Subject: [Mgs] MGA Clutch line

From: dave northrup <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 01:45:56 +0000

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I think that the metal clutch line from the master down to the joint where =
the hose connects is leaking at the flare opposite the hose so I'm going to=
 have it redone.

My question is this:  this group of parts that goes between the master and =
the metal line itself - is it really necessary???  The brake line goes dire=
ctly into the master; is there any good reason why the clutch goes through =
all these parts? (this is from the Scarborough Faire catalog)

I'm thinking it makes sense to just bypass it and have them make a line tha=
t follows the correct path going directly into the master bypassing all tha=
t.  Yes I know it will be longer and have some additional undulations.

I just don't see a good engineering reason to have the banjo bolt there whe=
n the tubing could just plug directly into the master like for the brake li=
ne.

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think that the metal clutch line from the master d=
own to the joint where the hose connects is leaking at the flare opposite t=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">My question is this:&nbsp; this group of parts that =
goes between the master and the metal line itself &#8211; is it really nece=
ssary???&nbsp; The brake line goes directly into the master; is there any g=
ood reason why the clutch goes through all these parts?
 (this is from the Scarborough Faire catalog)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I&#8217;m thinking it makes sense to just bypass it =
and have them make a line that follows the correct path going directly into=
 the master bypassing all that.&nbsp; Yes I know it will be longer and have=
 some additional undulations.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I just don&#8217;t see a good engineering reason to =
have the banjo bolt there when the tubing could just plug directly into the=
 master like for the brake line.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 02:19:33 -0500

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the cluch pipe is one size larger than the brake 
pipe. the clutch pipe willnot screw directly into 
the master cylinder without some adapter 
fitting.  The banjo fitting provides the larger port fot e3hthe clutch pipe=
=2E

08:45 PM 11/26/2023, dave northrup wrote:

>I think that the metal clutch line from the 
>master down to the joint where the hose connects 
>is leaking at the flare opposite the hose so I=92m going to have it redone=
=2E
>
>My question is this:  this group of parts that 
>goes between the master and the metal line 
>itself =96 is it really necessary???  The brake 
>line goes directly into the master; is there any 
>good reason why the clutch goes through all 
>these parts? (this is from the Scarborough Faire catalog)
>
>[]
>
>
>
>
>I=92m thinking it makes sense to just bypass it 
>and have them make a line that follows the 
>correct path going directly into the master 
>bypassing all that.  Yes I know it will be 
>longer and have some additional undulations.
>
>I just don=92t see a good engineering reason to 
>have the banjo bolt there when the tubing could 
>just plug directly into the master like for the brake line.
>....

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<font size=3D3>the cluch pipe is one size larger than the brake pipe. the
clutch pipe willnot screw directly into the master cylinder without some
adapter fitting.&nbsp; The banjo fitting provides the larger port fot
e3hthe clutch pipe.<br><br>
<br>
08:45 PM 11/26/2023, dave northrup wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">I think that the metal clutc=
h
line from the master down to the joint where the hose connects is leaking
at the flare opposite the hose so I=92m going to have it redone.<br>
<br>
My question is this:&nbsp; this group of parts that goes between the
master and the metal line itself =96 is it really necessary???&nbsp; The
brake line goes directly into the master; is there any good reason why
the clutch goes through all these parts? (this is from the Scarborough
Faire catalog)<br>
<br>
<img src=3D"cid:[email-masked]" width=3D97=
 height=3D241 alt=3D"[]">
<br><br>
&nbsp;<br><br>
I=92m thinking it makes sense to just bypass it and have them make a line
that follows the correct path going directly into the master bypassing
all that.&nbsp; Yes I know it will be longer and have some additional
undulations.<br>
<br>
I just don=92t see a good engineering reason to have the banjo bolt there
when the tubing could just plug directly into the master like for the
brake line.<br>
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There is also the idea that it is nearly 
impossible to reach behind the master cylinder 
for wrenching on direct fit flatre nuts.  The 
banjo fitting makes wrench access much 
easier.  Some people prefer to also install banjo 
fittings on both brake ande clutch lines to make life easier.

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attiotude
http://MGAguru.com

>....
>Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 02:19:33 -0500
>To: dave northrup <[email-masked]>,<[email-masked]>
>From: Barney Gaylord <[email-masked]>
>
>pipe. the clutch pipe willnot screw directly 
>into the master cylinder without some adapter 
>fitting.  The banjo fitting provides the larger port fot e3hthe clutch pip=
e.

>At 08:45 PM 11/26/2023, dave northrup wrote:
>
>>master down to the joint where the hose 
>>connects is leaking at the flare opposite the 
>>hose so I=92m going to have it redone.
>>
>>line goes directly into the master; is there 
>>any good reason why the clutch goes through all 

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<font size=3D3>There is also the idea that it is nearly impossible to reach=

behind the master cylinder for wrenching on direct fit flatre nuts.&nbsp;
The banjo fitting makes wrench access much easier.&nbsp; Some people
prefer to also install banjo fittings on both brake ande clutch lines to
make life easier.<br><br>
Barney Gaylord<br>
1958 MGA with an attiotude<br>
<a href=3D"http://mgaguru.com/" eudora=3D"autourl">http://MGAguru.com<br><b=
r>
<br>
</a><blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">....<br>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 02:19:33 -0500<br>
To: dave northrup
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;,&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
From: Barney Gaylord &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><br>
the cluch pipe is one size larger than the brake pipe. the clutch pipe
willnot screw directly into the master cylinder without some adapter
fitting.&nbsp; The banjo fitting provides the larger port fot e3hthe
clutch pipe.</font></blockquote><br><br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D""><font size=3D3>At 08:45 PM
11/26/2023, dave northrup wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">I think that the metal clutc=
h
line from the master down to the joint where the hose connects is leaking
at the flare opposite the hose so I=92m going to have it redone.<br><br>
My question is this:&nbsp; this group of parts that goes between the
master and the metal line itself =96 is it really necessary???&nbsp; The
brake line goes directly into the master; is there any good reason why
the clutch goes through all these parts? (this is from the Scarborough
Faire catalog)<br><br>
<img src=3D"cid:.0" width=3D97 height=3D241 alt=3D"[]">&nbsp;<br><br>
&nbsp;<br><br>
I=92m thinking it makes sense to just bypass it and have them make a line
that follows the correct path going directly into the master bypassing
all that.&nbsp; Yes I know it will be longer and have some additional
undulations.<br><br>
I just don=92t see a good engineering reason to have the banjo bolt there
when the tubing could just plug directly into the master like for the
brake line.<br>
=2E...</font></blockquote></blockquote><div id=3D"DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4=
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