From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 1 09:53:10 2009 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:26:55 EST Subject: [Tigers] Panel Bond Hello, The last time (2000), I had my Tiger stripped to bare metal and painted, the tin worm had eaten into new rockers installed in 1979. On the recommendation of the body shop, an Owens Corning (I believe) adhesive was used to patch in the new metal instead of welding. His point was that welding flux, like rust, never sleeps. I can tell you that so far, it has worked perfectly. The advantage is that you can rust-treat the edges and faces of the new metal and patch it in. Claims are "as strong or stronger". Warranty is "life-time". Of course, not having read the fine print, is that me or the car? Anyway, there is more than one way to "skin a cat"................ Best regards, Jim Armstrong **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 1 10:08:10 2009 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:42:17 EST Subject: [Tigers] Hard Top side window question Hello again, Another Tiger owner and I have stripped our hardtops for restoration. A note or two. First, I've made a list of all the screws and washers, (lock and plain) used in the hardtop. It has separate columns for plate reference number, Rootes part number, description, and count. This is available by contacting me in a Word Doc. off-line. It is set up like the Alpine manual only with only the necessary replacement hardware. Made the ordering process from MSC for stainless hardware easier. QUESTION: We are replacing the quarter windows with the glass ones from the fellow in CA. The task of removing the old and reassembly seems a bit daunting. Those rivets. If anyone has done this before and can contribute a process, I would be much in your debt. Finally, anyone heard about new glass rear windows? Some talk about those a bit ago. I don't want to make the final assy. to heavy though. The lifting is awkward enough already. Best regards, Jim Armstrong **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 1 13:09:50 2009 From: Owain Lloyd To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:33:20 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] diff pinion oil seal hello, i wonder, does anyone have a clean way to remove the pinion oil seal? after withdrawing the flange, there is not much space between the pinion shaft and the seal to get a seal or bearing puller in there. my only idea is to punch holes in it or cut the inner lip, bend it outwards and pull it out with pliers but i'd be interested in a tried and tested method. on the subject, while i was doing this i found all four bolts holding the driveshaft to the differential flange were loose with only loctite holding the nuts on! i had only put them in last summer and used loctite on the old bolts and lock washers. i didn't replace them because the bolts were only about 3 years old and were grade 8. this time i'll certainly be using new lock washers. also, i noticed the bolt heads were facing the gearbox but the workshop manual says this should face the diff - not entirely sure why, but i'll be putting them in correctly this time. thanks, - owain. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 1 13:11:48 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Thomas Witt Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 11:47:46 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] "Queens English" Car Show So.Cal. March 8th, Tom, and Tigers, Thanks, Tom, for the "heads-up". This has always been a favorite venue for me. It was attended by Carroll Shelby, Jay Leno (exhibiting a car from hi collection, and many British car owners - Tigers and Alpines were in plentiful. You can exhibit your car for a nominal fee, and enter the contest. Sunbeam and other marques had their own sections. This event had been canceled for many years when the City of Los Angeles, whose park it is, decided amateur exhibitors must provide liability insurance. Looks like that order was either rescinded, or an "angel" was found. It's free to see, if you park in the lot, instead of the grassy exhibit area. Otherwise an entry is $15 for one car being exhibited. Go early, get good parking in either area. See it, and exhibit, if you can. Got Carroll's Signature last time we both were there. (Charity Donation expected). My car at 1999 exhibit, and Santa Monica Airport British Car Day (with good music) http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/laifman_s/default.asp and (with music, too) at: http://www.tigersunited.com/articles/sl-mc/SteveLaifman.asp Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Thomas Witt wrote: > For all the So. Cal. Tigers there is the "Queens English" car show at > Woodley Park (Van Nuys) on Sunday March 8th. http://www.queens-english.org/ > It looks like it starts at 9:00AM and the CAT web site lists it as the > location for the CAT general meeting at 11:00AM. > > They are also having something called an "Auto Jumble." As best I can tell > is a parts swap. > Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 1 14:40:36 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Rollright@aol.com Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 13:15:24 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Panel Bond Jim, If you mean that the "rockers" (rocker arms) on the cylinder heads, they are originally stamped steel, and Ford Part Number C2OZ-6564A. These are under oil film, and should not rust, much less be repaired with "plastic". If, however, you are referring to a body panel part, sometimes called "rocker panel", this is just sheet metal, and common to the same model year as the Alpine (Therefore not listed in the TigersUnited.com "Tiger Supplement Parts List") http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/FactParts.asp Repairs in this area have been from replacement steel stamped panels to brazing, leading (sometimes factory original), Bondo, etc. Some reference articles on TigersUnited.com are: * John Crawley's "The Restoration of PRRROWL"* http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/JCrawleyRest/rt-JCrawleyRest6.asp *Larry Paulick's "Restoring My 1965 MKI Tiger - A Guide to a Project"* http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickRestore/rt-PaulickRestore.asp A really excellent total restoration project by Tom Witt's - *Tiger 101*, that includes a discussion off Bondo and Panel Repair: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/WittResto101/rt-WittResto101A.asp All of these referenced contents can be easily found through the "SEARCH" magnifying glass link on every page. I just used "bondo" for the search. A very handy tool for a LARGE content of data. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Rollright@aol.com wrote: > Hello, > > The last time (2000), I had my Tiger stripped to bare metal and painted, the > tin worm had eaten into new rockers installed in 1979. > > On the recommendation of the body shop, an Owens Corning (I believe) > adhesive was used to patch in the new metal instead of welding. His point was that > welding flux, like rust, never sleeps. I can tell you that so far, it has > worked perfectly. The advantage is that you can rust-treat the edges and faces of > the new metal and patch it in. Claims are "as strong or stronger". Warranty > is "life-time". Of course, not having read the fine print, is that me or the > car? > > Anyway, there is more than one way to "skin a cat"................ > > Best regards, > > Jim Armstrong > ************** _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 1 14:56:05 2009 From: To: Steve Laifman , Thomas Witt Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:26:41 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] "Queens English" Car Show So.Cal. March 8th, I've been registered for awhile for this. Never been but hear it's a nice meet. Weather may not cooperate. Forecast is for rain Monday through Friday so I fear a car show on the grass the following weekend might not happen. Steve ---- Steve Laifman wrote: > Tom, and Tigers, > > Thanks, Tom, for the "heads-up". This has always been a favorite venue > for me. It was attended by Carroll Shelby, Jay Leno (exhibiting a car > from hi collection, and many British car owners - Tigers and Alpines > were in plentiful. > > You can exhibit your car for a nominal fee, and enter the contest. > Sunbeam and other marques had their own sections. > > This event had been canceled for many years when the City of Los > Angeles, whose park it is, decided amateur exhibitors must provide > liability insurance. Looks like that order was either rescinded, or an > "angel" was found. > > It's free to see, if you park in the lot, instead of the grassy exhibit > area. Otherwise an entry is $15 for one car being exhibited. Go early, > get good parking in either area. > > See it, and exhibit, if you can. Got Carroll's Signature last time we > both were there. (Charity Donation expected). > > My car at 1999 exhibit, and Santa Monica Airport British Car Day (with > good music) > > http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/laifman_s/default.asp > > and (with music, too) at: > > http://www.tigersunited.com/articles/sl-mc/SteveLaifman.asp > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > Thomas Witt wrote: > > For all the So. Cal. Tigers there is the "Queens English" car show at > > Woodley Park (Van Nuys) on Sunday March 8th. http://www.queens-english.org/ > > It looks like it starts at 9:00AM and the CAT web site lists it as the > > location for the CAT general meeting at 11:00AM. > > > > They are also having something called an "Auto Jumble." As best I can tell > > is a parts swap. > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 1 17:05:10 2009 From: David Sosna To: Bob Danielson <75TR6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:03:58 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] "Queens English" Car Show So.Cal. March 8th, Tom, thanks! Hadn't had a clue about this one--weather permitting, I'd like to be there. Though I've 'turned Japanese' (heh!), there's something lovable about old Brit iron. Best Regards David Sosna Thomas Witt wrote: > For all the So. Cal. Tigers there is the "Queens English" car show at > Woodley Park (Van Nuys) on Sunday March 8th. http://www.queens-english.org/ > It looks like it starts at 9:00AM and the CAT web site lists it as the > location for the CAT general meeting at 11:00AM. > > They are also having something called an "Auto Jumble." As best I can tell > is a parts swap. > Tom > > > [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried > to parse but could not find any section which it could render. 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Pickard" To: Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:33:13 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] steering column disassembly While I have the steering column out, I've noticed it doesn't rotate smoothly (surprise, surprise after 45 years). I find the disassembly instructions in the shop manual to be vague and cryptic (more surprises). Does anybody have better directions to disassemble, clean, and reassemble the steering column? This is the last disassembly I need to perform before I can finally start putting Tigger back together. Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 2 11:09:06 2009 From: "Jerry" To: , Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:08:30 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hard Top side window question Jim, You might look into a product that has a very high resistant to scratching and crazing, It's called Lexan MR10. A friend of mine just put it in all of his windows on his race ready Mustang. If I have to replace my 1/4 windows again I'm definitely going to use it. I wish someone knew how to "form" a piece for the rear window????. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 10:42 AM To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Cc: onegonefish@comcast.net Subject: [Tigers] Hard Top side window question Hello again, Another Tiger owner and I have stripped our hardtops for restoration. A note or two. First, I've made a list of all the screws and washers, (lock and plain) used in the hardtop. It has separate columns for plate reference number, Rootes part number, description, and count. This is available by contacting me in a Word Doc. off-line. It is set up like the Alpine manual only with only the necessary replacement hardware. Made the ordering process from MSC for stainless hardware easier. QUESTION: We are replacing the quarter windows with the glass ones from the fellow in CA. The task of removing the old and reassembly seems a bit daunting. Those rivets. If anyone has done this before and can contribute a process, I would be much in your debt. Finally, anyone heard about new glass rear windows? Some talk about those a bit ago. I don't want to make the final assy. to heavy though. The lifting is awkward enough already. Best regards, Jim Armstrong **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 2 11:38:46 2009 From: "Jerry" To: "'James E. Pickard'" , Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:38:23 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] steering column disassembly Jim, When I did mine many years ago, I followed the shop manual, I think if you start taking it apart you'll see that it isn't all that complicated. The thing I remember is the bottom bearing is a little "exposed" to the elements and I did something to give a little more protection, but now as I sit here I don't remember if I used a Teflon or felt "washer" on the end to help foreign matter entering the bearing. However, whatever you do make sure you use the highest temp. grease you can find (500 degrees or better) Because of it's close proximity to the exhaust manifold (headers). Another quality is high resistance to water. Good luck Jerry Christopherson -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James E. Pickard Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 10:33 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] steering column disassembly While I have the steering column out, I've noticed it doesn't rotate smoothly (surprise, surprise after 45 years). I find the disassembly instructions in the shop manual to be vague and cryptic (more surprises). Does anybody have better directions to disassemble, clean, and reassemble the steering column? This is the last disassembly I need to perform before I can finally start putting Tigger back together. Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 2 12:19:28 2009 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:18:46 EST Subject: [Tigers] quarter window replacement help request Hello, This was buried in a letter to the list serve I wrote end of last week. Didn't hear from anyone so I'll try again. QUESTION: We are replacing the hardtop quarter windows with the glass ones from the fellow in CA. The task of removing the old and reassembly seems a bit daunting. Those rivets. If anyone has done this before and can contribute a process, I would be much in your debt. Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 2 12:41:45 2009 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: Rollright@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:41:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] quarter window replacement help request Hi Jim, I replaced mine with Tom Hall/STOA glass in the 1975-1979 timeframe but they still look great... IIRC, all I did was drill out the old rivets, change the glass and then re-pop-rivet it. I just went out and looked at them, I see I could not do the underside one closest the rear corner. Only one rivet there but I have never had a problem and you have to look underneath to see it ;-) Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Sent: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] quarter window replacement help request Hello, This was buried in a letter to the list serve I wrote end of last week. Didn't hear from anyone so I'll try again. QUESTION: We are replacing the hardtop quarter windows with the glass ones from the fellow in CA. The task of removing the old and reassembly seems a bit daunting. Those rivets. If anyone has done this before and can contribute a process, I would be much in your debt. Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 2 12:48:14 2009 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: garywinblad@comcast.net Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:47:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] quarter window replacement help request Oh, Jim, I see you are using glass replacements! If they are like mine, they are thicker than plexi. I still remember Tom Hall telling me the technique: Remove the factory rubber seal. Put electrical black tape around the edge of the new glass. Install in frame (pop rivet in). Take a razor blade or exacto and cut tape at the metal frame, peal off the excess. Re install in the top Like I said in the last email, they look great after thirty years. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: Rollright@aol.com Cc: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Sent: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:41:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] quarter window replacement help request Hi Jim, I replaced mine with Tom Hall/STOA glass in the 1975-1979 timeframe but they still look great... IIRC, all I did was drill out the old rivets, change the glass and then re-pop-rivet it. I just went out and looked at them, I see I could not do the underside one closest the rear corner. Only one rivet there but I have never had a problem and you have to look underneath to see it ;-) Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Sent: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] quarter window replacement help request Hello, This was buried in a letter to the list serve I wrote end of last week. Didn't hear from anyone so I'll try again. QUESTION: We are replacing the hardtop quarter windows with the glass ones from the fellow in CA. The task of removing the old and reassembly seems a bit daunting. Those rivets. If anyone has done this before and can contribute a process, I would be much in your debt. Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 2 12:50:36 2009 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: garywinblad@comcast.net, Rollright@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:49:43 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] quarter window replacement help request If you have screws in the frames check that they don't hit the glass. A lot I've seen with plex have the screws going against the plex. A NO NO with glass. Grind them down or get shorter ones. In a message dated 3/2/2009 11:41:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, garywinblad@comcast.net writes: Hi Jim, I replaced mine with Tom Hall/STOA glass in the 1975-1979 timeframe but they still look great... IIRC, all I did was drill out the old rivets, change the glass and then re-pop-rivet it. I just went out and looked at them, I see I could not do the underside one closest the rear corner. Only one rivet there but I have never had a problem and you have to look underneath to see it ;-) Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Sent: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] quarter window replacement help request Hello, This was buried in a letter to the list serve I wrote end of last week. Didn't hear from anyone so I'll try again. QUESTION: We are replacing the hardtop quarter windows with the glass ones from the fellow in CA. The task of removing the old and reassembly seems a bit daunting. Those rivets. If anyone has done this before and can contribute a process, I would be much in your debt. Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 2 16:55:39 2009 From: "James E. Pickard" To: Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:55:09 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Steering column Has anyone replace the ball bearing in the steering column (which are apparently loose) with modern bearing? I've got a local bearing shop that stocks nearly every standard size. I assume these can't be that bizarre a size. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 2 17:04:04 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, "James E. Pickard" Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:03:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering column Jim There is a well known Tiger person who rebuilds steering colloums. Im sure SOMEWHERE I have his name and number. I think he used to run an add in CAT or TE/AE. I also have no idea if he is on the LIST but one of our members surely knows the person Im talking about. He would know more than anyone as he has prolly rebuilt more collums than any other owners. I would think if you had a new bearing from SS- if they are available that a sealed bearing like I think you want to use is available. Like you mentioned, a bearng supply here in the midwest carries about any size imanginable, including metric. If you can mic the shaft and measure the bore- again, only guessing its the same size from end to end, I cant imangine the bearing you seek not being sold. Much luck. TtT --- On Mon, 3/2/09, James E. Pickard wrote: From: James E. Pickard Subject: [Tigers] Steering column To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 5:55 PM Has anyone replace the ball bearing in the steering column (which are apparently loose) with modern bearing? I've got a local bearing shop that stocks nearly every standard size. I assume these can't be that bizarre a size. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 2 18:10:18 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Tony Somebody Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:09:46 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering column Tony, and Jim, It is Jim Leach, of the PTC (Pacific Tiger Club, Seattle) that is the expert you are looking for. TIGEROOTES@aol.com and you can read about him at: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/jl-lds/PTC.asp and all sorts of steering and front suspension comments from him and well known personalities: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-frontsusp.asp Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Tony Somebody wrote: > Jim > There is a well known Tiger person who rebuilds steering colloums. Im sure > SOMEWHERE I have his name and number. I think he used to run an add in CAT or > TE/AE. I also have no idea if he is on the LIST but one of our members surely > knows the person Im talking about. He would know more than anyone as he has > prolly rebuilt more collums than any other owners. I would think if you had a > new bearing from SS- if they are available that a sealed bearing like I think > you want to use is available. Like you mentioned, a bearng supply here in the > midwest carries about any size imanginable, including metric. If you can mic > the shaft and measure the bore- again, only guessing its the same size from > end to end, I cant imangine the bearing you seek not being sold. > Much luck. > TtT > > --- On Mon, 3/2/09, James E. Pickard wrote: > > > From: James E. Pickard > Subject: [Tigers] Steering column > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 5:55 PM > > > Has anyone replace the ball bearing in the steering column (which are > apparently loose) with modern bearing? I've got a local bearing shop that > stocks nearly every standard size. I assume these can't be that bizarre a > size. > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold > 2003 Mini Cooper > Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 2 20:07:43 2009 From: BEAU2EVE@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:07:05 EST Subject: [Tigers] gypeman black dash tiger I know it sounds like a stupid request but, does anyone know the song that he plays with that vidio? It's a great song for a great car. gypeman.com Beau **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 2 20:28:38 2009 From: Drmoonstone@aol.com To: JCMC2006@suddenlink.net, Rollright@aol.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:27:37 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hard Top side window question In a message dated 3/2/09 10:09:21 AM, JCMC2006@suddenlink.net writes: > You might look into a product that has a very high resistant to scratching > and crazing, It's called Lexan MR10. > At last check, Lexan of any type is very poor in the sun. It has the tendency to discolor and craze. Moonstone ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072 %26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 3 02:51:49 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Tony Someone Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 01:51:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk1 vs Mk2 shifters Recently there have been a couple of supposed Tiger shifters on epay. I contacted the seller, claiming that Hurst still sells the shifters and new where as cheap as his used. I was talking pure speculation in all truthfullness. In 1972 when I bought my first Mk1A, it needed a clutch bad and soon the shifter was hanging up. I sought a Hurst shifter. The book listed two and I was 19, I was as green as you could be concerning Tigers- Heck, Sunbeams peroidd. Although I did have a teacher in military school who drove a Singer. The shifter didnt bolt up. So, we used the mounting plate along with the stock mounting plate and cut the shift hole to fit the new shifter position. I think I may have purchased a Mk2 Hurst shifter. I still have that shifter and Im now wondering if those with the proper parts books can shed any light on the subject. Did all Tigers have the same shifter and or if so, did they perhaps have a different mounting plate. I know there was a difference in close ratio trannys but that means nothing shifter wise. Anyone with information or opinions, please give the list a new subject. Thanks to all. Im planning on traveling to Suni, so Im looking forward to having faces to match names. warmly, TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 3 12:57:42 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:48:00 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] gypeman black dash tiger Collective Soul, "new vibration". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phsQBNmPBkM Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BEAU2EVE@aol.com > Sent: March 2, 2009 8:07 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] gypeman black dash tiger > > I know it sounds like a stupid request but, does anyone know > the song that he plays with that vidio? > It's a great song for a great car. gypeman.com > > Beau _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 3 15:32:30 2009 From: michael king To: Tony Somebody Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:31:51 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk1 vs Mk2 shifters Well IIRC there are 3 or 4 types of shifter in the BON. There are the short shifters on the T10 boxes on the early Tigers, then there is a short shifter on the early toplaoders (perhaps 2 but maybe the difference was just the shifter knob?) and then there is the long cranked shifter for the toploader on all the other tigers. I can see maybe the T10 having a different location for the bolts.. but i figure all the topladers used in the Tigers would be the same.. anyone? -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 4 20:40:43 2009 From: "J. Nichols" To: Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:40:50 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] This one may be a goner! A 12 foot drop may have been 12 feet too many for this Tiger. Ebay Item number: 230329201187. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 4 20:45:41 2009 From: michael king To: "J. Nichols" Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:44:41 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] This one may be a goner! Is a MKI.. if you look at the engine compartment the VIN tag is facing the wrong direction.. wonder if it popped off the left rivert in the crash... you'd be happy to walk away from that sort of crash.. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 5 10:14:37 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:14:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Tools and Such Don't know if anyone needs this but seems a few might. It's a 15% discount from Enco. They have machine tools, supplies, etc. Seems everyone is looking for business and giving some good discounts. I have bought drills, dial calipers, dyechem, taps, odd things like that. One nice thing is they have both the USA brands and IMPORT. http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INPAGE?DCMP=EMC-1830466&PMPAGE=Email/email1c.html Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 5 12:04:48 2009 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: Jeff Nichols , Tigers Den Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:01:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] This one may be a goner! Amazing. I like the description..."The good: other than the damage from the accident, the car is in excellent shape...No rust in the car..." Paul > From: jxnichols@sbcglobal.net > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:40:50 -0500 > Subject: [Tigers] This one may be a goner! > > A 12 foot drop may have been 12 feet too many for this Tiger. Ebay Item > number: 230329201187. > > > Jeff _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cn s!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 5 12:14:01 2009 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: Tigers Den Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:05:33 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] And speaking of Ebay... Surprised nobody has brought up the high dollar Alger...Item#190290950352 Really, instead of racing that green Tiger and wrecking it...this Alger would be better suited for adventure. Paul _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_ WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 5 13:15:39 2009 From: "TM" To: "Tiger Email List" Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:14:14 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] clock I was wondering if any body could tell what the 3030/00 clock for the early tigers has on the face. I know the 3 and the 9 lay down, but what is written above the 12 and below the 6. I am trying to get it right. I will be converting one to quartz and want the right face for 65 tiger, someone is doing the lettering. Thanks Terry strombecker@telus.net B9471362 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 5 14:15:43 2009 From: To: Tiger Email List , TM Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:15:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] clock Hope this link will help. Best online clock info I've found I've heard the CAT club is about to offer a repo Tiger clock. http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/index.php?categoryid=82&p2_articleid=7 Steve R B9473720 ---- TM wrote: > I was wondering if any body could tell what the 3030/00 clock for the early > tigers has on the face. I know the 3 and the 9 lay down, but what is written > above the 12 and below the 6. I am trying to get it right. I will be > converting one to quartz and want the right face for 65 tiger, someone is > doing the lettering. > > Thanks Terry > strombecker@telus.net > B9471362 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 5 15:19:08 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'TM'" , "'Tiger Email List'" Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:14:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] clock Terry I have a 3131/01 clock; "For Negative Earth" is above the 12 , below the 6 - "Made in U.K. CE 3131/01". The 3030/00 is probably similar but I do not have one to reference. Hopefully someone who has that clock will confirm the text. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TM Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:14 PM To: Tiger Email List Subject: [Tigers] clock I was wondering if any body could tell what the 3030/00 clock for the early tigers has on the face. I know the 3 and the 9 lay down, but what is written above the 12 and below the 6. I am trying to get it right. I will be converting one to quartz and want the right face for 65 tiger, someone is doing the lettering. Thanks Terry strombecker@telus.net B9471362 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.7/1983 - Release Date: 03/05/09 07:54:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 5 15:19:22 2009 From: "Schonberger, Barry K" To: Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:16:33 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Part # for dual brake master I have three possible dual brake master cylinders for the Tiger. Can anyone share with me the difference, if any, in these parts and confirm part #? Thanks Nissan Dual master, NAPA #? 74-77 Mazda pickup NAPA 39254 Application ?, NAPA 257495 Barry _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 5 17:07:58 2009 From: "J. Nichols" To: "Paul R. Breuhan" , "Tigers Den" Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 18:46:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] This one may be a goner! I'm suprised he didn't get killed or end up in a hospital. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul R. Breuhan To: Jeff Nichols ; Tigers Den Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 14:01 Subject: RE: [Tigers] This one may be a goner! Amazing. I like the description..."The good: other than the damage from the accident, the car is in excellent shape...No rust in the car..." Paul > From: jxnichols@sbcglobal.net > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:40:50 -0500 > Subject: [Tigers] This one may be a goner! > > A 12 foot drop may have been 12 feet too many for this Tiger. Ebay Item > number: 230329201187. > > > Jeff ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Windows Live Contacts: Organize your contact list. Check it out. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 5 17:37:02 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: "J. Nichols" Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:16:14 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] This one may be a goner! Just what you need! An inexpensive way to create an Alpine S5. < ; -) Hardly anyone will detect it's "origins". Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com J. Nichols wrote: > A 12 foot drop may have been 12 feet too many for this Tiger. Ebay Item > number: 230329201187. > > > Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 5 17:51:56 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:28:23 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Part # for dual brake master Barry, The Nissan (I assume actually..., possibly Datsun?) came in an 11/16" and 3/4" size. Some were for booster type cars and do not have a standard connection to the brake pedal. Some of the early 1970's Datsun Pick-Ups were 3/4" and of a non booster type. Perhaps some of the early 510's as well. I have a 1973 510, but I believe it is 11/16". I don't have a NAPA number, but perhaps you can find something by the applications I presented. I actual have installed a Datsun 710, 3/4", booster type M/C on my Tiger. In my case I used an adjustable push rod form a Volvo 122. I had to grind down both the tip and the piston stop, but the retaining clip holds it well. The mounting holes need to be filed slightly to fit. Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 03/05/09 07:54:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 5 18:39:49 2009 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: , , Tigers Den Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:08:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] clock...anyone out there with a CE.3030/00 clock??? Ron, Good information...I will file that in my memory bank...anyone out there with a CE.3030/00 clock??? I am hoping to wrap this up sooner than later...please email me if you have any info. Thanks, Paul > From: rfraser@bluefrog.com > To: strombecker@telus.net; tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:14:32 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Tigers] clock > > Terry > I have a 3131/01 clock; "For Negative Earth" is above the 12 , below > the 6 - "Made in U.K. CE 3131/01". > > The 3030/00 is probably similar but I do not have one to reference. > > Hopefully someone who has that clock will confirm the text. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of TM > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:14 PM > To: Tiger Email List > Subject: [Tigers] clock > > > I was wondering if any body could tell what the 3030/00 clock for the early > tigers has on the face. I know the 3 and the 9 lay down, but what is > written above the 12 and below the 6. I am trying to get it right. I will > be converting one to quartz and want the right face for 65 tiger, someone is > doing the lettering. > > Thanks Terry > strombecker@telus.net > B9471362 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Contacts: Organize your contact list. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 5 18:53:54 2009 From: To: "J. Nichols" , Steve Laifman Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:28:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] This one may be a goner! Aren't those know as Tipines ? ---- Steve Laifman wrote: > Just what you need! > > An inexpensive way to create an Alpine S5. < ; -) > > Hardly anyone will detect it's "origins". > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > J. Nichols wrote: > > A 12 foot drop may have been 12 feet too many for this Tiger. Ebay Item > > number: 230329201187. > > > > > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 5 19:08:47 2009 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: prbreuhan@hotmail.com, rfraser@bluefrog.com, strombecker@telus.net, Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:45:38 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] clock...anyone out there with a CE.3030/00 clock??? Got a CE 3112/01. Any one know what it fits? In a message dated 3/5/2009 5:40:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, prbreuhan@hotmail.com writes: Ron, Good information...I will file that in my memory bank...anyone out there with a CE.3030/00 clock??? I am hoping to wrap this up sooner than later...please email me if you have any info. Thanks, Paul > From: rfraser@bluefrog.com > To: strombecker@telus.net; tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:14:32 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Tigers] clock > > Terry > I have a 3131/01 clock; "For Negative Earth" is above the 12 , below > the 6 - "Made in U.K. CE 3131/01". > > The 3030/00 is probably similar but I do not have one to reference. > > Hopefully someone who has that clock will confirm the text. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of TM > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:14 PM > To: Tiger Email List > Subject: [Tigers] clock > > > I was wondering if any body could tell what the 3030/00 clock for the early > tigers has on the face. I know the 3 and the 9 lay down, but what is > written above the 12 and below the 6. I am trying to get it right. I will > be converting one to quartz and want the right face for 65 tiger, someone is > doing the lettering. > > Thanks Terry > strombecker@telus.net > B9471362 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Contacts: Organize your contact list. Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive B382002560 **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 5 19:40:13 2009 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: sralsten@ca.rr.com, jxnichols@sbcglobal.net, SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:09:18 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] This one may be a goner! I don't know, but there seems to be a bunch of really good parts on that car and it is, possibly, just an Alpine front clip away from being a Tiger driver...glad the driver was OK...built "Sunbeam Tough"... Mike In a message dated 3/5/2009 5:53:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, sralsten@ca.rr.com writes: Aren't those know as Tipines ? ---- Steve Laifman wrote: > Just what you need! > > An inexpensive way to create an Alpine S5. < ; -) > > Hardly anyone will detect it's "origins". > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > J. Nichols wrote: > > A 12 foot drop may have been 12 feet too many for this Tiger. Ebay Item > > number: 230329201187. > > > > > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 6 07:39:50 2009 From: "Sigma Engineering" To: "Schonberger, Barry K" , Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:39:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Part # for dual brake master I saved this info from the Classic Motorsports article on Tim's build... hope that helps, Chris Tiger Brake System - Classic Motorsports They used the stock tiger setup except: 1) New Dual master cylinder 1980 Subaru 1600 master cylinder w/ 13/16" bore. p/n 954 783 7003 (<$200) (check p/n) This required machining a little off the original tiger mc spacer. Also, grind a little taper on the push rod to seat better. 2) Removed the Brake Booster Car did not need booster with this master cylinder. 3) Added Classic Tube stainless steel brake line kit for the Tiger. Available from www.classictube.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schonberger, Barry K" To: Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:16 PM Subject: [Tigers] Part # for dual brake master > I have three possible dual brake master cylinders for the Tiger. Can > anyone share with me the difference, if any, in these parts and confirm > part #? Thanks > > > > Nissan Dual master, NAPA #? > > 74-77 Mazda pickup NAPA 39254 > > Application ?, NAPA 257495 > > > > Barry > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 6 19:32:00 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:31:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Dana 44 Diff cover Anyone run one of these on a tiger? http://www.taperformance.com/proddetail.asp?prod=TA%5F1814 One thing that came to mind with this is it might be a good base for a watts link center besides support for the bearing caps. Which I don't think we would have any issues giving the size of the tires on the tiger. Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 7 21:29:05 2009 From: "J. Nichols" To: Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 23:29:12 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Kalifornia Kuztomizing at its best and its Green! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2134260908== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C99F7C.85E37FD0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C99F7C.85E37FD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is a car for the Greenies, a propane powered Alpine, Ebay # = 320347547736. The wheels look interesting, too bad about the flat = tire. I see the car draws a crowd based on the guy in the background = checking it out. =20 = Jeff ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C99F7C.85E37FD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here is a car for the Greenies, a = propane powered=20 Alpine,  Ebay # 320347547736.   The wheels look = interesting, too bad about the flat tire.   I see the car = draws a=20 crowd based on the guy in the background checking it out.  =
 
 
          &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;      =20 Jeff
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C99F7C.85E37FD0-- --===============2134260908== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============2134260908==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 7 21:54:06 2009 From: "J. Nichols" To: Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 23:54:28 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 427 Powered Sunbeam Tiger This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1004270876== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C99F80.0D2B46A0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C99F80.0D2B46A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At the Autorama in Detroit along with the street rods there was Sunbeam = Tiger powered by a 427 Ford engine. Needless to say, there were a lot = of modifications to fit the engine in the car and it was very well done. = It may have been a case of adding body panels to a custom frame based on = the info board. The owner is a Michael Freidlander. Are there any = other 427 powered Sunbeams out there or is this the only one? = =20 = Jeff ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C99F80.0D2B46A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
At the Autorama in Detroit along with = the street=20 rods there was Sunbeam Tiger powered by a 427 Ford engine.  = Needless to=20 say, there were a lot of modifications to fit the engine in the car and = it was=20 very well done. It may have been a case of adding body panels to a = custom=20 frame based on the info board.   The owner is a Michael=20 Freidlander.  Are there any other 427 powered Sunbeams out there or = is this=20 the only=20 one?           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         =20
 
 
          &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;         =20 Jeff
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C99F80.0D2B46A0-- --===============1004270876== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============1004270876==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 7 21:56:44 2009 From: michael king To: "J. Nichols" Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:56:15 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 427 Powered Sunbeam Tiger --===============1798810331== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1a67671d3df04649456e4 --000e0cd1a67671d3df04649456e4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff, Was this a red car with stripes.. i think it was on ebay a while back.. or maybe on some hot rod site.. wither way i rember a 427 powered tiger.. different rear end etc. Now.. in the Uk there is someone who managed to squeeze in a 427 without butchering the car to much.. i wish i knew more of that car.. was either very dark blue or black. -- Regards Michael King --000e0cd1a67671d3df04649456e4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jeff,
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Was this a red car with stripes.. i think it was on ebay a while back.= . or maybe on some hot rod site.. wither way i rember a 427 powered tiger..= different rear end etc.
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Now.. in the Uk there is someone who managed to squeeze in a 427 witho= ut butchering the car to much.. i wish i knew more of that car.. was either= very dark blue or black.
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Regards

Michael King
--000e0cd1a67671d3df04649456e4-- --===============1798810331== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============1798810331==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 7 23:07:55 2009 From: drmayf To: michael king Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 22:07:18 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 427 Powered Sunbeam Tiger Well, you can get a 351 based engine with 427 cubes now adays. Not much butchery involved. By the way, what was this message all about anyway? Or was it a PM that went astray, lol.. mayf michael king wrote: > Jeff, > > Was this a red car with stripes.. i think it was on ebay a while > back.. or maybe on some hot rod site.. wither way i rember a 427 > powered tiger.. different rear end etc. > > Now.. in the Uk there is someone who managed to squeeze in a 427 > without butchering the car to much.. i wish i knew more of that car.. > was either very dark blue or black. > -- > Regards > > Michael King > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 8 03:38:00 2009 From: Jeff Howarth To: "J. Nichols" Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:42:26 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Kalifornia Kuztomizing at its best and its Green! Jeff, I have seen pics of this car before, a previous owner obviously had the = AMT model Tiger on his shelf when he had too many beers one night and = set to work with the bondo ! :-) In message <000d01c99fa6$6f6ea700$6401a8c0@your03667082de>, J. Nichols = writes >Here is a car for the Greenies, a propane powered Alpine, =A0Ebay # >320347547736.=A0=A0=A0The wheels=A0look interesting, too bad about the fla= t tire.=A0=A0 I >see the car draws a crowd based on the guy in the background checking it >out.=A0 >=A0 >=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 >Jeff >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive -- = Jeff Howarth _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 8 08:02:11 2009 From: "George Re" To: "tigers" Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:00:55 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Bearing Question? (Conecting) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0250148296== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006B_01C99FDD.27807A90" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C99FDD.27807A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello I have a question got my block back (260) from the machine shop = and was putting in the first piston my question is the rod bearing I took out had a oil = hole in the upper bearing but the bearing that I am installing DO NOT have a oil hole in the upper = bearing? are these=20 the correct bearing? the parts store say they are correct Thanks=20 George ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C99FDD.27807A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello I have a question got my block = back =20 (260) from the machine shop and was putting
in the first piston my question is the = rod bearing=20 I took out had a oil hole in the upper bearing
but the bearing that I am installing DO = NOT have a=20 oil hole in the upper bearing? are these
the correct bearing? the parts store = say they are=20 correct
 
Thanks
George
------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C99FDD.27807A90-- --===============0250148296== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============0250148296==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 8 08:58:04 2009 From: THEO SMIT To: George Re Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 09:57:00 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bearing Question? (Conecting) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1775858177== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--ae505ffc20b6d2d72314b Content-language: en This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----ae505ffc20b6d2d72314b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If the rods have a piston oiling hole in the main bearing saddle=2C then= you should be using bearings that have a matching hole so that the oil = can get squirted up to the piston when the oil passage in the crank pass= es it by=2E Maybe the bearing halves are different for the upper saddle = and the rod bearing cap=3F Theo ----- Original Message ----- From=3A George Re =3CMgman71=40comcast=2Enet=3E Date=3A Sunday=2C March 8=2C 2009 9=3A00 am Subject=3A =5BTigers=5D Bearing Question=3F (Conecting) To=3A tigers =3Ctigers=40autox=2Eteam=2Enet=3E =3E Hello I have a question got my block back=A0 (260) from the = =3E machine shop and was putting =3E in the first piston my question is the rod bearing I took out = =3E had a oil hole in the upper bearing =3E but the bearing that I am installing DO NOT have a oil hole in = =3E the upper bearing=3F are these = =3E the correct bearing=3F the parts store say they are correct =3E = =3E Thanks = =3E George ----ae505ffc20b6d2d72314b Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If the rods have a piston oiling hole in the main bearing saddle, then you should be using bearings that have a matching hole so that the oil can get squirted up to the piston when the oil passage in the crank passes it by. Maybe the bearing halves are different for the upper saddle and the rod bearing cap?

Theo

----- Original Message -----
From: George Re <Mgman71@comcast.net>
Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009 9:00 am
Subject: [Tigers] Bearing Question? (Conecting)
To: tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>

> Hello I have a question got my block back  (260) from the
> machine shop and was putting
> in the first piston my question is the rod bearing I took out
> had a oil hole in the upper bearing
> but the bearing that I am installing DO NOT have a oil hole in
> the upper bearing? are these
> the correct bearing? the parts store say they are correct
>
> Thanks
> George ----ae505ffc20b6d2d72314b-- --===============1775858177== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============1775858177==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 8 09:00:42 2009 From: drmayf To: George Re Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 09:00:13 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ****SPAM**** Bearing Question? (Conecting) George Re wrote: > Hello I have a question got my block back (260) from the machine shop > and was putting > in the first piston my question is the rod bearing I took out had a > oil hole in the upper bearing > but the bearing that I am installing DO NOT have a oil hole in the > upper bearing? are these > the correct bearing? the parts store say they are correct > > Thanks > George > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > Rod bearings are made such that either half of the pair can go on the rod cap or the rod side. mayf _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 8 16:41:28 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 18:42:13 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Bearings Question This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0559299129== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C9A01D.9B021330" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C9A01D.9B021330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just for fun I pulled out all the old bearings to see all the date codes. Rod bearings - 10 are 7 4 = July 1964, 5 are10 3 = Oct 1963, 1 is 5 4 = May 1964 Main bearings - 4 are 3 - 4, 2 are 4 - 64, 4 are 5 - 64 My engines build date is Jan 1965. Makes me think that Ford stock piled these bearings early for the Rootes build. Has anyone rebuild a MK II original 289 and still has the original Ford bearings laying about? It would be interesting to know what those date codes are on an original 289. Ron Fraser ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C9A01D.9B021330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
   =20 Just for fun I pulled out all the old bearings to see all the date = codes.=20
 
Rod = bearings - 10=20 are 7 4 =3D July 1964, 5 are10 3 =3D Oct 1963, 1 is 5 4 =3D May=20 1964
 
Main = bearings - 4=20 are 3 - 4, 2 are 4 - 64, 4 are 5 - 64
 
My = engines build=20 date is Jan 1965.
 
 
Makes = me think that=20 Ford stock piled these bearings early for the Rootes=20 build.
 
Has = anyone rebuild a=20 MK II original 289 and still has the original Ford bearings laying=20 about?
 
It = would be=20 interesting to know what those date codes are on an original=20 289.
 
Ron=20 Fraser
------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C9A01D.9B021330-- --===============0559299129== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============0559299129==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 8 16:44:47 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 15:45:55 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Woodley Park Brit Car Day Tigers, Well, I went to British Car Day at Woodley Park in Encino, CA. Contrary to gloom sayers, it was a beautiful day, with lots of sunshine and British Cars. Jay Leno was there, as well as my son and grandsons. A lot of cars I once owned over the years, and a good representation of Tigers. (Sound On!") http://www.tigersunited.com/articles/sl-mc/SteveLaifman.asp Funny, didn't see any Alpines. Met a lot of Tiger Owners we all know of, including Buck Tripple, CAT President. and frequent list contributer . Steve Alcala was there - see Darrell Mountjoy's article "A Long Way Home" http://www.tigersunited.com/articles/dm-lister/MountjoyLemans.asp I am sure that many of the "Listers" I met will all post of their experiences. Got some more pictures of me with the many of the cars I once owned. The grandkids loved the MG-TC's because their dad is building them an aluminum motorized version. The race-minded one wants a Ginetta (didn't see one) but he also liked the Lotus. It's all my fault for raising my son around sports cars. Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 8 17:04:52 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: Steve Laifman , Tiger's Den Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Woodley Park Brit Car Day I was there too, only for a bit. Chatted with a few of the members, but had= the 'Daddy I'm thirsty' and 'Daddy I'm Hot' so didn't get to enjoy as much= time. And Steve was right it was a very nice day at in the park. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 3:45:55 PM Subject: [Tigers] Woodley Park Brit Car Day Tigers, Well, I went to British Car Day at Woodley Park in Encino, CA.=A0 Contrary = to gloom sayers, it was a beautiful day, with lots of sunshine and British = Cars.=A0 Jay Leno was there, as well as my son and grandsons. A lot of cars I once owned over the years, and a good representation of Tig= ers.=A0 (Sound On!") =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 http://www.tigersunited.com/article= s/sl-mc/SteveLaifman.asp Funny, didn't see any Alpines. Met a lot of Tiger Owners we all know of, including Buck Tripple, CAT Presi= dent. and frequent list contributer . Steve Alcala was there - see Darrell Mountjoy's article "A Long Way Home" =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 http://www.tigersunited.com/articles/dm-lister/= MountjoyLemans.asp I am sure that many of the "Listers" I met will all post of their experienc= es. Got some more pictures of me with the many of the cars I once owned. The grandkids loved the MG-TC's because their dad is building them an alumi= num motorized version.=A0 The race-minded one wants a Ginetta (didn't see o= ne) but he also liked the Lotus.=A0 It's all my fault for raising my son ar= ound sports cars. Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net=A0 http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 8 17:33:00 2009 From: Bob Josten To: Steve Laifman Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:34:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Woodley Park Brit Car Day Steve, I was there earlier in the day and as you said if you like british cars this was about as good as it gets. I drove my alpine but parked in the lot since I had to leave early. It felt like a very well run event. regards Bob On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Steve Laifman wrote: > Tigers, > > Well, I went to British Car Day at Woodley Park in Encino, CA. =A0Contrar= y to > gloom sayers, it was a beautiful day, with lots of sunshine and British > Cars. =A0Jay Leno was there, as well as my son and grandsons. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 8 23:34:43 2009 From: "Buck Trippel" To: Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:35:26 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Sad News This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0862705266== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C9A03E.2D8A1390" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C9A03E.2D8A1390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's never an easy way to share sad news, so I'll just blurt it out. = One of the pillars of the Tiger marque, John Dandy, passed away this = week. He and Angela were visiting southern California when his death occurred. John was a warm, wonderful person who will be missed. Our thoughts and prayers are with both John and Angela. Buck Trippel=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C9A03E.2D8A1390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There's never an easy way = to share sad=20 news, so I'll just blurt it out. One of the pillars of the = Tiger marque,=20 John Dandy, passed away this week.
 
He and Angela were visiting southern = California=20 when his death occurred.
 
John was a warm, wonderful person who = will=20 be missed.
 
Our thoughts and prayers are with = both John=20 and Angela.
 
Buck Trippel 
 
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C9A03E.2D8A1390-- --===============0862705266== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============0862705266==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 9 06:36:40 2009 From: Paul R Sheahan To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 05:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Group Employee --===============0962834109== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1633060037-1236602256=:41962" --0-1633060037-1236602256=:41962 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0=A0=A0 This past weekend I took one of my Tigers to=A0antique car show i= n Naples, Florida.=A0=A0An elderly=A0English gentleman walked up to me and = introduced himself as Roy Axe.=A0 He=A0told me he was the=A0Design Director= at=A0The Rootes Group during the time the Tiger was conceived.=A0 In doing= some research I found out that he was=A0at Rootes from 1959 to 1982 and wa= s the chief stylist and the finally the design director.=A0=A0 He=A0said he= was basically a=A0"runner" when he started but did participate with two ot= her gentleman in design or our cars.=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0 It was=A0great to have an opportunity to talk with Mr. Axe and= have him remark how looking at the Tiger brought back some fine memories.= =A0=A0 You never know who may show up at one of these events. =A0 Paul Paul R Sheahan =A0 --0-1633060037-1236602256=:41962 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
    This past weekend I took one of my Tigers to antique car show in Naples, Florida.  An elderly English gentleman walked up to me and introduced himself as Roy Axe.  He told me he was the Design Director at The Rootes Group during the time the Tiger was conceived.  In doing some research I found out that he was at Rootes from 1959 to 1982 and was the chief stylist and the finally the design director.   He said he was basically a "runner" when he started but did participate with two other gentleman in design or our cars.  
     It was great to have an opportunity to talk with Mr. Axe and have him remark how looking at the Tiger brought back some fine memories.   You never know who may show up at one of these events.
 
Paul
Paul R Sheahan
 
--0-1633060037-1236602256=:41962-- --===============0962834109== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============0962834109==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 9 07:50:46 2009 From: To: "tigers@autox.team.net" , sunbeamtiger@prodigy.net Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 9:51:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rootes Group Employee VGhhdCdzIHByZXR0eSBjb29sLCBQYXVsLiAgV2hhdCBhIG5pY2Ugc3VycHJpc2UgdGhhdCBtdXN0 IGhhdmUgYmVlbiEgIAoKU29tZXRoaW5nIHNpbWlsYXIgdG8gdGhhdCBoYXBwZW5lZCB0byBtZSBz ZXZlcmFsIHllYXJzIGJhY2sgd2hlbiBJIGhhZCBteSBUaWdlciBhdCBhIGxvY2FsIGNhciBzaG93 LiAgSSB3YXMgdmlzaXRpbmcgd2l0aCBzb21lIGZvbGtzIHdoZW4gSSBub3RpY2VkIGFuIG9sZGVy IGdlbnRsZW1hbiBzdGFuZGluZyBieSBteSBjYXIuICBXaGVuIEkgd2VudCBvdmVyIHRvIHNwZWFr IHdpdGggaGltLCBoZSBpbnRyb2R1Y2VkIGhpbXNlbGYgYXMgSC4gSi4gTWV5ZXIsIGZvcm1lciBv d25lciBvZiBTcG9ydHMgQ2FyIEZvcnVtIGluIENvbHVtYnVzLCBPSC4gIFlvdSBtYXkgcmVtZW1i ZXIgdGhhdCB0aGV5IGhhZCBib3RoIGEgbmF0aW9uYWwgY2hhbXBpb25zaGlwIFRpZ2VyIGFuZCBh biBBbHBpbmUgYmFjayBpbiB0aGUgZGF5LiAgSSB3YXMgYWJzb2x1dGVseSBmbG9vcmVkIHRoYXQg c29tZW9uZSB3aXRoIHRoYXQgbXVjaCBSb290ZXMgaGlzdG9yeSB3b3VsZCBiZSBhdCBhIGxvY2Fs IGNhciBzaG93IGluIEVkbW9uZCwgT0shISEhICBNci4gTWV5ZXIgZW5kZWQgdXAgY29taW5nIG92 ZXIgdG8gbXkgaG91c2UgYXQgb25lIHBvaW50IHdpdGggYWxsIG9mIGhpcyBwaG90b3MgZnJvbSB3 aGVuIGhlIG93bmVkIHRoZSBkZWFsZXJzaGlwLiAgSXQgd2FzIHF1aXRlIGEgdHJlYXQhISEKCllv dSdyZSByaWdodCwgUGF1bC4uLnlvdSBuZXZlciBrbm93IHdobyB3aWxsIHNob3cgdXAgYXQgdGhl c2UgZXZlbnRzIQoKQW5keSBXYWxrZXIKRWRtb25kLCBPSwpCMzgyMDAxNjAwTFJYRkUKQjkwMDY4 NTdMUlgKCgoKLS0tLSBQYXVsIFIgU2hlYWhhbiA8c3VuYmVhbXRpZ2VyQHByb2RpZ3kubmV0PiB3 cm90ZTogCj4gCj4gCj4gCj4gwqDCoMKgIFRoaXMgcGFzdCB3ZWVrZW5kIEkgdG9vayBvbmUgb2Yg bXkgVGlnZXJzIHRvwqBhbnRpcXVlIGNhciBzaG93IGluIE5hcGxlcywgRmxvcmlkYS7CoMKgQW4g ZWxkZXJsecKgRW5nbGlzaCBnZW50bGVtYW4gd2Fsa2VkIHVwIHRvIG1lIGFuZCBpbnRyb2R1Y2Vk IGhpbXNlbGYgYXMgUm95IEF4ZS7CoCBIZcKgdG9sZCBtZSBoZSB3YXMgdGhlwqBEZXNpZ24gRGly ZWN0b3IgYXTCoFRoZSBSb290ZXMgR3JvdXAgZHVyaW5nIHRoZSB0aW1lIHRoZSBUaWdlciB3YXMg Y29uY2VpdmVkLsKgIEluIGRvaW5nIHNvbWUgcmVzZWFyY2ggSSBmb3VuZCBvdXQgdGhhdCBoZSB3 YXPCoGF0IFJvb3RlcyBmcm9tIDE5NTkgdG8gMTk4MiBhbmQgd2FzIHRoZSBjaGllZiBzdHlsaXN0 IGFuZCB0aGUgZmluYWxseSB0aGUgZGVzaWduIGRpcmVjdG9yLsKgwqAgSGXCoHNhaWQgaGUgd2Fz IGJhc2ljYWxseSBhwqAicnVubmVyIiB3aGVuIGhlIHN0YXJ0ZWQgYnV0IGRpZCBwYXJ0aWNpcGF0 ZSB3aXRoIHR3byBvdGhlciBnZW50bGVtYW4gaW4gZGVzaWduIG9yIG91ciBjYXJzLsKgwqAKPiDC oMKgwqDCoCBJdCB3YXPCoGdyZWF0IHRvIGhhdmUgYW4gb3Bwb3J0dW5pdHkgdG8gdGFsayB3aXRo IE1yLiBBeGUgYW5kIGhhdmUgaGltIHJlbWFyayBob3cgbG9va2luZyBhdCB0aGUgVGlnZXIgYnJv dWdodCBiYWNrIHNvbWUgZmluZSBtZW1vcmllcy7CoMKgIFlvdSBuZXZlciBrbm93IHdobyBtYXkg c2hvdyB1cCBhdCBvbmUgb2YgdGhlc2UgZXZlbnRzLgo+IMKgCj4gUGF1bAo+IFBhdWwgUiBTaGVh aGFuCj4gwqAKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f ClN1cHBvcnQgVGVhbS5OZXQgIGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudGVhbS5uZXQvZG9uYXRlLmh0bWwKClRpZ2Vy c0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldApodHRwOi8vYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby90 aWdlcnMKCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cudGVhbS5uZXQvYXJjaGl2ZQ== From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 9 09:52:20 2009 From: "Robin Young" To: , Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:53:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rootes Group Employee This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0819648246== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0294_01C9A0AD.A092C750" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0294_01C9A0AD.A092C750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul, it sounds like you and Roy had a nice visit. Nick and I ran into him in at the St. Armands show in November. He is certainly an interesting gentleman to talk to. Nick put him in touch with Norm to round out some history on our cars. It is great to have him in Florida and still interested in his work from so long ago. Robin Young This past weekend I took one of my Tigers to antique car show in Naples, Florida. An elderly English gentleman walked up to me and introduced himself as Roy Axe. He told me he was the Design Director at The Rootes Group during the time the Tiger was conceived. In doing some research I found out that he was at Rootes from 1959 to 1982 and was the chief stylist and the finally the design director. He said he was basically a "runner" when he started but did participate with two other gentleman in design or our cars. It was great to have an opportunity to talk with Mr. Axe and have him remark how looking at the Tiger brought back some fine memories. You never know who may show up at one of these events. Paul Paul R Sheahan ------=_NextPart_000_0294_01C9A0AD.A092C750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Paul,   it sounds like you and Roy = had a nice=20 visit. Nick and I ran into him in at the St. Armands show in November. = He is=20 certainly an interesting gentleman to talk to. Nick put him in touch = with Norm=20 to round out some history on our cars.  It is great to have = him in=20 Florida and still interested in his work from so long ago. Robin=20 Young


 
    This past weekend I took one of my Tigers=20 to antique car show in Naples, Florida.  An=20 elderly English gentleman walked up to me and introduced = himself as=20 Roy Axe.  He told me he was the Design Director = at The=20 Rootes Group during the time the Tiger was conceived.  In = doing some=20 research I found out that he was at Rootes from 1959 to 1982 = and was=20 the chief stylist and the finally the design director.   = He said he was basically a "runner" when he started but = did=20 participate with two other gentleman in design or our=20 cars.  
     It was great to have an = opportunity to=20 talk with Mr. Axe and have him remark how looking at the Tiger = brought=20 back some fine memories.   You never know who may show = up at one=20 of these events.
 
Paul
Paul R Sheahan
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Believe it or not, Peter Horbury, who's now the executive design director at Ford (and formerly of Volvo during the visual transistion they have made)  was once a Rootes designer.    I talked with Peter regarding Rootes and he made an interesting case where Rootes could have been the "BMW" of today.   Of couse this is a stretch as he stated but he pointed out some of the strengths Rootes' Sedans had.   

 

I bet Roy would be a facinating person to hear talk.

 

Steve Silverstein

 

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Hi Steve,

I'd like to hear what he had to say about Rootes development and
what he thought their strengths were.

thanks,

Paul


> Believe it or not, Peter Horbury, who's now the executive design
> director at Ford (and formerly of Volvo during the visual
> transistion they have made)? was once a Rootes designer.??? I talked
> with Peter regarding Rootes and he made an interesting case where
> Rootes could have been the "BMW" of today.?? Of couse this is a
> stretch as he stated?but he pointed out some of the strengths
> Rootes' Sedans had.? ?
>
>
>
> I bet Roy would be a facinating person to hear talk.
>
>
>
> Steve Silverstein
--=_alternative 0064F0C585257574_=-- --===============0075854997== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============0075854997==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 9 13:39:23 2009 From: Jeffrey Nichols To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:40:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Clearing Up Rumors --===============0834892653== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-558465644-1236627615=:29238" --0-558465644-1236627615=:29238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "An elderly English gentleman walked up to me and introduced himself as Roy Axe.=A0 He told me he was the Design Director at The Rootes Group during the time the Tiger was conceived." =A0 Wasn't=A0that the guy quoted in Bill Carroll's book who said the Tiger fire= wall was beaten with a large sledge hammer to make the engine fit.=A0 Maybe= if you see him again you can ask him if that is really true.=A0=A0 I alway= s thought someone looked at the assembly line and saw=A0a Jensen worker bea= ting on the frame and it looked like they were pounding on the firewall to = make room for the Ford=A0engine.=A0=A0So they would assume=A0Jensen had to = massage the firewall via hammer and that was reported as how all the cars w= ere made. =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Jeff= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Jeff=A0 --0-558465644-1236627615=:29238 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
"An elderly English gentleman walked up to me and introduced
himself as Roy Axe.  He told me he was the Design Director at The Rootes
Group during the time the Tiger was conceived."
 
Wasn't that the guy quoted in Bill Carroll's book who said the Tiger firewall was beaten with a large sledge hammer to make the engine fit.  Maybe if you see him again you can ask him if that is really true.   I always thought someone looked at the assembly line and saw a Jensen worker beating on the frame and it looked like they were pounding on the firewall to make room for the Ford engine.  So they would assume Jensen had to massage the firewall via hammer and that was reported as how all the cars were made.
 
 
                                                 Jeff 
 
 
                                             Jeff 
--0-558465644-1236627615=:29238-- --===============0834892653== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============0834892653==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 9 15:31:05 2009 From: "Jerry and Marlene VanderPool" To: Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:31:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Roy Axe and Peter Horbury, SUNI V This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1115471420== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0095_01C9A0C3.C4C2FDF0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C9A0C3.C4C2FDF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello fellow Sunbeamers; Does anyone have an email address or mailing = address for either Roy Axe or Peter Horbury that I can pass on to Max, = who is putting on SUNI V. Jerry and Marlene, Registration folks for = SUNI V. ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C9A0C3.C4C2FDF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello fellow Sunbeamers;  Does = anyone have an=20 email address or mailing address for either Roy Axe or Peter Horbury = that I can=20 pass on to Max, who is putting on SUNI V.  Jerry and Marlene, = Registration=20 folks for SUNI V.
------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C9A0C3.C4C2FDF0-- --===============1115471420== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============1115471420==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 9 15:59:56 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:00:58 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] SUNI V This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============0216806856== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C9A0D8.9E57E3F0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C9A0D8.9E57E3F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of SUNI V. I just got my registration confirmation.I am #6 (66 Tiger). Not sure how to state that with the 666 deal. Duke B382002037 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C9A0D8.9E57E3F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Speaking of SUNI V.

 

I just got my registration confirmation…I am #6 (66 Tiger).  Not sure how to state that with the 666 = deal.

 

Duke

B382002037

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Check the archives….nada.

 

After some recent work in the fuel pump area, the DZUS = fastener has disappeared into a black hole.  It really pisses me off because = it looked to be the original fastener.

 

Where can I get a replacement?

 

TIA!

 

Duke – the guy with his lid flapping open at = speed.

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C9A0D9.AB0552D0-- --===============0282885635== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============0282885635==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 9 18:37:37 2009 From: vegaslegal@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:37:52 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Top Rib --===============1066913685== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CB6F2F94782628_1248_26B3_webmail-db17.sysops.aol.com" ----------MB_8CB6F2F94782628_1248_26B3_webmail-db17.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Interior's done, paint's done, chrome's done, in that order.? Still working backwards and moving on to the convertible top, and I have more of a general question rather than a Tiger specific question.? PO dropped something on the center cross-rib on top frame denting it down an inch or so with no crimp.? It's dead center and about 6" wide.? Any suggestions on the best way to straighten this out without butchering it.? Thanks for any help. Bob 382000975 ----------MB_8CB6F2F94782628_1248_26B3_webmail-db17.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Interior's done, paint's done, chrome's done, in that order.  Still working backwards and moving on to the convertible top, and I have more of a general question rather than a Tiger specific question.  PO dropped something on the center cross-rib on top frame denting it down an inch or so with no crimp.  It's dead center and about 6" wide.  Any suggestions on the best way to straighten this out without butchering it.  Thanks for any help.

Bob
382000975 ----------MB_8CB6F2F94782628_1248_26B3_webmail-db17.sysops.aol.com-- --===============1066913685== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============1066913685==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 9 20:26:24 2009 From: "Joe Brown" To: , Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:27:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rootes Group Employee Hmm, my Tiger came from Cliff Meyer Imports in Kenosha Wisconsin. Any relation to H. J. Meyer? Maybe not. Are there any interesting stories about Cliff Meyer Imports? This got me thinking. How did the dealers get the cars? Did they come by boat to New York and were then trucked to the dealerships? Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of awtiger@cox.net Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:52 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net; sunbeamtiger@prodigy.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rootes Group Employee That's pretty cool, Paul. What a nice surprise that must have been! = Something similar to that happened to me several years back when I had my Tiger at a local car show. I was visiting with some folks when I noticed an older gentleman standing by my car. When I went over to speak with him, he introduced himself as H. J. Meyer, former owner of Sports Car Forum in Columbus, OH. You may remember that they had both a national championship Tiger and an Alpine back in the day. I was absolutely floored that someone with that much Rootes history would be at a local car show in Edmond, OK!!!! Mr. Meyer ended up coming over to my house at one point with all of his photos from when he owned the dealership. It was quite a treat!!! You're right, Paul...you never know who will show up at these events! Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX ---- Paul R Sheahan wrote: = > = > = > = > =A0=A0=A0 This past weekend I took one of my Tigers to=A0antique car show= in Naples, Florida.=A0=A0An elderly=A0English gentleman walked up to me and introduced himself as Roy Axe.=A0 He=A0told me he was the=A0Design Director= at=A0The Rootes Group during the time the Tiger was conceived.=A0 In doing some research I found out that he was=A0at Rootes from 1959 to 1982 and was the chief stylist and the finally the design director.=A0=A0 He=A0said he was basically a=A0"runner" when he started but did participate with two other gentleman in design or our cars.=A0=A0 > =A0=A0=A0=A0 It was=A0great to have an opportunity to talk with Mr. Axe a= nd have him remark how looking at the Tiger brought back some fine memories.=A0=A0 You = never know who may show up at one of these events. > =A0 > Paul > Paul R Sheahan > =A0 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 9 20:36:02 2009 From: Marc James Small To: "Joe Brown" ,, Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:36:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rootes Group Employee At 10:27 PM 3/9/2009, Joe Brown wrote: >Hmm, my Tiger came from Cliff Meyer Imports in Kenosha Wisconsin. Any >relation to H. J. Meyer? Maybe not. Are there any interesting stories >about Cliff Meyer Imports? > >This got me thinking. How did the dealers get the cars? Did they come by >boat to New York and were then trucked to the dealerships? > The US Agency for Rootes was in Connecticut, I = believe. The cars came by canoe to New York and = then by truck to Connecticut for further shipment = to the dealers. When I was in grad school in the = early 1960's, I met some guys who had worked at = the Rootes agency, whose name I forget, though Curt Meinel would know. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b=E0s fir gun ghr=E0s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 9 20:46:36 2009 From: "Stu Brennan" To: "'Marc James Small'" , Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:47:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rootes Group Employee Isn't it in one of the books, BON probably, that there were a couple ports of entry for Sunbeams? I seem to remember Boston being one, and another one or two south somewhere. Stu -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Marc James Small Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:37 PM To: Joe Brown; awtiger@cox.net; tigers@autox.team.net; sunbeamtiger@prodigy.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rootes Group Employee At 10:27 PM 3/9/2009, Joe Brown wrote: >Hmm, my Tiger came from Cliff Meyer Imports in Kenosha Wisconsin. Any >relation to H. J. Meyer? Maybe not. Are there any interesting stories >about Cliff Meyer Imports? > >This got me thinking. How did the dealers get the cars? Did they come by >boat to New York and were then trucked to the dealerships? > The US Agency for Rootes was in Connecticut, I = believe. The cars came by canoe to New York and = then by truck to Connecticut for further shipment = to the dealers. When I was in grad school in the = early 1960's, I met some guys who had worked at = the Rootes agency, whose name I forget, though Curt Meinel would know. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b=E0s fir gun ghr=E0s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 9 20:52:34 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Stu Brennan Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:53:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rootes Group Employee Well, My car came from Rootes via POE, Los Angeles. This was the Western US distributor, and the originator of the LAT options. They were located on Olympic Blvd, near central (???) Los Angeles. I say "Central" as if the "downtown" area is in the center of the city, and the hub of all commerce. Not so, we are spread all over the largest (territorial) city in the US. It's known as a "bunch of suburbs in search of a Center", and that statement is true. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Stu Brennan wrote: > Isn't it in one of the books, BON probably, that there were a couple > ports of entry for Sunbeams? I seem to remember Boston being one, and > another one or two south somewhere. > > Stu > > > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 9 21:21:51 2009 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:22:25 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] How Did the Dealers Get the Cars? Hi All: Somewhere in the dark recesses of my mind I seem to remember that shipments from the Jensen factory in England came to Long Island City (on Long Island, just outside NYC) and to LA. Perhaps also to New Orleans, as well? In October of 1966, when I went to order my Tiger at Nu-Trend Motors in Mt. Kisco, NY (Westchester County, north of NYC), I wanted a Midnight Blue (code 58, IIRC) car and placed the order. A day or two later, the dealership called and said that if I wanted a Midnight Blue car, I would have to wait about six weeks, since they didn't have any in Long Island City. So, I could wait or I could have either BRG or white. I chose Forest Green, code 86, and the car arrived a couple of days later. I do remember getting together with several Tiger owners from the NYC/Long Island area occasionally in the early days and their mentioning the depot at LIC. When the cars arrived at the dealership, they were coated with a substance called cosmoline, which was sprayed on to protect the finish while making the ocean voyage. It was near impossible to get it all off, so traces remained for years after. When I finally had the Tiger repainted after all the years, I remember that there were two things that finally disappeared - the cosmoline and some of the leftover rice from our wedding that a couple of my "friends" had poured into the windscreen vents and any other accessible crevice. Perhaps some of the members from SoCal will remember the situation on the West Coast. Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 9 22:43:38 2009 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: "'Tod Brown'" , Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:44:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] How Did the Dealers Get the Cars? Folks, I know that there were no Tigers brought into New Orleans. Land around the port here is too scarce to use for even short-term car storage. Houston was the usual southern POE for imported cars at the time, but I don't know for sure if Rootes used a southern POE. My Tiger came from Love Motor Company in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, but I don't think I ever knew the POE. Love was primarily a used car operation with little or no inside showroom and no real shop to speak of. Mine was the first Tiger they got and I know of only one other new Tiger they sold. They may not have kept the Rootes franchise through the end of Tiger production. Incidentally, I would still like to know where that car is now. It was probably built in late 1964 with a serial number around B9470900 to B9471700. My brother traded it in to a Pontiac dealer in Los Angeles (maybe Hollywood?) in 1968 while on vacation. I don't have the serial number, but it was a paint code 53, Wedgewood Blue, car. It had a four barrel, probably Autolite, on a Ford manifold and weld-on Traction Masters. If any one has any information on a Tiger like that, I would appreciate hearing from you. A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tod Brown > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:22 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] How Did the Dealers Get the Cars? > > Hi All: > > Somewhere in the dark recesses of my mind I seem to remember > that shipments from the Jensen factory in England came to > Long Island City (on Long Island, just outside NYC) and to > LA. Perhaps also to New Orleans, as well? In October of > 1966, when I went to order my Tiger at Nu-Trend Motors in Mt. > Kisco, NY (Westchester County, north of NYC), I wanted a > Midnight Blue (code 58, IIRC) car and placed the order. A > day or two later, the dealership called and said that if I > wanted a Midnight Blue car, I would have to wait about six > weeks, since they didn't have any in Long Island City. So, I > could wait or I could have either BRG or white. I chose > Forest Green, code 86, and the car arrived a couple of days > later. I do remember getting together with several Tiger > owners from the NYC/Long Island area occasionally in the > early days and their mentioning the depot at LIC. When the > cars arrived at the dealership, they were coated with a > substance called cosmoline, which was sprayed on to protect > the finish while making the ocean voyage. It was near > impossible to get it all off, so traces remained for years > after. When I finally had the Tiger repainted after all the > years, I remember that there were two things that finally > disappeared - the cosmoline and some of the leftover rice > from our wedding that a couple of my "friends" had poured > into the windscreen vents and any other accessible crevice. > Perhaps some of the members from SoCal will remember the > situation on the West Coast. > > Tod > B382002384LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 10 00:54:28 2009 From: atwittsend@verizon.net To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:55:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] How Did the Dealers Get the Cars? --===============1990850155== Content-type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
>>>When I finally had the Tiger repainted after all the years, I remember
that there were (two) things that finally disappeared - the leftover rice
from our wedding.<<< Edited version

Those who have had rats rooming in their Tiger would have had that problem
taken care of long ago! ;-)

This is actually a very interesting subject. A bit of unspoken history.
Hopefully there is someone archiving these posts (sorry not me) relating to
former employees and dealers and can create a Readers Digest compilation of
the stories.
Tom --===============1990850155== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============1990850155==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 10 04:24:46 2009 From: Steven silverstein To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 06:25:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Rootes/BMW comparison in the 50's/60's Paul, Briefly, Horbury was pointing out that the sedans of Rootes had a sporting image developing. The Rapier was well known for doing well. The Humber was of good quality and comfort too and I believe did well in some rally events. Comparing that with the BMW sedans of the same period Rootes and BMW as product line offerings weren't too dissimilar. In the 70's these types of cars flourished, small sporting sedans, and BMW eventually developed into the company that it is today. Now for my thoughts... Could have Rootes been the next BMW? Possibly, but I don't think the Minx, Rapier, or the Humber were ever marketed strongly in the U.S.. The U.S. being the center of growth for the auto industry. By the 70's the interstates were changing consumer perceptions of what was adequate for engines. In the end, the 1725 engine really couldn't be compared to the BMW four cylinders nor Toyota's OHC fours for smoothness and power. At least that's my thought. Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 10 08:03:16 2009 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: todbrown@roadrunner.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:03:34 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] How Did the Dealers Get the Cars? --===============1134685128== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1236693814" -------------------------------1236693814 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember in about late 1967 going to Long Island City to pick up a new grill for my MKII. The parts guy said I could either wait three weeks or go get it myself. I don't remember the name of the location other than LIC. Fred Baum **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) -------------------------------1236693814 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I remember in about late 1967 going to Long Island City to pick up= a=20 new grill for my MKII. The parts guy said I could either wait three weeks or= go=20 get it myself. I don't remember the name of the location other than LIC.
 
Fred Baum

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-------------------------------1236693814-- --===============1134685128== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============1134685128==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 10 08:10:14 2009 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: milano164@comcast.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:10:53 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rootes/BMW comparison in the 50's/60's --===============2005866061== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1236694253" -------------------------------1236694253 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Graham Robson's book, "Rootes Maestros: in their own words" gives a lot of racing information and history of the Rootes Competition Department and all the different Rootes vehicles that competed between 1947 and the 1970s. Fred Baum **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) -------------------------------1236694253 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Graham Robson's book, "Rootes Maestros: in their own words" gives a lot= of=20 racing information and history of the Rootes Competition Department and all=20= the=20 different Rootes vehicles that competed between 1947 and the 1970s.
 
Fred Baum

A Good Credit Score is 700 or=20= Above. See yours in just 2 eas= y steps!
-------------------------------1236694253-- --===============2005866061== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============2005866061==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 10 09:28:14 2009 From: cmeinel464@aol.com To: FHSLOTH13@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:28:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] How Did the Dealers Get the Cars? --===============1719286859== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CB6FAC09BC6579_4A0_FC1_MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com" ----------MB_8CB6FAC09BC6579_4A0_FC1_MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Fred, It was Long Island City Imports. They were the East Coast distribution center for Sunbeams at the time. I bough many, many parts from them. I think the parts managers name was Frank. When they were going out of the Sunbeam parts I made a deal on a trunk full of parts. I was a 5-6 story building, showroom on the ground floor. They had a very small lot that had some new Alpines, Imps and others, so I think they must have had their full inventory at another location. Curt Classic Sunbeam Inc. -----Original Message----- From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: todbrown@roadrunner.com; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:03 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] How Did the Dealers Get the Cars? I remember in about late?1967 going to Long Island City to pick up a new grill for my MKII. The parts guy said I could either wait three weeks or go get it myself. I don't remember the name of the location other than LIC. ? Fred Baum A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive ----------MB_8CB6FAC09BC6579_4A0_FC1_MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Fred,
It was Long Island City Imports. They were the East Coast distribution center for Sunbeams at the time. I bough many, many parts from them. I think the parts managers name was Frank. When they were going out of the Sunbeam parts I made a deal on a trunk full of parts. I was a 5-6 story building, showroom on the ground floor. They had a very small lot that had some new Alpines, Imps and others, so I think they must have had their full inventory at another location.
Curt
Classic Sunbeam Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com
To: todbrown@roadrunner.com; tigers@autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:03 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] How Did the Dealers Get the Cars?

I remember in about late 1967 going to Long Island City to pick up a new grill for my MKII. The parts guy said I could either wait three weeks or go get it myself. I don't remember the name of the location other than LIC.
 
Fred Baum
----------MB_8CB6FAC09BC6579_4A0_FC1_MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com-- --===============1719286859== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============1719286859==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 10 10:04:15 2009 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: milano164@comcast.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:05:06 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rootes/BMW comparison in the 50's/60's --===============0402297158== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1236701106" -------------------------------1236701106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/10/2009 3:26:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, milano164@comcast.net writes: Could have Rootes been the next BMW? Given what was about to occur in the political and labor/industrial arenas in the UK, back then, I don't believe it ultimately would have mattered how good the product was...imho. Mike **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) -------------------------------1236701106 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/10/2009 3:26:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,=20 milano164@comcast.net writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Could=20 have Rootes been the next BMW?
Given what was about to occur in the political and labor/industrial are= nas=20 in the UK, back then, I don't believe it ultimately would have mattered how=20= good=20 the product was...imho.
 
Mike

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I think there may have been a Rootes warehouse or something in Elizabeth, NJ., too.

In some paperwork I found with one of the race cars it was noted.  I'll have to dig through my papers to see.

 

But on another note,  one of the Alpine race cars I had been tracking, the one which Creed Smith ran in early IMSA (yes, really, IMSA in an Alpine) was bought from a Rootes person in Bayonne, NJ - which is all relatively closely located to each other.     Unfortuantely, the car was destroyed  in the 90's but I still suspect this was the old factory car that Bob Grossman raced for a short while in 1963.  (ran at Lime Rock's little Le Mans in 1963 then Watkins Glen... H.J. Meyer bought it and sold it to Jim Latimer the Detroit area Rootes Dealer)

 

I wish we had the opportunity to talk with one of the corporate Rootes people.  But I suspect there were only a few that had an overall picture of activities in the Corporate office in NY/NJ.

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

------=_Part_109326_283455897.1236704118203-- --===============0711107975== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============0711107975==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 10 12:50:53 2009 From: jd.sencindiver@gmail.com To: drmayf , michael king , Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:51:46 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 427 Powered Sunbeam Tiger --===============1119796000== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163630f2bf327b530464c83ebd --00163630f2bf327b530464c83ebd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A recent Car and Driver had an article about a Superperformance GT40, powered by a 351 based 427. IIRC, it made about 550 hp. Keep on Tigering! Jim Sencindiver B382100451/TAC 448 http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp On Mar 8, 2009 2:07am, drmayf wrote: > Well, you can get a 351 based engine with 427 cubes now adays. Not much > butchery involved. By the way, what was this message all about anyway? Or > was it a PM that went astray, lol.. > mayf > > --00163630f2bf327b530464c83ebd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A recent Car and Driver had an article about a Superperformance GT40, power= ed by a 351 based 427. IIRC, it made about 550 hp. =20

Keep on Tigering!

Jim Sencindiver
B382100451/TAC 448
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> > --00163630f2bf327b530464c83ebd-- --===============1119796000== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============1119796000==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 10 17:11:41 2009 From: "Stu Brennan" To: Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:12:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] How Did the Dealers Get the Cars? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0878765674== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C9A1B4.3042F710" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C9A1B4.3042F710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In TBON there is a listing in MA for the "Boston Warehouse", Port Terminals Inc. 666 Summer St. This is located right at the docks at Boston Harbor. The code numbers on it don't seem to indicate it was a dealer. Does anyone know if any cars were landed here? Heading in to British Car Day in the Tiger a couple years back, I was waiting at a stoplight on the Jamaicaway (Boston folks will know) when a guy walking his dog suddenly informed me that his dealership used to sell Sunbeams, and he hadn't seen one for a long time. We chatted for just a moment, then the light changed and I had to go. Wish I could have talked to him longer. Stu ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C9A1B4.3042F710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
 
In TBON there is a = listing in MA=20 for the "Boston Warehouse", Port Terminals Inc. 666 Summer St.  = This is=20 located right at the docks at Boston Harbor.  The code numbers on = it=20 don't seem to indicate it was a dealer.  Does anyone know if = any=20 cars were landed here?
 
Heading in to British = Car Day in=20 the Tiger a couple years back, I was waiting at a stoplight on the = Jamaicaway=20 (Boston folks will know) when a guy walking his dog suddenly informed = me that=20 his dealership used to sell Sunbeams, and he hadn't seen one for a = long=20 time.  We chatted for just a moment, then the light changed and I = had to=20 go.   Wish I could have talked to him = longer.
 
Stu
 
 
= ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C9A1B4.3042F710-- --===============0878765674== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============0878765674==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 10 18:03:10 2009 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: CMeinel464@aol.com, FHSLOTH13@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:03:12 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] How Did the Dealers Get the Cars? --===============2140807344== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1236729792" -------------------------------1236729792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Uncle Wally, where are you when we need you? Uncle Wally would have the answers since he was in charge of all Chrysler dealers east of the Mississippi. I believe he said he had a POE in Newark NJ. Also one in Houston. One tidbit was the last boatload had 30 Tigers MK IIs and 62 Simcas. The Cleveland distributor had ordered the 16 Tigers and 32 Simcass.He swapped the Simcas for all of the Tigers. Thus the last of the MK IIs went to the Cleveland area. I spoke with an old Tiger nut, Richard Greisberg in NJ who said most of the racers didn't want the LAT options because some of them were not great quality. Instead they used off the shelf stuff. They raced on Long Island. He called the options LIT's for Long Island Tiger instead of LAT. My MK IA (B382002668) was built in mid-December 1966 and came over in the first quarter of 1967. Dave **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) -------------------------------1236729792 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Uncle Wally, where are you when we need you?
 
Uncle Wally would have the answers since he was in charge of all
Chrysler dealers east of the Mississippi.  I believe he said he=20 had
a POE in Newark NJ.  Also one in Houston.
 
One tidbit was the last boatload had 30 Tigers MK IIs  and 62=20 Simcas.
The Cleveland distributor had ordered the 16 Tigers and 32 Simcass.He=20
swapped the Simcas for all of the Tigers.  Thus the last of the MK= IIs=20 went to
the Cleveland area.
 
I spoke with an old Tiger nut, Richard Greisberg in NJ who said
most of the racers didn't want the LAT options because some of
them were not great quality.  Instead they used off the shelf=20 stuff.
They raced on Long Island.  He called the options LIT's for
Long Island Tiger  instead of LAT.
 
My MK IA (B382002668) was built in mid-December 1966 and
came over in the first quarter of 1967.
 
Dave
 -------------------------------1236729792-- --===============2140807344== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============2140807344==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 10 19:18:20 2009 From: motoys2001@comcast.net To: jd sencindiver Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:19:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] 427 Powered Sunbeam Tiger --===============1819056331== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_248914_1345384554.1236734351034" ------=_Part_248914_1345384554.1236734351034 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My 351W based 427 produces 630hp/580tq.=C2=A0Impressive little engine. It w= ill not go into the Tiger as this much power, if it could ever hook up, wou= ld be an act against all that is good and holy=C2=A0 ;)=20 Henry V ------=_Part_248914_1345384554.1236734351034 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

My 351W based 427 produces 630hp/580tq. Impressive little engine. It will not go into the Tiger as this much power, if it could ever hook up, would be an act against all that is good and holy  ;)

 

Henry V

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2009/3/11 <motoys2001@comcast.net>

My 351W based 427 produces 630hp/580tq.=A0Impressive little engine. It w= ill not go into the Tiger as this much power, if it could ever hook up, wou= ld be an act against all that is good and holy=A0 ;)

=A0

Henry V

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YE OF LITTLE FAITH!



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Regard= s

Michael King
--000e0cd32e3e9db05e0464cdb202-- --===============1630373524== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============1630373524==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 10 21:10:34 2009 From: "Russ and Tammy C." To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Jerry Rathburn Long time Tiger and British car enthusiast, Jerry Rathburn, has just come o= ut of the hospital with a bad case of pneumonia and may like to hear from f= riends around the country.=A0 Jerry has been very active in club activities= in the past and I believe has had 4 or 5 Tigers.=A0 He has been helping me= with my second one=A0and has been inspirational as well as great with the = technical aspects of re-doing a Tiger.=A0 = You can email me and I will see that he gets the messages if you do not alr= eady have his address or phone number as I don't feel I am at liberty to gi= ve that out without his permission. Thanks, Russ = _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 10 22:39:22 2009 From: drmayf To: michael king Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:40:11 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 427 Powered Sunbeam Tiger Exactly, lol. You can never have too much hp! And in fact when motoring you only need about 550 or so... so the excess is bragging rights! So put that puppy in the car then add a big old turbo as well, lol... mayf michael king wrote: > > > 2009/3/11 > > > My 351W based 427 produces 630hp/580tq. Impressive little engine. > It will not go into the Tiger as this much power, if it could ever > hook up, would be an act against all that is good and holy ;) > > > > Henry V > > > YE OF LITTLE FAITH! > > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 11 14:47:47 2009 From: "un-cole-a@juno.com" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:46:23 GMT Subject: [Tigers] E Bay Tiger --===============0040613620== Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J3d96.0435S.512cM" ----__JWM__J3d96.0435S.512cM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 = Any thoughts on e bay Tiger # 260374562784, = I may be wrong but I thought I saw this Tiger some time ago on E Bay an= d there was discussion that it was an Alger. ____________________________________________________________ Click to replace your roof - modern technology. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTJr9CX5hOjRr5mOgtuwK0V= YW02kfdbAcEHEBO7Es3w1TXkElKd9IE/ ----__JWM__J3d96.0435S.512cM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252

 

Any thoughts on e bay Tiger # 260374562784,

 I may be wrong but I thought I saw this Tiger some time ago on = E Bay and there was discussion that it was an Alger.



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----__JWM__J3d96.0435S.512cM-- --===============0040613620== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============0040613620==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 11 16:25:58 2009 From: michael king To: "un-cole-a@juno.com" Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:26:54 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] E Bay Tiger --===============0414223010== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd243ba6465be0464df5d65 --000e0cd243ba6465be0464df5d65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There was alger discussions.. but also some people that said they had known the car/owner and that it was not. This same dealer had a black "MKII" that was a known alger.. perhaps you are thinking of that car? Either way.. they have been trying to sell the car for 1.5 years.. no takers -- Regards Michael King --000e0cd243ba6465be0464df5d65 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There was alger discussions.. but also some people that said they had known= the car/owner and that it was not. This same dealer had a black "MKII= " that was a known alger.. perhaps you are thinking of that car? Eithe= r way.. they have been trying to sell the car for 1.5 years.. no takers


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Michael King
--000e0cd243ba6465be0464df5d65-- --===============0414223010== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============0414223010==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 11 16:52:56 2009 From: "Buck Trippel" To: , , , Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:53:54 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] This one may be a goner! Mike, It's a bit worse than the listing shows! I just got home from a drive up to Buttonwillow to look at that Tiger. While I was there, an Alpine owner named Ron from Bakersfield also stopped in to eyeball the action. I'd talked to the owner last week and he told me the hit he took was hard enough to convince him that any future races will never again be in a convertible. The front suspension/crossmember is so mangled that I could not find a single useable piece, including spindles and control arms. The passenger side firewall is crushed so badly that its height is about 8 inches different than the driver's side. The exhaust pass through heights seem to be about 3-1/2" different. Both doors are shot. The passenger side "A" post is a mess. I don't think there's anything forward of the firewall that survived the crash in useable condition. And I'm not sure how useable the firewall is. Also, It'll need a right side quarter panel. There were a bunch of boxes piled inside the car so it was hard to inspect the upholstery much less inspect under the dash. The steering column might be OK. No one knows the condition (bent? or broken?) of the rear end. I think whoever titled this thread, "This one may be a goner!" ...was quite the optimist. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] This one may be a goner! >I don't know, but there seems to be a bunch of really good parts on that >car > and it is, possibly, just an Alpine front clip away from being a Tiger > driver...glad the driver was OK...built "Sunbeam Tough"... > > Mike > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 11 20:18:57 2009 From: "Russ and Tammy C." To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] grill Does anyone know if removing the grill on the tiger and the centerpiece wou= ld help with the cooling because of less "burble" (is that a word?)=A0to th= e radiator?=A0 I do not think it was mentiioned in "cooling the tiger" pape= rs.=A0 Thanks, Russ=A0 = _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 11 20:36:27 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: "Russ and Tammy C." , Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:36:47 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] grill Russ, The grill and the center piece are very minor players, and that is not a cure, but a visible mod. Read the article "Cool It, Buddy!": http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp All heat problems cured, and not externally visible. It WORKS! Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Russ and Tammy C. wrote: > Does anyone know if removing the grill on the tiger and the centerpiece would help with the cooling because of less "burble" (is that a word?) to the radiator? I do not think it was mentiioned in "cooling the tiger" papers. > > Thanks, Russ > > > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 11 20:59:51 2009 From: "un-cole-a@juno.com" To: michael.s.king@gmail.com Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:59:12 GMT Subject: Re: [Tigers] E Bay Tiger --===============1745776245== Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J1896.3bf1S.1128M" ----__JWM__J1896.3bf1S.1128M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Take a good look at the ID tag and the JAL tag. Tried to find info in t= he BON, but I had a hard time getting all the numbers to line up. Is th= e ID B947013? Is the paint code 9? What color is a 9? There's no 9 on= the list of paint colors. It may just be me, but something just doesn'= t look right. ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmQBKHrVnnCdQTRRP7sP= v3t0gNpddt2z5CeJ9du23QEksSKSxvK/ ----__JWM__J1896.3bf1S.1128M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Take a good look at the ID tag and the JAL tag.  Tried t= o find info in the BON, but I had a hard time getting all the numbers to= line up.  Is the ID B947013?  Is the paint code 9?  What= color is a 9?  There's no 9 on the list of paint colors.  It = may just be me, but something just doesn't look right.

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----__JWM__J1896.3bf1S.1128M-- --===============1745776245== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============1745776245==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 11 21:18:05 2009 From: "Scattt" To: > Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:19:03 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] turn signals This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1749198072== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0087_01C9A29F.C4390220" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C9A29F.C4390220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have had an interesting problem crop up. After installing a new wiring = harness the green signal indicator will only blink once although the = signals are all blinking while activated. I have tried two new blinker = modules and added additional grounds to the front indicator lights. I = have checked the wiring and the blinker jack appears to be wired = correctly. Any thoughts?=20 Nick ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C9A29F.C4390220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have had an interesting problem crop = up. After=20 installing a new wiring harness the green signal indicator will only = blink once=20 although the signals are all blinking while activated. I have tried two = new=20 blinker modules and added additional grounds to the front indicator = lights. I=20 have checked the wiring and the blinker jack appears to be wired=20 correctly.
Any thoughts?
Nick
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Lately I have stopped at a couple of Chevron = stations in SoCal=20 with a new kind of vapor recovery gas nozzle. The bellows and spout are = quite=20 short. Attempting to gas up the Tiger through the standard flip-lid gas = filler=20 is nearly impossible. Gas spills out no matter how hard you try to seal = the=20 bellows, even with considerable pressure against the filler neck.  = Or it=20 keeps shutting off. Fortunately there are other brand stations with the = more=20 typical style of nozzle, but one wonders if this is now a new = required type=20 being phased in. Anybody else run into this = problem?
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I thought it was ju= st me!  I haven't been able to get gas in my Tiger for years
withou= t getting gas all over..   Well, I don't drive it much so years i= s not much
gas but its one reason I don't drive it much.  I didn't = realize there were different
nozzels and I always get gas at the same pl= ace..
Now, why don't these "new" ones work?  Why do they spray gas = when they
don't seal?  What a great polution maker!!

Gary----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Michels =



Lately I have = stopped at a couple of Chevron stations in SoCal
with a new kind of vap= or recovery gas nozzle. The bellows and spout are quite
short. Attempti= ng to gas up the Tiger through the standard flip-lid gas filler
is near= ly impossible. Gas spills out no matter how hard you try to seal the
be= llows, even with considerable pressure against the filler neck.  Or it=
keeps shutting off. Fortunately there are other brand stations with th= e more
typical style of nozzle, but one wonders if this is now a n= ew required type
being phased in. Anybody else run into this problem?


<= /html> ------=_Part_146359_1436004740.1236836739034-- --===============1542265242== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============1542265242==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 12 00:31:02 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Mike Michels , garywinblad@comcast.net Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] vapor recovery gas nozzles Send email to the company and BITCH. Tell them they have lost your business and all of your friends. I wont buy from them- eventho only a few pumps have that junk in the midwest BUT it is spreading from St.Louis out. Point out its not just your collector car their gas is also ruining your paint- so We are buying from better business's who have a syestem that works as opposed to the junk they have. They will say it is the state mandating they use that equipment but maybe a copy of the email to your state reps will help. Its BS you have to carry a can and funnel in order to buy gas for a Beam.I doubt the fumes they recover come close when compared to the fuel on the car and the pavement etc etc. I can only think you need to complain LOUDLY and not purchase fuel from said companies. OR, start carrying a clear syphon hose and a large can and IF your hardtop is on, something to protect it so you can set the can on top of the car so it is easier to steal gas from yourself after filling the can. If the top is down then you need a funnel w/ a bendable filler tube so U can pour gas on your feet while trying to hit center of the funnel-- which will also fill up faster than it drains and runneth over your car as well. Its nice and warm while Im here in Lauderdale but I know why you guys stay in Ca- dam the problems that living there creates.I called IL.tonight and the ground is frozen- a good chance of flooding behind the weather mans forecast. You left coast gents have gas pump problems but when was the last time the water froze at your home? Or the paper boy couldnt delliver becuse the roads had ice covering them. I would prefer to stay in Fla. BUT man the groceries are so extremely expensive and Im sunburn too. I did get to bass fish today- that why Im sunburn but then I had to fillet the dam fish we caught. I was hoping for a nice enough trip to feed the nighbors too BUT I doubt they do that sort of thing here in the city. Cheers to all. TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 12 05:34:30 2009 From: "Andy Walker" To: , Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:35:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] E Bay Tiger This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1182079482== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01C9A2DC.B1DF3530" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C9A2DC.B1DF3530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think you'll find that the serial number is B9470173. If you look at = the next pic in the series, the JAL # is 550175, which would strongly = support the serial number suggestion I'm making. Also, I'd be willing = to bet that the color code is 39, Carnival Red. There is some red paint = showing on the driver's side inner fender in the under-hood shot. There = also appears to be the suggestion of some red paint in the trunk area. = I think I also see some red paint inside the right front wheel well in = one of the shots. =20 If if is a Tiger, it's most certainly an early example, still having the = black Alpine dash. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C9A2DC.B1DF3530 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think you'll find that the serial = number is=20 B9470173.  If you look at the next pic in the series, the JAL # is = 550175,=20 which would strongly support the serial number suggestion I'm = making. =20 Also, I'd be willing to bet that the color code is 39, Carnival = Red.  There=20 is some red paint showing on the driver's side inner fender in the = under-hood=20 shot.  There also appears to be the suggestion of some red paint in = the=20 trunk area.  I think I also see some red paint inside the right = front wheel=20 well in one of the shots. 
 
If if is a Tiger, it's most certainly = an early=20 example, still having the black Alpine dash.
 
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
B9006857LRX
  ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C9A2DC.B1DF3530-- --===============1182079482== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============1182079482==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 12 06:31:40 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:23:09 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Side window replacement - not hard top! This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============0071506384== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C9A2E3.65639230" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C9A2E3.65639230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, I need to replace both side windows due to scratches. Will be using all of the stuff to include glass from VB purchased during their fall sale. I am looking for any advice and or tips on this procedure. I plan on taking the current glass to an auto glass shop to have the new glass installed on the lower frames. Duke B382002037 ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C9A2E3.65639230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello = all,

 

I = need to replace both side windows due to scratches.  Will be using all of = the stuff to include glass from VB purchased during their fall = sale.

 

I = am looking for any advice and or tips on this procedure.  I plan on taking the current glass to an auto glass shop to have the new glass installed on = the lower frames.

 

Duke

B382002037

 

------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C9A2E3.65639230-- --===============0071506384== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============0071506384==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 12 07:17:48 2009 From: Howard gentry To: tiger list Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] vapor recovery gas nozzles --===============1578845033== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-999316619-1236863551=:23881" --0-999316619-1236863551=:23881 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable greetings, =A0=A0=A0=A0 Those bellows vapour catchers are not prevelant all over the c= ountry..I haven't seen very many of them east of Cal.=A0 I drive to Denver = a lot, from the east coast region....My trips seldom find any bellows pumps= anywhere on the route..If one is encountered, they are very short and quit= e soft..no problems. Howard The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Mike Michels wrote: From: Mike Michels Subject: [Tigers] vapor recovery gas nozzles To: "Tiger Email List" Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 12:02 AM Lately I have stopped at a couple of Chevron stations in SoCal with a new k= ind of vapor recovery gas nozzle. The bellows and spout are quite short. At= tempting to gas up the Tiger through the standard flip-lid gas filler is ne= arly impossible. Gas spills out no matter how hard you try to seal the bell= ows, even with considerable pressure against the filler neck.=A0 Or it keep= s shutting off. Fortunately there are other brand stations with the more ty= pical=A0style of nozzle, but one wonders if this is now a new required type= being phased in. Anybody else run into this problem? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net=A0 http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive=0A=0A=0A --0-999316619-1236863551=:23881 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=0A=0A --0-999316619-1236863551=:23881-- --===============1578845033== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============1578845033==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 12 09:23:53 2009 From: To: Mike Michels , garywinblad@comcast.net Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:04:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] vapor recovery gas nozzles The things are a real problem. It is not possible to obtain a seal around the Tiger fill neck and keep enough preassure on the nozzle rubber/spring to keep it running. However what does work pretty well at least at some pumps is to hold the pump handle in my left hand pointed more towards the front of the car rather than the obvious in from the side. Then using the finger tips of the right hand peel the rubber/springs back as far as you can.With the pump spigot now barely inserted in the car neck rather than fully inserted I get clean or at least cleaner gas delivery. Just another example of the idiotic Calif legislature (not the gas companies) trying to save the planet Those idiotic devices have been around for at least 15 years at every pump in Calif. They make filling every car/motorcycle/gas can more difficult. They make the Tiger neck really difficult. Steve R B9473720 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 12 10:42:50 2009 From: ts <289tiger@gmail.com> To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:22:38 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Any thoughts on e bay Tiger # 260374562784 --===============2021573899== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd2e12c8b474c0464ee640b --000e0cd2e12c8b474c0464ee640b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > If if is a Tiger, it's most certainly an early example, still having the > black Alpine dash. So some tigers actually came with Alpine hardware? --000e0cd2e12c8b474c0464ee640b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
If if is a Tiger, it's most certainly an early example, still having the black Alpine dash.

So some tigers actually came with Alpine hardware? --000e0cd2e12c8b474c0464ee640b-- --===============2021573899== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============2021573899==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 12 10:57:39 2009 From: rab65tiger@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:28:46 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Vapor recovery gas nozles --===============1170978190== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CB7146C07F3F0C_1CD0_35DD_WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com" ----------MB_8CB7146C07F3F0C_1CD0_35DD_WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have had the same issue with the vapor recovory nozle, for me it trquired 2 hands to put gas in.? One to hold nozle in place, and the other to pull back on the vapor recovory sleeve.? Then slowly put gas in, often in spurts.? Cannot just put nozzle in and pull lever, I cannot even get the vapor recover sleeve to allow gas to flow without second hand to pull back the sleeve.? Luckily the gas capacity is small.? I have thought about filling 5 gallon cans and then filling car at home. Randy. ----------MB_8CB7146C07F3F0C_1CD0_35DD_WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I have had the same issue with the vapor recovory nozle, for me it trquired 2 hands to put gas in.  One to hold nozle in place, and the other to pull back on the vapor recovory sleeve.  Then slowly put gas in, often in spurts.  Cannot just put nozzle in and pull lever, I cannot even get the vapor recover sleeve to allow gas to flow without second hand to pull back the sleeve.  Luckily the gas capacity is small.  I have thought about filling 5 gallon cans and then filling car at home.

Randy. ----------MB_8CB7146C07F3F0C_1CD0_35DD_WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com-- --===============1170978190== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============1170978190==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 12 10:57:44 2009 From: Larry Paulick To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:31:37 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Previous Owners Has anyone had any success in locating the history of previous Tiger owners, including the dealership. Thanks Larry _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 12 11:19:49 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:55:51 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Any thoughts on e bay Tiger # 260374562784 I believe every Tiger from the first through #400 had the black, instead of wood dash panel. Technically it wasn't an Alpine part because it was sold on the Tiger. In reality it was an Alpine part. My Tiger #101 has the black vinyl dash. But, to answer the question of, "So some tigers actually came with Alpine hardware?." Yes, doors, hoods, glass (many more etc's). It was only the Tiger specific parts that make a Tiger a real Tiger. And some of those are welded into the body/frame rather than bolt on parts. What makes a Tiger a Tiger is not the sum total of the parts one may piece together, but rather did the car roll off the Jensen assembly line as a Tiger. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 12 11:36:35 2009 From: "Buck Trippel" To: Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:19:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] vapor recovery gas nozzles Hello everyone, Mike Michels started something with this tread. I followed up by asking my wife, who got gas in her Tiger last weekend, whether she'd had a problem. She said she quit pumping after getting only 4 gallons into the tank and two quarts on the side of the car or on the ground. I called the Air Quality people this morning and explained our problems. Within an hour, the supervisor of the filling station group returned my call. He explained that new nozzles are supposed to be installed in all service stations by April 1st. So this is not just a Chevron issue. He said that most stations were choosing either the "Healy" nozzle or a "balance type" nozzle. He thought our issue is with the Healy nozzle. (My wife returned to the Chevron station and confirmed the nozzle she'd had problems with was indeed a Healy nozzle.) I described the situation to him as a flawed design that's far beyond a vapor recovery issue. I stressed to him the potential for serious fires. He replied that the nozzles were tested for 18 months but obviously not on our cars. Anyway he said he's looking into the problem. Keeping my fingers crossed, Buck Trippel _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 12 11:51:08 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:31:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Any thoughts on e bay Tiger # 260374562784 just to add to Tom's description...(and this is one of those rare occasions where I get to chime in with hopefully an intelligent contribution) my "Tiger" was sold in Europe and not for export ( to the u.s.) and there it was classified as an Alpine 260, so in fact, it had some alpine hardware, namely some lens changes and alpine specific badging...but ironically, it came with a wood dash. My understanding is that it didn't say Tiger on it at all. But I will still call it a Tiger so I can fit in with the cool crowd... ;) Cullen But, to answer the question of, "So some tigers actually came with Alpine hardware?." Yes, doors, hoods, glass (many more etc's). It was only the Tiger specific parts that make a Tiger a real Tiger. And some of those are welded into the body/frame rather than bolt on parts. What makes a Tiger a Tiger is not the sum total of the parts one may piece together, but rather did the car roll off the Jensen assembly line as a Tiger. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 12 12:07:54 2009 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: , Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:52:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] vapor recovery gas nozzles There is a u-shaped device intended to hold the cover back for motorcycle riders. I can't vouch for their actual usefulness since we don't need them in Louisiana. Try http://www.dixonymachine.com/GasBuddy.htm or http://www.wingstuff.com/pgroup_detail/11222_Gas_Buddy/22494_Gas_Buddy_Bille t_Aluminum_Fuel_Nozzle_Boot_Holder/?goto=%2Fpgroup_list%2Fsupplies%2F11222_G as_Buddy%2Fmfg%2F for a couple of varieties. HTH, A. C. Tynes > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten@ca.rr.com > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:05 AM > To: Mike Michels; garywinblad@comcast.net > Cc: Tiger Email List > Subject: Re: [Tigers] vapor recovery gas nozzles > > > The things are a real problem. It is not possible to obtain a > seal around the Tiger fill neck and keep enough preassure on > the nozzle rubber/spring to keep it running. However what > does work pretty well at least at some pumps is to hold the > pump handle in my left hand pointed more towards the front of > the car rather than the obvious in from the side. Then using > the finger tips of the right hand peel the rubber/springs > back as far as you can.With the pump spigot now barely > inserted in the car neck rather than fully inserted I get > clean or at least cleaner gas delivery. > > Just another example of the idiotic Calif legislature (not > the gas companies) trying to save the planet Those idiotic > devices have been around for at least 15 years at every pump > in Calif. They make filling every car/motorcycle/gas can more > difficult. They make the Tiger neck really difficult. > > Steve R > B9473720 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 12 12:34:59 2009 From: stubrennan@comcast.net To: Larry Paulick Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:58:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Previous Owners --===============0030284225== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_64067_945433323.1236880688749" ------=_Part_64067_945433323.1236880688749 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My original owners manual had the name of the original dealer, and the orig= inal owner's name.=C2=A0 The second owner got it when it was about 2-3 year= s old, and I knew where he was until about 1987, 10 years after I bought it= from him.=C2=A0 No further info on either.=20 I'm owner #3.=20 ------=_Part_64067_945433323.1236880688749 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

My original owners manual had the name of the original dealer, and the original owner's name.  The second owner got it when it was about 2-3 years old, and I knew where he was until about 1987, 10 years after I bought it from him.  No further info on either.

 

I'm owner #3.

 

 

------=_Part_64067_945433323.1236880688749-- --===============0030284225== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============0030284225==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 12 12:40:56 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, Thomas Witt Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:04:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Any thoughts on e bay Tiger # 260374562784 Whereas I can't speak to Tom's comment about the first 400 Tigers having black dashes, I can confirm that my first Tiger, B9470058, had the black Alpine dash. Yes, it is true that a number of the early Tigers had the Alpine dash. Maybe Norm can step in on this with a specific number...Norm? Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 12 13:39:38 2009 From: "Buck Trippel" To: , , Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:50:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Any thoughts on e bay Tiger # 260374562784 Did your first Tiger come with a T-10 instead of the Toploader? bt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; "Thomas Witt" Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Any thoughts on e bay Tiger # 260374562784 > Whereas I can't speak to Tom's comment about the first 400 Tigers having > black dashes, I can confirm that my first Tiger, B9470058, had the black > Alpine dash. Yes, it is true that a number of the early Tigers had the > Alpine dash. Maybe Norm can step in on this with a specific > number...Norm? > > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE > B9006857LRX > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 12 14:12:03 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:25:55 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tracing back a Tiger --===============1536855602== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1236885955" -------------------------------1236885955 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On finding previous owners you can try working your way back through various motor vehicle depts. You will find that some states can go back into the 60's while others don't have records beyond 20 years or so. In the ones that do have records they might require you to complete a form and pay a small fee to dig into their archives. The last I knew Florida, for example, was quite good. It took about 30 days. I used to have to search mobile home titles (same dept, same method) and they got back into the 1960's for me. Florida asked for previous owner, title number (vin), year of vehicle and tag (plate) number. They could often trace records using just one of these items, but it seemed to increase the chances of success if more information could be given. Some very strange things can happen to ownership/title information over the years. You can almost be positive that somewhere in the US there is Tiger titled as a Ford or Chevy. Mine was titled as a Rootes. I tired searching my Tiger through Ohio (think that was it) and was told there were no records beyond 20 years. Mark L **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) -------------------------------1236885955 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    On finding previous owners yo= u can=20 try working your way back through various motor vehicle depts.  You wil= l=20 find that some states can go back into the 60's while others don't have reco= rds=20 beyond 20 years or so.  In the ones that do have records they might req= uire=20 you to complete a form and pay a small fee to dig into their archives. = The=20 last I knew Florida, for example, was quite good. It took about 30=20 days. I used to have to search mobile home titles (same dept, same meth= od)=20 and they got back into the 1960's for me. 
    Florida asked for previous ow= ner,=20 title number (vin), year of vehicle and tag (plate) number.  They could= =20 often trace records using just one of these items, but it seemed to increase= the=20 chances of success if  more information could be=20 given. 
    Some very strange things can=20= happen=20 to ownership/title information over the years.  You can almost be posit= ive=20 that somewhere in the US there is Tiger titled as a Ford or Chevy.  Min= e=20 was titled as a Rootes.
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Norman's TBON, pp. 162, says that about 400 were produced using the Alpine vinyl dash.  He specifically states that they were B9470001 Jensen Date April 1964   and B9470400 Jensen Date Jan 09, 1964.

Maybe Norman has more information, and will enlighten us.

Steve
___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>


awtiger@cox.net wrote: 
Whereas I can't speak to Tom's comment about the first 400 Tigers having black dashes, I can confirm that my first Tiger, B9470058, had the black Alpine dash.  Yes, it is true that a number of the early Tigers had the Alpine dash.  Maybe Norm can step in on this with a specific number...Norm?

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK 
B382001600LRXFE
B9006857LRX
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To answer = my question about a=20 Boston warehouse, Robert Jaarsma reports having the window sticker = from one of=20 his cars, indicating that his car was shipped in through Boston.  = And he=20 also met a former Sunbeam dealer employee from VT who confirmed that = they used=20 to get cars through Boston, too.
 
So New York was not the = only POE in=20 the Northeast.
 
Stu
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For those duiscussing a 7 litre tiger.. this looks like one.. seems to= be a 427 ford..
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That car was at this year's Detroit Autorama show...kind of a NASCAR-es= que=20 vibe going on, imho. The pictures of the interior and other details aren't a= s=20 cool as the old school racer exterior...the motor is a FE big block, as= =20 you've noted.
 
In a message dated 3/12/2009 6:44:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,=20 michael.s.king@gmail.com writes:
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#54 is in IL.  Has the Black Dash, Aluminum case trans and Cobra=20 Shitfer.
Color is Powder Blue with Black Interior.under going reassembly after a= =20
piss poor  restoration attempt by a famed Ferrarri restorer in=20 Colorado.  After
spending $10K on a complete paint job and wanting $10K more to=20 contniue,
I advised the ower to retreive the car befor it was too late.  Wha= t he=20 got back
was a poor paint job, unrubbed, body and interior stripped, hood=20 closed
without the pull installed, boxes of unlabled parts, etc.  The=20 windscreen frame
was not even painted with the rest of the car.
 
It's been aitting in a dry garage waiting for someone to volunteer to
reassemble the car. In the meantime the owner is forced to drive one=20 of
two Ferraris or the Italia.  Of course he's a doctor.  Doesn'= t=20 want
to risk his hands on working of a car.
 
He's a good friend and when I finish me Tiger, I will see what I can=20 do
to help him.  I told him about Doug Jennings, but he didn't want t= o=20 use
him.  Its too late now, as Doug has retired.
 
IMHO most restoration shops should wear masks.
 
Dave, fixing it myself.
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 =20
B382002668 was originally sold in Houston Texas to Don Roth.
He was a helicopter mechanic for the Navy and was transferred
to San Diego where he still lives working on helicopters.  I=20 learned
about him when re responding to an Info Wanted ad in CAT.  He
recognized the LAT oil pand and other options he put on the car.
He sold the car to a Dee Jackson.  It was in a accident where a
bimbo ran a light and clobbered the right front.  He moved the car= =20
to Belvidere, IL where he made Plymouths.  The Tiger sat for 10
years in his garage. He lost his job and I bought the car in 1978. = ;=20
I fixed the damaged right front suspension and have been driving
it since until my son expereinced a broken fulcrum pin and hit an
Explorer (Rolled it over and totalled it) bounced off and took down
a light pole until landing in a ditch.He was fine the car was not. = ;=20
Heavy damage to the front.
 
After 5 years of collecting parts, I am fixing it now.  I was able= =20 to
save the fenders and just finished welding on the new nose piece
and radiator support.  Measurements match the manual exactly
and my new Wilcox hood fits great!  Lots to do yet, but I hope
to drive it this year.
 
B382002559 is owned by De Johnson who I met at the
IN SAAC Spring Fling and again at the Aspen SUNI.
I used to tell him that explains the red overspray on his car.
 
Dave
 -------------------------------1236910556-- --===============0463035665== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============0463035665==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 12 21:14:26 2009 From: "J. Nichols" To: Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:15:12 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 7 litre tigers - Ultra Super Tiger This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2072875278== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C9A368.64EBC8B0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C9A368.64EBC8B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "For those duiscussing a 7 litre tiger.. this looks like one.. seems to = be a 427 ford.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonyoder/3347615125/sizes/o/" That is the car I mentioned in a earlier post. The info board said it = is a "Hand Crafted road racer" engineered and assembled by Vintage = Performance. Also, the car was restored by Vintage Performance. I = don't know how much was left of the orginal restored car after the "hand = crafting" was finished. Anyway, it has a 1 3/8 " tube frame, Ford 427 = CI side oiler with 600cfm dual quad carbs, Ford 4 speed Toploader trans, = front suspension is "hand fabricated" coil over strut with Woodward = rack, rear end: narrowed 9" Ford, wheels: 15" x 9.5 " Nascar, = interior is also "hand crafted ". =20 I suppose this is the Ultra Super Tiger. = Jeff=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C9A368.64EBC8B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"For those=20 duiscussing a 7 litre tiger.. this looks like one.. seems to be a
427 = ford..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonyoder/3347615125/sizes/o/"
 
 
That is the car I mentioned in a = earlier=20 post.    The info board said it is a "Hand Crafted road=20 racer"  engineered and assembled by Vintage Performance. =20 Also, the car was restored by Vintage Performance.  I don't = know how=20 much was left of the orginal restored car after the "hand crafting" was=20 finished.   Anyway, it has a 1 3/8 " tube frame,  Ford = 427 CI=20 side oiler with 600cfm dual quad carbs, Ford 4 speed Toploader trans, = front=20 suspension is "hand fabricated" coil over strut with Woodward = rack,  rear=20 end: narrowed  9" Ford, wheels: 15" x 9.5 " Nascar,  interior = is=20 also  "hand crafted ".   
 
 I suppose this is the Ultra Super = Tiger.
 
 
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Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buck Trippel" To: ; ; "Thomas Witt" Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Any thoughts on e bay Tiger # 260374562784 > Did your first Tiger come with a T-10 instead of the Toploader? > > bt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; "Thomas Witt" > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Any thoughts on e bay Tiger # 260374562784 > > >> Whereas I can't speak to Tom's comment about the first 400 Tigers having >> black dashes, I can confirm that my first Tiger, B9470058, had the black >> Alpine dash. Yes, it is true that a number of the early Tigers had the >> Alpine dash. Maybe Norm can step in on this with a specific >> number...Norm? >> >> Andy Walker >> Edmond, OK >> B382001600LRXFE >> B9006857LRX >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 12 21:48:56 2009 From: "Mike Michels" To: "A. C. Tynes" , , Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:50:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] vapor recovery gas nozzles Interesting gadget. might be worth a try. ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. C. Tynes" To: ; Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] vapor recovery gas nozzles > There is a u-shaped device intended to hold the cover back for motorcycle > riders. I can't vouch for their actual usefulness since we don't need them > in Louisiana. > > Try > > http://www.dixonymachine.com/GasBuddy.htm or > > http://www.wingstuff.com/pgroup_detail/11222_Gas_Buddy/22494_Gas_Buddy_Bille > t_Aluminum_Fuel_Nozzle_Boot_Holder/?goto=%2Fpgroup_list%2Fsupplies%2F11222_G > as_Buddy%2Fmfg%2F for a couple of varieties. > > HTH, > A. C. Tynes > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >> [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten@ca.rr.com >> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:05 AM >> To: Mike Michels; garywinblad@comcast.net >> Cc: Tiger Email List >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] vapor recovery gas nozzles >> >> >> The things are a real problem. It is not possible to obtain a >> seal around the Tiger fill neck and keep enough preassure on >> the nozzle rubber/spring to keep it running. However what >> does work pretty well at least at some pumps is to hold the >> pump handle in my left hand pointed more towards the front of >> the car rather than the obvious in from the side. Then using >> the finger tips of the right hand peel the rubber/springs >> back as far as you can.With the pump spigot now barely >> inserted in the car neck rather than fully inserted I get >> clean or at least cleaner gas delivery. >> >> Just another example of the idiotic Calif legislature (not >> the gas companies) trying to save the planet Those idiotic >> devices have been around for at least 15 years at every pump >> in Calif. They make filling every car/motorcycle/gas can more >> difficult. They make the Tiger neck really difficult. >> >> Steve R >> B9473720 >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 12 22:09:59 2009 From: "Mike Michels" To: "Tiger Email List" Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:11:17 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] More vapor recovery nozzle This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0998643316== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C9A357.159F8D70" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C9A357.159F8D70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I took another look at the gas cap and looking closer at the stud that = holds down the latch on the left side, I don't believe that's the = problem because there is enough room for the bellows to clear it and = seal against the filler neck ring. The troublesome nozzle has a "Healy" = brand name. (Donald Healey's ghost exacting revenge on Rootes products?) = . I expect to have plenty of stops at gas stations to research this = issue since I can only get a few gallons in at a time!! ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C9A357.159F8D70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I took another look at the gas cap and looking = closer at the=20 stud that holds down the latch on the left side, I don't believe that's = the=20 problem because there is enough room for the bellows to clear it and = seal=20 against the filler neck ring. The troublesome nozzle has a "Healy"=20  brand name. (Donald Healey's ghost exacting revenge on Rootes = products?) .=20 I expect to have plenty of stops at gas stations to research this issue=20 since I can only get a few gallons in at a=20 time!!
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C9A357.159F8D70-- --===============0998643316== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============0998643316==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 12 22:29:35 2009 From: "Buck Trippel" To: "Andy Walker" , , Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:30:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] T-10 in early Tigers and Bill Carrolls book Andy, Thanks for the information. (I'd thought your number was pretty close to the changeover - that's why I asked the question in the first place.) I've also heard similar comments about Bill Carroll's book. I've never spent the time to figure out if they are true. But I have studied a small part of Bill's book and did my own version of "fact checking" on it. About 8 years ago I noted many inconsistencies (maybe a total of ten items) between the description of the construction of the Tiger prototype in Mike Taylor's book versus Carroll's. I then went out and chatted with people who were working at Shelby American back then and had first hand knowledge. I first spoke with John Morton who hooked me up with George Boskoff. Then Phil Remington and Ted Sutton. Finally I visited with Lew Spencer and Jim O'Leary. Along the way I tossed a couple questions at Carroll Shelby himself. Bottom Line: In every case, each and every one of them recalled the events as Bill Carroll had recorded them. Never once (where there was a discrepancy between the accounts) was Mike Taylor's version supported by the guys who were actually there. Unfortunately, the mistakes in Mike's book continue to be believed and spread. Recently a new book on Rootes racing repeated Mike's account. Again, I'm only talking about the events surrounding the construction of the Shelby prototype. To be fair to Mike, I did find one person who supported Mike's version versus Bill's on how the Shelby prototype was shipped to and then returned from England. Both books relate how the wife of a Rootes executive drove it across the USA. One account has her driving it east, the other book has her driving in west. HJ Meyers, Sports Car Forum president at the time, personally knew the lady, because she was the wife of his local Rootes district manager. HJ sided with Mike on that one. Finally, as many mistakes as Mike has in his book, they're nothing when compared to the mistakes poor Dave Friedman made when he wrote the chapter on Tiger racing in his Shelby American Racing book. He somehow managed to miss 2/3 of the Shelby Tiger races. He somberly captioned a photo saying something like "Lew Spencer never raced the Tiger again after this crash". I've found that Lew raced it once or twice per month for the next 5 months. (And I'm sure that real Tiger researchers like Norm Miller or Bill Martin could easily improve on what I've found.) Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Walker" To: "Buck Trippel" ; ; "Thomas Witt" Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Any thoughts on e bay Tiger # 260374562784 > Hey, Buck: > > It had a toploader in it. According to Bill Carroll's book, it would have > been the second car off the line with the Toploader. However, that book > is supposedly loaded with incorrect info so I can't substantiate that. > > Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Buck Trippel" > To: ; ; "Thomas Witt" > > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 1:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Any thoughts on e bay Tiger # 260374562784 > > >> Did your first Tiger come with a T-10 instead of the Toploader? >> >> bt >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: ; "Thomas Witt" >> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:04 AM >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Any thoughts on e bay Tiger # 260374562784 >> >> >>> Whereas I can't speak to Tom's comment about the first 400 Tigers having >>> black dashes, I can confirm that my first Tiger, B9470058, had the black >>> Alpine dash. Yes, it is true that a number of the early Tigers had the >>> Alpine dash. Maybe Norm can step in on this with a specific >>> number...Norm? >>> >>> Andy Walker >>> Edmond, OK >>> B382001600LRXFE >>> B9006857LRX >>> _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 12 23:01:59 2009 From: To: awtiger@cox.net, tigers@autox.team.net, Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 1:03:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Any thoughts on e bay Tiger # 260374562784 In one early phone conversation with Norm he told me the first 400 had black dash. Regarding this specific Tiger.... It was the first I drove when I started shopping.Norm told me it was authentic but his notes said it needed lots of work. I can attest to needing plenty. Norm had said it was hit hard on the drivers side some years ago. When I rode in passenger side I could see asphalt in the gap between door bottom and rocker. The seller had been asking $28K and upped it to $34K when Get Smart movie came out. At 28K it is overpriced. Steve ---- awtiger@cox.net wrote: > Whereas I can't speak to Tom's comment about the first 400 Tigers having black dashes, I can confirm that my first Tiger, B9470058, had the black Alpine dash. Yes, it is true that a number of the early Tigers had the Alpine dash. Maybe Norm can step in on this with a specific number...Norm? > > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE > B9006857LRX > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 12 23:11:49 2009 From: To: awtiger@cox.net, tigers@autox.team.net, Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 1:12:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Any thoughts on e bay Tiger # 260374562784 In one early phone conversation with Norm he told me the first 400 had black dash. Regarding this specific Tiger.... It was the first I drove when I started shopping.Norm told me it was authentic but his notes said it needed lots of work. I can attest to needing plenty. Norm had said it was hit hard on the drivers side some years ago. When I rode in passenger side I could see asphalt in the gap between door bottom and rocker. The seller had been asking $28K and upped it to $34K when Get Smart movie came out. At 28K it is overpriced. Steve ---- awtiger@cox.net wrote: > Whereas I can't speak to Tom's comment about the first 400 Tigers having black dashes, I can confirm that my first Tiger, B9470058, had the black Alpine dash. Yes, it is true that a number of the early Tigers had the Alpine dash. Maybe Norm can step in on this with a specific number...Norm? > > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE > B9006857LRX > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 13 00:40:38 2009 From: "Tiger Man" To: Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:41:19 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Any thoughts on e bay Tiger # 260374562784 What kind of air cleaner is this car running? Is this some air cleaner that is lower profile than the stock one so the person could run a higher intake/carb setup than standard? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; "Thomas Witt" Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Any thoughts on e bay Tiger # 260374562784 > In one early phone conversation with Norm he told me the first 400 had > black dash. > > Regarding this specific Tiger.... > > It was the first I drove when I started shopping.Norm told me it was > authentic > but his notes said it needed lots of work. I can attest to needing plenty. > Norm had said it was hit hard on the drivers side some years ago. When I > rode > in passenger side I could see asphalt in the gap between door bottom and > rocker. > > The seller had been asking $28K and upped it to $34K when Get Smart movie > came out. > At 28K it is overpriced. > > Steve > ---- awtiger@cox.net wrote: >> Whereas I can't speak to Tom's comment about the first 400 Tigers having >> black dashes, I can confirm that my first Tiger, B9470058, had the black >> Alpine dash. Yes, it is true that a number of the early Tigers had the >> Alpine dash. Maybe Norm can step in on this with a specific >> number...Norm? >> >> Andy Walker >> Edmond, OK >> B382001600LRXFE >> B9006857LRX >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 13 08:13:23 2009 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: jxnichols@sbcglobal.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:13:31 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] 7 litre tigers - Ultra Super Tiger --===============2084632017== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1236953611" -------------------------------1236953611 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You sure it's not an Alpine? :) Fred Baum **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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-------------------------------1236953611-- --===============2084632017== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============2084632017==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 13 08:25:33 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Tiger Man" , Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:26:35 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Any thoughts on e bay Tiger # 260374562784 It's a B&M piece, according to the pictures and description of eBay #160319458377. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tiger Man > Sent: March 13, 2009 12:41 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Any thoughts on e bay Tiger # 260374562784 > > What kind of air cleaner is this car running? > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 13 12:18:26 2009 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:19:25 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Vapor recovery nozzles, part 2 Several riders on my motorcycle list say that the little U-shaped gadgets work and make filling their tanks easier. They say they can actually see past the pushed back cover and down into the tank to gauge how close they are getting to the top. One said that his favorite station in Oregon (where they aren't allowed to self serve) keeps a homemade one on hand to make it easier for station employees to fill motorcycles. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 13 13:28:52 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Buck Trippel Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] vapor recovery gas nozzles and NOS rotor thickness --===============1603187222== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1184054512-1236972589=:46021" --0-1184054512-1236972589=:46021 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nice work Buck. For those interested; Ther are a couple of NEW OLD STOCK rotors on epay. If the auction hasnt ended. I emailed the seller and ask him to mic the rotors so that WE would know how thick orginal rotors where when new. having a few old ones I dont want to turn them down if its to the point of no return or store them and so I was curios. his reply is a bit more tha 1/2 inch but there is a coating to prevent rust, so he thought the NOS rotors are 1/2 inch. Perhaps its well known to many but since I wasnt awate I thought I would share with anyone else who, like me, might be big and blonde-- hey, Im not dumb, just a little overweight and mentally challenged. It is so nice visiting friends and family in Fla. while the ground is frozen in southern IL. Are there any Californians I can visit next March? I like to cook and will do dishes and mow the lawn and or help work on Sunbeams and buy some groceries.First come receive first consideration. LOL TtT --0-1184054512-1236972589=:46021 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
greetings,
     Those bellows vapour catchers are not prevela= nt all over the country..I haven't seen very many of them east of Cal. = ; I drive to Denver a lot, from the east coast region....My trips seldom fi= nd any bellows pumps anywhere on the route..If one is encountered, they are= very short and quite soft..no problems.
Howard
The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of= America.

--- On Thu, 3/12/09, Mike Michels <mmichels@socal= .rr.com> wrote:

From: Mike Michels <mmichels@socal.rr.com><= BR>Subject: [Tigers] vapor recovery gas nozzles
To: "Tiger Email List" &= lt;tigers@autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 12:02 AM
Lately I have stopped at a couple of Chevron stations i= n SoCal with a new kind of vapor recovery gas nozzle. The bellows and spout= are quite short. Attempting to gas up the Tiger through the standard flip-= lid gas filler is nearly impossible. Gas spills out no matter how hard you = try to seal the bellows, even with considerable pressure against the filler= neck.  Or it keeps shutting off. Fortunately there are other brand st= ations with the more typical style of nozzle, but one wonders if this = is now a new required type being phased in. Anybody else run into this prob= lem?

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Nice work Buck.
For those interested; Ther are a couple of NEW OLD STOCK rotors on epay. If the auction hasnt ended. I emailed the seller and ask him to mic the rotors so that WE would know how thick orginal rotors where when new. having a few old ones I dont want to turn them down if its to the point of no return or store them and so I was curios. his reply is a bit more tha 1/2 inch but there is a coating to prevent rust, so he thought the NOS rotors are 1/2 inch. Perhaps its well known to many but since I wasnt awate I thought I would share with anyone else who, like me, might be big and blonde-- hey, Im not dumb, just a little overweight and mentally challenged.
It is so nice visiting friends and family in Fla. while the ground is frozen in southern IL. Are there any Californians I can visit next March? I like to cook and will do dishes and mow the lawn and or help work on Sunbeams and buy some groceries.First come receive first consideration. LOL
TtT

--0-1184054512-1236972589=:46021-- --===============1603187222== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============1603187222==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 13 22:12:11 2009 From: TIGEROOTES@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:12:55 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas Nozzles and Rootesmobiles --===============0762664851== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c8e.35f143f5.36ec88c7_boundary" --part1_c8e.35f143f5.36ec88c7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Listers, A few years ago I went to a local Shell Station to refuel my 1957 Hillman Minx which unlike my Tiger, has a simple tube that rises a couple inches outside the body. This particular gas nozzle had a spring-loaded 'bellows' and the da##ed thing got stuck over the tube! I fought with the demonic device for at least two minutes until it finally 'popped out' and then the nozzle and hose flew out of my hand landing behind my car and slammed to the ground. When I went inside to pay and to complain, "Mo" read me the riot act and I cannot say here what I said back to him. The customer is always right? How about when I become physically attached to a business and cannot leave? Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) --part1_c8e.35f143f5.36ec88c7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Listers,
       A few years ago I went to a local Shell= Station to refuel my 1957 Hillman Minx which unlike my Tiger, has a simple=20= tube that rises a couple inches outside the body.  This particular gas=20= nozzle had a spring-loaded 'bellows' and the da##ed thing got stuck over the=   tube!

       I fought with the demonic device for at= least two minutes until it finally 'popped out' and then the nozzle and hos= e flew out of my hand landing behind my car and slammed to the ground.

       When I went inside to pay and to compla= in, "Mo" read me the riot act and I cannot say here what I said back to him.=   The customer is always right?  How about when I become physicall= y attached to a business and cannot leave?
Jim Leach    Pacific Tiger Club     Seatt= le

      


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Ne= ed a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/sea= rch?query=3Demployment_agencies&ncid=3Demlcntusyelp00000005) --part1_c8e.35f143f5.36ec88c7_boundary-- --===============0762664851== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --===============0762664851==-- From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 14 10:41:07 2009 From: "Russ Eshelman" To: "Andy Walker" , , Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:44:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hardtop storage rack This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0876039516== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C9A4A2.9F2C2F20" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C9A4A2.9F2C2F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm using one that came with the new T-birds and it works great. No = idea how much one might cost ..... mine was given to me. Russ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Walker=20 To: tigers@autox.team.net ; alpines=20 Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop storage rack Hey, guys: Does anyone out there in Sunbeam land have a hardtop storage rack like = the one currently on Ebay (item #330254206739)? A rack like this would = solve a storage problem for me but, before I ante up for one, I just = wanted to see if anyone else out there had one and whether or not they = liked it. Any feedback would be appreciated! Now, I'm off to work on my Alpine!!!!! Thanks, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C9A4A2.9F2C2F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm using one that came with the new T-birds and it = works=20 great.  No idea how much one might cost ..... mine was given = to=20 me.
Russ
 
 
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Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop storage rack

Hey, guys:
 
Does anyone out there in Sunbeam land = have a=20 hardtop storage rack like the one currently on Ebay (item = #330254206739)? =20 A rack like this would solve a storage problem for me but, before I ante = up for=20 one, I just wanted to see if anyone else out there had one and whether = or not=20 they liked it.  Any feedback would be appreciated!
 
Now, I'm off to work on my = Alpine!!!!!
 
Thanks,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
B9006857LRX
 

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I made my own just out of wood. Unless the shipping = is excessive, just the time alone that would go into making one makes this = worth it for $100. It is really convenient and protects the top better than just = leaning it against a wall in the garage or carport. =

Ed

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Otherwise, since it to heavy for me alone to lift, I'd have to take another step to lower it to the rack. All the cars, parts, work bench, etc. make floor space a premium, so the hoist to rafters method is best for me. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Andy Walker wrote: > Hey, guys: > > Does anyone out there in Sunbeam land have a hardtop storage rack like > the one currently on Ebay (item #330254206739)? A rack like this > would solve a storage problem for me but, before I ante up for one, I > just wanted to see if anyone else out there had one and whether or not > they liked it. Any feedback would be appreciated! > > Now, I'm off to work on my Alpine!!!!! > > Thanks, > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE > B9006857LRX _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 14 12:37:22 2009 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 14:38:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop Storage Rather than building a rack for your hardtop, you can just as easily build a hoist to get it up out of the way in your garage. Goto http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-body6.asp to see some discussion by our own Mr. Laifman on how it can be done. Makes it easy to mount it without the help of someone else, too. Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 14 14:25:15 2009 From: "Robin Young" To: Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:26:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hardtop storage rack I just took the time to see the top storage rack....that is a 450 SL top in the picture. The Sunbeam top fits well too. I paid about $175 for mine many years ago. The price seems good to me for each of the five tops available. RObin _____ From: Robin Young [mailto:robin02@mindspring.com] Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:50 PM To: 'Russ Eshelman'; 'Andy Walker'; 'tigers@autox.team.net'; 'alpines' Subject: RE: [Tigers] Hardtop storage rack I use one made for the Mercedes 450SL. It fits perfectly and is on rollers. RObin YOung _____ From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Russ Eshelman Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:45 PM To: Andy Walker; tigers@autox.team.net; alpines Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hardtop storage rack I'm using one that came with the new T-birds and it works great. No idea how much one might cost ..... mine was given to me. Russ ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Walker To: tigers@autox.team.net ; alpines Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop storage rack Hey, guys: Does anyone out there in Sunbeam land have a hardtop storage rack like the one currently on Ebay (item #330254206739)? A rack like this would solve a storage problem for me but, before I ante up for one, I just wanted to see if anyone else out there had one and whether or not they liked it. Any feedback would be appreciated! Now, I'm off to work on my Alpine!!!!! Thanks, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 14 15:29:26 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 14:29:55 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay "Bent" Sunbeam (other questions) The bent Sunbeam Tiger did NOT make reserve and therefore did not sell. The high bidder offered $3,451.00. This car has brought me to ponder; Say there were two Tigers that were confirmed by TAC. One was hit hard in the front, and one hit hard in the rear. An enterprising person bought both and grafted the two good halves together. How would the Tiger community look at this car? What VIN/JAL would it carry? Is it still a "real" Tiger? And perhaps most interesting WHO would be considered the party/parties to say so? Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 14 15:50:43 2009 From: Paul R Sheahan To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 14:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Black Tiger on ebay Has anyone seen this car or have any info on it. A gentleman in Jacksonville, Florida has called me about it and told him I would ask the list. Thanks, Paul Paul R Sheahan _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 14 17:22:46 2009 From: "Jim" To: Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:23:03 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] FW: test -----Original Message----- From: Jim [mailto:jim@island.net] Sent: October 19, 2008 6:46 PM To: 'tigers@autox.team.net' Subject: test Can't seem to post to this list anymore... :( _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 14 17:27:29 2009 From: "Jim" To: Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:28:31 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] FW: RE: Anderson Ackerman Kit I've tried to post the message below for 10 days and it bounced but looks like I'm able to today... go figure... I've spent a lot of time the last few weeks gathering info about this 30+ year old kit of Lou Andersons'. I've got the installation instructions, tech tip and even some original drawings for it sent to me by some gracious 'listers'. I've talked to guys that have had it installed for 30 years, others that have one never installed and others that used to have one, etc. ... The one thing I haven't found is one for sale ! I thought I would ask the 'list' once more if anyone out there either has one... or knows of one that I could purchase... I would really like to have one of these in my Tiger... Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: Jim [mailto:jim@island.net] Sent: October 19, 2008 6:46 PM To: 'tigers@autox.team.net' Subject: test Can't seem to post to this list anymore... :( _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 14 17:42:45 2009 From: "Andy Walker" To: , "alpines" Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:43:43 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Top rack Thanks to all who responded about my question concerning the top rack. Because of both the light placement and the HVAC in my shop, hanging it from the ceiling is just not an option. If I ever get my bigger shop built, maybe I could do it. For now, however, this rack seems to be the way to go. Again, thanks for all the responses. As usual, the two Sunbeam lists are very helpful!!! Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 14 18:18:14 2009 From: "spook01" To: Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:19:20 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] tiger for sale hi guys, i have a project tiger (no alpine) for sale. here's the deal: it is a early car (Mk 1) that has a 302 (rebuilt) toploader (allegedly rebuilt) along with front and rear suspensions in the car. just about everything else will have to be bolted to the car, but i think most is there less the instruments which some numb-nuts replced with sw some time back. they were binned. the body has new paint that will need touch up from garage rash and buffing. it is metallic dark golden brown. i will stick a set of wheels on it so it can ship as a roller. comes with some new stuff, such as a top and some other stuff. no aircleaner, no expansion tank, but new engine, balanced, new carb, headers, etc. real car, no rust. i would like to get 15k for it, since the funds were pumped in. if you are interested - or know someone who is interested - send me an off list email and when i get home from this trip i will send photos of the car including the jal and id tags, inner fenders, etc., and yes, some dork pulled the tags and riveted them back on....it's real though. best,. Ray _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 14 18:20:37 2009 From: "Scattt" To: "Andy Walker" , , "alpines" Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:21:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hardtop storage rack Andy: we have been using a rack designed for a Mazda Miata sold by Moss Motors. It works very well,has castors,some come with a dust cover and they fit the Sunbeam top like a glove. Price if I recall is just over $100.00 -$125.00. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Walker To: tigers@autox.team.net ; alpines Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop storage rack Hey, guys: Does anyone out there in Sunbeam land have a hardtop storage rack like the one currently on Ebay (item #330254206739)? A rack like this would solve a storage problem for me but, before I ante up for one, I just wanted to see if anyone else out there had one and whether or not they liked it. Any feedback would be appreciated! Now, I'm off to work on my Alpine!!!!! Thanks, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 14 18:26:44 2009 From: "spook01" To: Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:27:44 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] tiger for sale i should have mentioned the car is in nashville, tn. best, Ray _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 14 19:29:44 2009 From: vegaslegal@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:30:32 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Bent Tiger I've previously dealt with this subject and taken some heat on it.? From a legal perspective, as a general rule, the vin plate defines the car.? Normally this will be attached to the cowl such that the cowl defines the car.? Still, I'm familiar with (and have even assisted in titling) persons who have bought and "restored" shells/rust buckets/totals through partnering two such vehicles.??Invariably, the one with the most valuable vin plate receives the title. In cases such as the bent?Tiger, a?rebody?from a solid Alpine would result in a Tiger.? Additionally, when the two?Tigers are paired, obviously the resulting car?is a Tiger.? For an example of how this works, a sample application for a salvage title can be found at: http://www.arkansas.gov/dfa/motor_vehicle/documents/aff_rec_dmv.pdf The heirarchy can be seen from the form with, essentially, the cowl first and the frame second.? There is nothing on the form that requires the vehicle with the majority of the parts being the surviving vehicle.? Note that this can result in multiple cars sharing the same vin as well.? This is not uncommon amongst?Corvettes, and is even seen in at least one Tiger.??On Norm's site, for example, a dual vin is referenced for an MK1A. As to how I would view the particular car, I would view it as a true Tiger two steps from original.? There is obviously value in originality.? The only way to determine this factor is?provenence.? As to how the community would view the car, I'm still a bit of an outsider, but clearly, more than many other communities, the originality of the build and the uninterrupted history of the car is paramount in the Tiger community.? It seems that a rebuilt Tiger is obviously acceptable in the community.? The problem is in the car's lesser sister, and staying away from all things Alpine is the best bet for assuring acceptance. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 15 11:03:05 2009 From: "Fabbro" To: Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:03:21 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Bent Tiger The Vegas guy is right. It is the same here in our location. Just because a person uses an Alpine fender, trunk floor, door or a 302 block instead of the original 260/289 will not make it any thing but a Tiger. But if the VIN number has been tampered with, remover and put back on with that car is legally considered scrap. This is to keep people from cloning a car and to protect the car manufactures. If this were not the case then over time we would have more Tiger on the road than that were built from VIN tampering. Or at the very least the same amount of cars that were built back in the 60s. If you have a Tiger do not paint or remove your VIN tag for paint for the reasons stated. JAL number no problem it is not part of the legal title of the car (Look on your title if it is not there then you can pull it if required). I'm not a lawyer but I believe that this falls in to the category of basic common sense. I have in the past looked for a Tiger and saw the VIN tag removed painted under and put back on. I asked the guy is this an Alpine clone or a Tiger? He said "A Tiger of course". Knowing were to look (Pan hard area, tunnel ECT) I said "No thanks". Buyer beware they are out there. Just look at the VIN tag for F&%King around with then you have a real Tiger with the attached value as original or not. Kim _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 15 11:13:44 2009 From: "Ross" To: "'Fabbro'" , Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:14:49 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bent Tiger Kim, Actually, the statements below are not completely accurate. The best way to insure that the body shell came off the Jensen line is to have the car TAC'd. Or have a TAC inspector look it over if in doubt about its authenticity. A single inspector cannot TAC the car but his knowledge might keep someone from making a mistake. Ross The Vegas guy is right. It is the same here in our location. Just because a person uses an Alpine fender, trunk floor, door or a 302 block instead of the original 260/289 will not make it any thing but a Tiger. But if the VIN number has been tampered with, remover and put back on with that car is legally considered scrap. This is to keep people from cloning a car and to protect the car manufactures. If this were not the case then over time we would have more Tiger on the road than that were built from VIN tampering. Or at the very least the same amount of cars that were built back in the 60s. If you have a Tiger do not paint or remove your VIN tag for paint for the reasons stated. JAL number no problem it is not part of the legal title of the car (Look on your title if it is not there then you can pull it if required). I'm not a lawyer but I believe that this falls in to the category of basic common sense. I have in the past looked for a Tiger and saw the VIN tag removed painted under and put back on. I asked the guy is this an Alpine clone or a Tiger? He said "A Tiger of course". Knowing were to look (Pan hard area, tunnel ECT) I said "No thanks". Buyer beware they are out there. Just look at the VIN tag for F&%King around with then you have a real Tiger with the attached value as original or not. Kim _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 15 14:57:51 2009 From: "James E. Pickard" To: Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:58:43 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] heater valve cable routing I'm putting the dash back into the Tiger. Where does the heater valve cable go through the fire wall? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 15 16:07:59 2009 From: spook01@comcast.net To: Ross Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:08:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bent Tiger as i recall, a few years ago the rootes trophy was held by a tac'd Mk 2 that turned out to be a ...fake.B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross" To: "Fabbro" , tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 12:14:49 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bent Tiger Kim, Actually, the statements below are not completely accurate. B The best way to insure that the body shell came off the Jensen line is to have the car TAC'd. Or have a TAC inspector look it over if in doubt about its authenticity. B A single inspector cannot TAC the car but his knowledge might keep someone from making a mistake. Ross The Vegas guy is right. It is the same here in our location. Just because a person uses an Alpine fender, trunk floor, door or a 302 block instead of the original 260/289 will not make it any thing but a Tiger. But if the VIN number has been tampered with, remover and put back on with that car is legally considered scrap. This is to keep people from cloning a car and to protect the car manufactures. If this were not the case then over time we would have more Tiger on the road than that were built from VIN tampering. Or at the very least the same amount of cars that were built back in the 60s. If you have a Tiger do not paint or remove your VIN tag for paint for the reasons stated. JAL number no problem it is not part of the legal title of the car (Look on your title if it is not there then you can pull it if required). I'm not a lawyer but I believe that this falls in to the category of basic common sense. I have in the past looked for a Tiger and saw the VIN tag removed painted under and put back on. I asked the guy is this an Alpine clone or a Tiger? B He said "A Tiger of course". Knowing were to look (Pan hard area, tunnel ECT) I said "No thanks". Buyer beware they are out there. Just look at the VIN tag for F&%King around with then you have a real Tiger with the attached value as original or not. B B Kim Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 15 16:10:58 2009 From: spook01@comcast.net To: Fabbro Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:12:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bent Tiger loads of these cars (real ones)B have had the tags removed and then re attached.B the company that made the original rivets that held the plates on is still in business and sells the odd little rivets by the bag in the uk. just fyi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fabbro" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 12:03:21 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Tigers] B Bent Tiger The Vegas guy is right. It is the same here in our location. Just because a person uses an Alpine fender, trunk floor, door or a 302 block instead of the original 260/289 will not make it any thing but a Tiger. But if the VIN number has been tampered with, remover and put back on with that car is legally considered scrap. This is to keep people from cloning a car and to protect the car manufactures. If this were not the case then over time we would have more Tiger on the road than that were built from VIN tampering. Or at the very least the same amount of cars that were built back in the 60s. If you have a Tiger do not paint or remove your VIN tag for paint for the reasons stated. JAL number no problem it is not part of the legal title of the car (Look on your title if it is not there then you can pull it if required). I'm not a lawyer but I believe that this falls in to the category of basic common sense. I have in the past looked for a Tiger and saw the VIN tag removed painted under and put back on. I asked the guy is this an Alpine clone or a Tiger? B He said "A Tiger of course". Knowing were to look (Pan hard area, tunnel ECT) I said "No thanks". Buyer beware they are out there. Just look at the VIN tag for F&%King around with then you have a real Tiger with the attached value as original or not. B B Kim Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 15 16:28:20 2009 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:28:11 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Glass Backglass for Factory top. We finally finished the tool and have # 1 back glass in Tom Hall's top. We will start making these Next week and will have some ready for shipping the week after. These can be made in different colors with other color laminates. I have to check with the laminators about this on the colors available. I want to keep this as light as possible so we are using 2mm glass with 30 thousandth laminate. The 2mm only comes in clear. We could match the 1/4 glasses to the back in 3mm green, bronze, 2 different gray's. I gotta play with this to see if it is possible(fitting 3mm tempered in 1/4 frames shouldn't be a problem). Will keep the list posted. B382002560 A. LEE FESTICH ALAN AUTO GLASS 599 S. BONNYWOOD PL. BURBANK, CA. 91502 818-845-7300 PHN 818-845-7355 FAX 818-464-5909 CEL AAAGLASSS@AOL.COM _http://alanautoglass.com/_ (http://alanautoglass.com/) _http://s411.photobucket.com/albums/pp195/Lee599/?action=view¤t=TigTop3C ars021.jpg_ (http://s411.photobucket.com/albums/pp195/Lee599/?action=view¤t=TigTop3Cars021.jpg) **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 15 17:30:21 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Thomas Witt , Tiger's Den Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:31:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay "Bent" Sunbeam (other questions) Thom, It is done, and accepted, all the time. I just saw my son's Alpine IV front fender on a Tiger I saw at Woodley. In your case they were both stated to be Tiger's. So repairing either, or both, of them with Alpine body parts would be acceptable. I have seen Tiger's with Chevy engines TAC'd. For convenience and cost, I would pick the rear-ender over the front as it is easier to repair, and has done less damage to structurally critical items. I think the criteria would be stated, "It's OK as long as the chassis rolled off the Tiger assembly line." Recall the old Ax story. "This here is the same old ax me granpaw used ta use. 'course it's had 5 new handles and 3 new heads, but it's still the same ol' ax." Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Thomas Witt wrote: > The bent Sunbeam Tiger did NOT make reserve and therefore did not > sell. The high bidder offered $3,451.00. > > This car has brought me to ponder; > Say there were two Tigers that were confirmed by TAC. One was hit > hard in the front, and one hit hard in the rear. An enterprising > person bought both and grafted the two good halves together. How > would the Tiger community look at this car? What VIN/JAL would it > carry? Is it still a "real" Tiger? And perhaps most interesting WHO > would be considered the party/parties to say so? > > Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 15 17:51:50 2009 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: fabbro@shaw.ca, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:53:44 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bent Tiger While I do not agree with the premise of 'its a Tiger only if the VIN is pop riveted otherwise its not.' What about those long term owners who had their care repainted before pop rivets were an issue. Some had their VIN plate dissolve when the body was dipped. My car was repainted by two PO's ago in 1968 and the plate was removed and attached screws. My car has been TAC'd. I can trace its history back to the original owner. The BMV of IL and IN never even looked at the rivets. Just the number. Petty bureaucratic rules are getting in the way. To hell with tem. Dave **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 15 18:08:32 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: DJoh797014@aol.com Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:09:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bent Tiger Dave, and Tigers, Here in the "Land of Fruits and Nuts" the CA State law requires approval before a body shop can remove the VIN form a car. They do issue this approval to body shops, and require state inspection afterwards, for the intent to prevent identification change for stolen cars, and other ownership issues. So, here at least, it can legally be done. Never had the experience so can't describe the details, but my "RED TOI" kit car used a VW chassis and I was questioned about whether a VIN removal or swap needed CHP approval. Since, in those days, the VIN was stamped on the chassis (as pre-war Fords were), and it was not necessary. Even helped avoid later emissions rules. Hot rods were well known for cutting the "Serial Number" off the old Ford Chassis, and welding it on the hot-rod chassis for a very long time. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com DJoh797014@aol.com wrote: > While I do not agree with the premise of 'its a Tiger only if the VIN is pop > riveted > otherwise its not.' What about those long term owners who had their care > repainted before pop rivets were an issue. Some had their VIN plate dissolve > when the body was dipped. My car was repainted by two PO's ago in 1968 > and the plate was removed and attached screws. My car has been TAC'd. > I can trace its history back to the original owner. The BMV of IL and IN > never > even looked at the rivets. Just the number. Petty bureaucratic rules are > getting in the way. To hell with tem. > > Dave _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 15 18:21:37 2009 From: THEO SMIT To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:21:58 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Glass Backglass for Factory top. Hi Lee, Would it be possible to get a defroster pattern laid onto the glass? Up in our neck of the woods that would be handy... Cheers, Theo ----- Original Message ----- From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009 4:28 pm Subject: [Tigers] Glass Backglass for Factory top. To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net > We finally finished the tool and have # 1 back glass in Tom > Hall's top. We > will start making these Next week and will have some ready for > shipping the > week after. These can be made in different colors with > other color laminates. I > have to check with the laminators about this on the colors > available. I want > to keep this as light as possible so we are using 2mm > glass with 30 > thousandth laminate. The 2mm only comes in clear. We could > match the 1/4 glasses to > the back in 3mm green, bronze, 2 different gray's. I gotta > play with this to > see if it is possible(fitting 3mm tempered in 1/4 frames > shouldn't be a > problem). Will keep the list posted. > > B382002560 > > A. LEE FESTICH > ALAN AUTO GLASS > 599 S. 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Check out the 5 safest > jobs in a > recession. > (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job- > industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002)________________________________________ _______ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 17 11:56:55 2009 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:57:12 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Lucas Smoke Refill Kit Revisit Most of you all have seen or even participated in the original eBay auction for this NOS Lucas Smoke Refill Kit. This particular website, unlike previous sites, has captured all of the questions and responses with the permission of the originator of this auction. This is still one of the funniest (and true) things I have seen concerning our beloved LBCs. Enjoy! Bugz http://www3.telus.net/bc_triumph_registry/smoke.htm _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 17 17:42:12 2009 From: "Shaun Laughy" To: Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:43:11 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Dana 44/Salisbury Hi, folks. I know there has been discussion on the differences between the original Salisbury diff and the Dana 44, and I have conducted a search, but I can't find the specific answer I am looking for. My apologies if this is a repeat. Currently, my Tiger has 3.31 gears with LSD, and a wide-ratio Toploader. Things are just a bit too busy at local highway speeds, so I would like to bring the revs down a notch or two. Ideally, I would like to return to 2.88s, but these are no longer available new, and I would prefer not to go with used gears. As a result, I am planning on switching to 3.07s, and am pretty confident that I will be satisfied with the results. Now to my question: >From what I understand, the current gears and LSD are standard Dana 44, so I assume that they must have been adapted to the Salisbury diff. I recall reading that there are minor differences in bolt sizes, and that there are stepped bolts to overcome the differences, but what I don't know is under which circumstances these special bolts are required. I would assume that the new 3.07s will just swap directly into place of the 3.31s, but I would like the shop to replace the bolts at the same time, and they want to have them ordered in advance, particularly if they are special and may take some time to order in. Can anyone tell me whether or not I will need these and, if so, where I can get them? Thanks, Shaun _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 17 19:50:15 2009 From: "Shaun Laughy" To: Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:51:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dana 44/Salisbury Thanks, Mayf. I would definitely prefer 2.88s, but haven't found any readily available. Also, I am a bit concerned about installing a used gear set. Although it would likely be fine, I wouldn't want to find myself needing to do another swap if it didn't turn out well. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: drmayf [mailto:drmayf@mayfco.com] Sent: March 17, 2009 7:57 PM To: Shaun Laughy Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dana 44/Salisbury Shaun, going to 3.07 will only reduce you rpm by just a shade over 9%. So If you have been cruising along the interstate at 2700 rpm then you might expect a drop down to around 2450 rpm. You will get a better answer than wha I am about to give you but the bottom line is is that the LSD has a different bolt shank diameter than used on the 2.88 gear set. I am curious as to why you do not consider the 2.88 used. Our cars are lightly loaded so there is no real stress on them and so wear, if maintained should be very little. Heck, try a used set then if you do not like them, go to the 3.07 ratio. mayf Shaun Laughy wrote: >Hi, folks. > >I know there has been discussion on the differences between the >original Salisbury diff and the Dana 44, and I have conducted a search, >but I can't find the specific answer I am looking for. My apologies if >this is a repeat. > >Currently, my Tiger has 3.31 gears with LSD, and a wide-ratio >Toploader. Things are just a bit too busy at local highway speeds, so I >would like to bring the revs down a notch or two. Ideally, I would >like to return to 2.88s, but these are no longer available new, and I >would prefer not to go with used gears. As a result, I am planning on >switching to 3.07s, and am pretty confident that I will be satisfied >with the results. Now to my question: > >>From what I understand, the current gears and LSD are standard Dana >>44, >so I assume that they must have been adapted to the Salisbury diff. I >recall reading that there are minor differences in bolt sizes, and that >there are stepped bolts to overcome the differences, but what I don't >know is under which circumstances these special bolts are required. I >would assume that the new 3.07s will just swap directly into place of >the 3.31s, but I would like the shop to replace the bolts at the same >time, and they want to have them ordered in advance, particularly if >they are special and may take some time to order in. Can anyone tell >me whether or not I will need these and, if so, where I can get them? > >Thanks, >Shaun >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 17 19:51:21 2009 From: "Shaun Laughy" To: Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:52:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dana 44/Salisbury Hi, Tom. That's the exact information I was looking for: My ring gear and carrier are both from the US, so standard 3/8 bolts should be fine. Thanks for the reminder on rebuilding the diff -- this is definitely something that will be done at the same time. Also, I would really like to use one of your T5 conversion kits, but just can't afford the investment right now. That's definitely the hot setup, though. Thanks, Shaun ----- -----Original Message----- From: Tom Hall [mailto:modtiger@comcast.net] Sent: March 17, 2009 8:37 PM To: Shaun Laughy Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dana 44/Salisbury At 04:43 PM 3/17/2009, you wrote: Hi, folks. I know there has been discussion on the differences between the original Salisbury diff and the Dana 44, and I have conducted a search, but I can't find the specific answer I am looking for. My apologies if this is a repeat. Currently, my Tiger has 3.31 gears with LSD, and a wide-ratio Toploader. Things are just a bit too busy at local highway speeds, so I would like to bring the revs down a notch or two. Ideally, I would like to return to 2.88s, but these are no longer available new, and I would prefer not to go with used gears. As a result, I am planning on switching to 3.07s, and am pretty confident that I will be satisfied with the results. Now to my question: >From what I understand, the current gears and LSD are standard Dana 44, so I assume that they must have been adapted to the Salisbury diff. I recall reading that there are minor differences in bolt sizes, and that there are stepped bolts to overcome the differences, but what I don't know is under which circumstances these special bolts are required. I would assume that the new 3.07s will just swap directly into place of the 3.31s, but I would like the shop to replace the bolts at the same time, and they want to have them ordered in advance, particularly if they are special and may take some time to order in. Can anyone tell me whether or not I will need these and, if so, where I can get them? The ring gear bolts in the Salisbury OEM 2.88 gear and carrier were 7/16 diameter. The holes in all US LSD carriers are 3/8 dia. Therefore your ring gears should simply interchange. This is also the time to replace all bearings and rebuild the posi unit by replacing the internal clutches. You might also consider using one of my 5 speed kits to get the noise and RPM's down at highway speeds. Best of both worlds. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 18 11:09:37 2009 From: stubrennan@comcast.net To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Wheel failure - Non Tiger Content I took the leaking tire off my Explorer up to the local shop for a repair, and was surprised by what they found.B The steel wheel was leaking, not the tire.B Some combination of rust (I'm near Boston) and maybe metal fatigue or a manufacturing problem caused a leak to form right where the central web is welded to the rim.B And the guy said he sees this all the time on the local police cruisers, also Fords. My Explorer is 10 years old, street driven, no off road crazyness, but we're up here in the snow/rust belt.B It used to be that steel wheels were regarded as the rugged ones, and alloys were pretty but delicate.B Maybe that's changing?B Has anyone else seen signs of weakness in recent steel wheels, Ford or anybody else? Needless to say,B all 4B wheels are being replaced tomorrow. Stu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 18 12:09:04 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: stubrennan@comcast.net, Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wheel failure - Non Tiger Content Never seen it on steel wheels, but seen porous castings on a older chevy I had. 2 rims leaked from day one, and the dumb deal never could find the leak. Out of warranty after a new set of tires were put on, the leaks were found. Porosity in the castings... Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "stubrennan@comcast.net" To: Tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:10:29 AM Subject: [Tigers] Wheel failure - Non Tiger Content I took the leaking tire off my Explorer up to the local shop for a repair, and was surprised by what they found.B The steel wheel was leaking, not the tire.B Some combination of rust (I'm near Boston) and maybe metal fatigue or a manufacturing problem caused a leak to form right where the central web is welded to the rim.B And the guy said he sees this all the time on the local police cruisers, also Fords. My Explorer is 10 years old, street driven, no off road crazyness, but we're up here in the snow/rust belt.B It used to be that steel wheels were regarded as the rugged ones, and alloys were pretty but delicate.B Maybe that's changing?B Has anyone else seen signs of weakness in recent steel wheels, Ford or anybody else? Needless to say,B all 4B wheels are being replaced tomorrow. Stu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 18 13:04:14 2009 From: Dave Munroe To: Sandy Ganz , stubrennan@comcast.net, Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:05:04 -0300 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wheel failure - Non Tiger Content Sandy; Up here in Nova Scotia, the rust capital of the world, this is a common occurrence. Steel wheels on a street car are good for about 10 -12 years before the rot sets in. My cousin had three wheels go at the same time on a Toyota this winter. Car is 12 years old. It usually happens to the rim area where the tire bead seats. The rust gets into the surface, the tire shop wire brushes it off, and if the pits are deep enough, the wheel won't hold air and is scrap. But left coasters will know nothing of this challenge! We have our crosses to bear here on the east coast. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wheel failure - Non Tiger Content > Never seen it on steel wheels, but seen porous castings on a older chevy I > had. 2 rims leaked from day one, and the dumb deal never could find the > leak. > Out of warranty after a new set of tires were put on, the leaks were > found. > Porosity in the castings... > > Sandy > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: > "stubrennan@comcast.net" > To: Tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:10:29 AM > Subject: [Tigers] Wheel failure - > Non Tiger Content > > I took the leaking tire off my Explorer up to the local > shop for a repair, and > was surprised by what they found.B The steel wheel was > leaking, not the > tire.B Some combination of rust (I'm near Boston) and maybe > metal fatigue or > a manufacturing problem caused a leak to form right where the > central web is > welded to the rim.B And the guy said he sees this all the time > on the local > police cruisers, also Fords. > > > > My Explorer is 10 years old, > street driven, no off road crazyness, but we're > up here in the snow/rust > belt.B It used to be that steel wheels were regarded > as the rugged ones, and > alloys were pretty but delicate.B Maybe that's > changing?B Has anyone else > seen signs of weakness in recent steel wheels, > Ford or anybody else? > Needless to say,B all 4B wheels are being replaced tomorrow. > > > > Stu > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 18 14:43:24 2009 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:44:18 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Shift Lever for Mk1A Group, Anyone have a LHD tall shift lever they would like to part with? The one I have on B382001465 is twisted away from the driver so either it is for a RHD car or someone got cute with a big pipe wrench. Please reply off-list. Thanks, Bugz _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 18 16:05:57 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Rense, Mark \(GE Indust, ConsInd\)'" , Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:06:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shift Lever for Mk1A Bugz Have you checked to make sure that the shifter is secured properly at the linkage? It might be possible for the shaft to twist in the base.(?) I had not even thought about there being a RHD Shifter until I looked a the parts manual. 6100663 - C4JZ-7202-C for RHD These are probably the short shifter Ford part numbers but not sure. 6100016 - C4JZ-7202-A for LHD From Pub 6601131, Jan 1965 Pub 66001334, Jan 1967 states that 6100016 is Superseded by 6100663 so that really makes it confusing. Anyone have some better information about the shifters? Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:44 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Shift Lever for Mk1A Group, Anyone have a LHD tall shift lever they would like to part with? The one I have on B382001465 is twisted away from the driver so either it is for a RHD car or someone got cute with a big pipe wrench. Please reply off-list. Thanks, Bugz No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.18/2008 - Release Date: 03/18/09 07:17:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 18 16:34:39 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: " Mark \(GE Indust ConsInd\)''Rense" , Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shift Lever for Mk1A Ive never seen a rhd shifter but all stock, short or long shifters are straight enough to work as a rhd or lhd. Im wondering if the T-handle is square to the dash or that one bolt is out allowing the shifter to rotate- perhaps the bolt might be broken and the shift lever is as made. I would be interested to know if it is bent etc. and OR if there is a lhd vs. a rhd shift lever. TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 18 17:13:13 2009 From: michael king To: Tony Somebody Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:14:08 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shift Lever for Mk1A Doesnt the BON have all the shifters next to each other in a picture? -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 18 17:51:45 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'michael king'" , "'Tony Somebody'" Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:52:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shift Lever for Mk1A Michael TBON on page 165 shows 3 shifters together; the T-10 shifter, the Ford short shifter and the Ford long shifter. It does not distinguish for the RHD shifter which is listed in the Rootes Parts Lists. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/7-GF-GearboxUni t.pdf Page GF3, part # B92 listing both the RHD shifter and the LHD shifter. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: michael king [mailto:michael.s.king@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:14 PM To: Tony Somebody Cc: Mark (GE Indust ConsInd)''Rense; tigers@autox.team.net; rfraser@bluefrog.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shift Lever for Mk1A Doesnt the BON have all the shifters next to each other in a picture? -- Regards Michael King No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.18/2008 - Release Date: 03/18/09 07:17:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 18 18:09:40 2009 From: "Jim" To: , "'michael king'" , Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:10:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shift Lever for Mk1A ...from the parts list.. Rootes part# 6100663 Ford part# C4JZ-7202-C Lever c/w grommet-Gearshift, R.H.D. Rootes part# 6100016 Ford part# C4JZ-7202-A Lever c/w grommet-Gearshift, L.H.D. I have a 'long' shift lever here that you can have... but it's been in a fire and the reverse lockout is kinda melted out of it ...would need rechroming... but the price is right... It came out of a very rare car as the vin# started with PHxxxxx Jim -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: March 18, 2009 4:52 PM To: 'michael king'; 'Tony Somebody' Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shift Lever for Mk1A Michael TBON on page 165 shows 3 shifters together; the T-10 shifter, the Ford short shifter and the Ford long shifter. It does not distinguish for the RHD shifter which is listed in the Rootes Parts Lists. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/7-GF-GearboxUni t.pdf Page GF3, part # B92 listing both the RHD shifter and the LHD shifter. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: michael king [mailto:michael.s.king@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:14 PM To: Tony Somebody Cc: Mark (GE Indust ConsInd)''Rense; tigers@autox.team.net; rfraser@bluefrog.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shift Lever for Mk1A Doesnt the BON have all the shifters next to each other in a picture? -- Regards Michael King No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.18/2008 - Release Date: 03/18/09 07:17:00 Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 19 09:51:10 2009 From: "Jerry" To: Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:52:09 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Got to have one of these... A Tiger friend of mine sent me this, thought Ibd send it along to the rest of you. There IS hope for all of us trying to find impossible parts. That is if cost isnbt a problem. Jerry _____ From: Rob [mailto:racetig@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:44 PM To: rumblewagen@gmail.com; mdfortyford@verizon.net; BCLong7@verizon.net; CobraDan@aol.com; danollarson@comcast.net; dino@fracpump.com; don.atkinson06@gmail.com; HIRSCHJR@AOL.COM; JB55@msn.com; molitormartin@yahoo.com; jimikalico@hotmail.com; jjordan@ipi-atlanta.com; cowcatcher@Verizon.net; Lford_f100@yahoo.com; leochase@midrivers.com; Mario.A.Roy@USCG.Mil; MASchroetke@drhorton.com; mike.r.spencer@lmco.com; Froghanson@aol.com; neubee@mho.com; jcmc2006@suddenlink.net; Bikeme47@hotmail.com; bigblok.camaro@verizon.net Subject: Got to have one of these... Absolutely amazing... Nothing more I can say... Rob o;? OK, technology is blowing by me TOO FAST. Check this YouTube out, car and machinist buffs, and place your orders....Unbelievable....If any of you purchase this, let me know so I can borrow sometime! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggvzcGdZsTc _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 19 10:06:51 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Jerry" , Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:07:50 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] FW: Got to have one of these... Way cool... In that vein, some of you might be familiar with the RepRap machine that's being developed by a group of folks on the web: http://www.reprap.org/bin/view/Main/WebHome The vision here is to create a machine that can make (at least) all its own parts. Currently they're apparently at about 60%, not counting nuts and bolts. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry > Sent: March 19, 2009 9:52 AM > To: TIGERS@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] FW: Got to have one of these... > > A Tiger friend of mine sent me this, thought Ibd send it > along to the rest of you. > > > > There IS hope for all of us trying to find impossible parts. > That is if cost isnbt a problem. > > > > Jerry > > > > _____ > > From: Rob [mailto:racetig@verizon.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:44 PM > To: rumblewagen@gmail.com; mdfortyford@verizon.net; > BCLong7@verizon.net; CobraDan@aol.com; > danollarson@comcast.net; dino@fracpump.com; > don.atkinson06@gmail.com; HIRSCHJR@AOL.COM; JB55@msn.com; > molitormartin@yahoo.com; jimikalico@hotmail.com; > jjordan@ipi-atlanta.com; cowcatcher@Verizon.net; > Lford_f100@yahoo.com; leochase@midrivers.com; > Mario.A.Roy@USCG.Mil; MASchroetke@drhorton.com; > mike.r.spencer@lmco.com; Froghanson@aol.com; neubee@mho.com; > jcmc2006@suddenlink.net; Bikeme47@hotmail.com; > bigblok.camaro@verizon.net > Subject: Got to have one of these... > > > > Absolutely amazing... Nothing more I can say... > Rob > > o;? OK, technology is blowing by me TOO FAST. Check this > YouTube out, car and machinist buffs, and place your > orders....Unbelievable....If any of you purchase this, let me > know so I can borrow sometime! > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggvzcGdZsTc > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 19 11:26:35 2009 From: "sfranklin tds.net" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:27:23 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop headliner installation I bought a used hardtop for my MK II about ten years ago and I am finally getting down to it's restoration(more like resurrection), and I had a question about the headliner installation. I have the headliner bows sorted out, but I'm not sure about the front fixing of the headliner.Is there supposed to be a fixing strap of some sort to hold the front of the headliner to the top? Thanks so much Steve Franklin 67 MK II B382100408r _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 19 12:27:17 2009 From: Bill Waite To: "sfranklin tds.net" Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hardtop headliner installation Hi Steve, I got you beat: it took me over 20 years before I restored the hardtop for my Mark II! There is a metal strip about 1 1/4 inches wide and the width of the hardtop (more or less straight in the center section, curved on each end) that the headliner folds over, then it (the metal strip) is riveted to the hardtop. I've attached a picture that shows the center section of the strip at the time I was gluing the headliner to it. In my experience installing the headliner, getting that part "right" (positioning the material at the right point on the metal strip before riveting) was the most demanding part of the process. I have another hardtop and have that piece off the top... I could find it and send a pic of the entire piece if you need it. If you look at the front edge of the hardtop (e.g. point where it meets up the the windshield top) you should see the holes where the rivets go. Hope you are not missing the piece I am talking about. If you are, you could probably make one. Using my spare as a guide, I could send you a paper template (tracing) of the strip. Making one out of 20 gauge sheet metal would not be a perfect duplicate, but I believe it would work for the intended purpose. Regards, Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI --- On Thu, 3/19/09, sfranklin tds.net wrote: From: sfranklin tds.net Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop headliner installation To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 1:27 PM I bought a used hardtop for my MK II about ten years ago and I am finally getting down to it's restoration(more like resurrection), and I had a question about the headliner installation. I have the headliner bows sorted out, but I'm not sure about the front fixing of the headliner.Is there supposed to be a fixing strap of some sort to hold the front of the headliner to the top? Thanks so much Steve Franklin 67 MK II B382100408r Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_5094.JPG.JPG] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 19 13:17:27 2009 From: "un-cole-a@juno.com" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:16:39 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Weekend in Conn. Will be in Waterbury, CT this weekend, any Tiger owners in the area? ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmTS3StI69Nowv8mksVPv1mFq 7Yg7FFmIHIyHpbunXzsByID284/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 19 15:24:38 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:25:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hardtop headliner installation Steve F., > > There are a lot of owner's hard top experiences, including replacing > headliner, in TigersUnited.com . > > Larry Paulick organized these 1998 comments, including mine. They are > probably just as applicable now. > > http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-body6.asp > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > sfranklin tds.net wrote: >> I bought a used hardtop for my MK II about ten years ago and I am >> finally >> getting down to it's restoration(more like resurrection), and I had a >> question about the headliner installation. I have the headliner bows >> sorted >> out, but I'm not sure about the front fixing of the headliner.Is there >> supposed to be a fixing strap of some sort to hold the front of the >> headliner to the top? >> >> Thanks so much >> Steve Franklin >> 67 MK II B382100408 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 20 08:09:23 2009 From: Paul R Sheahan To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 07:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Jeff Cushing I was just informed by Jan Harde that Tiger owner Jeff Cushing has passed away. Many of us purchased parts and apparel from Jeff at his Tiger Technology business and remember him as long time Tiger enthusiast. I am sure you will join me in sending condolences to his family. Paul Paul R Sheahan _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 20 08:25:31 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: , Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:26:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Jeff Cushing So sorry to hear that. Duke -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul R Sheahan Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 09:10 To: tigers@autox.team.net Cc: Jan Sven-Erik Harde Subject: [Tigers] Jeff Cushing I was just informed by Jan Harde that Tiger owner Jeff Cushing has passed away. Many of us purchased parts and apparel from Jeff at his Tiger Technology business and remember him as long time Tiger enthusiast. I am sure you will join me in sending condolences to his family. Paul Paul R Sheahan Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 20 08:54:10 2009 From: "Andy Walker" To: , Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:55:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Jeff Cushing Terrible news. Our thoughts and prayers are with his family. Andy & Lisa Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul R Sheahan" To: Cc: "Jan Sven-Erik Harde" Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: [Tigers] Jeff Cushing >I was just informed by Jan Harde that Tiger owner Jeff Cushing has passed > away. Many of us purchased parts and apparel from Jeff at his Tiger > Technology business and remember him as long time Tiger enthusiast. > I am sure you will join me in sending condolences to his family. > > Paul > Paul R Sheahan > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 20 13:02:02 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: sunbeamtiger@prodigy.net Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:03:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Jeff Cushing Thanks, Paul, for the information on Jeff - and on Jan as well. I knew Jeff, and purchased a carbon-fiber LAT hood from him. Good to hear from you, Jan. Hope things are going well for you. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Paul R Sheahan wrote: > I was just informed by Jan Harde that Tiger owner Jeff Cushing has passed > away. Many of us purchased parts and apparel from Jeff at his Tiger > Technology business and remember him as long time Tiger enthusiast. > I am sure you will join me in sending condolences to his family. > > Paul > Paul R Sheahan _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 20 16:08:55 2009 From: "Jerry and Marlene VanderPool" To: , Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:09:45 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Jeff Cushing Our Condolences to the Family and Tiger members. Jeff will be sorely missed. Jerry and Marlene. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul R Sheahan" To: Cc: "Jan Sven-Erik Harde" Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 7:10 AM Subject: [Tigers] Jeff Cushing >I was just informed by Jan Harde that Tiger owner Jeff Cushing has passed > away. Many of us purchased parts and apparel from Jeff at his Tiger > Technology business and remember him as long time Tiger enthusiast. > I am sure you will join me in sending condolences to his family. > > Paul > Paul R Sheahan > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 20 17:02:15 2009 From: Rob Bernardino To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:03:04 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Not Tiger - Truth In 24 If you like endurance racing, you will love this movie. Premiering tonight at 8PM on ESPN - Eastern time. Rob http://www.truthin24.com/#/the_story/ Rob in CT 1966 Mk1A Tiger B382000262 LRXFE JAL660245 Color Code 39: Carnival Red _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 20 17:18:27 2009 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:19:16 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Big Dealer is Watching http://www.righttorepair.org/landing/ **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 21 22:31:47 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: New technology Extremely cool PA This was fwd. to me by another Tiger nut. It is the deal that Theo presented recently, I think. Jay Leno is doing a build up and I thought Theo and the rest of the gang would like to see the clip. Pretty neat Theo. My question is. "Does everyone want to chip in and invest in this new tecknowledge"? We could all have the parts we need from now on. Mk2 grills and headlight rims. Even in plastic, they might work after paint was applied and thats just a start. Enjoy. TtT #yiv2024542682 #yiv451737752 DIV { MARGIN:0px;} Subject: New technology Extremely cool PA -------If you are into old things; this looks like the savior of many old things that you can no longer find parts for. With something like this we can keep planes flying forever. Check this out. You may need this some day. This is pretty amazing information. Check this out---Rare parts manufacturing http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/498ebd00a62edaa0/47fe70d4555df05a/9 e46bd46/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c81 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 22 07:18:23 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: "'Tony Somebody'" , "'Beamclub'" Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 08:19:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: New technology Extremely cool PA Where would this equipment be set up? Who would run it? Who decides what is produced? Duke -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 23:32 To: Beamclub Subject: [Tigers] Fw: New technology Extremely cool PA This was fwd. to me by another Tiger nut. It is the deal that Theo presented recently, I think. Jay Leno is doing a build up and I thought Theo and the rest of the gang would like to see the clip. Pretty neat Theo. My question is. "Does everyone want to chip in and invest in this new tecknowledge"? We could all have the parts we need from now on. Mk2 grills and headlight rims. Even in plastic, they might work after paint was applied and thats just a start. Enjoy. TtT #yiv2024542682 #yiv451737752 DIV { MARGIN:0px;} Subject: New technology Extremely cool PA -------If you are into old things; this looks like the savior of many old things that you can no longer find parts for. With something like this we can keep planes flying forever. Check this out. You may need this some day. This is pretty amazing information. Check this out---Rare parts manufacturing http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/498ebd00a62edaa0/47fe70d4555df05a/ 9 e46bd46/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c81 Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 22 10:37:43 2009 From: deiland1@elp.rr.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] From deiland1@elp.rr.com - 1991 Alfa Romeo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 22 11:27:14 2009 From: To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:27:58 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Non-Tiger Selling my Alfa Romeo Spider Sorry if this posting is inappropriate but I wanted to give my car friends a chance before I list this for sale. I'm placing my 1991 Alfa Romeo Spider Veloce up for sale. I just have too many cars. I just purchased a MINI Cooper S and parked the Alfa in my garage with my Jensen Healey. My Alfa is white with tan interior and tan convertible top. I also have the tan top cover that will go with the car. This car has been a daily driver for my son who drove it to school. This car has run trouble free since I have owned it. I paid for a carfax when I purchased the car and the car came back clean. To my knowledge this car is accident free and rust free. Car is located in El Paso, Texas. If interested please send all questions off list. Photos available. Thanks, Dan Eiland _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 22 12:08:45 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: RE: Fw: New technology Extremely cool PA --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: RE: [Tigers] Fw: New technology Extremely cool PA To: "Samouce's" Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 1:04 PM Duke- I would have no idea what answers would apply to your questions. The cost might be prohibitive to the thought. I would vote for Theo as, in my opinion, he is as sharp a member we have but Im certain he is one of several. I want excluded tho. I really didnt think anyone would consider the investment but perhaps the cost could be investigated. TtT --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Samouce's wrote: From: Samouce's Subject: RE: [Tigers] Fw: New technology Extremely cool PA To: "'Tony Somebody'" , "'Beamclub'" Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 8:19 AM Where would this equipment be set up? Who would run it? Who decides what is produced? Duke looks like the savior of many old things that you can no longer find parts for. With something like this we can keep planes flying forever. Check this out. You may need this some day. This is pretty amazing information. Check this out---Rare parts manufacturing http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/498ebd00a62edaa0/47fe70d4555df05a/ 9 e46bd46/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c81 Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 22 12:19:39 2009 From: "Jim" To: "'Tony Somebody'" , "'Beamclub'" Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:20:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: RE: Fw: New technology Extremely cool PA Looking at the costs... the 3-D scanner is not too bad @ $3000 ... but the 'printers' range from about $15k-$30k !! Yikes ! If there was a demand for a certain part, I could see a club like C.A.T. taking one to someone that has the equipment and paying for a part to be reproduced...then having a mold made and casting a quantity. Hard to say if the cost/selling price would be justified . It sure is an interesting technology to reproduce intricate obsolete parts, though... Jim -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody Sent: March 22, 2009 11:05 AM To: Beamclub Subject: [Tigers] Fw: RE: Fw: New technology Extremely cool PA --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: RE: [Tigers] Fw: New technology Extremely cool PA To: "Samouce's" Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 1:04 PM Duke- I would have no idea what answers would apply to your questions. The cost might be prohibitive to the thought. I would vote for Theo as, in my opinion, he is as sharp a member we have but Im certain he is one of several. I want excluded tho. I really didnt think anyone would consider the investment but perhaps the cost could be investigated. TtT --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Samouce's wrote: From: Samouce's Subject: RE: [Tigers] Fw: New technology Extremely cool PA To: "'Tony Somebody'" , "'Beamclub'" Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 8:19 AM Where would this equipment be set up? Who would run it? Who decides what is produced? Duke looks like the savior of many old things that you can no longer find parts for. With something like this we can keep planes flying forever. Check this out. You may need this some day. This is pretty amazing information. Check this out---Rare parts manufacturing http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/498ebd00a62edaa0/47fe70d4555df05a/ 9 e46bd46/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c81 Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 22 12:28:23 2009 From: "James E. Pickard" To: "Jim" , "'Tony Somebody'" , Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:29:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: RE: Fw: New technology Extremely cool PA For that kind of investment, I'd seriously consider setting up a "retirement" business. If the demand is there, after the investment tax credits, it shouldn't take too long to pay off the equipment. Besides, maybe I can get some "bailout" money. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: "'Tony Somebody'" ; "'Beamclub'" Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: RE: Fw: New technology Extremely cool PA > Looking at the costs... the 3-D scanner is not too bad @ $3000 ... but the > 'printers' range from about $15k-$30k !! Yikes ! > If there was a demand for a certain part, I could see a club like C.A.T. > taking one to someone that has the equipment and paying for a part to be > reproduced...then having a mold made and casting a quantity. Hard to say > if > the cost/selling price would be justified . > It sure is an interesting technology to reproduce intricate obsolete > parts, > though... > > Jim > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Tony Somebody > Sent: March 22, 2009 11:05 AM > To: Beamclub > Subject: [Tigers] Fw: RE: Fw: New technology Extremely cool PA > > --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Tony Somebody wrote: > > > From: Tony Somebody > Subject: RE: [Tigers] Fw: New technology Extremely cool PA > To: "Samouce's" > Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 1:04 PM > > > > > > > > Duke- I would have no idea what answers would apply to your questions. The > cost might be prohibitive to the thought. I would vote for Theo as, in my > opinion, he is as sharp a member we have but Im certain he is one of > several. > I want excluded tho. I really didnt think anyone would consider the > investment > but perhaps the cost could be investigated. > TtT > > --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Samouce's wrote: > > > From: Samouce's > Subject: RE: [Tigers] Fw: New technology Extremely cool PA > To: "'Tony Somebody'" , "'Beamclub'" > > Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 8:19 AM > > > Where would this equipment be set up? Who would run it? Who decides what > is produced? > > Duke > looks like the savior of many old > things that you can no longer find parts for. > > > > With something like this we can keep planes flying forever. > > > > Check this out. You may need this some day. > > > > > This is pretty amazing information. > > > Check this out---Rare parts manufacturing > > > > http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/498ebd00a62edaa0/47fe70d4555df05a/ > 9 > e46bd46/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c81 > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 22 12:59:46 2009 From: "Jerry" To: "'Jim'" , "'Tony Somebody'" , Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:00:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: RE: Fw: New technology Extremely cool PA The thing about this technology that I'm having trouble trying to figure out is, how in the world can you make a part that has moving parts that don't require assembly. Like a rotating shaft inside a bushing or a trunnion. That's the part that I was amazed about. Also, I think it would be enough to know just WHERE a place is that can do this type of work if the need arises. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 1:21 PM To: 'Tony Somebody'; 'Beamclub' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: RE: Fw: New technology Extremely cool PA Looking at the costs... the 3-D scanner is not too bad @ $3000 ... but the 'printers' range from about $15k-$30k !! Yikes ! If there was a demand for a certain part, I could see a club like C.A.T. taking one to someone that has the equipment and paying for a part to be reproduced...then having a mold made and casting a quantity. Hard to say if the cost/selling price would be justified . It sure is an interesting technology to reproduce intricate obsolete parts, though... Jim -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody Sent: March 22, 2009 11:05 AM To: Beamclub Subject: [Tigers] Fw: RE: Fw: New technology Extremely cool PA --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: RE: [Tigers] Fw: New technology Extremely cool PA To: "Samouce's" Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 1:04 PM Duke- I would have no idea what answers would apply to your questions. The cost might be prohibitive to the thought. I would vote for Theo as, in my opinion, he is as sharp a member we have but Im certain he is one of several. I want excluded tho. I really didnt think anyone would consider the investment but perhaps the cost could be investigated. TtT --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Samouce's wrote: From: Samouce's Subject: RE: [Tigers] Fw: New technology Extremely cool PA To: "'Tony Somebody'" , "'Beamclub'" Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 8:19 AM Where would this equipment be set up? Who would run it? Who decides what is produced? Duke looks like the savior of many old things that you can no longer find parts for. With something like this we can keep planes flying forever. Check this out. You may need this some day. This is pretty amazing information. Check this out---Rare parts manufacturing http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/498ebd00a62edaa0/47fe70d4555df05a/ 9 e46bd46/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c81 Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 22 13:40:13 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Samouce's Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 12:41:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: New technology Extremely cool PA Duke, Tony, and Tigers, I am confused. Why are there messages about "chipping in to develop the product"? It has already been developed. In fact 3 different devices were shown. It was originally built for the Aerospace and Aircraft industries as funded by the government. As was N.C.E.. Patents are issued, but there is always room for improvement - which will happen if there is demand at the price. At present, it's size limits the capacity for reproduction as well as the size of the product. Cast product is just not as strong as exotic materials, so applicability is limited - unlike Numerically Controlled Equipment. I guess if you are Leno, you can afford to have steam engine Doble parts made. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doble_Steam_Car Cast grills can still be cast much cheaper (with a suitable original for the mold manufacture. The Mk II headlight rims are the same ones used on the S IV late Alpines, the Hillman, and various other Rootes cars, so again obtainable and relatively easy to reproduce the casting with normal equipment. I have even made an investment casting of silver of the MG-TC wire wheel from the great Entex model kit. Of course the original plastic wheel was destroyed in the process. Well, back then these kits were in large supply at Toys-R-Us for $9.00. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Samouce's wrote: > Where would this equipment be set up? Who would run it? Who decides what > is produced? > > Duke _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 22 16:05:52 2009 From: "TM" To: "Tiger Email List" Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:06:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: New technology Extremely cool PA I can think of a few items that go for outragious money on ebay that I would like to see done. How about a Tiger oil pan, air cleaner, lo-rise tiger intake, mold for the rubber door buffer, mold for rubber at the top of the window weather stripping, heck mays aswell do every part. One can only dream. Terry B9471362 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 23 09:00:09 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Tony Somebody" , "Beamclub" Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:00:53 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: RE: Fw: New technology Extremely cool PA Tony, Thanks for the vote of confidence but as others have remarked, it's more effective to find a company that already has the required machinery, and then give them enough business that you get a preferred rate. Besides, I don't have the money or the time to pursue such a venture. Maybe if I won the lottery... Reproducing (or producing) any part that has a fairly low expected total volume, such as the Tiger air cleaner, or a particular manifold, is always going to be expensive because the cost of design and tooling ends up being amortized over a very small number of end parts. The other issue is that each different part requires a different manufacturing process, so even if you can use a universal scanner to produce a computer model, you'll need access to a die stamping machine, or aluminum casting technology, or cast-iron manufacturing capability, to actually make the end product. And to produce parts that others will want to buy, you need to be good at each of those things. Cheers, Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 23 10:59:50 2009 From: Rob Bernardino To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:00:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 3D scanner made entirely from Legos A cheap alternative to what was on the Leno show - perhaps my son will lend me some legos to give this a try. Rob http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/23/3d-scanner-made-entirely-from-legos/ Rob in CT 1966 Mk1A Tiger B382000262 LRXFE JAL660245 Color Code 39: Carnival Red _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 23 13:22:36 2009 From: milano164@comcast.net To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:23:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Prototyping and 3-D scanning These days this is a pretty common processB in product developmentB and should start bleeding over more to "old car part" duplication since the technology and prices have started to come down.B B I haveB access toB both a DimensionB and 3-D systems Stereo lithography machine.B B B You have to know the limitations of the material. since it isn't quite as strong as you'd think but you canB have a metal plating added to theB parts and they become much stronger and heat resistant.B B B However, I'd still be a bit hesitant to think it would last too long in an automotive environment.B B GivenB the materials have been improving significantly over the last couple of years, who knows what will be possible in a few years?B Really, the prototyping machine is exactly that - creating a temporary part so you can verify the fit/function/appearance.B B B OnceB the part is prototyped and fit is verified B becomes a production process as in any normal development process.B B B B Next step would to mill the part up on the NC Mill as explained in the video or to send out for a casting, etc. The little scanner is cool.B Seems like it would be convenient .B B In the past we have sent out parts for scanning to a service bureau like XYZ-RGB http :// www . xyzrgb .com/ B B B B B However, if time is pressing (need it faster than the day or two turn around) IB have placed parts that I am duplicating on a cheap desktop 2-D scanner.B B B Then scaned three or more 2-D views, typically, top,B side, front,B then imported the JPGs into a surface package like Rhino 3-D then build the part in a 3-D tracing method (best description).B B Certainly not the best method but if time (money, too)B is of the essence it works. Now, what they don't tell you.... if you have to have to account for wearB and possiblyB adjustB the part size... then things becomeB a bit more complicated.B B Overall it is a promising process for creating parts. Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 23 19:31:17 2009 From: Bill Waite To: tigers@autox.team.net, "Rense, Mark \(GE Indust, ConsInd\)" Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event - Update! Any later updates on the Midwest TAC event August 1st in Dayton? Regards, Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) wrote: From: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Subject: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event - Update! To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 4:18 PM All, Due to some conflicts, the date for this event has been changed to Saturday, August 1st in Dayton, OH. This will tie into the Dayton British car show that same weekend. We are working on getting the required TAC inspectors (we need a Senior and at least two junior inspectors). John Engle has graciously offered to help with the logistics. Thanks, John! There will be some cost involved besides the $10 TAC Certificate. This will help defray the costs of the TAC inspectors, and it will be split evenly among the participants. So, the more we have, the cheaper it will be! Send me an email if you are interested. So, please save the date of August 1st for this event. Event: TAC Party Place: Tiger Automotive, Dayton, OH Time: August 1st, 2009 Thanks, Bugz B382000991 B382001465 Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 23 22:54:21 2009 From: "Ronak, TP (Timothy)" To: "Tiger News Group List" Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:54:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 3D printer Z-Corporation Guys, I have seen this system for several years and it is in use for rapid prototyping. It is functionally an inkjet printer printing into a layer of catalyzing Powder. The cool part is that it can manufacture complex assemblies like bearings and differential assemblies. I actually have a 'rainbow' colored ford 9 inch axle bearing at home that spins and runs with the balls and race and outer ring. It was printed in one setting at Sema two years ago and the guy gave me one. The material is too soft to be useful at this point and the rpinter from Z-Corporation was $250K and was intended to create prototypes for investment or to test CAD designs. Many people want to hold the item (or a real model) before investing it seems. The way it does the assembly is that it layers the components and simply does not harden the powder were clearance should be. The item is manufactured and all of the non hardened powder is shaken out and you have a working model. Very cool but at this point no one will be making pieces for our cars as the material needs a clearcoat (protective coating) to keep it from wearing or oxidizing but my bearing has amazed many people and still spins just fine with no signs of wear. It would not stand up to any type of severe load and is very brittle. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc. 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 PH: 949-305-5393 Cell: 949-289-3357 FX: 425-955-6268 Email: timothy.ronak@crna.akzonobel.com Personal Email: timronak@cox.net If you received this message in error please inform the sender and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 24 10:33:33 2009 From: "Jerry" To: "'Ronak, TP \(Timothy\)'" , "'Tiger Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:34:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3D printer Z-Corporation Tim, Thank you for explaining how the process works, I now understand the process. It still amazes me how it can determine a few thousands of an inch clearance on something that is behind or not visible from an outside look, unless it's viewed by X-Ray or something like that. Amazing technology to say the least!! Jerry -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ronak, TP (Timothy) Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 11:55 PM To: Tiger News Group List Subject: [Tigers] 3D printer Z-Corporation Guys, I have seen this system for several years and it is in use for rapid prototyping. It is functionally an inkjet printer printing into a layer of catalyzing Powder. The cool part is that it can manufacture complex assemblies like bearings and differential assemblies. I actually have a 'rainbow' colored ford 9 inch axle bearing at home that spins and runs with the balls and race and outer ring. It was printed in one setting at Sema two years ago and the guy gave me one. The material is too soft to be useful at this point and the rpinter from Z-Corporation was $250K and was intended to create prototypes for investment or to test CAD designs. Many people want to hold the item (or a real model) before investing it seems. The way it does the assembly is that it layers the components and simply does not harden the powder were clearance should be. The item is manufactured and all of the non hardened powder is shaken out and you have a working model. Very cool but at this point no one will be making pieces for our cars as the material needs a clearcoat (protective coating) to keep it from wearing or oxidizing but my bearing has amazed many people and still spins just fine with no signs of wear. It would not stand up to any type of severe load and is very brittle. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc. 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 PH: 949-305-5393 Cell: 949-289-3357 FX: 425-955-6268 Email: timothy.ronak@crna.akzonobel.com Personal Email: timronak@cox.net If you received this message in error please inform the sender and delete the message. Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 24 13:58:33 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jerry'" , "'Ronak, TP \(Timothy\)'" Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:57:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3D printer Z-Corporation Jerry It's all in the magic of the CAD program and the designers hands. I have seen parts that one or the other got it wrong. You get a solid part that suddenly has a gap(s), you might call it a deleted area(s)or you get a gap that is filled. This was back in the early 90's when it was a wet process cured by UV light and the CAD programs were not always user friendly. I once got a set of augers that felt wet to the touch, totally unusable. I even left them under UV light for several days and they were still felt soft and sticky. For a joke I took one of the augers which were about 16" long and bent it into a circle thoroughly expecting it to break, it did not. I hung on to them and I could always bend them in a circle even after several years; I bet I still could if they still exist. I'm glad the process is much improved now. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 12:34 PM To: 'Ronak, TP (Timothy)'; 'TigerNews Group List' Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3D printer Z-Corporation Tim, Thank you for explaining how the process works, I now understand the process. It still amazes me how it can determine a few thousands of an inch clearance on something that is behind or not visible from an outside look, unless it's viewed by X-Ray or something like that. Amazing technology to say the least!! Jerry _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 25 14:59:47 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:00:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic: "The front fell off ." While there is no Tiger content, this was a great clip of either an Australian politician, or their version of "SNL". So, at least it has some "English Empire" content. This actual interview is so funny, you'd swear it was a 'Saturday Night Live' skit. , I went to youtube to get it--it's really short and a laugh out loud riot, a must see Subject: "The front fell off ." If you haven't seen this Video already, I think you will find this clip a rollicking funny riot. On August 19th 2007, an oil tanker off the coast of Australia split in two, dumping 20,000 tons of crude oil. Senator Collins, a member of the Australian Parliament, appeared on a TV news program to reassure the Australian public. It just proves... Once a politician, always a politician! Enjoy! */ /* *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us77gjJFIyo *Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 25 22:44:54 2009 From: "James E. Pickard" To: Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 23:45:37 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] door window removal Has anybody documented how to remove the door windows? The shop manual offers little on this. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 25 23:00:41 2009 From: "Fabbro" To: "'James E. Pickard'" , Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:01:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] door window removal You need a one to two pound hammer and a medium weight swing and presto like magic the glass has been removed. I think I saw it in the manual but they used invisible ink. Kim -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James E. Pickard Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 9:46 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] door window removal Has anybody documented how to remove the door windows? The shop manual offers little on this. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3576 (20081102) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 26 05:00:59 2009 From: "Wally Menke" To: "'Steve Laifman'" , "'Tiger's Den'" Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:00:22 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off Topic: "The front fell off ." Hi Steve Good to see this example of Aussie satire has good you in and thinking it's for real. These guy's are John Clarke and Bryan Dawe who do a weekly skit on a current affairs program here that takes the p@#* out of the current weekly political issue. This is the dry (deadpan) Aussie humour at it's best. If you look them up on youtube you'll find a heap more of their skits. They also did a great show called "The Games" which was a send up of the organisers of the 2000 Olympics in Sydney, just brilliant Wally Menke In OZ -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Laifman Sent: Thursday, 26 March 2009 8:01 AM To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic: "The front fell off ." While there is no Tiger content, this was a great clip of either an Australian politician, or their version of "SNL". So, at least it has some "English Empire" content. This actual interview is so funny, you'd swear it was a 'Saturday Night Live' skit. , I went to youtube to get it--it's really short and a laugh out loud riot, a must see Subject: "The front fell off ." If you haven't seen this Video already, I think you will find this clip a rollicking funny riot. On August 19th 2007, an oil tanker off the coast of Australia split in two, dumping 20,000 tons of crude oil. Senator Collins, a member of the Australian Parliament, appeared on a TV news program to reassure the Australian public. It just proves... Once a politician, always a politician! Enjoy! */ /* *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us77gjJFIyo *Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 26 13:12:46 2009 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:13:39 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic: One of My Favorites From YouTube An oldie but a goodie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-ogrMr4lWc Enjoy Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 26 13:31:04 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:30:57 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Top 50 Forgotten Cars While this link is not Tiger related, it should have had some Rootes Group products in it. There's a very high content of British Cars, and a generous sprinkling of French and Italian. It is reputed to the the UK MSN view of 50 "Top" cars in this category, and I remember a lot of them. Some even had good points. As the saying goes: "Give an Englishman a bit of Fiberglass , and he'll do something silly with it!" http://cars.uk.msn.com/Photo_Gallery/Popup_page.aspx?cp-documentid=13982618&dub-gallery-photo-number=1 So, what's on your list? -- Steve __ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 26 14:17:52 2009 From: Bruce Richards To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:18:38 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] work bench Sorry to bomb the list, but I'm sure a few of you will like this. I am going to pick up a bench and cabinet from Sam's this weekend. http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=329601 http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=384394 I know I can build a nice bench, but this one is pretty damn nice. I was trying to think of a way to rig up a quick release for my vise so it wouldn't always be on the bench when I came across this. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/Rembrandt51/reload%20room/vise1.jpg http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3386669 I thought it was a very clean solution to quick mount stuff to your bench. Just FYI Bruce B9470147 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 26 14:27:52 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, Bruce Richards Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:28:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] work bench Great idea for the vise. I am trying to do the same myself. Here is a bench that I built - http://e28-535i.com/upload/GRGwb_1.jpg A couple other pics of my garage - http://e28-535i.com/upload/GRG1_1.jpg http://e28-535i.com/upload/GRG4_1.jpg Duke B382002037 ---- Bruce Richards wrote: > Sorry to bomb the list, but I'm sure a few of you will like this. > > I am going to pick up a bench and cabinet from Sam's this weekend. > http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=329601 > http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=384394 > I know I can build a nice bench, but this one is pretty damn nice. > > > > I was trying to think of a way to rig up a quick release for my vise so it > wouldn't always be on the bench when I came across this. > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/Rembrandt51/reload%20room/vise1.jpg > > http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3386669 > > I thought it was a very clean solution to quick mount stuff to your bench. > Just FYI > > > Bruce > B9470147 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 26 18:36:37 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:37:11 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Does it ever end - in Caifornia Supposedly California legislators are trying to outlaw black (dark) cars as retaining too much heat. Frankly I'd like to see them start be eliminating the black roads first. You know..., set a good example for the rest of use. As the "subject" states, does it ever end??? Tom http://wardsauto.com/commentary/cool_paints_ugly_090324/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 26 19:40:34 2009 From: "Stu Brennan" To: "'Thomas Witt'" , Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:41:23 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Does it ever end - in Caifornia Black Cars: Didn't the Mythbusters take this one on a couple years back? IIRC, they found only a minimal difference in internal temperatures for two cars, one white, one black, sitting in the sun all day. Could this story be related to our proximity to 4/1? Stu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 07:31:24 2009 From: jpars80133@aol.com To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:32:06 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Confused I just saw an old ad for a sunbeam 260 alpine and I was wondering what the differance was with it and a tiger?? I am assuming that it is the same car but tiger was never mentioned. The ad was from a road america program 1964. Any help? thanks Jay _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 07:48:36 2009 From: "Greg Koss" To: Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:49:23 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Confused Alpine 260 is how they were badged in some European countries. The Tiger name was already taken by Mercedes, I think. >>> 3/27/2009 9:32 AM >>> I just saw an old ad for a sunbeam 260 alpine and I was wondering what the differance was with it and a tiger?? I am assuming that it is the same car but tiger was never mentioned. The ad was from a road america program 1964. Any help? thanks Jay Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 08:09:11 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: "jpars80133@aol.com" , "Tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:09:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Confused Jay, eeheeemmm......(throat clearing sound) Every now and then someone asks a question that I think I might know something about. When I got my car, Andy Walker here in Edmond Ok, educated me on this, and then I followed up with some research in addition to better understand.. The "Alpine 260" is what Tigers where called that sold in several European countries that werent exported to the united states. Although they are built as Tigers, and outfitted as Tigers, they didn't say Tiger on them, they actually said "Alpine" on the wings just like the Alpine that we think of normally here with the 4 cyl. My car and Steve Ralsten's to name a couple are originally Alpine 260's...whether or not they are technically "Tigers" in my opinion is a prime candidate for a philosophical debate. In short, the "Tiger" name was under copyright at the time from a couple other companies, Panhard's Tigre in France & Messerschmitt's Tiger from Germany, if I recall. I also have a triumph motorcycle that is called a Tiger...maybe that had something to do with it as well....but in short, VIN's for Alpine 260's will be HROFE's and LROFE's if I understand correctly. There arent a lot of these designations in the states....now that Steve R has bought Carroll's old car, as far as I know I have the only one in Oklahoma. I've never asked Norm but they may or may not be current info. When I bought my car, Norm told me there werent very many on the registry with that designation, but I understand that several more have surfaced in the last few years. I would need to double check, but I believe that other than the script saying "Alpine" rather than "Tiger", that there were some taillight lense differences, and badging differences. I still tell people I have a Tiger...because only a select group of gearheads here in okahomna even know or remember what a Sunbeam Tiger is, but I have never met anyone other than a Tiger owner who knows what an "Alpine 260" is...so for purposes of conversation, I tell people it's a Tiger. Here is a link to catswhiskers tiger club out of the u.k....which I found to be very informative on the subject... http://www.sunbeamtiger.co.uk/catswhiskers/CW68alpine260.htm So, is it a Tiger or not? I would love to hear what the rest of you think on this matter..... Subject: [Tigers] Confused I just saw an old ad for a sunbeam 260 alpine and I was wondering what the differance was with it and a tiger?? I am assuming that it is the same car but tiger was never mentioned. The ad was from a road america program 1964. Any help? thanks Jay _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 08:39:44 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Tigers@autox.team.net, Cullen McCann Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 07:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Confused Cullen- its a Tiger- a real Tiger- well after you have it TACed but Im sure by now you could tell if it was ever an Alpine. Theres no discussion as the car is as you described. A Tiger with Alpine 260 badges as sold in the Uk and perhaps other countries. It has the same vin number syestem, except for the HROFE stamping on the Vin. And thats from what Ive read, been told and seen over the years. Im positive Norm and everyone else sees your car as a Tiger- perhaps worthy of distincson (sp- how did my spellcheck disappear?) by us w/ LRXFE or whatever the vin says. TtT --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Cullen McCann wrote: _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 09:07:38 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:08:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Does it ever end - in Caifornia ---- Stu Brennan wrote: > Black Cars: Didn't the Mythbusters take this one on a couple years > back? IIRC, they found only a minimal difference in internal > temperatures for two cars, one white, one black, sitting in the sun all > day. Could this story be related to our proximity to 4/1? > > Stu Sadly it's not an April Fools joke. Our state government in California is seriously broken. Worst recession in years and our sales tax, income tax were just raised. Our car registrations were doubled. Our air quality regulations have been advanced beyond Federal requirements. At least people getting government checks and illegals won't have to cutback. Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 09:12:11 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: sralsten@ca.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:12:57 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Does it ever end - in Caifornia I think Vermont is pretty bad for the crazy ideas and unbalanced budget, but California scares me. Mark In a message dated 3/27/2009 11:09:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sralsten@ca.rr.com writes: ---- Stu Brennan wrote: > Black Cars: Didn't the Mythbusters take this one on a couple years > back? IIRC, they found only a minimal difference in internal > temperatures for two cars, one white, one black, sitting in the sun all > day. Could this story be related to our proximity to 4/1? > > Stu Sadly it's not an April Fools joke. Our state government in California is seriously broken. Worst recession in years and our sales tax, income tax were just raised. Our car registrations were doubled. Our air quality regulations have been advanced beyond Federal requirements. At least people getting government checks and illegals won't have to cutback. Steve Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Free Credit Report and Score Tracking! Get it Now for $0 at CreditReport.com. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220474599x1201401934/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.creditreport.com%3Fsrc%3Daolemail%26kwd%3Dmlftrtextlin k) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 09:20:49 2009 From: To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:21:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Confused Per recent discussion with Norm, 10 Alpine 260's are in the USA. They are as Tiger as any Tiger but were sold with Alpine script rather than Tiger script on the fenders because of copyright issues. If you read the spec plate on all Tigers that carry one all the cars are called Alpine 260's. The Alpine 260's also carry a Tiger chassis number not an Alpine chassis number The few that were sold in Germany and France carry ONLY the Alpine 260 name. My Alpine 260 now also wears TAC sticker #695. A PO removed the Alpine script and replaced it with Tiger. Someday, I'll convince my ego and my wife to change it back. Steve B9473720 My car and Steve Ralsten's to name a couple are > originally Alpine 260's...whether or not they are technically "Tigers" in my > opinion is a prime candidate for a philosophical debate. In short, the "Tiger" > name was under copyright at the time from a couple other companies, Panhard's > Tigre in France & Messerschmitt's Tiger from Germany, if I recall. I also have > a triumph motorcycle that is called a Tiger...maybe that had something to do > with it as well....but in short, VIN's for Alpine 260's will be HROFE's and > LROFE's if I understand correctly. There arent a lot of these designations in > the states....now that Steve R has bought Carroll's old car, as far as I know > I have the only one in Oklahoma. I've never asked Norm but they may or may not > be current info. When I bought my car, Norm told me there werent very many on > the registry with that designation, but I understand that several more have > surfaced in the last few years. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 09:52:48 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:53:39 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Gasket I realize that with exhaust headers that an exhaust gasket is used. How about for stock, cast exhaust manifolds? The Tiger parts list doesn't seem to show one and my stock engine had no gaskets on the manifolds. Mark L **************Free Credit Report and Score Tracking! Get it Now for $0 at CreditReport.com. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220474599x1201401934/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.creditreport.com%3Fsrc%3Daolemail%26kwd%3Dmlftrtextlin k) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 10:01:31 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:02:30 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gasket It would be pretty tough to avoid exhaust leaks with no gasket of any sort. Ideally, part of the machine work done on a head rebuild includes refacing the exhaust ports so they're all level with respect to each other, and then you do the same to the exhaust manifolds. A reasonable substitute is to at least check the flange for straightness, and to use a (straight) file to ensure any glaze and rust is removed from the port flange. Exhaust manifold gaskets are usually an asbestos (or suitable non-carcinogenic substitute) material around a perforated metal core, with stainless reinforcing rings around the port holes. At least, that's what good gasket makers such as Fel-pro do. I've also seen some pretty cheesy ones from the discount gasket makers. The worst headers I've seen had up to 1/8" warp from one exhaust port to the next... About the only thing you can do with those is to bolt them up to a spare head (without a gasket) and then heat the tubing bends cherry red to re-set them in the right place. If you don't do that then a gasket might seal them for the first few miles, but you'll have leaks soon after. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com > Sent: March 27, 2009 9:54 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Gasket > > I realize that with exhaust headers that an exhaust gasket > is used. How > about for stock, cast exhaust manifolds? The Tiger parts > list doesn't seem to > show one and my stock engine had no gaskets on the manifolds. > Mark L > **************Free Credit Report and Score Tracking! Get it > Now for $0 at CreditReport.com. > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220474599x1201401934 > /aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.creditreport.com%3Fsrc%3Daolemail%26 kwd%3Dmlftrtextlin > k) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 10:08:06 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: Tony Somebody , "Tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:08:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Confused Hey tony, yes, I agree that it is....it just felt like a good opportunity to ruffle the feathers and see if anyone wants to chime in otherwise...lol!! actually I think its kinda like a rare option color on a tiger or something...for me it gives it an added level of uniquiness, something else to make the car special, so no complaints from me, I was excited when I found and it and have started bringing it back from the dead, literally! this one would have been scrapped for sure... Cullen From: Tony Somebody [mailto:achd73@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:41 AM To: Tigers@autox.team.net; Cullen McCann Subject: Re: [Tigers] Confused Cullen- its a Tiger- a real Tiger- well after you have it TACed but Im sure by now you could tell if it was ever an Alpine. Theres no discussion as the car is as you described. A Tiger with Alpine 260 badges as sold in the Uk and perhaps other countries. It has the same vin number syestem, except for the HROFE stamping on the Vin. And thats from what Ive read, been told and seen over the years. Im positive Norm and everyone else sees your car as a Tiger- perhaps worthy of distincson (sp- how did my spellcheck disappear?) by us w/ LRXFE or whatever the vin says. TtT --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Cullen McCann wrote: _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 10:13:30 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: "sralsten@ca.rr.com" , "Tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:14:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Confused Steve, I hope I made clear that I know they are Tigers, I was just kinda poking fun at our discussions about "when a Tiger is a Tiger"....not only is your car a Tiger, it's a rare Tiger, 1 of only 10....I agree, that's my situation as well....need to convince my ego to put the Alpine badges on it...but here is the good news...the pin mounts on the alpine scripts and the Tiger scripts are in the same place....you can change from script to script without hurting the paint! I have both scripts in my possession, Tiger and Alpine....still trying to decide which ones to run on the car....probably helped all the Alger builders out there in swapping badges so easy. Cullen B382001452 LROFE Subject: Re: [Tigers] Confused Per recent discussion with Norm, 10 Alpine 260's are in the USA. They are as Tiger as any Tiger but were sold with Alpine script rather than Tiger script on the fenders because of copyright issues. If you read the spec plate on all Tigers that carry one all the cars are called Alpine 260's. The Alpine 260's also carry a Tiger chassis number not an Alpine chassis number The few that were sold in Germany and France carry ONLY the Alpine 260 name. My Alpine 260 now also wears TAC sticker #695. A PO removed the Alpine script and replaced it with Tiger. Someday, I'll convince my ego and my wife to change it back. Steve B9473720 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 11:13:55 2009 From: larryall@pacbell.net To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Confused My Tiger was sold new in Germany. It had been rescripted as Alpine. It has amber tailights and still have the German dealership insignia on trunk! It is a LRXFE model and has been taced (0022). A previous owner put Tiger script on it to make it easier for him to sell as a Tiger but I have been considering changing that back to Alpine. The story that I have heard on this car is that it was sold new in Germany and that German (European?) law dictated no two vehicles with same name. At that time there was a Goliath Tiger which I imagine came before the Sunbeam. By the way has anyone got a picture of a Goliath Tiger? I would be curious to see what that looks like. Regards, Larry B9472723 Message: 7 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:32:06 -0400 From: jpars80133@aol.com Subject: [Tigers] Confused To: Tigers@autox.team.net Message-ID: <8CB7CF78E922EFF-678-3791@WEBMAIL-DZ20.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just saw an old ad for a sunbeam 260 alpine and I was wondering what the differance was with it and a tiger?? I am assuming that it is the same car but tiger was never mentioned. The ad was from a road america program 1964. Any help? thanks Jay _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 11:17:25 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:18:26 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Confused Fifth and sixth picture down... http://mysite.verizon.net/vzenughv/worldofgoliath/id9.html Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > larryall@pacbell.net > Sent: March 27, 2009 11:15 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Confused > > By the way has anyone got a picture of a Goliath Tiger? I > would be curious to see what that looks like. > > Regards, > Larry > B9472723 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 11:21:07 2009 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: Theo.Smit@dynastream.com, larryall@pacbell.net, Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:21:51 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Confused _http://mysite.verizon.net/vzenughv/worldofgoliath/id9.html_ (http://mysite.verizon.net/vzenughv/worldofgoliath/id9.html) In a message dated 3/27/2009 10:18:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Theo.Smit@dynastream.com writes: Fifth and sixth picture down... http://mysite.verizon.net/vzenughv/worldofgoliath/id9.html Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > larryall@pacbell.net > Sent: March 27, 2009 11:15 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Confused > > By the way has anyone got a picture of a Goliath Tiger? I > would be curious to see what that looks like. > > Regards, > Larry > B9472723 Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 11:27:02 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: "larryall@pacbell.net" , Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:27:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Confused I had to do the same thing with the Panhard Tigre and Messerschmitt...google image search at its best! "....By the way has anyone got a picture of a Goliath Tiger? I would be curious to see what that looks like." _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 11:28:29 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Cullen McCann" , , Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:29:30 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Confused And, of course, there's the Goliath Tiger fish... Not one you'd want to encounter unless you were really ready. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/02/photogalleries/monster-f ish-congo-missions/photo4.html > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann > Sent: March 27, 2009 11:28 AM > To: larryall@pacbell.net; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Confused > > I had to do the same thing with the Panhard Tigre and > Messerschmitt...google image search at its best! > > > > "....By the way has anyone got a picture of a Goliath Tiger? > I would be curious to see what that looks like." > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 12:11:50 2009 From: Landcmitch@aol.com To: CoolVT@aol.com, sralsten@ca.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:11:48 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Does it ever end - in Caifornia Scares me, too, and I live here! Charlie In a message dated 3/27/2009 8:13:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, CoolVT@aol.com writes: I think Vermont is pretty bad for the crazy ideas and unbalanced budget, but California scares me. Mark In a message dated 3/27/2009 11:09:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sralsten@ca.rr.com writes: ---- Stu Brennan wrote: > Black Cars: Didn't the Mythbusters take this one on a couple years > back? IIRC, they found only a minimal difference in internal > temperatures for two cars, one white, one black, sitting in the sun all > day. Could this story be related to our proximity to 4/1? > > Stu Sadly it's not an April Fools joke. Our state government in California is seriously broken. Worst recession in years and our sales tax, income tax were just raised. Our car registrations were doubled. Our air quality regulations have been advanced beyond Federal requirements. At least people getting government checks and illegals won't have to cutback. Steve Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Free Credit Report and Score Tracking! Get it Now for $0 at CreditReport.com. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10012 6575x1220474599x1201401934/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.creditreport.com%3Fsrc%3Daolemail%26kwd%3Dmlftrtextlin k) Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 12:12:51 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:12:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gasket Mark The stock cast iron exhaust manifold did not use a gasket. I'm pretty sure there are after market gaskets available if needed. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:54 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Gasket I realize that with exhaust headers that an exhaust gasket is used. How about for stock, cast exhaust manifolds? The Tiger parts list doesn't seem to show one and my stock engine had no gaskets on the manifolds. Mark L **************Free Credit Report and Score Tracking! Get it Now for $0 at CreditReport.com. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220474599x1201401934/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Fwww.creditreport.com%3Fsrc%3Daolemail%26kwd%3Dmlftrtextlin k) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.29/2024 - Release Date: 03/27/09 07:13:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 12:30:31 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: "Smit, Theo" Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:31:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Confused Theo, and Tigers, Now THAT is a TIGER! Here is another link of something you would not like to meet either in it's home habitat, or on the road. * Scribd.com Hot Link * (http://www.scribd.com/doc/38981/GOLIATH-TIGER-FISH-SUPER-HUGE) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Smit, Theo wrote: > And, of course, there's the Goliath Tiger fish... Not one you'd want to > encounter unless you were really ready. > > *national geographic hot link * _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 16:50:13 2009 From: BOBCARNUT@aol.com To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:51:04 EDT Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Cullen, How about Tiger script on one side, and Alpine on the other? But of course there would be the decision of which name would go on which side! Bob L ************** Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 18:25:13 2009 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: Landcmitch@aol.com, CoolVT@aol.com, sralsten@ca.rr.com, Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:25:56 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Does it ever end - in Caifornia I dont understand your problem. If enough of you dont like the laws, vote the legislature out and vote in someone who will repeal the law. Unless its in the constiution, repeal is the answer. Our country's problem is professional law makers who are all lawyers. Make a two year term limit stand for something. My political affliation is: Whoever is in, vote out. Come to Indiana, taxes are low and we are one of three states with a large surplus. Imagine a state not in debt. Dave, Hoosier by birth **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 18:57:38 2009 From: Steve Sage To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:58:35 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Flipping Out! Hello Sunbeamers: I just had metal repairs and a re-paint done to my hard top. All the rust is gone and it looks brand new. That was an expensive exercise but worth it as I use it most of the time. I also replaced the side plastic "flipper windows". The old ones had cracks spreading out from that round metal piece that fits on the outside of the window. It connects to the open/close latch that attaches to the hardtop body inside. The latches pull the windows too tight against the hardtop body. In other words, in closing them all the way, the plastic windows are forced to curve inward a bit, straining the plastic and eventually causing the cracks around that round part in the window. I can't figure out how to adjust the latches so the windows close snugly but not too snug. Has anyone done this and can offer advice on what I should do? Thanks as usual. Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.440) Database version: 6.12060 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 20:09:18 2009 From: "Andy Walker" To: Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:10:03 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Absolutely shocking!!! Now that I have everyone's attention, ;-), what brand of shocks did the Tiger have originally. Were they Armstrong? I've seen some Woodhead units on Ebay but the name just didn't sound right to me. Can someone enlighten me? Thanks, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 21:11:20 2009 From: "James E. Pickard" To: Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:11:53 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Unidentified trunk hole I have a hole in the floor of the trunk, about 3/4" in diameter, just to the left of the battery. What is it for? No answers such as "Lucas smoke vent hole" please. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 21:42:00 2009 From: "TM" To: "Tiger Email List" Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:42:59 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Undefined trunk hole Hi Jim I believe the hole you are talking about is the hole for the battery cap vent tube. Mine still has the caps and hose. Terry B9471362 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 27 22:07:24 2009 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: strombecker@telus.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:08:24 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Undefined trunk hole Jim Tony is correct. Your Lucas battery came with vent caps which connect to holes in s hose and then out through the hole in the floor. According to a Rootes engineer I met, one of the prototypes was on a test dyno running at high speed. The generator was overcharging the battery so much that it created hydrogen gas. The gas exploded and burnt the Tiger and dyno. Hence the vent hose. MK II Tigers have a Red Plastic 'Manifold' that says LUCAS instead of a plain black hose Modern batteries are sealed. Dave **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 28 08:57:07 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Andy Walker'" , Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:56:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Absolutely shocking!!! Andy The General Data section of the Shop Manual states Armstrong or Woodhead-Monroe with no other information. I found one of my original front shocks and here is what is printed on it; 1223 8 71 Armstrong Patent information Type GT/7 71109/ Date 3 /65 This if for an early Mk IA Others with original shocks still on hand should also check the print on the barrels and report back. Anyone have an original rear shock? This is great information to have on hand for all of use. It would also be interesting to see if the numbers on these shocks changed through the builds to the end of the Mk II other than just the manufacturing date. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andy Walker Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:10 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Absolutely shocking!!! Now that I have everyone's attention, ;-), what brand of shocks did the Tiger have originally. Were they Armstrong? I've seen some Woodhead units on Ebay but the name just didn't sound right to me. Can someone enlighten me? Thanks, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.30/2026 - Release Date: 03/27/09 07:13:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 28 09:35:07 2009 From: "Andy Walker" To: , Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:36:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Absolutely shocking!!! Thanks, Ron...I appreciate the help. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Andy Walker'" ; Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:56 AM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Absolutely shocking!!! Andy The General Data section of the Shop Manual states Armstrong or Woodhead-Monroe with no other information. I found one of my original front shocks and here is what is printed on it; 1223 8 71 Armstrong Patent information Type GT/7 71109/ Date 3 /65 This if for an early Mk IA Others with original shocks still on hand should also check the print on the barrels and report back. Anyone have an original rear shock? This is great information to have on hand for all of use. It would also be interesting to see if the numbers on these shocks changed through the builds to the end of the Mk II other than just the manufacturing date. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andy Walker Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:10 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Absolutely shocking!!! Now that I have everyone's attention, ;-), what brand of shocks did the Tiger have originally. Were they Armstrong? I've seen some Woodhead units on Ebay but the name just didn't sound right to me. Can someone enlighten me? Thanks, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.30/2026 - Release Date: 03/27/09 07:13:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 28 09:59:01 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: , "'Andy Walker'" , Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:00:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Absolutely shocking!!! That's interesting...I have Monroe shocks all around. Not sure how they perform, I know Monroe is a cheap shock. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 09:56 To: 'Andy Walker'; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Absolutely shocking!!! Andy The General Data section of the Shop Manual states Armstrong or Woodhead-Monroe with no other information. I found one of my original front shocks and here is what is printed on it; 1223 8 71 Armstrong Patent information Type GT/7 71109/ Date 3 /65 This if for an early Mk IA Others with original shocks still on hand should also check the print on the barrels and report back. Anyone have an original rear shock? This is great information to have on hand for all of use. It would also be interesting to see if the numbers on these shocks changed through the builds to the end of the Mk II other than just the manufacturing date. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andy Walker Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:10 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Absolutely shocking!!! Now that I have everyone's attention, ;-), what brand of shocks did the Tiger have originally. Were they Armstrong? I've seen some Woodhead units on Ebay but the name just didn't sound right to me. Can someone enlighten me? Thanks, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.30/2026 - Release Date: 03/27/09 07:13:00 Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 28 11:07:52 2009 From: "Stu Brennan" To: Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:08:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Confused even MORE Just to add to the confusion: As I reported to this list a few years back, I saw, and actually drove, a RHD Alpine 260. A fellow named Fred Nater owned it. It was unsold in had family's Swiss dealership, so they kept it, and he brought it with him when he moved to the USA. Fred was last known to be in the central Florida Area. So if only France and Germany had problems with the Tiger name, why would a RHD Alpine 260 even exist? Stu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 28 11:25:42 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Steve Sage Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:26:54 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Flipping Out! Steve S., The original rear quarter windows put little stress on the plastic. Replacement (non-OEM) rubber varies from supplier, and many are thicker than original, and will put extra load on the attach button when clamped shut. This can lead to cracking. When I refurbished my top I bought new plastic, and rubber, from Sunbeam Specialties: http://www.rootes.com/ and they fit well. HOWEVER, be careful to determine the left side rubber from the right side. The thickness of the rubber varies on the inside vs the outside, and only one side should be "out". This may be your problem. Curt Meine is a reliable source, as well, and probably has direct experience with this issue. Luck, Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Sage wrote: > Hello Sunbeamers: > I just had metal repairs and a re-paint done to my hard top. All the > rust is gone and it looks brand new. That was an expensive exercise > but worth it as I use it most of the time. > > I also replaced the side plastic "flipper windows". The old ones had > cracks spreading out from that round metal piece that fits on the > outside of the window. It connects to the open/close latch that > attaches to the hardtop body inside. > > The latches pull the windows too tight against the hardtop body. In > other words, in closing them all the way, the plastic windows are > forced to curve inward a bit, straining the plastic and eventually > causing the cracks around that round part in the window. > > I can't figure out how to adjust the latches so the windows close > snugly but not too snug. Has anyone done this and can offer advice on > what I should do? > > Thanks as usual. > Steve Sage _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 28 16:28:13 2009 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:28:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Alpine 260 Stu, et al I think Rootes may have something to do with the confusion. Starting with the 1964 New York International Auto Show held April 4-12, the official show catalogue listed the U.S.A premiere of the 'Sunbeam Alpine 260' with a picture of what looks like an Alpine GT in white (i.e. small hubcaps, no trim rings, no side mouldings, and I couldn't verify the side script even with a magnifiing glass. Presumably, the printing of the catalogue was completed maybe a month before, when some of the details of the Tiger were still undecided. The pictures supposedly from the actual 1964 show feature a stock looking Tiger 1 with what look like American Racing Equipment alloy wheels. I can't find the exact reference in print, but I remember reading somewhere that Leyland in the UK marketed a bus with the Tiger model name, and wouldn't relinquish it to Rootes. The very early sales folders (the white-blue-black versions)for the UK and Europe called it the Sunbeam Alpine 260, the later versions with the red roadster against a black background for the home market called it the Tiger, the 1A sales folders for the Continent with a Med Blue car on the cover referred to it as the Sunbeam Alpine V8. When the Mark II sales folder was issued for Continent markets, the folder featured a retouched illustration reflecting the visual changes to the Mark 2, and it was renamed the Sunbeam Alpine V8 MK II. You can catch a picture of the European 1A sales folder on the back of the Book of Norman slip cover. I recall a similar problem with selling the 1965-66 Mustang in Europe. Someone else owned the Mustang name rights over there, and for a while it was named the T-5 (Ford's project name for that Mustang, I learned). _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 28 19:28:25 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] U-Joints Anyone running 1350's U-Joints/yokes? (stock is 1310's I think). I have a set of 1350 yokes and wonder if anyone has gone to the trouble? Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 28 22:18:55 2009 From: larryall@pacbell.net To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Subject: Flipping Out! Hi Steve Mine did the same thing after I installed the new 1/4 windows. I actually cracked one of the windows and had to replace. It has been a few years since I did the h/t but I remember shimming with washers so that the latch in the closed position didn't pull as hard on the button. Give a try with a few washers and maybe in stainless to avoid issues later. Regards, Larry Message: 6 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:58:35 -0700 From: Steve Sage Subject: [Tigers] Flipping Out! To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Message-ID: <49CD763B.5050903@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hello Sunbeamers: I just had metal repairs and a re-paint done to my hard top. All the rust is gone and it looks brand new. That was an expensive exercise but worth it as I use it most of the time. I also replaced the side plastic "flipper windows". The old ones had cracks spreading out from that round metal piece that fits on the outside of the window. It connects to the open/close latch that attaches to the hardtop body inside. The latches pull the windows too tight against the hardtop body. In other words, in closing them all the way, the plastic windows are forced to curve inward a bit, straining the plastic and eventually causing the cracks around that round part in the window. I can't figure out how to adjust the latches so the windows close snugly but not too snug. Has anyone done this and can offer advice on what I should do? Thanks as usual. Steve Sage _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 29 01:34:07 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: Jim Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 00:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] U-Joints Thanks for the info Jim I thought it might be close, I have a david kee top loader and have a mindset to use 1350's. I remember thinking that boy it is going to be close but I will have to fit it as needed, seems like it will be close, and I am all about bringing out the hammer where needed. I'm hoping the billet yoke on the trans site is more compact then the iron equiv and maybe gain some back. I'm under the car tomorrow and will have to take some real measures and see how bad it is. Yet another idea that cost time to make work ;-) I was looking at a 3" drive shaft, better check all that mess out too. The trick is shaft rockers ;-) I have some of the cast valve covers but they were the gt350 style but with extra height for roller rockers. I think the stock size would fit with minimal work (Some out here runs them I think with the same T&D shaft rockers as I have). I almost could get them under a set of stamped steel ones except the ends of the valve covers are very close to the end of the rocker assembly. With an extra gasket I think it would work. Thanks again for the heads up. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim To: Sandy Ganz Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:36:34 PM Subject: RE: [Tigers] U-Joints Hi Sandy When I did my T-5 this winter, I knew that the driveshaft was going to be too short so I bought an extra long spline 1330 yoke and 1330 x 1310 u-joint to attach to the stock driveshaft. I believe that the 1330 and 1350 are both 3.625 across but the 1330 has 1.06 diameter cups ( same as 1310 ). That yoke had the spline all the way to the end ( about 7" ) vs the Tiger one which is as long but only has splines starting halfway down the tube. I thought the driveshaft would be about 1/2" short after the swap but it turned out to be over an inch short so I ended up deciding to have a new 2 1/2" driveshaft ( 1 1/4" longer ) built instead and used the stock yoke. Anyway... my point is that I'm glad I didn't use the 1330 yoke as there would be almost NO clearance in the tunnel for it .There's maybe 1/2" total clearance now on the sides and the 1350/30 is .406" wider ! Of course a ball pein hammer would solve it... lol Speaking of which... that 302 I put in a couple years ago had roller rockers and as my 'Tiger' valve covers were on back order from S.S. , I used some 'Ford racing' ones that just barely fit the tunnel. I had the engine out this winter and recently attempted to install it with the 'Tiger' covers on. They wouldn't fit without spacers so I bought a set of 1 1/4" ones, split them and milled them down to 9/16" tall . They ended up exactly the same height as the old ' Ford racing ' ones but because of the shape, they made the engine about 3/8" wider... I had to 'hammer' the sides of the tunnel for clearance and still only have about 1/8" on the back corners of the covers... Jim -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz Sent: March 28, 2009 6:29 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] U-Joints Anyone running 1350's U-Joints/yokes? (stock is 1310's I think). I have a set of 1350 yokes and wonder if anyone has gone to the trouble? Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 29 08:47:22 2009 From: drmayf To: Sandy Ganz Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:47:59 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] U-Joints Sandy Ganz wrote: >Anyone running 1350's U-Joints/yokes? (stock is 1310's I think). I have a set >of 1350 yokes and wonder if anyone has gone to the trouble? > >Sandy >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > > > > > Sandy, all.... why the concern for a the ujoints? Unless you add a lot of weight to the rear of the tiger, the road/tire grip is the traction fuze. Do some math and it wont take long to figure out that the coefficient of friction with the road surface is sufficiently low that it wont really take much to loose traction. I know most of you are uunder the assumed knowledge that those big ol ires add grip. Alas, they do not! So even in first gear at peak torque say 450 ft lbs.... the low gear fives another multiplication of what? 2.4 or so (what ever your first gear tranny ratio is) times that and then once again when it goes trhough the diff ring and pinion. so 450 x 2.4 x 3.0 = 3240 ft lbs (NOT lbs - ft, lol) at the combined axles. Divide by two and that goes to each tire. Or about 1620 ft lbs. Now divide that by the tire rolling radius in FT and you get the available force. Or if the tire is a 24" dia (makes math easier) then radius is 1 ft, so force is 1620 lbs. BUT, the car weighs about 2400 lbs give or take. And the corner weights are close to being the same so each rear wheel carries about 600 lbs. Even if you could get the coefficient of friction to 1 (drag racers get more) on your street tires the most available force that could be used is 600 pounds of driving force. It is easy to break the tires loose. Wokring backwards from the max force that can be applied at the road tire interface then you'll find that the drive shaft only transmits about 600 x 2 / 3.0 = 400 ft lbs. Is a 1310 big enough? Yeah. Add to that the increased size of the 1350 means a larger yoke on each end of the drive shaft and a larger shaft diameter you have increased inertia to deal with as well. There is one other consideration to think about as well and that is load reversals when doing spirited driving around a track. In that case, you are on and off the gas pedal a lot. Each time that happens there is a jerk load associated with gear shifting. I see it all the time on the salt. Cars that go up in speed ie first to 2nd have a lot of inertia and that drives the shaft at car speed via the diff gearing. The small interval when you are off the gas and mashing the clutch allows th ewdrive shaft to reach the same proportional speed as the rear tires. So when you let the clutch out there is a jerk load because the engine is turning slower The drive shaft has to bring the engine rpm up to the speed that the car is going. If that makes sense. In any case, make sure you really need the extra strength. i just got out of bed a few moments ago so if the typing is crappy blame the lack of coffee, lol.... mayf YMMV Mayf _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 29 08:51:48 2009 From: drmayf To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:52:48 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] U-Joints I sent this reply to the list but of course, I forgot to delete the trailer..... mayf Sandy Ganz wrote: >Anyone running 1350's U-Joints/yokes? (stock is 1310's I think). I have a set >of 1350 yokes and wonder if anyone has gone to the trouble? > >Sandy >_______________________________________________ > Sandy, all.... why the concern for a the ujoints? Unless you add a lot of weight to the rear of the tiger, the road/tire grip is the traction fuze. Do some math and it wont take long to figure out that the coefficient of friction with the road surface is sufficiently low that it wont really take much to loose traction. I know most of you are uunder the assumed knowledge that those big ol ires add grip. Alas, they do not! So even in first gear at peak torque say 450 ft lbs.... the low gear fives another multiplication of what? 2.4 or so (what ever your first gear tranny ratio is) times that and then once again when it goes trhough the diff ring and pinion. so 450 x 2.4 x 3.0 = 3240 ft lbs (NOT lbs - ft, lol) at the combined axles. Divide by two and that goes to each tire. Or about 1620 ft lbs. Now divide that by the tire rolling radius in FT and you get the available force. Or if the tire is a 24" dia (makes math easier) then radius is 1 ft, so force is 1620 lbs. BUT, the car weighs about 2400 lbs give or take. And the corner weights are close to being the same so each rear wheel carries about 600 lbs. Even if you could get the coefficient of friction to 1 (drag racers get more) on your street tires the most available force that could be used is 600 pounds of driving force. It is easy to break the tires loose. Wokring backwards from the max force that can be applied at the road tire interface then you'll find that the drive shaft only transmits about 600 x 2 / 3.0 = 400 ft lbs. Is a 1310 big enough? Yeah. Add to that the increased size of the 1350 means a larger yoke on each end of the drive shaft and a larger shaft diameter you have increased inertia to deal with as well. There is one other consideration to think about as well and that is load reversals when doing spirited driving around a track. In that case, you are on and off the gas pedal a lot. Each time that happens there is a jerk load associated with gear shifting. I see it all the time on the salt. Cars that go up in speed ie first to 2nd have a lot of inertia and that drives the shaft at car speed via the diff gearing. The small interval when you are off the gas and mashing the clutch allows th ewdrive shaft to reach the same proportional speed as the rear tires. So when you let the clutch out there is a jerk load because the engine is turning slower The drive shaft has to bring the engine rpm up to the speed that the car is going. If that makes sense. In any case, make sure you really need the extra strength. i just got out of bed a few moments ago so if the typing is crappy blame the lack of coffee, lol.... mayf YMMV Mayf _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 29 13:30:55 2009 From: "Brent Edinger" To: "tigers" Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:31:19 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Cell Anyone interested in a 15 gallon Fuel Safe fuel cell setup? I just removed it from my car. It comes with everything needed to install in a Sunbeam (mounts, tubes, hoses etc) It is a plastic tank inside an aluminum box and fits on the trunk floor (have to remove the spare tire mount) and connects to the original filler cap. It comes with a mount I made to put the battery where the right hand original fuel tanks goes and picks up the existing mount holes . I bought an Escort temp spare tire and it fit in the "Alpine" position just ahead of the tank. I took it out as it makes using the trunk a little un-user friendly. I'm into it for about $750, I'll sell it for $400. It's in the Seattle area and I'm not interested in shipping it as I don't think the shipping outfits like gas tanks that have been fueled before. Brent Edinger banana111@msn.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 29 14:18:46 2009 From: Larry Paulick To: drmayf@mayfco.com Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:19:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] U-Joints If you are concerned with safety, have you added a _*safety loop on the front portion of the drive shaft. *_ Rarely discussed, cheap, but better than pole vaulting the car on the drive shaft. Larry drmayf wrote: > Sandy Ganz wrote: > >> Anyone running 1350's U-Joints/yokes? (stock is 1310's I think). I >> have a set >> of 1350 yokes and wonder if anyone has gone to the trouble? >> >> Sandy >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> >> >> > > Sandy, all.... why the concern for a the ujoints? Unless you add a > lot of weight to the rear of the tiger, the road/tire grip is the > traction fuze. Do some math and it wont take long to figure out that > the coefficient of friction with the road surface is sufficiently low > that it wont really take much to loose traction. I know most of you > are uunder the assumed knowledge that those big ol ires add grip. > Alas, they do not! So even in first gear at peak torque say 450 ft > lbs.... the low gear fives another multiplication of what? 2.4 or so > (what ever your first gear tranny ratio is) times that and then once > again when it goes trhough the diff ring and pinion. so 450 x 2.4 x > 3.0 = 3240 ft lbs (NOT lbs - ft, lol) at the combined axles. Divide by > two and that goes to each tire. Or about 1620 ft lbs. Now divide that > by the tire rolling radius in FT and you get the available force. Or > if the tire is a 24" dia (makes math easier) then radius is 1 ft, so > force is 1620 lbs. BUT, the car weighs about 2400 lbs give or take. > And the corner weights are close to being the same so each rear wheel > carries about 600 lbs. Even if you could get the coefficient of > friction to 1 (drag racers get more) on your street tires the most > available force that could be used is 600 pounds of driving force. It > is easy to break the tires loose. Wokring backwards from the max > force that can be applied at the road tire interface then you'll find > that the drive shaft only transmits about 600 x 2 / 3.0 = 400 ft > lbs. Is a 1310 big enough? Yeah. Add to that the increased size of > the 1350 means a larger yoke on each end of the drive shaft and a > larger shaft diameter you have increased inertia to deal with as > well. There is one other consideration to think about as well and > that is load reversals when doing spirited driving around a track. In > that case, you are on and off the gas pedal a lot. Each time that > happens there is a jerk load associated with gear shifting. I see it > all the time on the salt. Cars that go up in speed ie first to 2nd > have a lot of inertia and that drives the shaft at car speed via the > diff gearing. The small interval when you are off the gas and mashing > the clutch allows th ewdrive shaft to reach the same proportional > speed as the rear tires. So when you let the clutch out there is a > jerk load because the engine is turning slower The drive shaft has to > bring the engine rpm up to the speed that the car is going. If that > makes sense. > > In any case, make sure you really need the extra strength. > > > i just got out of bed a few moments ago so if the typing is crappy > blame the lack of coffee, lol.... > > mayf > > > > > YMMV > > Mayf > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 29 17:03:05 2009 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:02:51 EDT Subject: [Tigers] New tags??????????????? _http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Restore-Your-EARLY-Sunbeam-Tiger-Alpine-Orderi ng-Plate_W0QQitemZ160324269900QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Access ories?hash=item160324269900&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A3%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318#ebayphotohosting_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Restore-Your-EARLY-Sunbeam-Tiger-Alpine-Ordering-Plate_W0QQitemZ160324269900QQcmdZViewItemQQptZ Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item160324269900&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245 &_trkparms=65:3|39:1|240:1318#ebayphotohosting) **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 29 17:09:00 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Re speedo gear- Number of teeth? Off the top of your heads, does anyone know how many teeth an orginal Tiger speeod gear had. Stock Mk1 or M1a w/ 288 rearend. Thanks in advance. TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 29 17:25:00 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: "'Tony Somebody'" , Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:26:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Re speedo gear- Number of teeth? 15 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 18:10 To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Re speedo gear- Number of teeth? Off the top of your heads, does anyone know how many teeth an orginal Tiger speeod gear had. Stock Mk1 or M1a w/ 288 rearend. Thanks in advance. TtT Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 29 17:42:50 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:44:01 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] New tags??????????????? Seems like they are selling just the "decal type" letters, DIY installation - you provide what letters / numbers you want. Since the originals were STAMPED onto the surface, and were not colored black, I am not sure how this would look authentic. Maybe the letters contain acid that will eat into the surface? If one removes the original plate, original rivets are hard to find. Someone on the list say that these are commonly used in GB, and can be purchased now. No source reference. There are persistent rumors that someone is selling reproduction plates needing letters / numbers stamping. No first hand knowledge. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com AAAGLASSS@aol.com wrote: > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Restore-Your-EARLY-Sunbeam-Tiger-Alpine-Ordering-Plate_W0QQitemZ160324269900QQcmdZViewItemQQptZ > > Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item160324269900&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245 > &_trkparms=65:3|39:1|240:1318#ebayphotohosting) > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under > $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 29 17:55:21 2009 From: Bill Waite To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com, Steve Laifman Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] New tags??????????????? Looks to me like they are just providing a means to renew the printed lettering on the tag, that is, the lettering in black on the original tag that says "WHEN ORDERING PARTS PLEASE QUOTE:" and the words "CHASSIS NO", "ENGINE NO" etc. I think when they say that you first "clean your tag" they mean that you'd remove the lettering with lacquer thinner or whatever (leaving the embossed or stamped ID numbers as is) and then apply the "rub on" lettering. Years ago, "rub on" lettering was popular before computers took over in the graphics business. You could get sheets of letters in various fonts and sizes that would rub off onto ad copy work or similar items to get them "camera ready." It seems like this is just a version of that product, tailored to the exact size, font etc of the tags. Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI --- On Sun, 3/29/09, Steve Laifman wrote: From: Steve Laifman Subject: Re: [Tigers] New tags??????????????? To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Cc: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 7:44 PM Seems like they are selling just the "decal type" letters, DIY installation - you provide what letters / numbers you want. Since the originals were STAMPED onto the surface, and were not colored black, I am not sure how this would look authentic. Maybe the letters contain acid that will eat into the surface? If one removes the original plate, original rivets are hard to find. Someone on the list say that these are commonly used in GB, and can be purchased now. No source reference. There are persistent rumors that someone is selling reproduction plates needing letters / numbers stamping. No first hand knowledge. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com AAAGLASSS@aol.com wrote: > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Restore-Your-EARLY-Sunbeam-Tiger-Alpine-Order ing-Plate_W0QQitemZ160324269900QQcmdZViewItemQQptZ > > Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item160324269900&_trksid=p4506.c0.m24 5 > &_trkparms=65:3|39:1|240:1318#ebayphotohosting) **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 29 18:00:14 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Samouce's'" , "'Tony Somebody'" Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:01:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Re speedo gear- Number of teeth? 15 is correct C3OA-17271-A Speedometer driven gear 15 teeth; this gear I no longer available a 16 tooth gear is available. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Samouce's Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 7:26 PM To: 'Tony Somebody'; tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Re speedo gear- Number of teeth? 15 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 18:10 To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Re speedo gear- Number of teeth? Off the top of your heads, does anyone know how many teeth an orginal Tiger speeod gear had. Stock Mk1 or M1a w/ 288 rearend. Thanks in advance. TtT Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.31/2028 - Release Date: 03/28/09 07:16:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 29 18:01:59 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Steve Laifman Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] New tags??????????????? Steve and Group. I know the person who posted the letter om epay. He is a fine Tiger owner and a great person. He is also a graphic artist. The letters replace the painted on letters on the VIN tag. You do not rmove the tag to install the letters. I havent had a "hands on" experience of installing the letters but Im certain they are self adhesive in some manner and the same size and font of the orginal letters on the VIN tags that are listed in the auction. A few years back there where blank VIN tags for sale on epay. I think some where sold and then epay made them remove the auction as there are laws about selling VIN tags or Titles. That said, many Tiger owners have the wrong rivets in their TACed Tiger. Some where approved by the Sec. of SAtate of the corresponding state, while other have just been replaced. Some states are very pickey about this subject while others dont seem to care. Years ago many titles for Harleys where bought in Alamba and New Hampshire too. Those states didnt have titles back WHEN, so if you had a receipt and those are easily written, you could pay the fee and receive a title matching the attached VIN tag.Where one stands on this sbuject seems to be balanced on the truth about the rivets in their Tiger. Snowed here in the midwest last night and this morning. I know its freezing at your home Steve. Try to stay warm buddy. TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 29 18:05:42 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: fordlandia@sbcglobal.net Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:06:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] New tags??????????????? Bill, On second examination, I believe you are correct. They seem to be selling the black lettering, not the actual numbers. Thanks, Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Bill Waite wrote: > Looks to me like they are just providing a means to renew the printed > lettering on the tag, that is, the lettering in black on the original tag that > says "WHEN ORDERING PARTS PLEASE QUOTE:" and the words "CHASSIS NO", "ENGINE > NO" etc. I think when they say that you first "clean your tag" they mean that > you'd remove the lettering with lacquer thinner or whatever (leaving the > embossed or stamped ID numbers as is) and then apply the "rub on" lettering. > > Years ago, "rub on" lettering was popular before computers took over in the > graphics business. You could get sheets of letters in various fonts and sizes > that would rub off onto ad copy work or similar items to get them "camera > ready." It seems like this is just a version of that product, tailored to the > exact size, font etc of the tags. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 29 18:06:20 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Re speedo gear- Number of teeth? Ron or anyone. If 15 tooth was for a stock setup. Does a person running a 331 rearend need more teeth or less. I realize the 15 tooth isnt available and Im not sure what gear is needed for which rearend or what 5th gear if applicable. TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 29 18:17:38 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Steve Laifman Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Re speedo gear- Number of teeth? Steve- "How do you know". I thoink for the same type reason Iv tried to learn. Sometimes we get lucky and someone stops you from messing up. Tony --- On Sun, 3/29/09, Steve Laifman wrote: From: Steve Laifman Subject: Re: [Tigers] Re speedo gear- Number of teeth? To: "Tony Somebody" Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 6:53 PM Tony, While "the Duke" supplied the correct information, they ARE different from the Mk II with the "wide ratio" (not) transmission. The helical drive gear on the lay shaft are different too. This would give much better overall performance than the "close" (not) ratio Mk I, IA, but require that helical drive gear be changed, or the speedo re-calibrated. Not much you can do without changing speedo internal gears to get BOTH the speedo and odo correct. But you can change the Mk II helical gear during rebuild. Ask me how I know! ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Tony Somebody wrote: Off the top of your heads, does anyone know how many teeth an orginal Tiger speeod gear had. Stock Mk1 or M1a w/ 288 rearend. Thanks in advance. TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 29 18:18:10 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Andy Walker'" , Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:19:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Absolutely shocking!!! Additional shock information which may help. The front Armstrong shock I have has these dimensions: Compressed length, standing upright to the top of the threads = 11" Extended length = 15" Barrel diameter = 1.875" Just the barrel length = 7" Anyone have an original Armstrong rear shock to check the dimensions? I also put together some other information: MANUFACTURED BY WOODHEAD NEW IN ORIGINAL MOPAR BOX MOPAR PART NO : 5221220 MONROE PART NO : 7008 ARMSTRONG PART NO : 62 2270 WOODHEAD PART NO : 1236773 FO 6985 The above information is from an EBay auction for a S III rear shock. I can not confirm the Mopar # which should be the same as the Rootes part number. Rootes Parts list information; Front shocks Alpine 1201266 - S I, II, III Pub 6600992 March 1963 5220811 - S IV] Tiger 5200811 to B382001734 Pub 6601334 Jan 1967 5221239 from B382001735 Rear Shocks Alpine Lever action S I, S II 5220764 - S III 5220809 - S IV Tiger 5220903 to B382001618 5221240 from B382001619 From the Ebay information I noted that my Beck Arnley 1979 Roots catalog listed the Armstrong #'s for shocks. Alpine Rear 62-2270 - S III and early S IV Front 62-2280 - S IV, S V Rear 62-2270 - S IV, S V Tiger Front 62-2280 - Minx S V, S VI, Tiger Rear was not listed Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andy Walker Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:10 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Absolutely shocking!!! Now that I have everyone's attention, ;-), what brand of shocks did the Tiger have originally. Were they Armstrong? I've seen some Woodhead units on Ebay but the name just didn't sound right to me. Can someone enlighten me? Thanks, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.30/2026 - Release Date: 03/27/09 07:13:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 29 18:52:17 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Tony Somebody'" Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:53:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Re speedo gear- Number of teeth? Tony This is where you need to put together a nice little calculator sheet to determine the right cable gear. 980 16 / 6 907.4 980 is the # of revs the speedo is looking for per mile/ listed on the face of the speedo. 16 = driven speedo gear 6 = the gear in the transmission 907.4 = tire revs per mile with 2.88 gears I thought I had a calculator spread sheet for this but can't find it right now. Maybe it is on one of the web sites that sells gears. I believe you would need more teeth on the gear. Here is some gear information: Drive gear in trans original # B7C-17285-A 6T 6T E3ZZ-17285-B 7T E3ZZ-17285-A Cable gears (driven gear); 15T C3OZ-17271-A 16T C1DD-17271-A 17T C2DZ-17271-G C3DZ-17271-B 18T C0DD-17271-B 19T C0DD-17271-C C4DZ-17271-A 20T C1DD-17271-A C2DZ-17271-H 21T C4OZ-17271-A Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Tony Somebody [mailto:achd73@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 8:07 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: Beamclub Subject: RE: [Tigers] Re speedo gear- Number of teeth? Ron or anyone. If 15 tooth was for a stock setup. Does a person running a 331 rearend need more teeth or less. I realize the 15 tooth isnt available and Im not sure what gear is needed for which rearend or what 5th gear if applicable. TtT No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.31/2028 - Release Date: 03/28/09 07:16:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 29 19:11:15 2009 From: michael king To: Stu Brennan Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:12:09 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Confused even MORE 2009/3/29 Stu Brennan > Just to add to the confusion: > > As I reported to this list a few years back, I saw, and actually drove, > a RHD Alpine 260. A fellow named Fred Nater owned it. It was unsold in > had family's Swiss dealership, so they kept it, and he brought it with > him when he moved to the USA. Fred was last known to be in the central > Florida Area. > > So if only France and Germany had problems with the Tiger name, why > would a RHD Alpine 260 even exist? > > Stu > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > Just a long shot.. but apparently "alpine 260's" were bought by US service people in Europe.. perhaps somoen ordered one but intended to go to Uk or else where in which case they would have specified a RHD car.. so specing it as an alpine badges car would not be to hard, -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 29 19:35:05 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: michael king Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Confused even MORE So if only France and Germany had problems with the Tiger name, why > would a RHD Alpine 260 even exist? > Michael- I think the problem was with the entire continent of Europe. From the UK to Africa. Germany and Switerland too. IMHO, perhaps. TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 29 19:42:27 2009 From: michael king To: Tony Somebody Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:43:27 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Alpine 260's OK, I have one for all the B.O.N owners out there.. IIRC the south african Tigers have SAL tags... Do the EU spec "alpine 260's" have JAL or SAL tags? -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 29 19:47:15 2009 From: Rob Bernardino To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:48:20 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] SEBRING PHOTOS - not Tiger but oh so cool! I am a sucker for vintage race photos - so check these out. Rob http://www.barcboys.com/SebringPicCover.htm Rob in CT 1966 Mk1A Tiger B382000262 LRXFE JAL660245 Color Code 39: Carnival Red _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 29 20:01:54 2009 From: michael king To: Rob Bernardino Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:02:49 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] SEBRING PHOTOS - not Tiger but oh so cool! well.. there are Sunbeams.. As most would know the alpines did well at Sebring.. some alpines doing their thing; http://www.barcboys.com/Images/Sebring61/61SebFirst%20TurnWeb.jpg http://www.barcboys.com/Images/62Sebring/62Seb-43AlpineV2.jpg -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 29 21:17:49 2009 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: "'michael king'" , Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:18:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine 260's JAL A. C. Tynes > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king > Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 8:43 PM > To: Tony Somebody > Cc: Beamclub > Subject: [Tigers] Alpine 260's > > OK, > > I have one for all the B.O.N owners out there.. IIRC the > south african Tigers have SAL tags... Do the EU spec "alpine > 260's" have JAL or SAL tags? > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 29 21:25:18 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'michael king'" , "'Tony Somebody'" Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:26:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine 260's Mike According to TBON the South Africa Tiger have ALP tags, some of the very earliest Tigers have SAL tags, the rest have JAL tags. Norm would have more information on this. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:43 PM To: Tony Somebody Cc: Beamclub Subject: [Tigers] Alpine 260's OK, I have one for all the B.O.N owners out there.. IIRC the south african Tigers have SAL tags... Do the EU spec "alpine 260's" have JAL or SAL tags? -- Regards Michael King No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.31/2028 - Release Date: 03/29/09 16:56:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 29 23:08:53 2009 From: To: 'michael king' , 'Tony Somebody' Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 1:09:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine 260's Tags from my Alpine 260.Only significant difference being the LROFE chassis number I also include picture of its fender badge. Yes I know they are not orig rivets. Drilled out by PO for paint job in 1974. http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/VIN%20TAG.jpg http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/JAL%20TAG.jpg http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/ALPINE%20260%20BADGE.jpg _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 30 04:10:43 2009 From: "Robert J. Wanty" To: Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:11:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 1966 Tiger For Sale After 6 years of restoration I have decided to sell. It is about 95% done and although I am afraid to add up the receipts I think that I have about $30K plus over a 1000 hours of my time in it. I would like about $28K if there is any interest please contact me for the details. Bob B382001318 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 30 06:49:14 2009 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:50:04 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Front suspension rebuild Hello all, Saturday I got my Tiger out of winter storage. Ran great on the 20 miles to home. The immediate project is FRONT SUSPENSION REBUILD. Mr. Jennings is supplying the new fulcrum pins, as well as rebuilding and adding strength to the A arms by additional welds. The question and point where I need guidance is: can someone point me to a synopses of necessary and prudent mods to the cross-member. It will be bead-blasted, weld strengthened, and then painted. Your prompt attention in this matter will be much appreciated. Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 30 07:11:02 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:11:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Front suspension rebuild Jim I believe Tom Hall wrote the Tech Tip for this. I'm not sure if the information is posted on the STOA web page or if Tom has it posted somewhere. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 8:50 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Front suspension rebuild Hello all, Saturday I got my Tiger out of winter storage. Ran great on the 20 miles to home. The immediate project is FRONT SUSPENSION REBUILD. Mr. Jennings is supplying the new fulcrum pins, as well as rebuilding and adding strength to the A arms by additional welds. The question and point where I need guidance is: can someone point me to a synopses of necessary and prudent mods to the cross-member. It will be bead-blasted, weld strengthened, and then painted. Your prompt attention in this matter will be much appreciated. Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.31/2029 - Release Date: 03/29/09 16:56:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 30 10:02:26 2009 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:01:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Interior Replacement Question All, The previous abuser...I mean...owner of this car chose to go cheap on the interior. He used what appears to be undercoat or truck bed coating on the floor and used some sort of asphalt mat material as an insulator. This may have seemed like a good idea at the time, but we have baked in this car in the summer, so I will be doing the following: - Strip out all the coatings to bare metal - POR15 the metal - Lizardskin insulating paint - Additional 3/8" fiber insulation on firewall area - Martha Christiansen ProPrep interior I am still stuck on step 1, I have spent endless hours wire brushing, then pouring mineral spirits on this tar-like crud and countless rolls of Bounty to get the stuff up. I've tried a heat gun, BrakeKleen, and lacquer thinner without as much success as the mineral spirits. Anyone got a hint or two, maybe a better solvent? My right arm hasn't been this tired since I was 14.... Bugz _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 30 10:10:47 2009 From: PhastPhill@aol.com To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, Rollright@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:10:45 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Front suspension rebuild The tigers United site has ton's of info. _http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/techtipssubject.asp_ (http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/techtipssubject.asp) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 30 10:10:57 2009 From: "Robin Young" To: "'Rense, Mark \(GE Indust, ConsInd\)'" , Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:11:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interior Replacement Question You might try Brush Cleaner from a paint store. It is similar to mineral spirits but a much more active solvent. Let us know what you find that works. Robin -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:02 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Interior Replacement Question All, The previous abuser...I mean...owner of this car chose to go cheap on the interior. He used what appears to be undercoat or truck bed coating on the floor and used some sort of asphalt mat material as an insulator. This may have seemed like a good idea at the time, but we have baked in this car in the summer, so I will be doing the following: - Strip out all the coatings to bare metal - POR15 the metal - Lizardskin insulating paint - Additional 3/8" fiber insulation on firewall area - Martha Christiansen ProPrep interior I am still stuck on step 1, I have spent endless hours wire brushing, then pouring mineral spirits on this tar-like crud and countless rolls of Bounty to get the stuff up. I've tried a heat gun, BrakeKleen, and lacquer thinner without as much success as the mineral spirits. Anyone got a hint or two, maybe a better solvent? My right arm hasn't been this tired since I was 14.... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 30 10:12:40 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Rense, Mark \(GE Indust, ConsInd\)" , Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:13:40 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interior Replacement Question Does POR15 work as a suitable undercoat for the LizardSkin material? I thought I'd heard that stuff doesn't really adhere well to POR. I used a self-adhesive reflective material on the underside of the bellhousing/trans area... The idea is that you stop the heat getting to the interior in the first place. Dunno yet how it's going to work, or whether it will stay attached there. My suggestion: Dry ice, and mechanical abrasion. The dry ice hardens the stuff so that it doesn't just moosh out of the way when you hit it with a wire wheel. Wear protection against flying bits (and against extreme cold, too). Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rense, > Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) > Sent: March 30, 2009 10:02 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Interior Replacement Question > > All, > The previous abuser...I mean...owner of this car chose to go > cheap on the interior. He used what appears to be undercoat > or truck bed coating on the floor and used some sort of > asphalt mat material as an insulator. > This may have seemed like a good idea at the time, but we > have baked in this car in the summer, so I will be doing the > following: > > - Strip out all the coatings to bare metal > - POR15 the metal > - Lizardskin insulating paint > - Additional 3/8" fiber insulation on firewall area > - Martha Christiansen ProPrep interior > > I am still stuck on step 1, I have spent endless hours wire > brushing, then pouring mineral spirits on this tar-like crud > and countless rolls of Bounty to get the stuff up. I've tried > a heat gun, BrakeKleen, and lacquer thinner without as much > success as the mineral spirits. Anyone got a hint or two, > maybe a better solvent? My right arm hasn't been this tired > since I was 14.... > > Bugz > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 30 12:13:20 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:14:27 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Front suspension rebuild There are some articles and tech notes by Tom at TigersUnited.com. A "Search" for Tom Hall (all the words) will give a list. This one, thanks to STOA and Tom, can be what you seek: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/th-ub/STOAbushings1.asp Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Ron Fraser wrote: > Jim > I believe Tom Hall wrote the Tech Tip for this. I'm not sure if > the information is posted on the STOA web page or if Tom has it posted > somewhere. > > Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 30 13:31:43 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, " Mark \(GE Indust ConsInd\)Rense" Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interior Replacement Question Mark- Did you have a Sunbeam at 14 too?? Mark- an ox/aceteylen torch might make to much heat unles you have lots of experience and too, fire is something you might encounter but from what you said, I would try heat and a strong putty knife- the 2.5 to 3" type. Maybe a bottle torch like used to solder copper tubing might be hot enough. Again, I imangine the material will catch fire, so be careful and have something handy in case and also I would wear proper breathing respirator. Often the fumes from materials like those mentioned put off several types of gas when burned. Let us know what works as you are likely to receive many ideas. TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 30 13:31:57 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, " Mark \(GE Indust ConsInd\)Rense" Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interior Replacement Question Mark- Did you have a Sunbeam at 14 too?? Mark- an ox/aceteylen torch might make to much heat unles you have lots of experience and too, fire is something you might encounter but from what you said, I would try heat and a strong putty knife- the 2.5 to 3" type. Maybe a bottle torch like used to solder copper tubing might be hot enough. Again, I imangine the material will catch fire, so be careful and have something handy in case and also I would wear proper breathing respirator. Often the fumes from materials like those mentioned put off several types of gas when burned. Let us know what works as you are likely to receive many ideas. TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 30 13:55:12 2009 From: jkwouts@yahoo.ca To: Tiger List Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Speed bleeders? All... I am pretty sure I have seen this topic covered in the last few months but after an exhaustive search have come up empty. Has anyone used the Speed Bleeders that are constantly up on ebay? Are they decent or just going to cause more blood, sweat and tears?? They keep popping up there and haunting me so I just have to know. thanks, Kevin B3820000239 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 30 14:22:16 2009 From: "Tiger Man" To: , "Tiger List" Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:17:26 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speed bleeders? I've used speed bleeders on other cars before, you can buy them at any automotive store rather than epay if you like (you do need to know what size you need). The thing I noticed was these things were like $10-12 a piece when I tried some. At that price, you are better off going and buying the hand vacuum pump and that way you can bleed as many cars as you like for a ~$40 investment. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Tiger List" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: [Tigers] Speed bleeders? > All... I am pretty sure I have seen this topic covered in the last few > months > but after an exhaustive search have come up empty. > > Has anyone used the Speed Bleeders that are constantly up on ebay? Are > they > decent or just going to cause more blood, sweat and tears?? They keep > popping > up there and haunting me so I just have to know. > > thanks, > > Kevin > B3820000239 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 30 16:06:05 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: "'Tiger List'" Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:02:41 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] V6 Alpine eats most Tigers? What do you think of this statement - "Ok let me put this another way.... the v6 conversion will eat most Tigers." I have not got a response yet. http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10652 Duke _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 30 16:44:00 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger Man Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:44:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speed bleeders? Kevin and Steve, My son and I both have those speed bleeders on his Alpine and my Tiger. One in front and one in rear handle it. Spring loaded valve allows one-man bleeding, but an eyeball for "no bubbles" is helpful. Putting a Mason Jar to catch fluid f/r will let you see the flow for clear and bubble free while in the driver's seat. Fluid can be placed in a feeder to the M/C, or re topping. You only need 2 (1 front and one rear) for the car. They are about $7 each, and a soft plastic catch bag and hose (if you don't like glass) are $6. For details and illustrations: http://www.speedbleeder.com/ Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Tiger Man wrote: > I've used speed bleeders on other cars before, you can buy them at any > automotive store rather than epay if you like (you do need to know > what size you need). > > The thing I noticed was these things were like $10-12 a piece when I > tried some. At that price, you are better off going and buying the > hand vacuum pump and that way you can bleed as many cars as you like > for a ~$40 investment. > > Steve > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: "Tiger List" > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 1:56 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Speed bleeders? > > >> All... I am pretty sure I have seen this topic covered in the last >> few months >> but after an exhaustive search have come up empty. >> >> Has anyone used the Speed Bleeders that are constantly up on ebay? >> Are they >> decent or just going to cause more blood, sweat and tears?? They keep >> popping >> up there and haunting me so I just have to know. >> >> thanks, >> >> Kevin >> B3820000239 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 30 16:52:36 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: Samouce's , Tiger List Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] V6 Alpine eats most Tigers? If all parts of the car are the same and HP of the motor is the same, ends up being a weight game and that is mighty helpful in making a car faster and handle better. So for a guy to compare a stock tiger to a stock alpine with a newer v6 lots of other things come to mind mostly how low HP the 260's were and what they could be capable of compared to a later model v6. Btw someone always has one that is faster and handles better. The V6 really is a perfect engine for the Alpine, I think someone down in San Diego does them up and they look ok. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Samouce's To: Tiger List Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 3:02:41 PM Subject: [Tigers] V6 Alpine eats most Tigers? What do you think of this statement - "Ok let me put this another way.... the v6 conversion will eat most Tigers." I have not got a response yet. http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10652 Duke _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 30 16:52:53 2009 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, achd73@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:50:23 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Re speedo gear- Number of teeth? The gears are cheap. Each tooth up adds about 3 mph to the speedometer. By a 16 and see what you read when driving 60sec miles on the interstate. Adjust accordingly. No need to figure ratios, tire size etc. Works until you change tires or wheels. I switched my MKA to a 16 tooth and using 185x13 70 tires the speedo was dead on at 60 mph. Dave **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 30 17:09:10 2009 From: Howard gentry To: Samouce's , tiger list Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] V6 Alpine eats most Tigers? Hello, I have not seen or driven the V-6 alpine,...however, I did see a Buick Grand National V-^ installed in a MG-B in Wyoming. That installation looke very factory, and the modified B just ran like the wind..I didn't drive it, but I watched it leave the area one evening. It did 0 to 60 in a blink, stopped on a dime, rotated on its wheelbase and came back very neatlt..A true autocross.-roadrace machine..but very civil on the street. The V-6 Alpine must be as neat and tidy as the B I saw..A V-8 Alpine(Tiger), would have to be Very Good to see off the V-6 I saw. Howard The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Samouce's wrote: From: Samouce's Subject: [Tigers] V6 Alpine eats most Tigers? To: "'Tiger List'" Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 6:02 PM What do you think of this statement - "Ok let me put this another way.... the v6 conversion will eat most Tigers." I have not got a response yet. http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10652 Duke Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 30 17:15:21 2009 From: DJoh797014@aol.com To: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com, rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:16:00 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Front suspension rebuild In addition the TE/AE tech tips on their website are great. Also read and do John Logan's fix. You are very lucky to get Doug to do your work. He's retiring. At 63 he said enough is enough. He's familiar with Logan's fix. Do it without fail. Dave **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 30 17:25:34 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Samouce's Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] V6 Alpine eats most Tigers? .""Ok let me put this another way.... > the v6 conversion will eat most Tigers". > > Duke- I met Joe Rodriquez "over the phone" some years back. Joe was/is a machinest and mechanic. He may well have been the first person to adapt the 2.8 V6 into an Alpine. Joe sells kits to fix the steering problems, headers, cam made specfic for the engine and car. I dont recall how many HP Joe got out of the 2.8 but he also had an intake for a 4 barell in his kit. Ive owned a few Bronco 2s that had the 2.8 engine. Today its hard to find heads for them unless they have an aftermarket. Joe told me his V6 Alpine would out run a STOCK Tiger. Now I think we have to note the key word is "stock" I promise if Joe says it will out run a stock Tiger, then it will. I dont recall the HP that the V6 made but it wasnt a slouch by any means and prolly handled better than a Tiger as well with so much more room in the engine compartment to achieve the correct weight ratio. My 2 cents worth. TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 30 17:29:25 2009 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: achd73@yahoo.com, wsamouce@kc.rr.com Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:29:54 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] V6 Alpine eats most Tigers? Considering how fast (slow?) a stock Tiger is, when put in context, is this really surprising to anyone? Mike **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 30 17:42:59 2009 From: Sabr2th To: Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:39:55 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] V6 Alpine? Why are we comparing "modified" (V6) Alpines with "stock" Tigers? I doubt a modern 5.0L with aluminim heads and intake weighs more than 50 lbs over the V6. Plus, how many speed parts have you seen in your Jegs catalog for a Ford V6? .""Ok let me put this another way.... > the v6 conversion will eat most Tigers". > > Duke- I met Joe Rodriquez "over the phone" some years back. Joe was/is a machinest and mechanic. He may well have been the first person to adapt the 2.8 V6 into an Alpine. Joe sells kits to fix the steering problems, headers, cam made specfic for the engine and car. I dont recall how many HP Joe got out of the 2.8 but he also had an intake for a 4 barell in his kit. Ive owned a few Bronco 2s that had the 2.8 engine. Today its hard to find heads for them unless they have an aftermarket. Joe told me his V6 Alpine would out run a STOCK Tiger. Now I think we have to note the key word is "stock" I promise if Joe says it will out run a stock Tiger, then it will. I dont recall the HP that the V6 made but it wasnt a slouch by any means and prolly handled better than a Tiger as well with so much more room in the engine compartment to achieve the correct weight ratio. My 2 cents worth. TtT Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 30 18:00:11 2009 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: Sabr2th , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:57:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] V6 Alpine? Do not assume it is a Ford V-6. I have seen conversions in other British cars using the larger displacement GM V-6 engines of 4.3 liters (262 c.i.d). Anything can be done with the right motivation! -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sabr2th Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 4:40 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] V6 Alpine? Why are we comparing "modified" (V6) Alpines with "stock" Tigers? I doubt a modern 5.0L with aluminim heads and intake weighs more than 50 lbs over the V6. Plus, how many speed parts have you seen in your Jegs catalog for a Ford V6? .""Ok let me put this another way.... > the v6 conversion will eat most Tigers". > > Duke- I met Joe Rodriquez "over the phone" some years back. Joe was/is > a machinest and mechanic. He may well have been the first person to adapt the 2.8 V6 into an Alpine. Joe sells kits to fix the steering problems, headers, cam made specfic for the engine and car. I dont recall how many HP Joe got out of the 2.8 but he also had an intake for a 4 barell in his kit. Ive owned a few Bronco 2s that had the 2.8 engine. Today its hard to find heads for them unless they have an aftermarket. Joe told me his V6 Alpine would out run a STOCK Tiger. Now I think we have to note the key word is "stock" I promise if Joe says it will out run a stock Tiger, then it will. I dont recall the HP that the V6 made but it wasnt a slouch by any means and prolly handled better than a Tiger as well with so much more room in the engine compartment to achieve the correct weight ratio. My 2 cents worth. TtT Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 30 18:00:14 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, Sabr2th Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] V6 Alpine? Why are we comparing "modified" (V6) Alpines with "stock" Tigers? I doubt a modern 5.0L with aluminim heads and intake weighs more than 50 lbs over the V6. Plus, how many speed parts have you seen in your Jegs catalog for a Ford V6? I suppose because the same reason that someone would install a V6 in an Alpine to start with. That would be along the lines of why the V8 was installed in the prototpes--- so the car would go faster than it did w/ a 4 cylinder. I doubt the V6 in stock form makes much more power than a 1725 with head work and headers and carb swaps. No longer stock in that form. The point I was trying to make was that Joe stated his kit produced an Alpine that would out run a stock Tiger. There are prolly more Tigers that are modified, engine wise, than there are in stock condition. I know they exist but thats usually the first mofification made to a Tiger- more HP. Im not sure why we are comparing the two but its nice to have some Tiger talk, even if its comparing an Alpine with a Ford engine in it. TtT PS- I doubt JEGS has many parts for a 2.8 V6 Ford but if you want to stroke it, then the parts are available, Im sure. The 2.9 was a lot stronger engine than the 2.8, for what thats worth. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 30 18:32:11 2009 From: "Ross" To: "'Tony Somebody'" , , Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:30:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interior Replacement Question Hi, This has been the standard procedure if the car is stripped. Mine is on a rotisserie and it was heat, scrape, wire brush, heat, scrape, wire brush you get the idea. I spoke with a knowledgeable restorer and he had done the same until an old hot rod guy gave him this tip. Use easy off oven cleaner let it set for awhile and scrape it off down to them metal no problem. It works but you need to neutralize the acid. Use 1 tbs baking soda and 1 tbs vinegar in a 1/2 gallon of water. Wipe it down clean as whistle. I sent pictures to Mark of my progress. It really does work and reduces the labor 10 fold. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:32 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net; Mark (GE Indust ConsInd)Rense Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interior Replacement Question Mark- Did you have a Sunbeam at 14 too?? Mark- an ox/aceteylen torch might make to much heat unles you have lots of experience and too, fire is something you might encounter but from what you said, I would try heat and a strong putty knife- the 2.5 to 3" type. Maybe a bottle torch like used to solder copper tubing might be hot enough. Again, I imangine the material will catch fire, so be careful and have something handy in case and also I would wear proper breathing respirator. Often the fumes from materials