From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 12:15:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA802D0901 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 12:15:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9E5B2D0707 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 11:16:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews29.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.195]) by cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 2 May 2012 19:16:48 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT109.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.28]) by cpsps-ews29.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Wed, 2 May 2012 19:16:48 +0200 Received: from uw471de61b465c ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT109.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Wed, 2 May 2012 19:16:47 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 19:16:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120502-0, 02-05-2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2012 17:16:47.0889 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B2B9010:01CD2887] X-RcptDomain: Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.carnewschina.com/2010/04/19/saic-working-on-new-mg-roadster-engine-up-front/ Looks better than the previous gig. Cheers, Hans Duinhoven 71 BGT on the road again _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 13:39:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202EA2D0930 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 13:39:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gy0-f169.google.com (mail-gy0-f169.google.com [209.85.160.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 137D12D0641 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 12:56:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ghrr18 with SMTP id r18so1454452ghr.14 for ; Wed, 02 May 2012 11:57:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=oLAU8HRwZdhB2bd7pxJCTEd9rKABuUyVncSMjQzQt7g=; b=RzIfHJ1SVFIW7yZi6DE/VfNHw3OjgBbZA0ueH9hx9FTFQJP6aes+UHWVpDE1b+FrtJ MCrG1i0NqZnBxaghrlxA47Z3HHZD1UcyEGhnukRbnrc0PGfX9VxT7YRRCoH2TAjOKY1E yn1LsZ1slRpyVe0bgS2BoyUS4WcceVBMBNwz67h1sohiIZRiRVDpMei9YdbgCSB2nlOP C2xwGSfOdRm2Kio3IzNb4vkz4HKoz2pFrN/6HO1UZDmnSzT43yD+KwdnrmckkYlW6Yxo Id/nAdBQb8StEgxfhJuPGa93ZEkhyVWDswjBmfh/pABgXPZv+3BjlMySbfqPrpg2R96S /jPA== Received: by 10.50.216.232 with SMTP id ot8mr6708321igc.22.1335985032803; Wed, 02 May 2012 11:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phoenix.iaces.com ([204.147.87.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id iu5sm3424817igc.14.2012.05.02.11.57.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 May 2012 11:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) From: Paul Root In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 13:57:08 -0500 Message-Id: <10B7BE23-95A5-4975-A8DB-D417250965C6@gmail.com> References: To: "Hans Duinhoven" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: mgs@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Looks ok. Not great. Autoweek gave the MG SUV thing at Bejing the Best Concept award. On May 2, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Hans Duinhoven wrote: > http://www.carnewschina.com/2010/04/19/saic-working-on-new-mg-roadster-engine -up-front/ > > Looks better than the previous gig. > > Cheers, > > Hans Duinhoven > 71 BGT on the road again _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 14:14:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8A62D0901 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 14:14:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CE1482D07BE for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 13:17:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm22.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2012 19:17:53 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.236] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2012 19:17:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1036.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2012 19:17:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 901238.54054.bm@omp1036.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 71242 invoked by uid 60001); 2 May 2012 19:17:53 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1335986273; bh=w7Sp/9LNNpv6so3FAcXv0TpyaD4ke7wEKP8vTSPrmNg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5GFGCpKu5N1WhnxmT5/k4s9dFdTeBd63zGVk6zbxFvQlcPz/NVv8cN6Y9mxkidLFEImaUyI9r6KOFueZ2KM9TFOaqYFnP9tFsuYInzbHH4vDzjRnNy964LLaAiQPrPCes/uvWwViguCrkmotaD7RsbxGjpbvID49ezlQEZss2VY= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ABAt+4cgVcXAgoiYR2E0tvczfldadk9RiN2xYjLGBO+G6d2i+jrDXSVLCFbM03eq4lk+6rEJzYqIrb4s4OzU7N75nSWACbiOWDYWks+qA7ihsUunAZa4Xn7S4h4c4r1J0mn11f57ciFMJcAnS87VXunQU8HPHFKsfWFyI4V0ztY=; X-YMail-OSG: zhFfNw8VM1lfl7P2J5d9_HqHduk00jTeRWcmdQbZkuZkKTT mO1LcMwh1vZwOEH03.5MkkpeBdVY6eR7EN_SMBZhlHrkwSKHiv_AiyH0zQvA Labpr.ETq1uUGGOLxo8ESYEePIO3tf.hIc596mgeuRXwsYmwbhCX_gbYy2qJ VRtYgIAOPUjtL2.nFY5aA_XpmP5cOhAIEohgmyxS3wFrl2IjyQ4sGjuOvV4P Ee03_j01E4i0D_kxm.G1G7TsPG5.nG8lUEttiLfOV6KIFLfoZPlzwn_jT9xN f85oEuIaOI9nIGu5FELaAJR7uOautQzlI.Lg3bO.sdK.01u3UGCPm74WxXQe gIeA0YXo2k5QBcON9jMzP1EOqq5zWE3gKcKd87rt2f0eEpV0TLOun9hfOwQU lvqm6UGoW_KZD9lD0k_GKrml45rAnK3AEHxbpS6lwM.MqRl7WYKJ1WWe3XQA IDsDHagiDdM9geKaMkGl3svK_L4th3HfOxiO_ldl8_sT7nEyE13h.pB1DkML Ay7t6iBrCRgWdjAlZd3N7IgyDwUfj7nPQKIuAOul.j76Ku_yXr40.7cHlfqP AlcSoXtyTBjcVEmsfl8GH1as8UIzQvIOcgO_zqWVd4qvZZQYTJRL3ikA1_BK kJOjrZ4w.6uk- Received: from [69.248.129.56] by web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 May 2012 12:17:53 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: Message-ID: <1335986273.61040.YahooMailNeo@web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 12:17:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Hans Duinhoven , MG List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dan DiBiase List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I wonder if the driving wheels are also up front.... Dan D ________________________________ From: Hans Duinhoven To: mgs@Autox.Team.Net Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 1:16 PM Subject: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? http://www.carnewschina.com/2010/04/19/saic-working-on-new-mg-roadster-engine -up-front/ Looks better than the previous gig. Cheers, Hans Duinhoven 71 BGT on the road again _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 14:43:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C7912D076C for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 14:43:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6782D073C for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 14:11:22 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=kGlqYriJHd8wAuvHO5k9H0CcNd5vfg0EvNVjBg4l4GejLbY670Au+Sq0WdL2xsQG; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:X-Mailer:MIME-Version:Subject:X-Priority:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [174.252.189.26] (helo=[10.255.48.231]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SPftg-0005wk-9E; Wed, 02 May 2012 16:11:37 -0400 Message-ID: <0d439459-2fb9-4804-9308-cf597de828ac@blur> From: "Brad Wilson" To: "Paul Root", "Hans Duinhoven" Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 15:11:50 -0500 X-Mailer: Motorola android mail 1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <10B7BE23-95A5-4975-A8DB-D417250965C6@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <10B7BE23-95A5-4975-A8DB-D417250965C6@gmail.com> X-ELNK-Trace: aca6c0d1e28513bf08431c685b6285bc416dc04816f3191c35c519481cff1b505e9df915e4ccc679d1ca0e3be97fa7bb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 174.252.189.26 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: mgs@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Mgs] =?utf-8?q?Successor_of_MGTF_=3F?= X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net They have ruined it. Engine should be where it is now. As Porsche say evolution not revolution. Brad Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Paul Root To: Hans Duinhoven Cc: mgs@Autox.Team.Net Sent: Wed, 02 May 2012, 18:57:08 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? Looks ok. Not great. Autoweek gave the MG SUV thing at Bejing the Best Concept award. On May 2, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Hans Duinhoven wrote: > http://www.carnewschina.com/2010/04/19/saic-working-on-new-mg-roadster-engine -up-front/ > > Looks better than the previous gig. > > Cheers, > > Hans Duinhoven > 71 BGT on the road again _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/trijagparts@mindspring.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 15:32:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED3452D07DF for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 15:32:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: Mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E257F2D07A0 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 15:01:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e690f.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.105.15]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0M3E000RXYF4HH20@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for Mgs@autox.team.net; Wed, 02 May 2012 17:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 17:01:13 -0400 From: Steven Trovato In-reply-to: <201204280515.q3S5FOYn018052@nlpi129.prodigy.net> To: Barney Gaylord , Mgs@autox.team.net Message-id: <0M3E000RYYF4HH20@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120502-1, 05/02/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean References: <4F9B6AE3.4030200@justbrits.com> <201204280515.q3S5FOYn018052@nlpi129.prodigy.net> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Project for Barney ? ! ? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm no accident reconstruction specialist, but I'm guessing that something fell on the car while it was parked. At least that's what I'm going to keep telling myself. I wonder if any of the heavy equipment in the background played a part in the incident. As for parting it out, you really think you could get $2500 out of that? -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 01:15 AM 4/28/2012, Barney Gaylord wrote: >Obviously someone got killed in that one. I'd like to see a video >of that accident, just to see what caused all the body damage. It >looks like a mostly complete car. Pity the frame is bent. Would >make a nice kit car if you chuck the body. If it was closer to home >I might turn it into $2500 in parts. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 17:21:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C492D0790 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 17:21:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.53.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CB5C12D07B8 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 16:42:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.195] by nm10.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2012 22:43:18 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.221] by tm8.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2012 22:43:18 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.99] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2012 22:43:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2012 22:43:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 247874.5008.bm@omp1004.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 40601 invoked from network); 2 May 2012 22:43:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FpKzJKe89dEbT3nhVF66RA+u0FGLUJGVGIxeq0HU+n5HMpVIZeSgMWHTL99AumY6BizjvHmyGlIBQTb0SQcwKDZWVP8x8KNmDx6RiRl10SCCGeqNBhwvb8teZJl+IYK12xW9DYeU/bgk4ZiA8i7Oj31u+K1ezZsb7VZr/dk3srk= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1335998597; bh=CF7QmfVCR4g39fr9u5BhF1VAyFCfmlzIJahSHRwS9YE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bpN+Os8jEK9kxdTYnfyZD/7m94CxTrqoX1e7zIQwdGqSec0Fexny7eNgBfGjHMYofyGhXNbnYiXyh1ZpPFlsZcmj9Q/5K64OQ853n+9qIPrt2BAfiInHEgXWCc12hpNjnwjqVURDfk/7ZmgbInc+BBLJ6n2dSLv2xT83OeRmJq0= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: vi.i6CsVM1kEOvqh5xplGDCVm..W0NhPsY7lOx4Be4Fs8.M wspenBzCX96OyGQy0Rqm6fdBo2Kw.O8GSiDcMpzWo7UHlHW3SH9DfztY5LWj gbbJ_HOsW5nmRFbz0j.o_BMJju2NZFsYBBRds3_qhp3.WQh29rXnqp9UOymg cnkdlm8UERM4JHyRyaXreJ1DsJHufrDkNSkLcSXi9URCWGEnGtIhD2hBK5qX sr0crF3MGSBxNXxG5Otj53465teCTCBnRXBYKY9u.0uknWJBQila0kWAEmmk Uuv59UEu8Pw.WtOWzqlWQ7ClZnpcGdnXAWjSk3m5YlYHxRTVG57Y0MlyPNSP YY6q9ZrNkEFjupiUNxPstHqt5jKKvqPKwGa3C1aCI2xOK3hmNArdydO.iiOK fO5MLmNw6hencjCh3ocOpMYXEIsn8agn39Wrd6HbcyCJva2w- X-Yahoo-SMTP: Afy99gaswBB5VVmmpwsprIB4sFNyfp0tCFtCb.abodgpULQ- Received: from [127.0.0.1] (chillmog@99.9.234.42 with plain) by smtp109.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 May 2012 15:43:17 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <4FA1B884.8000106@sbcglobal.net> Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 17:43:16 -0500 From: Charles Hill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <4F9B6AE3.4030200@justbrits.com> <201204280515.q3S5FOYn018052@nlpi129.prodigy.net> <0M3E000RYYF4HH20@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> In-Reply-To: <0M3E000RYYF4HH20@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Project for Barney ? ! ? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net A little like what Tim Taylor did to Jill's Chevy Nomad on Home Improvement? Charles Hill On 5/2/2012 4:01 PM, Steven Trovato wrote: > I'm no accident reconstruction specialist, but I'm guessing that > something fell on the car while it was parked. At least that's what > I'm going to keep telling myself. I wonder if any of the heavy > equipment in the background played a part in the incident. As for > parting it out, you really think you could get $2500 out of that? > > -Steve Trovato > strovato@optonline.net > > At 01:15 AM 4/28/2012, Barney Gaylord wrote: >> Obviously someone got killed in that one. I'd like to see a video of >> that accident, just to see what caused all the body damage. It looks >> like a mostly complete car. Pity the frame is bent. Would make a >> nice kit car if you chuck the body. If it was closer to home I might >> turn it into $2500 in parts. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 18:15:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2796E2D08FD for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 18:15:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C5302D07C0 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 17:39:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-45.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.45]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q42Ne0ur001572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 16:40:01 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.32.0.111121 Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 16:30:56 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? Thread-Index: Ac0ou59JkGVtU85sDUWhUhFH2zx5iw== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I wish they'd can the louvers between the headlights. I don't know why they think that's part of the MG "face". We all know the radiator grill is supposed to have vertical louvers. Otherwise, not bad. Nice and compact, at any rate, if not unique. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 5/2/12 10:16 AM, Hans Duinhoven at h.duinhoven@planet.nl wrote: > http://www.carnewschina.com/2010/04/19/saic-working-on-new-mg-roadster-engine- > up-front/ > > Looks better than the previous gig. > > Cheers, > > Hans Duinhoven > 71 BGT on the road again _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 19:48:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B6F2D094B for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 19:48:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 609782D0398 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 18:49:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 24351 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2012 00:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 3 May 2012 00:50:10 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=s4j59AYTTFOIHccxHZoBYxyVNJFzK0/ZqilsPG5GEcA=; b=Kc8W02JymQdHq9gX+Ubvrxcck3Z9CyPI9Ds5e9TkrSXIP4XCb21Pdd22JzfNZLnFCviNhGUZCOsetokeVaU37EeFOxGm6WDgLU1OGRVodDHo+YpYvvbmxQWOs3lURjYY; Received: from c-24-15-13-164.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([24.15.13.164] helo=[192.168.0.103]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SPkFG-0007Up-7k for mgs@autox.team.net; Wed, 02 May 2012 18:50:10 -0600 Message-ID: <4FA1D641.3070000@justbrits.com> Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 19:50:09 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120420 Thunderbird/12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: In-Reply-To: X-Identified-User: {2641:box609.bluehost.com:justbrit:justbrits.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net << On 5/2/2012 6:30 PM, Max Heim wrote: I wish they'd can the louvers between the headlights.>> AGREED, Max. Actually [to me at least] they 'look like' tail/rear brake lites ?!? << I don't know why they think that's part of the MG "face". Their "Opinions" are "slanted" ? ! ? ! << We all know the radiator grill is supposed to have vertical louvers.>> But some DO have "mesh". The License Plate (MG) location would be better served IMHO, on a bracket mounted to bottom of 'air dam' with plate mounted upwards ? ! ? << Otherwise, not bad. Nice and compact, at any rate, if not unique.>> Butt seems to have some influence from BMW ? ! ? ! ? Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 20:45:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 105D62D06F6 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 20:45:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm16.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DAC32D0623 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 20:05:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.69] by nm16.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 02:05:55 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.3] by tm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 02:03:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 02:03:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 277925.23489.bm@omp1003.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 32522 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2012 02:03:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336010634; bh=W2cf+y8NH1b668dpz4aLfOYhZIJtUSF8ma7Y7x1zfgI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=smdwqpcQkSELLk1Dd4J1KWX8f/H5dvLFJbQ0sGfFfo+76CWMGZnm1L3zuYd6cRbz2HMEn1rHzambBLgXocU2pICDoL9l0xQx3UhbYCScACkN3Zk+cinJBdYKXjmRSQpDv/I7BFbYPg4snwytgygf2ZoaBylf3Z0iJXxqq/qOlRM= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PQX1gZXnREC0DrkAr0wMqBzibCwqSft2iKyXFguwC2eRoDHq37x+gf3AkVbNoRxkB6/aj2lsrX5qrzjPY5+fjNJCXrvbo3aWjPdlRqeWnFIIQ2qjLt98/gBkkfEd4nwjP28uTS8tmKLbrjnvCMdgX/TRrYNSGXldtL1h3nvJPRQ=; X-YMail-OSG: TdRVkOkVM1kmcsuye0CgJTvgS7Hj6.zRRbH3svwy55eegYY 0KxNv6QJJ769mWlChHO4lbZtQ4cidrsTcp_Wbm8gOeBEUS5nmtUX1GkFgo4O fa3rhQnfHzqX0tylEgLWqNFBRt6Yjc2qiBx4CymcoS6bU8KpMzLu_ljh9Hnn 0_Idb1tvZLI8OFIyaRD6h1FTwov_avhq1KicJjapTN1_4qMUa6T3XxCIL8dw CH720KaX_3L4qIukZX6gxdlZj3uTeSZr71o.WmhWzEOiMhN42_89DVt__UJi nPBND6jEEVDix1gGLa5h7mqxQDnmbPJvNE38DpQOhMfvN.ppkp651_KLnIph bDp0XCcy2X5tVBcRTSxZxzUSWahcA2UCfY5G4IYv68iM7FRPuHQgFcOIsnEO 9fdzSTUd2wv1PkZYzSDfunEOUGhvX6xxoJhuL7tOm2u7x79BzTaW6qKiiPNd nUzAVKjK2pQ-- Received: from [184.157.241.7] by web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 May 2012 19:03:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <4FA1D641.3070000@justbrits.com> Message-ID: <1336010634.5470.YahooMailNeo@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 19:03:54 -0700 (PDT) From: David Breneman To: "mgs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: <4FA1D641.3070000@justbrits.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Breneman List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net From: "" Just Brits " Shop" > On 5/2/2012 6:30 PM, Max Heim wrote: >> >> I don't know why they think that's part of the MG "face". >> > Their "Opinions" are "slanted" ? ! ? ! Man, I hope this comment isn't what it sounds like. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 20:46:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58CC62D0AB4 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 20:46:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from epsilon.look.ca (epsilon.look.ca [216.66.192.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2452C0C44 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 20:22:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lns3-pool-d842af68.dsl.look.ca ([216.66.175.104] helo=Barrie.look.ca) by epsilon.look.ca with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SPlgj-0000pE-IH; Wed, 02 May 2012 22:22:37 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 22:21:39 -0400 To: Max Heim ,MG List From: Barrie Robinson In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Come on Max, that is as much an MG as Veyron is a Bugatti. I feel like building a kit car and sticking a badge from the past on - there are several available. At 07:30 PM 5/2/2012, Max Heim wrote: >I wish they'd can the louvers between the headlights. I don't know why they >think that's part of the MG "face". We all know the radiator grill is >supposed to have vertical louvers. > >Otherwise, not bad. Nice and compact, at any rate, if not unique. > >-- > >Max Heim >'66 MGB GHN3L76149 >If you're near Menlo Park, CA, >it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > > >on 5/2/12 10:16 AM, Hans Duinhoven at h.duinhoven@planet.nl wrote: > > > > http://www.carnewschina.com/2010/04/19/saic-working-on-new-mg-roadster-engine- > > up-front/ > > > > Looks better than the previous gig. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Hans Duinhoven > > 71 BGT on the road again >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca Regards Barrie barrie@look.ca (705) 721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 02:40:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D832D0852 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 02:40:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759292D08E9 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 01:57:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eekb47 with SMTP id b47so126700eek.14 for ; Thu, 03 May 2012 00:57:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=LYWPY1rZWgWOL7Nm9xYvLmVVrq1HK48s/L9Qn/X47Es=; b=M/TT66pOklQDJTOUv+Kbil8naAh+zMIfEiVQK6WVyrsb1A+5TorqL6NeagdSKxKE1s gFdEnZqErIpck0JS6nuYEt9HG53adoxc5U62YNacA+iNqovE4bzpYUJ5Ig1qQpTtxmaW Ki0icF2ndfH3sIbXUBephiZchYDOmz94HhEEf6dMU+Pj4q+uOdBIRQ5MbPwHnS/vBcbo UGPumOEravp5QC8UcYvzKu4qC19Hlw6c6ae6aHHtKOPv10WcEbhnrDrK5DxkAa7pJCYo B5KWXHdTMLs+b1QwSnviQUnmU28xuIZBtrb9R7qsIKIdMxMiW2HBp8PoI+Ssvg+m3BhO iBbQ== Received: by 10.14.206.135 with SMTP id l7mr166581eeo.103.1336031877294; Thu, 03 May 2012 00:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n56sm21414646eeb.4.2012.05.03.00.57.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 03 May 2012 00:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9681894D1E8A46BF854C71BC6B5D7B90@paul> From: "PaulHunt73" To: References: Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 08:55:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn9h5x0fjB2qW+7u3ZOmagn5kkWPjIEK2mhQ5WvPxsnYlObE6LD0cR8S8GpYd3x3Vlo4gKo Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I had trouble working out what was different to the previous MGF/TF until I looked at two side by side, the rear lights are exactly the same. Skin-wise it's just a face-lift, which is odd considering the engineering changes underneath to move the engine from the middle to the front. And I'd put money on it being FWD, like so much else, if that is indeed what has been done. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > http://www.carnewschina.com/2010/04/19/saic-working-on-new-mg-roadster-engine-up-front/ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 08:48:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C42D92D0CBF for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 08:48:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E2F2D09CB for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 06:03:30 -0600 (MDT) X-WS-COS: WSOB804 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=3wfOfVNRKFsA:10 a=OT33tX0yLI8A:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=g-G4WfpeAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=jKKjdy_x9YViONeG1rkA:9 a=oBE19IvZUqb6xbkLpjMA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=/HB9RI8KLjDXut5pArllmg==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.31.27] ([72.172.31.27:60303] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 20/70-06055-DA5C3AF4; Fri, 04 May 2012 08:03:57 -0400 Message-ID: <4FA3C5A1.9020907@ktc.com> Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 07:03:45 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101125 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PaulHunt73 References: <9681894D1E8A46BF854C71BC6B5D7B90@paul> In-Reply-To: <9681894D1E8A46BF854C71BC6B5D7B90@paul> Cc: mgs@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: ccrobins@ktc.com List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Paul, Are there many MG/TFs still running in the UK? CR On 5/3/2012 2:55 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > I had trouble working out what was different to the previous MGF/TF > until I looked at two side by side, the rear lights are exactly the > same. Skin-wise it's just a face-lift, which is odd considering the > engineering changes underneath to move the engine from the middle to > the front. And I'd put money on it being FWD, like so much else, if > that is indeed what has been done. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> http://www.carnewschina.com/2010/04/19/saic-working-on-new-mg-roadster-engine-up-front/ >> > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 08:59:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BAFA2D0D50 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 08:59:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9322C2D0B50 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 06:54:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaal1 with SMTP id l1so1040766eaa.14 for ; Fri, 04 May 2012 05:54:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:cc:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=qI1z/kzH3hFFlAAwXuPdyZPA7X4qgnTXitbhLMGe1yU=; b=WrtZprana/KHp0wv2WlKim/aOu3LI40f3nOm3Yk2HjmSzLIHtOhw5kveq86zBP0IUC zAi0uB19nKN+vU1MBV+y4CNj/6I/8bpYpRPeJIda83F1d6dJHXhvcaYqgZDHsCHjlSw9 lKOC7EG/TnxAgrM4gTfbecGdJk7p0IpuRnG52r8yO4p0YLiqN15mq8oVtgkJzU5865Wz CdQYHpdYb22WaMEOwG8cZIzjf0ikT+BXuCJtSO5J465OzpiYmStrCh/oswlFwJsvSRKc 8elwcAvrHLzsEksYtISJNZ/1PQxn8CI1TIeFRqllWm8gua5oKoXqVW+stD1EhFaQTh9g gjCA== Received: by 10.213.35.12 with SMTP id n12mr1134889ebd.86.1336136089935; Fri, 04 May 2012 05:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d54sm41200334eei.9.2012.05.04.05.54.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 04 May 2012 05:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <57B1C4C462FA423B97CD542E273A715E@paul> From: "PaulHunt73" To: References: <9681894D1E8A46BF854C71BC6B5D7B90@paul> <4FA3C5A1.9020907@ktc.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 13:38:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkET1NJu7TWnIvDWB9NRSX+zdU3JOAn1oTtbUzUhE2oWl6wilElNWWYt9O03obm2rMtAGhY Cc: mgs@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net MGF currently 21,000 taxed with another 8,000 registered as 'off road' from a peak of 38,000. MG TF 22,000 taxed with another 3,000 off road from a peak of 26,000. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Are there many MG/TFs still running in the UK? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 11:28:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7A92D0CA6 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 11:28:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm20-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm20-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C8A82D0CBF for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 09:39:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [72.30.22.78] by nm20.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2012 15:40:27 -0000 Received: from [72.30.22.36] by tm12.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2012 15:40:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1066.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2012 15:40:27 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 463184.90615.bm@omp1066.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 53021 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2012 15:40:27 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336146027; bh=2OvF3aiLsJL00xGiTxwZnUE8mq2qRpGxTaLvJinuGCg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dYszeWa0ZB7WeCT8QDk7Hu1ZckRzKHlnyZY60c9oExxVvVty1W1t7jsNoG9PLszYvmZk80cQ+dYwi1BkvZOZvpx9+DOGgPMLdc5pc2rfw/fcXd3oKQZasxXz+gaLGYkuS37F6EMVF7MEgGIZf1hv2HUiAK2O5YCjpcsBPTu8Ok4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kRi2udIt+Q1G4n0flkS/yBshz7bIV9+zsI5Dquj6LpIlYAagIKM7qvR+VaghaVikkTCoRKcKfJ9rWUURoQpErZdAsOrGz+ulBqpUWLHYSae7k7lhvFzQbK+0EFnNGNz3TI6PNdZDMXLjFDSTrj1xOd1XejjVvOxrQ207uA6N27s=; X-YMail-OSG: Sd84G.UVM1ko.MoGqSBpAAbqEQOk.ijbbDZX48cl2yCJaTV LroZHj9gRmkLqDQASbMfC2m9n0lG4t7fse9h0LtYVsx1YxuURlPNfXVIxTjN WUy4IQ8hmvexEFR.wdqK3Ohbcp25QiflAYQgPAJluDG_CbnTkA5YMvpwHE1m jK9nOyyqo013HXTsMUtXEhE_d_CRlw_3P.DvvBi_22._zeYfsRuA2ZtPTWWn 05XiIHQFICAT7QYyfBF9_tvqoAlXoLq8tCqiQjwegOlMD6Zn0jmXuR_8PaNy xqu3ma1VGaA5_LJRCLrDiri7ph986FrE0RIlj4Ern1duFK86pacp9SbQkSVg 1N4vxm3FPQ9AZ0tqj_3arO_bdBgHgSbqvAUy7Arx2Q7pGduhjztiMQVVUOvu tKmbKtpWQnx1DABEx7kVN3InaT4EddAJwMcnsDRHRolq3_9.qPMeAa0njg5z Mqq9aH6Z18I3U3pTOqXg- Received: from [170.35.224.63] by web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 May 2012 08:40:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <9681894D1E8A46BF854C71BC6B5D7B90@paul> <4FA3C5A1.9020907@ktc.com> <57B1C4C462FA423B97CD542E273A715E@paul> Message-ID: <1336146027.38226.YahooMailNeo@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 08:40:27 -0700 (PDT) From: David Breneman To: PaulHunt73 , "ccrobins@ktc.com" In-Reply-To: <57B1C4C462FA423B97CD542E273A715E@paul> MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "mgs@Autox.Team.Net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Breneman List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net From: PaulHunt73 > MGF currently 21,000 taxed with another 8,000 registered as 'off road' > from a peak of 38,000. > MG TF 22,000 taxed with another 3,000 off road from a peak of 26,000. What does "off road" mean? Up on blocks, in storage, etc.? In my neck of the woods, an off road vehicle is one you take stump jumpin'! :-) _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 12:36:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CEB2D0D4E for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 12:36:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F892D0CA4 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 10:40:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eekb47 with SMTP id b47so742351eek.14 for ; Fri, 04 May 2012 09:40:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:cc:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=RuRRVYoYajU0gppo5Vdwc3hgIyg6D/yyuu2eV9TWQOE=; b=FVPHOMLRMJGZVvtL1DEKAtSd1FX0kGVXcjXCDG7RMzM8Mcv4jZBory4V4q221a9dCe 9vAyDwGqf2/447oL9j7hnxlkDieRDkToh12Vvds5oia/zqSVy53h9tlOoKdOcOCq3E8x xwBDKQOrR1dGdaW2IqmongLxM2+Osr3cl+A9kj4Add61ZZyG8DimRJiea+/ZGZCgk6hs bBC4PlT7grFLtQuoKFJaFq8o99FF5+w+Q9w3RFCFJ8y3w8Rf7/OQjFi6lia0fQHxG62H MGDNEQWcRYZTeHGn+buA3SE6LFwEEOyalCs0dj2E9KES4zILRk223EFYrqLbEFUO8RNz dT3w== Received: by 10.14.127.74 with SMTP id c50mr1319993eei.0.1336149639753; Fri, 04 May 2012 09:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d18sm44099959eeb.7.2012.05.04.09.40.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 04 May 2012 09:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: "PaulHunt73" Cc: References: <9681894D1E8A46BF854C71BC6B5D7B90@paul> <4FA3C5A1.9020907@ktc.com> <57B1C4C462FA423B97CD542E273A715E@paul> <1336146027.38226.YahooMailNeo@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 17:39:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlXGaX998w6TIrkYiF0ci+rgqWxAWBMKEa3k2gX/NfXD3ABv2esx+YWXrVuwt4WBneAEZTn Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Not an off-road vehicle, but a vehicle taken out of use. In the UK we either tax and insure a car for a rolling 12 months, or we have to notify the authorities that it has been taken out of use - a Statutory Off Road Notification. Particularly in the case of a restoration that may take some years you wouldn't want to tax (in the case of cars built after 1972) and insure a vehicle that wasn't going to be used for some time, and if you just stop taxing or insuring a vehicle without declaring SORN you get fined. However some people only tax their summer classic for the six months of summer, declaring SORN for the winter months, to reduce running costs. It's supposed to prevent people getting away without taxing, insuring or MOTing (annual safety check) their vehicle but in practice those sorts of people have vehicles that aren't even on the books anyway for various reasons, and it's generally law-abiding people that get caught out, either through a simple omission or something more sneaky. Imagine you declare SORN and send your car away to be restored. If the restorer trailers the car anywhere at any time, and one of the number plates is still on the car, it can be picked up by an Automatic Number Plate Recognition camera, and the owner gets fined for using a car on the road that he has declared as SORN. Saying it was on a trailer at the time gets you nowhere. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- What does "off road" mean? Up on blocks, in storage, etc.? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 14:00:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ECB32D0E4C for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 14:00:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559552D0B20 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 11:44:08 -0600 (MDT) X-WS-COS: WSOB804 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=3wfOfVNRKFsA:10 a=OT33tX0yLI8A:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=l6y7NIeltuhy_MKx88YA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=GBYjNgTzydkA:10 a=/HB9RI8KLjDXut5pArllmg==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.31.27] ([72.172.31.27:61442] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id AE/B9-15653-08514AF4; Fri, 04 May 2012 13:44:33 -0400 Message-ID: <4FA41575.6060302@ktc.com> Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 12:44:21 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101125 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Breneman References: <9681894D1E8A46BF854C71BC6B5D7B90@paul> <4FA3C5A1.9020907@ktc.com> <57B1C4C462FA423B97CD542E273A715E@paul> <1336146027.38226.YahooMailNeo@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1336146027.38226.YahooMailNeo@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Cc: "mgs@Autox.Team.Net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: ccrobins@ktc.com List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net You beat me to that question! CR On 5/4/2012 10:40 AM, David Breneman wrote: > From: PaulHunt73 > > > >> MGF currently 21,000 taxed with another 8,000 registered as 'off road' >> from a peak of 38,000. >> MG TF 22,000 taxed with another 3,000 off road from a peak of 26,000. >> > > What does "off road" mean? Up on blocks, in storage, etc.? > > In my neck of the woods, an off road vehicle is one you take > stump jumpin'! :-) _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 15:42:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591542D066F for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 15:42:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm17.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 58CF82D0D07 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 14:01:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.62] by nm17.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2012 20:02:03 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.32] by tm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2012 20:01:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1032.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2012 20:01:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 659635.58830.bm@omp1032.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 42258 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2012 20:01:03 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336161663; bh=nGfGLZNGmUyMYHK3wHNoojLDkPnDjgXEhiK+Htj31dM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rEzm10vLfpuJzbNb3qgfPYtmEIh5reD7FsHa4hkJi3g4QxUOjFAFtlfU0IOZopzah8M8gP8J2PUJXNNt+gYtSpDq2c4L4gsXf0IYstiyCNEesSjIpvsiHsj8ISsWJ4YfyFsnp0koBYwkgvYvIOERjC34bf958mmeRiYcC0f/8V8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Jv3NyZ05gbo7+TUCwlsDANggwDfrj4sSvC+yet2nos7lO6tnuaeV8dlNLcC3yxvg3qBfOmEbECsAtyjqNecEjD6SlYPMAgD+Ozz9ptvoNykSiVC2+MK59FaSAdTL3QzISs2pAS2/qxwvfBWivWCNjY2pQ1TbcSkOwaUv2xF6puY=; X-YMail-OSG: r6B4sBMVM1m2eNHGaEKRKcaYcdPBRj3oSa8gE5hc25USA8X ntAeL_URRpfbFibty.L8NtpHgEJpgyyuRmRIPxcNYT6WnOJ1nyZXjkeWLyu6 ET2bNqTFrWnPtqWTSzFNFiyyBxaJ7dhQub7mGk_YVGRrWsVTykq1dNZiuM7t j9KzQAsJ8IbTV2DOFHegXpxBqGTlLG6O92SjZZm0iZvlqQujF3Ad9ZkFCi2u ttFg4u0qvywZU56lW2EsrKfaSeuS2lhdB9o4Sf_Rdp0eewzzc_kpznYTI7K_ ..Ty7blFqyzP0bHKgPtCYUZBQiRndzSKROzBzIumiQkMw3a1lDlKgqnyTq2T 2ktW9ppFSo6kSyXVSsHsSn_YdEKShElasgmQ522V3lh_ACk4U5h7TLiji4iO HaIwfR.M8RO_wVd1TFFTT8DiJZ_IeIASlo__hTknZCAuxic.TPx1iZShg3B5 bVxLaDyxYyTM- Received: from [98.125.73.200] by web112103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 May 2012 13:01:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <9681894D1E8A46BF854C71BC6B5D7B90@paul> <4FA3C5A1.9020907@ktc.com> <57B1C4C462FA423B97CD542E273A715E@paul> <1336146027.38226.YahooMailNeo@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1336161663.31348.YahooMailNeo@web112103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 13:01:03 -0700 (PDT) From: David Breneman To: PaulHunt73 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "mgs@Autox.Team.Net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Breneman List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net > Particularly in the case of a restoration that may take some > years you wouldn't want to tax (in the case of cars built after 1972) and > insure a vehicle that wasn't going to be used for some time, and if you just > stop taxing or insuring a vehicle without declaring SORN you get fined. Interesting. Here (state of Washington, USA) you just don't renew the license tabs. It stays in the state's computers for something like 10 years. When you're ready to put it on the road you go in to the County Auditor's office and get new tabs. If it's not in the computer anymore, you have to present the title or some other physical proof of ownership. Tabs are renewed one year at a time, so there's no way to save anything for taking the car off the road for anything less than a year. > If the restorer trailers the car anywhere at any time, and one of the > number plates is still on the car, it can be picked up by an Automatic Number > Plate Recognition camera, and the owner gets fined for using a car on the road > that he has declared as SORN. Saying it was on a trailer at the time gets you > nowhere. Now THERE'S a scam our money-grubbers haven't thought of yet! If the car isn't traveling under its own power, it doesn't need current plates. But you guys have a lot more spy cameras than we do. I'm sure we're catching up, however. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 17:00:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04AA22D0D0A for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 17:00:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04DD2D0CF2 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 14:24:21 -0600 (MDT) X-WS-COS: WSOB804 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=3wfOfVNRKFsA:10 a=OT33tX0yLI8A:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=pNReqsqJ3xHeCK8-QUEA:9 a=d5yn56JuS_CRw8oRbkUA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=_SyOIDBGqwJFRfv1:21 a=20a4N7-gQ7Dij8dI:21 a=/HB9RI8KLjDXut5pArllmg==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.31.27] ([72.172.31.27:61223] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 35/25-21063-31B34AF4; Fri, 04 May 2012 16:24:51 -0400 Message-ID: <4FA43B08.3010008@ktc.com> Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 15:24:40 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101125 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PaulHunt73 References: <9681894D1E8A46BF854C71BC6B5D7B90@paul> <4FA3C5A1.9020907@ktc.com> <57B1C4C462FA423B97CD542E273A715E@paul> <1336146027.38226.YahooMailNeo@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Cc: mgs@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: ccrobins@ktc.com List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net WOW! That's awful. In my case I just didn't renew the registration (windshield license sticker) when it came due in Oct. 2010. Of course if I'd been caught on the road with an expired sticker it would have been a hefty fine. Likewise the safety sticker. We have to have our cars inspected annually as to lights, brakes, etc. We have to show proof that the car is insured as to liability in order to get these things done. So after I put in the new brake MC and got everything else working, I had to add the car back to my auto insurance policy, re-register the car and then take it to an authorized inspection station to get the safety sticker. Oh, I also had to sign a statement that I hadn't driven the car in the unregistered period and that there were no outstanding tickets on it. I suppose that tickets business has to do with abandoned cars on the streets. I suppose it boils down to much the same thing as in your country. Just different terminology. :-) CR On 5/4/2012 11:39 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > Not an off-road vehicle, but a vehicle taken out of use. In the UK we > either tax and insure a car for a rolling 12 months, or we have to > notify the authorities that it has been taken out of use - a Statutory > Off Road Notification. Particularly in the case of a restoration that > may take some years you wouldn't want to tax (in the case of cars > built after 1972) and insure a vehicle that wasn't going to be used > for some time, and if you just stop taxing or insuring a vehicle > without declaring SORN you get fined. However some people only tax > their summer classic for the six months of summer, declaring SORN for > the winter months, to reduce running costs. It's supposed to prevent > people getting away without taxing, insuring or MOTing (annual safety > check) their vehicle but in practice those sorts of people have > vehicles that aren't even on the books anyway for various reasons, and > it's generally law-abiding people that get caught out, either through > a simple omission or something more sneaky. Imagine you declare SORN > and send your car away to be restored. If the restorer trailers the > car anywhere at any time, and one of the number plates is still on the > car, it can be picked up by an Automatic Number Plate Recognition > camera, and the owner gets fined for using a car on the road that he > has declared as SORN. Saying it was on a trailer at the time gets you > nowhere. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- What does "off road" mean? Up on blocks, > in storage, etc.? > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 18:27:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B3D82D0CFA for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 18:27:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49EBA2D0C8F for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 15:49:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.72]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5xVR1j0041ZXKqc57xptJD; Fri, 04 May 2012 21:49:53 +0000 Received: from lundgren-laptop.familysearch.org ([184.73.197.243]) by omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5xpg1j00X5FaDbs3hxpm1Z; Fri, 04 May 2012 21:49:56 +0000 Message-ID: <4FA44EF3.2000308@byu.net> Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 15:49:39 -0600 From: "Andrew B. Lundgren" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120427 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <9681894D1E8A46BF854C71BC6B5D7B90@paul> <4FA3C5A1.9020907@ktc.com> <57B1C4C462FA423B97CD542E273A715E@paul> <1336146027.38226.YahooMailNeo@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336161663.31348.YahooMailNeo@web112103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1336161663.31348.YahooMailNeo@web112103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I just moved from Colorado. Not only do they want the money for when it wasn't on the road, they will charge you late fees for not paying the fees when they were due, even if you weren't using the vehicle. (This includes the trailers...) On 05/04/2012 02:01 PM, David Breneman wrote: > > Tabs are renewed one year > at a time, > so there's no way to save anything for taking the car off the road > for anything less than a year. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 14:10:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387D62D0C29 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 14:10:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15F42D0BC3 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 13:32:32 -0600 (MDT) X-WS-COS: WSOB804 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=3wfOfVNRKFsA:10 a=OT33tX0yLI8A:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9vXuR5GGAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=x0Q8TBlufb5Sl5uZnSUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=tUvJDi-nyA0A:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=/HB9RI8KLjDXut5pArllmg==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.31.27] ([72.172.31.27:61519] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 76/AD-06055-27085AF4; Sat, 05 May 2012 15:33:06 -0400 Message-ID: <4FA58065.8060607@ktc.com> Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 14:32:53 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101125 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Andrew B. Lundgren" References: <9681894D1E8A46BF854C71BC6B5D7B90@paul> <4FA3C5A1.9020907@ktc.com> <57B1C4C462FA423B97CD542E273A715E@paul> <1336146027.38226.YahooMailNeo@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336161663.31348.YahooMailNeo@web112103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FA44EF3.2000308@byu.net> In-Reply-To: <4FA44EF3.2000308@byu.net> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: ccrobins@ktc.com List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Now that's a real bummer! Where did you move to? Oops, just noticed byu.net. Utah? CR On 5/4/2012 4:49 PM, Andrew B. Lundgren wrote: > I just moved from Colorado. Not only do they want the money for when > it wasn't on the road, they will charge you late fees for not paying > the fees when they were due, even if you weren't using the vehicle. > (This includes the trailers...) > > > > On 05/04/2012 02:01 PM, David Breneman wrote: >> >> Tabs are renewed one year >> at a time, >> so there's no way to save anything for taking the car off the road >> for anything less than a year. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 20:54:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC1D2D0C43 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 20:54:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D068C2D0926 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 20:21:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6SLN1j0060QuhwU51SMdyn; Sun, 06 May 2012 02:21:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([69.180.198.204]) by omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6SMl1j00n4R5SCM3NSMnEj; Sun, 06 May 2012 02:21:47 +0000 Message-ID: <4FA5E02F.3090601@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 21:21:35 -0500 From: Glenn Schnittke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net There's so much more that I want to say about it that I won't. I will say that I think it's hideous. They took the front end of the MGF/TF, added the grille from the original bugeye Sprite and schlemmed them between headlights from a Japanese cartoon. All other things considered, I can't see why anyone would be excited about this car, not knowing anything about its performance statistics or maintenance record. And if something goes horribly wrong, who do you get to sue? The Chinese government? Good luck. Okay, I admit. I went ahead and said it. Glenn On 5/2/2012 1:00 PM, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 19:16:50 +0200 > From: "Hans Duinhoven" > To: > Subject: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > http://www.carnewschina.com/2010/04/19/saic-working-on-new-mg-roadster-engine-up-front/ > > Looks better than the previous gig. > > Cheers, > > Hans Duinhoven > 71 BGT on the road again _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 21:52:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229232D0B40 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 21:52:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F1B2D0AF4 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 21:01:24 -0600 (MDT) X-WS-COS: WSOB804 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=3wfOfVNRKFsA:10 a=OT33tX0yLI8A:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=g-G4WfpeAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=vB_3i3sFC-6L1TNj6TkA:9 a=98Ang06X1gKmxPEsSKQA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=/HB9RI8KLjDXut5pArllmg==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.31.27] ([72.172.31.27:61877] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 87/56-15653-6A9E5AF4; Sat, 05 May 2012 23:01:59 -0400 Message-ID: <4FA5E998.4070906@ktc.com> Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 22:01:44 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101125 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glenn Schnittke References: <4FA5E02F.3090601@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4FA5E02F.3090601@comcast.net> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: ccrobins@ktc.com List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net What got me about the TF was that while it was reportedly a fine car, the doggoned thing looked like a Miata to me. :-( CR On 5/5/2012 9:21 PM, Glenn Schnittke wrote: > There's so much more that I want to say about it that I won't. > > I will say that I think it's hideous. They took the front end of the > MGF/TF, added the grille from the original bugeye Sprite and schlemmed > them between headlights from a Japanese cartoon. > > All other things considered, I can't see why anyone would be excited > about this car, not knowing anything about its performance statistics > or maintenance record. > > And if something goes horribly wrong, who do you get to sue? The > Chinese government? Good luck. > > Okay, I admit. I went ahead and said it. > > Glenn > > > > On 5/2/2012 1:00 PM, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 19:16:50 +0200 >> From: "Hans Duinhoven" >> To: >> Subject: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> http://www.carnewschina.com/2010/04/19/saic-working-on-new-mg-roadster-engine-up-front/ >> >> >> Looks better than the previous gig. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Hans Duinhoven >> 71 BGT on the road again > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 05:22:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 235702D0A88 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 05:22:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 782612D0984 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 04:31:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so3066833wgb.20 for ; Sun, 06 May 2012 03:31:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=Z+pjcsYDydxY6JL2JAggp0q3B0n1zd3K+wYLpv7CNsw=; b=nX7YRyexp+iZwjhNBxCwLgkpO2DFnkvXGuLnLmrjJPi4+OIQ1utYYPmJ7mghDzWOW+ jE5X12dcHRZyGDchxfFUkMu70OoJJmGYEXMc1r6dzWid1zqXqJKsHAQ1C0LVekWOG5O2 rZ7s7k36gfJzlIT3A/Iyr5SE//Kv/Ean3Pn4G4OklbiWUTCtGp60Q3SGh3nBVDovvdYG EFsrV9jxyDFPrHxIVZ2uOQ7jrXuP26xvXYzUmq4DHDRaC+hAX3A2+Z0d8YkviZZoZxmL rLB7lku+b6M+cua7jI1tY5zTAErV2cQsyJDLzZML6cNt06e7TpBL7vUQ95HVBetqddBK txkQ== Received: by 10.180.78.9 with SMTP id x9mr26586102wiw.18.1336300311632; Sun, 06 May 2012 03:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id du4sm20217368wib.10.2012.05.06.03.31.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 May 2012 03:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <54659DF5A5CE4332B954C5F1D589C5F9@paul> From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Glenn Schnittke" , References: <4FA5E02F.3090601@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 11:09:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmGtJ1n9yHOpSo7wvDyzR5y2y0A/BuXxzO62NRx8Yq686YXB5DI+1nlugmPts3/4pDJeUWf Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Well, if you bought it off the Chinese Government, then yes. But otherwise, the importer or dealer that you bought it off, same as any other car made anywhere else. As for the rest, this is so much like when MG/Rover produced the ZR/ZS/ZT, Austin/Rover the MG variants of the Metro/Maestro/Montego, MG the MGB, and so on back through history. One thing that never changes is the refrain "It's not a proper MG ...". Aside from the appearance let's wait and see what it is like before totally condemning it. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > And if something goes horribly wrong, who do you get to sue? The Chinese > government? Good luck. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 09:17:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F602D0A63 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 09:17:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57602D08CD for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 08:21:07 -0600 (MDT) X-WS-COS: WSOB804 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=3wfOfVNRKFsA:10 a=OT33tX0yLI8A:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=cCIGt4SihqmqS4QO-LQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=Q0h4MuN3HXnnbdCogR1hxA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.25.134] ([72.172.25.134:60856] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 02/B8-15653-6F886AF4; Sun, 06 May 2012 10:21:42 -0400 Message-ID: <4FA688F4.7070607@ktc.com> Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 09:21:40 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101125 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PaulHunt73 References: <4FA5E02F.3090601@comcast.net> <54659DF5A5CE4332B954C5F1D589C5F9@paul> In-Reply-To: <54659DF5A5CE4332B954C5F1D589C5F9@paul> Cc: Glenn Schnittke , mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: ccrobins@ktc.com List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I did a little research. Apparently the version of the TF was assembled from CKDs in the UK at Longbridge. At least some British factory workers had some income from the deal. Too bad it didn't sell well. CR On 5/6/2012 5:09 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > Well, if you bought it off the Chinese Government, then yes. But > otherwise, the importer or dealer that you bought it off, same as any > other car made anywhere else. > > As for the rest, this is so much like when MG/Rover produced the > ZR/ZS/ZT, Austin/Rover the MG variants of the Metro/Maestro/Montego, > MG the MGB, and so on back through history. One thing that never > changes is the refrain "It's not a proper MG ...". Aside from the > appearance let's wait and see what it is like before totally > condemning it. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> And if something goes horribly wrong, who do you get to sue? The >> Chinese government? Good luck. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 10:01:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 395DE2D0ABF for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 10:01:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A582D0A88 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 08:57:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so3155724wgb.20 for ; Sun, 06 May 2012 07:57:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:cc:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=jpHJ15rUsjPv6ojrL/+4V1H6VwtBBip2HywpmT8YJ+U=; b=jy3uqpNmGWEsVDnXO6ZPGjeOf1zTIAxnDSWcCPSjO1nlBn6HVG2t/V60j6tQNLmZ81 6B/e1ZRrNidhSAZ6SVwGjKfEwpWXyzweu6PjIl66aJyKVuaVMhuAXaKjVWxGUKmAJbmr KTjdlf/LLIBR9wElk/M9oeTvYkWBsx0wRpXnkQMLEgiHs49fZZh3yWBb9cP6xIwZY1xp 5xoOGswQRe5Bi/PaoHvJSzLBCFNmyb9D+g8+ZsrxNQGT2xbURBmDvXBmyvrQ2BLYx/6D 9edtYIB03b1MKf8bV8hXu+eZDU6y1mJ69mgEPF1jwOOUBY2g7Aj6kkI/kisIIEPXSbEU vTDA== Received: by 10.216.135.206 with SMTP id u56mr7951678wei.29.1336316261988; Sun, 06 May 2012 07:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gd4sm22746924wib.6.2012.05.06.07.57.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 May 2012 07:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: "PaulHunt73" Cc: References: <4FA5E02F.3090601@comcast.net> <54659DF5A5CE4332B954C5F1D589C5F9@paul> <4FA688F4.7070607@ktc.com> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 15:57:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlVDwLANIE6XE4qu9hu6xLPsDx7bWhAHDuLmtShUCC+ASlI5pBXB1cibrxW/0Ma2C/OULSi Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The MG TF was originally produced in 2002 by MG Rover, entirely at Longbridge. After they went bust in 2005 there was a gap until Nanjing started making them again in 2008. It is these that were assembled from CKDs at Longbridge, albeit only 908 out of the total of 26,000. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >I did a little research. Apparently the version of the TF was assembled >from CKDs in the UK at Longbridge. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 18:51:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4039B2D0C2F for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 18:51:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.165]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18A22D0A2B for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 17:48:35 -0600 (MDT) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-TPG-Abuse: host=[1.154.78.29]; ip=1.154.78.29; date=Mon, 7 May 2012 09:49:08 +1000; auth=/X0J75t1ChDYY67dqz+6Qd4jQKMnvLVol4kYJX68JBs= Received: from [10.223.44.236] ([1.154.78.29]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from arundell@ghs.com.au) (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q46Nn0h8006187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 7 May 2012 09:49:08 +1000 References: <4FA5E02F.3090601@comcast.net> <54659DF5A5CE4332B954C5F1D589C5F9@paul> From: Murray Arundell In-Reply-To: <54659DF5A5CE4332B954C5F1D589C5F9@paul> Message-Id: <681E274A-8C00-4664-B1B5-CBCE0248475D@ghs.com.au> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 08:40:04 +1000 To: PaulHunt73 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) Cc: Glenn Schnittke , "" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net ...and suing the US UK or any other government would be any easier? Oh please, can you guys put aside these petty prejudices for a second and simply judge something on its merits? This China bashing is becoming tedious. Spend less time bemoaning their success, and more time thinking about what they are doing right and we are doing wrong... Murray Arundell Sent from my iPhone On 06/05/2012, at 8:09 PM, "PaulHunt73" wrote: > Well, if you bought it off the Chinese Government, then yes. But otherwise, the importer or dealer that you bought it off, same as any other car made anywhere else. > > As for the rest, this is so much like when MG/Rover produced the ZR/ZS/ZT, Austin/Rover the MG variants of the Metro/Maestro/Montego, MG the MGB, and so on back through history. One thing that never changes is the refrain "It's not a proper MG ...". Aside from the appearance let's wait and see what it is like before totally condemning it. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> And if something goes horribly wrong, who do you get to sue? The Chinese government? Good luck. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/arundell@ghs.com.au _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 22:41:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D0462D0C8F for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 22:41:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB93F2D09D5 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 20:46:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6nql1j00127AodY51qnMRk; Mon, 07 May 2012 02:47:21 +0000 Received: from brad-wilson.mindspring.com ([98.240.57.67]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6qnE1j00n1T1dNi3fqnLMV; Mon, 07 May 2012 02:47:20 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 21:47:13 -0500 To: Murray Arundell From: Brad Wilson In-Reply-To: <681E274A-8C00-4664-B1B5-CBCE0248475D@ghs.com.au> References: <4FA5E02F.3090601@comcast.net> <54659DF5A5CE4332B954C5F1D589C5F9@paul> <681E274A-8C00-4664-B1B5-CBCE0248475D@ghs.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net At 05:40 PM 06/05/2012, you wrote: >...and suing the US UK or any other government would be any easier? Oh please, >can you guys put aside these petty prejudices for a second and simply judge >something on its merits? This China bashing is becoming tedious. Spend less >time bemoaning their success, and more time thinking about what they are doing >right and we are doing wrong... > >Murray Arundell Murray et al: As a fellow commonwealth citizen I can see your point about the yanks China bashing, but I really feel that if they make the car front engine, front wheel drive that will be a huge retrograde step and a mistake. As for the styling, if they keep the current drive train configuration, I don't think it is all that bad, so go for it! Regards, Brad _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 00:48:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4953B2D0D7E for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 00:48:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail13.tpgi.com.au (mail13.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581202D0C77 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 23:19:05 -0600 (MDT) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-TPG-Abuse: host=[1.154.108.105]; ip=1.154.108.105; date=Mon, 7 May 2012 15:19:37 +1000; auth=/X0J75t1ChDYY67dqz+6Qd4jQKMnvLVol4kYJX68JBs= Received: from [10.223.44.236] ([1.154.108.105]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail13.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from arundell@ghs.com.au) (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q475JYTg025476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 7 May 2012 15:19:37 +1000 References: <4FA5E02F.3090601@comcast.net> <54659DF5A5CE4332B954C5F1D589C5F9@paul> <681E274A-8C00-4664-B1B5-CBCE0248475D@ghs.com.au> In-Reply-To: <681E274A-8C00-4664-B1B5-CBCE0248475D@ghs.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <4A9F5CEF-D32C-4F38-B780-95FCFB0A32C2@ghs.com.au> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: Murray Arundell Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 15:19:29 +1000 To: Brad Wilson Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Brad, I agree 100% mate... Murray Sent from my iPhone On 07/05/2012, at 12:47 PM, Brad Wilson wrote: > At 05:40 PM 06/05/2012, you wrote: >> ...and suing the US UK or any other government would be any easier? Oh please, >> can you guys put aside these petty prejudices for a second and simply judge >> something on its merits? This China bashing is becoming tedious. Spend less >> time bemoaning their success, and more time thinking about what they are doing >> right and we are doing wrong... >> >> Murray Arundell > > Murray et al: > > As a fellow commonwealth citizen I can see your point about the yanks China bashing, but I really feel that if they make the car front engine, front wheel drive that will be a huge retrograde step and a mistake. As for the styling, if they keep the current drive train configuration, I don't think it is all that bad, so go for it! > > Regards, > > Brad _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 12:31:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1362D08CA for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 12:31:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A792D075F for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 11:09:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-22.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q47HABIY011048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 10:10:14 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.32.0.111121 Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 09:49:28 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? Thread-Index: Ac0scV3Jn5xotnu4eUO4fRZvnZu7Ew== In-Reply-To: <4FA44EF3.2000308@byu.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net California is similar. You need to register it "non-operational" or you'll pay later. Basically the same as the British system. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 5/4/12 2:49 PM, Andrew B. Lundgren at lundgren@byu.net wrote: > I just moved from Colorado. Not only do they want the money for when it > wasn't on the road, they will charge you late fees for not paying the > fees when they were due, even if you weren't using the vehicle. (This > includes the trailers...) > > > > On 05/04/2012 02:01 PM, David Breneman wrote: >> >> Tabs are renewed one year >> at a time, >> so there's no way to save anything for taking the car off the road >> for anything less than a year. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 14:54:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D5A2D0A14 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 14:54:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45472D0975 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 13:22:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 73rL1j0031u4NiLA97P6DZ; Mon, 07 May 2012 19:23:06 +0000 Received: from lundgren-laptop.familysearch.org ([184.73.197.243]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 77Nk1j00A5FaDbs8h7NpL1; Mon, 07 May 2012 19:23:01 +0000 Message-ID: <4FA82102.3040409@byu.net> Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 13:22:42 -0600 From: "Andrew B. Lundgren" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120427 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I considered selling my trailer to my wife to renew the license on my trailer. We moved out of state though, so they didn't get to collect 3 years of plates and fees from us. On 05/07/2012 10:49 AM, Max Heim wrote: > California is similar. You need to register it "non-operational" or you'll > pay later. Basically the same as the British system. > > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > > > on 5/4/12 2:49 PM, Andrew B. Lundgren at lundgren@byu.net wrote: > >> I just moved from Colorado. Not only do they want the money for when it >> wasn't on the road, they will charge you late fees for not paying the >> fees when they were due, even if you weren't using the vehicle. (This >> includes the trailers...) >> >> >> >> On 05/04/2012 02:01 PM, David Breneman wrote: >>> Tabs are renewed one year >>> at a time, >>> so there's no way to save anything for taking the car off the road >>> for anything less than a year. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/lundgren@byu.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 09:02:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628042D08F9 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 09:02:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550822D08F6 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 07:18:39 -0600 (MDT) X-WS-COS: WSOB804 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=3wfOfVNRKFsA:10 a=OT33tX0yLI8A:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=nKO37hF2CB-YQpsRIicA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=OmlP62edt34ICRbG:21 a=rXpewD_KSso6XpSi:21 a=7VCTz8pNMOHc0drBy99OzQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [75.91.231.94] ([75.91.231.94:60113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 90/0B-21063-25D19AF4; Tue, 08 May 2012 09:19:14 -0400 Message-ID: <4FA91D4D.1090201@ktc.com> Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 08:19:09 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101125 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PaulHunt73 References: <4FA5E02F.3090601@comcast.net> <54659DF5A5CE4332B954C5F1D589C5F9@paul> <4FA688F4.7070607@ktc.com> In-Reply-To: Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: ccrobins@ktc.com List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net What I read was the MG F was produced by the Rover group. The TF was assembled from Chinese-built Complete Knock Down Kits (CKD) in the UK. They were not the same cars. CR On 5/6/2012 9:57 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > The MG TF was originally produced in 2002 by MG Rover, entirely at > Longbridge. After they went bust in 2005 there was a gap until > Nanjing started making them again in 2008. It is these that were > assembled from CKDs at Longbridge, albeit only 908 out of the total of > 26,000. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> I did a little research. Apparently the version of the TF was >> assembled from CKDs in the UK at Longbridge. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 09:03:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FCA2D0911 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 09:03:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B292F2D08E4 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 07:21:45 -0600 (MDT) X-WS-COS: WSOB804 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=3wfOfVNRKFsA:10 a=OT33tX0yLI8A:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=M-4_m30YAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=lB6t_nL8CNgFsNCVQ-cA:9 a=9bcY-6fcnzx3mg-82fgA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=GBYjNgTzydkA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=p8g47LfJp4e9XP35:21 a=j8nUoo6FN2Y87_La:21 a=7VCTz8pNMOHc0drBy99OzQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [75.91.231.94] ([75.91.231.94:60115] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 28/E1-06055-D0E19AF4; Tue, 08 May 2012 09:22:21 -0400 Message-ID: <4FA91E08.50909@ktc.com> Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 08:22:16 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101125 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Murray Arundell References: <4FA5E02F.3090601@comcast.net> <54659DF5A5CE4332B954C5F1D589C5F9@paul> <681E274A-8C00-4664-B1B5-CBCE0248475D@ghs.com.au> In-Reply-To: <681E274A-8C00-4664-B1B5-CBCE0248475D@ghs.com.au> Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: ccrobins@ktc.com List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Who is "we" ? :-) CR On 5/6/2012 5:40 PM, Murray Arundell wrote: > ...and suing the US UK or any other government would be any easier? Oh please, > can you guys put aside these petty prejudices for a second and simply judge > something on its merits? This China bashing is becoming tedious. Spend less > time bemoaning their success, and more time thinking about what they are doing > right and we are doing wrong... > > Murray Arundell > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 06/05/2012, at 8:09 PM, "PaulHunt73" wrote: > > >> Well, if you bought it off the Chinese Government, then yes. But otherwise, >> > the importer or dealer that you bought it off, same as any other car made > anywhere else. > >> As for the rest, this is so much like when MG/Rover produced the ZR/ZS/ZT, >> > Austin/Rover the MG variants of the Metro/Maestro/Montego, MG the MGB, and so > on back through history. One thing that never changes is the refrain "It's > not a proper MG ...". Aside from the appearance let's wait and see what it is > like before totally condemning it. > >> PaulH. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> And if something goes horribly wrong, who do you get to sue? The Chinese >>> > government? Good luck. > >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/arundell@ghs.com.au >> > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 10:32:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379742D0999 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 10:32:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847552D088C for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 08:54:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eekb47 with SMTP id b47so1869361eek.14 for ; Tue, 08 May 2012 07:54:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:cc:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=hLN8c+ihgXghBMykUN6BW/I2nFTqi0mrFeSKzS/GgDQ=; b=YDzJYanCFf/PM/OqPYTLY0i5yJ2l18Ujih2GWLW8cAnbVbjOIBJi1vHI51tTE0VLoH aAa2S7ayqUEjsUTWdqqf5LRbV6SLbqkJ+TWQ6x4VXOY6pG2g7EWWKGuM2fhpnklc96Vb yfBPz4CwKTbbbKMaQpX3EQwp3qmUSlyRM9B2w7gcPpmQF4k4tozvhoFRMpx2KxS3mllp 8QxxLfijuPUlUmGbo6XeYc0EanRpSZ0nLJxLKfcZtxCMnVp6UZ9tuXVutRZCWpjteUzl 4LGkonhkvCEpNYMpmWwBbQ4TOSFEMMZXqwaYR8/du9Jff8fnn3Q7NnFd7U96+DOEMdAe dTBg== Received: by 10.14.37.79 with SMTP id x55mr925796eea.109.1336488889205; Tue, 08 May 2012 07:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s54sm74862192eeb.4.2012.05.08.07.54.46 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 08 May 2012 07:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: "PaulHunt73" Cc: References: <4FA5E02F.3090601@comcast.net> <54659DF5A5CE4332B954C5F1D589C5F9@paul> <4FA688F4.7070607@ktc.com> <4FA91D4D.1090201@ktc.com> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 15:54:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkazh9+efDv0sxbWSRR+jPraL6wT+2XdGE7PX9TBcac1pNO87iowmbH0gs25tPPpbIlaRPy Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Well, that isn't correct. The MGF was produced by Rover Group from 1995 while it was owned by BMW. MG Rover was formed after the sale of the marque by BMW to the Phoenix Group in 2000, and they continued to produce the MGF. It became the TF from 2002 until 2005 when MG Rover collapsed. The TF was based on the MGF but had re-engineered suspension and engines, both MGF and TF up to this time were entirely assembled at Longbridge. Nanjing bought the name in 2007 and in 2008 started producing the TF again with very few changes, this was the CKD kit only finally assembled at Longbridge. There was a much bigger difference between the Rover Group/MG Rover MGF and the MG Rover TF than there was between the MG Rover TF and the Nanjing TF. The Chinese TF was almost exactly the same as the MG Rover TF. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > What I read was the MG F was produced by the Rover group. The TF was > assembled from Chinese-built Complete Knock Down Kits (CKD) in the UK. > They were not the same cars. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 17:56:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79EDC2D08B9 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 17:56:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27DE02D088C for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 16:24:44 -0600 (MDT) X-WS-COS: WSOB804 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=3wfOfVNRKFsA:10 a=OT33tX0yLI8A:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=mMZNSn3PaAjH38S2e7QA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=7VCTz8pNMOHc0drBy99OzQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [75.91.231.94] ([75.91.231.94:61794] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id A3/71-15653-05D99AF4; Tue, 08 May 2012 18:25:21 -0400 Message-ID: <4FA99D4A.4060107@ktc.com> Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 17:25:14 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101125 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PaulHunt73 References: <4FA5E02F.3090601@comcast.net> <54659DF5A5CE4332B954C5F1D589C5F9@paul> <4FA688F4.7070607@ktc.com> <4FA91D4D.1090201@ktc.com> In-Reply-To: Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Successor of MGTF? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: ccrobins@ktc.com List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net OK, I'll take your word for it. You're the guy on the spot with an encyclopedic knowledge of MG stuff. CR On 5/8/2012 9:54 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > Well, that isn't correct. > > The MGF was produced by Rover Group from 1995 while it was owned by > BMW. MG Rover was formed after the sale of the marque by BMW to the > Phoenix Group in 2000, and they continued to produce the MGF. It > became the TF from 2002 until 2005 when MG Rover collapsed. The TF > was based on the MGF but had re-engineered suspension and engines, > both MGF and TF up to this time were entirely assembled at > Longbridge. Nanjing bought the name in 2007 and in 2008 started > producing the TF again with very few changes, this was the CKD kit > only finally assembled at Longbridge. There was a much bigger > difference between the Rover Group/MG Rover MGF and the MG Rover TF > than there was between the MG Rover TF and the Nanjing TF. The > Chinese TF was almost exactly the same as the MG Rover TF. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> What I read was the MG F was produced by the Rover group. The TF was >> assembled from Chinese-built Complete Knock Down Kits (CKD) in the >> UK. They were not the same cars. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 9 01:34:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC6A2D091D for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 01:34:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609BF2D087F for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 23:49:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SteveLenovo (pool-108-7-35-15.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [108.7.35.15]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LeehC-1RmwXr0Dle-00pnnM; Wed, 09 May 2012 01:50:14 -0400 From: "Steve Shoyer" To: Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 01:50:30 -0400 Message-ID: <2CA312BA0390476CB037CD0B8A864F73@SteveLenovo> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-Antivirus: avast! 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(VPS 120508-1, 05/08/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:pbTBq2IdqhN85id6vWvuNhh4KfFS9IgOkHWY1xJMziP 4o4JJMu6dJ8e2u9H4+clMh9rGz6fMSAv4plJnnktacbFDxZ81K 3kQ/x+F9ByE8lvICoym/LcJ1EIOeE8FCJjyPQslCrYWu4p7xg6 kZQp+a5GnneQi85mo9mX+RCU4bl/hih19RsLo4wfuVuXuJmmxs j5so4fn2CNEmZ0sy/LUItgkIzPh7Q6UgCOxV55QBYqQrSMlClv IWtyiLlIh8I4WEIeu85q/6pXwpXHvMPdXULHRujYlFn5hE0GZ9 MA+LimYfNJGejYXNYWnPoGk93qmFMK86NljsbuXqqCf802kiX9 KN9Cr7/ab9AJx1brruFBQkBtA9S4SNuU8tUFY2xwX X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Mgs] Can't remove clutch slave components X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm trying to replace my clutch slave cylinder, as well as the hose leading to it, but I can't loosen the fitting on the pipe that connects to the clutch hose. I'm afraid of breaking the pipe if I use too much force on the wrench. I sprayed the area with B'laster, which hasn't made any difference yet. On top of that, the clevis pin that holds the push rod to the clutch lever is rusted in place and won't budge either. I would use a torch to heat them both up, but it doesn't look like the safest idea, mainly because everything in the area is covered by oil or underbody sealer. Does anyone have any tips how to get the old parts loose? Thanks. --Steve Shoyer 1980 MGB _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 9 06:27:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8212D0838 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 06:27:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C210E2D08E6 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 05:00:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaan1 with SMTP id n1so70840eaa.14 for ; Wed, 09 May 2012 04:00:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=m8Q/+Ae0t3Ykepc25iqHWYvcSZWolrWKP5xPxeGtuxk=; b=I1jr8ayhUkKavjLS2zBnIDP/G84C1fandT3JZT3wxlJBN+cr7wXrUz2SKaYJyA14lk 3KSIq7y48iR4GxYoi4GPScmvxTQcx5UfWaqG9YrhFuEDkCuyrzF0IPXm/dmnSmR46Lfe Vi1AwMlg1KPiRlbeMCLbhNFU7BvsMVNdgTbEWgxQW43ksayDL820YLwlsIwhJArhzKVq PqAWLXKoM14vkNXLWLGb31rUN9NfWaP3qbxyi0urp772e3BJb2S7UwFz95erv8pr6KFO SG9KdDQs2/osYyIJWVmWB+0h6YtLVFxl7dSIr0xrOPfH8V0kzpyT8zFWVkOZD2An1Ri6 vhPw== Received: by 10.14.29.12 with SMTP id h12mr1572327eea.28.1336561251571; Wed, 09 May 2012 04:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z47sm10998924een.5.2012.05.09.04.00.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 09 May 2012 04:00:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Steve Shoyer" , References: <2CA312BA0390476CB037CD0B8A864F73@SteveLenovo> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 11:48:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlvfRtnuhSwQG5GkWv3SUjyVJsAp9EJC9XXvW5/6KEdr8PREufR2/v19i9LWZ1u/FTo818J Subject: Re: [Mgs] Can't remove clutch slave components X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net It's a beggar unless you take the engine out! Removing the starter might give you more access. Failing that I'd cut the hose off then grind the fitting off from the bottom of the bracket which should allow you to lift the top part of the fitting away from the bracket and pull it down a bit to give better access to the two parts that are normally above the bracket. Worst case scenario is that you have to replace the pipe from master to bracket as well. If you give up on the hose and just replace the slave you will probably find that with the slave screwed onto the hose the slave brackets no longer line up with the bell-housing as the thread start is almost certainly in a different place. I was lucky, an additional copper washer lined it up again, you don't want to bolt it on with the hose twisted. What was really annoying is that I'd only just put the engine back after a clutch change, only then finding that the slave had started leaking. You may not need to remove the clevis pin, the push-rod coming out of the rubber boot simply sits in an indentation in the outer face of the piston, it's not attached. You should be able to get away with using the old push-rod as long as it is the same length as the new. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > I'm trying to replace my clutch slave cylinder, as well as the hose > leading > to it, but I can't loosen the fitting on the pipe that connects to the > clutch hose. I'm afraid of breaking the pipe if I use too much force on > the > wrench. I sprayed the area with B'laster, which hasn't made any > difference > yet. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 9 06:28:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6892D08A9 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 06:28:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423D02D08FA for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 05:08:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q49B8sCW020865; Wed, 9 May 2012 07:08:54 -0400 Received: from core-dnc002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dnc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.176.5]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id F1F8CE000086; Wed, 9 May 2012 07:08:53 -0400 (EDT) References: <2CA312BA0390476CB037CD0B8A864F73@SteveLenovo> To: steve@shoyer.com, mgs@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: <2CA312BA0390476CB037CD0B8A864F73@SteveLenovo> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: otis15@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36049-BASIC Received: from 76.189.157.130 by webmail-m039.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.222) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 09 May 2012 07:08:53 -0400 Message-Id: <8CEFBEB40CFEBE2-F4-F6BD@webmail-m039.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [76.189.157.130] Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 07:08:53 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336561734; bh=0Z4xKwqjTHhbdmMUEKLya9S3FxzA+315BkZktLAVSL8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=woulRHemjpsQovedrIlEOjb0yvB/QfWsp9kbvpjMVud1t0IXSWSEhLPVtWhCHN2xh aDYQylIz/2xe4vptqYHs9jCeCXr7RmBsvuHrAgZ3CCQfKpPKuSQ1lgnaVr9xJcq5vI M0W5WTWSETW7HnLh3OksCsZqFQuXbWF3W3svrbY8= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:450841024:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c84faa504528d7 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Mgs] Can't remove clutch slave components X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Had the same problem. Used a wire wheel on a 3/8 drill to clean the connection fitting then a few min. with pb blaster and it came right off. ????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Steve -----Original Message----- From: Steve Shoyer <steve@shoyer.com> To: mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 3:35 am Subject: [Mgs] Can't remove clutch slave components I'm trying to replace my clutch slave cylinder, as well as the hose leading to it, but I can't loosen the fitting on the pipe that connects to the clutch hose. I'm afraid of breaking the pipe if I use too much force on the wrench. I sprayed the area with B'laster, which hasn't made any difference yet. On top of that, the clevis pin that holds the push rod to the clutch lever is rusted in place and won't budge either. I would use a torch to heat them both up, but it doesn't look like the safest idea, mainly because everything in the area is covered by oil or underbody sealer. Does anyone have any tips how to get the old parts loose? Thanks. --Steve Shoyer 1980 MGB _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/otis15@aol.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 9 15:01:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881CE2D06E2 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 15:01:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA73B2D0772 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 13:17:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by werc12 with SMTP id c12so670433wer.14 for ; Wed, 09 May 2012 12:18:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4dxzhLNBK6rmAHReJW/1XiKBZeNG0XRmpj0fNz4Yenk=; b=BIdHgpFn3g7HFCJdk+u59tFwqgptC1ZK0/K5/VdLHxM3b/lSn4HMbPuf/zieUyDdpK fHGzOASzZ8/8luQg5MjgT4UXA2ersygQruVpVJFM46jpWA9KyClCXNI0q9MST47N5/AH aeeak2ha+kLO8bRkH+yasrsO1rF0pA4pKjfO51Tl7lyEAdPPTGQrSU6lcyFCraYgpCEP pYx7HSDLT3F5yykfTlr/vP1SSCxWNpb6D4gy7je13mGDElZj8dz56D/vjGZRPosar4/z VZWAdTzojAhuwskn/LgaLUJ4TM+wbDzqISmPHTKD7IjLKJbNSU3Tn3dUdTJ7lD/OBX3B v6VQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.101.103 with SMTP id ff7mr2950527wib.6.1336591110101; Wed, 09 May 2012 12:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.84.131 with HTTP; Wed, 9 May 2012 12:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 15:18:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: Peter Schauss To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Replacing the left front motor mount/ removing the steering rack X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have had my MGB (1980) back together for a couple of weeks now so I thought it would be appropriate to report how it all worked out. - I had to remove the lower radiator hose, but not the radiator itself, in order to remove the steering rack. - I removed the rack by removing the four steering arm bolts and the four bolts which old it to the front subframe. It appears that the nuts on the latter bolts are supposed to be captive, welded to the subframe. In my case two of them were not which made the removal process a bit more complicated since it was difficult to get a wrench on them. One of the - As one of you suggested, the pinch bolt needs to be removed compleletly since it sits in a notch on the steering rack shaft. - With the steering rack out of the way, attaching the left motor mount was easy. - The main problem that I had replacing the steering rack, was getting the notch on the shaft to line up with the pinch bolt hole on the u-joint. Even though I had the shaft marked getting all of the parts to hold still was difficult. Even if the two parts are only off by one spline, the pinch bolt will not go through. An extra set of hands here would have been helpfull. The positive thing here, is that the steering rack shaft and the u-joint can only go together one way. - Once I got the steering rack shaft and the u-joint lined up and the pinch bolt in place, I found that the holes on the rack did not line up with the corresponding holes on the front subframe, They were off by about half the diameter of the bolts. I found that when I pushed hard on the rack, something further up the chain slipped back and then everything lined up. The steering is firm, so I assume that I have not damaged anything. Thanks for all of the advice. Peter Schauss 1980 MGB _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 04:44:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 473DB2D07D7 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 04:44:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536A02D07C7 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 03:29:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eekb47 with SMTP id b47so540784eek.14 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 02:29:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=wLMe6oRezC+jzEQAwp2a5z6f720WmJ2Dr4ynUf5szyU=; b=G8YbouDcoD+sazFesDZ2t8wyK6OH6P94Z2qTuJx7hvWBSMXZPjA5lznLaJSf/d3wRN nQASym8bMRoEaCBuC97xfUEGZ/dCgkgmoJ1/fAwWuUgcR1XtO9or80b580mK42H6oOMg P3N/Ao8T9YHqAYIHzqnKkRB/EWlUG/g7UaKHgFj0E4nu/A99O29iyB5RadnbHScfdeZi 2Eks+tqtFfJF3omFcF1pgiDEzrXp7ZdRcgGzn5Wb6vxp9Rx9Q8FUgvGXsPsmtQpPG/D6 2kvw7fbe3jMMoCgPdRKkyNx2HLul3uq/AKPsbBc8rzyVPSB/dm+dVAR2vL257oxm/BTo xvQA== Received: by 10.213.145.2 with SMTP id b2mr1237681ebv.132.1336642195832; Thu, 10 May 2012 02:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v46sm17446903eef.11.2012.05.10.02.29.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 10 May 2012 02:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2C47B863D4C14C49B2B8A5CB3A39131F@paul> From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Peter Schauss" , References: Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 10:11:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnOKHK9ARKYCGQPA8c8IBmJuaEvSPiOAUB9U8Czoyg3z2y6zZR0LB5Dn+k1NOJe1excbT/n Subject: Re: [Mgs] Replacing the left front motor mount/ removing the steering rack X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds like your column shear pins may have sheared, which allows the lower end to move towards the rack under spring pressure. It's not an issue, just makes things a bit difficult for reassembly as you found. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > - Once I got the steering rack shaft and the u-joint lined up and the > pinch bolt in place, I found that the holes on the rack did not line > up with the corresponding holes on the front subframe, They were off > by about half the diameter of the bolts. I found that when I pushed > hard on the rack, something further up the chain slipped back and then > everything lined up. The steering is firm, so I assume that I have > not damaged anything. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 08:03:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA9A2D07F1 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 08:03:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.168]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D23F2D070E for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 06:01:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 12:02:21 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.235] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 12:02:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1044.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 12:02:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 541684.77502.bm@omp1044.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 21601 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2012 12:02:20 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336651340; bh=pPVYiqM448+wAbMZDrsHy2mgYN3RksiOtMWdNJbwvEc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0bjLxbVES9TJN/ZtwRXjCasMeiORiWlX/N9lF0zzGZzs0OONvbzqk1EgKogbWUx24AG8dEzgnZtsOsnnYsXqkeXGhWbOgw/lXgGNa7m3UZ5fIjU26opyPuPHldn7fJ408AOyitQPDdIs4bWpg/AIIgJBBGWDWsJKQ4D8afDOqPQ= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mTFSXJYhFsI8MPOmNYyKNre8xbSRygb5VLr6PH4SYzydmTZQtk6yhons0YfK4i24gughWEt2l6Bm++Gx3hzvlemiOrzLVQxJdAClsUD96454NCcALAmpKvbvviCoyu3Es3CfyhYyVm+olHCxEUqEDtZZPLJH6aIwhHEVehiUizA=; X-YMail-OSG: kWm1Dl8VM1m5giBYaVQKvw5sABrpokH2neOhdeKQgejYJv4 iR5grV0nBVsEjtXZIsOTwIruaXoTiAFdSs9M6YY0SU6cetH7eB82qi9LxehM j.KrxO95r5mBe2pPRyCOpKdg26elTr_Ph7kuLd0rpfVSbA0BQJ3xx0Wwfm_k ruTeL63G8CUQLZw7M73jewqUfR2kFO4qtdeVf.a2JAQNOB0mlbgYYGz6ipQA ApNJpHh6NZO6Fq.mbdIc.iHb2dc6wp0RoDx0vbgksorCkvly.Qa2CIRE2e9E vLkOMQWyrzGSPVq8Ni89qdthtYSY0WIT56IQehqY3R3kzWeEKMKPQwSCs8_P RLIm0GObPfayMGG9wpazlKCOF1x.Mt2wWCBL4VkGbMzSHq9CKev7nOwfaw.S AnNfQXOg5lhUDo9CH1B3rJkFkWLbbSsB5Fy6pGbRGEfN9paCGTAqjVPL3eSk tB4sQlIc1qehCKUCiQCWlzg-- Received: from [69.248.129.56] by web39401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2012 05:02:20 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: Message-ID: <1336651340.88935.YahooMailNeo@web39401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 05:02:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Peter Schauss , "mgs@autox.team.net" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Mgs] Replacing the left front motor mount/ removing the steering rack X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dan DiBiase List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Glad you were able to work it all out, Peter.... Dan D '65B, '76B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Peter Schauss To: mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 3:18 PM Subject: [Mgs] Replacing the left front motor mount/ removing the steering rack I have had my MGB (1980) back together for a couple of weeks now so I thought it would be appropriate to report how it all worked out. - I had to remove the lower radiator hose, but not the radiator itself, in order to remove the steering rack. - I removed the rack by removing the four steering arm bolts and the four bolts which old it to the front subframe. It appears that the nuts on the latter bolts are supposed to be captive, welded to the subframe. In my case two of them were not which made the removal process a bit more complicated since it was difficult to get a wrench on them. One of the - As one of you suggested, the pinch bolt needs to be removed compleletly since it sits in a notch on the steering rack shaft. - With the steering rack out of the way, attaching the left motor mount was easy. - The main problem that I had replacing the steering rack, was getting the notch on the shaft to line up with the pinch bolt hole on the u-joint. Even though I had the shaft marked getting all of the parts to hold still was difficult. Even if the two parts are only off by one spline, the pinch bolt will not go through. An extra set of hands here would have been helpfull. The positive thing here, is that the steering rack shaft and the u-joint can only go together one way. - Once I got the steering rack shaft and the u-joint lined up and the pinch bolt in place, I found that the holes on the rack did not line up with the corresponding holes on the front subframe, They were off by about half the diameter of the bolts. I found that when I pushed hard on the rack, something further up the chain slipped back and then everything lined up. The steering is firm, so I assume that I have not damaged anything. Thanks for all of the advice. Peter Schauss 1980 MGB _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 10:05:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D882D0700 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 10:05:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB7B2D0768 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 08:40:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SteveLenovo (pool-108-7-35-15.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [108.7.35.15]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MUYX5-1SaQbu0lF5-00ROsq; Thu, 10 May 2012 10:40:54 -0400 From: "Steve Shoyer" To: References: <2CA312BA0390476CB037CD0B8A864F73@SteveLenovo> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 10:41:13 -0400 Message-ID: <6E1E41A2BBC24DE79D5838A070B3B2E6@SteveLenovo> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-Antivirus: avast! 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(VPS 120509-1, 05/09/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:7ZT1BlE9BnXXu5Bbvuc1RItGtxfdrM8nzilaIiwpNob F+QPHGFHoyoNANkKWnu73KglOR1n9tr5SqbaLns21D7Phmzj9W T/X4pPWl8X9gB/+2YaZXxHFqzRMJSVAfABti0RVNFmB0UkFZ/b qdHeMJOOXz/6PziCgBkJkBVEyiaABAcL4PgAmfwinzXqswyLZK r4lYh+HXYICQ01lx2mqMVmvrZQdHhtFDGP6CW3WtGyAJ5A/L3+ GsDD2geGqahR3sxiBx18C2JSpxRh3+NgXj9Bbqtk5fgKqelnda Ys9nRFo8weANHxBpBkEdBiDUaJlEeYRKWbxdhsgQt3to9R+PFO r3OBt0s+1gJQumMbL4iCE8T/VIlq/BI05jBy6areL Subject: Re: [Mgs] Can't remove clutch slave components X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to everyone who responded on the list and offline. I was finally able to get the pipe disconnected from the hose without breaking the pipe, so it looks like I don't need to pull the engine for this job - yet, anyway. The new push rod is longer than the old one, so I still need to remove the clevis pin, but there's more clearance to get to it so I hope it won't be too much of an ordeal. --Steve (1980 MGB) ----- Original Message ----- > I'm trying to replace my clutch slave cylinder, as well as the hose > leading to it, but I can't loosen the fitting on the pipe that > connects to the clutch hose... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 15:45:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA602D074A for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:45:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a36.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcbhh.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC9F02D053D for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 13:40:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a36.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a36.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA2777806E for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 12:41:25 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=stclegal.com; h=message-id:date :from:mime-version:to:subject:content-type; q=dns; s= stclegal.com; b=QyEozx9CaVSkcsC2dZB4bENGQfgVO4ZE9Vj6pbInUTxUlKpc +Ik1DoCcp7sEvMhxhC0VI83Ocv73/ljNhRXxR8PkHLb4SNFvY9s1fA9VyAh40Hx2 mc7CDL32R20UzGxBAxJPoaICT/mTXiFAA2O7VuajdmIRn98f792h5OCYkso= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=stclegal.com; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:subject:content-type; s=stclegal.com; bh=aiZ4t7n8mzBjhIQmnuHl5PrzkkA=; b=yEeZHpxniiyKy/TgaFIgRYPXHsiF QEPefcwpY2i2znJgM3Sb4eFexILHp4IHodOQ7ydUS+Xy/OHmhyqAG5cobrv0YoTk 6ows78CKidcpjcYAjkXTo29HKhT78DqvO3JzL4khfpPP9qLLRLkbvJVaShl2g1LJ f4Wz6pNM96p7DzM= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (66-128-101-178.static.stls.mo.charter.com [66.128.101.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: guinness@stclegal.com) by homiemail-a36.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 38E68778061 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 12:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FAC197F.7010909@stclegal.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 14:39:43 -0500 From: "Robert J. Guinness" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MG List X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Mgs] MGA Inner Tie Rod Adjustment X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a 1960 MGA. I am working on the front suspension. After removing the tie rod ends, I held the inner tie rods horizontal and let go, they fell straight down with no resistance. I thought there should be some resistance to them and that they should basically hold horizontal (but with free motion all around when moved by hand). Is this correct. If not how do I go about adjusting them. Is it a "simple" tightening of the acorn nut like an MGB, or is it more involved. The ball joint connection to the rack certainly looks a little different than an MGB. -- Robert Guinness _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 17:01:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DCBD2D06F3 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 17:01:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96DD42D0685 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 14:40:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews09.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.176]) by cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 10 May 2012 22:41:23 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT104.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.20]) by cpsps-ews09.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Thu, 10 May 2012 22:41:23 +0200 Received: from uw471de61b465c ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT104.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Thu, 10 May 2012 22:41:23 +0200 Message-ID: <40F8E843549149429D4184935EA95560@uw471de61b465c> From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 22:41:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120510-0, 10-05-2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2012 20:41:23.0369 (UTC) FILETIME=[433B2990:01CD2EED] X-RcptDomain: Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Mgs] Dutch car magazine Autoweek celebrates 50 years of MGB X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.autoweek.nl/video/2869/video-classic-mgb-50-jaar Enjoy this nice movie. No subtitles though... Please look at one of the only 7 made original LHD V8 BGT's. Cheers, Hans 71 BGT _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 03:49:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B9D2D075C for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 03:49:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6C72D06FE for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 01:55:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaan1 with SMTP id n1so1091674eaa.14 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 00:55:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=Mrles0M8L0zlykObmwyA4NTm5fMyZAtY5keOAkkDUWw=; b=CWXSZjd83AgbVdtZN8PhHL07HA8cpPYDUgIBHOa2fI4wjwlpkFFwqUx7jQqiv2yZjg Nj5UISMif12E9EGrlo79pb79g2GAJWVPNVgTO7I9YIRKy0VDIjBplzFQC5NHPnhQ41yH NXalh0v3Y47KuOx8m2Zblnq++adS7N24jp97AjYhWzeVHJXitgvetl/3tXa0iJyarhYt 7Ezb9/sUioP33/B0pcR4XkOdFFQttskq41elVdL++KbP/wVFz7hx+nnIgjrLSGUA31Qm aDGj6Y/nkhKc73SmsxupdWZItugXJfSItGsEX7sCIAzKNXXXgdRSFpChcCL02977ONxb mtNA== Received: by 10.14.100.142 with SMTP id z14mr1608313eef.91.1336722941455; Fri, 11 May 2012 00:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f16sm40995803eec.2.2012.05.11.00.55.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 May 2012 00:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3F6540C10BB046ADBA4AB7A92414FFEE@paul> From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Robert J. Guinness" , "MG List" References: <4FAC197F.7010909@stclegal.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 08:43:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnZFNW5LhmW1RcAJ/5VSKuLJoJDoOovf4gnuwEGctPQCsWGbHa+Y3qCO0iiHsQWZbNqES+X Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA Inner Tie Rod Adjustment X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net There should be a resistance for the MGB at least, to ensure no free play - 32 to 52 pound *inches* on the rod to produce articulation. The ball housing is adjusted to produce this, the 'locknut' flange has to be prised out of the indentations on the housing to allow it. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > ... I thought there should > be some resistance to them and that they should basically hold > horizontal (but with free motion all around when moved by hand). Is > this correct. If not how do I go about adjusting them. Is it a > "simple" tightening of the acorn nut like an MGB, or is it more > involved. The ball joint connection to the rack certainly looks a > little different than an MGB. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 13:14:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116D52D0837 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 13:14:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi129.prodigy.net (nlpi129.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B683B2D03E1 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 12:01:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-75-57-169-199.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [75.57.169.199]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi129.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q4BI1cIM004103; Fri, 11 May 2012 13:01:40 -0500 Message-Id: <201205111801.q4BI1cIM004103@nlpi129.prodigy.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 11:56:23 -0500 To: "PaulHunt73" , "Robert J. Guinness" , "MG List" From: Barney Gaylord In-Reply-To: <3F6540C10BB046ADBA4AB7A92414FFEE@paul> References: <4FAC197F.7010909@stclegal.com> <3F6540C10BB046ADBA4AB7A92414FFEE@paul> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA Inner Tie Rod Adjustment X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Not so on the MGA. The MGA has no preload spring. It has shims to adjust minimal clearance. If you manage to adjust it to have a bit of drag initially, it will wear in and become loose in short order anyway. So being loose is normal for MGA. If it is loose enough to wiggle endways you can (maybe) disassemble the acorn nut and remove a thin shim to reduce internal clearance. Beware that this joint is often very difficult to unscrew, and the shims are usually aluminum. This may be why it is so difficult to open, due to galvanic corrosion of dissimilar metals. If you apply heat it will most likely destroy the aluminum shims. See here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/steering/sr201.htm http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/steering/sr202.htm http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/tools/18G312.htm Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com At 08:43 AM 5/11/2012 +0100, PaulHunt73 wrote: >There should be a resistance for the MGB at least, to ensure no free >play - 32 to 52 pound *inches* on the rod to produce >articulation. The ball housing is adjusted to produce this, the >'locknut' flange has to be prised out of the indentations on the >housing to allow it. >.... >----- Original Message ----- >>... I thought there should be some resistance to them and that >>they should basically hold horizontal (but with free motion all >>around when moved by hand). Is this correct. If not how do I go >>about adjusting them. Is it a "simple" tightening of the acorn nut >>like an MGB, or is it more involved. The ball joint connection to >>the rack certainly looks a little different than an MGB. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 15:42:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1988D2D046A for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 15:42:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7C32D07EB for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 13:55:47 -0600 (MDT) X-WS-COS: WSOB804 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=3wfOfVNRKFsA:10 a=iUgT9cmUCbMA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=PHLnFRQLdomph24XnSsA:9 a=-Z8BeL0kBYAd3J6yJ1wA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=4QGGdxUC0TN2at6SP5LvXg==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [75.91.228.162] ([75.91.228.162:60746] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 4F/DF-15653-8EE6DAF4; Fri, 11 May 2012 15:56:24 -0400 Message-ID: <4FAD6EDD.5050301@ktc.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 14:56:13 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101125 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Shoyer References: <2CA312BA0390476CB037CD0B8A864F73@SteveLenovo> <6E1E41A2BBC24DE79D5838A070B3B2E6@SteveLenovo> In-Reply-To: <6E1E41A2BBC24DE79D5838A070B3B2E6@SteveLenovo> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Can't remove clutch slave components X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: ccrobins@ktc.com List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Are you sure you have the right parts? CR On 5/10/2012 9:41 AM, Steve Shoyer wrote: > The new push rod is longer than the old one, so I still need to remove the > clevis pin, > > --Steve (1980 MGB) > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> I'm trying to replace my clutch slave cylinder, as well as the hose >> leading to it, but I can't loosen the fitting on the pipe that >> connects to the clutch hose... >> > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 16:54:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845CE2D0863 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 16:54:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65EB2D0838 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 14:52:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8kq91j00117UAYkABkt231; Fri, 11 May 2012 20:53:02 +0000 Received: from lundgren-laptop.familysearch.org ([184.73.197.243]) by omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8ksg1j00R5FaDbs8Zkslh2; Fri, 11 May 2012 20:52:56 +0000 Message-ID: <4FAD7C16.5000106@byu.net> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 14:52:38 -0600 From: "Andrew B. Lundgren" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120427 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] How to "align" the steering wheel? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a '70 B. As long as I have had the car, you have to hold the wheel at about 5 degrees to the right to go straight. I had the front end aligned a while back, and I don't think it is out. My turn signal auto cancel is also impacted by the wheel not pointing straight when the car is going straight. How do you align the steering wheel so that when you hold it straight, the car goes straight? Thanks! -- Andrew _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 18:59:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B491D2D090C for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 18:59:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96AD2D0651 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 17:36:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-81.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.81]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q4BNaf3Z025461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 16:36:44 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.32.0.111121 Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 16:36:37 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Mgs] How to "align" the steering wheel? Thread-Index: Ac0vzuhB3tok1Es2oU2gP+sKHAK+aQ== In-Reply-To: <4FAD7C16.5000106@byu.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] How to "align" the steering wheel? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net If it was just the steering wheel, I would remove the horn button, remove the big nut, pull the wheel and reset it on the splines. But this won't change the turn signal behavior -- the autocancel boss is on the steering column shaft somewhere. This fact should tell you that the shaft is not centered. Which might well mean that the alignment shop has one tie rod set longer than the other (it's hard to make them give a hoot when it is tracking straight regardless -- the real trick is to get it tracking straight WITH THE WHEEL CENTERED, but they often don't want to believe this). Can you compare your turning radius, righthand versus lefthand? -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires PS: My signals have never autocancelled, so I recenter the wheel all the time... on 5/11/12 1:52 PM, Andrew B. Lundgren at lundgren@byu.net wrote: > I have a '70 B. > > As long as I have had the car, you have to hold the wheel at about 5 > degrees to the right to go straight. I had the front end aligned a > while back, and I don't think it is out. > > My turn signal auto cancel is also impacted by the wheel not pointing > straight when the car is going straight. > > How do you align the steering wheel so that when you hold it straight, > the car goes straight? > > Thanks! > > -- > Andrew _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 23:48:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2474E2D0914 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 23:48:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com (mail-qa0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ACCF2D0884 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 21:59:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qabg27 with SMTP id g27so2209500qab.14 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 21:00:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=iG/XJu3N+n6sJr1JMu7iVbt7sy1Whs6qigrBDBrqP70=; b=FmoYoKBQ/+HNR6AoEZKhPA2syvETOot8N38E2+cDnF9xomb0r8bEXHkiyZwoNmw6h/ ABahNSnvZyCADisDxNHPSy6hMGxMX+9Yn9Pm7DPTbDOKnVnQ3Ijw4zpGmkGqupxTgiEq /ev4PhQRXFAak03jIZSk+gvZFfscYxDt459SWFo3fbD0KgR9MJpLgOEt+BXGcmjAJ579 GxI5/jOYueXlSaGhHP+Rzw75FIcacd7UDkUDS5tf+/uBL4PAXiUxmziQ1AJzPGiEZ5dq cBzgGexotKKWIYR0cbc1voG5YEmnP88gPAYbYgYmJZ+tmTUoYfqo3Bv1Y3zL1QkBPDRC vhNg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.202.66 with SMTP id fd2mr825151qab.9.1336795223742; Fri, 11 May 2012 21:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.158.199 with HTTP; Fri, 11 May 2012 21:00:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4FAD7C16.5000106@byu.net> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 21:00:23 -0700 Message-ID: From: Richard Ewald To: MG List X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: How to "align" the steering wheel? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net It's late, I hit reply and just sent this to Max not the list. DOH! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Richard Ewald Date: Fri, May 11, 2012 at 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] How to "align" the steering wheel? To: Max Heim On a B the only adjustment is front toe. The problem is if the alignment shop just mounts the front heads, and does a set the toe and go alignment there is an excellent chance the steering wheel won't be straight and the car will not track straight (it might drive straight, but the rear tires won't roll over the exact same piece of ground as the fronts, they will be offset just a bit. The reason for this is the rear axle is a bit off. Over the years the axle has shifted so one side is further forward than the other side. This gives a toe in condition on one side and a toe out condition on the other side. In essence you B now has rear wheel steer. What needs to be done is have the alignment shop mount the rear heads and measure the thrust line and adjust from there.If the thrust line is just a bit off, they can adjust the front to compensate, if it is way off, you might have to mess with the axle to spring mounts, or look at the spring mounts. I have loosened up axle to spring mounts on both sides, massaged both side with a hammer and re-tightened to bring a thrust line under control. All of the above presumes that the camber or one of the other angles is not off on your car. If you are in Southern California, I would be more than happy to toss it up on my alignment rack at work. Rick On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Max Heim wrote: > If it was just the steering wheel, I would remove the horn button, remove > the big nut, pull the wheel and reset it on the splines. But this won't > change the turn signal behavior -- the autocancel boss is on the steering > column shaft somewhere. This fact should tell you that the shaft is not > centered. Which might well mean that the alignment shop has one tie rod set > longer than the other (it's hard to make them give a hoot when it is > tracking straight regardless -- the real trick is to get it tracking > straight WITH THE WHEEL CENTERED, but they often don't want to believe > this). Can you compare your turning radius, righthand versus lefthand? > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > PS: My signals have never autocancelled, so I recenter the wheel all the > time... > > > on 5/11/12 1:52 PM, Andrew B. Lundgren at lundgren@byu.net wrote: > > > I have a '70 B. > > > > As long as I have had the car, you have to hold the wheel at about 5 > > degrees to the right to go straight. I had the front end aligned a > > while back, and I don't think it is out. > > > > My turn signal auto cancel is also impacted by the wheel not pointing > > straight when the car is going straight. > > > > How do you align the steering wheel so that when you hold it straight, > > the car goes straight? > > > > Thanks! > > > > -- > > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richard.ewald@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 00:34:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200A32D08E1 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 00:34:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp450.redcondor.net (smtp450.redcondor.net [208.80.204.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF4D2D0969 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 23:48:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgp.netins.net ([167.142.228.73]) by smtp450.redcondor.net ({4ad064a1-3618-4418-b4ee-963987bff397}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20120512054851977; Sat, 12 May 2012 05:48:51 +0000 X-RC-FROM: Received: from [208.126.78.151] (account riverside@southslope.net HELO rileyPC) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.13) with ESMTPA id 338425103; Sat, 12 May 2012 00:48:47 -0500 Message-ID: <94137D434BD24D35A5040B336545157D@rileyPC> From: To: "Max Heim" , "MG List" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 00:48:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3508.1109 Subject: Re: [Mgs] How to "align" the steering wheel? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net If you do remove the steering wheel to recenter it, the autocancel boss is visible. It is simply a clip on the shaft and can be turned with a screwdriver to adjust the turn signal cancellation. Don,t retighten the steering wheel nut until you are satisfied with the turn signals as you may have to adjust more than once. Ron Sanborn -----Original Message----- From: Max Heim Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 6:36 PM To: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] How to "align" the steering wheel? If it was just the steering wheel, I would remove the horn button, remove the big nut, pull the wheel and reset it on the splines. But this won't change the turn signal behavior -- the autocancel boss is on the steering column shaft somewhere. This fact should tell you that the shaft is not centered. Which might well mean that the alignment shop has one tie rod set longer than the other (it's hard to make them give a hoot when it is tracking straight regardless -- the real trick is to get it tracking straight WITH THE WHEEL CENTERED, but they often don't want to believe this). Can you compare your turning radius, righthand versus lefthand? -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires PS: My signals have never autocancelled, so I recenter the wheel all the time... on 5/11/12 1:52 PM, Andrew B. Lundgren at lundgren@byu.net wrote: > I have a '70 B. > > As long as I have had the car, you have to hold the wheel at about 5 > degrees to the right to go straight. I had the front end aligned a > while back, and I don't think it is out. > > My turn signal auto cancel is also impacted by the wheel not pointing > straight when the car is going straight. > > How do you align the steering wheel so that when you hold it straight, > the car goes straight? > > Thanks! > > -- > Andrew _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/riverside@southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2171 / Virus Database: 2425/4992 - Release Date: 05/11/12 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 03:31:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D627E2D093D for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 03:31:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99872D081F for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 02:29:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wibhj6 with SMTP id hj6so775930wib.2 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 01:30:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=01lmkeU84wyrgjMCG5aEC1CG50rZtNczp49+tK9hufc=; b=B4ywNR51SSlKBlM5HFiDlwi78vto5iPnvdZhcHifQeJwnXv3jlwciAeDicge7o5b/f e5ifBD6opT4J+XXI7hqLrVxEGG8IKZQQ1peFLr5COduAdoF+ARaYW6sLn9TEKIehYnVq b2acfFV5srGWAaPD5WyEWpxNkjusQYSqpO9GShoDmnRkclP2/08EkufqRuxs7cXU17eJ c+8SES2kkYaIUf5SWv2muAdik+UMn6LTG4daMNzlnfljkiu+o6zPQD7PkYM+M4EfBsJN vNr7BelxxWwYwyhqbI2X08f8F2/SVoJNzdpPprDgrNalUqsNYqz6Ru4T8FxFHz9yP4t+ 2Kcg== Received: by 10.216.136.72 with SMTP id v50mr691134wei.73.1336811404903; Sat, 12 May 2012 01:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z3sm17494838wix.0.2012.05.12.01.30.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 12 May 2012 01:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Andrew B. Lundgren" , References: <4FAD7C16.5000106@byu.net> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 09:23:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnMOOXcXfpLg4UL4CiuC/UNVMewNT5igO9TLiQiKViV/p+PQdBpgdsh4rxNJm711h5NsvAj Subject: Re: [Mgs] How to "align" the steering wheel? X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net It depends what you mean by 'have to hold the wheel'. If you mean the car drifts to the left unless you manually turn the wheel to the right to compensate that is a difference in suspension alignment between the two sides. It's not toe as many think, with everything else equal that just causes both wheels to turn in or out by the same amount and the car still goes straight. It's primarily the castor angle that gives the self-centering action of car steering, and if one side has more caster than the other that wheel will tend to go straighter, pulling the other one across, so you drift to the side that has the straight wheel. Other suspension and rear axle alignment factors can also cause pulling to one side or the other. But if you mean the car travels in a straight line on a flat and level road, but the steering wheel is off to the right, that is just the position of the wheel on the column splines, or the track-rods have been set up incorrectly, or both. The track rods should be set such that the wheels turn the same amount from straight ahead each side. The easiest way to check that is to mark the top centre of the wheel with tape when the car is going straight, then turn the wheel from lock to lock (easier with the front jacked up). Your mark should be at the same angle to the vertical each side on full lock, if it is more one side than the other then the track rods are out, so adjust both track rods by the same amount but in *opposite* directions (to keep the toe) to get the wheel angles the same. If the wheel turns more to the right, then you need to screw the right-hand track rod into the track-rod end (to pull that wheel in) and the left-hand out to get it balanced. Once you have that right now see where your wheel is pointing when you are going straight ahead, and adjust on the column splines accordingly. That is only a step-change of course, so may be off slightly one way on one spline and the other way on the next, so tweak the track rods again to get it spot-on. Then it would probably be best to get a tracking alignment done, making sure that they adjust both track rods by the same amount (but this time in the *same* directions) to keep the rack and wheel alignment. Indicator cancelling is simply a matter of sliding the clip around the column until it is between the two switch fingers, pointing at the switch, with the wheel in the straight-ahead position. That is for the later collapsible and full energy absorbing columns at least. The earlier solid columns have a screwed peg in a fixed position so the column shaft has to be turned in the UJ (or the UJ on the rack shaft according to which has the bolt groove going all the way round the shaft) until the peg is at the right angle. The 77 and later wheels and switches are self-adjusting as the cancelling arrangement is on the wheel itself. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > As long as I have had the car, you have to hold the wheel at about 5 > degrees to the right to go straight. I had the front end aligned a while > back, and I don't think it is out. > > My turn signal auto cancel is also impacted by the wheel not pointing > straight when the car is going straight. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 14:25:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56AF2C0D1E for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 14:25:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 507E32D09A9 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 13:05:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 19:05:50 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.232] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 19:05:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1041.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 19:05:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 775347.66181.bm@omp1041.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 55205 invoked by uid 60001); 12 May 2012 19:05:50 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336849550; bh=tBmh+vKQK8Gj7cQzqyux1HZJyGZK1SkYI7PufpUJ0Yo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5aBaLxp26SjsAFBrcAjkiHrj5LXiSPomsQo3FFj90rGjoxBjKgb+JCw7N1W7c3lAStCCcKCPcB9ivtxqJs1OR/WQhJ4dao6BZT3FFmFjlf2KjcaysUlh7C5tyc36zeXAWjo3u2qjprvXcW1HYqbw6VmyvfGllSLvUU5xEIKGF80= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UaeqMQtPzYKftuuHtm348OXM0CpVYAV/0jASacCKvrry4HAGYK0ZAqVPkd3OI+kNE4tQcG3nfFOXN+vu308gy/7gJw2wtCFY3ZO0hLci9nAYGtERk7ITOFQVCOQy3XD9mMOKs9747DHzZy+CmiDAanIjKMzh29GiZSIRO+jN3wI=; X-YMail-OSG: RJcRxsgVM1kBfSYNdjQFg8.5BFIESIKFajbZM2PKc8BJzU_ 6lnKnU1s3BnzfqfRrGfX7bzC0fJVSXBeRc3fm0ct6HvJcpbo9KmBAx11uO1d GJkrClJWWfNCk8fXL5Sw8q7Cc2Zs5DCLkaxV3zkhymoq8a9vdvOKBWtOF.DI eRPofHP7M1SjHhTXIlMFHUGrPi3n_DFMupmSLeDPwViGHYm3XR9ewfpYAfX3 kLHD333DaAhOyIbrKay5lyw113GnY_cBIwo6PalQ52SY9gG1EVeBI9wvimGD Z9a.DPtywfjGYJdLqBc_8MyisJANM0n9NTuVaLrsicSUVXBUAlHIoDlvJE8R gnQapF5NeIpV.AsAy6uzInpApug.Fgl0YzTvtQWk2vwrIggrymvs.emF7LgD vq0DNaANTuvWd.RMFUDW.7n5N_4m3o31YYNP7WXY0iy0g6wxGd1mYUmRCfAq 0M4XqPyz0xt4oX1H26VP0.qOaWYM- Received: from [99.98.167.183] by web140504.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 May 2012 12:05:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1336849550.49435.YahooMailNeo@web140504.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:05:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Anderson To: "mgs@autox.team.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Mgs] Woodland British Show and Swapmeet May 20th X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Rick Anderson List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have 4 MG 1100 hubcaps - need some help but they can be restored, 2 good Hydro bags - $50 each, misc chrome trim, a VERY good condition pedal box, a complete ADO16 wiring harness - uncut, manifolds, distributors, pop-out windows, NOS tail light lenses, overriders, and about 10 boxes of mixed stuff. I have 2 MGB transmissions, a '75 radiator, MGB seats (need upholstery), am intake and exhaust manifold, cat, carb, etc from a '75. I also have the charcoal cannister, trans cross member, motor mounts, etc. I like in Napa if anybody wants to see this stuff ahead of time. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 10:22:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB862D05EB for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 10:22:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3EE2D0A6E for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 09:45:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wefh52 with SMTP id h52so2046018wef.14 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 08:45:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=relBdSrgH5WWQxunkdrtx9JfkrqL4ayCk5LGhSUVM7s=; b=lQYo1f3yzSGgUXaf3tklGJ3ux0aLOQrGSldFAv3l/KPlLcpoeoSAI5m2KainrTmrc/ sNDpw6Y7P+n5mafDNBFVJxixjQw5ObI/bx5vyRpod1ECqKuFpej87zBEi3OsiLo3xm8g G+XVD5C74oS22JlTMcosf16kscZPWxy88dVVuzqdMu7zlvdBw3BrCTwsMfR5jmuYm7cX UDMfd9btq7gezLNqkviwycQhlQ83lPIx2IiAF6zMebpOPDBn8cvbgZa8N6NZRoxVKh1C Uqk8RUAqZYfmOO/F9PH5UotiBoz1Et51TCViIojQ4u8TVUmlHwO+w8ASzhWeOtL+FFGr pK4g== Received: by 10.216.135.196 with SMTP id u46mr3111793wei.114.1336923946754; Sun, 13 May 2012 08:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z3sm29131093wix.0.2012.05.13.08.45.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 13 May 2012 08:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3523E74574F34CD791E5A6423FA091E8@paul> From: "PaulHunt73" To: , Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 16:44:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkY5fZ5fm3DKSeBQGbPk3GL9CoWm0H0036K2WgSFR1iUrqODjZAufa0NHbh9vqcUdraNJEU X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Mgs] Roadster screen X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Has anyone had the thick spacers and shims out of the sockets where the screen legs go? A pal is rebuilding what he bought as an abandoned restoration, couldn't find these parts and has ordered and received them from one of the usual suspects (MGOC). As far as I was aware the spacers and shims were held in the body with a small screw between the two main screen leg bolt holes. However whilst the shims (looks like fibre board) have a central hole the thick spacers don't. Also the thick spacers have the AHH number heavily embossed on one face, which will either go against the screen leg or the shim and body. As the bolts will pull the screen leg against the thick spacer, and the shims, to the body panel it seems to me that the embossing could get crushed over time, it is only alloy, loosening the screen. The letters are also on a plinth raising them even higher, so tightening the bolts is going to tend to bend the spacer and/or the screen leg, depending on which way the embossing faces. So, *should* the small screw screw into the thick spacer? And are originals embossed like that? Thanks, PaulH. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 14:41:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC002D0B07 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 14:41:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi157.prodigy.net (nlpi157.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D009C2D0B4B for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 13:19:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-99-141-136-74.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [99.141.136.74]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi157.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q4DJJpmd026866; Sun, 13 May 2012 14:19:52 -0500 Message-Id: <201205131919.q4DJJpmd026866@nlpi157.prodigy.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 14:19:49 -0500 To: "PaulHunt73" , From: Barney Gaylord In-Reply-To: <3523E74574F34CD791E5A6423FA091E8@paul> References: <3523E74574F34CD791E5A6423FA091E8@paul> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Roadster screen X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net It might help if we knew what model car. The MGA has no spacers, only fiber shims as required (not always). At 04:44 PM 5/13/2012 +0100, PaulHunt73 wrote: >Has anyone had the thick spacers and shims out of the sockets where >the screen legs go? A pal is rebuilding what he bought as an >abandoned restoration, couldn't find these parts and has ordered and >received them from one of the usual suspects (MGOC). As far as I >was aware the spacers and shims were held in the body with a small >screw between the two main screen leg bolt holes. However whilst the >shims (looks like fibre board) have a central hole the thick spacers >don't. Also the thick spacers have the AHH number heavily embossed >on one face, which will either go against the screen leg or the shim >and body. As the bolts will pull the screen leg against the thick >spacer, and the shims, to the body panel it seems to me that the >embossing could get crushed over time, it is only alloy, loosening >the screen. The letters are also on a plinth raising them even >higher, so tightening the bolts is going to tend to bend the spacer >and/or the screen leg, depending on which way the embossing faces. > >So, *should* the small screw screw into the thick spacer? And are >originals embossed like that? >.... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 23:55:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969812D0BD6 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 23:55:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D54702D0AC4 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 22:52:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by bradakis.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1FF6C2E0A5; Sun, 13 May 2012 23:01:08 -0600 (MDT) From: Mark J Bradakis To: mgs@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120514050108.1FF6C2E0A5@bradakis.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 23:01:08 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Mgs] Team.Net notes X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net n case you are wondering: http://www.team.net/status.html mjb. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 02:55:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3690E2D0B92 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 02:55:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDDA02D09DF for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 02:08:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eekb47 with SMTP id b47so1931622eek.14 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 01:08:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=0YwSftOXqJjim8YmRX4/vwP6gNlV8IsNDlvSc24vodk=; b=G8UUW7h8gVs7lvyijurqGNeGxZBiY485jlafn9Xk0OY+KYBA4k4z9AO9YJzSDNZs9M Ugr9j7VXb9VCMyqHQnwWv62ts+tCcoIUZERyz560k8dWrzMQMSmEbt2SzCo3Nn57oJp6 4Wv5wC3yCxDPXYZA+xKv9dmrzaETPy63S/LgAdoMox3OFNvIef1JkzZx9RzzfKawGSxV Ogzi6YEOOM9Hjijf+50R/zKKaLtPev1t6lI4vGPiR6rahzNIK5+cwldat43f+pZsmpem +EnE3LpkIsMKVT7xHX9XsT1p6bbQEbN45/M+nRQ++OlHPy4CBozH5fyP2H8p3t4+/rCH e2xQ== Received: by 10.213.121.130 with SMTP id h2mr1206867ebr.122.1336982938637; Mon, 14 May 2012 01:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q53sm9862157eef.8.2012.05.14.01.08.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 14 May 2012 01:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: "PaulHunt73" To: References: <3523E74574F34CD791E5A6423FA091E8@paul> <201205131919.q4DJJpmd026866@nlpi157.prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 08:42:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkeEjaR3KsZf/OBfrovuuBZqcgeJTqTcV7VxHtKm05jUZtJisrsj90O4EN8ubY7xxNQqnV4 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Roadster screen X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net True - MGB. It's the spacers and packing that have to be right or you can crack the glass, which is why I'm bothered about the embossing getting compressed. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > It might help if we knew what model car. The MGA has no spacers, only > fiber shims as required (not always). > > > At 04:44 PM 5/13/2012 +0100, PaulHunt73 wrote: >>Has anyone had the thick spacers and shims out of the sockets where the >>screen legs go? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 16:27:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737692D0617 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 16:27:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B912D04E9 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 16:27:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E372E02F for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 16:36:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FBC139A.1010401@bradakis.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 16:30:50 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] Thanks, mjb X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Gee, I was down at the Bailey's working on an MGB brake master cylinder, wondering how they came apart. What did I do? Why, I went to the Team.Net archives and searched the MG list for help. Found what I needed to know, saved myself some time and trouble. Guess I should send myself a donation for providing such a useful service! Too bad the archives couldn't help with getting the wrong TR6 parts for that car. Oh well. mjb. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 26 10:20:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F88A2D04BD for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 10:20:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.22.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BFA622D02E4 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 10:20:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 31240 invoked by uid 0); 26 May 2012 16:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 26 May 2012 16:21:10 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=CnAOBPzHia1Iv6BKi4tlTGlbbgz3VzRsgS6ygcfRyB4=; b=p4RZgxNB+BSdMPRKEc8Kylrnij8qYIh3I24r9U5rbgoA8c8nGaUwJ8bmPd55z+HCtTi4XjRZjKZvKGtCopgLMwu8nzMF+E4Dz4wDedEK5b80kZXbGCxggGDjP4WK5N5j; Received: from c-24-15-13-164.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([24.15.13.164] helo=[192.168.0.103]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SYJjp-0001u1-Ne; Sat, 26 May 2012 10:21:09 -0600 Message-ID: <4FC102F5.6040100@justbrits.com> Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 11:21:09 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 0c - 9issa <9issa@justbrits.com>, 4 - MG List , 4 - MG Ts References: In-Reply-To: X-Forwarded-Message-Id: X-Identified-User: {2641:box609.bluehost.com:justbrit:justbrits.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Mgs] BBC - 1929 MG buried in concrete.......... X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Holy smokes ! ! ! This a GREAT story & a BEAUTIFUL car ! ! ! Ed -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Motorhead 101 - BBC - 1929 MG buried in concrete.......... Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 08:35:21 -0700 From: Rick Feibusch BBC - 1929 MG buried in concrete.......... submitted by Edward Voelcker http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-18194870 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 08:53:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58552D034B for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:53:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4CE42D0305 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:52:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SteveLenovo (pool-108-7-35-15.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [108.7.35.15]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MWCYL-1SXNi035IX-00XTKf; Tue, 29 May 2012 10:53:27 -0400 From: "Steve Shoyer" To: "'MG List'" Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 10:53:58 -0400 Message-ID: <94A7C2B62CBF4DEABCAEBB25105A8DA5@SteveLenovo> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-Antivirus: avast! 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(VPS 120529-0, 05/29/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:0pVTMxuDI/14WQx6VVlKGUcHnYmSY0RHWt+DlQxdSX4 /d83EvgC1HQ1Vo7xqnJ2QgqBKebHU3kTiNdvII405S/ezD2rwO 9/YGBifLLa1MzPbzLijwYVZZfppoQ8bAee/5ZfYOJu1pzGswlD +c09GZ0S+jWe17QKfFzRd0OJw+onTgI38L9riJMaUXUkWr1+0Y xPM5JpZZgVHapAyeg67MNUfAEGSy9FrObSgKpa8lB7byp4GdcB v32aRfmeos0cEQXRM2Js8NbiyMu401NaQNmYSZJbZouKza6uk0 TUANCcxd/2wYLa/zHLvENtSqtKWinVODbw9sBkEz5nXjQvwDop UBBTpLloFKdaX2AcK7BLKJJYW6M6GPZyVLfAKzisu X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Mgs] Adhesive suggestions for carpet and seats X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm finally replacing the interior on my 1980 MGB. I bought the light tan leather complete kit from Moss, but I wasn't sure which adhesive I should use. I looked through the archives but only found old posts; has anyone used anything recently that they would recommend? Thanks. --Steve (1980 MGB) _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 09:22:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 315022D036B for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:22:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 778262D0300 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:22:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 19381 invoked by uid 0); 29 May 2012 15:23:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 29 May 2012 15:23:41 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=wI9YGTSvPpMVG3saU8UBhgqUd7E3hGlEzTWmnXNVUJ4=; b=e31UU7h002CkPqYy+8/NPAfVMDFvCTc7WFymXRf2yB73cykW+kIcdR9hpa3nCdI0WU8lumAH748Dor496yy7coU6Q1LN+UYgvBNqri/W5aV/NQEV/XtaJL3O46GhyKN3; Received: from c-24-15-13-164.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([24.15.13.164] helo=[192.168.0.103]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SZOGr-0004oz-Eb for mgs@autox.team.net; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:23:41 -0600 Message-ID: <4FC4E9FC.6050003@justbrits.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 10:23:40 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <94A7C2B62CBF4DEABCAEBB25105A8DA5@SteveLenovo> In-Reply-To: <94A7C2B62CBF4DEABCAEBB25105A8DA5@SteveLenovo> X-Identified-User: {2641:box609.bluehost.com:justbrit:justbrits.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Mgs] Adhesive suggestions for carpet and seats X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Steve ! << On 5/29/2012 9:53 AM, Steve Shoyer wrote: .....has anyone used anything recently that they would recommend? >> Stop in an Old Car Upholstery Shop (with a box of donuts) and ask them. They will be more up on things than anyone ! ! ! And do NOT glue the carpets ! ! ! If you botch a couple of the @ 1" round snaps, I have in stock ! ! ! Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 09:24:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1A92D0343 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:24:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A65ED2D0300 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:24:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2012 15:25:23 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.167] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2012 15:25:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1068.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2012 15:25:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 67939.26596.bm@omp1068.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 88495 invoked by uid 60001); 29 May 2012 15:25:22 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338305122; bh=DhT9xJmIPPHO/xer0wFHzP/NYd9M3GTW2vdwO75E/cA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=w5sLTHTep6QVqq8yrO91fJ3eLB/vSL6a+7KQGmlruNj/u6WvshwdPsmcl8n7kPreqrr9c08jPGZofb9Gr6h0rc6xBERSVXGJE9R40IZNHeDceuAOB3NNW04ZhubtCVGQGVUEEWQDPy3t453G79tPFcu95EhhV1BEYSgeB52G0Jc= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GNVe9dK0Le9vvjmFwHiRvFCcpD099EyYnb7cq/yiqQ7398eT/EFhQ54br6jTrvQs9KJ4sDWH5D+5SrpPSGuI1NkfSx/Iz30R/8HRQtRLtAYPqsTjVRUzMQ+jvvhzouwVqtNdQZlGXFga/NaXeYpUuzhlGrQ4xLYxzXvgZjhcvvE=; X-YMail-OSG: ReTOUmQVM1mIJl8Y7QSBpZkKR3ndhFeW9IUyIQDfW6i3qe0 WMBbG1OYALy4WgjI5l6Ow58zFl81ZPoDp39gVGColfOYChkKRhZPBZwEyCke rLzoYJw_56DyLAkCYS8w.1sNsXhwCnz9AIs8HdswY1Mri7lr743XTWlXlayW k40pnGOP1fCezmJUvZMdb5tv90iicoCtsLpulVHweP0EPKtC8db3hB5H0liE oPl6xLKa1AbgPDk70UBor9Nw2N9CLguMdCBBaiy6lOtS.9Cofoz9wKfzwU7I a0xAVMkHKfJDceSM9UNor_JbWRdCqTL4tSjYEzVqiZEBxSBf6Nu5p5FOA29Y 3KojKLHOa2kP899rUkwvqNB1PGinuvhcDx2L5_aCeToVf2qg5r4AiQV8Yl3z pmI6Mxc3OJq_yy52X2GwX_OqXgmoqRCozzQck9r2zI_H54VFQFdpuLxUx1LV Arw-- Received: from [69.248.129.56] by web39406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:25:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1338305122.76954.YahooMailNeo@web39406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:25:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: MGB- Yahoo , MG List MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Mgs] BCW X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dan DiBiase List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I'd be remiss if I didn't wish everyone a 'Happy British Car Week'! Dan D '65 B, '76 B Central NJ USA _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 09:42:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2542D0384 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:42:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113E82D030D for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:42:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaan1 with SMTP id n1so1537324eaa.14 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:43:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=xM+umGV9XzV/Dgv8ujfU6Ae4hRLE9W0tlqCbCGn1zLk=; b=K4k0Rj2JUf/6LAy/UaPeJQr1quUBV3/bjlHKTpgj2gdXAm2vI9RoX0Q3Pqti/T4gV8 loA4UNOzjUBN869vHJtlXa8aJjhGRYQdW1gjptZa3LkBJfuflxpePAqoWEg6KGcYm6cT muWHqijiwIxrxqzDQ/v5138jrDUJ1Gx8fX811iCLO8GLVUr9tp1N9fqbtbb7Y9JswDhE 84IIBO4L9KRGo9DxrlXuPuMELfO/EDzDfMPCbuCL0qCG21HOr6lguNDHAKY/0Pnqmg3k 5kIiJvXdWBehrRM1jxQkzzavGAQxjMQwmyHSfpwMeqmAVhvbNrQfhjqOppM/F4wf5ODw o+8w== Received: by 10.14.189.12 with SMTP id b12mr3862088een.140.1338306192416; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-4.