From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 1 11:10:22 2009 From: Steve Sage To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 10:10:03 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Hood Release Handle Question One of the "ears" broke off my plastic hood release pull handle in the Tiger. It's the type with the metal bar, not the wire, that goes through the firewall. It's the handle that says "Bonnet" on it in later cars (Series V Alpines and maybe MK II Tigers?), but on mine, a MK1A, there's no lettering on the handle. I bought a used replacement assembly but figure it's only a matter of time that it may break too if I install it. Has anyone come up with a replacement handle that looks stock, or close to it, made of metal? I'm thinking I could cut off what remains of the plastic handle from the metal bar (It's held on with what looks to be a tiny pop rivet of some type, or maybe just a small metal tab, or more likely the handles were hot molded onto the bar with no provision to be replaced normally). Then a metal replacement handle could be clamped on in some way. I have to give the hood release a pretty definite "yank" to open the hood, so that's probably not "normal" and may be why the release handle broke in the first place. Thanks! Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12300 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 1 12:39:09 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net, Steve Sage Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 11:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hood Release Handle Question Steve, if the release and linkage is as it should be, pulling the handle is easy and the bonnet will pop with no problems. Especially no breaking of the handle. I have a S5 Alpine that some PO replaced the T on. It appears he removed the rod and threaded it. he then used a round pull know that screwed onto the lever. It actually works better than the T. I think the reason why is you can grasp more of the knob and the rod and have more pull than the T permitts. Another cause of your problem might be the piece on the bonnet. I'm thinking and I need to look, that it is adjustable in that it screws in and out to make a tighter fir against the body. It might be so tight that it puts a strain on the keeper. Much more and it prolly wouldnt close without slamming it down. That said I'm just thinking it is made as I described. i will look in a few minutes. Good luck. TtT --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Steve Sage wrote: From: Steve Sage Subject: [Tigers] Hood Release Handle Question To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:10 PM One of the "ears" broke off my plastic hood release pull handle in the Tiger. It's the type with the metal bar, not the wire, that goes through the firewall. It's the handle that says "Bonnet" on it in later cars (Series V Alpines and maybe MK II Tigers?), but on mine, a MK1A, there's no lettering on the handle. I bought a used replacement assembly but figure it's only a matter of time that it may break too if I install it. Has anyone come up with a replacement handle that looks stock, or close to it, made of metal? I'm thinking I could cut off what remains of the plastic handle from the metal bar (It's held on with what looks to be a tiny pop rivet of some type, or maybe just a small metal tab, or more likely the handles were hot molded onto the bar with no provision to be replaced normally). Then a metal replacement handle could be clamped on in some way. I have to give the hood release a pretty definite "yank" to open the hood, so that's probably not "normal" and may be why the release handle broke in the first place. Thanks! Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12300 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 1 13:07:51 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Steve Sage Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 12:07:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hood Release Handle Question Steve S., I have had some problems with the hood release mechanism, which manifested itself as being unable to release rear catch. The problem was a lack of proper bonnet catch mechanism alignment that would not allow the opening of metal jaws to reach "release" position on the spindle. This was cured by releasing the hood though removal of front hinge bolts, and hood. The attachment of a flexible wire from the hood catch hook through the grille, and aligning the catch mechanism so it would release when pulled. If I had not done this, I might have pulled much too vigorously on the "T" release knob and broken "something" in the train. Now it opens easily. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Sage wrote: > One of the "ears" broke off my plastic hood release pull handle in the > Tiger. It's the type with the metal bar, not the wire, that goes > through the firewall. It's the handle that says "Bonnet" on it in > later cars (Series V Alpines and maybe MK II Tigers?), but on mine, a > MK1A, there's no lettering on the handle. > > I bought a used replacement assembly but figure it's only a matter of > time that it may break too if I install it. > > Has anyone come up with a replacement handle that looks stock, or > close to it, made of metal? I'm thinking I could cut off what remains > of the plastic handle from the metal bar (It's held on with what looks > to be a tiny pop rivet of some type, or maybe just a small metal tab, > or more likely the handles were hot molded onto the bar with no > provision to be replaced normally). Then a metal replacement handle > could be clamped on in some way. > > I have to give the hood release a pretty definite "yank" to open the > hood, so that's probably not "normal" and may be why the release > handle broke in the first place. > > Thanks! > Steve Sage > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) > Database version: 6.12300 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 1 22:28:20 2009 From: Drmoonstone@aol.com To: dave@munroe.ca, wsamouce@kc.rr.com, tigers-bounces@autox.team.net, Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 00:27:12 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Is it just me...Tiger bite ditto moonstone ************** Eat Great & Lose Weight FASTER! 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Lot's of other music, song, and dance videos of the era. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOoNOs8Ql28 Enjoy, Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 5 12:45:14 2009 From: "Joe Brown" To: "'Tiger List'" Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 21:05:37 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins Hey, Is anybody familiar with the fulcrum pins from www.rootesparts.com ? Any known issues? Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 5 13:15:29 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 08:13:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] no mail & Alpine List mail bounces This is to see if tiger List mail is delivering as te post I made to the Alpine List continues to bounce back. Thanks in advance for ANY reply. TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 5 13:24:35 2009 From: To: Beamclub , Tony Somebody Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:24:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] no mail & Alpine List mail bounces Delivered as posted. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX ---- Tony Somebody wrote: > This is to see if tiger List mail is delivering as te post I made to the Alpine List continues to bounce back. Thanks in advance for ANY reply. > TtT > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 5 14:33:02 2009 From: michael king To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 09:47:18 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] T lockout handle Listers, A while back i gave some info on where to get a replacement T handle for the tiger shifters... you think i can find that now? Anyone have a source, cnt find it at toploader heaven, scott drake... help! -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 5 14:34:36 2009 From: Stephen Waybright To: Tiger Email List , Mike Michels Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger in Garmin ad I noticed the same ad in my wife's people magazine. I think that picture (I believe of an Alpine) has also been used in a State Farm ad in the past as well as one other that I don't recall at the moment. There's is also another similar shot of a red Sunbeam in profile (I assume the same car and same photoshoot) that is used in a ClassicCars.com ad in every e-mail Sports Car Market electronics newsletter I receive. Stephen Waybright On Sun, 5/3/09, Mike Michels wrote: From: Mike Michels Subject: [Tigers] Tiger in Garmin ad To: "Tiger Email List" Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 3:43 PM My latest Newsweek has an ad for Garmin satellite navigation systems starring a couple in what I'm pretty sure is a Tiger. Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 5 14:50:52 2009 From: "Steve Ralsten" To: Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 17:40:52 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Gearbox leak I've noticed I'm leaking from the drain plug and probably the front seal as well. Rate of about tablespoon a week. I don't mind living with the leak for a bit but I've been over the shop manual and looked under the hood. Can't find where to add fluid. Is it accessed from the interior ? Steve B9473720 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 5 15:01:07 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Steve Ralsten Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 14:00:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gearbox leak Steve R., The fill and the drain plugs for the engine are at the left valve cover, and the left side bottom of the engine, respectively. The fill and the drain plugs for the transmission are on the right side and bottom of the transmission, respectively. A "tablespoon" a week is probably good news. Although both drains are US design, it was put into an English car. I remember looking at a brand new MG-TD on the dealers floor. There was a small puddle of oil on the floor, and I asked the salesman if it were leaking. He replied: /"Of course it is. It's designed that way. Otherwise, how would you know it had oil in it?" /Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Ralsten wrote: > I've noticed I'm leaking from the drain plug and probably the front > seal as well. > Rate of about tablespoon a week. I don't mind living with the leak for > a bit > but I've been over the shop manual and looked under the hood. Can't > find where to add fluid. > > Is it accessed from the interior ? > > Steve > B9473720 _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 5 15:10:23 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 14:10:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gearbox leak >>>Is it accessed from the interior ?<<< Sort of: No, the fill plug is on the passenger side about half way up near the center. They make hand pumps that allow one to fill with greater ease. I would still recommend "warming" the fluid. Yes, If you remove the shift boot and snake the hose down that way. But remember you run the risk of accidentally getting gear oil in the interior. I guess one could use a chassis punch near the appropriate spot and use a rubber plug when done. That would still necessitate pulling the carpet back. Not to mention all the flack you would get for putting a hole in a Tiger specific tranny tunnel! Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 5 15:51:02 2009 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:49:20 EDT Subject: [Tigers] if only............ Hey, If only I could fit this in a Tiger............................ _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d4HQ8ZM_2k&feature=related_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d4HQ8ZM_2k&feature=related) Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 5 16:06:04 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 16:05:58 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] if only............ I dunno... You'd have to bulge the hood. If we're going to play "if only" with an eye to cost-no-object performance, then I think that an aluminum block and lightweight rotating assembly are good places to start. Or figure out how to put a modular 32-valve engine in there. A 6-speed transmission with good ratios (I know that's already been done...) ... Add all wheel drive. No reason that the Tiger shouldn't be as nimble as Ken Block's Impreza. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs-jAImScms Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 5 16:09:45 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:08:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] if only............ but that wouldn't be original.....would it still be a Tiger? blah blah blah...yackety yack....hehehe Subject: Re: [Tigers] if only............ I dunno... You'd have to bulge the hood. If we're going to play "if only" with an eye to cost-no-object performance, then I think that an aluminum block and lightweight rotating assembly are good places to start. Or figure out how to put a modular 32-valve engine in there. A 6-speed transmission with good ratios (I know that's already been done...) ... Add all wheel drive. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 5 17:45:42 2009 From: "Stu Brennan" To: Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 21:43:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] New England British Car Day Hi New England: Something the same, and something different, starts off the 2009 season. We're starting the season off with British Car Day at the Lars Anderson Auto Museum in Brookline, MA. That's the same, what's the different? The date. It's on June 7 this year, earlier than ever. Anyway, we'll have the usual collection of everything British on 4 wheels (or maybe fewer) filling the lawn at the museum. More details and directions can be found at: http://www.larzanderson.org They say it starts at 10:00AM, but WE know there'll be arriving much earlier, so plan on arriving early. And keep your eyes open for Tod Brown's Maine event this fall. This year could be bigger and better than ever. Stu Brennan TE/AE Regional Rep. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 5 19:16:24 2009 From: "steve wick" To: "tigers" Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 18:14:35 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] How long? A little history before my question. Last fall I noticed a noise in the rear end. It turned out to be a loose hub that had chewed up the key. In taking that all apart to fix, I noticed I had a leaky axle seal, and decided to fix that too. On a hunch I looked at the other side. Yep, it was leaking also. Well as long as I'm doing that, I might as well just rebuild the whole rear end, and if I'm doing that, why not put in posi. Of course I had to cut the exhaust out of the way to get the rear end out. When I installed the rebuilt rear end, I figured I might as well rebuild the rear brakes as long as I was there. Then I decided to rebuild the brake booster that a previous owner had unhooked because it leaked vacuum (I don't recommend that for the faint of heart). I then remembered that the car would pull to one side if I dynamited the brakes real hard so why not rebuild the front calipers as well. I found a set of Walker mufflers that would fit under the car and welded them in because the old mufflers had some holes in them (another job I don't ever want to do again) and I'm ready for a test drive. Here's the problem. My "new" car is quiet, the rear end doesn't make noise and it doesn't pull to one side when I brake hard. I kind of miss the excitement. How long will it take me to get used to this? Steve (in N. Id. and yes, this is just to have some fun and generate traffic) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 5 19:18:57 2009 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 21:18:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] if only............ And you think you have cooling problems now!!!!!!!! Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 5 20:31:43 2009 From: "Bob Hokanson" To: "Tigers" , "steve wick" Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:30:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] How long? Bring it to Sandpoint on the 16th (Lost in the 50's) and enjoy while it lasts. Bob H (1 of the 2 Tigers from Boundary County) >How long will it take me to get > used to this? > > Steve (in N. Id. and yes, this is just to have some fun and generate > traffic) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 6 09:21:00 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: mark@bradakis.com, alpines@autox.team.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 08:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Alpines] Team.Net status Tiger and Alpine people. recently my conscience got to bothering me. I had taken advantage of being on two mailing list, both the Tiger and the Alpine and yet I had never donated a cent towards the cost of keeping the list active. Its strange that in a short time after I made a paypal donation, I couldn't post to the alpine list. then I get an email explaining why and I immediately wondered if I was alone in not making a donation or if there might be several who, like myself had taken them for granted. I know I look forward to reading every post and when there are none its like going to the fridge and having no beer. its not that I cant live without beer or the list but it sure makes my day better. IF you haven't,then take a minute and send a small or even larger donation to insure the Beam lists continue. best regards, TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 6 16:05:43 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Rollright@aol.com Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 14:30:51 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] if only............ Jim, I kept waiting and waiting for him to release the handbrake. He did show the way to mount it on a Tiger, only the cars behind you better not get too close. ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Rollright@aol.com wrote: > Hey, > > If only I could fit this in a Tiger............................ > > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d4HQ8ZM_2k&feature=related) > > > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 6 20:36:51 2009 From: To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:41:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Dual wire style hose clamps Does anyone have a source for these ? One is visible on this car currently for sale. It is my understanding that they are the correct style for all Tiger hoses. http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/1/2/5/4/7/8/webimg/260732437_tp.jpg Thanks Steve B9473720 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 6 22:07:59 2009 From: michael king To: sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:43:09 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dual wire style hose clamps try this supplier: http://www.tractorpart.com/john_deere_cooling_hose_clamp.htm -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 6 22:09:02 2009 From: "Joe Brown" To: , Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:53:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dual wire style hose clamps How about these? http://www.jdheritage.net/DeerelyDeparted/Items/1006.asp Joe -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten@ca.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:42 PM To: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Dual wire style hose clamps Does anyone have a source for these ? One is visible on this car currently for sale. It is my understanding that they are the correct style for all Tiger hoses. http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/1/2/5/4/7/8/webimg/260732437_tp.jpg Thanks Steve B9473720 Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 6 22:56:08 2009 From: "James E. Pickard" To: Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 22:38:49 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Need another photo Could someone kindly send me a photo of the driver's interior kick plate where it meets the front edge of the door? I should have taken more photos when I took the car apart. It looks like I'm missing something. Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 6 23:35:23 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 00:17:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dual wire style hose clamps Steve Most classic Mustang shops have the larger wire clamps, 1 1/4" and bigger but I'm not sure anyone has the smaller wire clamps. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten@ca.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:42 PM To: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Dual wire style hose clamps Does anyone have a source for these ? One is visible on this car currently for sale. It is my understanding that they are the correct style for all Tiger hoses. http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/1/2/5/4/7/8/webimg/260732437_tp.jpg Thanks Steve B9473720 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.20/2100 - Release Date: 05/06/09 17:58:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 00:24:59 2009 From: "Steve Ralsten" To: Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:14:45 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Source for screws, nuts and bolts ? I've seen the great list of parts at Tigers United. I've also heard of the set of all required screws, nuts and bolts that can be purchased in stainless (about $1K). I am however interested in where you guys go to find screws etc on a one at a time as needed basis. I have a terrible time with local stores finding the fine thread, or if I find the fine thread the head is round rather than flat, or if both are right the length is too long or too short. Where do you guys go ? Steve B9473720 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 08:13:58 2009 From: tigerdan@cavtel.net To: rfraser@bluefrog.com,sralsten@ca.rr.com,"Tiger List" Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:44:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dual wire style hose clamps Steve, The early C-2 corvettes used the same dual wire clamps. Look on line for some of their parts suppliers. Dan ------Original Message------ From: Ron Fraser Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net To: sralsten@ca.rr.com To: Tiger List ReplyTo: rfraser@bluefrog.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dual wire style hose clamps Sent: May 7, 2009 12:17 AM Steve Most classic Mustang shops have the larger wire clamps, 1 1/4" and bigger but I'm not sure anyone has the smaller wire clamps. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten@ca.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:42 PM To: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Dual wire style hose clamps Does anyone have a source for these ? One is visible on this car currently for sale. It is my understanding that they are the correct style for all Tiger hoses. http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/1/2/5/4/7/8/webimg/260732437_tp.jpg Thanks Steve B9473720 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.20/2100 - Release Date: 05/06/09 17:58:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 09:17:51 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Steve Ralsten'" , Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:37:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Source for screws, nuts and bolts ? Steve Look for Fastener Supply Shops in your area. I also have a couple of shops in my area that are Au-ve-co dealers which carries most Automotive fasteners. You can also go to the Au-ve-co web site but I'm not sure if you can order from them without being a Dealer. I use to order Au-ve-co fasteners from HC Fastener Co. in Texas. Sometimes you have to buy fasteners in bulk to get a good price, fasteners are always needed. AMK Products has a good selection and I have ordered from Totally Stainless and Camelot Enterprises. There out there you just have to find the right supplier. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Ralsten Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 1:15 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Source for screws, nuts and bolts ? I've seen the great list of parts at Tigers United. I've also heard of the set of all required screws, nuts and bolts that can be purchased in stainless (about $1K). I am however interested in where you guys go to find screws etc on a one at a time as needed basis. I have a terrible time with local stores finding the fine thread, or if I find the fine thread the head is round rather than flat, or if both are right the length is too long or too short. Where do you guys go ? Steve B9473720 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2101 - Release Date: 05/06/09 17:58:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 10:23:00 2009 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: , Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:42:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dual wire style hose clamps Steve, et al, I don't know all the sizes needed for a Tiger, but I notice that the John Deere clamps only go down to 1.5" for a 1" hose. I have three two wire clamps for about a 5/8" hose. They are on the brake booster vacuum hose on my '95 Geo Tracker and are original. One is missing the little washer, but that should be easy to find. The Tracker is far from stock and I don't care about the style of clamps. Steve, you've got first choice since you raised the question. If you want them, just send me an address and I'll put them in the mail. Otherwise, its first come, first serve if any one else wants them. Or you may be able to get them from your local Chevy (sorry) dealer or junkyard. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten@ca.rr.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:42 PM > To: Tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Dual wire style hose clamps > > Does anyone have a source for these ? One is visible on this > car currently for sale. It is my understanding that they are > the correct style for all Tiger hoses. > > http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/1/2/5/4/7/8/webimg/260732437_tp.jpg > > > Thanks > > Steve > B9473720 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 10:23:11 2009 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:53:55 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Mk II Anyone notice the unrestored Mark II on eBay at $40,100 (reserve not met) as of 07:50 PST. RB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 10:23:42 2009 From: "Robin Young" To: "'Steve Ralsten'" , Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:02:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Source for screws, nuts and bolts ? Steve, www.Aircraftspruce.com is a good source for one off buying of fasteners. RObin _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 11:04:40 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, sralsten@ca.rr.com, Tiger List Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 08:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dual wire style hose clamps There is a of wire style hose clapms on epay. Search in sunbeam tiger section. I saw them yesterday I think. TtT --- On Thu, 5/7/09, tigerdan@cavtel.net wrote: From: tigerdan@cavtel.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dual wire style hose clamps To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, sralsten@ca.rr.com, "Tiger List" Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 7:44 AM Steve, The early C-2 corvettes used the same dual wire clamps. Look on line for some of their parts suppliers. Dan ------Original Message------ From: Ron Fraser Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net To: sralsten@ca.rr.com To: Tiger List ReplyTo: rfraser@bluefrog.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dual wire style hose clamps Sent: May 7, 2009 12:17 AM Steve Most classic Mustang shops have the larger wire clamps, 1 1/4" and bigger but I'm not sure anyone has the smaller wire clamps. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten@ca.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:42 PM To: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Dual wire style hose clamps Does anyone have a source for these ? One is visible on this car currently for sale. It is my understanding that they are the correct style for all Tiger hoses. http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/1/2/5/4/7/8/webimg/260732437_tp.jpg Thanks Steve B9473720 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.20/2100 - Release Date: 05/06/09 17:58:00 Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 11:07:42 2009 From: djoh797014@aol.com To: sralsten@ca.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 12:16:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dual wire style hose clamps Not all the clamps were the double wire type.? For example the hose to the thermostat bypass is the typical Ford band clamp and mose were painted with the engine.? The hose to the base of the carb water plate?has screw type clamps with FoMoCo on them.? The fuel line clamps on the filter are not the double wire type. Dave -----Original Message----- From: sralsten@ca.rr.com To: Tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 6 May 2009 9:41 pm Subject: [Tigers] Dual wire style hose clamps Does anyone have a source for these ? One is visible on this car currently for sale. It is my understanding that they are the correct style for all Tiger hoses. http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/1/2/5/4/7/8/webimg/260732437_tp.jpg Thanks Steve B9473720 Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 11:08:52 2009 From: "Jerry" To: "'Steve Ralsten'" , Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:25:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Source for screws, nuts and bolts ? I was able to get any SS bolt I wanted from our local bolt supply, I live in E. TX. With only about 100,000 people not exactly a large town. Another thing when you buy from a "bolt supply" its far far cheaper than your local TureValue, Lowe's, Home Depot, local hardware, etc. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Ralsten Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 12:15 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Source for screws, nuts and bolts ? I've seen the great list of parts at Tigers United. I've also heard of the set of all required screws, nuts and bolts that can be purchased in stainless (about $1K). I am however interested in where you guys go to find screws etc on a one at a time as needed basis. I have a terrible time with local stores finding the fine thread, or if I find the fine thread the head is round rather than flat, or if both are right the length is too long or too short. Where do you guys go ? Steve B9473720 Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 11:09:33 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:51:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Source for screws, nuts and bolts ? Thanks all. Sadly I don't have Ace or True Value anywhere near me. I have OSH (bad) Lowes (worse) Do It Center (still worse) and Home Depot (the pits) I'll have to explore the online stuff or make a 30 mile drive to an Ace. Thanks as well for the hose clamp offers and suggestions. Steve B9473720 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 11:10:00 2009 From: "csx2282" To: , Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:09:51 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Source for screws, nuts and bolts ? Another good source for classic looking fasteners and all things hardware: http://www.mcmaster.com/ Roland _____________________________________________________ Steve, www.Aircraftspruce.com is a good source for one off buying of fasteners. RObin _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 11:54:30 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Steve Ralsten Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 10:54:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Source for screws, nuts and bolts ? Steve R., I don't know where you got that $1,000 price - but: The "Tiger Bolt List" is 5 pages of detailed information compiled by Kirt Jenssen. http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/KJensenBolts/rt-KJensenBolts1.asp It is 5 pages long, and is noted (last page) that complete kits are available at: (Prices at April, 2002) http://www.msc-stainless-fasteners.com/ 1-724-698-7578, New Castle, PA For $144.77 packeged kit. (Prices at April, 2002) and: http://www.totallystainless.com/totally.html 1-800-767-4781 for $79.90 (ask for "Doc") (Prices at April, 2002) - ALSO in PA! As for alternate sources of individual fasteners, I had great luck for many at local boat stores, and some "War Surplus" stores (if they still exist) When in doubt, "SEARCH" at: http://www.tigersunited.com/default.asp ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Ralsten wrote: > I've seen the great list of parts at Tigers United. I've also heard of > the set of all required screws, nuts and bolts > that can be purchased in stainless (about $1K). I am however > interested in where you guys go to find screws etc on a one at a time > as needed basis. I have a terrible time with local stores finding the > fine thread, or if I find the fine thread the head is round rather > than flat, or if both are right the length is too long or too short. > Where do you guys go ? > > Steve > B9473720 ___________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 13:15:16 2009 From: jim@island.net To: Steve Laifman Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 12:14:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Source for screws, nuts and bolts ? I bought the package Totally Stainless a couple years ago... I think it's now around $100 . You just quote the # from the TU article. They said the only reason they don't show it in their catalog is that they didn't compile the list so can't guarantee it... but it is definitely available. I think it's over $100 now, but the problem is that most ( all? ) the bolts are fine thread and most have odd head configuration that most stores will not stock... I've spent many dollars in fuel just going from place to place looking and coming home empty... I think if you only used 1/3 of the fasteners in the kit, it's long paid for itself. Jim B382000446 > Steve R., > > I don't know where you got that $1,000 price - but: > > The "Tiger Bolt List" is 5 pages of detailed information compiled by > Kirt Jenssen. > > http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/KJensenBolts/rt-KJensenBolts1.asp > > It is 5 pages long, and is noted (last page) that complete kits are > available at: (Prices at April, 2002) > > > http://www.msc-stainless-fasteners.com/ > > 1-724-698-7578, New Castle, PA > > For $144.77 packeged kit. > (Prices at April, 2002) > > and: > > http://www.totallystainless.com/totally.html > > 1-800-767-4781 > > for $79.90 (ask for "Doc") > (Prices at April, 2002) - ALSO in PA! > > As for alternate sources of individual fasteners, I had great luck > for many at local boat stores, and some "War Surplus" stores (if > they still exist) > > When in doubt, "SEARCH" at: > > http://www.tigersunited.com/default.asp > > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > Steve Ralsten wrote: >> I've seen the great list of parts at Tigers United. I've also heard of >> the set of all required screws, nuts and bolts >> that can be purchased in stainless (about $1K). I am however >> interested in where you guys go to find screws etc on a one at a time >> as needed basis. I have a terrible time with local stores finding the >> fine thread, or if I find the fine thread the head is round rather >> than flat, or if both are right the length is too long or too short. >> Where do you guys go ? >> >> Steve >> B9473720 > ___________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 13:25:08 2009 From: To: Steve Laifman Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:25:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Source for screws, nuts and bolts ? Maybe its my memory but I recalled discussion on this list that the entire fastener list from TU had been assembled in stainless and was available for just north of $1K. Steve R B9473720 ---- Steve Laifman wrote: > Steve R., > > I don't know where you got that $1,000 price - but: > > The "Tiger Bolt List" is 5 pages of detailed information compiled by > Kirt Jenssen. > > http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/KJensenBolts/rt-KJensenBolts1.asp > > It is 5 pages long, and is noted (last page) that complete kits are available at: (Prices at April, 2002) > > > http://www.msc-stainless-fasteners.com/ > > 1-724-698-7578, New Castle, PA > > For $144.77 packeged kit. > (Prices at April, 2002) > > and: > > http://www.totallystainless.com/totally.html > > 1-800-767-4781 > > for $79.90 (ask for "Doc") > (Prices at April, 2002) - ALSO in PA! > > As for alternate sources of individual fasteners, I had great luck for many at local boat stores, and some "War Surplus" stores (if they still exist) > > When in doubt, "SEARCH" at: > > http://www.tigersunited.com/default.asp > > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > Steve Ralsten wrote: > > I've seen the great list of parts at Tigers United. I've also heard of > > the set of all required screws, nuts and bolts > > that can be purchased in stainless (about $1K). I am however > > interested in where you guys go to find screws etc on a one at a time > > as needed basis. I have a terrible time with local stores finding the > > fine thread, or if I find the fine thread the head is round rather > > than flat, or if both are right the length is too long or too short. > > Where do you guys go ? > > > > Steve > > B9473720 > ___________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 13:30:48 2009 From: "Robert Neeley" To: Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:30:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Source for screws, nuts and bolts ? Since we're on the subject of hardware, any source for hinge pins for the softtop latches and the trunk hinges? These were disassembled for chroming and my pins are a bit (a lot) mangled ... -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Steve Laifman Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 10:54 AM To: Steve Ralsten Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Source for screws, nuts and bolts ? Steve R., I don't know where you got that $1,000 price - but: The "Tiger Bolt List" is 5 pages of detailed information compiled by Kirt Jenssen. http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/KJensenBolts/rt-KJensenBolts1.asp It is 5 pages long, and is noted (last page) that