From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 12:10:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C18C2D031E for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 12:10:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4EEA2D01A1 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 12:07:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.16.1.3] (unknown [107.14.139.47]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B06C228418 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 14:10:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Whiteman Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 11:10:09 -0700 To: MG Mailing List Subject: [Mgs] Speaking of horns Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The horns in my '75 B hadn't been working for some time, but it was something that I was going to look at when I got a round tuit. I had voltage at the purple wire into the right horn and voltage on the purple/black as well. Good. I had no voltage to the center rode under the horn button. Bad. After taking the center column covers off, I confirmed I had voltage at the purple/black at the steering column and had no continuity from the wheel to the wire terminal. Hmm. Turns out the little spring contact that bridges to the wheel from the column had relaxed away and I had an open circuit there. A bit of mucking about with needle nosed pliers fixed it and I now have a nice honk again. But my question is this: anybody else experience this, and how long should I expect my horns to last before I have to do this again? -- Aaron _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 12:41:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411472D0396 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 12:41:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B62C42D026B for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 12:41:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews13.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.180]) by cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 1 Sep 2012 20:44:22 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT108.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.24]) by cpsps-ews13.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sat, 1 Sep 2012 20:44:21 +0200 Received: from uw471de61b465c ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT108.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sat, 1 Sep 2012 20:44:21 +0200 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "Aaron Whiteman" , "MG Mailing List" References: Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 20:44:22 +0200 FILETIME=[CD0F5AF0:01CD8871] Subject: Re: [Mgs] Speaking of horns Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Verify if the little spring contact also has a carbon contact end. This should contact to the ring. If there is no carbon contact or if it is worn, it should be replaced. The carbon contact does not have much fristion and the spring will remain in a straight loaded position. When the carbon contact is lost, the spring hardly will be spring loaded and the friction of the steering wheel turned will bent the spring easily again. Cheers, Hans 71 BGT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Whiteman" To: "MG Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 8:10 PM Subject: [Mgs] Speaking of horns > The horns in my '75 B hadn't been working for some time, but it was > something > that I was going to look at when I got a round tuit. > > I had voltage at the purple wire into the right horn and voltage on the > purple/black as well. Good. > I had no voltage to the center rode under the horn button. Bad. > > After taking the center column covers off, I confirmed I had voltage at > the > purple/black at the steering column and had no continuity from the wheel > to > the wire terminal. Hmm. > > Turns out the little spring contact that bridges to the wheel from the > column > had relaxed away and I had an open circuit there. A bit of mucking about > with > needle nosed pliers fixed it and I now have a nice honk again. > > But my question is this: anybody else experience this, and how long should > I > expect my horns to last before I have to do this again? > > -- > Aaron _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 12:55:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BADAA2D03CA for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 12:55:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33C32D024A for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 12:55:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.16.1.3] (unknown [107.14.139.47]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D44E82816F; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 14:58:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Whiteman Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 11:58:16 -0700 References: <6EEEBD6BA89F4497B9973ABC892DA10B@uw471de61b465c> To: Hans Duinhoven Cc: MG Mailing List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Speaking of horns Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sep 1, 2012, at 11:44 AM, Hans Duinhoven wrote: > Verify if the little spring contact also has a carbon contact end. > This should contact to the ring. > If there is no carbon contact or if it is worn, it should be replaced. > The carbon contact does not have much fristion and the spring will remain in a straight loaded position. > When the carbon contact is lost, the spring hardly will be spring loaded and the friction of the steering wheel turned will bent the spring easily again. OK that would explain it. It appears to have a brass button, but no carbon contact. I had assumed that was the contact point. -- Aaron _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 14:13:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53FA02D0396 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 14:13:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.22.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 772362D026B for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 14:13:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 6146 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2012 20:16:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2012 20:16:15 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=9Elpx6P8d2be/PcK1UKwz+IsiqGtT6jpP6bz/Imw4eE=; b=MLFMtxIdk57g2NfYwVk/CPBGgTk6uPYXU9dcVH2MW2iz99Z8Y8jGhvbG/je0iEgvPeuIuPWYAMxzvuQ9jBC4w2EZpdueZY+pYE80pOdNq+QvKgTNXVKHjhEOQU+Ld6Za; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=37260 helo=[192.168.0.106]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T7u75-0007ji-CW for mgs@autox.team.net; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 14:16:15 -0600 Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 15:16:15 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <503F9BF4.5030107@byu.net> <50410F83.70407@ktc.com> {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] What do you think about this BGT? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net << On 8/31/2012 2:24 PM, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: ... the swap was executed well. >> Andrew, I TOTALLY agree with Charley ! ! ! Chassis welding ?? Motor mount fab(s) ?? etc., etc. ? ! ? Got (or can get some pics of same ?? I can post for you for all to view/check out ! Any info on motor ?? Clutch (and HOW was that done) ?? Trans ?? Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 14:17:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C72DB2D03D6 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 14:17:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB8B2D039A for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 14:15:34 -0600 (MDT) cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=tW0haWE2Y5YA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NOg2o64VA8gA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=CalOv7c-JwdEDwl8eocA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=BY7Ea9QykDSat21eIT0y/w==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.27.20] ([72.172.27.20:61024] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id CD/D0-15653-E8D62405; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 16:18:22 -0400 Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 15:17:58 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <6EEEBD6BA89F4497B9973ABC892DA10B@uw471de61b465c> <71E9E609-EFE2-408C-B8D2-681CDC0907AD@panix.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Speaking of horns Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Many cars had a brass cylinder attached to the spring for a "brush". Maybe your button is what's left of the cylinder. CR On 9/1/2012 1:58 PM, Aaron Whiteman wrote: > On Sep 1, 2012, at 11:44 AM, Hans Duinhoven wrote: > >> Verify if the little spring contact also has a carbon contact end. >> This should contact to the ring. >> If there is no carbon contact or if it is worn, it should be replaced. >> The carbon contact does not have much fristion and the spring will remain in > a straight loaded position. >> When the carbon contact is lost, the spring hardly will be spring loaded and > the friction of the steering wheel turned will bent the spring easily again. > > OK that would explain it. It appears to have a brass button, but no carbon > contact. I had assumed that was the contact point. > > -- > Aaron > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 14:19:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485732D0357 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 14:19:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5962D01AB for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 14:19:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.16.1.3] (unknown [107.14.139.47]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2406B28906; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 16:21:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Whiteman Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 13:21:47 -0700 References: <6EEEBD6BA89F4497B9973ABC892DA10B@uw471de61b465c> <71E9E609-EFE2-408C-B8D2-681CDC0907AD@panix.com> <50426D76.5060906@ktc.com> To: ccrobins@ktc.com Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Speaking of horns Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sep 1, 2012, at 1:17 PM, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: > Many cars had a brass cylinder attached to the spring for a "brush". Maybe your button is what's left of the cylinder. I was looking at the Moss replacement part, and what I have looks a lot like what they show in a new part. http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=66355 -- Aaron _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 15:04:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF3A2D0220 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 15:04:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A6362D0212 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 15:04:19 -0600 (MDT) cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=tW0haWE2Y5YA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=c8HzC2CZbxsA:10 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=z1R5-WJlAAAA:8 a=mLvP9ZOGCmFw3PRB7g4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=o8hDQ0G7OvMA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=BY7Ea9QykDSat21eIT0y/w==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.27.20] ([72.172.27.20:60026] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id CA/C7-15653-CF872405; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 17:07:08 -0400 Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 16:06:43 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: Aaron Whiteman References: <6EEEBD6BA89F4497B9973ABC892DA10B@uw471de61b465c> <71E9E609-EFE2-408C-B8D2-681CDC0907AD@panix.com> <50426D76.5060906@ktc.com> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Speaking of horns Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Holy Smoke! I was thinking of a spiral-wound spring with a contact cylinder riding on it. They used to fit in a hole drilled in the steering wheel hub and rub on a slip ring mounted on the column. If that's what you have I'd replace it on the grounds that it may have lost tension in that long arm. Too bad you can't just get the switch. Looks like it just slides into the clamp and is retained by friction. CR On 9/1/2012 3:21 PM, Aaron Whiteman wrote: > On Sep 1, 2012, at 1:17 PM, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: > >> Many cars had a brass cylinder attached to the spring for a "brush". Maybe your button is what's left of the cylinder. > I was looking at the Moss replacement part, and what I have looks a lot like what they show in a new part. > > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=66355 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 16:03:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD992D0206 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 16:03:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CF22D0211 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 15:56:56 -0600 (MDT) cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=tW0haWE2Y5YA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=c8HzC2CZbxsA:10 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=z1R5-WJlAAAA:8 a=pduRTxJsVgUlT5ZSggcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=o8hDQ0G7OvMA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=BY7Ea9QykDSat21eIT0y/w==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.27.20] ([72.172.27.20:60070] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id BF/25-06055-05582405; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 17:59:45 -0400 Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 16:59:20 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: Aaron Whiteman References: <6EEEBD6BA89F4497B9973ABC892DA10B@uw471de61b465c> <71E9E609-EFE2-408C-B8D2-681CDC0907AD@panix.com> <50426D76.5060906@ktc.com> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Speaking of horns Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Just realized that I left plenty of ambiguities/mistakes in my last post. When I said .."If that's what you have..." I meant what was depicted in the link to Moss's catalog. When I wrote about a switch I was wrong. That's not a switch on the clamp. Not sure what you'd call it but it's there as connecting point for the wire harness to the horn ring. DUH! CR --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Holy Smoke! I was thinking of a spiral-wound spring with a contact cylinder riding on it. They used to fit in a hole drilled in the steering wheel hub and rub on a slip ring mounted on the column. If that's what you have I'd replace it on the grounds that it may have lost tension in that long arm. Too bad you can't just get the switch. Looks like it just slides into the clamp and is retained by friction. CR On 9/1/2012 3:21 PM, Aaron Whiteman wrote: > On Sep 1, 2012, at 1:17 PM, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: > >> Many cars had a brass cylinder attached to the spring for a "brush". Maybe your button is what's left of the cylinder. > I was looking at the Moss replacement part, and what I have looks a lot like what they show in a new part. > > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=66355 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 2 05:01:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B6F2D01AC for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 05:01:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7485F2D0154 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 05:01:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by weys10 with SMTP id s10so2915742wey.14 for ; Sun, 02 Sep 2012 04:04:26 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:cc:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=/goeePWfQsrOwJ0XL3bHNKw6jF19MoZhdRPuqWGg0HA=; b=FGnup5vHMXEUpLse1h2+s5wBQkV2dyFMVyF8mzfuwIB53HNam09TojfLKMU6PLXl1E 4u55t+DMXPHWqdZnnhwjYdvlygRRDqi2dNBB+6K3RaTVEUBqx4PYzRMs8XKIS5X6AJo4 VoU0y9XT6P5bzNySeEkB4RmOkUemsJB6MGCqt7Qpx5v3X6rYhPoTMWa/DhHI9PgJDlnX njwTmWXodwTSPqbFBv/yQ30qlZEk9oGYaLQkeyjSnVybog6fokm0QrfFg0a6TUALrht8 f0/DsIfRRTJ5jaqGl984RI6WuSp/WewHIGEZQEalaZSlnUcvF330S/+sjSWt2U5NN2S3 ypwQ== Received: by 10.180.103.4 with SMTP id fs4mr16249055wib.16.1346583866126; Sun, 02 Sep 2012 04:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hv8sm12922930wib.0.2012.09.02.04.04.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 02 Sep 2012 04:04:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Aaron Whiteman" References: <6EEEBD6BA89F4497B9973ABC892DA10B@uw471de61b465c> <71E9E609-EFE2-408C-B8D2-681CDC0907AD@panix.com> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 11:45:05 +0100 Cc: MG Mailing List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Speaking of horns Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net No carbon there, just the brass button. There should also be a bracer behind the copper spring and that should keep the spring under tension against the slip-ring on the wheel. It shouldn't ever lose tension, unless perhaps the slip-ring on the wheel isn't at right-angles to the line of the shaft so moves in and out against the contact as the wheel is turned. Also depending on the column you have the inner can move in and out if the UJ is removed, which can press the spring back more than its tension allows for. If the wheel has been changed for a different type the spacing of slip-ring to contact could also be different. That Moss part is for the later dual stalks as it has four holes in the bracket, and doesn't have the bracer I mentioned. Earlier horn contacts with only two holes in the bracket do have that bracer - http://www.leacyclassics.com/37h8051.html PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > OK that would explain it. It appears to have a brass button, but no > carbon > contact. I had assumed that was the contact point. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 2 12:09:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99042D06F1 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 12:09:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.55.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 68FEE2D081D for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 11:06:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 22381 invoked by uid 0); 2 Sep 2012 17:09:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2012 17:09:09 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=Fsnhrkx3FoajC0RMiaFURu7QnimAALS90H7yh6f9GSM=; b=PChlUC4izP9oW7h/+ypPD/0S4iwulbzSyRg1IInytCfpxoO98ksMnaesVHtI0Pm3bFVlY4kn9DCaimjYN7QHo2cus1mQ+gD/XBnGEF6Z2+9DrgTXNT9gajRcb1tp1gGv; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=39429 helo=[192.168.0.106]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T8DfZ-0002ix-LG for mgs@autox.team.net; Sun, 02 Sep 2012 11:09:09 -0600 Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 12:09:09 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <6EEEBD6BA89F4497B9973ABC892DA10B@uw471de61b465c> <71E9E609-EFE2-408C-B8D2-681CDC0907AD@panix.com> <50426D76.5060906@ktc.com> <504278E3.7010403@ktc.com> {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] Speaking of horns Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net << On 9/1/2012 4:06 PM, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: > I was thinking of a spiral-wound spring with a contact cylinder > riding on it. >> You thinking of the Frogeye style one, Charley ????? # 63 Contact found at: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29336&SortOrder=47#top Bottom just right of center. Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 2 15:21:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 049262D07D1 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 15:21:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C76BC2C0C97 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 13:43:53 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1346615201; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=Zx7xwvDpLUFLLGvuj5ijzhVWnDOUQ0t7oCZxuXQJDYuTkCwYQxgtHLQHk8wX/55Rr Emn1XKpQpeWEwLU5Z9d5PS5F0l1tiZgPQQHFfXqi9cb9PtkS7U3XxBLzNOP6ew+ys+ bdR4fbQMKAb0hJ92C52p5mTs53F9yvgxxUE74K8A= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.101]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJEHP64AV3UEQ2 for (sender ); Sun, 2 Sep 2012 12:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mgbob@juno.com) by webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id SHNXDNPR; Sun, 02 Sep 2012 12:46:30 PDT Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 19:46:24 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 19:46:24 GMT To: mgs@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] TD under dash panel Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net To remove the under-dash panel, must the steering column be removed? I have found and removed the side screws beside the cowl/dash stiiffener tube. Are there others? Bob _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 3 06:09:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D341B2D04BA for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 06:09:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm26.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm26.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.153]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 899D92C0CDD for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 05:39:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.97] by nm26.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2012 11:42:18 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.71] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2012 11:42:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2012 11:42:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 75142 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Sep 2012 11:42:18 -0000 s=s1024; t=1346672538; bh=nWAfSaAFvjARrkuxwopjzt9BoJnhWqeSfBsauFFtKNI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GVdPJAjiCVlrFpjRftiE8+hqWWO+X8WYNljvRn/I+OF3a1gBtoZDHsJWgxzfqwv8D6daITN1fSpyR79hryZRnHYiZqgUaLIm+ver/xPPetRUEKv7mHvkDqQ09hNBopPK7OLtDFTaHzfsSCtZNoqX8AraRq1Ky6dtkjpm9Ee+ULw= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PrMcp6NhBg8/EBgJmefKRzax1duoWe3SbkRRJiQU7VMnne1wYP9Lj4PjgcDNa0QWUGPzy6ExyL0QrauighG3uqQ6aHZcg1nQO+PN4FDUY5Rc/sM9F9DeMJw6iw3vPqR0mxPL33dG7pnj6ohYkjy4HH+8h+/lxll7PXx4qO7WaJM=; GKCxMUCOJ7L9gNRFjQ3lW.lSYUSesfUG_xXD_ZEWUbfo1EpD6LanMLzGqfz. ClfupeacD8019q8KX360ZyyBBksYQvSyZbAax_BmDJrX_AvYcWVaOrMVsGT7 pN7YU08Z2oYgpl3WXmdu9HfpTtnvSivOswqf0YspBTB2IIY.2eDMIYZgWXPg ejqNXh_5ZudkaR8S3sWQCNpbrEsl4IbdQUdAcC2gsMbBuiKvTlajgjazPfkb 3fvqJNeIMYv54LDSVqTDOrOqVytlps9bdHc3FaNcKJsO4YWr2iQifO6PBjRA RwFbvic8Acnie8U2t2sQn9nW8VxhKnye9x9QKMwGTqR8Vfg1IBTKwrU28MUd 10k3g.6YtGuchrjDDY2atSpsxnHvSOi8hsE8mkXvhtvTofi3oyalfyV5oMmF qYx_t_hbnjCDK2WX4P24- Received: from [67.66.200.68] by web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Sep 2012 04:42:18 PDT Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 04:42:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Lindsay To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] soldering corroded copper Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, Generic question for the metallurgy gifted: What chemical do you recommend for cleaning away copper corrosion so I can solder electrical connections? Background: My '69 Silver Shadow was a techno-marvel for its day. The entire fuse, relay and circuit breaker panel is a tough, thick, glass fiber printed circuit board. The connectors and fuse holders are clamped to the board/lands with copper rivets. Today, 43 years later, the copper of the lands, fuse holders and rivets has a nice non-conductive patina causing intermittent open circuits. I want to solder all the crimped bits together but need to remove the oxide first. Thus the question. Yes, the topic car is OT but the issue of corroded electrical connections plagues us all. Ergo, I query the collective wizardry of the forum. Thanks and best regards, -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 3 08:10:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887AE2D05E5 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 08:10:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF8E2D027B for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 07:39:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q83DfYYF000713; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 06:42:29 -0700 Received: by dm0201.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 48303de7) id dm0201.5035aa00.2002b4a; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 06:42:28 -0700 From: "Chad" To: "'Rick Lindsay'" , References: <1346672538.71757.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 08:42:27 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac2JzsVMxgQZWeClRAqYW85XwxbgQQACufBg Content-Language: en-us engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-09-03_02:2012-09-03,2012-09-03,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1209030118 Subject: Re: [Mgs] soldering corroded copper Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Get some Flux, it will eat the corrosion and allow the solder to bond. It's a paste when you heat up the area with soldering iron it will clean the connection. Chad Cooper '72 B Roadster -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rick Lindsay Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 6:42 AM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] soldering corroded copper Hello Friends, Generic question for the metallurgy gifted: What chemical do you recommend for cleaning away copper corrosion so I can solder electrical connections? Background: My '69 Silver Shadow was a techno-marvel for its day. The entire fuse, relay and circuit breaker panel is a tough, thick, glass fiber printed circuit board. The connectors and fuse holders are clamped to the board/lands with copper rivets. Today, 43 years later, the copper of the lands, fuse holders and rivets has a nice non-conductive patina causing intermittent open circuits. I want to solder all the crimped bits together but need to remove the oxide first. Thus the question. Yes, the topic car is OT but the issue of corroded electrical connections plagues us all. Ergo, I query the collective wizardry of the forum. Thanks and best regards, -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgb72@airmail.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 3 09:33:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7781A2D06DD for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 09:33:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2AA2D0683 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 08:42:53 -0600 (MDT) cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=tW0haWE2Y5YA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=O766VghuAAAA:8 a=XAdEl0gcEi8bkUO-g28A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=lWqRMEpyncUA:10 a=BY7Ea9QykDSat21eIT0y/w==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.27.20] ([72.172.27.20:61527] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 79/C7-21063-582C4405; Mon, 03 Sep 2012 10:45:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 09:45:23 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: PaulHunt73 References: <6EEEBD6BA89F4497B9973ABC892DA10B@uw471de61b465c> <71E9E609-EFE2-408C-B8D2-681CDC0907AD@panix.com> <44DB0AEA6C61416E8C1F1839A7985E46@paul> Cc: MG Mailing List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Speaking of horns Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That looks like a more robust part. CR On 9/2/2012 5:45 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > > That Moss part is for the later dual stalks as it has four holes in > the bracket, and doesn't have the bracer I mentioned. Earlier horn > contacts with only two holes in the bracket do have that bracer - > http://www.leacyclassics.com/37h8051.html > > PaulH. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 3 09:38:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99DB82D0726 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 09:38:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE292D06DA for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 08:56:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so2316628eek.14 for ; Mon, 03 Sep 2012 07:59:28 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=tZEMnTzQSVjs8dcjPJXbu3e4PW/n4x1eoIceDKjTQ7g=; b=WPjhFd3LHJ12S62q5TK9hpbUthgQ0vvhUzflYAdo/DrR9kOL41lTzTfgX33Bj2ZaYk O8D1+kwGVbiUbXjaR+4p9sATakj9id9pQcbiuEdKne6eE/VHqYF8Pa0BO/QtZuJbdd/v 3nhr7g6JGteydYJ9gTggMWerfwE7445i2zINRShx/W+U3WmVp9Erp5gksKtL+LNN8ymX lYCoVi2pB8U35I/mdmspPkBdZwp8OXlDGvZHrecepWDJaG4kIWqmUHrJGo49zHnOqG8j 6dwEqjziE6+dHDgOUjwLnzM/mGlT0tYoKR3RyCkheUSmd8lgMssAt8YTnwxfqO9V3j6x 7FnA== Received: by 10.14.207.9 with SMTP id m9mr21900250eeo.5.1346684368588; Mon, 03 Sep 2012 07:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u8sm37211244eel.11.2012.09.03.07.59.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 03 Sep 2012 07:59:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "'Rick Lindsay'" , References: <1346672538.71757.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <002101cd89d9$f52b8130$df828390$@net> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 15:39:28 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] soldering corroded copper Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net There is flux and flux. Soldering flux i.e. in cored solder can only remove microscopic layers of oxidisation from basically clean copper, it won't remove corrosion. Acid flux as in a paste typically contains hydrochloric acid and may well be able to remove heavier corrosion, but then you have to completely remove that flux or it continues to eat away at everything. Wire wool should be able to clean the copper rivets, also the copper tracks but you may abrade them away. In the past I've repaired fractured and burnt tracks by wrapping a strand of copper round the component terminal and laid it along the track for an inch or so. Should be easy enough on a 69 vintage circuit board, less so today! PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Get some Flux, it will eat the corrosion and allow the solder to bond. > It's > a paste when you heat up the area with soldering iron it will clean the > connection. > Subject: [Mgs] soldering corroded copper > Generic question for the metallurgy gifted: What chemical do you > recommend > for cleaning away copper corrosion so I can solder electrical connections? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 3 10:28:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C8B2D09D3 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 10:28:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0872C0BA4 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 09:13:43 -0600 (MDT) cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=tW0haWE2Y5YA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=O766VghuAAAA:8 a=XAdEl0gcEi8bkUO-g28A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=lWqRMEpyncUA:10 a=BY7Ea9QykDSat21eIT0y/w==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.27.20] ([72.172.27.20:61527] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 79/C7-21063-582C4405; Mon, 03 Sep 2012 10:45:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 09:45:23 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: PaulHunt73 References: <6EEEBD6BA89F4497B9973ABC892DA10B@uw471de61b465c> <71E9E609-EFE2-408C-B8D2-681CDC0907AD@panix.com> <44DB0AEA6C61416E8C1F1839A7985E46@paul> Cc: MG Mailing List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Speaking of horns Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That looks like a more robust part. CR On 9/2/2012 5:45 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > > That Moss part is for the later dual stalks as it has four holes in > the bracket, and doesn't have the bracer I mentioned. Earlier horn > contacts with only two holes in the bracket do have that bracer - > http://www.leacyclassics.com/37h8051.html > > PaulH. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 3 11:31:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ED852D0852 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 11:31:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FECC2C0A3D for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 10:38:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.74]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uefS1j0061bwxycABghYu4; Mon, 03 Sep 2012 16:41:32 +0000 Received: from lundgren-laptop.familysearch.org ([67.166.110.249]) by omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ughX1j00C5NtyR78eghXeM; Mon, 03 Sep 2012 16:41:32 +0000 Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 10:41:23 -0600 From: "Andrew B. Lundgren" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120825 Thunderbird/15.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Torn gator Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I haven't done anything with the rack and pinion on my car. I found that one of the gators has torn open. (old and rotten) I don't know much about these so I started looking in my manual and online and found the entire replacement racks. At 40 years on the car, is this something I should consider rather than just replacing the gators? I don't put a lot of miles on the car, the odometer shows about 75k on it and that is probably correct within 10k miles. Thanks! -- Andrew _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 3 14:22:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C852D0644 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 14:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from relay00.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.5.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D9CE2D07CD for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 13:32:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 54444 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2012 19:35:16 -0000 Received: from 70.126.48.28 (HELO mullet) (70.126.48.28) by relay00.pair.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2012 19:35:16 -0000 From: "Stephen West-Fisher" To: References: <5044DDB3.8020605@byu.net> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 15:34:54 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2J+pbkuK1mtV55SCWR19Si28OiwwAEGGzA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] Torn gator Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net If it isn't warn I would just replace the gator. My rack has 120K+ on it and it is fine. -- Stephen West-Fisher N4IK -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew B. Lundgren Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 12:41 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Torn gator I haven't done anything with the rack and pinion on my car. I found that one of the gators has torn open. (old and rotten) I don't know much about these so I started looking in my manual and online and found the entire replacement racks. At 40 years on the car, is this something I should consider rather than just replacing the gators? I don't put a lot of miles on the car, the odometer shows about 75k on it and that is probably correct within 10k miles. Thanks! -- Andrew _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/steve@coastaldatasystems.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 3 14:56:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990FC2D06E7 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 14:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm14-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.162]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 18CFC2D06E7 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 14:06:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.106] by nm14.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2012 20:08:47 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.65] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2012 20:08:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2012 20:08:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 8990 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Sep 2012 20:08:47 -0000 s=s1024; t=1346702927; bh=48rir4btmOhH6JN4/vynGuvfrGnxVtcFhFzUngBoey0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5oNQ4m50wNClx8LqQ1hMzamKB9WT5V/qTS+qcoEE2hs/qY03jUG2SbNLsX8+KqijOqKRxibveAmaXHmqCzypiqgwmIQ4/SWd2Ve/OH/7BkoydDdnw7aNI0mw8aTHS3y2b3kEsVYP+6OnM+zNG4ZyO6vpzpAPtHL7P+gX55bSUoE= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QJv/zoO+Nfqux2HQgjzwGzqXpA6HuvORTjE1OdxpNhLVDsXFlMGnYjm/WoFuNcPjdKMsKuZRtLxKGYwaK4cj7WC7yKWKq9Q7GPEnHJwBNap2N23iBQAub22/G9Z4Pza/hYpf7uYtJ33iQPYWQzxqVZfeN3AapEORxaSUPHwba2c=; plNem3KAcBdcm1mEp3bSdtIHELp_gmzL0E8t8VuaASxzUYEBPobNT_l59Cg. N4jxXZqAiVzprM7GjJ8EYnJlJZi4gbcfSucvyJqCd5oKrf_MciubvAqxTnuj sRgatKhTi0xnn65gCIZ661bBDNxTO2UENsRTcYFia7h5mHrx7QzNjU6uqb1B ygDAcsyWWO2jRYkY2Cf16We_tWdCB.59eB_RH8oORpLGFFZ2uXlgzS2oV0LT sqlHpmiL27hUiD.KURuq88xTRAYLNk8WbRxKq8P1m9XjwvkDn7RSM7yGNabj TchccH0DwWoijqwcN9Y0iqCJh51iILm_51FpPLihOs6j_jeR2sca18_nJMws mGFYf_UyhLtypR3EMKzj38i4DQVK2lDLIosGO_xqKOkisRtBYnBUDB0c7ZjW UVI8FehjQX.h5WvHD0yk- Received: from [67.66.200.68] by web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Sep 2012 13:08:47 PDT Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 13:08:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Lindsay To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] soldering corroded copper Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks everyone. I've since cleaned the board, soldered all the connections, and carefully restaked the rivets. I cleaned it with a wire brush, scraped with an Exacto knife and coated each connection with solder flux before soldering. I then cleaned the flux away with braked cleaner. One correction. The substrate is actually 2mm thick phenolic, not glass fiber. The board is back in now and working perfectly. Thanks again for the sage advice. -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 3 18:16:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 614C92D06D4 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 18:16:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.francomm.com (mail.francomm.com [208.78.32.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA2A2D02A7 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 17:34:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pete200 (66-109-47-252.dialup.francomm.com [66.109.47.252]) by mail.francomm.com with SMTP; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 19:36:36 -0400 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <1346672538.71757.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <002101cd89d9$f52b8130$df828390$@net> Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 19:36:26 -0400 From: "Pete Chast" User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.01 (Win32) Subject: Re: [Mgs] soldering corroded copper Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Any Plumbing outlet has liquid flux. Works well.... On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 09:42:27 -0400, Chad wrote: > Get some Flux, it will eat the corrosion and allow the solder to bond. > It's > a paste when you heat up the area with soldering iron it will clean the > connection. > > Chad Cooper > '72 B Roadster > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Rick Lindsay > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 6:42 AM > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mgs] soldering corroded copper > > Hello Friends, > > Generic question for the metallurgy gifted: What chemical do you > recommend > for cleaning away copper corrosion so I can solder electrical > connections? > > Background: My '69 Silver Shadow was a techno-marvel for its day. The > entire fuse, relay and circuit breaker panel is a tough, thick, glass > fiber > printed circuit board. The connectors and fuse holders are clamped to > the > board/lands > with copper rivets. Today, 43 years later, the copper of the lands, > fuse > holders and rivets has a nice non-conductive patina causing intermittent > open circuits. I want to solder all the crimped bits together but need > to > remove the oxide first. Thus the question. > > Yes, the topic car is OT but the issue of corroded electrical connections > plagues us all. Ergo, I query the collective wizardry of the forum. > > Thanks and best regards, > > -rick > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgb72@airmail.net > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/pchast@francomm.com -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 3 18:24:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C92E2D0751 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 18:24:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5AB2D0748 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 17:35:52 -0600 (MDT) cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=tW0haWE2Y5YA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=TDHWca2pxtHuzdjkhFYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=BY7Ea9QykDSat21eIT0y/w==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.27.20] ([72.172.27.20:60988] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 59/01-21063-A6F35405; Mon, 03 Sep 2012 19:38:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 18:38:15 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: "Andrew B. Lundgren" References: <5044DDB3.8020605@byu.net> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Torn gator Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Replace the gaiters. And watch out for the crocs. :-) CR On 9/3/2012 11:41 AM, Andrew B. Lundgren wrote: > I haven't done anything with the rack and pinion on my car. I found > that one of the gators has torn open. (old and rotten) I don't know > much about these so I started looking in my manual and online and > found the entire replacement racks. > > At 40 years on the car, is this something I should consider rather > than just replacing the gators? I don't put a lot of miles on the > car, the odometer shows about 75k on it and that is probably correct > within 10k miles. > > Thanks! > > -- > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 4 01:58:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3132D2D0665 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 01:58:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3922C0CAA for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 01:38:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so2589421eek.14 for ; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 00:41:32 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:cc:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=xtYZ+R2YZooPeEjxDanS46dewKiLeslhHPCNHq8Jr2o=; b=mZRRy+XzOa9lzDq0q64/oWTkkNZjKiEhjnDjrh7kSsyCKaBZoDNZn099vGVZjegZzy EZaVBkTBY8Ol68xqOlLSDb0vax5p5rnJCnh3ry+2zGD53AkmE246W3zspzgHCrGf5oiu 6CzmpDeIkgd6aX7DfrlWdaVCCzHqVfCyajROPIcxsSylqKhsNONswbCzcwgTTWDziiBW suDyx2cML/PjFn1DgCNdkcTLAVPiUDQMZ05QHLcBrL/OzBjod90aA66yU99/G53yfW6I aZrrNiWA7o0Iu8/jvGFsXqd7atS5frm5Q7zf1SPKVAVaDCxLU36QCOCqKfAuesrrWdP3 OehQ== Received: by 10.14.215.197 with SMTP id e45mr24802839eep.36.1346744492173; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 00:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k49sm42975709een.4.2012.09.04.00.41.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 04 Sep 2012 00:41:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: , "Andrew B. Lundgren" References: <5044DDB3.8020605@byu.net> <50453F67.7020701@ktc.com> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 08:23:19 +0100 Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Torn gator Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net So I'm not the only one ... ----- Original Message ----- > Replace the gaiters. And watch out for the crocs. :-) _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 4 06:57:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0FA72D080C for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 06:57:19 -0600 (MDT) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: autox.team.net mailing list memberships reminder From: mailman-owner@autox.team.net To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 05:07:16 -0600 Errors-To: mailman-bounces@autox.team.net This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your autox.team.net mailing list memberships. It includes your subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a list. 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Passwords for mgs-archive@autox.team.net: List Password // URL ---- -------- mgs@autox.team.net icevamka http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive%40autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 4 11:35:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8067F2D0C8C for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 11:35:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAEFA2D0AC0 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 10:34:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id v2h71j0011HpZEsA64dR92; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 16:37:25 +0000 Received: from lundgren-laptop.familysearch.org ([184.73.197.243]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id v4d31j00u5FaDbs8a4d907; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 16:37:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 10:37:03 -0600 From: "Andrew B. Lundgren" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120825 Thunderbird/15.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <20120904.115034.31700.2@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Torn gaiter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the feedback. One thing I did notice is my gaiter (the torn one) is dry inside. (At least nothing is oozing out on the floor from the torn one.) That concerned me. I haven't poked at the other one yet. What wears out in there? (The oil should have been lubing something right?) I have owned the car since '96 and never had anything leaking out of the gaiters. What do I need to inspect to make sure something isn't worn out from running dry? I will take your advise on the tie rod ends. I remember one of those broken on a one of my father's trucks... It was exciting. Also, please notice the updated gator spelling... :) -- Andrew On 09/04/2012 09:50 AM, mgbob@juno.com wrote: > Opinion seems to be unanimous that replacing gaiters is the thing > to do. I would have recommended the same. > The tie rod ball joints have to come off to do the job. I the > joints are not perfect, now is a time to replace them also. > Here's how I do the job, rather more frequently than I would like > as today's rubber just does not seem to last all that long. > Remove tie-rod end from the wheel arm. Some use a fork (ok if you > are replacing the tie-rod end), some a puller, and some use two large > hammers. > Back off the lock nut one flat, then mark it or tape it to hold it > there. Unscrew the tie-rod end and count the turns as you do so. If > you re-use it, you will have the turns counted to help you put it back > on, and the lock nut to confirm its position. If you are using new > ones, at least you should be near where the alignment adjustments belong. > Cut off the old gaiter, Catch the gooey oil in a pan, each side. > Wipe it all clean, and if you have any reason to suspect grit has got > in there, spray it clean with WD40 or paint thinner or kero. > Install the new boots. Use the clamp or tie-wrap on large end, > leaving small end loose. > Specified oil is 1/3 pint of 90w gear oil. I use a syringe to squirt > it in the small ends of the gaiters. > Screw on the tie-rod ends and bring back the locknut from its parked > position. > Check the alignment. If it's ok, tighten the clamps on the small > ends and go driving. > Bob > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Andrew B. Lundgren" > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mgs] Torn gator > Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 10:41:23 -0600 > > I haven't done anything with the rack and pinion on my car. I found > that one of the gators has torn open. (old and rotten) I don't know > much about these so I started looking in my manual and online and found > the entire replacement racks. > > At 40 years on the car, is this something I should consider rather than > just replacing the gators? I don't put a lot of miles on the car, the > odometer shows about 75k on it and that is probably correct within 10k > miles. > > Thanks! > > -- > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 4 16:07:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C9B2D0BE2 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 16:07:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4052D0B1B for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:59:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-191.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.191]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q84L2N98018059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:02:25 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.32.0.111121 Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 13:57:45 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Torn gaiter Thread-Index: Ac2K3+6ohN8ORUdWdEyWc3wI4IIQvw== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Torn gaiter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I've never understood how a pool of oil at the bottom of the gaiter is supposed to lubricate the rack. The specified procedure is to jack the front wheels off the ground, remove the pinion cover and add oil slowly while moving the rack left to right and back. The clearances inside the rack are very tight, so this is a slow drop-by-drop process. But at least it gets oil on the wearing surfaces. As for your rack, if it feels tight, it's not worn. If it feels sloppy, it could be worn, or it could be some other front end component. To test the rack specifically, remove the thinnest shim from under the pinion cover. If the rack seems tighter near the center of the travel, but binds up near the extremes, it is worn -- the wear is typically concentrated near the center. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires On 9/4/12 9:37 AM, Andrew B. Lundgren at lundgren@byu.net wrote: > Thanks for the feedback. One thing I did notice is my gaiter (the torn > one) is dry inside. (At least nothing is oozing out on the floor from > the torn one.) That concerned me. I haven't poked at the other one > yet. What wears out in there? (The oil should have been lubing > something right?) > > I have owned the car since '96 and never had anything leaking out of the > gaiters. What do I need to inspect to make sure something isn't worn out > from running dry? > > I will take your advise on the tie rod ends. I remember one of those > broken on a one of my father's trucks... It was exciting. > > Also, please notice the updated gator spelling... :) > > -- > Andrew > > On 09/04/2012 09:50 AM, mgbob@juno.com wrote: >> Opinion seems to be unanimous that replacing gaiters is the thing >> to do. I would have recommended the same. >> The tie rod ball joints have to come off to do the job. I the >> joints are not perfect, now is a time to replace them also. >> Here's how I do the job, rather more frequently than I would like >> as today's rubber just does not seem to last all that long. >> Remove tie-rod end from the wheel arm. Some use a fork (ok if you >> are replacing the tie-rod end), some a puller, and some use two large >> hammers. >> Back off the lock nut one flat, then mark it or tape it to hold it >> there. Unscrew the tie-rod end and count the turns as you do so. If >> you re-use it, you will have the turns counted to help you put it back >> on, and the lock nut to confirm its position. If you are using new >> ones, at least you should be near where the alignment adjustments belong. >> Cut off the old gaiter, Catch the gooey oil in a pan, each side. >> Wipe it all clean, and if you have any reason to suspect grit has got >> in there, spray it clean with WD40 or paint thinner or kero. >> Install the new boots. Use the clamp or tie-wrap on large end, >> leaving small end loose. >> Specified oil is 1/3 pint of 90w gear oil. I use a syringe to squirt >> it in the small ends of the gaiters. >> Screw on the tie-rod ends and bring back the locknut from its parked >> position. >> Check the alignment. If it's ok, tighten the clamps on the small >> ends and go driving. >> Bob >> >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------- >> From: "Andrew B. Lundgren" >> To: mgs@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Mgs] Torn gator >> Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 10:41:23 -0600 >> >> I haven't done anything with the rack and pinion on my car. I found >> that one of the gators has torn open. (old and rotten) I don't know >> much about these so I started looking in my manual and online and found >> the entire replacement racks. >> >> At 40 years on the car, is this something I should consider rather than >> just replacing the gators? I don't put a lot of miles on the car, the >> odometer shows about 75k on it and that is probably correct within 10k >> miles. >> >> Thanks! >> >> -- >> Andrew _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 4 18:27:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95CA92D0C0A for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 18:27:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi155.prodigy.net (nlpi155.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB212D0B47 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 17:15:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-76-202-227-235.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [76.202.227.235]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi155.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q84NHoVf019112; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 18:17:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 18:17:43 -0500 To: Max Heim , MG List From: Barney Gaylord References: <50462E2F.4030905@byu.net> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Torn gaiter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Max, The "pool of oil" doesn't stay at the bottom of the gaiters, and there is good reason why it is gear oil and not grease. When you get the prescribed 6 fluid ounces of oil in the rack you can turn it from lock to lock, and you can hear the oil gurgle in and out of the gaiters and is passes back and forth through the rack assembly. That's how you know there is enough oil in it. Don't use too much oil, as that could explode the gaiters. The MGA has a Zerk fitting on top of the steering rack housing for the purpose of installing the oil, so you don't have to fiddle with the caps or covers. The small palm push oil gun is a nifty tool for this operation. MGB design deleted the Zerk fittings (just to make life difficult). The "Pinion Cap" is on the front side of the rack at the bottom end of the pinion shaft. In most cases you do not want to fiddle with shims there, as it is controlling minimal end float of the pinion gear, and it usually doesn't change much. If you take out one shim and the pinion shaft binds up, you screwed up. On top of the rack you can find two caps over spring loaded brass dampers. The one on opposite end of the rack from the pinion shaft is not so critical and is simply spring loaded with no adjustment. The one above the pinion gear will have multiple shims, commonly a lot of shims. When the brass damper plunger is new this is adjusted to minimal clearance, so if you removed one shim it would bind. As the nose end of the damper wears the spring advances the damper to keep the sliding rack at zero clearance. With a worn damper you can remove shims until it binds, then put one shim back in so it doesn't bind. But keep any shims you remove, as they ain't cheap, and you may need them one day if you install a new damper plunger. When you install a new damper plunger you can first assemble it with no shims. Turn the cap down until the rack binds, then back it off just enough so it doesn't bind. Measure the space under the cap with thickness gauges. Install enough shims to fill that gap. If you then remove one shim it will bind (so put the shim back in). The rack motion should run smooth from center to both locks, spin the steering wheel with one finger when the front wheels are off the ground. It should not bind anywhere along the travel distance. Barney At 01:57 PM 9/4/2012 -0700, Max Heim wrote: >I've never understood how a pool of oil at the bottom of the gaiter >is supposed to lubricate the rack. > >The specified procedure is to jack the front wheels off the ground, >remove the pinion cover and add oil slowly while moving the rack >left to right and back. The clearances inside the rack are very >tight, so this is a slow drop-by-drop process. But at least it gets >oil on the wearing surfaces. > >As for your rack, if it feels tight, it's not worn. If it feels >sloppy, it could be worn, or it could be some other front end >component. To test the rack specifically, remove the thinnest shim >from under the pinion cover. If the rack seems tighter near the >center of the travel, but binds up near the extremes, it is worn -- >the wear is typically concentrated near the center. >.... > >On 9/4/12 9:37 AM, Andrew B. Lundgren at lundgren@byu.net wrote: > > .... my gaiter (the torn one) is dry inside. .... That concerned > me. .... What wears out in there? (The oil should have been lubing > something right?) > > .... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 5 02:56:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1D02D097B for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 02:56:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 469542D0A7A for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 01:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaaf11 with SMTP id f11so76932eaa.14 for ; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 00:56:45 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=KT6BON47Rh3jHtoUyfX0/j/bMizO1crmHYQlQ8owd8c=; b=Elxhu1qyvDb2R8G9brXGZn1PZxE86bleqzmACFmxqIHN7zQpDIeNpCsdrIvr/GjwPx 8o0awUeWIZscZu/gN3xlcF6WJ7CZsbLxslENraiTxx/csaak303TC5qlga+s4tgRvpU+ NcRBBCqhYaId+FB+2SC7Fa6zGJ+c4/HPMOz13An6i22k+8F0R5hN+fsi+AMYep3yDl4y rU5BOX9B69Z2Xhv8VdJMAzdYIQZbEFcAZk1O7QU7PzBBQusoJYr/AzsYsUNEwL7U9bdm jjOe8WFfMKXIhR+MxAOoVWSxsVuNLPOr/9jMggwZlvkCChswMuXVioAX8IrLCPCq6cZT ClIg== Received: by 10.14.179.200 with SMTP id h48mr29592056eem.12.1346831805485; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 00:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 45sm1927503eeb.8.2012.09.05.00.56.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 05 Sep 2012 00:56:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Andrew B. Lundgren" , References: <20120904.115034.31700.2@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com> <50462E2F.4030905@byu.net> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 08:47:00 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Torn gaiter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net If oil was originally in there but leaked out from the torn gaiter then the inside of it and the rack should still be wet with oil both ends, not dry, even if it leaked out a long time ago. It can leak from the shaft bush, yoke cover plate and end float cover as well as from the ends of (or a rip in) the gaiter. I think MGA racks must have been more complex than MGB (which did originally have the lubrication nipple). The MGB only has a spring damper and shims bearing on the side of the shaft to control depth of engagement with the rack as well as sideways movement of the rack. The other end has a plain bearing which can wear, causes that end of the rack to rattle up and down, and has to be replaced. If the track rods need some force to articulate them, i.e. without a gaiter they do not drop straight down, those are OK. If in the straight ahead position there is no free play between shaft and rack then that is OK. Most wear occurs there of course, and if you fiddle with the shims under the yoke cover to remove that it will bind at either side. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Thanks for the feedback. One thing I did notice is my gaiter (the torn > one) is dry inside. (At least nothing is oozing out on the floor from > the torn one.) That concerned me. I haven't poked at the other one yet. > What wears out in there? (The oil should have been lubing something > right?) _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 5 14:06:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA7B2D0719 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:06:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D11F2D0837 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 12:02:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vcbfl13 with SMTP id fl13so1561658vcb.14 for ; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 11:04:41 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=56uN+02x+o5pqZ6kIFpJXICEyYgTjKXGY2fG07epS4U=; b=uo/yshjbm+cV/MmfXO7Y27xtot2oHFo+MEtzsyZ3zB9ojGotkjdjjCxrJ4JFMWFD1Q +A/MqwQO3HiFSqduqX+UOBCSg3/WFyKSzCpXhj16zYk3i7MR+ezD8PGX/lySD1CkAtm1 tJTU2sEFKEFnydjxe/YbuIXcoeJ/OYBbGVxiLRQFrEEeEvrsPanjDnBFndyLbaUF9Iji ycrTGz8M4P6xzJAY01V5qzE0W3q1Gjjw81Xfek3tZk0Xndd26xUuQc8kJX2G0YTQXkiL Ws9RFNTvkXVAmrN83PbyU7IzSJr3PJq2FMae2zWkTAgn/P51ErDVkEmZDyhgGPjhpkEr UV8A== Received: by 10.52.67.143 with SMTP id n15mr16520678vdt.34.1346868281275; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 11:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.6.169 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 11:04:41 -0700 (PDT) References: <50462E2F.4030905@byu.net> <201209042317.q84NHoVf019112@nlpi155.prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 11:04:41 -0700 From: Simon Matthews To: Barney Gaylord Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Torn gaiter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Barney, With the MGA, one pumps more oil in at every service on the car. Does any excess naturally leak out, or how does one tell if there is too much oil in there? Simon On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Barney Gaylord wrote: > Max, > > The "pool of oil" doesn't stay at the bottom of the gaiters, and there is > good reason why it is gear oil and not grease. When you get the prescribed > 6 fluid ounces of oil in the rack you can turn it from lock to lock, and > you can hear the oil gurgle in and out of the gaiters and is passes back > and forth through the rack assembly. That's how you know there is enough > oil in it. Don't use too much oil, as that could explode the gaiters. > > The MGA has a Zerk fitting on top of the steering rack housing for the > purpose of installing the oil, so you don't have to fiddle with the caps or > covers. The small palm push oil gun is a nifty tool for this operation. > MGB design deleted the Zerk fittings (just to make life difficult). > > The "Pinion Cap" is on the front side of the rack at the bottom end of the > pinion shaft. In most cases you do not want to fiddle with shims there, as > it is controlling minimal end float of the pinion gear, and it usually > doesn't change much. If you take out one shim and the pinion shaft binds > up, you screwed up. > > On top of the rack you can find two caps over spring loaded brass dampers. > The one on opposite end of the rack from the pinion shaft is not so > critical and is simply spring loaded with no adjustment. The one above the > pinion gear will have multiple shims, commonly a lot of shims. When the > brass damper plunger is new this is adjusted to minimal clearance, so if > you removed one shim it would bind. As the nose end of the damper wears > the spring advances the damper to keep the sliding rack at zero clearance. > With a worn damper you can remove shims until it binds, then put one shim > back in so it doesn't bind. But keep any shims you remove, as they ain't > cheap, and you may need them one day if you install a new damper plunger. > > When you install a new damper plunger you can first assemble it with no > shims. Turn the cap down until the rack binds, then back it off just > enough so it doesn't bind. Measure the space under the cap with thickness > gauges. Install enough shims to fill that gap. If you then remove one > shim it will bind (so put the shim back in). > > The rack motion should run smooth from center to both locks, spin the > steering wheel with one finger when the front wheels are off the ground. > It should not bind anywhere along the travel distance. > > Barney > > > > At 01:57 PM 9/4/2012 -0700, Max Heim wrote: > >> I've never understood how a pool of oil at the bottom of the gaiter is >> supposed to lubricate the rack. >> >> The specified procedure is to jack the front wheels off the ground, >> remove the pinion cover and add oil slowly while moving the rack left to >> right and back. The clearances inside the rack are very tight, so this is a >> slow drop-by-drop process. But at least it gets oil on the wearing surfaces. >> >> As for your rack, if it feels tight, it's not worn. If it feels sloppy, >> it could be worn, or it could be some other front end component. To test >> the rack specifically, remove the thinnest shim from under the pinion >> cover. If the rack seems tighter near the center of the travel, but binds >> up near the extremes, it is worn -- the wear is typically concentrated near >> the center. >> .... >> >> >> On 9/4/12 9:37 AM, Andrew B. Lundgren at lundgren@byu.net wrote: >> > .... my gaiter (the torn one) is dry inside. .... That concerned me. >> .... What wears out in there? (The oil should have been lubing something >> right?) >> > .... >> > ______________________________**_________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/mgs/simon.d.matthews@ > **gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 5 16:24:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B8C2D0CCD for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 16:24:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E70572D067A for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:41:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e690f.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.105.15]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0M9W00F379LF6OC0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 16:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 16:42:52 -0400 From: Steven Trovato mail.com> To: Simon Matthews , MG List References: <50462E2F.4030905@byu.net> <201209042317.q84NHoVf019112@nlpi155.prodigy.net> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Torn gaiter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Simon, I don't pump more oil in at every service. With the front wheels off the ground, I move the rack back and forth from full left turn to full right turn. I just do it from under the car by pushing on the tires. If I hear the oil squishing through from one side to the other, then all is well and I don't add anything. If the oil isn't being forced out of anywhere and the gaiters aren't straining with pressure during this process, then there isn't too much. I know you were asking Barney, and I'm sure he will respond and give my answer the official seal of approval, or disapproval, as the case may be. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 02:04 PM 9/5/2012, Simon Matthews wrote: >Barney, > >With the MGA, one pumps more oil in at every service on the car. Does any >excess naturally leak out, or how does one tell if there is too much oil in >there? > >Simon _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 5 18:05:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D2E2C07F7 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 18:05:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi129.prodigy.net (nlpi129.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DD72D0A59 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 16:43:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-76-202-228-183.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [76.202.228.183]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi129.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q85Mjdsi001070; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 17:45:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:45:37 -0500 To: Simon Matthews From: Barney Gaylord mail.com> References: <50462E2F.4030905@byu.net> <201209042317.q84NHoVf019112@nlpi155.prodigy.net> Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Torn gaiter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Simon, One does not pump more oil in at every service on the car. Lubrication instructions vary, but always at 12,000 mile interval. The Workshop Manual calls for 15 strokes gear in the rack housing, and 5 strokes oil in the pinion shaft Zerk. I will "estimate" (guess) that would be about 1 fluid ounce. ounce. A Lube Chart for MGA, published by Morris Motors Ltd, echoes the Workshop Manual. The Workshop Manual for MGA Twin Cam calls for 10 strokes gear in the rack housing, and 2 strokes oil only in the pinion shaft Zerk. A Lube Chart for the MGA Twin Cam, printed by The Nuffield Press Ltd, calls for 10 strokes in the rack and 2 strokes only on the pinion shaft. The chart says "approved by the manufacturers". If you follow these directions regularly, then in 70,000 to 100,000 miles or so you might add as much oil as the original 6 ounce fill amount. The factory apparently considered this to be acceptable. Either they expected some to leak out, or they thought that double the amount of original minimal fill was okay (or maybe both). I suppose in 100,000 miles the rubber boots were expected to fail (and be replaced if the car was still on the road), in which case the oil would be lost and you start over with the minimal 6 ounce fill. I almost never lube the steering rack after the initial 6 ounce fill. If it gurgles when moved from lock to lock I figure it has enough oil inside, so leave well enough alone. So far it has not failed in 400,000 miles, although it has had the boots replaced a couple of times and needed to be refilled. I also adjusted clearance of the inner ball joints once at about 300,000 miles. Barney At 11:04 AM 9/5/2012 -0700, Simon Matthews wrote: >.... >With the MGA, one pumps more oil in at every service on the car. >Does any excess naturally leak out, or how does one tell if there is >too much oil in there? >.... >On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Barney Gaylord >.... >The "pool of oil" doesn't stay at the bottom of the gaiters, and >there is good reason why it is gear oil and not grease. When you >get the prescribed 6 fluid ounces of oil in the rack you can turn it >from lock to lock, and you can hear the oil gurgle in and out of the >gaiters and is passes back and forth through the rack >assembly. That's how you know there is enough oil in it. Don't use >too much oil, as that could explode the gaiters. > >The MGA has a Zerk fitting on top of the steering rack housing for >the purpose of installing the oil, so you don't have to fiddle with >the caps or covers. The small palm push oil gun is a nifty tool for >this operation. MGB design deleted the Zerk fittings (just to make >life difficult). >........ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 6 18:21:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE78E2D08D8 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2012 18:21:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246B22D0935 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2012 15:50:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vbkv13 with SMTP id v13so2566819vbk.14 for ; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 14:52:53 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=2siINu8GXRe3vb748eDJHhKY5UpKpvP3I7G1c9+rQu8=; b=iSgR2Mq99C1TOkmTPXVJ3Iy0s2uwus7JiNPiOb60FlaQZLR5uW7rN8sDWI6reNIn9s h6lzMfk3tFFLIp0ZALvB/KkWrW96xWRjYVJJDxe1zJ8JMXTBojbYpTzTGysZ36NRJKDa Y8nTBKpDm8/Z4k4dHVC5J+jNwGUddTV9cSRdkgzgwwWJ5YPRsYMfwYzacmcX34FaYVBq FH5n2FbobYFqbdzEJTCpgQErodA6vHp/5lA/OKUcBV05aANcsHcReqalQvqdUOCmILEN WYJ+BhaHcbX+lVbzaEpZdBBug29phk0IbVdh5cklIka7/KeQCa5v0uRMa0AiEHwy+XZd /5Jg== Received: by 10.221.2.2 with SMTP id ns2mr4282728vcb.74.1346968373613; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 14:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.59.6.101 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Sep 2012 14:52:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <1346672538.71757.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 15:52:53 -0600 From: Henri Lefebvre <71mgbgt@gmail.com> To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] soldering corroded copper Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net A bit late with my response, but earlier this summer I noticed that the back of the fuse block on my MGB GT was dirty and had surface corrosion. I soaked it in 7% vinegar which helped a lot, then I applied some 'Spray Nine' solution and cleaned the rivets with a small brass brush. Next I soaked the block in a baking soda solution for a minute or two, to neutralize and rinsed with water. Once the block was dry I applied some solder to each rivet to ensure a good contact with the tabs and finished with a coat of 'Brush On Electrical Tape' to seal the rivets and tab area. I expect I will not need to worry much about the fuse block. Henri On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Rick Lindsay wrote: > Hello Friends, > > Generic question for the metallurgy gifted: What chemical do you recommend > for cleaning away copper corrosion so I can solder electrical connections? > > Background: My '69 Silver Shadow was a techno-marvel for its day. The entire > fuse, relay and circuit breaker panel is a tough, thick, glass fiber printed > circuit board. The connectors and fuse holders are clamped to the board/lands > with copper rivets. Today, 43 years later, the copper of the lands, fuse > holders and rivets has a nice non-conductive patina causing intermittent open > circuits. I want to solder all the crimped bits together but need to remove > the oxide first. Thus the question. > > Yes, the topic car is OT but the issue of corroded electrical connections > plagues us all. Ergo, I query the collective wizardry of the forum. > > Thanks and best regards, > > -rick > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/71mgbgt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 7 00:35:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45802D0B83 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2012 00:35:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBF52D07CE for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2012 22:28:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.128.143.53]) by hrndva-qmta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20120907021755224.PVBY11114@hrndva-qmta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2012 02:17:55 +0000 a=LfXEknhwUSklrTJykD/pXw==:17 a=PxuUwoQYziwA:10 a=gBRH8g8WIRgA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=iVrhjPUxXi0A:10 a=TBtZzN9piDbBHxdEQoQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=LfXEknhwUSklrTJykD/pXw==:117 Received: from [72.185.240.214] ([72.185.240.214:49626] helo=[172.16.0.4]) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id B6/E9-17584-AD859405; Fri, 07 Sep 2012 02:15:55 +0000 From: "W. David Houser" Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 22:15:54 -0400 To: MGList List Subject: [Mgs] 67 MKI upper steering column nylon bearing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Listers, Has anyone replaced this bearing at the top of the steering column between the outer and inner shafts of their early MGB? I was hoping to remove the top bolt from the steering universal, pull out the top inner shaft and then remove the old bushing and replace the new one to take up the play I have there. Then hopefully replace the inner shaft. Is there another/easier way to go about this? I haven't found a thing online or in any of the collection of MGB books that I have. TIA, _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 7 03:40:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36982D0A42 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2012 03:40:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB922D0867 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2012 02:05:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaaf11 with SMTP id f11so944684eaa.14 for ; Fri, 07 Sep 2012 01:08:15 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=16cKumPiGQ5vZ+5DMBkdIlKNKqfHgRH7GDY4MSNNgJ8=; b=Nt2S6r/QLXjtxTBKg70uQM3X6AVxISkobuj0DNtfa/aBUGVmCv7g/DIItIJLjgcL9M 0a1xxXaO4oQHQykO6fFG7ixzthMbmxvppPqE/0PvZ4xDHrqLfyOG9bEUUTAIei8Pn8LF F/C+U5u4I5ekTEA4ZxCj3W0D8Bp5n/IJmBvSppAJBzOq0XlTwEmhvNXnls8BomwmRo3l 4cnvyMIkFEBfPLWmUXHv0NwR9Di9m0wjwntltHQXi3qCf4EuWNYTru1fOwG1tZRekQyI c0wnm6qpXLaHHGS4X3+kqOS2xjWWizhh1wIu7rk9y88tgdwVr3pa/rzCZyLlU1Clom62 boyw== Received: by 10.14.4.198 with SMTP id 46mr6643231eej.11.1347005295787; Fri, 07 Sep 2012 01:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a7sm12400635eep.14.2012.09.07.01.08.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 07 Sep 2012 01:08:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Henri Lefebvre" <71mgbgt@gmail.com>, References: <1346672538.71757.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 08:55:48 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] soldering corroded copper Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The thing is that the spades are riveted to the fuse holder so that as the wiring as attached and removed the spades can swivel a bit without twisting the fuseholder part. They could have made the recess for the spades a closer tolerance so they couldn't swivel, but they didn't. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Once the block was dry I applied some solder to each rivet to ensure a > good contact with the tabs _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 7 03:41:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EAEA2D0AC1 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2012 03:41:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49ECF2D086B for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2012 02:05:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so1212870eek.14 for ; Fri, 07 Sep 2012 01:08:17 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=qH63mQjAGeZYH4dyGWDul764U8b00Qn7HV+2agFwI1E=; b=F741vwczIgaQDaIFakALqMwJB6JwqvbS8jwav/8UneTUAS8LLSwOVdBsz8Yx6S0vyG umONJTgj2yo0meHXHgvUp2dEC9l36RdmxzTw8amLLFLpDAEtHKBRwQLK6pFEpCQsVfNE 12A5gJ7LqKfaHYFDOwThiuD5FRzxA/cXyZjKKtDA10cDFz0Yz3Op/S9v8daklRXO14NU N3dNv0cUtJERn2cKvU1AT8qIGzmCtZtl+BY4w1BIGXSs0NNOHgYVoMaSvj88xrS55a37 K019HyLZxmpwlDDaNwUeOMdSN4sRAMlXjTepDNsBTbkxdrgaflMS6EE8DSffuiEabmUZ kGdA== Received: by 10.14.218.134 with SMTP id k6mr6610738eep.14.1347005296993; Fri, 07 Sep 2012 01:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a7sm12400635eep.14.2012.09.07.01.08.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 07 Sep 2012 01:08:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "W. David Houser" , "MGList List" References: <140AEC1F-1A67-40CE-8B76-7551DA4D57F0@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:00:43 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 67 MKI upper steering column nylon bearing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net You should be able to do that on a North American Mk1 (pre 1972 models elsewhere), as far as I'm aware on non-collapsible columns it does just pull straight out, it was a separately quoted part. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > I was hoping to remove the top bolt from the steering universal, pull out > the > top inner shaft and then remove the old bushing and replace the new one to > take up the play I have there. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 7 11:24:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9A32D063A for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2012 11:24:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95FD2D020F for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2012 10:37:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-172.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.172]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q87GeP2i011782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:40:28 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.32.0.111121 Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2012 09:39:41 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] 67 MKI upper steering column nylon bearing Thread-Index: Ac2NF2C3bPOs9nfCT0e0j7NoZkMAdw== Subject: Re: [Mgs] 67 MKI upper steering column nylon bearing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm pretty sure I used the nylon bushing on my 66 B, and it wasn't a tremendous hassle. I can't really recall the details, though. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 9/6/12 7:15 PM, W. David Houser at mgs4dave@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > Listers, > Has anyone replaced this bearing at the top of the steering column between the > outer and inner shafts of their early MGB? > I was hoping to remove the top bolt from the steering universal, pull out the > top inner shaft and then remove the old bushing and replace the new one to > take up the play I have there. Then hopefully replace the inner shaft. Is > there another/easier way to go about this? I haven't found a thing online or > in any of the collection of MGB books that I have. > TIA, _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 7 11:32:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B852C0B47 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2012 11:32:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from SA-HOSTEDEXCH.shared.adtihosting.com (ip-66-179-11-204.name-host.com [66.179.11.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A712D0654 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2012 11:29:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SM-HOSTEDEXCH.shared.adtihosting.com ([2002:42b3:bca::42b3:bca]) by SA-HOSTEDEXCH.shared.adtihosting.com ([fe80::1b1:db6c:67ce:e964%10]) with mapi id 14.01.0218.012; Fri, 7 Sep 2012 13:32:20 -0400 From: Rick Starkweather To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] 67 MKI upper steering column nylon bearing Thread-Index: AQHNjMO+ZL7ytvGn7Em3YLV+/rEQcJd/WEiA///LpIA= Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 17:32:18 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US user-agent: Microsoft-Entourage/13.13.0.120411 x-originating-ip: [70.46.255.210] x-ms-exchange-transport-rules-loop: 0 Content-ID: <344A31D1A1D1914288E1F3D3686CB6C2@shared.adtihosting.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] 67 MKI upper steering column nylon bearing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave: I've got my steering column apart right now as I am "rebuilding" it (repaint, new nylon bushing, new felt seal). I had no problem removing the old nylon bushing once the inner shaft was removed. Just need a screwdriver to press a small detent in the bushing. Rick Rick Starkweather, Partner | O: 919-781-4191 | M: 919-345-9871 ScottMadden Inc. | 2626 Glenwood Ave, #480 | Raleigh, NC 27608 | scottmadden.com rstarkweather@scottmadden.com > From: Max Heim > Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:39:41 -0700 > To: MG List > Subject: Re: [Mgs] 67 MKI upper steering column nylon bearing > > I'm pretty sure I used the nylon bushing on my 66 B, and it wasn't a > tremendous hassle. I can't really recall the details, though. > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > on 9/6/12 7:15 PM, W. David Houser at mgs4dave@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > >> Listers, >> Has anyone replaced this bearing at the top of the steering column between >> the >> outer and inner shafts of their early MGB? >> I was hoping to remove the top bolt from the steering universal, pull out the >> top inner shaft and then remove the old bushing and replace the new one to >> take up the play I have there. Then hopefully replace the inner shaft. Is >> there another/easier way to go about this? I haven't found a thing online or >> in any of the collection of MGB books that I have. >> TIA, > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/rstarkweather@scottmadden.com ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission contains information that is confidential, privileged, or proprietary. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message, any part of it, or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please delete this message and any attachments from your system without reading the content and notify the sender immediately of the inadvertent transmission. 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I know NOTHING ! ! ! NFI either - LOL ! ! ! Just a P.S.A. in case someone needs some late Model "B" parts ! ! ! Write Carl, NOT me ! ! ! Ed* ************************************************************************************** -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [MG-MGB] Free MGB, 78 or 79 Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2012 19:14:50 -0400 From: Carl H I am about to get this 1978 (or 77, or 79) MGB convertible towed away to the scrap yard. If anyone wants it, for free, come get it and I'll happily lose the $200 scrap bonus just to see her go to a some better use. Engine is gone or in pieces, wheels will be gone, but windshield, dash, hoods, trunk & luggage chrome, shocks, non-OD tranny, other bits etc all very useable. Car is near Frederick Md; I could tow to anywhere within 50 or so miles if need be. No title, numbers, anything. Bought a few years ago on ebay as parts car, took engine and lights, and she's ready for the next adventurous soul to adopt her. Lemmie know soon - wife (AND NEIGBORS) want it gone.. You can email me direct at chatten at Verizon dot net Thanks, Carl __,_._,___ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 8 09:45:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519D52D0652 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 09:45:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1792D039F for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 09:45:29 -0600 (MDT) a=LfXEknhwUSklrTJykD/pXw==:17 a=PxuUwoQYziwA:10 a=qlSUKIvLUA0A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=28Zd1ZaLC3sA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=mlReC33dIfyBBIa7xPcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=LfXEknhwUSklrTJykD/pXw==:117 Received: from [72.185.240.214] ([72.185.240.214:49231] helo=[172.16.0.4]) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 80/28-01394-6C86B405; Sat, 08 Sep 2012 15:48:22 +0000 From: "W. David Houser" Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 11:48:21 -0400 References: To: Max Heim Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] 67 MKI upper steering column nylon bearing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks all for the responses. Cheers, Dave On Sep 7, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Max Heim wrote: > I'm pretty sure I used the nylon bushing on my 66 B, and it wasn't a > tremendous hassle. I can't really recall the details, though. > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > on 9/6/12 7:15 PM, W. David Houser at mgs4dave@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > >> Listers, >> Has anyone replaced this bearing at the top of the steering column between the >> outer and inner shafts of their early MGB? >> I was hoping to remove the top bolt from the steering universal, pull out the >> top inner shaft and then remove the old bushing and replace the new one to >> take up the play I have there. Then hopefully replace the inner shaft. Is >> there another/easier way to go about this? I haven't found a thing online or >> in any of the collection of MGB books that I have. >> TIA, > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs4dave@tampabay.rr.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 8 14:59:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDEE72D0690 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 14:59:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB952D063D for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 14:58:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews12.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.179]) by cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 8 Sep 2012 23:01:48 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT105.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.21]) by cpsps-ews12.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sat, 8 Sep 2012 23:01:48 +0200 Received: from uw471de61b465c ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT105.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sat, 8 Sep 2012 23:01:48 +0200 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 23:01:49 +0200 FILETIME=[296073A0:01CD8E05] Subject: [Mgs] Drive shaft balanced Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, After some tests at several revs of the engine and speed I finally found, that some vibrations between the speed of 50 and 70 m/h are caused by I think an unbalanced driveshaft between the gearbox and the differential gear. What is the cause of this? Can this be rebalanced and if so - how? Is it easier to replace the driveshaft with a used one instead of rebalancing the one, which is on the car? Cheers, Hans 71 BGT no overdrive _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 8 15:28:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A072D04FD for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 15:28:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 308672D0627 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 15:24:43 -0600 (MDT) cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=tW0haWE2Y5YA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=jPijXpz-dm8KqRj4CAEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=flVb9bqvLWj6LuXeD0Hx3w==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [75.91.227.221] ([75.91.227.221:61400] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 9F/8C-06055-848BB405; Sat, 08 Sep 2012 17:27:36 -0400 Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2012 16:27:23 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: Hans Duinhoven References: <74D98A3098744B7C89AD9D351FFF0004@uw471de61b465c> Cc: mgs@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Drive shaft balanced Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Are you sure it's not a U-joint going bad? CR On 9/8/2012 4:01 PM, Hans Duinhoven wrote: > Hi, > > After some tests at several revs of the engine and speed I finally > found, that some vibrations between the speed of 50 and 70 m/h are > caused by I think an unbalanced driveshaft between the gearbox and the > differential gear. > What is the cause of this? > Can this be rebalanced and if so - how? > Is it easier to replace the driveshaft with a used one instead of > rebalancing the one, which is on the car? > > > Cheers, > > Hans > 71 BGT > no overdrive _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 8 19:39:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14F62D064D for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 19:39:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084182D0639 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 19:39:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-172.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.172]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q891gW1T003677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 18:42:35 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.32.0.111121 Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2012 18:24:34 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Drive shaft balanced Thread-Index: Ac2OKd5rZnbF0roR9Eu0Qiqt90GncA== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Drive shaft balanced Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The other thing to check is that it is assembled correctly. It can be taken apart at the sliding spline. When reassembled, the u-joint yokes need to be parallel. If the spline is off a tooth, it will vibrate. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 9/8/12 2:27 PM, Charley & Peggy Robinson at ccrobins@ktc.com wrote: > Are you sure it's not a U-joint going bad? > > CR > > On 9/8/2012 4:01 PM, Hans Duinhoven wrote: >> Hi, >> >> After some tests at several revs of the engine and speed I finally >> found, that some vibrations between the speed of 50 and 70 m/h are >> caused by I think an unbalanced driveshaft between the gearbox and the >> differential gear. >> What is the cause of this? >> Can this be rebalanced and if so - how? >> Is it easier to replace the driveshaft with a used one instead of >> rebalancing the one, which is on the car? >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Hans >> 71 BGT >> no overdrive _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 01:20:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07EF42D069E for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 01:20:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C702D0650 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 01:14:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews08.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.175]) by cpsmtpb-ews10.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 9 Sep 2012 09:17:39 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT106.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.22]) by cpsps-ews08.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sun, 9 Sep 2012 09:17:38 +0200 Received: from uw471de61b465c ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT106.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sun, 9 Sep 2012 09:17:38 +0200 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: References: <74D98A3098744B7C89AD9D351FFF0004@uw471de61b465c> <504BB83B.7010102@ktc.com> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 09:17:39 +0200 FILETIME=[3142C540:01CD8E5B] Cc: mgs@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Drive shaft balanced Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Good question. But - the vibration is in for many years, but as the car's mishap becomes a bit irritating. A few weeks ago the GT has been safety tested (bi-annual as it is a classic). Play in the UJ's is always verified as part this safety test, so I assume the joints are ok. Cheers, Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charley & Peggy Robinson" To: "Hans Duinhoven" Cc: Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Drive shaft balanced > Are you sure it's not a U-joint going bad? > > CR > > On 9/8/2012 4:01 PM, Hans Duinhoven wrote: >> Hi, >> >> After some tests at several revs of the engine and speed I finally found, >> that some vibrations between the speed of 50 and 70 m/h are caused by I >> think an unbalanced driveshaft between the gearbox and the differential >> gear. >> What is the cause of this? >> Can this be rebalanced and if so - how? >> Is it easier to replace the driveshaft with a used one instead of >> rebalancing the one, which is on the car? >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Hans >> 71 BGT >> no overdrive _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 01:20:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729A72D06E6 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 01:20:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews07.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews07.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC99F2D065D for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 01:17:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews08.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.175]) by cpsmtpb-ews07.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 9 Sep 2012 09:20:02 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT109.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.28]) by cpsps-ews08.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sun, 9 Sep 2012 09:20:02 +0200 Received: from uw471de61b465c ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT109.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sun, 9 Sep 2012 09:20:02 +0200 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "Max Heim" , "MG List" References: Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 09:20:03 +0200 FILETIME=[86FEB520:01CD8E5B] Subject: Re: [Mgs] Drive shaft balanced Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Max, I'll verify this - if that's the case, it is easy to correct. Cheers, Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Heim" To: "MG List" Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Drive shaft balanced > The other thing to check is that it is assembled correctly. It can be > taken > apart at the sliding spline. When reassembled, the u-joint yokes need to > be > parallel. If the spline is off a tooth, it will vibrate. > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > > on 9/8/12 2:27 PM, Charley & Peggy Robinson at ccrobins@ktc.com wrote: > >> Are you sure it's not a U-joint going bad? >> >> CR >> >> On 9/8/2012 4:01 PM, Hans Duinhoven wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> After some tests at several revs of the engine and speed I finally >>> found, that some vibrations between the speed of 50 and 70 m/h are >>> caused by I think an unbalanced driveshaft between the gearbox and the >>> differential gear. >>> What is the cause of this? >>> Can this be rebalanced and if so - how? >>> Is it easier to replace the driveshaft with a used one instead of >>> rebalancing the one, which is on the car? >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Hans >>> 71 BGT >>> no overdrive _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/h.duinhoven@planet.nl _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 03:40:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DABC92D06A1 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 03:40:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi155.prodigy.net (nlpi155.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7322D0675 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 03:38:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-75-5-66-18.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [75.5.66.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi155.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q899fKXQ017274; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 04:41:21 -0500 Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2012 04:41:19 -0500 To: "Hans Duinhoven" , From: Barney Gaylord References: <74D98A3098744B7C89AD9D351FFF0004@uw471de61b465c> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Drive shaft balanced Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net There are three different propshafts for MGA, and you didn't say which model car. See here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/propshaft/ps101.htm 1.) Don't assume anything. Always check the facts. It there is any perceptible freeplay in a U-joint replace it. See here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/propshaft/ps202.htm 2.) If it is a late 1500 or 1600 type with 2-piece propshaft (fange at front), there might be wear and freeplay in the sliding spline just aft of the front U-joint. 3.) The spline joint may also be assembled wrong. Axis of the two U-joints have to be aligned in same plane to avoid vibration, See here: http://chicagolandmgclub.com/driveline00/0404/drshafts.html 4.) It is possible to install an early 1500 propshaft with a mid 1500 gearbox. In that case the coupling spline is a mismatched size and wil not be engaged far enough, which can cause very odd wear on the spline. That itself should not caue vibration, as the front yoke is carried in a sleeve bearing that is same diameter for either propshaft. However, the short engagement length can lead to premature wear on the sleeve bearing. 5.) The sleeve bearing is very commonly worn. I suppose every early or mid 1500 type gearbox needs to have the sleeve bearing repalced if it has not been done before. Running clearance is originally like a crankshaft bearing, 0.002" on the diameter, or 0.001" clearance on the radius for oil film. When the sleeve bearing is worn the front yoke of the propshaft can wobble around with exactly same results as a loose U-joint (vibration). The radial motion will also make oil seals fail prematurely. When the sleeve bearing is badly worn it can make the propshaft yoke and gearbox tail housing catastrophically self destuct (same as having very loose crankshaft bearings). If the front U-joint is tight but the yoke moves, then the sleeve bearing needs to be replaced. See here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/gearbox/gt104.htm Barney At 11:01 PM 9/8/2012 +0200, Hans Duinhoven wrote: >.... >After some tests at several revs of the engine and speed I finally >found, that some vibrations between the speed of 50 and 70 m/h are >caused by I think an unbalanced driveshaft between the gearbox and >the differential gear. >What is the cause of this? >Can this be rebalanced and if so - how? >Is it easier to replace the driveshaft with a used one instead of >rebalancing the one, which is on the car? >.... At 09:17 AM 9/9/2012 +0200, Hans Duinhoven wrote: >.... the vibration is in for many years .... >.... >Play in the UJ's is always verified as part this safety test, so I >assume the joints are ok. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 08:23:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6612D02A3 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 08:23:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667ED2D0210 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 08:22:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so646839eek.14 for ; Sun, 09 Sep 2012 07:25:45 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=cuMrAfgsrrbfNaoAWEckeVxi9djuNmsRAyNHijS4c7w=; b=nIAvAwAlVvG3K23AwYZrQ7DmpYhOOFyPfigqQGuKht1GunJdijSO2k88EfNKWtbU15 F8TxCqbpsrwMzTx3XkPNKoCEIqOmP79vbmKs+nLoFqa3C1y7U5frOIEE9sDuQvC8seq5 XahrPz6MiY28q/TN3oaaf3F/b0ZBhBFUrwqEhVERLmcADv/mv0VbQTbvSGINYv1ObJSO /AVckLX4KXePnefi5JtylDXWUfppHBh9e3FNJ8PMAdxe9iDoq+HILi9YavCVgNgUghXz b+P42QAKyd2t8esxyauDGZ8t8EVPZrfbX017/L5dvrUCaKKdWy4EymUIPNACvv+yP1iu F27A== Received: by 10.14.215.197 with SMTP id e45mr15422768eep.36.1347200745069; Sun, 09 Sep 2012 07:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 45sm30004922eed.17.2012.09.09.07.25.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 09 Sep 2012 07:25:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Hans Duinhoven" , References: <74D98A3098744B7C89AD9D351FFF0004@uw471de61b465c> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 15:17:10 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Drive shaft balanced Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net New driveshafts are balanced off car on a machine so should be capable of being fitted to any car and run true, but it does depend on the trueness of the shafts in the gearbox and diff of course. It's easy to check the UJs yourself, grasp the shaft and flange and try and turn them in opposite directions and see if you get any play, also for sideways play along the length of each arm of the 'spider. The Workshop Manual makes great play about marking the flanges if you remove a prop-shaft from a car in order to replace it in the original position. A nice to have, but irrelevant as far as balance goes because of the off-car balancing that was done on it in the first place. What isn't mentioned, but is vital, is to mark the all four *UJ yokes* before dismantling, get those back wrong and balance will be compromised. This will ensure that the UJs at each end have the correct orientation relative to one another, which is something else mentioned in the manuals. However Haynes (my edition at least) shows the incorrect exploded orientation but the correct assembled orientation. The Leyland Workshop Manual (again my edition) shows it correct in both cases. You can check this, which will show if the sliding joint has been reassembled incorrectly, but either shaft yoke could still be 180 degrees out with each other, and either flange yoke could also be 180 degrees out with its partner. There is some evidence that the each half of the sliding joint should have arrows to ensure correct reassembly, but not all prop-shafts seem to have the marks, and they can be very indistinct, see http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/propshafttext.htm#yokes Even with that you can still get the flange yokes 180 degrees out unless you mark them first. If the UJ came to you with the car then a PO may have dismantled it and got it wrong, it might be worth comparing the cost of testing/rebalancing against the cost of a replacement shaft (and hope *that* has been balanced correctly ...). Note that prop-shaft vibration would normally be evident at a given road speed in various gears, not just one gear. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > After some tests at several revs of the engine and speed I finally found, > that some vibrations between the speed of 50 and 70 m/h are caused by I > think an unbalanced driveshaft between the gearbox and the differential > gear. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 10:05:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB4F32C0D19 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 10:05:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DF42C0C18 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 09:58:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbbro12 with SMTP id ro12so1491337pbb.14 for ; Sun, 09 Sep 2012 09:01:25 -0700 (PDT) h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=X5j4jO3eaWK8BLm4XgI0OgRT12SUmxIQtya/DHqBiGI=; b=r6y88hT/r2KpiVKnRSXfWJf6my1gtRRRHTv4cT+blPbKxdwODvu7tT+5BQLQUWt2/P 4m/cSfE+MwRhYqadmvHQhFqQrpEih/eQSJdIYvtqwmtc2sfDsng9fsAx9H4xCkysBkdQ S8riKAk3fln5/LbGpB27Ul/ad5AK0QB/caJJNji/pKzWojJ9Y+qfB8CCV8QSUURE4yPl W/6ppvtipQq4eGzMSHz48ZP08rhuWBcT6qP6lstJfjUulPHP3LT3sZ6/8Wd79Uo+VCwt INJOChFPFL9w3Yt3l4Hg8JtJTqlztTGQcGUz+tPLcMzCkjlc6FNj0rjJzQVyGMWpdndD 22Kw== Received: by 10.66.83.8 with SMTP id m8mr16900239pay.48.1347206485415; Sun, 09 Sep 2012 09:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.8] (cpe-76-93-72-182.socal.res.rr.com. [76.93.72.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id kt2sm6404094pbc.73.2012.09.09.09.01.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 09 Sep 2012 09:01:23 -0700 (PDT) References: <74D98A3098744B7C89AD9D351FFF0004@uw471de61b465c> <504BB83B.7010102@ktc.com> <583C2C8C15EC4CC689513F5A4740700B@uw471de61b465c> From: Richard Ewald Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 09:01:22 -0700 To: Hans Duinhoven Cc: "mgs@Autox.Team.Net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Drive shaft balanced Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net U joints can fail in other ways than excessive play. Grabbing and wiggling in place is not a comprehensive test. Joints can and often do get the needles frozen in place and will no longer rotate smoothly. This induces a vibration. To check for this unbolt the flange and rotate the joint by hand. My guess I'd that if the yokes are assembled correctly you have a almost frozen u joint. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 9, 2012, at 0:17, "Hans Duinhoven" wrote: > Good question. But - the vibration is in for many years, but as the car's mishap becomes a bit irritating. > A few weeks ago the GT has been safety tested (bi-annual as it is a classic). > Play in the UJ's is always verified as part this safety test, so I assume the joints are ok. > > Cheers, > Hans > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charley & Peggy Robinson" > To: "Hans Duinhoven" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 11:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Drive shaft balanced > > >> Are you sure it's not a U-joint going bad? >> >> CR >> >> On 9/8/2012 4:01 PM, Hans Duinhoven wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> After some tests at several revs of the engine and speed I finally found, that some vibrations between the speed of 50 and 70 m/h are caused by I think an unbalanced driveshaft between the gearbox and the differential gear. >>> What is the cause of this? >>> Can this be rebalanced and if so - how? >>> Is it easier to replace the driveshaft with a used one instead of rebalancing the one, which is on the car? >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Hans >>> 71 BGT >>> no overdrive _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Mgs@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richard.ewald@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 13:56:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3756A2C0CAE for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 13:56:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C972C0CA5 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 13:53:44 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=melfrankus@carolina.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=seAicKK4hS0A:10 a=zo8hvysWAAAA:8 a=5tvOdLsWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=kf4BdH4cAAAA:20 a=9N3UaEfJuXesNwl0iAAA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=zVoANhWWT6YA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=dWGg4ZkbB3IA:10 a=df6Wcvlz61YA:10 a=jg-qXYAucpoA:10 a=FydclQSCnV4A:10 a=M9wi1zWtvKmOCzV4vqnM4A==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.189] ([10.127.132.189:57878] helo=cdptpa-web38-z02.mail.rr.com) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 37/5D-21812-674FC405; Sun, 09 Sep 2012 19:56:38 +0000 Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 15:56:38 -0400 From: To: Barney Gaylord , mgs@Autox.Team.Net, Hans Duinhoven Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Mgs] Drive shaft balanced Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Like Hans I have a 71 BGT. My fellow MG owners have observed my mechanical ability and cautioned I would commit sucide with a wrench. So when my UJ's wobbled and driveshaft wiggled, it was safer for me to just buy and install a whole new assembly. The cost was under $200 from several available US suppliers and the exchange was straighforward, simple, quick and fairly idiot proof. Mel. --- - Barney Gaylord wrote: > There are three different propshafts for MGA, and you didn't say > which model car. See here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/propshaft/ps101.htm > > 1.) Don't assume anything. Always check the facts. It there is any > perceptible freeplay in a U-joint replace it. See here: > http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/propshaft/ps202.htm > > 2.) If it is a late 1500 or 1600 type with 2-piece propshaft (fange > at front), there might be wear and freeplay in the sliding spline > just aft of the front U-joint. > > 3.) The spline joint may also be assembled wrong. Axis of the two > U-joints have to be aligned in same plane to avoid vibration, See > here: http://chicagolandmgclub.com/driveline00/0404/drshafts.html > > 4.) It is possible to install an early 1500 propshaft with a mid > 1500 gearbox. In that case the coupling spline is a mismatched size > and wil not be engaged far enough, which can cause very odd wear on > the spline. That itself should not caue vibration, as the front yoke > is carried in a sleeve bearing that is same diameter for either > propshaft. However, the short engagement length can lead to > premature wear on the sleeve bearing. > > 5.) The sleeve bearing is very commonly worn. I suppose every early > or mid 1500 type gearbox needs to have the sleeve bearing repalced if > it has not been done before. Running clearance is originally like a > crankshaft bearing, 0.002" on the diameter, or 0.001" clearance on > the radius for oil film. When the sleeve bearing is worn the front > yoke of the propshaft can wobble around with exactly same results as > a loose U-joint (vibration). The radial motion will also make oil > seals fail prematurely. When the sleeve bearing is badly worn it can > make the propshaft yoke and gearbox tail housing catastrophically > self destuct (same as having very loose crankshaft bearings). If the > front U-joint is tight but the yoke moves, then the sleeve bearing > needs to be replaced. See here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/gearbox/gt104.htm > > Barney > > > At 11:01 PM 9/8/2012 +0200, Hans Duinhoven wrote: > >.... > >After some tests at several revs of the engine and speed I finally > >found, that some vibrations between the speed of 50 and 70 m/h are > >caused by I think an unbalanced driveshaft between the gearbox and > >the differential gear. > >What is the cause of this? > >Can this be rebalanced and if so - how? > >Is it easier to replace the driveshaft with a used one instead of > >rebalancing the one, which is on the car? > >.... > > At 09:17 AM 9/9/2012 +0200, Hans Duinhoven wrote: > >.... the vibration is in for many years .... > >.... > >Play in the UJ's is always verified as part this safety test, so I > >assume the joints are ok. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/melfrankus@carolina.rr.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 10 01:33:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926FA2C0CCC for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 01:33:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D3A2C0C29 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 01:33:00 -0600 (MDT) cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=tW0haWE2Y5YA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=pxnlQwqvAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=1J1kycyiNG4hRJRhCnUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=YgBeSDbxUyAA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=LQsxop8K-Qud3Prd:21 a=YrSBm-X8YAb49xIv:21 a=flVb9bqvLWj6LuXeD0Hx3w==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [75.91.227.221] ([75.91.227.221:60266] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 05/0F-21063-A589D405; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 03:35:54 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 02:35:51 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: PaulHunt73 References: <74D98A3098744B7C89AD9D351FFF0004@uw471de61b465c> <5E3E73099981442BB929039CB875D361@paul> Cc: mgs@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Drive shaft balanced Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fine post Paul, especially the link. BTW, you sure live in an interesting place. O.T. : A shame about the O. Bird statue vandalism. How did that come out? CR On 9/9/2012 9:17 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > New driveshafts are balanced off car on a machine so should be capable > of being fitted to any car and run true, but it does depend on the > trueness of the shafts in the gearbox and diff of course. It's easy > to check the UJs yourself, grasp the shaft and flange and try and turn > them in opposite directions and see if you get any play, also for > sideways play along the length of each arm of the 'spider. > > The Workshop Manual makes great play about marking the flanges if you > remove a prop-shaft from a car in order to replace it in the original > position. A nice to have, but irrelevant as far as balance goes > because of the off-car balancing that was done on it in the first > place. What isn't mentioned, but is vital, is to mark the all four *UJ > yokes* before dismantling, get those back wrong and balance will be > compromised. This will ensure that the UJs at each end have the > correct orientation relative to one another, which is something else > mentioned in the manuals. However Haynes (my edition at least) shows > the incorrect exploded orientation but the correct assembled > orientation. The Leyland Workshop Manual (again my edition) shows it > correct in both cases. You can check this, which will show if the > sliding joint has been reassembled incorrectly, but either shaft yoke > could still be 180 degrees out with each other, and either flange yoke > could also be 180 degrees out with its partner. There is some > evidence that the each half of the sliding joint should have arrows to > ensure correct reassembly, but not all prop-shafts seem to have the > marks, and they can be very indistinct, see > http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/propshafttext.htm#yokes > > Even with that you can still get the flange yokes 180 degrees out > unless you mark them first. If the UJ came to you with the car then a > PO may have dismantled it and got it wrong, it might be worth > comparing the cost of testing/rebalancing against the cost of a > replacement shaft (and hope *that* has been balanced correctly ...). > > Note that prop-shaft vibration would normally be evident at a given > road speed in various gears, not just one gear. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> After some tests at several revs of the engine and speed I finally >> found, that some vibrations between the speed of 50 and 70 m/h are >> caused by I think an unbalanced driveshaft between the gearbox and >> the differential gear. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 10 03:27:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CED92C0B91 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 03:27:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595F62C0CC4 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 03:27:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so1065850eek.14 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 02:30:29 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:cc:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=AeU5QfDxsaIApEJDzaScRquF/TCF622QcKxtMVL6nmQ=; b=CWXxek+EmVbV8vdWSdvC0z4LdJ8wA1jLWQohVwwSa2zoIryt7R8mEpgZ1w/kpel3Vf DaQxhWp0Gs3k8ux8mjr1wy0Mg60aWEakLD8G5bhW0MVkOPrrC7zDH3URflK6ppAXY4Gt lK3H7GaTa4YUMixCvjZ0/X/50d5AtHJOAItZVIkIyWDG4gvqyf7DuRhCXbtHYo3i7kpj mXPUhau2VmJD5hYvf2Dvmwr1BLbCnSbZvkEASAVZQD44jXDwGQMfJFONlikmie7lnmWl J7xQ8GQNwwxzquBfmzcTocj/aT4WZzQXedYsewVm954gCRg+ukdOQ9JQmEA/ErkQB+/P pTKw== Received: by 10.204.152.216 with SMTP id h24mr3490620bkw.42.1347269429035; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 02:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t23sm6392822bks.4.2012.09.10.02.30.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 10 Sep 2012 02:30:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Hans Duinhoven" References: <74D98A3098744B7C89AD9D351FFF0004@uw471de61b465c><504BB83B.7010102@ktc.com><583C2C8C15EC4CC689513F5A4740700B@uw471de61b465c> <2101D214-9AA0-4B83-8397-4AC29F206F0B@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 10:27:12 +0100 Cc: mgs@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Drive shaft balanced Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Had that, it caused the gear lever to ride up and down as the prop-shaft rotated. ----- Original Message ----- > Joints can and often do get the needles frozen in place and will no longer > rotate smoothly. This induces a vibration. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 10 09:16:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77392C0D2B for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 09:16:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D752C0D0B for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 09:13:48 -0600 (MDT) a=LfXEknhwUSklrTJykD/pXw==:17 a=PxuUwoQYziwA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=beT7QgHryFNR7dB_h6gA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=LfXEknhwUSklrTJykD/pXw==:117 Received: from [72.185.240.214] ([72.185.240.214:50365] helo=[172.16.0.4]) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 43/57-01394-A540E405; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:16:42 +0000 From: "W. David Houser" Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:16:42 -0400 To: MGList List Subject: [Mgs] Rick Brown Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Listers, Some sad news about one of our MG family. Rick Brown passed after his long battle. Rick was the webmaster for several of our MG national organizations and was recently honored for all his outstanding service with an American MGC Register Award presented at a past Club Breakfast by Jeff Zorn of LBC. He received a Special Award of Service from NAMGBR recently, as well. He was a proud member of NAMGAR and the Mini Register. Rick belonged to our local Nature Coast English Car Club/Suncoast Classic MG Club here in Brooksville, FL. He was a good friend and will be missed. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 10 10:01:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7462C0D2E for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 10:01:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail940c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail940c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.130]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2702C0D0C for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 09:56:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from YOURF3E40984A8 (75-121-132-179.dyn.centurytel.net [75.121.132.179]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail940c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q8AFxQjE030042; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:59:32 GMT From: "David F. Darby" To: "'W. David Houser'" , "'MGList List'" References: <81BF0C28-A7F6-459C-A13B-1F729332BAB7@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 10:59:26 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac2PZ515kasBlW4URjOKIfuDeeYxSwABZPrQ a=3WPTVEtZbjMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=/ukfVksYDAhBT/YoMZQ6vQ==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=f3_rYm3B_47nrxiOkwcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=/ukfVksYDAhBT/YoMZQ6vQ==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Rick Brown Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, Thanks for the note. I'm really saddened to hear that. Rick was such a great, convivial guy. He will be missed. David -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of W. David Houser Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 10:17 AM To: MGList List Subject: [Mgs] Rick Brown Listers, Some sad news about one of our MG family. Rick Brown passed after his long battle. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 10 11:05:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F0012C0D28 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:05:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm24.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.221]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0EFCC2C0D1D for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:05:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.192] by nm24.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2012 17:08:27 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.187] by tm5.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2012 17:08:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1070.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2012 17:08:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 24408 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2012 17:08:27 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347296907; bh=jbPvcA9IkWXBKLiwzOt5XWMJmi1/70KV7jSleu3YGWY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zhy45tBy21enpd19SAC3AcwzBwtSGy5vYcRlYF+fp4wB/odrCJ3V6GHvb6lNB8OUeRtp9OjQzEPxuCskmYxwVTN7OF/syzKMYQGyGhFmakKx614LCpo15J0XnoX6BaVogNtQsszxI05zFueNM+o4iE3tvSALd+tu6b7RY3nO8N0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1WJIqa/Ef7L27klhxCtJ7bHbBzPEJgjdBqKVEyihdM8yqY9/gwSLDRBeUKjgtgNkBzhE57UrOw4wgHIaHB7Bd88z6M8Bj5Ux/P7g02RfPlFA+LJALXxZ7HQM3+xVoqnagtLcoEHxeHyul4H73hf5+Wu7iFGW3CD6y7yP9ZgtDnE=; wja8wxTi64nbHf1EKR8cMrWSBVSnrmhDKxS8E2C8VaLa63ud38S34WljRQZV XEBds0vGswEV1XjqsU9KWHVjgvtzlgQP.LkUhgysQ_CgIRdy9HBsBl5UaaRH YX4PSYwI.bG6iYKPnTkU92Zx4FHAKW.vi88_yb51ByUxFcrqL2AsKuYZd2T3 hK9RI8GUB5I1xSvceraUxThTuIg4WAGBnyQ71zv5IqaUYPZ_KtvzK.LjbhPX A5XrXZNL1Quww55J2QS6Zo7hG9PATQnRFLjR8E_IItB3h8eqiJ3GY1AofUUv CF58Tk4pm56fdHDwk9qH31wctblHAAXvMUZD2Cuw39jAH2dgO3dLGU.pQU5S nCEYjsGqQ0Aqj_Q4ZVjDOfBHyYgsyFbV84YqNZ3xHC1O1XAjkv6lcVfC7d.n t51aH_tdQlSZ2orvRdQ6VDkcJnPso_VSybjWj Received: from [69.248.128.143] by web39404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 10:08:26 PDT References: <81BF0C28-A7F6-459C-A13B-1F729332BAB7@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 10:08:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: "W. David Houser" , MGList List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Rick Brown Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Oh what a shame. I met Rick several times here in NJ before he moved south. A nice guy for sure. Dan D ________________________________ From: W. David Houser To: MGList List Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 11:16 AM Subject: [Mgs] Rick Brown Listers, Some sad news about one of our MG family. Rick Brown passed after his long battle. Rick was the webmaster for several of our MG national organizations and was recently honored for all his outstanding service with an American MGC Register Award presented at a past Club Breakfast by Jeff Zorn of LBC. He received a Special Award of Service from NAMGBR recently, as well. He was a proud member of NAMGAR and the Mini Register. Rick belonged to our local Nature Coast English Car Club/Suncoast Classic MG Club here in Brooksville, FL. He was a good friend and will be missed. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 02:14:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD4C2D01C9 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 02:14:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy12-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy12-pub.bluehost.com [50.87.16.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AF3332D01AE for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 02:13:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 27900 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2012 08:16:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy12.bluehost.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2012 08:16:48 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=Sd52eRccgW7RqR6giGCYTbHp3HdO4t+a7PAM/hE4jSE=; b=HcM4fPQbAhkXSTdIdja9Q+3zkqYo+16e4XBV8Cg+RkzoCNEWqOuX7ZvJEC9zufCkQonLGoYKL1qK6rl042S9KQ19NZfCcwi52jMksvFbkaIimdBBUt83++S5QGByaw+o; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=38001 helo=[192.168.0.106]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TBLeK-00030M-58; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 02:16:48 -0600 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 03:16:47 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: 4 - Healeys , 4 - MG List , 4 - MG Ts , 4 - MG-MGB , 4 - MidgetSprite - POS yahoo , 4 - Mini List - UK , 4 - Spridgets , 4 - sprite-midgetclub {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} Subject: [Mgs] Pant, pant, pant ! ! ! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I want one for my Birthday or Xmas ! ! ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUo7qOVycvs&NR=1&feature=endscreen Wish I could 'stumble' across a REAL one like I did with this clip ! ! Enjoy ! Ed _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 16:04:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4BD62D0201 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:04:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC962C0CDE for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:59:20 -0600 (MDT) cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=tW0haWE2Y5YA:10 a=pDcK88O02ZYA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=GOXkF7YSAAAA:20 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=7oUVN0PSg4x9IJEx7lcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=flVb9bqvLWj6LuXeD0Hx3w==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [75.91.227.221] ([75.91.227.221:61133] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id C9/51-15653-6E4BF405; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:02:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:02:07 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" References: <504EF36F.3040805@justbrits.com> Cc: 4 - Spridgets , 4 - sprite-midgetclub , 4 - Healeys , 4 - MG List , 4 - MG Ts , 4 - MidgetSprite - POS yahoo , 4 - Mini List - UK , 4 - MG-MGB Subject: Re: [Mgs] Pant, pant, pant ! ! ! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net They left a lot of steps out if they are really blueprinted engines. Nice vid though. CR On 9/11/2012 3:16 AM, " Just Brits " Shop wrote: > I want one for my Birthday or Xmas ! ! ! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUo7qOVycvs&NR=1&feature=endscreen > > Wish I could 'stumble' across a REAL one like I did with this clip > ! ! > > Enjoy ! > > Ed > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 18:09:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79EEB2D0208 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm27-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C8D32D0180 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:02:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [72.30.22.77] by nm27.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 00:04:46 -0000 Received: from [72.30.22.202] by tm11.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 00:04:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1064.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 00:04:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 71128 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Sep 2012 00:04:45 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347408285; bh=UonlbvqQLFWdznW6BwClCey/6PDaZxhzwy9pafd41pg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=glsz9cN+S0mLa1CpNW+RBHxldMQlIkE1KJAHi+t12L9c6JKUoIddCPi4y1IEfdep+CZgbUlCqegk0u57dYV2B4IaT0ZW4yGM4QiQYiJf9jnAaGGZk1mU19h8yQmr4jKx75nZpgUnzpo6g8QXYk3uByWlxoc03h8wWC2oSrF+9DE= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=c7yhJJ6ZClBwSgub6zDVu/wOrtwRVs48cKP8wK5laGvoRYOsTA1EbExYd39JamsTxzkP+XoR7jYFhgY+aEcoSZV77BJNxvDHB5qPE5G2FaKcSMBH7FYGZ1WT6Xvb/+1xHhQ2BTCjpK46oTvTVzcilXaZErS4lcolTenB/xyEL6s=; s2usOTWuJR_T1DRc6Un3XMKbvL3FdxbJBt6UplzC1iZ25F7Ccc5E7oGIKd7V gnIH_rNCIf59OxFVtbcRHIrBLvEAZLPoRCiMhK_LsQ9RdCCpdgUOa92sdU2t yVSd_PADZbvtlCj8L48m9KJKy08.AOynF8ZGAu2P93M3jaHqZpjOJP9tW6ke jJiaWAkG2pXN4FyXXSuMWe0nxJ2qXojJVe0xhmKi2X1Hryenqn6TFhqpB_uX M8e_DjdlL2BM740XFXiDOCj9kjzC3YI6Ury8yCTrdoXc0azkHOXni8.f.tXM d_2scr1yw6FzVBL4UjaupxXUToUfvufZV3KWwVWsFMMWkyfZvVhDmvnRXZE8 QSFjhzPnQWsouirdcZkQM7F0pi8raaDLYsfG7TOwAVy59iHrvJnnFLeL7hIl 0MoHQ_wEae7nsh6jt Received: from [69.248.128.143] by web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:04:45 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:04:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: MGB- Yahoo , MG List Subject: [Mgs] Intermittent Alt Light Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net As the subject states, my '76 B has an intermittently-flashing alternator light.... I noticed it when my son and I took a drive on Labor Day. Then last Sunday, I drove it a bit and it never illuminated. Then tonight, took it for a short run to the library, and it flashed a couple of times. No rhyme or reason - it seemed to flash when I was driving along at a steady speed, or if I was idling at a stop light, or backing up. I had my headlights on tonight, but not when I drove around on Labor Day. Battery cables are tight, and the fan belt seems to be tight (although it seemed to have maybe a touch more then the usual 1/2 of give, so I might try tightening it a bit). What else should I be checking? The alternator is certainly old (I don't recall replacing it since I purchased the car in 1988, so maybe it is just failing). TIA, Dan D '76 B Driver '65 B Project Central NJ USA _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 19:14:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B1D2D0214 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:14:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA732C0D41 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:14:01 -0600 (MDT) a=97EwEuVoboXX9XrTHAoI7A==:17 a=80POurKIopIA:10 a=eM8A2uTLAAAA:8 a=w7YYSWTzy-gA:10 a=RWUgWaP75wXsc15TaSUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=vTufdOLuenYA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=YWdX4WINRCN3PD7THpcA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=97EwEuVoboXX9XrTHAoI7A==:117 Received: from [173.170.142.244] ([173.170.142.244:2956] helo=user5284c665dc) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 82/A3-17584-882EF405; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 01:16:57 +0000 From: "Rick Brown" To: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:16:58 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2QhE3c7rr/UNO2QTCgKsnc5qibMQ== Subject: [Mgs] Passing of Rick Brown Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is to inform you that Rick Brown, a member of this list, a long time MG enthusiast and the long term webmaster for NAMGAR, AMGCR and some local websites, passed away on Monday, September 10, 2012 after fighting a long bout with cancer. Funeral services will be on Friday September 14th at: Brewer and Sons Funeral Home, 1190 S. Broad St. Brooksville, Florida 34601 ph:1-800-722-6451 at ten o'clock a.m. Mass services will follow at St Anthony's RC Church, Rt. 50 Brooksville Florida at twelve thirty p.m. Immediately following the church service a motorcade of British cars will proceed to his burial at The National Veterans Cemetery in Bushnell Florida. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 01:03:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C4132D0212 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 01:03:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB21F2D0208 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 01:02:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews04.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.171]) by cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:04:56 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT109.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.28]) by cpsps-ews04.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:04:56 +0200 Received: from uw471de61b465c ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT109.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:04:55 +0200 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "Dan DiBiase" , "MGB- Yahoo" , "MG List" References: <1347408285.70517.YahooMailNeo@web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:04:58 +0200 FILETIME=[EA2EC8A0:01CD90B4] Subject: Re: [Mgs] Intermittent Alt Light Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Bad contact - warn or stuck brushes in the altenator are the first suspects... Cheers, Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan DiBiase" To: "MGB- Yahoo" ; "MG List" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:04 AM Subject: [Mgs] Intermittent Alt Light > As the subject states, my '76 B has an intermittently-flashing alternator > light.... I noticed it when my son and I took a drive > on Labor Day. Then last Sunday, I drove it a bit and it never illuminated. > Then tonight, took it for a short run to the library, > and it flashed a couple of times. No rhyme or reason - it seemed to flash > when I was driving along at a steady speed, or > if I was idling at a stop light, or backing up. I had my headlights on > tonight, but not when I drove around on Labor Day. > Battery cables are tight, and the fan belt seems to be tight (although it > seemed to have maybe a touch more then the > usual 1/2 of give, so I might try tightening it a bit). > > What else should I be checking? The alternator is certainly old (I don't > recall replacing it since I purchased the car in 1988, > so maybe it is just failing). > > > TIA, > > Dan D > '76 B Driver > '65 B Project > Central NJ USA _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 01:49:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4A12D021A for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 01:49:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC772D0210 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 01:48:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so1169770eek.14 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 00:51:22 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole :x-gm-message-state; bh=vmjD8J60QO4Xo7DX2s23Wx9JA5xYacXaKUemw75dQYQ=; b=eDHqlRgyPBEITk/NJRhKvOGt5ErEwlEg217VEAUKc+6oCX26Ip77ftJrcMJrXB60dz 1I6mi3AjPYGXNKao53PPh0YVtTaCVyrSVSlP3+4sDA51KtaBIHFmK8gHncGwsmiIfGGi I/hBtDWtfD5RJo6KL2aOqOTrjiCdHuMRLnokLo9QkqTFIId9CQtDIUiptZQQpZHWIo75 BTNO0nkJW3DiU4B1O9Cr08PwF3Y8OU6tIPRSU573HkhB8/kC65sEKdzcrPkzFZCoMXA3 ap8uTiOTcgN6ew9KzPe3EHtJr+DKuwcndqd4dkFY7gO723GCHcoy8RLE9C69O+vsT0yu eSLw== Received: by 10.14.223.9 with SMTP id u9mr29379540eep.10.1347436282839; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 00:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v3sm53744223eep.10.2012.09.12.00.51.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 00:51:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: , "MG List" References: <1347408285.70517.YahooMailNeo@web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:34:48 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Intermittent Alt Light Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net My V8 was doing that a while ago. Wondered if it was brushes so bought a new set (cheap enough) before opening it up but there was virtually no wear on them (a minimum of 100k and quite possibly 200k!). The slip rings looked like they could have been a bit muck so polished them and cleaned the surfaces of the brushes and since then it has been fine - except for one instance a few weeks ago, but I've been doing quite a lot of mileage since then and it has been fine. Could be poor connections in many places inside the alternator and outside it, but not the brown/yellow as a break in that would *stop* the light coming on. If you can catch it for long enough to do some voltage tests check the voltage on the brown and brown/yellow at the alternator, and the brown and white at the fusebox. The warning light will glow when there is a potential difference between it's two terminals, i.e. a potential difference between the brown/yellow and the white. If the brown and brown/yellow at the alternator show, say 14v but the brown and white show, say 11v then there is a bad connection between the brown at the alternator and the brown at the ignition switch, which could be at the starter solenoid. If the fusebox brown shows close to the alternator but its white is lower then check these two at the ignition switch, it could be the switch that is faulty or connections between it and the fusebox. If there is a significant difference between the brown and the brown/yellow at the alternator spades, but the brown at the alternator is much the same as the brown and white at the fusebox, then the problem is internal to the alternator. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- As the subject states, my '76 B has an intermittently-flashing alternator light.... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 08:30:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798B12D0275 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:30:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC702D018E for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:29:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so1595734eek.14 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:32:12 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole :x-gm-message-state; bh=10HBRONYSQTAVOY3U8QVaL7aSC8/mX06Vwbh09a1KF4=; b=iu62TS+NZa5O+Ax9XwBSEeUXCRG76XJIijPIo2XYBrDUJllq0hEUlqYutSBFoS1eJv qG5lodw+FGtNzr1mXjYdhE+hbIMwPUE0HIdy2Za9EQhi+nFDVqG8XGWiKmuurPVB8RU4 j14zMxUuGnbBttb7o/W6HNK0KuhSaK2jqHI5+73IlVJGrxmWlx7S+7LHyf1e0E7XM3I5 x83WbKLqeaENPV37T6Km7ySKCxhSG0x2T2dMvoe6Jg3OBEDrBc76Fv7nSMhTcShc/e60 B1NL/I7NlHdqUPzQSh3FJpdt2Ik/XhlqcRzfWzMG8NQ7IoEjcxhQJVIDYL/rw+nY4kxS DJVg== Received: by 10.14.221.197 with SMTP id r45mr31536979eep.41.1347459968517; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u8sm56664567eel.11.2012.09.12.07.26.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:26:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: , "MG List" References: <1347408285.70517.YahooMailNeo@web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:25:48 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Intermittent Alt Light Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net As an aside, I nearly fell off my chair at this on Sunday: Sebastian Vettel retired from the Italian GP with an alternator failure, the second time such a problem has forced him out of a race this season. Team boss Christian Horner said the failures, the first of which happened when Vettel was dominating in Valencia in June were extremely costly. "It's something that needs to be rectified" he added. In case anyone thinks I made this up - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19538530 PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 08:36:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 020CB2D028B for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:36:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm34-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm34-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D1E82D0220 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:36:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm34.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 14:39:49 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.197] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 14:39:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1055.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 14:39:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 34029 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Sep 2012 14:39:49 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347460789; bh=3fTlu0OUce7KDaO6AAM2El75Zgx2DWnX7ZoHwXAjAXU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QXhXgEqPrpOaqoAZ8F3L/sv+z6yb91Kp/KTbQWIB8jgx9elroU38GrylnPV7SSx+b10LRxlUh3wOuu54BmKzD67gGlhsl+emuxr/D3hVEdOvQDlhdWN3/6nt3NVAfVpEWQzWHtrfchiw4PqVp3xyfay8tMhR0nfiALN6JJQZEXg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Qo2quzXhC8mJnM14IcPmMTMyERAkomKBxz8wwSWXz3PzMI70x7zTCwUAH2DYf5Z4NovhtyuSuSZ2RqiOfSNuodEK6n39Uj/LQhYxjW4arB7p+3K0u4hSOnOf13ZSKktbBNGI2PbGVAYYFu3/QyfOkBwS2QVn49cpv3RUfU1TSwc=; fBuVFVElokC_gEbHTxbs7x.JVBkmPJLsGCFM0AZs2k1h7.4lLiTOC8FfuhMq PeMfHOaU_3VMIdoFRBPbKdb2KeeM.THzRrffw3Gx5guS71i5BsPD5rUQKgly UAtvNEwv.waehDGO05H1u.W3vLln0jsLqp_k5gx783WE_WZ0mvf_kBGDmxb6 NoHmjXzbpTxMmPueOG0TpS1UdNKMdBqISZntl5J9TuPjMxuL3dTbIHPCyDii h0tHezXkpRw12N.b8039MgeotSO2cLAw6hPzE_w5dyl24gf8UG3tnEtcZy3o ySOtWPTSRRrwmKbiJjJMLDP0kGvWb.Cz7pFHYqeZwHsAbtkonPigX8E.kESK PSl_1aIiDcMQrBpXZp9YNIbZ0oY66eiXThsadnvke5aJbP8xs4nGQBls07y5 clIzPxWtIYJixPQzYi0k5cZUDsVaUjZ3gci5u4clfvy6tvnklW9atCxMBNRs dUO2s99B6LcMHOlHEsTq4VK1izMQJw2v95jWqh3X.jTv_kQfy3TTHTaZa5MY rLJnCfOwVxcq.QVbCeegVKqYI Received: from [69.248.128.143] by web39404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:39:49 PDT References: <1347408285.70517.YahooMailNeo@web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <02B63CC1E7FE476FAF45AD7B111CAC96@paul> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:39:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: PaulHunt73 , "MG-MGB@yahoogroups.com" , MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Intermittent Alt Light Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Amazing - I didn't even realize that they still used an alternator in race cars.... Dan D '76 B Driver '65 B Project Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: PaulHunt73 To: MG-MGB@yahoogroups.com; MG List Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Intermittent Alt Light As an aside, I nearly fell off my chair at this on Sunday: Sebastian Vettel retired from the Italian GP with an alternator failure, the second time such a problem has forced him out of a race this season. Team boss Christian Horner said the failures, the first of which happened when Vettel was dominating in Valencia in June were extremely costly. "It's something that needs to be rectified" he added. In case anyone thinks I made this up - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19538530 PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 08:45:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 518992C0C86 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:45:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.mailix.net (mail-out.namezero.com [66.11.225.183]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0042CFCF5 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:44:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [107.3.215.251] (helo=[10.1.10.15]) by smtp.mailix.net with asmtp (Exim 4.24-CA) id 1TBoEQ-0008TZ-Hd for mgs@autox.team.net; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:47:58 -0700 References: <1347408285.70517.YahooMailNeo@web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <02B63CC1E7FE476FAF45AD7B111CAC96@paul> From: Matt Trebelhorn Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 10:47:58 -0400 To: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Intermittent Alt Light Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Needs to be rectified? Oh, not electrical humor again... ;-) Matt On 12 Sep, 2012, at 10:25 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > As an aside, I nearly fell off my chair at this on Sunday: > > Sebastian Vettel retired from the Italian GP with an alternator > failure, the > second time such a problem has forced him out of a race this > season. Team > boss Christian Horner said the failures, the first of which > happened when > Vettel was dominating in Valencia in June were extremely costly. > "It's > something that needs to be rectified" he added. > > In case anyone thinks I made this up - > http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19538530 > > PaulH. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 11:10:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA792D02AB for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:10:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D1F072C0CB2 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:10:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.102] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 17:13:31 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.64] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 17:13:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 17:13:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 88356 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Sep 2012 17:13:31 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347470011; bh=C2cv4871YQWRwxP/8YfBMQsFVzqyf0ncR2V1Gdkxvcg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bb68p3LJbRBFE6hU+fYSOzAgafBJhuye56e3iI5UpoO1JeXI/XBlA4hgUUzoadJbgSId/j4I7XqjDJY5978Ths7IC1leSLAGw9Muf2dFYjuQp+tCyL5u4ezYW7BzE2xtniLCvOGiIIb15u1U1hExK2UOQoRVOXjG8wXtY7p22Jw= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sq1MeOdO5rrAkimXX3MqiQkshiGfOYTjefdlvou8m+SFA5miXRZxD+cFMDqgOCLSZlaXDu7YvfBQrqUCDRUoHMz4Be/1ABfOTNqKBFMVKggViCJXzzQBVLrwsVEswmKAse7799DLSWrBuPx1Sc71c9i0g/qjRpFLP6be58oWXlU=; DNqNVmW0TalAvZGYJhW85N2SZJcSyKStpjMoA8bWkuLVu4KWeVQxFy.5tZUk 6Tnl5.7iEce9CouN_KwtxfoJiFVzuUh_jaE35BVMCxT6WAyu8lZRO5PRElHE fShvWtiSXJ6kGDz22T4vFMElj2wIi3SkX0pCIzc3dVyddequ2s6zj8E0eH3z 49x1MoG9kA1ltUDVZPJx3SyecKqqrNxkB996Mj38NoqtO05uwlGRGO8Eucxt J2VFGwqmYKtgnH9VpbpaYPHroogDiiPitQVyZwCjAZuhpBnCPFaIhvPTX9N_ pARiW5r_AZ65TR..5dFUXZm.0juIF3Y9gGCIBMJUs4FGfwhEUhZ8xpkPjQ1c i7TN8CYwK533BPiyk3J1YjZvKfuKQISxNcLFQ3zIO7VEzerGcrmKFu2cAfre IGdSAQPF_sz2lKRS4 Received: from [76.8.139.2] by web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 10:13:30 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 10:13:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Lindsay To: MGS Subject: [Mgs] OT, 40DCOE/18 rebuilds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, A number of you expressed interest in following the rebuild of Jack's '65 Elan's Weber 40DCOE/18 carbs. I posted a few picture links earlier. If interested, you may have seen them. Today I write just to report that the first carb's rebuild is progressing nicely. The carburetter is disassembled, which was no minor feat given that it was glued together with 10 years of gum. Still, the Chem-Dip did its job on most bits. RustEater freed the remaining bits (like the choke valves). And I can now report that the carb body is clean (and beautiful) with all passages clean, clear and undamaged, awaiting reassembly. All jets and tubes have also been cleaned and are undamaged. Next step is to verify that the various jets and tubes match the stock Elan specification. Who knows what monkeying-around may have been done by some PO. Jack brought the rebuild kits over to me last weekend so I have everything I need to put the first of these instruments back together. I'll share photos of the whole reassembly, starting with setting the float level properly. Until then... regards, -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 11:38:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 745E42D029F for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:38:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail961c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail961c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.151]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7116E2D027B for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:38:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-2-208.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.2.208]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail961c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q8CHfIFV011685 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 17:41:20 GMT From: "Eric J Russell" To: References: Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:41:08 -0400 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wJjgFq53tGJlaoXvjQHWgA==:17 a=aSRvjw2BAAAA:8 a=cTK8GfPu_MvNcM5EWqwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wJjgFq53tGJlaoXvjQHWgA==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] electrical humor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I think it was Brian Redman giving a speech at Watkins Glen a few years ago. He told of the time he was towed in to the pits with a dead race car. When the owner asked what was wrong he replied, "looks like an electrical problem" (connecting rod had exited the block and cut the battery cable...) Eric Russell Mebane, NC > As an aside, I nearly fell off my chair at this on Sunday: > > Sebastian Vettel retired from the Italian GP with an alternator failure, > the > second time such a problem has forced him out of a race this season. Team > boss Christian Horner said the failures, the first of which happened when > Vettel was dominating in Valencia in June were extremely costly. "It's > something that needs to be rectified" he added. > > In case anyone thinks I made this up - > http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19538530 > > PaulH. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 14:41:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E1D2D028A for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:41:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5282D0222 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:40:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8CKhelO008125 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:43:40 -0400 Received: from core-zm008.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-zm008.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.26.32.45]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0F6C0E000089 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:43:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Mowog1@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:43:39 -0400 (EDT) To: mgs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347482620; bh=CZZ8vmMKqDC0PbVuVItZjrxqnlobNyIEeCTrQWU7QIM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mlVle/qdy7N4puKKf29LE8MtM40XMMs3D7TanZ4GcBZl6jeCsC2/leEQebJokDdoQ n3JhqFKUuqG/ZIKresiz1njVTRgG0o9OFWB3K0VD1QbW2MPxRRfRMCmprcgjUrp/o2 ECqlaStGqODZ71kHvCqFdUa07XzHb5f7Xapa3Wjk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b5050f3fc22d9 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Passing of Rick Brown Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Rick also served as webmaster for NAMGBR as well a the North American Council of M.G.Registers. The M.G. community has lost a great enthusiast. Please remember Rick on Friday.....drive your M.G.....and turn on your headlamps in his memory! rick ingram Executive Director North American Council of M.G. Registers ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:16:58 -0400 From: "Rick Brown" To: Subject: [Mgs] Passing of Rick Brown This is to inform you that Rick Brown, a member of this list, a long time MG enthusiast and the long term webmaster for NAMGAR, AMGCR and some local websites, passed away on Monday, September 10, 2012 after fighting a long bout with cancer. Funeral services will be on Friday September 14th at: Brewer and Sons Funeral Home, 1190 S. Broad St. Brooksville, Florida 34601 ph:1-800-722-6451 at ten o'clock a.m. Mass services will follow at St Anthony's RC Church, Rt. 50 Brooksville Florida at twelve thirty p.m. Immediately following the church service a motorcade of British cars will proceed to his burial at The National Veterans Cemetery in Bushnell Florida. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 15:30:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3E92D029C for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:30:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3966D2D0222 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:30:16 -0600 (MDT) cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=tW0haWE2Y5YA:10 a=3B-kIfIqcq0A:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=qV0mfD4mAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=aSRvjw2BAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=2zYqUMz_rU_NueOZmvoA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=GBYjNgTzydkA:10 a=ao4RW71Vw8YA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=flVb9bqvLWj6LuXeD0Hx3w==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [75.91.227.221] ([75.91.227.221:61599] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 79/89-15653-79FF0505; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 17:33:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:33:04 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: Dan DiBiase , Mgs@autox.team.net References: <1347408285.70517.YahooMailNeo@web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <02B63CC1E7FE476FAF45AD7B111CAC96@paul> <1347460789.28515.YahooMailNeo@web39404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Intermittent Alt Light Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Well Dan, what did you think they used? =-O CR On 9/12/2012 9:39 AM, Dan DiBiase wrote: > Amazing - I didn't even realize that they still used an alternator in race > cars.... > > Dan D > '76 B Driver > '65 B Project > Central NJ USA > ________________________________ > From: PaulHunt73 > > To: MG-MGB@yahoogroups.com; MG List > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:25 AM > Subject: > Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Intermittent Alt Light > > As an aside, I nearly fell off my > chair at this on Sunday: > > Sebastian Vettel retired from the Italian GP with an > alternator failure, the > second time such a problem has forced him out of a > race this season. Team > boss Christian Horner said the failures, the first of > which happened when > Vettel was dominating in Valencia in June were extremely > costly. "It's > something that needs to be rectified" he added. > > > In case > anyone thinks I made this up - > http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19538530 > PaulH. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 13 06:05:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 069022D02E8 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 06:05:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A912D02D9 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 06:05:05 -0600 (MDT) cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=tW0haWE2Y5YA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=CbMd-Ui6YSbqC6gH5rYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=mW09CC2GgKdicxOhmg1wdQ==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [151.213.158.238] ([151.213.158.238:60279] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id C7/2F-21063-1ACC1505; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 08:08:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 07:07:52 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: Rick Lindsay , Mgs@autox.team.net References: <1347470010.71729.YahooMailClassic@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] OT, 40DCOE/18 rebuilds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net You might want to repost the link for those of us who missed it earlier. CR On 9/12/2012 12:13 PM, Rick Lindsay wrote: > Hello Friends, > > A number of you expressed interest in following the rebuild of Jack's '65 Elan's Weber 40DCOE/18 carbs. I posted a few picture links earlier. If interested, you may have seen them. Today I write just to report that the first carb's rebuild is progressing nicely. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 13 10:10:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E547B2D031F for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:10:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 06A9D2D02E4 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2012 16:12:01 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.196] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2012 16:12:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1054.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2012 16:12:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 10371 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Sep 2012 16:12:01 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347552721; bh=jZ+4ilbPSJ/g3vhCWZBbr8TL6w4ZAfBGhSgI8iRP7+E=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gsSjbCW0x+6RXx65UXAErjXdYzAQs+vRqdd0kfpKf/haZUiVrA0KHoDHaiXAM17+ASldCQd7H/dCdoEqB8tzqfqgDAAWT6Cq1rvxQwvcBlvLnfwNm1172JkXUiVMQB+rBcZ0CHMGy8XB8OFqWx+uP7hnzWzDMe6Yj0pWJqi8GdE= mQeTWVdS4t7CSv3XoYsdYv7CLdmW3r3CsuVOi7XI.FewSpMARaOQg25OK1Wv _.Y_qSqnUDJLo9hymJ.DtrkEZWy3eKlCdGyprMYeIIoPjRvN2LUlBV3On9au .6XFBerF1Oo6bFzKA.gsCtpk.nSpYOjjCKBMO8YAVzn2YQYBZOL.KWMErWol TALqDwignpUno2ymzIcRjKpbrUn9I_JMRI2SZ9niv5K2q6icCzT1FPivY1Ya NIZcMGcQtZ9YTUPfJV0SVQRCjzU6BtJx.IwAA5SSdyCaw042c7vACewFNHcG 0cFNX17Qca_xn0V9zAho1w4byT_wkC2xVVKuRxKAKjsys29IqadY3P9GQ06o 50HWPc_vy.tnX6chJRV9PBZWdevcg5xD5PmIXs9SL2hFDSsWTzudUbEE- Received: from [50.48.102.118] by web125206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 09:12:01 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 09:12:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "sdesalvo@frontiernet.net" To: mg list Subject: [Mgs] andrex shock links Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I am looking for apair of Andrex shock links for the front shocks on my MG TD MarkII. OR a drawing, schematic, or something I could use to have a machine shop fabricate from. Anyone with a large scale drawing? Thanks in advance for any info. Sam _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 13 19:31:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F362D032B for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:31:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571132D027B for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:31:25 -0600 (MDT) a=LfXEknhwUSklrTJykD/pXw==:17 a=PxuUwoQYziwA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=EplqaWRVYhl3QOQ1FrAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=LfXEknhwUSklrTJykD/pXw==:117 Received: from [72.185.240.214] ([72.185.240.214:51342] helo=[172.16.0.4]) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id BE/6B-01394-E9982505; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 01:34:22 +0000 From: "W. David Houser" Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 21:34:21 -0400 To: MGList List Subject: [Mgs] Hello? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Where is everyone? >From 50 + messages a day to one or two? Anybody else? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 13 20:12:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F432D033B for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 20:12:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A0D2D031D for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 20:11:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vbkv13 with SMTP id v13so5412605vbk.14 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:14:13 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ROPLBmXJ0Z4ITaiVgX6suuyqgNwQrNYRl62DpFupiso=; b=FEfZsd8nzV8Thq+7TE283QGhhj58xDAHMlGkpx8YP51b+ssFTdMmoML09zDnSO4q7B skboPSGQsqQthKH52i0U5b7EzDkq844bLA5OFQashl1erkjmnNVtK4Se6yc9jF0KwFiD 0c+yw1KbX5P8BZeJoYRy2cgJu2aq1YsLMs8rNfez02NkpCzoi7WZZOahGRWAoMSDJbuL itkmJ7RsEu3/sUTtD9DLO7aAzgBWNUzqzTZgNoEcISyjLSakmOSrWm6dH9m3YeOwsfED O+jpBpN4C59S5qxDRO1f+zHxmMYvqKK3nB8Sk052m1NL6q3Cqauf9gGIrXZpwCfQyVih 6UDQ== Received: by 10.220.154.6 with SMTP id m6mr726049vcw.51.1347588853331; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.6.169 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:14:13 -0700 (PDT) References: <5526CBD8-F0CA-4E81-B73F-E7393842629D@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:14:13 -0700 From: Simon Matthews To: "W. David Houser" Cc: MGList List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hello? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I think some people have moved to various web-based forms. Simon On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 6:34 PM, W. David Houser wrote: > Where is everyone? > From 50 + messages a day to one or two? > Anybody else? > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/simon.d.matthews@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 14 02:56:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB20C2D035D for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 02:56:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D6A2D0332 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 02:56:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaaf11 with SMTP id f11so1795971eaa.14 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 01:59:34 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=5ZvxjYStqKoSw/azht5sDvjhhUi5oGi4bUHDZotfvQo=; b=QvgOO+Q6zvw11XwnJbaIUN/jSXLs2qbJPs7OpNgNag7kx/EXLZNTUvB2oA7/+JPG+T l7rPr7cmUMqrSaOhL1++TRjww0BoxrsGCpu2s6t0paUm6leFNkACZC+0lQqoZ7cZ6Zco mTGv7EK0vm5bHh5f378mJ5StFG1phNAT1gbt31jbercFPWZOdv8fUDQyBCZuKcupDNLk 0KbQz5saJHZxQ6em8VMDeaboIxAoxjLRe43KZmAM+I/xobxmRjTF/x6C7XSjW+2F8Mlp 2QNuJ0ESXsoC4wU+Xs7d74jVxMsarFWKjoCtrwJlyrPkEnpr9q51WL1ACXPRhLFMvJ7L Dz1w== Received: by 10.14.182.134 with SMTP id o6mr2530887eem.26.1347613173984; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 01:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l42sm2531826eep.1.2012.09.14.01.59.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 14 Sep 2012 01:59:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "W. David Houser" , "MGList List" References: <5526CBD8-F0CA-4E81-B73F-E7393842629D@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 09:38:06 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hello? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hasn't been 50+ per day for years, from what I have been seeing. ----- Original Message ----- > Where is everyone? > From 50 + messages a day to one or two? > Anybody else? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 14 11:52:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11B02D038D for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 11:52:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AFC372D0367 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 11:47:36 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1347645032; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=jkSYUn7iMAVKS01qrNGnOLR6a0jnE8HgkbsJaWkJqauKmRjX10tprDGRcFC2pAKCU oldCLIHtVOe0y0XjVThZGzSV0QbbPZY1wzvhwhBp68Wipc8IbmHJF2H7ZMadpplLdV Dv3f5A54kKCaF36zyTsaq8CyPj4jAlyyz107h2DE= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.103]) by smtpout01.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJFG5TVAXQDDRJ for (sender ); Fri, 14 Sep 2012 10:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mgbob@juno.com) by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id SJMME4BQ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 10:48:59 PDT Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:48:43 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:48:43 GMT To: paulhunt73@virginmedia.com Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hello? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Perhaps we are all out driving the MGs? Here is a question for the group: who makes the most original-appearing wiring harness for TDs. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "PaulHunt73" To: "W. David Houser" , "MGList List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hello? Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 09:38:06 +0100 Hasn't been 50+ per day for years, from what I have been seeing. ----- Original Message ----- > Where is everyone? > From 50 + messages a day to one or two? > Anybody else? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 14 12:10:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405CC2D03A2 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 12:10:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F7D2D0330 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 12:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-178.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q8EIA037030010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 11:10:02 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.32.0.111121 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 10:57:12 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Hello? Thread-Index: Ac2Sol3RQAScxYNqyUGbPtXfvUlzrA== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hello? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net 40 messages this week -- that's been about typical. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 9/14/12 1:38 AM, PaulHunt73 at paulhunt73@virginmedia.com wrote: > Hasn't been 50+ per day for years, from what I have been seeing. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> Where is everyone? >> From 50 + messages a day to one or two? >> Anybody else? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 14 12:23:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17BC12D0390 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 12:23:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm6.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm6.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F01652D0360 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 12:19:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.193] by nm6.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2012 18:22:56 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.144] by tm6.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2012 18:22:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2012 18:22:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 12816 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 2012 18:22:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347646976; bh=0opg4AdW9EezkttoBB2K5O2sHOQbxDlsNrnPKxhW0NI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gNnEjkrNONmU0BRDtD4OyNAG7r70yQX/t2vjFlIWe0QmB2RuFIweshMzMK2yQmhqYzPQLSCh9ZOAjAZUzbXxUJ9pHLmkhhcWh7IIzAOLNotNl10sY24Lme7LeuIc4vkuXBaDgpzCanfdEmVcAJndZE8kAbcACVZMmF1h1rmryVs= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=A+e/kkjGaddt0t0rbqoxIwgMo8hBWRPhw81dzhemh6MzkDCvm4u1KobRFwdfXztfiXNs5AylvdoPWnxseH3mY6oaaoWQhNoyjmHoUxydQBbN350EobIBjhFWbkGK4eKczxruuVP3HEw1c8IfVSclZPb3H0zm7MBWoxKkTEYB+JU=; Mk4YfaqNokpOoY79Yu5.f0ZXPphwT4nOrx80eDHiZ7QAWE09M4PemBHjZjOg qRoTuzNkW6pWd.RgMn4mSdQfBKngtR5NhxvkmQMW6IMckaT3XLCVYQOCnzr2 UXrvTRiSLNk9i4suYfIr07ZvQrXfshmqpMB3maPPSJG_yDxvUyebed3660db U4KeNBvASNTkjI1FjRAh4V5TQpRDzOFEycMsYZCw50dZFjVU4Te9fIGzjK0r DVk84kCme5er8b7JFwF3AzOPDX5YtzXlPZtXc3BqiMn1DYTHk2JHo0SRk76g 721NXOElaooNnk.qUo7lib87aZTZhKkbFQiNsd13ng68258BwRYMWUfDC.1I o_hO3Hy.sNg2J5ZVEp9mpMwj0EP6ANCPwTPDIeJWLXs80Mm.xHejck.49pTF YimM4zYwX7.o_heU81FX45Av.P2.azV_4F3Xexw-- Received: from [69.248.128.143] by web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 11:22:56 PDT References: <1347408285.70517.YahooMailNeo@web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <94E922DE90804FBE9DDDB7D4FF31F228@paul> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 11:22:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: "MG-MGB@yahoogroups.com" , MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Intermittent Alt Light Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for all of the replies. I will probably just pull it off and take it to my local FLAPS and have it tested. Would not surprise me if it was going, given it's (apparent) age. Will report results. If I do have to replace it, is there another make that is a direct-fit? Seems to me I recall that Saturn alt was basically the same thing...? Maybe with one less wire? Thx, Dan D '76 B Driver '65 B Driver Central NJ USA ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 14 15:00:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 811462D035E for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:00:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218282D02E1 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:00:54 -0600 (MDT) cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=tW0haWE2Y5YA:10 a=3B-kIfIqcq0A:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NzAkRtktIHQScKe5DOUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=1/fxYfUVyhaKi9AT96OOeA==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.25.63] ([72.172.25.63:60755] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 41/99-15653-6BB93505; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:03:51 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 16:03:40 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: Dan DiBiase References: <1347408285.70517.YahooMailNeo@web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <94E922DE90804FBE9DDDB7D4FF31F228@paul> <1347646976.11760.YahooMailNeo@web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cc: MG List , "MG-MGB@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Intermittent Alt Light Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I bought a Duralast rebuilt direct replacement from Autozone quite a few years ago. Lifetime warranty and it dropped right in. CR On 9/14/2012 1:22 PM, Dan DiBiase wrote: > If I do have to replace it, > is there another make that is a direct-fit? Seems to me I recall that Saturn > alt was basically the > same thing...? Maybe with one less wire? > > Thx, > > Dan D _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 16 08:07:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5BA02D01EC for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 08:07:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm33-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm33-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1EF192D01A1 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 08:02:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm33.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2012 14:05:31 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.195] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2012 14:05:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1053.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2012 14:05:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 88611 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2012 14:05:31 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347804331; bh=3i43U5SS54816C/WI0YVhcmVt/dr0F8THL4l5bLGRk8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qD88FjrXgQDYADy1ZVq5EDxKdcGU3gaZj0/EXeZDvlwqdpj04C9kco+UNTU8kr20/YdJqJAnBNI9GmkEXI04TljgYge1bgEpl40XxRK6FUF+I7RbVmKm5ilaptrQY0hjNu5WyoUY9wfi11E0unr1Ed53iCA9FXklnJ6BLfSLP50= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=b5wH0gxKNWPa4pA9KM9VMvrWG4/ADcY+AiXUEgsvvtSzhFtL07lgQIEWGAfi7jsbJB1P14E1kkrymGaPYFv1W0UehfZUhmv3QY8EvUiz3BgPVuXT6JBc0V23a4rQVxKCJjGuICs+7jk1bc3wVK9/YdVfaJ6Qir6R9Fax+jaTa+g=; YiO90DDxp6zkgniBlKhq3gIgJNOmLtE9g1PbFVZYeTu7W4JqZBwNeqhYVChz nArCsOtU9aA_vkgqsaKDZz_tTYIUs977k_955bkJd6C6L24_tOvmvqCLJSeB IpF1CzLY9kjg2jPgUwPdzrC6ZRAMp6Ip9HkyF1aJSGG7MvmvVGY2Cx2l56aC xhgPbLwQGFi2GIA2utzs_IUnZxyity65fmGzQwGTE.ZFF3KSrnkvffhslsKM QEc3r5Gd6FP4hgChsvTSu72rrl.aJU1D3cT38AZshqF2DsCGdRU8Qsq2k3cF eCe8DzuKjXBgWAEhvBnC7TgGHO0fioGzEP20toHc_K.aJk3HeHvX7c9i4dJn EUGzPDhTjG3StBT20foTev7CKs2HmkyniBKIWNkQt.UHEGg_UvHh45VWEZZl FAB1ohc1GT_AXJAjeJ5Q.zsQ2fCHURay.KUeNkCOlhls1noyZQaObcz0I Received: from [69.248.128.143] by web39403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 07:05:31 PDT References: <1347408285.70517.YahooMailNeo@web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <94E922DE90804FBE9DDDB7D4FF31F228@paul> <1347646976.11760.YahooMailNeo@web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <50539BAC.9020307@ktc.com> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 07:05:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: MGB- Yahoo , MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Intermittent Alt Light Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Well, only had a little time to mess around with it yesterday so I just tightened the belt as it seemed a little loose. When I started the car the light came on but went off as soon as I revved the engine, and never came back on during a 20-minute drive. If I get a chance today, will take another drive and see whether the light comes on. At some point, I still need to remove it and get it tested but perhaps it was simply the belt being a little loose. One can hope, anyways.... Dan D '76 B Driver '65 B Project Central NJ USA ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 16 10:31:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2BF2C1786 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:31:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from msubillings.edu (bilexeg02.msubillings.edu [192.156.215.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CEC02C0D4A for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:30:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BILEXCH01.msubillings.edu (192.156.215.140) by BILEXEG02.msubillings.edu (192.156.215.143) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.379.0; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:33:49 -0600 Received: from BILEXMB01.msubillings.edu ([169.254.1.78]) by BILEXCH01.msubillings.edu ([192.156.215.140]) with mapi id 14.01.0379.000; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:33:54 -0600 From: "Councill, David" To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: Selling autos on Ebay Thread-Index: Ac2UJnQNcCNDuIVUTdynzsGejqn7gQ== Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:33:53 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [72.175.92.16] Subject: [Mgs] Selling autos on Ebay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Somewhat off-topic but I have put one of my vehicles up for sale on Ebay. I have a 1974 Toyota Landcruiser that I have been meaning to sell for a while. I bought it in 1979 and it has been a good, reliable and durable rig. The problem is that I rarely drive it anymore. It was, for many years, my convertible as it is a soft top model. But I have two Bs now to use for the top off season, plus removing and installing the top is a very time consuming process so I typically took the top off and left it off during the short Montana convertible season (about 3 months). For general off-roading, I have a 2001 Land Rover Discovery that has taken over most of that mileage. As the Landcruiser sits more, it is at a time where I need to put money in it - new tires and exhaust for starters. So I decided to list it on Ebay yesterday and see what happens. What has happened so far (less than 24 hours) is that I have gotten two inquiries, one from Ahmed in the UAE requesting interior pictures while commenting that shipping will cost him $2000. The other inquiry is from a person from Florida (on the other side of the USA, about 2000 miles) who wants me to call a Florida number. A check on the ID used indicates the person has a "private" Ebay profile, has gone through 5 different usernames that tend to appear to be Islamic (i.e. i_liuv_allah, servant*of*allah). Nothing against Moslems as I lived in Turkey for two years, just an observation. Just checking on other experiences. This is a very used vehicle - listing here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221125420361 Like any other classic vehicle, values are quite variable so it is hard to assess a true value. But values and availability suggest that this is a vehicle that is not economically feasible or smart to purchase from a great distance away when similar models can be found closer. So far, I suspect I am getting the attention of scammers of some sort. David Councill 64 B 67 BGT 72 B 74 Landcruiser 01 LandRover Discovery _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 16 10:47:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7EC2D01EC for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:47:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 718672D01B5 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:47:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 15038 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2012 16:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (76.184.166.234) by p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.192.231) with ESMTP; 16 Sep 2012 16:50:20 -0000 From: "Dave" To: References: Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 11:49:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Selling autos on Ebay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have listed and sold vehicles on ebay. whenever I list anything, I always put in something to the effect: scammers don't bother - this item is not going anywhere until my bank assures me the cash is in my account. that has so far prevented those kinds of experiences. most recently I listed a vehicle (72 VW convertible that I had run across being sold by a friend of a friend way too cheap) and I got a call from arizona (I'm in dallas). he was offering to make the deposit via paypal, and was going to bring me the cash if I would take down the listing. he paypal'd me the $$ so I was still ahead taking down the listing. he brought me cash a few days later and the car is now in arizona. I was skeptical and careful. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 16 14:29:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9032D03B2 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 14:29:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7BE2D01BC for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 14:29:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from frankdcczr6l6k ([unknown] [100.40.63.105]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MAG00FM8MDQPW40@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 15:32:15 -0500 (CDT) From: To: "MG List" Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:32:14 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I purchased two sets of ramps to use for oil changes and working under the front end of my MGBs. One set is steel and I got them at a yard sale after I had bought a hard plastic set at Wal Mart. The problem with both sets is that when I position them in front of the front wheels on my shop floor and attempt to drive up on them they slide forward. The only way I can use them is place them in my gravel driveway which provides enough grip so they don't move. Problem is that I am now forced to lay in the dirt/gravel for working under the car and doing oil changes. Is there a way to keep the ramps from moving on my shop floor when I attempt to drive my car up on them? Frank Krajewski _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 16 14:38:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259662D03B9 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 14:38:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110AB2D01C1 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 14:38:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PetePC ([unknown] [71.180.231.250]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MAG0025UMSP6290@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 15:41:13 -0500 (CDT) From: "Peter Ryner" To: , "MG List" References: <8373CAC18E5E43919EE0F2F73FA12602@frankdcczr6l6k> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:41:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thats why I don't use them. They can also move very easy with the car on them. For me nothing beats a hydraulic floor jack (or a lift if you are lucky enough to have one). They are dangerous and shouldn't be sold in my opinion. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "MG List" Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 4:32 PM Subject: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of >I purchased two sets of ramps to use for oil changes and working under the > front end of my MGBs. One set is steel and I got them at a yard sale after > I > had bought a hard plastic set at Wal Mart. The problem with both sets is > that > when I position them in front of the front wheels on my shop floor and > attempt > to drive up on them they slide forward. The only way I can use them is > place > them in my gravel driveway which provides enough grip so they don't move. > Problem is that I am now forced to lay in the dirt/gravel for working > under > the car and doing oil changes. Is there a way to keep the ramps from > moving on > my shop floor when I attempt to drive my car up on them? > Frank Krajewski > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 16 15:24:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD102D038B for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 15:24:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (imr-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9CE2D0330 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 15:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.133]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8GLQtYJ025867; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:26:55 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.39] (pool-70-105-251-70.port.east.myfairpoint.net [70.105.251.70]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id B7554E00012B; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:26:54 -0400 (EDT) References: <8373CAC18E5E43919EE0F2F73FA12602@frankdcczr6l6k> From: John Elwood Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:26:54 -0400 To: "frankk12@verizon.net" x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347830815; bh=daL/g32NSRx7QpJF1PL8JFOR/cfvUSrjsjHFiFY+0U8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=TrqmfP9+qR5vRQLCnz+xOVCdlWp+QHwnNHBTWhwwrd3IvNjvs9Y+n509j227MiESO K5yn6Ywr3+YpXwgX3fQK5d04j9rakeicnGUweX+JRuyWSoY3Z3WBLbAW+EbjEzNWic GsnX/sjWUift0+DbtYheDX1OCy/JftTWef4dTjEQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33855056441e530c Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 16 16:18:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27AEE2D03BD for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:18:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from msubillings.edu (bilexeg02.msubillings.edu [192.156.215.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEEE62D0341 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:18:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BILEXCH01.msubillings.edu (192.156.215.140) by BILEXEG02.msubillings.edu (192.156.215.143) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.379.0; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:20:59 -0600 Received: from BILEXMB01.msubillings.edu ([169.254.1.78]) by BILEXCH01.msubillings.edu ([192.156.215.140]) with mapi id 14.01.0379.000; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:21:05 -0600 From: "Councill, David" To: "frankk12@verizon.net" , MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of Thread-Index: AQHNlEpv9Kt2d5uoqEWEDB5aeB7TepeNiThg Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 22:21:04 +0000 References: <8373CAC18E5E43919EE0F2F73FA12602@frankdcczr6l6k> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [72.175.92.16] Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The solution should be interesting. I also had this problem. The ramps worked fine back when I didn't have a garage and had to do all my work on a gravel driveway. But when I finally moved to a house with pavement and a garage, the ramps were no longer useful. I bought jack stands instead and use a floor jack. They don't slide, I don't have to worry about lining up with the ramps, and I no longer have the ramps in the way when I need side access (like tightening the bolts on the exhaust flanges). David Councill 64 B 67 BGT 72 B -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of frankk12@verizon.net Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 2:32 PM To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of I purchased two sets of ramps to use for oil changes and working under the front end of my MGBs. One set is steel and I got them at a yard sale after I had bought a hard plastic set at Wal Mart. The problem with both sets is that when I position them in front of the front wheels on my shop floor and attempt to drive up on them they slide forward. The only way I can use them is place them in my gravel driveway which provides enough grip so they don't move. Problem is that I am now forced to lay in the dirt/gravel for working under the car and doing oil changes. Is there a way to keep the ramps from moving on my shop floor when I attempt to drive my car up on them? Frank Krajewski _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 16 16:33:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00AD62D0360 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:33:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D76F42D01FA for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:33:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.64] by nm24.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2012 22:36:29 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.23] by tm4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2012 22:36:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2012 22:36:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 85903 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2012 22:36:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347834989; bh=l9qctNk09C9OrZ6Po8QfxDjmLPh9kkZO3QRis46B4Z4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gTA45bPvViQzUBfj+q5PStdx39R19FfbuHW/Ku9bKPUlkwNu47lc7B5fkZG5rhiwHgLS7IIccmzrr1EOs0LrFAvaLEX6cvvcUkH+2izKIHLGz6HEZ0YECYyR8s++CGtsNefukRFF0ER0d5gBsC5Fd+bb0i5XRgNWu+yzphH4s/c= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MhzFvXvfGWHOCEZVqeBOQbe6h3WTw8XE6olXuOlKa4DQlwW9sASGngIeA2Jk1b2Tpufrkcyl1z6SPQqgJojJS0989BDx12huGZSQZHoYpKSykW6Nwxq3WcP8fhdpu+pJNdLy3/zBPdTVePW6sKYZXG0Q8ORE/rcxhujkSFDie9I=; 4IQ5sSRdn6D5h88ol4pvnVTrGXE_MCfnEM_B6UEbd65.1nkV4VCv.LtG5Rqc iy9cY_fYTrUYAJgVeAs1Act.tLRXEIXhvlAP25lEZtGKSQizyhZHbSLHcUnI 1iDztpGHQgaif3qNNxUUTYHhGZlL7k9Lu9o36LnlYPCIthKXVXaefwKF2aUr _renfoL7qSaKREaB14UvziY2IrRTfBvqTmYX75C08IJm2N1f4QoW8n_M9SQp MCODkmCGN6kHsjuDfeQM20NG2YGuqmvn9yMzg3A6XudIZQ.8fvw3N0.dUymb y7cduqHYqoQtcEMJQPdnlGT_FREjejGEkveVK5LmRaYwsvmaiIkhvYgWOrdC XIHLo6PUCBD1.bvVqhDh.MNpXfemeKEcc9Qurmrs9K8LVDbuineafD3ycWDB MIYPbPglroN06nRGCVzpjysl.DEv7BFF3GZLT Received: from [69.248.128.143] by web39402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 15:36:29 PDT References: <8373CAC18E5E43919EE0F2F73FA12602@frankdcczr6l6k> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 15:36:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: "frankk12@verizon.net" , MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hmm, I would have thought that there would be some sort of flange extending out from the front of the ramp that the front tires would roll over before they started 'uphill'.... Failing that, I wonder if you could duct tape a piece of 2X4 to the floor in front of the ramps to hold them in place? Dan D '76 B Driver '65 B Project Central NJ SA ________________________________ From: "frankk12@verizon.net" To: MG List Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 4:32 PM Subject: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of I purchased two sets of ramps to use for oil changes and working under the front end of my MGBs. One set is steel and I got them at a yard sale after I had bought a hard plastic set at Wal Mart. The problem with both sets is that when I position them in front of the front wheels on my shop floor and attempt to drive up on them they slide forward. The only way I can use them is place them in my gravel driveway which provides enough grip so they don't move. Problem is that I am now forced to lay in the dirt/gravel for working under the car and doing oil changes. Is there a way to keep the ramps from moving on my shop floor when I attempt to drive my car up on them? Frank Krajewski _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 16 16:34:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D012D04BA for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:34:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F1C2D01FA for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:34:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from frankdcczr6l6k ([unknown] [100.40.63.105]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MAG000JCS6IV210@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:37:31 -0500 (CDT) From: To: "Peter Ryner" References: <8373CAC18E5E43919EE0F2F73FA12602@frankdcczr6l6k> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:37:46 -0400 Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Pete: The best solution perhaps is to jack the car up and use jack stands but the ramp solution seemed so much easier until now. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ryner" To: ; "MG List" Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of > Thats why I don't use them. They can also move very easy with the car on > them. For me nothing beats a hydraulic floor jack (or a lift if you are > lucky enough to have one). They are dangerous and shouldn't be sold in my > opinion. > Pete > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "MG List" > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 4:32 PM > Subject: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of > > >>I purchased two sets of ramps to use for oil changes and working under the >> front end of my MGBs. One set is steel and I got them at a yard sale >> after I >> had bought a hard plastic set at Wal Mart. The problem with both sets is >> that >> when I position them in front of the front wheels on my shop floor and >> attempt >> to drive up on them they slide forward. The only way I can use them is >> place >> them in my gravel driveway which provides enough grip so they don't move. >> Problem is that I am now forced to lay in the dirt/gravel for working >> under >> the car and doing oil changes. Is there a way to keep the ramps from >> moving on >> my shop floor when I attempt to drive my car up on them? >> Frank Krajewski >> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 16 16:47:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C432D0438 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:47:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B882D02DD for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:47:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ied10 with SMTP id 10so1132308ied.14 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 15:50:18 -0700 (PDT) h=sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=Dd7W+MZQnueKN7Up0A+yI9C0oAHEMySI5f6Kh4AKl18=; b=huim29gHxPXwM9vuc2HLTT414+SYFvRAZ+hy+KOqcwnOkgtIQVQvplr1HP2mE70lci Zz8cRfIteJ7R6JG2/ERhLgSgKASj10AbgFhouzP40qUUcEASOwZ/4GdD57bnqq0I7G52 R8Kxg8JOHnGLmOwp5vidg6wFTJZniBvFtcrlgFiay1BRBFcuqVFiexYqIXPcDFnEwW+l 1i3dWD8xTVIo5vOA3g/+9P1K7KyNlnGd97AbRJC6jS2pT9CDDGsZlaBQqiN0IOHA9Kg7 /NiZruuUya5o205EYeq9vKCAEG/vIiGwrWWYi5NwyjGsGu1jJtoaCwUhkfOPUbTnXyxl zSWg== Received: by 10.50.57.225 with SMTP id l1mr5123554igq.29.1347835818558; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 15:50:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.11] (174-20-99-83.mpls.qwest.net. [174.20.99.83]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bp8sm13705268igb.12.2012.09.16.15.50.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 16 Sep 2012 15:50:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Root Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:50:14 -0500 References: <8373CAC18E5E43919EE0F2F73FA12602@frankdcczr6l6k> <1347834989.42868.YahooMailNeo@web39402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Dan DiBiase Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I don't have too much trouble with ramps. The secret is to it is to jam the ramps up under the wheel so they contact from the start. I typically have to lift the front end to get the ramp under the valance, on all my cars. They aren't great. I agree. On Sep 16, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Dan DiBiase wrote: > Hmm, I would have thought that there would be some sort of flange extending > out from the front of the ramp that the front > tires would roll over before > they started 'uphill'.... Failing that, I wonder if you could duct tape a > piece of 2X4 to the floor in front > of the ramps to hold them in place? > > Dan D > '76 B Driver > '65 B Project > Central NJ SA > > > ________________________________ > From: "frankk12@verizon.net" > To: MG List > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 4:32 PM > Subject: [Mgs] > MG Related - Sort Of > > I purchased two sets of ramps to use for oil changes > and working under the > front end of my MGBs. One set is steel and I got them at > a yard sale after I > had bought a hard plastic set at Wal Mart. The problem > with both sets is that > when I position them in front of the front wheels on my > shop floor and attempt > to drive up on them they slide forward. The only way I > can use them is place > them in my gravel driveway which provides enough grip so > they don't move. > Problem is that I am now forced to lay in the dirt/gravel for > working under > the car and doing oil changes. Is there a way to keep the ramps > from moving on > my shop floor when I attempt to drive my car up on them? > Frank > Krajewski > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 16 17:02:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07F282D03B9 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:02:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F42B2D0383 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:58:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ied10 with SMTP id 10so1139518ied.14 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:01:05 -0700 (PDT) h=sender:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date :message-id:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=37vfeQFRRw4t+ilZ++hqfUcf1668JpjsX4lXDl0eZgY=; b=w7zt94M/wZlKsGIaUCdCifcZe3n73c4R1oB8sM8jjbDOq9YANE1JqR6H3Tw/J9jvxy XSL0s/qVmUmkI4k5Wjc2Lz92eALC8UlUiNKCWH2Y/FGfXe5Uml27obJksOY0nRQEgAhF cIpHhKremmZCvP3GeXFcarvWi43XZ5pLlusS3wwUJnVWMxToMEFQ1emUz3yhguuXcoWA x/3IXiNMXjw2cRg19omFHqWWeec4LMjTO0r8hl48yWY+w/c772En7a6DawPJawkf3zCz Mg6X2XSbjrHYm4Pgt6xP7hlCKXSIVi1i3HKwZUyNoL7xcB1E1gkLO/f1+sjawrYEfV5m sjWg== Received: by 10.42.212.67 with SMTP id gr3mr7370007icb.44.1347836465604; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.11] (174-20-99-83.mpls.qwest.net. [174.20.99.83]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id va9sm5461652igb.17.2012.09.16.16.01.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:01:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Root Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:01:02 -0500 To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] new muffler Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net So I installed my new mufflers this afternoon. I was expecting it to take a lot longer than it did. But it only took about 45 minutes. The car was hard starting afterward. Am I going to need to resync the carbs etc, after a new muffler. I can't believe how much quieter the new are. Turns out he front seem of the front muffler was busted, the pipe going into the rear muffler was completely busted, and the seam of the rear was blown out. I guess I have actually back pressure now. The carbs aren't tuned right anyway, but I just haven't had time to mess with them. And I took both synchromesh's that I have down to my brother for his TR7. Why both, I'll never know. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 16 17:09:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD392D03DD for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:09:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F692D0383 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:09:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e690f.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.105.15]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MAG003U5TSEKFT0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 19:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 19:11:48 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: MG List References: <8373CAC18E5E43919EE0F2F73FA12602@frankdcczr6l6k> Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net One approach is to attach something like a piece of carpet to the leading edge of the ramp. The carpet extends outward so the tire drives onto it first. With the weight of the car on the carpet, and the carpet attached to the ramp, the ramp can't really move. I have even heard of this being done with just a piece of rope attached to the ramp. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 04:32 PM 9/16/2012, frankk12@verizon.net wrote: >I purchased two sets of ramps to use for oil changes and working under the >front end of my MGBs. One set is steel and I got them at a yard sale after I >had bought a hard plastic set at Wal Mart. The problem with both sets is that >when I position them in front of the front wheels on my shop floor and attempt >to drive up on them they slide forward. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 16 18:13:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB312D03D9 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:13:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi155.prodigy.net (nlpi155.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C022D038B for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:13:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-75-57-195-26.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [75.57.195.26]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi155.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q8H0GI9R010257; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 19:16:18 -0500 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 19:13:46 -0500 To: Steven Trovato , MG List From: Barney Gaylord References: <8373CAC18E5E43919EE0F2F73FA12602@frankdcczr6l6k> <0MAG003U6TSEKFT0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net You're getting close. Solution is to attach a carpet runner to the leading edge of the ramp. But the carpet runner needs to be as long as the wheelbase of the car, so the rear wheel runs onto the carpet before the front wheel hits the ramp. -- You can also place a board on the floor in line with the ramp, one end of the board against the back wall of the garage and the ramp pushed up against the other end of the board. At 07:11 PM 9/16/2012 -0400, Steven Trovato wrote: >One approach is to attach something like a piece of carpet to the >leading edge of the ramp. The carpet extends outward so the tire >drives onto it first. With the weight of the car on the carpet, and >the carpet attached to the ramp, the ramp can't really move. I have >even heard of this being done with just a piece of rope attached to the ramp. >.... >At 04:32 PM 9/16/2012, frankk12@verizon.net wrote: >>I purchased two sets of ramps to use for oil changes and working under the >>front end of my MGBs. One set is steel and I got them at a yard sale after I >>had bought a hard plastic set at Wal Mart. The problem with both >>sets is that >>when I position them in front of the front wheels on my shop floor >>and attempt >>to drive up on them they slide forward. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 16 18:34:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747E62D03A2 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:34:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE162D0353 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:34:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 16 Sep 2012 20:37:16 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA) with ESMTP id BYX35958; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 20:37:16 -0400 Received-SPF: None identity=pra; client-ip=64.121.239.224; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="allenhess@mgcarclub.com"; x-sender="allenhess@mgcarclub.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: Neutral identity=mailfrom; client-ip=64.121.239.224; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="allenhess@mgcarclub.com"; x-sender="allenhess@mgcarclub.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible; x-record-type="v=spf1" Received-SPF: None identity=helo; client-ip=64.121.239.224; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="allenhess@mgcarclub.com"; x-sender="postmaster@[192.168.1.136]"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received: from 64-121-239-224.c3-0.eas-ubr3.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com (HELO [192.168.1.136]) ([64.121.239.224]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 16 Sep 2012 20:37:16 -0400 From: Allen Hess To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 20:37:12 -0400 References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net While I also use a jack with wood blocks and stands, I highly recommend a piece of carpet underneath the whole car. I think it would hold the ramps in place but you have to try it for yourself. For those of us without a lift (most of us?) I don't think there is anything much better than working on a carpeted floor. The season is also approaching when some one of your neighbors (or yourself) will be getting new carpet for the holidays, so it's free too. On Sep 16, 2012, at 8:13 PM, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > You're getting close. Solution is to attach a carpet runner to the > leading edge of the ramp. But the carpet runner needs to be as long > as the wheelbase of the car, so the rear wheel runs onto the carpet > before the front wheel hits the ramp. -- You can also place a > board on the floor in line with the ramp, one end of the board > against the back wall of the garage and the ramp pushed up against > the other end of the board. > > > At 07:11 PM 9/16/2012 -0400, Steven Trovato wrote: >> One approach is to attach something like a piece of carpet to the >> leading edge of the ramp. The carpet extends outward so the tire >> drives onto it first. With the weight of the car on the carpet, >> and the carpet attached to the ramp, the ramp can't really move. I >> have even heard of this being done with just a piece of rope >> attached to the ramp. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 01:40:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD702D03AD for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 01:40:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE2F2D027B for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 01:40:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaaf11 with SMTP id f11so2620622eaa.14 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 00:43:24 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=qJab2cxHPMkYnxSmBg20W1GARuQQAH21BSfOZ4txios=; b=WNOUfBToDjVmfmRDQFsqxirpeYilpEyHkF4qJoG6UfB9TscvgROnSpEEhxF4j47tSs YrtO2AXuKks/iScyY68CWa82qii3saYp1R5CURNRnrCHjUbcO1xZU5rjoD7SS521CI76 KfY0GOYuCQt9UzOmqSt0PXr6szewQrVg+Jed5dmnOWmauGkbXSjDzDuFah6BTO/6a2NO 0f3KlK7xqOc5CRVOHNVNqsX935zWxxm/vJyqAAWb5pSUDegqUVko7e4bL/oPyBL34uTd 1Ygp4kaO7FvIYbw2q8c59i4CNt3veeS1mj1WSpo8wiAeQ5ui7vkjUXc8dBOCZlKtEun6 p3gw== Received: by 10.14.0.198 with SMTP id 46mr12344317eeb.30.1347867804617; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 00:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k49sm25174914een.4.2012.09.17.00.43.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 17 Sep 2012 00:43:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Paul Root" , "MG List" References: <47E5D820-1A6A-4FE7-9ACF-D45E4E080760@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:35:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] new muffler Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Recheck what you did, and that you didn't knock something out of kilter along the way. Unless you adjusted your carbs to suit your knackered exhaust, then they shouldn't need readjusting now, and if you did, well, that explains why they need readjusting now. It is possible that the new exhaust 'restriction' is affecting the breathing, but I wouldn't expect it to be that much. If you know the carbs are out then you should be putting them right anyway, not asking us if you need to! And I presume you mean 'synchronisers' not 'synchromeshes'. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > The car was hard starting afterward. Am I going to need to resync the > carbs > etc, after a new muffler. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 02:03:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423BC2D03A2 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 02:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E242D0383 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 02:02:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaaf11 with SMTP id f11so2629541eaa.14 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 01:05:54 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=tnWQKDexu+zPnFqp87yMORNG+q1EEEOqo8baG8aJ0eE=; b=XMQ34R20/5UbcJ30ap0zX4f5Pfo9MGiYV8xw2XFsXt1JnrvSdiMWcpC7Y17G0m6UO1 w36jIlnRG8mL+jtavsh1TOL/B8ZY7BYbCPQfCX657zPLyk+/h9N1xTBy9h0cDAxmlIFB SyXtUQfwth5QeH0mlzP1AKgp7TPrkvkFrnB+PcAk54NaN9yJ3nJKGyyadP5/bw5wrvEB x7a6b+dM39HXacYbdVq++ru5XbOws/ByGiS+rmPLEm4pIo814QIS9zelF0UUX8LSrr9A Q7tBJLTUzzgI0UJPW6w6tOjvm1fo6aOjHwJOXAmPYIV+q/X9yMG2YjWt+JVIohstZ4X7 KsFA== Received: by 10.14.173.131 with SMTP id v3mr12378538eel.15.1347869154790; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 01:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y1sm25371843eel.0.2012.09.17.01.05.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 17 Sep 2012 01:05:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: , "MG List" References: <8373CAC18E5E43919EE0F2F73FA12602@frankdcczr6l6k> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:43:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mine, and the jack and axle stands were fine on my old knackered tarmac drive as they just dug in. But I'm not allowed to use them on the new tarmac drive, and the ramps skid on the smooth painted floor of the (double-length, single-width) garage. I have a section of about a yard of rougher concrete where they can be used but it is in the narrow garage entrance with little room to squeeze past the car in that location, and it was a pain servicing three cars this year. So I bought a set of full-length ramps at a fraction of their original price from a pal of a pal who has invested in a four-post hoist - http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/ramps.htm These are QwikLift, who I noticed went out of business immediately after I committed to buy them, hope it wasn't for safety issues! PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >I purchased two sets of ramps to use for oil changes and working under the > front end of my MGBs. One set is steel and I got them at a yard sale after > I > had bought a hard plastic set at Wal Mart. The problem with both sets is > that > when I position them in front of the front wheels on my shop floor and > attempt > to drive up on them they slide forward. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 06:16:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F18B2D047B for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 06:16:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 800A72D0426 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 06:16:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120917121901.RQG1732.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:19:01 +0100 Received: from TomVistaPC ([82.15.7.85]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with SMTP id <20120917121901.IUOA8396.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@TomVistaPC> for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:19:01 +0100 From: "Tom McCay - Classic-Car-World Ltd" To: "MG List" Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:18:53 +0100 cv=GaEGOwq9FwezmTggA+b6yC6zDZF2HYaK6RN/tSqdnVA= c=1 sm=0 a=SwtCKMz6xJQA:10 a=qJSTaHS7k8gA:10 a=7mEKAIYHoh1L3JXndvIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=o_e8epMkQBLf076KZMAA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Subject: [Mgs] MGA Brake Calipers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Guys, what's the general consensus on painting the front brake calipers on an MGA1600? I'm in the middle of a full rebuild and currently shot blasting and painting the front suspension. Were the front calipers originally painted or plated? Many thanks Tom MGA 1600 MkI AH3000 MkIII BJ8 Classic Mini Park Lane _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 07:23:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FBEB2D04A5 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 07:23:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2262D01FA for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 07:22:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ied10 with SMTP id 10so2174922ied.14 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 06:25:52 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:x-priority :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to:x-mailer; bh=q5d+nlwF1G8XHKSfzY242d7icwCUDVsFr4tgiVaGkwo=; b=iqK2UhqRjtSe55PzfsHROl0uLsVV6ygpfDRCYnmSuyL3/73oJ25G7OaRWQMy7IfEOq PhANMDFTaVskrJHa6VNfB1bAsMB+E3xi+RnaiTB5rym8Sbv+uAzq/mjsS+2PRsApfN69 7ERRlyYHRtB0URvW4RNLLyuRXWKXSHdpK7LJ8bjuuXwrarJwzYTxdl9udu0W6xKtpHGM ZhbZ9TarTn3MdMS3JqmEE4zJhJz3mxoydigna7zQlFya1a0uRk2LuiNt2QIjpvCjkBOs M4VJeLRVm1e6r2JPYfzliuS1nGe7qYVbUrRRKs5ODeI5Hs3yqHr5Gu95py93ye8KXEWJ nfIQ== Received: by 10.42.156.1 with SMTP id x1mr8751808icw.51.1347888352390; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 06:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aces.iaces.com ([204.147.87.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p8sm7506909igl.16.2012.09.17.06.25.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 17 Sep 2012 06:25:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Root Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:25:47 -0500 References: <47E5D820-1A6A-4FE7-9ACF-D45E4E080760@gmail.com> <11F5054377194EC1B2854612CF597CB7@paul> To: "PaulHunt73" Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] new muffler Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I didn't write that well. The carbs are synch'd and run well, but are a bit hard to get started. I do get about 25mpg (US). So I believe it's pretty close. But I just think that I could get it to start a little easier. My question really was, could changing the exhaust cause issues like this, or is it more likely that I knocked something out of kilter. And yes, synchronizer not synchromesh. On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:35 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > Recheck what you did, and that you didn't knock something out of kilter along the way. Unless you adjusted your carbs to suit your knackered exhaust, then they shouldn't need readjusting now, and if you did, well, that explains why they need readjusting now. It is possible that the new exhaust 'restriction' is affecting the breathing, but I wouldn't expect it to be that much. If you know the carbs are out then you should be putting them right anyway, not asking us if you need to! And I presume you mean 'synchronisers' not 'synchromeshes'. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> The car was hard starting afterward. Am I going to need to resync the carbs >> etc, after a new muffler. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 07:39:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A29422D04AB for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 07:39:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.francomm.com (mail.francomm.com [208.78.32.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 108192D0438 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 07:36:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pete200 (66-109-47-177.dialup.francomm.com [66.109.47.177]) by mail.francomm.com with SMTP; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:39:27 -0400 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <47E5D820-1A6A-4FE7-9ACF-D45E4E080760@gmail.com> <11F5054377194EC1B2854612CF597CB7@paul> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:38:39 -0400 From: "Pete Chast" User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.02 (Win32) Subject: Re: [Mgs] new muffler Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Change the air flow is to change the mixture. Quieter is often less flow and suggests lean out the fuel flow. On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:25:47 -0400, Paul Root wrote: > I didn't write that well. > > The carbs are synch'd and run well, but are a bit hard to get started. I > do > get about 25mpg (US). So I believe it's pretty close. But I just think > that I > could get it to start a little easier. > > My question really was, could changing the exhaust cause issues like > this, or > is it more likely that I knocked something out of kilter. > > And yes, synchronizer not synchromesh. > > On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:35 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > >> Recheck what you did, and that you didn't knock something out of kilter > along the way. Unless you adjusted your carbs to suit your knackered > exhaust, > then they shouldn't need readjusting now, and if you did, well, that > explains > why they need readjusting now. It is possible that the new exhaust > 'restriction' is affecting the breathing, but I wouldn't expect it to be > that > much. If you know the carbs are out then you should be putting them > right > anyway, not asking us if you need to! And I presume you mean > 'synchronisers' > not 'synchromeshes'. >> >> PaulH. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> The car was hard starting afterward. Am I going to need to resync the > carbs >>> etc, after a new muffler. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/pchast@francomm.com -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 07:55:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD712D046A for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 07:55:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from beta.look.ca (beta.look.ca [216.66.192.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7747E2D02A2 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 07:55:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lns1-pool-d8428a24.dsl.look.ca ([216.66.138.36] helo=tower.look.ca) by beta.look.ca with esmtpa (user simplyyoga@look.ca)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TDbqQ-00076l-AV; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:58:38 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:46:34 -0400 To: "Dave" , From: Barrie Robinson References: <518B87C8818D42BD8C95561BF54C1DE4@Spitfire> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Selling autos on Ebay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, Getting cash in the bank does not save you from scammers. Banks post your "purchaser's" cheque to your account - so you reckon you have the cash. But the bank can take up to three weeks to clear the cheque with the "purchaser's" bank. They then find the cheque is a phony.............so they deduct the cash from your account ! OUCH. The only way is to get your bank that THEY have got the money against the cheque. In Canada a US cheque will usually take 3 weeks to clear. Of course, the best way is get the purchaser to use PayPal At 11:49 AM 9/16/2012 -0500, Dave wrote: >I have listed and sold vehicles on ebay. whenever I list anything, >I always put in something to the effect: scammers don't bother - >this item is not going anywhere until my bank assures me the cash is >in my account. > >that has so far prevented those kinds of experiences. > >most recently I listed a vehicle (72 VW convertible that I had run >across being sold by a friend of a friend way too cheap) and I got a >call from arizona (I'm in dallas). he was offering to make the >deposit via paypal, and was going to bring me the cash if I would >take down the listing. he paypal'd me the $$ so I was still ahead >taking down the listing. he brought me cash a few days later and >the car is now in arizona. I was skeptical and careful. >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca Regards Barrie barrie@look.ca 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 08:15:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5D52D0489 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:15:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0F52D0424 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:15:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaaf11 with SMTP id f11so2793004eaa.14 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 07:18:44 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:cc:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=DJ6NSu7HJnG2Pl9txUmyfkA8JTx7Zvwfo7NU3v/2A54=; b=IazGuzsDOGOMJ2vypvYJS0iRZoWifQczrQWugTxwMK4PjhDg/reiTy7NirB1Clbb2d M3czIIOQadBhqJzdLBGQj8D4+Hs5OVC2JTX76nzulO7gK2UMiJ+1rfhQGAlgQDC0xSea EXo0jRjmnLwiVlJgIhXA4sY8xcvAfvAJxgyEoEgfsw49RujkPJvTdRz0w2ELOvMD4VYV zI1TNk9CZFBC7RJ/u72np+8+m5JgxzyJ6tRw0wjHo9P5uDrYjoMDCcf44040FRh8VOWe lJFErY0g5QVlwX3wJMSIvnoO+Z1qmc2Rd9zuPudg6/hLdvNCVjJ4ZEbDZHWFnI8VBmKx 6smQ== Received: by 10.14.179.200 with SMTP id h48mr13794412eem.12.1347891523973; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 07:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h42sm28156032eem.5.2012.09.17.07.18.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 17 Sep 2012 07:18:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Paul Root" References: <47E5D820-1A6A-4FE7-9ACF-D45E4E080760@gmail.com> <11F5054377194EC1B2854612CF597CB7@paul> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:15:58 +0100 Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] new muffler Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net In my experience changing the breathing i.e. air filters and exhaust will affect mixture *through the throttle range* i.e. you may well get it spot on at idle but with a freer flowing engine find that you get flat spots at a wider throttle opening, I had to go for 'richer' needles on my V8 with these two things modified (by a PO I hasten to add). The corollary of that is with a more restrictive setup it could get richer through the range, but should still be easy to set up correctly for idle. At idle (and by implication starting) changing the restriction of intake and exhaust has negligible effect, unless there is a massive vacuum leak in the intake or severely choked exhaust. Hard starting when cold could be over-rich if the weather is very warm, or not rich enough if it is cold. Hard starting from hot is usually over rich. In both cases that's if mixture *is* the problem, there can be other reasons of course. What is your ambient temp currently, do you use the choke, and how much? If it's warm, and you habitually pull the choke out fully to start with a 'cold' engine, try pulling it half way. After checking/adjusting the mixture with the lifting pins (or whatever) first of course. If you are confident they are balanced, then only adjust both carbs by the same amount in the same direction. If you find the lifting pins give different results for the two carbs then they will have to be set up from scratch. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- The carbs are synch'd and run well, but are a bit hard to get started. I do get about 25mpg (US). So I believe it's pretty close. But I just think that I could get it to start a little easier. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 09:30:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB4C2D04C4 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:30:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 860052D047B for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:30:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [72.30.22.92] by nm26.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2012 15:33:50 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.6] by tm14.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2012 15:33:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2012 15:33:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 62623 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Sep 2012 15:33:49 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347896029; bh=mbvgULXornLEaYnswSTBeiSE0CfTFQJrX/2tFBwlUcs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Q9BRdoiT3asR+TK6XvqavOPGiFMLEFrebIIY2CMP4Z+HsqjDij5LC9O0QGzGFv6TUjCPSHrWnyRrKtR4bPOWgbRbXlxTwW/FB6c+uAQA+3zBzMyky+7i94SunuBEz89nfiO1atjJOeELglkbO5iRtKvajdjAFlSqRuzBql6bNik= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kMQwMUZYP5GSedLlLdKYUm0B7dPaYDNiN0Njt6dDoq+oW44AmspEluV8T4QwLNhVjm7MuDIzawNkIpuupIyikORTYkOHVMOajG8kIeiakU5nkCQM11ay3I0xvtoHS0HC3r5BHgZRmYl9tC6ZJSsdIXhUovJJLAN6YTuBoTSsmzw=; LPIy_Wy_pXgDysmxXxHT85Y6HOkuJpy3WqbTWFCPt0GQoXrJp2dJPzoWTZiA pVVisOx8yG4QH89EBL8Q27NA7wpzbBvbMvOpvEAUocuKsOiUSCYWre7H3Vad BnUbUTgXjBDVTEbjhQ9K2Z_4URHrc1GQJU5lIjV9u7QE8tE5lDXxKeRZ7eB4 wfFshTk3bO5x20biC8hsehuAc8_p95vKeOtNlk92vevS0McK61ojGGyTG752 wWB96_HwUKUPvZA7oHa6cVL0fq4Pk3dIklHMqC3YTxK7KymNUlt8vHeQrBby RNz.B9pLym.ODkbDJAQsT8s0Ee3HTJlIYtAUxKeVUHCFszrvm1AdSN4esQ1p XLxH101AtgM6TOZbptJ.Jvq2B2JaezDruR7opJF.Lr1BKTFJ5GgHcgszmWss T5Yfql8axVgvJ8HXxiY9M8ALGf9yyKY0pVrjPrFSgcygU4Sj6Uu9xUtdhBi2 HvH_k_mNZViKo0isJKnqPO7JD8pfivXumdZd1UzEI9nfkuHiD._KDAsku0aR W8Q7pFBX3GtLny5.FK_Vn1Q-- Received: from [69.248.128.143] by web39402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:33:49 PDT References: <8373CAC18E5E43919EE0F2F73FA12602@frankdcczr6l6k> <31CF385E171D4C02AEDB7FB82EE8BC9B@paul> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:33:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: PaulHunt73 , "frankk12@verizon.net" , MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Oh, those are really nice, Paul.... How does one raise the front end once the car is on them? Dan D '76 B Driver '65 B Project Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: PaulHunt73 To: frankk12@verizon.net; MG List Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 3:43 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of Mine, and the jack and axle stands were fine on my old knackered tarmac drive as they just dug in. But I'm not allowed to use them on the new tarmac drive, and the ramps skid on the smooth painted floor of the (double-length, single-width) garage. I have a section of about a yard of rougher concrete where they can be used but it is in the narrow garage entrance with little room to squeeze past the car in that location, and it was a pain servicing three cars this year. So I bought a set of full-length ramps at a fraction of their original price from a pal of a pal who has invested in a four-post hoist - http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/ramps.htm These are QwikLift, who I noticed went out of business immediately after I committed to buy them, hope it wasn't for safety issues! PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > I purchased two sets of ramps to use for oil changes and working under the > front end of my MGBs. One set is steel and I got them at a yard sale after I > had bought a hard plastic set at Wal Mart. The problem with both sets is that > when I position them in front of the front wheels on my shop floor and attempt > to drive up on them they slide forward. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 09:57:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DA02D04B0 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:57:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B1E2D03B2 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:56:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaaf11 with SMTP id f11so2838084eaa.14 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:59:56 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole :x-gm-message-state; bh=hy79e+0U40zfmXe0ltkAGjtsZYNP7n6Of5MDDu0eOzs=; b=FgAigaXMw0FCR2HdbQdG16qqFhBmbLt9rWdXAH6tgsYYV+AA7VwRZjEw+7CbFqCH/F NYQS+BoJbSeYTUA9yNQU9sXjDzV8a5cdfxzST1Imx9+A7/G0GVW8Ngvqm2G5vZMQHgCT 82SsHEGg1eqmPZ95b+2v6pbtBAyfAqFmMDCf//B304gqWM8kyZ2wLfpiDLNmZIUA+mbS F8KsRUz6Y4kbEvsKQalh5Le9i/Qt3C5cD20BeD6riMpYgbb+4l8S8OeaDpTxyMPkkdwq iuNptsCWtiSirfgKVOcVDrAe+t2ytCio0y1oLKRyr8nzyftp/AaxXA+SeOHw5XYMbkOI aADw== Received: by 10.14.202.131 with SMTP id d3mr14257827eeo.32.1347897595872; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e42sm28874812eem.8.2012.09.17.08.59.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:59:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Dan DiBiase" , , "MG List" References: <8373CAC18E5E43919EE0F2F73FA12602@frankdcczr6l6k> <31CF385E171D4C02AEDB7FB82EE8BC9B@paul> <1347896029.48051.YahooMailNeo@web39402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:01:29 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Jack under the curvy tube. That pivots up so the jack can get under it to raise, then down so the car can drive on and off over it. From the angle of the last one it looks like it would pass over it anyway, but I haven't tried that! PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan DiBiase To: PaulHunt73 ; frankk12@verizon.net ; MG List Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of Oh, those are really nice, Paul.... How does one raise the front end once the car is on them? Dan D '76 B Driver '65 B Project Central NJ USA ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: PaulHunt73 To: frankk12@verizon.net; MG List Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 3:43 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of Mine, and the jack and axle stands were fine on my old knackered tarmac drive as they just dug in. But I'm not allowed to use them on the new tarmac drive, and the ramps skid on the smooth painted floor of the (double-length, single-width) garage. I have a section of about a yard of rougher concrete where they can be used but it is in the narrow garage entrance with little room to squeeze past the car in that location, and it was a pain servicing three cars this year. So I bought a set of full-length ramps at a fraction of their original price from a pal of a pal who has invested in a four-post hoist - http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/ramps.htm These are QwikLift, who I noticed went out of business immediately after I committed to buy them, hope it wasn't for safety issues! PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > I purchased two sets of ramps to use for oil changes and working under the > front end of my MGBs. One set is steel and I got them at a yard sale after I > had bought a hard plastic set at Wal Mart. The problem with both sets is that > when I position them in front of the front wheels on my shop floor and attempt > to drive up on them they slide forward. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 10:45:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276CD2D04C7 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:45:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3ACE2D0274 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:45:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Spitfire ([208.81.50.18]) by m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id 0Gej1k0040PZN7C01GeoR7; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:38:49 -0700 From: "Dave" To: , "Barrie Robinson" References: <518B87C8818D42BD8C95561BF54C1DE4@Spitfire> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:37:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Selling autos on Ebay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I am not that naive. there is a big difference between check posted and cash actually there. if you look again - what I said was "the bank assures me that the cash is in my account." not that a check has been deposited -----Original Message----- From: Barrie Robinson Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 8:46 AM To: Dave ; mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Selling autos on Ebay Dave, Getting cash in the bank does not save you from scammers. Banks post your "purchaser's" cheque to your account - so you reckon you have the cash. But the bank can take up to three weeks to clear the cheque with the "purchaser's" bank. They then find the cheque is a phony.............so they deduct the cash from your account ! OUCH. The only way is to get your bank that THEY have got the money against the cheque. In Canada a US cheque will usually take 3 weeks to clear. Of course, the best way is get the purchaser to use PayPal At 11:49 AM 9/16/2012 -0500, Dave wrote: >I have listed and sold vehicles on ebay. whenever I list anything, I >always put in something to the effect: scammers don't bother - this item >is not going anywhere until my bank assures me the cash is in my account. > >that has so far prevented those kinds of experiences. > >most recently I listed a vehicle (72 VW convertible that I had run across >being sold by a friend of a friend way too cheap) and I got a call from >arizona (I'm in dallas). he was offering to make the deposit via paypal, >and was going to bring me the cash if I would take down the listing. he >paypal'd me the $$ so I was still ahead taking down the listing. he >brought me cash a few days later and the car is now in arizona. I was >skeptical and careful. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 12:01:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A699C2D04EB for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:01:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from iota.look.ca (iota.look.ca [216.66.192.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BB12D046F for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:58:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lns1-pool-d8428a24.dsl.look.ca ([216.66.138.36] helo=tower.look.ca) by iota.look.ca with esmtpa (user simplyyoga@look.ca)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TDfd5-0007Kw-5b; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:01:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:34:38 -0400 To: Allen Hess ,mgs@autox.team.net From: Barrie Robinson References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Allen, You know you are damn right! Putting carpet down is brilliant. I really get very cold working on my polished marble floors. But such floors do have an advantage - they keep the white wine colder longer. Mind you I could always get the maid to keep topping up my glass, although she is not too keen on doing that.......something about her uniform having such a short skirt. At 08:37 PM 9/16/2012 -0400, Allen Hess wrote: >While I also use a jack with wood blocks and stands, I highly >recommend a piece of carpet underneath the whole car. I think it would >hold the ramps in place but you have to try it for yourself. For those >of us without a lift (most of us?) I don't think there is anything >much better than working on a carpeted floor. The season is also >approaching when some one of your neighbors (or yourself) will be >getting new carpet for the holidays, so it's free too. > >On Sep 16, 2012, at 8:13 PM, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > > > You're getting close. Solution is to attach a carpet runner to the > > leading edge of the ramp. But the carpet runner needs to be as long > > as the wheelbase of the car, so the rear wheel runs onto the carpet > > before the front wheel hits the ramp. -- You can also place a > > board on the floor in line with the ramp, one end of the board > > against the back wall of the garage and the ramp pushed up against > > the other end of the board. > > > > > > At 07:11 PM 9/16/2012 -0400, Steven Trovato wrote: > >> One approach is to attach something like a piece of carpet to the > >> leading edge of the ramp. The carpet extends outward so the tire > >> drives onto it first. With the weight of the car on the carpet, > >> and the carpet attached to the ramp, the ramp can't really move. I > >> have even heard of this being done with just a piece of rope > >> attached to the ramp. >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca Regards Barrie barrie@look.ca 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 12:51:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917A22D03D6 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:51:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC592D04DD for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:51:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e690f.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.105.15]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MAI00F8TCIOFOM0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:53:15 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: mgs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net My concern with carpet in a garage is fire safety. Any garage with MGs is going to involve oil drips. Then park a nice hot exhaust over it. Possibly even a car with a catalytic converter that is even hotter. Doesn't sound like the safest scenario to me. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 10:34 AM 9/17/2012, Barrie Robinson wrote: >Allen, > >You know you are damn right! Putting carpet down is brilliant. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 13:07:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9852D05D1 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:07:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F1D2D04E1 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:07:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-57.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.57]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q8HJA0Tu019712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:10:06 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.32.0.111121 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:03:52 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] MG related - Sort Of Thread-Index: Ac2VBy0+kC8etudGaEOBnTBf49zwjw== Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, that and general maintenance. If all you do is park a late-model car in it, and store kiddy toys, fine. But if you have any kind of workbench where you generate sawdust, metal filings, or solvent splashes, a carpet quickly becomes a real mess. on 9/17/12 11:53 AM, Steven Trovato at strovato@optonline.net wrote: > My concern with carpet in a garage is fire safety. Any garage with > MGs is going to involve oil drips. Then park a nice hot exhaust over > it. Possibly even a car with a catalytic converter that is even > hotter. Doesn't sound like the safest scenario to me. > > -Steve Trovato > strovato@optonline.net > > At 10:34 AM 9/17/2012, Barrie Robinson wrote: >> Allen, >> >> You know you are damn right! Putting carpet down is brilliant. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 13:12:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC772D05BF for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:12:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826202D0506 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:11:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from frankdcczr6l6k ([unknown] [100.40.63.105]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MAI007HCDGRWO70@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:14:52 -0500 (CDT) From: To: "MG List" , "Steven Trovato" References: <0MAI00F8UCIOFOM0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:15:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Good point. I do have carpets under several of my cars but not in the floor work area of my shop as it makes too difficult to roll the floor jjack around on it. The carpet is there primarily as a moistire barrier. Frank Krajewski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Trovato" To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG related - Sort Of > My concern with carpet in a garage is fire safety. Any garage with MGs is > going to involve oil drips. Then park a nice hot exhaust over it. > Possibly even a car with a catalytic converter that is even hotter. > Doesn't sound like the safest scenario to me. > > -Steve Trovato > strovato@optonline.net > > At 10:34 AM 9/17/2012, Barrie Robinson wrote: >>Allen, >> >>You know you are damn right! Putting carpet down is brilliant. > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 16:39:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2528C2D0634 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:39:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7357E2D0625 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:39:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004962 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q8HMgms5023619; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:42:48 -0700 Received: by dm0205.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4830c63d) id dm0205.504968f5.233ede1; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:42:44 -0700 From: "Chad" To: , "'MG List'" References: <8373CAC18E5E43919EE0F2F73FA12602@frankdcczr6l6k> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:42:40 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac2USnCHKRSqyBFhTP+ycRCckHXb3QA2x84g Content-Language: en-us engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-09-17_04:2012-09-17,2012-09-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1209170194 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I bought a cheap Yoga matt at wal-mart and cut it in half one piece under each ramp Chad '72 B Rdstr -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of frankk12@verizon.net Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:32 PM To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of I purchased two sets of ramps to use for oil changes and working under the front end of my MGBs. One set is steel and I got them at a yard sale after I had bought a hard plastic set at Wal Mart. The problem with both sets is that when I position them in front of the front wheels on my shop floor and attempt to drive up on them they slide forward. The only way I can use them is place them in my gravel driveway which provides enough grip so they don't move. Problem is that I am now forced to lay in the dirt/gravel for working under the car and doing oil changes. Is there a way to keep the ramps from moving on my shop floor when I attempt to drive my car up on them? Frank Krajewski _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgb72@airmail.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 19:35:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5732D063B for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:35:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8412D061E for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:35:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0G3P1k00216AWCUACReaxn; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 01:38:34 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:2601:5:600:3c:58fc:f960:da15:ac33] ([IPv6:2601:5:600:3c:58fc:f960:da15:ac33]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0ReX1k00f1pYEwT8SReZR5; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 01:38:34 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 20:38:35 -0500 From: Glenn Schnittke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] new muffler Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I've gotten into the habit of synching not just the idle but the fast idle as well. I've run across a number of cars recently that the regular linkage was spot on and the choke linkage was way out of whack. Check that when you pull the choke both jets are moving about the same distance. Thousandths of an inch here aren't important. If they are within 1/16" on full choke that should be close enough. And make sure the jets aren't lowered while you're on fast idle alone. As you let the choke in, the jets should find home before the fast idle screws leave the cam and while they're on the cam they should be in synch. I hope that all makes sense. Had a B in a few weeks ago that had a screwed up choke linkage on the back carb to the point that there was a good 1/4" difference between the jet depths on full choke. That can make a difference on cold running. The only other thing I can think of that would affect cold starts is valve adjustment. If one or two valves are on the edge they might be opening fine when hot but not so much when cold. That's my two cents worth and I can't find a cent key on my computer. What good is this thing? Glenn Message: 5 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:25:47 -0500 From: Paul Root To: "PaulHunt73" Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] new muffler Message-ID: I didn't write that well. The carbs are synch'd and run well, but are a bit hard to get started. I do get about 25mpg (US). So I believe it's pretty close. But I just think that I could get it to start a little easier. My question really was, could changing the exhaust cause issues like this, or is it more likely that I knocked something out of kilter. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 20:12:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568F12D063A for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 20:12:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A822D0639 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 20:12:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta001 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q8I2DFgQ029023; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:15:12 -0700 Received: by dm0227.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4830c63d) id dm0227.504968be.28f4b2; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:15:12 -0700 From: "Chad" To: , "'MG List'" References: <8373CAC18E5E43919EE0F2F73FA12602@frankdcczr6l6k> <007c01cd9525$befe0720$3cfa1560$@net> <6BA59C0633C3437C8F53984FB18EB68A@frankdcczr6l6k> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:15:09 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac2VLtK5JuZJDGtLQQWyIH2+2EoYQgAE91bg Content-Language: en-us engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-09-17_05:2012-09-17,2012-09-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1209170223 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net It Sure did and it has held up. I thought the ramps might cut through it but they haven't and they work great. My garage floor is sealed and is very slick. The ramps leave an imprint in the matt, but it goes away by the next time I use them. I actually got the ramps for my camaro, so much heavier than the B. -----Original Message----- From: frankk12@verizon.net [mailto:frankk12@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 6:48 PM To: Chad Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of Great idea. Did it work? Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad" To: ; "'MG List'" Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 6:42 PM Subject: RE: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of >I bought a cheap Yoga matt at wal-mart and cut it in half one piece under > each ramp > > Chad > '72 B Rdstr > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of frankk12@verizon.net > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:32 PM > To: MG List > Subject: [Mgs] MG Related - Sort Of > > I purchased two sets of ramps to use for oil changes and working under the > front end of my MGBs. One set is steel and I got them at a yard sale after > I > had bought a hard plastic set at Wal Mart. The problem with both sets is > that when I position them in front of the front wheels on my shop floor > and > attempt to drive up on them they slide forward. The only way I can use > them > is place them in my gravel driveway which provides enough grip so they > don't > move. > Problem is that I am now forced to lay in the dirt/gravel for working > under > the car and doing oil changes. Is there a way to keep the ramps from > moving > on my shop floor when I attempt to drive my car up on them? > Frank Krajewski > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgb72@airmail.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 20:28:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23E92D0656 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 20:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm17-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 881392D04DB for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 20:26:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.194] by nm17.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2012 02:29:35 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.54] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2012 02:29:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2012 02:29:35 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347935375; bh=RjOoFsH62buxOBMWEEeRRaNJXrLlwJSE1+Ewq533feI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ptr2TRyNg0Ijo2hPU5iLQrtv9rOpvlAXlmtXMeaD12Wprhd2ZaBhOctlSAd6P2oAxj/qu60u0GPxPejIwszXhmgXAOnZcml4L2YyrZ781DCJHrcSIwMQIQnbEBlsHmhaJmYQamWnHy81k2hkjCpoESvV2HijByiufi3Xn7V29gs= 1Mq3Yqs6ivNHERkJSb538JJbnWZDaJ35dBHJE1XlitK8G9NsVcD.T.l0IrdK rAOc6pI_BP_qSy.KxInQwlSjpEyovyxrd0n3qQMC4Uz0pxb8dv8fyIIZupDE MGBgfnVRn6.1qDsUbcVuI4AlHDBI6ksfUUxp_qvCNU.Iq4s4.bdt_jRVxrex Kh3KuivEH0UMpVm1BfHStqIbR2hcWGhKjGxDfLQdKRXaKFdlJhubq4ZNh8cz brVvnseZWsm1mWRHXWnsezuYRwUZKrPkeQX6kT7bExDd9D2oSRkJKHzL31.t sbxKecEw1lPe8n2OBPMukVK4ixS.6fIVPlJKVbQqEORy_jdlz7yP6r_.Oj3v b5fTfMo4ppV7ngUzWJkgBHC9zP4tPWuCY6lHjaZXT9d5gLAOGS7WOnc19wUV wV2h3ooRw7d99X8dLGP_kV4RYTyF1kYPn Received: from [127.0.0.1] (chillmog@99.9.234.42 with plain) by smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2012 19:29:34 -0700 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:29:32 -0500 From: Charles Hill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <5057D09B.40908@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Mgs] new muffler - cent key Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Glenn, You won't find the cent key on your keyboard but it is there. With a Windows PC, hold down the "Alt" key, type 0162 on the numeric keypad then release the "Alt" key. These are ASCII codes and there are a bunch of them. The Pound sign is ALT + 0163. Of course, Macs do it their own way. Charles Hill On 9/17/2012 8:38 PM, Glenn Schnittke wrote: > > > That can make a difference on cold running. The only other thing I can > think of that would affect cold starts is valve adjustment. If one or > two valves are on the edge they might be opening fine when hot but not > so much when cold. That's my two cents worth and I can't find a cent > key on my computer. What good is this thing? > > Glenn _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 22:31:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C06CB2D0661 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 22:31:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055962D063A for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 22:27:46 -0600 (MDT) cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=FB6NmUnAAagA:10 a=jUVDh8p243AA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=qlg4szwFvCZavj3B54UA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=3xukPVBMGqZXD+exCsmdVA==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.31.45] ([72.172.31.45:61806] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 7A/5A-06055-4F8F7505; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:30:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 23:30:40 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: MG List References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Just gotta comment: If I'm changing oil or doing other routine maintenance, I do it outside in the driveway, which is blacktop. If I mean to do more than that - last thing was replacing brake MC and bleeding all 4 corners - I do it in the garage, which is sealed concrete. In that case I had the car up on 4 jack stands. I scooted around on a creeper then. What a PITA that job was! Ennyhoo, by the time I'd jack around with ramps I can have the car up on 4 jack stands. Lift the front, put the jack stands; lift the rear, put the jack stands; remove the jack and go after what you had in mind........ Oh, and what you had in mind doing dictates where you locate the jack stands........ CR _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 22:46:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1618A2D0657 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 22:46:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6D22D05F7 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 22:44:47 -0600 (MDT) cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=FB6NmUnAAagA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=FARkS_ciVqBnrgE_lX0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=3xukPVBMGqZXD+exCsmdVA==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.31.45] ([72.172.31.45:61830] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id D2/95-21063-1FCF7505; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:47:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 23:47:41 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: PaulHunt73 References: <47E5D820-1A6A-4FE7-9ACF-D45E4E080760@gmail.com> <11F5054377194EC1B2854612CF597CB7@paul> <648B69081164471D856FA5D02574D7F9@paul> Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] new muffler Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Um, when I built the engine in the 1970 B that I had (sorry I sold it) I had to change the needles in the HS4s so as to richen the midrange. AIR, there were also different jets for hipro engines. You sort of juggled jets & needles around. If you got it right, it pulled like a train. Had a Crane cam in that one. Ran good. CR On 9/17/2012 9:15 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > In my experience changing the breathing i.e. air filters and exhaust > will affect mixture *through the throttle range* i.e. you may well get > it spot on at idle but with a freer flowing engine find that you get > flat spots at a wider throttle opening, I had to go for 'richer' > needles on my V8 with these two things modified (by a PO I hasten to > add). _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 18 01:13:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DED92D0666 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 01:13:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437A42D0530 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 01:13:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaaf11 with SMTP id f11so3068032eaa.14 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:16:18 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=d1wH5NbnVexU+WWR6QRB8tUcbxw3GHLQjYNwm0Kotf8=; b=aijFUy0cd9Jlt0NYUBpN5apOhH5tF5jsYESvbxOPyIAkhcibsXTCOE4M4/D6+cE8AM zAIoy15a1LNDnnEwcdaP9V8vYMTMMtWVtrSbW8bNsFL9YfCWx1nRtcE7G7zr/etjz0mt KDk1fj2IEgTxaYFo+iHr7AYQwsqr8UeFdYh3zUxUk+19cqaMYAj+YtJEMWqS4Qqi2awI a94NbDwoHC+mnQjf9GlR/PjdS7DKJ5Q3/XUdkNHoqDts8LTCvKCghr+6kwb3UnWQ2nKP qCD33x08H5z/vZpLNEw8wxNxa8FPKxY9qf8XFpM4U/a1Yghg/qQXRR8OhxkaQRwlkogn p6AA== Received: by 10.14.206.201 with SMTP id l49mr16531346eeo.3.1347952578522; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 46sm4327815eef.17.2012.09.18.00.16.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:16:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: References: <518B87C8818D42BD8C95561BF54C1DE4@Spitfire> <5A7D557932B64A75A77D092AAE9C13E4@Spitfire> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 07:51:31 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Selling autos on Ebay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I wouldn't rely on a typical bank call-centre telling you that. The typical Joe or Joanne there probably doesn't realise that even though the deposit is showing in your account, and available to draw (which is the next stage), it could still be clawed back. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > if you look again - what I said was "the bank assures me that the cash is > in my account." not that a check has been deposited _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 18 01:15:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6616C2D0691 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 01:15:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8472D0530 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 01:13:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so4348729eek.14 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:16:20 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=4Z3TAp+R/U6659bNQbQr77phUs4OR8rcWnxGsIw7Dn4=; b=OEPquC7XbUvWNnQSY7S65FmiicynoL/4TsG5/AUvhl1qi+LsnRYrcjY+QaWaTS1Sc+ y+BW04/08O3PmCWBkytM1+SxqtxMvuZsQhRH8A0tM7WLI4WU7K4otM0C6Bo2Moiy6Dfg 0scsimIOiAxnsV4XR8144kaMt5od90CvzlCV53JHlqbllVJslGmHB/WcAf/YNVLT9Kul 9LChjY967cD6UkKsbDvK5BdLBsOm/D1P5/gzggHtlmYfn2PRj5UwoeuX/D8DUGsxmfNU AjwLqa+mm7PCLhsJ2zthDiWFgsOgbTGgftutuU9RLCMqFl3YQ+XO9V84GDyp0OBSZhtY LjZw== Received: by 10.14.179.136 with SMTP id h8mr16182446eem.6.1347952580897; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 46sm4327815eef.17.2012.09.18.00.16.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:16:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: References: <0MAI00F8UCIOFOM0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:04:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Roll it out as and when you need it, I have trays under the bits that drip anyway. I've got carpet permanently in front of the work bench and I regularly sweep it - 'er indoors refuses to vacuum it when she's doing the rest of the house, for some reason ... PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > My concern with carpet in a garage is fire safety. Any garage with MGs is > going to involve oil drips. Then park a nice hot exhaust over it. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 18 01:38:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34AB32D0666 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 01:38:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04782D065A for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 01:38:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so4364286eek.14 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:41:20 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=2r6xJwbuHTC7yFeRhg/qNhL7QYArVtduSTLQWdQ3Etc=; b=ehG9J+13VIbhPpXRwIBQB2epdffLJazF1GDQxhqMeZG8e1aRie5CWZ+b5hmhskWY9X Etztd3Epvt86Rk3t+IzfdgUjFySCloL6GurlAbz9nD4pQbVEsmngOVxNaFdSm2zsVof4 vgHA8gtJPYTjqo4bMCIOBQ025JOgObgtHP9Al6mfvZSSvAh6YnzXOWUPImlQHDVVf2qD PrO9a6hpD+DuMX+SGrNMHj4a5U1mrTij3676Ja9xxxPq7JTnmdPMRWIv/Ueqn3BwF4vW UH17vrf9ScGrcWJNAepiG7PxOlOQPwBcCp9u9tMWst8vNwib/FsZplOc9KNmLdvgr+gT xOMA== Received: by 10.14.4.201 with SMTP id 49mr16503987eej.0.1347954080229; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h42sm33979459eem.5.2012.09.18.00.41.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:41:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: , "MG List" References: <5057F8F0.4070701@ktc.com> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:23:21 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net A car raised on four axle stands (are they the same as jack stands?) is *very* dangerous, it is relatively easy to pull the car over as their base is usually quite a bit smaller than their height in use. Only ever use two jack stands with two short ramps (short of full length ramps or a lift). PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > ... In that case I had the car up on 4 jack stands. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 18 01:39:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916EF2D0669 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 01:39:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E35B2D065A for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 01:38:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so4364300eek.14 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:41:21 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=3UnzdjCteTfjEKbEGW7XmS9cNEp6+pwTyEOIjea7XrI=; b=keZQmMMfr7H2jTfEXQAgkbESNUxcUVfj5chls1FHC082qDdnO2VzoJjNujsUhDUhMM B3X8UAYKynGAoA0r7BHFLvDi+jQ0jpjCjBa+0nVxfhEPRlAtwtOoqyt5JXpFu6nSzy90 k29Vjk6J64YmBh2k6+tbSXnSbgr/KOHvCBtRxvIkxe5k+lcxmmB5UeHwSPZvKusnbbTX MicD6xXEfzetiVP7PYmfY9PFaPfqq4Njoug+aoP5BrGBYT9fjwejHwnV6H5+9xKJ2hZP sR+nBqQTXz6tvsMNcEtNxdk3UgWHWaqMImLcdeGHpazqLLM9uSkfUcOTnb+/MTTUiMvH r2Mw== Received: by 10.14.209.5 with SMTP id r5mr16262916eeo.28.1347954081492; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h42sm33979459eem.5.2012.09.18.00.41.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:41:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Glenn Schnittke" , References: <5057D09B.40908@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:33:04 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] new muffler Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Balancing specifically at fast idle isn't really necessary as that is only used when warming up. But checking they are balanced off-idle by opening the throttle a little and readjusting the synchronising tool *is* essential, for obvious reasons. Fast idle opens the butterflies differently to the throttle cable. There should be about 1/2" of choke cable movement giving a fast-idle speed of about 1100-1200 rpm with a *warm* engine before the jets start to move. You can't see the enrichment valve on an HIF of course, but there should be arrows on the fast idle cams that when positioned under the fast-idle screws indicate that enrichment is just about to start. You are supposed to set the fast-idle revs there, but on my V8 at least that gives far too high an idle when there is enrichment as well so I have them adjusted by ear rather than revs and arrows. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > I've gotten into the habit of synching not just the idle but the fast idle > as well. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 18 06:37:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD862D0675 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:37:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA42C2D0630 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:37:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Spitfire ([76.184.166.234]) by p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 0cfx1k00553lu5001cfzN9; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:39:59 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "MG List" References: <5057F8F0.4070701@ktc.com> <8886C37DF7F34C489B6F3B8DAD4780C5@paul> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 07:37:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I totally disagree. I always pull at the car to ensure stability when I have it on 2 or 4 stands. but if they are on concrete, well positioned, and relatively level, they are *safe* there is always danger when working on cars. think safety! -----Original Message----- From: PaulHunt73 Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 2:23 AM To: ccrobins@ktc.com ; MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG related - Sort Of A car raised on four axle stands (are they the same as jack stands?) is *very* dangerous, it is relatively easy to pull the car over as their base is usually quite a bit smaller than their height in use. Only ever use two jack stands with two short ramps (short of full length ramps or a lift). _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 18 07:19:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADCD2D0687 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 07:19:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF4F2D065A for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 07:18:57 -0600 (MDT) cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=FB6NmUnAAagA:10 a=jUVDh8p243AA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=0pUKEOd7S_2vQy7YfSoA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=3xukPVBMGqZXD+exCsmdVA==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.31.45] ([72.172.31.45:60049] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 13/E5-06055-47578505; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:21:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:21:51 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: PaulHunt73 References: <5057F8F0.4070701@ktc.com> <8886C37DF7F34C489B6F3B8DAD4780C5@paul> Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net All depends on where under the vehicle that you locate them. Got a pic of an axle stand? CR On 9/18/2012 2:23 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > A car raised on four axle stands (are they the same as jack stands?) > is *very* dangerous, it is relatively easy to pull the car over as > their base is usually quite a bit smaller than their height in use. > Only ever use two jack stands with two short ramps (short of full > length ramps or a lift). > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> ... In that case I had the car up on 4 jack stands. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 18 07:35:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3D72D0671 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 07:35:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E322D03F7 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 07:35:08 -0600 (MDT) cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=FB6NmUnAAagA:10 a=jUVDh8p243AA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=d1VzWJRgGSUCR868zPMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=3xukPVBMGqZXD+exCsmdVA==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.31.45] ([72.172.31.45:60148] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 43/E2-15653-F3978505; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:38:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:38:02 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: Dave , Mgs@autox.team.net References: <5057F8F0.4070701@ktc.com> <8886C37DF7F34C489B6F3B8DAD4780C5@paul> Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The first time I had a car up on 4 stands I tried to knock it off of them by pushing on the car from various angles. I concluded that it would take a mighty push to make it go over. CR _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 18 09:36:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A2D2D0675 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:36:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from beta.look.ca (beta.look.ca [216.66.192.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756062D0630; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:33:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lns2-pool-d84298ed.dsl.look.ca ([216.66.152.237] helo=tower.look.ca) by beta.look.ca with esmtpa (user simplyyoga@look.ca)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TDzr3-0001Yi-P2; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:36:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:16:28 -0400 To: mgb-v8@autox.team.net,mgs@autox.team.net From: Barrie Robinson Subject: [Mgs] Don Pender Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone have contact details for Don Pender? He was into SU carbs and had a business which I think was called Penspeed. Regards, Barrie Robinson barrie@look.ca 705-721-9060 MGB GT V8 in great nick Aston Martin 1957 DB 2/4 MkII under restoration www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm www.britcot.com www.AMFClub.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 18 09:36:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4A92D06CF for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:36:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from beta.look.ca (beta.look.ca [216.66.192.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756692D064C for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:33:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lns2-pool-d84298ed.dsl.look.ca ([216.66.152.237] helo=tower.look.ca) by beta.look.ca with esmtpa (user simplyyoga@look.ca)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TDzr4-0001Yi-9Z; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:36:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:44:00 -0400 To: Steven Trovato ,mgs@autox.team.net From: Barrie Robinson References: <0MAI00F8UCIOFOM0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Steve, If you have a fire you get the butler to dash in with a shaken bottle of Dom Perignon and douse the flames. This is, of course, after you have told the maid to run away (leaving the bottle of wine) so her skirt will not get wet. At 02:53 PM 9/17/2012 -0400, Steven Trovato wrote: >My concern with carpet in a garage is fire safety. Any garage with >MGs is going to involve oil drips. Then park a nice hot exhaust >over it. Possibly even a car with a catalytic converter that is >even hotter. Doesn't sound like the safest scenario to me. > >-Steve Trovato >strovato@optonline.net > >At 10:34 AM 9/17/2012, Barrie Robinson wrote: >>Allen, >> >>You know you are damn right! Putting carpet down is brilliant. >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca Regards Barrie barrie@look.ca 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 18 09:56:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB7A2D06C7 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp132.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp132.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.132]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F7492D0686 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:55:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp53.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1D25358A3F for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp53.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: don-AT-napanet.net) with ESMTPSA id AE15658E53 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:58:34 -0700 To: "mgs-autox.team.net" From: Don Subject: [Mgs] =?iso-8859-1?q?Moss_Motors_buys_Al_Moss=92s_MG_TC?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Interesting MG history as the Al Moss car ends up at Moss Motors. http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2012/09/17/moss-motors-buys-al-moss-mg-tc/?refer=news ------------------------------------------------------------------ Don Scott Calistoga CA USA 1955 MGTF 1962 MGA Mk 2 1967 MGB 1963-7 MGB (seeking) Misc. 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Dan D '76 B Driver '65 B Project Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Don To: mgs-autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:58 AM Subject: [Mgs] Moss Motors buys Al Mossbs MG TC Interesting MG history as the Al Moss car ends up at Moss Motors. http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2012/09/17/moss-motors-buys-al-moss-mg-tc/ ?refer=news ------------------------------------------------------------------ Don Scott Calistoga CA USA 1955 MGTF 1962 MGA Mk 2 1967 MGB 1963-7 MGB (seeking) Misc. Japanese carsB _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Suggested annual donationB $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 18 11:17:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9502D06B7 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:17:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B8A2D0692; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:17:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8IHKF5c027979; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:20:15 -0400 Received: from core-dda001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dda001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.52.1]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 92570E00009A; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:20:14 -0400 (EDT) References: To: barrie@look.ca, mgb-v8@autox.team.net, mgs@autox.team.net From: bmcspares@aol.com Received: from 184.98.70.140 by Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com (205.188.92.233) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:20:14 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:20:14 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347988815; bh=zfexSzDJfW8wsAKE73RJD6cPWKc/90go19loWHXjF2M=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=M4XBMIjFxj9Ylwx0tDuAgUeT9mA64z+ho2DHFmlMP6rbiw4eEiL1YXepgR7PBuxYY KNpj6N/StdQbQRWLZ+33pXwAnus2OLZhnIjLoKHmh6ZzbNWPLaIseWRJoFpFooYByE RHr++U0w/zxR6QXuH5YaL1/0KQkk+0yUO+9Sn+F4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c95058ad4e08bc Subject: Re: [Mgs] Don Pender Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Don died as few years ago due to a motorcycle accident. Jon Nyhus Glendale AZ -----Original Message----- From: Barrie Robinson To: mgb-v8 ; mgs Sent: Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:38 am Subject: [Mgs] Don Pender Does anyone have contact details for Don Pender? He was into SU carbs and had a business which I think was called Penspeed. Regards, Barrie Robinson barrie@look.ca 705-721-9060 MGB GT V8 in great nick Aston Martin 1957 DB 2/4 MkII under restoration www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm www.britcot.com www.AMFClub.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/bmcspares@aol.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 01:51:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 922E32D0635 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 01:51:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE59C2D0635 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 01:50:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaaf11 with SMTP id f11so232148eaa.14 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 00:53:57 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=v4LGIDXFCDOr30W3LztcQm8Kg+Ws8Gf19TUZ89834qM=; b=Fu+WcseJUwhKKXSYDui5go9qem2cmzOkVbtQ2nskdMcESx0fI+bNskfnq/giqg1/U3 BNmrV9/8g1JP35A4DvfFZSn7UYIhIDstjLVo0Zlvn4ZwTMIAS+qsDF9CWK35+jzD61FA JKJtIOEE2i+j3AjWsfuHGZYotWmWgppt0zmiObeXdpdw28Rj949ft9WUkfMe8Zv6Ebcu Z/2Uf5zMJw3YS3JQpnX3FTiBzNvvxV25/ICb9gMaPQjjVL5cgHKILEr+SCHHewAsBakL 0esPo60i2gXUSmOmDUGEy49WrC4/ruKR9fBTmNJpV2hu2OI7x5s8O69Hwu+yz9p2zPYq derQ== Received: by 10.14.213.201 with SMTP id a49mr2730950eep.4.1348041237159; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 00:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm4948213eei.12.2012.09.19.00.53.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 19 Sep 2012 00:53:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Dave" , "MG List" References: <5057F8F0.4070701@ktc.com><8886C37DF7F34C489B6F3B8DAD4780C5@paul> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:44:37 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net RTFM. Manufacturers instructions usually say DO NOT jack one end of the car when the other is already supported by axle stands, and DO NOT support the car just on four axle stands. On your own head be it (pun not intended). PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >I totally disagree. I always pull at the car to ensure stability when I >have it on 2 or 4 stands. but if they are on concrete, well positioned, >and relatively level, they are *safe* _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 05:47:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB8D2D06B9 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 05:47:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633752D05BF for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 05:47:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Spitfire ([76.184.166.234]) by m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id 0zqU1k00953lu5001zqXBh; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 04:50:31 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "MG List" References: <5057F8F0.4070701@ktc.com><8886C37DF7F34C489B6F3B8DAD4780C5@paul> <42B88CC956A9403CBE85F21719A414D1@paul> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 06:50:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net the manufacturers are more interested in covering their rears than reality. we all have our opinion. been doing this for years and will keep on. I am very concerned with safety, and will continue. -----Original Message----- From: PaulHunt73 Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:44 AM To: Dave ; MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG related - Sort Of RTFM. Manufacturers instructions usually say DO NOT jack one end of the car when the other is already supported by axle stands, and DO NOT support the car just on four axle stands. On your own head be it (pun not intended). PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >I totally disagree. I always pull at the car to ensure stability when I >have it on 2 or 4 stands. but if they are on concrete, well positioned, >and relatively level, they are *safe* _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 08:27:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 104C02D06BB for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:27:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from msubillings.edu (bilexeg01.msubillings.edu [192.156.215.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93FB72D050C for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:27:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BILEXCH02.msubillings.edu (192.156.215.141) by BILEXEG01.msubillings.edu (192.156.215.142) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.379.0; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:29:55 -0600 Received: from BILEXMB02.msubillings.edu ([169.254.2.70]) by BILEXCH02.msubillings.edu ([192.156.215.141]) with mapi id 14.01.0379.000; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:30:07 -0600 From: "Councill, David" To: MG List Thread-Topic: 64 B rear ended Thread-Index: Ac2Wcc8HLpd57SMCSa+MUgHrTDQFtA== Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:30:06 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.112.94.54] Subject: [Mgs] 64 B rear ended Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Just made it to work, been driving my 64B as my seasonal daily driver (less so in the winter, weather permitting). But this morning while stopped at a red light, a car ran into the rear - a pretty fair impact so I'm guessing the car was still traveling at maybe 10 mph. The bulk of the impact was on the passenger side over-rider which was pushed into the body next to the gas tank filler, leaving a fair indentation. Trunk appears undamaged but won't latch shut. So it looks like a call to the other driver's insurance company, body shop estimates. I'm not sure the procedure the body shop would or should use - I see Moss has a complete bumper with over-riders as well as the back panel piece, probably some welding involved to install it. I'm just checking to see if anyone has suggestions or experiences on this type of damage which should be somewhat common as far as body damage goes. David Councill 64 B 67 BGT 72 B _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 09:03:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F16822D066C for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:03:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0DA2D04C5 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:03:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so557233eek.14 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:06:18 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=CALejdGz7PuWV7iXWd5bUXc5GxkBJoF1b9hVovFSAOc=; b=hna/FHFg6PsKbVMoArsLMjUZsl4fjVURmCpDw0LG2gq/Rs2Il3ZI+sL0zph4m4JGj0 iZ3G4FRSPDa2ObZ02lCbzYGjmJ7pFavT7vj7TrZNO9T/ng4akreMQGON9vBii2ESTWYp fVP1+AHuYQtUNZzpyH13bwZ9evcTVQJJ97fSAP9KVyAfe+gvN5ZVk3WhqC4WrOfEJjyu MnkVtWcRbZcWrKQUOgwew1LMGe0nD2QMJdqQP+kJEYxFN1KiTV9IQXiwiR1xIIXPdAgE qOBOqou+EhZWYmZ5GDAVyoa1lAZ6o5ezzCIyLHUQWhxvGBZR6gINAv2FwY+L/Fj4mMU9 7u1Q== Received: by 10.14.184.134 with SMTP id s6mr3859968eem.46.1348067178250; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z3sm7922136eel.15.2012.09.19.08.06.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:06:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Councill, David" , "MG List" References: Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:05:36 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 64 B rear ended Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The bumpers are attached to the chassis rails, not the back panel, so you need to get underneath and see where the buckling has occurred that has allowed the overrider to deform the back panel - if the overrider had peen pushed back as a whole rather than simply the top being tilted over. Unless the rear panel has obviously deformed so that the lock loop is no longer inline with the lock on the lid, it could have buckled the boot floor. Even 10mph is quite a shunt. It depends on the insurance company, but some may well want to write it off with chassis rail damage. In the UK that kind of damage would be repairable, if you bought the 'wreck' back out of the insurance payout. Find out as soon as possible just what the score is, there have been cases where insurance companies have written cars off and sold them on before the owner has been advised. Good luck. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > ... The bulk of the impact was on the > passenger side over-rider which was pushed into the body next to the gas > tank > filler, leaving a fair indentation. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 09:07:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F70E2D0501 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:07:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC362D0501 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:07:32 -0600 (MDT) cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=FB6NmUnAAagA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ILKjpt_-6Xss9A4PgSIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=3xukPVBMGqZXD+exCsmdVA==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.31.45] ([72.172.31.45:61475] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 98/52-21063-760E9505; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:10:32 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:10:26 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: "Councill, David" References: Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] 64 B rear ended Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Bummer! Not sure about the quality of the Moss-supplied chrome bumpers. It would be nice if someone who has seen them would comment. Some years ago I had my front bumper and overriders rechromed because I wasn't impressed with the after market pieces. CR On 9/19/2012 9:30 AM, Councill, David wrote: > Just made it to work, been driving my 64B as my seasonal daily driver (less so > in the winter, weather permitting). But this morning while stopped at a red > light, a car ran into the rear - a pretty fair impact so I'm guessing the car > was still traveling at maybe 10 mph. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 09:22:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868472D0366 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:22:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3792D035B for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:22:30 -0600 (MDT) cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=FB6NmUnAAagA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=vDB8TU37PCf6sZ5tzuMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=3xukPVBMGqZXD+exCsmdVA==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.31.45] ([72.172.31.45:61511] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 67/F5-21063-AE3E9505; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:25:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:25:25 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: Subject: [Mgs] Hagerty Insurance? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Just wondering what auto insurance others are using on their classics. I just switched to Hagerty insurance for my '69 MGB, mainly because of the low cost stated-value collision & comprehensive coverage compared to my other insurer. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have Hagerty as well. No claims experience, however, but my $6,000 agreed-value policy for my '76 B costs me about $125/year here in NJ. Dan D '76 B Driver '65 B Project Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Charley & Peggy Robinson To: mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Mgs] Hagerty Insurance? Just wondering what auto insurance others are using on their classics. I just switched to Hagerty insurance for my '69 MGB, mainly because of the low cost stated-value collision & comprehensive coverage compared to my other insurer. CR _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 09:34:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6932D06AE for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:34:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EBE2E2D0160 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:34:36 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1348069055; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=bVB0zMFteeItfQIgTo5+NfoK8ichHmcxBRpGX3lfBWi0ZXvUzNxQxdht0uRBFyI1F 6oPzxPKKojNgGebmZE2jPlqlRYZyeiYCkd7hz92RwKSwG/1999RNP4W6ZTU+vTkGmD 1C2XtBdhcO9NAb6Nuz74aOd062WSogQP+X2TP7Tg= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.101]) by smtpout01.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJFV3XNAUQY6US for (sender ); Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mgbob@juno.com) by webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id SJZ9T2HQ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:36:28 PDT Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:35:35 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:35:35 GMT To: ccrobins@ktc.com, mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hagerty Insurance? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net My MGs have been insured with Hagerty for years, mostly because of the reasonable premiums but also because of their reputation for square dealing. Sad to say, I needed to file a claim with them for a fuel-line fire in my TD. This happened late August. I called on Monday. Wednesday an appraiser was here. On Friday, a message was left that a check was to be cut and that the check was not "full and final". If concealed damage were found, they would cover that also. Next Thursday, check was in hand. I am a satisfied customer. This contrasts with my professional work, in which I dealt with property damage claims frequently. For a company to send an adjuster in less than a week was unheard of; then his arrival was just the beginning of chiseling and weaseling, with assurance of continuing dissatisfaction.Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Charley & Peggy Robinson To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Hagerty Insurance? Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:25:25 -0500 Just wondering what auto insurance others are using on their classics. I just switched to Hagerty insurance for my '69 MGB, mainly because of the low cost stated-value collision & comprehensive coverage compared to my other insurer. CR _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 09:35:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9592D0679 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:35:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from msubillings.edu (bilexeg01.msubillings.edu [192.156.215.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F952D0160 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:35:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BILEXCH01.msubillings.edu (192.156.215.140) by BILEXEG01.msubillings.edu (192.156.215.142) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.379.0; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:38:14 -0600 Received: from BILEXMB02.msubillings.edu ([169.254.2.70]) by BILEXCH01.msubillings.edu ([192.156.215.140]) with mapi id 14.01.0379.000; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:38:24 -0600 From: "Councill, David" To: "ccrobins@ktc.com" , "mgs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Hagerty Insurance? Thread-Index: AQHNlnsOMtYxBhijKEmTiiMSHvIPG5eRyl/A Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:38:23 +0000 References: <5059E3E5.2010407@ktc.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.112.94.54] Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hagerty Insurance? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I went with Hagerty for my 72B and 67BGT. They claim to be less restrictive on usage and my cars need to be driven - so they sometimes get driven to work. I also switched both cars to classic car license plates so they both have been converted into the realm of "not for daily use". One of the other key qualifiers for classic car insurance is that the cars need to be garaged when not driven. So when I got my last addition, the 64B, I didn't have enough garage space to add it on the Hagerty policy. And with regular insurance/plates, I have no restrictions but its vulnerable on the insurance side since it only has liability. David Councill 64 B 67 BGT 72 B -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Charley & Peggy Robinson Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 9:25 AM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Hagerty Insurance? Just wondering what auto insurance others are using on their classics. I just switched to Hagerty insurance for my '69 MGB, mainly because of the low cost stated-value collision & comprehensive coverage compared to my other insurer. CR _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 09:48:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8832D0625 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:48:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFBF52D04DE for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:48:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 10gy1k00Q1u4NiLA13rmlZ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:51:46 +0000 Received: from lundgren-laptop.familysearch.org ([184.73.197.243]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 13rQ1k00G5FaDbs8h3rWfY; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:51:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:51:24 -0600 From: "Andrew B. Lundgren" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120825 Thunderbird/15.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <5059E3E5.2010407@ktc.com> <1348068852.29912.YahooMailNeo@web39402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hagerty Insurance? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I had to file a claim a few years ago. They paid the agreed value for the car and canceled the policy. They called around my local area to see what any of the shops would pay for my injured car. Then offered to let me buy it back from them at the highest bid. I did. Once I got it on road again, I was able to get it insured with them again. No complaints. On 09/19/2012 09:34 AM, Dan DiBiase wrote: > I have Hagerty as well. No claims experience, however, but my $6,000 > agreed-value policy for my '76 B costs me about $125/year here > in NJ. > > Dan D > '76 B Driver > '65 B Project > Central NJ USA > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Charley & Peggy Robinson > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:25 AM > Subject: [Mgs] Hagerty Insurance? > Just wondering what auto insurance others are using on their classics. I just > switched to Hagerty insurance for my '69 MGB, mainly because of the low cost > stated-value collision & comprehensive coverage compared to my other insurer. > CR > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/lundgren@byu.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 10:02:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CAB02D050A for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:02:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm13.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm13.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F07F42D04C7 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:02:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.62] by nm13.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2012 16:05:05 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.44] by tm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2012 16:05:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1044.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2012 16:05:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 48393 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Sep 2012 16:05:04 -0000 s=s1024; t=1348070704; bh=6ebzu8kFQbo8AcHm509sqvOot8jm4dPGKVvxX24fOvE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2+7H/jk7Hi3tQ14oFGg7/JJSnD3cvRIjp6CfJoGmyJH4WVoPz2NF49mqpSYt6Z59oRNL9iwbumgOznHGmj3U57vmJdIwqbb3pSS0FVQsZ+Ge3VeKfvegGs4IRPBcdGdlyq2IqjcEn8YF8sIkH5Sui7y2qnXPc4hm8PrcthsF0pg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZNCFXcp+dgn3pVYTkn5o7mbTyCsbH8iIlZPsDxNqWLETJUmCUyxdezabsOu3afo2WgSRZyYnWM+o/4ECUnjUmEKvB1TH5lLxzv7zl1j6KQ/GRC79l9HxMXlBWwt99MO22tl5XADg0wGAxVAM3vchnfFNDuwhop5Yc0y6RnkcRgY=; h9GKEZI66cgh9w3oOncOCJQGSE1BlSQ8NwiZIwCZMnWFkU4y1jZrJ7VTGb1c yq6AAez2SJAywuNdLAB7hse_z2bxQNH0PrU7D7FUbRVdYHYAYne.ZB.IuwaQ Px3lEdJI0_vOFmsqIZTyV1dj.JbrA0llpLq6Ca4J3CwGRBqqKHAJFRwCth1Q Tt.EacJYJzJEtf8_QXYxD29jAOm5nGzCDo0WXRyS7x4BL4iMYeBxHDYTdctI iDCSp3dJzHnfl8xvjTSfjSp2DnxQZ8hWtKyuiTbNyvYLoFOm58WskmVsgRen wGeU6yGIqdXIdys5XP433LnUcFxYk9p67c_8DHD4DTMq4fILrm.oisesNldE UBNU4pA3MYcWUnjvpsS8y5lM1vDa5a3F3JQjM21Gw1rtrHscjoigxwlRn9.. VY7uUEz1NV1BdRwp1ZgDeeYfFZ1E- Received: from [170.35.224.65] by web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:05:04 PDT References: <5059E3E5.2010407@ktc.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:05:04 -0700 (PDT) From: David Breneman To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hagerty Insurance? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net From: Charley & Peggy Robinson > Just wondering what auto insurance others are using on their classics. I just > switched to Hagerty insurance for my '69 MGB, mainly because of the low > cost stated-value collision & comprehensive coverage compared to my other > insurer. I've had Hagerty for my 58 MGA since it was restored. They didn't make a penny off me the first four or five years because I had a windshield claim the first year and towing the third. Rates never went up. I've been very happy with them. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 10:06:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FBDF2D03F7 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:06:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82CC42D0359 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:06:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Spitfire ([67.154.115.174]) by m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id 149f1k00D3lq3FF0149f7v; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:09:39 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <5059E3E5.2010407@ktc.com><1348068852.29912.YahooMailNeo@web39402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5059E9FC.1060300@byu.net> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:59:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hagerty Insurance? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I used to have hagerty, and I guess I liked them. but I had several claims inside of a two year period, after having no claims for 10? years before and so far 2 years after, and they canceled me. their claim service is great; they always paid top dollar. oh, well. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 13:10:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9939E2D04EA for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:10:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A652D04C9 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:10:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-178.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q8JJDWlJ029652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:13:34 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.32.0.111121 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:56:48 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] MG related - Sort Of Thread-Index: Ac2WmIVYw/vLWBCmHUWHsmSYGF5itA== Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net There is only an axle at one end, so I don't see how you can do this, really. If they mean, do not support the car by 4 "sprung" points simultaneously, I can understand that. It is very hard to find a sprung point where you can fit a stand in the front, anyway. I usually use an "unsprung" frame point -- either the bottom of the engine crossmember, or the side frame rails. on 9/19/12 12:44 AM, PaulHunt73 at paulhunt73@virginmedia.com wrote: > RTFM. Manufacturers instructions usually say DO NOT jack one end of the car > when the other is already supported by axle stands, and DO NOT support the > car just on four axle stands. > > On your own head be it (pun not intended). > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> I totally disagree. I always pull at the car to ensure stability when I >> have it on 2 or 4 stands. but if they are on concrete, well positioned, >> and relatively level, they are *safe* > -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 13:11:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FAE72D06E6 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:11:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14BFA2D04E2 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:10:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-178.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q8JJDWlK029652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:13:35 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.32.0.111121 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:06:51 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] 64 B rear ended Thread-Index: Ac2Wcc8HLpd57SMCSa+MUgHrTDQFtAAKB28t Subject: Re: [Mgs] 64 B rear ended Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Something similar happened to my other vintage daily driver back in July. It isn't in the shop yet. When my MGB was backed into several years ago, it was a similar story -- no body shop in the region was interested in even looking at it. The insurance agency's "recommended" shops are only interested in repairs that are "in the book" -- that is, late model cars for which the hours and parts costs for every operation are spelled out in advance. In both cases, the insurance adjuster was called in to work up an estimate in order for them to cut a check. So good luck in finding a shop that is willing to take on a "vintage" project. At least around here, you are pretty much limited to "restorers" and "customizers" -- the plain auto body repair shops want no part of you. on 9/19/12 7:30 AM, Councill, David at dcouncill@msubillings.edu wrote: > Just made it to work, been driving my 64B as my seasonal daily driver (less so > in the winter, weather permitting). But this morning while stopped at a red > light, a car ran into the rear - a pretty fair impact so I'm guessing the car > was still traveling at maybe 10 mph. The bulk of the impact was on the > passenger side over-rider which was pushed into the body next to the gas tank > filler, leaving a fair indentation. Trunk appears undamaged but won't latch > shut. So it looks like a call to the other driver's insurance company, body > shop estimates. I'm not sure the procedure the body shop would or should use - > I see Moss has a complete bumper with over-riders as well as the back panel > piece, probably some welding involved to install it. I'm just checking to see > if anyone has suggestions or experiences on this type of damage which should > be somewhat common as far as body damage goes. > > > David Councill > 64 B > 67 BGT > 72 B > -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 13:19:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFA72D06AE for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:19:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7EB2D04C9 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:18:54 -0600 (MDT) cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=FB6NmUnAAagA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=sXIvxaXV03sFqRpElbUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=Y0BPl_GBYbEaCfxJ:21 a=Kv1ZLttk_izV-44j:21 a=3xukPVBMGqZXD+exCsmdVA==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.31.45] ([72.172.31.45:61310] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 2B/FA-15653-25B1A505; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:21:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:21:47 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: MG List References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] 64 B rear ended Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That got me to wondering, so I went out and looked at my '69 B's rear bumper. The overrider on the passenger side is partly to the left of & behind the gas tank filler cap. The right edge of the overrider overlaps the left side of the gas cap. If the overrider was tilted straight ahead it would contact the gas cap; it would have to be pushed or twisted to the left to miss the cap. I don't know if the overriders on the '64 are narrower than mine or perhaps located a little differently but I suggest that the '64 be taken to a body shop right away in order to assess the damage. CR On 9/19/2012 10:05 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > The bumpers are attached to the chassis rails, not the back panel, so > you need to get underneath and see where the buckling has occurred > that has allowed the overrider to deform the back panel - if the > overrider had peen pushed back as a whole rather than simply the top > being tilted over. Unless the rear panel has obviously deformed so > that the lock loop is no longer inline with the lock on the lid, it > could have buckled the boot floor. Even 10mph is quite a shunt. It > depends on the insurance company, but some may well want to write it > off with chassis rail damage. In the UK that kind of damage would be > repairable, if you bought the 'wreck' back out of the insurance > payout. Find out as soon as possible just what the score is, there > have been cases where insurance companies have written cars off and > sold them on before the owner has been advised. Good luck. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> ... The bulk of the impact was on the >> passenger side over-rider which was pushed into the body next to the >> gas tank >> filler, leaving a fair indentation. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 13:35:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB56B2D06A9 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:35:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from msubillings.edu (bilexeg02.msubillings.edu [192.156.215.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F962D04E1 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:35:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BILEXCH02.msubillings.edu (192.156.215.141) by BILEXEG02.msubillings.edu (192.156.215.143) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.379.0; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:38:09 -0600 Received: from BILEXMB02.msubillings.edu ([169.254.2.70]) by BILEXCH02.msubillings.edu ([192.156.215.141]) with mapi id 14.01.0379.000; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:38:21 -0600 From: "Councill, David" To: "ccrobins@ktc.com" , MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] 64 B rear ended Thread-Index: Ac2Wcc8HLpd57SMCSa+MUgHrTDQFtAABpHEoABV7KIAADIV8oA== Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:38:21 +0000 References: <505A1B4B.4090204@ktc.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.112.94.54] Subject: Re: [Mgs] 64 B rear ended Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net After a few calls, I found that the lady who ran into me did notify her insurance company. I notified mine too just in case (I thought I only had liability but actually I have full coverage minus a $1000 deductible). Max said there may be a problem finding a body shop to work on the car. This is a relatively true statement, more so in a smaller populated area where I live. But I took it to the one body shop my insurance company (USAA) recommended. The shop wanted to know if I know where they could get a rear bumper so I referred him to Moss. I l already looked it up and a full replacement with over riders lists at $320. The other seriously damaged part is the back panel, just to the left of the gas tank filler, which is pushed in maybe 1/2 - 1 inch from the force on the over rider. The body guy said it would be better to straighten out that part rather than weld in another piece. They gave me a repair estimate - for $2400. So paperwork is in the process and maybe a repair in the next several weeks to a month. David Councill 64 B 67 BGT 72 B -----Original Message----- From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:22 PM To: MG List Cc: Councill, David Subject: Re: [Mgs] 64 B rear ended That got me to wondering, so I went out and looked at my '69 B's rear bumper. The overrider on the passenger side is partly to the left of & behind the gas tank filler cap. The right edge of the overrider overlaps the left side of the gas cap. If the overrider was tilted straight ahead it would contact the gas cap; it would have to be pushed or twisted to the left to miss the cap. I don't know if the overriders on the '64 are narrower than mine or perhaps located a little differently but I suggest that the '64 be taken to a body shop right away in order to assess the damage. CR _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 13:37:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5602D063A for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:37:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B3D2D03D6 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-178.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q8JJe0FS018661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:40:03 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.32.0.111121 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:11:23 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Hagerty Insurance? Thread-Index: AQHNlnsOMtYxBhijKEmTiiMSHvIPG5eRyl/AgAA9yAI= Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hagerty Insurance? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have to keep my cars on a "regular" policy because I don't have a late model daily driver, and I don't have secured storage (only an open 2-car carport). Plus, I need the freedom to drive either one anywhere as necessary, since one or the other may be down for periodic maintenance. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires (other car: 1967 Plymouth Barracuda) on 9/19/12 8:38 AM, Councill, David at dcouncill@msubillings.edu wrote: > I went with Hagerty for my 72B and 67BGT. They claim to be less restrictive on > usage and my cars need to be driven - so they sometimes get driven to work. I > also switched both cars to classic car license plates so they both have been > converted into the realm of "not for daily use". One of the other key > qualifiers for classic car insurance is that the cars need to be garaged when > not driven. So when I got my last addition, the 64B, I didn't have enough > garage space to add it on the Hagerty policy. And with regular > insurance/plates, I have no restrictions but its vulnerable on the insurance > side since it only has liability. > > David Councill > 64 B > 67 BGT > 72 B > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Charley & Peggy Robinson > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 9:25 AM > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mgs] Hagerty Insurance? > > Just wondering what auto insurance others are using on their classics. > I just switched to Hagerty insurance for my '69 MGB, mainly because of the > low cost stated-value collision & comprehensive coverage compared to my other > insurer. > > CR _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 13:50:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BBDC2D06AE for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:50:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f169.google.com (mail-gh0-f169.google.com [209.85.160.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75AB12D04E2 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:50:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ghrr1 with SMTP id r1so448240ghr.14 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:53:20 -0700 (PDT) h=sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=jMZlMKw5xZk5hZn1Snhe/loM4E/uzUNIzyK/oBv4d98=; b=fT+v3XovkWLPuLP7dvmH9bkaT9RuH0fNV107u8hYvjRQEIwon1VEYFJnYlKmKvHXYr i1t3Oq8Ybg5PfiaULGaVAcOOs28h6JRQJXC6TmppKgp2gAQUUm+da7WtOcG9q238JAuP E+QIeZOarHppFWvpBzeccQ0hc4/qIb+PLgbenVvljWnlLLQ4AZXMBe54oBAHpIewNZQe osy+braBLw4tJOCvPBM3CbPt2aOW+JGOk2hZxVNLRo9xxiR0GmfMwC5lmvS51ZSOzeAH RicR3NNu/RKf/+Fu3PTuRWJwDKH/NoHSa5hVSUeCN/jujb5xhe8HAUHwkYLaLrlizf8V ReWw== Received: by 10.236.124.231 with SMTP id x67mr4798313yhh.41.1348084400022; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aces.iaces.com ([204.147.87.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o25sm5359981yhm.14.2012.09.19.12.53.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:53:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Root Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:53:17 -0500 References: <505A1B4B.4090204@ktc.com> To: "Councill, David" Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] 64 B rear ended Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That's good news. You don't mention anything so I think we were all assuming, but are you ok? Paul. On Sep 19, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Councill, David wrote: > After a few calls, I found that the lady who ran into me did notify her > insurance company. I notified mine too just in case (I thought I only had > liability but actually I have full coverage minus a $1000 deductible). Max > said there may be a problem finding a body shop to work on the car. This is a > relatively true statement, more so in a smaller populated area where I live. > But I took it to the one body shop my insurance company (USAA) recommended. > The shop wanted to know if I know where they could get a rear bumper so I > referred him to Moss. I l already looked it up and a full replacement with > over riders lists at $320. The other seriously damaged part is the back panel, > just to the left of the gas tank filler, which is pushed in maybe 1/2 - 1 inch > from the force on the over rider. The body guy said it would be better to > straighten out that part rather than weld in another piece. They gave me a > repair estimate - for $2400. So paperwork is in the process and maybe a repair > in the next several weeks to a month. > > David Councill > 64 B > 67 BGT > 72 B > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:22 PM > To: MG List > Cc: Councill, David > Subject: Re: [Mgs] 64 B rear ended > > That got me to wondering, so I went out and looked at my '69 B's rear bumper. > The overrider on the passenger side is partly to the left of & > behind the gas tank filler cap. The right edge of the overrider > overlaps the left side of the gas cap. If the overrider was tilted straight > ahead it would contact the gas cap; it would have to be pushed or twisted to > the left to miss the cap. I don't know if the overriders on the '64 are > narrower than mine or perhaps located a little differently but I suggest that > the '64 be taken to a body shop right away in order to assess the damage. > > CR > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 13:57:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700D42D0684 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:57:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948182D03D3 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:57:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-178.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q8JK0bNl018208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:00:39 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.32.0.111121 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:59:38 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] 64 B rear ended Thread-Index: Ac2Wcc8HLpd57SMCSa+MUgHrTDQFtAABpHEoABV7KIAADIV8oAAXxbph Subject: Re: [Mgs] 64 B rear ended Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net You are probably better off in a smaller community, for this purpose. The shop wants to get whatever business is available. In the SF Bay Area, there are so many people with money, and so many bad drivers, that the shops have all the business they need just handling late model stuff. So not only are they not interested in "hassle" jobs, they aren't trained or qualified to make estimates on anything that isn't covered in the books. Here's an interesting tidbit: I was talking to a restoration specialist, and somehow the subject came up about the poor quality of paint on many new cars -- that they often have "orange peel" right on the dealer's lot. This guy claimed that they do it deliberately; or rather, that they don't do anything to prevent it or fix it, because if they did accidentally put out a few cars with perfect paint, then everyone would want them, and the others would sit on the lots. He also claimed that the factory paint formulas in the repair guides are designed to replicate the orange peel finish, so panel repairs will match. That's why he never uses formulas. At any rate, that was his story. on 9/19/12 12:38 PM, Councill, David at dcouncill@msubillings.edu wrote: > After a few calls, I found that the lady who ran into me did notify her > insurance company. I notified mine too just in case (I thought I only had > liability but actually I have full coverage minus a $1000 deductible). Max > said there may be a problem finding a body shop to work on the car. This is a > relatively true statement, more so in a smaller populated area where I live. > But I took it to the one body shop my insurance company (USAA) recommended. > The shop wanted to know if I know where they could get a rear bumper so I > referred him to Moss. I l already looked it up and a full replacement with > over riders lists at $320. The other seriously damaged part is the back panel, > just to the left of the gas tank filler, which is pushed in maybe 1/2 - 1 inch > from the force on the over rider. The body guy said it would be better to > straighten out that part rather than weld in another piece. They gave me a > repair estimate - for $2400. So paperwork is in the process and maybe a repair > in the next several weeks to a month. > > David Councill > 64 B > 67 BGT > 72 B > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:22 PM > To: MG List > Cc: Councill, David > Subject: Re: [Mgs] 64 B rear ended > > That got me to wondering, so I went out and looked at my '69 B's rear bumper. > The overrider on the passenger side is partly to the left of & > behind the gas tank filler cap. The right edge of the overrider > overlaps the left side of the gas cap. If the overrider was tilted straight > ahead it would contact the gas cap; it would have to be pushed or twisted to > the left to miss the cap. I don't know if the overriders on the '64 are > narrower than mine or perhaps located a little differently but I suggest that > the '64 be taken to a body shop right away in order to assess the damage. > > CR -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 14:03:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB5B62D06CE for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:03:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B0F22D04E1 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qcsd16 with SMTP id d16so1366719qcs.14 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:06:02 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=EH4fQCbzN43k+tC3AblnwdO0NlJMYJUgKU9sKYlni80=; b=YglNUA+h3b70msD4PdZ5G/gXawYi/v0D3voLzGrSNBPmNBIWrQWl4uTgI4W9eJ6Xk+ BfgaYSzT5iJ7C3TrySPNE+G3eUOn78P3DuUlcAUzkil0iOhf0o37HlJJsukZYe6USUsp pIXmAWZkUaQBifxHfy8XD4KQjj5fw90FLt8iVA8euIBI2pa3z5PYTtkrNaFltYqnoyl6 0mP8PG/UtVlJKzD0cYVglALPsc++guvizZUVnedazUivSAl4eoYn5lCFAZWfX3kV19aX Zc3wfXt0YZDsrkdEhuzMpzVRj0+MNnd3+M0mOpntq/gwEnT60UepNC0CRx2fzk+QmGAk 9gRw== Received: by 10.229.135.136 with SMTP id n8mr2752969qct.42.1348085161926; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:06:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.61.97 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:06:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:06:01 -0400 From: Thompson Allan To: Mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Hagerty Insurance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have Hagerty. Never had a problem - but never had a claim either! Rates are very reasonable. Allan _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 14:28:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0A52D0684 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:28:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE23C2D0426 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:28:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 11Zv1k00417dt5G598Xefy; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:31:38 +0000 Received: from stargate ([67.167.187.93]) by omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 18YC1k00M21LTYK3Z8YCx6; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:32:15 +0000 From: "gordies garage" To: References: <5059E3E5.2010407@ktc.com> <1348068852.29912.YahooMailNeo@web39402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:31:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hagerty Insurance? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I too have Hagerty and had a windshield claim on my '67 BGT (since sold) about 18 months ago. They paid it based upon the quote that I got, no questions asked, and my rates since have not increased a bit. I would recommend them. Gordie Bird '62 MGA > Subject: [Mgs] Hagerty Insurance? > Just wondering what auto insurance others are using on their classics. I > just > switched to Hagerty insurance for my '69 MGB, mainly because of the low > cost > stated-value collision & comprehensive coverage compared to my other > insurer. > CR > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mg_garage@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 14:30:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9352D063A for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:30:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from msubillings.edu (bilexeg02.msubillings.edu [192.156.215.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FCB22D0426 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:30:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BILEXCH02.msubillings.edu (192.156.215.141) by BILEXEG02.msubillings.edu (192.156.215.143) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.379.0; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:33:28 -0600 Received: from BILEXMB02.msubillings.edu ([169.254.2.70]) by BILEXCH02.msubillings.edu ([192.156.215.141]) with mapi id 14.01.0379.000; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:33:38 -0600 From: "Councill, David" To: Paul Root Thread-Topic: [Mgs] 64 B rear ended Thread-Index: Ac2Wcc8HLpd57SMCSa+MUgHrTDQFtAABpHEoABV7KIAADIV8oP//pKGAgABi/3A= Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:33:37 +0000 References: <505A1B4B.4090204@ktc.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.112.94.54] Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] 64 B rear ended Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I am still standing and coherent. The problem is that vintage cars, such as the Mk1 MGBs, do not have the headrests that are now federally mandated (USA). So any impact from the rear, particularly unexpected ones, will have a whiplash effect. But so far, in that respect, I am not showing any lingering effects and that is the only part of me that would or could be affected and if so, it should still be minor. Time will tell though as its only been about seven hours since impact. But I'm okay, just a bit depressed over the damage. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Root [mailto:ptroot@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Paul Root Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:53 PM To: Councill, David Cc: ccrobins@ktc.com; MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] 64 B rear ended That's good news. You don't mention anything so I think we were all assuming, but are you ok? Paul. On Sep 19, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Councill, David wrote: > After a few calls, I found that the lady who ran into me did notify > her insurance company. I notified mine too just in case (I thought I > only had liability but actually I have full coverage minus a $1000 > deductible). Max said there may be a problem finding a body shop to > work on the car. This is a relatively true statement, more so in a smaller populated area where I live. > But I took it to the one body shop my insurance company (USAA) recommended. > The shop wanted to know if I know where they could get a rear bumper > so I referred him to Moss. I l already looked it up and a full > replacement with over riders lists at $320. The other seriously > damaged part is the back panel, just to the left of the gas tank > filler, which is pushed in maybe 1/2 - 1 inch from the force on the > over rider. The body guy said it would be better to straighten out > that part rather than weld in another piece. They gave me a repair > estimate - for $2400. So paperwork is in the process and maybe a repair in the next several weeks to a month. > > David Councill > 64 B > 67 BGT > 72 B > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:22 PM > To: MG List > Cc: Councill, David > Subject: Re: [Mgs] 64 B rear ended > > That got me to wondering, so I went out and looked at my '69 B's rear bumper. > The overrider on the passenger side is partly to the left of & > behind the gas tank filler cap. The right edge of the overrider > overlaps the left side of the gas cap. If the overrider was tilted > straight ahead it would contact the gas cap; it would have to be > pushed or twisted to the left to miss the cap. I don't know if the > overriders on the '64 are narrower than mine or perhaps located a > little differently but I suggest that the '64 be taken to a body shop right away in order to assess the damage. > > CR > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation > $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 20 01:44:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCEDB2D0741 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 01:44:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01DCA2D0715 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 01:43:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeil10 with SMTP id l10so224290eei.14 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 00:46:55 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=f4W8CCOkMP4mr4TYAS0ATmejLIOUFY6cP1OijKW1D/Q=; b=DXvLonJfFGkyhcRHgfBrohCl5cdieH2u7jXmlzRZfPb2Y3bOpW+TmJYEoYRh6XXJ+5 HuvAzWVVvj2DMqwbmAQTJMN6P8yzO3elqZwsAYmRwoab4MjL47DSwYLvsLLOoVFhsJT8 JZB8KPcxPerm5D01Hw5xBfQFX1nD0JKDuLEVv5tlpNADFfHPEqRmGYxrbTRXenEkswEP IyXS6bAx3BFKFifewU9bm6SSWbfkWIdKvEkXthEX+W8RjgHHNOlEwDM01g9nB+4PzX0S NKLea84ZYxIi+qGL6U8il45XjwTHNEJImysRb2YnGxCsuJrlpunnCKnWaknXsociXmWw cDfA== Received: by 10.14.173.9 with SMTP id u9mr1125896eel.8.1348127215444; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 00:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m42sm10912796eep.16.2012.09.20.00.46.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 20 Sep 2012 00:46:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Max Heim" , "MG List" References: Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 08:32:16 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG related - Sort Of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net 'Axle' stand is just the name of the device. They can be used to support a car (or anything else) anywhere you like such as under the rear axle, under the springs, under the spring hangers at the rear, or under the chassis rails, crossmember, or spring pans at the front, and many other places, i.e. sprung or unsprung. The hazard in using four is two fold - when adding the second pair it is very easy for a trolley jack for example to tilt the first pair, and even when sitting on four with all their feet on flat, level, hard ground it is relatively easy to push or pull the car over with the forces some jobs need. If it wasn't possible to pull them over, manufacturers wouldn't have to cover their backsides. User beware. I've only got one pair so as not to be tempted to use two. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > There is only an axle at one end, so I don't see how you can do this, > really. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 20 04:52:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC5D2D071D for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 04:52:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14572D06C4 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 04:52:32 -0600 (MDT) cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=FB6NmUnAAagA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=pQgOIobyjtwJXbgzhckA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=3xukPVBMGqZXD+exCsmdVA==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.31.45] ([72.172.31.45:61314] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 53/D2-06055-426FA505; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 06:55:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 05:55:24 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: Mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Hagerty Insurance? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all who answered my question about Hagerty insurance. Especially to those who included claims info. CR _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 20 17:58:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD682D074B for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:58:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4B22D0323; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:58:36 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=gA+DAPwugdOp5qdOTCtJq5Ns2Eow4Fmjsl3vvZ4UpwxA3sFeSnHJaE4yvlWDdeA5; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Cc:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.30] (helo=mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1TEqgb-0001F0-Ia; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 20:01:37 -0400 Received: from 173.55.148.99 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 20:01:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:01:37 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: rfeibusch1@earthlink.net To: mgs@autox.team.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] The British Fall Classic - Oct 21st, 2012 in Morgan Hill, CA. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net /local/mailman/lynxXXXXWrPocE: Permission denied _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 20 18:05:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323872D074B for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:05:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB6B2D0387; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:02:19 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=rcN4gmeww608RtWcBFOPtZlr28no6QJG9UOcGm6E7uIgZhnMm7WoHEis/bXhwD9L; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Cc:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.30] (helo=mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1TEqjs-00037b-KI; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 20:05:00 -0400 Received: from 173.55.148.99 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 20:05:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:05:00 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: rfeibusch1@earthlink.net To: healeys@autox.team.net Cc: spridgets@autox.team.net, mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] San Diego British Car Day Sunday, October 7th, 2012 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net /local/mailman/lynxXXXXNEJCKU: Permission denied _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 20 22:07:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121F92D0784 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:07:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEBB82D066C for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.16.1.3] (unknown [107.14.139.47]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0922E2A7 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 00:10:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Whiteman Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 21:10:00 -0700 To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: [Mgs] Alternator, battery, fan, or normal? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I noticed tonight that the red battery light has just a hint of red as I was driving home. Lucas alternator was replaced by a (IIRC) 60A Bosch a few years back, and I am using an Interstate battery I bought in 2006 or so (it sits inside during the winter). I have fairly bright lights (aftermarket from Daniel Stern Lighting) on relays, I think they're rated at 55W. I don't know if the red light goes away when I turn them off, as I was unwilling to do so while driving at 60mph. I do know that if I turn off the heater fan, the red light goes dark, disengaging the overdrive will do the same. Using the brights doesn't seem to make the problem worse. Turning the stereo off doesn't make a difference either. The heater fan is out of a '77 MG, purely because I remember the donor car had actual airflow when it was on, while mine didn't. The red light is dim enough that under city lights I can't see it, it's only on the highway where there's no street lamps that I noticed it. My first thought was bad fan, but I also wonder if the combination of load is just enough to overtax the alternator and the actual answer to the red light is "this is normal, don't worry about it". Suggestions? -- Aaron _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 21 02:12:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E00092D0778 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 02:12:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A45E2D0301 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 02:11:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaaf11 with SMTP id f11so1152408eaa.14 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 01:14:51 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=69CF5Z3V4LHRpK+G0vnbgqGRx4TvubbT9gvW+/vXEnY=; b=c+AiTK8yp/gTjHEv0JJB66bpTfO+MZ1k5WNVCIqC0KXrwndwzCoWRzgOX7pcX/8Gkg kdcx2J1dsyE/eVZghWgyVAREPm5MgaKXZz085k4PXbENuN+joLNwG6N0cfbKkRJA8kyo 2xSSchNEPuRlKgoOd5AlYco3J8Pthp4EqEaXB/948lWLETZg8TZbFjTCaVQ15Ajz6veu HiDxGjlBJUfL9XUWflK2SIaLKnfwdFYtSfcuVrKi2H+rKrKj2xkP7LAxHOAMFog5ExY1 xtdNOzreXGyg7uMr9+ZvVnGAzHIJvzVYuY94ShdbDty3oAvFM/VkeBGYKBCvvQ/wn1BL tSMA== Received: by 10.14.173.131 with SMTP id v3mr5194935eel.15.1348215291267; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 01:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h42sm21859958eem.5.2012.09.21.01.14.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 21 Sep 2012 01:14:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Aaron Whiteman" , References: <44DB0CEB-709A-48CA-8239-F82BEC0B5D7D@panix.com> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:03:58 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Alternator, battery, fan, or normal? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The light will glow if there is a potential difference between the white side of the warning light, which comes from the ignition switch, and the brown/yellow side which comes from the alternator indicator terminal. In a good system it shouldn't glow. It usually indicates the alternator is failing, possibly one or more of the diodes, but it will also happen if you have bad connections between the alternator output terminal, via the solenoid connection and ignition switch to the white circuit. In both these cases it will glow brighter with increasing load. Measure the voltage between the output (brown) and the indicator (brown/yellow) terminals on the alternator - wiring connected, engine running, electrical loads switched on, such that you have the glow. If there is a potential difference between those two (other than perhaps a couple of tenths of a volt), then the alternator itself is the culprit. If either of them are over 14.7v then again the alternator is the culprit. If they are much the same but there is a potential difference between the output terminal and the ignition switch white such that the white is lower than the output terminal, then it is a bad connection between the two. The heater fan and the overdrive come off the white circuit so the problem could either be in the brown or the ignition switch. If the headlamps make no difference it will be the ignition switch circuit, if the headlamps make a difference then it will be in the brown circuit. Exactly where it could be in either case depends on the year as wiring varies. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >I noticed tonight that the red battery light has just a hint of red as I >was > driving home. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 21 07:47:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49432D0781 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 07:47:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF412D0751 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 07:47:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.16.1.32] (unknown [107.14.139.47]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D5303596F; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:50:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Whiteman Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 06:50:07 -0700 References: <44DB0CEB-709A-48CA-8239-F82BEC0B5D7D@panix.com> <4A7AC9C768774F8EA074457E13CD169C@paul> To: PaulHunt73 Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Alternator, battery, fan, or normal? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sep 21, 2012, at 1:03 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > The light will glow if there is a potential difference between the white side of the warning light, which comes from the ignition switch, and the brown/yellow side which comes from the alternator indicator terminal. In a good system it shouldn't glow. The white side, eh? Can't believe I forgot that. When I say glow, I mean "a hint of glow." I'd never see it in daylight. > It usually indicates the alternator is failing, possibly one or more of the diodes, but it will also happen if you have bad connections between the alternator output terminal, via the solenoid connection and ignition switch to the white circuit. In both these cases it will glow brighter with increasing load. I didn't write this last night, but it was "brightest" at steady speeds around 60mph with the OD on. Turning it off made the glow go away, but I did that not to reduce load, but to increase engine speed. The glow also appeared to go away as I slowed coming into town (but again, ambient light could have been the problem here). > Measure the voltage between the output (brown) and the indicator (brown/yellow) terminals on the alternator - wiring connected, engine running, electrical loads switched on, such that you have the glow. Voltmeter in voltage mode, one probe on each terminal, right? (I hate playing with devices that produce rich chunky unfused amps, so I want to be sure) > The heater fan and the overdrive come off the white circuit so the problem could either be in the brown or the ignition switch. If the headlamps make no difference it will be the ignition switch circuit, if the headlamps make a difference then it will be in the brown circuit. Exactly where it could be in either case depends on the year as wiring varies. It's a '75, but the wiring isn't all '75. The alternator has two large output terminals instead of 1, so I run a second parallel brown circuit between there and the solenoid terminal to the battery. I've spliced in feeds to the headlights and added relays to reduce the load on the original brown circuit. I'll make a run out tomorrow night and see what happens. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 21 09:23:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF722D0760 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:23:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40A02D03AE for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:23:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eekc4 with SMTP id c4so302516eek.14 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:26:17 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:cc:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=SfCVCPrUvw4ae5SPRKoqSjPv/spZRsphhEIOsFOVLVQ=; b=hu07nt6hPk3wOjGsRdWIKITNk3PY+MmbGk5jgKeTd3itlURS2oVzNHL4ZjcExw4zbm UGuZaW8o+BWOQAYj7CAP0VQHjiJgpWaRfz6+Y76OOSV6FNK6ZGCAUfbW6XXL5BwVECIh di6TNmbSMgLvSDFXbkcIaxbR1kYSKOmwqdQl/yvDwG0/vm5uIVje46W5CprL0qiw4O3Z P+Z6nqTzw39q4anSH1QtciaOu2PuSOkDetOowdJqlu7gjZl00HrpIp7UjTHh9L5FDcF1 +lBE8KpO+Ue0GV1GN6gE0hxmyBc9OKMj11GR/AJZNZZ7wr6lvHS1CCNQepXpda4REX/s MVIg== Received: by 10.14.203.73 with SMTP id e49mr6760996eeo.27.1348241177264; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 46sm24717948eef.17.2012.09.21.08.26.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:26:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Aaron Whiteman" References: <44DB0CEB-709A-48CA-8239-F82BEC0B5D7D@panix.com> <4A7AC9C768774F8EA074457E13CD169C@paul> <5FC00094-2865-4877-9FEC-98019F29CF22@panix.com> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:04:15 +0100 Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Alternator, battery, fan, or normal? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net You can measure each terminal to earth, but it's easier to measure between the two at the alternator, maybe less so when comparing the brown at the alt with the white at the ignition switch. Meter on volts, all you have to watch out for is that each probe doesn't touch earth as well as the terminal it is supposed to be on. If one is on a terminal, the other can be on an earth quite safely. Both my single-speed heater fans take about 3 amps, which is quite surprising given the relatively feeble performance. The motor out of a 2-speed heater may take a little more, although the two speeds were obtained by inserting a resistor to get the lower speed, rather than any mod to the windings themselves, although the two do have different part numbers. If the windings are shorting out or there is any mechanical drag on the fan slowing it down it will take more. OD should take less than an amp, fuel pump will only draw current in short occasional pulses - the original SU type anyway. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Voltmeter in voltage mode, one probe on each terminal, right? (I hate playing with devices that produce rich chunky unfused amps, so I want to be sure) But the fact that the OD and heater are both on the same white, that's interesting to me. Fuel pump too, IIRC. If the heater fan is going bad, it would draw more current, right? Could that too be the problem? What are they supposed to draw, because testing *that* is really easy :)= _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 21 13:04:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 833CC2D06AE for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:04:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD332D0361 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:03:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from frankdcczr6l6k ([unknown] [100.40.63.105]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MAP004NORRJMU50@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:06:56 -0500 (CDT) From: To: "MG List" Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:07:00 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Spin On Filters (Again) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry for this repititious post but I would like to know the correct Napa Gold Filter number to fit the adapter on my 1964 MGB. It is impossible to see it from above or below and I want to pick one up and avoid making two trips. I recall this being a topic of discussion some time ago. Thanks. Frank Krajewski _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 21 14:28:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 941F12D0783 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:28:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi129.prodigy.net (nlpi129.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3B72D02C3 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:25:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-99-141-162-222.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [99.141.162.222]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi129.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q8LKSA4I017320; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:28:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:28:12 -0500 To: frankk12@verizon.net, "MG List" From: Barney Gaylord References: <13A6A91491134BB0A7C409F402E424BD@frankdcczr6l6k> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Spin On Filters (Again) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net For original type filter insert cartridge see here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/of100a1.htm Spin-on adapter would be an aftermarket fitment for the 1964 model. See here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/of100b.htm http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/of100b1.htm At 03:07 PM 9/21/2012 -0400, frankk12@verizon.net wrote: >.... I would like to know the correct Napa Gold Filter number to fit >the adapter on my 1964 MGB. It is impossible to see it from >above or below and I want to pick one up and avoid making two >trips. I recall this being a topic of discussion some time ago. .... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 21 18:59:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2836E2D07C6 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 18:59:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.22.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 98BF32D07B3 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 18:59:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 22836 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2012 01:02:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2012 01:02:30 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=cUZqIa8xcyK9DRdvAN0G4LW7UdLT3lxqsSGbDc6fi2I=; b=V5LIH3GjwkdZwOOCvKnqy2+F8smpOuttWxEOmKRZjgCC8GWhZ9CTptTRvxfRTlcvoQkM1HjJTkJatH5wEybdP594iyZvwLbx0MX7iXZuDMFjYN2DZDFwwdNg1Yj4HPVO; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=38075 helo=[192.168.0.106]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TFE74-0004aa-OX for mgs@autox.team.net; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 19:02:30 -0600 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 20:02:28 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <13A6A91491134BB0A7C409F402E424BD@frankdcczr6l6k> <201209212028.q8LKSA4I017320@nlpi129.prodigy.net> {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] Spin On Filters (Again) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net << On 9/21/2012 2:07 PM, frankk12@verizon.net wrote: Sorry for this repititious post.......>> NO you are NOT Frank, LAZY = YEP ! ! ! Whilst Barney's "Reply Post:" IS spot-on, it should NOT have been necessary to bother him with such a MUNDANE and BEATEN-TO-DEATH subject, Frank ! ! ! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx The FOURTH line at bottom of EVERY List Post IS: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ---> mgs --->threads ---> search for NAPA Filters = Results: References: [ NAPA: 736 ] [ Filters: 1495 ] *Total 117 documents matching your query. *xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Geeesh, 'nuf said ? ! ?* * Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com PS: Not sure if that POS Outlook Express has a Spell Check, but YOU 'need' one - LOL ! ! PPS: For you own good go to http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/ and D/L ---> install the FREE [I repeat, FREE ] eMail program "Thunderbird" ! ! ! WAY, WAY 'safer' and HAS "Spel-CheK" --- LOL ! ! ! _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 22 13:11:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B442D046A for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 13:11:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685652D03AD for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 13:07:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 2J6A1k0090QkzPwA1KASAk; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 19:10:26 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:2601:5:640:2:9c90:4552:ec8a:3960] ([IPv6:2601:5:640:2:9c90:4552:ec8a:3960]) by omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 2KAP1k00Y1NMGeK8NKARL0; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 19:10:26 +0000 Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 14:10:25 -0500 From: Glenn Schnittke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Spin On Filters (Again) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Ed, take a deep breath. Then take your meds. The NAPA number we use at the shop is 5031, but that doesn't show up when you walk into a store because it's apparently a B2B number. Last time I walked into a store and asked for that number the guys were totally puzzled by it and so was the computer. Apparently they had changed their part number system since the last time I'd bought one retail. Frank, it might not hurt to take your existing filter to a NAPA store and just say "I need one of these". You didn't specify whether your adapter was hanging or standing. Barney's posts should lead you to the right one if you don't have a store nearby. > To:mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Spin On Filters (Again) > Message-ID:<505D0E24.2030703@justbrits.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > << On 9/21/2012 2:07 PM,frankk12@verizon.net wrote: > > Sorry for this repititious post.......>> > > NO you are NOT Frank, LAZY = YEP ! ! ! > > Whilst Barney's "Reply Post:" IS spot-on, it should NOT have been > necessary to bother him with such a MUNDANE and BEATEN-TO-DEATH > subject, Frank ! ! ! _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 22 15:15:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A58C2D046A for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:15:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a84.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcagg.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6713A2D0265 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:15:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a84.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a84.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8575C1DE05D for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 14:18:21 -0700 (PDT) :date:from:mime-version:to:subject:content-type; s=stclegal.com; bh=OYeYsE5yBl+Ygtz49Pct8Iu7Sq4=; b=RUEho4upmPBiDiK/OoYevDuDMFYj Hopzo5qlZsKjA2dMtC+xQuo8KeAX8o9UoQwjo10bHJxggBxQZhJ0W0CsNzn9uBr8 vCGispB0WESSWgorPf33dnXRWqwO1e5jw8GbFk6ViZOTJbYjr8UT3dAgR6H7JaSN oOucOeesCWsZiig= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ppp-69-148-176-175.dialup.stlsmo.swbell.net [69.148.176.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: guinness@stclegal.com) by homiemail-a84.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 46C0F1DE00C for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 14:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 16:14:32 -0500 From: "Robert J. Guinness" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] DM2 distributor cap on a 25D4 distributor (MGA) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Can you use a side entry distributor cap from a DM2 distributor on a 25D4 distributor? -- e-mail signature Robert Guinness _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 22 16:00:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6782C2D047C for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 16:00:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc4-s11.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s11.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A542D03B9 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU401-EAS342 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s11.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:02:03 -0700 From: Tom Daughdrill Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 17:02:00 -0500 To: "Mgs@autox.team.net" FILETIME=[E5BBD810:01CD990D] Subject: [Mgs] MGB Seats Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Are there any special tricks to removal or installation of seats in the RB MGBs? I know it is a real pain in the Midget, because the rails fall off of the seat frame. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 22 16:06:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5062D047C for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 16:06:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C11C2D03BE for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 16:06:10 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1348351752; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=FKbMU+1jggGPvKZqsAVXUm5lnDlZ7VtyV6IvcTQoM9PGB16kj777Vb9F/BQlS8w92 g2xsR7MaiT7kYmR8BPS6PmiEZ1blNeGFWmytpZpOBvmRQQaA9boWDiTUiv/sZywwPJ 1Fiw7nN22no35mEkyUpRkylqUOKNzcDcgO7gXb+w= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.102]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJF6PZKAVG8BJS for (sender ); Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mgbob@juno.com) by webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id SKAPFQ3P; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:08:20 PDT Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 22:08:17 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 22:08:17 GMT To: lincman90@hotmail.com, mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB Seats Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The MGB rails fall off as well or better than Midget rails. One wrap of masking tape around frame and rail may help to hold them on while maneuvering the seats back into the car. Just tear off the visible parts when done. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Tom Daughdrill To: "Mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mgs] MGB Seats Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 17:02:00 -0500 Are there any special tricks to removal or installation of seats in the RB MGBs? I know it is a real pain in the Midget, because the rails fall off of the seat frame. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 23 02:53:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2ECC2D04F1 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 02:53:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B932D0330 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 02:48:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eekc4 with SMTP id c4so797679eek.14 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 01:51:57 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=gNVjWIYo9Ev2sL7BoOmH8/b6qM6dyWHBobN0Vp5FDM0=; b=YFpxrGrauwtWqUzFvfYamcMop7KXiVb6KW+NMo/bhIkj2Z9BUDkvowVK7LtmiAMc28 JjUHEQEzlKkFOvod41MZmSRaey77nlRuu3qDTfu4DFXa8LPeUEP1gM93e/mSST25+Le/ 2yEWz7UtzJ31CcrERdpp5/9h2cfla4ay8TDhgVuN0PLIFqyVZhT+1ww3vCAf4D131rqO Gk+8sRyrHx+9jAg4PWogBJbS5Vc4l2UWOJKL+EWsRsujCRBrKQ5pbMjQt6Zsjz8XMsyL YbZflv1KuxdQ+1g45oZls5o0ZoBIHjgVajozEl67AeMc1SQR7ycBXmspsHuo41HbICFf KfPQ== Received: by 10.14.4.201 with SMTP id 49mr11393951eej.0.1348390317687; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 01:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u47sm37012379eeo.9.2012.09.23.01.51.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 23 Sep 2012 01:51:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: , References: <20120922.180817.32068.0@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 09:32:55 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB Seats Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Indeed (RB or CB, roadster or GT), and the last thing you want is the rails clattering on your shiny paintwork. However I've found that the outer rail with the adjuster is fine, it's the inner one that falls off. Push the seat back as far as it will go and use a ratchet ring spanner to undo the front bolts. These are concealed inside the fixed crossmember so try and avoid stripping the welded nuts or shearing the bolts. With those undone you can get the seat to slide forwards further than normal, and use a standard socket on the rears. Replacement is the reverse of removal, personally I've never had any problems locating the rear holes first as you can look down on them. With those in it is just a matter of swinging the front rails from side to side until you feel the bolt go into the nut. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > The MGB rails fall off as well or better than Midget rails. One wrap of > masking tape around frame and rail may help to hold them on while > maneuvering > the seats back into the car. Just tear off the visible parts when done. > Bob > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > > Are there any special tricks to removal or installation of seats in the RB > MGBs? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 23 04:26:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365E42D02D1 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 04:26:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm8.bullet.mail.sg3.yahoo.com (nm9-vm8.bullet.mail.sg3.yahoo.com [106.10.148.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 412B02D03AB for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 04:22:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [106.10.166.120] by nm9.bullet.mail.sg3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2012 10:25:12 -0000 Received: from [106.10.151.139] by tm9.bullet.mail.sg3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2012 10:25:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.mail.sg3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2012 10:25:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 7901 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Sep 2012 10:25:12 -0000 s=s1024; t=1348395912; bh=ULZV9wjO4OIWeTlzz9tZhFPSd5DYVmkD/zItrqyMbsg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wVFet0pvttj36w1dNNlkg67POmimNk0BlKUuHZCVMMknM06IvVM4Qpn81JCdwHQgqamT0Ip9Rafr4JhDznymhUK41FqVb4dTimBRY9Pxi25RFY21ryu1e6GVxFVZKnyKNvQ96VclGd/35w7YBqwd6by1SLtwEFdHJn1yDkZgl9k= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FsvwLWMvkkLkCvmZU9wFNgzQy1CHgdPOQzsPzbDmSIiUftZ2ZbJVDHAM7ZZVVkNm1MXJtpcbv8lK3UyeEyJjLGVQHDEdgBqFANbS+JLQKBivOow1BoBzB2x3X5KJKVJLaUM6FyS2RbeWkNkPQZxeP71XwFLp3yZflI3Q0x3AWrQ=; las.N8yYX_DC0dG2ux31YPWNzjHvgVie1kn5emnVnDEz1WVtxkUB1vvLBn8A VtThsRq0ymemYdhKBemYPsWaw_4NFV3cJSsWGjXlPmkiInaNloB7wf3jtlJo u4uLsvlN7U2IWkh6RdwuDPLQjg5rMm1XkRMvk89axCd6hsFDk45j.GMOyGt3 KbvcieiR_XD2BmCIiGPnvRYHzmxWkOAxdlDkH2L0yJRiZntoNOc4YRooBS_R LpsTeKoC5QbHsIfjPJyRg8TisPJUL1Xc8dxoldVHd.hq4ksO0WJGBASV2Vyw W8h4p2mvBD_gu6Hi8C5kg6pQ96TJhxcvcuo8Gir0vmvsl9lABsIVnbiDY3m3 owzqpe9vUL.z937BhHT1tyM2pAUFXdwpeLQsYLB7FViHokU37o7agNAckgGK QJkSOUWatmZb6813PCvJblmnlvO.AUD6rxSfBUJBhCtUX1H0xlofReQhXYJw do3oYhAxYn9oe1VV5G6xUEJcRh1GpEk6nNXABtgFmt.Vnltt9Jg-- Received: from [182.18.209.2] by web190405.mail.sg3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 18:25:12 SGT References: <20120922.180817.32068.0@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 18:25:12 +0800 (SGT) From: "Martin C. Galan" To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB 50th in Manila, Philippines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net A pair of snaps from this morning's MGB 50th get together. Despite the monsoon rain the night before, it did not deter a few of us from getting together to celebrate this milestone. We were joined by a few MG T's and other roadsters. https://picasaweb.google.com/galan.m/MGB50 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 23 09:27:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B46D42D0691 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 09:27:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy12-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy12-pub.bluehost.com [50.87.16.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3BDDE2D0644 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 09:27:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 1667 invoked by uid 0); 23 Sep 2012 15:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy12.bluehost.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2012 15:30:11 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=7WBEBCHYcc1KIXIVVeC4DKHadoqqqcBBF2qMPkWBtEk=; b=QPNC+P3QptmxiBYb14u398lc3c1LCVpZaMAFgyvBQfAsstwd6Y7EQbIcr726ykf/qDB/wdwNqsqz6EpRQwM0B6S31sPzDooxxaT+i1b9zMkNeDBeI17uV6Kg6tRja+2x; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=37245 helo=[192.168.0.106]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TFo8J-0003ql-2P for mgs@autox.team.net; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 09:30:11 -0600 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 10:30:09 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <20120922.180817.32068.0@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com> <1348395912.7620.YahooMailNeo@web190405.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB 50th in Manila, Philippines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net << On 9/23/2012 5:25 AM, Martin C. Galan wrote: We were joined by a few MG T's and other roadsters. >> The Blue Leaf Events Pavilion seems to be a lovely place to not only stay but to take pictures except of "T-Series" MG. Why not, Martin (Marty??) ?? Especially since the three (3) "Bs" pics are GREAT ? ! ? Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com PS: I am ALWAYS happy to 'host" such pictures with WAY better "pic options" ! ! And WITHOUT the sometimes REQUIRED "Membership to Google and/or Picasa" ! ? ! ? PPS: er, unless Password Protect/Required is Desired (can be done, tho). _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 23 16:25:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2912D080D for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 16:25:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D663B2D06BF for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 16:25:42 -0600 (MDT) cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=FB6NmUnAAagA:10 a=9qOZ94yJZxoA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=1XWaLZrsAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=MeUnuvhNHqPGPCCBFNkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=MQO9Xm0/HsrOVAaqHbBOdA==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.30.144] ([72.172.30.144:60322] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id C6/90-06055-C1D8F505; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 18:28:45 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 17:28:42 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: "Martin C. Galan" References: <20120922.180817.32068.0@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com> <1348395912.7620.YahooMailNeo@web190405.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB 50th in Manila, Philippines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That blue B on the left is a dead ringer for mine except it doesn't seem to have the big headrests. CR On 9/23/2012 5:25 AM, Martin C. Galan wrote: > A pair of snaps from this morning's MGB 50th get together. Despite the monsoon rain the night before, it did not deter a few of us from getting together to celebrate this milestone. We were joined by a few MG T's and other roadsters. > > > https://picasaweb.google.com/galan.m/MGB50 > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 26 11:57:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB572D0500 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:57:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm35.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm35.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.238.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8AF3A2D04D1 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:57:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm35.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2012 18:00:32 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.246] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2012 18:00:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1055.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2012 18:00:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 62485 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Sep 2012 18:00:31 -0000 s=s1024; t=1348682431; bh=4O0TSh4YGGr1daUscY7kLK46VBFQbwFukuW1LiUCSbo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JQ6dgkuSuIlk2mFb7m0Mw2lBWYMowHUoQ0/VvFUCibNrIhwr9S9ULjie1iDFYSw/eptzCS/WvvjiW71fiC8sDZMrdtN5l+cYuNcGma1MsAn22cUf+G7Ga6zOAMwWhLQ9KoZ08MHkefQuXR0mtU9j9A9Gh1jacwMXb67euKRCP5w= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=415QT8aFCs+heQV43PGf//csluTz9PYDFg2Je290WU1oGkMJtsiA5LsHHnxl89IqPhAEVKctgU1D2OOjjPvsL85mmq18KisjoMUUrbxoGuSfOFm6+GIsO2UPncDlrtVLI56fAjhH0pI9xdHKXaxvhR4ojzx13FzDPDoxi5jQHYY=; 7tCxP1.GByHLWLe7VskenQK6XC3GbnVb3FxMQVANY25QnOm72KP7c1q_JaSm qp33JIKUOsqJRpmz.zlDw12AIaY1g_KCk8QfIxKUth2WFaqn8xlzow9ehyOY x.rbUqJHDPKbZedYkcVjJSgMjxzcDq8u5Bwk3oFMys52QHNlM7ZyyNOPheSO 5x64nXoiWg9eCC.OExEfR3fIVJj3ShQmZuyKYrw7lhPYMagqNOOevX9H0XWX rcorKzHB7ambxpx2aNu1i8lV1SzadA9EiMuNDg2xIm.HNY2oKbRGmhZOubt6 49..LRaYcD2ebqcyEQiSGM7mgTwBLrlu9T3DErFgnjsmHEqUcphaPhitn9EN DBSJG8Th7E4EUdNYnH52CnmUNOPwqsVpDnfpC65LrIcRl7GvIeEWeb7IQYAm AGRe3upRyHKGbnWhjoHlNnm07b4MtE8POh93o9xFgYbWRV9U- Received: from [69.248.128.143] by web39406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:00:31 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:00:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: MG List , MGB- Yahoo Subject: [Mgs] RIP Al Moss Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net He passed away last night, the founder of Moss Motors in the '50's. Dan D '76 B Driver '65 B Project Central NJ USA _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 26 16:11:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408EC2D051A for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 16:11:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2452D03D6 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 16:08:48 -0600 (MDT) cv=U9J4vEbsUGZKlOB7Gk1CDDlmI27CLOBMznNjXITughE= c=1 sm=0 a=FB6NmUnAAagA:10 a=dWb6fIm71RsA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=avnhKc6hK19SHK6Nw-QA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=lpGf7q7wmV/krcKoFvws7g==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.29.171] ([72.172.29.171:60935] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 5F/FC-04638-8AD73605; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 18:11:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 17:11:44 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: Glenn Schnittke References: <505E0D21.90906@comcast.net> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Spin On Filters (Again) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I use a hanging filter adapter on my B. The NAPA gold filter for it is #1374. CR _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 27 14:30:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8102D04AC for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 14:30:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s31.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s31.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2562D03D2 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 14:26:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU0-SMTP22 ([65.55.111.71]) by blu0-omc2-s31.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 27 Sep 2012 13:29:21 -0700 Received: from [10.198.95.81] ([198.228.204.128]) by BLU0-SMTP22.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 27 Sep 2012 13:29:18 -0700 To: "=?utf-8?B?TUcgTGlzdA==?=" ,"=?utf-8?B?TWFnbmV0dGUgZ3JvdXA=?=" From: =?utf-8?B?c2NodWx0ZWppbUBtc24uY29t?= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 16:24:37 -0400 FILETIME=[C5210F00:01CD9CEE] Subject: [Mgs] =?utf-8?q?Shock_rebuilds?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Folks, My brother wants to rebuild shocks on a late B. I for the life of me can't think of the place in the mid-west where I got mine done. Can someone remind me. TIA Jim 70B 58 Magnette Sent via the HTC Vividb", an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 27 15:18:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D632D04CA for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:18:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi129.prodigy.net (nlpi129.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EDFE2D0376 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:13:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-75-5-74-154.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [75.5.74.154]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi129.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q8RLGdZq026937; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 16:16:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 16:16:43 -0500 To: "schultejim@msn.com" , "MG List" , "Magnette group" From: Barney Gaylord References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] Shock rebuilds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net World Wide Auto Parts http://www.nosimport.com At 04:24 PM 9/27/2012 -0400, schultejim@msn.com wrote: >.... >My brother wants to rebuild shocks on a late B. I for the life of >me can't think of the place in the mid-west where I got mine done. >Can someone remind me. >.... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 27 15:20:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F702D04F6 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:20:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16862D04AB for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:20:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e690f.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.105.15]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MB100IGN23MB0V0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:23:14 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: zmagnette@mgcars.org.uk, MG List , Magnette group References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] Shock rebuilds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Peter at Worldwide Imports: www.worldwideimportautoparts.com -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 04:24 PM 9/27/2012, schultejim@msn.com wrote: >Folks, >My brother wants to rebuild shocks on a late >B. I for the life of me can't think of the >place in the mid-west where I got mine done. Can someone remind me. >TIA >Jim >70B >58 Magnette >Sent via the HTC Vivid, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 27 15:28:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B47F2D05D1 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:28:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F9E2D0489 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:28:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e690f.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.105.15]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MB1002IL2FVNEP0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:30:36 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: zmagnette@mgcars.org.uk, MG List , Magnette group References: <7.1.0.9.2.20120927172201.09d0f688@optonline.net> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Shock rebuilds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Oops. I guess the business is actually called World Wide Auto Parts, though in some places it says World Wide Import Auto Parts. www.nosimport.com seems to get you there as well. At 05:23 PM 9/27/2012, Steven Trovato wrote: >Peter at Worldwide Imports: > >www.worldwideimportautoparts.com > >-Steve Trovato >strovato@optonline.net > >At 04:24 PM 9/27/2012, schultejim@msn.com wrote: >>Folks, >>My brother wants to rebuild shocks on a late >>B. I for the life of me can't think of the >>place in the mid-west where I got mine done. Can someone remind me. >>TIA >>Jim >>70B >>58 Magnette >>Sent via the HTC Vivid, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 30 13:58:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343682D0161 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 13:58:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a84.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdccac.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D189C2C0D46 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 13:57:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a84.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a84.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519141DE059 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 13:01:00 -0700 (PDT) :date:from:mime-version:to:subject:content-type; s=stclegal.com; bh=3yhf/zzKOOheK1alxw9eWhKPv+4=; b=IbIf58kUQQiIeQnfC14aWJqBXjWS xaQNFxIPKcShFtC8+s1Eb/ab6JdMGk4JpArGJ6BvFvLDZuM7vXngkwHWGfYD1G40 MzmhUZjmzWXY4XoQxWUvcut1i4eIjh4Df3WmXnLZRKACVjw/T1tc1YmrJWYoCaiC y1rewzmOKwrW2wU= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (adsl-69-148-180-54.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net [69.148.180.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: guinness@stclegal.com) by homiemail-a84.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1CDEC1DE058 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 13:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 14:57:05 -0500 From: "Robert J. Guinness" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] MGA Distributor Problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I recently had my DM2 distributor out of a MGA 1600 with a three main 1800 engine and encountered two problems. 1. When the points were adjuster to the farthest open setting, the cam would still not open them. I had experience intermittent lack of power on acceleration under load. 2. I replaced the distributor with another used one. When I set the engine at TDC to static time the "new" distributor (DM2), the rotor points 180 degrees away from the #1 wire. The distributor drops in OK. Of course the engine does nor start. there is the occasional backfire and rifle out out the tail pipe. I even dropped in a spare 25D distributor and it also points away from #1. What is going on? -- e-mail signature Robert Guinness _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 30 14:18:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70D82D0161 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 14:18:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19352C6CD1 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 14:15:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e690f.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.105.15]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MB600IU8J2N2NJ0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 16:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 16:17:43 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: "Robert J. Guinness" , MG List References: <5068A411.8040204@stclegal.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA Distributor Problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Well, a 4-cycle engine goes to TDC twice. Once at the top of the compression stroke and once at the top of the exhaust stroke. Just remember, suck, squeeze, bang, blow. You need to go all the way around one more time and the distributor should do another 180 degrees and be right where you want it. Then you will have spark at the right time, the engine will run and all will be right with the world. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 03:57 PM 9/30/2012, Robert J. Guinness wrote: >I replaced the distributor with another used one. When I set the >engine at TDC to static time the "new" distributor (DM2), the rotor >points 180 degrees away from the #1 wire. The distributor drops in OK. >Of course the engine does nor start. there is the occasional backfire >and rifle out out the tail pipe. I even dropped in a spare 25D >distributor and it also points away from #1. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 30 14:19:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B322D01EC for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 14:19:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A65922C0D46 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 14:17:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4381738000069; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 16:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-ddc002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-ddc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.52.133]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 10761E00008D; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 16:20:14 -0400 (EDT) References: <5068A411.8040204@stclegal.com> To: guinness@stclegal.com, mgs@autox.team.net From: bmcspares@aol.com Received: from 174.26.94.93 by Webmail-d123.sysops.aol.com (205.188.108.132) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 30 Sep 2012 16:20:13 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 16:20:13 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1349036414; bh=ZiNo7mJp5yMTbPb+0D6eC0CE8izPCAg+H8jdRU+HGAU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ye0QGcdn/yAi9ScdKGfr+iuyFi7CCCh5wpnCFDg5Fu+mU5VXQ3TgM8F6Z3FmMuHV+ FZTlPsBoYMvuWz1dPG2CNb6Z3StzqO2LSszDHNLqcuZXsajYeLlhs3EPolzA99YZYZ hM3/WGDVATlibLlKmkD4O/ybRQLPAJTbe5rhdJb4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a5068a97e1c9a Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA Distributor Problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net What has happened is someone has had the drive dog off the shaft of the distributor and put it back on 180' from where it was when it came from the factory. Just knock the pin out, reinstall 180' and you should be good to go. Jon Nyhus -----Original Message----- From: Robert J. Guinness To: MG List Sent: Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:01 pm Subject: [Mgs] MGA Distributor Problems I recently had my DM2 distributor out of a MGA 1600 with a three main 1800 engine and encountered two problems. 1. When the points were adjuster to the farthest open setting, the cam would still not open them. I had experience intermittent lack of power on acceleration under load. 2. I replaced the distributor with another used one. When I set the engine at TDC to static time the "new" distributor (DM2), the rotor points 180 degrees away from the #1 wire. The distributor drops in OK. Of course the engine does nor start. there is the occasional backfire and rifle out out the tail pipe. I even dropped in a spare 25D distributor and it also points away from #1. What is going on? -- e-mail signature Robert Guinness _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/bmcspares@aol.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 30 20:49:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mgs-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4D52D014D for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:49:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D5E2C0CAA for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:49:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e690f.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.105.15]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-9.20 (built Jul 15 2010)) with ESMTPA id <0MB700EAR1BXID30@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 22:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 22:52:05 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <5068A411.8040204@stclegal.com> <8CF6D6021EEFD13-AFC-57111@Webmail-d123.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA Distributor Problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Give my way a try before you get drastic. Take a look at the procedure given here: http://www.custompistols.com/cars/articles/ignition_timing.htm Note this part: So, the first step in any static timing operation is to set the engine to the required number of degrees before top dead center on the compression stroke. At this time, both the intake and exhaust valves should be closed and the rocker arms loose. (Removing the rocker arm cover and watching the intake valve, the second valve from the front open and close as you rotate the engine over either by using a 1 5/16" wrench or socket on the crankshaft pulley or pushing the car with the engine in gear is not a bad idea the first time you do this to make sure you are actually on the compression stroke. If you push the car, take it out of gear and set the handbrake before proceeding to ensure the engine can not move off the proper timing mark.) The brass tip of the rotor should be pointing towards the number one terminal of the distributor cap at this point. If it is pointing towards the number four cylinder nipple, your timing is "180 out" or you are on the exhaust stroke of number one cylinder, not the compression stroke. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 04:20 PM 9/30/2012, bmcspares@aol.com wrote: >What has happened is someone has had the drive dog off the shaft of the >distributor and put it back on 180' from where it was when it came from the >factory. Just knock the pin out, reinstall 180' and you should be good to go. > > >Jon Nyhus _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs-archive@autox.team.net