From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 1 01:22:21 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 973A1A0FA8 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2022 01:22:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtpq1.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net (unknown [212.54.57.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C02BA0F95 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2022 01:22:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [212.54.57.106] (helo=csmtp2.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq1.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nwIgH-00043N-ID for mgs@autox.team.net; Wed, 01 Jun 2022 09:22:13 +0200 Received: from [192.168.0.20] ([92.238.208.75]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id wIgHnFqEu7QLywIgHn9o4C; Wed, 01 Jun 2022 09:22:13 +0200 a=MqhfHBIO6+tMHo+zfQPqPA==:117 a=MqhfHBIO6+tMHo+zfQPqPA==:17 a=JPEYwPQDsx4A:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=Nq8lueUtlqUJvTNwk28A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=5o-PE0OaRZfFl9sRcmoA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 s=meg.feb2017; t=1654068133; bh=kSlAU5nS8hZ56wCzPYHfxLUzAaiIEELZxUOyS03LxIs=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=isEsJ5hcfhWMbRF+sn2fgP7tV5WhmB2r9z1fkbpXGoKXD+wa5hh5iqknD8M8Vecnj JJwKvgH8kBUK2C85PSxLlA2HfuSkXgLKO9t9X8Y71CJntdjon1TvQk2wtplQ23EK33 ysPxx+9ar56a6B4+6+StARMzeWN4zLRXL1mlyk6Z+WwH7kep79EYjUTYkVQFbUl7j8 iQPIDKL1qE4m+rIbAOO+LiOtvdzu3mMdTnInlDQfwfAm04fq57q4hjInp8Futh/DoL +1SbmhQNFewGUZB9nTrRmdACxu7C66rCW54JRAGQxQcGY4ZsKNjWS1/CO7Vxlx/qJV nTsyItnAPRduQ== Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 08:22:12 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.9.1 Content-Language: en-GB To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <661B54CB-60CC-439C-B7B4-F86C83CFBE5C@ucalgary.ca> <85DFECF2-AEE7-4C47-B8BC-530346060E71@gmail.com> <001a01d8629f$7fb54d60$7f1fe820$@planet.nl> <40e6593a-e23f-523c-82a8-9737a051d61e@shoyer.com> <306eddaa-9a8f-cc3f-eb9b-de95980ea17d@shoyer.com> <002201d87527$3749fe00$a5ddfa00$@planet.nl> From: PaulHunt73 aoyH6RG2y9cTy2P2VR8ozaWO/HxGahGJlAd7ozFIO3Pg07vHjJBZJntFscD7zAnKy79/w0iwBtC6CaTAXVKwPA12yY8hkqjeFJg= Subject: Re: [Mgs] 80B, melted white-green wire from ignition switch Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2083272030425692844== boundary="------------VeOluzuRYi4QYedhX08MCuGZ" Content-Language: en-GB This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------VeOluzuRYi4QYedhX08MCuGZ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A bad engine/gearbox earth strap will cause the heater, choke and accelerator cables to get hot but not 'fry' them in the same way that electrical wires do when they short, and it won't cause the heater cable to become disconnected.   In theory the temp gauge capillary would be affected as well but I've never heard of it. You would be unlucky for a disconnected heater cable to cause a short, most electrical connections should be protected as there are a lot more earthed metal parts behind the dash than just that cable.  I often see the backs of bullets sticking out of the connector sheath because they haven't been pushed home properly, but the plastic sheaths on the connectors available today slide and can expose even correctly fitted bullets, unlike the rubber sheaths on originals.  I did hear of someone blowing a braided clutch hose when the earth strap failed.  They had been aware of slow cranking for a while but didn't investigate it properly ... As someone once said "Listen to your car, it is talking to you." I.e. get used to how you car sounds, feels, looks, smells  and investigate any changes BEFORE you get a breakdown. PaulH. On 31/05/2022 21:06, Robert's New iPad wrote: > Fried heater cable is usually because the earth strap(s) from engine to body are not conducting properly. > I have two on my GT, and check their fasteners a couple of times each year. > Bob > --------------VeOluzuRYi4QYedhX08MCuGZ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

A bad engine/gearbox earth strap will cause the heater, choke and accelerator cables to get hot but not 'fry' them in the same way that electrical wires do when they short, and it won't cause the heater cable to become disconnected.   In theory the temp gauge capillary would be affected as well but I've never heard of it.  You would be unlucky for a disconnected heater cable to cause a short, most electrical connections should be protected as there are a lot more earthed metal parts behind the dash than just that cable.  I often see the backs of bullets sticking out of the connector sheath because they haven't been pushed home properly, but the plastic sheaths on the connectors available today slide and can expose even correctly fitted bullets, unlike the rubber sheaths on originals.  I did hear of someone blowing a braided clutch hose when the earth strap failed.  They had been aware of slow cranking for a while but didn't investigate it properly ...

As someone once said "Listen to your car, it is talking to you."  I.e. get used to how you car sounds, feels, looks, smells  and investigate any changes BEFORE you get a breakdown.

PaulH.

On 31/05/2022 21:06, Robert's New iPad wrote:
	Fried heater cable is usually because the earth strap(s) from engine to body are not conducting properly.
	I have two on my GT, and check their fasteners a couple of times each year.
Bob

--------------VeOluzuRYi4QYedhX08MCuGZ-- --===============2083272030425692844== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============2083272030425692844==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 2 14:36:21 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452CDA152C for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2022 14:36:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from S15-GW101.mycloudmailbox.com (unknown [207.126.101.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DE8DA145D for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2022 14:34:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay301.mycloudmailbox.com (unknown [207.126.101.249]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by S15-GW101.mycloudmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4LDd6R1phwz2T85t for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2022 16:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from S14-MBX11-13.S14.local (10.40.132.19) by S15-MBX101.S15.local (10.40.140.13) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.2375.28; Thu, 2 Jun 2022 16:34:39 -0400 Received: from S14-MBX11-13.S14.local (10.40.132.65) by S14-MBX11-13.S14.local (10.40.132.65) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.2375.28; Thu, 2 Jun 2022 16:34:39 -0400 Received: from S14-MBX11-13.S14.local ([fe80::b1fc:fc86:cc58:bfa6]) by S14-MBX11-13.S14.local ([fe80::b1fc:fc86:cc58:bfa6%15]) with mapi id 15.01.2375.028; Thu, 2 Jun 2022 16:34:38 -0400 From: dave northrup To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: 72 mgb Thread-Index: Adh2v740Ve5iH4CIQcqpTW8QTvUtpQ== Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 20:34:38 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.40.134.243] x-routingagent: Treated Subject: [Mgs] 72 mgb Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6443237761551298095== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_5f551babd6db46c08472df712a49d65aranteercom_" --_000_5f551babd6db46c08472df712a49d65aranteercom_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a 72 mgb which runs and drives quite nicely. After sitting overnigh= t, I have to use starter fluid to start it. just full choke doesn't do it. After that, no problems. Turn it off, back on, no problems. Not sure how = long it has to sit to exhibit this issue. Timing looks ok, carbs in decent shape and recently tuned, relatively new s= park plugs, etc. Where should I look? --_000_5f551babd6db46c08472df712a49d65aranteercom_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have a 72 mgb which runs and drives quite nicely.&= nbsp; After sitting overnight, I have to use starter fluid to start it.&nbs= p; just full choke doesn’t do it.

 

After that, no problems.  Turn it off, back on,= no problems.  Not sure how long it has to sit to exhibit this issue.<= o:p>

 

Timing looks ok, carbs in decent shape and recently = tuned, relatively new spark plugs, etc.

 

Where should I look?

--_000_5f551babd6db46c08472df712a49d65aranteercom_-- --===============6443237761551298095== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============6443237761551298095==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 2 14:44:01 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF41A154A for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2022 14:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cajat.pair.com (unknown [209.68.5.126]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512A1A1472 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2022 14:43:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cajat.pair.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cajat.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A43D4EA2 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2022 16:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mullet (unknown [98.97.21.31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by cajat.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AC455D4EA1 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2022 16:43:54 -0400 (EDT) From: To: References: <5f551babd6db46c08472df712a49d65a@ranteer.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 16:43:53 -0400 Thread-Index: AQEVQ62+Qlso7hqyHnxlLqA9uTvMdq7C+y+Q Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] 72 mgb Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============4890438920448689907== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0092_01D8769F.F2539070" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01D8769F.F2539070 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd probably do a compression check first to make sure it is acceptable. Then I'd go through the carbs. Steve West-Fisher N4IK From: Mgs On Behalf Of dave northrup Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 4:35 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] 72 mgb I have a 72 mgb which runs and drives quite nicely. After sitting overnight, I have to use starter fluid to start it. just full choke doesn't do it. After that, no problems. Turn it off, back on, no problems. Not sure how long it has to sit to exhibit this issue. Timing looks ok, carbs in decent shape and recently tuned, relatively new spark plugs, etc. Where should I look? ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01D8769F.F2539070 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’d probably do a = compression check first to make sure it is acceptable.

Then I’d go through the carbs.

 

 

Steve West-Fisher

N4IK

 

From: Mgs = <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of dave = northrup
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 4:35 PM
To: = mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] 72 = mgb

 

I have a 72 = mgb which runs and drives quite nicely.  After sitting overnight, I = have to use starter fluid to start it.  just full choke = doesn’t do it.

 

After that, = no problems.  Turn it off, back on, no problems.  Not sure how = long it has to sit to exhibit this issue.

 

Timing looks = ok, carbs in decent shape and recently tuned, relatively new spark = plugs, etc.

 

Where should I look?

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Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 2, 2022, at 4:44 PM, swestfisher@coastaldatasystems.co= m wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

I=E2=80=99d probably do a compression check first to make sure it i= s acceptable.

Then I=E2=80=99d go throu= gh the carbs.

 

 

St= eve West-Fisher

N4IK

 

From: Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 4:35 PM
To:= mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] 72 mgb

 

I have a= 72 mgb which runs and drives quite nicely.  After sitting overnight, I= have to use starter fluid to start it.  just full choke doesn=E2=80=99= t do it.

 

After that, no problems.  Turn it off, back on, no problems= .  Not sure how long it has to sit to exhibit this issue.

 

Timing l= ooks ok, carbs in decent shape and recently tuned, relatively new spark plug= s, etc.

 

Where should I look?

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-------- Original message --------
From: swestfisher@coastaldatasystems.com
Date: 6/2/22 3:45 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] 72 mgb

I=92d probably do a compression check first to make = sure it is acceptable.

Then I=92d go through the carbs.

 

 

Steve West-Fisher

N4IK

 

From: Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> = On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 4:35 PM
To: mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] 72 mgb

 

I have a 72 mgb which runs and drives quite nicely.&= nbsp; After sitting overnight, I have to use starter fluid to start it.&nbs= p; just full choke doesn=92t do it.

 

After that, no problems.  Turn it off, back on,= no problems.  Not sure how long it has to sit to exhibit this issue.<= /p>

 

Timing looks ok, carbs in decent shape and recently = tuned, relatively new spark plugs, etc.

 

Where should I look?

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Solution is to dirve it until it is near emty, then refill, or drain it and refill with fresh fuel. At 03:34 PM 6/2/2022, dave northrup wrote: >.... >I have a 72 mgb which runs and drives quite nicely. After sitting >overnight, I have to use starter fluid to start it. just full choke >doesn't do it. > >After that, no problems. Turn it off, back on, no problems. Not >sure how long it has to sit to exhibit this issue. > >Timing looks ok, carbs in decent shape and recently tuned, >relatively new spark plugs, etc. > >Where should I look? >.... --=====================_697803093==.ALT You didn't say, but if it has been stored for several months without driving, stale fuel can do exactly that.  Solution is to dirve it until it is near emty, then refill, or drain it and refill with fresh fuel.


At 03:34 PM 6/2/2022, dave northrup wrote:
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I have a 72 mgb which runs and drives quite nicely.  After sitting overnight, I have to use starter fluid to start it.  just full choke doesn’t do it.

After that, no problems.  Turn it off, back on, no problems.  Not sure how long it has to sit to exhibit this issue.

Timing looks ok, carbs in decent shape and recently tuned, relatively new spark plugs, etc.

Where should I look?
....
--=====================_697803093==.ALT-- --===============7329401336227128120== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============7329401336227128120==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 2 15:21:03 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C495A1598 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2022 15:21:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from S15-GW104.mycloudmailbox.com (unknown [207.126.101.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975B1A156E for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2022 15:14:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay301.mycloudmailbox.com (unknown [207.126.101.249]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by S15-GW104.mycloudmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4LDf0M2c1Fz2Sjx2; Thu, 2 Jun 2022 17:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from S14-MBX11-20.S14.local (10.40.132.73) by S15-MBX101.S15.local (10.40.140.13) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.2375.28; Thu, 2 Jun 2022 17:14:22 -0400 Received: from S14-MBX11-13.S14.local (10.40.132.19) by S14-MBX11-20.S14.local (10.40.132.73) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.2375.28; Thu, 2 Jun 2022 17:14:22 -0400 Received: from S14-MBX11-13.S14.local ([fe80::b1fc:fc86:cc58:bfa6]) by S14-MBX11-13.S14.local ([fe80::b1fc:fc86:cc58:bfa6%15]) with mapi id 15.01.2375.028; Thu, 2 Jun 2022 17:14:22 -0400 From: dave northrup To: Barney Gaylord , "mgs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Mgs] 72 mgb Thread-Index: Adh2v740Ve5iH4CIQcqpTW8QTvUtpQAJ24UA//+9HVY= Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 21:14:22 +0000 References: <5f551babd6db46c08472df712a49d65a@ranteer.com>, <5f90bba6-0b52-4bf8-8a9d-5f73f4531e71@S14-MBX11-18.S14.local> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-routingagent: Treated Subject: Re: [Mgs] 72 mgb Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1839398241816803230== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_2a8adb50b3664b908652a95c72c5f3e7ranteercom_" --_000_2a8adb50b3664b908652a95c72c5f3e7ranteercom_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That could be it -------- Original message -------- From: Barney Gaylord Date: 6/2/22 4:13 PM (GMT-06:00) To: dave northrup , mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] 72 mgb You didn't say, but if it has been stored for several months without drivin= g, stale fuel can do exactly that. Solution is to dirve it until it is nea= r emty, then refill, or drain it and refill with fresh fuel. At 03:34 PM 6/2/2022, dave northrup wrote: .... I have a 72 mgb which runs and drives quite nicely. After sitting overnigh= t, I have to use starter fluid to start it. just full choke doesn?t do it. After that, no problems. Turn it off, back on, no problems. Not sure how = long it has to sit to exhibit this issue. Timing looks ok, carbs in decent shape and recently tuned, relatively new s= park plugs, etc. Where should I look? .... --_000_2a8adb50b3664b908652a95c72c5f3e7ranteercom_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That could be it


-------- Original message --------
From: Barney Gaylord <barneymg@mgaguru.com>
Date: 6/2/22 4:13 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com>, mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] 72 mgb

You didn't say, but if it has been stored for several= months without driving, stale fuel can do exactly that.  Solution is = to dirve it until it is near emty, then refill, or drain it and refill with= fresh fuel.


At 03:34 PM 6/2/2022, dave northrup wrote:
....
I have a 72 mgb which runs and drives quite nicely.  After sitting ove= rnight, I have to use starter fluid to start it.  just full choke does= n?t do it.

After that, no problems.  Turn it off, back on, no problems.  Not= sure how long it has to sit to exhibit this issue.

Timing looks ok, carbs in decent shape and recently tuned, relatively new s= park plugs, etc.

Where should I look?
....
--_000_2a8adb50b3664b908652a95c72c5f3e7ranteercom_-- --===============1839398241816803230== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1839398241816803230==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 2 16:00:38 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67309A148E for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2022 16:00:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qt1-f170.google.com (unknown [209.85.160.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B818A1463 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2022 15:52:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qt1-f170.google.com with SMTP id y15so4389114qtx.4 for ; Thu, 02 Jun 2022 14:52:34 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=lBmFqkCdfu24EVVKmCNB/UPQIl4wXFny9+gTKBRI6qE=; b=QbbLF9QzyOZ3TRBlNV/YGBO/YbZW2vtHc6wpoYkKKnDY4GP9kdaY9dg+sQG1sJzHnR u32/8i0Z54xrgdRiAeV/xufKnlAuXVi+mueQRHDGpei9OiGQ5eOyj0rSWc4ykje7Bx9p eve7rDOeyFjD+vR8xiUnuPh+qL8/5J/U2aoUzzdVWNpX66ohqI0f+LJ3vJB/CIW+uSd7 vZo3D/TM1kAq2jNBYIkQ9d6KWoL2E5Z+1NouUDrBirLrGy0hW8stAwSwuuUZgXZIjBc5 Fhx7Wp65gheir+I9LZurFjtmJJBSx7mKFL34ycIg9LBymcnsgAdh9yOHGgVqagBAU+us WaYA== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=lBmFqkCdfu24EVVKmCNB/UPQIl4wXFny9+gTKBRI6qE=; b=IpepsLncN1/nqIc2F0xfeMAKWsVcb3fNrcuBj1QgW4TDrOLJARJHvvgtJrTdwGlctD ovqLBh7vogGq/tzuRNE2eljP0Sge8i0MCTKLFyOy5Zom/d/Aab/COtMSexZf4ja4ovSj DzezrWfrfXx34l3ID4GF8I4Mboo7/r9KHGKoLmyEzcK2K/yUWvJKN7OK3+CH0htWM8ob 521+MqX6XDPdsyRBDWvdNzRwlVngCdNVcaPKbUtnCoDS+Y0fJu4AzLXXUslHdZD9shQ0 Bt9Rxv9wpMq2hHfydeDe2vN579VKmQFSAdspIdHm7uYRGwYjF4u1/4SvRZ7I+Q5kTyX8 8eXQ== 4RD7wjX9bAuRU7Y9YOFuunU= o6-20020ac85a46000000b002f3eb45e465mr5444112qta.126.1654206753550; Thu, 02 Jun 2022 14:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] ([32.210.21.102]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c205-20020a379ad6000000b006a3373781fbsm3685871qke.34.2022.06.02.14.52.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 02 Jun 2022 14:52:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert's New iPad Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 17:52:32 -0400 References: <5f551babd6db46c08472df712a49d65a@ranteer.com> To: dave northrup Subject: Re: [Mgs] 72 mgb Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7125162946328622613== boundary=Apple-Mail-4CBD5424-24F3-42F1-A1BA-CB6A0DDE73F7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-4CBD5424-24F3-42F1-A1BA-CB6A0DDE73F7 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Timing, as it is so easy to check, is first. Then, have a go at the starting circuit of the car=E2=80=99s HIFs. = It should start immediately with appropriate amount of choke for the temper= ature.=20 Starter fluid is a desperate tool for desperate needs. MGBs should n= ever need it except during an Arctic winter. =20 Bob > On Jun 2, 2022, at 4:34 PM, dave northrup wrote: >=20 > I have a 72 mgb which runs and drives quite nicely. After sitting overnig= ht, I have to use starter fluid to start it. just full choke doesn=E2=80=99= t do it. > =20 > After that, no problems. Turn it off, back on, no problems. Not sure how= long it has to sit to exhibit this issue. > =20 > Timing looks ok, carbs in decent shape and recently tuned, relatively new s= park plugs, etc. > =20 > Where should I look? > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com --Apple-Mail-4CBD5424-24F3-42F1-A1BA-CB6A0DDE73F7 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Timing, as i= t is so easy to check, is first.
Then, have a go at the start= ing circuit of the car=E2=80=99s HIFs.  It should start immediately wit= h appropriate amount of choke for the temperature. 
Star= ter fluid is a desperate tool for desperate needs. MGBs should never need it= except during an Arctic winter.  
Bob


On Jun 2, 2022, at 4:34 PM, dave n= orthrup <dave@ranteer.com> wro= te:

=

I have a 72 mgb which runs and drives quite nicely.&n= bsp; After sitting overnight, I have to use starter fluid to start it. = just full choke doesn=E2=80=99t do it.

 

After that, no problems.  Turn it off, back on, n= o problems.  Not sure how long it has to sit to exhibit this issue.

 

Timing looks ok, carbs in decent shape and recently t= uned, relatively new spark plugs, etc.

 

Where should I look?

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Special thanks to Barney!!!!!

 

I followed his advice and this morning the car start= ed up without starter fluid!!!!!

 

From: Barney Gaylord <barneymg@mgaguru.com= >
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 4:14 PM
To: dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com>; mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] 72 mgb

 

You didn't say, but= if it has been stored for several months without driving, stale fuel can d= o exactly that.  Solution is to dirve it until it is near emty, then r= efill, or drain it and refill with fresh fuel.


At 03:34 PM 6/2/2022, dave northrup wrote:

....
I have a 72 mgb which runs and drives quite nicely.  After sitting ove= rnight, I have to use starter fluid to start it.  just full choke does= n?t do it.

After that, no problems.  Turn it off, back on, no problems.  Not= sure how long it has to sit to exhibit this issue.

Timing looks ok, carbs in decent shape and recently tuned, relatively new s= park plugs, etc.

Where should I look?
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Thu, 16 Jun 2022 16:28:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Stan Fickes Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 19:28:24 -0400 To: mglist Subject: [Mgs] 1973 MGB for sale Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2626439190700218270== --000000000000213bc305e198ff6e Please forgive me if this isn't allowed! My daughter is selling her 1973 MGB. We spent four years working through it and she has realized she just isn't the right person for a LBC and I'm restoring an MGTD and maintaining an MGA and a Sprite. But wait, there's more. If you buy this car, we'll throw in a slightly older red MGB with hardtop that doesn't run but does have several useful parts. I can answer specific questions. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/760438461637462/ (Facebook marketplace apparently doesn't know the MG marque. Ugh.) Thanks! --000000000000213bc305e198ff6e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Please forgive me if this isn't allowed!

My daughter is selling her 1973 MGB. We spent four years working thro= ugh it and she has realized she just isn't the right person for a LBC a= nd I'm restoring an MGTD and maintaining an MGA and a Sprite. But wait,= there's more. If you buy this car, we'll throw in a slightly older= red MGB with hardtop that doesn't run but does have several useful par= ts. I can answer specific questions.


= (Facebook marketplace apparently doesn't know the MG marque. Ugh.)

Thanks!
--000000000000213bc305e198ff6e-- --===============2626439190700218270== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============2626439190700218270==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 16 17:41:33 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8DA3A13A1 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2022 17:41:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (unknown [64.142.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3ED4A11EE for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2022 17:41:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (172-5-155-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.5.155.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 25GNexsO005123 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2022 16:41:00 -0700 From: Max Heim Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 16:40:59 -0700 References: To: mglist Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1973 MGB for sale Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2645028790391413590== boundary="Apple-Mail=_0FF2A285-FB80-4092-973E-954166A29C75" --Apple-Mail=_0FF2A285-FB80-4092-973E-954166A29C75 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Yeah, I=E2=80=98m thinking the Facebook marketplace is not the best = place to sell a collector car. It doesn=E2=80=99t let you enter your own = marque or model, so if you have anything that isn=E2=80=99t on the list, = nobody is going to be able to find it. How can I find any MGs for sale = when they are randomly listed as Aston Martins or Corvettes? And it = ticks off people that are actually looking for Aston Martins (although I = would seriously doubt any of those folks are searching Facebook). I would try The MG Experience website. Good luck. -- Max Heim mvheim@sonic.net > On Jun 16, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Stan Fickes wrote: >=20 > Please forgive me if this isn't allowed! >=20 > My daughter is selling her 1973 MGB. We spent four years working = through it and she has realized she just isn't the right person for a = LBC and I'm restoring an MGTD and maintaining an MGA and a Sprite. But = wait, there's more. If you buy this car, we'll throw in a slightly older = red MGB with hardtop that doesn't run but does have several useful = parts. I can answer specific questions. >=20 > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/760438461637462/ = >=20 > (Facebook marketplace apparently doesn't know the MG marque. Ugh.) >=20 > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net --Apple-Mail=_0FF2A285-FB80-4092-973E-954166A29C75 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Yeah,= I=E2=80=98m thinking the Facebook marketplace is not the best place to = sell a collector car. It doesn=E2=80=99t let you enter your own marque = or model, so if you have anything that isn=E2=80=99t on the list, nobody = is going to be able to find it. How can I find any MGs for sale when = they are randomly listed as Aston Martins or Corvettes? And it ticks off = people that are actually looking for Aston Martins (although I would = seriously doubt any of those folks are searching Facebook).

I would try The MG Experience = website.

Good = luck.


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Max Heim
mvheim@sonic.net



On Jun 16, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Stan Fickes <spridget@gmail.com> = wrote:

Please forgive me if this isn't allowed!

My daughter is selling = her 1973 MGB. We spent four years working through it and she has = realized she just isn't the right person for a LBC and I'm restoring an = MGTD and maintaining an MGA and a Sprite. But wait, there's more. If you = buy this car, we'll throw in a slightly older red MGB with hardtop that = doesn't run but does have several useful parts. I can answer specific = questions.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/760438461637462/<= br class=3D"">

(Facebook marketplace apparently doesn't know the MG marque. = Ugh.)

Thanks!
_______________________________________________

Mgs@autox.team.net
Donate: =  $12.75

Archive: = http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive

Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net

= --Apple-Mail=_0FF2A285-FB80-4092-973E-954166A29C75-- --===============2645028790391413590== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============2645028790391413590==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 16 17:55:58 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4428A13B4 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2022 17:55:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (unknown [64.142.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1668A13A1 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2022 17:55:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-73-158-201-127.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [73.158.201.127]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 25GNtPWV003638 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2022 16:55:25 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 16:55:24 -0700 From: lrc@red4est.com To: mgs@autox.team.net User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1973 MGB for sale Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5713535722890080516== boundary=----BL02K9VRQR9THN981WKCZS61B4V1DA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------BL02K9VRQR9THN981WKCZS61B4V1DA charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The map with the ad doesn't show where it is, it just shows an unlabeled ro= ad and some lakes On June 16, 2022 4:28:24 PM PDT, Stan Fickes wrote: >Please forgive me if this isn't allowed! > >My daughter is selling her 1973 MGB=2E We spent four years working throug= h it >and she has realized she just isn't the right person for a LBC and I'm >restoring an MGTD and maintaining an MGA and a Sprite=2E But wait, there'= s >more=2E If you buy this car, we'll throw in a slightly older red MGB with >hardtop that doesn't run but does have several useful parts=2E I can answ= er >specific questions=2E > >https://www=2Efacebook=2Ecom/marketplace/item/760438461637462/ > >(Facebook marketplace apparently doesn't know the MG marque=2E Ugh=2E) > >Thanks! --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------BL02K9VRQR9THN981WKCZS61B4V1DA charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The map with the ad doesn't show where it is, it j= ust shows an unlabeled road and some lakes

On June 16, 2022 4:28:24 PM PDT, Stan Fickes <spridget@gmail=2Ecom>= wrote:
Please forgive me if this isn't allowed!

My daughter is selling her 1973 MGB=2E We spent four years working throu= gh it and she has realized she just isn't the right person for a LBC and I'= m restoring an MGTD and maintaining an MGA and a Sprite=2E But wait, there'= s more=2E If you buy this car, we'll throw in a slightly older red MGB with= hardtop that doesn't run but does have several useful parts=2E I can answe= r specific questions=2E


(Face= book marketplace apparently doesn't know the MG marque=2E Ugh=2E)

Thanks!
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------BL02K9VRQR9THN981WKCZS61B4V1DA-- --===============5713535722890080516== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============5713535722890080516==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 16 18:13:16 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7CDEA0F92 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2022 18:13:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi1-f179.google.com (unknown [209.85.167.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9412A0542 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2022 18:12:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oi1-f179.google.com with SMTP id k24so3715585oij.2 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2022 17:12:47 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=IxSAk7e5wSQBHXliaCOt5DYI7gJzEQ9xHi3/+COWcKk=; b=pWGzVQoBnMmbiX776ksB0Sxi54GGNlVmoB2cbrnK2Bx6itYXrWvxyn2UP2cAzp9BwO vZMr88hmqDqzIqlKJf1wjuZSz/UvoBs7/aW9LUmrERJW4Nqm5pLbZFLx0XULIEsLUo/U xnHZyN7W6ycJx1CrgEMgACGS48XBiy0JEwa+Zkas/4y4meYz6Ozjk5ojMG2ESfxFGqtD HFuQalcy+AYYMxhj7VvbVoO4KtUpmbWm6MulfSufuBDZQj/miY5lddMDhqGXTpZqtb41 oJR7FAgMdNDWJH3GYPAtuGPVfjveSZ4BzG/ewM/OF15ygwI0coKg+5bF13BAFBVys5S5 nxyQ== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=IxSAk7e5wSQBHXliaCOt5DYI7gJzEQ9xHi3/+COWcKk=; b=jLjsKpXNun9HzVtObsvmyv56ePm5Tz/h47XhHwPbvsBXXnvOqr8Kw/33Iia6Og47Nd 8FabSyhBjmaSLcj9b4ORXRS9Aee4hho1aaQFnHD904m/5Tm1H8D3eBkyNdzERsyeW5Bd ad8TY3PrmSyTgut6Wgk9wPblv4m2Lspv3jQQpV59BurObT3xIdjgDKJf0rLJicuxeZOv 8pGNwTz7UvX+L4xccpZwGaOpWkWBCDP/NrJ0EhDixZtNlpckXBVnuOARcakEcgRTW629 5vDVA+7tyRXhpWPY6u1NipLiIEqPc6L80V/hoC4arzKA7aimy1lfJr4bAiWwREed9LyA PLBw== Akye3aAjEQ8ioGSeNE6F4tfeSklnnz1M8FTCqgM= s29-20020a056808209d00b0032eed2a3bb5mr8863548oiw.246.1655424767211; Thu, 16 Jun 2022 17:12:47 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Dan DiBiase Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 20:12:10 -0400 To: Larry Colen Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1973 MGB for sale Cc: mglist Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8262027031996074423== --00000000000033bd8b05e1999d1f I'm guessing you haven't been to Vermont before..... ;-) Dan D '76 MGB Central NJ USA http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 7:55 PM wrote: > The map with the ad doesn't show where it is, it just shows an unlabeled > road and some lakes > > On June 16, 2022 4:28:24 PM PDT, Stan Fickes wrote: >> >> Please forgive me if this isn't allowed! >> >> My daughter is selling her 1973 MGB. We spent four years working through >> it and she has realized she just isn't the right person for a LBC and I'm >> restoring an MGTD and maintaining an MGA and a Sprite. But wait, there's >> more. If you buy this car, we'll throw in a slightly older red MGB with >> hardtop that doesn't run but does have several useful parts. I can answer >> specific questions. >> >> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/760438461637462/ >> >> (Facebook marketplace apparently doesn't know the MG marque. Ugh.) >> >> Thanks! >> > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase@gmail.com > --00000000000033bd8b05e1999d1f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm guessing you haven't been to Vermont before...= .. ;-)

Dan D
'76 MGB

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 7:55 PM <lrc@red4est.com> wrote:
The map with the ad doesn't show= where it is, it just shows an unlabeled road and some lakes

On June 16, 2022 4:28:24 PM PDT, Stan Fickes <spridget@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
Please forgive me if this isn't allowed!

My daughter is selling her 1973 MGB. We spent four years working thro= ugh it and she has realized she just isn't the right person for a LBC a= nd I'm restoring an MGTD and maintaining an MGA and a Sprite. But wait,= there's more. If you buy this car, we'll throw in a slightly older= red MGB with hardtop that doesn't run but does have several useful par= ts. I can answer specific questions.


(Facebook marketplace apparently doesn't know the MG = marque. Ugh.)

Thanks!
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Yeah, that's pretty much where we live. Turn right wh= ere the barn used to be, unless you're coming from the west in which ca= se you ... no, you can't get here from there.

The cars will hopefully be someone else's tomorrow.= Thanks!

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022, 8:13 PM Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm guessing you have= n't been to Vermont before..... ;-)

Dan D
= '76 MGB

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 7:= 55 PM <lrc@red4est.com> wrote:
The map with the ad doesn't show where it is, it = just shows an unlabeled road and some lakes

On June 16, 2022 4:28:24 PM PDT, Stan Fickes <spridget@g= mail.com> wrote:
Please forgive me if this isn't allowed!

My daughter is selling her 1973 MGB. We spent four years working thro= ugh it and she has realized she just isn't the right person for a LBC a= nd I'm restoring an MGTD and maintaining an MGA and a Sprite. But wait,= there's more. If you buy this car, we'll throw in a slightly older= red MGB with hardtop that doesn't run but does have several useful par= ts. I can answer specific questions.


(Facebook marketplace apparently doesn= 't know the MG marque. Ugh.)

Thanks!
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My 1977 has been running great this year. I attribute it t= o using Sea Foam instead of (old) Stabil. That's a good thing especiall= y for this year. My car has been a city car for the last 15+ years. But we = decided to move this year, and had a 60 mile move to drive it. I had worrie= d, since I haven't taken the car on any trips so really didn't know= what it would do on drives more than 20-30 minutes.=C2=A0 Other than being= on the freeway at 70 with today's barely conscious=C2=A0drivers, there= was nothing to worry about.

Anyway, a week or two back,= my throttle cable broke. It has happened before, the connecting nut cuts i= nto the cable a bit.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I had enough slack to move the connector u= p a few holes on the lever, and adjust the sleeve all the way in, to get ho= me.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Next day, I went to a bike shop and got a new brake cable t= o replace.=C2=A0

I also ordered a 75-76 throttle c= able from Moss. That's the one with a metal connector on the end. I'= ;m thinking that would make a better connection. Still looking at it.
=

However, the big issue I'm having is that the brake= booster hose connects to the port on the intake manifold right next to the= throttle lever. And the bolt assembly can rub up against it and catch. Mak= ing a basically wide open throttle stuck.=C2=A0

I = have seen pictures of the DGV swapped 180 degrees so the throttle is in the= front of the engine, and the cable would route the other way. Has anyone d= one this? How does it work? I have a manual choke, which might be an issue.=


On a side note, I got my newly rec= overed (Mr Mike's upholstery) Miata seats (with embroidered=C2=A0MG log= os)=C2=A0 installed with new mounting rails (Crate Parts). They are so wond= erful. Not a paid endorser, just a happy customer.=C2=A0 But now it shows h= ow badly I need new carpet.=C2=A0

thanks,
Paul.
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It was originally formulated for marine 2 stroke engines to get the carbon out. It is not compatible with 4 stoke engines no matter what the manufacturer says. Better to use nitrogen based fuel system cleaners like Techron and such. Seafoam does not stabilize the fuel for lengthy periods. Ethanol makes it very difficult to keep gas volatile for more than 6 months at the most. In most cases it goes bad in 3 months and leaves a gummy residue in your carb. Try to find a stabilizer that deals with the ethanol. By the way, you probably did not harm your engine with the Seafoam, but I would not continue to use it. Just my opinion. Mike MacLean 69 MGB GT 60 Bugeye 56 BN2 LeMans On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 9:19 AM Paul Root wrote: > My 1977 has been running great this year. I attribute it to using Sea Foam > instead of (old) Stabil. That's a good thing especially for this year. My > car has been a city car for the last 15+ years. But we decided to move this > year, and had a 60 mile move to drive it. I had worried, since I haven't > taken the car on any trips so really didn't know what it would do on drives > more than 20-30 minutes. Other than being on the freeway at 70 with > today's barely conscious drivers, there was nothing to worry about. > > Anyway, a week or two back, my throttle cable broke. It has happened > before, the connecting nut cuts into the cable a bit. I had enough slack > to move the connector up a few holes on the lever, and adjust the sleeve > all the way in, to get home. Next day, I went to a bike shop and got a > new brake cable to replace. > > I also ordered a 75-76 throttle cable from Moss. That's the one with a > metal connector on the end. I'm thinking that would make a better > connection. Still looking at it. > > However, the big issue I'm having is that the brake booster hose connects > to the port on the intake manifold right next to the throttle lever. And > the bolt assembly can rub up against it and catch. Making a basically wide > open throttle stuck. > > I have seen pictures of the DGV swapped 180 degrees so the throttle is in > the front of the engine, and the cable would route the other way. Has > anyone done this? How does it work? I have a manual choke, which might be > an issue. > > > On a side note, I got my newly recovered (Mr Mike's upholstery) Miata > seats (with embroidered MG logos) installed with new mounting rails (Crate > Parts). They are so wonderful. Not a paid endorser, just a happy customer. > But now it shows how badly I need new carpet. > > thanks, > Paul. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/springer.mike51@gmail.com > --00000000000008ac9305e1a947d5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You should not use Seafoam in your MG.=C2=A0 It was o= riginally formulated for marine 2 stroke engines to get the carbon out.=C2= =A0 It is not compatible with 4 stoke engines no matter what the manufactur= er says.=C2=A0 Better to use nitrogen based fuel system cleaners like Techr= on and such.=C2=A0 Seafoam does not stabilize the fuel for lengthy periods.= =C2=A0 Ethanol makes it very difficult to keep gas volatile for more than 6= months at the most.=C2=A0 In most cases it goes bad in 3 months and leaves= a gummy residue in your carb.=C2=A0 Try to find a stabilizer that deals wi= th the ethanol.=C2=A0 By the way, you probably did not harm your engine wit= h the Seafoam, but I would not continue to use it.=C2=A0 Just my opinion.
Mike MacLean
69 MGB GT
60 Bugeye
56 = BN2 LeMans

On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 9:19 AM Paul Root <ptroot@gmail.com> wrote:
My 1977 has b= een running great this year. I attribute it to using Sea Foam instead of (o= ld) Stabil. That's a good thing especially for this year. My car has be= en a city car for the last 15+ years. But we decided to move this year, and= had a 60 mile move to drive it. I had worried, since I haven't taken t= he car on any trips so really didn't know what it would do on drives mo= re than 20-30 minutes.=C2=A0 Other than being on the freeway at 70 with tod= ay's barely conscious=C2=A0drivers, there was nothing to worry about.
Anyway, a week or two back, my throttle cable broke. It h= as happened before, the connecting nut cuts into the cable a bit.=C2=A0 =C2= =A0I had enough slack to move the connector up a few holes on the lever, an= d adjust the sleeve all the way in, to get home.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Next day, I we= nt to a bike shop and got a new brake cable to replace.=C2=A0
I also ordered a 75-76 throttle cable from Moss. That's the= one with a metal connector on the end. I'm thinking that would make a = better connection. Still looking at it.

However, t= he big issue I'm having is that the brake booster hose connects to the = port on the intake manifold right next to the throttle lever. And the bolt = assembly can rub up against it and catch. Making a basically wide open thro= ttle stuck.=C2=A0

I have seen pictures of the DGV = swapped 180 degrees so the throttle is in the front of the engine, and the = cable would route the other way. Has anyone done this? How does it work? I = have a manual choke, which might be an issue.


=
On a side note, I got my newly recovered (Mr Mike's upholste= ry) Miata seats (with embroidered=C2=A0MG logos)=C2=A0 installed with new m= ounting rails (Crate Parts). They are so wonderful. Not a paid endorser, ju= st a happy customer.=C2=A0 But now it shows how badly I need new carpet.=C2= =A0

thanks,
Paul.
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The MGA 1600 seat backs are attached at their base by a threaded bolt that screws into threaded holes in the frame base and finishes with a nut to hold it all together at the pivot point.  Does anyone know the dimensions of that bolt?  It is not in Moss's exploded diagram or the MG 1600 Factory Service Parts List.

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Guinness" ,mgs@autox.team.net From: Barney Gaylord References: please include it with any abuse report [107.191.3.11]:63672 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA 1600 seat back threaded bolt size Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6750640478719412774== boundary="=====================_452188234==.ALT" --=====================_452188234==.ALT Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert, --- I'll give it my best shot. The Service Parts List does not break it down to=20 the level of that bolt. The Seat Assembly -Less=20 Cushion includes the two-piece frame and the pivot bolts. The bolt is actually a shoulder bolt. It passes=20 freely through the hole in the seat back rest, so=20 the backrest will hinge on the shoulder bolts=20 when the bolts are fixed in place. I think there=20 is also supposed to be a thin thrust washer in between the moving parts. The upstanding ears on the seat base frame are=20 supposed to be threaded. Pretty sure it is=20 5/16-24-UNF thread. The shoulder bolt screws in=20 until the shoulder hits the bracket, and it stops=20 turning. Then the nut is installed inside and=20 screws on until the nut hits the ear and=20 stops. Tighten gently, as it is a jam nut to fix=20 the shoulder bolt in place. If the female thread=20 was stripped out of the ear, the shoulder bolt=20 may hold in place anyway, as long as the nut is=20 secure. I don't remembwr if the thrust washer=20 should be trapped under the bolt shoulder, or if=20 the washer fits free spinning over the shoulder. So there is no factory specified part number for=20 that bolt in the SPL, although there surely was a=20 real part number at the factory. It would be=20 nice if someone could find that part number, but=20 the world has effectively done without it for 67 years. I wouldn't mind making a drawing of the bolt,=20 just that I don't have one in hand to measure at=20 the moment. I suppose I could take my car apart=20 to "borrow" one long enough to measure=20 it. Problem is. my seats are not original,=20 having been replaced with new assemblies from=20 Moss Motors a few years ago. With my luck the new bolts might even be= metric. Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com At 10:00 PM 6/17/2022, Robert J. Guinness wrote: >.... >The MGA 1600 seat backs are attached at their=20 >base by a threaded bolt that screws into=20 >threaded holes in the frame base and finishes=20 >with a nut to hold it all together at the pivot=20 >point.=C2 Does anyone know the dimensions of that=20 >bolt?=C2 It is not in Moss's exploded diagram or=20 >the MG 1600 Factory Service Parts List. > >Robert Guinness >.... --=====================_452188234==.ALT Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert, --- I'll give it my best shot. 

The Service Parts List does not break it down to the level of that bolt.  The Seat Assembly -Less Cushion includes the two-piece frame and the pivot bolts.

The bolt is actually a shoulder bolt.  It passes freely through the hole in the seat back rest, so the backrest will hinge on the shoulder bolts when the bolts are fixed in place.  I think there is also supposed to be a thin thrust washer in between the moving parts.

The upstanding ears on the seat base frame are supposed to be threaded.  Pretty sure it is 5/16-24-UNF thread.  The shoulder bolt screws in until the shoulder hits the bracket, and it stops turning.  Then the nut is installed inside and screws on until the nut hits the ear and stops.  Tighten gently, as it is a jam nut to fix the shoulder bolt in place.  If the female thread was stripped out of the ear, the shoulder bolt may hold in place anyway, as long as the nut is secure.  I don't remembwr if the thrust washer should be trapped under the bolt shoulder, or if the washer fits free spinning over the shoulder.

So there is no factory specified part number for that bolt in the SPL, although there surely was a real part number at the factory.  It would be nice if someone could find that part number, but the world has effectively done without it for 67 years.

I wouldn't mind making a drawing of the bolt, just that I don't have one in hand to measure at the moment.  I suppose I could take my car apart to "borrow" one long enough to measure it.  Problem is. my seats are not original, having been replaced with new assemblies from Moss Motors a few years ago.  With my luck the new bolts might even be metric.

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attitude
http://MGAguru.com

At 10:00 PM 6/17/2022, Robert J. Guinness wrote:
....
The MGA 1600 seat backs are attached at their base by a threaded bolt that screws into threaded holes in the frame base and finishes with a nut to hold it all together at the pivot point.=C2  Does anyone know the dimensions of that bolt?=C2  It is not in Moss's exploded diagram or the MG 1600 Factory Service Parts List.

Robert Guinness
....
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I have 2 MGAs, 56 and 59.  I want to swap the a= xles? Because one is a disk car and one is a wire wheel car.

 

How hard is that?

--_000_c8da219e770d4caf933f2b0be7e09c11ranteercom_-- --===============6974590880421747899== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============6974590880421747899==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 22 10:26:01 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F87A0D7D for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2022 10:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (unknown [64.142.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E0A1A0D62 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2022 10:24:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (172-5-155-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.5.155.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 25MGOoKI008660 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2022 09:24:50 -0700 From: Max Heim Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 09:24:50 -0700 References: To: mglist Subject: Re: [Mgs] wire wheels vs disks Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4464355970535379093== boundary="Apple-Mail=_80A6E941-A8C0-4C94-9489-8499A0B001FA" --Apple-Mail=_80A6E941-A8C0-4C94-9489-8499A0B001FA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Well, when I had that situation with two MGBs (I wanted to put the wire = wheels on the car I was planning to restore, and swap the steel wheels = to the car i would dispose of), I swapped the entire suspensions =E2=80=94= the third member (rear axle) with leaf springs, and the front subframe = with all suspension attached. You wouldn=E2=80=99t have to do the leafs = =E2=80=94 I happened to know which set was newer. Actually, in this = case, the wire wheel suspension had been regularly maintained and had = many new parts, and the steel wheel setup had been sitting untouched for = possibly 30 years, so it was clear that I wanted all the other = components along with the wire wheel hubs. If the situation regarding = the condition of the parts had been different, I might have tried to do = it piecemeal. But in my case the full swap was the easiest and best way. -- Max Heim mvheim@sonic.net > On Jun 22, 2022, at 7:10 AM, dave northrup wrote: >=20 > I have 2 MGAs, 56 and 59. I want to swap the axles? Because one is a = disk car and one is a wire wheel car. > =20 > How hard is that? > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = http://autox.team.net/archive = >=20 > Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net = --Apple-Mail=_80A6E941-A8C0-4C94-9489-8499A0B001FA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Well,= when I had that situation with two MGBs (I wanted to put the wire = wheels on the car I was planning to restore, and swap the steel wheels = to the car i would dispose of), I swapped the entire suspensions =E2=80=94= the third member (rear axle) with leaf springs, and the front subframe = with all suspension attached. You wouldn=E2=80=99t have to do the leafs = =E2=80=94 I happened to know which set was newer. Actually, in this = case, the wire wheel suspension had been regularly maintained and had = many new parts, and the steel wheel setup had been sitting untouched for = possibly 30 years, so it was clear that I wanted all the other = components along with the wire wheel hubs. If the situation regarding = the condition of the parts had been different, I might have tried to do = it piecemeal. But in my case the full swap was the easiest and best = way.

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I have 2 MGAs, 56 and = 59.  I want to swap the axles? Because one is a disk car and one is = a wire wheel car.
 
How hard is that?
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On Jun 22, 2022, at 9:27 AM, dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com> = wrote:

Thank you
 
From: Mgs= <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf = Of Max Heim
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 = 11:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [Mgs] wire wheels vs = disks
 
Well, when I had that = situation with two MGBs (I wanted to put the wire wheels on the car I = was planning to restore, and swap the steel wheels to the car i would = dispose of), I swapped the entire suspensions =E2=80=94 the third member = (rear axle) with leaf springs, and the front subframe with all = suspension attached. You wouldn=E2=80=99t have to do the leafs =E2=80=94 = I happened to know which set was newer. Actually, in this case, the wire = wheel suspension had been regularly maintained and had many new parts, = and the steel wheel setup had been sitting untouched for possibly 30 = years, so it was clear that I wanted all the other components along with = the wire wheel hubs. If the situation regarding the condition of the = parts had been different, I might have tried to do it piecemeal. But in = my case the full swap was the easiest and best way.
 
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How hard = is that?
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Based on the MGB as long as it is the same design of axle it's not difficult, just needs a shorter handbrake cable.

On 22/06/2022 15:10, dave northrup wrote:

I have 2 MGAs, 56 and 59.  I want to swap the axles? Because one is a disk car and one is a wire wheel car.

 

How hard is that?


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You can't swap the subframe (crossmember) in an MGA. It is welded to the chassis in the MGA, unlike the MGB where it is bolted to the unibody. You can swap the front hubs. Drum to drum would be easy, disc to disc would be easy, Not as easy front drum to disc & vice versa. Swap the entire rear axles (& hand brake cables) as the two axles are slightly different in overall width (to account for the different back spacing of the wheels). Do not swap the rear axle shafts - the different lengths will not engage with the differential gears properly. More details here: http://www.mgaguru.com/mgtech/suspensn/fs301.htm EjR On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 2:00 PM wrote: > Send Mgs mailing list submissions to > mgs@autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mgs-request@autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > mgs-owner@autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Mgs digest..." > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. wire wheels vs disks (dave northrup) > 2. Re: wire wheels vs disks (Max Heim) > 3. Re: wire wheels vs disks (Max Heim) > 4. Re: wire wheels vs disks (PaulHunt73) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 14:10:44 +0000 > From: dave northrup > To: "mgs@autox.team.net" > Subject: [Mgs] wire wheels vs disks > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I have 2 MGAs, 56 and 59. I want to swap the axles? Because one is a disk > car and one is a wire wheel car. > > How hard is that? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/mgs/attachments/20220622/0dde070e/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 09:24:50 -0700 > From: Max Heim > To: mglist > Subject: Re: [Mgs] wire wheels vs disks > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Well, when I had that situation with two MGBs (I wanted to put the wire > wheels on the car I was planning to restore, and swap the steel wheels to > the car i would dispose of), I swapped the entire suspensions ? the third > member (rear axle) with leaf springs, and the front subframe with all > suspension attached. You wouldn?t have to do the leafs ? I happened to know > which set was newer. Actually, in this case, the wire wheel suspension had > been regularly maintained and had many new parts, and the steel wheel setup > had been sitting untouched for possibly 30 years, so it was clear that I > wanted all the other components along with the wire wheel hubs. If the > situation regarding the condition of the parts had been different, I might > have tried to do it piecemeal. But in my case the full swap was the easiest > and best way. > > -- > Max Heim > mvheim@sonic.net > > > > > > On Jun 22, 2022, at 7:10 AM, dave northrup wrote: > > > > I have 2 MGAs, 56 and 59. I want to swap the axles? Because one is a > disk car and one is a wire wheel car. > > > > How hard is that? > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs < > http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs> http://autox.team.net/archive < > http://autox.team.net/archive> > > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/mgs/attachments/20220622/aeeb0b93/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 09:31:30 -0700 > From: Max Heim > To: mglist > Subject: Re: [Mgs] wire wheels vs disks > Message-ID: <6F514171-E80B-47D3-9679-05AE34F72756@sonic.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Other than getting the bolts started, which is a terror, the front > subframe swap is easy. You can even roll it on its wheels from one car to > the other. You can roll the rear axle, too, so if you have 8 jack stands it > is a pretty smooth operation. > > > -- > Max Heim > mvheim@sonic.net > > > > > On Jun 22, 2022, at 9:27 AM, dave northrup wrote: > > > > Thank you > > > > From: Mgs On Behalf Of Max Heim > > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 11:25 AM > > To: mglist > > Subject: Re: [Mgs] wire wheels vs disks > > > > Well, when I had that situation with two MGBs (I wanted to put the wire > wheels on the car I was planning to restore, and swap the steel wheels to > the car i would dispose of), I swapped the entire suspensions ? the third > member (rear axle) with leaf springs, and the front subframe with all > suspension attached. You wouldn?t have to do the leafs ? I happened to know > which set was newer. Actually, in this case, the wire wheel suspension had > been regularly maintained and had many new parts, and the steel wheel setup > had been sitting untouched for possibly 30 years, so it was clear that I > wanted all the other components along with the wire wheel hubs. If the > situation regarding the condition of the parts had been different, I might > have tried to do it piecemeal. But in my case the full swap was the easiest > and best way. > > > > -- > > Max Heim > > > > > > > > > > > dave@ranteer.com>> wrote: > > > > I have 2 MGAs, 56 and 59. I want to swap the axles? Because one is a > disk car and one is a wire wheel car. > > > > How hard is that? > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs < > http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs> http://autox.team.net/archive < > http://autox.team.net/archive> > > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/mgs/attachments/20220622/46cea8e0/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 17:38:55 +0100 > From: PaulHunt73 > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] wire wheels vs disks > Message-ID: <023fbe1a-33f0-2aba-2208-b6f621f7c059@virginmedia.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > Based on the MGB as long as it is the same design of axle it's not > difficult, just needs a shorter handbrake cable. > > On 22/06/2022 15:10, dave northrup wrote: > > > > I have 2 MGAs, 56 and 59.? 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>=C2=A0 Other than getting the bolts started, which is a terror, the front subframe= swap is easy.=C2=A0=C2=A0

You can't swap the subfra= me (crossmember) in an MGA. It is welded to the chassis in the MGA, unlike = the MGB where it is bolted to the unibody.=C2=A0

Y= ou can swap the front hubs. Drum to drum would be easy, disc to disc would = be easy, Not as easy front drum to disc & vice versa. Swap the entire r= ear axles (& hand brake cables) as the two axles are slightly different= in overall width (to account for the different back spacing=C2=A0of the wh= eels). Do not swap the rear axle shafts - the different lengths will not en= gage with the differential gears properly.=C2=A0

M= ore details here:=C2=A0http://www.mgaguru.com/mgtech/suspensn/fs301.htm=C2=A0

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=C2=A0 =C2=A01. wire wheels vs disks (dave northrup)
=C2=A0 =C2=A02. Re: wire wheels vs disks (Max Heim)
=C2=A0 =C2=A03. Re: wire wheels vs disks (Max Heim)
=C2=A0 =C2=A04. Re: wire wheels vs disks (PaulHunt73)


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Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 14:10:44 +0000
From: dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com>
To: "mgs@autox= .team.net" <mgs@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Mgs] wire wheels vs disks
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I have 2 MGAs, 56 and 59.=C2=A0 I want to swap the axles? Because one is a = disk car and one is a wire wheel car.

How hard is that?
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Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 09:24:50 -0700
From: Max Heim <mv= heim@sonic.net>
To: mglist <mgs@= autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] wire wheels vs disks
c.net" target=3D"_blank">E1BDF4F3-3C14-422E-AAFC-139EF277196D@sonic.net= >

Well, when I had that situation with two MGBs (I wanted to put the wire whe= els on the car I was planning to restore, and swap the steel wheels to the = car i would dispose of), I swapped the entire suspensions ? the third membe= r (rear axle) with leaf springs, and the front subframe with all suspension= attached. You wouldn?t have to do the leafs ? I happened to know which set= was newer. Actually, in this case, the wire wheel suspension had been regu= larly maintained and had many new parts, and the steel wheel setup had been= sitting untouched for possibly 30 years, so it was clear that I wanted all= the other components along with the wire wheel hubs. If the situation rega= rding the condition of the parts had been different, I might have tried to = do it piecemeal. But in my case the full swap was the easiest and best way.=

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> On Jun 22, 2022, at 7:10 AM, dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
>
> I have 2 MGAs, 56 and 59.=C2=A0 I want to swap the axles? Because one = is a disk car and one is a wire wheel car.
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> How hard is that?
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Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 09:31:30 -0700
From: Max Heim <mv= heim@sonic.net>
To: mglist <mgs@= autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] wire wheels vs disks
c.net" target=3D"_blank">6F514171-E80B-47D3-9679-05AE34F72756@sonic.net= >

Other than getting the bolts started, which is a terror, the front subframe= swap is easy. You can even roll it on its wheels from one car to the other= . You can roll the rear axle, too, so if you have 8 jack stands it is a pre= tty smooth operation.


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> On Jun 22, 2022, at 9:27 AM, dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
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> Thank you
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> From: Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Max Heim
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 11:25 AM
> To: mglist <mgs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] wire wheels vs disks
>=C2=A0
> Well, when I had that situation with two MGBs (I wanted to put the wir= e wheels on the car I was planning to restore, and swap the steel wheels to= the car i would dispose of), I swapped the entire suspensions ? the third = member (rear axle) with leaf springs, and the front subframe with all suspe= nsion attached. You wouldn?t have to do the leafs ? I happened to know whic= h set was newer. Actually, in this case, the wire wheel suspension had been= regularly maintained and had many new parts, and the steel wheel setup had= been sitting untouched for possibly 30 years, so it was clear that I wante= d all the other components along with the wire wheel hubs. If the situation= regarding the condition of the parts had been different, I might have trie= d to do it piecemeal. But in my case the full swap was the easiest and best= way.
>=C2=A0
> --
> Max Heim
> mvheim@sonic.net= <mailto:mvhei= m@sonic.net>
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> On Jun 22, 2022, at 7:10 AM, dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com <mailto:dave@ranteer.com>> wrot= e:
>=C2=A0
> I have 2 MGAs, 56 and 59.=C2=A0 I want to swap the axles? Because one = is a disk car and one is a wire wheel car.
>=C2=A0
> How hard is that?
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From: PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73@virginmedia.com>
To: mgs@autox.team.= net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] wire wheels vs disks
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Based on the MGB as long as it is the same design of axle it's not
difficult, just needs a shorter handbrake cable.

On 22/06/2022 15:10, dave northrup wrote:
>
> I have 2 MGAs, 56 and 59.? I want to swap the axles? Because one is a =
> disk car and one is a wire wheel car.
>
> How hard is that?
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