complete kits are available at: (Prices at April, 2002) http://www.msc-stainless-fasteners.com/ 1-724-698-7578, New Castle, PA For $144.77 packeged kit. (Prices at April, 2002) and: http://www.totallystainless.com/totally.html 1-800-767-4781 for $79.90 (ask for "Doc") (Prices at April, 2002) - ALSO in PA! As for alternate sources of individual fasteners, I had great luck for many at local boat stores, and some "War Surplus" stores (if they still exist) When in doubt, "SEARCH" at: http://www.tigersunited.com/default.asp ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Ralsten wrote: > I've seen the great list of parts at Tigers United. I've also heard of > the set of all required screws, nuts and bolts > that can be purchased in stainless (about $1K). I am however > interested in where you guys go to find screws etc on a one at a time > as needed basis. I have a terrible time with local stores finding the > fine thread, or if I find the fine thread the head is round rather > than flat, or if both are right the length is too long or too short. > Where do you guys go ? > > Steve > B9473720 ___________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 13:31:53 2009 From: jim@island.net To: sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 12:31:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Source for screws, nuts and bolts ? I just called 'Totally Stainless' Customer Service: 1.800.767.478 and the complete set of fasteners from the TU tech article ( less the grade 8 ones ) is available as part# 6-9900 for $149.90 Jim B382000446 > Maybe its my memory but I recalled discussion on this list > that the entire fastener list from TU had been assembled > in stainless and was available for just north of $1K. > > Steve R > B9473720 > > > ---- Steve Laifman wrote: >> Steve R., >> >> I don't know where you got that $1,000 price - but: >> >> The "Tiger Bolt List" is 5 pages of detailed information compiled by >> Kirt Jenssen. >> >> http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/KJensenBolts/rt-KJensenBolts1.asp >> >> It is 5 pages long, and is noted (last page) that complete kits are >> available at: (Prices at April, 2002) >> >> >> http://www.msc-stainless-fasteners.com/ >> >> 1-724-698-7578, New Castle, PA >> >> For $144.77 packeged kit. >> (Prices at April, 2002) >> >> and: >> >> http://www.totallystainless.com/totally.html >> >> 1-800-767-4781 >> >> for $79.90 (ask for "Doc") >> (Prices at April, 2002) - ALSO in PA! >> >> As for alternate sources of individual fasteners, I had great luck >> for many at local boat stores, and some "War Surplus" stores (if >> they still exist) >> >> When in doubt, "SEARCH" at: >> >> http://www.tigersunited.com/default.asp >> >> >> ___ >> Steve Laifman >> Editor - TigersUnited.com >> >> >> >> >> Steve Ralsten wrote: >> > I've seen the great list of parts at Tigers United. I've also heard of >> > the set of all required screws, nuts and bolts >> > that can be purchased in stainless (about $1K). I am however >> > interested in where you guys go to find screws etc on a one at a time >> > as needed basis. I have a terrible time with local stores finding the >> > fine thread, or if I find the fine thread the head is round rather >> > than flat, or if both are right the length is too long or too short. >> > Where do you guys go ? >> > >> > Steve >> > B9473720 >> ___________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 13:33:57 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Steve Laifman , jim@island.net Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Source for screws, nuts and bolts ? problem is that most ( all? ) the bolts are fine thread and > most have odd head configuration The remaining fine thread fastners can be given/sold to any harley rider as most everything on a harley is fine thread. My old 73 is 995 stainless and it allows for polishing close to "shiney as chrome"! And $100 or close is a bargain for stainless, fine thread fasteners if it is anywhere close to enou to refit a Tiger- IMHO, perhaps. TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 13:43:22 2009 From: To: jim@island.net, Steve Laifman Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:43:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Source for screws, nuts and bolts ? Well, if it is just north of $100 rather thn just north of $1000 I'm a buyer. The saving in time a gas not to mention aggravation is worth $100. Steve ---- jim@island.net wrote: > I bought the package Totally Stainless a couple years ago... I think > it's now around $100 . You just quote the # from the TU article. They > said the only reason they don't show it in their catalog is that they > didn't compile the list so can't guarantee it... but it is definitely > available. I think it's over $100 now, but the problem is that most ( > all? ) the bolts are fine thread and most have odd head configuration > that most stores will not stock... I've spent many dollars in fuel > just going from place to place looking and coming home empty... I > think if you only used 1/3 of the fasteners in the kit, it's long paid > for itself. > > Jim > B382000446 > > > > > Steve R., > > > > I don't know where you got that $1,000 price - but: > > > > The "Tiger Bolt List" is 5 pages of detailed information compiled by > > Kirt Jenssen. > > > > http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/KJensenBolts/rt-KJensenBolts1.asp > > > > It is 5 pages long, and is noted (last page) that complete kits are > > available at: (Prices at April, 2002) > > > > > > http://www.msc-stainless-fasteners.com/ > > > > 1-724-698-7578, New Castle, PA > > > > For $144.77 packeged kit. > > (Prices at April, 2002) > > > > and: > > > > http://www.totallystainless.com/totally.html > > > > 1-800-767-4781 > > > > for $79.90 (ask for "Doc") > > (Prices at April, 2002) - ALSO in PA! > > > > As for alternate sources of individual fasteners, I had great luck > > for many at local boat stores, and some "War Surplus" stores (if > > they still exist) > > > > When in doubt, "SEARCH" at: > > > > http://www.tigersunited.com/default.asp > > > > > > ___ > > Steve Laifman > > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > > > > > > Steve Ralsten wrote: > >> I've seen the great list of parts at Tigers United. I've also heard of > >> the set of all required screws, nuts and bolts > >> that can be purchased in stainless (about $1K). I am however > >> interested in where you guys go to find screws etc on a one at a time > >> as needed basis. I have a terrible time with local stores finding the > >> fine thread, or if I find the fine thread the head is round rather > >> than flat, or if both are right the length is too long or too short. > >> Where do you guys go ? > >> > >> Steve > >> B9473720 > > ___________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 14:02:37 2009 From: "Kirk Smith" To: Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 13:02:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] dual wire hose clamps I owned several early 80's Subarus while living in the mountains. They used dual wire hose clamps extensively... Kirk B382000503 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 14:26:31 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:25:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk II I just looked since you mentioned it...what a nice machine....I believe every word of what he says about the car, and im usually the skeptic...not crazy about that funky other hood he has in one picture...and unless I missed it, he doesn't really address the hood in his description? that is a nice example to me of an original clean mkII....I will be very interested to see how high the bidding goes....and it probably deserves it. Anyone notice the unrestored Mark II on eBay at $40,100 (reserve not met) as of 07:50 PST. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 18:13:13 2009 From: michael king To: Cullen McCann Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:12:46 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk II > not crazy > about that funky other hood he has in one picture...and unless I missed it, > he > doesn't really address the hood in his description? > He said he obtained a stock sunbeam hood and had it painted in the original green to match -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 18:42:00 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 20:41:38 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger and prices While on the discussion of the MKII on EBay it brings to mind a question. A while back in the discussion of Tiger prices some thought that for a car brand/model to really bring the big bucks that it would have to have some kind of racing history. Suppose that Shelby had done the following: He took 100 Tigers of each of the models....MKI, MKIA and MKII. To each of the 100 at his factory he put in a HiPo 300 HP small block. He upgraded the suspension with different springs, shocks, tires and wheels. To make it appear sleeker he left off the bumperettes, changed the grill, maybe put some small driving lights in the grill like the Shelby Mustang, put on good looking wheels, put on the Cobra rings to replace the Tiger eyebrows, added logos on the front sides and rear that stated "Shelby Tiger". Added the Shelby plate under the hood. And added a few other small touches like racing style steering wheel, different seats, etc. He topped the package off with mufflers that were a little throatier than stock. He sold the package through Ford dealers at a $1,200 premium or about $4,500. Now we know a bunch of these would have gotten raced, but Shelby or Ford never raced them. And he might have had a hard time selling them at that price. With all the thrashing over the years there would probably remain about 150 units today. So, the question is...What would a good original with about 50,000 miles sell for today? Mark L **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 19:30:30 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: michael king Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 20:30:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk II Yeah I saw that...I guess I thought he meant he repainted the smooth hood since the one with the funky scoop isn't stock? Or maybe he meant that he modified a stock hood and then painted it? Sorry I guess I see it now. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 20:41:12 2009 From: "J. Nichols" To: Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 22:41:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Shelby Tiger and prices "Suppose that Shelby had done the following: He took 100 Tigers of each of the models....MKI, MKIA and MKII." If this HYPOthetical story follows the path the 1960's Shelby Mustangs took, then the first 100 would be the hard core performance car like the original 1965 Shelby GT350. This first batch is a no compromise performance car with driver comfort sacrificed for all out speed. The car has stiffened suspension with Koni shocks, aluminum wheels, wide tires, locking differential, traction bars, 4 wheel disc brakes and hipo 289. There are few if any styling changes, perhaps just the wheels and maybe a racing stripe along with the Shelby logo plus hood scoop. The seats are the same but steering wheel is changed to a Shelby Mustang type. . The next 100 would still be performance oriented but made "softer" with some of the hard core racer stuff left out to increase sales. Sort of like the 1966 - 1968 Shelby Mustangs compared to the 1965s. No more locking diff, Koni shocks are gone, traction bars are left behind and drum brakes return on the rear axel but the hipo 289 stays. With this lot of Tigers the bumperettes are left off, fog lamps are mounted, hood scoop , vented hood, racing stripes, chrome head light rings and there are seats with Shelby name imprinted.. The last 100 cars would not be made by Shelby but are assembled by some other factory. The car would still have some performance but nothing like the original 100 cars. The interior will have Shelby logo seats and door panels, Shelby steering wheel, fog lamps, aluminum wheels, larger hood scoop and more vents on the hood, fender vents, lots of stripes, 289 with a 4bl carb, Shelby logos all over the body and a chromed MK II grille. . When there is a car show the owners will argue that the original 100 cars are the "true" Shelby Tigers as Carroll Shelby conceived the car. The next 100 are Shelby Tigers but were compromised to increase sales. And the last 100 are Shelby posers because they were assembled by a third party and are the least performance oriented of the series. Price at auction would be higher for the first 100, less for the second 100 and the least expensive are the last 100 cars. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 20:54:17 2009 From: michael king To: "J. Nichols" Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 12:54:02 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Tiger and prices What, I thought this was all true.. I mean there is that guy on ebay who sells the "Shelby Sunbeam Tiger/Cobra/GT40" parts all the time.. and i have seen many "Shelby Tigers" they always seem to be asking very high prices.. why dont we just use theirs as a guide? AS A DISCALIMER JUST INCASE>> LARGE AMOUNTS OF SARCASM HAVE BEEN USED ABOVE!!! -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 8 11:52:18 2009 From: rab65tiger@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 13:51:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Water Pump and timing covers Does anyone know if you can swap?the thinner 289/ 302 timing cover and utilize the corresponding thicker water pump with the backing plate for the original thicker 260 timing pump cover and the thinner water pump without backing plate (hi-po style water pump).? Getting the passenger side outlet is not a problem, and the different diameter on the pulley shafts do not seem to be a major issue.? Curious if anyone has dobe this swap, or knows what the +/- delta would be on the distance from the block to the pulley face? Randy B _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 8 11:58:59 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: michael.s.king@gmail.com, jxnichols@sbcglobal.net Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 13:58:22 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Tiger and prices , michael.s.king@gmail.com writes: What, I thought this was all true.. I mean there is that guy on ebay who sells the "Shelby Sunbeam Tiger/Cobra/GT40" parts all the time.. and i have seen many "Shelby Tigers" they always seem to be asking very high prices.. why dont we just use theirs as a guide? Michael King Oh it is true except that there were only 5 built rather than the 300 mentioned. A friend and I picked up 3 of them about 25 years ago. We have them stuck in a barn in New Hampshire. There is no telling if the other 2 ever survived. Since none have come up for sale in 40 years, one would have to assume that they are long gone. We are trying to figure if this is the right time to introduce maybe one or two of ours to the market and what they might bring. That was the purpose of the original post. M **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 8 13:18:34 2009 From: "John Dillman" To: Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:17:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk II The green one on ebay with the two hoods has been discussed here recently. . . in a most complimentary fashion .. . Maybe I am missing it, but after the bold "NO RUST" claim in the description, I was shocked at how much, well, RUST there was underneath. Surface rust, probably, but rust. . . Or maybe I am mistaken and it was Ferric Oxide, and not rust at all ;) . .. That was enough for me to pretty much reject everything else in the description, expect perhaps that the car is green. John Dillman _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 8 13:29:05 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:27:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk II Hey John, I agree...I did compliment the car....I think you bring up a good point...funny how descriptions of condition can have such a different meaning to different people....standards for what is considered "rusty" is definitely a matter of opinion or perspective...like so many other things discussed on this outlet. "Surface rust" for me has never constituted "rust". I guess I don't worry about rust until its rusted "through" or even until the structural integrity of the metal is gone...but I have never been able to afford to purchase the cars out there that were as clean on bottom as they are on top...but I completely see your thought. just for me, the areas that look crusty and even orange underneath...dont look rusty. if I cant see daylight from one side to the other, it usually strikes me as a car with potential...or even with holes in the rockers...I usually see the potential. I just try to keep thinking that like most cars, these little roadsters were built to last 50+ years...I guess I don't see original cars that look any cleaner than this one...at least not here in oklahoma...maybe out in southern cal or arizona things might be a bit different... but your also talking to a guy who brought a tiger back from the dead that probably most people would have scrapped, even today... just a thought, not a disagreement, just a perspective... Cullen The green one on ebay with the two hoods has been discussed here recently. . . in a most complimentary fashion .. . Maybe I am missing it, but after the bold "NO RUST" claim in the description, I was shocked at how much, well, RUST there was underneath. Surface rust, probably, but rust. . . Or maybe I am mistaken and it was Ferric Oxide, and not rust at all ;) . .. That was enough for me to pretty much reject everything else in the description, expect perhaps that the car is green. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 8 13:29:18 2009 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: John.Dillman@PUBLICANS.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:26:34 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk II I'd suggest that surface rust and rust from the inside out are two different items... But, I also don't see that much in the Mk II to get super excited about. It is another tweener car, not nice enough to drive, as is, but tempting to not go overboard with restoration...but, probably falling out on the total resto side, to be happy with it. In that case, you've got at least $70-80,000 into a $50,000 car. In a message dated 5/8/2009 12:19:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, John.Dillman@PUBLICANS.com writes: The green one on ebay with the two hoods has been discussed here recently. . . in a most complimentary fashion .. . Maybe I am missing it, but after the bold "NO RUST" claim in the description, I was shocked at how much, well, RUST there was underneath. Surface rust, probably, but rust. . . Or maybe I am mistaken and it was Ferric Oxide, and not rust at all ;) . .. That was enough for me to pretty much reject everything else in the description, expect perhaps that the car is green. John Dillman Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 8 13:35:54 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 12:35:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk II I think the meaning of rust is relative to the location one resides in. To a lot of people "rust through" is equated as rust, and rust (seemingly no matter how severe) that hasn't gone "through" has an unstated term. Ironically "rust through" is in essence "No rust" because of its absence. To the sellers credit he did post the pictures. If that is worth a 1000 words then after "No Rust" we can have 998 words to describe what we actually see. :-) Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 8 13:53:49 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 12:53:44 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Top Gear and Beaulieu Tigers, Just received my Beaulieu news letter (Britain's National Motor Museum) announcing a special showing of Top Gear cars. If you are there then, or any other time, this is the "must see" venue for enthusiasts. Here is a link to their announcement: http://www.beaulieu.co.uk/templates/ld_templates/layout_59439.aspx?ObjectId=60405 -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 8 13:54:56 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:54:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Pump and timing covers Randy This should be a no brainer swap; I would think you just need to use the MK II numbers for the placement of the water pump flange for the fan. I would set it up first and check where the flange needs to be just in case there is a difference in where the alternator vs. generator pulley location. Once satisfied with the belt alignment; also check for any possible interference with the parts you have then put it together for good. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rab65tiger@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 1:51 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Water Pump and timing covers Does anyone know if you can swap?the thinner 289/ 302 timing cover and utilize the corresponding thicker water pump with the backing plate for the original thicker 260 timing pump cover and the thinner water pump without backing plate (hi-po style water pump).? Getting the passenger side outlet is not a problem, and the different diameter on the pulley shafts do not seem to be a major issue.? Curious if anyone has dobe this swap, or knows what the +/- delta would be on the distance from the block to the pulley face? Randy B No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2104 - Release Date: 05/08/09 06:34:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 8 14:21:44 2009 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: , Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:21:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Pump and timing covers Randy, et al, I can't answer your specific question, but, if you are trying to save space, there is a way to save an inch and a half in engine length. Swapping to a late model 5.0 Explorer or '94-'95 5.0 Mustang serpentine belt drive is supposed to give you a 27" length from the back of the block to the front of the accessory pullies. The key elements are the timing cover, the reverse rotation water pump and a four bolt crankshaft damper with a shorter length serpentine pulley. A little fabrication would be needed to change the alternator/generator bracket to move it back and switch it to a serpentine pulley and craft an idler/adjustment pulley on the left side of the engine to reverse the water pump rotation, but the parts shouldn't be too expensive. There is an Explorer timing cover on Ebay now with an opening bid of $.99 and Buy It Now of $15.00. It's the one you would need with a recessed area for the water pump impeller, rather than being flat. Or you could buy the $67.95 new one! Of course, this all assumes there is nothing to prevent using a different crankshaft damper and pulley and I don't have a Tiger here it check that out right now. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rab65tiger@aol.com > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 12:51 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Water Pump and timing covers > > Does anyone know if you can swap?the thinner 289/ 302 timing > cover and utilize the corresponding thicker water pump with > the backing plate for the original thicker 260 timing pump > cover and the thinner water pump without backing plate (hi-po > style water pump).? Getting the passenger side outlet is not > a problem, and the different diameter on the pulley shafts do > not seem to be a major issue.? Curious if anyone has dobe > this swap, or knows what the +/- delta would be on the > distance from the block to the pulley face? > > Randy B > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 8 15:31:15 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: "A. C. Tynes" , rab65tiger@aol.com, Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Pump and timing covers If you want to go this route also check out the www.gt40s.com site and do a search. I think the part number have been flushed out. I also recall a non-reverse rotation pump, but not sure. I think you can also find other solutions such as remote electric pumps that work well for some of the guys running them if your willing to forgo the use of your mechanical fan. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: A. C. Tynes To: rab65tiger@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009 1:21:28 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Pump and timing covers Randy, et al, I can't answer your specific question, but, if you are trying to save space, there is a way to save an inch and a half in engine length. Swapping to a late model 5.0 Explorer or '94-'95 5.0 Mustang serpentine belt drive is supposed to give you a 27" length from the back of the block to the front of the accessory pullies. The key elements are the timing cover, the reverse rotation water pump and a four bolt crankshaft damper with a shorter length serpentine pulley. A little fabrication would be needed to change the alternator/generator bracket to move it back and switch it to a serpentine pulley and craft an idler/adjustment pulley on the left side of the engine to reverse the water pump rotation, but the parts shouldn't be too expensive. There is an Explorer timing cover on Ebay now with an opening bid of $.99 and Buy It Now of $15.00. It's the one you would need with a recessed area for the water pump impeller, rather than being flat. Or you could buy the $67.95 new one! Of course, this all assumes there is nothing to prevent using a different crankshaft damper and pulley and I don't have a Tiger here it check that out right now. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rab65tiger@aol.com > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 12:51 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Water Pump and timing covers > > Does anyone know if you can swap?the thinner 289/ 302 timing > cover and utilize the corresponding thicker water pump with > the backing plate for the original thicker 260 timing pump > cover and the thinner water pump without backing plate (hi-po > style water pump).? Getting the passenger side outlet is not > a problem, and the different diameter on the pulley shafts do > not seem to be a major issue.? Curious if anyone has dobe > this swap, or knows what the +/- delta would be on the > distance from the block to the pulley face? > > Randy B > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 8 20:38:42 2009 From: Dick Barker To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 19:13:59 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Tiger and prices On Friday, May 8, 2009 Cool TV\\VT@ aol.com wrote: >A friend and I picked up 3 of them about 25 years ago. We have them stuck in a barn in New Hampshire. There is no telling if the other 2 ever survived. < I have the other 2. Dick _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 8 21:46:49 2009 From: jim@island.net To: Dick Barker Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 20:18:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Tiger and prices I just purchased one from Nigeria... it hasn't actually arrived yet, but I paid for it in full so it should be here any day now as the air freight shipping was free... The seller has -50 feedback on e-bay but he assures me that it was all a misunderstanding... OMG... does that mean one of YOURS is a clone...??!! ;) Jim > On Friday, May 8, 2009 Cool TV\\VT@ aol.com wrote: > >> A friend and I picked up 3 of them about 25 years ago. > We have them stuck in a barn in New Hampshire. There is no telling if the > other 2 ever survived. < > > I have the other 2. > Dick > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 9 05:28:40 2009 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 07:05:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] eBay Mark II As to how desirable this Mark II was, the high bid was $46,600. The fact that the reserve wasn't met is small consolation. Some folks, and I'm one, like an unmolested, original car, and we're not the least bit scared off by the rust we saw in the pictures. The thing to remember is that neither this car or the Commodore Blue one on eBay two years ago are historic cars, and yet they fetched bids of $46,600 and $59,000 respectively just for being nice original cars. Good news for prospective sellers, not so good for hopeful Mark II buyers. Rande _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 9 06:15:10 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: rande@thecia.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 07:51:11 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] eBay Mark II But what should one do with a car like this? Drive it with the surface rust? The rust is not going to stop. If you begin repainting is it still then a "survivor"? In a message dated 5/9/2009 7:28:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rande@thecia.net writes: As to how desirable this Mark II was, the high bid was $46,600. The fact that the reserve wasn't met is small consolation. Some folks, and I'm one, like an unmolested, original car, and we're not the least bit scared off by the rust we saw in the pictures. The thing to remember is that neither this car or the Commodore Blue one on eBay two years ago are historic cars, and yet they fetched bids of $46,600 and $59,000 respectively just for being nice original cars. Good news for prospective sellers, not so good for hopeful Mark II buyers. Rande Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 9 07:16:42 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 07:48:16 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] SUNI shakdown trip complete..... .....not without its drama. 1440 miles round trip from Fort Leavenworth, KS to Round Rock, TX and back. Got through charging issues on the way down. On the way back, 100% sure my instrument voltage stabilizer lost its smoke so I had high reading fuel and temp gauges. I have also developed a loud growl at ~50 mph, I believe it is a rear bearing or two. Finally (I hope), blew out one of the mufflers. WHAT FUN! Some pictures - http://e28-535i.com/upload/trip1_1.jpg Waiting on a voltage regulator to arrive in Lawrence, KS. Lots of rain. http://e28-535i.com/upload/trip2.jpg Somewhere on the way down to TX. Temp was not that high - experienced an overcharge/volt condition from the new (crap) voltage regulator. http://e28-535i.com/upload/trip3.jpg Yesterday at Andy Walker shop. Dropped in for an hour to cool off and see his great cars. Thanks Andy! I am looking forward to the Trip to Suni next month. I have work to do (again) before that though. Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 9 11:49:16 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 12:11:46 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Stinkin PITA job...rear bearings So I have checked the archives and the workshop manual and the rear bearings look to be a major PITA to change. The rear axle was recently off the car for a diff change and I can only assume that he did not check the outer bearings. Few questions - 1. How do I check to make sure the axle bearing are bad? 2. Where do I get said bearings and spacers (SS does not list them)? 3. Has anyone used a rental puller for the axle shafts, if so, which one? 4. Who is a good source to remove and press on the bearings to the shafts? I just wanted to wash the car and do fun aesthetic things before SUNI.....not so much. TIA and who want to travel to Fort Leavenworth to help me ;>) Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 9 12:55:42 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Samouce's'" , Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 14:55:23 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stinkin PITA job...rear bearings Duke SS lists the parts under Rear end parts; bearings, gaskets, shims and seals. You need a robust puller most of the time for these axles. I thought there was an article posted here about a puller someone made and put the drawings online. Here is an email from Theo that I think covers the puller. Hi all, Just in case anyone is struggling (or is about to) with pulling the hubs on their rear axle I'd like to remind you of Dan Walters' excellent article on the Tigers United website at . I built a much-inferior imitation of his puller in a couple of evenings on my milling machine, but it was still good enough that I got a hub off in less than 20 minutes from the time I rolled the jack under the car. Admittedly, that was the second hub, and I rebuilt the puller's hub plate between doing the first and the second hubs, but neither one required any hammering, prying, or scary torque application on the hub flange. Thanks, Dan, for publishing your hub puller design. Theo I think you can jack the axle up and slowly turn the wheel and hear the bearing growling at you. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Samouce's Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:12 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Stinkin PITA job...rear bearings So I have checked the archives and the workshop manual and the rear bearings look to be a major PITA to change. The rear axle was recently off the car for a diff change and I can only assume that he did not check the outer bearings. Few questions - 1. How do I check to make sure the axle bearing are bad? 2. Where do I get said bearings and spacers (SS does not list them)? 3. Has anyone used a rental puller for the axle shafts, if so, which one? 4. Who is a good source to remove and press on the bearings to the shafts? I just wanted to wash the car and do fun aesthetic things before SUNI.....not so much. TIA and who want to travel to Fort Leavenworth to help me ;>) Duke B382002037 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.22/2105 - Release Date: 05/09/09 06:54:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 9 13:12:45 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 15:11:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Penetrants I recently tried some of the 50-50 ATF and acetone and I have been pleasantly pleased with the results. I had never heard of this combination before so I tried it on a frozen brake drum and after about 15 min. the drum broke loose from the axle. I was only Appling some force to the drum and tapping it with a lead hammer. I next tried it on a stuck bleeder valve; after 5 min the valve would not turn so I applied some heat with a propane torch for about 5 min and the valve turned. A positive note here is that the ATF did not flare up it just bubbled some as apposed to WD-40 and others that will burn at the touch of a torch. My guess here is that the acetone spreads quickly everywhere to evaporate and it draws the ATF with it which provides some lubrication or at least breaks the bond that is holding the parts together. My vote here is that it is worth a try. Thanks John Logan for that information. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carmods@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:51 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Penetrants The following may be of interest to those doing restorations. John Logan Machinist's Workshop magazine tested penetrants for break out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment. The results are as follows; Penetrating oil..... Average load None ..................... 516 pounds WD-40 .................. 238 pounds PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds Liquid Wrench ..... 127 pounds Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix....53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000002) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.54/2056 - Release Date: 04/13/09 05:51:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 9 13:27:32 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 12:27:08 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stinkin PITA job...rear bearings A couple of things and methods of checking: If you live where there is a hill cut the engine and coast down. Hopefully there is not a cop around, - weave side to side. What you are doing is loading and unloading the wheel bearings. See if you detect a sound and where it is coming from. This can sometimes be helpful in detecting a bearing gone bad. The other thing is get the car up to speed where you hear the noise. Hopefully the exhaust is quiet enough to hear. At speed gently back on and off the throttle (say..., 2 second on, 2 seconds off). If the rear end noise changes then likely it is the gears rather than the wheel bearing. While I hope Ron is right (99.9999999999% of the time he is) the shims I believe SS sells are for the pinion and carrier settings, not for the axle endplay adjustment. As I recall the axle shims were not available when I inquired about 6-8 years ago. The SS site shows #8 as the shims and that is located not at the end, but the center of the illustration. I believe the critical thing is that there is "some" play so the bearings aren't loaded full time. I reused my shims and either reused or made my own gaskets. In the end I have .004 or so end play. I won't discourage you with my tails of whoa regarding getting the axles out and the hubs off other than to say I wish you the best. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 9 14:35:20 2009 From: Terry Packer To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 13:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Need Advice - Where to List Alpine 4 Sale? I recently met a local, elderly couple interested in selling their Alpine. I offered to inquire about Sunbeam clubs who might pass the word to their members or who might have newsletters where they would be allowed to post a "For Sale" ad. Car is located near Pismo Beach, CA. I have no financial or other interest in this car. Just trying to do this couple a good turn and hopefully match their car up with a new owner. Any suggestions or name/contact information will be appreciated. Thanks Terry Packer 9470018 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 9 15:20:34 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 14:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stinkin PITA job...rear bearings Duke- a member recently changed axle bearings himself and as Im in the process, i ask him how he went bout it. I had responded to his request for a how to press the bearing on with putting the bearing in the kitchen oven and the axle in his deepfreeze and they wold almost fall on. he replied that he follwed my thought except he boiled the bearings in water while the axle was in the freezer and then used the old race and a pice of pipe to aid the bearing going on- it did with ease according the his email. I too plan on replacing or repacking my axle bearings and have my hubs removed but havent pulled either axle. The drivers side hub was a bear but the passenger came off fairly easy. the right puller is a must have tool. The Dan walters post shows an excellent puller but I was able to use a puller a friend had. I was just lucky he had bought out a place that had several style pullers and one did work for the Tiger hub. good luck, TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 9 22:47:11 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 21:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stinkin PITA job...rear bearings Duke and others- I was telling a friend about using the oven vs boiling water and the deep freeze to aid in axle bearing replacement when he remined me how we used to install couplinggs on large belt drives in coal mine prep plants. I guess as my age rises my memory looses--- anyway,during my millwright years we often installed couplings that had to be heated up enough to slide onto a shaft- many where pretty big and we used a container filled with enough oil to cover the coupling and then used a cutting torch to heat the container and thus the oil and coupling. Im not sure anyones wife wants them boiling oil in the kitchen but in the shop and using the right heat source( torch has to keep moving) it would be easy to heat the bearing enough to aid in replacing it on the axle. Hope this helps someone. TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 9 23:50:17 2009 From: michael king To: CoolVT@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:50:05 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] eBay Mark II 2009/5/9 > But what should one do with a car like this? Drive it with the surface > rust? The rust is not going to stop. If you begin repainting is it still > then a "survivor"? > I think you would just rub the surface rust back and colour match as best as you can (luckily its on the black part on the MKII sills) touch ups are not a bad thing.. a complete respray on a car like this would be a shame.. and if you are going to do that i think you would just restore it, but a few touch ups still maintain the majority of the patina and its still all original metal. > > -- > Regards > > Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 10 07:55:44 2009 From: Peter Laurinaitis To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 06:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] eBay Mark II has anyone gotten email replies from the seller? i've emailed him questions and he ignored me. hard to sell a car that way. does anyone know who it is? no phone numbers or email listed in ebay listing unless i missed it. peter _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 10 08:52:26 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:52:16 EDT Subject: [Tigers] EBay air cleaner Wow, did you see the recent air cleaner sale on EBay....$885.00! I think I'll put on a spare and keep the original in my safety deposit box along with the deed to my house. M **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 10 10:09:59 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, CoolVT@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 12:09:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] EBay air cleaner I think an original Tiger is worth more, dollar wise anyway as parts. I plan to keep my parts together, and use them. Steve B9473720 ---- CoolVT@aol.com wrote: > Wow, did you see the recent air cleaner sale on EBay....$885.00! I think > I'll put on a spare and keep the original in my safety deposit box along > with the deed to my house. > M > **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in > the U.S. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 10 10:17:57 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 12:17:46 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Wow, did you see the recent air cleaner sale on EBay....$885.00! I think > I'll put on a spare and keep the original in my safety deposit box along > with the deed to my house. > M (And so that nothing gets damaged in the box, there will be plenty of padding between the air cleaner and the BON) **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 10 10:21:34 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, peter.laurinaitis.wg02@wharton.upenn.edu Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 12:21:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Mk 2 with stuck bonnet ? Not that I have a Mk2 but with the recent talk about this one on ebay and my own recent experience with having to access the backside of the bonnet bolts on my Mk1 I was curious. How in the world would you open a Mk2 hood that had a latch release problem ? You can't get a tool/hand past that eggcrate grill to the bonnet hinge bolts. Being that those grills are rare and expensive you wouldn't want to cut it. Anyone ever have to do that job ? Don't bother to explain that it can't happen because Mk2's have rods not cables. I managed it with a rod release. Steve R B9473720 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 10 10:56:21 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Tony Somebody Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 09:56:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stinkin PITA job...rear bearings TtT, You can read Dan Walter's article, "The Ultimate Hub Puller", on this puller design. http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/WaltersPuller/rt-WaltersHubPuller1.asp If there is something about a Tiger (or Alpine) that Dan Doesn't know, it is not meant to be known by mortal man. Dan was a Past President of CAT, and has other merit worthy articles, such as: "Installing a T-5 in your Tiger" http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/WaltersT5/pt-WaltersT51.asp and his cut on Tiger Cooling: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/WaltersCool/rt-WaltersCool1.asp Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Tony Somebody wrote: > Duke- a member recently changed axle bearings himself and as Im in the process, i ask him how he went bout it. I had responded to his request for a how to press the bearing on with putting the bearing in the kitchen oven and the axle in his deepfreeze and they wold almost fall on. he replied that he follwed my thought except he boiled the bearings in water while the axle was in the freezer and then used the old race and a pice of pipe to aid the bearing going on- it did with ease according the his email. I too plan on replacing or repacking my axle bearings and have my hubs removed but havent pulled either axle. The drivers side hub was a bear but the passenger came off fairly easy. the right puller is a must have tool. The Dan walters post shows an excellent puller but I was able to use a puller a friend had. I was just lucky he had bought out a place that had several style pullers and one did work for the Tiger hub. > good luck, TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 10 11:21:14 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Shipping and Handling I just read an auction from Malibu. I'm not sure who he is but I hope he is a member here. I want to address this email to everyone who buys and sells on EPAY. I think many of us watch the prices and I do occasionally give in to the desire to own another part-- one I prolly have stashed away as is. What brings this about is the auction is for a restored signal light switch but what got my attention was"I never charge for packaging or handling". I think that shows what is a fine example of a Sunbeam person and I think that IF we, as a group, would let other sellers know we are tierd of being ripped off. For example I recently purchased a part from a person who might well also be on this list. The shipping and handling was 8.99 if memory serve- maybe 7.99- anyway, when the small box arrived the postage was 2.50 and the box was a left over item- at least in my opinion I dont believe he bought tha box- inside was a few pieces of newspaper and the part I purchased. The chap did drive to the PO but he also had several items close, so he shipped everything in one trip. Maybe its just me but I feel Im paying him to handle his parts and eventho the item went at a lower cost then he might have paid( no reserve)I'm giving him money for what I feel was him using trash to ship- minus the pieces of scotch tape. I think if we all let Beam parts people know we arent interested in paying such fees, perhaps they will listen. There are two well known sellers who also never charge a cent for handling or packaging. One lives in VA. and the other S.C. they are well known in the TE/AE circles.PLEASE dont get me wrong. if the seller is out money for a crate and or materials, a bubble envelope from the PO etc etc, I want to pay for those items- it is part of the deal BUT a used box, newspapers from last weeks newspaper and 3 pieces of scotch tape dont add up to 5.50 to 6.50 bucks he pocketed under shipping and handling. my two cents worth- your opinions invited. TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 10 11:26:40 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Steve Laifman Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stinkin PITA job...rear bearings Steve- I have read that article and Dan is a fine man who has donated several great reads and his engineering is also above reproach. I have a puller that works- I know as I have my hubs off BUT I would build a puller like Dans if I had the material handy- OH for the days of working mine construction when I had almost any type steel, stainless steel, wire mesh, grating, pecil rod and handrail and all the wlding rods I could burn and then to get paid to build the part while I was at work or have someone in the fab shop to build it for me while I was working. I hope I never complained about my job. thanks for the imput Steve- as usual it is worth noting. TtT --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Steve Laifman wrote: > From: Steve Laifman > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stinkin PITA job...rear bearings > To: "Tony Somebody" > Cc: rfraser@bluefrog.com, "Beamclub" > Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 11:56 AM > TtT, > > You can read Dan Walter's article, "The Ultimate Hub > Puller", on this puller design. > http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/WaltersPuller/rt-WaltersHubPuller1.asp > > If there is something about a Tiger (or Alpine) that Dan > Doesn't know, it is not meant to be known by mortal man. > > Dan was a Past President of CAT, and has other merit worthy > articles, such as: > > "Installing a T-5 in your Tiger" > http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/WaltersT5/pt-WaltersT51.asp > > and his cut on Tiger Cooling: > > http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/WaltersCool/rt-WaltersCool1.asp > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > Tony Somebody wrote: > > Duke- a member recently changed axle bearings himself > and as Im in the process, i ask him how he went bout it. I > had responded to his request for a how to press the bearing > on with putting the bearing in the kitchen oven and the axle > in his deepfreeze and they wold almost fall on. he replied > that he follwed my thought except he boiled the bearings in > water while the axle was in the freezer and then used the > old race and a pice of pipe to aid the bearing going on- it > did with ease according the his email. I too plan on > replacing or repacking my axle bearings and have my hubs > removed but havent pulled either axle. The drivers side hub > was a bear but the passenger came off fairly easy. the right > puller is a must have tool. The Dan walters post shows an > excellent puller but I was able to use a puller a friend > had. I was just lucky he had bought out a place that had > several style pullers and one did work for the Tiger hub. > > good luck, TonytheTiger > > > > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 10 11:56:18 2009 From: Dave Munroe To: sralsten@ca.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net, CoolVT@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:56:12 -0300 Subject: Re: [Tigers] EBay air cleaner This is perhaps a good sign for current Tiger owners: not necessarily for someone with a modest wallet who wants one. In my experience, when original components of collector vehicles begin selling for astronomical prices, it is a sign that fat-wallet investors, not necessarily enthusiast collectors, see the possibility of an imminent and substantial increase in the value of the marque. They may also believe the supply of original parts is drying up. It matters not to these folks what anything costs, if the car they own or are having restored needs an original part, they will pay whatever it takes to obtain it. It is the natural evolution of a collector vehicle's value perceived by those outside the enthusiast group. The sign is that point when the value of the individual parts exceeds the sum of those parts. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] EBay air cleaner >I think an original Tiger is worth more, dollar wise anyway > as parts. I plan to keep my parts together, and use them. > > Steve > B9473720 > > > ---- CoolVT@aol.com wrote: >> Wow, did you see the recent air cleaner sale on EBay....$885.00! I >> think >> I'll put on a spare and keep the original in my safety deposit box along >> with the deed to my house. >> M >> **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in >> the U.S. >> (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 10 12:20:59 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 11:19:15 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shipping and Handling Tony, I understand your point - up to a point. First let me say whenever I sell something on Ebay I always state "the cost will be the actual shipping cost only." I do this because, yes, I hate paying those fees too. However, there is another side. There was a case where I sold an aftermarket intake manifold for a Vega. Checking the completed items I saw most sold in the $100 range. For whatever reason mine only sold for the $9.99 starting price. Kind of a disappointment to say the least. I think most sellers justify their fees for the following reasons: 1. It has been my experience that it takes about an hour to drag out the item, photograph it and get it listed on Ebay. 2. It takes about a half hour to answer questions from perspective buyers and complete the on line transaction. 3. It take about a half hour to fine a suitable (free) box and get the package ready to ship. 4. In my case it takes about 45 minutes to drive to the shipper, stand in line and return home. So, to sell ONE item (the manifold in this case) it took 2 hours and 45 minutes of my time. I spent about $1.50 to sell the item on ebay, about $.50 to package it (tape) and about $1.50 for gas. In the end my gross profit was $6.50. I bought the item in a thrift store about 20 years ago for $6.00. So, now my net profit is all of fifty cents! I'm not trying to justify those fees but am just state why I think they (sellers) do what they do. Their time and materials do cost. There is yet another side to this. I have seen items with a listed inflated shipping cost. Often buyers will stay away because of that. There have been cases where I have bought something below the historic average TOTAL price because in spite of high shipping, I got the item cheap. Cheap enough that when the high shipping was included I still paid less than normal. In essence I beat the seller at his own game. There my be tax issues too. If the seller doesn't have to claim shipping and handling as income (I don't know) they will profit from that. Yes, like you, I don't like it, but I do understand it. And at times I actually come out ahead when buyers are turned away by high shipping therefore keeping the actual cost down. Tom. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 10 14:25:25 2009 From: packertl3@yahoo.com To: Tony Somebody , tigers@autox.team.net, Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 13:21:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Need Advice - Where to List Alpine 4 Sale? Thanks to all who responded with suggestions. It turns out this couple's daughter is computer savvy. So I have forwarded your suggestions to her for further action. However, posting an ad to some of them may require the assistance of a member of that particular site/club. So it is possible some further assistance regarding ad placement may be requested in the future. Thanks in advance if this turns out to be the case. Since I know the owners, I do not want to be in the position of evaluating the condition car. It is more appropriate for that discussion to be between the owners and interested parties. But the basics are that I believe the car to be a 1963 Series II, though I'm not an authority on Alpines. Owners report they are the original owners, having purchased the car new from a dealer in Los Angeles. It has always been the wife's car and she put on most of its 73k original miles. The body appears to be straight and the owners report it has had no accidents. At some time in the past it was repainted red over its original red. If interested, feel free to contact the owner's daughter directly: Darlene@DarleneRoth.com Terry --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: Re: [Tigers] Need Advice - Where to List Alpine 4 Sale? To: "Terry Packer" Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 2:09 PM Terry- start by telling US about it and if not US, then me- Im also a member of the Alpine LIST- I can send it there if you arent on that list. TtT --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Terry Packer wrote: > From: Terry Packer > Subject: [Tigers] Need Advice - Where to List Alpine 4 Sale? > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 3:35 PM > I recently met a local, elderly > couple interested in selling their Alpine. I offered to > inquire about Sunbeam clubs who might pass the word to their > members or who might have newsletters where they would be > allowed to post a "For Sale" ad. Car is located near Pismo > Beach, CA. > > I have no financial or other interest in this car. Just > trying to do this couple a good turn and hopefully match > their car up with a new owner. Any suggestions or > name/contact information will be appreciated. > > Thanks > Terry Packer > 9470018 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 10 14:41:52 2009 From: drmayf To: Thomas Witt Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 13:41:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shipping and Handling No dog in this fight lol. But, it does seem occasionally that the shipping costs are way out of bounds. Usually when the price of the item is relatively cheap. My opinion is that the sellers use a cheap price to evade paying Ebay what the true fee is. Ie if you sel it cheap then you only owe a small fee to ebay. I don't think ebay places the fee on the shipping costs but rather sales price. I could however be wrong.. mayf Thomas Witt wrote: > Tony, > I understand your point - up to a point. First let me say whenever I > sell something on Ebay I always state "the cost will be the actual > shipping cost only." I do this because, yes, I hate paying those fees > too. However, there is another side. > > There was a case where I sold an aftermarket intake manifold for a > Vega. Checking the completed items I saw most sold in the $100 range. > For whatever reason mine only sold for the $9.99 starting price. Kind > of a disappointment to say the least. > > I think most sellers justify their fees for the following reasons: > > 1. It has been my experience that it takes about an hour to drag out > the item, photograph it and get it listed on Ebay. > > 2. It takes about a half hour to answer questions from perspective > buyers and complete the on line transaction. > > 3. It take about a half hour to fine a suitable (free) box and get the > package ready to ship. > > 4. In my case it takes about 45 minutes to drive to the shipper, stand > in line and return home. > > So, to sell ONE item (the manifold in this case) it took 2 hours and > 45 minutes of my time. I spent about $1.50 to sell the item on ebay, > about $.50 to package it (tape) and about $1.50 for gas. In the end > my gross profit was $6.50. I bought the item in a thrift store about > 20 years ago for $6.00. So, now my net profit is all of fifty cents! > > I'm not trying to justify those fees but am just state why I think > they (sellers) do what they do. Their time and materials do cost. > > There is yet another side to this. I have seen items with a listed > inflated shipping cost. Often buyers will stay away because of that. > There have been cases where I have bought something below the historic > average TOTAL price because in spite of high shipping, I got the item > cheap. Cheap enough that when the high shipping was included I still > paid less than normal. In essence I beat the seller at his own game. > > There my be tax issues too. If the seller doesn't have to claim > shipping and handling as income (I don't know) they will profit from > that. > > Yes, like you, I don't like it, but I do understand it. And at times > I actually come out ahead when buyers are turned away by high shipping > therefore keeping the actual cost down. > Tom. _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 10 14:56:44 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Gary Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 13:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shipping and Handling Gary- You are a prime example of what i would like to see sellers use as a baseline. returning the over payment isnt done by many- now all Tiger or Sunbeam people have great example of how to be a 5 star seller and recive my repeat business. TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 10 15:10:55 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Gary Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shipping and Handling I did think the List should see your email so they know what that basline is. See below if the syestem allows the attaachment. we should all insist sellers follow garys lead OR let them eat the parts. I know- you see a part you need or is better than yours and that feeling of I HAVE TO HAVE starts to sneak thru your syestem and now How do I get the wife to understand why I need that part when i promised I had everthong I need- That just never happens IF you own a Tiger- well not to me anyway.TtT --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Gary wrote: > From: Gary > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shipping and Handling > To: "Tony Somebody" > Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 3:26 PM > Tony, > > Thanks for the compliment about being a fine example > for "Never charging for packaging and > handling". I guess I am lucky in that I can get most of > my packing materials out of the dumpster at work. My company > receives a lot of items that come in packages with > excellent cardboard, sponge foam, > styrofoam, bubblewrap, etc. I am adamant about > making sure the items I sell arrive in unmolested condition, > especially a rare, irreplaceable or restored part. I > know how hard people work for their money and they deserve > nothing less. Spending the time 'dumpster diving' > and packing up items and the cost buying packing tape is > just part of doing business in my opinion. Not charging is > for that service is 'good business'. I've > even sent refunds for reduced shipping when I got to the > P.O. and they charged me less. Generally though, I pack > items ahead of time, weigh them and calculate the exact > shipping charge to place in the action. I > want no surprises and neither do the buyers. > > Gary _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 10 15:56:09 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:50:10 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shipping and Handling I agree with Gary's policy and have done the same. But again, I'll temper that with the fact that some people sell as a business, not as someone "cleaning their garage out." Because of the shear volume, they have to buy new boxes rather than scavenge for them. And they have to pay someone to package and take the items to the shipper. In many cases the seller is out buying more items to sell and doesn't have time to package and ship themselves. If the seller "ate" those cost they couldn't be a seller for long. So, different situations apply for sellers. I think it's great people like Gary and I can do what we do to keep cost down, but I don't think it can be expected of everyone. Now, this may seem odd, but three times I've sold something on ebay and it didn't sell for much. As an example, last week I sold a set of 318 heads and a matching 4bbl. intake. It they for the low starting price of $14.99. The buyer felt he had paid so little in comparison to what he was going to bid that he sent me $20. And, as I have said this has happened three times in what I'll guess is about fifty or so transactions that the buyer has sent me MORE than the correct amount. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 10 16:28:21 2009 From: "Curt" To: Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:21:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shipping and Handling I recently sold a bunch of stuff on Ebay and used the automatic shipping price feature. I measured the box, weighed it (without any packing material) and then used that in the Ebay feature. I sold an intake manifold off my Tiger, an aftermarket seat for my Harley, 30 boxes of slide trays, and such. Several of the items sold for abotu $20. Seems like in every case the shipping ( I selected the cheapest option) cost around $20 in the Ebay feature. I ended up paying more ( a buck to about $5) for every item out of pocket. Had I paid for the total shipping cost it would have been easer and certainly cheaper to just toss the stuff in the garbage. I think it is important to be fair. I would expect to get whatever the shipping costs. They get the part for what they bid. The good thing about the shipping feature you can see about what it is going to cost to send it to you. My time of course was unreimbursed, but the time to throw it in the garbage would have been as well and I don't like that option generally if there is someone out there who wanted the items. I was willing to give for the price of the shipping and was happy to get the small "donation" on some of the items. Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Witt" To: Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shipping and Handling >I agree with Gary's policy and have done the same. But again, I'll temper >that with the fact that some people sell as a business, not as someone >"cleaning their garage out." Because of the shear volume, they have to buy >new boxes rather than scavenge for them. And they have to pay someone to >package and take the items to the shipper. In many cases the seller is out >buying more items to sell and doesn't have time to package and ship >themselves. > > If the seller "ate" those cost they couldn't be a seller for long. So, > different situations apply for sellers. I think it's great people like > Gary and I can do what we do to keep cost down, but I don't think it can > be expected of everyone. > > Now, this may seem odd, but three times I've sold something on ebay and > it didn't sell for much. As an example, last week I sold a set of 318 > heads and a matching 4bbl. intake. It they for the low starting price of > $14.99. The buyer felt he had paid so little in comparison to what he was > going to bid that he sent me $20. And, as I have said this has happened > three times in what I'll guess is about fifty or so transactions that the > buyer has sent me MORE than the correct amount. > > Tom _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 10 16:58:34 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, Curt Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shipping and Handling Curt- I dont believe you should hve lost money. If you had put the cost as an approximate and the final shipping to be computed at the close of the auction, you could have still been fair in charging actual shipping and also been fair to yourself and not lost money. My thoughts are directed towards those who knowingly add five or more dollars to shipping. I can afford to bid more if I dont have to pay inflated prices.On the other hand I do see some suctions the seller quotes shipping and I know ot will be higher. I want to pay what he spends- I dont want to pay for more tho. TtT --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Curt wrote: > From: Curt > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shipping and Handling > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 5:21 PM > I recently sold a bunch of stuff on > Ebay and used the automatic shipping price feature. I > measured the box, weighed it (without any packing material) > and then used that in the Ebay feature. I sold an intake > manifold off my Tiger, an aftermarket seat for my Harley, 30 > boxes of slide trays, and such. Several of the items sold > for abotu $20. Seems like in every case the shipping ( I > selected the cheapest option) cost around $20 in the Ebay > feature. I ended up paying more ( a buck to about $5) for > every item out of pocket. Had I paid for the total shipping > cost it would have been easer and certainly cheaper to just > toss the stuff in the garbage. I think it is important to be > fair. I would expect to get whatever the shipping costs. > They get the part for what they bid. The good thing about > the shipping feature you can see about what it is going to > cost to send it to you. My time of course was unreimbursed, > but the time to throw it in the garbage would have > been as well and I don't like that option generally if there > is someone out there who wanted the items. I was willing to > give for the price of the shipping and was happy to get the > small "donation" on some of the items. > > > Curt > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Witt" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 5:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shipping and Handling > > > > I agree with Gary's policy and have done the > same. But again, I'll temper that with the fact that > some people sell as a business, not as someone "cleaning > their garage out." Because of the shear volume, they > have to buy new boxes rather than scavenge for them. And > they have to pay someone to package and take the items to > the shipper. In many cases the seller is out buying more > items to sell and doesn't have time to package and ship > themselves. > > > > If the seller "ate" those cost they couldn't be > a seller for long. So, different situations apply for > sellers. I think it's great people like Gary and I can > do what we do to keep cost down, but I don't think it can be > expected of everyone. > > > > Now, this may seem odd, but three times I've > sold something on ebay and it didn't sell for much. As > an example, last week I sold a set of 318 heads and a > matching 4bbl. intake. It they for the low starting price of > $14.99. The buyer felt he had paid so little in comparison > to what he was going to bid that he sent me $20. And, > as I have said this has happened three times in what I'll > guess is about fifty or so transactions that the buyer has > sent me MORE than the correct amount. > > > > Tom _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 10 17:43:32 2009 From: michael king To: CoolVT@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:33:45 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Air Cleaner thats not to bad a price.. if you think back about 12-18 moths they were clearing 1K 2009/5/11 > Wow, did you see the recent air cleaner sale on EBay....$885.00! I think > > I'll put on a spare and keep the original in my safety deposit box along > > > with the deed to my house. > > M > > (And so that nothing gets damaged in the box, there will be plenty of > padding between the air cleaner and the BON) > > > **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in > the U.S. > ( > http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002 > ) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 10 17:58:33 2009 From: "spook01" To: , , Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:49:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Tiger and prices what about the original Shelby Tigers that were built with aluminum 427's - originally - and were to be raced at Le Mans, missing the race only becuase Shelby came down with asian kung poi chicken flu at the time? My friends and I bought all 3 of these original units and stored them in vacuum packed crates after only driving them home. we were thinking of introducing them as well, just to test the waters, so to speak. Maybe at RM or at Pebble. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Tiger and prices >, michael.s.king@gmail.com writes: > > What, > > I thought this was all true.. I mean there is that guy on ebay who sells > the "Shelby Sunbeam Tiger/Cobra/GT40" parts all the time.. and i have > seen > many "Shelby Tigers" they always seem to be asking very high prices.. why > dont we just use theirs as a guide? > Michael King > > > Oh it is true except that there were only 5 built rather than the 300 > mentioned. A friend and I picked up 3 of them about 25 years ago. > We have them stuck in a barn in New Hampshire. There is no telling if > the > other 2 ever survived. Since none have come up for sale in 40 years, one > would have to assume that they are long gone. We are trying to figure if > this is the right time to introduce maybe one or two of ours to the > market > and what they might bring. That was the purpose of the original post. > M > > > > > > > **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 10 21:04:10 2009 From: achd73@yahoo.com To: Tony Someone Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay shipping cost This is my last post about ebay. I wrote this earlier but a few days ago we had a hurricane- for real- in the midwest- and my cable modem has been up and then down, on and off ever since. NEways, I was looking at new items on ebay and-----------well read about it. There is a glove box surround on ebay. Recently listed and shipping from Southern Ca. Shipping cost are unreal to me at a mere $21.90 Can anyone convince me the seller wont make at least ten and maybe twelve bucks profit on shipping. If you are a member here, you should be shot. Please dont represent yourself as a Sunbeam enthusiast but more like a thief. Of course that's my opinion. Try another auction by the same seller. A bell housing for a tiger- you furnish the missing parts and pay shipping of more than $88.I know cost are up but I recently shipped two Tiger wheels in one box for less than $50 and they went from Southern IL. to south Fla. Figure a mere $30 plus profit on shipping. Either it changes or I begin selling at the same exorbiant shipping prices. I really do need the money. Im teasing- not about needing the money- I couldnt sleep for fear God would get me while I was asleep. One day he will answer for his actions- I HOPE. TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 12 19:59:21 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 0:28:37 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust systems? Well, I have blown a hole in one of my mufflers and the pipe from the downpipes to the mufflers looks bad too. So I was looking for some advice. I could go to a local muffler shop and have them install new pipe from the down pipes to the muffler and replace the mufflers. Or I could but a system made for the Tiger. Any info in the SS system for stock Tigers? Itbs just shy of $600b&lot of money! Are there any other complete systems out there that DO NOT need headers? Thanks so much. Please respond to wellington.samouce@us.army.mil, I am on the road again. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 12 23:13:38 2009 From: "Mike Michels" To: "Dave Munroe" , , Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:13:28 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] EBay air cleaner Somewhere, somebody has to be able to make replica steel air cleaners for these kinds of prices. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Munroe" To: ; ; Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] EBay air cleaner > This is perhaps a good sign for current Tiger owners: not necessarily for > someone with a modest wallet who wants one. > > In my experience, when original components of collector vehicles begin > selling for astronomical prices, it is a sign that fat-wallet investors, > not necessarily enthusiast collectors, see the possibility of an imminent > and substantial increase in the value of the marque. They may also believe > the supply of original parts is drying up. It matters not to these folks > what anything costs, if the car they own or are having restored needs an > original part, they will pay whatever it takes to obtain it. > > It is the natural evolution of a collector vehicle's value perceived by > those outside the enthusiast group. The sign is that point when the value > of the individual parts exceeds the sum of those parts. > > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] EBay air cleaner > > >>I think an original Tiger is worth more, dollar wise anyway >> as parts. I plan to keep my parts together, and use them. >> >> Steve >> B9473720 >> >> >> ---- CoolVT@aol.com wrote: >>> Wow, did you see the recent air cleaner sale on EBay....$885.00! I >>> think >>> I'll put on a spare and keep the original in my safety deposit box along >>> with the deed to my house. >>> M >>> **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in >>> the U.S. >>> (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Tigers@autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >>> >>> http://www.team.net/archive >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 12 23:22:16 2009 From: michael king To: Mike Michels Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:21:31 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] EBay air cleaner i looked into doing a run in original tin and also in stainless steel a few years back.. issue is you need to make a stamp.. the more you have to make the higher qaulity the stamp has to be and more expensive. Prices on these range from 500-1000 depending on condition and how many people bid on them ina given auction.. if you do run of them you have to look at them costing about 300+ each to make, you will need to make at least 10... and you are not going to be able to sell them all in 1 go.. so you are sitting on 3K of aircleaner housings. A member in our club in AU did some in fibreglass that externally looked correct.. but i believ even those were hard to move. The you have the alloy "tiger" aftermarket ones that look like LAT rocker covers.. these were bringing silly money too for a while. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 13 04:33:24 2009 From: spmdr@juno.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 03:31:21 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Shelby 427 Tiger The reality is, with Shelby still alive and the readily available parts, an all aluminium 427(Windsor) Shelby Tiger is VERY doable. ...If not Ideal... And, of course, it would be ...an original...Shelby...! ...Be careful what you ask (dream) for! ...so, let's see, that means being able to light up the tires in all SIX ( with a little cutting) gears! ...is THIS a GREAT country or WHAT?! DW ____________________________________________________________ Click now for prescreened plumbing contractors. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTRHJCI5NWlfPD8tcpt98YwBJjDk3XL1sHbpp94MazEeounCEzEY6E/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 13 06:43:52 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 08:42:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust systems? Ask the muffler shop if they can order stainless steel pipe and bend you a system. I did this a number of years ago. I took the Tiger to a friends shop to fix stress cracks at the rear spring perch and he was talking to another customer about bending an exhaust system from SS. That caught my ear and I had him do the same for the Tiger. It was about 1/2 the cost. Check into it see if someone in your area will give you a quote. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wsamouce@kc.rr.com Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:29 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Cc: wellington.samouce@us.army.mil Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust systems? Well, I have blown a hole in one of my mufflers and the pipe from the downpipes to the mufflers looks bad too. So I was looking for some advice. I could go to a local muffler shop and have them install new pipe from the down pipes to the muffler and replace the mufflers. Or I could but a system made for the Tiger. Any info in the SS system for stock Tigers? Itbs just shy of $600b&lot of money! Are there any other complete systems out there that DO NOT need headers? Thanks so much. Please respond to wellington.samouce@us.army.mil, I am on the road again. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.323 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 07:02:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 13 07:02:20 2009 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: , Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:02:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Exhaust systems? I wanted a stock-appearing 1 3/4" exhaust that still flowed reasonably well. I had a system built around this Dynomax turbo muffler below. The lightly breathed-on 289 in this car puts out a very friendly 255 HP at the rear wheels, and the exhaust has just enough bark to be enjoyable without rattling the neighbor's windows. http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=WLK%2D177 71&N=700+4294923429+4294922711+4294922710+400358+115&autoview=sku Most good exhaust shops can fab up anything you need, I had them make and weld the rear hanger straps, then I painted them myself with high-temp paint before they assembled the system. Total cost was around $350. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wsamouce@kc.rr.com Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:29 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Cc: wellington.samouce@us.army.mil Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust systems? Well, I have blown a hole in one of my mufflers and the pipe from the downpipes to the mufflers looks bad too. So I was looking for some advice. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 13 09:13:23 2009 From: To: Mike Michels , michael king Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:09:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] EBay air cleaner I think I agree with you. Many Tiger owners build modified cars because thats what they want. I think most of those don't really give a hoot about a stock or stock looking aircleaner. Many Tiger owners strive to be as factory original as they can. Those guys will still seek out and pay extra to have the real thing rather than a look alike. Steve B9473720 ---- michael king wrote: > i looked into doing a run in original tin and also in stainless steel a few > years back.. issue is you need to make a stamp.. the more you have to make > the higher qaulity the stamp has to be and more expensive. Prices on these > range from 500-1000 depending on condition and how many people bid on them > ina given auction.. if you do run of them you have to look at them costing > about 300+ each to make, you will need to make at least 10... and you are > not going to be able to sell them all in 1 go.. so you are sitting on 3K of > aircleaner housings. > > A member in our club in AU did some in fibreglass that externally looked > correct.. but i believ even those were hard to move. The you have the alloy > "tiger" aftermarket ones that look like LAT rocker covers.. these were > bringing silly money too for a while. > -- > Regards > > Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 13 09:35:26 2009 From: "Lynn Wall" To: Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:35:20 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] GT quarter window escutcheons All, I have for sale a set of GT quarter window escutcheons that are PERFECT. They are just back from the Christianson's Chrome shop and are flawless. Christiansons is probably one of the best, if not the best, chrome shop on the west coast. Much of the chrome at pebble beach comes out of this shop. These are hard to come by and during the restoration of my MK1A I purchased a set of new bronze castings done by Steve Alcala. This is the set I have for sale. The castings done by Steve are pretty good to begin with but still required an enormous amount of effort to get perfect prior to chroming. I sanded and sanded then sent to a polisher to get perfect, fit them to my quarter windows and only when all that was done I sent them to the chrome shop. These fit Alpine GTs, MK1A and MKII (I think that is all) If you need a set for your restoration please contact me offline. While they are expensive I am asking less than I was told they were worth. Lynn _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 13 19:01:41 2009 From: spook01@comcast.net To: spmdr@juno.com Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 01:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby 427 Tiger dunno. that shelby daytona 4 cylinder dodge didn't work so well....... ----- Original Message ----- From: spmdr@juno.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:31:21 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Tigers] Shelby 427 Tiger The reality is, with Shelby still alive and the readily available parts, an all aluminium 427(Windsor) Shelby Tiger is VERY doable. ...If not Ideal... And, of course, it would be ...an original...Shelby...! ...Be careful what you ask (dream) for! ...so, let's see, that means being able to light up the tires in all SIX ( with a little cutting) gears! ...is THIS a GREAT country or WHAT?! B B DW ____________________________________________________________ Click now for prescreened plumbing contractors. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTRHJCI5NWlfPD8tcpt98YwBJjDk 3XL1sHbpp94MazEeounCEzEY6E/ Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 13 23:06:22 2009 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "spook01@comcast.net" , "spmdr@juno.com" Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 01:06:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby 427 Tiger Hey! Careful now with the Dodge/Shelby Charger Daytona bashing! We (the original driver, Chris Thoman, and myself) are currently re-commissioning the 2.2 liter Dodge Charger that held its class record of 199.0something mph back in the early nineties at Bonneville. This car ran both naturally aspirated and turbocharged motors at various times. With a naturally aspirated motor it ran at over 149 mph. Currently, the car is in for paint in its original colors. We will be testing at El Mirage in June and returning the car to Bonneville in August. This car was originally campaigned by Shelby American (or whatever they called themselves at that time) with the full support of Chrysler. It was originally driven by Steve Hope and Scott Harvey. It is now owned by Steve Hope. Okay now for the reality part. When was the last time anyone saw one of these on the street. Maybe there is something to them not lasting well... Jere Teepen -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spook01@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:01 PM To: spmdr@juno.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby 427 Tiger dunno. that shelby daytona 4 cylinder dodge didn't work so well....... ----- Original Message ----- From: spmdr@juno.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:31:21 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Tigers] Shelby 427 Tiger The reality is, with Shelby still alive and the readily available parts, an all aluminium 427(Windsor) Shelby Tiger is VERY doable. ...If not Ideal... And, of course, it would be ...an original...Shelby...! ...Be careful what you ask (dream) for! ...so, let's see, that means being able to light up the tires in all SIX ( with a little cutting) gears! ...is THIS a GREAT country or WHAT?! B B DW __________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 13 23:19:01 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: "Teepen, Jere" , "spook01@comcast.net" Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 22:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby 427 Tiger You might enjoy this (not the greatest quality) Note the menacing looks... http://www.motorator.com/videos/99 Enjoy Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "spook01@comcast.net" ; "spmdr@juno.com" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:06:07 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby 427 Tiger Hey! Careful now with the Dodge/Shelby Charger Daytona bashing! We (the original driver, Chris Thoman, and myself) are currently re-commissioning the 2.2 liter Dodge Charger that held its class record of 199.0something mph back in the early nineties at Bonneville. This car ran both naturally aspirated and turbocharged motors at various times. With a naturally aspirated motor it ran at over 149 mph. Currently, the car is in for paint in its original colors. We will be testing at El Mirage in June and returning the car to Bonneville in August. This car was originally campaigned by Shelby American (or whatever they called themselves at that time) with the full support of Chrysler. It was originally driven by Steve Hope and Scott Harvey. It is now owned by Steve Hope. Okay now for the reality part. When was the last time anyone saw one of these on the street. Maybe there is something to them not lasting well... Jere Teepen -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spook01@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:01 PM To: spmdr@juno.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby 427 Tiger dunno. that shelby daytona 4 cylinder dodge didn't work so well....... ----- Original Message ----- From: spmdr@juno.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:31:21 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Tigers] Shelby 427 Tiger The reality is, with Shelby still alive and the readily available parts, an all aluminium 427(Windsor) Shelby Tiger is VERY doable. ...If not Ideal... And, of course, it would be ...an original...Shelby...! ...Be careful what you ask (dream) for! ...so, let's see, that means being able to light up the tires in all SIX ( with a little cutting) gears! ...is THIS a GREAT country or WHAT?! B B DW __________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 14 11:49:25 2009 From: Tony McNulty To: TigerList Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:49:13 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Lucas time! For those of you planning electrical work on your Tigers -- a friendly reminder http://www.hummingbirds.net/lucas/ Tony McNulty B382001321 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of tech.gif] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 14 17:00:44 2009 From: spook01@comcast.net To: Sandy Ganz Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby 427 Tiger bery, bery interesting! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" To: "Jere Teepen" , spook01@comcast.net, spmdr@juno.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:16:54 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby 427 Tiger You might enjoy this (not the greatest quality) Note the menacing looks... http://www.motorator.com/videos/99 Enjoy Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "spook01@comcast.net" ; "spmdr@juno.com" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:06:07 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby 427 Tiger Hey!B Careful now with the Dodge/Shelby Charger Daytona bashing!B We (the original driver, Chris Thoman, and myself) are currently re-commissioning the 2.2 liter Dodge Charger that held its class record of 199.0something mph back in the early nineties at Bonneville.B This car ran both naturally aspirated and turbocharged motors at various times.B With a naturally aspirated motor it ran at over 149 mph. Currently, the car is in for paint in its original colors.B We will be testing at El Mirage in June and returning the car to Bonneville in August. This car was originally campaigned by Shelby American (or whatever they called themselves at that time) with the full support of Chrysler.B It was originally driven by Steve Hope and Scott Harvey.B It is now owned by Steve Hope. Okay now for the reality part.B When was the last time anyone saw one of these on the street.B Maybe there is something to them not lasting well... Jere Teepen -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spook01@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:01 PM To: spmdr@juno.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby 427 Tiger dunno. that shelby daytona 4 cylinder dodge didn't work so well....... ----- Original Message ----- From: spmdr@juno.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:31:21 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Tigers] Shelby 427 Tiger The reality is, with Shelby still alive and the readily available parts, an all aluminium 427(Windsor) Shelby Tiger is VERY doable. ...If not Ideal... And, of course, it would be ...an original...Shelby...! ...Be careful what you ask (dream) for! ...so, let's see, that means being able to light up the tires in all SIX ( with a little cutting) gears! ...is THIS a GREAT country or WHAT?! B B DW __________________________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 14 17:00:58 2009 From: spook01@comcast.net To: Jere Teepen Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:59:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby 427 Tiger I stupidly bought one new.B what a pos.B i guess ol' shel got paid, though.B i notice he's in the kit car bidness these days after ragging on them for years.B maybe we could get him to "find" some new tigers, build them and sign the dashes! just a thought.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jere Teepen" To: spook01@comcast.net, spmdr@juno.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:06:07 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: RE: [Tigers] Shelby 427 Tiger Hey! B Careful now with the Dodge/Shelby Charger Daytona bashing! B We (the original driver, Chris Thoman, and myself) are currently re-commissioning the 2.2 liter Dodge Charger that held its class record of 199.0something mph back in the early nineties at Bonneville. B This car ran both naturally aspirated and turbocharged motors at various times. B With a naturally aspirated motor it ran at over 149 mph. B Currently, the car is in for paint in its original colors. B We will be testing at El Mirage in June and returning the car to Bonneville in August. B This car was originally campaigned by Shelby American (or whatever they called themselves at that time) with the full support of Chrysler. B It was originally driven by Steve Hope and Scott Harvey. B It is now owned by Steve Hope. Okay now for the reality part. B When was the last time anyone saw one of these on the street. B Maybe there is something to them not lasting well... Jere Teepen B -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spook01@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:01 PM To: spmdr@juno.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby 427 Tiger dunno. that shelby daytona 4 cylinder dodge didn't work so well....... ----- Original Message ----- From: spmdr@juno.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:31:21 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Tigers] Shelby 427 Tiger The reality is, with Shelby still alive and the readily available parts, an all aluminium 427(Windsor) Shelby Tiger is VERY doable. ...If not Ideal... And, of course, it would be ...an original...Shelby...! ...Be careful what you ask (dream) for! ...so, let's see, that means being able to light up the tires in all SIX ( with a little cutting) gears! ...is THIS a GREAT country or WHAT?! B B DW __________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 14 18:15:24 2009 From: "rande" To: stubrennan@comcast.net Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:11:57 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] BCD Thank you, Hemmings. www.hemmings.com/newsletter/newsletter.html?volume=4&issue=49&id=2240&refer=news&emlid=156210#2240 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 14 20:31:57 2009 From: "Andy Walker" To: , "Sandy Ganz" Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:30:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby 427 Tiger Jeez...from somebody who has owned a couple of the "real" Shelbys, that commercial is almost down-right embarrassing!!! Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Sandy Ganz" Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby 427 Tiger > bery, bery interesting! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sandy Ganz" > To: "Jere Teepen" , spook01@comcast.net, > spmdr@juno.com > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:16:54 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby 427 Tiger > > > You might enjoy this (not the greatest quality) Note the menacing looks... > > > http://www.motorator.com/videos/99 > > Enjoy > > Sandy > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "Teepen, Jere" > To: "spook01@comcast.net" ; "spmdr@juno.com" > > Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:06:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby 427 Tiger > > Hey!B Careful now with the Dodge/Shelby Charger Daytona bashing!B We > (the > original driver, Chris Thoman, and myself) are currently re-commissioning > the > 2.2 liter Dodge Charger that held its class record of 199.0something mph > back > in the early nineties at Bonneville.B This car ran both naturally > aspirated > and turbocharged motors at various times.B With a naturally aspirated > motor > it > ran at over 149 mph. > > Currently, the car is in for paint in its original colors.B We will be > testing > at El Mirage in June and returning the car to Bonneville in August. > > This car was originally campaigned by Shelby American (or whatever they > called > themselves at that time) with the full support of Chrysler.B It was > originally > driven by Steve Hope and Scott Harvey.B It is now owned by Steve Hope. > > Okay now for the reality part.B When was the last time anyone saw one of > these > on the street.B Maybe there is something to them not lasting well... > > Jere Teepen > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of spook01@comcast.net > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:01 PM > To: spmdr@juno.com > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby 427 Tiger > > dunno. that shelby daytona 4 cylinder dodge didn't work so well....... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: spmdr@juno.com > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:31:21 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: [Tigers] Shelby 427 Tiger > > The reality is, with Shelby still alive and the readily available parts, > > an all aluminium 427(Windsor) Shelby Tiger is VERY doable. > > ...If not Ideal... > > And, of course, it would be ...an original...Shelby...! > > ...Be careful what you ask (dream) for! > > ...so, let's see, that means being able to light up the tires in all SIX > ( with a little cutting) gears! > > ...is THIS a GREAT country or WHAT?! > > B B DW > > __________________________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 15 06:15:50 2009 From: "PRISCILLA SCHROEDER" To: Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 06:15:29 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] SUNI Gear does someone have Suni commemorative gear/items available to order for those of us who can't make it? thanks, hotStuff7 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 17 00:35:25 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 23:34:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] axle removal I have been in the process of removing my axles in order to repack or replace the bearings. I removed the hubs months ago but have been working on my old shovel head so I could try riding again. Tonight I decided I had to get the car up and running again (Suni soon)and attempted to pull the axle. I remember one member said he used a small bottle jack but I dont have one that short. SO, I tried the old chain trick which worked fine the last axle I pulled( a Toyota ) but didnt touch the Tiger axle. Next I went to AutoZone and borrowed a tool but their axle puller wouldnt bolt to the hub. I then found a piece of 3/8s allthred and made two bolts. I inserted it thru the hub with a nut on the inside of the hub- thinking I could tighten the nut and push the hub back thus pulling the axle. I had to jam 2 nuts on the end of the allthread so I could turn the bolt while holding the inside nut. I put another pice on an oppisite corner thinking I needed to push straight. I used two 3/8 drive allen sockets with the allen wrench removed to push against the axle housing. It worked with ease and Im sure I didnt need the second bolt as one would have worked great. Thought I would pass this along in case anyone else removes the axle. I have heard of different methods but not the push bolt one I used. More on removing the bearings and seals as I continue on Monday. TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 17 09:18:40 2009 From: "J. Nichols" To: Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 11:18:35 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Speedograph Fog Lamp Brackets on Ebay On Ebay UK there are Speedograph fog lamp brackets # 230342318760 and I don't see how these mount on a Sunbeam Alpine or Tiger without drilling something. The listing says they are for Alpine 1, 11, V and Tiger. If the large hole in the bracket is used with the bumper bolt then what is the threaded hex fitting used for? It looks like the bracket would be blocked by the bumperette if attached using the bumper bolt. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 17 11:05:58 2009 From: Jeff Howarth To: "J. Nichols" Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 18:05:22 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speedograph Fog Lamp Brackets on Ebay Hi Jeff, the hex bolt goes into the front of the chassis rail where the normal bumper bolt goes - the hex makes the bracket clear the front valence. the hole in the bracket it to mount the lamp above the bumper. regards Jeff In message <000f01c9d702$bfcc8d50$6401a8c0@your03667082de>, J. Nichols writes >On Ebay UK there are Speedograph fog lamp brackets # 230342318760 and I don't >see how these mount on a Sunbeam Alpine or Tiger without drilling something. >The listing says they are for Alpine 1, 11, V and Tiger. If the large hole >in the bracket is used with the bumper bolt then what is the threaded hex >fitting used for? It looks like the bracket would be blocked by the >bumperette if attached using the bumper bolt. > > > > Jeff >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > -- Jeff Howarth _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 17 13:02:14 2009 From: Bill Waite To: tigers@autox.team.net, "J. Nichols" Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 11:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speedograph Fog Lamp Brackets on Ebay Those brackets are nice. But, based on the photo, it seems they would be fairly easy to make (just in case the price gets away from you). I think I'm going to give it a shot (making them) for a pair of lamps I have for my Mark I. Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI --- On Sun, 5/17/09, J. Nichols wrote: From: J. Nichols Subject: [Tigers] Speedograph Fog Lamp Brackets on Ebay To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 11:18 AM On Ebay UK there are Speedograph fog lamp brackets # 230342318760 and I don't see how these mount on a Sunbeam Alpine or Tiger without drilling something. The listing says they are for Alpine 1, 11, V and Tiger. If the large hole in the bracket is used with the bumper bolt then what is the threaded hex fitting used for? It looks like the bracket would be blocked by the bumperette if attached using the bumper bolt. Jeff Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 18 13:41:32 2009 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 15:41:04 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Ho Chi Minh Tiger Bumpers I think this has been asked before, but has anyone seen/bought/used these repop all stainless steel bumpers from the Harrington Group? With exchange rates they are about $850 to the USA for a package that includes two bumpers and four over-riders. The company text says it is a British company based in Vietnam, lots of cheap labour and no EPA worries from copper cyanide and such. http://www.groupharrington.com/shine/sunbeam.asp Bugz _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 18 13:48:59 2009 From: Bob Josten To: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 12:46:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ho Chi Minh Tiger Bumpers They have been talking about them on the alpine club forum here: http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10757 regards Bob On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) < mark.rense@ge.com> wrote: > I think this has been asked before, but has anyone seen/bought/used > these repop all stainless steel bumpers from the Harrington Group? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 18 16:34:36 2009 From: KnightJH@aol.com To: alpines@autox.team.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:34:18 EDT Subject: [Tigers] For Sale - Two 1965 Alpines Series IV (Automatics) Two 1965 Sunbeam Alpines Series IV with automatic transmissions are for sale. Additional items included are a hardtop needing restoration, four nose front fenders, hardtop and windshield trim and other items. See cars on Ebay at listing below. John Knight http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Alpine-Sunbeam-Alpines-2- Automatic-Two-Vehicles_W0QQitemZ200343278334QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Truck s?hash=item2ea563d2fe&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245& _trkparms=72%3A1205%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 19 16:38:43 2009 From: Bill Waite To: tigers@autox.team.net, "Rense, Mark \(GE Indust, ConsInd\)" Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 15:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event - Still On? Is the "Midwest TAC Event" still scheduled for August 1st in Dayton? My apologies if there has been an update I missed. Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) wrote: From: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Subject: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event - Update! To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 4:18 PM All, Due to some conflicts, the date for this event has been changed to Saturday, August 1st in Dayton, OH. This will tie into the Dayton British car show that same weekend. We are working on getting the required TAC inspectors (we need a Senior and at least two junior inspectors). John Engle has graciously offered to help with the logistics. Thanks, John! There will be some cost involved besides the $10 TAC Certificate. This will help defray the costs of the TAC inspectors, and it will be split evenly among the participants. So, the more we have, the cheaper it will be! Send me an email if you are interested. So, please save the date of August 1st for this event. Event: TAC Party Place: Tiger Automotive, Dayton, OH Time: August 1st, 2009 Thanks, Bugz B382000991 B382001465 Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 19 18:27:34 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, fordlandia@sbcglobal.net, "Rense, Mark (GE Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 20:27:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event - Still On? To any TAC inspectors reading this and waffleing on going or not.... Dayton has a spectacular air museum to visit after looking at cars. Best I've ever seen by far. Hundreds of vintage aircraft including for example SR71,B1,B2,B17,B25,B29,B52 all under one roof and the B29 is the plane that flew the atomic mission over Nagasaki. Wish I had credentials and could visit for the weekend on someone elses dime. Steve R B9473720 ---- Bill Waite wrote: > Is the "Midwest TAC Event" still scheduled for August 1st in Dayton? My > apologies if there has been an update I missed. > > Bill Waite > Grand Rapids, MI > > --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) > wrote: > From: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) > Subject: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event - Update! > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 4:18 PM > > All, > Due to some conflicts, the date for this event has been changed to > Saturday, August 1st in Dayton, OH. This will tie into the Dayton > British car show that same weekend. We are working on getting the > required TAC inspectors (we need a Senior and at least two junior > inspectors). > > John Engle has graciously offered to help with the logistics. Thanks, > John! > > There will be some cost involved besides the $10 TAC Certificate. This > will help defray the costs of the TAC inspectors, and it will be split > evenly among the participants. So, the more we have, the cheaper it will > be! > > Send me an email if you are interested. > > So, please save the date of August 1st for this event. > > > Event: TAC Party > Place: Tiger Automotive, Dayton, OH > Time: August 1st, 2009 > > Thanks, > > Bugz > B382000991 > B382001465 > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 19 18:27:43 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, fordlandia@sbcglobal.net, "Rense, Mark (GE Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 20:27:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event - Still On? To any TAC inspectors reading this and waffleing on going or not.... Dayton has a spectacular air museum to visit after looking at cars. Best I've ever seen by far. Hundreds of vintage aircraft including for example SR71,B1,B2,B17,B25,B29,B52 all under one roof and the B29 is the plane that flew the atomic mission over Nagasaki. Wish I had credentials and could visit for the weekend on someone elses dime. Steve R B9473720 ---- Bill Waite wrote: > Is the "Midwest TAC Event" still scheduled for August 1st in Dayton? My > apologies if there has been an update I missed. > > Bill Waite > Grand Rapids, MI > > --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) > wrote: > From: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) > Subject: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event - Update! > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 4:18 PM > > All, > Due to some conflicts, the date for this event has been changed to > Saturday, August 1st in Dayton, OH. This will tie into the Dayton > British car show that same weekend. We are working on getting the > required TAC inspectors (we need a Senior and at least two junior > inspectors). > > John Engle has graciously offered to help with the logistics. Thanks, > John! > > There will be some cost involved besides the $10 TAC Certificate. This > will help defray the costs of the TAC inspectors, and it will be split > evenly among the participants. So, the more we have, the cheaper it will > be! > > Send me an email if you are interested. > > So, please save the date of August 1st for this event. > > > Event: TAC Party > Place: Tiger Automotive, Dayton, OH > Time: August 1st, 2009 > > Thanks, > > Bugz > B382000991 > B382001465 > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 19 18:47:44 2009 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "sralsten@ca.rr.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 20:47:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event - Still On? Steve and list: An excellent suggestion! The USAF Museum is approximately two miles due east of Tiger Auto on the same street! The "Bockscar" is the B29 that dropped the nuclear bomb on Nagasaki. There are so many things to see if one is a true enthusiast of military aircraft and history. If folks do go to the event at Tiger Auto, an extra day (or two!) can be spent at the Air Force Museum, an absolutely amazing place. Finally, has there been a confirmation for the necessary number TAC inspectors to attend this event? Jere Teepen -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten@ca.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 5:27 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net; fordlandia@sbcglobal.net; Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event - Still On? To any TAC inspectors reading this and waffleing on going or not.... Dayton has a spectacular air museum to visit after looking at cars. Best I've ever seen by far. Hundreds of vintage aircraft including for example SR71,B1,B2,B17,B25,B29,B52 all under one roof and the B29 is the plane that flew the atomic mission over Nagasaki. Wish I had credentials and could visit for the weekend on someone elses dime. Steve R B9473720 ---- Bill Waite wrote: > Is the "Midwest TAC Event" still scheduled for August 1st in Dayton? My > apologies if there has been an update I missed. > > Bill Waite > Grand Rapids, MI > > --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) > wrote: > From: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) > Subject: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event - Update! > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 4:18 PM > > All, > Due to some conflicts, the date for this event has been changed to > Saturday, August 1st in Dayton, OH. This will tie into the Dayton > British car show that same weekend. We are working on getting the > required TAC inspectors (we need a Senior and at least two junior > inspectors). > > John Engle has graciously offered to help with the logistics. Thanks, > John! > > There will be some cost involved besides the $10 TAC Certificate. This > will help defray the costs of the TAC inspectors, and it will be split > evenly among the participants. So, the more we have, the cheaper it will > be! > > Send me an email if you are interested. > > So, please save the date of August 1st for this event. > > > Event: TAC Party > Place: Tiger Automotive, Dayton, OH > Time: August 1st, 2009 > > Thanks, > > Bugz > B382000991 > B382001465 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 19 19:26:24 2009 From: "J. Nichols" To: Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 21:26:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Ho Chi Minh Tiger Bumpers "I think this has been asked before, but has anyone seen/bought/used these repop all stainless steel bumpers from the Harrington Group?" The one person on the Alpine forum who bought the set seems satisfied. If you figure the cost of re-chroming two bumpers plus four bumperettes, and the rubber parts, this seems to be a good deal. Strength wise, I don't think you are giving up much even though these are made of thinner steel. My bumpers (which need rechroming) may end up in the attic! Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 19 21:40:28 2009 From: "James E. Pickard" To: Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 22:40:13 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Windshield center stud repair I thought I'd share my experience so others may benefit. One of the problems I've had in the restoration of my Tiger is the center stud in my windshield frame was stripped. I'd tried several methods to repair it without success. Then I talked with Dale of Dale's Restorations (he rebuilt my steering column bearings) and asked if he had any words of wisdom. He told me the center stud was the easy one - it is just a stud screwed in! Use a pair of vise grips to remove it. Great news. Unfortunately, after 45 years the soft metal of the stud wasn't coming out (should have soaked it with PB Blaster). It just sheared off. On to Plan B. I drilled out the remaining stud, careful not to drill all the way through. I was able to tread the hole enough to secure a 1/4" bolt. I added epoxy for additional strength. Then I sawed off the head of the bolt and it was good as new. Works great. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 19 21:57:30 2009 From: "Scattt" To: "Teepen, Jere" , , Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 23:57:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event - Still On? I think Paul Sheahan has it all set up. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teepen, Jere" To: ; ; ; "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event - Still On? > Steve and list: > > An excellent suggestion! The USAF Museum is approximately two miles due > east > of Tiger Auto on the same street! The "Bockscar" is the B29 that dropped > the > nuclear bomb on Nagasaki. There are so many things to see if one is a > true > enthusiast of military aircraft and history. If folks do go to the event > at > Tiger Auto, an extra day (or two!) can be spent at the Air Force Museum, > an > absolutely amazing place. > > Finally, has there been a confirmation for the necessary number TAC > inspectors > to attend this event? > > Jere Teepen > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of sralsten@ca.rr.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 5:27 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net; fordlandia@sbcglobal.net; Rense, Mark (GE > Indust, > ConsInd) > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event - Still On? > > To any TAC inspectors reading this and waffleing on going or not.... > Dayton has a spectacular air museum to visit after looking at cars. > Best I've ever seen by far. Hundreds of vintage aircraft including for > example > SR71,B1,B2,B17,B25,B29,B52 all under one roof and the B29 is the > plane that flew the atomic mission over Nagasaki. Wish I had > credentials and could visit for the weekend on someone elses dime. > > Steve R > B9473720 > > > ---- Bill Waite wrote: >> Is the "Midwest TAC Event" still scheduled for August 1st in Dayton? My >> apologies if there has been an update I missed. >> >> Bill Waite >> Grand Rapids, MI >> >> --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) >> wrote: >> From: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) >> Subject: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event - Update! >> To: tigers@autox.team.net >> Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 4:18 PM >> >> All, >> Due to some conflicts, the date for this event has been changed to >> Saturday, August 1st in Dayton, OH. This will tie into the Dayton >> British car show that same weekend. We are working on getting the >> required TAC inspectors (we need a Senior and at least two junior >> inspectors). >> >> John Engle has graciously offered to help with the logistics. Thanks, >> John! >> >> There will be some cost involved besides the $10 TAC Certificate. This >> will help defray the costs of the TAC inspectors, and it will be split >> evenly among the participants. So, the more we have, the cheaper it will >> be! >> >> Send me an email if you are interested. >> >> So, please save the date of August 1st for this event. >> >> >> Event: TAC Party >> Place: Tiger Automotive, Dayton, OH >> Time: August 1st, 2009 >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bugz >> B382000991 >> B382001465 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 20 04:21:08 2009 From: Paul R Sheahan To: "Teepen, Jere" , sralsten@ca.rr.com, Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 03:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event The contact I have for the event is Mark Rense mark.rense@ge.com Currently there are three TAC inspectors planning on attending the event. Paul Paul R Sheahan --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Scattt wrote: From: Scattt Subject: Re: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event - Still On? To: "Teepen, Jere" , sralsten@ca.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net, fordlandia@sbcglobal.net, "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 11:57 PM I think Paul Sheahan has it all set up. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teepen, Jere" To: ; ; ; "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event - Still On? > Steve and list: > > An excellent suggestion! The USAF Museum is approximately two miles due east > of Tiger Auto on the same street! The "Bockscar" is the B29 that dropped the > nuclear bomb on Nagasaki. There are so many things to see if one is a true > enthusiast of military aircraft and history. If folks do go to the event at > Tiger Auto, an extra day (or two!) can be spent at the Air Force Museum, an > absolutely amazing place. > > Finally, has there been a confirmation for the necessary number TAC inspectors > to attend this event? > > Jere Teepen > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of sralsten@ca.rr.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 5:27 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net; fordlandia@sbcglobal.net; Rense, Mark (GE Indust, > ConsInd) > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event - Still On? > > To any TAC inspectors reading this and waffleing on going or not.... > Dayton has a spectacular air museum to visit after looking at cars. > Best I've ever seen by far. Hundreds of vintage aircraft including for > example > SR71,B1,B2,B17,B25,B29,B52 all under one roof and the B29 is the > plane that flew the atomic mission over Nagasaki. Wish I had > credentials and could visit for the weekend on someone elses dime. > > Steve R > B9473720 > > > ---- Bill Waite wrote: >> Is the "Midwest TAC Event" still scheduled for August 1st in Dayton? My >> apologies if there has been an update I missed. >> >> Bill Waite >> Grand Rapids, MI >> >> --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) >> wrote: >> From: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) >> Subject: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event - Update! >> To: tigers@autox.team.net >> Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 4:18 PM >> >> All, >> Due to some conflicts, the date for this event has been changed to >> Saturday, August 1st in Dayton, OH. This will tie into the Dayton >> British car show that same weekend. We are working on getting the >> required TAC inspectors (we need a Senior and at least two junior >> inspectors). >> >> John Engle has graciously offered to help with the logistics. Thanks, >> John! >> >> There will be some cost involved besides the $10 TAC Certificate. This >> will help defray the costs of the TAC inspectors, and it will be split >> evenly among the participants. So, the more we have, the cheaper it will >> be! >> >> Send me an email if you are interested. >> >> So, please save the date of August 1st for this event. >> >> >> Event: TAC Party >> Place: Tiger Automotive, Dayton, OH >> Time: August 1st, 2009 >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bugz >> B382000991 >> B382001465 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 20 05:40:52 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'James E. Pickard'" , Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 07:40:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Windshield center stud repair Jim Excellent tip, thanks for sharing. PB Blaster works well but I have been testing ATF and acetone mix and I have been getting very good results, better than using PB Blaster. I'm trying some used ATF that I have in a gallon jug which has a bit of a dark tint and I'm getting better than expected results. So, from what I'm seeing do not hesitate to try the 50/50 mix of ATF and acetone and let it soak in for hour or even overnight to break loose those stuck bolts. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James E. Pickard Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:40 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Windshield center stud repair I thought I'd share my experience so others may benefit. One of the problems I've had in the restoration of my Tiger is the center stud in my windshield frame was stripped. I'd tried several methods to repair it without success. Then I talked with Dale of Dale's Restorations (he rebuilt my steering column bearings) and asked if he had any words of wisdom. He told me the center stud was the easy one - it is just a stud screwed in! Use a pair of vise grips to remove it. Great news. Unfortunately, after 45 years the soft metal of the stud wasn't coming out (should have soaked it with PB Blaster). It just sheared off. On to Plan B. I drilled out the remaining stud, careful not to drill all the way through. I was able to tread the hole enough to secure a 1/4" bolt. I added epoxy for additional strength. Then I sawed off the head of the bolt and it was good as new. Works great. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.34/2122 - Release Date: 05/19/09 06:21:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 20 06:19:48 2009 From: "denis mercier" To: Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 08:17:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] MKII Hi Guys. Du to healt problem i have decided to sell my MKII (B382100418LRXFE). The car need a FULL restoration, rocker panels, floors, x member........... Car has all the important parts, moulding, grill and upper grill finisher, oil cooler, air cleaner, fan shroud......2 more 289 engine included. Price 10000.00us Denis Mercier Quibec, Canada. 418-588-3317 Also owner of B382000926LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 20 13:42:46 2009 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:42:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Mid-West TAC Event- Dayton OH - August 1 2009 All, This event is a go! Save this email for future reference!! Event: TAC Party Place: Doug Jenning's Tiger Automotive, 1777 Springfield Street, Dayton, OH 45403 Map: http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Dayton&state=OH&address=1777+Springfie ld+Street Time: August 1st, 2009 Hosts: Mark "Bugz" Rense, John Engle and Doug Jennings Thanks to Paul Sheahan and his TAC crew, we will have the three required inspectors available for your TACing pleasure. Below is the list of those interested in having this service performed on their car and we have room for a few more. This event is tied into the Dayton British Car Day show hosted by Miami Valley Triumphs, and the event is located a mile from the TAC site. I am told there will be discounted hotel rooms available through this club, so check their site often. The link has not been up-dated, but here it is for future reference: http://miamivalleytriumphs.org/ Also, don't forget to make time to see our National Air Force Museum: http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/ IMPORTANT: If you are planning to have your car TAC'd, you will be required to help defray the travel costs of the three TAC inspectors. The expenses will be split between all parties and with the number of entrants we have so far the dues should be well less than $100 per attendee. The TAC sticker is a separate $10 fee. Please do not hang your fellow Tiger owners out to dry, if you say yes, we expect you to pony up. Violators will be condemned to be Alger drivers for life! Here is the list of attendees I have so far: Bill Waite Paul Breuhan Peter Laurinaitis Henry Vicioso Bill Kaufman David Smith Bill Marras Ted Baird Richard Gottlieb David Tiettmeyer Hugh Guynes Dave Kaffenberger Mark Rense More information will be sent as soon as it is available. Please forward questions and any other info to me. Keep On Tigering! Bugz B382000991 B382001465 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 20 15:37:15 2009 From: "Robin Young" To: Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 17:29:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Removing the door fixed window frame The fixed window frame on the driver side on my Tiger is bent away from the windshield frame and does not seat against the weather-strip. I read somewhere that the frames are the same for both sides but bent opposite so a slight bow towards the windshield is correct. I suspect that if this is true, I may be dealing with a passenger side frame installed on the driver side from a PO. Has anyone removed the frame without removing the window or regulator and can confirm this to be possible? Either way, is there a step by step instruction for disassembly/reassembly for the window and regulator? Robin Young _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 20 16:22:12 2009 From: Gary To: robin02@mindspring.com Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Removing the door fixed window frame Robin, There are 2 bolts on the bottom of each door fixed window frame that permit you to adjust it inward or outward. There are 2 rubber plugs on the bottom of each door. Remove the front rubber plug to access the lower bolts for the fixed window. I believe the bolts are 1/4" hex heads. Moving the bottom of the frame outward moves the top inward and visa versa. Is sounds as though the bottom may have come loose and moved inward as the top was pushed outward by the weatherstrip. Try this first before you remove the frames. Is that what you were talking about. If so, did it help? Gary --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Robin Young wrote: From: Robin Young Subject: [Tigers] Removing the door fixed window frame To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 2:29 PM The fixed window frame on the driver side on my Tiger is bent away from the windshield frame and does not seat against the weather-strip. I read somewhere that the frames are the same for both sides but bent opposite so a slight bow towards the windshield is correct. I suspect that if this is true, I may be dealing with a passenger side frame installed on the driver side from a PO. Has anyone removed the frame without removing the window or regulator and can confirm this to be possible? Either way, is there a step by step instruction for disassembly/reassembly for the window and regulator? Robin Young Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 21 13:09:15 2009 From: "Robin Young" To: "'Gary'" Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 15:01:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Removing the door fixed window frame Thanks Gary, there were two fasteners as you described and I had been loosening just one. The adjustment went well without removing the frame for modification. Thank you too to Mark and Steve for helping get me on track. RObin _____ From: Gary [mailto:maliburevue@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:14 PM To: robin02@mindspring.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Removing the door fixed window frame Robin, There are 2 bolts on the bottom of each door fixed window frame that permit you to adjust it inward or outward. There are 2 rubber plugs on the bottom of each door. Remove the front rubber plug to access the lower bolts for the fixed window. I believe the bolts are 1/4" hex heads. Moving the bottom of the frame outward moves the top inward and visa versa. Is sounds as though the bottom may have come loose and moved inward as the top was pushed outward by the weatherstrip. Try this first before you remove the frames. Is that what you were talking about. If so, did it help? Gary --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Robin Young wrote: From: Robin Young Subject: [Tigers] Removing the door fixed window frame To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 2:29 PM The fixed window frame on the driver side on my Tiger is bent away from the windshield frame and does not seat against the weather-strip. I read somewhere that the frames are the same for both sides but bent opposite so a slight bow towards the windshield is correct. I suspect that if this is true, I may be dealing with a passenger side frame installed on the driver side from a PO. Has anyone removed the frame without removing the window or regulator and can confirm this to be possible? Either way, is there a step by step instruction for disassembly/reassembly for the window and regulator? Robin Young _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 22 12:51:11 2009 From: Bill Lawrence To: sunbeam tiger Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 18:40:43 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Interesting find Hello fellow Sunbeam enthusiasts a fellow Tiger owner turned me on to this promotional. Thought I would share. http://store.amtrak.com/ProductDetail.aspx?did=5551&pid=60525 Regards, Bill Lawrence Ft. Lauderdale _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria l_WhatsNew1_052009 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 22 14:38:06 2009 From: "Chris and Jodie" To: "Bill Lawrence" , "sunbeam tiger" Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 13:19:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interesting find Nice job, Bill! I ordered two!!!! Chris Coffel Red mk1 Blue mk1 Green mk1a ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Lawrence" To: "sunbeam tiger" Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:40 AM Subject: [Tigers] Interesting find > Hello fellow Sunbeam enthusiasts > > a fellow Tiger owner turned me on to this promotional. > > Thought I would share. > > > http://store.amtrak.com/ProductDetail.aspx?did=5551&pid=60525 > > Regards, > Bill Lawrence > Ft. Lauderdale > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail. has a new way to see what's up with your friends. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria > l_WhatsNew1_052009 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 22 20:11:02 2009 From: Chris Thompson To: Chris and Jodie Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 21:43:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interesting find Watch the shipping charges - when I tried to order one, they showed $49.95 in shipping for UPS ground and $225.00 for one day delivery, and that's to VA! Chris Chris and Jodie wrote: > Nice job, Bill! I ordered two!!!! > > Chris Coffel > > Red mk1 > Blue mk1 > Green mk1a > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Lawrence" > > To: "sunbeam tiger" > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:40 AM > Subject: [Tigers] Interesting find > > >> Hello fellow Sunbeam enthusiasts >> >> a fellow Tiger owner turned me on to this promotional. >> >> Thought I would share. >> >> >> http://store.amtrak.com/ProductDetail.aspx?did=5551&pid=60525 >> >> Regards, >> Bill Lawrence >> Ft. Lauderdale >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Hotmail. has a new way to see what's up with your friends. >> http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria >> >> l_WhatsNew1_052009 >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 22 20:56:36 2009 From: Chris Thompson To: Chris and Jodie Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 22:40:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interesting find Watch out for the shipping charges - probably just an error on their web page, but they wanted to charge me about $50 for UPS ground and about $225 for FedEx to VA. Or are they luring us in with the $5 poster offer for some other nefarious purpose? Like getting us to lobby our congressmen to subsidize through TARP a new door-to-door train delivery service? Chris Chris and Jodie wrote: > Nice job, Bill! I ordered two!!!! > > Chris Coffel > > Red mk1 > Blue mk1 > Green mk1a _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 22 21:54:20 2009 From: jim@island.net To: chris@cthompson.net Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 20:30:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interesting find I just ordered 2 shipped to Canada and the total was just over $16... ( $10 for the posters)... and that was UPS Ground... Jim B382000446 > Watch out for the shipping charges - probably just an error on their > web page, but they wanted to charge me about $50 for UPS ground and > about $225 for FedEx to VA. > > Or are they luring us in with the $5 poster offer for some other > nefarious purpose? Like getting us to lobby our congressmen to > subsidize through TARP a new door-to-door train delivery service? > > Chris > > Chris and Jodie wrote: >> Nice job, Bill! I ordered two!!!! >> >> Chris Coffel >> >> Red mk1 >> Blue mk1 >> Green mk1a > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 23 00:22:20 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: chris@cthompson.net, jim@island.net Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 23:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interesting find I just attempted to order two and shipping to southern IL. was $19 and change. I like the poster but Im not paying almost 20 bucks shipping. maybe I will try again tomorrow. makes no sense Jim is only paying $6 to ship to another conutry. Im glad for you Jim. Seems everyone is trying to gig me for shipping. LOL TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 23 09:36:49 2009 From: "J. Nichols" To: Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 11:12:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Smokin' Something I saw this in the June Hemmings, 1967 Sunbeam Tiger MK II , one of 297 imported to the US, needs restoration, $97,000 or best offer. Do ya think he will be disappointed? Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 23 10:07:49 2009 From: jim@island.net To: Tony Somebody Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 08:42:09 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interesting find I just went and rechecked... and went through the motions of ordering another 2 ...and the shipping came up the same ...shipping & handling $6.20 for UPS ground to Canada ! Must be something screwy with the shipping calculator... :( Jim B382000446 > > I just attempted to order two and shipping to southern IL. was $19 > and change. I like the poster but Im not paying almost 20 bucks > shipping. maybe I will try again tomorrow. makes no sense Jim is > only paying $6 to ship to another conutry. Im glad for you Jim. > Seems everyone is trying to gig me for shipping. LOL > TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 23 10:36:29 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, "J. Nichols" Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 12:13:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Smokin' Something Reminds me of one of my favorite saying regarding vintage cars. "It's impossible to pay too much for a vintage Ferrari, you just might pay it too soon" I imagine this seller will be spending many thousands inHemmings ads before he finds a taker. Steve ---- "J. Nichols" wrote: > I saw this in the June Hemmings, 1967 Sunbeam Tiger MK II , one of 297 > imported to the US, needs restoration, $97,000 or best offer. Do ya think he > will be disappointed? > > > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 23 11:37:36 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 13:23:04 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Bonnet prop rod color ? Mine was chromed by PO. I bought one on ebay that was blasted and sprayed lt grey. Figured that was easier and probably cheaper than have chrome removed. What is the proper color ? Car color, black, grey ?????? Steve R B9473720 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 23 11:54:02 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: jim@island.net Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 10:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interesting find Thanks for going to the trouble Jim. I will also give it another go but Im not paying 19 plus change. To bad they look like a decent poster and it is definitly a Tiger. TtT --- On Sat, 5/23/09, jim@island.net wrote: > From: jim@island.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interesting find > To: "Tony Somebody" > Cc: chris@cthompson.net, "Bill Lawrence" , "sunbeam tiger" > Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 10:42 AM > I just went and rechecked... and went > through the motions of ordering another 2 ...and the > shipping came up the same ...shipping & handling $6.20 > for UPS ground to Canada ! Must be something screwy with the > shipping calculator... :( > > Jim > B382000446 > > > > > I just attempted to order two and shipping to southern > IL. was $19 and change. I like the poster but Im not paying > almost 20 bucks shipping. maybe I will try again tomorrow. > makes no sense Jim is only paying $6 to ship to another > conutry. Im glad for you Jim. Seems everyone is trying to > gig me for shipping. LOL > > TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 23 14:21:08 2009 From: "Robin Young" To: "'Tony Somebody'" , Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 15:59:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interesting find Tony, I bought one with shipping for 12.70. When I tried to change to two posters it doubled the cost to over 25.00. I am not sure where the shipping is from but, I am in Florida. RObin -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:33 PM To: jim@island.net Cc: sunbeam tiger; Bill Lawrence Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interesting find Thanks for going to the trouble Jim. I will also give it another go but Im not paying 19 plus change. To bad they look like a decent poster and it is definitly a Tiger. TtT --- On Sat, 5/23/09, jim@island.net wrote: > From: jim@island.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interesting find > To: "Tony Somebody" > Cc: chris@cthompson.net, "Bill Lawrence" , > "sunbeam tiger" > Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 10:42 AM I just went and rechecked... > and went through the motions of ordering another 2 ...and the shipping > came up the same ...shipping & handling $6.20 for UPS ground to Canada > ! Must be something screwy with the shipping calculator... :( > > Jim > B382000446 > > > > > I just attempted to order two and shipping to southern > IL. was $19 and change. I like the poster but Im not paying almost 20 > bucks shipping. maybe I will try again tomorrow. > makes no sense Jim is only paying $6 to ship to another conutry. Im > glad for you Jim. Seems everyone is trying to gig me for shipping. LOL > > TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 23 15:36:15 2009 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: , , Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:12:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interesting find If they are not sold out Tuesday morning I was gonna call their 1-800 number. Last night when I looked I think it was around $15 for shipping to Michigan to me. Paul > From: robin02@mindspring.com > To: achd73@yahoo.com; jim@island.net > Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 15:59:44 -0400 > CC: billlawrence@hotmail.com; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interesting find > > Tony, I bought one with shipping for 12.70. When I tried to change to two > posters it doubled the cost to over 25.00. I am not sure where the shipping > is from but, I am in Florida. RObin > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Tony Somebody > Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:33 PM > To: jim@island.net > Cc: sunbeam tiger; Bill Lawrence > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interesting find > > Thanks for going to the trouble Jim. I will also give it another go but Im > not paying 19 plus change. To bad they look like a decent poster and it is > definitly a Tiger. > TtT > > --- On Sat, 5/23/09, jim@island.net wrote: > >> From: jim@island.net >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interesting find >> To: "Tony Somebody" >> Cc: chris@cthompson.net, "Bill Lawrence" , >> "sunbeam tiger" >> Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 10:42 AM I just went and rechecked... >> and went through the motions of ordering another 2 ...and the shipping >> came up the same ...shipping & handling $6.20 for UPS ground to Canada >> ! Must be something screwy with the shipping calculator... :( >> >> Jim >> B382000446 >> >>> >>> I just attempted to order two and shipping to southern >> IL. was $19 and change. I like the poster but Im not paying almost 20 >> bucks shipping. maybe I will try again tomorrow. >> makes no sense Jim is only paying $6 to ship to another conutry. Im >> glad for you Jim. Seems everyone is trying to gig me for shipping. LOL _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 23 17:36:36 2009 From: "Mountjoy" To: Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 16:08:16 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Interesting find With S/H at $30+ to me, no thanks. Darrell _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 23 19:06:22 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:39:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bonnet prop rod color ? Steve R., Mine is body color (BRG 87) ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com sralsten@ca.rr.com wrote: > Mine was chromed by PO. I bought one on ebay that was blasted > and sprayed lt grey. Figured that was easier and probably > cheaper than have chrome removed. What is the proper color ? > Car color, black, grey ?????? > > Steve R > B9473720 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 23 19:06:43 2009 From: "Steve Ralsten" To: Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 16:39:42 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interesting find Really seems to vary. $25.06 for 2 to me in LA. Steve R _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 24 07:37:07 2009 From: v8cat To: robin02@mindspring.com, achd73@yahoo.com, jim@island.net, "Paul R. Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 06:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interesting find The picture is a fake. It's an Alger. --- On Sat, 5/23/09, Paul R. Breuhan wrote: From: Paul R. Breuhan Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interesting find To: robin02@mindspring.com, achd73@yahoo.com, jim@island.net Cc: billlawrence@hotmail.com, "Tigers Den" Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 5:12 PM If they are not sold out Tuesday morning I was gonna call their 1-800 number. Last night when I looked I think it was around $15 for shipping to Michigan to me. Paul > From: robin02@mindspring.com > To: achd73@yahoo.com; jim@island.net > Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 15:59:44 -0400 > CC: billlawrence@hotmail.com; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interesting find > > Tony, I bought one with shipping for 12.70. When I tried to change to two > posters it doubled the cost to over 25.00. I am not sure where the shipping > is from but, I am in Florida. RObin > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Tony Somebody > Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:33 PM > To: jim@island.net > Cc: sunbeam tiger; Bill Lawrence > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interesting find > > Thanks for going to the trouble Jim. I will also give it another go but Im > not paying 19 plus change. To bad they look like a decent poster and it is > definitly a Tiger. > TtT > > --- On Sat, 5/23/09, jim@island.net wrote: > >> From: jim@island.net >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interesting find >> To: "Tony Somebody" >> Cc: chris@cthompson.net, "Bill Lawrence" , >> "sunbeam tiger" >> Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 10:42 AM I just went and rechecked... >> and went through the motions of ordering another 2 ...and the shipping >> came up the same ...shipping & handling $6.20 for UPS ground to Canada >> ! Must be something screwy with the shipping calculator... :( >> >> Jim >> B382000446 >> >>> >>> I just attempted to order two and shipping to southern >> IL. was $19 and change. I like the poster but Im not paying almost 20 >> bucks shipping. maybe I will try again tomorrow. >> makes no sense Jim is only paying $6 to ship to another conutry. Im >> glad for you Jim. Seems everyone is trying to gig me for shipping. LOL _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 24 08:54:01 2009 From: "Andy Walker" To: , Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 09:22:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bonnet prop rod color ? In your case, Steve, color code 39...Carnival Red. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 12:23 PM Subject: [Tigers] Bonnet prop rod color ? > Mine was chromed by PO. I bought one on ebay that was blasted > and sprayed lt grey. Figured that was easier and probably > cheaper than have chrome removed. What is the proper color ? > Car color, black, grey ?????? > > Steve R > B9473720 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 24 15:39:30 2009 From: marden@mistral.co.uk To: Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 22:10:03 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] interesting find Hi from across the pond, Just to really upset you all I bought 3 posters and the shipping was only $6 to England. Tigermart Mk1, Mk2, Le mans V8, Venezia, Sunbam Talbot, Sunbeam S7, BSA Sunbeam & Portafold. ------------------------- Message sent via KC WebMail - http://webmail.mistral.net/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 24 16:07:49 2009 From: "James E. Pickard" To: Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 16:56:16 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Original engine? I've got a number matching Mk IA, but the original valve covers are hiding a 5-bolt 289. Stashed in the corner of my storage room is what is purported by the PO to be the original 260 engine. I don't see any numbers on the block that would confirm the likelihood of this. Any way to determine if this is likely to be the original engine (and potentially something of value), or am I just storing a useless anchor? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 24 17:39:37 2009 From: kevin beck To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:20:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Numbers matching New to the list, but I have a 1965 tiger I purchased back in the early 80's. I enjoy all the imformation I get thru the list, but the letter from Jim Pickard has me wondering too about numbers matching cars. I didn't think there was any connection by numbers on the engine block but I guess I really don't know either. I'm sure others have asked this question before, but along with possible numbers on the block what does all the numbers stand for? Kevin Beck Numbers on valve cover B9473252 LRX FE 4513 F21KA 4513 F21KA Model # C4PZ-6001-CF 39 S.O. # SO-2632 Jal 562812 I know there will be more questions once I get back into my restoration Thanks Kevin _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 24 18:10:01 2009 From: kevin beck To: tigers Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:45:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Numbers matching New to the list, but I have a 1965 Tiger I purchaced in the early 80's. I enjoy all the imformation I get through the list, but Jim Pickards question about numbers on the engine has me wondering about my car. I'm sure this has been asked before, but along with the engine block numbers what do all the other numbers stand for? Kevin Beck B9473252 LRX FE 4513 F21KA 39 Engine 4513 F21KA Model C4PZ-6001-CF S.O. # SO-2632 Thanks Kevin _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 24 19:23:02 2009 From: maliburevue@yahoo.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 17:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Classics and Barn Finds This is an awesome website for classics and barn finds www.bringatrailer.com There are several Tigers on here, some of which have been on ebay. Search on Sunbeam or Tiger. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 24 20:38:17 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: Bill Lawrence , sunbeam tiger Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interesting find Try code GR1 for 10% off on the Amtrack stuff. I found it while looking online. Shipping looks like it is based on the just multiplying the quantity by $5.44 or so. I wanted to get a couple too. Might be something like each is in it's own poster tube so each is shipped separately (lame). Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Lawrence To: sunbeam tiger Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:40:43 AM Subject: [Tigers] Interesting find Hello fellow Sunbeam enthusiasts a fellow Tiger owner turned me on to this promotional. Thought I would share. http://store.amtrak.com/ProductDetail.aspx?did=5551&pid=60525 Regards, Bill Lawrence Ft. Lauderdale _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria l_WhatsNew1_052009 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 07:51:05 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'James E. Pickard'" , Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:30:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? Jim The block casting number is at the starter motor location and you need the casting date code which will be right next to it. All the major engine parts have individual casting numbers and date codes; these will help determine what you have and whether they were cast in the correct time frame. Send any of the number you fine and I will help you sort it out. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James E. Pickard Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:56 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Original engine? I've got a number matching Mk IA, but the original valve covers are hiding a 5-bolt 289. Stashed in the corner of my storage room is what is purported by the PO to be the original 260 engine. I don't see any numbers on the block that would confirm the likelihood of this. Any way to determine if this is likely to be the original engine (and potentially something of value), or am I just storing a useless anchor? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/24/09 07:09:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 08:06:41 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'kevin beck'" , Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:50:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Numbers matching Kevin B9473252 LRX FE = Rootes VIN # 4513 F21KA = Ford engine accounting # supplied by Ford 39 = Rootes paint color code Jal 562812 = Jensen assembly plant number system 4513 F21KA These 3 numbers are all Ford designated numbers applied before shipment to England. Model # C4PZ-6001-CF S.O. # SO-2632 Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of kevin beck Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 7:21 PM To: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Numbers matching New to the list, but I have a 1965 tiger I purchased back in the early 80's. I enjoy all the imformation I get thru the list, but the letter from Jim Pickard has me wondering too about numbers matching cars. I didn't think there was any connection by numbers on the engine block but I guess I really don't know either. I'm sure others have asked this question before, but along with possible numbers on the block what does all the numbers stand for? Kevin Beck Numbers on valve cover B9473252 LRX FE 4513 F21KA 4513 F21KA Model # C4PZ-6001-CF 39 S.O. # SO-2632 Jal 562812 I know there will be more questions once I get back into my restoration Thanks Kevin _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/24/09 07:09:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 08:51:58 2009 From: Carmods@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 10:29:01 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger JAL Tags What color should the Tiger JAL tags be, natural aluminum, black or body color? John Logan **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! 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(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823249x1201398664/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May ExcfooterNO62) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/25/09 08:16:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 09:38:06 2009 From: "Lynn Wall" To: Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:18:10 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Camber question Hey all, First let me say thanks to all the vets out there. Your sacrifice is appreciated. Second I am trying to align my tiger and the camber has me puzzled. The owners manual says 3 degrees 50 minutes positive camber. It describes positive camber as the top of the tire moving AWAY from the engine. I cant believe that applies to todays tires and wheels. I am running 16 Panasports and when I went even slightly positive the handling became EXTREMELY twitchy. I looked up what my 67 mustang should be and it suggested = to 1 negative camber. I tried that an it seems to handle much better. Any ideas/suggestions. Im getting pretty good at changing out shims. Thank you in advance. Lynn _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 09:53:27 2009 From: "Robin Young" To: , Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:37:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger JAL Tags What color should the Tiger JAL tags be, natural aluminum, black or body color? John Logan John, the JAL tags were applied ahead of the body paint with pan head slotted screws. Robin Young _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 09:53:33 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:38:13 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? >>>... whether they were cast in the correct time frame.<<< At least as it relates to the Tiger and Ford associated engine products, is it safe to say there is no specific number relating to each individual car, but rather a "time period" of the casting date that can be termed "matching numbers?" And, if so, "matching numbers" would not specifically mean the original engine that came in the car? That of course disregards the valve cover with the original engine ID which would seemingly need the "correct" number. Anyway, if this is accurate, is there debate in the collector world between "matching numbers" and original engine? Are there specific date code that can only be applied to the Tiger? Curious peaks my interest, Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 10:21:20 2009 From: "Ross" To: "'Lynn Wall'" , Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:56:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Camber question Lynn, Thats, CASTER not CAMBER! The spec for camber is 30115 positive. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse Subject: [Tigers] Camber question Hey all, First let me say thanks to all the vets out there. Your sacrifice is appreciated. Second I am trying to align my tiger and the camber has me puzzled. The owners manual says 3 degrees 50 minutes positive camber. It describes positive camber as the top of the tire moving AWAY from the engine. I cant believe that applies to todays tires and wheels. I am running 16 Panasports and when I went even slightly positive the handling became EXTREMELY twitchy. I looked up what my 67 mustang should be and it suggested = to 1 negative camber. I tried that an it seems to handle much better. Any ideas/suggestions. Im getting pretty good at changing out shims. Thank you in advance. Lynn _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 10:36:30 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Lynn Wall" , Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 10:14:06 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Camber question If you mean "tire-shredding understeer" when you say "twitchy" then you're probably right. The steering effort would also be very light, mostly because there's not nearly enough tire touching the pavement. I'm going to start with about half a degree negative (205/45-16's on 7" wide rims) and see where I have to go from there. When I rebuilt the front crossmember I lowered the attachment point of the upper fulcrum pins, and that should give me a better camber curve (more negative camber for a given amount of suspension compression) but we'll see what actually happens. In the limited amount of driving I did with the car a couple of weeks ago the steering effort and stability seemed OK at least up to 60-70 MPH. > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Lynn Wall > Sent: May 25, 2009 9:18 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Camber question > > Hey all, > > > > First let me say thanks to all the vets out there. Your > sacrifice is appreciated. > > > > Second I am trying to align my tiger and the camber has me > puzzled. The owners manual says 3 degrees 50 minutes > positive camber. It describes positive camber as the top > of the tire moving AWAY from the engine. > > > > I cant believe that applies to todays tires and wheels. I > am running 16 Panasports and when I went even slightly > positive the handling became EXTREMELY twitchy. I looked up > what my 67 mustang should be and it suggested = to 1 negative > camber. I tried that an it seems to handle much better. > > > > Any ideas/suggestions. Im getting pretty good at changing out shims. > > > > Thank you in advance. > > > > Lynn > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 11:23:14 2009 From: "Ross" To: "'Lynn Wall'" , Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 10:00:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Camber question Lynn, First let me apologize as my post in HTML did not translate to Plain Text. The spec you quote you are trying to meet is the spec for Castor not Camber. The spec for castor is 30 minutes positive plus or minus 15 minutes. So castor can be from 45 minutes to as little as little as 15 minutes. There are 60 minutes in a degree. So to correlate castor can be from 3 quarters to a degree to as little as 1 quarter of a degree. This is way different than nearly 4 degrees positive. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse Subject: [Tigers] Camber question Hey all, First let me say thanks to all the vets out there. Your sacrifice is appreciated Second I am trying to align my tiger and the camber has me puzzled. The owners manual says 3 degrees 50 minutes positive camber. It describes positive camber as the top of the tire moving AWAY from the engine I cant believe that applies to todays tires and wheels. I am running 16 Panasports and when I went even slightly positive the handling became EXTREMELY twitchy. I looked up what my 67 mustang should be and it suggested = to 1 negative camber. I tried that an it seems to handle much better. Any ideas/suggestions. Im getting pretty good at changing out shims. Thank you in advance. Lynn _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 11:52:45 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Thomas Witt'" , Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 13:28:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? Tom There are some specific casting time frames for the Tiger engines and parts, I believe. This is one of the points I wanted to determine with the engine study I started. There are some castings that were cast in a very narrow time frame. Ex: I believe the last group of 2bbl intake manifolds for the 260 engine were all cast on one day and it is a Tiger specific casting number; C5OE-9425D, casting date 5A28 = Jan 28 1965. I know there are other similar cases but I had limited response from my request for information. I believe there is a great deal of Tiger specific information that can be gathered from the original engine Ford Casting numbers and casting date codes. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 11:38 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? >>>... whether they were cast in the correct time frame.<<< At least as it relates to the Tiger and Ford associated engine products, is it safe to say there is no specific number relating to each individual car, but rather a "time period" of the casting date that can be termed "matching numbers?" And, if so, "matching numbers" would not specifically mean the original engine that came in the car? That of course disregards the valve cover with the original engine ID which would seemingly need the "correct" number. Anyway, if this is accurate, is there debate in the collector world between "matching numbers" and original engine? Are there specific date code that can only be applied to the Tiger? Curious peaks my interest, Tom No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/25/09 08:16:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 13:05:56 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? I am a little confused. OK, I admitt, Im often very confused but I am taking meds that are suppose to help. My question is; Does the number on the orginal valve cover not match a number on the engine. That being so and I am asking if it is or not- the hypothetically the only way to prove te engine is the orginl 260 is if the owner retains the orginl valve cover. I have that with one of my cars and I have an engine that the Po told me was the orginal 260. As the engine was in pieces, minus the heads, I just put it in storage but have always thought it important to keep if I ever sold the car as having the orginal engine. I know that Norm has paperwork that has the vin and the matching tranny and rear end. he can tell for exampl, if an Alger has a tiger tranny and or rear end, where they came from or at least who had the parts on their car back when and too that depends on the owner giving Norm his info- of course there are variables since the vin matches orginl parts to said tiger and those parts could have been swapped or replaced during the life of the car.. Has anyone ask Norm if his paper work shows a nuber for orginal engines. TtT --- On Mon, 5/25/09, Ron Fraser wrote: > From: Ron Fraser > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? > To: "'Thomas Witt'" , tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 12:28 PM > Tom > There are some specific casting time > frames for the Tiger engines > and parts, I believe. > > This is one of the points I wanted to determine with the > engine study I > started. > > There are some castings that were cast in a very narrow > time frame. > Ex: I believe the last group of 2bbl intake manifolds for > the 260 engine > were all cast on one day and it is a Tiger specific casting > number; > C5OE-9425D, casting date 5A28 = Jan 28 1965. > > I know there are other similar cases but I had limited > response from my > request for information. > > I believe there is a great deal of Tiger specific > information that can be > gathered from the original engine Ford Casting numbers and > casting date > codes. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Thomas Witt > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 11:38 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? > > > >>>... whether they were cast in the correct time > frame.<<< > > At least as it relates to the Tiger and Ford associated > engine products, is > it safe to say there is no specific number relating to each > individual car, > but rather a "time period" of the casting date that can be > termed "matching > numbers?" And, if so, "matching numbers" would not > specifically mean the > original engine that came in the car? That of course > disregards the valve > cover with the original engine ID which would seemingly > need the "correct" > number. > > Anyway, if this is accurate, is there debate in the > collector world between > > "matching numbers" and original engine? Are there specific > date code that > can only be applied to the Tiger? > > Curious peaks my interest, Tom > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release > Date: 05/25/09 > 08:16:00 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 14:22:55 2009 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: Thomas Witt Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 20:05:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? Tom's right. Corvette's have their body serial number matching their engine number but Ford's don't. Nobody has commented on the most important number though.. that's the engine build date, stamped on a boss on the front of the block just in front of the driver's side head.. B9470622 has the original engine with a build code of 4C31?? (cant read it right now). 4 means 1964, C means the third month (March), 31 means the 31st day (March 31, 1964) if I recall correctly. I think the car was built in May or June 1964 so everything matches up.. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Witt To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? >>>... whether they were cast in the correct time frame.<<< At least as it relates to the Tiger and Ford associated engine products, is it safe to say there is no specific number relating to each individual car, but rather a "time period" of the casting date that can be termed "matching numbers?" And, if so, "matching numbers" would not specifically mean the original engine that came in the car? That of course disregards the valve cover with the original engine ID which would seemingly need the "correct" number. Anyway, if this is accurate, is there debate in the collector world between "matching numbers" and original engine? Are there specific date code that can only be applied to the Tiger? Curious peaks my interest, Tom _______________________________________________ S _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 14:35:22 2009 From: "Lynn Wall" To: Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:12:53 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Camber question Thanks to all that responded. I am going with my current one half degree negative. It seems to work well plus due to the proximity of the upper a-arm to the inner fender well I dont think I could get much more. Lynn Hey all, First let me say thanks to all the vets out there. Your sacrifice is appreciated. Second I am trying to align my tiger and the camber has me puzzled. The owners manual says 3 degrees 50 minutes positive camber. It describes positive camber as the top of the tire moving AWAY from the engine. I cant believe that applies to todays tires and wheels. I am running 16 Panasports and when I went even slightly positive the handling became EXTREMELY twitchy. I looked up what my 67 mustang should be and it suggested = to 1 negative camber. I tried that an it seems to handle much better. Any ideas/suggestions. Im getting pretty good at changing out shims. Thank you in advance. Lynn _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 14:36:02 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: , "'Thomas Witt'" , Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:14:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? My engine info - Block - C4OE 6015E, Date - 5G20 (July 20 1965) Build date - 5K14M (Oct 14 1965) Timing Cover - C4AE 6059B Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:29 To: 'Thomas Witt'; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? Tom There are some specific casting time frames for the Tiger engines and parts, I believe. This is one of the points I wanted to determine with the engine study I started. There are some castings that were cast in a very narrow time frame. Ex: I believe the last group of 2bbl intake manifolds for the 260 engine were all cast on one day and it is a Tiger specific casting number; C5OE-9425D, casting date 5A28 = Jan 28 1965. I know there are other similar cases but I had limited response from my request for information. I believe there is a great deal of Tiger specific information that can be gathered from the original engine Ford Casting numbers and casting date codes. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 11:38 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? >>>... whether they were cast in the correct time frame.<<< At least as it relates to the Tiger and Ford associated engine products, is it safe to say there is no specific number relating to each individual car, but rather a "time period" of the casting date that can be termed "matching numbers?" And, if so, "matching numbers" would not specifically mean the original engine that came in the car? That of course disregards the valve cover with the original engine ID which would seemingly need the "correct" number. Anyway, if this is accurate, is there debate in the collector world between "matching numbers" and original engine? Are there specific date code that can only be applied to the Tiger? Curious peaks my interest, Tom No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/25/09 08:16:00 Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 14:36:02 2009 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: Theo Smit Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 20:14:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Camber question Hi Theo, Lowering the upper fulcrum mount was a trick from the 60's. I was told "we don't do that anymore" back in the 90's.. Do modern tires still like that? My read on it was that the new thinking was to increase caster so you get more camber change only on turns, changing the camber curve caused less tire footprint under braking. ???? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Theo Smit To: Lynn Wall , tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Camber question If you mean "tire-shredding understeer" when you say "twitchy" then you're probably right. The steering effort would also be very light, mostly because there's not nearly enough tire touching the pavement. I'm going to start with about half a degree negative (205/45-16's on 7" wide rims) and see where I have to go from there. When I rebuilt the front crossmember I lowered the attachment point of the upper fulcrum pins, and that should give me a better camber curve (more negative camber for a given amount of suspension compression) but we'll see what actually happens. In the limited amount of driving I did with the car a couple of weeks ago the steering effort and stability seemed OK at least up to 60-70 MPH. > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Lynn Wall > Sent: May 25, 2009 9:18 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Camber question > > Hey all, > > > > First let me say thanks to all the vets out there. Your > sacrifice is appreciated. > > > > Second I am trying to align my tiger and the camber has me > puzzled. The owners manual says 3 degrees 50 minutes > positive camber. It describes positive camber as the top > of the tire moving AWAY from the engine. > > > > I cant believe that applies to todays tires and wheels. I > am running 16 Panasports and when I went even slightly > positive the handling became EXTREMELY twitchy. I looked up > what my 67 mustang should be and it suggested = to 1 negative > camber. I tried that an it seems to handle much better. > > > > Any ideas/suggestions. Im getting pretty good at changing out shims. > > > > Thank you in advance. > > > > Lynn > _________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 14:50:43 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:31:04 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Camber question Hi Gary, I've seen the mod where the upper control arm is drastically tilted to provide a lot of anti-dive... I didn't do that, so I may have created a monster ;) . I'll have to see if the braking is significantly compromised by the increased camber gain. If it is, I can always rebuild the upper towers again to put the control arm in a more suitable spot. At some point it'll be worthwhile to analyze the benefits offered by all of the various suspension designs and decide whether to build one from scratch. The camber gain is good for keeping the tires inside the fenders, anyway. With the stock spindles and 16x7" wheels I had to use spacers to keep the tire rim from hitting the upper ball joint - things were in exactly the wrong place. Theo Sent: May 25, 2009 2:14 PM To: Smit, Theo Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Camber question Hi Theo, Lowering the upper fulcrum mount was a trick from the 60's. I was told "we don't do that anymore" back in the 90's.. Do modern tires still like that? My read on it was that the new thinking was to increase caster so you get more camber change only on turns, changing the camber curve caused less tire footprint under braking. ???? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Theo Smit To: Lynn Wall , tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Camber question If you mean "tire-shredding understeer" when you say "twitchy" then you're probably right. The steering effort would also be very light, mostly because there's not nearly enough tire touching the pavement. I'm going to start with about half a degree negative (205/45-16's on 7" wide rims) and see where I have to go from there. When I rebuilt the front crossmember I lowered the attachment point of the upper fulcrum pins, and that should give me a better camber curve (more negative camber for a given amount of suspension compression) but we'll see what actually happens. In the limited amount of driving I did with the car a couple of weeks ago the steering effort and stability seemed OK at least up to 60-70 MPH. > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Lynn Wall > Sent: May 25, 2009 9:18 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Camber question > > Hey all, > > > > First let me say thanks to all the vets out there. Your > sacrifice is appreciated. > > > > Second I am trying to align my tiger and the camber has me > puzzled. The owners manual says 3 degrees 50 minutes > positive camber. It describes positive camber as the top > of the tire moving AWAY from the engine. > > > > I cant believe that applies to todays tires and wheels. I > am running 16 Panasports and when I went even slightly > positive the handling became EXTREMELY twitchy. I looked up > what my 67 mustang should be and it suggested = to 1 negative > camber. I tried that an it seems to handle much better. > > > > Any ideas/suggestions. Im getting pretty good at changing out shims. > > > > Thank you in advance. > > > > Lynn > _________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 16:51:15 2009 From: "steve wick" To: "Thomas Witt" , Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:20:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? At least from 1968 on, they did. If the VIN is 8R01J123456, as an example, the engine will have 8R123456 stamped in it. My Fords from '68 to '73 all have this. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: Thomas Witt Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? " Corvette's have their body serial number matching their engine number but Ford's don't." Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Witt To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? >>>... whether they were cast in the correct time frame.<<< At least as it relates to the Tiger and Ford associated engine products, is it safe to say there is no specific number relating to each individual car, but rather a "time period" of the casting date that can be termed "matching numbers?" And, if so, "matching numbers" would not specifically mean the original engine that came in the car? That of course disregards the valve cover with the original engine ID which would seemingly need the "correct" number. Anyway, if this is accurate, is there debate in the collector world between "matching numbers" and original engine? Are there specific date code that can only be applied to the Tiger? Curious peaks my interest, Tom _______________________________________________ S _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 18:50:01 2009 From: "J. Nichols" To: Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 20:33:19 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Original engine? - Maybe, Maybe Not "I've got a number matching Mk IA, but the original valve covers are hiding a 5-bolt 289. Stashed in the corner of my storage room is what is purported by the PO to be the original 260 engine. I don't see any numbers on the block that would confirm the likelihood of this. Any way to determine if this is likely to be the original engine (and potentially something of value), or am I just storing a useless anchor? Thanks." There are no "numbers" matching with engine and chassis like you find with some collector cars. Old Corvette owners are big into engine numbers matching VIN numbers. I guess the VIN incorporates the engine number or vice versa. I never owned a Corvette but I see adds that say "numbers matching" and that means you will pay more for the car because of the original engine. You can check the casting date located behind the starter or the assembly date stamped by the water pump on the drivers side to see if it falls in the correct range for your car build date. And for that you need the BON. My car was built in October 1964 and the engine build date is 5A18F (January 18, 1965). I would expect a engine assembly date earlier in 1964 if my car had the original engine. So it seems someone replaced the motor in my car and I'm in the process of replacing that motor with a freshly rebuilt one. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 19:05:56 2009 From: "Robin Young" To: "'Smit, Theo'" , Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 20:40:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Camber question The camber gain is good for keeping the tires inside the fenders, anyway. With the stock spindles and 16x7" wheels I had to use spacers to keep the tire rim from hitting the upper ball joint - things were in exactly the wrong place. Theo I used the Panasport 16X7 wheels also and had to use 1/4" spacers on the front due to conflict with the suspension as Theo mentioned. Robin _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 19:19:51 2009 From: "Hall Motors" To: "'steve wick'" , "'Thomas Witt'" Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:50:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? Thru '67 Ford only stamped VIN's on 289 Hipo engines (yep, not even the dual four 427s). Starting in '68 they stamped them on all their engines. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steve wick Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 5:20 PM To: Thomas Witt; garywinblad@comcast.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? At least from 1968 on, they did. If the VIN is 8R01J123456, as an example, the engine will have 8R123456 stamped in it. My Fords from '68 to '73 all have this. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: Thomas Witt Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? " Corvette's have their body serial number matching their engine number but Ford's don't." Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Witt To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? >>>... whether they were cast in the correct time frame.<<< At least as it relates to the Tiger and Ford associated engine products, is it safe to say there is no specific number relating to each individual car, but rather a "time period" of the casting date that can be termed "matching numbers?" And, if so, "matching numbers" would not specifically mean the original engine that came in the car? That of course disregards the valve cover with the original engine ID which would seemingly need the "correct" number. Anyway, if this is accurate, is there debate in the collector world between "matching numbers" and original engine? Are there specific date code that can only be applied to the Tiger? Curious peaks my interest, Tom _______________________________________________ S _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 26 06:36:44 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , "'Thomas Witt'" Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:07:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? Gary You are correct the build date code is very important and the engine should be have a build date before the assembly date of the your Tiger but if for any reason there was a problem with that engine a replacement could have been installed with a totally different build date. There is an 8 month difference between my 260 engine build date and the assembly date for my Tiger. I believe there are very narrow build dates for Tiger engine also. I believe Ford's Cleveland engine Plant was capable of casting and building around 1000 engines per 8 hour shift but I have no specific facts to back that up. I also believe most of the Tiger engines were cast and built during slow times, near Holiday times and around shut down times to least interrupt the normal Ford production. The last build of 260 engines For the Tiger were built during the time Ford was only building 289's so that group of engines had to be build during a time frame(s) that least interfered with Ford's needs to build 289 engines. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of garywinblad@comcast.net Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 4:06 PM To: Thomas Witt Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? Tom's right. Corvette's have their body serial number matching their engine number but Ford's don't. Nobody has commented on the most important number though.. that's the engine build date, stamped on a boss on the front of the block just in front of the driver's side head.. B9470622 has the original engine with a build code of 4C31?? (cant read it right now). 4 means 1964, C means the third month (March), 31 means the 31st day (March 31, 1964) if I recall correctly. I think the car was built in May or June 1964 so everything matches up.. Gary _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 26 08:53:12 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 07:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: RE:poster shipping/order help > From: Amtrak > Subject: RE: > To: "Tony Somebody" > Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 9:22 AM > Hi Tony ~ we spoke a few minutes ago, > but I thought also sending the > info in an email may help! :) > > I would suggest (to avoid the freight apparently > recalculating on the > 2nd poster) please order by phone @ 800-369-4257 and we can > make sure > they ship together and can quote the price for the > freight. We are open > from 7am - 5pm central time, or the order can be faxed to > 712-737-3818 > anytime. > > I will also notify our IT on the freight issue ~ thanks! > > Doris Beltman > Client Services Rep > > Staples Promotional Products > 1520 Albany Place > Orange City, Iowa 51041 > > P:800-369-4257 ext 2238 > F:712-737-3818 > doris.beltman@staplespromoproducts.com > www.staplespromotionalproducts.com > > > This electronic mail message contains CONFIDENTIAL > information which is > intended only for the use of the Addressee(s) named herein. > If you are > not an Addressee, or the person responsible for delivering > this to an > Addressee, you are hereby notified that reading, copying, > or > distributing this message is prohibited. If you have > received this > electronic mail message in error, please reply to the > sender and take > the steps necessary to delete the message completely from > your computer > system. > > P please do not print this email unless necessary. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Somebody [mailto:achd73@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 7:22 PM > To: Amtrak > Subject: > > > Sir- Myself and several fellow club members are attempting > to purchase a > poster being offered by Amtrak. the problem is SHIPPING. > Its hard to > believe but people in canada and the Uk are getting 2 > posters and > shipping is reported to be $6.00 while I live in southern > Il and > shipping for two [osters was $19 and change on fri. today > the shipping > was 413 and change and if I order 1 poster it is $6 and > change while the > weight of a 2nd poster being shipped UPS would be barely > noticeable. on > tuesday other members will be calling to complain. Im > sending an email. > i want two posters- one for my home and one for my shop. > the poster is > of a car or the front end of a car- it is a sunbeam Tiger- > of course > only an owner would recognize what the car is BUT many > owners want the > posters BUT when out of country members report so little > shipping and we > see our shipping cost charges extremely higher and even > different. seems > you double the order it doubles shipping or in my > case it was 19 bucks and change. please assist. > thanks, Tony Lang > 618 207 5559 > > > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 26 10:38:05 2009 From: Landcmitch@aol.com To: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com, sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:12:34 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bonnet prop rod color ? Mine, too, it's original. Charlie In a message dated 5/26/2009 6:47:38 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com writes: Steve R., Mine is body color (BRG 87) ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com sralsten@ca.rr.com wrote: > Mine was chromed by PO. I bought one on ebay that was blasted > and sprayed lt grey. Figured that was easier and probably > cheaper than have chrome removed. What is the proper color ? > Car color, black, grey ?????? > > Steve R > B9473720 Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377034x1201454326/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= MaystepsfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 27 06:15:58 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 07:15:28 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Getting really stinking old....voltage regulator again If you all recall, I had lots of problems with my charging system on my recent trip to Texas. I replaced two voltage regulators and sourced and rebuilt a generator which failed instantly. The third voltage regulator worked well with the original generator, until yesterday. Here is what is going on. I turned off the ignition and the amp meter buried off the scale in the - and the ignition light came on. This is with the key out of the switch. I quickly turned the ignition back on and started the engine; amp meter came back to normal range. Now when I run the car, the amp meter is indicating an over charge from the generator which is obviously cause by the voltage regulator. This is exactly what happened a couple of months ago before the voltage regulator stopped working. Could a corroded engine ground strap be causing this? I am thinking of going with the solid state voltage regulator to see if that fixes this ongoing problem. I do not what to convert to an alternator at this time. Any thoughts? Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 27 07:13:29 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, Samouce's Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 06:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Getting really stinking old....voltage regulator again Duke- if you have a regular battery, check the fluid level. Have you polerized the syestem at anytime during these problems and last of all it seems this problem existed in the past and the key switch had loose connectors and the problem was there. It will be warm to the touch, even the small part the key goes in but if you feel behind the dash it may well be hot- check with caution in case its hot enough to burn your skin. If the lights have been on during these problems the addded load might play a part eventho the lights are not run thru the switch- they are on a seperate circuit.Check that switch tho. TtT --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Samouce's wrote: > From: Samouce's > Subject: [Tigers] Getting really stinking old....voltage regulator again > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 7:15 AM > If you all recall, I had lots of > problems with my charging system on my > recent trip to Texas. I replaced two voltage > regulators and sourced and > rebuilt a generator which failed instantly. > > The third voltage regulator worked well with the original > generator, until > yesterday. > > Here is what is going on. I turned off the ignition > and the amp meter > buried off the scale in the - and the ignition light came > on. This is with > the key out of the switch. I quickly turned the ignition > back on and started > the engine; amp meter came back to normal range. Now > when I run the car, > the amp meter is indicating an over charge from the > generator which is > obviously cause by the voltage regulator. > > This is exactly what happened a couple of months ago before > the voltage > regulator stopped working. Could a corroded engine > ground strap be causing > this? > > I am thinking of going with the solid state voltage > regulator to see if that > fixes this ongoing problem. I do not what to convert > to an alternator at > this time. > > Any thoughts? > > Duke > B382002037 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 27 07:28:43 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Samouce's'" , Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:17:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Getting really stinking old....voltage regulator again Duke I had many problems with my generator charging system until I converted to an alternator system. Mostly the points in the voltage regulator would get crapped up and stop working. I had to run with the cover off the voltage regulator because for what ever reason the system would only work for a briefly with it on. I also needed the cover off so I could regularly clean and clear the points. I never truly figured out what was wrong in my system. You should check and clean all the connections from the battery to the starter and all the ground wire at the battery and engine strap. The metal plate on the back of the generator has to be bare metal; therefore all the bolt holes for the generator bracket in the block need to be bare for the ground path. Check all the connections on the smaller wires at the regulator and generator for problems. You should also check the ignition switch, starter relay and starter motor for any problems. Something should be getting near red hot with over 30 amps pouring through it. Good luck Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Samouce's Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:15 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Getting really stinking old....voltage regulator again If you all recall, I had lots of problems with my charging system on my recent trip to Texas. I replaced two voltage regulators and sourced and rebuilt a generator which failed instantly. The third voltage regulator worked well with the original generator, until yesterday. Here is what is going on. I turned off the ignition and the amp meter buried off the scale in the - and the ignition light came on. This is with the key out of the switch. I quickly turned the ignition back on and started the engine; amp meter came back to normal range. Now when I run the car, the amp meter is indicating an over charge from the generator which is obviously cause by the voltage regulator. This is exactly what happened a couple of months ago before the voltage regulator stopped working. Could a corroded engine ground strap be causing this? I am thinking of going with the solid state voltage regulator to see if that fixes this ongoing problem. I do not what to convert to an alternator at this time. Any thoughts? Duke B382002037 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.40/2135 - Release Date: 05/27/09 07:50:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 27 07:58:31 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: 'Samouce's' , tigers@autox.team.net, Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 06:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Getting really stinking old....voltage regulator again Duke-Upon reading Duks post, it reminded me that the selinoid was the culprit when my syestem acted like yours many years ago- an altrnator makes the many problems of a generator disappear. My nuts whre loose and the charging syestem goes to the battery thru the selinoid. Check them for tightness and corrision. Tony --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Ron Fraser wrote: > From: Ron Fraser > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Getting really stinking old....voltage regulator again > To: "'Samouce's'" , tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 8:17 AM > Duke > I had many problems with my generator > charging system until I > converted to an alternator system. > Mostly the points in the voltage regulator would get > crapped up and stop > working. I had to run with the cover off > the voltage regulator because for > what ever reason the system would only work for a briefly > with it on. I > also needed the cover off so I could regularly clean and > clear the points. > I never truly figured out what was wrong in my system. > > You should check and clean all the > connections from the battery to > the starter and all the ground wire at the battery and > engine strap. The > metal plate on the back of the generator has to be bare > metal; therefore all > the bolt holes for the generator bracket in the block need > to be bare for > the ground path. Check all the connections on the > smaller wires at the > regulator and generator for problems. You should also > check the ignition > switch, starter relay and starter motor for any > problems. Something should > be getting near red hot with over 30 amps pouring through > it. > > Good luck > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Samouce's > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:15 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Getting really stinking old....voltage > regulator again > > > If you all recall, I had lots of problems with my charging > system on my > recent trip to Texas. I replaced two voltage > regulators and sourced and > rebuilt a generator which failed instantly. > > The third voltage regulator worked well with the original > generator, until > yesterday. > > Here is what is going on. I turned off the ignition > and the amp meter > buried off the scale in the - and the ignition light came > on. This is with > the key out of the switch. I quickly turned the ignition > back on and started > the engine; amp meter came back to normal range. Now > when I run the car, > the amp meter is indicating an over charge from the > generator which is > obviously cause by the voltage regulator. > > This is exactly what happened a couple of months ago before > the voltage > regulator stopped working. Could a corroded engine > ground strap be causing > this? > > I am thinking of going with the solid state voltage > regulator to see if that > fixes this ongoing problem. I do not what to convert > to an alternator at > this time. > > Any thoughts? > > Duke > B382002037 > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.40/2135 - Release > Date: 05/27/09 > 07:50:00 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 27 08:44:46 2009 From: spook01@comcast.net To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:42:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? as i recall, lord rootes called ford and placed a single order. an educated guess is that ford would have made a "run" of 260's to fill that order, thus making the casting date a narrow band of numbers.B but who knows?B probably no-one. in any event, the engine would pre-date the car. rayB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Fraser" To: garywinblad@comcast.net, "Thomas Witt" Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:07:56 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? Gary B B B B B B B B You are correct the build date code is very important and the engine should be have a build date before the assembly date of the your Tiger but if for any reason there was a problem with that engine a replacement could have been installed with a totally different build date. B B There is an 8 month difference between my 260 engine build date and the assembly date for my Tiger. B B B B B B B B I believe there are very narrow build dates for Tiger engine also. I believe Ford's Cleveland engine Plant was capable of casting and building around 1000 engines per 8 hour shift but I have no specific facts to back that up. B I also believe most of the Tiger engines were cast and built during slow times, near Holiday times and around shut down times to least interrupt the normal Ford production. B The last build of 260 engines For the Tiger were built during the time Ford was only building 289's so that group of engines had to be build during a time frame(s) that least interfered with Ford's needs to build 289 engines. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of garywinblad@comcast.net Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 4:06 PM To: Thomas Witt Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? Tom's right. B Corvette's have their body serial number matching their engine number but Ford's don't. Nobody has commented on the most important number though.. that's the engine build date, stamped on a boss on the front of the block just in front of the driver's side head.. B9470622 has the original engine with a build code of 4C31?? (cant read it right now). B 4 means 1964, C means the third month (March), 31 means the 31st day (March 31, 1964) if I recall correctly. B I think the car was built in May or June 1964 so everything matches up.. Gary Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 27 09:59:56 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:52:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Getting really stinking old....voltage regulator again Thanks Tony, Ron and Terry for the comments and recommendations. I am going to go through all of the connections to include the engine ground strap to make sure they are corrosion free. I will also replace the ignition switch (it has hung up in the start position several times and needs replacing anyway). Hopefully this will solve the problem. I started the car this morning and the charging system is working as it should, the + amps quickly dropped to the normal range and the system was properly picking up the load when light and heater fan were operated. Will keep you informed. Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 27 10:00:56 2009 From: "Ross" To: "'Tony Somebody'" , "'Samouce's'" Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:00:51 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Getting really stinking old....voltage regulator again Wow, I wouldn't touch that line with a 10 foot pole. Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:48 AM To: 'Samouce's'; tigers@autox.team.net; rfraser@bluefrog.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Getting really stinking old....voltage regulator again My nuts were loose and the charging system goes to the battery thru the selinoid. Tony _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 27 11:47:26 2009 From: "Jim" To: , "'Samouce's'" , Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:47:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Getting really stinking old....voltage regulator again I converted to an alternator a couple years ago... I bought a very compact chrome 'mini' one wire Denso which put out 45 amps ( stock gen. is 30 amps? ). I have now upgraded to a 100 amp version as I worried that my electric steering pump might draw too much current for it to handle. I made a nice polished aluminum bracket to mount it in the Tiger. I no longer need it so if anyone was interested in it for theirs... e-mail me and I'll send some pics of it mounted... Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: May 27, 2009 6:18 AM To: 'Samouce's'; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Getting really stinking old....voltage regulator again Duke I had many problems with my generator charging system until I converted to an alternator system. Mostly the points in the voltage regulator would get crapped up and stop working. I had to run with the cover off the voltage regulator because for what ever reason the system would only work for a briefly with it on. I also needed the cover off so I could regularly clean and clear the points. I never truly figured out what was wrong in my system. You should check and clean all the connections from the battery to the starter and all the ground wire at the battery and engine strap. The metal plate on the back of the generator has to be bare metal; therefore all the bolt holes for the generator bracket in the block need to be bare for the ground path. Check all the connections on the smaller wires at the regulator and generator for problems. You should also check the ignition switch, starter relay and starter motor for any problems. Something should be getting near red hot with over 30 amps pouring through it. Good luck Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Samouce's Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:15 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Getting really stinking old....voltage regulator again If you all recall, I had lots of problems with my charging system on my recent trip to Texas. I replaced two voltage regulators and sourced and rebuilt a generator which failed instantly. The third voltage regulator worked well with the original generator, until yesterday. Here is what is going on. I turned off the ignition and the amp meter buried off the scale in the - and the ignition light came on. This is with the key out of the switch. I quickly turned the ignition back on and started the engine; amp meter came back to normal range. Now when I run the car, the amp meter is indicating an over charge from the generator which is obviously cause by the voltage regulator. This is exactly what happened a couple of months ago before the voltage regulator stopped working. Could a corroded engine ground strap be causing this? I am thinking of going with the solid state voltage regulator to see if that fixes this ongoing problem. I do not what to convert to an alternator at this time. Any thoughts? Duke B382002037 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.40/2135 - Release Date: 05/27/09 07:50:00 Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 27 12:15:39 2009 From: "Jim" To: "'sunbeam tiger'" Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:14:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interesting find Just a follow up on that $6 shipping charge to Canada... Staples/Amtrak phoned this morning to tell me about the 'extra' $15 that UPS charges for international shipments and wanted to know if I still wanted to order. They THEN said that if they sent it USPS, it would be $6.20 but no tracking... works for me !! I mentioned the troubles some of the U.S. customers were having with the website shipping quotes and she strongly suggested to phone in the order... Jim -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Thompson Sent: May 22, 2009 7:40 PM To: Chris and Jodie Cc: Bill Lawrence; sunbeam tiger Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interesting find Watch out for the shipping charges - probably just an error on their web page, but they wanted to charge me about $50 for UPS ground and about $225 for FedEx to VA. Or are they luring us in with the $5 poster offer for some other nefarious purpose? Like getting us to lobby our congressmen to subsidize through TARP a new door-to-door train delivery service? Chris Chris and Jodie wrote: > Nice job, Bill! I ordered two!!!! > > Chris Coffel > > Red mk1 > Blue mk1 > Green mk1a Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 27 12:43:07 2009 From: marden@mistral.co.uk To: Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:35:28 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Amtrak poster Hi All, I spoke toooooo soon about only having to pay $6 for shipping 3 posters to the UK. I had an e-mail today from them saying it is now $96 YES $96 to send plus $15 for export papers. Needless to say I have changed my mind. Add another 15 for the posters for a total of $126. Thats $42 each or about B#26 in my money. I think I'll save my money and put it towards some new vin plate rivetts. ------------------------- Message sent via KC WebMail - http://webmail.mistral.net/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 27 13:17:22 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Samouce's" , Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:17:03 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Getting really stinking old....voltage regulator again How about this? Generator on the outside, alternator on the inside. http://www.powermastermotorsports.com/powergen.html Theo > I am thinking of going with the solid state voltage regulator > to see if that fixes this ongoing problem. I do not what to > convert to an alternator at this time. > > Any thoughts? > > Duke > B382002037 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 27 14:13:36 2009 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:11:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Getting really stinking old....voltage regulator again Cool idea, but a bit pricey. >From the JEGS website: Powermaster 82101 - Ford Applications PowerGEN Alternator - Black Ford Offset L-Hinge Mount 1951-58 - All Engines 1960-64 - V8 Engines Only Item# 713-82101 Only $369.99 Summit Racing also carries these. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Smit, Theo Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:17 PM To: Samouce's; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Getting really stinking old....voltage regulator again How about this? Generator on the outside, alternator on the inside. http://www.powermastermotorsports.com/powergen.html Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 27 14:15:34 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Smit, Theo'" , "'Samouce's'" Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:15:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Getting really stinking old....voltage regulator again Theo That is a very nice set up. It would be nice to have one in hand to check out and set up too but it seems to me they are a little pricey although I have not checked that lately. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Smit, Theo Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:17 PM To: Samouce's; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Getting really stinking old....voltage regulator again How about this? Generator on the outside, alternator on the inside. http://www.powermastermotorsports.com/powergen.html Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 27 17:57:28 2009 From: michael king To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:49:53 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Tri -Y headers Listers, A little while back there was someone on e-bay listing repro "TIGER" tri Y headers and also the front pipes. The same seller had also listed a reproduction of the modified LAT motor mount that you need to use. Does someone have his details please? -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 27 18:11:34 2009 From: "J. Nichols" To: Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:02:58 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Wedgie Needed! After removing the front cross member I found the two aluminum plate wedges corroded. Actually, one is worse than the other for some reason. I looked at the usual vendors but didn't see them listed in their online catalogs. Is there a source I'm missing? Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 27 18:40:41 2009 From: "Joe Brown" To: "'Tiger List'" Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:37:25 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Rear Axle Tag Hi, I'm trying to decode the tag off of my rear axle. It looks like it says "45C". I think this is supposed to tell me the gear ratio but I can't find a table anywhere to decode it. Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 27 19:01:13 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'J. Nichols'" , Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:00:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wedgie Needed! Jeff I would suggest you contact one of the vendors by email or phone about the crossmember wedges. If they are available they would probably know who has them. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J. Nichols Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:03 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Wedgie Needed! After removing the front cross member I found the two aluminum plate wedges corroded. Actually, one is worse than the other for some reason. I looked at the usual vendors but didn't see them listed in their online catalogs. Is there a source I'm missing? Jeff No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.40/2135 - Release Date: 05/27/09 07:50:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 27 19:01:50 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: 'Tiger List' , Joe Brown Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear Axle Tag Joe The gear ratio is learned by the fraction on the tag.Divide the bottom into the top and you will get 288 331 or not very good gas milage. TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 27 19:09:52 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Joe Brown'" , "'Tiger List'" Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:04:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear Axle Tag Joe The rear axle is mostly Dana parts but I have no information about the tag numbers. Possibly Norm Miller has some additional information about them. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Brown Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:37 PM To: 'Tiger List' Subject: [Tigers] Rear Axle Tag Hi, I'm trying to decode the tag off of my rear axle. It looks like it says "45C". I think this is supposed to tell me the gear ratio but I can't find a table anywhere to decode it. Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.40/2135 - Release Date: 05/27/09 07:50:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 27 19:16:40 2009 From: "Joe Brown" To: "'Tiger List'" Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:16:30 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Rear Axle Tag Ive had a couple reply saying that the tag should have a fraction on it (like 49/17). This tag clearly says 45C. It is > wide by 2 < long. One end is rounded with a hole for the bolt. So now Im wondering what this thing is. Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 _____ From: Joe Brown [mailto:jbbrown1980@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:37 PM To: 'Tiger List' Subject: Rear Axle Tag Hi, Im trying to decode the tag off of my rear axle. It looks like it says 45C. I think this is supposed to tell me the gear ratio but I cant find a table anywhere to decode it. Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 27 23:32:34 2009 From: David Sosna To: "Bill L" , Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:32:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wedgie Needed! Jeff: I believe they're made of unobtanium. Try Smitty at Smitty's Sunbeam in San Diego. (619) 233-7937 He'll likely have some good used ones. Let the phone ring: he doesn't have an answering machine. 10 times at least before you give up. And keep trying...... Best Regards David Sosna Ron Fraser wrote: > Jeff > I would suggest you contact one of the vendors by email or phone > about the crossmember wedges. If they are available they would probably > know who has them. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of J. Nichols > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:03 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Wedgie Needed! > > > After removing the front cross member I found the two aluminum plate wedges > corroded. Actually, one is worse than the other for some reason. I looked > at the usual vendors but didn't see them listed in their online catalogs. > Is there a source I'm missing? > > > > > Jeff > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.40/2135 - Release Date: 05/27/09 > 07:50:00 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4109 (20090527) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 28 04:56:42 2009 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 06:56:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] crossmember wedges Mine came from Sunbeam Specialties about ten years ago. If Rick is out of them, he may know another source. RB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 28 10:09:57 2009 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "J. Nichols" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:05:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wedgie Needed! Doug Jennings (Tiger Auto) used to have replacements available. 937-252-3317. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J. Nichols Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:03 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Wedgie Needed! After removing the front cross member I found the two aluminum plate wedges corroded. Actually, one is worse than the other for some reason. I looked at the usual vendors but didn't see them listed in their online catalogs. Is there a source I'm missing? Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 28 12:25:53 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:25:38 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Beaulieu 2009 Tigers, The British Beaulieu National Motor Museum has published their scheduled events for this summer. If you are there, you will enjoy it - except for the Lucas "Lights thru the Years" exhibit which is generally out-of-order. http://www.beaulieu.co.uk/templates/ld_templates/layout_59439.aspx?ObjectId=61281 Home page: http://www.beaulieu.co.uk/ipus/beaulieu/index Watch the the banner photos (top) and the video. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 28 12:54:08 2009 From: "Bob Dixon" To: Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:48:49 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? Speaking of original engines. I'm at a point in my restoration where I need to decide to rebuild the original 260 or put in something a bit more peppy such as a 331. If I ever had to sell the car I guess the enemic 260 with lucas wiring and a generator may be more valuable than a pro-built 331 with an aftermarket wiring harness with -gasp- fuses. It's a tough decision. Bob _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 28 13:27:02 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Bob Dixon'" , Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:26:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? Bob The 260 engine made in 1964 and 1965 were basically 289 engine configurations with a smaller bore; all the other parts were also of the 289 configuration. The HP rating for that configuration 260 was never tested; Ford simply continued to use the 164 hp rating of the smaller valve head configuration of 1963. I suspect the HP is up around 190 but I have no dyno tests to support that number. If you put a stroker crank into the 260 you should have something around a 302; that could be a nice configuration. I would probably balance and stroke the 260 but that is me. It is your Tiger and your decision. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Dixon Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:49 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? Speaking of original engines. I'm at a point in my restoration where I need to decide to rebuild the original 260 or put in something a bit more peppy such as a 331. If I ever had to sell the car I guess the enemic 260 with lucas wiring and a generator may be more valuable than a pro-built 331 with an aftermarket wiring harness with -gasp- fuses. It's a tough decision. Bob No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.43/2138 - Release Date: 05/28/09 08:10:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 28 13:39:59 2009 From: tigerdan@cavtel.net To: "Tiger List" Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:34:25 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? When I rebuilt my 260 I got around 220 HP on the engine dyno. Dan B9470033FE ------Original Message------ From: Ron Fraser Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net To: 'Bob Dixon' To: Tiger List ReplyTo: rfraser@bluefrog.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? Sent: May 28, 2009 3:26 PM Bob The 260 engine made in 1964 and 1965 were basically 289 engine configurations with a smaller bore; all the other parts were also of the 289 configuration. The HP rating for that configuration 260 was never tested; Ford simply continued to use the 164 hp rating of the smaller valve head configuration of 1963. I suspect the HP is up around 190 but I have no dyno tests to support that number. If you put a stroker crank into the 260 you should have something around a 302; that could be a nice configuration. I would probably balance and stroke the 260 but that is me. It is your Tiger and your decision. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Dixon Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:49 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? Speaking of original engines. I'm at a point in my restoration where I need to decide to rebuild the original 260 or put in something a bit more peppy such as a 331. If I ever had to sell the car I guess the enemic 260 with lucas wiring and a generator may be more valuable than a pro-built 331 with an aftermarket wiring harness with -gasp- fuses. It's a tough decision. Bob No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.43/2138 - Release Date: 05/28/09 08:10:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 28 13:41:20 2009 From: drmayf To: Bob Dixon Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:40:47 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? Bob, heck, do both of them! If you're just rebuillding the 260 to box stock standards, it really wont cost an arm and a leg. Get the 331 first, rebuild the 260 as you enjoy responsive driving, lol... Then if you sell, put the original motor and tranny back in. This is what I will do if I ever get done with driving on the salt chaing 205 mph... mayf Bob Dixon wrote: > Speaking of original engines. I'm at a point in my restoration where > I need to decide to rebuild the original 260 or put in something a bit > more peppy such as a 331. If I ever had to sell the car I guess the > enemic 260 with lucas wiring and a generator may be more valuable than > a pro-built 331 with an aftermarket wiring harness with -gasp- fuses. > > It's a tough decision. > Bob _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 28 14:55:33 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, Bob Dixon Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:51:30 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? I'm a factory original kind of guy, but do see the value in boosting performance and handling too. Unless your intention is a sale why rebuild the car for someone else ? Rebuild it for yourself and keep the 260 as an added incentive to a buyer (if you ever sell) I'm very proud of myself for deleting what I almost posted. I'm learning. Steve R B9473720 (with non orig 260 and wishing I had the proper block that was lost 25 years before I owned the car) ---- Bob Dixon wrote: > Speaking of original engines. I'm at a point in my restoration where I need > to decide to rebuild the original 260 or put in something a bit more peppy > such as a 331. If I ever had to sell the car I guess the enemic 260 with > lucas wiring and a generator may be more valuable than a pro-built 331 with > an aftermarket wiring harness with -gasp- fuses. > > It's a tough decision. > Bob > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 28 14:55:49 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: drmayf@mayfco.com Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? Bob- put in the stroker- thats what i would want if I bought the car. put the orginal and rebuildable 260 up to sell with the car IF you ever decide to. I bought my first Tiger in 1972. guess it was an instant addiction and I cant imangine not having one setting in my garage or in the yard etc etc. Now if I could only afford that stroker engine and you can run the stock wiring. LOL TonytheTiger --- On Thu, 5/28/09, drmayf wrote: > From: drmayf > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? > To: "Bob Dixon" > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 2:40 PM > Bob, heck, do both of them! If you're > just rebuillding the 260 to box stock standards, it really > wont cost an arm and a leg. Get the 331 first, rebuild the > 260 as you enjoy responsive driving, lol... Then if you > sell, put the original motor and tranny back in. This is > what I will do if I ever get done with driving on the salt > chaing 205 mph... > > mayf > > Bob Dixon wrote: > > > Speaking of original engines. I'm at a point in > my restoration where I need to decide to rebuild the > original 260 or put in something a bit more peppy such as a > 331. If I ever had to sell the car I guess the enemic > 260 with lucas wiring and a generator may be more valuable > than a pro-built 331 with an aftermarket wiring harness with > -gasp- fuses. > > > > It's a tough decision. > > Bob _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 28 15:24:10 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, Bob Dixon , sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:19:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? Actually, Steve, your original block was "lost" 32 years before you owned the car...but who's counting!! Andy Walker B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX ---- sralsten@ca.rr.com wrote: > I'm a factory original kind of guy, but do see the value in boosting > performance and handling too. Unless your intention is a sale why rebuild the car > for someone else ? Rebuild it for yourself and keep the 260 as an added incentive > to a buyer (if you ever sell) > > I'm very proud of myself for deleting what I almost posted. > I'm learning. > > Steve R > B9473720 (with non orig 260 and wishing I had the proper block that was lost 25 > years before I owned the car) > > > > > > ---- Bob Dixon wrote: > > Speaking of original engines. I'm at a point in my restoration where I need > > to decide to rebuild the original 260 or put in something a bit more peppy > > such as a 331. If I ever had to sell the car I guess the enemic 260 with > > lucas wiring and a generator may be more valuable than a pro-built 331 with > > an aftermarket wiring harness with -gasp- fuses. > > > > It's a tough decision. > > Bob > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 28 15:43:42 2009 From: To: awtiger@cox.net, tigers@autox.team.net, Bob Dixon Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:43:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? Oh sure Andy burst my bubble. 32 years instead of only 25 ? Now I'll never find it. ;^) And Ron F if you're reading this,this is the reason I never responded to your months ago engine survey, it's gone. Steve R B9473720 ---- awtiger@cox.net wrote: > Actually, Steve, your original block was "lost" 32 years before you owned the car...but who's counting!! > > Andy Walker > B382001600LRXFE > B9006857LRX > > ---- sralsten@ca.rr.com wrote: > > I'm a factory original kind of guy, but do see the value in boosting > > performance and handling too. Unless your intention is a sale why rebuild the car > > for someone else ? Rebuild it for yourself and keep the 260 as an added incentive > > to a buyer (if you ever sell) > > > > I'm very proud of myself for deleting what I almost posted. > > I'm learning. > > > > Steve R > > B9473720 (with non orig 260 and wishing I had the proper block that was lost 25 > > years before I owned the car) > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Bob Dixon wrote: > > > Speaking of original engines. I'm at a point in my restoration where I need > > > to decide to rebuild the original 260 or put in something a bit more peppy > > > such as a 331. If I ever had to sell the car I guess the enemic 260 with > > > lucas wiring and a generator may be more valuable than a pro-built 331 with > > > an aftermarket wiring harness with -gasp- fuses. > > > > > > It's a tough decision. > > > Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 28 17:39:09 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , , , Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:38:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? Steve Not a problem. I think everyone should know the casting numbers, casting dates and build date of their engine, original or not. There is a great deal of history in those numbers; we just need to dig through them a bit. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten@ca.rr.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:44 PM To: awtiger@cox.net; tigers@autox.team.net; Bob Dixon Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? Oh sure Andy burst my bubble. 32 years instead of only 25 ? Now I'll never find it. ;^) And Ron F if you're reading this,this is the reason I never responded to your months ago engine survey, it's gone. Steve R B9473720 ---- awtiger@cox.net wrote: > Actually, Steve, your original block was "lost" 32 years before you > owned the car...but who's counting!! > > Andy Walker > B382001600LRXFE > B9006857LRX > > ---- sralsten@ca.rr.com wrote: > > I'm a factory original kind of guy, but do see the value in boosting > > performance and handling too. Unless your intention is a sale why > > rebuild the car for someone else ? Rebuild it for yourself and keep > > the 260 as an added incentive to a buyer (if you ever sell) > > > > I'm very proud of myself for deleting what I almost posted. I'm > > learning. > > > > Steve R > > B9473720 (with non orig 260 and wishing I had the proper block that > > was lost 25 years before I owned the car) > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Bob Dixon wrote: > > > Speaking of original engines. I'm at a point in my restoration > > > where I need > > > to decide to rebuild the original 260 or put in something a bit more peppy > > > such as a 331. If I ever had to sell the car I guess the enemic 260 with > > > lucas wiring and a generator may be more valuable than a pro-built 331 with > > > an aftermarket wiring harness with -gasp- fuses. > > > > > > It's a tough decision. > > > Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.43/2138 - Release Date: 05/28/09 08:10:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 28 17:44:52 2009 From: michael king To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:44:45 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] owain llyod Has anyone heard/seen owain? I've been trying to contact him for the last 6 weeks but not heard back, also I have not seen him on the boards or the list.. am wondering if he is ok. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 28 18:54:02 2009 From: Marc James Small To: rfraser@bluefrog.com,,, Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:39:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? At 07:38 PM 5/28/2009, Ron Fraser wrote: >Steve > Not a problem. I think everyone should know the casting numbers, >casting dates and build date of their engine, original or not. >There is a great deal of history in those numbers; we just need to dig >through them a bit. EVERY serial number is of vital utility to someone if the provenance is provided. I am quite active in the history of optics and photography, and we always beg, scream, cry, and yell for every possible serial number. This is like breaking a code: with enough examples, a pattern emerges, and analysis leads to conclusions. Over there, we call it, "industrial archaeology". Factory records are hardly infallible and those who suggest they are ought to spend a week working in a factory. And most companies dump their records periodically, which makes the recording of numbers even more important. I've never owned a Tiger but, if I did, the first thing I would do would be to dig out EVERY number I could find and publish it here. We are not, after all, only sweaty dudes who bathe in dish soap to get the grease out of our hair. There ARE scholars in our midst! Norm did a fine job, but the definitive history of the Tiger is yet to be written. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 28 20:57:04 2009 From: To: awtiger@cox.net, tigers@autox.team.net, 'Bob Dixon' Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:56:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? OK Ron you and Marc talked me into checking for my numbers. I don't recall what the subject line was on the request you sent out so please send again. Steve R B9473720 ---- Ron Fraser wrote: > Steve > Not a problem. I think everyone should know the casting numbers, > casting dates and build date of their engine, original or not. > There is a great deal of history in those numbers; we just need to dig > through them a bit. > > Ron Fraser > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of sralsten@ca.rr.com > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:44 PM > To: awtiger@cox.net; tigers@autox.team.net; Bob Dixon > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? > > > Oh sure Andy burst my bubble. 32 years instead of only 25 ? > Now I'll never find it. ;^) > > And Ron F if you're reading this,this is the reason I never responded to > your months ago engine survey, it's gone. > > Steve R > B9473720 > > > > ---- awtiger@cox.net wrote: > > Actually, Steve, your original block was "lost" 32 years before you > > owned the car...but who's counting!! > > > > Andy Walker > > B382001600LRXFE > > B9006857LRX > > > > ---- sralsten@ca.rr.com wrote: > > > I'm a factory original kind of guy, but do see the value in boosting > > > performance and handling too. Unless your intention is a sale why > > > rebuild the car for someone else ? Rebuild it for yourself and keep > > > the 260 as an added incentive to a buyer (if you ever sell) > > > > > > I'm very proud of myself for deleting what I almost posted. I'm > > > learning. > > > > > > Steve R > > > B9473720 (with non orig 260 and wishing I had the proper block that > > > was lost 25 years before I owned the car) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Bob Dixon wrote: > > > > Speaking of original engines. I'm at a point in my restoration > > > > where I need > > > > to decide to rebuild the original 260 or put in something a bit more > peppy > > > > such as a 331. If I ever had to sell the car I guess the enemic 260 > with > > > > lucas wiring and a generator may be more valuable than a pro-built 331 > with > > > > an aftermarket wiring harness with -gasp- fuses. > > > > > > > > It's a tough decision. > > > > Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.43/2138 - Release Date: 05/28/09 > 08:10:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 28 21:45:12 2009 From: Marc James Small To: ,awtiger@cox.net,tigers@autox.team.net, 'Bob Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 23:44:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] ALL NUMBERS PLEASE! At 10:56 PM 5/28/2009, sralsten@ca.rr.com wrote: >OK Ron you and Marc talked me into checking for my numbers. I don't >recall what the subject line was on the request you sent out so please >send again. Does that do for you? SOMEONE here ought to be tracking these numbers. Please post all numbers you encounter while dissecting your Tiger. This includes the numbers on generators, starters, und so weiter. You guys are a hard sale. To be fair, over on the optics side, we normally send out hit-men if we don't get a full response - that "303033xx" crap doesn't cut it. Be warned. My bully boys are running short of work, as I suspect we have all the Leica and Zeiss numbers we can accrue. Yours in Zeiss, Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 28 22:25:13 2009 From: Owain Lloyd To: michael king , Tiger Talk List Tiger Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 06:24:49 +0200 Subject: Re: [Tigers] owain llyod Sorry guys - I'm cycling in the pyrenees and only have a blackberry here. Will be in touch when I return next week. On 5/29/09, michael king wrote: > Has anyone heard/seen owain? I've been trying to contact him for the last 6 > weeks but not heard back, also I have not seen him on the boards or the > list.. am wondering if he is ok. > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 29 01:23:40 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 00:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] axle bearing part numbers For anyone needing or planning to change your axle bearings. I have the following numbers. the seals I bought on epay and there ws no numbers stamped ot printed on them. Also if you have never repacked your axle bearings. I would highly reccomend doing so. the hub can be a Bi--- to remove but with the proper tool it isnt so bad. I had to go to a friends machine shop to remove the bearing from the axl, using his press. he was busy so I helped myself. friends are great. I had the rear wheels off and the car on jack stands and when i turned te hub I could hear dry bearings. There is no grease or oil for the bearing to run in and mine where very dry. I suggest listening to your own as this is one place easily neglected. The bearing on my axle( doing one siad at a time) had Bower- USA bearing-- # 14130 The replacement was a National or Federal Mogul made in Japan and used the same number. The race was from Parts Master #PM 14276 made in China. Im not sure where Ricks bearings are made but no compny in the US makes bearings now- according to my local parts man. SO,if you shop around in some smaller towns with older business's, you might get lucky and find a USA bearing laying on the shelf.Good luck, TonytheTiger The Bower race(USA) used the same 14276 part number. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 29 02:23:49 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 04:17:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? Steve Here is the original request for information I sent out for the engine study I started. It originated after several requests about what color should the B19KC engine be painted were sent out. TBON lists a Vin # but the correct way to determine the color was to look at the Ford engine Tag numbers and build date code. The B19KC engines built in the spring of 1965 are black, the engines built in Oct 1965 are Blue. From there the engine study grew into a study of all the Tiger engine configurations. The Tiger engines were the first, I believe, large group of smog control engines Ford produced. ---------- I have been studying all the stock Tiger engine configuration from the Ford part number point of view. Hopefully this study will add some details to the collective knowledge base of Tigers and eventually clear up some details about the Tiger engines. I'm only looking at stock Tiger engines with stock Ford parts and I hope you are willing to participate with the following information: Tiger Vin number - Rootes engine number - Engine casting number - Engine casting date - These numbers are just above the starter. If the engine is not out of the car, do not include these numbers unless you know what they are. Intake manifold casting number - Intake manifold casting date - These numbers are on the front 2 runners, the casting date looks like a small plate on the lower runner Engine build date - This number is stamped on a machined pad on the left side just above one of the water pump bolts and in front of the head. If the engine has been decked, it maybe gone. If you have the original oil filter set up; that number is just on the other side of the bracket towards the timing cover; you might not be able to see the number. Don't include it. Engine Tag numbers This is an aluminum Tag mounted to the intake manifold at the left side of the carb and has 2 rows of numbers. If you do not have this Tag, please state that. Pictures are also welcome Thank you for your help. ---------- Obviously you can record part numbers about more than just these and I will gladly help anyone decipher any of the codes. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: sralsten@ca.rr.com [mailto:sralsten@ca.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:57 PM To: awtiger@cox.net; tigers@autox.team.net; 'Bob Dixon'; rfraser@bluefrog.com Subject: RE: [Tigers] Original engine? OK Ron you and Marc talked me into checking for my numbers. I don't recall what the subject line was on the request you sent out so please send again. Steve R B9473720 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 29 06:23:50 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: "'Tony Somebody'" , "'Beamclub'" Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 07:20:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] axle bearing part numbers I volunteer my Tiger to have its rear bearings replace for a Tech session at SUNI V. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 02:20 To: Beamclub Subject: [Tigers] axle bearing part numbers For anyone needing or planning to change your axle bearings. I have the following numbers. the seals I bought on epay and there ws no numbers stamped ot printed on them. Also if you have never repacked your axle bearings. I would highly reccomend doing so. the hub can be a Bi--- to remove but with the proper tool it isnt so bad. I had to go to a friends machine shop to remove the bearing from the axl, using his press. he was busy so I helped myself. friends are great. I had the rear wheels off and the car on jack stands and when i turned te hub I could hear dry bearings. There is no grease or oil for the bearing to run in and mine where very dry. I suggest listening to your own as this is one place easily neglected. The bearing on my axle( doing one siad at a time) had Bower- USA bearing-- # 14130 The replacement was a National or Federal Mogul made in Japan and used the same number. The race was from Parts Master #PM 14276 made in China. Im not sure where Ricks bearings are made but no compny in the US makes bearings now- according to my local parts man. SO,if you shop around in some smaller towns with older business's, you might get lucky and find a USA bearing laying on the shelf.Good luck, TonytheTiger The Bower race(USA) used the same 14276 part number. Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 29 10:02:57 2009 From: "Tiger Man" To: Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:01:40 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] TAC at SUNI? Looking at my schedule, it looks like I am not going to be able to make all of SUNI, and will probably only be up there for the first few days. Has anyone organized the inspectors to be able to TAC event at SUNI? Since I was only going to be there a few days, I wanted to make sure I got a chance to get my car TAC'd while I was there. Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 29 10:29:12 2009 From: To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net, Tiger Man Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:28:57 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] TAC at SUNI? +1 for me too. The main reason I am attending SUNI is to have it TACed. Duke B382002037 ---- Tiger Man wrote: > Looking at my schedule, it looks like I am not going to be able to make all of > SUNI, and will probably only be up there for the first few days. Has anyone > organized the inspectors to be able to TAC event at SUNI? Since I was only > going to be there a few days, I wanted to make sure I got a chance to get my > car TAC'd while I was there. > > Thanks, > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 29 10:38:08 2009 From: Rob Guerra To: , tigerlist 2 , Tiger Man Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:34:59 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] TAC at SUNI? Tac services will be available the entire event Find Tom Hall, Rob Guerra, Patrick King, Doug Babcock On 5/29/09 9:28 AM, "wsamouce@kc.rr.com" wrote: > +1 for me too. > > The main reason I am attending SUNI is to have it TACed. > > Duke > B382002037 > ---- Tiger Man wrote: >> Looking at my schedule, it looks like I am not going to be able to make all >> of >> SUNI, and will probably only be up there for the first few days. Has anyone >> organized the inspectors to be able to TAC event at SUNI? Since I was only >> going to be there a few days, I wanted to make sure I got a chance to get my >> car TAC'd while I was there. >> >> Thanks, >> Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 29 10:39:07 2009 From: To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net, Tiger Man , Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:39:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] TAC at SUNI? Steve: I've already signed up and requested an early TAC inspection for the very reason you suggested. We're only going to be able to attend on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. I got a verification card from Jerry and Marlene saying that they had passed along my request for an early TAC to Max. Hopefully, that will happen. Like Duke, the main reason I'm going is to get TAC'd. See you there, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B3832001600LRXFE B9006857LRX ---- wsamouce@kc.rr.com wrote: > +1 for me too. > > The main reason I am attending SUNI is to have it TACed. > > Duke > B382002037 > ---- Tiger Man wrote: > > Looking at my schedule, it looks like I am not going to be able to make all of > > SUNI, and will probably only be up there for the first few days. Has anyone > > organized the inspectors to be able to TAC event at SUNI? Since I was only > > going to be there a few days, I wanted to make sure I got a chance to get my > > car TAC'd while I was there. > > > > Thanks, > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 29 10:56:36 2009 From: Tom Hall To: "Tiger Man" Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:56:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] TAC at SUNI? At 09:01 AM 5/29/2009, you wrote: >Looking at my schedule, it looks like I am not going to be able to make all of >SUNI, and will probably only be up there for the first few days. Has anyone >organized the inspectors to be able to TAC event at SUNI? Since I was only >going to be there a few days, I wanted to make sure I got a chance to get my >car TAC'd while I was there. > >Thanks, >Steve The STOA TAC team is going to be providing TECH Inspection services for this SUNI event so if you are going to participate in moving events, you will have the opportunity to obtain TAC services. We will have to judge by the flow if we can TECH and TAC at the same time or if we will have to make follow up appointments to complete the TAC procedures. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 29 11:10:55 2009 From: Joseph Rebelo To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Original Engine Side note for the original engine topic. If anyone on the list is looking for a 1965 date correct Tiger 260, I have one in my garage that is ugly and oily, but ran when removed. Long block - Ford blue valve covers (hanging the Tiger chromies on wall unless you need those too for a couple more bucks) to oil pan for $200 in Livermore Ca. Joe B9470666 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 29 11:11:25 2009 From: Joseph Rebelo To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Original Engine Side note for the original engine topic. If anyone on the list is looking for a 1965 date correct Tiger 260, I have one in my garage that is ugly and oily, but ran when removed. Long block - Ford blue valve covers (hanging the Tiger chromies on wall unless you need those too for a couple more bucks) to oil pan for $200 in Livermore Ca. Joe b9470666 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 29 11:17:38 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Tom Hall Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] TAC at SUNI? Im attending SUNI so I can enjoy driving my Tiger a 1000 plus miles each direction or whatever the milage is and I might drink some beer and to put some faces with all the names and I might drink some beer and for sure have a blast visiting everyone and I might drink some beer.I also want to get my car TACed and I might drink some beer. We cant stay the entire week so is it alright if my buddy Mike drinks a few extra beers? Im sure thats the only reason he is going and I might drink some beer too. TtT PS- Do they have beer at the TECH sessions? Not that I drink. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 29 11:28:54 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:28:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] posters arrived The two posters I ordered Sunday just got delivered.I think I will take one to the local print shop and see if he can put Sunbeam Tiger in place of Amtrak. Other than the Amtrak at the bottom and it can be hidden- the print is very frameable. The bumper appears a little higher on one side than the other so they must have used a real Sunbeam to copy onto the print. TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 29 11:32:28 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, Joseph Rebelo Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original Engine Sounds like Joe has made a reasonable offer to anyone wanting a 260 to keep for a future sale. Im letting my kids worry about selling parts and spare engines etc etc and I will just drive the car(s) until deaath do us part. Tony Joe- is that engine out of your Tiger? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 29 15:40:08 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Tony Somebody , Tiger's Den Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:40:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] axle bearing part numbers Tony and Tigers, I found the rear axle bearing assembly on the Tiger Parts Manual at TigersUnited.com There are NO part numbers for Rootes 5042684 Rear Axle Bearing, but the version we published has an annotation "Timken 25577", put on by the contributer - Peter MacDonald at Coquilam, Canada. This part is the outer cone only, I'm told, being the most likely replacement part. at AGSupply Found Timken 14276 Tapered Cup outer bearing race (cup) for $4.56, and Timken 25577 inner bearing assembly $17.59 Search for these numbers. This is an Agricultural supply company, (1-800-356-2336 opt 1), but phone orders are a little more expensive than web-site store. AND Baum Hydraulics /home 1-800-228-9222 has the cup for $8.09 and the inner bearing assembly for $29.63 There is also a Chicago Rawhide seal - 25577 for $14.20 Oil Seal Number Cost Housing Diameter Width (in.) 25577 $14.20 3.50" 0.438 Timken Outer Cup Cost Length (Race) 14276 $8.09 2.7170" 0.6250 Timken Inner Bearing Cost Cone Bore Length (Cone) 25577 $29.63 1.688 1.00 Good Fortune, Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com > For anyone needing or planning to change your axle bearings. I have the following numbers. the seals I bought on epay and there ws no numbers stamped ot printed on them. Also if you have never repacked your axle bearings. I would highly reccomend doing so. the hub can be a Bi--- to remove but with the proper tool it isnt so bad. I had to go to a friends machine shop to remove the bearing from the axl, using his press. he was busy so I helped myself. friends are great. I had the rear wheels off and the car on jack stands and when i turned te hub I could hear dry bearings. There is no grease or oil for the bearing to run in and mine where very dry. I suggest listening to your own as this is one place easily neglected. > The bearing on my axle( doing one siad at a time) had Bower- USA bearing-- # 14130 > The replacement was a National or Federal Mogul made in Japan and used the same number. > The race was from Parts Master #PM 14276 made in China. > Im not sure where Ricks bearings are made but no compny in the US makes bearings now- according to my local parts man. SO,if you shop around in some smaller towns with older business's, you might get lucky and find a USA bearing laying on the shelf.Good luck, TonytheTiger > The Bower race(USA) used the same 14276 part number. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 29 20:23:08 2009 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: "'Steve Laifman'" , Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 21:20:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] axle bearing part numbers I have a slight recollection that ball and roller bearing and race part numbers are standardized among all manufacturers. A "25577" would be the same, at least in theory, whether made by Timken or Joe Doakes Bearing Company. Maybe seals for ball and roller bearings, also? Anybody else remember this? A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Laifman > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 4:40 PM > To: Tony Somebody; Tiger's Den; MacDonald, Peter > Subject: Re: [Tigers] axle bearing part numbers > > Tony and Tigers, > > I found the rear axle bearing assembly on the Tiger Parts > Manual at TigersUnited.com > > > There are NO part numbers for Rootes 5042684 Rear Axle > Bearing, but the version we published has an annotation > "Timken 25577", put on by the contributer - Peter MacDonald > at Coquilam, Canada. > > This part is the outer cone only, I'm told, being the most > likely replacement part. > > at AGSupply > > > Found Timken 14276 Tapered Cup outer bearing race (cup) for > $4.56, and Timken 25577 inner bearing assembly $17.59 > > Search for these numbers. > > This is an Agricultural supply company, (1-800-356-2336 opt > 1), but phone orders are a little more expensive than web-site store. > > AND > > Baum Hydraulics /home > 1-800-228-9222 > has the cup for $8.09 and the inner bearing assembly for > $29.63 There is also a Chicago Rawhide seal - 25577 for $14.20 > > Oil Seal Number Cost Housing Diameter > Width (in.) > 25577 $14.20 3.50" > > 0.438 > > Timken Outer Cup Cost Length > (Race) > 14276 $8.09 2.7170" > > 0.6250 > > > Timken Inner Bearing Cost Cone Bore Length > (Cone) > 25577 $29.63 1.688 > > 1.00 > > Good Fortune, > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > For anyone needing or planning to change your axle > bearings. I have the following numbers. the seals I bought on > epay and there ws no numbers stamped ot printed on them. Also > if you have never repacked your axle bearings. I would highly > reccomend doing so. the hub can be a Bi--- to remove but with > the proper tool it isnt so bad. I had to go to a friends > machine shop to remove the bearing from the axl, using his > press. he was busy so I helped myself. friends are great. I > had the rear wheels off and the car on jack stands and when i > turned te hub I could hear dry bearings. There is no grease > or oil for the bearing to run in and mine where very dry. I > suggest listening to your own as this is one place easily neglected. > > The bearing on my axle( doing one siad at a time) had Bower- USA > > bearing-- # 14130 The replacement was a National or Federal > Mogul made in Japan and used the same number. > > The race was from Parts Master #PM 14276 made in China. > > Im not sure where Ricks bearings are made but no compny in the US > > makes bearings now- according to my local parts man. SO,if > you shop around in some smaller towns with older business's, > you might get lucky and find a USA bearing laying on the > shelf.Good luck, TonytheTiger The Bower race(USA) used the > same 14276 part number. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 30 00:01:03 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: "A. C. Tynes" , Tiger's Den Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 23:00:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] axle bearing part numbers A.C., Thanks for the info, but just becausebecuse they are the same size, doesn't mean a foreign manufacturer would have the same quality. In some cases, they might be better. BUT, I don't know. MORE LATER ON A Part Number question. Steve Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com > ___ > > I have a slight recollection that ball and roller bearing and race part > numbers are standardized among all manufacturers. A "25577" would be the > same, at least in theory, whether made by Timken or Joe Doakes Bearing > Company. Maybe seals for ball and roller bearings, also? Anybody else > remember this? > > A. C. Tynes > New Orleans _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 30 00:26:04 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 23:26:11 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] axle bearing REDUX Tigers, We are very fortunate to have REAL experts (BTDT). After my post on rear axle bearings and seals, I had a nice reply from The Guy That Knows - Tom Hall (Tiger and TAC specialist). Apparently, I have mixed-up some of the info I got from the Tractor People Parts Warehouse! Tom tell us: Unfortunately you have mixed up the replacement bearing sets in your response. All taper bearings come in "families" with similar part numbers. They vary in ID and OD but the bearing portion is the same. The correct numbers for the outer axle bearings (35 on the factory pictorial) are: Cup 14276 and Cone 14130X. The carrier bearings (10) are: Cup 25523 and Cone 25577. This is only for OEM replacement as some Posi carriers have different ID's and require different bearings. The inner pinion (23) are: Cup 31520 and Cone 31593. the outer pinion (24) are: Cup 02820 and Cone 02872. Correct numbers will surface for the seals. Don't know if the one I provided are correct, but if it isn't properly sealed, it will "bleed" lubricant. Thank you Tom, Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 30 10:09:21 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: , , Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 11:07:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? I just replaced what I believe to be the original water pump. Now that is amazing. Numbers on it are - C5AE-8505-C I will have it rebuilt and put it on the shelf. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 03:18 To: sralsten@ca.rr.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? Steve Here is the original request for information I sent out for the engine study I started. It originated after several requests about what color should the B19KC engine be painted were sent out. TBON lists a Vin # but the correct way to determine the color was to look at the Ford engine Tag numbers and build date code. The B19KC engines built in the spring of 1965 are black, the engines built in Oct 1965 are Blue. From there the engine study grew into a study of all the Tiger engine configurations. The Tiger engines were the first, I believe, large group of smog control engines Ford produced. ---------- I have been studying all the stock Tiger engine configuration from the Ford part number point of view. Hopefully this study will add some details to the collective knowledge base of Tigers and eventually clear up some details about the Tiger engines. I'm only looking at stock Tiger engines with stock Ford parts and I hope you are willing to participate with the following information: Tiger Vin number - Rootes engine number - Engine casting number - Engine casting date - These numbers are just above the starter. If the engine is not out of the car, do not include these numbers unless you know what they are. Intake manifold casting number - Intake manifold casting date - These numbers are on the front 2 runners, the casting date looks like a small plate on the lower runner Engine build date - This number is stamped on a machined pad on the left side just above one of the water pump bolts and in front of the head. If the engine has been decked, it maybe gone. If you have the original oil filter set up; that number is just on the other side of the bracket towards the timing cover; you might not be able to see the number. Don't include it. Engine Tag numbers This is an aluminum Tag mounted to the intake manifold at the left side of the carb and has 2 rows of numbers. If you do not have this Tag, please state that. Pictures are also welcome Thank you for your help. ---------- Obviously you can record part numbers about more than just these and I will gladly help anyone decipher any of the codes. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: sralsten@ca.rr.com [mailto:sralsten@ca.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:57 PM To: awtiger@cox.net; tigers@autox.team.net; 'Bob Dixon'; rfraser@bluefrog.com Subject: RE: [Tigers] Original engine? OK Ron you and Marc talked me into checking for my numbers. I don't recall what the subject line was on the request you sent out so please send again. Steve R B9473720 Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 30 14:18:30 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:18:25 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Pictures On-Line Tigers, I have posted a few pics I took in my "Facebook" album. You can see them at: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=23591&id=1360287247&l=f21ac448f1 If these are on interest, I can post some more. Apparently it's free for members. You, too, can sign-up (free) and post your own. Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 30 16:44:49 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Samouce's'" , , Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:43:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? Duke There should be a date code near the casting number. It will be a year number with raised dots in a circle. I believe your original pump would have a 65 number. Definitely rebuild it. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Samouce's [mailto:wsamouce@kc.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:07 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; sralsten@ca.rr.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Original engine? I just replaced what I believe to be the original water pump. Now that is amazing. Numbers on it are - C5AE-8505-C I will have it rebuilt and put it on the shelf. Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 30 19:43:15 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: , , Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 20:42:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? Just checked. The date code is 64. Duke -----Original Message----- From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com] Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 17:44 To: 'Samouce's'; sralsten@ca.rr.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Original engine? Duke There should be a date code near the casting number. It will be a year number with raised dots in a circle. I believe your original pump would have a 65 number. Definitely rebuild it. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Samouce's [mailto:wsamouce@kc.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:07 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; sralsten@ca.rr.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Original engine? I just replaced what I believe to be the original water pump. Now that is amazing. Numbers on it are - C5AE-8505-C I will have it rebuilt and put it on the shelf. Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 30 20:02:51 2009 From: "James E. Pickard" To: Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 21:02:35 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Brake lines Is there supposed to be some support for the brake line that runs across the firewall? We are getting ready to put the engine back in and this brake line seems to be flopping around quite a bit. Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 31 06:36:48 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Samouce's'" , Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 08:35:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? Duke Interesting; this would seem to indicate that Ford stock piled the aluminum water pump to cover the 260 Tiger engine build. Numbers with history can be interesting. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Samouce's [mailto:wsamouce@kc.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 9:42 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; sralsten@ca.rr.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Original engine? Just checked. The date code is 64. Duke _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 31 08:07:06 2009 From: "Ralph Steinberg" To: "Tigers" Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:02:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] PVGPA Historic Races at BeaveRun It is the last day of May, tomorrow is the last day you can post your entry to the PVGPA Historic races at BeaveRun and still get the discount! In today's world it is probably the best deal in Vintage Racing! If you opt for the full 3 day package you will get more driving time than you may have tires for! We have all sorts of things planned from our included trackside reception on Friday to the optional race dinner on Saturday. On Friday the kart track will be open and we are working on having that open all weekend. If we can entice enough mini's to come out and play we have a separate race for them. Since we offer full refunds there is no reason not to send in your check today. (remember it is made out to PVGPA and so a portion of it is tax deductable - how much is between you, your accountant and God) OUR REFUND POLICY IS THUS - IF YOU DO NOT PUT A WHEEL ON THE TRACK ON Friday OR SATURDAY YOU GET YOUR ENTIRE REFUND. IF YOU PACK UP FRIDAY NIGHT AND GO DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN ANY MORE ACTIVITIES WE WILL REFUND THE RACE WEEKEND PORTION - IF YOU WANT TO HANG AROUND FOR THE WEEKEND BUT YOUR CAR HAS DIED BEFORE THE FIRST SESSION ON SATURDAY WE WILL REFUND JUST YOUR ENTRY FEE. We are planning a big Trans-Am race so we really want to see all of the classic sedans out there. At this particular race we have a spot for a number of cars that are not normally seen at VRG events. One that comes to mind is air cooled Super VEE. Great racing, great fun, and great charities that your entry fees are going to. A perfect summer weekend! For more information forms, links, etc please go to www.cloverleaf-auto.com and click the vintage racing link - click the BeaveRun link next and you should find all you need there or a link to where ever you may want to go - VRG, PVGPA, etc Thanks and I expect to see you there Ralph Steinberg PVGPA Director of Competition BeaveRun Historics _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 31 15:12:48 2009 From: "J. Nichols" To: "Steve Laifman" Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 17:07:35 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Facebook Sunbeam Group "I have posted a few pics I took in my "Facebook" album. " There is a Facebook group dedicated to the Sunbeam Tiger which has many member photos. I created the group back in January. Fell free to add photos or comments. 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(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823251x1201398665/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May ExcfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 31 16:55:31 2009 From: "James E. Pickard" To: Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 17:51:07 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember wedges Do the thick ends of the crossmember wedges go at the back or the front? Also, I haven't gotten any responses on yesterday's question about support for the brake tube that runs across the firewall. Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 31 17:01:37 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: , Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:01:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? It is also interesting that it is a 289 water pump. The 260 never had the addition bosses for the alternator like this one does. The part number indicated a 1965 pump but it was manufactured in 1964. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com] Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 07:36 To: 'Samouce's'; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Original engine? Duke Interesting; this would seem to indicate that Ford stock piled the aluminum water pump to cover the 260 Tiger engine build. Numbers with history can be interesting. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Samouce's [mailto:wsamouce@kc.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 9:42 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; sralsten@ca.rr.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Original engine? Just checked. The date code is 64. Duke _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 31 17:09:41 2009 From: michael king To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:04:15 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] insane ebay sunbeam part Did anyone see this on ebay.. am i missing something? What the hell were people thinking? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290319625917&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AWNA%3AAU%3A1123&viewitem = -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 31 17:26:11 2009 From: "Bob Dixon" To: Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 17:25:03 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? My 260 seems too early for my car. The car is B382001436. The engine is: C4OE-6015E 4E11 date code 4E16F ----- Original Message ----- From: " Ron Fraser" To: ; Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 2:17 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original engine? > Steve > Here is the original request for information I sent out for the > engine study I started. It originated after several requests about what > color should the B19KC engine be painted were sent out. TBON lists a Vin > # > but the correct way to determine the color was to look at the Ford engine > Tag numbers and build date code. The B19KC engines built in the spring > of > 1965 are black, the engines built in Oct 1965 are Blue. From there the > engine study grew into a study of all the Tiger engine configurations. > The > Tiger engines were the first, I believe, large group of smog control > engines > Ford produced. > ---------- > > > I have been studying all the stock Tiger engine configuration from the > Ford > part number point of view. > Hopefully this study will add some details to the collective knowledge > base > of Tigers and eventually clear up some details about the Tiger engines. > > I'm only looking at stock Tiger engines with stock Ford parts and I hope > you > are willing to participate with the following information: > > Tiger Vin number - > > Rootes engine number - > > Engine casting number - > Engine casting date - > These numbers are just above the starter. If the engine is not out of the > car, do not include these numbers unless you know what they are. > > Intake manifold casting number - > Intake manifold casting date - > These numbers are on the front 2 runners, the casting date looks like a > small plate on the lower runner > > Engine build date - > This number is stamped on a machined pad on the left side just above one > of > the water pump bolts and in front of the head. > If the engine has been decked, it maybe gone. If you have the original > oil > filter set up; that number is just on the other side of the bracket > towards > the timing cover; you might not be able to see the number. Don't include > it. > > Engine Tag numbers > This is an aluminum Tag mounted to the intake manifold at the left side of > the carb and has 2 rows of numbers. > If you do not have this Tag, please state that. > > Pictures are also welcome > > Thank you for your help. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 31 18:11:03 2009 From: Dave Munroe To: michael king , Tiger Talk List Tiger Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:10:43 -0300 Subject: Re: [Tigers] insane ebay sunbeam part Mind boggling! But I have said before, and no one commented one way or the other, that this is a sign that non-enthusiast collectors are getting into the Tiger market. If you are an investor, believe that originality in a collectible is required for top dollar returns, and the price multiple between purchase>resto>sale is favorable, then paying really high prices for these items makes sense (to them). Uncrate your hoarded items.... Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael king" To: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 8:04 PM Subject: [Tigers] insane ebay sunbeam part > Did anyone see this on ebay.. am i missing something? What the hell were > people thinking? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290319625917&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AWNA%3AAU%3A1123&viewitem > = > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 31 19:40:18 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Dave Munroe Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:39:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] insane ebay sunbeam part Dave, I always like Michael King's posts. He is a very knowledgeable guy about Tigers and other cars. In this case, THIS "map light" never came with an Alpine or Tiger. Here is the one that did - above the "cubby hole". Won't show on the "List" message. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Dave Munroe wrote: > Mind boggling! > > But I have said before, and no one commented one way or the other, > that this is a sign that non-enthusiast collectors are getting into > the Tiger market. If you are an investor, believe that originality in > a collectible is required for top dollar returns, and the price > multiple between purchase>resto>sale is favorable, then paying > really high prices for these items makes sense (to them). > > Uncrate your hoarded items.... > > Dave > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael king" > > To: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 8:04 PM > Subject: [Tigers] insane ebay sunbeam part > > >> Did anyone see this on ebay.. am i missing something? What the hell were >> people thinking? >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290319625917&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AWNA%3AAU%3A1123&viewitem >> >> = >> >> -- >> Regards >> >> Michael King [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSCF0032.JPG] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive