From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 13 22:17:01 2009 From: Steve Sage To: "tigers@autox.team.net" , "Teepen, Jere" Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 21:48:02 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Don Adams Tiger? Hello Team: As per the vin number, this is in fact my old Tiger that I sold years ago. I sold it to someone in Northern California who later did a restoration on it, removed the A/C I had installed, and did the red seats and panels, and did some extra badging on it, etc. The interior was stock when I sold it. The louvers in the photos are the ones I had installed prior to the sale. When I bought the car, the seller said it was once owned by Don Adams and gave me the original registration with Don Adams as owner, c/o his production company, which I still have. I had no way of verifying that at the time and it wasn't a factor in my making the purchase. I have attached the registration but I think Auto X will remove it from this email. If it doesn't show, if anyone wants to see it let me know and I can email it directly. A few years later, at my car dealership, I sold a car to a lady who asked me who owned the red Tiger parked outside my office, which was my car and my every day driver. She looked at it in more detail and told me that she knew the car well as she had worked for Don's production company it had been given to Don as a gift by his production company. She recognized the wheels (not what's on the car now) which were very distinctive with gold trim on the spokes, plus a couple of other distinguishing quirks my Tiger had. Again, I had no way of verifying that, but it coincided with what the seller had told me. The Midlands (I think that's the brand but I may be wrong) brake booster looks like the after market booster I installed when the Girling unit went bad. I also had the headlight rims chromed which still remain on the car. When I sold the car it had a stock steering wheel at the time. I have no involvement with the car at all now other than saying that it appears to be my ex Tiger and, as far as I know, it did once belong to Don Adams. Steve Sage sralsten@ca.rr.com wrote: > It's an old recipe.... > > Take one $30,000 collector car, add a healthy dollop of celebrity > provenance and Viola !!! $45,000 car. > > Similar to taking one $3000 Alpine, add several Tiger parts, a > replica chassis tag or real possibly if you can find one. Shake well > and Viola !!! A Tiger. > > Buyer Beware > > > > ---- "Teepen wrote: > >> I find it interesting that they refer to this car as having been owned by Don >> Adams. CAT had a luncheon with Don Adams about a year before he passed away. >> When he was asked what happened to the car after its use in Get Smart he >> confirmed he owned it. He also stated that the car was scrapped after one of >> his daughters had wrecked it, this incident being the final straw after >> several other accidents with the car in the hands of his children. He did not >> hesitate about the car's fate and seemed quite certain about its demise. >> >> Does anyone know if he owned another Tiger? >> >> Jere >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of MWood24020@aol.com >> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 8:42 PM >> To: tigers@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Tigers] "Don Adams" Tiger for sale >> >> _http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/842-Sunbeam-Tiger%20Mk.%20IA-289%20c.i. >> %208-Cylinder_ >> (http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/842-Sunbeam-Tiger%20Mk.%20IA-289%20c.i.% >> 208-Cylinder) >> >> >> Not involved in sale, just in case anyone has an interest.... >> >> Mike >> E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13700 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Don Adams Tiger title.JPG] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 13 23:37:01 2009 From: Steve Sage To: David or Gary Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:56:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] "Don Adams" Tiger for sale To clarify, the seller (when I bought it) didn't claim the car was ever in the TV show, just that it was a gift from the production company to Don. Steve Sage David or Gary wrote: > The seller listing shows two different serial numbers 2219, and 219. The > book of Norman shows B9470310 as the Paramount Get Smart Tiger. > David > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13700 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 1 09:46:51 2009 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:30:32 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment I don't know about you, but my Tigers don't like E10 fuel, now we will be faced with E15 before too long. This is all due to the corn ethanol industry lobbying to bail themselves out of financial trouble. EPA Notifies Industry Group on Status of Ethanol Waiver Request Release date: 12/01/2009 Contact Information: Deb Berlin, berlin.deb@epa.gov, 202-564-4914, 202-564-4355 WASHINGTON - The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) today announced that it expects to make a final determination in mid-2010 regarding whether to increase the allowable ethanol content in fuel. In a letter sent today to Growth Energy - a bio fuels industry association that had asked EPA to grant a waiver that would allow for the use of up to 15 percent of ethanol in gasoline - the agency said that while not all tests have been completed, the results of two tests indicate that engines in newer cars likely can handle an ethanol blend higher than the current 10-percent limit. The agency will decide whether to raise the blending limit when more testing data is available. EPA also announced that it has begun the process to craft the labeling requirements that will be necessary if the blending limit is raised. In March 2009, Growth Energy requested a waiver to allow for the use of up to 15 percent ethanol in gasoline, an increase of five percent points. Under the Clean Air Act, EPA was required to respond to the waiver request by December 1, 2009. EPA has been evaluating the group's request and has received a broad range of public comments as part of the administrative rulemaking process. EPA and the Department of Energy also undertook a number of studies to determine whether cars could handle higher ethanol blends. Testing has been proceeding as quickly as possible given the available testing facilities. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 1 10:00:37 2009 From: spook01@comcast.net To: tigers Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] water pumps and hubs hello all,B a quick question regarding water pumps on the 302 option. can you press a hub further down on the hd aftermarket pumps to use it on the tiger with a 302?B or do i need to press off the hub on my 260 type pump and put it on the new pump? seems like the mustangs used a body to hub measurement of 5.7".....but the tigger is different. i used the old 260 pump for years, but it really is out of it's depth with a larger engine what with the open impellor and all. thanks, rayB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 1 10:01:03 2009 From: spook01@comcast.net To: Steve Laifman Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel pumps steve,B there is someone on the mg tabc list that rebuilds the su pumps properly.B he does them stock or electronic.B he has done three for me and knows his stuff. the one on the riley has been working for at least 9 years.B i have his address somewhere in my multitudinous car files! he is out in socal as i remember. if anyone is interested, write me and i will put you in touch. rayB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" To: garywinblad@comcast.net, tigers@autox.team.net, "Stu Brennan" Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 4:54:55 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel pumps Stu, and Gary, Although the original SU pump has a few eroding / arcing points issues, the mechanical points can be best fixed by replacing the switch inside the housing. B I have owned these pumps for over 50 years in my MG-TD, Jaguar XK120 and others. B I was warned about the pump points, and the users had a number of solutions (some more effective than others.) When stopped dead in the fast lane of the 405, the first solution is to throw open the bonnet, remove your bumper shoot, and give the pump a good thwack. Difficult if it starts raining. The Jaguar mounted the pump under the passenger floor, like the Early Tiger, under the rear "parcel shelf" panel. B Difficult if the hood (soft top) is up because it is raining. The easiest cure is to replace the mechanical points set with a solid state device. Only the points must be changed. B At one point Theo Smit was selling the points replacement kit he designed and made. B No better referral can be had be had. No, it doesn't rain here much. B Which makes every rain-related issue few and far between, but unexpected. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com garywinblad@comcast.net wrote: > My experience duplicates Stu's exactly. B Those little pumps work > great. B I quickly installed mine with rubber hose pushed right on > the stock lines fifteen years ago and worked flawlessly until the > clutch died anyway... > Gary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stu Brennan > To: rande@thecia.net, tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:56:40 +0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel pumps > > I tried a "big bucks exact duplicate replacement" from a well known > vendor that supposedly had an improved points setup, and it faithfully > reproduced the performance of the original, including bringing the Tiger > to a halt in the middle of an intersection. B For the last decade, at > least, I've used one of those little square Facet pumps. B The same type > Tiger Tom sold (IIRC), and were seen in blister packs hangiing on the > wall at the parts store labeled "Purilator". B Works fine so far, and it > was at least a decade old when I put it on. > > Stu Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 1 10:17:56 2009 From: Paul R Sheahan To: tigers@autox.team.net, " Mark \(GE Indust ConsInd\)Rense" Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:54:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment Who is selling fuel with no ethanol? Paul Paul R Sheahan "Live every day as if it were your last" "Get busy living or get busy dying" --- On Tue, 12/1/09, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) wrote: From: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Subject: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 11:30 AM I don't know about you, but my Tigers don't like E10 fuel, now we will be faced with E15 before too long. This is all due to the corn ethanol industry lobbying to bail themselves out of financial trouble. EPA Notifies Industry Group on Status of Ethanol Waiver Request Release date: 12/01/2009 Contact Information: Deb Berlin, berlin.deb@epa.gov, 202-564-4914, 202-564-4355 WASHINGTON - The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) today announced that it expects to make a final determination in mid-2010 regarding whether to increase the allowable ethanol content in fuel. In a letter sent today to Growth Energy - a bio fuels industry association that had asked EPA to grant a waiver that would allow for the use of up to 15 percent of ethanol in gasoline - the agency said that while not all tests have been completed, the results of two tests indicate that engines in newer cars likely can handle an ethanol blend higher than the current 10-percent limit. The agency will decide whether to raise the blending limit when more testing data is available. EPA also announced that it has begun the process to craft the labeling requirements that will be necessary if the blending limit is raised. In March 2009, Growth Energy requested a waiver to allow for the use of up to 15 percent ethanol in gasoline, an increase of five percent points. Under the Clean Air Act, EPA was required to respond to the waiver request by December 1, 2009. EPA has been evaluating the group's request and has received a broad range of public comments as part of the administrative rulemaking process. EPA and the Department of Energy also undertook a number of studies to determine whether cars could handle higher ethanol blends. Testing has been proceeding as quickly as possible given the available testing facilities. You are subscribed as sunbeamtiger@prodigy.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 1 10:44:42 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , " Mark \(GE Indust ConsInd\)Rense" Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:21:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment Most gas stations in Canada (at least here in Alberta). What specifically is it that isn't working? You will have to jet richer if they up the ethanol content, but as a bonus you can probably advance the timing because the ethanol is more detonation resistant. Cheers, Theo (it's supposed to go to -28C later this week... Not everything is rosy) > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul R Sheahan > Sent: December 1, 2009 9:54 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net; Mark (GE Indust ConsInd)Rense > Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment > > Who is selling fuel with no ethanol? > > Paul > Paul R Sheahan _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 1 10:45:20 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:21:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment VP Racing, F/L, Sunoco Racing :) ----- Original Message ---- From: Paul R Sheahan To: tigers@autox.team.net; Mark (GE Indust ConsInd)Rense Sent: Tue, December 1, 2009 8:54:20 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment Who is selling fuel with no ethanol? Paul Paul R Sheahan "Live every day as if it were your last" "Get busy living or get busy dying" --- On Tue, 12/1/09, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) wrote: From: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Subject: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 11:30 AM I don't know about you, but my Tigers don't like E10 fuel, now we will be faced with E15 before too long. This is all due to the corn ethanol industry lobbying to bail themselves out of financial trouble. EPA Notifies Industry Group on Status of Ethanol Waiver Request Release date: 12/01/2009 Contact Information: Deb Berlin, berlin.deb@epa.gov, 202-564-4914, 202-564-4355 WASHINGTON - The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) today announced that it expects to make a final determination in mid-2010 regarding whether to increase the allowable ethanol content in fuel. In a letter sent today to Growth Energy - a bio fuels industry association that had asked EPA to grant a waiver that would allow for the use of up to 15 percent of ethanol in gasoline - the agency said that while not all tests have been completed, the results of two tests indicate that engines in newer cars likely can handle an ethanol blend higher than the current 10-percent limit. The agency will decide whether to raise the blending limit when more testing data is available. EPA also announced that it has begun the process to craft the labeling requirements that will be necessary if the blending limit is raised. In March 2009, Growth Energy requested a waiver to allow for the use of up to 15 percent ethanol in gasoline, an increase of five percent points. Under the Clean Air Act, EPA was required to respond to the waiver request by December 1, 2009. EPA has been evaluating the group's request and has received a broad range of public comments as part of the administrative rulemaking process. EPA and the Department of Energy also undertook a number of studies to determine whether cars could handle higher ethanol blends. Testing has been proceeding as quickly as possible given the available testing facilities. You are subscribed as sunbeamtiger@prodigy.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 1 10:45:26 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:26:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] water pumps and hubs Not sure if you can press it further down, but on the Edelbrock pump I got you can just press it back, I don't have it handy to tell you how far I pushed it but it was enough to use Dale's pulleys. He uses that pump as well on his car as Tim Ronak did (he did an article a while back on it). http://www.bleachburnout.com/blog/2007/09/07/nothing-new/ Scroll way down you can see some pics Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "spook01@comcast.net" To: tigers Sent: Tue, December 1, 2009 8:34:11 AM Subject: [Tigers] water pumps and hubs hello all,B a quick question regarding water pumps on the 302 option. can you press a hub further down on the hd aftermarket pumps to use it on the tiger with a 302?B or do i need to press off the hub on my 260 type pump and put it on the new pump? seems like the mustangs used a body to hub measurement of 5.7".....but the tigger is different. i used the old 260 pump for years, but it really is out of it's depth with a larger engine what with the open impellor and all. thanks, rayB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 1 11:41:10 2009 From: "Jerry & Maureen \(Mo\)" To: , "'tigers'" Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:23:44 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] water pumps and hubs Ray, I used the Edelbrock #8842 water pump on my 302 and did press the hub back further. It's been 9 years ago and I can't remember just how far I pressed it back, but it can be done. That pump and other newer ones have a stepped shaft where the tip of the shaft is the same size as the older ones (.625) however about .550 inch back the shaft enlarges up to .747 this is to facilitate a larger bearing inside the pump (a good thing). If you are carful you can press the hub back just far enough that you get alignment with the engine pulley. One thing to watch is the water pump pulley becoming close to one of the bolts on the water pump, the one that's about at the ten o'clock position (viewed from the front) mine is about .300 of an inch clearance. Also if you are using the original water pump pulley that has the one inch center hole you might consider using the various ways people have discussed of making an adapter that will take up the space between the one inch hole in the pulley and the .625 shaft. What I did was to machine .050 off the face of the hub down to and leaving a one inch diameter protrusion that the pulley will index on, the pulley is approx. .100 thick (if I remember) this way you are assured that when you tighten it all up the pulley isn't high centering. It would be very easy to just use the bolts to do the centering, but that wouldn't necessarily guarantee the pulley would run true. Measure, measure, measure and machine once. ;) Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spook01@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:34 AM To: tigers Subject: [Tigers] water pumps and hubs hello all,B a quick question regarding water pumps on the 302 option. can you press a hub further down on the hd aftermarket pumps to use it on the tiger with a 302?B or do i need to press off the hub on my 260 type pump and put it on the new pump? seems like the mustangs used a body to hub measurement of 5.7".....but the tigger is different. i used the old 260 pump for years, but it really is out of it's depth with a larger engine what with the open impellor and all. thanks, rayB You are subscribed as jcmc2006@suddenlink.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 1 12:13:16 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: "Jerry & Maureen \(Mo\)" , Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:56:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] water pumps and hubs Jerry - I think that's the pump (#8842) I have as well. When Tim was working on it he got a bronze bushing from McMaster Carr for the .625" to 1" shaft size change. And as others have said measure measures measure. I pushed the flange a bit far back on the initial try but figured out how to move it forward after over use of the the press. Also one other tip make sure you have the pump housing and all gaskets set up to get it aligned just right all that crap adds up a bit. I have a set of Dale's pullys and don't think I have any bolt issues (yet). Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Jerry & Maureen (Mo) To: spook01@comcast.net; tigers Sent: Tue, December 1, 2009 10:23:44 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] water pumps and hubs Ray, I used the Edelbrock #8842 water pump on my 302 and did press the hub back further. It's been 9 years ago and I can't remember just how far I pressed it back, but it can be done. That pump and other newer ones have a stepped shaft where the tip of the shaft is the same size as the older ones (.625) however about .550 inch back the shaft enlarges up to .747 this is to facilitate a larger bearing inside the pump (a good thing). If you are carful you can press the hub back just far enough that you get alignment with the engine pulley. One thing to watch is the water pump pulley becoming close to one of the bolts on the water pump, the one that's about at the ten o'clock position (viewed from the front) mine is about .300 of an inch clearance. Also if you are using the original water pump pulley that has the one inch center hole you might consider using the various ways people have discussed of making an adapter that will take up the space between the one inch hole in the pulley and the .625 shaft. What I did was to machine .050 off the face of the hub down to and leaving a one inch diameter protrusion that the pulley will index on, the pulley is approx. .100 thick (if I remember) this way you are assured that when you tighten it all up the pulley isn't high centering. It would be very easy to just use the bolts to do the centering, but that wouldn't necessarily guarantee the pulley would run true. Measure, measure, measure and machine once. ;) Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spook01@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:34 AM To: tigers Subject: [Tigers] water pumps and hubs hello all,B a quick question regarding water pumps on the 302 option. can you press a hub further down on the hd aftermarket pumps to use it on the tiger with a 302?B or do i need to press off the hub on my 260 type pump and put it on the new pump? seems like the mustangs used a body to hub measurement of 5.7".....but the tigger is different. i used the old 260 pump for years, but it really is out of it's depth with a larger engine what with the open impellor and all. thanks, rayB You are subscribed as jcmc2006@suddenlink.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 1 12:52:09 2009 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, Paul R Sheahan , " Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:28:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment Paul: Here in Oklahoma, Valero stations go to great lengths to inform their customers that their fuel is 100% gasoline. Each pump has a placard on it describing the benefits of using pure gas over E-10. So, right now, we have the luxury of being able to get pure gas. How long that will last is anybody's guess, though. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740) B9006857LRX ---- Paul R Sheahan wrote: > Who is selling fuel with no ethanol? > > Paul > Paul R Sheahan > > "Live every day as if it were your last" > "Get busy living or get busy dying" > > --- On Tue, 12/1/09, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) > wrote: > > > From: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) > Subject: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 11:30 AM > > > I don't know about you, but my Tigers don't like E10 fuel, now we will > be faced with E15 before too long. This is all due to the corn ethanol > industry lobbying to bail themselves out of financial trouble. > > > EPA Notifies Industry Group on Status of Ethanol Waiver Request > > > Release date: 12/01/2009 > > Contact Information: Deb Berlin, berlin.deb@epa.gov, 202-564-4914, > 202-564-4355 > > > WASHINGTON - The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) today > announced that it expects to make a final determination in mid-2010 > regarding whether to increase the allowable ethanol content in fuel. > > In a letter sent today to Growth Energy - a bio fuels industry > association that had asked EPA to grant a waiver that would allow for > the use of up to 15 percent of ethanol in gasoline - the agency said > that while not all tests have been completed, the results of two tests > indicate that engines in newer cars likely can handle an ethanol blend > higher than the current 10-percent limit. The agency will decide whether > to raise the blending limit when more testing data is available. EPA > also announced that it has begun the process to craft the labeling > requirements that will be necessary if the blending limit is raised. > > In March 2009, Growth Energy requested a waiver to allow for the use of > up to 15 percent ethanol in gasoline, an increase of five percent > points. Under the Clean Air Act, EPA was required to respond to the > waiver request by December 1, 2009. EPA has been evaluating the group's > request and has received a broad range of public comments as part of the > administrative rulemaking process. EPA and the Department of Energy also > undertook a number of studies to determine whether cars could handle > higher ethanol blends. Testing has been proceeding as quickly as > possible given the available testing facilities. > You are subscribed as sunbeamtiger@prodigy.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as awtiger@cox.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 1 16:42:13 2009 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: mark.rense@ge.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:36:39 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment In my area (Eastern PA), at least, Shell gas says there is no ethanol in their gas. Fred Baum _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 1 16:42:23 2009 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: sunbeamtiger@prodigy.net, tigers@autox.team.net, mark.rense@ge.com Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:37:47 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment Shell oil in my area Eastern PA). Fred Baum In a message dated 12/1/2009 12:17:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sunbeamtiger@prodigy.net writes: Who is selling fuel with no ethanol? Paul Paul R Sheahan "Live every day as if it were your last" "Get busy living or get busy dying" --- On Tue, 12/1/09, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) wrote: From: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Subject: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 11:30 AM I don't know about you, but my Tigers don't like E10 fuel, now we will be faced with E15 before too long. This is all due to the corn ethanol industry lobbying to bail themselves out of financial trouble. EPA Notifies Industry Group on Status of Ethanol Waiver Request Release date: 12/01/2009 Contact Information: Deb Berlin, berlin.deb@epa.gov, 202-564-4914, 202-564-4355 WASHINGTON - The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) today announced that it expects to make a final determination in mid-2010 regarding whether to increase the allowable ethanol content in fuel. In a letter sent today to Growth Energy - a bio fuels industry association that had asked EPA to grant a waiver that would allow for the use of up to 15 percent of ethanol in gasoline - the agency said that while not all tests have been completed, the results of two tests indicate that engines in newer cars likely can handle an ethanol blend higher than the current 10-percent limit. The agency will decide whether to raise the blending limit when more testing data is available. EPA also announced that it has begun the process to craft the labeling requirements that will be necessary if the blending limit is raised. In March 2009, Growth Energy requested a waiver to allow for the use of up to 15 percent ethanol in gasoline, an increase of five percent points. Under the Clean Air Act, EPA was required to respond to the waiver request by December 1, 2009. EPA has been evaluating the group's request and has received a broad range of public comments as part of the administrative rulemaking process. EPA and the Department of Energy also undertook a number of studies to determine whether cars could handle higher ethanol blends. Testing has been proceeding as quickly as possible given the available testing facilities. You are subscribed as sunbeamtiger@prodigy.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as fhsloth13@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 1 17:09:57 2009 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: , , Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:44:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment Your local airport. 100LL should run fine. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations NetJets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. 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Dan Cordray > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:54:20 -0800 > From: sunbeamtiger@prodigy.net > To: tigers@autox.team.net; mark.rense@ge.com > Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment > > Who is selling fuel with no ethanol? > > Paul > Paul R Sheahan > _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/videos-tours.aspx?h=7sec&slideid=1 &media=aero-shake-7second&listid=1&stop=1&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-U S:WWL_WIN_7secdemo:122009 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 1 17:28:37 2009 From: spook01@comcast.net To: awtiger@cox.net Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 00:16:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment just found out that valero sells gasoline here in tn. as well.B i intend to fill up with their fuel and see if and how much of an increase in mileage i obtain. ray ----- Original Message ----- From: awtiger @cox.net To: tigers@ autox .team.net, "Paul R Sheahan " < sunbeamtiger @prodigy.net>, "Mark (GE Indust ConsInd ) Rense " Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2009 1:28:06 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment Paul: Here in Oklahoma, Valero stations go to great lengths to inform their customers that their fuel is 100% gasoline. B Each pump has a placard on it describing the benefits of using pure gas over E-10. B So, right now, we have the luxury of being able to get pure gas. B How long that will last is anybody's guess, though. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE ( TAC #740) B9006857LRX ---- Paul R Sheahan < sunbeamtiger @prodigy.net> wrote: > Who is selling fuel with no ethanol? > > Paul > Paul R Sheahan > > "Live every day as if it were your last" > "Get busy living or get busy dying" > > --- On Tue, 12/1/09, Rense , Mark (GE Indust , ConsInd ) > wrote: > > > From: Rense , Mark (GE Indust , ConsInd ) > Subject: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment > To: tigers@ autox .team.net > Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 11:30 AM > > > I don't know about you, but my Tigers don't like E10 fuel, now we will > be faced with E15 before too long. This is all due to the corn ethanol > industry lobbying to bail themselves out of financial trouble. > > > EPA Notifies Industry Group on Status of Ethanol Waiver Request > > > Release date: 12/01/2009 > > Contact Information: Deb Berlin, berlin .deb@ epa .gov, 202-564-4914, > 202-564-4355 > > > WASHINGTON - The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) today > announced that it expects to make a final determination in mid-2010 > regarding whether to increase the allowable ethanol content in fuel. > > In a letter sent today to Growth Energy - a bio fuels industry > association that had asked EPA to grant a waiver that would allow for > the use of up to 15 percent of ethanol in gasoline - the agency said > that while not all tests have been completed, the results of two tests > indicate that engines in newer cars likely can handle an ethanol blend > higher than the current 10-percent limit. The agency will decide whether > to raise the blending limit when more testing data is available. EPA > also announced that it has begun the process to craft the labeling > requirements that will be necessary if the blending limit is raised. > > In March 2009, Growth Energy requested a waiver to allow for the use of > up to 15 percent ethanol in gasoline, an increase of five percent > points. Under the Clean Air Act, EPA was required to respond to the > waiver request by December 1, 2009. EPA has been evaluating the group's > request and has received a broad range of public comments as part of the > administrative rulemaking process. EPA and the Department of Energy also > undertook a number of studies to determine whether cars could handle > higher ethanol blends. Testing has been proceeding as quickly as > possible given the available testing facilities. > You are subscribed as sunbeamtiger @prodigy.net > > Tigers@ autox .team.net > http :// autox .team.net/mailman/ listinfo /tigers > > http :// www .team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net B http :// www .team.net/donate. html > > You are subscribed as awtiger @cox.net > > Tigers@ autox .team.net > http :// autox .team.net/mailman/ listinfo /tigers > > http :// www .team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net B http :// www .team.net/donate. html You are subscribed as spook01@comcast.net Tigers@ autox .team.net http :// autox .team.net/mailman/ listinfo /tigers http :// www .team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 1 17:55:23 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 17:32:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment Back when Race City (Calgary's local racing facility - RIP as of a few weeks ago) first opened for road racing in 1987, some of us were using avgas to boost the octane content of the pump fuels. Then somebody in charge of something got wind of that, and next thing you know we had an official cease-and-desist notice from the DOT, the fire department, Transport Canada, you name it. They spot-checked people for a while to make sure that their gas wasn't green (the dye used in avgas) and that pretty much killed under-the-table dealing in avgas in the area. The official reason was that avgas wasn't taxed for use as a road-transportation motor fuel and that's why you weren't allowed to use it in cars. Maybe the VP Racing and Sunoco dealers were angling for increased sales... Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dan Cordray > Sent: December 1, 2009 4:50 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment > > I don't know for sure, but you might try places like marinas > or airports. I have no doubt the fuel will not be cheap, however. > > > > Dan Cordray _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 1 19:31:40 2009 From: George Re To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 02:01:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] vent window Group I want to thank you for the help locating the vent window that I need for my tiger. Thanks Again George Re _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 1 21:17:08 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , "'Steve Laifman'" Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:44:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel pumps Ray Are you referring to Dave DuBois? His name usually pops up and I believe he lists a couple others who also rebuild SU pumps. http://homepages.donobi.net/sufuelpumps/sufuelpumparticles.html According to the Shop Manual our SU pumps are good for 15 gallons per hour at about 2 psi. This will support up to around 200 HP which is fine for stock 260 or 289 engines in the Tiger. If you are running higher HP or at high rpm's for extended periods you will need a higher flow rate pump. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spook01@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:40 AM To: Steve Laifman Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel pumps steve,B there is someone on the mg tabc list that rebuilds the su pumps properly.B he does them stock or electronic.B he has done three for me and knows his stuff. the one on the riley has been working for at least 9 years.B i have his address somewhere in my multitudinous car files! he is out in socal as i remember. if anyone is interested, write me and i will put you in touch. rayB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 2 11:44:26 2009 From: "Jerry & Maureen \(Mo\)" To: "'Smit, Theo'" , Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:17:18 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment When I was flying old round engines (B-17, PV-2s, DC-4s) we used "tank solvent" (100LL) to wash down the engines after each flight. I got use to using it for cleaning parts and things and I was informed that they couldn't sell it to me for auto use so I said it was for cleaning purposes only, they had no problem selling it for that purpose. ;) Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Smit, Theo Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 6:33 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment Back when Race City (Calgary's local racing facility - RIP as of a few weeks ago) first opened for road racing in 1987, some of us were using avgas to boost the octane content of the pump fuels. Then somebody in charge of something got wind of that, and next thing you know we had an official cease-and-desist notice from the DOT, the fire department, Transport Canada, you name it. They spot-checked people for a while to make sure that their gas wasn't green (the dye used in avgas) and that pretty much killed under-the-table dealing in avgas in the area. The official reason was that avgas wasn't taxed for use as a road-transportation motor fuel and that's why you weren't allowed to use it in cars. Maybe the VP Racing and Sunoco dealers were angling for increased sales... Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dan Cordray > Sent: December 1, 2009 4:50 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment > > I don't know for sure, but you might try places like marinas > or airports. I have no doubt the fuel will not be cheap, however. > > > > Dan Cordray You are subscribed as jcmc2006@suddenlink.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 2 12:19:13 2009 From: To: "tigers@autox.team.net" , drmayf@mayfco.com, Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:29:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Team Net Forum... There is already a Sunbeam Alpine Owners Forum with a Tiger section. http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/ A Tigers East Alpines East Forum http://teae.org/forum/ A California Association of Sunbeam Tiger Owners (CAT) Forum http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/index.php And of course this list, there may also be others. There are also many non discussion websites most notably Tigers United and Norm Miller's. I'm very grateful for the efforts of Tiger owners to save and distribute information but consolidation rather than expansion of places to look would be nice. Steve ---- drmayf wrote: > Mark seems to have been ahead of us all along. He has set up a straw > horse of a froum web site. right now it does not have Tigeres or > SAlpines on it but I suspect if you ask nice then it might be added. > Take a look at the beginnigs... not my cup of tea but a lot of you asked > for it so maybe this is it! > > http://www.team.net/forums/ > > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten@ca.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 2 13:37:32 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:55:05 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Team Net Forum... In the vein of 'consolidation', I'd put in my request for *no* sub-forums, other than the marque/model (i.e. one for Tigers, one for Alpines). But really I'm with Mayf on this... Email is a nice lightweight way to push the info out to everyone. Pictures are best shared in a forum (so that you have a choice as to whether or not you upload them). I guess we'll see how things develop. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten@ca.rr.com > Sent: December 2, 2009 11:30 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net; drmayf@mayfco.com; Alpines > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Team Net Forum... > > There is already a Sunbeam Alpine Owners Forum with a Tiger section. > http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/ > > A Tigers East Alpines East Forum > http://teae.org/forum/ > > A California Association of Sunbeam Tiger Owners (CAT) Forum > http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/index.php > > And of course this list, there may also be others. There are > also many non discussion websites most notably Tigers United > and Norm Miller's. I'm very grateful for the efforts of > Tiger owners to save and distribute information but > consolidation rather than expansion of places to look would be nice. > > Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 2 16:03:19 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: sralsten@ca.rr.com Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:14:14 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Team Net Forum... Steve R., Thanks for your summary of "Tiger Lore". I have always looked at the TigersUnited.com site as a detailed reference, and a "how to" compendium that elaborates recurring issues for the Tiger. It is a handy reference covering the detailed and illustrated issues. A great many List members have contributed to it's searchable, illustrated content. Of course it does not contain EVERYTHING, but it is fully illustrated. AND, it would not exist except for contributions by knowledgeable participants, and a html link to specific subjects. ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com sralsten@ca.rr.com wrote: > There is already a Sunbeam Alpine Owners Forum with a Tiger section. > http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/ > > A Tigers East Alpines East Forum > http://teae.org/forum/ > > A California Association of Sunbeam Tiger Owners (CAT) Forum > http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/index.php > > And of course this list, there may also be others. There are also many non discussion websites > most notably Tigers United and Norm Miller's. I'm very grateful for the > efforts of Tiger owners to save and distribute information but consolidation rather than expansion > of places to look would be nice. > > Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 2 16:08:36 2009 From: Dan Cordray To: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:31:50 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Team Net Forum... Me too. Dan Cordray > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:55:05 -0700 > From: Theo.Smit@dynastream.com > To: tigers@autox.team.net; drmayf@mayfco.com > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Team Net Forum... > > In the vein of 'consolidation', I'd put in my request for *no* > sub-forums, other than the marque/model (i.e. one for Tigers, one for > Alpines). But really I'm with Mayf on this... Email is a nice > lightweight way to push the info out to everyone. Pictures are best > shared in a forum (so that you have a choice as to whether or not you > upload them). I guess we'll see how things develop. > > Theo > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten@ca.rr.com > > Sent: December 2, 2009 11:30 AM > > To: tigers@autox.team.net; drmayf@mayfco.com; Alpines > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Team Net Forum... > > > > There is already a Sunbeam Alpine Owners Forum with a Tiger section. > > http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/ > > > > A Tigers East Alpines East Forum > > http://teae.org/forum/ > > > > A California Association of Sunbeam Tiger Owners (CAT) Forum > > http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/index.php > > > > And of course this list, there may also be others. There are > > also many non discussion websites most notably Tigers United > > and Norm Miller's. I'm very grateful for the efforts of > > Tiger owners to save and distribute information but > > consolidation rather than expansion of places to look would be nice. > > > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as dcordray82@hotmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail gives you a free,exclusive gift. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?oci d=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_7:092009 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 2 17:02:12 2009 From: "Buck Trippel" To: Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:15:04 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] CAT Election Meeting Tonight Sorry to bomb but for CAT members there's the annual election meeting tonight at 7:30 at Bud's in Anaheim. Details at http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-12-2&e=16&c=1 Buck Trippel _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 2 17:41:42 2009 From: "Baker, Kent" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:18:38 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Door hinges Work continues on the restoration, but I find the door hinges to be somewhat permanently attached to the doors even when using an impact wrench. That made me wonder if I am missing some secret Tiger knowledge about how to remove the hinges from the door other than more penetrant, a bigger wrench, or hammer, etc. Feels like something other than rust alone is keeping the two from separating. Suggestions? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 2 17:43:14 2009 From: "Robert Jaarsma" To: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:24:50 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Team Net Forum... Steve, I totally agree with you, .."How MANY forums and lists can I check!", if I still want to get some work done also. Some of us at Tigers East / Alpines East have been advocating consolidation. How much of a Tiger does pertain to an Alpine and visa versa. Interior, paint, lights, etc. it is all the same. If there are specific wishes, please contact the TEAE forum and let it be known, work on that forum and website are being done as we speak (write!) a lot can be accommodated, by making the wishes of the ROOTES community known. I have to look around a lot since I have two Tigers (Mk1 and Mk1A) and two Venezias. Robert Steve wrote: There is already a Sunbeam Alpine Owners Forum with a Tiger section. http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/ A Tigers East Alpines East Forum http://teae.org/forum/ A California Association of Sunbeam Tiger Owners (CAT) Forum http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/index.php And of course this list, there may also be others. There are also many non discussion websites most notably Tigers United and Norm Miller's. I'm very grateful for the efforts of Tiger owners to save and distribute information but consolidation rather than expansion of places to look would be nice. Steve http://www.team.net/forums/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 2 22:14:00 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:36:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Rearview Mirror Well the old plastic backing on my mirror finally rotted completely out. In poking around on the web and deciding that I was going to make a new bracket and get a regular mirror when I came across what might just be perfect Tiger replacement Mirror (for me at least). http://www.bandkmfg.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=35 http://www.bandkmfg.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=35&products_id=96 I picked up one of the billet mirrors with the flat windshield mount for about $45 bucks. It is the exact same size as the tiny Tiger mirror and really nicely made. The slope of the windshield looks like it would be about at the adjustment limit with the flat glue mount on initial testing, but still might be ok as the mirror has a ton of adjustment with the way the back is notched. BUT they do have a high slope base as well which will work too! About the only thing that is in question is it's a bit heavy so hopefully the glue is strong. I'd post a picture here but you know how that goes :) But I'll get some detailed shots on my site when I get a breather. Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 3 00:27:49 2009 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: "'Sandy Ganz'" , Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 00:57:41 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rearview Mirror Sandy, et al, That looks like a very nice piece. I wouldn't expect a problem with the glue since it looks like they cater to off-roaders. A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:36 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Rearview Mirror > > Well the old plastic backing on my mirror finally rotted > completely out. In poking around on the web and deciding that > I was going to make a new bracket and get a regular mirror > when I came across what might just be perfect Tiger > replacement Mirror (for me at least). > http://www.bandkmfg.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=35 > http://www.bandkmfg.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=35&prod ucts_id=96 > > I > picked up one of the billet mirrors with the flat windshield > mount for about > $45 bucks. It is the exact same size as the tiny Tiger mirror > and really nicely made. The slope of the windshield looks > like it would be about at the adjustment limit with the flat > glue mount on initial testing, but still might be ok as the > mirror has a ton of adjustment with the way the back is notched. > BUT they do have a high slope base as well which will work too! > > About the > only thing that is in question is it's a bit heavy so > hopefully the glue is strong. > > I'd post a picture here but you know how that goes :) But > I'll get some detailed shots on my site when I get a breather. > > Sandy > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as v8tracker@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 3 00:42:18 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: "A. C. Tynes" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:19:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear view Mirror Yeah, that is what I was thinking too, but most of the mounts look like they are for things like Roll Bar, window frame, etc. I'm going to give it a try, can't be as bad a 2 rubber bands holding my pitted and spotty mirror together! I hope it works as for those (alpine/tiger) that might need a replacement and are not so concerned with an original it's a nice easy upgrade. They did also have one a bit taller but this one is sized just like the old one so figured stick with it. Looks good in black or polished chrome (I went with black). The glue is just the regular auto parts mirror glue I picked up at the store, but should be fine for starters. On less expensive part to have to get now! And yes, it was very solid and nicely machined, Local california guy too. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: A. C. Tynes To: Sandy Ganz ; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, December 2, 2009 10:57:41 PM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Rearview Mirror Sandy, et al, That looks like a very nice piece. I wouldn't expect a problem with the glue since it looks like they cater to off-roaders. A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:36 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Rearview Mirror > > Well the old plastic backing on my mirror finally rotted > completely out. In poking around on the web and deciding that > I was going to make a new bracket and get a regular mirror > when I came across what might just be perfect Tiger > replacement Mirror (for me at least). > http://www.bandkmfg.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=35 > http://www.bandkmfg.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=35&prod ucts_id=96 > > I > picked up one of the billet mirrors with the flat windshield > mount for about > $45 bucks. It is the exact same size as the tiny Tiger mirror > and really nicely made. The slope of the windshield looks > like it would be about at the adjustment limit with the flat > glue mount on initial testing, but still might be ok as the > mirror has a ton of adjustment with the way the back is notched. > BUT they do have a high slope base as well which will work too! > > About the > only thing that is in question is it's a bit heavy so > hopefully the glue is strong. > > I'd post a picture here but you know how that goes :) But > I'll get some detailed shots on my site when I get a breather. > > Sandy > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as v8tracker@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 3 00:43:06 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:23:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] LA Shelby Club BBQ Sat Dec 5th If anyone has some free time stop on by the L.A. Shelby Clubs annual BBQ down in the West Los Angeles Area. Here is the info from their site, Toy drive, etc. http://www.lasaac.org/ Enjoy! Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 3 07:33:25 2009 From: "Greg Koss" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:10:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Door hinges I have used a hand held hammer impact with success. Are you spraying penetrant on the inside also? >>> "Baker, Kent" 12/2/2009 7:18 PM >>> Work continues on the restoration, but I find the door hinges to be somewhat permanently attached to the doors even when using an impact wrench. That made me wonder if I am missing some secret Tiger knowledge about how to remove the hinges from the door other than more penetrant, a bigger wrench, or hammer, etc. Feels like something other than rust alone is keeping the two from separating. Suggestions? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 3 07:33:37 2009 From: michael king To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:17:31 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] MKI Tiger search Listers, I was wondering if anyone knew of a Tiger B9471586 LRXFE . It was apparently for sale on ebay in 2005 as a resto project, and the last known onver was a Rich Tuttle out of New Jersey. If anyone knows of the car, or knows a previous/current owner I would be interested in getting in contact with them. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 3 09:22:48 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:23:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Door hinges I second that. I have also used a large screwdriver with a square shank and vise grips to get extra torque on them. I have had very good success using 50/50 ATF and acetone also straight ATF as a penetrant and lubricant but you need to get it onto the threads which are behind the kick panel and door panel. I had one bolt, on another vehicle, that I could not budge and did not want to break that I was able to soak in ATF overnight; it took only light effort to move after the soaking. Not that you can dip the car in ATF but you can apply and let the ATF soak in for a time including overnight. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Koss Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 8:11 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Door hinges I have used a hand held hammer impact with success. Are you spraying penetrant on the inside also? >>> "Baker, Kent" 12/2/2009 7:18 PM >>> Work continues on the restoration, but I find the door hinges to be somewhat permanently attached to the doors even when using an impact wrench. That made me wonder if I am missing some secret Tiger knowledge about how to remove the hinges from the door other than more penetrant, a bigger wrench, or hammer, etc. Feels like something other than rust alone is keeping the two from separating. Suggestions? You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.90/2540 - Release Date: 12/03/09 07:32:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 3 11:48:08 2009 From: David T Johnson To: tigers@autox.team.net, Sandy Ganz Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:20:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rearview Mirror I went to the local Pick-A-Part and snagged a rearview mirror with the metal mounting plate that's glued to the windshield. Price <$10. I preferred a day/night mirror. Almost any make in the yard will do. Remove the orginal mirror and arm but retain for concurs judging. Before judging remove the modern mirror and install the orginal mirror. A bonus with the day/night is the ability to flip the mirror when a SUV or Pickup is behind you with its lights aimed high. --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Sandy Ganz wrote: From: Sandy Ganz Subject: [Tigers] Rearview Mirror To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 4:36 AM Well the old plastic backing on my mirror finally rotted completely out. In poking around on the web and deciding that I was going to make a new bracket and get a regular mirror when I came across what might just be perfect Tiger replacement Mirror (for me at least). http://www.bandkmfg.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=35 http://www.bandkmfg.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=35&products_id=96 I picked up one of the billet mirrors with the flat windshield mount for about $45 bucks. It is the exact same size as the tiny Tiger mirror and really nicely made. The slope of the windshield looks like it would be about at the adjustment limit with the flat glue mount on initial testing, but still might be ok as the mirror has a ton of adjustment with the way the back is notched. BUT they do have a high slope base as well which will work too! About the only thing that is in question is it's a bit heavy so hopefully the glue is strong. I'd post a picture here but you know how that goes :) But I'll get some detailed shots on my site when I get a breather. Sandy You are subscribed as djoh797014@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 3 11:49:03 2009 From: "Jerry & Maureen \(Mo\)" To: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:34:27 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Steering wheel wood List, A friend of mine is trying to determine what kind of wood the Tiger steering wheel is made of. I know there was talk about this a while ago, but I don't remember what was said of the type of wood it is. When I did mine I remember it was very soft. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 3 15:09:32 2009 From: David Sosna To: Lee Daniels Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:10:30 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering wheel wood Looks like teak or mahogany. I'd say mahogany. Best Regards David Sosna Jerry & Maureen (Mo) wrote: > List, > > > > A friend of mine is trying to determine what kind of wood the Tiger steering > wheel is made of. I know there was talk about this a while ago, but I don't > remember what was said of the type of wood it is. When I did mine I > remember it was very soft. > > > > Jerry Christopherson > > 9473187 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sosnaenergyconsulting@cox.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4658 (20091203) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 3 17:38:58 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: djoh797014@yahoo.com, tigers@autox.team.net, sganz@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:33:03 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rearview Mirror I'm curious....how did you get the mirror off the windshield of the Pick-A_Part car? Mark L In a message dated 12/3/2009 10:47:57 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, djoh797014@yahoo.com writes: I went to the local Pick-A-Part and snagged a rearview mirror with the metal mounting plate that's glued to the windshield. Price <$10. I preferred a day/night mirror. Almost any make in the yard will do. Remove the orginal mirror and arm but retain for concurs judging. Before judging remove the modern mirror and install the orginal mirror. A bonus with the day/night is the ability to flip the mirror when a SUV or Pickup is behind you with its lights aimed high. --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Sandy Ganz wrote: From: Sandy Ganz Subject: [Tigers] Rearview Mirror To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 4:36 AM Well the old plastic backing on my mirror finally rotted completely out. In poking around on the web and deciding that I was going to make a new bracket and get a regular mirror when I came across what might just be perfect Tiger replacement Mirror (for me at least). http://www.bandkmfg.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=35 http://www.bandkmfg.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=35&products_id=96 I picked up one of the billet mirrors with the flat windshield mount for about $45 bucks. It is the exact same size as the tiny Tiger mirror and really nicely made. The slope of the windshield looks like it would be about at the adjustment limit with the flat glue mount on initial testing, but still might be ok as the mirror has a ton of adjustment with the way the back is notched. BUT they do have a high slope base as well which will work too! About the only thing that is in question is it's a bit heavy so hopefully the glue is strong. I'd post a picture here but you know how that goes :) But I'll get some detailed shots on my site when I get a breather. Sandy You are subscribed as djoh797014@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as coolvt@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 3 17:39:44 2009 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: "'michael king'" , Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:34:46 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] MKI Tiger search Michael, This is a real shot in the dark and probably of no value, but there is a very slight chance that I bought this car new. Perhaps a better chance if it has a Ford factory manifold with an Autolite four barrel. I now have no record of my car's VIN, but this is one of about 50 possibilities based on the build date and 53 paint code. I bought the car in Baton Rouge, Louisiana in 1965 and my brother traded it in on a Pontiac Firebird while on vacation in Los Angeles in 1968 or '69. If you get any indication the car was in either area during that time period, let me know and I'll be glad to tell you what I can. Good luck, A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:18 AM > To: Tiger Talk List Tiger > Subject: [Tigers] MKI Tiger search > > Listers, > > I was wondering if anyone knew of a Tiger B9471586 LRXFE . > > It was apparently for sale on ebay in 2005 as a resto > project, and the last known onver was a Rich Tuttle out of New Jersey. > > If anyone knows of the car, or knows a previous/current owner > I would be interested in getting in contact with them. > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as v8tracker@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 3 22:28:29 2009 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "CoolVT@aol.com" , "djoh797014@yahoo.com" Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:43:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rearview Mirror My method for rear view mirror removal: place the tip of a flat blade screwdriver at the side of the glued on mirror base at the windshield, give a medium whack with the hammer of your choice and they usually pop free. I have used this method for years (15 times?) and have only cracked one windshield. I would not employ this method on any windshield I did not want to risk breaking. Like any windshield at the pick-a-park... Good luck! Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 2:33 PM To: djoh797014@yahoo.com; tigers@autox.team.net; sganz@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rearview Mirror I'm curious....how did you get the mirror off the windshield of the Pick-A_Part car? Mark L _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 3 22:29:56 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: "Teepen, Jere" , "CoolVT@aol.com" Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:53:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rearview Mirror If you need help in removing a windshield mirror I can have my 6 year old son come over and help. Some how he is good at it... Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "CoolVT@aol.com" ; "djoh797014@yahoo.com" ; "tigers@autox.team.net" ; "sganz@pacbell.net" Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 7:43:04 PM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Rearview Mirror My method for rear view mirror removal: place the tip of a flat blade screwdriver at the side of the glued on mirror base at the windshield, give a medium whack with the hammer of your choice and they usually pop free. I have used this method for years (15 times?) and have only cracked one windshield. I would not employ this method on any windshield I did not want to risk breaking. Like any windshield at the pick-a-park... Good luck! Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 2:33 PM To: djoh797014@yahoo.com; tigers@autox.team.net; sganz@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rearview Mirror I'm curious....how did you get the mirror off the windshield of the Pick-A_Part car? Mark L _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 4 16:10:21 2009 From: spook01@comcast.net To: "A. C. Tynes" Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:41:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] MKI Tiger search michael, is this your car now?B just curious.... B ---- Original Message ----- From: "A. C. Tynes" To: "michael king" , tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 4:34:46 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Tigers] MKI Tiger search Michael, This is a real shot in the dark and probably of no value, but there is a very slight chance that I bought this car new. Perhaps a better chance if it has a Ford factory manifold with an Autolite four barrel. I now have no record of my car's VIN, but this is one of about 50 possibilities based on the build date and 53 paint code. I bought the car in Baton Rouge, Louisiana in 1965 and my brother traded it in on a Pontiac Firebird while on vacation in Los Angeles in 1968 or '69. If you get any indication the car was in either area during that time period, let me know and I'll be glad to tell you what I can. Good luck, A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:18 AM > To: Tiger Talk List Tiger > Subject: [Tigers] MKI Tiger search > > Listers, > > I was wondering if anyone knew of a Tiger B9471586 LRXFE . > > It was apparently for sale on ebay in 2005 as a resto > project, and the last known onver was a Rich Tuttle out of New Jersey. > > If anyone knows of the car, or knows a previous/current owner > I would be interested in getting in contact with them. > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net B http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as v8tracker@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 7 17:16:39 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:04:21 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Nice Pair! Mayf, where'd you get those awesome headlight covers? That begs for a matching set of chromed/polished taillight fairings... Theo http://www.flickr.com/photos/hotrod100/3929698639/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 7 18:45:58 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:33:34 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Nice Pair! With a curved shape like that and the "mini skirt" below it had to be Victoria Secret! :-) Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 7 18:46:54 2009 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: Theo.Smit@dynastream.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:54:45 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Nice Pair! At a local car show put on for senior citizens, after looking at something similar on the grill of a 54 Caddy, one old woman remarked,"Those things need a bra." In a message dated 12/7/2009 4:15:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Theo.Smit@dynastream.com writes: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hotrod100/3929698639/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 7 20:16:36 2009 From: Gary To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:49:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Nice Pair! Didn't Madonna use a set of these once in concert?!!! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 7 20:16:45 2009 From: Tony McNulty To: CoolVT@aol.com, Theo.Smit@dynastream.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:52:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Nice Pair! so, the car's name is Marylyn? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Nice Pair! > At a local car show put on for senior citizens, after looking at something > similar on the grill of a 54 Caddy, one old woman remarked,"Those things > need a bra." > > > In a message dated 12/7/2009 4:15:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > Theo.Smit@dynastream.com writes: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/hotrod100/3929698639/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bamcnulty@optonline.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 7 20:19:13 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: "Smit, Theo" Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:13:33 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Nice Pair! Theo, that is indeed a nice pair. However, that is what Parumph is famous for. ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Smit, Theo wrote: > Mayf, where'd you get those awesome headlight covers? That begs for a matching > set of chromed/polished taillight fairings... > > Theo > http://www.flickr.com/photos/hotrod100/3929698639/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 7 21:46:37 2009 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: "'Tony McNulty'" , Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:39:02 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Nice Pair! Actually, the ones on the fifties Cadillacs were called "Dagmars" after the well-endowed actress of the same name. She was a bit before Monroe, Mansfield, et al. A. C. Tynes, who remembers the cars and the ladies > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony McNulty > Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:52 PM > To: CoolVT@aol.com; Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Nice Pair! > > so, the car's name is Marylyn? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Nice Pair! > > > > At a local car show put on for senior citizens, after > looking at something > > similar on the grill of a 54 Caddy, one old woman > remarked,"Those things > > need a bra." > > > > > > In a message dated 12/7/2009 4:15:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > Theo.Smit@dynastream.com writes: > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/hotrod100/3929698639/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as bamcnulty@optonline.net > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as v8tracker@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 8 06:32:14 2009 From: "Athena Scott" To: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:04:44 +0200 Subject: [Tigers] Con rods I bought a Tiger with a 260 motor. It could have been raced, and I am told the con rods on the 260 are weak and I should change to 289 con rods. This may have happened already. Can anybody tell me how I can distinguish between the 260 con rod numbers as opposed to the 289 con rods? Thanks Derek Scott B9480008 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 8 08:48:16 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Athena Scott'" , Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:26:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Con rods Derek The 62/63 con rod casting # is C2OE-A; the beam of this con rod visually narrows from the crank end to the piston end. The 63, 289 con rod casting # is C3AE-D; this con rod was used on the 64, 260/ 289 and from 65 to 68, 289. The beam of this con rod is straight and measures .68". The beam is looking line of sight straight across the 2 connecting bolts not looking at the crank or piston pin openings. The con rod casting # is near the crank end between the 2 ribs. The majority of Tiger 260 engines do not have these con rods possibly all of them but I don't know that for sure. Non of the B948 series Tigers would have the C2OE con rod Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Athena Scott Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:05 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Con rods I bought a Tiger with a 260 motor. It could have been raced, and I am told the con rods on the 260 are weak and I should change to 289 con rods. This may have happened already. Can anybody tell me how I can distinguish between the 260 con rod numbers as opposed to the 289 con rods? Thanks Derek Scott B9480008 You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.97/2550 - Release Date: 12/08/09 07:34:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 8 08:48:24 2009 From: Owain Lloyd To: Athena Scott Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:29:47 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Con rods i thought 260 and 289 rods were the same with the exception of the 289 hipo? pretty sure they are interchangeable but perhaps the 289 ones were better... others will no doubt chime in with better info but i don't think it would be top of my list. are you planning on racing it too? On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Athena Scott wrote: > I bought a Tiger with a 260 motor. It could have been raced, and I am told > the con rods on the 260 are weak and I should change to 289 con rods. This > may have happened already. Can anybody tell me how I can distinguish > between the 260 con rod numbers as opposed to the 289 con rods? > > > > Thanks > > Derek Scott > > B9480008 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 8 10:14:57 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Athena Scott , owain.lloyd@gmail.com Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:58:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Con rods Owain- does the 260 and 289 have the same stroke. I was thinking 260s have longer rods ????????????? --- On Tue, 12/8/09, Owain Lloyd wrote: From: Owain Lloyd Subject: Re: [Tigers] Con rods To: "Athena Scott" Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 8:29 AM i thought 260 and 289 rods were the same with the exception of the 289 hipo? pretty sure they are interchangeable but perhaps the 289 ones were better... others will no doubt chime in with better info but i don't think it would be top of my list. are you planning on racing it too? On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Athena Scott wrote: > I bought a Tiger with a 260 motor. It could have been raced, and I am told > the con rods on the 260 are weak and I should change to 289 con rods. This > may have happened already. Can anybody tell me how I can distinguish > between the 260 con rod numbers as opposed to the 289 con rods? > > > > Thanks > > Derek Scott > > B9480008 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 8 10:16:46 2009 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:23:14 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Steering Column Circlip Hello All: Somewhere in the process of having my steering column removed, shipped out, rebuilt and then reinstalled, the nylon "inner column extension bolt circlip", PN 1206701 on my Tiger disappeared. Does anyone have a source for this part or have one they would part with for a reasonable price? Many thanks, Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 8 10:16:52 2009 From: Owain Lloyd To: Tony Somebody Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:29:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Con rods 260 = 2.87 stroke / 3.8 bore 289 = 2.87 stroke / 4 bore 302 = 3.06? stroke / 4 bore that's why 260 pistons are hard to get relative to 289 pistons. because 289 has 302 piston sizes. also, i _think_ 289 hipo rod is same dimensions as boss 302 rod, as boss 302 used a different crank but i could be wrong. just something i remembered reading. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Tony Somebody wrote: > Owain- does the 260 and 289 have the same stroke. I was thinking 260s have > longer > rods ????????????? > --- On *Tue, 12/8/09, Owain Lloyd * wrote: > > > From: Owain Lloyd > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Con rods > To: "Athena Scott" > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 8:29 AM > > i thought 260 and 289 rods were the same with the exception of the 289 > hipo? > > pretty sure they are interchangeable but perhaps the 289 ones were > better... > > others will no doubt chime in with better info but i don't think it would > be > top of my list. are you planning on racing it too? > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Athena Scott > > >wrote: > > > I bought a Tiger with a 260 motor. It could have been raced, and I am > told > > the con rods on the 260 are weak and I should change to 289 con rods. > This > > may have happened already. Can anybody tell me how I can distinguish > > between the 260 con rod numbers as opposed to the 289 con rods? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Derek Scott > > > > B9480008 > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 8 11:01:17 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , "'Athena Scott'" Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 12:12:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Con rods Owain The 289 hipo con rod is the same casting # C3AE-D; the end cap and bolts are different. The con rod end caps are beefier and the connecting bolts are larger at 3/8". Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:30 AM To: Athena Scott Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Con rods i thought 260 and 289 rods were the same with the exception of the 289 hipo? pretty sure they are interchangeable but perhaps the 289 ones were better... others will no doubt chime in with better info but i don't think it would be top of my list. are you planning on racing it too? On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Athena Scott wrote: > I bought a Tiger with a 260 motor. It could have been raced, and I am > told the con rods on the 260 are weak and I should change to 289 con > rods. This may have happened already. Can anybody tell me how I can > distinguish between the 260 con rod numbers as opposed to the 289 con > rods? > > > > Thanks > > Derek Scott > > B9480008 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. 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If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 8 11:44:28 2009 From: drmayf To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:23:03 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Con rods 302 and 5.0L all have 3.00 stroke mayf Owain Lloyd wrote: >260 = 2.87 stroke / 3.8 bore >289 = 2.87 stroke / 4 bore >302 = 3.06? stroke / 4 bore > >that's why 260 pistons are hard to get relative to 289 pistons. because 289 >has 302 piston sizes. > >also, i _think_ 289 hipo rod is same dimensions as boss 302 rod, as boss 302 >used a different crank but i could be wrong. just something i remembered >reading. > > >On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Tony Somebody wrote: > > > >>Owain- does the 260 and 289 have the same stroke. I was thinking 260s have >>longer >>rods ????????????? >>--- On *Tue, 12/8/09, Owain Lloyd * wrote: >> >> >>From: Owain Lloyd >>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Con rods >>To: "Athena Scott" >>Cc: tigers@autox.team.net >>Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 8:29 AM >> >>i thought 260 and 289 rods were the same with the exception of the 289 >>hipo? >> >>pretty sure they are interchangeable but perhaps the 289 ones were >>better... >> >>others will no doubt chime in with better info but i don't think it would >>be >>top of my list. are you planning on racing it too? >> >>On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Athena Scott >> >> >> >>>wrote: >>> >>> >>>I bought a Tiger with a 260 motor. It could have been raced, and I am >>> >>> >>told >> >> >>>the con rods on the 260 are weak and I should change to 289 con rods. >>> >>> >>This >> >> >>>may have happened already. Can anybody tell me how I can distinguish >>>between the 260 con rod numbers as opposed to the 289 con rods? >>> >>> >>> >>>Thanks >>> >>>Derek Scott >>> >>>B9480008 >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>>You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com >>> >>>Tigers@autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >>> >>>http://www.team.net/archive >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com >> >> >>Tigers@autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >>http://www.team.net/archive >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as drmayf@mayfco.com > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 8 13:24:41 2009 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:17:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Nice Pair! Dagmar lives! Weren't the fifties great! http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/11/arts/dagmar-79-foxy-blonde-with-first-name-status-in-50-s.html Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 8 15:30:42 2009 From: "Bob Hokanson" To: "Tigers" Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:30:36 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Con rods > also, i _think_ 289 hipo rod is same dimensions as boss 302 rod, as boss > 302 > used a different crank but i could be wrong. just something i remembered > reading. There were actually 2 different "Boss" 302 rods... both beefier than stock with the larger 3/8 rod bolts. The C9ZZ-6200-B rods were 5.155 inches center-to-center. Same length as hipo 289. And the rare C90Z-6200-B were the shorter 5.090 inch length. Now un-obtanium. I have a set in my old 322 c.i. stroker motor. It was done back in 1970 before small block strokers became commonplace. Bob H _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 8 15:30:50 2009 From: "Bob Hokanson" To: "Tigers" Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:44:22 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Twin Turbo Car in Ariz Got to watch Jerry Porsche run his twin-turbo Tiger Saturday in the Arizona's Fastest Street Cars race at Speedworld dragstrip just outside of Phoenix. He redlighted in second round but did lay down a 9.55 sec at 143 mph run, his new personal best. The car is incredible... idles smooth... runs quiet... but is unbelievably quick. I don't know of anybody ever posting a faster 1/4 mile time in a Tiger. Bob H _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 8 16:57:40 2009 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:37:49 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 479 Tod, Isn't that the split oddly shaped nylon piece? I always wondered as to its function. I wonder where one can get one. Anybody know? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- >Somewhere in the process of having my steering column removed, shipped >out, rebuilt and then reinstalled, the nylon "inner column extension >bolt circlip", PN 1206701 on my Tiger disappeared. Does anyone have a >source for this part or have one they would part with for a reasonable >price? >Many thanks, >Tod >B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 8 18:28:16 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:07:15 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 479 The parts guide http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/factory_parts_list/Tiger/Tiger%20I I%20Supplement%20Section%20RF.pdf Doesn't show a lot of detail. Is it just a split nylon washer? It should be fairly straightforward to machine one out of nylon or another engineering plastic such as Delrin. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com > Sent: December 8, 2009 3:38 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 479 > > Tod, > > Isn't that the split oddly shaped nylon piece? I always > wondered as to its function. I wonder where one can get one. > > Anybody know? > > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 8 19:14:37 2009 From: Larry & Susan To: Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:23:06 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Steering Column Circlip Todd wrote: "Somewhere in the process of having my steering column removed, shipped out, rebuilt and then reinstalled, the nylon "inner column extension bolt circlip", PN 1206701 on my Tiger disappeared. Does anyone have a source for this part or have one they would part with for a reasonable price?" I feel your pain; when I lost mine in a gravel driveway and spent quite a few hours looking for it -- that's when I decided I needed a paved driveway (well, a garage while I was at it). Quite a few years now, I recall fabricating a replacement; it's not like it's a, well, a conrod or something. It just keeps the central shaft from slipping down inside, right? Larry in Seabrook _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 8 21:33:16 2009 From: David T Johnson To: tigers@autox.team.net, Larry & Susan Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:14:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] FW: Steering Column Circlip That's correct. It keeps the adjustable shaft from slipping into the column when you have removed the steering wheel. Otherwise its a pain to get the shaft back out of the column. Its a tight friction fit over the shaft. I believe later Alpines with adjustable columns have the same circlip. Dave --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Larry & Susan wrote: From: Larry & Susan Subject: [Tigers] FW: Steering Column Circlip To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:23 AM Todd wrote: "Somewhere in the process of having my steering column removed, shipped out, rebuilt and then reinstalled, the nylon "inner column extension bolt circlip", PN 1206701 on my Tiger disappeared. Does anyone have a source for this part or have one they would part with for a reasonable price?" I feel your pain; when I lost mine in a gravel driveway and spent quite a few hours looking for it -- that's when I decided I needed a paved driveway (well, a garage while I was at it). Quite a few years now, I recall fabricating a replacement; it's not like it's a, well, a conrod or something. It just keeps the central shaft from slipping down inside, right? Larry in Seabrook You are subscribed as djoh797014@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 9 15:09:36 2009 From: "Jerry & Maureen \(Mo\)" To: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:04:47 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Last page in Hot Rod Mag. List, Just got my Hot Rod Mag. (Feb issue) and on the last page guess what? A blue Tiger (painted almost like mine). I'm sure someone will be very familiar with the photo. Pretty cool. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 9 17:37:49 2009 From: Jeff Howarth To: "Smit, Theo" Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:45:59 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 479 I wonder if a small a nylon grip tie would work ? In message <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019056CA@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>, "Smit, Theo" writes >The parts guide >http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/factory_parts_list/Tiger/Tiger%20I >I%20Supplement%20Section%20RF.pdf >Doesn't show a lot of detail. Is it just a split nylon washer? It >should be fairly straightforward to machine one out of nylon or another >engineering plastic such as Delrin. > >Theo > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >> [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com >> Sent: December 8, 2009 3:38 PM >> To: tigers@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 479 >> >> Tod, >> >> Isn't that the split oddly shaped nylon piece? I always >> wondered as to its function. I wonder where one can get one. >> >> Anybody know? >> >> >> Jim Armstrong >> Mk 1A 382002083 >> LRXFE >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as jeff@v8tiger.demon.co.uk > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > -- Jeff Howarth _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 10 10:51:12 2009 From: David T Johnson To: TheoSmit , Jeff Howarth Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:57:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 479 Look in you local hardware store (ace, etc. They usually have a nice selection of nylon bushings. You should be able to find something that'll work. --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Jeff Howarth wrote: From: Jeff Howarth Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 479 To: "Smit, Theo" Cc: Rollright@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 11:45 PM I wonder if a small a nylon grip tie would work ? In message <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019056CA@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>, "Smit, Theo" writes >The parts guide >http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/factory_parts_list/Tiger/Tiger%20I >I%20Supplement%20Section%20RF.pdf >Doesn't show a lot of detail. Is it just a split nylon washer? It >should be fairly straightforward to machine one out of nylon or another >engineering plastic such as Delrin. > >Theo > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >> [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com >> Sent: December 8, 2009 3:38 PM >> To: tigers@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 479 >> >> Tod, >> >> Isn't that the split oddly shaped nylon piece? I always >> wondered as to its function. I wonder where one can get one. >> >> Anybody know? >> >> >> Jim Armstrong >> Mk 1A 382002083 >> LRXFE >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as jeff@v8tiger.demon.co.uk > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > -- Jeff Howarth You are subscribed as djoh797014@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 11 10:40:46 2009 From: spmdr@juno.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:56:28 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] 260/289 Connecting rods I Just want to point out the rods are NOT cast. They are forged steel. And I have not seen the "small" / early 260 rods in a Tiger engine. DW ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=Em5Hg8R9vx82yJKn5eZHlQAAJ1Cz2phjhrvOiZQP4sCghJ_SAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 11 11:08:55 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:22:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] hose clamps Brian Nichols asked me some questions about the cotter pin hose clamp used on the brake booster vacuum line. I barely recall these clamps but I looked through some of the factory pictures and there they are on both Alpines and Tigers. Google search produced some results; WSN strap clamp; I have no idea if this is close to the original but it is the best information I could find. Anyone have any information about the original clamp? http://www.authenticclassics.com/category-s/213.htm Located on Staten Island NY I also found this site with double wire hose clamps; Located in Georgia. http://www.englishparts.com/productSearch.aspx?searchTerm=hose%20clamps This information is just FYI; I have never dealt with either company. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 11 12:36:08 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:39:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260/289 Connecting rods DW It is very possible that when Ford updated the 260 block to the 7" mount pad and 3 freeze plugs, Jan 1963, that the C2OE-A con rod was changed to the 289 C3AE-D con rod. The T15KL, the first Tiger engine group, Aug 15, 1963 is the 1964 Ford model year. 1964 is the year indicated for the change to the C3AE-D rod. The T15KL engine group is the only group I think might have the early rods but I have no direct knowledge about this engine group or it's components. Do you have any experience with any of the T15KL engine group? It would be interesting to know that none of the Tiger engines had the early C2OE-A rod. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spmdr@juno.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:56 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] 260/289 Connecting rods I Just want to point out the rods are NOT cast. They are forged steel. And I have not seen the "small" / early 260 rods in a Tiger engine. DW ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=Em5Hg8R9vx82yJKn5eZHlQAAJ1Cz2p hjhrvOiZQP4sCghJ_SAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.102/2556 - Release Date: 12/11/09 10:06:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 11 15:07:51 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, Tiger's Den Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:23:39 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260/289 Connecting rods My reference, per usual, is the TigersUnited.com Factory Parts list, with the pages in question at: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/2-AF-EngineMotor.pdf which specifies the "C3AZ-6200-D" as the correct, supplied 260 motor connecting rod assembly. This is a Ford Part Number for their Industrial Engines Division. I understand that the division specifies and procures the selected part through production line orders, and doesn't make anything but paper, themselves. sort of the centralized parts specifying and procuring section. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Ron Fraser wrote: > DW > It is very possible that when Ford updated the 260 block to the 7" > mount pad and 3 freeze plugs, Jan 1963, that the C2OE-A con rod was changed > to the 289 C3AE-D con rod. The T15KL, the first Tiger engine group, Aug > 15, 1963 is the 1964 Ford model year. 1964 is the year indicated for the > change to the C3AE-D rod. The T15KL engine group is the only group I think > might have the early rods but I have no direct knowledge about this engine > group or it's components. > > Do you have any experience with any of the T15KL engine group? It would be > interesting to know that none of the Tiger engines had the early C2OE-A rod. > > Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 11 15:38:20 2009 From: "Wayne-MSN" To: , Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:55:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] hose clamps Guys: You can use MOSS part number 021-577. Although this is for a Girling Servo on an Austin Healey, it is virtually identical to the clamp used on the Alpine/Tiger. Take care when installing as it is a "use once" type clamp as opposed to the common spring clamp, wire clamp and worm-gear clamps. Here is a link to the MOSS page: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=28899#30 I have used this clamp on my Tiger and Alpines. Let me know if you find the vacuum hose with YELLOW stripes. Wayne -----Original Message----- From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com] Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:23 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] hose clamps Brian Nichols asked me some questions about the cotter pin hose clamp used on the brake booster vacuum line. I barely recall these clamps but I looked through some of the factory pictures and there they are on both Alpines and Tigers. Google search produced some results; WSN strap clamp; I have no idea if this is close to the original but it is the best information I could find. Anyone have any information about the original clamp? http://www.authenticclassics.com/category-s/213.htm Located on Staten Island NY I also found this site with double wire hose clamps; Located in Georgia. http://www.englishparts.com/productSearch.aspx?searchTerm=hose%20clamps This information is just FYI; I have never dealt with either company. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 11 15:38:29 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Steve Laifman'" , "'Tiger's Den'" Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:55:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260/289 Connecting rods Steve That is the correct Ford Part number for the rod assembly. Unfortunately I do not have a reference that breaks that assembly number down to the number on the connecting rod. I don't believe any of the Tiger engines have the earlier C2OE-A rods but I just don't have any facts to back that statement. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Steve Laifman [mailto:SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com] Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:24 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260/289 Connecting rods My reference, per usual, is the TigersUnited.com Factory Parts list, with the pages in question at: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/2-AF-EngineMoto r.pdf which specifies the "C3AZ-6200-D" as the correct, supplied 260 motor connecting rod assembly. This is a Ford Part Number for their Industrial Engines Division. I understand that the division specifies and procures the selected part through production line orders, and doesn't make anything but paper, themselves. sort of the centralized parts specifying and procuring section. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Ron Fraser wrote: DW It is very possible that when Ford updated the 260 block to the 7" mount pad and 3 freeze plugs, Jan 1963, that the C2OE-A con rod was changed to the 289 C3AE-D con rod. The T15KL, the first Tiger engine group, Aug 15, 1963 is the 1964 Ford model year. 1964 is the year indicated for the change to the C3AE-D rod. The T15KL engine group is the only group I think might have the early rods but I have no direct knowledge about this engine group or it's components. Do you have any experience with any of the T15KL engine group? It would be interesting to know that none of the Tiger engines had the early C2OE-A rod. Ron Fraser No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.102/2556 - Release Date: 12/11/09 10:06:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 11 17:37:49 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, tigers@autox.team.net, Wayne-MSN Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:04:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] hose clamps Wayne- there was an ebay seller in the UK selling the hose BUT the yellow stripe isnt exact as original Im told BUT its the closest Ive seen. TtT --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Wayne-MSN wrote: From: Wayne-MSN Subject: Re: [Tigers] hose clamps To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 3:55 PM Guys: You can use MOSS part number 021-577. Although this is for a Girling Servo on an Austin Healey, it is virtually identical to the clamp used on the Alpine/Tiger. Take care when installing as it is a "use once" type clamp as opposed to the common spring clamp, wire clamp and worm-gear clamps. Here is a link to the MOSS page: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=28899#30 I have used this clamp on my Tiger and Alpines. Let me know if you find the vacuum hose with YELLOW stripes. Wayne -----Original Message----- From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com] Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:23 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] hose clamps Brian Nichols asked me some questions about the cotter pin hose clamp used on the brake booster vacuum line. I barely recall these clamps but I looked through some of the factory pictures and there they are on both Alpines and Tigers. Google search produced some results; WSN strap clamp; I have no idea if this is close to the original but it is the best information I could find. Anyone have any information about the original clamp? http://www.authenticclassics.com/category-s/213.htm Located on Staten Island NY I also found this site with double wire hose clamps; Located in Georgia. http://www.englishparts.com/productSearch.aspx?searchTerm=hose%20clamps This information is just FYI; I have never dealt with either company. Ron Fraser You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 11 19:07:54 2009 From: Rob Guerra To: Jerry Costanzo Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:26:48 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Motor Mounts _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 11 23:10:43 2009 From: "Pointers" To: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:27:02 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Twin Turbo Car in Ariz A Google search turned up a couple of pictures of it in a "Cars that are faster than they look" thread at: www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3001430 1 wheel stand 1 side view Interesting how stock looking it is for such a fast car. Gary. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 12 00:40:01 2009 From: Amberly Chamberlain To: tigers@autox.team.net, Pointers Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:44:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Twin Turbo Car in Ariz Anyone have any pictures of his engine bay? I would like to see how he has it all set up in that tight compartment. does he have the turbos in the rear like the new corvette systems? cheers frank --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Pointers wrote: From: Pointers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Twin Turbo Car in Ariz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 9:27 PM A Google search turned up a couple of pictures of it in a "Cars that are faster than they look" thread at: www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3001430 1 wheel stand 1 side view Interesting how stock looking it is for such a fast car. Gary. You are subscribed as amberlychamberlain@sbcglobal.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 12 08:10:13 2009 From: "Bill Waite" To: "Amberly Chamberlain" , Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:18:48 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Engine Photos: Twin Turbo Car in Ariz Found some pics here... http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2801151660054462410ycKiJP Bill Grand Rapids, MI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amberly Chamberlain" To: ; "Pointers" Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:44 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Twin Turbo Car in Ariz > Anyone have any pictures of his engine bay? I would like to see how he > has it > all set up in that tight compartment. does he have the turbos in the rear > like > the new corvette systems? > > cheers > > frank > > --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Pointers wrote: > > From: Pointers > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Twin Turbo Car in Ariz > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 9:27 PM > > A Google search turned up a couple of pictures of it in a "Cars that are > faster than they look" thread at: > www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3001430 > 1 wheel stand > 1 side view > Interesting how stock looking it is for such a fast car. > > Gary. > You are subscribed as amberlychamberlain@sbcglobal.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as fordlandia@sbcglobal.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 12 11:41:55 2009 From: Steve Sage To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:54:12 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Stock Air Filter Question I know this has been discussed periodically but I don't remember the answer. I have a K&N air filter in my stock housing but it's a bit too small. You have to force it into the groove and it still does not fit right. I got it from Sunbeam Specialties years ago. Is there a more current K&N filter size that matches the original paper filter size exactly? If not, is there a stock air filter replacement that fits as original? Thanks. Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 12 11:42:52 2009 From: "Kirk Smith" To: Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:00:48 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Photos: Twin Turbo Car in Ariz One of the pictures shows a turbo installed just ahead of the rear axle- where most people have their muffler. There's some 'outside the box' thinking! Kirk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Waite" To: "Amberly Chamberlain" ; ; "Pointers" Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 6:18 AM Subject: [Tigers] Engine Photos: Twin Turbo Car in Ariz > Found some pics here... > http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2801151660054462410ycKiJP > > Bill > Grand Rapids, MI > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amberly Chamberlain" > To: ; "Pointers" > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:44 AM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Twin Turbo Car in Ariz > > >> Anyone have any pictures of his engine bay? I would like to see how he >> has it >> all set up in that tight compartment. does he have the turbos in the rear >> like >> the new corvette systems? >> >> cheers >> >> frank >> >> --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Pointers wrote: >> >> From: Pointers >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Twin Turbo Car in Ariz >> To: tigers@autox.team.net >> Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 9:27 PM >> >> A Google search turned up a couple of pictures of it in a "Cars that are >> faster than they look" thread at: >> www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3001430 >> 1 wheel stand >> 1 side view >> Interesting how stock looking it is for such a fast car. >> >> Gary. >> You are subscribed as amberlychamberlain@sbcglobal.net >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as fordlandia@sbcglobal.net >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as twotigers@verizon.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 270.14.104/2559 - Release Date: 12/11/09 19:37:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 12 12:41:27 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:53:29 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Photos: Twin Turbo Car in Ariz Hi Kirk, I've actually seen that a few times now. In its own way it has a simplicity. You can run the stock exhaust configuration, you don't have to move something out of the way under the hood etc.. I'm not sure what is lost in power with the diminished heat at the turbo and then pressure losses going back all that distance back to the intake. But, for a street car I kind of like the idea. Maybe if fins were welded onto the long intake return tube it would become its own intercooler. :-) Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 12 12:41:38 2009 From: BrockCTella To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:53:29 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] K&N filter I've been using a K&N on my stock air filter for years, fits perfect. Model A135A8. I've got two new regular filters if you are interested. ____________________________________________________________ Search Marketing Click for free info on using seach engines to expand your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=4bsqm9PW9m4u8LZW9Tg80gAAJ1Cz2phjhrvOiZQP4sCghJ_SAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARBwAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 12 12:49:14 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Steve Sage'" , Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:59:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stock Air Filter Question Steve Kirt Jenssen sent this email last year maybe it will help you. Ron Fraser ---------------- I recently was researching and found the following information. I have not purchased a K&N filter yet, I still have a paper filter. Hopefully other Tiger owners may be able to confirm the info. K&N E-3717 11.75" x 13.5" x 2.5" +/- $ 47.00 _http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=E-3717_ (http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=E-3717) K&N E-2859 11.75" x 13.5" x 1.5" +/- $ 46.00 _http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=E-2859_ (http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=E-2859) I currently have a paper filter ( WIX 42100 ) +/- $ 12.00 _http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlookup/PartDetail.asp?Part=42100_ (http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlookup/PartDetail.asp?Part=42100) I believe NAPA makes them - NAPA part 2100 +/- $ 12.00 _http://www.napaonline.com/NOLPPSE/(S(10ni25zljzifwc3x1cqrwg45))/Detail.aspx ?R =FIL2100_0071369629_ (http://www.napaonline.com/NOLPPSE/(S(10ni25zljzifwc3x1cqrwg45))/Detail.aspx ?R=FIL2100_0071369629) Kirt Jenssen -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Sage Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:54 PM To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Stock Air Filter Question I know this has been discussed periodically but I don't remember the answer. I have a K&N air filter in my stock housing but it's a bit too small. You have to force it into the groove and it still does not fit right. I got it from Sunbeam Specialties years ago. Is there a more current K&N filter size that matches the original paper filter size exactly? If not, is there a stock air filter replacement that fits as original? Thanks. Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.103/2558 - Release Date: 12/11/09 10:06:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 12 12:50:08 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Steve Sage Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:00:34 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stock Air Filter Question Steve, I, too, bought a K&N cleanable - re-oil able, air filter by K&N from sunbeam Specialties. Got the K&N oil, as well. I wished it were just a little thicker, as there is room even with an F4B high-rise and a 4 BBL 465 Holly. There are numbers all over the part, so I called K&N. They have absolutely no application information on the size, as they kept wanting me top buy a "Universal" round filter and squeeze the rubber to match. Rick's is already the correct oval size. The rubber numbers seem to be the original feed stock part the unit is assembled from, NOT the filter. I am not too sure what you mean by a "bit too small", because it fits the air cleaner trays fine. I just wanted a little thicker. So, unless you are putting a RAM CHARGER scoop on your hood, leave it alone, and buy Rick's. I appear to be the only one h=who has the correct answer for your question - "There is no correct answer!" (9-) Then, you can always steal Santa's red hat/sock and use it - just look what his flying reindeer can do with that! Steve Happy Holidays ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Sage wrote: > I know this has been discussed periodically but I don't remember the > answer. I have a K&N air filter in my stock housing but it's a bit too > small. You have to force it into the groove and it still does not fit > right. I got it from Sunbeam Specialties years ago. Is there a more > current K&N filter size that matches the original paper filter size > exactly? If not, is there a stock air filter replacement that fits as > original? > > Thanks. > Steve Sage > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) > Database version: 6.13900 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as slaifman@socal.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 12 12:50:15 2009 From: Steve Sage To: Steve Laifman , tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:09:09 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stock Air Filter Question Steve L: For some reason, my K&N filter from Rick does not fit the air cleaner trays. It is a bit too small and does not fit into those grooves. I'll have to call Rick and see if there's been a size change since I bought mine and a new one fits better, if I stick with the K&N. Steve Sage Steve Laifman wrote: > I am not too sure what you mean by a "bit too small", because it fits > the air cleaner trays fine. I just wanted a little thicker. > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 12 13:26:56 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: Kirk Smith , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:15:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Photos: Twin Turbo Car in Ariz Yeah, likely the place left it would fit. I have seen the rear turbo kits on a vett' and it seems like a huge mess to do, not sure how well they work either. My friends site had a piece on them, and seemed like BS on the MPG part, but that's just me. http://www.motorator.com/blog/gm/40mpg-turbo-corvette Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Kirk Smith To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sat, December 12, 2009 10:00:48 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Photos: Twin Turbo Car in Ariz One of the pictures shows a turbo installed just ahead of the rear axle- where most people have their muffler. There's some 'outside the box' thinking! Kirk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Waite" To: "Amberly Chamberlain" ; ; "Pointers" Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 6:18 AM Subject: [Tigers] Engine Photos: Twin Turbo Car in Ariz > Found some pics here... > http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2801151660054462410ycKiJP > > Bill > Grand Rapids, MI > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amberly Chamberlain" > To: ; "Pointers" > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:44 AM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Twin Turbo Car in Ariz > > >> Anyone have any pictures of his engine bay? I would like to see how he >> has it >> all set up in that tight compartment. does he have the turbos in the rear >> like >> the new corvette systems? >> >> cheers >> >> frank >> >> --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Pointers wrote: >> >> From: Pointers >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Twin Turbo Car in Ariz >> To: tigers@autox.team.net >> Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 9:27 PM >> >> A Google search turned up a couple of pictures of it in a "Cars that are >> faster than they look" thread at: >> www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3001430 >> 1 wheel stand >> 1 side view >> Interesting how stock looking it is for such a fast car. >> >> Gary. >> You are subscribed as amberlychamberlain@sbcglobal.net >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as fordlandia@sbcglobal.net >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as twotigers@verizon.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 270.14.104/2559 - Release Date: 12/11/09 19:37:00 You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 12 14:00:57 2009 From: Stephen Waybright To: Thomas Witt , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:18:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Photos: Twin Turbo Car in Ariz The lost heat/power to drive big boost levels shouldn't be a problem, since there is still a lot of heat energy going out the back end of the pipe, but I would think that the turbo lag in such a set up would be incredibly terrible (HUGE). Perhaps in a V8, particularly for drag racing, turbo lag is probably not as big a deal as it is in a little 4 banger or for street, roadracing, or autocross applications. Stephen Waybright www.linkedin.com/in/gswaybright ----- Original Message ---- From: Thomas Witt To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sat, December 12, 2009 1:53:29 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Photos: Twin Turbo Car in Ariz Hi Kirk, I've actually seen that a few times now. In its own way it has a simplicity. You can run the stock exhaust configuration, you don't have to move something out of the way under the hood etc.. I'm not sure what is lost in power with the diminished heat at the turbo and then pressure losses going back all that distance back to the intake. But, for a street car I kind of like the idea. Maybe if fins were welded onto the long intake return tube it would become its own intercooler. :-) Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as gswaybright@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 12 14:31:43 2009 From: Gary To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:52:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Photos: Twin Turbo Car in Ariz I think there would be a tremendous turbo lag, due to the compressibility of the air in both directions, to and from the turbos. Gary --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Sandy Ganz wrote: From: Sandy Ganz Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Photos: Twin Turbo Car in Ariz To: "Kirk Smith" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 11:15 AM Yeah, likely the place left it would fit. I have seen the rear turbo kits on a vett' and it seems like a huge mess to do, not sure how well they work either. My friends site had a piece on them, and seemed like BS on the MPG part, but that's just me. http://www.motorator.com/blog/gm/40mpg-turbo-corvette Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Kirk Smith To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sat, December 12, 2009 10:00:48 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Photos: Twin Turbo Car in Ariz One of the pictures shows a turbo installed just ahead of the rear axle- where most people have their muffler. There's some 'outside the box' thinking! Kirk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Waite" To: "Amberly Chamberlain" ; ; "Pointers" Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 6:18 AM Subject: [Tigers] Engine Photos: Twin Turbo Car in Ariz > Found some pics here... > http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2801151660054462410ycKiJP > > Bill > Grand Rapids, MI > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amberly Chamberlain" > To: ; "Pointers" > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:44 AM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Twin Turbo Car in Ariz > > >> Anyone have any pictures of his engine bay? I would like to see how he >> has it >> all set up in that tight compartment. does he have the turbos in the rear >> like >> the new corvette systems? >> >> cheers >> >> frank >> >> --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Pointers wrote: >> >> From: Pointers >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Twin Turbo Car in Ariz >> To: tigers@autox.team.net >> Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 9:27 PM >> >> A Google search turned up a couple of pictures of it in a "Cars that are >> faster than they look" thread at: >> www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3001430 >> 1 wheel stand >> 1 side view >> Interesting how stock looking it is for such a fast car. >> >> Gary. >> You are subscribed as amberlychamberlain@sbcglobal.net >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as fordlandia@sbcglobal.net >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as twotigers@verizon.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 270.14.104/2559 - Release Date: 12/11/09 19:37:00 You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as maliburevue@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 12 14:32:02 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Steve Sage , Steve Laifman Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:54:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stock Air Filter Question Steve- I have it saved somewhere but I didn't find it easily just now Theo has a KanN number and the filter is the same circumference but it is thicker. I saved it(somewhere) so I could get more airflow when I get the 1A restored. I'm sure Theo will be glad to share the part number. I'm only guessing about the filters Rick sells but all the ones I know of are originally round but can be made into an oval with just a little work and after its in place, it seems to hold it's new shape. I have an original filter in an unpin box and another, never used but broken in half. I imagine some glue wold make it whole again. TtT From: Steve Laifman Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stock Air Filter Question To: "Steve Sage" Cc: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 1:00 PM Steve, I, too, bought a K&N cleanable - re-oil able, air filter by K&N from sunbeam Specialties. Got the K&N oil, as well. I wished it were just a little thicker, as there is room even with an F4B high-rise and a 4 BBL 465 Holly. There are numbers all over the part, so I called K&N. They have absolutely no application information on the size, as they kept wanting me top buy a "Universal" round filter and squeeze the rubber to match. Rick's is already the correct oval size. The rubber numbers seem to be the original feed stock part the unit is assembled from, NOT the filter. I am not too sure what you mean by a "bit too small", because it fits the air cleaner trays fine. I just wanted a little thicker. So, unless you are putting a RAM CHARGER scoop on your hood, leave it alone, and buy Rick's. I appear to be the only one h=who has the correct answer for your question - "There is no correct answer!" (9-) Then, you can always steal Santa's red hat/sock and use it - just look what his flying reindeer can do with that! Steve Happy Holidays ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Sage wrote: > I know this has been discussed periodically but I don't remember the answer. I have a K&N air filter in my stock housing but it's a bit too small. You have to force it into the groove and it still does not fit right. I got it from Sunbeam Specialties years ago. Is there a more current K&N filter size that matches the original paper filter size exactly? If not, is there a stock air filter replacement that fits as original? > > Thanks. > Steve Sage > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) > Database version: 6.13900 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as slaifman@socal.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 12 15:27:25 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: mike schreiner , Tiger's Den Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:44:52 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stock Air Filter Question Mike, If you are relying on the number embedded in the rubber gasket, that is ONLY the number for the rubber gasket, round, square, oval, whatever it finally ends up. It has no relation to the height of the element. As I discovered at K&N. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com mike schreiner wrote: > FYI the K & N air filter part number for a 2" tall one is E-3710 and the regular one is E-2859 ...they are round, but will reshape to oval ind fit the housing no problem...Mike Schreiner > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Steve Laifman wrote: > > >> From: Steve Laifman >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stock Air Filter Question >> To: "Steve Sage" >> Cc: tigers@Autox.Team.Net >> Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 2:00 PM >> Steve, >> >> I, too, bought a K&N cleanable - re-oil able, air >> filter by K&N from sunbeam Specialties. Got the K&N >> oil, as well. I wished it were just a little thicker, >> as there is room even with an F4B high-rise and a 4 BBL 465 >> Holly. There are numbers all over the part, >> so I called K&N. >> >> They have absolutely no application information on the >> size, as they kept wanting me top buy a "Universal" round >> filter and squeeze the rubber to match. Rick's is >> already the correct oval size. The rubber numbers seem >> to be the original feed stock part the unit is assembled >> from, NOT the filter. >> >> I am not too sure what you mean by a "bit too small", >> because it fits the air cleaner trays fine. I just >> wanted a little thicker. >> >> So, unless you are putting a RAM CHARGER scoop on your >> hood, leave it alone, and buy Rick's. >> >> I appear to be the only one h=who has the correct answer >> for your question - "There is no correct answer!" >> >> (9-) >> >> Then, you can always steal Santa's red hat/sock >> and use it - just look what his flying reindeer can do >> with that! >> >> >> Steve >> >> Happy Holidays >> >> ___ >> Steve Laifman >> Editor - TigersUnited.com >> >> >> >> >> Steve Sage wrote: >> >>> I know this has been discussed periodically but I >>> >> don't remember the answer. I have a K&N air filter in my >> stock housing but it's a bit too small. You have to force it >> into the groove and it still does not fit right. I got it >> from Sunbeam Specialties years ago. Is there a more current >> K&N filter size that matches the original paper filter >> size exactly? If not, is there a stock air filter >> replacement that fits as original? >> >>> Thanks. >>> Steve Sage _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 12 16:25:06 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:43:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Rear View Mirrors I put up some pics of the project on the Catmbr Forum on the B&K mirror and the simple install. http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=188 Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 12 17:53:43 2009 From: "Mike Michels" To: "Steve Sage" , Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:57:38 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stock Air Filter Question I have used round KN filters with no problem. They are flexible enough, fit perfectly in the stock air cleaner housing and take an oval shaped "set" after a couple of hot cycles. They come in several thicknesses: Stock height 1-1/2 ins high, 13.5 ins diameter, Summit racing has it as KN-E2859. 2-inch high K&N, part number KN-E3710. There are 2-1/2 and 3 inch high ones, too, but will probably be too tall for hood clearance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Sage" To: Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 9:54 AM Subject: [Tigers] Stock Air Filter Question >I know this has been discussed periodically but I don't remember the >answer. I have a K&N air filter in my stock housing but it's a bit too >small. You have to force it into the groove and it still does not fit >right. I got it from Sunbeam Specialties years ago. Is there a more current >K&N filter size that matches the original paper filter size exactly? If >not, is there a stock air filter replacement that fits as original? > > Thanks. > Steve Sage > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) > Database version: 6.13900 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mmichels@socal.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 12 17:53:57 2009 From: David T Johnson To: 'Steve Sage' , tigers@Autox.Team.Net, Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:00:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stock Air Filter Question My Tiger has been using the E2859 KN Filer for years. It sits on a F4B with Holley 600 CFM. Not problem with clearance with my LAT hood. Dave --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Ron Fraser wrote: From: Ron Fraser Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stock Air Filter Question To: "'Steve Sage'" , tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 6:59 PM Steve Kirt Jenssen sent this email last year maybe it will help you. Ron Fraser ---------------- I recently was researching and found the following information. I have not purchased a K&N filter yet, I still have a paper filter. Hopefully other Tiger owners may be able to confirm the info. K&N E-3717 11.75" x 13.5" x 2.5" +/- $ 47.00 _http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=E-3717_ (http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=E-3717) K&N E-2859 11.75" x 13.5" x 1.5" +/- $ 46.00 _http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=E-2859_ (http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=E-2859) I currently have a paper filter ( WIX 42100 ) +/- $ 12.00 _http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlookup/PartDetail.asp?Part=42100_ (http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlookup/PartDetail.asp?Part=42100) I believe NAPA makes them - NAPA part 2100 +/- $ 12.00 _http://www.napaonline.com/NOLPPSE/(S(10ni25zljzifwc3x1cqrwg45))/Detail.aspx ?R =FIL2100_0071369629_ (http://www.napaonline.com/NOLPPSE/(S(10ni25zljzifwc3x1cqrwg45))/Detail.aspx ?R=FIL2100_0071369629) Kirt Jenssen -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Sage Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:54 PM To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Stock Air Filter Question I know this has been discussed periodically but I don't remember the answer. I have a K&N air filter in my stock housing but it's a bit too small. You have to force it into the groove and it still does not fit right. I got it from Sunbeam Specialties years ago. Is there a more current K&N filter size that matches the original paper filter size exactly? If not, is there a stock air filter replacement that fits as original? Thanks. Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. 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Problem is, all the cars behind me were 1960's and earlier vintage. Some great cars. I waved them passed, and they came zooming up - only to disappear when they neared along my rear end. There was a 1954 Mercedes 300SL gull wing, with a "4 - Sale, $2500 o.b.o. " on the window. Waited for it, but it must have turned off. Anyone interested in the 1954 XK-120M just behind it? Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com To: Tigers Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:57:44 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Photos: Twin Turbo Car in Ariz Here9s a couple shots I took at the Tulsa Shelby Meet last year. I think the turbo was under the battery door, but my timing was bad and I didn9t get a picture of that. http://www.sabr2th.com/images/jp_tiger_e.jpg http://www.sabr2th.com/images/jp_tiger_r.jpg _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 13 00:06:17 2009 From: Rob Guerra To: tigerlist 2 Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:43:17 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] motor mounts 2 let's try this again - _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 13 09:49:01 2009 From: THEO SMIT To: Mike Michels Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:31:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stock Air Filter Question The 3710 is what I used. It required just a bit of a squeeze to fit the element into the housing top and bottom initially, but now it is oval to stay. For what it's worth, the E-2859 that is listed as the correct 'tiger' filter (and, as far as I know it is the one sold by Rick), is also identified by K&N as a round, shape-to-fit element. Its exterior and interior dimensions are given assuming it's in a circular shape, so you can search for taller filters by looking for other part numbers that have the same ID and OD. Theo ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Michels Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:53 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stock Air Filter Question To: Steve Sage , tigers@Autox.Team.Net > I have used round KN filters with no problem. They are flexible > enough, fit > perfectly in the stock air cleaner housing and take an oval > shaped "set" > after a couple of hot cycles. They come in several thicknesses: > > Stock height 1-1/2 ins high, 13.5 ins diameter, Summit > racing has it as KN-E2859. > > 2-inch high K&N, part number KN-E3710. There are 2-1/2 and 3 > inch high ones, > too, but will probably be too tall for hood clearance. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Sage" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 9:54 AM > Subject: [Tigers] Stock Air Filter Question > > > >I know this has been discussed periodically but I don't > remember the > >answer. I have a K&N air filter in my stock housing but it's a > bit too > >small. You have to force it into the groove and it still does > not fit > >right. I got it from Sunbeam Specialties years ago. Is there a > more current > >K&N filter size that matches the original paper filter size > exactly? If > >not, is there a stock air filter replacement that fits as original? > > > > Thanks. > > Steve Sage > > > > > > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) > > Database version: 6.13900 > > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as mmichels@socal.rr.com > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tsmit@shaw.ca > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 14 11:25:28 2009 From: "Hall Motors" To: Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:57:31 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Cap Is anyone aware of a source for an original style Tiger radiator cap? Thanks, Brad Hall _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 14 11:38:56 2009 From: Owain Lloyd To: Hall Motors Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:25:42 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator Cap brian postle at thesunbeamsparescompany.co.uk sells them. On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Hall Motors wrote: > Is anyone aware of a source for an original style Tiger radiator cap? > > > > Thanks, > > Brad Hall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 14 12:50:31 2009 From: Rob Guerra To: tigerlist 2 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:30:31 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Motor mounts 3 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 14 16:36:25 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:20:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re: motor mounts 2 --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: Re: [Tigers] motor mounts 2 To: "Rob Guerra" Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 5:19 PM Im with you, Ive been looking for some made in the USA at minimum but so far, no luck. Perhaps in some small town w/ an old parts store but does the rubber degenerte over years? Does anyone know if motor mounts that will stand high torque exist? Ive had broken ones with an engine that wouldnt be considered HOT, so stroker guys must be welding chain around, just in case or is there a good mount available that Rob nor I are aware of? TtT --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Rob Guerra wrote: From: Rob Guerra Subject: Re: [Tigers] motor mounts 2 To: "Tony Somebody" Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 1:29 PM wow not sure what is going on... I typed it times now I am just trying to find out if there a some good suitable engine mount alternatives out there. The ones at SS arent all that great On Dec 12, 2009, at 11:42 PM, Tony Somebody wrote: lets try this again was all the message said Rob, No attachments etc. Tony --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Rob Guerra wrote: From: Rob Guerra Subject: [Tigers] motor mounts 2 To: "tigerlist 2" Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 12:43 AM let's try this again - You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 14 21:21:48 2009 From: "Buck Trippel" To: Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:53:36 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Re: motor mounts 2 Rob and Tony, You're both right about the quality of motor mounts today. As you probably know most motor mounts sold here are made in Asia and the quality control there seems to be non-existent. The Tiger uses the 1964 Mustang mounts. (C3AZ-6038-G (RH), C3AZ-6038-H (LH). I've seen nearly 1/2" differences in the thickness of the rubber in mounts you can buy today from companies like Anchor. I've also seen terrible mistakes in the positioning of the attachment bolt. CAT recognized this problem several years ago and contacted Energy Suspension about making a limited run of these early Mustang mounts for CAT. Instead Energy Suspension decided to manufacture them as a standard catalog item. However a new management team took over and scrapped the whole project. The new team was also not interested in making a custom run for CAT. (Instead they recommend people switch their Mustangs to a later mount they already make. I've never been able to figure out how to make this later mount work in a Tiger - I don't think it will.) I did hear a rumor that some NOS pieces still exist but while they are the same mount they have a different Ford part number since they were used on a Ford pickup truck. The guy who gave me that tip sells Ford parts at local swap meets and I'll ask him about it the next time I see him. One of our CAT members is trying to obtain Ford's drawing of the original mounts. If he's lucky enough to come up with one, then we'll have a basis to judge quality. As far as breaking mounts, I always follow the old tech tip in the CAT Shop Notes about modifying the mounts with through bolts. We broke a mount that had this modification in the SCF race Tiger and never knew it. We spotted delamination (between the bottom steel plate and the rubber bonded to it) during routine post race inspection. We couldn't tell it was broken until we removed it. This drilling and bolting will help make a failure a non-event but it won't help with the lousy fit today's mounts provide. Buck Trippel > Im with you, Ive been looking for some made in the USA at minimum but so > far, > no luck. Perhaps in some small town w/ an old parts store but does the > rubber > degenerte over years? Does anyone know if motor mounts that will stand > high > torque exist? Ive had broken ones with an engine that wouldnt be > considered > HOT, so stroker guys must be welding chain around, just in case or is > there a > good mount available that Rob nor I are aware of? > TtT > > --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Rob Guerra wrote: > > > From: Rob Guerra > Subject: Re: [Tigers] motor mounts 2 > To: "Tony Somebody" > Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 1:29 PM > > > wow not sure what is going on... I typed it times now > > > I am just trying to find out if there a some good suitable engine mount > alternatives out there. The ones at SS arent all that great _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 15 11:35:14 2009 From: Owain Lloyd To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:14:01 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] direction of oil flow through filter hello, i have a remove filter in the wheel arch plumbed into a 4 port sandwich plate. i would like to install an oil cooler, thermostat and check valve inline after the filter. any clever ideas for the easiest and least messiest way to tell which hose runs to the filter and which back to the block? thanks, - owain. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 15 12:04:19 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:39:58 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] direction of oil flow through filter On the filter, there's a one-way valve that allows the oil only in through the outside, and out through the center. Most of the cast remote mounts have enough of the oil passages evident that you can tell which ports run to the center of the filter base and which run to the outside. Sometimes you can just go by which ports are closer to the central axis of the base. Some of the mounts have the ports labeled IN and OUT... You might need a good light and a brush to remove road grime. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd > Sent: December 15, 2009 11:14 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] direction of oil flow through filter > > hello, > > i have a remove filter in the wheel arch plumbed into a 4 > port sandwich plate. i would like to install an oil cooler, > thermostat and check valve inline after the filter. > > any clever ideas for the easiest and least messiest way to > tell which hose runs to the filter and which back to the block? > > thanks, > > - owain. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as theo.smit@dynastream.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 15 14:32:16 2009 From: "Bob Hokanson" To: "Tigers" Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:09:55 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] direction of oil flow through filter About 20 yrs ago I installed a nice compact remote oil filter block adaptor which was part of a kit including the filter mount. I got it thru a second party and didn't get the installation instructions. Long story short.. no oil pressure, wiped bearings, ruined cam etc. Complete rebuild. The adaptor was labeled "in" and "out" which I thought meant in to the engine and out to the filter. Wrong! The manufacturer meant into and out of their expensive remote filter mount. I believe it was one of these pieces: http://www.landlproducts.com/details.aspx?cID=9&BP=0&scID=0&ItemID=1020 I see they are now stamped with arrows indicating correct oil flow. Lesson learned: check & double check... never assume anything. Bob H _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 15 17:18:38 2009 From: Steve Sage To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:16:28 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tire Size Question + Update on Air Filter I had posted to the group a few days ago about my K&N filter never properly fitting the stock air filter housing (the filter is slightly too small in diameter). A couple of listers had posted the proper filter size (mine is different) so I've ordered one from my local parts store which should arrive tomorrow. I'll post the result when I get it. My new question is about tires. I have 14" Panasports on the Tiger, 6" wide in front and 7" in back. I'm looking for new tires. I currently have BF Goodrich Traction T/As, 205 60 14 on the back and 195 60 14 on the front. The 205 60 14's are getting hard to find, now only made, as far as I can find, by Sumitomo or Yokohama. Does anyone else out there run 14" x 7" wide Panasports and, if you've bought tires recently, what are you running on them? Thanks. Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13920 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 15 17:47:25 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Steve Sage" , Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:36:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question + Update on Air Filter The tire rack (www.tirerack.com) has a tire size selector where you fill in the tire size you want and they list what they have available. A good tire for your 14x7's would be a 205/55-14. A little shorter than the 60's so it will take some of the rake out of your Tiger's stance, if you have any. All the tires they list in this size are performance oriented. I don't know if that's what you want, but unless you drive your Tiger a lot the tires will age out before they wear out. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Sage > Sent: December 15, 2009 5:16 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Tire Size Question + Update on Air Filter > > My new question is about tires. I have 14" Panasports on the > Tiger, 6" > wide in front and 7" in back. I'm looking for new tires. I > currently have BF Goodrich Traction T/As, 205 60 14 on the > back and 195 60 14 on the front. The 205 60 14's are getting > hard to find, now only made, as far as I can find, by > Sumitomo or Yokohama. > > Does anyone else out there run 14" x 7" wide Panasports and, > if you've bought tires recently, what are you running on them? > > Thanks. > Steve Sage _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 15 21:35:42 2009 From: Dan Cordray To: Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:31:51 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Autox.team.net question Attached messages are a good example of what I occasionally see. That is, I receive Theo's response with Steve's original attached, but I never saw the message that Steve originally sent (apparently to tigers@autox.team.net). I very much appreciate when responses to questions include the original request, but I am puzzled why this occurs. Does anyone else see this phenomenon? Thanks, Dan Cordray > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:36:12 -0700 > From: Theo.Smit@dynastream.com > To: fastsage@cox.net; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question + Update on Air Filter > > The tire rack (www.tirerack.com) has a tire size selector where you fill > in the tire size you want and they list what they have available. > > A good tire for your 14x7's would be a 205/55-14. A little shorter than > the 60's so it will take some of the rake out of your Tiger's stance, if > you have any. All the tires they list in this size are performance > oriented. I don't know if that's what you want, but unless you drive > your Tiger a lot the tires will age out before they wear out. > > Cheers, > Theo > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Sage > > Sent: December 15, 2009 5:16 PM > > To: tigers@autox.team.net > > Subject: [Tigers] Tire Size Question + Update on Air Filter > > > > My new question is about tires. I have 14" Panasports on the > > Tiger, 6" > > wide in front and 7" in back. I'm looking for new tires. I > > currently have BF Goodrich Traction T/As, 205 60 14 on the > > back and 195 60 14 on the front. The 205 60 14's are getting > > hard to find, now only made, as far as I can find, by > > Sumitomo or Yokohama. > > > > Does anyone else out there run 14" x 7" wide Panasports and, > > if you've bought tires recently, what are you running on them? > > > > Thanks. > > Steve Sage > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as dcordray82@hotmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 15 22:06:38 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:47:39 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Autox.team.net question There is something tagged in the original text relating to the message that if it gets back to the server it rejects it. Some people know exactly what to remove and let the rest go through. I can never remember and just delete the whole thing in my response. (note I did that here to get it through). I never could figure it out. The text to be removed is pretty small. Perhaps the more computer savvy can better explain, but it didn't make much sense to me deleting a small text and then allowing a large portion through. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 16 12:36:07 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Jeff Eakin Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:16:28 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Cooling, Redux Jeff, It is fairly prominent in the bottom menu of each page under the tab "Tech Tips & HOW-TOs" under the title "Cool It, Buddy". Also, the use of the "SEARCH" feature in the top bar of every page (Magnifying glass labeled "SEARCH") will find most anything on the site. Here is the Cool It, Buddy" illustrated article with the patterns. http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp These are the detailed steps, along with lots photographs and patterns, used to solve my desert hot summer drives (up-hill) in the Los Angeles "Valley" (where the girls are!) I am using a four row brass radiator core that fits the stock end tanks, and has a very high tube and fin density. Hardly ever use the manually switched pusher fan. It was made by Modine special order department through a radiator shop. "Modine Special Order Manufacturing Division (ONLY) "Special High Efficiency Core" Cross flow. 18 1/2 W x 15 1/2 H (stock). Four parallel rows of 5/16 tubes on 3/8 centers, 36 tubes/row, each 3/8 inch deep by 0.080 wide externally. 14 fins/per inch fin density." No need for over-sized aluminum radiators. This fits the stock shroud. I have cc'd the group, as this is a common issue that I have solved in 2001. Good Fortune, Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Jeff Eakin wrote: > Hi Steve, > I've looked all over Tigers United for some info on how to block off the > horn holes. Is there a template in there or detailed instructions? > ~ ~ ~ > Jeff Eakin > Pres. Colorado Assn. of Tiger Owners (C.A.T.O) > 1142 S. Clayton St. > Denver, CO 80210 > (303) 733-1211 (H) > (303) 903-2386 (Cell) > Jeff.eakin@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 16 16:18:15 2009 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net, Steve Sage , "Smit, Theo" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:06:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 16 16:33:01 2009 From: Sandy Ganz To: Tod Brown , tigers@autox.team.net, Steve Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:22:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question So this is one of the messages that I have seen that has the content removed as well... Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net; Steve Sage ; "Smit, Theo" Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 3:06:18 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 16 16:33:39 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Sandy Ganz" , "Tod Brown" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:25:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question Weird. I got Tod's email but only direct, not (yet) via the list. Maybe we need to kick in some extra donations to team.net so we get all of the list traffic? ;) Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: Sandy Ganz [mailto:sganz@pacbell.net] > Sent: December 16, 2009 4:22 PM > To: Tod Brown; tigers@autox.team.net; Steve Sage; Smit, Theo > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question > > So this is one of the messages that I have seen that has the > content removed as well... > > Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 16 18:49:00 2009 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: Theo.Smit@dynastream.com, sganz@pacbell.net, Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:43:43 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question Will 15 x 7 work on a stock Tiger and what size tires would you use front and back?? In a message dated 12/16/2009 3:33:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Theo.Smit@dynastream.com writes: Weird. I got Tod's email but only direct, not (yet) via the list. Maybe we need to kick in some extra donations to team.net so we get all of the list traffic? ;) Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: Sandy Ganz [mailto:sganz@pacbell.net] > Sent: December 16, 2009 4:22 PM > To: Tod Brown; tigers@autox.team.net; Steve Sage; Smit, Theo > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question > > So this is one of the messages that I have seen that has the > content removed as well... > > Sandy You are subscribed as aaaglasss@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 16 20:03:45 2009 From: Tod Brown To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:54:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 16 20:33:15 2009 From: "awtiger" To: "Tod Brown" , , Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:24:17 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question Yep...I'm not seeing this e-mail either. This has been going on for the last couple of days for me. Kinda makes the forum useless, doesn't it. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740) B9006857LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Brown" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as awtiger@cox.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 16 20:33:26 2009 From: Tom Hall To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:27:49 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Chris Richards Lakewood Scattershield on e-bay Chris recently posted a Lakewood scattershield on e-bay. It is a 6 bolt variety and therefore won't fit 5 bolt 260 & 289 blocks. I don't have Chris's e-mail address or I would have told him directly. I do have the tooling to convert this piece to the 5 bolt configuration if any one is interested. Just trying to help. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 16 20:33:33 2009 From: phastphill@aol.com To: todbrown@roadrunner.com, AAAGLASSS@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:30:56 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question again no content..... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 16 20:48:04 2009 From: "Ross" To: "'awtiger'" , "'Tod Brown'" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:47:32 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question It is important to delete all the previous address and email links in your reply. Hitting reply and sending a comment will result in no information going out to the list. I do not think the list is functioning incorrectly. I just received a message from Tom Hall to the list. I believe the senders are not cleaning up the old links and address before sending the message reply. If this doesn't work when I send it then I must be mistaken. Ross Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question Yep...I'm not seeing this e-mail either. This has been going on for the last couple of days for me. Kinda makes the forum useless, doesn't it. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740) B9006857LRX _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 16 20:51:20 2009 From: "Ross" To: "'Ross'" , "'awtiger'" , Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:51:19 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question Hey, it worked. :) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question It is important to delete all the previous address and email links in your reply. Hitting reply and sending a comment will result in no information going out to the list. I do not think the list is functioning incorrectly. I just received a message from Tom Hall to the list. I believe the senders are not cleaning up the old links and address before sending the message reply. If this doesn't work when I send it then I must be mistaken. Ross Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question Yep...I'm not seeing this e-mail either. This has been going on for the last couple of days for me. Kinda makes the forum useless, doesn't it. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740) B9006857LRX _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 11:17:57 2009 From: Owain Lloyd To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:08:17 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] feedback on my coolant recovery bottle with this talk of cooling problems cropping up again, i thought i should offer my feedback on the recovery bottle that i enquired about last month. you may remember, a little over a month ago, just before i set out on the london to casablanca, i mailed the list about people's experiences with recovery bottles. i only had a couple of days before leaving, so i hacked up a solution by sealing the header tank overflow pipe through the top of a 750ml cycle water bottle, reaching down to the bottom of the bottle. i added another tube drawing from near the top and running down, out the front of the car. the plastic bottle was then wedged, upright between the header tank and the fan shroud where it stayed put for 8000km. the header tank was filled right to the top and about 100ml more added to the recovery bottle which soon got sucked in. for the entire event, (with one exception) i added no water to the recovery bottle or the header tank. we ran all over the morocco from sea level to just under 8000ft and from cold weather to temps over 120F. on one occasion, we drove a special stage starting at the edge of the sahara at over 120F air temp, up a mountain to 7900F for about 25 minutes all between 4500 and 6000rpm. when we reached the top and stopped at the time control, the recovery bottle starting dripping coolant onto the road. we then had to pull in and wait about 20 minutes for all the other cars to get to the top before we could go back down the only road up. while we were stopped, it spewed out about 1.5 litres coolant (at quite a ferocious rate at one point!) in about 5 minutes. the water temp was reading about 240F at this point. then as it cooled it sucked the contents of the bottle back in and i just had to unscrew the top and pour a bottle of water in which was greedily sucked back into the header tank. 10 minutes later, on schedule, we drove off with normal temps. it was great to be able to add water with the system still under pressure. that was the only time the capacity of the bottle was not enough - it would often fill half the the bottle of so when stopped and then pull it back in. other than on this occasion the temperature would barely budge above 190F and there were similar special stages with perhaps just 10F cooler air temps. for those who are interested, the rest of my cooling system is as follows: - stock brass radiator - 192F thermostat - stock volume aluminium 260 water pump - horn holes blocked - 13" flex fan on the engine - no electric fan - stock fan shroud - gaps at top and bottom (between crossmember and rad) of rad filled with stickyback foam strip _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 11:47:42 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, owain.lloyd@gmail.com Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:38:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] feedback on my coolant recovery bottle Owains feedback is kinda sorta what I was getting at a while back when I mentioned people asking for help to fix/remove a problem and while some post to the list, others, including myself at times reply direct. In posting his results, Owain has made us all aware of the procedure he followed, so we can follow suit or change his thoughts to mix with our own, except for those who have already installed a recovey syestem previously. THANKS to Owain and may we all remember to post the "fix" to their request for assistance. Im aware that some subjects have been covered more than once to the oldest members- length of list time, not age and may seem repetive but we have many newer members who havent had the luck of hearing all the offerings.Happiest of Holidays to all. TonytheTiger --- On Thu, 12/17/09, Owain Lloyd wrote: From: Owain Lloyd Subject: [Tigers] feedback on my coolant recovery bottle To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 12:08 PM with this talk of cooling problems cropping up again, i thought i should offer my feedback on the recovery bottle that i enquired about last month. you may remember, a little over a month ago, just before i set out on the london to casablanca, i mailed the list about people's experiences with recovery bottles. i only had a couple of days before leaving, so i hacked up a solution by sealing the header tank overflow pipe through the top of a 750ml cycle water bottle, reaching down to the bottom of the bottle. i added another tube drawing from near the top and running down, out the front of the car. the plastic bottle was then wedged, upright between the header tank and the fan shroud where it stayed put for 8000km. the header tank was filled right to the top and about 100ml more added to the recovery bottle which soon got sucked in. for the entire event, (with one exception) i added no water to the recovery bottle or the header tank. we ran all over the morocco from sea level to just under 8000ft and from cold weather to temps over 120F. on one occasion, we drove a special stage starting at the edge of the sahara at over 120F air temp, up a mountain to 7900F for about 25 minutes all between 4500 and 6000rpm. when we reached the top and stopped at the time control, the recovery bottle starting dripping coolant onto the road. we then had to pull in and wait about 20 minutes for all the other cars to get to the top before we could go back down the only road up. while we were stopped, it spewed out about 1.5 litres coolant (at quite a ferocious rate at one point!) in about 5 minutes. the water temp was reading about 240F at this point. then as it cooled it sucked the contents of the bottle back in and i just had to unscrew the top and pour a bottle of water in which was greedily sucked back into the header tank. 10 minutes later, on schedule, we drove off with normal temps. it was great to be able to add water with the system still under pressure. that was the only time the capacity of the bottle was not enough - it would often fill half the the bottle of so when stopped and then pull it back in. other than on this occasion the temperature would barely budge above 190F and there were similar special stages with perhaps just 10F cooler air temps. for those who are interested, the rest of my cooling system is as follows: - stock brass radiator - 192F thermostat - stock volume aluminium 260 water pump - horn holes blocked - 13" flex fan on the engine - no electric fan - stock fan shroud - gaps at top and bottom (between crossmember and rad) of rad filled with stickyback foam strip You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 11:47:56 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , , , Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:40:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question 15x7 should work even with untrimmed fender lips on the rear of the car, provided your wheel offset is correct. Panasport has a size that is supposed to fit. On the front it's more tricky because there is not much clearance to the front lip on the fender and the lower valence. I am running 16x7 wheels front and rear, but the fender edges are rolled and the lower valence is trimmed to allow all that to work. The critical interference with 16" wheels (on the front) is that the rim inside edge can contact the upper control arm and balljoint as they move through the suspension travel. I used redrilled stock hubs and ended up with about 11/16" or 3/4" worth of spacers between the hub flange and the wheel (which is a 2005 Mustang OEM wheel, 16x7 with 39mm offset IIRC). If you're using 15" wheels then the upper control arm and balljoint would contact the inner tire sidewall if there wasn't enough spacing. Panasport has a 15x6" wheel that has offset compatible with the Tiger but I don't know if it will fit untrimmed fenders. Either way (15x6 or 15x7) you should look for 205/50-15's. You could put 225's on the rear if the wheel offset is just right but you'll need to be careful of the tires rubbing the rear springs on the inside, and the fender lips on the outside. Cheers, Theo ________________________________ From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com [mailto:AAAGLASSS@aol.com] Sent: December 16, 2009 6:44 PM To: Smit, Theo; sganz@pacbell.net; todbrown@roadrunner.com; tigers@autox.team.net; fastsage@cox.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question Will 15 x 7 work on a stock Tiger and what size tires would you use front and back?? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 12:03:06 2009 From: Owain Lloyd To: "Smit, Theo" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:52:34 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question i originally resolved the 16" panasport contact with the upper control arm by using the drop spindles. with an extra spacer in the spring turret the ride height is nice. it matches the rear using new springs and a 1" drop block. i later fitted custom CNC hubs with an offset exactly where i wanted it which would also allow stock spindles if desired. On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > 15x7 should work even with untrimmed fender lips on the rear of the car, > provided your wheel offset is correct. Panasport has a size that is > supposed to fit. On the front it's more tricky because there is not much > clearance to the front lip on the fender and the lower valence. I am > running 16x7 wheels front and rear, but the fender edges are rolled and > the lower valence is trimmed to allow all that to work. The critical > interference with 16" wheels (on the front) is that the rim inside edge > can contact the upper control arm and balljoint as they move through the > suspension travel. I used redrilled stock hubs and ended up with about > 11/16" or 3/4" worth of spacers between the hub flange and the wheel > (which is a 2005 Mustang OEM wheel, 16x7 with 39mm offset IIRC). If > you're using 15" wheels then the upper control arm and balljoint would > contact the inner tire sidewall if there wasn't enough spacing. > Panasport has a 15x6" wheel that has offset compatible with the Tiger > but I don't know if it will fit untrimmed fenders. > > Either way (15x6 or 15x7) you should look for 205/50-15's. You could put > 225's on the rear if the wheel offset is just right but you'll need to > be careful of the tires rubbing the rear springs on the inside, and the > fender lips on the outside. > > Cheers, > Theo > > > ________________________________ > > From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com [mailto:AAAGLASSS@aol.com] > Sent: December 16, 2009 6:44 PM > To: Smit, Theo; sganz@pacbell.net; todbrown@roadrunner.com; > tigers@autox.team.net; fastsage@cox.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question > > > > Will 15 x 7 work on a stock Tiger and what size tires would you > use front and back?? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 12:03:22 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:53:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re: feedback on my coolant recovery bottle (2nd try) --- On Thu, 12/17/09, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: Re: [Tigers] feedback on my coolant recovery bottle To: tigers@autox.team.net, owain.lloyd@gmail.com Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 12:38 PM Owains feedback is kinda sorta what I was getting at a while back when I mentioned people asking for help to fix/remove a problem and while some post to the list, others, including myself at times reply direct. In posting his results, Owain has made us all aware of the procedure he followed, so we can follow suit or change his thoughts to mix with our own, except for those who have already installed a recovey syestem previously. THANKS to Owain and may we all remember to post the "fix" to their request for assistance. Im aware that some subjects have been covered more than once to the oldest members- length of list time, not age and may seem repetive but we have many newer members who havent had the luck of hearing all the offerings.Happiest of Holidays to all. TonytheTiger I had to remove Owanins orginal from the bottom of my email in order to get it to post. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 12:12:31 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:00:48 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question How obtainable are the drop spindles these days? Not that I'm keen on diving into the front suspension again but it would be a good set of parts to have. Theo ________________________________ From: Owain Lloyd [mailto:owain.lloyd@gmail.com] Sent: December 17, 2009 11:53 AM To: Smit, Theo Cc: AAAGLASSS@aol.com; sganz@pacbell.net; todbrown@roadrunner.com; tigers@autox.team.net; fastsage@cox.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question i originally resolved the 16" panasport contact with the upper control arm by using the drop spindles. with an extra spacer in the spring turret the ride height is nice. it matches the rear using new springs and a 1" drop block. i later fitted custom CNC hubs with an offset exactly where i wanted it which would also allow stock spindles if desired. On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: 15x7 should work even with untrimmed fender lips on the rear of the car, provided your wheel offset is correct. Panasport has a size that is supposed to fit. On the front it's more tricky because there is not much clearance to the front lip on the fender and the lower valence. I am running 16x7 wheels front and rear, but the fender edges are rolled and the lower valence is trimmed to allow all that to work. The critical interference with 16" wheels (on the front) is that the rim inside edge can contact the upper control arm and balljoint as they move through the suspension travel. I used redrilled stock hubs and ended up with about 11/16" or 3/4" worth of spacers between the hub flange and the wheel (which is a 2005 Mustang OEM wheel, 16x7 with 39mm offset IIRC). If you're using 15" wheels then the upper control arm and balljoint would contact the inner tire sidewall if there wasn't enough spacing. Panasport has a 15x6" wheel that has offset compatible with the Tiger but I don't know if it will fit untrimmed fenders. Either way (15x6 or 15x7) you should look for 205/50-15's. You could put 225's on the rear if the wheel offset is just right but you'll need to be careful of the tires rubbing the rear springs on the inside, and the fender lips on the outside. Cheers, Theo ________________________________ From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com [mailto:AAAGLASSS@aol.com] Sent: December 16, 2009 6:44 PM To: Smit, Theo; sganz@pacbell.net; todbrown@roadrunner.com; tigers@autox.team.net; fastsage@cox.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question Will 15 x 7 work on a stock Tiger and what size tires would you use front and back?? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 12:22:53 2009 From: Owain Lloyd To: "Smit, Theo" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:07:46 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question they are available (maybe more so in england and probably australia) since they were used on other rootes cars such as the later minx. be prepared for lots of geometry analysis and testing if you make the swap.... On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > How obtainable are the drop spindles these days? Not that I'm keen on > diving into the front suspension again but it would be a good set of parts > to have. > > Theo > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Owain Lloyd [mailto:owain.lloyd@gmail.com] > *Sent:* December 17, 2009 11:53 AM > *To:* Smit, Theo > *Cc:* AAAGLASSS@aol.com; sganz@pacbell.net; todbrown@roadrunner.com; > tigers@autox.team.net; fastsage@cox.net > > *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question > > i originally resolved the 16" panasport contact with the upper control arm > by using the drop spindles. with an extra spacer in the spring turret the > ride height is nice. it matches the rear using new springs and a 1" drop > block. > > i later fitted custom CNC hubs with an offset exactly where i wanted it > which would also allow stock spindles if desired. > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > >> 15x7 should work even with untrimmed fender lips on the rear of the car, >> provided your wheel offset is correct. Panasport has a size that is >> supposed to fit. On the front it's more tricky because there is not much >> clearance to the front lip on the fender and the lower valence. I am >> running 16x7 wheels front and rear, but the fender edges are rolled and >> the lower valence is trimmed to allow all that to work. The critical >> interference with 16" wheels (on the front) is that the rim inside edge >> can contact the upper control arm and balljoint as they move through the >> suspension travel. I used redrilled stock hubs and ended up with about >> 11/16" or 3/4" worth of spacers between the hub flange and the wheel >> (which is a 2005 Mustang OEM wheel, 16x7 with 39mm offset IIRC). If >> you're using 15" wheels then the upper control arm and balljoint would >> contact the inner tire sidewall if there wasn't enough spacing. >> Panasport has a 15x6" wheel that has offset compatible with the Tiger >> but I don't know if it will fit untrimmed fenders. >> >> Either way (15x6 or 15x7) you should look for 205/50-15's. You could put >> 225's on the rear if the wheel offset is just right but you'll need to >> be careful of the tires rubbing the rear springs on the inside, and the >> fender lips on the outside. >> >> Cheers, >> Theo >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com [mailto:AAAGLASSS@aol.com] >> Sent: December 16, 2009 6:44 PM >> To: Smit, Theo; sganz@pacbell.net; todbrown@roadrunner.com; >> tigers@autox.team.net; fastsage@cox.net >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question >> >> >> >> Will 15 x 7 work on a stock Tiger and what size tires would you >> use front and back?? >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 13:21:14 2009 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: "'Tony Somebody'" , Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:20:44 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Re: feedback on my coolant recovery bottle (2nd TtT, That's weird. I got both - one with and one without Owain's original message. And thanks to Owain from me for posting the follow-up. A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:53 PM > To: Beamclub > Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re: feedback on my coolant recovery > bottle (2nd try) > > --- On Thu, 12/17/09, Tony Somebody wrote: > > > From: Tony Somebody > Subject: Re: [Tigers] feedback on my coolant recovery bottle > To: tigers@autox.team.net, owain.lloyd@gmail.com > Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 12:38 PM > > > > > > > > Owains feedback is kinda sorta what I was getting at a while > back when I mentioned people asking for help to fix/remove a > problem and while some post to the list, others, including > myself at times reply direct. In posting his results, Owain > has made us all aware of the procedure he followed, so we can > follow suit or change his thoughts to mix with our own, > except for those who have already installed a recovey syestem > previously. THANKS to Owain and may we all remember to post > the "fix" to their request for assistance. Im aware that some > subjects have been covered more than once to the oldest > members- length of list time, not age and may seem repetive > but we have many newer members who havent had the luck of > hearing all the offerings.Happiest of Holidays to all. > TonytheTiger > I had to remove Owanins orginal from the bottom of my email > in order to get it to post. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as v8tracker@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 13:49:44 2009 From: "Doornbos, Daniel" To: "Theo.Smit@dynastream.com" , Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:42:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question - Turned to Wheels/cross member Theo, question about your wheel/front end set up. Do your wheel stay tucked into the fender or do they overhang outside? I ask because I'm going to get a front cross member from Mike (Toyz Junkie) and put 5 lug hubs on the car. I am also planning to use a 16x7 wheel with similar offset of ~40mm. Given Mike's cross member custom nature I can set track width however wide I want. I did some simple math and to set the outside edge of the tire the deep offset vs with wider wheels that put the outside edge of the tire in the equitant place if running stock track width of the custom front end. Here are my simple calculations of a few standard wheels. (Note these numbers are based on rim width and offset and not a true measure of back/front space because it doesn't include the rim lip) Wheel-------------offset--backspace--front space Panasport 15x5.5--19mm----3.5"-------2" Panasort 15x6-----22mm----3.9"-------2.1" Mustang 16x7------40mm----5.0"-------2.0" The primary question given your comment about 3/4" spacer is if I can set track width of the Front End that much wider than stock and still fit the 15x7" wheels with 40mm offset inside the fenders, or will they stick outside the fenders? I'd like to get the wheels out as far as possible yet still have them in the fenders to have longer control arms for better suspension travel/leverage. Thanks for the info dan Message: 2 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:40:55 -0700 From: "Smit, Theo" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question To: , , , , Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905708@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 15x7 should work even with untrimmed fender lips on the rear of the car, provided your wheel offset is correct. Panasport has a size that is supposed to fit. On the front it's more tricky because there is not much clearance to the front lip on the fender and the lower valence. I am running 16x7 wheels front and rear, but the fender edges are rolled and the lower valence is trimmed to allow all that to work. The critical interference with 16" wheels (on the front) is that the rim inside edge can contact the upper control arm and balljoint as they move through the suspension travel. I used redrilled stock hubs and ended up with about 11/16" or 3/4" worth of spacers between the hub flange and the wheel (which is a 2005 Mustang OEM wheel, 16x7 with 39mm offset IIRC). If you're using 15" wheels then the upper control arm and balljoint would contact the inner tire sidewall if there wasn't enough spacing. Panasport has a 15x6" wheel that has offset compatible with the Tiger but I don't know if it will fit untrimmed fenders. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 16:05:48 2009 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: Daniel Doornbos Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:57:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question - Turned to Wheels/cross member Hi Dan, IIRC, you bought your Tiger from Steve Wickland and I met you that day... If so, didn't that car have flared (modified) fenders anyway? Did you put them back to stock? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Doornbos To: Theo Smit , tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:42:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question - Turned to Wheels/cross member Theo, question about your wheel/front end set up. Do your wheel stay tucked into the fender or do they overhang outside? I ask because I'm going to get a front cross member from Mike (Toyz Junkie) and put 5 lug hubs on the car. I am also planning to use a 16x7 wheel with similar offset of ~40mm. Given Mike's cross member custom nature I can set track width however wide I want. I did some simple math and to set the outside edge of the tire the deep offset vs with wider wheels that put the outside edge of the tire in the equitant place if running stock track width of the custom front end. Here are my simple calculations of a few standard wheels. (Note these numbers are based on rim width and offset and not a true measure of back/front space because it doesn't include the rim lip) Wheel-------------offset--backspace--front space Panasport 15x5.5--19mm----3.5"-------2" Panasort 15x6-----22mm----3.9"-------2.1" Mustang 16x7------40mm----5.0"-------2.0" The primary question given your comment about 3/4" spacer is if I can set track width of the Front End that much wider than stock and still fit the 15x7" wheels with 40mm offset inside the fenders, or will they stick outside the fenders? I'd like to get the wheels out as far as possible yet still have them in the fenders to have longer control arms for better suspension travel/leverage. Thanks for the info dan _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 17:06:07 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, "A. C. Tynes" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:05:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Re: feedback on my coolant recovery bottle (2nd I just received the second- after I removed Owains report. There are times someone will reply to an email from the List and as I read the oirginal at the bottom, I wonder why I didnt get the original- Ive even checked the spam folder to no avail. Ive made donations, so I dont think it is that cause. Guess Im elated to get what I do read as many days its the best email I receive. cheers, Tony --- On Thu, 12/17/09, A. C. Tynes wrote: From: A. C. Tynes Subject: RE: [Tigers] Fw: Re: feedback on my coolant recovery bottle (2nd try) To: "'Tony Somebody'" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 2:20 PM TtT, That's weird. I got both - one with and one without Owain's original message. And thanks to Owain from me for posting the follow-up. A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:53 PM > To: Beamclub > Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re: feedback on my coolant recovery > bottle (2nd try) > > --- On Thu, 12/17/09, Tony Somebody wrote: > > > From: Tony Somebody > Subject: Re: [Tigers] feedback on my coolant recovery bottle > To: tigers@autox.team.net, owain.lloyd@gmail.com > Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 12:38 PM > > > > > > > > Owains feedback is kinda sorta what I was getting at a while > back when I mentioned people asking for help to fix/remove a > problem and while some post to the list, others, including > myself at times reply direct. In posting his results, Owain > has made us all aware of the procedure he followed, so we can > follow suit or change his thoughts to mix with our own, > except for those who have already installed a recovey syestem > previously. THANKS to Owain and may we all remember to post > the "fix" to their request for assistance. Im aware that some > subjects have been covered more than once to the oldest > members- length of list time, not age and may seem repetive > but we have many newer members who havent had the luck of > hearing all the offerings.Happiest of Holidays to all. > TonytheTiger > I had to remove Owanins orginal from the bottom of my email > in order to get it to post. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as v8tracker@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 17:19:19 2009 From: "Doornbos, Daniel" To: "garywinblad@comcast.net" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:18:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question - Turned to Wheels/cross member Yes I remember. Still one of my most epic trips Abq-San Jose-Abq in 40hrs to pic the car eat a delicious seafood lunch with you and Steve, the hit the road back. The car has sat garaged 14yrs while I raced my bicycle, married, remodeled the house, had kids, etc... Ibm finally over that and ready to start the car. It is also still one of my best investments in the last 14yrs, worth as much if not more than purchase price. The flairs are still there and looks a lot like the car that just did the Morocco rally. I havenbt decided about the flares, Ibm inclined to replace the fenders but after seeing the rally car in action I might keep them. Regardless I donbt think the flares provide any additional wheel clearance when the suspension goes into compression. My fear is I think it will be worse because tire hits the top of the arch in compression. dan _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 17:34:24 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, "A. C. Tynes" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:33:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Re: feedback on my coolant recovery bottle (2nd I just received the first email I sent- go figure???????????? --- On Thu, 12/17/09, Tony Somebody wrote: _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 17:36:46 2009 From: "Brent Edinger" To: "tigers" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:36:46 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Drop Spindles I ran a set of these on my Alpine race car and the only problem I encountered was when I ran a set of 185/60-13 tires the oil pan would scrape the track under heavy braking. (all braking is heavy when racing). With the 205/60-13 tires it didn't scrape but I bet it was very close. Don't know if the tiger pan has better clearance but I wouldn't run them on the street. Other then that the car handled great with them installed. I bought one, in 1990 from RJ Grimes and the other from a wrecking yard in Australia. Brent >they are available (maybe more so in england and probably australia) since >they were used on other rootes cars such as the later minx. be prepared >for lots of geometry analysis and testing if you make the swap.... >On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Smit, Theo wrotewrote>: > How obtainable are the drop spindles these days? Not that I'm keen on > diving into the front suspension again but it would be a good set of parts > to have. > > Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 17:49:46 2009 From: Owain Lloyd To: Brent Edinger , tigers Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:40:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles Stiffer springs would no doubt fix that. On 12/18/09, Brent Edinger wrote: > I ran a set of these on my Alpine race car and the only problem I > encountered > was when I ran a set of 185/60-13 > tires the oil pan would scrape the track under heavy braking. (all braking > is > heavy when racing). With the 205/60-13 > tires it didn't scrape but I bet it was very close. Don't know if the tiger > pan has better clearance but I wouldn't run them on the street. > Other then that the car handled great with them installed. I bought one, in > 1990 from RJ Grimes and the other from a wrecking yard in > Australia. > Brent > > >>they are available (maybe more so in england and probably australia) since >>they were used on other rootes cars such as the later minx. be prepared >>for lots of geometry analysis and testing if you make the swap.... > >>On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Smit, Theo > wrotewrote>: > >> How obtainable are the drop spindles these days? Not that I'm keen on >> diving into the front suspension again but it would be a good set of parts >> to have. >> >> Theo > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 18:19:32 2009 From: Marc James Small To: "Brent Edinger" ,"tigers" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:08:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles At 07:36 PM 12/17/2009, Brent Edinger wrote: Thank you, Brother Edinger. Now, pray, share with us the basic concept: what in the world are "drop spindles" I suspect I must know this before I can die happy. Do not let me down. I am VERY thick-witted: it took me seven months when I lived in Connecticut to understand why I had become a "gear head" just because I was cleaning piston heads. Curt Meinel can tell you how monomaniacal I can be .... Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 18:34:20 2009 From: michael king To: Marc James Small Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:23:07 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles > Thank you, Brother Edinger. Now, pray, share with > us the basic concept: what in the world are "drop spindles" > > > Marc > The spindles that mount your front wheels have a point where they extend out.. on later model hillmans they used the same spindle but the pitching point for the wheel attachment is higher up.. so the mounts etc remain in the same place.. but the body is effectively lowered over the wheels. > -- > Regards > > Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 18:35:24 2009 From: Owain Lloyd To: Marc James Small , Brent Edinger Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:34:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles stub axles with the spindle closer to the mid point of the lower and upper a-arms. Its lowers the wheel into the body. Also screws up bump steer. (As if it was ever perfect....) On 12/18/09, Marc James Small wrote: > At 07:36 PM 12/17/2009, Brent Edinger wrote: > > Thank you, Brother Edinger. Now, pray, share with > us the basic concept: what in the world are "drop spindles" > > I suspect I must know this before I can die > happy. Do not let me down. I am VERY > thick-witted: it took me seven months when I > lived in Connecticut to understand why I had > become a "gear head" just because I was cleaning piston heads. > > Curt Meinel can tell you how monomaniacal I can be .... > > Marc > > > msmall@aya.yale.edu > Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 18:50:45 2009 From: "Jim" To: "'Marc James Small'" , "'Brent Edinger'" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:49:56 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles Marc The dropped spindles can be had from a Hillman Minx ( series V & VI ), Singer Gazelle ( series V & VI ) and Sunbeam Rapier (series IV & V ) that were produced from late '63 to '67 . From what I've been told, they only came on cars sold in the U.K. , Australia and New Zealand although I've come across a few rare others... They have the stub axle located exactly 7/8" higher than Alpine/Tiger spindles which effectively lowers the car the same amount. I have 3 sets that I've acquired over the years at no small expense. One set is for sale at the right price... Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Marc James Small Sent: December 17, 2009 5:08 PM To: Brent Edinger; tigers; Alpine List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles At 07:36 PM 12/17/2009, Brent Edinger wrote: Thank you, Brother Edinger. Now, pray, share with us the basic concept: what in the world are "drop spindles" I suspect I must know this before I can die happy. Do not let me down. I am VERY thick-witted: it took me seven months when I lived in Connecticut to understand why I had become a "gear head" just because I was cleaning piston heads. Curt Meinel can tell you how monomaniacal I can be .... Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 19:04:25 2009 From: "Brent Edinger" To: "tigers" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:58:03 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Drop Spindles ----- Original Message ----- From: Brent Edinger To: Jim Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles I probably should have done the math on the front geometry before running them, but in the old spirit of racing I just bolted then on and went racing. I knew lowering the car would help and it did. As far as bump steer goes the suspension didn't have much travel so I didn't notice any difference. My old car is still running around in the northwest vintage group SOVREN and I bet the current owner doesn't know about the special spindles on it. Brent Subject: RE: [Tigers] Drop Spindles Marc The dropped spindles can be had from a Hillman Minx ( series V & VI ), Singer Gazelle ( series V & VI ) and Sunbeam Rapier (series IV & V ) that were produced from late '63 to '67 . From what I've been told, they only came on cars sold in the U.K. , Australia and New Zealand although I've come across a few rare others... They have the stub axle located exactly 7/8" higher than Alpine/Tiger spindles which effectively lowers the car the same amount. I have 3 sets that I've acquired over the years at no small expense. One set is for sale at the right price... Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Marc James Small Sent: December 17, 2009 5:08 PM To: Brent Edinger; tigers; Alpine List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles At 07:36 PM 12/17/2009, Brent Edinger wrote: Thank you, Brother Edinger. Now, pray, share with us the basic concept: what in the world are "drop spindles" I suspect I must know this before I can die happy. Do not let me down. I am VERY thick-witted: it took me seven months when I lived in Connecticut to understand why I had become a "gear head" just because I was cleaning piston heads. Curt Meinel can tell you how monomaniacal I can be .... Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 19:19:47 2009 From: Marc James Small To: michael king Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:13:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles At 08:23 PM 12/17/2009, michael king wrote: >Thank you, Brother Edinger. Now, pray, share with >us the basic concept: what in the world are "drop spindles" > > >Marc > >The spindles that mount your front wheels have a point where they >extend out.. on later model hillmans they used the same spindle but >the pitching point for the wheel attachment is higher up.. so the >mounts etc remain in the same place.. but the body is effectively >lowered over the wheels. Thank you, Michael. Say all again all after, as they say. This is gibberish. I do not know what "a point where they extend out" means in common English. Marc _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 19:34:28 2009 From: Marc James Small To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com,Brent Edinger , tigers Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:16:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles At 08:34 PM 12/17/2009, Owain Lloyd wrote: >stub axles with the spindle closer to the mid point of the lower and >upper a-arms. Its lowers the wheel into the body. Also screws up >bump steer. (As if it was ever perfect....) Thank you, kind sir. You are trying to communicate, but what you are saying is gibberish. Why cannot you folks just can the technical language and give us the actual stuff. Why not reference drawings? Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 19:35:31 2009 From: Marc James Small To: "Jim" ,"'Brent Edinger'" , Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:19:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles At 08:49 PM 12/17/2009, Jim wrote: >The dropped spindles can be had from a Hillman Minx ( series V & VI ), >Singer Gazelle ( series V & VI ) and Sunbeam Rapier (series IV & V ) that >were produced from late '63 to '67 . From what I've been told, they only >came on cars sold in the U.K. , Australia and New Zealand although I've come >across a few rare others... >They have the stub axle located exactly 7/8" higher than Alpine/Tiger >spindles which effectively lowers the car the same amount. I have 3 sets >that I've acquired over the years at no small expense. One set is for sale >at the right price... Thank you. But I have not the slightest idea of what you are speaking. What the hell is a "drop axle"? Is there anyone out there who can set this out in Layman's Terms or who can provide a drawing of what we are discussing. I am a dimwit and I am at a loss. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 19:35:38 2009 From: Marc James Small To: "Brent Edinger" ,"tigers" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:35:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Drop Spindles At 08:58 PM 12/17/2009, Brent Edinger wrote: > The dropped spindles can be had from a Hillman Minx ( series V & VI ), > Singer Gazelle ( series V & VI ) and Sunbeam Rapier (series IV & V ) that > were produced from late '63 to '67 . From what I've been told, they only > came on cars sold in the U.K. , Australia and New Zealand although I've >come > across a few rare others... > They have the stub axle located exactly 7/8" higher than Alpine/Tiger > spindles which effectively lowers the car the same amount. I have 3 sets > that I've acquired over the years at no small expense. One set is for sale > at the right price... > I remain at a loss. For the Fifteenth Time, can someone tell me what a sub axle is and why a drop axle is a cool thing? I have never heard the terms. Must be a SoCcal thing. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 20:21:24 2009 From: Marc James Small To: "Carl McLelland" ,"Jim" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:21:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Alpines] Drop Spindles At 10:04 PM 12/17/2009, Carl McLelland wrote: >Raise the spindle height so the front of the car >sits lower. Another alternative that I did on my >old S1 race car was to drill out the rivets in >the coil spring buckets, lower the bocket then >weld it into place. Lowers the front without >altering the suspension geometry. a block of >aluminum between the rear leaf springs and axle >tube to lower the rear and the car is back in >symmetry. To make the lever shocks work good, a >50/50 misture of 15wt motorcycle fork tube oil >and STP. A good handling Alpine at minimum cost. May we try this again in basic English for those of us who were not raised in West Bengal? Would someone else try to translate this stuff? How does raising the spindle height raise the sit of the car, and why ought I to care? Pray, tell me! Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 20:50:57 2009 From: Stephen Waybright To: Marc James Small , Jim , Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:50:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles Marc, These guys are using the layman terminology. It's a pretty common thing to car guys, but if you don't know these phrases, it's pretty tough to explain.Do a Google search on "drop spindle"... you'll find plenty of info. ----- Original Message ---- From: Marc James Small To: Jim ; Brent Edinger ; tigers ; Alpine List Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 9:19:20 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles At 08:49 PM 12/17/2009, Jim wrote: >The dropped spindles can be had from a Hillman Minx ( series V & VI ), >Singer Gazelle ( series V & VI ) and Sunbeam Rapier (series IV & V ) that >were produced from late '63 to '67 . From what I've been told, they only >came on cars sold in the U.K. , Australia and New Zealand although I've come >across a few rare others... >They have the stub axle located exactly 7/8" higher than Alpine/Tiger >spindles which effectively lowers the car the same amount. I have 3 sets >that I've acquired over the years at no small expense. One set is for sale >at the right price... Thank you. But I have not the slightest idea of what you are speaking. What the hell is a "drop axle"? Is there anyone out there who can set this out in Layman's Terms or who can provide a drawing of what we are discussing. I am a dimwit and I am at a loss. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! You are subscribed as gswaybright@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 21:07:45 2009 From: Stephen Waybright To: Marc James Small , Carl McLelland Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:07:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Alpines] Drop Spindles Watch this video for an explanation of why you'd want to lower a car, and explanation of how the drop spindle accomplishes that better than other approaches: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRDEO-U-24U&feature=related Best regards, Stephen Waybright www.linkedin.com/in/gswaybright ----- Original Message ---- From: Marc James Small To: Carl McLelland ; Jim ; Brent Edinger ; tigers ; Alpine List Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 10:21:01 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Alpines] Drop Spindles At 10:04 PM 12/17/2009, Carl McLelland wrote: >Raise the spindle height so the front of the car >sits lower. Another alternative that I did on my >old S1 race car was to drill out the rivets in >the coil spring buckets, lower the bocket then >weld it into place. Lowers the front without >altering the suspension geometry. a block of >aluminum between the rear leaf springs and axle >tube to lower the rear and the car is back in >symmetry. To make the lever shocks work good, a >50/50 misture of 15wt motorcycle fork tube oil >and STP. A good handling Alpine at minimum cost. May we try this again in basic English for those of us who were not raised in West Bengal? Would someone else try to translate this stuff? How does raising the spindle height raise the sit of the car, and why ought I to care? Pray, tell me! Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! You are subscribed as gswaybright@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 21:52:47 2009 From: Marc James Small To: Alpine List ,Brent Edinger Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:40:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles Pray,, let us keep the discussion concentrated on those of us who are interested. You Tiger guys seem to want to wander off into personal discussions. Pray, keep those of the Alpine list in the discussion. Marc _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 17 21:53:05 2009 From: David Sosna To: tigers Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:48:38 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Alpines] Drop Spindles Stephen--that was pretty good! Marc, this might also help: http://www.classicperform.com/tech_articles/BowTieDrop/BowTieDrop.htm Look at picture #3. It shows the spindle mounted higher on the steering knuckle than on the stock steering knuckle on the right. Actually, the name 'drop spindle' is something I've found a bit misleading. On a drop spindle, the spindle itself is mounted higher in order to drop the car down lower. Seems counterintuitive. Oh: http://dictionary.babylon.com/Steering%20knuckle And this: http://www.2carpros.com/forum/1991-chevy-van--steering-knuckle-vt373659.html look at item #1 on the left--that's the steering knuckle--the pointy bit sticking out to the right is the spindle. Best Regards David Sosna Stephen Waybright wrote: > Watch this video for an explanation of why you'd want to lower a car, and explanation of how the drop spindle accomplishes that better than other approaches: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRDEO-U-24U&feature=related > > Best regards, > Stephen Waybright > www.linkedin.com/in/gswaybright _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 08:07:28 2009 From: Dave Munroe To: Marc James Small , Alpine List Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:07:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles Marc; I feel your pain. But part of the fun of owning these cars is knowing how they work. Your problem with the "jargon" is not limited to automobiles. Try and butt into a conversation sometime between medical doctors in full discussion mode using their specific language. Not likely any of us, (other than those who are medically trained) would catch more than the odd word. Ask Santa for a couple of Tiger repair books, or check-out the Tiger/Alpine website tech sites, and learn some of the terminology. The broad strokes of car repair do have their own language, but it is easily and quickly learned, especially by someone like you who is gifted with a good intellect but hampered by, forgive me, an attitude. This knowledge is what brings the group together, and allows us to explain our problems to each other, and understand the solutions known to others who have a deep interest in these cars and are willing to share their knowledge. Put a little effort in, get a lot of information out. Educate yourself, you will enjoy this list much more than you do now! All the best, Dave Munroe B382000450 > Pray,, let us keep the discussion concentrated on those of us who are > interested. You Tiger guys seem to want to wander off into personal > discussions. Pray, keep those of the Alpine list in the discussion. > > Marc _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 09:24:30 2009 From: "Jim & Carolyn Burruss" To: Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:16:29 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles When I rebuilt the suspension on my '65 Tiger, which I had lowered with shorter springs many years earlier, I switched to a set of the dropped spindles. I acquired them from a friend who had imported three sets from Australia. The dropped spindles, plus a minor modification to my lower shock mounts, restored some of my previously lost suspension travel. As previously stated, the drop spindles alone lower the car 7/8". My car is about 1.5" lower than stock, has shortened CAT springs and 205/60-13 tires, and I have never bottomed the oil pan. Lowering a car by shortening the springs will affect bump steer. Using the drop spindles with stock height springs (and stock A-arm mounting points) will not alter bump steer characteristics. Jim Burruss _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 09:54:40 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:42:33 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles "Lowering a car by shortening the springs will affect bump steer. Using the drop spindles with stock height springs (and stock A-arm mounting points) will not alter bump steer characteristics." I have no experience with drop spindles on a Tiger, but I have run them on other projects in past years. I agree with Jim's last statement about them not affecting geometry. Since the CL of the "axle" is affectively just higher on the hub,(resulting in a lower front end) there shouldn't be any change in bump steer since the actual suspension characteristics remain unchanged. All you are really changing would be like locating the tires higher in the fender opening, and the rest of the chassis is in its natural state if you changed nothing else. The only thing that gets compromised is ground clearance and suspension travel /clear distance of movement to the body. So unless your tires hit your fenders or the loss of clearance caused rubbing somewhere, the car should ride and drive exactly the same...well maybe except the CG might be a bit lower...which is usually a good thing! So, I'll ask the question...how much does it cost to get a set from one of you guys who has them? Not sure how bad I want them, but every car I've ever owned looked better to me about 3/4" lower to the ground....( I'm sure I will encounter some resistance with that statement, but I've had quite a few "slightly lowered" cars.....like ....10 at least, so I'm not ignorant on it, just curious about cost.) Thanks! Cullen '1452 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 10:08:35 2009 From: coolvt@aol.com To: cmccann@lwpb.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:03:59 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles Continuing the theory of lowering the front end....what happens if it's lowered and the rear remains at the original height? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 10:23:51 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: "coolvt@aol.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:09:40 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles Continuing the theory of lowering the front end....what happens if it's lowered and the rear remains at the original height? HEHE...hey mark....well we will have to go back to the early 80's to see that. And also the rear tires would need to stick out of the fenders at least an inch. I guess it should be assumed that the car should sit somewhat level...but "traditionally" it's pretty simple to lower a leaf spring setup... I don't know how I feel about it yet on this car....I have a little Sunbeam angel on my left shoulder and a little demon on my right...one encourages me to tweak on the car in such areas ( like every other car I ever own, I enjoyed it more when it was custom) or "cullen, leave this one alone, it deserves to remain unchanged....to honor its heritage...blah blah..." and all that. I'm not trying to get back into that old discussion about modifying, but this entire thread on dropped spindles is considering a fairly substantial change in the look of the car.... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 10:25:10 2009 From: Marc James Small To: Dave Munroe ,Alpine List , Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:11:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles At 10:07 AM 12/18/2009, Dave Munroe wrote: >Ask Santa for a couple of Tiger repair books, or check-out the Tiger/Alpine >website tech sites, and learn some of the terminology. The broad strokes of >car repair do have their own language, but it is easily and quickly learned, >especially by someone like you who is gifted with a good intellect but >hampered by, forgive me, an attitude. This knowledge is what brings the >group together, and allows us to explain our problems to each other, and >understand the solutions known to others who have a deep interest in these >cars and are willing to share their knowledge. I suspect that I own more Sunbeam tech literature than most on the List. None discuss "drop spindles". I am waiting for someone to explain the term in layman's terms. So far, all we know is that they were offered on post-Tiger and post-Alpine Sunbeam and Hillman cars. Now, WHAT they are, no one has said, just that they were available late in the Sunbeam game. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 10:25:29 2009 From: Marc James Small To: "Jan Eyerman" , Alpine List Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:13:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Alpines] Drop Spindles At 11:01 AM 12/18/2009, Jan Eyerman wrote: >Marc, > >The best way to think about this, if you are not a "gearhead", is to just >think of the front wheels in relation to the body of the car. A "drop >spindle" effectively lowers the body of the car in relation to the front >wheels. A spindle is the short axle that the front wheel is connected to. If >the spindle or axle is closer to the top of the car, the car will be lower to >ground. A "drop spindle" is a shortened form meaning a "spindle that drops >(lowers) the body of the car in relation to the ground". In this kind of >situation fractions of an inch are a lot. A "dropped spindle" that lowers a >car 3/4" is a lot. From a language point of view, the term "dropped spindle" >is incorrect. If the spindle is dropped the car would actually sit higher off >the ground, however the term is really a contraction. In short, it is >jargon. > Thanks, Jan. I still do not see the benefit of such, but, then, I never had any problem with Alpine handling. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 10:40:14 2009 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Doornbos, Daniel" , Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:24:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire Size Question - Turned to Wheels/cross member Hi Dan, I don't have any closeup pictures at hand but there are a couple of pics taken by someone at the European car show this summer... http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveseven/3736461357/in/photostream/ The outside plane of the wheels (and the outboard edge of the tire tread) sits just outside the fender lip when viewed from above, with the suspension at "normal" ride height. Because of some front suspension shenanigans, the camber gain is enough to pull the upper end of the tire tread inboard so that it stays clear of the fender. However, getting it to clear the forward fender lip and valence when the tires are turned took some metal shaping. When I was rebuilding the front suspension, it became obvious that it had at one (or more) points in its previous ownership suffered some serious suspension mishaps - probably a lower balljoint failure, judging by the gouges on the outboard end of the right lower control arm. The upper control arm towers were each twisted in the same direction by something like 10 degrees, so that proper alignment required offset wedges at the front of one control arm and at the rear of the other. I cut the whole upper tower off, and drilled (cut?) a 4" hole in the crossmember where the shock towers were. Then I built up a new pair of shock/spring/upper control arm towers to fit Aldan coilover shocks. The lower control arm got a similar hole and a removable frame that locates the lower shock eye. The upper control arm pivot is located 1" lower than stock, which increases the camber gain. The sway bar is mounted on a pair of forward extensions from the lower crossmember, set in UHMW bearing blocks, and tied to the lower control arms with a set of Energy Suspension swaybar bushings and bolts. It's not as geometrically correct, light, rigid, or adjustable as the ToyzJunkie front end, but it got me the main things I wanted, which was to eliminate the suspension binding, and to be able to set the ride height where I wanted. There are several other bonuses but I don't want to delve any deeper into the jargon ;) . Cheers, Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 10:54:13 2009 From: "Buck Trippel" To: , , Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:43:32 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles Rake is OK but most, like Owain also lower the rear. Most use lowering blocks but I prefer Rob's reverse shacklers springs. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles > Continuing the theory of lowering the front end....what happens if it's > lowered and the rear remains at the original height? > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 11:24:23 2009 From: mwood24020@aol.com To: marcsmall@comcast.net, jan.eyerman@usa.net, alpines@autox.team.net, Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:00:48 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Alpines] Drop Spindles Raising the spindle height ("drop spindle") will effect the height of the roll center and the roll couple. Particularly in a car like the Tiger/Alpine, with a poor camber curve, there are definite handling benefits...much better than dialing in a bunch of static camber and "freezing" travel with a super stiff spring rate, which is the more common option. In a message dated 12/18/2009 9:25:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, marcsmall@comcast.net writes: At 11:01 AM 12/18/2009, Jan Eyerman wrote: >Marc, > >The best way to think about this, if you are not a "gearhead", is to just >think of the front wheels in relation to the body of the car. A "drop >spindle" effectively lowers the body of the car in relation to the front >wheels. A spindle is the short axle that the front wheel is connected to. If >the spindle or axle is closer to the top of the car, the car will be lower to >ground. A "drop spindle" is a shortened form meaning a "spindle that drops >(lowers) the body of the car in relation to the ground". In this kind of >situation fractions of an inch are a lot. A "dropped spindle" that lowers a >car 3/4" is a lot. From a language point of view, the term "dropped spindle" >is incorrect. If the spindle is dropped the car would actually sit higher off >the ground, however the term is really a contraction. In short, it is >jargon. > Thanks, Jan. I still do not see the benefit of such, but, then, I never had any problem with Alpine handling. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! You are subscribed as mwood24020@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 11:24:57 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:07:56 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles >>>I am waiting for someone to explain the term in layman's terms.<<< Since I teach for a living I'll give it a try: 1. The purpose of the drop spindle is to lower the front end of the car. 2. To see for yourself how this works, remove one of your front wheels, calipers and rotors. You will see a tapered stub axle that is sticking out horizontally on the spindle. 3. A "dropped" spindle has the stub axle mounted higher on the spindle. It is like when you put a hook on a picture to hang on the wall. Relative to the nail on the wall remaining in the same spot, the higher you put the hook on the picture, the lower the picture will hang. In the same way the higher the stub axle is mounted on the spindle, the lower the car will sit. As someone already indicated "dropped" is an interesting term. It is derived from the fact that the car itself effectively "drops" closer to the ground because the stub axle is moved higher on the spindle. That fact can create confusion in understanding what a dropped spindle is. 4. Commonly people cut, soften or have shorter springs created to lower the car. This causes the suspension (A-arms, steering rack arm attachment points) to function in a less than ideal position. 5. Drop spindles leave the suspension in its original location, but still lower the car. 6. The advantage of a dropped spindle is a lowered car without the disadvantage of altered suspension geometry. I can't explain it any simpler than that. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc James Small" To: "Dave Munroe" ; "Alpine List" ; "tigers" Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles > At 10:07 AM 12/18/2009, Dave Munroe wrote: > > >Ask Santa for a couple of Tiger repair books, or check-out the > >Tiger/Alpine > >website tech sites, and learn some of the terminology. The broad strokes > >of > >car repair do have their own language, but it is easily and quickly > learned, > >especially by someone like you who is gifted with a good intellect but > >hampered by, forgive me, an attitude. This knowledge is what brings the > >group together, and allows us to explain our problems to each other, and > >understand the solutions known to others who have a deep interest in > >these > >cars and are willing to share their knowledge. > > > I suspect that I own more Sunbeam tech literature > than most on the List. None discuss "drop > spindles". I am waiting for someone to explain > the term in layman's terms. So far, all we know > is that they were offered on post-Tiger and > post-Alpine Sunbeam and Hillman cars. Now, WHAT > they are, no one has said, just that they were > available late in the Sunbeam game. > > Marc > > > msmall@aya.yale.edu > Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as atwittsend@verizon.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.113/2573 - Release Date: 12/18/09 07:35:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 11:40:23 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:11:54 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Alpines] Drop Spindles >>>I am waiting for someone to explain the term in layman's terms.<<< Since I teach for a living I'll give it a try: 1. The purpose of the drop spindle is to lower the front end of the car. 2. To see for yourself how this works, remove one of your front wheels, calipers and rotors. You will see a tapered stub axle that is sticking out horizontally on the spindle. 3. A "dropped" spindle has the stub axle mounted higher on the spindle. It is like when you put a hook on a picture to hang on the wall. Relative to the nail on the wall remaining in the same spot, the higher you put the hook on the picture, the lower the picture will hang. In the same way the higher the stub axle is mounted on the spindle, the lower the car will sit. As someone already indicated "dropped" is an interesting term. It is derived from the fact that the car itself effectively "drops" closer to the ground because the stub axle is moved higher on the spindle. That fact can create confusion in understanding what a dropped spindle is. 4. Commonly people cut, soften or have shorter springs created to lower the car. This causes the suspension (A-arms, steering rack arm attachment points) to function in a less than ideal position. 5. Drop spindles leave the suspension in its original location, but still lower the car. 6. The advantage of a dropped spindle is a lowered car without the disadvantage of altered suspension geometry. I can't explain it any simpler than that. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 11:41:38 2009 From: Stephen Waybright To: coolvt@aol.com, cmccann@lwpb.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:16:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles How technical should we get on this??? It depends on how much the drop, but in general if nothing else is changed I believe front caster angle increases (not bad in itself), understeer should decrease (or oversteer increase depending where things started) since the front end should turn in better and have less roll whereas the rear will not improve appreciably in this area since the lower CG is the result changes of weight height mostly at the front end. The best solution is to drop the rear as well so you capture the same handling benefits at that end of the car. Just keep it high enough not to cause other problems like rubbing or hitting the bump stops prematurely (very bad surprise if you're cornering at the time). From the aesthetic side of things, most prefer a slight forward rake (the front is slightly lower than the rear). As example, I just installed adjustable Koni's and stiffer lowering springs on my '02 WRX wagon. I chose springs that lowered front ~ 1.5" and rear ~ 3/4" since in stock form it looks like the front is way too high. This also comprehends the fact that adding passengers and luggage will affect the rear ride height more than the front, so being a little more conservative in lowering the rear is a god idea for how I sometimes use the car. I timmed the bump stops by ~ 3/4" so suspension travel is not affected in the rear and only slightly in front. This may not be true in all suspension designs, but it works as such on the WRX. That all said, older drag racers seem to jack up the rear a lot, I assume simply to fit big tires and allow for the extreme loading of the rear suspension while launching the car. I think they now just open up the wheel wells and use stiffer springs and mightier traction bars. Can anyone clarify this? Best regards, Stephen Waybright 585-905-5842 (m) 585-624-3482 (h) www.linkedin.com/in/gswaybright ----- Original Message ---- From: "coolvt@aol.com" To: cmccann@lwpb.com; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 12:03:59 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles Continuing the theory of lowering the front end....what happens if it's lowered and the rear remains at the original height? You are subscribed as gswaybright@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 11:56:53 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Marc James Small'" , "'tigers'" Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:32:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Alpines] Drop Spindles Marc Lowering a vehicle generally increases the stability of the vehicle by lowering it's center of gravity. Remember the SUV roll over issue. If you load an SUV inside and on the roof like many do; the center of gravity moves up and in some cases up near shoulder height sitting in the vehicle. If ,in a tight turn, the lean of the vehicle puts that center of gravity outside the wheel base; the vehicle will roll over. Very unstable. I suspect the center of gravity on Tigers and Alpines is somewhere around your hip sitting in the car. This is a very stable condition for leaning through corners. As you increase the speed of the vehicle, stability becomes even more important. Does that help? Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Marc James Small Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:14 PM To: Jan Eyerman; Alpine List; Brent Edinger; tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Alpines] Drop Spindles At 11:01 AM 12/18/2009, Jan Eyerman wrote: >Marc, > >The best way to think about this, if you are not a "gearhead", is to just >think of the front wheels in relation to the body of the car. A "drop >spindle" effectively lowers the body of the car in relation to the front >wheels. A spindle is the short axle that the front wheel is connected to. If >the spindle or axle is closer to the top of the car, the car will be lower to >ground. A "drop spindle" is a shortened form meaning a "spindle that drops >(lowers) the body of the car in relation to the ground". In this kind of >situation fractions of an inch are a lot. A "dropped spindle" that lowers a >car 3/4" is a lot. From a language point of view, the term "dropped spindle" >is incorrect. If the spindle is dropped the car would actually sit higher off >the ground, however the term is really a contraction. In short, it is >jargon. > Thanks, Jan. I still do not see the benefit of such, but, then, I never had any problem with Alpine handling. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.111/2570 - Release Date: 12/18/09 07:35:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 12:09:25 2009 From: "Doornbos, Daniel" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:47:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles /raked cars > Continuing the theory of lowering the front end....what happens if it's > lowered and the rear remains at the original height? Don't you guys know? That's the super secret way to increased gas mileage! Lowering the front end and/or jacking up the rear end sets up your car so it is always going downhill and taking advantage of gravity every where it goes to get better gas mileage! :) dan _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 12:34:23 2009 From: "rande" To: jan.eyerman@usa.net Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:05:47 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] white cars Counterpoint to Jan's early feelings about white cars in upstate New York, I remember driving a '64 Thunderbird convert, black outside-black vinyl inside-black top-no A/C, in August in the mid 60's in Los Angeles. It look stunning, and it was hotter than... well, you know. One of my school mates told me to park it next to a white car, and do the touch test. The white car was warm to the touch, the black TBird could have subbed for your griddle in the kitchen. Probably explains why I see lots of late model white cars in the Valley and Palmdale/Lancaster when I visit home _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 12:54:29 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:38:05 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles /raked cars Rake/Gravity. Yes, and let us not forget that same raked gravity overloads the SU fuel pump, stresses lower fulcrum pins (that one probably is for real) and by gosh, I think even has some loosening effect on the cars I.D. plate rivets! Had (raked) Tigers come with cup holders I'm sure Lattes would be would be dripping over the rim. So, while there may be implied mileage advantages to rake the disadvantages sure seem to offset the gain. Lastly, if you still insist upon rake, make sure to adjust your horn block off plates to compensate for the new angle. All in fun of course. :-) Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 12:55:26 2009 From: Marc James Small To: Alpine List ,tigers Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:40:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Alpines] Drop Spindles Thanks, guys. I see what a "drop spindle" is now. Never heard the term before but, then, I've never spent much time studying suspension geometries. I was always happy with Alpine handling. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 14:24:47 2009 From: "Jim & Carolyn Burruss" To: "Buck Trippel" Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:11:39 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles Buck, Thanks for your very gentle correction. I had to refer to the only picture I took of the original and "drop" spindles side by side while I was rebuilding my front suspension. And you are entirely correct. The mounting bosses for the brake calipers must also relocate higher on the "drop" spindle to maintain proper relationship. The Tiger's detachable steering arms also mount to these bosses, so the steering arm is relocated higher in relation to the steering rack, and the angle of the tie rods is changed. Generally, lowering spindles that have integral steering arms retain the stock steering arm position between the upper and lower ball joints and thus do not alter the original steering geometry, all other things being equal (as you well know; I'm preaching to the choir here). Obviously, it was unwise to generalize about our Tigers, and I want to share this with the list. Jim Burruss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buck Trippel" To: "Jim & Carolyn Burruss" Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles > PRIVATE > > Hi Jim, > > On some cars, using a dropped spindle would not affect bump steer. However > the Rootes dropped spindle "moves" the steering arm as well. (actually the > outboard end of the drag link stays at the same height above the ground > however its inboard end at the rack is lowered. This causes a bump steer > change. The stock bump steer measurement is terrible so some might not > notice the difference. (John Morton describes it as "twitchy".) > > Not counting computer modeling, I've done over 100 hours of bump steer > work on the Tiger front end but I've been mainly optimizing the MG arms, > not the shorter Tiger arms so I can't quote exact stock numbers. However I > have used both stock and dropped so I know there is a change. > > Dale and I separately developed steering arms for different Tiger > applications that resulted in bump below .010" throughout the range of > travel as compared to stock which my fuzzy recollection has somewhere > larger than .150". (I've seen some Tiger numbers between .375" - .500".) > > Buck Trippel > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim & Carolyn Burruss" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 8:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles > > >> When I rebuilt the suspension on my '65 Tiger, which I had lowered with >> shorter springs many years earlier, I switched to a set of the dropped >> spindles. I acquired them from a friend who had imported three sets from >> Australia. The dropped spindles, plus a minor modification to my lower >> shock >> mounts, restored some of my previously lost suspension travel. As >> previously >> stated, the drop spindles alone lower the car 7/8". My car is about 1.5" >> lower than stock, has shortened CAT springs and 205/60-13 tires, and I >> have >> never bottomed the oil pan. >> >> Lowering a car by shortening the springs will affect bump steer. Using >> the >> drop spindles with stock height springs (and stock A-arm mounting points) >> will >> not alter bump steer characteristics. >> >> Jim Burruss >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as bucktrippel@verizon.net >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 16:24:55 2009 From: michael king To: Marc James Small Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:22:09 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Alpines] Drop Spindles 2009/12/19 Marc James Small > Thanks, guys. I see what a "drop spindle" is > now. Never heard the term before but, then, I've > never spent much time studying suspension > geometries. I was always happy with Alpine handling. > > > Marc > Marc, I had sent you a series of diagrams explaining the drop spindles 18 hours before you sent your email stating you understood what they were and several emails after you continued to probe people on "what they meant by....". I emailed you privately asking if you wanted some illustrations to explain it, to which you responded you did and then receieved. I cant imagine you are not having a bit of fun with the list pleading such ignorance and lack of understanding.. given you did not bother to acknowledge the mail i sent with the diagrams and the fact you continued to probe peoples reposnse on the gorunds of teminology i'd say you either have a lot of reading to do.. or to much time on your hands.. last time i will bother putting in any effort on this front. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 16:55:28 2009 From: David T Johnson To: "coolvt@aol.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:46:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles Lowering the front while keeping the rear at the original height is a great idea. It means you're always driving down hill. Also great for locating speed bumps at night. --- On Fri, 12/18/09, Cullen McCann wrote: From: Cullen McCann Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles To: "coolvt@aol.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 5:09 PM Continuing the theory of lowering the front end....what happens if it's lowered and the rear remains at the original height? HEHE...hey mark....well we will have to go back to the early 80's to see that. And also the rear tires would need to stick out of the fenders at least an inch. I guess it should be assumed that the car should sit somewhat level...but "traditionally" it's pretty simple to lower a leaf spring setup... I don't know how I feel about it yet on this car....I have a little Sunbeam angel on my left shoulder and a little demon on my right...one encourages me to tweak on the car in such areas ( like every other car I ever own, I enjoyed it more when it was custom) or "cullen, leave this one alone, it deserves to remain unchanged....to honor its heritage...blah blah..." and all that. I'm not trying to get back into that old discussion about modifying, but this entire thread on dropped spindles is considering a fairly substantial change in the look of the car.... You are subscribed as djoh797014@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 18:40:50 2009 From: rab65tiger@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:11:57 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Drop Spindles I have an old STOA set of shop notes/ tech tips from 1976/77 time frame that shows lowering the upper A arm similiar to the "Shelby Mustang" trick. The idea is not really to lower the car, but to alter the geometry to add "camber" curve into front suspension, which is supposed to be good for auto cross performance driving, but possibley at cost of reduced ride qaulity for normal touring type driving. I think in the process the car would be lowered some, not sure about the plus and minus of this suspension mod. Anyone have any experience with this arrangement on Tigers to share. The actual book is on loan to fellow Tiger guy so I do not have alot of details right now, but I think the lowered about 3/4" and rear hole a little lower for anti-dive (less back end coming up under hard braking). Randy B _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 19:12:13 2009 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: "'michael king'" , Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:53:39 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Marc, e-mails and dropped spindles Michael, After reading your e-mail, I now better understand why reading Marc's e-mails always makes me think of a T-shirt worn by a friend of my grandson. It reads, "You gave me complete control of your mind for the time it took you to read this T-shirt." Best regards, A. C. Tynes New Orleans _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 19:59:37 2009 From: Marc James Small To: michael king Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:30:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Alpines] Drop Spindles At 06:22 PM 12/18/2009, michael king wrote: >2009/12/19 Marc James Small ><marcsmall@comcast.net> >Thanks, guys. I see what a "drop spindle" is >now. Never heard the term before but, then, I've >never spent much time studying suspension >geometries. I was always happy with Alpine handling. > > >Marc > > >Marc, > >I had sent you a series of diagrams explaining the drop spindles 18 >hours before you sent your email stating you understood what they >were and several emails after you continued to probe people on "what >they meant by....". I emailed you privately asking if you wanted >some illustrations to explain it, to which you responded you did and >then receieved. > >I cant imagine you are not having a bit of fun with the list >pleading such ignorance and lack of understanding.. given you did >not bother to acknowledge the mail i sent with the diagrams and the >fact you continued to probe peoples reposnse on the gorunds of >teminology i'd say you either have a lot of reading to do.. or to >much time on your hands.. last time i will bother putting in any >effort on this front. > > >-- >Regards > >Michael King Michael I have never received any follow-up e-mails from you. Comcast often dumps e-mails with attachments. That may have happened here. No need for them now. Best, Marc _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 18 20:14:01 2009 From: aaaglasss@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:58:26 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles You people are way off on this. What about when you are in reverse? The gas mileage in reverse is inversely proportional to the angle of the dangle. This makes it 12 times as bad as when the height was stock. This cancels any gain. The only way to get better mileage both ways is to use sand bags. Put them in the back for reverse and in the front valance for forward. I can't believe you people don't know this. It's called Shelby's Theorum. In a message dated 12/18/2009 3:55:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, djoh797014@yahoo.com writes: Lowering the front while keeping the rear at the original height is a great idea. It means you're always driving down hill. Also great for locating speed bumps at night. --- On Fri, 12/18/09, Cullen McCann wrote: From: Cullen McCann Subject: Re: [Tigers] Drop Spindles To: "coolvt@aol.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 5:09 PM Continuing the theory of lowering the front end....what happens if it's lowered and the rear remains at the original height? HEHE...hey mark....well we will have to go back to the early 80's to see that. And also the rear tires would need to stick out of the fenders at least an inch. I guess it should be assumed that the car should sit somewhat level...but "traditionally" it's pretty simple to lower a leaf spring setup... I don't know how I feel about it yet on this car....I have a little Sunbeam angel on my left shoulder and a little demon on my right...one encourages me to tweak on the car in such areas ( like every other car I ever own, I enjoyed it more when it was custom) or "cullen, leave this one alone, it deserves to remain unchanged....to honor its heritage...blah blah..." and all that. I'm not trying to get back into that old discussion about modifying, but this entire thread on dropped spindles is considering a fairly substantial change in the look of the car.... You are subscribed as djoh797014@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as aaaglasss@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 21 12:16:37 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub , Alpine List Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:51:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: I got it to work for me- now lets see if I can manage to get it to you via the LIST. Sorry for the earlier mistake. TtT http://bringatrailer.com/2009/12/21/nevada-washout-find-1954-sunbeam-alpine/#more- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 21 12:47:07 2009 From: arado7@sbcglobal.net To: Beamclub , Alpine List Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:33:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: just what I need. But it beats drop spindles. Cheers gary B9472283 lrxfe --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: [Tigers] Fw: To: "Beamclub" , "Alpine List" Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 6:51 PM I got it to work for me- now lets see if I can manage to get it to you via the LIST. Sorry for the earlier mistake. TtT http://bringatrailer.com/2009/12/21/nevada-washout-find-1954-sunbeam-alpine/# more- You are subscribed as arado7@sbcglobal.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 21 13:47:16 2009 From: coolvt@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:29:45 EST Subject: [Tigers] auctions-non Tiger Russo and Steele is advertising a new section of their auction...."Barn Finds". The thing is, the barn find has to be in running condition. I guess they only want things that bring decent bucks, but in my mind, it eliminates about 90% of the "real barn finds". The examples they have listed weren't really in a barn and forgotten. They are cars that have been safely stored for about 5 years. Mark L www.Russoandsteele.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 22 18:15:01 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:11:51 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] 2010 Beaulieu Auto-Jumble For those who have never heard of "Beaulieu", it is the premier automotive National Motor Museum in England, and worth a trip all by itself. The great hall has those Sunbeams that hold World Record titles, as well as the most complete collection of British cars and motorcycles. Here is an announcement of their 2010 Autojumble. An "Autojumble", in England, appears to be a combination outing and swap meet. Here is a link to the events, as well as a link to the Beaulieu Site as well: Beaulieu: (see the Grand Hall banner at the top) http://www.beaulieu.co.uk/ Autojumble: http://www.beaulieu.co.uk/beaulieu/Autojumbles2010 -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 24 10:50:00 2009 From: "John Dillman" To: Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:49:35 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] 2010 Beaulieu Auto-Jumble Steve is right about Beaulieu, and it is not too far from Brooklands, etc. Really neat place, and I bet the swap meet would be fantastic. The only problem is you have to drive to get there, and they haven't figured out the correct side of the road to do that on yet. Somewhere out there a Ford Focus rent a car is evidence of that . . .ahem . . . John Dillman _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 24 11:02:53 2009 From: spook01@comcast.net To: John Dillman Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:02:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2010 Beaulieu Auto-Jumble when is Beaulieu this year? ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Dillman" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 11:49:35 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Tigers] 2010 Beaulieu Auto-Jumble Steve is right about Beaulieu, and it is not too far from Brooklands, etc. B Really neat place, and I bet the swap meet would be fantastic. The only problem is you have to drive to get there, and they haven't figured out the correct side of the road to do that on yet. B Somewhere out there a Ford Focus rent a car is evidence of that . . .ahem . . . John Dillman Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 24 17:18:24 2009 From: David T Johnson To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:17:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Merry Christmas Listers Its great to be alive and celebrating Christmas as Tony T will tell you. Dave _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 24 17:47:55 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Tigers@autox.team.net, David T Johnson Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:44:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Merry Christmas Truer words have never been spoken, typed, written, quoted or passed on to such a great group of people- from the arch in St.Louis to both coast and our brothers across the pond(s). May ye ALL have the bestus Christmas since your childhood, your childrens smile to large for the digital cameras and the grandchildren in their teens before they admitt who Santa really is. Today I am THNAKFUL to be alive and for all my friends to be celebrating what tomorrow really is. I hope we all remember to give him THANKS prior to eating Christmas dinner. happiest Holidays everyone. TonytheTiger --- On Thu, 12/24/09, David T Johnson wrote: From: David T Johnson Subject: [Tigers] Merry Christmas To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 6:17 PM Listers Its great to be alive and celebrating Christmas as Tony T will tell you. Dave You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 24 18:03:01 2009 From: aaaglasss@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:02:09 EST Subject: [Tigers] Trade? _http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/1515364006.html_ (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/1515364006.html) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 24 21:03:07 2009 From: "DERRICK SCHMIDT" To: , David T Johnson Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:10:35 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Merry Christmas Don't know the story behind Tony T, but I do know that I am thankful for my health, family and friends. I am a Radiation Oncologist and I do almost all of the pediatric radiation oncology in my group. Fortunately it is rare, but not rare enough. Hug your kids today. Hug your kids often. Merry Christmas and Happy (and healthy) New Year. Derrick ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: David T Johnson Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:17:54 -0800 (PST) >Listers > >Its great to be alive and celebrating Christmas as Tony T will tell you. ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.starstream.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 26 23:01:21 2009 From: "Fabbro" To: Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:39:57 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] ANOTHER TIGER HAS BEEN SAVED!!!!!! Hello all On Christmas day I drove my wife's totally restored 1965 Sunbeam (Serial # B9470043) tiger home in to the garage and put a red bow on the pearl white hood for her Christmas present. She test drove it today for the first time. It was dry, bright and sunny here with the temperature at plus 4 Celsius. We had the top down so we had our winter clothing on. We have never driven or rode in a Tiger before so it was quite fun. She took the 260 two barrel at a full 1500 rpm shifts all the way to four gear (Wow LOL). She all so started out on a steep hill in second gear not knowing she done so. Also all ways left the turn signals on. I built the car from the start to her specifications here are some. Stock appearing car with, moon hub caps (Alpine) and trim rings on painted white steel wheels and white wall tires. Luggage rack, wood dash with a glove box, stock wood steering wheel and wood shifter knob to match. Very small cam in a 30 over 260engine with stock two barrel carb, ceramic coated headers, 2" stainless steel exhaust. Reinforced X member plus in the areas of traction bar and spring locations and front engine mounts. (Note to readers I build road race cars in my spare time). 3.05 with posi unit and Koni shocks with stock springs. I set the car up to take a 347 on fuel injection if she wants it later. From end to end the only items that are not new or 100 % restored or rebuilt are the two u joints on the drive shaft. For the people interested in the dollar amount. I did all my own work right down to taking apart and rebuilding all of the gages. I paid for body work and paint after I had media blasted and did all the proper frame, cross member modifications for more horse power later if she wants. I also paid a racing friend to rework the transmission and rear end with all new parts that I supplied. I purchased the Tiger, one donor car, and a shit load of Items on e-bay and from Sunbeam specialties, Victoria British and from over seas suppliers in England. Chrome some engine compartment items. Total cost for parts and materials and subcontracting out some of the work came to $32,867.98 Canadian. I purchasing the Tiger on Aug 20th 2007 accumulated the parts required up to October 15 2008 and worked on it in my spare time as a second job till Dec 25 2009. It runs great and strait as an arrow. I still have to put the soft top on and send the car back to the body shop for touch ups and detailing. Thanks for all the help on this forum and Peter Mc Donald (Owner of two Tigers just up the road from my shop) for allowing me to measure and photo his 1965 car. Next car appraisal and B.C. collector plates. Thanks all From Kim Fabbro and the new and happy owner and full time driver Pearl Fabbro Stock appearing 1965 Sunbeam Tiger 260, VIN # B9470043 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 26 23:47:03 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:30:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ANOTHER TIGER HAS BEEN SAVED!!!!!! Congratulation! Sounds like a great day. Sounds like a nice car. Any pictures? "Aug. 20, 2007 to Dec. 25, 2009." I'm jealous. Jan. 21, 2000 - still on jackstands Dec.26, 2009 here. Regards, Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 27 00:30:22 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: Fabbro Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 23:09:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] ANOTHER TIGER HAS BEEN SAVED!!!!!! May Pearl and yourself enjoy the addiction as much as the rest of us have. Congratulations on doing the work yourself and for thinking ahead, power wise. Please take pics and post them to a link so we may all enjoy the visual of your work. As you may know, they will remove the pics from this venue. Talk about a Happy New Year and "WHAT" a Christmas present. You will have a hard time ever outdoing this years present. TonytheTiger From: Fabbro Subject: [Tigers] ANOTHER TIGER HAS BEEN SAVED!!!!!! To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 11:39 PM Hello all On Christmas day I drove my wife's totally restored 1965 Sunbeam (Serial # B9470043) tiger home in to the garage and put a red bow on the pearl white hood for her Christmas present. She test drove it today for the first time. It was dry, bright and sunny here with the temperature at plus 4 Celsius. We had the top down so we had our winter clothing on. We have never driven or rode in a Tiger before so it was quite fun. She took the 260 two barrel at a full 1500 rpm shifts all the way to four gear (Wow LOL). She all so started out on a steep hill in second gear not knowing she done so. Also all ways left the turn signals on. I built the car from the start to her specifications here are some. Stock appearing car with, moon hub caps (Alpine) and trim rings on painted white steel wheels and white wall tires. Luggage rack, wood dash with a glove box, stock wood steering wheel and wood shifter knob to match. Very small cam in a 30 over 260engine with stock two barrel carb, ceramic coated headers, 2" stainless steel exhaust. Reinforced X member plus in the areas of traction bar and spring locations and front engine mounts. (Note to readers I build road race cars in my spare time). 