From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 1 08:02:50 2008 From: spmdr@juno.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 06:59:12 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Trailering to TU Big Bear I have found HWY 38 to be the best trailer friendly route to Big Bear. It still has you climb a mountain, no getting away from it. DW _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 1 09:20:01 2008 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net, "un-cole-a@juno.com" Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:16:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Trunk Spring Covers Tim: The Serial Numbers starting with B3820..... are MkIA cars, not MkII's. The Serial Numbers for MkII's start with B3821.... I don't think any MkII's came with the spring covers. Tod B382002384LRXFE (MkIA) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:46:53 GMT From: "un-cole-a@juno.com" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk Spring Covers To: Jay_Laifman@countrywide.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Message-ID: <20080331.134653.7315.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >From the 9 replies with ID# here is the break down: B9470574 yes have covers B9470768 yes B9471362 yes B9472283 yes B382000048 yes B382000331 no covers B382001570 no B382002083 no B382002384 no I think it's safe to say all MKI Tigers had the covers. I would also guess that the early MKII Tigers came with covers. When the change happened to delete the covers I'm not sure but it would look like the first few hundred MKII Tiger may have had covers. Very interesting. Tim B9470149 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 1 09:21:18 2008 From: Tod Brown To: "un-cole-a@juno.com" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:21:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Trunk Spring Covers Tim: Sorry for the previous email. I had not read your later message when I sent it. Have you heard from Norm about this? Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 1 09:52:03 2008 From: PhastPhill@aol.com To: todbrown@roadrunner.com, tigers@autox.team.net, un-cole-a@juno.com Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:52:15 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Trunk Spring Covers My MK II is fairly org # 382100217, does not have them. Doesn't mean that it did or did not, but not on now. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 1 18:52:56 2008 From: "Craig" To: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:53:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] British car show in Louisville, Ky The featured marque of the 24th annual British Bash car show in Louisville, Ky is Austin Healey. There are 33 classes. Preregister by May 3rd and save. Check out the website photos and the online regisitration! www.britishbash.com See you in Louisville on June 6th & 7th. Thanks, British Sports Car Club of Louisville, Ky '08 Bash coordinator Craig Holmes cbhlouky@bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 1 21:25:06 2008 From: "Brent Edinger" To: "tigers" Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:20:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Booster ratio Does anyone know how much the brake booster 'boost" the pressure in the brake lines? I'm trying to do the math on master cylinders as the subject is all over the map on bore sizes. Here's a good website for figuring out brake stuff http://www.hotrodheaven.com/tech/brakes/brakes1_index.htm Brent _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 2 12:21:24 2008 From: Jay_Laifman@countrywide.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:21:46 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Booster ratio When I researched it, I learned that the one that VB sold was 1.9:1, the one SS sold was 2.3:1. The one that Lockheed recommended in response to a letter I sent them was 3.0:1. Their letter was signed by an engineer and a reviewing engineer! I don't know what the actual ones were on the cars when new. That's why I wrote Lockheed. On the back of the installation instructions on the boosters, there is a list of cars with the different boosters. It was pretty clear from the different cars that the 1.9:1 cars tended to be smaller than our cars, and the 3.0:1 tended to be bigger (Austin Healey and Jaguars). But, I don't take that to mean 2.3:1 is "just right." ====================================================================== Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in and transmitted with this communication is strictly confidential, is intended only for the use of the intended recipient, and is the property of Countrywide Financial Corporation or its affiliates and subsidiaries. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of the information contained in or transmitted with the communication or dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited by law. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately return this communication to the sender and delete the original message and any copy of it in your possession. ====================================================================== _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 2 15:00:08 2008 From: Bill Martin To: Brent Edinger , tigers Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Booster ratio --- Brent The 5 inch booster averages 1.5 times the pressure input and the 7 inch averages 2 times. On my booster tester with 500 psi on the input side and 10 in of vaccuum the output on a 5 inch booster is about 750 psi. The 7 inch booster with the same input and vacuum is about 1000 psi. Hope this helps. Bill Martin ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 2 19:04:26 2008 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:04:27 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] altenator system I am converting from from a generator to altenator, for some originality I did not use a newer single wire built in regulator unit...question: is the 15 ohm resistor part of the warning light or a separate piece?? Have not seen it in any parts lists, it's in series from the ignition circuit to the regulator, also has a relay in the circuit, that's no problem, thanks, Clyde _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 2 20:46:21 2008 From: "george" To: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 22:44:49 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Front Bumber brakets? Would any one have a Good extra set of front bumper brackets for a tiger that they would like to sell? if so please let me know as I need them. Thanks Again George _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 2 22:32:25 2008 From: "Mike Michels" To: "Tiger Email List" Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 21:33:02 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] electric fan recommendation Hello listers: Not experiencing any overheating problems but upgrading things as summer approaches. Does anybody have recommendations for make, model and size of aftermarket electric pusher fans that will fit the stock size radiator? I'm looking at the well- known available brands like Flexalite, Derale and Hayden. ALso, any opinion on the merits of three row vs four row copper cores? My radiator guy warned that if airflow at higher speeds is a concern, the very dense four row core might actually prevent adequate airflow. I already have the horn blocker plates and cross member airdam so not much more can be done to maximize flow at high speeds. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 3 06:15:17 2008 From: PhastPhill@aol.com To: mmichels@socal.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 08:14:14 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] electric fan recommendation I have the horn blocker plates and no air dam and the oil cooler removed ( MKII ). I had a rad built using my old one and a new 3 row core. I use an Edelbrock hi volume water pump and a Derale fan. With a F4B 1850 Holley, a strong cam and CAT club headers. No overheating problems, not even in town driving. It will get warmer in real slow driving, but just a few min on the open road and it's right back in the middle of the gauge, it's never puked out since I did this rad and pump. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 3 09:21:07 2008 From: John Crawley To: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:17:16 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 127 Hi: B382000221 (PRRROWL) came with one cover in one of its many boxs of parts . . . I did not put it on the car. Jc _________________________________________________________________ Enter today for your chance to win $1000 a daytoday until May 12th. Learn more at SignInAndWIN.ca http://g.msn.ca/ca55/215 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 3 12:10:08 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Mike Michels Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:10:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] electric fan recommendation Mike. My experiences with the cooling system, all of which were successful in 105 degree (and up) uphill cooling, have been documented in my article "/Cool It Buddy/" on TigersUnited.com: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp Accessible from any page in the bottom menu under "Tech Tips" Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Mike Michels wrote: > Hello listers: > > Not experiencing any overheating problems but upgrading things as summer > approaches. > > Does anybody have recommendations for make, model and size of aftermarket > electric pusher fans that will fit the stock size radiator? I'm looking at the > well- known available brands like Flexalite, Derale and Hayden. > > ALso, any opinion on the merits of three row vs four row copper cores? My > radiator guy warned that if airflow at higher speeds is a concern, the very > dense four row core might actually prevent adequate airflow. I already have > the horn blocker plates and cross member airdam so not much more can be done > to maximize flow at high speeds. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 4 13:32:24 2008 From: KJENSSEN@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net, alpines@AUTOX.TEAM.NET Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:30:59 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Seat covers Hey beamers, I am contemplating replacing the seats in my tiger. I understand Martha Wheat at Pro-Prep Interiors may have reproduction vinyl covers. Before I go for the vinyl....does anyone have any leather covers. Originally my tiger had the early MK1 seats with the wide pleats ....now I have a set of the later MKIA or MKII seats with the narrow pleats. The original seats in my tiger were really in poor shape and with the help of Doug at Tiger Auto I was able to obtain a set in better shape. Unfortunately... a seam has opened up on the drivers seat and now I need to decide either to recover, replace or repair. I may go back to the original wide pleat seats - if they are available. Thoughts and or recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks, Kirt Jenssen B9473199 Chicago, Illinois **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 4 13:50:56 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:51:18 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Instrument illumination Has anyone come up with an easy solution for improving the 2w that come with standard instrument bulbs? I searched through the archives and found much discussion on the subject, but didn't see to find a simple "plug in' solution. The Radio Shack #1487's are great for the warning lights. Mark **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 4 14:29:46 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 14:30:04 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Instrument illumination Mark, I've made up a couple of test bulbs using 3 or 6 high-brightness white LEDs, and this turned out to give significantly improved light with much less heating of the instrument. I built a one-of back-board for the tach that had an array of 6 LEDs and it was also very good. However, neither of these solutions is easy, and the tach one specifically is not 'plug-in'. The LEDs also cost me about a buck each even in a significant quantity. The cool thing, though, is that it made the instruments bright enough that a dimmer would be a useful option. I put a page about it (at least the first round) up on TigersUnited.com, http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/SmitInstLED/SmitInstLED.asp Since then I built up the ring-around-the-tach board (just as a prototype) and I have pictures of it somewhere... I just have to find it. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: April 4, 2008 1:51 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Instrument illumination Has anyone come up with an easy solution for improving the 2w that come with standard instrument bulbs? I searched through the archives and found much discussion on the subject, but didn't see to find a simple "plug in' solution. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 4 16:15:48 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: KJENSSEN@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 23:16:09 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Seat covers hi kirt, when i redid my seats last summer i had leather covers made up from a new leather hide i bought. the guy that made them up was in elgin, il - a place called 'guven custom interiors'. you can just drop off one seat or the old covers with him and he'll make them up in a few days. i sourced the leather from a place on ebay after requesting various samples and supplied guven with the hide. i can find the contact details of the place if you're interested. here are some pictures of his covers: http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/seats/jalbum.html i think the hide cost me about $120 and guven charged about $400 for the covers and the center console. i also had enough left to redo the GT door rolls. i rebuilt the seats with new cushions and straps from sunbeam specialties. the leather is much nicer than vinyl and guven did a fantastic job stitching up the covers. On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 8:30 PM, wrote: > Hey beamers, > > I am contemplating replacing the seats in my tiger. I understand Martha > Wheat at Pro-Prep Interiors may have reproduction vinyl covers. Before I go for > the vinyl....does anyone have any leather covers. > > Originally my tiger had the early MK1 seats with the wide pleats ....now I > have a set of the later MKIA or MKII seats with the narrow pleats. > > The original seats in my tiger were really in poor shape and with the help > of Doug at Tiger Auto I was able to obtain a set in better shape. > > Unfortunately... a seam has opened up on the drivers seat and now I need to > decide either to recover, replace or repair. > > I may go back to the original wide pleat seats - if they are available. > > Thoughts and or recommendations would be appreciated. > > > Thanks, > Kirt Jenssen > B9473199 > Chicago, Illinois > > > > > > > > **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 4 16:26:45 2008 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: CoolVT@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:27:06 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Instrument illumination I remember British Wiring offering replacement bulb that put out more light. I think they were led bulbs. Dave In a message dated 4/4/2008 2:51:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, CoolVT@aol.com writes: Has anyone come up with an easy solution for improving the 2w that come with standard instrument bulbs? I searched through the archives and found much discussion on the subject, but didn't see to find a simple "plug in' solution. The Radio Shack #1487's are great for the warning lights. Mark **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) You are subscribed as djoh797014@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 4 17:49:37 2008 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: , , Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 19:50:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Seat covers A list member used to (and may still) sell leather seat covers. Tim Ronak where are you? These are good looking, quality covers. I do not know which seat style was being duplicated, but I am sure Tim Ronak can answer for both style and availability. Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of KJENSSEN@aol.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 12:31 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net; alpines@AUTOX.TEAM.NET Subject: [Tigers] Seat covers Hey beamers, I am contemplating replacing the seats in my tiger. I understand Martha Wheat at Pro-Prep Interiors may have reproduction vinyl covers. Before I go for the vinyl....does anyone have any leather covers. Originally my tiger had the early MK1 seats with the wide pleats ....now I have a set of the later MKIA or MKII seats with the narrow pleats. The original seats in my tiger were really in poor shape and with the help of Doug at Tiger Auto I was able to obtain a set in better shape. Unfortunately... a seam has opened up on the drivers seat and now I need to decide either to recover, replace or repair. I may go back to the original wide pleat seats - if they are available. Thoughts and or recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks, Kirt Jenssen B9473199 Chicago, Illinois _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 4 19:40:44 2008 From: Tony McNulty To: CoolVT@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:41:02 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Instrument illumination Anyone looked at LEDs? I'm not far enough along on my resto to look into this yet, but I do intend to modernize the entire electrical system with a homemade Teflon insulated wire harness, LED lighting and a real fuse/relay setup. No point in spending all of the money to go original only to make a fiery sacrifice to the Prince of Darkness. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 3:51 PM Subject: [Tigers] Instrument illumination > Has anyone come up with an easy solution for improving the 2w that come > with standard instrument bulbs? I searched through the archives and > found much > discussion on the subject, but didn't see to find a simple "plug in' > solution. > The Radio Shack #1487's are great for the warning lights. > Mark > > > > **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bamcnulty@optonline.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 5 16:38:33 2008 From: "Fam. Jarrett" To: Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 00:37:53 +0200 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Wanted Hello Everyone I'm new to this list of Tigers. A little about me. I,m a 45 year old Australian (hence the interest in English/American cars) married to a Dane and living just north of Copenhagen. I'm not a dealer. I've always been working on a car project as a hobby (Honda S 600, Fiat Spyder)and for the past few years to keep our daily drivers on the road Eg. Citroen CX's. The taxes in Denmark on cars are 10% of the buying price overseas incl. freight insurance and harbour costs. Then add 25% VAT. Then add 180% of the value of the car on the road in Denmark. This leaves little money for anything else. Poor us :o( Vetaran cars are taxed a lot lower fortunately. :o) I'm looking for a tiger in good condition without rust problems although the car is for summer driving only. At the moment I don't have many requirements besides limited/no rust and mechanically sound. It would be nice if it came with a hardtop. I hope you can help me. Waiting in antipitation. Damon Jarrett _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 5 18:47:08 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 17:47:37 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger Tigers, I never saw a purple Tiger, I never hope to see one. I can tell you, anyhow, I'd rather see than be one! http://www.seriouswheels.com/1960-1969/1966-Sunbeam-Tiger-Hardtop-Purple-FA.htm And what is wrong with his front springs? ;-) -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 5 18:55:20 2008 From: Landcmitch@aol.com To: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 20:55:43 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger Easy...no motor. Charlie **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 5 19:53:06 2008 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 21:53:41 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger Wow, that certainly is...umm...PURPLE!!! **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 5 21:22:17 2008 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: Steve Laifman , Tiger's Den Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 23:17:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger He was going for that 50s-60s Gasser look??? Plum Crazy was a Chrylser color. I might be in the minority but it doesn't look half bad to me...but then again I was thinking of orange for my Tiger at one time....got lots of hate mail for that. Paul > Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 17:47:37 -0700> From: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com> To: tigers@autox.team.net> Subject: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger> > Tigers,> > I never saw a purple Tiger,> I never hope to see one.> I can tell you, anyhow,> I'd rather see than be one!> > http://www.seriouswheels.com/1960-1969/1966-Sunbeam-Tiger-Hardtop-Purple-FA.h tm> > And what is wrong with his front springs? ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ getintouch_042008 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 5 21:26:57 2008 From: "Richard Bruner" To: "Paul R. Breuhan" , "Steve Laifman" Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 22:27:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger Lose the straight axle and it can park in my garage anytime..... Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: "Steve Laifman" ; "Tiger's Den" Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger > He was going for that 50s-60s Gasser look??? > > Plum Crazy was a Chrylser color. > > I might be in the minority but it doesn't look half bad to me...but then > again > I was thinking of orange for my Tiger at one time....got lots of hate mail > for > that. > > Paul > >> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 17:47:37 -0700> From: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com> To: > tigers@autox.team.net> Subject: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger> > Tigers,> > I > never > saw a purple Tiger,> I never hope to see one.> I can tell you, anyhow,> > I'd > rather see than be one!> > > http://www.seriouswheels.com/1960-1969/1966-Sunbeam-Tiger-Hardtop-Purple-FA.h > tm> > And what is wrong with his front springs? ;-) > _________________________________________________________________ > Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ > getintouch_042008 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as gammaman@mokancomm.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.7/1361 - Release Date: 4/5/2008 > 7:53 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 5 22:56:49 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 21:57:08 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger What stood out to me was the Re-Bar brace on the tow hook-up. And..., a ..., not because it was purple, but "industrial." Seriously, looking at the terrain, it might be causing the drivers front to drop the way it does. At least from the angle shown it does not appear as radical on the passenger side. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 08:19:37 2008 From: Bill Waite To: Steve Laifman , Tiger's Den Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 06:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger If I had a purple Tiger, I drive it here and there, I'd drive it every day, I drive it everywhere. If someone hated purple, I'd tell 'em I don't care, It's a Sunbeam Tiger, buddy, and its really kind of rare. So, whether it is painted, purple or some other hue, It's a Sunbeam Tiger, buddy, and nothing else will do! Steve Laifman wrote: Tigers, I never saw a purple Tiger, I never hope to see one. I can tell you, anyhow, I'd rather see than be one! http://www.seriouswheels.com/1960-1969/1966-Sunbeam-Tiger-Hardtop-Purple-FA.htm And what is wrong with his front springs? ;-) -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com You are subscribed as fordlandia@sbcglobal.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 09:13:11 2008 From: drmayf To: Bill Waite Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 07:11:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger Steve, why, that poem is just puuuurrrrrrfect.. mayf Bill Waite wrote: >If I had a purple Tiger, > I drive it here and there, > > I'd drive it every day, > I drive it everywhere. > > If someone hated purple, > I'd tell 'em I don't care, > It's a Sunbeam Tiger, buddy, > and its really kind of rare. > > So, whether it is painted, > purple or some other hue, > It's a Sunbeam Tiger, buddy, > and nothing else will do! > > > > Steve Laifman wrote: > Tigers, > >I never saw a purple Tiger, >I never hope to see one. >I can tell you, anyhow, >I'd rather see than be one! > >http://www.seriouswheels.com/1960-1969/1966-Sunbeam-Tiger-Hardtop-Purple-FA.htm > >And what is wrong with his front springs? ;-) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 10:01:08 2008 From: "Will Seay" To: "Tiger List Server" Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:59:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger Geez! And they gave ma a hard time for painting my engine compartment black. - Will B382001570 ____________________________ Will Seay wseay@embarqmail.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 10:11:56 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:12:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger At least yours is painted. Mine is rapidly going from BRG to red primer color. I think I'll wax it today and try to preserve the green. Purple is better than mottled. -- Bill -- Geez! And they gave ma a hard time for painting my engine compartment black. - Will B382001570 ____________________________ Will Seay wseay@embarqmail.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 10:41:44 2008 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 11:41:55 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] COOLING SYSTEM UPGRADES I have had no real heating issues, but I have the update HD radiator, a SPAL fan, 14" that is very thin, 2" max so it mounted easily in front of radiator..I mounted it without drilling any holes, rpl'd radiator mounting bolts with studs that extend throught the radiator support allowing four brackets to support the fan, and the radiator is easier to install when supported by the studs instead of trying to hold it up in position to start the fine threads of the bolts..I wired it with a relay and fuse, installed thermostat housing #8592-3 from NPD, and installed a bmw 100 degree switch #61 31 1 364 273 in the housing, it required changing the threads to 14mm x 1.5, I used a "Time Sert" insert, it's like a heli coil only better....by using a relay you can have the auto switch and a manual switch, I put one under the dash out of sight, I also have a # FLX-1313 fan from Summit, it's quieter and lighter than the original, my original touched the steering rack under certain conditions and the motor mounts are not weak, I also have the MIL-16230 waterpump from Summit, it's made by GMB a quality Japanesse unit and lighter, I also have a set of March aluminum pulleys, #mch-1550, they run truer, slow the speed slightly...this was not an easy or inexpensive deal unless you have access/skills to machine and weld...I was able to do it by cutting the crank drive pulley on a lathe removing the measured amount and welding back together and machining the welds smooth and painting black, look original but more funtional, the usual adjustments to the waterpump/fan hub were of course required, I also have an oil cooler with I'm sure helps. Clyde McLaughlin _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 11:18:06 2008 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:17:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] new member Hi Group, I'm Clyde McLaughlin, I have already used the system and got quick answers to question on resistor specs for altenator conversion...As a new joiner here's a quick bio, I owned a series I Alpine in the mid 60's, later up graded to two '65 series I tigers I bought for $800.00 each in 1970, they came with hardtops, manuals etc...they were driven as daily transportation for two years, I then sold one to buy a '65 Shelby Gt350 for $2200.00...Aren't those prices Great!!! I kept the other tiger for awhile but my focus was toward a Cobra, that goal was never reached, the prices advanced much faster than my disposible income..I kept the GT350 until starting an Import Car repair business in 1991....Last year I purchased my present Tiger #B382001173LRXFE, it was owned and restored and shown by a Pa gentleman...It was AACA winner in 1994, and was a featured car at a Shelby Ford Connection show at the Saratoga Auto Musem in 2005...Looking forward to being a contributor, Clyde _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 11:20:09 2008 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 9:20:40 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 1965 Tiger Mark 1 For Sale I have decided to sell my Tiger. Detailed specs, 8 pages of pictures and contact info at: http://gobinkley.com/sunbeamtiger.htm Dave _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 12:06:39 2008 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 13:02:01 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger That car belongs, or belonged, to Bob Olah of Poughkipse (sp?) NY. He has shown the car on the East Coast at various shows such as Moss Motors in NJ. I believe it has a 351 in it with two 4-bbl carbs. He used to race it many years ago in auto cross events and I believe also in SCCA. Not my taste in color, but to each his own. Don't know about the large space between the top of the tire and the fender. Fred Baum 9470768 **************Planning your summer road trip? 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(http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 14:30:39 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Tiger List" Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 20:31:08 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] please vote on my thread repair decision i thought i'd throw this one at the list as i'm alway scarred of damaged threads :) as i may have mentioned before, one of the threads in my left side engine mount bracket is damaged. it turns out the thread is ok in the rear half of the casting but damaged in the first half of the hole. the stock 3" bolt does not get enough threads into the hole to torque up. my choice is: a) use a 3-1/4" bolt which will fill all the threads and does (i've tested) torque up perfectly well b) drill and tap the bracket and fit a recoil insert (i can't find a supplier of keyserts in the uk) i'm leaning to toward a) unless, in their wisdom, any listers think damaged threads can somehow spread or half the engine mount thickness is insufficient for this purpose. many thanks. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 14:43:12 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 15:43:32 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] please vote on my thread repair decision I would think that if there is room and you can get at it that you could use a longer bolt and where it pokes through put on a lockwasher and nut. It that will work it should be at least as strong as it was originally. M **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 16:02:25 2008 From: Paul R Sheahan To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Lug Nuts Tiger Owners, Many of you are taking your Tiger out of the garage for the first time this year. I would like to remind you to check your lug nuts and tighten as needed. I almost found out the hard way what happens when you ignore the lugs nuts about 3 years ago. If you lucky enough to be able to drive your car all year, it would be a great idea to check you lug nuts today. Just thought you should know. Paul Paul R Sheahan _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 17:03:13 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: CoolVT@aol.com Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 23:03:37 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] please vote on my thread repair decision the 1/4" longer bolt will not poke through by more than a fraction. the existing threads appear sufficient to hold it with this extra 1/4" inch. thanks. On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 8:43 PM, wrote: > > > I would think that if there is room and you can get at it that you could use > a longer bolt and where it pokes through put on a lockwasher and nut. It > that will work it should be at least as strong as it was originally. > M > > > ________________________________ > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 17:51:40 2008 From: drmayf To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:51:59 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] please vote on my thread repair decision Seemingly not addressed here is just how much load might be placed on these motor mounts and the three bolts holding it to the frame. It has been forever since I removed mine (pre 1974) so I don't remember if these three bolts are 5/16 or 3/8. If they are 5/16 the cross sectional area is 0.0767 sq inches. Published yeild on Grade 5 bolts is 120,000 psi and shear is taken to be 60% of that number. So shear for one bolt would be int he neighborhood of 72000 psi. That works out to be about 5500 pounds per bolt to shear it off. The notor weighs about 450 pounds per so and that is divided by two. So even with a 10 g load the max loads would be around 2250 pounds per side. And there are three bolts if I remember correctly. Plus this is a clamped joint with friction so that makes it even more conservative. So yeah, Owain, run a tap through the threads on the motor mount plate to make sure you don't bung up any more threads or a bolt and put in a bolt that will go at least flush with the through side surface. Naturally if the bolts are 3/8 inch it is even better. So put a bolt in it and don't worry about it. mayf Owain Lloyd wrote: >the 1/4" longer bolt will not poke through by more than a fraction. >the existing threads appear sufficient to hold it with this extra 1/4" >inch. > >thanks. > >On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 8:43 PM, wrote: > > >>I would think that if there is room and you can get at it that you could use >>a longer bolt and where it pokes through put on a lockwasher and nut. It >>that will work it should be at least as strong as it was originally. >>M >> >> >>________________________________ >>Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as drmayf@mayfco.com > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 18:34:25 2008 From: "Pointers" To: Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 18:34:56 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Backup light lens mount and originality My car had a single rectangular shaped reverse light mounted underside the bumper on the left side. Presume these were dealer installed to make the car street legal? Brand, Cluteroche, is stamped on the lens in a handwritten format (like Cluteroche), Made in France. One of the hard-to-describe rubber sleeved, internal threaded, lens mounts is required. I've had it off the car for years, as esthetics are better without it anyhow. Just want to know how concerned I should be about repairing/preserving this unit, and where I could get one of those lens mount thingys. Searched TU; no info. Sunbeam Specs; no info. BON describes the reverse lamp kit (round pair - page 118), but not rectangular, though there are two images (pg 13 and 62) showing cars with two rectangular units equally spaced under bumper. Gary. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 20:43:28 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 18:43:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] please vote on my thread repair decision Like Mayf, I too can't remember the mount - exactly. Is there enough room to simply drill out the threads altogether? Then, with a longer bolt just use a nut external on the mount to tighten the bolt with? Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 6 23:03:26 2008 From: Theo Smit To: Thomas Witt Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 22:15:17 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] please vote on my thread repair decision The threads in question are 3/8-24, so having 1/4" of good thread would give you six full threads. I forget what the torque spec on that mount is, but you won't be able to get anywhere near the maximum torque that the fastener would normally be rated at. The rule of thumb (from Carroll Smith, IIRC) for full strength fastener engagement is that the thread should be fully engaged over one and a half diameters, which would be 9/16". The thing you're concerned with here is vibration related fretting and having the threads eventually wear due to localized high stress. If you use the longer bolt, then loc-tite (blue) it in place so you can at least be reasonably sure it will stay there even if you can't tighten it all the way to 50 foot pounds or whatever the proper torque is. Theo Thomas Witt wrote: > Like Mayf, I too can't remember the mount - exactly. Is there enough room to > simply drill out the threads altogether? Then, with a longer bolt just use > a nut external on the mount to tighten the bolt with? > > Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 06:05:37 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Theo Smit" Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:06:02 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] please vote on my thread repair decision many thanks for all the ideas. - owain. On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 5:15 AM, Theo Smit wrote: > The threads in question are 3/8-24, so having 1/4" of good thread would > give you six full threads. I forget what the torque spec on that mount > is, but you won't be able to get anywhere near the maximum torque that > the fastener would normally be rated at. The rule of thumb (from Carroll > Smith, IIRC) for full strength fastener engagement is that the thread > should be fully engaged over one and a half diameters, which would be > 9/16". > > The thing you're concerned with here is vibration related fretting and > having the threads eventually wear due to localized high stress. If you > use the longer bolt, then loc-tite (blue) it in place so you can at > least be reasonably sure it will stay there even if you can't tighten it > all the way to 50 foot pounds or whatever the proper torque is. > > Theo > > > > Thomas Witt wrote: > > Like Mayf, I too can't remember the mount - exactly. Is there enough room to > > simply drill out the threads altogether? Then, with a longer bolt just use > > a nut external on the mount to tighten the bolt with? > > > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 07:09:59 2008 From: "Robert J. Wanty" To: Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:10:23 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Steering Rack Does anyone know of a rebuilder or parts supplier for a do it yourself rebuild? I seem to have about an 1/8 play on the right side. Bob B382001318 Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: 4/6/2008 11:12 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 10:59:25 2008 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:59:32 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] After-Market Distributor I would like to replace my original dual-point distributor (with Pertronix trigger) with a more modern unit with vacuum advance. Trouble is, the one I bought (Pertronix D130700) is just enough larger in housing diameter that it does not clear the F4B manifold. Anyone running a F4B and aftermarket distributor? Bugz _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 11:04:41 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Rense, Mark \(GE Indust, ConsInd\)" , Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:05:06 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] After-Market Distributor I have an MSD E-curve distributor, new in the box. I can check its fit on my F4B setup if you're interested. The distributor is for sale. Theo -----Original Message----- Anyone running a F4B and aftermarket distributor? Bugz _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 11:48:22 2008 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" , Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:48:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] After-Market Distributor I heard/read somewhere that the initial run of the distributors from Pertronix for SBFs had a dimensional flaw that fits the description that you have given. I suggest you contact Pertronox and see what recommendations they may have to offer. Otherwise, from my experiences, they have a very good line of products and they stand behind them. Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 9:00 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] After-Market Distributor I would like to replace my original dual-point distributor (with Pertronix trigger) with a more modern unit with vacuum advance. Trouble is, the one I bought (Pertronix D130700) is just enough larger in housing diameter that it does not clear the F4B manifold. Anyone running a F4B and aftermarket distributor? Bugz _______________________________________________ S _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 11:57:19 2008 From: "Mountjoy" To: "tiger list" Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 09:57:38 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] threads Good idea. However, if you do run a same sized tap through the existing threaded hole to clean up the existing threads make sure you use a tap designed for that purpose (cleaning up existing threads). If you use a tap intended for cutting threads in unthreaded holes it will overcut the existing threads, making them weaker than spec. BTW, there are also tools designed for cleaning up damaged threads on bolts without overcutting them. Darrell "...So yeah, Owain, run a tap through the threads on the motor mount plate to make sure you don't bung up any more threads or a bolt and put in a bolt that will go at least flush with the through side surface. Naturally if the bolts are 3/8 inch it is even better. So put a bolt in it and don't worry about it..." _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 13:44:49 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Pointers Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:45:15 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Backup light lens mount and originality Gary, While my '65 Mk I doesn't have back-up lights installed, my son's '67 Series 4 Alpine does. They are by "Lucas", and are rectangular. I have the "Original" back-up lights, in a box. These are "slash tip" exhaust style housings that look similar to slashed exhaust tips. They are shown in the TigersUnited Rootes Accessories page: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/Dealer_Accessories/DealerAccessCat.asp Thanks to David and Gary Franchi. I recommend the larger PDF, which has bigger and clearer pictures. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Pointers wrote: > My car had a single rectangular shaped reverse light mounted underside the > bumper on the left side. Presume these were dealer installed to make the car > street legal? Brand, Cluteroche, is stamped on the lens in a handwritten > format (like Cluteroche), Made in France. One of the hard-to-describe rubber > sleeved, internal threaded, lens mounts is required. I've had it off the car > for years, as esthetics are better without it anyhow. Just want to know how > concerned I should be about repairing/preserving this unit, and where I could > get one of those lens mount thingys. Searched TU; no info. Sunbeam Specs; no > info. BON describes the reverse lamp kit (round pair - page 118), but not > rectangular, though there are two images (pg 13 and 62) showing cars with two > rectangular units equally spaced under bumper. > > Gary _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 14:32:00 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:32:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] After-Market Distributor Mark, I am using it. It is the Pertronix I, and the LAT-F4B. It clears everything. On my shelf is the newer Pertronix Ignitor II (91281), and "Flamethrower II" (45001) 0.6 ohm coil. The my Pertronix I is running so well, Have little motivation to "upgrade" to my on-the shelf parts. No information on the D130700 system, but can't imagine any differences of meaning here. See: http://www.pertronix.com/prod/ig/ignitor/default.aspx I could not find a D130700 product. Mine looks like the one pictured. The installation fits very nicely inside the standard vacuum advance distributor. Perhaps the"dual point" system takes up room that the single point systems doesn't. High voltage plug wires are important. BTW: The *original* vacuum advance distributor is single point. I have had it "curved" by a shop that still has the old style distributor machine. All is well. I have heard that the "dual point" are difficult to dial-in, and not needed with the low current Pertonix. The "dual point" was meant to handle higher current standard systems. A complex dual-points solution not required with Pertronix systems, and not original. The points are no longer carrying the high current used in original designs and should not wear because there is little current switched. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) wrote: > I would like to replace my original dual-point distributor (with > Pertronix trigger) with a more modern unit with vacuum advance. Trouble > is, the one I bought (Pertronix D130700) is just enough larger in > housing diameter that it does not clear the F4B manifold. > > Anyone running a F4B and aftermarket distributor? > > Bugz _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 14:47:45 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Steve Laifman" Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:47:31 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] After-Market Distributor Steve, Mark is referring to the Pertronix Billet Distributor, not to the module that installs inside an OEM distributor. http://www.shopatron.com/product/part_number=D130700/591.0.15572.26688.2 096.0.0 Dual point distributors give extended dwell compared to single point systems, which meant (back in the sixties) that you could run the engine to higher RPM before the coil fizzled out. Because it was a performance oriented product, dual point distributors did not come with vacuum advance. Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 18:03:07 2008 From: "michael king" To: "Steve Laifman" Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:03:32 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Backup light lens mount and originality The rectangular lights are WIPAC units. The are rear mounting, the earlier style lights (exhuast tip style) were by sparto. They changed to the WIPAC's in SV alpine MKIA tiger period. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 18:12:28 2008 From: drmayf To: Mountjoy , tiger list Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:12:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] threads Yup. Sound advice. mayf Mountjoy wrote: >Good idea. However, if you do run a same sized tap through the existing >threaded hole to clean up the existing threads make sure you use a tap >designed for that purpose (cleaning up existing threads). If you use a tap >intended for cutting threads in unthreaded holes it will overcut the existing >threads, making them weaker than spec. BTW, there are also tools designed for >cleaning up damaged threads on bolts without overcutting them. > >Darrell > >"...So yeah, Owain, run a tap through the threads on the motor mount plate >to make sure you don't bung up any more threads or a bolt and put in a >bolt that will go at least flush with the through side surface. >Naturally if the bolts are 3/8 inch it is even better. So put a bolt in >it and don't worry about it..." >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as drmayf@mayfco.com > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 18:21:56 2008 From: "michael king" To: <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:22:26 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Backup light lens mount and originality Just to add some info. The spattos used on the sunbeams are slightly different to those used on other vehicles. They have a shorter lamp socket and the screws are monuted 90degrees round from some other models. The WIPCACS shopudl be patr # SAE R66. these are rear mountig with a glass lens. If anyone wants info on these lights send me an email and ill send you a PDF with what i have pics and data. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 20:37:37 2008 From: "steve wick" To: "Steve Laifman" , "Smit, Theo" Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 18:37:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] After-Market Distributor Maybe aftermarket, but some factory dual point distributors had vac. advance, such as Boss 302 and Boss 351. Just throwing it out for clarification. Steve ( in N.Id.) Because it was a performance oriented product, dual point distributors did not come with vacuum advance. Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as srwick@hotmail.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 21:32:50 2008 From: "michael king" To: Tigerlist Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:33:10 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] MKII TIGER just up for sale in Melbourne AU, this car was restored a couple of years back: http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/SUNBEAM/TIGER/details.aspx?__sid=116AF459F13B&Cr=0&__Ns=pCar_PrivateSpecialFlag_Int32|1||pCar_ImageCount_Int32|1||pCar_LastModifiedDate_DateTime|1&State=All%20States&distance=25&silo=1003&seot=0&__Nne=20&R=5559865&__N=4294962342+0+834+285+257&Make=SUNBEAM&state_id=0&trecs=2 -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 21:42:09 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: michael.s.king@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 22:41:59 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] MKII TIGER I think that car would be too nice to drive. **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 21:45:48 2008 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: michael.s.king@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 22:45:53 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] MKII TIGER Wouldn't it need a RHD conversion to register/drive in Australia? Or have the rules changed? In a message dated 4/7/2008 7:33:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, michael.s.king@gmail.com writes: http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/SUNBEAM/TIGER/details.aspx?__sid= 116AF459F13B&Cr=0&__Ns=pCar_PrivateSpecialFlag_Int32|1||pCar_ImageCount_Int32| 1||pCar_LastModifiedDate_DateTime|1&State=All%20States&distance=25&silo=1003&s eot=0&__Nne=20&R=5559865&__N=4294962342+0+834+285+257&Make=SUNBEAM&state_id=0& trecs=2 **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 21:53:13 2008 From: "michael king" To: "MWood24020@aol.com" Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:53:27 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] MKII TIGER You can reguister cars fully in AU if they are over 30 years old.. or could put it on limited classic registration. On 08/04/2008, MWood24020@aol.com wrote: > > Wouldn't it need a RHD conversion to register/drive in Australia? Or have > the rules changed? > > In a message dated 4/7/2008 7:33:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > michael.s.king@gmail.com writes: > > > http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/SUNBEAM/TIGER/details.aspx?__sid=116AF459F13B&Cr=0&__Ns=pCar_PrivateSpecialFlag_Int32|1||pCar_ImageCount_Int32|1||pCar_LastModifiedDate_DateTime|1&State=All%20States&distance=25&silo=1003&seot=0&__Nne=20&R=5559865&__N=4294962342+0+834+285+257&Make=SUNBEAM&state_id=0&trecs=2 > > > > > ------------------------------ > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides > . > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 22:30:46 2008 From: Sjhcobra1@cs.com To: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman), mark.rense@ge.com ("Rense, Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:30:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] After-Market Distributor Mark: I've been using the MSD Plug'N Play billet distributor that does not require a box; only a higher output coil on my Mk2 for about two years now and like it a lot. I tried to use the Pertronix coil, but it did not fit deep enough into the cam gear. Steve Halbrook _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 7 22:38:59 2008 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: michael.s.king@gmail.com Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 23:39:08 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] MKII TIGER I didn't know that...you learn something everyday :-) Beautiful MK II...what is it, about $120,000 U.S.? That would be quite a price for any Tiger! Mike In a message dated 4/7/2008 7:54:02 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, michael.s.king@gmail.com writes: You can reguister cars fully in AU if they are over 30 years old.. or could put it on limited classic registration. **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 04:42:12 2008 From: Jeffrey Nichols To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 02:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart's Tiger Is A Alpine! Here is the scoop on what car was used in the new Get Smart movie. They used a Alpine with Tiger trim. Actually, it was two Alpines. One was a stunt car and was banged up a bit. Maxwell retrieves the Tiger from the Smithsonian along with the shoe phone. The correct "Tiger" sound was provided by a Los Angeles Tiger. Jeff http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2008/112_0803_smarts_sunbeam _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 08:45:10 2008 From: "un-cole-a@juno.com" To: jxnichols@sbcglobal.net Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:43:18 GMT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart's Tiger Is A Alpine! Just wait until after this movie comes out, every Tom, Dick and Harry,( figure of speech ), will be selling their RARE Alpine or Tiger for a premium price. Parts are already getting ridicules, after the movie who knows what will happen. _____________________________________________________________ Get educated. Click here for Adult Education programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nNbXDV0abUUbma2g6qLJL03wZK vwAkns3LiQlXqvs75oQ0P/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 08:59:45 2008 From: "un-cole-a@juno.com" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:58:19 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Accessories Just bought the Book of Norma and have been reading it the past few days. Great info I just read the "Accessories" chapter, and was wondering how many of the accessories that were available are actually accounted for? Or should I say how many are on Tigers as of today or are sitting in someones garage or basement? Also, due to some resurgences, as small as it may be, of the Tiger and Alpine in the last few years, I wonder why no one as looked at these items to reproduce? Just some thoughts to think about. Tim B9470149 _____________________________________________________________ Compare Cell Phone Carriers- Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oHH6jwVk6DSMES1XgAlVce42Oo UCp5D8UwJuiHmSpfOvzyi/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 09:19:28 2008 From: David Sosna Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 07:19:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart's Tiger Is A Alpine! Uhh, not exactly a Tiger engine sound. When I read the article > Segal added that in trying to keep with the TV series, he has a friend > who is an editor and a big "Get Smart" fan who has a mint condition > Sunbeam Tiger in Los Angeles that had a replica of a machine gun that > raises up out of the hood, and they recorded the engine sound off her > car, to stay as close to the original car as possible. I'm pretty sure he's talking about Sue Kesler's car. She's a film editor, she lives in L.A., she's a Get Smart fanatic--and she has what looks like a perfect Tiger--but it's an Alpine with a Ford 2.8L V-6 conversion. Smitty and I swapped the engine and A4LD auto trans into the car using the Joe Rodriguez kit, and after I sold the car to Sue she painted, badged and upholstered it to look like Max's Tiger--and did an outstanding job, too! She's never tried to pass the car off as an actual Tiger, just a look-alike. So, if I'm right about whose car the engine sounds were recorded off of, what you hear isn't exactly the growl of a Tiger. :-) Mind you, the V-6 DID have a nice exhaust note. Here's a pic of Sue's car--the side pipes are a giveaway that it's a Joe Rodriguez V-6 conversion kit. http://home.earthlink.net/~bennybabe/index.html And here's a pic of her car with the machine gun. http://home.earthlink.net/~bennybabe/id1.html I painted the timing cover yellow, and used yellow spark plug wires. I'm guessing that the bit of yellow you see under the machine gun is a plug wire.... Best Regards David Sosna P.S. It's probably too much to expect that a hollywood producer is really going to know the difference between the sound of a V-6 and a V-8. P.P.S. Sue'll probably have the car at Tigers United in Big Bear this year for those that want to see it. In fact, I'm surprised she wasn't at the All-British car show in Van Nuys last weekend. Jeffrey Nichols wrote: > The correct "Tiger" sound was provided by a Los Angeles Tiger. > > Jeff > > > > http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2008/112_0803_smarts_sunbeam _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 10:08:51 2008 From: J D Johnson To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 08:09:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart's Tiger Is A Alpine! No doubt the reason she's labled the picture link on her website "My Sunbeam Tiger" JD At 07:19 AM 4/8/2008, David Sosna wrote: >...snip.. She's never tried to pass the car off as an >actual Tiger, just a look-alike...snip.. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 10:33:59 2008 From: "Cullen McCann" To: Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 10:29:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart's Tiger Is A Alpine! In the motor trend article on the net, "Segal" who sounds like either the director or producer of the movie, makes this statement about the car: ".....So unless you lifted up the hood, you would not be able to tell the difference," Segal says. "It's an exact replica. To the lay person, to the naked eye it will look like a Tiger because that's what the show had. Purists will know. The Alpine and the Tiger are the exact same except for the engine." The only part I disagree with is that the Alpine and Tiger are exactly the same other than the engine, although I would agree that's what most people think that I talk to....that the engine is the only difference. Oh well. Cullen 1452 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart's Tiger Is A Alpine! No doubt the reason she's labled the picture link on her website "My Sunbeam Tiger" JD _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 10:58:21 2008 From: "Ronak, TP \(Timothy\)" To: "Tiger News Group List" Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:58:39 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Member contact Listers, I am tabulating the data from the last Dyno day in So Cal and need to get in touch with two Cat members. Rick Johnson and Mark Thereaux. I would like some detail on their cars for the newsletter and would love for them to contact me to gather the data. I can be reached at timothy.ronak AT crna.akzonobel.com or the can call my cell (949 area code) 289 space 3357. We had a request for details on the combinations so I am trying to accommodate that request. I would like to have this pulled together by the end of the week to help Mike Michels hit his deadline. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak@crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak@cox.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 11:04:25 2008 From: "Taylor, Matthew" To: , Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:04:48 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Accessories I wonder why no one as looked at these items to reproduce? I reproduced the cigar lighter and have both lighted and regular versions available. However, I only made about 30 and am almost sold out. They have been advertised in STOA's Tiger Tracks for a while now. I made the knob out of black delrin. It is about 99% exact, so you can really only tell the difference if you hold it next to an original. The collar was made out of polished stainless and is an exact match except that it is not chrome. The lighted version comes with the correct orange ring and all have the correct Casco element. Prices below if anyone is interested. With lighted housing and orange ring: $100 With regular housing: $70 Without housing: $65 Matthew President - STOA 66 Sunbeam Tiger 65 Mustang Fastback _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 12:26:52 2008 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:27:18 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137 RE: CIGAR LIGHTERS Hello, I for one would love to see what an original "Cigar Lighter" looks like. Strange, but I'vfe always wondered.... Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 13:00:24 2008 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: , Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:00:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137...Lighters... I didn't have lighter in my car, but I bought one of these knobs on Ebay (#330224848278)...only 6 hours to go...from the same seller. Then I bought a cheap-o lighter from the local PEP Boys auto parts store for about $10....changed the knob...and Voil` (or as they say in France...there it is). The collar isn't the same but close enough for me and a non-stock car. Paul > From: Rollright@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:27:18 -0400> To: tigers@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137> > RE: CIGAR LIGHTERS> > Hello,> > I for one would love to see what an original "Cigar Lighter" looks like. > Strange, but I'vfe always wondered....> > > > Jim Armstrong> Mk 1A 382002083> LRXFE _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ instantaccess_042008 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 15:02:36 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Kirk Smith Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:02:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ammeter Kirk, Don't know about the Mk I A's, but my Mk I has all Jaeger instruments and clock, except for the 30 amp ammeter (which is Lucas, and it works! :-) ) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Kirk Smith wrote: > Several years ago I mentioned the lack of any reference to Jaeger instruments > in BON to Norm. It was sort of like Dorothy approaching the Wizard;) As I > was awaiting my flaming, Norm calmly says (paraphrase), "Oh, I forgot about > that". > > So, 'yes', Jaeger 30 for a Tiger with a generator is correct-o-mundo. > > Kirk > B382000503 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 15:11:54 2008 From: vegaslegal@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:11:13 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Red Tiger on EBAY A red Tiger is currently on E-Bay as item # 220220182604.? As I look at it, I do not doubt its originality, but have a couple of questions concerning what may be mods on the car or may be original.? I'm curious as to whether it is or is not a variation in construction.? The # on the car indicates that it is an MK1a. First, there is a data plate on the car.? I understood that MK1a's had rivets and no data plates.? Am I wrong, is this an add-on, or were there variations? Second, isn't the brake booster the wrong size? Third, the data plate says "Alpine 260" while the serial plate indicates LRXFE.? Aren't those inconsistent? Fourth, the dash appears grained.? Weren't the dashes burl? Fifth, was it these cars that had the plasticized metal ring at the shifter rather than the chrome? Thanx? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 15:19:28 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Tony Somebody Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:18:22 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] still laughing Tony, The link is: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280073620727&ru=http://motors.shop.ebay.com:80/Parts-Accessories___W0QQ_fromZR40QQ_trksidZm39QQ_nkwZ280073620727QQ_fviZ1 Due to length of address may cause part of the address not to be HOT. Use Copy/paste to allow it all to be entered into your browser. If it is all "HOT" (all colored and underlined, just click on it. If not, it is easily sent by "dragging" the address of the page to the e-mail. Or paste (280073620727) into ebay's "search" feature, to get to this site! AND look, He has springs AND boots for the trunk. His "store" address for more items is: http://stores.ebay.com/PICK-A-PART_W0QQ_trksidZp284.m184QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DDR%26its%3DS%252BI%252BSS%26itu%3DISS%252BUCI%252BSI%26otn%3D4 Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Tony Somebody wrote: > List- > Ok, maybe this person is serious and maybe he is > wasting time and money- I think he is serious- go to > Epay and using this item number(280073620727).Sorry > Ive forgotten how to send you a link, directly to the > page etc. but I promise it is worth looking at his > Beam parts and store- if you dont like his buy it now > prices, he will entertain offers.It is good he has a > picapart S4 he is parting out, I can imangine Tiger > parts near 10k for headlight retaining rings-or what > he would do witha Mk2 box of goodies. Enjoy the look > and hey, maybe you will see something you just have to > have- RIGHT lol. TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 15:26:53 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Bill Waite Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:27:13 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine Wheels Bill, Please do NOT use Alpine wheels on a Tiger. Although they may "fit", the center section stamping is thinner than the Tiger, and could fail under loads. The wire wheels suffer the same lack of strength on the heavier power and more weight of the Tiger. The early Triumph TR4's could not be sanctioned raced without hub plates, as their wheels would fail. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Bill Waite wrote: > What's he know that we don't know? Has there been a run on Alpine wheels? > > Somebody should have the guy look at the other Alpine wheel auction on eBay now: item number 280211411331. That auction offers three of those "valuable" and scarce wheels, no reserve... at $19.95. > > Bill _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 15:47:15 2008 From: "Jim D'Amelio" To: Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:47:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] still laughing Who is this guy? I sure hope someone new to the marque doesn't get suckered in. Think I'll jump on the set of used Sunbeam letters with broken tabs and missing the "M" for $100!!!! Jim D -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jimdamelio=cox.net@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jimdamelio=coox.net@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Steve Laifman Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 4:18 PM To: Tony Somebody Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] still laughing Tony, The link is: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280073620727&r u=http://motors.shop.ebay.com:80/Parts-Accessories___W0QQ_fromZR40QQ_trksidZ m39QQ_nkwZ280073620727QQ_fviZ1 Due to length of address may cause part of the address not to be HOT. Use Copy/paste to allow it all to be entered into your browser. If it is all "HOT" (all colored and underlined, just click on it. If not, it is easily sent by "dragging" the address of the page to the e-mail. Or paste (280073620727) into ebay's "search" feature, to get to this site! AND look, He has springs AND boots for the trunk. His "store" address for more items is: http://stores.ebay.com/PICK-A-PART_W0QQ_trksidZp284.m184QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DD R%26its%3DS%252BI%252BSS%26itu%3DISS%252BUCI%252BSI%26otn%3D4 Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 16:02:58 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:02:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] still laughing Does the valve stem cap come with the wheel for $249.99 or is it extra. The missing "M" is what makes it so cheap. If he had that and it was a complete set (with all tabs broken) it would be much more. --Bill -- Who is this guy? I sure hope someone new to the marque doesn't get suckered in. Think I'll jump on the set of used Sunbeam letters with broken tabs and missing the "M" for $100!!!! Jim D _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 16:31:27 2008 From: "Cullen McCann" To: "Steve Laifman" , "Tony Somebody" Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:44:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] still laughing I agree that price is obviously ridiculous, but there is another side to this coin. It kinda reminds me of every time a set of "Buddy Bar Tiger powered by ford valve covers" go up for auction, and we've discussed this before I think. You can buy a brand new set of the same casting, in stock for 230 bucks at SS, but they will sell on ePay for 450 bucks a pair every time. The point is that I think this guy is hoping to sell this wheel at an outrageous price simply by convincing some unexpecting fool that it really is so rare, that it must be the find of a century. Obviously we all know the difference, but what if he were to sell it? He would make 250 bucks an laugh all the way to the bank... as they say. Now I wouldnt do that, because I have to sleep at night, but I'll bet he doesn't think its worth that, he's just hoping to sell it to someone who doesn't know the difference. Not trying to defend him, because I think he's an idiot, but it is a free country and I just pity the fool who gets reeled into his scheme. Unfortunately, if one of us posted a headlight on there, and at no buy it now and it bid all the way up to 450 bucks, nobody would complain, we ( I ) would be thrilled....Id be looking in the shop for more headlights....but when someone tries to sell something at this high price from the start we consider it dishonest. I'm basically playing devils advocate....thinkin out loud. The one thing I will say is this seller isn't too bright because he posted the questions of everyone accusing him of misleading his auction viewers. That's not helping his case at all and he doesn't have to show the questions and responses. Kinda makes him look stupid. Cullen 1452 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 16:40:53 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:41:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] still laughing Too bad that the tire is unusable. Had the seller been able to claim that it had "factory air" the value might have made it an even exchange for TBON. :-) Tom P.S. Just so no one gets the wrong idea, - I am only kidding. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 16:54:47 2008 From: "Jim D'Amelio" To: Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:55:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Accessories I have uploaded pictures of a NOS Rootes cigarette lighter I have. Sorry, it's not for sale. Jim D http://www.sunbeamtiger.net/images/CigarLighter-001.jpg http://www.sunbeamtiger.net/images/CigarLighter-002.jpg http://www.sunbeamtiger.net/images/CigarLighter-003.jpg -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jimdamelio=cox.net@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jimdamelio=cox.net@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Taylor, Matthew Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:05 PM To: un-cole-a@juno.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Accessories I wonder why no one as looked at these items to reproduce? I reproduced the cigar lighter and have both lighted and regular versions available. However, I only made about 30 and am almost sold out. They have been advertised in STOA's Tiger Tracks for a while now. I made the knob out of black delrin. It is about 99% exact, so you can really only tell the difference if you hold it next to an original. The collar was made out of polished stainless and is an exact match except that it is not chrome. The lighted version comes with the correct orange ring and all have the correct Casco element. Prices below if anyone is interested. With lighted housing and orange ring: $100 With regular housing: $70 Without housing: $65 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 17:01:04 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:01:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Red Tiger on EBAY Most of those things are superficial as to the authenticity, but I believe you are correct in your assessment. The car is only about 10 miles from where I live in Thousand Oaks and Jay Laifman is a whole lot closer (not that I'm asking Jay). The sellers feedback is on the low side at 93.7% (for Ebay). While that might not seem like much, from my perspective I get leery if a seller get into 98%. Most good Ebayers are in the 99%-100% range. I guess none of those things should keep it from being a decent buy. Like any Tiger purchase investigate, beware and know what your buying. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 17:42:09 2008 From: "Mountjoy" To: "tiger list" Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:42:19 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Upcoming TU Listers, Sorry to bomb the list but TU XXXI Bulletin #6 has just come out and has some important information on it. First, the cutoff date with the hotel to get our room rate is April 23. Second, the cutoff date for early registration is May 1st. Registrations received after that date will take a $20. hit. Third, the Bulletin referrs to Bulletin #5 that advises if towing to TU not to take Hwy 18. Hwy 38 or Hwy 30 are much better choices. For more information please see the CAT web site at http://www.catmbr.org/Events1.htm . It should be posted there soon. Thanks, Darrell _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 17:42:35 2008 From: David Sosna To: "tiger list" Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:43:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart's Tiger Is A Alpine! Well, JD, you could have a point there. Or, you could interpret the captions around the photo that the link leads to: > */Would you believe this is Maxwell Smart's car?.../* > */...would you believe a replica? This is my beautiful 1965 Sunbeam > and it was restored to show quality in 2002 to look just like Max's > Tiger. The paint was matched with the same code as the 1965 Carnival > Red, new "Tiger" interior, carpet chrome and machine gun under hood/* to mean that she's not claiming it's a Tiger. I'd prefer to believe the latter, but then, I've met the lady and I'd like to believe the best of her. Best Regards David P.S. Now, if she tries to SELL it as a Tiger, that'd be a different story :-) P.P.S. But she hasn't. P.P.P.S. Yet. J D Johnson wrote: > No doubt the reason she's labled the picture link on her website "My > Sunbeam Tiger" > > JD > > At 07:19 AM 4/8/2008, David Sosna wrote: > >> ...snip.. She's never tried to pass the car off as an >> actual Tiger, just a look-alike...snip.. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 17:58:13 2008 From: Stephen Waybright To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart's Tiger Is A Alpine! Of course after the movie comes out, she can probably get top dollar by selling it for what it is.. probably the best replica of the Get Smart car available, especially since Alpines were used in shooting both the TV show and the new movie. You may even see more Alpine conversions take that path since it will yeild a better return on investment than the cost and effort to build a convincing Tiger conversion from an Alpine (Think General Lee Chargers). Look for Alpine values to bump after the movie as well. Remember, you read it hear first. ;) Stephen Waybright --- David Sosna wrote: > P.S. Now, if she tries to SELL it as a Tiger, that'd be a different > story :-) > P.P.S. But she hasn't. > P.P.P.S. Yet. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 18:14:53 2008 From: "michael king" To: "Thomas Witt" Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 09:14:59 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Red Tiger on EBAY I elmaied the seller about that car whe it first came up.. asking about the JAL number. There is NO JAL ID for the car, and having shelby sign it doesnt make it real either.. might be worth doing some digging on the history if you are looking at it. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 18:36:05 2008 From: vegaslegal@aol.com To: michael.s.king@gmail.com Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:36:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Red Tiger on EBAY Might be a misunderstanding.? I am not looking at it.? I have an MK1a, and am pretty much checking the originality of the items discussed. -----Original Message----- From: michael king To: Thomas Witt Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 4:14 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] Red Tiger on EBAY I elmaied the seller about that car whe it first came up.. asking about the JAL number. There is NO JAL ID for the car, and having shelby sign it doesnt make it real either.. might be worth doing some digging on the history if you are looking at it. -- Regards Michael King You are subscribed as vegaslegal@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 19:22:10 2008 From: "Kirk Smith" To: Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:21:56 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Jaeger clock Steve- Don't say "Jaeger clock" too loud;) Kirk. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 20:46:15 2008 From: "Ross" To: "'Cullen McCann'" , "'Steve Laifman'" Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:46:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] still laughing Cullen, Did you notice his eBay handle? High IQ in NY! I just knew someone with this much ego had to be a left coaster. ;>) Ross I agree that price is obviously ridiculous, but there is another side to this coin. It kinda reminds me of every time a set of "Buddy Bar Tiger powered by ford valve covers" go up for auction, and we've discussed this before I think. You can buy a brand new set of the same casting, in stock for 230 bucks at SS, but they will sell on ePay for 450 bucks a pair every time. The point is that I think this guy is hoping to sell this wheel at an outrageous price simply by convincing some unexpecting fool that it really is so rare, that it must be the find of a century. Obviously we all know the difference, but what if he were to sell it? He would make 250 bucks an laugh all the way to the bank... as they say. Now I wouldnt do that, because I have to sleep at night, but I'll bet he doesn't think its worth that, he's just hoping to sell it to someone who doesn't know the difference. Not trying to defend him, because I think he's an idiot, but it is a free country and I just pity the fool who gets reeled into his scheme. Unfortunately, if one of us posted a headlight on there, and at no buy it now and it bid all the way up to 450 bucks, nobody would complain, we ( I ) would be thrilled....Id be looking in the shop for more headlights....but when someone tries to sell something at this high price from the start we consider it dishonest. I'm basically playing devils advocate....thinkin out loud. The one thing I will say is this seller isn't too bright because he posted the questions of everyone accusing him of misleading his auction viewers. That's not helping his case at all and he doesn't have to show the questions and responses. Kinda makes him look stupid. Cullen _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 8 22:31:39 2008 From: Jeffrey Nichols To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 20:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Barret Jackson Money for a Tiger Check out this link for a Australian Tiger MK II @ $129,950 Some serious money is asked for this car. Must have been a import because it is a left hand drive. http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/SUNBEAM/private-results.aspx?State=All%20States&N=4294962342+0+834+285+257&Make=SUNBEAM&distance=25&state_id=0 Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 9 08:06:51 2008 From: "Cullen McCann" To: "Ross" Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 08:02:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] still laughing Ross, "Highiqinny"....I didn't make the connection at first but your exactly right....thats hilarious! I agree...that figures....left coast, east coast....I know what you mean. Dude's kinda high on himself I think. I'm impressed you figured that out, looked like jibberish to me at first...you must be really good at crossword puzzles and stuff. ;>} C Cullen, Did you notice his eBay handle? High IQ in NY! I just knew someone with this much ego had to be a left coaster. ;>) Ross _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 9 12:34:25 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Tiger List" Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:34:38 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] engine mount alignment does anyone have any tricks for getting the engine into the right place to bolt up the mounts? i've just changed the mounts but the engine is sitting about 1/2" too far back for the bolts to go through the mount into the block. i don't seem to be able to budge it and there isn't and easy place to insert a bottle jack between the engine and the frame. thanks! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 9 12:38:31 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , "Tiger List" Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:38:47 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine mount alignment Make sure you have the mounts each on the proper side. If they're the good ones, then there will be about 1/2" difference between the front/back alignment depending on which mount you have on which side. The engine is supposed to be in the more-rearward position. Other tips for aligning the mounts (or, for that matter, aligning anything in the engine bay) involve language that is not appropriate for this mailing list... Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: April 9, 2008 11:35 AM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] engine mount alignment does anyone have any tricks for getting the engine into the right place to bolt up the mounts? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 9 12:47:33 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Smit, Theo" Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:47:58 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine mount alignment yes, they're the right way around. the old mounts had oval holes which were more forgiving and I suppose there is a little tension in the drivetrain as I had similar issues changing the rear springs and had to jack the axle backwards. On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > Make sure you have the mounts each on the proper side. If they're the > good ones, then there will be about 1/2" difference between the > front/back alignment depending on which mount you have on which side. > The engine is supposed to be in the more-rearward position. > > Other tips for aligning the mounts (or, for that matter, aligning > anything in the engine bay) involve language that is not appropriate for > this mailing list... > Theo > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Owain Lloyd > Sent: April 9, 2008 11:35 AM > To: Tiger List > Subject: [Tigers] engine mount alignment > > does anyone have any tricks for getting the engine into the right > place to bolt up the mounts? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 9 12:49:47 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:50:11 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine mount alignment In that case, the transmission mount is slotted, so that it will accommodate some fore/aft adjustment of the engine/transmission assembly. Try loosening off the nuts that hold the transmission mount rubber isolator to the trans mount crossmember. Good luck, Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: April 9, 2008 11:48 AM To: Smit, Theo Cc: Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine mount alignment yes, they're the right way around. the old mounts had oval holes which were more forgiving and I suppose there is a little tension in the drivetrain as I had similar issues changing the rear springs and had to jack the axle backwards. On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > Make sure you have the mounts each on the proper side. If they're the > good ones, then there will be about 1/2" difference between the > front/back alignment depending on which mount you have on which side. > The engine is supposed to be in the more-rearward position. > > Other tips for aligning the mounts (or, for that matter, aligning > anything in the engine bay) involve language that is not appropriate for > this mailing list... > Theo > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Owain Lloyd > Sent: April 9, 2008 11:35 AM > To: Tiger List > Subject: [Tigers] engine mount alignment > > does anyone have any tricks for getting the engine into the right > place to bolt up the mounts? You are subscribed as theo.smit@dynastream.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 9 12:52:24 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Smit, Theo" Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:52:51 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine mount alignment good idea. i'll give that a go. thanks. On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > In that case, the transmission mount is slotted, so that it will > accommodate some fore/aft adjustment of the engine/transmission > assembly. Try loosening off the nuts that hold the transmission mount > rubber isolator to the trans mount crossmember. > > Good luck, > > Theo > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Owain Lloyd > > > Sent: April 9, 2008 11:48 AM > To: Smit, Theo > Cc: Tiger List > Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine mount alignment > > yes, they're the right way around. > > the old mounts had oval holes which were more forgiving and I suppose > there is a little tension in the drivetrain as I had similar issues > changing the rear springs and had to jack the axle backwards. > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Smit, Theo > wrote: > > Make sure you have the mounts each on the proper side. If they're the > > good ones, then there will be about 1/2" difference between the > > front/back alignment depending on which mount you have on which side. > > The engine is supposed to be in the more-rearward position. > > > > Other tips for aligning the mounts (or, for that matter, aligning > > anything in the engine bay) involve language that is not appropriate > for > > this mailing list... > > Theo > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net > > [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of Owain Lloyd > > Sent: April 9, 2008 11:35 AM > > To: Tiger List > > Subject: [Tigers] engine mount alignment > > > > does anyone have any tricks for getting the engine into the right > > place to bolt up the mounts? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as theo.smit@dynastream.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 9 12:55:19 2008 From: "un-cole-a@juno.com" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 17:54:36 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Washer pump I read in the BON that one of the stock options for Tigers and Alpines was an "Electric Windshield Washer Pump". Has anyone seen one of these? Does anyone have one of these pumps. It looked like it had a glass fluid bottle, just wondering where and how they were hooked -up. Tim _____________________________________________________________ Click here to find all of your computer accessories for less! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m9eM6uDyLG1P259Cd2R6vABoEf QOheM9tkiNTutQlxZVSWu/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 9 12:56:02 2008 From: "R Smith" To: , Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:57:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine mount alignment Did you tighten the mounts yet? If so, by loosening them some, it will allow you a bit of "wiggle" room. Also - consider loosening the 3-bolts that pass through the inner-fenders into the mounting bracket a little as well. In addition, make sure you don't have the mounts backwards... That can reposition the motor some. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Tiger List" Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: [Tigers] engine mount alignment > does anyone have any tricks for getting the engine into the right > place to bolt up the mounts? > > i've just changed the mounts but the engine is sitting about 1/2" too > far back for the bolts to go through the mount into the block. > i don't seem to be able to budge it and there isn't and easy place to > insert a bottle jack between the engine and the frame. > > thanks! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 9 12:59:03 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Smit, Theo" Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:59:34 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine mount alignment actually, are you sure it should be in the rearward position? i put the one marked 'L' (by SS) in the left side and it matched the one i removed but it has the engine in the more forward position. i think it would be more that half an inch difference too. On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > good idea. i'll give that a go. thanks. > > > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > > In that case, the transmission mount is slotted, so that it will > > accommodate some fore/aft adjustment of the engine/transmission > > assembly. Try loosening off the nuts that hold the transmission mount > > rubber isolator to the trans mount crossmember. > > > > Good luck, > > > > Theo > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net > > [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of Owain Lloyd > > > > > > Sent: April 9, 2008 11:48 AM > > To: Smit, Theo > > Cc: Tiger List > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine mount alignment > > > > yes, they're the right way around. > > > > the old mounts had oval holes which were more forgiving and I suppose > > there is a little tension in the drivetrain as I had similar issues > > changing the rear springs and had to jack the axle backwards. > > > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Smit, Theo > > wrote: > > > Make sure you have the mounts each on the proper side. If they're the > > > good ones, then there will be about 1/2" difference between the > > > front/back alignment depending on which mount you have on which side. > > > The engine is supposed to be in the more-rearward position. > > > > > > Other tips for aligning the mounts (or, for that matter, aligning > > > anything in the engine bay) involve language that is not appropriate > > for > > > this mailing list... > > > Theo > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net > > > [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On > > > Behalf Of Owain Lloyd > > > Sent: April 9, 2008 11:35 AM > > > To: Tiger List > > > Subject: [Tigers] engine mount alignment > > > > > > does anyone have any tricks for getting the engine into the right > > > place to bolt up the mounts? > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as theo.smit@dynastream.com > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 9 17:59:45 2008 From: David Sosna To: "healeys" Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:00:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bad News... Mayf: I'm sorry--I was looking forward to seeing you and the B-ville car. Best of luck with all the stuff you've got going on! David drmayf wrote: > Not to dance around it, my wife and I will not make it to the Tigers > United this year. Bummer. The Bonneville car is not ready for the > summers activities at Bonneville, the Tiger is not out of the paint > shop, we have an unexpected family reunion in Texas in June that we > really need to attend, and Cathy has some elective surgery she needs to > have done. I know there were a number of you coming to the TU to see > the car, but somehow I will make it up to you. Yeah, I know that the TU > is still about 10 weeks away, but I wont be able to afford the time or > the expense. > > So...I am sorry. I thank those who invited me to come because it was > going to be a hoot for me. But just not gonna happen this year. But the > bright side is that there will be a pile of nifty race and race related > vehciles to examine! > > Ya'll have fun. I will be releasing teh room reservations today. > > mayf > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 10 10:53:43 2008 From: "Alan Zeni" To: "tiger" Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:53:15 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Engine Removal I've got everything disconnected from the motor/tranny and am ready to pull the pair. Unfortunately, I don't have the means to drop them out the bottom so, according the the shop manual, I need to remove the steering rack. Now, looking in the engine bay, it looks as though that when I drop the rear of the tranny, the damper pully will clear the rack easily. Has anyone done this? And, where are the suggested mount points for the chain? Thanks in advance! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 10 11:23:33 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:23:39 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Engine Removal Alan, If you have the height it is good to have one of the devices that transfer the load from the front to the back so you can have better balance. If you don't have the height the best bet is to go across the top of the engine with chain and a bolt in each head end. That way you have shear strength instead of pulling straight from the top. If I remember all of the bolts in the top are 5/16 and the head front and rears are 3/8 also. It is harder to control with the chain and it might require some strength to shift it on the hook but often height limitations require you to do it this way. I don't think the standard engine crane will lift it high enough to get engine and tranny at one time and those fenders keep looking at the back of the transmission when it is tipped just waiting to make contact. Engine parts love paint and the bigger they are the more they love it. Perhaps someone else on the list has gotten away with it and can chime in. Another option is to take both out partially and then disconnect the bell housing making sure of course to put a jack under the transmission. This is the only way I have ever done it because my garage is only 9' 2". I don't remember removing the rack or taking the harmonic balancer off but it has been a while. Even taking the front of the engine off might be easier than removing the rack and it has to come off anyway. -- Bill -- I've got everything disconnected from the motor/tranny and am ready to pull the pair. Unfortunately, I don't have the means to drop them out the bottom so, according the the shop manual, I need to remove the steering rack. Now, looking in the engine bay, it looks as though that when I drop the rear of the tranny, the damper pully will clear the rack easily. Has anyone done this? And, where are the suggested mount points for the chain? Thanks in advance! _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 10 12:37:46 2008 From: "Stephen Jones" To: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:38:12 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] March Motor Sport I have been searching for the March issue of Motor Sports. Seems to be sold out in the US according to the distributor. I have however conversed with the UK distributor and it is possible to order directly from him. Here is his reply to my request: Yes, the Tiger article is in the March issue. We have about 40 spare in the office. The cost of each copy is #4.95 + p&p (#3.55 to the US) Best Will will.delmont@chelseamagazines.com If someone orders a batch we could probably save some on the postage. Does anyone want to volunteer to order a batch and then distribute from here, one of the clubs possibly? If so put me on the list for one. Also the March issue of Classic and Sportscar there is a great interview with Don Tarbun who was Chief Development Engineer for Rootes and played a large role in the Tiger. To quote from the STOC site "He and his team must have driven those MKI 'AF' Tigers many thousands of miles between December 1963 and June 1964. He does say though that his favourite Rootes vehicle was the one off Humber Sceptre fitted with Chrysler's 4.4 litre V8 - "the best Q car ever on the roads of Britain". steve jones B9470867 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 10 14:18:02 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Alan Zeni Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:18:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Removal Alan, and Tigers, There are resources available to you concerning the Tiger Maintenance on TigersUnited.com . Specifically the Workshop Manual describes the factory recommended procedures for most any task. On "Engine R&R" the applicable page is: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmB53.asp Fig. 86. shows the recommended hoisting procedure (provided you have a Rootes Factory hook height :-( There are loads of Rootes info in this document, which is available from Sunbeam Specialties (and thanks to Rick for his reproduction permission.) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - *TigersUnited.com * Alan Zeni wrote: > I've got everything disconnected from the motor/tranny and am ready to pull > the pair. Unfortunately, I don't have the means to drop them out the bottom > so, according the the shop manual, I need to remove the steering rack. Now, > looking in the engine bay, it looks as though that when I drop the rear of the > tranny, the damper pully will clear the rack easily. Has anyone done this? > And, where are the suggested mount points for the chain? > > Thanks in advance! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 10 15:06:56 2008 From: "Ronak, TP \(Timothy\)" To: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:07:11 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Engine removal Alan, I pulled mine out the top with the trans attached. You need to remove the water pump, lower crank pully and I used a winching strap wrapped around the balancer and up over the crane arm. I had the chain through either manifold bolts or with the carb lifting plate that bolts to the intake. Tighten the strap to increase angle and loosen to decrease angle. It worked awesome for me. I have picks for those that are doubters that it can be done. I did NOT remove the rack or the exhaust manifolds. For the install I had the headers laying in the bay and dropped the engine back in with people holding each header. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak@crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak@cox.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 10 15:17:51 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Steve Laifman" Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:14:46 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Removal wouldn't it be easier to remove the crossmember, jack-up/hang the body and drop the engine/trans onto a sturdy crawler? On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Steve Laifman wrote: > Alan, and Tigers, > > There are resources available to you concerning the Tiger Maintenance on > TigersUnited.com . Specifically the > Workshop Manual describes the factory recommended procedures for most > any task. On "Engine R&R" the applicable page is: > > http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmB53.asp Fig. 86. shows the > recommended hoisting procedure (provided you have a Rootes Factory hook > height :-( > > There are loads of Rootes info in this document, which is available from > Sunbeam Specialties (and thanks to Rick for his reproduction permission.) > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - *TigersUnited.com * > > > > > > Alan Zeni wrote: > > I've got everything disconnected from the motor/tranny and am ready to pull > > the pair. Unfortunately, I don't have the means to drop them out the bottom > > so, according the the shop manual, I need to remove the steering rack. Now, > > looking in the engine bay, it looks as though that when I drop the rear of the > > tranny, the damper pully will clear the rack easily. Has anyone done this? > > And, where are the suggested mount points for the chain? > > > > Thanks in advance! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 10 15:40:01 2008 From: Bill Waite To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com, Steve Laifman Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Removal I've pulled and reinstalled engines in Tigers on two separate occasions. Both times I dropped the crossmember , hoisted body up and lowered engine in the manner Owain has suggested. Never an issue... installed with headers attached in same manner. Tight (like everything on a Tiger) but very do-able. In fact, did it both times solo (although it would have been nice to have help at times). Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI Owain Lloyd wrote: wouldn't it be easier to remove the crossmember, jack-up/hang the body and drop the engine/trans onto a sturdy crawler? On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Steve Laifman wrote: > Alan, and Tigers, > > There are resources available to you concerning the Tiger Maintenance on > TigersUnited.com . Specifically the > Workshop Manual describes the factory recommended procedures for most > any task. On "Engine R&R" the applicable page is: > > http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmB53.asp Fig. 86. shows the > recommended hoisting procedure (provided you have a Rootes Factory hook > height :-( > > There are loads of Rootes info in this document, which is available from > Sunbeam Specialties (and thanks to Rick for his reproduction permission.) > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - *TigersUnited.com * > > > > > > Alan Zeni wrote: > > I've got everything disconnected from the motor/tranny and am ready to pull > > the pair. Unfortunately, I don't have the means to drop them out the bottom > > so, according the the shop manual, I need to remove the steering rack. Now, > > looking in the engine bay, it looks as though that when I drop the rear of the > > tranny, the damper pully will clear the rack easily. Has anyone done this? > > And, where are the suggested mount points for the chain? > > > > Thanks in advance! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as fordlandia@sbcglobal.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 10 17:20:59 2008 From: "Stephen Jones" To: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:21:08 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] March Motor Sport II I guess it is still at Borders, that is certainly easier. steve jones B9470867 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 10 19:48:00 2008 From: Tony McNulty To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com, Steve Laifman Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:48:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Removal I believe that's the way I'm going to do it -- taking the engine and tranny out is one thing, with a ding here and there, but putting it all back after having spent a King's ransom on preparation and painting seems a bit scary. I'll go from the bottom, as I feel that it's easier to control. I have a hydraulic engine lift, but will invent a way to use it to lift the body up. If anyone's done this before, I'd appreciate any advice/comment. Tony M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Steve Laifman" Cc: "tiger" Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Removal > wouldn't it be easier to remove the crossmember, jack-up/hang the body > and drop the engine/trans onto a sturdy crawler? > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Steve Laifman > wrote: >> Alan, and Tigers, >> >> There are resources available to you concerning the Tiger Maintenance on >> TigersUnited.com . Specifically the >> Workshop Manual describes the factory recommended procedures for most >> any task. On "Engine R&R" the applicable page is: >> >> http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmB53.asp Fig. 86. shows the >> recommended hoisting procedure (provided you have a Rootes Factory hook >> height :-( >> >> There are loads of Rootes info in this document, which is available from >> Sunbeam Specialties (and thanks to Rick for his reproduction >> permission.) >> >> Steve >> >> ___ >> Steve Laifman >> Editor - *TigersUnited.com * >> >> >> >> >> >> Alan Zeni wrote: >> > I've got everything disconnected from the motor/tranny and am ready to >> pull >> > the pair. Unfortunately, I don't have the means to drop them out the >> bottom >> > so, according the the shop manual, I need to remove the steering rack. >> Now, >> > looking in the engine bay, it looks as though that when I drop the >> rear of the >> > tranny, the damper pully will clear the rack easily. Has anyone done >> this? >> > And, where are the suggested mount points for the chain? >> > >> > Thanks in advance! >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bamcnulty@optonline.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 10 23:42:39 2008 From: Theo Smit To: Tony McNulty Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:53:14 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Removal After I'd got the engine sitting on the floor,while removing it, I found I needed to raise the body higher to get the engine out from under the body. I put a chain between two of the crossmember bolts,on opposite frame rails, and used that to pick up the body using the engine hoist. You have to be careful that the load isn't too heavy in that situation or you could pull the frame rails together inadvertently. Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 11 01:34:01 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] engine lif aid- from Theo months back http://carshop.carshopinc.com/product_info.php/products_id/59231/CSELP Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 11 05:35:06 2008 From: Harry Elam To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:34:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine remeoval/reinstallation Alan, I have always dropped the engine and transmission out of the bottom. So I have always had the front crossmember off during reinstallation. It has worked fine for 29 years and about 6 removal/re-installation cycles on two Tigers. So, Yes! moving or loosening the rack will definitely help. Harry Elam B382000471 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 11 08:50:38 2008 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: , Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:50:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Removal Get a towing strap... Loop it around the firewall braces... Lift the front of the car once you have unbolted the engine etc... Somewhere there was a step by step for this. Don't remember where though. Best advice I got was to take pictures of everything before doing it and at a couple of steps along the way. Have fun..... ;) It's really not that bad. When you put the crossmember back on remember to jack the engine slightly to un load the frame rails. I couldn't get the third bolt for the crossmember into place no matter what I did. Figured there was something wrong with the car. I asked on the list and bingo.... Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 11 10:16:42 2008 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:16:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Removal ---- Scott Hutchinson wrote: > Get a towing strap... > > Loop it around the firewall braces... +1 on this appproach. > > When you put the crossmember back on remember to jack the engine slightly to un load the frame rails. I couldn't get the third bolt for the crossmember into place no matter what I did. Figured there was something wrong with the car. I asked on the list and bingo.... I used one of those hydraulic porta power pushers that you can get ridiculously cheap at Harbor freight. I placed it between the frame rails in front of the engine and spread just a wee bit. Bolts went right in. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 11 12:48:19 2008 From: "Bruce" To: Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:48:39 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] interesting site I came across this website while surfing this morning. There are a couple of tigers for sale on it. http://www.carsbikesboats.com/inventory.cfml?type2=Cars%20and%20Trucks just wanted to pass this along. Bruce B9470147 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 11 13:08:11 2008 From: "un-cole-a@juno.com" To: brichards@fineeyes.com Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:07:31 GMT Subject: Re: [Tigers] interesting site I think that red 65 that is all disassembled was just recently on E Bay. But would you pay $5995 for it?? _____________________________________________________________ Click for your daily horoscope, learn about money, love & family. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3ly8knvVCMDICWArb3ry89VCHPH bbSrWzHycsbtFlEr5ElxB/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 11 13:26:45 2008 From: Brock Tella To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:25:06 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum pin bolts I found one of the 3 inch bolts that secure the front suspension stripped. My first thought is to find a new one and see if the bolt is the problem. If not do I retap the outer welded nut? Is there more inside that you can't get to(the suspension arm is sealed).? Thanks for any advice. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 11 13:39:41 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Bruce Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:40:06 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] interesting site "So, I bought this farm at an auction. It had two large barns with the doors welded shut. After purchase I used a metal saw to cut through the locks, and when I entered the barns I found these GREAT tractors, and a number of old cars and motorcycles I don't know what to do with ..........." ;-) Steve (B9472_*289*_) *TAC _289_ * (The ONLY Factory Original "_*289*_" Tiger Mk I. ;-) ) ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Bruce wrote: > I came across this website while surfing this morning. There are a couple > of tigers for sale on it. > > > http://www.carsbikesboats.com/inventory.cfml?type2=Cars%20and%20Trucks > > > > just wanted to pass this along. > > > > Bruce > > B9470147 > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 11 14:21:56 2008 From: pmuss@aol.com To: TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:21:50 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] radoi can anyone tell me who makes a reproduction radio mount for under the dash of a Alpine/Tiger. I was told someone has them for around $40. I believe he is on the list. please help. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 11 17:22:58 2008 From: To: pmuss@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:23:27 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] radoi I'm not aware of anything that exactly reproduces the original radio console, and I think it was a dealer add-on, not very substantially made. I checked around and didn't find anything so I'm currently installing a universal under dash radio housing that's commonly available from Fry's and Crutchfield. It just holds the radio, and doesn't extend to the transmission tunnel nor does it have a speaker like the original arrangement. It's unobtrusive and compatible with old and new radio types. ---- pmuss@aol.com wrote: > can anyone tell me who makes a reproduction radio mount for under the dash of a Alpine/Tiger. I was told someone has them for around $40. I believe he is on the list. please help. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mmichels@socal.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 11 17:44:17 2008 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: brockctella@juno.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:44:32 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fulcrum pin bolts The usual cause of stripping the bolt is what I've advised about before. three of the 4 crossmember bolts usually go in OK but the 4th is just off enough to not go or strip when it goes in at a slight angle. The three bolts that go in should not be snugged down to allow for movement. The weight of the engine spreads the frame rail. Put a 2x6 or such under the oil and jack slightly to lift the engine a little. Now the bolt will go in correctly With a light you can actually watch the bolt and hole line up.. Don't crush your oil pan. The bolts are grade 8 NF available from you local CAT or Deere dealer. Don't use a cheap bolt. Once all 4 are in then torque to specs. Dave In a message dated 4/11/2008 1:27:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, brockctella@juno.com writes: I found one of the 3 inch bolts that secure the front suspension stripped. My first thought is to find a new one and see if the bolt is the problem. If not do I retap the outer welded nut? Is there more inside that you can't get to(the suspension arm is sealed).? Thanks for any advice. You are subscribed as djoh797014@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 11 18:04:37 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: DJoh797014@aol.com, brockctella@juno.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:06:18 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fulcrum pin bolts Dave, Not sure you and he are talking about the same bolts. I think his subject was labeled "fulcrum pin bolts." I think he could be talking about the bolts that attach the fulcrum pin to the crossmember. If so, I don't believe that there is more thread inside of the crossmember. I'm pretty sure this subject has come up before. Search the archives of this list for some comments. If there is nothing there I'm sure some member can give good advice on either retaping to a larger size or using a helicoil. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 11 18:36:40 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:36:54 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fulcrum pin bolts The fulcrum pin bolts are screwed into nut plates that are welded to the inside of the crossmember. On mine one of the nut plates broke loose; I drilled a 1/2" hole in the adjacent vertical edge of the crossmember, which exposed a tang of the nut plate. I used some short fasteners to hold the nut plate in position, and then rosette welded the plate back to the crossmember. You could fabricate a new nut plate out of a piece of steel and some quality 3/8 fine nuts, and then replace the original nut plate... Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 11 19:23:09 2008 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: CoolVT@aol.com, brockctella@juno.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:23:25 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fulcrum pin bolts I stand corrected. What I said goes for the four bolts that hold the cross member itself to the frame. If you are talking about the smaller bolts that hold the fulcrum pin to the cross member, dont fool around. They are all that attaches the lower A-arm to the car. These bolts have been known to sheer off when backing up and turning. I urge you to install John Logan's fulcrum pin fix. It removes that stress on these bolts and provides a much needed safety backup against catestrophic damage when and I mean WHEN the fulcrum pin fails. Everyone's fulcrum will fail, no matter what it is made of, and will fail without notice. I sent a copy of his fic to all who asked over a year ago. If you need a copy drop me a note. Dave In a message dated 4/11/2008 6:05:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, CoolVT@aol.com writes: Dave, Not sure you and he are talking about the same bolts. I think his subject was labeled "fulcrum pin bolts." I think he could be talking about the bolts that attach the fulcrum pin to the crossmember. If so, I don't believe that there is more thread inside of the crossmember. I'm pretty sure this subject has come up before. Search the archives of this list for some comments. If there is nothing there I'm sure some member can give good advice on either retaping to a larger size or using a helicoil. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) You are subscribed as djoh797014@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 12 12:53:18 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: mmichels@socal.rr.com Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:53:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] radoi Mike has a very workable solution to the "radio" issue. Tod Brown has a very good illustrated article on it on TigersUnited.com. It also hows my installation, and the speaker installation(s). http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tb-radio/BrownRadio.asp ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com mmichels@socal.rr.com wrote: > I'm not aware of anything that exactly reproduces the original radio console, and I think it was a dealer add-on, not very substantially made. I checked around and didn't find anything so I'm currently installing a universal under dash radio housing that's commonly available from Fry's and Crutchfield. It just holds the radio, and doesn't extend to the transmission tunnel nor does it have a speaker like the original arrangement. It's unobtrusive and compatible with old and new radio types. > > > ---- pmuss@aol.com wrote: > >> can anyone tell me who makes a reproduction radio mount for under the dash of a Alpine/Tiger. I was told someone has them for around $40. I believe he is on the list. please help. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 12 13:06:22 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:06:47 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins and Content Search Yeah, It's me again, with the same old suggestion. Check out your query on TigersUnited.com "Search Engine" (the magnifying glass at the top of the page with "SEARCH" under it) A quick test of the words "fulcrum pin" (with quote marks) yields a great number of site discussions, and articles. Another good content describers is in the hot linked bottom menu, and a good source of articles can be found on: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/club_tips.asp for pleasant reading. Sure, I know it is easy to poll the list, but a little "homework" might allow your inquiries to be more precise. Steve -- Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 12 13:20:52 2008 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: 65tiger@comcast.net Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:22:39 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fulcrum pin bolts I broke one of those too. Broke the stock pin 7 years earlier. Switched to Doug's pin and delron bushings The right pin broke, my son lost all steering, hit and rolled an Explorer, bounced off and hit a light pole dead center. Noone go hurt but the car really took a beating. That's why my car is not on the road. What do I think of Doug's pins? I'm putting a new set of his back in. They are the best available. John Logan's fix is the way to go. As to the mounting bolts, Gary Ballard broke his while nacking out of McD's on the way to SUNI in Aspen. 10 minutes later he would have been on a twisty road in the mountains. DAve In a message dated 4/11/2008 8:51:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 65tiger@comcast.net writes: I've never heard of the mounting bolts sheering. It is always the fulcrum pin failing. You are right, the fulcrum pin can and will break. Doug Jennings makes replacement fulcrum pins. Curtis -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: DJoh797014@aol.com > If you are talking about the smaller bolts that hold the fulcrum pin to > the cross member, dont fool around. They are all that attaches the lower > A-arm to the car. These bolts have been known to sheer off when > backing up and turning. > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 12 19:01:48 2008 From: "george" To: Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 19:59:58 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Bore size? Would anyone know what the bore size is for a MK1 master cylinder and clutch master? Thanks George Re B9471055 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 13 12:27:12 2008 From: "Peter Laurinaitis" To: "Scott Hutchinson" , Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:27:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Removal i did scott's approach, not bad at all, see pic http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/peter212/IMG_0035.jpg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: ; Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Removal > Get a towing strap... > > Loop it around the firewall braces... > > Lift the front of the car once you have unbolted the engine etc... > > Somewhere there was a step by step for this. Don't remember where though. > > Best advice I got was to take pictures of everything before doing it and > at a couple of steps along the way. > > Have fun..... ;) > > It's really not that bad. > > When you put the crossmember back on remember to jack the engine slightly > to un load the frame rails. I couldn't get the third bolt for the > crossmember into place no matter what I did. Figured there was something > wrong with the car. I asked on the list and bingo.... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 14 06:02:58 2008 From: "Robert J. Wanty" To: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:03:11 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Headlights The guy I bought my 66 Tiger from 5 years ago included Carello headlights he said that these were the original that came with the car and that they are illegal in the states, does anyone know if he was he blowing smoke? They are currently on the car and work great. Bob B382001318 Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1376 - Release Date: 4/13/2008 1:45 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 14 08:46:19 2008 From: "Steinman, Bill" To: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:40:18 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger 1 rear shelf padding Howdy all: I just purchased the "rear seat" padding for the shelf behind the seats. I see that it gets snaps on each side next to the wheel arches, and then snaps on the vertical surface behind the driver and passanger seats. My tiger also has a single male snap on the right hand side of the differential hump. Does the padding get a female snap there as well? Does anyone have a photo of their rear padding installed? Thanks so much! Bill S. 1965 Tiger 9470311 LRFXE NOTICE: This communication may contain privileged or other confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and delete the copy you received. IRS CIRCULAR 230 Disclosure: Under U.S. Treasury regulations, we are required to inform you that any tax advice contained in this e-mail or any attachment hereto is not intended to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code. Thank you. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 14 09:23:37 2008 From: "Steinman, Bill" To: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:19:15 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Rear padding redux Hi all: Sorry for the second email. Just to clarify, the single snap on the left hand side of the differential hump is on the horizontal surface where the "rear seat" padding sits. It's just about half way between the snaps that go on either end of the horizontal surface of the pad, but seems to be offset to one side because of the small bump on the horizontal surface for the differential. Thanks! NOTICE: This communication may contain privileged or other confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and delete the copy you received. IRS CIRCULAR 230 Disclosure: Under U.S. Treasury regulations, we are required to inform you that any tax advice contained in this e-mail or any attachment hereto is not intended to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code. Thank you. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 14 10:26:21 2008 From: "Stu Brennan" To: "'Robert J. Wanty'" , Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:26:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlights When I got my Tiger, when it was 10 years old, it still had a Lucas sealed beam headlight in it. Just like the cruddy sealed beams that were the only thing legal back in the day. Someone, the dealer or the first owner, may have tossed the Carellos on yours, but I doubt they were "stock", unless your car was first delivered in Europe. Back in the day, I put similar H4 headlights in everything I drove. Great! Now that US legal light are better, I use those on the Tiger. They don't rust out, like the H4 ones eventually do (in the salt belt, anyway). Stu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 14 12:08:02 2008 From: Larry Allbritton To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Panel Switch My panel switch has been getting less reliable over the last couple of years and now it does not work at all. I checked SS but they don't sell them. Anyone have any suggestions for replacement of this switch? Thanks in advance. Larry B9472723 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 14 12:32:53 2008 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: Larry Allbritton , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:33:16 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Panel Switch You mean the "Dim" and "Dimmer" switch? You might be able to take it out and clean it with contact cleaner. If its the dim position that is the problem there is a carbon block snapped into some holders on the side, maybe it slipped out. All else fails, bypass it so the lights are on max (too Dim) all the time. Gary -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Larry Allbritton > My panel switch has been getting less reliable over the last couple of years and > now it does not work at all. I checked SS but they don't sell them. > Anyone have any suggestions for replacement of this switch? > > Thanks in advance. > > Larry B9472723 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 14 17:36:26 2008 From: "TM" To: "Tiger Email List" Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:36:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Dashpad I am going to be installing a new SS dashpad, and was wondering if anybody has any advice or tips on installing these pads. Any information would be helpfull. Thanks Terry strombecker@telus.net B9471362 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 14 18:36:18 2008 From: "George Re" To: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:34:21 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Subaru Master cylinder Group: has anyone used the Subaru 1600 master cylinder in placed for the Girling one? If so what had to be changed to make it work in the tige George _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 15 06:23:56 2008 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:23:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger / Alpine stock wheels " Please do NOT use Alpine wheels on a Tiger. Although they may "fit", the center section stamping is thinner than the Tiger, and could fail under loads." According to the January 1965 Sunbeam 260 parts catalog and the February 1965 Alpine catalog, the replacement part number for road wheels for all Tigers and Alpine Series II(B910...) and later cars built after #7290 was the same (1214930) This information is repeated for the June 1968 Rootes parts catalog that includes both Alpines Series I - V and Tiger and Tiger II. I wonder at what point the switch to using one wheel for Tiger and Alpine on the actual assembly lines was made? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 15 07:56:57 2008 From: Carmods@aol.com To: larryall@pacbell.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:56:54 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Panel Switch <> Larry, Try spraying the switch with a relay or tuner cleaner and lubricant, If they still sell it. That will sometimes work. John Logan **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 15 08:16:01 2008 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: rande@thecia.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:16:30 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger / Alpine stock wheels > I wonder at what point the switch to using one wheel for Tiger and Alpine on > the actual assembly lines was made? Who said it did? I had a SV Alger and its wheels were definitely different (weaker around the lugs) than my MKI Tiger. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 15 12:52:56 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: rande@thecia.net, Tiger's Den Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:52:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine stock wheels Rande, My Sunbeam Parts List (Supplement to the Alpine Parts List, was an addition to the "Sunbeam Alpine" parts list for Dealers and Service Centers. "A brand new addition to our site, The *ORIGINAL* Rootes Parts List Supplement for the Sunbeam "260", 2nd Issue, January, 1965." It was intended to list parts that are unique to the Tiger (260), and an addendum to the Alpine Parts List. It does list the road wheels as: Rootes Part Number 1214930 See http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/FactParts.asp I do not have the Alpine parts list, so cannot verify if it lists the same number. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com rande wrote: > " > Please do NOT use Alpine wheels on a Tiger. Although they may "fit", > the center section stamping is thinner than the Tiger, and could fail > under loads." > > According to the January 1965 Sunbeam 260 parts catalog and the February 1965 > Alpine catalog, the replacement part number for road wheels for all Tigers and > Alpine Series II(B910...) and later cars built after #7290 was the same (1214930) > > > This information is repeated for the June 1968 Rootes parts catalog that includes > both Alpines Series I - V and Tiger and Tiger II. > > I wonder at what point the switch to using one wheel for Tiger and Alpine on > the actual assembly lines was made? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 15 13:59:14 2008 From: Marc James Small To: Steve Laifman ,rande@thecia.net, Tiger's Den Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:59:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine stock wheels At 01:52 PM 4/15/2008, Steve Laifman wrote: > >My Sunbeam Parts List (Supplement to the Alpine Parts List, was an >addition to the "Sunbeam Alpine" parts list for Dealers and Service >Centers. > >"A brand new addition to our site, The *ORIGINAL* Rootes Parts List >Supplement for the Sunbeam "260", 2nd Issue, January, 1965." > >It was intended to list parts that are unique to the Tiger (260), and an >addendum to the Alpine Parts List. >It does list the road wheels as: > >Rootes Part Number 1214930 > >I do not have the Alpine parts list, so cannot verify if it lists the >same number. Folks Alpine to B917290 1201200 Alpine from B917291 1210258, replaced by 1214930 (there is also 1201361, but I believe that this was the knock-off wire wheels, though the parts list is ambiguous) (source: SUNBEAM ALPINE PARTS LIST SERIES I, II, III, IV, & V, Revised, June, 1968, Rootes Publication 6600992)) Tiger 1214930 (surce, PARTS LIST SUPPLEMENT FOR THE SUNBEAM "260" AND "289", January, 1967, Rootes Publication 6601334) So, the final answer seems to be that Alpne I and early II used one road wheel but that all Alpines from the later II's through the V and all Tigers shared the same road wheel, 1214930. It is possible that the original later II and on road wheel, 1210258, was too weak for use on the Tiger and that might explain the replacement by 1214930. Or maybe Rootes was just consolidating their parts inventory. Anyone want to disuss nave plates? Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 15 15:26:54 2008 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:27:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlights Just want to remind the group about the GE Nighthawk high-output Sealed Beam Headlamps I had a hand in bringing to the market place a few years ago. They are a drop-in replacement, 30% brighter than a standard Halogen (about 200% brighter than those old Lucas incandescents), yet the low beam is only 35 watts. I run my headlights 100% in both my Tigers as DRLs and no issues with either car's generator keeping up. The correct lamp for our Tigers (and Alpines too) is the H6024NH GE NIGHTHAWK(tm) H6024NH PAR56 (7") PC: 28153 They are sold on Amazon, by Wal-Mart and any auto parts store that handles GE Lamps. What's the down side? The lamp life has been diminished by 10% or so. A fair price to pay for seeing better in the dark! Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stu Brennan Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:27 AM To: 'Robert J. Wanty'; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlights When I got my Tiger, when it was 10 years old, it still had a Lucas sealed beam headlight in it. Just like the cruddy sealed beams that were the only thing legal back in the day. Someone, the dealer or the first owner, may have tossed the Carellos on yours, but I doubt they were "stock", unless your car was first delivered in Europe. Back in the day, I put similar H4 headlights in everything I drove. Great! Now that US legal light are better, I use those on the Tiger. They don't rust out, like the H4 ones eventually do (in the salt belt, anyway). Stu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 15 15:43:03 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" , Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:42:51 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlights Mark, How do they compare to xenon bulbs? I switched from halogen to xenon and they are certainly brighter. Also the same power. - owain On 4/15/08, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) wrote: > Just want to remind the group about the GE Nighthawk high-output Sealed > Beam Headlamps I had a hand in bringing to the market place a few years > ago. They are a drop-in replacement, 30% brighter than a standard > Halogen (about 200% brighter than those old Lucas incandescents), yet > the low beam is only 35 watts. I run my headlights 100% in both my > Tigers as DRLs and no issues with either car's generator keeping up. > > The correct lamp for our Tigers (and Alpines too) is the H6024NH GE > NIGHTHAWK(tm) H6024NH PAR56 (7") PC: 28153 > > They are sold on Amazon, by Wal-Mart and any auto parts store that > handles GE Lamps. > > What's the down side? The lamp life has been diminished by 10% or so. A > fair price to pay for seeing better in the dark! > > Bugz > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Stu Brennan > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:27 AM > To: 'Robert J. Wanty'; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlights > > When I got my Tiger, when it was 10 years old, it still had a Lucas > sealed beam headlight in it. Just like the cruddy sealed beams that > were the only thing legal back in the day. Someone, the dealer or the > first owner, may have tossed the Carellos on yours, but I doubt they > were "stock", unless your car was first delivered in Europe. > > Back in the day, I put similar H4 headlights in everything I drove. > Great! Now that US legal light are better, I use those on the Tiger. > They don't rust out, like the H4 ones eventually do (in the salt belt, > anyway). > > Stu > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 15 16:05:22 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:05:45 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlights Rense & Tigers, To through yet another log onto the fire, I put my Original bulbs in a box (if I ever enter a Concour) and used a set of Hella "H4" headlamps, with Xenon Bulbs (slight lamp base touch-up). Flatter face, and excellent light. My $0.02 (0.01 Pounds). And Owain: Yes, the Xenon bulbs are brighter. Anything is brighter than originals, whose maximum output is dim and dismal. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) wrote: > Just want to remind the group about the GE Nighthawk high-output Sealed > Beam Headlamps I had a hand in bringing to the market place a few years > ago. They are a drop-in replacement, 30% brighter than a standard > Halogen (about 200% brighter than those old Lucas incandescents), yet > the low beam is only 35 watts. I run my headlights 100% in both my > Tigers as DRLs and no issues with either car's generator keeping up. > > The correct lamp for our Tigers (and Alpines too) is the H6024NH GE > NIGHTHAWK(tm) H6024NH PAR56 (7") PC: 28153 > > They are sold on Amazon, by Wal-Mart and any auto parts store that > handles GE Lamps. > > What's the down side? The lamp life has been diminished by 10% or so. A > fair price to pay for seeing better in the dark! > > Bugz _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 15 17:22:32 2008 From: "George Re" To: "Tigers" Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:19:52 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Subaru master cylinder Hello: Not sure my last post went out? Here is the question again. Has anyone used the Subaru 1600 master cylinder in place of the Tiger Girling one?. I just read the it was a easy swap just like to know if anyone in the group has tried it. Thanks George Re B9471055 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 15 18:05:17 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: tiger Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:05:36 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] orientation of wedges between crossmember and frame what is the correct orientation of the wedges between the crossmember and the frame? is the thick end meant to be towards the front or rear? many thanks. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 15 18:13:44 2008 From: "michael king" To: Mike Rambour , David Scheidt Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:14:12 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger / Alpine stock wheels I wonder if the Tiger stock wheels were the same as on some of the husky/minx wagons and vans, the heavier commercial stuff.. have a friend who says his late model minx has soe stong centred wheels.. come to think of it.. that car had drop spindles too.. between those parts they are probably worth more than the car -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 15 18:50:14 2008 From: "Ross" To: , "'tiger'" Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:50:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] orientation of wedges between crossmember and frame Owain, You took pictures when it came apart, right? :) They go on with the wedge to the rear. Just kidding but the orientation is correct. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse The only reason I know is because my rack is out and I took pictures before it went to Tom Hall for repair. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse Subject: [Tigers] orientation of wedges between crossmember and frame what is the correct orientation of the wedges between the crossmember and the frame? is the thick end meant to be towards the front or rear? many thanks. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 15 21:12:36 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: ross_hulse@sbcglobal.net, owain.lloyd@gmail.com, Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:11:56 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] orientation of wedges between crossmember and frame Ross, and by the wedge part to the rear you meant the thick part, right? **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 15 22:26:42 2008 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "michael king" Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:26:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger / Alpine stock wheels Listers: I have heard stories and seen the affect of autocrossing on stock Tiger wheels and they seem to be the weaker of the Tiger/Alpine wheel option. Having spoken to several credible racers, some currently racing, some racing in period, they all have said they had better longivity from the Alpine wheels. The Tiger wheels are prone to cracking around the wheel stud holes from autocrossing. I have no information regarding road racing usage. Finally, I have no clue as to the differences in Tiger/Alpine wheels. Happy hunting! Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 4:14 PM Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger / Alpine stock wheels I wonder if the Tiger stock wheels were the same as on some of the husky/minx wagons and vans, the heavier commercial stuff.. have a friend who says his late model minx has soe stong centred wheels.. come to think of it.. that car had drop spindles too.. between those parts they are probably worth more than the car -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 16 02:38:14 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: Ross Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 08:38:36 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] orientation of wedges between crossmember and frame i did take note when i removed it and the wedge was indeed towards the rear but someone reputable told me the wedge should be towards the front so i thought i'd check with the fountain of all knowledge that is the tigers list :) On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:50 AM, Ross wrote: > Owain, > > You took pictures when it came apart, right? :) > > They go on with the wedge to the rear. > > Just kidding but the orientation is correct. > > Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse > > The only reason I know is because my rack is out and I took pictures before > it went to Tom Hall for repair. > > Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse > > > Subject: [Tigers] orientation of wedges between crossmember and frame > > > > what is the correct orientation of the wedges between the crossmember > and the frame? > > is the thick end meant to be towards the front or rear? > > many thanks. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 16 08:58:23 2008 From: spmdr@juno.