From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 08:46:43 2009 From: "Buck Trippel" To: Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:36:50 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Distributor Rotors Dan Walters discovered a strange parts problem that might effect any of us. When trying to trace an engine misfire, we about to replace a rotor when Dan noticed that the two looked different. He ended up chucking a rod the sized of a distributor shaft into the lathe and placed the black rotor on it. It fit snugly. Then he moved a cutting tool so that it just made contact with the tool. (you can see pictures on CAT Forum http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?p=310#post310 ) Later he removed the first rotor and inserted a blue one. He did not move the tool but there was a large gap between the tip of the rotor and the tool. The gap measured .084". Has anyone else noticed variations in rotor sizes supplied for Ford distributors? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 08:47:22 2009 From: mike schreiner To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 07:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay I am the guy listing the rusty Tiger. I am not a scumbag and resented the remarks...sorry for my outburst to Duke. I am not the owner of this car, just listing it for a freind. He covered the vin up and said it was for the buyers eyes only. When I asked why he said because Norm is known for labeling a vin as a clone or possible clone with out any proof or even seeing a car. He didnt want this car falsly labelled in case the purchaser actually fixes it . I know at least one tiger owner that Norm has done this too. So I went along with his request. The Alpine parts car is intended to be a source of body panels and x frame pieces....It is up to the owner to decide after inspection as to weather he can repair the tiger or has to make a clone. Personally I think there is nothing wrong with an Alger as long as it is prsented as such. I own one and reported the vin to Norm myself, so it cant be missrepresented after I am gone. By the way Duke, I too am 6'3" and 220....and a long time martial Arts instructor.....I think it is better we are freinds than enemies...i bow respectfully Mike Schreiner _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 08:48:21 2009 From: "Buck Trippel" To: Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:47:50 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Distributor Rotors Sorry for the typos. I'll try again. Dan Walters discovered a strange parts problem that might effect any of us. When trying to trace an engine misfire, we were about to replace a rotor when Dan noticed that the two looked different. He "chucked" a rod the size of a distributor shaft into the lathe and placed the black rotor on it. It fit snugly. Then he moved a cutting tool so that it just made contact with the tip of the rotor. (you can see pictures on the CAT Forum http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?p=310#post310 ) He replaced rotor with a blue one. The tool was not moved. There was a large gap between the tip of the rotor and the tool. The gap measured .084". Has anyone else noticed variations in rotor sizes supplied for Ford distributors? Buck Trippel _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 10:00:52 2009 From: To: Tigers@autox.team.net, mike schreiner Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 15:55:12 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay " By the way Duke, I too am 6'3" and 220....and a long time martial Arts instructor.....I think it is better we are freinds than enemies...i bow respectfully" Very cool, it could be fun ;>) I agree with the friends too. My expertise is in the L.I.N.E. Combatives. http://www.linecombatives.com/TheSystem.html "It is extremely important to use techniques that are not only effective but are also graphically violent. All humans have limitations of psychological acceptance. By training beyond the normal limits of psychological acceptance, two goals are reached; first, the use of such techniques causes psychological shock and hesitation in the enemy. Second, by training beyond the accepted limits the soldier will expand his own limits of acceptance allowing him to continue on with the mission regardless of the intensity of the violence." It is not a sport in any since but training to kill others in close quarters combat. Much restraint must be used if not in a combat situation as to not end up in jail. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 10:03:42 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Buck Trippel'" , Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:02:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor Rotors Buck I have suspected this for a long time. I even sectioned a distributor cap many years ago to be able to check this on the engine but I never followed up on the investigation. Thanks for bringing this up with proof. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Buck Trippel Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 10:48 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Distributor Rotors Sorry for the typos. I'll try again. Dan Walters discovered a strange parts problem that might effect any of us. When trying to trace an engine misfire, we were about to replace a rotor when Dan noticed that the two looked different. He "chucked" a rod the size of a distributor shaft into the lathe and placed the black rotor on it. It fit snugly. Then he moved a cutting tool so that it just made contact with the tip of the rotor. (you can see pictures on the CAT Forum http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?p=310#post310 ) He replaced rotor with a blue one. The tool was not moved. There was a large gap between the tip of the rotor and the tool. The gap measured .084". Has anyone else noticed variations in rotor sizes supplied for Ford distributors? Buck Trippel You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.71/2335 - Release Date: 09/01/09 06:52:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 10:30:27 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: Buck Trippel , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor Rotors Are you running cap and rotor from Blue Streak? Would be curious to see if their rotor should be used with their cap or caps have the same variance. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Buck Trippel To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 7:47:50 AM Subject: [Tigers] Distributor Rotors Sorry for the typos. I'll try again. Dan Walters discovered a strange parts problem that might effect any of us. When trying to trace an engine misfire, we were about to replace a rotor when Dan noticed that the two looked different. He "chucked" a rod the size of a distributor shaft into the lathe and placed the black rotor on it. It fit snugly. Then he moved a cutting tool so that it just made contact with the tip of the rotor. (you can see pictures on the CAT Forum http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?p=310#post310 ) He replaced rotor with a blue one. The tool was not moved. There was a large gap between the tip of the rotor and the tool. The gap measured .084". Has anyone else noticed variations in rotor sizes supplied for Ford distributors? Buck Trippel _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 11:01:03 2009 From: "Kirk Smith" To: Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 09:52:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay Wasn't there someone on here that said he carried around a small block Ford V-8 back in auto shop? Now, there's the guy I want on my side;) Kirk _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 11:15:16 2009 From: To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 17:11:15 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay Tiger question So what did I see on the folding wood table ? Sure looked like a Tiger VIN plate to me, with a couple Tiger scripts and badges. How did it get back in the car with original rivets and how did the hulk get from NWest to Florida. Or was the original Craigs List ad a lie ? Steve ---- mike schreiner wrote: > I am the seller and there is vin plates under the cardboard with the original rivits intact. Mike > > --- On Sun, 8/30/09, sralsten@ca.rr.com wrote: > > > From: sralsten@ca.rr.com > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay Tiger question > > To: tigers@autox.team.net, "Samouce's" , parlanti@comcast.net > > Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 1:04 PM > > I saw this car for sale nearly a year > > ago on Criags. Doesn't seem like much choice but a rebody > > as too much seems lost to rust. I wrote to the seller and > > spoke on the > > phone with him as well. At the time he was saying a "local > > to him" > > TAC guy looked over the car and said it was authentic. > > Since then it seems he's written > > off to Norm to get the build info certs Norm offers, or the > > new seller has done this. > > > > The seller name in this auction does not match the seller > > on craigs list of a year ago. > > but the longshot picture is the same. On CL there was a > > photo of badges and chassis plate > > sitting on a table, not in car any longer. My communication > > with the guy (Jim I think) > > was over the badges on the table. He had Alpine 260 badges > > which I wanted. At that > > time the car was in Oregon or Washington.Now it's being > > sold by mflbmr and in Florida. > > > > Florida guy bought and salvaged what he could ? The > > cardboard may just be hiding > > the fact that theres nothing there. > > > > Steve > > > > ---- Samouce's > > wrote: > > > It is because this scum-bag is selling this car > > specifically for it to be > > > made into a re-bodied car and sold as if it was not a > > rebody. > > > > > > Guys like this really piss me off. > > > > > > Duke > > > B382002037 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > > > On Behalf Of parlanti@comcast.net > > > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 09:41 > > > To: tigers@autox.team.net > > > Subject: [Tigers] ebay Tiger question > > > > > > So, a quick question for the group. Has anyone seen > > the ebay ad for the > > > rusty Tiger in Florida? > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Sunbeam-Tiger-very-Rusty-TAC-certif-Title_W0Q > > > > > QcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem2c50a018b0QQitemZ190331230 > > > 384QQptZSalvageQ5fPartsQ5fCars > > > > > > I noticed that the VIN plate was covered with > > cardboard and sent an email > > > asking if he knew the VIN and JAL numbers. His > > response was "Sorry, that > > > info is only for the buyers eyes". So what gives? > > > > > > Joe Parlanti > > > B382000026 > > > You are subscribed as wsamouce@kc.rr.com > > > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Support Team.NetB http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > You are subscribed as sralsten@ca.rr.com > > > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.NetB http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as mikeflbmer@yahoo.com > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 11:15:38 2009 From: To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 13:14:52 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay One more question... If the VIN is in the car with correct rivets what again is the point of hiding it ??? Its about the only selling point this car has. Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 11:16:24 2009 From: To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 13:15:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay One more question... If the VIN is in the car with correct rivets what again is the point of hiding it ??? Its about the only selling point this car has. Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 11:30:24 2009 From: jhef101@aol.com To: wsamouce@kc.rr.com, Tigers@autox.team.net, mikeflbmer@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:26:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay Wow! haven't been paying much attention to the list recently, we have gone from mundane to downright studly. Jeff Hefner B9470028 -----Original Message----- From: wsamouce@kc.rr.com To: Tigers@autox.team.net; mike schreiner Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2009 11:55 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay " By the way Duke, I too am 6'3" and 220....and a long time martial Arts instructor.....I think it is better we are freinds than enemies...i bow respectfully" Very cool, it could be fun ;>) I agree with the friends too. My expertise is in the L.I.N.E. Combatives. http://www.linecombatives.com/TheSystem.html "It is extremely important to use techniques that are not only effective but are also graphically violent. All humans have limitations of psychological acceptance. By training beyond the normal limits of psychological acceptance, two goals are reached; first, the use of such techniques causes psychological shock and hesitation in the enemy. Second, by training beyond the accepted limits the soldier will expand his own limits of acceptance allowing him to continue on with the mission regardless of the intensity of the violence." It is not a sport in any since but training to kill others in close quarters combat. Much restraint must be used if not in a combat situation as to not end up in jail. You are subscribed as jhef101@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 12:18:06 2009 From: "Jerry & Maureen \(Mo\)" To: "'Buck Trippel'" , Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 13:17:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor Rotors Yes, I have come across the same thing with my Dura Spark II setup (big cap). The way I discovered it was when I cut a "window" out of another cap to check the phasing of the distributor, and sure enough there was about a .100 of an inch gap between the rotor tip and the distributor posts. To solve the "gap problem" I soldered a small piece of copper to the end of the rotor tip, it was so close that it actually touched the contacts at first, but after a few revolutions it cleared itself. (I wouldn't advise getting it that close, but the closer the better). And yes I did have to clean out the shavings that it left behind. I guess the point is that if you have a "hot" ignition system it shouldn't have any problem jumping all the "gaps", but if you have a stock system you don't need to make the system try to jump any more gaps than necessary. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Buck Trippel Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 9:48 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Distributor Rotors Sorry for the typos. I'll try again. Dan Walters discovered a strange parts problem that might effect any of us. When trying to trace an engine misfire, we were about to replace a rotor when Dan noticed that the two looked different. He "chucked" a rod the size of a distributor shaft into the lathe and placed the black rotor on it. It fit snugly. Then he moved a cutting tool so that it just made contact with the tip of the rotor. (you can see pictures on the CAT Forum http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?p=310#post310 ) He replaced rotor with a blue one. The tool was not moved. There was a large gap between the tip of the rotor and the tool. The gap measured .084". Has anyone else noticed variations in rotor sizes supplied for Ford distributors? Buck Trippel You are subscribed as jcmc2006@suddenlink.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 13:15:10 2009 From: Jeffrey Nichols To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Lean and Mean "I am 6'2", 220 lbs and am a hand to hand combat instructor amongst other things in the military." "I too am 6'3" and 220....and a long time martial Arts instructor..." Since we seem to be in an ass-kickin', oriental credential wavin', beatin' the sh*t out of you mood, I will now confess. I'm 5' 11', 195 lbs of beer drinkin', women chasin', Tiger restorin', crotch kickin', eye gougein', walkin' on rice paper without makin' a sound, SOB! Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 13:18:25 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: 'Beamclub' Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 14:17:20 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers, Rust and Final thoughts? In light of the rust discussions and also this eBay Tiger discussion...I am motivated to add my two cents on it...and maybe restate the obvious...so here is my thought: No two Tigers ( or any other car) are presented in exactly the same condition....ever. There is always a car that has more rust than another, or one with less. Anyone can take comfort that there car has less rust in it then someone else's.... The story that Gary W told earlier about the "fist size hole" in the rocker of the red Tiger made me laugh...because my first thought was that I have never bought a project car that didnbt have about that much rust...LOL...and they all get nicely restored, like new...with no reservations and nothing to be ashamed of. Not saying that the car Gary spoke of was a Gem, just saying that I think it's funny that rust condition seems to so distinctly separate everyone's opinion about salvagability of a project....when it's all just sheet metal....its easily replaced and done so very often. This Tiger on eBay that Mike is listing....it could be rough, it could even be really rough...but ANYTHING is fixable with enough money. To me that is rule number one......With enough money....anything is fixable...The HSC was wrecked and fixed....but I never see anyone bash that car...I assume because of its historical significance, and many others....so the new owner of the "clone prone" Tiger after eBay gets their fees could decide to fix it, and IMO, we should support him for it. It's possible of course that I'm biased, my car was purchased from an ex-amateur racer who wrapped the front end of it around a track barrier....many would have totaled it or parted it out, or even made it a donor to an Alpine.......but I purchased a Tiger front clip from a VERY well known and respected member of the Tiger community who chimes in on the list occasionally, and I restored the front end sheet metal on my car to perfection. When I say perfect, I mean if anything, it's BETTER than it was when it was new....which isn't saying a lot since they weren't built within very tight tolerances to begin with IMO...So that car is dead-on straight...and Tiger correct down to the last muddy weld...I would challenge anyone that says otherwise. ( humorously challenge, because I'm only 180 lbs and never been in a fist fight in my life, and would probably get my a$$ whipped) Cars can be saved gentlemen, no matter how bad we think they are....some would argue it's never too late....( although I've seen some real challenges too) .....plus I have never had the means or the desire to search out only rust-free cars from Arizona and southern Cal....Oklahoma has some hidden treasures lurking in barns and garages occasionally too. And rust in a floor board or a rocker doesnbt scare me in the least....I think maybe itbs a matter of perspective. Just a thought...fire away if necessary. C _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 16:03:55 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, Jeffrey Nichols Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 18:03:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lean and Mean I'm 6'1" 250 lbs (too much of it fat) and have a pacemaker but I'm not much concerned about tougher physical specimens because I know the phone number to the police dept. I do get pretty fisty when anyone starts telling me about their physical attributes and their martial shit because they think they can force me to shut up. Steve B9473720 LROFE (Not covered in cardboard) (or rust) ---- Jeffrey Nichols wrote: > "I am 6'2", 220 lbs and am a hand to hand combat > instructor amongst other things in the military." > > "I too am 6'3" and 220....and a long time martial Arts instructor..." > > > Since we seem to be in an ass-kickin', oriental credential wavin', beatin' > the sh*t out of you mood, I will now confess. I'm 5' 11', 195 lbs of beer > drinkin', women chasin', Tiger restorin', crotch kickin', eye gougein', > walkin' on rice paper without makin' a sound, SOB! > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten@ca.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 16:15:13 2009 From: Jeff Howarth To: sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 23:13:10 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lean and Mean Steve, I sincerely hope you checked it doesn't say LUCAS on the pacemaker :-) Jeff - on the peaceful side of The Pond - birthplace of Sunbeams and err, Lucas In message <20090901220349.9KKKJ.531713.root@cdptpa-web14-z01>, sralsten@ca.rr.com writes >I'm 6'1" 250 lbs (too much of it fat) and have a pacemaker >but I'm not much concerned about tougher physical >specimens because I know the phone number to the police dept. >I do get pretty fisty when anyone starts telling me >about their physical attributes and their martial shit >because they think they can force me to shut up. > >Steve >B9473720 LROFE (Not covered in cardboard) (or rust) > > >---- Jeffrey Nichols wrote: >> "I am 6'2", 220 lbs and am a hand to hand combat >> instructor amongst other things in the military." >> >> "I too am 6'3" and 220....and a long time martial Arts instructor..." >> >> >> Since we seem to be in an ass-kickin', oriental credential wavin', beatin' >> the sh*t out of you mood, I will now confess. I'm 5' 11', 195 lbs of beer >> drinkin', women chasin', Tiger restorin', crotch kickin', eye gougein', >> walkin' on rice paper without makin' a sound, SOB! >> >> Jeff >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as sralsten@ca.rr.com >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as jeff@v8tiger.demon.co.uk > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > -- Jeff Howarth _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 16:30:19 2009 From: Marc James Small To: ,tigers@autox.team.net, Jeffrey Nichols Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:16:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lean and Mean At 06:03 PM 9/1/2009, sralsten@ca.rr.com wrote: >I'm 6'1" 250 lbs (too much of it fat) and have a pacemaker >but I'm not much concerned about tougher physical >specimens because I know the phone number to the police dept. >I do get pretty fisty when anyone starts telling me >about their physical attributes and their martial shit >because they think they can force me to shut up. Shucks, I'm in worse shape than you. But I keep Mr Ruger on hand, the selected weapon-of-choice for the past four decades for the Mafia hit-men. Remember that scene in the first Indiana Jones movie? The Arab starts twirling the knife and Indie just blasts him away. QED. Peace through Fire Superiority. Let's get back to discussing cars. Little guys, after all, can drive big cars. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 16:31:58 2009 From: Marc James Small To: Jeff Howarth ,sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:31:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lean and Mean At 06:13 PM 9/1/2009, Jeff Howarth wrote: > >I sincerely hope you checked it doesn't say LUCAS on the pacemaker Shucks, if it were to be a Lucas pacemaker, you simply would have to cut your chest open every week to clean the contacts. And Bob's Your Uncle. Could not be simpler. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 16:33:04 2009 From: "Mountjoy" To: Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 15:32:58 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay Duke & Mike, With all the talk of your physical prowess, it really begs one important question for me... At 6'-3" each, how can either of you fit in a Tiger? I'm a measly 6'-1" and I have to scrunch down with knees splayed around my smaller diameter steering wheel just to get a decent view through the glass. Really, I want to know? Darrell (Look out, I've got a banana and it might be loaded !) BTW, I commend you both on your skills. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 17:04:20 2009 From: "Kirk Smith" To: Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:03:51 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay Which just begs the question- who's the biggest person to ever stuff themselves into a Tiger? I think Rick Mueller might be one of the taller ones... Kirk _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 17:17:07 2009 From: "Kirk Smith" To: Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:12:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay How about 'Tiny' Lewis? Kirk _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 17:47:37 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Mountjoy'" , Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 19:42:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay Darrell At 5'8" I can't really comment about the fit of a taller person in a Tiger but from what I have seen they have little problem. I once saw a 6'6" gent unscrew himself from a 289 powered Griffith. It was painful just watching. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mountjoy Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 6:33 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay Duke & Mike, With all the talk of your physical prowess, it really begs one important question for me... At 6'-3" each, how can either of you fit in a Tiger? I'm a measly 6'-1" and I have to scrunch down with knees splayed around my smaller diameter steering wheel just to get a decent view through the glass. Really, I want to know? Darrell (Look out, I've got a banana and it might be loaded !) BTW, I commend you both on your skills. You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.71/2335 - Release Date: 09/01/09 06:52:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 19:47:39 2009 From: PhastPhill@aol.com To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, dsmtjoy@cox.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 21:38:20 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay In a message dated 9/1/2009 7:48:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rfraser@bluefrog.com writes: once saw a 6'6" gent unscrew himself from a 289 powered Griffith. It was painful just watching. Yes but driving a 289 Griffith would make it all worthwhile. I'm 6' 1" and can fit in a Tiger or a Bugeye no problem. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 19:48:16 2009 From: "Joe Brown" To: "'Mountjoy'" , Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 20:40:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay I love you guys. A couple of days ago I asked if anyone had any experience with Eastwood's "Heavy Duty Anti-Rust" and the conversation morphed into whether or not Ziebart works and then morphed into a rusty Tiger in Florida and now we are talking about Kung Fu Fighting. Thanks, Joe Brown Arlington, TX B382000217 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mountjoy Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 5:33 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay Duke & Mike, With all the talk of your physical prowess, it really begs one important question for me... At 6'-3" each, how can either of you fit in a Tiger? I'm a measly 6'-1" and I have to scrunch down with knees splayed around my smaller diameter steering wheel just to get a decent view through the glass. Really, I want to know? Darrell (Look out, I've got a banana and it might be loaded !) BTW, I commend you both on your skills. You are subscribed as jbbrown1980@gmail.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 19:49:33 2009 From: David T Johnson To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 18:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] test from yahoo test _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 21:18:36 2009 From: "awtiger" To: "Joe Brown" , "'Mountjoy'" , Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 22:06:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay Ah, yes, grasshopper...this is an interesting group... Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740) B9006857LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Brown" To: "'Mountjoy'" ; Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay >I love you guys. A couple of days ago I asked if anyone had any experience > with Eastwood's "Heavy Duty Anti-Rust" and the conversation morphed into > whether or not Ziebart works and then morphed into a rusty Tiger in > Florida > and now we are talking about Kung Fu Fighting. > > Thanks, > Joe Brown > Arlington, TX > B382000217 > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Mountjoy > Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 5:33 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay > > Duke & Mike, > > With all the talk of your physical prowess, it really begs one important > question for me... > > At 6'-3" each, how can either of you fit in a Tiger? I'm a measly 6'-1" > and > > I have to scrunch down with knees splayed around my smaller diameter > steering wheel just to get a decent view through the glass. > > Really, I want to know? > > Darrell > (Look out, I've got a banana and it might be loaded !) > > BTW, I commend you both on your skills. > You are subscribed as jbbrown1980@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as awtiger@cox.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 21:32:45 2009 From: michael king To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:23:40 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Talking tough I find it hard to get worried about physical threats from anyone in this group.. I mean.. you all drive girls cars... well Alpines are apparently girls cars.. so I guess that makes Tigers tough girls cars? -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 21:33:18 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:32:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lean and Mean Yea..., well..., I'm 5' 11-3/4". But here's the scary part - I tip the scales at a hefty 151 pounds! Yea, basically I turn sideways and you can't see me. So, flail you manly selves around with precision gyrations. What you can't see, you can't hit. And if that doesn't have you shaking in your boots then get ready to meet my "Stealthy Son." Yep, the kid is 6'2" and weighs in at a carbon fiber like 135 pounds. You guys might as well be blind! All in fun of course. :-) Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 21:48:38 2009 From: "Thomas Prager" To: "tigers_United_forum" Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 22:47:00 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] tough talk I propose a "cage fight" between the contenders for pink slips! tom prager _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 2 00:18:17 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 2:11:24 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] B9470817 LRXFE on Craig's list Hi Everyone, I'm new to the e-mail list and am seriously looking to buy a Tiger/have cash. I saw B9470817 LRXFE on the street in Los Angeles at the end of July and found out it was coming up for sale for $27,400. After a closer look, that provided my mentors more information about the car, (thank you, thank you, thank you so much for your help!), I passed on buying the car. Apparently, the other "interested" party passed as well because it is now posted on Craig's list for $25,900. http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/1342558095.html Here's a link to the pictures that we took for those of you that are curious. http://gallery.me.com/deljohns#100118 If anyone hears of a nice, clean, rust free driver, preferably located on the West Coast, please contact me. Thanks, Christine cspoor@roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 2 02:20:02 2009 From: "Harry B. Elam" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 04:20:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Repair Anyone have an address or phone number for MOMO or MOMA who used to repair gages for us? Thanks, Harry Elam B382000471 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 2 05:17:45 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Harry B. Elam'" , Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 07:11:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speedo Repair Harry Here is the address I have and hopefully it is still current. Mo-Ma 1321 2nd St. N.W. Albuquerque, N.M. 87102 505 766-6661 Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Harry B. Elam Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 4:21 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Repair Anyone have an address or phone number for MOMO or MOMA who used to repair gages for us? Thanks, Harry Elam B382000471 You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.74/2339 - Release Date: 09/01/09 06:52:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 2 11:33:04 2009 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: norcal-saac@yahoogroups.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:28:54 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Question on sharing vin # I have a potential buyer for my '07 Shelby GT in Colorado. He has reviewed detailed pictures I've sent and seems serious about buying, but is now asking for the vin #, needed to "get an insurance quote" from his agent. I believe he would also run a Carfax (I would). Anyhow, any issues, concerns or problems associated with sharing the vin with an unknown party? Signed, Paranoid in Alamo aka Mike Wood PS If any of you locals would like to buy the car, it would make my life much easier and make you a happy camper...it is a great car! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 2 11:50:17 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , , Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:47:59 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Question on sharing vin # I don't have good knowledge of CA registration practices but I think it's pretty common now for insurance companies to quote straight off a VIN, since they can pull all the necessary details of the car from the DMV registry database. Our insurer did it when my wife bought a 2006 Subaru this spring - they instantly knew everything about the car including the color. I'm not sure how closely the various state agencies might interchange information. I would think that if you're the one that has the official state issued registration documents there shouldn't be much question about who really owns the car - they could try to forge a registration doc and then try to transfer it to themselves but that wouldn't hold up under scrutiny. Anyone can read the vin of your car from the base of the windshield, too... And since they're right there, they can also get the license plate number and the numbers off your current registration sticker. I think you'd be in much more danger of someone trying to clone a registration when you park your car a the local mall, than from some guy in Colorado. Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 2 12:03:20 2009 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: Theo.Smit@dynastream.com, norcal-saac@yahoogroups.com, Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:52:04 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Question on sharing vin # Good advice. I think it shouldn't be a problem. In a message dated 9/2/2009 10:50:33 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Theo.Smit@dynastream.com writes: I don't have good knowledge of CA registration practices but I think it's pretty common now for insurance companies to quote straight off a VIN, since they can pull all the necessary details of the car from the DMV registry database. Our insurer did it when my wife bought a 2006 Subaru this spring - they instantly knew everything about the car including the color. I'm not sure how closely the various state agencies might interchange information. I would think that if you're the one that has the official state issued registration documents there shouldn't be much question about who really owns the car - they could try to forge a registration doc and then try to transfer it to themselves but that wouldn't hold up under scrutiny. Anyone can read the vin of your car from the base of the windshield, too... And since they're right there, they can also get the license plate number and the numbers off your current registration sticker. I think you'd be in much more danger of someone trying to clone a registration when you park your car a the local mall, than from some guy in Colorado. Theo You are subscribed as mwood24020@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 2 12:14:21 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: Theo.Smit@dynastream.com, MWood24020@aol.com, Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 14:02:44 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Question on sharing vin # There have been some cases (scams), and I think one with a Tiger, where someone took the pictures and VIN of cars and then tried to sell the vehicle on either EBay or some other site. The "seller" claimed the car was in a foreign country. Of course in this situation the one who would get hurt is the buyer stupid enough to send a deposit without actually seeing and checking the car. I can't see how the real owner would get hurt. And as Theo said, much of the information is available from viewing the car in a parking lot. Mark L In a message dated 9/2/2009 1:50:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Theo.Smit@dynastream.com writes: I don't have good knowledge of CA registration practices but I think it's pretty common now for insurance companies to quote straight off a VIN, since they can pull all the necessary details of the car from the DMV registry database. Our insurer did it when my wife bought a 2006 Subaru this spring - they instantly knew everything about the car including the color. I'm not sure how closely the various state agencies might interchange information. I would think that if you're the one that has the official state issued registration documents there shouldn't be much question about who really owns the car - they could try to forge a registration doc and then try to transfer it to themselves but that wouldn't hold up under scrutiny. Anyone can read the vin of your car from the base of the windshield, too... And since they're right there, they can also get the license plate number and the numbers off your current registration sticker. I think you'd be in much more danger of someone trying to clone a registration when you park your car a the local mall, than from some guy in Colorado. Theo You are subscribed as coolvt@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 2 12:26:27 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:06:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Question on sharing vin # agreed....fairly public info. Oklahoma insurance companies can quote you directly from VIN as well...for newer cars at least. I often request VIN when making inquiries on old cars off the net, like ebay or craiglist to decode and make sure its not a MkII or a Shelby mustang that has been repainted or whatever.... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 2 12:26:36 2009 From: Rob Bernardino To: MWood24020@aol.com Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:09:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Question on sharing vin # If I were looking to buy a Tiger I would insist on seeing the VIN#. I think we all agree on that. This probably is no different. Rob Rob in CT 1966 Mk1A Tiger On Sep 2, 2009, at 1:52 PM, MWood24020@aol.com wrote: > Good advice. I think it shouldn't be a problem. > > > In a message dated 9/2/2009 10:50:33 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > Theo.Smit@dynastream.com writes: > > I don't have good knowledge of CA registration practices but I think > it's pretty common now for insurance companies to quote straight > off a > VIN, since they can pull all the necessary details of the car from > the > DMV registry database. Our insurer did it when my wife bought a 2006 > Subaru this spring - they instantly knew everything about the car > including the color. I'm not sure how closely the various state > agencies > might interchange information. > > I would think that if you're the one that has the official state > issued > registration documents there shouldn't be much question about who > really > owns the car - they could try to forge a registration doc and then > try > to transfer it to themselves but that wouldn't hold up under > scrutiny. > > Anyone can read the vin of your car from the base of the windshield, > too... And since they're right there, they can also get the license > plate number and the numbers off your current registration sticker. I > think you'd be in much more danger of someone trying to clone a > registration when you park your car a the local mall, than from > some guy > in Colorado. > > Theo > You are subscribed as mwood24020@aol.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as crbernardino@mac.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 2 12:50:54 2009 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 14:50:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lean and Mean Enough already!! I'm really getting tired of wiping off my keyboard from all the testosterone dripping from the monitor. We all know that anyone who drives little antique cars with big American engines has got to have cajones in one way or another. Bugz, who is 6' and 16 stone and depends upon his .45 cal NRA match-winning skills to keep him out of trouble... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 2 15:19:31 2009 From: "Mountjoy" To: Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 14:14:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 342 "...Yea, basically I turn sideways and you can't see me...." Okay Tom, I'll buy into that, but you better keep your fly up ! "...All in fun of course. :-)..." Of course ! Darrell ------------ ---Original message--- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:32:46 -0700 From: "Thomas Witt" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lean and Mean To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Yea..., well..., I'm 5' 11-3/4". But here's the scary part - I tip the scales at a hefty 151 pounds! Yea, basically I turn sideways and you can't see me. So, flail you manly selves around with precision gyrations. What you can't see, you can't hit. And if that doesn't have you shaking in your boots then get ready to meet my "Stealthy Son." Yep, the kid is 6'2" and weighs in at a carbon fiber like 135 pounds. You guys might as well be blind! All in fun of course. :-) Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 2 17:04:22 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, Mountjoy Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] humor in kids Tom your 6'2" son is 135. At age 17 when I graduated from military school. 5/31/70 I was over 6' and 135, now Im just short of 6'2 and Im at least 280. Of sourse before the back problems, depression from being broke and broken down I was 230 and not fat. Now a mean 6th grader could whip me. Im glad Mike and Duke are both my buddies. So no one get any ideas, I have two other good friends too. Smith and the oil guy, Wesson. I used to carry their 38 but the 380 is easier to load. No I dont lock my doors during the night, the only thing I own is a Tiger and some parts and they arent at my house- well, some parts always are- in every room even, cept the bat room and U can read about Tigers if you like, while in there.That all said, your son may get a job working construction, eat enough to feed three grown men and get so big and strong he can lift the Tiger up to place a jack stand. By then Im sure he will want to call it HIS Tiger. How will you tell him different? TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 2 17:21:06 2009 From: "Scattt" To: "Kirk Smith" , Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 19:20:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay I an 6'5" and about 290. My son is 6'7" and at 400+ is my co-pilot. He can't get his size 20 shoes around the pedals. We have actually had people wait around car shows to see us both get into the Tiger. I refer to it as a "well fed cat". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay > Which just begs the question- who's the biggest person to ever stuff > themselves into a Tiger? I think Rick Mueller might be one of the taller > ones... > > Kirk > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as scattt@verizon.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 2 17:32:23 2009 From: "Kirk Smith" To: Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:22:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay You guys win hands (or is it feet) down! Amazing!! Kirk. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 2 18:32:40 2009 From: David T Johnson To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 17:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) If you get this, let me know. It looks like I have been killed from sending. Dave _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 2 18:48:32 2009 From: Gary To: Kirk Smith , tigers@autox.team.net, Scattt Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 17:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay I am one of those people. I can vouch for this at SUNI in Park City. Good thing it's a MK II with a 289 and not a poor MK I with an anemic 260. A very nice MK II, I might add. Gary --- On Wed, 9/2/09, Scattt wrote: From: Scattt Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay To: "Kirk Smith" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 4:20 PM I an 6'5" and about 290. My son is 6'7" and at 400+ is my co-pilot. He can't get his size 20 shoes around the pedals. We have actually had people wait around car shows to see us both get into the Tiger. I refer to it as a "well fed cat". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay > Which just begs the question- who's the biggest person to ever stuff > themselves into a Tiger? I think Rick Mueller might be one of the taller > ones... > > Kirk > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as scattt@verizon.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as maliburevue@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 2 19:33:46 2009 From: "Jerry & Maureen \(Mo\)" To: Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:25:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Texas TAC Scheduled List, Well, it's on - "The Texas TAC Session." Come one, come all who want to get their Tigers TACed. Below is the event information. Please contact Rob Roy at racetig@hotmail.com to let him know if you plan to attend. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 _____ From: Rob Roy [mailto:racetig@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 6:55 PM To:; Subject: Texas TAC Scheduled All, Saturday, October 17, 2009 has been scheduled for a TAC session. Representatives Patrick King and Tom Hall from Sunbeam Tigers of America (STOA) will be on site on this date only. STOA is the creator and registry of the Tiger Autentication Committee (TAC). The location of the event will be: 517 Elaine Street Keller, Texas 76248 (Approximately 15 miles north of downtown Fort Worth, Texas just off I-35W) (Approximately 7 miles southeast of the Texas Motor Speedway (NASCAR track)) At present there are ten (10) cars/owners that have expressed interest in having their cars authenicated. It is imperative that you contact me if you will be attending. This will allow for the scheduling of logistics necessary for the event. I need the following: - Approximate time you anticipate being at the inspection location noted above - Is your car driveable or will it remain on/in a trailer Contact me directly by reply email or call my cell at 817-313-5427. I need to hear from you no later than Friday, October 9. This can be a super event that puts names/faces together. It will allow you to interface with our West Coast counterparts who have extensive knowledge of the Sunbeam Tiger as well as insight into some great modifications that are currently available for our cars. Please pass this along to other Tiger owners. I look forward to hearing from you. Rob Roy TAC Insp #54 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 2 19:47:31 2009 From: phastphill@aol.com To: maliburevue@yahoo.com, twotigers@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net, Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 21:38:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay ---- Original Message ---- From: Gary To: Kirk Smith ; tigers@autox.team.net; Scattt Sent: Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:46 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay I am one of those people. I can vouch for this at SUNI in Park City. Good thing it's a MK II with a 289 and not a poor MK I with an anemic 260. A very nice MK II, I might add. Gary --- On Wed, 9/2/09, Scattt wrote: From: Scattt Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay To: "Kirk Smith" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 4:20 PM I an 6'5" and about 290. My son is 6'7" and at 400+ is my co-pilot. He can't get his size 20 shoes around the pedals. We have actually had people wait around car shows to see us both get into the Tiger. I refer to it as a "well fed cat". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay Long story that goes back to the 60's and high school. But in a round about way thanks to Nick and his mates I have a MK II Tiger They got my H.S. friend to buy the tiger and then he passed it on to me. There is a whole nother story involving the same friend and another and my owning a national concours winning bugeye, all fom the same H.S. I owned the bugeye for 35 years, so if I own the Tiger for the same time frame I'll be over 90!! Anyway thanks for all your help Nick.......cheers....phil _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 2 20:02:43 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: "'Scattt'" , "'Kirk Smith'" Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:54:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay Yep...saw this first hand a SUNI. It was amazing to see you two run down the road in that Tiger. You are both on my side forever. Duke -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scattt Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 18:21 To: Kirk Smith; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay I an 6'5" and about 290. My son is 6'7" and at 400+ is my co-pilot. He can't get his size 20 shoes around the pedals. We have actually had people wait around car shows to see us both get into the Tiger. I refer to it as a "well fed cat". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay > Which just begs the question- who's the biggest person to ever stuff > themselves into a Tiger? I think Rick Mueller might be one of the taller > ones... > > Kirk > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as scattt@verizon.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as wsamouce@kc.rr.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 2 21:21:06 2009 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: "'awtiger'" , Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 22:20:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Battery chargers Andy, I'm used to chargers being warm, but I've never felt one I thought was "very hot". I would check it by first connecting the Alpine charger directly to the battery. If it works normally, there is most likely a problem in your quick connect pigtail. If the Alpine charger still gets hot, the next thing I would try is putting the Tiger charger directly on the Alpine's battery. If that charger then operates normally, the Alpine charger most likely has a problem. If the Tiger charger also gets very hot, I would suspect a short in the Alpine's wiring. For sure, I would not leave the Alpine charger connected and feeling hot unless I was standing right there with it ready to throw the switch. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of awtiger > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:01 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net; alpines > Subject: [Tigers] Battery chargers > > Hey, fellas: > > Got a question for those of you who use battery chargers. > I've got a couple of "Battery Tender Plus" units for my Tiger > and my Alpine. I hooked them up last night after having them > off the cars for the last month and the one on the Tiger did > exactly what it was supposed to do. The one on the Alpine, > however, still shows a steady red light (which, according to > the instructions, means the battery is not charged yet) and > the unit is very hot to the touch. > > I know for a fact that the battery was not that low on the > Alpine. I keep the quick-connect charging pigtails on both > cars at all times and nothing has changed on either car since > the last time they were on the chargers. The thing that > worries me about it is the fact that the Alpine's charger is > very hot. Is this normal? I sure don't want to burn down my > shop and the two cars!!!!! > > Thanks, > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740) > B9006857LRX > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as v8tracker@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 3 08:03:28 2009 From: To: Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 10:02:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Battery chargers If the battery minder still feels hot when the battery is disconnected from the car's electrical system, then most likely the battery has an internal short circuit between the plates. Plates' deterioration produces sediments at the bottom of the battery that can cause an internal short circuit. Perform a load test or have a battery retailer perform a load test to determine the condition of the battery. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of awtiger Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:01 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net; alpines Subject: [Tigers] Battery chargers Hey, fellas: Got a question for those of you who use battery chargers. I've got a couple of "Battery Tender Plus" units for my Tiger and my Alpine. I hooked them up last night after having them off the cars for the last month and the one on the Tiger did exactly what it was supposed to do. The one on the Alpine, however, still shows a steady red light (which, according to the instructions, means the battery is not charged yet) and the unit is very hot to the touch. I know for a fact that the battery was not that low on the Alpine. I keep the quick-connect charging pigtails on both cars at all times and nothing has changed on either car since the last time they were on the chargers. The thing that worries me about it is the fact that the Alpine's charger is very hot. Is this normal? I sure don't want to burn down my shop and the two cars!!!!! Thanks, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740) B9006857LRX You are subscribed as huroner@basicisp.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 3 17:48:27 2009 From: "Robin Young" To: Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 19:40:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Amp Meter I recently changed form generator to alternator on my Mk 1. The amp meter quit working about the same time and collective wisdom concluded that the amp meter burned up from the higher current. I pulled it out today and thought I would take a look inside.....nothing is burned and there was no diode or anything else other than an electro magnet about the shape of a paper clip. Apparently the magnet is charged by the direction of current from either the battery or alternator and swings the needle depending on current. It seems that more current from the alternator would pin the needle positive but a failed alternator would just give a typical discharge of amps from the battery. Both of the eight gage wire ends sparked to ground (forgot to disconnect the battery). Do I really need to have the meter worked on or is there some other place I need to investigate? ........think I will repaint the needle while I wait. Robin Young _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 3 19:18:32 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: robin02@mindspring.com Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:09:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Amp Meter Robin, I am sure you will get some better advice from those that have switched (like Theo), but the "paper-clip" magnet should have a fine white insulated wire around it that causes the meter to read. Wiring for the Mk I, Mk IA is shown in the TigersUnited.com web site "Work Shop Manual", at: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/tt-images/MKIABIGwiring.jpg as an option. The alternator equipped Mk II is at: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/tt-images/MKIIBIGwiring.jpg but it does not show any ammeter wiring for this alternator equipped model. Again, thanks to Bill Gegg, for the color diagrams. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Robin Young wrote: > I recently changed form generator to alternator on my Mk 1. The amp meter > quit working about the same time and collective wisdom concluded that the > amp meter burned up from the higher current. I pulled it out today and > thought I would take a look inside.....nothing is burned and there was no > diode or anything else other than an electro magnet about the shape of a > paper clip. Apparently the magnet is charged by the direction of current > from either the battery or alternator and swings the needle depending on > current. It seems that more current from the alternator would pin the > needle positive but a failed alternator would just give a typical discharge > of amps from the battery. Both of the eight gage wire ends sparked to > ground (forgot to disconnect the battery). Do I really need to have the > meter worked on or is there some other place I need to investigate? > ........think I will repaint the needle while I wait. Robin Young _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 3 20:33:53 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:30:28 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 260 Longevity This is a story about a 91 year old lady whose 1964 Mercury Comet V-8 (I read that to mean 260) has over 559,000 miles on it. Apparently it has one rebuild. I thought all you 260 owners might find it interesting. Tom http://autos.aol.com/article/rachel-veitch-old-car _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 3 20:48:56 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: atwittsend@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 22:41:43 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 Longevity Did the Comet really only weigh 2,500 lb. ? In a message dated 9/3/2009 10:33:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, atwittsend@verizon.net writes: http://autos.aol.com/article/rachel-veitch-old-car _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 4 06:08:59 2009 From: "steve wick" To: "tigers" Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 04:41:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 Longevity It's possible. Cars back then didn't weigh as much as you'd think, given their size. My '68 Mustang California Special only weighs 2800 lbs. I had a 69 XL Convertible until a few years ago. Probably the biggest, heaviest boat you could get and it weighed the same as the new Shelby Mustang (well within a hundred pounds anyway). The "big" Mustangs ('71-73) weigh less than 3100 lbs, except the convertible. All that comfort and safety stuff on new cars comes at a price. Our Tigers are actually kind of porky for their size when you think about what other cars of the era weighed. Steve (in N.Id.) ----- Original Message ----- From: CoolVT@aol.com To: atwittsend@verizon.net ; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 Longevity Did the Comet really only weigh 2,500 lb. ? In a message dated 9/3/2009 10:33:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, atwittsend@verizon.net writes: http://autos.aol.com/article/rachel-veitch-old-car _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as srwick@hotmail.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 4 06:37:48 2009 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 08:30:25 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 260 longevity and weight According to the video, this '64 Caliente sedan with a 260 (I think Tom is right about which V8) weighted about 2500 lbs. I don't have specific specs for this exact car, but thought I would give weights for similar models, according to Auto Universum 1964: Comet 404 sedan 170CID 2475lbs (dry) Comet Caliente hardtop 260CID 3002lbs Falcon Futura hardtop 260CID 2766 lbs Falcon Sprint hardtop 260CID 2815 lbs Falcon Futura sedan 260CID 2720 lbs Falcon Deluxe 4d wagon 170CID 2687 lbs Apparently, this book was published a few months before the introduction of the Comet Cyclone 289 (and presumably a Falcon Sprint 289) as well as the 1964.5 Mustang, so no specs were listed for these models. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 4 09:24:53 2009 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 11:03:15 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Battery charger Hello To troubleshoot: 1) swap chargers if the original Tiger charger heats up and the original Alpine charger is normal, chargers are ok. If problem follows that charger, probably you have a duff charger 2) If , current charger on the Alpine is now hot, disconnect one or both of the mains from battery to car and leave charger connected to batttery if now cool, there is a short in the car wiring. If still hot, you have a bad battery. Hope this helps Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 4 13:50:15 2009 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net, "Robin Young" Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:45:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Amp Meter (Ammeter) I think what you were looking at when you disassembled the ammeter was the "shunt" wire (which does look quite a bit like a paper clip). The electromagnet (or coil) is attached to the needle and causes itself and the needle to move when a current moves through it. Since the meter carries all of the current coming from the generator or alternator (upwards of 30 amps, possibly), not all of the current could pass through the coil without damaging it. (The coil should be small and light weight so that it can respond rapidly). The shunt is just what the name says. It is a pathway for most of the current to travel without passing through the coil and is connected in parallel to the coil. It is a careful matching of the resistance of the coil and the shunt which determines the maximum current the ammeter can handle. An ammeter works on the same principle as an electric motor - pass a current through a wire embedded in a magnetic field and the wire will experience a force which can be used to produce a rotation. Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 4 15:35:23 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:28:00 EDT Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Who would carry a new or rebuilt wiper motor? Thanks, Mark L _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 4 16:05:31 2009 From: "Will Seay" To: , Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 18:02:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Amp Meter Robin, If I read you correctly, you disconnected your ammeter and inadvertently grounded both of the (8 ga) wires which previously went to the ammeter. And both 'sparked' to ground. The ammeter should have alternator connected to one terminal and battery to the other. If you ground (spark) the alternator side to ground it shouldn't spark - assuming that the engine isn't running while you're doing this. Ground the battery side and it will 'spark'. The fact that both ammeter leads 'sparked' suggests to me that you somehow bypassed your ammeter when you did your alternator install and that both leads are somehow connected to the battery (and probably the alternator too). Check your wiring. Will - B382001570 ____________________________ Will Seay wseay@embarqmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Young" To: Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:40 PM Subject: [Tigers] Amp Meter ... Both of the eight gage wire ends sparked to ground (forgot to disconnect the battery). Do I really need to have the meter worked on or is there some other place I need to investigate? ........think I will repaint the needle while I wait. Robin Young _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 4 22:48:33 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 21:43:19 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Clunker Car Carnage Went to Pick A Part (So. Cal) today. It was rather sad to see engines with silica run through them and stickers attesting to such. At the near by U - Pull Parts they had a plethora (hundreds) of "Clunker Cars." There they had a sign stating they would "remove you from the yard" if you attempted to remove drivetrain components (engine, trans, rear end and even the driveshaft) from the clunker cars. Ford Explorers seemed to be the most represented "clunker vehicle" there. There must have been 50-75 of them. I glanced at the VIN for one. It was under 10 years old and under 100,000 miles. Sad that a lot of decent 302 engines are hands-off! Over on my (Turbo) Pinto side of life, a Sacramento woman is putting the word out that she will buy Pinto's and is asking people NOT to sell them to the wrecking yards. Yes, even the lowly Pinto needs to be rescued. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 07:03:49 2009 From: mike schreiner To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 06:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] clunker program Yes, I saw the same here at our local u-Pull-it...Total waste of good cars and our Tax Dollars....Further proof that Liberalism is a mental disorder! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 07:17:51 2009 From: Carmods@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 09:12:03 EDT Subject: [Tigers] clunker program Does anyone know what the rules are about scrapping the clunkers? * Can the drivetrain and body parts or complete bodies be sold? * Most of those engines are rebuildable. Is that allowed? * Are there any clearly written rules available? John Logan _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 07:18:01 2009 From: "rande" To: atwittsend@verizon.net Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 09:17:13 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] clunkers and Explorers Yes, I too noticed a majority of 1995-1998 Explorers at a local dealers clunker back lot. I remembered that Ford bragged about producing about 500,000 Explorers a year during that period, so that together with their relative high fuel consumption explains why we're seeing a lot of them in recycling yards and clunker lots. I know that only a relative few had 302's, but still, what a waste if the motors were still good. Good point, Tom. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 07:32:53 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: Carmods@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 09:24:27 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] clunker program An article in a local newspaper quoted the dealer as saying that he had to drain the oil from the engine, add some chemical (can't remember what) and then run the engine until it burned itself up! I guess it was okay to sell body parts from the vehicle...although I've heard conflicting stories on that aspect. Some say they have to go to the crusher. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 08:33:04 2009 From: "Alvin Johnson" To: "Thomas Witt" , Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 10:32:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clunker Car Carnage 5.0 explorers have the GT-40 intake & a bigger throttle body, which is an inexpensive performance upgrade to the standard late Mustang V-8. > if you attempted to remove drivetrain components (engine, trans, rear end > and even the driveshaft) from the clunker cars. > > Ford Explorers seemed to be the most represented "clunker vehicle" there. > There must have been 50-75 of them. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 09:50:25 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, Carmods@aol.com Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:50:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] clunker program Only the engines are off limits. ---- Carmods@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know what the rules are about scrapping the clunkers? > * Can the drivetrain and body parts or complete bodies be sold? > * Most of those engines are rebuildable. Is that allowed? > * Are there any clearly written rules available? > John Logan > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten@ca.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 09:51:42 2009 From: kevin beck To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:51:36 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 260 heads I have been talking to a guy about my 260 heads my motor has 3 freeze plugs per side I guess some had 2, my heads valves are 167-145 ,I believe the same as the non 289hp. Is there a difference in the 260 head and a standard 289 head . My book shows they have the same size valves. Physical size of valve area maybe. The guy I'm talking to (emailing) keeps telling me everything about my 260 heads are smaller then the 289. He does make reference at one point 178-145 valves, but they were only used in the 289hp and the 302. Any help out there Kevin _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 10:09:16 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'kevin beck'" , Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 12:06:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 heads Kevin The 260 heads C40E-A have the larger valves; 1.67 & 1.45. This change was made in Feb 1964. The valve size is the same as the 289 in this time frame. The 289 went to a 1.78 intake valve April 1964 in the C4OE-B heads. Ford never changed the HP rating on the 260 engine with the larger valves. The 289 heads all have larger intake and exhaust ports. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of kevin beck Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 11:52 AM To: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] 260 heads I have been talking to a guy about my 260 heads my motor has 3 freeze plugs per side I guess some had 2, my heads valves are 167-145 ,I believe the same as the non 289hp. Is there a difference in the 260 head and a standard 289 head . My book shows they have the same size valves. Physical size of valve area maybe. The guy I'm talking to (emailing) keeps telling me everything about my 260 heads are smaller then the 289. He does make reference at one point 178-145 valves, but they were only used in the 289hp and the 302. Any help out there Kevin You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2345 - Release Date: 09/05/09 05:51:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 10:19:20 2009 From: Gary To: mike schreiner Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 09:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] clunker program This is a perfect example of the fallacy of those in government who believe that they should run the economy, regardless of their party affiliation. The clunker program is typical in that it created a 'false economy', where people did not pay the actual price of the goods they were purchasing, therefore their purchase did not reflect the true demand for that product at that price. Government has once again taken money from those individuals and businesses that had nothing to do with these purchases to subsidize this 'false economy'. This tactic diminishes the purchasing of other products and distorts their price and demand curve. Worst of all, government diverts a portion of this confiscated money for themselves to administer such programs, which adds no value to the economy. Lastly, after the program ends, reality sets back in and the reduced demand for these products leave the showrooms more empty than before. Had the government done nothing, the demand for these products would have eventually sold the same amount of vehicles, the most desirable vehicles would have been purchased, the most financially efficient companies would have been rewarded for their product, all of us who did not purchase one of these vehicles at this present time would have more money in our pockets towards future purchases, and the size of government would have been reduced, albeit small, yet if all these subsidize/give away programs were eliminated, it would have a major positive effect in reducing the size and burden of government. Economies do not run on 'hope'. They run on 'price and demand'. No matter how hard they try, politicians cannot legislate the laws of economics. Gary P.S. I am WAY off topic. --- On Sat, 9/5/09, mike schreiner wrote: From: mike schreiner Subject: [Tigers] clunker program To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009, 6:03 AM Yes, I saw the same here at our local u-Pull-it...Total waste of good cars and our Tax Dollars....Further proof that Liberalism is a mental disorder! You are subscribed as maliburevue@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 11:03:14 2009 From: Stephen Waybright To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 09:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] clunker program It's too bad the CARS program didn't allow the option for lower income folks with really bad clunkers (and who can't afford a used or new car even with the deal) to do an even trade for one of the better program vehicles before it was destroyed. I know CARS feels good to the folks who got to participate (many of whom I know didn't need the HUGE subsidy and were planning to buy a car anyhow) and it plays well in the press, but I see it as a grossly inefficient and largely ineffective program. It ultimately padded dealer margins more than anything. I would have liked to see something like payroll incentives for companies that rehired people they had laid off, though my judgment on that may be blurred since I joined the ranks of the recently unemployed in July. "Hoping to find my next tech-product exec position before I have to sell my Tiger", Stephen Waybright --- On Sat, 9/5/09, mike schreiner wrote: > From: mike schreiner > Subject: [Tigers] clunker program > To: Tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009, 9:03 AM > Yes, I saw the same here at our local > u-Pull-it...Total waste of good cars and our Tax > Dollars....Further proof that Liberalism is a mental > disorder! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 12:03:24 2009 From: cmeinel464@aol.com To: Carmods@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 13:56:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] clunker program John, Engines must be made inoperable by the dealer by draining the oil and using a sodium flush, engine is ran until it seizes.? Body is towed to a authorized junk yard and crushed as soon as possible.. The dealer then gets a form from the junk yard showing that the vehicle has been crushed and sends it to the CARRS Program. Then the dealer waits for the government to send?them a check (4-6 weeks). ?How much is taken off the vehicle before crushing (if anything) is up to the junk yard. Hope this helps, Curt -----Original Message----- From: Carmods@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Sep 5, 2009 9:12 am Subject: [Tigers] clunker program Does anyone know what the rules are about scrapping the clunkers? * Can the drivetrain and body parts or complete bodies be sold? * Most of those engines are rebuildable. Is that allowed? * Are there any clearly written rules available? John Logan You are subscribed as cmeinel464@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 13:06:28 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:06:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] clunker program I sympathize with all the Tiger, and early US performance car owners, that are made to suffer in maintaining their passions. However, I just cannot wrap my head around why the Government subsidizes foreign car sales. Sure, I know that the dealers are here and need financial help, but our entire auto making industry is what the Government is trying to save - isn't it? However, in my concern I think that the few remaining non-smog equipped cars, like ours, are going to be the next target. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 14:34:01 2009 From: "steve wick" To: , "Stephen Waybright" Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 13:24:58 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] clunker program The clunkers program wasn't about greener cars, or anything else except paying off the auto unions for their support in the last election. The government owns GM and Chrysler and wanted to keep the rank and file happy and employed, on our dime, plain and simple. Just my opinion of course. Steve (in N. Id.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Waybright To: Tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] clunker program It's too bad the CARS program didn't allow the option for lower income folks with really bad clunkers (and who can't afford a used or new car even with the deal) to do an even trade for one of the better program vehicles before it was destroyed. I know CARS feels good to the folks who got to participate (many of whom I know didn't need the HUGE subsidy and were planning to buy a car anyhow) and it plays well in the press, but I see it as a grossly inefficient and largely ineffective program. It ultimately padded dealer margins more than anything. I would have liked to see something like payroll incentives for companies that rehired people they had laid off, though my judgment on that may be blurred since I joined the ranks of the recently unemployed in July. "Hoping to find my next tech-product exec position before I have to sell my Tiger", Stephen Waybright --- On Sat, 9/5/09, mike schreiner > wrote: > From: mike schreiner > > Subject: [Tigers] clunker program > To: Tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009, 9:03 AM > Yes, I saw the same here at our local > u-Pull-it...Total waste of good cars and our Tax > Dollars....Further proof that Liberalism is a mental > disorder! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as srwick@hotmail.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 14:48:43 2009 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: "'Alvin Johnson'" , Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 15:40:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clunker Car Carnage The later 5.0 Explorers also have the GT40P heads which are acknowledged as being the best breathing iron heads Ford ever built for the small block V8. They also had the shorter front serpentine drive system which made the overall length of the engine about 1.5 inches shorter - which is important to people doing engine swaps, like me. What a waste to see so many cars with so many good miles and so many usable parts in them destroyed. And the worst of the "clunkers" are still out there because the people who own them can't afford to trade them in on a new vehicle. It's a shame those folks couldn't have access to some of the "clunkers" which are being crushed since one man's "clunker" is another man's new and better used car. A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alvin Johnson > Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 9:32 AM > To: Thomas Witt; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clunker Car Carnage > > 5.0 explorers have the GT-40 intake & a bigger throttle body, > which is an inexpensive performance upgrade to the standard > late Mustang V-8. > > > if you attempted to remove drivetrain components (engine, > trans, rear > > end and even the driveshaft) from the clunker cars. > > > > Ford Explorers seemed to be the most represented "clunker > vehicle" there. > > There must have been 50-75 of them. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as v8tracker@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 15:20:22 2009 From: drmayf To: "A. C. Tynes" Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 14:13:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clunker Car Carnage A.C, I just hijacked your note for my views, not meant to pick on ya... Folks, ya'll talk like every Ford vehicle with stuff that might fit our cars and our hot rods has been crushed. Approximately a 1/2 million cars, give or take a few, went into the clunkers program. A drop in the bucket of the production runs of any of the vehicles given the wide spread of manufacturing years involved. It was my understanding that parts from any of the clunkers, except the engine, which is the only deliberately damaged assembly on the vehicle, could and would be recycled. Recycling involves the reuse of parts as well as crushing. I think if your google the cars program it might shed some light on the recycle aspect. Some mention has been made on the cash aspect of the cars program. Ostensibly, it was to get the "new" car companies back to work and decrease the number of unemployed because of the trickle down through all the suuppliers, etc. However, here is what it was really about (IMHO), it was simply a redistribution of wealth. Folk with good running and newer vehicles are the wealthier citizens while those with beaters are generally the poorer. So what happened? Well, we wealthier folk just paid to transfer up to 4500 of our bucks to the less fortunate folk so they could own a nicer vehicle that gets good mileage and probably has AC and a working stereo system. The sad reality is that a great many of the people who bought new vehicles under the CARS program will not have the money to make the remaining payments. So what happens then? repossesion? No, I think that then we will have a bailout to help those folk to keep their vehicles without having to make payments on them. This entire administration and congress is about redistribuiton of wealth. Why? Because when you have the vast majority of people on the dole, they don't dare vote the people who gave it to them out of office. Our two party system is likely deader than a door nail... off my soap box now.. and headed back under the worlds fastest sunbeam (wannabe).. mayf A. C. Tynes wrote: >The later 5.0 Explorers also have the GT40P heads which are acknowledged as >being the best breathing iron heads Ford ever built for the small block V8. >They also had the shorter front serpentine drive system which made the >overall length of the engine about 1.5 inches shorter - which is important >to people doing engine swaps, like me. > >What a waste to see so many cars with so many good miles and so many usable >parts in them destroyed. And the worst of the "clunkers" are still out there >because the people who own them can't afford to trade them in on a new >vehicle. It's a shame those folks couldn't have access to some of the >"clunkers" which are being crushed since one man's "clunker" is another >man's new and better used car. > >A. C. Tynes >New Orleans > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >>[mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alvin Johnson >>Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 9:32 AM >>To: Thomas Witt; tigers@autox.team.net >>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clunker Car Carnage >> >>5.0 explorers have the GT-40 intake & a bigger throttle body, >>which is an inexpensive performance upgrade to the standard >>late Mustang V-8. >> >> >> >>>if you attempted to remove drivetrain components (engine, >>> >>> >>trans, rear >> >> >>>end and even the driveshaft) from the clunker cars. >>> >>>Ford Explorers seemed to be the most represented "clunker >>> >>> >>vehicle" there. >> >> >>>There must have been 50-75 of them. >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>You are subscribed as v8tracker@gmail.com >> >>Tigers@autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >>http://www.team.net/archive >> >> >_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 15:21:14 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 14:19:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] clunker program Steven, "- since I joined the ranks of the recently unemployed in July." I have been there, being unemployed from Jan. to Aug.. I truly hope your new status is short lived. My sympathies to all who have lost their jobs it being Labor day and all. I'll try and be concise and bring this around to cars, Tigers etc.. In 1985 (age 27) I developed a heart arrhythmia. It was a difficult 5 years until 1990 when a good fortune allowed me to work part time and the arrhythmia subsided significantly. It required giving up my $50 deductible Blue Cross, Dental and Eye benefits now valued at $12,000 a year. I've spent well over $100,000 on "don't loose your house in a crisis insurance" the past 18 years. I won't call it health insurance because after I pay the $7,000 premium and the $5,000 deductible I couldn't afford to live. Back to Cars (sort of): About the only people who can qualify for a car loan today have a decent, stable job. The cars that were deemed "clunkers" didn't look like they came from the poor by any means. I don't mean to insult anyone who used this program. But, a fair amount of people (not everyone) who complain about assisting with a basic human need (healthcare) seemed to have no problem with the general populace (including the poor-er) helping them out to get a new car. I'll say I am NO fan of the current proposed health system. So, I'm not pleading that angle. I'll pay my fair share. But why did a doctor who asked my son to wiggle his legs after surgery (spent all of 2 minutes with him - if that) charge $350??? I found some part time work while unemployed. It took me 32 HOURS to earn what that doctor then asked for 2 MINUTES of his work. That is just not right! My Tiger of 10 years still sits on jack stands. Increasing healthcare cost, decreasing CD interest rates (my "second source of safe income") and inflation have me living (existing) on half the equivalent income I had nearly 20 years ago. So, I was a bit overwhelmed when I saw the "quality" clunkers yesterday. It was just another vivid example as I slide out of the dwindling middle class. I'm glad I bought my $5,000 Tiger "basket case" back in 2000. Maybe it will always be a garage ornament, but at least I've felt like I was "one of the boys." The wife already know if times get harder, it will be one of the last things to go. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 16:03:34 2009 From: Jeff Howarth To: Steve Laifman Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 22:55:26 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] clunker program Steve, you may be right, tigers might be next. To save you all the heart ache I will offer the first return to the country of origin clunker programme. $2000 each and you get a guarantee of a good home and a long life for your tiger in green pastures :-) Seriously, its seems bizarre to trash a good running car. they are doing something similar here.. regards Jeff In message <4AA2B6AC.50201@SoCal.rr.com>, Steve Laifman writes >I sympathize with all the Tiger, and early US performance car owners, >that are made to suffer in maintaining their passions. > >However, I just cannot wrap my head around why the Government >subsidizes foreign car sales. Sure, I know that the dealers are here >and need financial help, but our entire auto making industry is what >the Government is trying to save - isn't it? > >However, in my concern I think that the few remaining non-smog equipped >cars, like ours, are going to be the next target. > >Steve > >___ >Steve Laifman >Editor - TigersUnited.com > >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as jeff@v8tiger.demon.co.uk > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > -- Jeff Howarth _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 16:03:53 2009 From: "C. Robert Bernardino, MD FACS" To: Thomas Witt Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 17:55:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] clunker program I so not know the specifc of why a doctor charged $350 to have your son wiggle his feet. What I can tell you as a physician is that we do not get to charge $350 for simple things like that. Perhaps the hospital charged $350 but I can assure you doctors do not get to charge 350 for examinations. I don't even get paid that to do many surgeries. Plumbers make more unclogging a drain as an emerency then me sewing an eyelid back on a persons face. And most of the time I bill I do not get paid. How many of you are still paying off you student loans and will be for the next 20 years - I would love to put that money towards the Tiger but can't I do agree with a lot of this talk about cash for clunckers but if you want to drag medicine into it without the facts, I warn you. I am 5'8" one buck and a half, don't know martial arts nor do not have a gun. However after the fight is over I will patch you up whether I get paid or not. Rob in CT C. Robert Bernardino, MD FACS Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Residency Program Director Ophthalmic Plastics & Orbital Surgery Sent from my iPhone On Sep 5, 2009, at 5:19 PM, Thomas Witt wrote: > Steven, > "- since I joined the ranks of the recently unemployed in July." > I have been there, being unemployed from Jan. to Aug.. I truly hope > your new status is short lived. My sympathies to all who have lost > their jobs it being Labor day and all. > > I'll try and be concise and bring this around to cars, Tigers etc.. > In 1985 (age 27) I developed a heart arrhythmia. It was a difficult > 5 years until 1990 when a good fortune allowed me to work part time > and the arrhythmia subsided significantly. It required giving up my > $50 deductible Blue Cross, Dental and Eye benefits now valued at > $12,000 a year. I've spent well over $100,000 on "don't loose your > house in a crisis insurance" the past 18 years. I won't call it > health insurance because after I pay the $7,000 premium and the > $5,000 deductible I couldn't afford to live. > > Back to Cars (sort of): About the only people who can qualify for a > car loan today have a decent, stable job. The cars that were deemed > "clunkers" didn't look like they came from the poor by any means. I > don't mean to insult anyone who used this program. But, a fair > amount of people (not everyone) who complain about assisting with a > basic human need (healthcare) seemed to have no problem with the > general populace (including the poor-er) helping them out to get a > new car. > I'll say I am NO fan of the current proposed health system. So, > I'm not pleading that angle. I'll pay my fair share. But why did a > doctor who asked my son to wiggle his legs after surgery (spent all > of 2 minutes with him - if that) charge $350??? I found some part > time work while unemployed. It took me 32 HOURS to earn what that > doctor then asked for 2 MINUTES of his work. That is just not right! > > My Tiger of 10 years still sits on jack stands. Increasing > healthcare cost, decreasing CD interest rates (my "second source of > safe income") and inflation have me living (existing) on half the > equivalent income I had nearly 20 years ago. So, I was a bit > overwhelmed when I saw the "quality" clunkers yesterday. It was > just another vivid example as I slide out of the dwindling middle > class. > > I'm glad I bought my $5,000 Tiger "basket case" back in 2000. Maybe > it will always be a garage ornament, but at least I've felt like I > was "one of the boys." The wife already know if times get harder, > it will be one of the last things to go. > Tom _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as crbernardino@mac.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 16:19:14 2009 From: To: Jeff Howarth , Steve Laifman Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 18:18:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] clunker program I've learned from other groups to stay out of this subject. If you thought it was a good effort at stimulous nobody will change your mind. If you thought it was a total disaster and waste nobody will change your mind. The operative word is the past tense "thought" because it's now over. Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 18:19:30 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: "'C. Robert Bernardino, MD FACS'" , "'Thomas Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 19:16:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] clunker program " I am 5'8" one buck and a half, don't know martial arts nor do not have a gun. However after the fight is over I will patch you up whether I get paid or not." Your on my team...............I call dibbs! Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 6 08:37:11 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 10:36:53 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Non Tiger-Bakelite Repair I have a piece of a door handle/release lever that is a poor design. It breaks about every 6 months. The GM dealer says there is no improved part and they sell a ton of them:-) It is some kind of hard plastic very similar in texture to the old bakelite we are used to. I've tried epoxy, but it doesn't seem to grab on to the bakelite. Is there any kind of a primer that might help or is there another repair substance that I might try? Thanks, Mark _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 6 08:49:24 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 10:43:01 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Wiper motor Still looking for a wiper motor. Mine has a short in one of the windings so it's probably not worth repairing. Anyone know of a source? Does an MG or the like use the same motor? Mark _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 6 12:34:19 2009 From: "Mountjoy" To: Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 11:29:57 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 349 Mark, I think you need to look further back to the root of the problem, not just a Band-Aid fix for the problem. (Ask Rob; he's the Doc.) You mentioned GM, right? Does that tell you anything? ;>)) (Had four GM vehicles; each time came away saying never again. Guess I'm a slow learner.) Darrell ----- Original Message ----- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 10:36:53 EDT From: CoolVT@aol.com Subject: [Tigers] Non Tiger-Bakelite Repair To: tigers@autox.team.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have a piece of a door handle/release lever that is a poor design. It breaks about every 6 months. The GM dealer says there is no improved part and they sell a ton of them:-) It is some kind of hard plastic very similar in texture to the old bakelite we are used to. I've tried epoxy, but it doesn't seem to grab on to the bakelite. Is there any kind of a primer that might help or is there another repair substance that I might try? Thanks, Mark _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 6 12:51:30 2009 From: "Mountjoy" To: Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 11:51:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 349 Mark, I haven't been under my dash to I.D. the wiper motor but I'm assuming it's a Lucas part (wow, that's another can of worms). When I was restoring the Le Mans race car I ran into a number of brick walls... "Gee, those aren't available". One source I found that was a plethora for British items is Holden & Co... http://www.holden.co.uk/ If you have the p/n for the motor, you may get lucky and Holden may have it. I was able to get a lot of electrical items and lenses I needed. They carry a lot of Lucas parts but, sorry, don't think they have any GM door handle thingies. ;>)) Hope Holden can help. BTW, Mark, if you do get lucky with the wiper motor let me know. I need one for the race car. Mine is in the same state as yours and I almost failed Scrutineering (tech) at Le Mans because of it. Darrell ----- Original Message ----- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 10:43:01 EDT From: CoolVT@aol.com Subject: [Tigers] Wiper motor To: tigers@autox.team.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Still looking for a wiper motor. Mine has a short in one of the windings so it's probably not worth repairing. Anyone know of a source? Does an MG or the like use the same motor? Mark _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 6 17:08:11 2009 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: , Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 17:58:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Non Tiger-Bakelite Repair Mark, I have used two products to repair things that nothing else would adhere to. Gorilla Snot (now called Gorilla Glue) and JB Weld. I found that when JBweld would not stick well to something (which was rare), I could drill holes into the edges of the object, force some JB into the holes and then apply some to the edges and sides. The JB in the holes seems to act sort of like reinforcing rods in concrete. No guarantees, but you might get lucky. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 9:37 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Non Tiger-Bakelite Repair > > I have a piece of a door handle/release lever that is a poor > design. It breaks about every 6 months. The GM dealer says > there is no improved part and they sell a ton of them:-) It > is some kind of hard plastic very similar in texture to the > old bakelite we are used to. > > I've tried epoxy, but it doesn't seem to grab on to the > bakelite. Is there any kind of a primer that might help or > is there another repair substance that I might try? > Thanks, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as v8tracker@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 6 18:48:37 2009 From: michael king To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 10:48:24 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 heads > The 260 heads C40E-A have the larger valves; 1.67 & 1.45. This > change was made in Feb 1964. The valve size is the same as the 289 in this > time frame. The 289 went to a 1.78 intake valve April 1964 in the C4OE-B > heads. > > Wasn't that the slip up in homologation that caught rootes out on the monte rally where they were disqulaified for having smaller valaves than the homologation papers said.. they were using the old heads.. not the new larger valve ones and hence were accused of detuning for reliability? -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 06:36:06 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'michael king'" Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 08:35:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 heads Michael I'm not familiar with the disqualification matter but there seems to be some intended fuzzy information in the homologation papers or is it fuzzy interpretation. The small valve 260 heads are C3OE-B; also the valve stems are smaller in diameter. The large valve 260 heads are C4OE-A; with larger valve stems, everything here is similar to the 289 heads. C3AF-F 289 heads have 1.67 & 1.45 valves C4AE-C 289 heads have 1.78 intake valves, Feb 1964 C5AE-B 289 heads have 1.78 intake valves, May 1964 HiPo heads had different casting numbers but follow the same change format. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: michael king [mailto:michael.s.king@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 8:48 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: kevin beck; Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 heads The 260 heads C40E-A have the larger valves; 1.67 & 1.45. This change was made in Feb 1964. The valve size is the same as the 289 in this time frame. The 289 went to a 1.78 intake valve April 1964 in the C4OE-B heads. Wasn't that the slip up in homologation that caught rootes out on the monte rally where they were disqulaified for having smaller valaves than the homologation papers said.. they were using the old heads.. not the new larger valve ones and hence were accused of detuning for reliability? -- Regards Michael King No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.80/2349 - Release Date: 09/06/09 05:51:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 11:24:09 2009 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 13:14:18 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Dashboard Questions Hello All: I am in the process of replacing the dashboard on my Tiger and have come across a couple of things that are a bit puzzling. Behind the dash, as you know, is a large bundle of wires that run from one side of the car to the other, all wrapped together with vinyl tape. I noticed when I removed my dash that there is a clamp around the bundle of wires just to the left of the steering column. It obviously should be attached to something by way of a through bolt to help support the bundle of wires, but I cannot figure out where it should be attached. There doesn't seem to be any obvious attachment point within easy reach of the clamp. I can slide the clamp along the bundle so it is not clear if it is in its original position. Not too long ago I had the steering column removed and rebuilt, so I suspect that the clamp was undone at that time and not put back. Anybody have any thoughts on this? The second mystery has to do with a small bracket that I discovered when I removed my original 43-year-old dash for the first time. Mounted on the back of the dash at about 1 o'clock above the ammeter, when viewed from the back side, is a bracket which is screwed to the dash. There is a tab which is flush with the dash through which a wood screw passes and attaches it to the dash. At right angles to the tab is a circular ring with an o.d. of 15/16 in. and an i.d. of 5/8 in. On close examination, I find no marks on the bracket that indicate that it ever held anything. What the heck is this and what is it doing there? Thanks in advance for your help. Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 12:17:19 2009 From: tym2@comcast.net To: Tiger's List Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 18:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Lower front valance Tigers, Does anyone know about the availability of the lower front valance for purchase? Tanks in advance. Tym McDowell _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 13:25:32 2009 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "tym2@comcast.net" , Tiger's List Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 15:16:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lower front valance I have heard the valances sold by Victoria British are pretty good, requiring a minimum (comparatively) of work to make them fit properly. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tym2@comcast.net Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 11:08 AM To: Tiger's List Subject: [Tigers] Lower front valance Tigers, Does anyone know about the availability of the lower front valance for purchase? Tanks in advance. Tym McDowell _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 13:38:04 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: "'Teepen, Jere'" , , Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 14:28:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lower front valance +1...I had one installed on my car after a floor jack "incident". I am lucky that I live 40 minutes from VB, I had them pull four of them and I picked the best one. $700 is a stupid price but it's the only show in town. My insurance covered the bill. Duke B382002037 From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 15:09:15 2009 From: "Robin Young" To: , "'Tiger's List'" Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 17:01:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lower front valance Tym, apparently there is a source in England that chimed in on the last sheet metal discussion. HE has a lot of panels on hand and has more in the works. If you contact randy willett let us know what you find out. From the discussion, he seems to be the vendor to VB for body parts for Sunbeam. Robin Young -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tym2@comcast.net Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 2:08 PM To: Tiger's List Subject: [Tigers] Lower front valance Tigers, Does anyone know about the availability of the lower front valance for purchase? Tanks in advance. Tym McDowell _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 17:39:56 2009 From: "Harry B. Elam" To: CoolVT@aol.com, dsmtjoy@cox.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:35:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger wiper motor I can confirm from looking under the dash of B302000471 that the motor is clearly marked Lucas. My Rootes parts manual indicates the motor is VIN specific.Early tigers and Alpine 260's used Type DR3A, Sunbeam part number 75462. Later Alpine 260's and Tigers used Type 6WA, Sunbeam part number 75552. Please publish to the list whatever you find. Harry Elam B382000471 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 17:40:18 2009 From: michael king To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:39:01 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] ebay problem Guys, I consider myself a reasonable person.. a few weeks back i won a set of "sunbeam V8" inserts on ebay. They were listed as good condition but the photo was a little average. I paid the seller by paypal including 14.50 postage (this is for those little perspex inserts) to australia, which is normally the USPS small box.. they arrived last week in an envelope clearly marked at under $3... now thats the first issue.. secondly upon removing the inserts they are in quite poor condition and are reproductions.. i contacted the seller about both the condition and the postage costs... he has not responded.. do i leave negative feedback? Do i name him with a caution on the list.. he sells a few Sunbeam Tiger parts? what to do? -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 17:58:12 2009 From: phastphill@aol.com To: michael.s.king@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:57:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem ---- Original Message ---- From: michael king To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Sent: Mon, Sep 7, 2009 7:39 pm Subject: [Tigers] ebay problem Guys, I consider myself a reasonable person.. a few weeks back i won a set of "sunbeam V8" inserts on ebay. They were listed as good condition but the photo was a little average. I paid the seller by paypal including 14.50 postage (this is for those little perspex inserts) to australia, which is normally the USPS small box.. they arrived last week in an envelope clearly marked at under $3... now thats the first issue.. secondly upon removing the inserts they are in quite poor condition and are reproductions.. i contacted the seller about both the condition and the postage costs... he has not responded.. do i leave negative feedback? Do i name him with a caution on the list.. he sells a few Sunbeam Tiger parts? what to do? -- Regards Michael King You are subscribed as phastphill@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive YES AND YES......cheers.....and thanks for the heads up. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 18:09:28 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 17:02:09 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem Makes you wonder if they claim the postage overcharges as income? Ahhhh, - Probably not. Sometimes the packaging (including the box, packing material, tape, time) and the trip to the shipper might be considered "reasonable" over cost. But it sounds like it is WAY over in this case. Feedback was put in to alert other buyers and keep sellers honest. How effective it is, is debatable. My understanding is that the seller can no longer rate the buyer (though they can probably still rebut your comments). Maybe the seller is on the list and just this posting will prompt them to make good. So..., perhaps a little more time? 99% of the time I have been content with what I have bought on Ebay. There were a few times I had to balance high expectations with cost and age realities to overcome a few minor disappointments. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 18:09:40 2009 From: To: Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 20:05:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Cylinder Heads - Small Block Ford If the 5.0L V8 Explorers' GT40P heads are considered the best iron cylinder heads, what are considered the HIGHEST PERFORMING 289 - 347 cylinder heads in iron or aluminum? The answer to this may be more nebulous than direct, but some may have experience with an aftermarket manufacturer's heads that exceeded their highest expectations. Rob Hogan _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 18:09:51 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: michael king Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 17:09:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem Michael, One of the problems of buying "sight unseen" is you have to rely on the lister's description. If the eBay lister says "New", "Original", or "Excellent" condition, and it is not as represented, you have three paths for satisfaction. 1. Contact the seller and ask for them for pre-paid return delivery (RMA), and refund for parts "not being as represented". 2. Contact eBay for "not as represented" issue, if he is resistant, or unwilling. 3. Contact "PayPal" for refund of all monies paid for not being as sold. I just purchased an excellent "Jawbone Prime" Blue Tooth phone ear set from a vendor who always has these types listed. In the past, the description was 40% less than the actual retail version. This offering was listed as "new", "original retail package", and all original accessories were listed as included. I was suspicious, as other offers from him were bulk packed and missing some of the Retail Box contents. (A/C charger, ear buds, ear hooks, manuals) I was prepared to do all the actions recommended above, and took pictures of what was received. Luckily, it came thorough as described, so I didn't have to take the action recommended. I do recommend that any eBay buyer read the descriptions carefully, print copies of offerings, and ask the seller questions if unsure what's being sold. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com michael king wrote: > Guys, > > I consider myself a reasonable person.. a few weeks back i won a set of > "sunbeam V8" inserts on ebay. They were listed as good condition but the > photo was a little average. I paid the seller by paypal including 14.50 > postage (this is for those little perspex inserts) to australia, which is > normally the USPS small box.. they arrived last week in an envelope clearly > marked at under $3... now thats the first issue.. secondly upon removing the > inserts they are in quite poor condition and are reproductions.. i contacted > the seller about both the condition and the postage costs... he has not > responded.. do i leave negative feedback? Do i name him with a caution on > the list.. he sells a few Sunbeam Tiger parts? what to do? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 18:27:17 2009 From: Marc James Small To: "Thomas Witt" , Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 20:21:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem At 08:02 PM 9/7/2009, Thomas Witt wrote: >Makes you wonder if they claim the postage overcharges as income? There are no "postage overcharges". When I sell something, it takes me time to box it and ship it and the postage is generally a small part of that. A minor package might take an hour to pack up properly, and then there is the time at the post office. You buyers are a bunch of wonk know-it-alls. Try SELLING and learn something. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 18:39:40 2009 From: michael king To: Marc James Small Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 10:33:16 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem Marc, I'm not claiming that they should declare it as income.. and hey..i could swallow some costs for carefully packaging.. but with all due respect this was not bubble wrapped.. not boxed, cased in cardboard it was put in a plastic zip bag and straight into the envelope and into the mail... maybe you pack carefully.. maybe you do other things.. but that was not the case with this experience.. and i did not get what i should have.. im not complaining about ebay as much as someone who i feel has misrepresented an item and then overcharged me... Being in Australia i think lots of people are happy to send inferior products as its so much harder for us to chase up due to distance.. 2009/9/8 Marc James Small > At 08:02 PM 9/7/2009, Thomas Witt wrote: > >Makes you wonder if they claim the postage overcharges as income? > > There are no "postage overcharges". When I sell > something, it takes me time to box it and ship it > and the postage is generally a small part of > that. A minor package might take an hour to pack > up properly, and then there is the time at the > post office. You buyers are a bunch of wonk > know-it-alls. Try SELLING and learn something. > > Marc > > > msmall@aya.yale.edu > Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as michael.s.king@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 18:41:10 2009 From: "Jim" To: , Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 17:35:22 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cylinder Heads - Small Block Ford A couple of years ago I bought my new Tiger motor from Fantasy Engines in Rhode Island. It's a 302 (30 over) roller motor with the 'base' TrickFlow heads... They claim that they have dyno'd similar engines @ 430 h.p. ! Sounds a tad high to me but...whatever... Funny thing though, I asked if they used the same heads on their stroker motors and they said 'no' ! They quoted another brand which I can't remember but it was curious as they are a TrickFlow dealer. I'm very happy with the motor but have no numbers just subjective ... Jim B382000446 Subject: [Tigers] Cylinder Heads - Small Block Ford If the 5.0L V8 Explorers' GT40P heads are considered the best iron cylinder heads, what are considered the HIGHEST PERFORMING 289 - 347 cylinder heads in iron or aluminum? The answer to this may be more nebulous than direct, but some may have experience with an aftermarket manufacturer's heads that exceeded their highest expectations. Rob Hogan You are subscribed as jim@island.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 18:41:29 2009 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: marcsmall@comcast.net, atwittsend@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 20:38:03 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem Anything I can "learn" from buying and selling on fleabay, I can safely say I don't have any interest in knowing...easy enough to get everything I need from reputable sources. In a message dated 9/7/2009 5:27:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, marcsmall@comcast.net writes: At 08:02 PM 9/7/2009, Thomas Witt wrote: >Makes you wonder if they claim the postage overcharges as income? There are no "postage overcharges". When I sell something, it takes me time to box it and ship it and the postage is generally a small part of that. A minor package might take an hour to pack up properly, and then there is the time at the post office. You buyers are a bunch of wonk know-it-alls. Try SELLING and learn something. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! You are subscribed as mwood24020@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 18:41:36 2009 From: Marc James Small To: michael king Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 20:38:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem At 08:33 PM 9/7/2009, michael king wrote: >Marc, > >I'm not claiming that they should declare it as >income.. and hey..i could swallow some costs for >carefully packaging.. but with all due respect >this was not bubble wrapped.. not boxed, cased >in cardboard it was put in a plastic zip bag and >straight into the envelope and into the mail... >maybe you pack carefully.. maybe you do other >things.. but that was not the case with this >experience.. and i did not get what i should >have.. im not complaining about ebay as much as >someone who i feel has misrepresented an item >and then overcharged me... Being in Australia i >think lots of people are happy to send inferior >products as its so much harder for us to chase up due to distance.. > And with all due respect, Michael, I have not dealt with eBay for three or more years. Folks who do get what they deserve, crappy service from uncaring sellers. I have been an eBay seller and an eBay buyer but I opted out years back. I still have an account, and a very early one, but eBay was a lot more fun back then. I will not do business there again. It costs money to stand in line at the Post Office and no one but a complete idiot would ever ship by UPS or FedEx. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 18:54:58 2009 From: THEO SMIT To: huroner@BasicISP.net Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 18:45:25 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cylinder Heads - Small Block Ford You will have to divide them into (at least) three categories in order to be able to get a fair assessment. First, all iron heads. The GT40P heads might be one of the best just because of the valve size - didn't these come with 1.94/1.54 valves? The issue with Tiger fitment on these is that they do not have the "traditional" spark plug location and angle and so they may interfere with headers. The E7TE heads (standard on trucks and Mustangs from '87 on) were the best "traditional" OEM head as far as I know... and a good base platform for porting if you're so inclined. I have a couple of sets of the E7TE heads and a set of 1.94/1.54 valves sitting on a shelf just in case I get motivated to build a set of cheater heads for my 5.0. There are a couple of vendors of iron aftermarket heads, for race engines in classes where aluminum heads are not allowed. These heads will typically give better performance than the OEM heads out of the box, and they'll either have or allow the use of significantly larger valves without having to compromise the port shape or inside radius. But they cost a lot more than pulling GT40P heads from the junkyard, if you don't factor the cost/time equation on rebuilding and/or porting the heads. The inline-valve aluminum heads are a significant upgrade to the iron heads just because you can run the compression about a point higher than on the iron heads. Plus, they're 25 to 35 pounds lighter per side so you save substantial tonnage where it really counts. There are lots of vendors and you can get a lot of different valve sizes and port/chamber volume combinations, although they're generally oriented towards the 5.0 to 347 end of things. If you're building a 289 then you will have to do some work to get the compression ratio you want. Going up from there you get the canted-valve aluminum heads such as the Trick Flow Twisted Wedge series. These heads allow larger valve sizes and better port orientation than the inline valve heads so they can have better performance in the ultimate limit. With the aluminum heads you have to be careful of the overall height as well as the exhaust port height. Some vendors increase the thickness of the block flange to increase rigidity, as well as increasing the height of the valve cover rail. Raised-exhaust-port heads give better exhaust flow, but standard Tiger headers will not fit. I haven't listed specific brands and models... I'm sure that some of the other Listers can put in their favorites. Even though I've acquired some parts for a performance iron head build, there is so much extra potential in the aluminum heads that I'd most likely go in that direction. At one point I had a set of Trick Flow heads but they went to Tim Ronak and onto his killer 350 Lunati stroker - now I'd probably look at one of the AFR heads just because I've heard good things about them and they're relatively inexpensive. Cheers, Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 19:09:44 2009 From: THEO SMIT To: robin02@mindspring.com Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:02:52 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Amp Meter Your ammeter wouldn't have expired without some substantial amount of smoke and the plastic part in the back would be burned, melted or at least distorted. As was suggested, you've probably miswired it somehow. If you test your ammeter with an ohm meter then it should probably not deflect significantly, and it should read less than 1 ohm if it's in good condition and the shunt is still in place. If that does measure out properly then if you put a new 1.5V AA cell straight across it (not for too long) you'll get probably about a 10 to 12 amp reading. The wires you use to do this may get a little warm, and the battery definitely will (that's why you shouldn't do it for long). A 1.5V AAA battery will peak out at about 6 amps, but a 3V, CR2032 lithium coin cell won't give you more than about 30 milliamps so you won't get too much of a reading from one of those. If the ammeter has much more resistance than 1 ohm then maybe the shunt is burned out... if the needle moves when you test it with the ohm meter then the shunt is toast but the meter movement itself may be OK. In that case do not put a battery straight across the ammeter terminals, because you'll fry the ammeter. You'd need to first find a replacement shunt. Ammeters are kind of a hassle to wire when the alternator can supply a lot of current... there is no real practical way to protect it from full-load currents. As I've previously posted, a voltmeter is a better indication instrument on an alternator equipped car. Cheers Theo ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Young Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009 5:48 pm Subject: [Tigers] Amp Meter To: Tigers@autox.team.net > I recently changed form generator to alternator on my Mk > 1. The amp meter > quit working about the same time and collective wisdom concluded > that the > amp meter burned up from the higher current. I pulled it > out today and > thought I would take a look inside.....nothing is burned and > there was no > diode or anything else other than an electro magnet about the > shape of a > paper clip. Apparently the magnet is charged by the > direction of current > from either the battery or alternator and swings the needle > depending on > current. It seems that more current from the alternator > would pin the > needle positive but a failed alternator would just give a > typical discharge > of amps from the battery. Both of the eight gage > wire ends sparked to > ground (forgot to disconnect the battery). Do I really > need to have the > meter worked on or is there some other place I need to investigate? > ........think I will repaint the needle while I > wait. Robin Young > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tsmit@shaw.ca > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 19:10:05 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 18:05:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem >>>Try SELLING and learn something.<<< Actually I have sold 60-80 items on Ebay. In every instance I have only charged the - actual shipping cost. I never charged for the box, packaging material, my time, my gas etc.. If there were instances where the estimate was over cost I sent that back to the buyer. I've delivered items locally to buyers and refunded the full shipping cost Ebay forces them to pay with Paypal. Why? I'd prefer to treat people the way I would like to be treated. My post already addressed "reasonable" charges above shipping. In Michael's case he was charged over $14 for a poorly packed item that had a $3 shipping cost. I don't see the justification of the additional $11. Ebay is full of sellers that sell a $30 item for 99 cents and $28.99 shipping. And, shipping is rarely (if ever) refundable. That rips the tax payer off if the seller is claiming 99 cents worth of sale. The seller is ripping the buyer off with no practical recourse for a refund. I agree it does take about an hour to photograph an item, write the description, get it on Ebay, package the item, ship etc.. To me that is just the cost of selling on Ebay. When I go to a CAT swapmeet I never have had a seller say, "well including the storage time in my garage, the gas to get here, my time at this event etc., etc, the item you want is $20 - with an $8 surcharge." Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 19:25:12 2009 From: Howard gentry To: Marc James Small , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 18:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem WOW!!! No one but idiots would send anything by UPS or FedEX??? Do some E-Bay sellers work for the USPS??? zym The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Marc James Small wrote: From: Marc James Small Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem To: "michael king" Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 8:38 PM At 08:33 PM 9/7/2009, michael king wrote: >Marc, > >I'm not claiming that they should declare it as >income.. and hey..i could swallow some costs for >carefully packaging.. but with all due respect >this was not bubble wrapped.. not boxed, cased >in cardboard it was put in a plastic zip bag and >straight into the envelope and into the mail... >maybe you pack carefully.. maybe you do other >things.. but that was not the case with this >experience.. and i did not get what i should >have.. im not complaining about ebay as much as >someone who i feel has misrepresented an item >and then overcharged me... Being in Australia i >think lots of people are happy to send inferior >products as its so much harder for us to chase up due to distance.. > And with all due respect, Michael, I have not dealt with eBay for three or more years. Folks who do get what they deserve, crappy service from uncaring sellers. I have been an eBay seller and an eBay buyer but I opted out years back. I still have an account, and a very early one, but eBay was a lot more fun back then. I will not do business there again. It costs money to stand in line at the Post Office and no one but a complete idiot would ever ship by UPS or FedEx. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! You are subscribed as zymmer4@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 19:27:46 2009 From: Marc James Small To: "Thomas Witt" , Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 21:22:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem At 09:05 PM 9/7/2009, Thomas Witt wrote: >>>>Try SELLING and learn something.<<< > >Actually I have sold 60-80 items on Ebay. In every instance I have only >charged the - actual shipping cost. I never charged for the box, packaging >material, my time, my gas etc.. If there were instances where the estimate >was over cost I sent that back to the buyer. I've delivered items locally >to buyers and refunded the full shipping cost Ebay forces them to pay with >Paypal. Why? I'd prefer to treat people the way I would like to be treated. > >My post already addressed "reasonable" charges above shipping. In Michael's >case he was charged over $14 for a poorly packed item that had a $3 shipping >cost. I don't see the justification of the additional $11. > >Ebay is full of sellers that sell a $30 item for 99 cents and $28.99 >shipping. And, shipping is rarely (if ever) refundable. That rips the tax >payer off if the seller is claiming 99 cents worth of sale. The seller is >ripping the buyer off with no practical recourse for a refund. Plumbers in this area charge $40 an hour. If I have to stand in line for half an hour at the Post Office, why not charge $20 for the privilege? You, sir, are being grossly unreasonable. I will cheerfully pay for proper service. I am not some sort of cheapskate gipster who wants to cheat the seller, as you seem to be. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 19:40:17 2009 From: Marc James Small To: Howard gentry ,tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 21:37:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem At 09:24 PM 9/7/2009, Howard gentry wrote: >WOW!!! > No one but idiots would send anything by > UPS or FedEX??? Do some E-Bay sellers work for the USPS??? Absolutely not. I do not work for the USPS or for FedEx or UPS. But UPS and FedEx cheat outrageously on their international shipments and no one with an iq greater than a dork would ship by them. They are dishonest and openly dishonest, after the loss occurs, when they refund the shipping charge and say, "Sorry, Charlie". Ship by post and you are protected. You have never had an $8,000 lens tossed into wet shrubbery by a UPS delivery dude. That happened to me. I can tell you other horror stories. UPS is crap and FedEx is crap. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 19:55:19 2009 From: "Buck Trippel" To: "Howard gentry" , "Marc James Small" Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 18:45:47 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem I guess I must be one of those idiots. I've sent a pair of new Tiger rotors to Doug Jennings & it cost over $35 for the shipping. (CA -->OH) Now with those silly Priority Mail boxes they can go anywhere in the country for $10. sincerely Buck Trippel your frugal idiot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard gentry" To: "Marc James Small" ; Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem > WOW!!! > No one but idiots would send anything by UPS or FedEX??? Do some > E-Bay > sellers work for the USPS??? > zym > > The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 19:55:53 2009 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: Tod Brown Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 01:51:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] isRe: Dashboard Questions Hi Tod, Looks like all the bitchin bout ebay wiped you out... pity! On my MkIs, the wire loom hanger is attached to the lower Tach mounting stud (making it a pain to remove/replace the tach)., right where the loom makes a right angle bend toward the firewall. The other bracket.. I've never seen that. Only thing I can think of is maybe it's for the turn signal flasher? My flasher is plugged into a socket that is screwed into the back of the dash but I have MkI's... Gary B9470622 B9470585 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 17:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Dashboard Questions Hello All: I am in the process of replacing the dashboard on my Tiger and have come across a couple of things that are a bit puzzling. Behind the dash, as you know, is a large bundle of wires that run from one side of the car to the other, all wrapped together with vinyl tape. I noticed when I removed my dash that there is a clamp around the bundle of wires just to the left of the steering column. It obviously should be attached to something by way of a through bolt to help support the bundle of wires, but I cannot figure out where it should be attached. There doesn't seem to be any obvious attachment point within easy reach of the clamp. I can slide the clamp along the bundle so it is not clear if it is in its original position. Not too long ago I had the steering column removed and rebuilt, so I suspect that the clamp was undone at that time and not put back. Anybody have any thoughts on this? The second mystery has to do with a small bracket that I discovered when I removed my original 43-year-old dash for the first time. Mounted on the back of the dash at about 1 o'clock above the ammeter, when viewed from the back side, is a bracket which is screwed to the dash. There is a tab which is flush with the dash through which a wood screw passes and attaches it to the dash. At right angles to the tab is a circular ring with an o.d. of 15/16 in. and an i.d. of 5/8 in. On close examination, I find no marks on the bracket that indicate that it ever held anything. What the heck is this and what is it doing there? Thanks in advance for your help. Tod B382002384LRXFE Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 19:57:37 2009 From: Stephen Waybright To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 18:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem Marc, You clearly have some strong feeling on this topic. I however am 100% aligned with Tom on this one. On eBay, I charge only actual shipping costs when I sell. My wife sells a lot of little inexpensive items, so she just charges a small flat rate to cover average shipping and packaging costs for simplicity's sake. It might be different if I was running a real online business, but on ebay I'm selling old stuff that would never find a local buyer (like with Craigslist), so I consider the effort a cost of doing eBay business, and it's done out of a desire to help out fellow car enthusiasts, since most my items have been old car stuff. BTW... FedEx ground is the best for shipping larger, heavy stuff that gets REAL expensive via USPS and even UPS. Stephen --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Marc James Small wrote: > From: Marc James Small > Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem > To: "Thomas Witt" , tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 9:22 PM > At 09:05 PM 9/7/2009, Thomas Witt > wrote: > >>>>Try SELLING and learn > something.<<< > > > >Actually I have sold 60-80 items on Ebay. In every > instance I have only > >charged the - actual shipping cost. I never > charged for the box, packaging > >material, my time, my gas etc.. If there were > instances where the estimate > >was over cost I sent that back to the buyer. I've > delivered items locally > >to buyers and refunded the full shipping cost Ebay > forces them to pay with > >Paypal. Why? I'd prefer to treat people the way I > would like to be > treated. > > > >My post already addressed "reasonable" charges above > shipping. In Michael's > >case he was charged over $14 for a poorly packed item > that had a $3 > shipping > >cost. I don't see the justification of the > additional $11. > > > >Ebay is full of sellers that sell a $30 item for 99 > cents and $28.99 > >shipping. And, shipping is rarely (if ever) > refundable. That rips the tax > >payer off if the seller is claiming 99 cents worth of > sale. The seller is > >ripping the buyer off with no practical recourse for a > refund. > > Plumbers in this area charge $40 an hour. If I > have to stand in line for half an hour at the > Post Office, why not charge $20 for the privilege? > > You, sir, are being grossly unreasonable. I will > cheerfully pay for proper service. I am not some > sort of cheapskate gipster who wants to cheat the seller, > as you seem to be. > > Marc _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 20:10:05 2009 From: Marc James Small To: Stephen Waybright ,tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 22:08:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem At 09:57 PM 9/7/2009, Stephen Waybright wrote: > >BTW... FedEx ground is the best >for shipping larger, heavy stuff that gets REAL expensive via USPS and even >UPS. Yeah, right. Wait 'til you have an insurance claim. The USPS pays slowly and grudgingly but they do pay. I have yet to hear of a single occasion when UPS or FedEx has ever paid a claim other than refunding the shipping fee. You charge as you wish. My buyers know that my shipping fees include the time it takes me to box it up and the time to drive to the PO. No one has yet bitched about it. eBay now restricts sellers to the actual shipping costs, yet another reason why I no longer play with eBay. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 20:25:00 2009 From: michael king To: Marc James Small Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 12:16:11 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem Guys, Seems we have hit a nereve.. my original post really was about the fact i got sub standard parts and was then hit with extra postage (insult to injury) and despite me contacting the seller i have not been getting a reposnse. if people charge more for poatge than actual costs (as in buying a box, sending etc.. ) fine.. but say so in the auction.. not just bill it later. Hopefully we can move past the ebay/postage debate.. back to.. why do people misrepresent patrs.. and then not answer contact... im trying to give the guy a shot at fixing/explaining.. i dont want to have to leave nasty comments on ebay -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 20:25:22 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: Tigers Den Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 21:22:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] [seriously non Tigers] ebay problem Tom and Stephen have the right idea. I make a decent side job out of selling on eBay. i have a store on there with almost perfect feedback, and I've been doing it for about 7 years. I don't have any problems with ups or fedex. They seem to work fine for me and the hundreds of customers I've worked with, as well as usps, dhl and many others. I also ship and package fairly, and I have never had a complaint about it. Not everyone on eBay is a thief and a liar, anymore than at your local swap meet. I would like to make a suggestion to the list. I think it's in the best interest of the comraderie and fellowship that makes sunbeam owners such a great group, to avoid so much labeling, name calling and generalizing... Idiots, douchbags...whatever. I understand having our own opinions, just like I have here, ( God bless america for that) but some of this is insulting, and making me not want to participate anymore. I joined this list so I could learn about tigers and make some friends. While I have made many good friends, I'm not learning anything about tigers right now. Just a thought. Guess I'm missing the way this used to be. Sent from my mobile... > Marc, You clearly have some strong feeling on this topic. I however > am 100% > aligned with Tom on this one. On eBay, I charge only actual shipping > costs > when I sell. My wife sells a lot of little inexpensive items, so she > just > charges a small flat rate to cover.... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 20:39:39 2009 From: Marc James Small To: michael king Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 22:29:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem At 10:16 PM 9/7/2009, michael king wrote: >if people charge more for poatge than actual >costs (as in buying a box, sending etc.. ) >fine.. but say so in the auction.. not just bill it later. eBay insists that buyers charge only actual postage. Drove my wife nuts. We both quit dealing with eBay four or five years back as a result. No one but a moron would deal with eBay today, as it has, from all reports, gotten vastly worse. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 20:42:48 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:42:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] [seriously non Tigers] ebay problem Thank you Cullen, I had one more reply to the "names" ready to go out. But, you are right. I will end it here. I think that which is evident stands. Marc, sell as you choose. In the end it all comes down to what the buyer is willing to pay. Michael, in the end you will just have to decide what you will do regarding your situation. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 22:11:11 2009 From: "Mountjoy" To: "Harry B. Elam" , , Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 21:04:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger wiper motor Thanks, Harry ! d. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry B. Elam" To: ; ; Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 4:35 PM Subject: Tiger wiper motor > I can confirm from looking under the dash of B302000471 that the > motor is clearly marked Lucas. My Rootes parts manual indicates the > motor is VIN specific.Early tigers and Alpine 260's used Type DR3A, > Sunbeam part number 75462. Later Alpine 260's and Tigers used Type 6WA, > Sunbeam part number 75552. Please publish to the list whatever you find. > Harry Elam > B382000471 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 22:40:51 2009 From: "Mountjoy" To: Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 21:40:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 351 Mr. Small, Regardless of your personal work ethics I resent you grouping me and those on this list into your neat, tidy "wonk know-it-alls." category. I certainly don't need to purchase anything you are selling. Your comment is as bad as if "we buyers" grouped all "you sellers" into one group of bottom feeder overchargers. Michael's comments and the list's responses were fair and honest. Darrell Mountjoy ----- Original Message ----- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 20:21:58 -0400 From: Marc James Small Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem To: "Thomas Witt" , Message-ID: <20090908002714.0B7AD187663@autox.team.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed At 08:02 PM 9/7/2009, Thomas Witt wrote: >Makes you wonder if they claim the postage overcharges as income? There are no "postage overcharges". When I sell something, it takes me time to box it and ship it and the postage is generally a small part of that. A minor package might take an hour to pack up properly, and then there is the time at the post office. You buyers are a bunch of wonk know-it-alls. Try SELLING and learn something. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 22:42:27 2009 From: Gary To: Tigers Den , Cullen McCann Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 21:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] [seriously non Tigers] ebay problem Ditto. Thank you for your comments. --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Cullen McCann wrote: From: Cullen McCann Subject: Re: [Tigers] [seriously non Tigers] ebay problem To: "Tigers Den" Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:22 PM Tom and Stephen have the right idea. I make a decent side job out of selling on eBay. i have a store on there with almost perfect feedback, and I've been doing it for about 7 years. I don't have any problems with ups or fedex. They seem to work fine for me and the hundreds of customers I've worked with, as well as usps, dhl and many others. I also ship and package fairly, and I have never had a complaint about it. Not everyone on eBay is a thief and a liar, anymore than at your local swap meet. I would like to make a suggestion to the list. I think it's in the best interest of the comraderie and fellowship that makes sunbeam owners such a great group, to avoid so much labeling, name calling and generalizing... Idiots, douchbags...whatever. I understand having our own opinions, just like I have here, ( God bless america for that) but some of this is insulting, and making me not want to participate anymore. I joined this list so I could learn about tigers and make some friends. While I have made many good friends, I'm not learning anything about tigers right now. Just a thought. Guess I'm missing the way this used to be. Sent from my mobile... > Marc, You clearly have some strong feeling on this topic. I however > am 100% > aligned with Tom on this one. On eBay, I charge only actual shipping > costs > when I sell. My wife sells a lot of little inexpensive items, so she > just > charges a small flat rate to cover.... You are subscribed as maliburevue@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 22:55:11 2009 From: Marc James Small To: "Mountjoy" , Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 00:50:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 351 At 12:40 AM 9/8/2009, Mountjoy wrote: >Mr. Small, > >Regardless of your personal work ethics I resent you grouping me and those >on this list into your neat, tidy "wonk know-it-alls." category. I >certainly don't need to purchase anything you are selling. Your comment is >as bad as if "we buyers" grouped all "you sellers" into one group of bottom >feeder overchargers. Thank you for your most interesting comments. Your resentment puzzles me, as honesty strikes me as the best policy, but, then, what do I know? Be well, and have a grand life. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 02:12:32 2009 From: Jeff Howarth To: michael king Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:12:03 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem Hi Michael, On the description, the seller should be honest and reasonable about their description and include photos of the items for sale, I would not generally buy anything without a photo. If its someone who knows the cars and lists things regularly then their description should be accurate as they should know the difference between an original and a copy part. If its someone who is selling things they have just come across and they don't really know what it is then you need to be more cautious. See what else they have sold and what their feedback is as a starter. If the item is clearly not as described when you receive it, generally I would contact the seller in the first instance as you have done. Tell them they have a couple of days to respond. If that does not get a response, see if they are still active on eBay selling other things. (Some people may list an item, sell it then not look at eBay again for a while.) If they are active and still don't respond, you can open a dispute through eBay and get resolution that way. On packing and postal charges, they should be reasonable. when listing things on eBay you need to have an idea on what it will cost to ship the item you are listing and the regions you are prepared to send it to. This can be done easily with a set of scales and the post office web site. It is not unreasonable to cover the cost of say padded envelopes and tape if you buy them to protect the items. second hand cardboard is generally free! The time it takes to list and pack and then take to the post office is IMHO part of the process and should not be charged. I guess if you consider Sunbeam listing on eBay as a business rather than fun, you may consider you need to cover your time and travel. EBay can be a good source of parts that are not available from Rick and the other excellent specialists as can the listings on the club site forums. As a buyer: 1. check the description and the photos to see if you are comfortable with the item 2. Check the seller and see if they know Sunbeams and have good feedback from other Sunbeam owners 3. ask any questions you need for clarification, no reply is not a good sign 4. bid what you want when you want 5. pay for it, receive it and check it. 6. if you are happy polish it and fit it and them leave feedback 7. if you are unhappy contact the seller etc. as above. As a seller 1. Describe your item fairly especially if its a used item 2. Workout the cost and method of shipping prior to listing it - you can't predict that Fred from Timbuktu wants it Fedexed overnight of course. 3. Respond timely and accurately to questions 4. Keep the buyer up to date with shipping progress and let them know when to expect it. 5. Leave the buyer appropriate feedback I list some Sunbeam stuff on eBay (KBD23C) and send it all over the world - anything from a door buffer to a LAT bonnet, and have never had an issue as the descriptions are fair and the shipping reasonable. Basically by just following the guidelines above. I hope that helps Jeff In message , michael king writes >Guys, > >Seems we have hit a nereve.. my original post really was about the fact i >got sub standard parts and was then hit with extra postage (insult to >injury) and despite me contacting the seller i have not been getting a >reposnse. > >if people charge more for poatge than actual costs (as in buying a box, >sending etc.. ) fine.. but say so in the auction.. not just bill it later. > >Hopefully we can move past the ebay/postage debate.. back to.. why do people >misrepresent patrs.. and then not answer contact... im trying to give the >guy a shot at fixing/explaining.. i dont want to have to leave nasty >comments on ebay > -- Jeff Howarth _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 06:44:09 2009 From: "awtiger" To: "Mountjoy" , , "Marc James Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 07:43:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 351 Marc: While I support your right to express your opinion, I DO NOT support the tone of your comments. When you make comments to a group of people, lumping them together as "morons" and "idiots," you open yourself up for rebuttal. In my estimation, Darrell is correct; I, too, resent being lumped into your "moron" and "idiot" category. Might I be so bold as to suggest that you be very careful who you refer to like that. All you are succeeding in doing is alienating yourself from the Sunbeam crowd and ruining whatever chance you have of selling anything to do with a Sunbeam to any of us. As you mentioned in your last post, "honesty strikes me as the best policy," and indeed it is. Surely, however, you can can conduct yourself in a mature manner and be able to state your honest opinions without resorting to name-calling. Andy Walker Edmond, OK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc James Small" To: "Mountjoy" ; Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 351 > At 12:40 AM 9/8/2009, Mountjoy wrote: > >Mr. Small, > > > >Regardless of your personal work ethics I resent you grouping me and > >those > >on this list into your neat, tidy "wonk know-it-alls." category. I > >certainly don't need to purchase anything you are selling. Your comment > >is > >as bad as if "we buyers" grouped all "you sellers" into one group of > >bottom > >feeder overchargers. > > Thank you for your most interesting > comments. Your resentment puzzles me, as > honesty strikes me as the best policy, but, then, > what do I know? Be well, and have a grand life. > > Marc > > > msmall@aya.yale.edu > Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as awtiger@cox.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 06:55:30 2009 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: marcsmall@comcast.net, atwittsend@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 08:48:40 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem Marc- If you have to stand in line at the USPS for half an hour and want to charge $20 for that privilege then charge the USPS for not having enough workers to handle the crowd. Fred _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 06:55:39 2009 From: JHef101 To: "Cullen McCann" , "Tigers Den" Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 08:52:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] [seriously non Tigers] ebay problem What Cullen said! Chest puffing, martial arts, name calling over shipping choices. Childish and not supportive of our hobby and passion for Tigers. Jeff Hefner B9470028 In a message dated 09/07/09 22:25:40 Eastern Daylight Time, cmccann@lwpb.com writes: Tom and Stephen have the right idea. I make a decent side job out of selling on eBay. i have a store on there with almost perfect feedback, and I've been doing it for about 7 years. I don't have any problems with ups or fedex. They seem to work fine for me and the hundreds of customers I've worked with, as well as usps, dhl and many others. I also ship and package fairly, and I have never had a complaint about it. Not everyone on eBay is a thief and a liar, anymore than at your local swap meet. I would like to make a suggestion to the list. I think it's in the best interest of the comraderie and fellowship that makes sunbeam owners such a great group, to avoid so much labeling, name calling and generalizing... Idiots, douchbags...whatever. I understand having our own opinions, just like I have here, ( God bless america for that) but some of this is insulting, and making me not want to participate anymore. I joined this list so I could learn about tigers and make some friends. While I have made many good friends, I'm not learning anything about tigers right now. Just a thought. Guess I'm missing the way this used to be. Sent from my mobile... > Marc, You clearly have some strong feeling on this topic. I however > am 100% > aligned with Tom on this one. On eBay, I charge only actual shipping > costs > when I sell. My wife sells a lot of little inexpensive items, so she > just > charges a small flat rate to cover.... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as jhef101@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 06:56:38 2009 From: JHef101 To: "Marc James Small" , "michael king" Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 08:56:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem And calling those who make different decisions than you "Moron's" is helping this list how? Jeff Hefner B9470028 In a message dated 09/07/09 22:39:45 Eastern Daylight Time, marcsmall@comcast.net writes: At 10:16 PM 9/7/2009, michael king wrote: >if people charge more for poatge than actual >costs (as in buying a box, sending etc.. ) >fine.. but say so in the auction.. not just bill it later. eBay insists that buyers charge only actual postage. Drove my wife nuts. We both quit dealing with eBay four or five years back as a result. No one but a moron would deal with eBay today, as it has, from all reports, gotten vastly worse. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as jhef101@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 07:10:34 2009 From: Stephen Waybright To: Mountjoy , tigers@autox.team.net, Marc James Small Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 06:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] bad manners and kung fu Tiger drivers Careful Andy, I tried give Mr Small the same very thoughtful and constructive feedback in an off line note, and in return was personally attacked as being thin skinned, a Moron, not having half a brain, an extreme left wing follower of being politically correct, and worst of all, "being from California". ;) Those of you who know me, know better, I'm from New York after all. I'm afraid it would require some of our big burly martial arts Tiger guys to convince Mr Small to play nice on the Tiger list, or perhaps the moderator can intervene. --- On Tue, 9/8/09, awtiger wrote: > From: awtiger > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 351 > To: "Mountjoy" , tigers@autox.team.net, "Marc James Small" > Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 8:43 AM > Marc: > > While I support your right to express your opinion, I DO > NOT support the tone of your comments. When you make > comments to a group of people, lumping them together as > "morons" and "idiots," you open yourself up for rebuttal. In > my estimation, Darrell is correct; I, too, resent being > lumped into your "moron" and "idiot" category. Might I > be so bold as to suggest that you be very careful who you > refer to like that. All you are succeeding in doing is > alienating yourself from the Sunbeam crowd and ruining > whatever chance you have of selling anything to do with a > Sunbeam to any of us. > > As you mentioned in your last post, "honesty strikes me as > the best policy," and indeed it is. Surely, however, > you can can conduct yourself in a mature manner and be able > to state your honest opinions without resorting to > name-calling. > > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc James Small" > > To: "Mountjoy" ; > > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 11:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 351 > > > > At 12:40 AM 9/8/2009, Mountjoy wrote: > > >Mr. Small, > > > > > >Regardless of your personal work ethics I resent > you grouping me and >those > > >on this list into your neat, tidy "wonk > know-it-alls." category. I > > >certainly don't need to purchase anything you are > selling. Your comment >is > > >as bad as if "we buyers" grouped all "you sellers" > into one group of >bottom > > >feeder overchargers. > > > > Thank you for your most interesting > > comments. Your resentment puzzles me, > as > > honesty strikes me as the best policy, but, then, > > what do I know? Be well, and have a > grand life. > > > > Marc > > > > > > msmall@aya.yale.edu > > Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as awtiger@cox.net > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as gswaybright@yahoo.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 07:58:28 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Marc James Small" , "Stephen Waybright" Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 07:58:19 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem Hi Marc, Happy to prove you wrong here. I once shipped a spectrum analyzer from Calgary to Ft Worth via FedEx. It got to DFW and then disappeared. It was insured for the eBay auction value, about $2000. After going through the appropriate process and having FedEx do whatever was required, they coughed up the money, direct to the buyer. It was still a shame about the thing getting stolen, but everyone came out even, money wise. For me, eBay is not really about the money... It's about having the entire world as a sales and shopping venue, and being able to get the obscure stuff. I recycle shipping containers whenever possible and the walk to the post office is good for my fat ass. Theo. > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Marc James Small > Sent: September 7, 2009 8:08 PM > To: Stephen Waybright; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem > > Yeah, right. Wait 'til you have an insurance claim. The > USPS pays slowly and grudgingly but they do pay. I have yet > to hear of a single occasion when UPS or FedEx has ever paid > a claim other than refunding the shipping fee. You charge as > you wish. My buyers know that my shipping fees include the > time it takes me to box it up and the time to drive to the > PO. No one has yet bitched about it. > > eBay now restricts sellers to the actual shipping costs, yet > another reason why I no longer play with eBay. > > Marc > > > msmall@aya.yale.edu > Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as theo.smit@dynastream.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 08:26:09 2009 From: Terry Packer To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 07:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Shipping Info - Possibly Tiger Related Pardon me if this is a repeat as I have not been following the current EBay/shipping thread. But I thought I'd mention that if you want to ship something oversize, heavy or irregular, it can cost a fortune via Brown, Fed Ex or USPS. For these items, Greyhound can be a fantastic option. The drawbacks are that they deliver to their station rather than your door and they can take a little longer to make the trip. But I've used them several times, like shipping a fully assembled rocking chair from Virginia to California, and they've done a great job at a huge savings. FWIW Terry Packer 9470018 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 08:29:25 2009 From: Rob Bernardino To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:28:16 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Lotus Designs Extended Range Electric Crate Engine - Lotus Intriguing concept - imaging a hybrid crate engine from lotus in your alpine or tiger. If it could get the advantages of electrics - hi torque and then hi efficiency from the hybrid design that could be fun. Rob http://jalopnik.com/5354525/lotus-designs-extended-range-electric-crate-engine Rob in CT 1966 Mk1A Tiger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 09:29:28 2009 From: Jeff Howarth To: Rob Bernardino Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 16:14:17 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lotus Designs Extended Range Electric Crate Engine - hmm, the LOTUS factory used to use a certain LUCAS factory for All of its high quality electrical stuff! Seriously though, Lotus are already involved in building a nice electric Lotus, its called a TESLA roadster - top Gear did a test on it and it was quick until it went flat ! Jeff In message <6BF80257-8AF4-4923-80E8-7B939ADC60E0@mac.com>, Rob Bernardino writes >Intriguing concept - imaging a hybrid crate engine from lotus in your >alpine or tiger. >If it could get the advantages of electrics - hi torque and then hi >efficiency from the hybrid design that could be fun. >Rob > >http://jalopnik.com/5354525/lotus-designs-extended-range-electric-crate-engine > > > >Rob in CT >1966 Mk1A Tiger >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as jeff@v8tiger.demon.co.uk > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > -- Jeff Howarth _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 09:57:21 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 08:55:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lotus Designs Extended Range Electric Crate Engine - Until a cost effective, light weight battery is created, this type of hybrid sure seems the way to go. The infastructure (gas stations) are there for the power source. I have the powertrain from a Jet Electrica 007 http://www.davisengineering.net/Jet.html .It got it when gas was $4.59 here in So. Cal.. The project killer is the $2,000 + for lead acid batteries with a life expectancy of 2 years. I got the motor, controller, battery box, in car charger and accessories for $105 from Pick A Part. The body shell to put it all in (Earlier Omni/Horizon or VW Rabbit - both used the same trans) maybe $500-$1,000. But at this point $3.00 gas in my Mazda 323 is still the better deal - at least for the time being. Not quite the Lotus design here, but I had thought about a trailer hitch mounted gas engine with an alternator array for extended range. "Living on the cutting edge of obsolescence," Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 09:57:32 2009 From: TIGEROOTES@aol.com To: marcsmall@comcast.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 11:56:30 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem marcsmall@comcast.net writes: > You have never had an $8,000 lens tossed into wet > shrubbery by a UPS delivery dude. That happened > to me. I can tell you other horror stories. UPS is crap and FedEx is > crap. > > Marc > I have to side with Marc, It often takes me a hour or more to properly package a rebuilt Tiger steering column for shipment. Sometimes I have to replace the carton it arrived in, I wrap it in waxed-paper, then in newspaper, then protect the splined ends with rubber hose or tennis balls, then I take the package to USPS and stand in line ... all at no additional charge to my customers. By the way, somewhere up in the sky is a Tiger steering column rolling around the belly of a UPS cargo plane. They delivered an empty carton here a few years ago and never recovered the column. It was packaged by MailBoxes Etc. and UPS would not cover the loss, passing the buck to the packager and the packager blamed UPS ... except ... it turned out UPS owns MailBox! My customer had to suggest legal action before UPS paid for a replacement steering column. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 10:26:24 2009 From: Jeff Howarth To: Thomas Witt Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 17:13:27 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lotus Designs Extended Range Electric Crate Engine - Tom, you reminded me, I saw a clip of a programme, I think on the BBC a few years ago which covered electric cars in CA> Guess what 2 of the cars were they had converted- ALPINES !! Does anyone know of the cars or has seen the film ? I will see if its on utube or somewhere similar. regards Jeff In message <9433D64AC237453094AEBCB76CF2CAAF@student2>, Thomas Witt writes >Until a cost effective, light weight battery is created, this type of >hybrid sure seems the way to go. The infastructure (gas stations) are >there for the power source. > >I have the powertrain from a Jet Electrica 007 >http://www.davisengineering.net/Jet.html .It got it when gas was $4.59 >here in So. Cal.. The project killer is the $2,000 + for lead acid >batteries with a life expectancy of 2 years. I got the motor, >controller, battery box, in car charger and accessories for $105 from >Pick A Part. The body shell to put it all in (Earlier Omni/Horizon or >VW Rabbit - both used the same trans) maybe $500-$1,000. But at this >point $3.00 gas in my Mazda 323 is still the better deal - at least for >the time being. > >Not quite the Lotus design here, but I had thought about a trailer >hitch mounted gas engine with an alternator array for extended range. > >"Living on the cutting edge of obsolescence," Tom >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as jeff@v8tiger.demon.co.uk > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > -- Jeff Howarth _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 10:42:27 2009 From: "John Dillman" To: Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 11:38:20 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] In an effort to get away from ebay/ups/usps, etc . . Most things in life are complicated . . . I hate the USPS and their attitude, but, as someone mentioned, those flat rate boxes are AWESOME . . . Anyway, assuming the house gets in a state to move shortly, I'd like to get in a few hours on the Tiger . . . I'd like to do the Dale's steering rack conversion . . . I understand an "early" midget rack is needed . . . what translates to "early"? Any thoughts on the best/cheapest (not always the same thing . . .) place to get the rack? Any other pointers on the conversion? I have sent the write up on Tigers United (awesome site, I know you all know that, but it bears repeating . . . just awesome) but didn't know if there was more to know. Many thanks, John Dillman V-12 Lincolns, Tigers and Corvettes, oh my . . . _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 12:32:37 2009 From: "Scattt" To: "Gary" , "Kirk Smith" Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:20:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay You ought to see us get in my wifes Imp if you think that's impressive! We saw one in Park City in 04 and my wife really liked it so we sought one out. John Webber has a article about her car in the November "Classic Motorsports" which is out now if any of you are interested. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary To: Kirk Smith ; tigers@autox.team.net ; Scattt Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay I am one of those people. I can vouch for this at SUNI in Park City. Good thing it's a MK II with a 289 and not a poor MK I with an anemic 260. A very nice MK II, I might add. Gary --- On Wed, 9/2/09, Scattt wrote: From: Scattt Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay To: "Kirk Smith" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 4:20 PM I an 6'5" and about 290. My son is 6'7" and at 400+ is my co-pilot. He can't get his size 20 shoes around the pedals. We have actually had people wait around car shows to see us both get into the Tiger. I refer to it as a "well fed cat". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay > Which just begs the question- who's the biggest person to ever stuff > themselves into a Tiger? I think Rick Mueller might be one of the taller > ones... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 12:44:54 2009 From: Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 14:35:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Forest Green I'm wondering if there is a MODERN color codes list anywhere for the rootes colors - specifically Forest Green - 86. The PPG shop I was in had no luck finding a modern code me. thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 13:11:59 2009 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: michael.s.king@gmail.com, marcsmall@comcast.net Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 15:01:29 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem You don't have to be nasty. Just tell the truth. "Items not as described Shipping overpriced". The seller can have you retract the negative once you are satisfied . B382002560 In a message dated 9/7/2009 7:25:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, michael.s.king@gmail.com writes: Guys, Seems we have hit a nereve.. my original post really was about the fact i got sub standard parts and was then hit with extra postage (insult to injury) and despite me contacting the seller i have not been getting a reposnse. if people charge more for poatge than actual costs (as in buying a box, sending etc.. ) fine.. but say so in the auction.. not just bill it later. Hopefully we can move past the ebay/postage debate.. back to.. why do people misrepresent patrs.. and then not answer contact... im trying to give the guy a shot at fixing/explaining.. i dont want to have to leave nasty comments on ebay -- Regards Michael King You are subscribed as aaaglasss@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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You, of course, will have to decide if it's worth it to proceed. After it's all said, and done, negative feedback would be warranted. Steven Long time lurker.-) 1966 Tiger TAC #260 > From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 15:01:29 -0400 > To: michael.s.king@gmail.com; marcsmall@comcast.net > CC: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay problem > > You don't have to be nasty. Just tell the truth. "Items not as described > Shipping overpriced". The seller can have you retract the negative once you > are satisfied > . > B382002560 > > > > > In a message dated 9/7/2009 7:25:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > michael.s.king@gmail.com writes: > > Guys, > > Seems we have hit a nereve.. my original post really was about the fact i > got sub standard parts and was then hit with extra postage (insult to > injury) and despite me contacting the seller i have not been getting a > reposnse. > > if people charge more for poatge than actual costs (as in buying a box, > sending etc.. ) fine.. but say so in the auction.. not just bill it later. > > Hopefully we can move past the ebay/postage debate.. back to.. why do > people > misrepresent patrs.. and then not answer contact... im trying to give the > guy a shot at fixing/explaining.. i dont want to have to leave nasty > comments on ebay > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > You are subscribed as aaaglasss@aol.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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Do some E-Bay sellers work for the USPS??? Absolutely not. I do not work for the USPS or for FedEx or UPS. But UPS and FedEx cheat outrageously on their international shipments and no one with an iq greater than a dork would ship by them. They are dishonest and openly dishonest, after the loss occurs, when they refund the shipping charge and say, "Sorry, Charlie". Ship by post and you are protected. You have never had an $8,000 lens tossed into wet shrubbery by a UPS delivery dude. That happened to me. I can tell you other horror stories. UPS is crap and FedEx is crap. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 14:13:19 2009 From: "Kirk Smith" To: Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 12:59:13 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay Just for fun, you guys drive the Imp over to Marc Small's place and tell him you have a Fedex delivery for him. After he calls you 'morons', you climb out of the Imp... Sorry, couldn't resist;) Kirk. ----- Original Message ----- From: Scattt To: Gary ; Kirk Smith ; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay You ought to see us get in my wifes Imp if you think that's impressive! We saw one in Park City in 04 and my wife really liked it so we sought one out. John Webber has a article about her car in the November "Classic Motorsports" which is out now if any of you are interested. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary To: Kirk Smith ; tigers@autox.team.net ; Scattt Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay I am one of those people. I can vouch for this at SUNI in Park City. Good thing it's a MK II with a 289 and not a poor MK I with an anemic 260. A very nice MK II, I might add. Gary --- On Wed, 9/2/09, Scattt wrote: From: Scattt Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay To: "Kirk Smith" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 4:20 PM I an 6'5" and about 290. My son is 6'7" and at 400+ is my co-pilot. He can't get his size 20 shoes around the pedals. We have actually had people wait around car shows to see us both get into the Tiger. I refer to it as a "well fed cat". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on ebay > Which just begs the question- who's the biggest person to ever stuff > themselves into a Tiger? I think Rick Mueller might be one of the taller > ones... > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.13.83/2352 - Release Date: 09/07/09 18:03:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 9 05:29:28 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 07:22:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest Green Paul I don't think there is a web site for this. You could ask at Dale's Restoration shop or possibly Doug Jennings. Ditzler # for Forest Green #86 is 43313 Here are some comments I found that indicate you can call Ditzler/ PPG and they will get you a modern equivalent. --------------- The PPG Color Library has catalogues of colors going waaaay back. If you give them the year make and model, they can look up any color and give to a modern paint number to match, as well as the original paint code in PPG paint. PPG Color Library 8:30 am to 5:30 pm (weekdays) (440) 572-6100 Strongsville, OH >From Jalopy Journal We regularly get paint codes or their modern equivalents (called offsets) for cars back into the early 30's thru the Ditzler Color Library. Have your supplier phone them at 800-647-6050. Not sure they will give info to a private citizen or if you have to be a shop but worth a try. For example, in 1931 Chev used a "Cellini Green" on wheels. Same color was used on '68 VW as "Sumatra Green". If you have the color name and/or the application they can likely help you. >From AACA Forums -------------- I have no idea if any of this information is current. The comment are from 2002. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 2:36 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Forest Green I'm wondering if there is a MODERN color codes list anywhere for the rootes colors - specifically Forest Green - 86. The PPG shop I was in had no luck finding a modern code me. thanks, Paul You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.83/2353 - Release Date: 09/08/09 06:48:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 9 12:14:17 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 11:00:00 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest Green Paul, Ron Fraser offers some very good advise. Using hardened modern paint system finish will look significantly better in the 'same-as-original" color, it will earn you points off in a concourse for not be "as original", or actually non-restored. But, then again, not all of us expect to enter a show like that, unless you're at Pebble Beach. An automotive paint supply store has "optical" equipment, if they do not have the original equivalent codes, to scan and mix the original color. This is providing, of course, that you have a flat sample of a new condition original color. They can spray it on a checker-board "test panel" where you can take it home and view it (along with your car) in real light. If your paint supplier is NOT your painter, and you provide the compatible materials, you can get the color coat "thinned" with the clear coat, requiring a few more passes to cover. leaves you with a deeper look. Then again, NOTHING can match the original paint job for smoothness, shine, depth, color fastness, etc, THANKFULLY. (9 -) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com wrote: > I'm wondering if there is a MODERN color codes list anywhere for the > rootes colors - specifically Forest Green - 86. > The PPG shop I was in had no luck finding a modern code me. > > thanks, > > Paul _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 9 12:44:21 2009 From: David Sosna To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 11:39:23 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] (WOB, OT, Non-Sunbeam Topic) British Electrics Hi: Guy on another list was wondering about the K-L company in England and since this is a Sunbeam Tiger list, I thought perhaps someone could offer some insight on whether, as he asked, it's a company or was some guy in a basement..... Thanks in advance for any help. Best Regards David Sosna P.S. Hopefully the links to the pictures still work > http://gtf.org/~lithium/car/DSCN4114-1024.JPG > http://gtf.org/~lithium/car/DSCN4115-1024.JPG > > Yes it's a tachometer, probably made by K-L, whoever that is. I guess > I'm interested in if they were a real company or was made by some guy > in his basement. > > The story behind it might be more interesting than the tach. My > English grandfather worked for Post Office Telephones (what is now > British Telecom -> BT) in the engineering department. So in the > mid-90s I was rummaging through his attic and found this tachometer. > Included with it is the original letter he sent to an instrument > dealer requesting one for free "for the boys." He was responsible for > testing and evaluating measurement equipment, and somehow lots of > these items ended up at his house... So I guess for some reason he > decided he needed a tachometer. Letter is dated 1965. But what is > standard for British automotive technology, it looks like it's from > pre-history. The serial number is written by hand on the back (blocked > by the bracket in the picture). > > He never owned a car, naturally. > > Graham _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 9 12:44:38 2009 From: "John Dillman" To: Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:42:59 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Forest Green That was good advice on having your paint store call PPG. Back when I was painting the '56 Vette, we called PPG and the guy at the paint store was writing down numbers as soon as the words Venetian red and India ivory left his mouth . .. . I think the lady there knew those off the top of her head . . . . Really is impressive when people know their stuff . . . John Dillman _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 9 13:14:11 2009 From: "Harry B. Elam" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:14:39 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] eBay/UPS/FEDEX I rarely ship anything other than in frequent returns. However, my business does require frequent deliveries of repair parts. I have received boxes with severe damage but never broken contents. So, here is my real point. Several of my suppliers use FEDEX for anything fragile but will use UPS for other more rugged shipments. When queried they claim UPS has a higher damage rate. I don't have that data I'm just happy to receive my repair parts. Another point, Dan Williams rebuilt one of my Tiger transmissions. His return packing was/is beyond belief. I keep my spare trans in that packing. Harry Elam B382000471 200k miles & counting _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 9 14:58:45 2009 From: drmoonstone@aol.com To: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com, Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:49:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest Green Steve and others, the computerized color scanning for automotive paints is great, but one color gives it fits...Moonstone. Tried four different supp;iers, all scanned but could not produce an acceptable match. Finally, an older gentleman asked if I'd leave the part for a few days...he was successful matching by eye. My 2 cents experience. Moony From: Steve Laifman To: Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:00 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest Green Paul, Ron Fraser offers some very good advise. Using hardened modern paint system finish will look significantly better in the 'same-as-original" color, it will earn you points off in a concourse for not be "as original", or actually non-restored. But, then again, not all of us expect to enter a show like that, unless you're at Pebble Beach. An automotive paint supply store has "optical" equipment, if they do not have the original equivalent codes, to scan and mix the original color. This is providing, of course, that you have a flat sample of a new condition original color. They can spray it on a checker-board "test panel" where you can take it home and view it (along with your car) in real light. If your paint supplier is NOT your painter, and you provide the compatible materials, you can get the color coat "thinned" with the clear coat, requiring a few more passes to cover. leaves you with a deeper look. Then again, NOTHING can match the original paint job for smoothness, shine, depth, color fastness, etc, THANKFULLY. (9 -) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com wrote: > I'm wondering if there is a MODERN color codes list anywhere for the > rootes colors - specifically Forest Green - 86. > The PPG shop I was in had no luck finding a modern code me. > > thanks, > > Paul You are subscribed as drmoonstone@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 9 19:29:31 2009 From: kevin beck To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 21:21:21 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 289 heads Thinking of putting 289 heads on my 260 partly because of the larger valves, how would this effect my 260 motor? Thanks Kevin _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 9 19:44:53 2009 From: "spook01" To: "Rob Bernardino" , "Jeff Howarth" Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 20:45:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lotus Designs Extended Range Electric Crate Engine - 'it was quick until it went flat !' after two laps.... Best, Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Howarth" To: "Rob Bernardino" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lotus Designs Extended Range Electric Crate Engine - Lotus - Jalopnik > hmm, > > the LOTUS factory used to use a certain LUCAS factory for All of its high > quality electrical stuff! > > Seriously though, Lotus are already involved in building a nice electric > Lotus, its called a TESLA roadster - top Gear did a test on it and it was > quick until it went flat ! > > > > Jeff > > > In message <6BF80257-8AF4-4923-80E8-7B939ADC60E0@mac.com>, Rob Bernardino > writes >>Intriguing concept - imaging a hybrid crate engine from lotus in your >>alpine or tiger. >>If it could get the advantages of electrics - hi torque and then hi >>efficiency from the hybrid design that could be fun. >>Rob >> >>http://jalopnik.com/5354525/lotus-designs-extended-range-electric-crate-engine >> >> >> >>Rob in CT >>1966 Mk1A Tiger >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>You are subscribed as jeff@v8tiger.demon.co.uk >> >>Tigers@autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >>http://www.team.net/archive >> > > -- > Jeff Howarth > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as spook01@comcast.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 9 20:31:49 2009 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: "'kevin beck'" , Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 21:31:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 289 heads Kevin, According to George Reid's "High Performance Engine Parts Exchange" there are number of different head specs for 289's, some with the same size valves as the 260. Some also had larger combustion chambers than the 260, which could lower your compression ratio. You would have to know exactly which 289 heads you were going to use to get an idea of the effect on your 260. I expect that other, more knowledgeable, list members can give you some suggestions of which 289 heads would be best. On the other hand, given the improvements in SBF heads over the years and the cheapness of late 302/5.0L iron heads now, you may want to consider later "E7TE-PA" Mustang GT heads, the SVO GT40 heads or the GT40P Explorer heads. The prices, especially for the E7 heads, are really low and the availability is high. I'll even give you a pair of E7's if you'll pick them up near New Orleans and buy me a beer. Of course, the reason that iron heads are so cheap is that aluminum heads are so plentiful and make so much easy power. That is what I would be using if not for the cost difference. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of kevin beck > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 8:21 PM > To: Tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] 289 heads > > Thinking of putting 289 heads on my 260 partly because of the > larger valves, how would this effect my 260 motor? Thanks > Kevin _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as v8tracker@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 9 23:15:35 2009 From: Marc James Small To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:10:20 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Shipping and Shipping Methods First, I was stunned to learn that on this List stating that folks doing stupid things are morons pierces thin skins. For my use of the term, I apologize, but I still feel that folks who ship other than by mail are asking for trouble. Theo mentioned a happy experience with UPS or FedEx on the loss of a shipment from Canada to the US. Bear in mind the approach they take to "unique items" and, I suspect, Theo's shipment was not a "unique item". A "unique item" to UPS and FedEx is any item bearing a serial number which is no longer in production and which is being shipped internationally. Thus, say, a 1966 Alpine V engine block would be a "unique item". These guys will take your insurance money but, if you suffer a loss, will say, "oh! we should have told you! We cannot insure unique items" and refund the $3.00 you paid for the insurance, with a really nice letter of "how sorry we are". I do not believe that either FedEx or UPS are now ensuring unique items in international shipments -- I am plugged into old camera circuits, and the word there is to always avoid these services for their inherent unreliability. I would be curious to know whether either UPS or FedEx have changed this policy. I do not believe so: shippers of jewelry and watches and cameras and the like all avoid them as they avoid the plague for good and solid reasons. Another lister mentioned a problem with a camera and lens which arrived destroyed in the mail and the USPS refused to honor his claim as the damage had removed the insurance certificate. Huh? I insist that a shipper send me a scan of the USPS shipping label including the insurance information. The claim has to be put in at the receiving end, but payment is always immediate and in full and no discussion. The only problem I ever had was the loss of a $10 book when the buyer refused to put in a claim -- he actually took this up to the USPS senior levels but he kept losing as I had given him the information. He finally put in a claim, and immediately received payment at the window of the Post Office. I later got a rather embarrassed apology from him. UPS and the like work great for WalMart and Target and Just-My-Size and Victoria's Secret and QVC and so forth, as they are shipping a gazillion packages a day. But for the shipment of a valuable item, well, there is a reason why Cartier's will only ship by registered mail. Sorry to have been offensive. But folks who insist on using FedEx and UPS ought to know the downside as well as the cheap rates. And in many cases, the Post Office is cheaper. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 10 04:44:43 2009 From: "Robert J. Wanty" To: , , Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:36:33 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest Green I also tried the scanner method for the green and it came out yellow green fortunately we were only doing the engine compartment so it wasn't a big deal. I agree with the eyeball method, mine turned out great. Bob B382001318 -----Original Message----- From: drmoonstone@aol.com [mailto:drmoonstone@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:49 PM To: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com; Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest Green Steve and others, the computerized color scanning for automotive paints is great, but one color gives it fits...Moonstone. Tried four different supp;iers, all scanned but could not produce an acceptable match. Finally, an older gentleman asked if I'd leave the part for a few days...he was successful matching by eye. My 2 cents experience. Moony From: Steve Laifman To: Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:00 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest Green Paul, Ron Fraser offers some very good advise. Using hardened modern paint system finish will look significantly better in the 'same-as-original" color, it will earn you points off in a concourse for not be "as original", or actually non-restored. But, then again, not all of us expect to enter a show like that, unless you're at Pebble Beach. An automotive paint supply store has "optical" equipment, if they do not have the original equivalent codes, to scan and mix the original color. This is providing, of course, that you have a flat sample of a new condition original color. They can spray it on a checker-board "test panel" where you can take it home and view it (along with your car) in real light. If your paint supplier is NOT your painter, and you provide the compatible materials, you can get the color coat "thinned" with the clear coat, requiring a few more passes to cover. leaves you with a deeper look. Then again, NOTHING can match the original paint job for smoothness, shine, depth, color fastness, etc, THANKFULLY. (9 -) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com wrote: > I'm wondering if there is a MODERN color codes list anywhere for the > rootes colors - specifically Forest Green - 86. > The PPG shop I was in had no luck finding a modern code me. > > thanks, > > Paul You are subscribed as drmoonstone@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as rjw@wengco.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 10 06:14:51 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'A. C. Tynes'" , "'kevin beck'" Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:09:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 289 heads Kevin A.C. is correct; you need to be aware of the different head configurations. Generally the 289 heads with larger valves and larger ports will give you more HP. You also need to use a 289 intake manifold because it also has larger ports. The 260 intake manifold has smaller ports but would still give you some increase in HP but generally less than the 289 manifold. The C3AE-F 289 heads are the only ones with the smaller valves, same as 260 heads, I believe but should still give a HP increase due to the larger ports. The following 289 heads should all have the larger valves and the same size combustion chamber: C4AE-C, C5AE-B, C6OE-M, C4OE-B, C5AE-E, C5OE-A, C7ZE-A Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of A. C. Tynes Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 10:31 PM To: 'kevin beck'; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 289 heads Kevin, According to George Reid's "High Performance Engine Parts Exchange" there are number of different head specs for 289's, some with the same size valves as the 260. Some also had larger combustion chambers than the 260, which could lower your compression ratio. You would have to know exactly which 289 heads you were going to use to get an idea of the effect on your 260. I expect that other, more knowledgeable, list members can give you some suggestions of which 289 heads would be best. On the other hand, given the improvements in SBF heads over the years and the cheapness of late 302/5.0L iron heads now, you may want to consider later "E7TE-PA" Mustang GT heads, the SVO GT40 heads or the GT40P Explorer heads. The prices, especially for the E7 heads, are really low and the availability is high. I'll even give you a pair of E7's if you'll pick them up near New Orleans and buy me a beer. Of course, the reason that iron heads are so cheap is that aluminum heads are so plentiful and make so much easy power. That is what I would be using if not for the cost difference. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of kevin beck > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 8:21 PM > To: Tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] 289 heads > > Thinking of putting 289 heads on my 260 partly because of the > larger valves, how would this effect my 260 motor? Thanks > Kevin _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as v8tracker@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.87/2356 - Release Date: 09/09/09 06:53:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 10 06:46:08 2009 From: Dave Munroe To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, "'A. C. Tynes'" , 'kevin Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:41:14 -0300 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 289 heads Gentlemen: I've been reading with interest all the talk about swapping 289 heads onto 260 blocks to get more H.P. It seems to me the context of use of this power needs to be discussed. As I understand it, and generally, do not larger valves and ports provide the path to more horsepower at higher rpm? seems to me this would be OK if you are seeking performance gains for drag racing, auto crossing, etc. But if your goal is to smoke past the doddlers on the h'way without a lot of sturm und drang, torque at more civilized (lower) rpm is what you need. So in this case, would just bolting on a set of 289 heads be likely to provide that mid-range boost that you are looking for? ??? Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Fraser" To: "'A. C. Tynes'" ; "'kevin beck'" ; Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] 289 heads > Kevin > A.C. is correct; you need to be aware of the different head > configurations. > > Generally the 289 heads with larger valves and larger ports will give you > more HP. You also need to use a 289 intake manifold because it also has > larger ports. The 260 intake manifold has smaller ports but would still > give you some increase in HP but generally less than the 289 manifold. > > The C3AE-F 289 heads are the only ones with the smaller valves, same as > 260 > heads, I believe but should still give a HP increase due to the larger > ports. > > The following 289 heads should all have the larger valves and the same > size > combustion chamber: > C4AE-C, C5AE-B, C6OE-M, C4OE-B, C5AE-E, C5OE-A, C7ZE-A > > Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 10 07:30:03 2009 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: marcsmall@comcast.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:22:40 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shipping and Shipping Methods Marc, give it a rest. No one really cares about your experiences since we all have our own success and horror stories to tell about any type of shipper. Fred Baum _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 10 08:32:52 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 07:32:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 289 heads Ron, Off hand would you know if the 289 heads with the smaller valves came exclusive with the 5 bolt 289? That is what a previous owner transplanted into my Tiger. My Tiger seems to be a hodge-podge of someone's spare parts . Thus, while I could have anything on that motor, curiosity has me wondering (though I do recollect with fuzzy-ness something designating my heads as 1966 vintage). So, until I can remove all the stuff my wife and kids have piled on the car, find a place to place the un-hinged hood and wrangle the not so easy to remove aluminum "Powered By Ford" valve cover ..... . Dave, My understanding was that the Ford small block heads in general never flowed very well. It is just a guess, but unless the compression changes, the larger ports and valves of the 289 likely make little different to remove low and mid range torque on a 260. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 10 10:01:27 2009 From: "Mountjoy" To: Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:59:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 357 Marc, Thank you for your informative and straight foreward email on this subject. We all can learn and for that I thank you. Darrell Mountjoy. ----- Original Message ----- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:10:20 -0400 From: Marc James Small Subject: [Tigers] Shipping and Shipping Methods To: tigers@autox.team.net Message-ID: <20090910051042.56B0E187643@autox.team.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed First, I was stunned to learn that on this List stating that folks doing stupid things are morons pierces thin skins. For my use of the term, I apologize, but I still feel that folks who ship other than by mail are asking for trouble. Theo mentioned a happy experience with UPS or FedEx on the loss of a shipment from Canada to the US. Bear in mind the approach they take to "unique items" and, I suspect, Theo's shipment was not a "unique item". A "unique item" to UPS and FedEx is any item bearing a serial number which is no longer in production and which is being shipped internationally. Thus, say, a 1966 Alpine V engine block would be a "unique item". These guys will take your insurance money but, if you suffer a loss, will say, "oh! we should have told you! We cannot insure unique items" and refund the $3.00 you paid for the insurance, with a really nice letter of "how sorry we are". I do not believe that either FedEx or UPS are now ensuring unique items in international shipments -- I am plugged into old camera circuits, and the word there is to always avoid these services for their inherent unreliability. I would be curious to know whether either UPS or FedEx have changed this policy. I do not believe so: shippers of jewelry and watches and cameras and the like all avoid them as they avoid the plague for good and solid reasons. Another lister mentioned a problem with a camera and lens which arrived destroyed in the mail and the USPS refused to honor his claim as the damage had removed the insurance certificate. Huh? I insist that a shipper send me a scan of the USPS shipping label including the insurance information. The claim has to be put in at the receiving end, but payment is always immediate and in full and no discussion. The only problem I ever had was the loss of a $10 book when the buyer refused to put in a claim -- he actually took this up to the USPS senior levels but he kept losing as I had given him the information. He finally put in a claim, and immediately received payment at the window of the Post Office. I later got a rather embarrassed apology from him. UPS and the like work great for WalMart and Target and Just-My-Size and Victoria's Secret and QVC and so forth, as they are shipping a gazillion packages a day. But for the shipment of a valuable item, well, there is a reason why Cartier's will only ship by registered mail. Sorry to have been offensive. But folks who insist on using FedEx and UPS ought to know the downside as well as the cheap rates. And in many cases, the Post Office is cheaper. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 10 10:15:04 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:02:34 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] FW: 289 heads resending, this email might have been too long. I was just going to comment a bit more on what A.C. mentioned about the E7TE's and factory cast heads. He brings up some good info on this if you are open to options. I recently rebuilt a 1969 302 out of my early bronco, and my engine builder, a successful race engine builder here in Oklahoma, also agreed that the E7TE's would be a slightly better performing head for the 302 over even the original 302 heads for that motor, and I had a set laying around, but didn't want to spend much on the motor. These heads came off a 1988 mustang 5.0. ...granted that mustang was EFI, but the heads don't care where the air is coming from...one note about that thought is the E7TE's are pedestal mount rockers, and the factory heads on the bronco and I assume your 260 and 289's are stud mount. ( I have never had a 260 in anything, and my Tiger is a 302 project so I don't know much about differences they have over the other SBF's) While obviously the stud mount provides plenty of adjustment and flexibility, the pedestal mounts have the advantage of simplicity of installation and a lesser need for maintenance. Obviously the mustang 5.0 heads for well long term in factory form as pedestal mount so if you are content with leaving them alone, one can be quite happy with pedestal mount heads IMO...only catch is the pushrod length is different for a pedestal mount over the stud...so be aware and you would need to re-measure that length and purchase new rods. Everything else swaps right over with the EFI head with no problems. Another thought - As we have all seen I'm sure over the last few decades 351W factory casting heads were a popular low buck upgrade to the 289/302...without having to go to an aftermarket head. those can be picked up fair economically too. I had a set that I sold a year or so ago on EBAY!!!! ....and got a couple hundred bucks for them, ready for rebuild, or run as is. Just a thought, and they should appear stock from under the hood for those that want a factory correct look. I do have a set of 69 model 302 heads that are stud mount ( came off my bronco with a factory 2 barrel) that I have no use for, but they would be so uneconomical to ship I cant imagine anyone wanting them. but if they have any value to anyone I can get the numbers and offer them up at a real bargain. I also have a set of Edelbrock performer RPM aluminum heads that are freshly rebuilt. They have been milled on the deck some, the combustion chambers are down to about 58cc's from the as-cast 60cc. they are 2.02/1.60's with 170cc chambers (60259 part #) and I would take 800 + shipping for them. The are still in the plastic from a fresh valve job and seals/retainers. Great heads for a smaller motor where cylinder volume doesn't require a larger combustion chamber to keep compression down...if pump gas is preferred. These heads will not directly bolt on to the late model 5.0 with stock pistons without valve relief or fly cut...which is why I'm prepared to sell them, I have a low mileage 302 5.0 for my Tiger but I don't want to take it apart and cut the pistons (or cut the pistons in place) for the heads when I can buy a set of trick flow twisted wedges in a 2.02/1.60 right out of the box and bolt them on with no clearance issues. The Edelbrocks might even perform slightly better (very slight) but Trickflows are better suited for my project. Anyway, that's my sales pitch and thoughts on heads.... Cullen _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 10 10:15:35 2009 From: "Mountjoy" To: Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:15:31 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 357 All, My automotive paint supplier, Senik Paint in Orange County, has the optical equipment for color matching but their greatest asset is Inez, one of his employees. He has color matched several of my cars spot-on... this includes solids, metalics, single stage, two stage, etc. He'll prepare the paint for a one-time batch or create a formula to go with it so the color will be repeatable to prepare. My best advice is to find a person who is great at color matching and go from there. Alternartely, if one doesn't have the desired color to begin with, get the desired color through whatever means (a friends car, color library, whatever) and have a formula made so you'll be able to repeat the color, if wanted. I'm sold, Darrell ----- Original Message ----- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:36:33 -0400 From: "Robert J. Wanty" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest Green To: , , Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Message-ID: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C5DAC311@weco1.wengco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I also tried the scanner method for the green and it came out yellow green fortunately we were only doing the engine compartment so it wasn't a big deal. I agree with the eyeball method, mine turned out great. Bob B382001318 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 10 12:47:42 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: Sandy Ganz , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:41:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] FW: 289 heads right on...and btw, in my post I said 170cc "chambers"...I meant 170cc "intake runners"...that would be a big combustion chamber. BTW I mentioned the idea of 351W heads....but I have only seen this done really on a 302...has anyone ever put them on a 260? I cant imagine why you couldn't...but the cam in the 260 would probably need to be pretty healthy to really justify it or benefit...and my guess is if a person is going thru the trouble to modify their 260 to that extent...they probably don't have a 260 in their Tiger at this point anyway..... One thing I have not seen mention until now is chamber volume. I don't know about the cast iron heads but on the aluminum ones the volume can vary which also can affect performance so that might also be something to check if different on the 260,289,351w Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 10 18:47:17 2009 From: drmayf To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:43:45 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] An Air Flow Question for the Worlds Fastest SUnbeam Since I have boxed in the motor by putting in some fender wells, the motor house gets downright hot! I was thinking, usually dangerous to self and by standers alike, that I could make a couple of 1/2 inch thick spacers to go between the hood and the hinges. That would open the front of the hood a 1/2 inch and let ram air in to the motor house. ANd take some of that heat down and out. Anythoughts to this hair brained idea? The rear of the hood is held in place by three dzus buttons but the front is held in place soley by the hinges. Thoughts? COmments? Jeers? Barbs? I'll take them all if related to the issue... mayf _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 10 19:17:33 2009 From: PhastPhill@aol.com To: drmayf@mayfco.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:17:14 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] An Air Flow Question for the Worlds Fastest SUnbeam I would think you need to get the hot air out.How is the question. The Healey rally cars used vents at the rear of the front fenders to pull the air out. Worked well. You can buy repros even now of the vents. You could try propping up the rear of the hood. I don't know how much windscreen you have , a full one might give you a low pressure area and actually pull cold air in, still you have to get it out. I would think spacing the front up would just pull the hood off at the speeds you want to go. You might want to run the car once with a bunch of tell tales duct taped to the hood to see what the air flow is. Maybe a louvered hood would help, or not. Guess you have to know what the air flow is doing over the hood to make a try at an idea. the fender vents worked on the big Healeys though. Cheers and thanks for the adventure sharing _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 10 19:47:38 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:46:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] An Air Flow Question for the Worlds Fastest Mayf The problem here as I see it is that few of us have any experience with Tigers at over 150 mph. What's stable at 120 mph could be frightening at 180 mph. I would think that a 1/2" opening at the front would either create lift or blow the hood right off. Have you tried lifting the back of the hood or put vents in the hood? Do you have an air dam just in front of the radiator to create negative pressure behind the radiator. I would think 3/8" to 1/2" dam width would be more than enough. Good Question, tough to answer. May the Speed Gods smile on you in your Quest. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:44 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] An Air Flow Question for the Worlds Fastest SUnbeam(wannabe) Since I have boxed in the motor by putting in some fender wells, the motor house gets downright hot! I was thinking, usually dangerous to self and by standers alike, that I could make a couple of 1/2 inch thick spacers to go between the hood and the hinges. That would open the front of the hood a 1/2 inch and let ram air in to the motor house. ANd take some of that heat down and out. Anythoughts to this hair brained idea? The rear of the hood is held in place by three dzus buttons but the front is held in place soley by the hinges. Thoughts? COmments? Jeers? Barbs? I'll take them all if related to the issue... mayf You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.87/2356 - Release Date: 09/10/09 05:50:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 10 20:02:37 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Thomas Witt'" , Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:01:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 289 heads Tom The 289 was first cast in Dec 1962, the 6 Bolt 289 started in Aug 1964. The intake valve was increased to 1.78" Feb 1964. The small valve heads were produced from Dec 1962 to Jan 1964 and would all be on 5 Bolt 289 engines. You would need to go through all the casting numbers and date codes to understand what parts you have on your 289. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:33 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 289 heads Ron, Off hand would you know if the 289 heads with the smaller valves came exclusive with the 5 bolt 289? That is what a previous owner transplanted into my Tiger. My Tiger seems to be a hodge-podge of someone's spare parts . Thus, while I could have anything on that motor, curiosity has me wondering (though I do recollect with fuzzy-ness something designating my heads as 1966 vintage). So, until I can remove all the stuff my wife and kids have piled on the car, find a place to place the un-hinged hood and wrangle the not so easy to remove aluminum "Powered By Ford" valve cover ..... . Dave, My understanding was that the Ford small block heads in general never flowed very well. It is just a guess, but unless the compression changes, the larger ports and valves of the 289 likely make little different to remove low and mid range torque on a 260. Tom You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.87/2356 - Release Date: 09/10/09 05:50:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 10 20:18:44 2009 From: drmayf To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:18:06 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] An Air Flow Question for the Worlds Fastest Ron, all, I guess, I didn't give enough information! This car has a large air dam. It has no radiator in the engine bay for air to flow through. Gas tank is in the grill area. Nothing but exhaust pipes, turbo, headers, and lots of motor in the engine bay. All hemed in by fender wells which I only put back in this year. This is NOT a street car by any stretch of inagination. Right now I have zero air flow into the engine compartment. Where the radiator used to be is a firewall that keeps the fuel tank cool (I hope!). Those places where access to the horns used to be are now filled in with plates to keep any heat and fire from the fuel tank. So the engine room is pretty much sealed. But I need some cooling air flow into the area. Hood louvers wont work because there is nothing coming in to escape. Raising the rear of the hood doesn't help for similar reasons. No air flow into the compartment. So I was supposing that raising the front of the hood by 1/2 inch would let some boundary layer air flow into the front of the engine compartment and downward across the headers and turbo plumbing into the low pressure area (in this car) under the engine and chassis. While there may be some lift from air flow across the hood there is also a downward component from the lift and drag to hopefully hold it is place. Does the question I asked make more sense now? Please try agian because a lot of minds are better'n one for sure. Sorry for the confusion. I have now been 186 mph for a mile average a month ago .... next 203.793 + In Sept.... mayf Ron Fraser wrote: >Mayf > The problem here as I see it is that few of us have any experience >with Tigers at over 150 mph. What's stable at 120 mph could be frightening >at 180 mph. > >I would think that a 1/2" opening at the front would either create lift or >blow the hood right off. > >Have you tried lifting the back of the hood or put vents in the hood? > >Do you have an air dam just in front of the radiator to create negative >pressure behind the radiator. >I would think 3/8" to 1/2" dam width would be more than enough. > >Good Question, tough to answer. > >May the Speed Gods smile on you in your Quest. > >Ron Fraser > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] >On Behalf Of drmayf >Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:44 PM >To: tigers@autox.team.net >Subject: [Tigers] An Air Flow Question for the Worlds Fastest >SUnbeam(wannabe) > > >Since I have boxed in the motor by putting in some fender wells, the >motor house gets downright hot! I was thinking, usually dangerous to >self and by standers alike, that I could make a couple of 1/2 inch thick >spacers to go between the hood and the hinges. That would open the front >of the hood a 1/2 inch and let ram air in to the motor house. ANd take >some of that heat down and out. Anythoughts to this hair brained idea? >The rear of the hood is held in place by three dzus buttons but the >front is held in place soley by the hinges. > >Thoughts? COmments? Jeers? Barbs? I'll take them all if related to the >issue... > >mayf _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 10 21:01:41 2009 From: Stephen Waybright To: drmayf@mayfco.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] An Air Flow Question for the Worlds Fastest Mayf, How about adding ducting through the front air dam to feed the engine compartment, or better a NACA duct in the center front of the hood, and then add side vents at the rear of the front fenders? Raising the front of the hood is likely to cause all kinds of unintended problems, from simply adding a lot more drag and/or lift, to having the hood rip loose during a run. Stephen Waybright --- On Thu, 9/10/09, drmayf wrote: > From: drmayf > Subject: Re: [Tigers] An Air Flow Question for the Worlds Fastest SUnbeam(wannabe) > To: rfraser@bluefrog.com > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 10:18 PM > Ron, all, I guess, I didn't > give enough information! This car has a > large air dam. It has no radiator in the engine bay for air > to flow > through. Gas tank is in the grill area. Nothing but > exhaust pipes, > turbo, headers, and lots of motor in the engine bay. All > hemed in by > fender wells which I only put back in this year. This is > NOT a street > car by any stretch of inagination. Right > now I have zero air flow into > the engine compartment. Where the radiator used to be > is a firewall > that keeps the fuel tank cool (I > hope!). Those places where access to > the horns used to be are now filled in with plates to keep > any heat and > fire from the fuel tank. So the engine room is pretty > much sealed. > But I need some cooling air flow into the area. Hood > louvers wont work > because there is nothing coming in to escape. Raising the > rear of the > hood doesn't help for similar reasons. No air flow > into the > compartment. So I was supposing that raising the front of > the hood by > 1/2 inch would let some boundary layer air flow into the > front of the > engine compartment and downward across the headers and > turbo plumbing > into the low pressure area (in this car) under the engine > and chassis. > While there may be some lift from air flow across the hood > there is also > a downward component from the lift and drag to hopefully > hold it is place. > > Does the question I asked make more sense now? Please > try agian because > a lot of minds are better'n one for sure. Sorry for the > confusion. I > have now been 186 mph for a mile average a month ago .... > next 203.793 > + In Sept.... > > > mayf > > Ron Fraser wrote: _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 11 03:47:32 2009 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: , , Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 05:46:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] An Air Flow Question for the Worlds I would think that at the speeds you are talking the inlet air flow volume to the engine compartment would be the least of your worries. 'Course thinking gets me in trouble some times. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations NetJets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 11 05:04:28 2009 From: "thomas rankin" To: , "Mountjoy" Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:04:01 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger colors Anyone Trying to find exact information on Tiger colors. What I'm looking for are specific colors used in specific spots. What black is used on upper and lower control arms. Is it flat black semi gloss black or gloss black? Same with front cross member drive shaft rear end. In certain pictures I've seen the rear pumpkin and orange red is that original? How about undercoating is it only in the wheel wells or is the entire floor covered. These are the color questions I need answered. Why has no one come come up with standard that all Tigers are judge by to see who truly has the best ones. Corvettes have Top Flight where the judges can even tell you where factory quality checks marks are supposed to be. Where is the consistency in the Tiger judging? ----- Original Message ----- From: Mountjoy To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 357 All, My automotive paint supplier, Senik Paint in Orange County, has the optical equipment for color matching but their greatest asset is Inez, one of his employees. He has color matched several of my cars spot-on... this includes solids, metalics, single stage, two stage, etc. He'll prepare the paint for a one-time batch or create a formula to go with it so the color will be repeatable to prepare. My best advice is to find a person who is great at color matching and go from there. Alternartely, if one doesn't have the desired color to begin with, get the desired color through whatever means (a friends car, color library, whatever) and have a formula made so you'll be able to repeat the color, if wanted. I'm sold, Darrell ----- Original Message ----- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:36:33 -0400 From: "Robert J. Wanty" > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest Green To: >, >, > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Message-ID: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C5DAC311@weco1.wengco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I also tried the scanner method for the green and it came out yellow green fortunately we were only doing the engine compartment so it wasn't a big deal. I agree with the eyeball method, mine turned out great. Bob B382001318 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as tigertom333@msn.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 11 06:33:49 2009 From: Stephen Waybright To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 05:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger colors First, I think most the detail you need can be found in the Book of Norman. I sold mine when they crossed $700 on eBay. Come on Norm, print 2nd edition or make a PDF available online so we know what our cars are supposed to have. ;) My theories... Everyone and his brother has a Corvette, so they really need a high level of detail to differentiate the winner amongst their cookie cutter cars. Tigers may be getting closer to that point now that we are seeing more and more top notch restorations, but in the Tiger community, we have generally placed as much value on personalized cars and modified cars as demonstrated by the judging classes as such in national events. I'm not sure why, but I rather prefer it to the approach where only original cars can be appreciated. Original and best are not the same thing in my personal car value system. Further, most shows I go to with the Tiger, I'm often the only Sunbeam at all, let alone a Tiger. There are always more Shelby's and Corvettes, so there's not much need to go beyond general fit/finish to pick a winner among Tigers. I honestly belive that is the reality with most show classes, considering that you're working with a small group of volunteer judges usually from the club that sponsored the show. I've even won class in a fairly large concourse (Houston's Keels & Wheels concours d'Elegance-Misc British Sportscar) with my highly modified Tiger, simply because it's fit/finish was so good. Any car judge should recognize that my 16" Panasports, 45-series tires and Koni coil overs were not original. :) Outside of California, the national Sunbeam events are the only place where you'd need or even have judges with the knowledge to recognize the minutia of a factory original Tiger at a show (there are a few guys outside California who might, not enough to cover more than a few shows annually. Finally, Tigers are consistently judged in that each car is what best fits the needs and means of its owner, and that's all that really matters. Stephen Waybright On Fri, 9/11/09, thomas rankin wrote: > From: thomas rankin > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger colors > To: tigers@autox.team.net, "Mountjoy" > Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 7:04 AM > Anyone > > Trying to find exact information on Tiger colors. What I'm > looking for > are specific colors used in specific spots. What black is > used on upper > and lower control arms. Is it flat black semi gloss > black or gloss black? > Same with front cross member drive shaft rear end. In > certain pictures > I've seen the rear pumpkin and orange red is that original? > How about > undercoating is it only in the wheel wells or is the > entire floor covered. > These are the color questions I need answered. Why has no > one come > come up with standard that all Tigers are judge by to see > who truly has > the best ones. Corvettes have Top Flight where the judges > can even tell > you where factory quality checks marks are supposed to be. > Where is the > consistency in the Tiger judging? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 11 06:46:19 2009 From: "spook01" To: "thomas rankin" , , Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:42:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger colors hi, i have some nos suspension bits in my collection of parts purchased years ago from a dealer. the upper arms and lower arms are a semi-gloss black. just like, as far as i can tell, the eastwood chassis black color. hope that helps. Best, Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "thomas rankin" To: ; "Mountjoy" Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:04 AM Subject: [Tigers] Tiger colors > Anyone > > Trying to find exact information on Tiger colors. What I'm looking for > are specific colors used in specific spots. What black is used on upper > and lower control arms. Is it flat black semi gloss black or gloss black? > Same with front cross member drive shaft rear end. In certain pictures > I've seen the rear pumpkin and orange red is that original? How about > undercoating is it only in the wheel wells or is the entire floor > covered. > These are the color questions I need answered. Why has no one come > come up with standard that all Tigers are judge by to see who truly has > the best ones. Corvettes have Top Flight where the judges can even tell > you where factory quality checks marks are supposed to be. Where is the > consistency in the Tiger judging? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mountjoy > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 357 > > > All, > My automotive paint supplier, Senik Paint in Orange County, has the > optical > equipment for color matching but their greatest asset is Inez, one of his > employees. He has color matched several of my cars spot-on... this > includes > solids, metalics, single stage, two stage, etc. He'll prepare the paint > for > a one-time batch or create a formula to go with it so the color will be > repeatable to prepare. > > My best advice is to find a person who is great at color matching and go > from there. Alternartely, if one doesn't have the desired color to begin > with, get the desired color through whatever means (a friends car, color > library, whatever) and have a formula made so you'll be able to repeat > the > color, if wanted. > I'm sold, > Darrell > > > ----- Original Message ----- Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:36:33 -0400 > From: "Robert J. Wanty" > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest Green > To: >, > >, > > > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Message-ID: > <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C5DAC311@weco1.wengco.com 741B4BF2215652F46C5DAC311@weco1.wengco.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I also tried the scanner method for the green and it came out yellow > green fortunately we were only doing the engine compartment so it wasn't > a big deal. I agree with the eyeball method, mine turned out great. > > > Bob > B382001318 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tigertom333@msn.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers /listinfo/tigers> > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as spook01@comcast.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 11 07:18:31 2009 From: Larry Paulick To: drmayf@mayfco.com Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:17:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] An Air Flow Question for the Worlds Fastest DrMayf, have you consulted with other drivers, who have this same problem, in this ratified area. As Ron points out this is a whole different world at these speeds. Other racers at the Flats may have a better, workable solution, that is safe at the same time. The comments of "I tired that and ******** happened or worked" may be more valuable than experience of us who travel well below 120 mph. I did some air flow test on my car for cooling, with vents in the fenders that work, an air dam, and the block off's in the radiator area, as well as a cold air box for the carb, but again, this is all stuff that doesn't apply at the speeds you are going. Larry drmayf wrote: > Ron, all, I guess, I didn't give enough information! This car has a > large air dam. It has no radiator in the engine bay for air to flow > through. Gas tank is in the grill area. Nothing but exhaust pipes, > turbo, headers, and lots of motor in the engine bay. All hemed in by > fender wells which I only put back in this year. This is NOT a street > car by any stretch of inagination. Right now I have zero air flow > into the engine compartment. Where the radiator used to be is a > firewall that keeps the fuel tank cool (I hope!). Those places where > access to the horns used to be are now filled in with plates to keep > any heat and fire from the fuel tank. So the engine room is pretty > much sealed. But I need some cooling air flow into the area. Hood > louvers wont work because there is nothing coming in to escape. > Raising the rear of the hood doesn't help for similar reasons. No air > flow into the compartment. So I was supposing that raising the front > of the hood by 1/2 inch would let some boundary layer air flow into > the front of the engine compartment and downward across the headers > and turbo plumbing into the low pressure area (in this car) under the > engine and chassis. While there may be some lift from air flow > across the hood there is also a downward component from the lift and > drag to hopefully hold it is place. > Does the question I asked make more sense now? Please try agian > because a lot of minds are better'n one for sure. Sorry for the > confusion. I have now been 186 mph for a mile average a month ago .... > next 203.793 + In Sept.... > > > mayf > > Ron Fraser wrote: > >> Mayf >> The problem here as I see it is that few of us have any experience >> with Tigers at over 150 mph. What's stable at 120 mph could be >> frightening >> at 180 mph. >> >> I would think that a 1/2" opening at the front would either create >> lift or >> blow the hood right off. >> >> Have you tried lifting the back of the hood or put vents in the hood? >> >> Do you have an air dam just in front of the radiator to create negative >> pressure behind the radiator. >> I would think 3/8" to 1/2" dam width would be more than enough. >> >> Good Question, tough to answer. >> >> May the Speed Gods smile on you in your Quest. >> >> Ron Fraser >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >> [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of drmayf >> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:44 PM >> To: tigers@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Tigers] An Air Flow Question for the Worlds Fastest >> SUnbeam(wannabe) >> >> >> Since I have boxed in the motor by putting in some fender wells, the >> motor house gets downright hot! I was thinking, usually dangerous to >> self and by standers alike, that I could make a couple of 1/2 inch >> thick spacers to go between the hood and the hinges. That would open >> the front of the hood a 1/2 inch and let ram air in to the motor >> house. ANd take some of that heat down and out. Anythoughts to this >> hair brained idea? The rear of the hood is held in place by three >> dzus buttons but the front is held in place soley by the hinges. >> >> Thoughts? COmments? Jeers? Barbs? I'll take them all if related to >> the issue... >> >> mayf _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 11 07:32:30 2009 From: Larry Paulick To: thomas rankin Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:26:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger colors Thomas, I tried to get this incorporated in the TE/AE Concours rules, but was met with opposition. Why? No good answer, even though other groups like the T'Bird and Mercedes groups have these in their rules. The Judges and Owners, then have the same point of reference, and the judging is much fairer and uniform. thomas rankin wrote: > Anyone > > Trying to find exact information on Tiger colors. What I'm looking for > are specific colors used in specific spots. What black is used on upper > and lower control arms. Is it flat black semi gloss black or gloss black? > Same with front cross member drive shaft rear end. In certain pictures > I've seen the rear pumpkin and orange red is that original? How about > undercoating is it only in the wheel wells or is the entire floor covered. > These are the color questions I need answered. Why has no one come > come up with standard that all Tigers are judge by to see who truly has > the best ones. Corvettes have Top Flight where the judges can even tell > you where factory quality checks marks are supposed to be. Where is the > consistency in the Tiger judging? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mountjoy > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 357 > > > All, > My automotive paint supplier, Senik Paint in Orange County, has the optical > equipment for color matching but their greatest asset is Inez, one of his > employees. He has color matched several of my cars spot-on... this includes > solids, metalics, single stage, two stage, etc. He'll prepare the paint for > a one-time batch or create a formula to go with it so the color will be > repeatable to prepare. > > My best advice is to find a person who is great at color matching and go > from there. Alternartely, if one doesn't have the desired color to begin > with, get the desired color through whatever means (a friends car, color > library, whatever) and have a formula made so you'll be able to repeat the > color, if wanted. > I'm sold, > Darrell > > > ----- Original Message ----- Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:36:33 -0400 > From: "Robert J. Wanty" > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest Green > To: >, > >, > > > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Message-ID: > <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C5DAC311@weco1.wengco.com 741B4BF2215652F46C5DAC311@weco1.wengco.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I also tried the scanner method for the green and it came out yellow > green fortunately we were only doing the engine compartment so it wasn't > a big deal. I agree with the eyeball method, mine turned out great. > > > Bob > B382001318 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tigertom333@msn.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers /listinfo/tigers> > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as lpaulick@comcast.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 11 08:02:23 2009 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: drmayf@mayfco.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:56:00 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] An Air Flow Question for the Worlds Fastest SUnbeam What was the reason for putting in the fender wells? Apparently the car ran fine without them. Fred Baum _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 11 08:02:41 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:56:43 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] An Air Flow Question for the Worlds Fastest Hi Mayf, First off, congratulations on again getting to 186 MPH in August, hopefully you can bump up the speed safely in October. And props to SCTA for posting times and pictures after each day... Makes it easy to be an armchair (or office chair) land speed racing spectator. Since you have basically no airflow in the engine compartment right now, *any* airflow will make a substantial difference to the temperatures. However, it might be tough to find a good place where you can maximize the airflow and minimize the drag penalty. Is the leading edge of the hood a place where the airflow is relatively attached to the car, or is it very turbulent? Lifting the hood there may not do anything if the boundary layer is a couple of inches away at that point. If it's possible in the timeframe available, you should do a couple of tests with a water manometer array to see where you have some pressure on the hood, and then put an optimal duct (NACA contour?) in that place. Failing that, what about popping one of the headlight covers and running a duct from there to the engine compartment? A 7" hole can move a LOT of air, even if you choke it down to cut the drag penalty. Cheers, Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 11 08:46:19 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "thomas rankin" , Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:34:44 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger colors Tom, I think the main problem (if you can call it that) is that there are a lot of Tiger owners who think the "best" Tiger is one where all the suspension components are covered by a fine layer of road dust, and where all the penny-pinching parts have been replaced by components more suited to the task. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of thomas rankin > Sent: September 11, 2009 5:04 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net; Mountjoy > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger colors > > Anyone > > These are the color questions I need answered. Why has no one > come come up with standard that all Tigers are judge by to > see who truly has the best ones. Corvettes have Top Flight > where the judges can even tell you where factory quality > checks marks are supposed to be. Where is the consistency in > the Tiger judging? > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 11 10:16:25 2009 From: David T Johnson To: tigers@autox.team.net, Mountjoy , thomas rankin Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger colors Tom The chassis components are semi gloss black. The rear end is black including the axle tubes except for the pumpkin which is glytol orange. Often wrong on repaints is the area behind the grill. From the chrome strip back is black (not body color) with no overspray on the radiator support. On MK II's the rocker panels are black not body color. I wouldn't worry about getting everything thing perfect. Remember 'Only GOD makes perfect things' and I think your're not Him. As others have said, it's workmanship and cleanliness that wins. Drive the car. That's what's it for, Dave --- On Fri, 9/11/09, thomas rankin wrote: From: thomas rankin Subject: [Tigers] Tiger colors To: tigers@autox.team.net, "Mountjoy" Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 11:04 AM Anyone Trying to find exact information on Tiger colors. What I'm looking for are specific colors used in specific spots. What black is used on upper and lower control arms. Is it flat black semi gloss black or gloss black? Same with front cross member drive shaft rear end. In certain pictures I've seen the rear pumpkin and orange red is that original? How about undercoating is it only in the wheel wells or is the entire floor covered. These are the color questions I need answered. Why has no one come come up with standard that all Tigers are judge by to see who truly has the best ones. Corvettes have Top Flight where the judges can even tell you where factory quality checks marks are supposed to be. Where is the consistency in the Tiger judging? ----- Original Message ----- From: Mountjoy To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 357 All, My automotive paint supplier, Senik Paint in Orange County, has the optical equipment for color matching but their greatest asset is Inez, one of his employees. He has color matched several of my cars spot-on... this includes solids, metalics, single stage, two stage, etc. He'll prepare the paint for a one-time batch or create a formula to go with it so the color will be repeatable to prepare. My best advice is to find a person who is great at color matching and go from there. Alternartely, if one doesn't have the desired color to begin with, get the desired color through whatever means (a friends car, color library, whatever) and have a formula made so you'll be able to repeat the color, if wanted. I'm sold, Darrell ----- Original Message ----- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:36:33 -0400 From: "Robert J. Wanty" > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Forest Green To: >, >, > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Message-ID: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C5DAC311@weco1.wengco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I also tried the scanner method for the green and it came out yellow green fortunately we were only doing the engine compartment so it wasn't a big deal. I agree with the eyeball method, mine turned out great. Bob B382001318 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as tigertom333@msn.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as djoh797014@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 11 12:23:18 2009 From: Jeffrey Nichols To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Paint and other things "Often wrong on repaints is the area behind the grill. From the chrome strip back is black (not body color) with no overspray on the radiator support. " To do that part correctly, you have to use a brush to get the brush strokes of the Rootes workmen. Also, I was told the area just inside the door, between the door skin and the rubber weatherstripping should be brush painted black. This is from a noted Alpine/Tiger expert. A good paint to use on x-member, front suspension parts, rear axel is black epoxy primer. Its semi-gloss and very durable and chip proof. Doug Jennings uses that in his shop. I retrieved my x-member from Doug Jennings last weekend and spent a couple of hours going over the differences between a Alpine and Tiger chassis. Doug had a Alpine and Tiger chassis that were dipped and sitting side by side. My impression is that a Tiger chassis is a Alpine chassis from Rootes with some things left off. Like the battery box and spare tire mount. Next, it went to Jensen who proceeded to cut things off with a torch. Then Jensen workers welded bits on with no real precision. Doug showed me how some brackets are attached crooked and in different spots from one car to the next. I always thought that there must be a template for the welding in the engine bay or for the cutting but apparently not. Doug and I talked about how there may be a Jensen Tiger assembly book floating around in the UK that lays out exactly what has to be done to create a Tiger (could be worth its weight in platinum). Maybe someone in the UK could track it down. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 11 16:18:38 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:05:34 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger colors Here's a sorta-off-topic question: How did Glyptal come to be the go-to coating for differentials and engine blocks? I know that it's used because it seals pores in the cast iron surfaces, but how did an electrical insulation compound become the de-facto standard for engine, transmission, and diff interiors? http://www.glyptal.com/ Glyptal is a US product that was mainly a research-facility material until maybe two decades ago. So why would it be the concours-correct paint for a diff on a British car? Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David T Johnson > Sent: September 11, 2009 10:06 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net; Mountjoy; thomas rankin > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger colors > > Tom > > The chassis components are semi gloss black. The rear end is > black including the axle tubes except for the pumpkin which > is glytol orange. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 11 16:34:04 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:30:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger colors Theo, So, was the product name used generically like "Cola?" I always thought Glyptal was the product name, but this link seems to indicate it was the name of manufacturer. If so, did the product and manufacturer have the same name or Glyptal (as car guys know it) have a different name (or number)? Sorry for more questions than answers. Tom > Here's a sorta-off-topic question: How did Glyptal come to be the go-to > coating for differentials and engine blocks? I know that it's used > because it seals pores in the cast iron surfaces, but how did an > electrical insulation compound become the de-facto standard for engine, > transmission, and diff interiors? > > http://www.glyptal.com/ > > Glyptal is a US product that was mainly a research-facility material > until maybe two decades ago. So why would it be the concours-correct > paint for a diff on a British car? > > Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 11 17:03:31 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Thomas Witt" , Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:57:13 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger colors Glyptal was originally a GE product, made in their chemicals division, as mentioned on their website. Richard Feynman mentions the use of Glyptal in one of his books, where I'm pretty sure he's talking about the 40's. So it's not a recent thing. Glyptal's website has several different products listed, and I'm sure that even historically GE made different products for different applications. I was just curious about the history of cross-pollination that put this electronics-industry niche product in hot rodders' cars. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt > Sent: September 11, 2009 4:30 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger colors > > Theo, > So, was the product name used generically like "Cola?" I > always thought Glyptal was the product name, but this link > seems to indicate it was the name of manufacturer. If so, > did the product and manufacturer have the same name or > Glyptal (as car guys know it) have a different name (or number)? > Sorry for more questions than answers. > Tom > > > > > > Here's a sorta-off-topic question: How did Glyptal come to be the > > go-to coating for differentials and engine blocks? I know that it's > > used because it seals pores in the cast iron surfaces, but > how did an > > electrical insulation compound become the de-facto standard for > > engine, transmission, and diff interiors? > > > > http://www.glyptal.com/ > > > > Glyptal is a US product that was mainly a research-facility > material > > until maybe two decades ago. So why would it be the > concours-correct > > paint for a diff on a British car? > > > > Theo > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as theo.smit@dynastream.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 11 21:04:03 2009 From: drmoonstone@aol.com To: Theo.Smit@dynastream.com, atwittsend@verizon.net, Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:57:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger colors Theo, in the 70's I used Glyptal in a Z28 302 motor (DZ). It's purpose was to confine any casting sand in the block from contaminating the oil. Sean -----Original Message----- From: Smit, Theo To: Thomas Witt ; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:57 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger colors Glyptal was originally a GE product, made in their chemicals division, as mentioned on their website. Richard Feynman mentions the use of Glyptal in one of his books, where I'm pretty sure he's talking about the 40's. So it's not a recent thing. Glyptal's website has several different products listed, and I'm sure that even historically GE made different products for different applications. I was just curious about the history of cross-pollination that put this electronics-industry niche product in hot rodders' cars. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt > Sent: September 11, 2009 4:30 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger colors > > Theo, > So, was the product name used generically like "Cola?" I > always thought Glyptal was the product name, but this link > seems to indicate it was the name of manufacturer. If so, > did the product and manufacturer have the same name or > Glyptal (as car guys know it) have a different name (or number)? > Sorry for more questions than answers. > Tom > > > > > > Here's a sorta-off-topic question: How did Glyptal come to be the > > go-to coating for differentials and engine blocks? I know that it's > > used because it seals pores in the cast iron surfaces, but > how did an > > electrical insulation compound become the de-facto standard for > > engine, transmission, and diff interiors? > > > > http://www.glyptal.com/ > > > > Glyptal is a US product that was mainly a research-facility > material > > until maybe two decades ago. So why would it be the > concours-correct > > paint for a diff on a British car? > > > > Theo > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as theo.smit@dynastream.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as drmoonstone@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 11 22:18:46 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:58:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger colors This is probably more than one wants to know about Glyptal (below). It doesn't directly answer Theo's question of migration from electric to automotive application. But, likely an enthusiast with knowledge of the products capabilities tried it one day and as they say, "the rest is history." Or, perhaps the military was looking for a product with Glyptal's capabilities (it does have a MIL spec.) and that might be how it found it's way into automotive applications. Tom Although Glyptal 1201 was originally developed as an insulating paint for electrical applications such as the treatment of coils and armatures, its outstanding resistance to corrosion, moisture, oil, acid, heat, dust and salt spray has made it popular throughout industry as a Primer, Sealer, Adhesive and Protective Finish. There are literally hundreds of uses for 1201. Some of the more typical industry uses include: Primer for structural iron and steel . General plant maintenance . Sealer for concrete floors Primer and finish for motor, generator, and transformer housings Anti-moisture coating on thermostat, water cooler, and truck control parts Sealer for pipe and stud threads and vacuum systems Anti-corrosion protection for winches ~nd other out- door apparatus Electrical insulation for coils and armatures . Adhesive for gaskets Coating for interior of hydraulic tanks, and bearing cases. Superior performance from a superior paint. Exhaustive tests conducted at the Glyptal laboratories confirm consistently favorable customer experience with 1201: Meets Requirements of MIL-E-22118 Flexibility is far superior to competitive red sealers on both backed and air-dried films. 1201 can take rugged impact. Water Resistance is excellent. Prolonged Aging doesn't crack 1201's film, leaves no place for destructive agents to get in. Fast Drying 1201 is tack-free in about thirty minutes at room temperature, can be baked to a beautiful smooth finish. Heat Resistance. 1201 has got it, can withstand continuous 135B0C temperatures for months. Prolonged Heat. After 3700 hours at 35B0C, there is no change in dielectric strength. Toughness. High-gloss paints have a tender film. 1201 has a low-gloss finish, designed for great resistance to abrasion. Adhesion. 1201 hangs on, stays where it's put-on metals, ceramic, porcelain, concrete, fibres, and wood. Dielectric Strength is rated at 1500 volts per mil, permits thinner coating than most competitive paints. Arc Resistance, even with air-dried films, is 480 seconds. Seals pores left in metal after bead blasting. Helps keep oil clean and flowing freely. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 12 15:34:38 2009 From: Rob Bernardino To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:26:10 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] You Choose The Winner Of The Lucas Electrics Photoshop Follow-up on a brilliant contest. Enjoy! Rob http://jalopnik.com/5355247/you-choose-the-winner-of-the-lucas-electrics-photoshop-contest Rob in CT 1966 Mk1A Tiger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 13 10:23:52 2009 From: Tod Brown To: Tigers@autox.team.net, Theo Smit , "Thomas Witt" Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 12:00:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Glyptal I don't recollect Feynman's reference to glyptal in his writings (and I have read them all) but, if he knew about it in the '40's, probably it was widely used, particularly in the military at that time. Feynman, of course, was at Los Alamos, deeply involved with the calculations required for the development of the Atomic Bomb and would have seen plenty of military equipment at that site while it was being developed. It also makes sense that, with all the equipment being stockpiled in Great Britain in the build-up to D-Day that many Brits would have seen the stuff being used to protect parts and supplies. After the war, they would have remembered and simply found another application for the stuff. That's my theory, anyway. Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 13 11:39:09 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 10:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] original oil lines reprodced The oil lines on my Mk1 are to long to be able to use the oil filter holder that bolts to the head. Im guessing a PO had them made and they either copied other unoriginal hoses or where only interested in them not leaking. Since the clamp was also missing its just a guess. My question is if I wanted to have my problem corrected and since I dont have the correct hoses, does anyone have knowledge of where I can send mine and receive the corrct length hoses? I planned on doing away with them using the motorport 90 degree adaptor but my headers wont allow the short filter to the best of my knowledge. Im not a stickler for having to run the original hoses as they can be a real pain if one burst while on a trip and they always seem to lek, even if its an occasional drip. Thanks in advance for informtion or other ideas. TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 13 12:31:56 2009 From: "Robert Palmer" To: "'Tod Brown'" , , Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:04:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Glyptal Guys - Here is a link to the part of Feynman's memoirs about using glyptol to fix vacuum leaks at Princeton grad school. Back in my days of doing research with vacuum systems, a bottle or two of glyptal was always on hand for fixing small leaks. Personally, I was reluctant to use it because it was so permanent and prevented a more appropriate fix - like welding or soldering - and looked messy too. Some of my colleagues would just starting painting suspicious places until the leak stopped. Drove me nuts - still am. But painting engine internals, diff's etc. is a good idea in my book. If nothing else, it makes clean-up a lot easier. http://physicshead.blogspot.com/2007/09/feynman-on-princetons-cyclotron.html _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 13 15:57:21 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: Tony Somebody , Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] original oil lines reprodced Don't know what the originals looked like, but you might just be able to go to one of the hydraulic hose place (Hose Man) or something like that and have them make it up for your if the fittings are available. OR you your try to do something yourself with standard -AN fitting in braided or newer kevlar hoses that are pretty easy to make up yourself. You could also make something like I did that uses a compact filter from Canton Mecca which can use easy to get AN fittings and you can change the filter from the top. http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/TigerEngine.html Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Tony Somebody To: Tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 10:12:14 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] original oil lines reprodced The oil lines on my Mk1 are to long to be able to use the oil filter holder that bolts to the head. Im guessing a PO had them made and they either copied other unoriginal hoses or where only interested in them not leaking. Since the clamp was also missing its just a guess. My question is if I wanted to have my problem corrected and since I dont have the correct hoses, does anyone have knowledge of where I can send mine and receive the corrct length hoses? I planned on doing away with them using the motorport 90 degree adaptor but my headers wont allow the short filter to the best of my knowledge. Im not a stickler for having to run the original hoses as they can be a real pain if one burst while on a trip and they always seem to lek, even if its an occasional drip. Thanks in advance for informtion or other ideas. TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 13 16:12:43 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] John Morton More of interest for Buck, and others that know John Morton. Here is a CarCast interview with John Morton and Adam Carolla, and I get to stand next to them and smirk... http://www.adamcarolla.com/CarCastBlog/2009/09/11/bres-first-race-car/ Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 13 17:26:33 2009 From: "Robin Young" To: "'Tony Somebody'" , Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:01:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] original oil lines reprodced Tony, my lines were weeping so I took the whole assembly to a hydraulics service company. They were able to duplicate everything for about 100.00. Since then, I have found another company that does a lot of tubes and hoses for show cars. The web site is www.tnhlakeland.com and their work is excellent and he really likes old cars. If you go with them the owner is Elliot and it would be best to send him some original hose and fittings. He can even duplicate the horseshoe tube at the filter housing. Robin Young -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 1:12 PM To: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] original oil lines reprodced The oil lines on my Mk1 are to long to be able to use the oil filter holder that bolts to the head. Im guessing a PO had them made and they either copied other unoriginal hoses or where only interested in them not leaking. Since the clamp was also missing its just a guess. My question is if I wanted to have my problem corrected and since I dont have the correct hoses, does anyone have knowledge of where I can send mine and receive the corrct length hoses? I planned on doing away with them using the motorport 90 degree adaptor but my headers wont allow the short filter to the best of my knowledge. Im not a stickler for having to run the original hoses as they can be a real pain if one burst while on a trip and they always seem to lek, even if its an occasional drip. Thanks in advance for informtion or other ideas. TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 13 17:47:53 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Tigers@autox.team.net, robin02@mindspring.com Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] original oil lines reprodced THANKS Robin. I almost bought a set on epay so I would have orginals to duplicate BU they went to high for hoses that are 40 plus years old. Maybe someone will have some orginal hoses they will measure off the car or I can go with a setup like Sandy mentioed. TtT --- On Sun, 9/13/09, Robin Young wrote: > From: Robin Young > Subject: RE: [Tigers] original oil lines reprodced > To: "'Tony Somebody'" , Tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 6:01 PM > Tony, my lines were weeping so I took > the whole assembly to a hydraulics > service company. They were able to duplicate everything for > about 100.00. > Since then, I have found another company that does a lot of > tubes and hoses > for show cars. The web site is > www.tnhlakeland.com and their work is > excellent and he really likes old cars. If you go > with them the owner is > Elliot and it would be best to send him some original hose > and fittings. He > can even duplicate the horseshoe tube at the filter > housing. Robin Young > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Tony Somebody > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 1:12 PM > To: Tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] original oil lines reprodced > > The oil lines on my Mk1 are to long to be able to use the > oil filter holder > that bolts to the head. Im guessing a PO had them made and > they either > copied other unoriginal hoses or where only interested in > them not leaking. > Since the clamp was also missing its just a guess. My > question is if I > wanted to have my problem corrected and since I dont have > the correct hoses, > does anyone have knowledge of where I can send mine and > receive the corrct > length hoses? I planned on doing away with them using the > motorport 90 > degree adaptor but my headers wont allow the short filter > to the best of my > knowledge. Im not a stickler for having to run the original > hoses as they > can be a real pain if one burst while on a trip and they > always seem to lek, > even if its an occasional drip. > Thanks in advance for informtion or other ideas. > TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 13 19:27:48 2009 From: David T Johnson To: Tigers@autox.team.net, robin02@mindspring.com, Tony Somebody Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 18:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] original oil lines reprodced Tony Stop fooling arond. CAT and SS sell excellent braided stainles steel lines complete with the correct fittings. Far cheaper than the original black plastic lines. They leak easily, leak a lot if it touches the header, and after a few years snap in two. The line on my Tiger was routed through the oil filter bracket behind the round basket that holds the filter. Keeps it away from things. 581 cars today at the Chicago British Car Festival including 16 Sunbeams. Tiger ,Alpines, 2 1948 Hillman Minx convertibles, 2 Super Minxes, and an Imp. Kirt Jensen was awarded 1st Place in the Tiger class. Amazing show with unbelievable cars: An Arnolt Bristol, 2 Morgan Trikes, a real 1923 Silver Ghost, a Bentley 3.0L Left Side, Lister Race car, Cadilac Allard, So many cars So little time to see. Dave Johnson Sunburned --- On Sun, 9/13/09, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: Re: [Tigers] original oil lines reprodced To: Tigers@autox.team.net, robin02@mindspring.com Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 11:26 PM THANKS Robin. I almost bought a set on epay so I would have orginals to duplicate BU they went to high for hoses that are 40 plus years old. Maybe someone will have some orginal hoses they will measure off the car or I can go with a setup like Sandy mentioed. TtT --- On Sun, 9/13/09, Robin Young wrote: > From: Robin Young > Subject: RE: [Tigers] original oil lines reprodced > To: "'Tony Somebody'" , Tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 6:01 PM > Tony, my lines were weeping so I took > the whole assembly to a hydraulics > service company. They were able to duplicate everything for > about 100.00. > Since then, I have found another company that does a lot of > tubes and hoses > for show cars. The web site is > www.tnhlakeland.com and their work is > excellent and he really likes old cars. If you go > with them the owner is > Elliot and it would be best to send him some original hose > and fittings. He > can even duplicate the horseshoe tube at the filter > housing. Robin Young > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Tony Somebody > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 1:12 PM > To: Tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] original oil lines reprodced > > The oil lines on my Mk1 are to long to be able to use the > oil filter holder > that bolts to the head. Im guessing a PO had them made and > they either > copied other unoriginal hoses or where only interested in > them not leaking. > Since the clamp was also missing its just a guess. My > question is if I > wanted to have my problem corrected and since I dont have > the correct hoses, > does anyone have knowledge of where I can send mine and > receive the corrct > length hoses? I planned on doing away with them using the > motorport 90 > degree adaptor but my headers wont allow the short filter > to the best of my > knowledge. Im not a stickler for having to run the original > hoses as they > can be a real pain if one burst while on a trip and they > always seem to lek, > even if its an occasional drip. > Thanks in advance for informtion or other ideas. > TonytheTiger You are subscribed as djoh797014@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 13 22:29:32 2009 From: "Scattt" To: "Tony Somebody" , , Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 00:06:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] original oil lines reprodced I may have a origional set I can run by the shop here in Lakeland to be reproduced. Robin, do you have your origional set? Mine may be for a Mk-II. This outfit has made quite a few sets of brake lines for me. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Somebody" To: ; Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] original oil lines reprodced > THANKS Robin. I almost bought a set on epay so I would have orginals to > duplicate BU they went to high for hoses that are 40 plus years old. Maybe > someone will have some orginal hoses they will measure off the car or I > can go > with a setup like Sandy mentioed. > TtT > > --- On Sun, 9/13/09, Robin Young wrote: > >> From: Robin Young >> Subject: RE: [Tigers] original oil lines reprodced >> To: "'Tony Somebody'" , Tigers@autox.team.net >> Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 6:01 PM >> Tony, my lines were weeping so I took >> the whole assembly to a hydraulics >> service company. They were able to duplicate everything for >> about 100.00. >> Since then, I have found another company that does a lot of >> tubes and hoses >> for show cars. The web site is >> www.tnhlakeland.com and their work is >> excellent and he really likes old cars. If you go >> with them the owner is >> Elliot and it would be best to send him some original hose >> and fittings. He >> can even duplicate the horseshoe tube at the filter >> housing. Robin Young >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >> [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of Tony Somebody >> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 1:12 PM >> To: Tigers@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] original oil lines reprodced >> >> The oil lines on my Mk1 are to long to be able to use the >> oil filter holder >> that bolts to the head. Im guessing a PO had them made and >> they either >> copied other unoriginal hoses or where only interested in >> them not leaking. >> Since the clamp was also missing its just a guess. My >> question is if I >> wanted to have my problem corrected and since I dont have >> the correct hoses, >> does anyone have knowledge of where I can send mine and >> receive the corrct >> length hoses? I planned on doing away with them using the >> motorport 90 >> degree adaptor but my headers wont allow the short filter >> to the best of my >> knowledge. Im not a stickler for having to run the original >> hoses as they >> can be a real pain if one burst while on a trip and they >> always seem to lek, >> even if its an occasional drip. >> Thanks in advance for informtion or other ideas. >> TonytheTiger > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as scattt@verizon.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 14 10:00:12 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:43:06 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Fixed Retrotek issues Hi all, A month or so ago I emailed a rant about the issues I was having with the RetrotekSpeed EFI system I'm running on my Tiger. Since then I did some testing and determined that most if not all of the problems were ignition related. I had consistent misfiring at about 1500-1800 RPM, at 3000 RPM, and above 4000 RPM, with the system set up as suggested by Retrotek - except that I was using the Ford TFI module to drive an MSD6-AL. I had confirmed that the problem at 3000 RPM was definitely due to the Retrotek missing one of the eight distributor timing pulses... Ford makes one of the reluctor teeth in the TFI distributor narrower so that it can recognize the #1 cylinder and do port-timed injection in the OEM application. For whatever reason, this pulse was coming in at slightly lower voltage than the others, and the Retrotek computer wasn't always recognizing it, and then it wouldn't send out a corresponding pulse to fire the ignition. I didn't have this problem at SUNI, because I wasn't using the TFI module there... I'd done my own driver circuit to interface the PIP module in the distributor to the EFI input, with a manual switch to bypass the computer for starting. So I went back to that driver circuit, and used a small relay triggered by the 'start' position of the ignition switch to handle the switchover duties. This got rid of the 3000 RPM miss but still left the 1500-1800 RPM problem and later I discovered that it also developed a miss above 4500 RPM (I don't often play up there right now). I'd been very careful to route high-power wires for the injectors and for the coil well away from the sensor wires; this is a common problem in aftermarket EFI installations, but I was pretty sure I wasn't having a problem there. I had noticed that when I was using a timing light to check the timing, occasionally I'd get indications that were way out of whack, then the timing would jump back to where it was supposed to be. This can be caused by crossfires, but after I replaced the plugs and plug wires I still had the miss. I finally decided to bite the bullet. Took the old Frankenstein distributor (1969 casting with matching lower distributor shaft, first-generation Duraspark reluctor upper shaft, welded and ground advance plate, and vacuum advance unit) off the shelf, pulled off the broken distributor gear, pressed on a new steel MSD gear, plugged the distributor into the MSD, rewired the computer to take its RPM signal from the MSD tach output, and bam! Instant success. No misfires, no hesitation, and it pulls smooth from 1000 RPM in fifth if I want... too bad I had to go all the way back to a mechanical distributor to get it there. And yes, I do recognize that it's possible there was a problem with my earlier setup that may have contributed to the miss. I am running a "tiny" 55 amp alternator, and the computer and MSD are both wired to a bus bar that is 10 feet (cable-length) from the actual battery. These things put together make the 12V supply rail a little softer than some computers will like. But an automotive control should be robust enough to handle some amount of garbage on the 12V circuit... for now I'm happy to have a smooth running Tiger and we'll see if the winter brings me a different engine computer. Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 14 11:47:10 2009 From: "James E. Pickard" To: Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:34:19 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Cubby door Has anyone made their own burled walnut cubby door for their dash? Does the mismatched wood grain look funky? Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 14 12:47:52 2009 From: Stephen Waybright To: tigers@autox.team.net, "James E. Pickard" Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby door Jim, You might recall I have a cubby door (and it's great to have), but of course it was part of an all-new dash so there was no mismatch. I would not try to use a mis-matched wood since it really bothers me that my Monolita wood-rim steering wheel is a different color wood than the dash. If I were trying to add a cubby door to an existing dash, I'd go with something neutral that compliments the existing dash. Maybe cover with black vinyl to pick up on the dash pads, and then add one of the chrome Tiger script fender badges on the face of the vinyl covered door. Stephen Waybright www.linkedin.com/in/gswaybright - now in search of a leadership position in high tech hardware business --- On Mon, 9/14/09, James E. Pickard wrote: > From: James E. Pickard > Subject: [Tigers] Cubby door > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 1:34 PM > Has anyone made their own burled > walnut cubby door for their dash? Does the > mismatched wood grain look funky? > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold > 2003 Mini Cooper > Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 14 13:15:05 2009 From: David T Johnson To: tigers@autox.team.net, "James E. Pickard" Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby door To be picky picky correct, the dashes were burled maple not walnut. Several people have made beautiful furniture finish dashes with an optional door. Years ago CAT had a tech tip on making dashes. The guy even made the door with hidden hinges and a touch latch. Except for the seam you couldnt tell. Be careful about using solid wood that may be prone to cracking over the years. That's why Sunbeam used laminated plywood with the maple venier. Dave --- On Mon, 9/14/09, James E. Pickard wrote: From: James E. Pickard Subject: [Tigers] Cubby door To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 5:34 PM Has anyone made their own burled walnut cubby door for their dash? Does the mismatched wood grain look funky? Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA You are subscribed as djoh797014@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 14 16:14:35 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Clyde McLaughlin Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:54:49 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Recognition Clyde, I was a member of Shelby American Automobile Club (SAAC) for a while. Picture included, but only Clyde will get it per List text only rules. This was the car enthusiast organization, not the "Watch the Auctions" crowd, and they loved the cars. I guess that an offer of $500,000 just might tempt me, however. Shelby doesn't like them, as they don't pay him to honor his cars! The purpose of this note is to recognize those owners who do care for their cars. Carroll signed my firewall at a Woodley Park British Car Day, and without any monetary consideration or donation. I should have asked Jay Leno for his, but he offered a tour of his collection, which was great. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Clyde McLaughlin wrote: > Hi Listers, having noted some varying opinions about Ole Carroll, yes he > sure new how to make money, few did in the fifties and sixties.. They used to > say the way to a small forture in racing was to start with a big one..But now > with Nascar I guess that's not all true..anyway, I used to have an early > GT350 in the 70's when the shelby club first started, most members were do it > yourselfers and the car were very personalized, if you went to a show you > didn't see 50 cars all alike, and you did not need tobe a millionaire to > partake in club activeties, having recently bought my third Tiger I rejoined > the club at a great price and then noted they did away with the news letter > and magizine, and the price to attend the last nation meet was to much for > me, I did not renew my membership, enough said...but the reason for this > note was to mention an exibit at the Saratoga Auto Museum in NY, that > featured Shelby, the Ford Connection, this was written up in Autoweek, jan > 31, 2005...Tiger's were given mention and my car when owned by George Izett > was on display..So I guess we can all decide as has been mentioned > before...but I must say the Tiger group seems to be much more connected to > their cars than the newer Cobra/Shelby owners who are all about value, > investment etc. I hope the value holds, Clyde MK1A _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 14 16:29:59 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:08:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] My newest favorite car website (off topic) Ron has made a good point about Kenneth Howes. You can read more about the Tiger History on TigersUnited.com in the "History" link. There is a "Roots of Rootes" section at: http://www.tigersunited.com/history/roots.asp and the "Howes" section is on Page 4 of this article. The entire article is an excerpt from "The Supreme Sunbeam (AU). Good read and good history. More at http://www.sunbeam.org.au/ Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Ron Fraser wrote: > You forgot Kenneth Howes designed the Alpine, who once worked for Raymond > Loewry. > > Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 01:32:21 2009 From: Gary To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Rear Sway Bar Does anyone out there run a rear sway bar? Details? Likes/dislikes? If so, what size front sway bar do you run with it? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 10:17:26 2009 From: John Crawley To: LIST TIGER Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:55:43 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cubby door Hi Jim: I tried and the wood just did not look right so I covered it with black leather, added a chrome edge suround and TIGER script badge on the front . . . it looks not bad. If you want a picture of it send me an e-mail at: alittlemoreink@hotmail.com and I will reply. Godspeed in Top-down motoring Jc > From: tigers-request@autox.team.net > Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 364 > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:00:03 -0600 > > Send Tigers mailing list submissions to > tigers@autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tigers-request@autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tigers-owner@autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Cubby door (James E. Pickard) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:34:19 -0500 > From: "James E. Pickard" > Subject: [Tigers] Cubby door > To: > Message-ID: <1C84F404B0CD4F6B971395BAFCF981B5@JEPHome> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Has anyone made their own burled walnut cubby door for their dash? Does the > mismatched wood grain look funky? > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold > 2003 Mini Cooper > Lafayette, LA > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Tigers mailing list > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > End of Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 364 > ************************************** _________________________________________________________________ New: Messenger sign-in on the MSN homepage http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677403 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 12:06:07 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Gary Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:47:57 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear Sway Bar Gary, I have the stock Panhard Rod, plus the LAT 6 "Bolt-on" rear axle locater. My comments are that the stock Panhard rod is on the wrong side of the axle, and should be mounted to the left side of the frame, as on the MkII. The LAT-6 is far superior to the weld-on LAT-5. I've seen too many LAT-5's that have ripped the frame where welded, and/or are bent to boot. The LAT-6 is better designed to stop "wheel hop" (axle tramp). See LAT options index page: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_service/lat.asp Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Gary wrote: > Does anyone out there run a rear sway bar? Details? Likes/dislikes? If so, > what size front sway bar do you run with it? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 13:02:53 2009 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: maliburevue@yahoo.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:42:01 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear Sway Bar When I first started autocrossing my car, I ran the 7/8" solid front bar with an aftermarket Addco rear bar of undetermined diameter. The location hardware on the bar was sketchy and not well located, but even so the increase in rear roll stiffness was significant. Even with the rear Konis at full soft, the car had too much oversteer and the experiment with the rear bar ended quickly. Ultimately, I fell into the camp of wanting as much compliance as possible in the rear suspension, basically just trailing along behind the front, and doing my suspension tuning with just the front end, with rear shock adjustment at the margin. Mike In a message dated 9/15/2009 12:32:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, maliburevue@yahoo.com writes: Does anyone out there run a rear sway bar? Details? Likes/dislikes? If so, what size front sway bar do you run with it? You are subscribed as mwood24020@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 00:30:46 2009 From: Steve Sage To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:03:40 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Hood and Door Adjustment Questions Thanks to ideas and help from a couple of list members, I was able to figure out a way to adjust the Tiger's hood so it was open at the back, letting lots of hot air out during 3000 miles of driving this summer, a lot of it in the Arizona and California deserts in 100 degree + weather. It really did help noticeably with water temperature and my Tiger A/C worked much better than before that way.. Now it's starting to get a bit cooler and I'm going to revert the hood back to normal so it can close all the way, as it just looks better that way. I'm always nervous about adjusting the hood to the factory, all the way closed position as, if a mistake is made, the hood may never open again (An exaggeration I know, but not far off, right?). When I adjusted the hood to stay open as described above, this wasn't an issue because if I adjusted things wrong, there was plenty of room to reach in there with a long screwdriver and wiggle things around until it opened. I've read on the list about attaching some kind of emergency pull wire, etc, but can't quite figure what I would attach that to, and where I would run it to.I think the issue is that if the hood piece gets wedged into the receiver (over the heater core), you need to pull that little lever (at the front of the plate that sits over the heater core) all the way forward to get the hood to pop part way, at which point wiggling the hood usually gets it open, ready for another try at adjusting things. Could someone let me know the details of that "emergency release" wire and how to set it up? Thanks. Steve Sage 1966 MK1A E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13270 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 07:49:17 2009 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:27:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Now They tell Me! RE: ePay Item 250494733606 All, I was perusing ePay and came across this replacement item. I have searched both my cars high and low but alas, but could not figure out where the devil it fits. Could someone please let me know the correct Rootes OEM installation and wiring procedures for the Tiger, I would like to be as concours correct as possible. Is this one of those typical Lucas parts that don't really function? If so, will replacing it with this aftermarket (i.e. working) part cause instabilities? Bugz :>) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 08:35:56 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Rense, Mark \(GE Indust, ConsInd\)" , Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:11:27 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now They tell Me! The original ones have a yellow stripe on the side. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rense, > Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) > Sent: September 16, 2009 7:27 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Now They tell Me! > > RE: ePay Item 250494733606 > > All, > I was perusing ePay and came across this replacement item. I > have searched both my cars high and low but alas, but could > not figure out where the devil it fits. Could someone please > let me know the correct Rootes OEM installation and wiring > procedures for the Tiger, I would like to be as concours > correct as possible. Is this one of those typical Lucas parts > that don't really function? If so, will replacing it with > this aftermarket (i.e. working) part cause instabilities? > > Bugz > > :>) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as theo.smit@dynastream.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 10:09:28 2009 From: Carmods@aol.com To: mark.rense@ge.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:37:05 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now They tell Me! In a message dated 9/16/2009 9:49:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark.rense@ge.com writes: 250494733606 Oxygen Sensor Hi Bugz That part is required when driving Tigers in California. It is installed in the driver's nose so he can tell if he is in conformance to state laws. John _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 10:37:05 2009 From: CALUMETAIR@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:50:51 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Restart after hiatus IDEAS? I'll make it as short as possible. I lost my job and halted my resto 13 yrs ago. I'm ready to resume and feel overwhelmed. I have a 1964, all original but basket cased Tiger. The body has been restored and painted, the trunk internals have been replaced. I purchased a 1984(?) 5.0 motor (carbed model), new interior parts, new dash, new top. This is how it sits now. I figured to replace brake and fuel lines and outfit engine bay before installing the 302. I would like to add a little lope to the 302 via B303 or other cam (showing my age?)(61 YO). I have purchased the CATO recommended Edelbrock intake and carb and LAT headers. I have the LAT headers metallized (aluminum) and planned to heat wrap them. I should probably rejoin CATO again if they still exist? I have read about new suspension pins in the past and would like to know if it would be wise to install them now? or do I even need them? I have the stock steel wheels and poor tires. I plan to street drive my Tiger as often as possible as a second car. I wouldn't mind winding around a race track again and don't care much about ride. I'd prefer handling over comfort, but not getting silly. Any suggestions are appreciated. Tom Milton, 1964 B382000257 Restoration in progress (stalled) Lansing, Illinois _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 11:20:45 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:01:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Restart after hiatus IDEAS? Tom Putting a Tiger back together can be overwhelming but think of it as therapy and have fun doing the work. The prize at the end is worth it. Your 302 might have the little lope you want in stock form with the parts you are adding. I personally do not like heat wrap; I believe it is a fire waiting to happen. Its fine on an open engine bay car but in a close engine bay it's a fire just waiting. A couple Tiger owners can attest to that. Ceramic coatings are the way to go. Since you are already concerned about the pins; change them now. Also check the rear spring perches for cracks in the sheet metal in that area. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CALUMETAIR@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:51 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Restart after hiatus IDEAS? I'll make it as short as possible. I lost my job and halted my resto 13 yrs ago. I'm ready to resume and feel overwhelmed. I have a 1964, all original but basket cased Tiger. The body has been restored and painted, the trunk internals have been replaced. I purchased a 1984(?) 5.0 motor (carbed model), new interior parts, new dash, new top. This is how it sits now. I figured to replace brake and fuel lines and outfit engine bay before installing the 302. I would like to add a little lope to the 302 via B303 or other cam (showing my age?)(61 YO). I have purchased the CATO recommended Edelbrock intake and carb and LAT headers. I have the LAT headers metallized (aluminum) and planned to heat wrap them. I should probably rejoin CATO again if they still exist? I have read about new suspension pins in the past and would like to know if it would be wise to install them now? or do I even need them? I have the stock steel wheels and poor tires. I plan to street drive my Tiger as often as possible as a second car. I wouldn't mind winding around a race track again and don't care much about ride. I'd prefer handling over comfort, but not getting silly. Any suggestions are appreciated. Tom Milton, 1964 B382000257 Restoration in progress (stalled) Lansing, Illinois You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.99/2372 - Release Date: 09/16/09 05:51:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 12:20:09 2009 From: "Robin Young" To: , Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:39:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Restart after hiatus IDEAS? I'll make it as short as possible. I lost my job and halted my resto 13 yrs ago. I'm ready to resume and feel overwhelmed. Any suggestions are appreciated. Tom Milton, 1964 B382000257 Tom, Welcome back to Tigering. You stopped work about the time the coating inside the fuel tanks failed. If yours were not recoated, it might be best to address this now. The front cross member should be reinforced especially if it is already off the car. The steering mod you referred to is Dales design and makes driving nicer and reduces stress on the fulcrum pins. Robin B9471769 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 12:21:27 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:50:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Restart after hiatus IDEAS? Tom, The good news is that it sounds like you are at the re-assembly stage. A large part of the "dirty work" seems to have been completed. Yes, the Tiger has a history (at least for some) of having failure with suspension parts. It would be wise to replace the components. There are article about reinforcing the areas as well. That would be a decision you would have to make on your own. I'd say start with the suspension and get it rolling. Move to the drivetrain, then finish the exterior trimmings and the interior. You might ask those with more experience about order of assembly. Some things that can seem logically out of order might be better accomplish at the "before you get to the ...." stage. All the best. (Another) Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:50 AM Subject: [Tigers] Restart after hiatus IDEAS? > I'll make it as short as possible. I lost my job and halted my resto 13 > yrs > ago. I'm ready to resume and feel overwhelmed. > > I have a 1964, all original but basket cased Tiger. The body has been > restored and painted, the trunk internals have been replaced. I purchased > a > 1984(?) 5.0 motor (carbed model), new interior parts, new dash, new top. > This > is how it sits now. > > I figured to replace brake and fuel lines and outfit engine bay before > installing the 302. I would like to add a little lope to the 302 via B303 > or > other cam (showing my age?)(61 YO). > > I have purchased the CATO recommended Edelbrock intake and carb and LAT > headers. I have the LAT headers metallized (aluminum) and planned to heat > wrap > them. I should probably rejoin CATO again if they still exist? > > I have read about new suspension pins in the past and would like to know > if > it would be wise to install them now? or do I even need them? I have the > stock steel wheels and poor tires. > > I plan to street drive my Tiger as often as possible as a second car. I > wouldn't mind winding around a race track again and don't care much about > ride. I'd prefer handling over comfort, but not getting silly. > > Any suggestions are appreciated. > > Tom Milton, 1964 B382000257 > Restoration in progress (stalled) > Lansing, Illinois > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as atwittsend@verizon.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.101/2376 - Release Date: 09/16/09 11:21:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 12:21:50 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:53:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Restart after hiatus IDEAS? Tom, The good news is that it sounds like you are at the re-assembly stage. A large part of the "dirty work" seems to have been completed. Yes, the Tiger has a history (at least for some) of having failure with suspension parts. It would be wise to replace the components. There are article about reinforcing the areas as well. That would be a decision you would have to make on your own. I'd say start with the suspension and get it rolling. Move to the drivetrain, then finish the exterior trimmings and the interior. You might ask those with more experience about order of assembly. Some things that can seem logically out of order might be better accomplish at the "before you get to the ...." stage. All the best. (Another) Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 12:56:12 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Steve Sage , Tiger's Den Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:15:51 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hood and Door Adjustment Questions Steve S., Had a similar problem re-installing the hood. Ran a flexible wire tied around the "J" hook ("little lever") to come out the grill entry, until is was properly adjusted. Could be laying under the front, if you're not driving it. The "wire" should be a steel core (twisted wire) with a convenient handle. Like a choke knob/cable. This will work just fine, and can be removed when the adjustment if finished. If you prefer to keep the emergency pull, then you can mount the handle and cable routing. This could require pulling the release lever under the dash at the same time, depending on it's adjustment. If so, find a non-gorilla friend. Seems many Tiger owners are 250 lbs, and 6'9" tall. (9-) BTW: There are also shim stacks at the front hinge that can be adjusted for front hood/body alignment with shims. Necessary with thicker LAT hood. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Sage wrote: > Thanks to ideas and help from a couple of list members, I was able to > figure out a way to adjust the Tiger's hood so it was open at the > back, letting lots of hot air out during 3000 miles of driving this > summer, a lot of it in the Arizona and California deserts in 100 > degree + weather. It really did help noticeably with water temperature > and my Tiger A/C worked much better than before that way.. > > Now it's starting to get a bit cooler and I'm going to revert the hood > back to normal so it can close all the way, as it just looks better > that way. I'm always nervous about adjusting the hood to the factory, > all the way closed position as, if a mistake is made, the hood may > never open again (An exaggeration I know, but not far off, right?). > When I adjusted the hood to stay open as described above, this wasn't > an issue because if I adjusted things wrong, there was plenty of room > to reach in there with a long screwdriver and wiggle things around > until it opened. > > I've read on the list about attaching some kind of emergency pull > wire, etc, but can't quite figure what I would attach that to, and > where I would run it to.I think the issue is that if the hood piece > gets wedged into the receiver (over the heater core), you need to pull > that little lever (at the front of the plate that sits over the heater > core) all the way forward to get the hood to pop part way, at which > point wiggling the hood usually gets it open, ready for another try at > adjusting things. > > Could someone let me know the details of that "emergency release" wire > and how to set it up? > > Thanks. > > Steve Sage > 1966 MK1A _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 13:20:14 2009 From: PhastPhill@aol.com To: CALUMETAIR@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:29:52 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Restart after hiatus IDEAS? _http://classicmotorsports.net/_ (http://classicmotorsports.net/) Has a series of articles on a complete restoration of a Tiger .Good source of info for contacts as well. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 13:22:55 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:56:05 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now They tell Me! Mark, I am not positive if your "smiley" is a "happy face" : >) , or a wink ; >). The item is an oxygen sensor, and of course was not part of any Tiger or Alpine - - - except MINE ! It is part of my multi LED air-fuel ratio under-dash meter. It comes with a weld-on bung and a sensor, and is very sensitive to changes. Good for monitoring , and "tuning in" the jets under load. Here is one on EBay with a dial indicator: 200383321471 for $240 and here is the Edelbrock kind I have: (under dash LED display) #350-6593 $136 http://www.jegs.com/p/Edelbrock/Edelbrock-Air-Fuel-Ratio-Monitor/745163/10002/-1 Here is one from Holley: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HLY-534-51/?image=large $162 with limited (3) LED's Lots of in-dash gauge units with needles - $$$$$$$$ ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) wrote: > RE: ePay Item 250494733606 > > All, > I was perusing ePay and came across this replacement item. I have > searched both my cars high and low but alas, but could not figure out > where the devil it fits. Could someone please let me know the correct > Rootes OEM installation and wiring procedures for the Tiger, I would > like to be as concours correct as possible. Is this one of those typical > Lucas parts that don't really function? If so, will replacing it with > this aftermarket (i.e. working) part cause instabilities? > > Bugz > > :>) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 13:51:00 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: PhastPhill@aol.com, CALUMETAIR@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:28:32 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Restart after hiatus IDEAS? A few issues back Classic Motorsport also did an article on getting starting and progressing through an assembly/restoration (non Tiger). What I came away with was the idea of picking small jobs to accomplish rather than looking at the complete job and being overwhelmed. And as another lister mentioned, going in the correct order is important. I would think that no matter what you run into some lister will have dealt with it before. Mark L In a message dated 9/16/2009 3:20:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, PhastPhill@aol.com writes: _http://classicmotorsports.net/_ (http://classicmotorsports.net/) Has a series of articles on a complete restoration of a Tiger .Good source of info for contacts as well. You are subscribed as coolvt@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 14:19:14 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:52:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now They tell Me! >>> It is part of my multi LED air-fuel ratio under-dash meter. Here is one >>> ... for $240, ... $136, ... $162<<< Or..., for those who "Love the smell of rosin flux in the morning" there are a number of web sites where you can build your own. I'm guessing for about $50. As Steve said it is basically a bung welded in to the exhaust, and a generic O2 sensor. The sites illustrate the few components needs to amplify the signal and trigger an array of LED's. Like everything in my life it is something I'm going to build - some day. I don't think Heath Kit as we knew it as kids is still around. This seems like something they would have sold. I wouldn't doubt today someone also has designed an adapter (USB or Serial 9 pin) and a free program to read the O2 sensor output on your laptop with the same results as the LEDs. For sure there are programs that read to the laptop like an OBD scanner from the cars computer. But here, - with a carburetor, things would be different just to read the O2 sensor. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 15:19:39 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: Thomas Witt , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now They tell Me! Wideband O2 kits are around on the web, but the pre-fabbed ones not that bad of a price anymore. This place has been around for years - http://wbo2.com/ The signal conditioning for WBO2 is complex (look at the schematics for the wbo2.com prods, they should still be around on the site) A narrow band 02 is less useful since it's really is designed to tell you if it's at 14.7:1. They are much simpler to interface to but much less useful from data logging and tuning. If the schematic for the sensor looks simple it's not likely very accurate other then for relative measurements IMO. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Thomas Witt To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:52:24 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now They tell Me! >>> It is part of my multi LED air-fuel ratio under-dash meter. Here is one ... for $240, ... $136, ... $162<<< Or..., for those who "Love the smell of rosin flux in the morning" there are a number of web sites where you can build your own. I'm guessing for about $50. As Steve said it is basically a bung welded in to the exhaust, and a generic O2 sensor. The sites illustrate the few components needs to amplify the signal and trigger an array of LED's. Like everything in my life it is something I'm going to build - some day. I don't think Heath Kit as we knew it as kids is still around. This seems like something they would have sold. I wouldn't doubt today someone also has designed an adapter (USB or Serial 9 pin) and a free program to read the O2 sensor output on your laptop with the same results as the LEDs. For sure there are programs that read to the laptop like an OBD scanner from the cars computer. But here, - with a carburetor, things would be different just to read the O2 sensor. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 15:49:19 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Sandy Ganz" , "Thomas Witt" Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:28:28 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now They tell Me! I have the PLX setup (SM-AFR + DM-5 gauge) and it works well. As Sandy says, you want wideband for tuning. Narrowband lambda sensors are only good in a feedback system where the computer tries to drive the system to 14.7:1 Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz > Sent: September 16, 2009 3:02 PM > To: Thomas Witt; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now They tell Me! > > Wideband O2 kits are around on the web, but the pre-fabbed > ones not that bad of a price anymore. This place has been > around for years - > > http://wbo2.com/ > The signal conditioning for WBO2 is complex (look at the > schematics for the wbo2.com prods, they should still be > around on the site) A narrow band 02 is less useful since > it's really is designed to tell you if it's at 14.7:1. They > are much simpler to interface to but much less useful from > data logging and tuning. If the schematic for the sensor > looks simple it's not likely very accurate other then for > relative measurements IMO. > > Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 17:04:28 2009 From: "Will Seay" To: "Smit, Theo" , "Sandy Ganz" Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:39:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now They tell Me! I'm using the PLX SM-AFR too. I only plan to use it for tuning so I haven't bought the matching gauge. The SM-AFR has both digital and analog outputs so I've connected the analog output to an old volt meter for monitoring purposes. On the 5V scale you can get indications of AFR from 10 to 20. Also bought a kit that would interface the output to the parallel port of a computer. Had to revive my old steam-powered laptop so I would have a parallel port to connect it to. Plan to use that with associated software package to log AFR while driving with both eyes on the road. - Will B382001570 ____________________________ Will Seay w_seay@embarqmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Sandy Ganz" ; "Thomas Witt" ; Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now They tell Me! I have the PLX setup (SM-AFR + DM-5 gauge) and it works well. As Sandy says, you want wideband for tuning. Narrowband lambda sensors are only good in a feedback system where the computer tries to drive the system to 14.7:1 Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz > Sent: September 16, 2009 3:02 PM > To: Thomas Witt; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now They tell Me! > > Wideband O2 kits are around on the web, but the pre-fabbed > ones not that bad of a price anymore. This place has been > around for years - > > http://wbo2.com/ > The signal conditioning for WBO2 is complex (look at the > schematics for the wbo2.com prods, they should still be > around on the site) A narrow band 02 is less useful since > it's really is designed to tell you if it's at 14.7:1. They > are much simpler to interface to but much less useful from > data logging and tuning. If the schematic for the sensor > looks simple it's not likely very accurate other then for > relative measurements IMO. > > Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 20:18:48 2009 From: "Joe Brown" To: Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:00:15 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Shocks Has anybody bought shocks lately? I have found all kinds of emails in the archives talking about different part numbers for Gabriel and other brands but none of them seem to be current part numbers. I can't really justify a set of Spax or Koni right now. Are the standard (cheap) shocks from Sunbeam Specialties okay? Does anybody know about the Edlebrocks sold by CAT? Does anybody have any current part numbers for decent/affordable shocks? Thanks, Joe Brown Arlington, TX B382000217 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 06:47:00 2009 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:19:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now They tell Me! Thanks John. As a former resident of the Left Coast I can attest to the government's zeal in protecting us from ourselves. I am curious however, would not the sensor be more effective placed up one's "exhaust port"? Bugz ________________________________ From: Carmods@aol.com [mailto:Carmods@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:37 AM To: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd); tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now They tell Me! In a message dated 9/16/2009 9:49:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark.rense@ge.com writes: 250494733606 Oxygen Sensor Hi Bugz That part is required when driving Tigers in California. It is installed in the driver's nose so he can tell if he is in conformance to state laws. John _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 08:47:26 2009 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: "'Rense, Mark \(GE Indust, ConsInd\)'" , Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:29:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now They tell Me! Perhaps the seller's? A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rense, > Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:19 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now They tell Me! > > Thanks John. As a former resident of the Left Coast I can > attest to the government's zeal in protecting us from > ourselves. I am curious however, would not the sensor be more > effective placed up one's "exhaust port"? > > Bugz > > ________________________________ > > From: Carmods@aol.com [mailto:Carmods@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:37 AM > To: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd); tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now They tell Me! > > > In a message dated 9/16/2009 9:49:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight > Time, mark.rense@ge.com writes: > > 250494733606 Oxygen Sensor > > > Hi Bugz > > That part is required when driving Tigers in California. It > is installed in the driver's nose so he can tell if he is in > conformance to state laws. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as v8tracker@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 09:36:15 2009 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:11:48 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Shocks Hello, The shocks I used on my new front end are the Sunbeam Specialties / Monroe shocks. Had Spax all around but one was totally shot in front. Ran out of money, so bought the "stock spec." SS units. Works great. BTW: A brand new front end (A-arms done by Doug Jennings, with all X-menber mods, tie rod ends, bushings, pins etc.) is a wonderful thing. Now I know what a new Tiger felt like and it is really, really, nice ! Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 08:52:39 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:31:59 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] (Non-Tiger) Fuel pressure falls off with temp? All, I try not to bomb the list with Non Tiger stuff, but we are a bit desperate, and you all can be so helpful.... I guess it could apply to a Tiger...the dynamics of the system aren't any different that I can think of. ...and we really need some good advice... Here is the situation, my good friend and I have built an early 70's full size ford truck 4x4...The fuel pressure falls off slowly from 6.5 psi on the gauge to about 3 or so....and eventually even lower until it tries to die as the engine warms up...over the course of a few miles driving or several minutes of engine at full operating temp. Here is what we have tried: 1. considered a bad fuel pump, replaced it with new and it didn't change 2. considered a bad regulator, replaced it with a brand new one from summit, didn't change 3. considered a bad gauge, replaced it with no change 4 considered a problem with venting in the tank or not enough vent...checked the cap and vent line and its fine, no change 5. considered vapor lock....if this is true, what causes it and how do you fix it? the fuel line is routed in nearly the exact same format as the factory...cant imagine what would cause it.... 6. re-routed the fuel system with soft line to by pass regulator and remove line from near engine...no chance in the problem Any ideas would be appreciated....we are getting desperate....here is how its setup in case it matters: Engine and such: Ford 351 Windsor - roller conversion 9.3:1 compression, forged pistons Edelbrock aluminum heads comp cam (521/536 lift, 230-ish duration) Edelbrock 650cfm Thunder AVS carb Edelbrock Performer RPM intake Shorty headers with 2-1/2 mandrel bent exhaust Fuel system specifics: Stock tank Stock 3/8-inch lines from tank to pump Summit Mechanical 'high volume' fuel pump - 110gph, 8 psi -6 AN braided hose from pump to regulator Adjustable regulator - set at 6.5psi -6 AN braided hose from regulator to filter In-line fuel filter right at carburetor Full tank of 91 octane fuel Thanks Friends! Cullen _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 09:19:57 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Cullen McCann" , Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:01:32 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (Non-Tiger) Fuel pressure falls off with temp? The only times I've experienced this it's involved the fuel filter getting plugged with junk. It starts OK, you can run it for a few minutes, then the filter element clogs. You stop running the engine, everything settles to the bottom of the filter, and 10 minutes later you can try again... For a few minutes. Check the fuel filter (cut it open if necessary) to see if there's anything in there. Could be gas tank liner, silicone, Teflon tape, rust... You name it. As a first shot, just replace the filter and see if the problem takes longer to manifest itself. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann > Sent: September 18, 2009 8:32 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] (Non-Tiger) Fuel pressure falls off with temp? > > All, > > I try not to bomb the list with Non Tiger stuff, but we are a > bit desperate, and you all can be so helpful.... I guess it > could apply to a Tiger...the dynamics of the system aren't > any different that I can think of. ...and we really need some > good advice... > > Here is the situation, my good friend and I have built an > early 70's full size ford truck 4x4...The fuel pressure falls > off slowly from 6.5 psi on the gauge to about 3 or so....and > eventually even lower until it tries to die as the engine > warms up...over the course of a few miles driving or several > minutes of engine at full operating temp. > > Here is what we have tried: _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 09:36:12 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: "Smit, Theo" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:09:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (Non-Tiger) Fuel pressure falls off with temp? Good suggestion...thanks Theo...honestly starting with the obvious first...I cant say we have really ruled that out yet...will do. The only times I've experienced this it's involved the fuel filter getting plugged with junk. It starts OK, you can run it for a few minutes, then the filter element clogs. You stop running the engine, everything settles to the bottom of the filter, and 10 minutes later you can try again... For a few minutes. Check the fuel filter (cut it open if necessary) to see if there's anything in there. Could be gas tank liner, silicone, Teflon tape, rust... You name it. As a first shot, just replace the filter and see if the problem takes longer to manifest itself. Cheers, Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 09:44:00 2009 From: stubrennan@comcast.net To: Cullen McCann Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:23:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] (Non-Tiger) Fuel pressure falls off with temp? A couple thoughts... Are you sure the fuel cap is ok?B Have you run itB with the cap off? The pump has all those wonderful specs, but at what RPM?B Do the revs slowly drop as it warms up?B If you rev it does the pressure come back up? Mechanical pump, right?B Could there be a dimensional issue so that it isn't beingB properly driven? Stu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 09:44:46 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: "stubrennan@comcast.net" Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:27:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (Non-Tiger) Fuel pressure falls off with temp? Good points Stub&.We checked to make sure the cap was properly ventedb&although nothing changed in that area during the installb&but we havent tried running it without the cap compeletlyb&we'll try that. Specs on the pump are a good idea to checkb&the pressure does not come back with RPM, it stays where it is or continues to fall. thatbs an ideab&I will check the dims on the pumpb&.its cam accentric ( spell check) drivenb&can't think of any complications thereb&but you knowb&..you have me thinking nowb& Thank you for the feedback! b&b&..I like how your thinkingb&. To: Cullen McCann Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] (Non-Tiger) Fuel pressure falls off with temp? A couple thoughts... Are you sure the fuel cap is ok? Have you run it with the cap off? The pump has all those wonderful specs, but at what RPM? Do the revs slowly drop as it warms up? If you rev it does the pressure come back up? Mechanical pump, right? Could there be a dimensional issue so that it isn't being properly driven? Stu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 10:15:05 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:51:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (Non-Tiger) Fuel pressure falls off with temp? weird, something is funky with my punctuation, or email formatting. Sorry about that. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 12:58:17 2009 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: "'Cullen McCann'" , Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:41:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (Non-Tiger) Fuel pressure falls off with temp? Cullen, Is the problem really related directly to engine temperature or does it act the same way when restarting a warm engine? I've had a situation with a piece of the tank coating that was partially attached. It would get sucked down and cover the tank outlet, then float up after the engine was shut off and the suction was gone, so everything was OK again. Could also be something in the line that gets sucked in tighter and then eases back when the engine is shut off. If you have bypassed the regulator, it would seem that the pump would produce the full 8psi and you would be even less likely to see a drop in pressure. That really makes it sound to me like a blockage of some sort. On the other hand, have you examined the fuel line from the tank forward closely. Any kinks, cracks or barely loose fittings? Since the pump is pulling to the engine rather than pushing from the tank, is there any chance of outside air being sucked into the line through an opening that is too small to show a visible leak when the engine is not running? This is one of those problems where everyone will want to know the eventual solution. Good luck, A. C. Tynes > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann > Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 9:32 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] (Non-Tiger) Fuel pressure falls off with temp? > > All, > > I try not to bomb the list with Non Tiger stuff, but we are a > bit desperate, and you all can be so helpful.... I guess it > could apply to a Tiger...the dynamics of the system aren't > any different that I can think of. ...and we really need some > good advice... > > Here is the situation, my good friend and I have built an > early 70's full size ford truck 4x4...The fuel pressure falls > off slowly from 6.5 psi on the gauge to about 3 or so....and > eventually even lower until it tries to die as the engine > warms up...over the course of a few miles driving or several > minutes of engine at full operating temp. > > Here is what we have tried: > > 1. considered a bad fuel pump, replaced it with new and it > didn't change 2. considered a bad regulator, replaced it with > a brand new one from summit, didn't change 3. considered a > bad gauge, replaced it with no change > 4 considered a problem with venting in the tank or not enough > vent...checked the cap and vent line and its fine, no change > 5. considered vapor lock....if this is true, what causes it > and how do you fix it? the fuel line is routed in nearly the > exact same format as the factory...cant imagine what would > cause it.... > 6. re-routed the fuel system with soft line to by pass > regulator and remove line from near engine...no chance in the problem > > Any ideas would be appreciated....we are getting > desperate....here is how its setup in case it matters: > > Engine and such: > Ford 351 Windsor - roller conversion > 9.3:1 compression, forged pistons > Edelbrock aluminum heads > comp cam (521/536 lift, 230-ish duration) Edelbrock 650cfm > Thunder AVS carb Edelbrock Performer RPM intake Shorty > headers with 2-1/2 mandrel bent exhaust > > Fuel system specifics: > Stock tank > Stock 3/8-inch lines from tank to pump > Summit Mechanical 'high volume' fuel pump - 110gph, 8 psi > -6 AN braided hose from pump to regulator Adjustable > regulator - set at 6.5psi > -6 AN braided hose from regulator to filter In-line fuel > filter right at carburetor Full tank of 91 octane fuel > > > Thanks Friends! > > Cullen > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as v8tracker@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 13:14:36 2009 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: Cullen McCann Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:54:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] (Non-Tiger) Fuel pressure falls off with temp? I think Theo is correct! This exact scenario has happened to B9470622 twice. The first time was after it sat for years before I got around to the engine rebuild. I knew the tanks were real bad (there was rust looking stuff clogging th filter). My plan was to just keep changing cheap filters until the whole system got clean. DUMB idea. It worked for a few weeks but the interval between filter changes got shorter and shorter until it died only a couple blocks from home (I still remember the long push home cuz I ran out of filters!). Change your filter and if it happens again, pull the tank and have it boiled and coated! The second time was a couple years later on the way to Tigers United. I was sure it was more gunk coming from the tank and even found a local shop that did a great job flushing my lines on their lift. Ten miles later it stopped again. I finally decided to check the filter. BINGO, it was full of black junk, I figure I must have gotten a bad tank of gas. Removed the filter at a roadside rest stop and it ran perfect for the rest on the trip. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Cullen McCann To: Theo Smit , tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] (Non-Tiger) Fuel pressure falls off with temp? Good suggestion...thanks Theo...honestly starting with the obvious first...I cant say we have really ruled that out yet...will do. The only times I've experienced this it's involved the fuel filter getting plugged with junk. It starts OK, you can run it for a few minutes, then the filter element clogs. You stop running the engine, everything settles to the bottom of the filter, and 10 minutes later you can try again... For a few minutes. Check the fuel filter (cut it open if necessary) to see if there's anything in there. Could be gas tank liner, silicone, Teflon tape, rust... You name it. As a first shot, just replace the filter and see if the problem takes longer to manifest itself. Cheers, Theo Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 13:28:28 2009 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:14:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] (Non-Tiger) Fuel pressure falls off with temp? I think Theo is correct! This exact scenario has happened to B9470622 twice. The first time was after it sat for years before I got around to the engine rebuild. I knew the tanks were real bad (there was rust looking stuff clogging th filter). My plan was to just keep changing cheap filters until the whole system got clean. DUMB idea. It worked for a few weeks but the interval between filter changes got shorter and shorter until it died only a couple blocks from home (I still remember the long push home cuz I ran out of filters!). Change your filter and if it happens again, pull the tank and have it boiled and coated! The second time was a couple years later on the way to Tigers United. I was sure it was more gunk coming from the tank and even found a local shop that did a great job flushing my lines on their lift. Ten miles later it stopped again. I finally decided to check the filter. BINGO, it was full of black junk, I figure I must have gotten a bad tank of gas. Removed the filter at a roadside rest stop and it ran perfect for the rest on the trip. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Cullen McCann To: Theo Smit , tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] (Non-Tiger) Fuel pressure falls off with temp? Good suggestion...thanks Theo...honestly starting with the obvious first...I cant say we have really ruled that out yet...will do. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 13:43:25 2009 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net, Cullen McCann Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:24:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (Non-Tiger) Fuel pressure falls off with temp? This is probably a long shot, but I would check the gas. If you get water in it, it might be causing the problem by plugging up the filter. Some carb floats will absorb water as well. Change the filter and the gas together, so you don't contaminate a new filter. Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 14:11:16 2009 From: "Bob Hokanson" To: "Tigers" Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:42:51 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shocks This Spring I replaced my old Koni (ancient) rear shocks with KYB AGX 743019 adjustable units. Reasonable price and work great. Fronts are QA1 coilovers so that won't help you much. Bob H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Brown" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:00 PM Subject: [Tigers] Shocks > Has anybody bought shocks lately? I have found all kinds of emails in the > archives talking about different part numbers for Gabriel and other brands > but none of them seem to be current part numbers. I can't really justify > a > set of Spax or Koni right now. > > Are the standard (cheap) shocks from Sunbeam Specialties okay? > > Does anybody know about the Edlebrocks sold by CAT? > > Does anybody have any current part numbers for decent/affordable shocks? > > > > Thanks, > > Joe Brown > > Arlington, TX > > B382000217 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 14:27:14 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Tod Brown" , , Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:05:08 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (Non-Tiger) Fuel pressure falls off with temp? If the truck had been sitting for a while then I could see that happening... The water and fuel will separate when the vehicle is sitting, with the fuel floating on top. Then when you start driving the fuel and the water slosh together and you'll get slugs of either, until eventually you get enough water in the fuel line to kill the engine... You warm-climate guys might not be able to get it as easily, but "gas line antifreeze", which is basically methanol, will absorb the water in the gas and let you run out the tank of gas without draining it. It will also absorb all the water that might be elsewhere in the system. Some of the "fuel system conditioners" also have enough methanol in it to dry out the fuel lines. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tod Brown > Sent: September 18, 2009 1:25 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net; Cullen McCann > Subject: Re: [Tigers] (Non-Tiger) Fuel pressure falls off with temp? > > This is probably a long shot, but I would check the gas. If > you get water in it, it might be causing the problem by > plugging up the filter. > Some carb floats will absorb water as well. Change the > filter and the gas together, so you don't contaminate a new filter. > > Tod > B382002384LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as theo.smit@dynastream.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 14:41:56 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Cullen McCann'" , Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:14:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (Non-Tiger) Fuel pressure falls off with temp? Cullen I'm not real familiar with the fuel system on the Ford Truck but it is possible there is a filter sock on the tank pickup tube, it might be split or collapsing. Another possibility is that there is something in the tank that is clogging the pickup tube. So Check the tank for contamination of any kind. I had an 83 Escort that would stall too often. I finally dropped the fuel tank and found a large jelly like blob that would cover the pickup tube filter sock and stall the engine. I had to use about a Qt of Lacquer thinner to dissolve the blob. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 10:32 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] (Non-Tiger) Fuel pressure falls off with temp? All, I try not to bomb the list with Non Tiger stuff, but we are a bit desperate, and you all can be so helpful.... I guess it could apply to a Tiger...the dynamics of the system aren't any different that I can think of. ...and we really need some good advice... Here is the situation, my good friend and I have built an early 70's full size ford truck 4x4...The fuel pressure falls off slowly from 6.5 psi on the gauge to about 3 or so....and eventually even lower until it tries to die as the engine warms up...over the course of a few miles driving or several minutes of engine at full operating temp. Here is what we have tried: 1. considered a bad fuel pump, replaced it with new and it didn't change 2. considered a bad regulator, replaced it with a brand new one from summit, didn't change 3. considered a bad gauge, replaced it with no change 4 considered a problem with venting in the tank or not enough vent...checked the cap and vent line and its fine, no change 5. considered vapor lock....if this is true, what causes it and how do you fix it? the fuel line is routed in nearly the exact same format as the factory...cant imagine what would cause it.... 6. re-routed the fuel system with soft line to by pass regulator and remove line from near engine...no chance in the problem Any ideas would be appreciated....we are getting desperate....here is how its setup in case it matters: Engine and such: Ford 351 Windsor - roller conversion 9.3:1 compression, forged pistons Edelbrock aluminum heads comp cam (521/536 lift, 230-ish duration) Edelbrock 650cfm Thunder AVS carb Edelbrock Performer RPM intake Shorty headers with 2-1/2 mandrel bent exhaust Fuel system specifics: Stock tank Stock 3/8-inch lines from tank to pump Summit Mechanical 'high volume' fuel pump - 110gph, 8 psi -6 AN braided hose from pump to regulator Adjustable regulator - set at 6.5psi -6 AN braided hose from regulator to filter In-line fuel filter right at carburetor Full tank of 91 octane fuel Thanks Friends! Cullen You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.105/2380 - Release Date: 09/18/09 07:49:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 14:42:15 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:24:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (Non-Tiger) Fuel pressure falls off with temp? Cullen, If I understand this correct the pressure will drop and the truck stalls (or nearly stalls) even idling once it is warmed up??? Question, did you confirm the carb ran out of fuel? What seems interesting about this is that a cold engine will have the choke on and thus be using more fuel. As it warms up the choke should pull off and less fuel is used. If it was a clogged filter the problem should lessen instead of increase (at least idling) from a cold engine start to warm up. With the engine running at the "near stall" point and simply removing the cap, listen for a "woosh" that would confirm a vacuum. I've had cars that sat (even as short as a week) and then wouldn't start. Daily use would churn the sediment in the filter, but a short sit caused it to solidify. Another characteristic of a "clogg-ing" filter is that the car will run well under normal driving, but upon a prolonged acceleration the power will die off. In that case the filter has sufficient flow under low fuel demand, but can't provided enough fuel under load. If possible try hooking a fuel supply (external tank) directly to the fuel pump and if the problem goes away it is most likely in the lines or the tank. Last thing, is the pump right for the engine? I had a 318 Mopar. Something seemed strange was I was tightening the bolts for my new fuel pump. Sure enough the arm was completely broken off. They gave me another (correct) pump, but I was stuck pulling the front cover to get the broken arm out of the timing chain! Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 14:57:00 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tgrrr@peoplepc.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:27:17 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shocks I would think that if you could measure the Tiger shocks...fully opened and fully closed ...then take these measurements to a cooperative supply house or search on the web...that some choices should pop up. Maybe find the application of these chosen few and pick a vehicle weight that is similar? Not perfect, but something that would be very affordable and would work okay. I think the old CAT notes gave a few interchanges that would work. In a message dated 9/18/2009 4:11:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tgrrr@peoplepc.com writes: This Spring I replaced my old Koni (ancient) rear shocks with KYB AGX 743019 adjustable units. Reasonable price and work great. Fronts are QA1 coilovers so that won't help you much. Bob H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Brown" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:00 PM Subject: [Tigers] Shocks > Has anybody bought shocks lately? I have found all kinds of emails in the > archives talking about different part numbers for Gabriel and other brands > but none of them seem to be current part numbers. I can't really justify > a > set of Spax or Koni right now. > > Are the standard (cheap) shocks from Sunbeam Specialties okay? > > Does anybody know about the Edlebrocks sold by CAT? > > Does anybody have any current part numbers for decent/affordable shocks? > > > > Thanks, > > Joe Brown > > Arlington, TX > > B382000217 You are subscribed as coolvt@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 15:56:00 2009 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: CoolVT@aol.com, tgrrr@peoplepc.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:38:28 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shocks Disclaimer: Dampers are a very personal subject... :-) For me, I'd rather find the extra dollars to buy a quality shock that can be rebuilt/serviced, has quality valving technology, reasonable hysteresis and enough capacity to avoid cavitation and fade. None of the "econo" shocks, including all the Japanese built (Tein, KYB, Tokico etc) type meet my personal criteria. So, for the Tiger, with limited ots (off the shelf) options, it is pretty simple: spend the money and get the Konis. The difference in price is not insignificant, but given their higher quality (not just in terms of tech, but also in terms of build quality and consistency in damping characteristics (you'd be surprised, if you ever saw shock dyno plots for some of the "budget" brands, particularly the adjustables, in terms of the inconsistency of damping force for a given piston speed for the "same" shocks), the decent linearity and effectiveness of the adjuster, their good warranty and the ability to have them serviced, I believe they are the best option for our cars. In a perfect world, it would be great if there was an ots Bilstein for our application, though...mmm, quality monotube for $300/set :-) Mike In a message dated 9/18/2009 1:57:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, CoolVT@aol.com writes: I would think that if you could measure the Tiger shocks...fully opened and fully closed ...then take these measurements to a cooperative supply house or search on the web...that some choices should pop up. Maybe find the application of these chosen few and pick a vehicle weight that is similar? Not perfect, but something that would be very affordable and would work okay. I think the old CAT notes gave a few interchanges that would work. In a message dated 9/18/2009 4:11:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tgrrr@peoplepc.com writes: This Spring I replaced my old Koni (ancient) rear shocks with KYB AGX 743019 adjustable units. Reasonable price and work great. Fronts are QA1 coilovers so that won't help you much. Bob H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Brown" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:00 PM Subject: [Tigers] Shocks > Has anybody bought shocks lately? I have found all kinds of emails in the > archives talking about different part numbers for Gabriel and other brands > but none of them seem to be current part numbers. I can't really justify > a > set of Spax or Koni right now. > > Are the standard (cheap) shocks from Sunbeam Specialties okay? > > Does anybody know about the Edlebrocks sold by CAT? > > Does anybody have any current part numbers for decent/affordable shocks? > > > > Thanks, > > Joe Brown > > Arlington, TX > > B382000217 You are subscribed as coolvt@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as mwood24020@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 16:40:21 2009 From: Stephen Waybright To: tigers@autox.team.net, MWood24020@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shocks I'm with Mike, especially for the Tiger. Get a set of Koni's and you can't go wrong. I also have them on my '02 WRX wagon. Stephen --- On Fri, 9/18/09, MWood24020@aol.com wrote: > From: MWood24020@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shocks > To: CoolVT@aol.com, tgrrr@peoplepc.com, tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Friday, September 18, 2009, 5:38 PM > Disclaimer: Dampers are a very > personal subject... :-) > > > For me, I'd rather find the extra dollars to buy a quality > shock that can > be rebuilt/serviced, has quality valving technology, > reasonable hysteresis > and enough capacity to avoid cavitation and fade. > None of the "econo" > shocks, including all the Japanese built (Tein, KYB, > Tokico etc) type meet my > personal criteria. So, for the Tiger, with limited > ots (off the shelf) > options, it is pretty simple: spend the money and get > the Konis. > > The difference in price is not insignificant, but given > their higher > quality (not just in terms of tech, but also in terms of > build quality and > consistency in damping characteristics (you'd be surprised, > if you ever saw > shock dyno plots for some of the "budget" brands, > particularly the adjustables, > in terms of the inconsistency of damping force for a given > piston speed for > the "same" shocks), the decent linearity and > effectiveness of the > adjuster, their good warranty and the ability to have > them serviced, I believe they > are the best option for our cars. > > In a perfect world, it would be great if there was an ots > Bilstein for our > application, though...mmm, quality monotube for $300/set > :-) > > Mike > > > In a message dated 9/18/2009 1:57:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight > Time, > CoolVT@aol.com > writes: > > I would think that if you could measure the > Tiger shocks...fully opened > and fully closed ...then take these measurements to > a cooperative supply > house or search on the web...that some choices should pop > up. Maybe find > the > application of these chosen few and pick a vehicle weight > that is > similar? > Not perfect, but something that would be very > affordable and would work > okay. I think the old CAT notes gave a few > interchanges that would work. > > > > In a message dated 9/18/2009 4:11:26 P.M. Eastern > Daylight Time, > tgrrr@peoplepc.com > writes: > > This Spring I replaced my old Koni (ancient) rear > shocks with KYB AGX > 743019 > adjustable units. Reasonable price and work great. > Fronts are QA1 > coilovers > so that won't help you much. > > Bob H > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Brown" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:00 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Shocks > > > > Has anybody bought shocks lately? I > have found all kinds of emails in > the > > archives talking about different part > numbers for Gabriel and other > brands > > but none of them seem to be current part > numbers. I can't really > justify > > a > > set of Spax or Koni right now. > > > > Are the standard (cheap) shocks from > Sunbeam Specialties okay? > > > > Does anybody know about the Edlebrocks > sold by CAT? > > > > Does anybody have any current part numbers > for decent/affordable > shocks? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Joe Brown > > > > Arlington, TX > > > > B382000217 > You are subscribed as coolvt@aol.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > You are subscribed as mwood24020@aol.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as gswaybright@yahoo.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 16:56:43 2009 From: Tod Brown To: "Smit, Theo" Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:28:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (Non-Tiger) Fuel pressure falls off with temp? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 17:25:05 2009 From: drmoonstone@aol.com To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, cmccann@lwpb.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:01:02 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (Non-Tiger) Fuel pressure falls off with temp? Had a similar problem with a Ford truck. Turns out that the sintered metal filter was clogging from fine silt like contamination. Turns out some kids had put leaves in the fuel tank. All the symptons were the same. Moonstone -----Original Message----- From: Ron Fraser To: 'Cullen McCann' ; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Sep 18, 2009 1:14 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] (Non-Tiger) Fuel pressure falls off with temp? Cullen I'm not real familiar with the fuel system on the Ford Truck but it is possible there is a filter sock on the tank pickup tube, it might be split or collapsing. Another possibility is that there is something in the tank that is clogging the pickup tube. So Check the tank for contamination of any kind. I had an 83 Escort that would stall too often. I finally dropped the fuel tank and found a large jelly like blob that would cover the pickup tube filter sock and stall the engine. I had to use about a Qt of Lacquer thinner to dissolve the blob. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 10:32 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] (Non-Tiger) Fuel pressure falls off with temp? All, I try not to bomb the list with Non Tiger stuff, but we are a bit desperate, and you all can be so helpful.... I guess it could apply to a Tiger...the dynamics of the system aren't any different that I can think of. ...and we really need some good advice... Here is the situation, my good friend and I have built an early 70's full size ford truck 4x4...The fuel pressure falls off slowly from 6.5 psi on the gauge to about 3 or so....and eventually even lower until it tries to die as the engine warms up...over the course of a few miles driving or several minutes of engine at full operating temp. Here is what we have tried: 1. considered a bad fuel pump, replaced it with new and it didn't change 2. considered a bad regulator, replaced it with a brand new one from summit, didn't change 3. considered a bad gauge, replaced it with no change 4 considered a problem with venting in the tank or not enough vent...checked the cap and vent line and its fine, no change 5. considered vapor lock....if this is true, what causes it and how do you fix it? the fuel line is routed in nearly the exact same format as the factory...cant imagine what would cause it.... 6. re-routed the fuel system with soft line to by pass regulator and remove line from near engine...no chance in the problem Any ideas would be appreciated....we are getting desperate....here is how its setup in case it matters: Engine and such: Ford 351 Windsor - roller conversion 9.3:1 compression, forged pistons Edelbrock aluminum heads comp cam (521/536 lift, 230-ish duration) Edelbrock 650cfm Thunder AVS carb Edelbrock Performer RPM intake Shorty headers with 2-1/2 mandrel bent exhaust Fuel system specifics: Stock tank Stock 3/8-inch lines from tank to pump Summit Mechanical 'high volume' fuel pump - 110gph, 8 psi -6 AN braided hose from pump to regulator Adjustable regulator - set at 6.5psi -6 AN braided hose from regulator to filter In-line fuel filter right at carburetor Full tank of 91 octane fuel Thanks Friends! Cullen You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.105/2380 - Release Date: 09/18/09 07:49:00 You are subscribed as drmoonstone@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 17:39:02 2009 From: David T Johnson To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:24:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Shocks DYI The www.teae.org website still has my tip on how to make your own front shocks. Has the dimensions of the stock shock, It easy to do. Start with a quality shock like Gabriel or Monroe and you can't go wrong. If you are racing go with Koni's or Apax. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 18:53:42 2009 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: djoh797014@yahoo.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:52:17 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shocks DYI I think, while you will have some damping and the results would be better than a blown out shock, modifying a shock that is valved for a car that is likely to weigh much more, have different spring rates and a different ride/handling objective wouldn't be my first choice. Yes, it will "fit", but that's just the beginning...so, I can't agree that "you can't go wrong". The Koni has an effective compression/rebound force range to not only will work with the stock spring rate on the Tiger, but also with higher rate springs...at least the CAT front spring and Rob Guerra rear springs. Once past that point, like some of the race springs Dale has made, you're into sending the shocks to Koni for a revalve. But, like I said, dampers are a personal choice and I can see, particularly coming from either tired Armstrongs or other shocks past their "sold by" date, how people are perfectly happy with any replacement that's in the ballpark. Mike In a message dated 9/18/2009 4:39:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, djoh797014@yahoo.com writes: The www.teae.org website still has my tip on how to make your own front shocks. Has the dimensions of the stock shock, It easy to do. Start with a quality shock like Gabriel or Monroe and you can't go wrong. If you are racing go with Koni's or Apax. You are subscribed as mwood24020@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 19 14:35:58 2009 From: "J. Nichols" To: Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 16:25:49 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Shocks "This Spring I replaced my old Koni (ancient) rear shocks with KYB AGX 743019 adjustable units. Reasonable price and work great. Fronts are QA1 coilovers so that won't help you much." With the front coilovers did you eliminate the stock springs or are the coilovers in addition to the stock springs? Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 19 16:51:18 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:42:56 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] fuel pressure falls off - great ideas! Friends, I will keep you all informed of the outcome. I'm sure with all these great suggestions we will be closer to figuring it out, and likely soon. When we do I will let you know. Thanks all for the great ideas! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 20 00:21:32 2009 From: Steve Sage To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net, alpines@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:21:38 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Hood Problem Solved An update. I followed my own "instructions" from my email earlier today and it worked. The hood opens now with no problem. Maybe this will help someone who runs into this in the future. I positioned the hood back on the car, with the spring assembly attached, without reinstalling any bolts into the hinges in front. This locked the hood spring assembly into the receiver. Basically, it "self centered" the spring assembly into that hole. I pulled the hood release and it opened, and did that a few times. Then I installed just one bolt into each hinge in front (reaching through the grill) and snugged them down, but not too tight, and then adjusted the hood so the gaps were then pretty equal on both sides of the hood and especially at the front of the hood. I then really tightened just those two bolts up into the hinges. Then I opened the hood and propped it open. I installed one more bolt in each hinge and tightened the four bolts (two in each hinge) down snugly so now I had just the four bolts closest to the front of the car installed. This way if when I closed the hood again and it stuck, I wouldn't have to take out the four back bolts in the hinges (closest to the firewall) which are a lot more difficult to get to with the hood closed. I opened and closed the hood again, crossed my fingers and pulled the hood release again. It opened again. Then, with the hood open, I installed the back four hinge bolts (easy with the hood open), closed the hood again and it again opened with no problem so, problem solved. That all being said, the alignment isn't perfect and the hood doesn't quite pop all the way up. It comes up about 2/3 of an inch when I pull the release handle, and I just grab the corner of the hood and it's open. There's just a little resistance, not much. I've had it opened and closed about 30 times now though, so I'm not messing with that again. Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13300 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 20 20:06:57 2009 From: "Robin Young" To: , Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:58:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hood Problem Solved Steve, now that the hood fits as you like, you might consider an old hot rod trick.....drill one hole in each hinge and let it pass through the hood skin. When you remove the hood again, just insert a bit in each hole and the alignment will be perfect to tighten the bolts. Much time is saved. Robin -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Sage Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 2:22 AM To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net; alpines@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Hood Problem Solved An update. I followed my own "instructions" from my email earlier today and it worked. The hood opens now with no problem. Maybe this will help someone who runs into this in the future. I positioned the hood back on the car, with the spring assembly attached, without reinstalling any bolts into the hinges in front. This locked the hood spring assembly into the receiver. Basically, it "self centered" the spring assembly into that hole. I pulled the hood release and it opened, and did that a few times. Then I installed just one bolt into each hinge in front (reaching through the grill) and snugged them down, but not too tight, and then adjusted the hood so the gaps were then pretty equal on both sides of the hood and especially at the front of the hood. I then really tightened just those two bolts up into the hinges. Then I opened the hood and propped it open. I installed one more bolt in each hinge and tightened the four bolts (two in each hinge) down snugly so now I had just the four bolts closest to the front of the car installed. This way if when I closed the hood again and it stuck, I wouldn't have to take out the four back bolts in the hinges (closest to the firewall) which are a lot more difficult to get to with the hood closed. I opened and closed the hood again, crossed my fingers and pulled the hood release again. It opened again. Then, with the hood open, I installed the back four hinge bolts (easy with the hood open), closed the hood again and it again opened with no problem so, problem solved. That all being said, the alignment isn't perfect and the hood doesn't quite pop all the way up. It comes up about 2/3 of an inch when I pull the release handle, and I just grab the corner of the hood and it's open. There's just a little resistance, not much. I've had it opened and closed about 30 times now though, so I'm not messing with that again. Steve Sage _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 11:34:04 2009 From: "Samouce's" To: Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:29:58 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fitting a Dale's LAT Hood Hello all, I will be pulling the trigger next month on one of Dale's LAT hoods. I am looking for techniques for cutting and fitting the hood. A local restoration shop that does fantastic work on vintage mustang wants $85 and hour for their work. I would really like to fit the hood myself and take it to them for only the painting. TIA! Duke B382002037. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 13:10:21 2009 From: "Lynn Wall" To: "'Samouce's'" , Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:09:51 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fitting a Dale's LAT Hood Call Dale. He is always good about supporting his products and will give the best answer. They are really nice by the way. He solves a lot of the fitment issues that come with Kent's hoods (although they are pretty decent also) Lynn -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Samouce's Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 11:30 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Fitting a Dale's LAT Hood Hello all, I will be pulling the trigger next month on one of Dale's LAT hoods. I am looking for techniques for cutting and fitting the hood. A local restoration shop that does fantastic work on vintage mustang wants $85 and hour for their work. I would really like to fit the hood myself and take it to them for only the painting. TIA! Duke B382002037. You are subscribed as cars@wt-inc.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 13:49:40 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:43:33 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Hating Car Commercials Don't you just hate car commercials that tell you NOTHING about the car, but have glossy photos? Try this one that my son sent me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9Br6f_BCVc Others linked. Steve - ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 14:34:41 2009 From: Stephen Waybright To: Tiger's Den , Steve Laifman Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:27:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hating Car Commercials If a picture says a thousand words, then this video tells me everything I need to know about the car... I want one. I'd sure like to have a video like this on YouTube featuring Tigers. Stephen Waybright --- On Mon, 9/21/09, Steve Laifman wrote: > From: Steve Laifman > Subject: [Tigers] Hating Car Commercials > To: "Tiger's Den" > Cc: "Walters, Dan " > Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 3:43 PM > Don't you just hate car commercials > that tell you NOTHING about the car, but have glossy > photos? > > Try this one that my son sent me. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9Br6f_BCVc _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 15:05:49 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Stephen Waybright Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:57:13 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hating Car Commercials Stephen, (and Tigers), You are in luck today. Try: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sunbeam+tiger+racing&search_type=&aq=1&oq=Sunbeam+Tiger Lot's of good stuff. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Stephen Waybright wrote: > If a picture says a thousand words, then this video tells me everything I need to know about the car... I want one. I'd sure like to have a video like this on YouTube featuring _*Tigers*_. > > Stephen Waybright _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 16:10:49 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:10:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hating Car Commercials Hummm..., as someone who has taught (or tech-ed) video production for over 30 years I wouldn't call it devoid of special effects. The enhanced sound, the music, camera shots all enhance the perception beyond what we humans typically see and hear. But, it sure was an "E" ticket ride nonetheless. I'm not sure why it came to my mind, but another car comercial that showed the vehicle being put through its paces was the - Le Car by Renault. But rather than an "E" ticket, those were more like Mr. Toad's wild ride. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 17:05:04 2009 From: michael king To: Lynn Wall Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:59:51 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fitting a Dale's LAT Hood Duke you getting one of the carbon fibre ones or the fibreglass ones? -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 19:35:24 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: 'Samouce's' , tigers@autox.team.net, Lynn Wall Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fitting a Dale's LAT Hood Here in southern IL. we have had several boat factories over the past 30 years. Unfortunately most have gone to Mexico or are out of business- that being besides the point, we have several Fiberglass expets. I even thought about having a set of moulds made using my fender flares BUT I dont think there is enough interest to support the investment. Thinking along BOAT lines, perhaps your area has either boat factories or other fiberglass tooling that presenst fiberglasss experts OR you could send me the hood, I promise it will fit my Mk1 purrfect. TtT --- On Mon, 9/21/09, Lynn Wall wrote: > From: Lynn Wall > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fitting a Dale's LAT Hood > To: "'Samouce's'" , tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 2:09 PM > Call Dale. He is always good > about supporting his products and will give > the best answer. They are really nice by the > way. He solves a lot of the > fitment issues that come with Kent's hoods (although they > are pretty decent > also) > > Lynn > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Samouce's > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 11:30 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Fitting a Dale's LAT Hood > > Hello all, > > I will be pulling the trigger next month on one of Dale's > LAT hoods. > > I am looking for techniques for cutting and fitting the > hood. A local > restoration shop that does fantastic work on vintage > mustang wants $85 and > hour for their work. I would really like to fit the > hood myself and take it > to them for only the painting. > > TIA! > > Duke > B382002037. > You are subscribed as cars@wt-inc.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 21:39:37 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Lynn Wall Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fitting a Dale's LAT Hood Good information Lynn for us guys who have to rob the paper boy occasionally and check pay phones for forgotten change(pop machines too)to save $$$ for a fiberglass hood. I have a stroker engine in front of the hood tho, so maybe it wont take as long after I get the stroker bought and installed. I will add your post to my Beam folder. I do know you are right about letting it age tho but the other thoughts where all solid--in my mind at least, so I better save them- no telling how old I might be when I need to remember HOW to fit up a fiberglass hood. Cheers,TonytheTiger --- On Mon, 9/21/09, _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 21:40:22 2009 From: "Bob Dixon" To: "Samouce's" , Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:41:45 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fitting a Dale's LAT Hood My advice is to let them fit the hood. I have one of Dales hoods on my Tiger and it looks fantastic. They are made big and I really believe you need an expert to fit it right. My .02 Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samouce's" To: Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 11:29 AM Subject: [Tigers] Fitting a Dale's LAT Hood > Hello all, > > I will be pulling the trigger next month on one of Dale's LAT hoods. > > I am looking for techniques for cutting and fitting the hood. A local > restoration shop that does fantastic work on vintage mustang wants $85 and > hour for their work. I would really like to fit the hood myself and take > it > to them for only the painting. > > TIA! > > Duke > B382002037. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bobdixon@frii.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 14:21:43 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:18:09 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Pebble Beach Concours - 2009 Ran across a good video of the 2009 Pebble Beach Concours. Seems to be a lot of good stuff on this page: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njz7KO_eL8M&feature=related -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 15:57:14 2009 From: Owain Lloyd To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:57:03 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] painting behind the grill someone recently said that the area behind the grill should be painted black everywhere behind the lower trim strip. most tigers i see have it either all body color or body color on all the upper valance and side curves but black on the two vertical panels either side of the radiator. can anyone confirm if it is indeed correct to paint the rear half of the upper valance and the side concave curves in black? many thanks, - owain. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 16:52:33 2009 From: "J. Nichols" To: Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:47:04 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Autoweek OOOOPS photo The latest issue of Autoweek has a photo on the last page of a Alpine or Tiger shell sitting on top of Volvo station wagon. I think they forgot to weigh the shell before putting it on the Volvo's roof because the suspension collapsed onto the rear wheels. It makes it tough to drive home. I wonder how they got it on top in the first place since the photo was taken in the driveway in front of the garage. The name on the photo is someone on this list but I won't give it away. Another photo shows how one driver is trying to beat photo-enforcement tickets by wearing a monkey mask while driving. None of the photos can identify the driver so he thinks he can escape paying over $6,000 on 37 tickets. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 17:06:37 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "J. Nichols" , Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:59:26 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Autoweek OOOOPS photo A totally stripped Alpine is only about 400 pounds... That would still be a pretty good load but it shouldn't overload the suspension. Unless the station wagon was also loaded with all the other parts. Theo PS if anyone (else) wants to try this I have an Alpine shell. You bring the Volvo wagon and some cash ;) > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J. Nichols > Sent: September 22, 2009 4:47 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Autoweek OOOOPS photo > > The latest issue of Autoweek has a photo on the last page of > a Alpine or Tiger shell sitting on top of Volvo station > wagon. I think they forgot to weigh the shell before putting > it on the Volvo's roof because the suspension collapsed onto > the rear wheels. It makes it tough to drive home. I wonder > how they got it on top in the first place since the photo was > taken in the driveway in front of the garage. The name on > the photo is someone on this list but I won't give it away. > > > Another photo shows how one driver is trying to beat > photo-enforcement tickets by wearing a monkey mask while > driving. None of the photos can identify the driver so he > thinks he can escape paying over $6,000 on 37 tickets. > > > > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as theo.smit@dynastream.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 17:22:15 2009 From: "Joe Brown" To: "'Smit, Theo'" , "'J. Nichols'" Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:13:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Autoweek OOOOPS photo It looks like the front end was cut off (from the front of the wheel arch forward). Looked odd. That would save some weight though. Thanks, Joe Brown Arlington, TX B382000217 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Smit, Theo Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:59 PM To: J. Nichols; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Autoweek OOOOPS photo A totally stripped Alpine is only about 400 pounds... That would still be a pretty good load but it shouldn't overload the suspension. Unless the station wagon was also loaded with all the other parts. Theo PS if anyone (else) wants to try this I have an Alpine shell. You bring the Volvo wagon and some cash ;) > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J. Nichols > Sent: September 22, 2009 4:47 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Autoweek OOOOPS photo > > The latest issue of Autoweek has a photo on the last page of > a Alpine or Tiger shell sitting on top of Volvo station > wagon. I think they forgot to weigh the shell before putting > it on the Volvo's roof because the suspension collapsed onto > the rear wheels. It makes it tough to drive home. I wonder > how they got it on top in the first place since the photo was > taken in the driveway in front of the garage. The name on > the photo is someone on this list but I won't give it away. > > > Another photo shows how one driver is trying to beat > photo-enforcement tickets by wearing a monkey mask while > driving. None of the photos can identify the driver so he > thinks he can escape paying over $6,000 on 37 tickets. > > > > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as theo.smit@dynastream.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as jbbrown1980@gmail.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 17:36:43 2009 From: parlanti@comcast.net To: "J. Nichols" Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:31:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Autoweek OOOOPS photo I guess I'll have to take credit for the photo and tell the story. When I owned my first Tiger, which was quite rusty, I acquired a rust free Alpine for donor sheet metal. I eventually decided it would be better to find a better Tiger to start with than to go that route. After finding a nice clean restorable car, it was time to sell the old one which included the Alpine shell. The new owner drove the Tiger home and I told him to bring a trailer to pick up the Alpine. Well, he shows up with the Volvo wagon and insists that we can put the Alpine on top. I kept trying to dissuade him, but no go. He had brought a couple of 2x12s that we laid across the hood and top of the windshield and pushed the car up the ramp. It scratched the hell out of the car. He then proceeded to tie everything down. I was sure that at the first quick stop, the Alpine would slide right off, but apparently he made it all the way home to West Virginia. Oh, by the way, I made him sign a form absolving me of any responsibility before he left. And now you have the rest of the story... Joe Parlanti 1966 Sunbeam Tiger B382000026 1959 Abarth Zagato 750GT ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Nichols" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:47:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Tigers] Autoweek OOOOPS photo The latest issue of Autoweek has a photo on the last page of a Alpine or Tiger shell sitting on top of Volvo station wagon. I think they forgot to weigh the shell before putting it on the Volvo's roof because the suspension collapsed onto the rear wheels. It makes it tough to drive home. I wonder how they got it on top in the first place since the photo was taken in the driveway in front of the garage. The name on the photo is someone on this list but I won't give it away. snip ... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 18:22:14 2009 From: michael king To: parlanti@comcast.net Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:19:41 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Autoweek OOOOPS photo > , by the way, I made him sign a form absolving me of any responsibility > before he left. > > And now you have the rest of the story... > > Can we have the photos? -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 18:40:47 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: parlanti@comcast.net, jxnichols@sbcglobal.net Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:40:15 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Autoweek OOOOPS photo Unbelievable. Where can we see the picture? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 19:54:26 2009 From: parlanti@comcast.net To: CoolVT@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:52:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Autoweek OOOOPS photo I put the photos up on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/42776506@N05/ If you look at the head-on shot you'll see the damage to the hood of the Volvo. Joe Parlanti ----- Original Message ----- From: CoolVT@aol.com To: parlanti@comcast.net, jxnichols@sbcglobal.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:40:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Tigers] Autoweek OOOOPS photo Unbelievable. Where can we see the picture? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 21:56:13 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: "J. Nichols" , parlanti@comcast.net Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Autoweek OOOOPS photo He should stll be in jail for being so stupid. Im sure the nylon rope he used was as strong as good dog chain. Its times like this I hate having to admitt I grew up in WVA. Then again, I left in 72- I often remember why. Today is one of those WHYS. TtT --- On Tue, 9/22/09, parlanti@comcast.net wrote: > From: parlanti@comcast.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Autoweek OOOOPS photo > To: "J. Nichols" > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 6:31 PM > I guess I'll have to take credit for > the photo and tell the story. > > When I owned my first Tiger, which was quite rusty, I > acquired a rust free Alpine for donor sheet metal. I > eventually decided it would be better to find a better Tiger > to start with than to go that route. After finding a nice > clean restorable car, it was time to sell the old one which > included the Alpine shell. The new owner drove the Tiger > home and I told him to bring a trailer to pick up the > Alpine. Well, he shows up with the Volvo wagon and insists > that we can put the Alpine on top. I kept trying to dissuade > him, but no go. He had brought a couple of 2x12s that we > laid across the hood and top of the windshield and pushed > the car up the ramp. It scratched the hell out of the car. > He then proceeded to tie everything down. I was sure that at > the first quick stop, the Alpine would slide right off, but > apparently he made it all the way home to West Virginia. Oh, > by the way, I made him sign a form absolving me of any > responsibility before he left. > > And now you have the rest of the story... > > Joe Parlanti > 1966 Sunbeam Tiger B382000026 > 1959 Abarth Zagato 750GT > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. Nichols" > > To: tigers@autox.team.net > > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:47:04 PM GMT -05:00 > US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [Tigers] Autoweek OOOOPS photo > > The latest issue of Autoweek has a photo on the last page > of a Alpine or Tiger > shell sitting on top of Volvo station wagon. I think they > forgot to weigh the > shell before putting it on the Volvo's roof because the > suspension collapsed > onto the rear wheels. It makes it tough to drive home. I > wonder how they got > it on top in the first place since the photo was taken in > the driveway in > front of the garage. The name on the photo is someone on > this list but I > won't give it away. > > snip ... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 11:53:57 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:46:27 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] auto insurance question - liabilty Sorry to be asking a non-Tiger question, but I have exhausted an extensive internet search without answers. I was hoping a fellow Tiger enthusiast might help. If you sell auto insurance in California or are a California lawyer perhaps you can straighten out my understanding. If my 18 year old, full time college student, son - has his OWN car, in his OWN name, with his OWN insurance (regardless of cost), and I DON'T claim him as a dependent (thought I can and would still like to) am I liable for any accident simply because he still lives at home? My understanding is unfortunately - YES, simply because by living in my home I am REQUIRED to have him on my auto insurance (regardless of him having his own). And, by him being on my insurance it links him to me and thus my assets. Is this correct? Thank you for your time and again my apology for the non Tiger question. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 11:56:42 2009 From: Curt Meinel To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Paint behind grille work Owain, I purchased my 67 Alpine new and have owned 16 Alpines & Tigers. From the factory my Alpine had everything behind the lower grille chrome and upper grille chrome painted a semi-matte black including the curved sides. I have had many other original Tigers and Alpines that had the same. and it didn't matter what the body color was. Most of the repainted cars I've purchased have had body color behind the grille, I guess to save time & money. I guess Rootes did it that way to show off the center grille bars!!!! Hope this helps, Curt Meinel _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 14:11:27 2009 From: Rollright@aol.com To: onegonefish@comcast.net, rupertrich@yahoo.com, Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:10:45 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Reims reesurected A Goodwood Festival of Speed type event is happening at the all-fixed-up Reims circuit this weekend. Having been to the G.F.O.S a few years ago, if this continues I'm really going to try to go. Reims is a grand old Grand Prix circuit abandoned in the early seventies. Now all fixed up like the old days. In the Champagne region. Another reason to go !!!! The Matra I saw at G.F.O.S. was one of the two most memorable cars in attendance. The sound was like nothing I've ever heard before, including an original V-16 BRM. check this out _http://www.weea-organisation.com/_ (http://www.weea-organisation.com/) Jim Armstrong _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 15:52:41 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, alpines@autox.team.net, Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:45:57 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Question about Calif. defunct British Car delers I recall it being on Chapman near the 5 frwy and being at least for part of its history being named British Leyland. As a kid I visited and drooled often. Steve ---- rfeibusch1@earthlink.net wrote: > Question about Calif. defunct British Car delers > > This just in from Rod Bean - Can anyone on this list help??? > > Contact Rod directly, but please CC me. > > Thanks, > > Rick > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Rod Bean > Date: Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 4:11 AM > Subject: Question about Calif. defunct British Car delers > To: Rick Feibusch > > > Hi Rick, > > I've been trying to remember the place where I purchased my first > Lotus Elan (of many since) in 1969. It was a 1964 purchased used from > a large British car dealership in Anaheim. The place might have been > a distributorship. They handled all the BMC marques and was named > something like British Motors or British Car Distributors, British > Motor Corporation of Anaheim or something like that. I seem to > remember that it was near a freeway offramp, though which freeway, I > can't recall. > > A few years before, I actually had also bought a 1957 Hillman Commer > Cob (like a Husky but a panel truck instead of with side windows) > there (with a later OHV Hillman engine installed) from them. It was > their parts delivery vehicle and they were upgrading to something > else. > > What I'm looking for is the correct name and possibly, address of the > place. This is just for my records as I am trying to trace my > automotive history, particularly, my long Lotus history.... all the > cars > > Thanks for any help, Rick. > > Rod Bean > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten@ca.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 17:07:35 2009 From: TIGEROOTES@aol.com To: parlanti@comcast.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:00:16 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Autoweek OOOOPS photo Joe, Back in the 70s in High School days, three friends and I brought a Triumph TR-3 body home by placing it on top of a friend's Mom's 1969 Chevy Malibu Station Wagon's rooftop luggage rack! We did not damage her car and to my knowledge she never learned about it. Also of note, the rear-half body of a Bugeye Sprite will actually fit in the trunk of a 1966 Pontiac LeMans! Thanks for the memories. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 17:22:52 2009 From: David T Johnson To: tigers@autox.team.net, Curt Meinel Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint behind grille work Curt's right. And as another lister said, the paint was applied with what appears to be a very fine brush. The idea behind the chrome cross bars would appear to float in the opening. Most repaints don't take the time to make it concurs correct. Just like the rockers on MK II's and area under the lower chrome strip is also black, not bay color. Can't tell you how many repainted MK II's I see with this wrong. Nick Lerner's is correct. Dave --- On Wed, 9/23/09, Curt Meinel wrote: From: Curt Meinel Subject: [Tigers] Paint behind grille work To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 5:56 PM Owain, I purchased my 67 Alpine new and have owned 16 Alpines & Tigers. From the factory my Alpine had everything behind the lower grille chrome and upper grille chrome painted a semi-matte black including the curved sides. I have had many other original Tigers and Alpines that had the same. and it didn't matter what the body color was. Most of the repainted cars I've purchased have had body color behind the grille, I guess to save time & money. I guess Rootes did it that way to show off the center grille bars!!!! Hope this helps, Curt Meinel You are subscribed as djoh797014@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 17:38:38 2009 From: landcmitch@aol.com To: djoh797014@yahoo.com, tigers@autox.team.net, cmeinel464@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:33:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint behind grille work Wasn't the? spot-welded flange seam under the rocker panels painted black as well? Charlie _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 17:41:20 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net, alpines@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:41:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fitting a Dale's LAT Hood Sorry didn't hit the list with the reply - Do anyone have pictures of a Tiger/Alpine with the LAT flares? Thanks Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "TIGEROOTES@aol.com" To: achd73@yahoo.com; tigers@autox.team.net; alpines@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:07:50 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fitting a Dale's LAT Hood achd73@yahoo.com writes: > ... I even thought about having a set of moulds made using my fender > flares BUT I dont think there is enough interest to support the investment. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------------------------- > Tony, If you want copies of LAT fender flares, they are already available thru Starke Shelby. He > had a set of moulds made from an original unmounted set of flares I own. > Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 18:37:53 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Sandy Ganz Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:33:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fitting a Dale's LAT Hood Sandy, The Tiger LAT list is on TigersUnited.com http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_service/lat.asp The front and rear flares are not pictured, but are LAT-44 and LAT-45 A very nicely illustrated .PDF LAT Brochure, thanks to Michael King http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_service/LAT-brochure.pdf A "Confidential Price List" is the original dealer version from Dick Wheatly: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_service/pp-letters.asp Not exactly what you want, but Bob Palmer's excellant article on Ian Garrard, Ken Miles, Lew Spencer, and Doane Spencer (no relation) are at: http://www.tigersunited.com/history/tr-PalmerRacing1.asp Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Sandy Ganz wrote: > Sorry didn't hit the list with the reply - > > Do anyone have pictures of a > Tiger/Alpine with the LAT flares? > > Thanks > > Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 19:07:59 2009 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: Landcmitch@aol.com, djoh797014@yahoo.com, tigers@autox.team.net, Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:06:35 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint behind grille work What color black? What size brush? Did they paint it R to L or L to R? Where did they start? What was the humidity when they painted? What day was the car built? Where can I get original air for my tyres??? B382002560 In a message dated 9/23/2009 4:39:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, landcmitch@aol.com writes: Wasn't the? spot-welded flange seam under the rocker panels painted black as well? Charlie You are subscribed as aaaglasss@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 19:12:18 2009 From: Tony McNulty To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com, Landcmitch@aol.com, djoh797014@yahoo.com, Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:12:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint behind grille work Does this all matter? How many concours 95+ Tigers are there -- and who's around to judge them? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint behind grille work > What color black? What size brush? Did they paint it R to L or L to R? > Where did they start? What was the humidity when they painted? What day > was > the car built? Where can I get original air for my tyres??? > > B382002560 > > > > In a message dated 9/23/2009 4:39:03 P.M. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2390 - Release Date: 09/23/09 05:52:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 19:38:46 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:38:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint behind grille work >>>What color black? What size brush? Did they paint it R to L or L to R? Where did they start? What was the humidity when they painted? What day was the car built? Where can I get original air for my tyres???<<< Likely the brush was made from an animal that is now an endangered species. The paint probably contained lead (and/or other heavy metals) and now banned solvents. The brush strokes are prohibited because they cause repetitive motion injuries. The original air for the tyres (period correct anyway) might be locked in an Arctic glacier. But hurry, because they are melting! The other questions might be answered in an old almanac. :-) Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 19:56:03 2009 From: "Stu Brennan" To: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:55:42 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Emblem I'm looking for a good graphic of the Rootes "Dog" emblem, the round one with the dog or lion or whatever it is, on the circular blue background. Anybody know whwere there is one on line or have something? Stu Brennan _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 20:09:22 2009 From: "Stu Brennan" To: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:09:15 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Maine Rootes Rendezvous Oct 3-4 Hi Gang: The Rendezvous is almost here! The details of this fun weekend are below! Check them out and make your plans NOW! If you are coming, please RSVP to Tod at the address below. We need a headcount of who is coming, so we can prepare the appropriate amount of snacks and "special waters". This year our fall get-together is scheduled for Saturday and Sunday, Oct. 3 & 4 in the Midcoast area of Maine. The dates chosen are NOT the usual Columbus Day weekend dates since Owls Head Transportation Museum is holding their annual Foreign Auto Festival & Antique Aeroplane Show on Oct. 4. This year OHTM is celebrating the 100th anniversary of the Morgan marque. The schedule for our meeting is as follows: Saturday, Oct. 3 11 AM - Noon: We will gather at the home of Merrilee and Tod Brown for an initial meeting, snacks, conversation and show and tell. 2 PM (approx): Depart for a tour down the Medomak River Road to Pemaquid Point and a visit to the Pemaquid Point Lighthouse for pictures. 4 PM (approx): Return to the Long Cove Clubhouse in Chamberlain for picnic and more conversation, etc. Those who have attended in the past will notice a change in the arrangements. In anticipation of a larger turnout, Dexter has offered us the use of the Long Cove Clubhouse, near his cottage, for the picnic. It has more space, is under cover in case of inclement weather and has plenty of parking. Sunday, Oct. 4 We will meet at OHTM for participation in the Foreign Auto Festival. Gates open for participants at 8:30 and to the public at 10:00. OHTM will reserve an area for us to park together, so long as someone is there early to stake our claim. On a good day there can be upwards of 200 cars at the show. For more information and/or directions contact Tod and Merrilee at 207-832-9913 or todbrown@roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 20:38:45 2009 From: michael king To: Stu Brennan Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:38:28 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rootes Emblem the talbot hound? do you want a raster vector or eps image? -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 20:42:10 2009 From: michael king To: Thomas Witt Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:42:02 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint behind grille work I think i have some NOS "dunlop-rootes" air for the tyres.. right next to the NOS Lucas smoke for the wirring. In all seriousness.. the reason it matters is that sometimes its nice for a car to survive unmolestered.. or for one being restored to be put back together correctly... just because many of us have updated and modified doesnt mean the knowledge should be lost.. 2009/9/24 Thomas Witt > What color black? What size brush? Did they paint it R to L or L to R? >>>> >>> Where did they start? What was the humidity when they painted? What day > was > the car built? Where can I get original air for my tyres???<<< > Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 20:52:41 2009 From: "spook01" To: "michael king" , "Stu Brennan" Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:43:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rootes Emblem i own the talbot hound. his name is talbot! Best, Ray "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael king" To: "Stu Brennan" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rootes Emblem > the talbot hound? > > do you want a raster vector or eps image? > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as spook01@comcast.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 21:07:51 2009 From: Marc James Small To: "Stu Brennan" , Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:49:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rootes Emblem At 09:55 PM 9/23/2009, Stu Brennan wrote: >I'm looking for a good graphic of the Rootes "Dog" emblem, the round one >with the dog or lion or whatever it is, on the circular blue background. >Anybody know whwere there is one on line or have something? The "Talbot Hound", a mythical creature. But, then, I do own a Lawn Tortoise who keeps my back yard cropped to the appearance of the Gobi Desert, so who am I to speak of mythical creatures? Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 21:26:46 2009 From: "Buck Trippel" To: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:26:30 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Coronado The Coronado Speed Festival is being held this weekend at North Island Naval Air Station in San Diego. There's going to be a good Sunbeam showing with Steven Alcala's Sebring Alpine's first track appearance in decades. Dale A. is going to run along with Tom Sakai's & our #74 SCF Tigers. As usual, all are are welcome to stop by and hang out in our pits. Buck Trippel _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 22:07:20 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: Buck Trippel , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Coronado Will also be at the race, I'm going with Adam Carolla with his Bob Sharp Datsun 610. Any Tiger folks stop buy and say HI! Buck - Hopefully you got a new rotor :) Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Buck Trippel To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:26:30 PM Subject: [Tigers] Coronado The Coronado Speed Festival is being held this weekend at North Island Naval Air Station in San Diego. There's going to be a good Sunbeam showing with Steven Alcala's Sebring Alpine's first track appearance in decades. Dale A. is going to run along with Tom Sakai's & our #74 SCF Tigers. As usual, all are are welcome to stop by and hang out in our pits. Buck Trippel _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 23:12:54 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, Buck Trippel Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:12:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Coronado Buck, I will be stopping by on Sunday with one Son. See you all there! Erich ---- Buck Trippel wrote: > The Coronado Speed Festival is being held this weekend at North Island Naval > Air Station in San Diego. > > There's going to be a good Sunbeam showing with Steven Alcala's Sebring > Alpine's first track appearance in decades. Dale A. is going to run along with > Tom Sakai's & our #74 SCF Tigers. > > As usual, all are are welcome to stop by and hang out in our pits. > > Buck Trippel > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as e.coiner@cox.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 24 01:22:14 2009 From: Jeff Howarth To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 08:17:31 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint behind grille work Hi Aaron, don't forget that you need November Coventry air to match your production date otherwise the ride will be too firm. I do have a set of original Tiger wheels with RS5 Dunlop's, never had a flat. but sadly they won't fit yours as they are from a March production date car. I presume you all know that if you don't use original water from the River Severn, your Tigers may be prone to overheat. I can go to Coventry in November and get you some if you want. On the grill - its Pot Luck Black and painted L to R on LRX cars and R to L on HRO cars - the brush strokes told them which side to put the steering wheel. ;-) In message , AAAGLASSS@aol.com writes >What color black? What size brush? Did they paint it R to L or L to R? >Where did they start? What was the humidity when they painted? What day was >the car built? Where can I get original air for my tyres??? > >B382002560 > > > >In a message dated 9/23/2009 4:39:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >landcmitch@aol.com writes: > >Wasn't the? spot-welded flange seam under the rocker panels painted black >as well? > > > >Charlie >You are subscribed as aaaglasss@aol.com > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as jeff@v8tiger.demon.co.uk > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > -- Jeff Howarth _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 24 06:40:10 2009 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 08:37:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint behind grille work OK group, here's a question: what about black cars? Did they still use the semi-gloss black behind the grill or was it the one exemption? Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Curt Meinel Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:57 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Paint behind grille work Owain, I purchased my 67 Alpine new and have owned 16 Alpines & Tigers. From the factory my Alpine had everything behind the lower grille chrome and upper grille chrome painted a semi-matte black including the curved sides. I have had many other original Tigers and Alpines that had the same. and it didn't matter what the body color was. Most of the repainted cars I've purchased have had body color behind the grille, I guess to save time & money. I guess Rootes did it that way to show off the center grille bars!!!! Hope this helps, Curt Meinel _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 24 06:52:41 2009 From: CMeinel464@aol.com To: mark.rense@ge.com Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 08:48:10 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint behind grille work My 67 Alpine bought new is paint code #1 Embassy Black had semi-matte behind the grille work. Hope this helps, Curt In a message dated 9/24/2009 8:40:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark.rense@ge.com writes: OK group, here's a question: what about black cars? Did they still use the semi-gloss black behind the grill or was it the one exemption? Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Curt Meinel Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:57 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Paint behind grille work Owain, I purchased my 67 Alpine new and have owned 16 Alpines & Tigers. From the factory my Alpine had everything behind the lower grille chrome and upper grille chrome painted a semi-matte black including the curved sides. I have had many other original Tigers and Alpines that had the same. and it didn't matter what the body color was. Most of the repainted cars I've purchased have had body color behind the grille, I guess to save time & money. I guess Rootes did it that way to show off the center grille bars!!!! Hope this helps, Curt Meinel You are subscribed as cmeinel464@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 24 07:25:31 2009 From: Owain Lloyd To: Tony McNulty Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:25:21 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint behind grille work although one day, a very original tiger would be nice, my car is far from concours. i was just painting the side panels next to the radiator while the rad and the grill was out as they looked ugly in white. wondered how far forward i could paint without it looking weird. if rootes did it, at least nobody can complain i painted too far forward.... thanks for all the input. On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:12 AM, Tony McNulty wrote: > Does this all matter? How many concours 95+ Tigers are there -- and who's > around to judge them? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: ; ; ; > > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint behind grille work > > > What color black? What size brush? Did they paint it R to L or L to R? >> Where did they start? What was the humidity when they painted? What day >> was >> the car built? Where can I get original air for my tyres??? >> >> B382002560 >> >> >> >> In a message dated 9/23/2009 4:39:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> landcmitch@aol.com writes: >> >> Wasn't the? spot-welded flange seam under the rocker panels painted black >> as well? >> >> >> >> Charlie >> You are subscribed as aaaglasss@aol.com >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as bamcnulty@optonline.net >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2390 - Release Date: 09/23/09 > 05:52:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 24 08:53:05 2009 From: "rande" To: rfeibusch1@earthlink.net Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:49:24 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Anaheim BMC dealer Rod is right, it was British Motor Car Distributors, Ltd. The address I have listed was 1601 Anaheim Blvd, Anaheim 92805. I remember seeing a long showroom building easily visible from what's now Rt 110 / Interstate 5 on the north side of the freeway, very close to Disneyland (that's why this Valley Boy was in the area) and I usually saw new Austin Healey 3000's displayed outside. BMCD is still in business on Van Ness in San Francisco (www.bmcd.com). The main man is Mr. Kjell Qvale, and he's credited with bringing over the MG TC, so you know he's an interesting guy. I used to pick up parts at the BMCD regional parts center on Susanna Rd, Compton, where I discovered he was the U.S. distributor in 1969 for the de Tomaso Mangusta 289 and 302 models. This was prior to Lincoln-Mercury bringing the Pantera to the States. At the time, BMCD took care of Austin Healey and MG, and had some tie in with Aston Martin. Jaguar was, I believe, in Hollywood, British Leyland (Rover and Triumph)was in South Central LA. Lotus had a dealer listed (in 1965) in Santa Ana. Bob Challman, in Manhattan Beach, was listed as both the distributor (in 1965)under the name Ecurie Shirlee Distribution, and as a showroom and service location, a block apart from each other on Sepulveda Blvd. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 24 09:08:10 2009 From: "Mountjoy" To: Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 08:05:34 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Subject: Coronado Rick Mueller and I are caravanning to Coronado on Saturday. Rick has a set of buns for his spare seat but my spare seat is available if someone wants to come along. Let me know. Darrell _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 24 10:08:00 2009 From: David T Johnson To: tigers@autox.team.net, Stu Brennan Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rootes Emblem Its not a dog. Its a Griffith and he's standing on a regeant's hat. Dave --- On Thu, 9/24/09, Stu Brennan wrote: From: Stu Brennan Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Emblem To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 1:55 AM I'm looking for a good graphic of the Rootes "Dog" emblem, the round one with the dog or lion or whatever it is, on the circular blue background. Anybody know whwere there is one on line or have something? Stu Brennan You are subscribed as djoh797014@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 24 10:14:13 2009 From: To: michael king , Thomas Witt Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:14:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint behind grille work > In all seriousness.. the reason it matters is that sometimes its nice for a > car to survive unmolestered.. or for one being restored to be put back > together correctly... just because many of us have updated and modified > doesnt mean the knowledge should be lost.. Agree completely. It's important to have at least one survive so people can know what they once were, positives and negatives. Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 24 10:39:41 2009 From: To: michael king , Thomas Witt Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:39:33 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint behind grille work > In all seriousness.. the reason it matters is that sometimes its nice for a > car to survive unmolestered.. or for one being restored to be put back > together correctly... just because many of us have updated and modified > doesnt mean the knowledge should be lost.. Agree completely. It's important to have at least one survive so people can know what they once were, positives and negatives. Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 24 13:23:35 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] brake shoes and pads I'm interested in buying new brakes- front and back BUT I want to buy shoes that stop you and don't "just fit" on a Tiger. SS may sell the best, perhaps Doug or Dale have better resources. I don't autocross or use a booster, just FYI, I just want to be able to stop my car using the best parts available. Thanks in advance for all knowledgeable responses on or off list. TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 24 13:23:57 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Stu Brennan Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:15:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rootes Emblem Stu, A good source of the MANY Sunbeam emblems can be found, and purchased, from Sunbeam Specialty. Here is a link to the catalog page: http://www.rootes.com/Catalogpages/p26.html There is a fine article on the subject by our friend the late 'Ole' Olson, past president of Sunbeam Owner's Group of San Diego: "What kind of "Beastie" is that, on my Tiger Crest?" http://www.tigersunited.com/articles/oo-tc/h-dog.asp "John Talbot the 1st Earl of Shrewsbury who fought against Joan of Arc. The Talbot Hounds and was a badge worn by his soldiers/retainers. Heraldically described as "A lion statant with tail extended. "Statant Attitude" . This apparently refers to the position of the arm and paw. Standing on all feet, facing to the right is "Statant". With one paw raised in a striking position, and the others ready to spring, is "passant". " The actual heraldic example of the "talbot passant" is also shown here: http://www.library.nd.edu/rarebooks/digital_projects/heraldry/charges/beasts.shtml It is a "Talbot Hound". "You pays your money, and you makes your choice" All sources linked. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Stu Brennan wrote: > I'm looking for a good graphic of the Rootes "Dog" emblem, the round one > with the dog or lion or whatever it is, on the circular blue background. > Anybody know whwere there is one on line or have something? > > Stu Brennan _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 24 13:40:39 2009 From: spook01@comcast.net To: David T Johnson Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rootes Emblem that's what i keep telling my dog. he insists it's a dog.B he also says that's a feedbowl. B B go figure...... ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "David T Johnson" To: tigers@autox.team.net, "Stu Brennan" Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:00:38 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rootes Emblem Its not a dog. B Its a Griffith and he's standing on a regeant's hat. B Dave --- On Thu, 9/24/09, Stu Brennan wrote: From: Stu Brennan Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Emblem To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 1:55 AM I'm looking for a good graphic of the Rootes "Dog" emblem, the round one with the dog or lion or whatever it is, on the circular blue background. Anybody know whwere there is one on line or have something? Stu Brennan You are subscribed as djoh797014@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Tired of spam? B Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 24 15:53:54 2009 From: arado7@sbcglobal.net To: sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint behind grille work I have a survivor. All original except for cd radio, Dot 5 and Mobil 1. Whoops I forgot the 600cfm 4 barrel installed by DPO. Changed by me to a 390CFM. I do have original two barrel manifold and carburetor to bring it back. but it runs so good... Lets see, I refreshed all mechanicals,electrical, paint, seat suspension, soft top and hardtop. Has Original wheels and trim rings. fun car for thirty years. Regards, Gary Moore B9472283 --- On Thu, 9/24/09, sralsten@ca.rr.com wrote: From: sralsten@ca.rr.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint behind grille work To: "michael king" , "Thomas Witt" Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 4:14 PM > In all seriousness.. the reason it matters is that sometimes its nice for a > car to survive unmolestered.. or for one being restored to be put back > together correctly... just because many of us have updated and modified > doesnt mean the knowledge should be lost.. Agree completely. It's important to have at least one survive so people can know what they once were, positives and negatives. Steve You are subscribed as arado7@sbcglobal.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 24 16:09:31 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , "'michael king'" , Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:08:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint behind grille work Actually it would be nice to have more than one survivor that can be documented with pictures. Those of you who have original untouched Sunbeams; now is the time to take pictures. Thank you Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten@ca.rr.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:14 PM To: michael king; Thomas Witt Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint behind grille work > In all seriousness.. the reason it matters is that sometimes its nice > for a car to survive unmolestered.. or for one being restored to be > put back together correctly... just because many of us have updated > and modified doesnt mean the knowledge should be lost.. Agree completely. It's important to have at least one survive so people can know what they once were, positives and negatives. Steve You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2390 - Release Date: 09/24/09 18:00:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 24 21:53:21 2009 From: "Mike Michels" To: "Tiger Email List" Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:53:32 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] October C.A.T. meeting Attention C.A.T. members and friends: A late addition to the C.A.T. calendar is our meeting on October 10. 8:30 breakfast meeting will be at Coco's Restaurant and Bakery, 1300 El Sobrante Rd. Corona, CA 92879 (951) 371-3300. Located near intersection of CA 91 Freeway and Interstate 15. Breakfast will be followed by 10:00 a.m. tour of Tom Malloy's nearby historic race car collection in Corona. Among many vintage and historic race cars, Malloy owns the only running Gurney Eagle/Toyota GTP Mk III that dominated the IMSA GTP series in the 90s, piloted by Juan Manuel Fangio III and P.J. Jones. Some other cars in collection include the winning car, second & third place cars from 1981 Indy 500; 1932 Ford Mooneyes ran at Bonneville; Ford GT-40; Lister Knobbly; Brabhams; several Watson roadsters from 50's and 60's; Lolas; McLarens; several Millers from 30's; track roadsters; Eagles; etc. Over 40 cars in all. Also there is a Dick Wallen memorabilia and extensive helmets collection. Tom has plans to develop a new race track on property northwest of Lancaster, to be called Fairmont Butte Motorsports Park and we will get an update on that project. Mr. Malloy has requested that we not publish the address of the collection, so directions will be provided at the breakfast meeting. Or email me for directions if you can't make the breakfast meeting. Mike Michels _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 25 00:23:21 2009 From: michael king To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:19:53 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Victorian Sunbeam "concourse" day The Sunbeam car club of victoria had its concourse on sunday 20/09/2009, here are some pics.. apparently it turned into a show and shine.. dont ask why my front wheel is off on the tiger.. and what happened to its brand new tyres... figures the first time i let someone else drive it... the concourse car: http://community.webshots.com/album/574790563PmgCfH http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2385055810054462410gCFNXs http://thumb10.webshots.net/t/75/175/0/55/81/2385055810054462410gCFNXs_th.jpg http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2277342120054462410FPoEle http://thumb10.webshots.net/t/64/764/3/42/12/2277342120054462410FPoEle_th.jpg http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2529487260054462410FQwMQJ http://thumb10.webshots.net/t/64/764/4/87/26/2529487260054462410FQwMQJ_th.jpg the rest of us mupets: http://community.webshots.com/album/574778843GyKTnP http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2947727860054462410nfUxFI http://thumb10.webshots.net/t/64/764/7/27/86/2947727860054462410nfUxFI_th.jpg -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 25 16:44:39 2009 From: "J. Nichols" To: Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:42:04 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] SmithsNOS Alpine/Tiger Heater Switch On Ebay is a NOS heater contol lever with blower tip switch (230380336530). This would be for the MK1 Tiger or the early Alpines. The later Tigers had a blower switch on the dash. I bought one and the seller asked me to send a email to the list, so here it is. The seller said he has several to sell. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 26 12:44:23 2009 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:42:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] mtr mount brkts I'm trying to line up parts I need for a 289 installation for my 1A (B382000048LRXFE). In the Rootes catalog, the rubber mounts and heat shields are the same numbers for Mark 1 and Mark 2, but the cast iron brackets are shown as different part numbers, depending upon which Mark it is. What's the difference? Anyone gone through this before. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 26 16:29:44 2009 From: Sabr2th To: Tigers Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:18:08 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Alpine Body on Austin Texas Craigslist This just came up on the Austin Texas craigslist. Thought I9d pass it along. http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/1393196765.html _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 27 09:16:45 2009 From: "Fabbro" To: Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:08:48 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger valve cover label. Hi all I do not have the original label for my wife's 1965 Tiger (Original 260 in it) for the valve cover. If I get a repo one what information would I put on it to be correct? Kim _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 27 09:47:38 2009 From: "Fabbro" To: Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:39:40 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Jack and tire wrench location? Could I have some on take a few photos of a trunk to show the location of the jack and wheel wrench? I have the metal clips to put in but need the lay out of which way they face. Also I plan to make a new tire cover (Trunk tire cover) but my car did not have one to copy, so a photo or two will help me to see how they lay in and lift up. Thanks in advance Kim _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 27 13:41:11 2009 From: BrockCTella To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:10:38 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Engine mounts Hi all, the last year or so, when downshiting, my right exhaust manifold will vibrate on the engine mount(replaced in 1991, 20,000 miles). Would the rubber in the mount flatten after all these years allowing the contact? And if I do need to replace the rubber mount, can it be done with the engine "in place"? Thanks ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFoYcCMLLcN7TP1yqwIBEJt0p5LgJaq1BWMR4EF96ATbvdw6L2zYk/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 27 16:24:55 2009 From: "Fabbro" To: Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:08:01 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT Hi all This is one site that I found is unreal for quick replies to the questions I have on these tigers. Its minutes to only hours later. There have been times I am in the shop working, put in a question on some thing. Then jump to do some thing else. After completing that job. Look for a reply then back to the job at hand. Thanks again Kim _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 27 16:46:41 2009 From: Owain Lloyd To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 23:16:58 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] oil temperature i just installed an oil temperature gauge and found that after a hard run the water temperature is about 180F (the thermostat temp - i need to change that up to a 190), but the oil temperature reaches about 260! what is the normal acceptable temperature for engine oil? i'm trying to decide whether or not to fit an oil cooler. i'd be happier if the temp was under 210 but thats not based on any particular knowledge! i'm using mobil semi synthetic if that affects the acceptable extremes. on a side note, i recently changed to lighter oil (mobil 5W30 instead on 10w40) after finding hot cranking difficult to impossible. this fixed the hot cranking issue, but i guess i could switch back to 10w40 if the oil was running cooler? thanks again for wisdom of the list! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 27 16:46:52 2009 From: Owain Lloyd To: BrockCTella Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 23:25:23 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine mounts i don't know about the mileage of the mount, i guess it depends on the particular mount and the usage conditions, but i changed my mounts with the engine in place and with lat style headers on. it was certainly not easy (nothing around there is with headers) but possible. On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 8:10 PM, BrockCTella wrote: > Hi all, the last year or so, when downshiting, my right exhaust manifold > will vibrate on the engine mount(replaced in 1991, 20,000 miles). Would > the rubber in the mount flatten after all these years allowing the > contact? And if I do need to replace the rubber mount, can it be done > with the engine "in place"? Thanks > ____________________________________________________________ > Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFoYcCMLLcN7TP1yqwIBEJt0p5LgJaq1BWMR4EF96ATbvdw6L2zYk/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 27 19:23:32 2009 From: "Mike Michels" To: "Fabbro" , Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:42:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT Kim I have had the same experience, getting a reply even while I'm still working on the project. The tech and info support is outstanding and everyone is to be commended for their generosity exchanging helpful info. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fabbro" To: Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:08 PM Subject: [Tigers] THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT > Hi all > > This is one site that I found is unreal for quick replies to the > questions I have on these tigers. Its minutes to only hours later. There > have been times I am in the shop working, put in a question on some > thing. Then jump to do some thing else. After completing that job. Look > for a reply then back to the job at hand. > > Thanks again > > Kim > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mmichels@socal.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 28 06:18:29 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:18:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] oil temperature Owain I believe the optimum temperature for engine oil and ATF is in the 200F to 220F range. This is the temperature range that they will deteriorate the least and last the longest. They will tolerate higher temperatures but they must be changed more often. Somewhere I have a reference for this but I can't put my hands on it right now so I'm going from memory. Hopefully others will add to this. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 6:17 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] oil temperature i just installed an oil temperature gauge and found that after a hard run the water temperature is about 180F (the thermostat temp - i need to change that up to a 190), but the oil temperature reaches about 260! what is the normal acceptable temperature for engine oil? i'm trying to decide whether or not to fit an oil cooler. i'd be happier if the temp was under 210 but thats not based on any particular knowledge! i'm using mobil semi synthetic if that affects the acceptable extremes. on a side note, i recently changed to lighter oil (mobil 5W30 instead on 10w40) after finding hot cranking difficult to impossible. this fixed the hot cranking issue, but i guess i could switch back to 10w40 if the oil was running cooler? thanks again for wisdom of the list! 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