Dan DiBiase at d_dibiase@yahoo.com wrote: > I would not think that most models would be able to dent the hood without > jumping up and down on it! > > Dan D > Central NJ USA > '76 MGB Tourer > '65 MGB Tourer (Project) > NAMGBR #5-2328 > http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ > http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ > http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html > http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ron King > To: Mgs@autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:34:14 PM > Subject: [Mgs] MGs in the Limelight > > Have seen two instances now where MGBs have been part of an advertisement, > and a model shoot: 1) the Red Hawk Casino in California has a commercial > running showing a couple driving up to the casino in a white RB MGB, and 2) > the model shoot has a lady sitting/laying over the front end of a white CB > MGB, right-hand drive, with red interior. > > > > Question about the model shoot: the lady while not heavy is sitting on the > front fender in some pictures, and laying across the hood/bonnet in others. > I wouldn't think the hood/bonnet (especially the aluminum one) would support > much weight at all. Because the car looks to be nicely restored, wouldn't > expect the owner to take a chance for damage. Not a big deal one way or > the other, just a casual observation. Comments? > > > > Ron King > > '71 MGB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 20 18:41:25 2009 From: "Ron King" To: "'MG List'" Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:40:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGs in the Limelight I just thought the hoods/bonnets were pretty weak (obviously aluminum more so than steel) to the point where I'd not want anyone laying, sitting, or doing much of anything on them. Maybe the steel ones are stronger than I thought. Ron King '71 MGB -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Max Heim Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:23 PM To: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGs in the Limelight Oh yeah? I'd think a toddler could dent an aluminum B bonnet...even a cat... They are so soft and the center is completely unsupported. The steel bonnets are pretty rigid, however. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 8/20/09 4:53 PM, Dan DiBiase at d_dibiase@yahoo.com wrote: > I would not think that most models would be able to dent the hood without > jumping up and down on it! > > Dan D > Central NJ USA > '76 MGB Tourer > '65 MGB Tourer (Project) > NAMGBR #5-2328 > http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ > http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ > http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html > http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ron King > To: Mgs@autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:34:14 PM > Subject: [Mgs] MGs in the Limelight > > Have seen two instances now where MGBs have been part of an advertisement, > and a model shoot: 1) the Red Hawk Casino in California has a commercial > running showing a couple driving up to the casino in a white RB MGB, and 2) > the model shoot has a lady sitting/laying over the front end of a white CB > MGB, right-hand drive, with red interior. > > > > Question about the model shoot: the lady while not heavy is sitting on the > front fender in some pictures, and laying across the hood/bonnet in others. > I wouldn't think the hood/bonnet (especially the aluminum one) would support > much weight at all. Because the car looks to be nicely restored, wouldn't > expect the owner to take a chance for damage. Not a big deal one way or > the other, just a casual observation. Comments? > > > > Ron King > > '71 MGB You are subscribed as ronking@sbcglobal.net Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 20 19:13:19 2009 From: Max Heim To: MG List Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:12:58 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGs in the Limelight I certainly wouldn't step on one, but I imagine if I weighed 120lbs or so and just sat back gently and reclined on it, it wouldn't hurt anything... -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 8/20/09 5:40 PM, Ron King at ronking@sbcglobal.net wrote: > I just thought the hoods/bonnets were pretty weak (obviously aluminum more > so than steel) to the point where I'd not want anyone laying, sitting, or > doing much of anything on them. Maybe the steel ones are stronger than I > thought. > > Ron King > '71 MGB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Max Heim > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:23 PM > To: MG List > Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGs in the Limelight > > Oh yeah? I'd think a toddler could dent an aluminum B bonnet...even a cat... > They are so soft and the center is completely unsupported. > > The steel bonnets are pretty rigid, however. > > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Mountain View, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > > > on 8/20/09 4:53 PM, Dan DiBiase at d_dibiase@yahoo.com wrote: > >> I would not think that most models would be able to dent the hood without >> jumping up and down on it! >> >> Dan D >> Central NJ USA >> '76 MGB Tourer >> '65 MGB Tourer (Project) >> NAMGBR #5-2328 >> http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ >> http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ >> http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ >> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html >> http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Ron King >> To: Mgs@autox.team.net >> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:34:14 PM >> Subject: [Mgs] MGs in the Limelight >> >> Have seen two instances now where MGBs have been part of an advertisement, >> and a model shoot: 1) the Red Hawk Casino in California has a commercial >> running showing a couple driving up to the casino in a white RB MGB, and > 2) >> the model shoot has a lady sitting/laying over the front end of a white CB >> MGB, right-hand drive, with red interior. >> >> >> >> Question about the model shoot: the lady while not heavy is sitting on > the >> front fender in some pictures, and laying across the hood/bonnet in > others. >> I wouldn't think the hood/bonnet (especially the aluminum one) would > support >> much weight at all. Because the car looks to be nicely restored, > wouldn't >> expect the owner to take a chance for damage. Not a big deal one way or >> the other, just a casual observation. Comments? >> >> >> >> Ron King >> >> '71 MGB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 20 20:25:53 2009 From: "Sales at \" Just Brits \"" To: Mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:20:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGs in the Limelight Tsk, tsk, tsk Dan !!! <> Whilst most 'models' are lacking in the "Sabrina" areas I would still think canvas or StayFast COULD be 'dented' by a model !!! For once one WOULD want a warm day inorder to 'view' the dents from the cockpit ?!?!? Cold day and 'models' wouldn't stand a chance, IMHO!! Anon (from UK) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 20 20:31:10 2009 From: "oliver" To: "MG List" Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:23:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD vlc media player seems to play most things. and its free!!! http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Heim" To: "MG List" Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD > Oh yeah, I forgot about Windows default autoplay -- I'd turn that off > first > thing. > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Mountain View, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > > on 8/20/09 4:34 PM, Councill, David at dcouncill@msubillings.edu wrote: > >> Max is correct on this. Now I'm not sure how the Heritage Trust Manual >> CD is set up but I do have the Landrover Rave CD (actually two of them) >> which may be similar. They both work on my Vista 64 bit machine just >> fine but the setup is a bit strange. The CD has to run on its own >> executable (rave.exe) which uses an archaic version of Adobe Acrobat >> (version 4) to display the workshop manual, owner handbook, and other >> documents. When I try to view the pdf files off the CD they will not >> work with the Adobe reader installed on my computer - says I need to go >> to Adobe's site to get a plugin which Adobe says is "not available". So >> everything has to run off the CD. The problem may be on how the computer >> runs "autoplay" on the CD but that's just speculation. Most of these >> type of programs/CDs are going to either html or pdf based files though >> which should make them compatible with most operating systems, barring >> various anti-piracy schemes to prevent circulation of the files >> themselves. >> >> David Councill >> 67 BGT >> 72 B >> 73 B >> 01 LandRover Discovery II >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Max Heim >> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:59 PM >> To: MG List >> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD >> >> This is a pretty ridiculous problem... The operating system should not >> affect whether Acrobat (actually, Adobe Reader is the name) can read PDF >> documents. And newer versions of Adobe Reader can always read older PDF >> documents, so that isn't the problem. >> >> Hmm, I wonder if the document on the CD is hard-coded to launch the >> version >> of Reader that is on the CD (which, being older, is not compatible with >> Vista)? I can think of two workarounds: copy the document files to your >> hard >> drive and eject the CD; or first launch your current version of Reader, >> then >> use the Open command to select the document on the CD. >> >> I mean, I can pop random CD-ROMs from the mid-90s into my new Mac >> running >> the latest OS and read the old PDF help documents, no problem. It just >> shouldn't be an issue... >> >> >> >> -- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 21 01:02:12 2009 From: "Eric Frenken" To: "'Max Heim'" , "'MG List'" Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:56:29 +0200 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD Max, exactly this is the problem. I had the same problem, downgraded to an older Acrobat version (think it was 6 or 8) and voila, it worked. Eric http://brits-n-pieces.com ... And newer versions of Adobe Reader can always read older PDF documents, so that isn't the problem. ... -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 21 01:02:24 2009 From: "Eric Frenken" To: "'Councill, David'" , "'MG List'" Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:02:03 +0200 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD David, The protection was not very effective. I run the files without CD as simple pdfs on my computer. Eric http://brits-n-pieces.com ... barring various anti-piracy schemes to prevent circulation of the files themselves. David Councill 67 BGT 72 B 73 B 01 LandRover Discovery II _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 21 05:56:34 2009 From: Dan DiBiase To: sales@justbrits.com, Mgs@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGs in the Limelight Well, of course, I was speaking American here - when the OP said 'hood', he meant 'bonnet', as did I! Not 'hood' as in 'top'..... Wasn't trying to hoodwink you, Ed... er, 'Anon'..... ;-) How is the UK? Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer '65 MGB Tourer (Project) NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ ________________________________ From: "Sales at " Just Brits "" To: Mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:20:14 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGs in the Limelight Tsk, tsk, tsk Dan !!! <> Whilst most 'models' are lacking in the "Sabrina" areas I would still think canvas or StayFast COULD be 'dented' by a model !!! For once one WOULD want a warm day inorder to 'view' the dents from the cockpit ?!?!? Cold day and 'models' wouldn't stand a chance, IMHO!! Anon (from UK) You are subscribed as d_dibiase@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 21 06:41:21 2009 From: "DONALD TOY" To: Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:37:22 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] positive to negative ground Sages of the List, I know this has been covered time and time again, however I'd be pleased to hear the particulars one more time in detail. That way if I decide to go ahead with it I have a smaller chance of screwing it up. What is the procedure for changing over from positive ground to negative ground? I have a 1954 MG TF. I may want to install a radio and put a 12 Volt power socket for cell phone charging etc. Thanks in Advance, Don Toy 1954 MG TF Various Saabs of early 90's vintage Volvo S40 ( cash for clunkers replacement ) F250 King Ranch (currently visiting me with 2 horses home from college) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 21 07:56:45 2009 From: Jack Feldman To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:52:06 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD PART II As suggested, I'll go back to Adobe 6 and see what happens. MEANWHILE I emailed the Heritage Trust who's name is all over the box. *They said it wasn't their problem* and gave me the wrong email address to the compiler/manufacturer. Fortuntely he as a web site and was able to Google him and get the correct address. I am awaiting an answer. No wonder even Moss won't touch these disks any more. A great idea with bad execution. Actually I wont mind 6. I use Foxit. Jack _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 21 08:42:05 2009 From: "Councill, David" To: "Jack Feldman" , Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:38:54 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD PART II Jack, If you are at the Portland All British Field Meet again this year on Labor Day weekend, maybe I can see how the CD is set up and get it working for you. I'll have my laptop with Windows 7 (with Vista as a virtual machine as well) when I come to Portland and if I display a car, I could have it with me at the grounds. I haven't decided on a last minute entry. I'm picking up a 73B while in town that hasn't run for a decade or more (been under a tarp). Maybe it could win for "ugly"? Or one of my son's MkI MGBs - not sure if he has then running yet but I can use the trailer I'm renting to bring the 73B back to Montana. David -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack Feldman Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 7:52 AM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD PART II As suggested, I'll go back to Adobe 6 and see what happens. MEANWHILE I emailed the Heritage Trust who's name is all over the box. *They said it wasn't their problem* and gave me the wrong email address to the compiler/manufacturer. Fortuntely he as a web site and was able to Google him and get the correct address. I am awaiting an answer. No wonder even Moss won't touch these disks any more. A great idea with bad execution. Actually I wont mind 6. I use Foxit. Jack _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 21 08:56:57 2009 From: Bob Howard To: dontoy@comcast.net Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:38:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] positive to negative ground It's easy to do, though if all you need is power sockets for cel phone & other plug-in consumers, it is easier to install their sockets wired for Neg earth than to convert the car. To install the sockets, just be sure that socket is isolated from the car ( wooden block, insulation, etc) then wire the pos center post to the car's pos somewhere and the neg shell of the socket to the car's neg somewhere (near fuse connect with its own fuse would be OK). Check Barney Gaylord's and Paul Hunt's sites for information about connecting a radio, as earthing dissimilar devices is beyond me. To reverse polarity of the TF you reverse battery leads ( may find different sizes on cable ends), reverse wires on ammeter, "spark" the dynamo, and change the coil wires ( worth checking these whether you reverse polarity or not, as they are frequently incorrect). And, if you have transistor/diode modification to the clock, have it re-done to the new polarity. Bob On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:37:22 -0400 "DONALD TOY" writes: > Sages of the List, > I know this has been covered time and time again, however I'd be > pleased to > hear the particulars one more time in detail. That way if I decide > to go ahead > with it I have a smaller chance of screwing it up. What is the > procedure for > changing over from positive ground to negative ground? I have a 1954 > MG TF. I > may want to install a radio and put a 12 Volt power socket for cell > phone > charging etc. > Thanks in Advance, > Don Toy > 1954 MG TF > Various Saabs of early 90's vintage > Volvo S40 ( cash for clunkers replacement ) > F250 King Ranch (currently visiting me with 2 horses home from > college) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as mgbob@juno.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive > > ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFoYeLy5bjxdLkXhb55qG7bM5xFrAhsm6t9uXdYwavx5Rkbp8jp6I/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 21 08:58:43 2009 From: Jack Feldman To: "Councill, David" Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:58:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD PART II David, Thanks for the offer, but it won't work. Here is the reply from the manufacturer. I am not happy to get a product that won't work on my computer. Note they were only concerned about Vista, not requiring us to have a three generation old program on our computer. Jack ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello- Hopefully the following will help with running the CD more smoothly. System requirements for CDs are: Windows XP and 2000 - not Vista. Vista solution in the form of new CDs coming later in 2009. There will be no solution for older versions...these are not Vista compatible. Acrobat 6.0 and 7.0 - not 5.0, 8.0 or 9.0. Solution is to download 6.0 off the CD or from Adobe.com. Best Regards, Ellen --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Councill, David wrote: > Jack, > > If you are at the Portland All British Field Meet again this year on > Labor Day weekend, maybe I can see how the CD is set up and get it > working for you. I'll have my laptop with Windows 7 (with Vista as a > virtual machine as well) when I come to Portland and if I display a car, > I could have it with me at the grounds. > > I haven't decided on a last minute entry. I'm picking up a 73B while in > town that hasn't run for a decade or more (been under a tarp). Maybe it > could win for "ugly"? Or one of my son's MkI MGBs - not sure if he has > then running yet but I can use the trailer I'm renting to bring the 73B > back to Montana. > > David > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Jack Feldman > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 7:52 AM > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD PART II > > As suggested, I'll go back to Adobe 6 and see what happens. > > MEANWHILE I emailed the Heritage Trust who's name is all over the box. > *They > said it wasn't their problem* and gave me the wrong email address to the > compiler/manufacturer. Fortuntely he as a web site and was able to > Google > him and get the correct address. I am awaiting an answer. > > No wonder even Moss won't touch these disks any more. A great idea with > bad > execution. Actually I wont mind 6. I use Foxit. > > Jack _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 21 09:27:00 2009 From: "oliver" To: Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:21:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD PART II there are lots of non adobe products out there that read pdf files. i bet one of them would work. as for their head in the sand attitude . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Feldman" To: "Councill, David" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD PART II > David, > > Thanks for the offer, but it won't work. Here is the reply from the > manufacturer. I am not happy to get a product that won't work on my > computer. Note they were only concerned about Vista, not requiring us to > have a three generation old program on our computer. > > Jack > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hello- Hopefully the following will help with running the CD more > smoothly. > > System requirements for CDs are: > > Windows XP and 2000 - not Vista. Vista solution in the form of new CDs > coming later in 2009. There will be no solution for older > versions...these > are > not Vista compatible. > > Acrobat 6.0 and 7.0 - not 5.0, 8.0 or 9.0. Solution is to download 6.0 off > the CD or from Adobe.com. > > > Best Regards, > > Ellen > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Councill, David > wrote: > >> Jack, >> >> If you are at the Portland All British Field Meet again this year on >> Labor Day weekend, maybe I can see how the CD is set up and get it >> working for you. I'll have my laptop with Windows 7 (with Vista as a >> virtual machine as well) when I come to Portland and if I display a car, >> I could have it with me at the grounds. >> >> I haven't decided on a last minute entry. I'm picking up a 73B while in >> town that hasn't run for a decade or more (been under a tarp). Maybe it >> could win for "ugly"? Or one of my son's MkI MGBs - not sure if he has >> then running yet but I can use the trailer I'm renting to bring the 73B >> back to Montana. >> >> David >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Jack Feldman >> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 7:52 AM >> To: mgs@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD PART II >> >> As suggested, I'll go back to Adobe 6 and see what happens. >> >> MEANWHILE I emailed the Heritage Trust who's name is all over the box. >> *They >> said it wasn't their problem* and gave me the wrong email address to the >> compiler/manufacturer. Fortuntely he as a web site and was able to >> Google >> him and get the correct address. I am awaiting an answer. >> >> No wonder even Moss won't touch these disks any more. A great idea with >> bad >> execution. Actually I wont mind 6. I use Foxit. >> >> Jack _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 21 09:41:57 2009 From: Paul Root To: "oliver" Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:38:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD PART II Not to defend these guys, but to look at it from their perspective. They put out this CD when there was just XP and Adobe Reader 6.0 and 7.0. Since then Microsoft and Adobe have made some bad choices. And put out some crap software. It's not this companies responsibility to provide support for some other company's junk. I've been on the receiving end of customer expectations. They have an unstable mess of a Windows computer and they blame my well behaved (Unix) servers for their problems. So I have to fix their computers for them. I also have a nasty mess of a Unix server, but that's another story. People cringe when I go out of town, if that machine goes down, there are big problems. But no one is willing to put up money to get new hardware to split the 6-7 separate apps off the machine. I guess it's job security. On Aug 21, 2009, at 10:21 AM, oliver wrote: > there are lots of non adobe products out there that read pdf files. > i bet one of them would work. > > as for their head in the sand attitude . . . > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Feldman" > > To: "Councill, David" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 9:58 AM > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD PART II > > >> David, >> >> Thanks for the offer, but it won't work. Here is the reply from the >> manufacturer. I am not happy to get a product that won't work on my >> computer. Note they were only concerned about Vista, not requiring >> us to >> have a three generation old program on our computer. >> >> Jack >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Hello- Hopefully the following will help with running the CD more >> smoothly. >> >> System requirements for CDs are: >> >> Windows XP and 2000 - not Vista. Vista solution in the form of new >> CDs >> coming later in 2009. There will be no solution for older >> versions...these >> are >> not Vista compatible. >> >> Acrobat 6.0 and 7.0 - not 5.0, 8.0 or 9.0. Solution is to download >> 6.0 off >> the CD or from Adobe.com. >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Ellen _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 21 09:46:04 2009 From: "Eric Frenken" To: "'oliver'" , Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:45:47 +0200 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD PART II No, they won't, Oliver. They use a program called "hexalock" which "cooperates" with Adobe Reader to my knowledge. Like I and the creating company said, use an older version of the Adobe Reader. There'Ds one on the CD. Mine worked with that. Eric -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von oliver Gesendet: Freitag, 21. August 2009 17:21 An: mgs@autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD PART II there are lots of non adobe products out there that read pdf files. i bet one of them would work. as for their head in the sand attitude . . . _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 21 10:29:18 2009 From: Max Heim To: MG List Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:17:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD Apparently it's a Windows problem, then. Mac versions of Acrobat can read documents all the way back to version 1. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 8/20/09 11:56 PM, Eric Frenken at lists@brits-n-pieces.com wrote: > Max, > > exactly this is the problem. I had the same problem, downgraded to an older > Acrobat version (think it was 6 or 8) and voila, it worked. > > Eric > http://brits-n-pieces.com > > > > ... And newer versions of Adobe Reader can always read older PDF > documents, so that isn't the problem. > > ... > > > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Mountain View, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 21 11:18:44 2009 From: Steven Trovato To: mgs@autox.team.net, mgs@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:18:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD PART II I went to the hexalock website and I found something that they say will let their stuff work with vista: http://hexalock.co.il/support/faq/ It's the first question. I have no idea of this works, but perhaps it is worth a try. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 11:46 AM 8/21/2009, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: >No, they won't, Oliver. They use a program called "hexalock" which >"cooperates" with Adobe Reader to my knowledge. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 21 11:26:54 2009 From: Steven Trovato To: mgs@autox.team.net, mgs@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:21:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD PART II Oops. I think it's actually the third question down that addresses "already made disks". -Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 21 13:16:03 2009 From: Barrie Robinson To: "Ron King" , Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:30:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGs in the Limelight Ron, I heard that the people who use the cars for shoots just do not care a damn about them. I had an acquaintance who rented his pristine Jaguar for an advert shoot. He visited the site and was horrified to see his pride and joy being used to transport lighting equipment. Another I heard was told his car would be driven by a "hand" and he said "no". So they got him to drive it and he got paid for that too !! At 05:34 PM 8/20/2009, Ron King wrote: >Have seen two instances now where MGBs have been part of an advertisement, >and a model shoot: 1) the Red Hawk Casino in California has a commercial >running showing a couple driving up to the casino in a white RB MGB, and 2) >the model shoot has a lady sitting/laying over the front end of a white CB >MGB, right-hand drive, with red interior. > > > >Question about the model shoot: the lady while not heavy is sitting on the >front fender in some pictures, and laying across the hood/bonnet in others. >I wouldn't think the hood/bonnet (especially the aluminum one) would support >much weight at all. Because the car looks to be nicely restored, wouldn't >expect the owner to take a chance for damage. Not a big deal one way or >the other, just a casual observation. Comments? > > > >Ron King > >'71 MGB >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >You are subscribed as barrie@look.ca > > >Mgs@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 21 13:24:59 2009 From: Simon Matthews To: Steven Trovato Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:21:54 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD PART II Let me also suggest that the following Google search mught be useful: http://www.google.com/search?q=hexalock%20crack&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 Simon On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Steven Trovato wrote: > I went to the hexalock website and I found something that they say will let > th _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 21 13:39:16 2009 From: Matthew Milkevitch To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD PART II Has anyone been able to get these Heritage CD manuals to work on a Mac? Matt Milkevitch'74 MGB-GT --- On Fri, 8/21/09, Steven Trovato wrote: From: Steven Trovato Subject: Re: [Mgs] Beware Heritage Trust Manuals on CD PART II To: mgs@autox.team.net, mgs@autox.team.net Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 1:18 PM I went to the hexalock website and I found something that they say will let their stuff work with vista: http://hexalock.co.il/support/faq/ It's the first question. I have no idea of this works, but perhaps it is worth a try. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 11:46 AM 8/21/2009, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: >No, they won't, Oliver. They use a program called "hexalock" which >"cooperates" with Adobe Reader to my knowledge. You are subscribed as mmilkevitch@yahoo.com Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 21 21:02:51 2009 From: "Roger Wilt" To: Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:02:20 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Help! Engine block full of gas The 74 MGB was on front jack stands awaiting new clutch slave cylinder so I thought I would work on an electrical gremlin with the hazard lights. I was switching the ignition switch off and on during this process but it became very late and didn't realize I left the switch in the on position until I got home from work and smelled gas everywhere in the garage. I assume that because the front end was up the floats didn't shut off and pumped gas into the cylinders all night. I drained 3-4 gallons of gas /oil mixture but not sure what to do next. Anyone have this experience? What to do next? Any damage done?? Thanks. Roger Columbus OH 51 TD 74 MGB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 21 21:43:53 2009 From: Richard Ewald To: Roger Wilt Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:43:33 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Help! Engine block full of gas Just drain it and fill it with oil and you should be good to go. Way back in the days of yore, mechanical fuel pumps on 'Merican cars would get a hole in the diaphragm and would fill crankcase with gas. No biggie, just drain it out and refill. If it were me, I would check the needle and seats in your carbs, even with the front end up, I would think the gas should have not filled the crankcase. Rick On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Roger Wilt wrote: > The 74 MGB was on front jack stands awaiting new clutch slave cylinder so I > thought I would work on an electrical gremlin with the hazard lights. I was > switching the ignition switch off and on during this process but it became > very late and didn't realize I left the switch in the on position until I > got > home from work and smelled gas everywhere in the garage. I assume that > because > the front end was up the floats didn't shut off and pumped gas into the > cylinders all night. I drained 3-4 gallons of gas /oil mixture but not sure > what to do next. Anyone have this experience? What to do next? Any damage > done?? Thanks. > Roger > Columbus OH > 51 TD > 74 MGB > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as richard.ewald@gmail.com > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 22 04:26:14 2009 From: Eric Erickson To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:47:21 +0930 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Help! Engine block full of gas Roger Wilt wrote: > The 74 MGB was on front jack stands awaiting new clutch slave cylinder so I > thought I would work on an electrical gremlin with the hazard lights. I was > switching the ignition switch off and on during this process but it became > very late and didn't realize I left the switch in the on position until I got > home from work and smelled gas everywhere in the garage. I assume that because > the front end was up the floats didn't shut off and pumped gas into the > cylinders all night. I drained 3-4 gallons of gas /oil mixture but not sure > what to do next. Anyone have this experience? What to do next? Any damage > done?? Thanks. Don't light a cigarette while you think about it! Eric '68 MGB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 22 09:39:38 2009 From: "Brits'n'Pieces \(Eric Frenken\)" To: "'Roger Wilt'" , Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:35:39 +0200 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Help! Engine block full of gas Roger, I once had the same problem. Had 2 cars (TDs) shipped from Down Under to Europe. They put one car level in the container and built a kind of crate to put the other halfway above the first, rear up. They didn't empty the tank before although the shipping company requested to do so. When I went to pick up the cars (wanted to drive them home with a friend) one engine block was flooded with fuel. I towed it with the running TD to the nearest gas station, drained the block, filled it with oil, ran it some 20 miles, drained it again and filled with fresh oil. That was 20 years ago and car still runs. Eric -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger Wilt Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:02 AM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Help! Engine block full of gas The 74 MGB was on front jack stands awaiting new clutch slave cylinder so I thought I would work on an electrical gremlin with the hazard lights. I was switching the ignition switch off and on during this process but it became very late and didn't realize I left the switch in the on position until I got home from work and smelled gas everywhere in the garage. I assume that because the front end was up the floats didn't shut off and pumped gas into the cylinders all night. I drained 3-4 gallons of gas /oil mixture but not sure what to do next. Anyone have this experience? What to do next? Any damage done?? Thanks. Roger Columbus OH 51 TD 74 MGB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 22 10:26:51 2009 From: "oliver" To: Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:23:54 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] when to change oil again hi, all. last spring we bought a car which had been sitting in a garage for 30 years. replaced all the fluids, hoses, hydraulics, and related items, had gas tank refurbed, etc. we just got the car running and driving a couple of weeks ago. any recommendations on when we should change the oil again? do i need to do that soon or can i wait until i've put a few thousand miles on it? thanks! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 22 15:26:49 2009 From: MGTD51 To: mgs mgs Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:26:47 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] British Parts Northwest Any one use this vendor? Any comments? Thanks, Larry Swift _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 22 16:09:57 2009 From: "Councill, David" To: "MGTD51" , "mgs mgs" Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:05:31 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgs] British Parts Northwest >From my limited experience, they are a good company to work with. They are a fairly small company based in Oregon (NW USA) and are Moss resellers. I have bought a few items from them when on sale or when I am in Portland. If I lived in Portland (my son does), I would buy quite a bit more of my car needs from them. Instead, I have to order mail order anytime I need something since I live in Montana so I tend to buy from the Moss resellers on this list. Actually I have only had a problem with one vendor (Victoria British) and haven't ordered from then since, about 20 years ago. David Councill 67 BGT 72 B 73 B -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MGTD51 Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:27 PM To: mgs mgs Subject: [Mgs] British Parts Northwest Any one use this vendor? Any comments? Thanks, Larry Swift _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 22 16:56:41 2009 From: Mark J Bradakis To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:57:08 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgs] British Parts Northwest We deal with them on occasion at Bailey's, mostly we go through Moss. Mike never has told me any figures for an approximate annual volume we do with Moss. I imagine between the parts we get for in-house repairs and what we offer as a reseller there aren't too many other places, if any, that do more business with Moss in Utah, Idaho area. But BPNW carries good stuff and has great service, I do recommend them. I think there's a favorable comment or two in Chris K.'s Monster List, http://www.dimebank.com/monster mjb. PS: Thanks to those of you who have recently made use of the link to http://www.team.net/donate.html - I do appreciate it! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 22 23:01:49 2009 From: Mark J Bradakis To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:03:56 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Mgs] List interruption I think I have all the AOL folks back on the list as before. If you're an AOL subscriber and you didn't get this email, let me know ;-) Monday, August 24, the local power company will be doing some work in my neighborhood. Power may be off here at the house for several hours. I'll be shutting down the servers that morning, and they could be off until later that afternoon. So if you send off a message and don't see it for a while, or you can't get to the archives or forums, be patient, things will get back to normal. mjb. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 23 14:58:45 2009 From: cyberemp@comcast.net To: MG LIST Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:58:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Mgs] British Parts Northwest I've used them several times also. no complaints, will use them again. no commercial interest, blah blah blah. Eric Peterson Subject: [Mgs] British Parts Northwest To: mgs mgs < mgs@autox.team.net > Message-ID: < 4A906297.4010505@comcast.net > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Any one use this vendor? Any comments? Thanks, Larry Swift _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 24 10:56:21 2009 From: Bob Howard To: sumton@sbcglobal.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:31:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] when to change oil again Hi Oliver, Chances are that there is a load of asphalt that has formed from dispersed solids in the old oil settling out during the 30 year sleep. New oil may be dissolving the solids and pumping them around. We don't know---we can't see in there. Oil & filters are inexpensive. Main bearing replacement in the XPAG engine means an engine removal. I would change the oil after an hour and again after five hours of running. Bob On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:23:54 -0500 "oliver" writes: > hi, all. > > last spring we bought a car which had been sitting in a garage for > 30 years. > > replaced all the fluids, hoses, hydraulics, and related items, had > gas tank > refurbed, etc. > > we just got the car running and driving a couple of weeks ago. > > any recommendations on when we should change the oil again? do i > need to do > that soon or can i wait until i've put a few thousand miles on it? > > thanks! ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? 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It's a mid year '72 by the way. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 24 17:56:02 2009 From: Paul Root To: "Ed Woods" Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:15:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB speedo cable path Through the firewall on passenger (LHD) side, I believe. I don't have an overdrive, so it may be different, but I don't remember going through the cross member. On Aug 24, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Ed Woods wrote: > Hi Bob, > > I'm under the car again, installing the speedo cable. It runs from > the overdrive, through a clamp located on the removeable cross > member then ???? > > Where does it pass through the body shell into the passenger > compartment? > > Thanks, > > Ed > > P.S. There's no way this cable could utilize a right angle drive at > the overdrive. No room. And there's a notch on the fixed cross > member that's obviously there to ease the passage of this cable, not > to mention the clamp on the bolted cross member. It's a mid year '72 > by the way. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 24 19:03:34 2009 From: Bob Howard To: fogbro1@comcast.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:48:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB speedo cable path Hi Ed, Moss catalogue shows the right-angle drive for the type LH overdrives, but my '72 GT did not have one when I bought it a decade back and seems happy w/o the right-angle drive. Mine passes is routed parallel to the gearbox, rises at the bell housing, passes through the firewall just below the right (passenger) side of the heater box in the \____/ section (looking straight down) of the firewall. I don't know that that is the factory-installed position, but it works well enough there. Bob On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:13:27 -0400 "Ed Woods" writes: > Hi Bob, > > I'm under the car again, installing the speedo cable. It runs from > the > overdrive, through a clamp located on the removeable cross member > then ???? > > Where does it pass through the body shell into the passenger > compartment? > > Thanks, > > Ed > > P.S. There's no way this cable could utilize a right angle drive at > the > overdrive. No room. And there's a notch on the fixed cross member > that's > obviously there to ease the passage of this cable, not to mention > the clamp > on the bolted cross member. It's a mid year '72 by the way. > > > ____________________________________________________________ Shop & save on the supplements you want. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTORD04ru2D2Q5bLddDoNC1T7LuLaOG31zpbf4gntf9MLDB5wsNrRe/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 25 05:52:45 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:34:35 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGs in the Limelight In one episode of Fifth Gear (which is naff and only watched if there is absolutely anything else on 150 cable channels ...) had a presenter sitting on the roof and bonnet of three cars he was talking about, new from the manufacturers, and left visible dents in all of them. ----- Original Message ----- I would not think that most models would be able to dent the hood without jumping up and down on it! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 25 06:21:47 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Roger Wilt" , Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:54:43 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Help! Engine block full of gas One or both of the floats are faulty, it shouldn't have leaked just with the front on stands. You've quite likely cooked the ignition coil as well, and flattened the battery, unless you happened to have turned the engine manually and ended up in a position where the points were open, an engine almost always stops with them closed. Some electronic ignition systems protect the coil in this event, in various ways. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- ... I left the switch in the on position until I got home from work and smelled gas everywhere in the garage... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 25 06:21:49 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "DONALD TOY" , Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:50:11 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] positive to negative ground Installing the opposite polarity radio is tricky as the cases are almost always at ground potential and would have to be insulated from the body of the car. That would still leave any metalwork on the front of the radio likely to be live, and awaiting keys or whatever to short it to other metalwork in the vicinity. Radios produced around the time of the change had polarity change switches or plugs fitted. An accessory socket (cigar lighter) is much easier to mount insulated from the body to be used for negative ground devices but where you want the car to remain original i.e. positive ground, but an alternative for those is to wire the socket as it is supposed to be i.e. centre pin to live i.e. negative and body to ground i.e. positive then use a full-wave bridge rectifier in a little insulated box between that and your negative ground devices. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- ... I have a 1954 MG TF. I may want to install a radio and put a 12 Volt power socket for cell phone charging etc. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 25 06:51:53 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Ed Woods" Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:32:07 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB speedo cable path I depends on whether you have an angle-drive at the gearbox or not (originally it seems all cars did). If you do then it just lies alongside the gearbox travelling forwards. If not then it has to take a gentle curve away from the side of the tailshaft before going forwards. It can then go up through a hole at the top of what is the rest for the clutch foot of RHD cars, see http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/images/vent3.jpg, it is the near vertical cable entering the cabin between the heater vent and the steering column. LHD cars with this arrangement probably should have a second angle drive on the back of the speedo to allow the cable to pass across the back of the dash without a tight bend, but some LHD cars probably have the cable entering the cabin on the left-hand i.e. speedo side so don't need this for the same reason RHD cars don't. PaulH ----- Original Message ----- Where does it pass through the body shell into the passenger compartment? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 25 07:01:54 2009 From: aekell@aol.com To: paul.hunt1@blueyonder.co.uk, dontoy@comcast.net, mgs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:01:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] positive to negative ground and what about the ground side of the antenna? Alan -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hunt To: DONALD TOY ; mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Aug 25, 2009 7:50 am Subject: Re: [Mgs] positive to negative ground Installing the opposite polarity radio is tricky as the cases are almost always at ground potential and would have to be insulated from the body of the car. That would still leave any metalwork on the front of the radio likely to be live, and awaiting keys or whatever to short it to other metalwork in the vicinity. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 25 09:21:52 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: , , Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:54:55 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] positive to negative ground I've never measured it but I understood aerial cable sheathing is only earthed at one end (the radio) so as to prevent currents passing through it from radio to body which will inject interference into the central conductor and hence the tuner, something which the sheathing is designed to prevent. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- and what about the ground side of the antenna? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 25 15:54:26 2009 From: Simon Matthews To: Paul Hunt Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:53:51 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGs in the Limelight Some years back, Citroen advertised the introduction of the BX model with its fibreglass bonnet. They showed a man standing on it and although it bent, it went back into shape after the weight was removed. Unfortunately, not all the cars were built with fibreglass bonnets -- some had steel bonnets, which led to expensive mistakes when some owners attempted to duplicate the bonnet-walking shown in the adverts. Simon On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:34 AM, Paul Hunt wrote: > In one episode of Fifth Gear (which is naff and only watched if there is > absolutely anything else on 150 cable channels ...) had a presenter sitting on > the roof and bonnet of three cars he was talking about, new from the > manufacturers, and left visible dents in all of them. > ----- Original Message ----- > > > I would not think that most models would be able to dent the hood without > jumping up and down on it! > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 25 20:38:50 2009 From: Barney Gaylord To: "DONALD TOY" , Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:33:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] positive to negative ground At 08:37 AM 8/21/2009 -0400, DONALD TOY wrote: >.... >.... What is the procedure for changing over from positive ground to >negative ground? I have a 1954 MG TF. I may want to install a radio >and put a 12 Volt power socket for cell phone charging etc. >.... Since no one seems to have provided all the right answers, see here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/et202.htm This is specifically for MGA, but should be the same for the MG TF. If you want to install a negative earth radio in a positive earth car (or vice versa), do NOT atttempt to isolate the case form the dash panel. That might work for a while, but there are multiple ways to accidentally short the case to the dash and blow a fuse or burn wires. For the proper way to do it see here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/et207.htm Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 26 00:26:42 2009 From: don To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:18:01 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Vintage MGA racer on BAT This is pretty cool . . . http://bringatrailer.com/2009/08/25/collier-cup-winner-then-now-1957-mga-029/ Don Scott Calistoga, CA USA 1962 MGA 1973 MGB GT (for sale) 2001 Miata SE BRG _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 26 02:58:27 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:31:05 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGs in the Limelight *Many* years ago Tomorrow's World demonstrated the strength of fibre-glass bodies by having someone belt wings and bonnet with a sledge-hammer to little effect. It was only when they took an axe to it that some damage started to appear. However attacks on cars by sledge-hammer and axe-wielding lunatics are fortunately quite rare, and fibre-glass acts completely differently in an motor accident. The wife of a friend was momentarily dazzled by sun as she pulled out of a side road and ended up mounting the kerb and hitting a lamp post in his Scimitar GTE at quite a low speed. She wasn't wearing a seat-belt as she was eight months pregnant and had been advised against it, and neither her nor the baby were injured. However the front half of the bodywork exploded in a shower of fibre-glass fragments covering the ground for yards around like snow. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Some years back, Citroen advertised the introduction of the BX model with its fibreglass bonnet. They showed a man standing on it and although it bent, it went back into shape after the weight was removed. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 26 04:37:27 2009 From: Richard Gosling To: Paul Hunt Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:36:57 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGs in the Limelight "The wife of a friend was momentarily dazzled by sun as she pulled out of a side road and ended up mounting the kerb and hitting a lamp post in his Scimitar GTE at quite a low speed. She wasn't wearing a seat-belt as she was eight months pregnant and had been advised against it, and neither her nor the baby were injured. However the front half of the bodywork exploded in a shower of fibre-glass fragments covering the ground for yards around like snow." Well, there's not much integrity in the fibreglass of a Scimitar, but by all accounts the chassis has all the solidity (and much of the weight) of the SS Great Britain. If that had been a Lotus, however... Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 26 07:07:16 2009 From: Dan DiBiase To: MG List , mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] Headlight I need to get a new headlight for the B. The low beam is burned out on the driver's side. Anyone running anything other than a standard sealed-beam? I plan to purchase it at my FLAPS. Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer '65 MGB Tourer (Project) NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ twitter: dandibiase _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 26 08:02:50 2009 From: Barney Gaylord To: Dan DiBiase ,MG List Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:00:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Headlight At 06:07 AM 8/26/2009 -0700, Dan DiBiase wrote: >I need to get a new headlight for the B. The low beam is burned out >on the driver's side. Anyone running anything >other than a standard sealed-beam? I plan to purchase it at my FLAPS. >.... Sylvania or GE halogen sealed beams from your local discount department store for under $10 each. They will light up a stop sign from half a mile away in the dark. Try these first, and you may never justify the cost of anything more expensive. I don't know if you can even buy the original type incandescent sealed beams any more, but it would be a waste of money if you could. Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 26 08:25:15 2009 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "Simon Matthews" , "Paul Hunt" Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:24:38 +0200 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGs in the Limelight Yep, I owned 2 of these very comfy BX stationwagons. Back in the early sixties Trabant advertised on TV with people walking on the roof of their newly introduced 600 model. People danced on the roof actually. The complete 2-stroke engined car was made out of some kind of plastic. Was produced in the DDR till 1992. Cheers, Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Matthews" To: "Paul Hunt" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGs in the Limelight > Some years back, Citroen advertised the introduction of the BX model > with its fibreglass bonnet. They showed a man standing on it and > although it bent, it went back into shape after the weight was > removed. > > Unfortunately, not all the cars were built with fibreglass bonnets -- > some had steel bonnets, which led to expensive mistakes when some > owners attempted to duplicate the bonnet-walking shown in the adverts. > > Simon > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:34 AM, Paul Hunt > wrote: >> In one episode of Fifth Gear (which is naff and only watched if there is >> absolutely anything else on 150 cable channels ...) had a presenter >> sitting > on >> the roof and bonnet of three cars he was talking about, new from the >> manufacturers, and left visible dents in all of them. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> I would not think that most models would be able to dent the hood >> without >> jumping up and down on it! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 26 08:32:24 2009 From: "Frank Krajewski" To: "MGList" Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:29:41 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] 67 B for sale Just another reminder that there is a pristine 1967 MGB for sale locally and the owner asked if I knew anyone interested. I have no financial interest in the car, just trying to help a friend. If you are interested, call Bill Bassett(401-539-7218) at Bassett's Jaguars. It is his wife's car which accounts for its outstanding condition. He is asking $13k. Frank Krajewski _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 26 09:27:17 2009 From: Paul Root To: "Frank Krajewski" Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:26:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 67 B for sale Frank, you didn't tell anyone what "locally" is. I seem to remember Pennsylvania, or Maine. Makes a difference. On Aug 26, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Frank Krajewski wrote: > Just another reminder that there is a pristine 1967 MGB for sale > locally and > the owner asked if I knew anyone interested. I have no financial > interest in > the car, just trying to help a friend. If you are interested, call > Bill > Bassett(401-539-7218) at Bassett's Jaguars. It is his wife's car which > accounts for its outstanding condition. He is asking $13k. > Frank Krajewski > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 26 10:26:35 2009 From: Carl French To: Paul Root Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] 67 B for sale Frank lives in RI Carl --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Paul Root wrote: From: Paul Root Subject: Re: [Mgs] 67 B for sale To: "Frank Krajewski" Cc: "MGList" Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 11:26 AM Frank, you didn't tell anyone what "locally" is. I seem to remember Pennsylvania, or Maine. Makes a difference. On Aug 26, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Frank Krajewski wrote: > Just another reminder that there is a pristine 1967 MGB for sale locally and > the owner asked if I knew anyone interested. I have no financial interest in > the car, just trying to help a friend. If you are interested, call Bill > Bassett(401-539-7218) at Bassett's Jaguars. It is his wife's car which > accounts for its outstanding condition. He is asking $13k. > Frank Krajewski > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 26 11:02:51 2009 From: Bob Howard To: d_dibiase@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:45:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Headlight Dan, Mine are $10-12 Wagner bulbs that work great. They are better than the older, standard incandescent, and once relays were installed they became better yet. Bob On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Dan DiBiase writes: > I need to get a new headlight for the B. The low beam is burned out > on the driver's side. Anyone running anything > other than a standard sealed-beam? I plan to purchase it at my > FLAPS. > > Dan D > Central NJ USA > '76 MGB Tourer > '65 MGB Tourer (Project) > NAMGBR #5-2328 > http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ > http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ > http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ > http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ > twitter: dandibiase ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFoYcZsXe9u35mfkQgQxPCrTg0pn75ggpl6Bfq2cnsDx6TtEFSere/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 26 14:49:40 2009 From: Larry Colen To: Paul Hunt Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:49:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Urgent help needed Santa Cruz/LaBrea area I just saw this, I wish I had seen it earlier, as I live a few miles from there and have a car trailer. I hope the car made it. Very few buildings were damaged in the fire, so chances are pretty good. I'm not quite sure why you said Santa Cruz/la Brea as La Brea is by San Diego. -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com http://www.red4est.com/lrc _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 26 15:18:24 2009 From: Larry Colen To: MG List Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:13:57 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] What is this VIN plate from I think/hope that it's from my '64 spridget HAN8L-58089 -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com http://www.red4est.com/lrc _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 26 17:12:49 2009 From: "Eric Markley" To: "Larry Colen" , "MG List" Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:12:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] What is this VIN plate from A HAN8 would be a mid 64 to end of 66 model. Eric -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Larry Colen Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 5:14 PM To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] What is this VIN plate from I think/hope that it's from my '64 spridget HAN8L-58089 -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com http://www.red4est.com/lrc Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.67/2326 - Release Date: 08/25/09 18:07:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 27 02:29:59 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Richard Gosling" Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:03:43 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGs in the Limelight Maybe, maybe not. The wings and outer shell are pretty substantial, but the floor is quite thin and the chassis is hour-glass shaped. I did hear one story during my ownership of one of a full frontal impact where the passengers legs went through the floor, then the chassis concertinaed, the cross-rails came forwards and chopped his legs off. ----- Original Message ----- Well, there's not much integrity in the fibreglass of a Scimitar, but by all accounts the chassis has all the solidity (and much of the weight) of the SS Great Britain. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 27 02:34:24 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Dan DiBiase" , "MG List" , Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:19:40 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Headlight Whatever you get if you increase the wattage then you would be well advised to fit relays and fuses (one per filament). 30-year-old switches and connectors are bad enough without increasing the demand on them, and in fact if you add relays and fuses to existing headlamps you will almost certainly improve the illumination. You might like to have a look at http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/wn_electricsframe.htm and click on 'Lighting' and 'Uprated Headlamps ...'. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- I need to get a new headlight for the B. The low beam is burned out on the driver's side. Anyone running anything other than a standard sealed-beam? I plan to purchase it at my FLAPS. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 27 04:49:35 2009 From: "Frank Krajewski" To: "MGList" , "Paul Root" Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:48:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 67 B for sale A big OOPs on my part Paul. Sorry. The B is in Rhode Island, area code 401. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Root" To: "Frank Krajewski" Cc: "MGList" Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] 67 B for sale > Frank, you didn't tell anyone what "locally" is. > > I seem to remember Pennsylvania, or Maine. > > Makes a difference. > > > On Aug 26, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Frank Krajewski wrote: > >> Just another reminder that there is a pristine 1967 MGB for sale >> locally and >> the owner asked if I knew anyone interested. I have no financial >> interest in >> the car, just trying to help a friend. If you are interested, call >> Bill >> Bassett(401-539-7218) at Bassett's Jaguars. It is his wife's car which >> accounts for its outstanding condition. He is asking $13k. >> Frank Krajewski >> >> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 27 09:36:24 2009 From: "Robert J. Guinness" To: MG List Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:36:23 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Replacing Brake pads on an MGA Does anyone have any practical tips on replacing the front disc brake pads on an MGA? I cannot get the new pads in because the space taken by the old pads is not wide enough for the new pads. The manual says to clamp the piston, but any clamps I have get in the way. Anyone have a web reference to a video or photo references that may help a first-timer through this process? Thanks. -- Robert Guinness 1961 MGA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 27 10:56:49 2009 From: WSpohn4@aol.com To: guinness@stclegal.com, mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:53:51 EDT Subject: Re: [Mgs] Replacing Brake pads on an MGA You need to lever the pistons back into the calipers. There exist special clamps to do this but I have never seen a set. The easiest way to accomplish your goal is to use something to lever against the piston (evenly and so as not to cause damage). I have used various levers including a suspension 'pickle fork' ball joint separator. Whatever works, but only one side at a time - leave the other pad in so the other one can't come out. Bill In a message dated 8/27/2009 8:36:43 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, guinness@stclegal.com writes: Does anyone have any practical tips on replacing the front disc brake pads on an MGA? I cannot get the new pads in because the space taken by the old pads is not wide enough for the new pads. The manual says to clamp the piston, but any clamps I have get in the way. Anyone have a web reference to a video or photo references that may help a first-timer through this process? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 27 11:25:26 2009 From: Steven Trovato To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:24:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Replacing Brake pads on an MGA Keep in mind that you are pushing brake fluid backward through the system, back to the master cylinder. Take off the master cylinder cap and make sure there is enough room in there for the returning fluid. If not, take some out. If someone has topped off the brake fluid at some point, there will be too much when the pistons are pushed in. Leave the cap off and monitor the level as you push the piston in. Remember, spilled brake fluid is very bad for paint, unless you are using silicone. Here is an example of a tool used for pushing in pistons: http://www.etoolcart.com/brakepadspreaderlis24400.aspx I don't know if it will work for an MGA. Mine is a 1500 with drums all around. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 12:53 PM 8/27/2009, WSpohn4@aol.com wrote: >You need to lever the pistons back into the calipers. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 27 12:13:56 2009 From: don To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:13:25 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Replacing Brake pads on an MGA >It's been a long time since I have messed with MGA or MGB calipers, but . . . Easiest way to get the pistons to go inward is to use a small c-clamp which you can get at a hardware store. Use a 1/2 inch or so socket as a spacer inside the recess of the piston. With the clamp, you can push the piston inward easily. Not sure if this relates to MGAs, but it sure works on Bs. Been too long since I did anything on MGA brakes to remember if the front disc assembly is similar to MGBs. Don Scott 1962 MGA Mk II 2001 Miata 1973 MGB GT (for sale) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 27 18:45:04 2009 From: "gordies garage" To: Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:44:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Replacing Brake pads on an MGA I've always just used a C clamp and one of the used brakepads. I've done this on my MG, Audis, and any other car I'm replacing pads on. Rear calipers require a different tool as the piston must turn as it is pushed back into the caliper. Works great. Gordie '62 MGA '67 BGT couple of old Audis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Trovato" To: Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Replacing Brake pads on an MGA > Keep in mind that you are pushing brake fluid backward through the system, > back to the master cylinder. Take off the master cylinder cap and make > sure there is enough room in there for the returning fluid. If not, take > some out. If someone has topped off the brake fluid at some point, there > will be too much when the pistons are pushed in. Leave the cap off and > monitor the level as you push the piston in. Remember, spilled brake > fluid is very bad for paint, unless you are using silicone. > > Here is an example of a tool used for pushing in pistons: > > http://www.etoolcart.com/brakepadspreaderlis24400.aspx > > I don't know if it will work for an MGA. Mine is a 1500 with drums all > around. > > -Steve Trovato > strovato@optonline.net > > > At 12:53 PM 8/27/2009, WSpohn4@aol.com wrote: >>You need to lever the pistons back into the calipers. > > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 27 19:22:09 2009 From: Patrick Harris <1962mga1600mkii@bellsouth.net> To: Robert J. Guinness Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:17:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Replacing Brake pads on an MGA Remove some of the fluid from the reservoir otherwise pressing the pistons back into the caliper will force extra fluid into the reservoir resulting in overflow. Remove the pads. Take a 12 in Crescent wrench. Open the jaws of the crescent wrench just a little. Stick the HANDLE of the Crescent wrench between the disk and the piston (in the caliper); contact should be at the center of the piston. Put a screwdriver blade or the handle of another wrench into the jaws of the 1st wrench. Twist the screwdriver, causing the handle of the Crescent wrench to rotate against both the disk and the piston. Slow and steady and the piston will retreat. When released the piston should move out of the caliper just a "smidgen" but still leave enough room to put a pad in. Under no circumstance should the brake pedal be depressed when the pads are not in the caliper; that would cause at least one of the pistons to be pushed out of the caliper. Good luck, Pat On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:36 AM, Robert J. Guinness wrote: > Does anyone have any practical tips on replacing the front disc > brake pads on an MGA? I cannot get the new pads in because the > space taken by the old pads is not wide enough for the new pads. > The manual says to clamp the piston, but any clamps I have get in > the way. Anyone have a web reference to a video or photo references > that may help a first-timer through this process? Thanks. > -- > Robert Guinness > 1961 MGA > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 27 19:59:15 2009 From: Mark J Bradakis To: MG List Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:58:47 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Replacing Brake pads on an MGA Opening the bleed screw on the caliper will make it easier to push in the pistons, as well as getting rid of some of the older fluid and possible water that has accumulated. mjb. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 27 22:09:02 2009 From: Glenn Schnittke To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:08:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 67 B for sale I don't know the market up there, but $13k seems a lot for even a pristine B, unless it's an important chassis number with matching etceteras or a racing or concours provenance. Glenn > > Frank, you didn't tell anyone what "locally" is. > > > > I seem to remember Pennsylvania, or Maine. > > > > Makes a difference. > > > > > > On Aug 26, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Frank Krajewski wrote: > > >> >> Just another reminder that there is a pristine 1967 MGB for sale >> >> locally and >> >> the owner asked if I knew anyone interested. I have no financial >> >> interest in >> >> the car, just trying to help a friend. If you are interested, call >> >> Bill >> >> Bassett(401-539-7218) at Bassett's Jaguars. It is his wife's car which >> >> accounts for its outstanding condition. He is asking $13k. >> >> Frank Krajewski -- Be careful when you deal with old hippies. They can be real touchy. - Ferris Bueller _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 27 22:14:20 2009 From: Richard Ewald To: Steven Trovato Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:14:01 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Replacing Brake pads on an MGA The tool shown is for a sliding caliper. It will not work on a fixed caliper which is what MGs have. It really isn't that hard. Check the level in the master, remove fluid as needed. Jack up car, and place jack stands underneath. Remove the wheel Remove the hair pins and the two large pins from the caliper take a pair of medium sized channel lock pliers grab the top of the pad backing plate, and the edge of the caliper. Squeeze the pliers to gain some clearance between the pad and rotor. Take a large screwdriver and place the blade between the pad and the rotor. Pry the pad back forcing the piston into the bore. Depending on the size channel locks you have you might be able to do this with just the pliers, but a big screwdriver works great. You need the piston all the way back in the bore. Take a small wire brush and clean the bottom and top of the caliper where the pad backing plate rides. spray the area clean with brake clean. since there is an excellent chance that there may be some asbestos int he dust, wear a mask, and I suggest gloves. Check the rubber boot around the piston for tears, cracks or fluid leakage. if you find any of these, time for a caliper rebuild or replacement. Assuming all is OK, insert the pad on that side of the caliper. repeat with the other pad on that caliper Slide the big pins back in and replace the small hair pins. Check the fluid level in the master remove fluid as necessary Repeat on the other side When you are all done, it is not a bad idea to flush the brake fluid, so you might want to do that also. Rick On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Steven Trovato wrote: > Keep in mind that you are pushing brake fluid backward through the system, > back to the master cylinder. Take off the master cylinder cap and make sure > there is enough room in there for the returning fluid. If not, take some > out. If someone has topped off the brake fluid at some point, there will be > too much when the pistons are pushed in. Leave the cap off and monitor the > level as you push the piston in. Remember, spilled brake fluid is very bad > for paint, unless you are using silicone. > > Here is an example of a tool used for pushing in pistons: > > http://www.etoolcart.com/brakepadspreaderlis24400.aspx > > I don't know if it will work for an MGA. Mine is a 1500 with drums all > around. > > -Steve Trovato > strovato@optonline.net > > > At 12:53 PM 8/27/2009, WSpohn4@aol.com wrote: > >> You need to lever the pistons back into the calipers. >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 27 22:36:57 2009 From: Glenn Schnittke To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:31:06 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Replacing Brake pads on an MGA You might want to take some careful measurements of the pad thickness. A close friend of mine got some Classic Gold pads from Moss recently for his TR4 that turned out to be too thick and not ground parallel and wound up putting them on the belt sander to get them to fit. He does like the feel of them, but getting them to fit was not watching daisies in the outfield. That said, any general purpose c-clamp should be sufficient to compress the pistons into the calipers far enough to fit the pads in. Start with a large flat blade screwdriver with the pads in place to get the pistons far enough apart to fit the c-clamp in. Bear in mind that as you compress the pistons the fluid will back up into the master cylinder and you need to keep an eye on the reservoir level and be prepared to remove fluid from the MC as it builds up. I use turkey basters that I can usually find in the kitchen drawers since my wife courteously replaces them from time to time. A wrap of electrical tape around the joint between the bulb and the tube shuts off the airflow to avoid bubbles and also lets my wife know that she shouldn't use that one on a turkey. Twenty years with one girl has a lot to be said for it. Glenn > Subject: [Mgs] Replacing Brake pads on an MGA > To: MG List > Message-ID: <4A96A7F7.5030204@stclegal.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Does anyone have any practical tips on replacing the front disc brake > pads on an MGA? I cannot get the new pads in because the space taken by > the old pads is not wide enough for the new pads. The manual says to > clamp the piston, but any clamps I have get in the way. Anyone have a > web reference to a video or photo references that may help a first-timer > through this process? Thanks. > -- Robert Guinness 1961 MGA -- Be careful when you deal with old hippies. They can be real touchy. - Ferris Bueller _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 28 05:52:10 2009 From: "Sales at \" Just Brits \"" To: Glenn Schnittke Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 06:52:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Replacing Brake pads on an MGA <> Gospel, Glen !!!! Gospel !! And of course, NEVER let her know you used the oven to 'cure' some freshly painted parts !!!! BTDT (Shuuuuuusssshhh!!) LOL Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 28 06:35:47 2009 From: "Sales at \" Just Brits \"" To: 4 - Healeys , 4 - Spridgets Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 07:31:25 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [Fwd: Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... Awesome V10 BMW build] This just in from a Frogeye Shop Owner in Oz !!!! *UN-REAL !!!!!* Whilst NON-LBC it is just UN-believable !!!! Enjoy !! -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... Awesome V10 BMW build Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:55:18 +1000 From: Colin Dodds Reply-To: bugeye AT yahoogroups.com G'day all Amazing fabrication at work. Check out the welding on the exhaust system. It's no robot that did that, and it's unbelievable. I really admire people who can do this sort of shit! Colin http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4515333&page=1 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 29 10:07:17 2009 From: "Howard Battan" To: Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 09:04:57 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] New wings question Hi folks. I just received four new wings for my '57 MGA, and need some advice. While the front wings are bare metal, the rear wings are painted with a black semi gloss paint. Is this a rust preventing paint, or should it be removed to bare metal before proceeding normally? Thanks Howard Battan '54 MGTF '57 MGA '79 MGB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 29 12:39:03 2009 From: "Eric J Russell" To: Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:33:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] New wings question Typically that paint is cheap lacquer - adequate to keep it from rusting in storage & during shipping but not a good substrate otherwise. Eric Russell Mebane, NC http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell ----- Original Message ----- > > Hi folks. I just received four new wings for my '57 MGA, and need some > advice. While the front wings are bare metal, the rear wings are painted > with a black semi gloss paint. Is this a rust preventing paint, or should > it > be removed to bare metal before proceeding normally? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 29 23:25:31 2009 From: rabeys@aol.com To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 01:24:34 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] (no subject) I recently pulled my engine and transmission and went through and cleaned, painted and replaced anything that needed replacing.? I went to start the car and nothing.? I have power to the lights, and the ignition warning lamp comes on.? The wiring seems to be correct.? I did not hear the usual "click" of the solenoid.? The fuel pump even engages and is pumping.? But no "click".? The battery and starter were tested and are fine.? I have 2 engine grounds.? One from the transmission to the body and another from the engine block to the body.?? Both are good connections and good wires. I m almost positive I have experienced this problem before, but I am simply at a loss and cant think straight after working on this car every day of my past couple weekends.? I even traded out solenoids.? Both are not brand new,? so I suppose both could be bad, but I just doubt it.? Is there a ground under the dash that I am missing and would be applicable. Any ideas??? Stephanie _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 30 08:22:21 2009 From: tmcnam4510@aol.com To: rabeys@aol.com, mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:18:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] (no subject) Hey Stephanie, it sounds like the circuit from the ignition switch "start" position and the solinoid is not completed.? Regards, Tom -----Original Message----- From: rabeys@aol.com To: mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2009 1:24 am Subject: [Mgs] (no subject) I recently pulled my engine and transmission and went through and cleaned, painted and replaced anything that needed replacing.? I went to start the car and nothing.? I have power to the lights, and the ignition warning lamp comes on.? The wiring seems to be correct.? I did not hear the usual "click" of the solenoid.? The fuel pump even engages and is pumping.? But no "click".? The battery and starter were tested and are fine.? I have 2 engine grounds.? One from the transmission to the body and another from the engine block to the body.?? Both are good connections and good wires. I m almost positive I have experienced this problem before, but I am simply at a loss and cant think straight after working on this car every day of my past couple weekends.? I even traded out solenoids.? Both are not brand new,? so I suppose both could be bad, but I just doubt it.? Is there a ground under the dash that I am missing and would be applicable. Any ideas??? Stephanie Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 30 11:43:12 2009 From: Paul Root To: MG List Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:40:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] THE WOODSTOCK (NY) BRITISH CAR MEET - SATURDAY, SEPT. 26 I used to live about 3 miles from there, on Rte 212. It sure would have been fun having a LBC when I lived there. On Aug 30, 2009, at 11:59 AM, rfeibusch1@earthlink.net wrote: > Second Annual > WOODSTOCK BRITISH CAR MEET > (British motorcycles & pre-1980 European cars invited too) > > SATURDAY, SEPT. 26 > 10 am to 4 pm > (Rain Date: Sunday, September 27) > > Woodstock Playhouse > Intersection of Route 212 and Route 375, Woodstock, NY > > Join more than 100 British car owners for a smashing display of > classic, quirky, and lovable British classics, right in the heart of > Woodstock New York and the Catskill Mountains. > > Don't have a show car? Don't worry! Projects-in-progress, daily > drivers, and vintage racers are just as welcome as Concours > d'Elegance show cars. If it's British, bring it! > > Cars will enter the field starting at 10 am, and the fun goes on all > day. Around 2 pm, we'll present awards, including People's Choice > and the Longest Distance Traveled. > > Spectators are welcome, and FREE parking is available. The heart of > the picturesque historic hamlet of Woodstock is just minutes' walk > from the Playhouse, offering shops, > restaurants, live music, and much more. > > The registration fee for British cars is $15 per car at the gate; > there is no pre-registration. > All proceeds from this event benefit the Woodstock Playhouse ( a non- > profit org. ) > > Food and Refreshments will be available > > DIRECTIONS > >> From NYS Thruway / I-87: Take Exit 19 (Kingston) and head west on >> Route 28 for 5.8 miles (Speed Trap - stay under 50 mph) then turn >> right onto Route 375 North, which will end 2.9 miles later at Route >> 212 and the Playhouse. > >> From Saugerties (Exit 20) Take Route 212 West into the hamlet of >> Woodstock. The intersection of Route 375 will be on your left; the >> Playhouse entrance is on your right. > >> From points west: Take Route 28 East to Route 375 North. Travel 2.9 >> miles, and the road will end at Route 212 and the Playhouse. > > FOR MORE INFORMATION: e-mail Woodstock.British@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 30 12:40:29 2009 From: To: "MG List" Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:38:37 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] ZDDP - Again! There is some confusion in my mind regarding the use of Brad Penn oil I got that contains ZDDP. I ordered it specifically for my 1980 MGB LE, 1964 MGB and my 1958 MGA. I was feeling quite satisfied until today when I read the back of the quart of Brad Penn oil where it reads, "can be detrimental to cars and trucks with catalytic converters." My confusion stems from the fact that my 1980 LE does have a catalytic converter. My quandry is thus, do I use it and not worry about burning out the cat since the car old enough not to require inspection in Rhode Island. That way my lifers, push rods, etc.are properly lubed. Or do I not use it to save my cat? In the past when Castrol contained zddp I never thought twice about the harmful effect on the cat. Should I have been? Frank Krajewski _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 30 13:58:01 2009 From: Paul Osborne To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:56:13 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Brake Fluid Clean Up Nasty stuff . what are you using to clean up the leaked fluid ???? -- Paul Osborne University of Rochester Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering 201 Hopeman Building RC Rochester New York 14627 585-275-5226 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 30 14:44:06 2009 From: "Sales at \" Just Brits \"" To: Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:40:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] ZDDP - Again! Hi Frank, been awhile !! << Or do I not use it to save my cat? >> Ever seen the insides of the MGB cat ?? I have and IMHO you CAN'T hurt an original one !! I'm thinking that by the time even got close to 10 years old, the think is just a hollow 'can' !! Every one I have seen (mostly for exhaust system work has been just that: a hollow can. About the only way you can check on is to remove the down-pipe then the 'can' from the boat anchor exhaust manifold and just look thru it. You curiosity level that HIGH ?? LOL BTW, if anybody NEEDS one of those "boat anchor exhaust manifold", contact me off list as I DO have an excellent one. Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 30 15:17:26 2009 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 23:08:21 +0200 Subject: [Mgs] Starter solenoid main connecting point Hi listers, Apparantly the 71 BGT's starter has been taken out of the car once to many during the last years engine overhaul. During the last drives I noticed the starter sometimes responded with just a click or somewhat lower starting revs. Funny thing is this was accompanied by a signing sound. (I now know it may well have come from sparks) Slowely this becomae worse, so I started troubleshooting. Easiest was to have the battery tested. This is in a good shape still as the battery guy told me, so I started to look at the starter. Now I found all wire connectors on the main connecting rod being lose. So I tried to tighten the nut, but this was no success. So after loosening the nut and connectors, I found the thread was gone. I also found this was no standard screw thread type, but the solenoid connecting point was made out of copper. Has anyone dealt with this before? If so, what was the remedy? The local car electrics specialist told me, the solenoid is to be replaced completely. Thanks in advance. Cheers, Hans 71BGT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 30 15:43:17 2009 From: Max Heim To: MG List Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:20:15 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] ZDDP - Again! That would be a 1st gen cat. I think the warning applies more to current cats, which are more sensitive. But then, a 1980 MB may burn more oil than a newer car, too. on 8/30/09 11:38 AM, frankk12@verizon.net at frankk12@verizon.net wrote: > There is some confusion in my mind regarding the use of Brad Penn oil I got > that contains ZDDP. I ordered it specifically for my 1980 MGB LE, 1964 MGB and > my 1958 MGA. I was feeling quite satisfied until today when I read the back of > the quart of Brad Penn oil where it reads, "can be detrimental to cars and > trucks with catalytic converters." My confusion stems from the fact that my > 1980 LE does have a catalytic converter. > My quandry is thus, do I use it and not worry about burning out the cat since > the car old enough not to require inspection in Rhode Island. That way my > lifers, push rods, etc.are properly lubed. Or do I not use it to save my cat? > In the past when Castrol contained zddp I never thought twice about the > harmful effect on the cat. Should I have been? > Frank Krajewski > -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 30 15:45:45 2009 From: Max Heim To: MG List Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:37:31 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Starter solenoid main connecting point Well, one "tightwad" solution would be to run a smaller size die down the stud, and fit a smaller nut. But you should check to see if the thread is still good near the end of the stud -- usually it only strips where the nut sits. If so, you could just pile on 2 or 3 thick washers, to move the nut out to the good part of the thread. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 8/30/09 2:08 PM, Hans Duinhoven at h.duinhoven@planet.nl wrote: > Hi listers, > > Apparantly the 71 BGT's starter has been taken out of the car once to many > during the last years engine overhaul. > During the last drives I noticed the starter sometimes responded with just a > click or somewhat lower starting revs. > Funny thing is this was accompanied by a signing sound. (I now know it may > well have come from sparks) > Slowely this becomae worse, so I started troubleshooting. > Easiest was to have the battery tested. > This is in a good shape still as the battery guy told me, so I started to > look at the starter. > Now I found all wire connectors on the main connecting rod being lose. So I > tried to tighten the nut, but this was no success. So after loosening the > nut and connectors, I found the thread was gone. > I also found this was no standard screw thread type, but the solenoid > connecting point was made out of copper. > > Has anyone dealt with this before? > If so, what was the remedy? > The local car electrics specialist told me, the solenoid is to be replaced > completely. > > Thanks in advance. > > Cheers, > > Hans > 71BGT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 30 16:57:42 2009 From: "Sales at \" Just Brits \"" To: 4 - Jensen-Cars , 4 - MG Ts Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:48:45 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] VERY interesting article Hope you folks 'enjoy' !!!! http://www.carlectro.com/node/33 Anon _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 30 16:58:35 2009 From: rolindsay@yahoo.com To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:50:00 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] Update, NMGC Hello Friends, I don't want to eat much of your bandwidth but a number of you will be pleased to know that I took the maiden drive in my TR3 last weekend! 10+ years after it was parked, my latest project is now a functional car. -rick Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 30 17:31:38 2009 From: Paul Root To: rolindsay@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:30:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Update, NMGC Way to go Rick! I felt good getting my B back on the road after 2 weeks when I started my tappet cover project. I can't imagine what it'd feel like to resurrect a car after 10 years. On Aug 30, 2009, at 5:50 PM, rolindsay@yahoo.com wrote: > Hello Friends, > > I don't want to eat much of your bandwidth but a number of you will > be pleased to know that I took the maiden drive in my TR3 last > weekend! 10+ years after it was parked, my latest project is now a > functional car. > > -rick > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 30 21:42:43 2009 From: Glenn Schnittke To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:35:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] (no subject) let's call it Ignition Trouble Tom has a good point. I've had two ignition switches fail on me and both of them puzzled the dickens out of me. Check that you're getting full voltage from the starter back to the ignition switch output to the solenoid. Chances are you'll find a zero reading turn to 12v at some point. You may get lucky and find it's one of the Lucar connectors. If that's it, I've found that a .17 or .22 gauge (.17 will last longer) brass barrel brush fits quite nicely to clean out the female side of the connector and Scotchbrite for the male side. In fact, one of the switches that didn't work was brand new. I wound up ripping into one of the old ones and cleaning it. It's the one I'm using now in a different car. You can't do that on a Lexus. Glenn > Subject: [Mgs] (no subject) > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Message-ID: <8CBF7494B18B9C7-FE4-C0CB@webmail-d060.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I recently pulled my engine and transmission and went through and cleaned, painted and replaced anything that needed replacing.? I went to start the car and nothing.? I have power to the lights, and the ignition warning lamp comes on.? The wiring seems to be correct.? I did not hear the usual "click" of the solenoid.? The fuel pump even engages and is pumping.? But no "click".? The battery and starter were tested and are fine.? I have 2 engine grounds.? One from the transmission to the body and another from the engine block to the body.?? Both are good connections and good wires. > > > > I m almost positive I have experienced this problem before, but I am simply at a loss and cant think straight after working on this car every day of my past couple weekends.? I even traded out solenoids.? Both are not brand new,? so I suppose both could be bad, but I just doubt it.? Is there a ground under the dash that I am missing and would be applicable. > > -- Be careful when you deal with old hippies. They can be real touchy. - Ferris Bueller _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 31 06:44:42 2009 From: Steve To: Paul Root Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 08:38:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Update, NMGC Congrats Rick! Paul... I'll tell you in 10 years when I finally get to mine ;-) On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Paul Root wrote: > Way to go Rick! I felt good getting my B back on the road after 2 weeks > when I started my tappet cover project. I can't imagine what it'd feel like > to resurrect a car after 10 years. > > > > On Aug 30, 2009, at 5:50 PM, rolindsay@yahoo.com wrote: > >> Hello Friends, >> >> I don't want to eat much of your bandwidth but a number of you will be >> pleased to know that I took the maiden drive in my TR3 last weekend! 10+ >> years after it was parked, my latest project is now a functional car. >> >> -rick >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 31 07:47:50 2009 From: Dan DiBiase To: rolindsay@yahoo.com, mgs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 06:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Update, NMGC Good deal, Rick. So what's the next project car going to be?! Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer '65 MGB Tourer (Project) NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ twitter: dandibiase ________________________________ From: "rolindsay@yahoo.com" To: mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 6:50:00 PM Subject: [Mgs] Update, NMGC Hello Friends, I don't want to eat much of your bandwidth but a number of you will be pleased to know that I took the maiden drive in my TR3 last weekend! 10+ years after it was parked, my latest project is now a functional car. -rick Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 31 11:01:00 2009 From: Barrie Robinson To: Paul Root ,rolindsay@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:23:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Update, NMGC Paul, Do I get a prize for having a project in the wings for 22 years? - but now under way with a vengenace! At 07:30 PM 8/30/2009, Paul Root wrote: >Way to go Rick! I felt good getting my B back on the road after 2 >weeks when I started my tappet cover project. I can't imagine what >it'd feel like to resurrect a car after 10 years. > > > >On Aug 30, 2009, at 5:50 PM, rolindsay@yahoo.com wrote: > >>Hello Friends, >> >>I don't want to eat much of your bandwidth but a number of you will >>be pleased to know that I took the maiden drive in my TR3 last >>weekend! 10+ years after it was parked, my latest project is now a >>functional car. >> >>-rick >>Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>Mgs@autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs >> >>http://www.team.net/archive > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mgs@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 31 11:33:14 2009 From: Rick Lindsay To: Paul Root , Barrie Robinson Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Update, NMGC Only if you share lots of photographs! :-) --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Barrie Robinson wrote: > From: Barrie Robinson > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Update, NMGC > To: "Paul Root" , rolindsay@yahoo.com > Cc: mgs@autox.team.net > Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 11:23 AM > Paul, > > Do I get a prize for having a project in the wings for 22 > years? - > but now under way with a vengenace! > > > At 07:30 PM 8/30/2009, Paul Root wrote: > >Way to go Rick! I felt good getting my B back on > the road after 2 > >weeks when I started my tappet cover project. I can't > imagine what > >it'd feel like to resurrect a car after 10 years. > > > > > > > >On Aug 30, 2009, at 5:50 PM, rolindsay@yahoo.com > wrote: > > > >>Hello Friends, > >> > >>I don't want to eat much of your bandwidth but a > number of you will > >>be pleased to know that I took the maiden drive in > my TR3 last > >>weekend! 10+ years after it was parked, my > latest project is now a > >>functional car. > >> > >>-rick > >>Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >> > >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >>Mgs@autox.team.net > >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >> > >>http://www.team.net/archive > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > >Mgs@autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > > >http://www.team.net/archive > > Regards > > Barrie > (705) 721-9060 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 31 12:33:11 2009 From: "Sales at \" Just Brits \"" To: 23weldon <23.weldon@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:11:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Starter solenoid main connecting point << But you should check to see if the thread is still good near the end of the stud -- usually it only strips where the nut sits. If so, you could justpile on 2 or 3 thick washers, to move the nut out to the good part of the thread. >> That's exactly what I've had to do a couple times in the past, Max !! And I 'trimmed' them down to just a tad bigger then the nut. Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 31 12:33:19 2009 From: "Sales at \" Just Brits \"" To: 23weldon <23.weldon@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:14:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] ZDDP - Again! << That would be a 1st gen cat. >> Well it IS what the MGB cat was/is, Max !! Wouldn't do a thing for modern cars. LOL Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 31 14:02:13 2009 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: 6pack@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:54:23 +0200 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Update, NMGC Good 4 u Rick! Keep them rolling. Cheers! >> >> On Aug 30, 2009, at 5:50 PM, rolindsay@yahoo.com wrote: >> >>> Hello Friends, >>> >>> I don't want to eat much of your bandwidth but a number of you will be >>> pleased to know that I took the maiden drive in my TR3 last weekend! >>> 10+ >>> years after it was parked, my latest project is now a functional car. >>> >>> -rick >>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 31 23:15:55 2009 From: don To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:09:00 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] 1972 MGB GT V8 Race Car Not sure what to think of this one! Not much left of the essence of an MGB . . . http://bringatrailer.com/2009/08/31/impressive-build-1972-mgb-gt-v8-race-car/#more-2043 Don Scott Calistoga, CA USA 1962 MGA 1973 MGB GT (for sale) 2001 Miata SE BRG _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive