No. I have 4 = new fibers surrounding the banjos at the carb input. While I followed = Barney=E2=80=99s tightening recommendation, I still seem to be leaking = there and possibly at the flex tubing connection, and I really cranked = good, to the point of no more turning. Still a little on the bowl to = carb=C2=A0 body underneath on one side with all new rubbers there. I = took apart and ensured that the bits were correctly ordered in the = bodies with new corks, oiled and t-shirt scrubbed jets. I guess a little = more finagling.

C<= /span>

From:<= /b> = Peter Chast [mailto:pchastnow@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, August = 21, 2016 7:30 PM
To: crk@godblessthe.us; MG list = <mgs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] carb leaks that = shouldn't be happening

copper = gaskets like a brake line?

On Sun, = Aug 21, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Peter Chast <pchastnow@gmail.com> = wrote:

copper gaskets like a brake = line?

On Sun, = Aug 21, 2016 at 3:52 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:
Thanks = Barney. However, the point of leak is at the banjo bolts in the = fuel
line. Sorry I wasn't clear.

C

> -----Original = Message-----
> From: Barney Gaylord [mailto:barneymg@mgaguru.com]
> Sent: Sunday, August = 21, 2016 10:32 AM
> To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] carb = leaks that shouldn't be happening
>
> I recommend using = Teflon O-rings in place of the original cork seals, no
drip, = no
> leak, no stick even after long storage, good for = decades. Find lots of SU
> carburetor service information = for MGs
> here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/carbs/carb.htm
>>
> At 09:22 PM 8/20/2016 -0700, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs = wrote:
> >....
> >My 62mga is having drinking = problems. I put new fiber seals on I my
> >carbs and they are = leaking. I dare not tighten any further as they are
> = >obviously brass vs aluminum. Any suggestions? Should I soak the = fibers
> >in oil?
> = >....

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------=_NextPart_000_0229_01D1FC86.C7F78640-- --===============4756554961431246306== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============4756554961431246306==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 22 18:34:19 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CF8E25889CE for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 18:34:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 293102587FFF for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 16:12:23 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=6rtlhPVd+aeAy9+nLcnfpg==:117 a=6rtlhPVd+aeAy9+nLcnfpg==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=L5nZv-I8NBXRCBDZwAoA:9 a=c0xLSkXC_lPn0BJ5:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 64.121.164.176 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of mgcarclub.com) Received: from [64.121.164.176] ([64.121.164.176:50548] helo=[192.168.1.115]) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.23.54417 r(Core:3.6.23.0)) with ESMTPS (cipher=AES128-SHA) id AF/27-61435-AC87BB75; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 18:12:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 18:12:26 -0400 References: To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] carb leaks that shouldn't be happening From: Allen Hess via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7542975952391078651== --Apple-Mail=_FFF90303-F8ED-4E36-A127-FDF86481F0CD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=windows-1252 Going along with what Barney said, repeated tightening can pull the = thread proud of the surface. Don=92t know if that would happen in this = case but it does occur for example with oil pan to block, aluminum = transmission case, etc. So be sure the mating surfaces are flat. On Aug 22, 2016, at 2:00 PM, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Seal washers on the carb fuel feed banjo fittings should be fiber = washers. The banjo fittings are polarized, counterbored on one side and = flat on the other side. Flat side must go toward the float cover while = counterbored side goes under the bolt head. --Apple-Mail=_FFF90303-F8ED-4E36-A127-FDF86481F0CD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=windows-1252 Going = along with what Barney said, repeated tightening can pull the thread = proud of the surface. Don=92t know if that would happen in this case but = it does occur for example with oil pan to block, aluminum transmission = case, etc. So be sure the mating surfaces are flat.

On = Aug 22, 2016, at 2:00 PM, mgs-request@autox.team.net = wrote:

Seal washers on the carb fuel feed = banjo fittings should be fiber washers. The banjo fittings are = polarized, counterbored on one side and flat on the other side. = Flat side must go toward the float cover while counterbored side goes = under the bolt head.

