From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 17 20:10:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2ACD2D07E2 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:10:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1F02D03FB for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:09:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zCne1i0061swQuc5CEAMeV; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 02:10:21 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([69.180.198.204]) by omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zEAL1i0174R5SCM3bEALl7; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 02:10:21 +0000 Message-ID: <4F8E228F.7040404@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:10:23 -0500 From: Glenn Schnittke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [Mgs] Tightening the nut on the left side motor mount X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I can't really add anything more to the immediate responses, except to say that I think this is the best response to a lister's technical question I've seen in a long time. I get the digest, so I can't really comment in real time. Reading the responses, my first reaction was that your question had been pretty well answered without anyone asking what year car you were talking about. Apparently everybody looked at your sig before responding. And everyone had something to add. Thank you list. And thank you Mr. B. for keeping the list going. Glenn On 4/17/2012 1:00 PM, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Subject: [Mgs] Tightening the nut on the left side motor mount > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On the left (driver's ) side, the steering column runs through the > bracket where the motor mount is supposed be fastened to the body. > This makes it virtually impossible to get the nut started on the stud > which runs into the bottom of the rubber mount. I have managed to do > this twice before by using an refrigerator magnet to position the nut, > but this time that trick does not seem to work. Is there any > alternative to removing the steering rack? > > If I have to remove the steering rack, where can I get the special > tool that the manual shows for aligning the upper an lower parts of > the column? > > Thanks, > Peter Schauss > 1980 MGB _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 17 23:04:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD0E22D0832 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 23:04:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A87522D07B3 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 22:56:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by bradakis.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 481F72E033; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 23:02:19 -0600 (MDT) From: Mark J Bradakis To: mgs@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120418050219.481F72E033@bradakis.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 23:02:19 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Mgs] Supercharger? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone recognize this supercharger? Who made it, any info? http://bradakis.com/Images/super1.jpg http://bradakis.com/Images/super2.jpg http://bradakis.com/Images/super3.jpg It was last used on an MG TF according to the fellow who last owned it. Thanks, mjb. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 05:39:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060D42D0893 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 05:39:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3297D2D0858 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 05:37:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.2]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120418113746.YXUL22007.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net>; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:37:46 +0100 Received: from [82.36.173.19] (helo=paul) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SKTCj-0004dj-Qa; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:37:46 +0100 Message-ID: <5B20FAFE49604A1894F943DFF7631C4C@paul> From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Glenn Schnittke" , References: <4F8E228F.7040404@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 08:48:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=R50lirqlHffDPPkwUlkuVa99MrvKdVWo//yz83qex8g= c=1 sm=0 a=Y7a5EzxEU-YA:10 a=3NElcqgl2aoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=D-dv5fhBs9HmqVsjGdQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Tightening the nut on the left side motor mount X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The original poster said "the steering column runs through the bracket where the motor mount ..." right up front. All rubber bumper MGBs do that, so no more information on year was needed. ----- Original Message ----- > ... Reading the responses, my first reaction was that your question had > been pretty well answered without anyone asking what year car you were > talking about. Apparently everybody looked at your sig before responding. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 06:10:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B7D12D0887 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:10:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1F6B2D084C for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:04:46 -0600 (MDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvwEACCtjk8yMGDC/2dsb2JhbABEhWarVoM6gQsCDRkCUwyIIpgvjjiTDoEvjiGBGASmKYJn X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,441,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="246447503" X-Originating-IP: [50.48.96.194] Received: from relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.164]) by out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 18 Apr 2012 12:05:09 +0000 Received: from cl04-zms02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (cl04-host02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.186.117]) by relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E2D5F9B for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:05:08 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:05:08 +0000 (UTC) From: sdesalvo@frontiernet.net To: mg list Message-ID: <1540232876.1449956.1334750708490.JavaMail.root@cl04-host02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Previous-IP: 50.48.96.194 X-Originating-IP: [50.48.96.194] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.5_GA_2213.UBUNTU8_64 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.5_GA_2213.UBUNTU8_64) Subject: [Mgs] valve adjustment X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I am having difficulty trying to adjust the valve on #6 rocker on my "78 MGB. I have replaced the rocker itself, but it is still noisy. Something I have tried is to slide a feeler gauge into the gap while the engine is running. That quiets it to a normal level. Could it be a worn valve, tappet, cam lobe? The big question is whether I should pull the head at this point to investigate further? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Sam _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 06:58:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B562D0891 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:58:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A2E2D0849 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:51:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.3]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120418125155.EGXM21612.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net>; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:51:55 +0100 Received: from [82.36.173.19] (helo=paul) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SKUMV-0001Su-49; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:51:55 +0100 Message-ID: <8F72ABE1571E4D8BA204E85C8CECAA5D@paul> From: "Paul Hunt" To: , "mg list" References: <1540232876.1449956.1334750708490.JavaMail.root@cl04-host02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:51:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=3NElcqgl2aoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hjMLk5-owK7RpTMQ-o4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Subject: Re: [Mgs] valve adjustment X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Ordinarily that sounds like a worn pad on the rocker, so that a 15 thou gauge with a sliding fit results in a 20 thou, say, gap. However I note the new rocker. What system are you using to adjust the valves? What clearance? Hot or cold? Most people use the rule of nine where when any valve is fully down you subtract that from nine and adjust that one, i.e. when 1 is down you adjust 8, 6 down adjust 3, and so on. However I have found that on some of my valves that isn't the point with the greatest gap, it is someway one side of it or the other, so on those I set the gap at the point of greatest gap, and that does make them a bit quieter. OTOH maybe the followers or something else is worn and rattling, and putting the gauge in with the engine running is simply taking up all the gap so it can't rattle. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >I am having difficulty trying to adjust the valve on #6 rocker on my "78 >MGB. I have replaced the rocker itself, but it is still noisy. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 08:50:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC622D07F5 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 08:50:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp650.redcondor.net (smtp650.redcondor.net [208.80.206.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02EFB2D087C for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 08:41:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgp.netins.net ([167.142.228.73]) by smtp650.redcondor.net ({9ef01f99-b982-4add-83fd-b7c41c74273c}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20120418144145413; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:41:45 +0000 X-RC-FROM: Received: from [208.126.78.151] (account riverside@southslope.net HELO rileyPC) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.13) with ESMTPA id 326510956; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:41:39 -0500 Message-ID: <7498763FF8BC4714AF6C9B7288C6C041@rileyPC> From: To: , "mg list" References: <1540232876.1449956.1334750708490.JavaMail.root@cl04-host02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> In-Reply-To: <1540232876.1449956.1334750708490.JavaMail.root@cl04-host02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:41:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3508.1109 Subject: Re: [Mgs] valve adjustment X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The crane cams method just about guarantees that the lifter for the valve you are adjusting is resting on the base circle: set the intake valve when that valve's exhaust partner is JUST starting to open set the exhaust valve when that valve's intake partner is ALMOST closed. If you ever get to fool around with an OHC motor, you can view the wisdom of this method art de armond -----Original Message----- From: sdesalvo@frontiernet.net Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:05 AM To: mg list Subject: [Mgs] valve adjustment I am having difficulty trying to adjust the valve on #6 rocker on my "78 MGB. I have replaced the rocker itself, but it is still noisy. Something I have tried is to slide a feeler gauge into the gap while the engine is running. That quiets it to a normal level. Could it be a worn valve, tappet, cam lobe? The big question is whether I should pull the head at this point to investigate further? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Sam _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/riverside@southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4943 - Release Date: 04/17/12 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 09:26:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D73562D0853 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:26:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1DFF2D07C5 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:26:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.1]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120418152703.UDWI22007.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net>; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:27:03 +0100 Received: from [82.36.173.19] (helo=paul) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SKWje-00006M-L5; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:23:58 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Paul Hunt" To: , , "mg list" References: <1540232876.1449956.1334750708490.JavaMail.root@cl04-host02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> <7498763FF8BC4714AF6C9B7288C6C041@rileyPC> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:10:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=R50lirqlHffDPPkwUlkuVa99MrvKdVWo//yz83qex8g= c=1 sm=0 a=3NElcqgl2aoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=dGp3YQp0AAAA:8 a=YqzxVC3fIo9YppdaYZAA:9 a=djIdPVZ3SC88__kt1DUA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Subject: Re: [Mgs] valve adjustment X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net It shouldn't need to be as accurate as that. The base circle *should* exist for a minimum of 180 degrees at the heel, and probably slightly more than that. Which means that anywhere in that 180 degrees *should* give the same, maximum clearance. But as individual cams will show, the greatest clearance can exist over a much smaller rotational angle than that, and in any position. It's that you need to find, on your cam, and adjust to. http://www.lunatipower.com/Images/Tech/Cams/AnnotatedCamLobeLarge.gif PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > The crane cams method just about guarantees that the lifter for > the valve you are adjusting is resting on the base circle: _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 12:23:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0C92D088E for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:23:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533922D0846 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:23:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so5643474wgb.20 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:23:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gcfcT9RRNw/Oq5dsuUHW+yxb+Lw+8/Idaqn/cYopD7g=; b=juzTYZx+bBjOHpWJf62uwKXcJAC8tSd51eJiI2OrsFhp5WxsjKQlfZDUTxmwReDM/k n44GrQNr2dxV0x3MYRW+GwIkPwAPLy8XkgamaPqXxeJxGzrzsHGqhWAqac0p2POR/CZC pX/GgDsDpM9ePJtNrgD2rcW/xXiD5T4KjNTMtOtu/7tEtpcOUQEJPNf+72V0k/OPgDLY T4qApKOshlaX9iwYk2Ihp1uc3vaTwyN9SRgg+cbE6ViDn8nXuLqP1qOrSDIcSPwf5MxH ld4zg5QcwN69GWVh1noDNe7Hx2m84qy0APFjWhTeixv8/3f0BIJUBMWeAvlrW9I7Z+Cd K9pg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.134.136 with SMTP id s8mr2118103wei.6.1334773438532; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.101.8 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:23:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: Peter Schauss To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] valve adjustment X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net When I had similar symptoms on my Healey, one very noisy lifter which quieted down when I slipped a in a feeler gauge, it turned out to be a worn cam lobe. Peter Schauss 1980 MGB ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:05:08 +0000 (UTC) From: sdesalvo@frontiernet.net To: mg list Subject: [Mgs] valve adjustment Message-ID: <1540232876.1449956.1334750708490.JavaMail.root@cl04-host02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I am having difficulty trying to adjust the valve on #6 rocker on my "78 MGB. I have replaced the rocker itself, but it is still noisy. Something I have tried is to slide a feeler gauge into the gap while the engine is running. That quiets it to a normal level. Could it be a worn valve, tappet, cam lobe? The big question is whether I should pull the head at this point to investigate further? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Sam _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 13:54:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D1D42D08A2 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:54:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E462D0445 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so5311880yhr.14 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:45:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=xgHYPdG5BmdSW3uGR/68UpOIe2MRRf/8aVC6ofKUWYg=; b=C+tbnM5e8zeXaSp9xtslGIBwklsd93DP+3sofz6ZE3uSO+aPG7cOmhfj2nLuhv6gag ggDyzcdTM5NMYn54ftYw+DWl15N8+iPFRxtWgA8e20mOidDJ/ycHbh9YgP/5w2txqvol lZmw4EaSH3zeAJJxj2qpNayN+qzy0wh5XYCe7e5SB/JrxPORVYg2ucRLyAmNhCNoZ4lG HPuwEklY08YkrvoVG9Ao8zllzGQ0cSiy212tkbDb0H7lfMqKdyaIUPVxQcYrQrqctTkQ RN5/d4GllKLAZE0uNuSMPevlSg8PjmIOAD/L/ntBMyBLT2RfkWFbCIWx6ubaGMhH4iQr rljw== Received: by 10.50.42.134 with SMTP id o6mr3240789igl.72.1334778327924; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phoenix.iaces.com ([204.147.87.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id re5sm21163602igb.0.2012.04.18.12.45.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:45:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Root Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:45:25 -0500 Message-Id: <24733872-BB83-40BD-8CC6-08CFCD9FB68D@gmail.com> To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Subject: [Mgs] MG Icon X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Pictures of the actual car. It does have a BGT feel to it. More than the drawing had. Seeing the real grill does throw back to the 1960s. Yes, I know, it's not a proper MG, I'll never buy it. It's heresy that the Chinese own the name, blah blah blah. http://www.insideline.com/saic/mg-icon-concept-revealed-2012-beijing-auto-sho w.html _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 14:45:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4822D036B for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:45:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm26.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm26.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C5F962D0741 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:44:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.70] by nm26.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2012 20:45:06 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.41] by tm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2012 20:45:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1041.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2012 20:45:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 370518.56842.bm@omp1041.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 86493 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Apr 2012 20:45:05 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1334781905; bh=joOpY9/miVHGgs0aGIv2BenotTTvNahZSWfmI89Aj/4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iFpMJu63dyPVndUOeQRYSrUQIXJ1gonkKcX10bX/YmuBVaZWAi7IHd7Eq6oPuK/MpYSO/0p+iAEUZU25OCIYjucRqhREapEPC7e6vdFZ7VyPrk0ejWRLdXKfFdFttQPRQ/96RbMbzH+8psCKqpM/hxFZb5tslkkZPuqvsb1OmbM= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WFBOjVNmUUZplQq98JNfxH02DLlOgOiyLCYo5dj2sD9Wonl0uP7A1PRQTul/E3OPBcucbQuea+whAhO2kg6h42fc4czxtjxT6N663m+0mCkwYLdnSMq7ztfHFm+n1UGwjydPmXA6HDHUyexp6QxvzWLnryWlkWf6NZqRrCxjr/4=; X-YMail-OSG: ljhrEG0VM1lL0i8rXbcEcoGWglJJGtZqk07fJSqwkDyjmfZ PJgFS6TokmKQm48rrBLM29s1uvSSNPzPrY8keCdzlEIGjJVvCsoYDKY0trcA fL.Mtxav0ZIJ6MZQuTJgVnrGzRC0TaJjIxTGEz.3G2ygNDpNerLjtFMYXmrM 29PaGQVD47DLfkHcpqTbQXZKfleQtd_9HflEEOprIlXemcBzcLUxDNFvkXFy I3Y3mZZ8JYHQLG9U1TVUBm3ImROX_Z2bDeCYJe4vbdzw6FyDf9Sxw_ocPEHU XyJoFCKDOL_4nP5lTPfo.q3Kup9A73geg1lOKjxiWUeGG7XMPPjsNzwx2npz Lcvix78WcpzeOFz2DuZHCgFEGXA.YWNslBD4VyRpw94hPO9X.zs2NxRqCl95 z.vLEasHrKiJVZYc23YEwIOw4V8R5fbqAKoDhRWdnf_6DsLT16LCagGTzGJr 3DWWp7fU8ri2wWD8xxOU7BjgbqGmSX5m4JjHwlA.javOUDkdI5Q4h0ZoBgEx NTvVD2Z0LRCxv.DVs6hzfp0_PG1qBL6GeKuwOoOX7.u9sf06Frev3YrQYUot .HxXrYfj7OypjyIIRBEqCYrRPOaLDzDcofcXY9yrKdCJ.9BEUbOvfg_qlkA- - Received: from [69.248.129.56] by web39401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:45:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <24733872-BB83-40BD-8CC6-08CFCD9FB68D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1334781905.74012.YahooMailNeo@web39401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:45:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Paul Root , "mgs@autox.team.net List" In-Reply-To: <24733872-BB83-40BD-8CC6-08CFCD9FB68D@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Icon X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dan DiBiase List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Interesting, lots of MG cues on a grossly-expanded MINI-like body.... Taillights, from the side, headlights sunk into the fender at the bottom, even the shape of the body under the hatchback..... Nice to see them pick up a bit of heritage.... Dan D '65B, '76B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Paul Root To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 3:45 PM Subject: [Mgs] MG Icon Pictures of the actual car. It does have a BGT feel to it. More than the drawing had. Seeing the real grill does throw back to the 1960s. Yes, I know, it's not a proper MG, I'll never buy it. It's heresy that the Chinese own the name, blah blah blah. http://www.insideline.com/saic/mg-icon-concept-revealed-2012-beijing-auto-sho w.html _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 15:31:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7AC2D0859 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:31:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB0C2D0777 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:22:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo110.cox.net ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120418212238.RUYH8874.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo110.cox.net> for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:22:38 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([70.189.79.113]) by eastrmimpo110.cox.net with bizsmtp id zZNd1i00J2Sh9mm02ZNePV; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:22:38 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020B.4F8F309E.0080,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=9p1evl5cAK1ZYNWAcfn8X6IfAmCGuOPdFgneQpdUexw= c=1 sm=1 a=hpdW4O2G5TgA:10 a=nDghuxUhq_wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=W1QSJKqGGpXRA/tLcq4HlQ==:17 a=eZj6gSxKAAAA:8 a=f0cy6wE5VP2FXJcsbXwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=W1QSJKqGGpXRA/tLcq4HlQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Message-ID: <4F8F30A1.2090903@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:22:41 -0500 From: The Roxter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "mgs@autox.team.net List" References: <24733872-BB83-40BD-8CC6-08CFCD9FB68D@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <24733872-BB83-40BD-8CC6-08CFCD9FB68D@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120418-1, 04/18/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Icon X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On 4/18/2012 2:45 PM, Paul Root wrote: > Pictures of the actual car. It does have a BGT feel to it. More than the > drawing had. > > Seeing the real grill does throw back to the 1960s. > > Yes, I know, it's not a proper MG, I'll never buy it. It's heresy that the > Chinese own the name, blah blah blah. > > http://www.insideline.com/saic/mg-icon-concept-revealed-2012-beijing-auto-sho > w.html Looks like its Momma was scared by a BMW Mini. -Rock _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 16:36:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42CD2D06A4 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:36:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 451382C0B31 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:36:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-47.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.47]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q3IMaZbl006321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:36:38 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.32.0.111121 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:34:28 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Mgs] MG Icon Thread-Index: Ac0ds2oZEqH1iC0/PE2YtU//2B2dbQ== In-Reply-To: <24733872-BB83-40BD-8CC6-08CFCD9FB68D@gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Icon X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net It looks like a cartoon. Even more so than most contemporary designs (notably the Camaro, Kia Soul, most mid-size SUVs). I mean, they grafted on some MG-like details, but the proportions are like a baby toy, not even a Hot Wheel. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 4/18/12 12:45 PM, Paul Root at ptrmgb@gmail.com wrote: > Pictures of the actual car. It does have a BGT feel to it. More than the > drawing had. > > Seeing the real grill does throw back to the 1960s. > > Yes, I know, it's not a proper MG, I'll never buy it. It's heresy that the > Chinese own the name, blah blah blah. > > http://www.insideline.com/saic/mg-icon-concept-revealed-2012-beijing-auto-sho > w.html \ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 17:08:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423F22D07C5 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:08:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F1612D073E for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:08:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.66] by nm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2012 23:08:24 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.8] by tm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2012 23:08:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2012 23:08:24 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 206939.35900.bm@omp1008.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 40973 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Apr 2012 23:08:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1334790503; bh=8bs5D+38A44sJuJPHN9EDTmahdPhWKTUwqqNmy/eMMg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5bk27XqNr95BgS3SSyXQs2LskVPmETg10bUW8tpi39IrrMoX3n9ZYEZYgpum5ykaw7kvTjowZUOMGLiUwMhDpYPL3N5aDJ6JDsWoeou3jse8WlzGfzroDEguRxTM0+yXLJJkQM+FapG7H2x/0gHmmIlXej83ApGA28dFgvVnFBs= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4OkK3x7pL9Q5WsD5Wp1Ru1z7rung8vChdeQUIdH/p/fe+spLpQIh96plfirvVAcHeglx4plpytI7J/yUhfUYUuIM3Ey5bQwIzIRSwOI8Bq9ERdsWmjb5es/aFEetpYCqgqK44fpXu/bGz5eKAG/4IuICT00egmDn+Efrklh88Qs=; X-YMail-OSG: h65SHN0VM1m7jzy_GUCaqJuhQNL_A5WPFkV5LEJ7W8rPXSE 68eR9pFZS3UC_uEUVmNuj8ORSydSrI0H1woebZYzO_Qc2vzl.1__h_0TN7pp PNnS2dbiFta44SBZ36Npv3tdYnBmyA9h4yxZYkq0.5upFdDlw1Oic8onaaM_ Xh.a7sDE2.ib9vDZJbJKOThWJTquxmcWy40bw91psJXgXsPPY6komvfI1ZAA z5syYXxrQ4PvHOQ_f0RUALQFyQXXLc5vhrQRCl6yhpDUM1HtkmhNDQZ82Jij fKHXwbFM2J0FrOJ.8cT0gkWNg_3w8CrpjRUTBxUGEv2uF341svR9wUuO7_J5 LNGK.GqxdlwyeEErFmOx7Oj_EycaXfmA9.x4FS4TnP0CMKU.wQXo9v80a1Oc mRZ.d.xk4Pw12WXpwCe4i0AelnMihLx1y.xR5BVTi1.Y1OdSSd_K.a3W5P9U uVKbvnXWdaqE- Received: from [170.35.224.64] by web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:08:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <24733872-BB83-40BD-8CC6-08CFCD9FB68D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1334790503.29873.YahooMailNeo@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:08:23 -0700 (PDT) From: David Breneman To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" In-Reply-To: <24733872-BB83-40BD-8CC6-08CFCD9FB68D@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Icon X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Breneman List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net From: Paul Root > Pictures of the actual car. It does have a BGT feel to it. More than the > drawing had. > > Seeing the real grill does throw back to the 1960s. > > Yes, I know, it's not a proper MG, I'll never buy it. It's heresy > that the > Chinese own the name, blah blah blah. Those protruding vertical lights on either side of the grille just look strange. Leaves me thinking "Twice the Edsel - Twice the fun!" _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 17:10:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5689F2D08B3 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:10:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm17-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A334D2D08A7 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:09:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2012 23:10:07 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.168] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net From: The Roxter > > Looks like its Momma was scared by a BMW Mini. > Funny you should say that, since the Mini started out as an MG/Rover project before BMW got involved. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 17:22:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B0902D0830 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:22:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm38-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm38-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 114AD2D06B6 for ; 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18 Apr 2012 16:17:41 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <791732C1C2074B04A4B36E34EAC7007D@HomePC> From: "Larry Daniels" To: "David Breneman" , References: <24733872-BB83-40BD-8CC6-08CFCD9FB68D@gmail.com> <1334790503.29873.YahooMailNeo@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1334790503.29873.YahooMailNeo@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:17:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Icon X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:08 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net List Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Icon Those protruding vertical lights on either side of the grille just look strange. Leaves me thinking "Twice the Edsel - Twice the fun!" _______________________________________________ Exactly. That protuberance under each of the headlights is just plain gross. Was it Max that said it looks like a cartoon? Agreed! Jack up the MG badge on the rear and push what's left off a cliff and you have a good starting point. Larry Daniels _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 18:10:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E292D0502 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:10:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com (mail-iy0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318092D0747 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:04:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by iajr24 with SMTP id r24so15407971iaj.14 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:04:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=FyQDYATM9KjcImZaB/VLPObJlujGw0IDLUAaijhL7Ao=; b=cOuTzTTG1VFY8ejIES/fHIcUxWygtxjjx/puhGPFAURmpHWCPVg/k15Z/XOHMqKEGr Lvm1rOaHAkFwB73WAuFaIIyrt+rZHARH4QWNPr3cOyQblpisC8pXkZdQKyS/nlYqFGX/ 5bh58unv9LLYfatxpUfNj+Dc10LhUsmWi0JIjs4rPB8OkHj74LkLoUNTds0/R6oYjNe7 LdywZGISXerxzteYTiQCNQEmNmvrp00vgNrZ5EDQQiD3nj/NS52zaBbm+zxBZEyZi97G mrehUekfAlky4Pd2cuaBrgxfADD1frBnZFyWGHLJRI/AHcnXUJipX0j+IvLEmo3mfVr6 CKZA== Received: by 10.43.44.2 with SMTP id ue2mr8610icb.9.1334793887041; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.11] (65-128-180-166.mpls.qwest.net. [65.128.180.166]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n1sm21919374igm.7.2012.04.18.17.04.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:04:46 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) From: Paul Root In-Reply-To: <4F8F30A1.2090903@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:04:13 -0500 Message-Id: <4358F079-B7D2-46CE-94FD-9F7881FF6ACF@gmail.com> References: <24733872-BB83-40BD-8CC6-08CFCD9FB68D@gmail.com> <4F8F30A1.2090903@gmail.com> To: The Roxter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Icon X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net good one Rocky. Yeah, I thought too much Mini in it as well. But it does have some BGT in it. Keep the grill redo the rest of the front end. On Apr 18, 2012, at 4:22 PM, The Roxter wrote: > On 4/18/2012 2:45 PM, Paul Root wrote: >> Pictures of the actual car. It does have a BGT feel to it. More than the >> drawing had. >> >> Seeing the real grill does throw back to the 1960s. >> >> Yes, I know, it's not a proper MG, I'll never buy it. It's heresy that the >> Chinese own the name, blah blah blah. >> >> http://www.insideline.com/saic/mg-icon-concept-revealed-2012-beijing-auto-sho >> w.html > > Looks like its Momma was scared by a BMW Mini. > > -Rock > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 18:11:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE652D08C8 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:11:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail5.tpgi.com.au (mail5.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.101]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99BB62D0755 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:08:42 -0600 (MDT) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-TPG-Abuse: host=[101.173.147.194]; ip=101.173.147.194; date=Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:09:05 +1000; auth=/X0J75t1ChDYY67dqz+6Qd4jQKMnvLVol4kYJX68JBs= Received: from [10.249.113.37] ([101.173.147.194]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail5.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from arundell@ghs.com.au) (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q3J092Ht013385; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:09:05 +1000 References: <24733872-BB83-40BD-8CC6-08CFCD9FB68D@gmail.com> <1334790503.29873.YahooMailNeo@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1334790503.29873.YahooMailNeo@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: Murray Arundell Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:08:54 +1000 To: David Breneman Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Icon X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I really wish you jerks who are all still stuck in the 60's would wake up and realize the the world has changed. To make a statement "it's Chinese so I wouldn't buy one" just smacks of ignorance. The Chinese own MGs because MG kept making the MGB well past it's sell buy date and look what happened? Also please don't give me that crap about Chinese quality. I'd have Chinese built car over some wallowing land barge banged together in Detroit by guys who can't see past their next meth hit any day. Wake up America... The world has changed and the USA has missed the train. Let the flames commence.... Murray Arundell Australia Sent from my iPhone On 19/04/2012, at 9:08 AM, David Breneman wrote: > From: Paul Root > > >> Pictures of the actual car. It > does have a BGT feel to it. More than the >> drawing had. >> >> Seeing the real > grill does throw back to the 1960s. >> >> Yes, I know, it's not a proper MG, > I'll never buy it. It's heresy >> that the >> Chinese own the name, blah blah > blah. > > > Those protruding vertical lights on either side of the grille just > look strange. Leaves me thinking "Twice the Edsel - Twice the fun!" > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/arundell@ghs.com.au _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 18:42:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118472D083B for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:42:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com (mail-iy0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D792D070B for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:34:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by iajr24 with SMTP id r24so15453741iaj.14 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:34:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=tgRPda0tLkg0k/XcDZxL8SEJoklar0eEL4sDIztVdG0=; b=mNPj1xoGewL4IYXyIQeOjrZfo9cOYs76zF6+dWbqnbdgho3LMRU/DNnLl7PwgO34oF SWecn3LAma4127oGCgNm+D+75cikZFPpQg3ZC6av7c894H6+tVRlRNfoTZk/A/b/XIrs HsK8vzHPeda2h4NgpGBdB8NdYg6udDRWVUYky68HRsHsn4RxC0GlXBV8RZb1awIxavHs Wh8lArz/qHU35pL+pJnFUFu3XgVk97dFSOGdnyDvQXkB9pG7tau2jDpLoKvUHS/bL9Vs D9ifJ8HJ+5QQQ7j3x0kB1HtfBJBBuzCXiNN4nQJrn4iUhzgqtVFe8YEHaobgLU5YXSnk GsKQ== Received: by 10.50.77.136 with SMTP id s8mr90636igw.56.1334795696880; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.11] (65-128-180-166.mpls.qwest.net. [65.128.180.166]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i7sm22003822igq.11.2012.04.18.17.34.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) From: Paul Root In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:34:23 -0500 Message-Id: <333C84C1-05E2-4EAB-A37D-BF47B889507C@gmail.com> References: <24733872-BB83-40BD-8CC6-08CFCD9FB68D@gmail.com> <1334790503.29873.YahooMailNeo@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> To: Murray Arundell X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Icon X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Well Murray, There's no reason to be rude. I put those comments in, as a bit of humor, to try to stop a flame war of this sort. I must say I'm a bit offended by your characterization of the America worker. And the car for that matter. American cars are improving considerably. While I've never bought an "American" car, I do have cars built in America. I find them better built than the one Japanese car that I have. Please read more carefully in the future, take a breath, and think twice before you press send. Paul. On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:08 PM, Murray Arundell wrote: > I really wish you jerks who are all still stuck in the 60's would wake up and > realize the the world has changed. To make a statement "it's Chinese so I > wouldn't buy one" just smacks of ignorance. The Chinese own MGs because MG > kept making the MGB well past it's sell buy date and look what happened? Also > please don't give me that crap about Chinese quality. I'd have Chinese built > car over some wallowing land barge banged together in Detroit by guys who > can't see past their next meth hit any day. Wake up America... The world has > changed and the USA has missed the train. > > Let the flames commence.... > > Murray Arundell > Australia > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 19/04/2012, at 9:08 AM, David Breneman wrote: > >> From: Paul Root >> >> >>> Pictures of the actual car. It >> does have a BGT feel to it. More than the >>> drawing had. >>> >>> Seeing the real >> grill does throw back to the 1960s. >>> >>> Yes, I know, it's not a proper MG, >> I'll never buy it. It's heresy >>> that the >>> Chinese own the name, blah blah >> blah. >> >> >> Those protruding vertical lights on either side of the grille just >> look strange. Leaves me thinking "Twice the Edsel - Twice the fun!" >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/arundell@ghs.com.au > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 19:02:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B8A2D089E for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:02:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B612D06AF for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:02:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo109.cox.net ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120419010252.TDLC18532.