From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 1 11:57:22 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 10:49:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 13 inch tires Tigers, Why wonder what the effects are of changing transmission, rear end, and tire sizes are, when it is so easy to find out almost everything you wanted to know? The TigersUnited.com website already has the answer from Bob Hokanson (father of Mike). http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/HokansonGearSpeedXL/pt-HokansonGearSpeedXL.asp Download the "Transmission Calculator.xls" Excel spread sheet, and the free Excel Calculator, if you do not have one. Shows data for selectable rear axle ratios, tire diameters, transmission gears, etc, already preset to the most popular ones. You can change nearly all parameters, including tire diameter. In the case of the Sumitomo 215-50-13 discussed, the tire diameter is 21.26 inches (per the Tire Rack site), and results in a 4th (1:1) transmission and a 2.88:1 rear axle (stock) speed on 22 mph/1000 rpm. At 5000 rpm the road speed would be 22x5 = 110 mph. You can get this information for any rpm, rear axle ratio, and transmission gear with this tool. Thank You, Mike!!!! Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Thomas Witt wrote: > I have the Sumitomo 215-50-13" on my Datsun 510. This small height tire > really affected the rear ratio. 1st gear was good to the crosswalk. I was > hitting 3rd gear before I got through the intersection. 60 MPH was 4,000 > RPM. Thankfully the Z rears fit the 510. I went from 3.90 to 3.36 gears. It > made all the difference. > > I'd say to factor everything in before using these tires on a Tiger. Then > again, if you have a close ratio trans and getting off the line is of the > highest order of importance.... . > Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 1 14:33:05 2008 From: "Buck Trippel" To: Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:04:01 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Engine ID With all the recent talk about SBF engine IDs I noticed one of the list members consulted Bob Mannel's book on Small Block Ford Engines, which I want to comment on. It's the best book I've run across about our SBF engines. I've relied on my copy for years.Besides the basic engines, it also covers engine mounted accessories from fans to oil pans. It starts with the 221 and finishes with the 1969 model year. Unfortunately the book was costly - I think I paid around $60 dollars for it. I noticed it's on sale now on his web site for $35 plus $5 shipping. I wish this deal had been around when I bought my copy. http://www.fordsmallblock.com/ Buck Trippel _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 1 15:49:59 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Buck Trippel'" , Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:27:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine ID Buck I second that and I think it is worth every penny I paid. This book is about 1 1/2" thick and it is jam packed with pictures that cover all aspects of the engine. There is more information in this book then you can possibly digest. It is the best reference book I have about SBF engines. I Emailed Bob Mannel a few times to see if he might have run across any records for the 260 and 289's that were sent to Rootes, the 510 engine code on the 260 engine tag or any information at all; he did not have any information related to the Tiger engines. I wish Bob had a 3rd volume of similar content that covered bell housings, clutch, pressure plates and transmission for SBF. Don't hold your breath about that, he exhausted himself for 17 years researching the engine book. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Buck Trippel Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 4:04 PM To: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Engine ID With all the recent talk about SBF engine IDs I noticed one of the list members consulted Bob Mannel's book on Small Block Ford Engines, which I want to comment on. It's the best book I've run across about our SBF engines. I've relied on my copy for years.Besides the basic engines, it also covers engine mounted accessories from fans to oil pans. It starts with the 221 and finishes with the 1969 model year. Unfortunately the book was costly - I think I paid around $60 dollars for it. I noticed it's on sale now on his web site for $35 plus $5 shipping. I wish this deal had been around when I bought my copy. http://www.fordsmallblock.com/ Buck Trippel You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1585 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 6:39 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 1 18:06:51 2008 From: Greg To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Red Tiger Advertising Banner Hello everyone, I just received one of these Tiger Advertising Banners made by someone in Canada who knows what he's doing. The actual product looks better than his eBay fotos. It's a good size too. Here's the eBay link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=004&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=140253256844&rd=1 Item no: 140253256844 He also is selling an Alpine Ad Banner too: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140253254705 Item no: 140253254705 I'm not in business with him, I'm just a happy customer. So check it out if you like. Cheerio, Greg. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 1 22:38:21 2008 From: "michael king" To: "Tigers Den" Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:09:44 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Thanks- dan walters info Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for some contact info for dan, i should be able to reach him when he returns from holidays. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 2 16:48:40 2008 From: "Norman C. Miller" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:35:03 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] PAPER PUSSY http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/pistonheads/lloyds-of-london.htm ncm Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1586 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 6:59 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 2 17:26:30 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 18:24:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] PAPER PUSSY I can't imagine why people don't catch on to these frauds by just reading the description. A person doesn't need any knowledge of Sunbeams to get nervous about this ad. If I wasn't aware of what is trying to be perpetrated the description would make me think it was stolen. Has anyone ever gone back after a sale and sued the seller of an Alger for false advertising. ........ Good work Norm.......... -- Bill -- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 2 18:44:43 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: mrlau@charter.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 20:44:52 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] PAPER PUSSY I tihnk the problem is that in some circumstances "re-bodied" cars seem to be acceptable. It seems to me that re-bodying a Tiger is a little tougher....can't really lift a damaged body off the frame and replace it. Mark **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 3 06:33:23 2008 From: CMeinel464@aol.com To: rootes1@earthlink.net Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 08:33:22 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] PAPER PUSSY Norm, Keep up the great work...... Curt Classic Sunbeam Inc. In a message dated 8/2/2008 6:49:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rootes1@earthlink.net writes: http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/pistonheads/lloyds-of-london.htm ncm No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1586 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 6:59 PM You are subscribed as cmeinel464@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 3 17:13:08 2008 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 19:12:40 EDT Subject: [Tigers] ALGER?? E-bay item # 170246146672 Battery relocated? What you have here is an extremely rare, very fast machine. There were only 2700 Sunbeam Tiger Mark 1Abs made. This car has been professionally restored by Syndicate in San Diego, Ca and has only 1700 miles on it since its restoration. It has 4 wheel disc brakes. The battery has been relocated to the trunk with an emergency shut off switch. It has an estimated $20,000.00 invested into the engine alone. It has a custom paint, interior, and a custom roll cage along with 5 point racing harnesses. The car only weighs 2300 lbs. and has been estimated to have between 400-500 hp, so it is incredibly fast. This car really has too much to list. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000500000000 17 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 3 17:31:32 2008 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: mmichels@socal.rr.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 19:31:40 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALGER?? Where is the battery in a Alpine?? Behind the r seat?? In a message dated 8/3/2008 4:28:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mmichels@socal.rr.com writes: I was wondering about this one, too. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: [Tigers] ALGER?? > E-bay item # 170246146672 Battery relocated? > > What you have here is an extremely rare, very fast machine. There were > only > 2700 Sunbeam Tiger Mark 1Abs made. This car has been professionally > restored > by Syndicate in San Diego, Ca and has only 1700 miles on it since its > restoration. It has 4 wheel disc brakes. The battery has been relocated > to > the trunk > with an emergency shut off switch. It has an estimated $20,000.00 > invested > into the engine alone. It has a custom paint, interior, and a custom roll > cage > along with 5 point racing harnesses. The car only weighs 2300 lbs. and > has > been estimated to have between 400-500 hp, so it is incredibly fast. This > car > really has too much to list. > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/ex pert-review?ncid=aolaut000500000000 > 17 ) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mmichels@socal.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 3 18:20:22 2008 From: "Mike Michels" To: , Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 17:20:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALGER?? I believe so. It's where the fuel pump is on Tigers. ----- Original Message ----- From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: mmichels@socal.rr.com ; tigers@Autox.Team.Net Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALGER?? Where is the battery in a Alpine?? Behind the r seat?? In a message dated 8/3/2008 4:28:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mmichels@socal.rr.com writes: I was wondering about this one, too. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: [Tigers] ALGER?? > E-bay item # 170246146672 Battery relocated? > > What you have here is an extremely rare, very fast machine. There were > only > 2700 Sunbeam Tiger Mark 1Abs made. This car has been professionally > restored > by Syndicate in San Diego, Ca and has only 1700 miles on it since its > restoration. It has 4 wheel disc brakes. The battery has been relocated > to > the trunk > with an emergency shut off switch. It has an estimated $20,000.00 > invested > into the engine alone. It has a custom paint, interior, and a custom roll > cage > along with 5 point racing harnesses. The car only weighs 2300 lbs. and > has > been estimated to have between 400-500 hp, so it is incredibly fast. This > car > really has too much to list. > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000500000000 > 17 ) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mmichels@socal.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 3 18:30:57 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:32:05 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALGER?? What gets me is the "professionally restored" and then... The convertible top has not been restored. The car does not have windows. The speedometer does not give an accurate speed reading. It has no gas gauge. The blinker arm tends to move sometimes which turns on the left blinker. Other than the things listed above this car is cherry! Also, can someone tell me what you can put into a small block that could run the cost to "over $20,000?" But, I like the car. Mark **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 3 18:32:02 2008 From: Landcmitch@aol.com To: mmichels@socal.rr.com, AAAGLASSS@aol.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:32:11 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALGER?? Who put the lube spec tag on upside down? Charlie In a message dated 8/3/2008 5:20:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mmichels@socal.rr.com writes: I believe so. It's where the fuel pump is on Tigers. ----- Original Message ----- From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: mmichels@socal.rr.com ; tigers@Autox.Team.Net Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALGER?? Where is the battery in a Alpine?? Behind the r seat?? In a message dated 8/3/2008 4:28:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mmichels@socal.rr.com writes: I was wondering about this one, too. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: [Tigers] ALGER?? > E-bay item # 170246146672 Battery relocated? > > What you have here is an extremely rare, very fast machine. There were > only > 2700 Sunbeam Tiger Mark 1Abs made. This car has been professionally > restored > by Syndicate in San Diego, Ca and has only 1700 miles on it since its > restoration. It has 4 wheel disc brakes. The battery has been relocated > to > the trunk > with an emergency shut off switch. It has an estimated $20,000.00 > invested > into the engine alone. It has a custom paint, interior, and a custom roll > cage > along with 5 point racing harnesses. The car only weighs 2300 lbs. and > has > been estimated to have between 400-500 hp, so it is incredibly fast. This > car > really has too much to list. > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000500000000 > 17 ) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mmichels@socal.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. You are subscribed as landcmitch@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 3 18:33:34 2008 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: , , , Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:33:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALGER?? That would be the "professional restorers." Couldn't resist that one...... Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 3 21:23:43 2008 From: "James E. Pickard" To: "Tiger List" Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 22:16:10 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Rubber stop removal There are four rubber stops under the hood, one at each corner of the engine bay. How do you remove them? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 3 21:26:09 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: geowiz.sgy@cox.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 23:21:51 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rubber stop removal The front ones have nuts that you can reach from underneath. I believe the the rear ones have captive nuts...just turn them counter clock wise. If I remember right, they all have lock nuts on top that have to be loosened first. M **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 3 21:59:45 2008 From: "Mike Michels" To: "Tiger Email List" Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:00:16 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Rubber stop removal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Michels" To: "James E. Pickard" Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rubber stop removal > Use a crow foot adapter on a socket wrench extension. I think it's a half > inch size. This will loosen the lock nut and then you can unscrew the > bumper from the threaded insert. Hit it with a little penetrating oil if > it looks old and rusty. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James E. Pickard" > To: "Tiger List" > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 8:16 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Rubber stop removal > > >> There are four rubber stops under the hood, one at each corner of the >> engine >> bay. How do you remove them? Thanks. >> >> Jim Pickard >> B9473298 ('65 Tiger) >> AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold >> 2003 Mini Cooper >> Lafayette, LA >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as mmichels@socal.rr.com >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 4 08:18:27 2008 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: shutchin@netjets.com, Landcmitch@aol.com, mmichels@socal.rr.com, Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:18:30 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALGER?? The battery is indeed behind the passenger seat in Alpines, under the shelf behind the seat. My friend has two, a Series III and a IV. The battery sits in a box; the cover is the same as the cover over the Tiger fuel pump. Was there a TAC sticker on the car? I doubt it. Fred Baum 9470768 **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 4 08:32:53 2008 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 09:32:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALGER?? It certainly looks authentic to me, I just get the impression the owner doesn't know a lot about it. He says the battery has been relocated to the rear....which was standard on the tiger; he might think it was done by the PO? Either he is talking about the car as if his audience was uninformed, or he himself sounds a little uninformed. Nice car though, I like the way it was put together, personally. I don't know that he's making 400-500 horse like he says he is....not that its impossible, but its always easier to say it than it is to do it. Cullen _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 4 15:03:33 2008 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:03:25 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Re ALGER ?? I saw this car offered for sale on a Lotus website about 3 weeks ago as a Mk2 Tiger for $49,500. I wrote him mentioning the spec plate was upside down and the vin if accurate indicates a Mk1A. He said he didn't know anything about the car bu was selling for a friend. It quickly appeared on ebay wih a very large price reduction from the first quote I was given. Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 4 15:07:05 2008 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:07:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Re ALGER ?? I saw this car offered for sale on a Lotus website about 3 weeks ago as a Mk2 Tiger for $49,500. I wrote him mentioning the spec plate was upside down and the vin if accurate indicates a Mk1A. He said he didn't know anything about the car bu was selling for a friend. It quickly appeared on ebay wih a very large price reduction from the first quote I was given. Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 4 15:27:30 2008 From: vegaslegal@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:23:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Alger? It's supposed to be an MK1A.? Isn't the question suppose to be:? Who put the lube tag on at all? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 4 15:27:41 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: sralsten@ca.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:24:28 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Re ALGER ?? I don't know how the spec plate got upside down, but the rivets sure look real. Mark **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 4 17:17:49 2008 From: "Jim" To: , , Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 16:17:54 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Re ALGER ?? My 2 cents... The spec plate rivets aren't real...and after B382001200...there shouldn't BE rivets ( or holes for them ) let alone a spec plate..! No Mk1A's came with a plate and only the first 1200 had rivets in the holes that someone forgot to stop drilling...! lol! The VIN plate rivets look a little 'more' real as the inside hole is a little smaller...but I think 'original's' have a little smaller hole yet... Having said that...the plate itself actually looks good to me... I've studied a lot of pics of them ... it would seem that the VIN plates weren't stamped with ALL the #'s at the same time...You can see 2 different letter styles on most of them. It looks like they maybe put B382000 LRXFE and on the later ones... B382001 LRXFE on and filled in the actual # and colour code later.. you can see it on that car with '1541' as the first '1' is a different style than the last '1' ...this seems pretty typical... I've also noticed that there is a little extra space between the 'F" and the 'E' if you look real close...This is consistent with most that I've seen .. There's a bunch of other little nuances but for what it's worth...I'd say it's a real plate...where it came from ...who knows... Now that we've scrutinized that part of the car to death...what's next...?? LOL!! BTW, my car has a bogus VIN plate (and original rivets in the spec plate holes)...but the rest of the #'s match ...and it's 'TAC'ed' ...so I do sleep at night... lol!! Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jim=island.net@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jim=island.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: August 4, 2008 2:24 PM To: sralsten@ca.rr.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Re ALGER ?? I don't know how the spec plate got upside down, but the rivets sure look real. Mark **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000 017 ) You are subscribed as jim@island.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 4 17:41:53 2008 From: Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:41:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 1966 Mark Ia for sale 1966 Mark Ia B382002355LXFE - Carnival red #39 paint code - 500 cfm holley - Wiand-stealth 8020 intake manifold - Edelbrock 6032 aluminum heads - Edelbrock 2122a camshaft - Edelbrock bolt bushes, bolt kit, and pushrods - ceramic coated headers - 2-1/4' exhaust - 11K on rebuilt 302 engine - new dash board and dash pad - steering wheel refinished - original Rootes radio and clock - centerforce clutch - Hurst shift kit - wide-ratio transmission - rebuilt front end including powder coated cross member - driveshaft u-joints replaced - excellent soft top - driver paint quality - body very good - interior in very good condition - 5 - 13" Shelby "minilite-style" wheels 195-70-13 tires - all Tiger accessories (air cleaner, overflow bottle, etc.) - not matching hardtop needing refinishing included Fast, solid, turn key car. $28,000 Call Bill (Uxbridge, Ontario, CANADA ) 705 228-1106 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 4 17:44:52 2008 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: CoolVT@aol.com, sralsten@ca.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:44:47 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Re ALGER ?? Per the BON Lube Spec plates were deleted from B9473312 on but the holes and rivets remained. The rivets and holes were eliminated with B382001200 If its a MKIA it should have no lube plate unless the PO added it. Dave In a message dated 8/4/2008 4:28:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, CoolVT@aol.com writes: I don't know how the spec plate got upside down, but the rivets sure look real. Mark **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut0005000000001 7 ) You are subscribed as djoh797014@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 4 18:19:58 2008 From: Jeff Howarth To: Cullen McCann Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 01:15:36 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] ALGER?? or TIGER ???? All, Did anyone read that the car was restored by 'syndicate' - I googled it and its a custom shop in San Diego- does anyone know it ? Their website has a few nice looking cars with lots of $$ spent. Not the sort of shop you would go to in order to fake a tiger if the site is accurate. IMHO I think we should use our knowledge to check out cars with an open mind and not shoot form the hip as soon as a non expert description is discovered. There are a lot of owners outside of this group, its not the easiest to find these days for a new owner. Don't get me wrong, Fraudsters are best confirmed, lined up then shot square between the cats eyes - just above the grille centre badge ! (alternatively, facilities permitting, dropped into the Tiger pen at the local zoo) :-) Maybe an open offer of authentication from the CAT / STOA / STOC etc website could be used as a way of welcoming Tiger owners / Sellers. A first impression of - Challenge, doubt and conjecture put off potential owners and enthusiasts as well as fraudsters. Any thoughts ? regards. Jeff In message <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647335261DC0B@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>, Cullen McCann writes >It certainly looks authentic to me, I just get the impression the owner >doesn't know a lot about it. He says the battery has been relocated to the >rear....which was standard on the tiger; he might think it was done by the >PO? > >Either he is talking about the car as if his audience was uninformed, or he >himself sounds a little uninformed. > >Nice car though, I like the way it was put together, personally. I don't know >that he's making 400-500 horse like he says he is....not that its impossible, >but its always easier to say it than it is to do it. > >Cullen >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as jeff@v8tiger.demon.co.uk > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > -- Jeff Howarth _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 4 18:29:02 2008 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: jeff@v8tiger.demon.co.uk, cmccann@lwpb.com Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:29:17 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALGER?? or TIGER ???? In a message dated 8/4/2008 5:20:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jeff@v8tiger.demon.co.uk writes: Any thoughts ? I'm of the mind that this list tends to "guilty until proven innocent" in the stance towards any car that isn't obviously original...and I'm not rendering a value judgement on that, just noting...it is somewhat humorous to observe, however. Mike **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 4 18:43:22 2008 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: MWood24020@aol.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:43:25 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALGER?? or TIGER ???? How about you buy it and let us know if it's a Tiger! In a message dated 8/4/2008 5:29:27 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, MWood24020@aol.com writes: In a message dated 8/4/2008 5:20:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jeff@v8tiger.demon.co.uk writes: Any thoughts ? I'm of the mind that this list tends to "guilty until proven innocent" in the stance towards any car that isn't obviously original...and I'm not rendering a value judgement on that, just noting...it is somewhat humorous to observe, however. Mike **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut0005000000001 7 ) You are subscribed as aaaglasss@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 4 18:47:57 2008 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:48:07 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALGER?? or TIGER ???? In a message dated 8/4/2008 5:44:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, AAAGLASSS@aol.com writes: How about you buy it and let us know if it's a Tiger! :-) No, I already have my Tiger...but, if there's someone interested in the car, I'd be happy, as a TAC Inspector, to get another TAC Inspector and Senior Inspector together and check it out...for a reasonable per diem! **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 4 19:00:49 2008 From: "michael king" To: MG Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:00:29 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALGER?? or TIGER ???? I sometimes think people jump the gun with the "alger" tag. On ebay there are many inexperienced sellers and often peoploe who are selling on behalf of others and have no idea about sunbeams let alone tigers/alpines/algers. People have owned cars and done repairs/mods that make them look less than authentic.. they remove tags when they do bodywork (and in many ways i understand that.. if you acid dip a car there will be no tags left.. if you are doing a concourse paint job.. how do you make the area round the tags nice etc...) i guess the real trick is to look at the photos and if things are not adding up.. ask questions... offer assitance and see if we can come to an understanding about how things have ended up the way they have. I had a local member here (australia) give my car some flack (and my car is TAC'd) because it doesn't have the side trim and badges and has the wrong gauges in it. Now if you open up the boot panels/door trims you can see where the holes are filled for the side trim.. i have all the original gauges. It also has the fuel pump in the boot (and a fuel cell) which are not stock.. i have all the original bits and a photographic restoration so you can see when the changes were made.. car is TAC'd and there are many marks left by the rootes factory to prove its lineage.. yet less informed people suddenly questioned my car because of one a$$ ... i was quite upset about this as i knew the car was not a fake and i have invested heavily in it... so maybe we should be alittle careful how we phrase things... i'm all for catching people out passing on fradulent cars.. but lets not condem before we know what we are dealing with. just my .02 -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 5 11:38:29 2008 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:38:31 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger newbie question I've been looking for a good car in a price I can afford for a couple months now. I've got a question for you pros.... I've learned a common spot to find frame rust problems is at the exhaust pass throughs. I have seen something there that I don't quite understand and I hope I can explain it well enough to get an answer. I believe I read on this list that it is normal to find a small lip all around the oval shape frame opening that the exhaust passes through. If the lip is gone it indicates a replacement or repair. True ? I have seen pictures of this area on a couple cars that showed something that I thought was a repair but maybe I was wrong. I'm not sure what the factory original should look like. I've noticed that there appears to be welds holding an 8 inch or so piece of frame that has the pass through cut in the midst of it. Sometimes it appears to be thicker than the rest of the cross member or even a different coloration (maybe holding road grime differently ?) Is this "thickening" of a cross member at the exhaust through a repair or is that the factory ? What really confused me on this as well as my newness was the fact that the last pictures I got of a car for sale had the thicker area with appearence of welds hidden below the grime, but it also had the small lip around the pipe opening. Maybe I've been dismissing a factory correct condition as a repair ? Please straighten me out. If my description is not clear enough I can try to find a way to show a picture. Thanks Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 5 11:39:57 2008 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:38:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger newbie question I've been looking for a good car in a price I can afford for a couple months now. I've got a question for you pros.... I've learned a common spot to find frame rust problems is at the exhaust pass throughs. I have seen something there that I don't quite understand and I hope I can explain it well enough to get an answer. I believe I read on this list that it is normal to find a small lip all around the oval shape frame opening that the exhaust passes through. If the lip is gone it indicates a replacement or repair. True ? I have seen pictures of this area on a couple cars that showed something that I thought was a repair but maybe I was wrong. I'm not sure what the factory original should look like. I've noticed that there appears to be welds holding an 8 inch or so piece of frame that has the pass through cut in the midst of it. Sometimes it appears to be thicker than the rest of the cross member or even a different coloration (maybe holding road grime differently ?) Is this "thickening" of a cross member at the exhaust through a repair or is that the factory ? What really confused me on this as well as my newness was the fact that the last pictures I got of a car for sale had the thicker area with appearence of welds hidden below the grime, but it also had the small lip around the pipe opening. Maybe I've been dismissing a factory correct condition as a repair ? Please straighten me out. If my description is not clear enough I can try to find a way to show a picture. Thanks Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 5 11:47:15 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: sralsten@ca.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:47:20 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger newbie question Over the years some suppliers have made replacement pieces with the lip so the lip probably isn't an indicator of originality. If a car has had the pass through replaced or repaired..don't panic...it's very common. If you get a car just be sure to drill a drain hole in the center of the X so water can run out. Then it will probably last for the next 50 years. In summary, if the repair is very well done, there shouldn't be a problem with it not being original unless you are planning on a $100,000 concours rig. If you are concerned about rust, I would be looking in the rocker panels, the floor area under the driver's feet and in the wheel wells. The pass through X's are one of the cheapest things to repair/replace. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 5 11:48:39 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:48:46 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger newbie question i can't comment on whats original or not but here is a (bad) picture of my left pass-through: http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/bellhousing%20inspection%20plate/slides/CIMG4488.JPG the right side looks a little different - looks as if its been patched. sorry, i don't have a picture of that side. On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 6:38 PM, wrote: > I've been looking for a good car in a price I can afford for a couple months now. I've got a question for you pros.... > > I've learned a common spot to find frame rust problems is at the exhaust pass throughs. I have seen something there that I don't quite understand and I hope I can explain it well enough to get an answer. I believe I read on this list that it is normal to find a small lip all around the oval shape frame opening that the exhaust passes through. If the lip is gone it indicates a replacement or repair. True ? > > I have seen pictures of this area on a couple cars that showed something that I thought was a repair but maybe I was wrong. I'm not sure what the factory original should look like. I've noticed that there appears to be welds holding an 8 inch or so piece of frame that has the pass through cut in the midst of it. Sometimes it appears to be thicker than the rest of the cross member or even a different coloration (maybe holding road grime differently ?) > > Is this "thickening" of a cross member at the exhaust through a repair or is that the factory ? What really confused me on this as well as my newness was the fact that the last pictures I got of a car for sale had the thicker area with appearence of welds hidden below the grime, but it also had the small lip around the pipe opening. Maybe I've been dismissing a factory correct condition as a repair ? Please straighten me out. If my description is not clear enough I can try to find a way to show a picture. > > Thanks > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 5 12:06:15 2008 From: To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:06:31 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Alger ?? Tiger ??? Although I am still reading, looking at cars and shopping for a car. This whole issue of Algers/TAC is nearly enough to drive one away from interest in the marque and probably has driven many away. If I spend $40K for an E type there is no doubt at all that it is one. Condition and correctness vary but it's certainly not a converted MGB. If I spend $40K on a Tiger its not the same. Then if you add to that the modifications that people make to their "real" Tigers it gets almost comical. I was at Tigers United 31 to see cars and meet owners. I had a great time and learned a bunch. What I found very interesting was at concours day there was literally a handful of cars competeing in the stock category and one of those was a mismatch of Mk1 and Mk2 parts. The vast majority or cars were "modded" or "personalized" (I don't really understand the difference) How can the Tiger owners as a group be so concerned about authenticity when so few leave their cars stock ? How can putting a 260 in an Alpine be such a big deal when people buy "real" Tigers and change them beyond all recognition ? How does it remain a "real" Tiger with 4 wheel discs, 5 spd, 302, AC, non stock paint, non stock wheels, alternator etc etc etc ? Now I don't want to make a bunch of enimies with this but the post I respond to asked for thoughts. Mine are from someone with only months of Tiger knowledge who wants badly to own a car but does not yet. As said I find the "correctness/modification" issue to be quite off-putting. Steve Ralsten IMHO I think we should use our knowledge to check out cars with an open mind and not shoot form the hip as soon as a non expert description is discovered. There are a lot of owners outside of this group, its not the easiest to find these days for a new owner. Don't get me wrong, Fraudsters are best confirmed, lined up then shot square between the cats eyes - just above the grille centre badge ! (alternatively, facilities permitting, dropped into the Tiger pen at the local zoo) :-) Maybe an open offer of authentication from the CAT / STOA / STOC etc website could be used as a way of welcoming Tiger owners / Sellers. A first impression of - Challenge, doubt and conjecture put off potential owners and enthusiasts as well as fraudsters. Any thoughts ? regards. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 5 12:06:44 2008 From: To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:06:58 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Alger ?? Tiger ??? Although I am still reading, looking at cars and shopping for a car. This whole issue of Algers/TAC is nearly enough to drive one away from interest in the marque and probably has driven many away. If I spend $40K for an E type there is no doubt at all that it is one. Condition and correctness vary but it's certainly not a converted MGB. If I spend $40K on a Tiger its not the same. Then if you add to that the modifications that people make to their "real" Tigers it gets almost comical. I was at Tigers United 31 to see cars and meet owners. I had a great time and learned a bunch. What I found very interesting was at concours day there was literally a handful of cars competeing in the stock category and one of those was a mismatch of Mk1 and Mk2 parts. The vast majority or cars were "modded" or "personalized" (I don't really understand the difference) How can the Tiger owners as a group be so concerned about authenticity when so few leave their cars stock ? How can putting a 260 in an Alpine be such a big deal when people buy "real" Tigers and change them beyond all recognition ? How does it remain a "real" Tiger with 4 wheel discs, 5 spd, 302, AC, non stock paint, non stock wheels, alternator etc etc etc ? Now I don't want to make a bunch of enimies with this but the post I respond to asked for thoughts. Mine are from someone with only months of Tiger knowledge who wants badly to own a car but does not yet. As said I find the "correctness/modification" issue to be quite off-putting. Steve Ralsten IMHO I think we should use our knowledge to check out cars with an open mind and not shoot form the hip as soon as a non expert description is discovered. There are a lot of owners outside of this group, its not the easiest to find these days for a new owner. Don't get me wrong, Fraudsters are best confirmed, lined up then shot square between the cats eyes - just above the grille centre badge ! (alternatively, facilities permitting, dropped into the Tiger pen at the local zoo) :-) Maybe an open offer of authentication from the CAT / STOA / STOC etc website could be used as a way of welcoming Tiger owners / Sellers. A first impression of - Challenge, doubt and conjecture put off potential owners and enthusiasts as well as fraudsters. Any thoughts ? regards. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 5 12:13:05 2008 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: , Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:13:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger ?? Tiger ??? Now you know why they are rare, fun and interesting cars and yet still fairly cheap. Seems like a great group of owners too. Can't imagine the e-type guys have anywhere near the fun we do. ;) Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 5 13:09:58 2008 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:09:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger ?? Tiger ??? Steve, First of all, welcome to this little conclave of anal-retentive anarchists! You have discovered a little dirty secret: Tigers are one of the few iconic classic car types that do not seem to suffer from personal modifications and variations from OEM stock configuration. Maybe it's because the are low volume hybrids, maybe because they were imperfect and underdeveloped by their parent company, maybe because we can't resist the challenge of taking an antique car and forcing it into a 21st century performance bubble. It's probably a little of all the above. We're not the only ones out there, the Cobra, Pantera and the TVR come to mind as well. Until recently, the value of a stock Tiger was not comparable to an E-Type Series I or even to the Big Healeys, so most owners did not consider the value of the car's originality when making modifications. There are many Tigers out there that are meticulously kept as original and as stock as possible by their owners. Then there are all the variations beyond stock. I think Tiger owners are a little more of the hooligan sort, enjoying the dichotomy of a big-assed engine in a little car. Most of us like to tinker and improve the breed, and a stock Tiger literally screams for it. The E-Type Jags or BJ8 Healeys were complete cars, gradually developed over many years. The Tiger was not as fortunate, so there is more room for improvement. I am fortunate to own two Tigers, one painfully stock and original, the other not. I chose to go with "period correct" modifications on the one car (5-bolt hypo 289, corrected and reinforced front and rear suspension and brakes), making sure that the changes were reversible. Driving the two back-to-back is a night and day experience. I think you will find the vast majority of Tiger owners following a similar path, applying improvements that can be reversed back to stock if needed. There are a pant-load of old, tired 164 hp 260s, remote oil filters, generators, and Toploaders sitting under garage work benches right now just waiting for the day to be reunited with their chassis. That day may come for some if the values keep going up. So, the question now is: what do you want? If you want to cherish, preserve and enjoy the breed as it was in 1964, then you want a stock, original car. If you have a glint in your eye, and the thought of owning a sleeper little car with 300 hp gives you cold shivers, well, we got that too! Bugz B382000991 B382001465 -----Original Message----- From: sralsten@ca.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:07 PM To: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Alger ?? Tiger ??? Now I don't want to make a bunch of enimies with this but the post I respond to asked for thoughts. Mine are from someone with only months of Tiger knowledge who wants badly to own a car but does not yet. As said I find the "correctness/modification" issue to be quite off-putting. Steve Ralsten _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 5 13:10:26 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:10:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger ?? Tiger ??? >>>How can the Tiger owners as a group be so concerned about authenticity >>>when so few leave their cars stock ?<<< Steve, The authentisity relates to the fact that the unibody structure was one that was originally altered by Jensen, and initially sold as a Tiger. It does not have to do with the fact that the car remains stock. It was pointed out to me once that a Tiger could be converted into an Alpine and still be considered a Tiger (all be it a modified one) based on the alterations that Jensen originally performed. If you were at TU31 you no doubt heard that talk on the racing Alpines. Now, some Alpines were never raced, while others were. Putting the race items (wheels, tires, parts, numbers etc.) on a "street" Alpine will never make it a car that was ever in a race. There is a petigree that followed those real race Alpines. In like fashion one could theoretically alter an Alpine to a Tiger configuration. But, that does not mean it carries the same petagree as a Tiger that was originally created by Jensen. What the Tiger community is trying to do is preserve the "bloodline" of the Tiger. There are those who know ever subtle nuance of a real Tiger and use that as the standard. Alger's in and of themselves are not considered a bad thing. Passing an Alger off as a Tiger is. In the end you have the choice of buying and Alger with all the qualities of a Tiger. In some cases even better. You may get a good deal on it and enjoy it. But in the family bloodline it is still thought of as the illegitimate child. It may be related, but it is not of THE family (Tigers). I hope that helps to understand the efforts made to ensure why people strive to make sue a Tiger is really a Tiger (modified or not). Tom Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1592 - Release Date: 8/5/2008 6:03 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 5 14:14:04 2008 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "sralsten@ca.rr.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:13:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger newbie question In addition to the other responses, the original exhaust pipes were crimped to allow more room around them where they pass through the x-member. With exhaust system upgrades many of the ovals were opened up to allow larger pipes. Anything and everything has been found to have been done to this area in the name of better exhaust flow. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten@ca.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 10:39 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger newbie question I've been looking for a good car in a price I can afford for a couple months now. I've got a question for you pros.... I've learned a common spot to find frame rust problems is at the exhaust pass throughs. I have seen something there that I don't quite understand and I hope I can explain it well enough to get an answer. I believe I read on this list that it is normal to find a small lip all around the oval shape frame opening that the exhaust passes through. If the lip is gone it indicates a replacement or repair. True ? I have seen pictures of this area on a couple cars that showed something that I thought was a repair but maybe I was wrong. I'm not sure what the factory original should look like. I've noticed that there appears to be welds holding an 8 inch or so piece of frame that has the pass through cut in the midst of it. Sometimes it appears to be thicker than the rest of the cross member or even a different coloration (maybe holding road grime differently ?) Is this "thickening" of a cross member at the exhaust through a repair or is that the factory ? What really confused me on this as well as my newness was the fact that the last pictures I got of a car for sale had the thicker area with appearence of welds hidden below the grime, but it also had the small lip around the pipe opening. Maybe I've been dismissing a factory correct condition as a repair ? Please straighten me out. If my description is not clear enough I can try to find a way to show a picture. Thanks Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 5 14:26:45 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:26:47 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Algers?? Tigers?? Bugz, I think that was very well put. Think back 18-20 yrs when you could buy a rusted Tiger for $2,000. It was just an old street car and when repairing it, it was pretty easy to swap in a 289 or 302. I just don't think that people now paying $30,000- $50,000 for cars will be quite as apt to modify them. And you're right, I along with hundreds other owners have every single part that was taken off, boxed and labeled...ready to bolt back on. Mark **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 5 15:27:45 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:27:56 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers vs Alger Values Steve Ralsten, and Tigers, My $ 00.02 worth: Although my own car is stock, with the exceptions of some LAT equipment and easily removed cooling features (originals in box), I think a number of points should be considered: 1. For collectors, authenticity is paramount to value. 2. The increasing value of the Tiger attracts fraudulent (meant to deceive) resellers. 3. Even at American Muscle Car Auctions (like Mecum ref: http://www.mecumauction.com/ ) There are frequent "Tribute" cars that are not as badged, but being sold as replicas at a greatly reduced price. 4. Fraud is prevalent, and often not revealed at auctions, EBay, Car dealers, etc. 5. Sometimes known to the seller, sometimes not. Since it is prevalent, and I (for one) object to being the target of fraud, misrepresentation, etc. are greatly interested in "provenance" so money is not spent for deception, or ignorance. "Ne Caveat Emptor" (Buyer Beware) is always applicable because nobody likes fraud, misrepresentation, or non-full disclosure. It's your money, though. Would you like a nice Cobra for less than 10% of the going market rate? How about a Ford GT40? ;-) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com sralsten@ca.rr.com wrote: > <---- snip ----> > How can the Tiger owners as a group be so concerned about authenticity when so few leave their cars stock ? How can putting a 260 in an Alpine be such a big deal when people buy "real" Tigers and change them beyond all recognition ? > How does it remain a "real" Tiger with 4 wheel discs, 5 spd, 302, AC, non stock paint, non stock wheels, alternator etc etc etc ? > > Now I don't want to make a bunch of enimies with this but the post I respond to > asked for thoughts. Mine are from someone with only months of Tiger knowledge who wants badly to own a car but does not yet. As said I find the "correctness/modification" issue to be quite off-putting. > > Steve Ralsten _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 5 15:58:40 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vin tag numbers I have a question that I think I know the correct response to but since LIST email I receive is more interesting than jokes and offers of the money I have waiting in the Uk or Africa, I will add to the discussion of the Vin tag. I know and understand the vin numbers and the paint code BUT are the other two sets of numbers the orginal engine number, the tranny or rear end number or something Rootes used at the factory? Any knowledge would on the numbers would be educational for myself and others who have no idea. TTT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 5 18:16:59 2008 From: To: "Teepen, Jere" Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:17:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger newbie question Heres a picture which somewhat illustrates the issue. This car was listed on ebay. Notice the discoloration below the closer exhaust through and also on the further one which may have welds as well. Is this a repair removing rusted out sections ? http://i10.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/ff/47/e187_12.JPG ---- "Teepen wrote: > In addition to the other responses, the original exhaust pipes were crimped to allow more room around them where they pass through the x-member. With exhaust system upgrades many of the ovals were opened up to allow larger pipes. Anything and everything has been found to have been done to this area in the name of better exhaust flow. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten@ca.rr.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 10:39 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger newbie question > > I've been looking for a good car in a price I can afford for a couple months now. I've got a question for you pros.... > > I've learned a common spot to find frame rust problems is at the exhaust pass throughs. I have seen something there that I don't quite understand and I hope I can explain it well enough to get an answer. I believe I read on this list that it is normal to find a small lip all around the oval shape frame opening that the exhaust passes through. If the lip is gone it indicates a replacement or repair. True ? > > I have seen pictures of this area on a couple cars that showed something that I thought was a repair but maybe I was wrong. I'm not sure what the factory original should look like. I've noticed that there appears to be welds holding an 8 inch or so piece of frame that has the pass through cut in the midst of it. Sometimes it appears to be thicker than the rest of the cross member or even a different coloration (maybe holding road grime differently ?) > > Is this "thickening" of a cross member at the exhaust through a repair or is that the factory ? What really confused me on this as well as my newness was the fact that the last pictures I got of a car for sale had the thicker area with appearence of welds hidden below the grime, but it also had the small lip around the pipe opening. Maybe I've been dismissing a factory correct condition as a repair ? Please straighten me out. If my description is not clear enough I can try to find a way to show a picture. > > Thanks > > Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 5 18:42:54 2008 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:42:58 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Re Tiger Newbie question with pic I found a pic of the condition I was trying to describe. This car was listed on ebay. On both sides the frame appears darker and thicker possibly with welds at the exhaust opening. Is this a repair ? http://i10.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/ff/47/e187_12.JPG _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 5 18:43:27 2008 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:43:39 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Re Tiger Newbie question with pic I found a pic of the condition I was trying to describe. This car was listed on ebay. On both sides the frame appears darker and thicker possibly with welds at the exhaust opening. Is this a repair ? http://i10.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/ff/47/e187_12.JPG _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 5 19:58:41 2008 From: "RObin Young" To: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:58:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger newbie question Hi Steve...this looks to me like one of the repair/straightening items has been done. A common approach to improving this area of the frame is to use a 3" galvanized electrical conduit squeezed to an oval and slightly enlarge the pass-through with it before welding it in place. This does increase strength as well as blocking most water from entering the cruciform. As mentioned earlier, still drill a hole in the center to relieve water that will find a way in. Robin Young B9471769 Heres a picture which somewhat illustrates the issue. This car was listed on ebay. Notice the discoloration below the closer exhaust through and also on the further one which may have welds as well. Is this a repair removing rusted out sections ? http://i10.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/ff/47/e187_12.JPG _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 06:50:54 2008 From: Cullen McCann To: "Tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 07:49:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger ?? Tiger ??? Part 1 of 2 Steve, This email got longer than I thought it would be so this is email 1 of 2. I have only been a Tiger owner for a couple of years. So please take my opinion with a grain of salt, I suppose. When I first joined this list I was immediately faced with the same impression that you have been, and would like to offer my thoughts as well in regards to your comments. When I proposed nearly the same question, I got a lot of different opinions....but that's just the nature of this. If you get on the email list for the corvette group, or the Shelby group, or the model T group...I guarantee you get the same issue, I don't think its unique to Sunbeams....actually I know its not because I've been on those other groups...and they talk about the same stuff. First of all, I think all on the list would agree at some level, that the critical factor in whether a Sunbeam is a Tiger or an Alpine is simply what it started out as on the assembly line. The original body tub is either a Tiger, or its not..( with the possible exception of a few one-off prototypes and race cars that have huge historical value and are probably exempt from this entire discussion..) In my opinion, no matter what is done to the car, it doesn't change what it was born as. You can have a Tiger body with a chevy V6 in it, with a chevette rear suspension and a blower sticking out of the hood, painted purple with flames and gold flake glitter...and its still a Tiger. Granted most of us, me included, would consider it in very poor taste, and an embarrassment to what that car was meant to be...but whether I like it or not, its still a Tiger. I feel very strongly that the customization factor changes that. The customization factor simply changes its desirability among the different disciplines of followers. ****************************************************** Steve said: "How can the Tiger owners as a group be so concerned about authenticity when so few leave their cars stock ? How can putting a 260 in an Alpine be such a big deal when people buy "real" Tigers and change them beyond all recognition ? How does it remain a "real" Tiger with 4 wheel discs, 5 spd, 302, AC, non stock paint, non stock wheels, alternator etc etc etc ? Now I don't want to make a bunch of enimies with this but the post I respond to asked for thoughts. Mine are from someone with only months of Tiger knowledge who wants badly to own a car but does not yet. As said I find the "correctness/modification" issue to be quite off-putting." Steve Ralsten _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 06:51:39 2008 From: Cullen McCann To: "Tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 07:50:40 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Alger ?? Tiger ??? Part 2 of 2 Part 2 of 2 continued: Steve, I would encourage you not to be put-out by the different facets surrounding this issue. Like everything else out there, if you talk to 10 people you will get 10 different opinions, but it doesn't have to mean that your experience with the car is compromised. To me, this entire issue is a lot like when the replica Shelby cobras hit the market years ago. There are originals, and there are impressions, and personally I don't mind a replica of anything (I shouldn't because I have one) but I don't try to pass it off as an authentic cobra. I will tell anyone who asks that it's a replica. I think of it as a die cast or plastic model sitting on a bookshelf that is big enough to drive around in and have fun, and I subscribe to the idea that impersonation is the highest form of flattery. Likewise I don't mind it when someone builds an Alpine and puts a V8 in it, as long as its represented for what it is. But, on the other hand, people who own authentic Tigers want to preserve their investment, just as those who own real Cobras would want to preserve theirs. I personally don't want my Tiger confused with a clone or a tribute car, for the simple reason that an Alpine can be purchased much cheaper and is less collectible, and I'm tickled that I'm in a point in my life where I can have a car with as much collectability and historical significance as a Tiger. I am proud that its as special as it is, and want it to remain as such. I guess to answer your question, it absolutely remains a "real" Tiger with all the additions you mentioned, just not everybody aggress with whether or not they should be on there....anyway, that was supposed to be a short thought...oh well. Thanks, Cullen ****************************************************** Steve said: "How can the Tiger owners as a group be so concerned about authenticity when so few leave their cars stock ? How can putting a 260 in an Alpine be such a big deal when people buy "real" Tigers and change them beyond all recognition ? How does it remain a "real" Tiger with 4 wheel discs, 5 spd, 302, AC, non stock paint, non stock wheels, alternator etc etc etc ? Now I don't want to make a bunch of enimies with this but the post I respond to asked for thoughts. Mine are from someone with only months of Tiger knowledge who wants badly to own a car but does not yet. As said I find the "correctness/modification" issue to be quite off-putting." Steve Ralsten _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 06:56:34 2008 From: Cullen McCann To: "Tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 07:55:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger ?? Tiger ??? Part 1 of 2 Whoops....I had a typo...I meant to say that I feel very strongly that the customization factor DOESN'T change that. " I feel very strongly that the customization factor changes that. The customization factor simply changes its desirability among the different disciplines of followers." _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 08:13:17 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 09:11:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger ?? Tiger ??? Part 1 of 2 I built a very nice Alger years ago and non informed people always thought it was a Tiger or possibly something even more exotic and I had to correct them that it was an Alpine I modified. I felt it was an accomplishment to take an Alpine that I paid $75 for and put in the V8, steering, and transmission because I didn't use any Tiger parts or see one to copy for that matter and that was more important than being an actual Tiger. I really didn't care that it wasn't a Tiger but at the same time wouldn't have thought of selling it as such because the memory of being unethical would last forever and diminish the other good memories of building the car. Something about sitting around when you are 75 and counting on your fingers and bragging how many times you cheated people doesn't seem attractive. Sometimes I wish I had kept the car but for me the real fun was doing the work and besides the car was finished and I got offered so much money I couldn't pass it up. -- Bill -- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 08:40:51 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:40:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vin tag numbers Tony That is the engine serial number only. The alpha-numeric part of that number is a date code from Ford. Norm Miller has more information on his web site. http://www.rootes1.com/index.asp Go to "The Magic" - Bits and Pieces; Page 4 Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 5:59 PM To: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vin tag numbers I have a question that I think I know the correct response to but since LIST email I receive is more interesting than jokes and offers of the money I have waiting in the Uk or Africa, I will add to the discussion of the Vin tag. I know and understand the vin numbers and the paint code BUT are the other two sets of numbers the orginal engine number, the tranny or rear end number or something Rootes used at the factory? Any knowledge would on the numbers would be educational for myself and others who have no idea. TTT You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1592 - Release Date: 8/5/2008 6:03 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 08:59:20 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'William Lau'" , Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:59:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger ?? Tiger ??? Part 1 of 2 Bill My thoughts exactly; honesty is most important to me. If I had the talent to modify an Alpine with a V8, steering and other parts; I would want to promote that talent into more business. I would even keep all the Alpine badges on the car and probably 1 exhaust pipe out the back to make a real sleeper. If the Alpine parts car I have was structurally sound I would look at putting a VW VR6 engine into it and really confuse some people. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Lau Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:12 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger ?? Tiger ??? Part 1 of 2 I built a very nice Alger years ago and non informed people always thought it was a Tiger or possibly something even more exotic and I had to correct them that it was an Alpine I modified. I felt it was an accomplishment to take an Alpine that I paid $75 for and put in the V8, steering, and transmission because I didn't use any Tiger parts or see one to copy for that matter and that was more important than being an actual Tiger. I really didn't care that it wasn't a Tiger but at the same time wouldn't have thought of selling it as such because the memory of being unethical would last forever and diminish the other good memories of building the car. Something about sitting around when you are 75 and counting on your fingers and bragging how many times you cheated people doesn't seem attractive. Sometimes I wish I had kept the car but for me the real fun was doing the work and besides the car was finished and I got offered so much money I couldn't pass it up. -- Bill -- You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1592 - Release Date: 8/5/2008 6:03 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 09:32:29 2008 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: cmccann@lwpb.com, Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 11:32:35 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger ?? Tiger ??? Part 1 of 2 Question: What has been the highest price paid for a Tiger that was not a factory one off or car with bona fide racing history? I think the answer will surprise many of you... ;-) Mike **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 09:52:19 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: MWood24020@aol.com, cmccann@lwpb.com, Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 11:52:25 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger ?? Tiger ??? Part 1 of 2 I think there was a highly modified Tiger that sold at auction in the past year for around $105-$110. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 09:57:39 2008 From: "Lynn Wall" To: , , , Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 09:57:30 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger ?? Tiger ??? Part 1 of 2 If you are referring to the "tiger" built by Dale A it is actually listed on his website as "the worlds most modified Alpine". I know of one tiger that the owner plans on getting over 100K when complete. I believe he will get it without too much trouble -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+cars=wt-inc.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+cars=wt-inc.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:52 AM To: MWood24020@aol.com; cmccann@lwpb.com; Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger ?? Tiger ??? Part 1 of 2 I think there was a highly modified Tiger that sold at auction in the past year for around $105-$110. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000 017 ) You are subscribed as cars@wt-inc.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 11:00:01 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 11:58:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger ?? Tiger ??? Part 1 of 2 Ron There are a lot of neat engines that would fit in an Alpine or whatever old car today. Some of the very small engines have a lot of power and the transmissions are a lot smaller than they used to be. My $75 car didn't have any badges to leave on. If I had bought some it would have doubled my price. I believe I spent $1700 on it total and I kept track of hours too but don't remember how many however it was minimal. I kept the original 4.22 gears so it was a screamer off the line with the automatic tranny. Don't sell yourself short on talent because I don't think it is that hard now. When I did it you had to know how to acetylene and arc weld and that takes some practice, especially acetylene. Now if you buy a good mig welder the only difficult part for someone not experienced is setting it up and adjusting it. Once you have that accomplished it is almost like using a caulking gun. The new spray systems are great too. The skill doesn't lie in being able to do the work but finding out how to do it and having the equipment. If you aren't doing it for a living, time doesn't matter and the plethora of information on the net today can have you doing anything. The rush you get when it is done right is many times more valuable than actually having it. --Bill -- Bill My thoughts exactly; honesty is most important to me. If I had the talent to modify an Alpine with a V8, steering and other parts; I would want to promote that talent into more business. I would even keep all the Alpine badges on the car and probably 1 exhaust pipe out the back to make a real sleeper. If the Alpine parts car I have was structurally sound I would look at putting a VW VR6 engine into it and really confuse some people. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 11:19:13 2008 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:18:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger ?? Tiger ??? - now - Highest Price Paid I know that a good friend's very well restored and immaculate BRG MKII sold last year for $72K. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MWood24020@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 11:33 AM To: cmccann@lwpb.com; Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger ?? Tiger ??? Part 1 of 2 Question: What has been the highest price paid for a Tiger that was not a factory one off or car with bona fide racing history? I think the answer will surprise many of you... ;-) Mike **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut0005000 0000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as mark.rense@ge.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 12:21:06 2008 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:21:11 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Original as they come "Question: What has been the highest price paid for a Tiger that was not a factory one off or car with bona fide racing history? I think the answer will surprise many of you..". I think the record goes to the Tiger sold last spring which went for over $100,000. The car was more of a resto-mod than a "original" survivor. As far as I know, the Sunbeam Tiger is the only marque that the buyer market seems to value customized and modified cars over original. The highest I ever heard of a non-modified Tiger selling for is in the $50,000 range. Take any other collector car and modify it and you have knocked off a significant part of the market value of the car. You can check the auction results and original cars bring much higher bids than modified for the most part. I always thought that original beats modified in the market and that is why my car is as original as I can make it. Although with the Tiger, that is probably a false assumption. If someone really wants to buy a real Tiger I wouldn't let the fact that their are fake Tigers put you off. You have to do your research before you buy. I had a friend who thought he was buying a real Pontiac GTO until he had a member of the local Pontiac club check the car out and it was a fake. Of course the seller disavowed any knowledge of converting a Pontiac LeMans into a GTO. It happens all the time. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 12:58:38 2008 From: Cullen McCann To: "Tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:57:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger ?? Tiger ??? Part 1 of 2 In all due respect to Dale, he had a bad experience with the nature of the transaction with the owner and has tried to...well...discredit the car. Norm once chimed in to clarify that it's definitely a Tiger. CM "If you are referring to the "tiger" built by Dale A it is actually listed on his website as "the worlds most modified Alpine". I know of one tiger that the owner plans on getting over 100K when complete. I believe he will get it without too much trouble" _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 15:41:05 2008 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 17:40:26 EDT Subject: [Tigers] F4B or Cast 4BL Man Is one better than the other in producing power? Other than light weight is the F4B better than cast? Thanks B382002560 **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 16:18:16 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:18:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] F4B or Cast 4BL Man >From everything I've read most people prefer the F4B over the current Performer. Some claim the Performer is basically just an aluminum version of the standard 4bbl. manifold. Being that there are a number of "factory" manifolds I'm not sure how they make the comparison. They seem to state that the F4B falls somewhere between the regular Performer and an "Air Gap." Anyway, that is all, "I've heard" information. I'm sure there are others with real experience. I have a regular Performer waiting installment. I got it used for $45 and figured even if there was no performance gain to the engine the lost weight had to count for something in a front heavy car. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 2:40 PM Subject: [Tigers] F4B or Cast 4BL Man > Is one better than the other in producing power? Other than light weight > is > the F4B better than cast? Thanks > > > B382002560 > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as atwittsend@verizon.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1595 - Release Date: 8/6/2008 > 8:23 AM > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1595 - Release Date: 8/6/2008 8:23 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 16:59:26 2008 From: "michael king" To: "Jeffrey Nichols" Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 08:59:39 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original as they come Here in Austrlai we probably have the highest Tiger prices in the world. Stock cars attract the highest $ with modified cars only a little behind. A concourse stock MKIA sold here in 2006 for 90K and a MKII to the same spec for the same $. There is now a concourse MKII here for 125K.. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 17:44:18 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:42:41 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] F4B or Cast 4BL Man I'll bet this could be argued every way that is possible. I don't think there is very much difference and I'm pretty sure it would depend on what other engine modifications were involved anyway. Generally, modifying one thing does just about nothing because flow has to be balanced to work right. Besides, if you got 7 more Hp from one how would you know. -- Bill -- Is one better than the other in producing power? Other than light weight is the F4B better than cast? Thanks B382002560 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 17:54:48 2008 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: mrlau@charter.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:54:59 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] F4B or Cast 4BL Man In a message dated 8/6/2008 4:44:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mrlau@charter.net writes: I'll bet this could be argued every way that is possible. I don't think there is very much difference and I'm pretty sure it would depend on what other engine modifications were involved anyway. I'm not sure that a F4B can support much more than a stock head, low cfm 4bbl combo, but it is period and Tiger correct, of course, and should outperform the FoMoCo cast iron equivalent from that era :-) I would love to see a dyno plot of the Performer vs. F4B on that same motor, though...my guess is that the "old school" manifold would get smoked, to say nothing of the option of moving to the Performer RPM. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 18:06:31 2008 From: Larry Paulick To: MWood24020@aol.com Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:06:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] F4B or Cast 4BL Man Mike, when I did my 1990 5.0, with 2.25" exhaust, headers and 600 cfm double pumper Holley, I called Edelbrock and asked what manifold would work with my Tiger, and that I did not want to rev over 6K. I also told them I had a F4B manifold. To my surprise, the Edelbrock tech guy said the F4B is still a very good manifold, as was as good as what was available then, 1998, even though he could have steered me to another manifold, and made the sale. BTW, while it's nice to cut weight off of the car, the front of a Tiger is not front heavy. I measured the weight at each 4 wheels, with and without me and Joe Parlanti in the car. The Tiger happens to be very balanced. Larry MWood24020@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 8/6/2008 4:44:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >mrlau@charter.net writes: > >I'll bet this could be argued every way that is possible. I don't think >there is very much difference and I'm pretty sure it would depend on what >other engine modifications were involved anyway. > > >I'm not sure that a F4B can support much more than a stock head, low cfm >4bbl combo, but it is period and Tiger correct, of course, and should outperform >the FoMoCo cast iron equivalent from that era :-) > >I would love to see a dyno plot of the Performer vs. F4B on that same motor, >though...my guess is that the "old school" manifold would get smoked, to say >nothing of the option of moving to the Performer RPM. > > > >**************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? >Read reviews on AOL Autos. >(http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) >_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 18:22:37 2008 From: "Kirk Smith" To: Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:22:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] F4B or Cast 4BL Man About 15 years ago I was looking for a manifold for my current Tiger. I liked the performance of the F4B on my previous Tiger and was talking with Edelbrock about the modern day equivalent. Their recommendation was the Performer RPM, not the Performer. After years of driving with the Performer RPM I would say it compares favorably to the F4B. Kirk B382000503 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 7 07:53:39 2008 From: "Thomas Prager" To: "tigers_United_forum" Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 08:51:32 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] The Prince Joe Lucas  or, more accurately, the company bearing his name  engineered electrical bits for pretty much everything emanating from the UK, and the notorious unreliability of Lucas components played a key role in tanking the British car industry in the early 1980s. Make the jump for "If Lucas made guns, wars would not start," and other classics. a.. The Lucas motto: "Get home before dark." b.. Lucas is the patent holder for the short circuit. c.. Lucas - Inventor of the first intermittent wiper. d.. Lucas - Inventor of the self-dimming headlamp. e.. The three position Lucas switch - Dim, Flicker and Off. f.. The Original Anti-Theft Device - Lucas Electrics. g.. Lucas is an acronym for Loose Unsoldered Connections and Splices Many more, along with some funny graphics, at Mez.co.uk. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 7 07:58:09 2008 From: Marc James Small To: "Thomas Prager" , "tigers_United_forum" Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:56:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] The Prince At 09:51 AM 8/7/2008, Thomas Prager wrote: >Joe Lucas or, more accurately, the company bearing his name engineered >electrical bits for pretty much everything emanating from the UK, and the >notorious unreliability of Lucas components played a key role in tanking the >British car industry in the early 1980s. Make the jump for "If Lucas made >guns, wars would not start," and other classics. > > a.. The Lucas motto: "Get home before dark." > b.. Lucas is the patent holder for the short circuit. > c.. Lucas - Inventor of the first intermittent wiper. > d.. Lucas - Inventor of the self-dimming headlamp. > e.. The three position Lucas switch - Dim, Flicker and Off. > f.. The Original Anti-Theft Device - Lucas Electrics. > g.. Lucas is an acronym for Loose Unsoldered Connections and Splices >Many more, along with some funny graphics, at Mez.co.uk. You folks have clearly never dealt with Bosch stuff contemporary with our cars of interest. Lucas was a LOT more reliable than was Bosch. And that Italian company -- Marelli? -- was even worse. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 7 07:59:25 2008 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: , Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:58:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] The Prince And the ever appropriate..... Why do the British drink warm beer????? Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 7 09:13:34 2008 From: To: "Thomas Prager" , "tigers_United_forum" Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:15:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] The Prince I echo the sentiment. Never had reliability problems with Lucas electrics in MGs, Nortons or Sunbeams. In the later Triumph cars with copper flashed terminals that rusted was a problem but not from Lucas....just cheap Triumph..Gary B9472283 ----- Original Message ----- > > You folks have clearly never dealt with Bosch > stuff contemporary with our cars of > interest. Lucas was a LOT more reliable than was > Bosch. And that Italian company -- Marelli? -- was even worse. > > Marc _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 7 11:02:41 2008 From: rab65tiger@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:01:31 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] f4b intake At Jason Fletcher's Carbureted 5.0 web site he has a list of? flow stats on a number of intakes for small block Ford, including performer, Tiger,F4B (note indicating Ford power Parts "Cobra", F4B and Shelby Cobra design all similar) and other intakes. http://www.jason.fletcher.net/tech/intakes/intakes.htm? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 7 11:08:57 2008 From: vegaslegal@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:08:57 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Alternator conversion I am looking at getting my generator rebuilt, and found an alternator in a hot rod catalogue that appears as an exact replica of the ca. 1966 generator (albeit expensive).? Is this just a plug in item, or does the conversion require further electrical modifications.? Also, I continuously read about the "upgrade" to an alternator.? What are the benefits of an alternator over my generator? Bob Nersesian B382000975 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 7 11:48:38 2008 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 13:48:55 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] F4B or Cast 4BL Man Here is a link to a comparison on different manifolds for a 302 : http://www.jason.fletcher.net/tech/intakes/intakes.htm Low RPM HP Ford cast iron 141.4 HP @ 2750 rpm Edelbrock low rise performer 136.1 HP @ 2750 rpm Edelbrock F4B 138.0 HP @ 2750 rpm Max HP Ford cast iron stock HP : 215.1 @ 4500 rpm Edelbrock low rise performer HP : 233.7 @ 4500 rpm Edelbrock F4B high rise HP : 231.0 @ 4750 rpm High RPM HP Edelbrock F4B 219.3 HP @ 5500 rpm Ford cast iron 197.8 HP @ 5500rpm Edelbrock performer 188.6 @ 5500rpm. Edelbrock F4B 219.3 HP @ 5500 rpm Either Edelbrock manifold will make more HP than the stock Ford manifold. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 7 11:52:37 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: rab65tiger@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:52:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] f4b intake wow, that makes the 'tiger' look pretty dire. maybe i should try and fit a Weiand 7515 in instead.... On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:01 PM, wrote: > At Jason Fletcher's Carbureted 5.0 web site he has a list of? flow stats on a number of intakes for small block Ford, including performer, Tiger,F4B (note indicating Ford power Parts "Cobra", F4B and Shelby Cobra design all similar) and other intakes. > > http://www.jason.fletcher.net/tech/intakes/intakes.htm? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 7 11:56:13 2008 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: , Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 13:56:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] f4b intake Tunnel ram w/dual quads!!!! Detail the engine compartment and drive with no hood. Big supercharger too. Air conditioning clutch for the supercharger to save on gas.... Last of the V8 interceptors... This is fun. ;) Btw. I have the F4B with the 1848 and am very happy with it. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 7 12:23:57 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:23:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alternator conversion Bob I don't know enough about the replica generator or it's wiring to tell if it is a plug in. If it has regulated voltage out it might be. Install instructions and a schematic should show that. A generator usually needs a rebuild or at least new brushes every 30k to 40k miles, an alternator 80k or more miles before a rebuild. I have had alternators still running strong at over 120k miles with no rebuild. Alternators, I believe, have better voltage and amperage output throughout the RPM range with better reliability. The generator, regulator system in my Tiger always gave me problems. I learned to live with those problems but I was always thinking about converting to an alternator. I read a number of the conversion tips but I never liked the way the wires got bundled up at the regulator position. One day it dawned on me that if I could take the voltage regulator and make it into a simple junction box and that would clean up the wires. I also found a one wire conversion regulator that mounts to the back of an older style Ford alternator from AMK Products and I had all the parts to make a clean conversion. I did make my own bracket for the alternator but alternative brackets can be found. My total expenditure for my conversion was just slightly more than the $75 it cost for my last generator rebuild. Much happier now with the alternator. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of vegaslegal@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 1:09 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Alternator conversion I am looking at getting my generator rebuilt, and found an alternator in a hot rod catalogue that appears as an exact replica of the ca. 1966 generator (albeit expensive).? Is this just a plug in item, or does the conversion require further electrical modifications.? Also, I continuously read about the "upgrade" to an alternator.? What are the benefits of an alternator over my generator? Bob Nersesian B382000975 You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1597 - Release Date: 8/7/2008 5:54 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 7 13:08:11 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: rab65tiger@aol.com Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:08:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] f4b intake Very interesting manifold flow comparisons. It should be noted that all the test were run on 5.0 blocks with 600 CFM carb, and an aluminum head. While "standardized" comparisons were made, the applicability to your own engine set-up may be flawed. Tiger "260" block, with stock heads, port dimensions, valves and cam lift, may not conform to these results. Comparisons were not made with the stock LAT 465 CFM Holley. The "260" valve sizes and cam lift will influence comparisons. Additionally, the actual port dimensions, vs. manifold dimensions, may strongly influence results if there is a "step" up or down on a "match". As a field test experiment, three "/identical/" stock 260 Tigers were equipped with stock 2 BBL, cast iron manifold, and LAT-1 aluminum manifolds with both Holley 465 CFM (standard) and 600 CFM carbs, and stock 2.88:1 rear axle ratios, and 165/13 tires. The results were interesting, subjective, and confirmed substantial differences. Your own results may vary due to condition, tuning, modifications. 1. For smoothness of running at idle, the 465 CFM and 600 CFM versions were as smooth as the stock, although the 600 seemed to "hunt" more. 2. At light throttle on dead-stop starts, they all seemed about equal, except for some surging in the 600 CFM. 3. On "heavy-foot", but not rubber burning, take-offs to 35 MPH, the 465 was ahead, believed due to higher flow velocities. 4. On medium speed sudden acceleration the stock and 465 were about as smooth, but the 465 was stumble free, and quicker than the 600 CFM. which "stumbled". 5. On freeway speeds, the 600 CFM seemed to have the edge (slightly) over the 465 CFM. Speeds over 70 MPH were not conducted. The 465 CFM was similar to the 2 BBL, but much quicker. The 600 CFM was good, after the sudden throttle opening "stumble". With "modified" engine breathing and/or port matching the results can vary substantially. Anyone else with similar comparisons, please chime in. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com rab65tiger@aol.com wrote: > At Jason Fletcher's Carbureted 5.0 web site he has a list of? flow stats on a number of intakes for small block Ford, including performer, Tiger,F4B (note indicating Ford power Parts "Cobra", F4B and Shelby Cobra design all similar) and other intakes. > > http://www.jason.fletcher.net/tech/intakes/intakes.htm? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 7 15:23:31 2008 From: "Steinman, Bill" To: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:23:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Remote oil filter So here's a basic question about the Mk 1 Tiger. Where exactly should the remote oil filter be to be original? Thanks! 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Here is the parts list picture on page 13 http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/2-AF-EngineMoto r.pdf Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steinman, Bill Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 5:24 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Remote oil filter So here's a basic question about the Mk 1 Tiger. Where exactly should the remote oil filter be to be original? Thanks! Bill S. 2005 Lotus Elise 1968 Triumph TR-250 1968 MGC Tourer 1965 Sunbeam Tiger 1959 Austin Healey 3000 1971 Triumph TR-6 (girlfriend's car) Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows... NOTICE: This communication and its attachments have been sent to you from Powell Goldstein LLP and may contain privileged or other confidential information. 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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1597 - Release Date: 8/7/2008 5:54 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 7 16:37:05 2008 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:37:20 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Removeing chrome ? I'm the guy thats Tiger shopping and loves stock. I just got an email from an owner that wants to sell. Several engine compartment pieces are chromed Fan shroud Air cleaner Struts I've also seen many a chromed gen bracket. Can this stuff be stripped of chrome and returned to original finish ? Or is it cheaper to search out replacement parts ? Thanks Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 7 17:19:48 2008 From: PhastPhill@aol.com To: wsteinman@pogolaw.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:19:53 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Remote oil filter Now that Ron has replied in a very expert manner. I can reply in a flippant one. To be original it should be leaking....lol. Mine with all the lines, brackets and the oil cooler.....MKII....are in a box. And yes they continue to leak even in the box. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 7 17:49:14 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 00:49:27 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Removeing chrome ? i'm sure you could find people willing to swap! On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 11:37 PM, wrote: > I'm the guy thats Tiger shopping and loves stock. I just got an email from an owner that wants to sell. Several engine compartment pieces are chromed > > Fan shroud > Air cleaner > Struts > > I've also seen many a chromed gen bracket. > > Can this stuff be stripped of chrome and returned to original finish ? Or is it cheaper to search out replacement parts ? > > Thanks > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 7 17:57:08 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:57:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Removeing chrome ? Steve Removing chrome is easy if you have a Plating Shop near by; just let them chemically strip the chrome, nickel and copper off the parts. This is really your only choice when it involves the stock air cleaner since there are printed words stamped into the top cover. The stripped and clean parts can then be painted the color of your choice. It would be very difficult to say if you could find replacement parts cheaper but you could definitely offset the cost by selling the chrome parts. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten@ca.rr.com Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 6:37 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Removeing chrome ? I'm the guy thats Tiger shopping and loves stock. I just got an email from an owner that wants to sell. Several engine compartment pieces are chromed Fan shroud Air cleaner Struts I've also seen many a chromed gen bracket. Can this stuff be stripped of chrome and returned to original finish ? Or is it cheaper to search out replacement parts ? Thanks Steve You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1597 - Release Date: 8/7/2008 5:54 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 8 07:38:24 2008 From: Carmods@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:37:57 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Removeing chrome ? sralsten@ca.rr.com writes: Several engine compartment pieces are chromed ,fan shroud, air cleaner.Can this stuff be stripped of chrome and returned to original finish Steve, You don't need to strip all the chrome. Just lightly sand blast the chrome until it has a dull frost appearance so that paint will stick to it. John Logan **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 8 09:05:29 2008 From: "un-cole-a@juno.com" To: shutchin@netjets.com Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:03:38 GMT Subject: Re: [Tigers] The Prince It's not warm beer, it's cellar temperature, there is a difference. I have noticed that a beer will admit more flavor when it's temperature is not ice cold. Even some American brewed beers taste better at cellar temperature, Sam Adams for one. Just my 2 cents ____________________________________________________________ Click here to lower your monthly payments. Act now and save! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oMFMy9YgsNKQyKAJ61Z6zhd146 wFd34V4ACqev4re2w2Ad8/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 8 09:07:11 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "un-cole-a@juno.com" Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:07:24 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] The Prince here here. totally depends on the beer. i'm a big british real ale driner but i love an icy cold corona in the summer too. On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 4:03 PM, un-cole-a@juno.com wrote: > It's not warm beer, it's cellar temperature, there is a difference. > I have noticed that a beer will admit more flavor when it's temperature is not > ice cold. > Even some American brewed beers taste better at cellar temperature, Sam Adams > for one. > Just my 2 cents > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to lower your monthly payments. Act now and save! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oMFMy9YgsNKQyKAJ61Z6zhd146 > wFd34V4ACqev4re2w2Ad8/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 8 11:41:06 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: "Steinman, Bill" Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:40:48 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Remote oil filter Bill, According to the Factory Tiger Parts List (ENGINE (Motor) section : http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/2-AF-EngineMotor.pdf (Note: this is the Motor Section only PDF download). Other download options can be found at: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/FactParts.asp It states that the ORIGINAL oil filter element (Spin-on) is C1AZ-6731-A. I am using the Ford Motorsport full flow, full size, FL1A. Available at Summmit ($3.95 + S&H), amongst many others. http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=ACF-FL1A&N=700+401103+115&autoview=sku This is a high quality unit, however the "original" can be obtained from the Ford Mustang sources, in various colors, for about $29 each. http://www.dallasmustang.com/page/products.php?category=6&group=31&family=185&offset=15&max=15&orderbyasc=description&orderbydesc= If ALL of the link is not shown as "hot", Copy/Paste the entire link into your browser. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steinman, Bill wrote: > So here's a basic question about the Mk 1 Tiger. Where exactly should > the remote oil filter be to be original? > > Thanks! > > > Bill S. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 8 11:59:02 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:59:05 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Removeing chrome ? Steve Ralston, Sure it can. However, chrome air cleaner top, dipstick, radiator cap, and cast aluminum valve covers were available as LAT options. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_service/pp-lat2.asp Chrome steel valve covers, with engine code S/N has been reported by Brad C. Joern in: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-body3.asp Steve "When all else seems to fail, check "/TigersUnited.com /" and use the built-in search engine" :-) ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com sralsten@ca.rr.com wrote: > I'm the guy thats Tiger shopping and loves stock. I just got an email from an owner that wants to sell. Several engine compartment pieces are chromed > > Fan shroud > Air cleaner > Struts > > I've also seen many a chromed gen bracket. > > Can this stuff be stripped of chrome and returned to original finish ? Or is it cheaper to search out replacement parts ? > > Thanks > > Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 9 00:20:53 2008 From: "Baker, Kent" To: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 23:20:50 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Question on MkII Does anyone have any information on the MarkII currently at Heritage Classics in Los Angeles? http://www.heritageclassics.com/sunbeam/67tigerblk/Page.html Although the VIN matches a MkII, and the entry in the Book of Norman is consistent with the car having moved from Florida to LA in the early 90s, there are a bunch of inconsistencies with the car. (I should mention BON also lists a "q" next to the information received in '92.) Hooded headlight rings, missing emblems, no back up lights, missing wheel well chrome, etc. just raise a few questions. I imagine folks on this thread might know the car. Kent [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 9 01:18:29 2008 From: J D Johnson To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 00:18:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Question on MkII Kent, Here's the warning from Norm's site...http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/pistonheads/lloyds-of-london.htm JD At 11:20 PM 8/8/2008, Baker, Kent wrote: >Does anyone have any information on the MarkII currently at Heritage Classics >in Los Angeles? 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(http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 9 12:21:23 2008 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 14:20:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Question on MkII - answered The correct web page: http://www.rootes1.com/index.asp select June 2008. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 9 12:27:38 2008 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 14:27:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Bumper guard question I have a collection of bumper guards, some with a brace welded inside and some without. In other word some are completely hollow inside and some have a flat piece of metal welded with a bolt hole drilled through that lines up with the one in the guard. For a B947xxxx Tiger what should it have? Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 9 13:23:05 2008 From: Jeff Howarth To: Cushcom1@aol.com Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 20:22:04 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] EBAY LISTING QUERY HI Jeff, here is a note I sent to the lister of the Mk1 and the response I got............. > Hi, > thanks for your reply. > I like the look of the car but as you may know there are a number of >converted Alpines which are not recognised by the clubs in CA as >original Tigers. > they run a programme to validate the authenticity of a car called the TAC >programme. I have just bought another tiger and gone through this and it >does not exclude cars that have been modified so long at the car is a >factory built tiger. > If I win the car, would you be prepared to have the car inspected. the >chassis number is a correct tiger tag. > The inspection is free and would be done by senior club members. > would that be OK ? > If I win the car I will arrange shipping via SD. > Many thanks > Jeff RESPONSE I am fine with doing that. but shouldn't that be done before you bid on the car? please give me a call dustin Doesnt seem to be trying to hide much. If you read the description, you will see that the restoration was done by a general custom shop in San diego - does anyone know of it ? regards Jeff In message , Cushcom1@aol.com writes >Do any listers out there know anything about the "1967 Alpine Sunbeam Tiger >Mark 1A" listed on E-Bay? With its extreme modifications, it is too difficult >for me to identify "clues" to confirm its authenticity. Your input is >appreciated. >jeff the tigerman > > > > >**************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? >Read reviews on AOL Autos. >(http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut0005000 >0000017 ) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as jeff@v8tiger.demon.co.uk > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > -- Jeff Howarth _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 10 17:02:42 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:02:09 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Report and thank you It seems I have asked a lot of list questions over the past few months for the "update" I have been doing. I thought it was time to give thanks to all list members who have answered my questions and to 4 members in particular who have been ever so helpful in sharing their knowledge....Tom Hall in engine and tranny help and in supplying the conversion material to convert to a 5 speed. Tim Ronak for helpful information on details of the engine building identifying the timing cover, etc.. Theo Smith for help on the many electrical questions regarding converting to an alternator and Buck Tripple for much help the front suspension. So, I have ended up with a 331 ci and a 5 speed. The engine dynoed at 370hp, cruises at 1800 rpm at 70 mph and is getting about 25 mpg at 70mph. So, I am very satisfied in that department. I really have to be above 60 to use 5th gear. It won't drive well in 4th gear at 10 mph in the city like the old 260 would do. I'm not sure if some adjusting will help that or if I'll have to live with that part and actually shift. It does pretty much fly. I have been trying to get the first 500 miles in and just take it easy. However, there is one loud Civic (with one of those fruit juice can mufflers) that now knows what a Tiger is. And never had to get above 3500 rpm's;-) Thank you one and all for your help. And, see my next post for today's adventure. Mark L. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 10 17:21:44 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:21:41 EDT Subject: [Tigers] today on the new engine I was out today trying to get some miles on the new engine. I have probably done about 250. I was on a country road today and missed a turn. So, I pulled into a driveway, began backing out and the whole car got surrounded in smoke. I was in the middle of the road near a curve and knew I had to at least get off the road. I pulled ahead in a cloud of smoke, glanced down at the oil pressure gauge and it was at zero. You can imagine what was going through my head. I pulled ahead 50 feet, shut the engine off and coasted down a hill to a parking area in front of a restaurant. Upon lifting the hood I discovered everything covered in oil. There was no sense in checking the dipstick because with oil all around and on the ground I knew I had lost plenty and also knew whatever it was I couldn't fix it there. I called AAA for a flatbed and they got me the 35 miles home. I got thinking that the engine had been running great with no strange noises so it couldn't have blown a hole anywhere. I had the car on the lift yesterday so I knew that nothing was leaking. There are just very few external places where this engine can leak. Maybe the oil pan seeping or something, but not a real leak like this. I narrowed it down in my head to 3 possibilities...a loose or leaking oil filter, a leaking oil pressure sending line or a loose or lost drain plug. When I got home the first thing I did was reach down for the oil sending line...it was dangling! It had popped off the fitting at the engine end. So, lesson learned. I had this new plastic line that I had purchased last year from one of the suppliers..either CAT or SS..can't remember which. Someone had written in recently saying that we should never use the plastic one since a flexible stainless model is available. Well, I figured I had the plastic one and the original one had lasted 40+ years so........... Of course with paying for the tow I could have bought a few new metal lines. I guess the advice is...even if you have a new plastic one...throw it and get a metal version. The good news is I doubt that any harm was done to the new engine. After the car set for a while I checked the oil level and it was only down about 1/2 quart. I can tell you that when a 1/2 quart is blown all over the engine and dripping on the ground that it looks like about 10 quarts. At least my mind was eased in knowing that the engine had not been running without oil. Sure hope that you all had a less eventful day;-) Mark L. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 10 18:01:44 2008 From: "Duke Samouce" To: Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:00:58 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Rebuild Hello all, My speedo is down for the count. I recently took it apart to clean it and discovered that the spring that is attached to the "drag wheel" has been eaten. I received a quote from SPEEDOMETER PLUS in LA for $225 to fix it and recalibrate it for my 3.07 rear diff. Does anyone have a recommended speedo rebuilder and is $225 in line for the repairs and recal.? Thanks, Duke _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 10 20:25:03 2008 From: drmayf To: "tigers@autox.team.net" , Alpines Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:24:38 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Bonneville Salt Flats Bound... Well, it is time for me to fill everybody in on where the Sunbeam is and where it is going. There were many modifications to the car this off season. I added a third rool cage hoop, added tthe lateral head support (now required), dropped th e driver seat dowm 1 3/8 inches, sent my parachute to the manufacturer for an inspection and repair as necessary, ditto the drivers suit jacket (the sleeve some how got burned and had actually been on fire says the manufacturer), fabricated new headers (whew! what a task), changed from twin turbos to one T72, had the headers coated by Caps Bright Hot Coatings (great folk!), remade the rear diagonal link locator for the 4 bar suspension, modified the throttl ebody hat, modified the throttle body spacer to the manifold, purchase two new ear wheels from Diamond Racing Wheels and had the bonneville tires mounted and balanced. Also made a new remote oil filter system using fram HP1 racing oil filter and -10 AN hose and fittings. Added a new water/methanol injection system. Added recording capability for oil pressure, fuel pressure, exhaust back pressure at the turbo to go along with recording the Manifold pressure, which I already had. Rewired the 0 - 300 mph speedo and will calibrate that when I tow to inspection area. I did not go to the chassis dyno this year because it is over in Las Vegas and for the past two years I didn't ge much out of it. About a month ago or maybe a bit more, I fired it all up and for something that had been sitting for quite a while, It started an dran fine. When I buzzed it a bit, 2000 rpm, i tgot enough smoke and fresh oil out the turbo hot side that I decided it was fubared and replaced it with a borrowed T70. Then during a check of the waste gates, I found that one of the internal diaphrams had a hole in it letting the boost presure go from the bottom to th etop and that effectively held both waste gates fully closed. No wonder it wouldn't rev, the exhaust had no place to go except through those very dinky T3 turbine housings (0.63) which equates to a exhaust pipe of about 0.9 inches in diameter. All hat is behind me for now. It's show time! For any of you that may want to wander out to Wendover, UT, we'll be located in the big red 34 ft box trailer with teh spirit of sunbeam logo on the front and sides and my tow truck has "mayf" on the tailgate. The August Speed Week is for sure a specacle and all you motor and gear heads should make that pilgrimage at least once. Right now there are more than 500 vehicles scheduled to run. Inspection starts on Sunday, course opens on Mondy after the mandatory driver's meeting which shul dbe around 10:30 am (Wendover, UT time). we generally do not ry and be the first on the course becaus eI like to watch a couple of cars to see how they are doing on the salt.. We will be at the Wendover Nugget.. we wil lbe monioring or drmayf@yahoo.com email during th etime we are gone. ya'll come on down! mayf _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 10 21:29:28 2008 From: "steve wick" To: , "Duke Samouce" Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:29:15 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speedo Rebuild Out of curiosity, why wouldn't they "calibrate" it by changing the gear on the end of the cable? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Duke Samouce To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Rebuild Hello all, My speedo is down for the count. I recently took it apart to clean it and discovered that the spring that is attached to the "drag wheel" has been eaten. I received a quote from SPEEDOMETER PLUS in LA for $225 to fix it and recalibrate it for my 3.07 rear diff. Does anyone have a recommended speedo rebuilder and is $225 in line for the repairs and recal.? Thanks, Duke _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 08:16:04 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:16:09 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Brake Pressure Multiplier Curious...would this have any useful application on a Tiger running without a booster? M _http://ecihotrodbrakes.com/brake_pressure_multiplier.html_ (http://ecihotrodbrakes.com/brake_pressure_multiplier.html) **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 08:26:07 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:26:08 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Pressure Multiplier It says "a slight increase in pedal travel is required for operation". All that this thing does is to use a step-down piston to give increased pressure at a reduced volume. You would get the same effect from starting with a smaller sized master cylinder bore. However, if you want to run the stock master cylinder in a Tiger (and you know you're not close to bottoming the master cylinder piston in the bore, or running out of pedal travel) then this might be a good device to play with. Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 08:58:50 2008 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:58:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Correct Badge Motif Hi all, I am in the process of installing the side and boot motif badges that were missing from the car and I may have the wrong ones. This would be for a mid-series MK IA, B382001465. Should they be the "260" badges or the "V-8" badges? When did they change? Thanks, Bugz _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 09:04:39 2008 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: , Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:04:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct Badge Motif I think the correct answer would be "nobody knows for sure when the exact changeover occured." This could be interesting. Let's have a poll. B382000829. Sunbeam 260 badge with Chrysler Pentastar. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 09:24:12 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: shutchin@netjets.com, mark.rense@ge.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:17:07 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct Badge Motif #1369 with Pentastar **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 09:24:59 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: mark.rense@ge.com, Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:20:29 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct Badge Motif Also on #1369....V8 badge **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 10:14:54 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Rense, Mark \(GE Indust, ConsInd\)'" , Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:14:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct Badge Motif Bugz The only really good reference about this is in TBON. B9470001 - B9473100 Powered by Ford 260 European emblem Alpine 260 B9473101 - B9473767 and B9480001 - B9480073 Sunbeam 260 B382000001 - B382000900 Not specified; I will assume Sunbeam 260 B382000901 - B382002706 Sunbeam V8 plus a Chrysler Pentastar B382100001 - B382100633 Not specified; I assume Sunbeam V8 and a Pentastar Norm Miller is the expert when it come to these types of questions. My Tiger B382000009 has 2 Powered by Ford 260 and 1 Sunbeam V8. I don't recall if those are the emblems that came on the car or if I purchased them during the restoration period. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:59 AM To: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Correct Badge Motif Hi all, I am in the process of installing the side and boot motif badges that were missing from the car and I may have the wrong ones. This would be for a mid-series MK IA, B382001465. Should they be the "260" badges or the "V-8" badges? When did they change? Thanks, Bugz You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1603 - Release Date: 8/10/2008 6:13 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 10:31:13 2008 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:31:18 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct Badge Motif Pentastar V8 fenders and boot B382002560 **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 10:35:48 2008 From: "Ronak, TP (Timothy)" To: "Tiger News Group List" Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:35:55 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] badges B382000680 has 260 emblems Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc. 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 PH: 949-305-5393 Cell: 949-289-3357 FX: 425-955-6268 Email: timothy.ronak@crna.akzonobel.com Personal Email: timronak@cox.net If you received this message in error please inform the sender and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 12:07:54 2008 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:01:01 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Specialties ??? I've been trying to access the website for 3 days but not getting it. Anyone have the phone number ? I hope there not gone ? Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 12:08:28 2008 From: Rollright@aol.com To: drmayf@yahoo.com, drmayf@mayfco.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:02:12 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Salt Flats Well................. Looks like you'll be one the flats this year. From what you said before, I didn't think that this year you'd make it . BUT.............. Time to go fast and get the record. You can do it this time and we are with you in spirit. All hail Mayf and his quest. Best regards, Jim Armstrong **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 12:10:33 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: sralsten@ca.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:10:42 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Specialties ??? I couldn't get in either. 408-371-1642 **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 13:38:07 2008 From: vegaslegal@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:37:12 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Badge survey B382000975 Acquired as an unmodified original needing freshening: Sunbeam V-8? Fenders and boot. Pentastar Badge. S U N B E A M on trunk only. I talked to Norm when I first got the car.? He seemed surprised at both the V8 and the pentastar. Bob Nersesian _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 14:02:56 2008 From: drmayf To: Rollright@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:02:47 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Salt Flats It was a challenge! I had a lot of stuff to do and I am getting way too old to work in the heat, lol. I will go as fast as the car or my heart will let me. One or th eother may give out lol.. mayf Rollright@aol.com wrote: > Well................. > > > Looks like you'll be one the flats this year. From what you said > before, I didn't think that this year you'd make it . > > BUT.............. > > Time to go fast and get the record. You can do it this time and we are > with you in spirit. > > All hail Mayf and his quest. > > Best regards, > > > > Jim Armstrong > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read > reviews on AOL Autos > . _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 14:03:18 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fun video Normally don't find videos that are really that fun to watch, but something fun about watching these little cars go over and over, made my Monday watching it a couple of times ;-) http://www.motorator.com/videos/372 Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 14:20:57 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: sganz@pacbell.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:20:57 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fun video _http://www.motorator.com/videos/372_ (http://www.motorator.com/videos/372) LOL, it's like some of them don't realize that when a curve comes up you are supposed to turn:-) If you are going to view this race you had better choose some pretty high ground. M **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 14:32:46 2008 From: Drmoonstone@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:32:56 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Specialties Website SS's phone number is 1-408-371-1642. Just talked with them and they were not aware the site was down. Rick is contacting the man that maintains the site for them. Moonstone ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 14:44:52 2008 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: , Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:44:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Specialties ??? I've been on the site three times today and over the weekend, it's worked fine. Maybe your computer's gudgeon pins need to be recalibrated.... :>) -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten@ca.rr.com Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 2:01 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Specialties ??? I've been trying to access the website for 3 days but not getting it. Anyone have the phone number ? I hope there not gone ? Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 22:37:34 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:37:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum Dashboard Does anyone know about this Dashboard. I got it off of ebay a month or so ago, but wondered were it came out of and if anyone has a picture of it populated with gauges and switches. http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/TigerOilPan.html Picture in the middle of the page http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/TigerOilPan.html A new picture of a car my friend just bought from Bob Sharp Racing, but notice the what might be a Tiger in background (It may be an Alpine??) Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 00:06:53 2008 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:06:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Aluminum Dashboard Sandy, It must be a Tiger. An Alpine would have had the hood scoop off to the side. Great picture of the cars, but I missed the picture of the dashboard, A.C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > > Does anyone know about this Dashboard. I got it off of ebay a month or so > ago, but wondered were it came out of and if anyone has a picture of it > populated. A new picture of a car my friend just bought from Bob Sharp >Racing, but notice the what might be a Tiger in background (It may be an >Alpine??) > Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 02:57:29 2008 From: Steven silverstein To: tigers@autox.team.net, alpines@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:56:33 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Don Sesslar's Tiger at the SCCA Runoffs - YouTube Hey, this is unusual.... this Home movie, labeled 1964 Daytona runoffs (incorrectly labeled) Has some decent images of the Sports Car Forum Tiger (around the 1:30 mark and around the 5:40 mark) http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=AsL_W7I5OlA Very unusual to see actual films of the Runoffs like this. Steve Silverstein _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 07:13:21 2008 From: Cullen McCann To: "A. C. Tynes" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:11:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Aluminum Dashboard I think Sandy meant to send the link to the main Tiger page. The dashboard is down at the bottom. Good looking piece....i don't remember it on the Bay... http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/Tiger.html Sandy, It must be a Tiger. An Alpine would have had the hood scoop off to the side. Great picture of the cars, but I missed the picture of the dashboard, A.C. Tynes _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 08:57:58 2008 From: tym2@comcast.net To: tigers@autox.team.net (Tiger's List) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:58:06 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] K&N air cleaner Tigers, Does anyone have the model # for a K&N filter that will fit a Tiger air cleaner? Thanks in advance. Tym McDowell _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 08:59:49 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: tym2@comcast.net Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:00:00 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] K&N air cleaner not sure but victoria british sell it. On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 3:58 PM, wrote: > Tigers, > > Does anyone have the model # for a K&N filter that will fit a Tiger air cleaner? > > Thanks in advance. > > Tym McDowell > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 09:23:06 2008 From: KJENSSEN@aol.com To: tym2@comcast.net Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:18:30 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] K&N air cleaner I recently was researching and found the following information. I have not purchased a K&N filter yet, I still have a paper filter. Hopefully other Tiger owners may be able to confirm the info. K&N E-3717 11.75" x 13.5" x 2.5" +/- $ 47.00 _http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=E-3717_ (http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=E-3717) K&N E-2859 11.75" x 13.5" x 1.5" +/- $ 46.00 _http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=E-2859_ (http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=E-2859) I currently have a paper filter ( WIX 42100 ) +/- $ 12.00 _http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlookup/PartDetail.asp?Part=42100_ (http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlookup/PartDetail.asp?Part=42100) I believe NAPA makes them - NAPA part 2100 +/- $ 12.00 _http://www.napaonline.com/NOLPPSE/(S(10ni25zljzifwc3x1cqrwg45))/Detail.aspx?R =FIL2100_0071369629_ (http://www.napaonline.com/NOLPPSE/(S(10ni25zljzifwc3x1cqrwg45))/Detail.aspx?R=FIL2100_0071369629) Kirt Jenssen **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 09:35:08 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: KJENSSEN@aol.com, tym2@comcast.net Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:35:10 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] K&N air cleaner I was going to get a K&N until I read a test article that Hot Rod Magazine did. With an engine on the dyno (sorry, can't remember which engine) they swapped different air filters and found no HPdifference with the K&N than from a cheap paper unit. So, I decided to go with a paper unit. Filtering ability...I guess the jury is still out on that one. M **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 09:45:26 2008 From: KJENSSEN@aol.com To: CoolVT@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:45:31 EDT Subject: [Tigers] more info at TIGERSUNITED.COM K&N air filter TIM RONAK posted info on the TIGERSUNITED.com web site. go to the air filters elements assemblies section _http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-fuelsys.asp#Air%20Filter s%20and%20Assemblies_ (http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-fuelsys.asp#Air%20Filters%20and%20Assemblies) **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 09:50:10 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: KJENSSEN@aol.com, tym2@comcast.net, CoolVT@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] K&N air cleaner I saved the box and will post the part number later today. I bought mine at an Auto Zone but they had to order one, as it wasnt an item they keep on the shelf. As far as the test Mark mentioned- it may well be true the filters they compared ran the same numbers but I could feel the increase in power after installing the K&N. Not to mention its the last filter you should ever have to purchase. I dont remember the brand name of the filter I removed but it was in almost new condition. I do know it wasnt a stock AC filter. TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 09:52:23 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: KJENSSEN@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:52:29 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] more info at TIGERSUNITED.COM K&N air filter Go figure. They found the opposite of what the Hot Rod test showed. So, maybe there is something to the K&N. I stand corrected. mark **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 09:52:50 2008 From: "Russ Eshelman" To: , Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:54:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] K&N air cleaner I'm running the K&N # 2859 on both of my cars with stock housing. Russ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] K&N air cleaner >I recently was researching and found the following information. I have not > purchased a K&N filter yet, I still have a paper filter. Hopefully other > Tiger owners may be able to confirm the info. > > K&N E-3717 11.75" x 13.5" x 2.5" +/- $ 47.00 > _http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=E-3717_ > (http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=E-3717) > > K&N E-2859 11.75" x 13.5" x 1.5" +/- $ 46.00 > _http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=E-2859_ > (http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=E-2859) > > I currently have a paper filter ( WIX 42100 ) +/- $ 12.00 > _http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlookup/PartDetail.asp?Part=42100_ > (http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlookup/PartDetail.asp?Part=42100) > > I believe NAPA makes them - NAPA part 2100 +/- $ 12.00 > _http://www.napaonline.com/NOLPPSE/(S(10ni25zljzifwc3x1cqrwg45))/Detail.aspx? R > =FIL2100_0071369629_ > (http://www.napaonline.com/NOLPPSE/(S(10ni25zljzifwc3x1cqrwg45))/Detail.aspx? R=FIL2100_0071369629) > > Kirt Jenssen > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000500000000 17 ) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as russe@firstva.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: 8/11/2008 5:50 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 10:46:13 2008 From: "Jerry" To: , "'Tiger's List'" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:43:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] K&N air cleaner I've been using the E-2859 K&N filter since I installed it on 9-18-86. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tym2@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:58 AM To: Tiger's List Subject: [Tigers] K&N air cleaner Tigers, Does anyone have the model # for a K&N filter that will fit a Tiger air cleaner? Thanks in advance. Tym McDowell You are subscribed as jcmc2006@suddenlink.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 11:02:03 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Aluminum Dashboard Yep, it was late last night, thanks for the update link. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Cullen McCann To: A. C. Tynes ; "tigers@autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 6:11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Aluminum Dashboard I think Sandy meant to send the link to the main Tiger page. The dashboard is down at the bottom. Good looking piece....i don't remember it on the Bay... http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/Tiger.html Sandy, It must be a Tiger. An Alpine would have had the hood scoop off to the side. Great picture of the cars, but I missed the picture of the dashboard, A.C. Tynes _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 11:58:41 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Sandy Ganz Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:58:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fun video Sandy & Tigers, Wow, were they lucky not to have been really hurt badly. At least they had some fields, and trees, keeping them not too far from the road. It's a LOOOONG way down if this were in the mountainous portions of the Italian or Swiss Alps. On the other hand, the spectators seem to pick the dangerous places to observe. When I was young and foolish, we had "races" over the mountainous roads between Hollywood and Mulholland in our new MG-TD's. I went off the outside of a turn into dirt, and luckily stopped just before the edge. Then another car lost it and stopped just before my rear bumper, or I wouldn't be here to day. ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Sandy Ganz wrote: > Normally don't find videos that are really that fun to watch, but something > fun about watching these little cars go over and over, made my Monday watching > it a couple of times ;-) > > http://www.motorator.com/videos/372 > Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 13:26:06 2008 From: To: , Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:26:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] more info at TIGERSUNITED.COM K&N air filter I believe anytime an air filter moves more air to increase power it is doing less of a job removing dirt......I use paper filters..still considered the best of all lowtech filters..Gary B9472283 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] more info at TIGERSUNITED.COM K&N air filter > Go figure. They found the opposite of what the Hot Rod test showed. So, > maybe there is something to the K&N. I stand corrected. > mark > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as arado7@sbcglobal.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 14:03:56 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:03:08 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Sticking brakes I noticed today that my driver side rear brake was sticking so bad that when the car was jacked up I couldn't turn the wheel. The passenger side rear and both fronts turned freely. I figured the hand brake was hanging up. I turned the adjuster all the way out and disconnected the hand brake at the wheel and pushed the lever on the brake all the way in. The wheel still wouldn't turn. I opened the bleeder and drained about 1/2 ounce and then could just turn the wheel a little, but still really hung up. I took the wheel and drum off, moved everything around and nothing seemed to be binding. When I took the shoes off I squeezed the cylinder plunger rod in about 1/2" with pliers. Cleaned the adjuster and put anit-sieze on it and put it back together and it turns as it should. Since the passenger side rear is okay I know it can't be a swollen rubber hose. I doubt it's contamination in the line. I changed the fluid a few weeks back and it was clean and everything bled the way that it should. So the question is can the brake cylinder itself hang up internally? Will it hang up again the next time I apply the brakes? Mark **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 14:05:59 2008 From: Peter Laurinaitis To: tigers@autox.team.net, CoolVT@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sticking brakes i had my rear brake freeze up from non-use, a little hammer tapping on the drum freed it and it worked fine thereafter Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02@wharton.upenn.edu --- On Tue, 8/12/08, CoolVT@aol.com wrote: > From: CoolVT@aol.com > Subject: [Tigers] Sticking brakes > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 4:03 PM > I noticed today that my driver side rear brake was sticking > so bad that when > the car was jacked up I couldn't turn the wheel. The > passenger side rear > and both fronts turned freely. > I figured the hand brake was hanging up. I turned the > adjuster all the way > out and disconnected the hand brake at the wheel and pushed > the lever on the > brake all the way in. The wheel still wouldn't turn. > I opened the bleeder and drained about 1/2 ounce and then > could just turn > the wheel a little, but still really hung up. I took the > wheel and drum off, > moved everything around and nothing seemed to be binding. > When I took the > shoes off I squeezed the cylinder plunger rod in about > 1/2" with pliers. Cleaned > the adjuster and put anit-sieze on it and put it back > together and it turns > as it should. > Since the passenger side rear is okay I know it can't > be a swollen rubber > hose. I doubt it's contamination in the line. I > changed the fluid a few weeks > back and it was clean and everything bled the way that it > should. > So the question is can the brake cylinder itself hang up > internally? Will > it hang up again the next time I apply the brakes? > Mark _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 14:45:38 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:45:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sticking brakes Mark So the question is can the brake cylinder itself hang up internally? Will it hang up again the next time I apply the brakes? Can it hang up internally; yes it can; with the wheel and drum off push the brake pedal some then release and watch the action of that cylinder. This will show if anything is hanging up for any reason. Check that the cylinder moves in and out properly and that the shoes retract; grease the pads that the shoes ride on if needed. If the cylinder looks like it is hanging up you will have to remove it and check the condition of the rubber cup seal on the piston and the condition of the cylinder wall which should look like a mirror finish. Remember that the rear brake cylinders are a slide fit on the back plate to help center the shoes and to move when the hand brake is applied. Make sure the cylinder can slide. Put everything back together and with just the brake drum on; try the brake pedal and the hand brake to see if it works properly. Good Luck Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 4:03 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Sticking brakes I noticed today that my driver side rear brake was sticking so bad that when the car was jacked up I couldn't turn the wheel. The passenger side rear and both fronts turned freely. I figured the hand brake was hanging up. I turned the adjuster all the way out and disconnected the hand brake at the wheel and pushed the lever on the brake all the way in. The wheel still wouldn't turn. I opened the bleeder and drained about 1/2 ounce and then could just turn the wheel a little, but still really hung up. I took the wheel and drum off, moved everything around and nothing seemed to be binding. When I took the shoes off I squeezed the cylinder plunger rod in about 1/2" with pliers. Cleaned the adjuster and put anit-sieze on it and put it back together and it turns as it should. Since the passenger side rear is okay I know it can't be a swollen rubber hose. I doubt it's contamination in the line. I changed the fluid a few weeks back and it was clean and everything bled the way that it should. So the question is can the brake cylinder itself hang up internally? Will it hang up again the next time I apply the brakes? Mark **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000 017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.1/1608 - Release Date: 8/12/2008 4:59 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 15:25:46 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:25:14 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sticking brakes If you do this, remember that the master cylinder can pump more volume than what's required to spit the wheel cylinder piston right out of its bore. So when Ron says "push the brake pedal some" he means "just a little". Ideally you'd do this test after first restricting the movement of the shoes with a really large hose clamp or something... If you get a helper, make sure they understand not to floor the pedal. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: August 12, 2008 2:45 PM To: CoolVT@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sticking brakes Mark Can it hang up internally; yes it can; with the wheel and drum off push the brake pedal some then release and watch the action of that cylinder. This will show if anything is hanging up for any reason. Check that the cylinder moves in and out properly and that the shoes retract; grease the pads that the shoes ride on if needed. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 15:29:39 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: Theo.Smit@dynastream.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:29:19 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sticking brakes Okay good advice. I'm wondering now if the brakes might have somehow got jammed up on the car's ride on a flatbed yesterday. I had the hand brake on and even thought the car was tied down it definitely did a little moving and put a strain on the brakes. The thing is before I took everything apart I couldn't move the brake adjuster in either direction. After removing the drum and shoes the adjuster moved just fine. M **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 16:18:21 2008 From: Randy Smith To: Tiger List Serve Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:17:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Holley Question About a month ago I posted the following question: /"Ok, so I'm too lazy to do the research on my own, but everyone is so helpful, you make it too easy to ask...... I just installed an F4B and new Holley 0-1848-1 (465 cfm). The car idles very well and runs at all RPM's pretty strong. The only issue is when you hit the gas quickly. Then it stumbles. If you tickle it a bit, it picks right up and goes quickly and strongly up through the RPM's to redline. Sounds like an accelerator pump adjustment of some sort????? Timing and advance appears to be right on. Checked for vacuum leaks too, and everything looks OK. Any suggestions on tweaking the carb?" / Just to follow-up, the car now runs super-good. I took it over to my local drag-racer mechanic who has lots of experience with Holley's. He told me to go buy a Holley spring kit for the secondaries and a ramp kit for the accelerator pump, because we would likely need to try some different combinations. As it turns out, it was even simpler than that. The first thing he checked was the float level in both bowls. Remember that this was a NEW Holley 1848, right out of the box. The front level was low. The rear level was beyond low. We readjusted both to the correct factory spec. Then he checked the actuator rod for the accelerator pump. It was adjusted much too long to the point that it was only giving a partial stroke during each pump. He adjusted it shorter to give a full stroke. DONE. That was it. No need for any additional parts. It idles, runs and accelerates fantastic now. Another lesson learned. Double-check the factory settings too! Hope that might be helpful to someone else out there. -Randy -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ@cs.com Tiger- B382000189 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 16:23:11 2008 From: Joey Hiykel To: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:23:24 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Brake Lights intermitant its been a while since Ive replied or posted. But i took the tiger out for a nice cruise the other day and someone stopped me and said the brake lights dont work. Well i went home and checked them out. now i cant check them my self mving, but i checked them stopped. And then come on sometimes, sometimes they flicker. most of the time they dont come on at all. Now i did this both with engine idleing and revved up a little for the generator to throw some charge. Now is there a switch inline with the brake line or is there a switch on the back of the brake pedal? I only had a couple minutes to look at it, but it looked like there is some sort of inline switch in the brake lines right down by the generator. anyone have this problem before?? thanks. Joey _________________________________________________________________ Reveal your inner athlete and share it with friends on Windows Live. http://revealyourinnerathlete.windowslive.com?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WLY IA_whichathlete_us _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 16:27:25 2008 From: PhastPhill@aol.com To: v8sunbeamtiger@hotmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:27:13 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Lights intermitant That is where the inline pressure switch is. Of course check all your grounds as well. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 17:03:03 2008 From: "michael king" To: Frank Clarici Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:03:15 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Don Sesslar's Tiger at the SCCA Runoffs - YouTube On 12/08/2008, Steven silverstein wrote: > Hey, this is unusual.... this Home movie, labeled 1964 Daytona > runoffs (incorrectly labeled) > Has some decent images of the Sports Car Forum Tiger (around the > 1:30 mark and around the 5:40 mark) > > http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=AsL_W7I5OlA The video also shows the HSC car.. and looks to have had a hit on the drivers side. You see it leaving the grid at 5:12 (seems to be wearing number 7) and then see it drive past before the SCF tiger goes off at 5:30 then you get a ncei nice close-up drive by at 5:40! if only there was sound. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 17:16:34 2008 From: "Stu Brennan" To: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:16:46 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] New England TE/AE Gathering This Saturday - Reminder Join TE/AE for our mid summer gathering at the Collings Foundation in Stow, MA. Race of the Century Saturday, August 16th Stow, MA Hours: 8:30 AM to 4:30 PM An extraordinary event that pits some of the greatest technological advancements in air and ground transportation against each other in a series of "races" Exhibits and displays throughout the event. Races start around 1:00 PM Entire Facility Open Daily: 8:30 AM to 4:30 PM Gate Fee: $15 Adults / $10 Children What are the races? How about a horse and carriage vs. a 1905 Franklin or a Stanley Steamer? A Stutz Bearcat vs. 1909 BLERIOT? A 1937 Offy sprint car vs. a Stearman? Want more info and directions? All the answers are on the Foundation's web site at: http://www.collingsfoundation.org/cf_RofC2008.htm In addition, I have some photos from my visit to their open house last spring (no races) at: http://www.pbase.com/sb_photos/bobstoys I have checked with the Foundation staff, and if we get there early enough we would probably be able to park together. So plan on being there by 10:00. Bring a picnic lunch or buy food on site. There's plenty to see, since there is quite a collection of antique aircraft and cars. Rides in the aircraft are available for a substantial fee, but there is advanced booking. Check the web site for details if you are interested. Note: The races are on both Saturday and Sunday. We are going on Saturday, saving Sunday for a rain date. Please RSVP so I have some idea how many are coming. Stu Brennan stubrennan@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 17:22:25 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Joey Hiykel Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:22:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Lights intermitant Joey, I'd check the lamp bulbs and socket bases for corrosion, which could cause anything from "intermittent" to "out". A little fine steel wool ought to clean them up. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Joey Hiykel wrote: > its been a while since Ive replied or posted. > > But i took the tiger out for a nice cruise the other day and someone stopped > me and said the brake lights dont work. Well i went home and checked them out. > now i cant check them my self mving, but i checked them stopped. And then come > on sometimes, sometimes they flicker. most of the time they dont come on at > all. Now i did this both with engine idleing and revved up a little for the > generator to throw some charge. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 17:53:28 2008 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: tym2@comcast.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:53:23 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] K&N air cleaner My box says CLE-2859. Its round so bend to shape. Got it at Pep Boys. In a message dated 8/12/2008 9:58:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, tym2@comcast.net writes: Tigers, Does anyone have the model # for a K&N filter that will fit a Tiger air cleaner? Thanks in advance. Tym McDowell You are subscribed as djoh797014@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 18:00:54 2008 From: "Buck Trippel" To: "michael king" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:00:43 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Don Sesslar's Tiger at the SCCA Runoffs - YouTube I had given up hope of ever seeing videos of either of the those factory supported Tigers, much less both of them in the same race. Steve, great job finding this for us! What's confusing about this video is that the last minute of it shows the first minute of the race. The next part of the race is seen in the first part of the Video. The run group is combined Ap and Bp. It looks like a standing start and Jim Adams, driving the HSC Tiger, passes the camera (located about 300 yards down the track) in 5th, mainly trailing Ap race cars. Don Sesslar, who had to start dead last in the Sports Car Forum Tiger due to not running during qualifying (caused by a "misunderstanding" between Rootes and Doanne), passes the camera just as he was moving up 3 or 4 places. Then in the next shot, about 13 cars pass before Don's Tiger pulls off the track and onto the grass. This was the race where the two quickest Tigers were "punted" out in the first lap. There's a story I've heard from 3 completely different parties that Chevy gave/rewarded the driver of the Stingray that nailed the Hollywood Sports Car Tiger a new Vette as well as a new pick-up truck in time for the next race season. Before seeing this video, I had no idea about how extensively both Tigers were damaged. At about 1:30 into the video there's a shot of Don's Tiger on the grass. It took a big hit on the right front. At about 5:40, what appears to be the HSC Tiger, passes the camera. It looks like there's so little left of the HSC passenger door after the "accident" that you can see Jim Adams lap as he drives past the camera. Buck Trippel >> >> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=AsL_W7I5OlA > > > The video also shows the HSC car.. and looks to have had a hit on the > drivers side. You see it leaving the grid at 5:12 (seems to be wearing > number 7) and then see it drive past before the SCF tiger goes off at > 5:30 then you get a ncei nice close-up drive by at 5:40! if only > there was sound. > > -- > Regards > > Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 18:32:01 2008 From: PhastPhill@aol.com To: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com, v8sunbeamtiger@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:33:01 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Lights intermitant If you have to replace the brake light pressure switch, be careful you get one with the correct threads. Seems to be at least two styles available. I was lucky my local british parts guy had the correct one in stock. This stuff is brass so you could strip it easily, take your time. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 18:37:30 2008 From: "Ronak, TP (Timothy)" To: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:37:27 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] K&N filter Owain, The K&N unit that is supplid is smaller than what can be fit into the housing. I would go for a 1 and > tall by 14 inch diameter piece. If you squeeze it in you get all of the filter you can use. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc. 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 PH: 949-305-5393 Cell: 949-289-3357 FX: 425-955-6268 Email: timothy.ronak@crna.akzonobel.com Personal Email: timronak@cox.net If you received this message in error please inform the sender and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 19:30:37 2008 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: v8sunbeamtiger@hotmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:30:29 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Lights intermitant The brake light switch is hydraulic and is mounted on the brake junction under the generator. As have been discussed on pervious lists, this switch is prone to get sticky and not work without pressing hard on the pedal. Best advice was switch to a mechanical switch from a pick a part donor. Dave In a message dated 8/12/2008 5:24:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, v8sunbeamtiger@hotmail.com writes: its been a while since Ive replied or posted. But i took the tiger out for a nice cruise the other day and someone stopped me and said the brake lights dont work. Well i went home and checked them out. now i cant check them my self mving, but i checked them stopped. And then come on sometimes, sometimes they flicker. most of the time they dont come on at all. Now i did this both with engine idleing and revved up a little for the generator to throw some charge. Now is there a switch inline with the brake line or is there a switch on the back of the brake pedal? I only had a couple minutes to look at it, but it looked like there is some sort of inline switch in the brake lines right down by the generator. anyone have this problem before?? thanks. Joey _________________________________________________________________ Reveal your inner athlete and share it with friends on Windows Live. http://revealyourinnerathlete.windowslive.com?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WLY IA_whichathlete_us You are subscribed as djoh797014@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 20:14:44 2008 From: Scott Rekate To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:14:13 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fun video Just got home, so chiming in a little late here on the left coast to catch up on the emails. Thanks Sandy for the inspiring video on where not to stand when at a race rally. And did you also take a look at the one of a Factory Five Cobra. The onboard mic/camera pics up a little too much wind but the growl of its V8 has fervent resonance, gives me chills, and reminds me of my own 331 stroker. Youser! http://www.motorator.com/videos/177 Scott B382000659 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 20:54:57 2008 From: "Kirk Smith" To: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:54:47 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Don Sesslar's Tiger at the SCCA Runoffs - YouTube That's pretty neat stuff. Those old 8mm cameras would only shoot about 3 minutes of film before you had to change to a new roll- whoever spliced them together must have gotten them out of order. What a treasure! Kirk B382000503 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 21:09:48 2008 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: BuckTrippel@Verizon.net, michael.s.king@gmail.com Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:09:51 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Don Sesslar's Tiger at the SCCA Runoffs - YouTube Great find...amazing what turns up on the 'net. Thanks for lending a little background/context, Buck. For some reason, even though I was brand new to this world during the era of sports car racing depicted, I've always gravitated towards the mid to late '60s road racing cars...the Tiger content is very cool, but there's just so much more to see on this clip! Thanks again for posting, Steve. Mike Wood In a message dated 8/12/2008 5:01:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, BuckTrippel@Verizon.net writes: I had given up hope of ever seeing videos of either of the those factory supported Tigers, much less both of them in the same race. Steve, great job finding this for us! What's confusing about this video is that the last minute of it shows the first minute of the race. The next part of the race is seen in the first part of the Video. The run group is combined Ap and Bp. It looks like a standing start and Jim Adams, driving the HSC Tiger, passes the camera (located about 300 yards down the track) in 5th, mainly trailing Ap race cars. Don Sesslar, who had to start dead last in the Sports Car Forum Tiger due to not running during qualifying (caused by a "misunderstanding" between Rootes and Doanne), passes the camera just as he was moving up 3 or 4 places. Then in the next shot, about 13 cars pass before Don's Tiger pulls off the track and onto the grass. This was the race where the two quickest Tigers were "punted" out in the first lap. There's a story I've heard from 3 completely different parties that Chevy gave/rewarded the driver of the Stingray that nailed the Hollywood Sports Car Tiger a new Vette as well as a new pick-up truck in time for the next race season. Before seeing this video, I had no idea about how extensively both Tigers were damaged. At about 1:30 into the video there's a shot of Don's Tiger on the grass. It took a big hit on the right front. At about 5:40, what appears to be the HSC Tiger, passes the camera. It looks like there's so little left of the HSC passenger door after the "accident" that you can see Jim Adams lap as he drives past the camera. Buck Trippel >> >> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=AsL_W7I5OlA > > > The video also shows the HSC car.. and looks to have had a hit on the > drivers side. You see it leaving the grid at 5:12 (seems to be wearing > number 7) and then see it drive past before the SCF tiger goes off at > 5:30 then you get a ncei nice close-up drive by at 5:40! if only > there was sound. > > -- > Regards > > Michael King You are subscribed as mwood24020@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 21:17:37 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: Scott Rekate , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fun video If you like the sound of a 331 you will like this, well, except for the obvious ending. Search the site for 'The Ripper' for more 331 audio enjoyment... And yes, I love the old guy almost getting plowed then nervously making his way to safety! Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Scott Rekate To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:14:13 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fun video Just got home, so chiming in a little late here on the left coast to catch up on the emails. Thanks Sandy for the inspiring video on where not to stand when at a race rally. And did you also take a look at the one of a Factory Five Cobra. The onboard mic/camera pics up a little too much wind but the growl of its V8 has fervent resonance, gives me chills, and reminds me of my own 331 stroker. Youser! http://www.motorator.com/videos/177 Scott B382000659 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 21:23:31 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: Scott Rekate , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fun video And yet again I forgot the link.... http://www.motorator.com/videos/41 ----- Original Message ---- From: Sandy Ganz To: Scott Rekate ; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:16:31 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fun video If you like the sound of a 331 you will like this, well, except for the obvious ending. Search the site for 'The Ripper' for more 331 audio enjoyment... And yes, I love the old guy almost getting plowed then nervously making his way to safety! Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Scott Rekate To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:14:13 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fun video Just got home, so chiming in a little late here on the left coast to catch up on the emails. Thanks Sandy for the inspiring video on where not to stand when at a race rally. And did you also take a look at the one of a Factory Five Cobra. The onboard mic/camera pics up a little too much wind but the growl of its V8 has fervent resonance, gives me chills, and reminds me of my own 331 stroker. Youser! http://www.motorator.com/videos/177 Scott B382000659 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 21:32:44 2008 From: "Taylor, Matthew" To: Buck Trippel , Steven silverstein Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:32:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Don Sesslar's Tiger at the SCCA Runoffs - YouTube Yes, thank you Steve! Excellent find. And thank you Buck for the added information. Now if we could just find some footage on the drag Tigers! Matthew Subject: Re: [Tigers] Don Sesslar's Tiger at the SCCA Runoffs - YouTube I had given up hope of ever seeing videos of either of the those factory supported Tigers, much less both of them in the same race. Steve, great job finding this for us! What's confusing about this video is that the last minute of it shows the first minute of the race. The next part of the race is seen in the first part of the Video. The run group is combined Ap and Bp. It looks like a standing start and Jim Adams, driving the HSC Tiger, passes the camera (located about 300 yards down the track) in 5th, mainly trailing Ap race cars. Don Sesslar, who had to start dead last in the Sports Car Forum Tiger due to not running during qualifying (caused by a "misunderstanding" between Rootes and Doanne), passes the camera just as he was moving up 3 or 4 places. Then in the next shot, about 13 cars pass before Don's Tiger pulls off the track and onto the grass. This was the race where the two quickest Tigers were "punted" out in the first lap. There's a story I've heard from 3 completely different parties that Chevy gave/rewarded the driver of the Stingray that nailed the Hollywood Sports Car Tiger a new Vette as well as a new pick-up truck in time for the next race season. Before seeing this video, I had no idea about how extensively both Tigers were damaged. At about 1:30 into the video there's a shot of Don's Tiger on the grass. It took a big hit on the right front. At about 5:40, what appears to be the HSC Tiger, passes the camera. It looks like there's so little left of the HSC passenger door after the "accident" that you can see Jim Adams lap as he drives past the camera. Buck Trippel _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 21:34:06 2008 From: "Steve Coleman" To: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:32:39 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Climb Dance Video This has been posted before two years ago, but I love turning up the sound and enjoying, anyone ever done this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P-sAbVNde4 SC _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 22:19:12 2008 From: "michael king" To: tigerlat70@comcast.net Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:18:47 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Climb Dance Video there was an alpine that did the climb in early 60's.. either a SI or II.. it set slowest time...oh, and it also had whitewalls!! -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 04:42:50 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Randy Smith" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:42:00 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Holley Question glad to here it. its always worth setting the floats when installing a new carb or making fuel system changes as it depends on the fuel pressure being delivered so can't really be factory set. On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Randy Smith wrote: > About a month ago I posted the following question: > > /"Ok, so I'm too lazy to do the research on my own, but everyone is so > helpful, you make it too easy to ask...... I just installed an F4B and > new Holley 0-1848-1 (465 cfm). The car idles very well and runs at all > RPM's pretty strong. The only issue is when you hit the gas quickly. > Then it stumbles. If you tickle it a bit, it picks right up and goes > quickly and strongly up through the RPM's to redline. Sounds like an > accelerator pump adjustment of some sort????? Timing and advance appears > to be right on. Checked for vacuum leaks too, and everything looks OK. > Any suggestions on tweaking the carb?" > / > Just to follow-up, the car now runs super-good. I took it over to my > local drag-racer mechanic who has lots of experience with Holley's. He > told me to go buy a Holley spring kit for the secondaries and a ramp kit > for the accelerator pump, because we would likely need to try some > different combinations. As it turns out, it was even simpler than > that. The first thing he checked was the float level in both bowls. > Remember that this was a NEW Holley 1848, right out of the box. The > front level was low. The rear level was beyond low. We readjusted both > to the correct factory spec. Then he checked the actuator rod for the > accelerator pump. It was adjusted much too long to the point that it > was only giving a partial stroke during each pump. He adjusted it > shorter to give a full stroke. DONE. That was it. No need for any > additional parts. It idles, runs and accelerates fantastic now. > Another lesson learned. Double-check the factory settings too! Hope > that might be helpful to someone else out there. > > -Randy > > -- > > Randy Smith > INNER QUEST, Inc. > 34752 Charles Town Pike > Purcellville, VA 20132 > 703-478-1078 > 540-668-6699 > 540-668-6253 fax > > InnerQuestOnline.com > RSSmithIQ@cs.com > Tiger- B382000189 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 05:43:54 2008 From: "steve wick" To: "tigers" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:43:38 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust question I had to cut my exhaust out of the car to remove the rear end, for the rebuild, because the exhaust pipes looped UNDER the rear end instead of over. I was wondering if this is the way they are supposed to be or do they go over the top like every other car on the planet. Thanks for any insight in advance. Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 06:08:49 2008 From: Rollright@aol.com To: v8sunbeamtiger@hotmail.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:10:03 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Brake light switch Joey, Are you running normal or silicon brake fluid? The brake light pressure switch REALLY doesn't like silicon brake fluid. I would go through a switch every year or so when I was running silicon. With standard fluid the switches just do their job without fail. The above insight came from Rick McLeod who sells a lot of brake light switches to people running silicon. Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 06:14:59 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Sandy Ganz" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:15:04 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fun video those early renault 5 turbos were awesome cars. mid engined and 160hp! i tried to buy one earlier this year but they are worth a mint now. On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Sandy Ganz wrote: > Normally don't find videos that are really that fun to watch, but something > fun about watching these little cars go over and over, made my Monday watching > it a couple of times ;-) > > http://www.motorator.com/videos/372 > Sandy > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 06:26:17 2008 From: "Duke Samouce" To: "'steve wick'" , "'tigers'" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:26:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust question Mine are under. Over would not work, no room. Duke -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steve wick Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:44 AM To: tigers Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust question I had to cut my exhaust out of the car to remove the rear end, for the rebuild, because the exhaust pipes looped UNDER the rear end instead of over. I was wondering if this is the way they are supposed to be or do they go over the top like every other car on the planet. Thanks for any insight in advance. Steve You are subscribed as wsamouce@kc.rr.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 06:28:54 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Duke Samouce" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:29:05 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust question i think they are meant to be over but mine are also under. you can just disconnect the rear hangers and then drop the axle a little and move it back over the ends of the pipes. On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Duke Samouce wrote: > Mine are under. Over would not work, no room. > > Duke > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steve > wick > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:44 AM > To: tigers > Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust question > > I had to cut my exhaust out of the car to remove the rear end, for the > rebuild, because the exhaust pipes looped UNDER the rear end instead of > over. > I was wondering if this is the way they are supposed to be or do they go > over > the top like every other car on the planet. Thanks for any insight in > advance. > > Steve > You are subscribed as wsamouce@kc.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 07:14:25 2008 From: "michael king" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:14:36 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust question The factory exhaust on a tiger goes UNDER the rear axel... its kind of like the steering on the Tiger, nobody else does it that way.. but it seems to work somehow ;-) -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 07:48:00 2008 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net, Joey Hiykel Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:48:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Lights intermitant Joey: The other possibility to check regarding the brake lights is that the electrical connection that feeds the brake lights is secure. It is located up under the dash on the left side. Ask me how I know this. Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 08:28:06 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "michael king" , "Peter Stanisavljevich" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:27:38 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust question thanks everyone - i stand corrected! i have seen a few going over the axle though. i imagine under would give better clearance and less flow restriction though. On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 2:14 PM, michael king wrote: > The factory exhaust on a tiger goes UNDER the rear axel... its kind of > like the steering on the Tiger, nobody else does it that way.. but it > seems to work somehow ;-) > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 08:35:38 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:35:34 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust question Putting a bolt-together flange (or even a slip joint) behind the mufflers makes it pretty easy to detach the back half of the exhaust for rear axle work. Just make sure that when your car goes to the muffler shop, that you clearly explain that the exhaust is NOT to go over the axle tubes, and take your Tiger elsewhere if they insist on doing it the "usual" way. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: August 13, 2008 8:28 AM To: michael king; Peter Stanisavljevich Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust question thanks everyone - i stand corrected! i have seen a few going over the axle though. i imagine under would give better clearance and less flow restriction though. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 10:29:01 2008 From: Bill Gegg To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for Sale Moderator: Can the forum be used to sell a Tiger? Thanks Bill Gegg _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 11:26:46 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:26:40 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Racing but otherwise off topic Anyone else doing Hood to Coast next week? Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 14:12:31 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:12:03 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] K&N Air Filters, P/N's Mark, I've had both the original paper filter, and the K&N. The stock paper filter is un-obtanium, and comes folded in a rectangular c/s small box. It needs to be stretched, and attached to the other end with the sticky surface provided. Replacement oval paper filters are available. I am using the K&N replacement, which is cleanable, and re-oil able with the K&N oil. The Part Number is *E-2859,* and the "E-3710*" *seems identical. Originally from Sunbeam Specialties, who no longer stocks this part as K&N decided their sales volume wasn't large enough. It is oval, 1 1/2 inches thick, and perfectly fits the original air filter. These are not listed by application as the cars are too old, and limited quantities to list them. However, they still work well. They are searchable by part number. I recommend this as it is a good filter, and MUST be cleaned and re-oiled occasionally (going on 20K miles and still looks good) Autozone, Pep Boys, and many other dealers are on the K&N website: http://www.knfilters.com/filtercharger.htm but stocking needs a call to your dealer. The List Price is about $59. Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 14:28:27 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: tigerlat70@comcast.net Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:28:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Climb Dance Video WOW! 14,764 feet up on dirt roads, with outside turns next to unguarded cliff edge. This is "heart-in-mouth" racing. ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Coleman wrote: > This has been posted before two years ago, but I love turning up the sound > and enjoying, anyone ever done this? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P-sAbVNde4 > > > SC _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 14:39:59 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Bill Gegg Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:39:59 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for Sale Bill, At one time the Tiger Forum, on TigersUnited.com, could be used for that. We had to eliminate this feature when we changed to our new host, as it took to much time (limited available, without volunteers) - lots of work! I do believe that other Tiger web sites (TE/AE) still provide this feature. http://teae.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=9&sid=1ef6544a686a4efe82f06d53b92c9d1a Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Bill Gegg wrote: > Moderator: > Can the forum be used to sell a Tiger? > > Thanks > Bill Gegg _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 14:50:37 2008 From: "Stu Brennan" To: "'Tiger's Den'" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:50:35 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Climb Dance You can download a MPEG of Climb dance at: http://www.geocities.com/nosro/climbdance/ This might be a better looking version than the low res that you tube provides. Stu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 16:22:41 2008 From: "Stu Brennan" To: "'Tiger's Den'" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:22:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Climb Dance It looks like that link no longer works. Here's a couple more: http://www.gofastvideo.com/gallery/item/predownload/128/free-racing/vide os/climb-dance.html http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3368948773832597270 The video looks better, I think. I just tried these. Stu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 17:53:40 2008 From: "steve wick" To: "tigers" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:53:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust question I'd like to thank everyone again for the answer to my question. I'll be sure to put it back correctly. I just wanted to be sure what that was. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Owain Lloyd To: michael king ; Peter Stanisavljevich Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust question thanks everyone - i stand corrected! i have seen a few going over the axle though. i imagine under would give better clearance and less flow restriction though. On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 2:14 PM, michael king > wrote: > The factory exhaust on a tiger goes UNDER the rear axel... its kind of > like the steering on the Tiger, nobody else does it that way.. but it > seems to work somehow ;-) > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 20:35:13 2008 From: "steve wick" To: "tigers" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:35:19 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rear end colors I'm degreasing and prepping my axle housing prior to rebuild. What is the correct color to repaint it if I want to look original. Right now it looks like the center section is red oxide and the tubes/backing plates are black. Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 20:44:30 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:44:38 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Brake pads Does anyone have numbers from any manufacturers for Tiger brake pads? Wasn't there some Triumph that used the same pads? M **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 20:47:14 2008 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, CoolVT@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:47:27 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake pads If memory serves me correctly, I think it was the TR-6 that shared pads with the Tiger. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE ---- CoolVT@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone have numbers from any manufacturers for Tiger brake pads? > Wasn't there some Triumph that used the same pads? > M > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as awtiger@cox.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 21:06:20 2008 From: "Robert Palmer" To: , Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:06:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake pads Both Tr-4 and 240Z pads fit. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rpalmerbob=roadrunner.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rpalmerbob=roadrunner.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:45 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Brake pads Does anyone have numbers from any manufacturers for Tiger brake pads? Wasn't there some Triumph that used the same pads? M _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 21:15:34 2008 From: Randy Smith To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:09:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct Badge Motif If anyone is still tracking this, B382000189 has Sunbeam 260 on both fenders and the trunk with no Pentastar. Scott Hutchinson wrote: > I think the correct answer would be "nobody knows for sure when the exact changeover occured." > > This could be interesting. > > Let's have a poll. > > B382000829. > > Sunbeam 260 badge with Chrysler Pentastar. > > -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ@cs.com Tiger- B382000189 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 21:19:30 2008 From: Randy Smith To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:13:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake pads That's curious. Anybody know why? Did Datsun try to copy the Brit's so closely that they even copied the brake pad dimensions? -Randy Robert Palmer wrote: > Both Tr-4 and 240Z pads fit. > > -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ@cs.com Tiger- B382000189 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 22:49:54 2008 From: "Kirk Smith" To: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:49:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake pads I seem to remember our 1966 Datsun pickup had a lot of Morris Minor in it. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 09:06:52 2008 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: Randy Smith , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:06:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake pads Initially, the Japanese auto industry built their cars using designs licensed from the British auto industry. I believe the first was a variant of the Austin Seven. This relationship was re-established after WWII and lasted through the 1970's. A comparison of components between British and Japanese cars of the same era will show how close the Japanese industry followed the licensing agreements, many times with improvements to the components. Some will interchange with British parts, but most have a minor difference that prevents a direct swap. Metric measurements are one of the big differences that make crossover difficult. As an example, the popular Sunbeam modification of a Mazda pick up (Ford Courier) brake master cylinder swap is such a close fit because of this licensing relationship. Jere Teepen -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randy Smith Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:14 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake pads That's curious. Anybody know why? Did Datsun try to copy the Brit's so closely that they even copied the brake pad dimensions? -Randy Robert Palmer wrote: > Both Tr-4 and 240Z pads fit. > > -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ@cs.com Tiger- B382000189 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 09:36:10 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'steve wick'" , "'tigers'" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:35:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear end colors Steve Those are the correct colors. TBON states that the center section was Glyptal dipped, Glyptal is red and looks much like primer red; the rear cover, axle tubes and backing plates were black. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steve wick Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:35 PM To: tigers Subject: [Tigers] Rear end colors I'm degreasing and prepping my axle housing prior to rebuild. What is the correct color to repaint it if I want to look original. Right now it looks like the center section is red oxide and the tubes/backing plates are black. Steve You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. 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Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc. 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 PH: 949-305-5393 Cell: 949-289-3357 FX: 425-955-6268 Email: timothy.ronak@crna.akzonobel.com Personal Email: timronak@cox.net If you received this message in error please inform the sender and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 10:47:56 2008 From: Rob To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:47:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fender Badging Just for the record: Car 382000805 260 Fender Badges/No Pentstar. Hope this helps narrow the gap... Rob Rob _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 11:01:11 2008 From: "Hall Motors" To: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:01:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fender Badging Car B382000609LRXFE, original survivor: Sunbeam V8 badges on fenders and boot (don't know what a Pentstar is). Regards, Brad -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+hallmotors=cox.net@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+hallmotors=cox.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:48 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Fender Badging Just for the record: Car 382000805 260 Fender Badges/No Pentstar. Hope this helps narrow the gap... Rob Rob You are subscribed as hallmotors@cox.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 11:05:37 2008 From: tym2@comcast.net To: tigers@autox.team.net (Tiger's List) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:05:48 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Carb Issue solved A while ago I sent and e-mail to the list regarding the trouble i was having with my car (carburetor). The car didn't idle smooth and only performed well when I would really get on it. I have a "built" 302 with a Carter Competition Series carb. Finally, I took it to a guy who specializes in carburetors. He took the top of the carb off and it was filled with water - old, black water. He said it had been in there so long that it was black, and the butterflies were rusty. He bead-blasted and rebuilt the carb installing new metering rods, butterflies, and bigger jets as he said the car was running to lean. To make a long story short, the car is now running great. The obvious question? The answer is "No." I have absolutely no idea how the water got in there! Thanks again for all the support I got from the list. Helpful as always. -- Tym McDowell _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 12:13:55 2008 From: "Norman C. Miller" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:13:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fender Badging Unless I'm mistaken, B382000609 LRXFE was undressed and repainted by Roger Winslow. No guarantee the original clothing went back on. ncm At 10:01 AM 8/14/2008, Hall Motors wrote: >Car B382000609LRXFE, original survivor: > >Sunbeam V8 badges on fenders and boot (don't know what a Pentstar is). Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1611 - Release Date: 8/14/2008 6:20 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 13:15:23 2008 From: "Robert J. Wanty" To: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:15:02 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fender Badging V8 no Pentstar Bob B382001318 -----Original Message----- From: Rob [mailto:racetig@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:48 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Fender Badging Just for the record: Car 382000805 260 Fender Badges/No Pentstar. Hope this helps narrow the gap... Rob Rob You are subscribed as rjw@wengco.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 15:06:54 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Hall Motors Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:06:58 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fender Badging Brad, A "Pentastar" is the Logo for Chrysler, and was put on Tigers and Alpines after they took over operations. Some were even installed on dealer's stock, so the exact beginning is hard to pin down. Here is a "Pentastar" in the upper left corner. http://www.chryslerllc.com/en My Mk I (B9472289) does NOT have a "Pentastar", but does have the Powered by Ford - 260 badge. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Hall Motors wrote: > Car B382000609LRXFE, original survivor: > > Sunbeam V8 badges on fenders and boot (don't know what a Pentstar is). > > Regards, > Brad _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 15:17:54 2008 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:09:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fender Badging Don't know if this helps much, mine is kinda different, but the serial is so close to the original post car in question...I wish I could be more help.... B382001452 LROFE ("Alpine" scripts) 260 badge No pentastar was present when the car was acquired...but I had a series V alpine that I used for parts, and gave my pentastars off that car to a friend here in OK....who is probably listening as we speak... ;) V8 no Pentstar Bob B382001318 Subject: [Tigers] Fender Badging Just for the record: Car 382000805 260 Fender Badges/No Pentstar. Hope this helps narrow the gap... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 15:28:32 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Cullen McCann" , Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:23:28 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fender Badging The Alpine scripts and LROFE suffix is consistent with a car originally sold in continental Europe, as I understand it. It should also have had orange turn signal indicators as OEM equipment, IIRC. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann Sent: August 14, 2008 3:10 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fender Badging Don't know if this helps much, mine is kinda different, but the serial is so close to the original post car in question...I wish I could be more help.... B382001452 LROFE ("Alpine" scripts) 260 badge No pentastar was present when the car was acquired...but I had a series V alpine that I used for parts, and gave my pentastars off that car to a friend here in OK....who is probably listening as we speak... ;) V8 no Pentstar Bob B382001318 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 15:37:41 2008 From: Cullen McCann To: "Smit, Theo" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:36:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fender Badging Theo, yes that's correct, and that information has been given to me before. STOC's website elaborates on it quite a bit for the LRO cars: http://www.sunbeamtiger.co.uk/catswhiskers/CW68alpine260.htm Being the "L" designation meaning is still left hand drive....suggests ( to me) that the car was probably sold in Europe in a country where they still drive on the right side of the road, like Germany....(?) I think that is correct. Much of the trim on my car was missing when I got it, it basically had been stripped, but I'm putting the lenses back and the alpine badges and such as it would have been....based off what mr. miller told me originally when I got the car, and Andy Walker here in Oklahoma.... he gave me the initial knowledge base that I have on that configuration. It does make it harder to tell people what it is...I mean, the average guy as we've discussed doesn't know the difference between and Alpine and a Tiger, it really throws them off when I tell them it's a Tiger, but its called an Alpine, but its not the same Alpine as the 4cyl cars...etc etc...they just go blank in the face. Cullen "The Alpine scripts and LROFE suffix is consistent with a car originally sold in continental Europe, as I understand it. It should also have had orange turn signal indicators as OEM equipment, IIRC. Theo" _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 15:41:13 2008 From: "Ross" To: "'Cullen McCann'" , Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:41:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fender Badging Hi, Regarding fender badging and the Pentastar here is what I recall. At one time some years ago I read a Rootes Service Bulletin which stated (paraphrasing here) the location for placement of the "Pentastar" on the right fender centered on the panel about 1" above the door seam line. If anyone out there has a copy of this Service Bulletin I would appreciate a copy as well. Here is a link the Pentastar emblem and they are for sale at $17.95. It is anodized metal on black plastic as the original. http://www.jimsautoparts.com/exterior_chrome_trim.htm Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 15:56:39 2008 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:56:51 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Re Tigers badging Pentastar is the Chrysler logo, Small gold badge underneath the front fender badges closer to the bottom of the fender. IIRC about the size of a nickel. I don't have one so I can't go look. Steve Car B382000609LRXFE, original survivor: Sunbeam V8 badges on fenders and boot (don't know what a Pentstar is). Regards, Brad _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 16:16:13 2008 From: "Hall Motors" To: , Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:16:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Re Tigers badging Thanks Steve & Steve, I now know what a Pentastar is (I see them all the time). 382000609 does not have any. Regards, Brad -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+hallmotors=cox.net@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+hallmotors=cox.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten@ca.rr.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:57 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Re Tigers badging Pentastar is the Chrysler logo, Small gold badge underneath the front fender badges closer to the bottom of the fender. IIRC about the size of a nickel. I don't have one so I can't go look. Steve Car B382000609LRXFE, original survivor: Sunbeam V8 badges on fenders and boot (don't know what a Pentstar is). Regards, Brad You are subscribed as hallmotors@cox.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 20:02:22 2008 From: "steve wick" To: "'tigers'" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:01:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear end colors Thanks everyone, for the answers. I figure if I'm going to do it, I might as well do it right. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Fraser To: 'steve wick' ; 'tigers' Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 8:35 AM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Rear end colors Steve Those are the correct colors. TBON states that the center section was Glyptal dipped, Glyptal is red and looks much like primer red; the rear cover, axle tubes and backing plates were black. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steve wick Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:35 PM To: tigers Subject: [Tigers] Rear end colors I'm degreasing and prepping my axle housing prior to rebuild. What is the correct color to repaint it if I want to look original. Right now it looks like the center section is red oxide and the tubes/backing plates are black. Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1610 - Release Date: 8/13/2008 4:14 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 20:35:46 2008 From: drmayf To: steve wick Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:35:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear end colors You know, I use glyptal on my race engine blocks, heads and bottom of the intake manifold to help oil shedding and return to the pan. There are several things to learn about the stuff. I learned that one single drop can cover half an acre. If you dop a drop on the floor and happen to step in it, it will soon be all over the house, in the shower, toilet seat, etc. It is evil stuff. And quite frankly the glyptal I have is not the same color as what is supposed to be on the rear end. Plus, I do not know why they would put it on the outside as the stuff was made to go inside transformers and such because normal paint failed in oil filled ones. So I looked at my spare rear end and it is stock and it is not the same color. More like a read lead primer. But whatever... mayf steve wick wrote: >Thanks everyone, for the answers. I figure if I'm going to do it, I might as >well do it right. > >Steve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron Fraser > To: 'steve wick' ; >'tigers' > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 8:35 AM > Subject: RE: [Tigers] Rear end colors > > > Steve > Those are the correct colors. > > TBON states that the center section was Glyptal dipped, Glyptal is red and > looks much like primer red; the rear cover, axle tubes and backing plates > were black. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: >tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.netser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net> > [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > steve wick > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:35 PM > To: tigers > Subject: [Tigers] Rear end colors > > > I'm degreasing and prepping my axle housing prior to rebuild. What is the > correct color to repaint it if I want to look original. Right now it looks > like the center section is red oxide and the tubes/backing plates are >black. > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net >http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigersistinfo/tigers> > > http://www.team.net/archive > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1610 - Release Date: 8/13/2008 > 4:14 PM >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as drmayf@mayfco.com > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 20:58:29 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:58:27 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Panasports I just received some Panasports from Dale A. The bolt spacing is supposed to be 4.5" and these are marked 108mm. I may not be the best in metric conversion but I think 4.5" should be around 114.3mm. They slide over the wheels studs okay, but are these going to work? The studs won't be perfectly centered in the holes. I don't want something that is going to vibrate or bump...or be unsafe. Mark L. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 21:02:38 2008 From: "Jim" To: , Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:02:45 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Panasports 4 on 4-1/4 (108 mm) Alfa Romeo (exc. Alfetta) Ford - Fairmont '78-'86 - Mustang 4-bolt patterns '74-'93 - T-Bird '80-'88 - Pinto '71-'80 - Fiesta '78-'85 - Escort all (RWD and FWD) - Cortina all - Taurus, Tempo, EXP to '89 - German-built Capri I, II, III '69-'8? Mercury - Capri '71-'88 - Cougar '79-'88 - Merkur, Topaz, Lynx '80-'89 - Zephyr '78-'86 Plymouth Cricket Porsche - 924 '77-'84 Sunbeam - Tiger, Alpine '65-'70 Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jim=island.net@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jim=island.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: August 14, 2008 7:58 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Panasports I just received some Panasports from Dale A. The bolt spacing is supposed to be 4.5" and these are marked 108mm. I may not be the best in metric conversion but I think 4.5" should be around 114.3mm. They slide over the wheels studs okay, but are these going to work? The studs won't be perfectly centered in the holes. I don't want something that is going to vibrate or bump...or be unsafe. Mark L. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00 030000000007 ) You are subscribed as jim@island.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 21:04:41 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: jim@island.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:04:49 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Panasports Oh, so the Tiger is 4.25" and not 4.5" Whew! It that's the case they are right on. Thanks to those who answered. Mark **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 21:07:12 2008 From: "Bob Hokanson" To: "Tigers" , Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:07:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Panasports According to my calculations 4.25 in (Stock Tiger bolt circle dia) converts to 107.950 mm... pretty close Bob H ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 7:58 PM Subject: [Tigers] Panasports >I just received some Panasports from Dale A. The bolt spacing is supposed > to be 4.5" and these are marked 108mm. I may not be the best in metric > conversion but I think 4.5" should be around 114.3mm. They slide over > the wheels > studs okay, but are these going to work? The studs won't be perfectly > centered > in the holes. I don't want something that is going to vibrate or > bump...or > be unsafe. > Mark L. > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 > ) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tgrrr@peoplepc.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 21:09:18 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tgrrr@peoplepc.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:09:26 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Panasports Definitely close enough. For some reason I was thinking the Tiger spacing was 4.5" and not the 4.25" that it actually is. My error. M **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 21:12:07 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Tigers" , Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:11:11 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Panasports 4 on 108 is equivalent to 4 on 4 1/4" so far as wheel mounting is concerned. The one you have to watch for is that older Mazda wheels are 4 on 110 and that is close enough that you can install the wheels on Tiger or Alpine hubs, but tightening the lug nuts will bend things. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Hokanson Sent: August 14, 2008 9:07 PM To: Tigers; CoolVT@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Panasports According to my calculations 4.25 in (Stock Tiger bolt circle dia) converts to 107.950 mm... pretty close Bob H ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 7:58 PM Subject: [Tigers] Panasports >I just received some Panasports from Dale A. The bolt spacing is supposed > to be 4.5" and these are marked 108mm. I may not be the best in metric > conversion but I think 4.5" should be around 114.3mm. They slide over > the wheels > studs okay, but are these going to work? The studs won't be perfectly > centered > in the holes. I don't want something that is going to vibrate or > bump...or > be unsafe. > Mark L. > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aola ut00030000000007 > ) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tgrrr@peoplepc.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as theo.smit@dynastream.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 07:42:24 2008 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net, CoolVT@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:41:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Panasports Mark: The bolt circle diameter on a Tiger is 4 1/4 inches, not 4 1/2. That makes the metric equivalent, according to my calculation, 107.95 mm. As the engineers say, "Close enough for all practical purposes". I also have a set of Panasports on my Tiger that I got from Dale and they fit perfectly. Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE V8 badges and a pentastar _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 08:30:08 2008 From: tym2@comcast.net To: Tod Brown , tigers@autox.team.net, CoolVT@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:30:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Panasports Mine do too. And, they look grrrrreat! -- Tym McDowell -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Tod Brown > Mark: > The bolt circle diameter on a Tiger is 4 1/4 inches, not 4 1/2. That > makes the metric equivalent, according to my > calculation, 107.95 mm. As the engineers say, "Close enough for all > practical purposes". I also have a set of > Panasports on my Tiger that I got from Dale and they fit perfectly. > Cheers, > Tod > B382002384LRXFE > V8 badges and a pentastar > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tym2@comcast.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 12:17:33 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: CoolVT@aol.com, Tiger's Den Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:17:11 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers] Panasports Mark, 108 mm converts to 4.2519685 inches. 4.5 inches is exactly 114.3 mm. I don't exactly know what "bolt spacing" is. I am much more used to "bolt circle" as describing the diameter of the circle through the center of the bolt holes/studs. HOWEVER, Panasport describes the bolt circle as 108 mm.! HOWEVER, "offset" is really an important value to assure that the relation ship between the rear wheel mounting surface differs from the tire width center. I have heard that on the 14" wheel, the fronts should be 22 mm offset, and the rears 17mm offset - or expect some body rubbing on some wheel well surface. http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-wheel8.asp The Panasport wheels on Jerry Vanderpool's beautiful red Tiger are: 16 inch wheel diameter, and they are available in 15 inch. http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/vanderpool_j/default.asp There are a lot of comments on Panasport wheels in the Techtips section, but can be directly found in the Search Engine (Magnifying Glass on every page at the top header). "Panasport" would be a good search key. Steve __ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com CoolVT@aol.com wrote: > I just received some Panasports from Dale A. The bolt spacing is supposed > to be 4.5" and these are marked 108mm. I may not be the best in metric > conversion but I think 4.5" should be around 114.3mm. They slide over the wheels > studs okay, but are these going to work? The studs won't be perfectly centered > in the holes. I don't want something that is going to vibrate or bump...or > be unsafe. > Mark L. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 14:26:05 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:24:35 EDT Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) I figured sooner or later with all the "clone" and "tribute" cars that the Tiger would be coming up sometime. I can hear it now, "Hey, is that a real Tiger?" Mark _http://tuscaloosa.craigslist.org/cto/793203099.html_ (http://tuscaloosa.craigslist.org/cto/793203099.html) **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 14:39:26 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: CoolVT@aol.com, Tiger's Den Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:39:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) Mark, What the heck is a "/*tiger # 395 engine and drive train*/"? And it's a 289 V8? Maybe a Mk II? Anyway, it is nice to see that "Original" Tigers are selling for $60,00.00, and he only wants $20,000.00 for an Alger! Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com CoolVT@aol.com wrote: > I figured sooner or later with all the "clone" and "tribute" cars that the > Tiger would be coming up sometime. I can hear it now, "Hey, is that a real > Tiger?" > Mark _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 14:43:18 2008 From: Scott Rekate To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:43:22 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigerbits Went to look at a bookmark I had for tigerbits.org but the page came up empty. Does anyone know what happened to it? Scott _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 15:33:32 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Scott Rekate" Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:33:09 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigerbits apologies. its back now. On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Scott Rekate wrote: > Went to look at a bookmark I had for tigerbits.org but the page came > up empty. Does anyone know what happened to it? > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 16 09:04:48 2008 From: Peter Laurinaitis To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] brake lights question hey guys - i am out of town this weekend with my tiger, and dont have my shop manual...and this is a silly question, but my brake lights (both) have stopped working, but the tail lights still work. i am guessing it probably is the switch, but where is the switch located? is it a mechanical switch on the pedal, or a hydraulic switch in the brake lines somewhere? what is it that typically fails? also, is there the shop manual somewhere online, maybe the tigersunited site somewhere i couldnt find? thks peter _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 16 09:17:47 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: peter.laurinaitis.wg02@wharton.upenn.edu, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:14:05 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] brake lights question Peter, If it's stock, it's a hydraulic switch located at the brake line junction just under the generator. It will have a wire connected to it with a spade terminal. M **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 16 10:18:45 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:18:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] brake lights question Peter This is a hydraulic switch on a 5 way "T" fitting with a green and green/ purple wire; located in the engine bay, front right. Generally the switch goes bad but you need to check that with a volt/ ohm meter. Check for good ground and check the wire connectors at the left kick panel. Since you have tail lights the ground is probably good but it is one of those things you should always check. Also check to make sure the brake light filaments have not blown. For some reason silicon brake fluid does not agree with these switches and they will fail at least once a year. These switches have I believe it's 3/8" x24 thread; not the pipe thread type that most auto stores carry. I installed a mechanical switch on the brake pedal to eliminate that problem and it was necessary when I installed cruise control. The mechanical switch gives a quicker more positive connection to the brake lights; not the sometimes vague or no brake light reaction to light brake pressure. A safety issue as I see it. Yes the Shop manual is online. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsm1.asp Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter Laurinaitis Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:05 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] brake lights question hey guys - i am out of town this weekend with my tiger, and dont have my shop manual...and this is a silly question, but my brake lights (both) have stopped working, but the tail lights still work. i am guessing it probably is the switch, but where is the switch located? is it a mechanical switch on the pedal, or a hydraulic switch in the brake lines somewhere? what is it that typically fails? also, is there the shop manual somewhere online, maybe the tigersunited site somewhere i couldnt find? thks peter You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1614 - Release Date: 8/15/2008 5:29 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 16 11:22:59 2008 From: "steve wick" To: Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:23:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear end colors I've finished bead blasting the rear end and am starting to paint. The only reason I can see they may have used glyptal is because the casting for the center section is so rough. Maybe they wanted to seal all the pits and crevices so dirt wouldn't accumulate. Plus, why would they have a small hole drilled in an axle tube for a breather and not put a fitting on it for a hose to go to a frame rail or something? Steve (scratching head over British engineering) ----- Original Message ----- From: drmayf To: steve wick Cc: 'tigers' Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear end colors And quite frankly the glyptal I have is not the same color as what is supposed to be on the rear end. Plus, I do not know why they would put it on the outside as the stuff was made to go inside transformers and such because normal paint failed in oil filled ones. So I looked at my spare rear end and it is stock and it is not the same color. More like a read lead primer. But whatever... mayf _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 16 12:07:09 2008 From: "Dave Munroe" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:02:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ignition Timing a Stroker 289 Hi guys; Is there a formula, or some other way to determine the correct ignition timing for a Stroked 289? Mine is now a 331, and it seems to me the timing should be different from stock to optimize performance. Thanks for any insight you can provide... Dave Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 16 15:49:50 2008 From: "Duke Samouce" To: Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:49:21 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Just received Bob Mannel's Book What a great book. I highly recommend it. I am happy to learn that my 260 heads have the larger 289 valves. I believe all of the Tiger 260's should being that they are all 1964 engines. Question - Does anyone have experience installing a C3OZ-6250-C (289 HiPo Mechanical) or C9OZ-6250-C (289 HiPo Hydraulic) cam in their 260? I have the F4B manifold and for barrel, seems that one of these cams would work great with my engine and get me into the 200 HP range. I do need to check what cam is currently in the engine first though. Any input would be great. Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 16 18:27:38 2008 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: drmayf@mayfco.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:27:35 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headed out in the morning... Go get um TIGER. In a message dated 8/16/2008 5:12:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, drmayf@mayfco.com writes: Well, folk, the wife and I will be headed out bright and early (yeah, right) at approximaely 4 am headed to the great white salt dyno. I hope we have everything, and evertyhing is ready to go. We will not monitor the drmayf@mayfco.com email but will check my yahoo account daily, hopefully...that is drmayf@yahoo.com should any of you feel the need to get in touch with me. mayf You are subscribed as aaaglasss@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 17 09:47:34 2008 From: "Bob Dixon" To: Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:47:04 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] LAT hood for sale?? Does anyone have a LAT hood they would like to sell me? My Tiger is a week or so from primer. Thanks, Bob _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 17 20:06:40 2008 From: dylanberry@sbcglobal.net To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 02:04:37 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 340 Dale A has carbon fiber repos for sale Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: tigers-request@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:00:02 To: Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 340 Send Tigers mailing list submissions to tigers@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tigers-request@autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at tigers-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 17 23:39:35 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Monterey Auctions Just pulled back in from Monterey, and saw a Tiger that didn't sell at auction. I think the Reserve was 75K, and it got into the low 60's. I'm a bit fuzzy as It's late, I have some pics of it as well. Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 18 03:01:22 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: dylanberry@sbcglobal.net Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:01:26 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 340 the thread has been lost, repros of what? On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 3:04 AM, wrote: > Dale A has carbon fiber repos for sale > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-request@autox.team.net > > Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:00:02 > To: > Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 340 > > > Send Tigers mailing list submissions to > tigers@autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tigers-request@autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tigers-owner@autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 18 07:10:30 2008 From: Cullen McCann To: "owain.lloyd@gmail.com" , Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:08:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 340 M. Cullen McCann, Assoc. AIA Project Manager T Direct 405 470 4912 Owain, I assumed it was in response to the search for a LAT hood, but the subject line was totally different....plus I don't see a carbon fiber Lat Hood on Dale's website...if there are CF LAT hoods available, somebody please tell me how much they cost...I have an original Tiger Technology Lat hood, never installed for my car someday, ( not for sale) but would be curious to know what a Carbon Hood costs in comparison... Cullen 1452 LROFE Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 340 the thread has been lost, repros of what? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 18 07:49:10 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Cullen McCann" , , Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:49:16 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 340 The guy who makes carbon fiber LAT hoods is Kent Wilcox. He's in the LA area but I forget exactly where. Cost is pretty reasonable (although I forget exactly how much - in the $600- $700 range I think) because his mold and the hoods that come out of it are excellent. Only problem is that he's very busy and I don't think you can get a hood from him in less than a couple of months. That all sounded pretty nebulous when I re-read it, so I Googled and found a 10 year old location and phone number: Kent works (worked) for Aerodyne in Santee. His work number is (was) 619-448-6700, home number (619) 449-8764. Cheers, Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann Sent: August 18, 2008 7:09 AM To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com; dylanberry@sbcglobal.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 340 M. Cullen McCann, Assoc. AIA Project Manager T Direct 405 470 4912 Owain, I assumed it was in response to the search for a LAT hood, but the subject line was totally different....plus I don't see a carbon fiber Lat Hood on Dale's website...if there are CF LAT hoods available, somebody please tell me how much they cost...I have an original Tiger Technology Lat hood, never installed for my car someday, ( not for sale) but would be curious to know what a Carbon Hood costs in comparison... Cullen 1452 LROFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 18 12:20:24 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Sandy Ganz Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:20:31 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Monterey Auctions Sandy, & Tigers, The Russo and Steele auction lists a 1965 Tiger (VIN: B9470741) and can be seen at their site: Tiger at Russo and Steele The R&M Monterey Auction does not list a Sunbeam, but the auction entries and prices can be seen at: RM Monterey Auction Results Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Sandy Ganz wrote: > Just pulled back in from Monterey, and saw a Tiger that didn't sell at auction. I think the Reserve was 75K, and it got into the low 60's. I'm a bit fuzzy as It's late, I have some pics of it as well. > Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 18 13:10:40 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com, sganz@pacbell.net Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:10:15 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Monterey Auctions http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1965_sunbeam_tiger__coupe/39-1012. html Wow, there aren't many cars in that Russo group that would go under $50,000. I would think the majority should be over $100,000. It will be interesting to see what the Tiger brings in that company. Any guesses? One strange thing, and I definitely don't want to start us picking this thing apart, but there appears to my eyes to be two different kinds of rivets holding on the vin plate. Someone on the list said that they had done a pretty complete study of rivets. What's the answer on that one? M **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 18 13:26:25 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: CoolVT@aol.com, SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Monterey Auctions The tiger did not sell. It was still available the next day. Read the description, 289, full sized Ford rear, etc. I didn't have a lot of time to poke around, a few pics are up, not much better then what is on the Russo and Steele site. This is the link to the FLog with the picture link. I think the Tiger pics are in the Monterey Historics Section. Might be a bit out of order. The Bid ended up at 67.5k with a 75k Reserve. http://gtsparkplugs.com/blog/2008/08/13/pebble-beach-monterey-historics-and-t he-italiano-concorso/ Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "CoolVT@aol.com" To: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com; sganz@pacbell.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:10:15 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Monterey Auctions http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1965_sunbeam_tiger__coupe/39-1012 .html Wow, there aren't many cars in that Russo group that would go under $50,000. I would think the majority should be over $100,000. It will be interesting to see what the Tiger brings in that company. Any guesses? One strange thing, and I definitely don't want to start us picking this thing apart, but there appears to my eyes to be two different kinds of rivets holding on the vin plate. Someone on the list said that they had done a pretty complete study of rivets. What's the answer on that one? M ________________________________ Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 18 13:41:26 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: sganz@pacbell.net, SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:41:23 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Monterey Auctions 67.5 seems like a pretty good price for that considering that it's not a concours resoration. I guess someone has their expectations up. Just think, 5 yrs. from now we'll be saying how cheap that 75K reserve was;-) Mark **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 18 20:58:38 2008 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:58:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Part No. for Ballast Resistor I know this was covered recently, but I can't find it. Does anyone have the part number for the ballast resistor and a good source as well? TIA. Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 18 21:09:02 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:07:52 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer About 10 yrs. back I had my speedo repaired, but it never worked correctly because the transmission drive gear was shot. Gears are now new, cable good and odometer works fine, but the speedo needle will go up to around 30 mph and not go any higher. Now is this problem something that I could correct at home or should I send it out to an expert? Mark **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 18 23:40:26 2008 From: "Peter Laurinaitis" To: "Tod Brown" , Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:40:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Part No. for Ballast Resistor i think napaonline.com Item: Ignition Coil Resistor Product Number: ECHICR10 Price: 9.49 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Brown" To: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:58 PM Subject: [Tigers] Part No. for Ballast Resistor > I know this was covered recently, but I can't find it. > Does anyone have the part number for the ballast resistor and a good > source as well? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 11:47:52 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Tod Brown Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:48:01 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Part No. for Ballast Resistor Tod, The Rootes Publication of the Tiger Parts List (Section WF) specifies *Ford B7A-12250-A*. The complete Electrical System portion can be found in this *Electrical Equipment* Parts List link. The *entire* document is found at The Rootes Parts List . Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Tod Brown wrote: > I know this was covered recently, but I can't find it. > Does anyone have the part number for the ballast resistor and a good > source as well? > TIA. > Tod > B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 12:59:45 2008 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:59:57 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] A Tiger at last I wrote this up yesterday morning but it seems to have been lost in cyberspace. After searching for a car for months I now have one. At least I will when the truck delivers it next week. I purchased #B9473720 LROFE from Carroll Eeds last Sunday. I would like to say a big thanks to Andy Walker who put Carroll and I in touch. Also to Patrick King and Mike Laurence who looked at pictures to help advise me and most of all to Norm Miller who has been patient and willing to take time to share info on every car I asked him about. This car being an LRO car was most certainly originally sold in Europe carrying Alpine 260 badges and Alpine script. I've said a few times that my interest is in staying completely stock. It has the Alpine 260 badges. We'll see how serious I am. It will be hard to remove the Tiger script on it now and replace with Alpine but I think I can do it. How ironic after allthe effort to learn about and avoid Algers to finally end up with a factory built Tiger that properly should wear Alpine script. I hope I can manage to do as well with the car as Carroll has for the 34 years he's owned it. Heres a couple pictures..... http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/LT%20FRN%20QRTR2.jpg http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/INT%20THU%20DOOR.jpg http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/ENGINE%20FRM%20RT.jpg http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/ALPINE%20260%20BADGE.jpg Steve Ralsten _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 13:10:08 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:10:20 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] A Tiger at last congratulations! its looks like a lovely example. On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:59 PM, wrote: > I wrote this up yesterday morning but it seems to have been lost in cyberspace. > > After searching for a car for months I now have one. At least I will when the truck delivers it next week. I purchased #B9473720 LROFE from Carroll Eeds last Sunday. I would like to say a big thanks to Andy Walker who put Carroll and I in touch. Also to Patrick King and Mike Laurence who looked at pictures to help advise me and most of all to Norm Miller who has been patient and willing to take time to share info on every car I asked him about. > > This car being an LRO car was most certainly originally sold in Europe carrying Alpine 260 badges and Alpine script. I've said a few times that my interest is in staying completely stock. It has the Alpine 260 badges. We'll see how serious I am. It will be hard to remove the Tiger script on it now and replace with Alpine but I think I can do it. > > How ironic after allthe effort to learn about and avoid Algers to finally end up with a factory built Tiger that properly should wear Alpine script. > > I hope I can manage to do as well with the car as Carroll has for the 34 years he's owned it. Heres a couple pictures..... > > http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/LT%20FRN%20QRTR2.jpg > > http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/INT%20THU%20DOOR.jpg > > http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/ENGINE%20FRM%20RT.jpg > > http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/ALPINE%20260%20BADGE.jpg > > Steve Ralsten > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 13:46:37 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: sralsten@ca.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:46:24 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] A Tiger at last Steve, Congratulations. That is a great looking car! Mark L **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 14:16:14 2008 From: "Bob Hokanson" To: "Tigers" Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:16:19 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Column Drop Listers, Am I correct in recalling that there were 2 different sets of steering column support brackets? That a production change provided a shorter under-dash column support that raised the upper steering column and provided more "lap room" under the wheel? Question is: When did that change take place? Mk 1A? Mk II? Was there a similar change in the Alpine? Bob H _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 14:19:16 2008 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:19:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] A Tiger at last Hey, Steve: Well, what can I say other than congratulations! I must say that it's a bittersweet experience for me, as I know it will be for Carroll the first time he walks out to his garage and the Tiger is not there. Carroll's Tiger (ahem..."your" Tiger) was the car that always made me strive for perfection on my own Tiger. I met Carroll for the first time at a car show in October of '78 and that was my first exposure to his car. I was bitten and smitten...lock, stock and barrel...I had to have a Tiger!! I can't tell you how many times I've uttered those famous words, "Carroll, make sure you call me first if you ever want to sell your Tiger." It's just too bad for me that he waited as long as he did to decide to part with it. I know, however, that he got a lot of fun out of it and has some really great memories. I know I'll always have warm feelings for "ol' Red." Congrats again! Please take care of her and don't hesitate to let me know if I can ever do anything for you. Best of luck, Andy ---- sralsten@ca.rr.com wrote: > I wrote this up yesterday morning but it seems to have been lost in cyberspace. > > After searching for a car for months I now have one. At least I will when the truck delivers it next week. I purchased #B9473720 LROFE from Carroll Eeds last Sunday. I would like to say a big thanks to Andy Walker who put Carroll and I in touch. Also to Patrick King and Mike Laurence who looked at pictures to help advise me and most of all to Norm Miller who has been patient and willing to take time to share info on every car I asked him about. > > This car being an LRO car was most certainly originally sold in Europe carrying Alpine 260 badges and Alpine script. I've said a few times that my interest is in staying completely stock. It has the Alpine 260 badges. We'll see how serious I am. It will be hard to remove the Tiger script on it now and replace with Alpine but I think I can do it. > > How ironic after allthe effort to learn about and avoid Algers to finally end up with a factory built Tiger that properly should wear Alpine script. > > I hope I can manage to do as well with the car as Carroll has for the 34 years he's owned it. Heres a couple pictures..... > > http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/LT%20FRN%20QRTR2.jpg > > http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/INT%20THU%20DOOR.jpg > > http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/ENGINE%20FRM%20RT.jpg > > http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/ALPINE%20260%20BADGE.jpg > > Steve Ralsten > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as awtiger@cox.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 14:24:17 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] A Tiger at last Stve- Im curious about the Mk1A waist rolls on the doors- I thought those came on only 1a model cars. Perhaps since it is an lro car or a late Mk1 it came from the factory w/ the waist rolls. Since you want to stay stock and orginal, I thought I would point that out. Does anyone have information as to when waist rolls where added. I dont remember ever seeing a Mk1 with them - not that that means that the factory didnt install them on some Mk1 cars. I would think you to be very lucky indeed to have foubnd a car as nice as this one appers with the vin number making it even more special. CONGRATULATIONS and welcome to being addicted to the Sunbeam family. TonytheTiger --- On Tue, 8/19/08, sralsten@ca.rr.com wrote: _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 14:38:24 2008 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:36:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] A Tiger at last Congrats Steve. I've seen this car in person, and it is a fantastic example indeed...good choice! Cullen _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 15:21:53 2008 From: drmoonstone@aol.com To: cmccann@lwpb.com, owain.lloyd@gmail.com, dylanberry@sbcglobal.net Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:20:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 340 Talked with Dale last week and he indicated that the CF hood would be over $1200.00/$1400.00 and he still wanted to make some improvements to the equipment. Moonstone -----Original Message----- From: Cullen McCann To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com ; dylanberry@sbcglobal.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 6:08 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 340 M. Cullen McCann, Assoc. AIA Project Manager T Direct 405 470 4912 Owain, I assumed it was in response to the search for a LAT hood, but the subject line was totally different....plus I don't see a carbon fiber Lat Hood on Dale's website...if there are CF LAT hoods available, somebody please tell me how much they cost...I have an original Tiger Technology Lat hood, never installed for my car someday, ( not for sale) but would be curious to know what a Carbon Hood costs in comparison... Cullen 1452 LROFE Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 340 the thread has been lost, repros of what? You are subscribed as drmoonstone@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 15:32:59 2008 From: Cullen McCann To: "drmoonstone@aol.com" , "owain.lloyd@gmail.com" Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:31:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 340 Oh, well that's not bad, think I'll take 3 just to be safe... ;) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 340 Talked with Dale last week and he indicated that the CF hood would be over $1200.00/$1400.00 and he still wanted to make some improvements to the equipment. Moonstone _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 16:33:40 2008 From: "Will Seay" To: , Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:33:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] A Tiger at last Congratulations! Looks like a very nice car. - Will B382001570LRXFE ____________________________ Will Seay wseay@embarqmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: [Tigers] A Tiger at last I wrote this up yesterday morning but it seems to have been lost in cyberspace. After searching for a car for months I now have one. At least I will when the truck delivers it next week. I purchased #B9473720 LROFE from Carroll Eeds last Sunday. I would like to say a big thanks to Andy Walker who put Carroll and I in touch. Also to Patrick King and Mike Laurence who looked at pictures to help advise me and most of all to Norm Miller who has been patient and willing to take time to share info on every car I asked him about. This car being an LRO car was most certainly originally sold in Europe carrying Alpine 260 badges and Alpine script. I've said a few times that my interest is in staying completely stock. It has the Alpine 260 badges. We'll see how serious I am. It will be hard to remove the Tiger script on it now and replace with Alpine but I think I can do it. How ironic after allthe effort to learn about and avoid Algers to finally end up with a factory built Tiger that properly should wear Alpine script. I hope I can manage to do as well with the car as Carroll has for the 34 years he's owned it. Heres a couple pictures..... http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/LT%20FRN%20QRTR2.jpg http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/INT%20THU%20DOOR.jpg http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/ENGINE%20FRM%20RT.jpg http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/ALPINE%20260%20BADGE.jpg Steve Ralsten You are subscribed as wseay@embarqmail.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 17:26:15 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:25:42 EDT Subject: [Tigers] 2nd try at this About 10 yrs. back I had my speedo repaired, but it never worked correctly because the transmission drive gear was shot. Gears are now new, cable good and odometer works fine, but the speedo needle will go up to around 30 mph and not go any higher. Now is this problem something that I could correct at home or should I send it out to an expert? Mark **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 18:00:46 2008 From: Amberly Chamberlain To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] rear leaf springs Gent's Anyone have a set of newer leaf springs for sale? Just wanted to ask the list before I went to Dale or Tiger engineering to decide the right leaf springs for my tiger. Any suggestions are appreciated. Cheers, frank _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 18:15:38 2008 From: "michael king" To: "Tigers Den" Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:14:07 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] ebay tiger scams Ok, i liek most of us am addicted to ebay.. great place to find those parts we need and pay way to much for them. I have noticed a trend lately of people who put parts on ebay claiming they are "correct tiger" parts when in fact they are alpine parts. I email these people and they generally reposnd in a rather unacceptable manner after being informed why the part is not correct. They do not change their listing, or even acknowledge that there is an issue. here are some examples: Item Title: Early Sunbeam Tiger Clock Item Number: 140256650054 Item URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140256650054 This is infact a S3/IV alpine clock.. it cas the incorect part numbers on the face and wrong earthing.. after telling the seller this.. i got this response: *The clock I'm selling is correct for Tiger, AFTER you replace the movement with Quartz Movement.The housing and numbers are correct for tiger the only difference is the wording at the top. The previous wording at the top means nothing.Because most original clocks dont work.When you send in this clock to be redone, the new silk screening with read for neg earth at the top.* Great so after you replace everything and rebuild it the clock will look like a tiger clock.. not to mention that tiger clocks are not a quartz movement.. and it would still not be one. Also why not tell everyone the above in the listing? Item Title: SUNBEAM ALPINE/TIGER SPEEDOMETER Item Number: 150285090807 Item URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150285090807 This is an alpine speedo, i told the seller that the alpine speedo heads are different to a tigers and that they have a different cabel, the response i got: *But you could change the cable and make it work, I have a Tiger!* Ok.. sure.. then you have a 120mph speedo and have spent a bucket making it work in a tiger.. why not put this in the lising? People need to be careful.. and sellers should be a little more open and honest. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 18:29:46 2008 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: tgrrr@peoplepc.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:29:10 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Column Drop The raised steering column was a MK II featured change. Dave In a message dated 8/19/2008 3:16:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tgrrr@peoplepc.com writes: Listers, Am I correct in recalling that there were 2 different sets of steering column support brackets? That a production change provided a shorter under-dash column support that raised the upper steering column and provided more "lap room" under the wheel? Question is: When did that change take place? Mk 1A? Mk II? Was there a similar change in the Alpine? Bob H You are subscribed as djoh797014@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 18:33:01 2008 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: achd73@yahoo.com, tigers@autox.team.net, sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:32:20 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] A Tiger at last According to the BON, GT door treatments be stock with B9473100 on. Dave In a message dated 8/19/2008 3:25:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, achd73@yahoo.com writes: Stve- Im curious about the Mk1A waist rolls on the doors- I thought those came on only 1a model cars. Perhaps since it is an lro car or a late Mk1 it came from the factory w/ the waist rolls. Since you want to stay stock and orginal, I thought I would point that out. Does anyone have information as to when waist rolls where added. I dont remember ever seeing a Mk1 with them - not that that means that the factory didnt install them on some Mk1 cars. I would think you to be very lucky indeed to have foubnd a car as nice as this one appers with the vin number making it even more special. CONGRATULATIONS and welcome to being addicted to the Sunbeam family. TonytheTiger --- On Tue, 8/19/08, sralsten@ca.rr.com wrote: You are subscribed as djoh797014@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 20:01:43 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Amberly Chamberlain Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:01:54 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] rear leaf springs Frank, Be careful, here. I have seen "replacement" springs that are not the correct number, thickness, spring rate, or curve of the originals. While you may like dragging your tailpipe, or looking like your rear-end has been "jacked-up", you MAY NOT! ;-) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Amberly Chamberlain wrote: > Gent's > > Anyone have a set of newer leaf springs for sale? Just wanted to ask the list before I went to Dale or Tiger engineering to decide the right leaf springs for my tiger. Any suggestions are appreciated. > > > Cheers, > > frank _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 21:27:28 2008 From: "Bob Dixon" To: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:27:18 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] LAT hood for sale?? Thanks for all the responses. I ordered one from Dale (no, not carbon fiber). -Bob _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 22:14:50 2008 From: "Buck Trippel" To: , , , Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:14:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 340 And I talked to Dale yesterday and he quoted CF at $1200 with $700 the price for fiberglass. Kent is still at $500 for fiberglass. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 340 > Talked with Dale last week and he indicated that the CF hood would be over > $1200.00/$1400.00 and he still wanted to make some improvements to the > equipment. > > Moonstone > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cullen McCann > To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com ; > dylanberry@sbcglobal.net > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 6:08 am > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 340 > > > > M. Cullen McCann, Assoc. AIA > Project Manager > > T Direct 405 470 4912 > > > Owain, > > I assumed it was in response to the search for a LAT hood, but the subject > line was totally different....plus I don't see a carbon fiber Lat Hood on > Dale's website...if there are CF LAT hoods available, somebody please tell > me > how much they cost...I have an original Tiger Technology Lat hood, never > installed for my car someday, ( not for sale) but would be curious to know > what a Carbon Hood costs in comparison... > > Cullen > 1452 LROFE > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 340 > > the thread has been lost, > repros of what? > You are subscribed as drmoonstone@aol.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bucktrippel@verizon.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 22:18:10 2008 From: "michael king" To: "Buck Trippel" Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:18:22 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 340 Ok, So are dales a good fit.. do they use stock mounting hardware? On 20/08/2008, Buck Trippel wrote: > > And I talked to Dale yesterday and he quoted CF at $1200 with $700 the > price > for fiberglass. Kent is still at $500 for fiberglass. > > Buck Trippel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; ; > > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 340 > > > > Talked with Dale last week and he indicated that the CF hood would be > over > > $1200.00/$1400.00 and he still wanted to make some improvements to the > > equipment. > > > > Moonstone > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cullen McCann > > To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com ; > > dylanberry@sbcglobal.net > > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > > Sent: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 6:08 am > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 340 > > > > > > > > M. Cullen McCann, Assoc. AIA > > Project Manager > > > > T Direct 405 470 4912 > > > > > > Owain, > > > > I assumed it was in response to the search for a LAT hood, but the > subject > > line was totally different....plus I don't see a carbon fiber Lat Hood on > > Dale's website...if there are CF LAT hoods available, somebody please > tell > > me > > how much they cost...I have an original Tiger Technology Lat hood, never > > installed for my car someday, ( not for sale) but would be curious to > know > > what a Carbon Hood costs in comparison... > > > > Cullen > > 1452 LROFE > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 340 > > > > the thread has been lost, > > repros of what? > > You are subscribed as drmoonstone@aol.com > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as bucktrippel@verizon.net > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as michael.s.king@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 22:55:40 2008 From: "Jim & Carolyn Burruss" To: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:55:35 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix Ignition Will the Pertronix electronic ignition drive the stock Tiger tach? Many thanks. Jim Burruss _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 20 00:43:12 2008 From: "Brits'n'Pieces \(Eric Frenken\)" To: , Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:42:58 +0200 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2nd try at this Hi Mark, have you ever tried 2nd gear? Sorry, couldn't resist. Best regards Eric Heinsberg/Germany -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+lists=brits-n-pieces.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+lists=brits-n-pieces.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 1:26 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] 2nd try at this About 10 yrs. back I had my speedo repaired, but it never worked correctly because the transmission drive gear was shot. Gears are now new, cable good and odometer works fine, but the speedo needle will go up to around 30 mph and not go any higher. Now is this problem something that I could correct at home or should I send it out to an expert? Mark _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 20 00:51:57 2008 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: , Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:52:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pertronix Ignition I have an ignitor II and it seems to work just fine. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. 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If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 20 03:21:10 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "michael king" Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:19:42 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay tiger scams nothing changes. i've bought a lot of tiger stuff on ebay (many because its easy) and over half of it i've not used as its been either incorrect, too bad condition or broken. unfortunately it remains a large source of many parts and you sometimes get some great bits like my NOS chrome MKII headlight rims in original boxes which were advertised as alpine and not tiger (the last few series V's also had them). On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 1:14 AM, michael king wrote: > Ok, > > i liek most of us am addicted to ebay.. great place to find those parts we > need and pay way to much for them. I have noticed a trend lately of people > who put parts on ebay claiming they are "correct tiger" parts when in fact > they are alpine parts. I email these people and they generally reposnd in a > rather unacceptable manner after being informed why the part is not correct. > They do not change their listing, or even acknowledge that there is an > issue. > > here are some examples: > > Item Title: Early Sunbeam Tiger Clock > Item Number: 140256650054 > Item URL: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140256650054 > > This is infact a S3/IV alpine clock.. it cas the incorect part numbers on > the face and wrong earthing.. after telling the seller this.. i got this > response: > > *The clock I'm selling is correct for Tiger, AFTER you replace the movement > with Quartz Movement.The housing and numbers are correct for tiger the only > difference is the wording at the top. The previous wording at the top means > nothing.Because most original clocks dont work.When you send in this clock > to be redone, the new silk screening with read for neg earth at the top.* > > Great so after you replace everything and rebuild it the clock will look > like a tiger clock.. not to mention that tiger clocks are not a quartz > movement.. and it would still not be one. Also why not tell everyone the > above in the listing? > > > Item Title: > > SUNBEAM ALPINE/TIGER SPEEDOMETER > > Item Number: > > 150285090807 > > Item URL: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150285090807 > > This is an alpine speedo, i told the seller that the alpine speedo heads > are different to a tigers and that they have a different cabel, the response > i got: > > *But you could change the cable and make it work, I have a Tiger!* > > Ok.. sure.. then you have a 120mph speedo and have spent a bucket making it > work in a tiger.. why not put this in the lising? > > People need to be careful.. and sellers should be a little more open and > honest. > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 20 03:33:18 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Tigers Den" Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:33:13 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] repro parts there are a few items that are particularly hard to find for tigers and i'm considering looking into getting some made in small quantities. i was hoping to both gauge a level of interest from the group and gather suggestions for such parts. 1) the deep GT quarter window bases. should be easy to produce and its very hard to find intact ones. 2) MKII style non-peaked headlight bezels. what else? i also know someone who makes very good quality fiberglass replicas of 30's and 40's cars and apparently the costs and feasibility for the following parts would be quite attractive: 3) a one piece fiberglass front end. great for race cars. 4) a fiberglass replica rear end/roof of a le man tiger (probably more useful for algers and ruining a real tiger). _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 20 07:16:13 2008 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net, "Jim & Carolyn Burruss" Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:16:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pertronix Ignition Jim: I have a Pertronix I setup on my Tiger, using an older Mallory dual-point distributor. It works fine with the stock tach and it also works well with Tom Hall's electronic conversion tach (highly recommended). Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 20 07:53:54 2008 From: Brock Tella To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:52:20 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] British Car Day San Diego Is the same weekend as Cat Eye.Hopefully they can be accommodated. Sent from my laptop located in my kitchen. ____________________________________________________________ Are you Catholic and single? Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oGxthptbsbM3yQesv3HgJDnEjArB1YOxNY7HetJdaWwrbvc/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 20 11:51:28 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:51:02 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ignition Timing a Stroker 289 Dave I did not see a reply to this so here goes. Basically you can set up the ignition timing so it works for the way you drive the car. The stock 289 ignition curve would probably work just fine as long as all parts of the distributor are working correctly and is giving you a good smooth advance curve. The more compression you have the less total advance you can dial in. If the engine knocks; you have to retard the timing or slow down the advance rate. Here is one good article on the subject that may help you. http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2000/03/timing/ Hope this helps you Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Munroe Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:03 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ignition Timing a Stroker 289 Hi guys; Is there a formula, or some other way to determine the correct ignition timing for a Stroked 289? Mine is now a 331, and it seems to me the timing should be different from stock to optimize performance. Thanks for any insight you can provide... Dave Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 7:11 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 20 12:58:03 2008 From: "Tiger Man" To: "Jim & Carolyn Burruss" , Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:58:13 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pertronix Ignition On my car, when the stock ignition was in place, the tach needle would swing upward with higher engine RPM, but it wasn't particularly accurate or probably even very proportional to actual engine RPM. With the Pertronix II, the tach still moves around, but doesn't really correlate at all to actual engine RPM anymore. If I remember right it hangs around 1500-2500 rpm regardless of engine rpm, in fact I think sometimes it actually moves opposite of engine RPM. Hope that helps, Steve > Will the Pertronix electronic ignition drive the stock Tiger tach? > > Many thanks. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 20 13:08:55 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Tiger Man" , "Jim & Carolyn Burruss" Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:07:43 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pertronix Ignition This is because the Pertronix, like most other points-replacement units, has a very long dwell time (the time the coil is being charged) compared to the points, and that messes up the operation of the pulse amplifier in the OEM tach circuit. Tom Hall and I sell and install a replacement electronics module. It installs inside your OEM tach and completely bypasses the original circuitry. It can be driven using the original current-sensing loop (the white wire that powers your Pertronix and coil) for a completely OEM appearance, or you can directly connect MSD, Jacobs, or other aftermarket ignition controllers. Contact me or Tom (modtiger@comcast.net) for more information. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tiger Man Sent: August 20, 2008 12:58 PM To: Jim & Carolyn Burruss; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pertronix Ignition On my car, when the stock ignition was in place, the tach needle would swing upward with higher engine RPM, but it wasn't particularly accurate or probably even very proportional to actual engine RPM. With the Pertronix II, the tach still moves around, but doesn't really correlate at all to actual engine RPM anymore. If I remember right it hangs around 1500-2500 rpm regardless of engine rpm, in fact I think sometimes it actually moves opposite of engine RPM. Hope that helps, Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 20 13:11:37 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:11:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Message from the Front (drmayf) Dr. Mayfield (drmayf) can't get to the Tiger List, but requested I forward his "Note from the Front" at Bonneville. Our spirits are all with him, and our best wishes. Oh yes, look out for the "other" Sunbeam of Sir Henry Seagrave ;-) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Lawrence Mayfield wrote: > Steve, can you forward this to the tiger and alpine lists for me?I do > not have an account on this computer and email... > > Well folks, a sorry performance so far. Very sorry indeed. First there > were more competition vehicles than every before and thousnds of > spectators, many with hot rods and rat rods. They come to be a part of > the scene I guess. > > We arrived around noon on SUnday and after seting up the pit area, put > the car in line for tech inspection. We moved one car in an hour and > there were a couple of hundred cars in line to be inspected. So we > pulled the car out of line and back to be inspected on Monday. That > was far far better and we got throught clean even allowing the removal > of the special spin sticker they put on the car last year after the > 175 mph slip slide. > > We packed the chute yesterday after tech/safety and made reeady to put > the car in staging today. That happened and there was only about a 4 - > 5 hour wait, lol... They had three courses this year so that helped > some. As we got near the prestage, I suited up, we put the car into > launch mode and I buckled in. Up to the start line, started the car > when told to and left when directed. Car would not accelerate at all. > Boost went to 10 psig but car just would not go. In fact this is > slower than the very first run the car ever made! And to top it all > off, I failed to record any engine performance data at all. I started > the data logging before launching and some how the data logging got > turned off. So no data on performance at all. So tomorrow, pull the > plugs, look for melted aluminum, maybe do a leakdown test on each > cylinder. And then maybe make another run on the short course just to > get some data to look at. I also for some unknown reason have a failed > Air Fuel recording. My dash mounted unit is reading fine but the > recorded data is 11.96 no matter what, lol... > > So folks it has not been fun so far. Except for the many many new > Sunbeam friends who stopped by and chatted with us. We even get > stopped on the street,in the hotel in restaurants because they had > seen the Nat Geo video. > > In any case,hopefully better info next time! > > mayf _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 20 13:15:59 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Tiger's Den" Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:15:30 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Message from the Front (drmayf) I was just checking the results on www.scta-bni.org and "slower than ever before" for Dr. Mayf is 140 mph... It's all about perspective, eh? Mayf, good luck with the Sunbeam, hopefully you can get the gremlins out! Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Laifman Sent: August 20, 2008 1:11 PM To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Message from the Front (drmayf) Dr. Mayfield (drmayf) can't get to the Tiger List, but requested I forward his "Note from the Front" at Bonneville. Our spirits are all with him, and our best wishes. Oh yes, look out for the "other" Sunbeam of Sir Henry Seagrave ;-) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 20 13:35:43 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Jim & Carolyn Burruss Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:35:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pertronix Ignition Jim, Actually the stock wiring (assuming all is in good shape) works just fine with the tach using the Pertronix I and II points replacement kit and also the high voltage coil. Using this ignition points replacement switches the coil current on and off with solid state switches. These do not "arc" like regular points, so also does away with needing a "dual point" distributor plate. Vacuum advances work just fine, as well. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Jim & Carolyn Burruss wrote: > Will the Pertronix electronic ignition drive the stock Tiger tach? > > Many thanks. > > Jim Burruss _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 20 15:33:09 2008 From: Larry Paulick To: "Smit, Theo" Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:33:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pertronix Ignition This electronic tach conversion works very well, and is extremely accurate. It is a one time fix, looks stock, and is an easy connection. I have used it for the last four, or is it 6+ years with my Mallory distributor, and MSD6-AL. Larry Smit, Theo wrote: >This is because the Pertronix, like most other points-replacement units, >has a very long dwell time (the time the coil is being charged) compared >to the points, and that messes up the operation of the pulse amplifier >in the OEM tach circuit. > >Tom Hall and I sell and install a replacement electronics module. It >installs inside your OEM tach and completely bypasses the original >circuitry. It can be driven using the original current-sensing loop (the >white wire that powers your Pertronix and coil) for a completely OEM >appearance, or you can directly connect MSD, Jacobs, or other >aftermarket ignition controllers. > >Contact me or Tom (modtiger@comcast.net) for more information. > >Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Aug 20 20:35:01 2008 From: "Jim & Carolyn Burruss" To: "Smit, Theo" , "Tiger Man" Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:34:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pertronix Ignition Interesting comments. I have just reinstalled my dash after reveneering it, and in the process installed a different tach, a converted 4-cylinder unit. I don't need the higher RPM reading, but my original tach had become heat sensitive, reading much too high when it gets warm, even from the light bulb, so that it was essentially useless. The "new" tach, on a test start up, has a wavering needle, while the original tach is rock steady. This is all with a Mallory dual point distributor. The car is not yet ready to be driven, so I'll know more in time. To all who responded to my question so quickly with very valuable information, thanks very much. I'm always lurking in the background and appreicate all the expertise. Jim Burruss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Tiger Man" ; "Jim & Carolyn Burruss" ; Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Pertronix Ignition > This is because the Pertronix, like most other points-replacement units, > has a very long dwell time (the time the coil is being charged) compared > to the points, and that messes up the operation of the pulse amplifier > in the OEM tach circuit. > > Tom Hall and I sell and install a replacement electronics module. It > installs inside your OEM tach and completely bypasses the original > circuitry. It can be driven using the original current-sensing loop (the > white wire that powers your Pertronix and coil) for a completely OEM > appearance, or you can directly connect MSD, Jacobs, or other > aftermarket ignition controllers. > > Contact me or Tom (modtiger@comcast.net) for more information. > > Theo > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Tiger Man > Sent: August 20, 2008 12:58 PM > To: Jim & Carolyn Burruss; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pertronix Ignition > > On my car, when the stock ignition was in place, the tach needle would > swing upward with higher engine RPM, but it wasn't particularly accurate > or probably even very proportional to actual engine RPM. > > With the Pertronix II, the tach still moves around, but doesn't really > correlate at all to actual engine RPM anymore. If I remember right it > hangs around 1500-2500 rpm regardless of engine rpm, in fact I think > sometimes it actually moves opposite of engine RPM. > > Hope that helps, > Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 08:59:39 2008 From: Bill Lawrence To: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:59:13 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] fuel cap Greetings fellow Tiger Enthusiasts, I had the fuel filler cap on my 65 Tiger pop apart last night. Looks like the fixed pin end of the external cap is intact, but one of the "keepers" is missing (presumably into the tank) while the other sprung onto the station driveway and was rescued. I really have a difficult time believing that the two keepers are just press fit with out any type of mechanical fastener. Any thoughts on a repair would be appreciated. Any NOS or replacement cap available domestically? Warm regards, Bill Lawrence Ft. Lauderdale B9473246LRX _________________________________________________________________ See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 10:00:49 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Bill Lawrence'" , Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:00:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel cap Bill I believe the original casting had cast in posts that were swaged over a washer and the spring loaded seal part which is a very good mechanical way to attach parts. The problem is they were not concerned with corrosion or how to repair a failure 40 years in the future. Generally today auto parts have a design requirement to last only 10 years. Sunbeam Specialties list a gas cap #GT56 $79.60 I believe I have that part on my Tiger now. It is an excellent part with 4 screws holding the spring loaded seal part to the cap. You might be able to drill and tap screw holes into your cap but I have never attempted that. The gas cap that was on the car was pitted some so I never tried to repair it. You should also check the condition of the spring on your cap. I had one that the wire was pitted, lost most of it spring force and it would barely spring up. Sunbeam Specialties might have those in stock too but I'm not sure right now where I got a new spring for my gas cap. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Lawrence Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 10:59 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] fuel cap Greetings fellow Tiger Enthusiasts, I had the fuel filler cap on my 65 Tiger pop apart last night. Looks like the fixed pin end of the external cap is intact, but one of the "keepers" is missing (presumably into the tank) while the other sprung onto the station driveway and was rescued. I really have a difficult time believing that the two keepers are just press fit with out any type of mechanical fastener. Any thoughts on a repair would be appreciated. Any NOS or replacement cap available domestically? Warm regards, Bill Lawrence Ft. Lauderdale B9473246LRX _________________________________________________________________ See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008 You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1625 - Release Date: 8/21/2008 6:04 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 12:15:25 2008 From: Brock Tella To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:14:02 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger caps Along with Tiger shirts, I had some quality caps made. Red or black..$22.00 includes tax and shipping. Sent from my laptop located in my kitchen. ____________________________________________________________ Get the shot you need with a discreet new spy camera. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m1Eqx9UzSUhBBNW95bFvTAcvYZZca89qXYIhPjhDPUvp5Sq/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Hat 001.jpg] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 12:40:38 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, Bill Lawrence Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:40:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel cap Bill- I have a spare cap Im gald to trade for postage. Not sure how pitted it is or isnt but maybe you can fix yours with parts from mine. TonythhTigetr _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 13:00:45 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:00:40 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Vibration I just changed wheels and tires and am not sure if this is related....in high gear at 1,500 rpm's (about 60 mph with 5 speed) I get a vibration that lasts about 1-2 seconds and then goes away. 4 or 5 seconds later it comes back and constantly repeats this cycle. With that time sequence I don't see how it can be engine or drivetrain related. It seems it must have something to do with wheel balance. Any ideas? Mark **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 13:36:01 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:36:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration I don't think wheel RPM is fast enough to give what would normally be called vibration. It would be more of a thump or shake. I would look at tailshaft housing bushing or less likely the U joints or pinion bearing in the rear end. Just grab it with the car in neutral and see if you can shake it sideways. Don't get run over of course. -- Bill -- I just changed wheels and tires and am not sure if this is related....in high gear at 1,500 rpm's (about 60 mph with 5 speed) I get a vibration that lasts about 1-2 seconds and then goes away. 4 or 5 seconds later it comes back and constantly repeats this cycle. With that time sequence I don't see how it can be engine or drivetrain related. It seems it must have something to do with wheel balance. Any ideas? Mark _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 13:38:26 2008 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: "William Lau" , Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:38:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration Throwout bearing?? * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 13:39:17 2008 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: , Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:39:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration Mark, you didn't mention whether the vibration was coming from the steering wheel, floor, or the gear shift. I have experienced this when running two different size tires front and rear that were not true or not balanced well, the difference in the circumferences makes the tires spin at slightly different speeds, so any unbalance will vibrate in and out of harmony. This can also be true side-to-side, especially if one tire is worn more than the other. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 3:01 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Vibration I just changed wheels and tires and am not sure if this is related....in high gear at 1,500 rpm's (about 60 mph with 5 speed) I get a vibration that lasts about 1-2 seconds and then goes away. 4 or 5 seconds later it comes back and constantly repeats this cycle. With that time sequence I don't see how it can be engine or drivetrain related. It seems it must have something to do with wheel balance. Any ideas? Mark **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) You are subscribed as mark.rense@ge.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 13:51:41 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: mark.rense@ge.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:51:30 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration Well, I do have different sized tires front and rear. They are new and tires are new. Transmission and drive shaft are new. The thing is, I didn't notice this before the I put tires on a few days ago. I think I'll start by having the wheels rebalanced and see if that helps any. The strange thing is, it doesn't feel like an imbalance that will come and go at different speeds. This comes and goes at a certain speed. I don't notice it at lower speeds. mark **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 14:19:24 2008 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:17:58 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Not Tiger related, All, I have been battling with an issue on a project for awhile, and now I'm getting a little desperate. Its not Tiger related...actually this car is so far away from Tiger topics, I'm slightly hesistant to ask, but like I said, I'm getting a little desperate and some of you guys have seen a lot of stuff over the years, and this one is new for me, maybe someone will have an idea. Here is a very quick background: I have a pro street/ or more like pro touring 1967 Chevrolet Nova, or Chevy II....I have had it for about 20 years, and built it up twice. Bought it as a powerglide 2 spd automatic and straight 6....first build up when I was 16 was a .030 over 350 chevy, 350 turbo automatic. Factory body, rear leaf springs, posi 10-bolt with 3:73's, shock towers on the front, 4 wheel drums etc. it was a stock body with a mild motor and transmission, with the bigges size tire I could get on it on the back which was a 245/60/15...BFG on Cragar SS wheels...that was 15-20 years ago...... .........a few years ago I decided to go thru it again, this time it got mini tubbed, with inboard frame rails, 4 link rear suspension, ford 9", 4:11 gears, 295/50/15's, 4 wheel discs, same 350 turbo transmission, tubular mustang II front end, rack and pinion, 406 inch small block roller motor ( dyno's at 490 horse) 8 point cage, subframe connectors, sill reinforcing tubes...and the cage ties in to the chassis strengthing.. ( the subframe connectors and the sill stiffiners) the rear frame rails tie in to the cross member and driveshaft loop, and those tie in to the subframe connectos. So its very stiff...no chassis flex, or at least a hellofa lot less than it had to begin with. Wait for part 2 coming immediately after this... Cullen _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 14:20:55 2008 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:19:23 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Not Tiger related, Part 2 of 2 Now here is where it gets sticky...right after building it up this last time, about a year ago....I got it running, and drove it.... put about 50 miles on it, it drove great and all looked good. I decided to give it some gas. I was out in my neighborhood here the back roads of Oklahoma, brought the car to a stop and jumped on it pretty hard. It instantly made a loud snapping sound...followed by a huge vibration problem...I got out and looked it over but couldn't see anything. I limped it home a couple of miles. When I put it on the lift I noticed the bell housing to the automatic transmission was broken completely off the case. Cut its throat ear to ear as they say...it broke from the corner near the pan all the way over to the other corner, and when I removed it the transmission cam out in 2 pieces....like a manual...lol. After pouring over it for a week or two, I couldn't find anything wrong. I took the transmission and stall up to the transmission shop in town, very reputable, done lots of work with them. They built me up a street strip 350 turbo, with plenty of go fast guts and goodies...installed it in the car and went back to driving. This time I put about 150 miles on it.....hadn't yet got " on it" very hard, but....one night some kid in his trans am was egging me on...so I take it kinda easy but still rolled on to it pretty hard, and went to grabbing gears....when the car came to a stop that same vibration was there...and it bad broken the transmission again. I put a 3rd trans in it but haven't gotten on it since, and that was 6 months ago. I have asked everyone I know, and they all say chassis flex and I must have solid motor mounts....which is incorrect. I have plain jane rubber mounts, which aren't broken, and a rubber mount on the transmission cross member. I have had the chassis looked at by 2 of the most reputable chassis guys I know, and both think it looks fine, or at least shouldn't cause this problem. My 4 link wont let the rear end rotate, the driveshaft isn't thrusting into the tranny...the car aligns great, the chassis is straight and true. Any suggestions to my issue (besides that it's a Chevrolet!) would be appreciated..... Thanks again in advance... Cullen _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 15:26:48 2008 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "CoolVT@aol.com" , "mark.rense@ge.com" Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:26:30 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration Do you still have the old wheels and tires available? If so, put them back on and check to see if the problem persists. Also, what type of wheels are the new ones? The current Panasports (if applicable) are not hub centric and can cause what you describe. If you try the above suggestion and the vibration goes away, re-install the new wheels and mark their orientation. If the problem recurs, remove each wheel one at a time and turn it 90 degrees and drive the car to see if the vibration is still there. This is rather time intensive and may not resolve the issue, but it worked for me with Panasports (or any other non-hub centric wheels I suppose.) As for the different size tires being the issue, I have always run different sizes front/rear on several types of wheels over the eons, and have never found this to be an issue. Jere Teepen -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:52 PM To: mark.rense@ge.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration Well, I do have different sized tires front and rear. They are new and tires are new. Transmission and drive shaft are new. The thing is, I didn't notice this before the I put tires on a few days ago. I think I'll start by having the wheels rebalanced and see if that helps any. The strange thing is, it doesn't feel like an imbalance that will come and go at different speeds. This comes and goes at a certain speed. I don't notice it at lower speeds. mark _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 15:38:16 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: CoolVT@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:38:08 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration Mark, Just read in this morning's L.A. Times that the California environmentalists have struck again, and no one will be allowed to balance wheel/tire with lead weights. No Tire Company, Dealership, Tire sellers, or sales of lead weights will be allowed. We all know that lead is poisonous if ingested (don't eat your weights) but apparently they can come off the wheel (yes) and traffic pulverizes them and rain will wash them into our drinking water (???). I don't think our reservoirs collect street drainage. /"Kiss a Coyote", and we will also bomb you if you do medical research on animals, or wear fur, or leather shoes, or keep your pants up with --------"/ ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com CoolVT@aol.com wrote: Well, I do have different sized tires front and rear. They are new and tires are new. Transmission and drive shaft are new. The thing is, I didn't notice this before the I put tires on a few days ago. I think I'll start by having the wheels rebalanced and see if that helps any. The strange thing is, it doesn't feel like an imbalance that will come and go at different speeds. This comes and goes at a certain speed. I don't notice it at lower speeds. mark _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 15:48:26 2008 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: Steve Laifman , "CoolVT@aol.com" Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:48:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration It also poisons creeks, streams, lakes, and the ocean, affecting wildlife and contaminating recreational waters. I am surprised it took this long to eliminate considering the toxicity of lead has been known for a very long time. There are alternatives to lead, though not as convenient to use. Jere Teepen -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Laifman Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 2:38 PM To: CoolVT@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration Mark, Just read in this morning's L.A. Times that the California environmentalists have struck again, and no one will be allowed to balance wheel/tire with lead weights. No Tire Company, Dealership, Tire sellers, or sales of lead weights will be allowed. We all know that lead is poisonous if ingested (don't eat your weights) but apparently they can come off the wheel (yes) and traffic pulverizes them and rain will wash them into our drinking water (???). I don't think our reservoirs collect street drainage. /"Kiss a Coyote", and we will also bomb you if you do medical research on animals, or wear fur, or leather shoes, or keep your pants up with --------"/ ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com CoolVT@aol.com wrote: Well, I do have different sized tires front and rear. They are new and tires are new. Transmission and drive shaft are new. The thing is, I didn't notice this before the I put tires on a few days ago. I think I'll start by having the wheels rebalanced and see if that helps any. The strange thing is, it doesn't feel like an imbalance that will come and go at different speeds. This comes and goes at a certain speed. I don't notice it at lower speeds. mark _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 16:18:34 2008 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:18:05 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tach Pertronix I replaced the points with a Pertronix 1 system about 10 years ago. The tach always bounced around for the most part with points or Pertronix. You can adjust the stock tach by turning a pointer screw inside of the case. One of the Tiger web sites shows the location of the adjustment screw and where you can drill a hole in the case to get to it. You drill a hole through the case so a screwdriver can adjust the tach while mounted. You just need a good reference tach and match the two together at a given rpm, say 3000 rpm. Adjusting the tach did make a difference and seems to be more accurate. Here is a couple of helpful tach links: http://www.classictiger.com/techtips/techtips.html http://66.175.58.218/tech/stoa_tech_9904.pdf Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 17:23:23 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: "Teepen, Jere" , Steve Laifman Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration I think you could use Plutonium, it has a high density ;-) I think the EU has had Iron Weights, and I have seen them when I got a couple of boxes of weights (lead) for my racing rims but not sure if they have them in tape on. Well I had better order some more before they become extinct. I will, however, check for iron before makeing the non-green selection! Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "Teepen, Jere" To: Steve Laifman ; "CoolVT@aol.com" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 2:48:31 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration It also poisons creeks, streams, lakes, and the ocean, affecting wildlife and contaminating recreational waters. I am surprised it took this long to eliminate considering the toxicity of lead has been known for a very long time. There are alternatives to lead, though not as convenient to use. Jere Teepen -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Laifman Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 2:38 PM To: CoolVT@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration Mark, Just read in this morning's L.A. Times that the California environmentalists have struck again, and no one will be allowed to balance wheel/tire with lead weights. No Tire Company, Dealership, Tire sellers, or sales of lead weights will be allowed. We all know that lead is poisonous if ingested (don't eat your weights) but apparently they can come off the wheel (yes) and traffic pulverizes them and rain will wash them into our drinking water (???). I don't think our reservoirs collect street drainage. /"Kiss a Coyote", and we will also bomb you if you do medical research on animals, or wear fur, or leather shoes, or keep your pants up with --------"/ ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com CoolVT@aol.com wrote: Well, I do have different sized tires front and rear. They are new and tires are new. Transmission and drive shaft are new. The thing is, I didn't notice this before the I put tires on a few days ago. I think I'll start by having the wheels rebalanced and see if that helps any. The strange thing is, it doesn't feel like an imbalance that will come and go at different speeds. This comes and goes at a certain speed. I don't notice it at lower speeds. mark _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 18:48:11 2008 From: drmoonstone@aol.com To: achd73@yahoo.com, tigers@autox.team.net, billlawrence@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:47:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel cap Tony, you're awesome. Way to support the group!! Moonstone -----Original Message----- From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net; Bill Lawrence Sent: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:40 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel cap Bill- I have a spare cap Im gald to trade for postage. Not sure how pitted it is or isnt but maybe you can fix yours with parts from mine. TonythhTigetr You are subscribed as drmoonstone@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 18:58:27 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:58:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration - lead weights So, it has come to this! Some old timer secretly smelting lead in a recluse shack and selling the weights on the black market. Elsewhere, an auto aficionado stealthily slips the underpaid tire guy a $20, - to have him use the weights he bought from the old timer. The government responds with lead sniffing dogs and law enforcement is give magnets on sticks to test wheels for suspected polluters. Stickers with a red circles and a diagonal red slash over the letters Pb get slapped on VW busses, covering over fade global warming stickers. The conspiracy theorist have a new whipping boy. "Dorothy wake - up!" Oh..., it was only a bad nightmare. Tom :-) Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1625 - Release Date: 8/21/2008 6:04 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 18:59:24 2008 From: drmoonstone@aol.com To: jteepen@usatoday.com, SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com, CoolVT@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:59:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration You're right and we can also make less dangerous ammunition for a safer and sweeter society. Currently the cost of replacing lead in the shooting sports has caused a 6 fold increase in cost. But lead, god save us all. LOL Moonstone -----Original Message----- From: Teepen, Jere To: Steve Laifman ; CoolVT@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 2:48 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration It also poisons creeks, streams, lakes, and the ocean, affecting wildlife and contaminating recreational waters. I am surprised it took this long to eliminate considering the toxicity of lead has been known for a very long time. There are alternatives to lead, though not as convenient to use. Jere Teepen -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Laifman Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 2:38 PM To: CoolVT@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration Mark, Just read in this morning's L.A. Times that the California environmentalists have struck again, and no one will be allowed to balance wheel/tire with lead weights. No Tire Company, Dealership, Tire sellers, or sales of lead weights will be allowed. We all know that lead is poisonous if ingested (don't eat your weights) but apparently they can come off the wheel (yes) and traffic pulverizes them and rain will wash them into our drinking water (???). I don't think our reservoirs collect street drainage. /"Kiss a Coyote", and we will also bomb you if you do medical research on animals, or wear fur, or leather shoes, or keep your pants up with --------"/ ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com CoolVT@aol.com wrote: Well, I do have different sized tires front and rear. They are new and tires are new. Transmission and drive shaft are new. The thing is, I didn't notice this before the I put tires on a few days ago. I think I'll start by having the wheels rebalanced and see if that helps any. The strange thing is, it doesn't feel like an imbalance that will come and go at different speeds. This comes and goes at a certain speed. I don't notice it at lower speeds. mark You are subscribed as drmoonstone@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 19:29:33 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: drmoonstone@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration Yet another law, smells like leaded gas, no pun intended ;-). In any case, I just ordered 30lbs of tape on lead weights. You have until 2009 I think before they are illegal just like using a cell phone while driving. I'm careful with my hazmat stuff and would not dump them into the trash other then that they don't seem to come of when taped up. http://www.latimes.com/la-fi-wheels21-2008aug21,0,3343081.story The LAT Story... Sandy I might have typed this while driving and using my cell phone...but that would be aginst the law _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 20:05:17 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:04:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration I wonder why when the lead is in the ground before they make wheel weights out of it, it doesn't contaminate the water. Mark, Just read in this morning's L.A. Times that the California environmentalists have struck again, and no one will be allowed to balance wheel/tire with lead weights. No Tire Company, Dealership, Tire sellers, or sales of lead weights will be allowed. We all know that lead is poisonous if ingested (don't eat your weights) but apparently they can come off the wheel (yes) and traffic pulverizes them and rain will wash them into our drinking water (???). I don't think our reservoirs collect street drainage. /"Kiss a Coyote", and we will also bomb you if you do medical research on animals, or wear fur, or leather shoes, or keep your pants up with --------"/ ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com CoolVT@aol.com wrote: Well, I do have different sized tires front and rear. They are new and tires are new. Transmission and drive shaft are new. The thing is, I didn't notice this before the I put tires on a few days ago. I think I'll start by having the wheels rebalanced and see if that helps any. The strange thing is, it doesn't feel like an imbalance that will come and go at different speeds. This comes and goes at a certain speed. I don't notice it at lower speeds. mark _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 20:22:02 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:22:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration Dr, what you wrote is the real reason to get rid of lead. If you can't use lead for bullets, the alternative is so expensive that only the rich can afford them. If the left can get rid of lead in other places first, it will be simple to take it away from bullets which is their # 1 priority. -- Bill -- You're right and we can also make less dangerous ammunition for a safer and sweeter society. Currently the cost of replacing lead in the shooting sports has caused a 6 fold increase in cost. But lead, god save us all. LOL Moonstone -----Original Message----- From: Teepen, Jere To: Steve Laifman ; CoolVT@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 2:48 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration It also poisons creeks, streams, lakes, and the ocean, affecting wildlife and contaminating recreational waters. I am surprised it took this long to eliminate considering the toxicity of lead has been known for a very long time. There are alternatives to lead, though not as convenient to use. Jere Teepen Mark, Just read in this morning's L.A. Times that the California environmentalists have struck again, and no one will be allowed to balance wheel/tire with lead weights. No Tire Company, Dealership, Tire sellers, or sales of lead weights will be allowed. We all know that lead is poisonous if ingested (don't eat your weights) but apparently they can come off the wheel (yes) and traffic pulverizes them and rain will wash them into our drinking water (???). I don't think our reservoirs collect street drainage. /"Kiss a Coyote", and we will also bomb you if you do medical research on animals, or wear fur, or leather shoes, or keep your pants up with --------"/ ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com CoolVT@aol.com wrote: Well, I do have different sized tires front and rear. They are new and tires are new. Transmission and drive shaft are new. The thing is, I didn't notice this before the I put tires on a few days ago. I think I'll start by having the wheels rebalanced and see if that helps any. The strange thing is, it doesn't feel like an imbalance that will come and go at different speeds. This comes and goes at a certain speed. I don't notice it at lower speeds. mark You are subscribed as drmoonstone@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as mrlau@charter.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 20:56:30 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration That is a question that might hold some water, but we import all our dangerous products from Canada ;). I had read an article about Leaded gasoline a few years back by a scientist said that the removal of lead in gasoline has not made any differences in the levels in nature or some such statement. Not sure how true it was, but was interesting. What about Freon 12 and the R134A replacement, seems that didn't go to well either. Well at least we are trying... Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: William Lau To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 7:04:25 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration I wonder why when the lead is in the ground before they make wheel weights out of it, it doesn't contaminate the water. Mark, Just read in this morning's L.A. Times that the California environmentalists have struck again, and no one will be allowed to balance wheel/tire with lead weights. No Tire Company, Dealership, Tire sellers, or sales of lead weights will be allowed. We all know that lead is poisonous if ingested (don't eat your weights) but apparently they can come off the wheel (yes) and traffic pulverizes them and rain will wash them into our drinking water (???). I don't think our reservoirs collect street drainage. /"Kiss a Coyote", and we will also bomb you if you do medical research on animals, or wear fur, or leather shoes, or keep your pants up with --------"/ ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com CoolVT@aol.com wrote: Well, I do have different sized tires front and rear. They are new and tires are new. Transmission and drive shaft are new. The thing is, I didn't notice this before the I put tires on a few days ago. I think I'll start by having the wheels rebalanced and see if that helps any. The strange thing is, it doesn't feel like an imbalance that will come and go at different speeds. This comes and goes at a certain speed. I don't notice it at lower speeds. mark _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 21:26:48 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:23:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration Sandy, Remember in about 1980 when the Times Magazine had ice age pictures on their cover. Now it is global warming. These groups and a number of politicians make their money scaring people constantly with skewed information. The real horror of this is that when someone constantly hollers wolf, no one pays any attention when the wolf is really there. It winds up being the fault of the very people that thought they were at least doing something and weren't willing to throw out the people perpetrating the hoaxes to start with. -- Bill -- That is a question that might hold some water, but we import all our dangerous products from Canada ;). I had read an article about Leaded gasoline a few years back by a scientist said that the removal of lead in gasoline has not made any differences in the levels in nature or some such statement. Not sure how true it was, but was interesting. What about Freon 12 and the R134A replacement, seems that didn't go to well either. Well at least we are trying... Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: William Lau To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 7:04:25 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration I wonder why when the lead is in the ground before they make wheel weights out of it, it doesn't contaminate the water. Mark, Just read in this morning's L.A. Times that the California environmentalists have struck again, and no one will be allowed to balance wheel/tire with lead weights. No Tire Company, Dealership, Tire sellers, or sales of lead weights will be allowed. We all know that lead is poisonous if ingested (don't eat your weights) but apparently they can come off the wheel (yes) and traffic pulverizes them and rain will wash them into our drinking water (???). I don't think our reservoirs collect street drainage. /"Kiss a Coyote", and we will also bomb you if you do medical research on animals, or wear fur, or leather shoes, or keep your pants up with --------"/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 21:31:06 2008 From: "James E. Pickard" To: "Tiger List" Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:29:10 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Hood buffers I'm still clueless on removing the two rear hood buffers (SS part. no. ET95). Obviously the front two are held on by easily accessible nuts. But the rear two seem to disappear somewhere into the body. Do they simply screw into a built-in thread? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 23:05:38 2008 From: "Mike Michels" To: "James E. Pickard" , "Tiger List" Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:05:47 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hood buffers Hi Jim, Yes, they should screw into captive nuts that are welded underneath the hood drain channel. Height is adjusted by turning them in or out and then locked with a jam nut against the captive nut. I think I may have corresponded earlier that a "crow foot" wrench adapter on a short socket extension makes it possible to loosen and tighten the lock nut. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James E. Pickard" To: "Tiger List" Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 8:29 PM Subject: [Tigers] Hood buffers > I'm still clueless on removing the two rear hood buffers (SS part. no. > ET95). > Obviously the front two are held on by easily accessible nuts. But the > rear > two seem to disappear somewhere into the body. Do they simply screw into > a > built-in thread? Thanks. > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold > 2003 Mini Cooper > Lafayette, LA > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mmichels@socal.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 07:10:03 2008 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:09:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lead Weights Lead is a particularly nasty substance, once it gets into the environment because it is difficult to remove and can find its way into our bodies in numerous ways. The negative effects on the neurological system, including the brain, are long-term and irreversible. In the past, lead has found its way into the environment from the lead in gasoline, paint, dust and soil containing lead, drinking water (from lead pipes and solder), incinerated print and paper products and lead batteries, to name just a few. By one account, 32% of the children in LA are lead-poisoned. Maine and other states have passed laws to ban the use of lead weights for fishing due to the effect on bird populations (like Loons) that tend to ingest the weights. You can make light of the situation and joke around about not eating your balance weights but this is not really something to disregard. Brain damage is not funny, even if you are talking about Congress and the present Administration. Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 07:47:48 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:47:07 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Lead Weights This phony accusation is perpetrated by lowering the amount of lead allowed in a human each year until a crisis is imagined. Some lead is normal in humans. Compare the current levels with 1920 and see where we are at. Lead is in the ground to start with where water can leach across it forever. Global warming --- No global cooling--- no, warming -- cooling --warming. Whatever, just be scared because the sky is falling. Tod I would bet money you are virulently anti second amendment also. -- Bill -- Tod said By one account, 32% of the children in LA are lead-poisoned. Lead is a particularly nasty substance, once it gets into the environment because it is difficult to remove and can find its way into our bodies in numerous ways. The negative effects on the neurological system, including the brain, are long-term and irreversible. By one account, 32% of the children in LA are lead-poisoned. from the lead in gasoline, paint, dust and soil containing lead, drinking water (from lead pipes and solder), incinerated print and paper products and lead batteries, to name just a few. By one account, 32% of the children in LA are lead-poisoned. Maine and other states have passed laws to ban the use of lead weights for fishing due to the effect on bird populations (like Loons) that tend to ingest the weights. You can make light of the situation and joke around about not eating your balance weights but this is not really something to disregard. Brain damage is not funny, even if you are talking about Congress and the present Administration. Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 08:01:30 2008 From: Randy Zimmermann To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) I don't know why this needs to be said yet again but apparently it does: This is a list about Sunbeam cars and Tigers in particular! There are plenty of alternate channels in cyberspace to exchange views on the bigger issues of the day. Personally, it spoils the beginning of my day to have to read messages like this below. Call it selfish of me, but I own my Tiger for pleasure and subscribe to this list for the exchange of information about maintaining and continuing to derive pleasure from this unique Sunbeam car. Randy Zimmermann Duluth, MN --- On Fri, 8/22/08, William Lau wrote: From: William Lau Subject: [Tigers] FW: Lead Weights To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 8:47 AM This phony accusation is perpetrated by lowering the amount of lead allowed in a human each year until a crisis is imagined. Some lead is normal in humans. Compare the current levels with 1920 and see where we are at. Lead is in the ground to start with where water can leach across it forever. Global warming --- No global cooling--- no, warming -- cooling --warming. Whatever, just be scared because the sky is falling. Tod I would bet money you are virulently anti second amendment also. -- Bill -- Tod said By one account, 32% of the children in LA are lead-poisoned. Lead is a particularly nasty substance, once it gets into the environment because it is difficult to remove and can find its way into our bodies in numerous ways. The negative effects on the neurological system, including the brain, are long-term and irreversible. By one account, 32% of the children in LA are lead-poisoned. from the lead in gasoline, paint, dust and soil containing lead, drinking water (from lead pipes and solder), incinerated print and paper products and lead batteries, to name just a few. By one account, 32% of the children in LA are lead-poisoned. Maine and other states have passed laws to ban the use of lead weights for fishing due to the effect on bird populations (like Loons) that tend to ingest the weights. You can make light of the situation and joke around about not eating your balance weights but this is not really something to disregard. Brain damage is not funny, even if you are talking about Congress and the present Administration. Tod B382002384LRXFE You are subscribed as zimme008@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 08:32:51 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:32:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) This head in the sand thinking is exactly why we lose things like our Tigers. How much longer do you expect to have the fuel and other things so that you can still drive it? If you are scared that I might respond to a political statement with a political rebuttal, just click that X whenever you read the initial statement to keep your thinking safe. -- Bill -- I don't know why this needs to be said yet again but apparently it does: This is a list about Sunbeam cars and Tigers in particular! There are plenty of alternate channels in cyberspace to exchange views on the bigger issues of the day. Personally, it spoils the beginning of my day to have to read messages like this below. Call it selfish of me, but I own my Tiger for pleasure and subscribe to this list for the exchange of information about maintaining and continuing to derive pleasure from this unique Sunbeam car. Randy Zimmermann Duluth, MN _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 09:07:45 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: mrlau@charter.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:07:33 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] FW: Lead Weights Here's an interesting one on lead paint......In Vermont lead laws were passed that dealt with lead paint in apt buildings (let the home owners' kids fend for themselves;-) I got licensed as a "lead abatement" handler. This was not to remove lead paint, but to "control" it in apts through various methods. The benefit for landlords is that if you follow these rules you can never be sued by renters for lead paint in the building. What I thought most interesting is that kids weren't being poisoned from lead paint inside of the building. Most were getting it from the earth surrounding the building. As wooden houses were scraped and repainted over the years the lead built to high levels in the first 10' of earth surrounding the house. The kids playing in that dirt got the problems. The kid chewing paint on the windowsill made a nice graphic, but was found to be extremely rare. One remediation method VT has used is that plastic has to be put down when scraping the exterior of an apt building. When done, roll up the plastic with the scraped lead paint contained in it and throw it in the rubbish. That last part is what I couldn't understand. I thought if it was so dangerous that something else should be done with it. I guess VT is waiting for Calif. to tell them what to do with the buckets of paint contained in the plastic Also, VT has banned small lead sinkers (small enough for birds and fish to swallow), but is still allowing lead over a certain weight. Mark **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 10:09:13 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:08:48 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) Randy, If these comments were brought up purely from a political argument - out of nowhere - I would agree with you. However, it did germinate from a discussion about balance weights on Tigers. Should it continue on endlessly I would also agree that it should have a point of termination. While this is a "Tiger" list it is also automotive related, there are things related to every car that affect our hobby. Some feel a need to "vent" stronger than others. For me, I would prefer to give them that latitude - for a period of time - even if I disagree (which to some extent I do). Yesterday I posted what to me was a whimsical absurdity (old man smelting lead in a shack) of health laws. Mark just posted about the austerity of Vermont lead disposal. Why should this discussion be on a Tiger list? Because if you had to have a licensed lead expert charge you $200 to clean corroded battery terminals I think there would be a relevance to how all this ties together. At times it seems like that day isn't too far off. Frankly, if it wasn't for these side discussions I wonder how little traffic there would be. Eight years ago when I got on the list it was 98% Tiger discussion. While I wish that were still the case, obviously it is not. I will never have the money to buy a set of Panasports or a Martha Wheat interior. I have probably seen hundreds of messages on these subjects that are on no interest to me. The simple solution - Delete. Don't let a few zealous people who do feel that outside issues affect their Tiger hobby ruin your day. Respectfully, Tom Witt Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1625 - Release Date: 8/21/2008 6:04 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 10:38:45 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: atwittsend@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:38:44 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) As a side note on wheel weights. I was at a tire balancer this morning. I asked about the lead weights. He said they had been phasing lead replacements in for the past year. He showed me one that he thought was zink and compared it to a lead weight. The zink apparently isn't as heavy because the 1oz. zink was about 3 times the size of the 1oz. lead. He said the instructions on the boxes of both weights tell the installer to wash their hands every time they handle either of the weights. I asked how many of the installer do. His answer, "None!" I'm not so sure I'd want to handle a few hundred lead weights every day with no gloves! Mark **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 10:43:55 2008 From: Steve Sage To: Tod Brown Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:44:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lead Weights Tod: You had me somewhat swayed to your point of view until you got down to your last line: "Tod Brown wrote: > ....................Brain damage is not funny, even if you are talking about Congress and the > present Administration. > Tod > B382002384LRXFE............................. > _______________________________________________ Actually, I thought some of those comments were funny. Left wingers just can't help themselves when their Bush/Republican derangement syndrome takes over. Any sense of humor, if there was one to begin with, goes out the window. You just don't get it that a dumb comment like that keeps at least half of your audience from taking you seriously. Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10540e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 10:55:27 2008 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:55:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lead Weights This discussion reminds me of my favorite political bumper sticker, courtesy of the old comic strip Bloom County: "NUKE THE GAY WHALES!" I do see a tie-in to a previous discussion about electric power generation and the byproduct of building more Nuke plants: Use spent uranium as wheel weights. They already make armor-piercing shells from the stuff. I'll bet that idea would curl a few toes over at the EPA... :>) Happy Friday, Bugz _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 11:18:48 2008 From: To: "Tod Brown" , Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:18:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lead Weights Lead is a relatively inert substance. Bullets taken from the ground at Gettysburg(Civil war) are still intact. This after a nominal 150 year period of exposure to moisture, soil acids etc.... I watch with interest the hyperbole of the green agenda.....Gary B9472283 survivor.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Brown" To: Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lead Weights > Lead is a particularly nasty substance, once it gets into the > environment because it is difficult to remove and > can find its way into our bodies in numerous ways. The negative > effects on the neurological system, including > the brain, are long-term and irreversible. In the past, lead has > found its way into the environment from the lead > in gasoline, paint, dust and soil containing lead, drinking water > (from lead pipes and solder), incinerated print > and paper products and lead batteries, to name just a few. By one > account, 32% of the children in LA are > lead-poisoned. Maine and other states have passed laws to ban the use > of lead weights for fishing due to the > effect on bird populations (like Loons) that tend to ingest the > weights. You can make light of the situation > and joke around about not eating your balance weights but this is not > really something to disregard. Brain > damage is not funny, even if you are talking about Congress and the > present Administration. > Tod > B382002384LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as arado7@sbcglobal.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 11:21:23 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:21:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lead Weights Steve, with what the Left wingers are offering the public this very moment I am smiling more and more. -- Bill -- Tod: You had me somewhat swayed to your point of view until you got down to your last line: "Tod Brown wrote: > ....................Brain damage is not funny, even if you are talking about Congress and the > present Administration. > Tod > B382002384LRXFE............................. > _______________________________________________ Actually, I thought some of those comments were funny. Left wingers just can't help themselves when their Bush/Republican derangement syndrome takes over. Any sense of humor, if there was one to begin with, goes out the window. You just don't get it that a dumb comment like that keeps at least half of your audience from taking you seriously. Steve Sage _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 12:09:00 2008 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:01:30 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lead When I was younger and unleaded gas appeared on the market (at a higher price) My grandfather told me he remembered when lead was first added to fuel. "They raised the price to add the lead. Now they've raised the price again because it supposedly has to be removed" Steve I had read an article about Leaded gasoline a few years back by a scientist said that the removal of lead in gasoline has not made any differences in the levels in nature or some such statement. Not sure how true it was, but was interesting. What about Freon 12 and the R134A replacement, seems that didn't go to well either. Well at least we are trying... Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 12:42:27 2008 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:41:55 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and lack of discussion "I don't know why this needs to be said yet again but apparently it does: This is a list about Sunbeam cars and Tigers in particular! There are plenty of alternate channels in cyberspace to exchange views on the bigger issues of the day. Personally, it spoils the beginning of my day to have to read messages like this below. Call it selfish of me, but I own my Tiger for pleasure and subscribe to this list for the exchange of information about maintaining and continuing to derive pleasure from this unique Sunbeam car." I agree, lets talk about TAC or that S.O.B. Carroll Shelby or Algers or resto-mod versus original or which part vendors suck or ...........? And forget about Liberal wienies or tree hugging Greenies or Conservative selfish meanies! Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 12:46:14 2008 From: Cushcom1@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:46:10 EDT Subject: [Tigers] DALE LISTING DO ANY LISTERS OUT THERE HAVE A CURRENT PHONE NUMBER FOR DALE AKEZUSKI (DALE'S RESTORATIONS)? THANKS FROM THE TIGERMAN **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 13:01:30 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:01:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] DALE LISTING Tigerman Here is the contact information on his web site or is that the problem none of the numbers work. http://www.dalesresto.com/contact.html Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cushcom1@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 2:46 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] DALE LISTING DO ANY LISTERS OUT THERE HAVE A CURRENT PHONE NUMBER FOR DALE AKEZUSKI (DALE'S RESTORATIONS)? THANKS FROM THE TIGERMAN **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1627 - Release Date: 8/22/2008 6:48 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 13:13:49 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jeffrey Nichols'" , Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:13:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers and lack of discussion Jeff Information I have is that Carroll Shelby and SAAC have kissed and made up. SAAC stays on the East coast and Team Shelby stays on the West coast. This is hear say on my part, I have not confirmed that statement and may be subject to change but I hope that chapter is over and done with. Funny how a new accountant suddenly finds a delinquent license agreement account and suddenly Lawyers are grabbing thousands of $$ for litigation about $10 in back license fees. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 2:42 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and lack of discussion "I don't know why this needs to be said yet again but apparently it does: This is a list about Sunbeam cars and Tigers in particular! There are plenty of alternate channels in cyberspace to exchange views on the bigger issues of the day. Personally, it spoils the beginning of my day to have to read messages like this below. Call it selfish of me, but I own my Tiger for pleasure and subscribe to this list for the exchange of information about maintaining and continuing to derive pleasure from this unique Sunbeam car." I agree, lets talk about TAC or that S.O.B. Carroll Shelby or Algers or resto-mod versus original or which part vendors suck or ...........? And forget about Liberal wienies or tree hugging Greenies or Conservative selfish meanies! Jeff You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1627 - Release Date: 8/22/2008 6:48 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 13:24:15 2008 From: Brock Tella To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:22:25 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Trunk lock I searched everywhere but could not find the answer. I ordered a new tumbler and keys but can not figure out how to replace it. Do the rivets holding the chrome assembly to the metal latch have to be drilled out? Any advice would be appreciated. Sent from my laptop located in my kitchen. ____________________________________________________________ Find the medical school that's right for you. Click to request info today. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oIq84bnlHX3kZJkhxpmKArtV0XdCnIqyvrwQKrkfMFomphA/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 13:31:51 2008 From: Tod Brown To: William Lau , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:31:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lead Weights Bill: It's not 1920 any more. Maybe there is some valid research behind the changes? But, if you think that it is all a gigantic conspiracy, that doesn't matter, does it? BTW, how do you feel about the 13th and 19th Amendments? Tod William Lau wrote: This phony accusation is perpetrated by lowering the amount of lead allowed in a human each year until a crisis is imagined. Some lead is normal in humans. Compare the current levels with 1920 and see where we are at. Lead is in the ground to start with where water can leach across it forever. Global warming --- No global cooling--- no, warming -- cooling --warming. Whatever, just be scared because the sky is falling. Tod I would bet money you are virulently anti second amendment also. -- Bill -- Tod said By one account, 32% of the children in LA are lead-poisoned. Lead is a particularly nasty substance, once it gets into the environment because it is difficult to remove and can find its way into our bodies in numerous ways. The negative effects on the neurological system, including the brain, are long-term and irreversible. By one account, 32% of the children in LA are lead-poisoned. from the lead in gasoline, paint, dust and soil containing lead, drinking water (from lead pipes and solder), incinerated print and paper products and lead batteries, to name just a few. By one account, 32% of the children in LA are lead-poisoned. Maine and other states have passed laws to ban the use of lead weights for fishing due to the effect on bird populations (like Loons) that tend to ingest the weights. You can make light of the situation and joke around about not eating your balance weights but this is not really something to disregard. Brain damage is not funny, even if you are talking about Congress and the present Administration. Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 13:39:25 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:39:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lead Weights 13th abolishment of slavery 19th women's voting rights You're kidding right????? -- Bill -- Bill: It's not 1920 any more. Maybe there is some valid research behind the changes? But, if you think that it is all a gigantic conspiracy, that doesn't matter, does it? BTW, how do you feel about the 13th and 19th Amendments? Tod William Lau wrote: This phony accusation is perpetrated by lowering the amount of lead allowed in a human each year until a crisis is imagined. Some lead is normal in humans. Compare the current levels with 1920 and see where we are at. Lead is in the ground to start with where water can leach across it forever. Global warming --- No global cooling--- no, warming -- cooling --warming. Whatever, just be scared because the sky is falling. Tod I would bet money you are virulently anti second amendment also. -- Bill -- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 13:41:57 2008 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:40:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Not Tiger related, Thanks to everyone who contacted me off list to discuss the problems with the Chevy transmission...your comments are really helping me get my eyes focused on where to look for a problem, or a way to think about a solution. Oh...and although the 15 guys that emailed me back didn't seem to mind, sorry to anyone who does mind that I addressed the list with a non Tiger related topic...I didn't know it was such a sensitive issue. Thanks! Cullen 1452 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 14:34:33 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Chilling Friday Video Well with all this heated discussion on lead, how about a nice cool video to change the mood. While not quite as fun as the R5 Turbo Video, this on is amusing unless you have seasons with snow... http://www.motorator.com/videos/394 Enjoy Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 16:19:17 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Brock Tella'" , Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:19:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk lock No, do not drill out the rivets The lock comes out the back side. Disassemble the push rod and the parts on the back side to remove the tumbler. It may be easiest to pull the whole lock assembly out of the car before you try to remove the tumbler. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brock Tella Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 3:22 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Trunk lock I searched everywhere but could not find the answer. I ordered a new tumbler and keys but can not figure out how to replace it. Do the rivets holding the chrome assembly to the metal latch have to be drilled out? Any advice would be appreciated. Sent from my laptop located in my kitchen. ____________________________________________________________ Find the medical school that's right for you. Click to request info today. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oIq84bnlHX3kZJkhxpmKArtV0 XdCnIqyvrwQKrkfMFomphA/ You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1627 - Release Date: 8/22/2008 6:48 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 17:17:25 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Brock Tella'" , Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:17:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk lock I just pulled the trunk lock assembly I took apart. I was wrong the rivets have to be drilled out to replace the tumbler. There is a spring in there so you need to be careful when you drill the rivets; use a clamp to hold the chrome piece to the assembly. The threaded rod threads into the base of the tumbler through a keyed spacer which slides through the key way on the sheet metal assembly under the chrome outer part. Hope that helps now. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Brock Tella [mailto:brockctella@juno.com] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:51 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk lock Ron,thanks for the help. I got all three of the"nuts" off but the tumbler still will not come out.Its attached to the threaded rod, Any ideas/ thanks On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:19:13 -0400 " Ron Fraser" writes: > No, do not drill out the rivets > > The lock comes out the back side. > > Disassemble the push rod and the parts on the back side to remove > the > tumbler. > > It may be easiest to pull the whole lock assembly out of the car > before you > try to remove the tumbler. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of > Brock Tella > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 3:22 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Trunk lock > > > I searched everywhere but could not find the answer. > I ordered a new tumbler and keys but can not figure out how to > replace it. > Do the rivets holding the chrome assembly to the metal latch have to > be > drilled out? Any advice would be appreciated. Sent from my laptop > located in > my kitchen. > ____________________________________________________________ > Find the medical school that's right for you. 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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1627 - Release Date: 8/22/2008 6:48 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 17:39:01 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:38:45 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] SPEED TV & Tigers Tigers, I am sure most of you know about the Cable TV channel SPEED, and it's "101 Cars You must Drive!" series. Well, tonight's the night! At least on the West Coast, when you can see the episode "A Bit of All Right" featuring the MG-A and the *_Sunbeam Tiger_* ! On Channel 266 (at least on Time-Warner Cable) it is on Sunday at 5:30PM PDT and again on Monday at 1:30 PM PDT. There are many other episodes, seemingly in order, with Cars from "Pulp Fiction", "Bond, Blowers, Buick's, etc.", "Edsel and Ferrari Dino", Meyer's Manx "Playing in the Dirt", "Party over where?", "Wankel's and Wankers", and "The Bird is the Word", "Just Here for the Sex" (cars), and "Street Racing Then and Now". All following each other. Half-hour shows. "See it, Record it, or Regret it!" Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 18:16:29 2008 From: "DERRICK SCHMIDT" To: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:20:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) Try a youth sports discussion board some time if you want to get tangential! Most keyboards have more than one delete key. Derrick ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Randy Zimmermann Reply-To: zimme008@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:01:40 -0700 (PDT) >I don't know why this needs to be said yet again but apparently it does: > >This is a list about Sunbeam cars and Tigers in particular! ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.starstream.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 19:36:02 2008 From: Stephen Waybright To: tigers@autox.team.net, Steve Laifman Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] SPEED TV & Tigers If you have DirecTV, I have found that the episode listing has not matched the actual content of 101 cars... yet. Fortunately I was recording all episodes and got the one with the Tiger under the episode listed for Edsels and the Ferrri Dino. --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Steve Laifman wrote: > From: Steve Laifman > Subject: [Tigers] SPEED TV & Tigers > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 7:38 PM > Tigers, > > I am sure most of you know about the Cable TV channel > SPEED, and it's > "101 Cars You must Drive!" series. > > Well, tonight's the night! At least on the West Coast, > when you can see > the episode "A Bit of All Right" featuring the > MG-A and the *_Sunbeam > Tiger_* ! > > On Channel 266 (at least on Time-Warner Cable) it is on > Sunday at 5:30PM > PDT and again on Monday at 1:30 PM PDT. > > There are many other episodes, seemingly in order, with > Cars from "Pulp > Fiction", "Bond, Blowers, Buick's, > etc.", "Edsel and Ferrari Dino", > Meyer's Manx "Playing in the Dirt", > "Party over where?", "Wankel's and > Wankers", and "The Bird is the Word", > "Just Here for the Sex" (cars), > and "Street Racing Then and Now". All following > each other. Half-hour > shows. > > "See it, Record it, or Regret it!" > > Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 19:48:51 2008 From: "Steve Coleman" To: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:49:04 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Sunbeam Cars I was in Borders and they have a new mag called Retro Cars from England, they have a modified Sunbeam Stiletto on the cover, inside they have a good spread on it, very supped up. http://www.retrocarsmag.com/ Also there is a big article on Hillman Avenger Tigers and Sunbeam Lotus, I found these for sale. http://www.motorbase.com/profiles/vehicle/picture.ehtml?i=911454851;p=199496 4632 SC _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 20:02:59 2008 From: Chris Thompson To: glowboy@starstream.net Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:02:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) It starts with the delete key and the next step is unsub$cribe. I don't mind the discussion of lead, but when it gets into the politics of it, you're sure to really piss off half of the group regardless of your position. We're already fragmented enough without forming separate left-wing and right-wing Tiger lists. Let's stay focused here or I'll be yet another lister to unsub$cribe.... Chris DERRICK SCHMIDT wrote: > Most keyboards have more than one delete key. > > Derrick _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 21:34:52 2008 From: Landcmitch@aol.com To: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com, sganz@pacbell.net Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:34:02 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Monterey Auctions I see that the Tiger sold for $71,500. Do we hope that this is a trend? Charlie In a message dated 8/18/2008 11:21:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com writes: Sandy, & Tigers, The Russo and Steele auction lists a 1965 Tiger (VIN: B9470741) and can be seen at their site: Tiger at Russo and Steele The R&M Monterey Auction does not list a Sunbeam, but the auction entries and prices can be seen at: RM Monterey Auction Results Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Sandy Ganz wrote: > Just pulled back in from Monterey, and saw a Tiger that didn't sell at auction. I think the Reserve was 75K, and it got into the low 60's. I'm a bit fuzzy as It's late, I have some pics of it as well. > Sandy You are subscribed as landcmitch@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 22:28:21 2008 From: "Mike Michels" To: "Jeffrey Nichols" , Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:27:57 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers and lack of discussion I couldn't agree more. Let's stick to Tiger topics, please. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and lack of discussion > "I don't know why this needs to be said yet again but apparently it does: > > This is a list about Sunbeam cars and Tigers in particular! There are > plenty > of alternate channels in cyberspace to exchange views on the bigger issues > of > the day. Personally, it spoils the beginning of my day to have to read > messages like this below. Call it selfish of me, but I own my Tiger for > pleasure and subscribe to this list for the exchange of information about > maintaining and continuing to derive pleasure from this unique Sunbeam > car." > > > I agree, lets talk about TAC or that S.O.B. Carroll Shelby or Algers or > resto-mod versus original or which part vendors suck or ...........? And > forget about Liberal wienies or tree hugging Greenies or Conservative > selfish > meanies! > > > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mmichels@socal.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 23 05:35:08 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Sandy Ganz" Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:35:11 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chilling Friday Video speaking of which, that video prodded me into action and after a couple of weeks of research i test drove an r5 turbo2 this morning. its a truly amazing car - i've never driven anything so fast through corners. this was a very original car with the factory 185hp upgrade. i'm probably going to buy it, but i'm looking at a couple of others next week. there are only 50 of them in the UK. On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Sandy Ganz wrote: > Well with all this heated discussion on lead, how about a nice cool video to change the mood. While not quite as fun as the R5 Turbo Video, this on is amusing unless you have seasons with snow... > http://www.motorator.com/videos/394 > Enjoy > Sandy > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 23 07:44:58 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:45:01 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Vibration report I wrote a few days ago on a vibration that I felt after installing new wheels/tires on my car. I put my old wheels/tires back on and vibration gone. That was a relief. At least the problem was narrowed to the wheels and not something in the engine or drivetrain. I took the wheels back to Tire Warehouse for rechecking. They found that the 2 rear tires were out of round...factory defects. I called Tire Rack where I purchased them and they are shipping replacements, no questions asked. The tires were mid range Kumho's. A note on the balancing.....the local Tire Warehouse has, what I have heard, is one of the best machines going....Hunter #9700. Of course the machine isn't any better than the person operating it. Must be that the first balancer just wasn't careful or he would have found the problems when he first did them. Yesterday I was able to stand there and watch the rebalancing. The Hunter machine has a gauge to measure any irregularities of the wheel, both side to side problems and wheel roundness. The machine also has a roller that goes against the wheel to check the roundness of the tire. It puts pressure against the tire and the wheel, in a perfect tire, will "feel" uniform pressure around the entire circumference of the tire. Non are perfect so there is an accepted allowance for variance of 26 lb.. Under this amount and the machines computer shows a graph and says OK. Over this it shows the reading and FAIL. One of my rear tires read 34 lb. and the other 29 lb. One of my fronts was at 24 lb. and the guy said not to worry. It was acceptable and very common. I was told that one of the few tires that came through as being as close to perfect as possible was Michelin. Apparently they do some hand trimming and balancing before they leave the factory? Okay, so that's what I learned about my vibration and the Hunter balancer. Now it's just waiting for the replacement tires. And, by the way, Tire Rack is covering the cost of shipping the new tires and the cost of picking up the defective ones. Sounds like I have to eat the cost of 2 new remounting and balancing. Mark L. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 23 11:17:36 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:17:22 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration report Mark, Glad to hear the probelem was resolved. I have been happy to be a Tire Rack customer myself. I'm curious, did the shop have a tire lathe? I can't say I have seen the service offered most places, but then buying tires isn't something I do everyday. Y-e-a-r-s ago there was a place in Pasadena called "Caldwell Tire" that would true up the tire once it was mounted (for a fee). I silently questioned their rational that removing tread actually prolonged tire life - especially since the tire flexed and has a near flat contact patch with the road. But who knows. Flat spots can be hard to see, but sure can be felt. I bought a set of wheels/tires at Pick A Part recently for my Turbo Pinto. Seemed like a good deal until I drove on the tires. Running the pressure low and trying to squeeze the flat spot out didn't work, nor did over inflating them. Being cheap like I am, I jacked the back of my car and with the wheel spinning heald my power planner to it. Well..., it made for a lot of thin rubber debris, but I still had the "thwamp." As a side note to "lead weights:" I remember years ago when horizontal bubble levels were used for balancing that the guy would move the tire around the rim BEFORE mounting to minimize the amount of weights needed. With most modern balances that hold the tire vertical I doubt they do it now. Tom Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1629 - Release Date: 8/23/2008 1:16 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 23 11:47:40 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: atwittsend@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:47:31 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration report Tom, I don't think this place had any kind of a lathe to trim the tires. If they did I wouldn't want them trimming off new tires for me. Supposedly if they are less than 26lb.off then you shouldn't feel anything until you get over 100mph. Guess I'll have to remember that:-) I remember the old rayon tires would develop flat spots especially if they were parked suddenly when they were very hot. Supposedly you had to get them up to the same previous temp. and let them cool gradually to get the flat spot out. I've heard that idea more than once, but never got into it. I still have one of those bubble levels and a selection of those dreaded lead weights. They could get things a little close, but nothing near the accuracy of today's machines. M **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 23 12:55:59 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Thomas Witt Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:55:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Vibration report Tom & Mark, "Back-in-the-day", as they now say, my 1954 Jaguar XK120M had finally wore down the Dunlop treads after 10K miles. I had them re-capped with the original "*Dunlop Racing*" block tread. They had a tire lathe they used to round the tire, as most retreads (and some new tires) were not actually round! When I left, and got on the freeway, I heard sirens behind me. Well, either I'm going to get a ticket again (cops hated sports cars) or there is a fire ahead. To my surprise the emergency vehicles did not come by, but appeared to be going at freeway speed. I found out that as I slowed down to exit, the sirens faded into the distance! Well, I found out that the "sirens" were my "block racing treads" tires screaming on the road! :-D (lol) Lasted a lot longer than the original "natural rubber" tire tread, and rode smoothly if you ignore the sirens! While I do not recommend retreads, many new tires aren't round, so it is worthwhile to make them "round" with a lathe. The miles you lose to tread removal are nothing compared to an unbalance able wheel wear. My "Michelin X" radials (later) were really good. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Thomas Witt wrote: > Mark, > <--- snip ---> > > Flat spots can be hard to see, but sure can be felt. I bought a set of > wheels/tires at Pick A Part recently for my Turbo Pinto. Seemed like a good > deal until I drove on the tires. Running the pressure low and trying to > squeeze the flat spot out didn't work, nor did over inflating them. Being > cheap like I am, I jacked the back of my car and with the wheel spinning > heald my power planner to it. Well..., it made for a lot of thin rubber > debris, but I still had the "thwamp." > > As a side note to "lead weights:" I remember years ago when horizontal > bubble levels were used for balancing that the guy would move the tire > around the rim BEFORE mounting to minimize the amount of weights needed. > With most modern balances that hold the tire vertical I doubt they do it > now. > Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 23 13:01:57 2008 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:01:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] R5 Turbo "speaking of which, that video prodded me into action and after a couple of weeks of research i test drove an r5 turbo2 this morning. its a truly amazing car - i've never driven anything so fast through corners. this was a very original car with the factory 185hp upgrade. i'm probably going to buy it, but i'm looking at a couple of others next week. there are only 50 of them in the UK." Is that the Renault turbo Le Car(as it was known in the USA) ? I hope its better than the Renault Fuego Turbo I had back in the 80's. That car was a complete piece of *&%! The year I owned it it was one disaster after another. Timing chain slipped, turbo burned out, refused to start for two days straight and then mysteriously started up and had to cancel the tow truck ready to haul it to the dealer, muti-speed wiper decided it was a one speed wiper that parked randomly on the window when shut off., parking brake light went on for no apparent reason....etc. Had to buy another car and spent two months trying to sell the Fuego. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 23 13:07:48 2008 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:07:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tire Balance the late model Hunter machines will also do a "matched Balance" you balance the Wheel along first, then mount the tire and check balance, if weight is excessive it will tell you how to ro tate the tire on the wheel to obtain the best match between tire and wheel, this can be time consuming, thus expensive, but I have found it worth the time, but I have my own machine, we do a lot of this for sensitive BMW front ends...I have also seen where cars that aren't driven daily the tires get a temporary flat spot from sitting in one place, if this happens inflate to 60 psi or so and leave in the hot sun, then drive....when the flat spot levels out deflate to proper pressure...tires with any nylon cords can be very prone to this....all cars using after market wheels will be prone to careful mounting because they are not hub centric...I'm going to make sleaves for my Mini Lites, for now I have installed them with the cone shaped regular lug nuts and then rpl'g one at atime with the shouldered correct nuts, this helps, but isn't perfect...it's frustating because the wheels and tires are perfectly straight and have balanced nicely, but when rotated slowly on the car you can see a small amount of run out, thus some vibration at certain speeds...Clyde _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 23 13:13:51 2008 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:13:51 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Russo Steele Tiger Early afternnon Friday I got a phone call from John Bemmis at Russo to see if I was interested in the car. I had contacted them to register as a phone bidder for that car. I told John I had since purchased another car. This deal must have happened late yesterday. Steve I see that the Tiger sold for $71,500. Do we hope that this is a trend? Charlie In a message dated 8/18/2008 11:21:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com writes: Sandy, & Tigers, The Russo and Steele auction lists a 1965 Tiger (VIN: B9470741) and can be seen at their site: Tiger at Russo and Steele The R&M Monterey Auction does not list a Sunbeam, but the auction entries and prices can be seen at: RM Monterey Auction Results _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 23 13:30:27 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Jeffrey Nichols" Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:30:26 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] R5 Turbo oh, yes, they were terrible indeed. yes, it was called the le car turbo sometimes in the us although it was never officially sold there and none were badged 'le car'. its really nothing like a normal renault 5 (le car) at all. they were hand made by renault sport in dieppe and they only made a few thousand, initially just to homologate it as a group 4 / group b rally car. the engine came out of the renault formula 1 development program and is mid mounted driving the rear wheels through a 5 speed transaxle. its about 10" wider than a normal renault 5 and all the suspension and rear subframe looks like a hand made race car. they had between 160 and 350 hp from that little 1.4l 4 cylinder, weigh well under 1000kg and can pull about 1G through a corner. the works group B cars with the 350hp motors were called the 'maxi'. so its quite a little beast! On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Jeffrey Nichols wrote: > "speaking of which, that video prodded me into action and after a > couple of weeks of research i test drove an r5 turbo2 this morning. > its a truly amazing car - i've never driven anything so fast through > corners. this was a very original car with the factory 185hp upgrade. > i'm probably going to buy it, but i'm looking at a couple of others > next week. there are only 50 of them in the UK." > > > Is that the Renault turbo Le Car(as it was known in the USA) ? I hope its > better than the Renault Fuego Turbo I had back in the 80's. That car was a > complete piece of *&%! The year I owned it it was one disaster after > another. Timing chain slipped, turbo burned out, refused to start for two > days straight and then mysteriously started up and had to cancel the tow > truck ready to haul it to the dealer, muti-speed wiper decided it was a one > speed wiper that parked randomly on the window when shut off., parking > brake light went on for no apparent reason....etc. Had to buy another car > and spent two months trying to sell the Fuego. > > > > Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 23 13:53:33 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:53:27 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Purple Cow "/I've never seen a purple car, I never hope to see one, But I can tell you, anyhow, I'd rather see than be one./" If you desire to see what I'm talking about: 1966 Sunbeam Tiger Hardtop In any event, the web site "Serious Wheels " is worth browsing through. Great Pics. Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 23 14:02:56 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:02:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Purple Cow Weren't some of the Dodges in the early 70's purple? -- Bill -- "/I've never seen a purple car, I never hope to see one, But I can tell you, anyhow, I'd rather see than be one./" If you desire to see what I'm talking about: 1966 Sunbeam Tiger Hardtop In any event, the web site "Serious Wheels " is worth browsing through. Great Pics. Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 23 14:11:33 2008 From: "Frank P. Marrone" To: "'William Lau'" , Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:11:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Purple Cow There were some factory purple cars produced in the early 70's. I have a "Black Orchid" '72 MGB-GT. Black Orchid is really a dark or deep purple (pun intended). Believe it or not because of the color these "Black Orchid" cars are slightly more desirable than the same car in other colors, at least by some collectors. Frank in Cloverdale > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+itswonderful=comcast.net@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+itswonderful=comcast.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of William Lau > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 1:03 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Purple Cow > > Weren't some of the Dodges in the early 70's purple? -- Bill -- > > "/I've never seen a purple car, > I never hope to see one, > But I can tell you, anyhow, > I'd rather see than be one./" > > If you desire to see what I'm talking about: > > 1966 Sunbeam Tiger Hardtop > FA > .htm> > > In any event, the web site "Serious Wheels > " is worth browsing through. > Great Pics. > > Steve > > -- > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as itswonderful@comcast.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 23 14:12:57 2008 From: "Frank P. Marrone" To: "'William Lau'" , Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:13:08 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Purple Cow Sorry, "Black Tulip" is the color. Keeping pretty busy today, sorry about that. Frank There were some factory purple cars produced in the early 70's. I have a "Black Orchid" '72 MGB-GT. Black Orchid is really a dark or deep purple (pun intended). Believe it or not because of the color these "Black Orchid" cars are slightly more desirable than the same car in other colors, at least by some collectors. Frank in Cloverdale > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+itswonderful=comcast.net@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+itswonderful=comcast.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of William Lau > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 1:03 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Purple Cow > > Weren't some of the Dodges in the early 70's purple? -- Bill -- > > "/I've never seen a purple car, > I never hope to see one, > But I can tell you, anyhow, > I'd rather see than be one./" > > If you desire to see what I'm talking about: > > 1966 Sunbeam Tiger Hardtop > FA > .htm> > > In any event, the web site "Serious Wheels > " is worth browsing through. > Great Pics. > > Steve > > -- > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as itswonderful@comcast.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 23 15:22:02 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:20:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Purple Cow Sorry that the "hot link" was incorrectly underscored by the "List" protocol. Underscore all below, and past it into your browser: Should include the end "-FA.htm" if this one is "cropped too. ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Laifman wrote: > "/I've never seen a purple car, > I never hope to see one, > But I can tell you, anyhow, > I'd rather see than be one./" > > If you desire to see what I'm talking about: > > 1966 Sunbeam Tiger Hardtop > > > In any event, the web site "Serious Wheels > " is worth browsing through. > Great Pics. > > Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 23 15:28:40 2008 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: clydemclaughlin@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:28:33 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Balance Have pity on us LAT 9 owners. No center hole makes balanceing a chore. Good luck finding someone to do it. My guy in Chicago still has strobe lights and spins them on the cars. Spins the front with a machine and jacks the rear and spins the rear with the motor. Front are balanced at about 110. Rears are at 55 since I don't have positraction. Perfect balance. All other spin balancers won't grab the LAT-9. You can watch when he spins the front tire and watch the fender shake. When he's done, you can put a glass of water on the fender and its like a glass lake. The Mopar nut and WPC member has pity on us Pentssatr drivers and only charges $10 a wheel. Yes he used lead weight. I hope he lives forever. Bill Meisner, Meisner Alignment in Glen Ellyn, IL. Dave with balanced LAT-9's In a message dated 8/23/2008 2:08:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, clydemclaughlin@verizon.net writes: the late model Hunter machines will also do a "matched Balance" you balance the Wheel along first, then mount the tire and check balance, if weight is excessive it will tell you how to ro tate the tire on the wheel to obtain the best match between tire and wheel, this can be time consuming, thus expensive, but I have found it worth the time, but I have my own machine, we do a lot of this for sensitive BMW front ends...I have also seen where cars that aren't driven daily the tires get a temporary flat spot from sitting in one place, if this happens inflate to 60 psi or so and leave in the hot sun, then drive....when the flat spot levels out deflate to proper pressure...tires with any nylon cords can be very prone to this....all cars using after market wheels will be prone to careful mounting because they are not hub centric...I'm going to make sleaves for my Mini Lites, for now I have installed them with the cone shaped regular lug nuts and then rpl'g one at atime with the shouldered correct nuts, this helps, but isn't perfect...it's frustating because the wheels and tires are perfectly straight and have balanced nicely, but when rotated slowly on the car you can see a small amount of run out, thus some vibration at certain speeds...Clyde You are subscribed as djoh797014@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. 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(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 23 15:54:24 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: Tiger's Den , Steve Laifman Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Purple Cow The color isnt so bad but the rear view mirror thats glued to the windshield is more desireable.TtT --- On Sat, 8/23/08, Steve Laifman wrote: > From: Steve Laifman > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Purple Cow > To: "Tiger's Den" > Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 4:20 PM > Sorry that the "hot link" was incorrectly > underscored by the "List" > protocol. > > Underscore all below, and past it into your browser: > > > > Should include the end "-FA.htm" if this one is > "cropped too. > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > Steve Laifman wrote: > > "/I've never seen a purple car, > > I never hope to see one, > > But I can tell you, anyhow, > > I'd rather see than be one./" > > > > If you desire to see what I'm talking about: > > > > 1966 Sunbeam Tiger Hardtop > > > > > > > In any event, the web site "Serious Wheels > > " > is worth browsing through. > > Great Pics. > > > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 23 16:14:06 2008 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: achd73@yahoo.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:14:10 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Purple Cow The best part is the Purple tow tabs. In a message dated 8/23/2008 2:55:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, achd73@yahoo.com writes: http://www.seriouswheels.com/1960-1969/1966-Sunbeam-Tiger-Hardtop-Purple-FA.ht m **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 23 17:36:46 2008 From: "Jerry" To: , , Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:33:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Purple Cow Yea, the tow tabs with the rebar to connect then. Real classy. Jerry -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of AAAGLASSS@aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 5:14 PM To: achd73@yahoo.com; tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Purple Cow The best part is the Purple tow tabs. In a message dated 8/23/2008 2:55:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, achd73@yahoo.com writes: http://www.seriouswheels.com/1960-1969/1966-Sunbeam-Tiger-Hardtop-Purple-FA. ht m **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) You are subscribed as jcmc2006@suddenlink.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 23 19:57:49 2008 From: Dick Barker To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:57:05 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Purple Cow In a message dated Sat. 23 Aug 2008, Steve Laifman wrote: "I've never seen a purple car, I never hope to see one, But I can tell you, anyhow, I'd rather see than be one." ---------- Check these pages on Norm Miller's "Rootes One" website to see my candidate for what was once the most tasteless purple Tiger ever! http://www.rootes1.com/index.asp http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/protos/proto-3.htm Thanks Mr. Kambourian! X;{ Dick _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 23 20:08:48 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:08:45 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Hood scoop and cooling holes For some time I've wanted to experiment with different scoops and cooling holes in a hood. I've never wanted to start hacking up my original hood. Now I've acquired a proper square corner Alpine that I can play with and not feel guilty. So, I'm thinking that there has to be something better than the LAT hood for cooling. I'm trying to remember back to some of the information that been passed on about this subject. If I remember the information correctly, the LAT scoop will not really bring in much fresh air because it's at a low pressure area of the car. It might help more as a means of releasing under hood hot air. I don't know what the pressure area is where the hood meets the cowl in front of the windshield, but if I leave my hood propped open about an inch I don't see much difference at all in engine temperature. So it makes me wonder how much air is escaping. I'd like something that doesn't look too outrageous, but still might help in cooling. My thought has been a scoop about twice as wide at the LAT, but maybe a little lower....resulting in about 50% more open area. Also I'm wondering if an almost equal sized hole at the rear of the scoop would help. Seems like I remember from science class something about the Bernoulli (sp?) effect. Air coming in the front of the scoop and passing out the rear would create a low pressure inside of the scoop and suck air out of the engine compartment? But, if the front of the scoop is really a low pressure area, how much air will really pass through? So, if you were starting with a clean slate and a hood that you weren't worried about and still wanted something that looked sort of period correct, what would you design that might help in cooling? Mark L **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Aug 23 20:48:22 2008 From: Dick Barker To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:48:23 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Redux: Purple Cow Apparently the links were faulty in my previous message regarding a purple Tiger. Try these links to see what was once the most tasteless purple Tiger ever: http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/pieces/tech1e.htm http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/protos/proto-3.htm Again, my thanks to Ron Kambourian. Dick _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 00:05:06 2008 From: "Steve Ralsten" To: Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:05:10 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Re Purple cow I had a 92 Vette in factory color "black rose" Really nice deep purple color sort of a metallic eggplant. Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 06:48:58 2008 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: , Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:48:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hood scoop and cooling holes >From what I have read out there about cooling issues regarding the tiger it's not about venting the engine compartment more. The Tigers United 'cool it buddy' seemed pretty right on. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 08:01:29 2008 From: jhef101@aol.com To: CoolVT@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:01:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hood scoop and cooling holes Mark, ??????? 10 years ago when I was running mine on the Arizona portion of RT. 66 during the early summer I experimented a bit and found that cracking my hood open about 2" would drop the temperature about 15-20 deg against an ambient of around 90-95 deg. I also blocked any holes in the radiator support that could be leaking air and creating a flow problem around the radiator. My radiator then and now is a Ron Davis Racing products aluminum unit. Best, Jeff Hefner B9470028 -----Original Message----- From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:08 pm Subject: [Tigers] Hood scoop and cooling holes For some time I've wanted to experiment with different scoops and cooling holes in a hood. I've never wanted to start hacking up my original hood. Now I've acquired a proper square corner Alpine that I can play with and not feel guilty. So, I'm thinking that there has to be something better than the LAT hood for cooling. I'm trying to remember back to some of the information that been passed on about this subject. If I remember the information correctly, the LAT scoop will not really bring in much fresh air because it's at a low pressure area of the car. It might help more as a means of releasing under hood hot air. I don't know what the pressure area is where the hood meets the cowl in front of the windshield, but if I leave my hood propped open about an inch I don't see much difference at all in engine temperature. So it makes me wonder how much air is escaping. I'd like something that doesn't look too outrageous, but still might help in cooling. My thought has been a scoop about twice as wide at the LAT, but maybe a little lower....resulting in about 50% more open area. Also I'm wondering if an almost equal sized hole at the rear of the scoop would help. Seems like I remember from science class something about the Bernoulli (sp?) effect. Air coming in the front of the scoop and passing out the rear would create a low pressure inside of the scoop and suck air out of the engine compartment? But, if the front of the scoop is really a low pressure area, how much air will really pass through? So, if you were starting with a clean slate and a hood that you weren't worried about and still wanted something that looked sort of period correct, what would you design that might help in cooling? Mark L **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) You are subscribed as jhef101@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 09:24:04 2008 From: Randy Smith To: Tiger List Serve Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:20:51 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Seat Handle Does anyone have a source for the handles on the stock seat back tilt levers? My handles are missing. Rick at Sunbeam Specialties says he doesn't know any place to get them. Thanks for any help- Randy -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ@cs.com Tiger- B382000189 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 12:49:54 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] L.A. Shelby Club Willowsprings Event The L.A. Shelby Club is hosting the Annual Streets of Willow event. It is Septemeber 27th and 28th Great event for this that are local to the Los Angeles Area. Cost is $195 for members, $205 for non. Space always limited and the best group to run with if you don't want to beat your car and have a good 2 days of driving. Check out the Club Site at www.lasaac.org, If down, I posted a link the PDF application off my Site just incase their site gets hacked again... Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 13:10:18 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'William Lau'" , Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:09:02 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Purple Cow Bill 1970 & 71 Plum Crazy is the name of the color. I know a MoPar guy who has an AAR Cuda that color. Also in those years color line up for Dodge are; Sublime, Green Go, Go Mango, Panther Pink, Hemi Orange and Top Banana Yellow. All the car manufactures had colorful names for some of there paints those years, AMC had Big Bad colors, Ford had Grabber colors, Chevy had Race Track names for colors; LeMans Blue, Daytona Yellow, Riverside Gold, to name just a few. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Lau Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 4:03 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Purple Cow Weren't some of the Dodges in the early 70's purple? -- Bill -- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 14:14:30 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:13:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Purple Cow I never cared much for those colors but might have been too old to appreciate them at the time. I'll bet that AAR Cuda is even more valuable at this time because of its color. -- Bill -- Bill 1970 & 71 Plum Crazy is the name of the color. I know a MoPar guy who has an AAR Cuda that color. Also in those years color line up for Dodge are; Sublime, Green Go, Go Mango, Panther Pink, Hemi Orange and Top Banana Yellow. All the car manufactures had colorful names for some of there paints those years, AMC had Big Bad colors, Ford had Grabber colors, Chevy had Race Track names for colors; LeMans Blue, Daytona Yellow, Riverside Gold, to name just a few. Ron Fraser Weren't some of the Dodges in the early 70's purple? -- Bill -- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 16:02:45 2008 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:02:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Purple Cow I had never seen a purple Tiger And hoped I'd never see one. But I'd rather see a purple Tiger than Not see a Tiger, ever, again. I least some one likes it enough to paint it and wash it and drive it and maintain it and show it to other people. And even if the tow hooks are purple, at least he takes it places. A. C. Tynes New Orleans _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 16:52:38 2008 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: , Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:52:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Purple Cow Amen to that.... ;) Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 17:30:17 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Randy Smith'" , "'Tiger List Serve'" Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:29:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Seat Handle Randy I'm pretty sure you will need to find a used part for this one. Don't over look the possibility that an MG or other British car might have a handle that would work. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randy Smith Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 11:21 AM To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Seat Handle Does anyone have a source for the handles on the stock seat back tilt levers? My handles are missing. Rick at Sunbeam Specialties says he doesn't know any place to get them. Thanks for any help- Randy -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ@cs.com Tiger- B382000189 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1631 - Release Date: 8/24/2008 12:15 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 18:36:35 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: 'Randy Smith' , 'Tiger List Serve' Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Seat Handle Randy- are you asking about the rubber/plastic piece that you grip when adjusting the seat back or the adjuster to slide the seat/ TtT --- On Sun, 8/24/08, Ron Fraser wrote: > From: Ron Fraser > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Seat Handle > To: "'Randy Smith'" , "'Tiger List Serve'" > Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 6:29 PM > Randy > I'm pretty sure you will need to find a used part for > this one. > Don't over look the possibility that an MG or other > British car might have a > handle that would work. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of > Randy Smith > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 11:21 AM > To: Tiger List Serve > Subject: [Tigers] Seat Handle > > > Does anyone have a source for the handles on the stock seat > back tilt > levers? My handles are missing. Rick at Sunbeam > Specialties says he > doesn't know any place to get them. > > Thanks for any help- Randy > -- > > Randy Smith > INNER QUEST, Inc. > 34752 Charles Town Pike > Purcellville, VA 20132 > 703-478-1078 > 540-668-6699 > 540-668-6253 fax > > InnerQuestOnline.com > > RSSmithIQ@cs.com > Tiger- B382000189 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1631 - Release > Date: 8/24/2008 > 12:15 PM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 18:41:56 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, "A. C. Tynes" Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:41:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Purple Cow Well said Sir! TtT --- On Sun, 8/24/08, A. C. Tynes wrote: > From: A. C. Tynes > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Purple Cow > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 5:02 PM > I had never seen a purple Tiger > And hoped I'd never see one. > But I'd rather see a purple Tiger than > Not see a Tiger, ever, again. > > > I least some one likes it enough to paint it and wash it > and drive it and > maintain it and show it to other people. And even if the > tow hooks are > purple, at least he takes it places. > > A. C. Tynes > New Orleans > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 18:55:10 2008 From: Dave Munroe To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net, Steve Laifman Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:55:03 -0300 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cooling Problem Redux Thanks to all who offered help with my overheating Tiger. Unfortunately, I had already purchased an alloy rad from a California Tiger owner, so I couldn't take advantage of many suggestions to recore my stock rad. I had also purchased a Miloden "stock replacement" water pump, and some other goodies including an 11" electric pusher fan, a plastic 14" ridgid 4-blade fan and a thermo with manual over-ride switch kit and a relay. I had a h*ll of a job to get the 3/4 inch thicker alloy rad into the car. The bottom of the rad interfered with the steering rack, and above it contacted the end of the Miloden water pump shaft. Against advice and perhaps better judgement, I was able to move the lower end of the rad mount about an inch without distorting anything important or visable, which allowed the rad to slide down in front of the rack. But the new water pump was just too much longer to safely squeeze into the available space. So I refitted my original pump, which in fact is in pretty good shape, and gave me the clearance I need. I installed the new 14" fan, and measuring the distance between the blades and the steering rack, there is no way I could put a 15" fan in there without contact. So it \ looks like my engine is lower than spec as has been suggested by some of you, with a recommendation to slide some washer-shims into the engine mounts to gain back some height. Maybe this winter.... The electric pusher fan went in like it came from the factory, as did the switches, wire, relays and wire harness. They work also, like gangbusters. The original shroud even went back in, although I have left the recommended fabrication of a piece to close the loop on the shroud to 360 deg of coverage, also until later. The result? Awesome! I have been road testing the new set-up for about three days, and have yet to see the temp gauge rise over 180 deg. Fortunately for me, I don't have to contend with SoCal or Arizona temperatures here in Nova Scotia, so I don't need to go to the heroic efforts required in 100/110+ temperatures ( But its a DRY heat!) so now I have to replace that 180 deg thermostat with a 190 and enjoy the success of this project. Some unforseen benefits: I have picked up about 10 psi of oil pressure when "hot" ( about 50 psi now at cruising speed of 60-70mph) The engine is much quieter, and the heat intrusion through the firewall and floor has virtually disappeared. Many thanks to all. Life is good in a cool Tiger! Dave Munroe in Nova Scotia _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 25 05:45:32 2008 From: "Alvin Johnson" To: , Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:42:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hood scoop and cooling holes I don't know if it helped cooling, but it sure looked cool. I mirrored the louver pattern illustrated in Chittenden's "Performance Tuning the Sunbeam Tiger." At the time I did it, my Tiger had become a fair-weather only car, so the engine compartment didn't get messed from bad weather. Al J _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 25 07:49:29 2008 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: v8tracker@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:49:35 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Purple Cow The owner of the "Purple Cow" is a fellow in New York state. He has owned the car since new and drag raced it in the early - mid 70's. He's now in his mid-70's, but gets to as many shows and meets as he can. I believe he drives the car every day. Drag racing explains the tow tabs. The color is obviously a personal choice, but it does draw a crowd. Fred Baum 9470768 **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 25 08:08:06 2008 From: Randy Smith To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:08:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Purple Cow I remember seeing this car. It was at TE/AE United several years ago when it was held in Harrisburg, PA. Definitely set up in a drag race style as I remember. -Randy FHSLOTH13@aol.com wrote: > The owner of the "Purple Cow" is a fellow in New York state. He has owned > the car since new and drag raced it in the early - mid 70's. > > He's now in his mid-70's, but gets to as many shows and meets as he can. I > believe he drives the car every day. > > Drag racing explains the tow tabs. > > The color is obviously a personal choice, but it does draw a crowd. > > Fred Baum > 9470768 > -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ@cs.com Tiger- B382000189 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 25 08:25:11 2008 From: tym2@comcast.net To: Randy Smith , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:25:05 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Purple Cow I've seen this car many times at Limerock (CT) at the "Show of Shelbys" held on the Sunday before Labor Day. While I'm not fond of the color, the car is very nice - and so is the guy who owns it. Some purists might not like my yellow Tiger, (my bride calls it the nuclear banana) but I sure do. Tym McDowell -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Randy Smith > I remember seeing this car. It was at TE/AE United several years ago > when it was held in Harrisburg, PA. Definitely set up in a drag race > style as I remember. > > -Randy > > FHSLOTH13@aol.com wrote: > > The owner of the "Purple Cow" is a fellow in New York state. He has owned > > the car since new and drag raced it in the early - mid 70's. > > > > He's now in his mid-70's, but gets to as many shows and meets as he can. I > > believe he drives the car every day. > > > > Drag racing explains the tow tabs. > > > > The color is obviously a personal choice, but it does draw a crowd. > > > > Fred Baum > > 9470768 > > > -- > > Randy Smith > INNER QUEST, Inc. > 34752 Charles Town Pike > Purcellville, VA 20132 > 703-478-1078 > 540-668-6699 > 540-668-6253 fax > > InnerQuestOnline.com > RSSmithIQ@cs.com > Tiger- B382000189 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tym2@comcast.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 25 09:36:49 2008 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:37:00 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hood scoop and cooling holes "I don't know what the pressure area is where the hood meets the cowl in front of the windshield, but if I leave my hood propped open about an inch I don't see much difference at all in engine temperature. So it makes me wonder how much air is escaping." You may want to try a hood on the lines of the "Super Tiger" hood that is in the TBON. The scoop is reversed to pick up the high pressure air located by the windshield. . When stopped, the opening would vent hot air out of the engine compartment and while in motion it would have a ram-air affect for the carb. I've seen these turn up on Ebay every once in a while. Someone may have made a small run of this style hood back in the day. What ever happened to the "Super Tiger"? Does it still exist with the options Ian Garrard installed? Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Aug 25 10:38:43 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jeffrey Nichols'" , Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:38:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hood scoop and cooling holes Jeff Careful when you say ram-air affect for the carb. Ram-air affect works best when the scoop is sealed to the carb which will eliminate heat escaping from the engine because of the seal. I believe most scoops work the way you think they should at highway speeds and lower but everything changes very quickly, exponentially maybe the correct term here, as speed increases. Every car is different but a reversed scoop or any scoop that is not sealed to the carb can actually ram air past the carb creating a low pressure zone at the carb inducing a lean condition at high speed and that could grenade the engine. I'm no expert about this and I have never experimented with scoops so I have no real data about this subject . I'm simply relaying information that makes sense to me which I have gathered over the years. NASA took decades to make some scoops work the way they needed. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 11:37 AM To: CoolVT@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Hood scoop and cooling holes "I don't know what the pressure area is where the hood meets the cowl in front of the windshield, but if I leave my hood propped open about an inch I don't see much difference at all in engine temperature. So it makes me wonder how much air is escaping." You may want to try a hood on the lines of the "Super Tiger" hood that is in the TBON. The scoop is reversed to pick up the high pressure air located by the windshield. . When stopped, the opening would vent hot air out of the engine compartment and while in motion it would have a ram-air affect for the carb. I've seen these turn up on Ebay every once in a while. Someone may have made a small run of this style hood back in the day. What ever happened to the "Super Tiger"? Does it still exist with the options Ian Garrard installed? Jeff You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http: