From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 2 04:23:18 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1AAA14A9 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2021 04:23:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.email-protect.gosecure.net (unknown [208.80.202.2]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 235E2A12A8 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2021 04:20:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailproxy5.neonova.net ([137.118.40.135]) by smtp.email-protect.gosecure.net ({c2bede28-f1ac-11eb-89b6-ef84bde9f670}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20211002102020442_00003481; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 03:20:20 -0700 Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [67.197.105.87]) (Authenticated sender: thgun@comporium.net) by mailproxy5.neonova.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7CF86600022; Sat, 2 Oct 2021 06:20:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Gunderson Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 06:20:14 -0400 To: Mga List Subject: [Mgs] Stick shift boot Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a rubber boot that has split in on of the folds. My boot has a metal ring at the top of the boot. I got a new boot from a vendor but it did not come with the metal ring. Can I transfer this ring to the new boot? Thanks, Tom Gunderson 1957 MGA Sent from my iPhone X _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 2 07:00:21 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C32AA1505 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2021 07:00:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from gateway30.websitewelcome.com (unknown [192.185.148.2]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6757BA14EC for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2021 06:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cm14.websitewelcome.com (cm14.websitewelcome.com [100.42.49.7]) by gateway30.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7558DFE for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2021 07:59:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from box5291.bluehost.com ([162.241.225.207]) by cmsmtp with SMTP id WebZm0OmKIWzGWebZm6qUx; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 07:59:05 -0500 ; s=default; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:From: To:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Message-ID:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=nJk0O1oNn76wLoagDAJc0uly9wrsReopBCgiPrzRcqI=; b=VFpW+CHzkR7kjAr9nMLLrBeWG5 eIMclqjK5W/hzRYfJjd2stmDNcurGyVYigjW/UfKMmskkmLtl5xhPzXPNUK1fuXbXY6wc4CcspFyn fa32XQUfoNvPQkpmN8+mT6QNDvkYCPNyVe8hYCcXwh82hlbQGfQvYq5cTYeJCeP/ynURjYGyYz7vy RwiUNFsFycZ8XtXvXK/b+wGHuOBQoneu+vxakn1NxmpFk3DK7SZdVXnGVljy8wo+J+yDcSJaud2sD ODOmdLaOjoSTDUTQ5C2YsCaADd3NyXl61CUiAX9l0TawcPHZloUFTjdfPvyBBGr/EyjCjRRHcc/dg 8KJOZ5Fw==; Received: from c-174-55-6-142.hsd1.pa.comcast.net ([174.55.6.142]:57018 helo=BarneysPC.mgaguru.com) by box5291.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWebZ-001K40-JN; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 06:59:05 -0600 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 08:58:49 -0400 To: Thomas Gunderson ,Mga List From: Barney Gaylord References: <12B98F0B-3A7C-40DB-863A-1EEDF6897444@comporium.net> please include it with any abuse report [174.55.6.142]:57018 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stick shift boot Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4452161676582590826== boundary="=====================_88904890==.ALT" --=====================_88904890==.ALT Yup, Loosen jam nut, remove shift knob and jam nut Lift off old boot, remove trim ring. Install trim ring on new boot, and install new boot Reinstall lock nut and shift knob. Orient the shift knob as preferred, and tighten the jam nut. Bottom flange of the rubber boot should engage the hole in the tunnel. Carpet should be cover the bottom of the rubber boot. Only the convolutions of the rubber boot should be showing above the carpet. This means you need to lift the center carpet section to install the rubber boot underneath, then put the carper back on top. Front edge of the center carpet should be tucked under rear edge of the front carpet. Rear edge of the center carpet sits on top of the rear carpet. Bottom edges of the center carpet may sit flush with the floor, or if longer then they get tucked under the floor carpet. Mine are longer, tucked under the floor carpet, and I staple the center carpet flanges to the floor boards to be secure. At 06:20 AM 10/2/2021, Thomas Gunderson wrote: >I have a rubber boot that has split in on of the folds. My boot has >a metal ring at the top of the boot. I got a new boot from a vendor >but it did not come with the metal ring. Can I transfer this ring to >the new boot? > >Thanks, >Tom Gunderson >1957 MGA >.... --=====================_88904890==.ALT Yup,

Loosen jam nut, remove shift knob and jam nut
Lift off old boot, remove trim ring.
Install trim ring on new boot, and install new boot
Reinstall lock nut and shift knob.
Orient the shift knob as preferred, and tighten the jam nut.

Bottom flange of the rubber boot should engage the hole in the tunnel.
Carpet should be cover the bottom of the rubber boot.
Only the convolutions of the rubber boot should be showing above the carpet.

This means you need to lift the center carpet section to install the rubber boot underneath, then put the carper back on top.  Front edge of the center carpet should be tucked under rear edge of the front carpet.  Rear edge of the center carpet sits on top of the rear carpet.

Bottom edges of the center carpet may sit flush with the floor, or if longer then they get tucked under the floor carpet.  Mine are longer, tucked under the floor carpet, and I staple the center carpet flanges to the floor boards to be secure.


At 06:20 AM 10/2/2021, Thomas Gunderson wrote:
I have a rubber boot that has split in on of the folds. My boot has a metal ring at the top of the boot. I got a new boot from a vendor but it did not come with the metal ring. Can I transfer this ring to the new boot?

Thanks,
Tom Gunderson
1957 MGA
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Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4144932737213779245== --0000000000008782bb05cdac7590 > ...the LW band wouldn't have broadcasting in the US > ... you might be able to pick up some LW band] signals. > > Steve West-Fisher > N4IK ...especially at night, if any entity is still using the LW band. Wiki says, "*The frequency for longwave range from 30KHz to 279 KHz , covering a median wavelength of 150 meters.*" That's really low frequency. The antenna in one's mobile phone is only a few millimeters long, or if a tuned dipole, 3"-6" depending upon the mobile phone band being used. Broadcast FM radio dipole antennas tune at about 4 feet long. We've all seen those kinds of antennas in some cars' windshield glass. A dipole antenna for 30KHz, the very bottom of the LW band, is 15,600 feet long! Rick WD4KIB --0000000000008782bb05cdac7590 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> ...the LW band wouldn't have
br= oadcasting in the US
> ... you might be able to p= ick up some LW band] signals.
>
> Steve West-Fisher
> N4IK

...especially at night, if any entity= is still using the LW band. Wiki says, "The frequency for longwave= range from 30KHz to 279 KHz , covering a median wavelength of 150 meters.<= /i>" That's really low frequency.
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0The antenna in one's mobile phone is only a few millimeters long,= or if a tuned dipole, 3"-6" depending upon the mobile phone band= being used. Broadcast FM radio dipole antennas tune at about 4 feet long. = We've all seen those kinds of antennas in some cars' windshield gla= ss. A dipole antenna for 30KHz, the very bottom of the LW band, is 15,600 f= eet long!=C2=A0

Rick
WD4KIB
--0000000000008782bb05cdac7590-- --===============4144932737213779245== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============4144932737213779245==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 6 05:19:12 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CCAAA1106 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2021 05:19:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lf1-f47.google.com (unknown [209.85.167.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045C7A0F68 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2021 05:04:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lf1-f47.google.com with SMTP id x27so8703758lfa.9 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 04:04:23 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=A/jOIkgzPUlPVeKQHEG2WWN7okc+RxMQ2tq0ySdtWoE=; b=FIe/o6HMDgI4FUR6DTzdvGcrdXBcUKm/r159dCMuj5e95DWPHEEtdXQpQ6oRwPyIc9 8QTHNNKkKF9s1Z7vpPRB7tVpKWwvLYsMV6U3MOtBgz7y3Y+byi39irUk+qAJk1sihnRa OWU4fbEk7V7wwBruBoUHdTr6uR7qT9WC2qBDjbVZ3QEFUfkz/bO4TLdPt/e7EBRevrBE L+DoGgs4td8BnEEcv+jJjSUkveSekWaP/q5mG3dBOj85vLUhpg+L7HbKaMXEf1s2rYNR D12futrtp8Xswvf9HXVWaouKOtDPxAAHEhX/0+aA1/SiF+mtYMilpMJ64GQoKO11VfQN 22gw== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=A/jOIkgzPUlPVeKQHEG2WWN7okc+RxMQ2tq0ySdtWoE=; b=mVxCjrlbNuPP2ExbLsD22ON+YZtpOW/vMrGxmzNxMB8wsi4yQzf54FXWMC+4MI6I5p 4WwUaiynPsxsOXCn/CI09btTjY8tRepgBBKErOmbSAvLLYQzPzZUTxkbp7lIKWruhPH8 EuurG4a6JzgWfiNtpD4S056taAcrpzvDFrhzE2Fli0Re9N0D2zIDkEErj+OnvZLbdUgp wdUlDiRw2GVyNtmPUAtCSO9Pj9RmxWLfm7B1SWdEslT+XkGcaTJ2TXj7Mnq+1rTC+/IM 3pm2k2Y6FBnHK3A88pSogTY4bG5P3L33Hvja66kbsjejisSyuMWZxCYjXNinEixhJxZ8 Pelg== sOY+fPOEsVgDgQXIltQBhvjrgQLuQ2ld1fj4F+0+WvcT e10mr27938720ljf.287.1633518262331; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 04:04:22 -0700 (PDT) References: <000a01d7b963$8b944590$a2bcd0b0$@ranteer.com> <80bc9bb8a24b845d14b83f45f2ea98f5@coastaldatasystems.com> From: Richard Lindsay Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 06:04:09 -0500 To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Radios Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1611786419253639894== --000000000000c2ae5b05cdad1be6 Yes friends, my words copied below are all but totally useless in this circle of MG people, but sometimes talk of radios, frequencies and antennas overcomes ham radio guys like me and we spew mostly useless and irrelevant information. Please forgive. Rick WD4KIB, General Class ...and two MGs On Wed, Oct 6, 2021, 5:17 AM Richard Lindsay wrote: > > ...the LW band wouldn't have > broadcasting in the US > > ... you might be able to pick up some LW band] signals. > > > > Steve West-Fisher > > N4IK > > ...especially at night, if any entity is still using the LW band. Wiki > says, "*The frequency for longwave range from 30KHz to 279 KHz , covering > a median wavelength of 150 meters.*" That's really low frequency. > The antenna in one's mobile phone is only a few millimeters long, or if > a tuned dipole, 3"-6" depending upon the mobile phone band being used. > Broadcast FM radio dipole antennas tune at about 4 feet long. We've all > seen those kinds of antennas in some cars' windshield glass. A dipole > antenna for 30KHz, the very bottom of the LW band, is 15,600 feet long! > > Rick > WD4KIB > --000000000000c2ae5b05cdad1be6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes friends, my words copied below are all but total= ly useless in this circle of MG people, but sometimes talk of radios, frequ= encies and antennas overcomes ham radio guys like me and we spew mostly use= less and irrelevant information. Please forgive.
Rick WD4KIB, General Class ...and two MGs

On Wed, Oct 6, 2021, 5:17 AM Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com> = wrote:
> ...th= e LW band wouldn't have
broadcasting in the US
> ... you might be able to pick up some LW band] signals= .
>
> Steve West-Fisher=
> N4IK

...especially at night, if any entity is still using the LW band.= Wiki says, "The frequency for longwave range from 30KHz to 279 KHz= , covering a median wavelength of 150 meters." That's really = low frequency.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The antenna in one's= mobile phone is only a few millimeters long, or if a tuned dipole, 3"= -6" depending upon the mobile phone band being used. Broadcast FM radi= o dipole antennas tune at about 4 feet long. We've all seen those kinds= of antennas in some cars' windshield glass. A dipole antenna for 30KHz= , the very bottom of the LW band, is 15,600 feet long!=C2=A0

Rick
WD4KIB
--000000000000c2ae5b05cdad1be6-- --===============1611786419253639894== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1611786419253639894==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 6 06:00:21 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97176A1118 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2021 06:00:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qt1-f173.google.com (unknown [209.85.160.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60FEAA051E for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2021 05:51:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qt1-f173.google.com with SMTP id l13so2238288qtv.3 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 04:52:03 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=HXnIBNcC0GHwSmq7nAq+PPldbmgzbZWtdRpjqO/rx4E=; b=lqthi+m3hQJ8k3i/pI/FnEOr2u/WuqqodXQxEnoRCwlF9Qow3qOaWoVWtDmS8NI9qG f6oqlO4Jm73Yr0G4X8iHDiWLG14B/NPS/QW7+sj4cghP2LriN8d+OJFmpenzqIQluMXF /e/8VBkuGfRm874zDFqaqsQv7uf8NbAVFqbRIAmkN7NBHcdreU5Tg7F7cFtr1iKuPS/n I68/+d+B9Py7wPU7RoLW+A2w0HgW7g/7cvz9WJg6nVKUL2/ylEtzBZMkAvwebUIHK2AG Mk2LnkQc8xL1wKaX8nK6wV2LlrUK0LWvlheYxYZ9W2a4IxJAdaEKU3KXoRtKJMAJ4eYS fEjQ== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=HXnIBNcC0GHwSmq7nAq+PPldbmgzbZWtdRpjqO/rx4E=; b=dT3j281Lj2KtJTEO90eQgbSWVg8KSAJVC/w9VLhwrlX2FatU1sv11HTsaB46ncZAnG 1AFsSKFwon5rfFHbUSCmltweC0BqaBTOHbVVnu7SQFuJLZZ9PTVfnyYy3Bh0tQY0JReH nEB40RTU9xNMHA3qBJZyduCzB++anwhrv7T4iIJQTaNviINTOe1Lcdh7PcQPB1Nkef7H nG5Jng+MaS4hIrPyobWkKK0bfM3wObbnlj1PAjZqhH0hc5y9ecW0tyIoCmcxg6TeKoD4 plf1Y95pf2jElXZ0vMXPw2dt+r7i9nw5R/cvqyysxD9jYbxHRt8wt4BdY2TLe1+q4xU/ 0HUQ== 0Cs++B85yHvAtH0HyXaCzXbPwuGr+ro= Wed, 06 Oct 2021 04:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] ([32.210.21.102]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l3sm2783736qkj.110.2021.10.06.04.52.02 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Oct 2021 04:52:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert's New iPad Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 07:52:01 -0400 References: <000a01d7b963$8b944590$a2bcd0b0$@ranteer.com> <80bc9bb8a24b845d14b83f45f2ea98f5@coastaldatasystems.com> To: Richard Lindsay Subject: Re: [Mgs] Radios Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8323076913741013223== boundary=Apple-Mail-4431FB5E-7090-4581-8F67-410796C62BB5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-4431FB5E-7090-4581-8F67-410796C62BB5 charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not at all useless, Rick. I have long wondered why the antennae in Annapolis MD, on the point south= of Naval Academy, were so long, and your 15,600 ft measure explains it.=20= Bob > On Oct 6, 2021, at 7:04 AM, Richard Lindsay wr= ote: >=20 > Yes friends, my words copied below are all but totally useless in this cir= cle of MG people, but sometimes talk of radios, frequencies and antennas ove= rcomes ham radio guys like me and we spew mostly useless and irrelevant info= rmation. Please forgive. >=20 > Rick WD4KIB, General Class ...and two MGs >=20 >> On Wed, Oct 6, 2021, 5:17 AM Richard Lindsay w= rote: >> > ...the LW band wouldn't have >> broadcasting in the US >> > ... you might be able to pick up some LW band] signals. >> > >> > Steve West-Fisher >> > N4IK >>=20 >> ...especially at night, if any entity is still using the LW band. Wiki sa= ys, "The frequency for longwave range from 30KHz to 279 KHz , covering a med= ian wavelength of 150 meters." That's really low frequency. >> The antenna in one's mobile phone is only a few millimeters long, or i= f a tuned dipole, 3"-6" depending upon the mobile phone band being used. Bro= adcast FM radio dipole antennas tune at about 4 feet long. We've all seen th= ose kinds of antennas in some cars' windshield glass. A dipole antenna for 3= 0KHz, the very bottom of the LW band, is 15,600 feet long!=20 >>=20 >> Rick >> WD4KIB > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com --Apple-Mail-4431FB5E-7090-4581-8F67-410796C62BB5 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
&nb= sp;  Not at all useless, Rick.
   I hav= e long wondered why the antennae in Annapolis MD, on the point south of Nava= l Academy,  were so long, and your 15,600 ft measure explains it. =
Bob

=
On Oct 6, 2021, at 7:04 AM, Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com> wrote:

<= blockquote type=3D"cite">
Yes friends= , my words copied below are all but totally useless in this circle of MG peo= ple, but sometimes talk of radios, frequencies and antennas overcomes ham ra= dio guys like me and we spew mostly useless and irrelevant information. Plea= se forgive.

Rick WD4KIB, G= eneral Class ...and two MGs

On Wed, Oct 6, 2021= , 5:17 AM Richard Lindsay <r= ichardolindsay@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...the LW band wouldn't have
broa= dcasting in the US
> ... you might be able to pick= up some LW band] signals.
>
> Steve West-Fisher
> N4IK

...especially at night, if any entity is st= ill using the LW band. Wiki says, "The frequency for longwave range from 3= 0KHz to 279 KHz , covering a median wavelength of 150 meters." That's re= ally low frequency.
   The antenna in one's= mobile phone is only a few millimeters long, or if a tuned dipole, 3"-6" de= pending upon the mobile phone band being used. Broadcast FM radio dipole ant= ennas tune at about 4 feet long. We've all seen those kinds of antennas in s= ome cars' windshield glass. A dipole antenna for 30KHz, the very bottom of t= he LW band, is 15,600 feet long! 

Rick
WD4KIB
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= --Apple-Mail-4431FB5E-7090-4581-8F67-410796C62BB5-- --===============8323076913741013223== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============8323076913741013223==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 6 10:40:23 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78396A138F for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2021 10:40:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from omta016.useast.a.cloudfilter.net (unknown [34.195.253.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D08A0D33 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2021 10:33:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cxr.smtp.a.cloudfilter.net ([10.0.17.211]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id Y5Y3mngehfzs6Y9qqmfBx9; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 16:33:04 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.12] ([72.197.148.81]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id Y9qpmr0GcFiigY9qqmQ3bQ; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 16:33:04 +0000 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=stargazer1@cox.net a=jolZcDUF0YFZvyvaEJUHtg==:117 a=jolZcDUF0YFZvyvaEJUHtg==:17 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=wKFsBY9wbrGAZyMoSV0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=Z8RDv6Fkxy2iH1QmddsA:9 a=xSzetM3-RInUTKhb:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=qrIFiuKZe2vaD64auk6j:22 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 09:33:03 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.1.2 Content-Language: en-US To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <000a01d7b963$8b944590$a2bcd0b0$@ranteer.com> <80bc9bb8a24b845d14b83f45f2ea98f5@coastaldatasystems.com> From: David Ambrose cLuJfU4wcgGDmInVlAodAnkHHJvojebM9z2WTTp4jWSbZ77SDMUyfRIkBllTBVReIeBC6faIGUUKZw== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Radios Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============8244449411308203695== boundary="------------eZ9v7JIXb0nnbnhKruhmg3E4" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------eZ9v7JIXb0nnbnhKruhmg3E4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Not totally useless. I understood them. I'm not a ham, but I did a lot of shortwave listening as a youth. On 10/6/2021 4:04 AM, Richard Lindsay wrote: > Yes friends, my words copied below are all but totally useless in this > circle of MG people, but sometimes talk of radios, frequencies and > antennas overcomes ham radio guys like me and we spew mostly useless > and irrelevant information. Please forgive. > > Rick WD4KIB, General Class ...and two MGs > > On Wed, Oct 6, 2021, 5:17 AM Richard Lindsay > wrote: > > > ...the LW band wouldn't have > broadcasting in the US > > ... you might be able to pick up some LW band] signals. > > > > Steve West-Fisher > > N4IK > > ...especially at night, if any entity is still using the LW band. > Wiki says, "/The frequency for longwave range from 30KHz to 279 > KHz , covering a median wavelength of 150 meters./" That's really > low frequency. >    The antenna in one's mobile phone is only a few millimeters > long, or if a tuned dipole, 3"-6" depending upon the mobile phone > band being used. Broadcast FM radio dipole antennas tune at about > 4 feet long. We've all seen those kinds of antennas in some cars' > windshield glass. A dipole antenna for 30KHz, the very bottom of > the LW band, is 15,600 feet long! > > Rick > WD4KIB > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/stargazer1@cox.net --------------eZ9v7JIXb0nnbnhKruhmg3E4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Not totally useless. I understood them. I'm not a ham, but I did a lot of shortwave listening as a youth.

On 10/6/2021 4:04 AM, Richard Lindsay wrote:
Yes friends, my words copied below are all but totally useless in this circle of MG people, but sometimes talk of radios, frequencies and antennas overcomes ham radio guys like me and we spew mostly useless and irrelevant information. Please forgive.

Rick WD4KIB, General Class ...and two MGs

On Wed, Oct 6, 2021, 5:17 AM Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...the LW band wouldn't have
broadcasting in the US
> ... you might be able to pick up some LW band] signals.
>
> Steve West-Fisher
> N4IK

...especially at night, if any entity is still using the LW band. Wiki says, "The frequency for longwave range from 30KHz to 279 KHz , covering a median wavelength of 150 meters." That's really low frequency.
   The antenna in one's mobile phone is only a few millimeters long, or if a tuned dipole, 3"-6" depending upon the mobile phone band being used. Broadcast FM radio dipole antennas tune at about 4 feet long. We've all seen those kinds of antennas in some cars' windshield glass. A dipole antenna for 30KHz, the very bottom of the LW band, is 15,600 feet long! 

Rick
WD4KIB

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Submarine communications. Simon _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 10 13:49:56 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADCD6A138A for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 13:49:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lf1-f41.google.com (unknown [209.85.167.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D073A12DE for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 13:48:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lf1-f41.google.com with SMTP id x27so64090148lfa.9 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 12:48:22 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=6wp9YBJ2byy9yxnUs6A61HzOQd4KzB52kIzVmm4rWLY=; b=plJPSyQ79rzqz/xIxoXJNQZ6rDCHh+RADIkezc61zQWZVTQin7gQZxjgeS+Wu7Pb56 GILmN+s2X+YE5DVS/MI1sE6BQSb+92buENQs/0bb6BPU1iDJe/zyyzlTgmOEIqAUIoOw Px4uzYi9DFuEe/1ZNH300SgEj1Y8d9khR3TqzUwoRkHNWulWCn29fxAgNVTrRUF/dIKf kwxcZk41ScPOJ5eg2YtENmLzyvEUrjYSFgVfVQPgtIYZu6IWuSqylZTprYlulgFxiOd6 LccNIEdL7c8ftdwKG/qlAfKq9/ELZeQvqlqRsE9n9ODTQjGSc6fJF1XRfLrY0pOT4zoc 7gtQ== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=6wp9YBJ2byy9yxnUs6A61HzOQd4KzB52kIzVmm4rWLY=; b=pCdgNiEPZBi2V+ZlEuBImq1m4/r2Fnp17wCctFHVmosarjdj30/f+2vyPvoIia7PUs +k1yQjBHQoEwrG2aIcpyTsTOdKo8DE/oNj6eMCj0suUDkzn1lRNuC2rj7GYqv3ZTnpOu j9I6YwRJALjZHAabtEPANgA5tJBcCRzWwUALeUvP5wgTSouTtdAHS5MoGiEKtN6UhEhq rfQ2w3PTelCLAe4+iSsjSrG6Q2NF1caY2Y/7FCvlswac5SgVxocMOy/WGTj6bSS8U2CV V5VIE8cChBUnbo62H51bhFQUFFxzzu8uP3KP50Of7cb2brOussnkVFmjzq/4L+Ypcxvp XpVA== 32alz1Px18YsebRpLep+rzIz84yWB1FMn/50fYXWFGQGaBo= q18mr22634771lfu.198.1633895301043; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 12:48:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael MacLean Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 12:48:09 -0700 To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Brake Booster Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1880631068048672417== --00000000000004d66905ce04e5d4 Who has added a brake booster to their MGB or MGB GT which initially did not have one? Do you have pictures of where you mounted and how you did it. I just put new pads and rotors on my 69 MGB GT. It still takes a lot of effort to apply the brakes. Mike MacLean 1969 MGB GT 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Bugeye) 1956 Austin Healey BN2 Lemans conversion --00000000000004d66905ce04e5d4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Who has added a brake booster to their MGB or MGB GT whic= h initially did not have one?=C2=A0 Do you have pictures of where you mount= ed and how you did it.=C2=A0 I just put new pads and rotors on my 69 MGB GT= .=C2=A0 It still takes a lot of effort to apply the brakes.=C2=A0=C2=A0Mike MacLean
1969 MGB GT
1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Bugeye)
1956 Au= stin Healey BN2 Lemans conversion
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If you are comparing it with a modern car then yes the MGB can be=20 considered 'heavy', but I find modern way too sensitive for my = liking.  The=20 factory booster makes very little difference, I've driven them with and = without,=20 and with but disabled, and noticed almost no difference.  There are = 'stronger' after-market ones though.  If this is an LHD then I've = seen them=20 fitted on the passenger side against the bulkhead, but because of the = limited=20 space that side of the heater pointing forwards instead of across like = they are=20 on RHD.  You can see one in a factory LHD V8 here http://www.mgb-stuff.org= .uk/servo.htm#7,=20 one of the cars sent to America for testing then returned and ended = up in=20 Europe.
 
PaulH.
----- Original Message -----

Who has added a brake booster to their MGB or MGB GT = which=20 initially did not have one?  Do you have pictures of where you = mounted=20 and how you did it.  I just put new pads and rotors on my 69 MGB=20 GT.  It still takes a lot of effort to apply the=20 brakes.  
------=_NextPart_000_0058_01D7BE7E.EE863AD0-- --===============0743328138626266343== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0743328138626266343==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 11 02:37:51 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92AAA0DA3 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 02:37:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl (unknown [195.121.94.183]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8F7A0D83 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 02:36:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.kpnmail.nl (unknown [10.31.155.5]) by ewsoutbound.so.kpn.org (Halon) with ESMTPS id 3eca0743-2a6e-11ec-a02e-005056992ed3; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 10:35:52 +0200 (CEST) h=content-type:mime-version:message-id:date:subject:to:from; bh=opd60PCqJLoIL4o+hpOLS2y4EPLHgfNs2pBCkyVMm6w=; b=ZF8ORVWa8uGFsXWVjryhj5ivbYuO9w2V9YIunuUI8CQQk/JumrOM2izUVzkzh280QwYzjsCNxhJsk 1zX9v9b1WH01VbIKuQ9+28XcpuPvzG33jsK8elwXg+vTAjIgEWYZktWVsoaH22Y0+2+3w/8LJ2YA8q OqXy5pI/FIj/rOYY= OtxqC95slFyEoBqOC/HZIvg== IZVFoq6G5Z3dMYMQJjRHARg== Received: from laptop1 (77-161-98-80.fixed.kpn.net [77.161.98.80]) by smtp.kpnmail.nl (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 591d0d82-2a6e-11ec-8d65-00505699b758; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 10:36:37 +0200 (CEST) From: To: "'Michael MacLean'" , References: Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 10:36:41 +0200 Thread-Index: AQGqR/nrxLvpUf7kCD31Qc+Wwc9+RqwoZRsw Content-Language: nl Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake Booster Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============2733817572107778722== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01D7BE8B.E1383DD0" Content-Language: nl This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01D7BE8B.E1383DD0 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Depends to what car you compare Michael. My 1971 also does not have a booster, but the brakes are working very well = and with good =E2=80=9Cfeeling=E2=80=9D. Other parts of the brake system may well contribute to the need of a firmer= pressure than expected like: Brake calliper pistons may be not moving freely Master cylinder may in need of a service =E2=80=93 overhaul Brake pedal pivot point not working well=E2=80=A6 Hans 71 BGT Van: Mgs Namens Michael MacLean Verzonden: zondag 10 oktober 2021 21:48 Aan: mgs@autox.team.net Onderwerp: [Mgs] Brake Booster Who has added a brake booster to their MGB or MGB GT which initially did no= t have one? Do you have pictures of where you mounted and how you did it. = I just put new pads and rotors on my 69 MGB GT. It still takes a lot of e= ffort to apply the brakes. Mike MacLean 1969 MGB GT 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Bugeye) 1956 Austin Healey BN2 Lemans conversion -- Dit e-mailbericht is gecontroleerd op virussen met Avast antivirussoftware.= https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01D7BE8B.E1383DD0 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<= p class=3DMsoNormal>Depends to what car you compare Michael.

