From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 1 06:53:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A1042B14 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 06:53:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [204.127.217.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C1DC42AD5 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 06:45:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from station1 (adsl-98-94-199-169.ard.bellsouth.net[98.94.199.169]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20130201134047H02000ajqme>; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 13:40:48 +0000 From: "Bill Snyder" To: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 08:40:47 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4Agb1/hbHu+T9JSea8Aa4DsTPPBQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Mgs] Fuel Issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to the list. You guys are terrific. After checking the things you suggested, my problem turned out to be just a stuck needle valve in the rear carb float bowl. So apparently the first 3 cylinders were running off the front carb only. Thanks for all your expertise and your willingness to share it. Please know that I am a better veterinarian than I am a mechanic and that dogs and cats only eat carbs. Bill Snyder Waynesville, NC '66 MGB '00 Honda S2000 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 1 09:13:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E0D42B5D for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:13:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm37-vm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm37-vm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.238.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EFEE429AB for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:13:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm37.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2013 16:08:03 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.193] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2013 16:08:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2013 16:08:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 18832 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Feb 2013 16:08:02 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359734882; bh=ViWExjUBz5IAVrIaNwsX/aBnAYqYGxna+ZYr7sdLa6Q=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MacZT6gPzvlGs17NWx4jshIZ50ZL3qbdkbYYDMiAJWHlC7fUaqtpV+r4zcnMclHbM5Y5f2nvgFQi02RK1nRmD7EV7+gHKHchAdpII4aYpx0DruhE9MhTNFbiZIJXdw9NYykF7tLMQWxlmmgZ8HoZrOybWyP78v5CxObUyJZ6zL8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dRVirSSqUloATLgjYbEuZMuXaa4Y4oHh5ViCUytKQJxLGH9IYrJZa/lmXN5X1D69VocfD5mrewRWVADmY+eep7QxrGFDsSLZkB4SoNz5vHCACkAoIWB43ThC8DmC8KQ5E2XkpZ4qPrCzLXyTHVIR2tlPXQkDkeXqGXmo3dz4euU=; adQGt7_p9mYRAQ88hQefgtEpbuD8P4Qi7.RLqfdNRl0WVof79U7XSQj8DOg6 HKDlHlZr4JVeVjWK67TXMhP4XUT8SOukad5vdWzfPPqQn0MDorqHiUFUb.jn rXQqcgQWhAeYxIDk5dct8nwXxX2nmi4wyIcB8dWZE1M9Hf5W_oJ.M5dpTkPj nbR93p7qNLyQ.qDbvTGcUoPFtXcMfBlYKd1MjDCm5ygNK16rEVl2LQcl5RDO n18SiF0HMHU7iTlzC1kdEV_iW2U6o9a_Ov7FXgBv8epBbUJU8nBi5WOlh0SC R9H3wSplPwtLny3EMqzCUU8kngw.KZOQ0tMQYE.mFZurle2vTSwsrMhkJY6w SP1s6lUWvg922_ILinzBl.0ueAsJgVzJYh1noKdR8miPKJ0uizjbzDKQERge ATpE4SfKR3fdg.8MsCQd6..3HPDmebEOCiUQM9VjpXuNR2Q410pQvjBlVmZq XyqxW8Qdn2vt6KpapHMC6g3UHNc9FHtxO_GLbMXAd13Gey1UbmuCWMfbA1Ru L38XL46n_tZeFEX8LQM77.lSX4hZ8JT2HITjF7wcF4.JCZkf5CJcsz.h3JKx QGeE97F0saz0mri.kCMqXRuOgDedxXJA3cwc3nevzCwlL6E_FudC6v3FlTBa pmuu5YLam9uY4cWxRcSj4TAGpdI9MOsEZlPBb7euerLy.Rypsh2drf47EFkh dKrz6KGHD_3d4fLPbR2eVzrxR8wWzDbGbpE5dqrc- Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 08:08:02 PST VmVyeSBnb29kIC0gcmVtaW5kcyBtZSBvZiB0aGlzIC0KCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cueW91dHViZS5jb20vd2F0Y2g_dj1OMXRUTi1iNUtIZwoKCkRhbiBECic3NkIKJzY1QgpDZW50cmFsIE5KIFVTQQoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogUGF1bEh1bnQ3MyA8cGF1bGh1bnQ3M0B2aXJnaW5tZWRpYS5jb20.ClRvOiBtZ3NAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ7IE1HLU1HQkB5YWhvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb207IFY4IGxpc3QgPG1nYi12OEBhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldD4gClNlbnQ6IEZyaWRheSwgRmUBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 08:08:02 -0800 (PST) From: Dan DiBiase To: "MG-MGB@yahoogroups.com" , MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] I know it's Tri*mph but ... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Very good - reminds me of this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1tTN-b5KHg Dan D '76B '65B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: PaulHunt73 To: mgs@autox.team.net; MG-MGB@yahoogroups.com; V8 list Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 10:34 AM Subject: [MG-MGB] I know it's Tri*mph but ... ... you might like this - very clever, especially the bit at the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daVDrGsaDME ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MG-MGB/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MG-MGB/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: MG-MGB-digest@yahoogroups.com MG-MGB-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: MG-MGB-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 1 21:01:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3966940E4D for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 21:01:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp142.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp142.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56CCF406AF for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 21:00:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp24.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 99A601A037A for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 22:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by smtp24.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: don-AT-napanet.net) with ESMTPSA id DAC3D1A0379 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 22:55:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:55:18 -0800 To: mgs@autox.team.net From: Don Subject: [Mgs] roving burglars looking for MGs? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On Monday night, or very early Tuesday morning, intruders came into our yard and did some mischief. My MGs were in a garage, which was closed but unlocked. Apparently they did not go into the garage at all, so the MGs were not tampered with nor was anything taken from inside the garage.. But, owner's manuals and keys were taken from three of my Japanese cars; two of the cars were in a carport, and one was outside. It's a mystery as to what they were up to, as valuables were not taken, nor any of the cars taken. Perhaps they could not drive a standard shift and that stopped 'em from taking a car. I do live in a rural area, and until this happened, felt comfortable leaving keys in cars, and door unlocked. Below is an email I got from my brother-in-law. You must read the article that is linked in his email about a fellow back east who had a hoarding habit, and the hoarding included MGs. My brother-in-law has a great sense of humor, and he knows that at one time I had about eight MGs in various states of repair or disrepair in my yard. Don Scott, Calistoga 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese cars ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email from my brother-in-law: Subject: roving burglars looking for MGs? To: Anne Scott , don boundary="-1172831624-764119559-1359764264=:83630" Hi Anne & Don, I'm sorry to hear about the burglary. It doesn't sound as if they made off with much of yours, and I'm grateful to hear that. Wouldn't you know it but I just came across this article about some burglars who are targeting people with lots of MGs. (nothing in the article about Miatas) They were in VT so unless it's a nationwide ring, I doubt it's the same people. http://news.yahoo.com/looters-steal-200k-coins-hoarders-death-205449015.html From the photos in the article, do you recognize any of them? Danny ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email that I sent to my neighbors: Subject: Burglaries on Scott Way To: undisclosed recipients Friends and neighbors, Last night someone or someones, broke into the Bazzoli house (located near us on Scott Way) and stole two guns. He/they also came into our yard and stole the owner's manuals from two cars, and the keys from three cars. Strange things to take from us, but maybe they were intoxicated or something. The keys to my Miata were in Dan Bazzoli's truck, and the sheriff's deputy gave them back to me. The car books are gone, along with all the repair receipts in them. Maybe the thief collects owner's manuals and keys? Guns can be sold at least for quick cash. So, keep your eyes and ears open for mischief in the area, and car keys and manuals scattered on the ground. Don Scott _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 07:19:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC54540F5C for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 07:19:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 587FF40566 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 07:18:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from frankdcczr6l6k ([unknown] [100.40.18.211]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MHL001D0JIVNH20@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 08:13:45 -0600 (CST) From: To: "Don" References: Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 09:13:49 -0500 Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] roving burglars looking for MGs? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Don: Was looking forward to reading your article but it wouldn't open. I live in rural RI with a shop that has my 2 MGBs, Triumph Bonneville bike and Mazda Miata. I never locked it until now. Not long ago I had a problem with minor vandalism to my 1980 MGB LE that could have been major had I not discovered it. Someone loosened all the lug nuts on the RF wheel. When I went for a ride I heard this awful thud coming from the front suspension and assumed the worst, broken shock or spring or A arm so I slowly motored home and jacked the car up when I detected the wheel was barely hanging on to the wheel studs. There is now way this could have happened other than by a vandal since the car sits covered and I routinely check the wheels for tire pressure and lug nut torque. Cannot understand what someone would sneak into my shop and cause only that sort of damage but I have my suispicions. Love your part of the country. Raced my HP Sprite for many years at Sears Point. I still refer to it as Sears Point regardless of whatever new name it has these days. Frank Krajewski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don" To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 10:55 PM Subject: [Mgs] roving burglars looking for MGs? > On Monday night, or very early Tuesday morning, intruders came into > our yard and did some mischief. My MGs were in a garage, which was > closed but unlocked. Apparently they did not go into the garage at > all, so the MGs were not tampered with nor was anything taken from > inside the garage.. But, owner's manuals and keys were taken from > three of my Japanese cars; two of the cars were in a carport, and one > was outside. It's a mystery as to what they were up to, as valuables > were not taken, nor any of the cars taken. Perhaps they could not > drive a standard shift and that stopped 'em from taking a car. I do > live in a rural area, and until this happened, felt comfortable > leaving keys in cars, and door unlocked. > > Below is an email I got from my brother-in-law. You must read the > article that is linked in his email about a fellow back east who had > a hoarding habit, and the hoarding included MGs. My brother-in-law > has a great sense of humor, and he knows that at one time I had about > eight MGs in various states of repair or disrepair in my yard. > > Don Scott, Calistoga > 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese > cars > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Email from my brother-in-law: > > Subject: roving burglars looking for MGs? > To: Anne Scott , don > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="-1172831624-764119559-1359764264=:83630" > > Hi Anne & Don, > > I'm sorry to hear about the burglary. It doesn't sound as if they > made off with much of yours, and I'm grateful to hear that. > > Wouldn't you know it but I just came across this article about some > burglars who are targeting people with lots of MGs. (nothing in the > article about Miatas) They were in VT so unless it's a nationwide > ring, I doubt it's the same people. > > http://news.yahoo.com/looters-steal-200k-coins-hoarders-death-205449015.html > > From the photos in the article, do you recognize any of them? > > Danny > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Email that I sent to my neighbors: > > Subject: Burglaries on Scott Way > To: undisclosed recipients > > Friends and neighbors, > Last night someone or someones, broke into the Bazzoli house (located > near us on Scott Way) and stole two guns. He/they also came into our > yard and stole the owner's manuals from two cars, and the keys from > three cars. Strange things to take from us, but maybe they were > intoxicated or something. The keys to my Miata were in Dan Bazzoli's > truck, and the sheriff's deputy gave them back to me. The car books > are gone, along with all the repair receipts in them. Maybe the > thief collects owner's manuals and keys? Guns can be sold at least > for quick cash. > So, keep your eyes and ears open for mischief in the area, and car > keys and manuals scattered on the ground. > Don Scott > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/frankk12@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 10:58:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ACB3428AD for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 10:58:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm39-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm39-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00EB54068C for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 10:55:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.174] by nm39.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2013 17:50:20 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.199] by tm13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2013 17:50:20 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2013 17:50:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 70531 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2013 17:50:20 -0000 s=s1024; t=1359827420; bh=JU2q9DqLKlZIYENpO8wKB1MAgy79pzTCfCKL/hQMGps=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NKwAEOop8pgbL1c460qcXv4qnMdm/8PKecHyAhKUqahzxnMi1WUVbu33xN6vbqHD1Ew4HuFEQGzzUHA+fZLBA3AwYv5gINuI5lzJKwX6j4zsr6TysPDFF+oM3nVf3Nd3zYgKK6ycKbPIAdcI/xu6Zj/U1hiM2/Sc4wB2EhzVAQM= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jT07GddcqBqizluvu8in+y+/WSIyXMxC6ryyCbhoroX3i1KE8rXN7UnRVitHz6Oisui6WLZcYLpj6tBhPKPR728kMfbY7lFAtd7Wj7v0Ag1iqfZIx6brPHWUDuUyb+v4kQ4QCCY+S6snwN3BVD5RXuL211ND/3Y8J5ptksmziYI=; iun8kLENRqWLVIAqFgqTiBPUr.CzCV63KWo4hG54jZrVTjPpS8FYuYcFgG0a 15DqEBZh3ZEMOi2t32S5fjj.UfaK880an0Xw5XWu3w09DKXegZOkV75f2lOn oeByZqN_KDqqlcZvTq2aKhvJonH3NPYDmjN573cOLINVCiIMTanuNW4E7Ecj b2GOq4num1Uz8CvV0965EbC8SOhQqfjh0mvwpotFNO7gsKIYXjIOXd6wBndD YtHhgyzYemy3hn1PubkGvji5.pFct.fwqQSKxKkS4ErxFGumfj7Jl6U_bApf II8Hm2EM.GS5c0OQpYalgsQH02XXsKmzAvNwttho__eBkGOzbN6Rtd169urV 7VidJKXpsI3rhVs4caqJSCpW1fJaGmgrawUe6SDrESC5hyYNFYVMmewDksSS j4Tt4lExBgchggJRoig0meHg63unHXyFC3u6PZ5pNvqLD5.7lu8ZkYhwaXF2 vgYWNHkw- Received: from [98.125.217.117] by web163901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 09:50:20 PST Ci0tLSBPbiBGcmksIDIvMS8xMywgRG9uIDxkb25AbmFwYW5ldC5uZXQ.IHdyb3RlOgoKPiBBcHBhcmVudGx5IHRoZXkgZGlkIG5vdCBnbyBpbnRvCj4gdGhlIGdhcmFnZSBhdCAKPiBhbGwsIHNvIHRoZSBNR3Mgd2VyZSBub3QgdGFtcGVyZWQgd2l0aCBub3Igd2FzIGFueXRoaW5nCj4gdGFrZW4gZnJvbSAKPiBpbnNpZGUgdGhlIGdhcmFnZS4uwqAgQnV0LCBvd25lcidzIG1hbnVhbHMgYW5kIGtleXMgd2VyZQo.IHRha2VuIGZyb20gCj4gdGhyZWUgb2YgbXkgSmFwYW5lc2UgY2FyczsgdHdvIG9mIHRoZSBjYXIBMAEBAQE- Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 09:50:20 -0800 (PST) From: David Breneman To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] roving burglars looking for MGs? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --- On Fri, 2/1/13, Don wrote: > Apparently they did not go into > the garage at > all, so the MGs were not tampered with nor was anything > taken from > inside the garage.. But, owner's manuals and keys were > taken from > three of my Japanese cars; two of the cars were in a > carport, and one > was outside. It's a mystery as to what they were up > to, as valuables > were not taken, nor any of the cars taken. About a dozen years ago, some kids came into my yard and rooted through my car at the time, an S-10 Chevy Blazer. They left a portable CD player, my Valentine One radar detector and my checkbook. They opened and looked at a Webster wire recorder that was in back. They took a ring of keys, a laser pointer, a canvas satchel I used as a brief case (after dumping the contents out), and a London Fog rain coat. It was December, and when the Christmas lights on the garage (on a timer) came on, it scared them off. The car doors closing woke me up. From that point on, I put in a motion-sensing yard light (which since has been turned on numerous times by deer and raccoons, but never by burglars). I also lock my car at night. Sad to have to do that in your own yard, but this was the second time this had happened in 15 years. My MGA in locked in the garage, as prescribed by Hagerty. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 11:16:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C122942AEF for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 11:16:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from atl4mhob08.myregisteredsite.com (atl4mhob08.myregisteredsite.com [209.17.115.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC6D740538 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 11:15:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailpod1.hostingplatform.com (mailpod1.networksolutionsemail.com [206.188.198.65]) by atl4mhob08.myregisteredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r12IAnGv003015 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 13:10:49 -0500 Received: (qmail 27076 invoked by uid 0); 2 Feb 2013 18:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Yorkie) (lister@bonackers.com@64.22.228.130) by 0 with ESMTPA; 2 Feb 2013 18:10:47 -0000 From: "Scott Bonacker" To: References: <26C02EDAC80042D2AC0C5C78ADC2CC38@frankdcczr6l6k> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 12:10:48 -0600 Organization: Scott Bonacker Thread-Index: AQGQzawlDIM0t7tRrLeBFw4lnKSEsgGpDU2mmNPupNA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] roving burglars looking for MGs? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Good story, thank you. You have to repair the link because it broke in transit through the list. A working link begins with http and ends with html. Scott Bonacker - Rogersville, MO -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of frankk12@verizon.net Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 8:14 AM To: Don Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] roving burglars looking for MGs? Don: Was looking forward to reading your article but it wouldn't open. I live in rural RI with a shop that has my 2 MGBs, Triumph Bonneville bike and Mazda Miata. I never locked it until now. Not long ago I had a problem with minor vandalism to my 1980 MGB LE that could have been major had I not discovered it. Someone loosened all the lug nuts on the RF wheel. When I went for a ride I heard this awful thud coming from the front suspension and assumed the worst, broken shock or spring or A arm so I slowly motored home and jacked the car up when I detected the wheel was barely hanging on to the wheel studs. There is now way this could have happened other than by a vandal since the car sits covered and I routinely check the wheels for tire pressure and lug nut torque. Cannot understand what someone would sneak into my shop and cause only that sort of damage but I have my suispicions. Love your part of the country. Raced my HP Sprite for many years at Sears Point. I still refer to it as Sears Point regardless of whatever new name it has these days. Frank Krajewski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don" To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 10:55 PM Subject: [Mgs] roving burglars looking for MGs? > On Monday night, or very early Tuesday morning, intruders came into > our yard and did some mischief. My MGs were in a garage, which was > closed but unlocked. Apparently they did not go into the garage at > all, so the MGs were not tampered with nor was anything taken from > inside the garage.. But, owner's manuals and keys were taken from > three of my Japanese cars; two of the cars were in a carport, and one > was outside. It's a mystery as to what they were up to, as valuables > were not taken, nor any of the cars taken. Perhaps they could not > drive a standard shift and that stopped 'em from taking a car. I do > live in a rural area, and until this happened, felt comfortable > leaving keys in cars, and door unlocked. > > Below is an email I got from my brother-in-law. You must read the > article that is linked in his email about a fellow back east who had a > hoarding habit, and the hoarding included MGs. My brother-in-law has > a great sense of humor, and he knows that at one time I had about > eight MGs in various states of repair or disrepair in my yard. > > Don Scott, Calistoga > 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. > Japanese cars > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------- > > Email from my brother-in-law: > > Subject: roving burglars looking for MGs? > To: Anne Scott , don > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="-1172831624-764119559-1359764264=:83630" > > Hi Anne & Don, > > I'm sorry to hear about the burglary. It doesn't sound as if they made > off with much of yours, and I'm grateful to hear that. > > Wouldn't you know it but I just came across this article about some > burglars who are targeting people with lots of MGs. (nothing in the > article about Miatas) They were in VT so unless it's a nationwide > ring, I doubt it's the same people. > > http://news.yahoo.com/looters-steal-200k-coins-hoarders-death-205449015.html > > From the photos in the article, do you recognize any of them? > > Danny _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 12:31:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF32942BA6 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 12:31:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp162.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp162.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.162]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D30A42B23 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 12:30:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp46.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D432CE82F8 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 14:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by smtp46.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: don-AT-napanet.net) with ESMTPSA id 70916E829D for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 14:25:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 11:24:27 -0800 To: mgs@autox.team.net From: Don Subject: [Mgs] link fixed: roving burglars looking for MGs? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I received some replies that the article could not be accessed from the link I sent, so please try this. It is an interesting story. Would not be apropos to our hobby, except for this: "Radkin was inclined to acquire stuff whether he needed it or not. At one point he had five or six MGs, none of them running." http://news.yahoo.com/looters-steal-200k-coins-hoarders-death-205449015.html _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 4 19:47:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868CF40435 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 19:47:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc4-s24.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc4-s24.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778F340425 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 19:47:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY157-W60 ([65.54.190.199]) by bay0-omc4-s24.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:42:02 -0800 From: James Schulte To: Magnette ZAZB , "Mgs@autox.team.net" , MG Club Philadelphia Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 21:42:02 -0500 FILETIME=[60DECB00:01CE034A] Subject: [Mgs] Our 58 Magnette ZB will be for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Gang, I hate to do this, especially with all that was done with the help of Ed Sweeney and Ron Cobb (God rest his soul) but, I will be offering our 58 Mganette ZB for sale very soon. I want to finish a few minor tasks before taking pictures and putting it in Hemmings. Those that have seen the car know it is an excellent 3 of 4 on the Haggerty Insurance scale. It had won several regional shows in Florida before I purchased it from Ron Cobb of Deltona, Florida back in Spring of 2009. Since that purchase, it has won local shows, won it's category at MG 2010 and taken 3rd at GT 37. It has a 4.1 rear*, 67 MGB engine at .0030 over with the original Magnette cam that kicks in at 3000 rpm's*, remote oil cooler*, fog and driving lamps*, uprated radiator*, brake booster*, switched to negative ground*, new wire harness*, cassette radio*, painted Steel Blue with black leather seats trimmed in white and dark brown rugs* We have tried to keep it's integrity intact but add some upgrades. Ed Sweeney was able to do the stator tube with TR 3 parts, add his steering rack bushings, fix the speedometer cable, added Jason Green brackets which allowed for the disc brakes to be installed, add a 4th seat belt, a proper choke, and balanced the wobbling drive shaft, new back seat leather cushion by a local shop, Pete Cosmiddes adjusted the carbs, Earlington Transmissions rebuilt the T 35 BW auto 3 speed tranny, I am having the original SU fuel pump rebuilt by SUfuelpumps@donobi.net, new tires+, new battery+, BGT wipers+ What does it need: wiper motor cleaned and lubed, The heater box needs to be put back in and the fuel gauge needs to read more accurately, a speedometer remote drive to coordinate the 4.1 rear with the speedometer/odometer. I am looking for $13,999.99 That will include a new windshield w/ rubber, spare bonnet, grill, door, bumper, original MC and drum brakes (new cylinders), and many original and new parts in boxes such as a set of trafficators along with parts manuals, Heritage Certificate beautiful quilt style car cover etc. I also have a line on a Merkur 5 speed tranny if some one is interested but will not reveal that info until after the car is sold. (-; We plan to attend GT 38 unless Jeanne is sold before hand. Pre-sale questions and offers welcome, Jim Harleysville, PA 215-802-1974 cell Done by Ron Cobb in 20003-2004* Done by me 2009-20012+ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 5 17:39:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797F740422 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2013 17:39:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (unknown [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C384006E for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2013 17:24:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.128.143.54]) by hrndva-qmta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20130205184752604.ZRCD20958@hrndva-qmta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2013 18:47:52 +0000 a=lhzjHvhFOtE85cIfkoi74Q==:17 a=NCiGbDfFPjgA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=8MJczlkpHyBWKRBmYVYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=lhzjHvhFOtE85cIfkoi74Q==:117 Received: from [70.125.54.145] ([70.125.54.145:51089] helo=[172.16.0.8]) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id C9/03-27917-E5351115; Tue, 05 Feb 2013 18:45:51 +0000 From: "W. David Houser" Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 13:45:49 -0500 To: MGList List Subject: [Mgs] Hello? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Is this working? Dave Houser _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 5 18:16:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D7C14052D for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2013 18:16:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.francomm.com (mail.francomm.com [208.78.32.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FB540437 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2013 17:49:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from sunnyta (66-109-47-238.dialup.francomm.com [66.109.47.238]) by mail.francomm.com with SMTP; Tue, 5 Feb 2013 19:43:34 -0500 To: "MGList List" , "W. David Houser" References: <5A57083F-901F-435B-9B13-8730158A7D68@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 19:42:45 -0500 From: "P. Chast" User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.11 (Win32) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hello? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net No! Definitely Not. On Tue, 05 Feb 2013 13:45:49 -0500, W. David Houser wrote: > Is this working? > Dave Houser > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/pchast@francomm.com -- Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 5 18:49:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5FD40E22 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2013 18:49:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8A04052E for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2013 18:33:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B4DCA0ABC for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2013 18:29:34 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 18:29:33 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:18.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/18.0 SeaMonkey/2.15.1 To: MGList List References: <5A57083F-901F-435B-9B13-8730158A7D68@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hello? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net There was about a 7 - 8 hour outage of the network today, seems to be back to normal. mjb. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 5 21:01:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20BD4407AC for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2013 21:01:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm6-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6EEC540437 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2013 20:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.59] by nm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2013 03:27:38 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.208] by tm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2013 03:27:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2013 03:27:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 58953 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2013 03:27:38 -0000 s=s1024; t=1360121258; bh=w2SycgVmEmWXfJ3qK98IrX71BrA7VwyaI1jynD9wFWk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Nmzfx2HWFHYUbZb1IB+88cZCe+qnuUFrrpssbwoCMjDdrB9n7/ja5yKtyadJYTHpKxn4HJ9Uc+7OOQpJo0B89pSbY8G6lcXJW6d+ztlzYzBzLm801GSKEKuvd/OmbeTERSjSikx6w6Ob4AWF9v7aJkiMcLP81KlISlO2qH3cvKs= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yxIa861s2U76Xn27GoofNLhmsldC1VELrK7Br4IBSo87uM3lkjJwor0MprcfC3QJYWSAjcF/VH34zHJr67sXAYFEZNBZj4XYOD5ZhkmjLb8nbTM1E4jM3a2PnSpsXSBqVuZoMiERoZz3LpjmnEh3mPsp2glzhr4XBKGlly0q+lg=; VVxgVmQuBQ8NYbVqsEYUtztTy37tySkZl7mj43FDqGFGCUnkDHyxcKZB9r.E pYio2tzwu4fMbaC2OhImSmM0nhUlgnxy_l4rIbKXbALroid9xX3fnuxsdLL5 Wz4OwJxxk.g4xjBSZjjXV3l1Z5uj7Pb_.w4MrUdnXmAxVt1kudGkYhnYHonR W4wHj5sf7Tf87b2v3ID_pmg2XcGlinSSlqIsnakSbru1GAtqn9oBgB3JDnWq S.YEGrAYC215hXboXRCFcv9k_7i6OTtoCJTvkyzydXevmRhKRKuCszYiQQ77 PWwy0_T1K83ks21HBvFl3gA.HK1BZk9COgD1LoTNkiLYW3pvGElQcRBmp1Z9 rCilq5Wl3e4k8YKX3gFezbnupxmbTEL50_mTzSGaABU4q3Vd2ldHoUWaLmBX PfpRM4TXD41n7MWlvfxs.GVXAJTwkFZCafcG8Dejtvxu.t6s45lcHcr5fZzb x1kba Received: from [98.125.237.80] by web163906.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Feb 2013 19:27:38 PST wqBGcm9tOiBNYXJrIEogQnJhZGFraXMgPG1hcmtAYnJhZGFraXMuY29tPgoKCj5UIGhlcmUgd2FzIGFib3V0IGEgNyAtIDggaG91ciBvdXRhZ2Ugb2YgdGhlIG5ldHdvcmsgdG9kYXksIHNlZW1zIHRvIGJlCj4gYmFjayB0byBub3JtYWwuCgpXaG8ncyBuZXR3b3JrPwEwAQEBAQ-- References: <5A57083F-901F-435B-9B13-8730158A7D68@tampabay.rr.com> <5111B1FD.9090006@bradakis.com> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 19:27:38 -0800 (PST) From: David Breneman To: MGList List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hello? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net From: Mark J Bradakis >T here was about a 7 - 8 hour outage of the network today, seems to be > back to normal. Who's network? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 6 07:49:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C2940400 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 07:49:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f177.google.com (mail-wi0-f177.google.com [209.85.212.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C17E403D9 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 07:39:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f177.google.com with SMTP id hm14so1625258wib.10 for ; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 06:33:51 -0800 (PST) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=wrCTJar2+guB0V88gYAXE0Jtam02rHicpGDS0qSyG6Y=; b=Q3XLAylx+7eb8kWSoShxL4MvU0obyjLgQxMhdGrMkiJKSnDK2TVLEYpy0Nnp4m2e3G fHFefJze98mkvnhKlPupWJq3hi4KkqO9Ar4c34O0DUPQtFwZjq1fa6CxDO9pUImQO7te 9c6yUIYbTWe8B/K5nv6L9tQF3nv5Ms1iuuhRyKyidLS+fLQD6u5OC5UvT04/R/rvlTqp Lc9Xqiv/MhX2IIUEduSpy4f+QCn+FX3XWhS3ygDbW3RiDvHd0m6lE/7H9yuW277PYyzy lL7Tn3QP3C0+8STvyrnHQXV0bfLMKs10rVvnXs6Eo00NQ0vg2Yy4DJOB1i8hhjEZh+72 CJ8g== kn6mr15297319wjb.18.1360161230303; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 06:33:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-3.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gz3sm3333307wib.2.2013.02.06.06.33.49 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Feb 2013 06:33:49 -0800 (PST) From: "PaulHunt73" To: , , "Barrie Robinson" References: Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 14:20:39 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net You enter your postcode into the box that initially contains the word 'postcode' and click 'Locate Address'. If it is a recognisable postcode it should list a series of house numbers for the street that postcode refers to. If you enter an incorrect or unrecognisable postcode it doesn't return any house numbers. I suspect it only recognises UK postcodes. They are only planned to be available in the rest of Europe sometime this year, North America is nowhere on the radar. If you want one I dare say I could get a couple and post them to you. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >I got a promo email for the new MG, info@mgmotor-news.co.uk, and I tried to >get a brochure but could not fathom out the form one has to fill out. >Nowhere did I see a place to enter ones a street and city address. There >was a "Locate Address" selection but it would not accept an address. Has >anyone else had this problem? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 6 09:21:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912A840401 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 09:21:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbag.wi.net (mailbag.wi.net [209.225.111.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9452403DD for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 09:13:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from 173-109-115-42.pools.spcsdns.net ([173.109.115.42] helo=[192.168.1.102]) by mailbag.wi.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1U37Xf-0007K4-8a for mgs@autox.team.net; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 10:08:11 -0600 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 10:08:10 -0600 From: dwoerpel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <148FA0738A58443E99D4519D68EB46E1@paul> Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Folks, When I click on the link Barrie gave it appears to be only an email address. Where does one see a form? Dave W. On 2/6/2013 9:11 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > I don't think it's that unreasonable given that it's not available > outside the UK. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barrie Robinson" > To: "PaulHunt73" ; > ; > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 2:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION > > >> >> Paul, >> >> I thought it was only the blokes in the USA who believe that the >> Internet only covers them and not the rest of the world - But no! It >> could be that the UK has their heads in the sand too. This is typical >> UK marketing of which I have quite a bit of experience. >> >> >> >> At 02:20 PM 06/02/2013 +0000, PaulHunt73 wrote: >>> You enter your postcode into the box that initially contains the >>> word 'postcode' and click 'Locate Address'. If it is a recognisable >>> postcode it should list a series of house numbers for the street >>> that postcode refers to. If you enter an incorrect or >>> unrecognisable postcode it doesn't return any house numbers. I >>> suspect it only recognises UK postcodes. They are only planned to >>> be available in the rest of Europe sometime this year, North America >>> is nowhere on the radar. If you want one I dare say I could get a >>> couple and post them to you. >>> >>> PaulH. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> I got a promo email for the new MG, info@mgmotor-news.co.uk, and I >>>> tried to get a brochure but could not fathom out the form one has >>>> to fill out. Nowhere did I see a place to enter ones a street and >>>> city address. There was a "Locate Address" selection but it would >>>> not accept an address. Has anyone else had this problem? >> >> Regards >> >> Barrie >> barrie@look.ca >> 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 6 09:22:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4CF4055D for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 09:22:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm11-vm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.184]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B093F403DE for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 09:15:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.94.237.199] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2013 16:09:43 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.49] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2013 16:09:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp102.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2013 16:09:43 -0000 s=s1024; t=1360166983; bh=opUBs7u7+jFRAsyOrjW09ngYOIAMFIF2jg6LZ+m47L0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hGQ7ZSNteBep/cc23+c3FS5hTpQtMWoJKLtUXspEs6EusiwN/DOqhhfVO6N76PUvXOCmx5EcMG7SoISgMspug2DnPhzN9vd/nm6xIPfcL8dkXDbS+cIrnIOb6YiXzU75pWp6CSY3PsGvDdQc1xfhJKA6sAAgTko4aUNqHjNGLeI= 3K2z_EtbGrcz3wDAupxPNbvFWfrcDSxl2vb7ZgyWQTs5n70F2uAmfTj6B9HP rjnFZqyXysUNK8R1znR_kLS5JHLVHFRoHhOsFw_pKlCL7RoE1V3Q8mbDU_hL EMRR01jDbMEfftDCUamXNUh0EPg8YnMwPSLkz3VJjr91H9dRfiqt5emTTGH6 _hBl0ESj2GvTrG0gzmR__qT9qQzvkZ7a6ZSCcdsuEcvxn8RjqXWre7iHZbrG OsUfriagCxyWzkvAJWm2Fr4V8IdS7.ywoTXH_T6baV_CJoo6V56QJoCVmzL1 4nXThFqZZanXhTshQqPlF9XMZ8rZ2c49OEEKuWRrG_RLhVE.eAw8uNgsi05v oX6j6YW4op3mGXZ6W2mFKYJ.UYssNqhOAHfKvGf5YZqypT1YhM4jV0UpAP3n HCaBRtDSrCp.wJXK_znbAqtpw Received: from [127.0.0.1] (chillmog@99.9.234.42 with plain) by smtp102.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 Feb 2013 08:09:43 -0800 PST Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 10:09:40 -0600 From: Charles Hill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <148FA0738A58443E99D4519D68EB46E1@paul> Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Reasonable but short-sighted. A more proactive site would have prominent disclaimer that it was for the UK only and offer customers from other areas a opportunity to register their interest. Charles Hill On 2/6/2013 9:11 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > I don't think it's that unreasonable given that it's not available > outside the UK. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barrie Robinson" > To: "PaulHunt73" ; > ; > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 2:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION > > >> >> Paul, >> >> I thought it was only the blokes in the USA who believe that the >> Internet only covers them and not the rest of the world - But no! It >> could be that the UK has their heads in the sand too. This is typical >> UK marketing of which I have quite a bit of experience. >> >> >> >> At 02:20 PM 06/02/2013 +0000, PaulHunt73 wrote: >>> You enter your postcode into the box that initially contains the >>> word 'postcode' and click 'Locate Address'. If it is a recognisable >>> postcode it should list a series of house numbers for the street >>> that postcode refers to. If you enter an incorrect or >>> unrecognisable postcode it doesn't return any house numbers. I >>> suspect it only recognises UK postcodes. They are only planned to >>> be available in the rest of Europe sometime this year, North America >>> is nowhere on the radar. If you want one I dare say I could get a >>> couple and post them to you. >>> >>> PaulH. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> I got a promo email for the new MG, info@mgmotor-news.co.uk, and I >>>> tried to get a brochure but could not fathom out the form one has >>>> to fill out. Nowhere did I see a place to enter ones a street and >>>> city address. There was a "Locate Address" selection but it would >>>> not accept an address. Has anyone else had this problem? >> >> Regards >> >> Barrie >> barrie@look.ca >> 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 6 10:07:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE8B403EE for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 10:07:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f52.google.com (mail-wg0-f52.google.com [74.125.82.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24112403E0 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 09:56:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f52.google.com with SMTP id 12so1237423wgh.31 for ; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 08:51:06 -0800 (PST) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=FQPf0ns4QShjQEI5S0dLEm4R/NB9lwP2ChNfiq+JyJA=; b=YpWGcJMLBN+oCutmbEZyzHrC4zfyBNOmQh2hRyFV8NgT+/MD0UNk0BhagnQCXfM6IL UauTHI3fW8JG9XGalG9Obi1GOW6wTqv0wScVnJStpRGFzubrL5PwnJwmOdyZjizegFts 2kqX0P7KaDZBek3JMpSfCQHUygGmzJjegRe5BRyQocegLXzGhmM0FiDE+RdOAXKyQYU+ hApUIWUpbZIvYrkKK3vfc+AwT/vf4ejMLKVrOJJ/ioS8JuQJ0KAhq1/hvqdZxWoj3neo nEY8UkjlJktULoKSbdpBuMTwR0ehhghHP6Ce0ydS/6uZIH40BEn+MS5/mOSaJFYU2kC+ 3npA== t3mr6445972wiy.2.1360169466639; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 08:51:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-3.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b10sm4029742wix.7.2013.02.06.08.51.05 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Feb 2013 08:51:05 -0800 (PST) From: "PaulHunt73" To: References: <148FA0738A58443E99D4519D68EB46E1@paul> <51128044.4020507@sbcglobal.net> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 16:47:41 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, right, just like American sites do ... ----- Original Message ----- > Reasonable but short-sighted. A more proactive site would have > prominent disclaimer that it was for the UK only and offer customers > from other areas a opportunity to register their interest. >>> >>> I thought it was only the blokes in the USA who believe that the >>> Internet only covers them and not the rest of the world - _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 6 10:07:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8602B403EE for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 10:07:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f48.google.com (mail-wg0-f48.google.com [74.125.82.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F65403E9 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 09:56:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f48.google.com with SMTP id 16so1244618wgi.3 for ; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 08:51:07 -0800 (PST) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=znXTCz6o8fheN18Aqu4ZqcNxJO6h3/MJ5pV8J7QfVpk=; b=Em84hdotorPaTJzrgoeV5S0P2bGL2ZgRd6CLAOs6/Y4VDVhe6Ou56Q/18Cw4SltE4j Qhge4Mu1rxEbelWjrsA8o9+j5cQS+TQx/KaFV5wXJSkATu6h4wlL9+1X5VsnDW8/x8JH sdbUUMvEo9dNcjUVEkP9yaOVlReutLZ7NlDHpg3gDrz0DWDCBt62ehsd5HQ61QH8Zlgd b21sPvqTD7Ecp1KTUsW771bk2wUR2B8YL477uaKij/4HVkxatoZgja7y/NH89wRa1jZs iR0byJiou5Z0mcXdM+QofjtsOrKXsOjaGv+CJM3AhP6amCKfUMt7zettUgQ/lSXn2xfD IVcg== r2mr6325891wia.28.1360169467514; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 08:51:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-3.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b10sm4029742wix.7.2013.02.06.08.51.06 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Feb 2013 08:51:07 -0800 (PST) From: "PaulHunt73" To: References: <148FA0738A58443E99D4519D68EB46E1@paul> <51127FEA.4000604@wi.net> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 16:51:11 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Barrie said he got an email. Presumably from that address. Which probably had a link to a web page on the 'MG Motor UK Ltd' web site. ----- Original Message ----- > When I click on the link Barrie gave it appears to be only an email > address. Where does one see a form? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 6 10:08:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A52403FA for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 10:08:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from gamma.look.ca (gamma.look.ca [216.66.192.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F885403DD; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 10:06:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from e120-pool-d89a4db2.brdbnd.telnetcommunications.com ([216.154.77.178] helo=tower.look.ca) by gamma.look.ca with esmtpa (user vectis@look.ca)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1U38Mw-0005pG-EA; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 12:01:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 11:58:28 -0500 To: "PaulHunt73" ,, From: Barrie Robinson References: <148FA0738A58443E99D4519D68EB46E1@paul> Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Paul, With todays diarrhea of messages I cannot find the time to wade through all the text of messages. I blow out the "Nigerian" emails telling me that some "Agency" has found that I am owed gobs of cash but worry that I may blow away legitimate messages for I do do some stuff in offshore counties. Some blasters of messages think people have nothing better to do than read all their stuff. How am I expected to know that the MG will not be available in North America - which one would think would be a prime market !! Using common sense and a knowledge of the world of www and emails, it would seem prudent of the MG whiz kids to put a prominent notice which said "Available in the UK only". At 03:11 PM 2/6/2013 +0000, PaulHunt73 wrote: >I don't think it's that unreasonable given that it's not available >outside the UK. > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Barrie Robinson" >To: "PaulHunt73" ; >; >Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 2:46 PM >Subject: Re: [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION > > >> >>Paul, >> >>I thought it was only the blokes in the USA who believe that the >>Internet only covers them and not the rest of the world - But >>no! It could be that the UK has their heads in the sand >>too. This is typical UK marketing of which I have quite a bit of experience. >> >> >> >>At 02:20 PM 06/02/2013 +0000, PaulHunt73 wrote: >>>You enter your postcode into the box that initially contains the >>>word 'postcode' and click 'Locate Address'. If it is a >>>recognisable postcode it should list a series of house numbers for >>>the street that postcode refers to. If you enter an incorrect or >>>unrecognisable postcode it doesn't return any house numbers. I >>>suspect it only recognises UK postcodes. They are only planned to >>>be available in the rest of Europe sometime this year, North >>>America is nowhere on the radar. If you want one I dare say I >>>could get a couple and post them to you. >>> >>>PaulH. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>I got a promo email for the new MG, info@mgmotor-news.co.uk, and >>>>I tried to get a brochure but could not fathom out the form one >>>>has to fill out. Nowhere did I see a place to enter ones a street >>>>and city address. There was a "Locate Address" selection but it >>>>would not accept an address. Has anyone else had this problem? >> >>Regards >> >>Barrie >>barrie@look.ca >>705-721-9060 Regards Barrie barrie@look.ca 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 6 10:40:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF24403DE for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 10:40:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from alpha.look.ca (alpha.look.ca [216.66.192.2]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204F84039F for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2013 10:40:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from e120-pool-d89a4db2.brdbnd.telnetcommunications.com ([216.154.77.178] helo=tower.look.ca) by alpha.look.ca with esmtpa (user vectis@look.ca)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1U38tm-0006el-1N; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 12:35:06 -0500 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 12:34:25 -0500 To: "PaulHunt73" , From: Barrie Robinson References: <148FA0738A58443E99D4519D68EB46E1@paul> <51128044.4020507@sbcglobal.net> <48425B6B73014EE5A16BBDE3F4CC1F74@paul> Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Paul, I look at hundreds of sites a week because I am into rowing, and parts for Astons. It is amazing how bad some sites are. One college rowing club pleaded for a coach for a season. I was sort of interested as accommodation, food and small living expenses was offered. I toyed with the idea as my wife and I could have enjoyed a sort of holiday - taking the MGB GT V8 there.. But there was no email address or postal address given. So I had no idea where it was and I certainly was not going to search for the place. I did critique web sites professionally for while so I am a bit testy on this sort of stuff. At 04:47 PM 2/6/2013 +0000, PaulHunt73 wrote: >Yes, right, just like American sites do ... > >----- Original Message ----- >>Reasonable but short-sighted. A more proactive site would have >>prominent disclaimer that it was for the UK only and offer >>customers from other areas a opportunity to register their interest. >>>> >>>>I thought it was only the blokes in the USA who believe that the >>>>Internet only covers them and not the rest of the world - >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca Regards Barrie barrie@look.ca 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 15:03:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB794051C for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 15:03:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s16.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s16.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.91]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474BD403FF; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 15:02:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from SNT124-W37 ([65.55.90.72]) by snt0-omc2-s16.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:57:08 -0800 From: Mike E To: , , , Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:57:07 -0500 References: , <148FA0738A58443E99D4519D68EB46E1@paul>, FILETIME=[BC832AC0:01CE08A2] Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net No, I think it's pretty much the whole English speaking world that thinks that. > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 09:46:13 -0500 > To: paulhunt73@virginmedia.com; mgb-v8@autox.team.net; mgs@autox.team.net > From: barrie@look.ca > Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION > > Paul, > > I thought it was only the blokes in the USA who believe that the > Internet only covers them and not the rest of the world - But no! It > could be that the UK has their heads in the sand too. This is > typical UK marketing of which I have quite a bit of experience. > > > > At 02:20 PM 06/02/2013 +0000, PaulHunt73 wrote: > >You enter your postcode into the box that initially contains the > >word 'postcode' and click 'Locate Address'. If it is a recognisable > >postcode it should list a series of house numbers for the street > >that postcode refers to. If you enter an incorrect or > >unrecognisable postcode it doesn't return any house numbers. I > >suspect it only recognises UK postcodes. They are only planned to > >be available in the rest of Europe sometime this year, North America > >is nowhere on the radar. If you want one I dare say I could get a > >couple and post them to you. > > > >PaulH. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >>I got a promo email for the new MG, info@mgmotor-news.co.uk, and I > >>tried to get a brochure but could not fathom out the form one has > >>to fill out. Nowhere did I see a place to enter ones a street and > >>city address. There was a "Locate Address" selection but it would > >>not accept an address. Has anyone else had this problem? > > Regards > > Barrie > barrie@look.ca > 705-721-9060 > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/redscirocco@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 19:07:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF9040454 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:07:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96A64051B; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:06:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12EC8A1025; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:02:04 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:02:03 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:18.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/18.0 SeaMonkey/2.15.1 To: MG List , shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Mgs] Team.Net Notes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net One thing I have done to counteract the recent flurry of hijacked email addresses sending bad stuff through the the list is change the list settings for number of allowed recipients. Most of them include at least half a dozen or so addresses, maybe more, in each message as they go through the victim's address list. I've lowered the limit to 3. While this will stop a fair amount of the bad stuff from getting sent to the lists, it will also delay some legitimate messages. If folks send off nested replies with many recipients their mail will be held, waiting for me to approve it and send it on. I'll work on being more diligent about going through the pending admin requests [ 7,438 at the moment ] to separate the wheat from the chaff. And an advance notice - the annual fund drive will be coming up in a month or so, I will try and get all the forum and FTP issues resolved before asking for contributions. Never ending chores - I think I'll ask the man in charge for a raise! mjb. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 19:50:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9431040527 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:50:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.francomm.com (mail.francomm.com [208.78.32.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376C4403F0 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:49:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from sunnyta (66-109-47-223.dialup.francomm.com [66.109.47.223]) by mail.francomm.com with SMTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 21:43:50 -0500 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <5119A29B.2000300@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 21:41:44 -0500 From: "P. Chast" User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.11 (Win32) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Team.Net Notes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds like a reasonable precaution. Wish it were not necessary. Thanks for your hard work. Pete On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 21:02:03 -0500, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > One thing I have done to counteract the recent flurry of hijacked email > addresses > sending bad stuff through the the list is change the list settings for > number of > allowed recipients. Most of them include at least half a dozen or so > addresses, > maybe more, in each message as they go through the victim's address list. > > I've lowered the limit to 3. While this will stop a fair amount of the > bad stuff > from getting sent to the lists, it will also delay some legitimate > messages. > If folks send off nested replies with many recipients their mail will be > held, > waiting for me to approve it and send it on. I'll work on being more > diligent > about going through the pending admin requests [ 7,438 at the moment ] > to separate the wheat from the chaff. > > And an advance notice - the annual fund drive will be coming up in a > month or so, > I will try and get all the forum and FTP issues resolved before asking > for contributions. > Never ending chores - I think I'll ask the man in charge for a raise! > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/pchast@francomm.com -- Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 07:59:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B555A40E63 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 07:59:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f177.google.com (mail-we0-f177.google.com [74.125.82.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE6840526 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 07:59:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-we0-f177.google.com with SMTP id d7so2013960wer.22 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 06:53:13 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=T/nzkBlRmO6XX6P2fZJDVZGeYmqR8bPREfhl1c8JDRg=; b=Lc1ei9B2CFHhpmNJHw+xrA1Py6fFjCDC4+Nv6KjNuedn1qxY01UQ/IBkpm14ezwjvw D8q2k7HNWJMqtgEdpI388OI6ii8itEcgIDqzwTK0vLwRjMLNEo1c74d8sGARgtMaG98C 10swKUxFicHAaM8Uldiy6hGQl7PxuFif3P+Um+ccPqyAr8PwQ6PynXJLzTMnhRiUKvnR ynAIYUFFQfG3oBfd3rr9j4vzcaec8rsIFtuoSQKUCYpqNmLp4bNxnp91pBe0XEr4ytB9 MxtSxXgZc0+3qEtnT0DdHuSuhMgzg0DacRYVX5PHb6ZM5ELBS+wwV/fApmHUGG1GA2X8 q0Tg== ff2mr666274wib.0.1360853593830; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 06:53:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.123.72 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 06:52:53 -0800 (PST) From: Monte Jane Morris Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:52:53 -0600 To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Poor start Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi all, I've been lurking for years without a problem to research, but one has recently cropped up. For the past 8 years, our B sits idle 6-8 months per year. It usually starts right up after the fuel pump fills the bowls but this year is different. I had to crank and crank and it flooded. I waited until the next day and cranked for a while and then it started and ran fine. Yesterday, it was again hard to start but ran fine on the way to town. If you turn it off for a few minutes, it will start right up but if you let it set 10 minutes or more it requires cranking about 3 times for 15-20 seconds each. I don't notice the fuel pump clicking excessively when this happens (in fact, I don't notice it clicking at all but it probably shouldn't in this short amount of time). Once it starts, it runs fine both in town and on the highway. This B has always started right up with no excessive cranking. Any thoughts where I start looking? Thanks, Monte 1979B, de-smogged with HIF's, carbon canisters, and a points dizzy _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 08:18:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E986740E6B for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:18:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f42.google.com (mail-wg0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF3140418 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:17:58 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id 12so75617wgh.5 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 07:11:54 -0800 (PST) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=HE+MDR3s6M+xO/707/JGpvSF3H0CbDzfQcnpoFLJrpU=; b=griySns884cHkPBPAYIqb5jt4KUZyji1f3HKFRjd4bH0SQlD/iuDuIfGRBig64zgzH werra6KmniDWE9DxhR+RBHuuWZs/lZfQ9TKbguHyyPGPMJwACy/GqXB7OcRJN5evibxv U2eirv2D5a3RwEiEGNXrCdG84Bh0aM1XpGOA1wgQFkT01mHS1CzU0esByxbWf//yUFKh 3UZ+fiFEewTqokVYJIvBlxQ7iPdyxcWiNevvginnmvdF7NbunrG/JZFQUMUmBbm2iuR0 XcyBkUMi7HFlF1N+lzUkKoy6TSQN4ACyIIqKHZ+a0BwRZUoPJC9QrlcNyHL7H6xqmT3q Sz/Q== o3mr17987716wix.9.1360854714002; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 07:11:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-3.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id eo10sm52780008wib.9.2013.02.14.07.11.52 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 14 Feb 2013 07:11:53 -0800 (PST) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Monte Jane Morris" , References: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:07:07 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Poor start Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Once the carbs are full the pump shouldn't click more often than once every 30 secs, and in practice less frequently than that, until the engine starts and you start using fuel. Flooding it will use fuel of course, but cranking speed is much less than a cold-start fast-idle speed so usage will be correspondingly less. Condition of plugs, points? State of tune of ignition and carbs? Choke operation (possibly OK if it flooded)? Induction leak (possibly not ditto)? If the plugs are flooding it points to an ignition problem more than a fuel. If you have a timing light clip it onto the coil lead and each plug lead in turn and watch for regular flashing while cranking. While on 1 and 4 check that the timing is around 8 to 10 degrees BTDC. Note that if you have a 12v powered timing light the reduced voltage during cranking may not be enough to work the electronics, so you will have to power it from an alternative 12v battery, either a charged spare or another vehicle. If you have the old-fashioned orange neon 2-wire timing light this should work in any event. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > This B has always started right up with no excessive cranking. Any > thoughts > where I start looking? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 08:26:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4880640EB3 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:26:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f181.google.com (mail-ie0-f181.google.com [209.85.223.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE35240E6B for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:20:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 17so3408547iea.12 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 07:14:34 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=0uLUdjfempafJU76z5CBi66S4wGOvPa56BMXvRyq07o=; b=XciCIiOQgoV1jFrMoXiZX6Q9n757te0rTh/Dotyi7K/zbFHKntBSp4NCxS6exlcH3+ EFjgLBEAI62FBrfDisoUrv4Ki4i5PNaEgwtBwecG/JEF+V2tq/KofVkUlAXmB5MrK1I1 qaB0Z5EYrOPyG8od+nHSrsrrLtcEcUR9t1cGcyRRemp0anfBe6P8QQKWvXhBlpFWqHXa 8mDX0lG8McO3Gb7AXSC28qEQUOXShrwUE1M6gKw0fE9X+WTtNxWuFD0vhVompzjj3cPM slekVvpfRMLdknP+KQVm074A8M6l4radYT/RVNi9+oMbEG5J1kvjie8G4s2cYDdryon3 xHEw== ak5mr18163053igc.56.1360854874920; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 07:14:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.28.94.120] ([155.70.23.45]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id nh1sm25709143igc.4.2013.02.14.07.14.33 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 14 Feb 2013 07:14:34 -0800 (PST) References: From: Paul Root Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 09:14:32 -0600 To: Monte Jane Morris Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Poor start Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net It would be the usual diagnostics. Start at the coil and make sure you are getting spark to all cylinders. Put the timing light on each wire in turn. Check timing. Check continue of the points. Check the cap for cracks, etc. Check gas getting to the carbs. Check the needles move freely, choke is working, check for air leaks. Check the condition of the plugs and re-gap. Check the condition of the ignition relays. I had one burn out on me a couple of years ago, and I tore apart my whole ignition system looking for it, including pulling out a new dizzy that I thought may have been defective. They say 90% of fuel problems are ignition and 90% of ignition problems are fuel. I say 90% of my problems are things I "know" are "right". :-) Is Missouri clear enough to drive the MG? I'm jealous. Paul. Sent from my iPad On Feb 14, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Monte Jane Morris wrote: > Hi all, > I've been lurking for years without a problem to research, but one has > recently cropped up. > For the past 8 years, our B sits idle 6-8 months per year. It usually > starts right up after the fuel pump fills the bowls but this year is > different. > I had to crank and crank and it flooded. I waited until the next day and > cranked for a while and then it started and ran fine. Yesterday, it was > again hard to start but ran fine on the way to town. If you turn it off for > a few minutes, it will start right up but if you let it set 10 minutes or > more it requires cranking about 3 times for 15-20 seconds each. I don't > notice the fuel pump clicking excessively when this happens (in fact, I > don't notice it clicking at all but it probably shouldn't in this short > amount of time). Once it starts, it runs fine both in town and on the > highway. > This B has always started right up with no excessive cranking. Any thoughts > where I start looking? > Thanks, > Monte > > 1979B, de-smogged with HIF's, carbon canisters, and a points dizzy > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 08:32:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB10040EBA for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:32:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B7A5440E5F for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:31:55 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1360855551; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=BuoDUKHdlVytR3W9lW0DiAveZ7nTrxfRZrznhNnXzzS8e6o1/z2Ng6c/6Yybv7cEe qq++qnmMiG87Ua4rkVbuoHaeYSn23DIIre9gJR4iFabJd2jZU+bO4KaxT+G8qRfLu9 Rv7/Dw3/DmuObehXmicrnuUKpg42Qn5/9kA/AJNE= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.103]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJT4AR7AQ77SUS for (sender ); Thu, 14 Feb 2013 07:25:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:24:34 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:24:34 GMT To: montejane@gmail.com, mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Poor start Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Monte, First thing to check is ignition. After months of rest, there could be some corrosion on the points. Pull a piece of card or paper between them. That may suffice. More difficult to deal with is the possibility that the fuel has gone stale in the carb bowls. It will burn, but not as easily as when fresh. Engine may be difficult to start, but run more or less OK when warm. If you can get the car to drive well enough to burn off fuel in the tank and then buy new, that problem may go away. If you had H or HS carbs, I would suggest opening them and having a look inside the bowls, but one prefers to avoid doing that to HIFs.Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Monte Jane Morris To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Poor start Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:52:53 -0600 Hi all, I've been lurking for years without a problem to research, but one has recently cropped up. For the past 8 years, our B sits idle 6-8 months per year. It usually starts right up after the fuel pump fills the bowls but this year is different. I had to crank and crank and it flooded. I waited until the next day and cranked for a while and then it started and ran fine. Yesterday, it was again hard to start but ran fine on the way to town. If you turn it off for a few minutes, it will start right up but if you let it set 10 minutes or more it requires cranking about 3 times for 15-20 seconds each. I don't notice the fuel pump clicking excessively when this happens (in fact, I don't notice it clicking at all but it probably shouldn't in this short amount of time). Once it starts, it runs fine both in town and on the highway. This B has always started right up with no excessive cranking. Any thoughts where I start looking? Thanks, Monte 1979B, de-smogged with HIF's, carbon canisters, and a points dizzy _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 08:41:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB5F40EC3 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:41:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from relay01.pair.com (relay01.pair.com [209.68.5.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 80AE14041E for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:38:11 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 2800 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2013 15:32:07 -0000 Received: from 97.96.111.81 (HELO mullet) (97.96.111.81) by relay01.pair.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2013 15:32:07 -0000 From: "Stephen West-Fisher" To: References: <33B16130CD7843C1A3397E960FE327B0@paul> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:32:04 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4KxarCK+498+NVSt+E/vsNm+T4dgAAehZQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] Poor start Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net First thing I would verify is that the pump is acting correctly. Turn the key to ignition and verify the pump clicks for a bit and then stops. "A bit" can be very short if your fuel system is in really good shape. If you don't hear anything I'd check the ground inside the boot behind the license plate. If it clicks a lot and doesn't really stop (Paul's timing is correct) then check your carbs as you may have a sticking float or needle valve. This generally includes lots of fuel smell as well. -- Stephen West-Fisher N4IK -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of PaulHunt73 Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 10:07 AM To: Monte Jane Morris; mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Poor start Once the carbs are full the pump shouldn't click more often than once every 30 secs, and in practice less frequently than that, until the engine starts and you start using fuel. Flooding it will use fuel of course, but cranking speed is much less than a cold-start fast-idle speed so usage will be correspondingly less. Condition of plugs, points? State of tune of ignition and carbs? Choke operation (possibly OK if it flooded)? Induction leak (possibly not ditto)? If the plugs are flooding it points to an ignition problem more than a fuel. If you have a timing light clip it onto the coil lead and each plug lead in turn and watch for regular flashing while cranking. While on 1 and 4 check that the timing is around 8 to 10 degrees BTDC. Note that if you have a 12v powered timing light the reduced voltage during cranking may not be enough to work the electronics, so you will have to power it from an alternative 12v battery, either a charged spare or another vehicle. If you have the old-fashioned orange neon 2-wire timing light this should work in any event. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > This B has always started right up with no excessive cranking. Any > thoughts > where I start looking? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/steve@coastaldatasystems.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 08:59:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1681A40EE2 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:59:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f54.google.com (mail-wg0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17AC40E9C for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:58:52 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id fm10so1977041wgb.21 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 07:52:48 -0800 (PST) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=dbsRzSFuHZTNWL30ZVDlnBTKxTbSxNUszPr97KF9Jto=; b=kL4J60djOPUwYml/+X2bXNFoa9NA7QwLbLIxIlH9D4+1gJzom0eXmJJ6KVc/EoRzS4 j26L5qxo1qmUZt0zB1RnUp0XZFYjvzajybLdf/pGAiGJb0BB7aMS+4ibBEMB9YWjdmmq lXKP8cy6upTh96VY26fwgfIP7hn+VSBvF5wNOBOcqunhH0rMPYXdc/vlaqOdXS2KcUli ScpNpLjcb1tgh1GY6CLJFnM4kC/gQqM4WYveuQN70JAUahyPoOb5CBZwuLN0vRpfmOcf DUxzT1Oy9SfHusvv0Pyeqxb9ggiq45XTUnizf/ipmUGCccOgDMmCFna/A2xsE1X4QgjS 2YWA== Thu, 14 Feb 2013 07:52:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-3.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fx5sm82732wib.11.2013.02.14.07.52.44 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 14 Feb 2013 07:52:44 -0800 (PST) From: "PaulHunt73" To: References: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:45:13 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Poor start Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Think about it ... "I had to crank and crank and it flooded." "If you turn it off for a few minutes, it will start right up but if you let it set 10 minutes or more it requires cranking about 3 times for 15-20 seconds each." _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 12:35:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42C34225F for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:35:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm29.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm29.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.94]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E308403D7 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:35:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.94.237.196] by nm29.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2013 19:29:16 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.243] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2013 19:29:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2013 19:29:16 -0000 TBJUfymK1rzUIXHC_neTKR_Yn_JIYf67fqJUEfa9niIselgZ1nUoS7nbp0nE E_m2lIIctJwNGMePEXnz7L4PfOSMJaeKZpGDIkB88XVJ5X9N9HDa9mEnM24I 7pjcTQ4oZ_cr9qcYvdBvUkoac6PWvkbyJX5Pwlk9hgNpmwzFQwkSsg31foic kjUPpmjEqfT74k2547JnB1laDNIo9be4tKBFR3riCArv1.9w_ID18qKEXbop RXGgZawyJch5D1w4sdP0OVeI8zmfeTjQQX4oqQCZkvkVq7Ib_HbkDNi2GaMA tjn0lb.fDpaKpwB8_nOj4.1gJu1ZdyUCoEfnQRibnu0tUBcKYcA902ZEAL7I X4BmT14KszdKXommN0JHTO4V_Zlikk6r6UeUIFJSAuqP6KHydxU5HZZWeHKj KJrJUO_.lXA-- Received: from [192.168.1.65] (mike@99.74.35.122 with plain) by smtp114.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2013 11:29:16 -0800 PST From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:29:15 -0600 References: To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] startup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Bad gas or ethanol.... On Feb 14, 2013, at 1:00 PM, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > I've been lurking for years without a problem to research, but one has > recently cropped up. > For the past 8 years, our B sits idle 6-8 months per year. It usually > starts right up after the fuel pump fills the bowls but this year is > different. > I had to crank and crank and it flooded. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 15:36:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64B540E33 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:36:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DD86403D7 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:31:47 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1360880742; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=SSqAbKqjG/AToKkf34LUYcJU3imw3PvqmQnMMZVVrM5ZcwYxVqFRepNB7p4MJrncj wlGKmATWMNdnWzo81/QQtAXvA5TAydZndcjJ0eAsb4am+vl6TniC45tcMrNFtnncet 87NJE1KQNpYHzze5IjAo/Z6Q7bfIz+gFvndzAxI8= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.102]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJT43CLAKVY7UA for (sender ); Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:25:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:24:07 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:24:07 GMT To: mg-t@autox.team.net, mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] TD questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I am taking my TD apart for painting. Wings, running, boards, bonnet, radiator, spare tire bracket, fuel tank and all off the car now, and floorboards will come out as soon as garage temperature rises a bit. So far, everything but the running boards has come apart easily. Those bolts were rusted into the wood, and required gentle coaxing over time to remove. I double-nutted the threaded end, then used a wrench on each end to gently work them loose. Over a period of two weeks, not one of the penetrants used soaked more than 1/8" down the bolts and into the wood. All the other fasteners are in good order. I plan to zinc plate them with the Caswell electroplating chemicals. Door fit is excellent, and I don't want to mess with it, but would like to remove doors for painting. Question: can the hinge pins be pressed up and out? If they can't be pressed out, interior panels must come out. Panels are original, but look pretty good. The hidem is sure to be destroyed, though. Question: is there a source of hidem? We have long thought that Rexine was unavailable. It turns out that it is still made, apparently in India and China, and is marketed for car upholstery. I wanted a piece to re-cover the dashboard. One supplier offered immediate shipment of "100 miles" of it. If I ordered from him, does anyone need 527,996 feet of the stuff? Bob _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 12:43:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB78F40445 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:43:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm12-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.126]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E05403E0 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:43:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2013 19:37:42 -0000 Received: from [67.195.14.111] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2013 19:37:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2013 19:37:42 -0000 kmTvZx_MlEaHCESP4dNexSTN_OKMROBygHh3Yq1jdBZQMrdlMR338gIBR6M1 BAoPBptsrQQpSNdR_9tMRM.k2pQyUojeNY0uaUJY3b.l21_VgRCE6rpaQQb3 Imx.wxThLGYnPRy9rRm_cR8I9Rml.q5ju8FnNS4HsRaNOs1hG_Z2qDIFswgB vgFm2zu1Cw.WF9s3q0p7EmJTK2CPGTuTiy.lonkYwxMXRnqI_8wBUhClLoPC kc4LucwpfJHo2EOd17ukY4kevJV1ZcrjktLXALMQQbpn4RkAfNVUbt.pT0PT b3kvkzy4.WkM2Q9BIppKbAdGKoazgTcKUgRGLJOKnLF8G8viQ9djnrGIYWy2 8N5FfqwtC4Qeg2c.P4DSh.t97Cco_ae2NORczYXq918_GkLPcekUo5K0UJRR eNrFDV3rizQ.wsMiUDsTFzqQTY.JQ9EUElqQhnvOmxntCgZ9cIk.je.mPIRL 3Yd9oSABM70Yng_DHWD0H6NcolgN4qLK7tXaeVH0YPf_mLTslujnS1BDTElK 0C97R Received: from [192.168.1.65] (mike@99.74.35.122 with plain) by smtp108.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2013 11:37:42 -0800 PST From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:37:39 -0600 References: To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] hinge pins Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On Feb 15, 2013, at 1:00 PM, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Question: can the hinge pins be pressed up > and out? No > If they can't be pressed out, interior panels must come out. Panels > are original, but look pretty good. The hidem is sure to be destroyed, though. > Question: is there a source of hidem? http://www.mgbits.com/contents/en-uk/d279_Interior_TD_TF_04.html > We have long thought that Rexine was > unavailable. It turns out that it is still made, apparently in India and > China, and is marketed for car upholstery. I wanted a piece to re-cover the > dashboard. One supplier offered immediate shipment of "100 miles" of it. If I > ordered from him, does anyone need 527,996 feet of the stuff? Bob _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 16:13:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685BB4043E for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:13:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AFD5F403A5 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:09:32 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1360969401; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=hiM/NisY2J99pYKSSi2ny8vid3hZnrK1Pns+5gT4XqzPY/Je4VOZvGZqnND6jU8zz dnh+EiYtlHu/7cfaeYIUNX8Nk6h7D7+ND/mVrJ4NfANprbqdFDFAk/N4t2Fw1W9tEr 7GN3X+ln+dA+bJ0aIhtqqmegnWZqcP+2w7Lu+BGU= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.102]) by smtpout01.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJT7RXHANV5WWS for (sender ); Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:03:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 23:02:44 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 23:02:44 GMT To: mike@duvallvideo.com Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] hinge pins Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Mike, Thanks. I was expecting that the hinge pin answer would be no, but hopeful. Have you seen hidem frm MGBits? The material I have been able to locate is 3/4 inch wide, while that on my car is 1/2 inch. The hidem in the illustration appears to be wider than 1/2, though that may not be true. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Duvall Video Productions To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] hinge pins Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:37:39 -0600 On Feb 15, 2013, at 1:00 PM, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Question: can the hinge pins be pressed up > and out? No > If they can't be pressed out, interior panels must come out. Panels > are original, but look pretty good. The hidem is sure to be destroyed, though. > Question: is there a source of hidem? http://www.mgbits.com/contents/en-uk/d279_Interior_TD_TF_04.html > We have long thought that Rexine was > unavailable. It turns out that it is still made, apparently in India and > China, and is marketed for car upholstery. I wanted a piece to re-cover the > dashboard. One supplier offered immediate shipment of "100 miles" of it. If I > ordered from him, does anyone need 527,996 feet of the stuff? Bob _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 17 20:01:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A77940453 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 20:01:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A965D4040D for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 20:00:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from [172.16.1.3] (unknown [98.145.90.68]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8682E2EE for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 21:54:23 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Whiteman Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 18:54:21 -0800 To: " List" Subject: [Mgs] bad cam diagnosis Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Before I swapped it out, my MG had a terrible timing problem. It wasn't stable (it would bounce 10-20 degrees, the best I could do was "center" the very erratic timing). It had a corresponding unhealthy sound to it as well. I had replaced the timing chain and distributor with no effect. Replacing the motor of course worked brilliantly. Finally pulled it apart today, and discovered the distributor gear looks "a bit worn". http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronwhiteman/8484612220/ Anybody ever see a cam damaged like this? The old farmer that was helping me with the disassembly hadn't. The rest of the cam looks good to my untrained eye, as does the rest of the engine. ( http://flickr.com/gp/aaronwhiteman/0Rr24g for the curious ) -- Aaron _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 17 20:45:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39FFE4056D for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 20:45:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi162.prodigy.net (nlpi162.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 542AB4040D for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 20:43:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-99-135-88-231.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [99.135.88.231]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi162.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r1I3amdx016484; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 21:36:49 -0600 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 21:36:49 -0600 To: Aaron Whiteman , From: Barney Gaylord References: <38446C6A-651A-4822-92F9-EE457E765C36@panix.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] bad cam diagnosis Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Holy crap. It must have wiped out the dizzy drive gear and the oil pump drive gear in a similar manner. You're lucky it didn't lose oil pump drive before losing distributor drive, in which case it would destroy crankshaft and con rods. I have not personally seen this before, but apparently it happens occasionally. Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com At 06:54 PM 2/17/2013 -0800, Aaron Whiteman wrote: >Before I swapped it out, my MG had a terrible timing problem. It wasn't stable >(it would bounce 10-20 degrees, the best I could do was "center" the very >erratic timing). It had a corresponding unhealthy sound to it as well. > >I had replaced the timing chain and distributor with no effect. Replacing the >motor of course worked brilliantly. > >Finally pulled it apart today, and discovered the distributor gear looks "a >bit worn". >http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronwhiteman/8484612220/ > >Anybody ever see a cam damaged like this? The old farmer that was helping me >with the disassembly hadn't. > >The rest of the cam looks good to my untrained eye, as does the rest of the >engine. >( http://flickr.com/gp/aaronwhiteman/0Rr24g for the curious ) >.... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 17 20:47:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E2440687 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 20:47:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B814040515 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 20:47:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from [172.16.1.3] (unknown [98.145.90.68]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6512E127; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 22:40:47 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Whiteman Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 19:40:44 -0800 References: <38446C6A-651A-4822-92F9-EE457E765C36@panix.com> <201302180336.r1I3amdx016484@nlpi162.prodigy.net> To: Barney Gaylord Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] bad cam diagnosis Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On Feb 17, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Barney Gaylord wrote: > Holy crap. It must have wiped out the dizzy drive gear and the oil pump drive gear in a similar manner. You're lucky it didn't lose oil pump drive before losing distributor drive, in which case it would destroy crankshaft and con rods. Oddly, the dizzy and oil pump drive gears look ok. I'll replace them anyway, but only the cam shows any wear. I do consider myself to be pretty fortunate that (at least so far) this seems to be the only part with any kind of damage. -- Aaron _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 18 01:51:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6298240539 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 01:51:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f179.google.com (mail-we0-f179.google.com [74.125.82.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46EB4044D for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 01:49:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-we0-f179.google.com with SMTP id p43so2778092wea.10 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 00:43:09 -0800 (PST) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:cc:references:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=aKUT3luNQkmYzaqVX54f9NMy7yEthGl0/v4K+xHF4e0=; b=IkmFMS7tAOv37UbAjCsabQxM80rP9UDiTx0Ok8sJllfYWXZfe5uvoMv8YRZX6ex3qX APOJBW+6OrjJuY0UPLdUCL46b8a8vZQ3xU3Ensmsk1mLAJPWAl/BrAKLhXCmhGAT3kQz ZvSNEdLUfDSzD9a9DZEk5q94YHGb8+n44nug6EbOoq4LyV3rxHQkprZzkTKa13+1j25O UZwkt803BUWog45bywfoYsFqkZDGkyqqKEw/3gEz1hMmqbiVdhK1wlMCRessEOPFwVxE T6DUzZR1suK4XLKZyiUkH1NxSsv2y+9s1P0xzkEZnv/khD3wiwB0d9/pj9WkjW++98l3 ktEA== e4mr17097478wjw.44.1361176989806; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 00:43:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-3.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fx5sm20218496wib.11.2013.02.18.00.43.08 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 18 Feb 2013 00:43:08 -0800 (PST) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Aaron Whiteman" References: <38446C6A-651A-4822-92F9-EE457E765C36@panix.com><201302180336.r1I3amdx016484@nlpi162.prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 08:20:33 -0000 Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] bad cam diagnosis Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net In that case it could have been lack of hardening of the gear. I saw camshafts being made at Longbridge some 40 years ago. After a couple of bangs from a huge 'hammer' some 30 feet high it was dropped in a 'bin' that induction-heated the relevant bits to yellow hot in about 3 seconds, then chucked in a cage with hundreds of others. Cranks were even more impressive - three bangs to a plain billet and there you were. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Oddly, the dizzy and oil pump drive gears look ok. I'll replace them > anyway, > but only the cam shows any wear. I do consider myself to be pretty > fortunate > that (at least so far) this seems to be the only part with any kind of > damage. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 18 14:41:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B5E40561 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:41:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D53040540 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:41:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f182.google.com with SMTP id va7so5944064obc.41 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 13:35:00 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZgG08HwGFrCMX5rrggnMMB8OihwY4amwv8X5/u4LBJ4=; b=J/TCfi8vvyAoUvCbY6KbAAJIU16ATZfvivrjU126vuJw49yKiMSVLUXUDuPqmxnCAW 4ol4w5lWX/yMsKxpmQHzlJh4ucSV0wK3ZpM224hFRyvugEIioxvi5OYzKFxP17nM9TSM 6j3OTEQCosXN0uOsfnIuogTo0vdoqZDhhi6Fo5EcaUErDSYGQjXZWHg7og9pLM43a/eE L+St/kBIglCOXwZF0K/ogG80exBCzJxXLDpqrQyAHbqjvaXrDuhbWJKxcm8ktO7UBV0i 6mc3UmxNfNl5u05uXXYCd6ABtAircQvPLyIkRnTjxd8GJkcS9kmwBjainAQqHWJZC2q+ m63g== vk4mr6543134obb.70.1361223299929; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 13:34:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.144.163 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 13:34:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 13:34:59 -0800 From: Simon Matthews To: MGS Subject: [Mgs] Experiences with EBC "Greenstuff" pads? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I recently looked at the front pads on my daughter's '71 MGB-GT because the brakes were squealing. The pads are EBC Greenstuff V8 pads. When I looked at the pads on the driver's side, the surface of the pads was very rough. I haven't seen this on brake pads before and was wondering if this is an issue with the type of pads, or if this commonly happens? Simon _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 18 14:56:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD20B40571 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:56:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3266E40542 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:55:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457322E703; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by panix1.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20083) id 38BED14B8D; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E05614B7F; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:49:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:49:34 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Whiteman To: Barney Gaylord References: <38446C6A-651A-4822-92F9-EE457E765C36@panix.com> <201302180336.r1I3amdx016484@nlpi162.prodigy.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (NEB 1167 2008-08-23) Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] bad cam diagnosis Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On Feb 17, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Barney Gaylord wrote: > > Holy crap. It must have wiped out the dizzy drive gear and the oil > pump drive gear in a similar manner. You're lucky it didn't lose oil pump > drive before losing distributor drive, in which case it would destroy > crankshaft and con rods. > > I have not personally seen this before, but apparently it happens > occasionally. I took the cam to my local mechanic today. He was suitable horrified. But one of his guys asked me if there was an oil passage. The thinking was perhaps it wasn't getting oil to the gear, but the rest of the cam was being fed well. So of course google refers me to mgaguru (should have just started there). http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/of101.htm and http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/of101a.htm If my understanding is correct, the cam lobes and drive gear are lubricated by oil falling down through the head via the pushrod passages from the rocker arm assembly. But the second article notes an additional passage to feed the gear. How does that passage get fed? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 18 18:37:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A4A40646 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:37:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2155640567 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:34:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2013 01:28:26 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.200] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2013 01:28:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2013 01:28:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 31578 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Feb 2013 01:28:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1361237306; bh=MgMrL1oU3f+fcXA2ybKXY0OAMYeo4L6d5fjDz8yIjDs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=guUDmLemKcRYZsELDR5Wtwbmbk0518AbGX/RAEkKZawQ0qaCeAOZO4GVe7en3iBCXWgMI6n4we0vmvCN/rdH3dW3ZiCvq1dua2eX7+T4GPoU3hGG573mkWz1vTXPI+4vcwsxOscNS9pq2mFKCigzWFD4pcl1smsapl7GYY5cokQ= Xvh4SJouCO6ICBRaUenZXrw8o5S344.j2UM9UCGVBjc_.cc4SlOjNzrI6k1n H08IIohnQAL_cCIadkWFe5DD0LZC6cdjzL5VrKI31k8EBVYY_oHnefG_aDh_ DIFoODe6HP0FHT2f5XimwtTJzac5X5MTTnvZfL1JWs3tMYDwaq2K_R0bMUjY .tToo0FbxXkaHyT6A5yAlRN_8r0GnnprKPYicf.uxeLuHsRxaGXYjWxMRW.b Wn0YWY2vOmGSr4KbEynLed6I61FVjgJB7RV.n0PzQqU4c98fo9aU3DuTA.9C nxSr9QWBVwUqFiwLzxXjT.kVN8ShzV1yfJa6BhXhYlYN6aAJuSPFpaBq7GJO iPbpIWnHY3xdb0T0TFfR7OwJlFg4CjpNT9Ek2sckWDroTrY5AWPoHn_iwdow W6JShBxCUvCilDLpSyn_egBKjhWarG5VEeF5AQA.G37_yk9sKZMNEryoThqx VwrXqYMkBYo_su0t7QhLWh3bffiihHqNBjlWGbE5I_HMy7LAxbshYoO0bkaD 9uEC28qsOgg4mom14RakgtczhPcyyhFcCHamyZtX4cC9GbmL_4JKb38Zb Received: from [50.44.11.226] by web160406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:28:26 PST RG9lcyBpdCBnZXQgaXRzIG9pbCBmcm9tIG9uZSBvZiB0aGUgaG9sZXMgaW4gdGhlIGNhbSBiZWFyaW5nLiBJZiBub3QgaW5kZXhlZCBjb3JyZWN0bHkgb24gaW5zdGFsbGF0aW9uIC4uLm5vIG9pbCBmZWVkLg0KDQotLS0gT24gTW9uLCAyLzE4LzEzLCBBYXJvbiBXaGl0ZW1hbiA8YXdoaXRlbWFAcGFuaXguY29tPiB3cm90ZToNCg0KDQpGcm9tOiBBYXJvbiBXaGl0ZW1hbiA8YXdoaXRlbWFAcGFuaXguY29tPg0KU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFtNZ3NdIGJhZCBjYW0gZGlhZ25vc2lzDQpUbzogIkJhcm5leSBHYXlsb3IBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:28:26 -0800 (PST) From: "dkeeble@frontier.com" To: Barney Gaylord , Aaron Whiteman Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] bad cam diagnosis Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Does it get its oil from one of the holes in the cam bearing. If not indexed correctly on installation ...no oil feed. --- On Mon, 2/18/13, Aaron Whiteman wrote: From: Aaron Whiteman Subject: Re: [Mgs] bad cam diagnosis To: "Barney Gaylord" Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Monday, February 18, 2013, 3:49 PM On Feb 17, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Barney Gaylord wrote: > > Holy crap. It must have wiped out the dizzy drive gear and the oil > pump drive gear in a similar manner. You're lucky it didn't lose oil pump > drive before losing distributor drive, in which case it would destroy > crankshaft and con rods. > > I have not personally seen this before, but apparently it happens > occasionally. I took the cam to my local mechanic today. He was suitable horrified. But one of his guys asked me if there was an oil passage. The thinking was perhaps it wasn't getting oil to the gear, but the rest of the cam was being fed well. So of course google refers me to mgaguru (should have just started there). http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/of101.htm and http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/of101a.htm If my understanding is correct, the cam lobes and drive gear are lubricated by oil falling down through the head via the pushrod passages from the rocker arm assembly. But the second article notes an additional passage to feed the gear. How does that passage get fed? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dkeeble@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 19 04:41:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B904064C for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 04:41:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f180.google.com (mail-wi0-f180.google.com [209.85.212.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D9DC4040F for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 04:41:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f180.google.com with SMTP id hi8so4655738wib.1 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 03:35:10 -0800 (PST) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=NW2huDhVmlV4uDAV9j33AV6pyFqi0BYF4PcK5FQZkTc=; b=lYLGdnG6eRi/nZwC9CXCKIn+lGliGzwgysgw5tFEv2Dr+A3gPzQChikdV8NyH6RnwJ DR77VeVW4yUEqoZbHOr+k/D2zg3fFtkHwzIg+fzSsklDPghF3mpB/BRNIjIJhdgMN6AC yRJJSh1FvBRYvFXTmZ2+NppjYH2Oc7iRbi2EwKx+yP38UVBOMetfb+qfWCPA3GwVnkx2 b/Xjyy+F5+GBmhypG603u7mR129PKs6R42gfkCOG0fBiR4Fz+Sck8+BoHoxwEyT6ct9n NM3FffwoYMVZHcfTfMj06MMx5y/LgFdgDXJOmHl86NRU3eIn+wUXtnIxcYDoAePTrAjN B5uQ== d20mr26230911wiv.31.1361273710211; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 03:35:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-3.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n2sm25011389wiy.6.2013.02.19.03.35.08 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Feb 2013 03:35:09 -0800 (PST) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Simon Matthews" , "MGS" References: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:13:00 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Experiences with EBC "Greenstuff" pads? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net No experience myself but I have read recently that the composition changed and the new ones, like so many other things, are not as good as they were. Mixed opinions here http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=981045 based on which I wouldn't buy them especially for a standard road car. I've had squealing pads and shoes, a bigger problem on shoes as it happens. In the end in desperation I swapped them between the sides and since then it has been fine! A smear of copper grease on the backs of the pads and shims, and where they contact the calliper, is usually fine for the pads. I had a pair of pads on one side crumble when the calliper pistons stuck, changed the callipers, discs and pads in that case. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > The pads are EBC Greenstuff V8 pads. When I looked at the pads on the > driver's side, the surface of the pads was very rough. I haven't seen > this on brake pads before and was wondering if this is an issue with > the type of pads, or if this commonly happens? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 19 04:42:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD35140693 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 04:42:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f178.google.com (mail-we0-f178.google.com [74.125.82.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B274040F for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 04:41:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-we0-f178.google.com with SMTP id x48so5402713wey.23 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 03:35:11 -0800 (PST) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:cc:references:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=fCxpuURva0XVtja+zGxgi46QbQi+MmT9sEH7btG9wx0=; b=AdE6VxC/587vZvqhDFjKuXPdzHHDX+fA5h+1HEHm7gW+lU0eC3XUAf5BNwt8FNAyKR qE6yGBvtIlPgiYEEP7A/G8f9ygnoKkMebeMuLmPUpmkh3F8SJO6cGWwTpOMs+2TKpmI+ pVGjCtC1erdh6P/QmCmaQVMFycYJ+IZGMFw8CNKWqjM8TmzvkfbUDuwbksinSWIz9d9h pQYMwGHPtoWifNLDEgyPADlWa+ROcQMTm6To3ix5aLhMr77gmy1JqLrrOFZnR+H3nXxi zWsoYA+y0LAubyAeXZz8TODoIrr/Ig5RL2VeX/YweqZgXEx42tmy6o4hQpiHEX3F0CL2 g5fg== fp4mr24596394wib.1.1361273711542; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 03:35:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-3.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n2sm25011389wiy.6.2013.02.19.03.35.10 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Feb 2013 03:35:10 -0800 (PST) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Aaron Whiteman" References: <38446C6A-651A-4822-92F9-EE457E765C36@panix.com><201302180336.r1I3amdx016484@nlpi162.prodigy.net> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:14:38 -0000 Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] bad cam diagnosis Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wouldn't lack of oil have affected the gears as much as the cam? And if the rockers were all being lubricated there should be enough swilling round. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > But one of his guys asked me if there was an oil passage. The thinking > was perhaps it wasn't getting oil to the gear, but the rest of the cam > was being fed well. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 19 12:04:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 440D740E41 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 12:04:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi162.prodigy.net (nlpi162.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 131F040412 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 12:04:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-75-57-164-18.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [75.57.164.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi162.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r1JIwJi6023363; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 12:58:20 -0600 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 12:57:57 -0600 To: Aaron Whiteman From: Barney Gaylord References: <38446C6A-651A-4822-92F9-EE457E765C36@panix.com> <201302180336.r1I3amdx016484@nlpi162.prodigy.net> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] bad cam diagnosis Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net For the 3-main bearing engines the cam gear, dizzy drive gear and oil pump drive gear get oil by drain down from the head and by splash of oil escaping from the rod bearings. There is also an oil passage from the low pressure oil gallery to top end of the bore holding the spigot of the oil pump drive gear. A bit of oil escaping at bottom of this spigot bearing journal will dribble on the oil pump drive gear, and some of this oil will be transfered to the cam gear. The 5-main bearing engines have an additional drilling going at an angle downward from the cavity above the oil pump drive gear spigot to an escape point just above the cam gear. This supplies oil direcly onto the cam gear for supplimentary lubrication of the cam gear and the mating gears for oil pump drive and distributor drive. At 04:49 PM 2/18/2013 -0500, Aaron Whiteman wrote: >.... >I took the cam to my local mechanic today. He was suitable >horrified. But one of his guys asked me if there was an oil >passage. The thinking was perhaps it wasn't getting oil to the gear, >but the rest of the cam was being fed well. > >So of course google refers me to mgaguru (should have just started there). > > http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/of101.htm >and > http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/of101a.htm > >If my understanding is correct, the cam lobes and drive gear are >lubricated by oil falling down through the head via the pushrod >passages from the rocker arm assembly. But the second article notes >an additional passage to feed the gear. How does that passage get fed? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 23 05:59:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4FF40443 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 05:59:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm32-vm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm32-vm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.140]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B297403F5 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 05:59:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.152] by nm32.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2013 12:52:39 -0000 Received: from [76.13.13.230] by tm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2013 12:52:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2013 12:52:38 -0000 s=s1024; t=1361623958; bh=h/S1FwMDovnIQI9Xq7dOSYTEy6cfRPwSSrnOLJkgxVw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Received:Received:X-CMAE-Score:X-CMAE-Analysis:Date:Subject:Message-id:Importance:From:To:Reply-to:MIME-version:Content-type:User-Agent; b=XUx7bpsT1iDHLjtsc9j5Wh7VuzUpAb3UGukohwqKQGjrkjFWC53r7urgZTGfGWuo22uTRECyHJ9jil7v3KZg8BYf5YYxXjmYWn2nJhVZnjW2PbEbYJiZvcwJu5pcsw2feMwjSnJ4COu/G872cpAGOpmOGi0lPRXm9y1xhc5o5FQ= qgS86g_kwILzG8AgbTulAu3_YDFUud76ik6LufsFCOoUCTdYyARzTanPREQy 2QI0C2MT0XtQxtSis4JiNicwoCx.BQqRxGTzbOrOOBdkLaz0TCcIM6c3li1. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends,B Anyone interested in trading a T-series car or project (or similar) for my beautiful '69 R-R Silver Shadow? B I've always want a T-Series car and I must admit, I've tired a bit of the Rolls. -rick, in Houston Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 23 06:04:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F234043C for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 06:04:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.141]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F43403D9 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 06:04:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from ppp14-2-1-44.lns21.adl2.internode.on.net (HELO [192.168.178.40]) ([14.2.1.44]) by ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 23 Feb 2013 23:27:18 +1030 From: Eric Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 23:27:17 +1030 References: <315722258.5199004.1361623951769.JavaMail.webspher@njbbicssmp04> To: Rick Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Trade? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On 23/02/2013, at 11:22 PM, Rick wrote: > Hello Friends,B > > Anyone interested in trading a T-series car or project (or similar) for my beautiful '69 R-R Silver Shadow? B I've always want a T-Series car and I must admit, I've tired a bit of the Rolls. > Want my 'B? Eric _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 16:34:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CEC40516 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:34:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s25.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s25.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C9AC40329 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:32:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY157-W5 ([65.54.190.59]) by bay0-omc1-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:25:08 -0800 From: James Schulte To: MG Club Philadelphia , "Mgs@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:25:08 -0500 FILETIME=[59F472C0:01CE13AF] Subject: [Mgs] need 2 fenders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Folks, I am restoring a 1974.5 MGBGT. I need a good left and right front fender complete. I realize these are rare as Hens teeth so I am posting here to see if anyone might have a lead for one or both. I have a Heritage right front roadster fender worth 800.00 I like to use as a bargaining chip if anyone has what I need. The current fenders are bad at the bottom and in the light buckets. Patching these would cost more then it's worth. Can anyone help me out? Jim Harleysville, PA 1970 MGB driver 1958 MG Magnette restored for sale !974.5 MGBGT in restoration _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net