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo109.cox.net> for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:02:52 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([70.189.79.113]) by eastrmimpo109.cox.net with bizsmtp id zd2s1i0042Sh9mm02d2ssD; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:02:52 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020A.4F8F643C.0060,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=oCnpYUhdmvqPuxLMq7fsn3FqY3je+Ql30gwju2dxGGE= c=1 sm=1 a=hpdW4O2G5TgA:10 a=nDghuxUhq_wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=W1QSJKqGGpXRA/tLcq4HlQ==:17 a=xLj0Kyc3ViPfdGgFeasA:9 a=e0JrrtdpHkXbdb3SW9gA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=LD7kG3JqQjmK97En:21 a=jrLXpICQ9TnhE8Yo:21 a=W1QSJKqGGpXRA/tLcq4HlQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Message-ID: <4F8F643F.2000603@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:02:55 -0500 From: The Roxter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: MG List References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120418-2, 04/18/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Icon X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On 4/18/2012 5:34 PM, Max Heim wrote: > It looks like a cartoon. Even more so than most contemporary designs > (notably the Camaro, Kia Soul, most mid-size SUVs). I mean, they grafted on > some MG-like details, but the proportions are like a baby toy, not even a > Hot Wheel. Yep. I would never buy one, even if I won the lottery. If I did win the lottery, I would donate a big chunk to the Oklahoma Music Hall of Fame and another big chunk to the Ron Paul campaign, and then: buy a Bugatti Type 35, an old Jaguar, an old Austin-Healy and a pre-1937 MG of some sort. They did the Thunderbird well, I thought, as well as the Beetle: modern, but with retro styling that referenced the original, sort of a SteamPunk feel. This is just some Anime-Fanboy jerk-off. Should have done what Mazda did: hire some American MG-fans to design it. -Rock _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 19:14:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80172D081D for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:14:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo201.cox.net (eastrmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.216]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B7B2D0795 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:08:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo210.cox.net ([68.230.241.225]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120419010840.PBNS5450.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo210.cox.net> for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:08:40 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([70.189.79.113]) by eastrmimpo210.cox.net with bizsmtp id zd8f1i00B2Sh9mm02d8fhE; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:08:39 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.4F8F6597.00A1,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=kpwhcfQ7RMQDnRA+VSO2/YLjdKOiqMPJMkgK1XWiuDQ= c=1 sm=1 a=hpdW4O2G5TgA:10 a=nDghuxUhq_wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=W1QSJKqGGpXRA/tLcq4HlQ==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=KNyBlKZ1snRgL6L2yE4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=W1QSJKqGGpXRA/tLcq4HlQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Message-ID: <4F8F659B.4050802@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:08:43 -0500 From: The Roxter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" References: <24733872-BB83-40BD-8CC6-08CFCD9FB68D@gmail.com> <4F8F30A1.2090903@gmail.com> <1334790606.21125.YahooMailNeo@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1334790606.21125.YahooMailNeo@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120418-2, 04/18/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Icon X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On 4/18/2012 6:10 PM, David Breneman wrote: > From: The Roxter > > >> Looks like its Momma was scared by a BMW Mini. >> > > Funny you should say that, since the Mini started out as > an MG/Rover project before BMW got involved. > I participated in the early stages. Gave opinions on projected designs. Didn't like any of them. -Rock _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 19:16:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD212D08C9 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:16:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF2772C04D6 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:15:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo210.cox.net ([68.230.241.225]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120419011550.ZCIJ8874.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo210.cox.net> for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:15:50 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([70.189.79.113]) by eastrmimpo210.cox.net with bizsmtp id zdFp1i00C2Sh9mm02dFpq1; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:15:49 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020209.4F8F6745.009F,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=kpwhcfQ7RMQDnRA+VSO2/YLjdKOiqMPJMkgK1XWiuDQ= c=1 sm=1 a=hpdW4O2G5TgA:10 a=nDghuxUhq_wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=W1QSJKqGGpXRA/tLcq4HlQ==:17 a=_dVYtHAyObR_NGTVKyoA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=W1QSJKqGGpXRA/tLcq4HlQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Message-ID: <4F8F6749.3090000@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:15:53 -0500 From: The Roxter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" References: <24733872-BB83-40BD-8CC6-08CFCD9FB68D@gmail.com> <1334790503.29873.YahooMailNeo@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120418-2, 04/18/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Icon X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On 4/18/2012 7:08 PM, Murray Arundell wrote: > I really wish you jerks who are all still stuck in the 60's would wake up and > realize the the world has changed. To make a statement "it's Chinese so I > wouldn't buy one" just smacks of ignorance. The Chinese own MGs because MG > kept making the MGB well past it's sell buy date and look what happened? Also > please don't give me that crap about Chinese quality. I'd have Chinese built > car over some wallowing land barge banged together in Detroit by guys who > can't see past their next meth hit any day. Wake up America... The world has > changed and the USA has missed the train. > > Let the flames commence.... The American car market died because politicians started thinking they could design cars, or at least set the limits for designing cars. If you want to see what too much government and socialistic leanings can accomplish, just look at Detroit. -Rock _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 19:29:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971AF2D04EF for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:29:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A231E2D06D2 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:26:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-47.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.47]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q3J1Qbdh018620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:26:42 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.32.0.111121 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:26:29 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Mgs] MG Icon Thread-Index: Ac0dy3HkeaopDKY0IkKecMhnx6untw== In-Reply-To: <4F8F6749.3090000@gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Icon X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Not to start another flame war, but I have to say I'm curious where this viewpoint is coming from -- clearly, all manufacturers who sold cars in the US, not just the Detroit-based ones, were subject to the same government regulations. So how did this kill the "American car market", which seems to have survived to the present day? More different companies build cars in the US today than did in the "unregulated" 1960s. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 4/18/12 6:15 PM, The Roxter at rocknatural@gmail.com wrote: > The American car market died because politicians started thinking they > could design cars, or at least set the limits for designing cars. > > If you want to see what too much government and socialistic leanings > can accomplish, just look at Detroit. > > -Rock _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 20:01:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD412D0830 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:01:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa01-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa01-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [72.167.82.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C9B02D06F3 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:56:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 22616 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2012 01:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (76.249.237.51) by p3plsmtpa01-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (72.167.82.89) with ESMTP; 19 Apr 2012 01:56:39 -0000 Message-ID: <9ACFBE6816314537820B09FA9A044077@ranteer.local> From: "Dave" To: "MG List" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:50:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Icon X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have to agree. it was arrogance and naiivity that hurt detroit. one executive was quoted as saying "why would you buy a japanese car when for the same money you can get a used chevrolet?" -----Original Message----- From: Max Heim Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:26 PM To: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Icon Not to start another flame war, but I have to say I'm curious where this viewpoint is coming from -- clearly, all manufacturers who sold cars in the US, not just the Detroit-based ones, were subject to the same government regulations. So how did this kill the "American car market", which seems to have survived to the present day? More different companies build cars in the US today than did in the "unregulated" 1960s. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 20:01:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 940E32D073E for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:01:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa01-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa01-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [72.167.82.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 733882D0706 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:56:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 22637 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2012 01:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (76.249.237.51) by p3plsmtpa01-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (72.167.82.89) with ESMTP; 19 Apr 2012 01:56:40 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Dave" To: References: <24733872-BB83-40BD-8CC6-08CFCD9FB68D@gmail.com><4F8F30A1.2090903@gmail.com> <4358F079-B7D2-46CE-94FD-9F7881FF6ACF@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4358F079-B7D2-46CE-94FD-9F7881FF6ACF@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:54:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Icon X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net that's a design exercise, right? not the real thing? does look awfully mini - ish -----Original Message----- From: Paul Root Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:04 PM To: The Roxter Cc: mgs@autox.team.net List Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Icon good one Rocky. Yeah, I thought too much Mini in it as well. But it does have some BGT in it. Keep the grill redo the rest of the front end. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 20:32:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B5042D07A5 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:32:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm1-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A57B2D0706 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:26:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.67] by nm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 02:27:08 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.58] by tm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 02:27:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1058.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 02:27:08 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 71756.19484.bm@omp1058.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 56516 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2012 02:27:07 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1334802427; bh=x4U7O9gCxpZvUPknvdXmTOVbchTaSwM2u9WFXkCQmvA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZIUuJm1rVYAGP4KGLV5zTgWdITVbiapDMdBtBBs3cDeILwVZ6B12VhN1EIgjL92GdKFK9YLV5nldllnkBfkmWWwXEj4f6jH0PcgBdfuXudz0hcdmvkp/5F6XiFPqUMxh4MshVBW6+YRC8A2qOmm5szUbwtcmSbIIzRVioBD7Oao= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bhQgmfdnDtMUPK2ziUtw80T2Wd+Pix44dPbi7t9fhmgpjyLHNfPYavtSmYJEkroOnHrQNjTJNhDQMn6DZoSGiH7BPWmrafTeU5Mp0R0SACQUZYM5iPN5mVPcXcTWvYY04QHmj7aLFk2FpnJpfvoTkkiu99rq5ljfv0eLOQGO3GM=; X-YMail-OSG: hkNi9o8VM1lq.N584646xfZYt9xEUGfXlSEhqznxY0bNCfU 47Ijd2MPSpfiIac3dIFoDbgNiOKrYMgIkZH10F7rfJpqdVGQ12nAMHQ7LBgv mt.HqsKmyvtyGvbIjc0CDo9Dhf0Sd9WQhQCVhpIDTMd1Nc5YqjH1bWToNLH8 tZNX.fggbgOc2agBZrP125LtiWuzMuCHEq2P0K6aEp_n61KCPbXKGRZZVWcG tS9aMXNeGe68Hd8AvRLf.j_7WLEOr7_q9k7ns0l2K0sHA3CE0gazM6OljM4B 7IP0HnnhOvrbzdXmFuXo76X.5Uecw7FDUibYGWqAGYYLo5Jm9cVxMbhelaxC RPXyl4IfhUuBdDeKSSHsX9LnvzlSar6T.pmJXvw1YM3goiAK97NDIavyq2y4 8uMIuPZpwzju1fAll5RIfU8CTWhzzwFWEEYZPwldbaVKq0y_y0SPyTIgJq7A x0CADaDk- Received: from [170.35.224.65] by web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:27:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <24733872-BB83-40BD-8CC6-08CFCD9FB68D@gmail.com> <1334790503.29873.YahooMailNeo@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1334802427.48166.YahooMailNeo@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:27:07 -0700 (PDT) From: David Breneman To: "mgs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Icon X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Breneman List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net From: Murray Arundell > On 19/04/2012, at 9:08 AM, David Breneman wrote: >> >> Those protruding vertical lights on either side of the grille just >> look strange. Leaves me thinking "Twice the Edsel - Twice the >> fun!" > > I really wish you jerks who are all still stuck in the 60's would wake up > and realize the the world has changed. To make a statement "it's > Chinese so I wouldn't buy one" just smacks of ignorance. \ I assume that since you're quoting and replying to my post, I am one of the "jerks" you're talking about. Since I don't lower myself to engage in ad hominem attacks, I won't call you names, but I will remind you that bad styling is bad styling no matter who does it or when or where it's done. And to infer that, because I criticize bad styling, I hold some sort of brief against modern cars or Chinese- own car companies is, to say the least, presumptuous. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 18 21:21:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A5C2D08B7 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:21:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc4-s20.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc4-s20.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.222]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB0C2D06D2 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:17:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY0-P5-EAS25 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:17:56 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [71.169.128.201] X-Originating-Email: [redscirocco@hotmail.com] Message-ID: References: <9ACFBE6816314537820B09FA9A044077@ranteer.local> From: Mike Eldred In-Reply-To: <9ACFBE6816314537820B09FA9A044077@ranteer.local> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 23:17:57 -0400 To: Dave MIME-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2012 03:17:56.0127 (UTC) FILETIME=[03BB6AF0:01CD1DDB] Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Icon X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes. No one who lived through the '70s should be under any illusion that it was "socialism" that killed American car manufacturing. Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2012, at 22:01, "Dave" wrote: > I have to agree. it was arrogance and naiivity that hurt detroit. > > one executive was quoted as saying "why would you buy a japanese car when for the same money you can get a used chevrolet?" > > -----Original Message----- From: Max Heim > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:26 PM > To: MG List > Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Icon > > Not to start another flame war, but I have to say I'm curious where this > viewpoint is coming from -- clearly, all manufacturers who sold cars in the > US, not just the Detroit-based ones, were subject to the same government > regulations. So how did this kill the "American car market", which seems to > have survived to the present day? More different companies build cars in the > US today than did in the "unregulated" 1960s. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/redscirocco@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 19 05:03:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCEF22D08CF for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 05:03:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f43.google.com (mail-qa0-f43.google.com [209.85.216.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113972D06B6 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 04:57:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qadb15 with SMTP id b15so1457805qad.2 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 03:58:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:x-mimeole:thread-index; bh=RzHbsapR4borjZV8gsTCqJkYTsDF4iEwMdYYQ1SHoHo=; b=oZD42hTxTGkJ9rCD+b5Vaoc8jWGhac5e3kmqCsAF+rnOkJ0E38p2bU7h6nbNqMQ/Q0 97B/9vL85az3+wDstn1GquuraejuY1VQ1tdRmZMV6vOj7R+bRrExzeskaOj4xJkzE97S 7A74JHXkXeeAdFBIQPgCOQ6fish8PwZELZ8IUc5Taic72uTwH++5D/DwZ1FOlXXB5qcm Cnrn+0uX5Oy5/OCJOIPHriFexUJNpOvPFpELRhamG1Sw6r8q8j0oi2u9uYJABzdvDwob ysyHQweBcQ4I6KglFPH+el1akautWRuuSrXlZ/5C0eHmx69ozuiZWLRoJNsC/4LqyTTW xJHA== Received: by 10.224.215.7 with SMTP id hc7mr2158367qab.29.1334833088047; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 03:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from RPS (ool-18b94089.dyn.optonline.net. [24.185.64.137]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id df8sm3681894qab.6.2012.04.19.03.58.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 19 Apr 2012 03:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4f8fefbf.c8bde00a.3951.6c71@mx.google.com> From: "Peter Schauss" To: "Mgs-Digest" Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 06:58:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 thread-index: Ac0eG0htcSR3zwoXRcGBmGLB6hR3wA== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Steering rack removal (1980 MGB) X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for all of the advice on tightening the nut on the left side motor mount. I removed the bolts which hold the steering arms to the kingpins and the four bolts which hold the steering rack to the frame and loosened the front pinch bolt on the u-joint. Before I quit last night I soaked the splines with penetrating oil. Is there any trick to getting the lower steering column out of the u-joint? I don't want to use too much force for fear of distorting the collapsible upper section of the column. Thanks, Peter Schauss 1980 MGB _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 19 08:10:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849D52D08A5 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 08:10:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF4B92D0504 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 08:04:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by werj55 with SMTP id j55so7743724wer.14 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:04:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+uhsojUGwOvh8he3sHch3VhAoNyPYmJtrW6YgRZDvB8=; b=mcQ/HwTS1UAh/6yCuVTt1tivz4NrUSwyem5r5EtjRJKgzqhBQd3nZdWLJdFoLyOvd+ S/gSXYyY9wgyDFPLZa9l8vdoLuSsUk/PsPTGeN6V0/YaS5rJaXqEyh8gMfLMFW6LrhPP raLC0+O3qWmns+LjxZCt6fQYVn/Gp/KHWQ1rKSmTQnCeAEzkV/sUzH+bkK3adrXyGL51 dla7Mtyfh286X+88oNkaiwco2meOvPGi1nE8OJQRPJnbAuAW09mGgQgLiP+GFw0pCV6F DrmZXhSobFo18mqC0ApchGAVR1w8y3jHi5zW6yIv0S4s6wjD/ilEd7F7VjfdAyz+aLo8 v8+g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.94.161 with SMTP id dd1mr5604492wib.16.1334844271802; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.101.8 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:04:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4f8fefbf.c8bde00a.3951.6c71@mx.google.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:04:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: Peter Schauss To: Paul Hunt , mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Steering rack removal (1980 MGB) X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Once I have the u-joint loose, will I be able to pull the steering column without removing the lower radiator hose? What about the radiator? Thanks, Peter Schauss On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Paul Hunt wrote: > You have to fully remove the clamp bolt from the UJ. It sits in a notch of > groove in the shafts and is part of the alignment of the two shafts, and is > why the alignment cones need to be precisely engineered. > > If it still won't budge then try wedging a screwdriver or something in the > slot in the UJ to open it up. You do need to be careful with the later full > energy absorbing column as it is all too easy to shear the nylon inserts if > the is too much force applied along the length of the column. It's force on > the upper half that is more likely to shear them though, the lower half is > pretty firmly located in the outer. > > PaulH. > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> I removed the bolts which hold the steering arms to the kingpins and the >> four bolts which hold the steering rack to the frame and loosened the >> front >> pinch bolt on the u-joint. Before I quit last night I soaked the splines >> with penetrating oil. Is there any trick to getting the lower steering >> column out of the u-joint? I don't want to use too much force for fear of >> distorting the collapsible upper section of the column. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 19 09:20:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E982D0917 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:20:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm40-vm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm40-vm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EECB52D08DF for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:18:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.151] by nm40.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 15:18:45 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.213] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 15:18:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 15:18:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 437946.94094.bm@omp1022.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 34947 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2012 15:18:44 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1334848724; bh=+/SFKiLRHhwoXIDwgKYdIo/4kYQu47HZ9K5NGUZ5RW0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=S4JE0ygALpCEwBHGnHmR6d3Vzn0yRSuMbahZ3dmSP/ZOMqwdXWGrTqpFW8LQXFiujigSAn2DTOD+Bpa4GkqDxpBoT3e9DMsIWLVONBpmxMU7fGUlKiZR2lSa1LHBAD0HYm2HWuUCqFNfkoC6ineoGs3/URgPfwTRZf0+rqhcbIE= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gwb2Td/JMyQVeNwT/oVUBuiNQh5zB9KkFUVUNmc7sO20gBX+hcI1e6an+ekJvHryL1h1CZogYfcdTD/C+hyv/+VYdIaWVT9b++526ALvhkYDn0A0GyK5I+owd03F5xWaq/0Tw1puoKp1RHGPAgsGSPfSU8kYJBlsrVVqgxLq7FU=; X-YMail-OSG: egTz2s0VM1lj444de3Op50tbx_HQAH_p6ODFmzpQyhXovcR BkXhXGaiZ_clzBhKKL.0Y4b4MMj2RcH4z61x.mBN6Km8VBobFaCouFTpBaS_ qZOO5C84xSjRH7FHPccmgDAfJOry_jvwYwWArFJOU3yPWxJjkuKfdzERvQ9e _CADb9turbb0fvCsLrJIx4JFer1B03Z1J7btOwWFbECpwdAMu0YQBmG9t05B K1XLY9Uo0pqbsBBE9SvszJ01.A.nXaPZhiBlwDe5rinK1pSVTn4phGOPz6EH YZgSpgf8KoEn21mZXpRmAvk_KRbkH_vIeSCcCcVKnhvgAkfHHBJ79tDAgPVv f4NCX6OIDPZYT02RTrmAXUnSTLi006CVjH4lY0WTYEDOO61uk1c9DSkk2c4l 9WbLpZnwuYdn40923GKVhWMLgYiUltV2K.DRaufrVRzWDJqzIByG_D8_HGIA GzHsCA7re_yLAhOvIufak6NsSrU08iSL0CqToEhA- Received: from [69.248.129.56] by web39406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 08:18:44 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <4f8fefbf.c8bde00a.3951.6c71@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1334848724.18871.YahooMailNeo@web39406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 08:18:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Peter Schauss , Paul Hunt , "mgs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Mgs] Steering rack removal (1980 MGB) X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dan DiBiase List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Peter, on my '76 I was able to slide the column right out. With the '80, and the forward-radiator position, I am not sure whether it would be in the way or not. Dan D '65B, '76B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Peter Schauss To: Paul Hunt ; mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Steering rack removal (1980 MGB) Once I have the u-joint loose, will I be able to pull the steering column without removing the lower radiator hose? What about the radiator? Thanks, Peter Schauss On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Paul Hunt wrote: > You have to fully remove the clamp bolt from the UJ. It sits in a notch of > groove in the shafts and is part of the alignment of the two shafts, and is > why the alignment cones need to be precisely engineered. > > If it still won't budge then try wedging a screwdriver or something in the > slot in the UJ to open it up. You do need to be careful with the later full > energy absorbing column as it is all too easy to shear the nylon inserts if > the is too much force applied along the length of the column. It's force on > the upper half that is more likely to shear them though, the lower half is > pretty firmly located in the outer. > > PaulH. > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> I removed the bolts which hold the steering arms to the kingpins and the >> four bolts which hold the steering rack to the frame and loosened the >> front >> pinch bolt on the u-joint. Before I quit last night I soaked the splines >> with penetrating oil. Is there any trick to getting the lower steering >> column out of the u-joint? I don't want to use too much force for fear of >> distorting the collapsible upper section of the column. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 19 10:42:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DA92D0901 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:42:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo202.cox.net (eastrmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.217]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2BBB2D08E4 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:41:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo110.cox.net ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120419164214.RRMW1165.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo110.cox.net> for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:42:14 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([70.189.79.113]) by eastrmimpo110.cox.net with bizsmtp id zsiD1i00V2Sh9mm02siDLM; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:42:14 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020206.4F904066.00E6,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=9p1evl5cAK1ZYNWAcfn8X6IfAmCGuOPdFgneQpdUexw= c=1 sm=1 a=hpdW4O2G5TgA:10 a=nDghuxUhq_wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=W1QSJKqGGpXRA/tLcq4HlQ==:17 a=AwXM8mogvhLuqBv8bCsA:9 a=D8iMZWY-qgnjBuBJ5PgA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=W1QSJKqGGpXRA/tLcq4HlQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Message-ID: <4F904069.8070300@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 11:42:17 -0500 From: The Roxter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: MG List References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120419-0, 04/19/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Icon X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On 4/18/2012 8:26 PM, Max Heim wrote: > Not to start another flame war, but I have to say I'm curious where this > viewpoint is coming from -- clearly, all manufacturers who sold cars in the > US, not just the Detroit-based ones, were subject to the same government > regulations. So how did this kill the "American car market", which seems to > have survived to the present day? More different companies build cars in the > US today than did in the "unregulated" 1960s. Before the rabid environmentalists took over, cars were designed to be bought by people. American car manufacturers tried to build cars Americans wanted. Then the politicians got into the game, with "CAFE" standards and crash tests pushing the designs from opposite directions. Foreign car-makers were already making smaller cars, so they had an advantage under the new laws. The new standards weren't the only influence that killed Detroit; the unions helped in its demise. Perhaps you have seen the sets of pictures that show Hiroshima and Detroit today. -Rock _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 19 11:47:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40A72D01A6 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 11:47:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from iota.look.ca (iota.look.ca [216.66.192.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047AD2C0956 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 11:45:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lns3-pool-d842ae4e.dsl.look.ca ([216.66.174.78] helo=Barrie.look.ca) by iota.look.ca with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SKvQq-00081A-Nf; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:46:12 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:46:04 -0400 To: The Roxter From: Barrie Robinson In-Reply-To: <4F904069.8070300@gmail.com> References: <4F904069.8070300@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Icon X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Having had considerable experience with UK unions I can attest to the collapse of the UK car makers was 90% the fault of the unions and 10% the fault of management who did not do anything about unions. Only Margaret Thatcher had the guts to stand up and break the unions (miners) incredibly stupid position (..."we don't care if we are unproductive, the market for our goods has gone, and we are paid more than anyone else - we want better pay, more benefits and job security....") - and I come from a miner's family. What is so very funny is that when the UK union bosses found that they too were out of work because the car industry had collapsed, they came over to North America. Canada had Irish, Welsh and English trade unionists and I believe they had them in Detroit too. Thus we had a Detroit with destructive union influences as well as design teams that could not design decent cars and did not have the skills to copy the surging Japanese (now Korean, Chinese et al). I remember a saying attributed to the Pres of GM. Who said "What is good for GM is good for the USA". Well, GM did crash only to be saved by someone stupidly loaning money. The other Pres saying I remember is "We don't make cars, we make profits". The Japanese concentrated on making cars and Detroit concentrated on ? As for the public buying, one can attribute that to the massive expenditure of Detroit advertising, and municipalities blinkered into building transportation for BIG horribly handling gas guzzling behemoths. Just look at the NA sub divisions !!! Of course the NA attitude of "mine is bigger than yours" or "never mind the quality feel the width" helps too. At 12:42 PM 4/19/2012, The Roxter wrote: >On 4/18/2012 8:26 PM, Max Heim wrote: >>Not to start another flame war, but I have to say I'm curious where this >>viewpoint is coming from -- clearly, all manufacturers who sold cars in th >>US, not just the Detroit-based ones, were subject to the same government >>regulations. So how did this kill the "American car market", which seems to >>have survived to the present day? More different companies build cars in the >>US today than did in the "unregulated" 1960s. >Before the rabid environmentalists took over, cars were designed to >be bought by people. American car manufacturers tried to build cars >Americans wanted. Then the politicians got into the game, with >"CAFE" standards and crash tests pushing the designs from opposite >directions. Foreign car-makers were already making smaller cars, so >they had an advantage under the new laws. The new standards weren't >the only influence that killed Detroit; the unions helped in its >demise. Perhaps you have seen the sets of pictures that show >Hiroshima and Detroit today. > >-Rock >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca Regards Barrie barrie@look.ca (705) 721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 19 13:04:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5142D0916 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:04:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm21-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 671FE2D08DA for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:59:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.62] by nm21.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 19:00:01 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.32] by tm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 18:59:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1032.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 18:59:01 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 784018.6782.bm@omp1032.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 54891 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2012 18:59:01 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1334861941; bh=Ijy0aQFp65kMao9OP+aLixIQDdXl/8Ds6KrFUsdruvc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0EQy6s4McosNaVMh9yec8+0lcKNyoREdpKbTEhvi8MFHIrOd3ocSEsfjKDvR3enhes54e2KRU80ah+WKO1BEyrPnb8FEOY6wqgDncxDywO6nuDMo/EZD7hNI52r9W+V/I89bEFvfn7xi90AeF5Z6+cGOCmOC44rMtnwrwedinLA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MAKR9lgrnVJhYmQUTrnaM+ewqD0jH9uqAWdNghf+FhQpn8J9P5Lk2SJ6vO5+rlvEAutckx1bLuLBKPApiAB/oYnqN/Z7xmIxDMQiLotPag5yIRGzROw0bUUf0Hx8micvqcMXkee9U+1+fo5o82Dl1VYabiWSfr4EgrtFTYZaWrA=; X-YMail-OSG: zQf.Io4VM1mysGP0Rgm4.bx2Rvqdl.YwAYI1dKRFABD74Qc NfHcpGdlkzQIV78FCWfGoorWVRCsfzThe_gwA99xRlzaUayrGX6M9rWwx0ZA I.0UyE7QH3sEY5YOXqI.cQ_zeO7BFFqb5dTZ589KnQ7Gw5S4BBCSdrQWl4zB jL1qBn2HF.MIN7_5urxvj1HfAlFL9GsH7LbMh.ZikwqiqDHKnM2Y42fDMrQP N2d8URg0D6IEC8.SM6FTX5P.v4LhASlUYHcJo4k4il_GzPFJG2m9FG1pWl6a Lp1TV9Ark3ogY4SIENoNtoZ1ue8w0sKyJeGTZiCPjbPHUQZKXluSYwSWZhEL wIIgbJY.FCT_cwx0kZq1XZvoNID801tgEHZoJAXIKd0pCa43t_DpBgM7E4sy 7vDGEaXkNKcJ0OBg1G4XSE9BAaBsczCm34aPL26XwgtXVdKfbHPCcQp63qss tDVPFT.sX Received: from [170.35.224.64] by web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 11:59:01 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <4F904069.8070300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1334861941.53003.YahooMailNeo@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 11:59:01 -0700 (PDT) From: David Breneman To: Barrie Robinson , The Roxter In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Icon X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Breneman List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net From: Barrie Robinson > Having had considerable experience with UK unions I can attest to the collapse > of the UK car makers was 90% the fault of the unions and 10% the fault of > management who did not do anything about unions. I can't help but think of Basil's hilarious rant on Fawlty Towers: Another car strike. Marvelous, isn't it? The taxpayers pay them millions each year so they can go on strike. It's called socialism. If they don't like *making cars* why don't they get themselves another bloody job, like designing cathedrals or composing violin concertos? That's it! The British Leyland Concerto, in four movements, all of them slow, with a four-hour tea break in between! I'll tell you why, it's because they're not interested in anything, except lounging about on conveyor belts stuffing themselves with my money! _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 19 14:55:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371F22D0902 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:55:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CFAB2D02CA for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:54:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.0.1.6] (76-191-197-14.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [76.191.197.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q3JKtIOS014124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:55:19 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) From: Rod Williams In-Reply-To: <4F904069.8070300@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:55:18 -0700 Message-Id: <168221FB-1E32-4CF6-9367-9CDAFAE1D026@sonic.net> References: <4F904069.8070300@gmail.com> To: MG List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Was MG Icon Now Detroit Rant X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On Apr 19, 2012, > Before the rabid environmentalists took overUnionsJapan bla-bla-bla This is such a load of horse shit. Read "On A Clear Day You Can See General Motors" written under cover while DeLorean still worked there. Makes you wonder how we survived the '70s. Did we survive the '70s? (Rant over. Sorry. Back to MGs) -- Rod Williams Petaluma, California 1967 MGB _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 19 15:44:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793D52D0906 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 15:44:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98902D08E9 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 15:39:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo305.cox.net ([68.230.241.237]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120419213938.LGTK8874.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo305.cox.net>; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:39:38 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([70.189.79.113]) by eastrmimpo305.cox.net with bizsmtp id zxfd1i00D2Sh9mm02xfd70; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:39:38 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.4F90861A.0036,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=k9EEoncCU8kK9kS82jPvtF4lx9wPs1HURJFhq4DWLbY= c=1 sm=1 a=hpdW4O2G5TgA:10 a=day5QkgQcaIA:10 a=nDghuxUhq_wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=W1QSJKqGGpXRA/tLcq4HlQ==:17 a=VjlxoyslH1LVjAe51WMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=W1QSJKqGGpXRA/tLcq4HlQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Message-ID: <4F908619.9020009@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:39:37 -0500 From: The Roxter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rod Williams References: <4F904069.8070300@gmail.com> <168221FB-1E32-4CF6-9367-9CDAFAE1D026@sonic.net> In-Reply-To: <168221FB-1E32-4CF6-9367-9CDAFAE1D026@sonic.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120419-0, 04/19/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Was MG Icon Now Detroit Rant X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On 4/19/2012 3:55 PM, Rod Williams wrote: This is such a load of horse shit. Read "On A Clear Day You Can See General Motors" written under cover while DeLorean still worked there. Makes you wonder how we survived the '70s. Did we survive the '70s? (Rant over. Sorry. Back to MGs) Well, Mister Williams, Please go fuck yourself. I can do without your insults. I'm out of here. -Rock _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 19 16:03:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E042D0945 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:03:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm5.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A0B582D05F5 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:03:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.189] by nm5.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 22:03:37 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.221] by tm2.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 22:03:37 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.100] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 22:03:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2012 22:03:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 857515.45520.bm@omp1005.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 91630 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2012 22:03:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=MnUQuCcdQwVUCnPNZ0CwKV+GYu8MUkAEVlKrDgiDCyrhbq8IA+m3BEKToxwEtuVjInBVDFoiwLHXeWIn8bb7uWrZQ7gv6mIeBwhMl5zIFMeBlH/SC6VETuy/dwRuQY5idXeNUSYepibvGkDpjaYLB0tJuqvXssIxStvu7rToEpQ= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1334873017; bh=AKn96UY9JJirUExUTy5gFHPnJrsNzyDe3HUPrygDQ78=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=v96fJCJXH5RUWBML86yabl6N4SeyEMaa+M8T17su3cu4wAv+BUA8jX7RsEqhlHya1vH6+DzSWaIEBVwcD40lRjAew3bDM8JVi5k6MHKkevF94Fla8lV+x0FEETrmMAh685EiFVyxXIBY2mvHI+DKk21m1OcVaMsiN9Hp4drulxk= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 62XrKfYVM1l7cWmN3Wb36juf52GPNP5UbondlhuLxf6e1N6 fD__JDCHFOZgDo4OOzUxro_4s1Aaqe2OQjjNh2G9dWf3mZ3cyKxXzGvBEtPG rQu1NeV.bwRfSBpnp_N8MMbT3jbRldAtaotnW8n2eg03vs9oxWQu90uQ6D9V hEvp06yxTA.ZcnZQzOyzrFSXQ0X6HhDFSTvGbkPffzCynAYe2nLrWJavXXgB X552uwOiVDiOMp6LTMsqx0dD2MfTi7WzqZbKxp88Iug5EcDYkkdCEHN.Jaox 2rPpqcCc4mPXFIy6yTVY2Or2dgfF4g4bATp7hFK9coCE89mMH2ZY.8Zv6lUC RfhK_GlNY9v6QlKnb.1bzkQQvthcoJmlzXCCiRimRfHEMZJdLWf7L6lVp.Sa hmVjpSBPcM.83UwtAod8nD3CqQLdIzeFCJu1KFNdIAd9ozvRK5_lBd.KnD2X lNDWVQQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 7_B2xouswBD0hrSL5CCbv46zfH_MLcMRNcH7uvwXR9Q7ZMNw Received: from HomePC (ladaniels@99.149.115.164 with login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2012 15:03:37 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <67780C8A5E66471A887657A28CB25589@HomePC> From: "Larry Daniels" To: "The Roxter" , "Rod Williams" References: <4F904069.8070300@gmail.com><168221FB-1E32-4CF6-9367-9CDAFAE1D026@sonic.net> <4F908619.9020009@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4F908619.9020009@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:03:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Was MG Icon Now Detroit Rant X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Rocky, you seem upset. That may or may not be justified, but, regardless, was unnecessary. Ok, folks, we now see the problems with introducing politics into our car forum. Is everybody happy? We also had somebody saying that GM was "saved by someone stupidly loaning money" even though a company was saved and returned to profitability while saving who knows how many jobs in how many countries. I wonder how many people had a problem with that. Now, can we return to MG related stuff before we piss off even more people? Larry P. S. Rocky, cool off and stick around. Nobody wants you "out of here". -----Original Message----- From: The Roxter Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:39 PM To: Rod Williams Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Was MG Icon Now Detroit Rant On 4/19/2012 3:55 PM, Rod Williams wrote: This is such a load of horse shit. Read "On A Clear Day You Can See General Motors" written under cover while DeLorean still worked there. Makes you wonder how we survived the '70s. Did we survive the '70s? (Rant over. Sorry. Back to MGs) Well, Mister Williams, Please go fuck yourself. I can do without your insults. I'm out of here. -Rock _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ladaniels@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 20 15:16:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A2B2D0983 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:16:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84F42D07C7 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:03:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke53 with SMTP id e53so3192712eek.14 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:03:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iMAMMVXotyoY0pWoq/GmIL9TL+XShQyU3nbffTQrynQ=; b=DrAUlZr/AC3G/wylf6p9JuOSVtDdTX3shd4LNjywNxDJ82ZqtPRlbKP149LtdCyWQc c3rkwtOp4kIhpXVYlg8UqSBmde58u+FoiywDBp7/xUal8L6p4araQ1vwjwZl8AKPEG34 Z++MhZMDuNDvfw/fQRKwr9nbKACCVegx8iEYK27kG6p579fbTo3pxy9NkPTAvpP4nmp1 2+KmeG/vZKmW0Jp1Z1/yK6rFlvVh62af/Y69Smc8LSgQY79XFt0Rz4xmYKYLDDupSmPm azOTdpQqkCqJ5LODtbf0YtDjFK8qwbJoJA3kZ7tQpNO/IyxIm2FV0vjA7fkFHbU7t13g 2+9w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.187.142 with SMTP id y14mr1317519eem.111.1334955810049; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.100.207 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:03:29 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jack Feldman To: mgs@autox.team.net X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Mgs] My Two Cents X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have read two books which address the decline and fall of the British Car industry. The easiest to get was recently published and I is called *Earning the American Dream*.: A Memoir of the Failure of B.M.C.by Gordon Whitby Whitby was west coast service manger for BMC and in on most major events, such as the Bonneville trials of both MG and Healey. He puts the blame on the arrogance of management. . A review is to be found at http://classicmgmagazine.com/BMC.pdf The second is a study which I think is called *The Decline of the British Car Industry using Triumph, MG, and Austin.* It was published by the University of Illinois Press, and is no longer available. I was luck to get an interlibrary loan.The tittle is probably not accurate, but the idea is there. He says that the factories ran smoothly when the shop stewards ran the show, but when management decided they knew better, than things deteriorated rapidly. Neither blame the unions for the problem. That isn't to say that when management poisoned the well, the unions didn't react. Jack _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 21 10:15:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 311122D0643 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:15:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866E52D0643 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:01:42 -0600 (MDT) X-WS-COS: WSOB804 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=3wfOfVNRKFsA:10 a=day5QkgQcaIA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=dBHBNfWK9JJbKc-bt8IA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=bML8tEhfxgeo3wdhLTmuzQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.29.189] ([72.172.29.189:60667] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 77/14-21063-BF9D29F4; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:02:03 -0400 Message-ID: <4F92D9EF.2080507@ktc.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 11:01:51 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101125 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Daniels References: <4F904069.8070300@gmail.com><168221FB-1E32-4CF6-9367-9CDAFAE1D026@sonic.net> <4F908619.9020009@gmail.com> <67780C8A5E66471A887657A28CB25589@HomePC> In-Reply-To: <67780C8A5E66471A887657A28CB25589@HomePC> Cc: The Roxter , MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Was MG Icon Now Detroit Rant X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: ccrobins@ktc.com List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The only problem I have with loaning GM money is that they don't seem to be paying it back now that they're "returned to profitability." CR On 4/19/2012 5:03 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: > We also had somebody saying that GM was "saved by someone stupidly loaning > money" even though a company was saved and returned to profitability while > saving who knows how many jobs in how many countries. I wonder how many > people had a problem with that. > > Larry _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 21 12:09:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536AF2D0689 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:09:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54422D0640 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:03:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.37]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 21 Apr 2012 14:04:19 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA) with ESMTP id BLK79078; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 14:04:18 -0400 X-Auth-ID: degraff Received: from pool-108-56-40-228.washdc.east.verizon.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([108.56.40.228]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 21 Apr 2012 14:04:19 -0400 Message-ID: <4F92F6A6.2030104@erols.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 14:04:22 -0400 From: Elliott and Martha DeGraff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120421-0, 04/21/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: mgs@autox.team.net, "Sallwey, Alex" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fuel Pump X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I know this has been discussed in the past, but does anyone have any (positive/negative) recent experience with replacement fuel pumps for a '71 MGB? My rebuilt engine has just started breakin on a test stand, and I need a reliable fuel pump for installation in the car. Elliott DeGraff 71Bs - one driver and one in restoration 72B - next project _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 21 18:59:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933EA2D0625 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 18:59:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3469C2D0616 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 18:48:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.90]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0ogh1j0051wpRvQ57op4qi; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 00:49:04 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([69.180.198.204]) by omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0op11j01Q4R5SCM3eop2rM; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 00:49:02 +0000 Message-ID: <4F935589.40904@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:49:13 -0500 From: Glenn Schnittke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 59, Issue 20 X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The government is supposed to be a referee, not a player. How well do you think it would have gone over for the NFL to step in and decide that the Cleveland Browns should have won the last Super Bowl and they just 'get' the trophy even though they weren't in the game? Losing is supposed to be a part of life. Iacocca paid HIS note back before it was due but shouldn't have gotten it either. That said, whatever I might think of the Chicoms making MG's now, I note with a sad tinge of satisfaction that they aren't making Triumphs. Glenn On 4/21/2012 1:00 PM, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Was MG Icon Now Detroit Rant > Message-ID:<4F92D9EF.2080507@ktc.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > The only problem I have with loaning GM money is that they don't seem to > be paying it back now that they're "returned to profitability." > > CR > > On 4/19/2012 5:03 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: >> > We also had somebody saying that GM was "saved by someone stupidly loaning >> > money" even though a company was saved and returned to profitability while >> > saving who knows how many jobs in how many countries. I wonder how many >> > people had a problem with that. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 22 10:27:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7092D06A3 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:27:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from gamma.look.ca (gamma.look.ca [216.66.192.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3A0D2D0532 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:27:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lns3-pool-d842ae4e.dsl.look.ca ([216.66.174.78] helo=tower.look.ca) by gamma.look.ca with esmtpa (user simplyyoga@look.ca)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SLzdk-0000BV-NH; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:27:56 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:27:53 -0400 To: Elliott and Martha DeGraff From: Barrie Robinson In-Reply-To: <4F92F6A6.2030104@erols.com> References: <4F92F6A6.2030104@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Cc: mgs@autox.team.net, "Sallwey, Alex" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fuel Pump X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I tried a couple but cannot remember which except one was a Facet. I ended up with a good old (new actually) SU. They give that comforting tick and have been around before the ark. I have had them in my cars since 1953 and never had one bother. At 02:04 PM 4/21/2012, Elliott and Martha DeGraff wrote: >I know this has been discussed in the past, but does anyone have any >(positive/negative) recent experience with replacement fuel pumps >for a '71 MGB? My rebuilt engine has just started breakin on a test >stand, and I need a reliable fuel pump for installation in the car. > >Elliott DeGraff >71Bs - one driver and one in restoration >72B - next project >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca Regards Barrie barrie@look.ca 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 22 11:14:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0944C2D068E for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:14:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from beta.look.ca (beta.look.ca [216.66.192.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4B42D0509 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:14:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lns3-pool-d842ae4e.dsl.look.ca ([216.66.174.78] helo=tower.look.ca) by beta.look.ca with esmtpa (user simplyyoga@look.ca)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SM0NL-0006Qx-7A; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:15:03 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:32:43 -0400 To: Glenn Schnittke ,mgs@autox.team.net From: Barrie Robinson In-Reply-To: <4F935589.40904@comcast.net> References: <4F935589.40904@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 59, Issue 20 X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net ummmm! Hello, they will never make Triumphs just as they will never make MGs. Just Chinese copies :-). hey, my emicon thing is not working ! At 08:49 PM 4/21/2012, Glenn Schnittke wrote: >The government is supposed to be a referee, not a player. How well >do you think it would have gone over for the NFL to step in and >decide that the Cleveland Browns should have won the last Super Bowl >and they just 'get' the trophy even though they weren't in the game? >Losing is supposed to be a part of life. Iacocca paid HIS note back >before it was due but shouldn't have gotten it either. > >That said, whatever I might think of the Chicoms making MG's now, I >note with a sad tinge of satisfaction that they aren't making Triumphs. > >Glenn > >On 4/21/2012 1:00 PM, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: >>Subject: Re: [Mgs] Was MG Icon Now Detroit Rant >>Message-ID:<4F92D9EF.2080507@ktc.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >>The only problem I have with loaning GM money is that they don't seem to >>be paying it back now that they're "returned to profitability." >> >>CR >> >>On 4/19/2012 5:03 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: >>> > We also had somebody saying that GM was "saved by someone >>> stupidly loaning >>> > money" even though a company was saved and returned to >>> profitability while >>> > saving who knows how many jobs in how many countries. I wonder how many >>> > people had a problem with that. >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca Regards Barrie barrie@look.ca 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 22 16:49:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398E72D0526 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 16:49:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523F52D0509 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 16:39:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93AFF2E059 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 16:45:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4F9489E5.4030101@bradakis.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 16:44:53 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120312 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Clean one owner X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Honest, really. Some fellow purchased a new 1980 MGB limited edition. He drove it from Salt Lake up to his place in Heber, about 40 miles away. He died a week or so later. Wow. His son took over the place, the MG sat in a heated outbuilding under wraps for these many years. The daughter now wants to drive it. The first time it came into Mike's shop it had just over 100 miles on it. Friday when we put in a new fuel sending unit it was way up to 500. The parts aren't wearing out, they are dying of boredom! It even has the original tires. Clean, unmolested, wow. She is thinking of driving it to New York this summer. And yes, she will put new tires on it before doing so. Personally if it were mine *I* wouldn't put thousands of miles on it for a road trip. mjb. PS: A shot of my "office" these days:http://bradakis.com/Images/baileys420.jpg _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 22 19:45:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E192D05FC for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:45:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77192D04EB for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:39:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaal1 with SMTP id l1so3525923eaa.14 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:40:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=j0tvPAZ7e1koPkxObj5gvN74qgHAlbzjZynvUgaDuhY=; b=FkqL9e1Iu4lBvLf4JeG6hIgHnAET0VabF9rPX9vZ4nVX6ufoS5wrK/XGQ4tY10PYe4 Jf8lz1xeEd2ippF4L8AHiv80DRlszzNgw5tuXbPAv0kGP7pYn60Jw0wX2aqec3BfbxjL 1a2iiOAXDLvRF0JNyd7DEwhHr9e9kfEXTPcMmxemWI0o3oNeNF1Jw3TmW1Vi5Kb6r7Gc Ss71Uc98d+cefpcNy4+GA5+lQQ7dOK6x769rNOV0nBWqwwR+g9OghwHb3zgdZMV35mQ2 iW1PHNd7TBvzinNGYKQxYF5iHAX3+G6lN0zoz7RjTc4IAAzIrSjd3WXheIzaY+VPWPdV 0mhg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.37.194 with SMTP id y42mr2236526eea.128.1335145200463; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.100.207 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:40:00 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jack Feldman To: mgs@autox.team.net X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Mgs] Fuel Pumps X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I prefer the pump that looks like a cube. It comes with all sorts of brand names on it, even no name. Facet was one of the names. Don't get them from Moss, but try J.C. Whitney where I got mine. Every once in a while Moss comes up with an outrageous price for something that can be gotten for a fraction of the price locally. NAPA no loner carries them, but I"m sure the ones they do carry are just as good. Not knowing how dependable the fuel pump that came with my cars I added a second square pump to each car. They are controlled by a sing pole double throw switch with a center off. That way you can chose either pump or neither to let the carbs run dry when storing the car. Radio Shack has a nice one with a red bat handle to differentiate from the fog and driving light switch. Coming home from a MG2008 my car died. After a brief check I determined my old SU had died, so a simple switch got me started again. When I got home I replaced the old SU with another cube pump.. It is a belt and suspenders approach, but it came in handy. Jack _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 22 19:59:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F6772D06C2 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:59:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp162.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp162.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.162]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960A42D05E6 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:54:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp26.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0C973A8289 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:54:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp26.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: don-AT-napanet.net) with ESMTPSA id 758E9A8314 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:54:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:54:32 -0700 To: mgs@autox.team.net From: Don In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Message-ID: Subject: [Mgs] Fuel Pumps X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Two of the three MGs I own have those little square pumps. They are really noisy and run all the time. Maybe that is good, but I am a purist and like the clicking of an SU which lets me know if it's flooded or not pumping by too much of the soft ticking noise or lack of it. I converted the aftermarket fuel pump on my MGA to an SU. I hope to convert the TF to an SU pump. My MGB's Facet pump is really noisy, and never stops. If it was like an SU that stopped pumping when it had pressure it would not be so irritating. Don Scott Calistoga CA USA 1955 MGTF 1962 MGA Mk 2 1967 MGB 1963-7 MGB (seeking) Misc. Japanese cars At 06:40 PM 4/22/2012, Jack Feldman wrote: >I prefer the pump that looks like a cube. It comes with all sorts of brand >names on it, even no name. Facet was one of the names. > >Don't get them from Moss, but try J.C. Whitney where I got mine. Every once >in a while Moss comes up with an outrageous price for something that can be >gotten for a fraction of the price locally. NAPA no loner carries them, >but I"m sure the ones they do carry are just as good. > >Not knowing how dependable the fuel pump that came with my cars I added a >second square pump to each car. They are controlled by a sing pole double >throw switch with a center off. That way you can chose either pump or >neither to let the carbs run dry when storing the car. Radio Shack has a >nice one with a red bat handle to differentiate from the fog and driving >light switch. > >Coming home from a MG2008 my car died. After a brief check I determined my >old SU had died, so a simple switch got me started again. When I got home I >replaced the old SU with another cube pump.. > >It is a belt and suspenders approach, but it came in handy. > >Jack _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 23 06:02:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E4D12D0537 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:02:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DA4FF2D0509 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:00:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2012 12:00:50 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.196] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2012 12:00:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1054.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2012 12:00:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 192647.74041.bm@omp1054.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 94300 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Apr 2012 12:00:49 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1335182449; bh=sih76nCoBxMyhmfdNg04IgIqsj3arhMUro9+dJihfew=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SE0vvbadqalMm6pDFkE3DnKh9DU9PKDU8hUwNiB7OkSratkXAce58InvfCCt8J6vAju77VHCY6GEUjvLoxirszSb5L6PyBoCjiDbr2Y/GYRJTIBYDJXJkmI5zDVhFTt4ceKEd3aXDzWSWrNsdZLZjHPemogPvMajvdax88LyeEg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lbjNhVP8Sss3OgWvOe8ZyrvNlOJxKSEt569Rjr1IJLn9dHVhrz/Qifj+dcg9DbZE+F82mbfy7NsMvtH1s/74Zew2whH9vQpI/t0ZiY3/1amA9V9dCsSDNN1OqdbpFvSCNQE41aTRQaQHLaG56dNRK/U+DNQYIFP8J6mGJgXGlp0=; X-YMail-OSG: Oi7XgugVM1kdYU7wsk3IX_U.WW2Ri24UkOMCdCPOIgHh_yS 15ads8mNLzky.yo1mroAISryXAhDFbqzxG0EEozRJLbBobFiI5HjMmxjvRBd VMLW3ZZcn7rv3vlzSHcGq7sqD71jwqXpML1YIkMncPGT7p_RIIodAd.t90UK 6QD6fKd64EBT.bLOBR5DbfesQ1CQc_O2c17VFYaN2bPqcOopMF0.JMPrs0pq 9eY_wBOTJA2tbO5v42.18iAgHcmtKT_DHrGEyfGJTF_BhCK6WDObaK4MwAsW phBvNqh_N_q8cyAUiU7a1SEkc1xXUm5tCHR59x4LBohknFWYIUZCVLBNl.Ac nrj5OK4d2ugamqVhX2p7VGl9iVeAD8WKCrMk0aBM2uDl7UUhFSNXKY7FArqS O0rNKpG7IDWSz9GkQzvIPQ5a5dqmx7TAKSo1hBchYfMUA95Mqd.HmuM8zOR3 MK0Mz_HgPZc6YIN3jg8I- Received: from [69.248.129.56] by web39404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 05:00:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <4F9489E5.4030101@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1335182449.79393.YahooMailNeo@web39404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 05:00:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Mark J Bradakis , "Mgs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <4F9489E5.4030101@bradakis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Mgs] Clean one owner X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dan DiBiase List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Is that something like a '49 Mercury lead sled on the lift?? Dan D '65B, '76B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Mark J Bradakis To: Mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 6:44 PM Subject: [Mgs] Clean one owner Honest, really. Some fellow purchased a new 1980 MGB limited edition. He drove it from Salt Lake up to his place in Heber, about 40 miles away. He died a week or so later. Wow. His son took over the place, the MG sat in a heated outbuilding under wraps for these many years. The daughter now wants to drive it. The first time it came into Mike's shop it had just over 100 miles on it. Friday when we put in a new fuel sending unit it was way up to 500. The parts aren't wearing out, they are dying of boredom! It even has the original tires. Clean, unmolested, wow. She is thinking of driving it to New York this summer. And yes, she will put new tires on it before doing so. Personally if it were mine *I* wouldn't put thousands of miles on it for a road trip. mjb. PS: A shot of my "office" these days:http://bradakis.com/Images/baileys420.jpg _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 23 07:38:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162E12D06C2 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:38:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A1E2D05E8 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:37:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE52F2E027 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:44:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4F955C76.5060800@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:43:18 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120312 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mgs@autox.team.net" References: <4F9489E5.4030101@bradakis.com> <1335182449.79393.YahooMailNeo@web39404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1335182449.79393.YahooMailNeo@web39404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Clean one owner X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Dan DiBiase wrote: > Is that something like a '49 Mercury lead sled on the lift?? > > Close. A 1950 Ford with a 350 Chevy and a Camaro subframe up front. mjb. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 23 08:10:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138CE2D06BF for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:10:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc3-s4.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc3-s4.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D282D04C6 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT124-W24 ([65.55.90.136]) by snt0-omc3-s4.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:06:08 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.198.81.95] From: Mike Eldred To: , Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:06:08 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2012 14:06:08.0719 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B2CFDF0:01CD215A] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fuel Pumps X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Double ditto. One of the first "extras" I'll buy for my Midget after it's returned to regular duty is an SU fuel pump to replace the cube that it came with, and a set of SU carbs to replace the Weber that someone stuck in place of the perfectly good SUs that it came with. For me, the biggest reason is that they're long lasting, reliable, and repairable with hand tools and a modicum of mechanical ability. The SU fuel pump on my TF has been rebuilt once in the 45 years we've owned it, and the same with the SU carbs, mainly to replace a couple of worn parts. I don't know if it makes me a purist, but I know I want my MGs to look, sound, smell, and run like they're supposed to. On the other hand, some upgrades I wouldn't hesitate to undertake. If I had the opportunity to upgrade my TF brakes to MGA discs or install an MGA rear, I'd do it for the improved driveability and safety. -Mike EldredWilmington, VT1954 MG TF1973 Midget > Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:54:32 -0700 > To: mgs@autox.team.net > From: don@napanet.net > Subject: [Mgs] Fuel Pumps > > Two of the three MGs I own have those little square pumps. They are > really noisy and run all the time. Maybe that is good, but I am a > purist and like the clicking of an SU which lets me know if it's > flooded or not pumping by too much of the soft ticking noise or lack of it. > I converted the aftermarket fuel pump on my MGA to an SU. I hope to > convert the TF to an SU pump. My MGB's Facet pump is really noisy, > and never stops. If it was like an SU that stopped pumping when it > had pressure it would not be so irritating. > > Don Scott > Calistoga CA USA > 1955 MGTF > 1962 MGA Mk 2 > 1967 MGB > 1963-7 MGB (seeking) > Misc. Japanese cars > > > > > At 06:40 PM 4/22/2012, Jack Feldman wrote: > >I prefer the pump that looks like a cube. It comes with all sorts of brand > >names on it, even no name. Facet was one of the names. > > > >Don't get them from Moss, but try J.C. Whitney where I got mine. Every once > >in a while Moss comes up with an outrageous price for something that can be > >gotten for a fraction of the price locally. NAPA no loner carries them, > >but I"m sure the ones they do carry are just as good. > > > >Not knowing how dependable the fuel pump that came with my cars I added a > >second square pump to each car. They are controlled by a sing pole double > >throw switch with a center off. That way you can chose either pump or > >neither to let the carbs run dry when storing the car. Radio Shack has a > >nice one with a red bat handle to differentiate from the fog and driving > >light switch. > > > >Coming home from a MG2008 my car died. After a brief check I determined my > >old SU had died, so a simple switch got me started again. When I got home I > >replaced the old SU with another cube pump.. > > > >It is a belt and suspenders approach, but it came in handy. > > > >Jack > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/redscirocco@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 23 09:33:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352F12D04C4 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:33:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a33.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcaid.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277D72D046A for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:28:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a33.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a33.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717FC59405E for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:28:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=stclegal.com; h=message-id:date :from:mime-version:to:subject:content-type; q=dns; s= stclegal.com; b=vjfJshNF718xjnFZbdDqmqDj/2BZmcOjcKNOC+EAAqQxgd4o GJisDxDz0eOuvSDOeG5cKIYh16l922e5ORDBrM2g/hYCkYUBFJitNOaY/f1Pncsj GxXteuof1YwYKnc55OWajyUyUzylnr2rSC4xeJbTo98+C/AQajVUd0AXwZg= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=stclegal.com; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:subject:content-type; s=stclegal.com; bh=/RYF251rjQvRLaPtR8GaoNhklbk=; b=jiS8Ic7TwnDMv19AxfSgvc4lPptm 4wJ7jt1QRiNRo152POetYQv7fwRTEpNrOPAFanlwVio2S+fXYXcQvKX+avtii8gv 5wiFTIRjqLf57HpzR0PZzsULFH1978yjVXeYxTvE/TmDZudor3qGxb8/jDocDnE/ c3dDaoTLb0iOqnw= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (66-128-101-178.static.stls.mo.charter.com [66.128.101.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: guinness@stclegal.com) by homiemail-a33.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3C336594059 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4F9574C9.1020709@stclegal.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:27:05 -0500 From: "Robert J. Guinness" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MG List X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Mgs] Removing MGA front hub with steel wheels and disc brakes X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net What is the best way (with limited tools) to remove the front hubs on an MGA with steel wheels and disc brakes? Does anyone have a link to a good video on reassembling the same front hubs? Thanks -- Robert Guinness _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 23 10:54:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5726F2D06AD for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:54:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from epsilon.look.ca (epsilon.look.ca [216.66.192.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964202D0685 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:54:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lns3-pool-d842ae4e.dsl.look.ca ([216.66.174.78] helo=Barrie.look.ca) by epsilon.look.ca with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SMMXB-00075Q-FD; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:54:41 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:34:05 -0400 To: Don ,mgs@autox.team.net From: Barrie Robinson In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fuel Pumps X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net A most interesting subject but may be perception is a great part of it. My perception is that fuel pumps are no more failure prone than belts, capacitors or rotor arms, distributor, water pumps, carbs, fuel lines, etc etc etc. Each one capable of bringing the car to a halt. So why not have standby units for all those units? I have been messing with Brit cars, interspersed with German and Italian ones, since 1951 when my Dad bought me my first car - an MG TD. Never have I had a fuel pump fail but I have had those sickening "blah-blick-click-crunch-grrr-clunk noises which signified the end my particular road trip. At 09:54 PM 4/22/2012, Don wrote: >Two of the three MGs I own have those little square pumps. They are >really noisy and run all the time. Maybe that is good, but I am a >purist and like the clicking of an SU which lets me know if it's >flooded or not pumping by too much of the soft ticking noise or lack of it. >I converted the aftermarket fuel pump on my MGA to an SU. I hope to >convert the TF to an SU pump. My MGB's Facet pump is really noisy, >and never stops. If it was like an SU that stopped pumping when it >had pressure it would not be so irritating. > >Don Scott >Calistoga CA USA >1955 MGTF >1962 MGA Mk 2 >1967 MGB >1963-7 MGB (seeking) >Misc. Japanese cars > > > > >At 06:40 PM 4/22/2012, Jack Feldman wrote: > >I prefer the pump that looks like a cube. It comes with all sorts of brand > >names on it, even no name. Facet was one of the names. > > > >Don't get them from Moss, but try J.C. Whitney where I got mine. Every once > >in a while Moss comes up with an outrageous price for something that can be > >gotten for a fraction of the price locally. NAPA no loner carries them, > >but I"m sure the ones they do carry are just as good. > > > >Not knowing how dependable the fuel pump that came with my cars I added a > >second square pump to each car. They are controlled by a sing pole double > >throw switch with a center off. That way you can chose either pump or > >neither to let the carbs run dry when storing the car. Radio Shack has a > >nice one with a red bat handle to differentiate from the fog and driving > >light switch. > > > >Coming home from a MG2008 my car died. After a brief check I determined my > >old SU had died, so a simple switch got me started again. When I got home I > >replaced the old SU with another cube pump.. > > > >It is a belt and suspenders approach, but it came in handy. > > > >Jack >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca Regards Barrie barrie@look.ca (705) 721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 23 12:29:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6FA12D068E for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:29:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi129.prodigy.net (nlpi129.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94312D0685 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:28:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-99-141-141-117.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [99.141.141.117]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi129.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q3NITPlK020030; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:29:26 -0500 Message-Id: <201204231829.q3NITPlK020030@nlpi129.prodigy.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:29:24 -0500 To: "Robert J. Guinness" , MG List From: Barney Gaylord In-Reply-To: <4F9574C9.1020709@stclegal.com> References: <4F9574C9.1020709@stclegal.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Removing MGA front hub with steel wheels and disc brakes X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Remove grease cap, split pin, spindle nut, and pull the hub off the spindle. The bearings should be press fit in the hub and slip fit on the spindle, but sometimes they may be reluctant to come off the spindle. I like to use a slide hammer to yank on stuborn hubs, like this: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/tools/ts117.htm To remove the bearings requires a bit of finness with a press or hammer and punch. Reassembling front hubs on the MGA (not Twin Cam or "Deluxe") is simple, assuming you retain the original inner race spacer, just install the parts and crank up the torque on the spindle nut (no shimms or special clearance requirements). At 10:27 AM 4/23/2012 -0500, Robert J. Guinness wrote: >What is the best way (with limited tools) to remove the front hubs >on an MGA with steel wheels and disc brakes? Does anyone have a >link to a good video on reassembling the same front hubs? .... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 24 08:21:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5162D076F for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:21:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E672D075F for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:15:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews27.