From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 1 09:26:17 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 08:26:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam period race photos Ahh, good clean racing ;-) Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "MWood24020@aol.com" To: drmayf@mayfco.com; prbreuhan@hotmail.com Cc: milano164@comcast.net; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 5:30:10 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam period race photos In a message dated 1/31/2008 5:23:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, drmayf@mayfco.com writes: I agree with you, lol. I zoomed in on the picture and he is definitely giving him the middle finger! Maybe he had to pass on the outside, coming into the corner and he was pissed that the tiger did not allow him to pass on the inside? That does make more sense than what I suggested...the Porsche would be much, much quicker than the Sunbeam and I could see him in pursuit of the other Porsche and getting blocked on turn in and being pissed! Guess I need to have the old eyes examined... :-) Well, in any case, those are some great pictures! Mike **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 1 09:58:23 2008 From: "Taylor, Matthew" To: , Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 08:58:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam period race photos The #55 is THE Tiger, as far as I'm concerned. Outside of the rally cars, it was really the only race Tiger that got it done in a competitive class...Doane Spencer was a real genius. Mike, do not forget about Gordon Chittenden's Tiger. With over 20 trophies and at least two national championships in two different classes I'd say it was pretty competitive and might even make it the winningest Tiger in competition--Still researching. Matthew STOA President 66 Tiger 65 Mustang Fastback _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 1 10:28:41 2008 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: MTaylor@ea.com, drmayf@mayfco.com Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:28:16 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam period race photos In a message dated 2/1/2008 8:58:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, MTaylor@ea.com writes: Mike, do not forget about Gordon Chittenden's Tiger. With over 20 trophies and at least two national championships in two different classes I'd say it was pretty competitive and might even make it the winningest Tiger in competition--Still researching. How tough was the competition in XF/A, or whatever sports car class he was running in AHRA? ;-) Mike **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 1 12:18:15 2008 From: "Taylor, Matthew" To: , Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:18:06 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam period race photos How tough was the competition in XF/A, or whatever sports car class he was running in AHRA? ;-) >From my research, I'd say it was pretty tough competition, the same as in any form of racing, and he only ran that class in 1965. There is a ton of information on this subject in addition to a lot of Tiger history and I'm still researching. I sent an email to this list asking for any information and got nothing back, so apparently the information that I have uncovered is not known by the majority of the people in the Tiger community. Matthew _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 1 13:07:57 2008 From: milano164@comcast.net To: "Taylor, Matthew" , , Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:07:50 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam period race photos Mathew, I agree whole heartedly with your statement, "so apparently the information that I have uncovered is not known by the majority of the people in the Tiger community." Unfortunately, details and documentation regarding most Sunbeam racers in the US has been simply forgotten or lost over the years. There are exceptions, Jim Adams, Don Sesslar, Dan Carmichael, etc, but the real details have simply been lost. Hopefully, this information will be re-discovered and made public at some point. Either in a book or website. I have really enjoyed chasing down the average "joe (sunbeam) club racer" just to hear what they had to say about racing during the period. I'll never forget one racer I talked with in the Mid-west. He went to the 67' ARRC and as he explained that year Datsun had their drivers send their cars to Daytona be tuned and dyno'd by Datsun factory support teams before the event. You could tell he was still pissed off about that level of support extended by competition! Steve Silverstein www.racingalpines.org _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 1 13:26:28 2008 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: milano164@comcast.net, MTaylor@ea.com, drmayf@mayfco.com Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 15:26:03 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam period race photos In a message dated 2/1/2008 12:08:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, milano164@comcast.net writes: Mathew, I agree whole heartedly with your statement, "so apparently the information that I have uncovered is not known by the majority of the people in the Tiger community." Unfortunately, details and documentation regarding most Sunbeam racers in the US has been simply forgotten or lost over the years. There are exceptions, Jim Adams, Don Sesslar, Dan Carmichael, etc, but the real details have simply been lost. Hopefully, this information will be re-discovered and made public at some point. Either in a book or website. I have really enjoyed chasing down the average "joe (sunbeam) club racer" just to hear what they had to say about racing during the period. I'll never forget one racer I talked with in the Mid-west. He went to the 67' ARRC and as he explained that year Datsun had their drivers send their cars to Daytona be tuned and dyno'd by Datsun factory support teams before the event. You could tell he was still pissed off about that level of support extended by competition! Is it likely the significance attached to this information has grown with the increased interest in collecting and racing vintage cars? I would suggest that the reason the "information...uncovered" is not widely known is because, up to this point, it was never seen as significant. The AHRA records from the '60s have always been available, as have SCCA results...the only thing that has changed is people's level of interest in them, primarily as a means to make that special car even more "special" ;-) I hope this doesn't sound cynical, it is not meant in that way. I have gone through the process of restoring and racing a couple of vintage formula cars and agree that the research and stories that result add immeasurably to the whole experience. These cars were definitely campaigned in a "golden era" of automobile racing! **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 1 13:39:38 2008 From: milano164@comcast.net To: MWood24020@aol.com, MTaylor@ea.com, drmayf@mayfco.com Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:39:27 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam period race photos Actually, SCCA results and records are very limited. After 1964, SCCA national changed the method of record keeping (according to Pete Hilton) and the Regions became the primary record keepers. Long term conservation of these records by the Regions is spotty at best. Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 1 13:51:53 2008 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: milano164@comcast.net, MTaylor@ea.com, drmayf@mayfco.com Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 15:51:17 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam period race photos In a message dated 2/1/2008 12:39:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, milano164@comcast.net writes: Actually, SCCA results and records are very limited. After 1964, SCCA national changed the method of record keeping (according to Pete Hilton) and the Regions became the primary record keepers. Long term conservation of these records by the Regions is spotty at best. I went through that with a Crusader Formula Vee that was just a regional/local nationals type runner..and, that's with SFR being pretty darn good with archives. Fortunately, the builder was (and still is) alive and had detailed records of his cars' performance, owners and other stuff. I've also had luck finding people locally who have kept hard copy of years and years of the SCCA's regional publication (The Wheel, out here), listing race results, and found that helpful. For the Chittenden car, seeing as it was local to this area, I suggested to Matthew trying to go through the local network and nostalgia drag racing associations to try to find that "pack rat" who has kept all the old hard copy... **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 1 16:02:30 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: MWood24020@aol.com Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:02:20 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam period race photos Mike and Tigers, A good deal of the racing records set by Ken Miles (in his MG Specials) were west coast racing under the auspices of CSCC, California Sports Car Club, at venues such as Goleta and Torrey Pines. Ken was President of CSCC for some time. Because of the dominance of the CSCC in club racing, SCCA did not sponsor many events in this state. Out of state races were dominated by SCCA, and west coast racers had dual memberships. Maybe the "Cal Club" records are still available. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com MWood24020@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/1/2008 12:39:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > milano164@comcast.net writes: > > Actually, SCCA results and records are very limited. After 1964, SCCA > national changed the method of record keeping (according to Pete Hilton) and the > Regions became the primary record keepers. Long term conservation of these > records by the Regions is spotty at best. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 1 17:02:31 2008 From: sunbeam john To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:02:24 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] B382001014 Hello Everyone, I am trying to located the owner of M1A Navy B382001014 I believe the car is in Maui, HI. If anyone know of this Tiger please have the owner call or email me. Thank you, John Cossman sunbeamjohn@msn.com 480 695-4570 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Feb 2 21:16:12 2008 From: Jeffrey Nichols To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:15:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Fl Tiger for sale. Here is a Tiger for sale in Florida http://bringatrailer.com/2008/01/29/stored-since-75-1965-sunbeam-tiger-mk1/. Stored for 30 plus years with the "Pie" mags, hard top and original radio console for $25500. VIN 9473192LRXFE Looks kind of rusty for a Florida car. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Feb 3 09:57:12 2008 From: Steve Sage To: TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 09:57:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Seat Bottom Fun I got a new rubber seat bottom diaphragm from Sunbeam Specialties as the metal clips had ripped through the tabs on one side on the old one (if that makes sense). It gave me a sagging feeling sitting in the car, like I was leaning to the left, even though I'm a Republican. Getting the old diaphragm out will be easy...just cutting it with an exacto knife, but how do I get the new one back on? There is not a lot of stretch to that rubber material and I don't want to risk ripping it during the re-installation, plus, what could I use to apply leverage to stretch it? Thanks for any ideas! Steve Sage 1966 MK1A _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Feb 3 10:48:55 2008 From: jimboynton@comcast.net To: Steve Sage Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:48:49 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Seat Bottom Fun When I did mine I heated the diaphragm carefully, placed the hooks on one side into the set frame and than placed a piece of strong wire in the other hooks and with a visegrip pulled the hooks into the seat frame....cut the wire after and it worked great. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Steve Sage > I got a new rubber seat bottom diaphragm from Sunbeam Specialties as the > metal clips had ripped through the tabs on one side on the old one (if > that makes sense). It gave me a sagging feeling sitting in the car, like > I was leaning to the left, even though I'm a Republican. > > Getting the old diaphragm out will be easy...just cutting it with an > exacto knife, but how do I get the new one back on? There is not a lot > of stretch to that rubber material and I don't want to risk ripping it > during the re-installation, plus, what could I use to apply leverage to > stretch it? > > Thanks for any ideas! > > Steve Sage > 1966 MK1A > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jimboynton@comcast.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Feb 3 13:00:18 2008 From: Theo Smit To: Steve Sage Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 13:08:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Seat Bottom Fun Steve, Check out Joe Parlanti's seat restoration article on Tigers United: Theo >> Getting the old diaphragm out will be easy...just cutting it with an >> exacto knife, but how do I get the new one back on? There is not a lot >> of stretch to that rubber material and I don't want to risk ripping it >> during the re-installation, plus, what could I use to apply leverage to >> stretch it? >> >> Thanks for any ideas! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Feb 3 13:05:39 2008 From: fsimer@gac.edu To: TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 14:05:13 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] What is it worth Tiger HEH-E trans w/o bellhousing I have an extra HEH-E 4sp in my shop- I am sure it needs a rebuild- anyone have an idea what these are going for now? I know once properly rebuilt they are pricey- - this one has a sunbeam specialties tag on it. But no shifter Frank Simer Minneapolis _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 4 09:23:47 2008 From: "Alan Zeni" To: "tiger" Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 08:23:16 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Plug Info I hope someone out on the list can help. I'm in final assembly of my 5 bolt 289 with gt40p heads. I was wondering if anyone knew the proper plug/heat range to use. Currently I have the stock ignition with plans to upgrade. Thanks in advance. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 4 10:41:45 2008 From: Sjhcobra1@cs.com To: tsmit@shaw.ca (Theo Smit), fastsage@cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:41:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Seat Bottom Fun Steve: My friend, Nick Kintner, introduced me to needle nose vice grips for stretching the hooks for attaching the diaphragms. They work quite well. Steve Halbrook Theo Smit wrote: >Steve, >Check out Joe Parlanti's seat restoration article on Tigers United: > > >Theo > >>> Getting the old diaphragm out will be easy...just cutting it with an >>> exacto knife, but how do I get the new one back on? There is not a lot >>> of stretch to that rubber material and I don't want to risk ripping it >>> during the re-installation, plus, what could I use to apply leverage to >>> stretch it? >>> >>> Thanks for any ideas! >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as sjhcobra1@cs.com > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 4 11:00:51 2008 From: Steve Sage To: Sjhcobra1@cs.com Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 11:00:51 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Seat Bottom Fun Steve: Excellent idea. I'm heading to the hardware store this afternoon to pick one of those up. If that doesn't quite do it, I'll probably use a hair drier to heat it up a bit too. Thanks to everyone for all the great suggestions so far. Steve Sage Sjhcobra1@cs.com wrote: > Steve: > > My friend, Nick Kintner, introduced me to needle nose vice grips for stretching the hooks for attaching the diaphragms. They work quite well. > > Steve Halbrook _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 4 13:52:22 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: Alan Zeni , tiger Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:52:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Plug Info If no one on the LIST knows, then you might try calling the Summit hotline- they have techs that will answer your question. I have a set of gt40P heads as well(in a box) so Im interested when you find out what plug to use- ALSO, Im interested to know how the headeres fit since the plug comes out the middle and not on an angle like they always have on other ford heads. please let me/us know if you have to do anything to the headers or stock exchaust manifolds to make the plugs removeable etc. I reccomened you prefit the headers/mainfolds to see if the plugs will screw in, proir to installing the engine. Let us know about the fitment vs. the plugs. Thanks, TonytheTiger ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 4 14:12:52 2008 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:12:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fl Tiger for sale. My cousins lived on the ocean side of A-1-A in Melbourne Beach for many years. They had to replace their kitchen appliances every five years or so, the salt in the air would literally rust them from the outside-in. I vividly remember a refrigerator showing insulation through the door. Yes, Florida cars can be a real rust nightmare, the salt spray gets into every crevice. And $25 large seems a bit steep for a MK1 needing that much work, original or not. Bugz -----Original Message----- Here is a Tiger for sale in Florida Looks kind of rusty for a Florida car. -----Original Message----- Here is a Tiger for sale in Florida Looks kind of rusty for a Florida car. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Feb 5 09:37:18 2008 From: Carmods@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:37:03 EST Subject: [Tigers] Spark Plug Heat Ranges Here is a list of temperature ranges for different manufactures in a table. I don't know if tables will go through. If not send me an E-mail and I will send it to you. John Logan Bosch Motor craft Champion NGK Denso AC Delco Hot 9 5 14 4 14 45 Lower revving normally aspirated * 8 4 12 5 16 44 Standard normally aspirated * 7 3 10 6 20 43 Typically coldest normally aspirated * 6 2 8 7 42 Cold 5 1 6 8 22 41 Supercharged/ Turbocharged **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Feb 5 12:57:16 2008 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:57:08 EST Subject: [Tigers] Engine running Hello, I am jubilant ! My rebuild 260 with LAT 1 options and Pertronix is up and running ! And ported and polished. And am I stoked! Not home yet but really soon. Thanks to all that have struggled with me through this affair. It was early October when it went south. Anybody with high mileage on an original engine should change out the nylon toothed sprocket with the now normal iron version. I'd be still on the original for years............ The engine compartment is painted body color and new engine compartment gaskets give it great look. Thanks again to everyone. You've all been generous in the extreme. News as it arrives. Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright@aol.com **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Feb 5 13:22:54 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:22:48 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Mechanical Parts Tigers, I just found a newspaper reference to a parts store that lists Alpine and Tiger major brand parts. I do not endorse or recommend this source from lack of direct experience, but it is interesting. I DO recommend Sunbeam Specialties But a perusal RockAuto.com is intersting. http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/raframecatalog.php Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Feb 5 16:18:44 2008 From: "Ronak, TP \(Timothy\)" To: Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:18:25 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Heat range for a GT40P head I installed a set of GT40P heads on my wife's mustang All in all they work great and I am happy with the result but I did run into a couple of fitment challenges. Plugs I used were stock plugs for a 96-97 explorer Some things to look out for: Clearance to the headers and especially where the plug wires connect. Clearance at the bottom of the rockers. I used the Comp Cams roller tip rockers and the heads I used were modified heads with slightly shorter Chevy performance valves. It turns out that I should have milled the stud mounting locations down 100 thousands to clear the bottom of the rockers. I also had to run .250 SHORTER pushrods to obtain valve train geometry. Of course if you use stock components this is NOT a problem. If you have the heads machined for the later model or Mustang 5.0 emissions, be sure to block the exhaust emission holes at the rear of the heads. If anyone is interested I have another set of ready to run GT40P heads (they have 7500 miles on them) I have new valve seals and 2 sets of springs or a set of good flat tappet hydraulic springs. $250 for the heads and $25 for the set of springs with the heads. They are in Mission Viejo CA. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak@crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak@cox.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Feb 5 16:56:57 2008 From: Jeffrey Nichols To: tigers@autox.team.net, achd73@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:56:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] GT 40 Heads "I have a set of gt40P heads as well(in a box) so Im interested when you find out what plug to use- ALSO, Im interested to know how the headeres fit since the plug comes out the middle and not on an angle like they always have on other ford heads." With the plugs installed at a right angle to the heads, it may be very difficult to change them with the engine in place. Which may not be a problem with platinum 100, 000 mile plugs. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Feb 5 18:08:47 2008 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: Timothy.Ronak@crna.akzonobel.com, tiger@missiongranite.com Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 20:08:16 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Heat range for a GT40P head The Jan 2008 TE/AE Rootes Review has a great article 'Spark Plugs Facts, Myths, and Tips. Great charts listing various makes of Plugs, heat range and application. My Stock Tiger came with BRF42 AutoLites (the RF means Resistor Plugs with Radio Supression. The more Hp Tiger ran BRF52. The AutoLites were replaced with Motorcrafts Of course these plugs are no longer available. I got two sets of new plugs for $.50 each at a Parts Swap. One set is in my car and the other is my back up. Wonder what they are worth on Ebay? Dave In a message dated 2/5/2008 5:19:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, Timothy.Ronak@crna.akzonobel.com writes: I installed a set of GT40P heads on my wife's mustang All in all they work great and I am happy with the result but I did run into a couple of fitment challenges. Plugs I used were stock plugs for a 96-97 explorer Some things to look out for: Clearance to the headers and especially where the plug wires connect. Clearance at the bottom of the rockers. I used the Comp Cams roller tip rockers and the heads I used were modified heads with slightly shorter Chevy performance valves. It turns out that I should have milled the stud mounting locations down 100 thousands to clear the bottom of the rockers. I also had to run .250 SHORTER pushrods to obtain valve train geometry. Of course if you use stock components this is NOT a problem. If you have the heads machined for the later model or Mustang 5.0 emissions, be sure to block the exhaust emission holes at the rear of the heads. If anyone is interested I have another set of ready to run GT40P heads (they have 7500 miles on them) I have new valve seals and 2 sets of springs or a set of good flat tappet hydraulic springs. $250 for the heads and $25 for the set of springs with the heads. They are in Mission Viejo CA. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak@crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak@cox.net You are subscribed as djoh797014@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Feb 6 07:53:36 2008 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: DJoh797014@aol.com, Timothy.Ronak@crna.akzonobel.com, Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:52:48 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Heat range for a GT40P head There is the second part of the spark plug article coming up in the February issue of the Rootes Review. John LOgan, Sr. is the author of the articles. Fred Baum Editor, the Rootes Review TE/AE **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Feb 6 07:57:59 2008 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: FHSLOTH13@aol.com, DJoh797014@aol.com, Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:57:22 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Heat range for a GT40P head Yeah, I know, I did a lousy job editing that last email. It's cold, rainy and too early in the morning. Fred Baum **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Feb 6 13:30:56 2008 From: Dick Barker To: tigers@autox.team.net,tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 12:30:45 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Autolite spark plugs At 11:00 AM 2/6/2008, Dave Johnson wrote: >My Stock Tiger came with BRF42 AutoLites (the RF means Resistor >Plugs with Radio Supression. The more Hp Tiger ran BRF52. ---------- According to the Sunbeam and Ford publications I have, Tigers were never shipped with resistor plugs (or radios). The standard Tiger plug was the BF-42. Clymer recommends the BF-32 and solid core plug wires in his Performance Tuning book. The 289HP certainly did not have resistor plugs. Ford books call for the BF-32, or for drag racing, the BF-22. No mention of a BF-52, which IMO would not be desirable. HP engines also had solid core wires. I don't think Ford or Shelby figured anybody with a HP was too worried about their radio. Dick Barker _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Feb 6 14:23:31 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: Dick Barker , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 13:23:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Autolite spark plugs At 11:00 AM 2/6/2008, Dave Johnson wrote: >My Stock Tiger came with BRF42 AutoLites (the RF means Resistor >Plugs with Radio Supression. The more Hp Tiger ran BRF52. Dave may well have had a radio in his stock Tiger and needed RF plugs and I think the "more Hp" related to his other Tiger that had more horsepower and you are right I doubt many guys in the go fast business concerned themselves with radio interference if they ran a HP (High Performance) engine in a race car or drag car but if their girlfriend wanted to listen to the radio and a change of plugs made that possible--well you see what I'm thinking. The B52 is a "one step' up hotter plug, some people run them if they are burning a touch of oil as well as thinking it makes fuel burn hotter or faster- of course this is IMO. Oh, I almost forgot, radio's where installed by the dealers if memory serves, which it seldom does. regards, TTT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Feb 6 14:51:18 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Tony Somebody" , Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 14:51:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Autolite spark plugs Tony, Higher performance engines (higher compression, more radical cam, supercharged, etc) invariably run best with colder plugs than what is recommended for a stock engine. Running a hot plug in a zoomy engine will result in melted plugs... if you're lucky. Now that many engines come with computer controls, the spark plug and wire technology have advanced to the point where you can get the cold heat range, as well as high spark energy, and good RF interference suppression to boot. Some ignition systems such as the Jacobs units sense feedback from the coil to tell whether or not the plug is firing properly and will adjust the spark energy (and re-fire the plug if necessary) to burn through plug-loading situations. This further allows you to run the proper heat range plug for performance considerations, and still loaf around town without fouling the plugs. Many of the computerized aftermarket ignition (and EFI) computer makers recommend strongly against solid-core wire and against non-resistor plugs, because the garbage put out by these plugs will interfere with the controller in all but the most careful installations. Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 7 12:53:58 2008 From: drmayf To: "tigers@autox.team.net" , Alpines Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:53:43 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers United... I will be making some sort of presentation to the United event in June at Big Bear. Ostensibly it will be on the little red race car, Spirit of Sunbeam and land speed racing... If you are attending, what kind of information or topics would you like hear about? I can make the presentaion fit jsut about what ever the general consensus is.. lemme know.. mayf _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 7 12:58:45 2008 From: David Sosna To: drmayf@mayfco.com Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:58:56 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers United... Well, hopefully it'll include your bringing the car itself...... :-) Best Regards David Sosna drmayf wrote: > I will be making some sort of presentation to the United event in June > at Big Bear. Ostensibly it will be on the little red race car, Spirit of > Sunbeam and land speed racing... If you are attending, what kind of > information or topics would you like hear about? I can make the > presentaion fit jsut about what ever the general consensus is.. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 7 14:37:54 2008 From: "Stephen Jones" To: Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 13:37:42 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Feb Classic and Sportscar Magazine The February edition of CLASSIC & SPORTSCAR has a great page and a half on Tiger memorabilia. Real nice pictures and items. steve jones B9470867 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 7 15:53:20 2008 From: Peter Laurinaitis To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:53:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] track tiger wanted anyone have any leads on a track-ready tiger for sale for vintage racing? thks peter Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02@wharton.upenn.edu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 7 20:40:50 2008 From: sunbeam john To: Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 20:40:40 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger For Sale I am looking to purchase (M1A or M1) a nice driver that has been restored with mechanical upgrades. If anyone know of one please call me or email. Thanks, John Cossman sunbeamjohn@msn.com 480 695-4570 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 7 20:58:54 2008 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: sunbeamjohn@msn.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 22:58:44 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger For Sale _http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=010&sspagename=ST RK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=200196994739&rd=1_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=010&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT&viewitem=&item=200 196994739&rd=1) **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. 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Is there anyone who can shed light on the possibility that some early Tigers might have been equipped this way? Perhaps the naked mirror came from a different Rootes machine? Thanks, Tim _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 06:03:55 2008 From: Stephen Waybright To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com, sunbeamjohn@msn.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 05:03:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger For Sale This car appears to be just a few miles from me. I'll try to check it out for anyone who is interested in it. Stephen Waybright --- AAAGLASSS@aol.com wrote: > _http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=010&sspagename=ST > RK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=200196994739&rd=1_ > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=010&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT&viewitem=&item=200 > 196994739&rd=1) > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL > Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as gswaybright@yahoo.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 06:30:34 2008 From: "Cullen McCann" To: "Stephen Waybright" , Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 07:26:54 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger For Sale Stephen, looks to me like it was removed. What was the story on it? Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger For Sale This car appears to be just a few miles from me. I'll try to check it out for anyone who is interested in it. Stephen Waybright --- AAAGLASSS@aol.com wrote: > _http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=010&sspagen ame=ST > RK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=200196994739&rd=1_ > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=010&sspagen ame=STRK:MEWA:IT&viewitem=&item=200 > 196994739&rd=1) > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL > Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003 000000025 > 48) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as gswaybright@yahoo.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as cmccann@lwpb.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 08:10:41 2008 From: "Ross" To: "'Cullen McCann'" , "'Stephen Waybright'" Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 07:10:30 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger For Sale Cullen, Use this item number in the search box on eBay. The car has 5 hours of bidding left. 200196994739 Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger For Sale Stephen, looks to me like it was removed. What was the story on it? Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger For Sale This car appears to be just a few miles from me. I'll try to check it out for anyone who is interested in it. Stephen Waybright _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 09:01:52 2008 From: Stephen Waybright To: Cullen McCann , tigers@autox.team.net, ron fraser Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 08:01:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger For Sale It's still listed on eBay.. make sure you have the full URL, as it gets truncated in some email programs. It's on their website @ http://harwood-enterprises.com/vehicles.php They are asking $49,900. i have a call in to them to see when I can stop by to see it (and the other cars). Ron Fraser - do you know this car or this business? Stephen Waybright --- Cullen McCann wrote: > Stephen, looks to me like it was removed. What was the story on it? > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger For Sale > > This car appears to be just a few miles from me. I'll try to check it > out for anyone who is interested in it. > > Stephen Waybright > > --- AAAGLASSS@aol.com wrote: > > > > _http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=010&sspagen > ame=ST > > RK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=200196994739&rd=1_ > > > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=010&sspagen > ame=STRK:MEWA:IT&viewitem=&item=200 > > 196994739&rd=1) > > > > > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL > > Music. > > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003 > 000000025 > > 48) > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as gswaybright@yahoo.com > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as cmccann@lwpb.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 09:21:46 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: gswaybright@yahoo.com, cmccann@lwpb.com, tigers@autox.team.net, Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:12:20 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger For Sale If anyone visits the dealer, try to get the names of the business owners and sales people. I had a terrible experience with a dealer in that city. I think they are long gone, but one never knows when a bad apple will reappear. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 09:22:05 2008 From: Bill Lawrence To: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:20:52 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 49 Tigers, I am looking for part numbers to tune up my 65 Tiger (260). The local parts suppliers do not seem to have current listings for these parts . Does anyone have NAPA, PEP boys, Advanced or similiar part house part numbers for the following? Air Cleaner Spark Plugs (standard stock) Dist Cap Rotor any other recommended tune up part? Thanks in advance Bill Lawrence _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 09:44:11 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: billlawrence@hotmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:43:42 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 49 On the plugs, cap and rotor tell them that you have a 1966 Ford Fairlane V8. They'll come right up with the numbers. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 09:56:19 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Bill Lawrence" , Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:55:57 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 49 Change out your plug wires, unless they're less than five or six years old. And be careful with the routing of the new wires. As Mark says... just get wires for a 289-V8 Fairlane. You might also get a new fan belt. Theo -----Original Message----- any other recommended tune up part? Thanks in advance Bill Lawrence _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 10:27:46 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, gswaybright@yahoo.com, cmccann@lwpb.com, Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:27:26 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger For Sale In a message dated 2/8/2008 12:22:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, rfraser@bluefrog.com writes: There are a couple of us in the Rochester NY area so if you want to say whom you had a terrible experience with we might know if that dealer is still around. Since it's a matter of public record I guess I can mention the dealership....Page One Auto, Rochester, NY. The family name that came involved with it was Palumbo. I believe the State of NY put them out of business. I don't see anyone with that name connected with this establishment. ML **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 10:29:40 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, gswaybright@yahoo.com, cmccann@lwpb.com, Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:29:15 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger For Sale And.. that seems to be a nice looking Tiger that they have for sale. Does the brake booster appear to be a replacement? I haven't seen mine for a while, but that one looks large. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 10:30:38 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "tiger list" Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 17:30:29 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] vibrating shifter i've noticed that the high rpm rattle from my shifter is getting worse. its particularly irksome now that my front end is in better shape and i can actually drive fast. at 4000 rpm the rattle approaches a deafening level so i think its high time i deal with the issue. luckily there is a dead spot where the resonance seems to calm down at 81-82mph but i can't drive everywhere at 81mph :) given that the vibration is damped if i hold tight or pull up on the shifter i'm thinking i just need to rebuild the shift linkage. any tips on how to do this or a place that sells new parts, kits? i had a look at toploaderheaven but i'm not sure the best route to take. as always any experience or opinions most welcome.... - owain. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 10:57:48 2008 From: "Jerry" To: , "'tiger list'" Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:55:43 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] vibrating shifter Owain, Try to determine where the vibration is originating, is it in the engine or the drive train. If you rev the eng. up to the vibration point out of gear and don't get the vibration you can assume that it is in the driveline. Drive the car up past the vibration point then take the car out of gear let the eng. go to idle, if you get the vibration then it is probably in the drive train. The first place to look are the u-joints, if they are sound check if there are any driveshaft balance weights that have been thrown off, then the last thing is to balance the driveshaft, but I think you will find something before you get to that point. I doubt very much that there is anything wrong inside the trany. Good luck Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 11:30 AM To: tiger list Subject: [Tigers] vibrating shifter i've noticed that the high rpm rattle from my shifter is getting worse. its particularly irksome now that my front end is in better shape and i can actually drive fast. at 4000 rpm the rattle approaches a deafening level so i think its high time i deal with the issue. luckily there is a dead spot where the resonance seems to calm down at 81-82mph but i can't drive everywhere at 81mph :) given that the vibration is damped if i hold tight or pull up on the shifter i'm thinking i just need to rebuild the shift linkage. any tips on how to do this or a place that sells new parts, kits? i had a look at toploaderheaven but i'm not sure the best route to take. as always any experience or opinions most welcome.... - owain. You are subscribed as jcmc2006@suddenlink.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 11:27:36 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: Jerry Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 18:27:24 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] vibrating shifter its not from the driveline because no matter the speed/gear the vibration is the same at a given rpm and dropping the clutch stops it. i suspect the origin of the vibration is either a slightly damaged clutch disc or a slightly misaligned gearbox/engine but i get the impression that something is loose in the shifter linkage since i can stop the vibration by holding the shifter up and down, hard. i have been planning to do 5speed which tom's kit but thats probably going to be next winter so i'd like to get this fixed as soon as possible if its just a case of putting in new shift linkage parts. On Feb 8, 2008 5:55 PM, Jerry wrote: > Owain, > > Try to determine where the vibration is originating, is it in the engine or > the drive train. If you rev the eng. up to the vibration point out of gear > and don't get the vibration you can assume that it is in the driveline. > Drive the car up past the vibration point then take the car out of gear let > the eng. go to idle, if you get the vibration then it is probably in the > drive train. The first place to look are the u-joints, if they are sound > check if there are any driveshaft balance weights that have been thrown off, > then the last thing is to balance the driveshaft, but I think you will find > something before you get to that point. > I doubt very much that there is anything wrong inside the trany. > > Good luck > > Jerry Christopherson > > 9473187 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Owain Lloyd > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 11:30 AM > To: tiger list > Subject: [Tigers] vibrating shifter > > i've noticed that the high rpm rattle from my shifter is getting > worse. its particularly irksome now that my front end is in better > shape and i can actually drive fast. at 4000 rpm the rattle > approaches a deafening level so i think its high time i deal with the > issue. luckily there is a dead spot where the resonance seems to calm > down at 81-82mph but i can't drive everywhere at 81mph :) > > given that the vibration is damped if i hold tight or pull up on the > shifter i'm thinking i just need to rebuild the shift linkage. > > any tips on how to do this or a place that sells new parts, kits? i > had a look at toploaderheaven but i'm not sure the best route to take. > > as always any experience or opinions most welcome.... > > - owain. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jcmc2006@suddenlink.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 11:37:52 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 18:37:45 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] vibrating shifter good. i'll start by ordering these and see where that takes me.... thanks. On Feb 8, 2008 5:59 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Owain > You need to check your Trunnions. They need to move freely. > Part 96 plus 2 springs, kits are available from any Mustang Shop and Sunbeam > Specialties. > > http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/7-GF-GearboxUni > t.pdf > > There could be more to it than just this but it is a starting point. I > have stretched the 2 springs a little, which may or may not be a good idea, > on my Tiger which has tightened the shifter and reduced the rattle. > > Good luck > > Ron Fraser > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.biz@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.biz@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Owain Lloyd > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 12:30 PM > To: tiger list > Subject: [Tigers] vibrating shifter > > > > i've noticed that the high rpm rattle from my shifter is getting worse. its > particularly irksome now that my front end is in better shape and i can > actually drive fast. at 4000 rpm the rattle approaches a deafening level so > i think its high time i deal with the issue. luckily there is a dead spot > where the resonance seems to calm down at 81-82mph but i can't drive > everywhere at 81mph :) > > given that the vibration is damped if i hold tight or pull up on the shifter > i'm thinking i just need to rebuild the shift linkage. > > any tips on how to do this or a place that sells new parts, kits? i > had a look at toploaderheaven but i'm not sure the best route to take. > > as always any experience or opinions most welcome.... > > - owain. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.biz > > Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > No virus found in this incoming message. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1266 - Release Date: 2/8/2008 > 10:06 AM > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1266 - Release Date: 2/8/2008 > 10:06 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 11:45:29 2008 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com, rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:45:02 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] vibrating shifter I agree with Ron, as I had the same problem with the trunnions. You also may find, when you go to install, that the two bolts that hold the shifter to the linkage have just backed out a bit...which is easy enough to check, before ordering any parts. Sounds too simple, but I've seen it, firsthand. Mike **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 11:52:23 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: MWood24020@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 18:52:12 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] vibrating shifter i believe that was the second issue i ever had with the car! those two bolts worked loose during my drive home from buying the car and the shifter came off. pretty sure my replacements are still in tight as i checked them about 6 months ago in a casual investigation into this issue. i just ordered the trunion/spring set from SS... many thanks. On Feb 8, 2008 6:45 PM, wrote: > > > I agree with Ron, as I had the same problem with the trunnions. You also may > find, when you go to install, that the two bolts that hold the shifter to > the linkage have just backed out a bit...which is easy enough to check, > before ordering any parts. Sounds too simple, but I've seen it, firsthand. > Mike > > > ________________________________ > Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 11:57:55 2008 From: To: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:00:01 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Lower Radiator Hose Listers - I'm in the process of replacing the lower radiator hose on a Mk1A (fan belt rubbed through the old one). I ordered and installed a new one from SS (new style being carried by them), which has a pronounced "J" in the contour to avoid the fan belt. However, that lower hose is being sucked flat by the water pump at higher RPM. Any suggestions to prevent the lower hose from collapsing? Has anyone replaced this part recently (preferably with a wire-reinforced model)? A search on the TU site revealed a NAPA part number 7746 as replacement part, but neither the local NAPA nor the NAPA web site recognized that number. The CAT shop notes recommend Gates 21034 or 20753, which appear to be active P/Ns. Thanks, as always... Graham Harlowe B382001466 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 12:26:58 2008 From: stubrennan@comcast.net To: , Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:25:59 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lower Radiator Hose There should be a loose wire "spring" inside the lower hose to prevent collapse. My most recent hose didn't come with one, so I pulled the spring out of the old one. A better question to ask is, Why is the belt vibrating enough to damage the hose? Or is the collapsed hose moving into the belt's path? My belt vibrated because the generator pulley got warped during remeoval efforts. It wore throught he lower hose 5 hours from home, but just minutes from the Sunbeam convention site that was my destination. The pulley replaced, there was little vibration noted, but I fabricated a shield for the lower hose, just in case. Stu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 12:38:39 2008 From: Bill Lawrence To: Buck Trippel , , Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 19:38:34 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Tune up part list Thank you for the quick response. I've asked at a couple big box houses for the Falcon (will try the Fairlane!) and early Mustang, then had them look on their website/catalog file for Ford 260 V8 etc. Some had listings for the 289 but I was not quite sure if there was a difference in Distributor/rotor. Will call again and ask for the "Fairlane". Once again thanks, Cheers, Bill _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 13:03:07 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Tim Webster Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:02:58 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger rear view mirrors Tim, My later 1965 Mk I (9472289) has a small curved glass mirror with a rigid vinyl back cover, like the dash top. Depending on weather, atmospheric contaminants, and just plain evaporation of the vinyl's plasticizer, it could crack, become ugly, and the cover may be removed, fall off, or the mirror/mount replaced. Curved mirrors became illegal in California (and the rest of the US, I believe) inside the car and on the driver's side mirror. I, personally like the curved mirrors both inside and out, for improved visibility. (CAUTION: Some Objects MAY .....). You can quickly get adjusted to distance distortions in trade for greater angle of view (needed, especially with hard or soft top up.) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Tim Webster wrote: > Listers, > > According to the B of N the switch to oval rear view mirrors was made around > B9473100. Mr Miller shows only two vinyl covered mirrors on page 169 (one > oval, the other rectangular). My early car (9470694) came to me with a > rectangular mirror. The interesting thing is that there is no vinyl covering > on it. It does not appear that there ever was, although it is impossible to > tell for sure. > > I have heard that some Rootes mirrors possibly came without the covering. Is > there anyone who can shed light on the possibility that some early Tigers > might have been equipped this way? Perhaps the naked mirror came from a > different Rootes machine? > > Thanks, > > Tim _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 13:49:25 2008 From: Stephen Waybright To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com, sunbeamjohn@msn.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:49:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger For Sale I stopped by to take a quick look at this car. It appears to be a nice older restoration and seems to be pretty complete and original, including the below dash radio. It does not look like new, but is very presentable and started and idled OK. This shop specializes in Austin Healeys and Jags, and say they took the Tiger in on trade fron a guy in New Foundland, Canada. They mentioned that they replaced some metal in the floors, but I didn't check it that closely. The dash looked great. The interior should clean up nicely. If you like originality and a little patina on a car you can drive and enjoy, this car would fit the bill. I'd have to look a lot closer to find structural issues, but I didn't see any obvious signs of rust problems. A few years ago, I would have pegged this as a $25k car, so with the recent appreciation of Tigers, $49.9k is not crazy high, but without a much more rigorous inspection, I'd cap it @ ~$40k. If it turns out to be an exceptionally solid car, there's headroom from there. Of course I guessed the Lampert car would be not sold for $79k. Stephen Waybright --- AAAGLASSS@aol.com wrote: > _http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=010&sspagename=ST > RK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=200196994739&rd=1_ > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=010&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT&viewitem=&item=200 > 196994739&rd=1) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 14:10:55 2008 From: Bill Waite To: Jerry , owain.lloyd@gmail.com, 'tiger list' Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:10:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] vibrating shifter Owain, I had a similar vibration problem with my Mark I, ended up being a bad pilot bearing. The damage to the bearing likely occurred when the PO installed the rebuilt toploader, as I've heard that if you are a bit out of line initially it can screw up the bearing. Don't know if that is your issue, but thought I'd mention it. The car had stick gears... would vibrate badly at about 70 and then smooth out above 75 or 80. Sure sounds like your symptoms anyway. Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI Jerry wrote: Owain, Try to determine where the vibration is originating, is it in the engine or the drive train. If you rev the eng. up to the vibration point out of gear and don't get the vibration you can assume that it is in the driveline. Drive the car up past the vibration point then take the car out of gear let the eng. go to idle, if you get the vibration then it is probably in the drive train. The first place to look are the u-joints, if they are sound check if there are any driveshaft balance weights that have been thrown off, then the last thing is to balance the driveshaft, but I think you will find something before you get to that point. I doubt very much that there is anything wrong inside the trany. Good luck Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 11:30 AM To: tiger list Subject: [Tigers] vibrating shifter i've noticed that the high rpm rattle from my shifter is getting worse. its particularly irksome now that my front end is in better shape and i can actually drive fast. at 4000 rpm the rattle approaches a deafening level so i think its high time i deal with the issue. luckily there is a dead spot where the resonance seems to calm down at 81-82mph but i can't drive everywhere at 81mph :) given that the vibration is damped if i hold tight or pull up on the shifter i'm thinking i just need to rebuild the shift linkage. any tips on how to do this or a place that sells new parts, kits? i had a look at toploaderheaven but i'm not sure the best route to take. as always any experience or opinions most welcome.... - owain. You are subscribed as jcmc2006@suddenlink.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as fordlandia@sbcglobal.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 14:17:35 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: gharlowe@comcast.net Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 13:17:29 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lower Radiator Hose Quicky Reply, I have seen many lower hoses equipped with a "spring-like" inner insert. Makes many hoses either upper or lower, as needed, and reduces auto parts inventory. You might find a new, or used, spring of the correct OD and length, in the event that you weren't just "shipped short" by a supplier. Call or e-mail SS for assistance here. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com gharlowe@comcast.net wrote: > Listers - > > > > I'm in the process of replacing the lower radiator hose on a Mk1A (fan belt > rubbed through the old one). I ordered and installed a new one from SS (new > style being carried by them), which has a pronounced "J" in the contour to > avoid the fan belt. However, that lower hose is being sucked flat by the > water pump at higher RPM. > > > > Any suggestions to prevent the lower hose from collapsing? Has anyone > replaced this part recently (preferably with a wire-reinforced model)? A > search on the TU site revealed a NAPA part number 7746 as replacement part, > but neither the local NAPA nor the NAPA web site recognized that number. > The CAT shop notes recommend Gates 21034 or 20753, which appear to be active > P/Ns. > > > > Thanks, as always... > > > > Graham Harlowe > > B382001466 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 14:22:12 2008 From: Brent Edinger To: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:22:00 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Vibrating Shifter Owain, I have experienced this before and it turned out that two of the little dampening springs had flown out of the clutch disc and a few of the rivets were sheared off. I found the springs laying in the bottom of the bellhousing. The clutch disc is heavily abused in the Tiger. Brent Edinger B9471023 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 17:30:29 +0000From: "Owain Lloyd" Subject: [Tigers] vibrating shifterTo: "tiger list" Message-ID:<39a841b0802080930l7cde1234qa14e7495ad9887c f@mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i've noticed that the high rpm rattle from my shifter is gettingworse. its particularly irksome now that my front end is in bettershape and i can actually drive fast. at 4000 rpm the rattleapproaches a deafening level so i think its high time i deal with theissue. luckily there is a dead spot where the resonance seems to calmdown at 81-82mph but i can't drive everywhere at 81mph :) given that the vibration is damped if i hold tight or pull up on theshifter i'm thinking i just need to rebuild the shift linkage. any tips on how to do this or a place that sells new parts, kits? ihad a look at toploaderheaven but i'm not sure the best route to take. as always any experience or opinions most welcome.... - owain. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 14:27:17 2008 From: Brent Edinger To: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:27:07 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Lower Radiator Hose Graham, look in the old hose and pull out the spring and put it into the new one. The spring keeps the hose from flattening out. Brent Edinger B9471023 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:00:01 -0500From: Subject: [Tigers] Lower Radiator HoseTo: Message-ID: <002201c86a84$d0749df0$030010ac@gharlowe9h3kpn>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Listers - I'm in the process of replacing the lower radiator hose on a Mk1A (fan beltrubbed through the old one). I ordered and installed a new one from SS (newstyle being carried by them), which has a pronounced "J" in the contour toavoid the fan belt. However, that lower hose is being sucked flat by thewater pump at higher RPM. Any suggestions to prevent the lower hose from collapsing? Has anyonereplaced this part recently (preferably with a wire-reinforced model)? Asearch on the TU site revealed a NAPA part number 7746 as replacement part,but neither the local NAPA nor the NAPA web site recognized that number.The CAT shop notes recommend Gates 21034 or 20753, which appear to be activeP/Ns. Thanks, as always... Graham Harlowe B382001466 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 14:42:21 2008 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: MWood24020@aol.com, owain.lloyd@gmail.com, rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:41:56 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] vibrating shifter I've also had the shift handle installed backwards and the thing won't shift at all. Happened when the guy doing my interior put it in backwards. Went to drive away and couldn't get anywhere. Fred Baum 9470768, shifts great now **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 14:54:29 2008 From: "Curt" To: "Tiger List" Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:54:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lower Radiator Hose Funny, I ran into that same problem on my old Tiger. The car would overheat at high speed and I couldn't figure out why. Finally watching the car with the hood up and high rpms I saw the hose suck right down to flat. Given I was at the Dearborn United at the time I put a whole pile of hose clamps on the hose to keep it from collapsing. That worked although not very sightly. I added a spring from an old hose as has been suggested. I guess some of the "bottom" hoses we get were originally "top" hoses for other applications and the spring was not a concern. Curt Hoffman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Edinger" To: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: [Tigers] Lower Radiator Hose > Graham, look in the old hose and pull out the spring and put it into the > new > one. The spring keeps the hose from flattening out. > > Brent Edinger B9471023 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 15:00:26 2008 From: Carmods@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 17:00:14 EST Subject: [Tigers] Lower Radiator Hose Spring For some reason, some hose suppliers have quit supplying the springs in lower hoses, probably some low cost un-American supplier. I found that a "Rainbird" impulse lawn sprinkler has a stainless spring that works great to keep the lower hose from collapsing as the RPM goes up. Since I replace these sprinklers in my lawn regularly, they don't cost me anything but you can buy a sprinkler head for about $16.00 and it's worth it just to find a spring. I have given several away to those who wonder why their car suddenly starts to overheat as they speed up, and solved their problem. John Logan **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 15:50:58 2008 From: Bill Waite To: Bill Waite , Jerry Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:50:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] vibrating shifter I met to say "the car had stock gears" (2.88). Bill Waite wrote: Owain, I had a similar vibration problem with my Mark I, ended up being a bad pilot bearing. The damage to the bearing likely occurred when the PO installed the rebuilt toploader, as I've heard that if you are a bit out of line initially it can screw up the bearing. Don't know if that is your issue, but thought I'd mention it. The car had stick gears... would vibrate badly at about 70 and then smooth out above 75 or 80. Sure sounds like your symptoms anyway. Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI Jerry wrote: Owain, Try to determine where the vibration is originating, is it in the engine or the drive train. If you rev the eng. up to the vibration point out of gear and don't get the vibration you can assume that it is in the driveline. Drive the car up past the vibration point then take the car out of gear let the eng. go to idle, if you get the vibration then it is probably in the drive train. The first place to look are the u-joints, if they are sound check if there are any driveshaft balance weights that have been thrown off, then the last thing is to balance the driveshaft, but I think you will find something before you get to that point. I doubt very much that there is anything wrong inside the trany. Good luck Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 11:30 AM To: tiger list Subject: [Tigers] vibrating shifter i've noticed that the high rpm rattle from my shifter is getting worse. its particularly irksome now that my front end is in better shape and i can actually drive fast. at 4000 rpm the rattle approaches a deafening level so i think its high time i deal with the issue. luckily there is a dead spot where the resonance seems to calm down at 81-82mph but i can't drive everywhere at 81mph :) given that the vibration is damped if i hold tight or pull up on the shifter i'm thinking i just need to rebuild the shift linkage. any tips on how to do this or a place that sells new parts, kits? i had a look at toploaderheaven but i'm not sure the best route to take. as always any experience or opinions most welcome.... - owain. You are subscribed as jcmc2006@suddenlink.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as fordlandia@sbcglobal.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as fordlandia@sbcglobal.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 16:04:40 2008 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: gharlowe@comcast.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 18:05:11 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lower Radiator Hose In a message dated 2/8/2008 12:58:10 P.M. Central Standard Time, gharlowe@comcast.net writes: Listers - I'm in the process of replacing the lower radiator hose on a Mk1A (fan belt rubbed through the old one). I ordered and installed a new one from SS (new style being carried by them), which has a pronounced "J" in the contour to avoid the fan belt. However, that lower hose is being sucked flat by the water pump at higher RPM. Any suggestions to prevent the lower hose from collapsing? Has anyone replaced this part recently (preferably with a wire-reinforced model)? A search on the TU site revealed a NAPA part number 7746 as replacement part, but neither the local NAPA nor the NAPA web site recognized that number. The CAT shop notes recommend Gates 21034 or 20753, which appear to be active P/Ns. Thanks, as always... Graham Harlowe B382001466 You are subscribed as djoh797014@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 18:30:34 2008 From: To: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 20:32:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lower Radiator Hose All - Thanks for all of your responses. My previous lower hose (slightly different shape, also from SS) never had a spring to scavenge - or cannibalize, as they say in the military. I went to the local McAutoparts store and convinced the kid behind the counter to look through their inventory for any radiator hose with a spring. No luck. I went to a non-chain auto parts store in town where the proprietor found two Gates hoses with springs out of about a hundred on hand. He yanked the spring out of one (slightly larger diameter than the Tigers) and handed it to me - no charge. I stretched the spring a bit to reduce the diameter, twisted it into the lower hose as far as it would go and snipped the excess spring wire. No collapsing now. Looks like radiator hose springs are becoming an endangered species...thanks again for your help! Cheers, Graham Harlowe B38201466 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 19:18:39 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com, 'tiger list' Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 18:18:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] vibrating shifter Owain- everyone has has excellent suggestions. In the days of 3 speed(non Tiger) a bad piolet shaft bearing would cause the tranny to jump out of gear.Hopefulyy the last person to install aclutch also changed the piolet shaft bearing. I think witha Tiger if you pull the engine to replace the clutch/ TO bearing etc that you should replace eveything and closley inspect the ring gear at the same time(they can be turned ove Im told)and replae it to. The balance of the drive shaft will create the same problem as will the U-joints, wich is my first guess but I had a similar problem years ago, just didnt viberate as bad as you describe and it tokk me a while to finally find that the rubber on the tranny mount had seperated from the steel. While under the car it wasnt visable. With some help from what was at that time "an older mechanic", he put the car on jack stands so he could inspect underneath while I went thru the gears-- he could see the movement of the tranny mount and a new one fixed my problem. You might use a pry bar while nspectiing the drive train etc.One last thing to check is the nut on the main shaft of the rear end- it was an automati but the car vibertaed bad when you let off the gas- again a non Tiger problem but Im sure any thing hat fixes your problem is worth inspecting. Good luck, TTT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 8 23:54:41 2008 From: "Mike Michels" To: , "tiger list" Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 22:54:01 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] vibrating shifter I think Owain was describing an annoyance that my car has and to clarify: this is a buzz in the shift linkage that is definitely engine RPM related. Running up through the gears revving the engine in neutral or cruising at high RPM (all cruising is high RPM with a four speed!) the shifter makes a sizzling buzz. Resting the hand on the shifter makes it go away. The responses so far seem to gravitate to a drivetrain imbalance issue. However, my experience is that driveshaft/u-joint/trunion problems would be vehicle speed, not engine speed sensitive. Problems with the clutch/flywheel/pilot bearing being out of balance would certainly be more likely related, but in my case, I have a brand new clutch and I'm pretty confident it's in good shape. I would think this would be more a matter of the shift linkage joints/clevis pins being worn and loose, or perhaps the internal linkage of the "T" handle reverse lockout rattling inside the tubular shift lever, or something along those lines. Thoughts? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "tiger list" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: [Tigers] vibrating shifter > i've noticed that the high rpm rattle from my shifter is getting > worse. its particularly irksome now that my front end is in better > shape and i can actually drive fast. at 4000 rpm the rattle > approaches a deafening level so i think its high time i deal with the > issue. luckily there is a dead spot where the resonance seems to calm > down at 81-82mph but i can't drive everywhere at 81mph :) > > given that the vibration is damped if i hold tight or pull up on the > shifter i'm thinking i just need to rebuild the shift linkage. > > any tips on how to do this or a place that sells new parts, kits? i > had a look at toploaderheaven but i'm not sure the best route to take. > > as always any experience or opinions most welcome.... > > - owain. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mmichels@socal.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Feb 9 09:17:18 2008 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: "Mike Michels" , , Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:16:15 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] vibrating shifter Yes, it is common. It is just the T reverse lockout being a little "loose". All cars vibrate. He wasn't complaining about a big problem, just a little buzz/rattle, IMHO.. Over the years I have seen many complaints/fixes including someone that filled the hollow center of the shifter with grease! My car had it. I got a new shifter handle for a guy back east(forget who..) that fixed it. A stronger spring in there is probably what would fix it.. Gary -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Mike Michels" > I think Owain was describing an annoyance that my car has and to clarify: > this is a buzz in the shift linkage that is definitely engine RPM related. > Running up through the gears revving the engine in neutral or cruising at > high RPM (all cruising is high RPM with a four speed!) the shifter makes a > sizzling buzz. Resting the hand on the shifter makes it go away. > > The responses so far seem to gravitate to a drivetrain imbalance issue. > However, my experience is that driveshaft/u-joint/trunion problems would be > vehicle speed, not engine speed sensitive. Problems with the > clutch/flywheel/pilot bearing being out of balance would certainly be more > likely related, but in my case, I have a brand new clutch and I'm pretty > confident it's in good shape. > > I would think this would be more a matter of the shift linkage joints/clevis > pins being worn and loose, or perhaps the internal linkage of the "T" handle > reverse lockout rattling inside the tubular shift lever, or something along > those lines. > > Thoughts? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Feb 9 16:46:12 2008 From: Drmoonstone@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 18:45:53 EST Subject: [Tigers] "Works Tiger" Anyone still looking for the G. Rood book can order from Amazon at a comparable cost. 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(http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002548) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Feb 10 10:15:04 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "tiger list" Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:14:53 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] door lock linkage rod hello, i'm missing one of the little linkage rods that joins the tab on the back of the door lock tumbler to the locking lever just below it. its a short bent rod with a flat end that has a groove in it. i wonder if anyone can help me out by either pointing me to a supplier of this piece of selling me a spare one. many thanks, - owain. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Feb 10 16:24:54 2008 From: Tim Webster To: Steve Laifman Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:22:03 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger rear view mirrors Hi Steve, Thanks for the input. The few reponses I have had to this question lead me to believe that all Tigers mirrors had the vinyl covering. The puzzling part for me is that one of the mirrors I have (came with the car) has no covering nor any evidence of there ever having been any. The fastener heads on the backside are flush to the body with no gap or evidence of vinyl. I'm not too sure what the legality of these mirrors is here in BC. It would sure take an eagle-eyed cop with a good knowledge of the rules to notice such a detail and give you the gears over it. Regards, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" To: "Tim Webster" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger rear view mirrors > Tim, > > My later 1965 Mk I (9472289) has a small curved glass mirror with a rigid > vinyl back cover, like the dash top. Depending on weather, atmospheric > contaminants, and just plain evaporation of the vinyl's plasticizer, it > could crack, become ugly, and the cover may be removed, fall off, or the > mirror/mount replaced. Curved mirrors became illegal in California (and > the rest of the US, I believe) inside the car and on the driver's side > mirror. > > I, personally like the curved mirrors both inside and out, for improved > visibility. (CAUTION: Some Objects MAY .....). You can quickly get > adjusted to distance distortions in trade for greater angle of view > (needed, especially with hard or soft top up.) > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > Tim Webster wrote: >> Listers, >> >> According to the B of N the switch to oval rear view mirrors was made >> around >> B9473100. Mr Miller shows only two vinyl covered mirrors on page 169 (one >> oval, the other rectangular). My early car (9470694) came to me with a >> rectangular mirror. The interesting thing is that there is no vinyl >> covering >> on it. It does not appear that there ever was, although it is impossible >> to >> tell for sure. >> >> I have heard that some Rootes mirrors possibly came without the covering. >> Is >> there anyone who can shed light on the possibility that some early Tigers >> might have been equipped this way? Perhaps the naked mirror came from a >> different Rootes machine? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Tim _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Feb 10 18:30:33 2008 From: "steve wick" To: "Steve Laifman" , "Tim Webster" Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:30:26 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger rear view mirrors Tiger #9470780 has a rectangular, vinyl covered inside mirror. Steve (in N.Id.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Webster To: Steve Laifman Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger rear view mirrors Hi Steve, Thanks for the input. The few reponses I have had to this question lead me to believe that all Tigers mirrors had the vinyl covering. The puzzling part for me is that one of the mirrors I have (came with the car) has no covering nor any evidence of there ever having been any. The fastener heads on the backside are flush to the body with no gap or evidence of vinyl. I'm not too sure what the legality of these mirrors is here in BC. It would sure take an eagle-eyed cop with a good knowledge of the rules to notice such a detail and give you the gears over it. Regards, Tim _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 01:43:15 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: Tim Webster , Steve Laifman Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:43:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger rear view mirrors Tim- I just saw a mirror on epay that sounds like the one you are describing. The back is metal and from a Seris 2 Alpine. In the pic you can see the rivet heads and lack of vynal- my guess, you too have a S2 mirror- it might be worth more $$$ now, depending on condition and someone wanting/needing a S2 curved rectangle mirror. TTT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 08:45:47 2008 From: Tim Webster To: Tony Somebody , Steve Laifman Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:44:30 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger rear view mirrors TTT, That certainly answers my question and I appreciate your input. I am not too familiar with early Alpines and didn't realise they had mirrors with no covering. Perhaps I will have a go at selling it in order to raise a down payment on a rebuilt covered one for my Tiger. Regards, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Somebody" To: "Tim Webster" ; "Steve Laifman" Cc: Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger rear view mirrors > > Tim- I just saw a mirror on epay that sounds like the > one you are describing. The back is metal and from a > Seris 2 Alpine. In the pic you can see the rivet heads > and lack of vynal- my guess, you too have a S2 mirror- > it might be worth more $$$ now, depending on condition > and someone wanting/needing a S2 curved rectangle > mirror. TTT > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 11:41:08 2008 From: Peter Laurinaitis To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:40:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] tiger service work in northeast? does anyone know of any good shops that work on tigers or old british cars located in the north east (i am in nyc). i called scott weorth in PA, he used to work on tigers, but has retired a year ago after 30 years. i am not looking for restoration work, but basic mechanical work including addressing the fulcrum pins, clutch, general maintainance, etc. doug jennings in ohio is a bit far for me for general maintenance stuff. thks peter Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02@wharton.upenn.edu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 14:11:46 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "tiger list" Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:11:37 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] door lock linkage rod thanks to a generous fellow lister, i'm no longer looking for this part. - owain. On Feb 10, 2008 5:14 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > hello, > > i'm missing one of the little linkage rods that joins the tab on the > back of the door lock tumbler to the locking lever just below it. > its a short bent rod with a flat end that has a groove in it. > > i wonder if anyone can help me out by either pointing me to a supplier > of this piece of selling me a spare one. > > many thanks, > > - owain. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 16:07:03 2008 From: John Heffron To: , Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:06:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger service in NE Peter I tried to get Scott Woerth out of retirement too ( to no avail ). Pete Cosmides of Motor Car Garage in Maple Shade, NJ (outside of Philly) has been working on my newly acquired MK1A www.motorcar-garage.com. Thus far he's worked on the fulcrum pins, installed new koni's all around, replaced the front springs and repaired the rear leaf spring attachment point for me amongst other minor repairs. He's honest, reliable, reasonable and a helluva British Car Mechanic and restoration guy. There was a recent article about him in the January Issue of Hemmings Sports & Exotic Car magazine on the restoration of his national award winning Bugeye. I also use him for my 2 Healeys. Regards John Heffron 66 MK1A Tiger 67 Healey 3000 60 AH Bugeye Sprite Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:40:58 -0800 (PST)From: Peter Laurinaitis Subject: [Tigers] tiger service work in northeast?To: tigers@autox.team.netMessage-ID: <358880.2456.qm@web53612.mail.re2.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 does anyone know of any good shops that work on tigers or old british carslocated in the north east (i am in nyc). i called scott weorth in PA, he usedto work on tigers, but has retired a year ago after 30 years. i am not lookingfor restoration work, but basic mechanical work including addressing thefulcrum pins, clutch, general maintainance, etc. doug jennings in ohio is abit far for me for general maintenance stuff. thkspeter Peter Laurinaitispeter.laurinaitis.wg02@wharton.upenn.edu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 16:18:38 2008 From: "Robert Jaarsma" To: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:18:26 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] tiger service work in northeast? Sports & Vintage in Plainfield NH (Craig Wehde) does a great job on older cars. He is the only one I ever let near my Sunbeams. He is originally from Westchester county. But moved here in the country some 15 years ago. It is a one man operation, but he has many cars he is always working. A few more modern, but I have seen 300Sl, E-types, XK120S, MGBs, TR6s, Fiat, Alfas, Rolls, a few rarer ones as Borgward, DKW, Autobianchi, BMW Isetta, and a lot of Mercedes and Jags, in his shop. Robert _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 18:51:04 2008 From: "James E. Pickard" To: "Tiger List" Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:49:47 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Rear hub removal After spending 1-1/2 years restoring the Sprite (which has now been sold), I'm back to working on the Tiger. I need to install longer bolts for the lug nuts so I can use the spacers with the Panasport wheels. But I need to remove the rear hubs to do this. I don't have tools RG.188-B and RG.188-d-3 described in the shop manual (nor do I expect to find them). What is the best way to remove the rear hubs? Since the manual doesn't state otherwise, I assume all threads are right-handed. Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 19:14:26 2008 From: Bill Waite To: "James E. Pickard" , Tiger List Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:14:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear hub removal James, Read the info at this link: http://www.classictiger.com/techtips/rear_hubs.html Then, at this link: http://www.classictiger.com/techtips/althubpullr.html Then, look for a local "Talk Forum" dedicated to 4X4's (Jeeps, etc) and join it. They will most likely have a tech forum dedicated to "rear ends." Ask the group where to get a Dana 44 serviced. You'll find someone who can help you out in the event you have problems doing this yourself. I've found that the "Jeep Guys" are very helpful and get a kick out of learning that Tigers used Dana 44's too! Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI Mark I & Mark II Since 1979 "James E. Pickard" wrote: After spending 1-1/2 years restoring the Sprite (which has now been sold), I'm back to working on the Tiger. I need to install longer bolts for the lug nuts so I can use the spacers with the Panasport wheels. But I need to remove the rear hubs to do this. I don't have tools RG.188-B and RG.188-d-3 described in the shop manual (nor do I expect to find them). What is the best way to remove the rear hubs? Since the manual doesn't state otherwise, I assume all threads are right-handed. Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA You are subscribed as fordlandia@sbcglobal.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 19:14:32 2008 From: fsimer@gac.edu To: "James E. Pickard" Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:14:13 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Rear hub pulls - After destroying one with a puller, torch and foul temper. I used a press In the end I pulled the drums then the backing plate, the castle nut, etc.. then pulled the whole half shaft from the differential and used a press to drive the shaft from the hub.. and it took alot of force...try hard not to mushroom the shaft ends.. I am sure others have opinions, and many will find reasons not to do it this way- or those who actually could use a hub puller with out snapping studs will share their good fortune. ...But, this process worked for me. Do be ready if the ram launches the half-shaft like a scud or more accurately a frog missile in your shop! There are many technigues listed on the club sites- do check the run-out when you reassemble, ... lots of luck Frank Minneapolis MN _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 19:27:10 2008 From: fsimer@gac.edu To: Tiger List Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:26:54 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Throttle Body Under AC Filter Cover FYI I will be adding a closed loop TB FI system (Holley pro-jection with and added sensor and controller) on my Tiger probably in April/May, if anyone has done it...let me know how it went.. The Throttle body will fit under the AC Air filter cover after I make a new bottom can...I will get to it when I finish swearing at... oops rebuilding my Lotus 907E for my JH I will mount the pump behind the rear fire wall built into my car... and probably make the move to a center fuel call as well..and then maybe drive it before winter comes back again! Frank Simer Minneapolis _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 20:04:34 2008 From: "James E. Pickard" To: "Tiger List" Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:03:18 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Replacing the lug bolts Is it even necessary to remove the rear hubs to replace the lug bolts? If I unbolt the plate that houses the brakes, will I have enough room to replace the lug bolts? Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 20:46:51 2008 From: Theo Smit To: fsimer@gac.edu Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:56:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Throttle Body Under AC Filter Cover FYI Frank, I started down this route with a used old-school analog Pro-Jection (the two-barrel style). I built a 1/2" tall adapter plate to go from the spreadbore pattern to the square bore pattern, and a couple of adapters to go from the fuel fittings used on the throttle body to -6AN. I got the correct fuel pump to go with this as well as an oxygen sensor and the closed-loop kit. This is all back in '02 or so... then I got busy with a lot of other stuff and the Pro-Jection sat. When I had the transmission and engine out of the Tiger I ran new fuel line and a return line in the tunnel, but that's about all I did so far as fuel injection related stuff is concerned. Then when the Retrotek BossEFI was announced last summer (and I was still slowly working towards getting the Tiger back together) I decided that I'd rather go that route. I currently have the throttle body sitting on the F4B manifold, I'm using the fuel line I'd routed earlier as the return line, the fuel line is going to be re-done, and I'm busy mounting filters and the fuel pump in the spare tire well. So I'm going to be left with a used, but never used by me, analog two-barrel Pro-Jection, along with its controller and closed-loop controller, water temp sensor, and wiring harness; and brand-new fuel pump and O2 sensor to suit this system, as well as a handmade low-rise adapter (basically a new bottom plate) for the throttle body. If you want/need any part of this let me know. Cheers, Theo fsimer@gac.edu wrote: > I will be adding a closed loop TB FI system (Holley pro-jection with > and added sensor and controller) on my Tiger probably in April/May, if > anyone has done it...let me know how it went. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 20:58:12 2008 From: Theo Smit To: "James E. Pickard" Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:06:35 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear hub removal James, I built an ugly but workable version of Dan Walters' hub puller and it worked great. The rear hubs are not that beefy in the wheel flange, so anything that doesn't pull equally on all four studs (or that doesn't bottom on the hub flange so that you're only pulling on the studs) is likely to distort the hubs. I used 1/2-20 x 3" long Moroso wheel studs (and had to cut them down so I could use closed-end lug nuts). Even if you can remove the short lugs without removing the hubs, you're definitely not getting the longer ones in there without the hubs sitting on your workbench. You can't remove the brake backing plates without getting the hubs out of the way first - the best you can do is to drill a 1" or so diameter hole in the backing plate, as close to the hub flange as you can, and then maybe you can angle the studs in/out through there. If you were thinking that you could hammer the studs out by banging them inwards, think of the load you're putting on the bearings and the center of the diff (which transfers that banging load to the hub bearing on the other axle), as well as the impact load you're putting on the hub. Cheers, Theo James E. Pickard wrote: > After spending 1-1/2 years restoring the Sprite (which has now been sold), I'm > back to working on the Tiger. I need to install longer bolts for the lug nuts > so I can use the spacers with the Panasport wheels. But I need to remove the > rear hubs to do this. I don't have tools RG.188-B and RG.188-d-3 described in > the shop manual (nor do I expect to find them). What is the best way to > remove the rear hubs? Since the manual doesn't state otherwise, I assume all > threads are right-handed. Thanks. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 22:25:50 2008 From: David Sosna To: Jerry Van Vlack Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:25:58 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Throttle Body Under AC Filter Cover FYI Frank: Like to see pictures when you get it up and running. Good luck and Best Regards David Sosna fsimer@gac.edu wrote: > I will be adding a closed loop TB FI system (Holley pro-jection with > and added sensor and controller) on my Tiger probably in April/May, if > anyone has done it...let me know how it went.. > The Throttle body will fit under the AC Air filter cover after I make > a new bottom can...I will get to it when I finish swearing at... oops > rebuilding my Lotus 907E for my JH > > I will mount the pump behind the rear fire wall built into my car... > and probably make the move to a center fuel call as well..and then > maybe drive it before winter comes back again! > > Frank Simer > Minneapolis _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 11 22:45:58 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: "James E. Pickard" , Tiger List Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:45:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear hub removal-lug bolt problems Jim- Im interested in what you find in the lug bolt replacement. Finding the thread is easy but the diameter of the lug bolts I found are much larger at the knurlings that hold the bolts in the axle. Im considering drilling the axle holes to match the new bolts BUT I really rather leave them stock. If my machinist turns them down to stock size(the knurlings) then there are no knurlings remaining. I suppose I can always adjust the length to match the wheels Im running. If I ever sold the car I would want to keep the 15"minilites- w/ the present value of the $ vs. the pound, the wheels have gone way up in value. I rather the dollar was stronger BUT thats another story- I bent a minilite and used a nice set of 14"wheels but had to have spacers on the rears- the lug bolts where long enough to get by BUT only if I carried a torque wrench and retorqued them after every fill up. The car wasnt driven during the winter and come spring I forgot to check the lug nuts and lost a wheel- lucky I was almost at a stop so I didnt damage anything- it could have been bad if I had been on the interstate.The wheel can be straightened but I still want to fix the lug bolts so I can run any wheel I choose. I searched hard to find the right lug bolt but had to settle for longer ones that Im having cut off and I still have the diameter problem- I can send you a stock lug bolt if you want to try to locate lug bolts prior to thinking about installing the new ones- Im forseeing you having the same problem as I did unless you can find a place that will make custom lug bolts and if you do, I want the information too, PLEASE. Thanks and sorry about the long post. ANYONE with knowledge that will help Jim or myself, PLEASE post your thoughts. regards, TonytheTiger ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 03:15:23 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "James E. Pickard" , "Tiger List" Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:14:47 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing the lug bolts The other option is that you keep them and bolt on some wheel spacers that have there own studs. I paid about 80 bucks for my 1" spacers. I can send you the link if you're interested On 2/12/08, James E. Pickard wrote: > Is it even necessary to remove the rear hubs to replace the lug bolts? If I > unbolt the plate that houses the brakes, will I have enough room to replace > the lug bolts? > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) > 2003 Mini Cooper > Lafayette, LA > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 12:39:06 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Theo Smit Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:38:56 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear hub removal Tigers and Theo, See the TigersUnited.com article on this puller by Dan Walters at: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/WaltersPuller/rt-WaltersHubPuller1.asp Dan was over to my garage when we took the pictures of the puller. Really NEAT. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Theo Smit wrote: > James, > I built an ugly but workable version of Dan Walters' hub puller and it > worked great. The rear hubs are not that beefy in the wheel flange, so > anything that doesn't pull equally on all four studs (or that doesn't > bottom on the hub flange so that you're only pulling on the studs) is > likely to distort the hubs. <---- snip ----> _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 13:17:06 2008 From: "Bob Dixon" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:16:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Tigers] Bellhousing ID Hello again, I found a crack in my aluminum bellhousing so I'm trying to find a replacement. It goes from a narrow bolt pattern toploader to 6 bolt 289. I can't seem to find a part number on it through all the grunge. I believe a C5DA-6394-A is for a wide pattern toploader. Was the narrow toploader to 6 bolt small block some sort of Tiger special? Thanks, Bob _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 17:43:44 2008 From: drmayf To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:43:37 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Hub Puller.. I just finished looking at Dan Walter's hub puller. Many many years ago, I made one similar but considerably fewer pieces. I used the materials I had on hand. The major item was a 1 inch think piece of aluminum plate about 5 inches on a side, cut square. I marked teh bolt pattern and drilled it with the through holes. I used a lightly oversize drill bit for these holes. Next I found a piece of 1 inch diameter round bar stock, maybe a ft long. I cut that into 4 equal lengths. I drilled and tapped the pieces to match the lugs threads. That was completely threaded all the way through. I bought 4 grade 8 bolts and some G8 flat washers. To use it, you first back off the axle nut a turn or 2 say an 1/8 inch. Keep the nut on! Screw the bar stock pieces fully down onto the lugs until they contact the hub flange. I think I remember I needed to grind a wee bit of chamfer onto the bar stack pieces so they would sit flat. Then I hold the big aluminum piece up and start the 4 G8 bolts into the holes and then into the bar stock pieces. I put some scrap material as shim stock under the aluminum plate and between the hub nut. Then I just start evenly torquing the bolts down. I have never had a hub fail to release at more that 40 ft-lbs of torque. I'll wander up into the shop storage area in the next few days and snap a pix. I'll send it to anybody who migh twant it for reference. Fortunately it is not a tool that is required very often. Dan's puller is far more sophisticated than the piece I built and a heck of a lot more professional, but the job gets done nicely anyway. mayf _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Feb 12 22:29:53 2008 From: "michael king" To: Tigerlist Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:29:46 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on u-tube This video is fun to watch anyway... but if you wait to get till 1min20sec there is a tiger. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTx9mJF48Oo -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Feb 13 13:24:42 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Bob Dixon Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:24:30 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bellhousing ID Bob, The only 289 cid engine that came with the Tiger was on MkII's, and they were 6 bolt tranny pattern. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Bob Dixon wrote: > Hello again, > > I found a crack in my aluminum bellhousing so I'm trying to find a > replacement. It goes from a narrow bolt pattern toploader to 6 bolt 289. > I can't seem to find a part number on it through all the grunge. I > believe a C5DA-6394-A is for a wide pattern toploader. > > Was the narrow toploader to 6 bolt small block some sort of Tiger special? > > Thanks, > Bob _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Feb 13 14:06:42 2008 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:06:35 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Bellhousing "found a crack in my aluminum bellhousing so I'm trying to find a replacement. It goes from a narrow bolt pattern toploader to 6 bolt 289. I can't seem to find a part number on it through all the grunge. I believe a C5DA-6394-A is for a wide pattern toploader. Was the narrow toploader to 6 bolt small block some sort of Tiger special?" Nothing Tiger specific with that bellhousing. Ford made them for a short time to use up their stock of narrow bolt pattern top loaders. I bought a Ford aluminum bell housing with both bolt patterns off of Ebay around a year ago. Some sellers think they found the holy grail of bell housings and expect many dollars for them. With some looking you can find them for a reasonable price. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Feb 13 14:58:04 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: bobdixon@frii.com Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:57:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bellhousing Bob- my previous email didnt post to the list so Im resending in case you didnt receive it as well. There is no reason a competent welder cant tig the crack up- unless it is in a very vital place- like where the clutch arm is- I really can think of no place a weld shouldnt work- should be as strong or stronger than orginal metal if a good welder does the work. Be sure to drill a 1/4 inch hole or so at each end of the crack. That will stop it from cracking past the new weld. I would almost bet the crack has been there for a long time- maybe since you bought the car. Make sure it is very clean and oil free and wire brushed with a drill etc- the welder might even prefer to grind the crack larger in order to get a better weld. Too, it is just a Ford belhousig- everything FORD on the Tiger is just that and nothing special- except maybe the pulleys and Im not positive they are Ford. If any List members disagree with my thoughts, please speak up. By the way, just exactly where is the crack? regards, TonytheTiger PS- brake kleen does and excellet job of removing oil deposits. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Feb 13 15:32:51 2008 From: drmayf To: Jeffrey Nichols Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:32:45 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bellhousing I was just surfin' and located a lakewood with dual tranny pattern for 6 bolt block. 4 daya to run on th auction. Here is the item number. Use advanced search and enter...170192372105 Has no block plate but that shold be available from lakewood.. mayf Jeffrey Nichols wrote: > "found a crack in my aluminum bellhousing so I'm trying to find a >replacement. It goes from a narrow bolt pattern toploader to 6 bolt 289. >I can't seem to find a part number on it through all the grunge. I >believe a C5DA-6394-A is for a wide pattern toploader. > >Was the narrow toploader to 6 bolt small block some sort of Tiger special?" > > > >Nothing Tiger specific with that bellhousing. Ford made them for a short time >to use up their stock of narrow bolt pattern top loaders. I bought a Ford >aluminum bell housing with both bolt patterns off of Ebay around a year ago. >Some sellers think they found the holy grail of bell housings and expect many >dollars for them. With some looking you can find them for a reasonable >price. > > > > > Jeff >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as drmayf@mayfco.com > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Feb 13 15:34:47 2008 From: drmayf To: Tigers Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:34:42 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Hub Puiller Pix... For those who have requested a pix, I gotta tell ya that I am slightly embarassed, lol... I have climbed all over my storage pile up in the rafters and it was not easily visible. So it has to be in a box...I have not used it since around 1998 or so and have moved once since then. Hang with me, I will find it! mayf _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Feb 13 15:37:24 2008 From: drmayf To: Tigers Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:37:16 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Bell Housing ... Been watching the message traffic regarding the bell housing. Just what the heck is the correct Ford part number for a 6 bolt block to a early ford toploader? I noticed some that look close on ebay but I just plain skeptical... Anyone have a pix of the correct 6 bolt to toploader bellhousing, outside and inside views? SHoot me a pix or two? mayf _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Feb 13 19:17:28 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:17:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] lug nut replacement Lots of lug nut/hub talk recently. I just removed the hub and it came of very easily, a couple taps w/ a brass hammer and it slid right off BUT there is no way to replace the two broken lug bolts. They appear to be the same size as the ones I borrowed from an Alpine front suspension.My next move is obvious, I have to remove the axel or at least pull it out enough to get the longest broken bolt out and two replacements in. After 36 years of Tigering, Ive never had to pull an axle. It is obvious there are 4 nuts attached to the aaxle housing, so my questions is. "Will the axle pull right out after removing everything behind the hub OR do I have to open the rearend and remove a keeper of some sort, so I can then pull the axle"? Im going to search for my shop book now but Im hoping for a quickee from the List. Also for Theo, I think, drilling a hole in the backing plate wont work becuse of the plate and nuts on the hub side of the backing plate. It appears you would be drilling into major parts in order to get cose enough to angle the new studs in BUT I wish that would work. Thanks ahead of time for any and all responses. Owain, I now see the problems you are having. Thanks again, TonytheTiger ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Feb 13 19:26:26 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: Tony Somebody , Beamclub Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:26:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] lug replacement SORRY- the subject should be Rear Lug BOLT replacement on my first request for help. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Feb 13 21:23:03 2008 From: Theo Smit To: Tony Somebody Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:26:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] lug nut replacement Tony, I think that the part that came off with just a few taps of the hammer is the rear drum... to remove the axle hub you have to undo the 1 1/4" nut that is on the end of the axle (torque spec is 125 footpounds or something like that - get a big breaker bar) and then pull the hub off the tapered end of the axle. You can remove the axle with the hub attached but you need to undo the four backing plate bolts, pry the axle retainer/seal plate loose (it will probably be held on with sealer of some sort) and then use a slide hammer attached to the axle nut or several of the lug studs. If there is a spacer shim behind the seal plate, then make sure you keep that as it's used to get the axle bearing preload right. Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Feb 13 21:33:31 2008 From: "James E. Pickard" To: "Tiger List" Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:32:05 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] SS wheel spacers OK, installing longer lug bolts is going to be far more difficult than I imagined. First of all, I have to remove the rear hubs, which requires a special tool I'll have to fabricate. But even worse, apparently longer lug bolts are not available that are the same diameter, requiring the hub holes to be drilled out to a larger size. There is a spacer available with built-in bolts, but this one is 1" thick and won't fit under my stock non-flared fenders. So, my question is: are the stock lug bolts long enough to safely use when installing Rick's 1/4" spacers? I have 14" Panasport wheels and I only get a few turns on each lug nut before I get some resistance. I can get a couple more turns when I tighten them up. Is that enough? Is anybody else using this set-up? Or is this more dangerous than not using the spacers at all? Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Feb 13 21:37:22 2008 From: "michael king" To: "James E. Pickard" Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:37:12 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] SS wheel spacers I have a set of the spacers for my SII alpine, as it turns out i dodnt have the drums with the counterweights on them (figures i check that after!) Anyway, i decided not to sue them as i could only get about 4 hard turns on the nuts.. i am told you want about 8... also even with 14x6 and 175 series tyres if you havent rolled the lip on the inside i think you might be getting the tyre close to the sidewall in cornering... just my .02... oh... they did look much nicer on the test fit though.. but not much use if it aint safe. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Feb 13 22:28:24 2008 From: Fabbro To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:23:37 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Pistons for 260 Engine Hi All. I am currently looking for 260 over sized piston. This engine is on the stock bore now and looks ok. I feel it would clean up at .020" over. Does any one have a source to get some pistons and rings? Thanks Kim _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 06:37:37 2008 From: "James E. Pickard" To: "Tiger List" Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:36:06 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] The need for wheels spacers My questions about longer lug bolts stems from the following comment in the Sunbeam Specialties catalog: Does your car have the brake drums pictured on the right? (Alpine I-II type drums) Then you must install wheel spacers between the drum and any after-market rear wheel.... Failure to do so will result in the loosening & loss of the rear wheels while driving. I now realize that this apparently only applies to Series I & II Alpines (I don't believe the old catalog had this parenthetical comment). Are they needed on a Mk Ia Tiger? I'm running 14" Panasports I got from Dale's Restorations. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 07:12:52 2008 From: Bill Waite To: "James E. Pickard" Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:12:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] SS wheel spacers I also have 14" Panasports on my Mark II, tried using Rick's spacer and had the same problem: not enough thread. I just removed the spacer: all is fine now. Not really sure why I felt I even needed the spacer: everything works just fine without it. Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI "James E. Pickard" wrote: OK, installing longer lug bolts is going to be far more difficult than I imagined. First of all, I have to remove the rear hubs, which requires a special tool I'll have to fabricate. But even worse, apparently longer lug bolts are not available that are the same diameter, requiring the hub holes to be drilled out to a larger size. There is a spacer available with built-in bolts, but this one is 1" thick and won't fit under my stock non-flared fenders. So, my question is: are the stock lug bolts long enough to safely use when installing Rick's 1/4" spacers? I have 14" Panasport wheels and I only get a few turns on each lug nut before I get some resistance. I can get a couple more turns when I tighten them up. Is that enough? Is anybody else using this set-up? Or is this more dangerous than not using the spacers at all? Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA You are subscribed as fordlandia@sbcglobal.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 08:27:23 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:27:08 EST Subject: [Tigers] 347 stroker with overdrive I'm curious...speaking to an engine building company about a 347 build-up. They say that they won't guarantee their engines if anyone runs a vacuum adavance on them. Say that they've had too many problems with something going wrong and the engine over-advancing and damage. The questions are: what do you think of their theory on this point and secondly what might someone expect from a 347 stroker without (or with ) vacuum using a 5 speed overdrive? Mark **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 09:03:45 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:03:28 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 347 stroker with overdrive You can definitely damage an engine from over-advance (I've previously blown a head gasket from an over-advance problem), but you're going to be giving up a lot of drivability and mileage by not using a vacuum advance distributor if your intent is to use the Tiger for highway cruising as a significant part. How long is their warranty period? You could run a mechanical distributor for the first year or whatever and then switch over. Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 09:07:43 2008 From: To: Tiger List , "James E. Pickard" Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:07:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] The need for wheels spacers James: The reason that Rick has that warning in his catalog is that if you have those brake drums that are pictured, your wheels will not seat flat on the drums the way that they should. Spacers are only "required" if the wheels you are using have enough negative offset to cause the wheel not to seat flat on the drum where it should. As an example, I have a set of original LAT-70's that I run most of the time on my Mk1A and I also have a set of American Racing Silverstones that I'll run occasionally, just for a different look. The offset of the LAT-70's does not require me to run a spacer at the rear, but the offset on the Silverstones is just slightly negative enough to allow the spokes to touch the drum at the edges, thus requiring a spacer. However, the lug nuts for the Silverstones have a longer shank on them, which allows me to run the spacer without having to have longer lug studs. Please...safety is the most important issue and this is not a place to scrimp. If you are asking questions about it, then you probably have a feeling deep down that it's not safe. Go with that gut feeling and, if you would feel better replacing the studs with longer units, then by all means do it. Having been there before, I can tell you it's no walk in the park, but it's also not impossible. Best of luck to you, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 09:20:48 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:14:05 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] 347 stroker with overdrive The builder has said that they've had too many warranty problems resulting from defective vacuum advance. Therefore they will not warranty anything that uses it. If the thing is pretty much not street drivable and won't get any kind of gas mileage, maybe it's not the one for me. **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 10:25:07 2008 From: "Cullen McCann" To: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:21:13 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 347 stroker with overdrive I have some experience with domestic V8's not running vacuum advance...and ive not personally found it to be an inconvenience. Quite often, if it's a higher compression motor, you might need a heavier duty starter to turn it over...but as far as driving around town, it has a bit more performance and seems to start and drive reliably...but then again that's a Chevrolet, but it is a stroked 400 inch block, about 450 horse...so we're not really comparing apples to apples.... Cullen 66 Tiger B382001452LRFOE Subject: Re: [Tigers] 347 stroker with overdrive The builder has said that they've had too many warranty problems resulting from defective vacuum advance. Therefore they will not warranty anything that uses it. If the thing is pretty much not street drivable and won't get any kind of gas mileage, maybe it's not the one for me. **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) You are subscribed as cmccann@lwpb.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 10:32:51 2008 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: cmccann@lwpb.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:32:17 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] 347 stroker with overdrive If you're worried about the "streetability" of the stroker build, why not just spec a milder cam, a little less compression and just run an oem Duraspark? If the motor is built right, I wouldn't worry about the warranty, but maybe run a mechanical advance during break in, when any machining or other issues would probably show up, anyway... Mike **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 14:03:14 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: MWood24020@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:03:02 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] for all the Rendezvous fans out there... Mike, Reminds me of my drive through the streets of Paris, although I never saw such little traffic (mostly like the 405 on any day. I parked as soon as we got to the hotel, and didn't take the car back out until we left. Must have been REAL early in the morning, but a thrill a minute. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com MWood24020@aol.com wrote: > OK, I know there's a few fans of the short film "Rendezvous"...but, have you > ever wondered exactly where he was driving? Well, here you go...it's really > kind of cool :-) > > (http://bhendrix.com/wall/Gmaps_GVideo_Mashup_Rendezvous.html) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 14:23:01 2008 From: "Ronak, TP \(Timothy\)" To: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:22:47 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Vacuum advance on a 347 Mark, Well I am running my 349 stroker and I have the MSD vacuum advance unit and I am VERY happy with it. The problem would be how much advance you leave in the distributor. Personally the mileage with the vacuum advance is nothing to write home about so if I were to consider no advance ... I think it would suck. The other option is perhaps to ask them for a turn key and tell them to provide a quality distributor that they are willing to warranty like an MSD. Most street applications I believe operate best with some form of vacuum advance for part throttle steady state cruising and without it I think it would lead to some additional heat. Regardless, Perhaps you are dealing with the wrong guys and they really do not want to warranty a street application. If it is a Race engine warranties do not mean much unless there is a failure that does not obliterate the cause in the self destruct sequence. By the way It makes plus 430 HP at the crank and runs as smooth as our stocker (sort of) 91 mustang. You are also running a light car and I doubt you will be pulling the 40 foot boat and usually pre-ignition destruction comes from heavy extended load. Hard enough to create enough load to break the rings in let alone grenade the engine due to detonation. Of course extended high RPM with do it but you did say it was for your street Tiger ... right? The big issue for me with the FORD 347+ strokers is the cold start piston slap ... not fatal but annoying. I just saw a 331 Stroker with only a little more stroke but a much large piston from FORD recently. They build it in a Race block and that is the route I would go. They saw 425+ HP out of it with very minor prep. I believe it was in Hot Rod last month. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak@crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak@cox.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 14:46:37 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: "James E. Pickard" , Tiger List Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:46:26 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] SS wheel spacers Jim, Ask Rick about his spacers, but the ones I have seen are counter-sunk for the nuts. Wheel clearance to fender is still an issue, though. My stock tire size, with American Racing Silverstone wheels. would rub sidewall against the folded metal lip edges (2 per side). http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/laifman_s/default.asp Had the lips ground some at the top by Steve Alcala (perhaps still at Steve Alcala is at 120 Sheldon El Segundo 310-322-6323), also in Darrel Mountjoy's article: http://www.tigersunited.com/articles/dm-lister/MountjoyLemans.asp I think you could buy those pullers from Dan. See Dan's article on the puller, and some racing stories: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/WaltersPuller/rt-WaltersHubPuller1.asp Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com James E. Pickard wrote: > <--- snip ---> > / First of all, I have to remove the rear hubs, which requires a > special tool I'll have to fabricate. / _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 15:28:33 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:28:20 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] 2005 Tigers - a retrospect I was going through our TigersUnited.com website an ran across some interesting speculations. In 2003 we ran a submission request for reader's concepts for a "future" 2005 Tiger. Got back a lot of concepts which are interesting then, and now. For your "/*Jumper*/" (the movie) head trip. Look back at the 2003 piece: http://www.tigersunited.com/articles/Tiger_2005/Tiger_2005-1.asp Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 16:36:03 2008 From: Peter MacDonald To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:35:46 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] wheel spacers and studs I believe the problem is the shape of the brake drum(dished) and the shape of the wheel-not the offset. My Cosmics are flat on the inside all the way from center to rim. If you torque them down the would distort without the spacer because they would only rest on the outer diameter of the drum. Some spoked wheels will rest flat against the centre part and are shaped enough to curve around the drum. When I got my car it had numerous bent and broken wheel studs. I replaced them with slighter longer Rootes ones. I don't see the part# written in my book but I can check and see if I can find it. They came from another Rootes brand, not an Alpine or Tiger. Peter _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 17:12:08 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: Peter MacDonald Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:11:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] wheel spacers and studs Peter- I need longer studs and am/was preparing to pull the hub, drill it out to fit the longer studs- the 7/16x20 thread is easy to find but the diameter of the splined area is much larger than stock Tiger wheel studs. If you can find the parts number and where you ordered them from it would be deeply appreciated. Thanks, TonytheTiger ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 19:13:09 2008 From: "Jim" To: "Tiger List" Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:16:44 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: SS wheel spacers I ordered a set from http://www.wheeladapter.com/ . Fred Goeske was great to deal with and provided a great product custom made to exactly what I needed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James E. Pickard" To: "Tiger List" Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:32 PM Subject: [Tigers] SS wheel spacers > OK, installing longer lug bolts is going to be far more difficult than I > imagined. First of all, I have to remove the rear hubs, which requires a > special tool I'll have to fabricate. But even worse, apparently longer > lug > bolts are not available that are the same diameter, requiring the hub > holes to > be drilled out to a larger size. There is a spacer available with > built-in > bolts, but this one is 1" thick and won't fit under my stock non-flared > fenders. > > So, my question is: are the stock lug bolts long enough to safely use > when > installing Rick's 1/4" spacers? I have 14" Panasport wheels and I only > get a > few turns on each lug nut before I get some resistance. I can get a > couple > more turns when I tighten them up. Is that enough? Is anybody else using > this set-up? Or is this more dangerous than not using the spacers at all? > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) > 2003 Mini Cooper > Lafayette, LA > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jimsnell@qwest.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 20:33:48 2008 From: 65tiger@comcast.net To: CoolVT@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 03:33:36 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 347 stroker with overdrive When I did the 5.0 conversion, I spent a lot of money on a new crate, Tremec, and all the parts. By the time I was done, I could have bought a built to order motor of various configurations. In retrospect, there are usually several 5.0 "take out" motors on Craigs list for $500 to $800 in the bay area. I just glanced, and there are 5 on the first page of listings. Two look very interesting. I would probably opt for a cheaper motor and "drive it like I stole it", not worry about builder guarantee (there was none when I bought my 5.0 from Ford, but there is now). I could have saved several thousand dollars buying a used motor. Most of these are running and the owners are taking them out to put a 331 or 347 in. Very little invested if something goes wrong. your mileage may vary (YMMV) Curtis been there and would do it a little different today. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: CoolVT@aol.com > I'm curious...speaking to an engine building company about a 347 build-up. > They say that they won't guarantee their engines if anyone runs a vacuum > adavance on them. Say that they've had too many problems with something going > wrong and the engine over-advancing and damage. > The questions are: what do you think of their theory on this point and > secondly what might someone expect from a 347 stroker without (or with ) vacuum > using a 5 speed overdrive? > Mark > > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as 65tiger@comcast.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 14 22:09:13 2008 From: DAVID GREEN To: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:09:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Darryl Montjoy Darryl, Please contact me off the list. Dave Green alpdavegre@msn.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 01:27:31 2008 From: "Patrick Helfer" To: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:26:50 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 347 stroker with overdrive Hi folks I'm thinking about getting a 347 stroked engine from http://www.fordcobraengines.com/ Does anyone have experience with them? Any other thoughts? Cheers patrick -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: tigers-bounces+patrick=patmania.ch@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+patrick=patmania.ch@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von 65tiger@comcast.net Gesendet: Freitag, 15. Februar 2008 04:34 An: CoolVT@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Tigers] 347 stroker with overdrive When I did the 5.0 conversion, I spent a lot of money on a new crate, Tremec, and all the parts. By the time I was done, I could have bought a built to order motor of various configurations. In retrospect, there are usually several 5.0 "take out" motors on Craigs list for $500 to $800 in the bay area. I just glanced, and there are 5 on the first page of listings. Two look very interesting. I would probably opt for a cheaper motor and "drive it like I stole it", not worry about builder guarantee (there was none when I bought my 5.0 from Ford, but there is now). I could have saved several thousand dollars buying a used motor. Most of these are running and the owners are taking them out to put a 331 or 347 in. Very little invested if something goes wrong. your mileage may vary (YMMV) Curtis been there and would do it a little different today. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: CoolVT@aol.com > I'm curious...speaking to an engine building company about a 347 build-up. > They say that they won't guarantee their engines if anyone runs a vacuum > adavance on them. Say that they've had too many problems with something going > wrong and the engine over-advancing and damage. > The questions are: what do you think of their theory on this point and > secondly what might someone expect from a 347 stroker without (or with ) vacuum > using a 5 speed overdrive? > Mark > > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as 65tiger@comcast.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as patrick@patmania.ch Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 06:28:04 2008 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:28:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2005 Tigers - a retrospect Perhaps it will take a large company like BMW to become the torch bearer. Here is an interesting article about them possibly reviving the Triumph car brand in the form of a classically-styled high-performance two-seat sports car. After the success of the new Mini, who knows? http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/210892/triumph.html Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Laifman Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 5:28 PM To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] 2005 Tigers - a retrospect I was going through our TigersUnited.com website an ran across some interesting speculations. In 2003 we ran a submission request for reader's concepts for a "future" 2005 Tiger. Got back a lot of concepts which are interesting then, and now. For your "/*Jumper*/" (the movie) head trip. Look back at the 2003 piece: http://www.tigersunited.com/articles/Tiger_2005/Tiger_2005-1.asp Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 08:00:19 2008 From: Stephen Waybright To: "Rense, Mark \(GE Indust, ConsInd\)" , Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:00:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2005 Tigers - a retrospect and BMW I didn't care much for the BMW Z4 styling, but it's proportions and specs would have made for a fantastic Austin Healey model that could sell along side the Mini. --- "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" wrote: > Perhaps it will take a large company like BMW to become the torch > bearer. Here is an interesting article about them possibly reviving > the > Triumph car brand in the form of a classically-styled > high-performance > two-seat sports car. After the success of the new Mini, who knows? > > http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/210892/triumph.html > > Bugz > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Steve Laifman > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 5:28 PM > To: Tiger's Den > Subject: [Tigers] 2005 Tigers - a retrospect > > I was going through our TigersUnited.com website an ran across some > interesting speculations. > In 2003 we ran a submission request for reader's concepts for a > "future" > > 2005 Tiger. > > Got back a lot of concepts which are interesting then, and now. > > For your "/*Jumper*/" (the movie) head trip. Look back at the 2003 > piece: > > http://www.tigersunited.com/articles/Tiger_2005/Tiger_2005-1.asp _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 11:17:54 2008 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:17:49 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Ford Bell Housing "Just what the heck is the correct Ford part number for a 6 bolt block to a early ford toploader. Anyone have a pix of the correct 6 bolt to toploader bellhousing, outside and inside views? SHoot me a pix or two?" I don't know if you received the photo and info you were looking for but in case you didn't, the CAT shop notes has photos of the dual pattern bell housing. The part number is c5ta-6394-a and it is listed as a cast iron bell housing with both narrow and wide bolt patterns. The one I have is c5a-6394-b and is aluminum with both bolt patterns. It is possible my bell housing may have had the extra bolt holes drilled and tapped by a previous owner. A couple of years ago I called Dave Kee Top Loader specialist and asked if they had any Ford 8 hole bell housings in stock and he said Ford never made one. Dave said he would make me one for $275 using a cast iron one and drilling jigs. Maybe someone has been drilling extra holes in bell housings and everyone assumes they are factory originals. Although if you look closely you can make out the extra bolt holes in some of the bell housings It looks like they were filled in when cast. My digital camera is not working so I can't send you photos. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 17:45:53 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:45:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Peter McDonald was kind enough to dig thru old receipts from as far back as 1972- that was befor I owned my first Tiger- dam are we all getting old or what- DONT answer that question. Anyone with a parts book and or the conctact info for the parts guys in the UK that cna help, my appreciation is note now. Im trying to find longer lug bolts- Peter had this part number (Part# is 1216831) and was for another Rootes product besides Alpine/Tigers. I have no idea if these lug bolts can be tracked down but it means drilling out the hub to install any I have found as the splined part in much larger in diameter than th3 stock 7/16x20. My machinest says by the time he makes them the same diameter as the stock lugs there wil be no spline left on the bolts Ive already bought. Thanks again for any imput. regards, TonytheTiger ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 22:13:28 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:13:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] CAT newsletter??? List Ealier this evening while looking thru some papers, I stumbled across one of my CAT newsletters. My subscription expired a few months back, although I cant remember the last newsletter I received, Im certin I didnt recieve an experation email- but my provider was bought out and that may have been why. I did enjoy the newsletter, made me feel closer to all you guys closer to the other coast and of course access to the parts room was part of the equation. Is there a LLIST member who has the "skinny" on CAT and their newsletter or rather lack of one. regards, TonytheTiger ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 23:22:58 2008 From: Theo Smit To: Tony Somebody , Tiger's Den Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:32:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) Tony, I saw on the TEAE forum where Tiger Tom Ehrhart (sp?) recommended the use of the .480" knurl Moroso studs. They're 2-7/8" long or something like that, and require that you drill the hubs slightly oversize. I think he recommended a 15/32" drill bit, which is a small enough oversize from the stock hole that you can use a hand drill if you take care to get it as square as possible to the hub. If you do this, then the best way I've found to install new studs is to use a good nut (a lug nut threaded on backwards works fine) over top of a pair of 7/16" washers, and then you can run the nut down onto the washers until it pulls the stud into the hub. If the flange thickness is insufficient to support the entire knurl, then you have to use a larger washer (1/2") as the one right against the hub. Use anti-seize or some other lubricant on the threads (not the knurl) when you do the installation like this. Also: If you decide to cut the studs, you'll need a couple of new hacksaw blades and a really good thread die or some new needle files to fix the threads afterwards... those studs are HARD. Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 15 23:55:39 2008 From: "Buck Trippel" To: "Tony Somebody" , Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:55:26 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] CAT newsletter??? Tony, I think I received my last CAT Tiger Tales about 3 weeks ago. The next issue will go to the printers in about a week. You can renew your membership throught the CAT website, www.catmbr.org Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Somebody" To: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] CAT newsletter??? > List > Ealier this evening while looking thru some papers, I > stumbled across one of my CAT newsletters. My > subscription expired a few months back,.. . Is > there a LLIST member who has the "skinny" on CAT and > their newsletter or rather lack of one. regards, > TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 09:16:11 2008 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:15:47 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] One Hard-Knock Tip and One Request I pulled the tanks out of B382000991 last night in preparation to have them sealed. While not a difficult job, there is an art to getting them out of the fender well recesses without scratching the hell out of them. Anyway, I noticed a significant amount of liquid pooled in the low part of the trunk floor under each tank directly behind each wheel well. I thought it was just gas run-off from the bottoms of the tanks, but it turned out that there was some water mixed in as well. The car has not seen water since it was washed and put away for the winter in January. Don't know how it got in there, but will investigate further. I saw that there was a drain grommet at the bottom of each well, and after cleaning them out with an ice pick, all the fluid dribbled out. Hence, the hard-knock tip of the day: Be sure all your body drain points are periodically cleaned, you never know when you may spring a leak, water or gas. Now for the request: Has anyone on the list used the Gas Tank Renu process on their tanks? http://www.gastankrenu.com Seems like a good product but both the local franchise owners told me they will need to cut a hole in each tank to get access. Also, I did not get a warm feeling about their ability to coat the cross-over tubes. These tanks were incorrectly coated many years ago and need to be stripped completely. I've used the Creem system on motorbike tanks but since I need the tanks boiled out anyway I am starting from scratch. Any recommendations?? Thanks, Bugz _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 09:27:50 2008 From: Theo Smit To: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:37:51 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] One Hard-Knock Tip and One Request I'd be leery of any place that didn't think that the existing 2" holes for the rear crossover, and the filler hole on the right tank, and the fuel sender hole on the left, were enough to get the coating in. I had my tanks and crossover tubes cleaned and re-coated at a local rad shop. I don't know the brand name but the coating is translucent red. You're definitely right on the drains... if you get the car undercoated (or if that has been done at any time) then it's worth while to go and ream the drains out with a suitable sized pick or awl. Somehow water will get in through the tiniest crevices, but won't drain unless the hole is about 1/8" diameter or larger. Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 09:39:25 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: mark.rense@ge.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:39:11 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] One Hard-Knock Tip and One Request In a message dated 2/16/2008 11:16:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, mark.rense@ge.com writes: http://www.gastankrenu.com Bugz, I used them this year. I used Moyer's in PA. Mine just had the original finish inside. I think they told me that they somehow sandblased the interior. I'm pretty sure they never cut them open. I guess I was satisfied. I'll let you know in a few years how they hold up. They do give a life time warranty on them. I couldn't get the drain plugs out of the bottom of the tanks and I think I told them to just leave them in and not worry about them. They did the crossover pipes for no charge and they came out well. The one complaint I had was after spending much time with them on the phone describing the tanks and what had to be done, they said they could do them for $100 each. When the tanks arrived at their shop they arrounced that it would $150 each. Of course after all the trouble of packing and shipping, I just let them go ahead. Check with Moyer (one of their franchisees) and see if they say anything about cutting open the tanks. Moyer is (724) 836-4680. Mark L. **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 10:29:40 2008 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: CoolVT@aol.com, mark.rense@ge.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:29:21 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] One Hard-Knock Tip and One Request The water comes from condensation on the tanks when you put 'cold' gas into the tank when its warm outside. Look at a glass with a cold drink. The drain holes are a quick check to see if the fender or quarter panels were replaced. Most shops wouldn't take the time to drill the holes. ReNu just quoted me $250 with no guarantee. In their dreams. I think I'll go the Eastwood route and do them myself. Does anyone have experience with their process. Doug Jennings also offers a tank coating service. Dave In a message dated 2/16/2008 10:39:42 A.M. Central Standard Time, CoolVT@aol.com writes: In a message dated 2/16/2008 11:16:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, mark.rense@ge.com writes: http://www.gastankrenu.com Bugz, I used them this year. I used Moyer's in PA. Mine just had the original finish inside. I think they told me that they somehow sandblased the interior. I'm pretty sure they never cut them open. I guess I was satisfied. I'll let you know in a few years how they hold up. They do give a life time warranty on them. I couldn't get the drain plugs out of the bottom of the tanks and I think I told them to just leave them in and not worry about them. They did the crossover pipes for no charge and they came out well. The one complaint I had was after spending much time with them on the phone describing the tanks and what had to be done, they said they could do them for $100 each. When the tanks arrived at their shop they arrounced that it would $150 each. Of course after all the trouble of packing and shipping, I just let them go ahead. Check with Moyer (one of their franchisees) and see if they say anything about cutting open the tanks. Moyer is (724) 836-4680. Mark L. **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) You are subscribed as djoh797014@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 10:44:12 2008 From: "Ross" To: , , , Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:44:03 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] One Hard-Knock Tip and One Request I used the POR 15 system. I had the tanks boiled out at a local radiator shop. I followed the instructions for the POR 15 tank sealing system that I received to the letter. It was an easy job and done in 1 hour. I let the tanks dry per instructions and 5 years later and 5500+ miles they still look like new inside. I spent $40 the POR15 and $25 to have the tank and crossover boiled out. Oh yeah, and $2.49 for the Rustoleum rattle can paint job on the exterior of the tanks. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse The water comes from condensation on the tanks when you put 'cold' gas into the tank when its warm outside. Look at a glass with a cold drink. The drain holes are a quick check to see if the fender or quarter panels were replaced. Most shops wouldn't take the time to drill the holes. ReNu just quoted me $250 with no guarantee. In their dreams. I think I'll go the Eastwood route and do them myself. Does anyone have experience with their process. Doug Jennings also offers a tank coating service. Dave _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 12:24:37 2008 From: "Mike Michels" To: "Buck Trippel" , "Tony Somebody" Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:24:25 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] CAT newsletter??? Tony, we plan on publishing 6 issues (bi-monthly) of Tiger Tales this year at a minimum, depending on budget. The next one should hit the mail the second week of March. We don't offer subscriptions, it's mailed to all members of C.A.T. Mike Michels, New Co-editor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buck Trippel" To: "Tony Somebody" ; Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] CAT newsletter??? > Tony, > > I think I received my last CAT Tiger Tales about 3 weeks ago. The next > issue > will go to the printers in about a week. > > You can renew your membership throught the CAT website, www.catmbr.org > > Buck Trippel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Somebody" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] CAT newsletter??? > > >> List >> Ealier this evening while looking thru some papers, I >> stumbled across one of my CAT newsletters. My >> subscription expired a few months back,.. . Is >> there a LLIST member who has the "skinny" on CAT and >> their newsletter or rather lack of one. regards, >> TonytheTiger > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mmichels@socal.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 14:38:35 2008 From: "Curt Bowland" To: "Tiger Digest" Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:38:04 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Magazine Issue Information I have a decent Tiger literatue collection and like to add to it as much as possible. Last year, I believe Street Rodder had article about the ex Darrel Brunn/Doan Spencer built grey Tiger. This car was suequently purchased by Kirk White and in his later ads in Hemmings he referenced this article. I have done some checking and it appears that Street Rodder is a bi-monthly publication. I believe the article would have been in the June or August issue. Can anyone please confirm which or the correct month. Thanks in advance. Curt Bowland Chicago _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 16:32:47 2008 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:32:41 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Magazine Issue Information Curt, I pick up almost all issues of Street Rodder, which features very few sixties cars, and don't remember an article about a Tiger. I tried their wed site and couldn't find any reference to a Tiger. There was an article in Hot Rod magazine. You can find it at: http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/113_0603_1966_sunbeam_tiger/index.htm l Hope this is what you are looking for. A.C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > Last year, I believe Street Rodder had article about the ex Darrel > Brunn/Doan > Spencer built grey Tiger. This car was suequently purchased by Kirk White > and in his later ads in Hemmings he referenced this article. I believe the article would have been in the June or August > issue. Can anyone please confirm which or the correct month. > > Thanks in advance. > > Curt Bowland > Chicago _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 16:50:07 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: "A. C. Tynes" Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:49:54 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Magazine Issue Information A.C., and Tigers, The website code, in order to work, must include the final "l" in "...html". to reach the page. Hopefully the full index can be seen in this link: http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/113_0603_1966_sunbeam_tiger/index.html Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com A. C. Tynes wrote: > Curt, > > I pick up almost all issues of Street Rodder, which features very few > sixties cars, and don't remember an article about a Tiger. I tried their wed > site and couldn't find any reference to a Tiger. > > There was an article in Hot Rod magazine. You can find it at: > http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/113_0603_1966_sunbeam_tiger/index.htm > l > > Hope this is what you are looking for. > > A.C. Tynes > New Orleans _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Feb 16 16:53:37 2008 From: "David or Gary Franchi" To: Tony Somebody Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 23:53:23 GMT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wheel studs Hi Tony, Went through my new Sunbeam parts and can tell you what won't work. The original stud is part #12314407 when I ordered these from England (R.J. Grimes) about 20 years ago they sent me part #71239807 as a replacement. I thought these were longer than the originals but I just went and checked and they appear to be the same length. They measure 1 1/2" from the outside threaded tip to the front of the edge which goes against the hub. If you want one for a pattern let me know. Peter McDonalds part #1216831 is for Alpines from serial B9116788 up to Ser IV. Don't know why these would be longer. Regards, David Franchi _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Feb 17 09:54:02 2008 From: Rollright@aol.com To: mark.rense@ge.com Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:53:43 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tank Re- Newz or what ever Hey Bugz, I had them do an old Aston Martin DB 2 tank for me. Generally I'm happy but the goop they put on the outside (optional) is lumpy and not so pretty. Ask them about the outside. The tank had a number of rusted out perforations after de rusting. and they fixed all that and coated the inside. In all, pretty good **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Feb 17 11:54:38 2008 From: "Peter Laurinaitis" To: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:54:28 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] fog lights/driving lights what is period-correct/oem for wiring up a dash switch to control a pair of fog lights/driving lights? where would the switch be located? replace one of the stock switches on the dash? share the headlight switch? other? thks peter _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Feb 17 11:56:28 2008 From: "Peter Laurinaitis" To: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:56:18 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] remote oil filter fitting to block i want to restore the original remote oil filter set up on my tiger. i have all brackets and hoses, except for the fitting that mounts to the block down below. does anyone have an extra original one they would be willing to sell? i also recall one of the tiger vendors selling an aftermarket one, but dont recall who, if you recall, pls email me. thks peter _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Feb 17 14:10:10 2008 From: To: "Peter Laurinaitis" , Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:10:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] fog lights/driving lights My original car with original driving lights has a OE toggle switch on the dash next to headlight switch Gary B9472283 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Laurinaitis" To: Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 1:54 PM Subject: [Tigers] fog lights/driving lights > what is period-correct/oem for wiring up a dash switch to control a pair > of > fog lights/driving lights? where would the switch be located? replace > one of > the stock switches on the dash? share the headlight switch? other? > > thks > peter > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as arado7@sbcglobal.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Feb 17 16:19:19 2008 From: dhhall@bellsouth.net To: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:18:57 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] One Hard-Knock Tip and One Request I put out this same request a year ago. The consensus was to use Red Kote, a brand usually used by radiator shops. There was uniform consensus to NOT use the Eastwood product. Personally, I don't like the outer coating that Gas Tank Renu uses. Plus, if you are doing multiple tanks, it saves a lot of money to do it yourself. You can also easily do the crossover tubes. I got a gallon of Red Kote for less than $100 sent to my house from O'Reilly Auto Parts. Can't understand why they would need to cut a hole to use their product. David -------------- Original message from "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" : -------------- > I pulled the tanks out of B382000991 last night in preparation to have > them sealed. While not a difficult job, there is an art to getting them > out of the fender well recesses without scratching the hell out of them. > Anyway, I noticed a significant amount of liquid pooled in the low part > of the trunk floor under each tank directly behind each wheel well. I > thought it was just gas run-off from the bottoms of the tanks, but it > turned out that there was some water mixed in as well. The car has not > seen water since it was washed and put away for the winter in January. > Don't know how it got in there, but will investigate further. I saw that > there was a drain grommet at the bottom of each well, and after cleaning > them out with an ice pick, all the fluid dribbled out. Hence, the > hard-knock tip of the day: > > Be sure all your body drain points are periodically cleaned, you never > know when you may spring a leak, water or gas. > > Now for the request: > > Has anyone on the list used the Gas Tank Renu process on their tanks? > > http://www.gastankrenu.com > > Seems like a good product but both the local franchise owners told me > they will need to cut a hole in each tank to get access. Also, I did not > get a warm feeling about their ability to coat the cross-over tubes. > > These tanks were incorrectly coated many years ago and need to be > stripped completely. I've used the Creem system on motorbike tanks but > since I need the tanks boiled out anyway I am starting from scratch. > > Any recommendations?? > > Thanks, > > Bugz > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as dhhall@bellsouth.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Feb 17 17:11:29 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: dhhall@bellsouth.net, mark.rense@ge.com Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:11:15 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] One Hard-Knock Tip and One Request I don't think the big issue is applying a particular product...any good one would probably work okay. I think the major job is how to clean out the previously applied coating. M **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Feb 17 19:08:35 2008 From: "michael king" To: Tigerlist Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:08:20 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger for sale $15 Now this is a cheap Tiger, if i was closer i would buy it just for fun! http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Sunbeam-Tiger-lawnmower_W0QQitemZ170194719500QQihZ007QQcategoryZ9882QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Feb 17 19:28:32 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:28:12 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger for sale $15 Too bad they're not selling the other one in pic two. That one appears to be self propelled by the goat! By the way, I can't quite make out the color, is it BRG or is it too dark to be called that. Tom :-) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 18 10:00:33 2008 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net, "Peter Laurinaitis" Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:00:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] fog lights/driving lights Hi Peter: I don't remember any options from the factory to mount extra switches in the dash. When I bought my Tiger new, I put fog lights on it and used an extra switch that I had mounted in an auxiliary panel above the gearbox hump. You can always drill a hole in the dash, which was often done, but keep in mind that the dash is pretty thick and you will have to clean out space behind the dash to mount the switch in all likelihood. When I bought my car, there was a new regulation in my state that cars had to have four-way flashers, so the dealer had drilled a big hole in the dash and mounted one of those 60's style pull-out switches with a flasher built in. I have since filled the hole with a 12v outlet to run my shoe phone and radar detector off. The hole that was originally intended for the cigar lighter is filled with a small lamp that can be used for reading that I got from JC Whitney long ago. I even found a push-button switch to replace the original windshield washer pump when I electrified my washers. I also drilled a small hole to mount a dash light for the four-way flashers and I now have a small switch panel mounted below my radio that holds a bunch of switches for my fogs, the four-way flashers, back-up lights and headlight flasher, so there are many solutions but nothing very standard. I wrote an article for Tigers United some time ago about putting a radio in the Tiger and it has a picture of my dash. if you want to see some of the results. The most important thing, when mounting auxiliary lights, is to use a relay wired to the battery so as to not overtax the wiring in your Tiger. Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 18 11:36:32 2008 From: J D Johnson To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:35:45 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] fog lights/driving lights I seemed to remember you could get an optional switch panel. http://www.geocities.com/jds_johnson/optional_switch_panel.jpg JD At 09:00 AM 2/18/2008, Tod Brown wrote: >Hi Peter: > >I don't remember any options from the factory to mount extra switches in >the dash...(snip) -- Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1285 - Release Date: 2/18/2008 5:50 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 18 12:37:59 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: tigers@autox.team.net, Peter Laurinaitis Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:37:19 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] fog lights/driving lights Peter, and Tigers, Bill Gegg has provided us color coded wiring diagrams for all Tiger models. Whether your particular car has the existing wiring for the lights depends on the model. All diagrams are within the Workshop Manual section of TigersUnited.com, and can be directly found either through the Menu system, or http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmN35.asp or, http://www.tigersunited.com/info/contrib.asp STEVE ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Feb 20 04:08:34 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Tiger List" Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:08:08 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Article in Practical Classics the march issue of the UK magazine, practical classics has an article comparing the tiger to other british muscle - the e type v12, the sp250, the interceptor and the rover p5b. nothing too detailed or new but the modified tiger they feature is quite nice. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Feb 20 12:29:06 2008 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:28:04 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 67 Hello, Got my Tiger back from the maintenance depot with fresh engine, shift linkage and all. Can't put the shoe to test the new LAT 1, Port/polish, dig. spark. Took it at lunch today to get a sticker which expired during the rebuilding process. Sadly, it is still winter in New England and I need to put the car away for the two months until the perma-frost gets soggy. BUT.....the new cam is spicier and sound great in the exhasuts! So, new diff (remember the flood?) new clutch a week and a half before the engine went south. Only the trans. internally, is untouched. C'mon spring. And Tod, I'll see you in October for sure if not sooner. Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright@aol.com **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 21 19:25:19 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: Tiger List Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:24:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Removed hub= KROIL OIL While Ive yet to locate longer than stock lug bolts- that fit the Tiger hubs, I did manage to remove the hub w/ broken lugs woithout making a special tool. I only had 3 lug bolts, so I would have to use a short bolt to make use of all four lugs. There isnt enough room to replace a broken stud- just wont turn square- I even had one shorter than stock which I thought was broken- only to find the number 8 on the thread end and the splined end has a much different than stock champfer - if looking at the bottom end- had to have been a replacement by some PO. I did have a puller a friend insisted would work- it had 3 arms and the part they hooked to and the push bolt threads thru is round, so locating the arms is very easy. Also they bolted on the studs properly. I had applied Kroil oil- the stuff guranteed to penetrate a millionth of an inch. I had used it at different coal mines during my construction career and purchased it by the gallon, in different types for the landscaping business and future problems. The puller didnt work. I use an impact to torque it down after using so much Kroil oil I had a nice puddle on the floor.Then tightened it more using the tool that came with the puller- a wrench w/ a place to hammer on each end(hole in middle)so I tightened it a bit more, placed a 100 watt trouble light on top the end of the hub and went home.A few days latter I returned to retrieve my insulated coveralls- had to trench in a new water line(always something and no water really SUX)While at the shop I had high hopes the hubb had popped off- instead the bulb wasnt even burning- short in the trouble light- I decided to smack the end of the push bolt a few good ones- I was frustrated. Then I hit the slugging wrench and on the third swing the hub popped loose- YES, I was smiling. Long story- Im sorry BUT the kroil oil was on the key, about half way down the length and also working its way thru the hub. I was lucky and I see why you need the right puller or do as advised and go to a Jeep dealer who has the tool to work on Dana rearends- that advice came from a pretty sharp member. Im still going to attempt the other side BUT havent given up on the studs- MG place sold me some and either I was reading my mic wrong or he was as they are much larger than the few .0001s we compared over the phone- they are the right thread and much longer tho. Hope the post wasnt to long and everyone is getting ready for spring as I look at the fresh ice and snow we received today. regards to all, TTT PS- I advise everyone to purchase some Kroil oil- it comes in spray as well and it raly works!! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 22 08:01:55 2008 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: achd73@yahoo.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:01:23 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Removed hub= KROIL OIL I've used Kroil for many yeras and never had it fail to do the job. They don't sell the stuff at the parts store, and you have to buy a case of cans, or gallons, directly from them. Gets expensive, but what price would you pay for success? Fred Baum **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 22 08:11:28 2008 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:10:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Removed hub= KROIL OIL I always have one of my guys keep a stock of Kroil here in the lab, occasionally I 'borrow" a bit when needed. Nothing else works as well. You can buy it from Kano: http://www.kanolabs.com/google/ Or individually from several sources on line or at gun stores. http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=137203 Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of FHSLOTH13@aol.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 10:01 AM To: achd73@yahoo.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Removed hub= KROIL OIL I've used Kroil for many yeras and never had it fail to do the job. They don't sell the stuff at the parts store, and you have to buy a case of cans, or gallons, directly from them. Gets expensive, but what price would you pay for success? Fred Baum _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 22 10:37:54 2008 From: "Alan Zeni" To: "tiger" Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:37:31 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Rocker Arm Clearance I have one more question for the tiger community. I'm installing some late model heads on my 289. I have a mild cam that will require roller tip rockers. The heads take pedestal mount rocker arm. Has anyone had luck using roller rockers with the original chrome valve covers? Thanks in advance. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 22 11:08:07 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:07:23 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Removed hub= KROIL OIL http://www.midwayusa.com/esearch.exe/search?search_keywords=kroil&category_s elector=all_products Fred, you can get it from Midway at above address. -- Bill -- I've used Kroil for many yeras and never had it fail to do the job. They don't sell the stuff at the parts store, and you have to buy a case of cans, or gallons, directly from them. Gets expensive, but what price would you pay for success? Fred Baum _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 22 20:00:25 2008 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net, Rollright@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:58:23 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] New Engine, etc. Jim: Looking forward. A bright spot in the never-ending winter in New England. B382002384LRXFE up on blocks in the garage. Tod _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 22 20:51:26 2008 From: Robert Bernardino To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:05:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Cat in the cold Jim, Where in New England are you that limits you from driving your cat? I am in New Haven, CT and still drive my car daily. Thank god for the hard top cause it sure is cold in the mornings. Rob Hello, Got my Tiger back from the maintenance depot with fresh engine, shift linkage and all. Can't put the shoe to test the new LAT 1, Port/ polish, dig. spark. Took it at lunch today to get a sticker which expired during the rebuilding process. Sadly, it is still winter in New England and I need to put the car away for the two months until the perma-frost gets soggy. BUT.....the new cam is spicier and sound great in the exhasuts! So, new diff (remember the flood?) new clutch a week and a half before the engine went south. Only the trans. internally, is untouched. C'mon spring. And Tod, I'll see you in October for sure if not sooner. Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright@aol.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Feb 23 05:13:50 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 07:12:15 EST Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Maybe a little steep in price??? _http://www.rpmvt.com/sunbeam.html_ (http://www.rpmvt.com/sunbeam.html) **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Feb 23 06:35:40 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:32:16 EST Subject: [Tigers] Don't honk at old people. A woman was running a video of her son skateboarding and caught this scene. M **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of 46896-GrannyAirBag.wmv] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Feb 23 08:51:33 2008 From: "Cullen McCann" To: , Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:50:23 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) Holy cow.....I would think that's really high. If that Alpine is worth that, my tigers worth a 100 grand. I've bought 2 alpines not much worse than that for less than 3 grand.... -----Original Message----- From: CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 6:09 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Maybe a little steep in price??? _http://www.rpmvt.com/sunbeam.html_ (http://www.rpmvt.com/sunbeam.html) **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duf fy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) You are subscribed as cmccann@lwpb.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Feb 23 10:52:19 2008 From: Tom Hall To: CoolVT@aol.com Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:49:08 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) At 04:12 AM 2/23/2008, you wrote: >Maybe a little steep in price??? Looks like the very late production Alpine formerly owned by Jack and Ruth Bash. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Feb 23 11:30:29 2008 From: J D Johnson To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:30:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) I didn't think they made any '66 Alpines with metal soft top covers. JD At 09:49 AM 2/23/2008, Tom Hall wrote: >At 04:12 AM 2/23/2008, you wrote: > >Maybe a little steep in price??? > >Looks like the very late production Alpine formerly owned by Jack and >Ruth Bash. -- Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1294 - Release Date: 2/22/2008 6:39 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Feb 23 11:58:45 2008 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:57:43 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Cheapest Source Yet for The Works Tiger Book I don't recall if this source was mentioned for "The Works Tigers" but try collectorscarbooks.com. The bookstore is based in the UK and has the book for $93 shipped to your door. I haven' t seen it listed cheaper anywhere else. The book is interesting and has good info on the rally Tigers. There is even a photo of Lee Iacocca checking out the Tiger along with Carrol Shelby and John Panks at the New York auto show. One photo shows FRW667c smashed pretty badly after the 1966 Monte Carlo rally. It looks like it rolled over a few times. The car exists and Norm's web site http://www.rootes1.com/index.asp says it is a fake base on a Alpine. I guess we now know how it was repaired. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Feb 23 12:23:49 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: modtiger@comcast.net Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:18:39 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) It's in Vt. The son of the owner of the shop said it's an extremely original car. It has an alternator. Did they ever come with one? M **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Feb 23 12:53:47 2008 From: J D Johnson To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:51:22 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) Series V Alpines had alternators, but this car appears to be a Series IV. JD At 11:18 AM 2/23/2008, CoolVT@aol.com wrote: >It's in Vt. The son of the owner of the shop said it's an extremely >original car. It has an alternator. Did they ever come with one? -- Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1294 - Release Date: 2/22/2008 6:39 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Feb 23 13:14:26 2008 From: "Stu Brennan" To: "'Robert Bernardino'" , Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:13:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cat in the cold I recall that you came from the south, so maybe you don't know about this. The problem is not the cold, but the salt that they use to melt the ice on the roads this season. Accelerates the rusting. Even though they didn't spread any that day, it's still there. Have you noticed how the sides of the roads look lighter than they did in the summer? That's the salt. Being near the ocean doesn't help either. Get a good storm and the salt spray can go a surprising distance inland. IIRC, Cape Cod saw evidence of salt damage over a mile inland after a storm. I'm in MA, right at the NE corner of RI. I've driven it into January when we haven't had any snow or ice. My Tiger stays off the road until we've had a couple really good spring rains, with no freezing and salting after. Usually mid April. I had my Tiger out in some salt free snow once, for some photography, and it's the most horrible car I ever drove in the snow. Except maybe the '79 Mercury Marquis wagon when the tires were almost done. An inch or two of snow and I couldn't get back up my driveway. Stu Brennan _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Feb 23 19:37:37 2008 From: TIGEROOTES@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:37:20 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 70 http://www.rpmvt.com/sunbeam.html 66 Alpine? That would make it a Series 5. EXCEPT FOR... pedals, round trunk lid and door, tach, letters on the front, carbie, small booster... All of the above indicates its a Series 4. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Feb 23 22:37:17 2008 From: "Ross" To: "'David Woerpel'" , , Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:35:03 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Alpines] Messed up Series V tach Andy, My first thought is this is a race car. Do you have a hot coil and electronic ignition components in the distributor? These tachs were not set up to handle the rise time and amplitude on the pickup. Tom Hall engineering has a fix for that if want it. Go to this link and click on Tech Tips. http://66.175.58.218/ Ross "Commodore Blues" Loop too large? Had that happen on a Sprite. Just a thought. Dave awtiger@cox.net wrote: > (Sorry to bomb the Tiger list with this, but I figured that since Tigers have roughly the same tach setup as Alpines, I'd bounce this off of you guys, too...) > > I'm wiring up a Series V tach in my race car (Alpine) that I got from a friend of mine. > Thanks much, > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE > B9006857LRX _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Feb 23 23:08:25 2008 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, 'David Woerpel' , Ross Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 22:04:09 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Alpines] Messed up Series V tach Ross: Thanks for your input. I just sent a response to Theo Smith and the lists that addresses your point. I am running a Lucas sports coil but that shouldn't be enough voltage to screw up the tach operation, especially as they were offered as hotter replacement coils over-the-counter back in "the day." I'm open to other suggestions, though. Thanks, Ross, Andy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Feb 24 07:22:59 2008 From: "Alvin Johnson" To: "Stu Brennan" , "'Robert Bernardino'" Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:17:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cat in the cold I drove my Tiger year round for 15 years before I restored & garaged it for winters. It is terrible in the snow, but I commuted 120 miles per day for 3 of those 15, from NProv RI to Newton, MA. My other car during those days was a Volvo 144 RWDrive---which was every bit as bad as the Tiger in the snow. My solution? Studded snow tires on both. And snow driving skill. My new Volvo S-80 has 4 wheel drive---great in the snow, but lousy mileage. Al J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stu Brennan" To: "'Robert Bernardino'" ; Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cat in the cold >I recall that you came from the south, so maybe you don't know about > this. The problem is not the cold, but the salt that they use to melt > the ice on the roads this season. Accelerates the rusting. Even though > they didn't spread any that day, it's still there. Have you noticed how > the sides of the roads look lighter than they did in the summer? That's > the salt. Being near the ocean doesn't help either. Get a good storm > and the salt spray can go a surprising distance inland. IIRC, Cape Cod > saw evidence of salt damage over a mile inland after a storm. > > I'm in MA, right at the NE corner of RI. I've driven it into January > when we haven't had any snow or ice. My Tiger stays off the road until > we've had a couple really good spring rains, with no freezing and > salting after. Usually mid April. > > I had my Tiger out in some salt free snow once, for some photography, > and it's the most horrible car I ever drove in the snow. Except maybe > the '79 Mercury Marquis wagon when the tires were almost done. An inch > or two of snow and I couldn't get back up my driveway. > > Stu Brennan > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as twojohnsons@cox.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Feb 24 10:25:23 2008 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:24:54 EST Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam (Tiger) valve cover label Hello, When I bought new chrome valve covers, I realized that I'd need to find someone or somehow to duplicate the stamping on the Sunbeam Specailties supplied blank label. This is the Sunbeam Tiger engine label located on the passenger side cover . It is stamped with engine (etc) information when supplied on a new Tiger. A fellow lister from Canada gave me a lead to someone that might do this service and I followed up. Several listers then contacted me about getting the fellow's name and contact information. I waited until: 1) I had the stamped label in hand 2) could vouch for the quality (very, very good) 3) ask the fellow if he wanted to be contacted by others that desired this service. 4) had his permission to forward contact information. This was obtained The gentleman involved is Larry Atkisson in Washington state e-dress is _catkisson@aol.com_ (mailto:catkisson@aol.com) The transaction was quite satisfactory. Thank you Larry. Good luck to all. Best to all, Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright@aol.com **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Feb 24 12:00:05 2008 From: Dick Barker To: tigers@autox.team.net,tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:59:45 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 70 At 11:00 AM 2/23/2008, Tom Hall wrote: >Looks like the very late production Alpine formerly owned by Jack and >Ruth Bash. Tom et al, I don't know what car the Bashes owned, but this one looks like a Series IV; single carb, letters over the grill, early pedals, etc. Dick _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Feb 24 13:43:36 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: J D Johnson Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:43:19 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] - Model Year JD, and Tigers, The model year change in GB is different than the US (at least in CA). If a car is purchased after the US model changeover it is the later year. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com J D Johnson wrote: > I didn't think they made any '66 Alpines with metal soft top covers. > > JD > > At 09:49 AM 2/23/2008, Tom Hall wrote: > > >> At 04:12 AM 2/23/2008, you wrote: >> >>> Maybe a little steep in price??? >>> >> Looks like the very late production Alpine formerly owned by Jack and >> Ruth Bash. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Feb 24 13:57:05 2008 From: "Ross" To: "'Steve Laifman'" , "'J D Johnson'" Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:56:23 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] - Model Year Steve, I remember in the day (60's) at least in Tennessee, Florida, and Washington, Oregon that cars were registered as the year in which they sold new. My Series IV Alpine was purchased in Tennessee new in 1965 and listed as a 1965 but it was manufactured in 1964. My MK 1 Tiger was purchased in Washington in 1967 and listed as a 67 Sunbeam Tiger. Which I am sure would confuse someone today. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse Subject: Re: [Tigers] - Model Year JD, and Tigers, The model year change in GB is different than the US (at least in CA). If a car is purchased after the US model changeover it is the later year. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com J D Johnson wrote: > I didn't think they made any '66 Alpines with metal soft top covers. > > JD > > At 09:49 AM 2/23/2008, Tom Hall wrote: > > >> At 04:12 AM 2/23/2008, you wrote: >> >>> Maybe a little steep in price??? >>> >> Looks like the very late production Alpine formerly owned by Jack and >> Ruth Bash. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Feb 24 13:58:28 2008 From: J D Johnson To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:58:05 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] - Model Year This is great news! My car is a MK 2 after all! JD At 12:43 PM 2/24/2008, Steve Laifman wrote: >JD, and Tigers, > >The model year change in GB is different than the US (at least in >CA). If a car is purchased after the US model changeover it is the >later year. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.0/1296 - Release Date: 2/24/2008 12:19 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Feb 24 14:13:16 2008 From: "Jim" To: "'Ross'" , "'Steve Laifman'" Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:13:09 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] - Model Year When I bought my '66 Tiger from Texas a few years ago, the title showed 66382**** instead of B382**** ... apparently a common practice of dealers in the 60's to 'drop' the letters and sub in the year... seems a little strange to me...but... I had to bring the car across into Canada and I knew that if the title didn't match the VIN on the car there would be bid trouble ... Not a small task, but I managed to get the Texas DMV to 'change' the Title to match the VIN...! They had to physically inspect the car... lot of hassle but they eventually re-issued the new title stating 'clerical' error or something for the discrepancy...!! Of course all this had to be done from 3000 miles away and I hadn't even seen the car yet... only pics! Got it TAC'ed last Summer, tho... ;) Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jim=island.net@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jim=island.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ross Sent: February 24, 2008 12:56 PM To: 'Steve Laifman'; 'J D Johnson' Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] - Model Year Steve, I remember in the day (60's) at least in Tennessee, Florida, and Washington, Oregon that cars were registered as the year in which they sold new. My Series IV Alpine was purchased in Tennessee new in 1965 and listed as a 1965 but it was manufactured in 1964. My MK 1 Tiger was purchased in Washington in 1967 and listed as a 67 Sunbeam Tiger. Which I am sure would confuse someone today. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse Subject: Re: [Tigers] - Model Year JD, and Tigers, The model year change in GB is different than the US (at least in CA). If a car is purchased after the US model changeover it is the later year. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com J D Johnson wrote: > I didn't think they made any '66 Alpines with metal soft top covers. > > JD > > At 09:49 AM 2/23/2008, Tom Hall wrote: > > >> At 04:12 AM 2/23/2008, you wrote: >> >>> Maybe a little steep in price??? >>> >> Looks like the very late production Alpine formerly owned by Jack and >> Ruth Bash. You are subscribed as jim@island.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Feb 24 14:22:46 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:18:31 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 70 Tom et al, I don't know what car the Bashes owned, but this one looks like a Series IV; single carb, letters over the grill, early pedals, etc. Dick I was at this shop yesterday for a club meeting and the Alpine was in a garage that was snowed in. I'll go back in the spring and try to get some pictures. As to the $14,000....the owners of the shop say it's 40,000 miles and completely original...and thus their $14,000. You have to keep in mind this shop is not used to dealing with anything as mundane as an Alpine. I counted 42 cars inside. They own about 30 or them the others are in for repairs. Of the 42 at least half were Ferraris. Then about 25% were Porsches and the remainder were Jags and other Europeans. Here is the link again to the business _http://www.rpmvt.com/sunbeam.html_ (http://www.rpmvt.com/sunbeam.html) If you read the history of the shop it's pretty interesting. I think I remember a newspaper article saying that the Ferrari Barchetta that the owner got as a young boy turned out to be extremely rare. I get the feeling that the money from this might have funded the beginnings of this operation. Anyway, today it is a first class shop with customers from 1,000 miles away shipping their Ferraris to have major overhauls done...and I get the feeling that if you have to worry about how much it will cost...you probably should be looking for another shop:-) But, very nice and down to earth people. Mark **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Feb 24 15:23:27 2008 From: "Russ Eshelman" To: , Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:25:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam (Tiger) valve cover label Thanks for the fellow-up posting Jim! I was one of those that contacted you before. Russ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:24 PM Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam (Tiger) valve cover label > Hello, > > When I bought new chrome valve covers, I realized that I'd need to find > someone or somehow to duplicate the stamping on the Sunbeam Specailties supplied > blank label. This is the Sunbeam Tiger engine label located on the > passenger side cover . It is stamped with engine (etc) information when supplied on a > new Tiger. > A fellow lister from Canada gave me a lead to someone that might do this > service and I followed up. > Several listers then contacted me about getting the fellow's name and > contact information. I waited until: > 1) I had the stamped label in hand > 2) could vouch for the quality (very, very good) > 3) ask the fellow if he wanted to be contacted by others that desired this > service. > 4) had his permission to forward contact information. This was obtained > > The gentleman involved is Larry Atkisson in Washington state > e-dress is _catkisson@aol.com_ (mailto:catkisson@aol.com) > > The transaction was quite satisfactory. > Thank you Larry. Good luck to all. > > Best to all, > > Jim Armstrong > MK 1A 382002083 > Rollright@aol.com > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duf fy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as russe@firstva.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1294 - Release Date: 2/22/2008 6:39 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Feb 24 19:56:52 2008 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: awtiger@cox.net, tigers@autox.team.net, dwoerpel@wi.net, Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:56:04 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Alpines] Messed up Series V tach Andy Try a known good tach. If it works, you know its your Tach. Dave In a message dated 2/24/2008 12:08:51 A.M. Central Standard Time, awtiger@cox.net writes: Thanks, Dave, but the loop is very small. In fact, it looks like the factory wire loop and appears to be in good shape. Thanks, Andy You are subscribed as djoh797014@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 09:37:03 2008 From: Steve Sage To: Jeffrey Nichols Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:34:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cheapest Source Yet for The Works Tiger Book I just got a reply from Collectors Car Books. I am in Arizona, USA. The book (as shown on their website) is 49.95 Pounds ($98.25 at today's exchange rate) plus 8.60 Pounds for uninsured shipping = $16.92 for a $115.17 U.S. total, or 29.10 Pounds insured, signature required shipping = $57.24 for a $155.49 total. Steve Sage Jeffrey Nichols wrote: > I don't recall if this source was mentioned for "The Works Tigers" but try > collectorscarbooks.com. The bookstore is based in the UK and has the book for > $93 shipped to your door. I haven' > t seen it listed cheaper anywhere else. The book is interesting and has > good info on the rally Tigers. There is even a photo of Lee Iacocca checking > out the Tiger along with Carrol Shelby and John Panks at the New York auto > show. One photo shows FRW667c smashed pretty badly after the 1966 Monte Carlo > rally. It looks like it rolled over a few times. The car exists and Norm's > web site http://www.rootes1.com/index.asp says it is a fake base on a > Alpine. I guess we now know how it was repaired. > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09280 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 09:44:40 2008 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: Steve Sage , Jeffrey Nichols Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:44:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cheapest Source Yet for The Works Tiger Book Steve, Must be timing with the exchange rate of the pound... I just got mine in Michigan at... Total Book Price: US$ 80.12Updated Shipping: US$ 17.72Updated Total Order Amount: US$ 97.84 It came fast than I expected. Paul > Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:34:44 -0700> From: fastsage@cox.net> To: jxnichols@sbcglobal.net> CC: tigers@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cheapest Source Yet for The Works Tiger Book> > I just got a reply from Collectors Car Books. I am in Arizona, USA. The > book (as shown on their website) is 49.95 Pounds ($98.25 at today's > exchange rate) plus 8.60 Pounds for uninsured shipping = $16.92 for a > $115.17 U.S. total, or 29.10 Pounds insured, signature required shipping > = $57.24 for a $155.49 total.> > Steve Sage> > > > Jeffrey Nichols wrote:> > I don't recall if this source was mentioned for "The Works Tigers" but try> > collectorscarbooks.com. The bookstore is based in the UK and has the book for> > $93 shipped to your door. I haven'> > t seen it listed cheaper anywhere else. The book is interesting and has> > good info on the rally Tigers. There is even a photo of Lee Iacocca checking> > out the Tiger along with Carrol Shelby and John Panks at the New York auto> > show. One photo shows FRW667c smashed pretty badly after the 1966 Monte Carlo> > rally. It looks like it rolled over a few times. The car exists and Norm's> > web site http://www.rootes1.com/index.asp says it is a fake base on a> > Alpine. I guess we now know how it was repaired. _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 10:01:28 2008 From: "Steinman, Bill" To: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:00:27 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Solenoid Howdy all: Took the Tiger out for a drive on a nice day after a several month slumber, and when the engine was turning over, I noticed that the solenoid was smoking! It stopped immediately once the key was in the "on" position as opposed to the "start" position, which makes sense (to me, at least). Still being a relative Tiger newbie, and much more of an English car guy than an American car guy, I'd love some advice on replacement solenoids. Should I be looking for the typical Lucas stuff, or was the solenoid an American item? If the latter, guidance on where to get an original style replacement would be great! Thanks so much! Bill S. 2005 Lotus Elise 1968 Triumph TR-250 1968 MGC Tourer 1966 Austin Healey 3000 Mk III 1965 Sunbeam Tiger 1959 Austin Healey 3000 www.TR-250.com Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows... NOTICE: This communication may contain privileged or other confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 10:07:45 2008 From: Carmods@aol.com To: awtiger@cox.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:07:14 EST Subject: [Tigers] Messed up Series V tach Tigers have roughly the same tach setup as Alpines, Andy, The reason that your tachometer is Indicating high RPM may be that it is set up for a 4 cylinder Alpine and I understand that you have it in an 8 cylinder Tiger. John Logan **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 10:41:26 2008 From: stubrennan@comcast.net To: "Steinman, Bill" , Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:41:09 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Solenoid The solenoid is standard old Ford stuff. Probably the same as on every mid '60's Ford made. Same as on my '64 Falcon and a friend's Maverick. I got my replacement from a local parts store, a bunch of years back. You might want to check the tightness of the battery and starter connections to the solenoid, check for corrosion on the terminals, check that the "eyes" are solidly crimped onto these wires, etc. It might be as simple as that. Stu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 11:38:15 2008 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:38:02 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Cheapest Source Yet for The Works Tiger Book - Get 'em "I just got a reply from Collectors Car Books. I am in Arizona, USA. The book (as shown on their website) is 49.95 Pounds ($98.25 at today's exchange rate) plus 8.60 Pounds for uninsured shipping = $16.92 for a $115.17 U.S. total, or 29.10 Pounds insured, signature required shipping = $57.24 for a $155.49 total." Could this be the start of "Book of Norman" markup again? Collectors Car Books had it listed for 39 UK pounds two weeks ago and now retails for 49 pounds! "Book of Norman" retailed for $56 and now sells for $800 - $1000 or more. I wonder how many copies were printed of "The Works Tigers"? Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 11:42:24 2008 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:42:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cheapest Source Yet for The Works Tiger Book - Get 'em Hey, maybe I'll order a dozen and sell them on eBay, bet I can double my money... :>) -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 1:38 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Cheapest Source Yet for The Works Tiger Book - Get 'em while you can! Could this be the start of "Book of Norman" markup again? Collectors Car Books had it listed for 39 UK pounds two weeks ago and now retails for 49 pounds! "Book of Norman" retailed for $56 and now sells for $800 - $1000 or more. I wonder how many copies were printed of "The Works Tigers"? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 12:23:00 2008 From: Tim Webster To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:18:09 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Vacuum hose Fellow Listers, Is there any hope of finding a source for yellow striped hose that runs from the intake manifold to the brake booster? I have a used one here that is serviceable but pretty ratty looking. Regards, Tim _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 12:38:27 2008 From: Tim Webster To: Peter Stanisavljevich Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:38:03 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vacuum hose Peter, I have lots of vacuum hose, that's not the problem. I need the magic stripes and I'll bet a lot of other cars do too and not just Tigers. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Stanisavljevich" To: "Tim Webster" Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:24 AM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Vacuum hose Tim, There are plenty of sources for good vacuum hoses. Just without the magic yellow stripe. ps -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+pete_stanisavljevich=coxtarget.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+pete_stanisavljevich=coxtarget.com@autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of Tim Webster Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 2:18 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Vacuum hose Fellow Listers, Is there any hope of finding a source for yellow striped hose that runs from the intake manifold to the brake booster? I have a used one here that is serviceable but pretty ratty looking. Regards, Tim You are subscribed as pete_stanisavljevich@coxtarget.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 13:07:50 2008 From: John Crawley To: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:05:11 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cat in the Cold Hi: A couple of years back my wife and I took our TIGER on our Clubs annual spring trek to Jasper National Park. We decided to go a day early and got caught in a spring snow storm at night. The police closed the mountain pass after we went through by so we were on our own with no choice but to keep going. The TIGER pushed snow so deep that it piled up over the bumper and blocked the headlights. Dee leaned out the side window with a flash light to keep us from going of the right hand edge. Low gear for 40 miles . . . passengers side first up all the hills and drivers side first down them. Yes TIGERs are terrible in the snow but PRRROWL saved our necks that night. Never again I hope . . . Godspeed Jc _________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 14:55:04 2008 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: jxnichols@sbcglobal.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:51:54 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cheapest Source Yet for The Works Tiger Book - Get 'em My copy is signed, seems to be real signature and not just a preprinted or stamped version. Are all the others signed? Fred Baum **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 15:12:29 2008 From: "Will Seay" To: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:09:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cheapest Source Yet for The Works Tiger Book - Get 'em My copy was inscribed "With best wishes Grahm Rood". Will Seay B382001570 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cheapest Source Yet for The Works Tiger Book - Get 'em while you... > My copy is signed, seems to be real signature and not just a preprinted > or > stamped version. > > Are all the others signed? > > Fred Baum _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 17:02:23 2008 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: wseay@embarqmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:02:04 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cheapest Source Yet for The Works Tiger Book - Get 'em In a message dated 2/25/2008 5:12:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, wseay@embarqmail.com writes: My copy was inscribed "With best wishes Graham Rood". Will Seay B382001570 That's what mine says as well. Fred Baum **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Feb 25 20:58:09 2008 From: Robert Bernardino To: Alvin Johnson Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:51:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cat in the cold I concur with all the comments - I did move back from north from the south but cut my teeth as a kid driving a beetle in the snow. At least the Tiger has heat. As for four wheel drive, my wife's car is an Audi A6 S-Type - real fast car with those real low profile tires. Great in the dry, but the snow... lets just say it was amusing trying to get her car out of our sloped driveway after the driveway froze over. 4 wheels spinning is exciting in deed. Rob _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Feb 26 10:40:37 2008 From: Landcmitch@aol.com To: Carmods@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:38:01 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lower Radiator Hose Spring These springs are available directly from Rainbird. I ordered the part containing the spring from them.just to see if it is possible. The part number is 202415, it costs $12.40. You get more than you need, because the part included the housing, guide sleeve and friction collars. Once the spring is removed, it fits in the lower hose perfectly, just like it was made for it. With shipping, the cost comes to just about what the whole sprinkler cost at your local hardware store. Go to this link to see it and order: _http://store.rainbird.com/shoppingv5/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=595&cat=Maxi%2DPaw+%2F+2045A+%2F+AG%2D5_ (http://store.rainbird.com/shoppingv5/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=595&cat=Maxi-Paw+/+2045A+/+AG-5) Charlie B947054 **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Feb 26 11:23:09 2008 From: "Steinman, Bill" To: , Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:11:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Solenoid Thanks Stu -- I'll poke around this weekend. I appreciate it! ******************** William B.F. Steinman Powell Goldstein LLP 901 New York Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20001 (202) 624-7292 (tel) (202) 624-7222 (fax) (301) 651-6083 (mobile) wsteinman@pogolaw.com PRIVILEGED & CONFIDENTIAL -----Original Message----- From: stubrennan@comcast.net [mailto:stubrennan@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 12:41 PM To: Steinman, Bill; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Solenoid The solenoid is standard old Ford stuff. Probably the same as on every mid '60's Ford made. Same as on my '64 Falcon and a friend's Maverick. I got my replacement from a local parts store, a bunch of years back. You might want to check the tightness of the battery and starter connections to the solenoid, check for corrosion on the terminals, check that the "eyes" are solidly crimped onto these wires, etc. It might be as simple as that. Stu NOTICE: This communication may contain privileged or other confidential information. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Feb 26 13:51:29 2008 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: , Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:51:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cheapest Source Yet for The Works Tiger Book - Get 'em My copy does not have a signature real or otherwise. It looks like yours may be a autographed copy. Congratulation! I would say autographed first edition but with print-on demand technology, first editions are a thing of the past. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: jxnichols@sbcglobal.net ; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cheapest Source Yet for The Works Tiger Book - Get 'em while you... My copy is signed, seems to be real signature and not just a preprinted or stamped version. Are all the others signed? Fred Baum ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Feb 26 14:26:20 2008 From: "Robert Jaarsma" To: Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:25:55 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Cheapest Source Yet for The Works Tiger Book Paul and others, That is exactly the price I paid two weeks ago. And it arrived within ten days from England. Robert _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Feb 26 14:55:50 2008 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:55:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers in the Snow When I first got my Tiger and used to drive it in the snow, I always thought it was pretty good. I remember I bought a set of Pirelli snow tires when I first got the Tiger and was able to get around fairly well. I recollect one day leaving work with about 6 or 8 inches of snow on the ground and heading home. The first part of the trip was fine as I was traveling on a state highway that had been plowed. However, as soon as I turned off the highway to make the last bit of the trip up and over a pretty steep hill (actually called a mountain by the locals) I discovered that the road was unplowed and I was the first car through. I made it up the hill and down the other side without spinning a tire, something most local drivers older than myself would not have attempted. On another occasion, after I was married and living in another location, I had a similar experience of having to climb the rather steep driveway up to our house and did so without incident in the Tiger. My wife arrived after me on foot and announced that she had been unable to get our Buick Skylark (with a limited slip differential) up the driveway and had left the car at the bottom of the half-mile long driveway and had walked the rest of the way. The weight distribution in a Tiger is not bad compared to a lot of contemporary rear wheel drive vehicles and that helps to some extent. Just about all the cars that I have owned since the '80's (at least the ones I drive in the snow) have been front wheel or all wheel drive because of the advantages they possess in the snow (which we have a fair amount of in NY and Maine.) Driving a Tiger in the snow is not something I would choose to do now, given the availability of my Subaru Outback or my GTI. I have always worried more about the other wingnuts on the road during a snowstorm and their ability to handle their SUV's, etc. which they seem to think are capable of suspending the laws of physics. Tod, in Maine, where it's snowing again. B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Feb 26 15:43:24 2008 From: "Curt" To: Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:43:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lower Radiator Hose Spring I always marvel at the ingenuity of some folks in finding alternative parts to make something work. How in the world did you think of this? Curt > These springs are available directly from Rainbird. I ordered the part > containing the spring from them.just to see if it is possible. The part > number is > 202415, it costs $12.40. You get more than you need, because the part > included the housing, guide sleeve and friction collars. Once the spring > is > removed, it fits in the lower hose perfectly, just like it was made for > it. With > shipping, the cost comes to just about what the whole sprinkler cost at > your > local hardware store. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Feb 26 18:44:11 2008 From: "DERRICK SCHMIDT" To: , "Curt" Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:44:30 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lower Radiator Hose Spring Can you say MacGyver? If not, I have the first season on DVD! Derrick ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Curt" Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:43:11 -0500 >I always marvel at the ingenuity of some folks in finding alternative parts >to make something work. How in the world did you think of this? > >Curt > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.starstream.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Feb 26 23:28:14 2008 From: Landcmitch@aol.com To: glowboy@starstream.net, tigers@autox.team.net, Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:27:58 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lower Radiator Hose Spring I cannot take credit for coming up with this spring. The credit belongs to John Logan who somehow saw the coincidental size between the sprinkler retraction spring and the one that needs to be in the hose. All accolades should go to him, I just did some leg work and found it on the internet. It is sort of MacGyverish, isn't it? Charlie **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Feb 27 07:02:43 2008 From: Carmods@aol.com To: choffman9@cinci.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:02:20 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lower Radiator Hose Spring <> Hi Curt, I came across the spring just by accident. While I was installing the engine in my Tiger I needed a spring but couldn't find one at the local auto stores. At the same time, one of my sprinklers needed fixing so I took it apart and lo and behold there was a nice stainless spring that fit the radiator hose. John Logan **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Feb 27 10:21:26 2008 From: "Tigerman" To: "Steinman, Bill" , , Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:21:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Solenoid I replaced the solenoid last summer on my 65 Tiger. When I went to take mine off, the nut on one of the big studs for the battery cable was frozen and the stud started spinning rather than nut. With the wires in place, I couldn't get at the nuts holding the solenoid in place (doesn't help that you have to be in the passenger compartment, and the engine compartment at the same time) Rather than doing the easy thing which would have been cutting the bolts off from the passenger side, I tried cutting the stud off that had the problem. I either had a problem where I couldn't get the right angle or I was going to cut into the cable, so I eventually settled for cutting the bracket on the solenoid with my dremel. Couldn't really see what I was doing, but I eventually got one side cut, and then with the wires I could remove out of the way, I was able to get the other bolt out of it to remove it. With it off the firewall, I had the room to carefully amputate the broken stud and get that battery cable loose. Of course I managed to cut myself a couple times on the remaining piece of the bracket that was on the firewall while I removed that remaining bolt. Those solenoids are carried by all the local part stores, I think I either said old ford solenoid, And there are a couple of guys at the parts store would have been able to just walk back and pull it off the shelf, but of course the kid at the parts counter was new and needed a car model to look it up, so I told him 65 Mustang, since I knew they were the same, it is usually easier than explaining what a Tiger is. But I did feel bad that the one I took off was an actual ford part c7XX-XXXX (technically wrong for a 65, but close) and the one I put on was an aftermarket without the ford part number on it. It is amazing, to replace the solenoid on my mustang of that era, would have been about 15 minutes as it is mounted nice and high on the inside fender well, but on the tiger, with all the problems I had, it took most of an afternoon. I guess nothing is easy on the tiger :-) Steve > The solenoid is standard old Ford stuff. Probably the same as > on every mid '60's Ford made. > Same as on my '64 Falcon and a friend's Maverick. I got my > replacement from a local parts store, a bunch of years back. > > You might want to check the tightness of the battery and starter > connections to the solenoid, check for corrosion on the terminals, check > that the "eyes" are solidly crimped onto these wires, etc. It might be > as simple as that. > > Stu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Feb 27 10:36:09 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:35:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Solenoid I've found that if you have to be in the engine compartment and the passenger footwell at the same time there are several options: 1. Get your kid to huddle in the passenger footwell and hold the wrench there. Remember to not use too much invective from the other side of the firewall... If you kid is bigger than you, you might have to be the one to get under the dash ;) 2. Use Ductape to tape the wrench to the firewall, assuming you can get it to lean against something substantial when torque is applied to the other side. 3. Clamp the passenger-compartment side fastener with Vise-grips. Again, you have to arrange things so the vise-grips jam against something substantial as you turn things from the firewall side. You can jam a piece of 1" square tubing over the end of the Vise-grip handle in order to make it catch on something further away. Make sure you set the vise-grips as tight as possible, because if it starts to slip then you'll wreck the fastener (more). Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Feb 27 15:33:12 2008 From: "Curt" To: , Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:32:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lower Radiator Hose Spring Hey that's how they invented penicillin and Ivory soap, right? I had the problem with mine many years ago and ended up just searching through trash for an old spring. Fortunately I seldom throw things away figuring there will always be a need and there was for the old rusty spring. Nice job on discovering this. I saved the site and part numbers. Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: Carmods@aol.com To: choffman9@cinci.rr.com ; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lower Radiator Hose Spring <> Hi Curt, I came across the spring just by accident. While I was installing the engine in my Tiger I needed a spring but couldn't find one at the local auto stores. At the same time, one of my sprinklers needed fixing so I took it apart and lo and behold there was a nice stainless spring that fit the radiator hose. John Logan ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Feb 27 15:36:25 2008 From: "Curt" To: Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:36:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Solenoid The changing of the solenoid on the Tiger is such an onerous job I have left one in even when I changed just about everything else. You really do need two people and be willing to pull back the carpet and the metal whatchamacallit under the carpet on the passenger side. Curt Hoffman >I replaced the solenoid last summer on my 65 Tiger. When I went to take > mine off, the nut on one of the big studs for the battery cable was frozen > and the stud started spinning rather than nut. With the wires in place, I > couldn't get at the nuts holding the solenoid in place (doesn't help that > you have to be in the passenger compartment, and the engine compartment at > the same time) > > Rather than doing the easy thing which would have been cutting the bolts > off > from the passenger side, I tried cutting the stud off that had the > problem. > I either had a problem where I couldn't get the right angle or I was going > to cut into the cable, so I eventually settled for cutting the bracket on > the solenoid with my dremel. Couldn't really see what I was doing, but I > eventually got one side cut, and then with the wires I could remove out of > the way, I was able to get the other bolt out of it to remove it. With it > off the firewall, I had the room to carefully amputate the broken stud and > get that battery cable loose. Of course I managed to cut myself a couple > times on the remaining piece of the bracket that was on the firewall while > I > removed that remaining bolt. > > Those solenoids are carried by all the local part stores, I think I either > said old ford solenoid, And there are a couple of guys at the parts store > would have been able to just walk back and pull it off the shelf, but of > course the kid at the parts counter was new and needed a car model to look > it up, so I told him 65 Mustang, since I knew they were the same, it is > usually easier than explaining what a Tiger is. But I did feel bad that > the > one I took off was an actual ford part c7XX-XXXX (technically wrong for a > 65, but close) and the one I put on was an aftermarket without the ford > part > number on it. > > It is amazing, to replace the solenoid on my mustang of that era, would > have > been about 15 minutes as it is mounted nice and high on the inside fender > well, but on the tiger, with all the problems I had, it took most of an > afternoon. I guess nothing is easy on the tiger :-) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Feb 27 20:46:51 2008 From: "Ross" To: "'Tigerman'" , "'Steinman, Bill'" Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:46:14 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Solenoid I replaced the solenoid last summer on my 65 TigerIt is amazing, to replace the solenoid on my mustang of that era, would have been about 15 minutes as it is mounted nice and high on the inside fender well, but on the tiger, with all the problems I had, it took most of an afternoon. I guess nothing is easy on the tiger :-) Steve Shifting in second is easy! (:>)This is how I look when I do it. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 28 08:45:01 2008 From: cjcoffel@sonic.net To: "Ross" Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:44:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Get Smart Preview Last night on Entertainment Tonight they showed some scenes from the new get smart movie. At the sevsn minute mark (For the show) guess what kind of car makes an entrance by bursting through some doors and flying through the air? Carnival Red never looked so good! Chris Coffel _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 28 08:50:19 2008 From: cjcoffel@sonic.net To: cjcoffel@sonic.net Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:50:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Get Smart Preview Found it. At the one minute thirty eight second mark................ http://tv.popcrunch.com/new-get-smart-trailer-preview-video/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 28 08:54:55 2008 From: Brock Tella To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:53:20 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: FW: [Members New] Two Tiger Engines 4Sale Minuteman Project, doing what our government won't do www.minutemanhq.com ? -----Original Message----- From: members-bounces@socalsaac.org [mailto:members-bounces@socalsaac.org] On Behalf Of Loya, Tony (USACAS) Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 5:02 PM To: members@socalsaac.org Subject: [Members New] Two Tiger Engines 4Sale I have two Tiger engines for sale if anyone is interested. They are both 260s. one is just the engine and the other is complete with the bell housing, top loader transmission, carburetor, distributor, starter, remote oil filter adapter, all the hard to find brass fittings on the intake manifold, and the original chrome valve covers. Both engines have the original Tiger ID tags on the valve covers. Both engines would have to be opened up and rebuilt but they are all there. The complete one looks like it has never been opened up with the correct exhaust manifolds (one Ford and one Roots). I am asking $1500 for both but will sell them individually. If I don't sell them by the end of the week they are going to the Big Three at QualComm this weekend. I have pictures if you are interested. Please contact me by return email or on my cell phone at 619-778-9887. Thank You! Tony Loya _______________________________________________ So Cal Shelby members mailing list Members@socalsaac.org http://socalsaac.org/mailman/listinfo/members_socalsaac.org _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 28 08:58:29 2008 From: To: cjcoffel@sonic.net Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:58:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Get Smart Preview Cool!!!! Does anyone know any particulars about the car they are using? Andy Walker B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX ---- cjcoffel@sonic.net wrote: > Found it. At the one minute thirty eight second mark................ > > http://tv.popcrunch.com/new-get-smart-trailer-preview-video/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as awtiger@cox.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 28 09:01:59 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: cjcoffel@sonic.net Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:02:33 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Get Smart Preview In a message dated 2/28/2008 10:50:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, cjcoffel@sonic.net writes: http://tv.popcrunch.com/new-get-smart-trailer-preview-video/ Is that an Alpine or a Tiger plowing through the building? I couldn't catch if there was a chrome strip on the side or not. M **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 28 09:02:46 2008 From: "Cullen McCann" To: Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:58:27 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Get Smart Preview Fantastic.....that looks really funny too. I do hope they don't destroy a tiger in the movie.... Found it. At the one minute thirty eight second mark................ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 28 09:02:53 2008 From: GRMTim@aol.com To: cjcoffel@sonic.net Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:03:09 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Get Smart Preview In a message dated 2/28/08 10:50:33 AM, cjcoffel@sonic.net writes: > http://tv.popcrunch.com/new-get-smart-trailer-preview-video/ > >From what I saw, it would be the car they were using, as they jumped it over a set of stairs. Not going to be muich left after that! Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 28 09:52:14 2008 From: Bob Diehl To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:50:54 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Get Smart Preview Looks like an Alpine to me. http://www.geocities.com/bobs_diehl/smart_alpine.jpg bob_diehl At 08:02 AM 2/28/2008, CoolVT@aol.com wrote: >Is that an Alpine or a Tiger plowing through the building? I couldn't catch >if there was a chrome strip on the side or not. >M -- Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: 2/28/2008 12:14 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 28 10:39:37 2008 From: Bob Diehl To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:39:01 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Get Smart Preview Sorry, I seem to have exceeded my website data transfer limits. I'll try to figure another way to display the images. bob_diehl -- Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: 2/28/2008 12:14 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 28 11:29:16 2008 From: Bob Diehl To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:18:33 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Get Smart Preview Let's see if this method will work! Still looks like an Alpine to me. http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?&conn_speed=1&collid=870667910106.620656185306.1204222135591&mode=fromsite bob_diehl -- Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: 2/28/2008 12:14 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 28 11:42:58 2008 From: Bob Diehl To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:42:35 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Get Smart Preview I apologize again. That doesn't seem to work either. bob_diehl -- Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: 2/28/2008 12:14 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 28 12:30:02 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:13:44 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Get Smart Preview Re: Maxwell Smart's car(s): In the original TV series there were at least two cars used. One was an Alpine, trimmed to look like the Tiger, and was mostly for scenes involving a machine gun under the hood. Of course we know there isn't enough room for a dead cat under our Tiger hoods. :-) As most already know, Don Adams ended up with the car after the series. He actually let his daughter drive it, eventually. http://sify.com/movies/hollywood/fullstory.php?id=14611530 I have seen the car in our area, some while ago, and it still looks pretty good. Haven't seen Andy Rooney's Tiger, but understand he still has it (from comments on 60 minutes). Looking at his desk, and hearing him, assures me he NEVER gets rid of anything. ;-) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 28 13:22:00 2008 From: cjcoffel@sonic.net To: "Steve Laifman" Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:21:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Get Smart Preview For those who have yet to see these sites....good stuff. http://www.wouldyoubelieve.com/faq.html http://home.earthlink.net/~bennybabe/index.html People ask me all the time if that's the Get Smart car. If this turns into a "Gone In Sixty Seconds" scenario, we can all use our Tigers as a retirement fund... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 28 13:28:50 2008 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: , Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:28:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Get Smart Preview God forbit that these cars become worth a whole ton of money. I will then have to sell mine. A little polite appreciation is nice for the ego, but if the car became worth say 100,000 in todays dollars I would have to sell it. It would be to tough to take out and drive around. My thoughts from the tapas place in Salamanca. Scott Hutchinson Assistant Director of Operations Netjets International Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 28 14:39:04 2008 From: "Buck Trippel" To: , "Steve Laifman" Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:38:20 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Get Smart Preview FYI, the second site, http://home.earthlink.net/~bennybabe/index.html belongs to CAT member Sue Kesler. Sue was instrumental in arranging CAT's luncheon with Don Adams shortly before he passed away. It was a wonderful event for a very special person who really loved Tigers. Continued thanks to Sue for all her efforts for the Tiger community. Buck Trippel > For those who have yet to see these sites....good stuff. > > http://www.wouldyoubelieve.com/faq.html > > http://home.earthlink.net/~bennybabe/index.html > > People ask me all the time if that's the Get Smart car. > > If this turns into a "Gone In Sixty Seconds" scenario, we can all use our _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 28 16:59:32 2008 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: BuckTrippel@Verizon.net, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:58:12 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Get Smart Preview The Transportation Coordinator on the show said it was a Alpine with Tiger moldings and badging. Cars are in LA. That shot was done in Canada. In a message dated 2/28/2008 1:39:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, BuckTrippel@Verizon.net writes: FYI, the second site, http://home.earthlink.net/~bennybabe/index.html belongs to CAT member Sue Kesler. Sue was instrumental in arranging CAT's luncheon with Don Adams shortly before he passed away. It was a wonderful event for a very special person who really loved Tigers. Continued thanks to Sue for all her efforts for the Tiger community. Buck Trippel > For those who have yet to see these sites....good stuff. > > http://www.wouldyoubelieve.com/faq.html > > http://home.earthlink.net/~bennybabe/index.html > > People ask me all the time if that's the Get Smart car. > > If this turns into a "Gone In Sixty Seconds" scenario, we can all use our You are subscribed as aaaglasss@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 28 18:34:35 2008 From: Tim Webster To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:33:23 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Front shocks Listers, Just got the front end back and it looks great. Apparently I am now required to install shock absorbers which is not in my field of expertise. I am not racing, autocrossing or leaping canyons for that matter. It is a stock car with 7/8" sway bar. I hear the Koni's are good but am looking for further input from the the collected wisdom of the List. Regards, Tim _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 28 19:19:40 2008 From: "Dan Eiland" To: , Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:02:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Get Smart Preview You can click on the moving dot and freeze the frame to get a better look. It is still hard to see the cars detail but I don't think it has the SS strip along the side. It does have the Sunbeam letters across the front of the car and it looks like the soft top cover is the hard cover. This would mean it dates before 1966 model year whatever it is. Dan Eiland ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Get Smart Preview > In a message dated 2/28/2008 10:50:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, > cjcoffel@sonic.net writes: > > http://tv.popcrunch.com/new-get-smart-trailer-preview-video/ > > > > Is that an Alpine or a Tiger plowing through the building? I couldn't > catch > if there was a chrome strip on the side or not. > M > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as deiland1@elp.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Feb 28 21:20:10 2008 From: "Steve Coleman" To: Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:11:35 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Killer Chrome Spray Kit (3-Cans) My neighbor sent me this chrome spray kit from Kustom Rides, something new if you want to experiment http://www.kustomrides.com/supplies/spray-paint-chrome-kit2.html Now you can achieve the same Mirra Chrome shine in your garage without the need for extra equipment. If you already have a glass smooth surface to paint, this is all you need (recommend topping with Speed Clear for automotive quality and durability)! Other companies use a "real" chrome process on their chrome spray caps to make it look like that's what you will get with their product. But you won't get that look. NEW: Includes Lightning Clear that cures in 1 day! With the Killer Steve Coleman 66 BS82000400 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 29 08:53:35 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:52:06 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Killer Chrome Spray Kit (3-Cans) I've finished a number of engine compartment items with "chrome" paint. What I found is that it has so much 'flake' content that it rubs off on your fingers even when dry, and then the paint is smudged. So I clearcoat it, and that turns it into a very metallic silver color (no longer 'mirror' in any sense), where the texture depends on how much and how quickly you apply the clearcoat. The only problem is if you bungle the application of the clearcoat then you may have to start back from scratch in order to get an even look, similar to how it goes with the various hammertone paints. Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 29 14:15:14 2008 From: Tim Webster To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:13:16 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Front shocks --===============1442152784== Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=windows-1250; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Ron, Thanks for the advice. Bill at CAT says they no longer have the Edelbrock shock and the company is not making them unless they receive an order for 50 sets or more. I have a note into Edelbrock asking if there are any remaining sets to be had which seems unlikely. The opinions I received seem to be evenly split between the Konis and the Edelbrock. What did the Edelbrocks sell for when they were around? Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Fraser" To: "'Tim Webster'" ; Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 7:56 AM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Front shocks Tim CAT arranged with Edelbrock to make their IAS type shocks of the Tiger. You need to be CAT member to buy from CAT and I have no idea at this time if they have any in stock. You should be able to check on CAT web site or Edelbrock's. I have a set on my Tiger and I have no complaints. Front 33880 Rear 34880 Sunbeam Specialties carries stock and Koni shocks. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.biz@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.biz@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Webster Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 8:33 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Front shocks Listers, Just got the front end back and it looks great. Apparently I am now required to install shock absorbers which is not in my field of expertise. I am not racing, autocrossing or leaping canyons for that matter. It is a stock car with 7/8" sway bar. I hear the Koni's are good but am looking for further input from the the collected wisdom of the List. Regards, Tim You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.biz Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. 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I haven't watched Carrel on his television show much but the little I did see says that he won't have what it takes to carry on. If you don't have it in real life it is hard to act it. -- Bill -- Re: Maxwell Smart's car(s): In the original TV series there were at least two cars used. One was an Alpine, trimmed to look like the Tiger, and was mostly for scenes involving a machine gun under the hood. Of course we know there isn't enough room for a dead cat under our Tiger hoods. :-) As most already know, Don Adams ended up with the car after the series. He actually let his daughter drive it, eventually. http://sify.com/movies/hollywood/fullstory.php?id=14611530 I have seen the car in our area, some while ago, and it still looks pretty good. Haven't seen Andy Rooney's Tiger, but understand he still has it (from comments on 60 minutes). Looking at his desk, and hearing him, assures me he NEVER gets rid of anything. ;-) Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 29 17:01:18 2008 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:00:31 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers, Get Smart, Steve Carell I'm not a Steve Carell fan either, and I agree with mrlau's observations. I do have to say, though, that I would like to see a trailer in the movie theater to better judge if he is right for the part. I doubt anyone can do justice to the vocal inflections Don Adams used in the role. They made the part his, much to our enjoyment. Fred Baum **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 29 17:01:36 2008 From: Stephen Waybright To: William Lau , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:01:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Get Smart Preview I can't think of a better actor for the part than Steve Carell. he has the incredibly dry wit and humor that are the core of Maxwell Smart. Have you ever watched him in a talk show interview... That's him in real life, not the disfunctional charactors he plays in "The Office" or many of his other movies. Big time actors get paid big bucks because they can act in rolls other than what they are in real life. He'll do fine so long as the script is done correctly. By the way, the Sopranos are not real gangsters. ;) --- William Lau wrote: > Is it just me or is Steve Carell the wrong guy for Maxwell Smart? > Don Adams > always had Max conduct himself as though he was principled. He did > dumb > things but always meant to be proper and above reproach. I haven't > watched > Carrel on his television show much but the little I did see says that > he > won't have what it takes to carry on. If you don't have it in real > life it > is hard to act it. -- Bill -- > > Re: Maxwell Smart's car(s): > > In the original TV series there were at least two cars used. One was > an > Alpine, trimmed to look like the Tiger, and was mostly for scenes > involving a machine gun under the hood. Of course we know there > isn't > enough room for a dead cat under our Tiger hoods. :-) > > As most already know, Don Adams ended up with the car after the > series. > He actually let his daughter drive it, eventually. > > http://sify.com/movies/hollywood/fullstory.php?id=14611530 > > I have seen the car in our area, some while ago, and it still looks > pretty good. Haven't seen Andy Rooney's Tiger, but understand he > still > has it (from comments on 60 minutes). Looking at his desk, and > hearing > him, assures me he NEVER gets rid of anything. ;-) > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as gswaybright@yahoo.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 29 17:23:37 2008 From: Tod Brown To: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:17:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Andy Rooney's Tiger Steve: While Andy Rooney may still have a Tiger, it is not the one he showed in his piece on Sixty Minutes. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/15/60minutes/rooney/main2186055.shtml That was a picture of my car, lifted, I suspect, from the New York Times web site, where I had placed it. http://collectiblecars.nytimes.com/View_Listing.asp?ListingID=COL609221 Looking at his desk and hearing him suggests that he may not be able to find his car. Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 29 17:25:22 2008 From: Bill Waite To: Stephen Waybright , William Lau Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:21:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Get Smart Preview I second Stephen's comments: I think he is perfect for the role and from the trailer I have a hunch it is going to be a big hit. It will be interesting to see if the Tiger (or Alpine?) gets a more than passing role in the film. It is really unusual that they would go back to the "original" vehicle, as the auto companies are usually willing to pay big bucks for product placement of new vehicles in current movies. Bill Waite MK I and MK II Tiger Grand Rapids, MI Stephen Waybright wrote: I can't think of a better actor for the part than Steve Carell. he has the incredibly dry wit and humor that are the core of Maxwell Smart. Have you ever watched him in a talk show interview... That's him in real life, not the disfunctional charactors he plays in "The Office" or many of his other movies. Big time actors get paid big bucks because they can act in rolls other than what they are in real life. He'll do fine so long as the script is done correctly. By the way, the Sopranos are not real gangsters. ;) --- William Lau wrote: > Is it just me or is Steve Carell the wrong guy for Maxwell Smart? > Don Adams > always had Max conduct himself as though he was principled. He did > dumb > things but always meant to be proper and above reproach. I haven't > watched > Carrel on his television show much but the little I did see says that > he > won't have what it takes to carry on. If you don't have it in real > life it > is hard to act it. -- Bill -- > > Re: Maxwell Smart's car(s): > > In the original TV series there were at least two cars used. One was > an > Alpine, trimmed to look like the Tiger, and was mostly for scenes > involving a machine gun under the hood. Of course we know there > isn't > enough room for a dead cat under our Tiger hoods. :-) > > As most already know, Don Adams ended up with the car after the > series. > He actually let his daughter drive it, eventually. > > http://sify.com/movies/hollywood/fullstory.php?id=14611530 > > I have seen the car in our area, some while ago, and it still looks > pretty good. Haven't seen Andy Rooney's Tiger, but understand he > still > has it (from comments on 60 minutes). Looking at his desk, and > hearing > him, assures me he NEVER gets rid of anything. ;-) > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as gswaybright@yahoo.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as fordlandia@sbcglobal.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 29 18:39:08 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:38:49 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Andy Rooney's Tiger Tod, This and the rest that was written about him, needs to be repeated until everyone knows about it. It shows the lack of character that Rooney really has. He acts like he is the protector of all people and he really doesn't care about people at all unless they further his wants. As far as Carell is concerned, he seems like more of a smart ass than a comedian and almost all actors are character actors. Only the very few can do several kinds of people. Even greats like Charlton Heston, Clint Eastwood, or John Wayne only did the same basic person with different costumes on in different periods of time. Anthony Hopkins or Meryl Streep come to mind as individuals who can switch characters a little bit, but a great actor or actress is typically only as great as their publicist makes them. The older I get the less I am enamored by glitz to the point where it is actually annoying because I realize it is all hype that I am being sold. Actors certainly aren't even close to what they once were. -- Bill -- Steve: While Andy Rooney may still have a Tiger, it is not the one he showed in his piece on Sixty Minutes. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/15/60minutes/rooney/main2186055.shtml That was a picture of my car, lifted, I suspect, from the New York Times web site, where I had placed it. http://collectiblecars.nytimes.com/View_Listing.asp?ListingID=COL609221 Looking at his desk and hearing him suggests that he may not be able to find his car. Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 29 18:57:49 2008 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: crabco@shaw.ca, rfraser@bluefrog.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:57:34 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Front shocks Go to TigersUnited and read my Tech Tip on making your own front shocks. Easy to do with a simple vise and a Tee Pipe fitting. Dave Johnson In a message dated 2/29/2008 3:15:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, crabco@shaw.ca writes: Ron, Thanks for the advice. Bill at CAT says they no longer have the Edelbrock shock and the company is not making them unless they receive an order for 50 sets or more. I have a note into Edelbrock asking if there are any remaining sets to be had which seems unlikely. The opinions I received seem to be evenly split between the Konis and the Edelbrock. What did the Edelbrocks sell for when they were around? Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Fraser" To: "'Tim Webster'" ; Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 7:56 AM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Front shocks Tim CAT arranged with Edelbrock to make their IAS type shocks of the Tiger. You need to be CAT member to buy from CAT and I have no idea at this time if they have any in stock. You should be able to check on CAT web site or Edelbrock's. I have a set on my Tiger and I have no complaints. Front 33880 Rear 34880 Sunbeam Specialties carries stock and Koni shocks. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.biz@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.biz@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Webster Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 8:33 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Front shocks Listers, Just got the front end back and it looks great. Apparently I am now required to install shock absorbers which is not in my field of expertise. I am not racing, autocrossing or leaping canyons for that matter. It is a stock car with 7/8" sway bar. I hear the Koni's are good but am looking for further input from the the collected wisdom of the List. Regards, Tim You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.biz Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: 2/28/2008 12:14 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: 2/28/2008 12:14 PM You are subscribed as djoh797014@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Feb 29 21:52:00 2008 From: David Sosna To: DJoh797014@aol.com Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:52:14 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Front shocks Dave: All I found was a tech tip on carpet installation. How 'bout a direct link?? Best Regards David Sosna DJoh797014@aol.com wrote: > Go to TigersUnited and read my Tech Tip on making your own front shocks. > > Easy to do with a simple vise and a Tee Pipe fitting. > > Dave Johnson _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive