From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 6 08:29:34 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A876A0FEE for ; Fri, 6 May 2022 08:29:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.nrtc.syn-alias.com (unknown [129.213.214.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA276A072B for ; Wed, 4 May 2022 13:25:38 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: smtp01.nrtc.email-ash1.sync.lan smtp.user=; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [69.168.40.29] ([69.168.40.29:56673] helo=DESKTOPJS2LTI4) by mail.informnet.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 4.4.0.19839 r(msys-ecelerity:tags/4.4.0.0^0)) with ESMTPA id 3A/DC-14816-133D2726; Wed, 04 May 2022 15:25:37 -0400 From: To: "'John DiFede'" , "'Robert Rutherford'" References: <661B54CB-60CC-439C-B7B4-F86C83CFBE5C@ucalgary.ca> <85DFECF2-AEE7-4C47-B8BC-530346060E71@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 15:25:37 -0400 Thread-Index: AQKH6Tlz3pkuaF5E8K2BYYk7RksZfQIp2TvQq56xfKA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] Coughing, spitting, and dying Cc: MGB-V8@autox.team.net, 'MG Digest' Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============4526485528748297418== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01D85FCB.35305770" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01D85FCB.35305770 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To all of you who responded to my cry for help, THANK YOU so much for = your suggestions. As it turns out, the root cause of the problem was = timing. The stock distributor had been upgraded several years ago to a = Pertronix electronic module which had worked itself loose inside the = distributor causing the timing to become erratic. Tugging on the leads = to the coil would cause the engine to increase its RPMs and run = smoothly. Pushing them back into the distributor reintroduced the = backfire and coughing.=20 =20 Thanks again for everyone=E2=80=99s help. =20 Jim =20 From: Mgs On Behalf Of John DiFede Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 7:28 AM To: Robert Rutherford Cc: MGB-V8@autox.team.net; MG Digest Subject: Re: [Mgs] Coughing, spitting, and dying =20 Sounds like a fuel problem. The Edelbrock 1404 is a simple carburetor = to work on as it is a copy of the Carter AFB carb used since the = 60=E2=80=99s. Is your choke set properly when cold and hot? The AFB = used a mechanical fuel pump- make sure that facet pump you=E2=80=99re = using has the correct fuel pressure for the AFB. Also check your = vacuum. Is the vacuum reading steady or is the gauge needle fluctuating = back and forth? You may have a vacuum leak affecting fuel mixture. = When the engine is cold and the choke is on you have a rich mixture = allowing the engine to run poorly. Once the choke opens the mixture = goes lean due to the vacuum leak possibly leading to your motor = stalling. =20 Sent from my iPhone=20 On Apr 23, 2022, at 11:10 PM, Robert Rutherford = http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: = = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/rrutherf@ucalgary.ca _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/difejo1@gmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01D85FCB.35305770 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To all of you who responded to = my cry for help, THANK YOU so much for your suggestions. As it turns = out, the root cause of the problem was timing. The stock distributor had = been upgraded several years ago to a Pertronix electronic module which = had worked itself loose inside the distributor causing the timing to = become erratic. Tugging on the leads to the coil would cause the engine = to increase its RPMs and run smoothly. Pushing them back into the = distributor reintroduced the backfire and coughing.

 

Thanks again = for everyone=E2=80=99s help.

 

Jim

 

From: Mgs = <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of John = DiFede
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 7:28 AM
To: = Robert Rutherford <rrutherf@ucalgary.ca>
Cc: = MGB-V8@autox.team.net; MG Digest = <mgs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Coughing, = spitting, and dying

 

Sounds like a fuel problem.  The = Edelbrock 1404 is a simple carburetor to work on as it is a copy of the = Carter AFB carb used since the 60=E2=80=99s.  Is your choke set = properly when cold and hot?   The AFB used a mechanical fuel pump- = make sure that facet pump you=E2=80=99re using has the correct fuel = pressure for the AFB.  Also check your vacuum.  Is the vacuum = reading steady or is the gauge needle fluctuating back and forth?   = You may have a vacuum leak affecting fuel mixture.  When the engine = is cold and the choke is on you have a rich mixture allowing the engine = to run poorly.  Once the choke opens the mixture goes lean due to = the vacuum leak possibly leading to your motor stalling. =  

Sent from my = iPhone 



On Apr 23, 2022, at 11:10 PM, Robert = Rutherford <rrutherf@ucalgary.ca> = wrote:

=EF=BB=BF Coughs, spits, dies - sounds like Covid to = me.



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Sounds more = like a carb/fuel issue to me. Can=E2=80=99t see how it would be = electrical.

Sent from = my iPad



On Apr 21, = 2022, at 11:58 AM, jimray@hartcom.net wrote:

=EF=BB=BF =

Have an 80 MGB = V8 conversion that has developed a problem I can=E2=80=99t get my hands = around. When cold it coughs and sputters when first starting up and when = warm will not run at idle without stalling after several minutes. = Thinking it might be an electrical issue, I replaced the plugs, plug = wires, distributor cap, coil, and battery. It has a PerTronix Ignitor = module installed which I did not replace. The battery shows 12.7 volts = on my meter. The alternator is producing 14.6 volts at ~1500 RPMs and = 14.3 under load. Fuel is fed to an Edelbrock 1404 carburetor via a Facet = electric pump with new filters in the line at the pump and just before = the carburetor. I use 93 octane non-ethanol gas. I appreciate any = thoughts or suggestions you may have.

