From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 1 08:32:59 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD13A0BD5 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2021 08:32:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nmtao102.oxsus-vadesecure.net (unknown [51.81.61.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE66DA0B92 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2021 08:32:40 -0600 (MDT) gcKn8=; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=earthlink.net; h=from:reply-to:subject: date:to:cc:resent-date:resent-from:resent-to:resent-cc:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post: list-owner:list-archive; q=dns/txt; s=dk12062016; t=1635777160; x=1636381960; b=nxjyYbDgGjY5heuKvv2sV8ke89pRNKCVTNc0OA/zQ8ae2TfJeWc4Zkw W4KoztCpk/okNftPAk3LCGFp9YLf/mG3IygVYvpUbWSykcCXilp2apRVmj41faD4pLagZQa C/Fc3lm7XQorrKwQZQHUSGTLZ1P0cU/RDhIghDyqSxeFlvyzof3FM2rGrSPHKbYmewKQk4L 1GU3rWX5KOgZ3d7nZIX52jjwwIfjg75stiFzXkexucgruPCyAU4T2wLVTQjQrr6LwViiFMC FLbnDvOI/XwpfBdWoggGMq++cPU+l5GiFaggbtabkD+FsgumJci2RYNom3lBHxF7YsXkiXx pDQ== Received: from DESKTOP7257HI4 ([71.203.11.70]) by smtp.oxsus-vadesecure.net ESMTP oxsus1nmtao02p with ngmta id 6a6c3b5b-16b372a8ffc62652; Mon, 01 Nov 2021 14:32:39 +0000 From: "Norm 2Bs" To: Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 10:32:42 -0400 Thread-Index: AdfPLTXhaZingiwkSdWPUxaOFDrH9g== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Mgs] Weber 45DCOE & Maniflow Intake Manifold For Sale Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============5995515631033970980== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01D7CF0B.CDB80CA0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01D7CF0B.CDB80CA0 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings from a long-time missing from this forum ex- MGB Racer. =20 As much as I miss my old "B" there is little chance I will ever get = another and I just found this lightly used Maniflow intake manifold and Weber = 45DCOE among the "stuff" in my garage. =20 I used this carb & manifold for a short time with the '66 MGB I owned = for many years. I don't remember how long either was used. But, it is time = to send them on to help another MGBer go faster. =20 The Maniflow intake retails for =A3185 or $250. The Weber is a 45DCOE = 152, No. 242 02 made in Spain. Looking at one on eBay asking $518 for a new = one. Do a search for 45DCOE's on eBay and you find all kinds of NON-Weber = carbs. But, this is a real one and includes a bunch of jets (Air Correction, = Main & Pump), new gaskets and linkage pieces. =20 Make me an offer for the combination. Buyer pays the shipping from SW Florida. =20 Norm Sippel 727-787-5929 (mobile) ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01D7CF0B.CDB80CA0 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings = from a long-time missing from this forum ex- MGB = Racer.

As much = as I miss my old "B" there is little chance I will ever get = another and I just found this lightly used Maniflow intake manifold and = Weber 45DCOE among the "stuff" in my = garage.

I used = this carb & manifold for a short time with the '66 MGB I owned for = many years. I don't remember how long either was used. But, it is time = to send them on to help another MGBer go faster.

The = Maniflow intake retails for =A3185 or $250. The Weber is a = 45DCOE=A0 152, No. 242 02 made in Spain. Looking at one on eBay asking = $518 for a new one. Do a search for 45DCOE's on eBay and you find all = kinds of NON-Weber carbs. But, this is a real one and includes a bunch = of jets (Air Correction, Main & Pump), new gaskets and linkage = pieces.

Make me = an offer for the combination. Buyer pays the shipping from SW = Florida.

Norm = Sippel

727-787-5929 = (mobile)

------=_NextPart_000_0032_01D7CF0B.CDB80CA0-- --===============5995515631033970980== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============5995515631033970980==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 5 14:34:29 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55349A144C for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2021 14:34:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (unknown [173.201.192.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA86A11D3 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2021 14:34:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TR3a ([70.113.144.162]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPSA id j5ummPvHWNTKxj5unmHNYb; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 13:34:21 -0700 a=KXMrHgSagCIti5hztBmXkQ==:117 a=KXMrHgSagCIti5hztBmXkQ==:17 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=eYHdo_GM09m0_yox9UQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=JX8blo4PQ72ESjXhgw4A:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 From: "dave" To: Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 15:34:20 -0500 Thread-Index: AdfShFnTt2i0r8p2R06ImkHM+umwNg== Content-Language: en-us GMuSgmdcVsslh5y/Dx2qFgH734We2xDzM5ZAn00zlD5GstgeCiEBhmic Subject: [Mgs] door panel clips Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============0445405105952586413== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01D7D25A.9A615A80" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01D7D25A.9A615A80 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We need a couple door panel clips for a 72 mgb roadster. Moss part 226-670 I'm thinking there's a similar part available at a flaps or maybe big box hardware store? Seems pretty simple. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01D7D25A.9A615A80 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We need a couple door panel = clips for a 72 mgb roadster.

Moss part = 226-670

I’m thinking there’s a similar part = available at a flaps or maybe big box hardware store? Seems pretty = simple.

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01D7D25A.9A615A80-- --===============0445405105952586413== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0445405105952586413==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 5 14:51:25 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED63A1408 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2021 14:51:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qv1-f52.google.com (unknown [209.85.219.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8ED6A144C for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2021 14:50:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qv1-f52.google.com with SMTP id b11so8073100qvm.7 for ; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 13:50:28 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=KSquGrJ5wNnXJwL4W9Hz0xKSt+AEvehyk/oK5wafsJw=; b=cgAcMxN77OZ9jfjefUQsrZtdsrt1tGpxJ24A2sBtcg9JrnfGQ4seQDQa7o1aKdHcTs XfhpHcvhqcBFo9jkuXVEM8te/nsG5FWyJR1Qs82+5CF32mseuI/ZONJL2DPi6sUfuCDm oLpVmcj/N2dqI7d+AYX7/Hw8DJIXa1C/26rsSUdxzompZo6XUj1q6bBIkEI4w5/NcAwZ fqdaPZ4/1xJAN+Xa8aNtD+HV1D7VCITG7+ZzrYUoC+S0l7RvIkyRfM0jpcMI9pK9qmy5 Fe63D93PczaemS1kNObHJ5N+1xxa/dEiq9o6nVyVDmuK1RZw7tO9v1Q7MyWOyKT5X4D8 Lcjg== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=KSquGrJ5wNnXJwL4W9Hz0xKSt+AEvehyk/oK5wafsJw=; b=QkOIyLxY9UzKe2kT89vDbdJyz8qCRUwI95xBbyPgY3BsjnqM9mtdQefmbW3uLp18Pt AMbvKecrwhGeYyJoTU/hDdER7cq2wO60tQPtF2D7pOSi9ddkzCIcF8NbL7mtazmSMT0s NLmC1AfEYYaSDHTfF9TS8uvgosQ+p5a1VLvkdn1lsi5X0lhjIZU5rQdn5kPS1FOX8wkI CBUgSnM5lyoN0dVUE07LQikIUPW7fJx8WGrH36D2bR7UcLJE7jBWxCDej2WUt49zItLM TtPCVYtY86lSIC8pRCSTJ/G7WkkyKNKlIrbDsfnQk5SeYfWxkCFM7POuoo3c6JFVatTS gU+A== YqDWC0AqFc8gON9nK+R+d2QGCY4Tkkw= g2mr1615339qvi.28.1636145427791; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 13:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] ([32.210.21.102]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 17sm6425073qtw.16.2021.11.05.13.50.27 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 05 Nov 2021 13:50:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert's New iPad Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 16:50:25 -0400 References: <000001d7d284$83351890$899f49b0$@ranteer.com> To: dave Subject: Re: [Mgs] door panel clips Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5646362827557591165== boundary=Apple-Mail-B5A4B017-58A7-4ADA-A221-A3B54FD81013 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-B5A4B017-58A7-4ADA-A221-A3B54FD81013 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got a blister-pack of an equivalent clips at NAPA. Bob > On Nov 5, 2021, at 4:34 PM, dave wrote: >=20 > We need a couple door panel clips for a 72 mgb roadster. > =20 > Moss part 226-670 > =20 > I=E2=80=99m thinking there=E2=80=99s a similar part available at a flaps o= r maybe big box hardware store? Seems pretty simple. > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com --Apple-Mail-B5A4B017-58A7-4ADA-A221-A3B54FD81013 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I got a blis= ter-pack of an equivalent clips at NAPA.

Bob

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We need a couple door panel clips for a 72 mgb roadster.=

Moss p= art 226-670

I=E2=80=99m thinking there=E2=80=99s a similar part availab= le at a flaps or maybe big box hardware store? Seems pretty simple.

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Anyone have a cast iron stock exhaust manifold for a 1967= MG engine they would like to sell?=C2=A0 Converting my 69 MGB GT from a We= ber carb and performance header to SU carbs and stock exhaust.=C2=A0 Tired = of the exhaust leaks and Weber tuning.

Mike MacLean

<= div dir=3D"auto">1969 MGB GT with 1967 engine

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I have a 1972 MGB with HIF carbs & a 1968 BGT with HS4s newly purchased. It appears the intake manifolds are the same. Can I just switch the carb banks?

The BGT needs a clutch, so I want to put the new HS4s on the car that is running.

Thanks,

Steve Hughes

Archer, FL

------=_Part_130719_1879594694.1636731175866-- --===============0174428258737774539== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0174428258737774539==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 12 14:00:03 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951D2A1899 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 14:00:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (unknown [68.178.252.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A02A183D for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:58:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.interback.net ([204.14.99.165]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPA id lddNme91yDmGUlddNm6zv2; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:58:53 -0700 a=P5ahY9kmouD+VgRD+GXF9w==:117 a=P5ahY9kmouD+VgRD+GXF9w==:17 a=vIxV3rELxO4A:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=GtpRksQSANkaFgw1o4EA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=WIJLXZ3qCFUquCPR3DMA:9 a=SZW2zQdA4srQRT37:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Received: from [192.168.1.18] (unknown [192.168.1.18]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.interback.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B1B58C0316 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 12:58:52 -0800 (PST) To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <1748034754.130720.1636731175867.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1748034754.130720.1636731175867@mail.yahoo.com> From: David Councill Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 12:58:54 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.1 Content-Language: en-US W3+sqhYnsD4dM8iFrH4+OA8wpbwcGMKFxYL4MubRAGMA79kl1IkLEbn+MeelaL9Z9pEYPTOTqAIiCzMIZgSfsk7FRv+dshizwSY= Subject: Re: [Mgs] Carb Bank Interchangeability Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5486279140464434542== boundary="------------2FF9AF52F6F3C2A4965294C6" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2FF9AF52F6F3C2A4965294C6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes - I did that switch on my 72B. Mostly because I had a decent rebuilt set from a 71BGT to use and I am very familiar with the HS4s and no experience with the HIF carbs. I did use the HIF carbs for at least a few months or so before removal and they did seem to have some advantages, in particular in cold weather starting as I recall. Now that I have several MGs (67BGT, 72B, 64B), I am giving some thought to putting the HIFs back in the 72B this winter, granted I am also currently rebuilding the 67BGT. David Councill On 11/12/2021 7:32 AM, daybell7@aol.com wrote: > I have a 1972 MGB with HIF carbs & a 1968 BGT with HS4s newly > purchased. It appears the intake manifolds are the same. Can I just > switch the carb banks? > > The BGT needs a clutch, so I want to put the new HS4s on the car that > is running. > > Thanks, > Steve Hughes > Archer, FL > --------------2FF9AF52F6F3C2A4965294C6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Yes - I did that switch on my 72B. Mostly because I had a decent rebuilt set from a 71BGT to use and I am very familiar with the HS4s and no experience with the HIF carbs. I did use the HIF carbs for at least a few months or so before removal and they did seem to have some advantages, in particular in cold weather starting as I recall.