3.05 with posi unit and Koni shocks with stock springs. I set the car up to take a 347 on fuel injection if she wants it later. From end to end the only items that are not new or 100 % restored or rebuilt are the two u joints on the drive shaft. For the people interested in the dollar amount. I did all my own work right down to taking apart and rebuilding all of the gages. I paid for body work and paint after I had media blasted and did all the proper frame, cross member modifications for more horse power later if she wants. I also paid a racing friend to rework the transmission and rear end with all new parts that I supplied. I purchased the Tiger, one donor car, and a shit load of Items on e-bay and from Sunbeam specialties, Victoria British and from over seas suppliers in England. Chrome some engine compartment items. Total cost for parts and materials and subcontracting out some of the work came to $32,867.98 Canadian. I purchasing the Tiger on Aug 20th 2007 accumulated the parts required up to October 15 2008 and worked on it in my spare time as a second job till Dec 25 2009. It runs great and strait as an arrow. I still have to put the soft top on and send the car back to the body shop for touch ups and detailing. Thanks for all the help on this forum and Peter Mc Donald (Owner of two Tigers just up the road from my shop) for allowing me to measure and photo his 1965 car. Next car appraisal and B.C. collector plates. Thanks all >From Kim Fabbro and the new and happy owner and full time driver Pearl Fabbro Stock appearing 1965 Sunbeam Tiger 260, VIN # B9470043 You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 27 08:35:03 2009 From: David Sosna To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 07:12:56 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ANOTHER TIGER HAS BEEN SAVED!!!!!! Nifty! Pictures! Are there pictures?! Want pictures!!! :-) Best regards David Sosna Fabbro wrote: > Hello all > On Christmas day I drove my wife's totally restored 1965 Sunbeam > (Serial # B9470043) tiger home in to the garage and put a red bow on the > pearl white hood for her Christmas present. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 27 21:54:17 2009 From: Greg To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:38:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Alpine & or Tiger Calendar for 2010??? Hello, has anyone posted the Sunbeam Alpine & Tiger Calendar for this year, 2010, in the pdf format? Can we download it from the web and enjoy it like last years?? Thanks for posting this question to the other Sunbeamers for me. Have a Happy New Year! Greg. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 28 16:28:09 2009 From: Chris Richards To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:44:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Need Parts! I'm looking to beg, borrow, or steal some heater control brackets for a Tiger or GT wood dashed Alpine. This is the part that mounts to the rear of the wooden dash. I could fabricate some (having a set in hand would help)...I would like to puchase if possible. Chris _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 29 14:29:17 2009 From: "Alan Zeni" To: "tiger" Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:49:05 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Oil line routing I'm looking for pics/diagram of the stock remote filter routing. I seem to have the angle wrong on the block adapter and want to double check the line routings. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 29 17:15:50 2009 From: BEAU2EVE@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:22:23 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 505 Chris, I have a set of controls you can have but there's a problem. They are in Rhode Island and I'm in florida for the winter. If you can't come up with anything else get back to me in May, sorry that's the best I can do. Beau B9470951 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 29 18:18:06 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Alan Zeni'" , "'tiger'" Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:44:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil line routing Alan About the only diagram of the stock oil filter is Plate D Section AF in the parts list. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/2-AF-EngineMoto r.pdf Hope that helps Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alan Zeni Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 3:49 PM To: tiger Subject: [Tigers] Oil line routing I'm looking for pics/diagram of the stock remote filter routing. I seem to have the angle wrong on the block adapter and want to double check the line routings. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2592 - Release Date: 12/29/09 07:47:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 29 18:48:28 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, BEAU2EVE@aol.com Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:14:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 505 Chris- I too have a set on a parts car out in the country. I have no idea when I might get there to remove the dash to get to them. IF you find a set as there should be plenty about, POST it to the list, so I dont remove them and you have a set already. I will say the weatherman is calling for colder wether and some snow and Im not much on the cold- barley walk on carpet but I will keep you in mind- I would imangine someone already has fixed you up- so let us know if so.Cheers, TonytheTiger --- On Tue, 12/29/09, BEAU2EVE@aol.com wrote: From: BEAU2EVE@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 505 To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 5:22 PM Chris, I have a set of controls you can have but there's a problem. They are in Rhode Island and I'm in florida for the winter. If you can't come up with anything else get back to me in May, sorry that's the best I can do. Beau B9470951 You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 29 19:20:00 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:25:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil line routing Ron- the link doesnt worrk- try again please- Im curious BUT if you have stock hoses, they pretty much only fit the way they are suppose to BUT many remade hoses about Im sure- mine are to long to use the filter bracket- wrong headers to use the shorty filter which I rather have. A busted line stops U dead. I tried plugging the hole one time- that resulted in zero psi. If anyone knows a way to run with no hoses/filter, I would like to know for road side break downs. TtT --- On Tue, 12/29/09, Ron Fraser wrote: From: Ron Fraser Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil line routing To: "'Alan Zeni'" , "'tiger'" Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 6:44 PM Alan About the only diagram of the stock oil filter is Plate D Section AF in the parts list. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/2-AF-EngineMoto r.pdf Hope that helps Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alan Zeni Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 3:49 PM To: tiger Subject: [Tigers] Oil line routing I'm looking for pics/diagram of the stock remote filter routing. I seem to have the angle wrong on the block adapter and want to double check the line routings. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2592 - Release Date: 12/29/09 07:47:00 You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 29 22:08:24 2009 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: "'Tony Somebody'" , Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:10:33 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil line routing Tony, et al, After the steering u-joint rubbed a hole in one of my oil hoses, I got a straight piece and a u-shaped piece of steel tubing that would fit inside the rubber oil hoses and four alligator clamps for double clamping. I figured I could either cut and splice together a leaking hose with the straight piece or cut both hoses and bypass the filter completely with the u-shaped piece. Fortunately, I never got the chance to test my "repair kit". I also got into the habit of looking at the hoses every time I was under the hood. I will say that I was wide awake when I got to work that morning after tooling along at 70+ and seeing a huge cloud of smoke erupt from the front of the car while the oil pressure went to zero. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:26 PM > To: rfraser@bluefrog.com > Cc: Beamclub > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil line routing > > Ron- the link doesnt worrk- try again please- Im curious BUT > if you have stock hoses, they pretty much only fit the way > they are suppose to BUT many remade hoses about Im sure- mine > are to long to use the filter bracket- wrong headers to use > the shorty filter which I rather have. A busted line stops U > dead. I tried plugging the hole one time- that resulted in > zero psi. If anyone knows a way to run with no hoses/filter, > I would like to know for road side break downs. > TtT > > --- On Tue, 12/29/09, Ron Fraser wrote: > > > From: Ron Fraser > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil line routing > To: "'Alan Zeni'" , "'tiger'" > > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 6:44 PM > > > Alan > About the only diagram of the stock oil filter is Plate D > Section AF in the parts list. > > http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/2 > -AF-EngineMoto > r.pdf > > Hope that helps > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Alan Zeni > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 3:49 PM > To: tiger > Subject: [Tigers] Oil line routing > > > I'm looking for pics/diagram of the stock remote filter > routing. I seem to have the angle wrong on the block adapter > and want to double check the line routings. Any help would > be appreciated. > > Thanks > You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2592 - Release > Date: 12/29/09 07:47:00 You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as v8tracker@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 30 06:19:35 2009 From: Owain Lloyd To: "A. C. Tynes" Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:59:44 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil line routing if you use braided stainless hose, the steering would never damage it even if it was in constant contact. of course its not to everyone's taste - especially in a stock car. On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 4:10 AM, A. C. Tynes wrote: > Tony, et al, > > After the steering u-joint rubbed a hole in one of my oil hoses, I got a > straight piece and a u-shaped piece of steel tubing that would fit inside > the rubber oil hoses and four alligator clamps for double clamping. I > figured I could either cut and splice together a leaking hose with the > straight piece or cut both hoses and bypass the filter completely with the > u-shaped piece. > > Fortunately, I never got the chance to test my "repair kit". I also got > into > the habit of looking at the hoses every time I was under the hood. > > I will say that I was wide awake when I got to work that morning after > tooling along at 70+ and seeing a huge cloud of smoke erupt from the front > of the car while the oil pressure went to zero. > > HTH, > A. C. Tynes > New Orleans > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody > > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:26 PM > > To: rfraser@bluefrog.com > > Cc: Beamclub > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil line routing > > > > Ron- the link doesnt worrk- try again please- Im curious BUT > > if you have stock hoses, they pretty much only fit the way > > they are suppose to BUT many remade hoses about Im sure- mine > > are to long to use the filter bracket- wrong headers to use > > the shorty filter which I rather have. A busted line stops U > > dead. I tried plugging the hole one time- that resulted in > > zero psi. If anyone knows a way to run with no hoses/filter, > > I would like to know for road side break downs. > > TtT > > > > --- On Tue, 12/29/09, Ron Fraser wrote: > > > > > > From: Ron Fraser > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil line routing > > To: "'Alan Zeni'" , "'tiger'" > > > > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 6:44 PM > > > > > > Alan > > About the only diagram of the stock oil filter is Plate D > > Section AF in the parts list. > > > > http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/2 > > -AF-EngineMoto > > r.pdf > > > > Hope that helps > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > > On Behalf Of Alan Zeni > > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 3:49 PM > > To: tiger > > Subject: [Tigers] Oil line routing > > > > > > I'm looking for pics/diagram of the stock remote filter > > routing. I seem to have the angle wrong on the block adapter > > and want to double check the line routings. Any help would > > be appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2592 - Release > > Date: 12/29/09 07:47:00 You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as v8tracker@gmail.com > > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 30 11:40:30 2009 From: rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:50:28 EST Subject: [Tigers] year of the Tiger Hello, I think the Chinese, in February, are going to be celebrating the beginning of the Year of the Tiger ! Perhaps someone with more insight into Chinese culture than myself can confirm this. In any case, Happy New Year to all ! Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 30 14:12:52 2009 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net, rollright@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:27:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] year of the Tiger Horoscope for the 2010 year of the white metal TigerComing 2010 year of the metal Tiger is the third earth branch year and is the seventh heavenly stems year.2010 Keng Yin year is the twenty-seven cycle in the sixty-year cycle of the Chinese astrology's heavenly stems and earth branches cycle. The Keng Yin 2010 year symbolizes toughness, generosity and wealth earned with hard work. 2010 year is a dutiful, family oriented and dependable year. 2010 year of the metal Tiger, may show his love in terms of how hard he can work for the loved ones. Now in 2010 year of the Tiger you may not express your feelings in words but make up it by deeds. Hello, I think the Chinese, in February, are going to be celebrating the beginning of the Year of the Tiger ! Perhaps someone with more insight into Chinese culture than myself can confirm this. In any case, Happy New Year to all ! Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 30 14:56:42 2009 From: Bob Josten To: rollright@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:32:53 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] year of the Tiger Jim, I asked my wife and she said that starting Feb. 14th 2010 is the year of the tiger and specifically the white tiger. If you were born in 1938, 1950, 1962, 1974, 1986 or 1998 you are considered a tiger. 'Tigers' are are said to be short tempered and suspicious people although I'm not sure why since I'm a 'dog' so I'm honest and faithful. Bob J. > Hello, > > I think the Chinese, in February, are going to be celebrating the beginning > of the Year of the Tiger ! > > Perhaps someone with more insight into Chinese culture than myself can > confirm this. > > In any case, Happy New Year to all ! > > > Jim Armstrong _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 30 17:59:46 2009 From: Hav357@aol.com To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, tiger@missiongranite.com, Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:49:53 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil line routing To all, My name is Joe Havranek and I reside in Rosendale, NY. I just purchased a 1965 MK1 Tiger B9472587 LRXFE 3824 S27KA JAL562136. I bought it from Gulwing motors in LI,NY.. It is rusty and rough and needs major restoration. I will be doing the resto myself. I have owned Alpines for the past 25 years and been a sunbeam enthusiast since. I'm looking for 260 engine parts. It appears someone has robbed the typical sunbeam parts from the engine. I'm looking for a cooling fan and pulley, remote oil filter, oil lines and block adapter, distributor, generator and mgt. bracket, starter motor, radiator remote tank and air cleaner assy. Can anyone help. Thanks, Joe _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 30 19:25:40 2009 From: "Ronak, TP (Timothy)" To: "Tiger News Group List" Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 01:59:57 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Radio and MGB Steering kit on Ebay Listers, Over the last few years I have had a great relationship with the listers on this list. As I have sold my Tiger I am now getting rid of some of my collected items and want to give a heads up to this group first. If you want something and I have not posted it we can work it out otherwise it will go through Ebay. 1) I have a beautiful reproduction LAT 72 Radio Kit I will be listing (It was very expensive and from New Zealand) 2) 1 Basic radio kit with Motorola radio missing button and non-operational but the mounting is all there. 3) A set of NOS Sparto Twin Jet Backup Lights with stainless reproduction bases 4) A Dales restoration MGB steering angle correction kit with the correct MGB rack with ALL of the components 5) NOS Set of blind screw taillight lowers 6) 6 Blade Fan as installed by the Chrysler Dealer in Canada 7) 1 spare leather seat cover left over from when I produced all of the seat covers from Singapore (1 seat complete only and one spare seat back) I will be posting all of this stuff on Ebay over the next couple of Days and if any of you want something ... give me a call. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc. 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 PH: 949-305-5393 Cell: 949-289-3357 FX: 425-955-6268 Email: timothy.ronak@crna.akzonobel.com Personal Email: timronak@cox.net If you received this message in error please inform the sender and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 30 23:26:16 2009 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , , Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:52:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil line routing Joe Good luck with your restoration. Tim Ronak just placed a 6 blade fan on the list, you should have received that; go for it if still available. Many of use have gone to a right angle oil filter adaptor because the original parts are hard to find. You can find Ford part number in this Rootes parts list, they will give you a starting point for engine parts: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/FactParts.asp Tigers United web site also has a great deal of information. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Hav357@aol.com [mailto:Hav357@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 6:50 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; tiger@missiongranite.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil line routing To all, My name is Joe Havranek and I reside in Rosendale, NY. I just purchased a 1965 MK1 Tiger B9472587 LRXFE 3824 S27KA JAL562136. I bought it from Gulwing motors in LI,NY.. It is rusty and rough and needs major restoration. I will be doing the resto myself. I have owned Alpines for the past 25 years and been a sunbeam enthusiast since. I'm looking for 260 engine parts. It appears someone has robbed the typical sunbeam parts from the engine. I'm looking for a cooling fan and pulley, remote oil filter, oil lines and block adapter, distributor, generator and mgt. bracket, starter motor, radiator remote tank and air cleaner assy. Can anyone help. Thanks, Joe No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2592 - Release Date: 12/30/09 07:27:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 30 23:30:48 2009 From: "Mike Michels" To: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:28:18 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Magnaflow XL Turbo vs Dynomax Super Turbo Hello listers. I'm considering two choices to replace my current Magnaflow straight through mufflers, which were fine with the 260, but very harsh now that I have a heavily modified 289 producing much more percussion and twice the horsepower The Current Magnaflows I have installed are basically oval glass packs. I'm looking at either Dynomax Turbo (which I have heard on other Tigers) or Magnaflow XL (which I have not had a chance to hear). Both are more conventional chambered mufflers with perforated pipes, the Dyomax is also glass packed while the Magnaflow XL has no packing. I suspect the Magnaflow XL would be a bit louder and more hollow sounding that the Dynomax Turbo, but both would be a bit quieter than my straight through mufflers. BTW, I once had Flowmaster 40s, but the novelty wore off after my first long trip. Anybody have any experience with the Magnaflow XL product? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 30 23:32:00 2009 From: "Mike Michels" To: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:37:49 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] test _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 30 23:33:09 2009 From: "Mike Michels" To: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:41:36 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Dynomax Turbo vs Magnaflow XL Turbo listers. I'm considering two choices to replace my current Magnaflow straight through mufflers, which were fine with the 260, but very harsh now that I have a heavily modified 289 producing much more percussion and twice the horsepower The Current Magnaflows I have installed are basically oval glass packs. I'm looking at either Dynomax Turbo (which I have heard on other Tigers) or Magnaflow XL (which I have not had a chance to hear). Both are more conventional chambered mufflers with perforated pipes, the Dyomax is also glass packed while the Magnaflow XL has no packing. I suspect the Magnaflow XL would be a bit louder and more hollow sounding that the Dynomax Turbo, but both would be a bit quieter than my straight through mufflers. BTW, I once had Flowmaster 40s, but the novelty wore off after my first long trip. Anybody have any experience with the Magnaflow XL product? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 31 02:04:04 2009 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:55:33 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dynomax Turbo vs Magnaflow XL Turbo >>>BTW, I once had Flowmaster 40s, but the novelty wore off after my first >>>long trip.<<< I hear ya (or better said, can't hear ya) on that. Even the 50 series on my 318 Valiant has an unbearable drone from 2,000 RPM to its immediate cut off point at 2,600 RPM. I have the Dynomax on my Turbo Pinto. I'm relatively happy with it. Memorable quote from the movie Airplane: Cockpit qualified young man: Mr. Patroni? Don't you hear him? Shut down. Joe Patroni: I can't hear a thing. THERE'S TOO MUCH NOISE. Hold on. We're go-in for broke! Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 31 11:07:20 2009 From: To: Bob Josten , rollright@aol.com Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:42:56 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] year of the Tiger One of the reasons I'm a Tiger owner now rather than some other car. When mulling over the purchase I sat in a Chinese restaurant and read the placemat discovering being born in 1950 made me a Tiger. Steve ---- Bob Josten wrote: > Jim, I asked my wife and she said that starting Feb. 14th 2010 is the > year of the tiger and specifically the white tiger. > If you were born in 1938, 1950, 1962, 1974, 1986 or 1998 you are > considered a tiger. > 'Tigers' are are said to be short tempered and suspicious people > although I'm not sure why since I'm a 'dog' so I'm honest and > faithful. > > Bob J. > > > > Hello, > > > > I think the Chinese, in February, are going to be celebrating the beginning > > of the Year of the Tiger ! > > > > Perhaps someone with more insight into Chinese culture than myself can > > confirm this. > > > > In any case, Happy New Year to all ! > > > > > > Jim Armstrong > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten@ca.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 31 14:16:26 2009 From: Sabr2th To: Tigers Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:50:02 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Year of the Tiger - Tangent Steve9s post sent me off on a tangent. I began to wonder what kind of car he would own if he had been born a different year. I got stuck on the Year of the Monkey, but here9s the rest of the list: Tiger - Sunbeam Tiger Dog - Any GM product Dragon - Kaiser Dragon Horse - Ford Mustang Monkey - ? Pig - Harley Ox - Think Ox - electric car Rabbit - VW Rabbit (Terlingua Shelby) Rat - Any big block Cheby Rooster - Ford Thunderbird or Pontiac Firechicken Sheep - Dodge Ram Snake - Shelby Cobra or Dodge Viper On 12/31/09 10:42 AM, "sralsten@ca.rr.com" wrote: > One of the reasons I'm a Tiger owner now rather than some other car. When > mulling over the purchase > I sat in a Chinese restaurant and read the placemat discovering being born in > 1950 > made me a Tiger. > > Steve > > > ---- Bob Josten wrote: >> Jim, I asked my wife and she said that starting Feb. 14th 2010 is the >> year of the tiger and specifically the white tiger. >> If you were born in 1938, 1950, 1962, 1974, 1986 or 1998 you are >> considered a tiger. >> 'Tigers' are are said to be short tempered and suspicious people >> although I'm not sure why since I'm a 'dog' so I'm honest and >> faithful. >> >> Bob J. >> >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I think the Chinese, in February, are going to be celebrating the beginning >>> of the Year of the Tiger ! >>> >>> Perhaps someone with more insight into Chinese culture than myself can >>> confirm this. >>> >>> In any case, Happy New Year to all ! >>> >>> >>> Jim Armstrong >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as sralsten@ca.rr.com >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mark@waters-edge.org > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 31 15:35:20 2009 From: "Jim" To: "'Sabr2th'" , "'Tigers'" Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:28:26 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Year of the Tiger - Tangent Year of the Monkey would have to be the Monkeymobile ... which was based on a '66 GTO convertible .There were 2 originals... and 2 replica/tribute cars... all of which still exist ! Interesting story about it here: Cut and past the link if it doesn't work ! http://www.monkees.net/DOCS/MMOBILE.HTM Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sabr2th Sent: December 31, 2009 11:50 AM To: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Year of the Tiger - Tangent Steve9s post sent me off on a tangent. I began to wonder what kind of car he would own if he had been born a different year. I got stuck on the Year of the Monkey, but here9s the rest of the list: Tiger - Sunbeam Tiger Dog - Any GM product Dragon - Kaiser Dragon Horse - Ford Mustang Monkey - ? Pig - Harley Ox - Think Ox - electric car Rabbit - VW Rabbit (Terlingua Shelby) Rat - Any big block Cheby Rooster - Ford Thunderbird or Pontiac Firechicken Sheep - Dodge Ram Snake - Shelby Cobra or Dodge Viper On 12/31/09 10:42 AM, "sralsten@ca.rr.com" wrote: > One of the reasons I'm a Tiger owner now rather than some other car. When > mulling over the purchase > I sat in a Chinese restaurant and read the placemat discovering being born in > 1950 > made me a Tiger. > > Steve > > > ---- Bob Josten wrote: >> Jim, I asked my wife and she said that starting Feb. 14th 2010 is the >> year of the tiger and specifically the white tiger. >> If you were born in 1938, 1950, 1962, 1974, 1986 or 1998 you are >> considered a tiger. >> 'Tigers' are are said to be short tempered and suspicious people >> although I'm not sure why since I'm a 'dog' so I'm honest and >> faithful. >> >> Bob J. >> >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I think the Chinese, in February, are going to be celebrating the beginning >>> of the Year of the Tiger ! >>> >>> Perhaps someone with more insight into Chinese culture than myself can >>> confirm this. >>> >>> In any case, Happy New Year to all ! >>> >>> >>> Jim Armstrong >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as sralsten@ca.rr.com >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mark@waters-edge.org > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as jim@island.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 31 17:17:37 2009 From: "Bill Waite" To: "Mike Michels" , Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:26:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dynomax Turbo vs Magnaflow XL Turbo I'm not sure about Flowmaster 40's... but the Flowmasters I have (not sure of the exact model) on our Mark II are perfect. Fairly quiet while cruising... but when you hit the go pedal, the sound they make is GREAT, I think of it as the Purrfect "Tiger Growl." Bill Waite Grand Rapids ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Michels" To: Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 12:41 AM Subject: [Tigers] Dynomax Turbo vs Magnaflow XL Turbo > listers. > > I'm considering two choices to replace my current Magnaflow straight > through > mufflers, which were fine with the 260, but very harsh now that I have a > heavily modified 289 producing much more percussion and twice the > horsepower > The Current Magnaflows I have installed are basically oval glass packs. > > I'm looking at either Dynomax Turbo (which I have heard on other Tigers) > or > Magnaflow XL (which I have not had a chance to hear). Both are more > conventional chambered mufflers with perforated pipes, the Dyomax is also > glass packed while the Magnaflow XL has no packing. I suspect the > Magnaflow XL > would be a bit louder and more hollow sounding that the Dynomax Turbo, but > both would be a bit quieter than my straight through mufflers. BTW, I > once > had Flowmaster 40s, but the novelty wore off after my first long trip. > > Anybody have any experience with the Magnaflow XL product? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as fordlandia@sbcglobal.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 31 17:18:41 2009 From: Steve Laifman To: Bob Josten Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:33:57 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] year of the Tiger Bob, Thanks to you and your wife for the info. Seems to be the lucky 12 year cycle. You might add the years 1902, 1914, and 1926 for the century's prior years. My mother is 101 years old. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Bob Josten wrote: > Jim, I asked my wife and she said that starting Feb. 14th 2010 is the > year of the tiger and specifically the white tiger. > If you were born in 1938, 1950, 1962, 1974, 1986 or 1998 you are > considered a tiger. > 'Tigers' are are said to be short tempered and suspicious people > although I'm not sure why since I'm a 'dog' so I'm honest and > faithful. > > Bob J. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 31 17:20:07 2009 From: David and Varley Tweddle To: Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 07:44:10 +0800 Subject: [Tigers] Happy New Year to all the Tigers! Hi Sunbeamers, Well seeing as I was born in 1950 too then happy New Year to all the Tigers....Owners and Cars!! Cheers David T Perth, West Australia B9472884 ps....Trivia about birthdays....Did you know that old Bill Shakespeare died on his Birthday!! _________________________________________________________________ Looking for a great date? Meet singles at ninemsn dating http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 31 18:03:26 2009 From: Cullen McCann To: Sabr2th Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:17:06 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Year of the Tiger - Tangent For dog it could be "greyhound" bus, or Porsche boxer? I know it's a stretch, and monkey could be a "spider" (spider monkey?) like an Alpha or something right? Lol, I had to try... Sent from my mobile... On Dec 31, 2009, at 3:15 PM, "Sabr2th" wrote: > Steve9s post sent me off on a tangent. I began to wonder what kind > of car > he would own if he had been born a different year. I got stuck on > the Year > of the Monkey, but here9s the rest of the list: > > Tiger - Sunbeam Tiger > Dog - Any GM product > Dragon - Kaiser Dragon > Horse - Ford Mustang > Monkey - ? > Pig - Harley > Ox - Think Ox - electric car > Rabbit - VW Rabbit (Terlingua Shelby) > Rat - Any big block Cheby > Rooster - Ford Thunderbird or Pontiac > Firechicken > Sheep - Dodge Ram > Snake - Shelby Cobra or Dodge Viper _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 31 18:33:34 2009 From: "spook01" To: "Sabr2th" , "Tigers" Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:47:47 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Year of the Tiger - Tangent the monkey would be a prius. Best, Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sabr2th" To: "Tigers" Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Year of the Tiger - Tangent > Steve9s post sent me off on a tangent. I began to wonder what kind of car > he would own if he had been born a different year. I got stuck on the > Year > of the Monkey, but here9s the rest of the list: > > Tiger - Sunbeam Tiger > Dog - Any GM product > Dragon - Kaiser Dragon > Horse - Ford Mustang > Monkey - ? > Pig - Harley > Ox - Think Ox - electric car > Rabbit - VW Rabbit (Terlingua Shelby) > Rat - Any big block Cheby > Rooster - Ford Thunderbird or Pontiac Firechicken > Sheep - Dodge Ram > Snake - Shelby Cobra or Dodge Viper > > > On 12/31/09 10:42 AM, "sralsten@ca.rr.com" wrote: > >> One of the reasons I'm a Tiger owner now rather than some other car. When >> mulling over the purchase >> I sat in a Chinese restaurant and read the placemat discovering being >> born > in >> 1950 >> made me a Tiger. >> >> Steve >> >> >> ---- Bob Josten wrote: >>> Jim, I asked my wife and she said that starting Feb. 14th 2010 is the >>> year of the tiger and specifically the white tiger. >>> If you were born in 1938, 1950, 1962, 1974, 1986 or 1998 you are >>> considered a tiger. >>> 'Tigers' are are said to be short tempered and suspicious people >>> although I'm not sure why since I'm a 'dog' so I'm honest and >>> faithful. >>> >>> Bob J. >>> >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I think the Chinese, in February, are going to be celebrating the > beginning >>>> of the Year of the Tiger ! >>>> >>>> Perhaps someone with more insight into Chinese culture than myself can >>>> confirm this. >>>> >>>> In any case, Happy New Year to all ! >>>> >>>> >>>> Jim Armstrong >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> You are subscribed as sralsten@ca.rr.com >>> >>> Tigers@autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >>> >>> http://www.team.net/archive >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as mark@waters-edge.org >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as spook01@comcast.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 31 19:46:30 2009 From: "awtiger" To: "David and Varley Tweddle" , Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:50:18 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Happy New Year to all the Tigers! Dang...you guys are old!!!!! ;-) >From Oklahoma (where the pot calls the kettle black), Andy Walker B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740) B9006857LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: "David and Varley Tweddle" To: Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 5:44 PM Subject: [Tigers] Happy New Year to all the Tigers! > Hi Sunbeamers, > > Well seeing as I was born in 1950 too then happy New Year to all the > Tigers....Owners and Cars!! > > Cheers > David T > Perth, West Australia > B9472884 > > ps....Trivia about birthdays....Did you know that old Bill Shakespeare > died on > his Birthday!! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Looking for a great date? 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