From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 1 07:25:26 2009 From: Larry Paulick To: "James E. Pickard" Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 09:24:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Multiple questions Jim, like all of Tom's parts, it is a quality part, and it works. I used it and its nice to be able to adjust it later if needed, as opposed to the wedges, which I still have, which compress after years of pressure. Larry James E. Pickard wrote: > Can someone tell me about this WS58 part Rick offers? I talked to > Rick some time ago about replacing the wedges under the windshield, as > mine are in pieces. He said they were not available and never > mentioned this part. I tried to call him today, but he is apparently > closed for New Years. > > Jim > > P.S. Happy New Year to everyone who helps keep Tigger purring. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Hall" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 5:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Multiple questions > > >> At 03:05 PM 12/30/2008, you wrote: >> ... >>> From what I have read there is a set of wedges to set the angle of >>> the >>> frame to the vent frame. Maybe someone else can elaborate on this. >> >> Use the WS58 adjustable nuts from Rick to set and hold the windshield >> angle. >> >> Tom Hall >> ModTiger Engineering LLC >> www.tigerengineering.net >> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 1 12:29:30 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: CMeinel464@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net, Alpines@autox.team.net, Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:24:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Alpines] Happy New Year AND to any ROOTES owner- HNY. EVERYONE TonytheTiger --- On Thu, 1/1/09, CANISDOG@aol.com wrote: > From: CANISDOG@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Alpines] Happy New Year > To: CMeinel464@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net, Alpines@autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 9:59 AM > What he meant to say was all "Alpine and Tiger" > owners. > > :) > > Happy NY > > > In a message dated 1/1/2009 4:50:52 A.M. Pacific Standard > Time, > CMeinel464@aol.com writes: > > To all Tiger & Alpine Owners, > > Happy new Year............. > > Curt & Patti Meinel > > > > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know > what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Alpines@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/alpines > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 1 19:08:23 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:07:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water pump I have not seen a reply for this one so I will put in a couple of cents worth. Original Aluminum water pump part number is C4JE-8501-A; the impellor is C4OZ-8512-B. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/2-AF-EngineMoto r.pdf Sunbeam Specialties does list aluminum water pumps, no other details listed; TM32. I purchased a Motorsport impellor M-8512-A302, it is suppose to have high efficiency vanes that reduce cavitation at high RPM, and I made it fit my aluminum water pump. The impellor snout had to be machined back to the same length as the original; not sure if anything else was done. The position of the fan hub is unique to the Tiger so you have to get everything pressed back to the correct point; other information on the water pump is in the Tiger Shop Manual. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Pld767@aol.com Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 12:38 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Water pump Anyone know where to get the stock vane aluminum water pump mentioned in cooling article? All I can find is the paddle type. B382000002 **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 025) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1864 - Release Date: 12/25/2008 9:40 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 2 06:03:05 2009 From: Paul R Sheahan To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 05:02:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] TAC Event January 3rd 2009 South Florida Tiger Owners, All is a go for the TAC Event tomorrow. Even if you don't have a car to be TAC'd come out and meet some of the local owners. The directions are as follows: The facility is located at 19580 South Tamiami Trail, Ft. Myers, Florida 33908. Take Interstate 75 to exit 128 Alico Road. Turn west to Highway 41. At Highway 41 turn left. Go about 3 miles and the faciltiy is on the left. The entry code is 7021# followed by 18697*. If you have any questions or problems, my cell phone number is 704 564 3831. Note the corrected cell phone number. It is terrible getting old....the mind is the first to go. Come on out, the weather is great and we expect to have several cars on hand including my South African Tiger. See you there. Paul Paul R Sheahan _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 2 09:58:10 2009 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:57:38 EST Subject: [Tigers] Hard top restoration Hello and happy 2009 ! Gary Fish and I are going to restore our hard tops. In anticipation of this, I've a few questions: 1) we already have the glass side windows in hand and I'm wondering if anyone knows the hot setup in removing the side window toggle catch fixing screws out cleanly (so they can be reused. Now unavailable) 2) though I own an Alpine parts manual and have copied the appropriate sections with parts list and images, is there an Alpine parts list on the web so I can "play" with the images? 3) I remember years ago that someone used a glass window in the rear instead of the plexi. Any comments? Any personal experiences? Memory says it was cut from a Nova or Chevy 11 front windshield. Or was it just too darn heavy? 4) I noticed the front toggles for both the hardtop and soft-top are the same. My hardtop toggles are really in need of plating. Did anyone ever sell these aftermarket or will I have to bite the bullet and go the re-chrome route? 5) Any words of advise in general or warnings of pitfalls? Best regards, Jim Armstrong **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 2 10:21:14 2009 From: "Alvin Johnson" To: , Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:21:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hard top restoration The rear side window fasteners are identical to those found on Triumph Spitfire fastbacks. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 2 11:53:44 2009 From: To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:53:04 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Cash for Clunkers I ran into this at the Cars and Coffee website. I first thought it a joke bon'tut now don't think so. A program encouraging people to turn over "old clunkers" for a few dollars could be a real problem. No more barn finds ? Increased shortage of parts ? Anyway, heres a link to more info to do with as you see fit. http://www.carsandcoffee.info/forum/showthread.php?t=6047 Steve R B9473720 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 2 12:11:35 2009 From: Jeff Howarth To: sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:59:19 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cash for Clunkers steve, as an example, it might be a shame if a garage like this one was cleared out to the scrap metal dealers: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1103849/The-eccentric-uncle-left- garage--containing-6m-Bugatti-supercar.html this one is true and is going to auction soon ! regards Jeff n message <20090102185305.XN0UT.449546.root@cdptpa-web10-z01>, sralsten@ca.rr.com writes >I ran into this at the Cars and Coffee website. I first thought it a >joke bon'tut now don't think so. A program encouraging people to turn >over "old clunkers" for a few dollars could be a real problem. No more >barn finds ? Increased shortage of parts ? > >Anyway, heres a link to more info to do with as you see fit. > >http://www.carsandcoffee.info/forum/showthread.php?t=6047 > >Steve R >B9473720 >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > -- Jeff Howarth _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 2 12:35:59 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 11:36:12 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cash for Clunkers Yep, same thing over at FordPinto.Com . As best I can tell SEMA is concern that once there is a mass removal of older cars that the driving force behind "old car restoration" (the cars themselves) the need for products sold by SEMA members will diminish. At least as it relates to California and the smog laws here the effect would seem to be minimal. As one who frequents wrecking yards 1975 and older cars (the California "no smog" cut off year) represent maybe 2%-3% of the cars available. Most cars newer than this are not considered collector cars. So, anything newer would have to comply with smog laws and who really is selling "performance" stuff that doesn't have smog law ramifications for newer cars? They make the statement, "The programs also risk destroying classic, historic and special-interest vehicles, our American heritage." What post 1975 cars have any notoriety??? The Buick Grand National, Shelby Turbo 2.2 Chryslers. Maybe a few more, but the vast majority of older cars are just that - old cars. They have no historical value, would eventually wind up in a junk yard anyway and in the yard actually become a condensed source of parts. Finally California already offers a clunker car buy out. The car has to be: 1.. Is drivable and complete. Must be able to start, restart, move forward, and move backward. 2.. Is free of liens. 3.. Is currently registered and has been registered for the last two years in specific counties only and of certain years: South Coast AQMD: a.. $1000 for 1981 and older vehicles b.. $500 for 1982 - 1984 vehicles Bay Area AQMD a.. $750 for 1987 and older vehicles So, if the California Clunker Car deal is any model there is a lot more to it that one thinks. Anyway, I'm not a "Green Guy" and I'm not against SEMA. But, I do think you need to fight your battles properly. From my perspective it seems like more panic than needed. If I'm missing something, let me know. I'm willing to listen. Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1868 - Release Date: 12/29/2008 10:48 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 2 13:37:04 2009 From: drmayf To: sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 12:36:40 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cash for Clunkers It is actually worse than that. I get a SEMA action news letter and the new Congress coming in with the new Administration has a plan to do that nationally. It is the House that is pushing for this. The reasoning is that if they can pay people to get older cars off the streets, then more newer cars will be purchased, thusly helping the auto industry. Of course that helps to clean up the air as well, or so the reasoning goes. Auto enthusiasts are encouraged to send letters to their congressman, senators, VP, Pres, anybody who will listen indicating your displeasure with such a law. mayf sralsten@ca.rr.com wrote: >I ran into this at the Cars and Coffee website. I first thought it a joke bon'tut now don't think so. A program encouraging people to turn over "old clunkers" for a few dollars could be a real problem. No more barn finds ? Increased shortage of parts ? > >Anyway, heres a link to more info to do with as you see fit. > >http://www.carsandcoffee.info/forum/showthread.php?t=6047 > >Steve R >B9473720 >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 2 13:55:11 2009 From: "Curt" To: "Tiger List" Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:54:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hard top restoration I installed a glass rear window in my old Tiger. It was pretty heavy virtually ensuring the top removal / installation was a two person job. But it looked nice and I didn't have to worry about scratches. It was a front windshield from an early Nova, or so the person who sold it to me said. It was cut down to fit. The curvature was very close but not exact. I wrote a tech tip which is in the TEAE Survivor manual on how to install the glass. Pretty much like you would install the plexi as well. Curt Hoffman > 3) I remember years ago that someone used a glass window in the rear > instead > of the plexi. Any comments? > Any personal experiences? Memory says it was cut from a Nova or > Chevy > 11 front windshield. Or was > it just too darn heavy? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 2 15:32:54 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:32:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hard top restoration Jim The only online picture of the Hardtop is on TigersUnited,Shop Manual, body section, page 9. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmO9.asp I have yet to find the Alpine Parts Manual online; it would be a great addition to TigersUnited but someone needs the time and ambition to scan it. For the side window toggle catch screws; the manual does not spec out the type or thread of any of them. The screw through the plexi is tough; it seems to me I jammed a flat blade screwdriver between the screw head and the bracket and I was able to turn the button on the outside by hand. Maybe I was just luck here. You probably try this screw first to see if it will loosen, then proceed to the hardtop side. The 2 screws to the hardtop have a Phillips head and you need a screwdriver the really fits. I would give these screws a firm turn to see if they will move; if not give the screwdriver or a Phillips bit a hit with a hammer to see if that will shock the screws loose. Once they start to turn put some penetrating oil on and keep turning. I would look for stainless screws to replace these. Yes there are some articles about cutting a windshield down and using it as a rear glass but I thought one of the listers just made some rear glass or maybe he is still in the process. A. LEE FESTICH ALAN AUTO GLASS 599 S. BONNYWOOD PL. BURBANK, CA. 91502 818-845-7300 PHN 818-845-7355 FAX 818-464-5909 CEL AAAGLASSS@AOL.COM _http://alanautoglass.com_ (http://alanautoglass.com/) I have seen the front toggles listed on a couple of sites one of them is in the UK I believe. http://www.rootesparts.com/id103.htm Its in the chrome section, just scroll down. Also try Classic Sunbeam. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:58 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Cc: onegonefish@comcast.net Subject: [Tigers] Hard top restoration Hello and happy 2009 ! Gary Fish and I are going to restore our hard tops. In anticipation of this, I've a few questions: 1) we already have the glass side windows in hand and I'm wondering if anyone knows the hot setup in removing the side window toggle catch fixing screws out cleanly (so they can be reused. Now unavailable) 2) though I own an Alpine parts manual and have copied the appropriate sections with parts list and images, is there an Alpine parts list on the web so I can "play" with the images? 3) I remember years ago that someone used a glass window in the rear instead of the plexi. Any comments? Any personal experiences? Memory says it was cut from a Nova or Chevy 11 front windshield. Or was it just too darn heavy? 4) I noticed the front toggles for both the hardtop and soft-top are the same. My hardtop toggles are really in need of plating. Did anyone ever sell these aftermarket or will I have to bite the bullet and go the re-chrome route? 5) Any words of advise in general or warnings of pitfalls? Best regards, Jim Armstrong **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009 1:10 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 2 17:07:36 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: "'Tiger List'" Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:07:15 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Ford valve cover sticker. Wondering about the Ford sticker that was on the driver's side valve cover. If I remember correctly it is a small sticker that has the blue Ford oval and has made by Ford on it. Was this a correct item for the cars and if so, where can I get one? I am in the process of putting new chrome valve covers on my engine. I am also looking for someone who can do the correct number and letter stampings on the Sunbeam LTD decal. Thanks! Duke B328002037 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 2 18:58:48 2009 From: sjhcobra1@cs.com To: wsamouce@kc.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:58:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford valve cover sticker. Duke: You can get the Ford decal from Rick at Sunbeam Specialties or from National Parts Depot.? If you have a typewriter with a 10 or 12 pt font you may use it in the ribbonless mode to imprint the LTD decal or you can use hand numbering punches. Steve Halbrook -----Original Message----- From: Samouce's To: 'Tiger List' Sent: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 7:07 pm Subject: [Tigers] Ford valve cover sticker. Wondering about the Ford sticker that was on the driver's side valve cover. If I remember correctly it is a small sticker that has the blue Ford oval and has made by Ford on it. Was this a correct item for the cars and if so, where can I get one? I am in the process of putting new chrome valve covers on my engine. I am also looking for someone who can do the correct number and letter stampings on the Sunbeam LTD decal. Thanks! Duke B328002037 Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 3 07:23:26 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Samouce's'" , "'Tiger List'" Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:22:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford valve cover sticker. Duke Sunbeam Specialties list the Sunbeam LTD as ET104. I'm not sure anyone has the small Ford sticker. I did not have this sticker on my Tiger so I do not know what an original one really looks like. Maybe someone on the list has a source and will send it in. The Sunbeam LTD sticker on my Tiger is on the left side valve cover. Which valve cover the LTD sticker is on is one of those random things that happened at Ford, either side seems to be correct. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Samouce's Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 7:07 PM To: 'Tiger List' Subject: [Tigers] Ford valve cover sticker. Wondering about the Ford sticker that was on the driver's side valve cover. If I remember correctly it is a small sticker that has the blue Ford oval and has made by Ford on it. Was this a correct item for the cars and if so, where can I get one? I am in the process of putting new chrome valve covers on my engine. I am also looking for someone who can do the correct number and letter stampings on the Sunbeam LTD decal. Thanks! Duke B328002037 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009 1:10 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 3 08:13:10 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , , Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:12:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford valve cover sticker. Steve I like that idea. I just tried a couple of typewriters on a sheet of aluminum foil and the results on one looks very close. I also tried this with a piece of heavy paper behind the foil and I got an even deeper impression. I have not replaced my LTD sticker but this is a great tip; if I ever get to that point. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sjhcobra1@cs.com Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:58 PM To: wsamouce@kc.rr.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford valve cover sticker. Duke: You can get the Ford decal from Rick at Sunbeam Specialties or from National Parts Depot.? If you have a typewriter with a 10 or 12 pt font you may use it in the ribbonless mode to imprint the LTD decal or you can use hand numbering punches. Steve Halbrook _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 3 08:15:09 2009 From: "Will Seay" To: , Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:14:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hard top restoration Jim, Repros of the hardtop toggles are available from Rootes (post vintage) Parts Service (NL). Try them at http://www.rootesparts.com/id103.htm Good luck on the restoration. -Will B382001570 ____________________________ Will Seay wseay@embarqmail.com ----- Original Message ----- ... 4) I noticed the front toggles for both the hardtop and soft-top are the same. My hardtop toggles are really in need of plating. Did anyone ever sell these aftermarket or will I have to bite the bullet and go the re-chrome route? Best regards, Jim Armstrong _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 3 08:49:17 2009 From: Dave Munroe To: Will Seay , Rollright@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 11:48:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hard top restoration Will; Thanks for this great link. I was unaware of this source for parts. Chers, Dave 382000450 > Jim, > > Repros of the hardtop toggles are available from Rootes (post vintage) > Parts > Service (NL). Try them at http://www.rootesparts.com/id103.htm > > Good luck on the restoration. > > -Will B382001570 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 3 09:34:21 2009 From: "Lon" To: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:33:41 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Clunkers Have to disagree with this clunker argument. For those of us old enough to drive our beasts in the 60's, what were clunkers and subject to indiscriminate crushing? Same thing in the 50's and 40's. Each generation redefined a clunker, vs, collector car. Granted, a Pebble Beach restoration of a Chrysler K car is not on my bucket list, but in twenty years when the company is a shadow of itself, who's to say now what is valuable? I think we missed the mark putting our own nostalgia visions on the whole idea of defining clunker. Tell me anyone who thought a horrifically assembled Barracuda with a Hemi would be worth over a million 30 years later? Lon _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 3 11:21:20 2009 From: Mike Rapoza To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:20:47 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Master replacement Hello all, First off Happy New Year to everyone in the Sunbeam community. Long time lurker, first time seeking help from the list. I've always managed to find what I've needed thru Tigers United,(thanks Steve) or the Cat shop manuals, or from folks that I've met at various shows... but I'm a little stumped on this one. so...just checked the fluid in the clutch master and it was empty!! Well I found it on the floor soaked up in the insulation under the carpet. Bought the rebuild kit from Rick @ SS, got it apart, all cleaned up, ready to install, when I took a look at the Rootes Manual, just for self insurance and it shows a part #3, "packing piece". Well... I didn't take that off the car when dismantilling the master unit.. I went back to my "box of spare parts", and low and behold, there is a piece that matched item #3... So my question is, (finally)) if my clutch worked (prior to leaking) just fine without this in place, do I need to install it?? It almost seems that it will take up some of the travel of the clutch pedal (the throw)?? Also, in the rebuild kit, there is a new rubber boot, what is the "right" way to get the old one off, when the washer on the plunger is "fixed"?? BTW.. I cut it, put the new piece on, then welded the washer, grinded it, now its just like new.... Mike R. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 3 11:22:49 2009 From: "James E. Pickard" To: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 12:22:07 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Need a trunk photo The painters took the trunk springs off when they painted the car and I have no idea how they were installed. Could someone kindly e-mail me a photo? Thanks! Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 3 12:45:52 2009 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Mike Rapoza" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:27:17 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch Master replacement If you don't care about originality, the tilton 74 series master cylinder is a cheap replacement. Available from most places including summit. The tilton pushrod is too long and needs to have the thread cut longer and then be cut off shorter (in that order to get a good thread), or you can reuse the current pushrod in the new tilton MC. 5/8" bore for a squiggy pedal or 3/4 for a little stiffer and shorter pedal. (I prefer 3/4 with my centerforce clutch). On 1/3/09, Mike Rapoza wrote: > Hello all, > First off Happy New Year to everyone in the > Sunbeam community. Long time lurker, first time > seeking help from the list. I've always managed to find > what I've needed thru Tigers United,(thanks Steve) or the Cat > shop manuals, or from folks that I've met at various shows... > but I'm a little stumped on this one. > so...just checked the fluid in the clutch master and it was empty!! > Well I found it on the floor soaked up in the insulation under the > carpet. > Bought the rebuild kit from Rick @ SS, got it apart, all cleaned up, > ready to > install, when I took a look at the Rootes Manual, just for self > insurance > and it shows a part #3, "packing piece". Well... I didn't take that > off the car > when dismantilling the master unit.. I went back to my "box of spare > parts", > and low and behold, there is a piece that matched item #3... > So my question is, (finally)) if my clutch worked (prior to leaking) > just fine > without this in place, do I need to install it?? It almost seems that > it will take > up some of the travel of the clutch pedal (the throw)?? > Also, in the rebuild kit, there is a new rubber boot, what is the > "right" way > to get the old one off, when the washer on the plunger is "fixed"?? > BTW.. I cut it, put the new piece on, then welded the washer, grinded > it, > now its just like new.... > Mike R. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 3 12:49:32 2009 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Mike Rapoza" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:32:17 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch Master replacement Sorry, didn't really read your whole post! The spacer just moves the pushrod and hence pedal back, into the firewall. Without the spacer, the clutch pedal would be higher. Maybe a previous owner damaged the thread on the pushrod and had to shorten it (or altered the pedal tab somehow). Try it with and without and see what you prefer.... On 1/3/09, Owain Lloyd wrote: > If you don't care about originality, the tilton 74 series master > cylinder is a cheap replacement. Available from most places including > summit. The tilton pushrod is too long and needs to have the thread > cut longer and then be cut off shorter (in that order to get a good > thread), or you can reuse the current pushrod in the new tilton MC. > 5/8" bore for a squiggy pedal or 3/4 for a little stiffer and shorter > pedal. (I prefer 3/4 with my centerforce clutch). > > On 1/3/09, Mike Rapoza wrote: >> Hello all, >> First off Happy New Year to everyone in the >> Sunbeam community. Long time lurker, first time >> seeking help from the list. I've always managed to find >> what I've needed thru Tigers United,(thanks Steve) or the Cat >> shop manuals, or from folks that I've met at various shows... >> but I'm a little stumped on this one. >> so...just checked the fluid in the clutch master and it was empty!! >> Well I found it on the floor soaked up in the insulation under the >> carpet. >> Bought the rebuild kit from Rick @ SS, got it apart, all cleaned up, >> ready to >> install, when I took a look at the Rootes Manual, just for self >> insurance >> and it shows a part #3, "packing piece". Well... I didn't take that >> off the car >> when dismantilling the master unit.. I went back to my "box of spare >> parts", >> and low and behold, there is a piece that matched item #3... >> So my question is, (finally)) if my clutch worked (prior to leaking) >> just fine >> without this in place, do I need to install it?? It almost seems that >> it will take >> up some of the travel of the clutch pedal (the throw)?? >> Also, in the rebuild kit, there is a new rubber boot, what is the >> "right" way >> to get the old one off, when the washer on the plunger is "fixed"?? >> BTW.. I cut it, put the new piece on, then welded the washer, grinded >> it, >> now its just like new.... >> Mike R. >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 3 13:19:21 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Mike Rapoza'" , Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:18:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch Master replacement Mike Welcome to the list. I have that part on my Clutch Master and I have no problem with the clutch. A similar part is also on my the Brake Master. If you are not convinced you could try a couple of spacers or sets of washers under the Clutch Master to check and then install that part when you're satisfied it still functions correctly. OK, I have not worked on the Clutch Master in what seems forever but here is what I recall. Strange as it might seem that rubber boot will stretch around that washer if the rubber is in good shape. You definitely need grease to lube the rubber and you need to slowly work the rubber around the washer starting at one point and gradually working the edge around. Has anyone recently done this and can shed so more light in the subject? Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Rapoza Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 1:21 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Master replacement Hello all, First off Happy New Year to everyone in the Sunbeam community. Long time lurker, first time seeking help from the list. I've always managed to find what I've needed thru Tigers United,(thanks Steve) or the Cat shop manuals, or from folks that I've met at various shows... but I'm a little stumped on this one. so...just checked the fluid in the clutch master and it was empty!! Well I found it on the floor soaked up in the insulation under the carpet. Bought the rebuild kit from Rick @ SS, got it apart, all cleaned up, ready to install, when I took a look at the Rootes Manual, just for self insurance and it shows a part #3, "packing piece". Well... I didn't take that off the car when dismantilling the master unit.. I went back to my "box of spare parts", and low and behold, there is a piece that matched item #3... So my question is, (finally)) if my clutch worked (prior to leaking) just fine without this in place, do I need to install it?? It almost seems that it will take up some of the travel of the clutch pedal (the throw)?? Also, in the rebuild kit, there is a new rubber boot, what is the "right" way to get the old one off, when the washer on the plunger is "fixed"?? BTW.. I cut it, put the new piece on, then welded the washer, grinded it, now its just like new.... Mike R. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009 1:10 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 3 18:00:25 2009 From: sjhcobra1@cs.com To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, wsamouce@kc.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:59:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford valve cover sticker. Thanks, Ron. I've gotten many great tips from you in the past.? I'm glad to have offered something of benefit to?you. Steve Halbrook -----Original Message----- From: Ron Fraser To: sjhcobra1@cs.com; wsamouce@kc.rr.com; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:12 am Subject: RE: [Tigers] Ford valve cover sticker. Steve I like that idea. I just tried a couple of typewriters on a sheet of aluminum foil and the results on one looks very close. I also tried this with a piece of heavy paper behind the foil and I got an even deeper impression. I have not replaced my LTD sticker but this is a great tip; if I ever get to that point. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sjhcobra1@cs.com Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:58 PM To: wsamouce@kc.rr.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford valve cover sticker. Duke: You can get the Ford decal from Rick at Sunbeam Specialties or from National Parts Depot.? If you have a typewriter with a 10 or 12 pt font you may use it in the ribbonless mode to imprint the LTD decal or you can use hand numbering punches. Steve Halbrook ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 3 18:13:07 2009 From: sjhcobra1@cs.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:12:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Additional characters inserted in e-mails to the group Has anyone else had trouble with question marks being inserted into their e-mails?? I have had several e-mails where "?" were inserted that I didn't type.? Help.... Steve Halbrook________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 4 07:02:53 2009 From: Carmods@aol.com To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:02:22 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch Master replacement rfraser@bluefrog.com writes: Strange as it might seem that rubber boot will stretch around that washer if the rubber is in good shape. You definitely need grease to lube the rubber and you need to slowly work the rubber around the washer starting at one point and gradually working the edge around. Has anyone recently done this and can shed so more light in the subject? Yes Ron, I put one of those on a few months ago. I would like to add one tip that helps. Heat the washer up with hot water before applying the lubricant. This temporarily softens the rubber so that it will stretch easier. John Logan **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 4 07:38:10 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , , Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:37:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford valve cover sticker. Thank you Steve A Google check about type size yields 1 pt. = 1/72" approximately. My type is definitely smaller, somewhere around 8 pt. The type on the sticker seems to be somewhere around 12 pt. So how many typewriters does the list have with 12 pt type or something close to that type style and size on the sticker? Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: sjhcobra1@cs.com [mailto:sjhcobra1@cs.com] Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:00 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; wsamouce@kc.rr.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford valve cover sticker. Thanks, Ron. I've gotten many great tips from you in the past. I'm glad to have offered something of benefit to you. Steve Halbrook _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 4 08:02:14 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, Sjhcobra1@cs.com, wsamouce@kc.rr.com, Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:03:37 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford valve cover sticker. The 25 year old "Brother" typewriter that I have has 3 or 4 different pin wheels. Each has a different sized or styled type. I believe the IBM electric's of the same vintage had interchangeable " balls" that had different type size/styles. Seems the secret is to find a business that never threw out the old typewriters. Actually there were some Federal forms that some offices had to complete and were still using a typewriter without a ribbon so it could type through 8 carboned copies at a time. This was only about 5 years ago that friend told me she was doing this. So, there might be some around. Mark **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 4 08:32:51 2009 From: "Alvin Johnson" To: "Tiger List" Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:32:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Combatting Rust I've been doing a bit of research lately, and have come up w/an alternative to POR15 called "Chassis Saver". Saw Stacy David use it on "Gearz" on a real rust bucket and it seems like an easy application & a way to go. Anyone had any experience w/it? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 4 10:37:34 2009 From: Cushcom1@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 12:37:02 EST Subject: [Tigers] VALVE COVERS NEEDED Hey, listers, I am searching for a pair of original style, correct aluminum valve covers for my 1966 Mk1A. THANKS FROM THE TIGERMAN **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 4 12:00:27 2009 From: "William Lau" To: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 12:59:39 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] FW: renewed Federal Vehicle Scrappage Program Whether a person is happy with this or not, why is it the Federal Government that always wants to tell us how to live our lives and spend our money. Go back in history and find out what the founding fathers wanted the Feds to do and not do. (as a side note the message sent to Pelosi by me came back undeliverable)-- Bill -- Click here: Urgent Action Alert: Oppose Federal Vehicle Scrappage Program http://echo.bluehornet.com/hostedemail/email.htm?h=806e15da636b16bd7beec785c f5ae8d8&CID=1423153995&ch=CA07F66BE36FEBE034C311FACD6D7EC6 This was an alert sent to the Hillman Group from the Elderly Iron Website ... thestaff@elderlyiron.com Just as in the 1990's, the Feds are trying to decide what cars we can have and cannot have. Please take a couple of minutes to go here and send an email to Pelosi et al. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 4 12:18:45 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 11:18:26 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford valve cover sticker. Ron, Typewriter? Isn't that something like a computer printer, that has a keyboard but no software? Anyway, I did own the upright Underwood, and a "luggable" smaller typewriter, but the best was the IBM Selectronic, with the "bouncing ball". Various typing balls could be purchased in lots of type size and font designs. 12 point was very available, then. Typewriter repair shops may just have one in their inventory. Unless you know of someone that still has one that is operating, you are stuck with type-face punches. I presume the thousands of type faces for computer display and printing would depend on your fondness for non-indenting ink, or laser powder. Presumably a supplier of metal labels for collectibles would have some for the 100 point classics. A thought. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Ron Fraser wrote: > Thank you Steve > A Google check about type size yields 1 pt. = 1/72" approximately. > > My type is definitely smaller, somewhere around 8 pt. > > The type on the sticker seems to be somewhere around 12 pt. > > So how many typewriters does the list have with 12 pt type or something > close to that type style and size on the sticker? > > Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 4 12:31:35 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:31:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] VALVE COVERS NEEDED Tigerman The LAT - 8 aluminum valve covers are available at Sunbeam Specialties. Made from the original tooling according to the description. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cushcom1@aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:37 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] VALVE COVERS NEEDED Hey, listers, I am searching for a pair of original style, correct aluminum valve covers for my 1966 Mk1A. THANKS FROM THE TIGERMAN **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1873 - Release Date: 1/3/2009 2:14 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 4 12:41:48 2009 From: Marc James Small To: CoolVT@aol.com,rfraser@bluefrog.com,Sjhcobra1@cs.com,wsamouce@kc.rr.com, Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:34:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford valve cover sticker. At 10:03 AM 1/4/2009, CoolVT@aol.com wrote: >The 25 year old "Brother" typewriter that I have has 3 or 4 different pin >wheels. Each has a different sized or styled type. I believe the IBM >electric's of the same vintage had interchangeable " balls" that had >different type >size/styles. >Seems the secret is to find a business that never threw out the old >typewriters. Actually there were some Federal forms that some >offices had to >complete and were still using a typewriter without a ribbon so it could type >through 8 carboned copies at a time. This was only about 5 years ago >that friend >told me she was doing this. So, there might be some around. If the truth be told, the basic IBM Selectric was only produced to use elite (10-pitch) or pica (12-pitch) type, though they also made a rather rare Selectric Compositor which would be the beast you would need, and I would suggest that these would best be found in a publishing firm where they were used in producing magazines and the like. The later IBM Wheelwriter was both delightfully simpler and more utile and did allow for a broader range of type sizes. I still have a Greek pica ball for a Selectric and a Wheelwriter with a couple of oddball fonts. But, in the end, you need a compositor of some sort to provide the font you would need. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 4 14:15:29 2009 From: "Joe Brown" To: "'Tiger List'" Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:14:56 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Alpine Parts Manual Hey, I have a copy of the Tiger parts list (from Tigers United) that is supposed to be a supplement to the Alpine parts manual. Is there an online copy of the Alpine parts manual out there somewhere? In the Tiger manual, when you get to the section that covers the front suspension, there is no drawing and just a few parts listed. So I assume that there is an Alpine manual with a drawing and parts list. Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 4 14:31:24 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Joe Brown'" , "'Tiger List'" Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:30:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine Parts Manual Joe Correct about the Alpine Parts List. I have yet to see one listed online. You can find some exploded views of the front suspension on the TigersUnited web site in the Shop Manuel. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmF11.asp Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Brown Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 4:15 PM To: 'Tiger List' Subject: [Tigers] Alpine Parts Manual Hey, I have a copy of the Tiger parts list (from Tigers United) that is supposed to be a supplement to the Alpine parts manual. Is there an online copy of the Alpine parts manual out there somewhere? In the Tiger manual, when you get to the section that covers the front suspension, there is no drawing and just a few parts listed. So I assume that there is an Alpine manual with a drawing and parts list. Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1873 - Release Date: 1/3/2009 2:14 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 4 14:41:51 2009 From: Marc James Small To: "Joe Brown" , "'Tiger List'" Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:39:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine Parts Manual At 04:14 PM 1/4/2009, Joe Brown wrote: > > > >I have a copy of the Tiger parts list (from Tigers United) that is supposed >to be a supplement to the Alpine parts manual. Is there an online copy of >the Alpine parts manual out there somewhere? In the Tiger manual, when you >get to the section that covers the front suspension, there is no drawing and >just a few parts listed. So I assume that there is an Alpine manual with a >drawing and parts list. There is, and I own a copy. On the early days of this List, I sold few photocopies of it. I can look up a specific section for you and might be able to scan and send that page to you. I got my copy from Chrysler around 1981: maybe they still have them in stock? Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 4 15:37:59 2009 From: "Joe Brown" To: "'Marc James Small'" , "'Tiger List'" Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:37:28 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine Parts Manual Hi Marc, I'm mainly looking for the section that covers the front suspension. I want to see if it gives the sizes of the various bolts. I found a list of bolt sizes on Tigers United and I have another list from a very old C.A.T. shop notes article and there are some differences in the sizes between the two lists. Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 -----Original Message----- From: Marc James Small [mailto:marcsmall@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 3:40 PM To: Joe Brown; 'Tiger List' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine Parts Manual At 04:14 PM 1/4/2009, Joe Brown wrote: > > > >I have a copy of the Tiger parts list (from Tigers United) that is supposed >to be a supplement to the Alpine parts manual. Is there an online copy of >the Alpine parts manual out there somewhere? In the Tiger manual, when you >get to the section that covers the front suspension, there is no drawing and >just a few parts listed. So I assume that there is an Alpine manual with a >drawing and parts list. There is, and I own a copy. On the early days of this List, I sold few photocopies of it. I can look up a specific section for you and might be able to scan and send that page to you. I got my copy from Chrysler around 1981: maybe they still have them in stock? Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 4 17:13:17 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: "'Tiger List'" Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:12:54 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Valve cover decal info needed. Sorry if this is common knowledge and been answered 1000 times. I did an archive check and came up with nadda. For my VIN, B382002037, what is the correct SO # and Model # that goes on the Sunbeam LTC valve cover decal? I have the engine number from the VIN tag of course. TIA! Duke _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 4 18:55:42 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Joe Brown'" , "'Marc James Small'" Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 20:55:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine Parts Manual Joe Just list the bolt your interested in and we will see if we can get you the answers. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Brown Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 5:37 PM To: 'Marc James Small'; 'Tiger List' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine Parts Manual Hi Marc, I'm mainly looking for the section that covers the front suspension. I want to see if it gives the sizes of the various bolts. I found a list of bolt sizes on Tigers United and I have another list from a very old C.A.T. shop notes article and there are some differences in the sizes between the two lists. Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 4 19:02:16 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Samouce's'" , "'Tiger List'" Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:01:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve cover decal info needed. Duke This is a question for Norm and I'm not sure if he can give you an answer but he is your best bet. The model # for the 260 engine I believe is the same on all but the SO# might be unique. I just don't know. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Samouce's Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 7:13 PM To: 'Tiger List' Subject: [Tigers] Valve cover decal info needed. Sorry if this is common knowledge and been answered 1000 times. I did an archive check and came up with nadda. For my VIN, B382002037, what is the correct SO # and Model # that goes on the Sunbeam LTC valve cover decal? I have the engine number from the VIN tag of course. TIA! Duke No virus found in this incoming message. 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Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 14:35:40 2009 From: Dick Barker To: tigers@autox.team.net,wsamouce@kc.rr.com Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 13:35:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve cover decal info needed. Duke, After consulting issue #5 of Norm Miller's Tiger Press, I would say that since you have a late MK IA, your car should have a Sunbeam LTD decal (not ROOTES LTD) with the following information: Engine: 6884-B19KC Model: C4PZ-6001-CF (V8-260, 4-spd manual trans) S.O. Number: SO-2632 (Special Order #, generator-equipped) The Sunbeam LTD decal should be on the front of the passenger-side valve cover, and the Product of Ford Motor Company decal should be on the rear of the driver's-side cover. BTW, this little tag is not blue, it is silver and black, just like the Sunbeam LTD decal. Dick _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 18:00:53 2009 From: vegaslegal@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:00:12 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Life long restoration--hoses I've been working backwards on getting 382000975 to show quality.? Get it running after 17 years of indoor storage 2004.? Trunk restored 2005.? New (and last) red Pro-Prep GT interior completed 2006.? Body made laser straight 2006-07.? Seven stage show paint by Restoration Autotech (black)?2008.? Show chrome by -The Bumper Guy,- Southern California 2008. Now I'm moving to the engine bay.? Despite?paint and chrome, I'm looking to keep this as original as possible.? The original and only prior owner never touched very much on the car.??For example, many of the hoses appear original (even still have yellow striped vacuum hose).??As configured when I got the car, the heater hose throughout was black save for the heater core connections and the warming hose to the carburator spacer.? These were orange.? My question:? What is the correct color or color combinations for the heater hoses in the engine bay.? While I've got your attention, was the coil the yellow-top?as seen on the 1964 260?Mustangs, or was it all black?? Also confirming, the distributor cap should be blue?? Thank you all for any help. Very truly yours, Bob Nersesian _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 5 18:14:07 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:13:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Life long restoration--hoses Bob All hoses were black. Coil is Ford yellow top and the distributor cap is black. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of vegaslegal@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:00 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Life long restoration--hoses I've been working backwards on getting 382000975 to show quality.? Get it running after 17 years of indoor storage 2004.? Trunk restored 2005.? New (and last) red Pro-Prep GT interior completed 2006.? Body made laser straight 2006-07.? Seven stage show paint by Restoration Autotech (black)?2008.? Show chrome by -The Bumper Guy,- Southern California 2008. Now I'm moving to the engine bay.? Despite?paint and chrome, I'm looking to keep this as original as possible.? The original and only prior owner never touched very much on the car.??For example, many of the hoses appear original (even still have yellow striped vacuum hose).??As configured when I got the car, the heater hose throughout was black save for the heater core connections and the warming hose to the carburator spacer.? These were orange.? My question:? What is the correct color or color combinations for the heater hoses in the engine bay.? While I've got your attention, was the coil the yellow-top?as seen on the 1964 260?Mustangs, or was it all black?? Also confirming, the distributor cap should be blue?? Thank you all for any help. Very truly yours, Bob Nersesian No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1876 - Release Date: 1/5/2009 9:44 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 6 18:40:22 2009 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, Rollright@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:39:30 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hard top restoration Working on it(glass for hardtop). We are getting a hard top from a customer. Should have these available In a few weeks. The top we have is rough we need another to make sure the back glass is correct. In a message dated 1/2/2009 2:33:20 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rfraser@bluefrog.com writes: Jim The only online picture of the Hardtop is on TigersUnited,Shop Manual, body section, page 9. _http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmO9.asp_ (http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmO9.asp) mmm I have yet to find the Alpine Parts Manual online; it would be a great addition to TigersUnited but someone needs the time and ambition to scan it. For the side window toggle catch screws; the manual does not spec out the type or thread of any of them. The screw through the plexi is tough; it seems to me I jammed a flat blade screwdriver between the screw head and the bracket and I was able to turn the button on the outside by hand. Maybe I was just luck here. You probably try this screw first to see if it will loosen, then proceed to the hardtop side. The 2 screws to the hardtop have a Phillips head and you need a screwdriver the really fits. I would give these screws a firm turn to see if they will move; if not give the screwdriver or a Phillips bit a hit with a hammer to see if that will shock the screws loose. Once they start to turn put some penetrating oil on and keep turning. I would look for stainless screws to replace these. Yes there are some articles about cutting a windshield down and using it as a rear glass but I thought one of the listers just made some rear glass or maybe he is still in the process. A. LEE FESTICH ALAN AUTO GLASS 599 S. BONNYWOOD PL. BURBANK, CA. 91502 818-845-7300 PHN 818-845-7355 FAX 818-464-5909 CEL AAAGLASSS@AOL.COM _http://alanautoglass.com_ (http://alanautoglass.com/) I have seen the front toggles listed on a couple of sites one of them is in the UK I believe. http://www.rootesparts.com/id103.htm Its in the chrome section, just scroll down. Also try Classic Sunbeam. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:58 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Cc: onegonefish@comcast.net Subject: [Tigers] Hard top restoration Hello and happy 2009 ! Gary Fish and I are going to restore our hard tops. In anticipation of this, I've a few questions: 1) we already have the glass side windows in hand and I'm wondering if anyone knows the hot setup in removing the side window toggle catch fixing screws out cleanly (so they can be reused. Now unavailable) 2) though I own an Alpine parts manual and have copied the appropriate sections with parts list and images, is there an Alpine parts list on the web so I can "play" with the images? 3) I remember years ago that someone used a glass window in the rear instead of the plexi. Any comments? Any personal experiences? Memory says it was cut from a Nova or Chevy 11 front windshield. Or was it just too darn heavy? 4) I noticed the front toggles for both the hardtop and soft-top are the same. My hardtop toggles are really in need of plating. Did anyone ever sell these aftermarket or will I have to bite the bullet and go the re-chrome route? 5) Any words of advise in general or warnings of pitfalls? Best regards, Jim Armstrong **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009 1:10 PM Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 7 09:18:39 2009 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:17:11 EST Subject: [Tigers] hard-top questions Hello Two hardtop questions after striping everything off the steel frame on Gary's top last night: 1) there are two small brackets about an inch long pop-riveted to the bottom frame of the hardtop. the tab over at 90 degrees has a very small hole in the center. Any idea what these are for? 2) Paint: all hardtops were painted black. I want to match the original color and finish. I once heard that it was black with a clear coat from the factory. True or false? And what color and type of paint used? There is essentially no orange peal on my top which is reasonable in paint. Any and all hardtop comments welcomed. Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 7 09:52:08 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: , Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 10:51:47 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] hard-top questions 1) there are two small brackets about an inch long pop-riveted to the bottom frame of the hardtop. the tab over at 90 degrees has a very small hole in the center. Any idea what these are for? Those are for the straps that hold up the boot cover across the stowed top. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:17 To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Cc: onegonefish@comcast.net Subject: [Tigers] hard-top questions Hello Two hardtop questions after striping everything off the steel frame on Gary's top last night: 1) there are two small brackets about an inch long pop-riveted to the bottom frame of the hardtop. the tab over at 90 degrees has a very small hole in the center. Any idea what these are for? 2) Paint: all hardtops were painted black. I want to match the original color and finish. I once heard that it was black with a clear coat from the factory. True or false? And what color and type of paint used? There is essentially no orange peal on my top which is reasonable in paint. Any and all hardtop comments welcomed. Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 7 09:55:48 2009 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:55:03 EST Subject: [Tigers] hard-top issues Hello all, Well the affable and knowledgeable Tom Hall set me straight on the brackets I enquired about as well as the non-existence of clear-coat on hard-tops. That leaves paint. What can you paint experts tell me about how to achieve a factory look black finish on a stripped hard-top? Best, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 7 10:07:33 2009 From: To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net, Rollright@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:07:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] hard-top questions Jim: If the two brackets you are speaking of are located on top under the rear window, then that indicates that the top you are working on is from a Mk1A or later Tiger, or an Alpine Series V. Those cars were the ones that incorporated the fabric top cover rather than the tri-fold metal cover, and the two brackets you describe were basically tabs that corresponded to metal hooks that were attached to the fabric top cover itself allowing a person to hang the top boot from the top, keeping it from falling down further than necessary. The hardtops for the Mk1 Tigers and Series III & IV Alpines don't have those brackets as they used the tri-fold metal top cover. Hope that answers your question, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX ---- Rollright@aol.com wrote: > Hello > > Two hardtop questions after striping everything off the steel frame on > Gary's top last night: > > 1) there are two small brackets about an inch long pop-riveted to the bottom > frame of the hardtop. the tab > over at 90 degrees has a very small hole in the center. Any idea > what these are for? > > 2) Paint: all hardtops were painted black. I want to match the original > color and finish. I once heard that > it was black with a clear coat from the factory. True or > false? And what color and type of paint > used? There is essentially no orange peal on my top which is > reasonable in paint. > > Any and all hardtop comments welcomed. > > Best regards, > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 7 10:14:35 2009 From: Tony McNulty To: Samouce's , Rollright@aol.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 12:14:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] hard-top questions I recall seeing a new hardtop hanging on the Parts Dept. wall at Broughton Motors in San Antonio back in April of 1967, just as they were rolling up Sunbeam operations. That top was in red primer. I didn't purchase it at the time (DOH!!) because I didn't have the $150 they were asking. I did find a used one in Oakland in 1976, and snapped it right up. It was painted black, which came off readily when I started to wax it, so I took it down to its base color with mild rubbing compound, and that color was (is) BRG -- happily the color of my Tiger. .... for what it's worth. Tony McNulty B382001321 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samouce's" To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] hard-top questions > 1) there are two small brackets about an inch long pop-riveted to the > bottom > > frame of the hardtop. the tab > > over at 90 degrees has a very small hole in the center. Any idea > > what these are for? > > > > > > Those are for the straps that hold up the boot cover across the stowed > top. > > > > Duke > > B382002037 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:17 > To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net > Cc: onegonefish@comcast.net > Subject: [Tigers] hard-top questions > > > > Hello > > > > Two hardtop questions after striping everything off the steel frame on > > Gary's top last night: > > > > 1) there are two small brackets about an inch long pop-riveted to the > bottom > > frame of the hardtop. the tab > > over at 90 degrees has a very small hole in the center. Any idea > > what these are for? > > > > 2) Paint: all hardtops were painted black. I want to match the original > > color and finish. I once heard that > > it was black with a clear coat from the factory. True or > > false? And what color and type of paint > > used? There is essentially no orange peal on my top which > is > > > reasonable in paint. > > > > Any and all hardtop comments welcomed. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Jim Armstrong > > Mk 1A 382002083 > > LRXFE > > > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > Tigers@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.4/1880 - Release Date: 1/7/2009 8:49 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 7 11:13:35 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:12:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] hard-top questions Jim All hard tops were painted black if there were ordered separately; if it was ordered with the car it was painted the same color as the car. The paint chooses would be lacquer or enamel. I'm not exactly sure what Rootes used but my first guess would be enamel. Clear coat in the 60's was custom paint only and a lacquer product I believe. Your statement that "there is essentially no orange peel on my top" can happen in several ways. The paint could have been laid down that way or delivered from the factory like that, the previous owners used polishing compound to get to that smooth finish or it was wet sanded and polished. Rootes color code for Embassy black = 1, Ditzler # 9000, Lucite Lacquer - 99L, Dulux enamel - 93005, Berger code 404.0014, ICI - 122 Any of today's paint can be laid down the same way, almost perfectly smooth or some orange peel that can be polished out. It is all in the talent of the painter and the products used and exactly what you want. My hard top is painted with basecoat/ clearcoat black. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:17 AM To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Cc: onegonefish@comcast.net Subject: [Tigers] hard-top questions Hello Two hardtop questions after striping everything off the steel frame on Gary's top last night: 1) there are two small brackets about an inch long pop-riveted to the bottom frame of the hardtop. the tab over at 90 degrees has a very small hole in the center. Any idea what these are for? 2) Paint: all hardtops were painted black. I want to match the original color and finish. I once heard that it was black with a clear coat from the factory. True or false? And what color and type of paint used? There is essentially no orange peal on my top which is reasonable in paint. Any and all hardtop comments welcomed. Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.4/1880 - Release Date: 1/7/2009 8:49 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 7 12:26:11 2009 From: "Ronak, TP (Timothy)" To: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:25:23 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] HArd Top Jim, I have essentially and original perfect condition hard top right down to the furflex piping and headliner with near perfect windows. If photos of any of it would be helpful I would be happy to oblige. The only limitatation is that it is hanging from the roof of my garage and it may take a bit before I muster the desire to haul that sucker down. The top is in the air and looking under it I can not see any angle brackets like those described other than the retainers for the seals Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc. 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 PH: 949-305-5393 Cell: 949-289-3357 FX: 425-955-6268 Email: timothy.ronak@crna.akzonobel.com Personal Email: timronak@cox.net If you received this message in error please inform the sender and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 7 12:27:41 2009 From: "Ronak, TP (Timothy)" To: , "Tiger News Group List" Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:27:08 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Hard top Color The Top was black and it absolutely had no clear on it from what I can see. My roof was matched by the dealer to the color of the car on the exterior. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc. 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 PH: 949-305-5393 Cell: 949-289-3357 FX: 425-955-6268 Email: timothy.ronak@crna.akzonobel.com Personal Email: timronak@cox.net If you received this message in error please inform the sender and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 7 12:32:45 2009 From: "Ronak, TP (Timothy)" To: , , "Tiger News Group List" Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:32:15 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Hard top hooks for soft Top Well it seems my Mk1A has a little different hook for the soft cover retainer as my roof does not have those little brackets ... My soft top hooks into a long angle shaped piece that retains the convertible top and the Top Body seal along the back edge of the roof rear edge just above the deck lid. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc. 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 PH: 949-305-5393 Cell: 949-289-3357 FX: 425-955-6268 Email: timothy.ronak@crna.akzonobel.com Personal Email: timronak@cox.net If you received this message in error please inform the sender and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 7 15:20:01 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:19:28 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Hard Top Color(s) If anybody knows automotive paint, it is Tim. To my recollection, the GT Tigers came stock from the factory with a body color hard top. Dealers, except factory special ordered cars, stocked black hard tops supplied painted or not to order. If ordered from the factory, the hard tops came in the same color as the car. Usually, the dealer painted to match the body, as requested, or just supplied the stocking black color. Or as it has been said, "You Get's What You Pays For!" (some of the time.) When the Mazda Miata came out, it was the same way - black accessory unless you wanted it painted. The Thunderbird, in the mid 1950's, and the 50th anniversary 2005 model came with the car, and was body color. IMHO, hard tops looks more impressive in body color, as previous other makes had a non-factory, fiberglass, black finish. (My '51 MG and '54 Jag). Aside: Just read a newspaper article about gas pricing - and the "$ XX.9" costs. Surely stores understand that $ 99.9 sounds cheaper than $100, but it was added taxes on gas when it was less than $1.00 / gal. They just never changed it, like the "99 cent" stores are now $1.99 packages. They supposedly round it off on the total. Would you believe they round it UP? Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 7 16:22:36 2009 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:21:58 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Body-colored factory hardtops In addition to the handful of Tiger GT's built that came with body colored hardtops as standard equipment, the US, Canadian, and European sales folders covering the Tiger 1, 1A, and II mentioned that a body colored hardtop could be ordered at extra cost when ordered at the same time as the car. I have a photograph of Tigers still on the car carrier being delivered to a Wisconsin dealer that show three Tigers with body colored hardtops. The photo is circa 1966. My car came with body colored hardtop, but then the car (1A #48) was originally Embassy Black anyway. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 7 19:16:33 2009 From: "George Re" To: "tigers" Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 21:15:28 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Sheet metal Hi: It is now time for me to get the sheet matal I need to the body shop my question is? who has the best fitting sheet matal out there? I am not sure so the question goes to the group. Thanks George _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 7 21:25:37 2009 From: "Robin Young" To: "'George Re'" , "'tigers'" Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 23:24:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sheet metal George, I bought eight body panels from Victoria British and found they all worked well...even the outer rocker panels. The inner rockers were fabricated by the guy that did all the sheet metal work and was made with galvalum 12 ga. sheets. I think these are the only items bought from VB that were not returned for one reason or another. Robin MK1. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 8 17:05:22 2009 From: "George Re" To: "tigers" Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:05:01 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Hurst shifter Hi Again. My next question has anyone installed a Hurst Comp shifter in ther Tiger with the stock Toploader??. If you have what is the paert# for the mounting plate and what PN# for the shift rods. Thanks Again George _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 8 17:14:53 2009 From: "Jim" To: "'George Re'" , "'tigers'" Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:14:28 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hurst shifter Hi George I just took the toploader and hurst comp plus (not for sale) out of my Tiger and replaced it with a T-5 ... I can check the numbers on it if you like... I got a really nice repro 289 shift handle for it complete with dummy reverse lockout 't' ( looks a lot like the stock handle) from Dan Williams toploaders... I'm pretty sure that you can get the parts you need from him... Shop hours are Noon to Midnight EST (828) 524 9085 According to his website... http://www.toploadertransmissions.com/toploaderinfo.html He DOES show that he has the linkage for sale... Jim B38200446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Re Sent: January 8, 2009 4:05 PM To: tigers Subject: [Tigers] Hurst shifter Hi Again. My next question has anyone installed a Hurst Comp shifter in ther Tiger with the stock Toploader??. If you have what is the paert# for the mounting plate and what PN# for the shift rods. Thanks Again George Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 8 17:35:09 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: George Re , tigers Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:34:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hurst shifter I got a Hurst Comp for the Topload when I got a David Kee. I got the plate and correct linkage for as well. I did not go for the stock shifter (the dummy lock out type) but he had them form some cars (mustangs) don't know about the tiger. I have not done anything with it yet, but if you can't find the specific part for the plate I can crack open the box and see if it is stamped and you can likely just get from anyone that carries Hurst products (now a B&M Company...) Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: George Re To: tigers Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 4:05:01 PM Subject: [Tigers] Hurst shifter Hi Again. My next question has anyone installed a Hurst Comp shifter in ther Tiger with the stock Toploader??. If you have what is the paert# for the mounting plate and what PN# for the shift rods. Thanks Again George _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 8 17:40:49 2009 From: Amberly Chamberlain To: 'George Re' , 'tigers' , Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:40:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hurst shifter Dans the man! He hooked my car up as well. Great guy and very helpful. cheers frank --- On Thu, 1/8/09, Jim wrote: From: Jim Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hurst shifter To: "'George Re'" , "'tigers'" Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 4:14 PM Hi George I just took the toploader and hurst comp plus (not for sale) out of my Tiger and replaced it with a T-5 ... I can check the numbers on it if you like... I got a really nice repro 289 shift handle for it complete with dummy reverse lockout 't' ( looks a lot like the stock handle) from Dan Williams toploaders... I'm pretty sure that you can get the parts you need from him... Shop hours are Noon to Midnight EST (828) 524 9085 According to his website... http://www.toploadertransmissions.com/toploaderinfo.html He DOES show that he has the linkage for sale... Jim B38200446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Re Sent: January 8, 2009 4:05 PM To: tigers Subject: [Tigers] Hurst shifter Hi Again. My next question has anyone installed a Hurst Comp shifter in ther Tiger with the stock Toploader??. If you have what is the paert# for the mounting plate and what PN# for the shift rods. Thanks Again George Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 9 07:15:25 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:13:24 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] More Toploader discussion - basic orientation - Tiger and Friends, If anyone would be gracious enough to help me with a fundamental background on this subject..... I need some more basic orientation on early Ford transmissions....Here is why - I have a decent understanding of late model Borgwarner T5's, Tremec TKO's, 3550, 3650's, 500 and 600's....and the like because of experience with late model performance fords...and due to my generation, this is about all we know. I have a World Class T5 in my Tiger, or at least I'm in the process of doing the swap....I also have a WC BW T5 in my late model Mustang...and I've had a Tremec in a late model mustang..... Here is the issue.... I've never had any experience with a Top loaders, Muncie's, Saginaw's, T10's, Super T10's, Richmond's, Doug Nash's....etc. I need someone to point me in the right direction...and this application is actually for a 351W in a Shelby Cobra Replica. My motor is in the shop, it should put out about 450 horse, and I need to select a tranny. It will be a street car, but I certainly want it to hold together, but I'm also on a budget like most people....or at least its a consideration. I'm looking for a period correct style transmission that will handle the abuse of a street car Replica Cobra, turning an occasional 6500 rpm, with the external mounted Hurst shifter much like what you have been discussing. My problem is I don't know the difference in the aforementioned transmissions...or the preferred approach. Dan Williams obviously pushes the Ford OEM style (?) Top loader, but I have some people tell me a Super T10 is the way to go, or a Doug Nash Richmond 4 Speed....or a Richmond 5 speed..I wouldn't know one if I saw one!! And sometimes I see a " Richmond T10" and sometimes I see a "BorgWarner T10" for sale on the net....sometimes for GM, Sometimes for Ford....what's the difference? Splines? For example, ebay item number "220341785185" is for a Richmond SuperT10 with a Hurst Shifter, and its probably in my price range....and here is another one: "160308286133" for a BorgWarner for a GM application.....Im lost! If anyone has the time to give me some background here, on a broader level to kick-start my knowledge base, I would greatly appreciate it.... Thanks in advance... Cullen _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 9 07:46:10 2009 From: PhastPhill@aol.com To: cmccann@lwpb.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:45:46 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Toploader discussion - basic orientation - Tiger All I can tell you is that "back in the day" I ran a Ford top loader behind a 427 side oiler with no trans problems. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 9 08:10:28 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: "PhastPhill@aol.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:08:54 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Toploader discussion - basic orientation - Tiger I've had a couple others contact me off list and say the same thing.... so that's a good start on the preferred approach....I'm Jealous of your time back in the day.... thanks Phil... From: PhastPhill@aol.com [mailto:PhastPhill@aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 8:46 AM To: Cullen McCann; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Toploader discussion - basic orientation - Tiger and Non-Ti... All I can tell you is that "back in the day" I ran a Ford top loader behind a 427 side oiler with no trans problems. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 9 08:48:41 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:47:01 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Toploader discussion - basic orientation - Tiger Wow, I just called and talked to Dan williams and got more information in 90 seconds than I've ever had in my life.....that was incredible....I dont even know what he said!! anyway he definitely is the man with the info....holy smoke. That guy just erupted with info....he's sending me information in the mail and says he has some literature that will tell me everything I need to know...thats a start, at least with top loaders....now if I just knew what these other transmissions are... ;) Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Toploader discussion - basic orientation - Tiger and Non-Ti... I've had a couple others contact me off list and say the same thing.... so that's a good start on the preferred approach....I'm Jealous of your time back in the day.... thanks Phil... From: PhastPhill@aol.com [mailto:PhastPhill@aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 8:46 AM To: Cullen McCann; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Toploader discussion - basic orientation - Tiger and Non-Ti... All I can tell you is that "back in the day" I ran a Ford top loader behind a 427 side oiler with no trans problems. Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 9 16:03:22 2009 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:02:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hurst shifter Here are the Hurst part numbers that I have. I have been intending to do this myself for a while and got the numbers from a source which I do not recall. However, I wrote them down, so I must have had some confidence in them at the time. Shifter: 391 7535 Inst. Kit: 373 3167 The last I looked, they were listed in both the Summit and Jegs catalogs. As others have mentioned, you can also get them from Dan Williams or David Kee. Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 10 00:41:10 2009 From: "michael king" To: tigers Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:40:44 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger fan Hello list, Can someone confirm the size of the hole for the centre of the tiger engine fan which it slides onto.. is it 1inch? Is it the same as the alpine fans? -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 10 01:53:01 2009 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "michael king" , tigers Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 08:52:37 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger fan Yes - 1 inch On 1/10/09, michael king wrote: > Hello list, > > Can someone confirm the size of the hole for the centre of the tiger engine > fan which it slides onto.. is it 1inch? Is it the same as the alpine fans? > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 10 07:36:48 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: "'tigers'" Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 08:36:13 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Washer Bottle carrier needed. Morning all, I took a good look at my current windshield washer bottle carrier the other day and have determined that it is not original. It looks to be handmade. Do any of you have an extra original carrier you would be willing to part with? I have a VERY rare handmade one I can part with. ;>) Thanks, Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 10 09:22:16 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Samouce's'" , "'tigers'" Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:21:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Washer Bottle carrier needed. Duke The washer bottle carrier is a very simple hoop and bracket and an L piece all painted Tudor light blue. Are you sure you don't have the original? TBON shows a picture on page 142. Post a picture of your carrier. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Samouce's Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:36 AM To: 'tigers' Subject: [Tigers] Washer Bottle carrier needed. Morning all, I took a good look at my current windshield washer bottle carrier the other day and have determined that it is not original. It looks to be handmade. Do any of you have an extra original carrier you would be willing to part with? I have a VERY rare handmade one I can part with. ;>) Thanks, Duke B382002037 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1885 - Release Date: 1/9/2009 7:59 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 10 11:07:10 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: , "'tigers'" Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:06:40 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Washer Bottle carrier needed. Here is a link to a picture of the said custom handmade bracket. Let me know if I am wrong. http://e28-535i.com/upload/WBB.JPG Thanks, Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com] Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:22 To: 'Samouce's'; 'tigers' Subject: RE: [Tigers] Washer Bottle carrier needed. Duke The washer bottle carrier is a very simple hoop and bracket and an L piece all painted Tudor light blue. Are you sure you don't have the original? TBON shows a picture on page 142. Post a picture of your carrier. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Samouce's Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:36 AM To: 'tigers' Subject: [Tigers] Washer Bottle carrier needed. Morning all, I took a good look at my current windshield washer bottle carrier the other day and have determined that it is not original. It looks to be handmade. Do any of you have an extra original carrier you would be willing to part with? I have a VERY rare handmade one I can part with. ;>) Thanks, Duke B382002037 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1885 - Release Date: 1/9/2009 7:59 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 10 13:47:53 2009 From: "Steve Ralsten" To: "Samouce's" , , "'tigers'" Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:46:48 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Washer Bottle carrier needed. Mine is not available but it is out of the car. Here's a picture. Clearly one of us has non standard but I believe mine is original. Steve http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/WASHER%20BOTTLE_BRACKET.jpg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samouce's" To: ; "'tigers'" Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Washer Bottle carrier needed. > Here is a link to a picture of the said custom handmade bracket. Let me > know if I am wrong. > > http://e28-535i.com/upload/WBB.JPG > > Thanks, > > Duke > B382002037 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:22 > To: 'Samouce's'; 'tigers' > Subject: RE: [Tigers] Washer Bottle carrier needed. > > Duke > The washer bottle carrier is a very simple hoop and bracket and an L > piece all painted Tudor light blue. Are you sure you don't have the > original? > > TBON shows a picture on page 142. > > Post a picture of your carrier. > > Ron Fraser > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Samouce's > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:36 AM > To: 'tigers' > Subject: [Tigers] Washer Bottle carrier needed. > > > Morning all, > > I took a good look at my current windshield washer bottle carrier the > other > day and have determined that it is not original. It looks to be handmade. > > Do any of you have an extra original carrier you would be willing to part > with? I have a VERY rare handmade one I can part with. ;>) > > Thanks, > Duke > B382002037 > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1885 - Release Date: 1/9/2009 > 7:59 PM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 10 14:02:11 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: sralsten@ca.rr.com, wsamouce@kc.rr.com, rfraser@bluefrog.com, Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:01:16 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Washer Bottle carrier needed. Steve and All, Wow! I just sent Duke a note saying mine looked like his and now you have me wondering. I was going from memory and right now I'm 2,000 miles and can't check it. Mark **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 10 14:11:20 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: CoolVT@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:10:31 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Washer Bottle carrier needed. My washer bottle and carrier look just like Steve Ralsten's, except the PO chromed the bottle bracket. http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/WASHER%20BOTTLE_BRACKET.jpg Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com CoolVT@aol.com wrote: > Steve and All, > Wow! I just sent Duke a note saying mine looked like his and now you have > me wondering. I was going from memory and right now I'm 2,000 miles and can't > check it. > Mark _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 10 14:12:38 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , , , Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:11:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Washer Bottle carrier needed. The picture Steve sent out is what mine looks like except for the color. Norm states in TBON that a larger diameter bottle with a different carrier was introduced half way through the MK II production. Anyone have a picture of that larger bottle carrier? Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: CoolVT@aol.com [mailto:CoolVT@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:01 PM To: sralsten@ca.rr.com; wsamouce@kc.rr.com; rfraser@bluefrog.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Washer Bottle carrier needed. Steve and All, Wow! I just sent Duke a note saying mine looked like his and now you have me wondering. I was going from memory and right now I'm 2,000 miles and can't check it. Mark _____ A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1885 - Release Date: 1/9/2009 7:59 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 10 22:51:21 2009 From: "Peter Laurinaitis" To: "Cullen McCann" , Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 00:52:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Toploader discussion - basic orientation - Tiger i just had dan rebuild me a wide ratio toploader. sitting in my hallway foyer right now in a plastic crate. wont know how good a job until i install it, but darn, he works fast ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cullen McCann" To: Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Toploader discussion - basic orientation - Tiger and Non-Ti... > Wow, I just called and talked to Dan williams and got more information in > 90 > seconds than I've ever had in my life.....that was incredible....I dont > even > know what he said!! anyway he definitely is the man with the info....holy > smoke. That guy just erupted with info....he's sending me information in > the > mail and says he has some literature that will tell me everything I need > to > know...thats a start, at least with top loaders....now if I just knew what > these other transmissions are... ;) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 11 10:43:35 2009 From: TIGEROOTES@aol.com To: michael.s.king@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:42:45 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger V Alpine fans Michael, I'm sure Alpine fans have a much smaller center hole, but even more important is their tendency to lose blades often resulting in nasty gashes all the way thru the car's hoods! Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle ************** New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews00000002) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 11 11:11:39 2009 From: Jeff Howarth To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:12:11 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Dales Willwood calipers, master cylinder and NPT threads Hi, I am having an issue of leaks with the 1/8 npt fittings going into my new brake set up form Dales. I have adapters to go form 1/8 NPT to 3/8 UNF which is normal fitting Does anyone have experience of fitting these It may be that I am being cautious about over tightening. Reading up on the threads it does say they are tapered and self sealing but its not ideal into a composite calliper ! Also the pedal is going a long way down I guess due to the amount of fluid the 4 pot callipers take. Its currently on a 13/16 master and I have a 15/16 I am going to try and fit in. what is anyone else using ? Any one have any experience? Many thanks -- Jeff Howarth _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 11 11:45:56 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:45:24 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] LAT 18 Jacket just sold on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150319214215&v iewitem= Even in size small with and oil stain and a hole it got $103.50. I am making my own LAT18 "Le Mans" jacket, pictures once it is finished. I am using the (a2z Racer Gear) Steve McQueen Le Mans jacket for the foundation. I just dropped it off for many alterations, patch removal and additions. Here is a pic of the jacket as purchased. - http://www.a2zracergear.com/images/product_images/product_image_36.gif Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 11 12:06:37 2009 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Jeff Howarth" Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:03:14 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dales Willwood calipers, hi jeff, front or back? where are the NPT fittings? i have the dales rear calipers (they are mustang i think) and they take a 10mm metric thread. i've never heard of NPT being used for brake fittings as normally you'd use a teflon sealant on an NPT join and it just wouldn't handle the pressure in a brake system. can you not just use a standard 10mm or 3/16 UNF pipe union and a flared tube? either that or a 10mm or 3/16 UNF -> -3AN male adapter to use flexible hoses. i have dales rears and large double piston floating PBR calipers on the front probably similar to dales. I use a 1" master which works fine if a little on the short side. i tried 13/16 and even 7/8 but they didn't push enough fluid in one stroke. i also have a 15/16 that i plan on trying which i think will be just about right. for extra information, i use banjo fittings on my front calipers. can send pictures if you like. - owain. On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Jeff Howarth wrote: > Hi, > > I am having an issue of leaks with the 1/8 npt fittings going into my new > brake set up form Dales. > > I have adapters to go form 1/8 NPT to 3/8 UNF which is normal fitting > > Does anyone have experience of fitting these > > It may be that I am being cautious about over tightening. > > Reading up on the threads it does say they are tapered and self sealing but > its not ideal into a composite calliper ! > > Also the pedal is going a long way down I guess due to the amount of fluid > the 4 pot callipers take. Its currently on a 13/16 master and I have a 15/16 > I am going to try and fit in. what is anyone else using ? > > > Any one have any experience? > > > Many thanks > -- > Jeff Howarth > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 11 12:21:27 2009 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Jeff Howarth" Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:17:40 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dales Willwood calipers, i just looked at the wilwood caliper specifications and it does indeed use 1/8 NPT. not something i've seen before on brakes so i wouldn't know how to seal it. maybe the adapters are not great quality. why not try a 1/8NPT to 3AN or 4AN adapter which is pretty common place and attach a braided hose directly onto that? On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > hi jeff, > > front or back? where are the NPT fittings? i have the dales rear > calipers (they are mustang i think) and they take a 10mm metric > thread. i've never heard of NPT being used for brake fittings as > normally you'd use a teflon sealant on an NPT join and it just > wouldn't handle the pressure in a brake system. can you not just use > a standard 10mm or 3/16 UNF pipe union and a flared tube? either > that or a 10mm or 3/16 UNF -> -3AN male adapter to use flexible hoses. > > i have dales rears and large double piston floating PBR calipers on > the front probably similar to dales. I use a 1" master which works > fine if a little on the short side. i tried 13/16 and even 7/8 but > they didn't push enough fluid in one stroke. i also have a 15/16 that > i plan on trying which i think will be just about right. > > for extra information, i use banjo fittings on my front calipers. > > can send pictures if you like. > > - owain. > > On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Jeff Howarth wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am having an issue of leaks with the 1/8 npt fittings going into my new >> brake set up form Dales. >> >> I have adapters to go form 1/8 NPT to 3/8 UNF which is normal fitting >> >> Does anyone have experience of fitting these >> >> It may be that I am being cautious about over tightening. >> >> Reading up on the threads it does say they are tapered and self sealing but >> its not ideal into a composite calliper ! >> >> Also the pedal is going a long way down I guess due to the amount of fluid >> the 4 pot callipers take. Its currently on a 13/16 master and I have a 15/16 >> I am going to try and fit in. what is anyone else using ? >> >> >> Any one have any experience? >> >> >> Many thanks >> -- >> Jeff Howarth >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 11 12:28:10 2009 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Jeff Howarth" Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:24:50 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dales Willwood calipers, forgot to mention that in case, you are not doing so, you should be using some sort of sealant on the NPT threads. as i said earlier, normally this would be a teflon paste but for brake fittings there is probably some sort of curable loctite like sealant that would be better. now its time for someone else who knows what they're talking about to jump in.... On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > i just looked at the wilwood caliper specifications and it does indeed > use 1/8 NPT. not something i've seen before on brakes so i wouldn't > know how to seal it. maybe the adapters are not great quality. why > not try a 1/8NPT to 3AN or 4AN adapter which is pretty common place > and attach a braided hose directly onto that? > > On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: >> hi jeff, >> >> front or back? where are the NPT fittings? i have the dales rear >> calipers (they are mustang i think) and they take a 10mm metric >> thread. i've never heard of NPT being used for brake fittings as >> normally you'd use a teflon sealant on an NPT join and it just >> wouldn't handle the pressure in a brake system. can you not just use >> a standard 10mm or 3/16 UNF pipe union and a flared tube? either >> that or a 10mm or 3/16 UNF -> -3AN male adapter to use flexible hoses. >> >> i have dales rears and large double piston floating PBR calipers on >> the front probably similar to dales. I use a 1" master which works >> fine if a little on the short side. i tried 13/16 and even 7/8 but >> they didn't push enough fluid in one stroke. i also have a 15/16 that >> i plan on trying which i think will be just about right. >> >> for extra information, i use banjo fittings on my front calipers. >> >> can send pictures if you like. >> >> - owain. >> >> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Jeff Howarth wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am having an issue of leaks with the 1/8 npt fittings going into my new >>> brake set up form Dales. >>> >>> I have adapters to go form 1/8 NPT to 3/8 UNF which is normal fitting >>> >>> Does anyone have experience of fitting these >>> >>> It may be that I am being cautious about over tightening. >>> >>> Reading up on the threads it does say they are tapered and self sealing but >>> its not ideal into a composite calliper ! >>> >>> Also the pedal is going a long way down I guess due to the amount of fluid >>> the 4 pot callipers take. Its currently on a 13/16 master and I have a 15/16 >>> I am going to try and fit in. what is anyone else using ? >>> >>> >>> Any one have any experience? >>> >>> >>> Many thanks >>> -- >>> Jeff Howarth >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Tigers@autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >>> >>> http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 11 12:33:04 2009 From: "J. Nichols" To: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:32:56 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] LAT 18 Jacket just sold on ebay "Even in size small with and oil stain and a hole it got $103.50. I am making my own LAT18 "Le Mans" jacket, pictures once it is finished. I am using the (a2z Racer Gear) Steve McQueen Le Mans jacket for the foundation. I just dropped it off for many alterations, patch removal and additions." But it won't be vintage with all the grime and smell that only a well worn jacket can have. I bought a vintage racing jacket circa 1960' s for less than $10 off of Ebay and added my own patches. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 11 12:37:10 2009 From: "J. Nichols" To: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:37:02 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Washer Bottle carrier needed Mine is not available but it is out of the car. Here's a picture. Clearly one of us has non standard but I believe mine is original. VB has one very similar for $14.95 plus it is stainless steel. The VB one needs the bolt on piece to be a exact copy although it has the bolt holes in the right place. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 11 14:15:19 2009 From: Larry Paulick To: Jeff Howarth Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:14:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dales Willwood calipers, Jeff, have you thought to call Dale? There is also the issue of double flare vs bubble. Why would you want to use a sealant on a brake fitting. The pressure can reach 1000 psi on a street car, and 1200-1400 psi on a race car. Larry Jeff Howarth wrote: > Hi, > > I am having an issue of leaks with the 1/8 npt fittings going into my > new brake set up form Dales. > > I have adapters to go form 1/8 NPT to 3/8 UNF which is normal fitting > > Does anyone have experience of fitting these > > It may be that I am being cautious about over tightening. > > Reading up on the threads it does say they are tapered and self > sealing but its not ideal into a composite calliper ! > > Also the pedal is going a long way down I guess due to the amount of > fluid the 4 pot callipers take. Its currently on a 13/16 master and I > have a 15/16 I am going to try and fit in. what is anyone else using ? > > > Any one have any experience? > > > Many thanks _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 11 15:20:09 2009 From: "michael king" To: Samouce's Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:12:18 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] LAT 18 Jacket just sold on ebay i have one of those jackets .. they are quite puffy.. you would do better using the leather ones.. or actually.. better off with the dakota ones.. they are a better cut.. I am luck enough to have an original LAT jacket.. but its a bit small for me. 2009/1/12 Samouce's > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150319214215&v > iewitem= > > Even in size small with and oil stain and a hole it got $103.50. > > I am making my own LAT18 "Le Mans" jacket, pictures once it is finished. I > am using the (a2z Racer Gear) Steve McQueen Le Mans jacket for the > foundation. I just dropped it off for many alterations, patch removal and > additions. > > Here is a pic of the jacket as purchased. - > http://www.a2zracergear.com/images/product_images/product_image_36.gif > > Duke > B382002037 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 11 17:02:50 2009 From: "michael king" To: tigers Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:02:19 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] tiger video Go to 2:16 on this video.. maybe someone knows who this is.. http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=C9u6EUTUauo -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 11 17:10:56 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: "'michael king'" Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:10:32 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] LAT 18 Jacket just sold on ebay "they are quite puffy".That is one of the alterations. I am having the liner modified so that it can be removed by unzipping it from the jacket. Duke From: michael king [mailto:michael.s.king@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 16:12 To: Samouce's Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] LAT 18 Jacket just sold on ebay i have one of those jackets .. they are quite puffy.. you would do better using the leather ones.. or actually.. better off with the dakota ones.. they are a better cut.. I am luck enough to have an original LAT jacket.. but its a bit small for me. 2009/1/12 Samouce's http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=150319214215&v iewitem= Even in size small with and oil stain and a hole it got $103.50. I am making my own LAT18 "Le Mans" jacket, pictures once it is finished. I am using the (a2z Racer Gear) Steve McQueen Le Mans jacket for the foundation. I just dropped it off for many alterations, patch removal and additions. Here is a pic of the jacket as purchased. - http://www.a2zracergear.com/images/product_images/product_image_36.gif Duke B382002037 Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 11 18:23:28 2009 From: "Jerry and Marlene VanderPool" To: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:23:03 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Video of Virginia City Hill climb. Hi Gang; That looks like one of the STOA Tigers. One of the Taylor's or John Peterson. That is what we see, Jerry and Marlene with the Candy Apple Tiger in Oregon (WET Oregon). _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 11 18:29:47 2009 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: jrv309@charter.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 20:28:36 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Video of Virginia City Hill climb. Yep, looks like Jon Peterson. Mike In a message dated 1/11/2009 5:23:41 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jrv309@charter.net writes: Hi Gang; That looks like one of the STOA Tigers. One of the Taylor's or John Peterson. That is what we see, Jerry and Marlene with the Candy Apple Tiger in Oregon (WET Oregon). Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 11 19:13:50 2009 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: , Tigers Den Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:13:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] LAT 18 Jacket just sold on ebay Duke,I made a pair of "Super Tiger" jackets up using a couple vintage Cobra Jackets I bought off Ebay. It took me a bit to find them in white (to match my car) and in nice condition.My thought was to base the jackets and patches on Ian Garrad's idea of a fully equipped Super Tiger. The Super logo is then played off of Chrysler advertising of the late 60s...specifically their Super Bee....since my car is one that came with the pentastar on the lower front fender. On one arm I then have the American flag with the Ford patch (both from the jacket originally). And a custom designed Rootes Chrysler patch along with Union Jack flag on the other arm. Kind of an American engine...British car statement.Pictures can be seen here...http://www.breuhan.com/SuperTigerJacket.jpghttp://www.breuhan.com/Supe rTigerJacketPatch.jpgGood luck with your jacket and post some pictures when completed.Paul _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 11 20:06:40 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: "Paul R. Breuhan" Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:06:19 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Paul Breuhan's Site Tigers, Tried to get to the jacket patch pic, but went to the Main Page: http://www.breuhan.com/ And perused the Tiger Section. Lot's of neat pics, and info. Good work and info. 2006 "Battle of the Brits" has a picture of a Lotus which was in this mornings news as the "in development" electric car Chrysler say they are planning. Yeah, Tesla is already doing it on a smaller version, but it's neat. Not the first time Chrysler was involved with the Brits. I bought Paul's 2009 Calendar, already printed, and it is very nice. Thanks Paul Breuhan. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 11 20:19:44 2009 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: Steve Laifman Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:19:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paul Breuhan's Site Steve,Some times my messages get garbled because I am on a Mac and I forget to change the Microsoft Email Editor...so here is the message again...hopefully readable. Paul Duke,I made a pair of "Super Tiger" jackets up using a couple vintage Cobra Jackets I bought off Ebay. It took me a bit to find them in white (to match my car) and in nice condition. My thought was to base the jackets and patches on Ian Garrad's idea of a fully equipped Super Tiger. The Super logo is then played off of Chrysler advertising of the late 60s...specifically their Super Bee....since my car is one that came with the pentastar on the lower front fender. On one arm I then have the American flag with the Ford patch (both from the jacket originally). And a custom designed Rootes Chrysler patch along with Union Jack flag on the other arm. Kind of an American engine...British car statement. Pictures can be seen here... http://www.breuhan.com/SuperTigerJacket.jpg http://www.breuhan.com/SuperTigerJacketPatch.jpg Good luck with your jacket and post some pictures when completed. Paul ________________________________ > Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:06:19 -0800 > From: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com > To: prbreuhan@hotmail.com > CC: wsamouce@kc.rr.com; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Paul Breuhan's Site > > > > > > > > > > Tigers, > > > > Tried to get to the jacket patch pic, but went to the Main Page: > > > > http://www.breuhan.com/ > > > > And perused the Tiger Section. Lot's of neat pics, and info. Good > work and info. > > > > 2006 "Battle of the Brits" has a picture of a Lotus which was in this > mornings news as the "in development" electric car Chrysler say they > are planning. Yeah, Tesla is already doing it on a smaller version, > but it's neat. Not the first time Chrysler was involved with the Brits. > > > > I bought Paul's 2009 Calendar, already printed, and it is very nice. > > > > Thanks Paul Breuhan. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_01200 9 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 11 20:27:28 2009 From: Rob Bernardino To: "Paul R. Breuhan" Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:29:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paul Breuhan's Site Paul, I have been drooling over your website - well done. What happened to the fender vents you had planned. I have been contemplating a design similar to Aston Martin's centered around the Tiger script. Rob PS Don't apologize for being on a Mac. Like a superior car, I prefer working on a superior computer. Rob in CT 1966 Mk1A Tiger B382000262 LRXFE JAL660245 Color Code 39: Carnival Red On Jan 11, 2009, at 10:19 PM, Paul R. Breuhan wrote: > Steve,Some times my messages get garbled because I am on a Mac and I > forget to > change the Microsoft Email Editor...so here is the message > again...hopefully > readable. > Paul > > Duke,I made a pair of "Super Tiger" jackets up using a couple > vintage Cobra > Jackets I bought off Ebay. It took me a bit to find them in white > (to match my > car) and in nice condition. > > My thought was to base the jackets and patches on Ian Garrad's idea > of a fully > equipped Super Tiger. > > The Super logo is then played off of Chrysler advertising of the late > 60s...specifically their Super Bee....since my car is one that came > with the > pentastar on the lower front fender. > > On one arm I then have the American flag with the Ford patch (both > from the > jacket originally). And a custom designed Rootes Chrysler patch > along with > Union Jack flag on the other arm. Kind of an American > engine...British car > statement. > > > Pictures can be seen here... > > http://www.breuhan.com/SuperTigerJacket.jpg > > http://www.breuhan.com/SuperTigerJacketPatch.jpg > > > Good luck with your jacket and post some pictures when completed. > Paul > > > > > > ________________________________ >> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:06:19 -0800 >> From: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com >> To: prbreuhan@hotmail.com >> CC: wsamouce@kc.rr.com; tigers@autox.team.net >> Subject: Paul Breuhan's Site >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Tigers, >> >> >> >> Tried to get to the jacket patch pic, but went to the Main Page: >> >> >> >> http://www.breuhan.com/ >> >> >> >> And perused the Tiger Section. Lot's of neat pics, and info. Good >> work and info. >> >> >> >> 2006 "Battle of the Brits" has a picture of a Lotus which was in this >> mornings news as the "in development" electric car Chrysler say they >> are planning. Yeah, Tesla is already doing it on a smaller version, >> but it's neat. Not the first time Chrysler was involved with the >> Brits. >> >> >> >> I bought Paul's 2009 Calendar, already printed, and it is very nice. >> >> >> >> Thanks Paul Breuhan. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_01200 > 9 > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 11 22:56:39 2009 From: "Buck Trippel" To: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:55:49 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] SUNI Caravan from SoCal Hi, I'm working on trying to coordinate caravaning from SoCal to Rapid City at the end of June for SUNI . The plan is to swap cell phone numbers and rough itineraries. This will facilitate finding help in case anyone has a problem en route. I'll have a trailer if someone develops a real problem. BTW, it looks like most are planning to leave the Los Angeles area on either Thursday or Friday. (Registration is Sunday.) Some are considering "touring" a bit on the way north. Sites mentioned include in visits to Jacksone Hole, Yellowstone, the Little Big Horn Battlefield and Devils Tower National Monuments. Any who are interested, please contact me off list. thanks, Buck Trippel _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 04:20:39 2009 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: tigers Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:20:12 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] sump guard anyone got a plan for making a rally sump guard for the tiger? thanks. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 10:42:37 2009 From: Sjhcobra1@cs.com To: prbreuhan@hotmail.com ("Paul R. Breuhan"), slaifman@socal.rr.com Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:41:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paul Breuhan's Site Paul: Tony Branda in Pennsylvania has been a historical source for the coffin jackets (and various Cobra/Mustang and some Tiger items). They currently show them as being discontinued, but if there is sufficient interest perhaps they would make them available again or if not at least share their source with you. Steve Halbrook "Paul R. Breuhan" wrote: >Steve,Some times my messages get garbled because I am on a Mac and I forget to >change the Microsoft Email Editor...so here is the message again...hopefully >readable. >Paul > >Duke,I made a pair of "Super Tiger" jackets up using a couple vintage Cobra >Jackets I bought off Ebay. It took me a bit to find them in white (to match my >car) and in nice condition. > >My thought was to base the jackets and patches on Ian Garrad's idea of a fully >equipped Super Tiger. > >The Super logo is then played off of Chrysler advertising of the late >60s...specifically their Super Bee....since my car is one that came with the >pentastar on the lower front fender. > >On one arm I then have the American flag with the Ford patch (both from the >jacket originally). And a custom designed Rootes Chrysler patch along with >Union Jack flag on the other arm. Kind of an American engine...British car >statement. > > >Pictures can be seen here... > >http://www.breuhan.com/SuperTigerJacket.jpg > >http://www.breuhan.com/SuperTigerJacketPatch.jpg > > >Good luck with your jacket and post some pictures when completed. >Paul > > > > > >________________________________ >> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:06:19 -0800 >> From: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com >> To: prbreuhan@hotmail.com >> CC: wsamouce@kc.rr.com; tigers@autox.team.net >> Subject: Paul Breuhan's Site >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Tigers, >> >> >> >> Tried to get to the jacket patch pic, but went to the Main Page: >> >> >> >> http://www.breuhan.com/ >> >> >> >> And perused the Tiger Section. Lot's of neat pics, and info. Good >> work and info. >> >> >> >> 2006 "Battle of the Brits" has a picture of a Lotus which was in this >> mornings news as the "in development" electric car Chrysler say they >> are planning. Yeah, Tesla is already doing it on a smaller version, >> but it's neat. Not the first time Chrysler was involved with the Brits. >> >> >> >> I bought Paul's 2009 Calendar, already printed, and it is very nice. >> >> >> >> Thanks Paul Breuhan. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. >http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_01200 >9 > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif] >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 10:44:07 2009 From: To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:43:43 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] New Sunbeams ??? Maybe this is old news but I just noticed this over at TEAE. Maybe a new Tiger coming ? Seems to be a USA company but this page indicates a RH drive vehicle. I'll send them an email asking how to get a new Tiger just for fun. It would seem any resurection of manufacture of new Tigers would increase interest and value in original Tigers. http://www.sunbeamamerica.com/tiger.html Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 10:53:17 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:52:47 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] New Sunbeams ??? That company (Sunbeam America) is basically just re-branding offshore products using the Sunbeam name. I'm not completely sure but I think this company is probably related to that organization that tried to trademark "Sunbeam Tiger" and "Sunbeam Alpine" a few years ago, in loose connection with a South American sports car and a small SUV. They can't even spell "convertible" right on their homepage... Not sure if I'd trust them to build a car. Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 11:12:43 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:12:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Some Pics on Front Suspension I added (finally) some photos of the Hokanson Front Suspension that is going into my Tiger. Here are the links Main Site http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/TigerFrontSuspension.html Blog to leave comments http://gtsparkplugs.com/blog/ Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 11:56:27 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:55:56 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] New Sunbeams ??? Steve R., Very Interesting! I think that has been around a while. HOWEVER, way back in June of 2003 a group of Tiger owner's contributed their future vision of what a "2005" Tiger might look like. Some great ideas from some familiar names! http://www.tigersunited.com/articles/Tiger_2005/Tiger_2005-1.asp Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com sralsten@ca.rr.com wrote: > Maybe this is old news but I just noticed this over at TEAE. Maybe a new Tiger coming ? Seems to be a USA company but this page indicates a RH drive vehicle. > I'll send them an email asking how to get a new Tiger just for fun. It would seem any resurection of manufacture of new Tigers would increase interest and value in original Tigers. > > http://www.sunbeamamerica.com/tiger.html > > Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 12 14:00:00 2009 From: "Bob Hokanson" To: "Tigers" , "Sandy Ganz" Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:59:34 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some Pics on Front Suspension Sandy, With the aluminum block and heads, mini alternator, aluminum radiator, glass hood and now with the lighter weight front suspension have you calculated roughly how much weight you will have taken off the front of the car? Should be quick. Bob H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" To: Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:12 AM Subject: [Tigers] Some Pics on Front Suspension >I added (finally) some photos of the Hokanson Front Suspension that is >going into my Tiger. Here are the links > > Main Site > http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/TigerFrontSuspension.html > > Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 13 05:26:16 2009 From: "James E. Pickard" To: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:25:42 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Correct screw I know the trim covers for the defrost vents on the dash are each held in by two studs for "Lift-the-Dot"s, but they are also held in place by two machine screws. Somehow I've misplaced these and don't know the correct size screws. Couldn't find it on the bolt list. Help please! Can't put the windshield on until these are in place. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 13 06:46:31 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'James E. Pickard'" , Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:45:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct screw Jim No.4 x 1/2" oval head Tapping screw is what I have listed in Pub # 6600992, Alpine I - IV. I don't know if that may have changed for the Series V or Tiger. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James E. Pickard Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:26 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Correct screw I know the trim covers for the defrost vents on the dash are each held in by two studs for "Lift-the-Dot"s, but they are also held in place by two machine screws. Somehow I've misplaced these and don't know the correct size screws. Couldn't find it on the bolt list. Help please! Can't put the windshield on until these are in place. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1888 - Release Date: 1/12/2009 7:04 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 13 09:46:41 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:46:15 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Cowl access ? A couple weeks back I was playing with my hood dampers (the rubber pieces in top corners) One adjusted just fine, one was frozen. In trying to unfeeze it the rubber sheared off. It was a bit of a pain in the butt trying to remove it. The threaded portion was rusted. I've ordered a pair of new dampers but my question is how do I gain access underneath the cowl to rule out or repair other possible rust ? What if anything would you do to the threaded hole from which the rusted damper was removed ? Thanks for patience with my beginner questions. Steve R B9473720 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 13 09:51:03 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:50:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Cowl access ? A couple weeks back I was playing with my hood dampers (the rubber pieces in top corners) One adjusted just fine, one was frozen. In trying to unfeeze it the rubber sheared off. It was a bit of a pain in the butt trying to remove it. The threaded portion was rusted. I've ordered a pair of new dampers but my question is how do I gain access underneath the cowl to rule out or repair other possible rust ? What if anything would you do to the threaded hole from which the rusted damper was removed ? Thanks for patience with my beginner questions. Steve R B9473720 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 13 09:51:49 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:51:31 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Cowl access ? A couple weeks back I was playing with my hood dampers (the rubber pieces in top corners) One adjusted just fine, one was frozen. In trying to unfeeze it the rubber sheared off. It was a bit of a pain in the butt trying to remove it. The threaded portion was rusted. I've ordered a pair of new dampers but my question is how do I gain access underneath the cowl to rule out or repair other possible rust ? What if anything would you do to the threaded hole from which the rusted damper was removed ? Thanks for patience with my beginner questions. Steve R B9473720 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 13 10:29:45 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:14:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cowl access ? Steve I don't believe there is access without cutting your own opening but it has been a long time since I looked. The hood dampers are 1/4" UNF with a lock nut. UNF thread is similar but not exactly the same as US standard fine thread, they are compatible and interchangeable. The real question here is what thread is on the replacement parts. A 1/4" fine thread tap will cut metal chips if used in this hole unless it is a UNF tap; a thread chaser might not cut any metal, I don't have those on hand to try. I prefer to take an extra 1/4" UNF bolt and cut 2 or 3 flutes down it's length with a Dremel tool and make it the tap for these threaded holes. Use some Never Seize on the threads for the new dampers. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten@ca.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 11:46 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Cowl access ? A couple weeks back I was playing with my hood dampers (the rubber pieces in top corners) One adjusted just fine, one was frozen. In trying to unfeeze it the rubber sheared off. It was a bit of a pain in the butt trying to remove it. The threaded portion was rusted. I've ordered a pair of new dampers but my question is how do I gain access underneath the cowl to rule out or repair other possible rust ? What if anything would you do to the threaded hole from which the rusted damper was removed ? Thanks for patience with my beginner questions. Steve R B9473720 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1891 - Release Date: 1/13/2009 8:17 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 13 17:27:31 2009 From: "Jim" To: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:28:41 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] upper fulcrum pin Well, the snow's starting to melt (and we're NOT getting any more, are we?)so it's time I got all my Tiger projects sorted out and finished. I'm redoing my crossmember and when I took the nut off one of the upper fulcrum pins, it completely stripped the threads. I've now got all the new bushings and have the A-arms ready to go but have canvassed all my contacts for a used pin and no one seems to have a spare. I know I can get a new one from Doug Jennings and a couple others, but before I do that I thought I'd see if anyone had a spare upper A-arm that they would part with ( I only need the pin but would be surprised if anyone had removed one just for fun...lol ).I think the Alpine IV/V is the same... I'm in Canada on what used to be the balmy West coast Thanks Jim B382000446 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 13 18:17:03 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Jim Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:16:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] upper fulcrum pin Jim- From what Ive read a guy is nuts for using the old pins. as breakage is a thing many members have endured. I would buy two new pins- as I think its the top ones that normally break and replace both sides with strong consideration of replacing all 4 with the newer reengineered ones available from Doug and others. Having installed the bushing in the past and having paid a pro to also install a set, I would send the A-arms to Doug or whomever you prefer. I would also invest in the improved bushings. We have members that can tell you why the newer bushing are better and too, U may have them on hand. If you are dead set on using a used top pin, I can help- but its cold here and Im having some health issues- w/ some luck I may have an easy to locate one available. To the person who ask about a steering collum. I mentioned I dont really want to sell the spare but said I would IF you couldnt find one. I have no idea what it is worth. SO, contact me again, off list if you still are in need. I will then price it according to what the pros tell me its worth. I dont want to cheat you but I also really dont care about selling it, so my asking price will reflect what others tell me its worth. I hope thats fair. I also hope you have one. I apologise for not replying on list as I deleted your email I guess- anyway, I cant find it but did recently remember your request. Cheers to all. TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 13 21:09:00 2009 From: "michael king" To: tigers Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:08:28 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] oil filter choice Has anyone used the K&N oil filter part # HP 3001? Thisis for a ford motorsports 302. Any advice on whats a good oil filter.. mine is mounted as a remote in the front wheel well. http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?Ntt=oil+filter&N=700+4294908331+400171+115+4294907843&Ntk=KeywordSearch -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 05:26:10 2009 From: "James E. Pickard" To: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 06:25:40 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] damaged threads The threads on the center stud of my windshield are damaged. I can tighten the nut so far, but then it slips. A friend suggested I rethread with a slightly smaller metric size. Any better ideas? I already tried coating it with JB Weld and rethreading, but that wasn't strong enough to hold any pressure. Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 05:48:18 2009 From: Dave Munroe To: "James E. Pickard" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:47:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] damaged threads Jim; Are the threads stripped the full length of the stud? Or just at the "deep" end where the heavy clamping pressure is needed? If this is the case, try moving the nut back from the stripped area with a washer or two... Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "James E. Pickard" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 8:25 AM Subject: [Tigers] damaged threads > The threads on the center stud of my windshield are damaged. I can > tighten > the nut so far, but then it slips. A friend suggested I rethread with a > slightly smaller metric size. Any better ideas? I already tried coating > it > with JB Weld and rethreading, but that wasn't strong enough to hold any > pressure. Thanks. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 08:41:28 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:35:48 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Stock Ford Engine study To all Well it's a sunny 8 Degrees F here so I'm inside now, on the computer thinking about stock Tiger, Ford engine configuration again. First, thank you to all who have already participated and helped me with this project. I have embarked on this project to document the different stock Ford engine configurations used for the Tiger MK I through MK II with respect to the Ford part numbers and date codes. Originally I was just looking at the B19KA engine group which turned up the fact that some engines were built early in 1965, painted black, and some were built late in 1965, painted Ford Corporate Blue. The expanded project now include all 13 Tiger engine groups and the possibility of uncovering more interesting facts about our Marque. My goal here is to add to our knowledge base and to try and answer some questions this list has asked; especially concerning the B19KA group of engines. I would definitely like to see more information about this group of engines and the early one's painted black. If you still have the original stock Ford engine for your Tiger or the original parts on hand; I hope you will participate. I would like to hear from you. If you have any questions about other Ford engine Parts you have, casting #s or date codes, I will gladly try to answer them. Please respond offline. Here is the information I'm looking for about the stock, original Ford, Tiger engine: Tiger Vin number - Rootes engine number - Engine casting number - Engine casting date - These numbers are just above the starter. If the engine is not out of the car, do not include these numbers unless you know what they are. Intake manifold casting number - Intake manifold casting date - These numbers are on the front 2 runners, the casting date looks like a small plate on the lower runner Engine build date - This number is stamped on a machined pad on the left side just above one of the water pump bolts and in front of the head. If the engine has been decked, it maybe gone. Engine Tag numbers - This is a small aluminum Tag mounted to the intake manifold, should be to the left side of the carb and has 2 rows of numbers. If you do not have this Tag, please state that too. Thank You Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 09:42:36 2009 From: drmayf To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:42:12 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] On Ebay..... A Land speed racing acquaintence sent this to me. Calif car.... no interest in it, just putting the info out on the list. Heck, you may have all seen and h eard about it already... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320330890359 Looks to be agreat starting point for a restoration, maybe YMMV mayf _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 10:00:39 2009 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: drmayf@mayfco.com Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:00:16 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] On Ebay..... nice! but there's no way that has 24k on it... at least 124. On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 4:42 PM, drmayf wrote: > A Land speed racing acquaintence sent this to me. Calif car.... no interest > in it, just putting the info out on the list. Heck, you may have all seen > and h eard about it already... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320330890359 > > Looks to be agreat starting point for a restoration, maybe YMMV > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 10:02:37 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: "drmayf@mayfco.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:00:52 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] On Ebay..... ...mayf, I agree that is a nice project...and when I say nice I also mean that not just everyone would spend 23 grand (and will certainly go up with a day and half left) on a car that still needs a complete restoration....but it looks like a very complete car and a perfect candidate for someone wanting a nice original platform... I think if this unrestored car brings what I think it will, maybe 35-40 grand?, that it will say a lot for current Tiger values....maybe? -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:42 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] On Ebay..... A Land speed racing acquaintence sent this to me. Calif car.... no interest in it, just putting the info out on the list. Heck, you may have all seen and h eard about it already... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320330890359 Looks to be agreat starting point for a restoration, maybe YMMV mayf Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 13:22:47 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: michael king Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:22:21 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] oil filter choice Michael, Independent tests have confirmed that the Ford Motorsports FL-1A produced the best results. I am also using the Ford Motorsport right angle filter holder, with a very small amount of motor mount corner filing to increase clearance for engine roll. These are stocked by Pep Boys, Ford, and many other auto parts dealers. Goggle it and find Amazon, Summit Racing ($3.95) http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=ACF-FL1A&N=700+401103+115&autoview=sku (copy / paste entire line in browser) and Guitar Village (left hand guitar ) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com michael king wrote: > Has anyone used the K&N oil filter part # HP 3001? Thisis for a ford > motorsports 302. Any advice on whats a good oil filter.. mine is mounted as > a remote in the front wheel well. > > http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?Ntt=oil+filter&N=700+4294908331+400171+115+4294907843&Ntk=KeywordSearch _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 13:24:36 2009 From: vegaslegal@aol.com To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:23:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] On Ebay..... Mine came out of?California/Nevada garage storage since 1988, was 'little old lady' owned, was always garage kept, had less than 65k on the odometer, all documented by a stack of oil change stickers on the door and receipts in the trunk.? It looked much worse than the car pictured and suffered much of the identical wearing, e.g., crazed dash, dimmed chrome on dash and valve covers, sagging seat foam, paint separation under the hood, etc.? These are more time issues than wear issues.? The car pictured, IMHO, appears to be what is stated.? I do, however, note a curiosity.? Why would an original garage kept time capsule have had the vin plate removed?? The rivets do not appear original. ? Bob Nersesian 382000975 P.S.? That's appears to be a?pretty amazing picture of the original radio installation. -----Original Message----- From: Owain Lloyd To: drmayf@mayfco.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 9:00 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] On Ebay..... nice! but there's no way that has 24k on it... at least 124. On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 4:42 PM, drmayf wrote: > A Land speed racing acquaintence sent this to me. Calif car.... no interest > in it, just putting the info out on the list. Heck, you may have all seen > and h eard about it already... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320330890359 > > Looks to be agreat starting point for a restoration, maybe YMMV > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 15:54:25 2009 From: "michael king" To: rdickson@midwestarchaeology.com Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:48:15 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] On Ebay..... I've been watching that car since it was listed.. bidding went hard early then stalled after the reserve at 20.. i am guessing people were just sussing out the reserve and rserious bidding will eb at the end. I think the millage could be right, i think its a 35-40K car maybe.. looks to have all oruiginal hoses (even the booster one) is a rare colour and looks very stock.. great platform for a concourse car. Bill Atalla acquired another very original car last year, but i think this one might even be a bit more original and perhaps a little less tampered with. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 16:42:15 2009 From: Paul R Sheahan To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com, vegaslegal@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:34:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] On Ebay..... The car was repainted in the 70's. Probably removed the vin plate in the process. Paul Paul R Sheahan --- On Wed, 1/14/09, vegaslegal@aol.com wrote: From: vegaslegal@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] On Ebay..... To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:23 PM Mine came out of?California/Nevada garage storage since 1988, was 'little old lady' owned, was always garage kept, had less than 65k on the odometer, all documented by a stack of oil change stickers on the door and receipts in the trunk.? It looked much worse than the car pictured and suffered much of the identical wearing, e.g., crazed dash, dimmed chrome on dash and valve covers, sagging seat foam, paint separation under the hood, etc.? These are more time issues than wear issues.? The car pictured, IMHO, appears to be what is stated.? I do, however, note a curiosity.? Why would an original garage kept time capsule have had the vin plate removed?? The rivets do not appear original. ? Bob Nersesian 382000975 P.S.? That's appears to be a?pretty amazing picture of the original radio installation. -----Original Message----- From: Owain Lloyd To: drmayf@mayfco.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 9:00 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] On Ebay..... nice! but there's no way that has 24k on it... at least 124. On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 4:42 PM, drmayf wrote: > A Land speed racing acquaintence sent this to me. Calif car.... no interest > in it, just putting the info out on the list. Heck, you may have all seen > and h eard about it already... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320330890359 > > Looks to be agreat starting point for a restoration, maybe YMMV > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 16:42:21 2009 From: "Jerry and Marlene VanderPool" To: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:35:04 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Registration Form for SUNI V Hello all; The registration form for SUNI V in Rapid City, SD in June 2009 is now available All Clubs and Sunbeam owners interested in attending please contact us off line at jrv309@charter.net. If your club or friends are planning a caravan to SUNI V, please let me know and I will help link you up with others Jerry and Marlene VanderPool. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 17:15:03 2009 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: michael.s.king@gmail.com Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:14:32 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] On Ebay..... What do you do with a car like that? Not really nice enough to leave as is as a "survivor", but as soon as you start restoring, any value assigned to originality and patina is lost...plus at $35-40k you're already in to the car, cash wise, pretty near as much as if you just bought a decent, straight, low rust car and did a unibody up resto...maybe that's why bidding has stalled. In a message dated 1/14/2009 2:54:42 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, michael.s.king@gmail.com writes: I've been watching that car since it was listed.. bidding went hard early then stalled after the reserve at 20.. i am guessing people were just sussing out the reserve and rserious bidding will eb at the end. I think the millage could be right, i think its a 35-40K car maybe.. looks to have all oruiginal hoses (even the booster one) is a rare colour and looks very stock.. great platform for a concourse car. Bill Atalla acquired another very original car last year, but i think this one might even be a bit more original and perhaps a little less tampered with. -- Regards Michael King Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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(http://news.aol.com/main/politics/inauguration?ncid=emlcntusnews00000003) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 20:18:35 2009 From: "Russ and Tammy C." To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:13:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] russo & steele auction I saw a 65 white 289 tiger on russo & steele auction on 1/13/09 that did not make reserve at either 57 or $67,000. Was that an old program or was it a current program? Thanks, Russ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 14 21:33:25 2009 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: "'Russ and Tammy C.'" , Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:06:59 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] russo & steele auction Russ, I would assume it was an old show because their Scottsdale auction stared today. They probably would not have had another auction so close to the Scottsdale auction. A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Russ and Tammy C. > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 9:14 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] russo & steele auction > > I saw a 65 white 289 tiger on russo & steele auction on > 1/13/09 that did not make reserve at either 57 or $67,000. > Was that an old program or was it a current program? > > Thanks, Russ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 00:19:11 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, "Russ and Tammy C." Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 1:53:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] russo & steele auction The show you saw was from the Montery auction late last summer. That white car sold at $73K days after the auction after missing reserve. It's buyer I assume tried to sell it within weeks on ebay under the name angryjuan. It did not meet reserve and is now back with Russo Steele. Maybe the car has some serious problem and angryjuan got RS to take it back or maybe he couldn't come up with the money and RS took it back. Maybe he just didn't like Tigers after a drive around the block, who knows ? Steve R B9473720 ---- "Russ and Tammy C." wrote: > I saw a 65 white 289 tiger on russo & steele auction on 1/13/09 that did not > make reserve at either 57 or $67,000. Was that an old program or was it a > current program? > > Thanks, Russ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 02:35:04 2009 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:10:00 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] russo & steele auction or RS accidentally bought it themselves. On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 6:53 AM, wrote: > The show you saw was from the Montery auction late last summer. That white car sold at $73K days after the auction after missing reserve. It's buyer I assume tried to sell it within weeks on ebay under the name angryjuan. It did not meet reserve and is now back with Russo Steele. Maybe the car has some serious problem and angryjuan got RS to take it back or maybe he couldn't come up with the money and RS took it back. Maybe he just didn't like Tigers after a drive around the block, who knows ? > > Steve R > B9473720 > > > ---- "Russ and Tammy C." wrote: >> I saw a 65 white 289 tiger on russo & steele auction on 1/13/09 that did not >> make reserve at either 57 or $67,000. Was that an old program or was it a >> current program? >> >> Thanks, Russ >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 07:21:19 2009 From: "Owain Lloyd" To: MWood24020@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:54:10 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] On Ebay..... i personally think it is really sad to restore an original car. other than basic mechanical maintenance like new shocks, bushings etc i would keep it as is. its a shame that it looks as though its already been repainted at some point though. On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:14 AM, wrote: > What do you do with a car like that? Not really nice enough to leave as is > as a "survivor", but as soon as you start restoring, any value assigned to > originality and patina is lost...plus at $35-40k you're already in to the car, > cash wise, pretty near as much as if you just bought a decent, straight, low > rust car and did a unibody up resto...maybe that's why bidding has stalled. > > > > > In a message dated 1/14/2009 2:54:42 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > michael.s.king@gmail.com writes: > > I've been watching that car since it was listed.. bidding went hard early > then stalled after the reserve at 20.. i am guessing people were just > sussing out the reserve and rserious bidding will eb at the end. I think the > millage could be right, i think its a 35-40K car maybe.. looks to have all > oruiginal hoses (even the booster one) is a rare colour and looks very > stock.. great platform for a concourse car. Bill Atalla acquired another > very original car last year, but i think this one might even be a bit more > original and perhaps a little less tampered with. > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De > cemailfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 09:35:33 2009 From: "Jim Parent" To: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:35:07 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Engine color What was the engine color for an early Tiger? Black? Ford Blue? Other? Regards, Jim Parent B9470139LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 10:09:29 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jim Parent'" , Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:08:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine color Jim Your block for B9470139 should be black. The B19KA engines built in Oct 1965 and the 289 engines are the ones painted Blue. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Parent Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:35 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Engine color What was the engine color for an early Tiger? Black? Ford Blue? Other? Regards, Jim Parent B9470139LRXFE No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1895 - Release Date: 1/15/2009 7:46 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 12:41:45 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:41:19 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Barrett-Jackson Arizona 2009 Now on SPEED Cable Channel, and climaxing this weekend: Barrett-Jackson Auto Auction.: http://www.barrettjackson.com/ Some great iron, aluminum, and plastic cars. Check out how the economy is doing at the upper levels of available cash. Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 12:53:35 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:53:09 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Barrett-Jackson Arizona 2009 While traveling in Florida I picked up a copy of antique/classic car sales. I was amazed at the drop in prices from 6 months-1 year ago. Prices to me seem to be down by at least a third. Hemi's and Shelbys might be holding there own, but most others are way down....especially the older "common" cars. I would expect the auctions to go the same way. Will be interesting to see what Tigers can do. I don't think Tigers were really overpriced a year ago, so I don't think they will drop that much, if any, in value. Mark L **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 13:19:12 2009 From: rab65tiger@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:18:05 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: ebay Tiger -----Original Message----- From: rab65tiger@aol.com To: tigers-request@autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:06 am Subject: ebay Tiger A non Tigering friend of mine saw a blue Tiger on a auto transport trailer in Santa Monica to be shipped to northern california about a month ago.? I wonder if I missed a huge bargain in socal.? Curouis if this is the same car? Randy B A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 14:23:14 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:23:52 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? As a general question I was curious if others who have used Flowmaster mufflers found them to be too "Boomy," -especially in the 2,000-2,500 RPM range. I am experiencing a resonance in the described RPM range that is almost unbearable. While not a Tiger, I am running their "supposedly quieter" 50 series on a Mopar 318, stock manifolds into a single 3" pipe, plumbed out to the back. The car is relatively well insulated, nothing is contacting, and everything is hung on rubber supports. If this is a common issue with the Flowmaster does anyone have a remedy ? I'll be listening (with ringing ears) for a reply. Thanks, Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1893 - Release Date: 1/14/2009 6:59 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 14:49:45 2009 From: Rob Bernardino To: Thomas Witt Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:51:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? I do not have any personal experience, but on all the Foose cars on Overhauling they use the muffler but always install an X-Pipe which perhaps may stabilize the boominess? Just a thought. Rob Rob in CT 1966 Mk1A Tiger B382000262 LRXFE JAL660245 Color Code 39: Carnival Red On Jan 15, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Thomas Witt wrote: > As a general question I was curious if others who have used > Flowmaster > mufflers found them to be too "Boomy," -especially in the > 2,000-2,500 RPM > range. I am experiencing a resonance in the described RPM range > that is > almost unbearable. > > While not a Tiger, I am running their "supposedly quieter" 50 > series on a > Mopar 318, stock manifolds into a single 3" pipe, plumbed out to the > back. > The car is relatively well insulated, nothing is contacting, and > everything > is hung on rubber supports. > > If this is a common issue with the Flowmaster does anyone have a > remedy ? > I'll be listening (with ringing ears) for a reply. > > Thanks, Tom > > > [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried > to parse but could not find any section which it could render. > Please send plain text.] > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1893 - Release Date: > 1/14/2009 > 6:59 AM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 14:52:10 2009 From: Owain Lloyd To: Thomas Witt , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:51:28 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? I run a single flowmaster in each pipe and it produces a nice sound that is a little loud and burbly but not what I'd call boomy at all. To give you a measurement, at goodwood they told me it hit 107db from 1900rpm which is actually quite a lot of noise but I'd say the average 18 year old's citreon saxo / honda civic with it's omnipresent torque sapping exhaust it more 'boomy'. It doesn't bother me on the highway but you really need an intercom to talk to the passenger on the track... On 1/15/09, Thomas Witt wrote: > As a general question I was curious if others who have used Flowmaster > mufflers found them to be too "Boomy," -especially in the 2,000-2,500 RPM > range. I am experiencing a resonance in the described RPM range that is > almost unbearable. > > While not a Tiger, I am running their "supposedly quieter" 50 series on a > Mopar 318, stock manifolds into a single 3" pipe, plumbed out to the back. > The car is relatively well insulated, nothing is contacting, and everything > is hung on rubber supports. > > If this is a common issue with the Flowmaster does anyone have a remedy ? > I'll be listening (with ringing ears) for a reply. > > Thanks, Tom > > > [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried > to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send > plain text.] > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1893 - Release Date: 1/14/2009 > 6:59 AM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 14:53:16 2009 From: Owain Lloyd To: Thomas Witt , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:52:57 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? Oh, and one remedy would be an extra glass pack in series. On 1/15/09, Owain Lloyd wrote: > I run a single flowmaster in each pipe and it produces a nice sound > that is a little loud and burbly but not what I'd call boomy at all. > To give you a measurement, at goodwood they told me it hit 107db from > 1900rpm which is actually quite a lot of noise but I'd say the average > 18 year old's citreon saxo / honda civic with it's omnipresent torque > sapping exhaust it more 'boomy'. > > It doesn't bother me on the highway but you really need an intercom to > talk to the passenger on the track... > > On 1/15/09, Thomas Witt wrote: >> As a general question I was curious if others who have used Flowmaster >> mufflers found them to be too "Boomy," -especially in the 2,000-2,500 >> RPM >> range. I am experiencing a resonance in the described RPM range that is >> almost unbearable. >> >> While not a Tiger, I am running their "supposedly quieter" 50 series on >> a >> Mopar 318, stock manifolds into a single 3" pipe, plumbed out to the >> back. >> The car is relatively well insulated, nothing is contacting, and >> everything >> is hung on rubber supports. >> >> If this is a common issue with the Flowmaster does anyone have a remedy >> ? >> I'll be listening (with ringing ears) for a reply. >> >> Thanks, Tom >> >> >> [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried >> to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please >> send >> plain text.] >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1893 - Release Date: >> 1/14/2009 >> 6:59 AM >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 15:00:50 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Thomas Witt" , Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:00:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? I had, on the old engine/header combination, the 2" center-in, center-out 50 series Flowmasters and it was not too loud. It had the signature Flowmaster sound and with the cam combined to make it pretty distinctive. As the others have already said, a crossover pipe may help the noise and give you a bit of power to boot. 3" is a pretty big pipe too, for a street car... You might find that just going down to a 2 1/2" exit pipe cuts the noise substantially without limiting the power output in a significant way. One last thing is that depending on how the mufflers are installed, they may be resonating off each other. I forget where, but someplace on the Internet they had a description of the problem and suggestions for how to fix that... You basically stagger the mufflers so they're not beside each other or else you actually use different size muffler bodies so that they can't resonate with each other. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt > Sent: January 15, 2009 2:24 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? > > > As a general question I was curious if others who have used > Flowmaster mufflers found them to be too "Boomy," > -especially in the 2,000-2,500 RPM range. I am experiencing a > resonance in the described RPM range that is almost unbearable. > > While not a Tiger, I am running their "supposedly quieter" > 50 series on a Mopar 318, stock manifolds into a single 3" > pipe, plumbed out to the back. > The car is relatively well insulated, nothing is contacting, > and everything is hung on rubber supports. > > If this is a common issue with the Flowmaster does anyone > have a remedy ? > I'll be listening (with ringing ears) for a reply. > > Thanks, Tom > > > [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried > to parse but could not find any section which it could > render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this > outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1893 - Release > Date: 1/14/2009 > 6:59 AM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 15:03:35 2009 From: milano164@comcast.net To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Ebay Tiger I am not sure if itB really is all that original... It has been repainted. (was Color Code 53, Wedgewood blue). I suppose if you did have it you'd want to put it back to the original color.B B The interior is a bit ratty but could be cleaned up. You can always salvage as many parts as possible replacing as little as possible but I would have to correct the paint if it were me. Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 15:26:12 2009 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: "'Thomas Witt'" , Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:25:41 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? Tom, I am using the supposedly louder two chamber Flowmasters on my Mustang GT and love them. I don't have any problems with resonance at any speed while having a very nice sound at idle and under acceleration. The harder I accelerate, the better it sounds. This a true dual system with only the Flowmaster mufflers and tail pipes changed with an increase in diameter from 2.25" to 2.50". I wonder if the boominess could be due to it being a single pipe system with a fairly large diameter pipe? I think Owain's suggestion to add a glasspack in series would probably be the easy and cheap solution whatever the cause. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:24 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? > > As a general question I was curious if others who have used > Flowmaster mufflers found them to be too "Boomy," > -especially in the 2,000-2,500 RPM range. I am experiencing a > resonance in the described RPM range that is almost unbearable. > > While not a Tiger, I am running their "supposedly quieter" > 50 series on a Mopar 318, stock manifolds into a single 3" > pipe, plumbed out to the back. > The car is relatively well insulated, nothing is contacting, > and everything is hung on rubber supports. > > If this is a common issue with the Flowmaster does anyone > have a remedy ? > I'll be listening (with ringing ears) for a reply. > > Thanks, Tom > > > [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried > to parse but could not find any section which it could > render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this > outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1893 - Release > Date: 1/14/2009 > 6:59 AM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 15:43:06 2009 From: "michael king" To: "A. C. Tynes" Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:42:46 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? I think the 3" pipe is the issue, you are complaining of a droning sound at a lower RPM range which is a typical issue with al the jap cars that run large pipes on normal motors. I think gogint o t a smaller pipe would probably solve the problem and even at 2.25 i doubt you would loose power.. its quite possible you might gain some torque. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 15:44:36 2009 From: Bill Waite To: Thomas Witt , tigers@autox.team.net, "Smit, Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:44:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? My Tiger has 2 1/2 inch pipes and Flowmasters with no crossover. Not too loud at all, no "booming" and everyone who hears the car (or rides in it) likes the sound they put out. Running a roller cam 302 Ford crate motor. "Growls" just right when I hit the go juice, but is reasonably quiet at cruising speeds. Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Smit, Theo wrote: From: Smit, Theo Subject: Re: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? To: "Thomas Witt" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 5:00 PM I had, on the old engine/header combination, the 2" center-in, center-out 50 series Flowmasters and it was not too loud. It had the signature Flowmaster sound and with the cam combined to make it pretty distinctive. As the others have already said, a crossover pipe may help the noise and give you a bit of power to boot. 3" is a pretty big pipe too, for a street car... You might find that just going down to a 2 1/2" exit pipe cuts the noise substantially without limiting the power output in a significant way. One last thing is that depending on how the mufflers are installed, they may be resonating off each other. I forget where, but someplace on the Internet they had a description of the problem and suggestions for how to fix that... You basically stagger the mufflers so they're not beside each other or else you actually use different size muffler bodies so that they can't resonate with each other. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt > Sent: January 15, 2009 2:24 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? > > > As a general question I was curious if others who have used > Flowmaster mufflers found them to be too "Boomy," > -especially in the 2,000-2,500 RPM range. I am experiencing a > resonance in the described RPM range that is almost unbearable. > > While not a Tiger, I am running their "supposedly quieter" > 50 series on a Mopar 318, stock manifolds into a single 3" > pipe, plumbed out to the back. > The car is relatively well insulated, nothing is contacting, > and everything is hung on rubber supports. > > If this is a common issue with the Flowmaster does anyone > have a remedy ? > I'll be listening (with ringing ears) for a reply. > > Thanks, Tom > > > [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried > to parse but could not find any section which it could > render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this > outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1893 - Release > Date: 1/14/2009 > 6:59 AM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 15:47:27 2009 From: Randy Smith To: Thomas Witt Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:46:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? Tom- I have ridden in a couple of Tigers with Flowmasters and I didn't really like the harshness of the mid-range sound. I went with Magnaflow's and I'm really happy with them. Pleasantly loud when your foot is in it and pretty quiet when cruising. -Randy Thomas Witt wrote: > As a general question I was curious if others who have used Flowmaster > mufflers found them to be too "Boomy," -especially in the 2,000-2,500 RPM > range. I am experiencing a resonance in the described RPM range that is > almost unbearable. > > While not a Tiger, I am running their "supposedly quieter" 50 series on a > Mopar 318, stock manifolds into a single 3" pipe, plumbed out to the back. > The car is relatively well insulated, nothing is contacting, and everything > is hung on rubber supports. > > If this is a common issue with the Flowmaster does anyone have a remedy ? > I'll be listening (with ringing ears) for a reply. > > Thanks, Tom > > -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ@cs.com Tiger- B382000189 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 15:48:02 2009 From: "michael king" To: CoolVT@aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:47:44 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Barrett-Jackson Arizona 2009 regarding classic values, i think that we saw a lot of speculators get involved in the market and force the prices of muscle cars in both USA and Australia way out of control. the issue being people started buying them and turnign them over quickly. The problem with this is that the people doing it are not really enthusiasts.. they are buying them to make money. I think the Tigers, while moving strongly up in the market are largely bought by people who really want them, not speculators. Hence our prices are a little more stable as the cars are more a niche market of enthusiasts.. its not like many people know what they even are. During the downturn its the normal cars that generally get hit.. a guy with a shelby cobra is not concerned about where the next mortgage payment is coming from.. a guy with a healey sprtie is.. they will turn the sprite over for a quick $.. but the people in that market are probably a bit n the lean side too.. you have a cobra or a ferrari 250GTO.. there are always more people than cars and som,ene willing to pay a premium to get it if someone HAD to sell it. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 16:18:06 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@Autox.Team.Net" Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:16:22 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? A.C.'s comment here about the number of chambers is pretty critical IMO to determining why some like their flowmasters and some don't....and unfortunately they all look a lot alike from the outside. 2 chambered are pretty standard, the 3 chambered are noticably quiter and likewise the single chamber race muffler is pretty loud. maybe that is why some sound ok and some find them harsh. I have Stainless Bassani mufflers on my mustang right now but I've had 2 chambered flowmasters...with 2.25 and thought it sounded pretty good....but I like loud. Tom - did you say in previous threads if yours are 2 chamber, 3 chamber or one of flowmasters other product lines? Cullen Subject: Re: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? Tom, I am using the supposedly louder two chamber Flowmasters on my Mustang GT and love them. I don't have any problems with resonance at any speed while having a very nice sound at idle and under acceleration. The harder I accelerate, the better it sounds. This a true dual system with only the Flowmaster mufflers and tail pipes changed with an increase in diameter from 2.25" to 2.50". I wonder if the boominess could be due to it being a single pipe system with a fairly large diameter pipe? I think Owain's suggestion to add a glasspack in series would probably be the easy and cheap solution whatever the cause. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:24 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? > > As a general question I was curious if others who have used > Flowmaster mufflers found them to be too "Boomy," > -especially in the 2,000-2,500 RPM range. I am experiencing a > resonance in the described RPM range that is almost unbearable. > > While not a Tiger, I am running their "supposedly quieter" > 50 series on a Mopar 318, stock manifolds into a single 3" > pipe, plumbed out to the back. > The car is relatively well insulated, nothing is contacting, > and everything is hung on rubber supports. > > If this is a common issue with the Flowmaster does anyone > have a remedy ? > I'll be listening (with ringing ears) for a reply. > > Thanks, Tom > > > [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried > to parse but could not find any section which it could > render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this > outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1893 - Release > Date: 1/14/2009 > 6:59 AM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 16:41:13 2009 From: Stephen Waybright To: CoolVT@aol.com, michael king Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:40:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Barrett-Jackson Arizona 2009 I agree with Michael. As has been demostrated with the crazy oil and real estate price rises and subsequent crash, once there are enough speculators in the market, there can be a wildly distorted (high) demand signal from what exists in the actual free market. The collector cars that have been attracting speculative buyers, are the cars that will take the biggest hit now that conservatism is squeezing speculation out of most investing behavior. Tiger values should be pretty stable by comparison, save for the over-paid (>$70k) white Tiger that sold at a recent auction and quickly showed up on eBay. My economics learning: speculative investing (not to be confused with hedging) can destroy the free market system and should be tightly regulated (if not flat out prohibited on commodities). Stephen Waybright --- On Thu, 1/15/09, michael king wrote: > From: michael king > regarding classic values, i think that we saw a lot of > speculators get > involved in the market and force the prices of muscle cars > in both USA and > Australia way out of control. the issue being people > started buying them and > turnign them over quickly. The problem with this is that > the people doing it > are not really enthusiasts.. they are buying them to make > money. > > I think the Tigers, while moving strongly up in the market > are largely > bought by people who really want them, not speculators. > Hence our prices are > a little more stable as the cars are more a niche market of > enthusiasts.. > its not like many people know what they even are. > > During the downturn its the normal cars that generally get > hit.. a guy with > a shelby cobra is not concerned about where the next > mortgage payment is > coming from.. a guy with a healey sprtie is.. they will > turn the sprite over > for a quick $.. but the people in that market are probably > a bit n the lean > side too.. you have a cobra or a ferrari 250GTO.. there are > always more > people than cars and som,ene willing to pay a premium to > get it if someone > HAD to sell it. > > -- > Regards > > Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 17:36:23 2009 From: "Joe Parlanti" To: "'Thomas Witt'" , Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:35:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? I run FlowMasters on my car with an H pipe and 2" tube. I personally like the way it sounds, but some may think it a bit loud. At idle the sound is nice and quiet, but when you stuff your foot in it, things get loud quickly. Joe Parlanti B382000026 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 4:24 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? As a general question I was curious if others who have used Flowmaster mufflers found them to be too "Boomy," -especially in the 2,000-2,500 RPM range. I am experiencing a resonance in the described RPM range that is almost unbearable. While not a Tiger, I am running their "supposedly quieter" 50 series on a Mopar 318, stock manifolds into a single 3" pipe, plumbed out to the back. The car is relatively well insulated, nothing is contacting, and everything is hung on rubber supports. If this is a common issue with the Flowmaster does anyone have a remedy ? I'll be listening (with ringing ears) for a reply. Thanks, Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 17:55:10 2009 From: sjhcobra1@cs.com To: atwittsend@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:54:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? Tom: I am using Dynomax Super Turbos on three Tigers and two Mustangs and like them a lot.? They're mellow with a nice rumble. Steve Halbrook -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Witt To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 4:23 pm Subject: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? As a general question I was curious if others who have used Flowmaster mufflers found them to be too "Boomy," -especially in the 2,000-2,500 RPM range. I am experiencing a resonance in the described RPM range that is almost unbearable. While not a Tiger, I am running their "supposedly quieter" 50 series on a Mopar 318, stock manifolds into a single 3" pipe, plumbed out to the back. The car is relatively well insulated, nothing is contacting, and everything is hung on rubber supports. If this is a common issue with the Flowmaster does anyone have a remedy ? I'll be listening (with ringing ears) for a reply. Thanks, Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1893 - Release Date: 1/14/2009 6:59 AM Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 17:57:00 2009 From: Steve Sage To: gswaybright@yahoo.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:56:33 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Barrett-Jackson/Speculation I've written a long winded piece in response to Stephen's statement about futures/commodities speculation, so hit the delete button if you don't want to read non-Tiger content. Steve Sage Hello Stephen: I usually don't like to get into a financial or political discussion on our list as it may be inappropriate for all of us Tiger nuts, but this needs clarification. You are wrong about thinking that restricting or outlawing commodity speculation would be a good thing. Individual investors/speculators take the risk out of the market for the big institutional investors. Those big guys hedge and speculate so they can be sure of the net price they will pay for their raw materials for their production (whatever their product is) in the future. The smaller investors/speculators take the losses if prices go the wrong way for them, but of course also make money if prices go their way. Those millions of small "speculators" around the world take the risk out of future production planning for the companies that make the products we buy. The big companies/institutional investors who make the things we buy often hedge their futures trading so that if prices go their way they may make a little money, but also if prices go the wrong way they won't loose too much, and can stay in business and plan for the future. Those big institutional investors are not in the futures markets to make a bundle. They usually don't. They loose just as often. They are in so they can plan for stable pricing for their future raw materials purchases. Averaged out, the millions of small investors/traders do sometimes make a lot of money, but they often loose as much as they gain. I don't want to go on for pages but futures/commodities trading does in fact keep prices pretty stable, and just as important prevents shortages. The old communist world had very low, government mandated pricing alright. There just usually wasn't anything on the shelves to buy with your rubles. If you took away the speculators, there would be no money in the markets for the big institutional investors to hedge against. There are always short term exceptions, like oil prices being driven up to $150 a barrel last year. When that happens, everyone calls for a big investigation to investigate the "evil oil companies". However, oil companies largely don't set the price of oil, the free market does. Now that oil is down to under $50 a barrel, it's "funny" that I don't hear a single call from anyone to investigate why prices are way down. It must be some kind of conspiracy, right? In truth, lots of traders have lost a bundle betting prices would keep going up. If they're willing to take the risk, they have to have the chance of making a profit too. The first futures/commodities market was stared in Europe in around 1100 AD, for exactly the above reasons. It's worked pretty good for the last 900 years, so I think I'll stick with it. Steve Sage Stephen Waybright wrote: > > My economics learning: speculative investing (not to be confused with hedging) can destroy the free market system and should be tightly regulated (if not flat out prohibited on commodities). > > Stephen Waybright > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11550 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 18:00:41 2009 From: Stephen Waybright To: tigers@autox.team.net, sjhcobra1@cs.com Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:00:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? I'm tempted to try those.. I have the FlowMaster 40 (2 chamber), the sound isreally cool for a little while, but just too loud to not draw all kinds of unwanted attention most the time. My wife and 6 year old kids don't like it. Stephen --- On Thu, 1/15/09, sjhcobra1@cs.com wrote: > From: sjhcobra1@cs.com > Subject: Re: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? > To: atwittsend@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 7:54 PM > Tom: > > I am using Dynomax Super Turbos on three Tigers and two > Mustangs and like them a lot.? They're mellow with a > nice rumble. > > Steve Halbrook _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 19:21:22 2009 From: "Robin Young" To: "'Thomas Witt'" , Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:20:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? Tom, I used the Flowmaster Tri Delta mufflers with a cross over pipe. There is a nice rumble at low RPM and a much quieter sound at cruise. This is different than the series 40 that get louder with additional power. Robin Young _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 19:33:33 2009 From: 65tiger@comcast.net To: Thomas Witt Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 02:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? I used the Flowmaster 50 mufflers with H pipe on 2.25 exhaust. It was "loud". Very nice to listen to at the light, pretty nice sound until you put your foot in it. Then it was very loud. After three years, I changed to Dynomax. Sometimes I missed the noise. But not enough to switch back. Curtis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Witt" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:23:52 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? As a general question I was curious if others who have used Flowmaster mufflers found them to be too "Boomy," -especially in the 2,000-2,500 RPM range. I am experiencing a resonance in the described RPM range that is almost unbearable. While not a Tiger, I am running their "supposedly quieter" 50 series on a Mopar 318, stock manifolds into a single 3" pipe, plumbed out to the back. The car is relatively well insulated, nothing is contacting, and everything is hung on rubber supports. If this is a common issue with the Flowmaster does anyone have a remedy ? I'll be listening (with ringing ears) for a reply. Thanks, Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1893 - Release Date: 1/14/2009 6:59 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 20:07:05 2009 From: To: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:06:34 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Amtrak Ad Tiger folks, Thought I'd send over a link to an advertisement that appeared in this past Monday's Washington Post. It's an ad for Amtrak's Auto Train and features one of our favorite cars. I wonder if they were influenced by the several of us who traveled with our cars on the Auto Train to TEAE United XXVII in Daytona Beach last year. http://www1.snapfish.com/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=263511313/a=7460927_7460 927/t_=7460927 Cheers, Joe Parlanti B382000026 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 20:23:04 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:23:38 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? Thank you to everyone who has (or may) chime in. Just to answer a few statements/questions. When I said "Boomy" I meant the resonance was so pronounced it was disturbing to deal with. Maybe it wasn't the best of terms. I think in an open Tiger noise is more palatable than in an enclosed car. On this car (Plymouth Valiant) a single exhaust is easier to snake by the gas tank. That is why I chose to use it. The 3" (7.07 sq.in.) single exhaust is about equivalent to dual 2-1/8" (7.16 sq.in.) pipes. That doesn't seem to be over kill there. An "H" or "X" pipe is irrelevant in a single exhaust. Within 2 feet of leaving the exhaust manifolds the are constantly merged. Ironically it is only at about 4-5,000 RPM that I notice a minor gain in performance over the choked down, single 2" pipe and stock muffler I originally was running. Ugghhhh, I won't tell of the "days" of labor I spent putting this together from a bunch of stuff I had lying around. I really though with the merged single exhaust and the three chamber 50 series it would be quieter, but then I have been wrong before. Thanks again everyone for the input. We can now return to our drama "Tiger bidding on Ebay." :-) Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1893 - Release Date: 1/14/2009 6:59 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 21:45:17 2009 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: Thomas Witt , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:44:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? I had Series 50 Flowmasters on my previous Tiger and experienced the same affect. My term for describing the boominess was "waffling" in that it seemed to be a pulsing pressure, similar to driving a late model 4 door with only the rear windows open (if you've ever experienced that!). My current Tiger has Dynomax mufflers and I could not be happier with them. Quiet(ish) when cruising and plenty loud when under hard acceleration. If you would like to hear these mufflers go to the following link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPzD8HHP-ww The recording on youtube was courtesy of Tim Ronak and was recorded the CAT Dyno Day in March 2008. Jere Teepen -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:24 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? Thank you to everyone who has (or may) chime in. Just to answer a few statements/questions. When I said "Boomy" I meant the resonance was so pronounced it was disturbing to deal with. Maybe it wasn't the best of terms. I think in an open Tiger noise is more palatable than in an enclosed car. On this car (Plymouth Valiant) a single exhaust is easier to snake by the gas tank. That is why I chose to use it. The 3" (7.07 sq.in.) single exhaust is about equivalent to dual 2-1/8" (7.16 sq.in.) pipes. That doesn't seem to be over kill there. An "H" or "X" pipe is irrelevant in a single exhaust. Within 2 feet of leaving the exhaust manifolds the are constantly merged. Ironically it is only at about 4-5,000 RPM that I notice a minor gain in performance over the choked down, single 2" pipe and stock muffler I originally was running. Ugghhhh, I won't tell of the "days" of labor I spent putting this together from a bunch of stuff I had lying around. I really though with the merged single exhaust and the three chamber 50 series it would be quieter, but then I have been wrong before. Thanks again everyone for the input. We can now return to our drama "Tiger bidding on Ebay." :-) Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1893 - Release Date: 1/14/2009 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 16 05:54:36 2009 From: Randy Smith To: parlanti@comcast.net Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 07:54:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Amtrak Ad Wow Joe- How amazing is it to see an accurately drawn and unmistakable Sunbeam image in a modern ad? Either the someone who works for Amtrack's ad agency is a Sunbeam fan or somebody took or ran across a picture of one that was used as a template. I suppose they could have been taking PR pictures the day folks were headed to United last year. Either way, that's kind of amazing! -Randy parlanti@comcast.net wrote: > Tiger folks, > > Thought I'd send over a link to an advertisement that appeared in this > past Monday's Washington Post. It's an ad for Amtrak's Auto Train and > features one of our favorite cars. I wonder if they were influenced by > the several of us who traveled with our cars on the Auto Train to TEAE > United XXVII in Daytona Beach last year. > > http://www1.snapfish.com/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=263511313/a=7460927_7460 > 927/t_=7460927 > > Cheers, > > Joe Parlanti > B382000026 -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ@cs.com Tiger- B382000189 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 16 08:09:32 2009 From: BEAU2EVE@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:09:02 EST Subject: [Tigers] fresh air vents Hi everyone, while I'm here in Florida staying relatively warm I' am trying to figure out a way to get some cool air in the Tigers foot well area. My car is a 1964 ,so the vents are closed. Has any one cut them open and come up with a solution to keep the rain out? Vent boxes from a newer car aren't seen on Ebay to dam often,ya know. I was also thinking of making some type of scoop to attach to the exsisting vent opening to push more air through. What are your thoughs on this guys. Beau 9470951 **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 16 10:52:14 2009 From: Rob Guerra To: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:51:47 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] fresh air vents Take a look at the tech tip on www.tigerengineering.net. Vents are easy. Try Patrick king at patrick@lgsrc.com 408-529-8189 for the parts. He has them normally. Rob On 1/16/09 7:09 AM, "BEAU2EVE@aol.com" wrote: > Hi everyone, while I'm here in Florida staying relatively warm I' am trying > to figure out a way to get some cool air in the Tigers foot well area. My car > is a 1964 ,so the vents are closed. Has any one cut them open and come up > with a solution to keep the rain out? Vent boxes from a newer car aren't seen > on Ebay to dam often,ya know. I was also thinking of making some type of > scoop > to attach to the exsisting vent opening to push more air through. What are > your thoughs on this guys. > > > Beau 9470951 > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http: > //www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De > cemailfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 16 14:13:40 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: "Teepen, Jere" Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:13:12 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? A bit remembered: When I purchased a 1941 Ford Convertible I had "GlassPacks" (or CherryBombs" installed. It wasn't TOO loud. "GlassPacks" were the muffler of the era, and regularly blew out the fiberglass stuffing and became VERY loud. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasspack My 1951 MG-TD had a "GlassPack" and a "cut-out" exhaust pipe swapper to a straight through pipe. The "cut-out" was a bolt on from the Pep Boys, and would leak through the "sandwich seal". Had to replace it with a simple "Y", and put a large plumbing plug at the end of the tail pipe. OK when through the GlassPack, and multi-loud with the straight pipe. My 1954 XK120M had the factory exhaust with dual muffler cores inside a single outer wrap, and twin exhaust systems for front and rear 3 cylinders all the way to the rear. NON "M" versions had only one muffler, and later XK140 models had separated exhausts. The 120M set-up was the BEST sounding ever. So, to answer the question "How loud is too loud?", there ARE authorities on the subject. They usually have the same first name - "Officer" Most municipalities, and even states, have "noise abatement" regulations and significant fines requiring proof of "fixing" at an authorized repair station. I know, I've met them. In the early days they seemed to hate "foreign cars" and hot-rods. As I dimly recall, 110 db is the max allowed by statute. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Teepen, Jere wrote: > If you would like to hear these mufflers go to the following link: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPzD8HHP-ww > The recording on youtube was courtesy of Tim Ronak and was recorded the CAT > Dyno Day in March 2008. > > Jere Teepen > <==== snip ====> _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 16 16:54:22 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:53:54 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Engine decal done....and done very well. A happy Friday evening to you all, The engine decal was had stamped by Larry Atkisson for $35. Here is his email - catkisson@aol.com http://e28-535i.com/upload/tgr2.JPG You can see the progress on the engine here - http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9028 Thanks for looking Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 16 18:29:41 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: "Teepen, Jere" , Steve Laifman Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:29:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? The thing that aggervates me the most is that 18 wheelers make a ton louder noise but the Officer person picks on the sports car/hot rod person- maybe because he is going thru residential sections as opposed to main highways. Ive read all this discussion about mufflers. I still have an orginal set of Tiger exhaust. They couldnt be used, Im sure but Ive saved them to be used as templates. One thing I remember tho is that the exhaust had a sweet . tuned sound. It wasnt loud but had a nice throaty sound./ A larger cammed engine made the sound even nicer to hear, especially when downshifting as during hard braking to assist the Tiger to stop in time. I have no idea if a stock type exhaust is still available. The one i have was purchased in the mid- maybe even early 70s. I dont remember where it was ordered from but it matched the stock exhaust that was rusting out on the 1A I was driving at the time. Here in southern IL. we have a ton of Harleys( Im sure thats the same everywhere) and many of the older models, including mine have drag pipes or even the baffles removed from stock mufflers- they are loud but that Officer guy doesnt mess with anyone. Im sure on ocassion some ate up officer checks for baffl;es etc but Ive not heard of anyone in southern Il. getting a ticket for loud exhaust. Of course we still dont have car inspection or smog inspections like you guys on the wrong coast BUT Im sure our day is coming. regards to the LIST. TonytheTiger --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Steve Laifman wrote: > From: Steve Laifman > Subject: Re: [Tigers] FlowMaster too loud? > To: "Teepen, Jere" > Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" > Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 3:13 PM > A bit remembered: > > When I purchased a 1941 Ford Convertible I had > "GlassPacks" (or CherryBombs" installed. It > wasn't TOO loud. "GlassPacks" were the > muffler of the era, and regularly blew out the fiberglass > stuffing and became VERY loud. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasspack > > My 1951 MG-TD had a "GlassPack" and a > "cut-out" exhaust pipe swapper to a straight > through pipe. The "cut-out" was a bolt on from > the Pep Boys, and would leak through the "sandwich > seal". Had to replace it with a simple "Y", > and put a large plumbing plug at the end of the tail pipe. > OK when through the GlassPack, and multi-loud with the > straight pipe. > > My 1954 XK120M had the factory exhaust with dual muffler > cores inside a single outer wrap, and twin exhaust systems > for front and rear 3 cylinders all the way to the rear. NON > "M" versions had only one muffler, and later XK140 > models had separated exhausts. The 120M set-up was the BEST > sounding ever. > > So, to answer the question "How loud is too > loud?", there ARE authorities on the subject. They > usually have the same first name - "Officer" > > Most municipalities, and even states, have "noise > abatement" regulations and significant fines requiring > proof of "fixing" at an authorized repair station. > I know, I've met them. In the early days they seemed > to hate "foreign cars" and hot-rods. > > As I dimly recall, 110 db is the max allowed by statute. > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > Teepen, Jere wrote: > > If you would like to hear these mufflers go to the > following link: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPzD8HHP-ww > > The recording on youtube was courtesy of Tim Ronak and > was recorded the CAT > > Dyno Day in March 2008. > > > > Jere Teepen > > > <==== snip ====> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 16 20:56:32 2009 From: "George Re" To: "tigers" Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:56:04 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Door seal Furflex Would anyone know how long of a piece of furflex( door seal) is needed to do one door opening? Thanks George _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 17 08:22:04 2009 From: Cushcom1@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:21:33 EST Subject: [Tigers] russo tigers Do any listers out there know the results of the two Tigers being offered up by Russo and Steele this weekend in Scottsdale? tigerman **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 17 10:27:33 2009 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: , Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:27:12 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] russo tigers T-man, The green one was scheduled for last night, but the results are not posted on the R&S web site yet. The white one is scheduled for tonight around 9:20. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cushcom1@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:22 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] russo tigers > > Do any listers out there know the results of the two Tigers > being offered up by Russo and Steele this weekend in Scottsdale? > tigerman > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours > in just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747 > /aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc= > 668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De > cemailfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 17 11:29:48 2009 From: "James E. Pickard" To: Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:29:15 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Heater controls face plate I've refinished my walnut dash and it looks great. But the black plate with COLD - WARM - HOT / OFF - CAR - SCREEN looks pretty shabby. Does anybody make a replica? If not, where can I buy little white letters to duplicate the labels? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 17 12:28:44 2009 From: "Ross" To: "'James E. Pickard'" , Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:24:43 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Heater controls face plate Jim, Try Paul Breuhan's place. His work is 1st rate I know personally. Here is the link to his website http://www.breuhan.com Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse Subject: [Tigers] Heater controls face plate I've refinished my walnut dash and it looks great. But the black plate with COLD - WARM - HOT / OFF - CAR - SCREEN looks pretty shabby. Does anybody make a replica? If not, where can I buy little white letters to duplicate the labels? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 17 14:17:47 2009 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: , Tigers Den Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:17:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Heater controls face plate Jim, I am sure I can help you out. I don't have any lettering right now but I am working on getting some. I can provide lettering or do the complete restoration if you wish. Please email me directly and I can put you on my list. Speaking of working...I bought an Autometer Cobra Series 4" Tachometer so I am working on lettering to make up an 8K RPM dial which will match the Sunbeam speedometer...if others are interested. I am also looking for some reference for the earlier Tiger VIN plates (B947 cars)...if anyone has a nice tag complete with all the lettering and can shoot a straight-on high-resolution photograph and email it to me...it would be greatly appreciated. You can blank out your VIN number if you wish. I can piece one together with the JPGs I already have, but I would like to be as accurate as possible. Paul P.S. Thanks Ross for the kind words. ---------------------------------------- > From: geowiz.sgy@cox.net > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:29:15 -0600 > Subject: [Tigers] Heater controls face plate > > I've refinished my walnut dash and it looks great. But the black plate with > COLD - WARM - HOT / OFF - CAR - SCREEN looks pretty shabby. Does anybody make > a replica? If not, where can I buy little white letters to duplicate the > labels? Thanks. > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold > 2003 Mini Cooper > Lafayette, LA _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 17 18:38:40 2009 From: "George Re" To: "tigers" Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:37:48 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Door seal Furflex Hi: Not sure my last Msg.went out (had no replys.) but here is my question. Subject: [Tigers] Door seal Furflex > Would anyone know how long of a piece of furflex( door seal) is needed to > do > one door opening on a Mk1 Tiger?. > > > Thanks > George > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 17 18:43:39 2009 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: mgman71@comcast.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:43:16 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Door seal Furflex George, go measure your door. In a message dated 1/17/2009 5:38:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Mgman71@comcast.net writes: Hi: Not sure my last Msg.went out (had no replys.) but here is my question. Subject: [Tigers] Door seal Furflex > Would anyone know how long of a piece of furflex( door seal) is needed to > do > one door opening on a Mk1 Tiger?. > > > Thanks > George > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 17 19:40:56 2009 From: "Mike Michels" To: "James E. Pickard" , Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:40:34 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Heater controls face plate Doug Jennings of Tiger Auto in Dayton, OH showed some real nice ones at TIgers United last summer. I think he requires your old one back as a core. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James E. Pickard" To: Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: [Tigers] Heater controls face plate > I've refinished my walnut dash and it looks great. But the black plate > with > COLD - WARM - HOT / OFF - CAR - SCREEN looks pretty shabby. Does anybody > make > a replica? If not, where can I buy little white letters to duplicate the > labels? Thanks. > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold > 2003 Mini Cooper > Lafayette, LA > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 18 06:36:01 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'George Re'" , "'tigers'" Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:35:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Door seal Furflex George That seal is in 2 parts; see part WS55 under windshields and seals @ Sunbeam Specialties. http://www.rootes.com/catalogindex.html Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Re Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:38 PM To: tigers Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Door seal Furflex Hi: Not sure my last Msg.went out (had no replys.) but here is my question. Subject: [Tigers] Door seal Furflex > Would anyone know how long of a piece of furflex( door seal) is > needed to > do > one door opening on a Mk1 Tiger?. > > > Thanks > George > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1899 - Release Date: 1/17/2009 5:50 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 18 08:50:39 2009 From: "Ronak, TP (Timothy)" To: "James E. Pickard" Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:49:53 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Heater control James, There was a fellow at the Tigers united in Big Bear that redid these on an exchange basis. They looked PERFECT. Unfortunately I do not recall his name but he was one of the guys that had a vendor table and my old brain won't recall his name although I can see his face plain as day .... Any one care to help us out ... he was in the back left corner of the vendor room and as I recall he had nice Aluminum Rads as well.. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc. 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 PH: 949-305-5393 Cell: 949-289-3357 FX: 425-955-6268 Email: timothy.ronak@crna.akzonobel.com Personal Email: timronak@cox.net If you received this message in error please inform the sender and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 18 09:18:04 2009 From: "Mike Michels" To: "Ronak, TP \(Timothy\)" , "James E. Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:17:43 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Heater control That was Doug Jennings of TIger Auto in Dayton Ohio. I'm told that Doug has retired and closed the shop, so perhaps he sold out the inventory. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronak, TP (Timothy)" To: "James E. Pickard" Cc: "Tiger News Group List" Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: [Tigers] Heater control > James, > > There was a fellow at the Tigers united in Big Bear that redid these on > an exchange basis. They looked PERFECT. Unfortunately I do not recall > his name but he was one of the guys that had a vendor table and my old > brain won't recall his name although I can see his face plain as day > .... Any one care to help us out ... he was in the back left corner of > the vendor room and as I recall he had nice Aluminum Rads as well.. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Tim Ronak > > Services Consultant > > Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc. > > 23961 Via El Rocio > > Mission Viejo, CA 92691 > > PH: 949-305-5393 > > Cell: 949-289-3357 > > FX: 425-955-6268 > > Email: timothy.ronak@crna.akzonobel.com > > > Personal Email: timronak@cox.net > > > > If you received this message in error please inform the sender and > delete the message. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 18 10:38:31 2009 From: "Buck Trippel" To: "Mike Michels" , "Ronak, TP \(Timothy\)" Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:38:00 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Heater control I spoke with Doug today. He is closing his "Tiger Auto" business but will continue to work on Tiger's "as a hobby". He'll be at the same location which he plans to use as a "clubhouse" for members of the various Tiger clubs. Club members will be able to work on their Sunbeams or just hang out. He doesn't want to make a profit; he just wants to break even. He even plans to sell many Alpine and Tiger parts "at cost". As to the heater control faceplate, he likes to send in batches of about a dozen for restoration and silk screening. He has about ten collected already so he's close to running the batch. He charges $25 to $35, depending on condition. So now is a great time to send him faceplates if you want a quick turn around. His old Tiger Auto phone number (937 252-3317) will be disconnected and he doesn't currently know what the new number will be. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Michels" To: "Ronak, TP (Timothy)" ; "James E. Pickard" Cc: "Tiger News Group List" Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Heater control > That was Doug Jennings of TIger Auto in Dayton Ohio. I'm told that Doug > has retired and closed the shop, so perhaps he sold out the inventory. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ronak, TP (Timothy)" > To: "James E. Pickard" > Cc: "Tiger News Group List" > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:49 AM > Subject: [Tigers] Heater control > > >> James, >> >> There was a fellow at the Tigers united in Big Bear that redid these on >> an exchange basis. They looked PERFECT. Unfortunately I do not recall >> his name but he was one of the guys that had a vendor table and my old >> brain won't recall his name although I can see his face plain as day >> .... Any one care to help us out ... he was in the back left corner of >> the vendor room and as I recall he had nice Aluminum Rads as well.. >> >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> >> >> Tim Ronak >> >> Services Consultant >> >> Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc. >> >> 23961 Via El Rocio >> >> Mission Viejo, CA 92691 >> >> PH: 949-305-5393 >> >> Cell: 949-289-3357 >> >> FX: 425-955-6268 >> >> Email: timothy.ronak@crna.akzonobel.com >> >> >> Personal Email: timronak@cox.net >> >> >> >> If you received this message in error please inform the sender and >> delete the message. >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 18 10:38:45 2009 From: sunbeam john To: , , Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:38:10 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] russo tigers > From: v8tracker@gmail.com> To: Cushcom1@aol.com; tigers@Autox.Team.Net> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:27:12 -0600> Subject: Re: [Tigers] russo tigers> > T-man,> > The green one was scheduled for last night, but the results are not posted> on the R&S web site yet. The white one is scheduled for tonight around 9:20.> > HTH,> A. C. Tynes> New Orleans > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cushcom1@aol.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:22 AM> > To: tigers@autox.team.net> > Subject: [Tigers] russo tigers> > > > Do any listers out there know the results of the two Tigers > > being offered up by Russo and Steele this weekend in Scottsdale?> > tigerman> > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours > > in just 2 easy steps! > > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747> > /aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=> > 668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De> > cemailfooterNO62)> > _______________________________________________> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > > > Tigers@autox.team.net> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers> > > > http://www.team.net/archive> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Tigers@autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers> > http://www.team.net/archiveThe green car received a high bid of $32,500 and was not accepted by the seller. The green Tiger is a number 3 car at best it needs alot of detailing to bring it up to a number 2 car. the seller shoulf have taken the $32K and been happy. Sunbeamjohn _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 18 12:19:01 2009 From: Carmods@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:18:28 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Heater control _mmichels@socal.rr.com_ (mailto:mmichels@socal.rr.com) writes: I'm told that Doug has retired and closed the shop, so perhaps he sold out the inventory. Doug hasn't retired yet. He just isn't accepting any more restoration projects. When he finisher what he has then he will retire. John Logan **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 18 13:20:42 2009 From: "James E. Pickard" To: Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:20:00 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Down-under Tigers? I'm heading for Australia Wednesday for a couple of weeks. I'll be in Sydney, Cairns, Melbourne, and Adelaide. Any Tiger owners in these areas I can meet up with? Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 18 14:57:17 2009 From: "michael king" To: "sunbeam john" Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:56:54 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] russo tigers > green car received a high bid of $32,500 and > was not accepted by the seller. The green Tiger is a number 3 car at best > it > needs alot of detailing to bring it up to a number 2 car. the seller shoulf > have taken the $32K and been happy. > Sunbeamjohn > > Doesn't mean it was a real bid -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 18 21:45:53 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 20:46:26 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] And the winning bidder is... So, do we know who 7***3 is and what he plans to do with his $13,850 "knock down" kit Tiger? No wrong intentions meant here, I'm just curious to see how it will turn out. Tom Witt (9 year project car and counting) [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1893 - Release Date: 1/14/2009 6:59 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 18 21:51:45 2009 From: "michael king" To: "Thomas Witt" Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:51:26 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] And the winning bidder is... Interesting Tiger that one... apparently all there.. apparently much work done.. but really.. unless there is some good documentation you are going to pull the motor down to have a look anyway.. you will need to retrim, prep paint.. basically its a big job.. and you got to hope the boxes of bits are well organised.. still.. lets hope another car on the road soon. Does make you wonder about the comparative value of the 23K "original car" .. i think this one has more than 10K difference in work to do.. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 18 22:40:53 2009 From: Terry Packer To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:40:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Paint/Body Questions Would anyone who's had a shop do significant paint and body work on a Tiger get back to me off-line for a couple questions about your experience? Thanks Terry Packer packertl3@yahoo.com 9470018 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 19 18:05:38 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:04:29 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Fuel resistant paint recommendations Hello all, I have a really nice coat of Ford Corporate Blue on my F4B manifold. I was thinking today about when fuel from the carb or lines gets on it, I KNOW it will, and how to protect the paint. Does anyone know of a clear paint product that I can spray over it to protect the paint? Thanks, Duke B382002037 Fuel resistant paint recommendations _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 19 22:44:39 2009 From: "James E. Pickard" To: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:34:03 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Need another photo Would someone place send me a photo of one of the front hood buffers? I know the old ones weren't installed properly. Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 20 17:51:56 2009 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:51:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 27 Hi Duke and All, About today's paint in a spray can -- I have used different ones all claiming to engine or industrial etc, most I found could be washed off with soap and water, definitely with brake clean, I think you could drink the stuff and it probably wouldn't hurt you much...what I have done on a number of projects is to have single stage epoxy enamel mixed at the auto paint supplier or your local body shop, to match the engine color you want, add hardener and spray...be sure to have the appropriate respirator, this paint will be resistant to fuel, brake clean and general cleaning solutions, it's worth the extra effort for a nice job, Clyde----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 27 > Send Tigers mailing list submissions to > tigers@autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tigers-request@autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tigers-owner@autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Fuel resistant paint recommendations (Samouce's) > 2. Need another photo (James E. Pickard) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:04:29 -0600 > From: "Samouce's" > Subject: [Tigers] Fuel resistant paint recommendations > To: > Message-ID: <000001c97a9b$0c6f2560$254d7020$@rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello all, > > I have a really nice coat of Ford Corporate Blue on my F4B manifold. I > was > thinking today about when fuel from the carb or lines gets on it, I KNOW > it > will, and how to protect the paint. > > Does anyone know of a clear paint product that I can spray over it to > protect the paint? > > Thanks, > Duke > B382002037 > > > Fuel resistant paint recommendations > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:34:03 -0600 > From: "James E. Pickard" > Subject: [Tigers] Need another photo > To: > Message-ID: <9FA2100E1F5E477593D0EAE7C1C2352B@JEPHome> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Would someone place send me a photo of one of the front hood buffers? I > know > the old ones weren't installed properly. Thanks. > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold > 2003 Mini Cooper > Lafayette, LA > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Tigers mailing list > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > End of Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 27 > ************************************* _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 20 17:59:22 2009 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:58:59 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] tiger front hubs Hi Listers, Does any one have a pair of front hubs they would like to sell??? thanks Clyde _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 20 22:27:15 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Samouce's'" , Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:26:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel resistant paint recommendations Duke It just occurred to me you might want to look at the paint they use for radio controlled airplanes. I believe that paint is resistant to the nitro methane fuel mix used in those engines. It seems to me I have seen clear paint in that paint type. The question would be how much heat can it take. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Samouce's Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:04 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Fuel resistant paint recommendations Hello all, I have a really nice coat of Ford Corporate Blue on my F4B manifold. I was thinking today about when fuel from the carb or lines gets on it, I KNOW it will, and how to protect the paint. Does anyone know of a clear paint product that I can spray over it to protect the paint? Thanks, Duke B382002037 Fuel resistant paint recommendations No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1902 - Release Date: 1/19/2009 9:37 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 21 08:37:46 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , "Samouce's" , Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 08:37:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel resistant paint recommendations I used K&B Super-Poxy (that's gotta be at least 25 years ago now) on RC model airplanes where I was using 30 to 35% nitromethane fuel - the remainder was methanol and synthetic oil. The paint does not come off or discolour. I think what you have to worry about is that the clearcoat might lift the Ford Blue, so try a test piece first. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser > Sent: January 20, 2009 10:26 PM > To: 'Samouce's'; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel resistant paint recommendations > > Duke > It just occurred to me you might want to look at the > paint they use for radio controlled airplanes. > I believe that paint is resistant to the nitro methane fuel > mix used in those engines. > It seems to me I have seen clear paint in that paint type. > The question > would be how much heat can it take. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Samouce's > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:04 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Fuel resistant paint recommendations > > > Hello all, > > I have a really nice coat of Ford Corporate Blue on my F4B > manifold. I was thinking today about when fuel from the carb > or lines gets on it, I KNOW it will, and how to protect the paint. > > Does anyone know of a clear paint product that I can spray > over it to protect the paint? > > Thanks, > Duke > B382002037 > > > Fuel resistant paint recommendations > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1902 - Release > Date: 1/19/2009 > 9:37 AM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 21 14:36:56 2009 From: "Jim & Carolyn Burruss" To: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:36:27 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Brake System Recommendations Needed Quite a few years ago, I removed the troublesome brake booster from my 1965 Mk 1 Tiger and installed a smaller bore master cylinder to recover some of the lost line pressure. There was some softening of the pedal, which frequently occurs with increased mechanical and/or hydraulic advantage. I've experienced the same on other cars as well. Having recently gotten the car off jack stands and running after two years, I now find that I'm no longer satisfied with the brake feel. I can lock the brakes, but I would like a firmer pedal -- though not one that requires two feet. In addition, the results of extensive bleeding of the brakes has me puzzled. While there are no discernible bubbles in the ejected fluid, it comes out cloudy, not clear; and sufficient fluid has been used to completely flush the system. Microscopic bubbles, perhaps? If this is air in the fluid, I wonder if it is being drawn in from around the bleed screws. The front calipers have been rebuilt, and the rear slave cylinders have been replaced. There are no leaks. The car is driven occasionally and not hard. As much as I would like a nice, modern, high-tech, 4-wheel-disc brake system, it just isn't in the cards and should not be needed for my use of the car. Should I return to a boosted system? Any suggestions/diagnoses will be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Jim Burruss _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 21 14:45:04 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Jim & Carolyn Burruss" , Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:44:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake System Recommendations Needed Get a helper to push the brake pedal firmly, while you observe the master cylinder in the engine compartment. It helps if you put your hand on the master cylinder and gauge its motion relative to some nearby thing. You may find that you're actually flexing the whole pedal assembly including the firewall area. On another car I built a brace that ran from the strut tower (it was a MacPherson strut front suspension) to the master cylinder base. This noticeably improved the pedal feel and that was with a booster. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim & > Carolyn Burruss > Sent: January 21, 2009 2:36 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Brake System Recommendations Needed > > Quite a few years ago, I removed the troublesome brake > booster from my 1965 Mk > 1 Tiger and installed a smaller bore master cylinder to > recover some of the lost line pressure. There was some > softening of the pedal, which frequently occurs with > increased mechanical and/or hydraulic advantage. I've > experienced the same on other cars as well. > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 21 17:11:55 2009 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com, sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:11:00 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] russo & steele auction fyi, from Russo and Steele Scottsdale 2009: B9470741 Sold $60,500 B382001568LRXFE Sold $43,200 **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 21 17:17:23 2009 From: michael king To: MWood24020@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:17:04 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] russo & steele auction here are the cars: http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/sunbeam_tiger_convertible_/40-1842.html http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/sunbeam_tiger__/40-1885.html -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 21 17:50:22 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: michael.s.king@gmail.com, MWood24020@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:49:48 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] russo & steele auction Cars don't seem that different. I wonder why the difference in price. Mark **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 21 17:52:31 2009 From: michael king To: CoolVT@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:52:11 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] russo & steele auction 2009/1/22 > *Cars don't seem that different. I wonder why the difference in price.* > *Mark* > one (white) sold for 70 last time.. so that person probably thought they got a bargin at 60.. as for the other car.. yeah is comparible.. makes me think mine must be worth good $.. its nicer than both... :-) .. but it aint going to be gogin under the hammer.. EVER! > ** > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 21 17:53:21 2009 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: CoolVT@aol.com, michael.s.king@gmail.com Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:52:53 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] russo & steele auction In a message dated 1/21/2009 4:49:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Cool VT writes: Cars don't seem that different. I wonder why the difference in price. Mark Auctions are strange...group psychology seems to come in to play, quite often...and alcohol. :-) **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 21 21:20:53 2009 From: michael king To: tigers Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:20:21 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] original tiger back on ebay Ok.. so what happened here? I thought it was a very cheap sale at 23K.. so did the buyer find out something that was no good? very odd to see iton again.. and its the same seller. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-tiger-sunbeam-1965-Sunbeam-Tiger-24-957-orig-Miles-1-owner-CA-car_W0QQitemZ320334384159QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item320334384159&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 05:28:48 2009 From: Paul R Sheahan To: tigers , michael king Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 04:27:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] original tiger back on ebay Michael, If you have ever sold anything on ebay, you may have an idea why this item is back up. Paul Paul R Sheahan --- On Wed, 1/21/09, michael king wrote: From: michael king Subject: [Tigers] original tiger back on ebay To: "tigers" Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 11:20 PM Ok.. so what happened here? I thought it was a very cheap sale at 23K.. so did the buyer find out something that was no good? very odd to see iton again.. and its the same seller. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-tiger-sunbeam-1965-Sunbeam-Tiger-2 4-957-orig-Miles-1-owner-CA-car_W0QQitemZ320334384159QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Ca rs_Trucks?hash=item320334384159&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A10%7C39% 3A1%7C240%3A1318 -- Regards Michael King Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 05:50:28 2009 From: Howard gentry To: michael king , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 04:50:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] original tiger back on ebay Aside from the dash stains, the tatty interior, the paint and the engine bay, I can only figure that something is screwy with the under sides or the numbers are from another car..Otherwise, it looks like a $15000 project. Howard The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Wed, 1/21/09, michael king wrote: From: michael king Subject: [Tigers] original tiger back on ebay To: "tigers" Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 11:20 PM Ok.. so what happened here? I thought it was a very cheap sale at 23K.. so did the buyer find out something that was no good? very odd to see iton again.. and its the same seller. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-tiger-sunbeam-1965-Sunbeam-Tiger-2 4-957-orig-Miles-1-owner-CA-car_W0QQitemZ320334384159QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Ca rs_Trucks?hash=item320334384159&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A10%7C39% 3A1%7C240%3A1318 -- Regards Michael King Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 11:43:14 2009 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: Theo Smit Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake System Recommendations Needed Theo might be right but unless your car is alot rustier or weakened than mine I doubt it. I think you should keep bleeding until the fluid comes out clear. Get that helper to provide postive pressure as you loosen/tighten the bleed screws (yes, air can get in there if you are trying to bleed by yourself). Also, you might try changing to stainless steel braided teflon hoses. I got mine from CAT, think they really helped. I have Dale's rear disk kit and a 3/4in dual circuit master. Brakes feel really good.. high pedal (4 wheel disks, you will have some play to take up the drum shoes) and negligible spongyness, just easy modulation by foot pressure. This is all opposed to my other car with totally stock servo'd monkey motion.. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Theo Smit To: Jim & Carolyn Burruss , tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:44:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake System Recommendations Needed Get a helper to push the brake pedal firmly, while you observe the master cylinder in the engine compartment. It helps if you put your hand on the master cylinder and gauge its motion relative to some nearby thing. You may find that you're actually flexing the whole pedal assembly including the firewall area. On another car I built a brace that ran from the strut tower (it was a MacPherson strut front suspension) to the master cylinder base. This noticeably improved the pedal feel and that was with a booster. Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 12:41:24 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, michael king , Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:40:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] original tiger back on ebay The item description says non paying buyer. Steve R _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 13:04:26 2009 From: "J. Nichols" To: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:04:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Facebook Group - Sunbeam Tiger If any on the list belong to Facebook you can join a group I recently created for the Sunbeam Tiger. There already exists groups for Alpine and other Rootes cars but no Tiger. Now there is one. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 14:19:28 2009 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:18:59 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event - Update! All, Due to some conflicts, the date for this event has been changed to Saturday, August 1st in Dayton, OH. This will tie into the Dayton British car show that same weekend. We are working on getting the required TAC inspectors (we need a Senior and at least two junior inspectors). John Engle has graciously offered to help with the logistics. Thanks, John! There will be some cost involved besides the $10 TAC Certificate. This will help defray the costs of the TAC inspectors, and it will be split evenly among the participants. So, the more we have, the cheaper it will be! Send me an email if you are interested. So, please save the date of August 1st for this event. Event: TAC Party Place: Tiger Automotive, Dayton, OH Time: August 1st, 2009 Thanks, Bugz B382000991 B382001465 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 16:36:01 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Theo Smit , garywinblad@comcast.net Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:35:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake System Recommendations Needed To add to Garys post- its very important to have the rear drumb brakes adjusted as tight as posible w/out overtighting the shoes- Im sure you are aware of ths BUT Im throwing it out in case. The self bleeders seem to me to be worth the investment- otherwise a clear tubing and a jar and an assistant keeping the resivoir topped off or him/her pumping. The fluid shoulnt have any bubbles. Also w/ a spare MC cap a power bleeder is easily adaptable or homemade and it works beter than any other method as you get nothing but fresh fluid. I think you start closest to the MC and work to the one farthest away- IF , I have that backwards, someone please correct me as my oldtimers has started earlier than average. best regards, TonytheTiger --- On Thu, 1/22/09, garywinblad@comcast.net wrote: > From: garywinblad@comcast.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake System Recommendations Needed > To: "Theo Smit" > Cc: "Jim & Carolyn Burruss" , tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 12:42 PM > Theo might be right but unless your car is alot rustier or > weakened > than mine I doubt it. > I think you should keep bleeding until the fluid comes out > clear. Get that > helper to provide postive pressure as you loosen/tighten > the bleed > screws (yes, air can get in there if you are trying to > bleed by yourself). > Also, you might try changing to stainless steel braided > teflon hoses. > I got mine from CAT, think they really helped. I have > Dale's rear disk > kit and a 3/4in dual circuit master. Brakes feel really > good.. high pedal > (4 wheel disks, you will have some play to take up the drum > shoes) and > negligible spongyness, just easy modulation by foot > pressure. This is > all opposed to my other car with totally stock servo'd > monkey motion.. > > Gary > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Theo Smit > > To: Jim & Carolyn Burruss , tigers@autox.team.net > > Sent: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:44:44 +0000 (UTC) > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake System Recommendations Needed > > > > Get a helper to push the brake pedal firmly, while you > observe the > > master cylinder in the engine compartment. It helps if you > put your hand > > on the master cylinder and gauge its motion relative to > some nearby > > thing. You may find that you're actually flexing the > whole pedal > > assembly including the firewall area. > > > > On another car I built a brace that ran from the strut > tower (it was a > > MacPherson strut front suspension) to the master cylinder > base. This > > noticeably improved the pedal feel and that was with a > booster. > > > > Theo > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 16:53:00 2009 From: michael king To: achd73@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:52:40 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake System Recommendations Needed > I think you start closest to the MC and work to the one farthest away- IF , > I have that backwards, someone please correct me as my oldtimers has started > earlier than average. > best regards, > TonytheTiger Tony, think its the other way around.. i have always started at the furthest point.. that way you are pushing all the bubels out there.. and cleaning more of the old fluid through. But then again.. maybe i have it ar$e about face :-P ! > > -- > Regards > > Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 16:56:05 2009 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: michael king , "achd73@yahoo.com" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:55:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake System Recommendations Needed Yes, that is backwards. Work from the farthest corner and work our way closer to the MC. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:53 PM To: achd73@yahoo.com Cc: Theo Smit; Jim & Carolyn Burruss; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake System Recommendations Needed > I think you start closest to the MC and work to the one farthest away- > IF , I have that backwards, someone please correct me as my oldtimers > has started earlier than average. > best regards, > TonytheTiger Tony, think its the other way around.. i have always started at the furthest point.. that way you are pushing all the bubels out there.. and cleaning more of the old fluid through. But then again.. maybe i have it ar$e about face :-P ! > > -- > Regards > > Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 18:08:22 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:07:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake System Recommendations Needed When in doubt always check the manual. Manual states: 1 Destroy all vacuum in the servo by repeated operation of the pedal 2 Start with the left hand rear wheel cylinder Generally you start with the longest line from the master and finish with the shortest line. When working on an ABS system always read the manual first; each ABS unit can have a totally different method to bleed the system. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Teepen, Jere Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:56 PM To: michael king; achd73@yahoo.com Cc: Theo Smit; Jim & Carolyn Burruss; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake System Recommendations Needed Yes, that is backwards. Work from the farthest corner and work our way closer to the MC. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:53 PM To: achd73@yahoo.com Cc: Theo Smit; Jim & Carolyn Burruss; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake System Recommendations Needed > I think you start closest to the MC and work to the one farthest away- > IF , I have that backwards, someone please correct me as my oldtimers > has started earlier than average. best regards, > TonytheTiger Tony, think its the other way around.. i have always started at the furthest point.. that way you are pushing all the bubels out there.. and cleaning more of the old fluid through. But then again.. maybe i have it ar$e about face :-P ! > > -- > Regards > > Michael King No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1910 - Release Date: 1/22/2009 6:28 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 20:06:15 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:05:39 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake System Recommendations Needed Ron, and Tigers, Ron is correct. When all else fails, RTFM (Read the XXXXing Manual) TigersUnited.com has a great deal of valuable information on it, and the entire Workshop Manual is just a small tip of the iceberg. Section K (Brakes) http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmk4.asp */"1. Pump the old fluid from the hydraulic system by slackening off the bleed screw furthest from the master cylinder 1/2 to 3/4 of a turn and when the fluid changes to air re tighten the bleed screw. Proceed with the next furthest and finish at the bleed screw nearest the master cylinder in a similar manner. Discard all the old fluid."/ *Entire Manual:* * http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsm1.asp Steve* * ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Ron Fraser wrote: > When in doubt always check the manual. > Manual states: > 1 Destroy all vacuum in the servo by repeated operation of the pedal > 2 Start with the left hand rear wheel cylinder > > Generally you start with the longest line from the master and finish with > the shortest line. > > When working on an ABS system always read the manual first; each ABS unit > can have a totally different method to bleed the system. > > Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 20:07:29 2009 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: , Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:06:50 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake System Recommendations Needed Ron, et al, Unless there were different manuals for left and right-hand drive Tigers, I'll bet that the manual assumes a right hand drive car. I always start with the right rear brake when bleeding a left-hand drive car. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 7:08 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake System Recommendations Needed > > When in doubt always check the manual. > Manual states: > 1 Destroy all vacuum in the servo by repeated operation > of the pedal > 2 Start with the left hand rear wheel cylinder > > Generally you start with the longest line from the master and > finish with the shortest line. > > When working on an ABS system always read the manual first; > each ABS unit can have a totally different method to bleed the system. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Teepen, Jere > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:56 PM > To: michael king; achd73@yahoo.com > Cc: Theo Smit; Jim & Carolyn Burruss; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake System Recommendations Needed > > > Yes, that is backwards. Work from the farthest corner and > work our way closer to the MC. > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of michael king > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:53 PM > To: achd73@yahoo.com > Cc: Theo Smit; Jim & Carolyn Burruss; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake System Recommendations Needed > > > I think you start closest to the MC and work to the one > farthest away- > > IF , I have that backwards, someone please correct me as my > oldtimers > > has started earlier than average. best regards, TonytheTiger > > > Tony, > > think its the other way around.. i have always started at the > furthest point.. that way you are pushing all the bubels out > there.. and cleaning more of the old fluid through. But then > again.. maybe i have it ar$e about face :-P ! > > > > > > -- > > Regards > > > > Michael King > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1910 - Release > Date: 1/22/2009 > 6:28 PM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 20:22:26 2009 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: "A. C. Tynes" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:22:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake System Recommendations Needed Same manual, all Tigers only have a bleeder on the left side. Only one hose brings fluid to the entire rear axle over on the right side and the right side cylinder bleed hole is used for a hardline that takes fluid over to the left side. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: A. C. Tynes To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:06:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake System Recommendations Needed Ron, et al, Unless there were different manuals for left and right-hand drive Tigers, I'll bet that the manual assumes a right hand drive car. I always start with the right rear brake when bleeding a left-hand drive car. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 22:05:22 2009 From: sunbeam john To: , , Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:04:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] russo & steele auction I seen both cars and there was a big difference between the two cars. The green car at best was a number 3- car the white car was a number 1-. sunbeamjohn> From: MWood24020@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:52:53 -0500> To: CoolVT@aol.com; michael.s.king@gmail.com> CC: tigers@autox.team.net; rtscolgan@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] russo & steele auction> > In a message dated 1/21/2009 4:49:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Cool VT > writes:> > Cars don't seem that different. I wonder why the difference in price.> Mark> > > > > > Auctions are strange...group psychology seems to come in to play, quite > often...and alcohol. :-)> > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http ://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De> cemailfooterNO62)> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Tigers@autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers> > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 22:27:09 2009 From: michael king To: tigers Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:26:47 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Monterey historics 2007 video If listers got to this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoGFFpaNEkM and forward to 6;28 you see the SCF tiger... at 7:00 you see david stones? red tiger. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 23 02:46:31 2009 From: "Buck Trippel" To: "michael king" , "tigers" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:45:55 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Monterey historics 2007 video The white Tiger shown at 6:28 is the SCF Tiger being driven through the corkscrew by John Morton. The #40 red Tiger at 7:00 and 10:00 is owned and driven by Dave Lipski. Dave Stone's black HSC Tiger didn't seem to make this video. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael king" To: "tigers" Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:26 PM Subject: [Tigers] Monterey historics 2007 video > If listers got to this video > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoGFFpaNEkM > > and forward to 6;28 you see the SCF tiger... at 7:00 you see david stones? > red tiger. > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 23 08:46:18 2009 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:45:17 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Bleeding Tiger Brakes Solo I have never been happy with the results of doing a solo brake bleed, so I devised a one-man method for power bleeding the brakes on my Tigers. It requires finding an old brake reservoir cap, drilling a hole in the center, and attaching an air hose fitting. I used some old Festo press-fit tubing and hardware I had, but any < NPT quick connect hardware found at a hardware store can be used. Your cap doesn't have to be absolutely air-tight, just good enough to maintain a positive pressure inside your reservoir. If your air supply does not have good low-pressure regulation then you need another regulator in-line. Here is the basic procedure once you have devised your power bleeder cap: 1. Grab the turkey baster out of the kitchen drawer while nobody's watching. 2. Pump your brake pedal to remove any vacuum from the booster. 3. Open brake reservoir and stir the muck up with your baster. 4. Suck out all the dirty fluid. Keep a small catch vessel handy so you don't accidentally create additional patina by dripping brake fluid on your paint. 5. Pour in some fresh fluid, stir again and suck out again. Repeat process until reservoir is clear. 6. Fill reservoir with fresh Castrol GT LMA, then screw on your pressurizing cap 7. Set air pressure to 5 ~ 10 psi. 8. Go to left rear bleeder, attach a piece of clear tubing to the bleeder and stick the other end into a suitable OSHA- and EPA-approved mayonnaise jar. 9. Open bleeder slowly until fluid just begins to flow. 10. After a minute or so, shut off the air and slowly push the brake pedal to the floor, then release slowly. This pushes the crud out of the piston area of the M/C that flushing won't remove. 11. Open your air supply again and continue with the power flushing. 12. Watch the color of the fluid, when it is clear you are now ready to close the bleeder and move to the front brakes. 13. While you're here, this is a good time to adjust those rear brakes. 14. IMPORTANT: Keep an eye on your reservoir. When fluid level gets below one quarter full, it's time to shut off the air supply and refill the reservoir. 15. When all brakes have been bled, fill your reservoir, clean the threads of your cap, and seal the system back up. Be sure to double-check that all bleeder screws are tight. 16. Take your Tiger out for a spin. Check for pedal firmness and any pulling or rubbing noises, you may need to readjust those rear brakes. While out, stop and buy a new turkey baster...and maybe some flowers too. I strongly recommend sticking to the DOT4 Castrol GT LMA fluid. It has the right stuff to keep the seals properly swollen and it tolerates moisture better than other brands. The LMA stands for Low Moisture Activity. I will submit this to Tigers United as a Tech Tip with pictures soon. Bugz _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 23 08:59:15 2009 From: "Ronak, TP (Timothy)" To: "Tiger News Group List" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:40:02 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Wheel bleeding Tony, Bleeding the cylinders when using the manual foot pump method typically calls for most distant wheel cylinder from the master but on our cars we need to consider the location of the distribution block in the lower RIGHT frame rail. So Left rear, right rear, Left Front, Right Front (Remember the location of the distribution block) With that said if I was to use a power bleeder that would pressurize the reservoir I would start with the closest and work to the farthest. Right Front, Left Front, Right Rear, Left rear. It is all about pushing the air along .... Since you are not using the manual pump you are not creating any suction on the line and I believe the pressurized reservoir method should be bleed differently. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc. 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 PH: 949-305-5393 Cell: 949-289-3357 FX: 425-955-6268 Email: timothy.ronak@crna.akzonobel.com Personal Email: timronak@cox.net If you received this message in error please inform the sender and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 23 09:11:37 2009 From: "Robert J. Wanty" To: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:11:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Windshield Chrome/ stainless trim My windshield frame was toast so I purchased one from one of the listers; I got the top and side trim on fine but the bottom will come out of the weather strip on one side, it doesn't matter which side it depends on which side I put in first. No amount of bending seems to work either. Are there any tricks to reinstalling the trim, i.e. glue, silicone etc before I turn it into a pretzel? Thanks Bob B382001318 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 23 13:17:27 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:16:50 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bleeding Tiger Brakes Solo My son found a neat accessory for his Alpine, and my Tiger. It is a "Speed Bleeder" fitting for the rear brakes that allows the entire system to be purged WITHOUT someone under the car open/closing rear valve, and someone pumping, and someone refilling M/C. This looks very much like a bleeder fitting, but has a one-way check valve. Once installed by simple change, it only needs to have a clear hose to a jar/can to catch the bleed. Turn the fitting open, then slowly depress the brake pedal until the discharge is clear, and free from bubbles. They can be installed, replacing the rear bleeder valve, and purge the entire system, and just have to be tightened closed after completion of each circuit. I don't remember if I used just one at the rear, or 1 rear and 1 front. Seems to me we purchased a package of two, and shared one each for the Alpine & Tiger. Link to company: http://speedbleeder.zoovy.com/ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) wrote: > I have never been happy with the results of doing a solo brake bleed, so I > devised a one-man method for power bleeding the brakes on my Tigers. It > requires finding an old brake reservoir cap, drilling a hole in the center, > and attaching an air hose fitting. I used some old Festo press-fit tubing and > hardware I had, but any < NPT quick connect hardware found at a hardware store > can be used. Your cap doesn't have to be absolutely air-tight, just good > enough to maintain a positive pressure inside your reservoir. If your air > supply does not have good low-pressure regulation then you need another > regulator in-line. Here is the basic procedure once you have devised your > power bleeder cap: > <==== snip ====> _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 23 15:03:27 2009 From: "Jerry and Marlene VanderPool" To: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:02:49 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] SUNI V Registration form. Hello all; The Registration form, Schedule and Hotel information for SUNI V is now available. Please contact us off line at jrv309@charter.net, thanks and see you there. Jerry and Marlene VanderPool _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 23 15:34:23 2009 From: WHIZZZBANG13@aol.com To: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com, mark.rense@ge.com Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:33:44 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bleeding Tiger Brakes Solo The speed bleeders are indeed a check valve, allowing one person to bleed the brakes as Steve says. I bought five pieces - two for the front, two for the back and one for the clutch slave. Be careful, according to the guy who sold them the fronts and backs are different. I haven't put the brake ones on yet but the clutch slave unit works great, especially considering the weird way you have to contort your hand to get to the bleeder. Fred Baum 9470768 **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 23 15:49:44 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: WHIZZZBANG13@aol.com, SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com, mark.rense@ge.com, Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:47:30 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bleeding Tiger Brakes Solo The speed bleeder company advertised that it made bleeding brakes a "one man job." I actually called one of their dealers and asked how I could pump the brakes and watch the bubbles in a jar under the wheel at the same time. He told me to just use a 10' tube and take the tube and jar with me into the cab of the car;-) Mark **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 23 16:12:18 2009 From: Cushcom1@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:11:46 EST Subject: [Tigers] BLUE TIGER Listers, there must be something funny going on with that blue Tiger listed on e-bay. I have requested twice that the seller send along some undercarriage pix either on e-bay or privately. No response. This car looks chancey to begin with, but with a reported 124k on the odometer the chassis should look pretty good...unless it's been sitting in a mud bog all these years. Can anyone shed any light on the subject? Tigerman **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 23 16:22:05 2009 From: Chris Thompson To: Steve Laifman Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:20:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bleeding Tiger Brakes Solo Yep, got them on almost all my cars..... Steve Laifman wrote: > > > Link to company: http://speedbleeder.zoovy.com/ > > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 23 22:08:03 2009 From: "Peter Laurinaitis" To: Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:07:33 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] LAT oil pan ebay # 370147763329 is this the real deal NOS? what to look out for when buying one of these? thks peter _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 23 23:21:00 2009 From: "Lynn Wall" To: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:20:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bleeding Tiger Brakes Solo I always wondered the same and I used to wonder how many of the bubbles I was seeing were generated just by the long length of the clear tube. I too did not want brake fluid anywhere near my interior. A friend of mine built and used one of these and LOVED it. www.bmw-m.net/TechProc/bleeder.htm Neat idea and pretty easy to make -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:48 PM To: WHIZZZBANG13@aol.com; SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com; mark.rense@ge.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bleeding Tiger Brakes Solo The speed bleeder company advertised that it made bleeding brakes a "one man job." I actually called one of their dealers and asked how I could pump the brakes and watch the bubbles in a jar under the wheel at the same time. He told me to just use a 10' tube and take the tube and jar with me into the cab of the car;-) Mark **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 24 07:25:00 2009 From: "Russ Eshelman" To: "Steve Laifman" , "Rense, Mark \(GE Indust, Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:24:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bleeding Tiger Brakes Solo You can also get them at you local NAPA store or they should be able order them for you. So far I have them installed on my p/u truck, the Tiger brake system, my Alpine brake system and the Alpine's clutch slave, with more cars waiting for them. For what it's worth ..... I think they are great! In case anyone is interested; Speed Bleeder NAPA #675-1565 2 per pack Bleeder Caps NAPA #675-1242 2 per pack Russ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" To: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" Cc: Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bleeding Tiger Brakes Solo > My son found a neat accessory for his Alpine, and my Tiger. It is a > "Speed Bleeder" fitting for the rear brakes that allows the entire > system to be purged WITHOUT someone under the car open/closing rear > valve, and someone pumping, and someone refilling M/C. > > This looks very much like a bleeder fitting, but has a one-way check > valve. Once installed by simple change, it only needs to have a clear > hose to a jar/can to catch the bleed. Turn the fitting open, then > slowly depress the brake pedal until the discharge is clear, and free > from bubbles. > > They can be installed, replacing the rear bleeder valve, and purge the > entire system, and just have to be tightened closed after completion of > each circuit. I don't remember if I used just one at the rear, or 1 > rear and 1 front. Seems to me we purchased a package of two, and shared > one each for the Alpine & Tiger. > > Link to company: http://speedbleeder.zoovy.com/ > > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) wrote: >> I have never been happy with the results of doing a solo brake bleed, so I >> devised a one-man method for power bleeding the brakes on my Tigers. It >> requires finding an old brake reservoir cap, drilling a hole in the center, >> and attaching an air hose fitting. I used some old Festo press-fit tubing and >> hardware I had, but any < NPT quick connect hardware found at a hardware store >> can be used. Your cap doesn't have to be absolutely air-tight, just good >> enough to maintain a positive pressure inside your reservoir. If your air >> supply does not have good low-pressure regulation then you need another >> regulator in-line. Here is the basic procedure once you have devised your >> power bleeder cap: > >> <==== snip ====> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1909 - Release Date: 1/22/2009 7:08 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 24 07:37:43 2009 From: "Russ Eshelman" To: , , Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:37:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bleeding Tiger Brakes Solo Fred ........ Timing is everything ...... I just posted basically the same information! I don't know why the seller would tell you the front are different than the rear. I'm using the same bleeder screw on everything, 3 on the Tiger and 5 on the Alpine, and they all work fine. Am I missing something!? Russ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bleeding Tiger Brakes Solo > The speed bleeders are indeed a check valve, allowing one person to bleed > the brakes as Steve says. > > I bought five pieces - two for the front, two for the back and one for the > clutch slave. Be careful, according to the guy who sold them the fronts and > backs are different. > > I haven't put the brake ones on yet but the clutch slave unit works great, > especially considering the weird way you have to contort your hand to get to > the bleeder. > > Fred Baum > 9470768 > **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay > up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1909 - Release Date: 1/22/2009 7:08 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 24 09:34:05 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:32:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bleeding Tiger Brakes Solo Mark I hope that dealer has a good selection of parts because he does not work on car or if he does I don't want one of his creative fixes. I rarely have a problem bleeding any brakes by myself by just looping the bleeder tube up at least 6 inches to create a column of fluid above the wheel cylinder. Pump the brake pedal and hold a couple seconds so any air bubble will rise in the column and not get sucked back into the cylinder. Pump the pedal the same way a couple more times then check the bleeder tube for air bubbles, contamination and clear fluid then check the reservoir for fluid level. Repeat as needed. Move on to the next wheel cylinder and repeat. After all 4 wheels have been bled check the pedal firmness. If not satisfied with the feel of the brake pedal; start with the rear brake shoes adjustment, they need to be adjusted correctly. If the pedal still feels soft, bleed all the wheel cylinders again. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:48 PM To: WHIZZZBANG13@aol.com; SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com; mark.rense@ge.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bleeding Tiger Brakes Solo The speed bleeder company advertised that it made bleeding brakes a "one man job." I actually called one of their dealers and asked how I could pump the brakes and watch the bubbles in a jar under the wheel at the same time. He told me to just use a 10' tube and take the tube and jar with me into the cab of the car;-) Mark **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1911 - Release Date: 1/23/2009 7:28 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 24 14:13:26 2009 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:12:48 EST Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Pump The fuel pump pumped its last drop. It's getting juice. Buy new if possible? Get it rebuilt? Go to different set up? Suggestions appreciated. B382002560 **************Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 24 14:23:04 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com, Tiger's Den , "Smit, Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:22:46 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Pump Triple A, I am sure you've tried the old "clean the points with a business card" trick. The next option is "thwack it with your bumper shoot", or shoe phone. Then, as a best resort, get the points replaced with a solid circuit switcher, produced, I believe, by Theo Smit. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com AAAGLASSS@aol.com wrote: > The fuel pump pumped its last drop. It's getting juice. Buy new if possible? > Get it rebuilt? Go to different set up? Suggestions appreciated. > > B382002560 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 24 15:17:17 2009 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:16:30 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Pump Used emery cloth on points all it does is click once. Any one have these new in So Cal? VB has them $143.99 delivered. Tried Sunbeam Specialties they don't list a pump. In a message dated 1/24/2009 1:23:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com writes: Triple A, I am sure you've tried the old "clean the points with a business card" trick. The next option is "thwack it with your bumper shoot", or shoe phone. Then, as a best resort, get the points replaced with a solid circuit switcher, produced, I believe, by Theo Smit. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com AAAGLASSS@aol.com wrote: > The fuel pump pumped its last drop. It's getting juice. Buy new if possible? > Get it rebuilt? Go to different set up? Suggestions appreciated. > > B382002560 Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 24 15:39:38 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com, Tiger's Den Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:39:19 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Pump AAA, I don't know if emery cloth is the best tool for that job. I would think that a business card, to clean off particles or contaminants, or a "points file" to get a new surface. The "one click" sounds like it is in the points system, or maybe the mechanical portion of the electro-magnetic diaphragm area is binding. There are LOTS of sources for SU pumps. parts, and service on Goggle search for "SU Fuel Pump" Here is a link with a lot of info. http://homepages.donobi.net/sufuelpumps/sufuelpumparticles.html They offer an overhaul for $55 + parts and shipping. I cannot recommend them because I have never used their services. Rick, at SS, could probably connect you with a service he trusts. Good Luck, Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com AAAGLASSS@aol.com wrote: > Used emery cloth on points all it does is click once. Any one have > these new in So Cal? VB has them $143.99 delivered. Tried Sunbeam > Specialties they don't list a pump. > > In a message dated 1/24/2009 1:23:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com writes: > > Triple A, > > I am sure you've tried the old "clean the points with a business > card" > trick. > > The next option is "thwack it with your bumper shoot", or shoe phone. > > Then, as a best resort, get the points replaced with a solid circuit > switcher, produced, I believe, by Theo Smit. > > Steve > ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com AAAGLASSS@aol.com wrote: > Used emery cloth on points all it does is click once. Any one have > these new in So Cal? VB has them $143.99 delivered. Tried Sunbeam > Specialties they don't list a pump. > > In a message dated 1/24/2009 1:23:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com writes: > > Triple A, > > I am sure you've tried the old "clean the points with a business > card" > trick. > > The next option is "thwack it with your bumper shoot", or shoe phone. > > Then, as a best resort, get the points replaced with a solid circuit > switcher, produced, I believe, by Theo Smit. > > Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 24 15:45:23 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com, Tiger's Den Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:45:06 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Pump WHOOPS! Wrong E-mail address. :-( Ricks address is: Sunbeam Specialties, Inc. Street: 765-A East McGlincy Lane Campbell, CA 95008 Mail: P.O. Box 771 Los Gatos, CA 95031-0771 EMAIL: PHONE: 408 371-1642 FAX: 408 371-8070 Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Laifman wrote: > AAA, > > I don't know if emery cloth is the best tool for that job. I would > think that a business card, to clean off particles or contaminants, or a > "points file" to get a new surface. The "one click" sounds like it is > in the points system, or maybe the mechanical portion of the > electro-magnetic diaphragm area is binding. > > There are LOTS of sources for SU pumps. parts, and service on Goggle > search for "SU Fuel Pump" > > Here is a link with a lot of info. > http://homepages.donobi.net/sufuelpumps/sufuelpumparticles.html > > They offer an overhaul for $55 + parts and shipping. I cannot recommend > them because I have never used their services. > > Rick, at SS, could probably connect you with a service he trusts. > > Good Luck, > > Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 24 17:41:15 2009 From: Tony McNulty To: Steve Laifman , AAAGLASSS@aol.com, Tiger's Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:40:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Pump For really good and non-destructive cleaning, try crocus cloth. TMcN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" To: ; "Tiger's Den" Cc: "Rick McLeod" Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Pump > WHOOPS! Wrong E-mail address. :-( > > Ricks address is: > Sunbeam Specialties, Inc. > Street: 765-A East McGlincy Lane > Campbell, CA 95008 > > Mail: P.O. Box 771 > Los Gatos, CA 95031-0771 > > EMAIL: > PHONE: 408 371-1642 > FAX: 408 371-8070 > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > Steve Laifman wrote: >> AAA, >> >> I don't know if emery cloth is the best tool for that job. I would >> think that a business card, to clean off particles or contaminants, or a >> "points file" to get a new surface. The "one click" sounds like it is >> in the points system, or maybe the mechanical portion of the >> electro-magnetic diaphragm area is binding. >> >> There are LOTS of sources for SU pumps. parts, and service on Goggle >> search for "SU Fuel Pump" >> >> Here is a link with a lot of info. >> http://homepages.donobi.net/sufuelpumps/sufuelpumparticles.html >> >> They offer an overhaul for $55 + parts and shipping. I cannot recommend >> them because I have never used their services. >> >> Rick, at SS, could probably connect you with a service he trusts. >> >> Good Luck, >> >> Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.13/1912 - Release Date: 1/23/2009 6:54 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 09:11:27 2009 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:10:50 EST Subject: [Tigers] Booster hardware Hello, Did the larger booster have a fixing strap on it with a bracket that tied it to the firewall when new? Were there some with it and some without it? Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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This would be in addition to the three bolts that are the main mounting pieces that go through the aluminum part of the servo. Tiger Tom can't remember and so many of us have had the servo in and out over the years. Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 14:30:10 2009 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: , Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:29:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Servo fixing hardware (the strap) I don't have the 7 inch booster, but I seem to recall that it does not have a strap around it. A quick look at my tbon shows no strap in the pictures. I am not sure how it is held in though. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 15:19:47 2009 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: shutchin@netjets.com, Rollright@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:19:10 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Servo fixing hardware (the strap) I have a what looks to be a 7" Girling Booster . It has a V shaped bracket that bolts to the cast body of the booster and the R inside wheel well. Page 20 of brake section in Roots workshop Manual. In a message dated 1/25/2009 1:30:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, shutchin@netjets.com writes: I don't have the 7 inch booster, but I seem to recall that it does not have a strap around it. A quick look at my tbon shows no strap in the pictures. I am not sure how it is held in though. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive B382002560 **************Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 16:56:43 2009 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com, shutchin@netjets.com, Rollright@aol.com, Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:56:03 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Servo fixing hardware (the strap) My late MK IA and Ken Bishop's MK II have no such strap As others said, it has metal bracket bolted to the aluminum body of the booster But this is for the Girling MK I booster. The MK II booster with the split vacuum tank might be different Dave **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 17:41:23 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:40:59 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Lots of work on the Tiger today. I got the heads back from Paul Burke yesterday. He did his usual fantastic work on them. The heads were is really bad shape. Due to at least two bad valve jobs, the seats were really sunk in the head and hardened exhaust valve seats were never installed. Paul installed new Chevy (yes, Chevrolet) valves, intake are 1.72" and exhaust 1.5". He machined three angle seats and the same on the valves. No stones were used; these are knife edged machine cut angles. Follow this link to lots of pictures - http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?p=63929#post63929 Waiting on the radiator and expansion tank to be painted and then it will be about finished.....for now. They are really never finished, are they. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 19:00:33 2009 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net, AAAGLASSS@aol.com Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:59:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Pump Like most things from the 60's that were electro-mechanical, it is better to convert to full solid state when possible. Fuel pumps are a very good example. After enduring many years of issues with the original SU pump, I converted to a solid state pump. End of problem. The points have to carry too much current to allow them to endure for very long. Using a solid state circuit to do the switching greatly improves the lifetime. It's been so long I don't remember who made it, but it looks pretty near the same on the outside and it even sounds the same, for the purists. The big Healeys (and some Jags, IIRC) used the same pump, so check those sources as well. I can't think of any good reason to not to make the change. Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 25 19:07:57 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Samouce's Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:07:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lots of work on the Tiger today. Hi- All the tanks arent made of the same material BUT I do have one thats brass. I dont paint it. I do however use brasso a few times a year to shine that baby up. Just thought I would mention it. I have others that paint makes them look better but the brass one looks great when polished. TonytheTiger --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Samouce's wrote: > From: Samouce's > Subject: [Tigers] Lots of work on the Tiger today. > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 6:40 PM > I got the heads back from Paul Burke yesterday. He did his > usual fantastic > work on them. > > The heads were is really bad shape. Due to at least two > bad valve jobs, the > seats were really sunk in the head and hardened exhaust > valve seats were > never installed. Paul installed new Chevy (yes, Chevrolet) > valves, intake > are 1.72" and exhaust 1.5". He machined three > angle seats and the same on > the valves. No stones were used; these are knife edged > machine cut angles. > > Follow this link to lots of pictures - > http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?p=63929#post63929 > > Waiting on the radiator and expansion tank to be painted > and then it will be > about finished.....for now. They are really never > finished, are they. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 08:56:24 2009 From: "Will Seay" To: , Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:55:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Servo fixing hardware (the strap) Jim, I have never seen a 7" booster with a strap. As far as I know, only the earlier 5" boosters had the strap. B382001570 has a 7" booster and no strap. The booster has been in and out of the car, but I'm the original owner and I have seen every in and out. - Will B382001570 ____________________________ Will Seay wseay@embarqmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:12 PM Subject: [Tigers] Servo fixing hardware (the strap) Hello, .. Did the larger booster (7") have a fixing strap that surrounded the steel vacuum canister on it, with a separate bracket that tied it to the firewall when new? Were there some with it and some without it? This would be in addition to the three bolts that are the main mounting pieces that go through the aluminum part of the servo. Tiger Tom can't remember and so many of us have had the servo in and out over the years. Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 15:57:01 2009 From: To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:56:26 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Bonnet release problem Well as much as I hate to admit it I pulled a dumb shit. I did not get trapped by a cable break as most seem to I have the rod and just screwed up. I remounted the striker plate to the bonnet after having it welded to end wobble problems. I did not take time to be sure it was lined up for proper contact with the latch before closing the bonnet. It is not stuck in the down position. I searched archives for old posts and found one written by Steve Laifman. It indicated the way in was through the grill and removal of the bonnet hinges. One, is this really the best/only way in and how many bolts per hinge are there ? I see 4 threaded parts per hings that have no bolts at all. I assume they are female receptors of a screw from above. In addition I see two bolts per hinge. I assume these are the ones to remove. Thanks for confirming or correctiong me Steve R _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 15:57:11 2009 From: To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:56:40 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Bonnet release problem Well as much as I hate to admit it I pulled a dumb shit. I did not get trapped by a cable break as most seem to I have the rod and just screwed up. I remounted the striker plate to the bonnet after having it welded to end wobble problems. I did not take time to be sure it was lined up for proper contact with the latch before closing the bonnet. It is not stuck in the down position. I searched archives for old posts and found one written by Steve Laifman. It indicated the way in was through the grill and removal of the bonnet hinges. One, is this really the best/only way in and how many bolts per hinge are there ? I see 4 threaded parts per hings that have no bolts at all. I assume they are female receptors of a screw from above. In addition I see two bolts per hinge. I assume these are the ones to remove. Thanks for confirming or correctiong me Steve R _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 16:13:54 2009 From: To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:13:33 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Bonnet release problem Well as much as I hate to admit it I pulled a dumb shit. I did not get trapped by a cable break as most seem to I have the rod and just screwed up. I remounted the striker plate to the bonnet after having it welded to end wobble problems. I did not take time to be sure it was lined up for proper contact with the latch before closing the bonnet. It is not stuck in the down position. I searched archives for old posts and found one written by Steve Laifman. It indicated the way in was through the grill and removal of the bonnet hinges. One, is this really the best/only way in and how many bolts per hinge are there ? I see 4 threaded parts per hings that have no bolts at all. I assume they are female receptors of a screw from above. In addition I see two bolts per hinge. I assume these are the ones to remove. Thanks for confirming or correctiong me Steve R _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 16:25:04 2009 From: "Lynn Wall" To: , Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:24:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bonnet release problem I actually did this TWICE while getting my new LAT hood installed. Removing the bolts is not as difficult as it sounds. I took the ones out that held the hinge to the hood. Once I got them out, I slightly lifted up the leading edge of the hood and moved it around while someone else held the latch open. Took me about 15-20 minutes each time. Definitely 2 or 3 person job to make sure you avoid scratches. 2 on the hood and one on the release. FWIW I did it with 2. Good luck, Lynn -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten@ca.rr.com Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 4:14 PM To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Bonnet release problem Well as much as I hate to admit it I pulled a dumb shit. I did not get trapped by a cable break as most seem to I have the rod and just screwed up. I remounted the striker plate to the bonnet after having it welded to end wobble problems. I did not take time to be sure it was lined up for proper contact with the latch before closing the bonnet. It is not stuck in the down position. I searched archives for old posts and found one written by Steve Laifman. It indicated the way in was through the grill and removal of the bonnet hinges. One, is this really the best/only way in and how many bolts per hinge are there ? I see 4 threaded parts per hings that have no bolts at all. I assume they are female receptors of a screw from above. In addition I see two bolts per hinge. I assume these are the ones to remove. Thanks for confirming or correctiong me Steve R Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 26 20:33:28 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:32:56 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bonnet release problem Steve R and Tigers, Yes, that's how I did it to install the LAT hood. This hood also had a metal plate at the rear to hold the striker. Lot of sweat until I learned the method. Once correctly aligned, front and rear, and with removal of enough front shims to get the thicker glass hood to be flush in front, and enough turns of the rear "prong" to ensure locking - but capable of release or your in BIG trouble. Had to cut the rear rubber bumpers down to allow the rear of the hood to be flush, as well. Keep all removed items, in case. I posted detail instructions, and pictures of my installation partway down the page: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-body9.asp This was August, 1999, and never had a problem since. Had both front and rear embedded plates for fastening original hinges and rear latch - NO chrome posts! Luck, Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com sralsten@ca.rr.com wrote: > Well as much as I hate to admit it I pulled a dumb shit. I did not get trapped by a cable break as most seem to I have the rod and just screwed up. I remounted the striker plate to the bonnet after having it welded to end wobble problems. I did not take time to be sure it was lined up for proper contact with the latch before closing the bonnet. It is not stuck in the down position. > > I searched archives for old posts and found one written by Steve Laifman. > It indicated the way in was through the grill and removal of the bonnet hinges. > > One, is this really the best/only way in and how many bolts per hinge are there ? > I see 4 threaded parts per hings that have no bolts at all. I assume they are female receptors of a screw from above. In addition I see two bolts per hinge. > I assume these are the ones to remove. Thanks for confirming or correctiong me > > Steve R _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 08:02:39 2009 From: "Russ and Tammy C." To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 07:02:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Temp sending unit install What is the answer for putting the temp sending unit into an f4b edelbrock manifold on a 302? Is there a comparable unit that would just fit ? I want to do away with the hose inserted mess of the 260. Thank you. Russ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 08:15:55 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: rtscolgan@yahoo.com, Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:15:12 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Temp sending unit install Russ, There is another brand of sender that comes with 2 adapters (with NPT) that will screw into the 1/2" NPT on your intake. The sender screws into one of these adapters. The reading is perfect when compared with a stock unit. A second and harder method that I've also done is to get a brass adapter at HD 1/2" male NPT x 1/4" NPT female. I drilled it out and tapped if for straight threads to fit the standard adapter. Both are actually still in my car and when I swap the wires from one to the other, I get the exact same reading. Option #1 is really much easier. If you need the info on it, let me know and I'll dig out the part # and supplier. Mark **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 09:55:02 2009 From: "Mike Michels" To: , , Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:54:42 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Temp sending unit install I used one by AutoMeter that fits this description and is as accurate as you can get with Smiths guages. I checked the resistance curve versus some published articles at TigersUnited.com and it tracks exactly. Commonly available from places like Summit Racing, but I don't recall the model number. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Temp sending unit install > Russ, > There is another brand of sender that comes with 2 adapters (with NPT) > that > will screw into the 1/2" NPT on your intake. The sender screws into one > of > these adapters. The reading is perfect when compared with a stock unit. > A second and harder method that I've also done is to get a brass adapter > at > HD 1/2" male NPT x 1/4" NPT female. I drilled it out and tapped if for > straight threads to fit the standard adapter. > Both are actually still in my car and when I swap the wires from one to > the > other, I get the exact same reading. > Option #1 is really much easier. If you need the info on it, let me know > and I'll dig out the part # and supplier. > Mark > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De > cemailfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 10:09:22 2009 From: "Thomas Prager" To: "tigers_United_forum" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:09:04 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Temp sending unit install The Autometer temperature sender that will work with the stock Jaeger gauge is Model 2254 tom I used one by AutoMeter that fits this description and is as accurate as you can get with Smiths guages. I checked the resistance curve versus some published articles at TigersUnited.com and it tracks exactly. Commonly available from places like Summit Racing, but I don't recall the model number. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 10:12:51 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Jim & Carolyn Burruss" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:12:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake System Recommendations Needed I was spelunking under the dash of my Tiger last night, making some room for a brake pedal installation. There is a fore/aft trapezoidal reinforcing rib that runs from the windshield base / fresh-air duct box to the firewall, between the clutch and brake pedal assemblies. This reinforcing rib should add a great deal of rigidity to the pedal assemblies. However, on my car, the lower spot weld that attaches that rib to the firewall was pretty much nonexistent, and a little bit of flexing of the rib popped it loose. The next weld up is (apparently) way up near the cowl itself so it doesn't contribute much to the overall rigidity of the pedal assembly. If this has happened to your Tiger then I could see where the brake pedal feel would be more squishy than with other Tigers... Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 10:56:04 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Tigers@autox.team.net, "Russ and Tammy C." Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:54:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Optional F4B temp sending threads LIST question Does anyone know if the F4B that was an orginal Tiger option had the correct temp sending unit threads when delivered. I am thinking if the stock sending unit fits the F4B it would be the only proof that it was/is an orginal optional intake that doesnt match the later ones sold for other than Tiger SBF engines. Knowledge or thoughts on this subject appreciated. TonytheTiger (TtT) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 12:56:32 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: "Russ and Tammy C." Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:56:07 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Temp sending unit install Russ, If you have an F4B that is NOT the one sold as a LAT option, the temp sender threads a for American senders, and the LAT uses threads to match the original English sender threads. If you take that manifold to a machinist, that can also heli-arc weld aluminum, you can get the original hole filled with aluminum, and new threads to match your original sender machined in. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Russ and Tammy C. wrote: > What is the answer for putting the temp sending unit into an f4b edelbrock > manifold on a 302? Is there a comparable unit that would just fit ? I want > to do away with the hose inserted mess of the 260. Thank you. Russ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 13:04:21 2009 From: drmayf To: Steve Laifman Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:03:57 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Temp sending unit install So, an ethical and moral delima, eh? :^} If it was not sold as a LAT option part, then is modifying one that was not into a LAT fair? Dow you then sell the modified one as a Real LAT? Or ? Does that diminish the fair market value of teh real ting by adding a fake one into the global inventory, lol.. Isn't this sorta like changing an Alpine into a Tiger, just on a lesser scale? Having fun with you folk, lol.. mayf Steve Laifman wrote: > Russ, > > If you have an F4B that is NOT the one sold as a LAT option, the temp > sender threads a for American senders, and the LAT uses threads to > match the original English sender threads. If you take that manifold > to a machinist, that can also heli-arc weld aluminum, you can get the > original hole filled with aluminum, and new threads to match your > original sender machined in. > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > Russ and Tammy C. wrote: > >> What is the answer for putting the temp sending unit into an f4b >> edelbrock >> manifold on a 302? Is there a comparable unit that would just fit >> ? I want >> to do away with the hose inserted mess of the 260. Thank you. Russ > > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 13:04:55 2009 From: "Jim" To: "'Steve Laifman'" , "'Russ and Tammy C.'" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:04:34 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Temp sending unit install Steve... I have a 'plain jane' F4B around here somewhere... and it has 'american' threads for the sender...and one large plenum hole. I have 'heard' that the genuine LAT option manifold had 4 holes under the carb... True...?? Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Laifman Sent: January 27, 2009 11:56 AM To: Russ and Tammy C. Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Temp sending unit install Russ, If you have an F4B that is NOT the one sold as a LAT option, the temp sender threads a for American senders, and the LAT uses threads to match the original English sender threads. If you take that manifold to a machinist, that can also heli-arc weld aluminum, you can get the original hole filled with aluminum, and new threads to match your original sender machined in. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Russ and Tammy C. wrote: > What is the answer for putting the temp sending unit into an f4b edelbrock > manifold on a 302? Is there a comparable unit that would just fit ? I want > to do away with the hose inserted mess of the 260. Thank you. Russ Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 13:17:13 2009 From: "Jim" To: "'Jim'" , "'Steve Laifman'" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:16:50 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Temp sending unit install Oops! I guess I should have checked the Tigers United site and read the original LAT option brochure... ..." Another interesting sidelight is that the illustration is NOT the Edelbrock manifold, which has dual slots, not 4 holes. This is probably the previous "TIGER" lettered artwork, of the Shelby/Benevides design, that has been "touched up" with the "Edelbrock" signature logo and the "F4B"." So...they put a 'photoshopped' pic in the brochure...??? lol!! -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: January 27, 2009 12:05 PM To: 'Steve Laifman'; 'Russ and Tammy C.' Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Temp sending unit install Steve... I have a 'plain jane' F4B around here somewhere... and it has 'american' threads for the sender...and one large plenum hole. I have 'heard' that the genuine LAT option manifold had 4 holes under the carb... True...?? Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Laifman Sent: January 27, 2009 11:56 AM To: Russ and Tammy C. Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Temp sending unit install Russ, If you have an F4B that is NOT the one sold as a LAT option, the temp sender threads a for American senders, and the LAT uses threads to match the original English sender threads. If you take that manifold to a machinist, that can also heli-arc weld aluminum, you can get the original hole filled with aluminum, and new threads to match your original sender machined in. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Russ and Tammy C. wrote: > What is the answer for putting the temp sending unit into an f4b edelbrock > manifold on a 302? Is there a comparable unit that would just fit ? I want > to do away with the hose inserted mess of the 260. Thank you. Russ Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 13:19:03 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:18:34 EST Subject: [Tigers] The moral delima "So, an ethical and moral delima, eh? :^} If it was not sold as a LAT option part, then is modifying one that was not into a LAT fair? Dow you then sell the modified one as a Real LAT? Or ? Does that diminish the fair market value of teh real ting by adding a fake one into the global inventory, lol.." How ethical is it for someone to claim a car is concours perfect if something that is not visible has been changed. I'm thinking of something as simple as tapping a stripped out hole to the next larger size. Now it's not "exactly" as it came from the factory, but would judges deduct for something like this if they knew or should they just consider parts are visible? Or could something like a rebuilt engine that has been bored oversize be considered concours? Mark **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 13:28:15 2009 From: "Jim" To: , Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:27:53 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] The moral delima Mark... I think Concours can be a bit of a misnomer.... how about the 2 terms... 'Concours original' ... and 'Concours restoration' ...I think if a car was presented as the latter category that there would be more leeway... I have a friend that has what I would consider a 'Concours original' A-H 3000 MKIII ... it HAS had a repaint but the rest of the car is pretty much unmolested as it has all the factory pieces in it including original top, upholstery, carpet etc. etc. ...!! The judges use it as a reference to judge the other cars... lol I don't have those problems with my car... it had started on the 'modified' path long before I got it... and it continues to do so... funny, when I take it to shows I get people telling me that the trunk hinges should be body colour and not cad plated... etc. ... well... whatever...!! Jim -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: January 27, 2009 12:19 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] The moral delima "So, an ethical and moral delima, eh? :^} If it was not sold as a LAT option part, then is modifying one that was not into a LAT fair? Dow you then sell the modified one as a Real LAT? Or ? Does that diminish the fair market value of teh real ting by adding a fake one into the global inventory, lol.." How ethical is it for someone to claim a car is concours perfect if something that is not visible has been changed. I'm thinking of something as simple as tapping a stripped out hole to the next larger size. Now it's not "exactly" as it came from the factory, but would judges deduct for something like this if they knew or should they just consider parts are visible? Or could something like a rebuilt engine that has been bored oversize be considered concours? Mark **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 13:33:56 2009 From: drmayf To: CoolVT@aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:33:34 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] The moral delima Just remember, I said I was funnin' with ya.. mayf CoolVT@aol.com wrote: >"So, an ethical and moral delima, eh? :^} If it was not sold as a LAT >option part, then is modifying one that was not into a LAT fair? Dow you >then sell the modified one as a Real LAT? Or ? Does that diminish the >fair market value of teh real ting by adding a fake one into the global >inventory, lol.." > >How ethical is it for someone to claim a car is concours perfect if >something that is not visible has been changed. I'm thinking of something as simple >as tapping a stripped out hole to the next larger size. Now it's not >"exactly" as it came from the factory, but would judges deduct for something like >this if they knew or should they just consider parts are visible? >Or could something like a rebuilt engine that has been bored oversize be >considered concours? >Mark > > >**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy >steps! >(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De >cemailfooterNO62) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 13:37:16 2009 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: , Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:36:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] The moral delima I believe you could win a concours without internal parts in the car. Ie. No crankshaft or pistons in the car. I had thought it was a purely visual thing. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 13:38:13 2009 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net, "Russ and Tammy C." Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:37:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Temp sending unit install What I have done to install the temp. sender in my car is to obtain a thermostat housing that has a tapped hole in it (for a smog temp sender, IIRC) already in place. The housing was used on some Ford small blocks circa 1970's. The only issue is matching the threads in the housing with those on the Smiths sender. I was able to locate an adapter to do the job. Unfortunately, I don't recall the details nor did I keep any notes. I can send a pic if anyone is interested. Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 13:41:03 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Scott Hutchinson" , , Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:40:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] The moral delima Concours is basically a beauty contest. As long as everything you can see is as it should be, it's all good. Extending that metaphor (probably too far), patina is good but it probably won't stand a chance against a shiny restoration. ;) Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Hutchinson > Sent: January 27, 2009 1:37 PM > To: CoolVT@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] The moral delima > > I believe you could win a concours without internal parts in the car. > > Ie. No crankshaft or pistons in the car. > > I had thought it was a purely visual thing. > > > > Scott Hutchinson > Director of Operations > Netjets Large Aircraft > > Office 860.292.1191 > Mobile 843.290.2805 > > ** ******* > This message contains information which may be confidential > and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized > to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or > disclose to anyone the message or any information contained > in the message. If you have received the message in error, > please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 13:55:29 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, CoolVT@aol.com, Scott Hutchinson Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:40:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] The moral delima I would think judging covers only what can be seen. Thread size ??? How about original 260 block bored .30 over ? Whos gonna know and how many really aren't bored out in a rebuild ? I'm certainly the new kid aroud here but I would think a beautiful clear coat paint job should lose to a nice patina original paint job. Or a beautiful repo badge would lose to a very good original one. I would think good looking proper steel screws would beat perfect stainless ones. I'm interested in opinions from those who have been judged or are judges. Steve R ---- "Smit wrote: > Concours is basically a beauty contest. As long as everything you can > see is as it should be, it's all good. > > Extending that metaphor (probably too far), patina is good but it > probably won't stand a chance against a shiny restoration. > > ;) > > Theo > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Hutchinson > > Sent: January 27, 2009 1:37 PM > > To: CoolVT@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] The moral delima > > > > I believe you could win a concours without internal parts in the car. > > > > Ie. No crankshaft or pistons in the car. > > > > I had thought it was a purely visual thing. > > > > > > > > Scott Hutchinson > > Director of Operations > > Netjets Large Aircraft > > > > Office 860.292.1191 > > Mobile 843.290.2805 > > > > ** ******* > > This message contains information which may be confidential > > and privileged. 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If you have received the message in error, > > please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 13:57:10 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: CoolVT@aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:56:38 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] The moral dilemma Mark, An interesting point, but there is a dilemma. 1) If you have a "LAT F4B", and the sender is no longer available, would you get a deduct for changing the thread and having the wrong threads and sender? 2) If you have an Edelbrock OEM manifold, identical in every way except the sender thread is now Tiger original, as is the sender, AND it is undetectably the same as the LAT manifold, would the deduct be larger? (How many antique cars were restored and missing parts re-made exactly as original?) 3) Where would one rank an Edelbrock OEM manifold identical in every way except the sender thread is now LAT original, as is the sender. Would the deduct be larger? How would any examiner know - especially if this is a subsequent owner and didn't know himself. Could have been done when the car was new, by either the new owner, or a dealer. Regardless of this "how many angels" conundrum, isn't it better that the sender match the gauge to give identical accuracy (good or bad)? "'Tis a Puzzlement" Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com CoolVT@aol.com wrote: > "So, an ethical and moral delima, eh? :^} If it was not sold as a LAT > option part, then is modifying one that was not into a LAT fair? Dow you > then sell the modified one as a Real LAT? Or ? Does that diminish the > fair market value of teh real ting by adding a fake one into the global > inventory, lol.." > > How ethical is it for someone to claim a car is concours perfect if > something that is not visible has been changed. I'm thinking of something as simple > as tapping a stripped out hole to the next larger size. Now it's not > "exactly" as it came from the factory, but would judges deduct for something like > this if they knew or should they just consider parts are visible? > Or could something like a rebuilt engine that has been bored oversize be > considered concours? > Mark _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 14:54:52 2009 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:54:21 EST Subject: [Tigers] strapping Servos Well friends, After spending Sunday afternoon with Tod Brown on and off the phone, looking at pictures in Tiger books, I tried calling Tiger Tom. He said he didn't remember but to try Rick at SS. Monday I called Rick on a couple of subjects, this being one of them. He spoke uncategorically and stated: 5.5" boosters should have a strap around the steel vacuum canister with a bracket that ties it to the firewall 7" boosters should have no strap (and no bracket) This is in fact what I heard from the people kind enough to look or remember their cars when newer. Servos happen to be the kind of item that goes in and out of the car with irritating regularity. My car, purchased by me in 1976 had gone through three P.O.s. It should have had a 7" servo (382002083) but had a 5.5". So, somewhere down the line it had packed up and was replaced by a 5.5". I bought a 7" , rebuilt it and got that yellow striped hose from that guy in England and plan to install it this summer but there is always a detail or two that hangs out there. BTW: can anyone supply a picture of the intermediate bracket that goes between the aluminum casting on the servo and the mounting base welded to the inside of the passenger/engine bay ? Or am I dreaming? Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 16:49:57 2009 From: "steve wick" To: , Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:49:31 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] strapping Servos If the bracket is the same on the early servo cars as the later, I can take a pic for you. I happen to have my early servo out at the moment rebuilding it so could get a clear shot. Steve (in frozen North Idaho) ----- Original Message ----- From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:54 PM Subject: [Tigers] strapping Servos Well friends, After spending Sunday afternoon with Tod Brown on and off the phone, looking at pictures in Tiger books, I tried calling Tiger Tom. He said he didn't remember but to try Rick at SS. Monday I called Rick on a couple of subjects, this being one of them. He spoke uncategorically and stated: 5.5" boosters should have a strap around the steel vacuum canister with a bracket that ties it to the firewall 7" boosters should have no strap (and no bracket) This is in fact what I heard from the people kind enough to look or remember their cars when newer. Servos happen to be the kind of item that goes in and out of the car with irritating regularity. My car, purchased by me in 1976 had gone through three P.O.s. It should have had a 7" servo (382002083) but had a 5.5". So, somewhere down the line it had packed up and was replaced by a 5.5". I bought a 7" , rebuilt it and got that yellow striped hose from that guy in England and plan to install it this summer but there is always a detail or two that hangs out there. BTW: can anyone supply a picture of the intermediate bracket that goes between the aluminum casting on the servo and the mounting base welded to the inside of the passenger/engine bay ? Or am I dreaming? Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=ht tp://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De< http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http: //www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De> cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 16:55:18 2009 From: Kevin Meek To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:54:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger "cooler" available After seeing a similar item in use at a Tigers United event, I decided to make my own...this contraption is intended to cool the interior of your Tiger while driving. I spent *way* too much time building this back in the day; the ice chest goes behind the seats and is filled with ice/ice water. A bilge pump is submersed in the chest, and circulates the ice water through a heater core within an enclosure that sits on the transmission hump. There is a fan motor that forces interior air through the heater core, and presto - out comes cold air. It works amazingly well, though we used it only once on a day long trip when my wife was pregnant and needed the relief! I recall that it *did* use a lot of ice in the triple digit heat we travelled through, but it made the trip possible for her... Clearing out my garage; available to the first person to come get it at my home in Santa Cruz, CA. I'd also be willing to ship it at your cost. Email kevin_meek@yahoo.com if interested, thanks ;-) http://www.angrytoaster.com/tiger/tigercool.JPG _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 27 18:28:27 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: CoolVT@aol.com, Steve Laifman Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:28:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] The moral dilemma I will throw my request out again. I think S.L. answered my question but I would enjoy a clear response, so I will inject more details. I have a fairly rough Mk1 I bought some years back. I found a nice S3 to rob sheet metal from but Ive had heart problems and back surgeries etc and I guess I will sell the car(s). I was told the car was sold new to a lady in Canada and later purchased by the Rootes dealerships parts man. The Mk1 has pie mags(unfortunately cut) and what I think is an orginal optional F4B. It is complete and stock(supposedly he rebuilt the 260 prior to parking the car) It had an edelbrock air cleaner as opposed to a stock air cleaner BUT if you look at the options in the BON- there is a pic of the intake and this air cleaner. My thoughts are the air cleaner came with the F4B. I no longer have a phone number for the PO and the address on the title was where the car was but it was rental proprty- actually I dont really know IF the title adddress matches anything as I only followed directins to the car when I went to buy it. This is why I posted the earlier question about an orginal F4B having the correct threads for the temp sending unit. There have been plenty of emails about concourse etc but Im still not satisfied about the knowledge about my ability to claim I have an orginal F4B. Again, any responses are appreciated. On another note, my buddy and I are planning on going to the salt flats this year. Hoping to watch Mayf set his record and to just have a blast etc etc. SO, Dr. please email me your phone number so I can ask about reccomendations on finding a motel etc and the dates - ie; anything that will help us enjoy the trip the most and YOU are the man to the best of my knowledge. Thanks to all. TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 07:38:30 2009 From: Howard gentry To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 06:21:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] The moral delima Hello, And then there is the fact that all Tigers were built by real humans..there may be the situation where a tapped hole was stripped "at the factory", and retapped for the "larger diameter but same head size bolt"..It happens..The car is factory correct but not to engineering print specs..hmmm Howard The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, sralsten@ca.rr.com wrote: From: sralsten@ca.rr.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] The moral delima To: tigers@autox.team.net, CoolVT@aol.com, "Scott Hutchinson" , "Smit, Theo" Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:40 PM I would think judging covers only what can be seen. Thread size ??? How about original 260 block bored .30 over ? Whos gonna know and how many really aren't bored out in a rebuild ? I'm certainly the new kid aroud here but I would think a beautiful clear coat paint job should lose to a nice patina original paint job. Or a beautiful repo badge would lose to a very good original one. I would think good looking proper steel screws would beat perfect stainless ones. I'm interested in opinions from those who have been judged or are judges. Steve R ---- "Smit wrote: > Concours is basically a beauty contest. As long as everything you can > see is as it should be, it's all good. > > Extending that metaphor (probably too far), patina is good but it > probably won't stand a chance against a shiny restoration. > > ;) > > Theo > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Hutchinson > > Sent: January 27, 2009 1:37 PM > > To: CoolVT@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] The moral delima > > > > I believe you could win a concours without internal parts in the car. > > > > Ie. No crankshaft or pistons in the car. > > > > I had thought it was a purely visual thing. > > > > > > > > Scott Hutchinson > > Director of Operations > > Netjets Large Aircraft > > > > Office 860.292.1191 > > Mobile 843.290.2805 > > > > ** ******* > > This message contains information which may be confidential > > and privileged. 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If you have received the message in error, > > please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 08:10:14 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: zymmer4@yahoo.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:45:04 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] The moral delima LOL Wow, does that open a can of worms:-) Mark **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 08:54:58 2009 From: Carmods@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:30:19 EST Subject: [Tigers] The moral delima I'm sure glad all this talk of the" moral dilemma" is being done "Tongue in Cheek"! John Logan **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 10:15:04 2009 From: Robert Bridgeford To: , , Sunbeam Tiger list Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 08:57:57 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] The moral delima One thing that the moral discussion illustrates wonderfully is that a set of established criteria is necessary for any judgement to be applied. I am not a Tiger judge, but I am a certified Jaguar judge. To remain that way I have to attend one 4 hour refresher course each year and judge at least two events. Photo manuals are published which show the engine bays, interiors, trim, exterior and the variations of same. Points begin at 100, and deductions are made for every deviation from from "as it left the factory". You judge what you can see; no deductions are made for hidden bolts with a heli-coil. Judges do not inspect the underside of the car - the rule is that you must remain on your feet and again, you judge what you can see by bending down, not by crawling under the car.These judging criteria are established by Jag enthusiasts at national meetings yearly. They are modified when new information about a specific model emerges or when they become unworkable. Two classes exist: driven and concours. Driven cars do not have the engine bays inspected, and they are allowed modern tires and brakes. Jaguar currently has no special class for unrestored cars that have natural wear and tear issues. The cars are judged along with the rest of the cars; if paint is without damage (chips, flakes) and still has color and shine it would not constitute a deduction. As most of you know, Corvette events have a special class "Survivor Class" for unrestored cars : it has more latitude for wear. The class is important because the cars are as original as possible and provide models for correct restoration and or maintenance. Bob Bridgeford 541 549 9539 Sisters OR 97759> From: CoolVT@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:45:04 -0500> To: zymmer4@yahoo.com; tigers@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] The moral delima> > LOL Wow, does that open a can of worms:-) > Mark> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http ://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De> cemailfooterNO62)> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Tigers@autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers> > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 11:32:06 2009 From: Tom Hall To: Carmods@aol.com Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:02:37 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] The moral delima At 07:30 AM 1/28/2009, you wrote: >I'm sure glad all this talk of the" moral dilemma" is being done "Tongue in >Cheek"! > >John Logan Even so, I can hear Ian having a good laugh about the owners of a car that was built with the intent to be modified from the beginning. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 11:33:48 2009 From: "George Re" To: "tigers" Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:15:41 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Turn Signal switch? Hi Guys: Quick question I has 3 turn signal switches one has a chrome handle and 2 have black which one is for the tiger? Thanks George _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 12:05:18 2009 From: "J. Nichols" To: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:40:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 4 hole or 2 hole "Oops! I guess I should have checked the Tigers United site and read the original LAT option brochure... ..." Another interesting sidelight is that the illustration is NOT the Edelbrock manifold, which has dual slots, not 4 holes. This is probably the previous "TIGER" lettered artwork, of the Shelby/Benevides design, that has been "touched up" with the "Edelbrock" signature logo and the "F4B"."" The original version of the Edelbrock F4B manifold had four holes and not two slots. The two slots were added after it was found to add 15 HP over the four hole model. Gordon Chittenden's book "Performance Tuning the Sunbeam Tiger" has a photo of the four hole version and has another photo with two slots (pg 111 & 112) and the caption said a machine shop did the work. Edelbrock incorporated this change in later versions of the F4B. I have a F4B that has this slot and it was cast that way. Another change that Edelbrock did to the Performer RPM, which is the updated version of the F4B, is to cut a hole in the divider of the two slots. I think this is supposed to equal out the air pressure between the two manifold planes thus making more horsepower. My F4B doesn't have this opening and as far as I can tell they never had this modification. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 12:18:37 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'George Re'" , "'tigers'" Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:55:41 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Turn Signal switch? George My MK IA has a black handle. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Re Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:16 PM To: tigers Subject: [Tigers] Turn Signal switch? Hi Guys: Quick question I has 3 turn signal switches one has a chrome handle and 2 have black which one is for the tiger? Thanks George No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1920 - Release Date: 1/27/2009 6:15 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 12:55:44 2009 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: modtiger@comcast.net, Carmods@aol.com Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:07:20 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] The moral delima In a message dated 1/28/2009 10:32:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, modtiger@comcast.net writes: Even so, I can hear Ian having a good laugh about the owners of a car that was built with the intent to be modified from the beginning. Maybe that's because they never had the budget or resources to truly finish the car at the factory? ;-) **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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Curt Classic Sunbeam Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Hall To: Carmods@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 1:02 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] The moral delima At 07:30 AM 1/28/2009, you wrote: >I'm sure glad all this talk of the" moral dilemma" is being done "Tongue in >Cheek"! > >John Logan Even so, I can hear Ian having a good laugh about the owners of a car that was built with the intent to be modified from the beginning. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 13:50:15 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, mgman71@comcast.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:19:55 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Turn Signal switch? My 1A is also black. Mark **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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George ----- Original Message ----- From: CoolVT@aol.com To: rfraser@bluefrog.com ; mgman71@comcast.net ; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Turn Signal switch? My 1A is also black. Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 15:53:13 2009 From: "J. Nichols" To: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:17:17 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Videos Does anyone sell the Rootes produced competition videos of the 1960's on DVD or video tape for the US? One is called "Special Stage" and the other is "The Tiger Sharpens Its Claws". There may be others tha I have not heard about. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 16:57:48 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, AAAGLASSS@aol.com Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:09:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Turn Signal switch? ---- AAAGLASSS@aol.com wrote: > WHAT COLOR BLACK?? > Why turn signal black of course. My Mk1 is also black. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 17:56:07 2009 From: "Jerry" To: "'J. Nichols'" , Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:57:49 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rootes Videos Jeff, I have several copies on DVD of "The Tiger Sharpens It's Claws". $10.00 with shipping. Jerry Christopherson -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J. Nichols Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:17 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Videos Does anyone sell the Rootes produced competition videos of the 1960's on DVD or video tape for the US? One is called "Special Stage" and the other is "The Tiger Sharpens Its Claws". There may be others tha I have not heard about. Jeff Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 17:56:15 2009 From: cmeinel464@aol.com To: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:01:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] [PRIVATE] The moral delima Yes, of course I have the orignal Dunlops, including the unused spare. Did change the Air Filter once, am I stiil OK? Curt -----Original Message----- From: Steve Laifman To: cmeinel464@aol.com Sent: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 5:12 pm Subject: [PRIVATE] The moral delima [PRIVATE]? Carl , Great original car.? But, Carl, do you still have the original Dunlop Gold Seal bias ply tires, WITH the original factory air? Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com cmeinel464@aol.com wrote: Come on Tom, I'm still running my original oil, filter and gas in my 66 MK1a.......... Curt Classic Sunbeam Inc. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 18:30:22 2009 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: jxnichols@sbcglobal.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:53:42 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] 4 hole or 2 hole Check Clymer's 'Performance Tuning the Tiger'. It has pictures of both F4B's. Dave **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. 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(http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 18:57:40 2009 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: CMeinel464@aol.com, SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:02:22 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] [PRIVATE] The moral delima That's it. You lose. Wasn't there a discussion that Tire Manufacturer's claim any tire older that 5 years from its production date, is dangerous. They want us to stop driving until we buy new tires. That according to tire manufacturers whose business is to make and sell tires. Dave **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 18:57:52 2009 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: CMeinel464@aol.com, SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:04:05 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] [PRIVATE] The moral delima Air filter ok. BUT DO YOU STILL HAVE THE ORIGINAL AIR IN THE TYRES??? In a message dated 1/28/2009 4:56:21 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, cmeinel464@aol.com writes: Yes, of course I have the orignal Dunlops, including the unused spare. Did change the Air Filter once, am I stiil OK? Curt -----Original Message----- From: Steve Laifman To: cmeinel464@aol.com Sent: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 5:12 pm Subject: [PRIVATE] The moral delima [PRIVATE]? Carl , Great original car.? But, Carl, do you still have the original Dunlop Gold Seal bias ply tires, WITH the original factory air? Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com cmeinel464@aol.com wrote: Come on Tom, I'm still running my original oil, filter and gas in my 66 MK1a.......... Curt Classic Sunbeam Inc. Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 18:58:23 2009 From: drmayf To: Jerry Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:23:30 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rootes Videos So not being one who keeps up with such, what is the DVD about? Ie what race, rally or what? Heck I might even want a copy.. mayf Jerry wrote: >Jeff, > >I have several copies on DVD of "The Tiger Sharpens It's Claws". >$10.00 with shipping. > >Jerry Christopherson > > >-----Original Message----- >From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] >On Behalf Of J. Nichols >Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:17 PM >To: tigers@autox.team.net >Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Videos > >Does anyone sell the Rootes produced competition videos of the 1960's on DVD >or video tape for the US? One is called "Special Stage" and the other is >"The >Tiger Sharpens Its Claws". There may be others tha I have not heard about. > > > > > Jeff >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 18:58:24 2009 From: drmayf To: cmeinel464@aol.com Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:24:41 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] [PRIVATE] The moral delima Curt, you are still ok as long as you kept the original so that you can swap it back in at thecar show... mayf cmeinel464@aol.com wrote: >Yes, of course I have the orignal Dunlops, including the unused spare. Did change the Air Filter once, am I stiil OK? >Curt > >-----Original Message----- >From: Steve Laifman >To: cmeinel464@aol.com >Sent: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 5:12 pm >Subject: [PRIVATE] The moral delima > > >[PRIVATE]? Carl , > >Great original car.? But, Carl, do you still have the original Dunlop Gold Seal bias ply tires, WITH the original factory air? > > > >Steve > >___ >Steve Laifman >Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > >cmeinel464@aol.com wrote: > >Come on Tom, I'm still running my original oil, filter and gas in my 66 MK1a.......... >Curt >Classic Sunbeam Inc. >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 19:14:52 2009 From: drmayf To: DJoh797014@aol.com Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:51:54 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] The moral delima You had better keep tabs on it! The greenies will be looking to steal it so they can have that special air to analyze to see how much air has changed in 42 years..... I used to have some 1972 air but finaly released it back to the wild... mayf DJoh797014@aol.com wrote: >I have 1967 air in my Road Spare spare > >Dave _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 19:38:34 2009 From: "C. Robert Bernardino, MD FACS" To: "cmeinel464@aol.com" Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:37:50 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] [PRIVATE] The moral delima Did you change the air in then tires? Rob in CT C. Robert Bernardino, MD FACS Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Residency Program Director Ophthalmic Plastics & Orbital Surgery Sent from my iPhone On Jan 28, 2009, at 4:01 PM, cmeinel464@aol.com wrote: > Yes, of course I have the orignal Dunlops, including the unused > spare. Did change the Air Filter once, am I stiil OK? > Curt > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Laifman > To: cmeinel464@aol.com > Sent: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 5:12 pm > Subject: [PRIVATE] The moral delima > > > [PRIVATE]? Carl , > > Great original car.? But, Carl, do you still have the original > Dunlop Gold Seal bias ply tires, WITH the original factory air? > > > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > cmeinel464@aol.com wrote: > > Come on Tom, I'm still running my original oil, filter and gas in my > 66 MK1a.......... > Curt > Classic Sunbeam Inc. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 19:46:36 2009 From: Amberly Chamberlain To: "cmeinel464@aol.com" , "C. Robert Bernardino, MD Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:46:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] [PRIVATE] The moral delima SCREW THE AIR!!!! WRITE TO DEAR ABBY IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THIS. LETS GET BACK TO TALKING ABOUT IMPROVING THE PERFORMANCE OF OUR CARS! --- On Wed, 1/28/09, C. Robert Bernardino, MD FACS wrote: From: C. Robert Bernardino, MD FACS Subject: Re: [Tigers] [PRIVATE] The moral delima To: "cmeinel464@aol.com" Cc: "SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com" , "Tiger Webring" Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 6:37 PM Did you change the air in then tires? Rob in CT C. Robert Bernardino, MD FACS Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Residency Program Director Ophthalmic Plastics & Orbital Surgery Sent from my iPhone On Jan 28, 2009, at 4:01 PM, cmeinel464@aol.com wrote: > Yes, of course I have the orignal Dunlops, including the unused > spare. Did change the Air Filter once, am I stiil OK? > Curt > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Laifman > To: cmeinel464@aol.com > Sent: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 5:12 pm > Subject: [PRIVATE] The moral delima > > > [PRIVATE]? Carl , > > Great original car.? But, Carl, do you still have the original > Dunlop Gold Seal bias ply tires, WITH the original factory air? > > > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > cmeinel464@aol.com wrote: > > Come on Tom, I'm still running my original oil, filter and gas in my > 66 MK1a.......... > Curt > Classic Sunbeam Inc. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 28 20:03:12 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: cmeinel464@aol.com Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:02:50 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] [PRIVATE] The moral delima Curt, You are always OK in my book! Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com cmeinel464@aol.com wrote: > Yes, of course I have the orignal Dunlops, including the unused spare. Did change the Air Filter once, am I stiil OK? > Curt _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 29 05:17:08 2009 From: CMeinel464@aol.com To: drmayf@mayfco.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:13:21 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] [PRIVATE] The moral delima Mayf, I did add some new air a few years ago, I think it was only a few pounds, so I should have about 95% 1966 air in the Dunlops.......... Curt In a message dated 1/28/2009 8:24:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drmayf@mayfco.com writes: Curt, you are still ok as long as you kept the original so that you can swap it back in at thecar show... mayf cmeinel464@aol.com wrote: >Yes, of course I have the orignal Dunlops, including the unused spare. Did change the Air Filter once, am I stiil OK? >Curt > >-----Original Message----- >From: Steve Laifman >To: cmeinel464@aol.com >Sent: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 5:12 pm >Subject: [PRIVATE] The moral delima > > >[PRIVATE]? Carl , > >Great original car.? But, Carl, do you still have the original Dunlop Gold Seal bias ply tires, WITH the original factory air? > > > >Steve > >___ >Steve Laifman >Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > >cmeinel464@aol.com wrote: > >Come on Tom, I'm still running my original oil, filter and gas in my 66 MK1a.......... >Curt >Classic Sunbeam Inc. >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > > > > > **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 29 06:22:07 2009 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:21:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] [PRIVATE] The moral delima Pssst Curt...I may have some "connections" that can get official Dunlop Bottom Air for your tyres, totally concours correct. The best part is that since 1965 English air is so full of soot and other particulates it mostly blocks all those air leaks issuing from your forty year old tyre's dry rot cracks. Meet me behind the British Leyland dealership at midnight.... :>) --------------------------- cmeinel464@aol.com wrote: >Yes, of course I have the orignal Dunlops, including the unused spare. >Did change the Air Filter once, am I stiil OK? >Curt > >-----Original Message----- >From: Steve Laifman >To: cmeinel464@aol.com >Sent: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 5:12 pm >Subject: [PRIVATE] The moral delima > > >[PRIVATE]? Carl , > >Great original car.? But, Carl, do you still have the original Dunlop >Gold Seal bias ply tires, WITH the original factory air? > > > >Steve > >___ >Steve Laifman >Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > >cmeinel464@aol.com wrote: > >Come on Tom, I'm still running my original oil, filter and gas in my >66 MK1a.......... >Curt >Classic Sunbeam Inc. >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > > > > > **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 29 18:13:02 2009 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: mark.rense@ge.com, CMeinel464@aol.com Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:11:43 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] [PRIVATE] The moral delima Rent the DVD 'World's Fastest Indian' A great movie for gearheads. Start Anthony Hopkins as the New Zealander who sets a Land Speed Record on his ancient Indian. He use Black shoe polish to fill in the sidewall cracks. Borrows his neighbors carving knife to slice off thread to make a slick. Don't ask how he waters his lemon tree. True story. Dave Johnson **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 29 18:27:46 2009 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:27:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'World's Fastest Indian' Great Movie!...just watched it last week...one of the few DVDs I own. Paul > From: DJoh797014@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:11:43 -0500> To: mark.rense@ge.com; CMeinel464@aol.com> CC: tigers@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] [PRIVATE] The moral delima> > Rent the DVD 'World's Fastest Indian'> > A great movie for gearheads. Start Anthony Hopkins as> the New Zealander who sets a Land Speed Record on> his ancient Indian. He use Black shoe polish to fill> in the sidewall cracks. Borrows his neighbors carving> knife to slice off thread to make a slick.> > Don't ask how he waters his lemon tree.> > True story.> > Dave Johnson _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. goes where you go. On a PC, on the Web, on your phone. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/versatility.aspx#mobile?ocid=TXT _TAGHM_WL_HM_versatility_121208 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 29 19:03:15 2009 From: Dave Munroe To: "Paul R. Breuhan" , djoh797014@aol.com Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:02:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'World's Fastest Indian' No question. One of the great "family"movies of all time. Being a motorcycle nut, my wife and her sister took me to this movie to earn some points. They expected another Marlon Brando clone - ended up laughing, crying, enthralled and left the theatre raving about how great it was. They recommend it to everyone as a great entertainment experience. You will love it too. Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Bruhan wrote: Great Movie!...just watched it last week...one of the few DVDs I own. Paul Rent the DVD 'World's Fastest Indian' A great movie for gearheads. Stars Anthony Hopkins as the New Zealander who sets a Land Speed Record on his ancient Indian. He uses Black shoe polish to fill in the sidewall cracks. Borrows his neighbors carving knife to slice off tread to make a slick. Don't ask how he waters his lemon tree. True story. Dave Johnson _________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 30 07:44:45 2009 From: Howard gentry To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:44:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'World's Fastest Indian' Hi, This movie has been shown on direct tv for several years now..It is a good show..a bit far fetched for my money, but still a good story. Howard The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Dave Munroe wrote: From: Dave Munroe Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'World's Fastest Indian' To: "Paul R. Breuhan" , djoh797014@aol.com Cc: "Tigers Den" Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 9:02 PM No question. One of the great "family"movies of all time. Being a motorcycle nut, my wife and her sister took me to this movie to earn some points. They expected another Marlon Brando clone - ended up laughing, crying, enthralled and left the theatre raving about how great it was. They recommend it to everyone as a great entertainment experience. You will love it too. Dave ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------- Paul Bruhan wrote: Great Movie!...just watched it last week...one of the few DVDs I own. Paul Rent the DVD 'World's Fastest Indian' A great movie for gearheads. Stars Anthony Hopkins as the New Zealander who sets a Land Speed Record on his ancient Indian. He uses Black shoe polish to fill in the sidewall cracks. Borrows his neighbors carving knife to slice off tread to make a slick. Don't ask how he waters his lemon tree. True story. Dave Johnson _________________________________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 30 07:59:32 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Howard gentry'" , Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:59:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'World's Fastest Indian' The story line is historically a true story about Burt Munro the rest of it is probably pure Hollywood entertainment. A fabulous movie IMHO. Check out some of the web sites for Burt Munro; there are some great stories about him and his Indian motorcycle there. True stories or tall tails, I don't know but all interesting reading. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Howard gentry Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:44 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'World's Fastest Indian' Hi, This movie has been shown on direct tv for several years now..It is a good show..a bit far fetched for my money, but still a good story. Howard The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 30 08:22:53 2009 From: drmayf To: Howard gentry Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:22:03 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'World's Fastest Indian' Howard, I am curious about your comment below.."a bit far fetched for my money," What is far fetched? This actually occurred and Burt Monro is still in the record books. While some artistic license might have happened, the underlying story is correct. Several of my land speed racing friends were there and indeed chipped in money for Burt, as seen in the movie. Only the tow car was an earlier model of chevy, lol... trailer looked just like still photos from the time. Yes, he did cast his own pistons and he did machine his own overhead valve heads for the old Indian flathead motor cycle. Burt Monro is an icon to most of us who do race on the salt. mayf Howard gentry wrote: >Hi, > This movie has been shown on direct tv for several years now..It is a >good show..a bit far fetched for my money, but still a good story. >Howard > >The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. > >--- On Thu, 1/29/09, Dave Munroe wrote: > > >From: Dave Munroe >Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'World's Fastest Indian' >To: "Paul R. Breuhan" , djoh797014@aol.com >Cc: "Tigers Den" >Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 9:02 PM > > >No question. One of the great "family"movies of all time. > >Being a motorcycle nut, my wife and her sister took me to this movie to earn >some points. >They expected another Marlon Brando clone - ended up laughing, crying, >enthralled and left the theatre raving about >how great it was. They recommend it to everyone as a great entertainment >experience. > >You will love it too. > >Dave >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >----------------------------------- > > >Paul Bruhan wrote: > >Great Movie!...just watched it last week...one of the few DVDs I own. > > >Paul > > > >Rent the DVD 'World's Fastest Indian' >A great movie for gearheads. Stars Anthony Hopkins as the New Zealander who >sets a Land Speed Record on his ancient Indian. He uses Black shoe polish to >fill in the sidewall cracks. Borrows his neighbors carving knife to slice >off tread to make a slick. Don't ask how he waters his lemon tree. True >story. >Dave Johnson _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 30 08:36:41 2009 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: drmayf@mayfco.com, zymmer4@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:36:13 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'World's Fastest Indian' Not only is this a really good movie it shows the range of Anthony Hopkins as an actor. Remember "Silence of the Lambs"? Fred Baum **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 30 10:12:56 2009 From: Howard gentry To: drmayf@mayfco.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:12:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'World's Fastest Indian' Hi, All things being equal, I felt the "props", tow truck,etc, took a lot away from the "historical" aspects of the film. But, having said that, I am somewhat critical of those historical films. I do agree that it was not a documentary but a re-creation of a historical event. I also agree that Burt was a genious of a mechanical engineer and worthy of all the alcolades that he received..no doubt about it..:-) Howard The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Fri, 1/30/09, drmayf wrote: From: drmayf Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'World's Fastest Indian' To: "Howard gentry" Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 10:22 AM Howard, I am curious about your comment below.."a bit far fetched for my money," What is far fetched? This actually occurred and Burt Monro is still in the record books. While some artistic license might have happened, the underlying story is correct. Several of my land speed racing friends were there and indeed chipped in money for Burt, as seen in the movie. Only the tow car was an earlier model of chevy, lol... trailer looked just like still photos from the time. Yes, he did cast his own pistons and he did machine his own overhead valve heads for the old Indian flathead motor cycle. Burt Monro is an icon to most of us who do race on the salt. mayf Howard gentry wrote: >Hi, > This movie has been shown on direct tv for several years now..It is a >good show..a bit far fetched for my money, but still a good story. >Howard > >The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. > >--- On Thu, 1/29/09, Dave Munroe wrote: > > >From: Dave Munroe >Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'World's Fastest Indian' >To: "Paul R. Breuhan" , djoh797014@aol.com >Cc: "Tigers Den" >Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 9:02 PM > > >No question. One of the great "family"movies of all time. > >Being a motorcycle nut, my wife and her sister took me to this movie to earn >some points. >They expected another Marlon Brando clone - ended up laughing, crying, >enthralled and left the theatre raving about >how great it was. They recommend it to everyone as a great entertainment >experience. > >You will love it too. > >Dave >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >----------------------------------- > > >Paul Bruhan wrote: > >Great Movie!...just watched it last week...one of the few DVDs I own. > > >Paul > > > >Rent the DVD 'World's Fastest Indian' >A great movie for gearheads. Stars Anthony Hopkins as the New Zealander who >sets a Land Speed Record on his ancient Indian. He uses Black shoe polish to >fill in the sidewall cracks. Borrows his neighbors carving knife to slice >off tread to make a slick. Don't ask how he waters his lemon tree. True >story. >Dave Johnson Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 30 11:21:58 2009 From: "Jerry" To: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:21:12 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] DVDs of "The Tiger Sharpens Its Claws" and others Listers: I have received a number of requests and inquiries about my DVD "The Tiger Sharpens Its Claws." A quick overview of its contents - I acquired A Beta copy of this film, narrated by Raymond Baxter, back in the 1980s. It was originally shot, by the Roots Group, on 16 mm. I then transferred it to VHS, and more recently to DVD. The DVD shows the 1964 Geneva Rally (1100 mi) with three Tigers in the race along with many other cars - 74 starters and only 38 finishes. The "movie" is 20 minutes long and in color. The driver in the #1 Tiger is "Tiny" Lewis with Berry Hughes as navigator. The #2 Tiger is driven by Peter Riley with Robin Turvey as navigator. The #3 Tiger is driven by Rosemary Smith with Margaret MacKenzie navigating. It also shows some of a 1964 24-hour LeMans race, with the #8 LeMans Tiger driven by Keith Ballisat and the #9 LeMans Tiger driven by Jimmy Blumer (160mph). Some have asked if I have any other DVD's. I still have the DVD I made of how to curve the Ford (or any other) distributor to get the best power and performance from your Tiger (112 min.) The Tiger Sharpens Its Claws is $10.00 US (postage paid); and How to Curve your Distributor is $20.00 US (postage paid). If interested in either of these DVDs, please mail your check or money order to: Jerry Christopherson 3991 Chapel Woods Blvd Tyler, TX. 75707 Cell 903-372-4340 If you have any additional questions, please e-mail me at JCMC2006@suddenlink.net. Jerry _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 10:05:30 2009 From: "rcs" To: "Tiger List" Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:04:57 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] test just testing my new address _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 14:13:09 2009 From: Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:12:36 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] brake flare tool A while back someone on the list commented that this Harbour Freight tool: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=99642 was the same as this Eastwood tool (but much cheaper): http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=18935&itemType=PRODUCT Did anyone try it out? Paul _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 14:25:39 2009 From: Steve Sage To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:25:17 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Distributor and Other Advice Needed Hello Tiger Fans: Jane and I will be Tigering to SUNI this summer so we'll see you all (hopefully) there. For anyone who hasn't gone to one of these, it's definitely been worth it in the past. I just installed my new MSD 8350 distributor (with vacuum advance) on my 289 Tiger and could use some advice from any distributor knowledgeable people, being the super mechanic that I am. I've used the lightest advance springs and set initial advance around 15 degrees (suggested by the speed shop where I bought it). I've since worked on the advance and set it a bit further forward for some more fun. It still idles great, starts right up, and pulls well from a stop (except for a bog around 1700-1900 RPM that I think is carb related) and doesn't ping. The power curve seems to level out sooner than I want though. The distributor comes with four advance stop bushings to try. The shop suggested I use the black bushing which adds (according to the chart that came in the box) about 18 degrees to initial advance, which gives me probably around 35-38 degrees total advance now. The kit has three other bushings that will add progressively more total advance so my question is, how much total advance can a 289 safely use? On my "bog" around 1700-1900 RPM; is that always caused by secondaries coming in too soon? I've changed to a stiffer spring in the vacuum advance pot, but still get a bog. The stiffer spring doesn't seem to make much difference, if any. Any suggestions on how to proceed? Finally, I've started to hear a little "ticking" noise from under the hood (my perception anyway), especially under hard acceleration. It's not from pinging, as far as I can tell. I've had that before and this is different. You can hear it at idle when cold, but not very noticeable until I step on it. It was doing this before my distributor change and was a new noise then. It doesn't seem to affect performance in any way, other than making me a bit nervous. Is there any way to definitively diagnose such a noise? Without hearing it I know this is just guess work, but any ideas would be appreciated. Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11660 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 15:05:40 2009 From: "Mike Michels" To: "Steve Sage" , Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:05:22 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor and Other Advice Needed Steve, I have found that the blue stop bushing and the combination of one light silver spring and one heavy silver spring seems to approximate the stock distributor curve for the 289 as listed in the Rootes shop manual. I tried the two blue springs (more agressive curve) and that worked very well. Two light silver springs was way too aggressive and it pinged even on premium. I have the distributor set up with 34 degrees total advance (roughly 12 degrees at idle) on my engine, which has a 9.3:1 compression ratio with no pinging on mid grade (89 octane fuel) and it pulls nicely all through the rev range. General consensus is that total advance at high rpm is more important than idle and that you shouldn't go more than 36 degrees. The harmonic balancer should have an index mark at 36 and a spot of paint will make it easy to see with the timing light. . I have experienced a bog something like you describe but I think you are on the right track regarding carburation or other induction issues. I found that the completely stock aircleaner (1-1/2 inch filter element) with a deep breathing 4-barrel 289 doesn't flow enough. Does it happen without the air cleaner? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Sage" To: Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 1:25 PM Subject: [Tigers] Distributor and Other Advice Needed > Hello Tiger Fans: > Jane and I will be Tigering to SUNI this summer so we'll see you all > (hopefully) there. For anyone who hasn't gone to one of these, it's > definitely been worth it in the past. > > I just installed my new MSD 8350 distributor (with vacuum advance) on my > 289 Tiger and could use some advice from any distributor knowledgeable > people, being the super mechanic that I am. I've used the lightest advance > springs and set initial advance around 15 degrees (suggested by the speed > shop where I bought it). I've since worked on the advance and set it a bit > further forward for some more fun. It still idles great, starts right up, > and pulls well from a stop (except for a bog around 1700-1900 RPM that I > think is carb related) and doesn't ping. The power curve seems to level > out sooner than I want though. > > The distributor comes with four advance stop bushings to try. The shop > suggested I use the black bushing which adds (according to the chart that > came in the box) about 18 degrees to initial advance, which gives me > probably around 35-38 degrees total advance now. The kit has three other > bushings that will add progressively more total advance so my question is, > how much total advance can a 289 safely use? > > On my "bog" around 1700-1900 RPM; is that always caused by secondaries > coming in too soon? I've changed to a stiffer spring in the vacuum advance > pot, but still get a bog. The stiffer spring doesn't seem to make much > difference, if any. Any suggestions on how to proceed? > > Finally, I've started to hear a little "ticking" noise from under the hood > (my perception anyway), especially under hard acceleration. It's not from > pinging, as far as I can tell. I've had that before and this is different. > You can hear it at idle when cold, but not very noticeable until I step on > it. It was doing this before my distributor change and was a new noise > then. It doesn't seem to affect performance in any way, other than making > me a bit nervous. Is there any way to definitively diagnose such a noise? > Without hearing it I know this is just guess work, but any ideas would be > appreciated. > > Steve Sage > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11660 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 15:19:57 2009 From: phastphill@aol.com To: drmayf@mayfco.com, zymmer4@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:19:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'World's Fastest Indian' You can still get the book, Better than the movie.. ---- Original Message ---- From: drmayf To: Howard gentry Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:22 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'World's Fastest Indian' Howard, I am curious about your comment below.."a bit far fetched for my money," What is far fetched? This actually occurred and Burt Monro is still in the record books. While some artistic license might have happened, the underlying story is correct. Several of my land speed racing friends were there and indeed chipped in money for Burt, as seen in the movie. Only the tow car was an earlier model of chevy, lol... trailer looked just like still photos from the time. Yes, he did cast his own pistons and he did machine his own overhead valve heads for the old Indian flathead motor cycle. Burt Monro is an icon to most of us who do race on the salt.? ? mayf? Howard gentry wrote:? ? >Hi,? > This movie has been shown on direct tv for several years now..It is a? >good show..a bit far fetched for my money, but still a good story.? >Howard? >? >The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.? >? >--- On Thu, 1/29/09, Dave Munroe wrote:? >? >? >From: Dave Munroe ? >Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'World's Fastest Indian'? >To: "Paul R. Breuhan" , djoh797014@aol.com? >Cc: "Tigers Den" ? >Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 9:02 PM? >? >? >No question. One of the great "family"movies of all time.? >? >Being a motorcycle nut, my wife and her sister took me to this movie to earn? >some points.? >They expected another Marlon Brando clone - ended up laughing, crying,? >enthralled and left the theatre raving about? >how great it was. They recommend it to everyone as a great entertainment? >experience.? >? >You will love it too.? >? >Dave? >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------? >-----------------------------------? >? >? >Paul Bruhan wrote:? >? >Great Movie!...just watched it last week...one of the few DVDs I own.? >? >? >Paul? >? >? >? >Rent the DVD 'World's Fastest Indian'? >A great movie for gearheads. Stars Anthony Hopkins as the New Zealander who? >sets a Land Speed Record on his ancient Indian. He uses Black shoe polish to? >fill in the sidewall cracks. Borrows his neighbors carving knife to slice? >off tread to make a slick. Don't ask how he waters his lemon tree. True? >story.? >Dave Johnson? _______________________________________________? Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html? ? Tigers@autox.team.net? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers? ? http://www.team.net/archive? ________________________________________________________________________ GameVault: Play free online games at Gamevault.ca. Word arcade, puzzle and more. Play now! http://www.gamevault.ca/?icid=AOLGAM00310000000001 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 15:39:29 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Steve Sage , tigers@Autox.Team.Net, Mike Michels Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:39:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor and Other Advice Needed Steve- the word "clicking" make me think drive train- perhaps a lifter needing a slight tweak. I'm no expert in comparison to other members by any means. That's just what my first thought was after reading your post. A mechanics stethoscope will help in locating the area the noise is coming from or even a piece of broom handle cut off. The best feeling is when you locate it and the noise in coming from the generator or alternator and not internally from the engine. Good luck. TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 16:21:45 2009 From: KJENSSEN@aol.com To: fastsage@cox.net Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:21:13 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clicking & bog off idle Steve, I am by no means a technician....more of a back-yard mechanic. Here are a few thoughts. 1. You may wish to inspect all of the plug wires. I had a similar situation. One of the plug wires on my Tiger unfortunately was contacting my exhaust header and melted the insulation, causing a click or arcing sound. The performance decrease was also a dead give away ! 2. If you have a bog or hesitation, try moving the accelerator linkage to a different hole on the accelerator squirter. Maybe a nylon cam change is in order. Here is a link of a very good book by Des Hammill.....see page 42 _Click here: How to Build & Power Tune Holley ... - Google Book Search_ (http://books.google.com/books?id=oVZrJgUAlRYC&pg=PA39&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=0_0#PPA 42,M1) _http://books.google.com/books?id=oVZrJgUAlRYC&pg=PA39&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=0_ 0#PPA42,M1_ (http://books.google.com/books?id=oVZrJgUAlRYC&pg=PA39&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=0_0#PPA42,M1) also ...another link with info..... _http://www.stockcarracing.com/techarticles/scrp_0601_holley_accelerator_pump_ adjustment/index.html_ (http://www.stockcarracing.com/techarticles/scrp_0601_holley_accelerator_pump_adjustment/index.html) hope this info is of use. kj ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 1/31/2009 3:25:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, fastsage@cox.net writes: Hello Tiger Fans: Jane and I will be Tigering to SUNI this summer so we'll see you all (hopefully) there. For anyone who hasn't gone to one of these, it's definitely been worth it in the past. I just installed my new MSD 8350 distributor (with vacuum advance) on my 289 Tiger and could use some advice from any distributor knowledgeable people, being the super mechanic that I am. I've used the lightest advance springs and set initial advance around 15 degrees (suggested by the speed shop where I bought it). I've since worked on the advance and set it a bit further forward for some more fun. It still idles great, starts right up, and pulls well from a stop (except for a bog around 1700-1900 RPM that I think is carb related) and doesn't ping. The power curve seems to level out sooner than I want though. The distributor comes with four advance stop bushings to try. The shop suggested I use the black bushing which adds (according to the chart that came in the box) about 18 degrees to initial advance, which gives me probably around 35-38 degrees total advance now. The kit has three other bushings that will add progressively more total advance so my question is, how much total advance can a 289 safely use? On my "bog" around 1700-1900 RPM; is that always caused by secondaries coming in too soon? I've changed to a stiffer spring in the vacuum advance pot, but still get a bog. The stiffer spring doesn't seem to make much difference, if any. Any suggestions on how to proceed? Finally, I've started to hear a little "ticking" noise from under the hood (my perception anyway), especially under hard acceleration. It's not from pinging, as far as I can tell. I've had that before and this is different. You can hear it at idle when cold, but not very noticeable until I step on it. It was doing this before my distributor change and was a new noise then. It doesn't seem to affect performance in any way, other than making me a bit nervous. Is there any way to definitively diagnose such a noise? Without hearing it I know this is just guess work, but any ideas would be appreciated. Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11660 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 16:51:09 2009 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: Howard gentry , "drmayf@mayfco.com" Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:50:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'World's Fastest Indian' The DVD of the film also has a documentary filmed in the early 1970's by the producer/director (?) of The Worlds Fastest Indian. There are several instances where scenes from the documentary have made it in the film. There are also some deleted scenes that add a bit more to the movie. Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Howard gentry Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:12 AM To: drmayf@mayfco.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'World's Fastest Indian' Hi, All things being equal, I felt the "props", tow truck,etc, took a lot away from the "historical" aspects of the film. But, having said that, I am somewhat critical of those historical films. I do agree that it was not a documentary but a re-creation of a historical event. I also agree that Burt was a genious of a mechanical engineer and worthy of all the alcolades that he received..no doubt about it..:-) Howard The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Fri, 1/30/09, drmayf wrote: From: drmayf Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'World's Fastest Indian' To: "Howard gentry" Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 10:22 AM Howard, I am curious about your comment below.."a bit far fetched for my money," What is far fetched? This actually occurred and Burt Monro is still in the record books. While some artistic license might have happened, the underlying story is correct. Several of my land speed racing friends were there and indeed chipped in money for Burt, as seen in the movie. Only the tow car was an earlier model of chevy, lol... trailer looked just like still photos from the time. Yes, he did cast his own pistons and he did machine his own overhead valve heads for the old Indian flathead motor cycle. Burt Monro is an icon to most of us who do race on the salt. mayf Howard gentry wrote: >Hi, > This movie has been shown on direct tv for several years now..It >is a good show..a bit far fetched for my money, but still a good story. >Howard > >The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. > >--- On Thu, 1/29/09, Dave Munroe wrote: > > >From: Dave Munroe >Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'World's Fastest Indian' >To: "Paul R. Breuhan" , djoh797014@aol.com >Cc: "Tigers Den" >Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 9:02 PM > > >No question. One of the great "family"movies of all time. > >Being a motorcycle nut, my wife and her sister took me to this movie to >earn some points. >They expected another Marlon Brando clone - ended up laughing, crying, >enthralled and left the theatre raving about how great it was. They >recommend it to everyone as a great entertainment experience. > >You will love it too. > >Dave >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >----- - >----------------------------------- > > >Paul Bruhan wrote: > >Great Movie!...just watched it last week...one of the few DVDs I own. > > >Paul > > > >Rent the DVD 'World's Fastest Indian' >A great movie for gearheads. Stars Anthony Hopkins as the New Zealander >who sets a Land Speed Record on his ancient Indian. He uses Black shoe >polish to fill in the sidewall cracks. Borrows his neighbors carving >knife to slice off tread to make a slick. Don't ask how he waters his >lemon tree. True story. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 17:02:43 2009 From: "Andy Walker" To: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:02:17 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Ground strap Okay guys, I've been fooling around with Tigers now for thirty years and I've either forgotten an important tidbit of info or I never knew if for sure to begin with. Where exactly does the ground strap that grounds the engine to the chassis go on a Tiger Mk1A? Isn't it supposed to be a flat braided strap rather than a battery cable-looking wire? I've got a weird electrical issue and I'm wanting to eliminate that first. Can anybody help an old man who's losing his mind??? See you all at SUNI this summer, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 17:08:15 2009 From: Chris Thompson To: phastphill@aol.com Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:07:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'World's Fastest Indian' Which book are you talking about? Tim Hanna's? Chris phastphill@aol.com wrote: > You can still get the book, Better than the movie.. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 17:16:27 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Andy Walker'" , Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:15:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ground strap Andy Yes it is a braided strand strap. However I forget exactly where it attaches. Seems to me it was underneath on the passenger side. bellhousing to body? Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andy Walker Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 7:02 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Ground strap Okay guys, I've been fooling around with Tigers now for thirty years and I've either forgotten an important tidbit of info or I never knew if for sure to begin with. Where exactly does the ground strap that grounds the engine to the chassis go on a Tiger Mk1A? Isn't it supposed to be a flat braided strap rather than a battery cable-looking wire? I've got a weird electrical issue and I'm wanting to eliminate that first. Can anybody help an old man who's losing his mind??? See you all at SUNI this summer, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.16/1925 - Release Date: 01/30/09 07:37:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 18:12:54 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Steve Sage'" , Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:12:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor and Other Advice Needed Steve First I assume that for total advance you mean initial timing plus mechanical timing. Total advance is related to the compression ratio of the engine and your engine components. Less compression generally means you can add more total advance. Total advance of 35 - 38 sound about right; you might be able to push out to 40. Vacuum advance, the cruise economy side of timing, can pull advance out to 50 or so. I always recommend reading "Timing is everything" on FordMuscle. http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2000/03/timing/index.shtml You should always check the timing curve so you know exactly what you have and when. Check the mechanical timing at 500 or 1000 rpm increments up to 3000 rpm plus take vacuum readings. Check vacuum advance at idle with a hand held vacuum pump w/gage, from 1 to max reading for your engine. Record all values; this is your advance curve. Compare it to the one in the shop manual. The bog is probably in the carb setup. The real question is; is it going too lean or too rich? Can you disconnect the secondaries so you know it is in the secondary circuit? Secondary jets could be too big or too small. I don't normally work with 4bbl carbs, so I'm guessing here. I had some ticking noise in the lifters until I changed the 20-50w oil for 10-40w oil. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Sage Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 4:25 PM To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Distributor and Other Advice Needed Hello Tiger Fans: Jane and I will be Tigering to SUNI this summer so we'll see you all (hopefully) there. For anyone who hasn't gone to one of these, it's definitely been worth it in the past. I just installed my new MSD 8350 distributor (with vacuum advance) on my 289 Tiger and could use some advice from any distributor knowledgeable people, being the super mechanic that I am. I've used the lightest advance springs and set initial advance around 15 degrees (suggested by the speed shop where I bought it). I've since worked on the advance and set it a bit further forward for some more fun. It still idles great, starts right up, and pulls well from a stop (except for a bog around 1700-1900 RPM that I think is carb related) and doesn't ping. The power curve seems to level out sooner than I want though. The distributor comes with four advance stop bushings to try. The shop suggested I use the black bushing which adds (according to the chart that came in the box) about 18 degrees to initial advance, which gives me probably around 35-38 degrees total advance now. The kit has three other bushings that will add progressively more total advance so my question is, how much total advance can a 289 safely use? On my "bog" around 1700-1900 RPM; is that always caused by secondaries coming in too soon? I've changed to a stiffer spring in the vacuum advance pot, but still get a bog. The stiffer spring doesn't seem to make much difference, if any. Any suggestions on how to proceed? Finally, I've started to hear a little "ticking" noise from under the hood (my perception anyway), especially under hard acceleration. It's not from pinging, as far as I can tell. I've had that before and this is different. You can hear it at idle when cold, but not very noticeable until I step on it. It was doing this before my distributor change and was a new noise then. It doesn't seem to affect performance in any way, other than making me a bit nervous. Is there any way to definitively diagnose such a noise? Without hearing it I know this is just guess work, but any ideas would be appreciated. Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11660 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.16/1925 - Release Date: 01/30/09 07:37:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 19:38:24 2009 From: Steve Sage To: Mike Michels Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:37:54 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor and Other Advice Needed Hello Mike: Since I'm probably sitting at around 15 degrees at idle I may change to the blue stop cam which would give me another 20 degrees = 35 which is at the top as you mention. With the black stop now it gives another 15 + so I'm probably sitting at not much over 30 maximum now. That would explain the power curve dropping off too early like I feel it does now. I haven't tried to check out the bog without the air cleaner. Excellent suggestion. I'll do that tomorrow and see if it's better. I'm usually using the triangle after market air cleaner as I do notice more throttle response with that compared to the stock AC air cleaner. Steve Sage Mike Michels wrote: > Steve, I have found that the blue stop bushing and the combination of > one light silver spring and one heavy silver spring seems to > approximate the stock distributor curve.......................... > > General consensus is that total advance at high rpm is more important > than idle and that you shouldn't go more than 36 degrees. ................ . I have experienced a bog something like you describe but I think you are on the right track regarding carburation or other induction issues. I found that the completely stock aircleaner (1-1/2 inch filter element) with a deep breathing 4-barrel 289 doesn't flow enough. Does it happen without the air cleaner? .......... > > -- E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11660 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 19:40:41 2009 From: Steve Sage To: achd73@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:40:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor and Other Advice Needed Tony Somebody wrote: > Steve- the word "clicking" make me think drive train- perhaps a lifter needing a slight tweak................... > Tony: Interesting that you mention that. In fact I did listen with a stethescope today and the noise does seem to be coming from the second lifter from the front on the driver's side. A mechanhic friend of mine heard it yesterday and thought it could be an exhaust leak but didn't do more than give a quick listen. Steve E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11660 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 20:04:09 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, awtiger@cox.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 22:03:37 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ground strap Pretty sure it's the driver's side bellhousing and then to a hold down bolt for the clutch slave cylinder. Mark L **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 20:07:16 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, awtiger@cox.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 22:06:46 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ground strap No, that can't be right...at least one end goes to the clutch slave if I remember right. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 20:11:08 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: CoolVT@aol.com, rfraser@bluefrog.com, awtiger@cox.net, Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 22:10:38 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ground strap Okay, last try...one end was under a hold bolt for the clutch slave and I'm pretty sure the other end is on a flat plate of the body near the clutch slave. Pretty sure the hole was threaded. mark **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 20:26:02 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:25:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] brake flare tool I don't know if that was the discussion about one for stainless that me and Owain were having but we ended up getting the one from Mastercool. It is a hydraulic model and has a bunch of different flare options. I don't know if anyone else got the one from HF or Eastwood. This is a link to my page of tools that has a pic of the OTC one http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/AutomotiveTools.html HTH Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 1:12:36 PM Subject: [Tigers] brake flare tool A while back someone on the list commented that this Harbour Freight tool: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=99642 was the same as this Eastwood tool (but much cheaper): http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=18935&itemType=PRODUCT Did anyone try it out? Paul _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 22:02:22 2009 From: Sabr2th To: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 23:01:25 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] 5-speed conversion (or 6-speed) Have there been any new developments for putting an overdrive trans in the Tiger since the 2001 Dan Walters article? At one time, I thought there was development of a special tail housing casting in the works. Any new ideas out there? Thanks, Mark - Texas _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 22:16:00 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:16:00 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 5-speed conversion (or 6-speed) I think this is what you are thinking of. Tom (but not the "Tom" who created it) http://www.tigerengineering.net/T-5%20Pics/Transmission%20assembly/T5%20Tiger%20Installation%20watermark.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.16/1925 - Release Date: 1/30/2009 7:37 AM [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. 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