From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 07:39:17 2008 From: "Duke Samouce" To: Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 08:39:03 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Your valve covers missing? I have the valve covers from engine 2056 A27KA. Sometime in the past 42 years, my covers got switch with another Tiger. Picture two cars at the same shop with covers removed for service.... The ID sticker is on the back driver side cover which Norm tells me is rare. Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 08:06:43 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Duke Samouce'" , Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:06:23 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Your valve covers missing? Duke Engine 5135 F21KA also has the ID sticker on the drivers side valve cover. Maybe this is a random occurrence or the production laborer was out those days and the replacement worker was not trained correctly on this procedure. Looks like the start of another Poll. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duke Samouce Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 9:39 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Your valve covers missing? I have the valve covers from engine 2056 A27KA. Sometime in the past 42 years, my covers got switch with another Tiger. Picture two cars at the same shop with covers removed for service.... The ID sticker is on the back driver side cover which Norm tells me is rare. Duke B382002037 You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1645 - Release Date: 9/1/2008 7:19 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 08:20:27 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:20:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What is the "correct" engine color? Poll results to date. Response was very slim for this Poll so far; 4 responses that related the date code to the engine color. Results: F21KA Black B19KC Old Ford Dark Blue I would truly like to see more responses about F21KA and B19KC date code engines. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 08:22:07 2008 From: Thomas Brandt To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 07:21:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Valve Covers My Tigers's valve cover reads engine 1104-G13KA (or GI3KA) for B9470099. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 08:32:25 2008 From: Tod Brown To: sralsten@ca.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:32:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Insurance ? Steve: If you have had a good experience with Allstate, then you should feel lucky. When I bought my Tiger in Oct. of 1966, I had just turned 25. Up until then I had had my insurance through my Dad's policy which was with Allstate. Being that the Tiger was my first new car and that the insurance companies would no longer charge a fee for an "underage driver", I decided to get my own insurance. My uncle was a vice president with Aetna, so I asked him if one company was better than another and his reply was that they were all the same. So, I signed up with Allstate and had my policy with them for 40 straight years. Over that time, I and the other members of my family, have had a few claims, mostly not our fault and were treated reasonably well by Allstate. Two years ago, however, I got my bill from Allstate and noted that it had gone up by about 50%. In the past five years, my wife and I had had two "reportable incidents". One in which someone backed into my car in a parking lot when the car was parked with no one in it and the second when a guy made a left turn in front of my wife while he was "blinded by the sun". He admitted he was at fault and his insurance paid. So I was a bit baffled by the rise in my rates. On questioning Allstate, they offered no explanation just that "those are our rates". I did some comparison shopping and found that other companies would offer me the same coverage for about half Allstate's price. When I brought this up with Allstate and pointed out that I had been a good customer for 40 years, them hemmed and hawed and dropped their price somewhat but nowhere near what other companies offered. So much for loyalty to the customer! I now have my policy with another company. Although I have no proof, I find it interesting that, at the time, I had just reached, by some measure, a milestone in life (i.e. do the math, 25 + 40). Could this be another instance of age discrimination? You be the judge. All that having been said, I hope it is not politically incorrect (;>)). I have my Tiger insurance through another carrier (one of those which specializes in older cars). The rates are much better than what you can get through the usual companies. My advice is to shop around. Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 08:34:45 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:34:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Covers The Poll question should be; which valve cover is the ID sticker on, right side or left side when sitting in the drivers seat looking forward at the engine? Since Tigers came in both LHD and RHD the question needs to be clear. My Tiger is LHD and the engine ID sticker is on the Left valve cover, the drivers side in this case. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Brandt Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 10:22 AM To: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Valve Covers My Tigers's valve cover reads engine 1104-G13KA (or GI3KA) for B9470099. Tom You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1645 - Release Date: 9/1/2008 7:19 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 09:47:31 2008 From: "Duke Samouce" To: , , Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:47:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Covers I thinks these poll would be much better accomplished on a Forum that has a Poll option. TEAE has a forum that is very quiet and I am sure would like the traffic. http://teae.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6014#6014 Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 9:34 AM To: t-brandt@sbcglobal.net; Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Covers The Poll question should be; which valve cover is the ID sticker on, right side or left side when sitting in the drivers seat looking forward at the engine? Since Tigers came in both LHD and RHD the question needs to be clear. My Tiger is LHD and the engine ID sticker is on the Left valve cover, the drivers side in this case. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Brandt Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 10:22 AM To: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Valve Covers My Tigers's valve cover reads engine 1104-G13KA (or GI3KA) for B9470099. Tom You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1645 - Release Date: 9/1/2008 7:19 AM You are subscribed as wsamouce@kc.rr.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 10:15:42 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, Steve Ralsten Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Subway Tiger promor reply- FYI Steve- I think it ended Aug the 10th BUT if you read thier reply, they havent declared a winner yet and dont for 8-10 weeks after the contest ended- If I understand them correctly. Maybe it takes that long to figure out who they want to win. You would think the day the contest ended they would announce a winner almost within the following week. You would think that someone on the list or maybe even Norm, would hear from or about the winner. If there is one. No, I dont trust contest people. TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 13:00:43 2008 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:00:31 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] ser #9472564 Listers, I once owned this car #9472564, it was around 1970-1971, I was going through some old car STUFF and I found the original service book, purchaced at Picard motors in RI, has service stamps from Long Island, I bought it from a guy in RI who said he was the original owner, I had no other record of the number so I thought this was neat....anyone out there own this car now?????? Clyde _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 13:01:41 2008 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:00:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 16:17:23 2008 From: "Steve Ralsten" To: , , Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:15:40 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Covers Mine is LHD with the tiny Ford sticker on the pass side valve cover front. I have an engine ID plate on the driver side rear. Steve B9473720 LROFE ----- Original Message ----- From: " Ron Fraser" To: ; Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Covers > The Poll question should be; which valve cover is the ID sticker on, right > side or left side when sitting in the drivers seat looking forward at the > engine? > > Since Tigers came in both LHD and RHD the question needs to be clear. > > My Tiger is LHD and the engine ID sticker is on the Left valve cover, the > drivers side in this case. > > > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Thomas Brandt > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 10:22 AM > To: Tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Valve Covers > > > My Tigers's valve cover reads engine 1104-G13KA (or GI3KA) for B9470099. > Tom > You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1645 - Release Date: 9/1/2008 > 7:19 AM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten@ca.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 16:18:02 2008 From: "Steve Ralsten" To: , Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:17:20 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Subway Tiger promor reply- FYI So I still have a chance ?? Being a two Tiger family would be cool. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Somebody" To: ; "Steve Ralsten" Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Subway Tiger promor reply- FYI > Steve- I think it ended Aug the 10th BUT if you read thier reply, they > havent declared a winner yet and dont for 8-10 weeks after the contest > ended- If I understand them correctly. Maybe it takes that long to figure > out who they want to win. You would think the day the contest ended they > would announce a winner almost within the following week. You would think > that someone on the list or maybe even Norm, would hear from or about the > winner. If there is one. No, I dont trust contest people. TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 16:21:30 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: sralsten@ca.rr.com, achd73@yahoo.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:20:47 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Subway Tiger promor reply- FYI So I still have a chance ?? Possibly, if you have the right connections. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 16:25:39 2008 From: "Steve Ralsten" To: Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:24:54 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Looking for Alpine 260 badge I've put out feelers in a couple spots but not on this list. The car I purchased carries Alpine 260 fender badges but was missing the block SUNBEAM and the Alpine 260 badge from the boot. Today I replaced the letters. I would love to find one original Alpine 260 badge for the boot. Rick at SS said he could have one made for me but I sure would rather get one with the chromed letters rather than paint. Michael King may have a line on one, not sure yet. If anyone from this list has an extra I'd love to buy it. Thanks Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 16:38:56 2008 From: "Joe Brown" To: Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:37:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Covers Mine (B382000217) is LHD and the ID tag is on the driver's side. The engine number is 4983-F21KA and the block is black. There is some kind of rectangular tag on the front end of the passenger side cover but there is nothing on it. Must of faded away a long time ago. Joe Brown -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jbbrown1980=gmail.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jbbrown1980=gmail.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Ralsten Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 5:16 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; t-brandt@sbcglobal.net; Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Covers Mine is LHD with the tiny Ford sticker on the pass side valve cover front. I have an engine ID plate on the driver side rear. Steve B9473720 LROFE ----- Original Message ----- From: " Ron Fraser" To: ; Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Covers > The Poll question should be; which valve cover is the ID sticker on, right > side or left side when sitting in the drivers seat looking forward at the > engine? > > Since Tigers came in both LHD and RHD the question needs to be clear. > > My Tiger is LHD and the engine ID sticker is on the Left valve cover, the > drivers side in this case. > > > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Thomas Brandt > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 10:22 AM > To: Tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Valve Covers > > > My Tigers's valve cover reads engine 1104-G13KA (or GI3KA) for B9470099. > Tom > You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1645 - Release Date: 9/1/2008 > 7:19 AM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten@ca.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as jbbrown1980@gmail.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 18:27:15 2008 From: "Steve Ralsten" To: "Clyde McLaughlin" , Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:26:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ser #9472564 According to the Tiger registry online that car was in Saratoga Springs NY in 1989. Maybe it still is. If your intent was to give the current owner some documentation I imagine he would love it. Try writing Norm Miller at rootes1@earthlink.net he may have contact info for the current owner Steve Ralsten B9473720 LROFE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 11:00 AM Subject: [Tigers] ser #9472564 > Listers, I once owned this car #9472564, it was around 1970-1971, I was > going through some old car STUFF and I found the original service book, > purchaced at Picard motors in RI, has service stamps from Long Island, I > bought it from a guy in RI who said he was the original owner, I had no > other > record of the number so I thought this was neat....anyone out there own > this > car now?????? Clyde > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten@ca.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 09:04:31 2008 From: spmdr@juno.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:00:02 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Valve covers I am the 3rd owner of a Tiger that came with a NON matching valve cover tag. The theory that it was swapped at a repair shop seems a bit of a long shot. How many other Tigers have miss matched valve cover tags? BTW ...on the right side... DW ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Click here to get a payday loan. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m3aOUUi2jtUCvOjehCJf2pT5j7BhpbtJxh3ZNKyyEoHKdmK/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 09:42:35 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Gear and Tire Calculator I got some work done over the weekend and put of the gear and tire calculator. It is not 100% but seems to be working OK. This will allow you to calculate shift points and tire size information. Will also give RPM gear drop for shifts as well as tire dimensions. It may have a few glitches, but seems to work ok now. Hit the 'Sample' button to stuff all the fields with some 'sample' data then hit calculate. I will next add a graph to help visulize the data. You can cut and paste the data out of the exit box if you want to print (Notepad, Word, etc). To operate, just fill in the Gear, RPM, and Tire data. Note that you need only to fill in the transmission ratios the compound ratios (trans x rear) are calculated automaticall. Let me know if anyone finds anything or needs more data... This was modeled after the Window program GearCalc by Peter Odgen (http://www.locost7.info/gearcalc.php) that I use, but web based. Note at this time it does not support METRIC (KMH) but I can if anyone needs it. Enjoy. New Tire and Gear Tool http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/GearCalc.html For just the tire size tool http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/TireCalculator.html Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 13:14:11 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Sandy Ganz Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:13:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gear and Tire Calculator Sandy, Thanks for the additional source information. However, TigersUnited.com has had the "Bob Hokanson Excel Transmission Calculator spread sheet (free Excel Reader) for over 7 years, now. It is preloaded with Tiger selectable transmission (I, IA, II, T-5 gears, rear end, and tire options, selectable alternates, RPM control, and 1 thru 5 selectable gear effect on rpm and speed. ALL parameters can also be customized. It is really a great tool, and can be used to graph results. Hokanson Gear-Speed automatic calculator (http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/HokansonGearSpeedXL/pt-HokansonGearSpeedXL.asp) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Sandy Ganz wrote: > I got some work done over the weekend and put of the gear and tire calculator. > It is not 100% but seems to be working OK. This will allow you to calculate > shift points and tire size information. Will also give RPM gear drop for > shifts as well as tire dimensions. > It may have a few glitches, but seems to > work ok now. Hit the 'Sample' button to stuff all the fields with some > 'sample' data then hit calculate. I will next add a graph to help visulize the > data. You can cut and paste the data out of the exit box if you want to print > (Notepad, Word, etc). > To operate, just fill in the Gear, RPM, and Tire data. > Note that you need only to fill in the transmission ratios the compound ratios > (trans x rear) are calculated automaticall. > Let me know if anyone finds > anything or needs more data... > This was modeled after the Window program > GearCalc by Peter Odgen (http://www.locost7.info/gearcalc.php) that I use, > but web based. Note at this time it does not support METRIC (KMH) but I can if > anyone needs it. > Enjoy. > New Tire and Gear Tool > http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/GearCalc.html > For just the tire size tool > http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/TireCalculator.html > Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 13:37:45 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: Steve Laifman Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gear and Tire Calculator Yes, but it requires Excel free or not more to download ;) Bob's tools doesn't give you an easy way to get a feel for the data unless you click a bunch of times (or save data to make an excel graph manually). I'm going to still need to add the graph for visualization of shift points and ratio-ness (close/wide), just didn't get to do it yet. Bob's tool is better for comparing transmission, but more cumbersome to use if that is not your main goal. Just something software wise to do. One thing that I definitely want to do is add a list of gear boxes and ratios, but that is down the line a bit. I think the sample data for the gear box was for the Top loader that I have, the rest was from the Mustang. Just stuff for fun in any case. One question was their something that should be customized that is not on the one I did? Any feed back is appreciated (on/off line is ok) Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Steve Laifman To: Sandy Ganz Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2008 12:13:38 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gear and Tire Calculator Sandy, Thanks for the additional source information. However, TigersUnited.com has had the "Bob Hokanson Excel Transmission Calculator spread sheet (free Excel Reader) for over 7 years, now. [snip] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 14:56:37 2008 From: Rob Bernardino To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:56:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 100 Ugliest Cars Thought you would like to see this. Rob http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2008/08/25/mfuglycars123.xml _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 15:09:28 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Rob Bernardino" Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:01:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 100 Ugliest Cars except the smart, the range rover and tatra t603 i completely agree. but where is the tiger? shame on you for posting non tiger related info! :) On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Rob Bernardino wrote: > Thought you would like to see this. > Rob > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2008/08/25/mfuglycars123.xml > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 15:34:50 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Tigers Den" Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:13:57 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] source for the windscreen side trim hello, i've just noticed from some pictures that there is meant to be some trim running down the side seams on the inside of the windscreen surround that continues along the edge of the dashboard. can anyone let me know where i can get this trim? thanks. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 15:41:02 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Tigers Den" Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:18:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] source for the windscreen side trim a more detailed look at the sunbeam specialties website shows what i _think_ may be the piece i need as part number WS53. "WINDSHIELD FRAME TO DOOR WING WINDOW SEAL. REPRO WITH METAL STIFFENERS FOR RIGIDITY." On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > hello, > > i've just noticed from some pictures that there is meant to be some > trim running down the side seams on the inside of the windscreen > surround that continues along the edge of the dashboard. can anyone > let me know where i can get this trim? > > thanks. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 15:55:17 2008 From: drmayf To: Rob Bernardino Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:50:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 100 Ugliest Cars Well, from my knot hole, they certainly got #1 correct! Lots fo Fords of various specie in there... mayf Rob Bernardino wrote: >Thought you would like to see this. >Rob > >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2008/08/25/mfuglycars123.xml >_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 16:25:28 2008 From: To: drmayf@mayfco.com Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:25:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 100 Ugliest Cars They missed a couple of my favorites, The "new" Couger of a couple years back. and the BMW Z4 which looks like a cross between a "new" couger and a Viking ship. Steve 9473720 ---- drmayf wrote: > Well, from my knot hole, they certainly got #1 correct! Lots fo Fords of > various specie in there... > > mayf > Rob Bernardino wrote: > > >Thought you would like to see this. > >Rob > > > >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2008/08/25/mfuglycars123.xml > >_______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten@ca.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 17:11:11 2008 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:07:34 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: FW: Test your reactions ... ____________________________________ ____________________________________ The automobile driving manual says the average driver's reaction time is: .75 seconds..... or 1 car length for every 10 mph..... 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Joe -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jbbrown1980=gmail.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jbbrown1980=gmail.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spmdr@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 10:00 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Valve covers I am the 3rd owner of a Tiger that came with a NON matching valve cover tag. The theory that it was swapped at a repair shop seems a bit of a long shot. How many other Tigers have miss matched valve cover tags? BTW ...on the right side... DW ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Click here to get a payday loan. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m3aOUUi2jtUCvOjehCJf2pT5j 7BhpbtJxh3ZNKyyEoHKdmK/ You are subscribed as jbbrown1980@gmail.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 21:17:31 2008 From: "Joe Brown" To: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 21:49:43 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Test I'm not sure my emails are getting through. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 08:17:37 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Duke Samouce'" , , Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:14:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Covers Duke You may be right; however. 1 The Poll questions have moved the list back to Tiger Related information 2 The most appropriate place for the Poll would be Norm Miller's web site; if Norm is willing. 3 Trivia can be Fun 4 I got just a few more responses than the TE/AE Poll; kind of sad. More Trivia Didn't you just get Bob Mannel's Book on SBF engines? Appendix A - Engine Tags page A-6; the Ford application # on the aluminum engine tag for the Tiger 260 engine is 510. This # is not listed and Bob never ran across any information about that #; I don't know what that # is for the Tiger 289. I find these things interesting. Sorry if you do not. The delete key is always available. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Duke Samouce [mailto:wsamouce@kc.rr.com] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 11:47 AM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; t-brandt@sbcglobal.net; Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Valve Covers I thinks these poll would be much better accomplished on a Forum that has a Poll option. TEAE has a forum that is very quiet and I am sure would like the traffic. http://teae.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6014#6014 Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 10:24:36 2008 From: To: Joe Brown Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:23:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve covers Hardly a great picture but it was available online already. I'll try to get a better shot sometime this weekend. It's an oval with the FORD logo. http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/ENGINE%20FRM%20RT.jpg Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 10:44:01 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: sralsten@ca.rr.com, jbbrown1980@gmail.com Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:43:45 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve covers My #0001369 has the metal spec. plate on the passenger side and the same Ford oval on the driver side. mark **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 11:17:54 2008 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: jbbrown1980@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:15:19 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve covers I got to get a new camera. This is a pic of L valve cover on 382002560. It reads (top L) Product of, Ford Oval, Motor Company(lower right). On this car the ID tag is on right. Block is black. HTH In a message dated 9/2/2008 8:02:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jbbrown1980@gmail.com writes: Can anyone point me to a photo of the small tag that is supposed to be on the passenger side valve cover? I have the engine ID tag on the driver's side and there is a small rectangular sticker toward the front of the cover on the passenger side. But it is blank or faded away. It is just a silver color that sort of matches the chrome valve cover. Joe -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jbbrown1980=gmail.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jbbrown1980=gmail.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spmdr@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 10:00 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Valve covers I am the 3rd owner of a Tiger that came with a NON matching valve cover tag. The theory that it was swapped at a repair shop seems a bit of a long shot. How many other Tigers have miss matched valve cover tags? BTW ...on the right side... DW ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? 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(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 000_0596.JPG] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 11:28:13 2008 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com, jbbrown1980@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:27:38 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve covers One more time. In a message dated 9/3/2008 10:18:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, AAAGLASSS@aol.com writes: I got to get a new camera. This is a pic of L valve cover on 382002560. It reads (top L) Product of, Ford Oval, Motor Company(lower right). On this car the ID tag is on right. Block is black. HTH In a message dated 9/2/2008 8:02:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jbbrown1980@gmail.com writes: Can anyone point me to a photo of the small tag that is supposed to be on the passenger side valve cover? I have the engine ID tag on the driver's side and there is a small rectangular sticker toward the front of the cover on the passenger side. But it is blank or faded away. It is just a silver color that sort of matches the chrome valve cover. Joe -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jbbrown1980=gmail.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jbbrown1980=gmail.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spmdr@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 10:00 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Valve covers I am the 3rd owner of a Tiger that came with a NON matching valve cover tag. The theory that it was swapped at a repair shop seems a bit of a long shot. How many other Tigers have miss matched valve cover tags? BTW ...on the right side... DW ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? 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(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 000_0596.JPG] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 12:51:35 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:48:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Covers (polling) Regarding items 1-4 on the valve cover poll (too large to include) and >>>I find these things interesting.<<< I agree with Ron on all accounts. Duke, I'm not suggesting the Forum idea was bad, only that the list is also appropriate. The difficulty with a forum is someone needs to set up the question and monitor it. Thus, you have to ask (in many cases trouble) the forum moderator, and they have to agree. For what it's worth a few years back we got on the subject of the age of Tiger owners. I offered to "poll" the information (some came private, others in the general list) and got well over 100 responses. So, it can be effective. Therefore, as it relates to the Tiger list I think: Best - Tiger associated discussion. Acceptable - Automotive issues that can be Tiger related. Tolerable - Discussion by a frequent member about a non-Tiger vehicle that has them pulling their hair out and is seeking general advice. Delete~Able - Discussion that goes way off "Tigers". Maybe for me it is like my mother in law. Rather than getting upset at the antics I take the approach of "how far can you go to amuse me." Thus, there is a smile on my face as I hit the delete key. The further out it goes, the bigger my smile. Lastly if I give a reply, it is almost always to the list. I'd rather have someone correct my possible error than mislead someone by my mistake in a private message. At times I get the impression some feel the list exists for the purpose of not being needed. That being people (often new) are told to search first, - then ask. Or they hear, "we have gone over this before." I'd rather hear the "Panasport" question asked 1000 times than see a lack of "community" on the list. I'm sorry to ramble on (and yikes - get off subject). I realize there needs to be limits, but also understanding. Eight years here has shown me that off topic subjects die out and those that might be called trouble-makers drift off. Smile, Delete..., smile, delete... . Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.15/1649 - Release Date: 9/3/2008 7:15 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 17:34:56 2008 From: To: Joe Brown Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:34:30 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Test I got this test. Steve ---- Joe Brown wrote: > I'm not sure my emails are getting through. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 18:06:58 2008 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:06:30 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] engine numbers on valve c0vers Hi Listers, I haven't paid that much attention to the latest conversation about valve covers because my car has cast TIGER covers, but I just dug out a chrome cover that came with my car in a box of spare/old parts,,,I don't think it went with my car though, is the number under the SO# space supossed to reflect the last four numbers in the car's number??? It was a rs cover and the SO# was 2632, my car number is 1173....I have put the cover on the garage wall as decoration, Clyde, 382001173 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 18:47:42 2008 From: "Joe Brown" To: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:45:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve covers Thanks for all of the replies (and photos)about my question regarding the small Ford tag. I'm getting a little confused about the placement of the two different tags though. Some folks are saying the metalized tag with the engine number on it should be on the driver's side valve cover toward the back, and others are saying it should be toward the front on the passenger side. I'm referring here to a LHD car. I have a the Book of Norman and he says on page 143 that the "Rootes Ltd" or "Sunbeam Ltd" tag with the engine number was affixed to the left rear cover. The "Product of Ford Motor Company" decal is on the front right cover. He goes on to say that "later cars used only the "Sunbeam Ltd" decal which was positioned to the right front cover" and "Product of Ford Motor Company decal on rear left cover". So, at some point the positions of the two tags were reversed. Has someone been keeping track of all of the replies to try and figure out when the switch was made? Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 -----Original Message----- From: Ross [mailto:ross_hulse@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:20 AM To: 'Joe Brown' Subject: RE: [Tigers] Valve covers Hi Joe, Here is a picture of the label on a valve cover. This is the original label for my car. Also, on the list some are saying that the label is on the left bank toward the rear. The covers can be placed on either side they are interchangable. If the label cover is placed on the left bank the label will be toward the firewall and appear to be correct. However, the stock position is on the right bank with the label forward. I am surprised that most of these guys don't realize their valve covers are switched. :0 Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse P.S. Your emails are getting through. Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve covers Can anyone point me to a photo of the small tag that is supposed to be on the passenger side valve cover? I have the engine ID tag on the driver's side and there is a small rectangular sticker toward the front of the cover on the passenger side. But it is blank or faded away. It is just a silver color that sort of matches the chrome valve cover. Joe _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 19:05:41 2008 From: "Duke Samouce" To: , , Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:05:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 260 engine tag and the 510 designation Hey Ron, Here is a tag I bought on Ebay that claimed to come from a Tiger 260. I did not believe it but bought the tag due to the 260 scarcity these days. I was wondering about the 510-J on it that I could not find anywhere in the Mannel book. Thanks so much for confirming that I have a real-deal Tiger 260 engine tag which will go on my 260 engine. Here is a link to a picture - http://e28-535i.com/upload/260tag.jpg I found it very interesting that a 260 had a 1966 date code. I did not know they made the 260 in 1966. Here is a question, where would one attach this tag on the F4B manifold? Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 9:14 AM To: 'Duke Samouce'; t-brandt@sbcglobal.net; Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Valve Covers Didn't you just get Bob Mannel's Book on SBF engines? Appendix A - Engine Tags page A-6; the Ford application # on the aluminum engine tag for the Tiger 260 engine is 510. This # is not listed and Bob never ran across any information about that #; I don't know what that # is for the Tiger 289. I find these things interesting. Sorry if you do not. The delete key is always available. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 19:07:56 2008 From: "Duke Samouce" To: "'Clyde McLaughlin'" , Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:07:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine numbers on valve c0vers You can find the correct engine number on your VIN tag. That engine number should match the one on the valve cover. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Clyde McLaughlin Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:07 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] engine numbers on valve c0vers Hi Listers, I haven't paid that much attention to the latest conversation about valve covers because my car has cast TIGER covers, but I just dug out a chrome cover that came with my car in a box of spare/old parts,,,I don't think it went with my car though, is the number under the SO# space supossed to reflect the last four numbers in the car's number??? It was a rs cover and the SO# was 2632, my car number is 1173....I have put the cover on the garage wall as decoration, Clyde, 382001173 You are subscribed as wsamouce@kc.rr.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 20:42:46 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Duke Samouce'" , , Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:42:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 engine tag and the 510 designation Duke That is a very nice engine Tag. My Tag is corroded with only part of the 6 and all the 0 of 260 visible. The build date on your Tag is 5 - K, Oct 1965 and 66 for the model year, my Tag Date is Jan 1965, model year 65. I believe Ford Industrial Division assembled 260 engines for some time but I have no information about when the last 260 engine was built. Ford attached it under the bolt that held the coil when they moved the coil to the front of the head. You could probably place it under any available bolt in that area; not that it really matters if you attach it at all. It's your Tiger; place it where you like it best. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Duke Samouce [mailto:wsamouce@kc.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 9:05 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; t-brandt@sbcglobal.net; Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: 260 engine tag and the 510 designation Hey Ron, Here is a tag I bought on Ebay that claimed to come from a Tiger 260. I did not believe it but bought the tag due to the 260 scarcity these days. I was wondering about the 510-J on it that I could not find anywhere in the Mannel book. Thanks so much for confirming that I have a real-deal Tiger 260 engine tag which will go on my 260 engine. Here is a link to a picture - http://e28-535i.com/upload/260tag.jpg I found it very interesting that a 260 had a 1966 date code. I did not know they made the 260 in 1966. Here is a question, where would one attach this tag on the F4B manifold? Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 23:18:46 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , "'Tigers Den'" Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 01:18:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] bulb question and a little warning Owain This is an interesting subject that is worth looking at; what are today's corresponding bulb numbers for our lights. I don't have a complete list of replacement bulbs for myself and this is something which all of us need handy. Here is the list from the Shop Manual; General Data page 21. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsm21.asp LIGHTING System ... ... ... ... Earth return Type - Headlamp ... ... ... ... F.700 (Mk. X) -Side and front flasher ... ... ... ... L.722 -Stop, tail, rear flasher ... ... ... ... L.642 -Rear number plate ... ... ... ... L.532 ... ... ... ... LIGHT UNITS AND LAMP BULBS ... ... ... ... Head - R.H.D. and North America ... ... ... ... Sealed beam unit -L.H.D. ... ... ... ... Bulb - L.410 45/40W. Side... ... ... ... L.501 5W. (capless) Front and rear flasher ... ... ... ... L.382 21W. Stop/tail ... ... ... ... L.380 21/6W. Rear number plate ... ... ... ... L.989 6W. or L.501 5W. (capless) Interior lamp (if fitted) ... ... ... ... L.254 6W. (festoon) Map lamp ... ... ... ... L.254 6W. (festoon) Tachometer ... ... ... ... L.987 2.2W. Instrument illumination ... ... ... ... L.987 2.2W. Warning lamps ... ... ... ... Phillips 12829 2W. This web page has a bulb identifier section with bulb dimensions. http://www.sylvania.com/ConsumerProducts/AutomotiveLighting/ECatalog/ This web page has a lamp replacement guide by vehicle; Sunbeam is listed but no bulb information pops up. http://www.sylvania.com/ConsumerProducts/AutomotiveLighting/LampReplacementG uide/ I think I found a great web site for this; http://www.donsbulbs.com/cgi-bin/r/t.pl Enter 501 for L.501 into the bulb search, enter, click 501 Lucas on the list and all the dimensions of the bulb and details pop also some possible replacement bulb and equivalent numbers by Brand Name. No matter where you live you should be able to recognize a brand and number. Now try the rest of the numbers and make your own list. You can also compare L.382 to a 1156 or an L.380 to a 1157. Here is the warning lamp http://bulbster.com/lightbulbs/a1272-p-2981.html Here is a UK site that lists the bulbs a BSN numbers. http://www.lamps2udirect.com/pages/browse-More-Lamps2udirect.php/Automotive_ -_Car_Bulbs/Sidelight/103/7/ Enjoy Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 00:09:51 2008 From: "Norman C. Miller" To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:11:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 engine tag and the 510 designation Ron, Just a quick note. Since you seem to be into this stuff. The Ford Industrial Diversion of Ford had nothing to do with producing Sunbeam Tiger engines. Any dealings with customers outside of normal Ford production was funneled through their "Industrial" division. The purpose was simple. Records needed to represent fulfillment of contracts. Ford and Humber Motors ltd. had a contract for 10,000 engines and transmission. All of the Tiger engines were pulled from Ford's Detroit small-block assembly line. Details covering power plants, gearboxes - and various "ship loose" items are chronicled in documents that will be included in my slowly developing second volume on the Sunbeam Tiger. I must admit to not being in too much of a hurry to finish "book two", but it is taking shape sortaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. ncm ..snip..I believe Ford Industrial Division assembled 260 engines for some time but I >have no information about when the last 260 engine was built...snip.. [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1650 - Release Date: 9/3/2008 4:13 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 06:10:18 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Norman C. Miller'" , Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:09:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 engine tag and the 510 designation Thank You Norm. Being an engineer type; I sometimes get extremely fascinated with the minor details. Many of these details are slipping away as time goes on and as Tigers pass to new owners. I glad you are on the List, watching for any mis-speaks we might put forward. Do you have any information about when the last 260 engine was built? Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Norman C. Miller Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 2:12 AM To: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 engine tag and the 510 designation Ron, Just a quick note. Since you seem to be into this stuff. The Ford Industrial Diversion of Ford had nothing to do with producing Sunbeam Tiger engines. Any dealings with customers outside of normal Ford production was funneled through their "Industrial" division. The purpose was simple. Records needed to represent fulfillment of contracts. Ford and Humber Motors ltd. had a contract for 10,000 engines and transmission. All of the Tiger engines were pulled from Ford's Detroit small-block assembly line. Details covering power plants, gearboxes - and various "ship loose" items are chronicled in documents that will be included in my slowly developing second volume on the Sunbeam Tiger. I must admit to not being in too much of a hurry to finish "book two", but it is taking shape sortaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. ncm ..snip..I believe Ford Industrial Division assembled 260 engines for some time but I >have no information about when the last 260 engine was built...snip.. [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1650 - Release Date: 9/3/2008 4:13 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1650 - Release Date: 9/3/2008 4:13 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 06:37:53 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Joe Brown'" , Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:30:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve covers Joe Welcome to the little details that are Tiger and Sunbeam. The response to the Poll is way to low; you would need everyone to respond and then there would still be gaps for the wrecked Tigers that are no longer available. Therefore the accuracy of when the change happened would be in doubt. In response to Ross Hulse about switching the valve covers;" I am surprised that most of these guys don't realize their valve covers are switched. :0" He is not correct when it comes to stock original Ford valve covers. My left valve cover has a big breather tube at the front and the right valve cover has a port at the rear for the PCV valve. Yes you can physically switch the covers but the hose plumbing would be a real messy looking deal and defiantly not stock. Basically it is your car; do the details the way you like best. I guarantee the Sunbeam community is more interested in seeing that Tiger on the road then picking at the little details. Ron Fraser --------------- Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 8:45 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve covers I'm getting a little confused about the placement of the two different tags though. Some folks are saying the metalized tag with the engine number on it should be on the driver's side valve cover toward the back, and others are saying it should be toward the front on the passenger side. I'm referring here to a LHD car. --------------------------- So, at some point the positions of the two tags were reversed. Has someone been keeping track of all of the replies to try and figure out when the switch was made? Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 --------- To: 'Joe Brown' Subject: RE: [Tigers] Valve covers ---------------------- Also, on the list some are saying that the label is on the left bank toward the rear. The covers can be placed on either side they are interchangable. If the label cover is placed on the left bank the label will be toward the firewall and appear to be correct. However, the stock position is on the right bank with the label forward. I am surprised that most of these guys don't realize their valve covers are switched. :0 Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 09:21:53 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:16:05 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 engine tag and the 510 designation >>>my slowly developing second volume on the Sunbeam Tiger.<<< >>>"book two", but it is taking shape <<< And thousands of Tiger owners smile a happy smile! Could I recommend "buy early and buy often" (when it comes out). ;-) [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1651 - Release Date: 9/4/2008 6:57 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 09:51:03 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , , "'Tigers Den'" Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:47:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] bulb question and a little warning Here is the list of bulb replacements I put together for myself. I have also included some of the bulb designation terms. There are other possibilities including LED and other types. Feel free to make your own list and make additions. Tiger Light Bulb Replacement Guide, USA Side L.501 5W Wedge, Globe- 14.8mm x 25.6mm, base, W2.1x9.5d 194 - 3.78W Flasher L.382, 21W, BA15s, S8, Bayonet 1073 - 23W 1141 - 18.4W 1156 - 26.9W Stop/ Tail L.380, 21W/ 6W, BAY15d, S8, Bayonet 1157 - 27W/ 8W License plate L.989, 6W BA9s, Globe 1816 - T3.25, 4.29W 1891 - T3.25, 3.36W 1895 - G4.5, 3.78W 53 - G3.5, 1.73W 57 - G4.5, 3.4W Map & Interior L.254, 5W, Festoon, SV8.5-8, 37mm x 11mm 6418 - 5W, Festoon Back up L.382 1156 I use 50W halogen lamps here Instrument L.987, 2.2W, E10, G3.5, screw base 1446 - 2.4W, E10, G3.5 Warning lamps Philips 12829, 2W, BA7s, T2, midget bayonet 1272 Stanley - 2W, BA7s, T2 Eiko - a 1272 48006 This bulb is listed under motorcycles/ ATV/ snowmobiles. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 10:20:20 2008 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:15:32 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Engine build dates "The build date on your Tag is 5 - K, Oct 1965 and 66 for the model year, my Tag Date is Jan 1965, model year 65." Shouldn't that build date match the build date stamped on engine block located near the water pump? According to the BON my car's build date is 10/64 and the stamped engine assemble date is 5A18F which translates to January 1965. So someone swapped the engine out and replaced it. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 11:21:08 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jeffrey Nichols'" , Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:19:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine build dates Jeff My engine build date is 2 days before yours, Jan 16,1965 with a Tag date of Jan 1965; my Tiger's build date is Aug 1965. So in my case the engine build date matches the date on the aluminum engine Tag; then the engine was stored in the parts bin until August when it was placed into my Tiger. It is possible that there was a production problem and your Tiger received the 65 engine or there was a problem with the first engine and it had to be replace with a 2nd engine on the line. If you look a TBON you will note that there are only a couple of Tigers built in Nov of 1964; possible strike or production problem, Holidays, Plant shut down??? Could be a number of reasons. You could ask Norm if he has any details. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 12:16 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Engine build dates "The build date on your Tag is 5 - K, Oct 1965 and 66 for the model year, my Tag Date is Jan 1965, model year 65." Shouldn't that build date match the build date stamped on engine block located near the water pump? According to the BON my car's build date is 10/64 and the stamped engine assemble date is 5A18F which translates to January 1965. So someone swapped the engine out and replaced it. Jeff You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1651 - Release Date: 9/4/2008 6:57 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 11:50:51 2008 From: To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:48:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine build dates I've never seen that tag in the picture Duke supplied. Where is the tag ? I've been told my engine is a 260 but the block was swapped many years ago in a rebuild. Heads are supposed to be original. Steve B9473720 ---- Ron Fraser wrote: > Jeff > My engine build date is 2 days before yours, Jan 16,1965 with a Tag > date of Jan 1965; my Tiger's build date is Aug 1965. So in my case the > engine build date matches the date on the aluminum engine Tag; then the > engine was stored in the parts bin until August when it was placed into my > Tiger. > > It is possible that there was a production problem and your Tiger received > the 65 engine or there was a problem with the first engine and it had to be > replace with a 2nd engine on the line. > > If you look a TBON you will note that there are only a couple of Tigers > built in Nov of 1964; possible strike or production problem, Holidays, Plant > shut down??? Could be a number of reasons. You could ask Norm if he has > any details. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Jeffrey Nichols > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 12:16 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Engine build dates > > > "The build date on your Tag is 5 - K, Oct 1965 and 66 for the model year, my > Tag Date is Jan 1965, model year 65." > > > Shouldn't that build date match the build date stamped on engine block > located > near the water pump? According to the BON my car's build date is 10/64 > and > the stamped engine assemble date is 5A18F which translates to January 1965. > So someone swapped the engine out and replaced it. > > > > > > Jeff > You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1651 - Release Date: 9/4/2008 > 6:57 AM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten@ca.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 14:35:57 2008 From: Dick Barker To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:31:13 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Open for Inspection (was Valve Covers) At 11:00 AM 9/4/2008, Ron Fraser wrote: >...snip...I am surprised that most of these guys don't realize their >valve covers are switched. :0" ...snip...Yes you can physically >switch the covers but the hose plumbing would be a real messy >looking deal and defiantly not stock. ---------- Spotted at Tiger concours events: Note that forward ends of covers have been machined to clear spark plug wires :) What a lot of work! http://www.geocities.com/bobs_diehl/nubackwards.jpg Dick _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 15:59:26 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] One wire alt. problem Recently Ron F.( I think ) posted a drawing to show how he wired his Tiger when he installed a one wire alternator. His alt. also had a small wire that went to the idiot light. Mine doesn't. I can make the system charge but the light wont go off when the key is turned off. I don't have any wires terminated permanently. The way it is working is by connecting the wires going to the middle set of points on the voltage reg. the system charges and the idiot light does go out BUT when I turn the ignition off the light comes back on- making me have to open the closed circuit that gets things charging. I emailed Steve Laiffman as I remember there where other resolutions on the TU website but I couldn't locate the article and Steve replied it was lost in cyber space as he too was unable to locate it and you know how good he is at using the search function. Any help would be appreciated. regards, TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 16:31:23 2008 From: "Duke Samouce" To: "'Jeffrey Nichols'" , Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:29:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine build dates How is this for good stuff? The engine assemble date stamped on my engine is 5K14M which is 14 October 1965 which matches nicely the engine tag I bought (5-K). Looks like I indeed do have the original engine still with the car. It is all coming together nicely. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 11:16 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Engine build dates "The build date on your Tag is 5 - K, Oct 1965 and 66 for the model year, my Tag Date is Jan 1965, model year 65." Shouldn't that build date match the build date stamped on engine block located near the water pump? According to the BON my car's build date is 10/64 and the stamped engine assemble date is 5A18F which translates to January 1965. So someone swapped the engine out and replaced it. Jeff You are subscribed as wsamouce@kc.rr.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 16:51:13 2008 From: "Alan Zeni" To: "tiger" Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:49:22 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Valve train geometry help I was wondering if anyone else has run into this issue - I had my heads rebuilt and had larger intakes put in. Late model valves were used. These valves have a longer tip above the retainer. Now, taking both measurements from a catalog and micing the two style valves, there seems to be about a .154 difference in length. With the 1.6 ratio roller rockers that I am using, it seems to me that if I take the tip difference and divide by the ratio (.09625), I could install pushrods that are .1 shorter and eliminate all of the issues with grinding down the tips. Do my calc's sound kosher? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 16:57:15 2008 From: "Jim Parent" To: "'tiger'" Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:57:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve train geometry help I don't think so. Kosher means ritually correct, according to Halachic dietary laws. Subject: [Tigers] Valve train geometry help Do my calc's sound kosher? Jim _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 17:06:48 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: tiger , Alan Zeni Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve train geometry help Alan- do you have solid or hydrulic lifters? Also the guy doing the head work should have taken care to make the valve stems the same length. Maybe someone knows for sure if the hyd. lifter will allow for the legth. You have some adjustmet on the roller rockers as well. Good luck, TtT --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Alan Zeni wrote: > From: Alan Zeni > Subject: [Tigers] Valve train geometry help > To: "tiger" > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 5:49 PM > I was wondering if anyone else has run into this issue - I > had my heads > rebuilt and had larger intakes put in. Late model valves > were used. These > valves have a longer tip above the retainer. Now, taking > both measurements > from a catalog and micing the two style valves, there seems > to be about a .154 > difference in length. With the 1.6 ratio roller rockers > that I am using, it > seems to me that if I take the tip difference and divide by > the ratio > (.09625), I could install pushrods that are .1 shorter and > eliminate all of > the issues with grinding down the tips. Do my calc's > sound kosher? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 17:07:02 2008 From: "Russ and Tammy C." To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Bellhousing I am in need of a 6 bolt bellhousing for the top loader 4 speed. Where do I look and/or does anyone have one to sell? Thanks, Russ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 17:08:43 2008 From: Drmoonstone@aol.com To: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com, dave@munroe.ca Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:08:31 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil Pressure A look at the oil filter on a TR4 will reveal a similar but factory feature. It's been awhile but this might be adaptable for other uses. Moonstone ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 17:11:18 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Alan Zeni" , "tiger" Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:11:04 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve train geometry help Only if the new valve seats put the face of the valve in the same place... You might want to check that. Best plan is to set up a pair of valves with some light springs and adjustable pushrods, and then determine the optimum pushrod length that centers the roller travel on the valve tip. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alan Zeni Sent: September 4, 2008 4:49 PM To: tiger Subject: [Tigers] Valve train geometry help I was wondering if anyone else has run into this issue - I had my heads rebuilt and had larger intakes put in. Late model valves were used. These valves have a longer tip above the retainer. Now, taking both measurements from a catalog and micing the two style valves, there seems to be about a .154 difference in length. With the 1.6 ratio roller rockers that I am using, it seems to me that if I take the tip difference and divide by the ratio (.09625), I could install pushrods that are .1 shorter and eliminate all of the issues with grinding down the tips. Do my calc's sound kosher? You are subscribed as theo.smit@dynastream.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 17:21:16 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Russ and Tammy C." Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:15:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bellhousing http://www.quicktimeinc.com/products.html On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Russ and Tammy C. wrote: > I am in need of a 6 bolt bellhousing for the top loader 4 speed. Where do I > look and/or does anyone have one to sell? > > Thanks, Russ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 17:21:28 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: Alan Zeni , tiger Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:16:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve train geometry help Go to this page and check out the process, very well outlined. Who is to say the orig pushrods were correct? If the heads were milled, different cam base circle, etc. It's nice to have a checking spring and adjustable pushrod it makes it a lot easier. Check out the article, very informative... http://www.compcams.com/information/Products/Pushrods/ HTH Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Alan Zeni To: tiger Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 3:49:22 PM Subject: [Tigers] Valve train geometry help I was wondering if anyone else has run into this issue - I had my heads rebuilt and had larger intakes put in. Late model valves were used. These valves have a longer tip above the retainer. Now, taking both measurements from a catalog and micing the two style valves, there seems to be about a .154 difference in length. With the 1.6 ratio roller rockers that I am using, it seems to me that if I take the tip difference and divide by the ratio (.09625), I could install pushrods that are .1 shorter and eliminate all of the issues with grinding down the tips. Do my calc's sound kosher? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 17:21:35 2008 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: rtscolgan@yahoo.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:17:46 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bellhousing _http://www.teae.org/forum/_ (http://www.teae.org/forum/) _http://tigerbits.org/_ (http://tigerbits.org/) E-BAY, CRAIGS LIST In a message dated 9/4/2008 4:07:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rtscolgan@yahoo.com writes: **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 17:21:45 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: achd73@yahoo.com, tiger , Alan Zeni Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve train geometry help On some heads the norm is to use the Chevy valves which have a longer stem, usually means longer pushrods to keep the geometry right. Go through the comp cam exercise will get you the info you need to properly size the pushrod. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Tony Somebody To: tiger ; Alan Zeni Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 4:01:52 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve train geometry help Alan- do you have solid or hydrulic lifters? Also the guy doing the head work should have taken care to make the valve stems the same length. Maybe someone knows for sure if the hyd. lifter will allow for the legth. You have some adjustmet on the roller rockers as well. Good luck, TtT --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Alan Zeni wrote: > From: Alan Zeni > Subject: [Tigers] Valve train geometry help > To: "tiger" > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 5:49 PM > I was wondering if anyone else has run into this issue - I > had my heads > rebuilt and had larger intakes put in. Late model valves > were used. These > valves have a longer tip above the retainer. Now, taking > both measurements > from a catalog and micing the two style valves, there seems > to be about a .154 > difference in length. With the 1.6 ratio roller rockers > that I am using, it > seems to me that if I take the tip difference and divide by > the ratio > (.09625), I could install pushrods that are .1 shorter and > eliminate all of > the issues with grinding down the tips. Do my calc's > sound kosher? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 17:24:11 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Russ and Tammy C." Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:24:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bellhousing (the quicktime part number is RM-6063 and it costs $440) On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > http://www.quicktimeinc.com/products.html > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Russ and Tammy C. wrote: >> I am in need of a 6 bolt bellhousing for the top loader 4 speed. Where do I >> look and/or does anyone have one to sell? >> >> Thanks, Russ >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 17:36:14 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Russ and Tammy C." Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:32:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bellhousing its worth noting they also have some non sfi certified ones on clearance for $250. if you just want a nice new well fitting steel bellhousing this is a pretty good deal. On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > (the quicktime part number is RM-6063 and it costs $440) > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: >> http://www.quicktimeinc.com/products.html >> >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Russ and Tammy C. wrote: >>> I am in need of a 6 bolt bellhousing for the top loader 4 speed. Where do I >>> look and/or does anyone have one to sell? >>> >>> Thanks, Russ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com >>> >>> Tigers@autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >>> >>> http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 18:12:28 2008 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: rtscolgan@yahoo.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:12:05 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bellhousing _http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=289+BEL LHOUSING&category0_ (http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=289+BELLHOUSING&category0) = In a message dated 9/4/2008 4:07:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rtscolgan@yahoo.com writes: I am in need of a 6 bolt bellhousing for the top loader 4 speed. Where do I look and/or does anyone have one to sell? Thanks, Russ You are subscribed as aaaglasss@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 18:35:59 2008 From: "Bob Dixon" To: "Russ and Tammy C." , Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:33:27 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bellhousing The tough part is finding the magic bellhousing that mates a 6 bolt small block to the narrow pattern toploader. The aluminum ones are not easy to find since it was more of a transition piece to get rid of the narrow pattern toploader stock. I have one with a crack on the flange around a mounting hole that may be weldable. If you are interested, please let me know and I can send you some pictures. -Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ and Tammy C." To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: [Tigers] Bellhousing >I am in need of a 6 bolt bellhousing for the top loader 4 speed. Where do >I > look and/or does anyone have one to sell? > > Thanks, Russ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 19:14:09 2008 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:13:52 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] large cheddy valves years ago I repaired two sets of heads that had the longer valves and screw in studs installed, when the engine got past 4 grand the rockers arms broke due to insorrect geometry...the bosses in the heads need to be milled down for the screw in studs a the valve stems need tobe shorted, this done on a valve refacing machine, it was to long ago to give measurements, but Ford hot rodder macine shop should be able todo this their sleep, Clyde 382001173 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 22:11:34 2008 From: "Kirk Smith" To: "Dick Barker" , Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:10:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Open for Inspection (was Valve Covers) I guess they didn't realize the fins had been removed from the casting to clear the...FIREWALL! Maybe marking the valve covers left and right would help;) Kirk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Barker" To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 1:31 PM Subject: [Tigers] Open for Inspection (was Valve Covers) > At 11:00 AM 9/4/2008, Ron Fraser wrote: >>...snip...I am surprised that most of these guys don't realize their >>valve covers are switched. :0" ...snip...Yes you can physically >>switch the covers but the hose plumbing would be a real messy >>looking deal and defiantly not stock. > > ---------- > > Spotted at Tiger concours events: > Note that forward ends of covers have been machined to clear spark > plug wires :) > What a lot of work! > > http://www.geocities.com/bobs_diehl/nubackwards.jpg > > Dick > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as twotigers@verizon.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 22:51:46 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Bob Dixon" Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 05:51:30 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bellhousing mine is a normal wide pattern 6 bolt aluminum one that has been modified by welding some threaded bosses in to convert it to the narrow pattern. if you're handy with a tig welder this is possible but not easy. given the choice i'd rather have a precision made steel one. On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:33 AM, Bob Dixon wrote: > The tough part is finding the magic bellhousing that mates a 6 bolt small > block to the narrow pattern toploader. The aluminum ones are not easy to > find since it was more of a transition piece to get rid of the narrow > pattern toploader stock. > > I have one with a crack on the flange around a mounting hole that may be > weldable. If you are interested, please let me know and I can send you some > pictures. > > -Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russ and Tammy C." > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:03 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Bellhousing > > >>I am in need of a 6 bolt bellhousing for the top loader 4 speed. Where do >>I >> look and/or does anyone have one to sell? >> >> Thanks, Russ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 00:33:09 2008 From: "Ronak, TP (Timothy)" To: Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 02:32:55 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Pushrod length Alan, Pushrod length should be checked every time components are modified. The issue I just went through was installing a set of GT40P heads (Refitted with Chevy valves as I came to understand) on my sons Mustang and the Pushrods had to be custom made .250 inch SHORTER in order to correct the valve train geometry despite all of the other components being relatively stock replacement items. I am pretty sure I go through this in the Lunati Stroker buildup on Tigers United but the quick method to confirm correct length is NOT using math. Test assemble the components and use a previously crushed Head gasket or add .040 for the thickness after the fact to pushrod length (way better to use the gasket or do it during final assembly). Install a SOLID lifter (borrow or make one by welding the plunger with a Mig welder) and paint the end of the valve with a sharpie and install an adjustable length pushrod and rocker assembly with zero lash. Wind the engine over 2 times and then disassemble and observe where the eighth inch wide band of wear is if it is in the center you lucked out. If it is off adjust the length longer or shorter and repeat the process re-coloring the tip of the valve until the band is exactly in the center of the tip. To maximize wear and valve rotation (if you have rotators) you do not want to edge load the valve tip. On my sons car simply swapping one set of Roller rockers for a new set of another brand required a .050 length change to correct the geometry. We (I) decided to use the old rockers. Ironically both sets were 1.6 ratio but resulted in VERY different pushrod lengths. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc. 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 PH: 949-305-5393 Cell: 949-289-3357 FX: 425-955-6268 Email: timothy.ronak@crna.akzonobel.com Personal Email: timronak@cox.net If you received this message in error please inform the sender and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 01:04:02 2008 From: "Ross" To: , "'Beamclub'" Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 00:04:00 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] One wire alt. problem Tony, It sounds like you have one side of the bulb tied to un-switched power. Here is how I wired mine. B+ goes straight to the battery side of the starter solenoid (all the brown wires). I used the same brown wire that used to go to the alternator B+. S goes to keyed power. L goes to the ignition light bulb on the dash. I used the brown green wire that already goes to the light from the warning light simulator. The other side of the light bulb is the white wire that goes to the fuse box for keyed power. That's it. By doing that, you remove these three boxes the alternator relay, control box, and warning light simulator. Hope this helps. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse Subject: [Tigers] One wire alt. problem Recently Ron F.( I think ) posted a drawing to show how he wired his Tiger when he installed a one wire alternator. His alt. also had a small wire that went to the idiot light. Mine doesn't. I can make the system charge but the light wont go off when the key is turned off. I don't have any wires terminated permanently. The way it is working is by connecting the wires going to the middle set of points on the voltage reg. the system charges and the idiot light does go out BUT when I turn the ignition off the light comes back on- making me have to open the closed circuit that gets things charging. I emailed Steve Laiffman as I remember there where other resolutions on the TU website but I couldn't locate the article and Steve replied it was lost in cyber space as he too was unable to locate it and you know how good he is at using the search function. Any help would be appreciated. regards, TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 01:20:55 2008 From: TIGEROOTES@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 03:20:44 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] camshafts Sandy Ganz sganz@pacbell.net writes: > Go to this page and check out the process, very well outlined. Who is to > say > the orig pushrods were correct? If the heads were milled, different cam base > circle, etc. It's nice to have a checking spring and adjustable pushrod it > makes it a lot easier. Check out the article, very informative... > http://www.compcams.com/information/Products/Pushrods/ > > HTH > Sandy > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------------- > Sandy, et al: > If you are interested in Comp Cams, Delta Camshaft in Tacoma, Washington > is a WD (warehouse distributor) for them, in fact they DO the grinding > on-site, for Comp Cams. I've personally known the (still) family owned business > for over twenty years and they are deeply into Vintage Racing, drag racing > etc. Here's their website: www.deltacam.com > > The last time Jerry (recently retired) ground an Tiger camshaft for > me I think it cost me around $80 -- without adding a trademarked name to his > product. This is not a 'shop' this is a genuine product manufacturer and > there customer service is excellent. Check 'em out! > > Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle ************** It's only a deal if > it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 01:23:35 2008 From: TIGEROOTES@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 03:23:26 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] valve covers (Dick Barker's comment) You wrote: Note that forward ends of covers have been machined to clear spark plug wires :) What a lot of work! ---------------------------------------------------- That's TOO funny, Dick! Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 07:38:44 2008 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:35:57 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Ron Davis Radiator for sale...confused, again Listers, There is a Ron Davis aluminum Tiger radiator on eBay, item number "230285901409"... When this radiator first was listed on eBay, I saw it within an hour that it was listed. I called Ron Davis' company and asked what a new one costs, and what was the lead time to get one, they told me the radiator was 545.00 + shipping and would be ready to ship in approximately 3 weeks. The one on eBay started out at 99 dollars and I immediately offered the guy 250 ( and I knew it was low, but heck, it never hurts to ask) he was very polite, he and I negotiated and basically he would have taken about 340 + shipping for it at the time, to end the auction early. Now it looks like I should have done it since it has bid all the way up to 515.00 as of this morning, but I really wasn't looking for one, I just considered it lightly.... But this is what confuses me. I admit this radiator looks as good as new, but he says it is several years old and was installed ( but not run) on his late brothers car. Buying it from him on eBay it will not come with a warranty, no receipt, and could have something wrong with it...or at least you are taking the sellers word like everything else...and will have shipping cost associated with it just like the new one would. Right now the cost of the radiator is within 30 bucks of the cost of a new one...and it has over 2 days left....and prices always go up some at the last minute. I know we have seen this before and discussed it with regards to the lat valve covers and other bits, but I guess I feel compelled to scream out at the list....especially if the buyers are out there listening. ....WHY WOULD ANYONE PAY FULL VALUE OR MORE THAN FULL VALUE for a used part when the new one is available, with receipt and warrant and has almost no wait time!!!! I truly do not understand.... Thanks everyone for letting me get on my soapbox for a brief second. Obviously this doesn't hurt anyone but the buyer himself, and maybe he or she has their reasons.... Cullen B382001452 LROFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 08:01:22 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Cullen McCann" , Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:01:13 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ron Davis Radiator for sale...confused, again That happens all the time. As a longtime eBay user, I've found that there are a LOT of items that end up going for more than the street price or even MSRP, especially computer gear. You have to know what you are bidding on, know its value, and stop when it's no longer a good deal. When there are two people caught up in the frenzy of trying to outbid each other, or if there is a bidder who doesn't know that the item is still available new for the same price, then the knowledgeable buyer has to get out. In the Tiger world this seems to happen quite often with gear that Rick from SS sells, especially the valve covers. There was also the used LAT hood that went for over $1100. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann Sent: September 5, 2008 7:36 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Ron Davis Radiator for sale...confused, again Listers, There is a Ron Davis aluminum Tiger radiator on eBay, item number "230285901409"... Thanks everyone for letting me get on my soapbox for a brief second. Obviously this doesn't hurt anyone but the buyer himself, and maybe he or she has their reasons.... Cullen _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 08:18:00 2008 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:17:54 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay Madness "WHY WOULD ANYONE PAY FULL VALUE OR MORE THAN FULL VALUE for a used part when the new one is available, with receipt and warrant and has almost no wait time!!!! I truly do not understand...." This happens all the time with traction bars, water pumps, you name it. A couple of weeks ago, I bid on a LAT hood that had sitting in a garage for years It sold for the retail price. A couple of times I have emailed some of the bidders who finished second and they are clueless that these things are available. I think part of it is bidding fever. They get all hyped up and no one will out bid them, by God! On another note, I get suspicious with auctions that have hidden bidders. I always wonder if the guy selling is not putting in a few bids of their own to jack up the price. The is no way to tell if you don't know who you are bidding against. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 08:27:55 2008 From: Cullen McCann To: Jeffrey Nichols , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:25:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay Madness I agree that's true. Ebay wont let you bid on it yourself with your own account, and there is nothing to stop someone's family member from bidding on it. But I will say this, one time, years ago, I told my brother to buy it from me on eBay if the bid didn't reach a certain point, and I was legitimately going to sell it to him...and he did and took possession of the item. About a week later, both our accounts were suspended, eBay said they found similarities in our accounts and we were under investigation. I got my account reactivated, but it took weeks of letters and hard work convincing them that he did in fact buy the item from me. Plus this guy selling it would have sold it to me outside of the auction....if I had agreed to the price, and one day 1.... I think my reason for addressing the list with this was simply that if the buyers are listening, that I kinda feel sorry for them for getting wound up like this....and that I encourage them to not fall into that auction mentality...because it seems really.....shallow to me, without trying to be too judgmental. I basically want to talk them out of it....but yet I shouldn't. Let them do what they want. And from the seller's perspective, I'll bet that most of us wouldn't mind if something got overbid....we wouldn't turn it down...right? C Subject: Ebay Madness "WHY WOULD ANYONE PAY FULL VALUE OR MORE THAN FULL VALUE for a used part when the new one is available, with receipt and warrant and has almost no wait time!!!! I truly do not understand...." This happens all the time with traction bars, water pumps, you name it. A couple of weeks ago, I bid on a LAT hood that had sitting in a garage for years It sold for the retail price. A couple of times I have emailed some of the bidders who finished second and they are clueless that these things are available. I think part of it is bidding fever. They get all hyped up and no one will out bid them, by God! On another note, I get suspicious with auctions that have hidden bidders. I always wonder if the guy selling is not putting in a few bids of their own to jack up the price. The is no way to tell if you don't know who you are bidding against. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 08:52:10 2008 From: vegaslegal@aol.com To: shutchin@netjets.com Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:51:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What is the "correct" engine color? All original powertrain, never touched under the bonnet--black on 382000975 -----Original Message----- From: Scott Hutchinson To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 6:31 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] What is the "correct" engine color? Hey, we could have another poll. 382000829. Black. TBON shows the cutover to blue a bit earlier than this. I would love to know if there is anyone else out there who has a black engine in a car somewhere near this vin. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. You are subscribed as vegaslegal@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 09:32:54 2008 From: "Will Seay" To: , "Norman C. Miller" Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:32:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 engine tag and the 510 designation and TBON#2 Norm, Glad to hear that TBON book two is on the way. Hurry up, we need it. - Will 382001570 ____________________________ Will Seay wseay@embarqmail.com ...snip...Details covering power plants, gearboxes - and various "ship loose" items are chronicled in documents that will be included in my slowly developing second volume on the Sunbeam Tiger. I must admit to not being in too much of a hurry to finish "book two", but it is taking shape sortaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 10:11:29 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: "Smit, Theo" , Cullen McCann Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ron Davis Radiator for sale...confused, again Lame, the only thing is that you won't have to wait the longish lead time from Rod Davis. But other then that, lame. ----- Original Message ---- From: "Smit, Theo" To: Cullen McCann ; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 7:01:13 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ron Davis Radiator for sale...confused, again That happens all the time. As a longtime eBay user, I've found that there are a LOT of items that end up going for more than the street price or even MSRP, especially computer gear. You have to know what you are bidding on, know its value, and stop when it's no longer a good deal. When there are two people caught up in the frenzy of trying to outbid each other, or if there is a bidder who doesn't know that the item is still available new for the same price, then the knowledgeable buyer has to get out. In the Tiger world this seems to happen quite often with gear that Rick from SS sells, especially the valve covers. There was also the used LAT hood that went for over $1100. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann Sent: September 5, 2008 7:36 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Ron Davis Radiator for sale...confused, again Listers, There is a Ron Davis aluminum Tiger radiator on eBay, item number "230285901409"... Thanks everyone for letting me get on my soapbox for a brief second. Obviously this doesn't hurt anyone but the buyer himself, and maybe he or she has their reasons.... Cullen _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 10:31:18 2008 From: cmeinel464@aol.com To: cmccann@lwpb.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:31:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay Madness We have been selling Sunbeam parts for over 35 years and last year we opened an Ebay store to try to educated Sunbeam owners that these supposed rare item are available new and at reasonable prices.? I get a big kick out of Ebayers bidding up items to 200-500% of retail.? Best regards, Curt Meinel Classic Sunbeam Inc. ? -----Original Message----- From: Cullen McCann To: Jeffrey Nichols ; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 9:25 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay Madness I agree that's true. Ebay wont let you bid on it yourself with your own account, and there is nothing to stop someone's family member from bidding on it. But I will say this, one time, years ago, I told my brother to buy it from me on eBay if the bid didn't reach a certain point, and I was legitimately going to sell it to him...and he did and took possession of the item. About a week later, both our accounts were suspended, eBay said they found similarities in our accounts and we were under investigation. I got my account reactivated, but it took weeks of letters and hard work convincing them that he did in fact buy the item from me. Plus this guy selling it would have sold it to me outside of the auction....if I had agreed to the price, and one day 1.... I think my reason for addressing the list with this was simply that if the buyers are listening, that I kinda feel sorry for them for getting wound up like this....and that I encourage them to not fall into that auction mentality...because it seems really.....shallow to me, without trying to be too judgmental. I basically want to talk them out of it....but yet I shouldn't. Let them do what they want. And from the seller's perspective, I'll bet that most of us wouldn't mind if something got overbid....we wouldn't turn it down...right? C Subject: Ebay Madness "WHY WOULD ANYONE PAY FULL VALUE OR MORE THAN FULL VALUE for a used part when the new one is available, with receipt and warrant and has almost no wait time!!!! I truly do not understand...." This happens all the time with traction bars, water pumps, you name it. A couple of weeks ago, I bid on a LAT hood that had sitting in a garage for years It sold for the retail price. A couple of times I have emailed some of the bidders who finished second and they are clueless that these things are available. I think part of it is bidding fever. They get all hyped up and no one will out bid them, by God! On another note, I get suspicious with auctions that have hidden bidders. I always wonder if the guy selling is not putting in a few bids of their own to jack up the price. The is no way to tell if you don't know who you are bidding against. Jeff You are subscribed as cmeinel464@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 10:52:36 2008 From: Paul Memont To: Jeffrey Nichols Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:52:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay Madness Hi Jeffrey, I have sold many items and more than a few Tiger items on ebay. I ALWAYS tell the truth and include many photos and all information I know about the item. I research everything I sell to find out if it is available new and if so I include the price and where it can be purchased. I always answer all questions and always offer a full refund of the purchase price if the buyer is not satisfied. That being said, lots of Tiger parts and other used or "new old stock" items are not available. In these cases I very much understand the price they pay. On parts that can be had elsewhere I have ended up getting a higher price only a few times but usually the end price of these items is somewhere between 50 and 80% of the new cost. I always research before I buy anything on ebay and often do what you suggest, I buy new! People sometimes easily get caught up in the bidding fever. That's why ebay says "WIN"! Paul Jeffrey Nichols wrote: > "WHY WOULD ANYONE PAY FULL VALUE OR MORE THAN FULL > VALUE for a used part when the new one is available, with receipt and warrant > and has almost no wait time!!!! I truly do not understand...." > > > This happens all the time with traction bars, water pumps, you name it. A > couple of weeks ago, I bid on a LAT hood that had sitting in a garage for > years It sold for the retail price. A couple of times I have emailed some of > the bidders who finished second and they are clueless that these things are > available. I think part of it is bidding fever. They get all hyped up and no > one will out bid them, by God! > > On another note, I get suspicious with auctions that have hidden bidders. I > always wonder if the guy selling is not putting in a few bids of their own to > jack up the price. The is no way to tell if you don't know who you are > bidding against. > > > > > > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 16:35:19 2008 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:34:42 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Britsh Car Festival this Sunday The Chicago British Car Festival is this Sunday at the Moraine Valley Community College in Palos Heights, IL. BE THERE OR BE SQUARE !!! I'll be working Registration again. I'll have a shelter set up. Look for the Sunbeam Sign. Dave **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 17:16:38 2008 From: "michael king" To: "Cullen McCann" Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:16:24 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay Madness > Plus this guy selling it would have sold > it to me outside of the auction....if I had agreed to the price, and one > day > 1.... > > > C I guess you also have to look at the fact that you are doing the wrong thing too. If it doesnt have a buy it now price and you try and buy it outside the auction you and the seller are both i nthe wrong. As for new stff selling for more than its cost.. the traction master cars are my favourite, i thin the sellers name is hjimports55 or some such.. sells "original" traction masters with an opening bid of $175, i have seen these go on his auctions for 3-400+... he is buying them from traction master in USA for 175+35 shipping! > > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 17:22:17 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:22:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay Madness I've been on both sides of the "side offer" on Ebay. A number of times an item I dearly wanted was suspiciously pulled - to my frustration. On the other hand when I was looking for a Pinto to build my Turbo Pinto the seller stated the car was "listed local and might sell before the auction ends." I found it on Craig's list (with a final price) and closed the deal - to my happiness. To my knowledge Ebay does not allow pulling an auctioned item, especially to sell in another market. However, I often see, "listed local and might sell before the auction ends," yet Ebay lets the item be posted. I guess it's one of the last "sticking it to the MAN" things left. Worldwide advertising, - for a minimal listing fee. THEN..., there was my Halda Twinmaster I tried selling on Ebay - TWICE! Both times I stipulated USA sale only. Twice European bidders won and then wanted the deal done on their terms. I ate about $40 in fees (it sold in the $900 range both times) and the thing is still sitting on my shelf! It took HOURS to get the fees cancelled the first time and in spite of being as cheap as I can be, I still didn't want to bother the second time. E-PAY UGHhhhh! Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1654 - Release Date: 9/5/2008 1:24 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 21:25:17 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:19:17 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Loud exhaust - non Tiger A new study in the UK confirms that women like fast cars, but apparently it's not the sexy curves of a Lamborghini, Maserati or Ferrari that turns them on. Researchers discovered that it's actually the loud sound of their engines revving that gets a woman's motor to hum. The study was conducted with 40 participants that included both men and women who were played recordings of a Maserati, Lamborghini, Ferrari and Volkswagen Polo engine. Afterwards they got their saliva swabbed and analyzed for the presence of testosterone. A higher level of the hormone in their spit indicated that the subjects were more aroused, and the results revealed that 100% of the female participants experienced a big jump in testosterone levels after listening to the Maserati. Chances are the Maserati engine was actually sourced from Ferrari, but we don't know if the results after listening to the Maranello mill were identical. And what happened after participants heard the Polo's wheezy motor? Testosterone levels fell across the board. **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 21:25:26 2008 From: "steve wick" To: "tigers" Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:20:22 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable I finally got my rear end rebuilt and am reinstalling it. Quick question since I forgot to take pictures when I was taking everything apart. Does the e-brake cable route on top of the axle tube or under it? By the way, I've discovered a missing panhard bar and a hole in my frame where the mount used to be. Looks like this winter I'll be getting Tom's kit and doing some welding. Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 00:21:49 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] One wire alt I recently posted a question concering one wire alternators. Theo sent a reply as did someone else. I have the email Theo sent but I cant remember whom the other reply was from and I also cant find it ANYWHER in my yahoo account. Including folders, sent, deleted etc. Would that member plaes resend his version of wiring the one wire so the idiot light goes out properly. I am sure Theos idea will work but I want as much info as possible. Thanks, Tony _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 07:14:00 2008 From: "Duke Samouce" To: "'steve wick'" , "'tigers'" Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 08:13:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable Why replace a poorly engineered piece of equipment? I do not have a panhard rod or traction bars installed and have no problems with wheel hop. I can do some nice burn-outs too. I do have Dales springs installed. The panhard and traction bars were installed due to the original spring poor design. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steve wick Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:20 PM To: tigers Subject: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable I've discovered a missing panhard bar and a hole in my frame where the mount used to be. Looks like this winter I'll be getting Tom's kit and doing some welding. Steve You are subscribed as wsamouce@kc.rr.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 07:30:17 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 08:30:03 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Re Loud exhaust - non Tiger Is this what causes them to grow mustaches later in life. -- Bill -- Cut from below-- ----and the results revealed that 100% of the female participants experienced a big jump in testosterone levels after listening to the Maserati. ---- A new study in the UK confirms that women like fast cars, but apparently it's not the sexy curves of a Lamborghini, Maserati or Ferrari that turns them on. Researchers discovered that it's actually the loud sound of their engines revving that gets a woman's motor to hum. The study was conducted with 40 participants that included both men and women who were played recordings of a Maserati, Lamborghini, Ferrari and Volkswagen Polo engine. Afterwards they got their saliva swabbed and analyzed for the presence of testosterone. A higher level of the hormone in their spit indicated that the subjects were more aroused, ----and the results revealed that 100% of the female participants experienced a big jump in testosterone levels after listening to the Maserati.----- Chances are the Maserati engine was actually sourced from Ferrari, but we don't know if the results after listening to the Maranello mill were identical. And what happened after participants heard the Polo's wheezy motor? Testosterone levels fell across the board. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 07:35:36 2008 From: Chris Thompson To: Paul Memont Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 09:34:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay Madness Actually the key to E-bay's success is their "sealed bid" process, where you put in the maximum you are willing to pay, yet at the end of the auction you pay only 2% or whatever more than the second highest bidder. Countless academics with too much time on their hands study these things, and this method is consistently shown to get people to bid the most - much more than can be attained by a "live" auction. And it's shown time and again by E-bay neophytes who sit and watch an auction for the last few minutes and try to get the last bid in and always lose to the person who just put in the highest price they are willing to pay and then wait to get the e-mail to tell them if they won or not, and how much they are paying..... Like they say, knowledge is power. Within a few weeks of me scanning the Tiger parts manual and putting it up on TigersUnited, some joker downloaded it, burned it on a CD, and started selling it on E-bay for $25, and has been for the past several years. I wonder just how many of these he's sold - what anybody in the world who can get on E-bay can actually get for free. I suspect quite a few..... Chris BB382000331 Paul Memont wrote: > People sometimes easily get caught up in the bidding fever. That's why > ebay says "WIN"! > > Paul _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 07:48:59 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'steve wick'" , "'tigers'" Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:48:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable Steve The e-brake cable and rod runs parallel to the back of the axle straight across from brake lever arm to lever arm. The cable from the cabin to the e-brake runs under the axle. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steve wick Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 11:20 PM To: tigers Subject: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable I finally got my rear end rebuilt and am reinstalling it. Quick question since I forgot to take pictures when I was taking everything apart. Does the e-brake cable route on top of the axle tube or under it? By the way, I've discovered a missing panhard bar and a hole in my frame where the mount used to be. Looks like this winter I'll be getting Tom's kit and doing some welding. Steve You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1653 - Release Date: 9/5/2008 6:57 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 08:14:01 2008 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: CoolVT@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:13:51 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Loud exhaust - non Tiger I wonder if the RPM of the motor made any difference. Fred Baum 9470768 **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 08:15:32 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: FHSLOTH13@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:15:21 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Loud exhaust - non Tiger >From personal experience, the more the engine gets wound the more the female gets wound:-) **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 08:18:05 2008 From: "steve wick" To: "'tigers'" , "Duke Samouce" Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 07:17:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable Well one concern is the large hole in a sheet metal frame, and I'm wondering if the lack of one might be the reason the car seems so eager to oversteer in a tight corner. I have traction bars and Koni shocks, so the wheel hop hasn't really been a problem so far. Out of curiosity, why were the springs a poor design? They look fairly conventional to me, just smaller. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Duke Samouce To: 'steve wick' ; 'tigers' Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 6:13 AM Subject: RE: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable Why replace a poorly engineered piece of equipment? I do not have a panhard rod or traction bars installed and have no problems with wheel hop. I can do some nice burn-outs too. I do have Dales springs installed. The panhard and traction bars were installed due to the original spring poor design. Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 08:35:55 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:35:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable Steve I don't think saying they were a poor design is completely correct. I bought a 65 Mustang new and had problems with wheel hop just like everyone else at the time. I just got an additional leaf from the junk yard that I cut just shorter than the longest leaf and added it which stopped all wheel hop. I think that the manufacturers put springs on the cars that they thought would be a happy medium for most people and were afraid that if they put a set of springs on them that would stop wheel hop they would be too stiff for most others. Also I think most of the excessive oversteer is caused by the Ackermann angles being wrong in the front steering which is a design flaw. -- Bill -- -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mrlau=charter.net@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mrlau=charter.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steve wick Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 9:18 AM To: 'tigers'; Duke Samouce Subject: Re: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable Well one concern is the large hole in a sheet metal frame, and I'm wondering if the lack of one might be the reason the car seems so eager to oversteer in a tight corner. I have traction bars and Koni shocks, so the wheel hop hasn't really been a problem so far. Out of curiosity, why were the springs a poor design? They look fairly conventional to me, just smaller. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Duke Samouce To: 'steve wick' ; 'tigers' Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 6:13 AM Subject: RE: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable Why replace a poorly engineered piece of equipment? I do not have a panhard rod or traction bars installed and have no problems with wheel hop. I can do some nice burn-outs too. I do have Dales springs installed. The panhard and traction bars were installed due to the original spring poor design. Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 08:45:58 2008 From: "Duke Samouce" To: "'steve wick'" , "'tigers'" Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:45:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable My .02, The springs were designed for the Series V Alpine and are way too soft for the Tigers HP even, even stock. The SV Alpine was a touring car that was designed for a smooth , soft ride. Look at any US Muscle car from that era, they have 3-4 leaves and are quite stiff to handle the live rear axles of the day. Dales springs have four leaves with a fifth half leave that is mounted on the top front = of the spring. They also do not have that front massive bushing. The front bushing is 1 just like the rear. The soft springs with the large front bushing may be your overstore problem. Also, your traction bars bind up the front = of the spring and make that portion useless. You essentially only have the back = of the spring working for you at that point. I had the LAT weld on traction bars. When I removed them, they were both bent in different areas. My panhard bar was still installed and the body is intact. I attest that to the original engine and the car being off the road since 1972. I would have eventually pulled out. Duke B382002037 From: steve wick [mailto:srwick@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 9:18 AM To: 'tigers'; Duke Samouce Subject: Re: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable Well one concern is the large hole in a sheet metal frame, and I'm wondering if the lack of one might be the reason the car seems so eager to oversteer in a tight corner. I have traction bars and Koni shocks, so the wheel hop hasn't really been a problem so far. Out of curiosity, why were the springs a poor design? They look fairly conventional to me, just smaller. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Duke Samouce To: 'steve wick' ; 'tigers' Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 6:13 AM Subject: RE: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable Why replace a poorly engineered piece of equipment? I do not have a panhard rod or traction bars installed and have no problems with wheel hop. I can do some nice burn-outs too. I do have Dales springs installed. The panhard and traction bars were installed due to the original spring poor design. Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 08:53:17 2008 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:53:05 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Rear Springs It's not that they were poorly designed, its that they were meant for a Alpine with a lot less horsepower. If you remount the panhard bar, you may want to move the chassis bracket to the other side like they did on the later MKII. Although, if your rear axel is ready to be reinstalled, you will probably pass this part because you will have to cut off the old bracket and weld on a new one. I saw a Tiger at the Sunbeam Invasion that has a quad mount shock on the rear axel to control wheel hop. Two shocks vertical and two mounted horizontal. Now thats a interesting solution to the problem. My Thunderbird Turbo had the same set up. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 09:02:14 2008 From: motoys2001@comcast.net To: "Jeffrey Nichols" , Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 15:02:02 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear Springs I have the quad shock setup on my tiger as well as the traction masters. Great for wheel hop control, terrible for high speed cornering lifting the inboard wheel off the ground, see image http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.classictiger.com/pictures/vicioso.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.classictiger.com/pictures/images.html&h=1176&w=1788&sz=1335&hl=en&start=3&usg=__KewP2GOdbQZrLzTCBebUvaAvxXI=&tbnid=-d3COITJjjwwEM:&tbnh=99&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dvicioso%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG Both the quads and the traction masters are bent from the torque. Henry V _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 09:10:46 2008 From: motoys2001@comcast.net To: CoolVT@aol.com, FHSLOTH13@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 15:10:05 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Loud exhaust - non Tiger It frequency and amplitude... get a girl on a Harley, you'll see! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 17:11:36 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: CoolVT@aol.com Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 16:11:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Loud exhaust - non Tiger Gang, How many of you are shaking your head about "testosterone" levels in women? The "Google Knows!" http://www.thebody.com/content/art32237.html ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com CoolVT@aol.com wrote: > A new study in the UK confirms that women like fast cars, but apparently > it's not the sexy curves of a Lamborghini, Maserati or Ferrari that turns them > on. Researchers discovered that it's actually the loud sound of their engines > revving that gets a woman's motor to hum. The study was conducted with 40 > participants that included both men and women who were played recordings of a > Maserati, Lamborghini, Ferrari and Volkswagen Polo engine. Afterwards they got > their saliva swabbed and analyzed for the presence of testosterone. A higher > level of the hormone in their spit indicated that the subjects were more > aroused, and the results revealed that 100% of the female participants > experienced a big jump in testosterone levels after listening to the Maserati. Chances > are the Maserati engine was actually sourced from Ferrari, but we don't know > if the results after listening to the Maranello mill were identical. And what > happened after participants heard the Polo's wheezy motor? Testosterone > levels fell across the board. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 17:55:08 2008 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: achd73@yahoo.com, Beamclub Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:52:59 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] One wire alt Hi Tony, With only ONE wire there is no way! Duh, when I installed mine years ago I built a little circuit to light the light if the voltage got too low. Worked but... Later Theo or one of the guys here pointed out that a ONE WIRE alternator really has THREE wires, just pull the little rubber plug on the back of it and access the other two terminals. Now, I forget which one is which but you first need to hook at least one more wire in there... Gary -------------- Original message -------------- From: Tony Somebody > I recently posted a question concering one wire alternators. Theo sent a reply > as did someone else. I have the email Theo sent but I cant remember whom the > other reply was from and I also cant find it ANYWHER in my yahoo account. > Including folders, sent, deleted etc. Would that member plaes resend his version > of wiring the one wire so the idiot light goes out properly. I am sure Theos > idea will work but I want as much info as possible. Thanks, Tony > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 18:29:57 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 17:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re: Ign/ Gen idiot light --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Tony Somebody wrote: > From: Tony Somebody > Subject: Re: Ign/ Gen idiot light > To: "Mark VT Tiger guy" > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 7:10 PM > First I want to Thank Theo, Curt,Dan and others Ive missed > who sent information concerning how to fix my problem w/ a > one wire and the idiot light. I think I can now fix the > idiot light problem, using an alternator with an internal > regulator and no other external wiring, other than the > orginal big brown wire that goes to the battery thru the > selenoid and using the orginal regulator as a junction box > for an orginal apperance. NOW, I have a question for the > group or our electrical members. The idiot light comes on > when you turn the key to the on position. It goes out when > the engine is started and the generator(if rpms are high > enough) or if an alternator is used. BUT it comes back on if > the generator or regulator goes south or the alternator > quits charging- belt breaks, internal or Ford type add on > one wire regulator or the alternator itself quits charging. > I know there is 12 volts from the fuse block going to one > side of the bulb (with key on and light > on) then when the engine is started you get voltage thru a > smaller green/brownn wire, I think that comes from the > charging syestem and the light goes out. Now what exactly > makes the bulb burn? 12 volts to one side and the removal of > voltage from the other side or wire if you prefer. I know > that years ago someone explained the theory of what makes an > idiot light work but like many things, the older I get the > more I forget. Will those that know or even think they know, > explain just exactly how the idiot light works. Thanks, > TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 19:29:58 2008 From: "Ross" To: , "'Beamclub'" Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:30:06 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Re: Ign/ Gen idiot light It is simplicity itself. There must be current flowing in the bulb filament which is a resistance to the current. The filament will heat and you have light. Now for current to flow you must have a difference in potential across the resistance. So, the WHITE switched power connected to one side of the idiot light is at 12 volts and the other side going to the alternator is connected through the some diodes to ground. Now you have a difference in potential when the key is switched on. As the diodes start to develop a voltage level and it gets to 12 volts the light goes out. If the alternator voltage output begins to drop down and the voltage level goes low enough the light will come back on. This is the basic theory. In reality it requires more explanation on how all this plays but this is the basis for the idiot light function. I am sure someone will comment on how the voltage on the starting diodes initiates the alternator charging circuit and why the light does not come on when the output from the alternator goes above 12 volts. But for a basic understanding I think this covers the subject. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:30 PM To: Beamclub Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re: Ign/ Gen idiot light --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Tony Somebody wrote: > From: Tony Somebody > Subject: Re: Ign/ Gen idiot light > To: "Mark VT Tiger guy" > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 7:10 PM > First I want to Thank Theo, Curt,Dan and others Ive missed > who sent information concerning how to fix my problem w/ a > one wire and the idiot light. SNIP--- I know > that years ago someone explained the theory of what makes an > idiot light work but like many things, the older I get the > more I forget. Will those that know or even think they know, > explain just exactly how the idiot light works. Thanks, > TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 19:31:36 2008 From: Tony McNulty To: Steve Laifman , CoolVT@aol.com Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:31:30 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Loud exhaust - non Tiger Whatever I can get ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Loud exhaust - non Tiger > Gang, > > How many of you are shaking your head about "testosterone" levels in > women? > > The "Google Knows!" > > http://www.thebody.com/content/art32237.html > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > CoolVT@aol.com wrote: >> A new study in the UK confirms that women like fast cars, but apparently >> it's not the sexy curves of a Lamborghini, Maserati or Ferrari that >> turns them >> on. Researchers discovered that it's actually the loud sound of their >> engines >> revving that gets a woman's motor to hum. The study was conducted with >> 40 >> participants that included both men and women who were played recordings >> of a >> Maserati, Lamborghini, Ferrari and Volkswagen Polo engine. Afterwards >> they got >> their saliva swabbed and analyzed for the presence of testosterone. A >> higher >> level of the hormone in their spit indicated that the subjects were more >> aroused, and the results revealed that 100% of the female participants >> experienced a big jump in testosterone levels after listening to the >> Maserati. Chances >> are the Maserati engine was actually sourced from Ferrari, but we don't >> know >> if the results after listening to the Maranello mill were identical. And >> what >> happened after participants heard the Polo's wheezy motor? Testosterone >> levels fell across the board. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bamcnulty@optonline.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.17/1655 - Release Date: 9/5/2008 7:05 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 08:32:57 2008 From: "Hall Motors" To: Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 09:20:41 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What is the "correct" engine color? 382000609 also original and black -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+hallmotors=cox.net@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+hallmotors=cox.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of vegaslegal@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:51 AM To: shutchin@netjets.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] What is the "correct" engine color? All original powertrain, never touched under the bonnet--black on 382000975 -----Original Message----- From: Scott Hutchinson To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 6:31 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] What is the "correct" engine color? Hey, we could have another poll. 382000829. Black. TBON shows the cutover to blue a bit earlier than this. I would love to know if there is anyone else out there who has a black engine in a car somewhere near this vin. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. You are subscribed as vegaslegal@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as hallmotors@cox.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 12:49:10 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , , "'Alpines'" Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 14:48:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bonneville World of Speed... Mayf You will never disappoint us, we applaud you. We understand Herculean effort it takes to push yourself and a car "to infinity and beyond". The best always. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 1:51 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net; Alpines Subject: [Tigers] Bonneville World of Speed... Folks, the world's fastest sunbeam (wannabe) will not make the trip to the salt in September. I had recent dental surgery, 8 implants installed and my mouth is a wreck. I had planned for the operation to occur in mid Agust which would have been fine but it slid out until Sept 4th. I had major bone grafting to allow the implants to be installed and that took longer to ossify and heal than expected. I am still eating mush or similar. And the car is missing some of it's instrumentation. The Innovate air fuel sensor controller went belly up and it is off being repaired. And the car is in great need of additional weight and some longitudinal stability. As verified by the last run I made at Speed Week. Whooeeee! With the water injection off and some new found spark advance I headed down the salt at a truly blistering pace. I hit my rpm almost a mile or more faster than ever before (ie my on pace rpm would generally be at the 3 mile but I was there at 1.2 mils this time).. And then some slick salt, lol. Rear end slid out when traction was lost. So I need to add about 500 or 600 lbs to the car to account for teh added torque at teh rear wheels, change its polar moment of inertia upward and add some aero stability as well in the form of a spoiler. So lots of work to do before I go back. Very sorry to disappoint all of you who have ben very supportive. Just not possible right now. mayf, sadly You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.17/1657 - Release Date: 9/6/2008 8:07 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 14:42:00 2008 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:41:20 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] idiot light Listers, When the ignition is turned on 12v go to the bulb, the other side goes to the altenator, that terminal is ground for the light until it starts to charge, at that point 12v are feed back to the light, thus making it turn off with 12v positive to both sides, Clyde 382001173 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 14:46:07 2008 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:45:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] te/ae crab feast Thanks to Tom/Kathy for a very nice afternoon, to bad it rained, no Sunbeams present, but the new barn provided a great place out of the weather, I'm new to the group, it was nice to see so many people present, looking froward to October, Clyde 382001173 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 15:03:17 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 14:03:02 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] [Non-Tiger]: Wooden Supercar? Guys, Steve Coleman sent this link to an interesting site. As to wooden cars, lot's have been made for styling models, as well as fiber glass, clay, etc. But this one is intended to actually be used for transportation. Sure, we've all heard that British Roadsters had wooden frames! But those were only body framing, not chassis. Here is an intended real thing. Why not? (PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE LINKS TO NEARLY NAKED PRINCESS LEA, OR THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN (OZ). ;-) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Coleman wrote: > Ever seen this Steve? Post to listers if you want. > > Steve > > This guy built a supercar almost completely out of wood: > > http://www.geekologie.com/2008/08/wooden_supercar_apparently_bei.php _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 15:28:49 2008 From: Jeff Howarth To: Steve Laifman Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 22:28:00 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Non-Tiger]: Wooden Supercar? the problem with the wooden car is of course that it wooden start! :-) In message <48C44186.3050004@SoCal.rr.com>, Steve Laifman writes >Guys, > >Steve Coleman sent this link to an interesting site. As to wooden >cars, lot's have been made for styling models, as well as fiber glass, >clay, etc. But this one is intended to actually be used for transportation. > >Sure, we've all heard that British Roadsters had wooden frames! But >those were only body framing, not chassis. > >Here is an intended real thing. Why not? (PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE >LINKS TO NEARLY NAKED PRINCESS LEA, OR THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN (OZ). ;-) > >Steve > >___ >Steve Laifman >Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > >Steve Coleman wrote: >> Ever seen this Steve? Post to listers if you want. >> >> Steve >> >> This guy built a supercar almost completely out of wood: >> >> http://www.geekologie.com/2008/08/wooden_supercar_apparently_bei.php >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as jeff@v8tiger.demon.co.uk > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > -- Jeff Howarth _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 15:48:43 2008 From: "Steve Ralsten" To: Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:48:11 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Boot hinge removal I bought the gaskets for under the hinges as my rubber was virtually gone. When I first started reading this list I recall some discussion about boot springs and taking pressure off them but I've forgotten it. If I remove my boot hinge retaining bolts as I going to get an unpleasant surprise ? If so how do I remove the springs ? Thanks Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 16:00:15 2008 From: "Steve Ralsten" To: Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:59:54 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Calif DMV YOM law As I was investigating plate choices for my car I stumbled on some info. Calif has been allowing use of vintage plates on a car that did not originally come with said vintage plates up until model year 1962. It's called the YOM or year of manufacture provision. If you purchased a 1932 Ford from a private party that is currently wearing modern white Calif plates you are allowed to search for original 1932 plates and register the car with those proper year plates (YOM). The catch is the plates MUST be year of manufacture. You can't put 1953 or 1942 or even 1931 plates on a 1932 year car. Anyway the law is extended as of July 1st 2009 to allow the same for model year 1963-1969 cars. Tiger owners that choose to can dress their cars in proper black calif plates even if they were not on the car when purchased. You just have to find the proper year plate with the proper sticker and head to the DMV (after 7/1/2009) Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 16:05:20 2008 From: "Steve Ralsten" To: "Steve Laifman" , "Tiger's Den" Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 14:05:07 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Non-Tiger]: Wooden Supercar? It's difficult to fathom the amount of chassis flex you'd get with a wood car. Must be the worst handling worst riding car ever built. I had a 92 vette with the ttop. As soon as the top came off the car felt like it had a flat tire. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" To: "Tiger's Den" Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: [Tigers] [Non-Tiger]: Wooden Supercar? > Guys, > > Steve Coleman sent this link to an interesting site. As to wooden > cars, lot's have been made for styling models, as well as fiber glass, > clay, etc. But this one is intended to actually be used for > transportation. > > Sure, we've all heard that British Roadsters had wooden frames! But > those were only body framing, not chassis. > > Here is an intended real thing. Why not? (PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE > LINKS TO NEARLY NAKED PRINCESS LEA, OR THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN (OZ). > ;-) > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > Steve Coleman wrote: >> Ever seen this Steve? Post to listers if you want. >> >> Steve >> >> This guy built a supercar almost completely out of wood: >> >> http://www.geekologie.com/2008/08/wooden_supercar_apparently_bei.php _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 16:06:41 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Jeff Howarth" Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:06:28 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Non-Tiger]: Wooden Supercar? seems a bit odd - he's building the wishbones from wood too. can't see how that can be both strong and stiff. why not just use carbon? i think the right word here is 'niche'! On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Jeff Howarth wrote: > the problem with the wooden car is of course that it wooden start! > > > :-) > > > > In message <48C44186.3050004@SoCal.rr.com>, Steve Laifman > writes >>Guys, >> >>Steve Coleman sent this link to an interesting site. As to wooden >>cars, lot's have been made for styling models, as well as fiber glass, >>clay, etc. But this one is intended to actually be used for transportation. >> >>Sure, we've all heard that British Roadsters had wooden frames! But >>those were only body framing, not chassis. >> >>Here is an intended real thing. Why not? (PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE >>LINKS TO NEARLY NAKED PRINCESS LEA, OR THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN (OZ). ;-) >> >>Steve >> >>___ >>Steve Laifman >>Editor - TigersUnited.com >> >> >> >>Steve Coleman wrote: >>> Ever seen this Steve? Post to listers if you want. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> This guy built a supercar almost completely out of wood: >>> >>> http://www.geekologie.com/2008/08/wooden_supercar_apparently_bei.php >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>You are subscribed as jeff@v8tiger.demon.co.uk >> >>Tigers@autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >>http://www.team.net/archive >> > > -- > Jeff Howarth > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 17:19:08 2008 From: "Andy Walker" To: "Steve Ralsten" , Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:18:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Calif DMV YOM law Steve...FYI...Oklahoma's been doing that for years. They call it the "vintage plate" law. They allow an Oklahoma plate from the YOM of the car to be run on any car 21 years or older. The only catch is that the vintage plate number must not be still in use on another vehicle. I've been running a '67 Oklahoma County plate on my Tiger for years now; I bought it from a friend of mine at a swap meet. All we have to do is pay the same fee as for a vanity plate and we get a little sticker to run in the lower left corner of the windshield. We still have to renew the regular plate each year, even though it resides under the driver's seat of my car :-) Take care, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ralsten" To: Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 4:59 PM Subject: [Tigers] Calif DMV YOM law > As I was investigating plate choices for my car I stumbled on some info. > Calif has been allowing use of vintage plates on a car that did not > originally > come with said vintage plates up until model year 1962. It's > called the YOM or year of manufacture provision. If you purchased > a 1932 Ford from a private party that is currently wearing modern > white Calif plates you are allowed to search for original 1932 plates > and register the car with those proper year plates (YOM). > The catch is the plates MUST be year of manufacture. You can't > put 1953 or 1942 or even 1931 plates on a 1932 year car. > > Anyway the law is extended as of July 1st 2009 to allow the same > for model year 1963-1969 cars. Tiger owners that choose to > can dress their cars in proper black calif plates even if they were not > on the car when purchased. You just have to find the proper year plate > with the proper sticker and head to the DMV (after 7/1/2009) > > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as awtiger@cox.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 17:29:42 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com, Tiger's Den Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:29:28 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Non-Tiger]: Wooden Supercar? Both Steve Ralsten and Owain Lloyd show a bit of dis-belief about his wooden car design. It would be good to remember Howard Hughes's SPRUCE GOOSE. Unbelievable sight, in person, and it flew well (by accident ;-) ) Of course he isn't proposing wooden pistons, etc. Many laminate wood structures have been properly designed for load bearing, and - looking at bridges, wooden ships and iron men - it has been done for some time. Even "Old Ironsides" was wood, and it bounced canon balls. And there are "plastic cars" as well, as Shelby replicas show! It is not so much the materials, but the designer, in many cases. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Owain Lloyd wrote: > seems a bit odd - he's building the wishbones from wood too. > > can't see how that can be both strong and stiff. why not just use carbon? > > i think the right word here is 'niche'! > > > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Jeff Howarth wrote: > >> the problem with the wooden car is of course that it wooden start! >> >> >> :-) >> >> >> >> In message <48C44186.3050004@SoCal.rr.com>, Steve Laifman >> writes >> >>> Guys, >>> >>> Steve Coleman sent this link to an interesting site. As to wooden >>> cars, lot's have been made for styling models, as well as fiber glass, >>> clay, etc. But this one is intended to actually be used for transportation. >>> >>> Sure, we've all heard that British Roadsters had wooden frames! But >>> those were only body framing, not chassis. >>> >>> Here is an intended real thing. Why not? (PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE >>> LINKS TO NEARLY NAKED PRINCESS LEA, OR THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN (OZ). ;-) >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> ___ >>> Steve Laifman >>> Editor - TigersUnited.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Steve Coleman wrote: >>> >>>> Ever seen this Steve? Post to listers if you want. >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> This guy built a supercar almost completely out of wood: >>>> >>>> http://www.geekologie.com/2008/08/wooden_supercar_apparently_bei.php _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 17:36:39 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:36:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Calif DMV YOM law Cool, I have one of those one year only 1939 "California Worlds Fair" plates. Does anyone know if they used only one plate back then??? Regarding the black plates, what distinguishes the by year, (they had a run from the early 60's to the early 70's I recall)? I recall seeing a '63 stamped on some, but after that I recall the sticker tag. 1965 would be my year of interest. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ralsten" To: Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: [Tigers] Calif DMV YOM law > As I was investigating plate choices for my car I stumbled on some info. > Calif has been allowing use of vintage plates on a car that did not > originally > come with said vintage plates up until model year 1962. It's > called the YOM or year of manufacture provision. If you purchased > a 1932 Ford from a private party that is currently wearing modern > white Calif plates you are allowed to search for original 1932 plates > and register the car with those proper year plates (YOM). > The catch is the plates MUST be year of manufacture. You can't > put 1953 or 1942 or even 1931 plates on a 1932 year car. > > Anyway the law is extended as of July 1st 2009 to allow the same > for model year 1963-1969 cars. Tiger owners that choose to > can dress their cars in proper black calif plates even if they were not > on the car when purchased. You just have to find the proper year plate > with the proper sticker and head to the DMV (after 7/1/2009) > > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as atwittsend@verizon.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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You can locate through swap meets or there are a few vendors that sell original Florida tags for the titled year of your vintage car. There is a form to complete and a fee structure that's lower than vanity plates. You send your tag, the form and the fee and in about 4 weeks you get your tag back with the current year sticker applied. The fellow that I buy plates from has quite a selection of NOS plates and if you're lucky he may even have the right county and weight class for your car (he charges around $20.00). I have a 1966 original tag for my Mk1 Tiger,and an original 1965 tag for my 65 Mustang K-Code GT. I think its pretty neat and each year I renew with a sticker to cover the prior year on the tag. Steve Halbrook _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 18:52:45 2008 From: Brock Tella To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:51:17 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Plates There are several companies(http://www.cr8apl8.com/ that make replica plates. I have a personalized plate(QikKtty) Calif. Black/yellow which always generates questions:-) ____________________________________________________________ Click here for easy weight loss help and diet information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nr7aMNDUOrwt1wnvAZwBgOdmKMIhTodOebsg51tPKifaYro/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 20:14:09 2008 From: "Stu Brennan" To: Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 22:13:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Plates I checked the Massachusetts regulations, and we can use "year of manufacture" plates, too. The year on the plate must be the same as the YOM of the car, or the plate that was current when the car was built. I have all the reserved number 5 digit plate the family had back to the late '50's, so I was thinking about this. HOWEVER, if you use one of these plates, you are under the "antique car registration" rules. You can only drive the car for shows, parades, to the repair shop, and stuff like that. For me, it would mean no more dropping off my daughter at school, taking it to work to show off, runs to meetings of local volunteer groups, ice cream runs, etc. Legally, at least. Some members of local antique car clubs have been known to turn in folks they see violating these rules. So maybe I'll make up a bracket so I can pop the old plate on over my new one for shows, and remove it for the drive home. Stu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 07:21:17 2008 From: Carmods@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:20:49 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Soem Help for teh Bonneville Sunbeam.. In a message dated 9/7/2008 6:07:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drmayf@mayfco.com writes: sitting here listening to my gums heal I got to thinking... those clunky headlight rims I have on the car are trult un aerodynamic devices. I know there were the nifty ones on the MKII cars but are therrrre any others that I might use like those? One that can be obained with a small cash outlay and refurbished to work? How about some shaped aluminum for headlight simulation withing those headlight rims? Any ideas out there? Mow about making them out of wood, like that car? John Logan **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 07:42:10 2008 From: Cullen McCann To: michael king Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:38:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay Madness - Ron Davis Radiator ends... It took me a few days to digest this last comment, and I've decided you are correct, that it would be also inappropriate to ask the seller to sell the item outside of ebay under typical circumstances. In fact, ebay rules dictate that this not be done. There is however another scenario that is similar that is in my opinion approaching legitimate. According to ebay standards, rules and regulations, the seller can change his opening bidding price, the buy it now price, add a buy it now price or change the format of his auction ( i.e. a buy it now type, best offer type, auction type...etc.) all before the first bid is made on the item. Ebay actually allows people to end auctions early if the item is for sale locally...the problem is that people use that as a keyword or implied term most of the time to welcome outside offers. But if you are selling a car on a street corner, and running in the auction, it actually is truly appropriate to end the auction according to ebay....all except the last 24 hours of the auction, then that option is revoked. When I offered to buy the radiator, it was before any bids had been made, and the seller told me he would lower the buy it now price and I would have the opportunity to purchase it legitimately at that time. The only questionable element to this process would be me contacting him about the offer, but then again, ebay has provisions to ask the seller questions about item description, how to pay, when to pay, how to ship, shipping costs, etc....specifically. So not to justify this but I feel there are some grey areas to this concept. Point is, before any other bids have been made, there are not near as many rules as after the first bid is made....and those same rules change again, when the auction nears its ending. BTW, the radiator sold for 635.00...+ shipping. That's a hundred bucks over the cost of a new one. I think we saw this coming, and personally I feel sorry for the poor sap that couldn't stop hitting the bid button when the deal no longer became advantageous. Cullen I guess you also have to look at the fact that you are doing the wrong thing too. If it doesnt have a buy it now price and you try and buy it outside the auction you and the seller are both i nthe wrong. As for new stff selling for more than its cost.. the traction master cars are my favourite, i thin the sellers name is hjimports55 or some such.. sells "original" traction masters with an opening bid of $175, i have seen these go on his auctions for 3-400+... he is buying them from traction master in USA for 175+35 shipping! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 07:50:18 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Cullen McCann" Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:47:16 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay Madness - Ron Davis Radiator ends... come on 'fes up. who was the winning bidder? On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Cullen McCann wrote: > It took me a few days to digest this last comment, and I've decided you are > correct, that it would be also inappropriate to ask the seller to sell the > item outside of ebay under typical circumstances. In fact, ebay rules dictate > that this not be done. There is however another scenario that is similar that > is in my opinion approaching legitimate. According to ebay standards, rules > and regulations, the seller can change his opening bidding price, the buy it > now price, add a buy it now price or change the format of his auction ( i.e. a > buy it now type, best offer type, auction type...etc.) all before the first > bid is made on the item. Ebay actually allows people to end auctions early if > the item is for sale locally...the problem is that people use that as a > keyword or implied term most of the time to welcome outside offers. But if you > are selling a car on a street corner, and running in the auction, it actually > is truly appropriate to end the auction according to ebay....all except the > last 24 hours of the auction, then that option is revoked. > > When I offered to buy the radiator, it was before any bids had been made, and > the seller told me he would lower the buy it now price and I would have the > opportunity to purchase it legitimately at that time. The only questionable > element to this process would be me contacting him about the offer, but then > again, ebay has provisions to ask the seller questions about item description, > how to pay, when to pay, how to ship, shipping costs, etc....specifically. So > not to justify this but I feel there are some grey areas to this concept. > Point is, before any other bids have been made, there are not near as many > rules as after the first bid is made....and those same rules change again, > when the auction nears its ending. > > BTW, the radiator sold for 635.00...+ shipping. That's a hundred bucks over > the cost of a new one. I think we saw this coming, and personally I feel sorry > for the poor sap that couldn't stop hitting the bid button when the deal no > longer became advantageous. > > > Cullen > > > > > I guess you also have to look at the fact that you are doing the wrong thing > too. If it doesnt have a buy it now price and you try and buy it outside the > auction you and the seller are both i nthe wrong. > > As for new stff selling for more than its cost.. the traction master cars are > my favourite, i thin the sellers name is hjimports55 or some such.. sells > "original" traction masters with an opening bid of $175, i have seen these go > on his auctions for 3-400+... he is buying them from traction master in USA > for 175+35 shipping! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 07:51:26 2008 From: Cullen McCann To: "owain.lloyd@gmail.com" Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:47:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay Madness - Ron Davis Radiator ends... Lol....not me, I promise....I may be crazy but I aint stupid!!! come on 'fes up. who was the winning bidder? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 07:51:34 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , , "Alpines" Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 07:51:21 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Soem Help for teh Bonneville Sunbeam.. The Mk2 headlight rims were parts-bin-engineered from one of the other Rootes lines, IIRC, so you can possibly find them on other Rootesmobiles of the '67 era. Another option is to get circular rims like the Cobra ones that are pretty readily available, and then use some body filler to build up the contour to hit the peak of the fender. Get well soon, Mayf. Can you set up the extra ballast in the form of a liquid nitrogen refrigeration plant for your intercoolers? Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 08:29:29 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Paul R. Breuhan" , , Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:29:23 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some Help for The Bonneville Sunbeam..MK2 Those are great covers (and decals too). But what you really need are some 7" diameter Dagmars. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul R. Breuhan Sent: September 8, 2008 8:15 AM To: drmayf@mayfco.com; tigers@autox.team.net; Alpines Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some Help for The Bonneville Sunbeam..MK2 HeadlightRims... Mayf, If you can wait...I will be working up some MK2 headlight rims in a plastic resin after the TEAE United in October...so I would guess early/mid November I would have something available. Also spun aluminum headlight covers can be found at Pegasus Auto Racing...you can also get the classic Lucas PL-700 Tri-pod series round headlamp as decals from them (if you like that look) for your race car. http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecId=4851 Paul _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 10:49:39 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:48:16 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] oil coolers quick question about the benefits of an oil cooler. although i no longer have any cooling issues, i'd planned on fitting a small oil cooler under the assumption that the oil tends to cool the lower part of the engine while the coolant is mainly acting on the upper part, so although the thermostat should keep the same water temp, the oil should still be cooler around the crank and bearings. is this a valid assumption? do you think its worth while? i was planning on placing it to the left, in front of the radiator, mounted on the valance behind the grill. i have the bits already (cooler, hose, oil thermostat and check valve) so its only a matter of a few hours work. question is - is it worth my time? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 11:07:32 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:06:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Soem Help for teh Bonneville Sunbeam.. I made some for my Alger by making a mold of plaster of paris and then putting fiberglass cloth strips soaked with fiberglass on the sides to keep it hollow in the inside. I just made the edges longer and then cut and sanded them to fit. This way you can design whatever you want and they are light. Also you can modify a bit so they custom fit your fenders for a smooth fit that still looks stock if it matters. -- Bill -- .. sitting here listening to my gums heal I got to thinking... those clunky headlight rims I have on the car are trult un aerodynamic devices. I know there were the nifty ones on the MKII cars but are therrrre any others that I might use like those? One that can be obained with a small cash outlay and refurbished to work? How about some shaped aluminum for headlight simulation withing those headlight rims? Any ideas out there? mayf _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 11:08:20 2008 From: "Lynn Wall" To: , Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:07:35 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] oil coolers No, Unless you are racing or running your car at the limits an oil cooler will not provide much benefit. Although they look cool if they are in a location where you can see them. The location you are suggesting probably would not get enough airflow to provide any benefit. I researched this quite a bit thinking the same way you were and I could not find a single reputable mechanic that thought it was worth the time or effort unless I was running my car at the extremes I also would be hesitant on putting any heat emitting device in front of the radiator. This would provide some offset to the what little cooling benefits you may get. Just my 2 cents Lynn -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+cars=wt-inc.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+cars=wt-inc.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:48 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] oil coolers quick question about the benefits of an oil cooler. although i no longer have any cooling issues, i'd planned on fitting a small oil cooler under the assumption that the oil tends to cool the lower part of the engine while the coolant is mainly acting on the upper part, so although the thermostat should keep the same water temp, the oil should still be cooler around the crank and bearings. is this a valid assumption? do you think its worth while? i was planning on placing it to the left, in front of the radiator, mounted on the valance behind the grill. i have the bits already (cooler, hose, oil thermostat and check valve) so its only a matter of a few hours work. question is - is it worth my time? You are subscribed as cars@wt-inc.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 11:10:23 2008 From: Steve Sage To: , Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:09:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] oil coolers Owain Lloyd wrote: > quick question about the benefits of an oil cooler.................. > > ....And speaking of oil coolers, in my final push to completely solve the hot gas to the carb. problem that most (all???) Tigers have, I got this suggestion from a hot rod shop here in Tucson, Arizona. They suggest I install a small transmission cooler (maybe where the Alpine and Tiger stock oil cooler goes) and run the fuel line from the pump through that, then up to the carb. They say that several hot rodders with vapor lock/fuel boiling issues have solved the problem with this, and that the trans. coolers handle gasoline with no problem.. Has anyone tried this? Next, if the theory is correct, would a stock Alpine or Tiger oil cooler work for this application (after being pressure tested, etc., of course)? Stock look....cool fuel? Steve Sage Tiger MK1A E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10650e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 11:15:34 2008 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: "Lynn Wall" , , Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:14:49 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] oil coolers I agree. Put a temp gauge in there first. I did and found out I certainly didn't need one. After reading club newsletters for years I was convinced I should put one in first thing.. check your temp first!! Gary -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Lynn Wall" > No, Unless you are racing or running your car at the limits an oil cooler > will not provide much benefit. Although they look cool if they are in a > location where you can see them. The location you are suggesting probably > would not get enough airflow to provide any benefit. > > I researched this quite a bit thinking the same way you were and I could not > find a single reputable mechanic that thought it was worth the time or > effort unless I was running my car at the extremes > > I also would be hesitant on putting any heat emitting device in front of the > radiator. This would provide some offset to the what little cooling > benefits you may get. > > Just my 2 cents > > Lynn _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 11:18:16 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:17:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] oil coolers It would be pretty hard to take heat out of an engine via an oil cooler and then put it back into a radiator and gain heat. Any heat that escapes because of the oil cooler is heat that the radiator doesn't have to deal with. If it can be put so that none of it goes back into the radiator it is of course more of a benefit. That being said it might still not be worth your time, especially if you don't have a problem. For those that do have a problem, every little bit helps. -- Bill -- No, Unless you are racing or running your car at the limits an oil cooler will not provide much benefit. Although they look cool if they are in a location where you can see them. The location you are suggesting probably would not get enough airflow to provide any benefit. I researched this quite a bit thinking the same way you were and I could not find a single reputable mechanic that thought it was worth the time or effort unless I was running my car at the extremes I also would be hesitant on putting any heat emitting device in front of the radiator. This would provide some offset to the what little cooling benefits you may get. Just my 2 cents Lynn -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+cars=wt-inc.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+cars=wt-inc.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:48 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] oil coolers quick question about the benefits of an oil cooler. although i no longer have any cooling issues, i'd planned on fitting a small oil cooler under the assumption that the oil tends to cool the lower part of the engine while the coolant is mainly acting on the upper part, so although the thermostat should keep the same water temp, the oil should still be cooler around the crank and bearings. is this a valid assumption? do you think its worth while? i was planning on placing it to the left, in front of the radiator, mounted on the valance behind the grill. i have the bits already (cooler, hose, oil thermostat and check valve) so its only a matter of a few hours work. question is - is it worth my time? You are subscribed as cars@wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 11:23:01 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Steve Sage" Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:18:35 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] oil coolers Doesn't vapor lock usually occur when the car is parked, or otherwise moving slowly? The amount of heat the fuel picks up is probably proportional to the length of fuel line inside the engine compartment. Running your fuel line from the valence back to the engine is as long a path as it is from the stock fenderwell entry, and it would likewise pick up just that much heat. It would probably be better to chrome or ceramic-coat your fuel line (and the carb float bowl exterior) so as to give it maximum heat reflection ability. Another option is to run a fuel return line back to the tank, with a pressure regulator, and that way you keep the fuel circulating and it gets cooled when it gets dumped back in the tank. The other side of that coin is heating the fuel tank increases the evaporative emissions if the fuel tank cap isn't well sealed. Newer cars have gone back to a returnless fuel system in order to minimize this effect. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Sage Sent: September 8, 2008 11:10 AM Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] oil coolers Owain Lloyd wrote: > quick question about the benefits of an oil cooler.................. > > ....And speaking of oil coolers, in my final push to completely solve the hot gas to the carb. problem that most (all???) Tigers have, I got this suggestion from a hot rod shop here in Tucson, Arizona. They suggest I install a small transmission cooler (maybe where the Alpine and Tiger stock oil cooler goes) and run the fuel line from the pump through that, then up to the carb. They say that several hot rodders with vapor lock/fuel boiling issues have solved the problem with this, and that the trans. coolers handle gasoline with no problem.. Has anyone tried this? Next, if the theory is correct, would a stock Alpine or Tiger oil cooler work for this application (after being pressure tested, etc., of course)? Stock look....cool fuel? Steve Sage Tiger MK1A E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10650e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ You are subscribed as theo.smit@dynastream.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 11:27:14 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "William Lau" Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 18:22:53 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] oil coolers yes, well my assumption on that count is that the radiator has excess capacity and its under the control of the thermostat. (given that it easily maintains what ever the thermostat temp is no matter the ambient temp.). if this is true and the oil cooler is running through a thermostat too, i can't really see any down side. perhaps no upside either though... as far as running at the limit - lets just say the rev counter frequently runs out of room too early. On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:17 PM, William Lau wrote: > It would be pretty hard to take heat out of an engine via an oil cooler and > then put it back into a radiator and gain heat. Any heat that escapes > because of the oil cooler is heat that the radiator doesn't have to deal > with. If it can be put so that none of it goes back into the radiator it is > of course more of a benefit. That being said it might still not be worth > your time, especially if you don't have a problem. For those that do have a > problem, every little bit helps. -- Bill -- > > No, Unless you are racing or running your car at the limits an oil cooler > will not provide much benefit. Although they look cool if they are in a > location where you can see them. The location you are suggesting probably > would not get enough airflow to provide any benefit. > > I researched this quite a bit thinking the same way you were and I could not > find a single reputable mechanic that thought it was worth the time or > effort unless I was running my car at the extremes > > I also would be hesitant on putting any heat emitting device in front of the > radiator. This would provide some offset to the what little cooling > benefits you may get. > > Just my 2 cents > > Lynn > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+cars=wt-inc.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+cars=wt-inc.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain > Lloyd > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:48 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] oil coolers > > quick question about the benefits of an oil cooler. > > although i no longer have any cooling issues, i'd planned on fitting a > small oil cooler under the assumption that the oil tends to cool the > lower part of the engine while the coolant is mainly acting on the > upper part, so although the thermostat should keep the same water > temp, the oil should still be cooler around the crank and bearings. > is this a valid assumption? do you think its worth while? > > i was planning on placing it to the left, in front of the radiator, > mounted on the valance behind the grill. > > i have the bits already (cooler, hose, oil thermostat and check valve) > so its only a matter of a few hours work. question is - is it worth > my time? > You are subscribed as cars@wt-inc.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 11:57:47 2008 From: To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com, William Lau Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:56:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] oil coolers Owain: There's a shop here in OKC that builds and maintains vintage racing cars for clients who race all over the U.S. When I was building my vintage racing Alpine, I visited at length with the chief mechanic over there about cooling the car. His main advice to me was that, given enough radiator capacity for the engine, air management is paramount to properly cooling a car. One of the things I noticed while there was that NONE of the race cars in their shop had the oil coolers mounted in front of the radiators. His comment, when I asked him about that, was why make the radiator have to work harder than it already has to? Placing an oil cooler in front of a radiator will raise the temperature, although slightly, of the air coming out of it. That heated air then goes into the radiator to cool the water. This, of course not as efficient as using ambient air to cool the water. I took his advice and placed my oil cooler (a small MOCAL unit) on the passenger side just behind the lower valance opening. I took the extra step of ducting it to where air coming through the oil cooler could not get to the radiator. I am happy to report no overheating issues whatsoever with that arrangement, even while winding the Alpine engine out to the limit!!! By the way, the same shop that I referred to above was also the shop that maintained the Lister Tiger of Syd Silverman, which he regularly vintage raced. Of course, this is the car now owned by Darrell Mountjoy. Consequently, they have had direct Tiger experience from which to draw. Once again, however, to echo previous respondents, unless you are driving your car at it's rpm limits, I would not go to the trouble or expense to fit a cooler. It won't provide enough of a cooling difference for a street car. Take care, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 12:34:48 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: awtiger@cox.net Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:08:36 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] oil coolers ok, well i'll put a temp gauge in first and if its on the high side (which would be what? over 250?) then i'll put the cooler in the front valance side hole. thanks all. On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:56 PM, wrote: > Owain: > > There's a shop here in OKC that builds and maintains vintage racing cars for clients who race all over the U.S. When I was building my vintage racing Alpine, I visited at length with the chief mechanic over there about cooling the car. His main advice to me was that, given enough radiator capacity for the engine, air management is paramount to properly cooling a car. One of the things I noticed while there was that NONE of the race cars in their shop had the oil coolers mounted in front of the radiators. His comment, when I asked him about that, was why make the radiator have to work harder than it already has to? Placing an oil cooler in front of a radiator will raise the temperature, although slightly, of the air coming out of it. That heated air then goes into the radiator to cool the water. This, of course not as efficient as using ambient air to cool the water. I took his advice and placed my oil cooler (a small MOCAL unit) on the passenger side just behind the lower valance opening. I took the extra step of ducting it to where air coming through the oil cooler could not get to the radiator. I am happy to report no overheating issues whatsoever with that arrangement, even while winding the Alpine engine out to the limit!!! > > By the way, the same shop that I referred to above was also the shop that maintained the Lister Tiger of Syd Silverman, which he regularly vintage raced. Of course, this is the car now owned by Darrell Mountjoy. Consequently, they have had direct Tiger experience from which to draw. > > Once again, however, to echo previous respondents, unless you are driving your car at it's rpm limits, I would not go to the trouble or expense to fit a cooler. It won't provide enough of a cooling difference for a street car. > > Take care, > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE > B9006857LRX _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 13:40:14 2008 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: , Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:33:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Soem Help for teh Bonneville Sunbeam.. Dr mayf, Any chance of using the headlight openings as air intakes a la the Ford Thunderbolts and others from the sixties? I hope your mouth feels better soon. My wife went through the same hell, but it was ultimately well worth it. I wish the same for you. A.C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+v8tracker=gmail.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces+v8tracker=gmail.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 5:07 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net; Alpines > Subject: [Tigers] Soem Help for teh Bonneville Sunbeam.. > > sitting here listening to my gums heal I got to thinking... those clunky > headlight rims I have on the car are trult un aerodynamic devices. I > know there were the nifty ones on the MKII cars but are therrrre any > others that I might use like those? One that can be obained with a small > cash outlay and refurbished to work? How about some shaped aluminum for > headlight simulation withing those headlight rims? Any ideas out there? > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as v8tracker@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 13:56:21 2008 From: "MSN" To: Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:48:43 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Coolers Many studies have shown conclusively that the problem with the Tiger cooling system is lack of air-flow thru the radiator. The single best solution to cooling a properly functioning Tiger (i.e. cooling system is in good shape) at low-speeds is to fit a full fan radiator shroud. The stock shroud covers only the top-half of the fan so the fan pulls air thru the radiator very inefficiently. At speed one wants to ensure that air flows thru - not around - the radiator. This is best accomplished by closing off the horn-holes on either side of the radiator and filling the gap between the cross member and the bottom of the radiator. There used to be a few fellows who made plastic lower fan shrouds. There was also a fellow who made steel plugs for the horn holes (looked like OEM). If they are out there perhaps they would chime in? The gap can be filled with the foam material ordinarily used to cover hot-water pipes. Fix the air-flow problems and there is no need for oil coolers - EVER. Cheers, Wayne _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 13:58:56 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:58:50 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] CA License Plates Probably more than you wanted to know about Calif. Plates. In Calif., you can use original year plates, with DMV costs and permission, but they MUST be legitimate CA plates, both of them, and not replicas. Old plates are sold , and here are some rules During the WWII years the State saved on metal, and made the plates out of a soy bean based plastic. The sun would crumble them, or goats would eat them. Few around, but so were newly registered cars in the era, but lots of out-of-state movers for Aircraft manufacturing. Someday I might tell about the *Santa Monica Douglas Plant *, and the cows that were overhead! I have no information on plates in the early days, but do know that *Calif Plates in the 1914 and on were required on both front and rear. It was not a stoppable offense, but was written up if they pulled you over for some other violation. With the digital intersection cameras, they do pull you over for no front plates, as the cameras are a great revenue generator, and tries to prevent deadly intersection and pedestrian accidents. (IMHO) Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 14:11:29 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: MSN Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:04:03 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil Coolers Sure, Wayne Here is a complete fix for cooling problems. Although Modine may not make the described radiator core, the dimensional specifications given will do the job without the THICK aluminum cores. As usual, it has been on the TigersUnited.com site since Sept., 2001. Photos and Patterns for horn blockers, air guides, etc are also shown. http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com MSN wrote: > Many studies have shown conclusively that the problem with the Tiger cooling > system is lack of air-flow thru the radiator. The single best solution to > cooling a properly functioning Tiger (i.e. cooling system is in good shape) > at low-speeds is to fit a full fan radiator shroud. The stock shroud covers > only the top-half of the fan so the fan pulls air thru the radiator very > inefficiently. > > > > At speed one wants to ensure that air flows thru - not around - the > radiator. This is best accomplished by closing off the horn-holes on either > side of the radiator and filling the gap between the cross member and the > bottom of the radiator. > > > > There used to be a few fellows who made plastic lower fan shrouds. There > was also a fellow who made steel plugs for the horn holes (looked like OEM). > If they are out there perhaps they would chime in? The gap can be filled > with the foam material ordinarily used to cover hot-water pipes. > > > > Fix the air-flow problems and there is no need for oil coolers - EVER. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Wayne > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as slaifman@socal.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 14:44:18 2008 From: "MSN" To: "'Steve Laifman'" Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:43:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil Coolers I bow to the Buanna. Cheers, Wayne -----Original Message----- From: Steve Laifman [mailto:SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 4:04 PM To: MSN Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil Coolers Sure, Wayne Here is a complete fix for cooling problems. Although Modine may not make the described radiator core, the dimensional specifications given will do the job without the THICK aluminum cores. As usual, it has been on the TigersUnited.com site since Sept., 2001. Photos and Patterns for horn blockers, air guides, etc are also shown. http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanVala nce1.asp ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com MSN wrote: > Many studies have shown conclusively that the problem with the Tiger cooling > system is lack of air-flow thru the radiator. The single best solution to > cooling a properly functioning Tiger (i.e. cooling system is in good shape) > at low-speeds is to fit a full fan radiator shroud. The stock shroud covers > only the top-half of the fan so the fan pulls air thru the radiator very > inefficiently. > > > > At speed one wants to ensure that air flows thru - not around - the > radiator. This is best accomplished by closing off the horn-holes on either > side of the radiator and filling the gap between the cross member and the > bottom of the radiator. > > > > There used to be a few fellows who made plastic lower fan shrouds. There > was also a fellow who made steel plugs for the horn holes (looked like OEM). > If they are out there perhaps they would chime in? The gap can be filled > with the foam material ordinarily used to cover hot-water pipes. > > > > Fix the air-flow problems and there is no need for oil coolers - EVER. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Wayne > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as slaifman@socal.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 15:44:03 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:37:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] oil coolers Owain- You might want to have Theo or Tom make you a 7,000 RPM tach. They use one from an Alpine. Tiger tachs are often not accurate as well, so I always shift by ear. Perhaps if I had enough HP, I would make sure I had an accurate tach and have the car put on a dyno, so I would know exactly what rpm I should be shifting at. >From what Ive read and my Tiger experience. If it isnt fixed, dont break it. Im not sure, IMH that you have a problem that an oil cooler would fix. Perhaps if you just have the money and want an oil cooler, than have at it. If you car isnt running hot, the oil isnt either and the SBF does peform best at a warmer temp- not hot but not cool either. regards, TonytheTi _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 16:45:05 2008 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: sralsten@ca.rr.com, SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 18:37:12 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Non-Tiger]: Wooden Supercar? Wooden frame don't seem to bother the Morgan. Perhaps its the sliding pillar suspension. In a message dated 9/7/2008 5:05:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sralsten@ca.rr.com writes: It's difficult to fathom the amount of chassis flex you'd get with a wood car. Must be the worst handling worst riding car ever built. I had a 92 vette with the ttop. As soon as the top came off the car felt like it had a flat tire. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" To: "Tiger's Den" Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: [Tigers] [Non-Tiger]: Wooden Supercar? > Guys, > > Steve Coleman sent this link to an interesting site. As to wooden > cars, lot's have been made for styling models, as well as fiber glass, > clay, etc. But this one is intended to actually be used for > transportation. > > Sure, we've all heard that British Roadsters had wooden frames! But > those were only body framing, not chassis. > > Here is an intended real thing. Why not? (PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE > LINKS TO NEARLY NAKED PRINCESS LEA, OR THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN (OZ). > ;-) > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > Steve Coleman wrote: >> Ever seen this Steve? Post to listers if you want. >> >> Steve >> >> This guy built a supercar almost completely out of wood: >> >> http://www.geekologie.com/2008/08/wooden_supercar_apparently_bei.php You are subscribed as djoh797014@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 16:45:53 2008 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:37:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] oil coolers Long ago, back in the seventies, I had the opportunity to buy a Tiger II that a guy had rolled. I parted the car out (I know, I know) but kept some of the parts for spares, etc. The Tiger II had an oil cooler standard from the factory and I decided to mount it on my Tiger (a MkIA) as it was just a bolt-on operation. I had the oil cooler on the car for many years, but never really noticed any improvement as far as cooling was concerned. As someone else said, it may be an advantage when the car is raced or driven hard, but I never noticed any change. I think that part of the problem is that the oil cooler is mounted in front of the main radiator and, as a result, has two negative effects which are related to one another. First, the oil cooler blocks the flow of cool, outside air to the main radiator and secondly, what air does eventually make its way through the oil cooler to the coolant radiator has had its temperature raised. As a result, you have a couple of competing effects taking place with the net result being not much change. When I restored my Tiger, I took the oil cooler off and have been happy with the result. Of course, I don't have to deal with too many really hot days hereabouts and the engine oils available today are a lot better in many ways than those available when the Tiger was new. I sold the oil cooler on eBay for more than I paid for the wrecked Tiger II. I suspect that if you could find a place for the oil cooler where it was in the normal air stream but not blocking the coolant radiator, it might be an improvement. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 17:15:35 2008 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:12:05 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] vet t tops Guys, That's why they were called "flexi-flyers", but we all know they really didn't fly, today they can't out run a punk driving a civic with his hat on backwards... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 17:34:07 2008 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:32:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] oil coolers Listers, I have installed a cooler on my car, it is from an '89 bmw 3 series, it's long and thin, installed under the radiator so that the warm air air doesn't go through the radiator, I had no real heating issues, I thinks it"kool" and some times I have to much time on my hands when it comes to being creative, I work on on high line european cars for a living, they all have coolers, even with 7-9 qts of oil...you can't see it unless you are on your knees looking up under the front bumper and I only drilled two holes in the car to mount it...confirm that I have never seen a cooler on a production euro car with the cooler in front of the radiator, some domestics, that's a different story...some also have incorporated an oil cooler in the radiator like the trans coolers, somebody thought they worked !! Clyde 382001173 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 17:48:55 2008 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: clydemclaughlin@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:40:53 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] vet t tops That punk could be my #1 son. His Turbo charged twin cam VTEC Civic turns consistant 12's in the quarter on street tires. Redlines at 9000 rpm. The kids are just like us. Lots of enthusiasm, little money, and want to be considered just another gearhead. In a message dated 9/8/2008 6:16:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, clydemclaughlin@verizon.net writes: Guys, That's why they were called "flexi-flyers", but we all know they really didn't fly, today they can't out run a punk driving a civic with his hat on backwards... You are subscribed as djoh797014@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 18:03:41 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] oil coolers Maybe I mean" If it isnt broken, Dont fix it. I would like to say I had just woke up from a nap but I must have been dreaming when I was typing.Pleasant Mon. to the List. Dr. Mayf, I hope you are feeling better by the day. regards, TtT --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Tony Somebody wrote: > From: Tony Somebody > Subject: Re: [Tigers] oil coolers > To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com > Cc: "Beamclub" > Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 4:37 PM > Owain- You might want to have Theo or Tom make you a 7,000 > RPM tach. They use one from an Alpine. Tiger tachs are often > not accurate as well, so I always shift by ear. Perhaps if I > had enough HP, I would make sure I had an accurate tach and > have the car put on a dyno, so I would know exactly what > rpm I should be shifting at. > >From what Ive read and my Tiger experience. If it isnt > fixed, dont break it. Im not sure, IMH that you have a > problem that an oil cooler would fix. Perhaps if you just > have the money and want an oil cooler, than have at it. If > you car isnt running hot, the oil isnt either and the SBF > does peform best at a warmer temp- not hot but not cool > either. regards, TonytheTi > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 18:50:14 2008 From: drmayf To: achd73@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:26:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] oil coolers yes, Tony. Each day brings me closer to being able to gum something, lol. While this was a booger to have done, it was necessary in my case. In my early years with dirt poor farm parents in Tex where at the time no floridation of drinking water was done... Just a bad situation all around but this is gonna help a bunch I think. If I need a shorter bolt, heck, I'll be able to just "nip" it off a bit, eh? Seriously, I am recovering pretty nicely. And thats because of all of the nice notes and well wishes I got from everyone of you! Had that not happened, I would be a grumpy old geezer. Many thanks, everyone! I even felt good enough to go and help an evenolde geezer that is going to run his car in the World of Speed 130 mph club. I don't know how he is gonna make 130 but he is gonna try, lol. His car has a well built I6 300cid Ford but his gearing is dreadful, lol. I don't think it will wind tight enough for him to make 130.. But he has hopes and that's what drives us al, eh? again, many thanks for the happy get well thoughts eveyone! mayf Tony Somebody wrote: >Maybe I mean" If it isnt broken, Dont fix it. I would like to say I had just woke up from a nap but I must have been dreaming when I was typing.Pleasant Mon. to the List. Dr. Mayf, I hope you are feeling better by the day. >regards, TtT > > >--- On Mon, 9/8/08, Tony Somebody wrote: > > > >>From: Tony Somebody >>Subject: Re: [Tigers] oil coolers >>To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com >>Cc: "Beamclub" >>Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 4:37 PM >>Owain- You might want to have Theo or Tom make you a 7,000 >>RPM tach. They use one from an Alpine. Tiger tachs are often >>not accurate as well, so I always shift by ear. Perhaps if I >>had enough HP, I would make sure I had an accurate tach and >>have the car put on a dyno, so I would know exactly what >>rpm I should be shifting at. >>>From what Ive read and my Tiger experience. If it isnt >>fixed, dont break it. Im not sure, IMH that you have a >>problem that an oil cooler would fix. Perhaps if you just >>have the money and want an oil cooler, than have at it. If >>you car isnt running hot, the oil isnt either and the SBF >>does peform best at a warmer temp- not hot but not cool >>either. regards, TonytheTi >>_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 19:20:39 2008 From: Bill Waite To: drmayf@mayfco.com, tigers@autox.team.net, "A. C. Tynes" Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Soem Help for teh Bonneville Sunbeam.. Hey Drmayf: I hope you start feeling better, too. But, I'm thinking you missed your chance with this teeth thing. You should have just let them pull all of them out, and passed on the implants. Instead, you could have had a cheap set of dentures made. If you had gone that route, when you make your next Sunbeam record run you could have left the dentures behind with the pit crew. Think of the weight savings, plus you'd have spent a lot less on the dentist. $$ you could have spent on some trick part that would get you over 204 mph! Feel free to consult with me anytime. No charge. Bill --- On Mon, 9/8/08, A. C. Tynes wrote: From: A. C. Tynes Subject: Re: [Tigers] Soem Help for teh Bonneville Sunbeam.. To: drmayf@mayfco.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 3:33 PM Dr mayf, Any chance of using the headlight openings as air intakes a la the Ford Thunderbolts and others from the sixties? I hope your mouth feels better soon. My wife went through the same hell, but it was ultimately well worth it. I wish the same for you. A.C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+v8tracker=gmail.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces+v8tracker=gmail.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 5:07 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net; Alpines > Subject: [Tigers] Soem Help for teh Bonneville Sunbeam.. > > sitting here listening to my gums heal I got to thinking... those clunky > headlight rims I have on the car are trult un aerodynamic devices. I > know there were the nifty ones on the MKII cars but are therrrre any > others that I might use like those? One that can be obained with a small > cash outlay and refurbished to work? How about some shaped aluminum for > headlight simulation withing those headlight rims? Any ideas out there? > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as v8tracker@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as fordlandia@sbcglobal.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 22:13:13 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:12:47 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] oil coolers Interesting with all the chat about oil coolers. My nephew had one of the 1st generation MR-2's. It had an oil cooler that was integral with the cooling system. Basically there was a bulge in the radiator hose... (really a radiator pipe). The oil passed through and transferred heat to the cooling system. This leaves me to ponder three things: 1. Apparently Toyota had no problem with the oil adding to the heat load of the cooling system. 2. Apparently 220-250 degree oil can benefit from a quick pass by 180 degree coolant. 3. This system actually brings oil up to temp faster adding to fuel mileage and at least from a cold start, more power. 4. I'll add a fourth. Why did my nephew replace the motor (and then immediately replaced it again when that one was bad)? I told him to check for the oil cooler in the first place (which did proved to be bad)? I guess because back then he wore his cap backwards. Come to thing about it, it wasn't the cap, it was his head that wasn't screwed on straight! Tom :-) [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1659 - Release Date: 9/8/2008 7:01 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 22:57:59 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: Thomas Witt , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 21:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] oil coolers I have seen Aeroquip and Fluidyne coolers that do the same thing. I think as long as you have capacity (not the tigers) they are an excellent way to go. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Thomas Witt To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, September 8, 2008 9:12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] oil coolers Interesting with all the chat about oil coolers. My nephew had one of the 1st generation MR-2's. It had an oil cooler that was integral with the cooling system. Basically there was a bulge in the radiator hose... (really a radiator pipe). The oil passed through and transferred heat to the cooling system. This leaves me to ponder three things: 1. Apparently Toyota had no problem with the oil adding to the heat load of the cooling system. 2. Apparently 220-250 degree oil can benefit from a quick pass by 180 degree coolant. 3. This system actually brings oil up to temp faster adding to fuel mileage and at least from a cold start, more power. 4. I'll add a fourth. Why did my nephew replace the motor (and then immediately replaced it again when that one was bad)? I told him to check for the oil cooler in the first place (which did proved to be bad)? I guess because back then he wore his cap backwards. Come to thing about it, it wasn't the cap, it was his head that wasn't screwed on straight! Tom :-) [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1659 - Release Date: 9/8/2008 7:01 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Sep 9 17:53:43 2008 From: "Jim" To: Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 16:52:25 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Alpine tie rod ends Hi listers... I'm making some big steering changes on my Tiger and am looking for a couple of R.H.thread Alpine tie rod ends... S.S. only sells them in L.H/R.H. pairs ...and I know that some of you out there have done Dale's Midget rack swap which only requires the L.H. ones so I'm thinking that if you sourced the parts from S.S that you might have the R.H. ends still around. If anyone can help, let me know... Thanks in advance Jim B382000446 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Sep 9 18:03:56 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: Jim Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:03:39 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine tie rod ends thesunbeamsparescompany.co.uk - but it may well be cheaper for you to buy two pairs from SS. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:52 AM, Jim wrote: > Hi listers... > > I'm making some big steering changes on my Tiger and am looking for a couple > of R.H.thread Alpine tie rod ends... S.S. only sells them in L.H/R.H. pairs > ...and I know that some of you out there have done Dale's Midget rack swap > which only requires the L.H. ones so I'm thinking that if you sourced the > parts from S.S that you might have the R.H. ends still around. If anyone can > help, let me know... > > Thanks in advance > > Jim > B382000446 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Sep 9 19:55:28 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:55:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Rough Tiger on Epay(250290616868) This is meant to be a warning in case any member of the LIST knows anyone bidding this Tiger. I have information from people who have inspected the car it is being misrepresented. Wasnt called an Allger but was questionable. It is very full of bondo- right door doesnt come close to closing properly and the trunk has been replaced w/ an Alpine trunk- notice no pics of the R. side or the trunk. The seller told me he took the car in on trade on a BIG boat but gave me the PO name and number. Scott Mednek is the POs name- number available if anyone is interested etc. I have no interest one way or another on the car but the bid was around 20k w/ days to go. The PO told me the boat guy gave him 30k trade in, as well as another car,cash etc for the 41" boat. Again, Im seding this in case anyone has a friend etc who is attempting to bid the car. Oh I forgot to mention there is lots of very shoddy welding underneath and the X frame looks very rough. Scott told me the car had a little bondo in it but was a nice daily driver- original engine but had a different air cleaner because it has a 4 barell. The car supposedly came from a family friend in Az. who owns 13 Tigers and I thought I had several at one point in time.Ebay no longer allows you to contact a bidder. If I was bidding on a Tiger I think I would go inspect it or know about the car from a group of Listers who had a history of the car. Hopefully the high bidder will get someone near by to inspect the car. regards, TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Sep 9 21:08:09 2008 From: "Jerry and Marlene VanderPool" To: , "Beamclub" Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 20:07:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rough Tiger on Epay(250290616868) Tony, was that a 41 inch boat? It must have been a heck of a boat. Jerry and Marlene with the Candy Apple Tiger in Warrenton, Oregon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Somebody" To: "Beamclub" Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: [Tigers] Rough Tiger on Epay(250290616868) > This is meant to be a warning in case any member of the LIST knows anyone > bidding this Tiger. I have information from people who have inspected the > car it is being misrepresented. Wasnt called an Allger but was > questionable. It is very full of bondo- right door doesnt come close to > closing properly and the trunk has been replaced w/ an Alpine trunk- > notice no pics of the R. side or the trunk. The seller told me he took the > car in on trade on a BIG boat but gave me the PO name and number. Scott > Mednek is the POs name- number available if anyone is interested etc. > > I have no interest one way or another on the car but the bid was around > 20k w/ days to go. The PO told me the boat guy gave him 30k trade in, as > well as another car,cash etc for the 41" boat. Again, Im seding this in > case anyone has a friend etc who is attempting to bid the car. Oh I forgot > to mention there is lots of very shoddy welding underneath and the X frame > looks very rough. Scott told me the car had a little bondo in it but was a > nice daily driver- original engine but had a different air cleaner because > it has a 4 barell. The car supposedly came from a family friend in Az. who > owns 13 Tigers and I thought I had several at one point in time.Ebay no > longer allows you to contact a bidder. If I was bidding on a Tiger I think > I would go inspect it or know about the car from a group of Listers who > had a history of the car. Hopefully the high bidder will get someone near > by to inspect the car. regards, TtT > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jrv309@charter.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 07:25:17 2008 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:23:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger body seam treatment... Listers~ I have a question regarding the treatment of body seams on Tigers that I often see in pictures. This white car shown here on ebay is a good example. On the inner fender, where the Tiger has the wider, more soft and rounded looking inner fender brace (over the alpine) I see that often the brace is "softened" where it transitions into the sheet metal for the wheel well...and I see this all the time, even on cars that are striving for pure originality... ...but my car for has those braces have a lip, where clearly the fender well and the brace were tacked together and areas where the body assembly was spot welded...etc. Is this just a popular treatment of the seams during rebuild of the car with a little bondo? Cullen _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 08:44:52 2008 From: To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:44:46 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay Tiger/badge Speaking of ebay tigers... there is a basket case for sale with a very low chassis number. I notice it has a Rootes badge on the bonnet. Is this an owner add or were they sold that way early on. Seems an odd choice for an orner add. Steve http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___SUNBEAM-TIGER-V8-2-TOPS-shelby_W0QQitemZ270273716553QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270273716553&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C39%3A1%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 08:45:21 2008 From: To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:45:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay Tiger/badge Speaking of ebay tigers... there is a basket case for sale with a very low chassis number. I notice it has a Rootes badge on the bonnet. Is this an owner add or were they sold that way early on. Seems an odd choice for an orner add. Steve http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___SUNBEAM-TIGER-V8-2-TOPS-shelby_W0QQitemZ270273716553QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270273716553&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C39%3A1%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 08:54:43 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:54:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay Tiger/badge it also has early SI-SIII alpine style sidelights. i personally prefer them. same question - were they on the early cars of has it had the front end repaired with alpine panels? On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:44 PM, wrote: > Speaking of ebay tigers... > > there is a basket case for sale with a very low chassis number. I notice it has a Rootes badge on the bonnet. Is this an owner add or were they sold that way > early on. Seems an odd choice for an orner add. > > Steve > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___SUNBEAM-TIGER-V8-2-TOPS-shelby_W0QQitemZ270273716553QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270273716553&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C39%3A1%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 09:31:21 2008 From: To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:31:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question In the course of my Tiger shopping I brought a car to Dale A to inspect for me. He reccomended a pass. One of the reasons he pointed out (in addition to rust) was it had some bad body work and he speciffically pointed to the front edge bottom of the doors. He said there is supposed to be a seam running down through the rockers to the bottom edge of the car that falls in line with the forward edge of the doors. Some time passed and I attended Tigers United 31. Remembering Dales comment I noticed several cars that looked great to me did not have this seam. Dale later said in another conversation there are a "lot of cars with bad bodywork". Since then I have been told that Jenson originally filled that seam with lead so early cars will not show a seam but latter ones will and both are correct. I have a lot of faith in Dale and in the guy who explained the lead fill idea but they seem to conflict. I don't have a BON but does it shed any light on this ? BTW, chassis B9473720 clearly has the seam and no indication of bodywork in that area. Thanks Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 09:34:02 2008 From: To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:33:54 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question In the course of my Tiger shopping I brought a car to Dale A to inspect for me. He reccomended a pass. One of the reasons he pointed out (in addition to rust) was it had some bad body work and he speciffically pointed to the front edge bottom of the doors. He said there is supposed to be a seam running down through the rockers to the bottom edge of the car that falls in line with the forward edge of the doors. Some time passed and I attended Tigers United 31. Remembering Dales comment I noticed several cars that looked great to me did not have this seam. Dale later said in another conversation there are a "lot of cars with bad bodywork". Since then I have been told that Jenson originally filled that seam with lead so early cars will not show a seam but latter ones will and both are correct. I have a lot of faith in Dale and in the guy who explained the lead fill idea but they seem to conflict. I don't have a BON but does it shed any light on this ? BTW, chassis B9473720 clearly has the seam and no indication of bodywork in that area. Thanks Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 10:07:35 2008 From: Rob Guerra To: , Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:06:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay Tiger/badge The hood came off an alpine On 9/10/08 7:54 AM, "Owain Lloyd" wrote: > it also has early SI-SIII alpine style sidelights. i personally prefer them. > same question - were they on the early cars of has it had the front > end repaired with alpine panels? > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:44 PM, wrote: _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 10:28:42 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:28:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question Steve, >>>Since then I have been told that Jenson originally filled that seam with >>>lead so early cars will not show a seam but latter ones will and both are >>>correct.<<< I have B9470101 and the lower seam is there. Given that my car has a skim coat of Bondo on it, I assume the they didn't go to the trouble to create the seam for no apparent reason. As I recall there is a seam near the top of the fender and the cowl area. It is not on my car (could be the Bondo). I recall seeing it on other cars. There are those who are far more versed in this area than myself. But, I'm thinking maybe that is the seam (the upper one) that someone was referring you to??? Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 6:00 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 10:33:01 2008 From: To: Rob Guerra Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:32:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay Tiger/badge Thanks, but how do you know that ? Is it because of the badge or are there other clues it is an Alpine hood ? Steve ---- Rob Guerra wrote: > The hood came off an alpine > > > On 9/10/08 7:54 AM, "Owain Lloyd" wrote: > > > it also has early SI-SIII alpine style sidelights. i personally prefer them. > > same question - were they on the early cars of has it had the front > > end repaired with alpine panels? > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:44 PM, wrote: _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 10:51:52 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:43:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay Tiger/badge Sorry I can't comment about the badge. But, the owner has the car listed as the 108th one built, but that is the JAL. The Rootes number is 142nd built. Finally..., I see a car within 41 numbers to mine with the same rivets. Not that I'm trying to get that subject going again - even if it is Tiger related. But..., all the talk always seems to be about special, small hole rivets (as if they were the only ones ever used) and here is another Tiger with what appears to be a factory installed rivets like mine. I based "factory installed" on the layers of paint around the VIN plate indicating it probably was never removed. Good thing this car is in N.Y. It is just the "lost puppy" kind of item (if cheap enough) I feel I could rescue. Stupid me! Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 6:00 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 10:58:44 2008 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:58:28 EDT Subject: [Tigers] steering rack gaitors/boots and steering u-joints Hi there, Sunbeam Specialties is waiting for a shipment of boots from England. I can't wait. I'm wondering if anyone knows a easy substitute for them from a more common car. BTW: any crosses on the steering column u-joints ? Best regards as always, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 11:05:15 2008 From: To: Thomas Witt Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:05:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question Wow, that would really seem to damage the early car lead idea right ? 9470101 and 9473720 at opposite ends of the Mk1 both have the seam below the door ? Maybe there was incorrect body work on one or both of these cars ? Maybe the factory was not consistent in their treatment of this detail ? Steve ---- Thomas Witt wrote: > Steve, > >>>Since then I have been told that Jenson originally filled that seam with > >>>lead so early cars will not show a seam but latter ones will and both are > >>>correct.<<< > I have B9470101 and the lower seam is there. Given that my car has a skim > coat of Bondo on it, I assume the they didn't go to the trouble to create > the seam for no apparent reason. As I recall there is a seam near the top > of the fender and the cowl area. It is not on my car (could be the Bondo). > I recall seeing it on other cars. There are those who are far more versed > in this area than myself. But, I'm thinking maybe that is the seam (the > upper one) that someone was referring you to??? > Tom > > > [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried > to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 > 6:00 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 11:18:36 2008 From: To: sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:18:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay Tiger/badge Steve: >From the picture, one cannot tell if it is actually an Alpine hood or not. The presence of the Series I or II badge is a good clue that it may be an early hood, but to truly tell, one would have to open the hood. First of all, the fact that it's an early Tiger means that the "round-cornered" hood from an early Alpine will fit onto the car. But, then you have the hood prop location issue to deal with. Series I and II Alpines had a rather short hood prop rod that was fastened to the cowl of the car. When the hood was raised, they contacted the hood just behind the hood latch assembly in a special receptacle bracket made for the prop. The only problem with those was that they didn't allow the hood to be fully open when working on the car. At some point later in the Series run of Alpines (maybe sometime during late Series II production but certainly for the Series IIIs and up), they started mounting the hood prop on the passenger side of the engine compartment, just like on your B9473720LROFE car. There was also the little hood prop receptacle "tang" weld onto the hoods to accept the hood prop on the passenger side at that point, allowing the hoods to be open much more than before. They also went to a different hood hinge at that time as well to allow the hood to open further. The main thing that you need to know is that your car is not supposed to have the hood badge that you see on the Ebay car; that much is absolutely for sure. As far as the body seam under the front edge of the door is concerned, it's been my understanding all these years that when they went to the square-cornered hood and square-cornered door cars, Rootes quit leading those seams in. I'm sure it was costly for them to do so and, even though it made the body look cleaner, it really served no purpose. Your car is what I believe Norm refers to as a "cross-over" car, meaning it has the square-cornered hood and doors of what would become a Mk1A trait, but still retains the metal top boot cover of the Series IV Alpine / Mk1 Tiger. Once again, your car is correct in showing the seam in question. Take care, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX Former best friend of B9473720LROFE :-) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 11:38:40 2008 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: Rob Guerra , "owain.lloyd@gmail.com" Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:38:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay Tiger/badge After piquing my curiosity regarding this car and finally looking at the pictures, I would venture to guess the front clip was replaced at some time long ago with an early Series Alpine piece. Plenty of power + barely adequate brakes = lots of replaced and/or repaired front sheetmetal. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rob Guerra Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:07 AM To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com; sralsten@ca.rr.com Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay Tiger/badge The hood came off an alpine On 9/10/08 7:54 AM, "Owain Lloyd" wrote: > it also has early SI-SIII alpine style sidelights. i personally prefer them. > same question - were they on the early cars of has it had the front > end repaired with alpine panels? > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:44 PM, wrote: _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 11:57:05 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: Rollright@aol.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:56:49 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] steering rack gaitors/boots and steering u-joints Jim, If you are referring to steering rack boots try either Mustang PN D5RT-3332-B or Mercury (Capri) PN D5RY-3332-B. I think I used the Ford and it fit perfectly. Also these Ford boots have a wider flat spot where the clamp goes which means you can use the normal screw radiator hose clamps. I think the Mercury boots came with clamps. I would just bring your original along for comparison. Mark L **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 12:17:22 2008 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:17:11 EDT Subject: [Tigers] steering rack boots Hello, Someone wrote to me with an idea that I think sounds right. That MGB boots will work on a Tiger rack. Is that correct? If so, Moss could supply. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 15:22:01 2008 From: "Jim D'Amelio" To: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:20:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question I believe that seam was always open, but lead was used on the cowl and trunk areas. Maybe other places too. Chrysler bean counters did away with lead. Jim D -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jimdamelio=cox.net@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jimdamelio=cox.net@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of sralsten@ca.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:05 PM To: Thomas Witt Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question Wow, that would really seem to damage the early car lead idea right ? 9470101 and 9473720 at opposite ends of the Mk1 both have the seam below the door ? Maybe there was incorrect body work on one or both of these cars ? Maybe the factory was not consistent in their treatment of this detail ? Steve ---- Thomas Witt wrote: > Steve, > >>>Since then I have been told that Jenson originally filled that seam with > >>>lead so early cars will not show a seam but latter ones will and both are > >>>correct.<<< > I have B9470101 and the lower seam is there. Given that my car has a skim > coat of Bondo on it, I assume the they didn't go to the trouble to create > the seam for no apparent reason. As I recall there is a seam near the top > of the fender and the cowl area. It is not on my car (could be the Bondo). > I recall seeing it on other cars. There are those who are far more versed > in this area than myself. But, I'm thinking maybe that is the seam (the > upper one) that someone was referring you to??? > Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 15:27:10 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:27:03 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question >>>Chrysler bean counters did away with lead.<<< Given the list subjects of late, it appears Chrysler was, "ahead of its time!" :-) Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 6:00 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 15:28:59 2008 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: , Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:28:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] steering rack gaitors/boots and steering u-joints Jim, Ebay Auction #190250034862 Sayz... NEW STEERING RACK BOOT STEERING RACK BOOT KIT FOR YOUR MGB, TR7 AND JAGUAR. JAGUAR YEARS 1974 - 1987. SUNBEAM TIGER Paul > From: Rollright@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:58:28 -0400> To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net> Subject: [Tigers] steering rack gaitors/boots and steering u-joints> > Hi there,> > Sunbeam Specialties is waiting for a shipment of boots from England. I can't > wait.> > I'm wondering if anyone knows a easy substitute for them from a more common > car.> > BTW: any crosses on the steering column u-joints ?> > Best regards as always,> > > Jim Armstrong> Mk 1A 382002083> LRXFE _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 16:09:03 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: "Paul R. Breuhan" , rollright@aol.com, Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] steering rack gaitors/boots and steering u-joints I have purchased a set from him for the tiger MG rack swap, have not tried on the tiger. Quickly shipped as well. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Paul R. Breuhan To: rollright@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:28:55 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] steering rack gaitors/boots and steering u-joints Jim, Ebay Auction #190250034862 Sayz... NEW STEERING RACK BOOT STEERING RACK BOOT KIT FOR YOUR MGB, TR7 AND JAGUAR. JAGUAR YEARS 1974 - 1987. SUNBEAM TIGER Paul > From: Rollright@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:58:28 -0400> To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net> Subject: [Tigers] steering rack gaitors/boots and steering u-joints> > Hi there,> > Sunbeam Specialties is waiting for a shipment of boots from England. I can't > wait.> > I'm wondering if anyone knows a easy substitute for them from a more common > car.> > BTW: any crosses on the steering column u-joints ?> > Best regards as always,> > > Jim Armstrong> Mk 1A 382002083> LRXFE _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 16:34:59 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:34:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question Tigers, Tom, and Steve R. My never damaged Tiger Mk I (*B9472289*) has the seam on the front seams of the rocker panel and cowl, and rounded corners on the rear door edge and hood. But no seam on the rear of the rocker panel, below door rear edge. See TigersUnited.com *Owners Garage * for pics of my car, and a great many others cars, including Maxwell Smart AND Don Adams, Theo Smit's Mk IA, and even *Tom Witt* :-) , and Lew Spencer's car in "*Marketing Materials* ". Norman (TBON) (/pp 159/) states that from *B947001* to _about_ *B9473100* had rounded corners at the back edges of the hood, doors, and deck lid. The body was leaded in the front fender-cowl, front seams of rocker panels. As well as the many more details in The Book. Thanks, Norman for your efforts. Steve (Only the one who's had the name the longest should use it without initials Heck, I've had it before */Steve Canyon/* (Who, you ask?) ;-) ) __ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com sralsten@ca.rr.com wrote: > Wow, that would really seem to damage the early car lead idea right ? > *9470101* and *9473720* at opposite ends of the Mk1 both have the seam > below the door ? Maybe there was incorrect body work on one or both of these cars ? Maybe the factory was not consistent in their treatment of this detail ? > > Steve > > ---- Thomas Witt wrote: > >> Steve, >> >>>>> Since then I have been told that Jenson originally filled that seam with >>>>> lead so early cars will not show a seam but latter ones will and both are >>>>> correct.<<< >>>>> >> I have B9470101 and the lower seam is there. Given that my car has a skim >> coat of Bondo on it, I assume the they didn't go to the trouble to create >> the seam for no apparent reason. As I recall there is a seam near the top >> of the fender and the cowl area. It is not on my car (could be the Bondo). >> I recall seeing it on other cars. There are those who are far more versed >> in this area than myself. But, I'm thinking maybe that is the seam (the >> upper one) that someone was referring you to??? >> Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 16:40:06 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Thomas Witt" , Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:39:49 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question At SUNI 3 in Big Sky, Doug Jennings indicated that the preferred way to do seam filling now is to use body filler (or high-build primer) over etching epoxy primer. The lead and steel in leaded joints cause electrolytic corrosion as soon as it gets wet, and it comes loose over time as well as accelerating the corrosion of either the lead or the steel at the seam. Lead might still be the hot-rod choice but that's only because it's properly old-school, not because it's the best. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: September 10, 2008 3:27 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question >>>Chrysler bean counters did away with lead.<<< Given the list subjects of late, it appears Chrysler was, "ahead of its time!" :-) Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 16:47:29 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Sandy Ganz" Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:47:13 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] steering rack gaitors/boots and steering u-joints note that mg midget rack gaitors (used on the rack swap) are not the same as tiger ones. can't commend on mgb - they may well be the same. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Sandy Ganz wrote: > I have purchased a set from him for the tiger MG rack swap, have not tried on > the tiger. Quickly shipped as well. > Sandy > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: > Paul R. Breuhan > To: rollright@aol.com; > tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:28:55 PM > Subject: > Re: [Tigers] steering rack gaitors/boots and steering u-joints > > Jim, > Ebay > Auction #190250034862 > > Sayz... > NEW STEERING RACK BOOT > STEERING RACK BOOT KIT > FOR YOUR MGB, TR7 AND JAGUAR. > JAGUAR YEARS 1974 - 1987. > SUNBEAM TIGER > > Paul >> From: Rollright@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:58:28 -0400> To: > tigers@Autox.Team.Net> Subject: [Tigers] steering rack gaitors/boots and > steering u-joints> > Hi there,> > Sunbeam Specialties is waiting for a > shipment of boots from England. I can't > wait.> > I'm wondering if anyone > knows a easy substitute for them from a more common > car.> > BTW: any crosses > on the steering column u-joints ?> > Best regards as always,> > > Jim > Armstrong> Mk 1A 382002083> LRXFE > _________________________________________________________________ > Get more out > of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 > F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 18:35:21 2008 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:34:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] rocker seem my car 382001173 I think from looking at the original unrestored pixs had the seems, they have been filled now with the restoration, it's a square corner hood and door car, Clyde _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 18:35:52 2008 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:35:10 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 19:00:31 2008 From: Landcmitch@aol.com To: sralsten@ca.rr.com, Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:00:21 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question I can guarantee that my car, 9470574, which I have had since birth (the car's, not mine) never had the front rocker panel/fender seam leaded, and, since recently viewing my car naked, i.e., stripped to bare metal, that the cowl and trunk seams were leaded around the round cornered hood and trunk lid. At which point this practice was changed, I don't know, but it appears that the BON is in error on the rocker panel question but I have not seen the book. Charlie In a message dated 9/10/2008 8:31:43 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sralsten@ca.rr.com writes: In the course of my Tiger shopping I brought a car to Dale A to inspect for me. He reccomended a pass. One of the reasons he pointed out (in addition to rust) was it had some bad body work and he speciffically pointed to the front edge bottom of the doors. He said there is supposed to be a seam running down through the rockers to the bottom edge of the car that falls in line with the forward edge of the doors. Some time passed and I attended Tigers United 31. Remembering Dales comment I noticed several cars that looked great to me did not have this seam. Dale later said in another conversation there are a "lot of cars with bad bodywork". Since then I have been told that Jenson originally filled that seam with lead so early cars will not show a seam but latter ones will and both are correct. I have a lot of faith in Dale and in the guy who explained the lead fill idea but they seem to conflict. I don't have a BON but does it shed any light on this ? BTW, chassis B9473720 clearly has the seam and no indication of bodywork in that area. Thanks Steve You are subscribed as landcmitch@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 19:40:14 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:39:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question If you want to do this with (Body Putty) make sure that you don't use a polyester filler because it will allow moisture to travel through it because it is porous. Use fiber glass reinforced filler, which is also stronger. Actually anytime you even have a weld that you can't completely and absolutely guarantee that no moisture will ever touch from the back side, it is necessary to use the glass filler (or a quality primer in some cases) for the first coat. Don't think your weld doesn't have holes in it. The glass is harder to shape or get smooth so the second coat can be polyester to make that easier. New rockers are one example of this situation. Modern fillers are way better than lead ever hoped to be, just as modern paints are far superior to the old enamel or lacquer. -- Bill -- At SUNI 3 in Big Sky, Doug Jennings indicated that the preferred way to do seam filling now is to use body filler (or high-build primer) over etching epoxy primer. The lead and steel in leaded joints cause electrolytic corrosion as soon as it gets wet, and it comes loose over time as well as accelerating the corrosion of either the lead or the steel at the seam. Lead might still be the hot-rod choice but that's only because it's properly old-school, not because it's the best. Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 19:48:10 2008 From: "michael king" To: "William Lau" Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:47:30 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question OK, hope this is not a silly question... Why not weld the seams? Will it distort the sills? Surely it would help stiffen the car and it is unlikely to let water in.. or drop out. has anyone done this.. ? -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 21:59:59 2008 From: "Steve Ralsten" To: "Steve Laifman" Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question B9473720 has seams at both front and rear of doors through the rockers. It has square hood and doors but rounded trunk. I am lead free for health. ;^) Steve R (to make that other Steve happy) ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Laifman To: sralsten@ca.rr.com Cc: Thomas Witt ; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question Tigers, Tom, and Steve R. My never damaged Tiger Mk I (B9472289) has the seam on the front seams of the rocker panel and cowl, and rounded corners on the rear door edge and hood. But no seam on the rear of the rocker panel, below door rear edge. See TigersUnited.com Owners Garage for pics of my car, and a great many others cars, including Maxwell Smart AND Don Adams, Theo Smit's Mk IA, and even Tom Witt :-) , and Lew Spencer's car in "Marketing Materials". Norman (TBON) (pp 159) states that from B947001 to about B9473100 had rounded corners at the back edges of the hood, doors, and deck lid. The body was leaded in the front fender-cowl, front seams of rocker panels. As well as the many more details in The Book. Thanks, Norman for your efforts. Steve (Only the one who's had the name the longest should use it without initials Heck, I've had it before Steve Canyon (Who, you ask?) ;-) ) __ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com sralsten@ca.rr.com wrote: Wow, that would really seem to damage the early car lead idea right ? 9470101 and 9473720 at opposite ends of the Mk1 both have the seam below the door ? Maybe there was incorrect body work on one or both of these cars ? Maybe the factory was not consistent in their treatment of this detail ? Steve ---- Thomas Witt wrote: Steve, Since then I have been told that Jenson originally filled that seam with lead so early cars will not show a seam but latter ones will and both are correct.<<< I have B9470101 and the lower seam is there. Given that my car has a skim coat of Bondo on it, I assume the they didn't go to the trouble to create the seam for no apparent reason. As I recall there is a seam near the top of the fender and the cowl area. It is not on my car (could be the Bondo). I recall seeing it on other cars. There are those who are far more versed in this area than myself. But, I'm thinking maybe that is the seam (the upper one) that someone was referring you to??? Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 22:41:09 2008 From: "Steve Ralsten" To: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:41:00 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Open up my soft top I know my car carried a full time hardtop for over 30 years. It's now off and I've opened up the back. I found a top that was covered with that soft corrugated cardboardbox type material that comes on rolls. It was quite neatly arranged and can be seen just as I first saw it in the below picture.. I'm curious if anyone on the list ever saw and remembers how this top came from the factory. When I saw the way it was packed it occured to me that perhaps it had never been opened. The softop material is quite soft and seems usable except for the yellowed window. The rubber and the silicone like joint sealers that tie the material to the frame completely shatter at the slightest touch. I got the left side of top up and connected to the windshield but the rt side would not raise high enough to clear the behind door post. It was kind of in my plan to ask for "where do I go from here" advice at the next CAT fix in. Steve R PICTURE http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/SOFT%20TOP%20OPENING%201.jpg _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 23:47:05 2008 From: Randyalbuq@aol.com To: Landcmitch@aol.com, sralsten@ca.rr.com, Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 01:46:45 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question E - coating is the best way to seal mosture out of a car body **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. 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My regards to you all, Martin. ------------------------- Message sent via KC WebMail - http://webmail.mistral.net/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 06:08:16 2008 From: marden@mistral.co.uk To: Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:06:16 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } I forgot to put the link. www.hurstpark.co.uk/tiger.htm [1] ------------------------- Message sent via KC WebMail - http://webmail.mistral.net/ Links: ------ [1] http://www.hurstpark.co.uk/tiger.htm _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 06:27:18 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:26:29 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank covers What is the correct trunk material that covers the area hiding the gas tanks? My car came with black plastic about 1/4" thick. Is this stock? Did anyone else find this? Mark **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 06:39:45 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: marden@mistral.co.uk Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:36:27 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale nice car but those door rolls and seat covers look like restorations to me. so if its only gone 21k how come the interior needed redoing? On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:06 PM, wrote: > BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } I > forgot to put the link. www.hurstpark.co.uk/tiger.htm [1] > ------------------------- > Message sent via KC WebMail - http://webmail.mistral.net/ > > Links: > ------ > [1] http://www.hurstpark.co.uk/tiger.htm > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 07:18:31 2008 From: "Will Seay" To: , Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:17:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Do I see a pair or rear seats? Will - B382001570 ____________________________ Will Seay wseay@embarqmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:06 AM Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } I forgot to put the link. www.hurstpark.co.uk/tiger.htm [1] ------------------------- Message sent via KC WebMail - http://webmail.mistral.net/ Links: ------ [1] http://www.hurstpark.co.uk/tiger.htm You are subscribed as wseay@embarqmail.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 07:30:27 2008 From: "Will Seay" To: , Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:29:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas tank covers Mark, The original material used for the trunk side panels was a kind of fiber board, not plastic. A textured pattern was pressed into the surface. All in all, pretty cheezey stuff, The plastic repros will probably endure much better than the original. The plastic panels look pretty much like the originals, but are sort of slick to the touch whereas the originals weren't slick at all. I don't know of any repros that are closer to the originals than the plastic ones described. Will - B382001570 ____________________________ Will Seay wseay@embarqmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:26 AM Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank covers What is the correct trunk material that covers the area hiding the gas tanks? My car came with black plastic about 1/4" thick. Is this stock? Did anyone else find this? Mark _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 07:40:42 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: wseay@embarqmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:34:31 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas tank covers Just curious. I thought maybe some company had manufactured the plastic replacements. My plastics are in storage. I opted for "non-original". I carpeted my trunk and put carpet over 1/4" plywood to cover the tanks. Mark- ----- -- -- - **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 07:44:02 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , , Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:43:53 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas tank covers They might be SS pieces? My Tiger has the plastic covers, but my Alpine parts car came with pressboard covered in vinyl for the gas tank covers. That seems much more OEM to me... Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 08:23:51 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:23:30 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas tank covers Mark The original covers were made from press board, I think that is what it was called, and had the black grain finish embossed on one side. The press board would swell and almost fall apart when it was exposed to water or liquid. Plastic covers are probably replacements from SS. SS list durable plastic , set of 4, in the catalog. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:26 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank covers What is the correct trunk material that covers the area hiding the gas tanks? My car came with black plastic about 1/4" thick. Is this stock? Did anyone else find this? Mark **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 6:00 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 09:26:04 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:25:46 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas tank covers I wonder what the "set of 4" consists of....sides and 2 pieces to cover the cross over pipe? M **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 09:32:57 2008 From: Randy Zimmermann To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas tank covers The set includes 2 large panels that cover the R & L gas tanks and 2 smaller panels that cover the tank connector pipes at the rear of the trunk area. Randy Z./ Duluth, MN B382002349 --- On Thu, 9/11/08, CoolVT@aol.com wrote: From: CoolVT@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas tank covers To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 10:25 AM I wonder what the "set of 4" consists of....sides and 2 pieces to cover the cross over pipe? M **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) You are subscribed as zimme008@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 09:54:24 2008 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: Tigers Den Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:54:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas tank covers For non-concours cars/people a cheap alternative can be made with black mat board found at a frame shop or art supply store...less than $10...but you need to be handy with a cutting knife and have/make a pattern. I didn't want the factory tail light holes and a smooth finish look to my panels, plus the black goes all the way through so it won't look scratched. http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/some/CarTrunk1.jpg http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/some/CarTrunk4.jpg Paul _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life togetherat home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 09:59:27 2008 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: Tigers Den Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:59:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas tank covers Oops...PS...I used velcro squares on the back side so you can't see any screws or other marks on the panels. Paul > From: prbreuhan@hotmail.com> To: tigers@autox.team.net> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:54:12 -0400> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas tank covers> > For non-concours cars/people a cheap alternative can be made with black mat> board found at a frame shop or art supply store...less than $10...but you need> to be handy with a cutting knife and have/make a pattern.> > I didn't want the factory tail light holes and a smooth finish look to my> panels, plus the black goes all the way through so it won't look scratched.> > http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/some/CarTrunk1.jpg> > http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/some/CarTrunk4.jpg> > Paul _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 10:12:32 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:12:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question I would be afraid of moisture from the inside fender area and inside the rocker panel. Any metal heated to weld temperature needs to be treated with chemicals to be cleaned up and then painted to keep it from rusting and it would be next to impossible to get to it. I think that is why many people like to fill the whole area smoothly because to repair that area with an open seam where the quarter corner fits over the rocker panel is impossible without welding and then not being able to seal it completely. If one wanted it to look original, just file a groove in the putty before painting. That would be a chore to get it to look good but it depends on what you want. Mike there are no silly questions because there are a variety of people that have a variety of abilities and that's what makes the list work. Something easy for one to answer is difficult for another and vise versa. -- Bill -- -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mrlau=charter.net@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mrlau=charter.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:48 PM To: William Lau Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question OK, hope this is not a silly question... Why not weld the seams? Will it distort the sills? Surely it would help stiffen the car and it is unlikely to let water in.. or drop out. has anyone done this.. ? t _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 10:30:21 2008 From: Sjhcobra1@cs.com To: CoolVT@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:29:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas tank covers Mark: The original panels in my Tigers were masonite with a black leather-looking texture on the outside. Sunbeam Specialties offers a very nice set of ABS, Haircel One-Side/ Smooth One-Side panels. The side panels are very exact and include drilling marks on the backside. The cross-over panels need some trimming and you must locate your own drill holes. The SS parts look realy good and are much more durable than the original panels. Steve Halbrook CoolVT@aol.com wrote: >What is the correct trunk material that covers the area hiding the gas >tanks? My car came with black plastic about 1/4" thick. Is this stock? Did >anyone else find this? >Mark > > > >**************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, >plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. >(http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as sjhcobra1@cs.com > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 10:37:10 2008 From: mgman71@comcast.net To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:36:42 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER Hi: Question I have is that I am in need of a new HARMONIC BALANCER for my car is the stock S/B 260 harmonic balancer the same as the one that is on a 65 MK1 tiger. Thanks George _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 11:10:20 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Steve Ralsten , Tiger's Den Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:10:05 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question Steve, Seems you have the "crossover" body per Normans "about /B9473100/", getting towards the Mk IA. Probably has the metal boot covers. BTW: Please note the"smiley wink face" ( ;-) ) about names. Just a joke. It's your name, use it as you please. Sure a lot of "Steve's" on this list. Wonder if name influences interest. I am positive last names do, like "Hilton". Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Ralsten wrote: > *B9473720* has seams at both front and rear of doors through the > rockers. It has square > hood and doors but rounded trunk. I am lead free for health. ;^) > > Steve R (to make that other Steve happy) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 11:23:23 2008 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:22:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER If it just the rubber in yours that has slipped or gotten bad that can be replaced so you can keep the original. -- Bill -- Subject: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER Hi: Question I have is that I am in need of a new HARMONIC BALANCER for my car is the stock S/B 260 harmonic balancer the same as the one that is on a 65 MK1 tiger. Thanks George _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 11:27:13 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "William Lau" , Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:27:03 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER If you want one that is not necessarily OEM, then the Professional Products balancers are inexpensive and very nicely made. They come with the proper (3") overall length, a black finish with 3 sets of timing marks engraved and filled with white ink, and 3 and 4 hole pulley patterns on the front. They have both SFI and non-SFI versions. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Lau Sent: September 11, 2008 11:23 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER If it just the rubber in yours that has slipped or gotten bad that can be replaced so you can keep the original. -- Bill -- Subject: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER Hi: Question I have is that I am in need of a new HARMONIC BALANCER for my car is the stock S/B 260 harmonic balancer the same as the one that is on a 65 MK1 tiger. Thanks George _______________________________________________ You are subscribed as theo.smit@dynastream.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 11:34:42 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: marden@mistral.co.uk, Tiger's Den Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:34:09 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale "Marden" and Owain, Nice pics. I notice that the boot compartment is "custom", but the door panels are "GT", which came with the body color hard top. Heck, a steal at $40,000, but at # 40,000 ($ 69,961) + transportation it's a bit dearer. With such low mileage, it might be a good buy. (if the "#" symbol does not come through, it's GB Pounds) One pic shows elaborate red rear shelf cushions, including restraints, but no idea what would fit there except a medium sized dog, or smaller. :-) ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com marden@mistral.co.uk wrote: > BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } I > forgot to put the link. www.hurstpark.co.uk/tiger.htm [1] > ------------------------- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 11:44:01 2008 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: Theo.Smit@dynastream.com, mrlau@charter.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:43:35 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER SFI ?? In a message dated 9/11/2008 10:27:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Theo.Smit@dynastream.com writes: If you want one that is not necessarily OEM, then the Professional Products balancers are inexpensive and very nicely made. They come with the proper (3") overall length, a black finish with 3 sets of timing marks engraved and filled with white ink, and 3 and 4 hole pulley patterns on the front. They have both SFI and non-SFI versions. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Lau Sent: September 11, 2008 11:23 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER If it just the rubber in yours that has slipped or gotten bad that can be replaced so you can keep the original. -- Bill -- Subject: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER Hi: Question I have is that I am in need of a new HARMONIC BALANCER for my car is the stock S/B 260 harmonic balancer the same as the one that is on a 65 MK1 tiger. Thanks George _______________________________________________ You are subscribed as theo.smit@dynastream.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as aaaglasss@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 11:50:07 2008 From: "Stu Brennan" To: , Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:49:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas tank covers The original isn't plastic, it was a cardboard fiberboard sort of stuff, coated with something like black paint or vinyl. The kind of stuff that puffs up and weakens when wet. The plastic ones are the replacements sold by several of the usual Sunbeam vendors. Stu -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+stubrennan=comcast.net@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+stubrennan=comcast.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:26 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank covers What is the correct trunk material that covers the area hiding the gas tanks? My car came with black plastic about 1/4" thick. Is this stock? Did anyone else find this? Mark **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 11:59:19 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: marden@mistral.co.uk, tigers@autox.team.net, Will Seay Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale I saw those "looks like seats" w/ what appears to be seperated. Perhaps just made to fit, rolled and pleated for looks or small kids. During the years my second 1A was a daily driver I always had one of the two kids in the back. When they got to big and always fought I found another daily driver. I put several thousand miles on that car with only the generator going out and a leak in one gas tank. Bought a used generator, tested at the junk yard for ten bucks and later the same guy welded up the tank for another ten. I was elated both times, although I did buy a new generator and kept the used one just in case. I bet it is still amongest the bits and pieces. Remeber the date today. TtT --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Will Seay wrote: > From: Will Seay > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale > To: marden@mistral.co.uk, tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 8:17 AM > Do I see a pair or rear seats? > > Will - B382001570 > ____________________________ > Will Seay wseay@embarqmail.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:06 AM > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale > > > BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, > sans-serif;font-size:12px; } I > forgot to put the link. www.hurstpark.co.uk/tiger.htm [1] > ------------------------- > Message sent via KC WebMail - http://webmail.mistral.net/ > > Links: > ------ > [1] http://www.hurstpark.co.uk/tiger.htm > You are subscribed as wseay@embarqmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 12:05:26 2008 From: "Jerry" To: "'William Lau'" , Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:58:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER "Damper Doc" (John Wyss) of Redding, CA did my 302 damper in 2002 and a friend of mines 347 stroker, both very nice jobs. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Lau Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:23 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER If it just the rubber in yours that has slipped or gotten bad that can be replaced so you can keep the original. -- Bill -- Subject: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER Hi: Question I have is that I am in need of a new HARMONIC BALANCER for my car is the stock S/B 260 harmonic balancer the same as the one that is on a 65 MK1 tiger. Thanks George _______________________________________________ You are subscribed as jcmc2006@suddenlink.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 12:05:43 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , , Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:03:17 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER http://www.sfifoundation.com/ In 6 words, designed and certified for competition use. Theo ________________________________ From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com [mailto:AAAGLASSS@aol.com] Sent: September 11, 2008 11:44 AM To: Smit, Theo; mrlau@charter.net; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER SFI ?? In a message dated 9/11/2008 10:27:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Theo.Smit@dynastream.com writes: If you want one that is not necessarily OEM, then the Professional Products balancers are inexpensive and very nicely made. They come with the proper (3") overall length, a black finish with 3 sets of timing marks engraved and filled with white ink, and 3 and 4 hole pulley patterns on the front. They have both SFI and non-SFI versions. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Lau Sent: September 11, 2008 11:23 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER If it just the rubber in yours that has slipped or gotten bad that can be replaced so you can keep the original. -- Bill -- Subject: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER Hi: Question I have is that I am in need of a new HARMONIC BALANCER for my car is the stock S/B 260 harmonic balancer the same as the one that is on a 65 MK1 tiger. Thanks George _______________________________________________ You are subscribed as theo.smit@dynastream.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as aaaglasss@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive ________________________________ Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com . _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 12:06:38 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: CoolVT@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net, Stu Brennan Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas tank covers If memory serves, the gas tank covers where made of plywood and covered with the same material as the spare tire/trunk platfor. They had a piece of thin angle rivetted on each cover to help support the trunk platform. They didnt fair well out of the car as heat helped the covering to come unglued and the wood and any moisture made the outer edges very brittle- maybe even the heat help more so. I kept some as patterns in the bits and pieces area . TtT --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Stu Brennan wrote: _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 12:07:51 2008 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:07:46 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Harmonic Balancer "If you want one that is not necessarily OEM, then the Professional Products balancers are inexpensive and very nicely made. They come with the proper (3") overall length, a black finish with 3 sets of timing marks engraved and filled with white ink, and 3 and 4 hole pulley patterns on the front." I tried to use one of those on my rebuilt 1964 260 and found it hit part of the timing cover and would not seat completely. It was listed as fitting all Ford small blocks from 260 - 302. Some where along the line, maybe from the 260 to the 289, the timing cover was changed. So I bought a new "original style" balancer and it fit perfectly. On Ebay there is one listed for $46 # 150291380194 . Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 12:29:23 2008 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, CoolVT@aol.com, achd73@yahoo.com, Stu Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:29:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas tank covers > If memory serves, the gas tank covers where made of plywood and >covered with the same material as the spare tire/trunk platfor. Nope. The gas tank covers were, as other people have replied, a grained pressboard. No plywood tank covers were ever supplies by Rootes for the Series Alpines or Tigers. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 12:33:22 2008 From: Dave Munroe To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:30:27 -0300 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears Hey guys: Another path to pursue to make my Tiger more user-friendly: My car came to me fitted with 3:07 gears in the rear end. It turns about 3,000 rpm at 60 mph. Thinking a set of original 2:88's would bring the engine revs down to make the car more relaxed to drive at highway speeds, including less noise, vibration, and even perhaps improved fuel economy, I picked up a set off eBay. Unfortunately, my local Jeep guy who has a LOT of experience with Dana 44's is reluctant to put them in my car. He says often eBay rear-end gears will not take a pattern and it is a huge expensive hassle to remove a good set of gears, replace them with used ones of questionable lineage, find out they are "bad", and have to do it all over again just to get back to ground zero. He quoted me approximately 8 hours labour for one "cycle". (old gears out: new gears in). The ones I have purchased look excellent, very little wear, (only a shiny spot where the teeth were in contact, a "good" pattern) an came complete with the spider gears and cage. Does anyone have any experience or advice on this change back to original? Thanks, Dave _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 12:37:13 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Jeffrey Nichols" , Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:37:01 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Harmonic Balancer That's not good... I used the 50 oz-in one on a 5.0 (because it was short and had the 3 bolt pulley pattern) and it worked fine there, and that's with the original (5-bolt 289) timing cover. I bolted this together a few years ago... I should have a look and see if I maybe modified something there, but I don't recall any issues. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols Sent: September 11, 2008 12:08 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Harmonic Balancer "If you want one that is not necessarily OEM, then the Professional Products balancers are inexpensive and very nicely made. They come with the proper (3") overall length, a black finish with 3 sets of timing marks engraved and filled with white ink, and 3 and 4 hole pulley patterns on the front." I tried to use one of those on my rebuilt 1964 260 and found it hit part of the timing cover and would not seat completely. It was listed as fitting all Ford small blocks from 260 - 302. Some where along the line, maybe from the 260 to the 289, the timing cover was changed. So I bought a new "original style" balancer and it fit perfectly. On Ebay there is one listed for $46 # 150291380194 . Jeff You are subscribed as theo.smit@dynastream.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 13:23:32 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Jeffrey Nichols Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:23:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Harmonic Balancer Jeff and Tigers, As per usual, TigersUnited.com has the original _*Parts List*_ which shows, under "Engine (Motor) Section AF" an exploded view of the Motor Damper. It is identified as a FORD part No. C4OZ-6316316A. The pulley and dampener are separate listings. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Jeffrey Nichols wrote: > "If you want one that is not necessarily OEM, then the Professional > Products balancers are inexpensive and very nicely made. They come with > the proper (3") overall length, a black finish with 3 sets of timing > marks engraved and filled with white ink, and 3 and 4 hole pulley > patterns on the front." > > > I tried to use one of those on my rebuilt 1964 260 and found it hit part of > the timing cover and would not seat completely. It was listed as fitting all > Ford small blocks from 260 - 302. Some where along the line, maybe from the > 260 to the 289, the timing cover was changed. So I bought a new "original > style" balancer and it fit perfectly. On Ebay there is one listed for $46 # > 150291380194 . > > > > > Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 13:29:00 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Jeffrey Nichols Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:28:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Harmonic Balancer (whoops) Well, My fingers must have "stuttered". The Part No. should be C4OZ-6316-A. :-( Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Laifman wrote: > Jeff and Tigers, > > As per usual, TigersUnited.com has the original _*Parts List*_ > which > shows, under "Engine (Motor) Section AF" an exploded view of the Motor > Damper. It is identified as a FORD part No. C4OZ-6316316A. The pulley > and dampener are separate listings. > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 13:30:30 2008 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com, jxnichols@sbcglobal.net Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:29:58 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Harmonic Balancer (whoops) The dreaded Fat Finger syndrome. In a message dated 9/11/2008 12:29:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com writes: Well, My fingers must have "stuttered". The Part No. should be C4OZ-6316-A. :-( Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Laifman wrote: > Jeff and Tigers, > > As per usual, TigersUnited.com has the original _*Parts List*_ > which > shows, under "Engine (Motor) Section AF" an exploded view of the Motor > Damper. It is identified as a FORD part No. C4OZ-6316316A. The pulley > and dampener are separate listings. > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com You are subscribed as aaaglasss@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 13:40:21 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:36:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears Dave, I did it out of necessity. The PO had allowed water to get into the housing and all the bearings were shot. Shot to the point that one had spun and wore about .035 off a press fit on the carrier. I bought a used replacement carrier and gears from Dale A. I made my own case spreader and configured a pinion depth gage. I followed the manual regarding the shims and in the end felt I got everything very close (within half a thousand on the back lash and .0015 on the ring gear runout). Frankly, I found it very hard to get a reading on the mesh. The recommended product to read the gears is, dare I say (of late), "lead" paste. Some might cringe, but in the end I used fine valve lapping paste to leave a dull pattern. I later cleaned this up with a few swipes of 600 grit paper. From what I could tell I was extremely close to the original mark. Your rear end guy obviously would be better equipped, but to me the hardest part was setting the pinion depth. I put the race in the freeze, and heated the case with a propane torch. It dropped right in. I think it took me less than 10 seconds to get the reading, but I had to hammer rather hard on a closet pole sized wooden dowel to get the race back out. I would love to tell you the outcome, but after 8 years my Tiger is still on jackstands. I'm not sure what you paid for the gears, but perhaps the difference between them and new gears might be worth the cost for your piece of mind going with new. Me, I'm just cheap and if my gears whine I'll probably protect the bearings, apply the fine valve paste and see what happens. When I was a kid I was enamored with the movie the "Flight of the Phoenix.." I guess that is where I get my 'I'll make it work even if by unconventional means' perspective. Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.20/1666 - Release Date: 9/11/2008 7:03 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 13:59:52 2008 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, CoolVT@aol.com, Stu Brennan Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:59:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas tank covers It looks as tho I stand corrected.Glad I included, if memory serves. I still own a set, not in great shape but I for sure wouldnt try to reach them where they are located. My apologises on not be correct and THNAS for keeping my memory in order. TtT --- On Thu, 9/11/08, awtiger@cox.net wrote: >> Nope. The gas tank covers were, as other people have > replied, a grained pressboard. No plywood tank covers were > ever supplies by Rootes for the Series Alpines or Tigers. > > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE > B9006857LRX _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 17:11:39 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: "Smit, Theo" , Jeffrey Nichols Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Harmonic Balancer I have one that had the same issue, don't remember the brand but likely was the same (From Summit). I had to clean up the bottom of the waterpump a bit with a file and it was all fine. The one I had was nice except just a tick larger. Removable weights (28, 50) which is good for flexibility, and various options since it was a flat face version you had a few spacer options that came with it. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "Smit, Theo" To: Jeffrey Nichols ; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:37:01 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Harmonic Balancer That's not good... I used the 50 oz-in one on a 5.0 (because it was short and had the 3 bolt pulley pattern) and it worked fine there, and that's with the original (5-bolt 289) timing cover. I bolted this together a few years ago... I should have a look and see if I maybe modified something there, but I don't recall any issues. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols Sent: September 11, 2008 12:08 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Harmonic Balancer "If you want one that is not necessarily OEM, then the Professional Products balancers are inexpensive and very nicely made. They come with the proper (3") overall length, a black finish with 3 sets of timing marks engraved and filled with white ink, and 3 and 4 hole pulley patterns on the front." I tried to use one of those on my rebuilt 1964 260 and found it hit part of the timing cover and would not seat completely. It was listed as fitting all Ford small blocks from 260 - 302. Some where along the line, maybe from the 260 to the 289, the timing cover was changed. So I bought a new "original style" balancer and it fit perfectly. On Ebay there is one listed for $46 # 150291380194 . Jeff You are subscribed as theo.smit@dynastream.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 17:12:06 2008 From: "michael king" To: "Steve Laifman" Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:09:07 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale > One pic shows elaborate red rear shelf cushions, including restraints, > but no idea what would fit there except a medium sized dog, or smaller. :-) > I'm not 100% sure... but they look similar to the "optional" rootes rear seats that you could buy for the alpines. Also, the "restraints" are the correct irving belts.. and they are not for the back, i think the owner has just layed them back to the rear for the photos. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 18:49:22 2008 From: "steve wick" To: Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:48:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears For some reason, the original message in this string didn't make it to my in-box, but if someone is looking for a set of 3.07/1's I have a brand new Spicer set with a yoke. I bought it for my rear end rebuild but my builder says the original 2.88's are fine so I don't need these. They are the new fine spline style which is supposed to be stronger and the new yoke and u-bolts to match. I paid $245.00 plus shipping for everything and would like to get as much of that back as possible. Make me an offer if you're interested. Steve (in N. Idaho) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Munroe To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears Hey guys: Another path to pursue to make my Tiger more user-friendly: My car came to me fitted with 3:07 gears in the rear end. It turns about 3,000 rpm at 60 mph. Thinking a set of original 2:88's would bring the engine revs down to make the car more relaxed to drive at highway speeds, including less noise, vibration, and even perhaps improved fuel economy, I picked up a set off eBay. Unfortunately, my local Jeep guy who has a LOT of experience with Dana 44's is reluctant to put them in my car. He says often eBay rear-end gears will not take a pattern and it is a huge expensive hassle to remove a good set of gears, replace them with used ones of questionable lineage, find out they are "bad", and have to do it all over again just to get back to ground zero. He quoted me approximately 8 hours labour for one "cycle". (old gears out: new gears in). The ones I have purchased look excellent, very little wear, (only a shiny spot where the teeth were in contact, a "good" pattern) an came complete with the spider gears and cage. Does anyone have any experience or advice on this change back to original? Thanks, Dave _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as srwick@hotmail.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 20:31:46 2008 From: "George Re" To: "tigers" Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:31:35 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Bell housing ----- Original Message ----- From: George Re To: tigers Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: Bell housing Thank you to everyone on the info I got on the harmonic balancer. I have another question? I just removed my engine tonight and found the PO for some reason cut a hole in the bell housing I do not think there would be any problem with if I just left it alone because I have used it for a few years and no problem. But I would like to replace it are there any early Fords with the same bell housing or is this one just made for the tiger? Thanks in advance. George B9471055 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 00:17:11 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] My Enjoyable Non-Tiger Video I found this video and like its campy-ness ;-) "watch out for that Jalopy..." http://www.motorator.com/videos/429 Enjoy And Happy Friday Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 06:50:04 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'George Re'" , "'tigers'" Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:35:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Bell housing George Bell housing is Ford part # C30Z-6392-C, 5 bolt configuration; the engine/ transmission package is generally referred to as a 1964 Fairlane Special package. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/6-FF-ClutchsAnd Controls.pdf I assume you still have the original 260 engine. SBF engines are early style with 5 bolt patterns or 65 and later with 6 bolt patterns. Once you know which bell housing you need any of that type should fit. You could probably have your bell housing fixed by a welder. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Re Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:32 PM To: tigers Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Bell housing ----- Original Message ----- From: George Re To: tigers Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: Bell housing Thank you to everyone on the info I got on the harmonic balancer. I have another question? I just removed my engine tonight and found the PO for some reason cut a hole in the bell housing I do not think there would be any problem with if I just left it alone because I have used it for a few years and no problem. But I would like to replace it are there any early Fords with the same bell housing or is this one just made for the tiger? Thanks in advance. George B9471055 You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1667 - Release Date: 9/11/2008 6:55 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 06:50:14 2008 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:36:04 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Looking For Tiger Press Issues I am looking to buy or borrow issues #2, #7, #8, #9 of Norm Miller's Tiger Press. If you want to lend the issues they will be carefully returned. contact me at jxnichols@sbcglobal.net. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 07:58:30 2008 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:36:01 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Yet another Tiger for sale Speaking of Tigers for sale, here is a pretty clean example of a medit. blue car on Cobra Country's website, a resource for Cobra replicas for those who might not know. Tiger shown appears to be professionally built with non original power plant but pretty slick craftsmanship from what I can tell...not sure of the VIN....not sure if its given.. http://www.cobracountry.com/home2.html scroll down about 5 or 6 ads on the " cobras for sale" heading...has 3 or 4 links to enlarged photos....good looking car IMO....and he knows it I guess at 42 grand worth.... Cullen 1452 LROFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 09:59:46 2008 From: Rob Guerra To: George Re , tigers Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:29:35 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Bell housing Since the subject of bellhousings came up: In case anyone is interested we have a 5 bolt cast, wedge style scattershield for a 5 bolt engine for sale. I figured I would let Tiger owners know before I released it to the cobra and shelby groups. These are hard to find - $1000.00 Please contact me outside the list Rob (bomber44@comcast.net or tiger351w@comcast.net) On 9/11/08 7:31 PM, "George Re" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: George Re > To: tigers > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:32 PM > Subject: Bell housing > > > Thank you to everyone on the info I got on the harmonic balancer. I have > another question? I just removed my engine tonight and found the PO for some > reason cut a hole in the bell housing I do not think there > would be any problem with if I just left it alone because I have used it for > a few years and no problem. But I would like to replace it are there any > early Fords with the same bell housing or is this one just made for the tiger? > Thanks in advance. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 10:12:29 2008 From: Bill Waite To: tigers@autox.team.net, Dave Munroe Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears You might want to use the calculator at this link: http://www.corral.net/tech/gearcalc.html I am not sure that moving from a 3.07 to 2.88 will make a huge difference. I was running a 3.54 in my Mark II and did change back to the original 2.88 to reduce revs at highways speeds. That made a big difference. But going from 3.07 to 2.88 isn't a "huge" move, so you may not enjoy as much benefit as you'd like. For what it's worth, JCR Offroad in Kalamazoo, MI swapped my 3.54 back to the original 2.88. I had moved to a posi when I put in the 3.54, so they had to drill out the carrier to accomodate the larger 2.88 open rear end carrier bolts. With all that, total cost was only $225 and it runs great (very minor whine on deceleration at certain speeds, but not worth messing with it again IMO). Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Dave Munroe wrote: From: Dave Munroe Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 2:30 PM Hey guys: Another path to pursue to make my Tiger more user-friendly: My car came to me fitted with 3:07 gears in the rear end. It turns about 3,000 rpm at 60 mph. Thinking a set of original 2:88's would bring the engine revs down to make the car more relaxed to drive at highway speeds, including less noise, vibration, and even perhaps improved fuel economy, I picked up a set off eBay. Unfortunately, my local Jeep guy who has a LOT of experience with Dana 44's is reluctant to put them in my car. He says often eBay rear-end gears will not take a pattern and it is a huge expensive hassle to remove a good set of gears, replace them with used ones of questionable lineage, find out they are "bad", and have to do it all over again just to get back to ground zero. He quoted me approximately 8 hours labour for one "cycle". (old gears out: new gears in). The ones I have purchased look excellent, very little wear, (only a shiny spot where the teeth were in contact, a "good" pattern) an came complete with the spider gears and cage. Does anyone have any experience or advice on this change back to original? Thanks, Dave You are subscribed as fordlandia@sbcglobal.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 10:54:23 2008 From: Sandy Ganz To: fordlandia@sbcglobal.net, tigers@autox.team.net, Dave Munroe Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears Dang, let me plug one I'm working on :) Still under a bit of 'construction' http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/GearCalc.html Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Waite To: tigers@autox.team.net; Dave Munroe Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 8:43:52 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears You might want to use the calculator at this link: http://www.corral.net/tech/gearcalc.html I am not sure that moving from a 3.07 to 2.88 will make a huge difference. I was running a 3.54 in my Mark II and did change back to the original 2.88 to reduce revs at highways speeds. That made a big difference. But going from 3.07 to 2.88 isn't a "huge" move, so you may not enjoy as much benefit as you'd like. For what it's worth, JCR Offroad in Kalamazoo, MI swapped my 3.54 back to the original 2.88. I had moved to a posi when I put in the 3.54, so they had to drill out the carrier to accomodate the larger 2.88 open rear end carrier bolts. With all that, total cost was only $225 and it runs great (very minor whine on deceleration at certain speeds, but not worth messing with it again IMO). Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Dave Munroe wrote: From: Dave Munroe Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 2:30 PM Hey guys: Another path to pursue to make my Tiger more user-friendly: My car came to me fitted with 3:07 gears in the rear end. It turns about 3,000 rpm at 60 mph. Thinking a set of original 2:88's would bring the engine revs down to make the car more relaxed to drive at highway speeds, including less noise, vibration, and even perhaps improved fuel economy, I picked up a set off eBay. Unfortunately, my local Jeep guy who has a LOT of experience with Dana 44's is reluctant to put them in my car. He says often eBay rear-end gears will not take a pattern and it is a huge expensive hassle to remove a good set of gears, replace them with used ones of questionable lineage, find out they are "bad", and have to do it all over again just to get back to ground zero. He quoted me approximately 8 hours labour for one "cycle". (old gears out: new gears in). The ones I have purchased look excellent, very little wear, (only a shiny spot where the teeth were in contact, a "good" pattern) an came complete with the spider gears and cage. Does anyone have any experience or advice on this change back to original? Thanks, Dave You are subscribed as fordlandia@sbcglobal.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 10:54:43 2008 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:39:52 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Top "decal" Hello, Recently Steve Ralsten wrote about a top unused since new. I looked at the picture he sent and have spotted a decal that I've never seen before. It appears that his car has the metal bin storage mechanism of Mark I Tigers. Does anyone know if that decal was used in Mk 1A Tigers wor was it an early thing? For image I've supplied part of Steve's original text below. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE "......I got the left side of top up and connected to the windshield but the rt side would not raise high enough to clear the behind door post. It was kind of in my plan to ask for "where do I go from here" advice at the next CAT fix in. Steve R PICTURE http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/SOFT%20TOP%20OPENING%201.jpg **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 11:25:21 2008 From: cmeinel464@aol.com To: Rollright@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:06:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Top "decal" Jim, The decal was only used on the metal boot MK1 Tigers. Curt Classic Sunbeam inc -----Original Message----- From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Sent: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:39 am Subject: [Tigers] Top "decal" Hello, Recently Steve Ralsten wrote about a top unused since new. I looked at the picture he sent and have spotted a decal that I've never seen before. It appears that his car has the metal bin storage mechanism of Mark I Tigers. Does anyone know if that decal was used in Mk 1A Tigers wor was it an early thing? For image I've supplied part of Steve's original text below. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE "......I got the left side of top up and connected to the windshield but the rt side would not raise high enough to clear the behind door post. It was kind of in my plan to ask for "where do I go from here" advice at the next CAT fix in. Steve R PICTURE http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/SOFT%20TOP%20OPENING%201.jpg **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) You are subscribed as cmeinel464@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 12:16:35 2008 From: Cullen McCann To: "sralsten@ca.rr.com" Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:05:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Yet another Tiger for sale Hey steve, did you happen to catch the VIN on the blue car? No particular reason, just curious...I like to keep track...maybe someday I'll write a book.. ;) This car lives about a mile up the canyon from me. I've met the owner. He and I and Mike Laurence took a picture of our red, white, and blue Tigers in a row last Wed evening. Mike's planning to send it to Tiger Tails. The car looks great and is very quick(289 with some mods). I don't know anything about it's history nor have I ever seen the underside. Current owner is a CHP officer and has had it about 3 years. Steve R _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 12:29:15 2008 From: "Norman C. Miller" To: Cullen McCann , "sralsten@ca.rr.com" Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:29:05 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Yet another Tiger for sale B382000985 LRXFE - came out of Michigan. Some might recall its lovely brown paint and double hoop roll bar when it appeared on eBay in 2004. ncm At 11:05 AM 9/12/2008, Cullen McCann wrote: >...snip..did you happen to catch the VIN on the blue car?...snip.. [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1669 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 2:18 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 12:44:43 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: fordlandia@sbcglobal.net Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:44:33 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears Tigers & Bill, The DANA (SALISBURY) English built LSD has the correct bolt diameter to hold the original 2.88's without machining, or "stepped" bolts. It was used on the Jaguar, and is a "bolt-in", including axles, if you like DANA. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Bill Waite wrote: > You might want to use the calculator at this link: > > http://www.corral.net/tech/gearcalc.html > > I am not sure that moving from a 3.07 to 2.88 will make a huge difference. I > was running a 3.54 in my Mark II and did change back to the original 2.88 to > reduce revs at highways speeds. That made a big difference. But going from > 3.07 to 2.88 isn't a "huge" move, so you may not enjoy as much benefit as > you'd like. > > For what it's worth, JCR Offroad in Kalamazoo, MI swapped my 3.54 back to the > original 2.88. I had moved to a posi when I put in the 3.54, so they had to > drill out the carrier to accomodate the larger 2.88 open rear end carrier > bolts. With all that, total cost was only $225 and it runs great (very minor > whine on deceleration at certain speeds, but not worth messing with it again > IMO). > > Bill Waite > Grand Rapids, MI _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 12:55:43 2008 From: To: Cullen McCann Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:04:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Yet another Tiger for sale This car lives about a mile up the canyon from me. I've met the owner. He and I and Mike Laurence took a picture of our red, white, and blue Tigers in a row last Wed evening. Mike's planning to send it to Tiger Tails. The car looks great and is very quick(289 with some mods). I don't know anything about it's history nor have I ever seen the underside. Current owner is a CHP officer and has had it about 3 years. Steve R ---- Cullen McCann wrote: > Speaking of Tigers for sale, here is a pretty clean example of a medit. blue > car on Cobra Country's website, a resource for Cobra replicas for those who > might not know. > > Tiger shown appears to be professionally built with non original power plant > but pretty slick craftsmanship from what I can tell...not sure of the > VIN....not sure if its given.. > > http://www.cobracountry.com/home2.html > > scroll down about 5 or 6 ads on the " cobras for sale" heading...has 3 or 4 > links to enlarged photos....good looking car IMO....and he knows it I guess at > 42 grand worth.... > > Cullen > 1452 > LROFE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten@ca.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 13:06:44 2008 From: Cullen McCann To: "Norman C. Miller" , "sralsten@ca.rr.com" Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:57:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Yet another Tiger for sale Thanks Norm! I cant believe its the same car...I think I might remember that one... Subject: Re: [Tigers] Yet another Tiger for sale B382000985 LRXFE - came out of Michigan. Some might recall its lovely brown paint and double hoop roll bar when it appeared on eBay in 2004. ncm At 11:05 AM 9/12/2008, Cullen McCann wrote: >...snip..did you happen to catch the VIN on the blue car?...snip.. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 13:15:49 2008 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:13:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Yet another Tiger for sale ...come to think of it, I probably keep track in my mind in case a VIN very close to my own ever comes up for sale...or something.....Ive seen that happen a few times, where a car comes up for sale 1 number off the assembly line from another...might be persuasive to pursue such a car....especially if i was made of $$$$$...but I do have a folder on my computer ful if pictures, like a little library of Tigers that have come up on ebay and websites like this one, only in the last couple of years since I got my car...with many of them under the file name of their VIN....I guess in case the information is ever useful to anyone... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 13:26:39 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Cullen McCann" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:26:32 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Yet another Tiger for sale I keep an eye out in case a car comes up with the same vin as mine :) On 9/12/08, Cullen McCann wrote: > ...come to think of it, I probably keep track in my mind in case a VIN very > close to my own ever comes up for sale...or something.....Ive seen that > happen > a few times, where a car comes up for sale 1 number off the assembly line > from > another...might be persuasive to pursue such a car....especially if i was > made > of $$$$$...but I do have a folder on my computer ful if pictures, like a > little library of Tigers that have come up on ebay and websites like this > one, > only in the last couple of years since I got my car...with many of them > under > the file name of their VIN....I guess in case the information is ever useful > to anyone... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 14:23:59 2008 From: Cushcom1@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:23:42 EDT Subject: [Tigers] HE....S BAAAACK!!! The Tigerman is back. I just purchased that beautiful black Mk1A that was on e-bay. A previous Dale's Restoration, this puppy is coming home to San Diego from its current lair in Marquette, Michigan. Here we go again. I guess you just can't get enough Tiger...heh, heh, heh jeff the tigerman **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 14:43:28 2008 From: To: Cushcom1@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:43:23 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] HE....S BAAAACK!!! Congrats... That one looked real nice. Steve R ---- Cushcom1@aol.com wrote: > The Tigerman is back. I just purchased that beautiful black Mk1A that was on > e-bay. A previous Dale's Restoration, this puppy is coming home to San Diego > from its current lair in Marquette, Michigan. > > Here we go again. I guess you just can't get enough Tiger...heh, heh, heh > > jeff the tigerman > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten@ca.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 14:56:58 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:56:54 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears Dave, Bill makes a point about the change. If you use a calculator you can find a tire size (larger) that will equal equivalent the difference between the 3.07 and the 2.88 gears. Perhaps you can borrow a set of large sized tires for the rear and "try out" the change (Mustangs, T-Birds etc.). Then if you like the change the tires are a lot cheaper that the gears. With their own wheels (on new larger tires) you can change "ratios" back and forth in about ten minutes. Tom > You might want to use the calculator at this link: > > http://www.corral.net/tech/gearcalc.html > > I am not sure that moving from a 3.07 to 2.88 will make a huge difference. [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1668 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 6:56 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 14:57:59 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: sralsten@ca.rr.com, Cushcom1@aol.com, monkeybike@socal.rr.com, Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:57:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] HE....S BAAAACK!!! Michael king and I were discussing that car last night. Its certainly a lovely tiger. Many congratulations! On 9/12/08, sralsten@ca.rr.com wrote: > Congrats... > > That one looked real nice. > > Steve R > > > ---- Cushcom1@aol.com wrote: >> The Tigerman is back. I just purchased that beautiful black Mk1A that was >> on >> e-bay. A previous Dale's Restoration, this puppy is coming home to San >> Diego >> from its current lair in Marquette, Michigan. >> >> Here we go again. I guess you just can't get enough Tiger...heh, heh, heh >> >> jeff the tigerman >> >> >> >> **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion >> blog, >> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. >> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as sralsten@ca.rr.com >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 15:10:55 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Thomas Witt" , Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:10:26 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears FYI, the static radius of 195/70-13's (compared to that of 5.90-13's) is really close to making up the difference from 2.88 to 3.07 gearing. 205-60-13's are only about 1% larger diameter than OEM 5.90-13, so you'd make up quite a bit of difference on either of those two tire sizes. If you start with a 14" wheel then there is a lot more flexibility on tire size to get larger radius, without getting into really tall sidewalls. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: September 12, 2008 2:57 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears Dave, Bill makes a point about the change. If you use a calculator you can find a tire size (larger) that will equal equivalent the difference between the 3.07 and the 2.88 gears. Perhaps you can borrow a set of large sized tires for the rear and "try out" the change (Mustangs, T-Birds etc.). Then if you like the change the tires are a lot cheaper that the gears. With their own wheels (on new larger tires) you can change "ratios" back and forth in about ten minutes. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 15:22:09 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Thomas Witt Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:20:03 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears According to the TigersUnited.com *Gear Calculator * , the mph/1000 rpm using *2.88* gears and 165R13 tires, is *24* mph/1000 rpm. A *3.07*, using same tires, is *23* mph/1000 rpm. At *5500* rpm the corresponding speeds are: 2.88 is 132 mph. 3.07 is 124 mph. A Ford 5 speed with 0.8 fifth will increase speeds by 20% - providing you have the much greater HP required! "You Pay Your Money, and You Get Your Choice" Larger tires will increase the speed, at the cost of fender clearances front and rear. See manufacturers data for tire diameter on other sizes. ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Thomas Witt wrote: > Dave, > Bill makes a point about the change. If you use a calculator you can find > a tire size (larger) that will equal equivalent the difference between the > 3.07 and the 2.88 gears. Perhaps you can borrow a set of large sized tires > for the rear and "try out" the change (Mustangs, T-Birds etc.). Then if you > like the change the tires are a lot cheaper that the gears. With their own > wheels (on new larger tires) you can change "ratios" back and forth in about > ten minutes. > Tom > > > > >> You might want to use the calculator at this link: >> >> http://www.corral.net/tech/gearcalc.html >> >> I am not sure that moving from a 3.07 to 2.88 will make a huge difference. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 15:34:30 2008 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:34:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Yet another Tiger for sale "B382000985 LRXFE - came out of Michigan. Some might recall its lovely brown paint and double hoop roll bar when it appeared on eBay in 2004" Yes, I remember it well. The owner use to live a couple of miles from me. It was his idea to install the double hoop roll bar. I recall a previous owner installed 70's brown shag carpeting so you can't blame that one on him. Also, a DPO installed brown vinyl seats that looked like they came from a 70's dinette set to match the carpeting and paint. The car definitely looks better IMHO. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 16:06:13 2008 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: mgman71@comcast.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:05:45 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Bell housing There was an aold CAT tewch tip that suggested you could drill a small hole in the bell housing in order to grease a greasable throwout bearing. Prehaps to PO did that. I'd just plug the hole to keep the dirrt out. Dave In a message dated 9/11/2008 9:32:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Mgman71@comcast.net writes: ----- Original Message ----- From: George Re To: tigers Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: Bell housing Thank you to everyone on the info I got on the harmonic balancer. I have another question? I just removed my engine tonight and found the PO for some reason cut a hole in the bell housing I do not think there would be any problem with if I just left it alone because I have used it for a few years and no problem. But I would like to replace it are there any early Fords with the same bell housing or is this one just made for the tiger? Thanks in advance. George B9471055 You are subscribed as djoh797014@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 16:26:56 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , , Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:26:35 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Bell housing "small" is relative, depending on the perception of the DPO and their ability to hit the right spot the first time... Some Tigers have "small" user-installed holes in the transmission tunnel to aid in block-to-bellhousing bolt removal (to allow in-the-car engine/transmission separation). Mine had a 3" square hole on the left side of the tunnel and a 2 x 8" hole across the top. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DJoh797014@aol.com Sent: September 12, 2008 4:06 PM To: mgman71@comcast.net; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Bell housing There was an aold CAT tewch tip that suggested you could drill a small hole in the bell housing in order to grease a greasable throwout bearing. Prehaps to PO did that. I'd just plug the hole to keep the dirrt out. Dave _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 17:22:24 2008 From: "Charles England" To: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:22:01 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] While we are on the subject of rear axle ratios, The rear axle # is H64 285 and the ratio tag is 49 17, Many thanks, Charlie England B9470237 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 17:56:51 2008 From: "Jim" To: "'Charles England'" , Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:56:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] While we are on the subject of rear axle ratios, I don't have a 'ratio' tag on mine but if it is stating the actual tooth count then you have ( 49 w 17 = 2.8823529411764705882352941176471 ) stock 2.88 gears... ;) -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jim=island.net@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jim=island.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Charles England Sent: September 12, 2008 4:22 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] While we are on the subject of rear axle ratios, could someone decode my rear axle # and Ratio Tag The rear axle # is H64 285 and the ratio tag is 49 17, Many thanks, Charlie England B9470237 You are subscribed as jim@island.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 22:24:05 2008 From: "Steve Coleman" To: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:23:15 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Classic & Sports Car Mag, Tiger Article I was in Borders and saw this mag and it is a Best of British special, page 140 has a Tiger VS a Daimeler SP 1960 250, any Tiger mag collectors should pick it up Best Regards, Steve Coleman Your Loan and Real Estate Friend Cell 408-603-3711 Fax 408-866-1039 Email tigerlat70@comcast.net Web Site www.stevesloansandhomes.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 22:31:02 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:30:45 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] While we are on the subject of rear axle ratios, >I don't have a 'ratio' tag on mine but if it is stating the actual tooth > count then you have ( 49 w 17 = 2.8823529411764705882352941176471 ) stock > 2.88 gears... ;) Yea, all that stuff after 2.88 (23529411764705882352941176471) can add up after... a million miles or so. :-) Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1668 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 6:56 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 22:56:57 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:56:31 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears I'm curious about not using used gears. Seems that people will pull the carrier and replace it with a LSD or something of the sort and use the original gears - and it is not an issue. What is the difference between that and accurately setting the pinion depth and ring play with used gears in a different housing? Especially if the tooth print seems correct. Thanks, Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1668 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 6:56 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 06:32:09 2008 From: GRMTim@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 08:31:33 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times I am doing an informal survey for an upcoming article. Who has actually measured their 0-60 times? The old road tests said a Tiger with stock 260 would do 0-60 in about nine seconds. Has anybody beat that figure with modern tires? How about those of you with mild 289s? Anybody with a real radical engine beat five seconds? Please let me know. Thanks, and yes, I have finally adjusted my schedule to have our now finsihed project car at United next month. Doing a 1000 mile rally around Kentucky and then, assuming I don't destroy anything, straight to DC area for the United. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 08:38:41 2008 From: "michael king" To: GRMTim@aol.com, "Tiger's Den" Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:38:14 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times Tim, I did some research on this a few years back, the 0-60 times for tigers in the original road tests varied greatly. The MKI's averaged from 7.8sec-10sec. It sees the Uk road testers would generally get a better 0-60 that the USA.. but would also always fall short of 120mph top speeds. The USA would often have a slower 0-60, but a 120+ top speed. This might be to do with holding revs longer in USA.. or more gentle take offs in the UK.. either way i think a stock tiger even on the old tyres should have beaten 9sec.. and definatly should have beaten the 10sec some testers got. Gran a brroklands gold portfolio book.. it has many of the period road tests from both sides of the pond. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 08:55:44 2008 From: "steve wick" To: , "Thomas Witt" Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 07:55:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears Everything mechanical wears out eventually, but I've had gear sets go 200K miles with no problem. In my case of just rebuilding the rear end, my gears have 135K miles on them, but looked good, and the car isn't a daily driver. I probably won't put over 2K miles a year on it, so I figured I was safe for my lifetime. If it was something I was going to drive 15K miles a year and I was spending the money to have everything else replaced, I'd replace the gears also so I wouldn't be doing it again in 3 years or so. This is just my opinion of course. Steve (in N. Idaho) ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Witt To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears I'm curious about not using used gears. Seems that people will pull the carrier and replace it with a LSD or something of the sort and use the original gears - and it is not an issue. What is the difference between that and accurately setting the pinion depth and ring play with used gears in a different housing? Especially if the tooth print seems correct. Thanks, Tom _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 10:19:36 2008 From: mwood24020@aol.com To: "michael king" , Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 16:20:00 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times I think period road test 0-60 times were really effected by the surface tested on. Lack of traction with the non posi rear and wheel hop must have been tough to manage, to say nothing of the oem tires. I'd bet that it wasn't just a traction issue either, as a grippier surface could make wheel hop worse... Optimized conditions, given the hp, weight, gear etc I would think mid 7 seconds is about right for a 260 car? Mike ------Original Message------ From: michael king Sender: tigers-bounces+mwood24020=aol.com@autox.team.net To: GRMTim@aol.com To: Tiger's Den Sent: Sep 13, 2008 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times Tim, I did some research on this a few years back, the 0-60 times for tigers in the original road tests varied greatly. The MKI's averaged from 7.8sec-10sec. It sees the Uk road testers would generally get a better 0-60 that the USA.. but would also always fall short of 120mph top speeds. The USA would often have a slower 0-60, but a 120+ top speed. This might be to do with holding revs longer in USA.. or more gentle take offs in the UK.. either way i think a stock tiger even on the old tyres should have beaten 9sec.. and definatly should have beaten the 10sec some testers got. Gran a brroklands gold portfolio book.. it has many of the period road tests from both sides of the pond. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as mwood24020@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 10:20:35 2008 From: mwood24020@aol.com To: "michael king" , Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 16:20:22 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times I think period road test 0-60 times were really effected by the surface tested on. Lack of traction with the non posi rear and wheel hop must have been tough to manage, to say nothing of the oem tires. I'd bet that it wasn't just a traction issue either, as a grippier surface could make wheel hop worse... Optimized conditions, given the hp, weight, gear etc I would think mid 7 seconds is about right for a 260 car? Mike ------Original Message------ From: michael king Sender: tigers-bounces+mwood24020=aol.com@autox.team.net To: GRMTim@aol.com To: Tiger's Den Sent: Sep 13, 2008 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times Tim, I did some research on this a few years back, the 0-60 times for tigers in the original road tests varied greatly. The MKI's averaged from 7.8sec-10sec. It sees the Uk road testers would generally get a better 0-60 that the USA.. but would also always fall short of 120mph top speeds. The USA would often have a slower 0-60, but a 120+ top speed. This might be to do with holding revs longer in USA.. or more gentle take offs in the UK.. either way i think a stock tiger even on the old tyres should have beaten 9sec.. and definatly should have beaten the 10sec some testers got. Gran a brroklands gold portfolio book.. it has many of the period road tests from both sides of the pond. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as mwood24020@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 11:36:49 2008 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:36:35 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 Times "I am doing an informal survey for an upcoming article. Who has actually measured their 0-60 times? The old road tests said a Tiger with stock 260 would do 0-60 in about nine seconds. Has anybody beat that figure with modern tires? " My Tiger has the 260 cu in, Edelbrodk 289 Performer, 4bl carb, street cam, stock rear axel and trans and 185/70 13" tire. According to my G Tech (2nd gen) meter does 0 - 60 in 7.7 seconds. Thats averaged over several runs on a hot 4th of July. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 12:13:36 2008 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:13:06 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times I'm sure the 0-60 times would vary depending on whether the Tiger had a wide (better) or close ratio trans. Since the original question asked about the Stock 260 it would assume the less desirable close ratio trans. It would be interesting to know the difference between the close ratio, stock 260 (Mark I), and the wide ratio, stock 289 (extra 36 HP) wide ratio (Mark II). Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 13:45:43 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Thomas Witt Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 12:45:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears Tom, and Tigers, Actually, no difference. It still has to have the proper shims to align the shaft gear to the pinion gear, and torqued properly. Unless, of course, the gear and pinion "previously-owned" set are worn, or the bearings are. All of which need to be purchased again. See a 4-wheel drive shop. Another issue is that the LSD from DANA has different differential gear mounting bolts. The Salisbury LSD version (Jaguar saloons) can take the original 2.88 gears directly. The US unit needs stepped bolts to accommodate diameter change, but other Ford R&P sets made in US use different diameter mounting bolts. Adapter bolts are available, if you know to order them (or let the 4WD shop do it). Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Thomas Witt wrote: > I'm curious about not using used gears. Seems that people will pull the > carrier and replace it with a LSD or something of the sort and use the > original gears - and it is not an issue. /*What is the difference between that > and accurately setting the pinion depth and ring play with used gears in a > different housing?*/ Especially if the tooth print seems correct. > Thanks, Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 13:58:16 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: GRMTim@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:58:10 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times i get between 4 and 5 seconds. nothing radical - just a well built 302. stock gearing (so its all in 1st gear) and 245 rear tires. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 1:31 PM, wrote: > I am doing an informal survey for an upcoming article. Who has actually > measured their 0-60 times? The old road tests said a Tiger with stock 260 would do > 0-60 in about nine seconds. Has anybody beat that figure with modern tires? > > How about those of you with mild 289s? Anybody with a real radical engine > beat five seconds? Please let me know. Thanks, and yes, I have finally adjusted > my schedule to have our now finsihed project car at United next month. Doing a > 1000 mile rally around Kentucky and then, assuming I don't destroy anything, > straight to DC area for the United. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 > > > > ************** > Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 14:55:28 2008 From: Howard gentry To: GRMTim@aol.com, owain.lloyd@gmail.com Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times Owain, As I remember it, the 260 Cobra did 0 to 60 in about 4.4 seconds with a 260 hp 260 cu.in engine. Your times are certainly in the ballpark for a good 250 hp at rear wheels car. Howard The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Owain Lloyd wrote: From: Owain Lloyd Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times To: GRMTim@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 3:58 PM i get between 4 and 5 seconds. nothing radical - just a well built 302. stock gearing (so its all in 1st gear) and 245 rear tires. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 1:31 PM, wrote: > I am doing an informal survey for an upcoming article. Who has actually > measured their 0-60 times? The old road tests said a Tiger with stock 260 would do > 0-60 in about nine seconds. Has anybody beat that figure with modern tires? > > How about those of you with mild 289s? Anybody with a real radical engine > beat five seconds? Please let me know. Thanks, and yes, I have finally adjusted > my schedule to have our now finsihed project car at United next month. Doing a > 1000 mile rally around Kentucky and then, assuming I don't destroy anything, > straight to DC area for the United. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 > > > > ************** > Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as zymmer4@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 15:24:18 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: zymmer4@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:23:59 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times yes, surprisingly (or perhaps not) once you have over 200 at the wheels it doesn't make too much difference getting more power. much more important are weight, gearing (including rev limit for avoiding gear changes) and the torque curve. i can recommend the 'Car Test 2000' simulator (http://www.cartestsoftware.com/cartest2000) which is an extremely accurate and very scientific piece of software for investigating the impact of many variables to the performance of a car. very interesting and could save you a bunch of time and money when looking for performance gains. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Howard gentry wrote: > Owain, > As I remember it, the 260 Cobra did 0 to 60 in about 4.4 seconds with a > 260 hp 260 cu.in engine. Your times are certainly in the ballpark for a > good 250 hp at rear wheels car. > Howard > > The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. > > --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Owain Lloyd wrote: > > From: Owain Lloyd > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times > To: GRMTim@aol.com > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 3:58 PM > > i get between 4 and 5 seconds. nothing radical - just a well built > 302. stock gearing (so its all in 1st gear) and 245 rear tires. > > On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 1:31 PM, wrote: >> I am doing an informal survey for an upcoming article. Who has actually >> measured their 0-60 times? The old road tests said a Tiger with stock 260 > would do >> 0-60 in about nine seconds. Has anybody beat that figure with modern > tires? >> >> How about those of you with mild 289s? Anybody with a real radical engine >> beat five seconds? Please let me know. Thanks, and yes, I have finally > adjusted >> my schedule to have our now finsihed project car at United next month. > Doing a >> 1000 mile rally around Kentucky and then, assuming I don't destroy > anything, >> straight to DC area for the United. >> >> Tim Suddard >> Publisher; Classic Motorsports >> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines >> www.classicmotorsports.net >> www.grassrootsmotorsports.com >> Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 >> >> >> >> ************** >> Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, >> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. >> >> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as zymmer4@yahoo.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 15:34:40 2008 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: "Jim" , Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:34:27 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine tie rod ends Hi Jim, Are you going to tell us what "big steering changes" are?? Curious minds want to know.. Gary -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Jim" > Hi listers... > > I'm making some big steering changes on my Tiger and am looking for a couple > of R.H.thread Alpine tie rod ends... S.S. only sells them in L.H/R.H. pairs > ...and I know that some of you out there have done Dale's Midget rack swap > which only requires the L.H. ones so I'm thinking that if you sourced the > parts from S.S that you might have the R.H. ends still around. If anyone can > help, let me know... > > Thanks in advance > > Jim > B382000446 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 16:19:09 2008 From: drmayf To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:18:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times Cartest 2000 is one of the software packages I use for land speed racing, lol.. I have owned it for several years now. mayf Owain Lloyd wrote: >yes, surprisingly (or perhaps not) once you have over 200 at the >wheels it doesn't make too much difference getting more power. much >more important are weight, gearing (including rev limit for avoiding >gear changes) and the torque curve. > >i can recommend the 'Car Test 2000' simulator >(http://www.cartestsoftware.com/cartest2000) which is an extremely >accurate and very scientific piece of software for investigating the >impact of many variables to the performance of a car. very >interesting and could save you a bunch of time and money when looking >for performance gains. > >On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Howard gentry wrote: > > >>Owain, >> As I remember it, the 260 Cobra did 0 to 60 in about 4.4 seconds with a >>260 hp 260 cu.in engine. Your times are certainly in the ballpark for a >>good 250 hp at rear wheels car. >>Howard >> >>The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. >> >>--- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 16:30:35 2008 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:30:19 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Enginestorage stand Gentlemen (and Ladies?) I have a spare Tiger 260 that I bought from a fellow in MA 30 years ago and I never put it on a stand. I'm cleaning and straightening now and want to obtain an " ENGINE STORAGE STAND." That's kind of a low-rider stand that bolts to the motor mount points on the block. I found one by Accel and one other but I'd like a nice one with casters or wheels. Allows you to clean up and all. Anybody had good luck with a wheeled storage stand? Thanks in advance for all help Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 16:51:31 2008 From: "Jim Parent" To: Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:51:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times Wow. That's in the same territory as the 2008 Lamborghini Murcielago LP460 at 4.0 seconds. How can a Tiger get that much rubber on the road? My Merc E55 will smoke for 100 yards with traction control off. With the computer on it's 0 to 60 in 4.2. -----Original Message----- Owain, As I remember it, the 260 Cobra did 0 to 60 in about 4.4 seconds with a 260 hp 260 cu.in engine. Your times are certainly in the ballpark for a good 250 hp at rear wheels car. Howard --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Owain Lloyd wrote: i get between 4 and 5 seconds. nothing radical - just a well built 302. stock gearing (so its all in 1st gear) and 245 rear tires. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 17:14:00 2008 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: JParent4@tampabay.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:13:37 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times Difference being, the Lambo is timed with an entirely accurate, dispassionate timing system while the Cobra was timed by an enthusiastic editor with a stop watch? ;-) In a message dated 9/13/2008 3:51:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, JParent4@tampabay.rr.com writes: Wow. That's in the same territory as the 2008 Lamborghini Murcielago LP460 at 4.0 seconds **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 19:40:25 2008 From: "Jim" To: , Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:39:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine tie rod ends Gary. After a whole lot of research, I've come up with a plan to install a Mazda power steering rack in the Tiger. The rack will most likely be powered by a Toyota MR2 electric p.s. pump and a 4QD motor controller . No cutting or welding required on the car but there has been a whole lot of fabrication, head scratching and scheming ( not necessarily in that order lol) . Hopefully it will go in this winter along with a z spec T5 trans. There's a couple pics of it mocked up on a spare crossmember here. http://groups.msn.com/431HeronPlace/shoebox.msnw?Page=3 Thanks to all you responded about the tie rods. Dale's kit must be popular. ;) Jim _____ From: garywinblad@comcast.net [mailto:garywinblad@comcast.net] Sent: September 13, 2008 2:34 PM To: Jim; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine tie rod ends Hi Jim, Are you going to tell us what "big steering changes" are?? Curious minds want to know.. Gary -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Jim" > Hi listers... > > I'm making some big steering changes on my Tiger and am looking for a couple > of R.H.thread Alpine tie rod ends... S.S. only sells them in L.H/R.H. pairs > ...and I know that some of you out there have done Dale's Midget rack swap > which only requires the L.H. ones so I'm thinking that if you sourced the > parts from S.S that you might have the R.H. ends still around. If anyone can > help, let me know... > > Thanks in advance > > Jim > B382000446 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 19:46:10 2008 From: "michael king" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 11:46:00 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times Guys, Back to the original road test times, they all ran with the stock tyres and no traction bars except for the test by Motor trend as their car had the traction bars. Of interest is how much of a difference the SAME ROAD TEST CAR would give with different drivers. I think it had much more to do with the way the tester got it off the line than surface or weather. Road and Track got their tiger to 60 in 7.8 and topped out at 118, this was the fastest USA road test time for the 0-60. Generaly the Tigers in the USA were in the 8sec bracket and 120-24 mph top speed. Autosport in the UK got 7.6 sec 0-60 and noted by george grant "It was discovered early on that "racing" starts produced pronounced axel tramp and that the ideal method of driving the car was to trickle off , and take full advantage of the imense torque of the V8 engine. In other words, the rigid aaxel employed is immenantly satisfactory for sensible driving, but will react somewhat visously if harsh methods are employed" This i think is interesting as he knew how much time would be lost if you did not get the car away smoothly.. i'd say to many testers got eh wheels spining or trampling and lost time... sometimes was quicker to be slower. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 19:49:40 2008 From: "michael king" To: Jim Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 11:49:34 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine tie rod ends There is a Tiger in AU running a subaru rack with power steering, no welding or body mods. I think its from a NZ spec car. I'm a bit short on details and dont have any photos.. what can i say.. i'm just to strong to need all that stuff.. heck i even have a stock rack ;-) Seriously though.. if anyone is interested i am sure i can take some pics or get some more info. On 14/09/2008, Jim wrote: > Gary. > > > > After a whole lot of research, I've come up with a plan to install a Mazda > power steering rack in the Tiger. The rack will most likely be powered by a > Toyota MR2 electric p.s. pump and a 4QD motor controller . No cutting or > welding required on the car but there has been a whole lot of fabrication, > head scratching and scheming ( not necessarily in that order lol) . > Hopefully it will go in this winter along with a z spec T5 trans. > > There's a couple pics of it mocked up on a spare crossmember here. > > > > http://groups.msn.com/431HeronPlace/shoebox.msnw?Page=3 > > > > Thanks to all you responded about the tie rods. Dale's kit must be popular. > ;) > > > > Jim > > > > _____ > > From: garywinblad@comcast.net [mailto:garywinblad@comcast.net] > Sent: September 13, 2008 2:34 PM > To: Jim; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine tie rod ends > > > > Hi Jim, > > Are you going to tell us what "big steering changes" are?? > > Curious minds want to know.. > > Gary > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Jim" > >> Hi listers... >> >> I'm making some big steering changes on my Tiger and am looking for a > couple >> of R.H.thread Alpine tie rod ends... S.S. only sells them in L.H/R.H. > pairs >> ...and I know that some of you out there have done Dale's Midget rack swap > >> which only requires the L.H. ones so I'm thinking that if you sourced the >> parts from S.S that you might have the R.H. ends still around. If anyone > can >> help, let me know... >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> Jim >> B382000446 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as michael.s.king@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Sep 14 06:08:15 2008 From: Larry & Susan To: Tiger List Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:07:38 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Caliper Alas, I have not only been away from the Tiger List too long, but I haven9t been out in the car enough either. I guess I went a few too many weeks or months with the car sitting in the garage (on a lift) and I noticed a telltale drip on the inside of one rear tire. So, I have a hydraulic leak. Ugh! I hate working on hydraulics So, it9s time to address those calipers. Yes, rear discs, I have one of Dale9s rear disc conversions that I put on during my 1999 suspension rebuild (I9ll spare you all and not repost my 3Underneath2 story, all 21,000 words of it). So, I called Dale. He was friendly enough, as always, but he9s not 3supporting2 that conversion anymore, so I need to look elsewhere. He tells me the calipers are for a Fiat 124 Spyder, any year will fit, and he tells me that rebuilding them is not practical so I need entire new calipers but he thinks they are only $55-$60 each. Therefore, before I merely call the local auto parts store, has anyone replaced there before, or sourced them themselves bypassing Dale9s kit, or maybe even belong to a Fiat club? I am looking for some place where I can order a pair of calipers on-line that knows what they are doing, I don9t want to trust the local Pep Boys counterman used to supplying alternators for Ford Escorts. Larry Wright _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Sep 14 12:16:32 2008 From: "Duke Samouce" To: "'Tiger List'" Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:16:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Caliper I used to own a 124 (a very dark period of my life) and checked all of the old parts suppliers. All have the caliper as NLA except one. Check this guy - http://www.fiatparts.com/fiatcatalog.pdf Page 42, $90 for a rebuilt caliper, no core. Good luck. Duke B328002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry & Susan Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 7:08 AM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] Caliper Alas, I have not only been away from the Tiger List too long, but I haven9t been out in the car enough either. I guess I went a few too many weeks or months with the car sitting in the garage (on a lift) and I noticed a telltale drip on the inside of one rear tire. So, I have a hydraulic leak. Ugh! I hate working on hydraulics So, it9s time to address those calipers. Yes, rear discs, I have one of Dale9s rear disc conversions that I put on during my 1999 suspension rebuild (I9ll spare you all and not repost my 3Underneath2 story, all 21,000 words of it). So, I called Dale. He was friendly enough, as always, but he9s not 3supporting2 that conversion anymore, so I need to look elsewhere. He tells me the calipers are for a Fiat 124 Spyder, any year will fit, and he tells me that rebuilding them is not practical so I need entire new calipers but he thinks they are only $55-$60 each. Therefore, before I merely call the local auto parts store, has anyone replaced there before, or sourced them themselves bypassing Dale9s kit, or maybe even belong to a Fiat club? I am looking for some place where I can order a pair of calipers on-line that knows what they are doing, I don9t want to trust the local Pep Boys counterman used to supplying alternators for Ford Escorts. Larry Wright You are subscribed as wsamouce@kc.rr.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Sep 14 13:11:53 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Rollright@aol.com, Tiger's Den Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:11:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Enginestorage stand Jim, and Tigers, Firstly, I do NOT own any stock in this company, but have found that for _limited_ personal use, their items are reasonable. Here is the link to the _/*Harbor Freight*/_ website for "Engine Stand" Prices range from $70 to $120, depending on load requirements. They also have an "Engine Support Bar" for holding a motor in place if you are removing the Transmission. Needs hook to overhead support. Steve Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Rollright@aol.com wrote: > Gentlemen (and Ladies?) > > I have a spare Tiger 260 that I bought from a fellow in MA 30 years ago and > I never put it on a stand. > > I'm cleaning and straightening now and want to obtain an " ENGINE STORAGE > STAND." > > That's kind of a low-rider stand that bolts to the motor mount points on the > block. I found one by Accel and one other but I'd like a nice one with > casters or wheels. Allows you to clean up and all. > > Anybody had good luck with a wheeled storage stand? > > Thanks in advance for all help > > Best regards, > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Sep 14 13:27:16 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Jim Parent Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:27:05 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times The _/*Motor Trend Cobra Road Test*/_ of the 1963 289 CID, shows a top speed of 130 MPH, and 0-60 at 5.8 sec. Other test results include 13.8 seconds for 1/4 mile at 104, and 60-0 braking at 128 feet. _/* Road & Track*/_ test in 1964 Road Test Annual of the "260" V-8 and 260 bhp at 5800 rpm ( 1 year before Carroll designed the Tiger), gives 0-60 times of 4.2 seconds, 112 mph in 1/4 mile in 13.8 seconds. Good reading. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Jim Parent wrote: > Wow. That's in the same territory as the 2008 Lamborghini Murcielago LP460 > at 4.0 seconds. > > How can a Tiger get that much rubber on the road? > > My Merc E55 will smoke for 100 yards with traction control off. > > With the computer on it's 0 to 60 in 4.2. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Sep 14 17:23:05 2008 From: "Lynn Wall" To: Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:22:54 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Help with a Windsor timing chain cover Dos anybody know the size of the hole in the timing chain cover that the dipstick presses into? I have a cover from a rear sump engine that I am converting to a front sump engine. It has a boss that I can drill. I just need to know the size of the hole. It might be the same as the 302 cover but I'm not sure. Thanks in advance, Lynn _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Sep 14 17:30:50 2008 From: "Mike Michels" To: "Lynn Wall" , Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:30:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Help with a Windsor timing chain cover Lynn, I have an extra timing cover from a 289 with the hole already bored. It measures 0.380 in. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Wall" To: Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 4:22 PM Subject: [Tigers] Help with a Windsor timing chain cover > Dos anybody know the size of the hole in the timing chain cover that the > dipstick presses into? I have a cover from a rear sump engine that I am > converting to a front sump engine. It has a boss that I can drill. I > just > need to know the size of the hole. > > > > It might be the same as the 302 cover but I'm not sure. > > > > Thanks in advance, Lynn > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mmichels@socal.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Sun Sep 14 17:43:44 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: mmichels@socal.rr.com, cars@wt-inc.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 19:43:32 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Help with a Windsor timing chain cover On the dipstick tube... one thing I discovered is that the cars with generators generally had longer tubes and therefor required longer dipsticks. The tubes that I've checked seemed to come to either the top of the generator or the top of the alternator. Since the alternator was generally mounted lower, the tube tended to be shorter. So, using a dipstick that you think is right will not ensure that you get an accurate reading if the replacement tube is longer or shorter than the original that the dipstick came with. Mark **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 06:55:28 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , , , Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:52:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Help with a Windsor timing chain cover Mark You make a good point. The part numbers listed for the original 260 are: Dipstick C4JZ-6750-A Tube C20Z-6754-A I'm not sure what the numbers are for the 289 engine. I believe I had the original parts on my Tiger but it is hard to say for certain. The oil level never corresponded correctly with the marks on the dipstick so I added a mark to indicate full. These days it is very hard to tell if the original parts are still your Tiger or if they have been swapped around with other parts. I highly recommend that everyone check and remark the dipstick if there is a difference so you know when the sump is full and when it is a quart low. The diameter of the dipstick hole in a timing cover I have measures .372", the bore is gummed up a bit, and it is countersunk. I believe 3/8", .375", is the correct size. Check the diameter of the tube you have. It should be just a slight press fit. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 7:44 PM To: mmichels@socal.rr.com; cars@wt-inc.com; tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Help with a Windsor timing chain cover On the dipstick tube... one thing I discovered is that the cars with generators generally had longer tubes and therefor required longer dipsticks. The tubes that I've checked seemed to come to either the top of the generator or the top of the alternator. Since the alternator was generally mounted lower, the tube tended to be shorter. So, using a dipstick that you think is right will not ensure that you get an accurate reading if the replacement tube is longer or shorter than the original that the dipstick came with. Mark **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1671 - Release Date: 9/14/2008 7:16 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 06:56:26 2008 From: Carmods@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:56:12 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Alpine tie rod ends Hi Jim, In your pictures of the Mazda rack for the Tiger, it looks like the tie rods are different length. If so, won't you get some "bump steer"? John Logan **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 07:08:55 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:05:59 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Help with a Windsor timing chain cover silly question (?) ... how would you know if its correctly calibrated? On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Mark > You make a good point. > > The part numbers listed for the original 260 are: > > Dipstick C4JZ-6750-A > Tube C20Z-6754-A > > I'm not sure what the numbers are for the 289 engine. > > I believe I had the original parts on my Tiger but it is hard to say > for certain. The oil level never corresponded correctly with the marks on > the dipstick so I added a mark to indicate full. These days it is very > hard to tell if the original parts are still your Tiger or if they have been > swapped around with other parts. > > I highly recommend that everyone check and remark the dipstick if there is a > difference so you know when the sump is full and when it is a quart low. > > The diameter of the dipstick hole in a timing cover I have measures .372", > the bore is gummed up a bit, and it is countersunk. I believe 3/8", .375", > is the correct size. Check the diameter of the tube you have. It should > be just a slight press fit. > > Ron Fraser > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > CoolVT@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 7:44 PM > To: mmichels@socal.rr.com; cars@wt-inc.com; tigers@Autox.Team.Net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Help with a Windsor timing chain cover > > > On the dipstick tube... one thing I discovered is that the cars with > generators generally had longer tubes and therefor required longer > dipsticks. The > tubes that I've checked seemed to come to either the top of the generator > or > the top of the alternator. Since the alternator was generally mounted > lower, > the tube tended to be shorter. > So, using a dipstick that you think is right will not ensure that you get > an > accurate reading if the replacement tube is longer or shorter than the > original that the dipstick came with. > Mark > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1671 - Release Date: 9/14/2008 > 7:16 AM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 07:14:50 2008 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:14:30 EDT Subject: [Tigers] engine storage stand Hello, To clarify my search, I'm looking for an "ENGINE STORAGE STAND" for a small block Ford with wheels or casters. Somehow I conveyed too vague a description of my quest. For an example of this kind of item, (albeit without wheels) see: _http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Engine-Storage-or-Shipping-Stand-Ford_W0QQcmdZ ViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1163Q7c39Q3a1Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksi dZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem250294363772QQitemZ250294363772_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Engine-Storage-or-Shipping-Stand-Ford_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkpa rmsZ72Q3a1163Q7c39Q3a1Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em 14QQhashZitem250294363772QQitemZ250294363772) Thanks all, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 07:27:04 2008 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: Rollright@aol.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:26:40 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine storage stand There is a nice picture here but I can't bring it up. _http://www.jcwhitney.com/Jacks-Hoists-Lifting-Stands-Winches/600017517.jcw_ (http://www.jcwhitney.com/Jacks-Hoists-Lifting-Stands-Winches/600017517.jcw) In a message dated 9/15/2008 6:15:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Rollright@aol.com writes: Hello, To clarify my search, I'm looking for an "ENGINE STORAGE STAND" for a small block Ford with wheels or casters. Somehow I conveyed too vague a description of my quest. For an example of this kind of item, (albeit without wheels) see: _http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Engine-Storage-or-Shipping-Stand-Ford_W0QQcmdZ ViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1163Q7c39Q3a1Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksi dZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem250294363772QQitemZ250294363772_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Engine-Storage-or-Shipping-Stand-Ford_W0QQcmdZ ViewItemQQ_trkpa rmsZ72Q3a1163Q7c39Q3a1Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em 14QQhashZitem250294363772QQitemZ250294363772) Thanks all, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) You are subscribed as aaaglasss@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 08:57:56 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Thomas Witt" , Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:56:55 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears In my experience setting up Toyota diffs (they have a removable 3rd member like the Ford 9 inch etc.), removing the ring gear assembly (to install a LSD on the existing gearset) doesn't require you to re-set the pinion depth, and all that you really have to do is to get the backlash set correctly using the side-adjustment and you'll have the right pattern, assuming the gears were good to begin with. The side to side adjustment is done with screw-in preload adjusters and it's a very straightforward procedure. On the Toyota diff, setting the pinion depth has to be done with spacers, a crushable sleeve between the front and rear pinion bearings, and a press to get the gears on and off. When I did mine, I used a brake cylinder hone to enlarge the old pinion bearing ID so that it was a very light press fit on the new pinion shaft, and then figured out the right spacer combination. Final assembly then involved pressing on the new pinion bearing, crushing the sleeve to get the right pinion preload, and THEN setting up the backlash to get the gear pattern right. It worked OK, but I was able to do all that with the whole assembly mounted in a vise on the workbench. Having to spread the axle housing to get the ring gear assembly in and out every time (and possibly having the rear axle housing still under the car) would significantly increase the hassle factor. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: September 12, 2008 10:57 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears I'm curious about not using used gears. Seems that people will pull the carrier and replace it with a LSD or something of the sort and use the original gears - and it is not an issue. What is the difference between that and accurately setting the pinion depth and ring play with used gears in a different housing? Especially if the tooth print seems correct. Thanks, Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 08:59:49 2008 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:59:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine storage stand Jim It's not that hard to make one from 2x4s and 4 casters if you can't find one you like. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 9:15 AM To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] engine storage stand Hello, To clarify my search, I'm looking for an "ENGINE STORAGE STAND" for a small block Ford with wheels or casters. Somehow I conveyed too vague a description of my quest. For an example of this kind of item, (albeit without wheels) see: ---------------------------------------------------- Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1672 - Release Date: 9/15/2008 9:21 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 11:05:20 2008 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:05:08 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine storage stand OR, its good welding practice to make it out of metal... that's what I did. Gary -------------- Original message -------------- From: " Ron Fraser" > Jim > It's not that hard to make one from 2x4s and 4 casters if you can't > find one you like. > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Rollright@aol.com > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 9:15 AM > To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net > Subject: [Tigers] engine storage stand > > > Hello, > > To clarify my search, I'm looking for an "ENGINE STORAGE STAND" for a small > > block Ford with wheels or casters. > > Somehow I conveyed too vague a description of my quest. For an example of > this kind of item, (albeit without wheels) see: > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 11:50:14 2008 From: vegaslegal@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:49:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Posi? There's every chance that this question is going to sound ignorant.? My car's sole prior owner's husband had a lot of LAT options put on the car when new, right down to the shocks and wheels.? From a stand still in first on a jack rabbit start the tires break loose immediately.? In looking back at the 'patch', both wheels most definately spin all the way through first gear.? One side is black as coal while the other wheel?spun somewhat less (about 50%).? Is the lesser wheel just getting some type of limited slip effect from the differential, or does the fact that both wheels are spinning mean that there is a posi-traction installed by the prior owner as?well?? I don't really want to tear into the rear end, and although I fancy myself a car-guy, I don't think I'd recognize?the posi-traction anyway. Bob 382000975? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 11:54:15 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: vegaslegal@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:54:09 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Posi? if you jack the rear end up and turn one wheel the wheel on the other side will turn in the same direction if you have a posi. if the other wheel turns the other way you don't. On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 6:49 PM, wrote: > There's every chance that this question is going to sound ignorant.? My car's sole prior owner's husband had a lot of LAT options put on the car when new, right down to the shocks and wheels.? From a stand still in first on a jack rabbit start the tires break loose immediately.? In looking back at the 'patch', both wheels most definately spin all the way through first gear.? One side is black as coal while the other wheel?spun somewhat less (about 50%).? Is the lesser wheel just getting some type of limited slip effect from the differential, or does the fact that both wheels are spinning mean that there is a posi-traction installed by the prior owner as?well?? I don't really want to tear into the rear end, and although I fancy myself a car-guy, I don't think I'd recognize?the posi-traction anyway. > > Bob > 382000975? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 12:08:39 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:00:03 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Posi? Clutch-type limited-slip differentials can be easily checked for. Put the car in neutral, jack up ONE rear wheel, and then (with the handbrake off - chock the wheels that are on the ground) see if you can turn the wheel that's in the air, by hand. Another way is to jack up the entire rear axle, with the transmission in gear, and then see if you can spin either rear wheel by hand. On an open differential, the opposite wheel will spin in the other direction. With a limited slip, the opposite wheel will try to move in the same direction, but the rotation will be prevented by the trans being in gear. Neither method works for Torsen diffs. The approach you've described, however, is effective... If the above methods fail but you can't spin just one tire no matter how hard you try, you've probably got a Torsen in there. It's easily visually distinguished from an open diff (or any other kind of LSD) by the use of helical "spider" gears. It's typical for the right-side tire to spin more due to the effect of driveshaft torque on the rear axle, with any diff, unless you've got a spool. Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 12:09:25 2008 From: "Greg Koss" To: Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:03:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Enginestorage stand Try: http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/NTESearch?storeId=6970& in_dym=1&Nty=1&D=than&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&N=0&Ntk=All&Ntt=engine%20cradl e&cmnosearch=PPC&cm_ven=PPC&cm_cat=I-search%20(Google%20Adwords)&cm_pla=autor epair&cm_ite=engine%20cradle >>> 9/13/2008 6:30 PM >>> Gentlemen (and Ladies?) I have a spare Tiger 260 that I bought from a fellow in MA 30 years ago and I never put it on a stand. I'm cleaning and straightening now and want to obtain an " ENGINE STORAGE STAND." That's kind of a low-rider stand that bolts to the motor mount points on the block. I found one by Accel and one other but I'd like a nice one with casters or wheels. Allows you to clean up and all. Anybody had good luck with a wheeled storage stand? Thanks in advance for all help Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 12:09:31 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: vegaslegal@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:03:52 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Posi? also, i think its normal to spin both wheels when you lay on that much power in a straight line. with a posi, you would find it doesn't spin the inside wheel when accelerating out of a corner. On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > if you jack the rear end up and turn one wheel the wheel on the other > side will turn in the same direction if you have a posi. if the other > wheel turns the other way you don't. > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 6:49 PM, wrote: >> There's every chance that this question is going to sound ignorant.? My car's sole prior owner's husband had a lot of LAT options put on the car when new, right down to the shocks and wheels.? From a stand still in first on a jack rabbit start the tires break loose immediately.? In looking back at the 'patch', both wheels most definately spin all the way through first gear.? One side is black as coal while the other wheel?spun somewhat less (about 50%).? Is the lesser wheel just getting some type of limited slip effect from the differential, or does the fact that both wheels are spinning mean that there is a posi-traction installed by the prior owner as?well?? I don't really want to tear into the rear end, and although I fancy myself a car-guy, I don't think I'd recognize?the posi-traction anyway. >> >> Bob >> 382000975? >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 12:16:11 2008 From: "Greg Koss" To: Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:15:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Enginestorage stand Or try this one only $19.20 http://www.edmwi.com/home/edm_1221502441369/viewcart?message=1+ENGINE+CRADLE+ -+FITS+FORD+V8+MOTORS+-+1000+lb+CAPACITY+has+been+added+to+your+shopping+cart . >>> 9/13/2008 6:30 PM >>> Gentlemen (and Ladies?) I have a spare Tiger 260 that I bought from a fellow in MA 30 years ago and I never put it on a stand. I'm cleaning and straightening now and want to obtain an " ENGINE STORAGE STAND." That's kind of a low-rider stand that bolts to the motor mount points on the block. I found one by Accel and one other but I'd like a nice one with casters or wheels. Allows you to clean up and all. Anybody had good luck with a wheeled storage stand? Thanks in advance for all help Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 13:04:48 2008 From: Bill Waite To: tigers@autox.team.net, Greg Koss Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine storage stand Greg... I second that. I've used one like that for many years: works great and you sure don't need to pay more for a storage stand. Bill Waite --- On Mon, 9/15/08, Greg Koss wrote: From: Greg Koss Subject: Re: [Tigers] Enginestorage stand To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 2:15 PM Or try this one only $19.20 http://www.edmwi.com/home/edm_1221502441369/viewcart?message=1+ENGINE+CRADLE+ -+FITS+FORD+V8+MOTORS+-+1000+lb+CAPACITY+has+been+added+to+your+shopping+cart . >>> 9/13/2008 6:30 PM >>> Gentlemen (and Ladies?) I have a spare Tiger 260 that I bought from a fellow in MA 30 years ago and I never put it on a stand. I'm cleaning and straightening now and want to obtain an " ENGINE STORAGE STAND." That's kind of a low-rider stand that bolts to the motor mount points on the block. I found one by Accel and one other but I'd like a nice one with casters or wheels. Allows you to clean up and all. Anybody had good luck with a wheeled storage stand? Thanks in advance for all help Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE You are subscribed as fordlandia@sbcglobal.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 13:41:14 2008 From: "Lynn Wall" To: "'Greg Koss'" , Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:40:40 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Enginestorage stand Having built one myself (and had all the fun you can imagine). I can tell you that it would be mighty difficult to even buy the parts for what this one costs. I may purchase this one myself. The one I built was pretty beefy because I wanted to use it for motor break in as well. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+cars=wt-inc.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+cars=wt-inc.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Koss Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 12:16 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Enginestorage stand Or try this one only $19.20 http://www.edmwi.com/home/edm_1221502441369/viewcart?message=1+ENGINE+CRADLE + -+FITS+FORD+V8+MOTORS+-+1000+lb+CAPACITY+has+been+added+to+your+shopping+car t . >>> 9/13/2008 6:30 PM >>> Gentlemen (and Ladies?) I have a spare Tiger 260 that I bought from a fellow in MA 30 years ago and I never put it on a stand. I'm cleaning and straightening now and want to obtain an " ENGINE STORAGE STAND." That's kind of a low-rider stand that bolts to the motor mount points on the block. I found one by Accel and one other but I'd like a nice one with casters or wheels. Allows you to clean up and all. Anybody had good luck with a wheeled storage stand? Thanks in advance for all help Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE You are subscribed as cars@wt-inc.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 18:19:49 2008 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:19:24 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] resr setup If you want to check your gear pattern, get some prussian blue, avalable at any good auto parts supply store, the lead stuff I think is gone, Clyde _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 19:54:26 2008 From: "steve wick" To: Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:53:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine storage stand I made mine out of 2x4's and casters. I made it just wide enough that the oil pan will drop into it and be wedged tight. I've been using it for years and it probably only cost me $10.00 to make. Steve (Redneck in Idaho) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Fraser To: Rollright@aol.com ; tigers@Autox.Team.Net Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine storage stand Jim It's not that hard to make one from 2x4s and 4 casters if you can't find one you like. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 9:15 AM To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] engine storage stand Hello, To clarify my search, I'm looking for an "ENGINE STORAGE STAND" for a small block Ford with wheels or casters. Somehow I conveyed too vague a description of my quest. For an example of this kind of item, (albeit without wheels) see: ---------------------------------------------------- Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1672 - Release Date: 9/15/2008 9:21 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as srwick@hotmail.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 22:16:09 2008 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:15:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine storage stand I did the same...lumber and casters on hand....only cost was some time. http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/enginebuild/engine6.jpg Paul ---------------------------------------- > From: srwick@hotmail.com > To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net > Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:53:12 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine storage stand > > I made mine out of 2x4's and casters. I made it just wide enough that the oil > pan will drop into it and be wedged tight. I've been using it for years and > it > probably only cost me $10.00 to make. > > Steve (Redneck in Idaho) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron Fraser > To: Rollright@aol.com ; > tigers@Autox.Team.Net > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:59 AM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine storage stand > > > Jim > It's not that hard to make one from 2x4s and 4 casters if you can't > find one you like. > Ron Fraser > > Subject: [Tigers] engine storage stand > > > Hello, > > To clarify my search, I'm looking for an "ENGINE STORAGE STAND" for a small > > block Ford with wheels or casters. > > Somehow I conveyed too vague a description of my quest. For an example of > this kind of item, (albeit without wheels) see: > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE > > > _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life togetherat home, work, or on the go. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 22:51:11 2008 From: "Steve Ralsten" To: Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:50:41 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Rear License Display Is there a correct ? Or is it just personal choice ? Setup differently by dealers or owners or is it another Mk1 vs Mk1a issue ? My car has the plate illuminating lights on top side of the holding plate, with the plate above the bumper Others seem to have the lights under the holding plate and plate under bumper. Plate up or plate down ? http://www.americandreamcars.com/1967tiger071204.jpg http://images.mustangandfords.com/featuredvehicles/mufp_0707_02_z+1965_sunbeam_tiger_Mk1+rear.jpg Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Sep 16 06:45:09 2008 From: Dave Munroe To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:43:23 -0300 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pocket Dyno Ok Guys; It was just a matter of time. Your $300 G-Tech Pro's and full-size dynos have just been obsoleted by a $12.95 software packet for your iPhone. All your querstions about 1/4 mile times, zero to 60, rear wheel horsepower etc can be answered by that obnoxious little gizmo school kids and other like-minded juvinile wannabes have glued into their ear canals: http://www.nextautos.com/iphone-app-puts-a-dyno-in-your-pocket?gid=10237&nid=26810#gallery-10237 Enjoy or weep, whatever your predeliction. Dave _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Sep 16 08:06:09 2008 From: vegaslegal@aol.com To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:05:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Posi? Wow, great answers.? Thanks all. -----Original Message----- From: Owain Lloyd To: vegaslegal@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:03 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] Posi? also, i think its normal to spin both wheels when you lay on that much power in a straight line. with a posi, you would find it doesn't spin the inside wheel when accelerating out of a corner. On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > if you jack the rear end up and turn one wheel the wheel on the other > side will turn in the same direction if you have a posi. if the other > wheel turns the other way you don't. > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 6:49 PM, wrote: >> There's every chance that this question is going to sound ignorant.? My car's sole prior owner's husband had a lot of LAT options put on the car when new, right down to the shocks and wheels.? From a stand still in first on a jack rabbit start the tires break loose immediately.? In looking back at the 'patch', both wheels most definately spin all the way through first gear.? One side is black as coal while the other wheel?spun somewhat less (about 50%).? Is the lesser wheel just getting some type of limited slip effect from the differential, or does the fact that both wheels are spinning mean that there is a posi-traction installed by the prior owner as?well?? I don't really want to tear into the rear end, and although I fancy myself a car-guy, I don't think I'd recognize?the posi-traction anyway. >> >> Bob >> 382000975? >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Sep 16 12:29:42 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: Steve Ralsten Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:29:11 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear License Display Steve, Plate UP!, complying with most states height requirements. As we compared our Tiger "features", I am sure that your lights are pointed in the correct upwards position to illuminate the rear deck lid original placement. Mine are pointing down for a under-bumper plate location for looks, but reversible for originality. See pic at TigersUnited.com "Owner's Garage" for pic. http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/laifman_s/default.asp Your links (below) show a red Maryland Tiger (tomato soup?) like mine and the Red Mk I with the original location on the "MustangsandFords" link in your message. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Ralsten wrote: > Is there a correct ? Or is it just personal choice ? Setup differently by > dealers or owners or is it another Mk1 vs Mk1a issue ? My car has the plate > illuminating lights on top side of the holding plate, with the plate above > the bumper > Others seem to have the lights under the holding plate and plate under > bumper. > > Plate up or plate down ? > > http://www.americandreamcars.com/1967tiger071204.jpg > > http://images.mustangandfords.com/featuredvehicles/mufp_0707_02_z+1965_sunbeam_tiger_Mk1+rear.jpg > > > Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Sep 16 12:48:19 2008 From: To: Steve Laifman Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:48:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear License Display I had never really paid any attention until stopping by your place last weekend. To me the above looks correct BUT that is probably just because it's in the majority. Plate above as you say makes more sense with a neater light mounting, but it does not make much sense regarding the trunck lift handle. By the time you mount a trunck lid plate with a frame the handle is pretty much covered. But also if you take into account the wider but less tall British plates in use on Alpines when the Tiger was first being created I guess trunck mounting makes more sense and would leave the lift handle visible and useful. All in all it doesn't really matter much, just curious. Steve R ---- Steve Laifman wrote: > Steve, > > Plate UP!, complying with most states height requirements. > > As we compared our Tiger "features", I am sure that your lights are > pointed in the correct upwards position to illuminate the rear deck lid > original placement. Mine are pointing down for a under-bumper plate > location for looks, but reversible for originality. > > See pic at TigersUnited.com "Owner's Garage" for pic. > > http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/laifman_s/default.asp > > Your links (below) show a red Maryland Tiger (tomato soup?) like mine > and the Red Mk I with the original location on the "MustangsandFords" > link in your message. > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > Steve Ralsten wrote: > > Is there a correct ? Or is it just personal choice ? Setup differently by > > dealers or owners or is it another Mk1 vs Mk1a issue ? My car has the plate > > illuminating lights on top side of the holding plate, with the plate above > > the bumper > > Others seem to have the lights under the holding plate and plate under > > bumper. > > > > Plate up or plate down ? > > > > http://www.americandreamcars.com/1967tiger071204.jpg > > > > http://images.mustangandfords.com/featuredvehicles/mufp_0707_02_z+1965_sunbeam_tiger_Mk1+rear.jpg > > > > > > Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Sep 16 12:50:39 2008 From: To: Steve Laifman Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:50:33 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear License Display I had never really paid any attention until stopping by your place last weekend. To me the above looks correct BUT that is probably just because it's in the majority. Plate above as you say makes more sense with a neater light mounting, but it does not make much sense regarding the trunck lift handle. By the time you mount a trunck lid plate with a frame the handle is pretty much covered. But also if you take into account the wider but less tall British plates in use on Alpines when the Tiger was first being created I guess trunck mounting makes more sense and would leave the lift handle visible and useful. All in all it doesn't really matter much, just curious. Steve R ---- Steve Laifman wrote: > Steve, > > Plate UP!, complying with most states height requirements. > > As we compared our Tiger "features", I am sure that your lights are > pointed in the correct upwards position to illuminate the rear deck lid > original placement. Mine are pointing down for a under-bumper plate > location for looks, but reversible for originality. > > See pic at TigersUnited.com "Owner's Garage" for pic. > > http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/laifman_s/default.asp > > Your links (below) show a red Maryland Tiger (tomato soup?) like mine > and the Red Mk I with the original location on the "MustangsandFords" > link in your message. > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > Steve Ralsten wrote: > > Is there a correct ? Or is it just personal choice ? Setup differently by > > dealers or owners or is it another Mk1 vs Mk1a issue ? My car has the plate > > illuminating lights on top side of the holding plate, with the plate above > > the bumper > > Others seem to have the lights under the holding plate and plate under > > bumper. > > > > Plate up or plate down ? > > > > http://www.americandreamcars.com/1967tiger071204.jpg > > > > http://images.mustangandfords.com/featuredvehicles/mufp_0707_02_z+1965_sunbeam_tiger_Mk1+rear.jpg > > > > > > Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Tue Sep 16 12:53:35 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: sralsten@ca.rr.com, "Steve Laifman" , Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:53:25 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear License Display I have one each :). An illinois plate on the 'boot' and a uk plate under bumper mounted on a CAT club bracket with lights pointing down. That's fine here because the illinois plate is just considered decoration like any other decal would be. On 9/16/08, sralsten@ca.rr.com wrote: > I had never really paid any attention until stopping by your place last > weekend. To me the above looks correct BUT that is probably just because > it's in the majority. > Plate above as you say makes more sense with a neater light mounting, but it > does not make much sense regarding the trunck lift handle. By the time you > mount a trunck lid plate with a frame the handle is pretty much covered. But > also if you take into account the wider but less tall British plates in use > on Alpines when the Tiger was first being created I guess trunck mounting > makes more sense and would leave the lift handle visible and useful. > > All in all it doesn't really matter much, just curious. > > Steve R > > > ---- Steve Laifman wrote: >> Steve, >> >> Plate UP!, complying with most states height requirements. >> >> As we compared our Tiger "features", I am sure that your lights are >> pointed in the correct upwards position to illuminate the rear deck lid >> original placement. Mine are pointing down for a under-bumper plate >> location for looks, but reversible for originality. >> >> See pic at TigersUnited.com "Owner's Garage" for pic. >> >> http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/laifman_s/default.asp >> >> Your links (below) show a red Maryland Tiger (tomato soup?) like mine >> and the Red Mk I with the original location on the "MustangsandFords" >> link in your message. >> >> Steve >> >> ___ >> Steve Laifman >> Editor - TigersUnited.com >> >> >> >> Steve Ralsten wrote: >> > Is there a correct ? Or is it just personal choice ? Setup differently >> > by >> > dealers or owners or is it another Mk1 vs Mk1a issue ? My car has the >> > plate >> > illuminating lights on top side of the holding plate, with the plate >> > above >> > the bumper >> > Others seem to have the lights under the holding plate and plate under >> > bumper. >> > >> > Plate up or plate down ? >> > >> > http://www.americandreamcars.com/1967tiger071204.jpg >> > >> > http://images.mustangandfords.com/featuredvehicles/mufp_0707_02_z+1965_sunbeam_tiger_Mk1+rear.jpg >> > >> > >> > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 17 10:34:54 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:34:22 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] soft top replacement instructions i once had a nice set of detailed instructions for changing the soft top but i seem to have lost them. i started this job at the weekend and it certainly takes time just to get the frame fitting well before even starting on fitting the new top. does anyone have this write up or otherwise any pearls of wisdom that may be beneficial? many thanks, - owain. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 17 10:45:01 2008 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: Tigers Den , Alpine Alley Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:44:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Classic Car Insurance for my Sunbeam... Hi all, I am looking at insurance for my Tiger... Anyone have any experience with Grundy or Heacock? www.grundy.com www.heacockclassic.com Thanks in advance, Paul _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life togetherat home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 17 11:01:49 2008 From: "Jim Parent" To: "'Paul R. Breuhan'" , "'Tigers Den'" Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:01:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Classic Car Insurance for my Sunbeam... In the United States, I assume? You might check out Hagerty also. www.hagerty.com Jim -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jparent4=tampabay.rr.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jparent4=tampabay.rr.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul R. Breuhan Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:45 PM To: Tigers Den; Alpine Alley Subject: [Tigers] Classic Car Insurance for my Sunbeam... Hi all, I am looking at insurance for my Tiger... Anyone have any experience with Grundy or Heacock? www.grundy.com www.heacockclassic.com Thanks in advance, Paul _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life togetherat home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ You are subscribed as jparent4@tampabay.rr.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 17 12:12:12 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: DJoh797014@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:12:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear License Display Dave, You don't have to drill holes in the rear of the deck lid, as they came with the holes and plate brackets, and the light shining on the plate, lenses pointing to the license. You have the holes, but sounds as if someone "decked" it. Rgds, Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com DJoh797014@aol.com wrote: > My MKIA has its rear plate under the bumper and with the light shining > down. > Who wants to drill holes in the boot lid for the plates? Not me. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Wed Sep 17 12:22:57 2008 From: Steve Laifman To: "Paul R. Breuhan" Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:22:43 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Classic Car Insurance for my Sunbeam... Paul, You must check the use limitations on these policies to assure you are covered for your usage. Many have yearly mileage limits. Some have restrictions on usage, such as only to and from car shows, or car maintenance. My son's Alpine was hit, and the insurance company would not authorize the cost of multiple bent body layers, as US cars do not have these complexities. He was totaled, and had to replace the body with another as the costs were way over the replacement. Read the fine print. The LARGE print giveth, and the small print taketh away. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Paul R. Breuhan wrote: > Yes I am in the U.S. > > I am just exploring all my options. Hagerty is more expensive. > > Paul _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 18 08:04:00 2008 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:03:21 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeams in Maine Event For the past few years, Dexter Polistock and I have hosted a get-together for Sunbeams in the Maine area on Columbus Day weekend. Although TE/AE is having their United the same weekend this year in Washington, DC, we believe that we are far enough away so as not to cause a major conflict. It is also difficult to move our event because of the linking of it to a major car show at the Owls Head Transportation Museum. That having been said, our event is planned for October 11 and 12 in Midcoast Maine. We are planning to have a two part gathering on Saturday at both Dexter's cottage on the ocean and at my house later for a cookout, separated by a scenic tour of some local area spots of interest. On Sunday, we will gather again at the Owls Head annual Foreign Car Show. For more info, please contact me. If anyone here is a member of the Alpines List, I would appreciate it if you could forward this message. Thanks, Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 18 10:19:24 2008 From: "Steinman, Bill" To: Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:16:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Fuel pump breather tubes Howdy all: In my continuing effort to return my Tiger's fuel delivery system to original (well, except for the carburator, but that's a different story), does anyone have photos for how the breather tubes run on an original Lucas fuel pump on a Mk I? Thanks! B. Bill S. 2005 Lotus Elise 1968 Triumph TR-250 1968 MGC Tourer 1965 Sunbeam Tiger 1959 Austin Healey 3000 1971 Triumph TR-6 (girlfriend's car) Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows... 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 18 12:14:19 2008 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: Tigers Den Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:06:07 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] =?windows-1256?q?Classic_Insurance_for_my_Sunbeam=2E=2E?= First off thanks for everyone's voice on this. Several people have mentioned value (such as Agreed Value), and I got into a discussion with one of the insurance companies about the value of Tigers. They thought $25,000 seemed high...I thought it seemed low. This has got my curiosity going...and I know this is a very subjective topic. Avoiding the junk/rough/project cars...what is the going rate for a restored stock Tiger? and what about a nicely finished modified Tiger? Any recent buyers or sellers want to fess up to how much them sold or bought their Tigers for? Also we see the cars on Ebay...are those a good representation of the going rate? or high? or low? Other than opinions is there a place to find concrete numbers? Where do insurance companies get their numbers? Thanks again, Paul _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 18 12:43:23 2008 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: prbreuhan@hotmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:42:51 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] My car is very stock, but with a 302 and 5 speed. I just raised the insurance from $25,000 to $35,000. I told my agent that if he needed documentation of recent sales that I could come up with something. He said wait and see, the company used some kind of book price. Anyway, they raised it to $35,000 without question. Mark **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 18 12:51:20 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:51:01 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] issues with tapping the oil filter lines i run an oil filter in the wheel arch with -8AN hose to a block adapter. i'm trying to find an easy place to mount an oil temperature sender and i'm wondering if i could just put a fuel pressure gauge adapter between the oil block adapter and the hose end. i'm thinking of something like this: http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=RUS-670350 and then just screwing the oil temp sender (which looks like this: http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=ATM-2253) into that. any potential issues with impeding the flow of oil do you think? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 18 15:45:19 2008 From: To: "Paul R. Breuhan" Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:44:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Classic_Insurance_for_my_Sunbeam=2E=2E=2E?= I bought a car in the last month. If you go to the thread below my car is the red one in the three pictures. I paid less than this for it but I have it with Hagerty at agreed value of $42K. It needs a paint job, despite looking pretty good in the pics. I used these pictures to send to Hagerty. They said nothing about my request for the $42K. Steve R http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f162/sunbeam-tiger-update-60156/ ---- "Paul R. Breuhan" wrote: > First off thanks for everyone's voice on this. > > Several people have mentioned value (such as Agreed Value), and I got into a discussion with one of the insurance companies about the value of Tigers. They thought $25,000 seemed high...I thought it seemed low. > > This has got my curiosity going...and I know this is a very subjective topic. > > Avoiding the junk/rough/project cars...what is the going rate for a restored stock Tiger? and what about a nicely finished modified Tiger? > > Any recent buyers or sellers want to fess up to how much them sold or bought their Tigers for? > > Also we see the cars on Ebay...are those a good representation of the going rate? or high? or low? > > Other than opinions is there a place to find concrete numbers? > > Where do insurance companies get their numbers? > > Thanks again, > Paul > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten@ca.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 18 15:53:40 2008 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: sralsten@ca.rr.com, prbreuhan@hotmail.com, WHIZZZBANG13@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:53:19 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Classic Insurance for my Sunbeam...?Tiger Values? I increased the coverage on my MKI a couple years ago from $16,000 to $24,000 with no problems. The insurance company just wanted photos of the car - sides, front, rear and glass. Maximum coverage, $0 deductible on collision, agreed value $24,000. Premium is $168.00 per year. Insurance company is MetLife Auto & Home. The agent is Condon & Skelly located in Maple Shade, NJ. Fred Baum **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 18 16:31:18 2008 From: Steve Sage To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:31:08 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Classic Insurance for my Sunbeam...?Tiger Values? FHSLOTH13@aol.com wrote: > I increased the coverage on my MKI a couple years ago from $16,000 to > $24,000 with no problems. I've got my 66 MK1A (above average, not concours) insured for $40,000 with Auto Owner's Insurance. Full coverage, $100,000/300,000 liability, $500 deductible, no mileage limitation since it's my every day car. Costs me about $450 a year here in the desert in Arizona. The real test of an insurance company is when you make a claim. Someone backed into the Tiger last year with moderate damage. I was going to take it to a local body shop but the claims agent said he didn't think that was a good idea, and he suggested I find a custom shop that's more used to rare cars to make the repairs. I did, and even though they were a lot more expensive than the shop I was originally going to take it to, Auto Owner's paid immediately, with no problem whatsoever. Imagine my good surprise a couple of months later when the agent called me up to let me know he was sending me back the $500 deductible I had paid. The other guy's insurance company admitted that it was their guy's fault. Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10720e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 18 17:45:00 2008 From: To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:44:49 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Another place to look for parts I just ran across this seeming new website while visting the STOC.UK message board. http://tigerbits.org/ Steve R _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 18 18:14:26 2008 From: "Duke Samouce" To: , , , Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:14:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Classic Insurance for my Sunbeam...?Tiger Values? Mine is insures with Grundy's for and agreed value of $35K. 0 deductable and it is $225 a year. I will increase that to at least $40K in Jan. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of FHSLOTH13@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 4:53 PM To: sralsten@ca.rr.com; prbreuhan@hotmail.com; WHIZZZBANG13@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Classic Insurance for my Sunbeam...?Tiger Values? I increased the coverage on my MKI a couple years ago from $16,000 to $24,000 with no problems. The insurance company just wanted photos of the car - sides, front, rear and glass. Maximum coverage, $0 deductible on collision, agreed value $24,000. Premium is $168.00 per year. Insurance company is MetLife Auto & Home. The agent is Condon & Skelly located in Maple Shade, NJ. Fred Baum **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) You are subscribed as wsamouce@kc.rr.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Thu Sep 18 22:13:20 2008 From: "Cliff Alexander" To: "CoolVT@aol.com" Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:12:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Classic Insurance for my Sunbeam.. =?wind... Very interesting your car sounds close to mine, which insurance company are you using? Thanks Cliff On 9/18/08, CoolVT@aol.com wrote: > > My car is very stock, but with a 302 and 5 speed. I just raised the > insurance from $25,000 to $35,000. I told my agent that if he > needed documentation > of recent sales that I could come up with something. He said wait and > see, > the company used some kind of book price. Anyway, they raised it to > $35,000 > without question. > Mark > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mk1a67@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 19 04:57:34 2008 From: "Jim Parent" To: "'Duke Samouce'" , , Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:52:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Classic Insurance for my Sunbeam...?Tiger Values? Can someone comment on the driving restrictions that the specialized insurance companies require? To and from events only? Weekends? 58 miles per month? Thanks, Jim ------------------------- Mine is insures with Grundy's for and agreed value of $35K. 0 deductable and it is $225 a year. I will increase that to at least $40K in Jan. Duke B382002037 -- Maximum coverage, $0 deductible on collision, agreed value $24,000. Premium is $168.00 per year. Insurance company is MetLife Auto & Home. The agent is Condon & Skelly located in Maple Shade, NJ. Fred Baum _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 19 05:43:40 2008 From: "steve wick" To: "'Duke Samouce'" , , Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 04:39:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Classic Insurance for my Sunbeam...?Tiger Values? I have Hagerty and it's 2K miles per year for events (cruises, shows, etc.) and 2K miles per year for pleasure. Up here with 4+ months of snow, I do fine as long as I don't use it to drive to work. Steve (in N.Id.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Parent To: 'Duke Samouce' ; FHSLOTH13@aol.com ; sralsten@ca.rr.com ; prbreuhan@hotmail.com ; WHIZZZBANG13@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 3:52 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Classic Insurance for my Sunbeam...?Tiger Values? Can someone comment on the driving restrictions that the specialized insurance companies require? To and from events only? Weekends? 58 miles per month? Thanks, Jim ------------------------- Mine is insures with Grundy's for and agreed value of $35K. 0 deductable and it is $225 a year. I will increase that to at least $40K in Jan. Duke B382002037 -- Maximum coverage, $0 deductible on collision, agreed value $24,000. Premium is $168.00 per year. Insurance company is MetLife Auto & Home. The agent is Condon & Skelly located in Maple Shade, NJ. Fred Baum _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as srwick@hotmail.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 19 07:02:02 2008 From: Carmods@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:01:04 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Hot Ignition Last Sunday I drove my Tiger home from a show in a driving rain storm with the head lights, wipers and heater blower running. When I got home and turned off the ignition I noticed the switch and key were hot. I've never noticed that before, so my question is, is that normal or is the ignition switch about to fail? John Logan **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 19 07:17:28 2008 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:17:17 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hot Ignition Steve Sage had that happen to him. Check all your spade connections on the back of the switch to see if any are loose. If not, then the contacts inside are in poor enough shape that they can't pass all the current required by the ignition, wipers and heater... I'm wiring my Tiger with a Painless auxiliary fuse panel (3 unswitched and 4 switched) where a 30 amp relay takes all the high-current load and the ignition switch just closes the relay coil. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net > ] On Behalf Of Carmods@aol.com > Sent: September 19, 2008 7:01 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Hot Ignition > > Last Sunday I drove my Tiger home from a show in a driving > rain storm with the head lights, wipers and heater blower > running. When I got home and turned off the ignition I > noticed the switch and key were hot. I've never noticed that > before, so my question is, is that normal or is the ignition > switch about to fail? > > John Logan > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life > financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest > news and information, tips and > calculators. > (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as theo.smit@dynastream.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 19 07:25:21 2008 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:20:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Classic Car Insurance My Tiger is still a project, so its insured value is much lower at the moment....but I do have 2 cars insured with a company call Condon and Skelley, and its similar to what you all are talking about. Its stated value, stated mileage. I have one that I have stated at 35k, to be driven less than 2500 miles a year, full coverage, comprehensive...and the cost is very reasonable. They have never disputed or questioned my stated value on what I was submitting for coverage. http://www.condonskelly.com/ ...regarding Tiger values, I watch selling prices as often as I can in reasonable atmospheres...not really ebay and barrett Jackson, because IMO these are not accurately reflective of the market value...but more like cars that sell and are negotiated from craigslist, classic car trader, hemmings, etc...and friends that sell cars, trying to get an average idea of selling prices...and I have been thinking that nice restored Tiger Mk1 and 1a drivers are 30-40k, and it seems that MkII's are about a 1/2 again more (?) like 65 ish? I have less of an idea about the MkII's...... CM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 19 07:25:33 2008 From: Carmods@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:25:06 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Cruise To those who live within driving distance of Ann Arbor Michigan, there is going to be a Sunbeam cruise on Sunday September 28,2008. We will meet at 10:00 AM at Post "K" in the Meijer shopping center located at 3145 Ann Arbor-Saline Rd Ann Arbor, MI. That is just South of the 175 exit of I-94. The final destination is lunch at Bakers in Milford MI. **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 19 08:18:18 2008 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Smit, Theo" Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:18:10 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hot Ignition yes, i run most stuff unswitched (and fused). the only switched stuff i have goes through a relay. i don't the idea of putting a lot or current through switches. it just doesn't make any sense. all i have now is headlights running through the switch but i have that fuse too (since last week!) On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > Steve Sage had that happen to him. Check all your spade connections on > the back of the switch to see if any are loose. If not, then the > contacts inside are in poor enough shape that they can't pass all the > current required by the ignition, wipers and heater... I'm wiring my > Tiger with a Painless auxiliary fuse panel (3 unswitched and 4 switched) > where a 30 amp relay takes all the high-current load and the ignition > switch just closes the relay coil. > > Theo > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net >> [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com@autox.team.net >> ] On Behalf Of Carmods@aol.com >> Sent: September 19, 2008 7:01 AM >> To: tigers@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Tigers] Hot Ignition >> >> Last Sunday I drove my Tiger home from a show in a driving >> rain storm with the head lights, wipers and heater blower >> running. When I got home and turned off the ignition I >> noticed the switch and key were hot. I've never noticed that >> before, so my question is, is that normal or is the ignition >> switch about to fail? >> >> John Logan >> >> >> >> **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life >> financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest >> news and information, tips and >> calculators. >> (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as theo.smit@dynastream.com >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 19 08:55:57 2008 From: "RObin Young" To: "'Jim Parent'" Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:50:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Classic Insurance for my Sunbeam...?Tiger Values? I have been with Heacock for four years. The agreed value (suggested by Heacock) is 40,000. the allowed use is 3,000 miles a year for shows, maintenance and occasional cruising. By the way, Heacock sponsors a first class car show in October every year in Lakeland Florida in October. Robin Young Can someone comment on the driving restrictions that the specialized insurance companies require? To and from events only? Weekends? 58 miles per month? Thanks, Jim _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces+mharc=autox.team.net@autox.team.net Fri Sep 19 09:26:50 2008 From: WHIZZZBANG13@aol.com To: sralsten@ca.rr.com, Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:23:51 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another place to look for parts In a message dated 9/18/2008 7:45:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sralsten@ca.rr.com writes: http://tigerbits.org/ Make that _www.tigerbits.org_ (http://www.tigerbits.org) and it works. Fred Baum **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NC