My 1971 al= so does not have a booster, but the brakes are working very well and with g= ood =E2=80=9Cfeeling=E2=80=9D.

Other parts of the br= ake system may well contribute to the need of a firmer pressure than expect= ed like:

Brake calliper pistons may be not moving fr= eely

Master cylinder may in need of a service =E2=80= =93 overhaul

Brake pedal pivot point not working wel= l=E2=80=A6

 

Hans

71 BGT

 

=

Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.ne= t> Namens Michael MacLean
Verzonden: zondag 10 oktober = 2021 21:48
Aan: mgs@autox.team.net
Onderwerp: [Mgs] Bra= ke Booster

 

Who has added a brake booster to their MGB or MGB G= T which initially did not have one?  Do you have pictures of where you= mounted and how you did it.  I just put new pads and rotors on my 69 = MGB GT.  It still takes a lot of effort to apply the brakes. &nbs= p;

Mike MacLean

1969 MGB GT

1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Bugeye)

1956 Austin Healey BN2 Lemans conversion


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------=_NextPart_000_0038_01D7BE8B.E1383DD0-- --===============2733817572107778722== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============2733817572107778722==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 11 05:54:36 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331A5A0D74 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 05:54:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (unknown [68.178.252.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE58DA0D4B for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 05:51:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TR3a ([70.113.144.162]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPSA id ZtpzmWGjLjvvKZtq0mpxvU; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 04:51:24 -0700 a=KXMrHgSagCIti5hztBmXkQ==:117 a=KXMrHgSagCIti5hztBmXkQ==:17 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=0CDJXS7TAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=FA5m6l7AvrNva6yOohAA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=7TVz-EtjuCis2s-MclYA:9 a=jYcgxi5eJqTR3i6q:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 From: "dave" To: References: <003701d7be7b$1daed190$590c74b0$@planet.nl> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 06:51:24 -0500 Thread-Index: AQGqR/nrxLvpUf7kCD31Qc+Wwc9+RgLjzMx5rBF+LyA= Content-Language: en-us OKZRw1HYeJblI/mXgp7pZ9cGXLKrd+t+VfpuaI+PKTmx3uAXSlx5LkeN Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake Booster Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============4097735489257841825== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01D7BE6C.68EB1060" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D7BE6C.68EB1060 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds to me like the calipers need to be rebuilt=20 =20 From: Mgs On Behalf Of = h.duinhoven@planet.nl Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 3:37 AM To: 'Michael MacLean' ; mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake Booster =20 Depends to what car you compare Michael. My 1971 also does not have a booster, but the brakes are working very = well and with good =E2=80=9Cfeeling=E2=80=9D. Other parts of the brake system may well contribute to the need of a = firmer pressure than expected like: Brake calliper pistons may be not moving freely Master cylinder may in need of a service =E2=80=93 overhaul Brake pedal pivot point not working well=E2=80=A6 =20 Hans 71 BGT =20 > Namens Michael MacLean Verzonden: zondag 10 oktober 2021 21:48 Onderwerp: [Mgs] Brake Booster =20 Who has added a brake booster to their MGB or MGB GT which initially did = not have one? Do you have pictures of where you mounted and how you did = it. I just put new pads and rotors on my 69 MGB GT. It still takes a = lot of effort to apply the brakes. =20 Mike MacLean 1969 MGB GT 1960 Austin Healey Sprite (Bugeye) 1956 Austin Healey BN2 Lemans conversion =20 = =20 Virusvrij. = www.avast.com=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D7BE6C.68EB1060 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sounds to me like the calipers = need to be rebuilt

 

From: Mgs = <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of = h.duinhoven@planet.nl
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 3:37 = AM
To: 'Michael MacLean' <springer.mike51@gmail.com>; = mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake = Booster

 

Depends to what car you compare = Michael.

My = 1971 also does not have a booster, but the brakes are working very well = and with good =E2=80=9Cfeeling=E2=80=9D.

Other parts of the brake system may = well contribute to the need of a firmer pressure than expected = like:

Brake = calliper pistons may be not moving freely

Master cylinder may in need of a = service =E2=80=93 overhaul

Brake pedal pivot point not working = well=E2=80=A6

 

Hans

71 BGT

 

Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net= > Namens Michael MacLean
Verzonden: zondag 10 = oktober 2021 21:48
Aan: mgs@autox.team.net
Onderwerp= : [Mgs] Brake Booster

 

Who has added a brake booster to their = MGB or MGB GT which initially did not have one?  Do you have = pictures of where you mounted and how you did it.  I just put new = pads and rotors on my 69 MGB GT.  It still takes a lot of effort to = apply the brakes.  

Mike = MacLean

1969 MGB GT

1960 Austin Healey Sprite = (Bugeye)

1956 Austin Healey BN2 Lemans = conversion

 

V= irusvrij. www.avast.com =

 

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Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1186240094947252786== --0000000000009647d805cee4f436 I've got no financial interest in this: https://www.reddit.com/r/MorrisGarages/comments/qd2sv3/selling_this_car_still_if_anyone_is_interested/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share --0000000000009647d805cee4f436 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --0000000000009647d805cee4f436-- --===============1186240094947252786== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1186240094947252786==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 23 11:05:43 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB830A0E74 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 11:05:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta7.epbfi.com (unknown [74.205.143.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06AD4A0B96 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 11:04:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cha-cop-prd-eml-mbs-004.epbfi.com ([74.205.143.181]) by cmsmtp with SMTP id eKRbm9lsKzzHieKRbmAaZm; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 13:04:31 -0400 a=pBWZ+AQVIXS6fcoE+ph7kw==:117 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=BsZyoNClW7AA:10 a=xSp0tUpTYbEA:10 a=DpYhtud0RP4pCaKNPcYA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=FZhTF9sdaUJyzMZn:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 13:04:31 -0400 (EDT) From: wkilleffer@epbfi.com To: mgs@autox.team.net Thread-Index: dYIYT5b5eROyx3DDS8SIwIX9VpDSYw== Thread-Topic: MGB rear brake questions Subject: [Mgs] MGB rear brake questions Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0525840341093222004== boundary="=_3d08cfaf-2a19-478e-b3a9-e0f7882cf9aa" --=_3d08cfaf-2a19-478e-b3a9-e0f7882cf9aa Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone, The car I'm working on is a 1974 MGB roadster. I decided that I wanted to replace everything relating to the brakes and their hydraulics except for the metal lines. I ordered the parts from Moss but had to sit on them for a couple of years before actually starting the project. So, I got the new master cylinder installed, which is probably one of the more challenging things I've ever done on the car. Next step was working on the rear brakes. The rubber hose in the back was pretty simple, but the issue is with the wheel cylinders. I replaced them maybe twenty years ago and didn't have any trouble. But these new ones have a roller pin on them that doesn't line up with the holes on the brake's backing plate. It's been too long to try and swap them with Moss, and I'm not sure that would do any good anyway because I don't recall that there were too many choices for that part. You could get a cheaper aftermarket or a more expensive part that may be made in England. I went with the cheaper one. Has this been an issue for anyone else? I could probably drill another hole in the back plate to match the roll pin, but that seems like one of those DPO solutions. Also, I don't feel like I should have to entertain such a notion anyway. The part should fit and function correctly. The current wheel cylinders are probably ok to re-use, but I liked the idea of all new parts. The front brakes are also on the agenda, but we're not there yet. The next question has to do with bleeding the rear brakes. I started to bleed the brake furthest from the MC using a vacuum tool I got at a well-known less expensive (think shipping at a port) tool store. It's been a letdown for several reasons, among them that the bleeders on the wheel cylinders seem too small for the bleeder fittings that came with the tool, which causes the tool to draw a great deal of air through its system. I seemed to barely be able to get any fluid through the system. The trouble I have is that I am single and live alone, so I don't have any readily available sources of help. If the brakes are going to be bled, I have to do them by myself. Does anyone have any advice on this topic? Thank you, -William 1974 MGB --=_3d08cfaf-2a19-478e-b3a9-e0f7882cf9aa Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello everyone,

The car I'm working on is a 1974 MGB roadster. I decided= that I wanted to replace everything relating to the brakes and their hydra= ulics except for the metal lines. I ordered the parts from Moss but had to = sit on them for a couple of years before actually starting the project.

So, I got the new master cylinde= r installed, which is probably one of the more challenging things I've ever= done on the car. Next step was working on the rear brakes. The rubber hose= in the back was pretty simple, but the issue is with the wheel cylinders. = I replaced them maybe twenty years ago and didn't have any trouble. But the= se new ones have a roller pin on them that doesn't line up with the holes o= n the brake's backing plate. It's been too long to try and swap them with M= oss, and I'm not sure that would do any good anyway because I don't recall = that there were too many choices for that part. You could get a cheaper aft= ermarket or a more expensive part that may be made in England. I went with = the cheaper one.

Has this bee= n an issue for anyone else? I could probably drill another hole in the back= plate to match the roll pin, but that seems like one of those DPO solution= s. Also, I don't feel like I should have to entertain such a notion anyway.= The part should fit and function correctly. The current wheel cylinders ar= e probably ok to re-use, but I liked the idea of all new parts. The front b= rakes are also on the agenda, but we're not there yet.

The next question has to do with bleeding the rea= r brakes. I started to bleed the brake furthest from the MC using a vacuum = tool I got at a well-known less expensive (think shipping at a port) tool s= tore. It's been a letdown for several reasons, among them that the bleeders= on the wheel cylinders seem too small for the bleeder fittings that came w= ith the tool, which causes the tool to draw a great deal of air through its= system. I seemed to barely be able to get any fluid through the system. Th= e trouble I have is that I am single and live alone, so I don't have any re= adily available sources of help. If the brakes are going to be bled, I have= to do them by myself. Does anyone have any advice on this topic?

Thank you,
-William
1974 MGB
--=_3d08cfaf-2a19-478e-b3a9-e0f7882cf9aa-- --===============0525840341093222004== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0525840341093222004==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 23 11:26:19 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3859AA0E82 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 11:26:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (unknown [64.142.111.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6300EA0C2F for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 11:23:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (172-5-155-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.5.155.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id 19NHNoIA002498 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Sat, 23 Oct 2021 10:23:50 -0700 From: Max Heim Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 10:23:50 -0700 To: Mga List References: <1329463002.116385690.1635008671327.JavaMail.zimbra@epbfi.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB rear brake questions Cc: wkilleffer@epbfi.com Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2101150713724877908== boundary="Apple-Mail=_E7563592-AE14-488B-B7D8-97D3658353FF" --Apple-Mail=_E7563592-AE14-488B-B7D8-97D3658353FF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I don't really have any answers, I can just confirm that wheel cylinders = are a part which has been =E2=80=9Cdown-qualitied=E2=80=9D to the point = that they are scarcely serviceable. The offshore manufacturers seem to = have settled on the tiniest possible bleeders, often with 7mm hexes =E2=80= =94 a size so small that it is not included in most wrench sets, and = which offers almost zero resistance to rounding. Next time I am going to try rebuilding the cylinders instead. If they = have been driven at all they usually don=E2=80=99t need honing =E2=80=94 = just new seals. As for the vacuum bleeder, I don=E2=80=99t know what the bleeder = fittings in your kit look like, but maybe you could just substitute a = different size hose? It has to seal well or it won=E2=80=99t work. In = the past I have cobbled up adapters using metal tubes, different sizes = of hose and hose clamps. Good luck. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Oct 23, 2021, at 10:04 AM, wkilleffer@epbfi.com wrote: >=20 > Hello everyone, >=20 > The car I'm working on is a 1974 MGB roadster. I decided that I wanted = to replace everything relating to the brakes and their hydraulics except = for the metal lines. I ordered the parts from Moss but had to sit on = them for a couple of years before actually starting the project. >=20 > So, I got the new master cylinder installed, which is probably one of = the more challenging things I've ever done on the car. Next step was = working on the rear brakes. The rubber hose in the back was pretty = simple, but the issue is with the wheel cylinders. I replaced them maybe = twenty years ago and didn't have any trouble. But these new ones have a = roller pin on them that doesn't line up with the holes on the brake's = backing plate. It's been too long to try and swap them with Moss, and = I'm not sure that would do any good anyway because I don't recall that = there were too many choices for that part. You could get a cheaper = aftermarket or a more expensive part that may be made in England. I went = with the cheaper one. >=20 > Has this been an issue for anyone else? I could probably drill another = hole in the back plate to match the roll pin, but that seems like one of = those DPO solutions. Also, I don't feel like I should have to entertain = such a notion anyway. The part should fit and function correctly. The = current wheel cylinders are probably ok to re-use, but I liked the idea = of all new parts. The front brakes are also on the agenda, but we're not = there yet. >=20 > The next question has to do with bleeding the rear brakes. I started = to bleed the brake furthest from the MC using a vacuum tool I got at a = well-known less expensive (think shipping at a port) tool store. It's = been a letdown for several reasons, among them that the bleeders on the = wheel cylinders seem too small for the bleeder fittings that came with = the tool, which causes the tool to draw a great deal of air through its = system. I seemed to barely be able to get any fluid through the system. = The trouble I have is that I am single and live alone, so I don't have = any readily available sources of help. If the brakes are going to be = bled, I have to do them by myself. Does anyone have any advice on this = topic? >=20 > Thank you, > -William > 1974 MGB > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net --Apple-Mail=_E7563592-AE14-488B-B7D8-97D3658353FF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I = don't really have any answers, I can just confirm that wheel cylinders = are a part which has been =E2=80=9Cdown-qualitied=E2=80=9D to the point = that they are scarcely serviceable. The offshore manufacturers seem to = have settled on the tiniest possible bleeders, often with 7mm hexes =E2=80= =94 a size so small that it is not included in most wrench sets, and = which offers almost zero resistance to rounding.

Next time I am going to try rebuilding = the cylinders instead. If they have been driven at all they usually = don=E2=80=99t need honing =E2=80=94 just new seals.

As for the vacuum = bleeder, I don=E2=80=99t know what the bleeder fittings in your kit look = like, but maybe you could just substitute a different size hose? It has = to seal well or it won=E2=80=99t work. In the past I have cobbled up = adapters using metal tubes, different sizes of hose and hose = clamps.

Good = luck.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

On Oct 23, 2021, at 10:04 AM, wkilleffer@epbfi.com = wrote:

Hello everyone,

The = car I'm working on is a 1974 MGB roadster. I decided that I wanted to = replace everything relating to the brakes and their hydraulics except = for the metal lines. I ordered the parts from Moss but had to sit on = them for a couple of years before actually starting the = project.

So, I got the new master cylinder = installed, which is probably one of the more challenging things I've = ever done on the car. Next step was working on the rear brakes. The = rubber hose in the back was pretty simple, but the issue is with the = wheel cylinders. I replaced them maybe twenty years ago and didn't have = any trouble. But these new ones have a roller pin on them that doesn't = line up with the holes on the brake's backing plate. It's been too long = to try and swap them with Moss, and I'm not sure that would do any good = anyway because I don't recall that there were too many choices for that = part. You could get a cheaper aftermarket or a more expensive part that = may be made in England. I went with the cheaper one.

Has = this been an issue for anyone else? I could probably drill another hole = in the back plate to match the roll pin, but that seems like one of = those DPO solutions. Also, I don't feel like I should have to entertain = such a notion anyway. The part should fit and function correctly. The = current wheel cylinders are probably ok to re-use, but I liked the idea = of all new parts. The front brakes are also on the agenda, but we're not = there yet.

The next question has to do with = bleeding the rear brakes. I started to bleed the brake furthest from the = MC using a vacuum tool I got at a well-known less expensive (think = shipping at a port) tool store. It's been a letdown for several reasons, = among them that the bleeders on the wheel cylinders seem too small for = the bleeder fittings that came with the tool, which causes the tool to = draw a great deal of air through its system. I seemed to barely be able = to get any fluid through the system. The trouble I have is that I am = single and live alone, so I don't have any readily available sources of = help. If the brakes are going to be bled, I have to do them by myself. = Does anyone have any advice on this topic?

Thank = you,
-William
1974 = MGB
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MGBs had rear cyli= nders to fit the Tourers and the GTs, different sizes of cylinders and diffe= rent back plates. The roll pins located the cylinders in the correct back= ing plates. Thus the questions arise: Tourer back plates and new GT cylinders?= GT backplates and new Tourer cylinders? Car modified before you got it? W= rong cylinders ordered/shipped? Having wrestled through this with my GT, it was years back and now I= do not recall which cylinders (size and pin location) are Tourer or GT. So= meone will know, though, and that challenge easily mastered. GT cylinders a= re larger, suited to the additional weight of GTs. If you have to swap part= s, do it the way MG built it=E2=80=94they got it right.=20 As you replaced them years ago, my bet is that the vendor shipped w= rong cylinders.=20 As to the bleeding, my experience has been that ordinary pedal push= ing has done fine for me on many cars, though I did install speed bleeders o= n this GT. They are an easy exchange and work OK, but the savings of 1/4 cu= p of brake fluid doing the job are hardly worthwhile. If the rear brakes a= re difficult to bleed, have a close look at the metal pipes on the axle. A c= ar that has been flat-bed carried may have had the straps wrapped around the= axle, crushing the tubes. That=E2=80=99s not an unusual thing to find. Since you are changing hoses, have you changed clutch hose? These b= reak down internally whilst appearing fine externally. As you do the change,= do it swiftly, w/o interruption, as introducing a bubble into the line is a= ltogether too easy, and bleeding the clutch line has made many an owner irat= e. Bob > On Oct 23, 2021, at 1:04 PM, wkilleffer@epbfi.com wrote: >=20 > Hello everyone, >=20 > The car I'm working on is a 1974 MGB roadster. I decided that I wanted to r= eplace everything relating to the brakes and their hydraulics except for the= metal lines. I ordered the parts from Moss but had to sit on them for a cou= ple of years before actually starting the project. >=20 > So, I got the new master cylinder installed, which is probably one of the m= ore challenging things I've ever done on the car. Next step was working on t= he rear brakes. The rubber hose in the back was pretty simple, but the issue= is with the wheel cylinders. I replaced them maybe twenty years ago and did= n't have any trouble. But these new ones have a roller pin on them that does= n't line up with the holes on the brake's backing plate. It's been too long t= o try and swap them with Moss, and I'm not sure that would do any good anywa= y because I don't recall that there were too many choices for that part. You= could get a cheaper aftermarket or a more expensive part that may be made i= n England. I went with the cheaper one. >=20 > Has this been an issue for anyone else? I could probably drill another hol= e in the back plate to match the roll pin, but that seems like one of those D= PO solutions. Also, I don't feel like I should have to entertain such a noti= on anyway. The part should fit and function correctly. The current wheel cyl= inders are probably ok to re-use, but I liked the idea of all new parts. The= front brakes are also on the agenda, but we're not there yet. >=20 > The next question has to do with bleeding the rear brakes. I started to bl= eed the brake furthest from the MC using a vacuum tool I got at a well-known= less expensive (think shipping at a port) tool store. It's been a letdown f= or several reasons, among them that the bleeders on the wheel cylinders seem= too small for the bleeder fittings that came with the tool, which causes th= e tool to draw a great deal of air through its system. I seemed to barely be= able to get any fluid through the system. The trouble I have is that I am s= ingle and live alone, so I don't have any readily available sources of help.= If the brakes are going to be bled, I have to do them by myself. Does anyon= e have any advice on this topic? >=20 > Thank you, > -William > 1974 MGB > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com --Apple-Mail-68C5CDB2-A3D6-48CC-9904-848FE8324552 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The rear-bra= ke question opens more questions.    MGBs had rear cylinders to fi= t the Tourers and the GTs, different sizes of cylinders and different back p= lates.    The roll pins located the cylinders in the correct backi= ng plates.
Thus the questions arise:  Tourer back plates a= nd new GT cylinders? GT backplates and new Tourer cylinders?  Car modif= ied before you got it?  Wrong cylinders ordered/shipped?
Havi= ng wrestled through this with my GT, it was years back and now I do not reca= ll which cylinders (size and pin location) are Tourer or GT.  Someone w= ill know, though, and that challenge easily mastered.   GT cylinders ar= e larger, suited to the additional weight of GTs.  If you have to swap p= arts, do it the way MG built it=E2=80=94they got it right. 
As you replaced them years ago, my bet is that the vendor shipped wrong c= ylinders. 
As to the bleeding, my experience has been t= hat ordinary pedal pushing has done fine for me on many cars, though I did i= nstall speed bleeders on this GT.  They are an easy exchange and work O= K, but the savings of 1/4 cup of brake fluid doing the job are hardly worthw= hile.   If the rear brakes are difficult to bleed, have a close look at= the metal pipes on the axle.  A car that has been flat-bed carried may= have had the straps wrapped around the axle, crushing the tubes.  That= =E2=80=99s not an unusual thing to find.
Since you are changi= ng hoses, have you changed clutch hose?  These break down internally wh= ilst appearing fine externally. As you do the change, do it swiftly, w/o int= erruption, as introducing a bubble into the line is altogether too easy, and= bleeding the clutch line has made many an owner irate.
Bob


On Oct 23, 2021, a= t 1:04 PM, wkilleffer@epbfi.com w= rote:

=
Hello everyone,

The car I= 'm working on is a 1974 MGB roadster. I decided that I wanted to replace eve= rything relating to the brakes and their hydraulics except for the metal lin= es. I ordered the parts from Moss but had to sit on them for a couple of yea= rs before actually starting the project.

=
So, I got the new master cylinder installed, which is probably on= e of the more challenging things I've ever done on the car. Next step was wo= rking on the rear brakes. The rubber hose in the back was pretty simple, but= the issue is with the wheel cylinders. I replaced them maybe twenty years a= go and didn't have any trouble. But these new ones have a roller pin on them= that doesn't line up with the holes on the brake's backing plate. It's been= too long to try and swap them with Moss, and I'm not sure that would do any= good anyway because I don't recall that there were too many choices for tha= t part. You could get a cheaper aftermarket or a more expensive part that ma= y be made in England. I went with the cheaper one.

Has this been an issue for anyone else? I could probabl= y drill another hole in the back plate to match the roll pin, but that seems= like one of those DPO solutions. Also, I don't feel like I should have to e= ntertain such a notion anyway. The part should fit and function correctly. T= he current wheel cylinders are probably ok to re-use, but I liked the idea o= f all new parts. The front brakes are also on the agenda, but we're not ther= e yet.

The next question has t= o do with bleeding the rear brakes. I started to bleed the brake furthest fr= om the MC using a vacuum tool I got at a well-known less expensive (think sh= ipping at a port) tool store. It's been a letdown for several reasons, among= them that the bleeders on the wheel cylinders seem too small for the bleede= r fittings that came with the tool, which causes the tool to draw a great de= al of air through its system. I seemed to barely be able to get any fluid th= rough the system. The trouble I have is that I am single and live alone, so I= don't have any readily available sources of help. If the brakes are going t= o be bled, I have to do them by myself. Does anyone have any advice on this t= opic?

Thank you,
-Wi= lliam
1974 MGB
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= --Apple-Mail-68C5CDB2-A3D6-48CC-9904-848FE8324552-- --===============5522086544384587457== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============5522086544384587457==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 23 11:55:26 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21643A0EDC for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 11:55:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta5.epbfi.com (unknown [74.205.143.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E5AA0DC0 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 11:44:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cha-cop-prd-eml-mbs-004.epbfi.com ([74.205.143.181]) by cmsmtp with SMTP id eL4dmgYVaWorGeL4dmJWQ0; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 13:44:51 -0400 a=pBWZ+AQVIXS6fcoE+ph7kw==:117 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=BsZyoNClW7AA:10 a=xSp0tUpTYbEA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=mgOi33abAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=AySH6LKTZOnpXPuF6rsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=lPuByK9G5xKzhAKT:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=Ue-LiyUTsOFXyL1nF22l:22 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 13:44:51 -0400 (EDT) From: wkilleffer@epbfi.com To: Robert's New iPad Thread-Topic: MGB rear brake questions Thread-Index: IXQBJYdROysh1WlHiZ0/BKZY61wLAQ== Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB rear brake questions Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5075510138043056192== boundary="=_bf974d19-6eda-4440-9c08-f9232d10967c" --=_bf974d19-6eda-4440-9c08-f9232d10967c Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for your reply.=20 As far as the type of wheel cylinders, I don't recall that there was a choi= ce as to whether they were for a GT or a roadster. The only choice was eith= er Lockheed brand (maybe) for more $, or an aftermarket for less $. As far = as I know, the back plates are original, but I've only owned the car for 20= years. Its engine is not original, so who knows what else could have been = swapped.=20 Can you shed more light on the whole speed bleeder thing? And how do do ped= al pumping bleeding when you're by yourself?=20 The fluid is making its way back to the wheel cylinder, so no lines are cri= mped. But thanks to the poor fitment of the bleeder thing with the tool, I = can't tell if the air bubbles are coming through the brake lines or are air= being drawn into the bleeder because the fitment isn't good.=20 Yes, I did the clutch system a couple or three years ago. It was a bit frus= trating, but seems ok now.=20 Thank you,=20 -William=20 From: "Robert's New iPad" =20 To: wkilleffer@epbfi.com=20 Cc: mgs@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2021 1:36:03 PM=20 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB rear brake questions=20 The rear-brake question opens more questions. MGBs had rear cylinders to fi= t the Tourers and the GTs, different sizes of cylinders and different back = plates. The roll pins located the cylinders in the correct backing plates.= =20 Thus the questions arise: Tourer back plates and new GT cylinders? GT backp= lates and new Tourer cylinders? Car modified before you got it? Wrong cylin= ders ordered/shipped?=20 Having wrestled through this with my GT, it was years back and now I do not= recall which cylinders (size and pin location) are Tourer or GT. Someone w= ill know, though, and that challenge easily mastered. GT cylinders are larg= er, suited to the additional weight of GTs. If you have to swap parts, do i= t the way MG built it=E2=80=94they got it right.=20 As you replaced them years ago, my bet is that the vendor shipped wrong cyl= inders.=20 As to the bleeding, my experience has been that ordinary pedal pushing has = done fine for me on many cars, though I did install speed bleeders on this = GT. They are an easy exchange and work OK, but the savings of 1/4 cup of br= ake fluid doing the job are hardly worthwhile. If the rear brakes are diffi= cult to bleed, have a close look at the metal pipes on the axle. A car that= has been flat-bed carried may have had the straps wrapped around the axle,= crushing the tubes. That=E2=80=99s not an unusual thing to find.=20 Since you are changing hoses, have you changed clutch hose? These break dow= n internally whilst appearing fine externally. As you do the change, do it = swiftly, w/o interruption, as introducing a bubble into the line is altoget= her too easy, and bleeding the clutch line has made many an owner irate.=20 Bob=20 On Oct 23, 2021, at 1:04 PM, [ mailto:wkilleffer@epbfi.com | wkilleffer@epb= fi.com ] wrote:=20 Hello everyone,=20 The car I'm working on is a 1974 MGB roadster. I decided that I wanted to r= eplace everything relating to the brakes and their hydraulics except for th= e metal lines. I ordered the parts from Moss but had to sit on them for a c= ouple of years before actually starting the project.=20 So, I got the new master cylinder installed, which is probably one of the m= ore challenging things I've ever done on the car. Next step was working on = the rear brakes. The rubber hose in the back was pretty simple, but the iss= ue is with the wheel cylinders. I replaced them maybe twenty years ago and = didn't have any trouble. But these new ones have a roller pin on them that = doesn't line up with the holes on the brake's backing plate. It's been too = long to try and swap them with Moss, and I'm not sure that would do any goo= d anyway because I don't recall that there were too many choices for that p= art. You could get a cheaper aftermarket or a more expensive part that may = be made in England. I went with the cheaper one.=20 Has this been an issue for anyone else? I could probably drill another hole= in the back plate to match the roll pin, but that seems like one of those = DPO solutions. Also, I don't feel like I should have to entertain such a no= tion anyway. The part should fit and function correctly. The current wheel = cylinders are probably ok to re-use, but I liked the idea of all new parts.= The front brakes are also on the agenda, but we're not there yet.=20 The next question has to do with bleeding the rear brakes. I started to ble= ed the brake furthest from the MC using a vacuum tool I got at a well-known= less expensive (think shipping at a port) tool store. It's been a letdown = for several reasons, among them that the bleeders on the wheel cylinders se= em too small for the bleeder fittings that came with the tool, which causes= the tool to draw a great deal of air through its system. I seemed to barel= y be able to get any fluid through the system. The trouble I have is that I= am single and live alone, so I don't have any readily available sources of= help. If the brakes are going to be bled, I have to do them by myself. Doe= s anyone have any advice on this topic?=20 Thank you,=20 -William=20 1974 MGB=20 BQ_BEGIN _______________________________________________=20 [ mailto:Mgs@autox.team.net | Mgs@autox.team.net ]=20 ]=20 Archive: [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs | http://www.team.net/pipermai= l/mgs ] [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ]= =20 Unsubscribe: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com |= http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com ]=20 BQ_END --=_bf974d19-6eda-4440-9c08-f9232d10967c Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you for your reply.
As far = as the type of wheel cylinders, I don't recall that there was a choice as t= o whether they were for a GT or a roadster. The only choice was either Lock= heed brand (maybe) for more $, or an aftermarket for less $. As far as I kn= ow, the back plates are original, but I've only owned the car for 20 years.= Its engine is not original, so who knows what else could have been swapped= . 
Can you shed more light on the whole speed bleeder thing?= And how do do pedal pumping bleeding when you're by yourself?
Th= e fluid is making its way back to the wheel cylinder, so no lines are crimp= ed. But thanks to the poor fitment of the bleeder thing with the tool, I ca= n't tell if the air bubbles are coming through the brake lines or are air b= eing drawn into the bleeder because the fitment isn't good. 
Yes, I did the clutch system a couple or three years ago. It was a bit fru= strating, but seems ok now.

T= hank you,
-William

From: "Robert's = New iPad" <mgbobh@gmail.com>
To: wkilleffer@epbfi.com
Cc: mgs@autox.team.net
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2021 1:36= :03 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB rear brake questions
=
=09The rear-brake question opens more questions.    MGBs had rea= r cylinders to fit the Tourers and the GTs, different sizes of cylinders an= d different back plates.    The roll pins located the cylinders i= n the correct backing plates.
=09Thus the questions arise:  = ;Tourer back plates and new GT cylinders? GT backplates and new Tourer cyli= nders?  Car modified before you got it?  Wrong cylinders ordered/= shipped?
=09Having wrestled through this with my GT, it was year= s back and now I do not recall which cylinders (size and pin location) are = Tourer or GT.  Someone will know, though, and that challenge easily ma= stered.   GT cylinders are larger, suited to the additional weight of = GTs.  If you have to swap parts, do it the way MG built it=E2=80=94the= y got it right. 
=09As you replaced them years ago, my bet = is that the vendor shipped wrong cylinders. 
=09As to the b= leeding, my experience has been that ordinary pedal pushing has done fine f= or me on many cars, though I did install speed bleeders on this GT.  T= hey are an easy exchange and work OK, but the savings of 1/4 cup of brake f= luid doing the job are hardly worthwhile.   If the rear brakes are dif= ficult to bleed, have a close look at the metal pipes on the axle.  A = car that has been flat-bed carried may have had the straps wrapped around t= he axle, crushing the tubes.  That=E2=80=99s not an unusual thing to f= ind.
=09Since you are changing hoses, have you changed clutch ho= se?  These break down internally whilst appearing fine externally. As = you do the change, do it swiftly, w/o interruption, as introducing a bubble= into the line is altogether too easy, and bleeding the clutch line has mad= e many an owner irate.
Bob

=

On Oct 23, 2021, at 1:04 PM, wkilleffer@epbfi.com wrote:

=
Hello everyone,

The car I'm working on i= s a 1974 MGB roadster. I decided that I wanted to replace everything relati= ng to the brakes and their hydraulics except for the metal lines. I ordered= the parts from Moss but had to sit on them for a couple of years before ac= tually starting the project.

So, I got the new master cylinde= r installed, which is probably one of the more challenging things I've ever= done on the car. Next step was working on the rear brakes. The rubber hose= in the back was pretty simple, but the issue is with the wheel cylinders. = I replaced them maybe twenty years ago and didn't have any trouble. But the= se new ones have a roller pin on them that doesn't line up with the holes o= n the brake's backing plate. It's been too long to try and swap them with M= oss, and I'm not sure that would do any good anyway because I don't recall = that there were too many choices for that part. You could get a cheaper aft= ermarket or a more expensive part that may be made in England. I went with = the cheaper one.

Has this been an issue for anyone else? I co= uld probably drill another hole in the back plate to match the roll pin, bu= t that seems like one of those DPO solutions. Also, I don't feel like I sho= uld have to entertain such a notion anyway. The part should fit and functio= n correctly. The current wheel cylinders are probably ok to re-use, but I l= iked the idea of all new parts. The front brakes are also on the agenda, bu= t we're not there yet.

The next question has to do with bleed= ing the rear brakes. I started to bleed the brake furthest from the MC usin= g a vacuum tool I got at a well-known less expensive (think shipping at a p= ort) tool store. It's been a letdown for several reasons, among them that t= he bleeders on the wheel cylinders seem too small for the bleeder fittings = that came with the tool, which causes the tool to draw a great deal of air = through its system. I seemed to barely be able to get any fluid through the= system. The trouble I have is that I am single and live alone, so I don't = have any readily available sources of help. If the brakes are going to be b= led, I have to do them by myself. Does anyone have any advice on this topic= ?

Thank you,
-William
1974 MGB
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--=_bf974d19-6eda-4440-9c08-f9232d10967c-- --===============5075510138043056192== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============5075510138043056192==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 23 12:34:06 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C355A0B20 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 12:34:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from omta014.useast.a.cloudfilter.net (unknown [34.195.253.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC6EA085E for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 12:33:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cxr.smtp.a.cloudfilter.net ([10.0.17.147]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id eGBkmvx9i0JdGeLq6m1iFs; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 18:33:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.12] ([72.197.148.81]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id eLq3mCPKPIIrdeLq5mVfx1; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 18:33:54 +0000 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=stargazer1@cox.net a=jolZcDUF0YFZvyvaEJUHtg==:117 a=jolZcDUF0YFZvyvaEJUHtg==:17 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=mgOi33abAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=K-3hPtbhTN7XVL1efwkA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=GMmCLNuKa5UXrEM2W9cA:9 a=09Us8tpMOSuVSFI9:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=Ue-LiyUTsOFXyL1nF22l:22 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=qrIFiuKZe2vaD64auk6j:22 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 11:33:50 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.2.1 Content-Language: en-US To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <1031194420.116434484.1635011091394.JavaMail.zimbra@epbfi.com> From: David Ambrose gAP9qbEHja082KH9EI0wD9GvOXkcYkP86JXxYKGOtMINPOiahbkIUZGf0s9Vj5+YyHjUbgc5OKTFTw== Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB rear brake questions Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============4770740357916922457== boundary="------------QS5biWdOJ7hDR9htqR7CylA3" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------QS5biWdOJ7hDR9htqR7CylA3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You have the wrong wheel cylinders. The GTs have a different (larger) rear brake cylinder than the roadsters. The roll pins are in different locations to prevent them from inadvertently getting swapped. I don't think you want to use the GT cylinders on a roadster as it would put too much braking in the rear which will make the car very tail happy under emergency braking. Cheers, Dave On 10/23/2021 10:44 AM, wkilleffer@epbfi.com wrote: > Thank you for your reply. > As far as the type of wheel cylinders, I don't recall that there was a > choice as to whether they were for a GT or a roadster. The only choice > was either Lockheed brand (maybe) for more $, or an aftermarket for > less $. As far as I know, the back plates are original, but I've only > owned the car for 20 years. Its engine is not original, so who knows > what else could have been swapped. > Can you shed more light on the whole speed bleeder thing? And how do > do pedal pumping bleeding when you're by yourself? > The fluid is making its way back to the wheel cylinder, so no lines > are crimped. But thanks to the poor fitment of the bleeder thing with > the tool, I can't tell if the air bubbles are coming through the brake > lines or are air being drawn into the bleeder because the fitment > isn't good. > Yes, I did the clutch system a couple or three years ago. It was a bit > frustrating, but seems ok now. > > Thank you, > -William > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: *"Robert's New iPad" > *To: *wkilleffer@epbfi.com > *Cc: *mgs@autox.team.net > *Sent: *Saturday, October 23, 2021 1:36:03 PM > *Subject: *Re: [Mgs] MGB rear brake questions > > The rear-brake question opens more questions.    MGBs had rear > cylinders to fit the Tourers and the GTs, different sizes of cylinders > and different back plates.    The roll pins located the cylinders in > the correct backing plates. > Thus the questions arise:  Tourer back plates and new GT cylinders? GT > backplates and new Tourer cylinders?  Car modified before you got it? >  Wrong cylinders ordered/shipped? > Having wrestled through this with my GT, it was years back and now I > do not recall which cylinders (size and pin location) are Tourer or > GT.  Someone will know, though, and that challenge easily mastered.   > GT cylinders are larger, suited to the additional weight of GTs.  If > you have to swap parts, do it the way MG built it—they got it right. > As you replaced them years ago, my bet is that the vendor shipped > wrong cylinders. > As to the bleeding, my experience has been that ordinary pedal pushing > has done fine for me on many cars, though I did install speed bleeders > on this GT.  They are an easy exchange and work OK, but the savings of > 1/4 cup of brake fluid doing the job are hardly worthwhile.   If the > rear brakes are difficult to bleed, have a close look at the metal > pipes on the axle.  A car that has been flat-bed carried may have had > the straps wrapped around the axle, crushing the tubes.  That’s not an > unusual thing to find. > Since you are changing hoses, have you changed clutch hose?  These > break down internally whilst appearing fine externally. As you do the > change, do it swiftly, w/o interruption, as introducing a bubble into > the line is altogether too easy, and bleeding the clutch line has made > many an owner irate. > Bob > > > On Oct 23, 2021, at 1:04 PM, wkilleffer@epbfi.com wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > The car I'm working on is a 1974 MGB roadster. I decided that I > wanted to replace everything relating to the brakes and their > hydraulics except for the metal lines. I ordered the parts from > Moss but had to sit on them for a couple of years before actually > starting the project. > > So, I got the new master cylinder installed, which is probably one > of the more challenging things I've ever done on the car. Next > step was working on the rear brakes. The rubber hose in the back > was pretty simple, but the issue is with the wheel cylinders. I > replaced them maybe twenty years ago and didn't have any trouble. > But these new ones have a roller pin on them that doesn't line up > with the holes on the brake's backing plate. It's been too long to > try and swap them with Moss, and I'm not sure that would do any > good anyway because I don't recall that there were too many > choices for that part. You could get a cheaper aftermarket or a > more expensive part that may be made in England. I went with the > cheaper one. > > Has this been an issue for anyone else? I could probably drill > another hole in the back plate to match the roll pin, but that > seems like one of those DPO solutions. Also, I don't feel like I > should have to entertain such a notion anyway. The part should fit > and function correctly. The current wheel cylinders are probably > ok to re-use, but I liked the idea of all new parts. The front > brakes are also on the agenda, but we're not there yet. > > The next question has to do with bleeding the rear brakes. I > started to bleed the brake furthest from the MC using a vacuum > tool I got at a well-known less expensive (think shipping at a > port) tool store. It's been a letdown for several reasons, among > them that the bleeders on the wheel cylinders seem too small for > the bleeder fittings that came with the tool, which causes the > tool to draw a great deal of air through its system. I seemed to > barely be able to get any fluid through the system. The trouble I > have is that I am single and live alone, so I don't have any > readily available sources of help. If the brakes are going to be > bled, I have to do them by myself. Does anyone have any advice on > this topic? > > Thank you, > -William > 1974 MGB > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation  $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/stargazer1@cox.net --------------QS5biWdOJ7hDR9htqR7CylA3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

You have the wrong wheel cylinders. The GTs have a different (larger) rear brake cylinder than the roadsters. The roll pins are in different locations to prevent them from inadvertently getting swapped. I don't think you want to use the GT cylinders on a roadster as it would put too much braking in the rear which will make the car very tail happy under emergency braking.

Cheers,
Dave

On 10/23/2021 10:44 AM, wkilleffer@epbfi.com wrote:
Thank you for your reply.
As far as the type of wheel cylinders, I don't recall that there was a choice as to whether they were for a GT or a roadster. The only choice was either Lockheed brand (maybe) for more $, or an aftermarket for less $. As far as I know, the back plates are original, but I've only owned the car for 20 years. Its engine is not original, so who knows what else could have been swapped. 
Can you shed more light on the whole speed bleeder thing? And how do do pedal pumping bleeding when you're by yourself?
The fluid is making its way back to the wheel cylinder, so no lines are crimped. But thanks to the poor fitment of the bleeder thing with the tool, I can't tell if the air bubbles are coming through the brake lines or are air being drawn into the bleeder because the fitment isn't good. 
Yes, I did the clutch system a couple or three years ago. It was a bit frustrating, but seems ok now.

Thank you,
-William

From: "Robert's New iPad" <mgbobh@gmail.com>
To: wkilleffer@epbfi.com
Cc: mgs@autox.team.net
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2021 1:36:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB rear brake questions

The rear-brake question opens more questions.    MGBs had rear cylinders to fit the Tourers and the GTs, different sizes of cylinders and different back plates.    The roll pins located the cylinders in the correct backing plates.
Thus the questions arise:  Tourer back plates and new GT cylinders? GT backplates and new Tourer cylinders?  Car modified before you got it?  Wrong cylinders ordered/shipped?
Having wrestled through this with my GT, it was years back and now I do not recall which cylinders (size and pin location) are Tourer or GT.  Someone will know, though, and that challenge easily mastered.   GT cylinders are larger, suited to the additional weight of GTs.  If you have to swap parts, do it the way MG built it—they got it right. 
As you replaced them years ago, my bet is that the vendor shipped wrong cylinders. 
As to the bleeding, my experience has been that ordinary pedal pushing has done fine for me on many cars, though I did install speed bleeders on this GT.  They are an easy exchange and work OK, but the savings of 1/4 cup of brake fluid doing the job are hardly worthwhile.   If the rear brakes are difficult to bleed, have a close look at the metal pipes on the axle.  A car that has been flat-bed carried may have had the straps wrapped around the axle, crushing the tubes.  That’s not an unusual thing to find.
Since you are changing hoses, have you changed clutch hose?  These break down internally whilst appearing fine externally. As you do the change, do it swiftly, w/o interruption, as introducing a bubble into the line is altogether too easy, and bleeding the clutch line has made many an owner irate.
Bob


On Oct 23, 2021, at 1:04 PM, wkilleffer@epbfi.com wrote:

Hello everyone,

The car I'm working on is a 1974 MGB roadster. I decided that I wanted to replace everything relating to the brakes and their hydraulics except for the metal lines. I ordered the parts from Moss but had to sit on them for a couple of years before actually starting the project.

So, I got the new master cylinder installed, which is probably one of the more challenging things I've ever done on the car. Next step was working on the rear brakes. The rubber hose in the back was pretty simple, but the issue is with the wheel cylinders. I replaced them maybe twenty years ago and didn't have any trouble. But these new ones have a roller pin on them that doesn't line up with the holes on the brake's backing plate. It's been too long to try and swap them with Moss, and I'm not sure that would do any good anyway because I don't recall that there were too many choices for that part. You could get a cheaper aftermarket or a more expensive part that may be made in England. I went with the cheaper one.

Has this been an issue for anyone else? I could probably drill another hole in the back plate to match the roll pin, but that seems like one of those DPO solutions. Also, I don't feel like I should have to entertain such a notion anyway. The part should fit and function correctly. The current wheel cylinders are probably ok to re-use, but I liked the idea of all new parts. The front brakes are also on the agenda, but we're not there yet.

The next question has to do with bleeding the rear brakes. I started to bleed the brake furthest from the MC using a vacuum tool I got at a well-known less expensive (think shipping at a port) tool store. It's been a letdown for several reasons, among them that the bleeders on the wheel cylinders seem too small for the bleeder fittings that came with the tool, which causes the tool to draw a great deal of air through its system. I seemed to barely be able to get any fluid through the system. The trouble I have is that I am single and live alone, so I don't have any readily available sources of help. If the brakes are going to be bled, I have to do them by myself. Does anyone have any advice on this topic?

Thank you,
-William
1974 MGB
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Much of their stock is Moss, but often t= hey have other suppliers=E2=80=99 products, and everything they offer is goo= d stuff. Disclosure=E2=80=94Ed and Martin are friends, supporters of CT MG= Club, active drivers, and AS is 15 miles from here. If you did not specify GT wheel cylinders last time, I=E2=80=99m su= re that supplier sent you Tourer cylinders, which are the ones you want. Ri= ng up Abingdon on Monday and get the ones you need. If you are holding the w= rong ones in your hand, they can confirm what it is you have. =20 Had a previous owner switched back plates to GT and used GT cylinde= rs, you may have experienced premature rear-wheel lockup. It=E2=80=99s not a= n iffy thing=E2=80=94-you know when it happens, and it=E2=80=99s not a good e= xperience.=20 Have a look at speed bleeder site. I am ambivalent about the thing= s, though my friends love them. Seems to me you still have to put a bleed h= ose on the bleeder and watch the fluid coming out. The thing that=E2=80=99= s good about them is that they shut when pressure on the pedal is released, s= o they don=E2=80=99t suck air. When done, you snug them gently as you would= regular bleeders. =20 I was working today on a Triumph Super Nine brakes, in my garage. T= he Mighty Vac didn=E2=80=99t seem all that mighty. We resorted to pedal pres= sure, which worked better, but not great. These 1932 Lockheed brakes (on an= English car, no less) are similar to our MGB rear brakes, but different in d= etail. Cast aluminium shoes, for one, shoes linked at the bottom, not pivoti= ng. The adjuster pushes the shoes apart near the top, where the double-side c= ylinder expands. The bleed screw is minuscule, with a pin-hole orifice, and i= t screws into an adapter that goes into the cylinders, adapter with two pin-= hole orifices. Behind the adapter is a ball bearing. Huh? We are cautious= ly learning as we go, among other things learning that a tiny piece of rust b= locks those fluid passages. Master Cylinder is just back from White Post, s= o it should be the one thing in the system that we can count on being right.= Look up Triumph Super Nine in Wikipedia. This is the blue car with black= wings that is in the photo. It may be the only one in USA. Owner has dili= gently scanned the internet for anything pertaining to the car. All the fact= ory publications went up in smoke one night in 1940. =20 Happy to read that the evil clutch work is done. Brakes are a dodd= le after that. Bob > On Oct 23, 2021, at 1:44 PM, wkilleffer@epbfi.com wrote: >=20 > Thank you for your reply. > As far as the type of wheel cylinders, I don't recall that there was a cho= ice as to whether they were for a GT or a roadster. The only choice was eith= er Lockheed brand (maybe) for more $, or an aftermarket for less $. As far a= s I know, the back plates are original, but I've only owned the car for 20 y= ears. Its engine is not original, so who knows what else could have been swa= pped.=20 > Can you shed more light on the whole speed bleeder thing? And how do do pe= dal pumping bleeding when you're by yourself? > The fluid is making its way back to the wheel cylinder, so no lines are cr= imped. But thanks to the poor fitment of the bleeder thing with the tool, I c= an't tell if the air bubbles are coming through the brake lines or are air b= eing drawn into the bleeder because the fitment isn't good.=20 > Yes, I did the clutch system a couple or three years ago. It was a bit fru= strating, but seems ok now. >=20 > Thank you, > -William >=20 > From: "Robert's New iPad" > To: wkilleffer@epbfi.com > Cc: mgs@autox.team.net > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2021 1:36:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB rear brake questions >=20 > The rear-brake question opens more questions. MGBs had rear cyli= nders to fit the Tourers and the GTs, different sizes of cylinders and diffe= rent back plates. The roll pins located the cylinders in the correct back= ing plates. > Thus the questions arise: Tourer back plates and new GT cylinders?= GT backplates and new Tourer cylinders? Car modified before you got it? W= rong cylinders ordered/shipped? > Having wrestled through this with my GT, it was years back and now I= do not recall which cylinders (size and pin location) are Tourer or GT. So= meone will know, though, and that challenge easily mastered. GT cylinders a= re larger, suited to the additional weight of GTs. If you have to swap part= s, do it the way MG built it=E2=80=94they got it right.=20 > As you replaced them years ago, my bet is that the vendor shipped w= rong cylinders.=20 > As to the bleeding, my experience has been that ordinary pedal push= ing has done fine for me on many cars, though I did install speed bleeders o= n this GT. They are an easy exchange and work OK, but the savings of 1/4 cu= p of brake fluid doing the job are hardly worthwhile. If the rear brakes a= re difficult to bleed, have a close look at the metal pipes on the axle. A c= ar that has been flat-bed carried may have had the straps wrapped around the= axle, crushing the tubes. That=E2=80=99s not an unusual thing to find. > Since you are changing hoses, have you changed clutch hose? These b= reak down internally whilst appearing fine externally. As you do the change,= do it swiftly, w/o interruption, as introducing a bubble into the line is a= ltogether too easy, and bleeding the clutch line has made many an owner irat= e. > Bob >=20 >=20 > On Oct 23, 2021, at 1:04 PM, wkilleffer@epbfi.com wrote: >=20 > Hello everyone, >=20 > The car I'm working on is a 1974 MGB roadster. I decided that I wanted to r= eplace everything relating to the brakes and their hydraulics except for the= metal lines. I ordered the parts from Moss but had to sit on them for a cou= ple of years before actually starting the project. >=20 > So, I got the new master cylinder installed, which is probably one of the m= ore challenging things I've ever done on the car. Next step was working on t= he rear brakes. The rubber hose in the back was pretty simple, but the issue= is with the wheel cylinders. I replaced them maybe twenty years ago and did= n't have any trouble. But these new ones have a roller pin on them that does= n't line up with the holes on the brake's backing plate. It's been too long t= o try and swap them with Moss, and I'm not sure that would do any good anywa= y because I don't recall that there were too many choices for that part. You= could get a cheaper aftermarket or a more expensive part that may be made i= n England. I went with the cheaper one. >=20 > Has this been an issue for anyone else? I could probably drill another hol= e in the back plate to match the roll pin, but that seems like one of those D= PO solutions. Also, I don't feel like I should have to entertain such a noti= on anyway. The part should fit and function correctly. The current wheel cyl= inders are probably ok to re-use, but I liked the idea of all new parts. The= front brakes are also on the agenda, but we're not there yet. >=20 > The next question has to do with bleeding the rear brakes. I started to bl= eed the brake furthest from the MC using a vacuum tool I got at a well-known= less expensive (think shipping at a port) tool store. It's been a letdown f= or several reasons, among them that the bleeders on the wheel cylinders seem= too small for the bleeder fittings that came with the tool, which causes th= e tool to draw a great deal of air through its system. I seemed to barely be= able to get any fluid through the system. The trouble I have is that I am s= ingle and live alone, so I don't have any readily available sources of help.= If the brakes are going to be bled, I have to do them by myself. Does anyon= e have any advice on this topic? >=20 > Thank you, > -William > 1974 MGB > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com >=20 --Apple-Mail-F5628109-8F93-4696-AE6D-04119A9FB398 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi W= illiam,
Check out Abingdon Spares.  Much of their stock= is Moss, but often they have other suppliers=E2=80=99 products, and everyth= ing they offer is good stuff.   Disclosure=E2=80=94Ed and Martin are fr= iends, supporters of CT MG Club, active drivers, and AS is 15 miles from her= e.
If you did not specify GT wheel cylinders last time, I=E2=80= =99m sure that supplier sent you Tourer cylinders, which are the ones you wa= nt.  Ring up Abingdon on Monday and get the ones you need. If you are h= olding the wrong ones in your hand, they can confirm what it is you have. &n= bsp;
Had a previous owner switched back plates to GT and u= sed GT cylinders, you may have experienced premature rear-wheel lockup. &nbs= p;It=E2=80=99s not an iffy thing=E2=80=94-you know when it happens, and it=E2= =80=99s not a good experience. 
Have a look at speed= bleeder site.  I am ambivalent about the things, though my friends lov= e them.  Seems to me you still have to put a bleed hose on the bleeder a= nd watch the fluid coming out.   The thing that=E2=80=99s good about th= em is that they shut when pressure on the pedal is released, so they don=E2=80= =99t suck air.  When done, you snug them gently as you would regular bl= eeders.  
I was working today on a Triumph Super Nine b= rakes, in my garage.  The Mighty Vac didn=E2=80=99t seem all that might= y. We resorted to pedal pressure, which worked better, but not great.  = These 1932 Lockheed brakes (on an English car, no less) are similar to our M= GB rear brakes, but different in detail. Cast aluminium shoes, for one, shoe= s linked at the bottom, not pivoting. The adjuster pushes the shoes apart ne= ar the top, where the double-side cylinder expands. The bleed screw is minus= cule, with a pin-hole orifice, and it screws into an adapter that goes into t= he cylinders, adapter with two pin-hole orifices. Behind the adapter is a ba= ll bearing. Huh?    We are cautiously learning as we go, among oth= er things learning that a tiny piece of rust blocks those fluid passages. &n= bsp;Master Cylinder is just back from White Post, so it should be the one th= ing in the system that we can count on being right.   Look up Triumph S= uper Nine in Wikipedia.  This is the blue car with black wings that is i= n the photo.  It may be the only one in USA.  Owner has diligently= scanned the internet for anything pertaining to the car. All the factory pu= blications went up in smoke one night in 1940.  
= Happ= y to read that the evil clutch work is done.  Brakes are a doddle after= that.
Bob


On Oct 23, 2021, at 1:44 PM, wkilleffer@epbfi.com wrote:

Thank you for your reply.
As far= as the type of wheel cylinders, I don't recall that there was a choice as t= o whether they were for a GT or a roadster. The only choice was either Lockh= eed brand (maybe) for more $, or an aftermarket for less $. As far as I know= , the back plates are original, but I've only owned the car for 20 years. It= s engine is not original, so who knows what else could have been swapped.&nb= sp;
Can you shed more light on the whole speed bleeder thing? And h= ow do do pedal pumping bleeding when you're by yourself?
The fluid= is making its way back to the wheel cylinder, so no lines are crimped. But t= hanks to the poor fitment of the bleeder thing with the tool, I can't tell i= f the air bubbles are coming through the brake lines or are air being drawn i= nto the bleeder because the fitment isn't good. 
Yes, I did t= he clutch system a couple or three years ago. It was a bit frustrating, but s= eems ok now.

Thank you,
<= div>-William

From: "Robert's New iPad" <mgbobh@gmail.com>
To: wkilleffer@epbfi.com
Cc: mgs@autox.team.net
Sent: S= aturday, October 23, 2021 1:36:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB rear b= rake questions

=
The rear-brake question opens more questions= .    MGBs had rear cylinders to fit the Tourers and the GTs, diffe= rent sizes of cylinders and different back plates.    The roll pin= s located the cylinders in the correct backing plates.
Thus= the questions arise:  Tourer back plates and new GT cylinders? GT back= plates and new Tourer cylinders?  Car modified before you got it?  = ;Wrong cylinders ordered/shipped?
Having wrestled through this= with my GT, it was years back and now I do not recall which cylinders (size= and pin location) are Tourer or GT.  Someone will know, though, and th= at challenge easily mastered.   GT cylinders are larger, suited to the a= dditional weight of GTs.  If you have to swap parts, do it the way MG b= uilt it=E2=80=94they got it right. 
As you replaced them= years ago, my bet is that the vendor shipped wrong cylinders. 
= As to the bleeding, my experience has been that ordinary pedal pushi= ng has done fine for me on many cars, though I did install speed bleeders on= this GT.  They are an easy exchange and work OK, but the savings of 1/= 4 cup of brake fluid doing the job are hardly worthwhile.   If the rear= brakes are difficult to bleed, have a close look at the metal pipes on the a= xle.  A car that has been flat-bed carried may have had the straps wrap= ped around the axle, crushing the tubes.  That=E2=80=99s not an unusual= thing to find.
Since you are changing hoses, have you chang= ed clutch hose?  These break down internally whilst appearing fine exte= rnally. As you do the change, do it swiftly, w/o interruption, as introducin= g a bubble into the line is altogether too easy, and bleeding the clutch lin= e has made many an owner irate.
Bob


On Oct 23, 2021, at 1:04 PM, wkilleffer@epbfi.com wrote:

Hello everyone,

The car I'm working o= n is a 1974 MGB roadster. I decided that I wanted to replace everything rela= ting to the brakes and their hydraulics except for the metal lines. I ordere= d the parts from Moss but had to sit on them for a couple of years before ac= tually starting the project.

So, I got the new master cylinder= installed, which is probably one of the more challenging things I've ever d= one on the car. Next step was working on the rear brakes. The rubber hose in= the back was pretty simple, but the issue is with the wheel cylinders. I re= placed them maybe twenty years ago and didn't have any trouble. But these ne= w ones have a roller pin on them that doesn't line up with the holes on the b= rake's backing plate. It's been too long to try and swap them with Moss, and= I'm not sure that would do any good anyway because I don't recall that ther= e were too many choices for that part. You could get a cheaper aftermarket o= r a more expensive part that may be made in England. I went with the cheaper= one.

Has this been an issue for anyone else? I could probably= drill another hole in the back plate to match the roll pin, but that seems l= ike one of those DPO solutions. Also, I don't feel like I should have to ent= ertain such a notion anyway. The part should fit and function correctly. The= current wheel cylinders are probably ok to re-use, but I liked the idea of a= ll new parts. The front brakes are also on the agenda, but we're not there y= et.

The next question has to do with bleeding the rear brakes.= I started to bleed the brake furthest from the MC using a vacuum tool I got= at a well-known less expensive (think shipping at a port) tool store. It's b= een a letdown for several reasons, among them that the bleeders on the wheel= cylinders seem too small for the bleeder fittings that came with the tool, w= hich causes the tool to draw a great deal of air through its system. I seeme= d to barely be able to get any fluid through the system. The trouble I have i= s that I am single and live alone, so I don't have any readily available sou= rces of help. If the brakes are going to be bled, I have to do them by mysel= f. Does anyone have any advice on this topic?

Thank you,
=
-William
1974 MGB
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= --Apple-Mail-F5628109-8F93-4696-AE6D-04119A9FB398-- --===============2886359976792621189== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============2886359976792621189==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 24 04:06:49 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C790DA0B3F for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 04:06:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtpq1.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net (unknown [212.54.57.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C145AA0A98 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 03:57:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [212.54.57.105] (helo=csmtp1.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq1.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1meaFu-0001YK-Rc for mgs@autox.team.net; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 11:57:30 +0200 Received: from [192.168.0.20] ([92.238.208.75]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id eaFtm1O88I8uBeaFumMRyf; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 11:57:30 +0200 a=MqhfHBIO6+tMHo+zfQPqPA==:117 a=MqhfHBIO6+tMHo+zfQPqPA==:17 a=8gfv0ekSlNoA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=pxnlQwqvAAAA:8 a=mgOi33abAAAA:8 a=js22V_3OtBE-atvLvr8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=h4FS20VNNHUA:10 a=z_WMoxivVDBbLfZgIC4A:9 a=zRP19mQx_Q9wuvgr:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=egKMGkq-_7m75_muvWdA:22 a=Ue-LiyUTsOFXyL1nF22l:22 s=meg.feb2017; t=1635069450; bh=hfX42EoVP1PnaYkzWbPfRuWKDp8VE8ost19Pp6W337s=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=PFiEVICtKTM+jJCfJN18BXJApN+zHhq9shQUAl7CPMcXmODHJ/02NX5Nv80WXwUXc EZqjPZLaPL3hPMIrPwKNxY8qGmW4t71T8yo9yJCedstDQj3GTEIsN+o0g5Ob507We3 LIwfMm/DDhBFe5gOgg4DZnu5bTHHb+x+S2r4cbqgpeVKWPXLF0okiWuQZ+M8HsxoDH 9PbjzvfLtr2gqbyujDnBseRVdpr9I+AkwCkbRQSZj+fEd80ShSOC9LpuyEt+tp2XYg RZxJlGIWEwX3auGQ3qqEw/Jw7tqeI9CCTeg+Jm9Rlj4KUrviiFRQZInXggzREuA8qK 81uxOEZr1jVMw== Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 10:57:29 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.2.1 Content-Language: en-GB To: wkilleffer@epbfi.com, Robert's New iPad References: <1031194420.116434484.1635011091394.JavaMail.zimbra@epbfi.com> From: PaulHunt73 fnm9DDHkZ2Q55iUTxG61eTz/AFgqEhanULxQt6kbH9/A6JVR/VnQEED4bez3MDnW3ymXirzdw8skm6eFIiZt5xaYJa02C82ltGMjr12dH1En2rDqnY/V3vkN rexaD29unPQaj7Bcc9dY+g== Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB rear brake questions Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1785690524507286429== boundary="------------FAlPerPZWpM60sN0KUA1x60g" Content-Language: en-GB This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FAlPerPZWpM60sN0KUA1x60g Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The GT originally had the same wheel cylinders as the roadster, changing in May 68 for the larger item which can take more braking effort without locking up in the wet.  Incidentally the factory V8 used the smaller ones, presumably because with the harder springs there was more chance of locking up over bumps.  You are unlikely to notice the difference on dry tarmac.  Rather than describe them the two types can be seen here http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/brakecyl.htm#3 The purpose of Speedbleeders is to allow single-handed pedal bleeding of hydraulic systems, but they are pretty expensive for what they are and the number of times they are used.   They contain a spring-loaded valve which is normally bolted down tight, but when bleeding you slacken them off so that only the spring is keeping the valve closed.  Then when you press on the pedal fluid pressure opens the valve to let air/fluid out, and when releasing the pedal they close again to stop air going back in.  I've always used EeziBleed. Regardless of which method you use to get air out I've always found that after low pressure bleeding they are spongy and it needs to be done with high pressure that does need two people. One presses down on the pedal as hard as they can while the other rapidly opens and closes each caliper nipple in turn, which always blasts a bit more air out, after that they are fine.  The front of the car needs to be a bit higher than the rear as well. PaulH. On 23/10/2021 18:44, wkilleffer@epbfi.com wrote: > As far as the type of wheel cylinders, I don't recall that there was a > choice as to whether they were for a GT or a roadster. The only choice > was either Lockheed brand (maybe) for more $, or an aftermarket for > less $. As far as I know, the back plates are original, but I've only > owned the car for 20 years. Its engine is not original, so who knows > what else could have been swapped. > Can you shed more light on the whole speed bleeder thing? And how do > do pedal pumping bleeding when you're by yourself? > The fluid is making its way back to the wheel cylinder, so no lines > are crimped. But thanks to the poor fitment of the bleeder thing with > the tool, I can't tell if the air bubbles are coming through the brake > lines or are air being drawn into the bleeder because the fitment > isn't good. > Yes, I did the clutch system a couple or three years ago. It was a bit > frustrating, but seems ok now. > --------------FAlPerPZWpM60sN0KUA1x60g Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

The GT originally had the same wheel cylinders as the roadster, changing in May 68 for the larger item which can take more braking effort without locking up in the wet.  Incidentally the factory V8 used the smaller ones, presumably because with the harder springs there was more chance of locking up over bumps.  You are unlikely to notice the difference on dry tarmac.  Rather than describe them the two types can be seen here http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/brakecyl.htm#3

The purpose of Speedbleeders is to allow single-handed pedal bleeding of hydraulic systems, but they are pretty expensive for what they are and the number of times they are used.   They contain a spring-loaded valve which is normally bolted down tight, but when bleeding you slacken them off so that only the spring is keeping the valve closed.  Then when you press on the pedal fluid pressure opens the valve to let air/fluid out, and when releasing the pedal they close again to stop air going back in.  I've always used EeziBleed.

Regardless of which method you use to get air out I've always found that after low pressure bleeding they are spongy and it needs to be done with high pressure that does need two people.  One presses down on the pedal as hard as they can while the other rapidly opens and closes each caliper nipple in turn, which always blasts a bit more air out, after that they are fine.  The front of the car needs to be a bit higher than the rear as well.

PaulH.

On 23/10/2021 18:44, wkilleffer@epbfi.com wrote:
As far as the type of wheel cylinders, I don't recall that there was a choice as to whether they were for a GT or a roadster. The only choice was either Lockheed brand (maybe) for more $, or an aftermarket for less $. As far as I know, the back plates are original, but I've only owned the car for 20 years. Its engine is not original, so who knows what else could have been swapped. 
Can you shed more light on the whole speed bleeder thing? And how do do pedal pumping bleeding when you're by yourself?
The fluid is making its way back to the wheel cylinder, so no lines are crimped. But thanks to the poor fitment of the bleeder thing with the tool, I can't tell if the air bubbles are coming through the brake lines or are air being drawn into the bleeder because the fitment isn't good. 
Yes, I did the clutch system a couple or three years ago. It was a bit frustrating, but seems ok now.

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many = of us usually work in the garage alone.=C2=A0 Speedbleeders are = fantastic!=C2=A0 Brakes and clutch, allows you to just bleed them.=C2=A0 = You probably want to use a hose to guide the drippings; otherwise you = get brake fluid sprayed around.=C2=A0 I can=E2=80=99t believe someone = said they are expensive.=C2=A0 Really?=C2=A0 Less than $10 a pair last = time I bought them.=C2=A0 Given the time and effort and money we put = into these vehicles?????=C2=A0 My wife loves them; bleeding was not a = favorite activity of hers.

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Hi D= ave,
The reader who commented that they were expensive is= in the UK, where they usually pay in =C2=A3 what we pay in $$.    = ;When I see the adverts from Halfords and other places that might be equival= ent to our NAPA stores, I feel bad that it costs so much more to support an M= G habit in their home market.
Bob


On Oct 24, 2021, at 11:35 AM, dave <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:

http://speedbleeder.com/

 

many of us usually work in the garage alone.  Speedbleeders are fan= tastic!  Brakes and clutch, allows you to just bleed them.  You pr= obably want to use a hose to guide the drippings; otherwise you get brake fl= uid sprayed around.  I can=E2=80=99t believe someone said they are expe= nsive.  Really?  Less than $10 a pair last time I bought them.&nbs= p; Given the time and effort and money we put into these vehicles????? = My wife loves them; bleeding was not a favorite activity of hers.

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= --Apple-Mail-C2AB5105-6536-444C-8519-83AB58FF7F3C-- --===============3343869413838317459== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============3343869413838317459==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 27 09:57:20 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB72A0CB2 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2021 09:57:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta7.epbfi.com (unknown [74.205.143.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3221A06E2 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2021 09:56:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([108.174.97.50]) by cmsmtp with SMTP id flHdmBdlhzzHiflHdmAw1d; Wed, 27 Oct 2021 11:56:09 -0400 a=u4d84hLt13Fmju0+Jm08qg==:117 a=u4d84hLt13Fmju0+Jm08qg==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=9Bdfbh8ZJ3YK23FANw8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 From: William Killeffer Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 11:56:09 -0400 To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Metal dash in a later car Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net SGVsbG8gZXZlcnlvbmUsIAoKTXkgY2FyIGlzIGEgMTk3NCBDQiByb2Fkc3Rlci4gQSBjb3VwbGUg b2YgeWVhcnMgYWdvLCBJIHJlcGxhY2VkIHRoZSBmb2FtIHBvcnRpb24gb2YgdGhlIGRhc2hib2Fy ZCBiZWNhdXNlIGl0IGhhZCBzZXZlcmFsIGRlZXAgY3JhY2tzIGluIGl0LCBhbmQgd2FzIGxvb2tp bmcgd29yc2UgdGhhbiBzaGFiYnkuIE15IGVmZm9ydHMgdG8gc3BpZmYgaXQgdXAgd2VyZW7igJl0 IHNhdGlzZmFjdG9yeS4gU28sIEkgc3RyaXBwZWQgb2ZmIHRoZSBvbGQgcGFkIGV4Y2VwdCBmb3Ig dGhlIGZpcm0gZm9hbSB0aGF04oCZcyByaXZldGVkIHRvIHRoZSBtZXRhbCBkYXNoIHBsYXRlIGFu ZCByZXBsYWNlZCBpdCB3aXRoIGEgbmV3IGRhc2ggcGFkLiBUaGUgaW5zdHJ1Y3Rpb25zIHdlcmUg cHJldHR5IGJhZCBhbmQgdGhlIGVuZCByZXN1bHQgd2FzIGEgZGlzYXBwb2ludG1lbnQuIEkgd2Fz IHNvIHVwc2V0IHdpdGggaXQgdGhhdCBJIG5lYXJseSBzb2xkIHRoZSBjYXIganVzdCBzbyBJIGRp ZG7igJl0IGhhdmUgdG8gbG9vayBhdCB0aGUgZGlzYXBwb2ludGluZyBkYXNoIGFueW1vcmUuIEkg Z290IG92ZXIgdGhhdCwgYnV0IGFtIHN0aWxsIG5vdCBoYXBweS4gIE9uZSBwYXJ0IG9mIHRoZSBw cm9ibGVtIGlzIHRoYXQgdGhlIG1ldGFsIHBsYXRlIGhhcyBzb21lIHJ1c3QgZGFtYWdlIGR1ZSB0 byBvbGQgbGVha3MgYXJvdW5kIHRoZSB3aW5kc2hpZWxkLiAKCk5vdywgc29tZW9uZSBpcyBzZWxs aW5nIGEgbmljZSBsb29raW5nIG1ldGFsIGRhc2ggb3V0IG9mIGFuIGVhcmxpZXIgY2FyLiBJbiB0 aGVvcnksIGl0IHNob3VsZCBmaXQgaW4gdGhlIHNhbWUgc3BvdCBhcyBhIHBhZGRlZCBkYXNoIGFu ZCBhdHRhY2ggdG8gdGhlIGNhciB0aGUgc2FtZSB3YXksIHJpZ2h0PyBJIGtub3cgc29tZSBvZiB0 aGUgd2lyaW5nIHdvdWxkIGJlIGRpZmZlcmVudCBhbmQgaGF2ZSB0byBiZSBhZGFwdGVkIGluIGEg bm9uLURQTyB3YXkuICBBbHNvLCB0aGUgMTk3NCBjb25zb2xlIGlzIG5vdCB0aGUgc2FtZSBhcyB0 aGUgZWFybGllciBjYXJzLCBzbyBJIHdvdWxkIGhhdmUgdG8gZmluZCBhIHdheSB0byBnZXQgZXZl cnl0aGluZyB0byBsb29rIHJpZ2h0LiBCdXQgdGhlcmUgd291bGQgbm8gbG9uZ2VyIGJlIGEgbmVl ZCB0byBkZWFsIHdpdGggdGhhdCBQSVRBIGRhc2ggcGFkZGluZyBhbnkgbG9uZ2VyLiAKCkFueSB0 aG91Z2h0cz8KClRoYW5rIHlvdSwKLVdpbGxpYW0KClNlbnQgZnJvbSBteSBpUGhvbmUKX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KCk1nc0BhdXRveC50ZWFt Lm5ldApEb25hdGU6IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudGVhbS5uZXQvZG9uYXRlLmh0bWwKU3VnZ2VzdGVkIGFu bnVhbCBkb25hdGlvbiAgJDEyLjc1CgpBcmNoaXZlOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRlYW0ubmV0L3BpcGVy bWFpbC9tZ3MgaHR0cDovL2F1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0L2FyY2hpdmUKClVuc3Vic2NyaWJlOiBodHRw Oi8vYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQvbWFpbG1hbi9vcHRpb25zL21ncy9taGFyY0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5l dAo= From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 27 11:03:19 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5759A06CD for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2021 11:03:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (unknown [64.142.111.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D936A04AD for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2021 11:01:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (172-5-155-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.5.155.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id 19RH1sbR022292 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 27 Oct 2021 10:01:55 -0700 From: Max Heim Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 10:01:54 -0700 References: To: William Killeffer , Mga List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Metal dash in a later car Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0753386788322710006== boundary="Apple-Mail=_A7032F80-753E-48E8-A363-96293DC2A9BF" --Apple-Mail=_A7032F80-753E-48E8-A363-96293DC2A9BF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Actually, I do not believe that it is a simple bolt-in. It can be done = but requires modifications. I am sure someone knows the details. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Oct 27, 2021, at 8:56 AM, William Killeffer = wrote: >=20 > Hello everyone,=20 >=20 > My car is a 1974 CB roadster. A couple of years ago, I replaced the = foam portion of the dashboard because it had several deep cracks in it, = and was looking worse than shabby. My efforts to spiff it up weren=E2=80=99= t satisfactory. So, I stripped off the old pad except for the firm foam = that=E2=80=99s riveted to the metal dash plate and replaced it with a = new dash pad. The instructions were pretty bad and the end result was a = disappointment. I was so upset with it that I nearly sold the car just = so I didn=E2=80=99t have to look at the disappointing dash anymore. I = got over that, but am still not happy. One part of the problem is that = the metal plate has some rust damage due to old leaks around the = windshield.=20 >=20 > Now, someone is selling a nice looking metal dash out of an earlier = car. In theory, it should fit in the same spot as a padded dash and = attach to the car the same way, right? I know some of the wiring would = be different and have to be adapted in a non-DPO way. Also, the 1974 = console is not the same as the earlier cars, so I would have to find a = way to get everything to look right. But there would no longer be a need = to deal with that PITA dash padding any longer.=20 >=20 > Any thoughts? >=20 > Thank you, > -William >=20 > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net >=20 --Apple-Mail=_A7032F80-753E-48E8-A363-96293DC2A9BF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Actually, I do not believe that it is a simple bolt-in. It = can be done but requires modifications. I am sure someone knows the = details.


--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

On Oct 27, 2021, at 8:56 AM, William Killeffer <wkilleffer@epbfi.com> wrote:

Hello = everyone,

My car is a 1974 CB roadster. A = couple of years ago, I replaced the foam portion of the dashboard = because it had several deep cracks in it, and was looking worse than = shabby. My efforts to spiff it up weren=E2=80=99t satisfactory. So, I = stripped off the old pad except for the firm foam that=E2=80=99s riveted = to the metal dash plate and replaced it with a new dash pad. The = instructions were pretty bad and the end result was a disappointment. I = was so upset with it that I nearly sold the car just so I didn=E2=80=99t = have to look at the disappointing dash anymore. I got over that, but am = still not happy.  One part of the problem is that the metal plate = has some rust damage due to old leaks around the windshield.

Now, someone is selling a nice looking metal = dash out of an earlier car. In theory, it should fit in the same spot as = a padded dash and attach to the car the same way, right? I know some of = the wiring would be different and have to be adapted in a non-DPO way. =  Also, the 1974 console is not the same as the earlier cars, so I = would have to find a way to get everything to look right. But there = would no longer be a need to deal with that PITA dash padding any = longer.

Any thoughts?

Thank you,
-William

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Anyone ordered from = them?  Any issues?

 

What’s = the consensus on the best place to get MGB parts?  Moss quality = just isn’t there.

------=_NextPart_000_0005_01D7CCB9.314524B0-- --===============9108885687296857193== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============9108885687296857193==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 29 11:06:04 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD4DA0E57 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2021 11:06:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (unknown [173.201.192.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4CA2A03E8 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2021 11:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.interback.net ([204.14.99.165]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPA id gVJMmxolopebFgVJNmpmS6; Fri, 29 Oct 2021 10:05:01 -0700 a=P5ahY9kmouD+VgRD+GXF9w==:117 a=P5ahY9kmouD+VgRD+GXF9w==:17 a=8gfv0ekSlNoA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=VDvd0qXU6h_luPk_dZEA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=ReauhAK5AAAA:8 a=z9NgMA801NcQyceck1sA:9 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=JclCMx5BlGuGgvFNkj6j:22 Received: from [192.168.1.18] (unknown [192.168.1.18]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.interback.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4690AC02C2 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2021 10:05:00 -0700 (PDT) To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <000401d7cce3$1a18e2c0$4e4aa840$@ranteer.com> From: David Councill Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 10:05:01 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.1 Content-Language: en-US z+vo4GTjNLShHzWp4SfK9c4hAt+6WcHPnezZ3f1N0sR+qSkpJodUwZJk+/dDew4KYeW7NbFxcuP4IqmY7ABFZeS+oSI0MchuzsI= Subject: Re: [Mgs] NW Import Parts Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============8334783108405210068== boundary="------------817CB18141705E1C16655C2E" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------817CB18141705E1C16655C2E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I order from them all the time and they are quick to ship. However, Moss quality relates to manufacturing. And so, whether you order from Moss or somewhere else, you are likely seeing parts from the same source. David Councill 67 BGT, 64 B, 72 B On 10/29/2021 9:36 AM, dave wrote: > > Anyone ordered from them?  Any issues? > > What’s the consensus on the best place to get MGB parts?  Moss quality > just isn’t there. > > --------------817CB18141705E1C16655C2E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I order from them all the time and they are quick to ship. However, Moss quality relates to manufacturing. And so, whether you order from Moss or somewhere else, you are likely seeing parts from the same source.

David Councill

67 BGT, 64 B, 72 B

On 10/29/2021 9:36 AM, dave wrote:

Anyone ordered from them?  Any issues?

 

What’s the consensus on the best place to get MGB parts?  Moss quality just isn’t there.


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I've used them several times over the years and had no= problems. I bought a few mild grind performance cams and an AL cylinder he= ad.

There are only so many manufacturers for the parts i= n the world, so the quality will be the same for items that come from the s= ame manufacturer....

Lots of places are also Moss = resellers, so you will get the same quality on that too. I have seen Moss p= ull parts that are not good as well as issue warnings on products with poor= quality. Have you contacted them with your issues?=C2=A0(There may be noth= ing that can be done...)

On a side note, I recentl= y picked up another roadster. This one is a 2001 Miata.=C2=A0
I am disappointed at the lack of part availability for this 20 = year old car. Makes me glad I can still get parts for my 2 MGBs.=C2=A0

I don't know that when my Miata is fifty there wil= l be any source for nearly everything on it, no matter what the quality is.= (Though I probably won't be looking for parts for it in 30 years, one = of my sons might have that challenge.)

---
Andrew

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Anyone ordered from them?=C2=A0 Any issues?<= /u>

=C2=A0

What=E2=80=99s the consensus on the best place to get MGB parts?=C2=A0 Mo= ss quality just isn=E2=80=99t there.

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They are local to me, but do not have pick up as an option= , that said they support our hobby, show up to our local ABFM and source fr= om the usual suspects.
They wanted to=C2=A0charge=C2=A0me $9.00 to ship= a $6.00 part. I bought it elsewhere=C2=A0with free shipping, not amazon.
Ira Erbs
Milwaukie,OR
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BT7 engine and disk brakes

1967 MGB =C2=A03D"MG"

A racing car is an animal= with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
Please ex= cuse random auto corrects and misspelled words

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 9:46 AM dave <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:

Anyone ordered from them?=C2=A0 Any issues?

=C2=A0

What=E2= =80=99s the consensus on the best place to get MGB parts?=C2=A0 Moss qualit= y just isn=E2=80=99t there.

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--00000000000001cd2005cf810357-- --===============5303884677710978689== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============5303884677710978689==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 31 07:59:57 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B006BA0F8C for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2021 07:59:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl (unknown [195.121.94.184]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0727AA0DE9 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2021 07:59:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.kpnmail.nl (unknown [10.31.155.7]) by ewsoutbound.so.kpn.org (Halon) with ESMTPS id aa7d1666-3a52-11ec-b71a-005056994fde; Sun, 31 Oct 2021 14:58:46 +0100 (CET) h=content-type:mime-version:message-id:date:subject:to:from; bh=r1djTLriJWUVenneLCvIhRcWZoTxhLifUJhVUk0DcJA=; b=lwLT6D1GuKeFAjoVQmci2Or9samEIpGF2IThtY23cbbIfriJP++lllr7jJJGg+BfYnl2AE6A+jM7M nw9Pig1jHVBffICMthLRvXbkqL25quTvflOTAHZhNb00l0CFpcl0SkHurCXn8hCt/7ZwnbDxI9KjQ/ ssB4CweO44Gh85ds= ipYvVgzCWq2sAKtk+ptso+VOYx/Nuq8gES79T9TG1psY= ImjdCAjPYNUdkedGLyiC3SxQq/H4KxOw4vP3FaH0AHjs= Received: from MorrisGarages (77-161-98-80.fixed.kpn.net [77.161.98.80]) by smtp.kpnmail.nl (Halon) with ESMTPSA id b2aab4df-3a52-11ec-aee5-005056998788; Sun, 31 Oct 2021 14:59:00 +0100 (CET) From: To: "'Andrew Lundgren'" , "'dave'" References: <000401d7cce3$1a18e2c0$4e4aa840$@ranteer.com> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 14:59:00 +0100 Thread-Index: AQI5YoY7e9/2rn4uj6MJmk7tVneQQALcy0RFqxMSI9A= Content-Language: en-nl Subject: Re: [Mgs] NW Import Parts Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1316578798891162449== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01D7CE67.D6C83F80" Content-Language: en-nl This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01D7CE67.D6C83F80 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That=E2=80=99s the problem with Japanese products. The products are so often altered, that specific parts will become NLA easi= er than for the good old British classics. I recently had this with a Japanese bicycle part of Shimano =E2=80=93 the f= ront wheel alternator hub. It was not old, but parts are not obtainable. So I bought a 2nd hand hub and put all the spokes on that. Yes =E2=80=93 it takes some time, but the result still is working for some = years now=E2=80=A6 Cheers, Hans Van: Mgs Namens Andrew Lundgren Verzonden: Friday, 29 October 2021 19:06 Aan: dave CC: mgs@autox.team.net Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] NW Import Parts I've used them several times over the years and had no problems. I bought a= few mild grind performance cams and an AL cylinder head. There are only so many manufacturers for the parts in the world, so the qua= lity will be the same for items that come from the same manufacturer.... Lots of places are also Moss resellers, so you will get the same quality on= that too. I have seen Moss pull parts that are not good as well as issue w= arnings on products with poor quality. Have you contacted them with your is= sues? (There may be nothing that can be done...) On a side note, I recently picked up another roadster. This one is a 2001 M= iata. I am disappointed at the lack of part availability for this 20 year old car= =2E Makes me glad I can still get parts for my 2 MGBs. I don't know that when my Miata is fifty there will be any source for nearl= y everything on it, no matter what the quality is. (Though I probably won't= be looking for parts for it in 30 years, one of my sons might have that ch= allenge.) --- Andrew r.com> > wrote: Anyone ordered from them? Any issues? What=E2=80=99s the consensus on the best place to get MGB parts? Moss qual= ity just isn=E2=80=99t there. _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/lundgren@byu.net -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01D7CE67.D6C83F80 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That= =E2=80=99s the problem with Japanese products.

The p= roducts are so often altered, that specific parts will become NLA easier th= an for the good old British classics.

I recently had= this with a Japanese bicycle part of Shimano =E2=80=93 the front wheel alt= ernator hub.

It was not old, but parts are not obtai= nable.

So I bought a 2nd hand hub and p= ut all the spokes on that.

Yes =E2=80=93 it takes so= me time, but the result still is working for some years now=E2=80=A6

 

Cheers,

Hans

 

Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> Namens= Andrew Lundgren
Verzonden: Friday, 29 October 2021 19:06
= Aan: dave <dave@ranteer.com>
CC: mgs@autox.team.net<= br>Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] NW Import Parts

 

I've used them = several times over the years and had no problems. I bought a few mild grind= performance cams and an AL cylinder head.

 

There are only= so many manufacturers for the parts in the world, so the quality will be t= he same for items that come from the same manufacturer....

 

Lots of places are also Moss resellers, so you will get the same qu= ality on that too. I have seen Moss pull parts that are not good as well as= issue warnings on products with poor quality. Have you contacted them with= your issues? (There may be nothing that can be done...)

 

On a side note, I recently picked up another roadster. This on= e is a 2001 Miata. 

 

I am disappointed at the l= ack of part availability for this 20 year old car. Makes me glad I can stil= l get parts for my 2 MGBs. 

 

I don't know that = when my Miata is fifty there will be any source for nearly everything on it= , no matter what the quality is. (Though I probably won't be looking for pa= rts for it in 30 years, one of my sons might have that challenge.)

 

---

Andrew

 

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 10:47 AM dave <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:

Anyone ordered from them?  Any issues?

 

What=E2=80=99s the consensus on the best place to get MGB parts?&= nbsp; Moss quality just isn=E2=80=99t there.

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