From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 19 21:14:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294C12584ADF for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 21:14:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661B72580457; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 21:11:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62642C0086; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 21:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 21:12:00 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: MG List , MG Subject: [Mgs] Team.Net Archives Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Finally some progress this weekend! Got the links in the postfix imap procmail mharc namazu cron chain all straightened out. Don't worry if you don't understand that part, just know that the messages to the Team.Net lists are now getting added to the archives on an hourly basis once again. Next on the list is getting all the missing months added. But for now, time for a cold one. mjb. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 27 11:56:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 611952584CA8 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 11:56:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm47-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm47-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.124]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFAF2580BD9 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 11:55:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.143] by nm47.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2014 17:56:01 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.204] by tm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2014 17:56:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2014 17:56:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 96021 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jul 2014 17:56:01 -0000 s=s1024; t=1406483761; bh=StuJOckdRsKeBJdZCIv/ZyYC45cKABM/yUwJ8f3oby0=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xm+mpV08/cS4h0w4pRxkqUo7WxT/1GoVZVzmsHTHqW+gJUzuXm6bHjFl0vmB1iluiuWnjOzKFTNu4KcjIyCkwAkjracLAEIsTilHBf2/lM/wzSF0q6MbzMnm/xR/1UWrOUV/5bjFgocOFmq8xo1iGJF/HJBhaYOzW7W3CTsAWJQ= ETk7hmTIN4NrY0GGjfa33Z9yU5PA0Zz8psOaSI_zXwlm_kCxCpRTrzG5aKMw NGXTwXKl_dVscfV4nQDyVkwY.KW1pMpGWkKjmBizeqemO8k4ykGYyTG987Sp w7pE_Q4bFoKy41hLivIhAvuD.h00bG_Nyq6RlibLvCWj.3.FAU8E7ThaTU6v ZRCqAObgCNh_zqbEgx0I6jaCUXy5jtCKG92F5xXi3lbE2hSkZujhB77gD8SX pNyB1L0XWY.tZSt9.LIyK2uka8896qrUWyDECXHhsfSskRiyTADpn5sNGV8J 9so1MfDYdoiCZk_tIHsH0ucgWOPtGum3Qk24zYfh4oUHUBFIeeybGtXa2JCG bjbu_I_BZ7tHc3k_1EubMIz0IqGJbE5QqXCad5Fdh6aeK7RP0E_jIKmmhlT8 6NsASs6vfqyySSsb2Iw1msYt5ySgX9LGcq1zbqUDGdksHqagxaxoweFT7DTr 9FsW8HeH6MDHQgwnZ4H_geDzcoGfCzS8ZqWGytA3EQtRP1KJbTA-- Received: from [76.124.249.227] by web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 10:56:01 PDT RGVhciBMaXN0ZXJzOgoKSSBoYXZlIGJlZW4gd29ya2luZyBvbiBteSAnNzQgTUdCLUdUIGxhdGVseSwgYW5kIEkgbm90aWNlZCB0aGF0IHRoZSBmcm9udCB3aGVlbHMgZG9uJ3Qgcm90YXRlIHRoZSBzYW1lLsKgIFRoZSBMSCBzaWRlIHJvdGF0ZXMgbW9yZSBmcmVlbHkgdGhhbiB0aGUgUkggc2lkZS7CoCAKClRoaW5raW5nCiB0aGlzIHdhcyBhIHN0aWNraW5nIGJyYWtlIGNhbGlwZXIsIEkgcmVwbGFjZWQgYm90aCBjYWxpcGVycywgYnJha2UgCmZsZXhpYmxlIGxpbmVzIGFuZCBwYWRzIChhbG9uZyB3aXRoIHQBMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 10:56:01 -0700 From: Matthew Milkevitch To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mgs] Brake Caliper Problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Dear Listers: I have been working on my '74 MGB-GT lately, and I noticed that the front wheels don't rotate the same. The LH side rotates more freely than the RH side. Thinking this was a sticking brake caliper, I replaced both calipers, brake flexible lines and pads (along with the discs). After doing this work, things are a little improved but the wheels still don't rotate the same. You can hear the RH side scraping when the wheel turns. When you pull the pads out of the RH side and push the caliper piston in a little and re-install the pads, the wheel turns freely like the LH side. Once you push in the brake pedal in, however, the condition returns. To my knowledge, the wheel bearings are correctly adjusted (outer nut to 60 ft/lbs, the hub turns freely with no "clunk." Any advice on where to check next? Do you think this is an issue with the master cylinder or the hard brake line to that caliper perhaps? Thanks for any help, Matt Milkevitch Maple Glen, PA 1974 MGB-GT _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 27 13:49:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA6D2584CBD for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 13:49:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6DDC3258070B for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 13:49:10 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1406490574; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=b74VZZXwCqJCUPtZfEwYmf0bnIiou/HIwbQSUS6NVnKfiZ4pvwKl5zRC9lOmt5Air QHSRca+pMTGIgjX4mXlgrAh/Us6pFLxDnP8EvP/0w8pg0OrLk6Vcqg+qiV0JJ4M92o EX/S/WQl39e5DuGn6MloKHvjEX5GrisHKUl2asqE= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.103]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABK7LX7HAUZ8H2A for (sender ); Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:47:18 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:47:18 GMT To: mmilkevitch@yahoo.com Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake Caliper Problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Matt, The master cylinder is divided, with one section for front brakes and the other for rear. It is unlikely that the MC is related to this. More likely is that the brake hose or the brake calliper piston is causing the problem. That you were able to relieve it when you prised the piston back shows that the problem is on one side. Brake hoses fail internally while appearing on the outside to be perfect. I would suggest that if you are uncertain of their age, or if you know that they are over ten years of age, to replace all three of them, and the clutch hose as well. It may, of course, be the piston, but old hoses are eventually going to cause you concern. If you remove the pads on the affected wheel, you can gently squeeze out the piston. Have a look at its outside diameter. If pitted or rusty, it may be sticking and causing the problem. You may be able to polish it so that it does not stick any more, but for the effort involved, I think replacing them is the way to go. Brake parts for MGB are not expensive, so replacing anything that could be at fault is not wasted effort.Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Matthew Milkevitch To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mgs] Brake Caliper Problem Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 10:56:01 -0700 Dear Listers: I have been working on my '74 MGB-GT lately, and I noticed that the front wheels don't rotate the same. The LH side rotates more freely than the RH side. Thinking this was a sticking brake caliper, I replaced both calipers, brake flexible lines and pads (along with the discs). After doing this work, things are a little improved but the wheels still don't rotate the same. You can hear the RH side scraping when the wheel turns. When you pull the pads out of the RH side and push the caliper piston in a little and re-install the pads, the wheel turns freely like the LH side. Once you push in the brake pedal in, however, the condition returns. To my knowledge, the wheel bearings are correctly adjusted (outer nut to 60 ft/lbs, the hub turns freely with no "clunk." Any advice on where to check next? Do you think this is an issue with the master cylinder or the hard brake line to that caliper perhaps? Thanks for any help, Matt Milkevitch Maple Glen, PA 1974 MGB-GT _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 27 14:11:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA2EC2584CBF for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:11:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta54.windstream.net (pacmmta54.windstream.net [162.39.147.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 434C72584CA1 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:11:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([207.155.7.59]) by pacmmta54.windstream.net with pacmmta54 id XYBe1o00C1GQySP01YBfma; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:11:39 -0400 a=K4SIImUyAeQX1TCKPzmWiw==:117 a=K4SIImUyAeQX1TCKPzmWiw==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=tcnv99F1KMcA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=ciSV9Sd27hXST4o5GRkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta54.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:11:37 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: "mgs@autox.team.net" References: <1406483761.87844.YahooMailNeo@web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake Caliper Problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I'd suggest you drive the car a few miles & then check the right side for drag. The runout of the disc should knock the piston back while driving. Remember that the hub end play isn't a matter of the torque on the nut; it's a matter of having the correct total thickness of shims in the hub. CR On 7/27/2014 12:56 PM, Matthew Milkevitch wrote: > Dear Listers: > > I have been working on my '74 MGB-GT lately, and I noticed that > the front wheels don't rotate the same. The LH side rotates more freely than > the RH side. > > Thinking > this was a sticking brake caliper, I replaced both > calipers, brake > flexible lines and pads (along with the discs). > > After > doing this work, things > are a little improved but the wheels still don't > rotate the same. You > can hear the RH side scraping when the wheel turns. > When you pull the > pads out of the RH side and push the caliper piston in a > little and > re-install the pads, the wheel turns freely like the LH side. > Once you > push in the brake pedal in, however, the condition returns. > > To my > knowledge, the wheel bearings are correctly adjusted (outer nut to 60 ft/lbs, > the hub turns freely with no "clunk." > > Any > advice on where to check next? Do > you think this is an issue with the > master cylinder or the hard brake line to > that caliper perhaps? > > Thanks for any help, > Matt Milkevitch > Maple Glen, PA > 1974 MGB-GT > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 27 14:52:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EED82584D31 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:52:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.39.168]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 388E72584510 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:52:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 13299 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jul 2014 20:52:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw2) (10.0.90.83) by gproxy6.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2014 20:52:31 -0000 Received: from box609.bluehost.com ([70.40.220.109]) by cmgw2 with id XYsT1o0092ND4fa01YsWgT; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:52:30 -0600 a=lIFjRvzYbs2a9zjsf5t3KA==:117 a=lIFjRvzYbs2a9zjsf5t3KA==:17 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=a49_8Uz-DYIA:10 a=-TU9osuVCq4A:10 a=8dNBPBS7AAAA:8 a=S2G5HiNCMuAA:10 a=7kFND-iB2YkA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=ibv85iP8zd16U1pCYJ0A:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=3nzlPgyju9vvkLObf8EA:9 a=sRJTJqumUjQ4cz5D:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=AOJoUuJYahWJPeojg8QnPpgnVdxTTMWwD8Tlsc2ssrY=; b=Fs/wvvccNQsef0mQtVrrdvXd5frmSpBWBwJXl7CEQh9Dq4dYaJ3QmWhv2bwSSoOUaY7g4WBG6+M1j4TbE4wiEeQrvW9pUEDVuakv7oL48nKTBS6pL8Kk4mT7elvuXXnW; Received: from [98.212.127.207] (port=55394 helo=[192.168.0.101]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XBVQh-0007F4-Ep for mgs@autox.team.net; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:52:27 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:52:23 -0500 From: Ed Kaler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 To: "mgs@autox.team.net" References: <1406483761.87844.YahooMailNeo@web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <53D55CF9.80500@ktc.com> {sentby:smtp auth 98.212.127.207 authed with shop@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake Caliper Problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net #1: E D I T Y O U R R E P L I E S [before DMARC p="reject" catches you] !! #2: "To:" MUST be the List you are 'replying to with ZERO 'other' 'targets' ! ! ! #3: DELETE usage of aol, yahoo, hotmail, & MSN. ***XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX* << On 7/27/2014 3:11 PM, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: > it's a matter of having the correct total thickness of shims in the > hub. >> My VERY first\t thought, Charlie :-) ;-) :-) ! ! ! And Matt, ENTIRE "assembly/parts 'collection' " must be "sterile" clean ;-) :-) ;-) ! ! Oooops, that includes bearings [which WILL be a PITA :-D :-D :-D :-D ! ! ! Ed " Just Brits " _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 27 16:03:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D15A2584D2F for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:03:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f53.google.com (mail-la0-f53.google.com [209.85.215.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 766182584CB7 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:03:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f53.google.com with SMTP id gl10so4731615lab.26 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:03:27 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Rztzm1Ql1CMzbT8UsdrqDqugSd1LletJju8HhYH+YR4=; b=eL6tnJdXBRaDeMPUPVhgK43CeZbV5QLCGAdLFSuk/7t4HaRCSuVxscBn0Hduu3YsG9 FK4DxuHyd/VYXM1AMWO9qXB024wOF/nxtloP6WLJa87J+A/OSAC++2dq336/j3YPL+ER QtrB/bY0tXCCrxEmLFzF4PQxeGYGudu2EQ6jWZTKI1Rfl7I6BWXyVNY5djFSipuZxq9R Ki63/3mSpRpEa41qYpJygV1+XHTV8ZA4CfQW6mNMjCZVjMB6igFPucwOG4hAMshRU+5S PckZbg6EiuYV12/B9LyJevDGs82eiPCJ7idtftE37ju94NM4swLocXwVFLOjmSi7RBgq 65Yw== os4mr28352549lbb.29.1406498606856; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.139.72 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 23:03:26 +0100 From: Thompson Allan To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] MGB Servo sticking? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi there, Wondering if anyone has a suggestion as to what may be the cause of the brake servo on my 1977 MGB appearing to come on late and stick. When I press the brake pedal and the car slows to a stop, the servo appears to become 'active' taking some pressure off the brake pedal and 'clamping' the brakes on for a brief period. Has anyone experience of this phenomenon? regards Allan _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 27 18:55:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 041F92584521 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 18:55:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE1E2584494 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 18:55:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BedroomPC (ool-18bce5e0.dyn.optonline.net [24.188.229.224]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0N9E00G7MD9CEP40@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 20:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 20:56:00 -0400 From: John Di Fede To: mgs@autox.team.net Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac+p/a4mpQAF4Z8FQlmlywDna5kzgg== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake Caliper Problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Matt, Unless the brake pads are really pressing up against the rotors, you may not have a problem at all. I would drive the car for a few miles and then check the temperature of the RH wheel. It will be very hot if the brakes are applying pressure against the rotor. You can check the temperature by touching the center of each front wheel and compare the temperature. If there is a problem with the brakes, the RH wheel will be hot. John Di Fede ------------------------------------------------------------------ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 10:56:01 -0700 From: Matthew Milkevitch To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mgs] Brake Caliper Problem Message-ID: <1406483761.87844.YahooMailNeo@web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Dear Listers: I have been working on my '74 MGB-GT lately, and I noticed that the front wheels don't rotate the same. The LH side rotates more freely than the RH side. Thinking this was a sticking brake caliper, I replaced both calipers, brake flexible lines and pads (along with the discs). After doing this work, things are a little improved but the wheels still don't rotate the same. You can hear the RH side scraping when the wheel turns. When you pull the pads out of the RH side and push the caliper piston in a little and re-install the pads, the wheel turns freely like the LH side. Once you push in the brake pedal in, however, the condition returns. To my knowledge, the wheel bearings are correctly adjusted (outer nut to 60 ft/lbs, the hub turns freely with no "clunk." Any advice on where to check next? Do you think this is an issue with the master cylinder or the hard brake line to that caliper perhaps? Thanks for any help, Matt Milkevitch Maple Glen, PA 1974 MGB-GT ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Mgs mailing list Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs ------------------------------ End of Mgs Digest, Vol 86, Issue 8 ********************************** --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 27 19:58:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD4B2584546 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:58:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE4A2584456 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:58:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Xdwt1o00327AodY51dywo1; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 01:58:56 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([69.137.98.208]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Xdyv1o00E4Vlk3H3fdywzJ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 01:58:56 +0000 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 20:58:40 -0500 From: Glenn Schnittke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: s=q20140121; t=1406512736; bh=Jwkn5yyzCCup7O7PIsPwO7XLAGIBoD9DK3LTwsCjAwA=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=rxLi45sfAV5rcpeaHfR7h6cwktOPz4lJ3ytG0mAwYnIx/BXzqCpkskftpYpbs9UEu Jb3ToWKZDwcTZzsfx7kZIbSjGjdAJ9mbPfBgQMkC7SPiGWJ9iIFscPE36qH9xcv8QN lbE2624uitkawxHI+BKv5/n6e6/w/Il4SaGewo8BjMY7PdbC2fAEeVxvMuhuTC069H HHs8iGiB6UDFU1Z4OHZWnLLB5wdWeOc6PCUvReYwnYImPl5SCCwq34VaDLaP0L2bgF 1i51HJHVtCj6zwfmf48Pj8VaqVJiFyPHo71+NHIbQ5CXnd39ooALEE6hhff1yFDR0U AT/QxX+nrXzMQ== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 86, Issue 8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Matt, It could very well be a bad new part(ie., one caliper). It also could be striving for perfection. A little drag is acceptable. Too much isn't. If you race the caror drive it to work everyday it's an issue. If you drive it 200 miles a year it isn't. If you can easily rotate the wheel after applying and letting off the brake pedal I wouldn't worry much about it. The worst it's going to do, if it's bad, is make the car pull to one side on fast heavy braking. Make sure your rear brakes are in good shape and adjusted. Take it out for a test drive.In a safe place, slam on the brakes. If it pulls to one side or the other you've got a problem. If it doesn't, then all you're concerned with is slightly more wear on one side than the other. Over several thousand miles. The master cylinder in your car is going to have the same effect on both sides of the car front and rear. If only one wheel is locking it's not the M/C. That's my take. Glenn On 7/27/2014 1:00 PM, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Dear Listers: > > I have been working on my '74 MGB-GT lately, and I noticed that > the front wheels don't rotate the same. The LH side rotates more freely than > the RH side. > > Thinking > this was a sticking brake caliper, I replaced both > calipers, brake > flexible lines and pads (along with the discs). > > After > doing this work, things > are a little improved but the wheels still don't > rotate the same. You > can hear the RH side scraping when the wheel turns. > When you pull the > pads out of the RH side and push the caliper piston in a > little and > re-install the pads, the wheel turns freely like the LH side. > Once you > push in the brake pedal in, however, the condition returns. > > To my > knowledge, the wheel bearings are correctly adjusted (outer nut to 60 ft/lbs, > the hub turns freely with no "clunk." > > Any > advice on where to check next? Do > you think this is an issue with the > master cylinder or the hard brake line to > that caliper perhaps? > > Thanks for any help, > Matt Milkevitch > Maple Glen, PA > 1974 MGB-GT _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 28 01:38:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F932584540 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 01:38:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-4.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-4.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35FE02584537 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 01:38:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-4-imp with bizsmtp id Xjey1o01f4LtS4201jeyX9; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 08:38:58 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=FFXc2EUAkz0A:10 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=fmogdnDHGoBKO-VGpg0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Thompson Allan" , References: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 08:17:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB Servo sticking? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Not uncommon. The air valve on the remote servo sticks which prevents the vacuum on one side of the diaphragm from filling, and that keeps pressure on the fluid downstream of the servo. My roadster has done it for years intermittently, in hot weather, usually a tap of the brake pedal releases it. But a pal's was so severe while away touring we had to disconnect the vacuum hose from the servo and plug it with a spare spark plug. Some say lubricating the air valve with silicone grease fixes it, others point to the installation instructions for the after-market Lockheed servo that shows the servo fitted with the air-valve pointing downwards instead of upwards as the factory fitted it, yet more say the air valve needs to be removed and it's cylinder polished with fine wet and dry. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Wondering if anyone has a suggestion as to what may be the cause of the > brake servo on my 1977 MGB appearing to come on late and stick. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 28 01:39:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546A12584E2D for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 01:39:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-4.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-4.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CA125806E7 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 01:38:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-4-imp with bizsmtp id Xjey1o01f4LtS4201jeyXD; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 08:38:58 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=ZCE2sukLiayJYHSBlU0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 From: "PaulHunt73" To: , References: <20140727.154718.17802.0@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 08:29:22 +0100 Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake Caliper Problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That's a lot of time, trouble and money to expend without doing a proper diagnosis, particularly when it didn't solve the problem. Firstly, you should have retracted the pistons, or removed the pads, and spun the wheels. Are they the same or different now? If different it's something to do with the hubs, not the braking system. If they spin the same with the pistons retracted, but don't when the brakes are applied and released, briefly slacken the bleed nipple on the binding side. If they then spin the same, and especially if there was a spurt of fluid when you slackened the bleed nipple, then the flex hose that side is probably breaking down and acting as a one-way valve. If the binding side still binds with the bleed nipple having been slackened then retract the pistons all the way back, and have someone very slowly push the brake pedal bit by bit while you see what the pistons are doing. If one or both pistons on the binding wheel only start moving when the others are pushing their pads right up against the disc, and particularly if they are retarding their disc, then you probably have a sticking piston. It's worth removing the pads, extending the pistons, then wrapping one turn of cord round them dampened with brake fluid, and pulling the cord back and fore to polish the pistons. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > I have been working on my '74 MGB-GT lately, and I noticed that > the front wheels don't rotate the same. The LH side rotates more freely > than > the RH side. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 28 09:12:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFC72584E9B for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 09:12:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta56.windstream.net (pacmmta56.windstream.net [162.39.147.222]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4283258456A for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 09:12:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([207.155.7.59]) by pacmmta56.windstream.net with pacmmta56 id XrCh1o0051GQySP01rCi2W; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:12:42 -0400 a=K4SIImUyAeQX1TCKPzmWiw==:117 a=K4SIImUyAeQX1TCKPzmWiw==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=tcnv99F1KMcA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=CPDALUZyQgXlP9EGaJsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=M30TKReAZfsA:10 a=BHCW1Xuxrs4A:10 a=lneyZ03jEmAA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta56.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 10:12:39 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Ed Kaler , "mgs@autox.team.net" References: <1406483761.87844.YahooMailNeo@web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <53D55CF9.80500@ktc.com> <53D56687.2000604@justbrits.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake Caliper Problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net A PITA for sure, especially on wire wheel hubs! CR On 7/27/2014 3:52 PM, Ed Kaler wrote: > ;-) :-) ;-) ! ! Oooops, that includes bearings [which WILL be a PITA > :-D :-D :-D :-D ! ! ! Ed " Just Brits " _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 28 19:24:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B48C25845D0 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 19:24:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d07.mx.aol.com (omr-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACB782580420 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 19:23:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mbc02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mbc02.mx.aol.com [172.26.221.144]) by omr-d07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 21B30702B96A6 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 21:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dne001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dne001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.160.65]) by mtaomg-mbc02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E823838000081 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 21:24:00 -0400 (EDT) To: Mgs@autox.team.net From: otis15@aol.com Received: from 24.210.252.186 by webmail-va002.sysops.aol.com (149.174.114.113) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 28 Jul 2014 21:24:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 21:24:00 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1406597041; bh=J512nufuhRHvf2jBNqOVz5N0a3Fs78YuafvoGTraiJo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UkeP/Okv+9+vP0Iu7zSqQXxYy1gJUBvCH8s7vy9Pb/ku1HgF654eb8jMcvgLtlsmG vNuuROLhFKbkTfan4YzXr6w8rSfQDCR2c1Ar6tVY4PfGswDOvjnLBD3izhSlByEtJ0 +P3qvwkKIxqu5yYwRV3ozlzOmgNxyNYDGcrjwLw0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1add9053d6f7b02bd2 Subject: [Mgs] test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Test otis15@aol.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 28 19:26:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ACDF2584698 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 19:26:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B7D258042F for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 19:26:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F1D62C0089; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 19:27:05 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 19:27:04 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: otis15@aol.com, Mgs@autox.team.net References: <8D178E2E9192C81-214C-62A2@webmail-va002.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry, you failed to pass the test. The testing fee is non-refundable. We apologize for any inconvenience. mjb, Team.Net Headmaster. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 29 01:41:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 392D525846A6 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 01:41:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-4.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-4.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8979258467A for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 01:40:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-4-imp with bizsmtp id Y7hC1o0304LtS42017hCHq; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 08:41:12 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=GUkFlFSYuLKTCSmdVmoA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=F3aKbl1KjdIA:10 a=0-tse_Fy_ssA:10 From: "PaulHunt73" To: , References: <1406483761.87844.YahooMailNeo@web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <53D55CF9.80500@ktc.com> <53D56687.2000604@justbrits.com> <53D66867.4040105@ktc.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 08:12:05 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake Caliper Problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net How so? ----- Original Message ----- >... especially on wire wheel hubs! _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 29 09:11:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89EE25846BB for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:11:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta55.windstream.net (pacmmta55.windstream.net [162.39.147.221]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026F92580765 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:08:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([207.155.7.59]) by pacmmta55.windstream.net with pacmmta55 id YF8Y1o00S1GQySP01F8ZGQ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 11:08:34 -0400 a=K4SIImUyAeQX1TCKPzmWiw==:117 a=K4SIImUyAeQX1TCKPzmWiw==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=tcnv99F1KMcA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=4qpsMSqVj227m791QnIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=eaITmWGx-qEA:10 a=erWMM07W5MoA:10 a=XrV9MRZXsyIA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta55.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 10:08:28 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: PaulHunt73 , mgs@autox.team.net References: <1406483761.87844.YahooMailNeo@web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <53D55CF9.80500@ktc.com> <53D56687.2000604@justbrits.com> <53D66867.4040105@ktc.com> <5CE34BCE7A714ECBB6819B46B023F216@paul> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake Caliper Problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mainly because the nuts/caps are recessed inside the splined hubs. CR On 7/29/2014 2:12 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > How so? > > ----- Original Message ----- >> ... especially on wire wheel hubs! _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 29 09:11:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A09A25846CA for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:11:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta55.windstream.net (pacmmta55.windstream.net [162.39.147.221]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785142580765 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:08:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([207.155.7.59]) by pacmmta55.windstream.net with pacmmta55 id YF9G1o0031GQySP01F9HRe; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 11:09:17 -0400 a=K4SIImUyAeQX1TCKPzmWiw==:117 a=K4SIImUyAeQX1TCKPzmWiw==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=tcnv99F1KMcA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=wQ5iDabE7IaV26D_jAUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=psXREZS0v_AA:10 a=Q94xJtFWm3wA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta55.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 10:09:11 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Mark J Bradakis , otis15@aol.com, Mgs@autox.team.net References: <8D178E2E9192C81-214C-62A2@webmail-va002.sysops.aol.com> <53D6F868.5080007@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net ROFL! -- CR On 7/28/2014 8:27 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Sorry, you failed to pass the test. The testing fee is non-refundable. > We apologize > for any inconvenience. > > mjb, Team.Net Headmaster. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 29 09:26:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07BFF258450E for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:26:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-4.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-4.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA77258043C for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:24:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-4-imp with bizsmtp id YFR31o04s4LtS4201FR4Xg; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 16:25:04 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=pxnlQwqvAAAA:8 a=dK0GMYpAuyYIZq8r0RgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=r4_-lOOJdkcA:10 a=ehsBoM6n844A:10 a=ZbjcNOxfxuMA:10 a=NjcEVlTHVgYA:10 From: "PaulHunt73" To: , References: <1406483761.87844.YahooMailNeo@web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <53D55CF9.80500@ktc.com> <53D56687.2000604@justbrits.com> <53D66867.4040105@ktc.com> <5CE34BCE7A714ECBB6819B46B023F216@paul> <53D7B8EC.3040804@ktc.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 16:24:48 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake Caliper Problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Easily resolved: http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/greasecap.htm#1 One the cap is off you bash a socket on and turn the nut to shear the spilt-pin, if you can't be bothered to remove it by more conventional means. ----- Original Message ----- > Mainly because the nuts/caps are recessed inside the splined hubs. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 29 09:43:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995D825846CD for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:43:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plwbeout06-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtp06-03-2.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [97.74.135.58]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF8B2580765 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:43:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([97.74.135.118]) by p3plwbeout06-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with bizsmtp id YFje1o0012ZSNkp01FjePc; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 08:43:38 -0700 Received: (qmail 19082 invoked by uid 99); 29 Jul 2014 15:43:38 -0000 User-Agent: Workspace Webmail 5.7.1 From: To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 08:43:36 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Flare wrench dilemma Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 29 10:01:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A02825846B3 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 10:01:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACB212580790 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 10:01:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ppp14-2-43-216.lns21.adl2.internode.on.net (HELO [192.168.178.22]) ([14.2.43.216]) by ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 30 Jul 2014 01:31:49 +0930 From: Eric Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 01:30:56 +0930 References: <20140729084336.5cece6eaa82752075bda15df45f90bd6.47c27c2c0d.wbe@email06.secureserver.net> To: MG list Subject: Re: [Mgs] Flare wrench dilemma Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 29 15:34:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DCD52584F7B for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 15:34:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta55.windstream.net (pacmmta55.windstream.net [162.39.147.221]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 430D62580499 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 15:34:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.172.30.82]) by pacmmta55.windstream.net with pacmmta55 id YMbE1o00n1mJS4w01MbFCT; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 17:35:16 -0400 a=imq8ry4v+4XwL5oeMnDKVA==:117 a=imq8ry4v+4XwL5oeMnDKVA==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=tcnv99F1KMcA:10 a=PZN74dxOO4QA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=pxnlQwqvAAAA:8 a=r7iDq6LYe1p0jliu1fAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=fxErxaS5-ssA:10 a=ehsBoM6n844A:10 a=7r1c575ctk0A:10 a=QdhwcxYjZ88A:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta55.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 16:35:10 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: PaulHunt73 , mgs@autox.team.net References: <1406483761.87844.YahooMailNeo@web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <53D55CF9.80500@ktc.com> <53D56687.2000604@justbrits.com> <53D66867.4040105@ktc.com> <5CE34BCE7A714ECBB6819B46B023F216@paul> <53D7B8EC.3040804@ktc.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake Caliper Problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I prefer to use more elegant means. :-) CR On 7/29/2014 10:24 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > Easily resolved: http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/greasecap.htm#1 > > One the cap is off you bash a socket on and turn the nut to shear the > spilt-pin, if you can't be bothered to remove it by more conventional > means. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> Mainly because the nuts/caps are recessed inside the splined hubs. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 29 22:17:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53BA2580749 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:17:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f180.google.com (mail-vc0-f180.google.com [209.85.220.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 027492580432 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:16:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id ij19so972443vcb.39 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:16:58 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JlgVfh/y3FXTFtYlovQh8VtKyRfAAoo5q5kkJTu5xvM=; b=TSiqklWH/waveAcQiY1C/tHwEaZMAtnhPRMwRUtSFkYlZ2tFNLg+pfhXsoQF066/fd CjpsdU3ZT5vXk61e6NFrBCc9XqjzJCuwIfqh22nLBGm7lUWYJodC1qC6fhkcOg55qEDl q96LhNFYwElB66aYchgeXT1h3MzrEfzl1EdJftcxtLjYOpxRq2Yc9JZ6yFEDw2vH/xCV OKnVtb3YKznmB7TprK4p/pYIYN5twu+qgdY2kXrfh7TXUduc1kUOnaA92vN+eyYGSGQA D0dgps0/kpKNatxe0ay9lkd7j0+JUemLWrBofD2B+Mpx4XZDU2CTQhf7dZpf2wU2Or5V HgpQ== ys7mr5282047vdb.42.1406693817919; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.28.102 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 00:16:57 -0400 From: MARK SHERMAN To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] MG TD Front Left Suspension components needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I am looking for the front left kingpin assembly, including steering knuckle, swivel pin and links. Please let me know if you have any of these. Thanks Mark Sherman New Jersey _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 29 22:38:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60962584F6F for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:38:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f179.google.com (mail-vc0-f179.google.com [209.85.220.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D827258074E for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:38:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id hq11so990594vcb.38 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:38:53 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=228Hq8HDHxXODld4nc5VLiQLO88Y7sYM8gdh5Ir6PKw=; b=phHoUxTUmSD7GWt/xUauw0AxZySjaqj2P8l2TZONkHmgx/Q2+6oin0XW+DTTX+nV8b 7vgf1LA59yqeXK6m00Xk6nvm3Fq8vT+gf9UQH903qKOsHpdKY8R5ON3zJpiTGtZkLvey h8qWzJ8FXCI1h5/tGvV0JQ/KwRYwx6PeyazF8fbqt3+QWX+rc8RrlMPvCJ7d8FDDXUJg EDYVSvtVM8zmsylu079BAZGNzdLqjTfVvefBSOJHXJM5y9Gllyl0TjnB+FqUoTu7lvR2 SwznPqrgug7rO/nq6YqTT2UEjzB/LdZmaexlD4h/DuB+3UcakcfXRXgPn+fUlJnYp7dH ErmQ== wc4mr1409798vcb.38.1406695133572; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.28.102 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 00:38:53 -0400 From: MARK SHERMAN To: MGVR@yahoogroups.com, mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Looking for a Supercharger Crankshaft Pulley for MG TD with Marshall Nordec Blower Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The one I have mounts in the front of the standard crankshaft pulley. It was damaged in an accident. Please let me know if you have one or know where I might find one. Thanks Mark Sherman New Jersey _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 30 02:52:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01DDD25848A0 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 02:52:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-4.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-4.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4F2258077A for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 02:51:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-4-imp with bizsmtp id YYs51o0384LtS4201Ys6jV; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:52:06 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=PZN74dxOO4QA:10 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=j2yFQw_A30OsiqI_am0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=N9KsIPzqjeEA:10 a=HTt89vf_oNAA:10 From: "PaulHunt73" To: , References: <1406483761.87844.YahooMailNeo@web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <53D55CF9.80500@ktc.com> <53D56687.2000604@justbrits.com> <53D66867.4040105@ktc.com> <5CE34BCE7A714ECBB6819B46B023F216@paul> <53D7B8EC.3040804@ktc.com> <53D8138E.4000305@ktc.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:50:01 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake Caliper Problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Ah, I see, an elegant PITA ... ----- Original Message ----- >I prefer to use more elegant means. :-) _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 30 06:06:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9195625848B9 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 06:06:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DE72580515 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 06:03:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.152] by nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2014 12:04:13 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.216] by tm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2014 12:04:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2014 12:04:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 36300 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2014 12:04:13 -0000 s=s1024; t=1406721852; bh=U+P/aRZ6Mk5v1/fnBK0SggKM1d/4F4wqO13xH93dqUE=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eKlOZ/nOE5HMLFZkDFbv5WO/O26dT24bpeVqZLKma29/6SIrd0B2/gGw2tXoSfk4kW6vY+u06lXau4kHSM+xvYjZwF2+QeCP3LPFHVaPB+8srtncwD31mA7p4pq/h3kpxWLWDeFhmms1p7VrYAmqtf8Von7PA6weKuAzQP6XwFg= TfP2DGrGztvkMtyrih8X3YGrNyzIK5Nxb6Su_nmjii4EB1RMZwOaJnBMSBGZ qStkN.eDjQzDi2AghnCl6h1sCQO8chTfsewd3pmCudOaDHl4_7Ummt57UQ_l xZVEVX.YI6aL_XoGpxNN1R1XCyNLGn6epnbTsM3nHR5GErjFYC87aczqFFZk fek3HQ.pVCjkKNQ7t07C2xCuEwMy9il6mrAsc4q6BX_yaX7d6Bmoy_GecqCj r43bAnUJJmWbTocRl9tRHcTDgMkpGMS44iVfZ.ZdkQqSHwPWzoTcuXtAnpKE D7pD5eUwY8q0nunu9XJbXpwXYZUUnZO8MXT2hOyEhyZDP7ReiCWUKrt8ScsC wzgJ3p1L1tFSs3WR.zpnPUvAAN5uQJ23rAC._kslthsYuHaN2_Vi3VTeuK.j IWNt3BRSajUtrd2A4xIwzKKpCoUJycQUsCcUjk4fAg0NHOxzDHJ1hoCs4947 2fAC3IO8xAI_djwG17dSq8fC_k3INI6EEt3wYH.i1_H9TXrtk Received: from [76.124.249.227] by web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 05:04:12 PDT RGVhciBMaXN0ZXJzOgoKVGhhbmtzIGZvciBhbGwgd2hvIHJlc3BvbmRlZCB3aXRoIGFkdmljZSBhYm91dCBteSBicmFrZSBjYWxpcGVyIHByb2JsZW0uwqAgCgoKSnVzdCBhIGNvdXBsZSBvZiBub3RlczoKCjEpIFdoZWVsIEJlYXJpbmdzOsKgIHRoZSB3aGVlbCBiZWFyaW5ncyBhcmUgcHJvcGVybHkgYXNzZW1ibGVkIHdpdGggdGhlIHNoaW1zIGluc3RhbGxlZC7CoCBUaGUgb3V0ZXIgbnV0IGlzIHRvcnF1ZWQgdG8gdGhlIGNvcnJlY3QgcmFuZ2UgYW5kIEkgYW0gcHJldHR5IHN1cmUgdGhlIGVuZCBmbG9hdCABMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 05:04:12 -0700 From: Matthew Milkevitch To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mgs] Brake Caliper Problem-Thanks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Dear Listers: Thanks for all who responded with advice about my brake caliper problem. Just a couple of notes: 1) Wheel Bearings: the wheel bearings are properly assembled with the shims installed. The outer nut is torqued to the correct range and I am pretty sure the end float is correct (I don't get any "clunk" and the wheel spins freely at the correct nut torque). Yes, wheel bearing adjustment is not about the torque of the nut but the proper amount of shims need to be installed. I neglected to state in my first message that the shims were in there! :-) 2) This repair was a lot of work and expense, however the pads needed to be renewed and the flexible lines were of unknown age. Therefore I believed it prudent to go through the whole works, even though it cost a few $$$ and most of a Saturday. 3) I did replace the brake flexible lines (not sure if I mentioned this). 4) One additional observation: the brake rotor rubbing is not constant over the total 360 deg rotation. It turns freely during a part of the rotation, then another part it drags. I'm therefore wondering if perhaps the rotor is warped or the mating surfaces between the rotor and hub have some junk in them. I will disassemble that one side today and see what's going on. I will also check other Lister ideas today and over the coming weekend. Thanks again for all the help, if anyone should have some further ideas please send them along. Regards Matt Milkevitch 1974 MGB-GT Maple Glen, PA _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 30 11:41:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7782584AD9 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 11:41:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.18.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 15E752584986 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 11:40:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 5038 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jul 2014 17:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy2.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2014 17:41:06 -0000 Received: from box609.bluehost.com ([70.40.220.109]) by CMOut01 with id Yhh21o00w2ND4fa01hh5o2; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 11:41:06 -0600 a=lIFjRvzYbs2a9zjsf5t3KA==:117 a=lIFjRvzYbs2a9zjsf5t3KA==:17 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=a49_8Uz-DYIA:10 a=HIbmvfuOsaUA:10 a=PZN74dxOO4QA:10 a=-TU9osuVCq4A:10 a=8dNBPBS7AAAA:8 a=S2G5HiNCMuAA:10 a=7kFND-iB2YkA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=0QR5tkCPyhl0PnDuoc0A:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=LVDV8Ujp6AaIkJTEFZYA:9 a=W7AP9e6H_HgiZLzN:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=HpB7g2E+hH5WCKcVFLEJsV0LFN7kIetz0+GoWPcj3lI=; b=ipHSliQ4cLZU7i73aYQ/kQLjJHdhqSihPTjvC06jFoA/cBHPXCQ6DyA+GjJ5/i3sWsMLPyokcliCJoTGHfq3AUHI2PRnGilKEvrPV/FLGyjUjNCExy3qVSWVQjofF1Pk; Received: from [98.212.127.207] (port=49442 helo=[192.168.0.101]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XCXs5-0004jC-7P for mgs@autox.team.net; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 11:41:02 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 12:40:51 -0500 From: Ed Kaler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 To: "mgs@autox.team.net" References: <1406721852.40363.YahooMailNeo@web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> {sentby:smtp auth 98.212.127.207 authed with shop@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake Caliper Problem-Thanks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net #1: E D I T Y O U R R E P L I E S [before DMARC p="reject" catches you] !! #2: "To:" MUST be the List you are 'replying to with ZERO 'other' 'targets' ! ! ! #3: DELETE usage of aol, yahoo, hotmail, & MSN. *XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX * << On 7/30/2014 7:04 AM, Matthew Milkevitch wrote: 5] 2, and most of a Saturday. Matt, BET you $5.00 you did NOT take rotors to s REAL LAP/M shop and have rotors "turned/skimmed" ? ! ? Ed " Just Brits " PS: Personal cheque is fine LOL ! ! ! _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 30 15:58:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E002584F76 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:58:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (fed1rmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37842580696 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:58:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo306 ([68.230.241.174]) by fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20140730215849.SSUJ32389.fed1rmfepo103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo306> for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:58:49 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.14] ([72.199.157.107]) by fed1rmimpo306 with cox id Ylyp1o0012KJoQg01lypjp; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:58:49 -0400 a=v4+1TVkVnhocx6iSoA/Zcg==:17 a=BGi6d-X4uLYA:10 a=HIbmvfuOsaUA:10 a=PZN74dxOO4QA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=QwZrBFBbwUPKZxkYHwIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=v4+1TVkVnhocx6iSoA/Zcg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=stargazer1@cox.net Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:58:43 -0700 From: David Ambrose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake Caliper Problem-Thanks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net In my experience, brake rotors almost always have some wedge. If you have a micrometer, you can measure it. If you can turn the rotor by hand, you should be fine. The piston will retract a bit while driving. On 7/30/2014 5:04 AM, Matthew Milkevitch wrote: > 4) One additional > observation: the brake rotor rubbing is not constant over the total 360 deg > rotation. It turns freely during a part of the rotation, then another part it > drags. I'm therefore wondering if perhaps the rotor is warped or the mating > surfaces between the rotor and hub have some junk in them. I will disassemble > that one side today and see what's going on. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 30 16:28:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5D12584AFE for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 16:28:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail30c40.carrierzone.com (mail30c40.carrierzone.com [209.235.156.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3AAD258067F for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 16:26:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-174-49-34-41.hsd1.tn.comcast.net [174.49.34.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail30c40.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id s6UMQnjs023408 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 22:26:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:26:41 -0500 From: Mark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <53D96A93.1000708@cox.net> reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake Caliper Problem-Thanks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I am a little late to this post but it is my understanding that the slight "wobble" on disc brake rotors is what knocks the pads back from the rotor and that if you can rotate a hub by hand you are good to go. Drum brakes rely on springs to move the shoes back away from the drum, disc brakes don't have them. Some of the better pads are ground at an angle on the leading edge to make this easier to accomplish, actually they are ground on the leading and trailing edge so it won't matter which side they are installed. I agree with David, go drive it around the neighborhood for a while. I have seen both calipers lock on the drum if the one way valve in the master sticks closed, in that case usually letting a little fluid bleed off will release the pads. It seems to happen more often if you vacuum bleed the system but not sure why. On 7/30/2014 4:58 PM, David Ambrose wrote: > In my experience, brake rotors almost always have some wedge. If you > have a micrometer, you can measure it. If you can turn the rotor by > hand, you should be fine. The piston will retract a bit while driving. > > On 7/30/2014 5:04 AM, Matthew Milkevitch wrote: >> 4) One additional >> observation: the brake rotor rubbing is not constant over the total >> 360 deg >> rotation. It turns freely during a part of the rotation, then >> another part it >> drags. I'm therefore wondering if perhaps the rotor is warped or the >> mating >> surfaces between the rotor and hub have some junk in them. I will >> disassemble >> that one side today and see what's going on. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 30 17:07:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB6D2584AA4 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:07:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f181.google.com (mail-pd0-f181.google.com [209.85.192.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D853258067F for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:06:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f181.google.com with SMTP id g10so2251824pdj.26 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 16:07:21 -0700 (PDT) h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=92I6oCw260jq6BPVgqfQ3VlX5M3FkeJc763UbTTfG+Y=; b=w3kJk30KlimeXAMahHQWJ+1jvOUv7MqZ5SUSByyUCROp4xh3D7i2VBt1DvwAzC7O59 4kE3naW+tOsSPCIUbhvlQiiER3rQc9aGzbY0GFPfe6EpG21O0OAnMbQGgeKguvUGRn7k ByHAAxFqlHgWDsqneG+tjiUho3NkQ3R37Xw3ebUNTkhwzjWnNCB2XBRHJ5ZwP8U086PX RT0ZWlLY6kyvv/JZo5g6YpWN389kO7fqgb7ms59iCNyEyGgoHVPSFQetnKwVYHKC25Q/ gLP3Egh4DQjMK3QyT9EnHbiRY7fcuGNKveUmWVfQR0SJPw3kcFng5YRspZYtD5a5Zfr+ vdjQ== Wed, 30 Jul 2014 16:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.45.113.104] (mobile-166-137-218-083.mycingular.net. [166.137.218.83]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id v5sm5270741pdc.7.2014.07.30.16.07.19 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 30 Jul 2014 16:07:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Ewald Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 16:07:18 -0700 References: <53D96A93.1000708@cox.net> <53D97121.4060709@nashvilletn.org> To: Mark Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake Caliper Problem-Thanks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Actually the "retraction" of the pads is mostly in the caliper seal. When you step on the brakes the piston is pressed forward a couple of thousandths of an inch so the pads press against the rotor. This minor movement is not the piston moving in relation to the seal, but rather the piston seal distorting just a bit to allow this very minor movement. Take you foot off the brake and the seal returns back to normal. Of course as the pads wear the piston does have to move outward. As far as the chamfer on the pads go that is for noise prevention. Back in the days of square cut pads when we had a noise complaint we would chamfer the leading edge to make them quiet. Finally the pads makers started doing that from the get go A normal disc brake will have a bit of drag when rotated and it won't be even all the way around. Expect a scritch-scritch sound maybe 1X per revolution. This is stone normal. If the other wheel has no sound when turning that wheel might be the issue perhaps a loose wheel bearing or warped rotor Rick Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 30 18:33:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698862584ADB for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 18:33:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta55.windstream.net (pacmmta55.windstream.net [162.39.147.221]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5743425802F0 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 18:33:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.172.30.82]) by pacmmta55.windstream.net with pacmmta55 id YoZi1o00T1mJS4w01oZkfm; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 20:33:44 -0400 a=imq8ry4v+4XwL5oeMnDKVA==:117 a=imq8ry4v+4XwL5oeMnDKVA==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=tcnv99F1KMcA:10 a=PZN74dxOO4QA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=xfg1C1zhMc7V-ulAPCsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=ljZ-ksCjIdkA:10 a=ucjIqRMJ2CQA:10 a=6jur93t3d2QA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta55.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:33:36 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: PaulHunt73 , mgs@autox.team.net References: <1406483761.87844.YahooMailNeo@web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <53D55CF9.80500@ktc.com> <53D56687.2000604@justbrits.com> <53D66867.4040105@ktc.com> <5CE34BCE7A714ECBB6819B46B023F216@paul> <53D7B8EC.3040804@ktc.com> <53D8138E.4000305@ktc.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake Caliper Problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net :-) On 7/30/2014 3:50 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > Ah, I see, an elegant PITA ... > > ----- Original Message ----- >> I prefer to use more elegant means. :-) _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 30 20:50:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E70D2584AD9 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 20:50:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f174.google.com (mail-vc0-f174.google.com [209.85.220.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5623258056F for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 20:50:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id la4so3256035vcb.5 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:50:38 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rpSaSMxNJS2ylSL0f/HdVNIwEH2PB++l4tYURB7dzpA=; b=TjOhIbqsXjw33IQfMc6UmMe1AZCH3kFxUVRxie7KaT9Jxe56q3RC6JdNHOtJ7tvym6 /3/AV8WvWScL9G9epHl5ivmxbL8EpuMfmiYOZJkv8LxipNMbO7yQc2PkIJVFAtkuhc5E KXGAqDlXArlzzeSGG7itgeINh2rG1C0Smx5AmbJjicnKNR7Y3qgvkCuwKzOhgcq2q3cl TtDCAtooSOfv0/DPGDPRRsBNOZTpx97AfcE8lGQycfllCQfKSMrjt7qik2Df+3U8LzhE HzRG6Wjga/FAqrObgE4jaMl4EpraWT+17QDrbhy6dD9iUrqlRM8GAD1TaClonOci/8U7 u0Qw== xp3mr9681341vcb.44.1406775038583; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.28.102 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 22:50:38 -0400 From: MARK SHERMAN To: MGVR@yahoogroups.com, mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Anyone looking for one ticket to the Pebble Beach Concours? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net If so, I have one that I cannot use. Please contact me off list. (I can bring it to NHMS this weekend.) Mark Sherman _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 31 01:32:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 526E52584F83 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 01:32:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-5.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-5.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80ABB2580475 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 01:32:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-5-imp with bizsmtp id YvZ81o01z4LtS4201vZ8VA; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 08:33:09 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=HIbmvfuOsaUA:10 a=PZN74dxOO4QA:10 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=BeUwek6qhgwhazhyISkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 From: "PaulHunt73" Cc: References: <53D96A93.1000708@cox.net> <53D97121.4060709@nashvilletn.org> <5BB63D47-1526-4D11-BABC-03B6E10BFA46@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 08:12:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake Caliper Problem-Thanks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net It's a combination of the two things. If you press the brake pedal at a standstill, let go, and immediately turn the wheel, there will be some residual friction from the pad that rapidly eases, usually leaving just a gentle rub. When driving the bearings have .002 to .004 thou end float, which means the hub and hence the disc can 'wobble' a bit relative to the caliper, and this tends to knock the pads back a little bit more. But did the original poster ever come back with anything, I've not seen it, but then I didn't get the original post either, just MGBob's response. As I said before the first thing to do with a problem like this is manually retract the pistons and see how the wheel turns then. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Actually the "retraction" of the pads is mostly in the caliper seal. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 31 06:51:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0B925807C9 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 06:51:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp0.ctinetworks.com (smtp0.ctinetworks.com [205.166.61.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB75225803B3 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 06:47:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home2b99dc0107 (75.97.219.115.res-cmts.sth3.ptd.net [75.97.219.115]) by smtp0.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 991B1F5D8D for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 08:47:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "davewillner" To: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:16:23 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] wiring gremlin in 70 MGB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Ok, so last fall my turn signal lever on my 70 MGB melted down, the end of the lever started to melt. I did a quick replacement with a used one I found at a show, it was for a later year (71+) as it didn't have the horn button. I'm not sure if this is all coincidental or not, all my fuses are ok and in tack. The battery has been going dead, the ignition key buzzer goes off when the driver's door is opened even without the key left in. And the tach has stopped working awhile ago, I think around last fall when I had the initial issue. Today the signals just stopped working also. I just ordered the correct signal lever with the horn button, but curious as to what to take a look at first? Appreciate any insight and help, thanks Dave _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 31 08:22:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D2F2580870 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 08:22:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-5.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-5.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2AE258081C for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 08:18:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-5-imp with bizsmtp id Z2Jt1o0404LtS42012Jumn; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:18:54 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=F_0EOos46mwA:10 a=vi6iDU5ctvwA:10 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=5O9UY6l-6647Gf2TuCoA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "davewillner" , References: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:12:18 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] wiring gremlin in 70 MGB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Jeez, where to start! Any or all these symptoms could be connected or unconnected. A melted switch implies a serious short and that needs to be investigated first. It could have damaged any number of wires and circuits, so that's what you need to be looking for first of all, and fixing any damage found. The tach needs two inputs to register - a 12v supply and earth on the one hand, and the ignition signal on the other. Either could be missing, and indeed the tach itself could be faulty. But if the engine runs, and you have the original points ignition wiring, it's safe to assume that the signal part is OK, so check for 12v and earth between the white wire that goes to the spade on the back of the tach, and the tach body. Also give the glass of the tach a sharp rap with a knuckle with the engine running and see if it starts registering. With the ignition on and the turn switch moved up or down do the dash tell-tales light? If not there is no power reaching the turn signal switch. This comes from the green fused circuit, through the hazard switch in the off position, and through the turn flasher, to the turn switch. Check the green wires on the hazard switch and turn flasher for 12v with the ignition on, and the light-green/brown wire on the turn flasher for 12v. This last wire goes to the turn switch, so check both sides of the multi-way plug on that wire, as well as at the switch itself. Somewhere along that run you will probably find 12v no longer appears. If there is no 12v on either green at the hazard switch then there is a break back towards the fusebox. 12v on one green and not the other means the hazard switch is faulty. 12v on the green but not the light-green/brown at the turn flasher means the turn flasher is faulty, and so on. If the dash tell-tales light you have power through the turn switch, so check the corners to see if one or other isn't lighting. If both are lighting it could be the turn flasher has failed, or it could be bad connections anywhere in the circuit reducing the current. With each corner lit measure the voltage on the red wire of each light unit with respect to earth. If much less than 12v that shows bad connections somewhere. Then measure the voltage between the body of the light unit and a good earth elsewhere, anything above 0v shows a bad earth. If one or both corners aren't lighting there is a break in the circuit from the switch out to the corners, or the bulbs are faulty. Check the green/red (left) and green/white (right) circuits for 12v with the switch moved to that side at the switch, multi-way connector, four-way bullets by the fusebox where the main harness joins the rear harness, and at the corners of the car. The buzzer sounding with the doors open but the keys out implies an earth on the purple/pink between the buzzer and the ignition switch. If removing that wire from the switch itself stops the buzzer, then the ignition switch is faulty. If not then that wire is shorted to earth somewhere between the ignition switch and the buzzer. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Ok, so last fall my turn signal lever on my 70 MGB melted down, the end of > the > lever started to melt. I did a quick replacement with a used one I found > at a > show, it was for a later year (71+) as it didn't have the horn button. I'm > not > sure if this is all coincidental or not, all my fuses are ok and in tack. > The > battery has been going dead, the ignition key buzzer goes off when the > driver's door is opened even without the key left in. And the tach has > stopped > working awhile ago, I think around last fall when I had the initial issue. > Today the signals just stopped working also. I just ordered the correct > signal > lever with the horn button, but curious as to what to take a look at > first? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 31 11:24:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56C52584FDA for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 11:24:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta56.windstream.net (pacmmta56.windstream.net [162.39.147.222]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F88425807CF for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 11:24:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.172.31.253]) by pacmmta56.windstream.net with pacmmta56 id Z5RD1o00E5Tgi2o015RE20; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 13:25:15 -0400 a=CySk9Zn6VIo4GHeRpGQXlA==:117 a=CySk9Zn6VIo4GHeRpGQXlA==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=tcnv99F1KMcA:10 a=PZN74dxOO4QA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=m37g8CEt1iEMqHbjIEQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=YKL9Pwr367oA:10 a=M7wR0OxfNjoA:10 a=WdnTWD3mwwkA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta56.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:25:05 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Matthew Milkevitch , "mgs@autox.team.net" References: <1406483761.87844.YahooMailNeo@web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake Caliper Problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net What was the outcome on this? It leaves an empty in the stomach of a few people to be left without knowing, especially those who tried to help. CR On 7/27/2014 12:56 PM, Matthew Milkevitch wrote: > Dear Listers: > > I have been working on my '74 MGB-GT lately, and I noticed that > the front wheels don't rotate the same. The LH side rotates more freely than > the RH side. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 31 15:35:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5582258502D for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:35:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D3A2580889 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:35:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2014 21:35:45 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.196] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2014 21:35:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2014 21:35:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 6336 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2014 21:35:45 -0000 s=s1024; t=1406842545; bh=Ig3dpvTnIEImpmHnPpoMesyfFaY3W4i3BJfd8QXif6Y=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kCAceOlqQ7bmIVSjpShztlVbY6DvBFuFMKec3Na+y4WBrfnsgyrFBBOUc45Biiv800GvL0FZyPn4tUo1pAcG86UiXUuHCjWJiaxUlV6btVNStmNoISpuPza12j9P0gN9F0Qc9cpsTXchz7gI4Cx5nXemjzPnsvCf3WPIvq/1dBw= fU12ldJptJ_6c92JMl96lvET2Xnq1.rwFwpJZtsYRrIluco.WM2WF5PM32NB po8lujgWGIl7cXUZ7bhVOyv2ES8NQDtYE.AJZtqlqFvrI9Dd7kywA8wqKaGS NoUE.MQxlfmHpg690GYqn2RN8mCLx6sZ.Kk56Qst_UwCWZVc3kDgcPZGH_7P ysYjz3euce.5g_r.jyREnYIf31VI_N.iaMGZDpkh653A.9ZPOFP1VG0gJfG. YfQf9e2YXwvJu4XNyFQkfqXr83H3YnB.C3wm9IXeXhzpiIXqZ4hLGgEcj62g KXLl5jpyVVwR1tdR7VST4U480PHpwNr2AMHlPnJmK2jnBSKPOsSlyJ5Z1t4v owzf4mxLpsF97o1akZtlwFR_j5Ct4J9wEcMVyzw.hQbUbDTHKFAB.P_qEfFi lzbYLLWAi9wQKC5QIU3y3kNXCWZBgPzBQsq3_DsXd_6XQguMuFbxH6gpGMfC TLa3TKW.QxxJNOPPdUQKae3hMp18r9bv0QlEeVvFfY.m..sTBY9j6mzt5 Received: from [76.124.249.227] by web161003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:35:45 PDT RGVhciBMaXN0ZXJzOgoKSSBhcG9sb2dpemUgZm9yIG5vdCBzZW5kaW5nIGFuIHVwZGF0ZS7CoCBJIHdhcyB3b3JraW5nIG91dHNpZGUgYWxsIGRheSwgZG9pbmcgc29tZSBzaXRlIHdvcmsgZm9yIGEgbmV3IGdhcmFnZSBvbiBteSBwcm9wZXJ0eS4KCgpIZXJlIGlzIGFuIHVwZGF0ZToKCjEpIFRoaW5raW5nIHRoZSBicmFrZSBkaXNjIHdhcyAiY29ja2VkIiBhIGxpdHRsZSBkdWUgdG8gc29tZXRoaW5nIGJldHdlZW4gdGhlIGRpc2MgYW5kIGh1YizCoCBJIGRpc2Fzc2VtYmxlZCB0aGUgb2ZmZW5kaW5nIHNpZGUBMAEBAQE- References: <1406483761.87844.YahooMailNeo@web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <53DA7BF1.3030107@ktc.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:35:45 -0700 From: Matthew Milkevitch To: "ccrobins@ktc.com" , "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake Caliper Problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Dear Listers: I apologize for not sending an update. I was working outside all day, doing some site work for a new garage on my property. Here is an update: 1) Thinking the brake disc was "cocked" a little due to something between the disc and hub, I disassembled the offending side. I inspected the hub and there was some corrosion on the mating surface with the brake disc. I buzzed this off with my whizzer and 3M conditioning disc. There wasn't very much corrosion present. 2) I reassembled everything. However I did notice one wheel bearing shim was in the wrong place. It was between the outer nut and the outer bearing. I put it where it should be, tightened it up and checked the end float. The wheel spun freely and there was no "clunk" when pulling on the hub. 3) After the caliper and pads were re-installed, the condition did not improve noticeably. I was still getting some drag and the LH side did not rotate like the RH side. 4) I went for about a 5 mile ride, and when I brought the car home I jacked up the front end and checked how each front wheel turned. They are still not rotating exactly the same but the dragging side is much improved. I would say there is a very small amount of drag present now. I think this is as good as it gets. A couple of listers were pointing out that I was probably looking for perfection, and I guess I was. I realize now that such perfection is not possible. Anyhow, lesson learned. Thanks for all who responded with advice. I appreciate all the information. Now it's time to adjust those rear brakes!! Best Regards Matt Milkevitch 1974 MGB-GT Maple Glen, PA On Thursday, July 31, 2014 1:25 PM, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: What was the outcome on this? It leaves an empty in the stomach of a few people to be left without knowing, especially those who tried to help. CR On 7/27/2014 12:56 PM, Matthew Milkevitch wrote: > Dear Listers: > > I have been working on my '74 MGB-GT lately, and I noticed that > the front wheels don't rotate the same. The LH side rotates more freely than > the RH side. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:32 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675A62584A59 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 01:48:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-1.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-1.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6532584A43 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 01:48:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-1-imp with bizsmtp id LvoC1o02w4LtS4201voCw1; Tue, 01 Jul 2014 08:48:12 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=I5Aow6t617di182LIB8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=ZnWD7Zyrzs4A:10 a=KrLzcTqRovkA:10 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Charles Hill" , References: <53B1AD92.1010409@ktc.com> <53B1C9E8.6060508@sbcglobal.net> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 08:20:41 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] List Up? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Well, they ain't bouncing now! ----- Original Message ----- > It seems to be part-way up. I get message but my posts get bounced. > Trying again. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4626B2584ADC for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 15:11:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.33.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 10CE82584AB8 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 15:10:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 17990 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2014 21:10:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw4) (10.0.90.85) by gproxy8.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2014 21:10:58 -0000 Received: from box609.bluehost.com ([70.40.220.109]) by cmgw4 with id MFAq1o00Z2ND4fa01FAtP1; Tue, 01 Jul 2014 21:10:55 -0600 a=lIFjRvzYbs2a9zjsf5t3KA==:117 a=lIFjRvzYbs2a9zjsf5t3KA==:17 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=tcnv99F1KMcA:10 a=-TU9osuVCq4A:10 a=8dNBPBS7AAAA:8 a=S2G5HiNCMuAA:10 a=7kFND-iB2YkA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=4qL5aqLZAAAA:8 a=S1uaWWKKAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=PRzBZ30OaIoZj7JsZpMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=gxO5wpS6gagA:10 a=Q94xJtFWm3wA:10 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=FSkVk8nHZVChYIk7Oh4A:9 a=-6XQOu-lbElQ9CnG:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=Om/1BIv+4b8lvhkv8RT9J7EU2IWipwoMoKV0kd+92kQ=; b=hSAu0MOYM9Iok3E9+bLkyu2hlZqjUYBUjfsOkWSXhQF9Hve4dn+5Q4MHdwlUO+omM14WgeRE9BOYj5SS07UvDhcGaGbBn2yyr7GG61tjvjmi/EaElwPKX0dMTZY3it8v; Received: from [98.212.127.207] (port=58776 helo=[192.168.0.101]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1X25KF-0004cL-Nw for Mgs@autox.team.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2014 15:10:51 -0600 Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 16:10:46 -0500 From: Ed Kaler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 CC: Mgs@autox.team.net References: <53B1AD92.1010409@ktc.com> <53B1C9E8.6060508@sbcglobal.net> <53B1F261.8010803@ktc.com> <27A891EC-F6EE-4DD2-B70D-98C7F0C16D1B@tampabay.rr.com> <53B20814.9090006@ktc.com> {sentby:smtp auth 98.212.127.207 authed with shop@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] List Up? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO << On 6/30/2014 8:00 PM, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: > I get message but my posts get bounced. >> As Mark might say, Charlie (etal): "Edit your replies ! !" In your case (and other Listers ), EDIT the "To:" address to The List and NOT a Lister or even yourself so when the autoX.com soft 'reads' the requested post, it is FROM: ........@autox.team.com and approves it (unless [maybe] it is an original post from an aol or yahoo). If you feel you absolutely 'must' include someone as a DUPLICATE, then either use [another] "To:" BUT SECOND or "CC:". NEVER, I repeat NEVER send to post to the List as a "BCC:" ! ! HTHs ! Ed Owner, 9issa at justbrits dot com ('joke' list); Owner, polysci_101 at justbrits dot com (political & arguments ONLY); Owner, 10 other private lists. ALL using same software as team.net, MailMan. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E532584AC6 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 15:51:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta56.windstream.net (pacmmta56.windstream.net [162.39.147.222]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD1F25802EB for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 15:50:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([75.91.226.38]) by pacmmta56.windstream.net with pacmmta56 id M9r41o00D0qLDXv019r52T; Tue, 01 Jul 2014 17:51:06 -0400 a=4Qk6G9yw+qrS23KNVQJi1g==:117 a=4Qk6G9yw+qrS23KNVQJi1g==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=tcnv99F1KMcA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=TpYtnzxGeia8qckgk7MA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=I0Jp_3nHIv4A:10 a=PQ4lgiDQLacA:10 a=R6XpCZpup5cA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta56.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 16:50:51 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Ed Kaler , Mga List References: <53B1AD92.1010409@ktc.com> <53B1C9E8.6060508@sbcglobal.net> <53B1F261.8010803@ktc.com> <27A891EC-F6EE-4DD2-B70D-98C7F0C16D1B@tampabay.rr.com> <53B20814.9090006@ktc.com> <53B323D6.8090709@justbrits.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] List Up? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO OK ed, did you send Mark 20 bux? CR On 7/1/2014 4:10 PM, Ed Kaler wrote: > << On 6/30/2014 8:00 PM, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: >> I get message but my posts get bounced. >> > As Mark might say, Charlie (etal): > > "Edit your replies ! !" > > > > Ed > O _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86AF25851BE for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 10:21:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa12-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF662580728 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 10:20:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from aragorn ([205.197.253.3]) by p3plsmtpa12-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id PULx1o00G05A0oD01ULxZ3; Mon, 07 Jul 2014 09:20:58 -0700 From: "Clayton Kirkwood" To: Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 09:20:34 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+Z/2Dmo28Snf2VSnKeLeDyhkinTw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Yes! Ok, I've had my 62 mga engine rebuilt 3 times by "experts". The current iteration seems solid - put a couple thousand miles on her. But she sips oil modestly. The guy who did the machine shop work for my 59 Land Rover told me that most machine shops and rebuilders machine the cylinder walls wrong. They make the cylinders round instead of slightly oval toward the bottom of the stroke which considers the pull and push rotation of the driveshaft and connector arm. Seems reasonable to me. So the question. Should I increase the viscosity of the oil to allow less oil burn, and/or, go to synthetic which won't burn off? Also by now, I'm figuring she has finished running in and plan to change oil/filter. "We live in the greatest nation in the history of the world," he pleaded. "I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." Barrie Obama _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6CFD25851ED for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 10:34:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E3AB32585182 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 10:33:02 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1404750793; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=YdlSjbxJ1Dfej5VQxMKcu/FGoCLuCVOrty08BVkmcoQk/9b0GDlxNb6kEViYzLn9n cK24HUROiUXDXMoQyIHRlirYaV8KYUtwTTKfL54v9nPYwVnHh2CYwbb/CZll7pIYAP QibVrECQfpd/TFqQmC7mS+UxkdMFSyeF0k24urHE= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.103]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABK5XU66ARLNZ9A for (sender ); Mon, 7 Jul 2014 09:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 16:31:53 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 16:31:53 GMT To: crk@godblessthe.us Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO MG was more tolerant of oil consumption than we are today. "Sipping" could mean 400 miles to a quart, once upon a time. Have you determined that the oil is passing the rings, or coming down past the valve stems, or not dripping from seals or pan or other connections? I am sceptical that on this newly rebuilt engine that it's rings or cylinder problems. My MGB has almost a thousand miles since its spring time oil change, when Brad Penn 20-50 (the high ZDDP stuff) was put in, and there has been only the slightest drop on the dipstick. I am suspicious of troubles, as it does not seem to be burning enough. How did the LR guy bore cylinders other than round?Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Clayton Kirkwood" To: Subject: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 09:20:34 -0700 Yes! Ok, I've had my 62 mga engine rebuilt 3 times by "experts". The current iteration seems solid - put a couple thousand miles on her. But she sips oil modestly. The guy who did the machine shop work for my 59 Land Rover told me that most machine shops and rebuilders machine the cylinder walls wrong. They make the cylinders round instead of slightly oval toward the bottom of the stroke which considers the pull and push rotation of the driveshaft and connector arm. Seems reasonable to me. So the question. Should I increase the viscosity of the oil to allow less oil burn, and/or, go to synthetic which won't burn off? Also by now, I'm figuring she has finished running in and plan to change oil/filter. "We live in the greatest nation in the history of the world," he pleaded. "I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." Barrie Obama _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27272585187 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:05:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa12-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6E22585182 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:05:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from aragorn ([205.197.253.3]) by p3plsmtpa12-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id PV5H1o06205A0oD01V5J72; Mon, 07 Jul 2014 10:05:19 -0700 From: "Clayton Kirkwood" To: References: <20140707.123153.23572.3@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 10:04:54 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+aAStaHrxn5C8bQweB5+iwNWWjuQAA7r2g Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Thanks Bob. I am in the 1 qt/400 mile range. Haven't looked for a leak, however the concrete shows a small oil drip, it's not coming from seals or pan. I don't think it is the rings or cylinder either. I started with valvoline 50 which is what the rebuilder used, but have recently been using Castrol 15/30. On the LR, apparently he bored the cylinders slightly over to account for the sideward inline movement. Clayton From: mgbob@juno.com [mailto:mgbob@juno.com] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 9:32 AM To: crk@godblessthe.us Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? MG was more tolerant of oil consumption than we are today. "Sipping" could mean 400 miles to a quart, once upon a time. Have you determined that the oil is passing the rings, or coming down past the valve stems, or not dripping from seals or pan or other connections? I am sceptical that on this newly rebuilt engine that it's rings or cylinder problems. My MGB has almost a thousand miles since its spring time oil change, when Brad Penn 20-50 (the high ZDDP stuff) was put in, and there has been only the slightest drop on the dipstick. I am suspicious of troubles, as it does not seem to be burning enough. How did the LR guy bore cylinders other than round? Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Clayton Kirkwood" To: Subject: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 09:20:34 -0700 Yes! Ok, I've had my 62 mga engine rebuilt 3 times by "experts". The current iteration seems solid - put a couple thousand miles on her. But she sips oil modestly. The guy who did the machine shop work for my 59 Land Rover told me that most machine shops and rebuilders machine the cylinder walls wrong. They make the cylinders round instead of slightly oval toward the bottom of the stroke which considers the pull and push rotation of the driveshaft and connector arm. Seems reasonable to me. So the question. Should I increase the viscosity of the oil to allow less oil burn, and/or, go to synthetic which won't burn off? Also by now, I'm figuring she has finished running in and plan to change oil/filter. "We live in the greatest nation in the history of the world," he pleaded. "I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." Barrie Obama _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB4725851C7 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:11:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (d.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E892585182 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:11:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.169.4.23] (108-169-4-23.dynamic.dsl.sonic.net [108.169.4.23] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s67HA0Nm023344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 10:11:20 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 09:53:44 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Thread-Index: Ac+Z/2Dmo28Snf2VSnKeLeDyhkinTwABKI7Z Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I don't buy that oval story. The whole idea is to keep the piston square in the bore, so the rings seal. You oval out the bore, the rings are circular -- the only way they can seal is to cock the piston, which can't happen because there are 3 rings, not one. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 7/7/14 9:20 AM, Clayton Kirkwood at crk@godblessthe.us wrote: > Yes! Ok, I've had my 62 mga engine rebuilt 3 times by "experts". The current > iteration seems solid - put a couple thousand miles on her. But she sips oil > modestly. The guy who did the machine shop work for my 59 Land Rover told me > that most machine shops and rebuilders machine the cylinder walls wrong. > They make the cylinders round instead of slightly oval toward the bottom of > the stroke which considers the pull and push rotation of the driveshaft and > connector arm. Seems reasonable to me. > > > > So the question. Should I increase the viscosity of the oil to allow less > oil burn, and/or, go to synthetic which won't burn off? > > > > Also by now, I'm figuring she has finished running in and plan to change > oil/filter. > > > > > > "We live in the greatest nation in the history of the world," he pleaded. "I > hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." Barrie Obama _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF2D25851E9 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 12:26:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F9725851D0 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 12:26:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.72]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id PUZl1o0081ZXKqc58WSVNY; Mon, 07 Jul 2014 18:26:29 +0000 Received: from stargate ([98.250.57.52]) by omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id PWSS1o00S17cZ1N3hWSTVZ; Mon, 07 Jul 2014 18:26:29 +0000 From: "gordies garage" To: "MG List" References: Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:26:25 -0400 s=q20140121; t=1404757589; bh=8iwGEtiDvlsxaNvBLrFshegbNjOFnUPlh+LevS4YdgA=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aX380b2T8r7xb/26MmWXdPIc7dyTwj7vIAlh95yuW20x8xVxFDL9HBglxzOIkoae6 MepYN/Dl5SL0K2t/Jk5SRGMxRkolYNo9kPm5oYJqxGsk182wE2z3Gy3tx+FQ0sxqgJ Im4aTedvrl+tk2q5MUlQJSIKwyETMwm8C5Xk1kiuBj33KpVbYi5ASvQ/kw6tWLuh9A nTUJyQ3qdf2QoLqdJ0X9U6koPTl9D7leukyIhJJZUsUc1L1POzC/M8JoDmfFtLJJx9 4uxrYAZYq8EsWNwW9dWGs+47ElPVkt1qdo6DSD9nd756MfSoW6zjh2C8pwXnEFmQPR wqdLjH/hQLVNA== Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I'm with you Max, I don't buy the oval story. In fact, when I took my 1622 apart, my machinist said that my cylinders were not oval, and at .030 over, I didn't want to bore any more if not necessary. Honed cylinders and reassembled with same pistons and new rings. After run in I discovered that my #3 cyl was registering 80psi compression (other three were 150). Carefully removed #3 piston and found all rings with the gap at 9o'clock. Presumed that this was the problem, and re-clocked the rings. Re-assembled and compression was 150, just like other three. Checked again after first short drive and found it at 80psi. My theory is that the cyl is slightly oval, enough that the rings 'center' themselves in a short time. Current solution is a 3 main bearing 1800 sitting on a stand awaiting a rebuild, then I will look further into the 1622. To the point of the thread. In my '62 MGA, I have pretty much always used a qt of oil every 500 - 700 mi. Latest oil change was with Redline 20w50 full synth and so far I haven't registered a noticeable loss (maybe an 8th qt) on the dipstick with about 500 mi. I always have a drip or two on the ground when parked, and I assume at least a little when driving, so that accounts for a little loss. I like the Redline, and it is packed full of the ZDDP that our flat tappet engines love. Gordie Bird '62 MGA (Ottawa bound with 80psi compression in #3) -------------------------------------------------- From: "Max Heim" Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 12:53 PM To: "MG List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? > I don't buy that oval story. The whole idea is to keep the piston square > in > the bore, so the rings seal. You oval out the bore, the rings are circular > -- the only way they can seal is to cock the piston, which can't happen > because there are 3 rings, not one. > > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > > on 7/7/14 9:20 AM, Clayton Kirkwood at crk@godblessthe.us wrote: > >> Yes! Ok, I've had my 62 mga engine rebuilt 3 times by "experts". The >> current >> iteration seems solid - put a couple thousand miles on her. But she sips >> oil >> modestly. The guy who did the machine shop work for my 59 Land Rover told >> me >> that most machine shops and rebuilders machine the cylinder walls wrong. >> They make the cylinders round instead of slightly oval toward the bottom >> of >> the stroke which considers the pull and push rotation of the driveshaft >> and >> connector arm. Seems reasonable to me. >> >> >> >> So the question. Should I increase the viscosity of the oil to allow less >> oil burn, and/or, go to synthetic which won't burn off? >> >> >> >> Also by now, I'm figuring she has finished running in and plan to change >> oil/filter. >> >> >> >> >> >> "We live in the greatest nation in the history of the world," he pleaded. >> "I >> hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." Barrie Obama > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mg_garage@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7568D25851FF for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 12:38:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5417C25851D3 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 12:38:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from FrankPC ([unknown] [100.40.67.189]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0N8C00BW0UH1KXT0@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Mon, 07 Jul 2014 13:39:02 -0500 (CDT) From: "FrankK" To: "MG List" Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 14:39:02 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] F1 Groupies Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I have made plans and purchased tickets, very expensive tickets ($500 each) for the F1 race in Houston at COTA next November. Is there a remote possibility of acquiring pit passes? I know some of you listers work the F1 races and may have some information that might lead me to score two pit passes. Any info will be greatly appreciated. Frank Krajewski _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38EBB258520B for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 12:53:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (d.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6FD6258520B for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 12:53:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.169.4.23] (108-169-4-23.dynamic.dsl.sonic.net [108.169.4.23] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s67IrpBt006991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:53:53 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 11:52:18 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Thread-Index: Ac+aFJNm/8lPTrRX4EGjicRdpcSIsQ== Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Another synthetic oil option is Mobil1 15w50. This particular weight (and none other) is designed for flat tappet engines, with 1200ppm phosphorus and 1300ppm zinc. I mention it because it may be easier to find locally than Redline, Brad Penn, Joe Gibbs or other specialty oils -- most auto stores carry Mobil1. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 7/7/14 11:26 AM, gordies garage at mg_garage@comcast.net wrote: > I'm with you Max, I don't buy the oval story. > In fact, when I took my 1622 apart, my machinist said that my cylinders were > not oval, and at .030 over, I didn't want to bore any more if not necessary. > Honed cylinders and reassembled with same pistons and new rings. After run > in I discovered that my #3 cyl was registering 80psi compression (other > three were 150). Carefully removed #3 piston and found all rings with the > gap at 9o'clock. Presumed that this was the problem, and re-clocked the > rings. Re-assembled and compression was 150, just like other three. > Checked again after first short drive and found it at 80psi. My theory is > that the cyl is slightly oval, enough that the rings 'center' themselves in > a short time. > Current solution is a 3 main bearing 1800 sitting on a stand awaiting a > rebuild, then I will look further into the 1622. > > To the point of the thread. In my '62 MGA, I have pretty much always used a > qt of oil every 500 - 700 mi. Latest oil change was with Redline 20w50 full > synth and so far I haven't registered a noticeable loss (maybe an 8th qt) on > the dipstick with about 500 mi. I always have a drip or two on the ground > when parked, and I assume at least a little when driving, so that accounts > for a little loss. I like the Redline, and it is packed full of the ZDDP > that our flat tappet engines love. > > Gordie Bird > '62 MGA (Ottawa bound with 80psi compression in #3) _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF8CC2585220 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 12:54:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (d.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4409E258520B for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 12:53:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.169.4.23] (108-169-4-23.dynamic.dsl.sonic.net [108.169.4.23] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s67IrpBu006991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:53:54 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 11:53:42 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] F1 Groupies Thread-Index: Ac+aFMV3lQMwBlMTKkqeWRLvoi98pA== Subject: Re: [Mgs] F1 Groupies Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Houston? I think it's in Austin. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 7/7/14 11:39 AM, FrankK at frankk12@verizon.net wrote: > I have made plans and purchased tickets, very expensive tickets ($500 each) > for the F1 race in Houston at COTA next November. Is there a remote > possibility of acquiring pit passes? I know some of you listers work the F1 > races and may have some information that might lead me to score two pit > passes. Any info will be greatly appreciated. > Frank Krajewski > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7542584C12 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 13:08:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713CE2584BEE for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 13:03:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from FrankPC ([unknown] [100.40.67.189]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0N8C00CB5VL2CB60@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Mon, 07 Jul 2014 14:03:03 -0500 (CDT) From: "FrankK" To: "MG List" Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 15:03:03 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Big OOPS! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO My previous post should have said Austin not Houston! Frank _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46189258524F for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 13:54:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from imta-35.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37ABC2584892 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 13:51:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta006.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s67JmNDH016615; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 12:51:36 -0700 Received: by dm0227.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4830971d) id dm0227.53a9d789.1f3403; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 12:51:35 -0700 From: "Chad" To: "'Max Heim'" , "'MG List'" References: <004301cf99ff$61a75460$24f5fd20$@us> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:51:34 -0500 Thread-Index: AQKLl6zMEAeclSBO1KJprk75gEGfrZodCcyA Content-Language: en-us engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-07-07_03:2014-07-07,2014-07-07,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1407070224 Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I run Valvoline VR-1, for the ZDDP Have run many miles on this oil, solid oil pressure. Chad '72 B -----Original Message----- From: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Max Heim Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 11:54 AM To: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? I don't buy that oval story. The whole idea is to keep the piston square in the bore, so the rings seal. You oval out the bore, the rings are circular -- the only way they can seal is to cock the piston, which can't happen because there are 3 rings, not one. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 7/7/14 9:20 AM, Clayton Kirkwood at crk@godblessthe.us wrote: > Yes! Ok, I've had my 62 mga engine rebuilt 3 times by "experts". The > current iteration seems solid - put a couple thousand miles on her. > But she sips oil modestly. The guy who did the machine shop work for > my 59 Land Rover told me that most machine shops and rebuilders machine the cylinder walls wrong. > They make the cylinders round instead of slightly oval toward the > bottom of the stroke which considers the pull and push rotation of the > driveshaft and connector arm. Seems reasonable to me. > > > > So the question. Should I increase the viscosity of the oil to allow > less oil burn, and/or, go to synthetic which won't burn off? > > > > Also by now, I'm figuring she has finished running in and plan to > change oil/filter. > > > > > > "We live in the greatest nation in the history of the world," he > pleaded. "I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." Barrie > Obama _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgb72@airmail.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4FF2584CAC for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:17:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plwbeout06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtp06-06-2.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [97.74.135.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9F02584C2C for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:17:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([97.74.135.117]) by p3plwbeout06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with bizsmtp id PZJ01o0012Y8iQZ01ZJ0WE; Mon, 07 Jul 2014 14:18:00 -0700 Received: (qmail 18267 invoked by uid 99); 7 Jul 2014 21:18:00 -0000 To: mgb72@airmail.net From: dave@ranteer.com Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 14:17:59 -0700 User-Agent: MailAPI Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO +1 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? From: "Chad" Date: 2014 7 7 2:55 PM To: "'Max Heim'" ,"'MG List'" CC: I run Valvoline VR-1, for the ZDDP Have run many miles on this oil, solid oil pressure. Chad '72 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322AE2584C99 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:26:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plwbeout06-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtp06-02-2.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [97.74.135.57]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4102584C37 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:24:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([97.74.135.117]) by p3plwbeout06-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with bizsmtp id PZQM1o0062Y8iQZ01ZQMDc; Mon, 07 Jul 2014 14:24:21 -0700 Received: (qmail 10508 invoked by uid 99); 7 Jul 2014 21:24:21 -0000 To: mvheim@sonic.net From: dave@ranteer.com Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 14:24:21 -0700 User-Agent: MailAPI Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Valvoline zr 1 20w-50 full synthetic has zddp and is available from amazon. Because a "case" (6 bottles) is over $35 shipping is free -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? From: Max Heim Date: 2014 7 7 1:54 PM To: "MG List" CC: Another synthetic oil option is Mobil1 15w50. This particular weight (and
none other) is designed for flat tappet engines, with 1200ppm phosphorus and
1300ppm zinc. I mention it because it may be easier to find locally _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27B82584C40 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:41:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plwbeout06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtp06-06-2.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [97.74.135.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCBEB2584C37 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:35:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([97.74.135.118]) by p3plwbeout06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with bizsmtp id PZbd1o0032ZSNkp01Zbdo3; Mon, 07 Jul 2014 14:35:37 -0700 Received: (qmail 14284 invoked by uid 99); 7 Jul 2014 21:35:37 -0000 To: mvheim@sonic.net From: dave@ranteer.com Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 14:35:37 -0700 User-Agent: MailAPI Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Thats valvoline vr 1 full synthetic, not zr 1. Sorry _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228182584D16 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 17:52:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta55.windstream.net (pacmmta55.windstream.net [162.39.147.221]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B6C7258483E for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 17:52:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.172.31.34]) by pacmmta55.windstream.net with pacmmta55 id Pbsw1o0040kAU4Q01bsx4t; Mon, 07 Jul 2014 19:52:58 -0400 a=3YshzY5hDAY3zvGsQSmceA==:117 a=3YshzY5hDAY3zvGsQSmceA==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=tcnv99F1KMcA:10 a=ttjr8v4lh9sA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=kYXzIVb0AAAA:8 a=BOzacKwJr5J1EYG3vBYA:9 a=vMsttaX19eWVMrlW:21 a=8OF3XkXiGYqJUbv2:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=nQzzj2WXz64A:10 a=P4KeCbcAQ1wA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta55.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 18:52:53 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Chad , 'Max Heim' , 'MG List' References: <004301cf99ff$61a75460$24f5fd20$@us> <001701cf9a1c$dbf56cd0$93e04670$@airmail.net> Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I run the VR-1 20W50 for the ZDDP. CR On 7/7/2014 2:51 PM, Chad wrote: > I run Valvoline VR-1, for the ZDDP Have run many miles on this oil, solid > oil pressure. > Chad '72 B > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Max Heim > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 11:54 AM > To: MG List > Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? > > I don't buy that oval story. The whole idea is to keep the piston square in > the bore, so the rings seal. You oval out the bore, the rings are circular > -- the only way they can seal is to cock the piston, which can't happen > because there are 3 rings, not one. > > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > > on 7/7/14 9:20 AM, Clayton Kirkwood at crk@godblessthe.us wrote: > >> Yes! Ok, I've had my 62 mga engine rebuilt 3 times by "experts". The >> current iteration seems solid - put a couple thousand miles on her. >> But she sips oil modestly. The guy who did the machine shop work for >> my 59 Land Rover told me that most machine shops and rebuilders machine > the cylinder walls wrong. >> They make the cylinders round instead of slightly oval toward the >> bottom of the stroke which considers the pull and push rotation of the >> driveshaft and connector arm. Seems reasonable to me. >> >> >> >> So the question. Should I increase the viscosity of the oil to allow >> less oil burn, and/or, go to synthetic which won't burn off? >> >> >> >> Also by now, I'm figuring she has finished running in and plan to >> change oil/filter. >> >> >> >> >> >> "We live in the greatest nation in the history of the world," he >> pleaded. "I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." Barrie >> Obama > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgb72@airmail.net > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 327262584D29 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 17:59:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail929c35.carrierzone.com (mail929c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.119]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ABD02584BE4 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 17:57:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-27-8.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.27.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail929c35.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id s67NvXC6016474; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 23:57:34 GMT From: "Eric J Russell" To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 19:56:59 -0400 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > Yes! Ok, I've had my 62 mga engine rebuilt 3 times by "experts". The > current > iteration seems solid - put a couple thousand miles on her. But she sips > oil > modestly. The guy who did the machine shop work for my 59 Land Rover told > me > that most machine shops and rebuilders machine the cylinder walls wrong. > They make the cylinders round instead of slightly oval toward the bottom > of > the stroke which considers the pull and push rotation of the driveshaft > and > connector arm. Seems reasonable to me. > > So the question. Should I increase the viscosity of the oil to allow less > oil burn, and/or, go to synthetic which won't burn off? How would a machine shop make part of the bore oval? Many years ago Honda did something like that with their motorcycle racing engines but it was extremely expensive (they also made oval pistons!). And it was likely not a good cost/benefit ratio. Anyway, how did you break in the engine? There are two camps - the 'baby' it for many hundreds of miles and the 'run it hard right away to seat the rings'. See: http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm And I doubt that an engine that burns regular oil would burn less if switched to synthetic oil. A higher viscosity may help it burn a little less. Maybe. Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28DB12584D32 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 18:17:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f170.google.com (mail-vc0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 745072584C04 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 18:17:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id hy10so4774779vcb.29 for ; Mon, 07 Jul 2014 17:17:29 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=KuPEgi2dSPuiYEb2t982VL2o7fW1oeApQ1Uzf4k4cB8=; b=F0HYfwAPc5v9+UAZNp0nkz8Iz67YO1Euex7mCepvvsshiRd6PFQlr1v/mprXbwsJ13 YvH+wx0R3F/lHXT5/fjIqXt08kYxed/m4xC6Me/ZEb2214EnFfBo8LIEBbCTCR4qKwhK eLOuyyVyu1aV74KQDDTnokvkp2uLmGh6uJbe7zf+Uu96O6UGueToDrH/INAX4KnUpg3F CdgtDibc3Q9zqk/kt65L95wCz8w8DRmFecDJPM4/MpRqzchU+qDeehzw0FwmwFa2R9hJ nKJKbmMOumbPRIx6Ls+O2tDwy75TDUIPy8vL8io94btlYJecScZBuOQr3OTtXGG1Lve3 W/wQ== ty7mr30778366vcb.14.1404778649618; Mon, 07 Jul 2014 17:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.98.226 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 17:17:29 -0700 (PDT) References: <004301cf99ff$61a75460$24f5fd20$@us> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 17:17:29 -0700 From: Simon Matthews To: MGS Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO While we are talking about oil .... I searched on Amazon.com for oil and saw a brand I had never seen before: "Royal Purple". Does anyone have any comments about this brand? They have a 20W50 synthetic oil which has added Zinc and Phosphorous. Simon _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3802584CE7 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 18:45:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (c.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44242584867 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 18:39:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.169.4.23] (108-169-4-23.dynamic.dsl.sonic.net [108.169.4.23] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s680e0re015267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 17:40:02 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 17:35:02 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Thread-Index: Ac+aRHR/DPUtfsO5Tk61XT3f6Oa7dA== Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I know muscle car guys that use it. But I haven't seen the documentation on it. I have the spec sheet for the Mobil1, which is why I feel I can recommend it. on 7/7/14 5:17 PM, Simon Matthews at simon.d.matthews@gmail.com wrote: > While we are talking about oil .... > > I searched on Amazon.com for oil and saw a brand I had never seen > before: "Royal Purple". > > Does anyone have any comments about this brand? They have a 20W50 > synthetic oil which has added Zinc and Phosphorous. > > Simon -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5AD22584C4E for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 19:46:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f48.google.com (mail-pa0-f48.google.com [209.85.220.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F49258080F for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 19:41:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id et14so6387331pad.21 for ; Mon, 07 Jul 2014 18:41:49 -0700 (PDT) h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=ZzcOIG9Z1+jO6Ff2pszLds9ONR58FHC520Vu2axDjC4=; b=fCI6aEDydsKOFAvZang8USqcCjdbNM6VTh+NxXmqZetfOBMMQpxIl+bxkAXGneE+ts X8Hi73Q8sczArSUzfDMWDko/X0fEyyQuD1VyMrOKBTZrGK9A+Vk7zykgYb4uFsestn8x D18ywJ1f7G26PJB3XEy0LYZQIq2Fy43k/kZg5iF8kwZ5yPi5tNYJ9ZYE3IhRB+jm0hIF Jo3jpS4de+X2AUNsean+skYC1hxrB78jkuAf9BV01WtzkRKWcBk5+I4pun2+3DUk5/Sf GGlTwmryN1Dc2iKkWWSEcDMmeamvKXiEQ/b46zvTjoR7sm/sDpXd0vG6Q+Su9Lmh4dlp IVog== lz6mr2101943pdb.61.1404783709289; Mon, 07 Jul 2014 18:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.203.185.170] (mobile-166-137-215-163.mycingular.net. [166.137.215.163]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ib5sm53940986pbb.55.2014.07.07.18.41.46 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 07 Jul 2014 18:41:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Ewald Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 18:41:43 -0700 References: <004301cf99ff$61a75460$24f5fd20$@us> To: "crk@godblessthe.us" Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Cylinders are supposed to be round not oval. Furthermore using an automotive boring bar I can't think of any way to bore them oval. To check for the original bore size you check at the bottom of the bore. To check for wear and oval wear check the bore near the top both length wise and crosswise. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 7, 2014, at 9:20, "Clayton Kirkwood" wrote: > > Yes! Ok, I've had my 62 mga engine rebuilt 3 times by "experts". The current > iteration seems solid - put a couple thousand miles on her. But she sips oil > modestly. The guy who did the machine shop work for my 59 Land Rover told me > that most machine shops and rebuilders machine the cylinder walls wrong. > They make the cylinders round instead of slightly oval toward the bottom of > the stroke which considers the pull and push rotation of the driveshaft and > connector arm. Seems reasonable to me. > > > > So the question. Should I increase the viscosity of the oil to allow less > oil burn, and/or, go to synthetic which won't burn off? > > > > Also by now, I'm figuring she has finished running in and plan to change > oil/filter. > > > > > > "We live in the greatest nation in the history of the world," he pleaded. "I > hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." Barrie Obama > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richard.ewald@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E46E2584C3A for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 04:56:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F3A25800A4 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 04:52:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Pmit1o0021ei1Bg5BmsjED; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 10:52:43 +0000 Received: from stargate ([98.250.57.52]) by omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Pmsi1o00M17cZ1N3kmsiGx; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 10:52:43 +0000 From: "gordies garage" To: "Eric J Russell" , References: <46E32AD36BD34D67813150CCEA0B1EF1@EricJRussellPC> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 06:52:43 -0400 s=q20140121; t=1404816763; bh=PBChS+i7JAHJczqNHfrPPh2RbXhl5tS8ZHalU5fe1Os=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=p+4/2WrO+vP3locXXe8dYrc5qMB2iwaxZmBUueFEY11AZC8DfuXG/tB/T/ZNut7W3 KyiIwD0KFycCPnv5w+2MUD/G0SBV0cJdje1vcOJEitB2Y0fuTTh58peRwuNgdU2fYn 42XYDzfuxXXjRas8z9I2Wrap1KpnRNUXEch0Numz3boDfAJirTUYz7YRQFb9/DJ4ig aURgvXlVkgXqSJ70/y8NdoizTImYspiLmNy0FUNO3sl3HPT5xEi61rHRc5PozOkIST CuXGE1otmQDGDbO3Zdg39NU6zO/DrIATYV8rgQgKAMcEBfEK8dCQ9MlueA4eAlchAu RAPz5oCynCQbw== Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > And I doubt that an engine that burns regular oil would burn less if > switched to synthetic oil. A higher viscosity may help it burn a little > less. Maybe. > > Eric Russell > Mebane, NC Burning, yes, but, could a synthetic prevent an engine from leaking as much? Clearly an MGA engine is going to leak a bit from the rear main where there is no seal, but do synthetics have any "swelling agent" to help seal elsewhere? Thirty years ago, synth was thought to cause leakage from the seals, but that problem has been corrected (if it even existed). Gordie '62 MGA _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419D42584C09 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 06:14:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D8672580259 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 06:09:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-aam02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aam02.mx.aol.com [172.27.19.148]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B1F13700441CB for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 08:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dob005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dob005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.160.145]) by mtaomg-aam02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6A6E038000084 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 08:10:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Mromgbtkd@aol.com Full-name: Mromgbtkd Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 08:10:06 -0400 (EDT) To: mgs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1404821406; bh=YHP/mRBFUi1Rabnai8yUG17hA1jbO763zEZfCZtmXfA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nBNhXybchYTrcvYpIwbLfWGOOO4knKVJC8iV9J3lQx9VsrCH1PNn2YIm5R/evd2p7 NHxvp2P/1vBsT+VS1vKAXMR5r+9nfnXlyAorIZYyFQWqkZTElx7qSlwQGnO/w3+p74 7Veunq+thl6sviwoGd7INCo509z0xHNHPXybCqV0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b139453bbdf9e44a7 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 86, Issue 4, Re: Contents of Mgs digest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Amsoil has Z-rod 20w-50 with ZDDP added for older engines. Mike Olsen In a message dated 7/7/2014 7:16:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mgs-request@autox.team.net writes: Re: Contents of Mgs digest _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D9E258025C for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 07:20:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from admin.nni.com (mailserver.nni.com [67.107.249.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A235258025C for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 07:20:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [199.46.198.231] (account eugeneb@nni.com) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.1.8) with HTTP id 575342261; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 09:20:24 -0400 From: "Eugene Balinski" To: "Chad" ,"'Max Heim'" , "'MG List'" Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 09:20:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Same here Gene 80 B On Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:51:34 -0500 "Chad" wrote: > I run Valvoline VR-1, for the ZDDP Have run many miles > on this oil, solid > oil pressure. > Chad '72 B > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Max Heim > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 11:54 AM > To: MG List > Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? > > I don't buy that oval story. The whole idea is to keep > the piston square in > the bore, so the rings seal. You oval out the bore, the > rings are circular > -- the only way they can seal is to cock the piston, > which can't happen > because there are 3 rings, not one. > > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > > on 7/7/14 9:20 AM, Clayton Kirkwood at crk@godblessthe.us > wrote: > > > Yes! Ok, I've had my 62 mga engine rebuilt 3 times by > "experts". The > > current iteration seems solid - put a couple thousand > miles on her. > > But she sips oil modestly. The guy who did the machine > shop work for > > my 59 Land Rover told me that most machine shops and > rebuilders machine > the cylinder walls wrong. > > They make the cylinders round instead of slightly oval > toward the > > bottom of the stroke which considers the pull and push > rotation of the > > driveshaft and connector arm. Seems reasonable to me. > > > > > > > > So the question. Should I increase the viscosity of the > oil to allow > > less oil burn, and/or, go to synthetic which won't burn > off? > > > > > > > > Also by now, I'm figuring she has finished running in > and plan to > > change oil/filter. > > > > > > > > > > > > "We live in the greatest nation in the history of the > world," he > > pleaded. "I hope you'll join with me as we try to > change it." Barrie > > Obama > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgb72@airmail.net > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/eugeneb@nni.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Web mail provided by NuNet, Inc. The Premier National provider. http://www.nni.com/ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9419B2584EBA for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 11:05:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa12-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE652584E80 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 11:05:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from aragorn ([205.197.253.3]) by p3plsmtpa12-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Pt5g1o01105A0oD01t5hth; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 10:05:45 -0700 From: "Clayton Kirkwood" To: References: <46E32AD36BD34D67813150CCEA0B1EF1@EricJRussellPC> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 10:05:11 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+aPzpfZf4DzjI7Q5Wrc0aBge1bDQAjvIPg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Don't know how he supposedly did it; he may have canted it to one side and then did the other. It may be something specific to VW engines as he is widely known for his VW rebuilds. I took it easly for the first 500 mile keeping it changing and under 4K then I steped it up with harder accelerations and I will go up to 4500 rpm. As to the synth oil, it was my understanding that synth doesn't burn. Probably wrong about that. Clayton -----Original Message----- From: Eric J Russell [mailto:ejrussell@mebtel.net] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 4:57 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Cc: crk@godblessthe.us Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? > Yes! Ok, I've had my 62 mga engine rebuilt 3 times by "experts". The > current iteration seems solid - put a couple thousand miles on her. > But she sips oil modestly. The guy who did the machine shop work for > my 59 Land Rover told me that most machine shops and rebuilders > machine the cylinder walls wrong. > They make the cylinders round instead of slightly oval toward the > bottom of the stroke which considers the pull and push rotation of the > driveshaft and connector arm. Seems reasonable to me. > > So the question. Should I increase the viscosity of the oil to allow > less oil burn, and/or, go to synthetic which won't burn off? How would a machine shop make part of the bore oval? Many years ago Honda did something like that with their motorcycle racing engines but it was extremely expensive (they also made oval pistons!). And it was likely not a good cost/benefit ratio. Anyway, how did you break in the engine? There are two camps - the 'baby' it for many hundreds of miles and the 'run it hard right away to seat the rings'. See: http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm And I doubt that an engine that burns regular oil would burn less if switched to synthetic oil. A higher viscosity may help it burn a little less. Maybe. Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781162584F04 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 11:25:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta54.windstream.net (pacmmta54.windstream.net [162.39.147.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4729F2584DFB for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 11:25:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.172.31.34]) by pacmmta54.windstream.net with pacmmta54 id PtRb1o00M0kAU4Q01tRcbA; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 13:25:36 -0400 a=3YshzY5hDAY3zvGsQSmceA==:117 a=3YshzY5hDAY3zvGsQSmceA==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=tcnv99F1KMcA:10 a=ttjr8v4lh9sA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=vggBfdFIAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=006NKEw9QM6EeAp9_I0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=psXREZS0v_AA:10 a=hkODgbchuuYA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta54.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 12:25:31 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Simon Matthews , MGS References: <004301cf99ff$61a75460$24f5fd20$@us> Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO That used to be called"Royal Purple Titan," AIR. CR On 7/7/2014 7:17 PM, Simon Matthews wrote: > While we are talking about oil .... > > I searched on Amazon.com for oil and saw a brand I had never seen > before: "Royal Purple". > > Does anyone have any comments about this brand? They have a 20W50 > synthetic oil which has added Zinc and Phosphorous. > > Simon > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA11A25853B4 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 11:37:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C6292585315 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 11:37:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.166] by nm27.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2014 17:37:45 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.144] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2014 17:37:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp116.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2014 17:37:45 -0000 s=s1024; t=1404841065; bh=ozpDRKP1RT1kd+6LSXTJvWYV+Ku6QHWh7pY+KbEL6I8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=GsCLhYzIXNMvapiH3SWI3pr5lDMxYImiMAzSe4sEJi7x86N7ubBEnlD1D4efE32QrK9oF8m68CoFoAAjYOn2QvnXgKFk/+b8BGEg6kdtGY4j+x9+aaTWjj+hsTqZfiDOIGwisQNeEIpnqWV4gIqAyE8kAqnnNE75VO8urodp5+I= DntFTl2v9MJgWuSigI7sdUp1zmQQInTkrcWCSWTI69wQB4XZ1V1CTkjtfuVr r7RJz1w9NIaa7Tjp6j_N4TKUsOQRaScI1f7.goWX2ruL109wFIYXnodaiPRa peo7nTXuzE5ezH_dREl_t3iQztQRXRxYBpS2OpUMPJNEORkBQWxIDRDoOuVk isNwsVb0kxfOROms5cUYileRnKm6Zp.dxASI9HtIorKkFhxOVWat8i932i8a UdLrEs8tjbyS_HeIrMVwr_6KS_Cbx6gv.MtaWJ0uZ.6GD9b.E9bGA11dSFyd 5_tc0cAAVsM8oNXDPGqUpP8eFHWThvXxozjd7VqgD_B5uLlfWGaN29BeDh0O wCm4660xnJPsNPqIWqL3E92Hf0j6lSyPY60cKX61FLWIUikmtYelTqAaurod rIhiQnTQclslhOWBmhQrC.t4uHNI2qLaRD0wj6V_JEDjsVhagVEe_r2OKdeX SP1gQ76DjUC.cB_Tqas0l70KrRuqXJ6Cvlho9a.W2R.QFLjte6cI1hX3tLTZ DsE.X9Fkrhdlz2mNh8.lALS6chsqbffyagQkaNqc- [67.195.15.66]) by smtp116.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 08 Jul 2014 17:37:45 +0000 UTC From: "Ron King" To: , "'Simon Matthews'" , "'MGS'" References: <004301cf99ff$61a75460$24f5fd20$@us> <53BC298B.9010305@ktc.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 10:37:39 -0700 Thread-Index: AQKSc34SnN+fyCwO1FPjDdV9WaRrowH6xVeCAxXkgXmZ6Dl8YA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO This "Royal Purple" reminds me of when Union 76 used to market a purple motor oil called "Royal Triton". Ron King '71 MGB -----Original Message----- From: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Charley & Peggy Robinson Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 10:26 AM To: Simon Matthews; MGS Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? That used to be called"Royal Purple Titan," AIR. CR On 7/7/2014 7:17 PM, Simon Matthews wrote: > While we are talking about oil .... > > I searched on Amazon.com for oil and saw a brand I had never seen > before: "Royal Purple". > > Does anyone have any comments about this brand? They have a 20W50 > synthetic oil which has added Zinc and Phosphorous. > > Simon > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation > $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ronking@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BFEC25853A4 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 11:41:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta54.windstream.net (pacmmta54.windstream.net [162.39.147.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD5E2585315 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 11:40:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.172.31.34]) by pacmmta54.windstream.net with pacmmta54 id Ptgz1o00Z0kAU4Q01th0Cy; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 13:41:01 -0400 a=3YshzY5hDAY3zvGsQSmceA==:117 a=3YshzY5hDAY3zvGsQSmceA==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=tcnv99F1KMcA:10 a=ttjr8v4lh9sA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=9FTb0NhbyfZzwtBXnRAA:9 a=aAtQ6AkjbeUrbH4s:21 a=cKdCOh0H0A8l7Wck:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta54.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 12:40:56 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: crk@godblessthe.us References: <004301cf99ff$61a75460$24f5fd20$@us> Cc: "mgs@Autox.Team.Net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] another oil question? really? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I'm just curious; how many miles did you put on the engine between those 3 rebuilds? As to ovality; new pistons are oval somewhat. It's called "cam ground." The idea is that as they heat up they become round through heat expansion. Different parts of the piston expand in different amounts. I have a feeling your engine isn't broken in yet. I'd put 20W50 VR-1 & a new oilf filter in the engine and take it on the road, driving it normally. See how the oil consumption is after a couple more thousand miles. CR On 7/7/2014 11:20 AM, Clayton Kirkwood wrote: > Yes! Ok, I've had my 62 mga engine rebuilt 3 times by "experts". The current > iteration seems solid - put a couple thousand miles on her. But she sips oil > modestly. The guy who did the machine shop work for my 59 Land Rover told me > that most machine shops and rebuilders machine the cylinder walls wrong. > They make the cylinders round instead of slightly oval toward the bottom of > the stroke which considers the pull and push rotation of the driveshaft and > connector arm. Seems reasonable to me. > > > > So the question. Should I increase the viscosity of the oil to allow less > oil burn, and/or, go to synthetic which won't burn off? > > > > Also by now, I'm figuring she has finished running in and plan to change > oil/filter. > > > > > > "We live in the greatest nation in the history of the world," he pleaded. "I > hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." Barrie Obama > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19B125847EA for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 16:43:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4507D258055C; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 16:43:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076202C0068; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 16:43:59 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 16:43:59 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: MG List , MG Subject: [Mgs] Team.Net archives Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO For those of you who have gone to the archive link below, you probably noticed that the last few months are missing and the archive is not getting updated on a regular basis. Sorry 'bout that, I still haven't tracked down the exact problem, but hope to have it back to normal soon. mjb. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net