From morgans-owner@autox.team.net Sat Jun 17 07:35:25 2006 From: deemi@juno.com To: morgans@autox.team.net, emog@lyris.dundee.net Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:28:31 -0400 Subject: Clutch information summary Here is a Clutch summary +4 Clutch Info From: Bob Bowie in Maine Last update: November 25, 2005 Bob Bowie in Maine wrote up some of the info he found out about the clutches for the +4s while restoring his SS. Flywheel The flywheel is same as TR3/4 for all plus 4 years, it has TWO dowel pins and is about 11.25 inches diamter. it has the sweat on ring gear The flywheel is 1 and 7/16 thick at the edge. This includes the ring gear. Number of bolts that hold the clutch pressure plate to the flywheel 6 Sources Flywheels are not listed as available, ring gears had moss and the Roadster factory as sources, some racing outfits offer alloy flywheels. Mistakes The TR4a flywheel is smaller at 11 inch diameter and has three pin locaters, there is a an MGB pressure plate fix with the 8.5 inch clutch plate from a TR4A/TR6 that requires a new hole in the throwout to give proper throw out clearance (see Morgan Bedside Reader-Greg Solow made this conversion) Clutch Plate: Originally Borg and Beck 9 inch single dry plate the clutch plate is 9 inch diameter, same as TR4 (actually TR3 from 1955 on at least) Girling application book: The driven plate is 85824/00RP Driven plate: Borg & Beck 50052, Delphi # LL50J Automotive products HB9715Q BAP-GEON New part number 45692/15 Rebuilt part number 47344 (by the way lists the same part number for tr3/4 and Austin Healey 100/4 to 1956, 100/6 - 1957-?1962 (I thought they changed to 3000 in 59!) also found CD344 Sources: Most all vendors Mistakes The TR4a clutch disc is smaller than the TR4! dont use it in a standard Morgan setup. (Greg Solow and Fred Sisson can tell you how to use one) Pressure Plate: The Pressure plate is same as early 100-4 Austin-Healey and goes into early 100-6 series as well. May be Pressure plate: Borg & Beck # 45692/15 and/or 34H44 HA3359Q (?Automotive products number) also reference CC344 found Sources Linda at Morgan Spares does have these in Stock Pressure Plate 100-372 Moss may have them Melvyn Rutter rebuilds them They have been made by Automotive Products plc of Leamington Spa, England. Mistakes: Dont use a Triumph Pressure plate for TR engine Morgan as the throw out bearing will hit teeth. I have a note that mentions another source also for the throw out bearing early JAg xk120? Summary If you measure your flywheel and its just 11 inches consider the Sisson fix, or if thats what all you can find. If you want original, your going to need a TR3/4 two dowel type flywheel 11 inches, a good machinest can also fix this issue. The size of the flywheel and clutch assembly got smaller at the TR4a, but not for Morgans. Now will the M418G (tr4 type) starter fit TR3 flywheel. Bob Bowie /// unsubscribe/change address requests to majordomo@autox.team.net or try /// http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo /// Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From morgans-owner@autox.team.net Sat Jun 17 18:25:51 2006 From: "Chris Burdo" To: morgans@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 01:21:10 +0000 Subject: New Member..probably an old question though Hi, My friend and I are in the process of restoring a 63' +4,(with the useless rear seat..;-)). We've been working on this car for many years in between other brit car projects. We've finally reached a point where we are installing the interior bits. After leafing through the vague manuals for the Morgan I still am having troubles working out how the front seats attach..I have figured out how the wood runners are attached but what of the actual seat frame itself. How does it stay attached to the wood runners? I have four metal plates, approx. 10"-12" long with to 1/2" holes each. Two of them have the holes a wee bit closer together than the other two. For the life of me I see no obvious way as to how the metal plates work with the seat frame. I also know that the long threaded bolt with the wingnut is used to move the seat back and forth. I have two of these and assume one goes to each seat. Outside of the bits mentioned that's all I have. Are these the actual bits for the seat and if so how do that actually work to attach the seat to the wood runners? (I've searched in vain through our parts for this car and see nothing else that loks like it has anything else to do with the front seats.) Thanks much for any info you can provide. Chris, Norwich, CT, www.burdospeed.com /// unsubscribe/change address requests to majordomo@autox.team.net or try /// http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo /// Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From morgans-owner@autox.team.net Sun Jun 18 05:36:56 2006 From: Nelson & Linda Warner To: Chris Burdo Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 08:32:23 -0400 Subject: Re: New Member..probably an old question though Chris, > My friend and I are in the process of restoring a 63' +4,(with the > useless rear seat..;-)). Are you speaking of a 4 seater? If so, I can help, I've owned a '61 4seater for many years and spent 5 years rebuilding it. I'm only about 25 miles from "The Rose City". My seats are held in place with 2 threaded rods, 2 nuts and 2 large fender washers under the floor, that pass through the floor and a 1" wide metal plate, lock washers and nuts to hold this assembly in place. The second plate goes on top of the seat frame, lock washers and 2 wing nuts to hold the seat in place. Adjustment is simple, loosen the wing nuts, move the seat to where you think it might be comfortable, get in and see if it works for you, when satisfied get out and tighten wing nuts. I can try to take pictures or make a field trip. Nelson The road goes on forever ... On Jun 17, 2006, at 9:21 PM, Chris Burdo wrote: > Hi, > We've been working on this car for many years in between other > brit car projects. We've finally reached a point where we are > installing the interior bits. After leafing through the vague manuals > for the Morgan I still am having troubles working out how the front > seats attach..I have figured out how the wood runners are attached but > what of the actual seat frame itself. How does it stay attached to the > wood runners? /// unsubscribe/change address requests to majordomo@autox.team.net or try /// http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo /// Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From morgans-owner@autox.team.net Sun Jun 18 07:28:01 2006 From: "Chris Burdo" To: morgans@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 14:17:26 +0000 Subject: Re: New Member..probably an old question though part II Thanks for all the replies, The configiration that all of you describe sounds correct. The reason though that I couldn't figure it out is that there are no holes in the floorboards for the bolts to pass through. They were purchased from Bassetts way back 20+ years ago when I was playing in a sand box. From what my friend told me though, (He's owned it since 72'), is that these floorboards have been installed in he car before it was dismantled for restoration which seems impossible as the seats wouldn't have been held down as best that I can see. Nevertheless I now understand what I need to do to get them to stay put. Next question though, does this mean I actually need two bolts/wingnuts per seat? (I assume so as that is how many holes the plates have and lets face it, it makes sense..of course having worked on brit cars for some years I can also add in that what makes sense isn't what always happens). Also with the mounting plates..seeing two have holes a little farther apart than the other two do I use one of each on each seat which would leave the threaded bolt at an angle as it passes through the floor? (I note that two plates are a thinner gauge than the other two as well giving me the impession that the thicker plates go on the bottom of the car). In regards to the rear seat..we will be keeping the rear seat although we did debate it awhile ago. I will look into the history of the car and find out what the story is on it for you. Also I'll try to get a page up with pictures of the car as it sits right now. I'll get in touch with Nelson as he's nearby and maybe wouldn't mind stopping by for a looksee..tried this morning, no one home..:-/ One last question..receiving posts from the list I see that they come from individuals verses the list itself. I'm not given the option to accept anyones post as "This is from a mailing list and I want to accept any from this list.." . I use Majordomo for my Jag lists without this problem and also are given the option to accept all from the list. Anyone ever run into this problem? >Chris, > >>My friend and I are in the process of restoring a 63' +4,(with the useless >>rear seat..;-)). > >Are you speaking of a 4 seater? If so, I can help, I've owned a '61 >4seater for many years and spent 5 years rebuilding it. I'm only about 25 >miles from "The Rose City". >My seats are held in place with 2 threaded rods, 2 nuts and 2 large fender >washers under the floor, that pass through the floor and a 1" wide metal >plate, lock washers and nuts to hold this assembly in place. The second >plate goes on top of the seat frame, lock washers and 2 wing nuts to hold >the seat in place. > >Adjustment is simple, loosen the wing nuts, move the seat to where you >think it might be comfortable, get in and see if it works for you, when >satisfied get out and tighten wing nuts. > >I can try to take pictures or make a field trip. >Nelson >The road goes on forever ... Thanks again for your help, Chris /// unsubscribe/change address requests to majordomo@autox.team.net or try /// http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo /// Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From morgans-owner@autox.team.net Sun Jun 18 08:18:22 2006 From: "John T. Blair" To: morgans@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:06:34 -0400 Subject: Re: New Member..probably an old question though part II At 02:17 PM 6/18/2006 +0000, Chris Burdo wrote: > >One last question..receiving posts from the list I see that they come from >individuals verses the list itself. I'm not given the option to accept >anyones post as "This is from a mailing list and I want to accept any from >this list.." . I use Majordomo for my Jag lists without this problem and >also are given the option to accept all from the list. Anyone ever run into >this problem? Chris, The default for this is, set by the host, has email going to the original sender when you simply reply. If you "reply all" it will send it back to the list. So what I do, is do the "reply all", then cut the list out of the cc field, and paste it over the TO:. So many people are probably just hitting reply. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va (eBay id: zebra48-1) Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! /// unsubscribe/change address requests to majordomo@autox.team.net or try /// http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo /// Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From morgans-owner@autox.team.net Mon Jun 19 05:59:50 2006 From: Oddcarnut@aol.com To: cburdo@hotmail.com, morgans@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:53:29 EDT Subject: Re: New Member..probably an old question though In a message dated 6/17/2006 9:24:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cburdo@hotmail.com writes: My friend and I are in the process of restoring a 63' +4,(with the useless rear seat..;-)). Chris, I also have a 63 4 seater and could take some photos if it would help. The post by John, gave a correct description of the threaded rods and plate used to hold/adjust the seats. Actually we find the back seat very useful...makes a nice trunk when the kids get left at home. But it has also served well hauling our two kids to school in the mornings on the way to work. Also works well for hauling the Saint Bernard to the vet...ther drool gets blown to those tailgating :-) Cheers, Ken Payne /// unsubscribe/change address requests to majordomo@autox.team.net or try /// http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo /// Archives at http://www.team.net/archive