= --Apple-Mail=_FFF90303-F8ED-4E36-A127-FDF86481F0CD-- --===============7542975952391078651== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============7542975952391078651==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 22 21:09:07 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75AC92588A73 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 21:09:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9551F258873C for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 18:07:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Aragorn ([205.197.253.4]) by p3plsmtpa07-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id aQ7X1t00406Th8V01Q7XaE; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 17:07:31 -0700 To: References: <008001d1fb63$9cd78880$d6869980$@godblessthe.us> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 17:07:27 -0700 Thread-Index: AQHehl3LgwfrucwUQ4s3UtqSx1MYhQJfDEMroCmeHFA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] carb leaks that shouldn't be happening From: Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============5527100491294877594== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0248_01D1FC97.A95CD670" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0248_01D1FC97.A95CD670 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes. I've looked at Barney's web page, verified my carb assembly is correct w/ exception of possibly two copper washers inside the assembly. I've mighty-torqued:<) the hose to bowl top and the hose to banjo joints with limited success. I tightened the bowl to carb pieces largely with success but still have leakages. The fiber washers on the lipped banjo to hose connections are seeming a bit wide to fit well inside the lip. I'll try grinding the outer diameter down to fit in better. C From: W. David Houser [mailto:mgs4dave@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 9:06 AM To: crk@godblessthe.us Subject: Re: [Mgs] carb leaks that shouldn't be happening Where are you having the leaking problem? The gas line banjo bolt seals, the float bowl mounting bolt or the jet assembly? On Aug 21, 2016, at 12:22 AM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs4dave@tampabay.rr.com ------=_NextPart_000_0248_01D1FC97.A95CD670 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes. = I’ve looked at Barney’s web page, verified my carb assembly = is correct w/ exception of possibly two copper washers inside the = assembly. I’ve mighty-torqued:<) the hose to bowl top and the = hose to banjo joints with limited success. I tightened the bowl to carb = pieces largely with success but still have leakages. The fiber = washers on the lipped banjo to hose connections are seeming a bit wide = to fit well inside the lip. I’ll try grinding the outer diameter = down to fit in better.

C<= /span>

From:<= /b> W. = David Houser [mailto:mgs4dave@tampabay.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, = August 22, 2016 9:06 AM
To: = crk@godblessthe.us
Subject: Re: [Mgs] carb leaks that = shouldn't be happening

Where are = you having the leaking problem? The gas line banjo bolt seals, the float = bowl mounting bolt or the jet assembly?
On Aug 21, 2016, at 12:22 AM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs = <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

My 62mga is = having drinking problems. I put new fiber seals on I my carbs and they = are leaking. I dare not tighten any further as they are obviously brass = vs aluminum. Any suggestions? Should I soak the fibers in oil?
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It has recently developed a bad miss. The miss occurs under some throttle usage: it seems to idle OK. The miss starts happening quickly after the car is started. My first thought was fuel starvation, but I removed the pipe from the fuel carburettor and turned on the ignition: plenty of fuel came out. I checked the levels in the float chambers and I think they were OK. They were both the same and about 3/4 inch from the top. This car has an aftermarket fuel pump mounted on the inner fender. I also wondered about head gasket, but the miss happens even if I prevent any pressure building up in the cooling system by removing the radiator cap. I have recently replaced all the plug leads, distributor cap, condenser and plugs. I have not replaced the coil, but the fact that it seems to idle OK suggests that ignition is not the problem. Where should I start with this car? Simon _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 27 21:34:36 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9EDE25894E9 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2016 21:34:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-it0-f51.google.com (mail-it0-f51.google.com [209.85.214.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A216E25891BA for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2016 18:39:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-it0-f51.google.com with SMTP id e63so52192505ith.1 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2016 17:39:26 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=brP5ExWfKULsova72fGtl+g4V9iIl6/cNBSDzVBcRcU=; b=mM/rBjtKbO6FRo7CtYev/YHZzgB9gKBx2NPNR12+6r6PSW9zmZAVaPR7/YFTC9FLOF XE+VH3tV9eS+ghG0I8A/zZOla/pegdM5DQFkSGIuPPP6rObxgFIzmv5TxN6sh8T951E8 fM3kfOz/j8LGVFYmBiJxQnyPqy4VoGyFV8Vj3uxeMOVh+CRen6Mlskv9m6pb+UWoDviw 7DRK9R3rMPuY9WIFksoCUKE7KQSMY0jifezpjT2zIuPnjTuYEGzNcTkfhqYVfnr74AOB K8xEdhbUsF4r6EaNfgrJw1yzFr0tBLPx2BOUNmsDAU71b4dhNwA9curXMoxH9nY8ZWYf kh+Q== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=brP5ExWfKULsova72fGtl+g4V9iIl6/cNBSDzVBcRcU=; b=YkzMKkyj9da33m6mcFGGdCQNx9QbZLEU9QZD1Xorwn1NZuztJ/7wRIMS/c6XthKm8M U+guEa3DmSyds36X5C5dOYEtVS9OFRBXMtMAp9f4HitmglA1eCMVyZEStVuns3qrbaen eC7Ke6+Xc4aWNLJAOIYFXw9/qKyPIPvzpc86J4ZzHRItfYDP2/tr5g9GtV27outPfafB hAh5ccfMkHsECs9YdsHfLpTbUoxPd5Vx8zD4vM0MGgjwg9A0g3Zbkqu3J2SpHQ/mnbnG XtGFYmfH3Ks2S89RmyuGgoOTLdAQDln9nUrMfgFIo0ReX2sSDiW0HrxHzKlUaVVve9d7 Wn/A== Sat, 27 Aug 2016 17:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.140.199 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Aug 2016 17:39:25 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 17:39:25 -0700 To: MGS Subject: Re: [Mgs] Advice please, bad miss From: Simon Matthews via Mgs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Problem solved. What's that old saw? 90% of fuel problems are ignition problems. I swapped out the almost new condenser and the problem went away. Simon On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Simon Matthews wrote: > We have a '71 MGB GT, which is largely original (even has the smog pump). > > It has recently developed a bad miss. The miss occurs under some > throttle usage: it seems to idle OK. The miss starts happening quickly > after the car is started. > > My first thought was fuel starvation, but I removed the pipe from the > fuel carburettor and turned on the ignition: plenty of fuel came out. > I checked the levels in the float chambers and I think they were OK. > They were both the same and about 3/4 inch from the top. This car has > an aftermarket fuel pump mounted on the inner fender. > > I also wondered about head gasket, but the miss happens even if I > prevent any pressure building up in the cooling system by removing the > radiator cap. > > I have recently replaced all the plug leads, distributor cap, > condenser and plugs. I have not replaced the coil, but the fact that > it seems to idle OK suggests that ignition is not the problem. > > Where should I start with this car? > > Simon _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 28 06:34:20 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383002589861 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2016 06:34:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lf0-f43.google.com (mail-lf0-f43.google.com [209.85.215.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AFD725887D0 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2016 06:27:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lf0-f43.google.com with SMTP id l89so84121364lfi.1 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2016 05:27:44 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=bhRGCNNgaNlPI1VaTz5KK+kHjK7zL9csO10sTbfTPWc=; b=qJypLGchRCKrdLvqRchPyvjGgU91qu+BT3J00UCrpkGekM4+xpEzrboQz+nu41/lFC qkKHqhATjJu8av1enQNdW2KxHvxjgGOShYhFNolVyIvPeWGGmwhYgDZvpZ5jiBJ3v4C1 ww1i4I3tesV3NWsMWtc2fOxt72dFGXe96sHE3MpI5S5hbLG1j/1hvmSSd+OZbyV2THon ZjhjQTyuZW6sVZq+tTVK2KWzDQvqbaQVFk2FT9/MYYiduhqituWVb5Y+R0yBy32kwr6/ VHDMXjxI8ltSmBfLEt8vqi1gZLkqH6GhHU7L2H57j2tFaCuDIPvJY+FIJm4DIzXPrY/6 p14A== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=bhRGCNNgaNlPI1VaTz5KK+kHjK7zL9csO10sTbfTPWc=; b=dHlmPZEIVWibZxy0jgNWHklE5ZQkBj+0k8Olc/TlF7hZvyqhQVyEZ/HEpNjMcOdmYf nsRt0qqEgKZcAoMnAr60xRXiLxpiVPH2E9G1Lpw8Tgd/59Tm5Fv8Zz41LI1JWPRSHq4R OoEwSuWbvURk/Thozeh2w+P0/djGCcQTBkFCEpAP+zlHNzQftUl7XYlgkui5NGdfO3aY KiR+EneovTkg0ld2xjBVXz9hsHG5JDU8ngP/os2lyUFK5AB/Iqf6F5AdxVO82M4NZ+ZK FoTB2+wfSUeoeu3rgavS2agydZTZQPc5/R+hAzVOk1oGc2nzDg7/hDDuFSgusaNJpQAF EVBw== Sun, 28 Aug 2016 05:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.207.206 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Aug 2016 05:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.207.206 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Aug 2016 05:27:31 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 07:27:31 -0500 To: Simon Matthews Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Advice please, bad miss From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3683457563578314509== --001a1140e4de304b31053b20df1a Thanks for posting that, Simon! Read the stacks of workshop manuals and they say, 'condensers almost never fail'. 'Almost' is a dangerous word and it fogs our troubleshooting vision. But well done to you! > What's that old saw? 90% of fuel problems are ignition problems. > > I swapped out the almost new condenser and the problem went away. > > Simon And why after almost a year, am I writing this? Firstly, my MG TD restoration awaits completion, but I uncovered it yesterday while cleaning up the shop. Some of the old excitement returned. Secondly, my old '69 Silver Shadow is at a commercial shop getting new plugs, wires, cap, rotor, coil, ballast, points, and condenser. And guess what; The 'almost new' condenser had failed, leaving that honkin' big 6 liter V8 without enough spark to start! Condensers DO fail, and when they do, diagnostics become difficult because, "condensers almost never fail." Maybe the piles of literature should read, "condensers almost never fail, except for the poorly made replacements available in the 21st century." -rick, with 6 Brirish cars, 3 Italian cars, 1 German, 1 Swedish, and 1 Japanese! --001a1140e4de304b31053b20df1a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for posting that, Simon! Read the stacks of workshop = manuals and they say, 'condensers almost never fail'. 'Almost&#= 39; is a dangerous word and it fogs our troubleshooting vision. But well do= ne to you!

> What's that old saw? 90% of fuel problems are ignit= ion problems.
>
> I swapped out the almost new condenser and the problem went away.
>
> Simon

And why after almost a year, am I writing this? Firstly, my = MG TD restoration awaits completion, but I uncovered it yesterday while cle= aning up the shop. Some of the old excitement returned. Secondly, my old &#= 39;69 Silver Shadow is at a commercial shop getting new plugs, wires, cap, = rotor, coil, ballast, points, and condenser. And guess what; The 'almos= t new' condenser had failed, leaving that honkin' big 6 liter V8 wi= thout enough spark to start! Condensers DO fail, and when they do, diagnost= ics become difficult because, "condensers almost never fail." May= be the piles of literature should read, "condensers almost never fail,= except for the poorly made replacements available in the 21st century.&quo= t;

-rick, with 6 Brirish cars, 3 Italian cars, 1 German, 1 Swed= ish, and 1 Japanese!
--001a1140e4de304b31053b20df1a-- --===============3683457563578314509== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============3683457563578314509==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 28 08:37:40 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230A325889A9 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2016 08:37:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cajat.pair.com (cajat.pair.com [209.68.5.126]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DFDF25860D2 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2016 08:06:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dolphin (pool-71-169-139-217.burl.east.myfairpoint.net [71.169.139.217]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by cajat.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 150BAD5385 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2016 10:06:36 -0400 (EDT) To: References: Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 10:06:34 -0400 Thread-Index: AdIBKPnk9POV8mmfSdSUVE1PVxr3RQAC++Yg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] Advice please, bad miss From: Stephen West-Fisher via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2790248047213971205== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01D20113.DBDCC210" Content-Language: en-us This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01D20113.DBDCC210 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That is the real point, back when most vehicles had them condensers = didn=E2=80=99t fail. Now that they are all made as cheaply as possible = (or are NOS) in very small quantities they fail relatively often. = Earlier this summer I was fighting to bring my Land-Rover back to life = after an overhaul =E2=80=93 bad condenser. =20 Steve=20 =20 -- Stephen West-Fisher N4IK =20 From: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard = Lindsay via Mgs Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 8:28 AM To: Simon Matthews Cc: mgs@autox.team.net List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Advice please, bad miss =20 Maybe the piles of literature should read, "condensers almost never = fail, except for the poorly made replacements available in the 21st = century." -rick, with 6 Brirish cars, 3 Italian cars, 1 German, 1 Swedish, and 1 = Japanese! ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01D20113.DBDCC210 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That is the real point, back when most vehicles had them condensers = didn=E2=80=99t fail. Now that they are all made as cheaply as possible = (or are NOS) in very small quantities they fail relatively often. = Earlier this summer I was fighting to bring my Land-Rover back to life = after an overhaul =E2=80=93 bad condenser.

Steve

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From:= = Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard = Lindsay via Mgs
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 8:28 = AM
To: Simon Matthews
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Subject: Re: [Mgs] Advice please, bad = miss

Maybe the piles of literature = should read, "condensers almost never fail, except for the poorly = made replacements available in the 21st = century."
-rick, with 6 Brirish cars, 3 Italian = cars, 1 German, 1 Swedish, and 1 = Japanese!
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Some years back, I started getting enough condenser failures that I fitted an electronic ignition module. That's turned out to be a good decision.

On 8/28/2016 5:27 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote:

Thanks for posting that, Simon! Read the stacks of workshop manuals and they say, 'condensers almost never fail'. 'Almost' is a dangerous word and it fogs our troubleshooting vision. But well done to you!

> What's that old saw? 90% of fuel problems are ignition problems.
>
> I swapped out the almost new condenser and the problem went away.
>
> Simon

And why after almost a year, am I writing this? Firstly, my MG TD restoration awaits completion, but I uncovered it yesterday while cleaning up the shop. Some of the old excitement returned. Secondly, my old '69 Silver Shadow is at a commercial shop getting new plugs, wires, cap, rotor, coil, ballast, points, and condenser. And guess what; The 'almost new' condenser had failed, leaving that honkin' big 6 liter V8 without enough spark to start! Condensers DO fail, and when they do, diagnostics become difficult because, "condensers almost never fail." Maybe the piles of literature should read, "condensers almost never fail, except for the poorly made replacements available in the 21st century."

-rick, with 6 Brirish cars, 3 Italian cars, 1 German, 1 Swedish, and 1 Japanese!

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When the engine went on n= ormal operational temperature, I heard a nasty bang noise and the engine lo= st a lot of power. I managed to reach home. Later when cold the engine started well again, but much sooner the engine p= ower was lost again. So I replaced the coil and the problem seamed to be away. Quickly at the next longer run the engine started to show the very same iss= ues. I then replaced anything within the ignition, but not the coil of course. The problem did not go away of course. A good friend with lots of experience and parts got fed up with this nasty = problem and replaced the entire ignition set. Problem gone. Had to pay him some $ 30 and I was allowed to keep the faulty set as well. Replacing the coil again gave me a very nice spare set. Cheers, Hans =E2=80=9971 BGT back on the road again after an MOT failure of the UJ joint= of the steering shaft and also some front suspension bushings were showing= to much play. Another MOT failure was the demister did not work =E2=80=93 bit nasty job t= o reconnect the hose again solved it nicely Had a nice 230 miles run last Sunday and all went great Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Richard Lindsay via Mgs= Verzonden: zondag 28 augustus 2016 14:28 Aan: Simon Matthews CC: mgs@autox.team.net List Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Advice please, bad miss Thanks for posting that, Simon! Read the stacks of workshop manuals and the= y say, 'condensers almost never fail'. 'Almost' is a dangerous word and it = fogs our troubleshooting vision. But well done to you! > What's that old saw? 90% of fuel problems are ignition problems. > > I swapped out the almost new condenser and the problem went away. > > Simon And why after almost a year, am I writing this? Firstly, my MG TD restorati= on awaits completion, but I uncovered it yesterday while cleaning up the sh= op. Some of the old excitement returned. Secondly, my old '69 Silver Shadow= is at a commercial shop getting new plugs, wires, cap, rotor, coil, ballas= t, points, and condenser. And guess what; The 'almost new' condenser had fa= iled, leaving that honkin' big 6 liter V8 without enough spark to start! Co= ndensers DO fail, and when they do, diagnostics become difficult because, "= condensers almost never fail." Maybe the piles of literature should read, "= condensers almost never fail, except for the poorly made replacements avail= able in the 21st century." -rick, with 6 Brirish cars, 3 Italian cars, 1 German, 1 Swedish, and 1 Japa= nese! --- Dit e-mailbericht is gecontroleerd op virussen met Avast antivirussoftware.= https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D203D8.CAB1B9B0 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Had a similar experience with my 1970 Puch moped. When the engine went on= normal operational temperature, I heard a nasty bang noise and the engine = lost a lot of power. I managed to reach home.
Later when cold the engine started well ag= ain, but much sooner the engine power was lost again.
=
So I replaced the coil and the pro= blem seamed to be away.
Quickly at the next longer run the engine started to show the ve= ry same issues.
I then replaced anything within the ignition, but not the coil of course= =2E
The probl= em did not go away of course.
A good friend with lots of experience and parts got fed up= with this nasty problem and replaced the entire ignition set.
Problem gone.<= /span>
Had to pay him some $ 30= and I was allowed to keep the faulty set as well.
Replacing the coil again gave me a ve= ry nice spare set.

= Cheers,
Hans=
<= /o:p>
=E2=80=9971 BGT ba= ck on the road again after an MOT failure of the UJ joint of the steering s= haft and also some front suspension bushings were showing to much play.
Another MOT fail= ure was the demister did not work =E2=80=93 bit nasty job to reconnect the = hose again solved it nicely
Had a nice 230 miles run last Sunday and all went great=
Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.te= am.net] Namens Richard Lindsay via Mgs
Verzonden: zondag 2= 8 augustus 2016 14:28
Aan: Simon Matthews
CC: mgs@autox= =2Eteam.net List
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Advice please, bad miss

Thanks for p= osting that, Simon! Read the stacks of workshop manuals and they say, 'cond= ensers almost never fail'. 'Almost' is a dangerous word and it fogs our tro= ubleshooting vision. But well done to you!
> What's tha= t old saw? 90% of fuel problems are ignition problems.
>
> I sw= apped out the almost new condenser and the problem went away.
>
&g= t; Simon
And why after almost a year, am I writing this? F= irstly, my MG TD restoration awaits completion, but I uncovered it yesterda= y while cleaning up the shop. Some of the old excitement returned. Secondly= , my old '69 Silver Shadow is at a commercial shop getting new plugs, wires= , cap, rotor, coil, ballast, points, and condenser. And guess what; The 'al= most new' condenser had failed, leaving that honkin' big 6 liter V8 without= enough spark to start! Condensers DO fail, and when they do, diagnostics b= ecome difficult because, "condensers almost never fail." Maybe th= e piles of literature should read, "condensers almost never fail, exce= pt for the poorly made replacements available in the 21st century."
-rick, with 6 Brirish cars, 3 Italian cars, 1 German, 1 Swed= ish, and 1 Japanese!

Dit e-mailbericht is gecontroleerd op virussen met Avast antivirussoftw= are.
www.avast.= com

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