From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 1 05:45:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5022F2D030C for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 05:45:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F2A2D02B8 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 05:41:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so2160873eek.14 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 04:43:38 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=8phTK8qFeXlILo4YezlcTBHsZHXAOHOa2zfwlwhKFEg=; b=RukPc1iLBuAWIxSWrUuayJJonAgIwH10zy1OKICfoVz9c46qeL+YDlBQ0di19Rv/As VgvPrOpcx5Y/jvES5DJgv+iGyW56Lbbv81bU8NxnrxRyqCNJgZ56w1Q4lSrA96tlSx9W gDZWCsyTXxDrVvlogu1prWy/5nDf1FxCFDwnTKBQjTzf1sROf/g1C44wr8CcVmUfl0X3 qqKOKSvlCTU3urHTZ5TubpDeth9ewTuEp6zH4zWuZVHC1mkMM4vwAFmb9xSAWK5ufUJQ f9yHb61arvn9a9ptc5p+YdKWqdyAa8lAsPs9m8iZnbpGWRiXwWdGkAHhnrsnpp7a/ZA+ GuzQ== Received: by 10.14.202.69 with SMTP id c45mr22193174eeo.4.1343821418425; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 04:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-4.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s8sm8172186eeo.8.2012.08.01.04.43.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 01 Aug 2012 04:43:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Peter Schauss" , "Mgs-Digest" References: <501899d2.8a26340a.4d6e.52a5@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:28:36 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Coil for 1980 MGB (was intermittent miss) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I think what Richard is trying to say is that the coil and the ballast resistance must be carrying a current for you to see the 6v you expect. Of the two wires on the coil +ve one should come from the ignition source via the ballast resistance, and the other one should come from the bypass contact on the solenoid, both white/light-green. There should be a third, white wire on that terminal which goes to the CEI amplifier, and two white/black wires on the coil -ve. One of these comes from the CEI amplifier and the other goes to the tach. Because the CEI system is variable dwell you may not get a current flowing with the ignition on but the engine stopped. To measure the voltage and check that you do have a ballast resistance in circuit and the correct resistance coil, remove the white/black from the CEI unit that goes to the coil -ve, and connect an earth to the coil -ve instead. With the ignition on measure the coil +ve wrt earth and you should see 6v. If you see 12v there is no ballast in circuit, or the coil is open circuit or not earthed properly. If you see anything else, like 8v, you will have to measure the individual coil and ballast resistance with the ignition off and the wires disconnected to see where the problem lies (8v is typically caused by trying to use a 12v coil, which measure 3 ohms, in series with a ballast). PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > If the system is ballasted, shouldn't the wire coming from the CEI > amplifier > show 6 volts or is there something different about the CEI ignition > system? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 1 15:47:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3C822D042A for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:47:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail03.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail03.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CEF412D03B5 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:46:48 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1343857756; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=Rh2dWOGHCs9K+MOVU5y3gUC6v1/aLxq4kjE0ogW2ZsTMso2bOjVP4q+Xu9EtuvZ6J l9A6cPakHn6utPM7bke+I64mqP/4fyOnv7TrSylphq26/aeQ0dygVvY3KrTWiDkkJb 4FFAxaNgdREcDmTdmRz5C0NGrjNnPxnJzEgOEh2Q= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail12.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.152]) by smtpout54.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJBVKB8AR7KYM2 for (sender ); Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pboldtrix@juno.com) by webmail12.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id SE4RNE63; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 14:48:43 PDT Received: from [184.4.181.2] by webmail12.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 21:48:27 GMT From: "Phil Bacon" Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 21:48:27 GMT To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Replacing door buffers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Listers: Have four new rubber door buffers for my 67 MGBGT. Can anyone advise the best way to do this job? What type of screws hold the hinge -- Phillips?, Pozidrive?, or something else? Remove the hinges from door or from frame, or both? I'm concerned with not screwing up the fit on my doors, so is there a special way to do it? Thanks in advance Phil Bacon ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5019a43ec06ac243e0ec7st54vuc _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 2 02:31:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D4B2D04C3 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 02:31:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4568E2D04A5 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 02:23:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaaf11 with SMTP id f11so468757eaa.14 for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 01:26:01 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=PqbkVdNg98qDJW9V+LxsXxWwANGlZScSL7TCzID+jgo=; b=COydo9rhRcMSE2MGtfNrSEF5j5UlDm8v7Kbf6bI3XzDjcoSWWJGmXR7/ZfTVjbmfcz Yw03Ie7YZzOB8woNDWNG7taOvq3k4aqXxG6JuiSDpEbWXoEiI1i270m5/mAYeo5cre5j hWc3hy3vaQMyRwaVjB5BVndtEw2AY1Qf+iuyjVnKcvE0htlfD/ZDif89wZQ8ppNxRk9i ZTorN/jIiMvhnZrSin09+V/Aqbfsd+ooc67sNnPTiMpdYEv6FMDkb2r4F4qUpe7PPt1Q fI2JT6KArl+5VxtJoow9tgK7HZCSxE+i5thsGf4d4xE/sown73JUiZDjNsgm1L0EKEaz G0fg== Received: by 10.14.198.200 with SMTP id v48mr26126399een.3.1343895961700; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 01:26:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-4.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm15232952eeg.16.2012.08.02.01.26.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 02 Aug 2012 01:26:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Phil Bacon" , References: <20120801.174827.27848.0@webmail12.vgs.untd.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:18:28 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Replacing door buffers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Pozidrive. Strikes me you have to remove the hinge from the A-post at the very least in order to get at the back of the piece that holds the buffer. As well as the four visible screws holding the hinge to the A-post there is a nut on the back accessed by removing the splash plate behind the front wheel. Removing either door from hinge or hinge from A-post will obviously mean re-aligning the door, but if it's right now you should be able to get it right again. If the hinges have been painted when fitted to the A-post you will probably have to cut along the seam or risk a 'tear' in the paint on the A-post, but at least that will help you get the hinge back in the right place, leaving you with just the door on the hinge to get right. However if you have enough padding under the door you may be able to deal with the hinge while still attached to the door. But the down-side is that you will have to man-handle the door while getting the hinge reattached to the A-post, it's much easier to fit the hinges first then slide the door onto the hinges. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Listers: Have four new rubber door buffers for my 67 MGBGT. Can anyone > advise the best way to do this job? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 4 05:17:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D502D07D5 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 05:17:07 -0600 (MDT) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: autox.team.net mailing list memberships reminder From: mailman-owner@autox.team.net To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 05:07:26 -0600 Errors-To: mailman-bounces@autox.team.net This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your autox.team.net mailing list memberships. It includes your subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a list. 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Someone even put helper springs on the stock springs but it sure doesn't seem to have helped much. The back of the car is way too low and looks kind of ridiculous. I did some reading and see a lot of complaints about bad quality replacement springs that start sagging soon after installation. I'd like to avoid that! I'm looking for stock or slightly stiffer than stock spring rate and stock ride height. Where is a good place to start looking? Where should I avoid? Frank in Cloverdale _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 5 18:33:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5E22D0A68 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 18:33:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp142.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp142.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F9442D09C9 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 18:12:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp54.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 729192B0405 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp54.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: don-AT-napanet.net) with ESMTPSA id D0A0D2B03D0 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 17:14:43 -0700 To: mgs@autox.team.net From: Don References: <006a01cd7362$694ebed0$3bec3c70$@comcast.net> Subject: [Mgs] Rear Leaf Supplier Spring Recommendation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Frank, I had a '73 B GT that listed to one side, and I bought a pair of new rear springs from NOS Locators. Front of car was level, and it had new coil springs. All of the springs I put on the car made in UK by the way. I put the new rear springs on the car and the car sat more uneven than it did with the original springs on it. They sent a replacement spring for the spring that was the weaker of the two. That didn't remedy it. Off the car, the springs would match great, but on the car was a different story. So, I took both of the new springs to a local auto spring shop, and gave them the specs on how the car was sitting and they re-arched them. I put them on the car and it was finally level and looked right. After this experience, I would just take original old springs into such a place to start with and not bother with new ones. I don't know which Cloverdale you are in, but if you are in California, the shop to go to is this one. There must be such shops in different cities in the US and Canada. The shop in Santa Rosa did great work in my opinion. http://www.springworks.com/ Don Scott Calistoga CA USA 1955 MGTF 1962 MGA Mk 2 1967 MGB 1963-7 MGB (seeking) Misc. Japanese cars springwepdsprinAt 04:31 PM 8/5/2012, Frank Marrone wrote: >I have a '73 MGB-GT with badly sagging rear leaf springs. Someone even put >helper springs on the stock springs but it sure doesn't seem to have helped >much. The back of the car is way too low and looks kind of ridiculous. I >did some reading and see a lot of complaints about bad quality replacement >springs that start sagging soon after installation. I'd like to avoid that! >I'm looking for stock or slightly stiffer than stock spring rate and stock >ride height. Where is a good place to start looking? Where should I avoid? > >Frank in Cloverdale _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 5 18:48:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C22D2D094C for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 18:48:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 880652D09C7 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 18:30:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-19.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.19]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q760WjIi009886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 17:32:49 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.32.0.111121 Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 17:32:22 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Rear Leaf Supplier Spring Recommendation Thread-Index: Ac1zYdhKvbj5ym3zRcurZJ+xtf2U0gACRlHq Subject: Re: [Mgs] Rear Leaf Supplier Spring Recommendation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hmm. I can recall a lot of posts about experiences with replacement springs that resulted in too high ride height. Mine took over 15 years to level out. I wasn't aware that "too saggy" was a problem with replacements. But that might be a recent phenomenon. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 8/5/12 4:31 PM, Frank Marrone at itswonderful@comcast.net wrote: > I have a '73 MGB-GT with badly sagging rear leaf springs. Someone even put > helper springs on the stock springs but it sure doesn't seem to have helped > much. The back of the car is way too low and looks kind of ridiculous. I > did some reading and see a lot of complaints about bad quality replacement > springs that start sagging soon after installation. I'd like to avoid that! > I'm looking for stock or slightly stiffer than stock spring rate and stock > ride height. Where is a good place to start looking? Where should I avoid? > > Frank in Cloverdale > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 06:42:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53882D0933 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 06:42:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm30-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.130]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 72D9B2D0927 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 06:20:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm30.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2012 12:23:18 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.246] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2012 12:23:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1060.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2012 12:23:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 98563 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2012 12:23:18 -0000 s=s1024; t=1344255798; bh=8cWFd+8+WYUqJdw4KFUbQ84LafZmxmxs0FRU/whk2lU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zv6bne9CBxmweRRJtJ7vArLE8vvKEyuAtUEckG+Cvl86es/Vpdhal4U/+HPjdhhgqiTvvfioaGHJmRFT0dOQaVNorjYA3QUHKl+MLWctO6QcnxN/G3LPZK+v1LILYabVFB/RR07bPx0SKkmK6U4fVLKPR1qAMzLlB1/u1DtrU6A= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6GjBQjzhRU4I0OhgiZlAE1gpXRJDSTDlES+qPSvopJWt77Z8qiqIiIQ+UkCjOb+GrqmnTmhqvCH1HxK3+F2o0h2dfS4udxYfh72bPL7540ljs4wAL8WHiwboS7nxGwF4ayGeFf8ekRAOCPX5aTz9ee6huoAd5eWw/SKqXdaX23s=; XQVq4KgyPpWXzTFZTm0wspXYnElOAfm_lUVJhppBEdENjDwCokFbPgoGgXER h5khOdm1TW0mh89Tp7Z5gxW7Yowo4.F36DQBlNWbZwBPA_l9LiR4QoPFsSZK G4m4z0cQ1kCniKwerb.k58AM5hbYo376Qwiq.cJn0BHSjCnYvQHJ8WbE9LS9 oZzmLeNTs3a9vBFB__gEa9iHEEF6KH_Io2THzAwcb5JpvgIpMpqyJjt25vO7 HLY3viy16aE5X4yeTovIq1tlz3KePBmp0pGepDdXrCFlCQBASyPcoc5CCu8x Fpc3HHyoFxhYUmftPiqhW_ASKgYDUMbx0uA29aVPlvd7p9uGpZmJsvRWizIC g9fyNEHOBfTMvxgwEUAOhIJc0XWsuonqxOpDxtAmhlXuq6tEbPiu0QQ7CUl9 xNnu7.kQtQsdJ0hvD_d5vv1h31dCl_n3kWxhX Received: from [69.248.128.143] by web39401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 05:23:18 PDT References: <006a01cd7362$694ebed0$3bec3c70$@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 05:23:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Frank Marrone , 'Mgs-Digest' Subject: Re: [Mgs] Rear Leaf Supplier Spring Recommendation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Frank, you might want to take a glance through the archives (click the link at the bottom of the message and pick 'MGs) and search on 'leaf springs'). Lots of good info going back to 1998..... Dan D '76B, '65B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Frank Marrone To: 'Mgs-Digest' Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2012 7:31 PM Subject: [Mgs] Rear Leaf Supplier Spring Recommendation I have a '73 MGB-GT with badly sagging rear leaf springs. Someone even put helper springs on the stock springs but it sure doesn't seem to have helped much. The back of the car is way too low and looks kind of ridiculous. I did some reading and see a lot of complaints about bad quality replacement springs that start sagging soon after installation. I'd like to avoid that! I'm looking for stock or slightly stiffer than stock spring rate and stock ride height. Where is a good place to start looking? Where should I avoid? Frank in Cloverdale _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 07:47:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD342D092D for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 07:47:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B76DD2D0914 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 07:31:24 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1344260035; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=Dp3fOG5c87eYQHT3JHBQ2Af2l1mf6Hz08Lye0h5F4FXzK1aRuDxlYLtzr5RPJLDpL 1fQO2pB5K8onLhx3GPx/rJRa9PKddlRN18YH4Ab+TuChpIXc63VD1gBcqb53bZkION +IOiKF/JtVg7fxMTGkkBystnn3/p8INwQ20ThIa8= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.103]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJB9T6JAQZ6AGJ for (sender ); Mon, 6 Aug 2012 06:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mgbob@juno.com) by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id SFGQ86PQ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 06:32:21 PDT Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:31:45 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:31:45 GMT To: don@napanet.net Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Rear Leaf Supplier Spring Recommendation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net My experience was a variation of Don's. Installed new rear springs for '72 GT, and rear was way too high. Went to a spring company, where owner said problem was front springs being low. Installed new front springs and it was much better, but still about two inches high at the rear. Back to the spring shop--they do not re-arch or de-arch springs this small. Went to another spring shop, and learned that they do not work on, or make, small springs either. Their suggestion was to remove the second leaf (the 10-12 inch one) and that the car would eventually settle to level. It is almost level now. Despite the hassles involved, the exercise was worthwhile. The GT rides and handles much better than before. Though stiffer and the motion is quicker, the ride is more comfortable. The exhaust system is intact too. Removal of the leaf required finding new spring bolts. An article in MGB Driver in recent past suggested moving the unwanted leaf from original location to the top, where it is not supporting weight. That would still raise the car by the height of thickness of the spring (3/16 or so). If ride height is acceptable, that would save buying spring bolts. Bob '72 GT '53 TD, with fine, original springs ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Don To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Rear Leaf Supplier Spring Recommendation Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 17:14:43 -0700 Frank, I had a '73 B GT that listed to one side, and I bought a pair of new rear springs from NOS Locators. Front of car was level, and it had new coil springs. All of the springs I put on the car made in UK by the way. I put the new rear springs on the car and the car sat more uneven than it did with the original springs on it. They sent a replacement spring for the spring that was the weaker of the two. That didn't remedy it. Off the car, the springs would match great, but on the car was a different story. So, I took both of the new springs to a local auto spring shop, and gave them the specs on how the car was sitting and they re-arched them. I put them on the car and it was finally level and looked right. After this experience, I would just take original old springs into such a place to start with and not bother with new ones. I don't know which Cloverdale you are in, but if you are in California, the shop to go to is this one. There must be such shops in different cities in the US and Canada. The shop in Santa Rosa did great work in my opinion. http://www.springworks.com/ Don Scott Calistoga CA USA 1955 MGTF 1962 MGA Mk 2 1967 MGB 1963-7 MGB (seeking) Misc. Japanese cars springwepdsprinAt 04:31 PM 8/5/2012, Frank Marrone wrote: >I have a '73 MGB-GT with badly sagging rear leaf springs. Someone even put >helper springs on the stock springs but it sure doesn't seem to have helped >much. The back of the car is way too low and looks kind of ridiculous. I >did some reading and see a lot of complaints about bad quality replacement >springs that start sagging soon after installation. I'd like to avoid that! >I'm looking for stock or slightly stiffer than stock spring rate and stock >ride height. Where is a good place to start looking? Where should I avoid? > >Frank in Cloverdale _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 7 11:57:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C62102D0777 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:57:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 250512D0741 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:51:30 -0600 (MDT) cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=kfTud4QeKxsA:10 a=ME71u7QkEfAA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=dxtdE81wnHkdqyBdnG0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=kYhA9dzLPPYeIOyht7hV0Q==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.30.166] ([72.172.30.166:61076] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 75/5B-15653-83651205; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 13:54:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 12:53:55 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: Frank Marrone References: <006a01cd7362$694ebed0$3bec3c70$@comcast.net> Cc: 'Mgs-Digest' Subject: Re: [Mgs] Rear Leaf Supplier Spring Recommendation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I replaced the rear springs in my '69 B with Moss's reproductions. That was in the mid- 1990's. We had quite a long thread on the MG list at the time. It was called "Ride Height." Don't know if the archives go back that far. Anyhoo, I've had no complaints with the rear springs from Moss. Maybe someone has used them recently. Anybody? CR On 8/5/2012 6:31 PM, Frank Marrone wrote: > I have a '73 MGB-GT with badly sagging rear leaf springs. Someone even put > helper springs on the stock springs but it sure doesn't seem to have helped > much. The back of the car is way too low and looks kind of ridiculous. I > did some reading and see a lot of complaints about bad quality replacement > springs that start sagging soon after installation. I'd like to avoid that! > I'm looking for stock or slightly stiffer than stock spring rate and stock > ride height. Where is a good place to start looking? Where should I avoid? > > Frank in Cloverdale > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 7 12:29:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747422C094C for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 12:29:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405602D0743 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 12:23:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by weys10 with SMTP id s10so3790663wey.14 for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 11:25:44 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ecVMDBq6NlfLz9m3KJLnpbR2oqnajxbtcbtOLD2KImY=; b=KSrkTgsZaT7giJLlZhPPDrXvU4usZgSmhxy5tBGmeWm7brSzfSdYtMGxLg0UXHNUcA fFXYmYSrjs1//K2V+3lW0L6CEZpuUKif1oh5X3zfULNf/EriVCSNy2tDqMBR3tZGSoOU rmACyEdoaEYwdTteo97I+oZ20XQj98RkSqJttgfp8qkQsztR55XkxBL3Iqdr7TF3whMB ozyZbgb3LypkgRJ/tz5FPJpD2rnrmT3lqiKf3fOk1N7yHFDqgYFBd0rsEggp5HY/+XlG 4OXW2glnAHLSh+z4wt1Yb8nwvbuBHh8ZdF5GQupU8yh2kEatiw6kDzbotuV3ZYt2vniH q4Iw== Received: by 10.216.243.1 with SMTP id j1mr7478079wer.29.1344363944341; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 11:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.90.101 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:25:44 -0400 From: Peter Schauss To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Intermittent miss - fixed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to everyone who gave advice and suggestions. I replaced the coil and after about 50 miles the miss has not returned. Peter Schauss 1980 MGB _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 7 13:15:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A7F52D0635 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:15:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from alpha.look.ca (alpha.look.ca [216.66.192.2]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3F592D06F3 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lns3-pool-d842ab68.dsl.look.ca ([216.66.171.104] helo=tower.look.ca) by alpha.look.ca with esmtpa (user simplyyoga@look.ca)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SypBf-0003JC-2R; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 15:11:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 15:08:41 -0400 To: ccrobins@ktc.com,Frank Marrone From: Barrie Robinson References: <006a01cd7362$694ebed0$3bec3c70$@comcast.net> <50215633.2030608@ktc.com> Cc: 'Mgs-Digest' Subject: Re: [Mgs] Rear Leaf Supplier Spring Recommendation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, I did ! I had Moss springs fitted all round and it worked out perfect - Mind you the garage that did it were no fools and not into American stuff !!! At 12:53 PM 8/7/2012 -0500, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: > I replaced the rear springs in my '69 B with Moss's reproductions. >That was in the mid- 1990's. We had quite a long thread on the MG >list at the time. It was called "Ride Height." Don't know if the >archives go back that far. Anyhoo, I've had no complaints with the >rear springs from Moss. Maybe someone has used them recently. >Anybody? > >CR >On 8/5/2012 6:31 PM, Frank Marrone wrote: >>I have a '73 MGB-GT with badly sagging rear leaf springs. Someone even put >>helper springs on the stock springs but it sure doesn't seem to have helped >>much. The back of the car is way too low and looks kind of ridiculous. I >>did some reading and see a lot of complaints about bad quality replacement >>springs that start sagging soon after installation. I'd like to avoid that! >>I'm looking for stock or slightly stiffer than stock spring rate and stock >>ride height. Where is a good place to start looking? Where should I avoid? >> >>Frank in Cloverdale >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Mgs@autox.team.net >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca Regards Barrie barrie@look.ca 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 7 19:31:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF902D0707 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 19:31:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D1D2D06DE for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 19:26:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q781SupV025291 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 21:28:56 -0400 Received: from core-dsc001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dsc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.253.65]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A2B17E000084 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 21:28:56 -0400 (EDT) To: mgs@autox.team.net From: warthodson@aol.com Received: from 99.63.20.167 by webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com (205.188.167.106) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 07 Aug 2012 21:28:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 21:28:56 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1344389336; bh=08/ijRb6VeXFcsIb2OfKKnvySduJqKLKeeexk7J7FYg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZNfcbPFZet9oHnyojerUa65kZaXObJLFiHf1FzUOcACAqNySHYFT03ZTd9ib9ySzZ j51UU/mL9tnThvp774cLIFddbhrhd84lo0QRjop6IaiKmhf/wQY0OkhXqwI7jpS0PY bSPu61+oq5i+HmpVZco/q6q2yNYIzm/WUarQXyi4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e5021c0d82a76 Subject: [Mgs] twin cam for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a 1959 LHD MGA twin cam for sale which I have owned since 1989. For more information contact me off list. Gary Hodson _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 9 02:58:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6B72D0ACC for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 02:58:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B55F2D0AAF; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 02:51:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q798rt2v013261; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 04:53:55 -0400 Received: from core-med002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-med002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.47.5]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id EE3AFE000086; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 04:53:54 -0400 (EDT) References: <20FC54BCFD71433F9046D58533D9BC4F@bboffice> To: wbeech@flash.net, mg-t@autox.team.net, mgs@autox.team.net From: laf48@aol.com Received: from 74.101.203.111 by webmail-d017.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.30) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 09 Aug 2012 04:53:54 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 04:53:54 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1344502435; bh=bjx8EksCu+tk8fKx+PVJcGIIihiJ9S4XHv91VB2Mlm4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=o/l69ViQOjmId+ygiAgFE8FUJVKQ8c3B61cqX2p+lXJa+ya/ziry3o2Crukl5FBAq fKakvtutv0HVMgFrQX8dqoHkDR8ZCEWchrRVWVBK2EIm9g1nkBUh4k4GbjYTgAKjdu KjB4O1Sct+QwCbXMaGCGEDD7gRv1DuMgWJA0sEjE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d50237aa20f3d Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] TD Oil Seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Bill IMO, the Moss seal is not needed. Align bore the block to bring the main bearing clearance down to .001" (with new bearings). Done. My car has virtually no leaks. Do not use the Moss front seal, I have a part # for a thinner seal which works better. Len -----Original Message----- From: Wbeech To: 'mg-t' ; mgs Sent: Wed, Aug 8, 2012 5:14 pm Subject: [Mg-t] TD Oil Seal Friend just brought over his '52 TD and showed me the oil leaking from the weep hole in the bell housing. Probably a drop every 10 seconds as it sat there idling. Couldn't think of anything good to say to him but it must be the rear main seal. It there anything else up there that could be leaking so badly? I just looked in the Moss catalog at the seal replacement kit that they sell. Does anyone here have any experience with it? Are there any other good alternatives out there? Lastly, May I presume that this cannot be done with the engine in situ? I have never pulled a TD engine, any particular tricks? Must I pull the engine/tranny together? Thanks to all, Bill ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 9 04:47:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4302D0AF7 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 04:47:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail238c25.carrierzone.com (mail238c25-1785.carrierzone.com [64.29.147.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DEAA2D0ADA; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 04:37:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from plausa.com (plaseram-gw.customer.alter.net [63.66.38.238] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail238c25.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q79Adwik030489; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:39:59 GMT Received: from 10.10.0.11 by plausa.com with SMTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 06:40:20 -0400 Received: from MSERVER.PLASSERUSA.COM ([fe80::8506:be5c:fde0:50a2]) by MSERVER.PLASSERUSA.com ([fe80::8506:be5c:fde0:50a2%11]) with mapi id 14.01.0270.001; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 06:40:20 -0400 From: Ron Olds To: Wbeech , "'mg-t'" , "mgs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Mg-t] TD Oil Seal Thread-Index: Ac11qY7enHh7ksZdS9er9DxK9gTBAgAcTShw Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:40:18 +0000 References: <20FC54BCFD71433F9046D58533D9BC4F@bboffice> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.10.0.108] a=ZlqPTpuubVQA:10 a=aWpDN6JOaUgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=pSk3U5zQ5k+FXcUof0lIzw==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=4QKFqgILAAAA:8 a=5u_bxkqpgaR_vwJNd5IA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=jHqhL58HGh8A:10 a=Myvdmj_CWkj5QYtL:21 a=y3MQ0tH_boeCd4U7:21 a=pSk3U5zQ5k+FXcUof0lIzw==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] TD Oil Seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, I have the same leak on my TD engine following rebuilding the engine. I used the Moss rear seal. The car is not on the road yet and I haven't done anything about it yet but I probable will have to. It is my understanding that the weep hole is designed for oil to drip. What I don't know is how much is designed to drip. Please keep me informed as to how you address the problem, the solution and results. Thanks, Ronald Olds -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wbeech Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 5:06 PM To: 'mg-t'; mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] TD Oil Seal Friend just brought over his '52 TD and showed me the oil leaking from the weep hole in the bell housing. Probably a drop every 10 seconds as it sat there idling. Couldn't think of anything good to say to him but it must be the rear main seal. It there anything else up there that could be leaking so badly? I just looked in the Moss catalog at the seal replacement kit that they sell. Does anyone here have any experience with it? Are there any other good alternatives out there? Lastly, May I presume that this cannot be done with the engine in situ? I have never pulled a TD engine, any particular tricks? Must I pull the engine/tranny together? Thanks to all, Bill ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/rolds@plausa.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 9 06:01:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AABD2D035A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 06:01:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc3-s5.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc3-s5.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B81312D0281; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 05:54:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT124-W59 ([65.55.90.137]) by snt0-omc3-s5.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 9 Aug 2012 04:56:44 -0700 From: Mike E To: , "mg-t@autox.team.net" , Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 07:56:44 -0400 References: <20FC54BCFD71433F9046D58533D9BC4F@bboffice> FILETIME=[0BAA2FF0:01CD7626] Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] TD Oil Seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, Also see what Abingdon Spares has to offer. I've often found them to be less expensive, with the same or better quality. They ONLY sell MG T parts, so they cater to us. www.abingdonsparesllc.com They're a bit old fashioned - you can look at their catalog and prices online, but you'll have to phone in your order. They ship very quickly. I have no experience with either company's rear main seals, however.NFI, and all that. Also, if anyone is concerned about ZDDP, Abingdon Spares sells their own blend of oil specially formulated with additives for our cars. Look under "specials." Best of luck to you and your friend! -Mike Eldred > From: wbeech@flash.net > To: mg-t@autox.team.net; mgs@autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:05:39 -0500 > Subject: [Mg-t] TD Oil Seal > > Friend just brought over his '52 TD and showed me the oil leaking from the > weep hole in the bell housing. Probably a drop every 10 seconds as it sat > there idling. > > Couldn't think of anything good to say to him but it must be the rear main > seal. It there anything else up there that could be leaking so badly? > > I just looked in the Moss catalog at the seal replacement kit that they > sell. Does anyone here have any experience with it? Are there any other > good alternatives out there? > > Lastly, May I presume that this cannot be done with the engine in situ? I > have never pulled a TD engine, any particular tricks? Must I pull the > engine/tranny together? > > Thanks to all, > Bill > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/redscirocco@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 12 22:51:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B773C2D0314 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:51:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116AF2D02FF for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:45:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vbkv13 with SMTP id v13so3856689vbk.14 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 21:47:58 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=v6h++BlUZ0+aAD0pZPaj9XBHlL9vMRjkUyS/H1gkGl8=; b=mo5dIj9IEc+l2TELs/TrxtHLAA67K0wJzD5BmoxCFkGiwR0QEQfVSqhfKGR3yOpayp yXRoKtRohH/AA4Rn7NndTQCJqQWXtZWPas49HMkykpCs5FSYt8srAd7DOY0I40Pi3vJ6 /pgOjk+SJnIVqWY0r0Qofgk8gY+Ixeaw+vv95Pv4Ry9o4FL8LnMV3rgeJvD8/QyE8QWI GHROx5towWHY0HMFJOm3AtlZHt3+yT3xXiR8xhnUcpwgD1y1MFjbfxON8CsSGtLGwGIh g97mBqi61CHBCloV8eSWbnSto/sJb0cCUpVIWEvlDtNJ5u7vzotUuyTAwkmkc+s2FJ3d G87Q== Received: by 10.220.215.138 with SMTP id he10mr7496657vcb.50.1344833277922; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 21:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.58.43 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 21:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 21:47:57 -0700 From: Simon Matthews To: MGS Subject: [Mgs] MG in the Olympics closing ceremony? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net What was it? TD? Simon _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 12 22:54:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9202E2D0307 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:54:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.francomm.com (mail.francomm.com [208.78.32.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5950C2D02C9 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:54:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pete200 (66-109-47-202.dialup.francomm.com [66.109.47.202]) by mail.francomm.com with SMTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:57:19 -0400 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:57:25 -0400 From: "Pete Chast" User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.64 (Win32) Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG in the Olympics closing ceremony? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thought I saw a bugeye. On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:47:57 -0400, Simon Matthews wrote: > What was it? TD? > > Simon > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/pchast@francomm.com -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 13 02:13:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D7532D0317 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 02:13:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633E42D02F3 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 02:12:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so1020495eek.14 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 01:14:45 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=vr6zs/NWXTTh53wtFATNtXkHiPREr7qiG4ehrBYi9zM=; b=KFmSY89mv2XuqpFdEdalvh1bFcEOgPTtNQTUOcGCAR798MnspV2JvD0FR+BlchWR6b nffvfRm+dMVTr7mL4Cd5l4GxHs2nyBz237tW8KnRVtiVBSZxh7G7Ck6winNfrBxxyekG 8ormQQ1JrZg0xeBkRtZx54UBgZktfwzwkFddVMQgI5AFcynaqszUHzvLU65pE1xSWvVx bKOlx4+y+JCkb8rp4P1g4ef4yLvhPYwLjLH+mBCw/0tpeMKofh/TT8t8WFB3Bx2LyLnf Md4OGKJYl+2SydRucrTVqRKDWpMlDQHoo7KaoAA5mhmb0AeUayD56N5XMnQBl3YzOrdV FlAg== Received: by 10.14.203.73 with SMTP id e49mr8700128eeo.27.1344845685768; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 01:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 45sm16751189eeb.8.2012.08.13.01.14.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 13 Aug 2012 01:14:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: , "Pete Chast" References: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 09:08:53 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG in the Olympics closing ceremony? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Both, although the TD could well have been a TA/B/C as I don't remember seeing a front bumper. There was an MGA, an MGF and a big Healey. Wife thought she spotted a BGT. PaulH ----- Original Message ----- > Thought I saw a bugeye. > >> What was it? TD? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 13 14:21:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991A62D0390 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:21:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06652D034A for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:21:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vbkv13 with SMTP id v13so4838588vbk.14 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:24:14 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=+zNQaT7zb9HAHOKUe2C0VzG122A0dcP97mSQASpiGQU=; b=bY6ibUm2OOK1i0Vf/buoEO8XxPV5TbGeRTc3fruBPZ1Fwrb8kODQcWtzOaA68T9068 D0HCGy8IpGmkh/MkPyZdoSDBHBcbz/IG5XSXnWsQFN2ZtRAkKkoxoDb8+N3kTaGtUvfa g7YskRsWxI/bhaw11vibsmsqbFSp/Uwr2pRyynHokyVWuiR/iEKBcCsVpkybM1N0yLxU ++vTYePuEoQjyDsgTaVxe+BRjCaW/cK3iAA+pYGuBLRC5m1Wqg/X8bl8wQ6Wh8Q41/x4 6Ksx8TAxu1z0HYcpc7mGNiWY6zW6BqMl9rF0n2YQLcal3V5a5/FGE45FkSJdYhbcksA1 goTw== Received: by 10.52.24.227 with SMTP id x3mr7814430vdf.68.1344889454790; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.58.43 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:24:14 -0700 (PDT) References: <52125FCEC98E4513B17955C0556DB87E@paul> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:24:14 -0700 From: Simon Matthews To: PaulHunt73 Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG in the Olympics closing ceremony? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net One forum reported an MGB and MGB-GT. Looking at some photos, it was not a TD, as I had suggested -- something earlier. Simon On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:08 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > Both, although the TD could well have been a TA/B/C as I don't remember > seeing a front bumper. There was an MGA, an MGF and a big Healey. Wife > thought she spotted a BGT. > > PaulH > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> Thought I saw a bugeye. >> >> What was it? TD? >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/mgs/simon.d.matthews@ > **gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 13 16:08:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F4572D036D for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:08:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (cmsout02.mbox.net [165.212.64.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E9E2D035A for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:08:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DBD1340DF for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:11:26 +0000 (GMT) cmsout02.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82F) with ESMTP id 195qHmwLX3264M02; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:11:23 -0000 Received: from imap02.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.2] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.72B) with ESMTP id XID783qHmwLX5931X02; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:11:23 -0000 imap02.cms.usa.net Received: from web02.cms.usa.net [165.212.8.202] by imap02.cms.usa.net (ESMTP/d.mckinnie@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82G) with ESMTP id 016qHmwLX4656M22; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:11:23 -0000 Received: from 69.60.183.90 [69.60.183.90] by web02.cms.usa.net (USANET web-mailer C8.MAIN.3.83I); Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:11:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:11:23 -0400 From: "Douglas McKinnie" To: Z-USANET-MsgId: XID016qHmwLX4656X22 Subject: [Mgs] Just a "click" when starting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sometimes when I get into the car and turn the key to the "start" position, there is just rather a substantial "click" sound and nothing more. It always starts normally if I turn the key back to "run" and then try again. I'm just wondering if this is something I should be concerned about. Douglas McKinnie '70 MGB-GT Western Massachusetts _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 13 16:13:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A8D2D0369 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:13:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D322D035E for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:13:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-43.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.43]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q7DMGCi9017751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:16:13 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.32.0.111121 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:15:18 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Just a "click" when starting Thread-Index: Ac15oR75N04mohQkIkO4UY/5zPHeMg== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Just a "click" when starting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have experienced this symptom in the past at various times. To me, it is a prompt to start checking, cleaning and tightening connections. on 8/13/12 3:11 PM, Douglas McKinnie at d.mckinnie@usa.net wrote: > Sometimes when I get into the car and turn the key to the "start" position, > there is just rather a substantial "click" sound and nothing more. It always > starts normally if I turn the key back to "run" and then try again. > > I'm just wondering if this is something I should be concerned about. > > Douglas McKinnie > '70 MGB-GT > Western Massachusetts -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 13 16:23:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ED792D03A2 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:23:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.francomm.com (mail.francomm.com [208.78.32.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6C42D035E for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:20:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pete200 (66-109-47-236.dialup.francomm.com [66.109.47.236]) by mail.francomm.com with SMTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:23:05 -0400 To: mgs@autox.team.net, "Douglas McKinnie" References: <412qHmwkX2528S02.1344895883@web02.cms.usa.net> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:21:38 -0400 From: "Pete Chast" User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.64 (Win32) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Just a "click" when starting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Douglas, I'd be checking and cleaning all contacts including the chassis from engine ground. Something could be loose/not grounding properly. Pete Chast On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:11:23 -0400, Douglas McKinnie wrote: > Sometimes when I get into the car and turn the key to the "start" > position, > there is just rather a substantial "click" sound and nothing more. It > always > starts normally if I turn the key back to "run" and then try again. > > I'm just wondering if this is something I should be concerned about. > > Douglas McKinnie > '70 MGB-GT > Western Massachusetts > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/pchast@francomm.com -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 13 17:00:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CADB62D01AA for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 17:00:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397D12C0D50 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 17:00:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.19.11.110] (wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu [69.166.47.97]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7A8284F3; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 19:02:48 -0400 (EDT) References: <412qHmwkX2528S02.1344895883@web02.cms.usa.net> From: Aaron Whiteman Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:02:48 -0700 To: Douglas McKinnie Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Just a "click" when starting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sent from my iPad On Aug 13, 2012, at 3:11 PM, "Douglas McKinnie" wrote: > Sometimes when I get into the car and turn the key to the "start" position, > there is just rather a substantial "click" sound and nothing more. It always > starts normally if I turn the key back to "run" and then try again. > > I'm just wondering if this is something I should be concerned about. Oh the timing! Over the past few weeks, I had noticed that my starter was slowing. One day, it didn't do anything but 'click'. In my case, it was the starter itself that was close to dead. Without a load, it would turn (slowly), but on the car, it did nothing but draw amps. As Max wrote, make sure your connections are and grounds are good and clean. If the problems go away, you're golden for a while. Worst case, you need to be concerned about a dying starter, but if yours is anything like mine, it'll let you know bad things are coming as long as you are listening. With an assistant, put the car on a jackstand, chock the rear wheels, put the brake on, put the car in neutral and check the voltage * at the output of the starter relay. Should be about 12V when the assistant turns the key to start. * at the solenoid control circuit; since this is the other end of the output of the relay, it should also be about 12V. * at the second large pole of the starter, which provides rich chunky amps to turn the starter motor. You are playing with high-amp unfused circuits, so be careful. In my case, the starter relay was loud enough to mask the starter solenoid circuit, so I shunted the battery directly to the control circuit, discovered the solenoid was working "click!", but the starter wouldn't turn. Fortunately, they are (in the words of our local auto electrics specialist) "highly rebuildable". _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 13 17:42:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8EC2D01FC for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 17:42:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A162C0D35 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 17:42:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta001 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q7DNh0Io016696; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:44:40 -0700 Received: by dm0226.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 48303e8e) id dm0226.5008c910.4d2506; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:44:34 -0700 From: "Chad" To: "'Aaron Whiteman'" , "'Douglas McKinnie'" References: <412qHmwkX2528S02.1344895883@web02.cms.usa.net> <59B4C2B2-3DE4-4391-91F1-59883B79BFE8@panix.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:44:34 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac15p9X51ISZeUPFSiOQBKo29IUjZgABOX2A Content-Language: en-us engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-08-13_05:2012-08-13,2012-08-13,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1208130291 Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Just a "click" when starting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The high torque starters are great. There is a seller on Ebay under "MG MGB MGC Modern Gear Reduction Starter Motor MGB-GT" sells them for $190, much cheaper than the regular sources. One thing nice is they take much less power to run them, nice feature if you are having issues in that department. Chad -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Aaron Whiteman Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 6:03 PM To: Douglas McKinnie Cc: Subject: Re: [Mgs] Just a "click" when starting Sent from my iPad On Aug 13, 2012, at 3:11 PM, "Douglas McKinnie" wrote: > Sometimes when I get into the car and turn the key to the "start" > position, there is just rather a substantial "click" sound and nothing > more. It always > starts normally if I turn the key back to "run" and then try again. > > I'm just wondering if this is something I should be concerned about. Oh the timing! Over the past few weeks, I had noticed that my starter was slowing. One day, it didn't do anything but 'click'. In my case, it was the starter itself that was close to dead. Without a load, it would turn (slowly), but on the car, it did nothing but draw amps. As Max wrote, make sure your connections are and grounds are good and clean. If the problems go away, you're golden for a while. Worst case, you need to be concerned about a dying starter, but if yours is anything like mine, it'll let you know bad things are coming as long as you are listening. With an assistant, put the car on a jackstand, chock the rear wheels, put the brake on, put the car in neutral and check the voltage * at the output of the starter relay. Should be about 12V when the assistant turns the key to start. * at the solenoid control circuit; since this is the other end of the output of the relay, it should also be about 12V. * at the second large pole of the starter, which provides rich chunky amps to turn the starter motor. You are playing with high-amp unfused circuits, so be careful. In my case, the starter relay was loud enough to mask the starter solenoid circuit, so I shunted the battery directly to the control circuit, discovered the solenoid was working "click!", but the starter wouldn't turn. Fortunately, they are (in the words of our local auto electrics specialist) "highly rebuildable". _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgb72@airmail.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 13 18:09:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F232D017F for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:09:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612232D0152 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:07:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-43.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.43]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q7E0A034002852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 17:10:01 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.32.0.111121 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 17:06:35 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Just a "click" when starting Thread-Index: Ac15p9X51ISZeUPFSiOQBKo29IUjZgABOX2AAAD7tvo= Subject: Re: [Mgs] Just a "click" when starting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net IME, starting is not something the MGB has trouble with, assuming the battery has enough juice to turn the engine over at all. So long as it rotates, even slowly, it will fire on the first or second turn. In other words, the problem is seldom with inadequate starter torque -- it's almost always a charging or ignition problem. When I had a bad ring gear, I used to start the car by opening the driver's door and pushing backwards out of the totally level driveway with my left foot, and popping the clutch in reverse when it hit the slight slope of the curb cut. That wasn't a whole lot of rotation, but it worked every time. At the other end, I would leave it in an empty area of a parking lot, and push hard enough to coast for a few feet -- same result. A hill was even better, of course. I have to say I wasn't very fond of the "poke-and-pray" Mark I starter -- a bad pinion is what ruined my ring gear, which then proceeded to quickly ruin 2 new pinions in short order. I wound up replacing the whole mess with a late 70s OD tranny, starter and flywheel. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 8/13/12 4:44 PM, Chad at mgb72@airmail.net wrote: > The high torque starters are great. There is a seller on Ebay under "MG MGB > MGC Modern Gear Reduction Starter Motor MGB-GT" sells them for $190, much > cheaper than the regular sources. One thing nice is they take much less > power to run them, nice feature if you are having issues in that department. > > Chad > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Aaron Whiteman > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 6:03 PM > To: Douglas McKinnie > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Just a "click" when starting > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 13, 2012, at 3:11 PM, "Douglas McKinnie" wrote: > >> Sometimes when I get into the car and turn the key to the "start" >> position, there is just rather a substantial "click" sound and nothing >> more. It > always >> starts normally if I turn the key back to "run" and then try again. >> >> I'm just wondering if this is something I should be concerned about. > > Oh the timing! > > Over the past few weeks, I had noticed that my starter was slowing. One > day, it didn't do anything but 'click'. > > In my case, it was the starter itself that was close to dead. Without a > load, it would turn (slowly), but on the car, it did nothing but draw amps. > > As Max wrote, make sure your connections are and grounds are good and clean. > If the problems go away, you're golden for a while. Worst case, you need to > be concerned about a dying starter, but if yours is anything like mine, > it'll let you know bad things are coming as long as you are listening. > > With an assistant, put the car on a jackstand, chock the rear wheels, put > the brake on, put the car in neutral and check the voltage > * at the output of the starter relay. Should be about 12V when the > assistant turns the key to start. > * at the solenoid control circuit; since this is the other end of the > output of the relay, it should also be about 12V. > * at the second large pole of the starter, which provides rich chunky amps > to turn the starter motor. > > You are playing with high-amp unfused circuits, so be careful. > > In my case, the starter relay was loud enough to mask the starter solenoid > circuit, so I shunted the battery directly to the control circuit, > discovered the solenoid was working "click!", but the starter wouldn't turn. > > > Fortunately, they are (in the words of our local auto electrics specialist) > "highly rebuildable". _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 14 01:26:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE082D0166 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 01:26:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail15.tpgi.com.au (mail15.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C180F2D0156 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 01:19:49 -0600 (MDT) date=Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:22:13 +1000 Received: from PatPC (60-242-242-72.static.tpgi.com.au [60.242.242.72]) by mail15.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from pat@pathand.net) (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q7E7MAE2031243; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:22:13 +1000 From: "Pat Hand" To: "'Chad'" , "'Aaron Whiteman'" , "'Douglas McKinnie'" References: <412qHmwkX2528S02.1344895883@web02.cms.usa.net> <59B4C2B2-3DE4-4391-91F1-59883B79BFE8@panix.com> <000f01cd79ad$97e93a80$c7bbaf80$@net> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:22:08 +1000 Thread-Index: Ac15p9X51ISZeUPFSiOQBKo29IUjZgABOX2AABAjqlA= Content-Language: en-us Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Just a "click" when starting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi I have fitted a High Torque starter to my 1971 MGB, it works great, and uses less power. Regards Pat Hand 74 MGB 49 MGY T -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chad Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:45 AM To: 'Aaron Whiteman'; 'Douglas McKinnie' Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Just a "click" when starting The high torque starters are great. There is a seller on Ebay under "MG MGB MGC Modern Gear Reduction Starter Motor MGB-GT" sells them for $190, much cheaper than the regular sources. One thing nice is they take much less power to run them, nice feature if you are having issues in that department. Chad -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Aaron Whiteman Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 6:03 PM To: Douglas McKinnie Cc: Subject: Re: [Mgs] Just a "click" when starting Sent from my iPad On Aug 13, 2012, at 3:11 PM, "Douglas McKinnie" wrote: > Sometimes when I get into the car and turn the key to the "start" > position, there is just rather a substantial "click" sound and nothing > more. It always > starts normally if I turn the key back to "run" and then try again. > > I'm just wondering if this is something I should be concerned about. Oh the timing! Over the past few weeks, I had noticed that my starter was slowing. One day, it didn't do anything but 'click'. In my case, it was the starter itself that was close to dead. Without a load, it would turn (slowly), but on the car, it did nothing but draw amps. As Max wrote, make sure your connections are and grounds are good and clean. If the problems go away, you're golden for a while. Worst case, you need to be concerned about a dying starter, but if yours is anything like mine, it'll let you know bad things are coming as long as you are listening. With an assistant, put the car on a jackstand, chock the rear wheels, put the brake on, put the car in neutral and check the voltage * at the output of the starter relay. Should be about 12V when the assistant turns the key to start. * at the solenoid control circuit; since this is the other end of the output of the relay, it should also be about 12V. * at the second large pole of the starter, which provides rich chunky amps to turn the starter motor. You are playing with high-amp unfused circuits, so be careful. In my case, the starter relay was loud enough to mask the starter solenoid circuit, so I shunted the battery directly to the control circuit, discovered the solenoid was working "click!", but the starter wouldn't turn. Fortunately, they are (in the words of our local auto electrics specialist) "highly rebuildable". _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgb72@airmail.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/pat@pathand.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5197 - Release Date: 08/13/12 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 14 02:44:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737942D01AB for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 02:44:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23702C0D39 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 02:42:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaaf11 with SMTP id f11so53059eaa.14 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 01:44:55 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=ixRJ3gQwaPoYQ1D2dnMasBm304u1XWqfubSTDYgRUWk=; b=Ofz1+B3wFbcx6/i/6QqO1mplobHp/k3qPUmRWerUhXlpHjsFjpagIlBzJ6TVDHZJqe lAwPSXChYrQL7xwq+fxKhoW3NIb2SylpNMs47c+yMB+CjB7l6bHAR0MXfCnddOdbZCWH ULLKFXTVzmArWk9xsAANioLvvg8O0zu4Z8YPSRn+UgkIyc3q+3C37jjXoDwleXzkaaxO 1l0j63g0mv/EIUQ9Na+RbBCS4e3b4l4Gzt7jvYj1wlI/IVDuPMCuQB1CF2oSsEMpnsX0 YayUIRZKs3mVeOZ77Kruw4lory5iUgRq4Y/ppk8E41f+LkgsJ6D/mJaxOUMyh8s+lQt2 w7rQ== Received: by 10.14.178.197 with SMTP id f45mr11170079eem.11.1344933593313; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 01:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h2sm4826587eeo.3.2012.08.14.01.39.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 14 Aug 2012 01:39:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Douglas McKinnie" , References: <412qHmwkX2528S02.1344895883@web02.cms.usa.net> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 09:16:11 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Just a "click" when starting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net A 'substantial' click is probably the solenoid operating, but either failing to power the motor or the motor is failing to turn the engine. If the ignition warning light barely dims with the click, then it is probably for former. If it dims greatly, then the latter, possibly because of bad connections at the battery, battery earth to body, or engine/gearbox earth to body, although these often cause the solenoid to chatter as well. 'Hi torque' starters - there are two kinds advertised. One claimed to be so but is a conventional ungeared starter, and geared starters. Only the latter give the benefits of significantly lower cranking current and higher cranking speed, albeit at significant extra cost. The other ones are just more expensive without having much more 'bang for the buck'. Geared starters usually have the *solenoid* in line with the pinion and the motor to one side, with the motor slightly smaller than the solenoid, as opposed to the conventional very large motor (in comparison to the solenoid) motor in line with the pinion. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Sometimes when I get into the car and turn the key to the "start" > position, > there is just rather a substantial "click" sound and nothing more. It > always > starts normally if I turn the key back to "run" and then try again. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 14 02:46:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301F02D02C0 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 02:46:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17ABC2D01EF for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 02:44:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so52629eek.14 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 01:47:00 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:cc:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole :x-gm-message-state; bh=KEzcYDCGf+Dl6fTjzmC6zqUDB+M6MdlAo2GNYmXok80=; b=cqu6Y9eGrRwFUsVBEf3UalLjse7WQng1QhXjXBCAwA8GdkOpncKJ06hbOjxogG1fc8 O5zu5jvJLenffZomHTNw1O6bu7+SBU/9Fr1dcaIDpLWLQNidTATzMX/813txggsIB4M9 /alCoxyPc9fko+CtfnNNeH31SIJZrIkguw2A03T5JdU6qws5hBwfrBfhcWbWJs/g2Imm fb102mn5yDdsBLZJTufKfmC1k0M0uRh7LByXWUlZWUWjvcdQeWf+SSNEO8WGaWIKYBG6 omE2OLmrUn5UO2Ot98lNo920TPZI9oVEwAedWeeoF1XS1ZGDKaWAvNnnEl0vjI0+ss+r OgAg== Received: by 10.14.179.200 with SMTP id h48mr18375627eem.12.1344933594468; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 01:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h2sm4826587eeo.3.2012.08.14.01.39.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 14 Aug 2012 01:39:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" Cc: References: <52125FCEC98E4513B17955C0556DB87E@paul> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 09:18:03 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG in the Olympics closing ceremony? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Subsequently spotted a yellow rubber bumper MGB roadster, interestingly an American spec with the side markers. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- One forum reported an MGB and MGB-GT. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:08 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: Both, although the TD could well have been a TA/B/C as I don't remember seeing a front bumper. There was an MGA, an MGF and a big Healey. Wife thought she spotted a BGT. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 12:29:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61F22D02E0 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 12:29:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6532D0218 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 12:23:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggnf4 with SMTP id f4so2562975ggn.14 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 11:25:50 -0700 (PDT) h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=eIZIuxZppzT+E88SfG0E0OAiUf1JFwUoq+MFIgQu+6E=; b=VV5lY1Wjvj+oNcZelx/tZOg7uyWYnXj3FYc3ApU3d4U0IkOSLmye2JiTYZafqUU7hU 81NrfDM41P2YfFjpe9C5hQWXx9I4igQ5RnbSoYS2WINaMdDmSFn7qVb4Cqy5GtcJbr9r FMXclx1QrS/OSjwAV231pezfyp5L2LczW/6KeigJVWRVUFKCM/PzbBkK5yqen6rHAW+0 phuZgKAbVmGWdF6usQqMdgBNLdbR/hnhXuEw2qLTX5aN4AXee2k8JXeMKvyxmlWtckH4 BslKKmbAqEL2NS7gNs/EISJUAbC3hFu9+9kVlT2VvP32d8CBS2TeLZQLHn513za1VFlk uR7w== Received: by 10.50.159.130 with SMTP id xc2mr19806947igb.33.1345055149748; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 11:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aces.iaces.com ([204.147.87.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gy9sm17019798igc.1.2012.08.15.11.25.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 15 Aug 2012 11:25:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Root Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:25:46 -0500 To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: [Mgs] Off topic: Air compressors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net So my air compressor has been making a hissing noise, and I thought it was just the pipe connecting the tank to the compressor, as it was loose. But this past weekend, I took a look and it was fine. However, the rusted through hole at the bottom of the tank seemed to be the place that air was leaking out. :-) So can I get just a new tank? There is nothing wrong with the motor and compressor, except it's a bit loud since it's direct drive instead of belt drive. Obviously, the big box stores don't sell tanks, but someplace must? Paul. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 14:08:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE3D2D01AA for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:08:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746882C0CE4 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:08:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120815201047.ZHPY28961.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com>; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 21:10:47 +0100 Received: from TomVistaPC ([82.15.7.85]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with SMTP id <20120815201047.GGWW23973.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@TomVistaPC>; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 21:10:47 +0100 From: "Tom McCay - Classic-Car-World Ltd" To: "Paul Root" References: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 21:10:45 +0100 cv=GaEGOwq9FwezmTggA+b6yC6zDZF2HYaK6RN/tSqdnVA= c=1 sm=0 a=01vaY4ui7LQA:10 a=SwtCKMz6xJQA:10 a=qJSTaHS7k8gA:10 a=wndav2NGAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=7Kj9Y990AAAA:8 a=ZiEtDuA_X3KqJL7hRWgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=ZU-5R2sX9CwA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=aygMq9tF6YsA:10 a=wpE33KPQgo8A:10 a=4gSDtjXPPbIA:10 a=aG5d1rJrAguhmADI:21 a=wu5PIskGqOMDw8LH:21 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=VkFJzS844eouENyl3CEA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=hz2BZ0AXE5D1Fy0Oi1MA:9 a=KQqxNPgzF0kA:10 a=bBYOPpBTfDRoTx7L:18 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Off topic: Air compressors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Paul, to be totally honest you will probably buy a new compressor for less than the price of a replacement tank. Offer the motor & pump on eBay. Please see the following link to a general direct drive compressor on our website which is priced at 164.19UKP. http://www.ccw-tools.com/product.asp?P_ID=29536 The tank for this compressor on it's own is priced at 170.38UKP. It may be different for you in the USA but here in the UK the price of spares is silly. Kindest regards Tom Tom McCay - Director, CCW-Tools, (a division of Classic-Car-World Ltd), 32 Washingborough Road, Heighington, Lincoln, LN4 1RE. Tel: 01522 888178 Fax: 0870 705 9115 E-Mail: enquiries@ccw-tools.com, URL: www.ccw-tools.com Registered address: 32 Washingborough Road, Heighington, Lincoln, LN4 1RE. Classic-Car-World Limited is a company registered in England and Wales. Company number 3930761. VAT registration number: 755 7630 05 VCard QR Scan ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Root To: mgs@autox.team.net List Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:25 PM Subject: [Mgs] Off topic: Air compressors So my air compressor has been making a hissing noise, and I thought it was just the pipe connecting the tank to the compressor, as it was loose. But this past weekend, I took a look and it was fine. However, the rusted through hole at the bottom of the tank seemed to be the place that air was leaking out. :-) So can I get just a new tank? There is nothing wrong with the motor and compressor, except it's a bit loud since it's direct drive instead of belt drive. Obviously, the big box stores don't sell tanks, but someplace must? Paul. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/enquiries@classic-car-world.co.uk [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of CCW-Tools%20VCard%20QR.jpg] _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 14:20:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ECDF2D0137 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:20:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109442C0D44 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:20:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenl1 with SMTP id l1so2723408yen.14 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:23:24 -0700 (PDT) h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:x-priority:in-reply-to:date :cc:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=gw2y0Z+PNOVpU8nko6cbCQHw7U23CRmiNFH4vGAng5g=; b=l6euoCbSjmjdtw3BnbeileHfVSfMrKeo7uBv459rcUSb/pvE6RHgnEm4jjeU20pdc3 q5imciK+wX9UmySa6/FXlBbDRfHql2AzrGF7/ANvEPwAtI5XORf7chmUbLOMg8fNfiL3 /Jlq0SrR3k4tmgZdiQDG276JNeVryLYU2eLsllxF774jzmcEW9WdxHZnjFXK/0iVQQ32 43dX3IakwKlmN5D1KKskWQR7J2RQi5YVNlkwIuzBllse76S2VlrFybZnz60t4eeZoHgk Df6bNYz5O3Z+1tG0P55ZSsLP2qFXfgDzeegaYZtyfYKP8hsqjAezA31yTUNfxwv8kHHg CJnw== Received: by 10.50.209.41 with SMTP id mj9mr20186420igc.23.1345062204445; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aces.iaces.com ([204.147.87.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ud8sm5430678igb.4.2012.08.15.13.23.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:23:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Root Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:23:21 -0500 References: To: "Tom McCay - Classic-Car-World Ltd" Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Off topic: Air compressors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, that looks a lot like what I have. I'm in the US, but thanks. On Aug 15, 2012, at 3:10 PM, Tom McCay - Classic-Car-World Ltd wrote: > Hi Paul, to be totally honest you will probably buy a new compressor for less than the price of a replacement tank. Offer the motor & pump on eBay. > > Please see the following link to a general direct drive compressor on our website which is priced at 164.19UKP. > > http://www.ccw-tools.com/product.asp?P_ID=29536 > > The tank for this compressor on it's own is priced at 170.38UKP. > > It may be different for you in the USA but here in the UK the price of spares is silly. > > Kindest regards > Tom > Tom McCay - Director, > CCW-Tools, (a division of Classic-Car-World Ltd), > 32 Washingborough Road, > Heighington, > Lincoln, > LN4 1RE. > Tel: 01522 888178 > Fax: 0870 705 9115 > E-Mail: enquiries@ccw-tools.com, > URL: www.ccw-tools.com Registered address: > 32 Washingborough Road, > Heighington, > Lincoln, > LN4 1RE. > Classic-Car-World Limited is a company registered in England and Wales. > > Company number 3930761. > VAT registration number: 755 7630 05 > > VCard QR Scan > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Paul Root > To: mgs@autox.team.net List > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:25 PM > Subject: [Mgs] Off topic: Air compressors > > So my air compressor has been making a hissing noise, and I thought it was > just the pipe connecting the tank to the compressor, as it was loose. > > But this past weekend, I took a look and it was fine. However, the rusted > through hole at the bottom of the tank seemed to be the place that air was > leaking out. :-) > > So can I get just a new tank? There is nothing wrong with the motor and > compressor, except it's a bit loud since it's direct drive instead of belt > drive. > > Obviously, the big box stores don't sell tanks, but someplace must? > > Paul. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/enquiries@classic-car-world.co.uk _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 14:37:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2C42C0D12 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:37:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.francomm.com (mail.francomm.com [208.78.32.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F7A2C0C99 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:30:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pete200 (66-109-47-226.dialup.francomm.com [66.109.47.226]) by mail.francomm.com with SMTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:33:11 -0400 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:33:09 -0400 From: "Pete Chast" User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.64 (Win32) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Off topic: Air compressors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes they are available... Google is your friend for this. On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:25:46 -0400, Paul Root wrote: > So my air compressor has been making a hissing noise, and I thought it > was > just the pipe connecting the tank to the compressor, as it was loose. > > But this past weekend, I took a look and it was fine. However, the rusted > through hole at the bottom of the tank seemed to be the place that air > was > leaking out. :-) > > So can I get just a new tank? There is nothing wrong with the motor and > compressor, except it's a bit loud since it's direct drive instead of > belt > drive. > > Obviously, the big box stores don't sell tanks, but someplace must? > > Paul. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/pchast@francomm.com -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 14:38:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA2C82D033F for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:38:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50DC2D01A6 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:36:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so3173980obh.14 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:39:06 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=318eykAEiM4ddaeidD/sJCLw3YLE87FkQIkX8E1ocOg=; b=pZgnsXX8xgrPHDb5JMZJxA4XkWOsVcAWXrtzlvKWuv/5PlXJWCBXYv8lrjTlZTMKAU GWKim7xmiGYkBXBbU24z9XQ7cT2pyLYnvma28D8Gxys+I0dGPKNzNpKGjRgyMqfml3Pj OTiMQACcqA5W/RImqo1/4YIEhRiHARCxevjPSkdJtf3omD8WToPPDuOvAXMxF7oDOMAw +B955OEh1H6Fp6UszZ0r+urbXo6T2RPJvWJbQHcbOS+hiJzFDnIUU9LVs0SV/6M0OQaQ cbs3h9cS8dVaYfbJllrSuRHvu1LQEGzvizaaL/eFwKOd51ogb2xIKZUPmfgzUWyJE46g 1psg== Received: by 10.182.149.105 with SMTP id tz9mr25081963obb.65.1345063146326; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.169.66 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:39:06 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:39:06 -0600 From: Henri Lefebvre <71mgbgt@gmail.com> To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Off topic: Air compressors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I imagine continuing to use a tank that already has a rust hole would be a very dangerous risk of explosion!? Henri On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Paul Root wrote: > So my air compressor has been making a hissing noise, and I thought it was > just the pipe connecting the tank to the compressor, as it was loose. > > But this past weekend, I took a look and it was fine. However, the rusted > through hole at the bottom of the tank seemed to be the place that air was > leaking out. :-) > > So can I get just a new tank? There is nothing wrong with the motor and > compressor, except it's a bit loud since it's direct drive instead of belt > drive. > > Obviously, the big box stores don't sell tanks, but someplace must? > > Paul. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/71mgbgt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 17:38:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE6E2D0160 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:38:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F28242C0D11 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:32:02 -0600 (MDT) cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=kfTud4QeKxsA:10 a=01vaY4ui7LQA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hkJqP0-4dNvRsSJvo-AA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=NLfql2RRv24TzcAVH4mgGQ==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [75.91.224.104] ([75.91.224.104:60739] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id C3/47-06055-F023C205; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 19:34:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:34:33 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: Paul Root References: Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Off topic: Air compressors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Buy another compressor, Paul and remember to open the bleed valve after you're done using the new one. ;-) CR On 8/15/2012 1:25 PM, Paul Root wrote: > So my air compressor has been making a hissing noise, and I thought it was > just the pipe connecting the tank to the compressor, as it was loose. > > But this past weekend, I took a look and it was fine. However, the rusted > through hole at the bottom of the tank seemed to be the place that air was > leaking out. :-) _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 16 12:44:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F5C2D019F for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:44:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC6B2D0185 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:44:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7GIkle3006104 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:46:47 -0400 Received: from core-mhd001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mhd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.65]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E1BCEE000090 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:46:46 -0400 (EDT) From: DMatt21502@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:46:46 -0400 (EDT) To: mgs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1345142807; bh=7jBglp+0Fni+8hcp0W6lxcfcKy6MskHGC2ujakZ4K3Y=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=b6YjJ/f0ADsx4e7zjyWTtEzBUO+Yb2T7K/lnFLGfYO8rHKs36awOG12JfNsw+Kqz1 L8S9pZ8fp9A/px6AY2K/x9gxo3gvDok+IZzaNlvZfrq1k9JMYTBmt5J2vsART5Hxxg jW4SCyc6AnK5IXyJaShme1Ilub+y19TPzDRtTV9Q= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b502d40163bb8 Subject: [Mgs] Air Compressor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net If the hole is just pinhole size I would try sanding around it and using JB Weld. Mine has held for 20 years! _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 16 14:02:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186422D01C3 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:02:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D27C2D0156 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:00:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenl1 with SMTP id l1so4116311yen.14 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:02:52 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Y76jxIVhrDqH5tUc2THr5VEl149DFZPmkDiRJ/JauKA=; b=BJr+11ahUtqHARWQst7BCtVLx7l3JJv62Q5QRrlE5/RhEmK146MzjAQwPieC54K9b0 +bdTGEJJOwseADaChxjUl3XbePJKBErko5vidcaGle6/Hehyv5V+g5/KQ/pQZDA6PcR/ RJli5lDVnHZDPhl1VdxqehFoMBRnMeMG+6X/Fh/yRLRf6iTvvaRpqzDkBHilihR3usEz sfZZH7KddfSq44/NxuWPyJRnHkqjEhPtid/Dj9xcZwX6JiOGmgM1FIcd+r2TW6VTapsJ WFNWtfF0VPZW2Ui2BiywmOKpkd1x11vRaRtKfprub51t/GqxXS3qFv7Ho98ssWNSYg/l lp9A== Received: by 10.50.236.8 with SMTP id uq8mr305528igc.1.1345147371790; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.51.3 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:02:51 -0700 (PDT) References: <7b138.6c551f8.3d5e9a16@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:02:51 -0700 From: Richard Ewald To: DMatt21502@aol.com Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Air Compressor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I would not do this. You have no idea of the condition of the rest of the walls of the compressor. Patch one pin hole and you might then get a catastrophic failure of the entire tank. A pressure vessel with a rust hole is scrap IMHO. Rick On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:46 AM, wrote: > If the hole is just pinhole size I would try sanding around it and using JB > Weld. Mine has held for 20 years! > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richard.ewald@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 17 02:24:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413252D0219 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 02:24:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631E82D0202; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 02:19:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120817082224.IRVP18581.mtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com>; 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Fri, 17 Aug 2012 07:59:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E652D021A for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 07:59:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [72.30.22.92] by nm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2012 14:02:01 -0000 Received: from [209.191.108.96] by tm14.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2012 14:02:01 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.118] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2012 14:02:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2012 14:02:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 53582 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2012 14:01:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=snet.net; b=3Pm1KnCy4GKOSIlQq2wdvMjtX2W2qZlSWNbsKaMIV5iGSPLv4yzP14b/6sOlQ6t2zgC0RFEl9d+ZyxaEr8pQ3HaWybcf64wpk9/rbR/uTnaPZuuBPB+b6ERJRwVSBZNE4XtVVtH5X3vusnCnO07qp4BYp4ooRlwS8cHR+9d4pqc= ; s=s1024; t=1345212090; 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U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <7b138.6c551f8.3d5e9a16@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Air Compressor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I experienced this failure twice now, on a 35 year old 1hp unit and a much newer 5hp. They were not catastrophic, just noisy and wet (indicating why they failed). I found an identical tank for the 5hp, hopefully with less/no rust, at a flea market for $10. I plan to weld in a replacement patch on the 1hp to try to save it, cutting back to where the tank is still solid. The little one has sentimental value, I've had it so long. On 8/16/2012 4:02 PM, Richard Ewald wrote: > I would not do this. > You have no idea of the condition of the rest of the walls of the > compressor. Patch one pin hole and you might then get a catastrophic > failure of the entire tank. > A pressure vessel with a rust hole is scrap IMHO. > Rick > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:46 AM, wrote: > >> If the hole is just pinhole size I would try sanding around it and using JB >> Weld. Mine has held for 20 years! >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richard.ewald@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/james.f.juhas@snet.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 17 11:19:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC41A2D0305 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:19:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com (mail-iy0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D7D2D0220 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:19:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so1134341iah.14 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 10:22:02 -0700 (PDT) h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=xdpV65Y5QXXp0afv2STxBukqXUGTfI3wdnerKNVNRyc=; b=kPG3BR4eYjt7Xdw2i+W6juOWeEYTkXwtbGxY5I18FShZv2rXfzDCV5cPKAylg2CoOB tImDthqAwWo1ffkpZ9WPkYDgLZT44bL5/5r6RhX0O93+DujcpzdIq8JPeP+Ii4Pa2erd k7zisx3u2qmNEEY90djyOkdiPxUc7Vv1k3XZL12/KoFbRf/VFJiXUyNbSrhWp2NdjKVh ItMFAO7AWnqOjNZnebnU6unuXukFRRvwbNVVNXl6c/4C2k3YOtRxl/Kx0lbMB6QJzvFQ 6POPVGMhGSYrMPUM8BKeZFJXkK/6FMXLeofFqm5Y/s9Wi0FcXppi1dA0XMiPsiOKVO1t CaYQ== Received: by 10.43.43.194 with SMTP id ud2mr5133284icb.13.1345224122033; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 10:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aces.iaces.com ([204.147.87.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id uq6sm5137162igb.14.2012.08.17.10.22.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 17 Aug 2012 10:22:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Root Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 12:21:58 -0500 To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] mufflers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I know this is probably pointless to ask, but it's time for a new muffler for my car. Hit a bump this morning, and the front now has a hole, and the rear is really close. Anyway, I'm not concerned with getting 1, 2, or 5 more HP from my exhaust change. I'm interested in volume. I don't want it loud. Can anyone rate the relative loudness of the stock (well 68-74 from Moss) vs Tourist Trophy vs big bore stainless vs Peco? I have a '77 with HIF conversion and stock pre-cat manifold. I'm not planning on changing the manifold at this time, but that's not a show stopper. thanks, _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 17 11:59:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ECE32D032C for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from crabmail.rutgers.edu (crabmail3.rutgers.edu [165.230.111.219]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C702C0CB1 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:54:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by crabmail.rutgers.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B12C2C078 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crabmail.rutgers.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (crabmail.rutgers.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1Iobfcp+yV2X for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crab.rutgers.edu (crab.rutgers.edu [165.230.111.194]) by crabmail.rutgers.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B0D2C059 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c-174-58-19-250.hsd1.fl.comcast.net ([174.58.19.250]) by crab.rutgers.edu with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:57:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:57:14 -0400 From: saidel To: References: <5CC11327-718A-4D33-9B1B-10FB451AE584@gmail.com> User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.7.2 Subject: Re: [Mgs] mufflers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Paul. I replaced the muffler of my '76 with HIF's with the stock Moss muffler this spring and I must admit, I am surprised by how loud it is. In fact, I hope there is a fix to reduce the noise, something to try this Fall. Bill Saidel '76 MGB BMCSNJ On 2012-08-17 13:21, Paul Root wrote: > I know this is probably pointless to ask, but it's time for a new > muffler for > my car. Hit a bump this morning, and the front now has a hole, and > the rear is > really close. > > > Anyway, I'm not concerned with getting 1, 2, or 5 more HP from my > exhaust > change. I'm interested in volume. I don't want it loud. > > Can anyone rate the relative loudness of the stock (well 68-74 from > Moss) vs > Tourist Trophy vs big bore stainless vs Peco? > > I have a '77 with HIF conversion and stock pre-cat manifold. I'm > not > planning on changing the manifold at this time, but that's not a show > stopper. > > > thanks, > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/saidel@camden.rutgers.edu _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 17 14:07:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96EA92D024A for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:07:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail13.tpgi.com.au (mail13.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7253D2D029F for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:07:30 -0600 (MDT) SMTP AUTH 18 Aug 2012 06:09:56 +1000; auth=/X0J75t1ChDYY67dqz+6Qd4jQKMnvLVol4kYJX68JBs= Received: from macintosh-2.gateway (glazie1.lnk.telstra.net [110.143.73.251]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail13.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from arundell@ghs.com.au) (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q7HK9sE5018877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 18 Aug 2012 06:09:56 +1000 From: Murray Arundell Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 06:09:54 +1000 References: <7b138.6c551f8.3d5e9a16@aol.com> <502E4EC3.3090003@snet.net> To: Jim Juhas Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Air Compressor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Why are you guys so bloody mean with your $s? Obviously you've never seen the results of a catastrophic failure of a pressure vessel.... For Pete's sake how much does a basic compressor cost in the US? Two parts of bugger all...... Get rid of the old clunker and probably save you life in the process. Murray Arundell On 18/08/2012, at 12:01 AM, Jim Juhas wrote: > I experienced this failure twice now, on a 35 year old 1hp unit and a much newer 5hp. They were not catastrophic, just noisy and wet (indicating why they failed). I found an identical tank for the 5hp, hopefully with less/no rust, at a flea market for $10. I plan to weld in a replacement patch on the 1hp to try to save it, cutting back to where the tank is still solid. The little one has sentimental value, I've had it so long. > > On 8/16/2012 4:02 PM, Richard Ewald wrote: >> I would not do this. >> You have no idea of the condition of the rest of the walls of the >> compressor. Patch one pin hole and you might then get a catastrophic >> failure of the entire tank. >> A pressure vessel with a rust hole is scrap IMHO. >> Rick >> >> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:46 AM, wrote: >> >>> If the hole is just pinhole size I would try sanding around it and using JB >>> Weld. Mine has held for 20 years! >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Mgs@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richard.ewald@gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/james.f.juhas@snet.net > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/arundell@ghs.com.au _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 17 14:18:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE512D02D1 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:18:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp122.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp122.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9297E2C0CF9 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:17:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp32.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7765314844A for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 16:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp32.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: don-AT-napanet.net) with ESMTPSA id 127401483DF for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 16:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:20:08 -0700 To: mgs@autox.team.net From: Don References: <5CC11327-718A-4D33-9B1B-10FB451AE584@gmail.com> Subject: [Mgs] mufflers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On this subject . . . My '67 B has a straight pipe where the muffler should be. I want to get a stock muffler for it, but Moss doesn't have them. A friend says the Moss mufflers for later Bs can be adapted to a Mk 1 car. Anyone done this? Does anyone have any experience buying or using a stock type muffler on an early B? Thanks! Don Scott Calistoga CA USA 1955 MGTF 1962 MGA Mk 2 1967 MGB 1963-7 MGB (seeking) Misc. Japanese cars _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 17 14:34:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1042D02D5 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:34:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8C32D0272 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:29:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-80.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q7HKWLDC030625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:32:23 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.32.0.111121 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:31:25 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] mufflers Thread-Index: Ac18t0V44JRx04V+0UyJ5KiDplnvoQ== Subject: Re: [Mgs] mufflers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm surprised. I didn't have any trouble locating a muffler last time I looked. 454-540 Muffler, front 454-550 Muffler, rear My catalog is a couple years old, however... on 8/17/12 1:20 PM, Don at don@napanet.net wrote: > On this subject . . . > > My '67 B has a straight pipe where the muffler should be. I want to > get a stock muffler for it, but Moss doesn't have them. A friend > says the Moss mufflers for later Bs can be adapted to a Mk 1 > car. Anyone done this? > > Does anyone have any experience buying or using a stock type muffler > on an early B? > > Thanks! > > Don Scott > > Calistoga CA USA > 1955 MGTF > 1962 MGA Mk 2 > 1967 MGB > 1963-7 MGB (seeking) > Misc. Japanese cars -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 17 15:06:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36F42D02D1 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 15:06:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from msubillings.edu (bilexeg02.msubillings.edu [192.156.215.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B0C2D029F for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 15:06:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BILEXCH02.msubillings.edu (192.156.215.141) by BILEXEG02.msubillings.edu (192.156.215.143) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.379.0; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 15:08:51 -0600 Received: from BILEXMB02.msubillings.edu ([169.254.2.173]) by BILEXCH02.msubillings.edu ([192.156.215.141]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 15:08:59 -0600 From: "Councill, David" To: Don , "mgs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Mgs] mufflers Thread-Index: AQHNfJzlru3GmK3I4U+2cUf5qPykPpde1r8A//+dInA= Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 21:08:59 +0000 References: <5CC11327-718A-4D33-9B1B-10FB451AE584@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.112.94.54] Subject: Re: [Mgs] mufflers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I am a bit puzzled by this. I put a stock exhaust on my 64B, purchased from Moss or a reseller maybe two years ago. A check at Moss Motors shows parts and prices, indicating they should still be available (unless temporarily out of stock?). http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29007 As far as my experience, for the original post, my MGs are all running stock exhaust systems (64b, 67BGT, 72B). For a long time, probably 1980 to maybe 1999, I used the ANCO or ANSI (I think that was the name) exhaust which had a more tubular muffler. I liked the rounded muffler because it was less likely to catch on road bumps and as I recall, it seemed a bit quieter than the stock. I don't see it on Moss website now so I am not positive I have the name right. It is hard to say which exhaust is truly louder though without comparing two cars side by side or measuring with a decibel meter though. I just know the original exhaust works fine and is inexpensive. David Councill -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 2:20 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] mufflers On this subject . . . My '67 B has a straight pipe where the muffler should be. I want to get a stock muffler for it, but Moss doesn't have them. A friend says the Moss mufflers for later Bs can be adapted to a Mk 1 car. Anyone done this? Does anyone have any experience buying or using a stock type muffler on an early B? Thanks! Don Scott _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 17 15:21:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9EB2D029F for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 15:21:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24932D028D for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 15:13:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SteveLenovo (pool-108-7-35-15.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [108.7.35.15]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MIuvJ-1T0ZAL1xo9-002WZw; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:16:37 -0400 From: "Steve Shoyer" To: "'MG List'" References: <5CC11327-718A-4D33-9B1B-10FB451AE584@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:16:47 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac18nNQr7tnjYszHRRaS0aakc/zcawAIAAGw x0KJ1SJx/LORqizWdHQu5jL30bv/bPCCBTqKDcaTnd9r00CUJo S6XNNw51X9NSolpmLeUfFBmw8kfr6xN3SmV+CruUWi7VZtjB9l RpQqzT6QL/n7cXiuDESCq6jqGXbMU3XSr6qcGirOt8qbrK2qQA DuLHyvtEdW/ULThwDV7M6GmUlabqQ0+j7wOM3ycGRUHdjhTkXI 6Yt9gA8xpVDJYpSduQPWe/NQxD0SbVka/8uR59eUoUL/auEmD1 64hk2ct5I5nhmnUjo7fppTbg1txPB4OlmrW/qDvmDj8F5M+rzg jMG1m+TXFXG8wjAeCk/Vt1O8owy8eBPn5ouXY0bVh Subject: Re: [Mgs] mufflers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Paul, I've got a 1980 MGB with the HIF conversion. I replaced the stock muffler with a Peco header and exhaust. I was told when I put it in that if it was too loud, I could add a glasspack muffler in the middle to quiet it down, but I haven't seen the need to do so. I wouldn't call it quiet, but it's not terribly loud either. -Steve (1980 MGB) -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Root Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 1:22 PM To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] mufflers ...Can anyone rate the relative loudness of the stock (well 68-74 from Moss) vs Tourist Trophy vs big bore stainless vs Peco? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 17 18:15:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0B82D0353 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 18:15:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm26.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm26.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.223]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7013E2D02E0 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 18:15:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.193] by nm26.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2012 00:17:53 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.166] by tm6.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2012 00:17:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1049.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2012 00:17:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 55276 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Aug 2012 00:17:53 -0000 s=s1024; t=1345249073; bh=XURY3nXiavNxYBToqlSO6UoP8wWgQhkItDQROPtv6RU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=f+5P2W6RHOcW3dXxmSVlbTtGLWdpDIN/le09hRbN1SeU3KEPp4F0BHRc4oBdgoOCARYN51fxeJ+DtsjdqCW+LOqLPxBabaNvdgyxGiSm8VhbcwcvSKQ1NYRWUWIWIW71wyUS0EDh/VJ6KTELc8LzU7NCRdyyzYA3IPGuazgXzGc= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=E9LTXntRTKf31+KEn+WkBvTDDmM5Nj1mV6SAFdZ4oxjSBVVKklnqs7LFfF3dIsggaa1MGPoXdJMjGrNce531u2/r4EKjmcXDxZKvEQ7iQt9sOl8SqFHHnnK0EPgt7spGT/hWl/q9Evb3Hb26NJ/uEJrjeTLlrO2/vB5b7YvTLVQ=; bXM.dRGjrgItfoYhLsUfFkaZ8LXssRlsT8iwWCYgFkqiwhvzfmoh.vy7FbOp 1pnAnISDPWtp9fqBEP7k1PLgT.dvTouPlnay8fDyYJE6eGWJFTQ15ge_R7ZK g2chrtqyHIhgt7aFozr17vdOThH2JbsRIzgm01DAQAvhtTV8kKZSqe6hSEvD zHXamAnILe7derqYpHGeQuch4mIFycgqRUCZnAWVz_3RJbEnggIoliXDpWxv c00uVnmJcDr5UAcnfR4axbTn40zhONPHTHApqVB.HFZkcgBtcIBn9mWIYy_F 7cil_51lqqJrBgycGjZ8m9f1qfUdz9PtsZMPEmbIEM.vsyX0v.t7BseXLt4c 4YaO4JHUITOAW4XdjkKj4xDXWwXmN3IGqxum3CKc_xNsZFouqOuTdSpHlHMg sLGMuAPz7N2wiq_WFSxYl0aQJQaigSWat.Vc- Received: from [69.248.128.143] by web39403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:17:52 PDT Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:17:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: MGB- Yahoo , MG List Subject: [Mgs] Good News on the B Front Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Well, finally taking some steps to get back behind the wheel of a B... Specifically, my '76.... Had it trucked down to the Motorcar Garage (Pete Cosmides' shop) last Friday to get the carb straightened out. That's all done, and I am having a few other items attended to as well. So I should be driving it before the end of this month... Can't wait, it's been a few years... While half of the garage is empty (looks strange!) I am cleaning up and rearranging and will be moving my mostly-disassembled '65 B project to the 'working' half of the garage. That will allow me to get back to working on it and finish the stripping-down process. Looking forward to spending some quality time with both the cars again. Dan D '76 B DRIVER '65 B Project Central NJ USA _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 18 01:31:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50DFA2D037F for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 01:31:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp172.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp172.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851432D031D for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 01:30:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp37.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0CC2B3B039B for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 03:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp37.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: don-AT-napanet.net) with ESMTPSA id 9A8DD3B01F7 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 03:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 00:33:20 -0700 To: MG List From: Don References: Subject: [Mgs] mufflers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Re: "puzzled" and "surprised" Hey guys, I may be slow, but I'm not stupid. I have been looking at each Moss MGB catalogue since I bought my car a year ago, and the rear muffler 454-550 for pre-1968 MGB was illustrated but was shown as "NA." However, the catalogue I just got in the mail does show that it is available again. t 01:31 PM 8/17/2012, Max Heim wrote: >I'm surprised. I didn't have any trouble locating a muffler last time I >looked. > >454-540 Muffler, front >454-550 Muffler, rear > >My catalog is a couple years old, however... > > >on 8/17/12 1:20 PM, Don at don@napanet.net wrote: > > > On this subject . . . > > > > My '67 B has a straight pipe where the muffler should be. I want to > > get a stock muffler for it, but Moss doesn't have them. A friend > > says the Moss mufflers for later Bs can be adapted to a Mk 1 > > car. Anyone done this? > > > > Does anyone have any experience buying or using a stock type muffler > > on an early B? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Don Scott > > > > Calistoga CA USA > > 1955 MGTF > > 1962 MGA Mk 2 > > 1967 MGB > > 1963-7 MGB (seeking) > > Misc. Japanese cars > >-- > >Max Heim >'66 MGB GHN3L76149 >If you're near Menlo Park, CA, >it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 18 16:07:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D982D0202 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 16:07:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from msubillings.edu (bilexeg02.msubillings.edu [192.156.215.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41A72D0283 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 15:09:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BILEXCH02.msubillings.edu (192.156.215.141) by BILEXEG02.msubillings.edu (192.156.215.143) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.379.0; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 15:11:58 -0600 Received: from BILEXMB02.msubillings.edu ([169.254.2.173]) by BILEXCH02.msubillings.edu ([192.156.215.141]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 15:12:10 -0600 From: "Councill, David" To: Don , MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] mufflers Thread-Index: AQHNfJzlru3GmK3I4U+2cUf5qPykPpde1r8AgAADJ4CAALjwAIAAeU5g Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 21:12:09 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [72.175.92.16] Subject: Re: [Mgs] mufflers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Perhaps then, I should add a bit more to this topic. I was "puzzled" because I had recently purchased all the exhaust pieces for my 64B restoration (recently as in two years ago) through Moss. However, it seems like I have been seeing a lot more "NA" parts the past 5-10 years. Some parts are "NA" because they can be substituted with newer year B parts or even with generic (multi-car) parts. But I have also found that parts listed "NA" by Moss can sometimes be found through other parts distributers. Most recently I purchased door caps for my 64B from the Roadster Factory - no other vendor I know of sells these. I have also ordered from the UK on a few occasions for parts unavailable here in the US. Leacy Classics (www.leacy classics) provided me with some hard to find parts and quick free international shipping. Brown & Gammons (http://www.ukmgparts.com/) was my source for parts for a factory hard top on my 72B that no other distributers had. Also, I should mention Moss resellers can also be helpful in finding alternate sources for NA parts. During the earlier restoration of my 72B, both Jeff Zorn (lbcarco.com) and Ed Kaler (justbrits.com) were able to locate some items for me. Just a little helpful information for the list. I am sure many of you are like me and are always looking for sources for parts. And that's just new parts. I have found used parts to be even more difficult in recent years in terms of salvage yards. David Councill 64 B 67 BGT 72 B -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:33 AM To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] mufflers Re: "puzzled" and "surprised" Hey guys, I may be slow, but I'm not stupid. I have been looking at each Moss MGB catalogue since I bought my car a year ago, and the rear muffler 454-550 for pre-1968 MGB was illustrated but was shown as "NA." However, the catalogue I just got in the mail does show that it is available again. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 18 16:09:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 663362D028B for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 16:09:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp192.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp192.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.192]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CAE12C0C08 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 15:23:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp39.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9756A981D5 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 17:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp39.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: don-AT-napanet.net) with ESMTPSA id 15A96981D3 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 17:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 14:25:33 -0700 To: "mgs-autox.team.net" From: Don ings.edu> References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] mufflers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry to come off so strong. I have had MGs for 45 years and I have bought parts from many places. Used to get a lot of them directly from the UK, new and used, as I had a Magnette, Bs, MGA, and others. Was great when the dollar and pound were at parity. Getting a proper exhaust system on my current MGB is not a high priority, and just happened on the postings so interjected my query. I had not bothered to even look for a source other than Moss for a muffler. A used exhaust system in good shape would be fine, as what is on it works, but it's way too loud for my tastes. It looks to have a single glasspack single muffler only. Don At 02:12 PM 8/18/2012, Councill, David wrote: >Perhaps then, I should add a bit more to this topic. I was "puzzled" >because I had recently purchased all the exhaust pieces for my 64B >restoration (recently as in two years ago) through Moss. However, it >seems like I have been seeing a lot more "NA" parts the past 5-10 >years. Some parts are "NA" because they can be substituted with >newer year B parts or even with generic (multi-car) parts. But I >have also found that parts listed "NA" by Moss can sometimes be >found through other parts distributers. > >Most recently I purchased door caps for my 64B from the Roadster >Factory - no other vendor I know of sells these. I have also ordered >from the UK on a few occasions for parts unavailable here in the US. > >Leacy Classics (www.leacy classics) provided me with some hard to >find parts and quick free international shipping. Brown & Gammons >(http://www.ukmgparts.com/) was my source for parts for a factory >hard top on my 72B that no other distributers had. > >Also, I should mention Moss resellers can also be helpful in finding >alternate sources for NA parts. During the earlier restoration of my >72B, both Jeff Zorn (lbcarco.com) and Ed Kaler (justbrits.com) were >able to locate some items for me. > >Just a little helpful information for the list. I am sure many of >you are like me and are always looking for sources for parts. And >that's just new parts. I have found used parts to be even more >difficult in recent years in terms of salvage yards. > >David Councill >64 B >67 BGT >72 B > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] >On Behalf Of Don >Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:33 AM >To: MG List >Subject: [Mgs] mufflers > >Re: "puzzled" and "surprised" > >Hey guys, I may be slow, but I'm not stupid. I have been looking at >each Moss MGB catalogue since I bought my car a year ago, and the >rear muffler 454-550 for pre-1968 MGB was illustrated but was shown as "NA." > >However, the catalogue I just got in the mail does show that it is >available again. > > > > > > >----- > >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5207 - Release Date: 08/18/12 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 18 20:22:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD8B2D0228 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:22:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2532D0182; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:42:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Spitfire ([72.178.142.143]) by p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id oRlD1j00835qS0g01RlEw7; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 18:45:14 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "Triumphs" , "Triumph 6 Pack" <6pack@autox.team.net>, References: Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:44:55 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] open trailer available Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm running an empty trailer suitable for an lbc from dallas to tuscaloosa next friday. if you need a car moved I can make you a great deal dave northrup dallas, tx _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 23:03:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF7B2D02EB for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:03:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6B42C0D1B for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:01:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU0-SMTP181 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:03:46 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.37] ([184.19.219.224]) by BLU0-SMTP181.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:03:43 -0700 To: "=?utf-8?B?TUcgTGlzdA==?=" From: =?utf-8?B?c2NodWx0ZWppbUBtc24uY29t?= Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 01:02:54 -0400 FILETIME=[2BE0C180:01CD7E91] Subject: [Mgs] =?utf-8?q?Death_in_MG_family?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Folks, Fyi. Steve Hardings wife passed away on Saturday due to an undisclosed illness. Debbie has been Steve's sidekick since before they started the Philly MG Club back in the early 80's. Our deapest sympathy is extended to Steve and his family. Debbie was a kind and friendly person. She was loved by all who knew her. Jim Schulte Former Secretary PMGC Sent via the HTC Vividb", an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 05:05:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 043562D02AB for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:05:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm35-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm35-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F9F82D028B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:05:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm35.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 11:08:18 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.249] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 11:08:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1041.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 11:08:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 55777 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2012 11:08:18 -0000 s=s1024; t=1345460898; bh=QqIvxnK+G3vQgDRSuy8J7VGX8Cb3fWkX0URNtXt+Apk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Em1shT0T2FhZ6CpFdXqQRH4ipUrT820J7lERJKDByzb3ZDxX2Db+YUAEeA3CoiEmI/7i5sAfQmAi/M3ult5OPSXnQLYk53pbbjygUV/4zAXX4ehczIGx79NlPZaR6+6pw9MXYhzFSCfjGBAFKRoGuVqMNWWMrsmHdC5Sf8V6K0g= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hJXQ0ImNL9YTJ5HAwYM5Ufyc3kZXvTi5JvLnxdWwTbYSBBgxAshWd4JjnHG6s4LqXRoqgeh8HZHwoMSooLBI7GGOS+W3mHhUQ+H/Xgi9ntLugPWuRUOD8P8f7+Sang0k4NxdMcMYc4Td3lysM+KIiKgktxJSeoMLN5p7eBsOL3w=; AxkgEpstDU2G_hKXtprGl8YM_FQ1Flt6bZhQLY4g_IpaH1xQY3fSLSrPonmM TkLhlFqFZ3i.EGyav2bQG0bmsjME4YeJ1sRrc_HeUCYMo5I.ToTwy2EGklCJ dVaQDZqcTe1qOojXS1khtaZ3ZfkE1C5cUFWS5YTpxMh8KsRmmITxCieev5vL PXrrYJFRI81AKpdYQeDkicnnT1oQzdqDKjYN8Ssic5vWW2Zpt0H8cOvyI105 6ywzhp7ccEOGmYRQTlgUuJatTMEhZdAZaBkQVfywqnXaLIhIjqFcd9YjCQxT W.3ZuwfGZIER95XbcE1SIvgLq4Bl4YKu5nFFueAeH1xoUJ3TBF.UjOsNe15P _wGBRPmdpMjnr4dIgJ_HDWAv3UxASpbLPkprO0ZqBysvQGX6c4r8.wsvopVQ 6g_br37_2EObnI05ooTfY_JL0EHLfCa8lCK0- Received: from [69.248.128.143] by web39401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 04:08:18 PDT References: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 04:08:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: "schultejim@msn.com" , MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Death in MG family Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry to hear that. Dan D Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: "schultejim@msn.com" To: MG List Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 1:02 AM Subject: [Mgs] Death in MG family Folks, Fyi. Steve Hardings wife passed away on Saturday due to an undisclosed illness. Debbie has been Steve's sidekick since before they started the Philly MG Club back in the early 80's. Our deapest sympathy is extended to Steve and his family. Debbie was a kind and friendly person. She was loved by all who knew her. Jim Schulte Former Secretary PMGC Sent via the HTC Vividb", an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 06:10:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E25342D02C6 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 06:10:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm28.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm28.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 960B82C0D1C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 06:10:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.193] by nm28.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 12:13:01 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.168] by tm6.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 12:13:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1051.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 12:13:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 37030 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2012 12:13:01 -0000 s=s1024; t=1345464781; bh=4IS7djn+broSJO68jr2ViLDayyhyVxwnxk+5yrWwnK4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ov7Kgov6XALh5K5oLJ0hK6e8qHLDteli8LdX11dcDphKNlmVh0Y0kNwdE5WNfUxlA6RmB1NOlVzIdarf58T2Lx5kjajKT+P+3UZcHoMxnUuaiKcIAWKnSel7n9mIkoGAMyQZrLUJdTlk7IFPVBl7ZwnaC/t+RykcQtsm0MEJZIQ= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PXrAoW6a+aQ2qlR6joa/5mNKQOxTx44ToH6JClmtlagnFKuhS+S7BMUOEFBOghsGo9tarfkMGfRKlGaVlTOhf1Iudj175QfP5xnlcqZO20OCYpJsREsZjrHbmwgKxOnVkL2p90Nn7D/MeCUdom8X7vJDidvzSf0ErBB+La+FAwg=; EdpTgo4gQM1pkCEt_183HmYAjBA_g0JondBUbmem3KEwOAS_Fhi33r_ygvz. ya0.FLiyApURuWKUtkEJJ2k.tMI5AEGI66HJS_gJRo52v2C6_mANNehC3eRE ORAjC0oAHDxI.MjvLi5GGV4kagjljMrTP7EqTVsU9n5V5IcscyTwWXAOAkKi YmWzBqkSvIAWKyABUHFe9iuF8ig1aPsawcK_4YyhFnYL6EiistDPtWkWDlN6 uvhoTvpNnw6JR3YBpiMO4.VYUFyUP3LQbO41SNGDuRvPwleERHXrl0YcxNth HVT_OASxqJYvDl7AD_E82z2gTWC0RMxzskJ6vFw7YlV.H5GcAQ3S1QhTVSYU cPCbFWUgDznsu8oSmQE1S3gaYwl.ru8a.mSfJuwKBIaOBpAvuZhSIDjA1Pso jUOiJbAgM5Zljk0MopXDD4mv5K7FaaHugqP5QBE.m7tFS.VAZjV6WSCmcoNY RBq2Th.pAv8u7mSEtpigDchiZur.6h5LHWZQFXccA.kM1QrxbHFLeH8TVEAY I43roxb7W70xX.UrG2wacSf.z3wyCZXlyjIYZyMg- Received: from [69.248.128.143] by web39404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:13:01 PDT Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:13:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: MGB- Yahoo , MG List Subject: [Mgs] Back on 4 wheels.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Getting my '65 B ready to move to the other side of the garage..... Emptied it out of all of the stored crap and got the G78-14 bias play tires inflated.... http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1965%20MGB/IMG_6434.jpg http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1965%20MGB/IMG_6435.jpg http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1965%20MGB/IMG_6436.jpg The jacking points are much more solid than on my '76! Now to get a couple of neighborhood youths to help me roll it out and back into the other side.... Dan D '76 B Driver '65 B Project Central NJ USA _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 11:02:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93AAD2D0475 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:02:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493DA2D0376 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:02:07 -0600 (MDT) cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=kfTud4QeKxsA:10 a=Gg1LrHxYOAYA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=bap6Z_SGix0A:10 a=Y4smDxfCAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=ihfcAdHwNHx_p2LUlZwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=NLfql2RRv24TzcAVH4mgGQ==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [75.91.224.104] ([75.91.224.104:61902] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id F7/67-06055-0BFB3305; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:04:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:04:43 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: Dan DiBiase References: <1345464781.22307.YahooMailNeo@web39404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cc: MG List , MGB- Yahoo Subject: Re: [Mgs] Back on 4 wheels.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net What? You don't have any wheel dollies? CR On 8/20/2012 7:13 AM, Dan DiBiase wrote: > Getting my '65 B ready to move to the other side of the garage..... Emptied it out of all of the stored crap and got the G78-14 bias play > tires inflated.... > > http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1965%20MGB/IMG_6434.jpg > > > http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1965%20MGB/IMG_6435.jpg > > > http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1965%20MGB/IMG_6436.jpg > > The jacking points are much more solid than on my '76! > > Now to get a couple of neighborhood youths to help me roll it out and back into the other side.... > > Dan D > '76 B Driver > '65 B Project > Central NJ USA > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 15:07:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970E82D0307 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:07:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm29-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm29-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.248]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2CA832D02AE for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:07:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.188] by nm29.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2012 21:09:50 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.140] by tm1.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2012 21:09:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2012 21:09:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 30529 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2012 21:09:49 -0000 s=s1024; t=1345583389; bh=gzfPVSpFC7EEjT7HGFwe4C2aNFGfs1H1Jk/SaIQvufM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=V5h2557rCCkfnuJFbB7GmrMUcnasL1VNcJtky1GaworroOcfWVQMtGIUqk8n+0XgsFHn7nxsaNw/q3KfCPfU15WSUqiZTMjC2vo2HhPfYCDl83fmAQw7tgGlR8GQg3B6rr5FN1yOVqQbxUXN9PIwpUoHp3DTHVzi5MZhDbbuRhg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Oda5OqlxK2KLdxe8uSWUf6+xBPVS9BEEHMzQT7Xia0D88lxtHG8MPikmEGxczUTPbg2O8mG6OP4ltsfQx8oBcB6G2n7oeZuNyJC54jfep/hHM874yxHpJNBdYRMJ8XNmwqCQnpFVSanX1d70ucSUy5SnCYU/Z2OUvHw10yIMzk0=; _xSI0xtugX1M_2ekWpGFOJQeT26iAYZ19eoppAwJhgROjZ0Hf5GGggetBn5s s82.k9aLSsXpkAkoX7XCLAYb15Q.Mvj8g_y1BnM11DiTJcw0NJks03zDmaLs uTSEnw_sIJz9xLxtGHpNtB6U5n6z_wWl7ugDC2ZL7Ff5aHqDweZxkKMw5fuE BxRB2j9iaznXq52NI3qEVY5NHopevTwXs3J0eYJsF8bcc4xHadIOFhS54UZR m7x62FJnwAgWYqpSPqjzfqxxQrFJyqVOY9HHt.vethiQ.6O8X3RUEkOmv1AO hIYlfat09UMLToUsYbEMeAOh7BDqw9u410VsSi5evt9WY0NKEe2W96JhTAhD 9CAoEKML666QBOBiUfIxUxBPShfyagepUEYjeymNGjKIMhcPywVfQPK30c07 wNlXBtFd5LhPeieDtoYGUWRe95pbWQyrrZrHifF3IKIOulPsrCnYTy67NJ8q TCoy2_bwn4QbEo8xZGD7FClkMXrgvizGl1y52bpNNaMaYrxBn8Fb8Xx.ePCX TobwyDavD.TONMfjz3Tl8MNXVovX6JmJkxFkICHy256jUWXSYRjtV3O9rnIx rXqOUnLkwVpU.igapaMSIEUGoyTWlauBuLY50pWsYRYWklL2UDPYyolQlfwa WTBNucdBDENo.GQdIC3uy8QTtnil13GIBneqO3q5M6tGh7xjnCdHnY2rqrmv xNgwBelmBbFHlYyuJXNp67TZXaHHBnsHUI40hAMIsZJT.mxqPO9FQgE3_QDt 2eSWu6A74QavtpCMTfQ-- Received: from [69.248.128.143] by web39403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:09:49 PDT References: <1345464781.22307.YahooMailNeo@web39404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5033BFAB.6090208@ktc.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:09:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: "MG-MGB@yahoogroups.com" , MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Re: Back on 4 wheels.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Nope. Nor do I have an air compressor to inflate the tires. Dan D '76 B Driver '65 B Project Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Charley & Peggy Robinson To: Dan DiBiase Cc: MGB- Yahoo ; MG List Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 1:04 PM Subject: [MG-MGB] Re: [Mgs] Back on 4 wheels.... What? You don't have any wheel dollies? CR On 8/20/2012 7:13 AM, Dan DiBiase wrote: > Getting my '65 B ready to move to the other side of the garage..... Emptied it out of all of the stored crap and got the G78-14 bias play > tires inflated.... > > http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1965%20MGB/IMG_6434.jpg > > > http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1965%20MGB/IMG_6435.jpg > > > http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1965%20MGB/IMG_6436.jpg > > The jacking points are much more solid than on my '76! > > Now to get a couple of neighborhood youths to help me roll it out and back into the other side.... > > Dan D > '76 B Driver > '65 B Project > Central NJ USA > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 22 16:40:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08BA82D03B5 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:40:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E989F2D0275 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta006 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q7MMgfnx018942 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:42:43 -0700 Received: by dm0226.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 48303c64) id dm0226.5008c910.69ceba for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:42:39 -0700 From: "Chad" To: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:42:35 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac2AjTloI1RG8dJRTZK20AipL/pzowAAPVEQAAAk3FAABQ3eYAAAIw5gAATmkPA= Content-Language: en-us engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-08-22_04:2012-08-22,2012-08-22,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1208220239 Subject: [Mgs] 101 year old driver & her 81 year old car.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Great story especially the part about someone's relative having one and it not being the same car at all. I get that in the MG all the time. Enjoy, Chad Cooper '72 B roadster 101 Year-Old Woman Drives An 81 Year-Old Car: There is hope for us all.This video clip is priceless. Notice at the very end when she steps on a little red towel to get into the car so she won't dirty the running board, then picks it up and puts it in the car so she can use it when she gets out!An amazing lady, 101 years old driv ing an 81-year-old car and changes the oil and spark plugs herself! This is a hoot! Click Here: Two Classics, One Car.mp4 - You Tube _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 22 22:51:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B0D2D0323 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:51:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp04.online.nl (smtp04.online.nl [194.134.41.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A9C2D019A for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:51:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp04.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp04.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A675E212 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 06:54:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from BertsNieuwePC.vortexsoest.nl (s529cd08c.adsl.wanadoo.nl [82.156.208.140]) by smtp04.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 06:54:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 06:54:23 +0200 To: mgs@autox.team.net From: Bert Palte Subject: [Mgs] MGA picture, found on a bag of polishing cotton Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net /local/mailman/lynxXXXX2mu6zW: Permission denied _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 22 22:54:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9DF2D03B5 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:54:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A00A82D019A for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:54:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 4629 invoked by uid 0); 23 Aug 2012 04:56:59 -0000 Received: from 82.156.208.140 by www037.gmx.net with HTTP; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 06:56:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 06:56:57 +0200 From: "Bert Palte" To: mgs@autox.team.net 94D+QRdzHYPDV3qpavoJGOgertqAHz3E6cqw== Subject: [Mgs] MGA picture, found on a bag of polishing cotton Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net (Second attempt) Hi fellow listers, Yet another picture of an MGA, this time found on a bag of polishing cotton: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dtchbrt/7842686284/in/photostream Photographed at a Biltema store, at VC$sterC%s in Sweden. (In case this goes wrong ASCII-wise, that is Vasteras with two dots on the first A and a little circle on the second A) www.biltema.se No financial interest, yada, yad, yada... Greetings Bert _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 23 14:38:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457342C0D33 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:38:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbag.wi.net (mailbag.wi.net [209.225.111.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DFC2D04F2 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:34:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 173-149-90-35.pools.spcsdns.net ([173.149.90.35] helo=[192.168.1.102]) by mailbag.wi.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1T4e9D-0001oP-Vm for mgs@autox.team.net; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:37:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:36:55 -0500 From: dwoerpel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: MGs Subject: [Mgs] Coil mount Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi all, Anyone wish to get rid of a coil mounting bracket for a 1600 MGA? This is the piece that attaches to the engine mount. The coil and its strap bolt to it. Thanks, Dave W. Burlington WI _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 23 20:07:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0232D0335 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:07:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4465B2D0334 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vcbfl10 with SMTP id fl10so1932238vcb.14 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:09:48 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Tx8eHJHiqj+lhNXla3YU8utmcPh03/2+AecYKsbcYbo=; b=MHXnt50cDfow0N+sHGmPgrOuzGFBjv4rO+2M8A04vQN5GkYcx1UL5RuqABK3sewteF 4dAHMl3C/gsHLxPD8336SxHkmtQphPjUiuDqUg2KIm5M/xRwM+HKQ7jbgLpEkchRlLoj eCqhElCnUMZKcJdaCqjfQI50px7vdGEHW9Z1x1F4/nRxCppYLqSpOOHTVPza/BLvQvEC jdiNpaksuMSxHvpsb1FoIS8PgqmkaFzTm1KMDpuUhw+lmWFO3GLRLaje4FoySj9MpJPm 0shtrKTLB/ojM3GVP16FBLX01sR44lwCdN39B29XsCq/Rc8OTCIPleFdu59b4ewnk2xc 2yRQ== Received: by 10.52.66.162 with SMTP id g2mr2726112vdt.32.1345774188612; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.6.169 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:09:48 -0700 (PDT) References: <50369467.8020609@wi.net> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:09:48 -0700 From: Simon Matthews To: dwoerpel Cc: MGs Subject: Re: [Mgs] Coil mount Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On my '57 MGA, the coil is mounted on the generator, not the engine mount. Simon On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 1:36 PM, dwoerpel wrote: > Hi all, > > Anyone wish to get rid of a coil mounting bracket for a 1600 MGA? This is > the piece that attaches to the engine mount. The coil and its strap bolt > to it. > > Thanks, > > Dave W. > Burlington WI > ______________________________**_________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/mgs/simon.d.matthews@ > **gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 23 20:20:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31FF32D0395 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:20:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.db3net.net (mail.db3net.net [209.225.111.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7A32D02FC for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:16:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wm.wi.net (wm.evwi.net [209.225.111.205]) by mail.db3net.net (db3broadband.com) with ESMTP id 7E4FB11FB2D; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:05:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 173.149.90.35 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dwoerpel) by wm.wi.net with HTTP; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:19:36 -0500 (CDT) References: <50369467.8020609@wi.net> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:19:36 -0500 (CDT) From: dwoerpel@wi.net To: "Simon Matthews" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.13 Cc: MGs Subject: Re: [Mgs] Coil mount Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Yup, it was on all up to the 1600 and 1600 MkII. I'm contemplating using an alternator and want to use an original mounting position rather than drill more holes in the inner wing. Dave > On my '57 MGA, the coil is mounted on the generator, not the engine mount. > > Simon > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 1:36 PM, dwoerpel wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Anyone wish to get rid of a coil mounting bracket for a 1600 MGA? This >> is >> the piece that attaches to the engine mount. The coil and its strap >> bolt >> to it. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dave W. >> Burlington WI >> ______________________________**_________________ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 24 09:23:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 212E72D0424 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:23:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F592D01B5 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:23:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so5427492obh.14 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:25:50 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+6ROZo3nlJggHpsoWkHu1jhKH4AaQPLoNCMSNCmEUa8=; b=TjuE0WF6SwFxxZabNOKwTYqjzp/7mdC13QWHR+X9Un4xiN93hRU+v0BV35cqv0GDPU fP8oDL6TiP3Tb0FU/SBtNhLteVq+5n6gF4+kP+YsJXM2CpTfseMVrJzoYe8rPCoUhSKr 4nCzfjgkq29C78u06VN66h0ut3IK8OKncO9N/aWblis9VrFw3+HH4jJusOsHTmQF+V/E yN3JvkZYYGO414+OqY5zENdbmtpEp2M3O5xqOTqCZAslTjFwQwwYHTnVIRZV2TAUfN2S bOX4W/ip3ulhK2ir44YotoETQUwBG5SF1oK4kvac9o4sBXuXF2Cr9h5Tjfyv9Mgi/PiR 52EQ== Received: by 10.182.118.8 with SMTP id ki8mr4310248obb.79.1345821944821; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.90.39 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:25:44 -0500 From: Jack Feldman To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Instructions Needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Some years ago I bought a kit from VB that would allow me to remotely open and close the door locks on my MGB. I can't find the instructions. Anyone out there have the instructions? Jack _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 24 19:42:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2773C2D02D6 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:42:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.pure-chaos.com (ember.pure-chaos.com [66.18.15.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFEA02D024A for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:37:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.pure-chaos.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B8286027 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:40:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.pure-chaos.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ember.pure-chaos.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uyfP3w41Z6M4 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:40:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.5.54] (70-36-176-252.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [70.36.176.252]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: lrc.red4est) by mail.pure-chaos.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 67A5286006 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:40:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Larry Colen Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 18:40:26 -0700 To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] Pilot bushing for a ford tranny on an MGB? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net After far too many years, I've finally gotten through enough of the other todo lists to start work on putting my MGBGT back on the road. I'm trying to go through the boxes and piles of parts and figure out what I need, what is lost and so forth. It seems that one of the missing items is the pilot bushing for the Ford 5-speed conversion. Does anyone off hand know of a good source of a replacement? or the dimensions in case I need to fab one? On the off chance that anyone is within driving distance of the Santa Cruz mountains and would find it entertaining to go through a ridiculous amount of spares for MGBs (and Miatas), and possibly pick up some good deals on parts I don't need for the project, I could use some help in the process of picking and sorting, especially since a few months back I got a call from a friend who desperately needed to clear out of his storage locker the next day and had a small truckload of MGB parts that he needed to find a home for lest he have to throw them out. -- Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com sent from i4est _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 24 20:45:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B0752D02C2 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:45:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.pure-chaos.com (ember.pure-chaos.com [66.18.15.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26812D024A for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:39:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.pure-chaos.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3202086027 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:42:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.pure-chaos.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ember.pure-chaos.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c-vVreKCtJ+K; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:42:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.5.54] (70-36-176-252.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [70.36.176.252]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: lrc.red4est) by mail.pure-chaos.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2BA6686006; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:42:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Larry Colen Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:42:20 -0700 References: <0C24E1D9-4584-4422-9927-9E1290AE179C@red4est.com> To: Larry Colen Cc: MG List Subject: [Mgs] Is this the Pilot bushing for a ford tranny on an MGB? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net An hour after I gave up looking for it, and posted that I was looking for one, I may have found it. It seems to fit in all the critical dimensions: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631231104590/ How much space should there be between the shaft and the pilot bushing? On Aug 24, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > After far too many years, I've finally gotten through enough of the other todo > lists to start work on putting my MGBGT back on the road. I'm trying to go > through the boxes and piles of parts and figure out what I need, what is lost > and so forth. It seems that one of the missing items is the pilot bushing for > the Ford 5-speed conversion. Does anyone off hand know of a good source of a > replacement? or the dimensions in case I need to fab one? > > On the off chance that anyone is within driving distance of the Santa Cruz > mountains and would find it entertaining to go through a ridiculous amount of > spares for MGBs (and Miatas), and possibly pick up some good deals on parts I > don't need for the project, I could use some help in the process of picking > and sorting, especially since a few months back I got a call from a friend who > desperately needed to clear out of his storage locker the next day and had a > small truckload of MGB parts that he needed to find a home for lest he have to > throw them out. > -- Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com sent from i4est _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 24 22:50:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0652D0390 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 22:50:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi157.prodigy.net (nlpi157.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 063222D0218 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 22:41:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-75-5-67-243.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [75.5.67.243]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi157.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q7P4i3g2031346; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 23:44:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 23:43:55 -0500 To: Larry Colen From: Barney Gaylord References: <0C24E1D9-4584-4422-9927-9E1290AE179C@red4est.com> Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Is this the Pilot bushing for a ford tranny on an MGB? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net 0.002 inch diametrical clearance. At 07:42 PM 8/24/2012 -0700, Larry Colen wrote: >An hour after I gave up looking for it, and posted that I was looking for one, >I may have found it. It seems to fit in all the critical dimensions: > >http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631231104590/ > >How much space should there be between the shaft and the pilot bushing? >.... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 25 11:05:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8EE2D016E for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:05:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E88932C0BD4 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 10:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id r2pr1j0041c6gX8534woNr; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:56:48 +0000 Received: from stargate ([67.167.187.93]) by omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id r4wP1j00N21LTYK3j4wPBy; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:56:24 +0000 From: "gordies garage" To: "Larry Colen" References: <0C24E1D9-4584-4422-9927-9E1290AE179C@red4est.com> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 12:56:50 -0400 Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Is this the Pilot bushing for a ford tranny on an MGB? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That pic does look like the bushing adapter for the Sierra 5 sp. I've installed a couple of them. gordie '62 MGA -------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry Colen" Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:42 PM To: "Larry Colen" Cc: "MG List" Subject: [Mgs] Is this the Pilot bushing for a ford tranny on an MGB? > An hour after I gave up looking for it, and posted that I was looking for > one, > I may have found it. It seems to fit in all the critical dimensions: > > http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631231104590/ > > How much space should there be between the shaft and the pilot bushing? > On Aug 24, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > >> After far too many years, I've finally gotten through enough of the other > todo >> lists to start work on putting my MGBGT back on the road. I'm trying to >> go >> through the boxes and piles of parts and figure out what I need, what is > lost >> and so forth. It seems that one of the missing items is the pilot >> bushing > for >> the Ford 5-speed conversion. Does anyone off hand know of a good source >> of > a >> replacement? or the dimensions in case I need to fab one? >> >> On the off chance that anyone is within driving distance of the Santa >> Cruz >> mountains and would find it entertaining to go through a ridiculous >> amount > of >> spares for MGBs (and Miatas), and possibly pick up some good deals on >> parts > I >> don't need for the project, I could use some help in the process of >> picking >> and sorting, especially since a few months back I got a call from a >> friend > who >> desperately needed to clear out of his storage locker the next day and >> had > a >> small truckload of MGB parts that he needed to find a home for lest he >> have > to >> throw them out. >> > > -- > Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com sent from i4est > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mg_garage@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 25 11:20:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C912D04E7 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:20:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CE7CA2C094D for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:19:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.56] by nm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2012 17:21:47 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.221] by tm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2012 17:21:47 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.114] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2012 17:21:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2012 17:21:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 6566 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2012 17:21:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; b=b2/YCJJSs5Tj6wbOLQgNHmjiZEoJtfUrD9eq0t0PmAlqcwtGXqz6WK/KrFwldkZPBLTvSzf6mnKTo3nFJlOR+VfBBJKVUEXxnHsKph/bJh4N0j4kjYEnBjYP4fFw/pUk22pDMyxrWA1LauNZBeXpwb++jij4FrI+SutBv3pztyo= ; s=s1024; t=1345915307; bh=ri4/lsSfeSAw/RF78vJKL0/qy7ko6soxpqTC73DJI10=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=uUlAf3M32V1JHBIhjJ5l5Q6uwEJCXQcDvkW1NBO4C4yA9XtscRsRmo///Wyv8aq3o+aLSHpsP0u4NyItOC+qX7oA0YKi2+t6JIjNjrceJnzE3u18jiXXW0wVavjguhbklBRl/tYFdt51MjRh9wkmtOwPi/U8zSXcqoS4tQo4gvQ= ytkcBaD4K1.oCRWOWiPNYO8yM9Gxoof1z3VIAdpRJi2gc3oMxzmEa63u7wbg tVWnwUsX7gtEjktqPZq.WfDpxQm3W8u00QDvZDj38eKo.Y2s_PolSPhJiggy 7HcEta1x2nBGIqWAG1C_u89VF8_ThwMp9j.SsxUFajWuNj3S0vZ7mvRKiJIC MA4kAD4EgUVflMUVhdZkfokokgAoDJVNY0t0fXxw5dtDRCGm9SVsLUzT2b6d 4fMNLWejFrtbfzrUiqGd3uIM_b2EqNLV7xNsPSIUYD7.pyvB2ETboqF3uWN2 chlzrGD7rApJGtWME880mpi59rLwns0iIB7gRp_2b00VML0EK_Mmc_F9R0zj kuOD4ScOzVPkbcX4JUKGN0w5bQQ3DqxVm.ERJBv58GsbSSY19uuaLUBSOtCh A Received: from DavidPC (60mgaman@75.134.122.226 with login) by smtp114.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2012 10:21:47 -0700 PDT From: "David Ress" <60mgaman@sbcglobal.net> To: "'Larry Colen'" , "'MG List'" References: <0C24E1D9-4584-4422-9927-9E1290AE179C@red4est.com> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:21:51 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2CY0vgK6tVycM1SzaAfV6Awny8lwAgqB6A Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] Pilot bushing for a ford tranny on an MGB? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thinking about a 5 speed conversion as well, can you point me in the right direction and or provide guidance? 70 MGBGT w/original motor. Thanks in advance David -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:40 PM To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] Pilot bushing for a ford tranny on an MGB? After far too many years, I've finally gotten through enough of the other todo lists to start work on putting my MGBGT back on the road. I'm trying to go through the boxes and piles of parts and figure out what I need, what is lost and so forth. It seems that one of the missing items is the pilot bushing for the Ford 5-speed conversion. Does anyone off hand know of a good source of a replacement? or the dimensions in case I need to fab one? On the off chance that anyone is within driving distance of the Santa Cruz mountains and would find it entertaining to go through a ridiculous amount of spares for MGBs (and Miatas), and possibly pick up some good deals on parts I don't need for the project, I could use some help in the process of picking and sorting, especially since a few months back I got a call from a friend who desperately needed to clear out of his storage locker the next day and had a small truckload of MGB parts that he needed to find a home for lest he have to throw them out. -- Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com sent from i4est _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/60mgaman@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 25 17:50:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EEE92D0137 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 17:50:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp450.redcondor.net (smtp450.redcondor.net [208.80.204.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 053422C0D45 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 17:41:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgp.netins.net ([167.142.228.73]) by smtp450.redcondor.net ({4ad064a1-3618-4418-b4ee-963987bff397}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20120825234358577; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 23:43:58 +0000 Received: from [208.126.78.151] (account riverside@southslope.net HELO rileyPC) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.13) with ESMTPA id 389753762; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:43:52 -0500 From: To: , "Simon Matthews" References: <50369467.8020609@wi.net> <47425.173.149.90.35.1345774776.squirrel@wm.wi.net> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:43:46 -0500 Cc: MGs Subject: Re: [Mgs] Coil mount Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The engine mount coil bracket works very well with an alternator if you trim the vertical lip and place it under the frame mount to avoid interfering with alternator adjustment. Sorry but I do not have a spare on hand. Ron -----Original Message----- From: dwoerpel@wi.net Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:19 PM To: Simon Matthews Cc: MGs Subject: Re: [Mgs] Coil mount Yup, it was on all up to the 1600 and 1600 MkII. I'm contemplating using an alternator and want to use an original mounting position rather than drill more holes in the inner wing. Dave > On my '57 MGA, the coil is mounted on the generator, not the engine mount. > > Simon > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 1:36 PM, dwoerpel wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Anyone wish to get rid of a coil mounting bracket for a 1600 MGA? This >> is >> the piece that attaches to the engine mount. The coil and its strap >> bolt >> to it. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dave W. >> Burlington WI >> ______________________________**_________________ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/riverside@southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5220 - Release Date: 08/23/12 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 26 06:54:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349132C0D34 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 06:54:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm27-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.188]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D5352C0BD4 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 06:54:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.103] by nm27.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2012 12:56:50 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.66] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2012 12:56:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2012 12:56:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 83049 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Aug 2012 12:56:49 -0000 s=s1024; t=1345985809; bh=4Y+R7JJeA8n9RW63uSttfGd6OE91hxZotBamXoxDZC0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=btPhvdainpSgeU5WZSxwWF597YTqP8b+OLjnTeRbUH6skK6t+G7qtYPM8Nqffd3Lr2N4HQrijRvrbG+i+H9mccrBbUvM/9/+gKly3DtBHtP8KE2cS979TkxzGJ0NUF6mExgXmLdj0kVthIj3a4kAJc2JubwP6qeuqUh9fdyNVv8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AuTcJzfb+ypdO3KeGn9kG7kmZx6F8EwEnWlvWz3QrizEiBWIsij5kSZUCVeFzPeXY4ACfk56WUyqek8LFRCJpdhJAVpq1g0a7miT0s1EiTBEEbRjgaEZ3iv4l9sE7OYsLekmHu9P+EkzqiB7CiQK8dC5TliArrne5nryqiaQ65o=; 1IDMJCcDNJd.PIa83G4husnv_cN8pjGPkass7pY.KL8EifZfI8QYmJeAkP7L oduZjigPb7W2TRgC18SoMP9wMfmM7wwXsEtHU6Srh59XCtsZ9eZkGJfjNxcH EiJIigtFib_tslPPezLpn59mJ14FPH8O4wWMOnlyTTvpjaLzr3wVNOZdtosa 7C3DaD5CFv6YFEV7MBA3sPLrt78ueMI73e2ytjafzhIHb9Qdw4jP25cf3mh3 G_O9kOgdxoBv98RIC8W9eESl.zxmaqMUJ1HaaMHBw5Nv3r1x6R4QpVvPMWtm .8avNMGJs3d6uDyVc7SMrthQHkbxnJJAHWIquyOG6wXhh_Bd27JOSHqpi.h3 zISyFcAcnWx4eif7p4UJeyC68J_rPWfBh2GuMdI.nOLKenlFl8NR9dERrOvA fKeCPKAoTlCmtzzB00iUr Received: from [67.66.200.136] by web185002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 05:56:49 PDT Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 05:56:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Lindsay To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] wx changing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends, Long time, no type. No longer owning an MG keeps me pretty quiet these days. Still, after the first of the year I may be helping a friend rebuild/restore his Midget. That should be fun. Just putting the metric tools away will be a treat. :-P If you will allow an off-marque comment or two I'll tell you my near-field plans. We've had a couple of days where the mercury has avoided the 90s and that has me thinking about the TR3. As any of you living in the deep south know, our open sports cars are often more enjoyable on dry winter days than on unbearably hot, sun drenched summer days. That is certainly the case here in Houston, Texas. And I have lived here long enough now that a couple of cooler days has me thinking about open motoring. Problem is that my TR3 has a dead fuel pump. Well, that and the fact that it is a Triumph. :-P The weather has discouraged me from changing the pump but now I find myself pondering the job. Parts are already in hand but today is already booked. Next weekend (almost) for sure! What are your plans / projects? I miss you guys... -rick, in sunny Houston _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 26 10:01:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080C52C0D39 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 10:01:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from zeta.look.ca (zeta.look.ca [216.66.192.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAEBB2C0D28 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 09:59:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lns4-pool-d842b99b.dsl.look.ca ([216.66.185.155] helo=tower.look.ca) by zeta.look.ca with esmtpa (user simplyyoga@look.ca)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T5fIO-0000eN-FN; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 12:02:40 -0400 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 12:02:38 -0400 To: Rick Lindsay ,mgs@autox.team.net From: Barrie Robinson .yahoo.com> References: <1345985809.74451.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web185002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] wx changing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hey hey - don't knock Triumphs. I raced a TR2 back in the days when they were all the rage. I used to embarrass those trucks called "XK120" which I could not have done in the car I traded in for the TR - an MG TD !! Even though I have an MGB GT V8 I long for the TR2 or TR3 (which I had later). I mean how many cars can you pick up road kill without stopping and just hanging your arm down to the ground ??? At 05:56 AM 8/26/2012 -0700, Rick Lindsay wrote: >Hi Friends, > >Long time, no type. No longer owning an MG keeps me pretty quiet these days. >Still, after the first of the year I may be helping a friend rebuild/restore >his Midget. That should be fun. Just putting the metric tools away will be a >treat. :-P > >If you will allow an off-marque comment or two I'll tell you my near-field >plans. > >We've had a couple of days where the mercury has avoided the 90s and that has >me thinking about the TR3. As any of you living in the deep south know, our >open sports cars are often more enjoyable on dry winter days than on >unbearably hot, sun drenched summer days. That is certainly the case here in >Houston, Texas. And I have lived here long enough now that a couple of cooler >days has me thinking about open motoring. Problem is that my TR3 has a dead >fuel pump. Well, that and the fact that it is a Triumph. :-P > >The weather has discouraged me from changing the pump but now I find myself >pondering the job. Parts are already in hand but today is already booked. > Next weekend (almost) for sure! > >What are your plans / projects? I miss you guys... > >-rick, in sunny Houston >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca Regards Barrie barrie@look.ca 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 26 10:33:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C87AF2C0D4D for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 10:33:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.db3net.net (mail.db3net.net [209.225.111.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 333F42C0D1D for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 10:33:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wm.wi.net (wm.evwi.net [209.225.111.205]) by mail.db3net.net (db3broadband.com) with ESMTP id 6CD6F11FAF6; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:21:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 173.123.233.9 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dwoerpel) by wm.wi.net with HTTP; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:35:51 -0500 (CDT) References: <1345985809.74451.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web185002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:35:51 -0500 (CDT) From: dwoerpel@wi.net To: "Barrie Robinson" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.13 Cc: mgs@autox.team.net, Rick Lindsay Subject: Re: [Mgs] wx changing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Glad to hear from you again Rick! Just putting in new carpet in the MGA and having a devil of a time trying to get the cut just right around the diagonal frame brace and the sill. Barrie, I'm ROTFLing as my college buddy had and still has a Morgan +4. We hit a pheasant, did a "U" turn, and i grabbed it from the passenger seat w/o opening the door, did another "Bat-turn" and proceeded to his place where the bird, not severely disfigured, was duly dressed and had for dinner! Can't do that in my Bugeye. Thanks for the memories. Dave W. > Hey hey - don't knock Triumphs. I raced a TR2 back in the days when > they were all the rage. I used to embarrass those trucks called > "XK120" which I could not have done in the car I traded in for the TR > - an MG TD !! Even though I have an MGB GT V8 I long for the TR2 or > TR3 (which I had later). I mean how many cars can you pick up road > kill without stopping and just hanging your arm down to the ground ??? > > > At 05:56 AM 8/26/2012 -0700, Rick Lindsay wrote: >>Hi Friends, >> >>Long time, no type. No longer owning an MG keeps me pretty quiet these >> days. >>Still, after the first of the year I may be helping a friend >> rebuild/restore >>his Midget. That should be fun. Just putting the metric tools away will >> be a >>treat. :-P >> >>If you will allow an off-marque comment or two I'll tell you my >> near-field >>plans. >> >>We've had a couple of days where the mercury has avoided the 90s and that >> has >>me thinking about the TR3. As any of you living in the deep south know, >> our >>open sports cars are often more enjoyable on dry winter days than on >>unbearably hot, sun drenched summer days. That is certainly the case >> here in >>Houston, Texas. And I have lived here long enough now that a couple of >> cooler >>days has me thinking about open motoring. Problem is that my TR3 has a >> dead >>fuel pump. Well, that and the fact that it is a Triumph. :-P >> >>The weather has discouraged me from changing the pump but now I find >> myself >>pondering the job. Parts are already in hand but today is already >> booked. >> Next weekend (almost) for sure! >> >>What are your plans / projects? I miss you guys... >> >>-rick, in sunny Houston >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Mgs@autox.team.net >>Donate: >>Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca > > Regards > > Barrie > barrie@look.ca > 705-721-9060 > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dwoerpel@wi.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 26 16:32:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1492D01FC for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:32:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm4-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0BBAF2C0D1C for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:26:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2012 22:29:26 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.169] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2012 22:29:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1070.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2012 22:29:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 14805 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Aug 2012 22:29:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1346020166; bh=V16GjA88DuEhvcAjXm7R6DqnSnYqFdDXB4Ood4z1vB0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CJUQ8TozoZLGY/yuOWBxQGttK0VwkhViPUKJDVoCNEFaPxQM+j9cx2m9PH9mizuhz9UTvRCeYDwxaK/5n4+sV/su8NhgOcAUmh/id0dwQP/KHDMgeWXkF08akxAXBoK9i7WdIqrrqxNKKwyWSao6CrNuNCL0wuVViJFE3CaHc9Q= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EZ6p7PC8ZeSIdBzzsDBwp2ZxZIsSqZzDuq8c/SUIQxLIhIWOfullcMX7GilvFbtHCtIOH3jzr+4sZi+ZXSZLebQHtmVFW/YCSBRZelTkLGv/XkWmUhWcgPA7/W/tRvEVZmeV/LW0FCLN7H6ZI3JDK5Npb29Qjz07qLbnOPtGHcc=; aNd2xImsAsATgqMwLvUEcE4lQGmzxK8cy9EJw9TWRajMh3HEDC8nATDSFJcM 1yaiMz3GOHmLBdK_Ae5oU1XIX7JlPfuZsIhSNgeyRNbmeczI90jXncMtuPYP 05jD8GEUQCT7PJegHny67s_Jaz1AUBZsCAMEV1uMwQXXmrdgBHB4HAgh5LcI mt_yJPblAri2KCzQqXBd3hneoUTW5jSPrd1fR9d93MrWoP7PxiUVD0Xp1F6b 6QwuyGu1in_60pAHG0JtMtdhhx81ZA_Lh7ur7PcYz10RBPW0jFjK2JH5D.M4 svK.sHLMZTxKcCUqawt4RuyCC4uFFh3P4AWpvho_GaM5Wz702PYvsmxTpo9d jyxm284b4TEIhFzE.xHcQ2P4QNmcfvXzPz_dRYHVFE0PZcnAXsnWMs.ttSFp WKHMVI.XLFh22tCavNgt3jAZpJJjo92J_BXEoBB12u8QAMqmPtp_sX4MsKgM AIVLfhmaLFBu1U1ESF_gvACxPaJBQ2pgwvIZuil8KZ6wdg8krVDaVRC8.OW8 S6i_mG9nsYhp5fZRb39vCU6UhZ.LFDu9VLOpHuLmKmWhH Received: from [69.248.128.143] by web39406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:29:26 PDT Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:29:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: MGB- Yahoo , MG List Subject: [Mgs] Back in the Saddle Again.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Well, I picked up the '76 B from the shop yesterday and had an uneventful (besides the rain) 50-mile drive home... Car runs great, pulls strongly and brakes well, all good things! It felt great to do some errands in it today.... http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/MG/?action=view¤t=IMG_6445.mp4 http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/MG/IMG_6452.jpg http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/MG/Garage.jpg As you can see, I also got the '65 switched over to the 'working' side of the garage this afternoon, so I can get back to work on it for a few months until the cold weather chases me out of the garage. All in all, a very good week-end! Dan D '76 B Driver - yes, really! '65 B Project Central NJ USA _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 26 17:38:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EDFE2D01FA for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:38:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CE62C0D35 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:37:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rWAw1j00427AodY51bgflL; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 23:40:39 +0000 Received: from sz0052.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rbgu1j00L2xV5no3fbguCn; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 23:40:54 +0000 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 23:40:35 +0000 (UTC) From: dontoy@comcast.net To: mgs@autox.team.net (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Subject: [Mgs] Charging Problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Dear Sages of the List, (Lawrie Alexander) Ever since I followed detailed instructions about going from a positive ground to a negative ground in my TF the ammeter has been showing a discharge. Yes, I did reverse the wires on the back of the ammeter. All was good prior to the switch. It seems to be holding it's own while just the engine is running. As soon as I turn on the headlights I show a fair discharge. I would love to use a multimeter to check the generator output prior to taking it out. I do have a multimeter but so many placesB (6) to plug in the probesB on the multimeter. and so many settings on the dial. I get somewhat cornfused. Any help out there. Any troubleshooting advice would be very much appreciated.B Donald J. Toy "all great men are dead...and I'm not feeling well" _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 27 02:09:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342462D0206 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 02:09:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD122C0CAE for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 02:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so1449663eek.14 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 01:11:49 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=eo/5svTymVPO0P/ypQnzViJpPsGRlYVqNwYQuU614iY=; b=UYRFg/yfVKprLOtWOZOrzenVK2WFuxoxTl3vMm4aS/yMgSihVNj2ZY3pkOAx0D6EZB 1iRQJihOVEHLLODuYlQXwpvu2iZNQM2OZd46hYz1+0fTTrA38mjabh4NaYjFIEAVSSAG CY/od4k9AAzUcZ7vlrKUns7FULOBAbA+wc9LiuVbsO7eKcx4PYh2Avtk1cE7vvNqQ+z7 orbStcAvlr5ToM+7ZEnhuXQ0ZhD0HplX5IqiieCRZ8PsJfal37pAo+/2SJgWEWeUgTba SX67ZGjD0Mmxc5Dwt7H6CDHtL1pd6jmBKmy3rrw7fcBDAtB9yjp9/ttXFoJMqOIzYjaT sPug== Received: by 10.14.223.9 with SMTP id u9mr1519420eep.10.1346055109622; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 01:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 45sm50094506eeb.8.2012.08.27.01.11.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 27 Aug 2012 01:11:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: , References: <1008964424.1025789.1346024435857.JavaMail.root@sz0052a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:50:44 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Charging Problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Did you repolarise the dynamo? If it is *always* showing a discharge, i.e. when it is running as well as when you turn the lights on with the engine stopped, then it isn't charging. As to 'holding it's own' you do need to connect a voltmeter to see if it is charging at all, although unless it shows a strong charge immediately after cranking and starting then again it probably isn't charging. As far as your multimeter goes we don't know what you have, so RTFM :o) PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Ever since I followed detailed instructions about going from a positive > ground > to a negative ground in my TF the ammeter has been showing a discharge. > Yes, I > did reverse the wires on the back of the ammeter. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 27 08:06:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677D42D01C1 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:06:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0ADA22C0D4D for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:58:01 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1346076046; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=jAHxyza6rxDVl1DiX+xy4Jp+SQGeyFtl7JHeFI6afVaWfZ9ldjneU8lIttVXugAsB pJOZGyuHIyTpnQsxDYRP6paklDOwFNGOuvKzc0smQhNF2SYIrmaQK3gA/1d5KHFajV 5bw7ajI+QLOvjFGw965hHDaJDmeA6D0wAuoEWy4k= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.103]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJDY9MQAJVZB6S for (sender ); Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:00:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mgbob@juno.com) by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id SG6U58EZ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 06:59:38 PDT Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:59:00 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:59:00 GMT To: dontoy@comcast.net Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Charging Problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net You wrote that all was good before changing the polarity. Did you mean that the dynamo was charging as it should, then, but not now? If it worked properly then, and you sparked/polarised it, then it should b ok now. I suspect the control box. Clean its points and see if the problem is solved. There are many designs for multimeters. Set yous up for DC, and use a range that is greater than 15V, 0-20 scale would be better, if your meter has it. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: dontoy@comcast.net To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Charging Problems Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 23:40:35 +0000 (UTC) Dear Sages of the List, (Lawrie Alexander) Ever since I followed detailed instructions about going from a positive ground to a negative ground in my TF the ammeter has been showing a discharge. Yes, I did reverse the wires on the back of the ammeter. All was good prior to the switch. It seems to be holding it's own while just the engine is running. As soon as I turn on the headlights I show a fair discharge. I would love to use a multimeter to check the generator output prior to taking it out. I do have a multimeter but so many placesB (6) to plug in the probesB on the multimeter. and so many settings on the dial. I get somewhat cornfused. Any help out there. Any troubleshooting advice would be very much appreciated.B Donald J. Toy "all great men are dead...and I'm not feeling well" _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 27 11:15:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9032D01EC for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:15:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E1B2C0D18 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:07:35 -0600 (MDT) a=LfXEknhwUSklrTJykD/pXw==:17 a=PxuUwoQYziwA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Go1e_aOZ1_cA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=vbdJU1GeXkSCCo2w9SUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=LfXEknhwUSklrTJykD/pXw==:117 Received: from [72.185.240.214] ([72.185.240.214:49410] helo=[172.16.0.4]) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 9D/9D-22347-DF9AB305; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 17:10:21 +0000 From: "W. David Houser" Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:10:20 -0400 To: MGList List Subject: [Mgs] 67 BGT steering wheel play Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Listers, Noticed that I am able to move the steering wheel up and down about 1/16" in my 67 BGT while trying to fix my horns. Took off the black covers over the turn signal switch and see the problem. The movement is right at the top of the column behind the self canceling arms. Has anyone else replaced that upper nylon bearing(#24 in Moss catalog)? I know the wheel must come off, anything else? The horn problem, incidentally, is caused by there being no ground at the column itself. I plan to ground a wire from the steering column clamp to a body ground under the dash for a repair. Horns checked out and they work. TIA, _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 27 12:44:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DA52D01D4 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 12:44:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.pure-chaos.com (ember.pure-chaos.com [66.18.15.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5002C0BA4 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 12:33:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.pure-chaos.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF93B8604C for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:36:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.pure-chaos.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ember.pure-chaos.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wF1QS5OAqYDg for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:36:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.5.54] (70-36-176-252.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [70.36.176.252]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: lrc.red4est) by mail.pure-chaos.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8EE5086047 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:36:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Larry Colen Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:36:23 -0700 To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] Getting a start on sorting those parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I spent yesterday taking the parts off the shelves, replacing the particle board shelves and started photographing the parts as I put them away. I made decent progress on the project, and have at least gotten most of the "big parts" that were on those shelves. Here are the extra parts so far: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631274332080/ -- Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com sent from i4est _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 27 13:07:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C11762C0CB4 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:07:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B29A42C0453 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 12:53:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from frankdcczr6l6k ([unknown] [100.40.63.105]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M9F00JVNGLJHM5W@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:56:08 -0500 (CDT) From: To: "Larry Colen" References: <69DC2ED3-9F94-4C21-B1F8-E3D49DF31FBF@red4est.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 14:56:11 -0400 Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Getting a start on sorting those parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Is that all? Consider yourself lucky if that's all you have! My spare parts consist of the entire second floor of my shop and most of the first florr not occupied by my MGs stored there with my Triumph Bonneville. The rest is outside my shop under a tarp! Frank Krajewski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Colen" To: "MG List" Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:36 PM Subject: [Mgs] Getting a start on sorting those parts >I spent yesterday taking the parts off the shelves, replacing the particle > board shelves and started photographing the parts as I put them away. I > made > decent progress on the project, and have at least gotten most of the "big > parts" that were on those shelves. > > > --> _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 27 17:20:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3EF02D0214 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 17:20:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm21.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm21.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 179EC2C0D16 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 17:00:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.192] by nm21.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 23:02:55 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.181] by tm5.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 23:02:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1064.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 23:02:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 3044 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2012 23:02:54 -0000 s=s1024; t=1346108574; bh=IB9GqBWhcOXQji7h8wjMKkoTpoTW5Y6rncxPdHdqTGw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=N6zCCe01fM6MJJ1djDFaDGrtk6cqTfCTagAhnuC/798Cb3W//zZiK2uy71Of7sXJItLhvkDx4TTFcFCiPBPiOWWcraGx9MEkpQ4eOC8Ilp4uYKmqtf2Vpohmu1pIBhgzvZ2GbLHp2hOu+8QZRAB1rYqpeXEINsgVl58QcCQLWw0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Np44cM5oQP0vhT4y19HeWsMvx6CkZ2/m+yPvAqEDo2cs0beFxt7J458H7CmWGawrML+kn2GagBDOUYxTa3QS6UmcH0ZzjjB/FFVESEz8Z3l6j4maPRcK8zvwWCTeUuhyYr6YwSgqPJc75qnBj0G13Y+K6SfYS421r36liI77gmU=; yVe4D4PPRMi_put25gXimV1brmMJv1UiwAKJWagUv9YRWL1PrOq4DXo9qGC3 R1UmA5uW3ZHVnOohtcTAmyoG1qYpmLd9DkGz0vYnPPbB4HYIfGRAXnA.Ij1P A1XRepBr6_wnviPshxSxdecue38tL.9Syia0832vkGCme6s51FdzD1R.YnEN I9sxGjdTUHLz.NOgdj8xArE0fWZZO7dHLQdhiNH9UU0Gb.Xr877TH5I2eUQq 9NWHad55OlshKlVR6lT9DElSHP1_iaCBsr6Xev2tUS23npSUeKHX6lZIeIUf fLRAwEEwUX3XUcdbumxBgVKxXwy46OsM2vS6aws0pasZPJs0odGbB7bIROQq 6CaTuFsGLY27h9FIEVNxlOaIVKp0F_vN3yA4MaVwyTNrIfdq1GmZkgstMu46 vnH4uKM4xbjpUkf4Flom8mEWnvMbiKi.a3ApVo.mP2JPknzfw6W3H6i7i Received: from [69.248.128.143] by web39401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 16:02:54 PDT References: <1345985809.74451.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web185002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 16:02:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Rick Lindsay , "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] wx changing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hey, Rick, good to hear from you... As you might have seen, I have recently got my '76B resuscitated with some help from Pete Cosmides at the Motorcar Garage... I do need to do a couple of things to it - the steering wheel is slightly off-kilter (probably from when I removed/ replaced the rack a couple of years ago when changing the engine mounts). It kinda drives me crazy. Also, the front end really needs new bushings. And I'd sorta like to get rid of the generic 'cube' fuel pump and replace it with an OEM-style. But really, I want to get back to the '65 project car. Just need to sit and ponder where I am and where I'm going with it. It's basically stripped except for engine/trans, brake lines and wiring. Dan D '76 B Driver - yeah! '65 B Project Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Rick Lindsay To: mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 8:56 AM Subject: [Mgs] wx changing Hi Friends, Long time, no type. No longer owning an MG keeps me pretty quiet these days. Still, after the first of the year I may be helping a friend rebuild/restore his Midget. That should be fun. Just putting the metric tools away will be a treat. :-P If you will allow an off-marque comment or two I'll tell you my near-field plans. We've had a couple of days where the mercury has avoided the 90s and that has me thinking about the TR3. As any of you living in the deep south know, our open sports cars are often more enjoyable on dry winter days than on unbearably hot, sun drenched summer days. That is certainly the case here in Houston, Texas. And I have lived here long enough now that a couple of cooler days has me thinking about open motoring. Problem is that my TR3 has a dead fuel pump. Well, that and the fact that it is a Triumph. :-P The weather has discouraged me from changing the pump but now I find myself pondering the job. Parts are already in hand but today is already booked. Next weekend (almost) for sure! What are your plans / projects? I miss you guys... -rick, in sunny Houston _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 27 18:24:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 641832D0283 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:24:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900CC2D0214 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:07:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-98.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.98]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q7S0A0eU025493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 17:10:02 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.32.0.111121 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 16:55:52 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Getting a start on sorting those parts Thread-Index: Ac2Er31NxzrnXTbKAEeLrGB+jijOPw== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Getting a start on sorting those parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Find any rebuildable HS-4s in that pile? I see you have enough Lucas distributors to black out the west coast. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 8/27/12 11:36 AM, Larry Colen at lrc@red4est.com wrote: > I spent yesterday taking the parts off the shelves, replacing the particle > board shelves and started photographing the parts as I put them away. I made > decent progress on the project, and have at least gotten most of the "big > parts" that were on those shelves. > > Here are the extra parts so far: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631274332080/ > > -- > Larry Colen lrc@red4est.com sent from i4est _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 28 01:47:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737382D026E for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 01:47:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D224B2D01C9 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 01:47:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so1936929eek.14 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 00:50:19 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=vtm0T2GWOpLMrueDbWSP9HSS/lE9PiJqajx5xKyBzKg=; b=f3ZUTZLZqR8miAa815FWKaOCLOjJLzG8veIigSlajWHkA2s0gImr2pPmcOCACfDf3n +sq4h9QtckKOwI5in2nTupdqxOg8C8/uOpu3+akknyrHZoMbKEFEn5JUNELaK3R9ymkL ODU7GOEpmWRdKkb84e2gAirp4vItz403Nk7LwGtghS1+EQehHRWNlKZo8w+cXHXPJ5pH NMra4z46waq6vb8RJS8RByEiEDEtzGcEaKMXLxYiVMkZKaf3mtRIQImh1sYNdpi34euD YhzBUGlVmG18WFsjVZ6Az31vIqunePtELAskurYdkdOrtwPL3r30xBCZbWe3B+bWsCtW E4Qg== Received: by 10.14.223.9 with SMTP id u9mr5803591eep.10.1346140219622; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 00:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h42sm58701533eem.5.2012.08.28.00.50.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 28 Aug 2012 00:50:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "W. David Houser" , "MGList List" References: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:47:43 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 67 BGT steering wheel play Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Depends if your 67 is a Mk1 or a Mk2 as the column changed from solid to collapsible then. On the earlier one the inner is simply a sliding fit in the outer, so once removed from the car probably easy enough to drift the bush out from the bottom. Even though the horn arrangements changed at the same time in both cases an earth on the column shaft should go through the wheel boss to the body of the horn push, then through the horn switch when operated. Mk1 cars then went through the centre rivet on the horn push, to a 'bullet' on a wire in an insulated hole down the middle of the column shaft to the brass cylindrical slip-ring mounted on but insulated from the column shaft just below the splines. The fixed contact rests on the slip-ring as the wheel is turned, and is wired out to the horns. Mk2 cars then went through an offset spring-loaded pencil resting on the back of a flat slip ring attached to the back of the wheel hub, and the fixed contact rested on that, wired out to the horns as earlier. I'd be very surprised if earthing the outer tube of the steering column fixed the problem as that is bolted to the bodywork behind the dash anyway. The column shaft gets its earth through the UJ, rack shaft, rack outer, front cross-member from the chassis rails. It's not uncommon for cars with the later full energy absorbing column to have a high resistance in that path but I've not heard of a chrome bumper car having that problem. If linking the fixed contact below the wheel to a clean part of the column shaft sounds the horn then the problem is in the horn switch or between that and the slip ring. If that doesn't sound the horn but linking the fixed contact to some other metal work (try the column outer as well as the bodywork it is bolted to) does, then the problem *is* a missing earth from the column inner. If the column outer sounds the horn then providing another earth won't help. Ideally you need to test wrt earth with a voltmeter on the column shaft, slip-ring and fixed contact as you are pressing the horn button to see which how the voltages rise and fall. You could have more than one high resistance rather than a complete open-circuit, as I did on my RB V8. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Noticed that I am able to move the steering wheel up and down about 1/16" > in > my 67 BGT while trying to fix my horns. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 28 06:09:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0972D0266 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 06:09:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 30F782D0168 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 06:05:02 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1346155667; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=ik7uEqgPzbFhnJ7NaAut0Zdf9UBJ4e/D3DoxfeCgmC4vQEBdE5ukal+pQttJoa1bT ipA0hbcrIUwitSJcnSJk85BMso61RYOmHvZTAjb1N7PJkWQH0cX0b65VJKSPUDILlq UL24AjdoHItFMwRg+5eNBZqMsirIlt8ffskTOguU= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.102]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJD3PDZAS27D62 for (sender ); Tue, 28 Aug 2012 05:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mgbob@juno.com) by webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id SG884QAK; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 05:07:01 PDT Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 12:06:45 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 12:06:45 GMT To: mgs4dave@tampabay.rr.com Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] 67 BGT steering wheel play Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Using the nylon/delrin busing from GEM, I replaced the worn bushing. It was quick and easy. A great improvement--the vibration in column was gone, and steering seemed easier. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "W. David Houser" To: MGList List Subject: [Mgs] 67 BGT steering wheel play Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:10:20 -0400 Listers, Noticed that I am able to move the steering wheel up and down about 1/16" in my 67 BGT while trying to fix my horns. Took off the black covers over the turn signal switch and see the problem. The movement is right at the top of the column behind the self canceling arms. Has anyone else replaced that upper nylon bearing(#24 in Moss catalog)? I know the wheel must come off, anything else? The horn problem, incidentally, is caused by there being no ground at the column itself. I plan to ground a wire from the steering column clamp to a body ground under the dash for a repair. Horns checked out and they work. TIA, _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 28 09:51:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FC352D02A3 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 09:51:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0CA2C0BC4 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 09:51:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sAB61j0030mv7h055Fu1zy; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:54:01 +0000 Received: from sz0052.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sFtt1j0022ymm843XFtt7b; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:53:53 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:53:57 +0000 (UTC) From: dontoy@comcast.net To: mgs@autox.team.net (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Charging Problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to Bob and Paul for helping me out with the charging problem. Turns out that maybe just maybe it takes one two or three sparks to repolarize the generator. Also a big thanks to L awrie Alexander who authored the tech help on the subject. He alluded to the fact that it just might not repolarize on the first spark. Seems like this would have been the time for my if one is enough then 15 should be really good attitude. Thanks again. Enjoy your cars. Time for a drive :^) Donald J. Toy "all great men are dead...and I'm not feeling well" _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 29 16:45:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C81C2D02FD for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:45:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A98D82D02EE for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:45:08 -0600 (MDT) cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=tW0haWE2Y5YA:10 a=lGT1tXo0e-IA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=lsyiKBIiFdEA:10 a=Jp1WtGcJ8LamG19q__4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=BY7Ea9QykDSat21eIT0y/w==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.27.20] ([72.172.27.20:60692] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id D9/90-06055-A1C9E305; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:47:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:47:34 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: Dan DiBiase References: <1346020166.11830.YahooMailNeo@web39406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cc: MG List , MGB- Yahoo Subject: Re: [Mgs] Back in the Saddle Again.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Looks good Dan! -- Congrats! CR On 8/26/2012 5:29 PM, Dan DiBiase wrote: > Well, I picked up the '76 B from the shop yesterday and had an uneventful (besides the rain) 50-mile drive home... Car runs great, _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 29 17:00:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A6C2D033B for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07F1D2D02EF for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:53:06 -0600 (MDT) cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=tW0haWE2Y5YA:10 a=xeQEIzCzh6MA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=PqRnzE_6amcA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=CuTsOyv4m4d398pzhYcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=BY7Ea9QykDSat21eIT0y/w==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.27.20] ([72.172.27.20:60699] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id C4/02-15653-8FD9E305; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:55:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:55:32 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: "W. David Houser" References: Cc: MGList List Subject: Re: [Mgs] 67 BGT steering wheel play Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Errr, the ground is supposed to be on the other side of the horns, not in the column. IOW, current flows from ground, through the horns, through the switch on the steering column and to the battery. Note: I don't want to hear any arguments about which direction current flows! CR On 8/27/2012 12:10 PM, W. David Houser wrote: > Listers, > Noticed that I am able to move the steering wheel up and down about 1/16" in > my 67 BGT while trying to fix my horns. Took off the black covers over the > turn signal switch and see the problem. The movement is right at the top of > the column behind the self canceling arms. Has anyone else replaced that upper > nylon bearing(#24 in Moss catalog)? I know the wheel must come off, anything > else? > The horn problem, incidentally, is caused by there being no ground at the > column itself. I plan to ground a wire from the steering column clamp to a > body ground under the dash for a repair. Horns checked out and they work. > TIA, > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 29 17:33:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94632D02E0 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:32:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E705A2D02E0 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:32:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.72]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sbNS1j0041ZXKqc5FnbuCa; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 23:35:54 +0000 Received: from yourmb2swywknr ([68.53.184.21]) by omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sncM1j00R0U70Vw3hncMh2; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 23:36:22 +0000 From: "Bob Donahue" To: "mgs" References: <20120827.095900.26169.0@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:35:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Charging Problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Donald, check to see if your generator is putting out positive voltage. Maybe the field winding needs to be sparked a few more times. A few tips: I've found on my TD that the radiated electrical noise is so bad, I have to use a "non-electronic" voltmeter to measure the battery voltage when the motor is running. Any meter that has transistors or vacuum tubes gives bogus readings. Perhaps this is due to the steel plug wires and non-resistor spark plugs? The interference to a radio must be massive! You probably already know that a generator shows a discharge at idle. Ammeters are fine, but I think a voltmeter gives a better indication of the charging situation. If you get a reading between 13 and 14 volts running down the road with the headlights on, the charging system is probably OK. (My stock Lucas voltage regulator was set at 16 volts, and the shop manual seems to support this voltage. But this is way too high. I backed mine down to 14 volts.) Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) Email - bobmgtd@comcast.net Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 Member: NEMGTR #11470 NAMGBR # 7-3336 Hoosier MGB Club Olde Octagons of Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Charging Problems > You wrote that all was good before changing the polarity. Did you mean > that > the dynamo was charging as it should, then, but not now? > If it worked properly then, and you sparked/polarised it, then it should > b > ok now. > I suspect the control box. Clean its points and see if the problem is > solved. > There are many designs for multimeters. Set yous up for DC, and use a > range > that is greater than 15V, 0-20 scale would be better, if your meter has > it. > Bob > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: dontoy@comcast.net > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mgs] Charging Problems > Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 23:40:35 +0000 (UTC) > > Dear Sages of the List, (Lawrie Alexander) > > > > Ever since I followed detailed instructions about going from a positive > ground > to a negative ground in my TF the ammeter has been showing a discharge. > Yes, > I > did reverse the wires on the back of the ammeter. All was good prior to > the > switch. It seems to be holding it's own while just the engine is running. > As > soon as I turn on the headlights I show a fair discharge. I would love to > use > a multimeter to check the generator output prior to taking it out. I do > have > a > multimeter but so many placesB (6) to plug in the probesB on the > multimeter. > and so many settings on the dial. I get somewhat cornfused. Any help out > there. Any troubleshooting advice would be very much appreciated.B > > > Donald J. 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David Houser" References: <503E9DE4.7010304@ktc.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:10:53 -0500 Cc: MGList List Subject: Re: [Mgs] 67 BGT steering wheel play Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net ----Original Message----- From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 5:55 PM To: W. David Houser Cc: MGList List Subject: Re: [Mgs] 67 BGT steering wheel play Errr, the ground is supposed to be on the other side of the horns, not in the column. IOW, current flows from ground, through the horns, through the switch on the steering column and to the battery. Note: I don't want to hear any arguments about which direction current flows! CR ========================================= I just checked... the current was pretty much going downstream. Sorry, CR. Couldn't help myself. Larry _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 29 20:53:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CE62D0324 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:53:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm22.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm22.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.92]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F21F82C0CAE for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:49:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [72.30.22.92] by nm22.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 02:52:10 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.107] by tm14.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 02:52:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 02:52:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 44721 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2012 02:52:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; b=IFfHzce+yTDW0X7XWNSUjIHsagtN6hDv6+6NMnxn69dm5tx/mGA4y5vD70CYsMJJDB1tEMpc6h3NeqMPuCwAnptLrT9N4fzqL46PbQnaJX8yDRxjWUyVs95pGUjyrZ3Qp5off2upWGSUOSIoM0Qs7ihQhHKzC+F3BhQ4s/8lSho= ; s=s1024; t=1346295130; bh=zaXC7Yg/v54XfVNJ9orHFIt406twfhsoJaSeRm6kSvw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Sk1G4PUdOlN5WfK8crVfmSKedYfoTxkqMzo1IqTbu82LWFGBELVlIFjTO9MPg8xEkuuLtOHQpjbFHxTTfMl276pzr/KMdoc5mn8ryAoazb7xYoBPlIXsb+CFFAoXbdZ2f2uTfntSA042OK3vdXsUsq4RU8QzAZ37t5yEr7prz14= S19BlPDErQLWrzui3bfCkvZRYVpHtnTIcFFNo_0hkccRszELFTlcijsjqo36 HMITGRX1h6IwxgIPS6.rSrIzNqEhCfI1HPGwCA9vxsEaYZEV4rPKw54dL2rE .uotIEFX.uDPBGnoIzcDE8gE6x0zHxuY5l_GBTKvSIW_TZa0LG98PPg.HEFq fKU14ZjRtDSfnKFFu776mQdKv0IybS3O.on0J7OsP._JxAO4XXK5_oc_hd1s OHi_z10IuvLfT6mwXIMZ4VZrlyCHxZM62acpz5Nj5_51V2r._JFJGwFrKfEx wOs8Qo1WvEk1l4YiLbqZ5GpVDhQvGPH6oedOMRSd7hfI2dNbjfup3rcFUnf6 y64cz4xsgKwxTffx1HxnveOOjvosANLZSiRkGXKIWtlrtxHM1e.PrY2I2bDD mFl8s Received: from [127.0.0.1] (chillmog@99.9.234.42 with plain) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2012 19:52:10 -0700 PDT Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:52:09 -0500 From: Charles Hill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <503E9DE4.7010304@ktc.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] 67 BGT steering wheel play Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Not if you have positive ground. Think older MGs Charles Hill On 8/29/2012 5:55 PM, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: > Errr, the ground is supposed to be on the other side of the horns, not > in the column. IOW, current flows from ground, through the horns, > through the switch on the steering column and to the battery. Note: > I don't want to hear any arguments about which direction current flows! > > CR _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 02:06:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D192D031D for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 02:06:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11C62D02E1 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 02:01:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so658225eek.14 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 01:04:25 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=DWRuo+FZRDFS8Oz4qjx1ZaiqZeI9gyirhS0TNCtfJpo=; b=QpXb0DWUKb0qPvPSJZTueBf1m8Q7P5CXCth87vmzcAGsjVCWH0hduAHcSn9vv4pK3Y vjBGFEHWW4979PrW8XMWA3FcyyGK7SIj+S80OAJoSSoO/H2bx0cUlw2jq7Gn9VfkuuJp m6L78/VYZHbOoq9dbxId8mvQWjt+piRFZZ4pJ0H4tdmyHe0uqA7btnRvatkaBU7cBFlO V8kiYHukOPh2aQbdWnRz0l1tY8VZYd+QAUdma3kYsB3PE3FsIXr+YvvfOyc7JjGOAYG7 XpbdaHe9bAgIZ+yXpUsKDk5dlMKJ8AoUUmsQE2lVxJu9QRtMVXmVA/zkJZIlnVJRrQzf j+kA== Received: by 10.14.202.131 with SMTP id d3mr5411197eeo.32.1346313864915; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 01:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 45sm2624554eeb.8.2012.08.30.01.04.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 30 Aug 2012 01:04:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Charles Hill" , References: <503E9DE4.7010304@ktc.com> <503ED559.1070503@sbcglobal.net> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 08:49:09 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 67 BGT steering wheel play Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Not even most negative grounds. The earth wasn't at the horns and 12v from the switch until the 77 year (although some schematics don't even show it that way then). Until then the earth always came from the switch, picked up from the column shaft for the wheel centre button except for the 1970 year when it was wired to the column stalk switch. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Not if you have positive ground. Think older MGs > > On 8/29/2012 5:55 PM, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: >> Errr, the ground is supposed to be on the other side of the horns, not in >> the column. IOW, current flows from ground, through the horns, through >> the switch on the steering column and to the battery. Note: I don't >> want to hear any arguments about which direction current flows! _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 02:07:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD4D2D0325 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 02:07:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 879E62D0300 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 02:01:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so658237eek.14 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 01:04:26 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=IeIR8Xxmp8cq59sOVouOhruUSvpBJPhhm709/FCBvB4=; b=oiRm4AVLZC+cOVvNIb2P9zlifbSxcQa3EGGmlfyojvbUuyMzcZovJ9q++zdyvvUTa/ bD4NHTdpyuz6mD5MX30yLGcmSSlRtIKVaFJejkCFxedUnstKSOKAyM8uGoJKm4SGqzOU W3Vcxg49PoD/V1zFHOjapfIEpOct1QlnKhsWBGlvY2xg37thE/kFcP4JTG+9sDhDkWU/ ACGKGiey17FlsfCTFW793GW2sdHRIGBBbCQQ10hb88/wxB/CkJxUzzBTwbVqXWxWmBwR x/D0AoaASDmY63mjfZxn9ncQ0qDtz/CTzqgv0VvndoXkxFcB87voiybILf7YBKTkPkVo mpfw== Received: by 10.14.215.193 with SMTP id e41mr5332807eep.44.1346313866200; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 01:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 45sm2624554eeb.8.2012.08.30.01.04.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 30 Aug 2012 01:04:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Bob Donahue" , "mgs" References: <20120827.095900.26169.0@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 08:56:24 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Charging Problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The electro-mechanical regulator is rather temperature dependant. The MGB Workshop Manual quotes 14.3 to 14.9v at 40C/104F, but 14.9 to 15.5v at 10C/50F. 16v *is* too high (for an MGB at any rate), but 14v is too low, adjust it to that at low temperatures and it will be under-charging at higher temps. The electronic alternator regulator is quoted at 14.3 to 14.7, but the lower end of that can be too low, at one point Mercedes were having to select regulators at the higher end of the range as the lower end was causing premature battery failure on cars not used daily. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > (My stock Lucas voltage regulator was set at 16 volts, and the shop manual > seems to support this voltage. But this is way too high. I backed mine > down to 14 volts.) _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 04:17:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA002D0359 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 04:17:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi155.prodigy.net (nlpi155.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2712D032F for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 04:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-99-139-122-40.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [99.139.122.40]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi155.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q7UAJmII013752 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 05:19:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 05:19:47 -0500 To: mgs@autox.team.net From: Barney Gaylord References: <20120827.095900.26169.0@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Charging Problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net >----- Original Message ----- >(My stock Lucas voltage regulator was set at 16 volts, and the shop >manual seems to support this voltage. But this is way too high. I >backed mine down to 14 volts.) I don't recall who wrote that, but it is not exactly what the book says, and it is misleading. The book instructions call for disconnecting the cables from control box terminals A and A1 and connecting them together while testing voltage or adjusting the control box. Then the regulator relay should be adjusted to make the dynamo generate "around" 16 volts (depending on ambient temperature). There is a sentence missing from the instructions in the book. It should additionally say, "When finished testing, reconnect the cables to control box terminals A and A1". What that does is to disconnect the car's electrical load AND the battery from the dynamo, so it will be running with zero electrical load during the test or adjustment. Under those circumstances (no load) it should be adjusted to make about 16 volts. However once the load is reconnected to the dynamo it will not put out 16 volts. When there is an electrical load the dynamo output voltage will drop significantly, and the greater the current draw the lower the voltage. Since voltage varies depending on a variable load, it is best to test or adjust the regulator with no load so the results will be consistent and repeatable. When the thing is adjusted by the book, then reconnected and run under load, the voltage will be substantially lower. When running with only the ignition and fuel pump under power and the battery fully charged, the voltage (at elevated engine speed) may be around 15.5 volts at the dynamo output terminal. With headlights and other electrical equipment switched on the dynamo output voltage may be around 14.5 volts. If the battery is significantly discharged and drawing a lot of current during recharging, you might see only 14 volts at dynamo output, and possibly as low as 13.5 volts at the battery terminals, depending on state of charge of the battery. So if you are measuring system voltage with the cables connected (normal electrical load), then 16 volts is too high, and 14 volts is too low. My Mitsubishi 60 amp alternator will put out 14.52 +/- 0.02 volts under any load circumstances with any engine speed of 700 rpm or greater. Don't expect a generator to be that consistent. A generator will put out far less current and lower voltage at low speed, so it is intended to be adjusted to put out slightly higher voltage (than the alternator) at higher speed and low load to make it average out well enough to keep the battery charged with higher load. You just have to get used to the fact that with a generator the system voltage varies considerably with various load and engine speed. Running with headlights switched off and battery mostly charges, 15 volts at the dynamo output terminal is pretty good, and it should never do 16 volts with the battery connected to the generator. Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 11:00:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 904412D033D for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:00:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AA682D02E1 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 10:57:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id t0ak1j0041Y3wxoA14zuLs; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:59:54 +0000 Received: from lundgren-laptop.familysearch.org ([184.73.197.243]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id t4zY1j00M5FaDbs8b4zeyd; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:59:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 10:59:32 -0600 From: "Andrew B. Lundgren" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120825 Thunderbird/15.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] What do you think about this BGT? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.ksl.com/auto/listing/12368957 Anyone driven one with a GM V6 in it? What about the price? -- Andrew _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 11:02:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4B92D0366 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:02:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213B92D019A for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 10:59:43 -0600 (MDT) cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=tW0haWE2Y5YA:10 a=xeQEIzCzh6MA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=PqRnzE_6amcA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=uoMyvF_ZeUG38pJsBfwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=BY7Ea9QykDSat21eIT0y/w==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.27.20] ([72.172.27.20:61083] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 7D/9F-21063-2AC9F305; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 13:02:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 12:02:04 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: PaulHunt73 References: <503E9DE4.7010304@ktc.com> <503ED559.1070503@sbcglobal.net> <9027CD03C6B64B5E8D4BF36EFCDAA44A@paul> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] 67 BGT steering wheel play Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a '69 MGB, with a stalk switch and the ground is at the horns. Guess I should have said, "On my '69................" Agree that the wiring diagrams may contain a few errors. :-) CR CR On 8/30/2012 2:49 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > Not even most negative grounds. The earth wasn't at the horns and 12v > from the switch until the 77 year (although some schematics don't even > show it that way then). Until then the earth always came from the > switch, picked up from the column shaft for the wheel centre button > except for the 1970 year when it was wired to the column stalk switch. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> Not if you have positive ground. Think older MGs >> >> On 8/29/2012 5:55 PM, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: >>> Errr, the ground is supposed to be on the other side of the horns, >>> not in the column. IOW, current flows from ground, through the >>> horns, through the switch on the steering column and to the >>> battery. Note: I don't want to hear any arguments about which >>> direction current flows! > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 11:44:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D652D032F for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:44:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69EFA2D0307 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:37:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-18.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q7UHeHuN021202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 10:40:22 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.32.0.111121 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 10:38:31 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] What do you think about this BGT? Thread-Index: Ac2G1kV0jdkGiGK7SkWYYdEqRiUsuw== Subject: Re: [Mgs] What do you think about this BGT? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net A friend has an Alpine with this motor, and a 5-spd. It pulls like a freight train (compared to the 1725, at least). on 8/30/12 9:59 AM, Andrew B. Lundgren at lundgren@byu.net wrote: > http://www.ksl.com/auto/listing/12368957 > > Anyone driven one with a GM V6 in it? What about the price? > > -- > Andrew -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 31 06:00:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744092D033D for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 06:00:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC972D0325 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 05:58:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so1320096eek.14 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 05:01:12 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:cc:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=RtbPNgkOjMVIXMKechaoMq287X/Tp0kVd9GP6G8lpIM=; b=BYYewbqd4Av4RzWyCuTzRpumE4tlvR0xFCYYY8U5+SkaL/f+Z3eIZL1tRltpMCyhHu noCKZQfzlslxfI2BV2LTyLe0fyqLJDVnWwxZ2MOxU4sMMYz0TT5/259xIy58A+SJwcGB SIWoqRqaYR5TqrjE+YbAUOGjACK2vhzdqEyaKLJKy8ODUtZGXkpUmOXgMThui/6NbFTI MF4kGRYldaGl09tfRkBRDvAAeaEEjIreGmS47hTKyRt2EBnsfCQM5xCkXAEzVdI+9zie RjJpk+VrRqlSoB8oy+3WdB93cU+OEsIxJ3M7dqJV1MfWlJvMmOlNCTCnI2/khrA2OhPO EL4g== Received: by 10.14.0.198 with SMTP id 46mr10733904eeb.30.1346414472630; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 05:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 45sm12897652eeb.8.2012.08.31.05.01.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 31 Aug 2012 05:01:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" Cc: References: <503E9DE4.7010304@ktc.com> <503ED559.1070503@sbcglobal.net> <9027CD03C6B64B5E8D4BF36EFCDAA44A@paul> <503F9C8C.2090503@ktc.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 12:46:02 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 67 BGT steering wheel play Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That would need two wires going through the stalk, they would have to be pretty thin, and the horns take quite a lot of current. I was under the impression that the earth for the switch was fed up the metal tube of the stalk, meaning only one wire - purple/black - coming down and going out to the horns. The main colour of purple indicates it is controlling a device connected to the fused, always live supply, and the tracer colour of black indicates that an earth is connected to operate the device. Generally speaking when a wire colour was first used that was the convention, although if there were subsequent changes, as from 77 when the horns *were* backed by an earth instead of 12v, they kept the colour of the controlling wire. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >I have a '69 MGB, with a stalk switch and the ground is at the horns. >Guess I should have said, "On my '69................" Agree that the >wiring diagrams may contain a few errors. :-) > > CR > > CR > On 8/30/2012 2:49 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: >> Not even most negative grounds. The earth wasn't at the horns and 12v >> from the switch until the 77 year (although some schematics don't even >> show it that way then). Until then the earth always came from the >> switch, picked up from the column shaft for the wheel centre button >> except for the 1970 year when it was wired to the column stalk switch. >> >> PaulH. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 31 13:22:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DBC2D0359 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 13:22:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B4132D0335 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 13:22:29 -0600 (MDT) cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=tW0haWE2Y5YA:10 a=Y2d8ToSWbykA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=qdwCrBO-sfQA:10 a=s2dlIY9AAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=juCM5T53fx-90gZd0XEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=BY7Ea9QykDSat21eIT0y/w==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.27.20] ([72.172.27.20:61584] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id B1/9A-06055-99F01405; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:25:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:24:51 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: "Andrew B. Lundgren" References: <503F9BF4.5030107@byu.net> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] What do you think about this BGT? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Looks good from the outside. On a car that had an engine/tranny swap I'd always like to see how the swap was done. Sounds like it has a single exhaust setup. Price looks OK if it's rust-free and the swap was executed well. CR On 8/30/2012 11:59 AM, Andrew B. Lundgren wrote: > http://www.ksl.com/auto/listing/12368957 > > Anyone driven one with a GM V6 in it? What about the price? > > -- > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net