 

Jim = Ray

 

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As it turns out, the root cause of the problem was timing. The= stock distributor had been upgraded several years ago to a Pertronix elect= ronic module which had worked itself loose inside the distributor causing t= he timing to become erratic. Tugging on the leads to the coil would cause t= he engine to increase its RPMs and run smoothly. Pushing them back into the= distributor reintroduced the backfire and coughing. Thanks again for everyone=E2=80=99s help. Jim On Behalf Of John DiFede Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Coughing, spitting, and dying Sounds like a fuel problem. The Edelbrock 1404 is a simple carburetor to w= ork on as it is a copy of the Carter AFB carb used since the 60=E2=80=99s. = Is your choke set properly when cold and hot? The AFB used a mechanical = fuel pump- make sure that facet pump you=E2=80=99re using has the correct f= uel pressure for the AFB. Also check your vacuum. Is the vacuum reading s= teady or is the gauge needle fluctuating back and forth? You may have a v= acuum leak affecting fuel mixture. When the engine is cold and the choke i= s on you have a rich mixture allowing the engine to run poorly. Once the c= hoke opens the mixture goes lean due to the vacuum leak possibly leading to= your motor stalling. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 23, 2022, at 11:10 PM, Robert Rutherford > wrote: =EF=BB=BF Coughs, spits, dies - sounds like Covid to me. ic.net> > wrote: [=E2=96=B3EXTERNAL] Sounds more like a carb/fuel issue to me. Can=E2=80=99t see how it would be= electrical. Sent from my iPad > wrote: =EF=BB=BF Have an 80 MGB V8 conversion that has developed a problem I can=E2=80=99t g= et my hands around. When cold it coughs and sputters when first starting up= and when warm will not run at idle without stalling after several minutes.= Thinking it might be an electrical issue, I replaced the plugs, plug wires= , distributor cap, coil, and battery. It has a PerTronix Ignitor module ins= talled which I did not replace. The battery shows 12.7 volts on my meter. T= he alternator is producing 14.6 volts at ~1500 RPMs and 14.3 under load. Fu= el is fed to an Edelbrock 1404 carburetor via a Facet electric pump with ne= w filters in the line at the pump and just before the carburetor. I use 93 = octane non-ethanol gas. I appreciate any thoughts or suggestions you may ha= ve. Jim Ray _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail= /mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/rrutherf@ucalgary.ca _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/difejo1@gmail.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01D862B0.43404040 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Verzonden= : Wednesday, 4 May 2022 21:26
Aan: 'John DiFede' <difejo1@= gmail.com>; 'Robert Rutherford' <rrutherf@ucalgary.ca>
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Onde= rwerp: Re: [Mgs] Coughing, spitting, and dying

 

To all of you who responded to my cry for help, THANK YOU so much = for your suggestions. As it turns out, the root cause of the problem was ti= ming. The stock distributor had been upgraded several years ago to a Pertro= nix electronic module which had worked itself loose inside the distributor = causing the timing to become erratic. Tugging on the leads to the coil woul= d cause the engine to increase its RPMs and run smoothly. Pushing them back= into the distributor reintroduced the backfire and coughing.

 

Thanks again for everyone=E2=80= =99s help.

 

Jim

 

From: Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of John DiFede
= Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 7:28 AM
To: Robert Rutherford= <rrutherf@ucalgary.ca>Cc: MGB-V8@autox.team.net= ; MG Digest <mgs@autox.team.ne= t>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Coughing, spitting, and dying

&nb= sp;

Sounds like a fuel problem.  The Edelbrock 1404 is a s= imple carburetor to work on as it is a copy of the Carter AFB carb used sin= ce the 60=E2=80=99s.  Is your choke set properly when cold and hot? &n= bsp; The AFB used a mechanical fuel pump- make sure that facet pump you=E2= =80=99re using has the correct fuel pressure for the AFB.  Also check = your vacuum.  Is the vacuum reading steady or is the gauge needle fluc= tuating back and forth?   You may have a vacuum leak affecting fuel mi= xture.  When the engine is cold and the choke is on you have a rich mi= xture allowing the engine to run poorly.  Once the choke opens the mix= ture goes lean due to the vacuum leak possibly leading to your motor stalli= ng.  

Sent from my iPhone 

 

On Apr 23, = 2022, at 11:10 PM, Robert Rutherford <rrutherf@ucalgary.ca> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF Coughs, spits, dies - sounds = like Covid to me.

 

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 <= /p>

[=E2=96= =B3EXTE= RNAL]

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Sounds more like a = carb/fuel issue to me. Can=E2=80=99t see how it would be electrical.

Sent from my iPad<= /span>

 

On = Apr 21, 2022, at 11:58 AM, = jimray@hartcom.net wrote:

=

=EF=BB=BF

Have an 80 MGB V8 conversion that has developed a problem I = can=E2=80=99t get my hands around. When cold it coughs and sputters when fi= rst starting up and when warm will not run at idle without stalling after s= everal minutes. Thinking it might be an electrical issue, I replaced the pl= ugs, plug wires, distributor cap, coil, and battery. It has a PerTronix Ign= itor module installed which I did not replace. The battery shows 12.7 volts= on my meter. The alternator is producing 14.6 volts at ~1500 RPMs and 14.3= under load. Fuel is fed to an Edelbrock 1404 carburetor via a Facet electr= ic pump with new filters in the line at the pump and just before the carbur= etor. I use 93 octane non-ethanol gas. I appreciate any thoughts or suggest= ions you may have.

 =

Jim Ray

 

 

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mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------fJmRsXAVtL0LXNCOz21FXQty Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Steve - I fully agree with PaulH. Though the switch may now be compromised but it's highly unlikely it was the cause. The cause is a short circuit in the green/white (G/W) wire. Though there is no fuse indicated in the wiring diagrams for the car there may be one in the lead from the radio to the bullet connector of the G/W wire. If there is a fuse and it is not blown then the short is between the fuse and the ignition switch. The G/W does not go through the firewall. There are some mildly sharp edges in the steering wheel supports that the wires run near - could be rubbing caused it or more likely someone working on the radio pulled it a bit much. Also - having had a few ignition switches apart the way it is built it would be very hard for it to be misaligned. What can happen is where the shaft from the key mechanism can wear the plastic of the actual switch and cause it to not connect properly - the "If I wiggle it it works" or "If I wiggle it it doesn't work" syndrome. I would replace the switch - after you find the problem. Last week I just purchased an aftermarket switch for my b - BPNorthwest has it for under $20, part number BHA5292. Here's my comments on what connects to what and why - I'm doing this to help anyone trouble shooting and ignition switch and also to reinforce it in my head. Brown (Br) wire is the 12v feed and is always hot. Slate is the anti-run on - power only when the key is off. G/W is accessory and running. The radio is connected to G/W so you can turn the radio on without the car running. White (W) is to the fuel pump (inertia switch first), overdrive, ignition system (with ignition relay on later models) and it feeds the Green wire going to most instruments, turn signals and the like. Red/white (R/W) is the power to the starter relay, seat belt module, hand brake, alternator warning lamp. On some models this wire doesn't go directly to the starter relay - it goes to the seat belt module so you can't start the car without buckling your seat belt :) Purple is the connection to the horn - it works opposite of the other wires - in the end of the connector coming from under the dash it is always 12v. The purple wire from the connect on the switch should go to ground when the horn is pressed. Here's a table of what should connect when on the switch. Position 1 is off, then progressively 2 is accessory, 3 is running, 4 is starting. You can test the switch by disconnecting the plug under the dash - connect one side of a meter or powered continuity tester to the brown wire and checking each of the other wires. Where there is an X you should get a connection. If not, the switch is bad. If you get a connection on a spot that does not have an X the switch is bad. Position     S  G/W    W     R/W   Br    Purple ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1            |  X |        |      |        |    X  |           | 2            |     |   X   |      |        |    X  |           | 3            |     |   X   |  X  |        |    X  |           | 4            |     |        |  X  |   X   |    X  |           | leon ... https://leonsmgb.com On 5/27/22 3:55 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > The wire is smoking because whatever it's feeding is shorted to earth, > so you will have to follow that wire to the radio.  If you have a fuse > in the wire going into the radio then it's not the radio itself or > that would have blown.  Assuming there IS a fuse in there and not a > nail or something.  If no fuse then it could be the radio so > disconnect it and try again, and if it still smokes the short is > between that point and the visible melting of the white/green. > > It's not the switch that is faulty in this respect, although having > been feeding a short-circuit the contacts in the switch may have been > damaged.  It does sound as if the switch is iffy as well, maybe > because of the short having been present in the past. So you need to > find and fix the short before changing the switch or you are likely to > damage that switch as well.  That wire should only go from the switch > to the centre console for the radio ending at a bullet connector, it > doesn't go via the engine compartment. > > PaulH. > > > On 25/05/2022 01:52, Steve Shoyer wrote: >> Hi - the radio in my 1980 MGB had been flaky for a while.  It would >> work with the key in the accessory position but not in the run >> position.  I could wiggle the key backwards and the radio would come >> on, but if I wiggled too far the engine would turn off.  I assumed >> that the ignition switch wasn't positioned properly but as long as I >> could get it to work I forgot about it by the time I got home. >> >> Until the radio wouldn't work at all.  No power was going to it. I >> tried to trace the white-green circuit and found that the white-green >> wire was melted about 2" from the ignition switch harness connector >> and the insulation had bonded the white-green to the other wires in >> the bundle.  The other wires didn't seem to be damaged, and I was >> able to peel the wires apart without any problem.  I repaired the >> burned section of white-green and tried it again, this time resulting >> smoke coming from the steering column.  The white-green wire had >> melted along most of its length. >> >> I had a spare ignition switch (not sure of its history, but maybe it >> came from a parts car) and swapped it in.  Strangely, it had a splice >> on the white-green wire near the connector.  It also started smoking. >> >> I tried to check the old spare switch (before it melted) to see how >> the switch worked but I didn't learn anything.  I also tried to see >> if there was voltage on any of the wires in the connector that mates >> with the ignition switch, thinking that power comes into the switch >> on the brown wire and is distributed to the other wires depending on >> the switch's position.  I grounded the black lead of my multimeter to >> the chassis and started looking for DC voltage on the other wires.  >> At first I didn't see anything, but when I touched one of the wires >> (I think white-red) the starter kicked in.  I stopped there. >> >> Any ideas as to what might be causing the wire to melt?  I didn't see >> any obvious problems with the wiring harness in the engine >> compartment, but it's very possible that I missed something. Also, >> when replacing the ignition switch, should I get an aftermarket >> switch or the Lucas switch?  The Lucas switch is about twice the cost >> of aftermarket so I'm leaning toward the aftermarket switch, >> especially if it might just burn up as soon as it's installed. >> >> Another odd thing is that the car ran fine when the radio wasn't >> working at all.  I didn't get smoke from the wiring, although by then >> the white-green wire was burned away before it left the ignition >> switch harness. >> >> Thanks. >> >> --Steve (1980 MGB) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation  $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/paulhunt73@virginmedia.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > 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(Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EBDCA0668 for ; Fri, 27 May 2022 10:01:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.zaksmail.com (unknown [45.33.68.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1456CA021F for ; Fri, 27 May 2022 09:59:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from authenticated-user (mail.zaksmail.com [45.33.68.14]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.zaksmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 96D1C40DE7 for ; Fri, 27 May 2022 11:59:07 -0400 (EDT) t=1653667147; bh=LGUhTqEJ0Nt+8bVFJ38QPCYr+9QfJMeImLgSmmkEm+Q=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=F3myc2jK9kQe39rtcP2EamU70LOkQ1/1Gsb1S/DBQIQ1yDlUTL8zwddjZvjOv4fZf oA+06MOCLD0y6Edpce4Wr0xd9n23aLtPEOyPAeM57oT5sJAAYGq35xeuw/1BocYQRo u4wPxkZ+cdjD7vzsuZD3Ol3zXxUccOxjPacRQQgr8veCzQzf6lr04LeaEpWYsBNWBr 5OV7xj+QE6p8xhxWNbNl5AvROcvZeTu9wByoT1x0FWDLEuRGxLYVZhd8sbQ6exLeFS 2o9tXIGRzquJFasX4u2tb591l6li3FpvPYaHrgD3ctZgYwrT/wxJSD4ZsI7fz7gYkL WnUp0jpyYTSXg== Date: Fri, 27 May 2022 11:59:07 -0400 Content-Language: en-US To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <661B54CB-60CC-439C-B7B4-F86C83CFBE5C@ucalgary.ca> <85DFECF2-AEE7-4C47-B8BC-530346060E71@gmail.com> <001a01d8629f$7fb54d60$7f1fe820$@planet.nl> <40e6593a-e23f-523c-82a8-9737a051d61e@shoyer.com> <3fb16c40-ff3b-c4de-69a8-cb413999343f@virginmedia.com> From: "leon@zaks.com" Subject: Re: [Mgs] 80B, melted white-green wire from ignition switch Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0MGghwkfUOA4KnjNMoEm4GL0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit agreed. On 5/27/22 11:41 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > Some amendments: > > White/red (not red/white, that is instrument illumination) from the > ignition switch is for the starter.  The alternator warning lamp has a > white wire from the ignition switch. > > Purple/pink on the ignition switch, not purple, for the 'key in, door > open' warning and is at earth/ground when the key is in. Purple is the > fused always hot supply from the fusebox to horns, courtesy lights, > headlamp flasher etc. but not associated with the ignition switch. > > PaulH. > > On 27/05/2022 16:09, leon@zaks.com wrote: >> Steve - I fully agree with PaulH. Though the switch may now be >> compromised but it's highly unlikely it was the cause. The cause is a >> short circuit in the green/white (G/W) wire. Though there is no fuse >> indicated in the wiring diagrams for the car there may be one in the >> lead from the radio to the bullet connector of the G/W wire. If there >> is a fuse and it is not blown then the short is between the fuse and >> the ignition switch. The G/W does not go through the firewall. >> >> There are some mildly sharp edges in the steering wheel supports that >> the wires run near - could be rubbing caused it or more likely >> someone working on the radio pulled it a bit much. >> >> Also - having had a few ignition switches apart the way it is built >> it would be very hard for it to be misaligned. What can happen is >> where the shaft from the key mechanism can wear the plastic of the >> actual switch and cause it to not connect properly - the "If I wiggle >> it it works" or "If I wiggle it it doesn't work" syndrome. >> >> I would replace the switch - after you find the problem. Last week I >> just purchased an aftermarket switch for my b - BPNorthwest has it >> for under $20, part number BHA5292. >> >> Here's my comments on what connects to what and why - I'm doing this >> to help anyone trouble shooting and ignition switch and also to >> reinforce it in my head. >> >> Brown (Br) wire is the 12v feed and is always hot. >> >> Slate is the anti-run on - power only when the key is off. >> >> G/W is accessory and running. The radio is connected to G/W so you >> can turn the radio on without the car running. >> >> White (W) is to the fuel pump (inertia switch first), overdrive, >> ignition system (with ignition relay on later models) and it feeds >> the Green wire going to most instruments, turn signals and the like. >> >> Red/white (R/W) is the power to the starter relay, seat belt module, >> hand brake, alternator warning lamp. On some models this wire doesn't >> go directly to the starter relay - it goes to the seat belt module so >> you can't start the car without buckling your seat belt :) >> >> Purple is the connection to the horn - it works opposite of the other >> wires - in the end of the connector coming from under the dash it is >> always 12v. The purple wire from the connect on the switch should go >> to ground when the horn is pressed. >> >> Here's a table of what should connect when on the switch. >> Position 1 is off, then progressively 2 is accessory, 3 is running, 4 >> is starting. >> >> You can test the switch by disconnecting the plug under the dash - >> connect one side of a meter or powered continuity tester to the brown >> wire and checking each of the other wires. Where there is an X you >> should get a connection. If not, the switch is bad. If you get a >> connection on a spot that does not have an X the switch is bad. >> >> Position     S  G/W    W     R/W   Br    Purple >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> 1            |  X |        |      |        |    X  |           | >> 2            |     |   X   |      |        |    X  |           | >> 3            |     |   X   |  X  |        |    X  |           | >> 4            |     |        |  X  |   X   |    X  |           | >> >> leon ... >> https://leonsmgb.com >> > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation  $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/leon@zaks.com --------------0MGghwkfUOA4KnjNMoEm4GL0 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="leon.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 bnVsbA== --------------0MGghwkfUOA4KnjNMoEm4GL0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --------------0MGghwkfUOA4KnjNMoEm4GL0-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 28 02:44:56 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E582A0539 for ; Sat, 28 May 2022 02:44:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl (unknown [195.121.94.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 702B7A04F5 for ; Sat, 28 May 2022 02:43:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.kpnmail.nl (unknown [10.31.155.7]) by ewsoutbound.so.kpn.org (Halon) with ESMTPS id c00bf767-de61-11ec-b4ce-005056999439; Sat, 28 May 2022 10:39:55 +0200 (CEST) h=content-type:mime-version:message-id:date:subject:to:from; bh=o/G4rsv0G9Z8IpFkzWzJaftJDZAqAhIKFcXx6hg2agQ=; b=sL+5A1GQOOlLQZANgjCqjct2UIk5g8Jl/hnvdP3ZCqfFUG22obc0I78HjWw5qsYzqr79MC2RkdWuj LwrkcBrfRWVjDAAGgjoaDlrn3mrhBNkSIiR6NZs7yjQDT686HjF3JX5qaRYtxuQGSCRCG5DkJ3KX2V WHcnraZIqzqayTNw= ZxcfHivkb9PWa7aQ30L/8x0HjxrTcg6H6QY2vq0pTnJ0= gSOnX2kLaJFOLAsGoBKGYlA== Received: from MorrisGarages (77-161-98-80.fixed.kpn.net [77.161.98.80]) by smtp.kpnmail.nl (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 35272dbe-de62-11ec-961a-005056998788; Sat, 28 May 2022 10:43:12 +0200 (CEST) From: To: "'Steve Shoyer'" , References: <661B54CB-60CC-439C-B7B4-F86C83CFBE5C@ucalgary.ca> <85DFECF2-AEE7-4C47-B8BC-530346060E71@gmail.com> <001a01d8629f$7fb54d60$7f1fe820$@planet.nl> <40e6593a-e23f-523c-82a8-9737a051d61e@shoyer.com> Date: Sat, 28 May 2022 10:43:13 +0200 Thread-Index: AQKH6Tlz3pkuaF5E8K2BYYk7RksZfQIp2TvQAo4aaSgCAe3MiwIAEoLRq485s9A= Content-Language: en-nl Subject: Re: [Mgs] 80B, melted white-green wire from ignition switch Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============7009095079695440421== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01D8727F.BBAE3940" Content-Language: en-nl This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01D8727F.BBAE3940 boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0033_01D8727F.BBAE6050" ------=_NextPart_001_0033_01D8727F.BBAE6050 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Steve, The burnt wire only is a feed to the radio - see this part of the diagram. It seems, that the radio itself is making a short to ground. Pity two ignition switches have been damaged by this. The problem with MGB=E2=80=99s is that many parts of the wiring are poorly = protected against short circuits. Another radio is easy to find I think. If you want to preserve the radio because of originality, it should be repa= ired. Hope this helps. Cheers, Hans 71 BGT -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Mgs Namens Steve Shoyer Verzonden: Wednesday, 25 May 2022 02:53 Aan: mgs@autox.team.net Onderwerp: [Mgs] 80B, melted white-green wire from ignition switch Hi - the radio in my 1980 MGB had been flaky for a while. It would work wi= th the key in the accessory position but not in the run position. I could = wiggle the key backwards and the radio would come on, but if I wiggled too = far the engine would turn off. I assumed that the ignition switch wasn't p= ositioned properly but as long as I could get it to work I forgot about it = by the time I got home. Until the radio wouldn't work at all. No power was going to it. I tried to= trace the white-green circuit and found that the white-green wire was melt= ed about 2" from the ignition switch harness connector and the insulation h= ad bonded the white-green to the other wires in the bundle. The other wires= didn't seem to be damaged, and I was able to peel the wires apart without = any problem. I repaired the burned section of white-green and tried it aga= in, this time resulting smoke coming from the steering column. The white-g= reen wire had melted along most of its length. I had a spare ignition switch (not sure of its history, but maybe it came f= rom a parts car) and swapped it in. Strangely, it had a splice on the whit= e-green wire near the connector. It also started smoking. I tried to check the old spare switch (before it melted) to see how the swi= tch worked but I didn't learn anything. I also tried to see if there was v= oltage on any of the wires in the connector that mates with the ignition sw= itch, thinking that power comes into the switch on the brown wire and is di= stributed to the other wires depending on the switch's position. I grounde= d the black lead of my multimeter to the chassis and started looking for DC= voltage on the other wires. At first I didn't see anything, but when I to= uched one of the wires (I think white-red) the starter kicked in. I stoppe= d there. Any ideas as to what might be causing the wire to melt? I didn't see any o= bvious problems with the wiring harness in the engine compartment, but it's= very possible that I missed something. Also, when replacing the ignition s= witch, should I get an aftermarket switch or the Lucas switch? The Lucas s= witch is about twice the cost of aftermarket so I'm leaning toward the afte= rmarket switch, especially if it might just burn up as soon as it's install= ed. Another odd thing is that the car ran fine when the radio wasn't working at= all. I didn't get smoke from the wiring, although by then the white-green= wire was burned away before it left the ignition switch harness. Thanks. --Steve (1980 MGB) _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail= /mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/h.duinhoven@planet.nl -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------=_NextPart_001_0033_01D8727F.BBAE6050 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<= p class=3DMsoPlainText>Hi Steve,

 

The burnt wire only is a feed to the r= adio - see this part of the diagram.

 

It seems, that the radio itself is making a sho= rt to ground.

Pity two ignition switches have been damaged by this.=

 

=

The problem with MGB=E2=80=99s i= s that many parts of the wiring are poorly protected against short circuits= =2E

Another= radio is easy to find I think.

If you want to preserve the radio because of originali= ty, it should be repaired.

 

Hope this helps.

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Cheers,

Hans

71 BGT

 

 

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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces@auto= x.team.net> Namens Steve Shoyer
Verzonden: Wednesday, 25 May 2022 02:= 53
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Onderwerp: [Mgs] 80B, melted white-green w= ire from ignition switch

 

Hi - the radio in my 1980 MGB had been flaky f= or a while.  It would work with the key in the accessory position but = not in the run position.  I could wiggle the key backwards and the rad= io would come on, but if I wiggled too far the engine would turn off. = I assumed that the ignition switch wasn't positioned properly but as long = as I could get it to work I forgot about it by the time I got home.

 

Until the radio wouldn't work at all.  No power was going to it. I tr= ied to trace the white-green circuit and found that the white-green wire wa= s melted about 2" from the ignition switch harness connector and the i= nsulation had bonded the white-green to the other wires in the bundle. The = other wires didn't seem to be damaged, and I was able to peel the wires apa= rt without any problem.  I repaired the burned section of white-green = and tried it again, this time resulting smoke coming from the steering colu= mn.  The white-green wire had melted along most of its length.

 

I had a spare ignition switch (not sure of its history, but maybe it came = from a parts car) and swapped it in.  Strangely, it had a splice on th= e white-green wire near the connector.  It also started smoking.<= /o:p>

 

I tried to check the old spare switch (before it melted) to see how the = switch worked but I didn't learn anything.  I also tried to see if the= re was voltage on any of the wires in the connector that mates with the ign= ition switch, thinking that power comes into the switch on the brown wire a= nd is distributed to the other wires depending on the switch's position.&nb= sp; I grounded the black lead of my multimeter to the chassis and started l= ooking for DC voltage on the other wires.  At first I didn't see anyth= ing, but when I touched one of the wires (I think white-red) the starter ki= cked in.  I stopped there.

=  

Any ideas as to what might be causi= ng the wire to melt?  I didn't see any obvious problems with the wirin= g harness in the engine compartment, but it's very possible that I missed s= omething. Also, when replacing the ignition switch, should I get an afterma= rket switch or the Lucas switch?  The Lucas switch is about twice the = cost of aftermarket so I'm leaning toward the aftermarket switch, especiall= y if it might just burn up as soon as it's installed.

 

Another odd t= hing is that the car ran fine when the radio wasn't working at all.  I= didn't get smoke from the wiring, although by then the white-green wire wa= s burned away before it left the ignition switch harness.

 

Thanks.

 

--Steve (1980 MGB)

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MG MGB Roadster on BaT Thread-Index: AdhyoP+jJt25FKw1QBGYztBzf1xKXw== Date: Sat, 28 May 2022 20:20:20 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.40.134.226] x-routingagent: Treated Subject: [Mgs] 1972 MG MGB Roadster on BaT Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8380643385977454932== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_9a4c9f654b8b4cc786b3be563207199franteercom_" --_000_9a4c9f654b8b4cc786b3be563207199franteercom_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-mg-mgb-41/ my adult son is selling his car; we are working on an MGA. 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my adult son is selling his car; we are working on a= n MGA.  Its as nice as it looks

--_000_9a4c9f654b8b4cc786b3be563207199franteercom_-- --===============8380643385977454932== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============8380643385977454932==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 31 02:14:21 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A783BA1044 for ; Tue, 31 May 2022 02:14:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (unknown [74.208.4.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19360A0E88 for ; Tue, 31 May 2022 02:08:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.25.5.219] ([108.49.151.49]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus004 [74.208.5.2]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mi1in-1nHxLV26Ij-00e7WW for ; Tue, 31 May 2022 10:08:56 +0200 Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 04:08:55 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.9.1 Content-Language: en-US From: Steve Shoyer To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <661B54CB-60CC-439C-B7B4-F86C83CFBE5C@ucalgary.ca> <85DFECF2-AEE7-4C47-B8BC-530346060E71@gmail.com> <001a01d8629f$7fb54d60$7f1fe820$@planet.nl> <40e6593a-e23f-523c-82a8-9737a051d61e@shoyer.com> wMqo3iCFyac8MfSCYoCtDjI1A/1P+BF2wmV+2f72O98e3ZKwyBdRav5sU3RhEsZRtP7MVrX FvX+136n7+ihfhn2dIx3vNjE8Wh+JTUKahZRhg/lVKhr3H4C/cO/bYoyfRMho4vzA6WYhEo w69kcxMMVzMily8A76qkA== orohlbx8XT91s8FSsIAQYpiAHQJ6jyuNz/Itz6+L04g4+UrEQmuq4PvkJxEIdNPNNdprj62KJ NKKLQz4odZO1raDykwxo1cOihvljy+ntLPG/tL1vwuVDJJg8KgzSUPUPOolkVDPEe/a+qNiA8 idvBR6inmFBRcsvtXF3xF/7jh0Noa3mPheclhxlYl1S2BrMEg6ZLCXBaSIDJM9khiCp9vqpe9 FUe6PiSeirQjM/GkJUCOKZWXfGxF1CKqQYlmQJtZcwsPqcdoY5iZX1l2jrzRpEbUgjMve5POg nX7N6XfLQYfziHftHB1F0GSfJC8mqvcQ5WSrPonTD098TDs30e4KkGBJGnxrqzppUUKg8q63s YJvznmN2e9cTdC5fwPeqvzL8P0sHZIX0So0/om7b2gE1MYnCxfCHiTF5lR+CVc+00+MmMO0ls tni0HxL0z2hXyJKfgRNEb13laUgEYqbXxwYtpW+rglbCI8fd+BgXpfEcp63RXQurAV+U02voR poC8NTkka6yxapUmQosYxVi90aK3vj1VHhQKG/qHI/jTeAMEt3I0nVtZryzAsFPIRAiGRpq8/ a5iGNU+Mbuxf7vFvT2qB1UW6y0kavPT+gDjkPjHwqRKgXfM6+U92SIB2ETyE26e1oRqXRw+er xoNjWzDEVHkBpaLDFVnYMxICeqUYCi9B9X3XDYV6OzFRdfHTVqtmmHMYCtl+2+F/ew8Kw3HyP VkMWLAgWf8Q9NvReR9xLUfVWGbdRezrLqmXCog== Subject: Re: [Mgs] 80B, melted white-green wire from ignition switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net VGhhbmtzIHRvIGV2ZXJ5b25lIHdobyByZXBsaWVkIHRvIG15IHF1ZXN0aW9uLsKgIEkgdGhpbmsg SSB1bmRlcnN0YW5kIAp3aGF0IHByb2JhYmx5IGhhcHBlbmVkLsKgIEkgdGhpbmsgdGhlIGJ1bGxl dCBjb25uZWN0aW9uIGJldHdlZW4gdGhlIAp3aGl0ZS1ncmVlbiBmZWVkIHRvIHRoZSByYWRpbyBh bmQgdGhlIHJhZGlvJ3Mgd2lyaW5nIGhhcm5lc3MgKHdoaWNoIGhhZCAKYW4gaW5saW5lIGZ1c2Up IG11c3QgaGF2ZSBsb29zZW5lZCBhbmQgYWxsb3dlZCB0aGUgYmFyZSBjb25uZWN0b3IgdG8gCnNo b3J0IHRvIGdyb3VuZCwgcG9zc2libHkgb24gdGhlIGhlYXRlciBjb250cm9sIGNhYmxlLiBXaGVu IEkgcmVtb3ZlZCAKdGhlIHJhZGlvLCB0aGVyZSB3YXMgbm8gbG9uZ2VyIGNvbnRpbnVpdHkgYmV0 d2VlbiB0aGUgd2hpdGUtZ3JlZW4gCmNvbm5lY3RvciBjb21pbmcgZnJvbSB0aGUgaWduaXRpb24g c3dpdGNoIGFuZCBncm91bmQuwqAgSSByZXBsYWNlZCB0aGUgCmlnbml0aW9uIHN3aXRjaCB3aXRo IGEgbmV3IGFmdGVybWFya2V0IG9uZSwgYW5kIEkgYWxzbyByZXBsYWNlZCB0aGUgCnJhZGlvLsKg IFRoZSBvbmUgdGhhdCBJIGhhZCBiZWVuIHVzaW5nIHNlZW1lZCBmaW5lLCBidXQgaXQgaGFkIGEg Q0QgCnBsYXllciBzbyBpdCB3YXMgYWJvdXQgNiIgZGVlcC7CoCBJIHBpY2tlZCB1cCBhIG5ldyBv bmUgd2l0aG91dCBhIENEIApwbGF5ZXIgKGEgSmVuc2VuIHVuaXQgd2l0aCBCbHVldG9vdGggZm9y ICQzNikgdGhhdCdzIGxlc3MgdGhhbiAyIiBkZWVwLCAKc28gdGhlcmUncyBhIGxvdCBtb3JlIHJv b20gYmVoaW5kIHRoZSByYWRpbyBhbmQgaXQgc2hvdWxkIGJlIGxlc3MgbGlrZWx5IAp0byBjYXVz ZSBzdHJhaW4gb24gdGhlIHdpcmluZy7CoCBUaGlzIHJhZGlvIHVzZXMgdGhlIHNhbWUgc3R5bGUg b2Ygd2lyaW5nIApoYXJuZXNzIGFzIG15IG9sZCBvbmUgc28gaXQgd2FzIGFuIGVhc3kgc3dhcC7C oCBOb3RoaW5nIG1lbHRlZCB3aGVuIEkgCnRyaWVkIHRoZSBuZXcgc3dpdGNoIGFuZCByYWRpbywg c28gSSB0aGluayBJJ20gZ29vZCBub3cuwqAgSSBtaWdodCB0cnkgdG8gCnVzZSBhIHppcC10aWUg dG8gaG9sZCB0aGUgcmFkaW8gd2lyaW5nIGluIHBsYWNlIGFuZCByZWR1Y2UgdGhlIApwb3NzaWJp bGl0eSBvZiBwdWxsaW5nIHRoZSBwb3dlciBjb25uZWN0aW9uIGFwYXJ0LsKgIEkgcHV0IGluIGEg NUEgZnVzZSAKZm9yIHRoZSBzd2l0Y2hlZCBwb3dlciByYXRoZXIgdGhhbiB0aGUgMTBBIGZ1c2Ug dGhhdCBjYW1lIHdpdGggdGhlIApyYWRpbywgaG9waW5nIHRoYXQgaXQgd291bGQgYmxvdyBxdWlj a2x5IGlmIHRoZXJlIHdhcyBhIHNob3J0IHNvbWV3aGVyZSAKaW4gdGhlIGNpcmN1aXQgdGhhdCBJ IGRpZG4ndCBzZWUuCgotLVN0ZXZlICgxOTgwIE1HQikKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCgpNZ3NAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQKRG9uYXRlOiBodHRw Oi8vd3d3LnRlYW0ubmV0L2RvbmF0ZS5odG1sClN1Z2dlc3RlZCBhbm51YWwgZG9uYXRpb24gICQx Mi43NQoKQXJjaGl2ZTogaHR0cDovL3d3dy50ZWFtLm5ldC9waXBlcm1haWwvbWdzIGh0dHA6Ly9h dXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldC9hcmNoaXZlCgpVbnN1YnNjcmliZTogaHR0cDovL2F1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0 L21haWxtYW4vb3B0aW9ucy9tZ3MvbWhhcmNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQK From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 31 04:13:35 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C19DA105F for ; 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Tue, 31 May 2022 13:49:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl (unknown [195.121.94.186]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44FBA0E2B for ; Tue, 31 May 2022 13:47:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.kpnmail.nl (unknown [10.31.155.6]) by ewsoutbound.so.kpn.org (Halon) with ESMTPS id 1f480552-e11a-11ec-9565-00505699b430; Tue, 31 May 2022 21:44:45 +0200 (CEST) h=content-type:mime-version:message-id:date:subject:to:from; bh=a5u25x4lpRp8K5XFzx0YG5skZ0M7AVTXPeEOZkkfZUM=; b=xmx/hgzYK6PJr0ojjgQOuU48vT4XeC9v0iMNCfBdpj18Whg+xyPINZ9pbjPKycNDXZrKPpLX4djLY rde6LKtLqUh2wwh1CMx8arOhj0Q4eFrh1YjZm/RuL4vgSaM3eu/h8PundvhJ/weW+MWQhVe3TzztvX 2sFF+xMAniMbasuk= MVF0t284948qVHkUlwYmZIg== 8IeytmiYjjuYOXS2uD8hIiA== Received: from MorrisGarages (77-161-98-80.fixed.kpn.net [77.161.98.80]) by smtp.kpnmail.nl (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 727a8899-e11a-11ec-b208-00505699772e; Tue, 31 May 2022 21:47:05 +0200 (CEST) From: To: "'Steve Shoyer'" , References: <661B54CB-60CC-439C-B7B4-F86C83CFBE5C@ucalgary.ca> <85DFECF2-AEE7-4C47-B8BC-530346060E71@gmail.com> <001a01d8629f$7fb54d60$7f1fe820$@planet.nl> <40e6593a-e23f-523c-82a8-9737a051d61e@shoyer.com> <306eddaa-9a8f-cc3f-eb9b-de95980ea17d@shoyer.com> Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 21:47:09 +0200 Thread-Index: AQKH6Tlz3pkuaF5E8K2BYYk7RksZfQIp2TvQAo4aaSgCAe3MiwIAEoLRAVZLU3CrifmxcA== Content-Language: en-nl Subject: Re: [Mgs] 80B, melted white-green wire from ignition switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Oh that darn heater cable again - it made a short in my GT as well after it went lose from its control position! -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Mgs Namens Steve Shoyer Verzonden: Tuesday, 31 May 2022 10:09 Aan: mgs@autox.team.net Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] 80B, melted white-green wire from ignition switch Thanks to everyone who replied to my question. I think I understand what probably happened. I think the bullet connection between the white-green feed to the radio and the radio's wiring harness (which had an inline fuse) must have loosened and allowed the bare connector to short to ground, possibly on the heater control cable. When I removed the radio, there was no longer continuity between the white-green connector coming from the ignition switch and ground. I replaced the ignition switch with a new aftermarket one, and I also replaced the radio. The one that I had been using seemed fine, but it had a CD player so it was about 6" deep. I picked up a new one without a CD player (a Jensen unit with Bluetooth for $36) that's less than 2" deep, so there's a lot more room behind the radio and it should be less likely to cause strain on the wiring. This radio uses the same style of wiring harness as my old one so it was an easy swap. Nothing melted when I tried the new switch and radio, so I think I'm good now. I might try to use a zip-tie to hold the radio wiring in place and reduce the possibility of pulling the power connection apart. I put in a 5A fuse for the switched power rather than the 10A fuse that came with the radio, hoping that it would blow quickly if there was a short somewhere in the circuit that I didn't see. --Steve (1980 MGB) _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/h.duinhoven@planet.nl -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 31 14:08:02 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA67A0E31 for ; Tue, 31 May 2022 14:08:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qt1-f180.google.com (unknown [209.85.160.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39EB7A08FA for ; Tue, 31 May 2022 14:06:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qt1-f180.google.com with SMTP id x20so5780519qtp.8 for ; Tue, 31 May 2022 13:06:32 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=C4paZVt8LVFjITrtt5pK4apOFOpyDcbu6Hed3fpgQ+Q=; b=LDeCg2g+oKCj90tZnP5DanMhUoWlwYccdGQS0TavxYu1DnVUkWOvrWxR3CExxxGCQs 7ix3svSyvA7rgnLtkWHwEovenvfR+cuE7DlAj3+oJbPX29rJ36sfYZrnP3i2ShbqY5oN Ycimdeyfs676qlcikqLbU8/HVR4smqGwXrzh4qzlXwsZb00IiWRlvwogqwMaM5ss5yK9 0HZQYQOkiieFu/XF+aAlqACVNkroEw9s64GAcekm/mQSi0SPNKf9GZVqrorwXMVkVRUL O+klSP6xcxrOeWpvb99nzV1cp/o3RCSvFboH7Hb1AShn/GHSdeHbgBULoWRB0s0S76m8 TDjw== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=C4paZVt8LVFjITrtt5pK4apOFOpyDcbu6Hed3fpgQ+Q=; b=hp+4LLrYF8QEq4sIlsRt+OKiTIAl4GSNV28wNg2ErOXx/12RFEd2lkvyo05k4OLZCf pc2qykz0GU+aqVsKB98XcrV3wCsoHFI3C/4IjFkdzJG99XQbLZYf29iOkEfLYfLX/tbO BOKFu3pSFJaAblwtx4CimLtLSAj5TLNZVb/gzQoEYQM1T6TaQNbDbsBZ82ozVT8+397T XNR8V3LOmZKLNg7aFyQ4sjyzYgn3YFb/zirDzZj4U2uiHKMdsnpC1v8pK27n0ml87E78 E5+jkEWznWLMAHZ6jIM5FAplt/sdit9BeUakDgldQlPKyI4P8jrxI/oqb+kWD91O8Nz/ T4wA== VQ+RbsfRhBzXCsVxQZOS9wc= o16-20020a05622a009000b003031b867238mr10617083qtw.599.1654027591777; Tue, 31 May 2022 13:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] ([32.210.21.102]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m2-20020ae9e702000000b0069fc13ce226sm9472176qka.87.2022.05.31.13.06.30 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 31 May 2022 13:06:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert's New iPad Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 16:06:30 -0400 References: <661B54CB-60CC-439C-B7B4-F86C83CFBE5C@ucalgary.ca> <85DFECF2-AEE7-4C47-B8BC-530346060E71@gmail.com> <001a01d8629f$7fb54d60$7f1fe820$@planet.nl> <40e6593a-e23f-523c-82a8-9737a051d61e@shoyer.com> <306eddaa-9a8f-cc3f-eb9b-de95980ea17d@shoyer.com> <002201d87527$3749fe00$a5ddfa00$@planet.nl> To: h.duinhoven@planet.nl Subject: Re: [Mgs] 80B, melted white-green wire from ignition switch Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fried heater cable is usually because the earth strap(s) from engine to body are not conducting properly. I have two on my GT, and check their fasteners a couple of times each year. Bob > On May 31, 2022, at 3:47 PM, wrote: > > Oh that darn heater cable again - it made a short in my GT as well after it went lose from its control position! > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Mgs Namens Steve Shoyer > Verzonden: Tuesday, 31 May 2022 10:09 > Aan: mgs@autox.team.net > Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] 80B, melted white-green wire from ignition switch > > Thanks to everyone who replied to my question. I think I understand what probably happened. I think the bullet connection between the white-green feed to the radio and the radio's wiring harness (which had an inline fuse) must have loosened and allowed the bare connector to short to ground, possibly on the heater control cable. When I removed the radio, there was no longer continuity between the white-green connector coming from the ignition switch and ground. I replaced the ignition switch with a new aftermarket one, and I also replaced the radio. The one that I had been using seemed fine, but it had a CD player so it was about 6" deep. I picked up a new one without a CD player (a Jensen unit with Bluetooth for $36) that's less than 2" deep, so there's a lot more room behind the radio and it should be less likely to cause strain on the wiring. This radio uses the same style of wiring harness as my old one so it was an easy swap. Nothing melted when I tried the new switch and > radio, so I think I'm good now. I might try to use a zip-tie to hold the radio wiring in place and reduce the possibility of pulling the power connection apart. I put in a 5A fuse for the switched power rather than the 10A fuse that came with the radio, hoping that it would blow quickly if there was a short somewhere in the circuit that I didn't see. > > --Steve (1980 MGB) > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/h.duinhoven@planet.nl > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net