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:56:45 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Stock Sunbeam wheels As a follow up on Jere's note, My $.02 >From observation not part number check, "Tiger" steel wheels have a raised area around the lug nut that the Alpine wheel does not have. And I would bet more than a few Alpines left Rootes with "Tiger" wheels. The "Tiger" wheels break around the outside of the raised area. I suspect the cause of failure is two fold, over torqueing the nuts and bigger (wider) / stickier tires than original (with some spirited driving thrown in). DW _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 16 10:29:32 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Stephen Jones" Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:29:30 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] March Motor Sport i wouldn't buy the magazine just for that. its not much of an article, just a brief note. email me personally if you'd like to see it. On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Stephen Jones wrote: > I have been searching for the March issue of Motor Sports. Seems to be sold > out in the US according to the distributor. I have however conversed with > the UK distributor and it is possible to order directly from him. > > Here is his reply to my request: > > Yes, the Tiger article is in the March issue. We have about 40 spare in the > office. The cost of each copy is #4.95 + p&p (#3.55 to the US) > > Best > > Will > > will.delmont@chelseamagazines.com > > If someone orders a batch we could probably save some on the postage. Does > anyone want to volunteer to order a batch and then distribute from here, one > of the clubs possibly? If so put me on the list for one. > > > Also the March issue of Classic and Sportscar there is a great interview > with Don Tarbun who was Chief Development Engineer for Rootes and played a > large role in the Tiger. > > To quote from the STOC site "He and his team must have driven those MKI > 'AF' Tigers many thousands of miles between December 1963 and June 1964. He > does say though that his favourite Rootes vehicle was the one off Humber > Sceptre fitted with Chrysler's 4.4 litre V8 - "the best Q car ever on the > roads of Britain". > > > steve jones > B9470867 > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 16 10:55:12 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 08:55:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] orientation of wedges between crossmember and frame Yes, the thicker part at the rear is correct. This induces a positive caster. Some have even increased the Tigers caster by putting spacers on top of the thicker part of the wedge. This increase in caster helps with directional stability, but typically increases the steering effort. There is also a practical limit to just how much "wedge" one can put between the frame rail and the crossmember. While effective, the wedge isn't a marvel of engineering. At least with this setup an indexed, tapered washer would be appropriate on the crossmember bolt. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 16 12:09:48 2008 From: "Chris and Jodie" To: , "Stephen Jones" Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:04:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Infinion Stopped at Infinion on the way home from work. They are celebrating their 40th annivarsary and guess what image they chose for all the promotional items? You guessed it........... http://www.infineonraceway.com/multimedia/image_gallery/sf5581.html They are using the second image in this gallary. Looks like the Hollywood Tiger. Bought some stickers and a pennant. Chris Coffel _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 16 16:05:01 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:04:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger / Alpine stock wheels I think you are right Jere. The wheels on Tigers and Alpines probably differ only in production groups. A Tiger doesn't go around a corner as fast as an Alpine as proven years ago in so many races so the side forces which are the most devastating are less in the Tiger. Either car could spin the tires, and since current tires are a lot better that exacerbates the problem also. There is no way Rootes made a different wheel for each type of car that happened to look the same. If Lucas was involved, then maybe. -- Bill -- Listers: I have heard stories and seen the affect of autocrossing on stock Tiger wheels and they seem to be the weaker of the Tiger/Alpine wheel option. Having spoken to several credible racers, some currently racing, some racing in period, they all have said they had better longivity from the Alpine wheels. The Tiger wheels are prone to cracking around the wheel stud holes from autocrossing. I have no information regarding road racing usage. Finally, I have no clue as to the differences in Tiger/Alpine wheels. Happy hunting! Jere I wonder if the Tiger stock wheels were the same as on some of the husky/minx wagons and vans, the heavier commercial stuff.. have a friend who says his late model minx has soe stong centred wheels.. come to think of it.. that car had drop spindles too.. between those parts they are probably worth more than the car -- Regards Michael King You are subscribed as mrlau@charter.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 16 16:48:26 2008 From: "Stu Brennan" To: "'William Lau'" , Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:48:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger / Alpine stock wheels Somewhere backing the archives we had a discussion about this before. Someone turned up a factory memo from back in the day stating that the stock Tiger wheels should not be used for any sort of motorsports whatsoever. And some British vintage racer convinced his ultra conservative racing club to allow him to switch to Minilites or something because of this. Does anyone remember the details? Stu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 16 16:53:34 2008 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: , , Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:53:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger / Alpine stock wheels I remember seeing that in a list of factory available options that could be purchase as kits or installed by the dealer. Also had a stage I, II, III engine modification. I seem to recall that the stage I engine had the hipo cam, but no carb and manifold change. The came with stage II. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. 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Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1381 - Release Date: 4/16/2008 9:34 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 06:20:36 2008 From: "Wally Menke" To: "'Tiger List'" Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:20:53 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] MSD Ignition Finally solve my MSD problem by getting rid of it! After removing it and having it tested 2 times by the MSD distributor here they told me that it was perfect. I borrowed a Crane HI 6 module and the problem disappeared! So I bought one. The engine runs smoother and noticeably stronger. MSD = Missing Spark Device Wally Menke -----Original Message----- From: Wally Menke [mailto:walmenke@bigpond.net.au] Sent: September 3, 2007 6:14 AM To: Tiger List Subject: MSD Ignition Can anyone out there help me with an MSD ignition problem? Their tech support is non-existant! I have a 6AL module fitted to my Tiger with rev limiter. After about 20-30 minutes of running the rev limiter cuts in at 1/4 of the rated revs, ie. With a 6000 rpm chip it cuts out at 1500 rpm, with 8000 rpm chip it cuts out at 2000 rpm. When I pull the chip out the car runs fine! But I'd rather run with the rev limiter in place for protection. Any ideas out there? Regards Wally Menke B9471793 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 10:05:25 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:04:39 EDT Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Is this for real? **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of WaterPower.wmv] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 10:27:14 2008 From: drmayf To: CoolVT@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:27:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) Caertainly it is for real. I have a free linch for you also. No, the issue is the electrolysis of the water. All this guy is doing is using someting to break water down into hydrogen and oxygen and remixing th egasses. Ford used this Hydroxide of Hydrogen last summer to run their fuel cell car to 207 on the salt flats. What's not siad is that in order to get enough to run your vehicle you have to have a LOT of it and under very high pressure, around 5000 or better psig. And because the two gasses are mixed together in the storage tank, they are quite literally a bomb. The good thing from this would be that if true he has a new wasy to electrolyze water. Keep the H2 and put the O2 back in the air. Much smaller bomb. And that demo with the hafinger h olding the torch tip? You can probably do that with you acetelyne tip now. Just have to make sure that the flame front is off the tip by using lots of pressure to keep it away. So do not equate teh hotness of th etorch tip with the flame temp...that is really hot! mayf CoolVT@aol.com wrote: >Is this for real? > > > >**************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car >listings at AOL Autos. >(http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of WaterPower.wmv] >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as drmayf@mayfco.com > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 10:28:27 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:28:45 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) Here's a link: Water, as used in this context, is not the "fuel". He's using electricity to dissociate the water into hydrogen and oxygen gas (or maybe a partial hydrolysis to hydrogen and hydroxide ions) and then recombining the gases in his torch (or in his car), which turns the electrical energy into heat (and, judging by the tone of the article, smoke and mirrors). The energy is provided by the electrical plant that provided the power to run his electrolysis machine. That's going to be coal-fired, hydroelectric, nuclear, or in the case of his car, a gasoline powered internal combustion engine. Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 10:44:16 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Smit, Theo" Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:40:16 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) i wouldn't normally bring it up, but what a stupid comment by the presenter with the shaky grasp of economics right at the end: 'lets hope water prices don't go up'. hmm.... On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > Here's a link: > > > Water, as used in this context, is not the "fuel". He's using > electricity to dissociate the water into hydrogen and oxygen gas (or > maybe a partial hydrolysis to hydrogen and hydroxide ions) and then > recombining the gases in his torch (or in his car), which turns the > electrical energy into heat (and, judging by the tone of the article, > smoke and mirrors). > > The energy is provided by the electrical plant that provided the power > to run his electrolysis machine. That's going to be coal-fired, > hydroelectric, nuclear, or in the case of his car, a gasoline powered > internal combustion engine. > > Theo > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 10:45:44 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:46:12 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) Not that far off the mark. The use of water for hydrolysis requires reasonably high purity, and preferably a bit of H2SO4 to help the conductivity along. If you just used tap water, you'd be descaling your hydrolysis equipment pretty often. So you have to buy your fuel-water over the counter. The reason that ethanol-from-corn was touted in the US as the answer to cheap fuel, was that corn was relatively cheap. Now that a significant fraction of corn production is going into ethanol plants instead of being exported as food, the price of corn has gone up to the point where people can't afford to buy it to eat. Theo -----Original Message----- From: Owain Lloyd [mailto:owain.lloyd@gmail.com] Sent: April 17, 2008 9:40 AM To: Smit, Theo Cc: CoolVT@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) i wouldn't normally bring it up, but what a stupid comment by the presenter with the shaky grasp of economics right at the end: 'lets hope water prices don't go up'. hmm.... On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > Here's a link: > > > Water, as used in this context, is not the "fuel". He's using > electricity to dissociate the water into hydrogen and oxygen gas (or > maybe a partial hydrolysis to hydrogen and hydroxide ions) and then > recombining the gases in his torch (or in his car), which turns the > electrical energy into heat (and, judging by the tone of the article, > smoke and mirrors). > > The energy is provided by the electrical plant that provided the power > to run his electrolysis machine. That's going to be coal-fired, > hydroelectric, nuclear, or in the case of his car, a gasoline powered > internal combustion engine. > > Theo > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 10:49:49 2008 From: "Alan Zeni" To: "tiger" Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:49:49 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Carb spacer Does anyone know how thick a spacer I can use between a performer intake and a 600 cfm Holly carb? And, I assume that I don't need a "heated" spacer like O.E., right? Thanks.......... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 10:54:19 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Smit, Theo" Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:54:44 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) yes but corn has risen along with other commodities for different reasons. at least thats where the bulk of the increase in corn is. further, whatever the high cost of the water ready for use in this sort of equipment, there is no reason to believe the cost would increase over time (as she is suggesting) as its unlikely to suffer from political tensions and diminishing reserves. if anything the cost will fall as more efficient means of its production are devised. anyway, we digress.... for the purposes of this list, i for one will continue to pour dirty great quantities of preminum gasoline into my hungry iron 302. :) On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > Not that far off the mark. The use of water for hydrolysis requires > reasonably high purity, and preferably a bit of H2SO4 to help the > conductivity along. If you just used tap water, you'd be descaling your > hydrolysis equipment pretty often. So you have to buy your fuel-water > over the counter. > > The reason that ethanol-from-corn was touted in the US as the answer to > cheap fuel, was that corn was relatively cheap. Now that a significant > fraction of corn production is going into ethanol plants instead of > being exported as food, the price of corn has gone up to the point where > people can't afford to buy it to eat. > > Theo > > -----Original Message----- > From: Owain Lloyd [mailto:owain.lloyd@gmail.com] > Sent: April 17, 2008 9:40 AM > To: Smit, Theo > Cc: CoolVT@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) > > i wouldn't normally bring it up, but what a stupid comment by the > presenter with the shaky grasp of economics right at the end: 'lets > hope water prices don't go up'. > > hmm.... > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Smit, Theo > wrote: > > Here's a link: > > > > > > Water, as used in this context, is not the "fuel". He's using > > electricity to dissociate the water into hydrogen and oxygen gas (or > > maybe a partial hydrolysis to hydrogen and hydroxide ions) and then > > recombining the gases in his torch (or in his car), which turns the > > electrical energy into heat (and, judging by the tone of the article, > > smoke and mirrors). > > > > The energy is provided by the electrical plant that provided the > power > > to run his electrolysis machine. That's going to be coal-fired, > > hydroelectric, nuclear, or in the case of his car, a gasoline powered > > internal combustion engine. > > > > Theo > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 10:58:05 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Alan Zeni" Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:58:17 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Carb spacer depends on your hood and engine position. it's very easy to measure by putting a loose ball of aluminum foil on top of the air filter and closing the hood. i used that tequinique to see if i could fit a nitrous plate under the carb. luckily i could :) On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Alan Zeni wrote: > Does anyone know how thick a spacer I can use between a performer intake and a > 600 cfm Holly carb? And, I assume that I don't need a "heated" spacer like > O.E., right? > > Thanks.......... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 10:58:13 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:58:03 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen fuel What isn't mentioned is that it takes more energy to get the hydrogen than you get. -- Bill -- Not that far off the mark. The use of water for hydrolysis requires reasonably high purity, and preferably a bit of H2SO4 to help the conductivity along. If you just used tap water, you'd be descaling your hydrolysis equipment pretty often. So you have to buy your fuel-water over the counter. The reason that ethanol-from-corn was touted in the US as the answer to cheap fuel, was that corn was relatively cheap. Now that a significant fraction of corn production is going into ethanol plants instead of being exported as food, the price of corn has gone up to the point where people can't afford to buy it to eat. Theo i wouldn't normally bring it up, but what a stupid comment by the presenter with the shaky grasp of economics right at the end: 'lets hope water prices don't go up'. hmm.... On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > Here's a link: > > > Water, as used in this context, is not the "fuel". He's using > electricity to dissociate the water into hydrogen and oxygen gas (or > maybe a partial hydrolysis to hydrogen and hydroxide ions) and then > recombining the gases in his torch (or in his car), which turns the > electrical energy into heat (and, judging by the tone of the article, > smoke and mirrors). > > The energy is provided by the electrical plant that provided the power > to run his electrolysis machine. That's going to be coal-fired, > hydroelectric, nuclear, or in the case of his car, a gasoline powered > internal combustion engine. > > Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 11:01:25 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "William Lau" Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:01:51 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen fuel indeed, but that may be considered worth while if that energy is produced in a central location and using an environmentally efficient means. this loss can also be recouped if the new engine is more efficient than a traditional petrol engine. On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:58 PM, William Lau wrote: > What isn't mentioned is that it takes more energy to get the hydrogen than > you get. -- Bill -- > > Not that far off the mark. The use of water for hydrolysis requires > reasonably high purity, and preferably a bit of H2SO4 to help the > conductivity along. If you just used tap water, you'd be descaling your > hydrolysis equipment pretty often. So you have to buy your fuel-water > over the counter. > > The reason that ethanol-from-corn was touted in the US as the answer to > cheap fuel, was that corn was relatively cheap. Now that a significant > fraction of corn production is going into ethanol plants instead of > being exported as food, the price of corn has gone up to the point where > people can't afford to buy it to eat. > > Theo > > i wouldn't normally bring it up, but what a stupid comment by the > presenter with the shaky grasp of economics right at the end: 'lets > hope water prices don't go up'. > > hmm.... > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Smit, Theo > wrote: > > Here's a link: > > > > > > Water, as used in this context, is not the "fuel". He's using > > electricity to dissociate the water into hydrogen and oxygen gas (or > > maybe a partial hydrolysis to hydrogen and hydroxide ions) and then > > recombining the gases in his torch (or in his car), which turns the > > electrical energy into heat (and, judging by the tone of the article, > > smoke and mirrors). > > > > The energy is provided by the electrical plant that provided the > power > > to run his electrolysis machine. That's going to be coal-fired, > > hydroelectric, nuclear, or in the case of his car, a gasoline powered > > internal combustion engine. > > > > Theo > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 11:10:58 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:09:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen fuel I don't agree. A BTU is a BTU and you lose quite a bit any time you change the form. If electricity were used it may as well go straight to the car. The biggest problem with that is where the used batteries are going every 5 years. NIMBY. --Bill -- indeed, but that may be considered worth while if that energy is produced in a central location and using an environmentally efficient means. this loss can also be recouped if the new engine is more efficient than a traditional petrol engine. On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:58 PM, William Lau wrote: > What isn't mentioned is that it takes more energy to get the hydrogen than > you get. -- Bill -- > > Not that far off the mark. The use of water for hydrolysis requires > reasonably high purity, and preferably a bit of H2SO4 to help the > conductivity along. If you just used tap water, you'd be descaling your > hydrolysis equipment pretty often. So you have to buy your fuel-water > over the counter. > > The reason that ethanol-from-corn was touted in the US as the answer to > cheap fuel, was that corn was relatively cheap. Now that a significant > fraction of corn production is going into ethanol plants instead of > being exported as food, the price of corn has gone up to the point where > people can't afford to buy it to eat. > > Theo > > i wouldn't normally bring it up, but what a stupid comment by the > presenter with the shaky grasp of economics right at the end: 'lets > hope water prices don't go up'. > > hmm.... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 11:19:30 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "William Lau" Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:19:46 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen fuel it is possible that its still more efficient and its likely to be more environmentally friendly but even if its neither, at some point it will become more economically viable. there is only so much oil left... On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:09 PM, William Lau wrote: > I don't agree. A BTU is a BTU and you lose quite a bit any time you change > the form. If electricity were used it may as well go straight to the car. > The biggest problem with that is where the used batteries are going every 5 > years. NIMBY. --Bill -- > > > indeed, but that may be considered worth while if that energy is > produced in a central location and using an environmentally efficient > means. this loss can also be recouped if the new engine is more > efficient than a traditional petrol engine. > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:58 PM, William Lau wrote: > > What isn't mentioned is that it takes more energy to get the hydrogen than > > you get. -- Bill -- > > > > Not that far off the mark. The use of water for hydrolysis requires > > reasonably high purity, and preferably a bit of H2SO4 to help the > > conductivity along. If you just used tap water, you'd be descaling your > > hydrolysis equipment pretty often. So you have to buy your fuel-water > > over the counter. > > > > The reason that ethanol-from-corn was touted in the US as the answer to > > cheap fuel, was that corn was relatively cheap. Now that a significant > > fraction of corn production is going into ethanol plants instead of > > being exported as food, the price of corn has gone up to the point where > > people can't afford to buy it to eat. > > > > Theo > > > > i wouldn't normally bring it up, but what a stupid comment by the > > presenter with the shaky grasp of economics right at the end: 'lets > > hope water prices don't go up'. > > > > hmm.... > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 11:26:13 2008 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:27:05 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Gee Wizz "A Tiger doesn't go around a corner as fast as an Alpine as proven years ago in so many races so the side forces which are the most devastating are less in the Tiger." Interesting statement. I looked at different autocross events and the winning times between Alpine and Tiger differ by a few tenths of a second. Was there some race or other event that measured the cornering G's between a Alpine and Tiger?. This looks like a good event for the next Sunbeam get together: who can create the highest G's on a skid pad. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 11:50:41 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:50:58 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gee Wizz Yes, I would think that lap times are not necessarily accurate in calculating side forces. The weight factor from the heavier V-8 is likely the significant contributor to side forces compared to an Alpine. All elements being equal..., yes. But, with the dynamic differences in weight (especially in the front) brings a need to look elsewhere for comparison. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 12:45:22 2008 From: drmayf To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:45:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Carb spacer You, the world's fastesst SUnbeam (wannabe) has used many aan aluminum ball under the hood to measure clearances. Works really well, and sdoes not leave modeling clay everywhere, lol... And it holds the shape really well so you can measure it easily. mayf Owain Lloyd wrote: >depends on your hood and engine position. it's very easy to measure >by putting a loose ball of aluminum foil on top of the air filter and >closing the hood. i used that tequinique to see if i could fit a >nitrous plate under the carb. luckily i could :) > >On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Alan Zeni wrote: > > >>Does anyone know how thick a spacer I can use between a performer intake and a >> 600 cfm Holly carb? And, I assume that I don't need a "heated" spacer like >> O.E., right? >> >> Thanks.......... >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as drmayf@mayfco.com > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 12:49:13 2008 From: "Schonberger, Barry K" To: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:47:54 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Alpine and Tiger Plus Parts For Sale Some acquaintances in Illinois are selling their Alpine, Tiger and parts. Mike was a very successful professional drag racer in the 60-70's and has quite a collection of rare FORD drag cars. Please feel free to give them a call. Barry Schonberger Evansville, IN 47712 (812) 464-1862w (812) 465-7021 fax Teamtiger21@aol.com The parts list is as follows: 2 hardtops front cross member springs, A arms and spindles (multiple) 8 race rims alloy 2 race rims drag slicks 1967 Alpine driveline Hood (Good) Trunk lid (Good) Doors (Good) stock rims Gas tanks Tiger valve covers (original) dash and misc instruments hub caps steering wheel tons more parts Will not sell cars unless parts sell first or with car or cars. Cars will sell separately if parts are sold first 1967 Sunbeam Alpine 22000 actual miles excellent condition 1967 Sunbeam Tiger, 347 stroker and T5 motorsports 5 speed Thanks for the help and if there are any questions please contact Mike and Sherry Hall 618-752-5861 Sherry Hall _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 14:07:37 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:06:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gee Wizz Jeff, This is from experience watching road racing in the 60's. The Tigers almost always got beaten by the Alpines unless there was an extremely long straightaway. The Tigers were neater and sounded neater, but on a short course, the Alpines dominated which means they went around the corner faster. Today I'm sure there are a lot more Tigers that are set up for racing than Alpines so it would be difficult to measure now. Being better balanced, all else being equal, the Alpine will produce more G's every time. Just the difference of Ackermann angles would do it. The Tiger steering is designed backwards and the Alpine is correct. I built an Alger some years ago and put a rack behind the wheels and was stunned how well it handled in comparison to my MKII, especially since I had small nylon tires on it so I wouldn't wreck the wire wheels with the V8 and the Tiger had the best I could buy at the time. - Bill -- _____ From: Jeffrey Nichols [mailto:jxnichols@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:27 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Cc: mrlau@charter.net Subject: Gee Wizz "A Tiger doesn't go around a corner as fast as an Alpine as proven years ago in so many races so the side forces which are the most devastating are less in the Tiger." Interesting statement. I looked at different autocross events and the winning times between Alpine and Tiger differ by a few tenths of a second. Was there some race or other event that measured the cornering G's between a Alpine and Tiger?. This looks like a good event for the next Sunbeam get together: who can create the highest G's on a skid pad. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 15:36:44 2008 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, William Lau Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:36:52 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gee Wizz ---- William Lau wrote: > Jeff, > > This is from experience watching road racing in the 60's. The Tigers > almost always got beaten by the Alpines unless there was an extremely long > straightaway. Bill: I'm quite surprised that you saw Tigers and Alpines racing together on the same track at the same time. Assuming you are talking about SCCA road races, the cars ran in vastly different classes; Tigers in BP (later in CP) and Alpines predominantly in FP. Those two classes should have never been on the same track at the same time. Maybe you are speaking of comparing lap times rather than wheel-to-wheel competition?? Just out of curiosity, on which tracks did you see this take place? Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006859LRX _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 17:06:26 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: "Smit, Theo" Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:06:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (Run Your Car on Water) Just to add my own $.02, In the olden days Fair hawkers used to sell "Catalytic" filters that claimed 100 mpg on water! Seller stated that this "invention" was stolen by G.M., and buried in their vaults. Or even "atomizers" that were propellers sandwiched in a carb filter, spun by passing air. 200 MPG Carburettor! The hawkers were either looking for investors, or selling a sealed box at a fair. I am reminded of the Three Laws of Thermodynamics: 1. You can't win! 2. You can't break even! - AND 3. You can't get out of the Game! :-D Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 17:13:57 2008 From: Peter Laurinaitis To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] "tiger" intake manifold on ebay re ebay auction 170210484407 ... is this the real deal? what is the history? looks a little different than the pic of the one in the BON peter Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02@wharton.upenn.edu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 17:18:46 2008 From: "Cullen McCann" To: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:13:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (Run Your Car on Water) ....Wow, I'm humbled here, you guys are a lot smarter than me, seriously...because I cant follow what heck ur talking about. This is one of those conversations that if I were there in person, I would laugh and smile right along with you, and on the inside I would hope that you don't ask for my opinion... Lol....you guys crack me up.... Cullen ************************************************************************ ** In the olden days Fair hawkers used to sell "Catalytic" filters that claimed 100 mpg on water! Seller stated that this "invention" was stolen by G.M., and buried in their vaults. Or even "atomizers" that were propellers sandwiched in a carb filter, spun by passing air. 200 MPG Carburettor! The hawkers were either looking for investors, or selling a sealed box at a fair. I am reminded of the Three Laws of Thermodynamics: 1. You can't win! 2. You can't break even! - AND 3. You can't get out of the Game! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 17:38:18 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: peter.laurinaitis.wg02@wharton.upenn.edu Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:38:04 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] "tiger" intake manifold on ebay looks like mine: http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/Carb/slides/CIMG2281.html i think the letters have become a little rounded as its been polished. but 400 bucks reserve not met? i wouldn't pay that for one. On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Peter Laurinaitis wrote: > re ebay auction 170210484407 ... is this the real deal? what is the history? > looks a little different than the pic of the one in the BON > > peter > > Peter Laurinaitis > peter.laurinaitis.wg02@wharton.upenn.edu > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 20:05:26 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:05:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gee Wizz Masters Field Miami Florida. I was a Mustang aficionado and was watching them but had friends that were into Alpines and were excited that Tigers were around. This would have been late 65. I have no idea who conducted the races or what the rules were. Since you are familiar with SCCA competition, how did the Tigers times compare with the Alpines? -- Bill -- ---- William Lau wrote: > Jeff, > > This is from experience watching road racing in the 60's. The Tigers > almost always got beaten by the Alpines unless there was an extremely long > straightaway. Bill: I'm quite surprised that you saw Tigers and Alpines racing together on the same track at the same time. Assuming you are talking about SCCA road races, the cars ran in vastly different classes; Tigers in BP (later in CP) and Alpines predominantly in FP. Those two classes should have never been on the same track at the same time. Maybe you are speaking of comparing lap times rather than wheel-to-wheel competition?? Just out of curiosity, on which tracks did you see this take place? Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006859LRX _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 22:29:31 2008 From: "Brent Edinger" To: "tigers" Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:25:58 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel These guys are on the right track. Ethanol from just about anything, even old tires. http://www.coskata.com/ Brent _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 22:45:18 2008 From: "Craig" To: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:43:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] [tigers] British Bash British Bash The 24th annual British Bash is coming June 6 & 7th! This plus the sunny weather, top down weather, driving weather is a big reason to get your car out and running... to sign up for Pre-Registration which ends in just 17 days! Pre-Registration BONUS ends soon! Don't miss your chance to save up to 30% on your registration by entering now! If you pre register you also receive a Dash Plaque, this is the ONLY way to get one! No waiting in a registration line, drive in and enjoy the show, VIP service! Register NOW online at www.BritishBash.com Featured Marque This years Featured Marque is Healey, featuring Austin Healey's, Jensen Healey's, Nash Healey and the Original Healey brand that started it all. Show within a Show: As a huge success the Bash last year featured it's first Show within a Show, with the gathering of the North American Spitfire Squadron. Due to the overwhelming success, this year the Jaguar Drivers Club Area 51 2008 Jaguar Concours will be held at this years Bash. So as an added bonus you get a show within a show! Don't sit on the side lines and let another year pass you by! Come support the British Bash, remember this benefits St. Joseph's Children's home and last year we raised over $4,000 for St. Joe's and the Children! Help us top it this year! For more info visit the website at www.BritishBash.com or contact Craig Holmes at: cbhlouky@bellsouth.net . . . . _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 17 23:00:27 2008 From: "Craig" To: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:55:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] [tigers] British Bash Located in Louisville, Kentucky! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig" To: Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:43 PM Subject: [tigers] British Bash > British Bash > > > The 24th annual British Bash is coming June 6 & 7th! > > This plus the sunny weather, top down weather, driving weather is a big > reason to get your car out and running... to sign up for Pre-Registration > which ends in just 17 days! > > Pre-Registration BONUS ends soon! > > Don't miss your chance to save up to 30% on your registration by entering > now! > If you pre register you also receive a Dash Plaque, this is the ONLY way > to get one! > No waiting in a registration line, drive in and enjoy the show, VIP > service! > Register NOW online at www.BritishBash.com > > > Featured Marque > This years Featured Marque is Healey, featuring Austin Healey's, Jensen > Healey's, Nash Healey and the Original Healey brand that started it all. > > Show within a Show: > As a huge success the Bash last year featured it's first Show within a > Show, with the gathering of the North American Spitfire Squadron. Due to > the overwhelming success, this year the Jaguar Drivers Club Area 51 2008 > Jaguar Concours will be held at this years Bash. So as an added bonus you > get a show within a show! > > Don't sit on the side lines and let another year pass you by! Come support > the British Bash, remember this benefits St. Joseph's Children's home and > last year we raised over $4,000 for St. Joe's and the Children! Help us > top it this year! > > For more info visit the website at www.BritishBash.com or contact Craig > Holmes at: cbhlouky@bellsouth.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > . > . > . _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 00:31:06 2008 From: "Buck Trippel" To: "William Lau" , Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:25:49 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gee Wizz I looked up some Sport Car Forum Tiger and Alpine results from 1965. At Mid-Ohio in July, the Tiger was about 8 seconds per lap quicker than the Alpine. At Bridgehampton the Tiger was about 15 seconds quicker per lap. The cars ran in different groups but the times reflected their performance on the same track, on the same day with the same timer (SCF President HJ Meyer). Dan Carmichael drove the Alpine while Don Sesslar drove the Tiger. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Lau" To: Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gee Wizz > Masters Field Miami Florida. I was a Mustang aficionado and was watching > them but had friends that were into Alpines and were excited that Tigers > were around. This would have been late 65. I have no idea who conducted > the > races or what the rules were. Since you are familiar with SCCA > competition, > how did the Tigers times compare with the Alpines? -- Bill -- > > > ---- William Lau wrote: >> Jeff, >> >> This is from experience watching road racing in the 60's. The Tigers >> almost always got beaten by the Alpines unless there was an extremely >> long >> straightaway. > > Bill: > > I'm quite surprised that you saw Tigers and Alpines racing together on the > same track at the same time. Assuming you are talking about SCCA road > races, the cars ran in vastly different classes; Tigers in BP (later in > CP) > and Alpines predominantly in FP. Those two classes should have never been > on the same track at the same time. Maybe you are speaking of comparing > lap > times rather than wheel-to-wheel competition?? Just out of curiosity, on > which tracks did you see this take place? > > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE > B9006859LRX > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 05:33:31 2008 From: Steven silverstein To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 06:33:27 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Lap Times of race cars in the 1964 period Following the thread by Bill and Andy, I had just been reading a Competition Press story on "How do '64 Production Car Classes Look?" with comparison fastest lap times at Riverside. These were times from the Divisional held in Jan 1964. For reference the race cars were honestly production cars with production parts - SCCA rules were that strict (believe it or not, it wasn't until 64' that you could run .040" over pistons. I don't even think you could run flat tops unless it was a feature of the car - the "factory Option list" game was just beginning) Here's what they listed: H- sprite 2:05 F- TR-3 1:54 F- Sunbeam Alpine 1:55 E- Porsche (N) 1:51 E- Elva Courier 1:54 E- Morgan Plus 4 1:54 E- A-H 100/4 1:55 D- AH 3000 1:49 D- TR-4 1:50 D- AC Bristol 1:53 D- Lotus Elite 1:55 C- Morgan SS 1:46 C- Lotus Super 7 1:47 B- Corvette 1:47 B- Jaguar XKE 1:54 A- Cobra 1:43 A- Sting Ray 1:44 Again, This is Riverside, 2.8 miles long, 8 turns. So, having top mph would really payoff in a faster lap time. As a note the Alpine won on Saturday and led on Sunday until retiring. Also note, in 1963 the Alpine was lumped in with E-Production and did OK - Don Sesslar tied for E-P national championship points and Ed Lamb won the SW division. They even mention the 283 Corvettes will dominate B-P until the Alpine-Ford (Tiger yet, un-named) arrives. Steve Silverstein _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 05:46:05 2008 From: Steven silverstein To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 06:38:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lap Times of race cars in the 1964 period I had left off the MGA at 1:57 Steve On Apr 18, 2008, at 6:33 AM, Steven silverstein wrote: > Following the thread by Bill and Andy, I had just been reading a > Competition Press story on "How do '64 Production Car Classes > Look?" with comparison fastest lap times at Riverside. These > were times from the Divisional held in Jan 1964. For reference > the race cars were honestly production cars with production parts - > SCCA rules were that strict (believe it or not, it wasn't until > 64' that you could run .040" over pistons. I don't even think you > could run flat tops unless it was a feature of the car - the > "factory Option list" game was just beginning) > > Here's what they listed: > > H- sprite 2:05 > F- TR-3 1:54 > F- Sunbeam Alpine 1:55 > E- Porsche (N) 1:51 > E- Elva Courier 1:54 > E- Morgan Plus 4 1:54 > E- A-H 100/4 1:55 > D- AH 3000 1:49 > D- TR-4 1:50 > D- AC Bristol 1:53 > D- Lotus Elite 1:55 > C- Morgan SS 1:46 > C- Lotus Super 7 1:47 > B- Corvette 1:47 > B- Jaguar XKE 1:54 > A- Cobra 1:43 > A- Sting Ray 1:44 > > Again, This is Riverside, 2.8 miles long, 8 turns. So, having top > mph would really payoff in a faster lap time. As a note the > Alpine won on Saturday and led on Sunday until retiring. Also > note, in 1963 the Alpine was lumped in with E-Production and did OK > - Don Sesslar tied for E-P national championship points and Ed Lamb > won the SW division. > > They even mention the 283 Corvettes will dominate B-P until the > Alpine-Ford (Tiger yet, un-named) arrives. > > Steve Silverstein _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 05:46:18 2008 From: Steven silverstein To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 06:42:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lap Times of race cars in the 1964 period F-production Lotus 7A at 1:55 So, the F-production class was a very tight field. How the Tiger's lap times compare at Riverside is hard to say... I think I remember seeing something in the 1:48-9 range but I can't remember what year or who even was driving - or if it was the fastest lap for any participating Tiger so it really isn't an good example. Surely, somebody has the laptimes from the ARRC held in 1964. Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 09:50:30 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Brent Edinger" , "tigers" Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:39:58 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel Ethanol from garbage makes total sense. Ripping up thousands of acres of rainforest, old-growth forest, or re-purposing farmland to take advantage of government subsidies for making ethanol from the sugar in corn... not so much. The reason that Brazil was able to put together an effective ethanol economy was (at least in part) that they could grow sugarcane, which has much higher sugar content than corn. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_in_Brazil Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 10:36:41 2008 From: "Alan Zeni" To: "tiger" Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:29:49 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Parts and EBay I just finished pulling the motor and took the tranny and bellhousing of and, lo and behold, it looks like an original throw out bearing complete with zirk (zerc,zirc, whatever) fitting. Should I start the bidding at $500.......... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 17:14:31 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:45:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel I would hate to make a bet that Brazil's alcohol system is working as well as is stated. Many governments subsidize things to make jobs for their people and won't own up to it. (Japanese cars) In other words they rob Peter to pay Paul. There is an alcohol refinery here close to St. Louis that is huge. I can guarantee that it isn't financed solely by private industry, has government money, and isn't holding its own. I will also guarantee you that in 10 years it will be empty when the fad is over and the government money dries up. I worry that government programs will use 10 gallons of oil to make 2 gallons of Ethanol out of garbage and then brag about how clean it is. There is no free lunch and all of this talk is moot when we have oil in ANWR province and off the coast of our country and all we have to do is go get it. -- Bill -- Ethanol from garbage makes total sense. Ripping up thousands of acres of rainforest, old-growth forest, or re-purposing farmland to take advantage of government subsidies for making ethanol from the sugar in corn... not so much. The reason that Brazil was able to put together an effective ethanol economy was (at least in part) that they could grow sugarcane, which has much higher sugar content than corn. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_in_Brazil Theo _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 18:30:50 2008 From: David Sosna To: Spridgets Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:03:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel Hmm. I think I remember seeing something about how all the oil in ANWR would cover Americas needs for about 6 months and take something like 6 years before coming online. I could have the time frames wrong. Rather see more conservation and less tearing up the landscape. Best Regards David Sosna P.S. I agree--there's no free lunch, though at one time I thought about trying to convert my Tiger to Propane. We do seem to have a lot of that here in the U.S. William Lau wrote: > There is no free lunch and all of this talk is moot > when we have oil in ANWR province and off the coast of our country and all > we have to do is go get it. -- Bill -- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 18:31:44 2008 From: David Sosna To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:08:06 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel Whoops! Sorry, 13-17 month supply of oil. My bad. Best Regards David _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 18:47:42 2008 From: drmayf To: David Sosna Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:42:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel David, have you priced propane lately? We have it in our house for cook stove and phony fireplace and it is expensive. Diesel here in Pahrump is now over 4 bucks, around 4.10 USD per gal. Gasoline around $3.50 or so give or take a 10s digit. David Sosna wrote: >Hmm. >I think I remember seeing something about how all the oil in ANWR would >cover Americas needs for about 6 months and take something like 6 years >before coming online. I could have the time frames wrong. >Rather see more conservation and less tearing up the landscape. > >Best Regards >David Sosna >P.S. I agree--there's no free lunch, though at one time I thought about >trying to convert my Tiger to Propane. We do seem to have a lot of that >here in the U.S. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 19:02:06 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:02:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel I had a friend with a 69 Jeep Commando Wagon years ago and he ran it on propane. We used it to go on a hunting trip in 1970 and everything worked OK but the tank was huge and he got less than half the mileage with propane. He filled it from his house tank so it was cheap but on the open road it was hard to find and expensive. The tank filled up the entire space in the rear. The figures for oil in ANWR vary a lot depending on whether the person giving them is a tree hugger or a realist. -- Bill -- Hmm. I think I remember seeing something about how all the oil in ANWR would cover Americas needs for about 6 months and take something like 6 years before coming online. I could have the time frames wrong. Rather see more conservation and less tearing up the landscape. Best Regards David Sosna P.S. I agree--there's no free lunch, though at one time I thought about trying to convert my Tiger to Propane. We do seem to have a lot of that here in the U.S. William Lau wrote: > There is no free lunch and all of this talk is moot > when we have oil in ANWR province and off the coast of our country and all > we have to do is go get it. -- Bill -- _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 00:54:09 2008 From: David Sosna To: William Lau Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:54:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel Yep, one of the things (besides the cost, as Mayf pointed out) was trying to figure out where to put those heavy propane tanks--there wasn't exactly a lot of room :-) And, as you say, the oil figures for ANWR vary depending on whether the person giving them is a tree-hugger or a land-rapist. Best Regards David William Lau wrote: > I had a friend with a 69 Jeep Commando Wagon years ago and he ran it on > propane. We used it to go on a hunting trip in 1970 and everything worked > OK but the tank was huge and he got less than half the mileage with propane. > He filled it from his house tank so it was cheap but on the open road it was > hard to find and expensive. The tank filled up the entire space in the > rear. > The figures for oil in ANWR vary a lot depending on whether the person > giving them is a tree hugger or a realist. -- Bill -- > > Hmm. > I think I remember seeing something about how all the oil in ANWR would > cover Americas needs for about 6 months and take something like 6 years > before coming online. I could have the time frames wrong. > Rather see more conservation and less tearing up the landscape. > > Best Regards > David Sosna > P.S. I agree--there's no free lunch, though at one time I thought about > trying to convert my Tiger to Propane. We do seem to have a lot of that > here in the U.S. > > > William Lau wrote: > >> There is no free lunch and all of this talk is moot >> when we have oil in ANWR province and off the coast of our country and all >> we have to do is go get it. -- Bill -- >> > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sosnaenergyconsulting@cox.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 07:34:28 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 07:34:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel David if you think people trying their best to get what it takes to run this great country of ours is a land rapist then you need to quit driving your Tiger, get a Prius or bicycle and put a Tiger tail on it and turn off your compute,r turn off the heat and air conditioning only flush twice a week and drink puddle water because every little bit helps. - Bill -- Yep, one of the things (besides the cost, as Mayf pointed out) was trying to figure out where to put those heavy propane tanks--there wasn't exactly a lot of room :-) And, as you say, the oil figures for ANWR vary depending on whether the person giving them is a tree-hugger or a land-rapist. Best Regards David William Lau wrote: I had a friend with a 69 Jeep Commando Wagon years ago and he ran it on propane. We used it to go on a hunting trip in 1970 and everything worked OK but the tank was huge and he got less than half the mileage with propane. He filled it from his house tank so it was cheap but on the open road it was hard to find and expensive. The tank filled up the entire space in the rear. The figures for oil in ANWR vary a lot depending on whether the person giving them is a tree hugger or a realist. -- Bill -- Hmm. I think I remember seeing something about how all the oil in ANWR would cover Americas needs for about 6 months and take something like 6 years before coming online. I could have the time frames wrong. Rather see more conservation and less tearing up the landscape. Best Regards David Sosna P.S. I agree--there's no free lunch, though at one time I thought about trying to convert my Tiger to Propane. We do seem to have a lot of that here in the U.S. William Lau wrote: There is no free lunch and all of this talk is moot when we have oil in ANWR province and off the coast of our country and all we have to do is go get it. -- Bill -- _______________________________________________ You are subscribed as sosnaenergyconsulting@cox.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 08:44:14 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:44:37 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Valve cover clearance?? Can anyone tell me what the clearance is from the top of the valve cover to the underside of the cowling? My engine has roller rockers and original style low covers won't fit over rockers and typical cast covers also will not fit. Seems as if I am going to have to go with something taller and I know fitment is an issue. Since I won't have to be removing valve covers for adjustments, what height can I get away with in a cover that will fit under the cowling? Any ideas on brand names that will work in this situation or should I be looking at cover spacers? mark **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 09:58:50 2008 From: David Sosna Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 07:59:28 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT Well, thanks, Bill. I really needed _you_ to tell me how to live my life. I've tried to couch my responses to you in an "agree-to-disagree" form, even including a little humor by making fun of both sides, but you don't seem to want to have any of that. Since I can see where this is going between you and me, I've decided to opt out by setting my message filter to send any future communications from you directly to the trash bin, so feel free to offer whatever pseudo-patriotic flag-waving head-in-the-sand response you want. I won't be reading it. David William Lau wrote: > David if you think people trying their best to get what it takes to run this > great country of ours is a land rapist then you need to quit driving your > Tiger, get a Prius or bicycle and put a Tiger tail on it and turn off your > compute,r turn off the heat and air conditioning only flush twice a week and > drink puddle water because every little bit helps. - Bill -- > > > > > > Yep, one of the things (besides the cost, as Mayf pointed out) was trying to > figure out where to put those heavy propane tanks--there wasn't exactly a > lot of room :-) > And, as you say, the oil figures for ANWR vary depending on whether the > person giving them is a tree-hugger or a land-rapist. > > Best Regards > David > > William Lau wrote: > > I had a friend with a 69 Jeep Commando Wagon years ago and he ran it on > propane. We used it to go on a hunting trip in 1970 and everything worked > OK but the tank was huge and he got less than half the mileage with propane. > He filled it from his house tank so it was cheap but on the open road it was > hard to find and expensive. The tank filled up the entire space in the > rear. > The figures for oil in ANWR vary a lot depending on whether the person > giving them is a tree hugger or a realist. -- Bill -- > > Hmm. > I think I remember seeing something about how all the oil in ANWR would > cover Americas needs for about 6 months and take something like 6 years > before coming online. I could have the time frames wrong. > Rather see more conservation and less tearing up the landscape. > > Best Regards > David Sosna > P.S. I agree--there's no free lunch, though at one time I thought about > trying to convert my Tiger to Propane. We do seem to have a lot of that > here in the U.S. > > > William Lau wrote: > > > There is no free lunch and all of this talk is moot > when we have oil in ANWR province and off the coast of our country and all > we have to do is go get it. -- Bill -- > > > _______________________________________________ > You are subscribed as sosnaenergyconsulting@cox.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sosnaenergyconsulting@cox.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 10:11:10 2008 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: , Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:11:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve cover clearance?? But the 'Tiger' ones from Rick and knock out the baffles. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 10:11:21 2008 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: , Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:11:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve cover clearance?? Forgot to say I run comp cams pro-magnum rollers with no problem with that setup. Not having the baffles doesn't seem to cause any issues either. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 10:12:41 2008 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:13:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT I sense possible political disagreement on the list. ;) Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 10:40:29 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: shutchin@netjets.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:40:42 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve cover clearance?? To those who wrote on the valve covers....I wasn't there when someone tried fitting the valvle covers yesterday. Possibly it is just an issue of removing/grinding the baffles. The other things is that each company producing rockers seems to have different dimensions. These are stainless with a part # of 2331, but I don't have the manufacturer. I'd still be curious to know what the clearance is from cover top to bottom of the cowl. My engine is out and I can't do the measurements. Getting the covers off once installed in the car is not an issue for me. In 42 years I don't think the originals had ever been off until last week:-) Mark **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 12:43:44 2008 From: "Hall Motors" To: "'Scott Hutchinson'" Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 12:44:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT I sense the same thing Scott;) Some more fuel for the fire: Interesting that since at least the 70's there's been dire predictions about there being only so much oil and that we're running out (Canada even passed a law, later rescinded, in the 70's making exports illegal beginning 01/01/80). New finds and technology continue to balloon potential reserves; constrained mainly by environmentalism (and mainly in the US, making us more and more dependent on others). There's even a scientific theory, that hasn't been dispelled to date, that the Earth is actually manufacturing oil (as opposed to the fossil origin theory). It's important to note that the stone age didn't end because we ran out of stone and the oil age likely won't end because we run out of oil. That said, while we're waiting for the continual advance of technology to make oil obsolete, based on reasoned observation and evaluation I have to reject the extreme environmentalism camp that constrains human progress and freedom as has injured the US's security. I also reject the oversimplified and misleading tree hugger and land rapist monikers. Brad Hall 38200609 Couple of Notes: 1) The ANWR estimates in this tread are in the ballpark (based on current technology), but ANWR is just an example - there all kinds of known reserves plus those we don't know of yet being held hostage along with ANWR and our energy independence, and 2) propane is one of the liquids knocked out of natural gas before we burn the residue gas in homes, power plants, etc; while natural gas, and thus propane, production is subject to basically the same advances and constraints as oil, its energy contend is less and it's much more difficult to transport and store. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+hallmotors=cox.net@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+hallmotors=cox.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Hutchinson Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 10:13 AM To: sosnaenergyconsulting@cox.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT I sense possible political disagreement on the list. ;) Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. You are subscribed as hallmotors@cox.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 14:32:51 2008 From: "John Stithem" To: "Tiger List" Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 12:32:52 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Need an early MKI Window regulator Hi All, I posted on the TigerBits site but have not received any response so I thought I'd try here. I need an early MKI Window Regulator. I believe the early (63'?) Alpines had the same regulator. It is the one with two attachment tabs above the window crank. I need a drivers side. If anyone can help, please contact me off list. I posted pictures of the two different type of regulators on the TigerBits site so you could see the one I need.. Thanks, John mai65tai@sonic.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 14:49:31 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:49:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT The sad part of this is that most that push foolish processes know better, but are going to get money for doing what they know is a waste of time and resources. It takes 500 pounds of corn to get 10 gallons of Ethanol and that isn't counting how much oil it takes to get the corn grown, harvested, processed and delivered. Any scientist knows this, but if money, especially government money, is being collected truth will not be told by them. -- Bill -- I sense the same thing Scott;) Some more fuel for the fire: Interesting that since at least the 70's there's been dire predictions about there being only so much oil and that we're running out (Canada even passed a law, later rescinded, in the 70's making exports illegal beginning 01/01/80). New finds and technology continue to balloon potential reserves; constrained mainly by environmentalism (and mainly in the US, making us more and more dependent on others). There's even a scientific theory, that hasn't been dispelled to date, that the Earth is actually manufacturing oil (as opposed to the fossil origin theory). It's important to note that the stone age didn't end because we ran out of stone and the oil age likely won't end because we run out of oil. That said, while we're waiting for the continual advance of technology to make oil obsolete, based on reasoned observation and evaluation I have to reject the extreme environmentalism camp that constrains human progress and freedom as has injured the US's security. I also reject the oversimplified and misleading tree hugger and land rapist monikers. Brad Hall 38200609 Couple of Notes: 1) The ANWR estimates in this tread are in the ballpark (based on current technology), but ANWR is just an example - there all kinds of known reserves plus those we don't know of yet being held hostage along with ANWR and our energy independence, and 2) propane is one of the liquids knocked out of natural gas before we burn the residue gas in homes, power plants, etc; while natural gas, and thus propane, production is subject to basically the same advances and constraints as oil, its energy contend is less and it's much more difficult to transport and store. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. You are subscribed as hallmotors@cox.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as mrlau@charter.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 15:01:11 2008 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:59:25 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Tiger Parts and EBay Alan, That original throw out bearing must be worth more than a mere $500.... Check the ad in the current Hemmings for an "original Tiger 260 and top loader four-speed". Going to the seller's website, http://www.larrykay.com/64FalconR/index.html, I see the price is only $7,850. Of course, that includes the '64 Ranchero is which the engine and transmission are now installed, along with a six-cylinder engine and automatic that could be put in the Ranchero when the Tiger engine and transmission are taken out. I e-mailed the seller and all he has to indicate that these are Tiger components is the Rootes engine sticker on the valve cover and a story from the former owner that another former owner somewhere along the line wrecked his Tiger and moved the engine and trans to his Ranchero. A. C. Tynes New Orleans > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces+v8tracker=gmail.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > > bounces+v8tracker=gmail.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alan Zeni > > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:30 AM > > To: tiger > > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Parts and EBay > > > > I just finished pulling the motor and took the tranny and bellhousing of > > and, > > lo and behold, it looks like an original throw out bearing complete with > > zirk > > (zerc,zirc, whatever) fitting. Should I start the bidding at > > $500.......... > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as v8tracker@gmail.com > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 15:14:00 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:11:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT This is correct but the big worry is if the government with its P.C. policies continues to implements alternative fuels that take more fossil fuel to process than the amount of alternative fuel made. A small team of engineers can quickly calculate whether an idea is realistic. If any of these ideas that are flying around were viable, private enterprise would be all over them to make a profit. The ideas only stay around because of a few pie in the sky enthusiasts who really don't know but instead wish. I know I am ready to put some Hi test in my Tiger and push the loud pedal to WOT where the mileage is very poor and put the smell the burning rubber in the air while we are still allowed. - Bill -- _____ From: CoolVT@aol.com [mailto:CoolVT@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 2:55 PM To: mrlau@charter.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT I agree, it may not be worth it now, but will it be worth it if gas hits $7 or $8 per gallon? How will people, who are currently against drilling in "sensitive areas", feel if gas reaches $7 or $8? My guess is that people who are fanatically against it might continue to be so, but the people on the border of this thinking will be begging for drilling. M _____ Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos . _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 15:19:33 2008 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: , Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:16:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT Don't worry ladies and gents Adam Smith's invisible hand will solve it all in the end. Think I'm gonna get a pellet stove and a solar panel for the roof this year so that I can still afford to toss the hi test in the tiger. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 16:33:30 2008 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:34:23 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] I'm Baffled "Forgot to say I run comp cams pro-magnum rollers with no problem with that setup. Not having the baffles doesn't seem to cause any issues either. " Someone a while back mentioned that they removed the baffles and had oil seeping out of the oil filler hole. They put the baffle back in after raising the mounting points. He was using the Tiger aluminum valve cover. I thought Tom Hall mentioned his web site sold a spacer that fits between the valve cover and head to give enough space for roller rockers. You may be able to double up on the gasket for enough space. I need to find out also because I have a rebuilt 260 with roller cam to put in my car. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 17:10:08 2008 From: "Jim" To: "'Jeffrey Nichols'" , Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:10:01 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] I'm Baffled My engine builder installed Ford 'Racing' valve covers with the baffles removed and a little grinding on the baffle mounting boss on one side. He assured me that it wouldn't be a problem as the oil passages have restrictors in them because of the roller rockers and there isn't really that much oil splashing about. One big bonus to have them fit that easily is that the TrickFlow heads have the cover mounting flanges cast about 1/4" higher than stock heads. This all fits easily under the bulkhead but of course not enough to get the covers off...especially with the tall locks on the rockers... I finally received my backordered 'Tiger' covers ( after the engine install) and I would think that they are not quite as tall as the motorsport ones...but close... Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jim=island.net@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jim=island.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols Sent: April 19, 2008 2:34 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] I'm Baffled "Forgot to say I run comp cams pro-magnum rollers with no problem with that setup. Not having the baffles doesn't seem to cause any issues either. " Someone a while back mentioned that they removed the baffles and had oil seeping out of the oil filler hole. They put the baffle back in after raising the mounting points. He was using the Tiger aluminum valve cover. I thought Tom Hall mentioned his web site sold a spacer that fits between the valve cover and head to give enough space for roller rockers. You may be able to double up on the gasket for enough space. I need to find out also because I have a rebuilt 260 with roller cam to put in my car. Jeff You are subscribed as jim@island.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 19 19:03:26 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:03:52 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] The Three Laws of Thermodynamis I wrote, previously, about the "Three Laws of Thermodynamics. Since these laws may be unclear to a great many people, by response, I have attempted to /" 'splain/ " the meanings. But they may not "simple" to the non-scientific audience. (Not a gripe, just a fact.) My "simplification" (not original) was: 1. You cannot win. 2. You can't break even 3. You can't get out of the game The scientific statement is somewhat esoteric, requiring a knowledge of mathematics and thermodynamics: 1. If a system undergoes a thermodynamic cycle, whether it becomes warmer, cooler, larger, or smaller, then it will have the same amount of energy each time it returns to a particular state. Mathematically speaking, energy is a state function and infinitesimal changes in the energy are exact differentials. i.e., "No change in energy in a closed system" can be loosely described as "You can't win!" 2. In a simple manner, the second law states that "energy systems have a tendency to increase their entropy" rather than decrease it. i.e., "No change in energy in a closed system" can be loosely described as "You can't break even!" 3. The third law states "As temperature approaches absolute zero the entropy of a system approaches a constant minimum." i.e. can be thought of as meaning you can't evade the first two laws. or "You can't get out of the game" If you would like to read a FULL description you can try "Wikipedia" a "more thorough description: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics The actually have been working since before the universe began. Our understanding of them started in 1824, when first formulated. Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 20 00:37:10 2008 From: sunbeam john To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:37:09 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] British License Plate Does anyone know where I can buy a British License Plate that has black background with silver letters? They appear to be 18 to 24 inches wide and 6 to 8 inches high. Thank you, John sunbeamjohn@msn.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 20 01:19:20 2008 From: "Tiger Man" To: "sunbeam john" , Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 00:19:29 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] British License Plate I bought one ebay last year, custom made to whatever you would like it to say. Mine is 65 TIGER I thought it was a nice job, and they claim they are authentic and everything, but I do believe based on some pics I saw of real UK classic plates, that the '5' would have been shaped slightly differently than the on my vanity plate (in order to make it look less like an 'S') Overall, a nice vanity plate. I found someone else who sold European license plate holders, so that it would be easier to bolt on (I haven't tested that out, since I only planned on using it at a car show if I ever go. The guy I bought the plate from on ebay was http://myworld.ebay.com/driver8zzz/ I have no connection or interest in that vendor, other than to say I was a satisfied customer. Thanks, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "sunbeam john" To: Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 11:37 PM Subject: [Tigers] British License Plate > Does anyone know where I can buy a British License Plate that has black > background with silver letters? They appear to be 18 to 24 inches wide > and 6 > to 8 inches high. > Thank you, > John > sunbeamjohn@msn.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tigerman67@hotmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 20 01:42:17 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: sunbeam john Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] British License Plate I got one from this place - http://www.licenseplates.tv/cat/great_britain_242.html came out very nice, have every country and styles for different years, here it is on my GT40 http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/RCR40.html HTH Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: sunbeam john To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 10:37:09 PM Subject: [Tigers] British License Plate Does anyone know where I can buy a British License Plate that has black background with silver letters? They appear to be 18 to 24 inches wide and 6 to 8 inches high. Thank you, John sunbeamjohn@msn.com You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 20 02:43:29 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Sandy Ganz" , "sunbeam john" Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:43:55 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] British License Plate Classicplate.com or classicplates.com based in the uk. That's what I run on my car in the UK. Very authentic. On 4/20/08, Sandy Ganz wrote: > I got one from this place - > > http://www.licenseplates.tv/cat/great_britain_242.html > > came out very nice, have every country and styles for different years, here > it is on my GT40 > > http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/RCR40.html > > HTH > > Sandy > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: sunbeam john > To: "tigers@autox.team.net" > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 10:37:09 PM > Subject: [Tigers] British License Plate > > Does anyone know where I can buy a British License Plate that has black > background with silver letters? They appear to be 18 to 24 inches wide and > 6 > to 8 inches high. > Thank you, > John > sunbeamjohn@msn.com > You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 20 05:50:36 2008 From: "Jim Parent" To: "'sunbeam john'" , Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 06:51:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] British License Plate --===============0014178942== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.licenseplates.tv/prod/britainuk_euro_licen_2033.html Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1383 - Release Date: 4/17/2008 9:00 AM --===============0014178942== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============0014178942==-- From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 20 08:06:13 2008 From: Carmods@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 09:06:39 EDT Subject: [Tigers] I'm Baffled Someone a while back mentioned that they removed the baffles and had oil seeping out of the oil filler hole. That may be me. However, without the baffles, the oil got sucked up through the PCV into the intake. I reinstalled the baffles closer to the cover surface and use two gaskets. I'm not sure how you can run without baffles unless you run without PCV, which is not good. John Logan **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 20 08:27:08 2008 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 09:27:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Laws of Thermodynamics Steve's original statement of the Laws of Thermodynamics as given by C.P. Snow are pretty succinct and an easy way to remember them. When stated in the usual language of physics, they do become a little less clear to the layman. Whichever way you prefer, I would add a couple of things as an attempt at clarification and elaboration. The First Law is also known as the Law of Conservation of Energy. Most people have heard of this, but it simply states that the total amount of energy in an isolated system is constant. That is, energy can be converted from one form to another, but cannot be created or destroyed. Automobile engines operated by converting the chemical energy stored in gasoline into heat. Engine modifications to gain power are involved with finding ways to convert the energy content in gasoline into heat more rapidly. Power is the measure of how fast energy is being converted. You can, of course, use gasoline with more energy content (i.e. higher octane) as well, but the principle remains - energy in = energy out. The Second Law, also known as the Law of Entropy, concerns itself with more practical matters. It basically says that energy conversions involve "losses". Most of the time these losses appear as heat, which is just the random motion of molecules. In an automobile engine, when the chemical energy stored in the gasoline is converted into motion of the engine, some of the energy is also converted to heat due to friction. This turns out to be quite a bit of energy, so most automobile engines are not very efficient devices. The Second Law also explains why many processes, even though they do not violate the First Law, are not seen to take place. That is why many processes that can be observed in a film run backwards seem so strange - they represent processes which diminish the amount of Entropy (or disorder) in a system. Put simply, things run downhill spontaneously, not uphill. It is on the basis of this law that perpetual motion devices are precluded. One can get into a lot of philosophical discussions with the Law of Entropy and the implications it has for the direction of time, etc. One other interesting aspect of this law is that it is not absolutely true, in the sense that it is a statement of statistical probabilities. Finally, these laws operate whether we wish them to or not. Consequently, it would, indeed, be helpful if those who determine the policies of our government with regard to energy could take the time to understand them. The comments of a couple of folks in this forum regarding the conversion of corn into ethanol and the possibility of using hydrogen power for vehicles might be better understood in light of these laws. Tod B382002384LRXFE (constantly generating entropy in my little corner of the universe) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 20 10:06:17 2008 From: rfeibusch1@earthlink.net To: sunbeam john Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:06:10 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Tigers] British License Plate John, I have a perfect condition matched pair that have an interesting story (used in a series of British home market Kellog's cereal commercials that were shot in the San Francisco Bay Area in 1989 - I supplied the cars....) that I will sell you ....... but Moss motors used to offer these aluminium plates pressed with any numbers that you wanted - I used to have my California numbers pressed into the plates and drive for months aronnd SF in my Morris Minors before anyone would say anything - check with them as well. I would like $45 postpaid for the pair. Best Rick Feibusch Event Coordinator, The Sierra Point British Car Meet Tour, Swap Meet and Show in Brisbane, CA Sept 6th & 7th, 2008 310-392-6605 cell - 319-977-1087 Venice, CA essage: 10 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:37:09 -0700 From: sunbeam john Subject: [Tigers] British License Plate To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone know where I can buy a British License Plate that has black background with silver letters? They appear to be 18 to 24 inches wide and 6 to 8 inches high. Thank you, John sunbeamjohn@msn.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 20 12:28:41 2008 From: "Andy Walker" To: "Sandy Ganz" , "sunbeam john" Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:28:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] British License Plate Cool 40, Sandy!!!! 1075 is my favorite of all time as well. Great job!!! Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" To: "sunbeam john" Cc: Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] British License Plate >I got one from this place - > > http://www.licenseplates.tv/cat/great_britain_242.html > > came out very nice, have every country and styles for different years, > here it is on my GT40 > > http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/RCR40.html > > HTH > > Sandy > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: sunbeam john > To: "tigers@autox.team.net" > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 10:37:09 PM > Subject: [Tigers] British License Plate > > Does anyone know where I can buy a British License Plate that has black > background with silver letters? They appear to be 18 to 24 inches wide > and 6 > to 8 inches high. > Thank you, > John > sunbeamjohn@msn.com > You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as awtiger@cox.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 20 12:31:36 2008 From: "Andy Walker" To: "sunbeam john" , Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:31:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] British License Plate John: I got my British plate from Triple-C Motoring Accessories. Very reasonable on price, if I remember correctly. See the link below: http://www.triple-c.com/ Best of luck, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006859LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: "sunbeam john" To: Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 12:37 AM Subject: [Tigers] British License Plate > Does anyone know where I can buy a British License Plate that has black > background with silver letters? They appear to be 18 to 24 inches wide > and 6 > to 8 inches high. > Thank you, > John > sunbeamjohn@msn.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as awtiger@cox.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 20 20:45:27 2008 From: 65tiger@comcast.net To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:45:36 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] how to sign onto the newsgroup Can someone post the "subscribe tigers" newsgroup method? There is a new member who needs this but I don't remember the instructions to sign up. thanks, Curtis -------------- Original message ---------------------- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 20 20:51:44 2008 From: Theo Smit To: 65tiger@comcast.net Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:04:06 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] how to sign onto the newsgroup Go here http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers and follow the instructions. Cheers, Theo ... this morning it was 10 F outside (-12 C) and we have about eight inches of snow on the ground. 65tiger@comcast.net wrote: > Can someone post the "subscribe tigers" newsgroup method? > There is a new member who needs this but I don't remember the instructions to sign up. > > thanks, > Curtis _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 08:54:08 2008 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:54:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT Ok, that's it. I cannot stand all this eco-pressure. Enough is enough, I quit! Tonight, I'm tearing that 300 HP gas-guzzling beast of a 289 out of my car and replacing it with an Alpine powertrain. But before I do, I need to know what I else I have to do to make my car as authentic an Alpine as I can. - Since I own a Mk1A, I would assume I would need to follow any and all pathways to convert it to a Series V Alpine. Am I correct? - The tach and wooden steering wheel need to be replaced with suitable Alpine components, but I'm a little hazy on the center consol, any guidance? - That battery box thing will be a bit tricky, I will have to remove the Holley fuel pump and replicate a battery box, someone have the dimensions? - I can move the spare tire up into the well, but do I need to air-chisel out the Tiger's mount? Do I throw out the trunk platform and attachment hooks? - The chrome side trim and "Tiger" emblems need to be removed, but what to do with the trim mount rivets sticking out. Any suggestions? - The 1725 would be correct for a Series V, but could I get better mileage out of the original 1500? Thoughts? - How much of the transmission tunnel do I have to beat back into shape? Can I just cut another hole for the Alpine shifter, or do I need to weld in a cover plate over the Tiger shifter's location? - What about those pesky access holes for the Tiger's shift linkage, rocker cover, and number 8 spark plug, ignore or weld up? - Will the Salisbury rear end work (mine's a 3.21 posi), or do I need to get an Alpine rear axel assembly? Since I'm going eco, which OD unit is best? - I don't know if I can live without our beloved negative Ackerman issues, can I keep the rack-and-pinion or do I have to convert to the Alpine worm box? - Shocks an springs are another issue, do I keep the Konis or go back to the old blue stock ones? - I know my massive aluminum Griffin radiator has to go, but does using a partially-plugged stock Tiger radiator count or do I need to be strict here and only use stock Alpine components? - Of course, since my car was not an original Alpine but merely a conversion, I cannot actually call it an Alpine. I know Alger is taken, how about "Tipine"? I'm sure there are many other conversion items I have missed, so please admonish me at your will for my lack of "Alpine-ness" and give me your best insight. Be sure to include a stamped, self-addressed envelope... Bugz Tongue firmly planted in cheek. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 08:58:48 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: mark.rense@ge.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:58:38 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT If your intention is to perpetuate a fraud, please don't ask for the list's help in doing so. You are on your own. :-) **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 09:09:53 2008 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: , Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:09:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT Mark, I in no way wish to deceive anyone, but I would like the Tiger-to-Alpine conversion to at least be faithful to the casual eye. Besides, my next step may be to just transplant an entire Prius power train into the car. I understand all those batteries in the boot could really give the old girl some traction! Of course, then I'd have to call it a Ti-yota.... Bugz :>) ________________________________ From: CoolVT@aol.com [mailto:CoolVT@aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:59 AM To: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd); tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT If your intention is to perpetuate a fraud, please don't ask for the list's help in doing so. You are on your own. :-) ________________________________ Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos . _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 09:22:48 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: tiger Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:12:42 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] midget rack just thought i'd share my first impressions after putting in the midget steering rack. i put just under 200 miles on the car over the weekend mainly on country roads. its absolutely fantastic! gone is the horrible understeer in tight corners and the tight ratio makes fast cornering so much easier. setting the toe is a breeze with straight adjustable tie rods. my car used to wander badly on bumpy roads at speed but of course i'm also benefiting from the straightening of my crossmember which i did at the same time so i imagine most of my gains in directional stability come from that. in fact i actually didn't bother to set the caster/camber yet, and am using no shims. there is visibily positive camber and i'm still so impressed i can hardly be bothered to break out the caster/camber gauge at all! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 09:23:38 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Rense, Mark \(GE Indust, ConsInd\)" , Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:15:57 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT I have a SV chassis... you can come cut off the parts you need and weld them into your Tigpine wannabe ;) My Echo gets in the mid-40 miles per US gallon. It's got an 1500 CC engine, so if you wanted your conversion to be eco friendly and pay at least some lip service to the Alpine heritage you could use that engine... and with 108 HP it'll be faster than the original too. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Sent: April 21, 2008 7:54 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT Ok, that's it. I cannot stand all this eco-pressure. Enough is enough, I quit! Tonight, I'm tearing that 300 HP gas-guzzling beast of a 289 out of my car and replacing it with an Alpine powertrain. But before I do, I need to know what I else I have to do to make my car as authentic an Alpine as I can. Bugz Tongue firmly planted in cheek. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 09:24:44 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Sandy Ganz" , "sunbeam john" Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:18:38 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] British License Plate oops, sorry - the web site is actually: http://www.classic-number-plate.com/ On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > Classicplate.com or classicplates.com based in the uk. That's what I > run on my car in the UK. Very authentic. > > > > > > On 4/20/08, Sandy Ganz wrote: > > I got one from this place - > > > > http://www.licenseplates.tv/cat/great_britain_242.html > > > > came out very nice, have every country and styles for different years, here > > it is on my GT40 > > > > http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/RCR40.html > > > > HTH > > > > Sandy > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: sunbeam john > > To: "tigers@autox.team.net" > > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 10:37:09 PM > > Subject: [Tigers] British License Plate > > > > Does anyone know where I can buy a British License Plate that has black > > background with silver letters? They appear to be 18 to 24 inches wide and > > 6 > > to 8 inches high. > > Thank you, > > John > > sunbeamjohn@msn.com > > You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 09:28:04 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Smit, Theo" Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:25:53 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT sadly, i think the alpine engine is not more economical than the small block with a four barrel. you'd be better off just putting a five speed in :) On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > I have a SV chassis... you can come cut off the parts you need and weld > them into your Tigpine wannabe ;) > > My Echo gets in the mid-40 miles per US gallon. It's got an 1500 CC > engine, so if you wanted your conversion to be eco friendly and pay at > least some lip service to the Alpine heritage you could use that > engine... and with 108 HP it'll be faster than the original too. > Theo > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) > Sent: April 21, 2008 7:54 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT > > > Ok, that's it. I cannot stand all this eco-pressure. Enough is enough, I > quit! Tonight, I'm tearing that 300 HP gas-guzzling beast of a 289 out > of my car and replacing it with an Alpine powertrain. But before I do, I > need to know what I else I have to do to make my car as authentic an > Alpine as I can. > > > Bugz > Tongue firmly planted in cheek. > _______________________________________________ > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 09:31:20 2008 From: Carmods@aol.com To: mark.rense@ge.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:30:43 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger to Alpine Conversion Bugz You are in luck. We have complete Tiger-to-Alpine conversion kits available. They include all required parts from axle to tunnel to Alpine scrip and of course the necessary Alpine title, data plate, SAL tag and Certificate of Authenticity. There is even a package of our reproduced original rivets for the data plate. The cost is $9,999 plus the replaced Tiger parts and shipping. There is no guarantee that your carbon foot print will be reduced but we will send you a Gore certificate anyway. **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 09:46:58 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:46:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT In an earlier post someone had some Alpine wheels for only $295 per wheel if that will help you meet your goal. I'm sure you can trade your Tiger engine to the same seller for an early (smaller) Alpine engine but be prepared to pay the difference. -- Bill -- Ok, that's it. I cannot stand all this eco-pressure. Enough is enough, I quit! Tonight, I'm tearing that 300 HP gas-guzzling beast of a 289 out of my car and replacing it with an Alpine powertrain. But before I do, I need to know what I else I have to do to make my car as authentic an Alpine as I can. - Since I own a Mk1A, I would assume I would need to follow any and all pathways to convert it to a Series V Alpine. Am I correct? - The tach and wooden steering wheel need to be replaced with suitable Alpine components, but I'm a little hazy on the center consol, any guidance? - That battery box thing will be a bit tricky, I will have to remove the Holley fuel pump and replicate a battery box, someone have the dimensions? - I can move the spare tire up into the well, but do I need to air-chisel out the Tiger's mount? Do I throw out the trunk platform and attachment hooks? - The chrome side trim and "Tiger" emblems need to be removed, but what to do with the trim mount rivets sticking out. Any suggestions? - The 1725 would be correct for a Series V, but could I get better mileage out of the original 1500? Thoughts? - How much of the transmission tunnel do I have to beat back into shape? Can I just cut another hole for the Alpine shifter, or do I need to weld in a cover plate over the Tiger shifter's location? - What about those pesky access holes for the Tiger's shift linkage, rocker cover, and number 8 spark plug, ignore or weld up? - Will the Salisbury rear end work (mine's a 3.21 posi), or do I need to get an Alpine rear axel assembly? Since I'm going eco, which OD unit is best? - I don't know if I can live without our beloved negative Ackerman issues, can I keep the rack-and-pinion or do I have to convert to the Alpine worm box? - Shocks an springs are another issue, do I keep the Konis or go back to the old blue stock ones? Bugz Tongue firmly planted in cheek. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 09:47:51 2008 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: , Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:47:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger to Alpine Conversion That's great news! What is the cost if I keep all those old, unwanted Tiger-only parts? With the price of Authentic Tiger power trains going through the roof, I can recover most of the kit's cost by eBaying all that discarded, eco-unfriendly, non-green Tiger stuff. If I follow all the directions, will it pass an A.A.C. inspection committee? Bugz :0) ________________________________ From: Carmods@aol.com [mailto:Carmods@aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:31 AM To: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd); tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Tiger to Alpine Conversion Bugz You are in luck. We have complete Tiger-to-Alpine conversion kits available. They include all required parts from axle to tunnel to Alpine scrip and of course the necessary Alpine title, data plate, SAL tag and Certificate of Authenticity. There is even a package of our reproduced original rivets for the data plate. The cost is $9,999 plus the replaced Tiger parts and shipping. There is no guarantee that your carbon foot print will be reduced but we will send you a Gore certificate anyway. ________________________________ Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos . _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 10:02:09 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:57:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger to Alpine Conversion If you follow all the directions Al Gore himself will autograph it which will make all of the Carroll Shelby autographs worthless. He might even give you a DVD of his movie "Earth in a Lurch" and buy a few carbon credits from you so he can use more electricity and ride in a limo. -- Bill -- That's great news! What is the cost if I keep all those old, unwanted Tiger-only parts? With the price of Authentic Tiger power trains going through the roof, I can recover most of the kit's cost by eBaying all that discarded, eco-unfriendly, non-green Tiger stuff. If I follow all the directions, will it pass an A.A.C. inspection committee? Bugz :0) ________________________________ From: Carmods@aol.com [mailto:Carmods@aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:31 AM To: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd); tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Tiger to Alpine Conversion Bugz You are in luck. We have complete Tiger-to-Alpine conversion kits available. They include all required parts from axle to tunnel to Alpine scrip and of course the necessary Alpine title, data plate, SAL tag and Certificate of Authenticity. There is even a package of our reproduced original rivets for the data plate. The cost is $9,999 plus the replaced Tiger parts and shipping. There is no guarantee that your carbon foot print will be reduced but we will send you a Gore certificate anyway. ________________________________ Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos . You are subscribed as mrlau@charter.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 10:02:49 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:58:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT Thank you Mark. As you can see by a recent post by Theo, your efforts to "Alpinize" your Tiger will help turn the tide. Comment by Theo: >>>... this morning it was 10 F outside (-12 C) and we have about eight inches of snow on the ground.<<< Obvously this is just one more effect of global warming. Everyone knows Theo should have been seen 9 F (-12.777777777777778 C ) and 8-1/16" snow on the ground. Sorry, I was going to stay out of this, but I just couldn't resist. Tom ;-) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 10:08:25 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:07:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Knott's Ford Show Hi, I went to the Knott's Ford Car Show this weekend. I'm not complaining, just curious. There was only one 'real' Tiger (a survivor with lots of "patina")and a nicely done Alger. Is there a boycott of the event? In part I went to see my Pinto brethren, so I had a nice day. I just thought I would see more Tigers (or even an Alpine - well..., I sort of did) given the number of Tigers in the general area. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 10:34:55 2008 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "Thomas Witt" , Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:34:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Knott's Ford Show Tom: The Knotts show had been a regular calendar event for C.A.T members for many years. The event became less desirable when the waterpark was built and the show lost the capacity for approximately 400 cars. This created a pinch for the organizers and the registration became tighter. Also, an interested participant could enter the show a couple of months prior to the show, but with the reduction in the number of spaces available the time required to enter became over one year. That, combined with an early arrival time and no exiting the event until after 3:00 p.m., may be some of the reason for the near extinction of Tigers at that event. I have never entered the show, but usually visit with the Tiger owners, which is where I gleaned the above information. I intended to go to the 2008 show as a spectator, but forgot... Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:08 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Knott's Ford Show Hi, I went to the Knott's Ford Car Show this weekend. I'm not complaining, just curious. There was only one 'real' Tiger (a survivor with lots of "patina")and a nicely done Alger. Is there a boycott of the event? In part I went to see my Pinto brethren, so I had a nice day. I just thought I would see more Tigers (or even an Alpine - well..., I sort of did) given the number of Tigers in the general area. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 10:35:48 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: Thomas Witt , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Knott's Ford Show I went as well. I think they should just change out the name of the show to the Mustang show, nothing wrong with that, but I don't need to see 300 late models and ton of 5.oh's. Still some good cars, just not much compared to the amount of stang's Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Thomas Witt To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:07:53 AM Subject: [Tigers] Knott's Ford Show Hi, I went to the Knott's Ford Car Show this weekend. I'm not complaining, just curious. There was only one 'real' Tiger (a survivor with lots of "patina")and a nicely done Alger. Is there a boycott of the event? In part I went to see my Pinto brethren, so I had a nice day. I just thought I would see more Tigers (or even an Alpine - well..., I sort of did) given the number of Tigers in the general area. Tom You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 11:35:03 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:29:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Knott's Ford Show Jere, Thanks for the explanation. It does stand to reason the absence given the difficulties stated. At least this year the Tiger/Alpine section was pretty much by itself. There must have been five or more empty spaces on each side. Sandy, I agree. There was something about too many late model, or too many -any- model cars that seem to diminish the "speciality" of the show. Other than to glance the early Mustangs on the way out I basically focused on the "lesser" (which I feel was greater) offerings. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 12:28:48 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Euro and other plates I just found this in my email box, should have posted sooner, as it ends today, April 21... 10 % Coupon code http://www.licenseplates.tv You must enter the coupon code while ordering to receive the discount. COUPON CODE: LPRG2178 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 13:22:50 2008 From: Peter Laurinaitis To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] heater core installation quick questions (didnt find an answer on TE/AE site): (1) when re-assembling the heater core, what kind of gasket/stripping do folks use to plant the core down against the base of the "box", silicone rubber for heat resistance? can seem to find the right stripping, preferably self-adhesive. should the stripping run around the bottom hole, and also up the back and top of the core (like in the diagram on SS web site)? (2) for the rubber duckbill piece - is it best to install this part from within the car, or from the box the heater core resides in? (3) anyone hanging onto a spare duckbill they'd be willing to sell, mine was cracked, hardened and shredded from the arizona heat thks! peter Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02@wharton.upenn.edu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 13:23:43 2008 From: Peter Laurinaitis To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] LAT 79 hood hold downs question for those who have a LAT 79 hood... i am getting one installed on my car (kent wilcox hood), but have heard that at highway speeds the rear corners start to bounce up and down with air trying to escape, and other than maybe some annoying noise, the concern is the center catch might start to stress the fiberglass where the catch mounts to. i have seen folks install instead a catch at each of the rear corners, like this... http://www.jegs.com/i/Mr.%20Gasket/720/1472/10002/-1 ...for those with LAT hoods, have you experienced the rear corner bounce and would you recommend going for mounts at each rear corner instead of just the center catch that is OEM? thks peter Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02@wharton.upenn.edu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 13:37:35 2008 From: "Greg Koss" To: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:28:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] LAT 79 hood hold downs There are adjustable rubber bumpers at the rear corners. >>> Peter Laurinaitis 4/21/2008 2:22 PM >>> question for those who have a LAT 79 hood... i am getting one installed on my car (kent wilcox hood), but have heard that at highway speeds the rear corners start to bounce up and down with air trying to escape, and other than maybe some annoying noise, the concern is the center catch might start to stress the fiberglass where the catch mounts to. i have seen folks install instead a catch at each of the rear corners, like this... http://www.jegs.com/i/Mr.%20Gasket/720/1472/10002/-1 ...for those with LAT hoods, have you experienced the rear corner bounce and would you recommend going for mounts at each rear corner instead of just the center catch that is OEM? thks peter Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02@wharton.upenn.edu You are subscribed as greg.koss@trw.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 13:38:20 2008 From: "Greg Koss" To: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:29:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] LAT 79 hood hold downs There are adjustable rubber bumpers at the rear corners. >>> Peter Laurinaitis 4/21/2008 2:22 PM >>> question for those who have a LAT 79 hood... i am getting one installed on my car (kent wilcox hood), but have heard that at highway speeds the rear corners start to bounce up and down with air trying to escape, and other than maybe some annoying noise, the concern is the center catch might start to stress the fiberglass where the catch mounts to. i have seen folks install instead a catch at each of the rear corners, like this... http://www.jegs.com/i/Mr. Gasket/720/1472/10002/ ( http://www.jegs.com/i/Mr.%20Gasket/720/1472/10002/ )-1 ...for those with LAT hoods, have you experienced the rear corner bounce and would you recommend going for mounts at each rear corner instead of just the center catch that is OEM? thks peter Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02@wharton.upenn.edu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 13:54:28 2008 From: Peter Laurinaitis To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] heater core installation oops, let me clarify one thing, i am looking for the entire rubber assembly that connects the blower to the heater core box, not just the duckbill thks peter --- Peter Laurinaitis wrote: > quick questions (didnt find an answer on TE/AE site): > > (1) when re-assembling the heater core, what kind of gasket/stripping do > folks > use to plant the core down against the base of the "box", silicone rubber for > heat resistance? can seem to find the right stripping, preferably > self-adhesive. should the stripping run around the bottom hole, and also up > the back and top of the core (like in the diagram on SS web site)? > > (2) for the rubber duckbill piece - is it best to install this part from > within > the car, or from the box the heater core resides in? > > (3) anyone hanging onto a spare duckbill they'd be willing to sell, mine was > cracked, hardened and shredded from the arizona heat > > thks! > peter > > Peter Laurinaitis > peter.laurinaitis.wg02@wharton.upenn.edu > Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02@wharton.upenn.edu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 14:55:51 2008 From: "RObin Young" To: , Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:31:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] heater core installation oops, let me clarify one thing, i am looking for the entire rubber assembly that connects the blower to the heater core box, not just the duckbill thks Peter Peter, mine was as you described yours, brittle and cracked. Since none were available, I used rubber cement and rubber sheets to patch it together. This worked fairly well and the cement gave the piece some temporary softness instead of brittleness. Robin Young _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 14:56:48 2008 From: To: Sandy Ganz Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:33:08 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Knott's Ford Show I think another reason might be that this month has seen a lot of C.A.T. events, in fact three out of four weekends, so some of us needed to take care of household duties or head to the Grand Prix in L.B. ---- Sandy Ganz wrote: > I went as well. I think they should just change out the name of the show to the Mustang show, nothing wrong with that, but I don't need to see 300 late models and ton of 5.oh's. Still some good cars, just not much compared to the amount of stang's > > Sandy > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Thomas Witt > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:07:53 AM > Subject: [Tigers] Knott's Ford Show > > Hi, > I went to the Knott's Ford Car Show this weekend. I'm not complaining, just > curious. There was only one 'real' Tiger (a survivor with lots of > "patina")and a nicely done Alger. Is there a boycott of the event? In part I > went to see my Pinto brethren, so I had a nice day. I just thought I would see > more Tigers (or even an Alpine - well..., I sort of did) given the number of > Tigers in the general area. > > Tom > You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mmichels@socal.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 15:25:16 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: peter.laurinaitis.wg02@wharton.upenn.edu Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:54:10 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] LAT 79 hood hold downs Peter, My LAT hood has metal threaded plates embedded to hold the hood down with the stock latches, and for the front hinge mounting. Due to increased thickness of the "glass" hood the front hinge mounts may need some adjusting shims removed (save them and the original hood in case your heirs want to sell it) Another "adjustment" needed is to shave down the "rubber baby buggy bumpers" on the sides to allow for thickness changes. Never had a problem with these adjustment is place. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Peter Laurinaitis wrote: > question for those who have a LAT 79 hood... > > i am getting one installed on my car (kent wilcox hood), but have heard that at > highway speeds the rear corners start to bounce up and down with air trying to > escape, and other than maybe some annoying noise, the concern is the center > catch might start to stress the fiberglass where the catch mounts to. > > i have seen folks install instead a catch at each of the rear corners, like > this... > > http://www.jegs.com/i/Mr.%20Gasket/720/1472/10002/-1 > > ...for those with LAT hoods, have you experienced the rear corner bounce and > would you recommend going for mounts at each rear corner instead of just the > center catch that is OEM? > > thks > peter _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 16:00:14 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:43:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] heater core installation I'm not familiar with what the piece you are looking for is shaped like but it is possible to take some of the new Styrofoam and carve it to whatever shape you want. It can even be glued together if the shape is odd or if you make a mistake and don't want to redo the whole thing. An electric knife will cut it easily. Some of the Styrofoam's are even a little soft like is mentioned below. -- Bill -- that connects the blower to the heater core box, not just the duckbill thks Peter Peter, mine was as you described yours, brittle and cracked. Since none were available, I used rubber cement and rubber sheets to patch it together. This worked fairly well and the cement gave the piece some temporary softness instead of brittleness. Robin Young _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 17:14:44 2008 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:00:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Conversion In the future, there will be those who will look at our cars and wonder "What were they thinking?" We owe it to future generations to not only stop the gross pollution caused by our Tigers but also to take them off the road and preserve them. It seems to me the ecologically correct procedure is to donate our Tigers to an auto museum so that they can be preserved. You can then take the tax write off and put it toward a crotch rocket. They use very little precious gasoline and there would be no sacrifice in performance. Does Norton make a diesel? Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 17:45:21 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:28:26 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Conversion This is a small part from an article about Al Gore being dissed by animal activists on Fox News web page today. From now on anytime we drive our Tigers hard we need to eat a banana, peach or orange. No hamburgers or hot dogs unless in your Prius. -- Bill -- (((((A recent report published by the United Nations determined that raising animals for food generates about 40 percent more greenhouse gas emissions than all the cars, trucks, ships and planes in the world combined. "Livestock are one of the most significant contributors to today's most serious environmental problems," said Henning Steinfeld, chief of the Food and Agriculture Organization's Livestock Information and Policy branch and senior author of the report. Urgent action is required to remedy the situation.")))))) In the future, there will be those who will look at our cars and wonder "What were they thinking?" We owe it to future generations to not only stop the gross pollution caused by our Tigers but also to take them off the road and preserve them. It seems to me the ecologically correct procedure is to donate our Tigers to an auto museum so that they can be preserved. You can then take the tax write off and put it toward a crotch rocket. They use very little precious gasoline and there would be no sacrifice in performance. Does Norton make a diesel? Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 17:46:40 2008 From: Jay_Laifman@countrywide.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:31:49 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Conversion (Norton Diesel) While I don't know if Norton makes a diesel, I'm figuring this bike ought to be a good hybrid! http://thekneeslider.com/images/ptrikedetail.jpg Tod wrote: In the future, there will be those who will look at our cars and wonder "What were they thinking?" We owe it to future generations to not only stop the gross pollution caused by our Tigers but also to take them off the road and preserve them. It seems to me the ecologically correct procedure is to donate our Tigers to an auto museum so that they can be preserved. You can then take the tax write off and put it toward a crotch rocket. They use very little precious gasoline and there would be no sacrifice in performance. Does Norton make a diesel? ====================================================================== Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in and transmitted with this communication is strictly confidential, is intended only for the use of the intended recipient, and is the property of Countrywide Financial Corporation or its affiliates and subsidiaries. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of the information contained in or transmitted with the communication or dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited by law. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately return this communication to the sender and delete the original message and any copy of it in your possession. ====================================================================== _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 19:01:07 2008 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:34:38 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] norton ..." It seems to me the ecologically correct procedure is to donate our Tigers to an auto museum so that they can be preserved. You can then take the tax write off and put it toward a crotch rocket. They use very little precious gasoline and there would be no sacrifice in performance. Does Norton make a diesel?" And if you strike out with him, see if Ralph Kramden...Oh, wait a minute, wrong user group..bye. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 19:02:08 2008 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: peter.laurinaitis.wg02@wharton.upenn.edu, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:38:41 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] heater core installation Pete Any hardware store sells foam window insulation in 1/2 or 3/4 wide rolls sticky on one side. Wrap it around the core and you're done. Dont use adhesive to stick it to the bottom. How would you remove the next time? SS use to sell the gasket that goes under the bonnet latch. If not make one. Sorry no duckbill here. Dave In a message dated 4/21/2008 1:23:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, laurin212@yahoo.com writes: quick questions (didnt find an answer on TE/AE site): (1) when re-assembling the heater core, what kind of gasket/stripping do folks use to plant the core down against the base of the "box", silicone rubber for heat resistance? can seem to find the right stripping, preferably self-adhesive. should the stripping run around the bottom hole, and also up the back and top of the core (like in the diagram on SS web site)? (2) for the rubber duckbill piece - is it best to install this part from within the car, or from the box the heater core resides in? (3) anyone hanging onto a spare duckbill they'd be willing to sell, mine was cracked, hardened and shredded from the arizona heat thks! peter Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02@wharton.upenn.edu You are subscribed as djoh797014@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 20:36:11 2008 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: , , Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:16:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] heater core installation Regarding the duckbill drains, Kip Motors (kipkotors.com) has them available (not cheap, but available!). They specialize in Nash Metropolitans, London Taxis, and Orphaned marques, one of which is their burgeoning Sunbeam parts. In addition to the duckbills, they are also offering Series IV, V, and Tiger front marker lights that are complete units, plus lots of other items. Looking through their online catalog, I did not see either item listed, but they are both relatively new to the market. Their phone number is on their webpage for specifics. Happy hunting! Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DJoh797014@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 4:39 PM To: peter.laurinaitis.wg02@wharton.upenn.edu; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] heater core installation Pete Any hardware store sells foam window insulation in 1/2 or 3/4 wide rolls sticky on one side. Wrap it around the core and you're done. Dont use adhesive to stick it to the bottom. How would you remove the next time? SS use to sell the gasket that goes under the bonnet latch. If not make one. Sorry no duckbill here. Dave In a message dated 4/21/2008 1:23:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, laurin212@yahoo.com writes: quick questions (didnt find an answer on TE/AE site): (1) when re-assembling the heater core, what kind of gasket/stripping do folks use to plant the core down against the base of the "box", silicone rubber for heat resistance? can seem to find the right stripping, preferably self-adhesive. should the stripping run around the bottom hole, and also up the back and top of the core (like in the diagram on SS web site)? (2) for the rubber duckbill piece - is it best to install this part from within the car, or from the box the heater core resides in? (3) anyone hanging onto a spare duckbill they'd be willing to sell, mine was cracked, hardened and shredded from the arizona heat thks! peter Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02@wharton.upenn.edu You are subscribed as djoh797014@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 20:59:51 2008 From: Tod Brown To: Jay_Laifman@countrywide.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:00:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Conversion (Norton Diesel) Jay: Not exactly what I had in mind! I don't think it would be too economical. I have a cousin who lives in New Mexico who used to build such things, but I think he gave it up. The one in the pic looks to be a 6 cylinder (a Porsche?), but my cousin used Chevy V8's! Seems like GM made some 8-cylinder diesels a while back. Maybe that would be the ticket. Cheers, Tod Jay_Laifman@countrywide.com wrote: > While I don't know if Norton makes a diesel, I'm figuring this bike ought > to be a good hybrid! > > http://thekneeslider.com/images/ptrikedetail.jpg > > Tod wrote: > > In the future, there will be those who will look at our cars and wonder > "What were they thinking?" We owe it > to future generations to not only stop the gross pollution caused by our > Tigers but also to take them off the > road and preserve them. It seems to me the ecologically correct > procedure is to donate our Tigers to an auto > museum so that they can be preserved. You can then take the tax write > off and put it toward a crotch rocket. > They use very little precious gasoline and there would be no sacrifice > in performance. Does Norton make a > diesel? > > > ====================================================================== > > Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in and transmitted with this communication is strictly confidential, is intended only for the use of the intended recipient, and is the property of Countrywide Financial Corporation or its affiliates and subsidiaries. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of the information contained in or transmitted with the communication or dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited by law. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately return this communication to the sender and delete the original message and any copy of it in your possession. > > ====================================================================== _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 21:18:49 2008 From: drmayf To: Tod Brown Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:17:51 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Conversion (Norton Diesel) Man, just visualizing a GM V8 diesel powered bike... can you imagine kick starting it, lol! No tranny required, just direct drive and a clutch. Tipping it oven on ya when getting on or off would likely be fatal! The trike with the boxster type engine was nifty though.. mayf Tod Brown wrote: >Jay: > >Not exactly what I had in mind! I don't think it would be too >economical. I have a cousin who >lives in New Mexico who used to build such things, but I think he gave >it up. The one in the >pic looks to be a 6 cylinder (a Porsche?), but my cousin used Chevy >V8's! Seems like GM >made some 8-cylinder diesels a while back. Maybe that would be the ticket. > >Cheers, > >Tod > >Jay_Laifman@countrywide.com wrote: > > >>While I don't know if Norton makes a diesel, I'm figuring this bike ought >>to be a good hybrid! >> >>http://thekneeslider.com/images/ptrikedetail.jpg >> >>Tod wrote: >> >>In the future, there will be those who will look at our cars and wonder >>"What were they thinking?" We owe it >>to future generations to not only stop the gross pollution caused by our >>Tigers but also to take them off the >>road and preserve them. It seems to me the ecologically correct >>procedure is to donate our Tigers to an auto >>museum so that they can be preserved. You can then take the tax write >>off and put it toward a crotch rocket. >>They use very little precious gasoline and there would be no sacrifice >>in performance. Does Norton make a >>diesel? >> >> >>====================================================================== >> >>Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in and transmitted with this communication is strictly confidential, is intended only for the use of the intended recipient, and is the property of Countrywide Financial Corporation or its affiliates and subsidiaries. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of the information contained in or transmitted with the communication or dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited by law. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately return this communication to the sender and delete the original message and any copy of it in your possession. >> >>====================================================================== >> >> >_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 21 21:47:41 2008 From: Theo Smit To: drmayf@mayfco.com Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:59:49 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Conversion (Norton Diesel) This is getting(?) off topic, but it's got a V8 and I still have to laugh when I watch this video. http://www.compfused.com/directlink/154/ Theo drmayf wrote: > Man, just visualizing a GM V8 diesel powered bike... can you imagine > kick starting it, lol! No tranny required, just direct drive and a > clutch. Tipping it oven on ya when getting on or off would likely be > fatal! The trike with the boxster type engine was nifty though.. > > mayf _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 05:44:09 2008 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: , Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:44:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Conversion (Norton Diesel) I love stuff like this. There was a guy in australia who sliced two cylinders off the end of a Rolls Royce Merlin aircraft engine (they were installed on P-51 Mustangs among other aircraft) and wedged them into a custom frame. 2 cylinders and 5.0ltrs displacement. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 06:15:38 2008 From: Jeff Howarth To: Tod Brown Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:49:27 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Conversion There is of course the non manufacturer/ CUBAN view. The cars we have are made and cost almost zero carbon footprint to keep maintained and running. They may of course emit a few extra pounds of carbon footprint than a lean mean modern machine fresh on the auto dealers floor, but guess what - there's a whole smog emittin factory behind those............. In Europe they are now considering how they recycle the cars they are making today and making big marketing claims about it - surely its better to keep them running ! Keep on Sunbeamin, its the green way to go ! Jeff In message <480D0E85.1050207@roadrunner.com>, Tod Brown writes >In the future, there will be those who will look at our cars and wonder >"What were they thinking?" We owe it >to future generations to not only stop the gross pollution caused by our >Tigers but also to take them off the >road and preserve them. It seems to me the ecologically correct >procedure is to donate our Tigers to an auto >museum so that they can be preserved. You can then take the tax write >off and put it toward a crotch rocket. >They use very little precious gasoline and there would be no sacrifice >in performance. Does Norton make a >diesel? > >Tod >B382002384LRXFE >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as jeff@v8tiger.demon.co.uk > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > -- Jeff Howarth _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 07:08:59 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Jeff Howarth" Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:09:20 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Conversion i'm sure i've mentioned before my colleague with Toyata Pious who said i was an environmental hypocrite for driving a 5l V8. well it turns out he's such a couch potato that he spends more money on (regular) gas each year than i do on premium. although i imagine i'd have to use gallons instead of money to still win that one since moving the the UK :( On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Jeff Howarth wrote: > There is of course the non manufacturer/ CUBAN view. > > The cars we have are made and cost almost zero carbon footprint to keep > maintained and running. > > They may of course emit a few extra pounds of carbon footprint than a > lean mean modern machine fresh on the auto dealers floor, but guess what > - there's a whole smog emittin factory behind those............. > > In Europe they are now considering how they recycle the cars they are > making today and making big marketing claims about it - surely its > better to keep them running ! > > Keep on Sunbeamin, its the green way to go ! > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > In message <480D0E85.1050207@roadrunner.com>, Tod Brown > writes > > >In the future, there will be those who will look at our cars and wonder > >"What were they thinking?" We owe it > >to future generations to not only stop the gross pollution caused by our > >Tigers but also to take them off the > >road and preserve them. It seems to me the ecologically correct > >procedure is to donate our Tigers to an auto > >museum so that they can be preserved. You can then take the tax write > >off and put it toward a crotch rocket. > >They use very little precious gasoline and there would be no sacrifice > >in performance. Does Norton make a > >diesel? > > > >Tod > >B382002384LRXFE > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > >You are subscribed as jeff@v8tiger.demon.co.uk > > > > >Tigers@autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > >http://www.team.net/archive > > > > -- > Jeff Howarth > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 07:21:01 2008 From: "Wally Menke" To: "'Tiger List'" Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:20:30 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve cover clearance?? Actually Rick & Richard can make these up without the baffles fitted as they assemble these to order with the bits they have. Will save you knocking them out. What also works is using 2 x gaskets each side. Wally Menke -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+walmenke=bigpond.net.au@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+walmenke=bigpond.net.au@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Hutchinson Sent: Sunday, 20 April 2008 1:12 AM To: CoolVT@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve cover clearance?? But the 'Tiger' ones from Rick and knock out the baffles. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 09:07:15 2008 From: Tod Brown To: Theo Smit Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:07:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Conversion (Norton Diesel) Theo: That is sooooo cool! I want one. I've got this 60 ft spruce.... Tod Theo Smit wrote: > This is getting(?) off topic, but it's got a V8 and I still have to > laugh when I watch this video. > http://www.compfused.com/directlink/154/ > > Theo > > drmayf wrote: >> Man, just visualizing a GM V8 diesel powered bike... can you imagine >> kick starting it, lol! No tranny required, just direct drive and a >> clutch. Tipping it oven on ya when getting on or off would likely be >> fatal! The trike with the boxster type engine was nifty though.. >> >> mayf _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 09:23:50 2008 From: Tod Brown To: Scott Hutchinson Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:16:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Conversion (Norton Diesel) "they were installed on P-51 Mustangs among other aircraft" Yeah, like Spitfires and Hurricanes and even Lancasters. What amazing pieces of machinery. There is one at the Owls Head Transportation Museum not far from where I live. Tod Scott Hutchinson wrote: > I love stuff like this. > > There was a guy in australia who sliced two cylinders off the end of a Rolls Royce Merlin aircraft engine (they were installed on P-51 Mustangs among other aircraft) and wedged them into a custom frame. > > 2 cylinders and 5.0ltrs displacement. > > > > Scott Hutchinson > Director of Operations > Netjets Large Aircraft > > Office 860.292.1191 > Mobile 843.290.2805 > > ** ******* > This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 09:26:30 2008 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net, "rande" Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:23:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers (Norton) Rande: Kramden does make a diesel! It runs on sewer gas. ;>) Tod _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 09:37:40 2008 From: Marc James Small To: Tod Brown , Scott Hutchinson Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:31:01 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Merlin Engines At 10:16 AM 4/22/2008, Tod Brown wrote: >"they were installed on P-51 Mustangs among other aircraft" > >Yeah, like Spitfires and Hurricanes and even Lancasters. What amazing >pieces of machinery. There is one at the Owls Head Transportation >Museum not far from where I live. > Well, the Rolls-Royce Merlin was never installed in a production P-51. The Mustangs had the Packard version of the Merlin which differed in a number of ways from the RR original. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 09:55:02 2008 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: "Marc James Small" , "Tod Brown" Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:55:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Merlin Engines Kinda a semantics issue. I'm sure the Rolls-Royce guys would say that they were built by Packard under licence. I think Ford was building B-24s. Does that mean that they weren't Consolidateds? http://www.enginehistory.org/Packard/jpgs/Merlin%20V-1650%20data%20plate,%20l ate%20style.jpg http://www.aviation-history.com/engines/merlin.htm -----Original Message----- From: Marc James Small [mailto:marcsmall@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:31 AM To: Tod Brown; Scott Hutchinson Cc: Jay_Laifman@countrywide.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Merlin Engines At 10:16 AM 4/22/2008, Tod Brown wrote: >"they were installed on P-51 Mustangs among other aircraft" > >Yeah, like Spitfires and Hurricanes and even Lancasters. What amazing >pieces of machinery. There is one at the Owls Head Transportation >Museum not far from where I live. > Well, the Rolls-Royce Merlin was never installed in a production P-51. The Mustangs had the Packard version of the Merlin which differed in a number of ways from the RR original. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! ** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 10:06:28 2008 From: Marc James Small To: "Scott Hutchinson" , "Tod Brown" Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:06:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Merlin Engines At 10:55 AM 4/22/2008, Scott Hutchinson wrote: > >Kinda a semantics issue. > >I'm sure the Rolls-Royce guys would say that they were built by >Packard under licence. > >I think Ford was building B-24s. Does that mean that they weren't >Consolidateds? These are two completely different issues. Aircraft designed by one manufacturer but built by another -- and both Douglas and North American built B-24's as did Ford -- were subject to direct inspection by engineers from the prime contractor and they were not allowed to vary from the plans supplied by the prime contractor. The Packard Merlin was substantially derived and developed from the Rolls Royce original. Yes, license fees were paid but, in the end, Rolls Royce adopted some of Packard's amendments to their design and paid Packard when they adopted these for the later versions of the engine. One primary change was the reduction in quality when Whitworth bolts were replaced by the less capable UN threads but there were a bunch of other variations, most adopted to fit the engine to US production techniques. There were no Rolls Royce inspectors on the Packard assembly line. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 10:12:03 2008 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: "Marc James Small" , "Tod Brown" Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:11:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Merlin Engines Ya learn somethin' new everyday. Thanks for the info. * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 10:17:55 2008 From: Jeff Howarth To: Marc James Small Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:50:39 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Merlin Engines You have of course seen the Merlin engined tiger : http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/kbd23c/v24prototype.jpg lol Jeff In message <20080422153730.C7527187651@autox.team.net>, Marc James Small writes >At 10:16 AM 4/22/2008, Tod Brown wrote: > >"they were installed on P-51 Mustangs among other aircraft" > > > >Yeah, like Spitfires and Hurricanes and even Lancasters. What amazing > >pieces of machinery. There is one at the Owls Head Transportation > >Museum not far from where I live. > > > > >Well, the Rolls-Royce Merlin was never installed >in a production P-51. The Mustangs had the >Packard version of the Merlin which differed in a >number of ways from the RR original. > >Marc > > >msmall@aya.yale.edu >Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as jeff@v8tiger.demon.co.uk > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > -- Jeff Howarth _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 10:23:11 2008 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: "Jeff Howarth" , "Marc James Small" Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:22:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Merlin Engines It would help with some of the short wheelbase issues as well.. Really this would be perfect for those Salt Flat runs mayf. You could run the boost up to 120 inches or so and really move out. ** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 10:31:24 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: jeff@v8tiger.demon.co.uk, marcsmall@comcast.net Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:31:41 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Merlin Engines That may look crazy, but hold your hand over the portion just in front of the front wheel. The balance of the stretch makes one nice looking car (in my opinion). M **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 10:38:28 2008 From: crbernardino@mac.com To: "Tiger Webring" Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:38:53 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Non factory seats in tiger Anyone have experience or suggestions for non factory seats? My seats are falling apart at the seams and I would not mind extra lateral support and a head rest in this daily driver. Thanks Rob in CT Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 11:08:34 2008 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:02:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] norton Fun Facts: Norton Motorcycles went out of business in 1976. I have owned many of them, mostly Commandos. Ralph Kramden never rode one. The "new" Norton Motors did not make it into the production stage, Kenny Dreer never got enough money to start production. You can get an Enfield made in India with a diesel engine, you measure 0 to 60 times with a calendar. The US Army has diesel-powered dirt bikes based on Kawasaki KLR650s, they now require all vehicles to run on one fuel. If you want to see a production motorcycle which uses an American V-8, just Google "Boss Hoss". As a long time motorcyclist, former pro racer, and avid "crotch-rocket" owner, I can tell you that the majority of motorcycles sold today are geared towards performance, not economy. A Prius or Echo gets better mileage than most bikes bigger than 500cc. Bikes that do get over 50 mpg are small displacement (400 cc or smaller), some exceptions are the smaller "cruiser class" vee-twins from the Big Four. But who wants to tackle I-70 semi traffic on a minibike, or worse, a scooter? My 1200cc BMW gets low-40's mpg whether touring or sport riding, my 1000cc Ducati about 14 mpg on the track, the ZRX1200 about mid-30's on the street. My vintage Norton 850 can get 45 mpg, but that's negated by the oil constantly oozing out of the engine, primary, and transmission cases. As for giving my Tiger up and putting it into a museum, bite me. Bugz :>0 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rande Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:35 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] norton ..." It seems to me the ecologically correct procedure is to donate our Tigers to an auto museum so that they can be preserved. You can then take the tax write off and put it toward a crotch rocket. They use very little precious gasoline and there would be no sacrifice in performance. Does Norton make a diesel?" And if you strike out with him, see if Ralph Kramden...Oh, wait a minute, wrong user group..bye. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 12:04:10 2008 From: "Mike Hokanson" To: , Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:04:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Non factory seats in tiger I've done a fair amount of thinking concerning seats to use in the fuel-injected car I'm building. I've pretty much done away with the first generation Toyota MR2 (sold last car a couple months ago). I drove one for 6 years without any issues as a daily driver, but have moved on to the 'Stang convertible and other toyz. Believe it or not, that isn't a bad option to utilize a pair of those bucket seats. They came in a variety of colors, and the seat width makes it a realistic possibility. I kept an extra pair from a S/C car, and they have nice fabrics as well as a ratcheting headrest and are very comfortable and adjustable. I drove many miles in those seats and have no complaints. I also have a Mazda Miata, and they have a very nice, compact seat as well with nice support as well as factory speakers in the headrests. Just a couple of options for consideration. I'm sure there are other Tiger owners out there who have come across good replacements for the custom car. Dad used a pair of Huntmaster seats in his Tiger for quite a few years and I thought they fit well. One obstacle is the shoulder area width due to the hardtop latch and that needs to be addressed when fitting seats/rails. Mike Hokanson ----- Original Message ----- From: crbernardino@mac.com To: Tiger Webring Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:38 AM Subject: [Tigers] Non factory seats in tiger Anyone have experience or suggestions for non factory seats? My seats are falling apart at the seams and I would not mind extra lateral support and a head rest in this daily driver. Thanks Rob in CT Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as hokey@oasisol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 12:04:51 2008 From: Karl Adey To: The LIST Post Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:05:06 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Heater Water Valve Hey, I'm new to the list, though i've been looking at it for a few years. Working on a MK1 with what i think is a single speed blower. There's only one lead other than ground coming off the blower, and the 'control lever' has the in and out movement. However, looking at the Workshop manual pg R-3, the hose setup and water valve bracket are the same as figure 2, the two speed blower layout. Can anyone shed light on this discrepancy? Thanks, Karl B9470519 LRXFE _________________________________________________________________ Spell a grand slam in this game where word skill meets World Series. Get in the game. http://club.live.com/word_slugger.aspx?icid=word_slugger_wlhm_admod_april08 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 13:01:12 2008 From: drmayf To: Scott Hutchinson Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:00:51 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Merlin Engines Well, now that streeetttchhhheddd Tiger would be different on the salt for sure. Wheel base is an issue. When Ibuilt the Apline Race car it of course had an 86 inch OEM wheel base. I had started to build a drag car and after talking to NHRA tech chief I was convinced that the only wat to run in a sanctioned event was tohave a 90 inch wheel base. So that's what the race car is. It is not enough, lol! I can stretch teh wheel base to 130 inches and actually put on a streamliner front end for aero effect. But then it would not be a SUnbeam. So, alas, the red car will remain a short car. When driving a short car at speed everything is twitchy because a small angular change, say the rear of the car movers over a couple of inches or maye the front, then the angular difference is big compared to a much longer wheel base. As to a Merlin, my local fellow slat racer also raced P51. He said hardly any of the Merlin engines from abroad had truly interchangeable parts. They were essentially custom made. I heard a similar comment on the MIlitary Channel when the guys were rebuilding a SHerman tank. The mechanics were commenting on how well the SHerman was designed and built with all commonparts being interchangeable. The comments were that the brit equivalent would have no such thing and you would really have to work to assemble one from scrap parts. 120 inches of manifold pressure, eh...well, not likely in my car! It may not handl 60 inches. remember those numbers are manifold pressure and are absolute numbers. So 60 inches of mercury would equate to about 15 psig and 120 would be a heck of a lot more! But what a dream.. mayf Scott Hutchinson wrote: >It would help with some of the short wheelbase issues as well.. > >Really this would be perfect for those Salt Flat runs mayf. You could >run the boost up to 120 inches or so and really move out. > > > >** ******* >This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. >Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you >may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information >contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please >advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as drmayf@mayfco.com > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 13:47:37 2008 From: Larry Allbritton To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Non factory seats in Tiger Hi Rob I went through this same process a couple of years ago because my wife did not like the support (lack of) from the stock seats. I went to several junkyards and eventually settled on a pair from a 1976 Datsun 260Z. They needed to be recovered but no problem there. I used some angled steel and sheet steel to fab some brackets to mount the seats. Since I did not want to drill more holes, I used the existing holes to mount these plates and then the seats mounted to the plates. They fit perfect with just enough room for the ebrake. They look great and have the highback for better whiplash protection as well as much more support for comfort on those occasional long journeys. There are upholstery kits available on the internet that will make them look like new. Kits are $250. I also looked at fitting the Miata seats but could not locate any with black vinyl just lots of cloth out there. The Miata seats will fit but would also require you to make up brackets. Also the Miata seats have the speakers in the headrest in case you want to hear your radio at speed with the top down. let me know if you want more details/pictures on my setup. good luck Larry Message: 2 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:38:53 +0000 From: crbernardino@mac.com Subject: [Tigers] Non factory seats in tiger To: "Tiger Webring" Message-ID: <451422346-1208878722-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1848486306-@bxe152.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain Anyone have experience or suggestions for non factory seats? My seats are falling apart at the seams and I would not mind extra lateral support and a head rest in this daily driver. Thanks Rob in CT Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 13:50:59 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:51:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Non factory seats in tiger Rob, When I get to the point of installing them, I have a set on mid to late 90's Mitsubishi Eclipse seats. The inner seat bolsters are smaller on the inside edges and help with fitment. Still I will have to fabricate mounts for them. Aside from finding seats with a narrow enough seat cushion, the depth of the seat back is aesthetically important. Too many seats look like a Baq -O- lounger in the Tiger because of the visual depth of the seat back. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 14:06:30 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:06:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Factory Seats Tigers, Just a note for those that like (or want) the "original" seats. I was able to purchase some quick release ball detent aircraft pins, from a boat (or surplus) store. 2 per side. They replace the front horizontal pivoting bolts with the pins (no drilling, or modification required). Mount them through the existing holes from underneath the seat toward the outside, so you can insert or remove them from the track easily. Push-button ball detents allow you to quickly remove either seat. http://www.jergensinc.com/pins.aspx?source=search_engine Work great if you ever have to get under the dash. Steve Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 14:58:40 2008 From: Steve Sage To: Steve Laifman Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:57:54 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Factory Seats Hello Steve: Great idea. Do you have the dimensions for the pins you use? The web site has lots of choices. Steve Sage Steve Laifman wrote: > Tigers, > > Just a note for those that like (or want) the "original" seats. > > I was able to purchase some quick release ball detent aircraft pins, > from a boat (or surplus) store. 2 per side. They replace the front > horizontal pivoting bolts with the pins (no drilling, or modification > required). > > Mount them through the existing holes from underneath the seat toward > the outside, so you can insert or remove them from the track easily. > > Push-button ball detents allow you to quickly remove either seat. > > http://www.jergensinc.com/pins.aspx?source=search_engine > > Work great if you ever have to get under the dash. > > Steve > > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > _______________________________________________ > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09680 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 15:04:06 2008 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net, "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:04:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers (Norton) Mark: Take a deep breath. It was a joke! I am not about to give up my Tiger, either. Given the number of Tigers remaining and the small amount they get driven, wiping them out would have a rather small effect on the situation and the world would be a poorer place because of it. My point was that environmental sensitivity can sometimes lead to weird choices at the sacrifice of other important considerations. Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 15:31:57 2008 From: "Cullen McCann" To: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:26:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers (Norton) I have been watching you guys chat about all this economic stuff for awhile, and feel like I should contribute something we all know but maybe it will help to mention it. I try to imagine what it would be like having this conversation in person, and not by email, because I'll bet if we were all standing in a room discussing it, we would all be laughing and kidding around, or at least know when we are about to hit a nerve and most of us would stop short of that point.....My point is that email doesn't allow for the mannerisms, body language and subtleties that serve as indicators for most of us in conversational chemistry. (I'm making myself really sound smart now) I just hate seeing people step on each others toes during email because I always think that if the people in question had been discussing it in person, they could have distinguished between a joke and something serious, or when the conversation is starting to be taking wrong.....or make someone angry. So, in conclusion.....even though there is some good info being discussed about the effects of our hobby on the environment and the future of it all, I think everyone is mostly joking. If not, meet me at the bike rack after school and we will settle this once and for all... ;) Cullen B382001452 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 17:23:20 2008 From: Gary Crandall To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Factory Seats I use the quick release pins, too. Makes seat removal a breeze. I have the 1/4" T-handle Kwik-locs. Gary Steve Laifman wrote: Tigers, Just a note for those that like (or want) the "original" seats. I was able to purchase some quick release ball detent aircraft pins, from a boat (or surplus) store. 2 per side. They replace the front horizontal pivoting bolts with the pins (no drilling, or modification required). Mount them through the existing holes from underneath the seat toward the outside, so you can insert or remove them from the track easily. Push-button ball detents allow you to quickly remove either seat. http://www.jergensinc.com/pins.aspx?source=search_engine Work great if you ever have to get under the dash. Steve Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com You are subscribed as maliburevue@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 17:30:43 2008 From: Gary Crandall To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Non factory seats in Tiger My first Tiger had 240Z seats. I liked them alot and they fit fairly easily. Same type of mounting scheme as Larry used. I could slide them back quite far while driving, and slide them forward and recliine them quite far as a passenger. I used to be able to get 4 college kids in that Tiger for drives up the canyon on summer days. Gary Larry Allbritton wrote: Hi Rob I went through this same process a couple of years ago because my wife did not like the support (lack of) from the stock seats. I went to several junkyards and eventually settled on a pair from a 1976 Datsun 260Z. They needed to be recovered but no problem there. I used some angled steel and sheet steel to fab some brackets to mount the seats. Since I did not want to drill more holes, I used the existing holes to mount these plates and then the seats mounted to the plates. They fit perfect with just enough room for the ebrake. They look great and have the highback for better whiplash protection as well as much more support for comfort on those occasional long journeys. There are upholstery kits available on the internet that will make them look like new. Kits are $250. I also looked at fitting the Miata seats but could not locate any with black vinyl just lots of cloth out there. The Miata seats will fit but would also require you to make up brackets. Also the Miata seats have the speakers in the headrest in case you want to hear your radio at speed with the top down. let me know if you want more details/pictures on my setup. good luck Larry Message: 2 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:38:53 +0000 From: crbernardino@mac.com Subject: [Tigers] Non factory seats in tiger To: "Tiger Webring" Message-ID: <451422346-1208878722-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1848486306-@bxe152.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain Anyone have experience or suggestions for non factory seats? My seats are falling apart at the seams and I would not mind extra lateral support and a head rest in this daily driver. Thanks Rob in CT Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry You are subscribed as maliburevue@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 18:01:03 2008 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:57:12 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Non factory seats in Tiger While the support of more modern, high back seats is nice, the look for a Tiger is not so nice, imho... I'm looking at some of the low back "period correct" race seats used in Vintage Racing as possibilities. Even something like the Corbeau Classic could represent a good compromise between comfort, support and avoiding the "sticking out of the interior" height of modern seats. _http://www.corbeau.com/products/classic/classic.shtml_ (http://www.corbeau.com/products/classic/classic.shtml) **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 18:06:55 2008 From: "michael king" To: "Thomas Witt" Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:07:22 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Non factory seats in tiger I have some cobra classic seats in my alpine, they look period correct and offer good lateral support. Here are some pics: http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1136010562054462410yZGscn i have been looking at these seats recently for my tiger, they are GTS seats for older porsche racers, and offer a variety of styles: http://gtsclassics.com.au/Results.cfm?category=2 -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 18:50:57 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Steve Sage Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:50:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Factory Seats Steve Sage, I took an original bolt with me, and found it in the parts bin. Measure your bolt's size, if your going to order it on-line. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Sage wrote: > Hello Steve: > Great idea. Do you have the dimensions for the pins you use? The web > site has lots of choices. > > Steve Sage _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 22 22:01:31 2008 From: "Scattt" To: "Steve Sage" , "Steve Laifman" Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:01:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Factory Seats The quick release seat pins are .25" diameter with a grip length of 1.25". I use a L shaped pin and had them out this week-end for the installation of a new rag-top. Nick _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 23 01:04:56 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:04:56 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rootes info For those whose "Rootes" extend beyond the Tiger this page over at AllPar might be of interest. There is a lot of 60's-70's "transportation" car information. Tom http://www.allpar.com/cars/adopted/hillman/hunter.html _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 23 06:01:26 2008 From: "Robert J. Wanty" To: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:01:52 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Vent Box Springs Does anyone have three that they would like to part with? SS lists the repair kit but they are out, I also need the drivers side vent rod. Bob B382001318 Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 3:51 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 23 06:19:49 2008 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:20:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] alternate seats My vote is for Miata Mk1 seats. Yes a lot of them are black cloth, but they also offered black or tan leather on some special editions. The same bracket advisory applies. Also, kind of rare in boneyards, try Honda S2000 seats. All manual, all leather, and a low cushion height, and real holding power. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 23 12:37:03 2008 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: Craig , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:36:46 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Kip Motor I sent out an e-mail with information regarding Kip Motor as a supplier of the duckbill drains. Someone responded requesting the correct website address and I replied but Outlook belched up small particles and my e-mail with the corrected web address was not sent. The correct web address is www.kipmotor.com. Jere _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 23 14:04:33 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: "un-cole-a@juno.com" , Tiger's Den Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:04:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Factory Seats Un-Cole-a (?), Mine were truly aircraft surplus, and a 1/4 inch diameter x 1.25 long, were the higher strength variety. Not warning flag holders. Which were probably chrome molybdenum steel anyway. No material, heat treat, or alloy on the loose bin of parts, though. Many sources on Google. Here is one "T" handle that is more specific, available in Carbon ($14.87 ea.) or Stainless steel ($18.30 ea): Check for style and cost: http://www.jergensinc.com/pin_select.aspx?ms=en&style_ID=100&dia=0.25&grip=1.25 There are others available, and other sources ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com un-cole-a@juno.com wrote: > > > > I used to be Flight Engineer on the C-141 Starlifter and they used > these pins often, there were different strength pins for different > applications. That is why I was questioning the strength on the pins, > some of the pins we used just held the veriest caution flags on the > aircraft while others held down items which needed a high strength pin > application. > I like the idea of the pins just needed clarification on strength. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 23 20:11:03 2008 From: "Shaun Laughy" To: , "'tiger'" Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:08:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] midget rack Thanks for the information, Owain. Are you using Dale A.'s kit for this? Thanks, Shaun -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+tigerv8=rogers.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+tigerv8=rogers.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: April 21, 2008 10:13 AM To: tiger Subject: [Tigers] midget rack just thought i'd share my first impressions after putting in the midget steering rack. i put just under 200 miles on the car over the weekend mainly on country roads. its absolutely fantastic! gone is the horrible understeer in tight corners and the tight ratio makes fast cornering so much easier. setting the toe is a breeze with straight adjustable tie rods. my car used to wander badly on bumpy roads at speed but of course i'm also benefiting from the straightening of my crossmember which i did at the same time so i imagine most of my gains in directional stability come from that. in fact i actually didn't bother to set the caster/camber yet, and am using no shims. there is visibily positive camber and i'm still so impressed i can hardly be bothered to break out the caster/camber gauge at all! You are subscribed as tigerv8@rogers.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 23 22:46:37 2008 From: "Peter Laurinaitis" To: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:46:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: stainless trim restoration [wasnt sure if this went thru so resending] i am planning to send out my hardtop stainless trim for restoratation, incl taking out a few minor dents, anyone have any experience with any of these guys i looked up in hemmings that does that kind of work? how about paul reseintz that does tiger stuff? Turners, 4388 S Willow, Fresno, CA 93725, PH: 559-237-0892 Vintage Vehicles Inc, N1940 20th Dr, Wautoma, WI 54982, PH: 920-787-2656 http://www.vintagevehicles.net/ Charles Jones, 3030 Alta Ridge Way, Snellville, GA 30078, 770-736-1118; www.chromeplatingshop.com NEL Metal Restorations, 2127-35 Margaret St, Philadelphia, PA 19124, 215-289-4944; www.precisionchrome.com Dave Kosmann, 1020 W Homedale Rd, Caldwell, ID 83607, 208-455-8558; dave@1960impala.com; www.1960impala.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 05:39:49 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Shaun Laughy" , tiger Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:39:05 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] midget rack Yes I am. Its the same as the conversion described on tigersunited. Here are some pictures showing all the parts, the elongated hole in the mgb steering arm and the rack mounted on the crossmember: http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/MidgetRack/jalbum.html On 4/24/08, Shaun Laughy wrote: > Thanks for the information, Owain. Are you using Dale A.'s kit for > this? > > Thanks, > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+tigerv8=rogers.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+tigerv8=rogers.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Owain Lloyd > Sent: April 21, 2008 10:13 AM > To: tiger > Subject: [Tigers] midget rack > > > just thought i'd share my first impressions after putting in the midget > steering rack. > > i put just under 200 miles on the car over the weekend mainly on country > roads. its absolutely fantastic! > > gone is the horrible understeer in tight corners and the tight ratio > makes fast cornering so much easier. setting the toe is a breeze with > straight adjustable tie rods. my car used to wander badly on bumpy > roads at speed but of course i'm also benefiting from the straightening > of my crossmember which i did at the same time so i > imagine most of my gains in directional stability come from that. in > fact i actually didn't bother to set the caster/camber yet, and am using > no shims. there is visibily positive camber and i'm still so impressed > i can hardly be bothered to break out the caster/camber gauge at all! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tigerv8@rogers.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 11:32:40 2008 From: Karl Adey To: The LIST Post Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:33:05 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Water Valve Thanks everyone for the rapid responses to my question about the heater setup. Last night i removed and disassembled the water valve. I've read on the list that the rubber diaphram is no longer available, so i'm happy to report that mine is still in good condition. I'm not sure that i'll be puting the same valve back on the car (I may follow list advise about the honda valve). however, i would like to store the diaphram properly. How should i clean the old coolant sediment off of it, and what should I coat it in to stop it from drying out? What should i coat it in if i'm going to refit it? The lower housing to the valve was broken in a way that won't let it seal. Is anyone interested in parting with their valve, in entirety or just the lower housing (the one with 'pipe' protruding from it)? Once again, thanks for your rapid responses. Karl _________________________________________________________________ In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ realtime_042008 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 11:42:22 2008 From: Karl Adey To: The LIST Post Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:42:49 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Side Moulding I'm aware that there have been several discussions of side moulding over the years, and have tried my best to read them all. However, i have still managed to come up with a few original questions. First, I have two types of door moulding, one with square ends, and the other has a diagonal end. Not diagonal in the way the 1/4 panel strips contact the tiger script, but diagonal if you look at the strip from the top while it is installed. Which is original? are the reproductions faithful enough that it would be worth while to repace this imposter? Second, the short strip just aft of the tiger script on one side was removed and the holes filled. Are the clips from ss able to be installed from the outside (which is necessary because of the lack of access)? If not, how else can this strip be installed. Someone stated that the ss clips 'hold the strip away from the paint' What does that mean, and do they look original enough to be mixed with the original rivets? Lastly, the original rivets are still attached to 3 of the 1/4 panels. Can you paint the car sucessfully and leave these? Thanks, Karl _________________________________________________________________ Back to work after babyhow do you know when youre ready? http://lifestyle.msn.com/familyandparenting/articleNW.aspx?cp-documentid=5797 498&ocid=T067MSN40A0701A _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 11:49:03 2008 From: Peter Laurinaitis To: Karl Adey , The LIST Post Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Valve i might be confused about what you are referring to, but if it is the heater control valve, the tiger valves are readily available for under 50 bucks brand new, either the mark 1 style or mark 1a style (each is different). email me for source for each. --- Karl Adey wrote: > Thanks everyone for the rapid responses to my question about the heater > setup. > Last night i removed and disassembled the water valve. I've read on the list > that the rubber diaphram is no longer available, so i'm happy to report that > mine is still in good condition. I'm not sure that i'll be puting the same > valve back on the car (I may follow list advise about the honda valve). > however, i would like to store the diaphram properly. How should i clean the > old coolant sediment off of it, and what should I coat it in to stop it from > drying out? What should i coat it in if i'm going to refit it? > The lower housing to the valve was broken in a way that won't let it seal. > Is > anyone interested in parting with their valve, in entirety or just the lower > housing (the one with 'pipe' protruding from it)? > Once again, thanks for your rapid responses. > Karl > _________________________________________________________________ > In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ > realtime_042008 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as laurin212@yahoo.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02@wharton.upenn.edu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 11:57:00 2008 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:57:22 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Seat stuff Steve, Thanks so much for the seat quick release stuff. The idea is wonderful. Unbolting the seats AGAIN ! to get under the dash is such a pain. The list serve is so terrific. Thanks again. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 11:57:26 2008 From: Kenda Sawhill To: alpines@AUTOX.TEAM.NET, TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] All British Car Show in Woodland California Hello All, The 20th Annual United British Car Show and Swap Meet is just a few short weeks away, May 18th. We currently have 2 Tigers, 4 Alpines and a total of 146 cars pre-registered. Pre-registration closes on May 1st, save $10.00. The show has a new and larger venue, the Yolo Fairgrounds in Woodland CA. Last year we were 1 car short of 300 cars with 33 award classes and expect to surpass that this year. Three cars of the same type make a class, so we are one Tiger away from having a class. So shine up your cars and come on out for a great event. You can register on line or download a registration form to mail in at our club web site www.UBSCC.org. Thanks, Mac Sawhill B9470860 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 12:40:22 2008 From: "Stu Brennan" To: "'Karl Adey'" , "'The LIST Post'" Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:40:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Side Moulding I used nylon 4-40 pan head screws to mount all of my sidestrips. The heads fit easily inside the trim. I put nylon nuts on the back where I could, and glued the screws in with RTV where I couldn't. These screws are available at many home centers, Lowes, HD, etc. I'm not sure how long they will last, since I only did this back on 1977. Yes, that's 1977 ;-)). Stu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 13:56:01 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:56:00 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] midget rack Owain, Thanks to the link. The TigersUnited link to the discussion is: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-frontsusp.asp with input from Bob Palmer, Bill Martin, Dale Akuszewski (Dale's Restorations), Wally Menke, Larry (DrMayf) Mayfield, and many others, back to 1996. These are "Tiger List" posted comments. Using the "SEARCH" header link, for "MG Rack" results in List Comments, with "Section H - Front Suspension" list comments subject oriented by the also posted Workshop Manual. Sorry they are not better topic organized, but no one volunteered to edit them, and I was too busy creating the web site. Easy find with "SEARCH" Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Owain Lloyd wrote: > Yes I am. Its the same as the conversion described on tigersunited. > > Here are some pictures showing all the parts, the elongated hole in > the mgb steering arm and the rack mounted on the crossmember: > > http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/MidgetRack/jalbum.html _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 14:01:36 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Steve Laifman" , tiger Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:01:50 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] midget rack I was refering to larry paulick's (sp?) tech article, but yes that collection of emails is also relevant. On 4/24/08, Steve Laifman wrote: > Owain, > > Thanks to the link. The TigersUnited link to the discussion is: > > http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-frontsusp.asp > > with input from Bob Palmer, Bill Martin, Dale Akuszewski (Dale's > Restorations), Wally Menke, Larry (DrMayf) Mayfield, and many others, > back to 1996. > > These are "Tiger List" posted comments. Using the "SEARCH" header link, > for "MG Rack" results in List Comments, with "Section H - Front > Suspension" list comments subject oriented by the also posted Workshop > Manual. > > Sorry they are not better topic organized, but no one volunteered to > edit them, and I was too busy creating the web site. > > Easy find with "SEARCH" > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > Owain Lloyd wrote: > > Yes I am. Its the same as the conversion described on tigersunited. > > > > Here are some pictures showing all the parts, the elongated hole in > > the mgb steering arm and the rack mounted on the crossmember: > > > > http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/MidgetRack/jalbum.html _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 14:40:26 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:40:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] midget rack Thanks, Owain, The article referred to by Owain is "The Tiger Ackerman Angle" discusses Dale's R&P adapter for the MG Midget R&P. This is on page 2, but the article is worth the read: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickAckerman/pt-PaulickAckerman1.asp Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Owain Lloyd wrote: > I was refering to larry paulick's (sp?) tech article, but yes that > collection of emails is also relevant. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 17:07:27 2008 From: "Tigerman" To: "Karl Adey" , "The LIST Post" Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:06:45 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Valve For treating rubber and silicone parts in scuba equipment, we always used either a silicone spray or grease. For the scuba stuff, you obviously needed food handler grade materials, which was very pure. I have noticed that many of the silicone sprays and stuff in the automotive section tend to be silicone + some other stuff. Never sure if the 'other stuff' would affect the ability to use it to treat rubber. I finally found a tube of silicone grease at Napa that I at least convinced myself was okay for rubber parts, maybe someone else can recommend a good silicone spray/grease that is safe for rubber. Thanks, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Adey" To: "The LIST Post" Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: [Tigers] Water Valve > Thanks everyone for the rapid responses to my question about the heater > setup. > Last night i removed and disassembled the water valve. I've read on the > list > that the rubber diaphram is no longer available, so i'm happy to report > that > mine is still in good condition. I'm not sure that i'll be puting the > same > valve back on the car (I may follow list advise about the honda valve). > however, i would like to store the diaphram properly. How should i clean > the > old coolant sediment off of it, and what should I coat it in to stop it > from > drying out? What should i coat it in if i'm going to refit it? > The lower housing to the valve was broken in a way that won't let it seal. > Is > anyone interested in parting with their valve, in entirety or just the > lower > housing (the one with 'pipe' protruding from it)? > Once again, thanks for your rapid responses. > Karl > _________________________________________________________________ > In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ > realtime_042008 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tigerman67@hotmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 17:28:54 2008 From: "Shaun Laughy" To: , "'tiger'" Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:21:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] midget rack Thanks, Owain. Would you mind commenting on the stationary/low-speed steering effort? Cheers, Shaun -----Original Message----- From: Owain Lloyd [mailto:owain.lloyd@gmail.com] Sent: April 24, 2008 6:39 AM To: Shaun Laughy; tiger Subject: Re: midget rack Yes I am. Its the same as the conversion described on tigersunited. Here are some pictures showing all the parts, the elongated hole in the mgb steering arm and the rack mounted on the crossmember: http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/MidgetRack/jalbum.html _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Apr 24 17:41:15 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Shaun Laughy" , tiger Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:39:59 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] midget rack Well I have a small motalita steering wheel and huge 205 tires so it couldn't get much worse than that. Once moving at any speed no matter how slow its no problem but I admit the effort to steer when stationary is high - its pretty tough parallel parking. Having said that it was always tough but, yes its noticibly harder. On 4/24/08, Shaun Laughy wrote: > > Thanks, Owain. Would you mind commenting on the stationary/low-speed > steering effort? > > Cheers, > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: Owain Lloyd [mailto:owain.lloyd@gmail.com] > Sent: April 24, 2008 6:39 AM > To: Shaun Laughy; tiger > Subject: Re: midget rack > > > Yes I am. Its the same as the conversion described on tigersunited. > > Here are some pictures showing all the parts, the elongated hole in the > mgb steering arm and the rack mounted on the crossmember: > > http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/MidgetRack/jalbum.html _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 09:06:41 2008 From: "un-cole-a@juno.com" To: sunbeamkarl@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:06:04 GMT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Valve This may be old fashion but my father use to grease rubber parts up with Vaseline and put them in an air tight bag for storage. Believe it or not when we were cleaning the house out to move my mother I found some bags with old rubber parts in them that my father had put away. Not sure how old they were or what the parts were for but they were in good shape. WD40 is fish oil based so you could grease rubber parts up and put in air tight bags also. Tim B9470149 _____________________________________________________________ Stop foreclosure. Click here to stay in your home and rebuild credit. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3meXwiUDkMemlhh5jUiElwMpBce 7t7tzkgkChpq4abaWZhXb/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 12:20:34 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Valve I don't know if I would use WD40 that way, I always thought it was some combination of things like diesel, kerosene, etc. Might be fine but seems to have a nice amount of solvent in it so would be cautious. Maybe some of the simple things like Glycerin or other stuff that was used to keep your rubber in good shape. I think it was something like that recommended by BMW or Porsche for keeping things supple. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "un-cole-a@juno.com" To: sunbeamkarl@hotmail.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 7:06:04 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Valve This may be old fashion but my father use to grease rubber parts up with Vaseline and put them in an air tight bag for storage. Believe it or not when we were cleaning the house out to move my mother I found some bags with old rubber parts in them that my father had put away. Not sure how old they were or what the parts were for but they were in good shape. WD40 is fish oil based so you could grease rubber parts up and put in air tight bags also. Tim B9470149 _____________________________________________________________ Stop foreclosure. Click here to stay in your home and rebuild credit. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3meXwiUDkMemlhh5jUiElwMpBce 7t7tzkgkChpq4abaWZhXb/ You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 12:27:34 2008 From: drmayf To: Sandy Ganz Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:27:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Valve from the MSDS WD 40 ingredients are Main ingredients, from the material safety data sheet , are: * 50%: Stoddard solvent (mineral spirits , somewhat similar to, but not the same as, kerosene) * 25%: Liquefied petroleum gas (presumably as a propellant, carbon dioxide is used now to reduce considerable flammability) * 15+%: Mineral oil (light lubricating oil) * 10-%: Inert ingredients The German version of the mandatory EU safety sheet lists the following safety relevant ingredients: * 60-80%: Heavy Naphtha (petroleum product), hydrogen treated * 1-5%: Carbon dioxide Fish oil is a urban myth. mayf Sandy Ganz wrote: >I don't know if I would use WD40 that way, I always thought it was some combination of things like diesel, kerosene, etc. Might be fine but seems to have a nice amount of solvent in it so would be cautious. Maybe some of the simple things like Glycerin or other stuff that was used to keep your rubber in good shape. I think it was something like that recommended by BMW or Porsche for keeping things supple. > >Sandy > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: "un-cole-a@juno.com" >To: sunbeamkarl@hotmail.com >Cc: tigers@autox.team.net >Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 7:06:04 AM >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Valve > >This may be old fashion but my father use to grease rubber parts up with >Vaseline and put them in an air tight bag for storage. >Believe it or not when we were cleaning the house out to move my mother I >found some bags with old rubber parts in them that my father had put away. Not >sure how old they were or what the parts were for but they were in good >shape. >WD40 is fish oil based so you could grease rubber parts up and put in air >tight bags also. > >Tim >B9470149 > >_____________________________________________________________ >Stop foreclosure. Click here to stay in your home and rebuild credit. >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3meXwiUDkMemlhh5jUiElwMpBce >7t7tzkgkChpq4abaWZhXb/ >You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as drmayf@mayfco.com > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 12:51:39 2008 From: Larry Allbritton To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Valve I have to replace the drinking water filters every six months and silicone grease the 'O' rings. I use a food grade silicone grease that is available in the water filter section of Home Depot. Larry B9472723 Message: 5 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:06:45 -0600 From: "Tigerman" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Valve To: "Karl Adey" , "The LIST Post" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original For treating rubber and silicone parts in scuba equipment, we always used either a silicone spray or grease. For the scuba stuff, you obviously needed food handler grade materials, which was very pure. I have noticed that many of the silicone sprays and stuff in the automotive section tend to be silicone + some other stuff. Never sure if the 'other stuff' would affect the ability to use it to treat rubber. I finally found a tube of silicone grease at Napa that I at least convinced myself was okay for rubber parts, maybe someone else can recommend a good silicone spray/grease that is safe for rubber. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 14:05:26 2008 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:05:21 EDT Subject: [Tigers] rubber grease Hello, How about Girling "Red Grease" like you get in the servo, master and slave rebuild kits, available in little packets from Moss Motors last time I checked. I don't know if you can put it in your mouth though.............. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 19:52:15 2008 From: Sjhcobra1@cs.com To: sunbeamkarl@hotmail.com (Karl Adey), tigers@autox.team.net (The LIST Post) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:52:33 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Valve Karl: The Mk1 heater control valves are available from Sunbeam Specialties and the Mk1A/ Mk2 valves are available from Lil British Car Company so you don't need to search for the Honda valve. Steve Halbrook _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Apr 25 19:54:48 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:55:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Valve Perhaps..., maybe..., Red Rubber Grease would work? It seems to be the only "approved" thing for the brake parts. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 09:33:51 2008 From: "George Re" To: "Tigers" Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:31:46 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hose clamp size? Would anyone know what size hose clamps are need for the tiger I found a guy who has the wire clamps but not sure what sizes I need. Thanks George Re _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Apr 26 21:42:20 2008 From: Sjhcobra1@cs.com To: mgman71@comcast.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:41:40 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hose clamp size? George: I don't have the sizes for yoiu, but Moss Motors carries at least two sizes of the wire clamps. Steve Halbrook _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 27 09:05:54 2008 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:05:17 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Safe Lube for Tiger/Alpine seals When I worked in the food industry we had a grease called Petrol-Gel. It's a sanitary lubricant made of U.S.P. mineral oil and other USP ingredients. It's absolutely tastelees and odorless, has a high melting point, impervious to water. It's good for valves, pistons, o-rings, gaskets, sanitary centrifugal pumps, guides and slide mechanisms. It's manufactured by McGlaughlin Oil Company in Colimbus, OH. I have no interest in the company or it's products except that I have used it for many years with excellent results. I use it on the o-ring in the multi port valve on my pool filtration system and the o-ring has not been affected by the DE, the water, the chlorine or any other chemicals used in the pool. Fred Baum 9470768 **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 27 16:00:36 2008 From: "John Stithem" To: "Tiger List" Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:00:04 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Restoration of rear view mirror I know I'm being lazy--not doing the search -- but-- Has anyone done a tech article on how to restore a tiger rear view mirror? John _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Apr 27 17:41:11 2008 From: "Jerry" To: "'John Stithem'" , "'Tiger List'" Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:41:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Restoration of rear view mirror John, I did mine eight or nine years ago, not to difficult, I think I had to break the glass can't remember, but you probably want new glass (mirror) anyway, there are two rivets that have to be drilled out, then it comes apart and you can have the hanger part rechromed. Reassembly is very easy if you know how to peen a rivet, (smashing the end of the rivet) with a ballpeen hammer. The question is where do you get the rivets? I have some, and I'll be glad to sell them for $100.00 each. Just kidding send me your address and I will be glad to send them to you for free. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Stithem Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 5:00 PM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] Restoration of rear view mirror I know I'm being lazy--not doing the search -- but-- Has anyone done a tech article on how to restore a tiger rear view mirror? John You are subscribed as jcmc2006@suddenlink.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 07:01:07 2008 From: "Alvin Johnson" To: , Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:00:58 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Safe Lube Qualities How the hell do you know it's tasteless? > When I worked in the food industry we had a grease called Petrol-Gel. > It's a > sanitary lubricant made of U.S.P. mineral oil and other USP ingredients. > It's absolutely tasteless and odorless, _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 12:40:57 2008 From: "MSN" To: "'Tiger List'" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:42:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Contact information for Rob Martel I am trying to get in touch with Rob Martel to get some sheet metal parts for my Alpine. Would someone give me a current phone number to reach him? The number on his web site is wrong... Thanks, Wayne _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 13:47:03 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: MSN Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:47:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Contact information for Rob Martel Wayne, Rob Martel can be located through his web site: http://www.robmartel.com/ Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com MSN wrote: > I am trying to get in touch with Rob Martel to get some sheet metal parts > for my Alpine. Would someone give me a current phone number to reach him? > The number on his web site is wrong... > > Thanks, > > Wayne _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 13:51:12 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: MSN Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:51:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Contact information for Rob Martel Oh, Yes, He apparently does not want phone calls, so e-mail him through his own e-mail page: http://tellme.bss.ab.ca/prothos/tellme.x/main.p?!=public=12094121866575=1=20674460&Key=RME ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Laifman wrote: > Wayne, > > Rob Martel can be located through his web site: > > http://www.robmartel.com/ > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > MSN wrote: > >> I am trying to get in touch with Rob Martel to get some sheet metal parts >> for my Alpine. Would someone give me a current phone number to reach him? >> The number on his web site is wrong... >> >> Thanks, >> >> Wayne >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as slaifman@socal.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 14:46:38 2008 From: sunbeam john To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:46:50 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch The last owner of my Tiger installed a McLeod clutch and pressure plate. The clutch pedal is hard to depress and is killing my bad left knee. Does anyone have any suggestions to eliminate the hard pedal besides replacing the clutch and pressure plate? This Tiger has a 1968 302ci. with a MK2 Wide ratio top loader. Thank you, John sunbeamjohn@msn.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 14:49:24 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "sunbeam john" , Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:49:21 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch Hi John, Aside from switching to a smaller master cylinder diameter, you could put a vacuum booster on it. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sunbeam john Sent: April 28, 2008 2:47 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch The last owner of my Tiger installed a McLeod clutch and pressure plate. The clutch pedal is hard to depress and is killing my bad left knee. Does anyone have any suggestions to eliminate the hard pedal besides replacing the clutch and pressure plate? This Tiger has a 1968 302ci. with a MK2 Wide ratio top loader. Thank you, John sunbeamjohn@msn.com You are subscribed as theo.smit@dynastream.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 14:57:09 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: sunbeam john , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch When getting a clutch from David Kee, he had a pressure plate that was for the Tiger, I'm not sure if it was just less pressure on the springs, but I'll bet it was something like that. Look up his site at David Kee Top Loaders. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: sunbeam john To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 1:46:50 PM Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch The last owner of my Tiger installed a McLeod clutch and pressure plate. The clutch pedal is hard to depress and is killing my bad left knee. Does anyone have any suggestions to eliminate the hard pedal besides replacing the clutch and pressure plate? This Tiger has a 1968 302ci. with a MK2 Wide ratio top loader. Thank you, John sunbeamjohn@msn.com You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 15:36:32 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Sandy Ganz" , "sunbeam john" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:36:51 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch What's the stock mc bore? My clutch is hard as hell too. Gives me cramp in traffic! Po had a 7/8" tilton mc which I suspect is larger bore than stock. On 4/28/08, Sandy Ganz wrote: > When getting a clutch from David Kee, he had a pressure plate that was for > the Tiger, I'm not sure if it was just less pressure on the springs, but > I'll bet it was something like that. Look up his site at David Kee Top > Loaders. > > Sandy > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: sunbeam john > To: "tigers@autox.team.net" > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 1:46:50 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch > > The last owner of my Tiger installed a McLeod clutch and pressure plate. The > clutch pedal is hard to depress and is killing my bad left knee. Does anyone > have any suggestions to eliminate the hard pedal besides replacing the > clutch > and pressure plate? This Tiger has a 1968 302ci. with a MK2 Wide ratio top > loader. > > Thank you, > John > sunbeamjohn@msn.com > You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Apr 28 18:22:12 2008 From: Drmoonstone@aol.com To: sunbeamjohn@msn.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:22:02 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch You might look into Centerforce or Levy Racing in Mariposa, AZ (520-494-2745) Moonstone ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 07:23:19 2008 From: "Alvin Johnson" To: "sunbeam john" , Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:23:20 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch If you need a clutch & PPlatethat will work w/high horsepower and that regressive 288 rear, try Centerforce. It has light pedal pressure and grabs like stink. Got one in my Mustang. My Tiger ate clutches, but the 288 rear was the culprit. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 07:40:37 2008 From: Cushcom1@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:40:43 EDT Subject: [Tigers] INFO NEEDED DOES ANY SOCAL TIGER MAN OR WOMAN HAVE THE CONTACT FOR A MAGAZINE CALLED "MISSINFORMATION" THAT PROVIDES INFO ON CAR CLUBS AND UPCOMING EVENTS? THANKS FROM THE TIGERMAN, NOW ENSCONCED IN SAN DIEGO. **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 09:36:28 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:36:36 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Junkyard vacation (2 parts) Today I spent a pleasant Vermont spring day in a "hidden-away" junkyard. It's only 45 minutes from my house and I never knew it existed. Drive 5 miles up a dirt road and the "office" (falling down quanset hut style bldg.) is at the bottom of a mountain. A nice ole, "typically cautious of strangers", Vermont guy owns the place. Told him I was looking for an alternator bracket from a Ford small block. Said, "Yup there's probably some up there." I asked if my car would make it up the dirt road (trail) since it looked pretty rough. With the spring thaw it was just all muck and pretty steep. Said it "probably won't". He told me when I was leaving that he had to know somebody pretty well to let them take a vehicle up the mountain. Guess he's had some bad experiences with people filling their trunk with stolen parts. Anyway, I grabbed my 25 lb. bag of tools and headed up on foot. The place is all dirt roads, actually 2 tire ruts more than actual roads. The roads wind up and around the mountain. Off both sides of the road are woods. The woods are filled with cars, trucks, buses, RV's, boats, 18 wheelers, snowplows, snowmobiles, golf carts, bicycles, motorcycles, lawnmowers and anything else with wheels. All scattered about. Leading off the roads are trails with more vehicles to be found, hidden out of sight. No trails to some of these vehicles so you know that they were put in place 20, 30 and 40 years ago and the trees have since grown up to cover any traces of a way in. The place is full of vehicles dating back to the 30's and 40's with most of them from the 70's and the majority being pick em up trucks. Supposedly the collection started in 1958. **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 09:37:16 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:37:31 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Junkyard vacation (part 2) After about 15 minutes of hiking and lugging the tool bag I was exhausted...the roads felt like they would never end. But, if you like old vehicles it's almost like entering heaven. It feels like stepping back in time 40 years. The place is full of treasures. Absolutely no order to anything....all brands mixed together although the trucks seemed to be in bunches in different places. I'm still not sure I saw every road. The place really could use a map. I got so winded hiking up the mountain and then through the woods to look at this vehicle and that vehicle that I decided to set my tool bag down on the edge of the road. I figured I'd come back and get it if I needed tools. Big mistake. It took me 20 minutes to find the tool bag later. I couldn't find the right road. Anyway, I was like a kid in a candy store for 4 hours. Sun out, warm weather and all alone on the mountain with the old vehicles. I got 2 alternator brackets ($5 for the pair) and a few, small misc. things (no charge). And, this long winded account does have a point...... There is a mail delivery Jeep, right hand drive. The rear end is completely intact. Guy said he'd remove the whole rear end and put it in my truck for $150. So, my questions are....were all of these mail Jeep positraction usable in a Tiger? If not, what should I look for to identify it? Is this a decent price? Also a guy who worked "on the mountain" said he thought it was 4 wheel drive. I didn't check that. If it is, would there possibly be a usable posi in the front too? Thanks for bearing with me. For those of you who had to sit behind a desk today, don't worry. Your retirement days will come:-) Mark **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 10:26:25 2008 From: "Cullen McCann" To: , Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:25:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Junkyard vacation (part 2) Mark, you didn't bore me at all, I love the "barn find", cool junkyard stories...I drug my Tiger out of a shed in a little town in Oklahoma...stumbled across it by accident. I still drive through small towns peering into peoples backyards and analyzing shapes of cars under blue tarps. I'm totally obsessed with lost treasures.... As the 85 year old lady would say...."Jimmy had this old chevy before the war.....he died and now it just sits there in the garage for 30 years.....its says Korevette on it or something...you can have it if you want it...." Someday that will happen to me.... Thanks for the story...I'm envious of your junkyard trip. C Thanks for bearing with me. For those of you who had to sit behind a desk today, don't worry. Your retirement days will come:-) Mark _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 10:33:41 2008 From: Sjhcobra1@cs.com To: cmccann@lwpb.com ("Cullen McCann"), CoolVT@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:33:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Junkyard vacation (part 2) - Fun Reading Tom Cotter has written two books that are quite entertaining, "COBRA In a Barn" and "Hemi Barn Find". These are brief, true stories about different car discoveries. As a matter of fact Steve Silverstein's story is in the Cobra book. Steve Halbrook _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 10:39:41 2008 From: Sjhcobra1@cs.com To: twojohnsons@cox.net ("Alvin Johnson"), sunbeamjohn@msn.com ("sunbeam Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:39:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch I agree. The Centerforce II clutch is terrific. I have one in each of my Tigers and would recommend them to anyone. The Centerforce Dual Friction model is not as "driver friendly", but is a great hi-performance clutch. Steve Halbrook _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 10:52:37 2008 From: "Cullen McCann" To: Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:52:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch I third that agreement...I have had a RAM dual friction, and a centerforce, and some ford motorsport King Cobra clutches and stuff, all in front of a Borgwarner T5 in my mustangs....and the centerforce has by far the best grabbing without the pedal effort. Its what I have now and I love it. Daily driving the mustang 5.0 with 400 horse...I forget what transmission you are running, but the centerforce has the quality for sure. Cullen I agree. The Centerforce II clutch is terrific. I have one in each of my Tigers and would recommend them to anyone. The Centerforce Dual Friction model is not as "driver friendly", but is a great hi-performance clutch. Steve Halbrook _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 12:20:03 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:19:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Junkyard vacation (2 parts) Mark, Can you indicate a general area for this place. I would love to look it up on the Google satellite maps. It has become a "hobby" of mine. Also, I found it ironic that the "Landscape" you describe wouldn't make the Vermont travel bureau brochure. Thanks, Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 12:41:28 2008 From: "un-cole-a@juno.com" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:39:37 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Help from UK Tiger owners I have found a copy of "Tiger: Making of a sports car", by Mike Taylor on Amazon.uk The book is listed at 19pounds, can anyone tell me the exchange rate. I find this price very low considering what this book is going for on other web sites. Would like to acquire this book but this price seems to good to be true. Any help would be appreciated Thanks Tim B9470149 _____________________________________________________________ Click to recieve credit card help and get out of debt fast. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m2DUwknCCHjlTJREyJfF3vj1ju OpSmNjJgvvWXiOGIxjZg2/?count=1234567890 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 13:05:06 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:05:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Help from UK Tiger owners Tim, As of today the exchange rate is: 1.00 GBP = 1.96761 USD http://www.xe.com/ucc/ My recollection is the last time I saw the Taylor book sell on Bay was about 3 years ago at about $50-$75. I'm kind of fuzzy on that but I hope it is a ballpark figure to work with. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 13:11:10 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Alvin Johnson , Tiger's Den Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:10:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch Al, The problem is not the rear end 2.88 ratio. It's the too low first gear. I swapped out my "close ratio" (NOT), for the Mk II style "wide ratio". It has a taller (more mph/rpm) 1, 2, 3 gears and is NOT "wide spaced". Runs fine, and good lower gears. To see the difference, use Bob Hokanson's Excel calculator to examine speeds, rpm, etc., based on gearbox ratios, tire sizes, and rear end ratio's. A FREE copy of Microsoft's Excel is download able in the article link. An excellent tool. http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/HokansonGearSpeedXL/pt-HokansonGearSpeedXL.asp Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Alvin Johnson wrote: > If you need a clutch & PPlatethat will work w/high horsepower and that > regressive 288 rear, try Centerforce. It has light pedal pressure and grabs > like stink. Got one in my Mustang. > My Tiger ate clutches, but the 288 rear was the culprit. > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 13:14:18 2008 From: "Bob" To: Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:13:30 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] MC bore I'm not sure on the master cylinder size off of the top of my head, but anyone with this problem should verify the master and slave cylinders are the correct size. My wheel alignment guy once told me 'It takes two men and a boy to work that clutch'. I was 20 years old and thought nothing of it, it was what it was. Years later, the bolts in the pressure plate broke due to over-actuating the clutch (MC too big, or slave too small). When I fixed both the hydraulics and the pressure plate, the car was much easier to drive, even with a stiffer than stock pressure plate. Sometime in the cars life a previous owner or shop had put on the wrong part. --Bob >Message: 7 >Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:36:51 +0100 >From: "Owain Lloyd" >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch >To: "Sandy Ganz" , "sunbeam john" > , "tigers@autox.team.net" > >Message-ID: <39a841b0804281436i292fed3anb64dbd431c7ac34d@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >What's the stock mc bore? My clutch is hard as hell too. Gives me cramp in traffic! Po had a 7/8" >tilton mc which I suspect is larger bore than stock. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 13:15:28 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Steve Laifman" , "Alvin Johnson" Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:15:44 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch Nothing wrong with either the 2.88 ratio, or the 2.32 first gear. The rear tires were never meant to be turning at less than the equivalent of about 45 mph. Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 13:33:13 2008 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:33:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch John, I too can vouch for the Centerforce II clutch system. It was the only clutch that held up in my tweaked, over-boosted SVO Mustang, and the pedal effort was significantly reduced. Another thing to consider is changing the lever ratio between the clutch pedal and the throw-out lever. You can do this by: 1. Find a spare clutch pedal, cut it off just below the pivot, then weld the two pieces back together with a piece of bar stock in-between, lengthening the pedal. You will have to determine how much length you and the car can handle (no snide comments, please!). Even adding just an inch will reduce the pedal effort by 10% or so. It's awkward at first, but you get used to the new clutch pedal placement quickly. Make sure you have enough travel. 2. Go a bit smaller in diameter in your clutch master by having one sleeved down. Someone on the list may know of a smaller MC that you can buy. 3. Use a slightly larger diameter slave cylinder. Again, check to make sure there is enough travel to disengage the clutch. 4. There are several internal hydraulic slave cylinders available with different effective volumes, McLead comes to mind. Of course, if you are going this far, you might as well just change out the clutch/PP to a Centerforce. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sunbeam john Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 4:47 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch The last owner of my Tiger installed a McLeod clutch and pressure plate. The clutch pedal is hard to depress and is killing my bad left knee. Does anyone have any suggestions to eliminate the hard pedal besides replacing the clutch and pressure plate? This Tiger has a 1968 302ci. with a MK2 Wide ratio top loader. Thank you, John sunbeamjohn@msn.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 16:57:06 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:57:08 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Oil dipstick The question has come up a few times about finding the correct oil dipstick. A few weeks back I picked one up from a late 1970's Ford...can't remember the year or model. I put it side by side with my stock stick and if they were both installed all the way into the tube, the "full" or "safe" markings would be within 1/16" of each other. Trouble is, it has a yellow handle and yellow cup on it. The exterior shape is exactly like a stock Tiger's, but the rod part is much thinner and more flexible. Anyway, if you are looking for a replacement and can either put up with the yellow color or find a way of changing it, try this one. Should be pretty easy to change the color to black. I can tell you that it came out of a Ford that has the dipstick on the passenger side ( going directly into the oil pan). Also, some 1970's Fords have a yellow stick that looks exactly the same on the exterior as the one described above, but it's found on the driver side of the engine. I haven't checked dimensions to see how it compares with stock. M **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 17:43:54 2008 From: "Tony Day" To: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:48:01 +0930 Subject: [Tigers] Car Transport Hi I know this has been covered several times since I have been on the list but hopefully someone can help. I have just bought a Saleen Parnelli Jones Mustang and need to ship it from Lake Havasu AZ to Oakland CA in the next 2 weeks. I got quote from DAS and they will only pick it up in Las Vegas and deliver it to Hayward which doesn't help much. Regards Tony South Australia _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 18:05:05 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:04:54 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Car Transport Tony, While I only attempted to transport a lowly Pinto I did learn a lot investigating the matter. This is what I found: 1. "Anywhere" doesn't mean everywhere. 2. You are likely dealing with a broker. He offers an amount to a group of drivers and they select the hauls that make them the most money. So, if you "contract" to a low price you are held by that contract for generally 30 days and if the price is too low no driver will ever take the haul. You will wait, and wait, and wait. 3. You car is most likely to be put on/off a transport many times as haulers maximize their routes. 4. There was a $175 surcharge if the car failed to run under it's own power. Given the marginal condition of my car I saw it as "likely." In the end I flew 400 miles, rented a U-Haul truck and trailer and brought the car home. While I'm sure there are reputable shippers out there (and you will likely pay for it too) I would take a vacation day or two, fly to the destination and enjoy the drive back. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Day" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 4:18 PM Subject: [Tigers] Car Transport > Hi > > I know this has been covered several times since I have been on the list > but > hopefully someone can help. > I have just bought a Saleen Parnelli Jones Mustang and need to ship it > from > Lake Havasu AZ to Oakland CA in the next 2 weeks. > > I got quote from DAS and they will only pick it up in Las Vegas and > deliver > it to Hayward which doesn't help much. > > Regards > > Tony > South Australia > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as atwittsend@verizon.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1403 - Release Date: 4/29/2008 > 7:26 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 18:05:17 2008 From: "rande" To: un-cole-a@juno.com Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:05:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers-The Making of a Sports Car 25 pounds sterling is currently a good price for this book. Figure it amounts roughly to $50 US . Also factor in how much shipping will cost in addition. There are three versions of the book that I'm aware of. The earliest edition, 'first published 1979' includes a handful of nice color photos like the Harrington Tiger, one of the last Hartwell Tiger 2's and an orchid green Tiger 2 with a black vinyl-covered hardtop. The next edition, with the printing 'reprinted 1984' on the page next to the contents page, is essentially the same content but without the color photos. Both of these editions have a slip cover with a Tiger 1 on the cover. The third version, the 'Second Edition'was printed in 1991 and has additional chapters on race preparation, Tiger restoration, and 'Rootes Other V8 Adventure'. This edition has a Tiger 2 on the slip cover. Decide which edition you'd like, and ask the seller about condition and which version they're selling. The best payment plan as far as exchange rate is with a credit card, but expect some card companies to charge a fee for the exchange. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 20:04:53 2008 From: "Tony Day" To: "Tigers" Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:34:39 +0930 Subject: [Tigers] Car Transport 2 Hi Again Thanks to Thomas for his comments, it is a problem living on another continent but I must admit in my many years of dealing with Americans with the pay now I see it in anything up to 2 months all my dealings have been great. BUT this is the first time I have outlayed this much money and would love to see the Parnelli as I bought it. I have received a quote from a "family company" whose words seem to say what I want to hear. Has anyone had dealings good or bad with Trusty Transport out of Maryland. they state they run direct routes with no terminals. Oakland would certainly be on a direct roiute but I would hardly think Lake Havasu would be. Comments please Tony _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 20:37:40 2008 From: rmebstein@aol.com To: tonbren@chariot.net.au, Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:37:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Car Transport 2 I've moved a car with www.carmoves.com from AZ to the Bay Area and I've also used Rich's Classic Transport out of Nebraska to move a car from Utah to the Bay Area.?Both times my car(s) arrived fine. I also would not hesitate using www.intercitylines.com. They're well-known within the Porsche community.?FedEx also has a service, which I know nothing about. Rodney _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 21:13:38 2008 From: Stephen Waybright To: tonbren@chariot.net.au, Tigers@autox.team.net, rmebstein@aol.com Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Car Transport 2 I've used Intercity Lines for about 11 cross country car moves (two relos of 4 cars at once, plus a few other single car transports). You can't beat their service and care and they pickup and deliver door to door. The driver even checked all four cars coolant and added antifreeze as needed when I moved from Houston to the New York in the middle of February. This was a few hours after he had picked up the cars and I called his cell # when I realized I hadn't checked it (I generally ran distilled water w/ "Water weter in Houston). Their cost is reasonable against other enclosed carriers when I've checked. Stephen Waybright _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 22:15:54 2008 From: "Tiger Man" To: "Tony Day" , Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:15:38 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Car Transport I looked into shipping a car once and a motorcycle once. Both times were educational in that I found that most of the people offering to ship the car were brokers, and they would call and call and call and call even after you told them no thanks. The brokers also seemed willing to promise you anything on the phone, but the written quotes contained loopholes that based on some horror stories I heard, could be very ugly when they don't pick up the car when they say, or they take 4 times as long to deliver it, and argue with you over the damage they cause. I ended up driving or flying to pick up the vehicle both times, it was just cheaper and easier for me. But the list has had several recommendations in the past. I know one of them was for Passport auto transport, which has been bought by Fedex Custom Critical several years ago, and seems to have the specialize enclosed trucks for transporting with lift mechanisms so your car doesn't even have to drive up a ramp. Good luck, and let us know how it turns out. Steve . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Day" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 5:18 PM Subject: [Tigers] Car Transport > Hi > > I know this has been covered several times since I have been on the list > but > hopefully someone can help. > I have just bought a Saleen Parnelli Jones Mustang and need to ship it > from > Lake Havasu AZ to Oakland CA in the next 2 weeks. > > I got quote from DAS and they will only pick it up in Las Vegas and > deliver > it to Hayward which doesn't help much. > > Regards > > Tony > South Australia > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tigerman67@hotmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 22:42:31 2008 From: Peter MacDonald To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:42:39 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Central CA listers help? My next project involves redoing my Dad's '73 Ranchero GT. I have an offer of 2 rust free doors for free! The catch is that they are located near Salinas,CA and the fellow who has them won't ship them. If anyone can help out please contact me off list. I would gladly pay for gas & costs involved. Actually gas here was above $1.30/liter today! Peter _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Apr 29 22:48:02 2008 From: "michael king" To: "Peter MacDonald" Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:48:22 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Central CA listers help? On 30/04/2008, Peter MacDonald wrote: > > Actually gas here was above $1.30/liter > today! > > > Peter I fueled my tiger last night... AU$67.38 for 43 litres..... AU$ is about US$0.93 at the moment.. these things are not cheap to run! -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 00:53:41 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, Cullen McCann Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch- IL. Hillman and Tiger- S5 too If memory srevs, centerforce makse 3 clutches- one for a stock type drive train, the middle one for a higher HP output and the last for all out race cars. I bought the middle one although Im not running enough power to warrant but was thinking about the future. I love the clutch compared to all Ive bought previously and it was a next day delivery at O'Rileys parts store and priced less than Summitt I believe. TonytheTiger PS- There is a Hillman north of me- orginal tires still on the car (Its ON EPAY)A Vauxall engine and tranny- 13k miles or so- has set for years inside- interior dry rotted but owner told me it wasnt rusty- he did or perhaps his Dad sprayed it years ago- 217 779 0562 if anyone is interested. I think he is about 220 miles from me IF anyone is really interested, I will make a personal inspection for gas cost. Also a Tiger north of me about 1.5 hours or less. I met the owners last fall. He claimed the Tiger stood straight up when his son attempted to drag race it at a local drag strip. Barry in Evansville knows the folks. Also a nice S5. I didnt find any trace of rivets behind the gas tanks and there is no side moulding- I cant swear to the generator dent BUT Im thiking there wasnt one. He said the car was registered w/ Norm prior to his purchase but I would want another inspection prior to making a statement about authenticity- SO, please, no one say that I said it isnt a real Tiger. The body was straight with no apparent rust repair- I would also go and inspect, take pics etc if there is anyone really interested. He had 3 other big block , factory four speed fords BUT my friend went to look at those, I was looking at the Beams, so Im not sure what the models where BUT nice cars to own, that much I do remember- I have that number too- email me off list if you want to talk to the owner. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 06:22:38 2008 From: "Robert J. Wanty" To: "michael king" , "Peter MacDonald" Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:22:33 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Central CA listers help? --===============1945614250== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-class: urn:content-classes:message At least it is only 11 gallons at a time, My boat holds 275 gallons and gets 0.75 MPG!!! Bob B382001318 -----Original Message----- From: michael king [mailto:michael.s.king@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:48 AM To: Peter MacDonald Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Central CA listers help? On 30/04/2008, Peter MacDonald wrote: > > Actually gas here was above $1.30/liter > today! > > > Peter I fueled my tiger last night... AU$67.38 for 43 litres..... AU$ is about US$0.93 at the moment.. these things are not cheap to run! -- Regards Michael King You are subscribed as rjw@wengco.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1402 - Release Date: 4/28/2008 1:29 PM Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1402 - Release Date: 4/28/2008 1:29 PM --===============1945614250== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============1945614250==-- From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 06:27:33 2008 From: GRMTim@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:27:44 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Classic Motorsports Tiger finished Our car is pretty much done and we are taking it for its first public showing this weekend at Road Atlanta for the Mitty. Ford is the featured marque and Ford is sponsoring a huge car corral. I would love to show you guys the car and compare notes. Details on both the car and this event are at our site: www.ClassicMotorsports.com. Stories start in the July issue that just went to press along with a side story on buying Tigers and the Doane Spencer car. Also wrote something on Tiger clubs. You can order this issue for free on our site or pick it up on newsstands in about four weeks. I am very happy with how the car came out and want to thank all of you who helped me build it, especially Tom Hall at ModTiger Engineering and Bill Martin of Rootes Group Depot. Also need to shout out to Johnn Weber, the guys at Abacus Racing, who built one hell of an engine, Curt from Classic Sunbeam, Tiger Joe, who happens to live in my neighborhood and who has proven to be indispensible and Barry Schonberger for helping me put the perfect rear end together. The car is docile and comfortable on the street and well, just a Tiger when you hit the gas. Still need to sort a few things but man am I happy with how this one came out. My life long dream to own a nice Tiger is now fullfilled. Can't wait to run some tours and take it to Monterey this summer. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 07:05:38 2008 From: PhastPhill@aol.com To: michael.s.king@gmail.com, macdonald49@shaw.ca Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:05:34 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Central CA listers help? In 1995 I paid AU $1.50 per liter for "petrol" at Rabbit Flat. Had to camp over night to get it as it's only open 3-4 days a week. I was happy to get it as I don't think we had enough to do the whole Tanimi Track and I was not going to try and find out. I used to have an old dual fuel Torana as well in Adelaide and "gas" was much cheaper than "petrol", and the old chevy six did'nt seem to mind. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 07:15:40 2008 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:14:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Car Transport 2 I have used Passport on several occasions, they are owned by FedEx now but still offer the enclosed trailer door-to-door service. You can get a quote instantly from them by going on to their website. I just checked the rates for a move and they were competitive with the two other companies I checked. All of them are now charging a substantial fuel surcharge. http://passport.fedex.com Bugz _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 08:10:26 2008 From: "un-cole-a@juno.com" To: rjw@wengco.com Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:07:11 GMT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Central CA listers help? Time to sell the boat and get another Tiger :) Or trade the boat in for a smaller one. 275 gallons!!! How big is the boat??? _____________________________________________________________ Help is here! Click now for simple and easy Financial Advice. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m2fnEpseNEMEyq93jyVJz642NV xcXeztdSklase8MN8lFV4/?count=1234567890 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 10:13:03 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:11:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Classic Motorsports Tiger finished The site listed in Tim's email was http://www.classicmotorsports.com/ . That turned out to be a Corvette sales site. I'm sure Tim is a busy guy and meant to link us to http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 10:22:49 2008 From: GRMTim@aol.com To: atwittsend@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:22:50 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Classic Motorsports Tiger finished Yes, it is correct in my signature. Either classicmotorsports.net (where the Tiger is) or GrassrootsMotorsports.com Thanks. I should proof my own stuff better. Didn't really have time to post this a.m., but wanted to let people know car wa done and will be at the Mitty. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 In a message dated 4/30/08 12:13:05 PM, atwittsend@verizon.net writes: > The site listed in Tim's email was http://www.classicmotorsports.com/ . > That turned out to be a Corvette sales site. > > I'm sure Tim is a busy guy and meant to link us to > http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as grmtim@aol.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 17:51:05 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Thomas Witt Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:37:08 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Classic Motorsports Tiger finished Thom, et all The correct address is: http://www.classicmotorsports.net/ Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Thomas Witt wrote: > The site listed in Tim's email was http://www.classicmotorsports.com/ . > That turned out to be a Corvette sales site. > > I'm sure Tim is a busy guy and meant to link us to > http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 18:52:11 2008 From: "George Re" To: "Tigers" Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:21:35 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hose clamps I know I asked before about this but I would like to know this before this weekend. Would anyone know the hose clamp sizes? for a 260 Tiger upper and lower and heater hose size. Thank You George Re _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 19:06:32 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:37:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Central CA listers help? Bob, Is there any way you can put a Prius on board and hook the wheels up to the prop shaft. -- Bill -- At least it is only 11 gallons at a time, My boat holds 275 gallons and gets 0.75 MPG!!! Bob B382001318 -----Original Message----- From: michael king [mailto:michael.s.king@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:48 AM To: Peter MacDonald Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Central CA listers help? On 30/04/2008, Peter MacDonald wrote: > > Actually gas here was above $1.30/liter > today! > > > Peter I fueled my tiger last night... AU$67.38 for 43 litres..... AU$ is about US$0.93 at the moment.. these things are not cheap to run! -- Regards _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 20:53:29 2008 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net, "Robert J. Wanty" Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:31:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 275 gallon boat Bob: Most of us enjoy the sound of our Tigers, so spending our money on gas for them is a necessary evil. However, going out on the water is much more inviting, IMHO, in a sailboat. Much quieter, which occasionally appeals to me in my old age, and much more economical! Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Apr 30 23:57:23 2008 From: "Robert Palmer" To: "'Bob'" , Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:21:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] MC bore The master cylinder and slave cylinder bores have nothing to do with the force on the pressure plate bolts - just the pressure on your foot. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rpalmerbob=roadrunner.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rpalmerbob=roadrunner.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:14 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] MC bore I'm not sure on the master cylinder size off of the top of my head, but anyone with this problem should verify the master and slave cylinders are the correct size. My wheel alignment guy once told me 'It takes two men and a boy to work that clutch'. I was 20 years old and thought nothing of it, it was what it was. Years later, the bolts in the pressure plate broke due to over-actuating the clutch (MC too big, or slave too small). When I fixed both the hydraulics and the pressure plate, the car was much easier to drive, even with a stiffer than stock pressure plate. Sometime in the cars life a previous owner or shop had put on the wrong part. --Bob >Message: 7 >Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:36:51 +0100 >From: "Owain Lloyd" >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch >To: "Sandy Ganz" , "sunbeam john" > , "tigers@autox.team.net" > >Message-ID: <39a841b0804281436i292fed3anb64dbd431c7ac34d@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >What's the stock mc bore? My clutch is hard as hell too. Gives me cramp in traffic! Po had a 7/8" >tilton mc which I suspect is larger bore than stock. You are subscribed as rpalmerbob@roadrunner.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon May 12 00:54:05 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Wayne Pierzga , Tiger's Den Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:53:59 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Contact information for Rob Martel Wayne, & Tigers, Due to a request from Wayne for information on Rob Martel, I sent him an e-mail. He responded in the attached correspondence. I am sorry that he is no longer in the Tiger parts business. However, I disagree with his referral to Vic Brit, and recommend Sunbeam Specialties as a respected, reliable and high quality supplier. -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com X-Account-Key: account1 Return-Path: Received: from hrndva-mxlb.mail.rr.com ([10.128.255.13]) by hrndva-imta06.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080429222309.DCDS16536.hrndva-imta06.mail.rr.com@hrndva-mxlb.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:23:09 +0000 X-IronPort: hrndva-mx10.mail.rr.com 498359580 X-RR-Connecting-IP: 65.55.175.146 Received: from blu139-omc1-s6.blu139.hotmail.com ([65.55.175.146]) by hrndva-mxlb.mail.rr.com with ESMTP; 29 Apr 2008 22:23:08 +0000 Received: from BLU140-W1 ([65.55.162.181]) by blu139-omc1-s6.blu139.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:23:08 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: robmartel@hotmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Originating-IP: [142.46.85.194] From: Rob Martel To: Steve Laifman , , Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [Tigers] Contact information for Rob Martel] Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:23:08 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4816483E.8020607@SoCal.rr.com> References: <4816483E.8020607@SoCal.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Apr 2008 22:23:08.0731 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A3F78B0:01C8AA47] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Hi Steve I am presently working on a new intake plenium for the new 6.3 Ltr BOSS Mustang and am not doing much Sunbeam work. My website is due for an update, but it won't be with Sunbeams. Due to a royal F*****g from a Pathological liar named Tom Clare, my interest in Sunbeams has been severed . Thank Tom for my retirement and Please take me off your contact list. If interested, check out a small display of my craftsmanship at www.robmartel.shutterfly.com I will contact Wayne, I sold him some parts ten years ago for his MK2 Tiger and he was very happy. Those that stand tall always are. I'll stand back and send future customer's to Victoria British. Rob Martel a.k.a Tigger ate: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:57:18 -0700From: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.comTo: robmartel@hotmail.comCC: w_pierzga@msn.comSubject: [Fwd: Re: [Tigers] Contact information for Rob Martel] Rob,A Tiger List Member, Wayne, seems to have difficulty reaching you. Here is a copy of our correspondence.If you are still in business, please respond.If you are not, let me know to remove you from our "Suppliers List" on TigersUnited.com.Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com --Forwarded Message Attachment--From: w_pierzga@msn.comTo: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.comSubject: RE: [Tigers] Contact information for Rob MartelDate: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:26:52 -0400 Steve: Are you sure he is still around? I tried the phone number on his catalog and it is WRONG  someone answers who says he is not Martel but gets lots of call for him. I have not received a reply to my emails to him or to his Tell Me page. Best wishes, Wayne From: Steve Laifman [mailto:SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 3:52 PMTo: MSNCc: 'Tiger List'Subject: Re: [Tigers] Contact information for Rob Martel Oh, Yes,He apparently does not want phone calls, so e-mail him through his own e-mail page:http://tellme.bss.ab.ca/prothos/tellme.x/main.p?!=public=12094121866575= 1=20674460&Key=RME___Steve LaifmanEditor - TigersUnited.com Steve Laifman wrote: Wayne, Rob Martel can be located through his web site: http://www.robmartel.com/ Steve ___Steve LaifmanEditor - TigersUnited.com MSN wrote: I am trying to get in touch with Rob Martel to get some sheet metal partsfor my Alpine. Would someone give me a current phone number to reach him?The number on his web site is wrong... 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