Now that I have several MGs (67BGT, 72B, 64B), I am giving some thought to putting the HIFs back in the 72B this winter, granted I am also currently rebuilding the 67BGT.

David Councill

On 11/12/2021 7:32 AM, daybell7@aol.com wrote:

I have a 1972 MGB with HIF carbs & a 1968 BGT with HS4s newly purchased. It appears the intake manifolds are the same. Can I just switch the carb banks?

The BGT needs a clutch, so I want to put the new HS4s on the car that is running.

Thanks,

Steve Hughes

Archer, FL

--------------2FF9AF52F6F3C2A4965294C6-- --===============5486279140464434542== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============5486279140464434542==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 13 01:52:23 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C7FA17DA for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2021 01:52:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtpq2.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net (unknown [212.54.57.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4994EA1736 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2021 01:50:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from [212.54.57.111] (helo=csmtp7.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq2.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mlojc-0005zW-Fe for mgs@autox.team.net; Sat, 13 Nov 2021 09:50:04 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.20] ([92.238.208.75]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id lojbmq8lFufb4lojcmlMK6; Sat, 13 Nov 2021 09:50:04 +0100 a=MqhfHBIO6+tMHo+zfQPqPA==:117 a=MqhfHBIO6+tMHo+zfQPqPA==:17 a=vIxV3rELxO4A:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=c-DrJGnWuirVolsmQh8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=12PiDTGCAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=L3Wx6LEHa15p3Fm1w_0A:9 a=pBRTEuRtH29bxTX3:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=9C0H88CycNrlr5Sg7cm3:22 s=meg.feb2017; t=1636793404; bh=QZWcP7LcLYtDBdyVq2rBKnauY7rQsP4E8PbOUPoY2pk=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=tA8cMTY2U2dPTgENOskBmw9HH9MXnvBqJmKCyMyFxBRPZ4AWpx/guwWwhJ6AY4xzT HPOrxCNi0/hGgqrcLfx30ZsUDW5HXefPleahpWgrKirGREhTb46N6wI8s0GlZL7Eza jk+7HnzuV8MXdNxsCq7boR8w5MRrgRNLf/xzbWoI5RNUMfqkHoNHmRVPyX8HZo811O uK9QQcT6IS2fepMKEVnSDgcqy5xgYUYMhQKIWH2sXd2lFQLVkaWBT/qnRZHgbqpfro InDBpnAW7a3J8t4EfY0DYAVHWgnzbaD0tC7k7mtWX5CSkBQy+zn8l9u4mE+CK0dJPx LK93jhgCW3U1w== Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 08:50:03 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.3.0 Content-Language: en-GB To: David Councill , mgs@autox.team.net References: <1748034754.130720.1636731175867.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1748034754.130720.1636731175867@mail.yahoo.com> <56b20c9e-138b-f797-b4ab-dd4c0edb50b8@karamursel.org> From: PaulHunt73 LoBrISSnTjHnYh6ief8spo2rwC2/3w/NFvzeR3Lud3f0rDYJ27KlJrBLXsGvS1J63FVT2gcRxP6hDT4S/tPaYkMHcr/vgtuzFNkqvl5im1JoSB+Q1p16kK+Y Subject: Re: [Mgs] Carb Bank Interchangeability Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1380171961777108979== boundary="------------FX35wJYXRzWy4Wy3GO3RlRk6" Content-Language: en-GB This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FX35wJYXRzWy4Wy3GO3RlRk6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Probably, but the fuel supply, choke and throttle controls are different. The air cleaner mounting is as well but they can move with the carbs. PaulH. On 11/12/2021 7:32 AM, daybell7@aol.com wrote: >> I have a 1972 MGB with HIF carbs & a 1968 BGT with HS4s newly >> purchased. It appears the intake manifolds are the same. Can I just >> switch the carb banks? >> >> The BGT needs a clutch, so I want to put the new HS4s on the car that >> is running. > --------------FX35wJYXRzWy4Wy3GO3RlRk6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Probably, but the fuel supply, choke and throttle controls are different. The air cleaner mounting is as well but they can move with the carbs.

