Subject: [Morgans] Rear brakes stuck

From: "John T. Blair" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 13:34:10 -0500

Well, I went over to my dad last week to try and move my Morgan, no luck.
The rear drum brakes are frozen.  So now come the question how to get
them unstuck with miminual damage?

I have wire wheels, so I can't put a bar across a couple of the studs and try
standing on the bar.

I did a google search for this, and that was what a lot of people did, and the
other thing was to beat on the drum with a hammer.  I may try that and
hopefully not damage the drums.

I had a couple of friends over and the 3 of us tried to pull the car backwards
and the wheels just slid on the garage concrete floor.

I'm up for any suggestions.

John

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From: <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 22:47:11 +0000

Hi John- 1) Handbrake stuck on? Maybe access the "T" pivot back by the rear axle and see if you can rotate it to release the handbrake 2) Maybe open the bleeder screws on the rear drums so the wheel cylinder pistons can retract more easily?

Jeff S
1968 4/4
---- "John T. Blair" <[email-masked]> wrote: 
> At 02:54 PM 11/24/2018, Bill B wrote:
> 
>  >Had the same problem with friends BN1 Healey.  I used a 4lb soft-blow hammer
>  >around the drum and got to where we could GENTLY pry it off with a couple of
>  >flat bars, or long tommy bars.
> 
>  >Please be careful, a steel hammer or prying vigorously could break the drum.
> 
> Bill,
> 
> Thanks.  Yes I'll be careful.  My problem is NOT getting the drums 
> off, it's getting
> the wheels to turn so I can drive it or get it on a tow truck and 
> have it moved to
> my place. :)
> 
> John
> 
> 

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From: Richard Cooperman <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 22:58:32 -0500

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Hi John,
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What William suggested brought to mind what I did when one of my rear brake=
s froze up about ten years ago.=C2=A0 It was a nice summers day and I drove=
 my '67 4/4 off for about a 10 mile lunch run.=C2=A0 When I stopped there w=
as an unpleasant smell from driver's side rear and a smoking brake drum.=C2=
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After some thought over lunch, I did exactly what William suggested=C2=A0 -=
 I backed off the adjustment screw on the affected wheel.=C2=A0 That freed =
the wheel up and I was able to carefully drive home with just the front bra=
kes operative.=C2=A0 If I remember right the drum came off easily.=C2=A0 I =
needed new brake shoes and I replaced both rear wheel brake cylinders.=C2=
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Richard
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In a message dated 11/25/2018 9:30:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, jblair1948@=
cox.net writes:

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At 10:34 AM 11/25/2018, William Lyons wrote:

 >Have you tried backing off the adjustment screws?

 William,

 No not yet.=C2=A0 I haven't been back over to work on the car since I disc=
overed the
 problem.=C2=A0 The kids came home for Thanksgiving, so spent the time with=
 the family.=C2=A0 We'll see how the weather is this next week or so.

 John

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<div><span style="font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #333333; background-color: #ffffff;">What William suggested brought to mind what I did when one of my rear brakes froze up about ten years ago.&nbsp; It was a nice summers day and I drove my '67 4/4 off for about a 10 mile lunch run.&nbsp; When I stopped there was an unpleasant smell from driver's side rear and a smoking brake drum.<br> </span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #333333; background-color: #ffffff;">After some thought over lunch, I did exactly what William suggested&nbsp; - I backed off the adjustment screw on the affected wheel.&nbsp; That freed the wheel up and I was able to carefully drive home with just the front brakes operative.&nbsp; If I remember right the drum came off easily.&nbsp; I needed new brake shoes and I replaced both rear wheel brake cylinders.&nbsp;<br></span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #333333; background-color: #ffffff;">Richard</span></div>
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<div class="aolReplacedBody"><span style="font-size: medium;">At 10:34 AM 11/25/2018, William Lyons wrote:<br><br> &gt;Have you tried backing off the adjustment screws?<br><br> William,<br><br> No not yet.&nbsp; I haven't been back over to work on the car since I discovered the<br> problem.&nbsp; The kids came home for Thanksgiving, so spent the time with the family.&nbsp; We'll see how the weather is this next week or so.<br><br> John<br><br> </span>
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From: "John T. Blair" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 23:43:08 -0500

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At 10:58 PM 11/25/2018, Richard Cooperman wrote:

 >What William suggested brought to mind what I did when one of my rear brakes
 > froze up about ten years ago.  It was a nice summers day and I drove my '67
 >4/4 off for about a 10 mile lunch run.  When I stopped there was an 
unpleasant
 >smell from driver's side rear and a smoking brake drum. ........

Richard,

Thanks for the input.

When I get a chance to go work on the car, I'll let you all know how it goes.

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&gt;What William suggested brought to mind what I did when one of my rear
brakes<br>
&gt; froze up about ten years ago.&nbsp; It was a nice summers day and I
drove my '67 <br>
&gt;4/4 off for about a 10 mile lunch run.&nbsp; When I stopped there was
an unpleasant <br>
&gt;smell from driver's side rear and a smoking brake drum.
........<br><br>
Richard,<br><br>
Thanks for the input.<br><br>
When I get a chance to go work on the car, I'll let you all know how it
goes.<br><br>
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Phone:&nbsp; (757) 495-8229</div>
<br>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 48
TR1800&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 48 #4 Midget&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 65 Morgan 4/4
Series V (B1106)</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
77 Spitfire&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 71 Saab Sonett III</div>
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65 Rambler Classic</div>
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