From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 1 09:31:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33C042A22 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 09:31:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961FC42923 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 09:21:35 -0600 (MDT) a=IZivwq3E2tMvPj/srkXMZg==:17 a=HizQC6xgECQA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=eSfX7QYh80QA:10 a=YFFJaV3uvKX_LaN_3ZEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PCd2rUMbyiUA:10 a=d7I_yD-p_wMA:10 a=IZivwq3E2tMvPj/srkXMZg==:117 Received: from [68.200.28.244] ([68.200.28.244:50510] helo=[172.16.0.7]) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id AF/F6-18705-DFC7AF15; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 15:21:34 +0000 From: "W. David Houser" Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 11:21:33 -0400 To: MGList List Subject: [Mgs] Cleaning black sidewalls Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Listers, The tires on my TD, A and B look great after treating them to Tire Dressing but after 3 months they are white with a dry waxy residue. What can I clean off this stuff with and what is the recommended dressing that will give a low sheen, not glistening finish that will not dry to white? TIA, _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 1 10:35:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1820F42A47 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 10:35:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f173.google.com (mail-ve0-f173.google.com [209.85.128.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8A442976; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 10:26:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f173.google.com with SMTP id cy12so2275886veb.32 for ; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 09:26:22 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/etO/TZS1nW0GvONl1udvFKl9I26fpQtb4Z/4M3aF2M=; b=F1KLhClMEeI/U9Q67jwK339JGz/Ilfu5LLicieO+SPmnRO5UOvMm3wGXnnkTFwx7JC TYyyKcOn4GBGttnBWuBWTg/0pPU+NncbuzxB3CqDn6W9iuVIrAgTEoPG/4vr/YTX6f6s um45lXKloR8oZNGoldyjmQbbq9p2kI6oqbGjwZJLmIJAbAOLZTIk6W9AfiEgPXzGTSTM pjtVT0Xg0vW/SnAJrMvc2EXlZgeYaU8GasaoZEbaujcW9ssfxKk6cS96aITfSoObVGAT 9KgaAD6ubU7xK8SMp78wXEiTFq+W1m8IKK1x07kXuAV62aOFiNxP6Oof02xJeJVkTYzH BjxQ== Thu, 01 Aug 2013 09:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.59.1.66 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 09:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 11:26:21 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mgs] Valve gear in my '53 TD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, Yesterday I posted links to a couple of pictures of my '53 TD's head and valve cover. What I didn't have at that time, was a picture of the valve gear. Now, here's a picture of the valve gear. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130801_105925.jpg In that picture you can just see the new locking tabs under the bolt heads. What isn't visible is just how clean the valves are, how well they lapped on their seats with minimal effort, and how smooth and 'new' fitting the valves are in their guides - including the one that was stuck! No lateral movement movement in the guides was observed. Also in that picture you can see the Bakelite thumb nuts, and a pair of washers for each post; one metal, one rubber, to function as a seal. When disassembling the valve gear, I discovered that two of the oil shields were incorrect. They were too short. Here's another look at them. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1376.JPG One of the two shields on the right, in this picture, was on the valve that stuck. Was that a source of the extra oil that flushed down the #2 valve stem? Possibly. The 'glue' that stuck the valve in the guide was gum, not carbon or burned oil. I suspect that the short oil shield allowed too much oil to seep between the stem and the guide - then the car sat unused for a decade or so. I suspect that the valve was sticking, worse and worse, until it finally stuck closed and the pushrod broke, probably on a start-up after setting. That's how Bill got the car and how I got it. Although not visible in the picture, there are two new, proper length oil shields installed. A new pushrod is in hand. The lifters are healthy, as are their boars. The cam lobes 'look' okay but I can only see some of the lobe crests. More on that when I know it. That's it. -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 1 12:37:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274ED4298B for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 12:37:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a24.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcbhh.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0714040C for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 12:29:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a24.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a24.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198022C808D for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 11:29:02 -0700 (PDT) :date:from:mime-version:to:subject:content-type; s=stclegal.com; bh=bXU9RVYJrqpAYwpX+nSL3P8Hd3w=; b=2VNtaHhOVxt6tzJsdof7icVe3n9R m2A3V0CBstQSLwu0pnltnr+/JtgNnC0gkwT0MSMEXVAkNTZKTKwzH9WMKbUjXmP6 F3Ri3IXA0SdlzaRiM+GGWIYsk18KuvnLb0WCLR5kJ4su+9rWOLP7BDaz9Q/IrH2S zge9E9nP8j8dlrE= Received: from [172.16.1.2] (79.sub-70-195-4.myvzw.com [70.195.4.79]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: guinness@stclegal.com) by homiemail-a24.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9EE962C8058 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 11:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 13:28:55 -0500 From: "Robert J. Guinness" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] MGA Timing cover bolt pattern Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone have a reference that shows what size bolts go into which of the timing cover holes? There seems to be three different sizes at issue. -- e-mail signature Robert Guinness _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 1 13:08:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BBA42A54 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 13:08:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.139]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F066142936 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 13:03:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.101.130] by nm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2013 19:03:09 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.198] by tm18.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2013 19:03:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1056.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2013 19:03:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 69209 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2013 19:03:09 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375383789; bh=8xBjgXAmhWsNIrVIVUAbadwSgSiZkHklhoUFwWvKGyY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DI7VLJMf5NsXfgQnChiPJOzdMwthcV+kyI5Wlh1bdDwbdyQQtE1U5+YVdvxT/f0oLSsalL9mBAUtTRU8kguSr5T56PgxPmpZSbPWgcHqCU6jJ/aJbMj0Sa3B1U0KDsHgNZwPULBCtT6POZeUl5JURzyi+0w0n2p4X5R/Pa568JA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yLsQJMbZgoJaexTOewprFzgjbIN78USBNuk5KJNAmXwinnzph2TYoDlgsf6rm/i7oPDH6iWpXB7oIPKUXJ3a1+BhX5mKn/kxxxQQyjH/i7Xq2SkOvKJnFQCjrpdPK3EOC7MyVKDwZv7I+4trfnQ8ZvpLxzPpkRpSssUz0Se4Jv0=; QxCyMp6QtL1PyhSag97VA6pDPHJkr.jOzq6mf17gZzwgXby8xqkr5t34XlTm 23dJGPTr8jdU9snOC8v2A9aj3qsHkLpfxM7bpNu1_M5qkaBSlIoKCyw2xPo6 bjXRR1tq7kDpIdzIvNRJfmCdlGbmNYZSPQ3RhOhvznubZQHWcXFmUkjWpMv_ 5tRNN_o0NyOC4KwxVlAYWiHM6MPnVUQPd7IdGhVeA_wCGe3JEOQIh63w0iqU qAccbh3RJo6fUp9B16wrSkySe4gRCRPNXN9KJHIfqnhjEtv.M2BsqZa1dqwK AirvlNmgMXgXRwblg_7meLKXqrvNdhtNqkj7h27yQo8Kxa41_BQV5DkcPwd7 kfq8sry17CImW_IcD6okDCSxZpYluUjHHl7DDF5h_h.j6x_4ZQzrC8fgTVEV Hh42FczwmRS49_Q9DbyEV4XCBTSMmT1vz5L1hKxv1NFRGqLhgQNoyu0lBDuJ S5t2kVlkAUiN1kHNrASbHmd1TlR_rWU7icOcbHNTioKktIOhMFG9_jxKAhwR WuR_39zGxwDJh Received: from [74.75.236.43] by web120706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 12:03:09 PDT SSB1c2UgV2VzdGxleXMgQmxlY2hlIFdoaXRlIHNwcmF5LiBTcHJheSBpdCBvbiBsaWJlcmFsbHkgdG8gYSBkcnkgdGlyZSwgYWdpdGF0ZSB3aXRoIGEgYnJ1c2ggYWZ0ZXIgYSBjb3VwbGUgbWludXRlcyByaW5zZSBvZmYgbGliZXJhbGx5LiBJdCB0ZW5kcyB0byByZXF1aXJlIGEgbG90IG9mIHdhdGVyIHRvIGdldCBhbGwgdGhlIHN1ZHMgb2ZmLiBXb3JrcyBWZXJ5IHdlbGwuIEl0IGlzIHNvbWV3aGF0IGNhdXN0aWMgc28ga2VlcCB0aGF0IGluIG1pbmQgb24gZXhwb3NlZCBza2luLiBJdCBjb21lIGluIGEgd2gBMAEBAQE- References: <70E53F57-A9DC-493F-BBE0-7A6DC2B1FBE6@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 12:03:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl French To: "W. David Houser" , MGList List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cleaning black sidewalls Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I use Westleys Bleche White spray. Spray it on liberally to a dry tire, agitate with a brush after a couple minutes rinse off liberally. It tends to require a lot of water to get all the suds off. Works Very well. It is somewhat caustic so keep that in mind on exposed skin. It come in a white spray bottle with red and blue graphics and is readily available at any car cleaning section. There are several low gloss rubber trim options available in every auto care department Good Luck Carl French ________________________________ From: W. David Houser To: MGList List Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 11:21 AM Subject: [Mgs] Cleaning black sidewalls Listers, The tires on my TD, A and B look great after treating them to Tire Dressing but after 3 months they are white with a dry waxy residue. What can I clean off this stuff with and what is the recommended dressing that will give a low sheen, not glistening finish that will not dry to white? TIA, _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/leylandauto@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 1 13:40:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0141142A49 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 13:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm42-vm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm42-vm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.190]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B983342936 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 13:28:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.153] by nm42.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2013 19:28:36 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.250] by tm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2013 19:28:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1059.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2013 19:28:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 71510 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2013 19:28:36 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375385316; bh=9ceOBJ5tN1MU+TjpE97qqMk3hpv06KkWdJ6OVwRjHJs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5JJFiPO6XOxPHgGZY+hwPDQ61L2oTW+K0CPOYek9RyIbJCSoyPSK37bJEOmBltH06mUhRt2MSD2U/9fKvbMK76Kq/Sijqqe2R3WLkARnJ2yZjAHeXKT9UMiUEtdyqU48XPJsJOP4PlQ3HTEbQJYipdjpJqZ9g1ZwaLBkNmW8dMo= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HNfozZTTY+FOSJGSvHa5sigrt6mYDF4yTmpLJQ/t3xeeeEeYliuPXz7OOhN7iLJ4Kk8vdUS5jI/k0/BfrDfwk4b6VGpGUXHn0nrGrtqIPmgkB/9YKQnZ29CQUUW0cdptlRhc/5h30KWt1ZF56pyX4v8L9Fii+njLa7pf6HPxHH8=; luEQsgpGCxukjnF45IYQkDtbop88D2_ejLV.hnybGvP8jQly17pJjOcuuofR zmpuYeW3am577Yb0RMz3odM3svGxmfvix1VLXcK4_F79PwjQ_5gqa2vAUWsM 8xe2.WEV8SI1R8Vw42JpJ4OS1.n4YsOkxKIdzNes4O3UNbFpQKEQQtn9.b4e v7uw9E5c3YbJGKaww80.kuc_X13nKfq2l.JebvGRLG4bu_IvEQb.IQWjJJUK XNu1C7kXERY0s1TR4PC7oYnJVcdOAj01ROkR1FWNoG1h.ZU6zzG0lrVcKZHf 3IZ76polYMEEw_eNGrPrrGKwdWBmSz5Zn.9eAvX4tBzdf0UFayJRtxGjjcBR 88Jc8h1rlWOWQW_5oFoCuP6B7V63LyvzxKx47IQhcx6dWYYnUtTXd5fwv9s5 dBTKYGu_RwuKsBTtg0yIchxNtA84TwJ2QClPzRku3QEENN4CTdKBu1JROA0U 1tZmmdduqeGGnbLjBQlwdmF3ejrAzy.rjXqf2UpuALCsgnM7mTAybSVOrL8Y 1fg5_.aumD13JOWt6nbjXS0hgYd176xAY Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 12:28:35 PDT SSBhY3R1YWxseSBzdG9wcGVkIHRyZWF0aW5nIG15IHRpcmVzIHdoZW4gSSBib3VnaHQgbmV3IG9uZXMgZm9yIHRoZSAnNzYgQiAoYXMgd2VsbCBhcyBteSBBdWRpIEE0KS4gSSBmb3VuZCB0aGF0IHVubGVzcyB5b3Uga2VwdCBhdAppdCBjb25zdGFudGx5LCB0aGUgdGlyZXMgdHVybmVkIHRoaXMgd2VpcmQgc2hhZGUgb2YgYnJvd24uIAoKRGFuIEQKJzc2IEIsICc2NSBCCkNlbnRyYWwgTkogVVNBCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIEZyb206IFcuIERhdmlkIEhvdXNlciA8bWdzNGQBMAEBAQE- References: <70E53F57-A9DC-493F-BBE0-7A6DC2B1FBE6@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 12:28:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: "W. David Houser" , MGList List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cleaning black sidewalls Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I actually stopped treating my tires when I bought new ones for the '76 B (as well as my Audi A4). I found that unless you kept at it constantly, the tires turned this weird shade of brown. Dan D '76 B, '65 B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: W. David Houser To: MGList List Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 11:21 AM Subject: [Mgs] Cleaning black sidewalls Listers, The tires on my TD, A and B look great after treating them to Tire Dressing but after 3 months they are white with a dry waxy residue. What can I clean off this stuff with and what is the recommended dressing that will give a low sheen, not glistening finish that will not dry to white? TIA, _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 1 16:44:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752E742A93 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 16:44:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED3B342808 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 16:39:09 -0600 (MDT) a=IZivwq3E2tMvPj/srkXMZg==:17 a=HizQC6xgECQA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=IArGUs2L1tYA:10 a=lodI12oWfYt3PWB0Y1sA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IZivwq3E2tMvPj/srkXMZg==:117 Received: from [68.200.28.244] ([68.200.28.244:51014] helo=[172.16.0.7]) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id F1/F9-02415-C83EAF15; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 22:39:08 +0000 From: "W. David Houser" Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:39:08 -0400 To: MGList List Subject: [Mgs] MGB vent window opener Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Listers, I'm always looking for ways to improve or modify the ways things work on my MG's: a TD, MGA Coupe and MGB-GT. For the TD, I made an aluminum storage box that fits under the TD storage area plywood to hold additional spares for the Circuit of Britain, an L shaped bracket to hold open the coupe vent window to maximize the airflow into the car and now I want to do the same for the BGT. The BGT doesn't have a screw on the door capping but there is a metal channel to which something can be placed to hold the vent window full open. I have the springed screw in the door as tight as I dare tighten it, but speed closes it down. My question: Has anyone thought of a way to do this or have I got to figure it out? Cheers, _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 1 20:23:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23B642A4B for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 20:23:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E757F4281C for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 20:11:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.174] by nm27.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2013 02:11:43 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.233] by tm13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2013 02:11:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1041.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2013 02:11:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 97558 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2013 02:11:43 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375409503; bh=7ykEVlWgmFm3AcKdqLfvGsrcA5s5qWd3hm1NzyGjdfc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ihb89Hwdqxi5Pa/r/gFlKRqjgbIDmK01qmZs3YR7vtpmJ0yBsjnggsh7KhNilT/ndrE/NOl31IfZvZlWU3HYjIXoBeFK+HWYx7f80nGvnOm2fVx1AeqNMa96ym/q6Nu5oUwhVIf2KrLTHLajyEObW0yxPNSIT0KO1idjDN+Ttbs= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YU0wFg/K4tPTM5oshKExs6UXqJvvX+JtPBMNMz6b78PU4KdWykrP6ZyDd0ot2/1ZFr49jwcNdhemJMb7vfz/7NMeOM7ZuLu2CtnFUgdawPox/9lUD4LJmiv5CF9f5miRYAcK0+H0ZJNkBt/kDnIqjtiV2UllNUwSCNloa9fg3vM=; Received: from [174.125.120.100] by web163905.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 19:11:43 PDT CgrCoEkndmUgZm91bmQgdGhhdCBTaW1wbGUgR3JlZW4gd29ya3Mgd2VsbCBmb3IgYm90aCBibGFjayBhbmQKd2hpdGUgc2lkZXdhbGxzLsKgIElmIHlvdSdyZSBpbiB0aGUgUGFjaWZpYyBOb3J0aHdlc3QsIHlvdQpjYW4gZ2V0IGEgYmFja3dhcmRzLWVuZ2luZWVyZWQgZXF1aXZhbGVudCwgIlB1cnBsZSBDbGVhbiIKYSBsb3QgY2hlYXBlciBmcm9tIFRhY29tYSBTY3JldyBQcm9kdWN0cy7CoCBXb3JrcyBqdXN0IGFzIHdlbGwuATABAQEB References: <70E53F57-A9DC-493F-BBE0-7A6DC2B1FBE6@tampabay.rr.com> <1375385315.70997.YahooMailNeo@web164904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 19:11:43 -0700 (PDT) From: David Breneman To: MGList List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cleaning black sidewalls Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I've found that Simple Green works well for both black and white sidewalls. If you're in the Pacific Northwest, you can get a backwards-engineered equivalent, "Purple Clean" a lot cheaper from Tacoma Screw Products. Works just as well. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 1 22:58:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C90F42A5F for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 22:58:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi176.prodigy.net (nlpi176.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AEFA427FA for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 22:55:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-75-57-184-75.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [75.57.184.75]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi176.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r724tD3D028391; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 23:55:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 23:55:44 -0500 To: "Robert J. Guinness" , MG List From: Barney Gaylord References: <51FAA8E7.7060801@stclegal.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA Timing cover bolt pattern Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I think it is impossible to install them out of place. The shortest 1/4 inch bolts (very short) go only into the engine front plate with tapped holes where there is nothing else benind it. The longer 1/4 inch bolts (2) go onto the two lowest holes where they screw into the front main bearing cap. The rest are larger thread size. HZS0403 1/4-28-UNFx3/8 (3) Front cover to mounting plate. HZS0406 1/4-28-UNFx3/4 (2) Front cover to main bearing cap. HZS0506 5/16-24-UNFx3/4 (4) Front cover to mounting plate and crankcase. At 01:28 PM 8/1/2013 -0500, Robert J. Guinness wrote: >Does anyone have a reference that shows what size bolts go into which of >the timing cover holes? There seems to be three different sizes at issue. >.... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 2 01:19:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE7D42837 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 01:19:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-11.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-11.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EECD42796 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 01:19:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-11-imp with bizsmtp id 7jKJ1m00H4LtS4201jKKHz; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 08:19:19 +0100 a=4XwrQ-WNIVsA:10 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=hV5davrSehwA:10 a=X6143KR05_bTMTijcmQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "W. David Houser" , "MGList List" References: <70E53F57-A9DC-493F-BBE0-7A6DC2B1FBE6@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 16:55:41 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cleaning black sidewalls Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I bought ArmorAll originally for the rubber bumpers on my V8, but didn't like it as it took loads of applications, but then went a chalky white over time. However it did bring the tyres up nicely, very black with virtually no shine. But then the effect wears off after about 50 miles, and I'm not a show person, so don't bother now, just give them a wash. The chrome wire wheels are another story, washed, wiped dry, polish applied, then buffed up, at an hour a wheel! That can last several hundred dry miles, and even then there is only a film of dry dust. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > The tires on my TD, A and B look great after treating them to Tire > Dressing > but after 3 months they are white with a dry waxy residue. > What can I clean off this stuff with and what is the recommended dressing > that > will give a low sheen, not glistening finish that will not dry to white? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 2 02:21:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8813C42A03 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 02:21:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-11.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-11.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0376427C8 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 02:19:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-11-imp with bizsmtp id 7kKq1m00K4LtS4201kKqUZ; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 09:19:50 +0100 a=dxUVl07PVoEA:10 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=k1phommLiXwA:10 a=4dLcjs01cHrQHny8jX0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "W. David Houser" , "MGList List" References: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 08:55:41 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB vent window opener Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The spring *should* be enough to hold the vent open. There is a brass tube on the pivot pin and this should be above the 1/4-light frame, i.e. in the vent seal. Under the 1/4-light frame i.e. in the door cavity there should be a washer, then the spring, then another washer, then the nut. Tightening the nut compresses the spring and should squeeze the 1/4-light frame between the brass tube and the washer above the spring, and this friction should be enough to hold the vent open. If some of these parts are missing or worn out it should be easy enough to remove the vent by undoing the nut under the spring, and checking/replacing parts. However if the brass tube has worn through the vent frame you will have to lift the vent seal and probably put a washer above as well. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > ... I have the springed screw in the door as > tight as I dare tighten it, but speed closes it down. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 2 08:00:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4E14290D for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 08:00:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from alpha.look.ca (alpha.look.ca [216.66.192.2]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96BF4282D for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 07:56:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e120-pool-d89a47c7.brdbnd.telnetcommunications.com ([216.154.71.199] helo=Barrie-PC.look.ca) by alpha.look.ca with esmtpa (user vectis@look.ca)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V5Fpq-0006o5-Gv; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 09:56:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2013 08:56:16 -0400 To: "W. David Houser" , MGList List From: Barrie Robinson References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB vent window opener Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net David, I have been toying with the same idea.. It seems that all one needs is a hook to the moveable vent and the other end a hook to the chromed divider/channel upright. I was going to take a photo but I have lost my small Canon Powershot camera and I cannot buy a new one - No cameras (except expensive SLRs) these days seem to have a sighting viewer just an LCD which are pretty useless (although the peasants like them). At 06:39 PM 01/08/2013 -0400, W. David Houser wrote: >Listers, >I'm always looking for ways to improve or modify the ways things work on my >MG's: a TD, MGA Coupe and MGB-GT. >For the TD, I made an aluminum storage box that fits under the TD storage area >plywood to hold additional spares for the Circuit of Britain, an L shaped >bracket to hold open the coupe vent window to maximize the airflow into the >car and now I want to do the same for the BGT. The BGT doesn't have a screw on >the door capping but there is a metal channel to which something can be placed >to hold the vent window full open. I have the springed screw in the door as >tight as I dare tighten it, but speed closes it down. My question: Has anyone >thought of a way to do this or have I got to figure it out? >Cheers, >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca Regards, Barrie Barrie Robinson MGB GT V8 in concours condition Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII under restoration www.AMFClub.com www.britcot.com www.vectisgroup.ca barrie@look.ca Barrie, Ontario 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 2 11:11:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF4B40510 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 11:11:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f53.google.com (mail-pa0-f53.google.com [209.85.220.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198B44069E for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 11:05:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id lb1so891741pab.12 for ; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 10:05:07 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=XuFI+hnGhzqInhgQrIt41ypRahMC0RUh4kq3AV50rxk=; b=ZtVVBlyI+CL8SBWGhvP2Ynh18aG9fQ6lmRZzSFH6rpzRkoMcqXn8jFzzfXc2keGYbC zw9zw4l1XS36J/63NMsC2E7gfn2n6vOeMkXttSSWWteQcU+4NdvyqNMVatN+SgvP+4Wf 15sM0SqVnfRZO5dfMm/bNRdUC1TFNQV+fUE7ZBwivaLt7le0BS52jH0kbsPYxNwCgQob D5ucTZtH56WxWWDTb0SzrXdWDeS2bvUXcHcD5HZZJFDC9hOd0BnnDJUQMJ8rLknavLC/ ndvIAlrV3smp+k6oq9p10Zjav/MJ5BwK+UsbdPJdP6gJwyIum3uCSMrS3tIBwbC+nzcQ oNzw== tx9mr11525106pac.166.1375463106957; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 10:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.122.131 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 10:04:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Monte Jane Morris Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 12:04:26 -0500 To: MG list Subject: [Mgs] carbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm finally getting around to trying to find the piece of "gunk" in the carbs (HIF's) that has been causing a very intermittent miss (it's been running fine for several weeks). I'll remove both carbs as an assembly using an attachment I made. Since the car is running great except for this, I really don't want to completely disassemble the carbs and have to readjust everything. So to remove the small particle do I have to do any more than remove the bottom cover and jet, clean both and spray some carb cleaner down the jet "pathway"? Thanks, Monte 79B, HIF converted _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 2 11:13:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F4D342AB3 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 11:13:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f43.google.com (mail-pa0-f43.google.com [209.85.220.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F01428AA for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 11:07:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id hz10so887454pad.16 for ; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 10:07:37 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=FrAck5hxSmEoqfj4zVPGV+qYiI3mOpo9E5H+poUydJA=; b=tTHpc1kRcXp/dHMzPMsOwZZmCRClFBJe2DYJlKqp4as4ftX3gmaE24MdYywwBmSaNc 8Esm+YE6VzOb80v1fmuB60u9bT2DWWwba6KZBAqounOqojzjuoBpUhSUuMB8Jo8tH/uY MdgDjYeFORrNe4cyuNvEgvljowKnptVVwxvUXq0ku6HOSeBirKzugwRE9l56oVjqgyuZ Luq5tSd3oYLQend94jx53S2VD32dzc7xej0t3H0hW6azWED9UEsGXM5CbLSjXimJ9Zgv HOlnU57ESSxdPKOKnOcIbf5SUBdpQQZEPkwYU2kAL3E+lQeJF0fNTNy+LPWKi6Z2jx+z PRTw== tx9mr11536685pac.166.1375463257694; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 10:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.122.131 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 10:06:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Monte Jane Morris Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 12:06:57 -0500 To: MG list Subject: [Mgs] carbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net And, of course, clean the needle valve and seat area. Will the carb burn small amounts of carb cleaner if I squirt down the seat area from above? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 2 11:43:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38EFB42A93 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 11:43:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mx2.netinteraction.com (mx2.netinteraction.com [174.143.201.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE49428AA for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 11:21:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (mx2.netinteraction.com [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.netinteraction.com (iRedMail) with ESMTP id 95114F44226; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 10:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.netinteraction.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.netinteraction.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wm9NsSbC5ElG; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 10:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com (75-128-248-175.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com [75.128.248.175]) by mx2.netinteraction.com (iRedMail) with ESMTPA id C6E48F44774; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 10:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2013 12:21:11 -0500 To: Monte Jane Morris ,MG list From: Peter Caldwell mail.com> References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] carbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net If you're patient you can remove the float bowls without removing the carbs. Peter C At 12:06 PM 8/2/2013, Monte Jane Morris wrote: >And, of course, clean the needle valve and seat area. Will the carb burn >small amounts of carb cleaner if I squirt down the seat area from above? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 2 13:55:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B135E4054F for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 13:55:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969F440443 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 13:46:15 -0600 (MDT) cv=pIZ85ehrZgv/tT24QorlXoDi5y/kGdSKcofkoCxXl9w= c=1 sm=0 a=WIJ4OnAGe2cA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=D1Q7zX78RwZpmeB7mNcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=LpEOkboXjrq+wuX6h8qnzw==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.24.88] ([72.172.24.88:53054] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id C9/F8-27903-58C0CF15; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 15:46:13 -0400 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2013 14:46:07 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: Monte Jane Morris References: Cc: MG list Subject: Re: [Mgs] carbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net You'd be better off to remove the float bowls and clean 'em out. CR On 8/2/2013 12:04 PM, Monte Jane Morris wrote: > I'm finally getting around to trying to find the piece of "gunk" in the > carbs (HIF's) that has been causing a very intermittent miss (it's been > running fine for several weeks). I'll remove both carbs as an assembly > using an attachment I made. Since the car is running great except for this, > I really don't want to completely disassemble the carbs and have to > readjust everything. So to remove the small particle do I have to do any > more than remove the bottom cover and jet, clean both and spray some carb > cleaner down the jet "pathway"? > Thanks, > Monte 79B, HIF converted > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 23:27:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CBD040547 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 23:27:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D54714042C for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 23:26:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8VSn1m0011eYJf8A8VSuJf; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 05:26:54 +0000 Received: from mail-lb0-x230.google.com ([IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::230]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8VSt1m0081uPWRm01VSujV; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 05:26:54 +0000 Received: by mail-lb0-f176.google.com with SMTP id w10so1309857lbi.7 for ; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 22:26:52 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=IZ1VmgIcdEsdUesqrhmI74ViEPE6AbbmxCVpQPJIIYU=; b=C8gP1ysFMGjB90uLKRy1CijZOZqykFCF72zY233hqA+GPHu88jHn1zLux2KSMuPbC3 O4Utw39ku2Pu91m5BpNnCDkTzwbuUV22PGEKP1FF22WcNlJrt6jBe+aD58uZO/ooLwTz kMeHd0F1E3BAsgIh0JQumPC6C2osbf3Lwcj6fCAPJzalh7pGkwk4eRisNOQZuNPNM+B+ n5aHqU9vBbdz0wDWzw6eqQl0zvUDGuCfqAXvnQWRZO99HO+IDTF+Uy1iYPZZ3QTOZl0H Q8gLTM7M2DsUA3WWX/NkLz5rlXJmeslxJcUdsnhUP4m/IwL7s9PsAtWOMRnEhJS6rvK7 b+GQ== b3mr6322718lbv.35.1375594012702; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 22:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.61.198 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 22:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.61.198 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 22:26:52 -0700 (PDT) References: <70E53F57-A9DC-493F-BBE0-7A6DC2B1FBE6@tampabay.rr.com> <7101048E8CD54C8DA39F4F51FC8A1960@paul> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 23:26:52 -0600 From: Andrew Lundgren To: PaulHunt73 s=q20121106; t=1375594014; bh=IZ1VmgIcdEsdUesqrhmI74ViEPE6AbbmxCVpQPJIIYU=; h=Received:Received:Received:MIME-Version:Received:Received:Date: Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Content-Type; b=gV8X0kCKPpCjJf4OzdFWRoXjVXJgreOu8hxkAlvewxxa1yBDPh8UHFrdYigWraHTJ ON1kGjFPjhSedYWc+unBEqA1vqx06uhibwhomtrox9zRGSsZ78gK4CDm8kQKSdhCEO hl24q5/zFdhemG6y6h88+P0AKh5qCt8c7KzDbyaTBrBSHEMDXpjPAAkFX0OQ3703g+ j0Bv1PnUi/yLVpQ3Y98riKZoioIrXYcxbYHCxFSt/JWDyDhpcZOnAJyVvG284V3xrJ KIcchPhj14Ge0w9B3NECkWhF33MikJTXKdR1Ionxu16zy/UpNipEUo+/hZF2T6rrU7 TlbC3JsOyyWgA== Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cleaning black sidewalls Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That is the reason I got the mini lite knock offs and left the spokes behind. Too much maintenance for me. On Aug 2, 2013 1:20 AM, "PaulHunt73" wrote: > I bought ArmorAll originally for the rubber bumpers on my V8, but didn't > like it as it took loads of applications, but then went a chalky white over > time. However it did bring the tyres up nicely, very black with virtually > no shine. But then the effect wears off after about 50 miles, and I'm not > a show person, so don't bother now, just give them a wash. The chrome wire > wheels are another story, washed, wiped dry, polish applied, then buffed > up, at an hour a wheel! That can last several hundred dry miles, and even > then there is only a film of dry dust. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> The tires on my TD, A and B look great after treating them to Tire >> Dressing >> but after 3 months they are white with a dry waxy residue. >> What can I clean off this stuff with and what is the recommended dressing >> that >> will give a low sheen, not glistening finish that will not dry to white? >> > ______________________________**_________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/mgs/lundgren@byu.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 03:30:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C4FE4043F for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 03:30:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D4B4040C for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 03:26:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-10-imp with bizsmtp id 8ZSF1m0054LtS4201ZSFXX; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 10:26:15 +0100 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=CQ50JjAm3x8A:10 a=54fr-Hg0bIbWyGYTxKYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Monte Jane Morris" , "MG list" References: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 10:02:51 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] carbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net How intermittent is this miss? Just the occasional cough? Or a period of rough running? I wouldn't expect a bit of debris in a carb to cause just an occasional single miss, more likely to be a period of rough running while one carb is blocked I'd have said. Carb cleaner won't hurt, but unless the debris is dissolvable it's unlikely to do anything with that. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > I'm finally getting around to trying to find the piece of "gunk" in the > carbs (HIF's) that has been causing a very intermittent miss _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 04:31:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5D04043F for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 04:31:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77DA40421 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 04:26:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-10-imp with bizsmtp id 8aSe1m0064LtS4201aSeHt; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 11:26:38 +0100 a=4XwrQ-WNIVsA:10 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=hV5davrSehwA:10 a=CHfKUu0MGngcub4jq6cA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=NPdMkMJY0igA:10 a=5WSOW9MYFTUA:10 a=Ca6WO22azjZf8D9BT-YA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=K5quHIdVi9cqHUTr:21 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Andrew Lundgren" References: <70E53F57-A9DC-493F-BBE0-7A6DC2B1FBE6@tampabay.rr.com><7101048E8CD54C8DA39F4F51FC8A1960@paul> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 11:11:27 +0100 Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cleaning black sidewalls Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Ah well, they only get the full works two or three times a year, and the results are worth it. Each to their own, some spend more than that running cotton-buds through the treads ... PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- That is the reason I got the mini lite knock offs and left the spokes behind. Too much maintenance for me. The chrome wire wheels are another story, washed, wiped dry, polish applied, then buffed up, at an hour a wheel! _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 15:05:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9AA40046 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 15:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from relay00.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.5.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C44F64043D for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 15:04:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 70490 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2013 21:04:24 -0000 Received: from 97.96.111.81 (HELO mullet) (97.96.111.81) by relay00.pair.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2013 21:04:24 -0000 From: "Stephen West-Fisher" To: "'MG list'" References: <20130802172111.95114F44226@mx2.netinteraction.com> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 17:04:24 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6Pp8p/NzdgukciTomiNtfq2jY9BABre/mQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] carbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Just did that on the front carb of my HIFs. Jiggled the float, hit the ignition to flow some fuel through the valve, screwed the bottom back on and no more value sticking open. No, it's not the right way, but I just needed it to run without dripping fuel everywhere in the yard while I got my Land-Rover up on the trailer. -- Stephen West-Fisher N4IK -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter Caldwell Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 1:21 PM To: Monte Jane Morris; MG list Subject: Re: [Mgs] carbs If you're patient you can remove the float bowls without removing the carbs. Peter C At 12:06 PM 8/2/2013, Monte Jane Morris wrote: >And, of course, clean the needle valve and seat area. Will the carb >burn small amounts of carb cleaner if I squirt down the seat area from above? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/steve@coastaldatasystems.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 18:44:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42BC406A9 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 18:44:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f181.google.com (mail-pd0-f181.google.com [209.85.192.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB79F4043D for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 18:44:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f181.google.com with SMTP id g10so2616355pdj.12 for ; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 17:44:50 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=uTIjC6OgzVLvCCbohcUD+p18nmf1gVkuhSYzJtvYP10=; b=EvzWDmSJyEIKSpUbvV3SFLpkmFdyqOHikcIQAGWG+c3TqhnHNg5FnkAHI0imsrXZuF kbw7YE6JRcCt7pkpkwVrmhRfiKunXhMCCN43kw9KuzaLF1F1/YRQVRlDO38uUSL1HfXH DvWQjvWReTVvYDEeNGONuGAI9JKZoIRYwWht1GIJPPac4alOUb76Hw9cYoDWgPGD61Wt fNOo3zkNZEQaoG3L65qgbUHpXzVN4j/AqlOVGCu+ftepVVHRsfukWRas9hLXp/hV36Cj 8YEPSgZvpwjQkpISjBOtGG4EdMGq3VYn7q+/Il+0t0O9+XrrTi4lIsHwtsf8sJ3JIAlj mxsQ== kp9mr15549885pbc.78.1375663490663; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 17:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.122.131 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 17:44:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Monte Jane Morris Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:44:10 -0500 To: MG list Subject: [Mgs] carbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I got the carbs off, cleaned, float adjusted and back on. Drove it 16 miles with no hesitation. I did see a few very small pieces of black (rubber?) in the bowl. Thanks for the help. Monte _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 5 01:51:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F95642A12 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 01:51:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-11.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-11.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8224742264 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 01:48:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-11-imp with bizsmtp id 8voG1m00A4LtS4201voG58; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 08:48:16 +0100 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=CQ50JjAm3x8A:10 a=bysodY_V-7M2STTnMS0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=TOQWgSbc5wQA:10 a=LAvUE2jH0VUA:10 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Monte Jane Morris" , "MG list" References: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 08:27:04 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] carbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Might be an idea to replace the hoses. Pushing decomposing hoses back on to the ports could well scrape more rubber off to cause the same problem again. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >I got the carbs off, cleaned, float adjusted and back on. Drove it 16 miles > with no hesitation. I did see a few very small pieces of black (rubber?) > in > the bowl. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 5 15:13:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 184E342C67 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 15:13:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F76142976 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 15:13:31 -0600 (MDT) cv=97PW2gncEfEy/YSu3i0wcK7PNIrIpcw1RraxUDB8BKE= c=1 sm=0 a=WIJ4OnAGe2cA:10 a=DqrPByzA5xsA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=vdo2H1Dp6Tg9uguI00wA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=icx7Uc721bcA:10 a=Z_AfSEtHQE8A:10 a=LpEOkboXjrq+wuX6h8qnzw==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.24.88] ([72.172.24.88:51035] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 58/EB-13603-A7510025; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 17:13:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 16:13:26 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: Richard Lindsay References: Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] OT - My friend has a great car needing a good home Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hard to believe those asking prices. =-O CR _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 5 22:41:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B007742E9A for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 22:41:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f53.google.com (mail-vb0-f53.google.com [209.85.212.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15C640357 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 22:41:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f53.google.com with SMTP id i3so3676308vbh.12 for ; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 21:41:04 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Jm7dVQinnm4NFu4mtRpp6YDX4qjg55wEojzAyglRKYY=; b=B0enoR6y9xSjunI0VHeGIonoRJvP+h113mWNkap6HTB0PP1xrbKvis2arOOIIw8KO6 BTaK7sD9oAVjaEMk4lk9N3df/Gq4E3sibE1LeKVCql1xmCXfmLClK5FCyPFgYNOkPQxi 5YCQJ27CI6xnU7kzYN7dQ4+jxRCgkJdsghekt3GbF+cAp+i8sBDJK0EaYWrMMpFqVU8w XpzqFeDyJ7j4i3gZeM0Uaqu/Mi2gWuJ2FEismpF4XT3gO1iFJDDqwLyYPiyR3FDIKtud H+cLM+5Kl/9huhJe5a8wPHhTfa2nyYUpnqoUn//2PTHt4A9TkzYxvc6JFF3uenS7SRo9 v4FA== az7mr6766956vec.13.1375764064024; Mon, 05 Aug 2013 21:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.229.33 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 21:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 21:41:03 -0700 From: Simon Matthews To: MGS Subject: [Mgs] How to attach under-dash liner? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a '71 MGB-GT on which the under-dash liner (with speaker attached) keeps dropping. It is not attached at the end nearest the passenger. How should this be attached? Simon _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 05:50:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D0E4273F for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 05:50:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3679B403F2 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 05:48:23 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1375789702; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=KYdJ4HsKDQ6L4LcGBVJXIrMgPL11cA4Av4IrWb6iZAi+uUSmoVDds0mQesYp/XKqn 7oMeZFHWxtnerEAXvqM3ILM30aAfnGFQ1K8rfYuqxeR1w5PMcTjFiqoNN2UjqDfOKo Jxk6+YNWQWUGe8il58dwSkIj9kOY44zFd9sj8618= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.103]) by smtpout01.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABKAB2U8AXEMR3S for (sender ); Tue, 6 Aug 2013 04:47:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 11:46:41 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 11:46:41 GMT To: simon.d.matthews@gmail.com Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] How to attach under-dash liner? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net My 72 GT has a tab welded to the square-section tube that at bottom of the dash. I use a self tapping screw through a hole in the panel, into a fahnstock(?) clip on that tab. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Simon Matthews To: MGS Subject: [Mgs] How to attach under-dash liner? Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 21:41:03 -0700 I have a '71 MGB-GT on which the under-dash liner (with speaker attached) keeps dropping. It is not attached at the end nearest the passenger. How should this be attached? Simon _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 05:53:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C72AF427A6 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 05:53:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm34-vm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm34-vm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D9B4003E for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 05:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.144] by nm34.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2013 11:53:00 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.216] by tm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2013 11:53:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2013 11:53:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 52716 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2013 11:53:00 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375789980; bh=67BKBEPNZx2s20AqJAHll10lCoH3eiNlkVNpM4NM5LU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Go8zsqxKldeLh6aNlzEsxhuNaggZxL12Nu/PBJZMq/u9FMIL2/UAHb5UCNevacfJ4zz5IDU3INKqy92J/QC59Ugvpw1wZEjg5DgDnYFELyw+N1JWpvGViOZ/2zFvEjznTkn4biY0jMJrYnpdL2lvi40S5YPtm8TC7pkjO6X6rnk= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pATudfyZWhoDmYwhZFxRc1sGmOg4rR4F2g775ZP3nNbi8dWTrtJSTheQe3x6pOmOJX2Urd3lJkFsU/aGysgb7CDRk4MgwNL2uYSZ6+wZ85GhhBSqpGr6eRLmDM43jEa5cl07euUnB7ZWe+GXLMY02zhB2rO2NZhCxAbyD2u7Mus=; 1e.GyJ9trpE_iiAWtFR7rixbtDoeSlMXWR7Wi8FkdPWUIWIW3RjA6F3rT8m5 S.ExVW984Lh.3kiOLktF6TOAxpeXKqRnoRIkTK7U0IJU.4JyT7RM7UAr6I.m iKAfdhYkku5RGfbGNh.NlW56K7huH646_Z0RYVurzWKUm02SJIXHqC2rji5z sp00g3fI.mYzm6Mr4sLNWFM2t1vtd.JV4Bwnkv7DPQtLvqU2ZxPP6L2cy1B5 lFrdMrpnmy5iUF_QRLpfppL5.RTcD8fxeUv8DoJI1LZjkSe_OH0IpIFrfMFX KBTXABcy5X.BzgxlgmZp_lCsxvtLztYcHtIruCJKjJofxlaWbxvGxrTQXHbo 1_ItxDmvVGN7yGYcNuE9RwGR3ZsYnbcFQrZptODcGeA9TsVDk08ofbCgtoDu ddlfeSWKeiZaSSgwv51CtQApJy9sEz0rR9iSekm2Ocb.xdrP7s9hYm63kzyv fUsl_f0v3tjDP6OKYAhMKfXsHpCUI9BbPTEioVPTTkagGMfbirgkE9FLtMzm eC5SXzO..GiEfQkE90VeQuUyQDbTM_jDv1h7P3J6apufMJZBYPcJoN2fan0s UEZaKtaI2Z3EOeLecGrCyLu.qdyjgaZcBdb8r6vGpyfERx7ZWewuA3Bh1Dlw yHqS_hq1nQHRiDyqFsYEeO9Oi2A2KjhRfFaKgIPbNNweN5tEcQ5TIYhQsGpb VSOk25xjaTJg- Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2013 04:53:00 PDT RHVtYiBxdWVzdGlvbiAtIGlzIHRoYXQgcmVhbGx5IHdoZXJlIHRoZSBnYXMgdGFuayBvbiBhIFRSMyBpcz8gTm8gYnVsa2hlYWQgc2VwYXJhdGluZyBpdCBmcm9tIHRoZSBwYXNzZW5nZXIgY29tcGFydG1lbnQ_CgpEYW4gRAonNjVCLCA3NkIKQ2VudHJhbCBOSiBVU0EKCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIEZyb206IFJpY2hhcmQgTGluZHNheSA8cmljaGFyZG9saW5kc2F5QGdtYWlsLmNvbT4KVG86IHBldGVyIGdyZWd3YXJlIDx0cjNfZGlkZHVtc0B5YWhvby5jb20.OyAibWdzQGEBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 04:53:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Richard Lindsay , "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] OT - My friend has a great car needing a good home Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Dumb question - is that really where the gas tank on a TR3 is? No bulkhead separating it from the passenger compartment? Dan D '65B, 76B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Richard Lindsay To: peter gregware ; "mgs@autox.team.net List" ; mg-t@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:09 PM Subject: [Mgs] OT - My friend has a great car needing a good home Hello Friends, Please forgive the commercial nature of this post. I'm not writing to advertise a car so much as trying to help a friend who badly needs to liquidate his car. The car is a Triumph TR3. Yea, I know this is the M.G., list but this is a great car for someone - and at a bottom-dollar price. (Check Hagerty to see the value of a nicely restored car!) Sadly (or not) I already have NINE cars. Here are a few pictures; http://www.aubard.us/Pete/ ...and his listing, http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/3937042732.html Thanks guys and again, sorry for 'marketing'. Peter's a really good guy. He just needs a little help right now. -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 06:07:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E8A42765 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 06:07:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f181.google.com (mail-ob0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C022640382 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 06:07:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f181.google.com with SMTP id dn14so578558obc.40 for ; Tue, 06 Aug 2013 05:07:11 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=zY0Q/HVuvD5vL1vS8Z3L7MuzkhIAHVtayR8mr0UFWiM=; b=zwsVbRmjQ/zmtxb0qNVoJqV5SmXCEM4ueAE6cGBfw86nw7+OS8UEBPKNIsYBvVpkwR oSn0ppyQCiskcT/librzY3vJSxHG7MgWfPUlutIFOb4ayj+fbOAx3eX+SVUV2Mq61ClX sIAtLdiKWk67t0BMc3HVc+STqyRu6PI/ZslIZDhtNcr+BJs3/pAe1s3abgWWBrFE4sYB Aa3g2ml86n7XFyR8Fkc8Go40p1oiHprQDto4zd882eTLGhlJd9lxnPkfdWLBWHDLib76 rD+HUQfE/AlwAxXAToitEs4CwmubdfssR/QAOzY40WB489J2uZ5RcMJ2jIYJ9ImrrQ+T P2Qw== aq7mr643128obc.103.1375790831527; Tue, 06 Aug 2013 05:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.42.136 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 05:07:11 -0700 (PDT) References: <1375789980.52525.YahooMailNeo@web164901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 05:07:11 -0700 From: Richard Ewald To: Dan DiBiase Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] OT - My friend has a great car needing a good home Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That's were the tank is. Same on a Spitfire. For that matter, on a Model T Ford it was under the seat, on a Model a it was in the cowl in front of the windshield. On my 61 Chevy pickup, the tank was behind the bench seat. Rick On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 4:53 AM, Dan DiBiase wrote: > Dumb question - is that really where the gas tank on a TR3 is? No bulkhead > separating it from the passenger compartment? > > Dan D > '65B, 76B > Central NJ USA > ________________________________ > From: Richard Lindsay > > To: peter gregware ; > "mgs@autox.team.net List" ; mg-t@autox.team.net > Sent: > Monday, August 5, 2013 12:09 PM > Subject: [Mgs] OT - My friend has a great car > needing a good home > > > Hello Friends, > > Please forgive the commercial nature of > this post. I'm not writing to > advertise a car so much as trying to help a > friend who badly needs to > liquidate his car. The car is a Triumph TR3. Yea, > I know this is the > M.G., list but this is a great car for someone - and at a > bottom-dollar price. (Check Hagerty to see the value of a nicely > restored > car!) Sadly (or not) I already have NINE cars. Here are a > few pictures; > http://www.aubard.us/Pete/ > > ...and his listing, > http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/3937042732.html > > Thanks guys and again, > sorry for 'marketing'. Peter's a really good > guy. He just needs a little > help right now. > > -rick > _______________________________________________ > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual > donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: > http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richard.ewald@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 11:29:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87724281B for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 11:29:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.8]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8ACF427C7 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 11:28:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews23.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.189]) by cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 6 Aug 2013 19:28:55 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT109.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.28]) by cpsps-ews23.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 6 Aug 2013 19:28:55 +0200 Received: from PolderPC ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT109.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Tue, 6 Aug 2013 19:28:55 +0200 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "'Simon Matthews'" , "'MGS'" References: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 19:28:57 +0200 Thread-Index: AQKUhRW/9Ock4r7Kq5/C9twIUTsh65f8ia4A Content-Language: nl FILETIME=[6D559F20:01CE92CA] Subject: Re: [Mgs] How to attach under-dash liner? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I just have left it off - there is no radio in the car, so ... This liner is of poor quality and I left it out. Same counts for the liner under the left part of the dash. Easy to work on the electrics. I still have the radio from my very first car (a 1970 Citrokn 2 CV), which had the speaker inside the radio. AM only and we were happy with the sound. The 2 CV makes quite a noise, so the BGT does. Cheers, Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Simon Matthews Verzonden: dinsdag 6 augustus 2013 6:41 Aan: MGS Onderwerp: [Mgs] How to attach under-dash liner? I have a '71 MGB-GT on which the under-dash liner (with speaker attached) keeps dropping. It is not attached at the end nearest the passenger. How should this be attached? Simon _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/h.duinhoven@planet.nl _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 15:44:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAEF14296C for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 15:44:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 577C942853 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 15:40:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.170] by nm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2013 21:40:51 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.251] by tm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2013 21:40:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1060.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2013 21:40:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 65519 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2013 21:40:49 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375825249; bh=thCQXukcAm2JlLvBjgCnHb82IsvZhaxrWTIOw2TOBrE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IYuIKjOE0qwunKmN+pcklwkV2+C7JHFUhfQgQFXe0I6cV61VvhqKHZv7SLWqdlySqAWubv9bcc33W9u9rh+vscfvkuw2HaX1SR48kG4PBBAdc6qcITV3rdWV+spkHiKHqcivP9YDb1EGuPzqfgllxDvig9VQCHWMFsHMlKo+E7A= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mNbsnSiKfTLeCmSnO9kv5krK6NJItl65AuQGiaHQGgFW4VP7o/Wwp7ZjrR37lpE/bo/GeHO6LZ6kUVTTLbjU9AKzI0gl3mrw+350LxNVIIfNb1CIGtjoisxz5VLPCG/ZQdNhZuNciOow63Wa45UhTGZyhJK9Sba0MgCrWU4FkKI=; 1G.lBKD4ajSXY_u_t4n9IDc4VSRXVLmW6SOJHP8N3g0wHTM7XF03lzfEqxf6 kAyz6UQeN2sqVA58Hyb4ZTjwfMYq01R9DpV1SZr1lilQBPNM0ODtfpGQFfAv 5WU9eJd6XEoLfXdxVfWnpdckZoQ9kW2yZPyMZKldBncNOV3He8k.NSe37GoN rwCXtfE1nrXWQ_BuNFcL0aj00GjgToZC7_BKqsAGOZnWKxOWn40hZm9spvhg OAiHVLIJFweaN.1S0zWty7gpgodQp3p.bSA9S7ibVVa_v4MaAF5TwouGT.Se 2kMq4zOiSbc4_4vTpzAUgblCRjHmcCgz8wWKib1Hp7Dk54fI1k9esXWpnUyW cPv56hYcZkjpUMZQW01QXC10TXiUVvjhprJ3BOgnRUjMobWSlWWYrXYP8elf _eWyv.U.18iGBsu2MLN9MSZpvsqblG.w6QBT7XZO.T5q7Jvr3IVt4gdaZDLU IAXj78jnaSwnEafc4nIxeK86IdNeH3g.0gCuXRh9C2fmwLxf3Uy6ytEQdzXP WbL9yxAnyXWHDz5_.Y6McCS2wSV2ep5wu1xmUIaMKDL_hoMR6YSztELECawO uRV6xDWyr341r85Q_kZUAIIRY8_Zwq1EwlGHuZIwzaDwQa9f8mbz2KtqprcD lZg-- Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2013 14:40:49 PDT Tm90IHN1cmUgd2h5IGFsbCB0aGUgJ0Incycgd2hlbiB5b3UgcG9zdCBmcm9tIHlvdXIgR2FsYXh5LCBSaWNrLCBidXQgcmVhZGluZyB0aGUgcG9zdHMgd2l0aCB0aGVtIHJlbWluZHMgbWUgb2YgTXVzaG1vdXRoIC0KCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cueW91dHViZS5jb20vd2F0Y2g_dj1wTUFESmNpbW5kcwoKKFlvdSdsbCBnZXQgdGhlIGlkZWEgaW4gdGhlIGZpcnN0IDE1IHNlY29uZHMgb3Igc28uLi4uLiA7LSkKCkRhbiBECic3NkIsICc2NUIKQ2VudHJhbCBOSiBVU0EKCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18BMAEBAQE- References: <05dvhh48s4omn17xlskva6ys.1375824015286@email.android.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 14:40:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Rick Lindsay Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Starter rebuild... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Not sure why all the 'B's' when you post from your Galaxy, Rick, but reading the posts with them reminds me of Mushmouth - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMADJcimnds (You'll get the idea in the first 15 seconds or so..... ;-) Dan D '76B, '65B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Rick Lindsay To: kingseim@earthlink.net Cc: mgs@autox.team.net; mg-t@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Starter rebuild... Hi John. B Thanks. B They may be aluminum. B If so, I understand the problem. B Thanks. -rick Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. -------- Original message -------- From: John Seim Date: 08/06/2013 4:18 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Rick Lindsay Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net,mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Starter rebuild... Chances are, you have aluminum replacement coils in your starter. Originally, the brushes were crimped to the aluminum, as you cannot solder them. Might have been spot welded. When brushes need to be replaced, and the field coil is made of aluminum, best to replace the field coils with those made of copper. John Seim Irvine, CA On Aug 6, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Rick Lindsay wrote: > Hi Friends, > > My '53 TD's M35G starter rebuild is almost complete. B Everything is clean and lubricated, where appropriate. B Bushes are just fine, oil soaked and their journals are smooth. > > What I did discover is that the brass terminal post is not soldered to the field windings! B The two flat conductors from the field, were just pinched into the slot in the inner end of the post. B They were quite grimey at the contact point, so they've been like this for quite a while. > > Reviewing the workshop manual today, I see that the flat conductors should be (apparently) soldered to the post. B Can you verify that is correct? B Considering the current drawn, I can't imagine that a simple press-fit connection is valid - but I could be wrong. B Your thoughts? > > -rick > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > > Suggested annual donationB $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/kingseim@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 15:48:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8551D4298D for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 15:48:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f175.google.com (mail-ob0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 613554289D for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 15:48:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f175.google.com with SMTP id xn12so2087752obc.6 for ; Tue, 06 Aug 2013 14:48:44 -0700 (PDT) h=date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:cc:reply-to:mime-version :content-type; bh=9HDP4E3MGb0Ayg/UK2m/hwJyy/Men3EP04AqUDU6M00=; b=0MkahTgZUZS4VWan8ejuYJi41WzB3bsyugpEaozv7038x8xkC1FfUp/hhAKusjQYe0 QUTC2U6Mx1I+mzFBxb7v5hvtdwoyduwZaHaeeZVRanFYocgnEKCDRvWAz4bBJgUXlv83 xpPsX2ruGBGtkqcnyqI0wgeygGYE7sN7RuceAyoYIwd10xqrNFHtmsxA6DlcqT/ROppp magmT0VcmPkq7lkvbWC+EuLYhp/MV5SrJ+7zaWoUyJa2hIHa07D9JsxB7xURzn9Wsriy lP0OX5PJu2Dom9ueaASNE3KuqJr5pi/g0BuBVwEKIo29DwHwlYOfvIWrcH2Tu5QM+kiq /yuw== be3mr13954icb.77.1375825724187; Tue, 06 Aug 2013 14:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.42.4] (99-37-165-19.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [99.37.165.19]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id w5sm1467457igz.10.2013.08.06.14.48.42 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 06 Aug 2013 14:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 16:48:40 -0500 From: Rick Lindsay To: d_dibiase@yahoo.com Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Starter rebuild... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Dan. B Android e-mail tool only allows fancy-schmancy text, with no simple ASCII text option. B Sorry. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. -------- Original message -------- From: Dan DiBiase Date: 08/06/2013 4:40 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Rick Lindsay Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Starter rebuild... Not sure why all the 'B's' when you post from your Galaxy, Rick, but reading the posts with them reminds me of Mushmouth - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMADJcimnds (You'll get the idea in the first 15 seconds or so..... ;-) Dan D '76B, '65B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Rick Lindsay To: kingseim@earthlink.net Cc: mgs@autox.team.net; mg-t@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Starter rebuild... Hi John. B Thanks. B They may be aluminum. B If so, I understand the problem. B Thanks. -rick Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. -------- Original message -------- From: John Seim Date: 08/06/2013B 4:18 PMB (GMT-06:00) To: Rick Lindsay Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net,mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Starter rebuild... Chances are, you have aluminum replacement coils in your starter. Originally, the brushes were crimped to the aluminum, as you cannot solder them. Might have been spot welded. When brushes need to be replaced, and the field coil is made of aluminum, best to replace the field coils with those made of copper. John Seim Irvine, CA On Aug 6, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Rick Lindsay wrote: > Hi Friends, > > My '53 TD's M35G starter rebuild is almost complete. B Everything is clean and lubricated, where appropriate. B Bushes are just fine, oil soaked and their journals are smooth. > > What I did discover is that the brass terminal post is not soldered to the field windings! B The two flat conductors from the field, were just pinched into the slot in the inner end of the post. B They were quite grimey at the contact point, so they've been like this for quite a while. > > Reviewing the workshop manual today, I see that the flat conductors should be (apparently) soldered to the post. B Can you verify that is correct? B Considering the current drawn, I can't imagine that a simple press-fit connection is valid - but I could be wrong. B Your thoughts? > > -rick > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donationBB $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/kingseim@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 17:00:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4389E429A9 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 17:00:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f42.google.com (mail-yh0-f42.google.com [209.85.213.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100E24294A for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 16:56:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f42.google.com with SMTP id l109so395269yhq.29 for ; Tue, 06 Aug 2013 15:56:42 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=Jp/rBq1ysqJLZaWLT0HzaJndrbnCMfQOPneYu7M9nIc=; b=rfoHGIQhKjxVODZThYW70LCDJYi4ZLR8xg/3/u11R9k+vH4ItHLSUcL7poA1vsrAmD mrl6EYUCdk5ucMzooXfh7Jw7m+ur7zzm2Ez9WbbypFvRvBRnG5g1IQ7pZTz//0zNrBa+ 2jJyctTa9MPKJLLgeino4GqqFv9QDS2DF6LBuxyGtpB+jZmU7CnIS9bn/xfFtE1EhvMr k1IEvWidDt06y0ZPhe9RApFCEFt2qzQe1TZKcOQ3qvZinnfw1K3V8/n12l4ijuEPZnqB tnlJl8L49Sst9y84RFN/zBjnYyp7zzPyIo806emolZ/Os84KktT16eg0EEDi7NWVxZI0 Em6g== g6mr291238yhj.81.1375829802805; Tue, 06 Aug 2013 15:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.17] (75-168-25-108.mpls.qwest.net. [75.168.25.108]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id s29sm4992870yhf.6.2013.08.06.15.56.41 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 06 Aug 2013 15:56:42 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Paul Root Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 17:56:40 -0500 To: Rick Lindsay Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Starter rebuild... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I prefer the gmail client. Sent from my iPad On Aug 6, 2013, at 4:48 PM, Rick Lindsay wrote: > Thanks Dan. B Android e-mail tool only allows fancy-schmancy text, with no simple ASCII text option. B Sorry. > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Dan DiBiase > Date: 08/06/2013 4:40 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: Rick Lindsay > Cc: mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Starter rebuild... > > Not sure why all the 'B's' when you post from your Galaxy, Rick, but reading the posts with them reminds me of Mushmouth - > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMADJcimnds > > (You'll get the idea in the first 15 seconds or so..... ;-) > > Dan D > '76B, '65B > Central NJ USA > > > > ________________________________ > From: Rick Lindsay > To: kingseim@earthlink.net > Cc: mgs@autox.team.net; mg-t@autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 5:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Starter rebuild... > > > Hi John. B Thanks. B They may be aluminum. B If so, I understand the problem. B Thanks. > > -rick > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. > > -------- Original message -------- > From: John Seim > Date: 08/06/2013B 4:18 PMB (GMT-06:00) > To: Rick Lindsay > Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net,mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Starter rebuild... > > Chances are, you have aluminum replacement coils in your starter. > Originally, the brushes were crimped to the aluminum, as you cannot solder > them. Might have been spot welded. When brushes need to be replaced, > and the field coil is made of aluminum, best to replace the field coils with > those made of copper. > > John Seim > Irvine, CA > > On Aug 6, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Rick Lindsay wrote: > >> Hi Friends, >> >> My '53 TD's M35G starter rebuild is almost complete. B Everything is clean and lubricated, where appropriate. B Bushes are just fine, oil soaked and their journals are smooth. >> >> What I did discover is that the brass terminal post is not soldered to the field windings! B The two flat conductors from the field, were just pinched into the slot in the inner end of the post. B They were quite grimey at the contact point, so they've been like this for quite a while. >> >> Reviewing the workshop manual today, I see that the flat conductors should be (apparently) soldered to the post. B Can you verify that is correct? B Considering the current drawn, I can't imagine that a simple press-fit connection is valid - but I could be wrong. B Your thoughts? >> >> -rick >> >> >> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. >> ______________________________________________ >> >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donationBB $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/kingseim@earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donationB $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 19:37:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3516642BBE for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 19:37:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 665A842A30 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 19:37:23 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1375839442; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=KjmtkLXOJIFb+wQoqQWVfswR9BfcnAHumU/PecHJDQ7ouzTCtuPg5KhHYiOyRX6qd tTlLeivFbEJwjo7HQkjLBAsZyu6L16FcCsAUjdiwm75j11idFoMFnzhOoZ/QIdtjgO +VV8/457RBLfNwPYxvMiKzDLbTmBwfgyMEVV0HYs= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.102]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABKADKF6AY2V2R2 for (sender ); Tue, 6 Aug 2013 18:37:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 01:35:13 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 01:35:13 GMT To: h.duinhoven@planet.nl Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] How to attach under-dash liner? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The panel is a nuisance, both to install and to remove for working behind the dashboard. In GTs, though, it does seem to quiet the cabin a bit. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "'Simon Matthews'" , "'MGS'" Subject: Re: [Mgs] How to attach under-dash liner? Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 19:28:57 +0200 I just have left it off - there is no radio in the car, so ... This liner is of poor quality and I left it out. Same counts for the liner under the left part of the dash. Easy to work on the electrics. I still have the radio from my very first car (a 1970 Citrokn 2 CV), which had the speaker inside the radio. AM only and we were happy with the sound. The 2 CV makes quite a noise, so the BGT does. Cheers, Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Simon Matthews Verzonden: dinsdag 6 augustus 2013 6:41 Aan: MGS Onderwerp: [Mgs] How to attach under-dash liner? I have a '71 MGB-GT on which the under-dash liner (with speaker attached) keeps dropping. It is not attached at the end nearest the passenger. How should this be attached? Simon _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/h.duinhoven@planet.nl _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 20:36:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8185642732 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 20:36:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f53.google.com (mail-qe0-f53.google.com [209.85.128.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 053E54040A for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 20:34:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f53.google.com with SMTP id f6so689004qej.12 for ; Tue, 06 Aug 2013 19:34:54 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:thread-index; bh=Cqw6w/06wSX8px1mUgPzKC/mM9FgxF2a09kk4e4Jt/4=; b=dpGf3lzRtIuSNXFoJPbb7uOHkc6u/0UGVdwBVNZhBIoKPb/TPnpy2+pRo24+CFsHi3 Tr/GoIL9HTcf9Bn2sE1pt0UKfyvmAhCky19SzaeeP6kUbQu80IjWaZXMjzm8LJ+B9BlN T2UIb7OzjDn5xFM+lEhfI4r9DgXFcgYJTPNnHTaNg2lUl5brG8Tza/KWTm5QCPGH8m5F qxGR2ZvQG8CI4MHLCuyrNuKMOJZ+IcH8zCtU4cwgai9hWveBm6ZS3MCa/KZXPjAxIz/I faC2bvD+aWCz4b0soNPIiggjsZnmo6sxxiV+MgPIKpzNRsN5hQ/n81LBvu/M+LWWfzc1 Adlg== kg3mr1213683qeb.68.1375842894793; Tue, 06 Aug 2013 19:34:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from RPS (ool-18b9408d.dyn.optonline.net. [24.185.64.141]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c4sm8904113qad.0.2013.08.06.19.34.53 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 06 Aug 2013 19:34:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Peter Schauss" To: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 22:34:54 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6TFp1HsEZCDg/KQ1SL5M2GWO8SVw== Subject: [Mgs] SU fuel pump availability Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I tried to order a new fuel pump for my MGB from Moss and found that both the standard and the electronic versions are on indefinite backorder. People at British Car Specialists told me that Burlen has suspended production of these pumps because of failures caused by ethanol in the gasoline. BCS is shipping me a German-built replacement for the SU. I will let you all know how it works out. Peter Schauss 1980 MGB _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 6 21:37:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F101140074 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 21:37:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C2534006D for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 21:32:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-241.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.241]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r773WSwv026268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2013 20:32:29 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 20:31:55 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] SU fuel pump availability Thread-Index: Ac6TFp1HsEZCDg/KQ1SL5M2GWO8SVwACAytu Subject: Re: [Mgs] SU fuel pump availability Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for this info. I was just thinking of ordering a solid state since I have had issues with the current unit (a mashup of an oldie and a Moss points replacement). The new points unit was so poorly constructed I swapped in the parts from the ancient unit, but now I understandably don't have an immense amount of faith in it. on 8/6/13 7:34 PM, Peter Schauss at rpschauss@gmail.com wrote: > I tried to order a new fuel pump for my MGB from Moss and found that both > the standard and the electronic versions are on indefinite backorder. > People at British Car Specialists told me that Burlen has suspended > production of these pumps because of failures caused by ethanol in the > gasoline. BCS is shipping me a German-built replacement for the SU. I will > let you all know how it works out. > > Peter Schauss > 1980 MGB -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 01:30:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF4140325 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 01:30:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi176.prodigy.net (nlpi176.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD6694009A for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 01:30:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-99-139-120-102.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [99.139.120.102]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi176.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r777UCOn003109; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 02:30:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 02:30:07 -0500 To: Max Heim , MG List From: Barney Gaylord References: <5201b24e.8420e00a.2c55.ffffb9cc@mx.google.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] SU fuel pump availability Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Max, DId the bad new erplacement points look something like this: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/faulty/ft037.htm This is a five year old problem that may be still hanging around. Barney At 08:31 PM 8/6/2013 -0700, Max Heim wrote: >.... I was just thinking of ordering a solid state since I >have had issues with the current unit (a mashup of an oldie and a Moss >points replacement). The new points unit was so poorly constructed I swapped >in the parts from the ancient unit, but now I understandably don't have an >immense amount of faith in it. >on 8/6/13 7:34 PM, Peter Schauss at rpschauss@gmail.com wrote: > > > I tried to order a new fuel pump for my MGB from Moss and found that both > > the standard and the electronic versions are on indefinite backorder. > > .... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 05:36:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C89140E4E for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 05:36:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B4D40690 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 05:36:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9n1m1m0051swQuc59ncP9f; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 11:36:23 +0000 Received: from stargate ([98.250.57.52]) by omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9ncN1m00h17cZ1N3bncP0l; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 11:36:23 +0000 From: "gordies garage" To: References: <5201b24e.8420e00a.2c55.ffffb9cc@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 07:36:01 -0400 s=q20121106; t=1375875383; bh=w0oIwXkWSVVdVCiBg8JBwMpjsnD4+IqnfRaix9iTQLk=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AI/gWZDCTqEv+tG0dQuKWL5heLj/nufEdQmhkEiPEwRxFt+A7RtPrEunJeyXJPz0r ZJltRGdhZXrTI8ZrUTNUgn39fi62je2WnLkDcqiZ83K05jLt3C+zItMY0JbZ4e2a5s VbLqfzjBCrB5g6Qp4+4O5QvGaIGYK9ZYEeJ4ee/VdK8RjIvWwNZtI+kyW703OOHAe9 APzAlXIClcuPbULOrxbINhAdMnEoe5bLP94km4gt85qG82xwKBB+X4N9UWGjaSya6u Em7mvhSwP4QU82EFz4xuJLv4FybvmtYzcklBjiIVSLq/VKD+BCTB4EA66hEAO6RzDE MERIM7UTnaYSw== Subject: Re: [Mgs] SU fuel pump availability Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Here's a link to several fuel pump rebuilders. http://homepages.donobi.net/sufuelpumps/links.html I would personally recommend the first on the list, Tom Ball, 330-666-2642 or 330-867-9800 (no website or email). Gordie Bird '62 MGA -------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Schauss" Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:34 PM To: Subject: [Mgs] SU fuel pump availability > I tried to order a new fuel pump for my MGB from Moss and found that both > the standard and the electronic versions are on indefinite backorder. > People at British Car Specialists told me that Burlen has suspended > production of these pumps because of failures caused by ethanol in the > gasoline. BCS is shipping me a German-built replacement for the SU. I > will > let you all know how it works out. > > Peter Schauss > 1980 MGB > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mg_garage@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 10:54:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 097494292A for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 10:54:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8C0428FB for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 10:48:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-117.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.117]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r77GmE6J004381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 09:48:16 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 09:44:56 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] SU fuel pump availability Thread-Index: Ac6TjXJwmK2xxF8POkya9FFeic1wmQ== Subject: Re: [Mgs] SU fuel pump availability Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Yep, that's it. It was probably 5 years ago when I bought it. I ran it for a while, but it was not even as reliable as the old unit, which had almost left me stranded late at night in the middle of nowhere (coast range btwn Leggett and Westport CA). on 8/7/13 12:30 AM, Barney Gaylord at barneymg@mgaguru.com wrote: > Max, > > DId the bad new erplacement points look something like this: > http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/faulty/ft037.htm > > This is a five year old problem that may be still hanging around. > > Barney > > > At 08:31 PM 8/6/2013 -0700, Max Heim wrote: >> .... I was just thinking of ordering a solid state since I >> have had issues with the current unit (a mashup of an oldie and a Moss >> points replacement). The new points unit was so poorly constructed I swapped >> in the parts from the ancient unit, but now I understandably don't have an >> immense amount of faith in it. > > >> on 8/6/13 7:34 PM, Peter Schauss at rpschauss@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> I tried to order a new fuel pump for my MGB from Moss and found that both >>> the standard and the electronic versions are on indefinite backorder. >>> .... > > > -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 10:58:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A764299B for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 10:58:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc4-s7.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s7.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63ECF4290B for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 10:58:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU405-EAS159 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s7.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 7 Aug 2013 09:58:02 -0700 References: From: Tom Daughdrill Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 11:58:00 -0500 To: FILETIME=[476411F0:01CE938F] Subject: Re: [Mgs] SU fuel pump availability Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I recently got a points type pump from Seven Enterprises with no delay. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 7, 2013, at 11:54 AM, "Max Heim" wrote: > Yep, that's it. It was probably 5 years ago when I bought it. I ran it for a > while, but it was not even as reliable as the old unit, which had almost > left me stranded late at night in the middle of nowhere (coast range btwn > Leggett and Westport CA). > > on 8/7/13 12:30 AM, Barney Gaylord at barneymg@mgaguru.com wrote: > >> Max, >> >> DId the bad new erplacement points look something like this: >> http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/faulty/ft037.htm >> >> This is a five year old problem that may be still hanging around. >> >> Barney >> >> >> At 08:31 PM 8/6/2013 -0700, Max Heim wrote: >>> .... I was just thinking of ordering a solid state since I >>> have had issues with the current unit (a mashup of an oldie and a Moss >>> points replacement). The new points unit was so poorly constructed I swapped >>> in the parts from the ancient unit, but now I understandably don't have an >>> immense amount of faith in it. >> >> >>> on 8/6/13 7:34 PM, Peter Schauss at rpschauss@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> I tried to order a new fuel pump for my MGB from Moss and found that both >>>> the standard and the electronic versions are on indefinite backorder. >>>> .... > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/lincman90@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 11:26:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1054296E for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 11:26:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423A14292D for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 11:24:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-117.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.117]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r77HOUOF029413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 10:24:33 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 10:24:03 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] SU fuel pump availability Thread-Index: Ac6Tkulc+LGoyFFOHE678Bj9w2pVfQ== Subject: Re: [Mgs] SU fuel pump availability Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That's good to know. But have you looked at the points, though? -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 8/7/13 9:58 AM, Tom Daughdrill at lincman90@hotmail.com wrote: > I recently got a points type pump from Seven Enterprises with no delay. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 7, 2013, at 11:54 AM, "Max Heim" wrote: > >> Yep, that's it. It was probably 5 years ago when I bought it. I ran it for > a >> while, but it was not even as reliable as the old unit, which had almost >> left me stranded late at night in the middle of nowhere (coast range btwn >> Leggett and Westport CA). >> >> on 8/7/13 12:30 AM, Barney Gaylord at barneymg@mgaguru.com wrote: >> >>> Max, >>> >>> DId the bad new erplacement points look something like this: >>> http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/faulty/ft037.htm >>> >>> This is a five year old problem that may be still hanging around. >>> >>> Barney >>> >>> >>> At 08:31 PM 8/6/2013 -0700, Max Heim wrote: >>>> .... I was just thinking of ordering a solid state since I >>>> have had issues with the current unit (a mashup of an oldie and a Moss >>>> points replacement). The new points unit was so poorly constructed I > swapped >>>> in the parts from the ancient unit, but now I understandably don't have > an >>>> immense amount of faith in it. >>> >>> >>>> on 8/6/13 7:34 PM, Peter Schauss at rpschauss@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> I tried to order a new fuel pump for my MGB from Moss and found that > both >>>>> the standard and the electronic versions are on indefinite backorder. >>>>> .... >> >> -- >> >> Max Heim >> '66 MGB GHN3L76149 >> If you're near Menlo Park, CA, >> it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 11:44:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D1842981 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 11:44:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E2B4290B for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 11:44:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e690f.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.105.15]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MR600D15991Y8Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 13:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 13:41:18 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <5201b24e.8420e00a.2c55.ffffb9cc@mx.google.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] SU fuel pump availability Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I agree with Gordie. There are guys out there who rebuild fuel pumps, and what you end up with is as good as new. If you do replace your pump and your old one was a genuine SU, don't throw it away. The guys who do the rebuilding are usually looking for cores and they will give you a few bucks for it. As for Burlen, I find it hard to believe that they can't come up with a pump that can deal with ethanol. The carbs have to deal with ethanol too. If they can't deal with modern fuel, they will have to discontinue almost everything they sell! -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 07:36 AM 8/7/2013, gordies garage wrote: >Here's a link to several fuel pump rebuilders. >http://homepages.donobi.net/sufuelpumps/links.html >I would personally recommend the first on the list, Tom Ball, >330-666-2642 or 330-867-9800 (no website or email). > >Gordie Bird >'62 MGA _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 11:56:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD3942974 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 11:56:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f53.google.com (mail-oa0-f53.google.com [209.85.219.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF93642944 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 11:56:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id k18so3975753oag.40 for ; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 10:55:59 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=AkgTuolBiWNYRZ3+aCwzU+0/axnT3qBniNoC71c4XoQ=; b=l4flMa9ZDiN0Sf5UCfq7d5yvYjbFptVPb0VY8SS0U1tQA1evfff/EWNQ2nuDZUgsGx Drcbq1sQ2D2qXShxFnu8edqpOTC0bZD4TAtgjPq6+X2NEvLFgL2J296NmoJsHq8DF1nD PYXsQ3LtWVP8g2NNnK0wBQlEC/1+5AxEO05j+URiUTvjBxvxtr6QmRUY8qsbT+Ie+Uuv pxe0wNDFAlYnrKpmPXM9pYwo+b8j2JBQ+7YTEP2Iisq3ysyV0pK0vxjyt/2yrnQSPt22 yBg34fp/tcEAmFf/K92sjg7ae1AcYooq/9rCzmLHGQZPb/Bbu1ccXn6zh9KPvvB6RN1H /35g== jv6mr3562370obc.46.1375898159532; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 10:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.42.136 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 10:55:59 -0700 (PDT) References: <201308070730.r777UCOn003109@nlpi176.prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 10:55:59 -0700 From: Richard Ewald To: Max Heim Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] SU fuel pump availability Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net >>I understandably don't have an >> immense amount of faith in it. Isn't that how every MG owner feels about every SU fuel pump? Rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 12:13:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB63428FB for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 12:13:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f51.google.com (mail-pb0-f51.google.com [209.85.160.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB2D40E67 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 12:11:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f51.google.com with SMTP id jt11so2174627pbb.38 for ; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 11:11:13 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=47Qtokk5DMuUVP5PhfahnVrIXYHOKk/lI5wofJp8fDw=; b=J11Ts6TVNges4MdCj4tK25/mq1ct6+ZT3mRLxjaGuaBaU7uVkoK8j/W148HbzAGKZy JcSJTAE5uwDqszoWdLnSQMNF0IWLpI7kwfE9lBU4U2FJGM9shDWqvs7yoIEboJFkB/TQ xW5JBWku1ET8tXRzpmKylVnru3DbOal/j6ahlIGon963DHBz+YzYrOlEN8ZdnxXzQxRi D82Uv9Y5zl3d0WAaprDXw0cSmRLE1QC5SrlyB6no02L80X5wnI9toKTAB1M89hvPvbOH F3YfG4T76Qvycng1L0svxbUzh1+2phknfTIy+GiLmpgNK195APxMPEcMALBqNX5Vk3NZ fyNA== q11mr1886232pag.97.1375899073059; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 11:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lundgren-laptop.familysearch.org (ec2-184-73-197-243.compute-1.amazonaws.com. [184.73.197.243]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id pu5sm11734485pac.21.2013.08.07.11.11.10 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 07 Aug 2013 11:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 12:11:08 -0600 From: Andrew Lundgren User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <5201b24e.8420e00a.2c55.ffffb9cc@mx.google.com> <0MR600D18992Y8Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Subject: Re: [Mgs] SU fuel pump availability Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On my '70 I still have my original SU pump. It is bolted right where it was when it quit working 17 years ago and I bypassed it. The one on the '78 is in the oil pan still... On 08/07/2013 11:41 AM, Steven Trovato wrote: > I agree with Gordie. There are guys out there who rebuild fuel pumps, > and what you end up with is as good as new. If you do replace your > pump and your old one was a genuine SU, don't throw it away. The guys > who do the rebuilding are usually looking for cores and they will give > you a few bucks for it. As for Burlen, I find it hard to believe that > they can't come up with a pump that can deal with ethanol. The carbs > have to deal with ethanol too. If they can't deal with modern fuel, > they will have to discontinue almost everything they sell! > > -Steve Trovato > strovato@optonline.net > > At 07:36 AM 8/7/2013, gordies garage wrote: >> Here's a link to several fuel pump rebuilders. >> http://homepages.donobi.net/sufuelpumps/links.html >> I would personally recommend the first on the list, Tom Ball, >> 330-666-2642 or 330-867-9800 (no website or email). >> >> Gordie Bird >> '62 MGA > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/lundgren@byu.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 14:34:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE786429E1 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:34:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCBB4298C for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:33:34 -0600 (MDT) cv=97PW2gncEfEy/YSu3i0wcK7PNIrIpcw1RraxUDB8BKE= c=1 sm=0 a=KiVbQdkf6L0A:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=IikOYOgYSHhzwtHVVqwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=nIy_GdkInzgA:10 a=ThFSvlAwhNoA:10 a=lpooRlGsCO5xwuJYj7BuIw==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.29.98] ([72.172.29.98:49466] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 35/04-13603-C1FA2025; Wed, 07 Aug 2013 16:33:32 -0400 Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 15:33:25 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <5201b24e.8420e00a.2c55.ffffb9cc@mx.google.com> <0MR600D18992Y8Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <52028DBC.8090109@byu.net> Subject: Re: [Mgs] SU fuel pump availability Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net All, Just for info, a midget pump can be used for a stock MGB engine. Soon after I bought my present B I discovered that a PO had substituted a Midget pump into the car in order to provide clearance for a standard group 24 battery. CR _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 15:06:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 827D442A73 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 15:06:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp152.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp152.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF8DA42A0F for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 15:06:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp55.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 686122E04E3; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 17:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp55.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: don-AT-napanet.net) with ESMTPSA id DB1062E0501; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 17:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 14:06:20 -0700 To: mgs@autox.team.net From: Don References: <5201b24e.8420e00a.2c55.ffffb9cc@mx.google.com> <0MR600D18992Y8Y0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <52028DBC.8090109@byu.net> <5202AF15.1050705@ktc.com> Subject: [Mgs] SU fuel pump availability Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 8 04:03:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE94042BDC for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 04:03:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-4.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-4.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE7042A5D for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 03:57:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-4-imp with bizsmtp id A9xU1m00C4LtS42019xUEd; Thu, 08 Aug 2013 10:57:28 +0100 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=b2IHubjZlA0A:10 a=Cp3YDbkRXCGZbS46mqMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Peter Schauss" , References: <5201b24e.8420e00a.2c55.ffffb9cc@mx.google.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 10:56:06 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] SU fuel pump availability Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net It's a bit garbled but the response I got from Burlen is that they have supplied 200+ back orders this week and will have cleared them by the end of August. This is following a coil problem last year as well as with diaphragms and ethanol more recently, the latter using a new material now. Doesn't bode well for the hundreds of thousands of existing pumps out there! PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >I tried to order a new fuel pump for my MGB from Moss and found that both > the standard and the electronic versions are on indefinite backorder. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 8 10:16:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3AD42F7C for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 10:16:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f50.google.com (mail-vb0-f50.google.com [209.85.212.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B29842C6D; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 10:15:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f50.google.com with SMTP id x14so3342793vbb.37 for ; Thu, 08 Aug 2013 09:15:49 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fS79d3AQ145GEOgQjMEb1q7mJ+mA7J2dGx+GkAHnUdM=; b=gqHfXnaZGj3kIubcLDvGTb+sMDVm33uqJnW+MjzQlgSZID6byoD1YZ5JgYaLSA+y2Q PtP5ndUKsWTf6KG7q2qWIpJVDgfRoCo0tL7sLYhUqyXtfomfn1PCgZn+kRsz/mrO/7/k y2guXbYpH8u7krl8AAC4LdFc8kBEhO8O7UJ0X1zFiYTILI5RF0p1cZ5sUmbmViZ8PW8I ibFmLh+S7gyl2diqrRWG0dXlEX3lrYdjz8Gl2gpCtHXDtAcDV4BVZDMpM6843CjcSV+S RcSlZ4vY9jJVPfp2RqjrbwYj3S01lo3NKPk+yzp+ELmBkwD5esYuCdyza2VsnwqE6qvt skBA== Thu, 08 Aug 2013 09:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.59.1.66 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 09:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 11:15:48 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net, "mgs@autox.team.net List" , Rui Gigante Subject: [Mgs] TD continuing work... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends, Just a tiny update today. I've not been in the garage too much lately. Been babysitting our grandson. Priorities, you see. :-) First up today is work on the waterpump. In this picture, I have just removed the pulley. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130806_093759.jpg Here's the pulley, fully cleaned and primered (still wet). http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130806_100056.jpg Here's the pulley, now painted red and ready for installation on the new waterpump. In the background of the picture is a new thermostat, also freshly painted engine color. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130808_104913.jpg After that work was finished, I decided to remove the distributor for restoration. Before removal, I took this picture, just for reference. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130806_100244.jpg Here is the breaker plate, as removed. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130807_072401.jpg It has now been cleaned and the new parts are sitting in their boxes awaiting installation. The rest of the distributor has been cleaned, measured and lubricated. Here's a look at the distributor, not so much of a glamour shot but one revealing the numbers. Its ready for new points, condenser, rotor and reinstallation. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130807_072413.jpg And over on the workbench is the stabilizer link, awaiting cleanup and refinishing. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130807_074341.jpg And just to show the magnitude of the cleaning needed before the fun, technical work can begin, here's how things look. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130806_100310.jpg And that picture of the engine, included above, shows the degree of MESS that results from this kind of work. One might find this trivial but I work in a home garage, and that means there is big risk of tracking grease, oil and dirt into the house. That just can't happen so I must stop work and clean. Such is life. regards, -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 8 12:53:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE8F4308B for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 12:53:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f44.google.com (mail-vb0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8476A42F44; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 12:53:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id e13so3526575vbg.17 for ; Thu, 08 Aug 2013 11:53:07 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3nAF3gQD4lG/dPC/tA6bEJZzw4Q4GUAKXHT8Vvu3UhM=; b=LneWjXmTNKXcRSV6yopoVTaYNyBWbpPjV+g/MFB9fsuoE20YwNE8stshW+f5gNiJQy pnOWLlSJGHw9KsyDAOWOT0JoHKC/63tfHOrEEbnbXuHweN01e1AkULZ5QrAX2r5rxr7B pTzei5h5tEQYEXdPqhnAnYJO5nj78MDAHoZbNZc76zpTyRaG+c6CEADPGLNccc38mkJr QYQviyeDC7EOkEIUCyY1zGJQyAGiwqjMrVomkWaP/UnIMdY4zLYdzuIFP63WXRyhUNY1 sxxS/UIL054cmgk7kHD0QcqMxASRLKgA5dxbuORnm4CVgFxxk8PZrv27Ua05Akc8qwQJ ghIg== Thu, 08 Aug 2013 11:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.59.1.66 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 11:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 13:53:06 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mgs] Yet another step forward... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, Today I worked the frame a little further forward. I also finished the brake master cylinder. The fluid is clean and clear, but will be flushed. And I have cleaned most of the gearbox and bell housing in preparation for paint. Here are a couple of pictures. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130808_132531.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130808_132631.jpg Yet to finish is the rest of the gearbox and the passenger side frame. I'll them move on to the engine, working down so gravity helps in grime removal. The goal is to get everything clean and refinished so I can pop the head back on and do a compression test. The cylinder walls are beautiful so I hope to, 'Diagnose before surgery.' -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 10 12:52:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFA043D06 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 12:52:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f181.google.com (mail-ob0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E61C4438BB; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 12:49:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f181.google.com with SMTP id dn14so7387404obc.26 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 11:49:24 -0700 (PDT) h=date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:cc:reply-to:mime-version :content-type; bh=sgkUM2aiWPQf0v6Q0F/vhOQ9oG+Iow8KiN5ISyreKps=; b=ZPjWGZbIMUVsxKsAch/DmrFQcwY1RjqlKdOoCptaioq1V6SJ1g1lCEHeLEo+SyTdb9 5I947hG+ycYieNzxurGErZoWn5dOnv+7yBBU3lOGnarybzISF1Apz/6NmJ6/tYwDvAHW gQixIevmZ39im1ZooTpqgc04dlG+rGC6V4eVNEVTMnONdxkuMMudTYPJnCXitCmEDPA0 GZs9E1mXeZPX6D4bnsbe61T74XfL1Mdub+ddHB65D2YoDgX6RNWvbFqrbaInNx0eU3/T WJoMhKXeUBcoJFOHpMlaOaBwMajmkDk3sdrjjJD0z5xyEdn3q9et7gpfntYV4U1VPjEI ZFuw== cf2mr2171588obc.45.1376160564671; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 11:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (107-192-134-236.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.134.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id xq2sm25030294obc.12.2013.08.10.11.49.23 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 10 Aug 2013 11:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 13:49:20 -0500 From: Rick Lindsay To: wbeech@flash.net Cc: mgs@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] HOT! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net > Nice shop,... Thanks. > ...what's that little black thing taking up space in the background? Daily driver; '08 Porsche Cayman -rick Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 10 13:21:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCCDB43D2A for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 13:21:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9BE438B9 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 13:16:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.72]) by qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B72T1m0071ZXKqc5E7GEqT; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:16:14 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:2601:5:1dc0:15:65fd:5141:4d3e:223e] ([IPv6:2601:5:1dc0:15:65fd:5141:4d3e:223e]) by omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B7GD1m00c2psHff3h7GD2a; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:16:14 +0000 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 12:16:01 -0700 From: Glenn Schnittke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: s=q20121106; t=1376162174; bh=99QgIZ80n7pDO5GqzG5tg3Yo/DCK5m7sJi+7OEneklE=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=kZeNxqbuwzg8EKcVGE3pI4xX5O/pBNkRoLJPj+8bBS+jpVn+PncDkMXR7a+ufsE7Y Lt99OZoNxwCVS6lOeAyTea52K/ZTm2+krXiJCXnuolB69M4NTjs6yxh0N8gSwXuNLT I/8HtQQhrB+xxFbm9QWjy+TQwAHsOCDSz4FAQJ6U99G2PnE5oeYMWtx7vdIgmuDp9P lyHJhmUWbmLPFbBpttEa/qyOOyKD5CGO4GfhbI/KU4Lsjw3Xmqnww9oneBpOvqlWPx mK0lBFhMukrh4qKZgSPQUohoYRB2at6NKjJa20T2rularzwaIqyO8XJmhyK9/KLOtF 8rxoVW1HBPapA== Subject: Re: [Mgs] SU fuel pump availability Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net As for the hundreds of thousands out there now, I'd have to say that "most" of them are probably fine in terms of ethanol compatibility and the older the better. When I got the '67 redcar ten or twelve years ago, it had what appeared to be the original on it. When it died it didn't leak - the points just gave out. I had four more in the binand it was easier to swap out than rebuild, so I took one from the XJ6 stash and threw it in. It's been running fine every day for the past two or three years, no prob with ethanol. The two in the XJ don't show any trouble other than me not finding a suitable groundand they were new eight years ago. However, we've had a fair amount of customers that have had them replaced over the past few yearsthey have been problems, so my guess is that at some point Burlen changed materials in the wrong direction. I'm glad they're addressing the problem - it's not like classic cars aren't their prime market or anything like that. <;^) Regarding compatibility between cars, Id have to say that it's more a matter of plumbing and mounting than anything else. Glenn On 8/8/2013 11:00 AM, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 10:56:06 +0100 > From: "PaulHunt73" > To: "Peter Schauss", > Subject: Re: [Mgs] SU fuel pump availability > Message-ID: <303D7BDB4CA54EC6B22CB0106366D5A6@paul> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > It's a bit garbled but the response I got from Burlen is that they have > supplied 200+ back orders this week and will have cleared them by the end of > August. This is following a coil problem last year as well as with > diaphragms and ethanol more recently, the latter using a new material now. > Doesn't bode well for the hundreds of thousands of existing pumps out there! > > PaulH. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 11:28:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 653D140334 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:28:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7884240321 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:07:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews29.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.195]) by cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 13 Aug 2013 19:07:23 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT102.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.18]) by cpsps-ews29.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 13 Aug 2013 19:07:23 +0200 Received: from PolderPC ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT102.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Tue, 13 Aug 2013 19:07:23 +0200 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 19:07:25 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac6YR3+iKtuxmxu5Qpi3KPzhBxnW/A== Content-Language: nl FILETIME=[9422ED60:01CE9847] Subject: [Mgs] MG's parking problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net What a pity of those nice MG's. http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130812065952-206580-big-idea-so lves-parking-problem Cheers, Hans '71 BGT _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 15:40:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0E640358 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 15:40:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826C640329 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 15:35:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-115.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.115]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r7DLZod8003296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:35:52 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:35:42 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: Flasher unit Thread-Index: Ac6YbQ+LZ+nVPQxSzkOIR59qsH6auw== Subject: [Mgs] Flasher unit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net OK, I give up -- where is the flasher unit located on a Mk.1 MGB? The manual doesn't give any hints about the physical location, and for once the Moss catalog doesn't have a handy illustration. If I ever knew, I've forgotten, and I'm not seeing it up under the dash. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 16:49:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1951403DE for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:49:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F6E640333 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:48:54 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1376434132; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=Q/Xj1A931jkDeIN74Lv2S2cD9Kpls3ZDAxVu49os5cg/ulAKTz4Qw2vTUJ8dR+nzk nYIByT9RYERH81fsuFGbmVAoZBEtM7RnBAaTFAMEK5JBua6xOqmeybj6IePKKNUFJc oKOm1c530aE4UMYwPyMoqDKHQsr3k7yWanu08PQc= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.101]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABKAXP8TAPNTLFS for (sender ); Tue, 13 Aug 2013 15:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 22:47:35 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 22:47:35 GMT To: mvheim@sonic.net Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Flasher unit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On the bulkhead, over passenger's right knee. It can be cylindrical, like most flashers, or a cube that fits into a holder. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Max Heim To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] Flasher unit Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:35:42 -0700 OK, I give up -- where is the flasher unit located on a Mk.1 MGB? The manual doesn't give any hints about the physical location, and for once the Moss catalog doesn't have a handy illustration. If I ever knew, I've forgotten, and I'm not seeing it up under the dash. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 14 01:54:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83CA5403E2 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 01:54:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-3.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-3.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06018403A8 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 01:48:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-3-imp with bizsmtp id CXog1m00Q4LtS4201XoggH; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 08:48:40 +0100 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=WUOPZwXVxFUA:10 a=noOKNr7TvDj7M7Ar1PcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 From: "PaulHunt73" To: References: <20130813.184735.3170.0@webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 08:36:07 +0100 Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Flasher unit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Almost certainly 3-wire cylindrical on a Mk1 unless it has been replaced with a later 2-wire cube or modern electronic. The third wire on the original is not an earth like it is on modern electronic flashers, but is used to flash the tell-tales on the dash in conjunction with a flasher switch that has an additional set of contacts. You can use a more recent 2-pin, or a modern electronic 3-pin, by joining the light-green/yellow and light-green/blue wires to the green/red and green/white wires at the bullets by the steering column, although the original 3-pin surprisingly doesn't seem to be any more expensive than the alternatives. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > On the bulkhead, over passenger's right knee. > It can be cylindrical, like most flashers, or a cube that fits into a > holder. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 14 01:54:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE30A403EB for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 01:54:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-3.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-3.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C25F403BB for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 01:48:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-3-imp with bizsmtp id CXog1m00Q4LtS4201XoggL; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 08:48:40 +0100 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=Fn6MDTVge0wA:10 a=jU4qhlNgAAAA:8 a=cpmD35h-apmef0q1AxgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=RJ9ZwYoF-SwA:10 a=bH29lla3jg4A:10 a=BCPl3ZiKhSgA:10 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Hans Duinhoven" , References: <004e01ce9847$955b6d60$c0124820$@planet.nl> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 08:39:18 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG's parking problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Never work in the UK, people would nick or burst the balloons. ----- Original Message ----- > http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130812065952-206580-big-idea-solves-parking-problem _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 14 10:57:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF60403EE for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:57:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f171.google.com (mail-ie0-f171.google.com [209.85.223.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CBA2403DB for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:56:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 10so13136581ied.16 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 09:56:40 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Sm1KYvnghm8lk6OU32srD4e1Epi8rlDfPHi0HE4zYFo=; b=WYZOZiRHcHC4y877Z+JMmcKWN43JqE6Ldz0+xJI9v8d6OdcnzUyuVkXS/qynpWisFU 9wosYMS31IW1X4ewPqq4SeOi8dv1FRvkgxygNWSCWIkQ0A/Y7vmOMRvd080TTvnVXcsa AaERUzhZldbj/NjeW9HEKhndAsEPUm2fqCovd7l695L0TeVGtCwu7zIRGV1tdeckCyr9 U9qgWkUu5dmSnJwwSNDJbuswkB0NIt9cTSl1gBvWU0/fcY7OeUZsvNQ7DszYyECfbtS2 qP4gPQfxt6A1+oyF3zfx4Ym4XBeIVcQhEz1Oj6At412sr/yYfHzG8fqQ5yzF4XUazDAw 3wxw== Wed, 14 Aug 2013 09:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.214.41 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 09:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 12:56:40 -0400 From: Peter Schauss To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] German replacement for an SU fuel pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to everyone who responded to my post about the problems I was having finding a replacement SU fuel pump. The German pump which I bought from British Car Specialists turned out to be made by Hardi. Installation was straightforward except that the body of the pump, where it goes through the large rubber grommet in forward bulkhead between the rear axle and the trunk, was a bit smaller than the SU. I had to add a couple of rubber strips to make it fit tightly. In addition, I had to make a short jumper to ground the negative terminal because it is on the end of the pump which sits in the trunk instead of on the pump body and the existing ground wire, which is underneath the car would not reach. The pump came with adapters in the intake and output ports with the the proper threads to connect to the existing pipe/hose fittings. It did not come with the gaskets or o-rings for these fittings, so I had to cut a couple of gaskets to fit. The pump seems to work pretty much like the old one except that the thumping noise while it fills up the float bowls is not as loud. Peter Schauss 1980 MGB _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 12:17:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F1A40434 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:17:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail929c35.carrierzone.com (mail929c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.119]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E73403BB for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:17:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from YOURF3E40984A8 (184-157-31-102.dyn.centurytel.net [184.157.31.102]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail929c35.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r7FIHOcK014425 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 18:17:27 GMT From: "David F. Darby" To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:17:24 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac6Z4MshkeDsf0cGTdyuoR8KHnXxPwAAsdfA a=PRST9XZwAcMA:10 a=3WPTVEtZbjMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=bmf6n8bcyq5cnXmBf2hxsw==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=DvYR4oP4-lSMHoGaljkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=R2sBvR3-YKEA:10 a=B0iHnRRB78wA:10 a=xyPCDTJBppEMj8uc:21 a=CpeAhNKrZYyelG6R:21 a=bmf6n8bcyq5cnXmBf2hxsw==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Engine and gearbox clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Keep up the good work Rick. David -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard Lindsay Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 12:56 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net List; mg-t@autox.team.net; Rui Gigante Subject: [Mgs] Engine and gearbox clean Hi Friends, I haven't written much lately but I have been in the garage. Included below are pictures of my TD's engine and gearbox, primered and ready for red paint. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 13:31:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1BC840401 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:31:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB43403F9 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:31:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f169.google.com with SMTP id qd12so1944989ieb.14 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:31:37 -0700 (PDT) h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=WKHQCvUUocIB9gyR+1w5+A1lJvk2q80DPMEbezO6MEY=; b=wxDizsQpVIX1YrQ3a6XeLsNKTKZ/Se9L0pPgG0bd7Ljg/x1632DlxujsB+jTZcqrdd x4+6jR8znphB/G/HBFU1q7sUf5mGxb4DtsKpyW7hBFzDaQAzPVO5jjc0UBwe107LHPDt GzE+O9Pf6x0abMYQYHHQ+sT/GIpZ+uwqlG3DXLIK7uLWIk4yDcS2Fu4kaFWgyfdaecUB rTaiZNKxnBdKjDoh+TpGikR6cdguFRpkv6CehhyUWV/hwYjO6aUPVuSYozbl4bThlrtu IdnPs4G3Rs17oRiw9H5NUZ5f7czimEacA2JJqXyxqUKneEsrom/Y+z97LgeIKgLaoMyS c9Lw== pl2mr2780648igb.55.1376595097589; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.5] (75-168-25-108.mpls.qwest.net. [75.168.25.108]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id y9sm5668784iga.9.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:31:37 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Paul Root Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:30:19 -0500 To: "David F. Darby" Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Engine and gearbox clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Do you suppose if I put my 'B in his garage, he'd take it apart and restore it? He does more in a day than I can get done in a month. On Aug 15, 2013, at 1:17 PM, David F. Darby wrote: > Keep up the good work Rick. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Richard Lindsay > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 12:56 PM > To: mgs@autox.team.net List; mg-t@autox.team.net; Rui Gigante > Subject: [Mgs] Engine and gearbox clean > > Hi Friends, > > I haven't written much lately but I have been in the garage. Included > below are pictures of my TD's engine and gearbox, primered and ready for > red paint. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 14:13:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED0840439 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail940c35.carrierzone.com (mail940c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.130]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387CD40074 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:09:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from YOURF3E40984A8 (184-157-31-102.dyn.centurytel.net [184.157.31.102]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail940c35.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r7FK96IH030174; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 20:09:09 GMT From: "David F. Darby" To: "'Paul Root'" References: <2A0ECB2A-2464-45EA-89FB-43E4D5AED448@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:09:06 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac6Z7g//hxQ+0AvOQqyRfyg/mYTVAQABGj2g a=PRST9XZwAcMA:10 a=3WPTVEtZbjMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=bmf6n8bcyq5cnXmBf2hxsw==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=C2z45e1XA14V5cJG3EcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=bmf6n8bcyq5cnXmBf2hxsw==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Engine and gearbox clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Paul, He is an inspiration. His efforts have taught me that even if I only have 15 or 20 minutes I can go out and get some small task done, and several completed small tasks steadily accrue into larger jobs done--but I still don't have time to photograph them :-) David -----Original Message----- From: Paul Root [mailto:ptrmgb@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 2:30 PM To: David F. Darby Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Engine and gearbox clean Do you suppose if I put my 'B in his garage, he'd take it apart and restore it? He does more in a day than I can get done in a month. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 15 15:02:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63D040527 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:02:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f180.google.com (mail-vc0-f180.google.com [209.85.220.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B2F40401 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:02:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id gf11so856634vcb.25 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:02:44 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=gnyVtZ93hX8kHw6upfos0o0S5psMByKoLticGSIdxv4=; b=CoZLe2MeQJqvyPN3T46jPbGUXxmKrqfitqGxfbJcNVeIfIh6QSm8k31g3BUn+P75QG a5nn13GEze7P5nz6vUa4K+a/TtLb21DXw7divT5R/giytgmxEfkuL1SteflQBt7CDP+r 6L1m1Zn25Y9aMPUImV15xZM7N4BcUINOeBlaspAE/6ytrY61BqLZjwTqFZBQeiPiVKv9 E3BBHnSsasa7d9/EWuhQ4TZH7cvlNwpCVN9W07BS+Sam0FOeX4EaskgesnshuZrxfdEW dNXVslF3ay4GJt2cbHs0xifDUXURZ3qhRaVUv8waEyiheS9lbJrb/Mjg9NobU3axGAzh EdyA== vs6mr1830102veb.32.1376600564337; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.59.1.66 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:02:44 -0700 (PDT) References: <2A0ECB2A-2464-45EA-89FB-43E4D5AED448@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 16:02:44 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: Paul Root Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Engine and gearbox clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net You're too kind. I just love my hobby. Retirement is awesome. On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Paul Root wrote: > Do you suppose if I put my 'B in his garage, he'd take it apart and restore > it? > > He does more in a day than I can get done in a month. > > On Aug 15, 2013, at 1:17 PM, David F. Darby wrote: > > > Keep up the good work Rick. > > > > David > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of Richard Lindsay > > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 12:56 PM > > To: mgs@autox.team.net List; mg-t@autox.team.net; Rui Gigante > > Subject: [Mgs] Engine and gearbox clean > > > > Hi Friends, > > > > I haven't written much lately but I have been in the garage. Included > > below are pictures of my TD's engine and gearbox, primered and ready for > > red paint. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 16 09:56:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A65B24053F for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 09:56:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f182.google.com (mail-ve0-f182.google.com [209.85.128.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB1D4052D; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 09:54:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f182.google.com with SMTP id m1so1463438ves.41 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 08:54:47 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=z8IM0fsvD+CoYNrFHJvOiSlbdcS5Kl0Iwa4oCwgwm+Q=; b=kpaPf2miGjUQh2WaTQP978AEo09f5bFl7CW1/a+1YBMTWbGkcMiYFJNMnRB9vsdZ2s szceHAa/S5uekqGwYS4cd6VopIh+3rN16RqcITgicWU4If34V9Q0YMcHofAxt3N0B6k0 ezLnldzNfA6SXH63LQCZHtwqcKGRFJRrugRxhuBhuDznt4IB0vs55pveIkKrJ6j/9GWa N4lpeFxeoz16lQYjRQRotuyGstgADXSumImNt//QXjKnQc2GilsNau1IpU8krYWS8keV X03YYnBy8CcFSLgJQ21COpyBM93mC9uQoo1bcLcCG1PdybM1aQJbL6JVfHupAyg9lGQ3 qL9g== h1mr701803vcz.28.1376668487508; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 08:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.59.1.66 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 08:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 10:54:47 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" , "mgs@autox.team.net List" , Rui Gigante Subject: [Mgs] front engine mount... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hey Friends, This morning I got the TD's engine off of the floor jack and back resting on the front motor mount. In the picture you may notice that the mount is assembled with new bolts. That's not so much for cosmetics as it is to replace the stretched and damaged bolts I took out. Also, the electronic flash makes the paint look orange-red when in fact, it is a darker generic red (although not MGB maroon). http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130816_102622.jpg -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 17 14:00:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4DBF4273D for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 14:00:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f43.google.com (mail-oa0-f43.google.com [209.85.219.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026E0426C2; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 13:59:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id i10so3618608oag.2 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 12:59:56 -0700 (PDT) h=date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:reply-to:mime-version :content-type; bh=KQCvkyAXo0moJ6kQQDb9fCpucSXzZzw8wjZhxbvt97s=; b=S+AtpL03Jl0mgiGHKF1LCy6QhYnjqai3sjxILULdsNRGXcLLfZHVltaKZmaRPHHGAK ptE7rOoaf28nj56zREsHL7Tyjm0Yt3PwnNEDBAUNWqDsU+P6n9fbbkCDmgE/Ic4/k2ff nJdPbuyZ+vPWbAsFm3LXwTlysjY9ZdhJJmxE/QZ/oQdQKLfKmFA+nDzdIJqlezbwyy+U hLDR9AeqORrWVdJ2XfqfpbVpnW6V3qVpHJKYCqWSHtl6loV3Uw3PIiX0gFS9qg/R+tww /E24I9vZcnCjje5S+sPFgSrO3ZEpnO20EpwjgCUsTJS2CuCneoN9uC2fYGdCihAxrdR4 X78A== lj7mr4324522oeb.25.1376769596839; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 12:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (107-192-134-236.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.134.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id rr6sm3875097oeb.0.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 17 Aug 2013 12:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 14:59:53 -0500 From: Rick Lindsay To: mgs@autox.team.net, tr3_diddums@yahoo.com, mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] OT: tr3 for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the off-topic space. A friend really needs to sell his TR3. Car is good and price is right. B Contact Peter at:B tr3_diddums@yahoo.com Thanks for the OT space. -rick Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 08:00:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B8F4271D for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 08:00:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98501403C5 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 08:00:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.130]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 54D587003F60F for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (c-50-163-114-241.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [50.163.114.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 27A93E0000DE for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:00:17 -0400 (EDT) From: John Elwood Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:00:18 -0400 To: MG List x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1376834417; bh=fiCaNLy9p5EFPVAAMS/xAG157MhT7Vr+hrUla2dN9Y4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=ZePLcwmBQqo7aww0500vj+mlhtObaiBPNuVXE8BBG9TsEddXXLbFwfFAKBXSYy+O3 1hmcoAyeu3Cj0tUYEiDsEBHLd54F3QckSbnW7cab/6BSmbrv1WctiD4e9Kp59vlHs7 azf2i79YgIdErD0XUQiS9nXZsrDmn5ELjmKPMVQs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33825210d3717877 Subject: [Mgs] Lucas paddle duckbill bat tab knob toggle handle whatever you call it... Available seperate? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I could have sworn I've seen just the plastic end of common lucas 60s dash switches available separately... And every search term I use comes up with nothing. Am I imagining this was ever available? I busted one on my MG 1100 installing the dash, and I REALLY don't want take the whole dash out again. -John _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 14:07:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A426142736 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:07:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70979403F1 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:07:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id EJdZ1m0061ei1Bg5EL7dlZ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 20:07:37 +0000 Received: from stargate ([98.250.57.52]) by omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id EL7a1m00W17cZ1N3kL7akM; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 20:07:37 +0000 From: "gordies garage" To: "MG List" References: <069AAA24-2BED-4704-8E27-8C937611A3FF@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:07:40 -0400 s=q20121106; t=1376856457; bh=TGNQtc5RK49ijJ3CnHNEfr1K3RskDfdJgznSyyN9o+c=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pZkxi9AW2szR7ESxLKfF/4zy8L0MetLV7174Xrm0Fpn7NGRJsrGLO7bjP4FzNZDjy z+nFWtO+VbNqFv6VsbL36tZ5cBEkIF8NBFectgp2zp6bSZ92CVomeLWqEHeJniB+lk 2weeZgFS3FhkFOAz29ZbCfr7uK7JmAPh27z8NkGzGh0Pnaem8CdB6ghQCpFFdQGf4m Lr9hc7XMeerpetEGkdcCboOSBcx48PGYzaB6Bmy3qbHrH1LQeOYFAVuzHmncQ84KRl tyC1rMpsw0MgXI3eWbwM+TTW9geI2D45mHEQvOVARFZltLI53ff7YoGe5kSlqMGpZp ZkQx7WFD4vkSA== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Lucas paddle duckbill bat tab knob toggle handle whatever you call it... Available seperate? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I recall a switch, the likes of which you may be describing in my old '67 BGT. It was the electric overdrive switch. Maybe that will help you find it. Gordie '62 MGA -------------------------------------------------- From: "John Elwood" Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 10:00 AM To: "MG List" Subject: [Mgs] Lucas paddle duckbill bat tab knob toggle handle whatever you call it... Available seperate? > I could have sworn I've seen just the plastic end of common lucas 60s dash > switches available separately... And every search term I use comes up > with > nothing. Am I imagining this was ever available? I busted one on my MG > 1100 > installing the dash, and I REALLY don't want take the whole dash out > again. > -John /options/mgs/mg_garage@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 16:07:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1A040541 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:07:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from dub0-omc4-s13.dub0.hotmail.com (dub0-omc4-s13.dub0.hotmail.com [157.55.2.88]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15C7D40334 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:05:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DUB117-W84 ([157.55.2.73]) by dub0-omc4-s13.dub0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:05:29 -0700 From: Windows Live Team To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:05:29 +0000 FILETIME=[0D0F5D60:01CE9C5F] Subject: [Mgs] mgb connecting rods Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi. I'm going to build a hot street engine for MGBGT. I have a new set of pistons that fit a 1965 to 1970. My question is which connecting rod is better the earlier diaginal split one or the later horizonal spit one, and can I use the later 18V rods with these pistons. Thanks in advance. Lorne Fritz _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 02:12:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1B8403C8 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 02:12:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-3.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-3.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D652B40356 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 02:12:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-3-imp with bizsmtp id EYCK1m00A4LtS4201YCKzb; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:12:19 +0100 a=432PUM5x8fwA:10 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=iVBeVdD1SqoA:10 a=vt4ZzaklPcRNoGLbhigA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "John Elwood" , "MG List" References: <069AAA24-2BED-4704-8E27-8C937611A3FF@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:09:43 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Lucas paddle duckbill bat tab knob toggle handle whatever you call it... Available seperate? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Never seen just that part available, even in a period Lucas catalogue. I somehow caught my MGB overdrive switch getting out one day and broke the handle off many years ago, but there was enough of a suitable area to apply Araldite to and it's been fine ever since. Another option might be to carefully cut off and drill out the lever of another switch. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >I could have sworn I've seen just the plastic end of common lucas 60s dash > switches available separately... And every search term I use comes up > with > nothing. Am I imagining this was ever available? I busted one on my MG > 1100 > installing the dash, and I REALLY don't want take the whole dash out > again. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 07:58:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB8B42709 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:58:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from theta.look.ca (theta.look.ca [216.66.192.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A400403B9 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:54:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e120-pool-d89a44c0.brdbnd.telnetcommunications.com ([216.154.68.192] helo=Barrie-PC.look.ca) by theta.look.ca with esmtpa (user vectis@look.ca)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VBPvX-0004Wk-0C; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:55:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:25:56 -0400 To: "PaulHunt73" , "John Elwood" ,"MG List" From: Barrie Robinson References: <069AAA24-2BED-4704-8E27-8C937611A3FF@aol.com> <2509EB802AA94566AF3CC4E1CE811292@paul> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Lucas paddle duckbill bat tab knob toggle handle whatever you call it... Available seperate? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Paul, Are you talking about the Lucas 400E catalogue ? I have it and it is very useful. I got perfect copies of the MGB switches from some place in Europe. I think it was European Spares??? They may have the paddle duckbill bat tab knob toggle handled switch but unfortunately I cannot find the URL - but will look At 09:09 AM 19/08/2013 +0100, PaulHunt73 wrote: >Never seen just that part available, even in a period Lucas >catalogue. I somehow caught my MGB overdrive switch getting out one >day and broke the handle off many years ago, but there was enough of >a suitable area to apply Araldite to and it's been fine ever >since. Another option might be to carefully cut off and drill out >the lever of another switch. > >PaulH. > >----- Original Message ----- >>I could have sworn I've seen just the plastic end of common lucas 60s dash >>switches available separately... And every search term I use comes up with >>nothing. Am I imagining this was ever available? I busted one on my MG 1100 >>installing the dash, and I REALLY don't want take the whole dash out again. >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca Regards, Barrie Barrie Robinson MGB GT V8 in concours condition Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII under restoration www.AMFClub.com www.britcot.com www.vectisgroup.ca barrie@look.ca Barrie, Ontario 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 16:12:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B696403EC for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 16:12:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CEBE40338 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 16:11:58 -0600 (MDT) cv=pIZ85ehrZgv/tT24QorlXoDi5y/kGdSKcofkoCxXl9w= c=1 sm=0 a=KiVbQdkf6L0A:10 a=2xcnBjsQLIgA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=aRoO--K9SIgyY7cWRREA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=a9U/b9BLh50QExAj3TkCdw==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [151.213.155.27] ([151.213.155.27:50609] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 3A/49-27903-C2892125; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:11:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 17:11:53 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: Windows Live Team References: Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] mgb connecting rods Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a good question. When I built the engine in my B, I used HC pistons and the diagonal split rods in a 18V block, with the '67 stock cam profile. If I was putting together a hot street engine, I'd check the weight of the two kinds of rods and go with the lighter ones. CR On 8/18/2013 5:05 PM, Windows Live Team wrote: > Hi. I'm going to build a hot street engine for MGBGT. I have a new set of > pistons that fit a 1965 to 1970. My question is which connecting rod is better > the earlier diaginal split one or the later horizonal spit one, and can I use > the later 18V rods with these pistons. Thanks in advance. Lorne Fritz > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 17:06:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC67040411 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 17:06:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D000400A5 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 17:06:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-196.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r7JN6fJc030854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 16:06:44 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 16:05:24 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] mgb connecting rods Thread-Index: Ac6dMJXyvza9lA6SW0exvD/88mTrqg== Subject: Re: [Mgs] mgb connecting rods Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I would expect them to weigh the same, unless the crank changed as well. And then they would need to be matched to the correct crank. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 8/19/13 3:11 PM, Charley & Peggy Robinson at ccrobins@ktc.com wrote: > This is a good question. When I built the engine in my B, I used HC > pistons and the diagonal split rods in a 18V block, with the '67 stock > cam profile. If I was putting together a hot street engine, I'd check > the weight of the two kinds of rods and go with the lighter ones. > > CR > > > On 8/18/2013 5:05 PM, Windows Live Team wrote: >> Hi. I'm going to build a hot street engine for MGBGT. I have a new set of >> pistons that fit a 1965 to 1970. My question is which connecting rod is >> better >> the earlier diaginal split one or the later horizonal spit one, and can I use >> the later 18V rods with these pistons. Thanks in advance. Lorne Fritz _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 17:46:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182B640541 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 17:46:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4978E40323 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 17:43:16 -0600 (MDT) cv=mOutQjS8cA+RiwbnZ0xzQ5Rk4tKrU8/wqwWkxk6fMEA= c=1 sm=0 a=KiVbQdkf6L0A:10 a=2xcnBjsQLIgA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=n4XJnzEfkpGqu-gpV0cA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=a9U/b9BLh50QExAj3TkCdw==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [151.213.155.27] ([151.213.155.27:51609] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id CD/AF-14823-68DA2125; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:43:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:43:00 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: Max Heim References: Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] mgb connecting rods Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hmmm, Maybe you should research the subject. CR On 8/19/2013 6:05 PM, Max Heim wrote: > I would expect them to weigh the same, unless the crank changed as well. And > then they would need to be matched to the correct crank. > > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > > > on 8/19/13 3:11 PM, Charley & Peggy Robinson at ccrobins@ktc.com wrote: > >> This is a good question. When I built the engine in my B, I used HC >> pistons and the diagonal split rods in a 18V block, with the '67 stock >> cam profile. If I was putting together a hot street engine, I'd check >> the weight of the two kinds of rods and go with the lighter ones. >> >> CR >> >> >> On 8/18/2013 5:05 PM, Windows Live Team wrote: >>> Hi. I'm going to build a hot street engine for MGBGT. I have a new set of >>> pistons that fit a 1965 to 1970. My question is which connecting rod is >>> better >>> the earlier diaginal split one or the later horizonal spit one, and can I use >>> the later 18V rods with these pistons. Thanks in advance. Lorne Fritz > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 18:08:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD85403DF for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:08:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7028E403C8 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:08:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-196.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r7K08HDm008596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 17:08:18 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 17:08:08 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] mgb connecting rods Thread-Index: Ac6dOVl3sa05c3U4YEmZLkdZFXFAPA== Subject: Re: [Mgs] mgb connecting rods Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Ha, I'm not the one building the engine. But it's just a fact that the rotating assembly needs to be balanced. If you take weight off the piston/wristpin/rod assembly, you have to balance that by taking weight off the crankshaft counterweights. Unless you want to just pile weights on the external balancer and let the crank whip around viciously. So my guess, given the innate conservatism of the works engineers, would be that the internal components stayed the same weight throughout the production run. But, I haven't looked it up. So my advice to Lorne would be the same as yours -- research these parts thoroughly to ensure one isn't putting together an unworkable hybrid. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 8/19/13 4:43 PM, Charley & Peggy Robinson at ccrobins@ktc.com wrote: > Hmmm, > > Maybe you should research the subject. > > CR > On 8/19/2013 6:05 PM, Max Heim wrote: >> I would expect them to weigh the same, unless the crank changed as well. And >> then they would need to be matched to the correct crank. >> >> >> -- >> >> Max Heim >> '66 MGB GHN3L76149 >> If you're near Menlo Park, CA, >> it's the primer red one with chrome wires >> >> >> >> on 8/19/13 3:11 PM, Charley & Peggy Robinson at ccrobins@ktc.com wrote: >> >>> This is a good question. When I built the engine in my B, I used HC >>> pistons and the diagonal split rods in a 18V block, with the '67 stock >>> cam profile. If I was putting together a hot street engine, I'd check >>> the weight of the two kinds of rods and go with the lighter ones. >>> >>> CR >>> >>> >>> On 8/18/2013 5:05 PM, Windows Live Team wrote: >>>> Hi. I'm going to build a hot street engine for MGBGT. I have a new set >>>> of >>>> pistons that fit a 1965 to 1970. My question is which connecting rod is >>>> better >>>> the earlier diaginal split one or the later horizonal spit one, and can I >>>> use >>>> the later 18V rods with these pistons. Thanks in advance. Lorne >>>> Fritz _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 20:10:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA0F403EB for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 20:10:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f174.google.com (mail-ob0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31DF403D8 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 20:10:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f174.google.com with SMTP id wd6so6334517obb.5 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:10:46 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=nSn/yqksqtG5fzaAh391B6heWn9h9CX2JSVK9IoEcTM=; b=YlvviTD0PILEo22wHIpg7WpfRnJ4vLMDgEH/UWIBdxGaWYsK59NYMfEZoKS+grXEJe MLClB7iaXqa0gMwmk1/vhHW095HGw8zxmfQ4nt6akEFL2D2G4BwsBxYtjfOVD3YnTDYW nb2rQqARSuDfxFr4gxJONj1QlJCMZj4DjLg3evjwI9P60loKO63d/U4UwYUXqhyOFr/1 KNWa2XTNK+KOEBcENkUpZtV8+NQbvddMkIXD5pc7mlTcxhU9odfG3VoVxgl0DSOaVkH0 zTzpyZgXVa9gL2UkoYpGcNvt2wj6MyFS6m/uGSFQ7owgw0Pxxsdnh5nVZB9SqYd+wtVy TjGQ== nt2mr9626674obc.44.1376964646535; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.145.196 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:10:46 -0700 (PDT) References: <5212AD84.7050004@ktc.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:10:46 -0700 From: Richard Ewald To: Max Heim Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] mgb connecting rods Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net for what's it worth, on one B engine I built the piston and rod assemblies were massively out of balance when the machine shop went to balance them. Invest in a scale and match the rods and pistons to get all the weights as close as possible, or send the whole mess out and get it balanced. Rick On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Max Heim wrote: > Ha, I'm not the one building the engine. But it's just a fact that the > rotating assembly needs to be balanced. If you take weight off the > piston/wristpin/rod assembly, you have to balance that by taking weight off > the crankshaft counterweights. Unless you want to just pile weights on the > external balancer and let the crank whip around viciously. > > So my guess, given the innate conservatism of the works engineers, would be > that the internal components stayed the same weight throughout the > production run. But, I haven't looked it up. > > So my advice to Lorne would be the same as yours -- research these parts > thoroughly to ensure one isn't putting together an unworkable hybrid. > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 20 09:27:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508B0403EE for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:27:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BC6403D7 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:20:24 -0600 (MDT) cv=97PW2gncEfEy/YSu3i0wcK7PNIrIpcw1RraxUDB8BKE= c=1 sm=0 a=KiVbQdkf6L0A:10 a=2xcnBjsQLIgA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=7L_87qDSfAAICiGbtHkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=a9U/b9BLh50QExAj3TkCdw==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [151.213.155.27] ([151.213.155.27:53567] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id D2/BA-13603-63983125; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 11:20:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:20:17 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: Richard Ewald References: <5212AD84.7050004@ktc.com> Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] mgb connecting rods Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net When I built the last one I took the new overbore pistons, old rods, block, crank & flywheel to a machine shop in south San Antonio that had a good rep in the performance fraternity of south TX. Those guys knew just what I wanted. I was surprised that the rods didn't need re-sizing. The rods were well matched in weights; after all, they were a set in a apparently factory-built 18GB engine. So I got the block boiled out and bored (didn't need line-boring) to match the pistons, new cam bearings, re-surface the flywheel and "balance the mess." :-) I made several trips down there during this process, a 150 mile round trip, with stop-offs for Tex-Mex food, etc. Took everything home and started putting it all together. I had a great time during this project and it worked out well. BTW, I got most of my parts from George Merryweather of Classic Restorations, a Moss Motors drop shipper. He had great prices! I knew him from NAMGBR, met him at the annual MG GoF at Salado, TX. Anybody remember him? I wonder how he's getting along. CR On 8/19/2013 9:10 PM, Richard Ewald wrote: > for what's it worth, on one B engine I built the piston and rod assemblies > were massively out of balance when the machine shop went to balance them. > Invest in a scale and match the rods and pistons to get all the weights as > close as possible, or send the whole mess out and get it balanced. > Rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 12:21:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D023403F6 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:21:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A5924040C for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:02:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (108-169-4-48.dynamic.dsl.sonic.net [108.169.4.48] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r7LI2pF1029450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:02:54 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:02:47 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: Yay Moss Thread-Index: Ac6emKRb9wS0UujUR0W6mn5PGHjR1g== Subject: [Mgs] Yay Moss Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net In response to some uncharacteristic nagging from my wife (to the effect that the MG's lights were too dim, and it was unsafe to drive at night), I invested in a major lighting upgrade, including a headlight relay kit, H4 halogen headlights, and a complete set of LED exterior lamps. But one component, the last to be installed, turned out to be DOA out of the box -- the electronic flasher unit. When I called Moss about it, they cheerfully said they would send out a replacement immediately, no return required. I thought that was jolly decent of them. So here's a public shout-out for their customer service. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 21 13:06:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B13F403EE for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:06:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f49.google.com (mail-pb0-f49.google.com [209.85.160.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7917E403EE for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:05:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f49.google.com with SMTP id xb4so764626pbc.36 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:05:35 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=aaQf8egmJVHRafbddO83U0I1DsnBpe6G/EEjLN/pWKs=; b=af/oB7KSIMeqPTYjlas6eXavIDXR0eLqbTuIhZucS5Ylieh3LsoJR1Bo8PdoITpsAW 6RfSAkWsq6D1iG5haUSZKwBHH2ynCZJ1hjdEUX1SbkbXcpztxGF6Vviu9px4Mipi9R/W LRjxpHja4K8MRtmC5Wi8gILZ3dxrfk3zf0rztfs18GRufuCa9vC7cyDe3bvka1vMSsiN 5aW0wtLHwRFEsY9HQ0nfbevddcz8TSHnAbD84qJ9rrfXeH1TNt7ZxBvXpNZ9Rms45v+F CTsd2fjLyykLICGJSec5XhXsg9uciVLYQKA6tzmlc7pYmfdbcFduEPyxXRPfL3/Ye5OI UXrw== af12mr11191377pac.23.1377111935304; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lundgren-laptop.familysearch.org (ec2-184-73-197-243.compute-1.amazonaws.com. [184.73.197.243]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ll5sm11721867pab.19.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:05:30 -0600 From: Andrew Lundgren User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 References: Cc: mgb-v8@autox.team.net, mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] Rear bumper for 1970 car Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net There is a '70 rear bumper set on ebay right now. No bids, $25 + $5 shipping. -- Andrew On 08/21/2013 06:43 AM, Barrie Robinson wrote: > Folks, > > A tree came up and damaged the back of my MGB GT and I am looking for > a replacement 1970 rear bumper (Moss Motors part number 454-390) which > is the split bumper style. I will get it re-chromed so condition is > not important except structurally correct. Anyone have one they can > let me have? > > Regards, > Barrie > > Barrie Robinson > MGB GT V8 in concours condition (now dinged!) > Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII under restoration > www.AMFClub.com > www.britcot.com > www.vectisgroup.ca > barrie@look.ca > Barrie, Ontario > 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ > > Mgb-v8@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgb-v8/lundgren@byu.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 22 04:57:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E7B403FB for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 04:57:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm18-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.138]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F9A40334 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 04:56:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.143] by nm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2013 10:56:42 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.208] by tm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2013 10:56:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2013 10:56:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 49633 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2013 10:56:42 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377169001; bh=GOpAndacx3959RyPafHy422jJ6t/ozKt3heBY50Fsv0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=D8IPeRG2ABISTeSDjVlqwYW0r4cYqItClVA0z4B1xXYzAYQGi99onvTKCO+bKZmT5TnxsrvCvaTKpVmKGF8iiNBbkw1QMO9AKyuOHwqg7DjsDFDUKfiRpE5m5J5Wwl1gDD9OLAzh1eg85jhZ+l2MQdLUV5K1Va9/mzCMvACuKKY= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mVrDeIzQerNXwmzX2C8++of2hrIc1KtKA0xU6tIx1vw2VTau2xwU0JFUKbk8v/ncIGT47QpXck3tSVDdthxNDCct1d/kvgQ6WKcZqNULiRQGN/HMwig+lH6iEz7CwgfVLAu5UmJaumR99mi57pwjEy5YNLl+he+z/RxneL6V8Ts=; jcoNKGPYoWrbA7HUU4GSqILoz0kDQ7K1YmEgPAxvud6zgATDF_YnQUF5qh8s 4R2L5qVxwkTmXKVj8.WKTgxaVo2vWlUy5_FmGsndTN0qT2LYTb8vZTfaTwPc q9rmtivR7VIxBGCOWDzZcRwEWf6paGfSI0VIVHbMss8KV0kiyXT6Yq9qavVe OUlpPyI38ktymhk.rgZ8WKwi2RT2r2vFNhTL8cLW5n5jkE3n54iotMk0F2wK n6iedB25BekZzH92Bv9.CWk2r._OkpqTgtWrmlzhWETC8VQBaJ.XElJXHtWQ CUFjUXu74nOoSnHKlft0bQQujS.odpxn4upbXxTiSOhaL62pcOIOThUVEQ.e o25X53pC039AbL6XJ99UwAJM5SFbgnIW7.m1o0LCSPTp.YP8Wd4xyxQzk1y6 hbT0MHxdvyhl9VWX2SKtRpk.7kHj7EwE1y_zaz7QeSgJ4wjLcYVNDxzBFDu1 YPsK__Y5wPV.VuGjs3MXaKCJxuY6sxk6m5Fhs9qI.lAlCyX6tUDGyfGINm7K KxcfRmAK5UduSqUHQ18UNSobAMrtlpGPx Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 03:56:41 PDT TGlrZS4KCkRhbiBECic3NkIsICc2NUIKQ2VudHJhbCBOSiBVU0EKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogTWF4IEhlaW0gPG12aGVpbUBzb25pYy5uZXQ.ClRvOiBNRyBMaXN0IDxtZ3NAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ.IApTZW50OiBXZWRuZXNkYXksIEF1Z3VzdCAyMSwgMjAxMyAyOjAyIFBNClN1YmplY3Q6IFtNZ3NdIFlheSBNb3NzCiAKCkluIHJlc3BvbnNlIHRvIHNvbWUgdW5jaGFyYWN0ZXJpc3RpYyBuYWdnaW5nIGZyb20gbXkgd2lmZSAodG8gdGhlIGVmZmVjdAp0aGF0IHQBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 03:56:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Max Heim , MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Yay Moss Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Like. Dan D '76B, '65B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Max Heim To: MG List Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:02 PM Subject: [Mgs] Yay Moss In response to some uncharacteristic nagging from my wife (to the effect that the MG's lights were too dim, and it was unsafe to drive at night), I invested in a major lighting upgrade, including a headlight relay kit, H4 halogen headlights, and a complete set of LED exterior lamps. But one component, the last to be installed, turned out to be DOA out of the box -- the electronic flasher unit. When I called Moss about it, they cheerfully said they would send out a replacement immediately, no return required. I thought that was jolly decent of them. So here's a public shout-out for their customer service. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 23 12:20:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D544297A for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 12:20:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f48.google.com (mail-oa0-f48.google.com [209.85.219.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71AB942853; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 12:15:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id o17so1140173oag.7 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 11:15:56 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=date:message-id:importance:from:to:reply-to:mime-version :content-type; bh=U7Dp14lh3w5Wn2MWiBuB9b73li8aduHCqMDM+s0zci4=; b=pJevUCJUoRu7MvJgu1LAyAYgnkYj7JtunSWyhu4QN0omMSqMqk/MsU76IpGBY/lS7n Pu9xUr+uDzHn3off8DYVzK5eYh1UIRGVKhvqUZbZGSwY6gT25PiHS+ERq5qwaPnpOU8Q a/TIbzoF7TsZ7Seiub+Y7aOiBrfBl2IUj8WfhdPHLqlKapu91C8fg+peC5NjWj48WtR2 /B++czadxu8LMOgsuwpuP+U0nXkC5toW8bi66VCYRsdXTqEavBgMVfZSGbDLi+l94lEs XOz40mOZAmQ3c/0LGdxvyKQWa+OT9YI46gkfTUbuTyk/4beyVRdc+5tXXSMEUf1XOg+1 P3JA== Fri, 23 Aug 2013 11:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (107-192-134-236.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.134.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id y1sm983628oek.4.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 23 Aug 2013 11:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:15:53 -0500 From: Rick Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net, mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] (no subject) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends, Back in the garage for a bitB today. You might remember that my '53 TD suffered a stuck valve and broken pushrod. Well,B todayB I may have found the cause - or at least, a related problem: a blocked, or at least restricted, oil feed line to the top end. After I cleaned the exterior of the pipe and banjos, I sprayed brake cleaner (degreaser) into the line ... and nothing came out the other end! On the second attempt, a dribble turned into a weak black flow. With continued work, the line is now clean and clear. I can't swear that the stuck valve was related to oil starvation but I can testify that little-to-no oil could have gotten through that line before I cleaned it out.B The line is now clean, inside and out, and sits in storage with new copper washers and fresh banjo bolts, ready to be reinstalled. I'm now glad that I bought the new oil flex line and pipe to the OP gauge, as the old ones may also be full of crud. -rick Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 24 05:58:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B6540519 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 05:58:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A20340359 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 05:56:30 -0600 (MDT) cv=mOutQjS8cA+RiwbnZ0xzQ5Rk4tKrU8/wqwWkxk6fMEA= c=1 sm=0 a=KiVbQdkf6L0A:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=EsCe5xcOMzCFyzd2_9kA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Y7JmZpMSy8MA:10 a=gArFUkyU3oUA:10 a=vJULoYlGTu0vE4BtKtF8Pw==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [151.213.154.74] ([151.213.154.74:53664] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 18/01-14823-C6F98125; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 07:56:29 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 06:56:17 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: Rick Lindsay , "mgs@Autox.Team.Net" References: <51b7mk00xi0au4ko0apejvr4.1377281753116@email.android.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] (no subject) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net What condition are the rocker arm bushings and shaft in? CR _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 24 15:54:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA424052A for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:54:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E78BE40355 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36052A0E6F for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:54:00 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/22.0 SeaMonkey/2.19 To: "Mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mgs] Riviera Blue? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net A local club member asked about modern codes for this paint color. Any help? Thanks, mjb. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 24 16:03:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC1C403C7 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 16:03:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m01.mx.aol.com (omr-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37AD440355 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:57:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.2]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 6362A700E8EC7 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 17:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (c-50-163-114-241.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [50.163.114.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 1E3DEE000092 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 17:57:53 -0400 (EDT) References: <52192B78.8090507@bradakis.com> From: John Elwood Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 17:57:54 -0400 To: MG List x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1377381473; bh=A2E2kmhOrybM1Jtt7ilUiyq2pTbAQV7d8KYOjgQHp6Y=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=FefDUe48wIaOyORVJPTfqcOzb12DGOaQot7b15GX14LOg/XvYnY7EFqaZ0CZYb/IF do+/y6uO2PQaNdxVJSOLFLuuFkqEdhpK4EyFC02in9T0r1f801eonbhjAcdIb01MXl 2xFxheejHDpha3mqrhpjFRI0DFxMt9Ih+phdpLC0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290252192c605c6e Subject: Re: [Mgs] Riviera Blue? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The solid or metallic version? Metallic I think was MGC only color. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 25 09:07:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFC74040F for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 09:07:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy13-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy13-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.16.30]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A4EEB4032A for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 09:06:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 22730 invoked by uid 0); 25 Aug 2013 15:06:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy13.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2013 15:06:35 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=TRYWsgb6BTcEwYl0nRHRBrOe9E95ANnQLJu0Ydwfl1w=; b=n5l9JptM0TJ96zL2m4eOR7JRqSYSIY03+4iuNOfgHMkr23M/pP07B0CROG7TGIUKLE755d4wOaI3p2kIRdgOK+GB+BpK9CLWEmkQTaaBoA3hhpj1rSCSqoEXy5xWVKUf; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=39660 helo=[192.168.0.101]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VDbtj-0006Qa-6k for mgs@autox.team.net; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 09:06:35 -0600 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 10:06:37 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <52192B78.8090507@bradakis.com> {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with shop@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] Riviera Blue? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/24/2013 4:54 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > A local club member asked about modern codes for this paint color. > Any help? SORRY to do this Mark, but Google IS your friend : About 26,100,000 results(0.41 seconds) Did you mean: */riviera/* blue paint 2nd hit has the code of: Buy Riveria /Blue/ BLBU44 Touch Up /Paint/ for Your 1964 MG All Models. Ed _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 25 09:24:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50D44040A for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 09:24:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8094F4032A for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 09:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PERSEUS ([204.14.99.199]) by p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id H3Kz1m0074J6qWc013KzeC; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 08:20:00 -0700 From: "David Councill" To: References: <52192B78.8090507@bradakis.com> <521A1D7D.1000707@justbrits.com> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 08:19:26 -0700 thread-index: AQEBDASpUpY5MvRYLH+LXVU9lHmgRAGI2imNmzTrtkA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] Riviera Blue? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net To add to this (I also used google although I used a few additional keywords to find this exact page), I have always used Paul Tegler's site for paint codes. This one is for MGBs but he also has a Triumph one as well. Maybe I should have bookmarked this page: http://www.teglerizer.com/mgcolors/ Just search the page for Riviera blue, about half way down. It has several manufacturer paint codes listed. A little further down, in the green section, is a picture of my 67BGT for an example of british racing green, that I sent to Paul about 10 years or so ago when he was making this web page. David Councill 64 B (flame red) 67 BGT (british racing green) 72 B (black tulip) -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of " Just Brits " Shop Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 8:07 AM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Riviera Blue? On 8/24/2013 4:54 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > A local club member asked about modern codes for this paint color. > Any help? SORRY to do this Mark, but Google IS your friend : About 26,100,000 results(0.41 seconds) Did you mean: */riviera/* blue paint 2nd hit has the code of: Buy Riveria /Blue/ BLBU44 Touch Up /Paint/ for Your 1964 MG All Models. Ed _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 02:05:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A7D403F1 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 02:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-7.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-7.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.71]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CCD1403DA for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 02:01:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-7-imp with bizsmtp id HL1i1m00R4LtS4201L1ier; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:01:43 +0100 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=Sx3r5A_dS78A:10 a=Qu5kFwKW2DgDhBbkGd8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=ALfvx6DxaUEA:10 a=r5fWc1VfbT8A:10 a=03q10BM3O7pPiNeIwyIA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=kBb9xzUtb9ZQqShv:21 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Mark J Bradakis" , References: <52192B78.8090507@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:01:08 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Riviera Blue? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net According to Clausager: Riviera Blue was only available in Metallic finish. It was a standard colour on the 1968 MGC GT and an optional colour on the 1968 MGB GT. The BL/BMC code is BU47, Ault & Wibourg/Berger/Gipgloss code is 26544M, and the ICI code is 3005M. There are no codes for any of the US manufacturers. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >A local club member asked about modern codes for this paint color. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 10:11:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8FF5403EA for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:11:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B9B403D5 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:10:27 -0600 (MDT) cv=mOutQjS8cA+RiwbnZ0xzQ5Rk4tKrU8/wqwWkxk6fMEA= c=1 sm=0 a=KiVbQdkf6L0A:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=JBZ0udxbMdivxlc-CisA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=vJULoYlGTu0vE4BtKtF8Pw==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [151.213.154.74] ([151.213.154.74:59047] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id CD/4D-14823-1FD7B125; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 12:10:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 11:10:23 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <52192B78.8090507@bradakis.com> <9B516BEA1F094481A4EAD8C5E2792AC8@paul> Subject: [Mgs] Iris Blue? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net There was a guy in Alamo MG Club who had a nicely restored MGA. He had it painted Iris Blue, an MGB color. When someone pointed out that it was a B color he said he didn't care; he liked it. I looked it up though. Seems like it was shared by A&B from '59 - '65. My '69 B was Iris Blue when I bought it but it was an over-spray. CR On 8/26/2013 3:01 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > According to Clausager: Riviera Blue was only available in Metallic finish. > It was a standard colour on the 1968 MGC GT and an optional colour on the 1968 > MGB GT. The BL/BMC code is BU47, Ault & Wibourg/Berger/Gipgloss code is > 26544M, and the ICI code is 3005M. There are no codes for any of the US > manufacturers. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> A local club member asked about modern codes for this paint color. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 11:50:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B8F40408 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 11:50:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8F440079 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 11:49:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (108-169-4-164.dynamic.dsl.sonic.net [108.169.4.164] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r7QHnspb028556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:49:57 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:49:48 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Yay Moss - lighting upgrade report Thread-Index: AQIwBSIutbauTKAvkFugX5k8E3RZrZjet9KQgAZHOVQ= Subject: Re: [Mgs] Yay Moss - lighting upgrade report Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Here's a preliminary evaluation of the lighting mods, based on a short night run. Headlamps Were: standard sealed beam on factory circuit Now: Lucas H4 Halogen on relay circuit Verdict: previously described as "dim & yellow", now bright white. Massive improvement. Taillamps, brake lights, rear turn signals Were: standard bulbs Now: Moss red LEDs Verdict: 2X, possibly 3X brighter Front turn signals (white on my '66 B) Were: standard bulbs Now: Moss white LEDs Verdict: insanely brighter, like flashing mini-headlights And here's what went wrong: Electronic flasher unit First unit did not work out of the box. Neither did the 2nd unit, until I tried reversing the polarity. This was not mentioned in any instructions. My car was originally positive ground, converted to negative ground, so I don't know why this should be necessary -- the 3-prong flasher that this was specified as a replacement for was only used on positive ground cars, but the LED lamp kit can only be used on converted cars, so this should have been accounted for. (I'm pretty sure I tried reversing the polarity of the first unit, so I think it really was DOA). Front marker lamps I could not use the LEDs supplied. These replace the very small round bulbs, but the LED is much longer -- not only is the "bulb" section about twice as long, but the socket section is also longer (I have a photo comparing the two, if you're interested). The result is that the lens immediately contacts the tip of the bulb, so that as you tighten the lens-securing screws, it depresses the bulb in the socket against the spring, until the bulb loses contact. If you try this with the lights turned on, you can watch the bulb go out as you tighten the screws. I can't see how they ever successfully tested this application. Maybe they only tested it on later cars with the slightly different lamp location. However, this is hardly a critical lighting application -- they are scarcely ever used without the headlights. Hope this is helpful. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 8/22/13 10:58 AM, Ron King at ronking@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Please let me/us know if there's improvement; have been considering this > changeout myself. > > Ron King > '71MGB > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Max Heim > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:03 AM > To: MG List > Subject: [Mgs] Yay Moss > > In response to some uncharacteristic nagging from my wife (to the effect > that the MG's lights were too dim, and it was unsafe to drive at night), I > invested in a major lighting upgrade, including a headlight relay kit, H4 > halogen headlights, and a complete set of LED exterior lamps. But one > component, the last to be installed, turned out to be DOA out of the box -- > the electronic flasher unit. When I called Moss about it, they cheerfully > said they would send out a replacement immediately, no return required. I > thought that was jolly decent of them. So here's a public shout-out for > their customer service. > > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 14:23:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB661403FC for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 14:23:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm46-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm46-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19EF3403D3 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 14:20:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.170] by nm46.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2013 20:20:10 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.224] by tm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2013 20:20:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1033.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2013 20:20:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 25550 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Aug 2013 20:20:09 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377548409; bh=Rgnqt9XmalNVRkHeOLvzsmtmbmG088FA+jvvdxikPmg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GkvwVsB/iqne2EoQ8I0Cxbflo68hWuawxcb/7jCAl7p4iUSMUzbaRtPoj+9GEtl+olzPcZcPJfIoqGZLED/EHnpNXEBFdtKlYKQYygIxxFRf0fWjbhMOAkwyJVqKrLSkOq518eWW92ua1dd6XrjagQndlSVFy75rkmD7s6exeWs= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rwBu2umULRdKmtFDy84Xn59YN8tjpRNAi/2W8A/HtLOauA1Mu1EJ8Z9H82oHqLj92YK8YNMfDWQ79U3AdU9FWPYwfi8JBtiIQRgh1+JDoneFudhXlepwS/hCThtO/XV2Uwl00r4NSiXXjhmKpOFNXqttnmE9EA7zDkgXNyFmYRI=; sjHVCS5I.wGitQCBUdtCRrc6bb632MevnzIN9rAOEmwPl7fJRdfCfnT3Xpnh 9nugEt4ucSSsV854jnbY2_Fb.iVgiDnzRt9RxY9CxPMqDABd5LTX_hQFGWN4 Fbbv_zPD6f12zymCF3W9GU6jg7q0C9or6ueCuAdIZrDbEReLnAq_8lhMadHp kyMBF3r5L57ziFCmEwrlgNm8mg375V42cyToH336bPedOg1lSom0qAMZ4E1y iGcS5Yq6QmjUlMrnUegn3346maUrxI0moRPAYAdUj9vQT3lu80fxP0oXxRlF xQ_IAHJw0f38cNzCi0s775W2te2Ls2gYMhTwaw__7qHcQhzVTEc1G7Y60fmx wJhwPNCBRjj2MCtnfCg3QDvj6u0xGuwu_9w70gim9yqgFmX0e8kL3snuQlR8 zNhCeI825Wj5QGO9dMDyLlkViRrx9veyJEy.RmWbRprKhvXPZxsLDfI7raT3 .qzsjCqFOTIq7MJ.xVmlWpXiW7DdZo6wNnGZMXjWzkK0eaSBkEPZI0y.hz6K lHBAWz9yG71a8QKLpDR9mvS.4HyS_FPNV Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 13:20:09 PDT UmVhbGx5IGdvb2QgZmVlZGJhY2ssIE1heC4uLi4KCkRhbiBECic3NkIsICc2NUIKQ2VudHJhbCBOSiBVU0EKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogTWF4IEhlaW0gPG12aGVpbUBzb25pYy5uZXQ.ClRvOiBNRyBMaXN0IDxtZ3NAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ.IApTZW50OiBNb25kYXksIEF1Z3VzdCAyNiwgMjAxMyAxOjQ5IFBNClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBbTWdzXSBZYXkgTW9zcyAtIGxpZ2h0aW5nIHVwZ3JhZGUgcmVwb3J0CiAKCkhlcmUncyBhIHByZWxpbWluYXJ5IGV2YWx1YXQBMAEBAQE- References: <021701ce9f61$27bb6640$773232c0$@sbcglobal.net> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 13:20:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Max Heim , MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Yay Moss - lighting upgrade report Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Really good feedback, Max.... Dan D '76B, '65B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Max Heim To: MG List Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Yay Moss - lighting upgrade report Here's a preliminary evaluation of the lighting mods, based on a short night run. Headlamps Were: standard sealed beam on factory circuit Now: Lucas H4 Halogen on relay circuit Verdict: previously described as "dim & yellow", now bright white. Massive improvement. Taillamps, brake lights, rear turn signals Were: standard bulbs Now: Moss red LEDs Verdict: 2X, possibly 3X brighter Front turn signals (white on my '66 B) Were: standard bulbs Now: Moss white LEDs Verdict: insanely brighter, like flashing mini-headlights And here's what went wrong: Electronic flasher unit First unit did not work out of the box. Neither did the 2nd unit, until I tried reversing the polarity. This was not mentioned in any instructions. My car was originally positive ground, converted to negative ground, so I don't know why this should be necessary -- the 3-prong flasher that this was specified as a replacement for was only used on positive ground cars, but the LED lamp kit can only be used on converted cars, so this should have been accounted for. (I'm pretty sure I tried reversing the polarity of the first unit, so I think it really was DOA). Front marker lamps I could not use the LEDs supplied. These replace the very small round bulbs, but the LED is much longer -- not only is the "bulb" section about twice as long, but the socket section is also longer (I have a photo comparing the two, if you're interested). The result is that the lens immediately contacts the tip of the bulb, so that as you tighten the lens-securing screws, it depresses the bulb in the socket against the spring, until the bulb loses contact. If you try this with the lights turned on, you can watch the bulb go out as you tighten the screws. I can't see how they ever successfully tested this application. Maybe they only tested it on later cars with the slightly different lamp location. However, this is hardly a critical lighting application -- they are scarcely ever used without the headlights. Hope this is helpful. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 8/22/13 10:58 AM, Ron King at ronking@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Please let me/us know if there's improvement; have been considering this > changeout myself. > > Ron King > '71MGB > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Max Heim > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:03 AM > To: MG List > Subject: [Mgs] Yay Moss > > In response to some uncharacteristic nagging from my wife (to the effect > that the MG's lights were too dim, and it was unsafe to drive at night), I > invested in a major lighting upgrade, including a headlight relay kit, H4 > halogen headlights, and a complete set of LED exterior lamps. But one > component, the last to be installed, turned out to be DOA out of the box -- > the electronic flasher unit. When I called Moss about it, they cheerfully > said they would send out a replacement immediately, no return required. I > thought that was jolly decent of them. So here's a public shout-out for > their customer service. > > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 18:44:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7EB40414 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 18:44:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B76400A5 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 18:44:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.174] by nm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 00:44:05 -0000 Received: from [68.142.230.71] by tm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 00:44:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp228.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 00:44:05 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377564245; bh=mERAzH8PfTMb6V3fJztgcHOXCAGqZmU4T4wlWxO345g=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=yj3o8OPSZTqMGUAgbeUpjl8BgPdFdMm1HVcU3OH5cQNxFid4UcATah/MltUnTm8GHMLR1tvBdRmLCv0ef0KRmSvuckegUk8vcXODxrJ9o8XdyuFgz863YQ9Ep48LAHnazB/S4M/EL94DH7r+33vd6C4S/5OswXuylF6QT56hHy8= vrLkXymy3GWRzhmuUsrEmxqyyUCnaBuI9Gh6qZQWsehTvsZg986SM4i4GkaB LqbtBDW2UDYpIK0ufBjuDpV9pDhkBLPUhbo2uRYkLpHUj_P6mOAijI0dS2Fv q3ON89_rKX1XuKZeBhNRdASgRKEP4LQM2QFX3oxIN81_CyzUxxqO.u1In.JO nw7WraTYHNy7BxfmA0YRgi34HSWLTgM.UIYIUeeLA.VyqpMYYkOoj7tC0QAC 5oksXGGyQ5tLezewYztfcoXK.nVOC32cL1fZbcqKrhI.CeQhMN7ojx1AcDl_ 3zbVO1aA7FisYnSwENs0CrosQcBcaIZ0dLcefXgI5KnZhIKjm_lhUwtS2env QPMEeVhnTQeDFq9k5xY1p52nXwXii4haAhzUsrd20IQqsoQdGtgSiWFeTesA 9oeWCKBT9DTrp7FLA7fL.Xyyakp2nhWMkbFwbsT7HM5D5ew4AbJtM3gss7S3 j0M8RzuJpXXjtrKIBxo5cpHJGxhLRLOKUim5Zz86mLMTGHlbtmoHsXDsG_gf NwO7_L3I- with ) by smtp228.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2013 00:44:05 +0000 UTC References: <52192B78.8090507@bradakis.com> <9B516BEA1F094481A4EAD8C5E2792AC8@paul> From: Jim Juhas Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:44:06 -0400 To: PaulHunt73 Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Riviera Blue? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a Martin Senour (NAPA) code for BU-44 Riviera Blue as *-20564. The asterisk is a prefix for type of paint. This should cross reference to the major manufacturers. I know PPG has extensive listings. This formula was not a metallic. (I bought it once for my Riv Blue Sprite.) Sent via iPad Jim Juhas On Aug 26, 2013, at 4:01 AM, "PaulHunt73" wrote: > According to Clausager: Riviera Blue was only available in Metallic finish. > It was a standard colour on the 1968 MGC GT and an optional colour on the 1968 > MGB GT. The BL/BMC code is BU47, Ault & Wibourg/Berger/Gipgloss code is > 26544M, and the ICI code is 3005M. There are no codes for any of the US > manufacturers. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> A local club member asked about modern codes for this paint color. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/james.f.juhas@snet.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 21:43:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E5DA403F7 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 21:43:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f175.google.com (mail-vc0-f175.google.com [209.85.220.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D6C400A4 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 21:42:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id ia10so2580601vcb.6 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:42:58 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=cvpkD0uw96ZuE9VShvw0kjqjR1y2Fd6XaYj/PJ6Kcyg=; b=PkS52nbZCguRLPeqb0u0HTjPhQ6gFgVz5LK6eIHH/El9e69G+GCWe3xIEtct50JVKT tTEVrUJHBFn8SrhqCxR7Cjtjrfm2f6A45KSAkQQtVfEqLRw5y71BQKwQvbf9ywqDuIUb +zuC2ROIRiGyCVvwJewJTeDSfbdFjaIz5Jw3Q2M/GEAW8LGsBYM1BZl1/GeoBu9M+asQ f4sepbzvS7DZf7Jtrc1ITncM2zPxdX83kjfTVgkBYgl0mfiGEKLnFOJIdYjMihiisk4n G6jdosJUcF68s/LCbOBexD55UkiCag/bKRHWUtRkCMpGAQnpgS8nySnFbO3PFqLTs8GB 5lHw== vb9mr17748773vec.2.1377574978676; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.107.164 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:42:58 -0700 From: Simon Matthews To: MGS Subject: [Mgs] Alternator? problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net We have a '71 MGB which is having charging problems, I think. The ignition (red) light on the dashboard only goes out (well, it goes very dim) when cruising on the freeway. Is there anything other than the alternator that I should be looking at? The battery seems to be holding its charge (and I just put in a new battery due to a misunderstanding). The alternator appears to have 5 terminals, but only 3 connected. It looks like the picture in this pdf file: http://www.mossmotors.com/graphics/products/PDF/130-100.pdf The Moss replacement describes connecting only 2 terminals (see this note: http://www.mossmotors.com/graphics/products/PDF/540-280.pdf) , so I am a little confused about what I have. It looks like 2 of the terminals are both connected with heavy gauge brown wire, so it would not be unreasonable to assume a PO has made a redundant connection. If it is the alternator, should I just replace the whole thing or is there a likelihood that the diode pack or brushes have failed? As I mentioned, it does appear that we are getting some current out of it -- unless there is some other mechanism that could cause the ignition light to be on? Simon _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 21:49:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9AB54043F for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 21:49:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f178.google.com (mail-qc0-f178.google.com [209.85.216.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD88400A4 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 21:49:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id p19so2298459qcv.9 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:49:13 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=content-type:to:subject:references:date:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:from:message-id:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=mFvtdHDxoo1sUs6q7/VZyZdfFmu93NQb1iJ3U7xYUrs=; b=rwECPpyvPg7F+YD/P72b6xKYoYJfW4N4ko6XEAfFnH/PfMErEhUK5M2TO/PS4c4m6j XVL0TjFWpeFNvLC3jL6Y2c5L3LxqPaM2psvDpkD96rPyhFYZqCJDFFKsa03IcVQ0lh53 Fw+xOsEL2QH9AgR/J9EhjXMdjJkfgyuU6cuvqq1F1HzEw4gwhIobVHDXqos31QT7AQUb vf2yMaQP36KT3CqeEK+VEHvslXuMoBL0ROxftnPD2VYfsVar5RFa2nfebGDEF5ceB5xR wCrZh+jcsvdX9P1F2/W9z3cLydOVAt0wdZtXG+dwXOHlz/1/wWNXjGXHUVwb4xnjNGuY U3Gg== t4mr19602462qai.67.1377575353069; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunnyta ([24.105.242.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h6sm25365606qej.4.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:49:11 -0700 (PDT) To: mgs@autox.team.net References: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 23:48:41 -0400 From: "P. Chast" User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.16 (Win32) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Alternator? problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Bad Belts? On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 23:42:58 -0400, Simon Matthews wrote: > We have a '71 MGB which is having charging problems, I think. The > ignition > (red) light on the dashboard only goes out (well, it goes very dim) when > cruising on the freeway. > > Is there anything other than the alternator that I should be looking at? > The battery seems to be holding its charge (and I just put in a new > battery > due to a misunderstanding). > > The alternator appears to have 5 terminals, but only 3 connected. It > looks > like the picture in this pdf file: > http://www.mossmotors.com/graphics/products/PDF/130-100.pdf > > The Moss replacement describes connecting only 2 terminals (see this > note: > http://www.mossmotors.com/graphics/products/PDF/540-280.pdf) , so I am a > little confused about what I have. It looks like 2 of the terminals are > both connected with heavy gauge brown wire, so it would not be > unreasonable > to assume a PO has made a redundant connection. > > If it is the alternator, should I just replace the whole thing or is > there > a likelihood that the diode pack or brushes have failed? As I mentioned, > it > does appear that we are getting some current out of it -- unless there is > some other mechanism that could cause the ignition light to be on? > > Simon > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/pchastnow@gmail.com -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 01:46:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E2040454 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 01:46:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-9.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-9.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.73]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9CC40079 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 01:45:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-9-imp with bizsmtp id Hjlr1m00G4LtS4201jlrF1; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 08:45:51 +0100 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=FUtR-5u2ONIA:10 a=TE9nmNRO66tWVxI7R3sA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Simon Matthews" , "MGS" References: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 08:37:16 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Alternator? problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Does it glow more brightly with the headlights on? That is an indication of bad alternator diodes or bad connections. The first thing you should do is to measure the system voltage on the brown wire at the fusebox, with respect to earth. Ignition off should normally be about 12.8v (unless the engine has only just been turned off when it will probably be higher). Ignition on will drop a couple of tenths. Engine started and running at about 2k rpm should be about 14.5v. As you start turning things on it will drop, but with headlights, heater fan, stop lights etc. all switched on it should still be above 12.8v. If below that measure the voltage on the output wire of the alternator, a thick brown, under the same conditions. If that is also below then the alternator is faulty. If clearly above what you measured on the fusebox brown then there are one or more bad connections between those two points. The connections between the two brown wires and the battery cable on the solenoid stud is a candidate for that, remove the battery earth strap for safety before tackling these. Also measure the voltage on the brown and white wires at the ignition switch and its multi-plug connections. Good voltage on a brown but lower voltage on a white points to the ignition switch. The first link shows a late model 3-terminal alternator, although the two large spades are linked together and are both output spades. The standard-sized terminal is the warning light. The other two terminals were never used on MGBs. MGBs *did* have five (69 to 71) and four (68) terminal alternators with two plugs, and the second link, left-hand image shows the two-plug, five terminal arrangement that a 71 would have had originally. It depends on what you have now as to what you have to do, if you have the three spades in a row, two large and one small like the second link, image on the right, then the mod has already been done. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > We have a '71 MGB which is having charging problems, I think. The ignition > (red) light on the dashboard only goes out (well, it goes very dim) when > cruising on the freeway. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 05:41:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D58940687 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 05:41:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.55.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 720C24056A for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 05:38:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 23423 invoked by uid 0); 27 Aug 2013 11:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy7.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2013 11:38:54 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=IwN3LrnizLrt43TrBFu5CepH7UXf+HQuul4zmtogtqc=; b=DEQ+Fgv8zwR+XEoHYOCMPKPkXQ60fZ+xhgcfuB+xw9udBtea5XF+RRCmTbcb1T4f3rMoi8gMicQOGCrlAhJDMh3bdNpbu1wkxTGPPQBtFGH/yTiyOpc0q8mZU3i2VYy4; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=36137 helo=[192.168.0.101]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VEHbq-0007Kh-4J for mgs@autox.team.net; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 05:38:54 -0600 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 06:39:03 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <52192B78.8090507@bradakis.com> <9B516BEA1F094481A4EAD8C5E2792AC8@paul> <521B7DEF.4060301@ktc.com> {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with shop@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] Iris Blue? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net << On 8/26/2013 11:10 AM, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: > I looked it up though. Seems like it was shared by A&B from '59 - > '65. My '69 B was Iris Blue when I bought it but it was an > over-spray. >> Didn't look far enough, Charlie ! ! ! IIRC, '59 Frogeye and just so happens I know a chap than did a 100 point or Gold Level ground-up resto on one ! ! Ed _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 05:51:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36FD406A1 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 05:51:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm21-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.114]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9196B4056D for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 05:51:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm21.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 11:51:36 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.112] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 11:51:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp221.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 11:51:36 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377604296; bh=TGL5Pp4dAf2ThN/BGwaa0ZbBiwPf8uqaQ2o3s0waE8w=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=BEeAbvrM9g4nZ5G8C65o0goyXbOVjAP3lu9hMVi2iIewFWUh4+6NZ7nMGUq2RrvIEPIB9gMizc1SFVmKLIUqSzGe2NtJm4iYDhs4E9d8hbsSi3zLLD6qffRbplfZN8jDIIveAXe9ENxczDlTnniXE9vcQqCQtpOT7Tw5ZBKSHx4= Eyqioa9XB2wsP4Vsr.aHRBY8buwkoPEeu_Xr5jnNC1lvMlz83m7xHBfq8nrr CCSZ9wysjc14ixH8gwmzTJm8q5.BTjhM7dKwzP1s.TaYohiFsKkv4udbI.v1 Wi7RS3NmDvV3NcXVXwCoxQruzI7kS798XnimhhoYbaWZHDWXilWvHpWXWmTj sQum4FfMWaiueiiH_MqaR1yWFXZ.RCoZQ4WxK0_0KPmIygp8Til6adGa2_Fi GdLA3PB2cUu4MD9z4ANyiTgiabX70uuXA05vac8IitNp7pEvGy_UdJ_9jrZE RaERfc2MsigMKIxsmUEXWhgWmbzy8vDiXxSWsgxoyH5iaslxuJg1BjT.LlqN AeE.1hzGkpjIs3y6JD5W9oFh7bkh2Q8HrLGlTzGogAQMIYp3hM5O50CQwwBv 3pv94jWnmOPrf.8ueHrztzDS1SgptTnfaUqgTeuKSPWGh99NnQoClGPlb_44 YHdv83TEDCIJrTztYAkO5INmTbzp.ofzzsICHZTISIDoZlY5hW5tO__er4vE SzjTgm_k- with ) by smtp221.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2013 11:51:36 +0000 UTC References: <52192B78.8090507@bradakis.com> <9B516BEA1F094481A4EAD8C5E2792AC8@paul> <521B7DEF.4060301@ktc.com> <521C8FD7.3020602@justbrits.com> From: Jim Juhas Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 07:51:38 -0400 To: Just Brits Shop Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Iris Blue? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Same code, but called Speedwell Blue on the Sprite. Sent via iPad Jim Juhas On Aug 27, 2013, at 7:39 AM, "\" Just Brits \" Shop" wrote: > << On 8/26/2013 11:10 AM, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: >> I looked it up though. Seems like it was shared by A&B from '59 - >> '65. My '69 B was Iris Blue when I bought it but it was an >> over-spray. >> > > Didn't look far enough, Charlie ! ! ! IIRC, '59 Frogeye and just > so happens I know a chap than did a 100 point or Gold Level ground-up > resto on one ! ! > > Ed > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/james.f.juhas@snet.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 11:20:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1EB40C00 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:20:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.55.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C38FA403BA for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:19:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 31889 invoked by uid 0); 27 Aug 2013 17:19:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy7.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2013 17:19:49 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=YcHY2nfo6IqqDRayKMuqxwe3ba99FMpI5KkayWn7j9o=; b=Y00Yn/fw81DMIvLmn/+TLyPfxhte/wAcAg9qvj7N3c5GPUHQ2R3pgzwOq66fythE0A8AjxLn+pS5IDe8qvw6eRzbefqLl6JMtqjliB4eJJtdSIadJW2tgW6Iyqbg11ho; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=36961 helo=[192.168.0.101]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VEMvl-0002NP-6i for mgs@autox.team.net; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:19:49 -0600 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 12:20:33 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: "mgs@autox.team.net" References: <52192B78.8090507@bradakis.com> <9B516BEA1F094481A4EAD8C5E2792AC8@paul> <521B7DEF.4060301@ktc.com> <521C8FD7.3020602@justbrits.com> {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with shop@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] Iris Blue? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/27/2013 6:51 AM, Jim Juhas wrote: > Same code, but called Speedwell Blue on the Sprite. >> Speedwell is it's own, Blue , AFAIK. Paints are different ! ! Ed _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 11:40:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF4840E1F for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:40:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6FB4403DD for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:40:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-229.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.229]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r7RHe0SL018750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:40:01 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:31:31 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Yay Moss - lighting upgrade report Thread-Index: Ac6jS0Snoz22dSlzMESYJyimpM3Uqg== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Yay Moss - lighting upgrade report Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net on 8/27/13 12:49 AM, PaulHunt73 at paulhunt73@virginmedia.com wrote: > The first thing to check is if disconnection of a corner stops the > indicators flashing as it should, or whether the remaining lamp flashes on > regardless, as I suspect it will. This is a safety hazard, you will never > know if one of the corners isn't flashing for any reason. The fact that > original flashers stopped flashing, and modern flashers start going at > double-speed if one corner is out, is a deliberate safety feature. > Typically LED flashers have to have a load resistor to be able to use the > correct type of flasher unit, but even then the safety feature is only > monitoring the load resistor. As long as that is still connected both > corners could be out and you would never know, till someone tail-ends you! > Electronic flashers that don't need a load resistor have no safety feature > from what I have seen so far, and this seems to include OEM usage as well as > I nearly rear-ended a Range Rover that suddenly turned in front of me > 'without warning', only for me to see his side flasher going as he turned. It seems to me that the rate of flashing may have changed. I will check this. I don't think it's true that "you would never know" -- I often notice my turn signal lamps reflecting off the bumper of the vehicle in front, or in back when pulling out of a parallel parking spot. And regardless of "safety features", I observe plenty of contemporary cars driving around with burnt-out or disconnected lamps -- it's more a matter of driver awareness. Some people pay attention to these things, and some are oblivious (and some wouldn't know a turn signal stalk from a flugelhorn). > > I'd also be concerned about tail lights being 2-3 times brighter, the > reduction in visibility of following drivers at night in the rain would be > considerable. Not at all. The comparison was to "dim". The modern cars you see on the road with arrays of 12 or 18 LEDs are enormously brighter (and I have noticed this problem with some of them -- they even cause purple spots in one's vision). This is still a single-point light source, distorted and diffused by a sharply-pointed lens. > The other significant factor is whether there is enough > differentiation between tail and stop lights to alert a following driver if > they don't happen to be looking directly at the back of the car at the time. > Some LED lights I've seen have very little differentiation. This does not seem to be a problem. The stop lamp seems to be extremely noticeable. This is probably the greatest single improvement. I probably should have pointed out that all the bulbs I replaced were pretty aged. I have a habit of dipping into my stock of used bulbs when one fails, rather than buying new replacements. So it is possible, even likely, that none of these bulbs were manufactured in this century. Perhaps the difference would not have been so dramatic compared to new stock incandescent bulbs. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> Here's a preliminary evaluation of the lighting mods, based on a short >> night >> run. > -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 11:50:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE89D406A5 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:50:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews03.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews03.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6061C40417 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:49:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews19.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.185]) by cpsmtpb-ews03.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 27 Aug 2013 19:49:47 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT106.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.22]) by cpsps-ews19.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 27 Aug 2013 19:49:48 +0200 Received: from PolderPC ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT106.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Tue, 27 Aug 2013 19:49:47 +0200 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "'PaulHunt73'" , "'Simon Matthews'" , "'MGS'" References: <533CA74FFAD74676A21849AF627F1496@paul> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 19:49:47 +0200 Thread-Index: AQIDrJWOOS1aOOFHyzt2a51Pme6lrwKMXP/zmSrdbGA= Content-Language: nl FILETIME=[D2823140:01CEA34D] Subject: Re: [Mgs] Alternator? problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I had the same issue some years ago. It started with very dim battery warning light. After that the battery was empty when the car was not ran for a week or so. I got fed up with this and took an amp meter and measured, if there was any current running from the batteries when the ignition was turned off. And yes - there was some 10 milli amps running all time. The cause? A diode in the alternator was leaky. As the alternator still was the original one I took it to the local car electrics shop. They installed a new diode pack, new brushes and brush ring, which was worn out as well. They also can verify, if new bearings are needed as well. The unit is apart anyway, so replacing these won't cost much extra. Mine never failed again and reliability always is important for such car parts I think. Cheers, Hans 71 BGT -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens PaulHunt73 Verzonden: dinsdag 27 augustus 2013 9:37 Aan: Simon Matthews; MGS Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Alternator? problems Does it glow more brightly with the headlights on? That is an indication of bad alternator diodes or bad connections. The first thing you should do is to measure the system voltage on the brown wire at the fusebox, with respect to earth. Ignition off should normally be about 12.8v (unless the engine has only just been turned off when it will probably be higher). Ignition on will drop a couple of tenths. Engine started and running at about 2k rpm should be about 14.5v. As you start turning things on it will drop, but with headlights, heater fan, stop lights etc. all switched on it should still be above 12.8v. If below that measure the voltage on the output wire of the alternator, a thick brown, under the same conditions. If that is also below then the alternator is faulty. If clearly above what you measured on the fusebox brown then there are one or more bad connections between those two points. The connections between the two brown wires and the battery cable on the solenoid stud is a candidate for that, remove the battery earth strap for safety before tackling these. Also measure the voltage on the brown and white wires at the ignition switch and its multi-plug connections. Good voltage on a brown but lower voltage on a white points to the ignition switch. The first link shows a late model 3-terminal alternator, although the two large spades are linked together and are both output spades. The standard-sized terminal is the warning light. The other two terminals were never used on MGBs. MGBs *did* have five (69 to 71) and four (68) terminal alternators with two plugs, and the second link, left-hand image shows the two-plug, five terminal arrangement that a 71 would have had originally. It depends on what you have now as to what you have to do, if you have the three spades in a row, two large and one small like the second link, image on the right, then the mod has already been done. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > We have a '71 MGB which is having charging problems, I think. The > ignition > (red) light on the dashboard only goes out (well, it goes very dim) > when cruising on the freeway. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/h.duinhoven@planet.nl _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 12:07:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F8440E96 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 12:07:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [66.147.249.253]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 70B9940417 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 12:05:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 32533 invoked by uid 0); 27 Aug 2013 18:05:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy1.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2013 18:05:32 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=IuFuPNAKqf3j+qKhKvQRM9bNw31s77A1zZu4HMys7es=; b=g10BnldaK/03Qmsfs73ZbweRcesvEyclBT7PFcwJym6L0AmDkrTkbvYVWTiRW02UiCqL/eKDEx/FLeySxp1j0qs0aNHplNPXGZEcm4++r7hiwxDpw08K64Ccjydq7YSA; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=37233 helo=[192.168.0.101]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VENe0-0001k6-3K for mgs@autox.team.net; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 12:05:32 -0600 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 13:06:21 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with shop@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] Yay Moss - lighting upgrade report Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net << On 8/26/2013 12:49 PM, Max Heim wrote: Front marker lamps I could not use the LEDs supplied. These replace the very small round bulbs, but the LED is much longer -- not only is the "bulb" section about twice as long, but the socket section is also longer .... >> Max, etal : I have NOT check the o/l catalog, but I find it hard to believe that they are NOT mark "For 'beehive lenses only' ? ! ? ! [as fitted to Frogeyes, Sprite Mk. II, Midget Mk. I, & ALL Austin-Healeys except BJ-8 Mk. III Phase II].. Perhaps MJB could pop-in here and advise on Triumph uses, if any ? ! ? Perhaps Mr. Kelvin Dodds could pop-in here and advise on Total Uses or tell us if I have covered applications correctly ? ! ? Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com '63 A-H BJ-7 (Hortense THE Healey wearing ILL STD. plates AH BJ 7 ) [front CLEAR beehive lenses] '73 Black Tulip MGB (Murial wearing ILL STD. plates CINS73B ) [ canNOT use beehives] '70 Black El Camino wearing ILL STD. plates 7 AH BJ 't') [canNOT use beehives] ! Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 12:36:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF7140E16 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 12:36:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE4840066 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 12:36:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-229.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.229]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r7RIaiWr007833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:36:45 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:31:34 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Yay Moss - lighting upgrade report Thread-Index: Ac6jU6g1MHcxo+GEYEacMNgHHzP+mg== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Yay Moss - lighting upgrade report Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net They are part #170-905, listed in the MGB catalog as "bulb, front side lamp", replacing a #57 bulb. But they are far too long, at least for an original Mk.1 socket and lens. I notice Moss now only sells a replacement lamp unit, which they say uses different mounting holes -- I suspect it may also be different in other respects (in this case, depth). Photo comparison here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mvheim/9607011135/ Note how even the socket section is slightly longer. The bulb part is not even close. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 8/27/13 11:06 AM, shop@justbrits.com at shop@justbrits.com wrote: > << On 8/26/2013 12:49 PM, Max Heim wrote: > > Front marker lamps > > I could not use the LEDs supplied. These replace the very small round bulbs, > but the LED is much longer -- not only is the "bulb" section about twice as > long, but the socket section is also longer .... >> > > Max, etal : > > I have NOT check the o/l catalog, but I find it hard to believe that they are > NOT > mark "For 'beehive lenses only' ? ! ? ! [as fitted to Frogeyes, Sprite Mk. > II, > Midget Mk. I, & ALL Austin-Healeys except BJ-8 Mk. III Phase II].. > > Perhaps MJB could pop-in here and advise on Triumph uses, if any ? ! ? > > Perhaps Mr. Kelvin Dodds could pop-in here and advise on Total Uses or tell us > if > I have covered applications correctly ? ! ? > > Ed > Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com > '63 A-H BJ-7 (Hortense THE Healey wearing ILL STD. plates AH BJ 7 ) > [front CLEAR beehive lenses] > '73 Black Tulip MGB (Murial wearing ILL STD. plates CINS73B ) > [ canNOT use beehives] > '70 Black El Camino wearing ILL STD. plates 7 AH BJ 't') > [canNOT use beehives] ! > > Ed > Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 12:50:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D26940687 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 12:50:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98C240415 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 12:50:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-229.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.229]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r7RIopBc025890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:50:53 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:45:33 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Yay Moss - lighting upgrade report Thread-Index: Ac6jU6g1MHcxo+GEYEacMNgHHzP+mgAAfQWf Subject: Re: [Mgs] Yay Moss - lighting upgrade report Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net One more factor I should probably mention: the front marker lamps are supposed to have thick foam gaskets. Mine were totally decayed, so I cut new cork gaskets, that are pretty thick themselves, and not very compressible. But I don't think it can just be an issue with missing gaskets, because the lens contacts the bulb before one even get the threads started on the screws. If the gasket were supposed to hold the lens away from the bulb, I would need longer screws. on 8/27/13 11:31 AM, Max Heim at mvheim@sonic.net wrote: > They are part #170-905, listed in the MGB catalog as "bulb, front side > lamp", replacing a #57 bulb. But they are far too long, at least for an > original Mk.1 socket and lens. I notice Moss now only sells a replacement > lamp unit, which they say uses different mounting holes -- I suspect it may > also be different in other respects (in this case, depth). > > Photo comparison here: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mvheim/9607011135/ > > Note how even the socket section is slightly longer. The bulb part is not > even close. > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > > on 8/27/13 11:06 AM, shop@justbrits.com at shop@justbrits.com wrote: > >> << On 8/26/2013 12:49 PM, Max Heim wrote: >> >> Front marker lamps >> >> I could not use the LEDs supplied. These replace the very small round bulbs, >> but the LED is much longer -- not only is the "bulb" section about twice as >> long, but the socket section is also longer .... >> >> >> Max, etal : >> >> I have NOT check the o/l catalog, but I find it hard to believe that they are >> NOT >> mark "For 'beehive lenses only' ? ! ? ! [as fitted to Frogeyes, Sprite Mk. >> II, >> Midget Mk. I, & ALL Austin-Healeys except BJ-8 Mk. III Phase II].. >> >> Perhaps MJB could pop-in here and advise on Triumph uses, if any ? ! ? >> >> Perhaps Mr. Kelvin Dodds could pop-in here and advise on Total Uses or tell >> us >> if >> I have covered applications correctly ? ! ? >> >> Ed >> Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com >> '63 A-H BJ-7 (Hortense THE Healey wearing ILL STD. plates AH BJ 7 ) >> [front CLEAR beehive lenses] >> '73 Black Tulip MGB (Murial wearing ILL STD. plates CINS73B ) >> [ canNOT use beehives] >> '70 Black El Camino wearing ILL STD. plates 7 AH BJ 't') >> [canNOT use beehives] ! >> >> Ed >> Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net > -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 28 01:43:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C17140423 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 01:43:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-7.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-7.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.71]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F905403BB for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 01:42:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-7-imp with bizsmtp id J7in1m00N4LtS42017inBi; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 08:42:47 +0100 a=n7OH-4NS22EA:10 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=IQn4tIRX4zYA:10 a=yorDG0rABSRx-5aBvT4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Max Heim" , "MG List" References: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 08:24:56 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Yay Moss - lighting upgrade report Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On a different tack to bulbs: The gasket is there to provide a seal against water ingress, and there is another one behind the lamp unit against the body. I don't know how thick the originals were, but when I replaced my front parking lights as soon as I started fitting the lenses and chrome surround it was obvious that the edge of the chrome was going to dig in to my new paint. I had to pre-fit a nut to each stud to space them out, which needed three gaskets on the back to fill the gap. I've seen the car featured on the front of Clausager's book at a show and the edges of his chrome were dug into the paint as well, so it wasn't just mine. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > One more factor I should probably mention: the front marker lamps are > supposed to have thick foam gaskets. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 28 11:13:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C862D4043D for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:13:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F7E40413 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:10:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-229.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.229]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r7SHA023004676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 10:10:01 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 10:09:43 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Yay Moss - lighting upgrade report Thread-Index: Ac6kEWNv1xVUFAhflUyp9J/t3mg2/A== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Yay Moss - lighting upgrade report Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Ah, mine didn't have any trace of the body gasket. There is a significant gap around the perimeter of the lamp base, so that you can see right into the wheel well, so it makes sense there should be some kind of gasket. It's a little hard to see how it would have been secured, though. Digging into the paint is the least of my worries, on this car. It seems to me that the lens gasket also serves to space the frame away from the body, although perhaps not enough. on 8/28/13 12:24 AM, PaulHunt73 at paulhunt73@virginmedia.com wrote: > On a different tack to bulbs: The gasket is there to provide a seal against > water ingress, and there is another one behind the lamp unit against the > body. I don't know how thick the originals were, but when I replaced my > front parking lights as soon as I started fitting the lenses and chrome > surround it was obvious that the edge of the chrome was going to dig in to > my new paint. I had to pre-fit a nut to each stud to space them out, which > needed three gaskets on the back to fill the gap. I've seen the car > featured on the front of Clausager's book at a show and the edges of his > chrome were dug into the paint as well, so it wasn't just mine. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> One more factor I should probably mention: the front marker lamps are >> supposed to have thick foam gaskets. > -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 29 01:40:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A215840514 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:40:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-7.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-7.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.71]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D210A4041C for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:37:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-7-imp with bizsmtp id JXdC1m0044LtS4201XdC0R; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:37:12 +0100 a=n7OH-4NS22EA:10 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=IQn4tIRX4zYA:10 a=z1R5-WJlAAAA:8 a=RoWGqkZRTC_XRB7k6jMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=o8hDQ0G7OvMA:10 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Max Heim" , "MG List" References: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:14:58 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Yay Moss - lighting upgrade report Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net 164-750 here http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29075#14 It's clamped between the two when the fixing nuts are tightened, and prevents muck coming from behind the lamp. Both gaskets will tend to space the chrome surround away from the body, but the foam is highly compressible so the difference with and without is pretty marginal. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Ah, mine didn't have any trace of the body gasket. There is a significant > gap around the perimeter of the lamp base, so that you can see right into > the wheel well, so it makes sense there should be some kind of gasket. > It's > a little hard to see how it would have been secured, though. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 29 13:40:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE1F40527 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 13:40:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm11-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9376403A7 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 13:40:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.175] by nm11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2013 19:39:59 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.214] by tm14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2013 19:39:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2013 19:39:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 53450 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2013 19:39:59 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377805199; bh=Er1x0XdvwsV+wkU+0zcTA53Iz+mlc0b8QAyLiT5gWTk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hr48arzF678MpXlDj7GsmAAARkcwgrZOq/oCJL29dBwFs3wkDBi99m4pbJeoZpSZEkjKQpB0BHvUpJHzcqh9IS6+ID8uMgubw6U0vL5iMITsQxk00GocVJy6Yvvq+c0SxJ526+X4EHIy15kBavUX3+F4BKNlx74W10a+t0PjX00= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QBikNik4NbgrvsyhmyzesLgB9x2dovWaSMocI1qxJIzwTTPolBjS6I11T7z9oc1ph2UFmFyfY531k+TCzW6BLvqNRtq/SVAunZW6iLICvLw+xDMzTwuXWbijPK8FSKZWIoP/Eze76aDO7G+tQLSdJ0JIGowkwVpfEbSssii/2iE=; oMNvjiIq3TIktk7WUMF6rfK1Y6IZzLeQc.OEIpKstWzceoM3930ByQfFOOV5 b.8aFpMNHgTqSjPHw8orvnf7ciyal3AXwxvunQZ.OR0RNWs0hb1X9ab6vbzf nWZkWnIAr8lsg.HzQk.U2KJtU99uBkdQJTkZCryLYFiJFWjoYRacSzMdS7P9 ivCS4UlNn6FC7863d4S59IFxJ_LuwgitcYtF7rPt0v3hcT12wgNKSbGztRn4 jnTTKkglFoA5LI.gcvxqggydW_P3Alq7drQzIbYSQgxrNNaKMhsptIwJeRXC 5aFk6setLl2QWnb9xlUpy3uLzFyQTpdD8ShJIxhMUlgnZfnojnJf.i_yXINg 6bRknNveToclsATcDRogSA7OpAzbt2BvRxM6g9UMctoRlriQuivmfoz0sQ7c 3ZejgWcniAD6yv0ioa6CZyPpctmxnuh9ETrQ3gFUraprrwq.DIjHDUgciIk3 veEFiEXIvbJAIxhotnk3nm_FhL5MYhSS6YIB.5ioSVTtWnVGSbJ3bG6ODw6c .qG99gADBeRbHsJVc2WPmykz_4MMp0KoODwJ7Bk9dryXxjUAa2IM9MSZsB08 5cn_DZHtgEViK6.kJRlzZc6VKK1j5kJp7ZCQxiWUOtAckBXMC4hF332hAhNM 9O3zFQf1DBAbwl7sk5FaR__YvcoLYu6xiBlwIeOYqB9FLWgkmY2OqIf60N8B v8SatiADZu2I- Received: from [50.78.67.10] by web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:39:58 PDT Rm9yIGNhciBvd25lciB3aG8gbG9zcyB0aGVpciBjYXIga2V5cywKb3IgdXNlZCBjYXIgb3duZXJzIHdpdGggbm8ga2V5cywKSSB3aGF0IHRvIHNoYXJlIHRoZSBpbmZvcm1hdGlvbiBiZWxvdy4gVmVyeSBxdWljayBzZXJ2aWNlIGZyb20gQkhNQy4KCiBTZW50OiBUdWVzZGF5LCBBdWd1c3QgMjcsIDIwMTMgMjo1NiBQTQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSRTogMTk3NSBNRyAtIGNvc3QgYW5kIHNvdXJjZSBmb3Iga2V5IGNvZGUgbnVtYmVyIC0gU3VnZ2VzdGlvbgpQZXRlIC0gTG9va3MgbGlrZSB0aGUgaGVyaXRhZ2UgZ3V5cyABMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:39:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Pete Groh To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mgs] Lost keys, source for key code information Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net For car owner who loss their car keys, or used car owners with no keys, I what to share the information below. Very quick service from BHMC. Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:56 PM Subject: RE: 1975 MG - cost and source for key code number - Suggestion Pete - Looks like the heritage guys are pretty quick! Date: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 Subject: Web Enquiry Service Thank you for your enquiry. The recorded key numbers for MGB, chassis number G-HN5-UF/370094-G are FS.878, FT.216 and 2159. Regards Richard Bacchus Certificate Officer British Motor Industry Heritage Trust Heritage Motor Centre Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:30 AM Subject: Re: 1975 MG - cost and source for key code number - Suggestion Jim Pete here. See data below and my suggestion. Car build record You need to contact the British Heritage Motor Centre in the UK by e-mail. Look at the price list. Ask for the car key code numbers (cost 6 pounds). Provide your car data, year, make, model and Vin number data. B Base on this information, can cut you a key to on American key blanks. http://www.heritage-motor-centre.co.uk/store/heritage-certificates-and-archiv e-services/archive-research-services.html Archive Research Service B#6.00 Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:39 AM Subject:1975 MG keys Pete I seem to have lost my keys for my 75 MGB. Unfortunately, whether code is work off the face of the ignition, or was never there, I canbt seem to see any numbers. Pete Groh (KeyGuy) Ellicott City MD USA _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 29 19:03:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6480840452 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:03:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f171.google.com (mail-ie0-f171.google.com [209.85.223.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFBAB403B1 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:03:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 9so2118199iec.2 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:03:16 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=u75JWmAu3gvxrtvjd7PZ2dkHsPEuBkaR73RF01WB8uU=; b=FvWigU/FbXylsG3wdwfMso5x7wwVEPxAmAYw53LQ+5iAsxIz1sh6Xtmho6KAtO6KOA MH2KKzcq2yjlrmi7Rtm9lnNAmexUqdK5gE3QsSj+EKYuWPelJ/vTIVYvdCUWwarN0Ix6 Tvw1oIYEMq8DokidW4TGaBh/E/+ZHO2Zysltm7NwItxUTSPdhAjXVt1r1NRXVMBOMbnc 3I5L4KrGis6vM5oEf0YHrAmrk3E5xIPulOJV7SF2JSwEuYk387BOwAgEb3YctQ/F6bD2 FJhZZsVrmRup3C4xdZWz8uFMjkyb68Bnu7UAp1oSKL/zNjJFxjs7uLpTDvvXjRlcfNyV M/kQ== Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:03:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lundgren-laptop.familysearch.org (c-67-166-110-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net. [67.166.110.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q4sm908277igp.6.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:03:13 -0600 From: Andrew Lundgren User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <1377805198.53342.YahooMailNeo@web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Lost keys, source for key code information Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I used them a few months ago for the keys to my '77 B. I requested at night and had the codes in the morning and they worked great. And since shared your code, where do you park your car? ;) -- Andrew On 08/29/2013 01:39 PM, Pete Groh wrote: > For car owner who loss their car keys, > or used car owners with no keys, > I what > to share the information below. Very quick service from BHMC. > > Sent: Tuesday, > August 27, 2013 2:56 PM > Subject: RE: 1975 MG - cost and source for key code > number - Suggestion > Pete - Looks like the heritage guys are pretty quick! > Date: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 > Subject: Web Enquiry Service > Thank you for your > enquiry. The recorded key numbers for MGB, chassis number G-HN5-UF/370094-G > are FS.878, FT.216 and 2159. > > > Regards > Richard > Bacchus > Certificate Officer > British Motor Industry Heritage > Trust > Heritage Motor Centre > > Sent: Monday, > August 26, 2013 11:30 AM > Subject: Re: 1975 MG - cost and source for key code > number - Suggestion > Jim Pete here. See data below and my suggestion. > > > Car > build record > You need to contact the British Heritage Motor Centre in the UK > by e-mail. Look at the price list. Ask for the car key code numbers (cost 6 > pounds). Provide your car data, year, make, model and Vin number data. > B Base on this information, can cut you a key to on American key blanks. > http://www.heritage-motor-centre.co.uk/store/heritage-certificates-and-archiv > e-services/archive-research-services.html > Archive Research Service B#6.00 > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:39 AM > Subject:1975 MG keys > > > Pete > I seem > to have lost my keys for my 75 MGB. Unfortunately, whether code is work off > the face of the ignition, or was never there, I canbt seem to see any > numbers. > > > Pete Groh (KeyGuy) > Ellicott City MD USA > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/lundgren@byu.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 29 19:19:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED80C4053F for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:19:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2499403B1 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:19:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-236.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.236]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r7U1JK8e024241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:19:24 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:18:13 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Lost keys, source for key code information Thread-Index: Ac6lHsv4bKevP0DPUU2+LPCJ8nVH5Q== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Lost keys, source for key code information Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net LOL! on 8/29/13 6:03 PM, Andrew Lundgren at lundgren@byu.net wrote: > I used them a few months ago for the keys to my '77 B. I requested at > night and had the codes in the morning and they worked great. > > And since shared your code, where do you park your car? ;) > > -- > Andrew > > On 08/29/2013 01:39 PM, Pete Groh wrote: >> For car owner who loss their car keys, >> or used car owners with no keys, >> I what >> to share the information below. Very quick service from BHMC. >> >> Sent: Tuesday, >> August 27, 2013 2:56 PM >> Subject: RE: 1975 MG - cost and source for key code >> number - Suggestion >> Pete - Looks like the heritage guys are pretty quick! >> Date: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 >> Subject: Web Enquiry Service >> Thank you for your >> enquiry. The recorded key numbers for MGB, chassis number G-HN5-UF/370094-G >> are FS.878, FT.216 and 2159. >> >> >> Regards >> Richard >> Bacchus >> Certificate Officer >> British Motor Industry Heritage >> Trust >> Heritage Motor Centre >> >> Sent: Monday, >> August 26, 2013 11:30 AM >> Subject: Re: 1975 MG - cost and source for key code >> number - Suggestion >> Jim Pete here. See data below and my suggestion. >> >> >> Car >> build record >> You need to contact the British Heritage Motor Centre in the UK >> by e-mail. Look at the price list. Ask for the car key code numbers (cost 6 >> pounds). Provide your car data, year, make, model and Vin number data. >> B Base on this information, can cut you a key to on American key blanks. >> http://www.heritage-motor-centre.co.uk/store/heritage-certificates-and-archiv >> e-services/archive-research-services.html >> Archive Research Service B#6.00 >> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:39 AM >> Subject:1975 MG keys >> >> >> Pete >> I seem >> to have lost my keys for my 75 MGB. Unfortunately, whether code is work off >> the face of the ignition, or was never there, I canbt seem to see any >> numbers. >> >> >> Pete Groh (KeyGuy) >> Ellicott City MD USA -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 29 19:26:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C5B4053D for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:26:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f173.google.com (mail-ie0-f173.google.com [209.85.223.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F14FE4032B for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:25:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f173.google.com with SMTP id qa5so1845388ieb.4 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:25:47 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=subject:from:content-type:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=HOw2gXsXMEetTq8Ix6SVbNj8L3acbqPUa24IJ2N/GyY=; b=DjYYOGzP1+lnxJUdllcHmfOKO48l1AUZ10Ixl3fwQmUeFFT7OR4awGf7GXa7sA76Gi rF4QHggwFds/RBfz06RydYCcs5u4DFMi1R9GXufY3LwqFqdhbyR4NopX1UWAJfmTeC1A eWAvfKylmelqCUNScxnfd4oMe8i/tVxR/ucd8QS7FyvnnL3/lxJZKAC9Sxj1hkhw8D/u P/iQxiulZ3RpbD3GmvV8vWy8PLRVbkdimeNnPPUP7ZIlc/bx0dcfQ7BDdi/FHiyHtotH oRg2+Q4212+OVwBjwVDSP6sZKWA8386dytWXiLXgqxNpHqblgewnaDo7DA1tmF/cVn/F qv0Q== Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:25:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.17] (97-127-70-76.mpls.qwest.net. [97.127.70.76]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ih14sm1029453igb.7.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:25:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Root Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:25:46 -0500 To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Top installation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm taking vacation this week, Tuesday to Friday. And I had two things on my to-do list. First was to paint the floor of my garage. I finished that this morning. That was a day and a half of prep and two hours spread over two days. About what I expected. I used the epoxy stuff, it looks good. So the MG spent it's second night out of a garage in the 12 years I've owned it. Anyway, this afternoon, I did the top. It went reasonably well. And looks pretty good. We will see in a couple days I suppose. The last thing I haven't done is glue the fabric around the bar. And I have a question. I should just glue the two flaps together, not onto the bar, right? Paul. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 29 19:28:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B88A40514 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:28:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d07.mx.aol.com (omr-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD424032B for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:28:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.196]) by omr-d07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 47EB7700FC4BD for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 21:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (c-50-163-114-241.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [50.163.114.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id EE150E0002CD for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 21:28:02 -0400 (EDT) References: From: John Elwood Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 21:28:02 -0400 To: MG List x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1377826083; bh=I5b3ZkOsCYSp3lN697S1dgWs9lm6b5UiC52TwAJIT+I=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=eqzdPqdq1Ti8EMfj0TrNjW+5nNH8ROiBF7zGLAherOq31Tg7Y3J4VeYVeF+C+u46N DEcgxEMAB8D9jzLi/waihK7wtay/LryPJ8YMpkZa3lPWx0Jz4qAfD7sYe297oD167u ciK0wsskZ1j1Lu2ufQies0hL4dwBg5cb08pBiqGQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c4521ff52276a5 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Lost keys, source for key code information Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 30 06:10:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2007D40547 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 06:10:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B4E394051F for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 06:05:47 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1377864342; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=IT/+Y+rWUunWu2oWYTBYLXMyzE3y9hJ9aMgMXp7l8nhdQth4fnY7h0hCu9P2o70Ln IjjqYa8SqFDTh2JL3J8l9rQHuzGbd3/CyWv8QRjWHsLK00C5q0XZ9Xwk0sKnWoZVad yjypvxk/BxmWA1WxuvBUkXIFZRQBskNjETB7tovU= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.101]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABKCBCWUAZ75QKA for (sender ); Fri, 30 Aug 2013 05:05:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:04:22 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:04:22 GMT To: ptroot@gmail.com Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Top installation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net John Twist writes about the top bar glueing in the Sept/Oct issue of MGB Driver. He says to wrap and glue the rear fabric around the bar, then when dry, wrap and glue the front fabric. Vinyl adhesive from hardware store may be the cheapest effective glue. I didn't glue it, though. The bar must be at the sem to achieve the correct profile, but I used a light cord on each side to position the bar. The bar can then move when folding, and the top folds slightly tighter. Tell us more about the floor paint, why you chose the one you did, and about concrete preparation, please. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Paul Root To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Top installation Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:25:46 -0500 I'm taking vacation this week, Tuesday to Friday. And I had two things on my to-do list. First was to paint the floor of my garage. I finished that this morning. That was a day and a half of prep and two hours spread over two days. About what I expected. I used the epoxy stuff, it looks good. So the MG spent it's second night out of a garage in the 12 years I've owned it. Anyway, this afternoon, I did the top. It went reasonably well. And looks pretty good. We will see in a couple days I suppose. The last thing I haven't done is glue the fabric around the bar. And I have a question. I should just glue the two flaps together, not onto the bar, right? Paul. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 30 07:10:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7BB640654 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 07:10:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f171.google.com (mail-ie0-f171.google.com [209.85.223.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05FE640333 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 07:10:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 9so3139177iec.2 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 06:10:33 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=+GxeV4eLqvV43SXeD1VnJ77K+0X2m8WWhI1/Z4AEGts=; b=fy6eOplqAMsWBucV3RQKPFYovEFdLkeS2lmCL874QRgYeIKKVVCFejazJdYVK94brM jAuy/JUWK+NLKoi4LylOOLmYGY520tJXtjM648Yr4Mw25+DCrmjxYFo9Oxe2PIcsjUqN bgsshqfo6vCvUMHYhu4Ul3Q8l05+nWAPXTwj0R39RNF3b7TyXSmVkdwTGNm3+Di6BR8l v/wqPyRZVNB6zJAJTdXD8tcTIVhoV4TzLQ+XdQ8anaZiWRGOF4Xi6kvEA2KjuxBTnMtp yc1ZnaeVJj5diVd/0DVTDFFPg6RJzWRBrxRF2OtE+ktxk+3RAdwIALsmWNLZvtspCVDZ NyKg== pk2mr2338524igb.10.1377868232846; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 06:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.17] (97-127-70-76.mpls.qwest.net. [97.127.70.76]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ih14sm3799881igb.7.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 30 Aug 2013 06:10:31 -0700 (PDT) References: <20130830.080422.22439.4@webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com> From: Paul Root Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 08:10:31 -0500 To: "mgbob@juno.com" Cc: "ptroot@gmail.com" , "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mgs] Painting the floor. (Was Top installation) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I used the Rustoleum Epoxy garage floor kit available at the local home improvement store. I cleaned everything out of the garage, but have no place for things like the work bench, tool chest, and some rolling shelves I built. Then sweep, sweep, sweep. Hose it out. Sweep some more. Then degreaser, scrubbing all the oil and whatever spots. Then sweep, hose, repeat. Next was patching. I got a 10lb bag of vinyl concrete patch, and patched the cracks and holes. I could have uses another 5lbs probably. Rustoleum has some epoxy patch as well, but I didn't notice it when I bought the vinyl. That was day one. It was hot out. More than 30 minutes at a time out there was about all I could do. The second morning was etching. The kit comes with a bag or citric acid. You mix it up, hose the floor and.scrub with the acid. Rinse, rinse, rinse. Let it dry. They warn now, that it has to be absolutely clean. Then it is just a matter of mixing, pore the activator into the base, mix for three minutes. I also added some anti-slip grit.. Then wait according to the temperature as found on the provided chart. For me, that was no wait. Paint a section, sprinkle on the color chips, repeat. At above 80F, the chart says you have an hour to apply. That isn't a problem. Then, 24 hours dry time to walk on, and 72 or more for driving. The proof will be after a winter with the stuff. Two nights ago, it rained. Last night it didn't. Paul. Sent from my iPad On Aug 30, 2013, at 12:04 PM, "mgbob@juno.com" wrote: > John Twist writes about the top bar glueing in the Sept/Oct issue of MGB > Driver. He says to wrap and glue the rear fabric around the bar, then when > dry, wrap and glue the front fabric. > Vinyl adhesive from hardware store may be the cheapest effective glue. > I didn't glue it, though. The bar must be at the sem to achieve the > correct profile, but I used a light cord on each side to position the bar. > The bar can then move when folding, and the top folds slightly tighter. > Tell us more about the floor paint, why you chose the one you did, and > about concrete preparation, please. > Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 31 17:47:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421F140547 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 17:47:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7FEC540325 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 17:44:47 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1377992686; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=fKTtjNs5x8QuK2pVA/6N4fFkzKk2tNngbW0qSvnuj7PzwFN3umY3qWVc1O1i1fN1W 1Rn1dAzrQ8XT3V7K5QOF+2tlr8xPjYVo5fBammwqahLsmLFfFt2XPWzqky2W+ymLQN 4lqIrRtKy11FypOq+3ZuRyHbV94/AzBN2S1BTHh4= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.102]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABKCE976AG6YGHS for (sender ); Sat, 31 Aug 2013 16:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 23:42:36 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 23:42:36 GMT To: lundgren@byu.net Cc: mgs@autox.team.net, bmcu@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cost to blast and powder coat a set of Rostyle rims? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net A tombstone cutter blasted Rostyle wheels for my MGB at $25 each, and I just had bonnet, front & wings, running boards, fuel tank and spare tire carrier for my TD blasted, $520. I painted the wheels with Duplicolor Argent. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Andrew B. Lundgren" To: bmcu@autox.team.net, "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mgs] Cost to blast and powder coat a set of Rostyle rims? Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 17:16:28 -0600 Anyone have an idea of what it costs in th US to sandblast and powdercoat a set of Rostyles for an MGB? I found some that look pretty bad. Surface rust and what not. I am not sure it is worth buying them and bringing them back. Thanks! -- Andrew _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 31 18:02:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5A640550 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 18:02:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f51.google.com (mail-vb0-f51.google.com [209.85.212.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C446240338 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 18:02:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f51.google.com with SMTP id x16so2233983vbf.10 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 17:02:25 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=aWCRWsSxdgKwiQky0UTzQayU8AVVOW58Ya7vt0qDLDM=; b=j0qyY6tCJc9jaZclluCP4CC76jC65g1HZ2MWmOpA4rkUanmw3xwVoHx3CVAXsH4BXP F7kyvtf/FNsNdkbTQ+gqozNkhllgZfO8xPKlhZb21JqnLBx1Apgl9KiOGwgS2pSQ3Li3 eRPNEi2VM/vyOXJ2PIvlJvQmYrNAQ+9Sf2CxMSCOVsdGCU34lwmpgpVCcJNWm7Rez7Dy 5vLCs+9uTxuNN1oRl0kiAf57JHHKgpt3FUYa1WIFJeBZSFsX0rrxGDM3dssVtFdkqoVL ayydbzhwYKOrDkV5ho+bgalj68ZsC28yPKH5oBro9mvNLo1ilyEeXwFDHDtn7yPTfICf 5h3g== kx9mr15362945veb.3.1377993745394; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 17:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.107.164 with HTTP; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 17:02:25 -0700 (PDT) References: <533CA74FFAD74676A21849AF627F1496@paul> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 17:02:25 -0700 From: Simon Matthews To: PaulHunt73 Cc: MGS Subject: Re: [Mgs] Alternator? problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Paul, thanks for your suggestions. At the fusebox and at the alternator, I measured about 14.2V with the engine running and revved up. With headlights on, this drops to about 13.8V. So, clearly, the alternator is working and the connection to the fusebox is not too bad (I measured 0.2 ohms between the alternator and the fusebox, which did seem rather high). Turning on the headlights on had no effect on the brightness of the ignition light on the dashboard. What should I look at next? Simon On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:37 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > Does it glow more brightly with the headlights on? That is an indication > of bad alternator diodes or bad connections. > > The first thing you should do is to measure the system voltage on the > brown wire at the fusebox, with respect to earth. Ignition off should > normally be about 12.8v (unless the engine has only just been turned off > when it will probably be higher). Ignition on will drop a couple of > tenths. Engine started and running at about 2k rpm should be about 14.5v. > As you start turning things on it will drop, but with headlights, heater > fan, stop lights etc. all switched on it should still be above 12.8v. > > If below that measure the voltage on the output wire of the alternator, a > thick brown, under the same conditions. If that is also below then the > alternator is faulty. If clearly above what you measured on the fusebox > brown then there are one or more bad connections between those two points. > > The connections between the two brown wires and the battery cable on the > solenoid stud is a candidate for that, remove the battery earth strap for > safety before tackling these. Also measure the voltage on the brown and > white wires at the ignition switch and its multi-plug connections. Good > voltage on a brown but lower voltage on a white points to the ignition > switch. > > The first link shows a late model 3-terminal alternator, although the two > large spades are linked together and are both output spades. The > standard-sized terminal is the warning light. The other two terminals were > never used on MGBs. MGBs *did* have five (69 to 71) and four (68) terminal > alternators with two plugs, and the second link, left-hand image shows the > two-plug, five terminal arrangement that a 71 would have had originally. > It depends on what you have now as to what you have to do, if you have the > three spades in a row, two large and one small like the second link, image > on the right, then the mod has already been done. > > PaulH. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> We have a '71 MGB which is having charging problems, I think. The ignition >> (red) light on the dashboard only goes out (well, it goes very dim) when >> cruising on the freeway. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 31 19:51:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8728F403F2 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 19:51:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi176.prodigy.net (nlpi176.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B91F403D8 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 19:50:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-68-255-0-4.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [68.255.0.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi176.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r811oYqR013141; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 20:50:35 -0500 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 20:51:59 -0500 To: Simon Matthews From: Barney Gaylord mail.com> References: <533CA74FFAD74676A21849AF627F1496@paul> Cc: MGS Subject: Re: [Mgs] Alternator? problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Simon, Do what youi should have done in the first place. Measure voltage at battery terminals with headlights on and engine running. It should be ar least 13.6 volts at idle, and something over 14.5 volts at 2000 rpm engine speed. Net time required, about 10 minutes. If not sufficient voltage, then remove the alternator and take it to the nearest auto parts store to have it tested. If it doesn't work well, get a replacement in the same trip. Go home and put in on the car. Net time required, about an hour. If it was a bad alternator, the problem is fixed that easy. If it was a good alternator, it didn't cost anything to figure out you were barking up the wrong tree, and you can get on with cleaning wire connections (like five days ago). Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com At 05:02 PM 8/31/2013 -0700, Simon Matthews wrote: >.... >At the fusebox and at the alternator, I measured about 14.2V with the >engine running and revved up. With headlights on, this drops to about >13.8V. So, clearly, the alternator is working and the connection to the >fusebox is not too bad (I measured 0.2 ohms between the alternator and the >fusebox, which did seem rather high). Turning on the headlights on had no >effect on the brightness of the ignition light on the dashboard. >.... >On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:37 AM, PaulHunt73 >wrote: > > Does it glow more brightly with the headlights on? That is an indication > > of bad alternator diodes or bad connections. > > > > The first thing you should do is to measure the system voltage on the > > brown wire at the fusebox, with respect to earth. Ignition off should > > normally be about 12.8v (unless the engine has only just been turned off > > when it will probably be higher). Ignition on will drop a couple of > > tenths. Engine started and running at about 2k rpm should be about 14.5v. > > As you start turning things on it will drop, but with headlights, heater > > fan, stop lights etc. all switched on it should still be above 12.8v. > > > > If below that measure the voltage on the output wire of the alternator, a > > thick brown, under the same conditions. If that is also below then the > > alternator is faulty. If clearly above what you measured on the fusebox > > brown then there are one or more bad connections between those two points. > > > > The connections between the two brown wires and the battery cable on the > > solenoid stud is a candidate for that, remove the battery earth strap for > > safety before tackling these. Also measure the voltage on the brown and > > white wires at the ignition switch and its multi-plug connections. Good > > voltage on a brown but lower voltage on a white points to the ignition > > switch. > > > > The first link shows a late model 3-terminal alternator, although the two > > large spades are linked together and are both output spades. The > > standard-sized terminal is the warning light. The other two terminals were > > never used on MGBs. MGBs *did* have five (69 to 71) and four (68) terminal > > alternators with two plugs, and the second link, left-hand image shows the > > two-plug, five terminal arrangement that a 71 would have had originally. > > It depends on what you have now as to what you have to do, if you have the > > three spades in a row, two large and one small like the second link, image > > on the right, then the mod has already been done. > >.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> We have a '71 MGB which is having charging problems, I think. The ignition > >> (red) light on the dashboard only goes out (well, it goes very dim) when > >> cruising on the freeway. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 31 19:56:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F8A4040A for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 19:56:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f51.google.com (mail-oa0-f51.google.com [209.85.219.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE24D403D8 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 19:55:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id h1so3869258oag.24 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 18:55:48 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=J+qkAx06fPbKB0bMdh66HpHqjyjKvBuBq4nXOwe6gnI=; b=sThWZ/gIycKB2DeuBU8Y2OlriRktlGQpMlfg9OwTp/rmXodjlWEgxYVoIBb7+P2zDx Wu9H1Vc4KVtxEGgJFieT8WptGpMg7O8QKbBc99AUHnhAvmWA8Qrp0Zwo7GjTPO2GF/nX 1CLy+/wUNbdnyk/odpZIH+3J6a0lRNqdQ49AOKk+LJPBNfJvHCJPFv1r76kbLWWqFgMD uJI69gUyd93PDU03soneFpjY2UFen2kx1hPOxnwvRl6W+oSDQVdJQyYYSkXl9oeaqMkX GByv/RT6XVFwSoX2vWzRWz3Ad2igOwE73F7va1BRTDR9ECx0lezDV7iPjRweJgt5gqi/ K/BA== tq5mr11964936obb.97.1378000548021; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 18:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.145.196 with HTTP; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 18:55:47 -0700 (PDT) References: <533CA74FFAD74676A21849AF627F1496@paul> <201309010150.r811oYqR013141@nlpi176.prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 18:55:47 -0700 From: Richard Ewald To: Barney Gaylord Cc: MGS Subject: Re: [Mgs] Alternator? problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Simon, As long as you have your meter out, with the engine running at 2000 and the lights on, measure *AC* voltage between the alternator output and ground. Yes I said AC. If you see more than about .4V AC you have a problem with shorted diode(s) Rick On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Barney Gaylord wrote: > Simon, > > Do what youi should have done in the first place. Measure voltage at > battery terminals with headlights on and engine running. It should be ar > least 13.6 volts at idle, and something over 14.5 volts at 2000 rpm engine > speed. Net time required, about 10 minutes. > > If not sufficient voltage, then remove the alternator and take it to the > nearest auto parts store to have it tested. If it doesn't work well, get a > replacement in the same trip. Go home and put in on the car. Net time > required, about an hour. > > If it was a bad alternator, the problem is fixed that easy. If it was a > good alternator, it didn't cost anything to figure out you were barking up > the wrong tree, and you can get on with cleaning wire connections (like > five days ago). > > Barney Gaylord > 1958 MGA with an attitude > http://MGAguru.com > > > At 05:02 PM 8/31/2013 -0700, Simon Matthews wrote: > >> .... >> >> At the fusebox and at the alternator, I measured about 14.2V with the >> engine running and revved up. With headlights on, this drops to about >> 13.8V. So, clearly, the alternator is working and the connection to the >> fusebox is not too bad (I measured 0.2 ohms between the alternator and the >> fusebox, which did seem rather high). Turning on the headlights on had no >> effect on the brightness of the ignition light on the dashboard. >> .... >> > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:37 AM, PaulHunt73 >> **wrote: >> > Does it glow more brightly with the headlights on? That is an >> indication >> > of bad alternator diodes or bad connections. >> > >> > The first thing you should do is to measure the system voltage on the >> > brown wire at the fusebox, with respect to earth. Ignition off should >> > normally be about 12.8v (unless the engine has only just been turned off >> > when it will probably be higher). Ignition on will drop a couple of >> > tenths. Engine started and running at about 2k rpm should be about >> 14.5v. >> > As you start turning things on it will drop, but with headlights, >> heater >> > fan, stop lights etc. all switched on it should still be above 12.8v. >> > >> > If below that measure the voltage on the output wire of the alternator, >> a >> > thick brown, under the same conditions. If that is also below then the >> > alternator is faulty. If clearly above what you measured on the fusebox >> > brown then there are one or more bad connections between those two >> points. >> > >> > The connections between the two brown wires and the battery cable on the >> > solenoid stud is a candidate for that, remove the battery earth strap >> for >> > safety before tackling these. Also measure the voltage on the brown and >> > white wires at the ignition switch and its multi-plug connections. Good >> > voltage on a brown but lower voltage on a white points to the ignition >> > switch. >> > >> > The first link shows a late model 3-terminal alternator, although the >> two >> > large spades are linked together and are both output spades. The >> > standard-sized terminal is the warning light. The other two terminals >> were >> > never used on MGBs. MGBs *did* have five (69 to 71) and four (68) >> terminal >> > alternators with two plugs, and the second link, left-hand image shows >> the >> > two-plug, five terminal arrangement that a 71 would have had originally. >> > It depends on what you have now as to what you have to do, if you have >> the >> > three spades in a row, two large and one small like the second link, >> image >> > on the right, then the mod has already been done. >> >.... >> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> We have a '71 MGB which is having charging problems, I think. The >> ignition >> >> (red) light on the dashboard only goes out (well, it goes very dim) >> when >> >> cruising on the freeway. >> > ______________________________**_________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/mgs/richard.ewald@** > gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net