PaulH.

On 11/12/2021 7:32 AM, daybell7@aol.com wrote:

I have a 1972 MGB with HIF carbs & a 1968 BGT with HS4s newly purchased. It appears the intake manifolds are the same. Can I just switch the carb banks?

The BGT needs a clutch, so I want to put the new HS4s on the car that is running.

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Thanks for the help on this.

Steve Hughes

Archer, FL

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Can anyone supply the casting numbers for each? We don=E2=80= =99t know what we have. Thanks in advance, Sarah Carr BN1 in PA Sent from Mail for Windows --_C0C8BB84-7339-4573-84E9-370E1712B944_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The M= oss catalog lists two different part numbers for the stock cast-iron manifo= ld=E2=80=94depending on the years fitted=E2=80=94but the drawings look iden= tical.=C2=A0 Can anyone supply the casting numbers for each?=C2=A0 We don= =E2=80=99t know what we have.

Thanks in advance,

Sarah Carr<= /p>

BN1 in PA

Sent from Mail for Windows

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= --_C0C8BB84-7339-4573-84E9-370E1712B944_-- --===============1902054959302713912== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1902054959302713912==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 15 20:29:16 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82384A1888 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 20:29:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from gateway24.websitewelcome.com (unknown [192.185.51.162]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9239A1802 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 20:26:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from cm12.websitewelcome.com (cm12.websitewelcome.com [100.42.49.8]) by gateway24.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D778B4265E for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 21:26:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from box5291.bluehost.com ([162.241.225.207]) by cmsmtp with SMTP id mp6lmSZRcOnCImp6lmvhko; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 21:26:07 -0600 ; s=default; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:From: To:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Message-ID:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=uU0GhFxTD/g8ADz2tyTSY03SWfnLw0XhbUDxaqxaJh8=; b=VYo1ktwAw50RQVUxSu6rI9JZIl 9DinvwlZbkgXN7NMo+/75EUir7OvkidKRjSRuozLdPqPkIwghNyvcX9+ysUshE9SvSP8qYoeh+Iba dBY8IcoNpqn7LyiZUMtEmkN7L96JFLagf4yVrhEe15QuyYxbaZZXPvxfDtYB9mhkmAeP7iWsC8cDZ kE2J3PGX+WL3DS2ix4ufgUhgOhlL6Z4WYDUABo7uHZlGrmf/9KYDN7Rc/QmtYx86wAT+ICd14jH89 Icida2aBnyHIQ6D5y2289HjbWglga6HYBuDzjF+Ti5BY0b5m/iQZy5euy+mztjqUKQsOESgT3O4Tf 0+HrH+pw==; Received: from c-69-243-228-233.hsd1.fl.comcast.net ([69.243.228.233]:51396 helo=BarneysPC.mgaguru.com) by box5291.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmp6l-003kd2-J6; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 20:26:07 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 22:25:48 -0500 To: S.Carr ,MGs From: Barney Gaylord References: <2145325897.39869.1637017817033@epix.net> please include it with any abuse report [69.243.228.233]:51396 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB exhaust manifold Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5664706729490825852== boundary="=====================_48507406==.ALT" --=====================_48507406==.ALT Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The casting number is commonly one digit=20 different from the final part number. I think=20 they made the finished part drawing first, then=20 made a copy of it to modify the drawing to show=20 more material on the casting before=20 machining. When assigning drawing numbers, the=20 finished part number was first followed by the=20 casting number. Some castings can be machined=20 differently to make different finished parts (with different part numbers). Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com At 06:10 PM 11/15/2021, S.Carr wrote: >The Moss catalog lists two different part=20 >numbers for the stock cast-iron=20 >manifold=97depending on the years fitted=97but the=20 >drawings look idendentical.=C2 Can anyone supply=20 >the casting numbers for each?=C2 We don=E2=80=99t know what we have. > >Thanks in advance, >Sarah Carr >BN1 in PA >.... --=====================_48507406==.ALT Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The casting number is commonly one digit different from the final part number. I think they made the finished part drawing first, then made a copy of it to modify the drawing to show more material on the casting before machining. When assigning drawing numbers, the finished part number was first followed by the casting number. Some castings can be machined differently to make different finished parts (with different part numbers).

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attitude
http://MGAguru.com

At 06:10 PM 11/15/2021, S.Carr wrote:

The Moss catalog lists two different part numbers for the stock cast-iron manifold=97depending on the years fitted=97but the drawings look idendentical.=C2 Can anyone suppl= y the casting numbers for each?=C2 We don=E2=80=99t know what we= have.

Thanks in advance,
Sarah Carr
BN1 in PA
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S14-MBX11-13.S14.local ([fe80::b1fc:fc86:cc58:bfa6%15]) with mapi id 15.01.2375.017; Tue, 30 Nov 2021 20:10:56 -0500 From: dave northrup To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: 1973 MGB roadster Thread-Index: AdfmQeFoXSMGOM05Qz+V3IMW6Cjnsg== Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 01:10:56 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.40.134.241] x-routingagent: Treated Subject: [Mgs] 1973 MGB roadster Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8050427931456971699== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_65c71d32ab7d495ea8f56c1a0005bb66ranteercom_" --_000_65c71d32ab7d495ea8f56c1a0005bb66ranteercom_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Haven't had it too long. Seemed to be running ok; had transmission problem= s so we swapped out for a good one. Just had a very knowledgeable friend set the timing and the carbs and the c= hoke adjustment. Pull the choke all the way out and it starts ok; but seems to backfire a bi= t, especially when cold. After it warms up you can push the choke back in = and it runs and idles ok except it seems to have a loss of power in the 300= 0 + rpm range, and does occasionally still backfire. Has a Pertronix but other than that seems pretty stock including the air pu= mp. Tends to run on a bit after you turn it off. --_000_65c71d32ab7d495ea8f56c1a0005bb66ranteercom_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Haven’t had it too long. Seemed to be ru= nning ok; had transmission problems so we swapped out for a good one.<= /o:p>

Just had a very knowledgeable friend set the timing = and the carbs and the choke adjustment.

Pull the choke all the way out and it starts ok; but= seems to backfire a bit, especially when cold. After it warms up you= can push the choke back in and it runs and idles ok except it seems to hav= e a loss of power in the 3000 + rpm range, and does occasionally still backfire.

Has a Pertronix but other than that seems pretty sto= ck including the air pump. Tends to run on a bit after you turn it of= f.

--_000_65c71d32ab7d495ea8f56c1a0005bb66ranteercom_-- --===============8050427931456971699== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============8050427931456971699==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 30 23:23:27 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8BBA10E0 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2021 23:23:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from gateway31.websitewelcome.com (unknown [192.185.144.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0EBA10B5 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2021 23:21:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from cm14.websitewelcome.com (cm14.websitewelcome.com [100.42.49.7]) by gateway31.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A859C12A4D for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2021 00:21:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from box5291.bluehost.com ([162.241.225.207]) by cmsmtp with SMTP id sIzwmo0FF17JKsIzwmK4L8; Wed, 01 Dec 2021 00:21:44 -0600 ; s=default; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:From: To:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Message-ID:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=g/3YmOUENJ4clmdeEvlox4uffF/Rv34rnXWnvm6DvFI=; b=Dps1xRRDd7q4vRc9h8625pIqGP dPFBzXaIq3cz+0x4V9lE0NigHYlvl+eJZJoCQckNbh4F7+anu7sfjq8+5/GgK/EqfRFaOtrh7VWk8 Jt5P0nSNX2czYOhI2D2ZlBD3ipa/Sssgmd1OD4hPUc06oHUyjHkZP3gUr6lOXGgGsaCaKRVJE92EW xoOk47dXnMJduWPxUQTRUSAPH2+sn2oANN+F6khsTpztCsZi0yyhnR/zjNK4NGg5SfrdGVofnh+CX QqbxWm2orO5oiKI1WjqUMsb2ZIauftxozUv9T1ng31zvw1SqAfDdVj/hybqYUoWHo9yfOqFOO7EiS 7i1gcWog==; Received: from 107-203-219-143.lightspeed.dybhfl.sbcglobal.net ([107.203.219.143]:57954 helo=BarneysPC.mgaguru.com) by box5291.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1msIzw-001cRU-DM; Tue, 30 Nov 2021 23:21:44 -0700 Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2021 01:21:24 -0500 To: dave northrup , "mgs@autox.team.net" From: Barney Gaylord References: <65c71d32ab7d495ea8f56c1a0005bb66@ranteer.com> please include it with any abuse report (BarneysPC.mgaguru.com) [107.203.219.143]:57954 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1973 MGB roadster Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0296951505156084868== boundary="=====================_30495781==.ALT" --=====================_30495781==.ALT The '73 MGB should have JIF carburetors, carbon canister and anti-run-on valve (also air pimp and gulp valve). If ll is in place, the ARO valve should prevent run-on when switched off. With backfire and low power at road speed, you may have a vacuum leak of lean fuel condition. Tell us what is not installed exactly as original. Has the throttle valve poppets been soldered shut? Missing air pump or gulp valve? Missing of disconnected carbon canister or ARO valve? Is distributor vacuum advanve working? At 08:10 PM 11/30/2021, dave northrup wrote: >.... >Haven't had it too long. Seemed to be running ok; had transmission >problems so we swapped out for a good one. > >Just had a very knowledgeable friend set the timing and the carbs >and the choke adjustment. > >Pull the choke all the way out and it starts ok; but seems to >backfire a bit, especially when cold. After it warms up you can >push the choke back in and it runs and idles ok except it seems to >have a loss of power in the 3000 + rpm range, and does occasionally >still backfire. > >Has a Pertronix but other than that seems pretty stock including the >air pump. Tends to run on a bit after you turn it off. >.... --=====================_30495781==.ALT The '73 MGB should have JIF carburetors, carbon canister and anti-run-on valve (also air pimp and gulp valve). If ll is in place, the ARO valve should prevent run-on when switched off. With backfire and low power at road speed, you may have a vacuum leak of lean fuel condition. Tell us what is not installed exactly as original. Has the throttle valve poppets been soldered shut? Missing air pump or gulp valve? Missing of disconnected carbon canister or ARO valve? Is distributor vacuum advanve working?

At 08:10 PM 11/30/2021, dave northrup wrote:

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Haven�t had it too long. Seemed to be running ok; had transmission problems so we swapped out for a good one.

Just had a very knowledgeable friend set the timing and the carbs and the choke adjustment.

Pull the choke all the way out and it starts ok; but seems to backfire a bit, especially when cold. After it warms up you can push the choke back in and it runs and idles ok except it seems to have a loss of power in the 3000 + rpm range, and does occasionally still backfire.

Has a Pertronix but other than that seems pretty stock including the air pump. Tends to run on a bit after you turn it off.
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