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f16sm50193984eec.2.2012.05.29.08.43.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 May 2012 08:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <951AE1055F954369AC8CCEE285FB4F83@paul> From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Steve Shoyer" , "'MG List'" References: <94A7C2B62CBF4DEABCAEBB25105A8DA5@SteveLenovo> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:24:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkyxtfHAakpQmggXPeK/BehO2uaYdqtFMFCm/RWYOo0zMu3GdCc/rSrsgn2cI3eTGoldElv Subject: Re: [Mgs] Adhesive suggestions for carpet and seats X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I used an aerosol adhesive for both. Can't remember the brand, it was 22 years ago. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > I'm finally replacing the interior on my 1980 MGB. I bought the light tan > leather complete kit from Moss, but I wasn't sure which adhesive I should > use. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 10:00:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9662D037A for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 10:00:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5582D0300 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 10:00:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eekb47 with SMTP id b47so1570702eek.14 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:01:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=xUrcUlRcDEbI7cV7d9S9gQdPjTrC0DQIEuD51rPoyFE=; b=nMxXrVFVwWiH0fFoqHEIKqoGE1YqNR+8Thi+YxfTkLqVyFzZN9pd5DTfdln4DB6CMB ZfAnGVIpcmcqB6YpyjWcZqqbV/YpQ8D6V+imckgNHWtV2xkWzMY86PUX7XBEvmWQyofj aHkN8Vt0/McPWYvLGyAEg2EhdwvVB05/VtjCF20qSMSiuPcEnUS1L8f2LoSVXjhwTpT8 5TJ6LXpO4bcAfNQZmdyv1CrurI3OSfrTYwc0PkEjoca9uZjEl50g4Ws13PCSNtC2G2GL aQzCjqrIbJaSF1T+o/XVYpxNq8hIUASnNMZBMhq1vOw8yGQQdK7pkGHx+fMxVGy7A05x Dsyg== Received: by 10.14.37.76 with SMTP id x52mr4477097eea.102.1338307271527; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-4.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o16sm50311641eeb.13.2012.05.29.09.01.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 May 2012 09:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: "PaulHunt73" To: References: <94A7C2B62CBF4DEABCAEBB25105A8DA5@SteveLenovo> <4FC4E9FC.6050003@justbrits.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:57:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkEk/txmdZDLY+dv5cOW0goajEQBbiVmQ0dURCb8/VMc24gVE+hcumgAixkjiYjnWQN2ggK Subject: Re: [Mgs] Adhesive suggestions for carpet and seats X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Carpet does need gluing on sills, rear arches, and heel board. (Toe boards? Can't remember). It's true floor carpets don't - the rear is retained by the seat runners, the front by three snaps each side. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > And do NOT glue the carpets ! ! ! _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 10:53:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E4C2D035A for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 10:53:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from msubillings.edu (bilexeg02.msubillings.edu [192.156.215.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B902D032E for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 10:50:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BILEXCH01.msubillings.edu (192.156.215.140) by BILEXEG02.msubillings.edu (192.156.215.143) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.355.2; Tue, 29 May 2012 10:51:17 -0600 Received: from BILEXMB01.msubillings.edu ([169.254.1.135]) by BILEXCH01.msubillings.edu ([192.156.215.140]) with mapi id 14.01.0289.001; Tue, 29 May 2012 10:51:25 -0600 From: "Councill, David" To: "Mgs@autox.team.net " Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Adhesive suggestions for carpet and seats Thread-Index: AQHNPbO0CupAAfbZTgSwtgsgzQDp+5bg+aew Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:51:25 +0000 Message-ID: References: <94A7C2B62CBF4DEABCAEBB25105A8DA5@SteveLenovo> <4FC4E9FC.6050003@justbrits.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.112.94.54] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Adhesive suggestions for carpet and seats X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm a little late on this but I can add a bit to what Paul says. When I did my 72B, the previous owner had glued in all the carpet pieces and it was a real pain to remove. So with that lesson, I installed the new carpet with minimal glue. I used a 3M spray adhesive, and I lightly sprayed the sill and rear arch pieces. The heel board attached with screws as I recall. The tunnel piece, floor pieces, and rear had less need to secure, and definitely not requiring glue. David Councill 64 B 67 BGT 72 B -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of PaulHunt73 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:57 AM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Adhesive suggestions for carpet and seats Carpet does need gluing on sills, rear arches, and heel board. (Toe boards? Can't remember). It's true floor carpets don't - the rear is retained by the seat runners, the front by three snaps each side. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > And do NOT glue the carpets ! ! ! _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 11:39:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB39B2D036E for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 11:39:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD992D0163 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 11:36:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-214.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.214]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q4THau62031587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 10:36:59 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.32.0.111121 Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 10:21:40 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Adhesive suggestions for carpet and seats Thread-Index: Ac09v4Jv/NJ5DThQwEizLoLAwNq3cA== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Adhesive suggestions for carpet and seats X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net After customizing the tunnel cover to fit the 4-synchro tranny, I had to redo the tunnel carpet from scratch, so I installed snaps. The tunnel carpet is what gets soaked first if you're ever caught using the tonneau when it rains, so it's handy to have it removable. The floor carpet goes without saying... -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 5/29/12 8:57 AM, PaulHunt73 at paulhunt73@virginmedia.com wrote: > Carpet does need gluing on sills, rear arches, and heel board. (Toe boards? > Can't remember). It's true floor carpets don't - the rear is retained by > the seat runners, the front by three snaps each side. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> And do NOT glue the carpets ! ! ! _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 08:37:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C6B2D048C for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 08:37:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4BE2D03E9 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 08:30:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eekb47 with SMTP id b47so2087927eek.14 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 07:31:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=jZlYbj6lu/eweHDgawTzE7bfyBd1s7esPrqN5oCV9qQ=; b=KAXBUtQajPGEdFmOVjEFa37mVQyxhUbtu6DRvxmsQKQnam0vw1FrpbCZosBWO5h90v 0FsqVjVbFd1IdEGsrJYi2EnXLWDkaC4ujHk02cY665Vd08Scfxwb5Z3Ym+60aLScBpni z1OoigRu7MNn81nYS4AaREWGRyJUtpkRkyYxkxt3QGkLAOzYPIah4bLjB193C/OI64Mu IDnTSVW7eSbSSYDMNQdvNmY//8214xgwr+Czz4JZ+7LwNCt6YZW4+DCh2k9BQ8y9yPgP N+6S4fGwpPJ1Its0cu7IMFdOYycIbCJ8CjIK+IEN1nY0Py1KrRS7YJoL7arvjoXWBc0a SESQ== Received: by 10.14.98.200 with SMTP id v48mr6292107eef.6.1338388265448; Wed, 30 May 2012 07:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-4.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a16sm61314007eeg.0.2012.05.30.07.31.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 30 May 2012 07:31:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9CF7B7D082AB45FA8C7548F2090B67C5@paul> From: "PaulHunt73" To: "MG List" References: Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 08:51:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnsZ1c90RK6y5b7G7WJi+8H9EjIN538YlyUfKcLyAvn/CRsnk2ZTKzrZncLBIxRla3UTx2v Subject: Re: [Mgs] Adhesive suggestions for carpet and seats X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tunnel carpet just drops on and sits there, as far as I'm aware, no glue or snaps. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > After customizing the tunnel cover to fit the 4-synchro tranny, I had to > redo the tunnel carpet from scratch, so I installed snaps. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 09:41:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57EA92D0401 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 09:41:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C8E2D0401 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 09:32:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-134.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.134]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q4UFXeNu029821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 08:33:41 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.32.0.111121 Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 08:32:06 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Adhesive suggestions for carpet and seats Thread-Index: Ac0+eV5wDAa19DTDWkyKetKnULOOSA== In-Reply-To: <9CF7B7D082AB45FA8C7548F2090B67C5@paul> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Adhesive suggestions for carpet and seats X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Not the kind you get from Moss. It's not exactly fitted -- it would be like tossing a burlap bag over the tunnel and expecting it to stay put. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 5/30/12 12:51 AM, PaulHunt73 at paulhunt73@virginmedia.com wrote: > Tunnel carpet just drops on and sits there, as far as I'm aware, no glue or > snaps. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> After customizing the tunnel cover to fit the 4-synchro tranny, I had to >> redo the tunnel carpet from scratch, so I installed snaps. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 09:59:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5062D0489 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 09:59:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B195B2D039F for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 09:59:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaan1 with SMTP id n1so2110006eaa.14 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 09:00:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=gmUMetadE3yh6ngn5xODQmwxjW1pSbyH3uGXWRfUV+8=; b=WUTyrkoBuySibYBRvbZxIwOFbhMpI+vzPcW8SukRVKAHEf690yuclb/GqLW9F3OHIg 3GaWwrweqScPxNQolyq/MalUw9ivtBY/5T0ZZe47FN1jcgxZg3iZxhn4WZ6tTI9g27hX 1o+Au/z5V2Yw4PjPwaNk0JXidRqKODxRgUse3EQ+lhRqqo2bI7iswKvGaoDsf2uVFdVA uB/Q4v/UHxWSS9Ivls93zRUyZFmy2DSkhmZHFb06ZSQrwWS9SPaujYaFaaGS2JX7ksTo u4CVh65uEDWl5Flk3Xg9nV1j+iCMtJndF5qqwZoh/BFhA1rX2GnAIm5UmX4gxlQnPhsH GtJQ== Received: by 10.14.53.13 with SMTP id f13mr6432017eec.105.1338393603235; Wed, 30 May 2012 09:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-4.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v46sm331739eef.11.2012.05.30.09.00.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 30 May 2012 09:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: "PaulHunt73" To: "MG List" References: Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 16:58:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlj/L0kIbpdIJ2jh4Env6+dYwvpek5VmPb2/a0g/HX9QxgDz++T4WBiH7QT73K7xVHJp4Xc Subject: Re: [Mgs] Adhesive suggestions for carpet and seats X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mine's not moulded, but it still stays where it is. The centre armrest probably helps. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Not the kind you get from Moss. It's not exactly fitted -- it would be > like > tossing a burlap bag over the tunnel and expecting it to stay put. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 17:24:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB512D042A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:24:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.ctinetworks.com (smtp1.ctinetworks.com [205.166.61.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B08B2D0347 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:24:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from valued9cfc0b6f (75.97.214.12.res-cmts.sth3.ptd.net [75.97.214.12]) (Authenticated sender: davewillner@pa.net) by smtp1.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4FE3E585B0D for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 19:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <072286C1CAC445CB892BA6ACF4BAD399@valued9cfc0b6f> From: "davewillner" To: Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 19:25:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-ctinetworks-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ctinetworks-MailScanner-ID: 4FE3E585B0D.AF819 X-ctinetworks-VirusCheck: Found to be clean X-ctinetworks-Watermark: 1339370723.86818@aSs4Je9HSz3JRv/xT6j5nQ X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Mgs] air pump question for a 70 X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net When I purchased my 70 about 5 years ago for my wife, it had all the smog and air pump pieces removed and blocked off pretty well. It looks ok under the hood, although not quite original and the car runs extremely well with no issues what so ever. I recently purchased a complete used set up in very good shape with all the hoses, air pump, filter, etc, from a 71 B kinda ready to just install. What kind of "can of worms" am I going to open up after I get this installed, I mean what should I expect performance-wise? I think it would be a nice feature to show just because there are so few of them installed these days, and I've been a stickler on originality with this one...Any ideas on what I can expect, or should I steer clear and forgot it? Thanks for the help... Dave Willner Stroudsburg PA 59 TR3A 70 MGB 70 BSA 441 VS _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 17:57:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E01AE2D046E for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:57:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51522D03AA for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-134.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.134]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q4VNsnDC013947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 16:54:51 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.32.0.111121 Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 16:53:46 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Mgs] air pump question for a 70 Thread-Index: Ac0/iJ3ZGGWPgV+fYE+Khnb6w7iWzA== In-Reply-To: <072286C1CAC445CB892BA6ACF4BAD399@valued9cfc0b6f> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] air pump question for a 70 X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I suppose you could could gut the pump so it was free-spinning, install all the hoses but block them off, so it looked factory but functioned the same as it does now... Just a thought. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 5/31/12 4:25 PM, davewillner at davewillner@pa.net wrote: > When I purchased my 70 about 5 years ago for my wife, it had all the smog and > air pump pieces removed and blocked off pretty well. It looks ok under the > hood, although not quite original and the car runs extremely well with no > issues what so ever. I recently purchased a complete used set up in very good > shape with all the hoses, air pump, filter, etc, from a 71 B kinda ready to > just install. What kind of "can of worms" am I going to open up after I get > this installed, I mean what should I expect performance-wise? I think it would > be a nice feature to show just because there are so few of them installed > these days, and I've been a stickler on originality with this one...Any ideas > on what I can expect, or should I steer clear and forgot it? Thanks for the > help... > > Dave Willner > Stroudsburg PA > 59 TR3A > 70 MGB > 70 BSA 441 VS _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 21:30:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356CD2D0404 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 21:30:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: mgs@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C727F2D03AA for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 21:08:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so2901472pbb.14 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:09:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=EriXPLuy/gqwpMNM59fncGQXtS44enk0adCz0NDqM2k=; b=gnbTxSSStWKyzRZSE6NEcF6DHL+fu5pVBLPeNsXH1WJht1N3EAALQOkecW8oCNIkwx eKSfYc4mhqwOSSeAwHZLscAwhEXCh3Q6zELsOvfp6PSYsi3ALg/W+cb5f0CQfBhVrSI9 AUAqO8odXnvnWBGeFqTP6L+zC88EF55Tpv013aSlavzSEpSo6bjplKTfyfDwK/FlAx6k 5gXKl0Tq3lBgkkm8rq80sCpc0975VbzOWRxGRYs4s7lokMJAoF89uLdBoqeWu2FF3tZe pp4Pb5xH5l9QvBi+cV/yXhxscPIxl6V6+P7hAH9eaRNd7CyoloVnVrkRgPmwn2LfJZ4X YyCw== Received: by 10.68.226.99 with SMTP id rr3mr5736242pbc.48.1338520160048; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.6.61.113] (mobile-198-228-209-086.mycingular.net. [198.228.209.86]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ku7sm1166008pbc.31.2012.05.31.20.09.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 20:09:18 -0700 (PDT) References: <072286C1CAC445CB892BA6ACF4BAD399@valued9cfc0b6f> In-Reply-To: <072286C1CAC445CB892BA6ACF4BAD399@valued9cfc0b6f> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B208) From: Richard Ewald Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:09:12 -0700 To: davewillner Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Mgs] air pump question for a 70 X-BeenThere: mgs@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: MG Sports Car discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Assuming nothing you install is FUBAR and it all works as designed, you won't notice much difference. A bit less power from the engine from running the pump is all. I would note that the first paragraph is one hell of an assumption. Rick Sent from my iPhone On May 31, 2012, at 16:25, "davewillner" wrote: > When I purchased my 70 about 5 years ago for my wife, it had all the smog and > air pump pieces removed and blocked off pretty well. It looks ok under the > hood, although not quite original and the car runs extremely well with no > issues what so ever. I recently purchased a complete used set up in very good > shape with all the hoses, air pump, filter, etc, from a 71 B kinda ready to > just install. What kind of "can of worms" am I going to open up after I get > this installed, I mean what should I expect performance-wise? I think it would > be a nice feature to show just because there are so few of them installed > these days, and I've been a stickler on originality with this one...Any ideas > on what I can expect, or should I steer clear and forgot it? Thanks for the > help... > > Dave Willner > Stroudsburg PA > 59 TR3A > 70 MGB > 70 BSA 441 VS > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richard.ewald@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net