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.193]) by cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:15:34 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT104.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.20]) by cpsps-ews27.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:15:33 +0200 Received: from uw471de61b465c ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT104.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:15:33 +0200 Message-ID: <7A8431B381064744ACA15BE10B079F85@uw471de61b465c> From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:15:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120424-0, 24-04-2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2012 14:15:33.0340 (UTC) FILETIME=[B62111C0:01CD2224] X-RcptDomain: Autox.Team.Net X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Mgs] Off topic - TWO CLASSICS, ONE CAR. X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Dear list - I could not resist to share this. Amazing! Cheers, Hans - 71 BGT in perfect condition again and greatly valued for insurance yesterday 101 Year-Old Woman Drives An 81 Year-Old Car: This video clip is really good. Notice at the very end when she steps on a little red towel to get into the car so she won't dirty the running board, then picks it up and puts it in the car so she can use it when she gets out! An amazing lady, 101 years old driving an 81-year-old car and changes the oil and spark plugs herself! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHwwwJ83oWo _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 24 08:53:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD452D0779 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:53:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a95.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcbef.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AFE2D0762 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:45:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a95.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a95.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00BC81E076 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 07:46:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=stclegal.com; h=message-id:date :from:mime-version:to:subject:content-type; q=dns; s= stclegal.com; b=Jq2+dk4h2W9pW2fjv6AWVGnPDwqgHnxDGF6ndlwPkOoqAX2S mtQDByKQkrN9Qa03t+jjlgiQrZY0Z4eeuzxJr07snZldD7ulVyu5/+P8yEdTmQvh GA/ULC66/e1SD/eRZW5OTJJemf6ZvvUEsNNuHQMMqZUIkdQrldRi7S+MI7o= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=stclegal.com; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:subject:content-type; s=stclegal.com; bh=IKZAWQXVnkZ7zD25936DB7gcIqQ=; b=jzwdmiKzuQZiqSPEH/C9YagqCPqZ aJjWwkn0U3zP1SLQjn0gMxOsB/6Vne3m8YNib937gMxVCvIL3g/vSH2n3YbCLY/t y3pFy+kQl6pThs8kxAPzqiaqTsfZDGltpw1uKSTVE5pwUJCtPyKRmCtvxs9Piq+W YCtfV02ypAKExMk= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (66-128-101-178.static.stls.mo.charter.com [66.128.101.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: guinness@stclegal.com) by homiemail-a95.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BBB071E069 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 07:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4F96BC4D.4070909@stclegal.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:44:29 -0500 From: "Robert J. Guinness" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MG List X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Mgs] Slave Cylinders X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone have an experience using the replacement slave cylinder for MGA' and MGB's from Apa Industries AKA Uro Parts? -- Robert Guinness. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 25 12:49:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 079632D077A for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:49:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from rc2-smtp.comporium.net (rc2-smtp.comporium.net [208.104.2.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD282D03B8 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:47:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rg25.comporium.net ([208.104.244.60]) by rc2-smtp.comporium.net ({44220f39-1a1f-4b8b-8e3d-7d4391b51326}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20120425184819566; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:48:19 +0000 X-RC-FROM: Received: from 67-197-224-170.rh.dsl.dyn.comporium.net (EHLO _191.168.108.230_) ([67.197.224.170]) by rg24.comporium.net (MOS 4.3.3-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id HXT02414; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:48:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Gunderson X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:48:17 -0400 To: "Mgs@autox.team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: [Mgs] For sale MGB X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net 1979 stripped down to restore now for sale. Located in Rock Hill, SC. I do not have any pics right now. Let me know if interested. Sent from my iPhone 4 Text me at : Thgun@textnow.me _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 25 19:55:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D3A2D078D for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:55:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.mail.wowway.com (smtp.wow.synacor.com [64.8.70.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A1CB2D0786 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:51:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=RpQBCDGJtYwgyWBZUfXTAM3eQg7yD/C+bZVD+SjyvIk= c=1 sm=0 a=AhRLOILGsKkA:10 a=a8X2ARMWUyeIkZGLYb0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=NLpboXqZfFHznYETz5YA:9 a=bojUDIachPp4HHmEl3IA:7 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=h2iXxT9cPBYAUMbPaTmFYw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.wow.synacor.com smtp.mail=runner01@wowway.com; spf=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.wow.synacor.com: 96.27.166.67 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of wowway.com) Received: from [96.27.166.67] ([96.27.166.67:52350] helo=AcerPC) by smtp.mail.wowway.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r(29895/29896)) with ESMTPS (cipher=AES256-SHA) id E8/07-25600-B4AA89F4; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:52:11 -0400 From: "Ray Graham" To: Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:51:56 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01cd234f$29bea180$7d3be480$@wowway.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 X-Antivirus: avast! X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Thread-Index: Ac0jTylOVPvPgQa+TU6V5S1U1JfCtw== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120425-1, 04/25/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Mgs] 1966 OD Plug X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Folks: I decided to change the gearbox oil in my 1966 MGB. I have drained the main gear box, but when I attempt to remove the OD plug which is marked "Drain" I can't find the correct wrench to fit.what gives? What size is this? I plan to refill with 20W50 oil.same that I run in the engine.right? Manuals say about 2-2.5 qts. for gearbox and OD? Thanks, Ray Graham _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 25 21:31:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD04D2D07A6 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:31:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail929c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail929c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.119]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9A12D0317 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:21:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Authenticated-User: ejrussell.mebtel.net Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-2-208.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.2.208]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail929c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q3Q3MOuj011771 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 03:22:25 GMT Message-ID: <00CA80D8DF0548E29ECA6B35F18E45B8@EricJRussellPC> From: "Eric J Russell" To: Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:14:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=aMFBb9pclUvNCxh69xwlxSVpaR0RwBSm+d09BWkRgOM= c=1 sm=1 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=wJjgFq53tGJlaoXvjQHWgA==:17 a=OjMvAQ6rwU2p6Rw9GqgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=5--qpf0ES6RDuqreqPMA:9 a=AFMnYQOH4jkpIzx5cvkA:7 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=wJjgFq53tGJlaoXvjQHWgA==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020209.4F98BF72.002D, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Mgs] seeking MGA differential X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net During the on-going restoration of my MGA I have discovered a broken pinion gear in the rear axle. Anyone got a useable used MGA (or early MGB 'banjo' type) differential to sell? I am seeking a 4.3:1 unit. This will be used in a vintage race car - a 3.9:1 ration (as is most common in the MGB) will likely be too high a gear ratio. Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 26 14:09:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D44BC2D0851 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:09:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 325B02D07C9 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:04:49 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=juno.com; s=alpha; t=1335470718; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=Qjqod9RqppHsNyPDF16vM07LcxQrkj0eNhrdrexigtkSLJf4VWLMpd/wSsSy839y1 L0Xd1WZp6k2zNM035jS1WTLBgSUxXhNwkn0SUaE3V9ISlRmW8RYmXtRqjgdGcE52FS N56AeoW9+KdE4+VzSq2njp6HUo2zPCyQPZ6oGko8= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.103]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABH3VLV4APT477A for (sender ); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:05:14 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: aGPh9ST/SwRoOur2r56wmk6SklIFDHxebc5reQa9unENsdFFtT9uxA== Received: (from mgbob@juno.com) by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id R7AS67YU; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:05:13 PDT Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:04:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [108.88.216.197] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:04:25 GMT To: runner01@wowway.com, mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20120426.160425.1482.3@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> X-UNTD-BodySize: 3598 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:1529507449 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.181.12.103|webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com|outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com|mgbob@juno.com X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1966 OD Plug X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net It probably started out as a British size, but one can only guess what is in there now. Let's hope that a DPO did not force in a plug with non-original threads. You can grind/file a wrench to fit, or use an adjustable spanner. As you are working upside down, are you certain that you are turning in the correct direction? John Esposito, Quantum Mechanics, says that use of the oil in the engine is OK, but prefers the use of straight 30w oil. See his discussion on his site about it. Good practice is to pour in a bit less than the specified amount, then test & top off as needed. Draining off excess is not a pleasant task. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Ray Graham" To: Subject: [Mgs] 1966 OD Plug Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:51:56 -0500 Folks: I decided to change the gearbox oil in my 1966 MGB. I have drained the main gear box, but when I attempt to remove the OD plug which is marked "Drain" I can't find the correct wrench to fit.what gives? What size is this? I plan to refill with 20W50 oil.same that I run in the engine.right? Manuals say about 2-2.5 qts. for gearbox and OD? Thanks, Ray Graham _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 04:09:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350132D065D for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 04:09:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4101F2D0643 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 04:03:24 -0600 (MDT) X-WS-COS: WSOB804 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=3wfOfVNRKFsA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ByY9HCG8s5NZEYQDM-QA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=bML8tEhfxgeo3wdhLTmuzQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.29.189] ([72.172.29.189:61711] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 01/D3-15653-80F6A9F4; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:03:52 -0400 Message-ID: <4F9A6EFF.6080002@ktc.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:03:43 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101125 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mgbob@juno.com" References: <20120426.160425.1482.3@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20120426.160425.1482.3@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1966 OD Plug X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: ccrobins@ktc.com List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net One of the phenomena about our LBCs is the that everybody has his/her own idea about the fluids to use in the things. Seem like the factory manual has to be superseded by "facts." So, the factory manual says to use engine oil in the transmission & overdrive? Nuts! Folklore sez that ain't right! Let's put (fill in the blanks) in it! Sheesh, I can remember when there was a long thread on this list about whether to use detergent oil in the gearbox or not. Someone came up with the bright idea that the detergents would harm the synchros. Me, I figure that the engineers who designed the gearbox might know what lube to use in it and they said so in the manual. My gearbox/overdrive has Castrol 20W50 in it. Been running that way for many years. OOPS! I'm now using Valvoline Racing oil in the engine for the ZDDP content. Yikes! Maybe I ought to replace the oil in the tranny!(?) And so it goes.......... CR _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 04:09:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA822D065F for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 04:09:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226192D0651 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 04:04:54 -0600 (MDT) X-WS-COS: WSOB804 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=3wfOfVNRKFsA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Cq7beL2-sIDuvOJ0InQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=bML8tEhfxgeo3wdhLTmuzQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.29.189] ([72.172.29.189:61714] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id F2/55-21063-26F6A9F4; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:05:22 -0400 Message-ID: <4F9A6F5A.8070708@ktc.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:05:14 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101125 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mgbob@juno.com" References: <20120426.160425.1482.3@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20120426.160425.1482.3@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1966 OD Plug X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: ccrobins@ktc.com List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Leave that plug in the OD alone. Refill the gearbox and don't worry. The oil will get in the OD anyway. CR _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 09:43:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C872D0703 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:43:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound004.roc2.bluetie.com (outbound004.roc2.bluetie.com [208.89.132.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793E82D0666 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:36:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from emta002.roc2.bluetie.com ([10.200.2.132]) by outbound004.roc2.bluetie.com with bizsmtp id 33dA1j0012qtbDE013dAf5; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:37:10 -0400 X-CMAE-OUT-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=TuRkdUrh c=1 sm=1 a=5jeMHoZYsqY/Yl2g3nVb7w==:17 a=zMy2wUmFVZkA:10 a=6Cz92zhQS3QA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JV2GybV0AAAA:8 a=TCJfhfxuRLiIiRPQmhoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=IVEPL9XYA4gA:10 a=ae2+IPv5l6s3gGnV0LI0Iw==:117 X-CMAE-OUT-Score: 0.00 Received: from LABRADOR (66.64.143.2.nw.nuvox.net [66.64.143.2]) (Authenticated sender: Lister@Bonackers.com) by emta002.roc2.bluetie.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D8F828159 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:37:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott Bonacker" To: Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:36:57 -0500 Organization: Scott Bonacker Message-ID: <022201cd248b$94c95910$be5c0b30$@bonackers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac0ki5L00YhETbKxR6SyDzWguiw6Ig== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] seeking MGA differential X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net There's a '55 MGA sitting off the highway in South Central Missouri - if you buy it you can have all of the salvage parts. Scott Bonacker Rogersville, MO -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Eric J Russell Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:15 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] seeking MGA differential During the on-going restoration of my MGA I have discovered a broken pinion gear in the rear axle. Anyone got a useable used MGA (or early MGB 'banjo' type) differential to sell? I am seeking a 4.3:1 unit. This will be used in a vintage race car - a 3.9:1 ration (as is most common in the MGB) will likely be too high a gear ratio. Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/lister@bonackers.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 09:44:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EFA82D0690 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:44:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from beta.look.ca (beta.look.ca [216.66.192.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573DE2D0662 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:41:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lns2-pool-d8429553.dsl.look.ca ([216.66.149.83] helo=Barrie.look.ca) by beta.look.ca with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SNnIa-0006Ru-Vj; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:41:33 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:12:35 -0400 To: ccrobins@ktc.com,"mgbob@juno.com" From: Barrie Robinson In-Reply-To: <4F9A6EFF.6080002@ktc.com> References: <20120426.160425.1482.3@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> <4F9A6EFF.6080002@ktc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1966 OD Plug X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I am an engineer from good old Blighty and I know that engineers can be wrong. I bought a new Maserati Biturbo and found that 2nd gear sucked. I heard Alfa Romeos had the same problem but had solved it by using ATF so I tried it. Worked beautifully and my gearbox worked like a Swiss sewing machine for years. So the engineers were wrong and recommend the wrong oil. One consideration is that modern machinery means closer tolerances which effects any reconditioned engine that has had the bores, pistons, and piston rings done. Another consideration is that oil, petrol, and grease have changed since MGBs were pups. At 06:03 AM 4/27/2012, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: >One of the phenomena about our LBCs is the that everybody has >his/her own idea about the fluids to use in the things. Seem like >the factory manual has to be superseded by "facts." So, the factory >manual says to use engine oil in the transmission & >overdrive? Nuts! Folklore sez that ain't right! Let's put (fill >in the blanks) in it! > >Sheesh, I can remember when there was a long thread on this list >about whether to use detergent oil in the gearbox or not. Someone >came up with the bright idea that the detergents would harm the synchros. > >Me, I figure that the engineers who designed the gearbox might know >what lube to use in it and they said so in the manual. My >gearbox/overdrive has Castrol 20W50 in it. Been running that way >for many years. > >OOPS! I'm now using Valvoline Racing oil in the engine for the ZDDP >content. Yikes! Maybe I ought to replace the oil in the tranny!(?) > >And so it goes.......... > >CR >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca Regards Barrie barrie@look.ca (705) 721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 12:57:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1098E2D0625 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:57:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25BF32D0619 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:53:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120427185337.FVXQ28064.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:53:37 +0100 Received: from TomVistaPC ([86.8.35.201]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with SMTP id <20120427185337.GWWD13318.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@TomVistaPC> for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:53:37 +0100 Message-ID: <375D81789D44455AAB794EF18314008D@TomVistaPC> From: "Tom McCay - Classic-Car-World Ltd" To: "MG List" Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:53:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=R50lirqlHffDPPkwUlkuVa99MrvKdVWo//yz83qex8g= c=1 sm=0 a=SwtCKMz6xJQA:10 a=qJSTaHS7k8gA:10 a=f3Lq3DPyVkF0M1c-3skA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=ifHT5JBW4X7avFsWwrMA:9 a=0lrfY-Di8_L3Ag_8USkA:7 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Mgs] MGA door pillar spacing X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi guys, I'm in the process of starting to strip down my latest project (MK1 MGA1600). The car would appear to be original but in need of a full body off rebuild with the usual repairs. I'm making a set of door gap bracing out of 1" square box section to keep the body ridged when I lift it off the chassis. The bracing will be welded to plates which will be screwed to the hinge mounting points and the door shut mounting. Measuring everything up I currently have a 1/4" difference between the near side and the off side door gaps when measured between the inside edges at the top of the A & B pillars. The measurements I have are 30" & 30+1/4". Does anyone have the measurements as they should be or a car which is correct and can take the measurements for me please? Many thanks Tom MK1 MGA 1600 AH 3000 BJ8 Classic Mini Park Lane. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 13:13:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99A12D079A for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:13:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3AE742D054D for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:12:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 22505 invoked by uid 0); 27 Apr 2012 19:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2012 19:13:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=DbBAw80dgxRGNUrezyvKoRSL4dMmjAIvWKV/7iITtXY=; b=VuIF1nniT2U4lQgC5Mq88zkEzEqbcgBH5iOjCxFus9HBq8yoo+3uwAKFI1KWLxlo0jLhbkO6D0QMCucklY+tMAykz86QaOrigc9dXUlfppq8LO6KqH3WhMh4TAsvW48L; Received: from c-24-15-13-164.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([24.15.13.164] helo=[192.168.0.103]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SNqbg-0008Fm-88 for mgs@autox.team.net; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:13:28 -0600 Message-ID: <4F9AEFD8.2090200@justbrits.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:13:28 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120312 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <375D81789D44455AAB794EF18314008D@TomVistaPC> In-Reply-To: <375D81789D44455AAB794EF18314008D@TomVistaPC> X-Identified-User: {2641:box609.bluehost.com:justbrit:justbrits.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA door pillar spacing X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net << On 4/27/2012 1:53 PM, Tom McCay - Classic-Car-World Ltd wrote: I'm making a set of door gap bracing out of 1" square box section to keep the body ridged when I lift it off the chassis. >> Big time OVERKILL, Tom ! ! Just p/u a couple "sticks" (1/2" x 8' or 10' foot - area dependent) of electrical conduit. Cut to proper over-sized length and add @ 4" to both ends. Get your handy-dandy BFH out and flatten those 4" ends. Locate the 1st piece, oh say 4" down from top of door and screw into place. Repeat and bottom of door opening. Repeat using a diagonal piece of pipe across door opening. Repeat on the other side ! ! Same procedure for front to back and any other location you feel needs bracing. I've got a pic of a MGTD 'tub' done this way and it has been moved a LOT. Doors FALL into perfect place ! ! Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com PS: I'll try to find later today, put up on my site and let ya'll know when up. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 15:03:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F9C12D05EE for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:03:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a32.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcaib.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD2D2D03A3 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:01:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a32.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a32.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15429584064 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:02:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=stclegal.com; h=message-id:date :from:mime-version:to:subject:content-type; q=dns; s= stclegal.com; b=wnWDxVkf4r6eJSC1RGVvZ3asDzzDN5rrGpInVgJyY5H2QgXl 0FJeClrtqw0dUw4j5yxRzjqPMw8YfH9sxaqCWfzwBPIs5hxVQYppagHHB0X4YVp4 eqjNvrcJi2uRMqlBlFVkKzgbH4rnxpoFXbdzYR2+h5rQ0/nj1In/qgvXk+A= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=stclegal.com; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:subject:content-type; s=stclegal.com; bh=u089qxQBdSFIvuUhQBrWiHactDM=; b=mWG1yqBWlz6sb5UkBs2CEn2jK263 bKhvXsRaPx2dReXdIqtJPq6ftuvOD701ZZ6hLzyDXymYILHVpYM45dDF9eQPFDqy gAFZKqwhRxihR02TvY+eH94rk7HrRvnbmQ05bXyEgko0hr86S/U/Td9eOfhC1RcF K8uEO3lMZUhKqyA= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (66-128-101-178.static.stls.mo.charter.com [66.128.101.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: guinness@stclegal.com) by homiemail-a32.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D36A3584059 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4F9B0909.4020000@stclegal.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:00:57 -0500 From: "Robert J. Guinness" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120420 Thunderbird/12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MG List X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Mgs] Source for rubber suspension boots seals that won't perish quickly X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone have a source for the rubber seals on the front suspension of an MGA that are not prone to disintegration in two years? I am referring to the small rubber caps/boots that seal the interface between the swivel pin and the links, and seal the inset washers at the send of the link bolts (item 18 on your Moss exploded diagram) -- Robert Guinness _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 15:52:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5355D2D0780 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:52:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (fed1rmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC222D0608 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:52:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo305.cox.net ([68.230.241.173]) by fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120427215312.MZDY24333.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305.cox.net>; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:53:12 -0400 Received: from fed1rmwml213 ([172.18.140.218]) by fed1rmimpo305.cox.net with bizsmtp id 39tC1j00B4iv3b8039tC7j; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:53:12 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.4F9B1548.00B5,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1WSxpXRbjyx9QIAvh5qQop0IufsZvhZT00CJYEsGv/o= c=1 sm=1 a=S3kYg4VXO7sA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=A2tPPWyBTTIA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=EZ+V64KHbezNLO0M1orHNw==:17 a=T1nphKLk3gWadiDeHzwA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=EZ+V64KHbezNLO0M1orHNw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 12.31.160.129 by webmail.west.cox.net; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:53:12 -0400 Message-ID: <20120427175312.NERMR.493907.imail@fed1rmwml213> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:53:12 -0400 From: To: MG List , "Robert J. Guinness" In-Reply-To: <4F9B0909.4020000@stclegal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Mgs] Source for rubber suspension boots seals that won't perish quickly X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I wish I knew. I wonder if coating them with armorall before installation would help? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 21:58:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18A32D0642 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:58:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D19772D060D for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:57:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 17089 invoked by uid 0); 28 Apr 2012 03:58:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2012 03:58:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=fSnBP0P2XgFvLL4O1bNMOJYjfs1H96yNQFa3fcqdX+g=; b=cgXcc7RmnT+DbQqZf/G7VsQX2fxelzlYA93Yk+4c1eRhb8GBsR034lk19HV6Mj68AJWLLIvWhYE4EclDuOgc4fazOMRor3K0gPmHvsVQvroBf+XcizmN32dHZwDdZEPe; Received: from c-24-15-13-164.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([24.15.13.164] helo=[192.168.0.103]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SNynk-0003XJ-0f for Mgs@autox.team.net; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:58:28 -0600 Message-ID: <4F9B6AE3.4030200@justbrits.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:58:27 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120312 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 4 - MGs X-Identified-User: {2641:box609.bluehost.com:justbrit:justbrits.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Mgs] Project for Barney ? ! ? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net ** One (1) winter, Barney ? ! ? Anon *XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX **http://tinyurl.com/76hyfl3 or ** http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MG-PARTS-CAR-NO-RESERVE-/280870494867?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item41652fa293 * _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 27 23:15:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3FEE2D07C3 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:15:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi129.prodigy.net (nlpi129.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E502D07A4 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:14:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-99-139-120-155.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [99.139.120.155]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi129.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q3S5FOYn018052; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 00:15:25 -0500 Message-Id: <201204280515.q3S5FOYn018052@nlpi129.prodigy.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 00:15:17 -0500 To: , From: Barney Gaylord In-Reply-To: <4F9B6AE3.4030200@justbrits.com> References: <4F9B6AE3.4030200@justbrits.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Project for Barney ? ! ? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Obviously someone got killed in that one. I'd like to see a video of that accident, just to see what caused all the body damage. It looks like a mostly complete car. Pity the frame is bent. Would make a nice kit car if you chuck the body. If it was closer to home I might turn it into $2500 in parts. At 10:58 PM 4/27/2012 -0500, \" Just Brits \" Shop wrote: >.... >One (1) winter, Barney ? ! ? >.... >http://tinyurl.com/76hyfl3 >or >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MG-PARTS-CAR-NO-RESERVE-/280870494867?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item41652fa293 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 28 00:26:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423652D034E for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 00:26:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp450.redcondor.net (smtp450.redcondor.net [208.80.204.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4D92D07A3 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 00:25:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgp.netins.net ([167.142.229.73]) by smtp450.redcondor.net ({4ad064a1-3618-4418-b4ee-963987bff397}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20120428062601720; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:26:01 +0000 X-RC-FROM: Received: from [208.126.78.151] (account riverside@southslope.net HELO rileyPC) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.13) with ESMTPA id 320643547; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 01:25:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , "MG List" , "Robert J. Guinness" References: <20120427175312.NERMR.493907.imail@fed1rmwml213> In-Reply-To: <20120427175312.NERMR.493907.imail@fed1rmwml213> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 01:25:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3508.1109 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Source for rubber suspension boots seals that won't perish quickly X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Nope,doesn't help a bit. Ron -----Original Message----- From: stargazer1@cox.net Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:53 PM To: MG List ; Robert J. Guinness Subject: Re: [Mgs] Source for rubber suspension boots seals that won't perish quickly I wish I knew. I wonder if coating them with armorall before installation would help? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/riverside@southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4963 - Release Date: 04/27/12 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 28 05:39:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B9BD2D07BD for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:39:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138D32D04E8 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:39:15 -0600 (MDT) X-WS-COS: WSOB804 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=3wfOfVNRKFsA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=uaozjW-Vd52MuYmviBIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=evWkRT98MvK6/QCuZ43wXA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.26.231] ([72.172.26.231:61141] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 0D/EE-15653-107DB9F4; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:39:45 -0400 Message-ID: <4F9BD6F7.4020804@ktc.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:39:35 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101125 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: mgs@autox.team.net References: <20120426.160425.1482.3@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> <4F9A6EFF.6080002@ktc.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1966 OD Plug X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: ccrobins@ktc.com List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net What do you mean by "second gear sucked" Barrie? Did it suck air? :-D Actually, it sounds like there was something bad about the design of the gearbox and the ATF was a patch on the problem. Glad it worked out for you, though. CR On 4/27/2012 10:12 AM, Barrie Robinson wrote: > I am an engineer from good old Blighty and I know that engineers can > be wrong. I bought a new Maserati Biturbo and found that 2nd gear > sucked. I heard Alfa Romeos had the same problem but had solved it by > using ATF so I tried it. Worked beautifully and my gearbox worked > like a Swiss sewing machine for years. So the engineers were wrong > and recommend the wrong oil. One consideration is that modern > machinery means closer tolerances which effects any reconditioned > engine that has had the bores, pistons, and piston rings done. > Another consideration is that oil, petrol, and grease have changed > since MGBs were pups. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 28 06:59:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA452D04FE for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:59:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6022D04C5 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:54:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [67.87.111.78] (ool-43576f4e.dyn.optonline.net [67.87.111.78]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0M3600HYAX7L3QW0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:55:00 -0400 From: Chris Moog In-reply-to: <4F9BD6F7.4020804@ktc.com> To: mgs@autox.team.net Message-id: <4F9BE8A4.70907@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <20120426.160425.1482.3@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> <4F9A6EFF.6080002@ktc.com> <4F9BD6F7.4020804@ktc.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1966 OD Plug X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: cgmoog@optonline.net List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I try to follow OEM recommendations but do stray on some lubrication issues. Some times the OEMs have no clue. The LT77 5-speed is one such example. Started as SAE 75 gearbox oil, then they recommended engine oil, then ATF. I also believe MGs started with gearbox oil then changed their recommendation to engine oil to improve shift action. In most of my manual boxes, I use Pennzoil Sychromesh Transmission fluid. Its a synthetic low viscosity (slightly thicker than AFT, Almost the same as 10weight oils, designed to solve some heat and bearing related failures in GM Fiero transmissions made by Getrag (or so I've heard). Its very popular with the T5 Mustang crowd. Seems to keep smooth shifts in a box that well known for balky upshifts (fiber sychros are not too strong). On 4/28/2012 7:39 AM, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: > Actually, it sounds like there was something bad about the design of > the gearbox and the ATF was a patch on the problem. Glad it worked > out for you, though. > > >> I am an engineer from good old Blighty and I know that engineers can >> be wrong. I bought a new Maserati Biturbo and found that 2nd gear >> sucked. I heard Alfa Romeos had the same problem but had solved it by >> using ATF so I tried it. Worked beautifully and my gearbox worked >> like a Swiss sewing machine for years. So the engineers were wrong >> and recommend the wrong oil. One consideration is that modern >> machinery means closer tolerances which effects any reconditioned >> engine that has had the bores, pistons, and piston rings done. >> Another consideration is that oil, petrol, and grease have changed >> since MGBs were pups. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/cgmoog@optonline.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net