From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 1 13:02:38 2010 From: "Kirk Smith" To: Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:52:50 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Kool-Aid Tiger Anybody seen this car running? http://www.krysdeansoftware.com/kool_aid.htm _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 1 13:53:11 2010 From: "Baker, Kent" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:53:20 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping I am in the process of caustic dipping and acid dipping my 66 MK1A. The shop needs to know if the ID plate and/or rivots holding it to the car are aluminum or other soft metal. We are concerned the rivots will be eaten by the acid and drop the ID plate into the bottom of the bath (gone forever) or the plate and rivots will both be devoured. I am sure someone has addressed this issue before - suggestions? Kent Baker _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 1 16:06:19 2010 From: "Peter Laurinaitis" To: "Baker, Kent" , Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:39:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping i recall tiger auto's doug jennings removed my id tags before dipping, if i recall correctly, he said they would be "eaten", i trust doug knows best after 40 yrs of doing this ----- Original Message ----- From: "Baker, Kent" To: Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:53 PM Subject: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping >I am in the process of caustic dipping and acid dipping my 66 MK1A. The >shop > needs to know if the ID plate and/or rivots holding it to the car are > aluminum > or other soft metal. We are concerned the rivots will be eaten by the > acid > and drop the ID plate into the bottom of the bath (gone forever) or the > plate > and rivots will both be devoured. I am sure someone has addressed this > issue > before - suggestions? > > Kent Baker > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 1 16:56:56 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, KentBaker Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:43:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping Im told it eats both ALL GONE. Thats why many TACed Tigers have non original rivets. Ive heard some people have orignal replacements but I have no idea if thats true. If the car is orginally a Tiger the TAC team will approve it as an orginal REAL Tiger with non orginal rivets on the paper that comes with the sticker- I dont know what the TAC sticker says, I didnt look at it but I have to remove the dash before spring, so I will see what a TAC sticker looks like up close and pesonal. Happy New Year to ALL of my sick, as in addicted to Sunbeams, friends. May 2010 be the bestus of all the restus. TonytheTiger wrote: I am in the process of caustic dipping and acid dipping my 66 MK1A. The shop needs to know if the ID plate and/or rivots holding it to the car are aluminum or other soft metal. We are concerned the rivots will be eaten by the acid and drop the ID plate into the bottom of the bath (gone forever) or the plate and rivots will both be devoured. I am sure someone has addressed this issue before - suggestions? Kent Baker You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 1 16:57:41 2010 From: David T Johnson To: tigers@autox.team.net, Kirk Smith Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:05:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Kool-Aid Tiger Why can't Team Tiger (Tom Patton) get sponsership like that? His is a GT2 Tiger that is really racing. A grass roots operation, I know he would welcome sponsers with deep pockets. Dave --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Kirk Smith wrote: From: Kirk Smith Subject: [Tigers] Kool-Aid Tiger To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 6:52 PM Anybody seen this car running? http://www.krysdeansoftware.com/kool_aid.htm You are subscribed as djoh797014@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 2 10:59:11 2010 From: Cullen McCann To: Tony Somebody , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 11:11:10 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping I agree with Tony, I considered the same issue when i started stripping my tiger, and i was told by the stripping company that it definately would eat the vin plate, rust, plastic, rubber...and everything else. There are no good chemical dippers in oklahoma, and i would have had to go to the dallas texas area to find one. The chemicals are so hazardous and so caustic, the epa has all but outlawed them in my state, from what i was told. I was so concerned about the level of aggression from the dipping process that i chose to media blast, and glad i did, it turned out fine. but, nevertheless, chemical dipping might be the right choice for some. But rest assured it will eat everthing on the car that is not steel, period, and some say it will even WEAKEN the steel by eating a little bit of that off the top as they say. on a side note, a few mopars and gm's were "acid dipped" in the 60's from the factory or as COPO's etc, to lighten the body for factory racing. it actually made the walls of the sheet metal body thinner. im sure the process is completely different, but nevertheless, the nature of chemical dipping can be quite aggressive and shouldnt be taken lightly. My 2 cents. i asked them if they could "block off" the vin plate and somehow protect it, because i still have my original rivets and now understand that its a plus if you do...but they said they could not protect them. Rivets,Vin plate, inspection plate, bacteria and everything else...gone forever. cullen Im told it eats both ALL GONE. Thats why many TACed Tigers have non original rivets. Ive heard some people have orignal replacements but I have no idea if thats true. If the car is orginally a Tiger the TAC team will approve it as an orginal REAL Tiger with non orginal rivets on the paper that comes with the sticker- I dont know what the TAC sticker says, I didnt look at it but I have to remove the dash before spring, so I will see what a TAC sticker looks like up close and pesonal. Happy New Year to ALL of my sick, as in addicted to Sunbeams, friends. May 2010 be the bestus of all the restus TonytheTiger wrote: I am in the process of caustic dipping and acid dipping my 66 MK1A. The shop needs to know if the ID plate and/or rivots holding it to the car are aluminum or other soft metal. We are concerned the rivots will be eaten by the acid and drop the ID plate into the bottom of the bath (gone forever) or the plate and rivots will both be devoured. I am sure someone has addressed this issue before - suggestions? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 2 12:01:08 2010 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 10:21:55 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping Kent, My understanding is that most of the dip processes are caustic. And, yes, that would eat your rivets and plate. That said there has been a lot of talk regarding the original rivets on Tigers. I wouldn't place a dollar amount on it, but they are regarded as desirable. Will your car pass a TAC inspection without them? Yes, - if it is a real Tiger. Not that I'm a golfer, but if you shot a hole in one and no one was there to see it, it creates skepticism. In a similar way the lack of original rivets can create an initial doubt to many people. In the end, a real Tiger will still be a real Tiger, but original rivets at least help to abate the question mark. Most guys won't tell you this, ... but... . For good or bad typically when an unknown Tiger shows up a lot of other owners very stealthily observe the car for originality. They softly murmur to each other the Tiger specific parts that are there. Then they look at each other like, "yea, it probably is real," then go in search of someone qualified to confirm it. (OK, guys, don't hide in shame, a lot of us -myself included- do this.) It is sort of an unofficial "Pre-TAC" inspection. So, if you can in any way retain the original rivets and plate I would encourage you to do so. Perhaps there is some coating that can be applied to protect the area??? Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 2 15:19:26 2010 From: Tony McNulty To: Thomas Witt , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:21:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping I'm fixing to have my Tiger media blasted -- the guy who's ramrodding the resto (former owner of two Tigers) suggested that we keep the original paint (BRG) on that part of the car where the prized rivets and plates reside -- also, it keeps a nice flavor of originality -- plus, that paint never got much wear and tear and still looks pretty new. Tony McNulty Original Owner B382001321 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Witt" To: Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping > Kent, > My understanding is that most of the dip processes are caustic. And, > yes, that would eat your rivets and plate. That said there has been a lot > of talk regarding the original rivets on Tigers. I wouldn't place a dollar > amount on it, but they are regarded as desirable. Will your car pass a > TAC inspection without them? Yes, - if it is a real Tiger. > > Not that I'm a golfer, but if you shot a hole in one and no one was there > to see it, it creates skepticism. In a similar way the lack of original > rivets can create an initial doubt to many people. In the end, a real > Tiger will still be a real Tiger, but original rivets at least help to > abate the question mark. > > Most guys won't tell you this, ... but... . For good or bad typically > when an unknown Tiger shows up a lot of other owners very stealthily > observe the car for originality. They softly murmur to each other the > Tiger specific parts that are there. Then they look at each other like, > "yea, it probably is real," then go in search of someone qualified to > confirm it. (OK, guys, don't hide in shame, a lot of us -myself included- > do this.) It is sort of an unofficial "Pre-TAC" inspection. > > So, if you can in any way retain the original rivets and plate I would > encourage you to do so. Perhaps there is some coating that can be applied > to protect the area??? > > Tom _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bamcnulty@optonline.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 2 17:48:17 2010 From: David T Johnson To: Thomas Witt , tigers@autox.team.net, Tony Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:47:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping A the last couple of United's there was a vendor selling the original rivets ($2 each). I bought 2 to replace the screws the PO put in over 35 years ago. All I need is the correct riveter to get the proper dinmple. Why not query the English and see about finding rivets for you. Then you have the best of both worlds. Dave --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Tony McNulty wrote: From: Tony McNulty Subject: Re: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping To: "Thomas Witt" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 9:21 PM I'm fixing to have my Tiger media blasted -- the guy who's ramrodding the resto (former owner of two Tigers) suggested that we keep the original paint (BRG) on that part of the car where the prized rivets and plates reside -- also, it keeps a nice flavor of originality -- plus, that paint never got much wear and tear and still looks pretty new. Tony McNulty Original Owner B382001321 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Witt" To: Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping > Kent, > My understanding is that most of the dip processes are caustic. And, yes, that would eat your rivets and plate. That said there has been a lot of talk regarding the original rivets on Tigers. I wouldn't place a dollar amount on it, but they are regarded as desirable. Will your car pass a TAC inspection without them? Yes, - if it is a real Tiger. > > Not that I'm a golfer, but if you shot a hole in one and no one was there to see it, it creates skepticism. In a similar way the lack of original rivets can create an initial doubt to many people. In the end, a real Tiger will still be a real Tiger, but original rivets at least help to abate the question mark. > > Most guys won't tell you this, ... but... . For good or bad typically when an unknown Tiger shows up a lot of other owners very stealthily observe the car for originality. They softly murmur to each other the Tiger specific parts that are there. Then they look at each other like, "yea, it probably is real," then go in search of someone qualified to confirm it.. (OK, guys, don't hide in shame, a lot of us -myself included- do this.) It is sort of an unofficial "Pre-TAC" inspection. > > So, if you can in any way retain the original rivets and plate I would encourage you to do so. Perhaps there is some coating that can be applied to protect the area??? > > Tom _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bamcnulty@optonline.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as djoh797014@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 2 22:09:39 2010 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:54:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping I would agree with Cullen that it is better to use media blasting rather than dipping, so long as you don't have a lot of rust to contend with in the structure of the car. The tags are aluminum and probably will be devoured by any kind of dipping process. With media blasting, you can mask off the tag and protect it, therefore avoiding its removal. The JAL number tag is just held on with sheet metal screws, so that can be removed without any concern. In any case, it would be wise to photograph the car before and after to provide a detailed record of what was done and how for future reference. Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE In snowy Maine _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 3 00:18:37 2010 From: mwood24020@aol.com To: todbrown@roadrunner.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 00:58:43 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping Regardless as to my personal feelings concerning rivets, which have been Tiger listed to death many times, I went with media blasting. I couldn't find a chemical stripping facility that I was confident would really complete the process and the last thing I want to deal with is residual acidity leaching through an expensive paint job. Mike In a message dated 1/2/2010 9:42:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, todbrown@roadrunner.com writes: I would agree with Cullen that it is better to use media blasting rather than dipping, so long as you don't have a lot of rust to contend with in the structure of the car. The tags are aluminum and probably will be devoured by any kind of dipping process. With media blasting, you can mask off the tag and protect it, therefore avoiding its removal. The JAL number tag is just held on with sheet metal screws, so that can be removed without any concern. In any case, it would be wise to photograph the car before and after to provide a detailed record of what was done and how for future reference. Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE In snowy Maine You are subscribed as mwood24020@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 4 17:17:47 2010 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:38:00 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Pawn Stars I wonder if you ever watch the fun "Pawn Stars" (NOT Porn Stars) about a Pawn Shop in Las Vegas run be a man, his father, his son, and a dumb and dumber employee. People come in to sell or pawn the strangest things. Yesterday's Show included a Tow Truck operator that brings a car shell on his truck. If he tows the vehicle, and sends the know owner a written notice, and there is no reply after (I think) 1 week - it's his!!!! It appeared to be a Shelby body, all aluminum - not fiberglass - and frame/suspension. All look new and never built any further into a car. He accepted a $5,000 offer, after a Shelby repair shop found the "CSX- " stamped into the frame. (They hid all the other numbers but the "X".) They had him rebuild it to original specs, 427 CID and all. It even had the knock-off spindles they put the Shelby wheels on. Painted the Blue with white if was sure nice. They opted for high quality synthetic, rather than leather seats - and it had the "Shelby" Signature. Shelby may have acknowledge the authenticity, but I know he'll sign anything for a donation to his supported charity. I know, because I have a signed "T" shirt. I just stopped by the Woodley Park car show, but didn't have my Tiger with me. I suspect that this shell "fell of a truck" from the L.A. P.O.E. from it's birthplace at AC cars in England, where they build the chassis and body, and never got to the Shelby factory at the LAX airport property. Wow. A Brand new Cobra, complete with all Shelby or OEM sourced parts for about $30,000. They will sell it, and probably have lots of offers by now. But, if your in Vegas - take a look. Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 4 20:51:09 2010 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: Steve Laifman , Tigers Den Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:04:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pawn Stars I missed the very beginning of that part of the show but... The Guy who brought it to the "Pawn Stars" claims to have towed it away for free. The Cobra Expert/Restorer said it was a Shelby and worth $60K as is. The Pawn Stars and the Guy settled on $30K for the shell/suspension. The Stars then put $80K into it saving $20K by putting in vinyl seats and carburetion verses leather and fuel injection (yeah right). That's $110K and the car is supposedly worth $159K according to Mr. Cobra Restorer. Personally, I think the whole thing was a set up for publicity...I don't believe much in reality tv. The best best part was the Old Man burning up the track at 25-30 mph. Paul --------------- > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 15:38:00 -0800 > From: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Pawn Stars > > I wonder if you ever watch the fun "Pawn Stars" (NOT Porn Stars) about > a Pawn Shop in Las Vegas run be a man, his father, his son, and a dumb > and dumber employee. > > People come in to sell or pawn the strangest things. Yesterday's Show > included a Tow Truck operator that brings a car shell on his truck. If > he tows the vehicle, and sends the know owner a written notice, and > there is no reply after (I think) 1 week - it's his!!!! > > It appeared to be a Shelby body, all aluminum - not fiberglass - and > frame/suspension. All look new and never built any further into a car. > He accepted a $5,000 offer, after a Shelby repair shop found the "CSX- > " stamped into the frame. (They hid all the other numbers but the "X".) > > They had him rebuild it to original specs, 427 CID and all. It even had > the knock-off spindles they put the Shelby wheels on. Painted the Blue > with white if was sure nice. They opted for high quality synthetic, > rather than leather seats - and it had the "Shelby" Signature. > > Shelby may have acknowledge the authenticity, but I know he'll sign > anything for a donation to his supported charity. I know, because I > have a signed "T" shirt. I just stopped by the Woodley Park car show, > but didn't have my Tiger with me. > > I suspect that this shell "fell of a truck" from the L.A. P.O.E. from > it's birthplace at AC cars in England, where they build the chassis and > body, and never got to the Shelby factory at the LAX airport property. > > Wow. A Brand new Cobra, complete with all Shelby or OEM sourced parts > for about $30,000. They will sell it, and probably have lots of offers > by now. But, if your in Vegas - take a look. > > Steve _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 4 22:20:29 2010 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "Paul R. Breuhan" , Steve Laifman Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:20:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pawn Stars I agree about the show being bogus. I have only seen the commercials and that is enough for me. They probably bought the shell from Shelby American (in Las Vegas) and created the entire situation. Judging only by the commercials, I do not believe the facts get in the way on this show. And, in this case, who gets the free publicity? Shelby American. Hype, hype, hype. I hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas and Happy New Year! -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul R. Breuhan Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 7:04 PM To: Steve Laifman; Tigers Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pawn Stars I missed the very beginning of that part of the show but... The Guy who brought it to the "Pawn Stars" claims to have towed it away for free. The Cobra Expert/Restorer said it was a Shelby and worth $60K as is. The Pawn Stars and the Guy settled on $30K for the shell/suspension. The Stars then put $80K into it saving $20K by putting in vinyl seats and carburetion verses leather and fuel injection (yeah right). That's $110K and the car is supposedly worth $159K according to Mr. Cobra Restorer. Personally, I think the whole thing was a set up for publicity...I don't believe much in reality tv. The best best part was the Old Man burning up the track at 25-30 mph. Paul --------------- > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 15:38:00 -0800 > From: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Pawn Stars > > I wonder if you ever watch the fun "Pawn Stars" (NOT Porn Stars) about > a Pawn Shop in Las Vegas run be a man, his father, his son, and a dumb > and dumber employee. > > People come in to sell or pawn the strangest things. Yesterday's Show > included a Tow Truck operator that brings a car shell on his truck. If > he tows the vehicle, and sends the know owner a written notice, and > there is no reply after (I think) 1 week - it's his!!!! > > It appeared to be a Shelby body, all aluminum - not fiberglass - and > frame/suspension. All look new and never built any further into a car. > He accepted a $5,000 offer, after a Shelby repair shop found the "CSX- > " stamped into the frame. (They hid all the other numbers but the "X".) > > They had him rebuild it to original specs, 427 CID and all. It even had > the knock-off spindles they put the Shelby wheels on. Painted the Blue > with white if was sure nice. They opted for high quality synthetic, > rather than leather seats - and it had the "Shelby" Signature. > > Shelby may have acknowledge the authenticity, but I know he'll sign > anything for a donation to his supported charity. I know, because I > have a signed "T" shirt. I just stopped by the Woodley Park car show, > but didn't have my Tiger with me. > > I suspect that this shell "fell of a truck" from the L.A. P.O.E. from > it's birthplace at AC cars in England, where they build the chassis and > body, and never got to the Shelby factory at the LAX airport property. > > Wow. A Brand new Cobra, complete with all Shelby or OEM sourced parts > for about $30,000. They will sell it, and probably have lots of offers > by now. But, if your in Vegas - take a look. > > Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 5 10:19:21 2010 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 08:33:47 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pawn Stars >>>I agree about the show being bogus.<<< >>>Personally, I think the whole thing was a set up for publicity...I don't believe much in reality TV.<<< Yes, then the eventual buyer fails to make the payments and... that car then shows up hanging from a tow hook on the equally distorted reality show "Operation Repo." Then 10 years later it sits neglected in a yard and winds up on "Over Haul-In." 20 years later with a reality TV history the car shows up on a retrospective segment of "Hot Rod TV." Sadly the cars ultimate end is prophesized into the future on the show "Life After People." The thing that gets me about items on Pawn Stars is how quickly the seller agrees to about half the items value. I mean are they too lazy , too "got to have it NOW" that they can't hang it on Ebay for 7 days and get significantly more??? Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 5 14:49:59 2010 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, Thomas Witt Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:34:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pawn Stars "The thing that gets me about items on Pawn Stars is how quickly the seller agrees to about half the items value. I mean are they too lazy , too "got to have it NOW" that they can't hang it on Ebay for 7 days and get significantly more??? Tom" I think people that pawn are usually jonesing pretty bad for some substance. They also mostly don't have computers or internet service or any sort of credit or references or ability to deal with PayPal. There is no such thing as "reality TV" it is as scripted and edited as anything else. It just employs non union personel and very very bad actors. I watched most of one episode on a reccomendation that it was like a trailer trash Antique Road Show. It wasn't, it was just trash. Steve B9473720 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 5 14:50:08 2010 From: "John Dillman" To: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:36:29 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pawn Stars I watched that program with interest, too. Having built a Kirkham Cobra (and Shelby at least at one time was using Kirkham rollers and turning them into Shelbys . .. ) and looked at a bunch of the real things . .. I found the whole thing a little funny. They were very careful what they called the car . .. a real 1965 or whatever Cobra, but in the Shelby work that apparently doesn't mean it has any age . . . And the suspension parts were definitely not the original configuration and finish. My guess it that it was a never finished "continuation" body. A really neat toy (that I would have built differently) but not the real deal, at least not to me . . . My thinking when I saw the show was that, had it been an original 45 year old body . . .. they would have built the car as an original Cobra in every way, and instead it turned out like a continuation car. Again, a nice toy, but not a piece of history. John Dillman _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 5 20:37:28 2010 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:21:11 EST Subject: [Tigers] 302 c.i. A new 302 for your tiger. _http://autos.aol.com/article/2011-ford-mustang-gt_ (http://autos.aol.com/article/2011-ford-mustang-gt) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 6 01:06:24 2010 From: drmayf To: CoolVT@aol.com Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:42:08 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 302 c.i. Only if you want to cut up your Tiger to fit it in. That is not a windsor based 302, lol. It is bigger than an an old hemi or maybe an old 427 cammer... they are really big..wide and deep. mayf CoolVT@aol.com wrote: >A new 302 for your tiger. >_http://autos.aol.com/article/2011-ford-mustang-gt_ >(http://autos.aol.com/article/2011-ford-mustang-gt) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 6 13:23:24 2010 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:18:50 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] tiger for sale in the dallas area Good afternoon friends, Here is a craigslist ad for a Tiger for sale in the dallas area, thought I would pass it along. if you go to craigslist and search it there are a few pics. For the owner, if you happen to be listening on the list, I think you're priced too high based off the pictures. Just my opinion, although a midnight blue car would be nice.. Sunbeam Tiger Mark IVA 1966 - Restored Shelby - $25000 (Dallas) ________________________________ Date: 2009-12-13, 4:07PM CST Reply to: sale-2vnkj-1508541442@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?] ________________________________ This is one rare car that might be one of the best auto investments out there. For those not familiar with Sunbeam Tigers they were the second creation by Caroll Shelby after / simulaneos to the AC Cobra. In many respects the same vehicle as a small block v8 Cobra... British sports car shell with Ford engine, drive train and Shelby engineering and assembly in the US> This car is an authentic Tiger know by the Tiger Registry. All original in good working order ready for final paint and some interior refresh. We at SelectClassics could finish this car in a few weeks to your specs or will build to our spec in January. This is your opportunity for a great investment, you can customize, you can buy with equity and let us deal with the final finish out. A two owner 1966 Mark IV A Sunbeam Tiger in Midnight Blue - Complete stripped to bare metal - All body work done, blocked primed - Primed in Dupont Expoxy primer ready for final paint - Original 260V8 engine redone runs great - New clutch - 4 speed works great - A rust free car... minor surface rust removed while doing body work - All parts are available with car (bumpers, hard top, soft top, etc.) - Roll bar installed - Lucas Fog lights - Gas tanks completely redone - new fuel lines, pump - All new brakes - All new clutch master cylinder etc. - New wood dash to be installed - Runs great read for final paint and finish out At SelectClassics we specialize in Boss Mustang clones, hi-performance BMW's and a few other vehicles. This Sunbeam Tiger has been with us for a bit over one year and has been updated nicely less final paint and final interior finishout. We are torn on a stock look vs. some upgraded restomod looks so though we would finish out to you the customer specs Price is for car ASIS but we will do paint, interior and other finish out work at basically our cost. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 6 14:51:32 2010 From: "Alvin Johnson" To: "Cullen McCann" , Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:52:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger for sale in the dallas area He's not really selling "Tiger"---he's selling the Shelby mystique. > For the owner, if you happen to be listening on the list, I think you're > priced too high based off the pictures. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 6 14:51:49 2010 From: Cullen McCann To: Alvin Johnson , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:54:09 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger for sale in the dallas area Seems to be the common thread behind pitching Tigers to the general public. I guess he probably doesn't think it would carry that much weight to say "prototyped by the Legendary Ken Miles".... people would go....HUH? He's not really selling "Tiger"---he's selling the Shelby mystique. > For the owner, if you happen to be listening on the list, I think you're > priced too high based off the pictures. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 6 15:36:42 2010 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:39:39 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] more tigers for sale? well I was just browsing...dont know if these cars are still available, but the ads are still out there for viewing....im sure most of you have already seen these ads or are familiar with these cars...but...it was quiet today and I missed your banter... Cullen now this is a clean, clean looking car...also found on craigslist in San Francisco area... Sunbeam Tiger 1966 V8 - $19990 (Dauphin Island) 1966 SUNBEAM TIGER FOR SALE Mark 1A B382000475LRXFE Also - near Chico California: Sunbeam Tiger - $12500 (Paradise) For sale B9470991 Needs complete restoration. Many new parts and body work started. Engine rebuilt by past owner. Posi rearend, short shifter, Mags. Real Tiger Will trade for 67 Mustang Coupe plus cash. near Reno NV Sunbeam Tiger - $8500 (Oroville) 1964 sunbeam Tiger ( a real one ) Very good Body no major hits . never any clips , most body work done , orig floors . orig paint in trunk engine bay , door jams. 289 motor apart - top loader trans 4 sp. 209-598-4019 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 6 18:01:54 2010 From: "Robert Jaarsma" To: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:09:15 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Chrome Valve Covers Has anybody bought these valve covers? Are they really high quality and just like originals? The price of $62.95/pair, is certainly attractive and less then having a set rechromed. "PN#: 4533 Another classic valve cover by Scott Drake. High quality chrome and improved fit. Will look great on any small block Ford engine." http://www.restoremustangs.com/Chrome-Valve-Covers-1120.html?search_mode l=0&search_year=0&search_text=valve+cover&search_group=1 Thanks, Robert Jaarsma _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 6 20:30:53 2010 From: Steve Laifman To: spook01@comcast.net Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:45:15 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment Ray, I had to refill my tank, getting low after my trip to Big Bear for the T.U. This is about 5,000 feet, I believe. The local Big Bear gas station I found was "Valerio" (sp?) and the car would barely run after the fill. It may not be diluted with alcohol, but the car wouldn't run for beans until I refilled with Shell. But, they were cheaper than others. I have steadfastly refused to use their stuff again. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com spook01@comcast.net wrote: > just found out that valero sells gasoline here in tn. as well.B i intend to > fill up with their fuel and see if and how much of an increase in mileage i > obtain. > > ray _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 6 22:55:04 2010 From: "awtiger" To: "Steve Laifman" , Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 23:09:07 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment Hmmm...I use Valero fuels religiously because it's pure gas with no alcohol additives. We run it in my wife's Isuzu, my Ford Focus and the Tiger. The only car in our stable that doesn't get Valero fuel is my vintage racing-prepped Alpine, which lives on a diet of 110 octane racing fuel. I've had no problems whatsoever with Valero fuels here in Oklahoma. Perhaps, Steve, your problem had more to do with altitude than fuel quality. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740) B9006857LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" To: Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment > Ray, > > I had to refill my tank, getting low after my trip to Big Bear for the > T.U. This is about 5,000 feet, I believe. > > The local Big Bear gas station I found was "Valerio" (sp?) and the car > would barely run after the fill. It may not be diluted with alcohol, but > the car wouldn't run for beans until I refilled with Shell. But, they > were cheaper than others. > > I have steadfastly refused to use their stuff again. > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > spook01@comcast.net wrote: >> just found out that valero sells gasoline here in tn. as well.B i intend >> to >> fill up with their fuel and see if and how much of an increase in mileage >> i >> obtain. >> >> ray _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 6 23:55:13 2010 From: Sandy Ganz To: Robert Jaarsma , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:12:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chrome Valve Covers Robert I have a set of them that I picked up at a mustang parts shop and they look ok. Not the thickest material, maybe what it was back in the day. They are available at every mustang parts place for various prices. One thing that you might have issues with is roller rockers, but not sure. they would not fit over the shaft rockers I have on the new tiger motor without 2 gaskets stacked. I also had to remove the breather vents and baffle to clear the shafts but not sure if they would hit on roller rockers (Others might comment). I think they look better then the aluminum ones IMO. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Robert Jaarsma To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 4:09:15 PM Subject: [Tigers] Chrome Valve Covers Has anybody bought these valve covers? Are they really high quality and just like originals? The price of $62.95/pair, is certainly attractive and less then having a set rechromed. "PN#: 4533 Another classic valve cover by Scott Drake. High quality chrome and improved fit. Will look great on any small block Ford engine." http://www.restoremustangs.com/Chrome-Valve-Covers-1120.html?search_mode l=0&search_year=0&search_text=valve+cover&search_group=1 Thanks, Robert Jaarsma _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 7 07:25:02 2010 From: "Gary Fish" To: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 08:44:55 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Hotrod magazine The February issue of Hotrod magazine has an interesting picture of a full race Tiger at a diner. Anyone familiar with the car? Also the magazine has an article coming in next month's edition on a FE powered Tiger. Knowing the magazine it will be an interesting article. G. Fish 66, #1265 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 7 07:54:57 2010 From: jd.sencindiver@gmail.com To: awtiger Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:08:12 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment I've used Valero gas here in Virginia with no issues in any of my vehicles: 67 Tiger, 99 Tacoma 4WD, 2004 Grand Prix GTP, and 2009 Pontiac G8 GT. My wife uses Valero gas in her 2006 BMW 325i, 1983 Firebird, and 1973 Mercedes 450SL without any problems. Maybe Steve just got a bad batch of gas from that station! Jim Sencindiver B382100451/TAC 448 http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp On Jan 7, 2010 12:09am, awtiger wrote: > Hmmm...I use Valero fuels religiously because it's pure gas with no > alcohol additives. We run it in my wife's Isuzu, my Ford Focus and the > Tiger. The only car in our stable that doesn't get Valero fuel is my > vintage racing-prepped Alpine, which lives on a diet of 110 octane racing > fuel. I've had no problems whatsoever with Valero fuels here in Oklahoma. > Perhaps, Steve, your problem had more to do with altitude than fuel > quality. > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740) > B9006857LRX _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 7 09:26:00 2010 From: fhsloth13@aol.com To: jd.sencindiver@gmail.com, awtiger@cox.net Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 10:48:41 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment Sounds like a bad batch, or maybe water in the fuel. What was the temperature the day you filled up? Maybe there was condensate in the delivery truck or the underground fuel tanks. Fred Baum No problems with Valero fuel in 2 Mazdas and 2-Tigers _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 7 09:55:42 2010 From: Jeffrey Nichols To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 07:57:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Jive Talkn' Pawn Stars "I think people that pawn are usually jonesing pretty bad for some substance." What it be, bro? I gots' some hard time dig itin' whut ya' are sayin'. Are ya' sayin' dese sucka's are broke and need bre'd? Or, are dey too dumb t'know about Ebay? Maybe dey are plum dumb and duzn't know de value uh whut dey gots'. Some sucka's, ah' guess are plum clueless and despuh'te. What it is, Mama! Dey probably need some educashun. See ya' lata' homey. Jive Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 7 10:56:11 2010 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:24:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger for sale in the dallas area This is certainly a rare Tiger and, perhaps, unique, being that it is a Mk IV A! I've never seen anything past a Mk II. You never know where stimulus money will turn up! Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 7 11:54:06 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Gary Fish'" , Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:00:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hotrod magazine Gary I have seen pictures of that Tiger several times but I can't find a reference to it right now. It is a high dollar Tiger. I believe those are LED headlights. I looked them up and they are either $600 each or for the pair; I don't recall exactly. To put a 427 into a Tiger requires cutting inner wheel wells and frame; replace with tube steel. Not for the faint of heart and it better be an aluminum 427 or your going to add around 200lbs to the front weight. There is another reference to Sunbeam in the Feb 2010 issue of Hot Rod that is easily overlooked on page 110. Pit Stop section a question is asked about Coefficient of Drag for cars and the answer given is Mayfield Motorsport, Pahrump, NV. www.mayfco.com/tbls.htm Dr Mayf and the Spirit of Sunbeam Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Fish Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:45 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Hotrod magazine The February issue of Hotrod magazine has an interesting picture of a full race Tiger at a diner. Anyone familiar with the car? Also the magazine has an article coming in next month's edition on a FE powered Tiger. Knowing the magazine it will be an interesting article. G. Fish 66, #1265 You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.431 / Virus Database: 270.14.127/2603 - Release Date: 01/06/10 07:35:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 7 12:59:19 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , "Gary Fish" , Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:07:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hotrod magazine This is sort of offtopic, but... Citroen hot rod? http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/113_0703_1966_citroen_id_19/index .html I couldn't find the Tiger on Hot Rod's website... Maybe I'll have to go buy a mag off the rack. Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 7 13:51:38 2010 From: Owain Lloyd To: "Smit, Theo" Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:01:43 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hotrod magazine yes.... why don't people built hot rods from cars that were crap to start off with? On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > This is sort of offtopic, but... Citroen hot rod? > > http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/113_0703_1966_citroen_id_19/index > .html > > I couldn't find the Tiger on Hot Rod's website... Maybe I'll have to go > buy a mag off the rack. > > Theo > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 7 13:52:09 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: 'Gary Fish' , tigers@autox.team.net, Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:14:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hotrod magazine Seems a person might be better off using an Alpine shell for so many permanent mods and calling it a Tiger. I'm sure its a go fast sob but I rather have a car modified by Dale A. or his equivalent- a Sunbeam person with a small block and all the mods that are available from Dale, Tom Hall and others. Not that I wouldn't be glad to own this car and hopefully I can find the mag locally to get to read- OK, look at the pics for those that know me- now why have my fonts changed . Went to heavy black when I deleted Ron's address. I will never understand why PCs do the things they do.In France everything has a sex, so when you speak or write French, you use the proper language to show the item is male or female- PCs- of any type HAVE GOT TO BE FEMALE. Happy belated New years for those I missed. Cheers, TonytheTiger (my apologies to the ladies) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 7 13:52:55 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:22:13 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hotrod magazine True enough. You know that those guys are not in it for the quick buck. Doing something like that takes so much unique fabrication that the catalog guys would never even consider it. That ID19 is up there with the Beardmore Kitten and this Fiat 850, in my book. http://www.sdsefi.com/features/may06fiat.htm http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/reliant_kitten.htm Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 7 14:36:30 2010 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:13:50 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hotrod magazine >>> True enough. You know that those guys are not in it for the quick >>> buck.<<< Nice cars. Scary to think where it ends... a V-10 in a Smart car! Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 7 17:17:58 2010 From: Howard gentry To: Tod Brown Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:03:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger for sale in the dallas area Hi, My uncle had a Tiger as you described it in the Dallas area in the late 60's..His was BRG with a Cobra series II 306 HP engine,289 C.I. He bought it in the Phillipines when he was in the AF..had it driven to Wv where he was living at the time..He died and his daughter got it and had it moved to the Dallas area..It was rusting to the ground in the back yard when it was sold..maybe in the late 70's..I lost track of it then.. I drove it a lot in Wv..It was a strong, revvy engine..much more than the 13 inch tires could handle..I remember 2nd gear with the secondaries open causing much G force and clouds of tire smoke..If this is the Tiger mentioned, it is a good one..restored to better than original.. zym The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Tod Brown wrote: From: Tod Brown Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger for sale in the dallas area To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 12:24 PM This is certainly a rare Tiger and, perhaps, unique, being that it is a Mk IV A! I've never seen anything past a Mk II. You never know where stimulus money will turn up! Tod B382002384LRXFE You are subscribed as zymmer4@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 7 18:06:14 2010 From: "C. Robert Bernardino, MD FACS" To: Howard gentry Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:42:41 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger for sale in the dallas area I wonder how many Tigers made it asia? That is one rare cat! Rob in CT C. Robert Bernardino, MD FACS Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Residency Program Director Ophthalmic Plastics & Orbital Surgery Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2010, at 7:03 PM, Howard gentry wrote: > Hi, > My uncle had a Tiger as you described it in the Dallas area in > the late > 60's..His was BRG with a Cobra series II 306 HP engine,289 C.I. He > bought it > in the Phillipines when he was in the AF..had it driven to Wv where > he was > living at the time..He died and his daughter got it and had it moved > to the > Dallas area..It was rusting to the ground in the back yard when it was > sold..maybe in the late 70's..I lost track of it then.. > I drove it a lot in Wv..It was a strong, revvy engine..much more > than the > 13 inch tires could handle..I remember 2nd gear with the secondaries > open > causing much G force and clouds of tire smoke..If this is the Tiger > mentioned, > it is a good one..restored to better than original.. > zym > > The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. > > --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Tod Brown wrote: > > > From: Tod Brown > Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger for sale in the dallas area > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 12:24 PM > > > This is certainly a rare Tiger and, perhaps, unique, being that it > is a Mk IV > A! I've never seen anything past a Mk II. You never know where > stimulus > money will turn up! > > Tod > B382002384LRXFE > You are subscribed as zymmer4@yahoo.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as crbernardino@mac.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 7 18:33:16 2010 From: michael king To: "C. Robert Bernardino, MD FACS" Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:09:35 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger for sale in the dallas area 2010/1/8 C. Robert Bernardino, MD FACS > I wonder how many Tigers made it asia? That is one rare cat! > Rob in CT There is apparently a MKI Tiger in india that i was made aware of a few years back.. its in a collection of british cars. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 7 20:47:56 2010 From: Howard gentry To: " MD FACSC. Robert Bernardino" Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 19:29:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger for sale in the dallas area Hi, According to Sonny, my uncle, there were two of them bought to race in the Phillipines..the other one was set up the same, only red in color..makes one wonder... zym The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Thu, 1/7/10, C. Robert Bernardino, MD FACS wrote: From: C. Robert Bernardino, MD FACS Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger for sale in the dallas area To: "Howard gentry" Cc: "Tod Brown" , "tiger list" Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 7:42 PM I wonder how many Tigers made it asia? That is one rare cat! Rob in CT C. Robert Bernardino, MD FACS Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Residency Program Director Ophthalmic Plastics & Orbital Surgery Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2010, at 7:03 PM, Howard gentry wrote: > Hi, > My uncle had a Tiger as you described it in the Dallas area in the late > 60's..His was BRG with a Cobra series II 306 HP engine,289 C.I. He bought it > in the Phillipines when he was in the AF..had it driven to Wv where he was > living at the time..He died and his daughter got it and had it moved to the > Dallas area..It was rusting to the ground in the back yard when it was > sold..maybe in the late 70's..I lost track of it then.. > I drove it a lot in Wv..It was a strong, revvy engine..much more than the > 13 inch tires could handle..I remember 2nd gear with the secondaries open > causing much G force and clouds of tire smoke..If this is the Tiger mentioned, > it is a good one..restored to better than original.. > zym > > The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. > > --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Tod Brown wrote: > > > From: Tod Brown > Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger for sale in the dallas area > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 12:24 PM > > > This is certainly a rare Tiger and, perhaps, unique, being that it is a Mk IV > A! I've never seen anything past a Mk II. You never know where stimulus > money will turn up! > > Tod > B382002384LRXFE > You are subscribed as zymmer4@yahoo.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as crbernardino@mac.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 8 00:14:44 2010 From: Peter MacDonald To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 22:52:52 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Gasoline Went to the Chevron today to get some gas and noticed a sticker on the pump that said "May contain up to 10% alcohol". I asked the attendant when this happened. He said "Yesterday". The price was $1.09/Litre - up from last time enough that I was thinking it was either Canadian Club or something similar they must be using. Peter _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 8 02:44:53 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, Peter MacDonald Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 01:25:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gasoline Peter, Im certain it might be Early Times or Old Taylor- no way are they importing a Canadian blent. If they would use eastern Ky. or southern WVa moonshine the octane would go up but then we would have people trying to remove the gasoline from the "shine". They would drink one and drive on the remainder. Cheers, Tony --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Peter MacDonald wrote: From: Peter MacDonald Subject: [Tigers] Gasoline To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 12:52 AM Went to the Chevron today to get some gas and noticed a sticker on the pump that said "May contain up to 10% alcohol". I asked the attendant when this happened. He said "Yesterday". The price was $1.09/Litre - up from last time enough that I was thinking it was either Canadian Club or something similar they must be using. Peter You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 8 07:16:29 2010 From: Howard gentry To: Peter MacDonald Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 05:54:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gasoline Hi, Welcome to Oxygenated fuel..5/4 the price...4/5 the power of gasoline..Baa Humbug!! I say. zym The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Peter MacDonald wrote: From: Peter MacDonald Subject: [Tigers] Gasoline To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 1:52 AM Went to the Chevron today to get some gas and noticed a sticker on the pump that said "May contain up to 10% alcohol". I asked the attendant when this happened. He said "Yesterday". The price was $1.09/Litre - up from last time enough that I was thinking it was either Canadian Club or something similar they must be using. Peter You are subscribed as zymmer4@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 8 07:17:31 2010 From: Howard gentry To: Tony Somebody Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 05:58:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gasoline Hi, Here in Wv. they start with 80 octane "pool fuel" and add squeeze till it will burn..:-). I make better fuel on my stove top than most of the commercial refineries..lol..and it certainly tastes better. zym The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gasoline To: tigers@autox.team.net, "Peter MacDonald" Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 4:25 AM Peter, Im certain it might be Early Times or Old Taylor- no way are they importing a Canadian blent. If they would use eastern Ky. or southern WVa moonshine the octane would go up but then we would have people trying to remove the gasoline from the "shine". They would drink one and drive on the remainder. Cheers, Tony --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Peter MacDonald wrote: From: Peter MacDonald Subject: [Tigers] Gasoline To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 12:52 AM Went to the Chevron today to get some gas and noticed a sticker on the pump that said "May contain up to 10% alcohol". I asked the attendant when this happened. He said "Yesterday". The price was $1.09/Litre - up from last time enough that I was thinking it was either Canadian Club or something similar they must be using. Peter You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as zymmer4@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 8 14:44:37 2010 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:20:09 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] What did you do in the War, daddy? Friends, The Daily News has just published an article about the Rocketdyne F-1 rocket motor on display at their former headquarters in Canoga Park. It is now occupied by Pratt & Whitney. This giant rocket was used in the Saturn launch Lunar Landing in 1969, in a group of 5 on the first stage. It was tested as early as 1957. I am a bit proud of that achievement, and played an significant role in the design and development of the rocket engine. Well, when you get older, your earlier memories become more dear. Now, if only I could figure out how to get THAT engine in my Tiger ( and someone who would drive it! What's Dr. Mayf up to? He will drive ANYTHING that is fast.) Many have seen the Salt Lake rocket sled tests at Salt Lake, near the "flats". That was just a small rocket that bent the doctor's face around his skull. Can you IMAGINE 1,500.000 lbf thrust?? http://www.dailynews.com/search/ci_14146137?IADID=Search-www.dailynews.com-www.dailynews.com and a Wikipedia article (with lots of pics): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-1_(rocket_engine) Keep 'em Flying! Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 8 15:34:22 2010 From: Bob Josten To: Steve Laifman Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:11:36 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What did you do in the War, daddy? Hi Steve, I find it amazing that just a little over a decade after WW2 something like this could be designed and built. You guys must have been thrilled beyond belief. Are these guys related to you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCjHV63MQ4w&feature=player_embedded regards Bob J. On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Steve Laifman wrote: > Friends, > > The Daily News has just published an article about the Rocketdyne F-1 rocket > motor on display at their former headquarters in Canoga Park. It is now > occupied by Pratt & Whitney. This giant rocket was used in the Saturn > launch Lunar Landing in 1969, in a group of 5 on the first stage. It was > tested as early as 1957. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 8 15:45:52 2010 From: Steve Laifman To: Bob Josten Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:35:09 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What did you do in the War, daddy? Bob, A Christmas Tree Rocket, hmm! Actually while in high school, and before CalTech, a friend and I built a rocket starting with raw ingredients. Took it to a field that looked a lot like that pictured, and remotely ignited it. Well, it blew up on the pad and almost set the farmer's weeds on fire. After a solid education, and in first professional job with North American Aviations Rocketdyne Division in 1955, I helped with the engineering design/development/test of the Redstone, Thor, Jupiter, Atlas, and the F-1. Received a few patents on my design work. Went on to bigger jobs after that, still in the Rocket Field. Met Dr. Mayf when he was at Vandenberg AFB. Thanks for asking. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Bob Josten wrote: > Hi Steve, I find it amazing that just a little over a decade after WW2 > something like this could be designed and built. You guys must have > been thrilled beyond belief. > Are these guys related to you? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCjHV63MQ4w&feature=player_embedded > > regards > Bob J. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 8 16:29:45 2010 From: drmayf To: Steve Laifman Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:09:58 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What did you do in the War, daddy? Yup, that was a humdinger! And while I had no part in that engine or any of the Saturn Program, I did go to the Canoga Park or was it Santa Susana test area once. I watched the propellant turbine make a test run. It only produced as I recall abotu 50,000 lb thrust as exhaust, lol... Quite Spectacular! And I stood and watched as an upper stage engine was run...with me looking straight into teh flame bucket.. and fairly close to it as well. Yikes! Shake your insides loose! So, thank you for those efforts, Steve! Oh, were you around when teh free air hydrogen exposion happened at the test facility? As I undrstand it, they were going to run the hydrogen stage set of motors with the real tankage and some farkle cause an abort. The detanked teh hydrogen out into the air, but it was so clod that teh gaseous H2 hung like fog on teh ground and then ...KABOOM... some blown in ear drums, virtually all the support traileres had crush damage and most all windows were blown in. Nobody seriously hurt though.... remember that? I just heard about it later...so I may have it completely wrong... So, thanks again, Steve! mayf Steve Laifman wrote: > Friends, > > The Daily News has just published an article about the Rocketdyne F-1 > rocket motor on display at their former headquarters in Canoga Park. > It is now occupied by Pratt & Whitney. This giant rocket was used in > the Saturn launch Lunar Landing in 1969, in a group of 5 on the first > stage. It was tested as early as 1957. > > I am a bit proud of that achievement, and played an significant role > in the design and development of the rocket engine. > > Well, when you get older, your earlier memories become more dear. > Now, if only I could figure out how to get THAT engine in my Tiger ( > and someone who would drive it! What's Dr. Mayf up to? He will drive > ANYTHING that is fast.) > > Many have seen the Salt Lake rocket sled tests at Salt Lake, near the > "flats". That was just a small rocket that bent the doctor's face > around his skull. Can you IMAGINE 1,500.000 lbf thrust?? > > http://www.dailynews.com/search/ci_14146137?IADID=Search-www.dailynews.com-www.dailynews.com > > > and a Wikipedia article (with lots of pics): > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-1_(rocket_engine) > > > > Keep 'em Flying! > > Steve > > -- > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 8 17:14:01 2010 From: To: Tiger's Den , Steve Laifman Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 19:00:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What did you do in the War, daddy? Congrats on your achievements Steve. I was watching a show on Smithsonian Channel this week about the expansion of the Air and Space museum. It was a great reminder of how fast the United States can move when it needs or wants to. 66 years from Kitty Hawk to Tranquility Base on the moon. Incredible. My Dad was a Marine in the Pacific in WWII and came home to finish an engineering degree. He worked till he died in Aerospace for TRW, Martin, Douglass and Convair. He was involved in Skylab and Voyager. Most of the time he was on classified projects and we didn't know what he was doing. At his funeral in 1986 two co-workers came forward and said they still couldn't say what he was doing at the end but phrased it has "he was working on good stuff not bad stuff" I assumed they meant the SDI or star wars project but probably will never know. Steve R B9473720 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 9 07:06:54 2010 From: George Re To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:56:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch? Hello: Looking for info a what clutch fits the 260 mk1? will a Mustang, Fairlane with a 260 fit? or is there a special one only for the tiger. Thanks George 65 B9471055 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 9 07:39:28 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'George Re'" , Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:36:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch? George There is nothing special about the Tiger clutch; stock 260 Ford parts. >From Rootes Parts Manual 6601131 C2OZ-7563-D pressure plate C3OZ-7550-A clutch plate Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Re Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:56 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch? Hello: Looking for info a what clutch fits the 260 mk1? will a Mustang, Fairlane with a 260 fit? or is there a special one only for the tiger. Thanks George 65 B9471055 You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.431 / Virus Database: 270.14.130/2607 - Release Date: 01/08/10 07:35:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 9 07:39:39 2010 From: hav357@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:37:49 EST Subject: [Tigers] Remote oil filter top nut To all, I''ve gathered most of the parts for the remote oil filter assy, for the MK1 stock 260. However im missing the top nut the extends through the aluminum flange and attaches the oil filter. It is reference number 86 on plate D section AF. Can any one provide one or tell me where to find one? I'm also looking for the oil filter part number such as a fram or purolator number. Thanks, for your help, Joe Havranek Rosendale, NY _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 9 07:53:01 2010 From: "Stu Brennan" To: , Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:52:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Remote oil filter top nut It's Fram PH8A, Motorcraft FL1, same as tons of Fords. I've never seen another source for that part you are after, so you will just have to find someone who came to their senses and converted to the right angle adapter or some aftermarket remote filter setup, and is getting rid of the stock parts. Stu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 9 08:08:55 2010 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: , , Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:04:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch? Get a Centerforce. Very happy with mine, and it's not really a job you want to do again soon. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations NetJets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 9 09:08:09 2010 From: hav357@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:57:15 EST Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Remote oil filter top nut All. My apologies it was reference number 80. Joe Return-Path: Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA033-5c544b4894bd8d; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 09:37:55 -0500 Received: from magic-d23.mail.aol.com (magic-d23.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.157]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA032-5c544b4894bd8d; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 09:37:49 -0500 From: hav357@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:37:49 EST Subject: Remote oil filter top nut To: tigers@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6033 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 67.250.116.123 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.146.157 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain To all, I''ve gathered most of the parts for the remote oil filter assy, for the MK1 stock 260. However im missing the top nut the extends through the aluminum flange and attaches the oil filter. It is reference number 86 on plate D section AF. Can any one provide one or tell me where to find one? I'm also looking for the oil filter part number such as a fram or purolator number. Thanks, for your help, Joe Havranek Rosendale, NY _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 9 10:08:43 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: hav357@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net, Stu Brennan Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 08:57:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Remote oil filter top nut AMEN Stu. Unless you are like me and have headers that interfere- Im not absolutely positive- maybe IF I remove the header first but I think the stocl oil lines is a weak design- the right angle and shorty filter is much better and who cares if I have to change filter sooner -I just use castor girling sythentic oil- IF I could that is. --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Stu Brennan wrote: From: Stu Brennan Subject: Re: [Tigers] Remote oil filter top nut To: hav357@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 8:52 AM It's Fram PH8A, Motorcraft FL1, same as tons of Fords. I've never seen another source for that part you are after, so you will just have to find someone who came to their senses and converted to the right angle adapter or some aftermarket remote filter setup, and is getting rid of the stock parts. Stu You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 9 11:09:40 2010 From: Howard gentry To: Tony Somebody Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:53:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE Here,here, I have had the same problem..I can't understand the India or korean dialect too well... zym The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: Fw: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE To: "Tony Someone" Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 11:26 AM --- On Fri, 1/8/10, mike schreiner wrote: #yiv368702524 #yiv2050117198 #yiv1475095464 v\00003a* { } #yiv368702524 #yiv2050117198 #yiv1475095464 o\00003a* { } #yiv368702524 #yiv2050117198 #yiv1475095464 w\00003a* { } #yiv368702524 #yiv2050117198 #yiv1475095464 .shape { } #yiv368702524 #yiv2050117198 #yiv1475095464 st1\00003a*{} Subject: FW: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE Subject: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE The owner of Casa D'ice restaurant in North Versailles, PA ...(NEAR PITTSBURGH ) The owner changes the signs when he gets another idea...Or just wants to make a [political] statement and WOW! 10/19/08 This guy needs to be funded "In God We Trust" = -- Visit www.focusmyhealth.com/chainsaw or send the word Pete to 36287 for information about FOCUS My Health. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 9 11:24:45 2010 From: "csx2282" To: Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:04:36 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What did you do in the War, daddy So Steve, it was YOU who was responsible for all that racket I had to put up with when I was living in Canoga Park during the '50s and '60s! Roland _________________________________________ Friends, The Daily News has just published an article about the Rocketdyne F-1 rocket motor on display at their former headquarters in Canoga Park. It is now occupied by Pratt & Whitney. This giant rocket was used in the Saturn launch Lunar Landing in 1969, in a group of 5 on the first stage. It was tested as early as 1957. I am a bit proud of that achievement, and played an significant role in the design and development of the rocket engine. Well, when you get older, your earlier memories become more dear. Now, if only I could figure out how to get THAT engine in my Tiger ( and someone who would drive it! What's Dr. Mayf up to? He will drive ANYTHING that is fast.) Many have seen the Salt Lake rocket sled tests at Salt Lake, near the "flats". That was just a small rocket that bent the doctor's face around his skull. Can you IMAGINE 1,500.000 lbf thrust?? http://www.dailynews.com/search/ci_14146137?IADID=Search-www.dailynews.com-www.dailynews.com and a Wikipedia article (with lots of pics): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-1_(rocket_engine) Keep 'em Flying! Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 9 11:24:51 2010 From: Owain Lloyd To: Howard gentry Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 18:11:42 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE sorry, i can't find the one about sunbeam tigers. maybe my email didn't show all the pictures. can you resend the email without all the irrelevant political ones? On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Howard gentry wrote: > Here,here, > I have had the same problem..I can't understand the India or korean > dialect too well... > zym > > The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. > > --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Tony Somebody wrote: > > > From: Tony Somebody > Subject: Fw: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE > To: "Tony Someone" > Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 11:26 AM > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/8/10, mike schreiner wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #yiv368702524 #yiv2050117198 #yiv1475095464 v\00003a* { > } > #yiv368702524 #yiv2050117198 #yiv1475095464 o\00003a* { > } > #yiv368702524 #yiv2050117198 #yiv1475095464 w\00003a* { > } > #yiv368702524 #yiv2050117198 #yiv1475095464 .shape { > } > > > > #yiv368702524 #yiv2050117198 #yiv1475095464 st1\00003a*{} > > > > > > > > > > Subject: FW: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE > > > > > > > > > Subject: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The owner of Casa D'ice restaurant in > > North Versailles, PA ...(NEAR PITTSBURGH ) > > The owner changes the signs when he gets another idea...Or just wants to > make > a [political] statement and WOW! > > > > > > 10/19/08 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This guy needs to be funded > > > > > "In God We Trust" > > > > = > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Visit www.focusmyhealth.com/chainsaw or send the word Pete to 36287 for > information about FOCUS My Health. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 9 11:37:11 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: Howard gentry , owain.lloyd@gmail.com Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:27:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE It polly should have said OFF TOPIC Owain, my apologizes. The one I liked was push one for English as we seldom get to speak to anyone that speaks English well enough to be understood- The email was sent by a republican friend- Im not smart enough to argue politics so I go with what I think is best- no matter the party. Cheers, Tony --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Owain Lloyd wrote: From: Owain Lloyd Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE To: "Howard gentry" Cc: "Tony Somebody" , "tiger list" Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 12:11 PM sorry, i can't find the one about sunbeam tigers. maybe my email didn't show all the pictures. can you resend the email without all the irrelevant political ones? On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Howard gentry wrote: Here,here, I have had the same problem..I can't understand the India or korean dialect too well... zym The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: Fw: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE To: "Tony Someone" Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 11:26 AM --- On Fri, 1/8/10, mike schreiner wrote: #yiv368702524 #yiv2050117198 #yiv1475095464 v\00003a* { } #yiv368702524 #yiv2050117198 #yiv1475095464 o\00003a* { } #yiv368702524 #yiv2050117198 #yiv1475095464 w\00003a* { } #yiv368702524 #yiv2050117198 #yiv1475095464 .shape { } #yiv368702524 #yiv2050117198 #yiv1475095464 st1\00003a*{} Subject: FW: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE Subject: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE The owner of Casa D'ice restaurant in North Versailles, PA ...(NEAR PITTSBURGH ) The owner changes the signs when he gets another idea...Or just wants to make a [political] statement and WOW! 10/19/08 This guy needs to be funded "In God We Trust" = -- Visit www.focusmyhealth.com/chainsaw or send the word Pete to 36287 for information about FOCUS My Health. You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 9 12:35:24 2010 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:25:59 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What did you do in the War, daddy? >>>Went on to bigger jobs after that, still in the Rocket Field.<<< Yes, we heard those "bigger jobs" over here in Thousand Oaks (about 10 miles as the crow fly's from the test pad). Unexpected rocket testing and my arrhythmia never went together too well. There were a few instances where for a second we thought it was the end of the world. I can't recall the last time I heard a rocket though ... . I know about all the "toxic site" issues, but are they still doing any testing out there? Also, wasn't that the site where the first nuclear powered electricity generator was? It powering of all things sleepy little Moorpark. I'll say this, Tigers and some rocket motors have one thing in common - suspect fuel tanks. :-) Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 9 12:50:48 2010 From: "rande" To: SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:50:09 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) So Steve, it was YOU who was responsible for all that racket I had to put up with when I was living in Canoga Park during the '50s and '60s! Roland Canoga Park? I felt it/heard it from Granada Hills in the '60s. For those who didn't experience this, it was the vibrational equivalent of the Great and All Powerful Wizard going, 'TESTING, TESTING' several times a year I hope this doesn't cancel my welcome to TigersUnited central command on future Valley visits, Steve. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 9 14:04:56 2010 From: BEAU2EVE@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:02:48 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 I put a remote oil filter under my left front fender, I used heater grommets to protect the line as it went through the inner fender. I used a high pressure line to reroute the oil lines there. Your local hydraulic shop should have that. Since I have headers , I could not use the PH-8 filter either. Beau B9470951 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 9 16:20:31 2010 From: Steve Sage To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:12:02 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger K&N Air Filter Size Answer I don't think I ever concluded this. I had asked about the correct K&N part number for my stock Tiger air cleaner. The old filter I had never fit right. It was just a bit too small. The old filter number was an A135A8. Through help from our list here someone said to try a K&N E2859. I did and it fits perfectly in the filter housing. Thanks again everyone for helping out. Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.14090 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 9 16:21:02 2010 From: David T Johnson To: Howard gentry , owain.lloyd@gmail.com, Tony Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 15:20:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE It all depends on where you live. In Chicago, call the City Hall. The prompt will say 1 for English 2 for Polish 3 for Spanish. Chicago. The city that works. Just last spring my son moved into a vacant apartment. ComEd told him with a 3 month deposit, they could connect him up in 6 weeks. I called the city hall, and pressed 1 (not 2 or 3.) They said Comed was a private company and he was SOL. I called the aldermatic office in the preceint. I spoke with him. He said 'I wouldn't want to lose a prospective voter. Its Friday afternoon, I'll look into it. On Saturday, the lights magically came on. It took Comed 6 weeks before they started billing. Monday, he visited the alderman's office to thank him. He shook his hands and wanted to welcome him to his precient and if he needed any other help, such as parking tickets, trash pick up, please call his office. Was offered ar taken. By the way, vote Democratic the next ellection. (There are no Republicans in Cook County) I'm not saying what happened. I'm saying there are too many overpaid petty bureacrats that stand in they way. They forget they are servants of the people. Ah Chicago, the city that works. Chicago, a city that needs a good quarterback. Dave --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE To: "Howard gentry" , owain.lloyd@gmail.com Cc: "tiger list" Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 6:27 PM It polly should have said OFF TOPIC Owain, my apologizes. The one I liked was push one for English as we seldom get to speak to anyone that speaks English well enough to be understood- The email was sent by a republican friend- Im not smart enough to argue politics so I go with what I think is best- no matter the party. Cheers, Tony --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Owain Lloyd wrote: From: Owain Lloyd Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE To: "Howard gentry" Cc: "Tony Somebody" , "tiger list" Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 12:11 PM sorry, i can't find the one about sunbeam tigers. maybe my email didn't show all the pictures. can you resend the email without all the irrelevant political ones? On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Howard gentry wrote: Here,here, I have had the same problem..I can't understand the India or korean dialect too well... zym The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: Fw: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE To: "Tony Someone" Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 11:26 AM --- On Fri, 1/8/10, mike schreiner wrote: #yiv368702524 #yiv2050117198 #yiv1475095464 v\00003a* { } #yiv368702524 #yiv2050117198 #yiv1475095464 o\00003a* { } #yiv368702524 #yiv2050117198 #yiv1475095464 w\00003a* { } #yiv368702524 #yiv2050117198 #yiv1475095464 .shape { } #yiv368702524 #yiv2050117198 #yiv1475095464 st1\00003a*{} Subject: FW: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE Subject: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE The owner of Casa D'ice restaurant in North Versailles, PA ...(NEAR PITTSBURGH ) The owner changes the signs when he gets another idea...Or just wants to make a [political] statement and WOW! 10/19/08 This guy needs to be funded "In God We Trust" = -- Visit www.focusmyhealth.com/chainsaw or send the word Pete to 36287 for information about FOCUS My Health. You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as djoh797014@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 10 20:34:18 2010 From: To: Thomas Witt Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 3:27:02 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What did you do in the War, daddy? Tom, The BIG "mishap" that caused the Toxic Site issues were the spills by the Nuclear Power guys, not the Rocket Guys. They called in all employees and ex-employees who were there at the time for health inspections. Fortunately, I had already gone on to even Bigger Things. Steve ---- Thomas Witt wrote: > >>>Went on to bigger jobs after that, still in the Rocket Field.<<< > > Yes, we heard those "bigger jobs" over here in Thousand Oaks (about 10 miles > as the crow fly's from the test pad). > > Unexpected rocket testing and my arrhythmia never went together too well. > There were a few instances where for a second we thought it was the end of > the world. I can't recall the last time I heard a rocket though ... . I > know about all the "toxic site" issues, but are they still doing any testing > out there? > > Also, wasn't that the site where the first nuclear powered electricity > generator was? It powering of all things sleepy little Moorpark. > > I'll say this, Tigers and some rocket motors have one thing in common - > suspect fuel tanks. :-) > > Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 10 20:49:05 2010 From: Sandy Ganz To: slaifman@socal.rr.com Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:48:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Rocket Scientist [Off tiger topic] Steve - Late to the Rocket Scientist discussion but I love all that stuff! I had been up to the facilities a bunch of times for, get this, a Fortran Programming class. I think they were working on sodium pumps or something like that (been a long time). When my brother lived in Texas years later I had done a tour of Johnson space center and took the tour, then they just let out out and walk around and do you own thing, any where that was not locked I'm sure that has all changed. All the stuff was still like the movie sets of Apollo 13. Cool stuff. I have some old press kits from Rocketdyne about the space shuttle before it was finished. I'll have to dig that up, lots of cool pics of the propulsion systems too. An era of innovation gone bye. Now if I could find one of those old Rocketdyne white jumpsuits ;) Good stories thanks all for sharing. Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 10 20:51:12 2010 From: drmayf To: slaifman@socal.rr.com Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:50:41 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What did you do in the War, daddy? And with Boeing's acquisition of Rocketdyne, they inherited the clean up as I recall. Still being argued over by the suits. What a mess.... mayf slaifman@socal.rr.com wrote: >Tom, > >The BIG "mishap" that caused the Toxic Site issues were the spills by the Nuclear Power guys, not the Rocket Guys. > >They called in all employees and ex-employees who were there at the time for health inspections. Fortunately, I had already gone on to even Bigger Things. > >Steve > >---- Thomas Witt wrote: > > >>>>>Went on to bigger jobs after that, still in the Rocket Field.<<< >>>>> >>>>> >>Yes, we heard those "bigger jobs" over here in Thousand Oaks (about 10 miles >>as the crow fly's from the test pad). >> >>Unexpected rocket testing and my arrhythmia never went together too well. >>There were a few instances where for a second we thought it was the end of >>the world. I can't recall the last time I heard a rocket though ... . I >>know about all the "toxic site" issues, but are they still doing any testing >>out there? >> >> Also, wasn't that the site where the first nuclear powered electricity >>generator was? It powering of all things sleepy little Moorpark. >> >>I'll say this, Tigers and some rocket motors have one thing in common - >>suspect fuel tanks. :-) >> >>Tom >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as drmayf@mayfco.com > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 10 20:54:36 2010 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:54:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Don Adams Tiger I was working dong some car shot stuff at the TMPCC car show this last Saturday at the CBS Radford lot and did check out the 'Tiger'. Well it is not the original car, as were most of the 'movie replicas' that showed. It was a really nicely done Alpine with a V6 Capri swap from the guy in San Diego that does them. It did have the functional turret that poped a gun up and some other Get Smart bits. Was a fun car for sure. The lady (I can't remember her name) was nice and fun and never tried to pass the car off as a Tiger. Big Don Adam's signature on the visor, she was a huge Get Smart fan and that is what prompted her to do the car ;) I'll post the link when the video goes up. Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 10 22:34:18 2010 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:33:33 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What did you do in the War, daddy? FYI google maps (satellite) has a decent view of the Rocketdyne area. Call up google maps and cut/paste this number into the search 34.237493,-118.679981 I'm only about 10 miles away. I'm guessing Ed Foster's Tiger is closest to the radiation (maybe that is why he has those louvers on his hood). :-) . I'd love to walk around the area (if I even could), but if I came home and left glowing footprints on the carpet the wife would have a fit! Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 11 08:34:00 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:28:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 If you do get oil lines made at a hydraulic shop, make sure they understand that this is for a continuous-flow oiling system, not for a hydraulic application. Hydraulic hose and fittings have smaller IDs than oil hose, for the same hose OD and fitting thread sizes, and you'll get much greater pressure loss in the lines. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BEAU2EVE@aol.com > Sent: January 9, 2010 2:03 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 > > I put a remote oil filter under my left front fender, I used > heater grommets to protect the line as it went through the > inner fender. I used a high pressure line to reroute the oil > lines there. Your local hydraulic shop should have that. > Since I have headers , I could not use the PH-8 filter either. > > > > Beau B9470951 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as theo.smit@dynastream.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 11 09:04:01 2010 From: Dave Munroe To: "Smit, Theo" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:57:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 Theo; This is a concept I have not considered: are you saying that smaller internal diameter oil filter lines will cause a drop in oil pressure to the filter? or to the engine oiling system which could be seen on the oil pressure gauge? I have a set of "industrial" oil line hoses on my filter set-up, and am not happy with my oil pressure as seen on my dash mounted gauge. I haven't checked the internal dia. of the hoses so I don't know if they are indeed smaller than they need to be, but it would be interesting if they are a factor in my overall oil pressure. Thanks for this bit of info. Dave If you do get oil lines made at a hydraulic shop, make sure they understand that this is for a continuous-flow oiling system, not for a hydraulic application. Hydraulic hose and fittings have smaller IDs than oil hose, for the same hose OD and fitting thread sizes, and you'll get much greater pressure loss in the lines. Cheers, Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 11 09:11:34 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Dave Munroe" , Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:10:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 A guy I know had a set of lines made at a hydraulic shop for his race 4A-G. It wasn't quite Atlantic spec but still on the order of 220 hp and 8500+ RPM. He had issues with bearings until he showed us the oil lines - the IDs of the adapters were maybe 5/16" and while the hose OD was similar to what you'd see on -10 Earl's line, the ID was no more than 3/8". On the Ford small block, the pressure relief is built into the oil pump so if there is any downstream obstruction, it will dump extra oil overboard and the downstream pressure is reduced. However, I don't know offhand whether the gallery that the gauge gets its feed from is after the filter, or before. I have never seem over about 55 psi on my gauge, on either engine I've had in the car. I have the filter in the left fender with a pair of -10 hoses, two 90 degree hose ends, and two straight ends. The block adapter is a ultra-low-profile homebuilt device, but internally it's got similar passage sizes to the Canton adapter and the one sold by Dale. For the kinds of RPM I can run, 55 psi is more than enough, but if I was going to build a high RPM engine I will be looking into that a little bit. I'd start with putting the oil pressure gauge on my air compressor line to see if it was OK, though. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Munroe [mailto:dave@munroe.ca] > Sent: January 11, 2010 8:58 AM > To: Smit, Theo; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 > > Theo; > > This is a concept I have not considered: are you saying that > smaller internal diameter oil filter lines will cause a drop > in oil pressure to the filter? or to the engine oiling system > which could be seen on the oil pressure gauge? > > I have a set of "industrial" oil line hoses on my filter > set-up, and am not happy with my oil pressure as seen on my > dash mounted gauge. I haven't checked the internal dia. of > the hoses so I don't know if they are indeed smaller than > they need to be, but it would be interesting if they are a > factor in my overall oil pressure. > > Thanks for this bit of info. > > Dave > > > > > If you do get oil lines made at a hydraulic shop, make sure > they understand that this is for a continuous-flow oiling > system, not for a hydraulic application. Hydraulic hose and > fittings have smaller IDs than oil hose, for the same hose > OD and fitting thread sizes, and you'll get much greater > pressure loss in the lines. > > Cheers, > Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 11 09:22:46 2010 From: Owain Lloyd To: "Smit, Theo" Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:22:31 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 for reference, i get a little over 65psi above idle with -8 lines to a wheel arch filter. about 30psi at a very lumpy 600rpm warm idle. that's with a meling m-68hv pump. i imagine using a pump like that hides a multitude of weaknesses though. On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > A guy I know had a set of lines made at a hydraulic shop for his race > 4A-G. It wasn't quite Atlantic spec but still on the order of 220 hp and > 8500+ RPM. He had issues with bearings until he showed us the oil lines > - the IDs of the adapters were maybe 5/16" and while the hose OD was > similar to what you'd see on -10 Earl's line, the ID was no more than > 3/8". > > On the Ford small block, the pressure relief is built into the oil pump > so if there is any downstream obstruction, it will dump extra oil > overboard and the downstream pressure is reduced. However, I don't know > offhand whether the gallery that the gauge gets its feed from is after > the filter, or before. > > I have never seem over about 55 psi on my gauge, on either engine I've > had in the car. I have the filter in the left fender with a pair of -10 > hoses, two 90 degree hose ends, and two straight ends. The block adapter > is a ultra-low-profile homebuilt device, but internally it's got similar > passage sizes to the Canton adapter and the one sold by Dale. For the > kinds of RPM I can run, 55 psi is more than enough, but if I was going > to build a high RPM engine I will be looking into that a little bit. I'd > start with putting the oil pressure gauge on my air compressor line to > see if it was OK, though. > > Cheers, > Theo > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Munroe [mailto:dave@munroe.ca] > > Sent: January 11, 2010 8:58 AM > > To: Smit, Theo; tigers@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 > > > > Theo; > > > > This is a concept I have not considered: are you saying that > > smaller internal diameter oil filter lines will cause a drop > > in oil pressure to the filter? or to the engine oiling system > > which could be seen on the oil pressure gauge? > > > > I have a set of "industrial" oil line hoses on my filter > > set-up, and am not happy with my oil pressure as seen on my > > dash mounted gauge. I haven't checked the internal dia. of > > the hoses so I don't know if they are indeed smaller than > > they need to be, but it would be interesting if they are a > > factor in my overall oil pressure. > > > > Thanks for this bit of info. > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > If you do get oil lines made at a hydraulic shop, make sure > > they understand that this is for a continuous-flow oiling > > system, not for a hydraulic application. Hydraulic hose and > > fittings have smaller IDs than oil hose, for the same hose > > OD and fitting thread sizes, and you'll get much greater > > pressure loss in the lines. > > > > Cheers, > > Theo > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 11 09:50:44 2010 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: Sandy Ganz , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:45:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Don Adams Tiger The woman mentioned below is Sue Kesler. She is a huge Get Smart fan. She was instrumental in the organization of the Luncheon with Don Adams several years ago at Van Nuys Airport (Aero 5th Squadron Restaurant) sponsored by CAT, Don Adams' last public appearance. She also has contact with Barbara Feldon, who rarely makes any appearances. The car in question was owned by David Sosna (I know you are reading this!) from San Diego, and I believe it had the V-6 conversion when he got the car. Sue bought it about 8 or 9 years ago, maybe longer, and had it painted red and had a friend in the movie/TV prop business make the machine gun. She did a really good job making it look like a stock Tiger from outward appearances. Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:54 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Don Adams Tiger I was working dong some car shot stuff at the TMPCC car show this last Saturday at the CBS Radford lot and did check out the 'Tiger'. Well it is not the original car, as were most of the 'movie replicas' that showed. It was a really nicely done Alpine with a V6 Capri swap from the guy in San Diego that does them. It did have the functional turret that poped a gun up and some other Get Smart bits. Was a fun car for sure. The lady (I can't remember her name) was nice and fun and never tried to pass the car off as a Tiger. Big Don Adam's signature on the visor, she was a huge Get Smart fan and that is what prompted her to do the car ;) I'll post the link when the video goes up. Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 11 12:34:56 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: TheoSmit , owain.lloyd@gmail.com Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:29:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 I started with the last post instead of the first- my bad. BUT we need to remember that a high reading on the gauge might be misleading as the gauge is reading what is sent to it and because resistance can increase pressure, you might show high pressure being caused by a restriction in the entire system at any given point. I think there are signs of a problem when the cold engine had 50 to 55 psi but at idle drops down below 20 after the engine gets warm. Also a needle bouncing once told me I had dropped a main bearing cap which since I shut the engine down, caused no problems- trying to start it again pushed the rod thru the block(Alpine1725) No phone signal BUT I had tools IF I had just dropped the pan- dirty yes- busted block- NO way. My point is if their is a restriction in the circuit then pressure can be made to go up- like the water hose having a spray nozzle- it builds pressure because the water flows thru a smaller exit- same process- different cost. Even an engine built to turn high RPM only needs a continuous flow of oil thru all oil galleries, bearings etc.Engine builders smooth oil flow passages so the oil can return to the pan faster, remove an edge that slows down oil flow thru a bearing. Use pumps that allow for more pressure while Ford pumps have an automatic pop off system built into the pump BUT does a non Ford oil pump, designed for a Ford engine have this same built in safety actor? I dont think so. I also dont believe a really high number on the gauge is necessarily good BUT a consistent number that stays the same is much better than low pressure at any given time. Just my opinion. TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 11 12:36:23 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: Sandy Ganz , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:36:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Don Adams Tiger >From eveything Ive heard about this Sue Kesler person, she is a super nice person who has been a credit to our cars and clubs. She sets a fine example and a higher bar. Cheers, TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 11 14:37:58 2010 From: David Sosna To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:37:23 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Don Adams Tiger :-) Hey, Jere! Yeah, Smitty did the conversion, I held the wrenches (and wrote the checks--grin). I saw the car at Tigers United in 2005, after she'd Get Smarte'd it--it looked really good! Didn't have the rocket launcher at the time, though. Sue did a really nice job of making the car look snazzy--and it's the V-6 that was the 'sound-'o-the-Tiger in the recent Get Smart movie--go figure! Best Regards David (still lurking about) Teepen, Jere wrote: > The woman mentioned below is Sue Kesler. She is a huge Get Smart fan. She > was instrumental in the organization of the Luncheon with Don Adams several > years ago at Van Nuys Airport (Aero 5th Squadron Restaurant) sponsored by CAT, > Don Adams' last public appearance. She also has contact with Barbara Feldon, > who rarely makes any appearances. > > The car in question was owned by David Sosna (I know you are reading this!) > from San Diego, and I believe it had the V-6 conversion when he got the car. > Sue bought it about 8 or 9 years ago, maybe longer, and had it painted red and > had a friend in the movie/TV prop business make the machine gun. She did a > really good job making it look like a stock Tiger from outward appearances. > > Jere _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 11 15:37:13 2010 From: Sandy Ganz To: Tony Somebody , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:36:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Don Adams Tiger Yes that was my impression, super nice and friendly as well. Very nice car too. Sandy ________________________________ From: Tony Somebody To: Sandy Ganz ; "tigers@autox.team.net" ; JereTeepen Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 11:36:06 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Don Adams Tiger >From eveything Ive heard about this Sue Kesler person, she is a super nice person who has been a credit to our cars and clubs. She sets a fine example and a higher bar. Cheers, TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 11 19:37:10 2010 From: To: rande@thecia.net Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 2:36:55 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiation Contamination from Rocketdyne) Rande, I believe the property is just over the border of L.A./Ventura counties. I live 4 miles (bird distance) from the site center in West Hills, L.A. County, and my son Jay is in Oak Park (Ventura County) 5.75 miles away. Of course, at the time this happened I was employed by TRW Systems near the LAX airport, and about 40 miles south, and Jay wasn't even a gleam in my new wife's eye. Driving a new 356S Porsche, which became a new 911S soon thereafter. However, I was on the site testing powerful liquid hydrogen/oxygen fuel. These liquid propellants combined after burning to become the noxious H2O (water). BUT they were NOISY! "Racket" - yes, contamination - no. Now, tell us about our Tiger's products of noise and polution ---- rande wrote: > So Steve, it was YOU who was responsible for all that racket I had to put up > with when I was living in Canoga Park during the '50s and '60s! > > Roland > > > Canoga Park? I felt it/heard it from Granada Hills in the '60s. For those who > didn't experience this, it was the vibrational equivalent of the Great and All > Powerful Wizard going, 'TESTING, TESTING' several times a year > > I hope this doesn't cancel my welcome to TigersUnited central command on future > Valley visits, Steve. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as slaifman@socal.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 12 05:05:27 2010 From: "Marianne & Darrel Misso" To: Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:58:29 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Patriot heads on a Tiger Hi Guys. Has anyone used Patriot Cylinder Heads (P/N 1102) on a Tiger? I am interested in knowing any potentioal clearence issues with the firewall. I am also considering using these with PRO-66911 roller rockers from Summit and a pair of repro LAT Tiger valve covers from Sunbeam Specialities. Any experience or advice would be helpful. -- Regards Darrel Misso _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 12 05:20:11 2010 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: , Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:14:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Patriot heads on a Tiger On a 260? Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations NetJets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ----- Original Message ----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Tue Jan 12 06:58:29 2010 Subject: [Tigers] Patriot heads on a Tiger Hi Guys. Has anyone used Patriot Cylinder Heads (P/N 1102) on a Tiger? I am interested in knowing any potentioal clearence issues with the firewall. I am also considering using these with PRO-66911 roller rockers from Summit and a pair of repro LAT Tiger valve covers from Sunbeam Specialities. Any experience or advice would be helpful. -- Regards Darrel Misso _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as shutchin@netjets.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 12 06:37:25 2010 From: Larry Paulick To: Marianne & Darrel Misso Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:33:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Patriot heads on a Tiger I am using Ford true roller rockers, purchased from Summit. Work great, quality made, good price, and they fit the LAT valve covers, after you take the baffle out. Larry Marianne & Darrel Misso wrote: >Hi Guys. Has anyone used Patriot Cylinder Heads (P/N 1102) on a Tiger? >I am interested in knowing any potentioal clearence issues with the firewall. > >I am also considering using these with PRO-66911 roller rockers from Summit >and a pair of repro LAT Tiger valve covers from Sunbeam Specialities. > > >Any experience or advice would be helpful. > > >-- >Regards > >Darrel Misso >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 12 08:05:50 2010 From: bmer739956@aol.com To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:00:58 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Please unsubscribe this email address. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 12 10:51:18 2010 From: Gary To: tigers@autox.team.net, Marianne & Darrel Misso Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:46:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Patriot heads on a Tiger I use Proform roller rockers, #66911, with the original chrome valve covers on Edelbrock heads on my Tiger. I have tried ProComp and Crane roller rockers, but they are too tall for the original chrome valve covers. Gary --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Marianne & Darrel Misso wrote: From: Marianne & Darrel Misso Subject: [Tigers] Patriot heads on a Tiger To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 3:58 AM Hi Guys. Has anyone used Patriot Cylinder Heads (P/N 1102) on a Tiger? I am interested in knowing any potentioal clearence issues with the firewall. I am also considering using these with PRO-66911 roller rockers from Summit and a pair of repro LAT Tiger valve covers from Sunbeam Specialities. Any experience or advice would be helpful. -- Regards Darrel Misso You are subscribed as maliburevue@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 12 15:36:23 2010 From: michael king To: Scott Hutchinson Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:33:50 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Patriot heads on a Tiger 2010/1/12 Scott Hutchinson > On a 260? > I believe Darrell is gogint ot be using them on a 5 bolt 289 with a 302 crank. So has anyone run the patriot heads? Or have any good info/comparisons with GT40 or edelbrock heads? -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 12 17:51:57 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: Gary Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:49:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Patriot heads on a Tiger & a valve cover tip I applaude Gary for his post. Its information of this nature that saves others"trial and error", looking for a set of roller rockers that fit under OEM valve covers. To add a tip from me, that everyone might know BUT if it helps just one member its worth my time. When installing new valve cover gaskets, I tie the gasket to the valve cover w/ the knot on the outside, using light string or fishing line. This will hold the gasket in place so you can start a bolt w/ washer(s) of choice.I prefer a stainless lock on top of a stainless flat, just large enough for the OD of the flat to keep the lock from scoring the valve cover- they do come in diferent OD with the ID the correct size for the bolt. Prior to tightening the bolts, clip the string (sharp knife) and pull it out w/ neddle nose pliers. I have also used RTV blue or black to the thick black rubber and reuseable gaskets. I glue the gasket to the valve cover- using bolts to keep the holes centered over the valve cover holes.Prior to installing the valve cover I rub a very light film of grease to the runners on the head. This keeps the gasket stuck & sealed to the valve cover and when torqued the grease helps it to not leak but allows removal from the head later on when or if the lifters need adjusted, the gasket doesnt stick and is easily reused. Remember DO NOT OVER TORQUE the 1/4 inch , (Im guessing,) sized bolts s the OEM valve covers bend easily and the new gaskets require a t more torque to reuse or RTV to both sides, which makes cleam up tougher on the heads- with the valve cover removed From: Gary Subject: Re: [Tigers] Patriot heads on a Tiger To: tigers@autox.team.net, "Marianne & Darrel Misso" Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 11:46 AM I use Proform roller rockers, #66911, with the original chrome valve covers on Edelbrock heads on my Tiger. I have tried ProComp and Crane roller rockers, but they are too tall for the original chrome valve covers Hi Guys. Has anyone used Patriot Cylinder Heads (P/N 1102) on a Tiger? I am interested in knowing any potentioal clearence issues with the firewall. I am also considering using these with PRO-66911 roller rockers from Summit and a pair of repro LAT Tiger valve covers from Sunbeam Specialities. Any experience or advice would be helpful. -- Regards Darrel Misso You are subscribed as maliburevue@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 13 07:14:50 2010 From: PRISCILLA SCHROEDER To: Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:13:53 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Need Strikers and toggle catches Hi Tigers - I'm looking for a good pair of strikers and toggle catches to get my tiger back on the road. Does anyone have any to spare and willing to sell/trade? thanks, ar _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 13 07:36:54 2010 From: "Thomas Prager" To: "tigers_United_forum" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:28:54 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] strikers and toggle catches Try this source in the Netherlands. Request that the package be opened and inspected for good quality chrome. The owner speaks good English should you want to call him and he has been reliable..... http://www.rootesparts.com/id103.htm tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 13 12:12:15 2010 From: "Jerry & Maureen \(Mo\)" To: "'Dave Munroe'" , "'Smit, Theo'" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:10:55 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 Dave,List The normal pickup point for the oil gauge is after the filter (the point just above the filter). So what you are reading on the gauge is actual pressure going to the engine, but what is unknown is the volume of oil going to the engine. Now if one has good bearings and the engine is tight one can assume that there is enough volume of oil going to all of the parts because the pressure is high. However if you have loose (racing) tolerances the pump might not be able to supply enough volume of oil to get the pressure you want. The same thing might happen with a "restriction" in the oil lines prior to, or after, in the case of a remote filter. All oil pumps that I know of have a bypass relief valve. Nothing more than a ball held in place by a spring of enough pressure to relieve pressure at a predetermined pressure. I know of no way of determining just what that pressure is, however when you first start a cold engine it's a safe bet that the highest pressure you are seeing is the pop off pressure. These are positive displacement pumps so the oil has to go someplace. When I buy a new oil pump I'm more interested in a higher volume pump than a higher pressure pump. If I had a "racing" engine the higher pressure would be a better bet. To get a higher pressure you need to change the relief spring, to get higher volume you need a "taller" pump, one where the Gerotor is thicker (that also gives higher pressure). Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Munroe Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:58 AM To: Smit, Theo; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 Theo; This is a concept I have not considered: are you saying that smaller internal diameter oil filter lines will cause a drop in oil pressure to the filter? or to the engine oiling system which could be seen on the oil pressure gauge? I have a set of "industrial" oil line hoses on my filter set-up, and am not happy with my oil pressure as seen on my dash mounted gauge. I haven't checked the internal dia. of the hoses so I don't know if they are indeed smaller than they need to be, but it would be interesting if they are a factor in my overall oil pressure. Thanks for this bit of info. Dave If you do get oil lines made at a hydraulic shop, make sure they understand that this is for a continuous-flow oiling system, not for a hydraulic application. Hydraulic hose and fittings have smaller IDs than oil hose, for the same hose OD and fitting thread sizes, and you'll get much greater pressure loss in the lines. Cheers, Theo You are subscribed as jcmc2006@suddenlink.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 13 13:52:08 2010 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:50:19 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump) Interesting discussion. Wouldn't volume increases be limited to the passage diameters? And then by the amount of leakage at bearings, lifters rockers etc.. Or is it that the leakage points exceed the capacity of the oil passage? Frankly I don't know. It seems if you have any oil pressure at all the oil passages must be full and then only pressure would increase volume. What I'm trying to get at is it seems volume and pressure have to go hand in hand and ultimately aren't independent of each other. But, I guess (excluding the relief valve setting) a higher volume pump would ultimately have more potential pressure capability also. My mental reasoning is starting to seem like the gears in the oil pump. Regardless of rotation they keep meet up at the same point. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 13 16:22:38 2010 From: David T Johnson To: tigers@autox.team.net, Thomas Witt Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:21:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump) Just the other day at the Indy Car Show, they had a vendor selling a product that coats the inside of the engine and you can it run without any oil what so ever. He had a SBC running with the oil pan completely off. He even drove it around. No oil, No problem. His next product is a 299 mpg carburator that Detroit and the oil companies ahve been hiding. Dave - go Colts --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Thomas Witt wrote: From: Thomas Witt Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump) To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 8:50 PM Interesting discussion. Wouldn't volume increases be limited to the passage diameters? And then by the amount of leakage at bearings, lifters rockers etc.. Or is it that the leakage points exceed the capacity of the oil passage? Frankly I don't know. It seems if you have any oil pressure at all the oil passages must be full and then only pressure would increase volume. What I'm trying to get at is it seems volume and pressure have to go hand in hand and ultimately aren't independent of each other. But, I guess (excluding the relief valve setting) a higher volume pump would ultimately have more potential pressure capability also. My mental reasoning is starting to seem like the gears in the oil pump. Regardless of rotation they keep meet up at the same point. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as djoh797014@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 13 16:52:08 2010 From: "Jerry & Maureen \(Mo\)" To: "'Thomas Witt'" , Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:48:29 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump) Well, of course you are absolutely right, if you increase pressure the volume will increase. I guess the bottom line is that you always need to have more pressure and volume than can leak out of all the bearings, lifters, etc. at all RPMs and temperatures. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:50 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump) Interesting discussion. Wouldn't volume increases be limited to the passage diameters? And then by the amount of leakage at bearings, lifters rockers etc.. Or is it that the leakage points exceed the capacity of the oil passage? Frankly I don't know. It seems if you have any oil pressure at all the oil passages must be full and then only pressure would increase volume. What I'm trying to get at is it seems volume and pressure have to go hand in hand and ultimately aren't independent of each other. But, I guess (excluding the relief valve setting) a higher volume pump would ultimately have more potential pressure capability also. My mental reasoning is starting to seem like the gears in the oil pump. Regardless of rotation they keep meet up at the same point. Tom You are subscribed as jcmc2006@suddenlink.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 13 16:52:25 2010 From: coolvt@aol.com To: djoh797014@yahoo.com, tigers@autox.team.net, atwittsend@verizon.net Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:48:23 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump) LOL, ask him to drain the pan of his Mercedes sitting in the parking lot, add some of his magic tonic and drive the car home. Now that would should his confidence in the product. M In a message dated 1/13/2010 6:22:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, djoh797014@yahoo.com writes: Just the other day at the Indy Car Show, they had a vendor selling a product that coats the inside of the engine and you can it run without any oil what so ever. He had a SBC running with the oil pan completely off. He even drove it around. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 13 17:10:26 2010 From: Tony McNulty To: David T Johnson , tigers@autox.team.net, Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:10:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump) and his race results are .... ????? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David T Johnson" To: ; "Thomas Witt" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump) > Just the other day at the Indy Car Show, they had a vendor > selling a product that coats the inside of the engine and you > can it run without any oil what so ever. He had a SBC > running with the oil pan completely off. He even drove it > around. > > No oil, No problem. > > His next product is a 299 mpg carburator that Detroit and the > oil companies ahve been hiding. > > Dave - go Colts > > --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Thomas Witt wrote: > > > From: Thomas Witt > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump) > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 8:50 PM > > > Interesting discussion. Wouldn't volume increases be limited to the > passage > diameters? And then by the amount of leakage at bearings, lifters rockers > etc.. Or is it that the leakage points exceed the capacity of the oil > passage? Frankly I don't know. > > It seems if you have any oil pressure at all the oil passages must be > full > and then only pressure would increase volume. What I'm trying to get at is > it > seems volume and pressure have to go hand in hand and ultimately aren't > independent of each other. But, I guess (excluding the relief valve > setting) > a higher volume pump would ultimately have more potential pressure > capability > also. > > My mental reasoning is starting to seem like the gears in the oil pump. > Regardless of rotation they keep meet up at the same point. > > Tom _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as djoh797014@yahoo.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bamcnulty@optonline.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 13 19:43:43 2010 From: MAURO D'ANGELO To: Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:43:13 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Help with installing 3.07:1 rear gears, please! I am getting ready to install a posi with a 3.07 gear in my Mark 1A Tiger. I know this might seem like a dumb question to the experts, but I think all of the new or recent pinions out there now have 26 fine splines and the original 2.88 pinions had 10 coarse splines. So when I install the 3.07 gear and pinion, I already know that I won't be able to connect my driveshaft to the new pinion because the splines won't be able to mate up. I think this can be resolved by changing the companion flange to one that bolts onto the driveshaft the same as the original, but bolts to a pinion with 26 splines. There are two problems with that: First, I have no idea what manufacturer or part number I would need. Second, I don't know who would be able to sell it to me and how much it will cost! Can anyone help me with this information, please? Thanks!!! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 13 21:25:56 2010 From: "Jerry & Maureen \(Mo\)" To: "'MAURO D'ANGELO'" , Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:20:59 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Help with installing 3.07:1 rear gears, please! Mauro, Seems to me if you went to a driveshaft shop they could fix you up with the yoke you need to fit a Dana 44. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:43 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Help with installing 3.07:1 rear gears, please! I am getting ready to install a posi with a 3.07 gear in my Mark 1A Tiger. I know this might seem like a dumb question to the experts, but I think all of the new or recent pinions out there now have 26 fine splines and the original 2.88 pinions had 10 coarse splines. So when I install the 3.07 gear and pinion, I already know that I won't be able to connect my driveshaft to the new pinion because the splines won't be able to mate up. I think this can be resolved by changing the companion flange to one that bolts onto the driveshaft the same as the original, but bolts to a pinion with 26 splines. There are two problems with that: First, I have no idea what manufacturer or part number I would need. Second, I don't know who would be able to sell it to me and how much it will cost! Can anyone help me with this information, please? Thanks!!! You are subscribed as jcmc2006@suddenlink.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 13 21:55:05 2010 From: Cliff Alexander To: "Jerry & Maureen (Mo)" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:51:09 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Help with installing 3.07:1 rear gears, please! Mauro-- Contact Tom Hall at modtiger@comcast.net, he recently sold me one for the exact same reason you want one. Cliff On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Jerry & Maureen (Mo) < JCMC2006@suddenlink.net> wrote: > Mauro, > > Seems to me if you went to a driveshaft shop they could fix you up with the > yoke you need to fit a Dana 44. > > Jerry Christopherson > 9473187 > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:43 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Help with installing 3.07:1 rear gears, please! > > I am getting ready to install a posi with a 3.07 gear in my Mark 1A Tiger. > I know this might seem like a dumb question to the experts, but I think all > of the new or recent pinions out there now have 26 fine splines and the > original 2.88 pinions had 10 coarse splines. So when I install the 3.07 > gear and pinion, I already know that I won't be able to connect my > driveshaft to the new pinion because the splines won't be able to mate up. > > I think this can be resolved by changing the companion flange to one that > bolts onto the driveshaft the same as the original, but bolts to a pinion > with 26 splines. There are two problems with that: First, I have no idea > what manufacturer or part number I would need. Second, I don't know who > would be able to sell it to me and how much it will cost! Can anyone help > me with this information, please? Thanks!!! > You are subscribed as jcmc2006@suddenlink.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mk1a67@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 14 05:55:56 2010 From: Howard gentry To: "Jerry & Maureen \(Mo\)" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:44:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump) Hi, This is, indeed , a very interesting thread..When I was racing in the SCCA club races in the mid 60's, we had to really watch the pressure and volume going to the rod and main berings..The 1622ccMG series A engine in our Elva Courrier had problems with too much pressure..We experienced situations where the pressure would actually scour the bering material out of the bering shells..actually scoop out the babbit material or at least peel the outter layer of it off. We found tha careful radius work around the oil entry holes to the berings, along with the correct volume and pressure of oil, when at operating temps, would allow us to lubricate the engine without ripping the bering shells apart..Has anyone run into this problem? zym The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Jerry & Maureen (Mo) wrote: From: Jerry & Maureen (Mo) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump) To: "'Thomas Witt'" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 6:48 PM Well, of course you are absolutely right, if you increase pressure the volume will increase. I guess the bottom line is that you always need to have more pressure and volume than can leak out of all the bearings, lifters, etc. at all RPMs and temperatures. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:50 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump) Interesting discussion. Wouldn't volume increases be limited to the passage diameters? And then by the amount of leakage at bearings, lifters rockers etc.. Or is it that the leakage points exceed the capacity of the oil passage? Frankly I don't know. It seems if you have any oil pressure at all the oil passages must be full and then only pressure would increase volume. What I'm trying to get at is it seems volume and pressure have to go hand in hand and ultimately aren't independent of each other. But, I guess (excluding the relief valve setting) a higher volume pump would ultimately have more potential pressure capability also. My mental reasoning is starting to seem like the gears in the oil pump. Regardless of rotation they keep meet up at the same point. Tom You are subscribed as jcmc2006@suddenlink.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as zymmer4@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 14 07:01:09 2010 From: carmods@aol.com To: JCMC2006@suddenlink.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:00:33 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil Pumps Jerry Christopherson Congratulations. Your description of oil pumps and oil pressure is distinct, accurate and complete. John Logan _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 14 08:27:47 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Howard gentry" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:27:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump) I've never heard of that... Sounds like a major manufacturing defect on the bearings to me, unless it did somehow have to do with the engine assembly procedure. My understanding is that the oil flowing between the bearing shell and the rotating assembly forms a wedge of lubricant and prevents metal to metal contact. If the bearing clearances are too tight, then your oil pressure will be high but there won't be enough flow to maintain the wedge at higher RPMs and you'll wipe the babbitt material off the shell (and then the copper... Etc.). Higher RPM operation and higher load operation requires a thicker oil film and therefore more crank to bearing clearance, which in turn requires more oil pump output volume at any given pressure. Maybe the oil was being preferentially directed away from the main pressure point (relative to crank rotation) on your engine and therefore you needed (a) to radius the oil passages and (b) loosen the bearing to crank clearances to increase the flow to the parts of the crank that needed it most. I seized the engine in my Pinto (when I was 17) due to the pickup tube becoming detached from the oil pump, which destroyed the bearings and required the crank to be turned 10 or 20 under to clean up. When I was racing Toyotas, we used stock Clevite bearings on a stock polished crank, and never had a bearing issue even with more than double the stock output and sustained 7000+ RPM operation. With the smallblock Ford, I think a critical thing related to the oil pump operation, especially with high pressure/high output pumps is the oil pump driveshaft and the distributor gear. Those parts have to transfer the several horsepower required to run the oil pump and any additional load you put on the oil pump means that the shaft and gear get extra wear and tear. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Howard gentry > Sent: January 14, 2010 5:45 AM > To: Jerry & Maureen (Mo) > Cc: tiger list > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump) > > Hi, > This is, indeed , a very interesting thread..When I was > racing in the SCCA club races in the mid 60's, we had to > really watch the pressure and volume going to the rod and > main berings..The 1622ccMG series A engine in our Elva > Courrier had problems with too much pressure..We experienced > situations where the pressure would actually scour the bering > material out of the bering shells..actually scoop out the > babbit material or at least peel the outter layer of it off. > We found tha careful radius work around the oil entry holes > to the berings, along with the correct volume and pressure of > oil, when at operating temps, would allow us to lubricate the > engine without ripping the bering shells apart..Has anyone > run into this problem? > zym > > The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 14 11:58:57 2010 From: Sandy Ganz To: "Smit, Theo" , Howard gentry Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:58:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump) Late as always to the oil pump talk - For the SB Ford the weak point in the system is the hex drive. I can tell you first hand that when they twist off you can only run 20-30 seconds full throttle before the engine will seize up ;). Also any one that I have talked to about SBF pumps for racing engines seem to sway towards high volume not the high pressure pumps and never use a stock pump drive shaft in HP applications (Get an ARP or other high grade one). I brought this up before but the lines on the tiger oil systems are not something I would use on any performance motor that is used hard. I would say -10's would be minimum as I think the tigers stock is -8 and not high flow hose or fittings for that matter. I try to run -12 line for oil stuff works great except if the oil pump shaft fails... Lots of 2 cents -) Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 14 12:42:37 2010 From: "Jerry & Maureen \(Mo\)" To: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:40:09 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Oil pump shafts List, Someone talked about another important aspect of this oil pump saga, and that is the pump shaft. Most of you know that have preoiled a fresh engine it takes a lot of energy to turn the pump shaft (counterclockwise of course). I've see 3/8 inch drills start to smoke while doing it. (1/2 inch drills are better). I've also seen pictures of the original shafts twisted up like a red licorice candy stick, and some that were snapped in half. I prefer to use Motorsport shaft # M-6605-B302 it has a lot more strength to it. About $15.00 or so. I just like the fact that it is stronger. It always amazes me when people start up a cold engine and rev it up to several thousand RPM how that little skinny shaft doesn't snap. When I used to fly the "big round engines" like the R2800 (18 cly,2800CI) When we first fired up the oil pressure would peg at 200 PSI we would have to wait quite a while before the pressure would come down enough to increase the RPM above idle. If I remember there was a 30 gal tank of oil in the nacelle, took a while to get it warm. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 14 13:41:55 2010 From: Paul R Sheahan To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:38:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Seattle Help - Non Tiger Related Listers, This is a request for some help. I have located a car that I have been looking for in the Seattle area. Is there anyone in the Seattle area that would be willing to take a look at it for me. It is a '99 Mercedes S420. I used to own one and miss the big heavy German iron. Thanks for any help. Paul Paul R Sheahan _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 14 16:13:51 2010 From: rollright@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:13:19 EST Subject: [Tigers] Horns Hello, Anybody know the current drain of a properly functioning Clear Hooter horn ? It may be different for Hi and Low. Best, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 14 16:27:04 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:19:47 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Horns The spec is in the repair manual, I think it's 3.5 amps or something like that. The horns are LOUD when you get the current there... Apologies to my neighbors for last March ;) Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rollright@aol.com > Sent: January 14, 2010 4:13 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Horns > > Hello, > > Anybody know the current drain of a properly functioning > Clear Hooter horn ? > It may be different for Hi and Low. > > Best, > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as theo.smit@dynastream.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 14 16:42:53 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:37:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Horns The manual http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmN27.asp Actually says "not more than 5 amps". As I recall, I found a different online resource that had the 3.5 amp number but I can't find it right now. The current spec for the two horns is the same as far as I know. Driving them from a relay makes all the difference in the world when they're in the car... Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 14 17:57:36 2010 From: "Scattt" To: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:50:59 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Clessie at Daytona Beach in 1930 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Early Sunbeam at the beach! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type video/x-ms-wmv which had a name of 1930DaytonaBeachSpeed040109.wmv] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 14 19:57:55 2010 From: Sandy Ganz To: "Jerry & Maureen \(Mo\)" , TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:47:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil pump shafts Use at least the motorsports part or the ARP version. The one that I twisted up was a ford motorsports version but honestly it was time for the motor to blow and likely the cold day and big oil cooler and operator not letting oil get hot before the run is what may have overloaded the shaft. I'm guessing a limitied amount of oil can be bypassed by the regulator and with cold engine, thick oil, and a couple of 8K overrevs was a bad combination. "Live, learn and spend" was the motto on that ;) This BTW is on the race car not a stock motor. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Jerry & Maureen (Mo) To: TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 11:40:09 AM Subject: [Tigers] Oil pump shafts List, Someone talked about another important aspect of this oil pump saga, and that is the pump shaft. Most of you know that have preoiled a fresh engine it takes a lot of energy to turn the pump shaft (counterclockwise of course). I've see 3/8 inch drills start to smoke while doing it. (1/2 inch drills are better). I've also seen pictures of the original shafts twisted up like a red licorice candy stick, and some that were snapped in half. I prefer to use Motorsport shaft # M-6605-B302 it has a lot more strength to it. About $15.00 or so. I just like the fact that it is stronger. It always amazes me when people start up a cold engine and rev it up to several thousand RPM how that little skinny shaft doesn't snap. When I used to fly the "big round engines" like the R2800 (18 cly,2800CI) When we first fired up the oil pressure would peg at 200 PSI we would have to wait quite a while before the pressure would come down enough to increase the RPM above idle. If I remember there was a 30 gal tank of oil in the nacelle, took a while to get it warm. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 You are subscribed as sganz@pacbell.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 15 13:41:38 2010 From: Jeff Eakin To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:50:00 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Horns While putting in some horn hole blocking plates in my MK-II I noticed my High horn wasn't working. Then later while I was looking through my old Tiger parts and came across a set of horns that I took off that car a few years ago when restoring it. I remember taking them off because they were not the metal clear hooters that I was familiar with. These ones are made of plastic but look very similar to the early clear hooters. They have no adjusting screw and the mounting brackets are exactly the same as the early horns. They are branded HELLA. Someone just told me that the later Tigers (MK-II's included) used a different kind of horn. During the restoration I replaced the HELLA plastic ones with a set of original clear hooters that I found. Now I'm starting to wander if I took off the correct horns. Anybody know? Not that It's all that important but did the High horn go on the drivers side and the Low horn on the passenger side? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 17 15:19:23 2010 From: "spook01" To: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:15:12 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] valve covers.... someone wrote that they had found new stock valve covers, good quality, for a good price. what was the site mentioned? Best, Ray _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 17 15:36:33 2010 From: Gary To: tigers@autox.team.net, spook01 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:36:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] valve covers.... C5ZZ-6A582-C/D Most everyone sells them for $69.95, but Laurel Mountain Mustang has them for $59.95 Gary --- On Sun, 1/17/10, spook01 wrote: From: spook01 Subject: [Tigers] valve covers.... To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 2:15 PM someone wrote that they had found new stock valve covers, good quality, for a good price. what was the site mentioned? Best, Ray You are subscribed as maliburevue@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 17 15:47:44 2010 From: michael king To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:44:41 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Tired Tiger Not sure if this is that tiger at gullwing garrages in NY.. seems t have a Sun tach too. http://www.flickr.com/photos/34107011@N08/4277129082/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/34107011@N08/4276383809/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/pappyb77/4274403619/ *http://www.flickr.com/photos/34107011@N08/4277129032/* -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 17 16:03:57 2010 From: "Scattt" To: "spook01" , Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:54:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] valve covers.... National Parts Depot #6582-20 for $79.95 ----- Original Message ----- > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 17 18:22:10 2010 From: "spook01" To: "Gary" , Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:09:50 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] valve covers.... thanks guys! Best, Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary To: tigers@autox.team.net ; spook01 Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] valve covers.... C5ZZ-6A582-C/D Most everyone sells them for $69.95, but Laurel Mountain Mustang has them for $59.95 Gary --- On Sun, 1/17/10, spook01 wrote: From: spook01 Subject: [Tigers] valve covers.... To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 2:15 PM someone wrote that they had found new stock valve covers, good quality, for a good price. what was the site mentioned? Best, Ray _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as maliburevue@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 18 08:38:02 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "michael king" , "Tiger Talk List Tiger" Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:36:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tired Tiger The tags on flickr (for the 3rd link) say "Upstate South Carolina" and "Spartanburg County". autoTrader.nl (the caption on the first and second link) would point to the Netherlands, but the license plate isn't Dutch. Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 18 11:07:27 2010 From: drmayf To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:53:36 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop.... Some of my local associates are from Alaska. One has a MKII up there that he is putting back together. At the Geezer Technology Conference this morning, he indicated that he was in need of a hard top. So until he gets signed up for the list, I am asking the group if ther eis one or many of you who have a hard top for sale to contact me and I will pass this along to another associate where he is parked for a few days. He wants something in reasonable conditon but it need not be a restored top, just in pretty good shape. If you will PM me with a pix or two and your asking price I will be as happy as a pig in , well, you know.... mayf _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 18 15:54:48 2010 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:50:13 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] rat tiger reg plate The plate looks very much like the Maryland one. Anyone like Tom Calvert care to chime in and tell us from about what year they think it's from? RB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 18 16:52:51 2010 From: "Joe Parlanti" To: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:30:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] rat tiger reg plate That is definitely a Maryland plate. I wonder if the car is still insured... The government here is very strict about turning in plates for cars that have been sold or are no longer insured. The fines are $150 for the first 30 days and $7 / day thereafter. BTW, Maryland allows the use of original plates for the year of the car. I found a nice set of '66 plates for mine. It's only a $20 fee, and you basically carry both the historic and original year registration cards with you. Joe Parlanti B382000026 (Well insured in Md.) Joseph V. Parlanti 16048 Copen Meadow Dr North Potomac, Md. 20878 Cell - 301-461-0626 Email - Parlanti@comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rande Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 5:50 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] rat tiger reg plate The plate looks very much like the Maryland one. Anyone like Tom Calvert care to chime in and tell us from about what year they think it's from? RB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 19 16:38:42 2010 From: v8cat To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:32:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] 427 Tiger Nice article on a 427 Tiger in this months Hot Rod magazine. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 19 20:58:16 2010 From: coolvt@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:37:23 EST Subject: [Tigers] Valet parking - non Tiger This will want to make you leave your car! _http://autos.aol.com/article/hotel-valets-destroy-cars_ (http://autos.aol.com/article/hotel-valets-destroy-cars) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 19 21:45:08 2010 From: mwood24020@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:20:09 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon auction _http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.ht ml_ (http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.html) The all original (well, mostly) Carnival Red survivor that once called the Guerra "Garage Mahal" home is going across the block on Saturday, I see. Any guesses on final bid? I'm not sure, but given some of the recent auction results (general, not Tiger specific), I'm guessing it doesn't get to reserve...so, maybe bidding stalls just north of $50k? We'll find out on Saturday... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 19 22:45:10 2010 From: mwood24020@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:18:27 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon auction Just read what I sent...and wanted to clarify one thing, before anyone thinks I'm taking an unfair shot at what is a wonderful Tiger. My "mostly" original comment wasn't implying anything other than the fact that it is impossible to have a 44 year old car, that has been driven and used, entirely "original"... As far as price, while I think the car is one of the better Tigers I've seen (if you like the "survivor" type of car), the current atmosphere for auctions doesn't seem to support new record type prices, which I believe the reserve might be close to...total guess, no real knowledge. It will be interesting, in any case. Mike In a message dated 1/19/2010 8:45:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mwood24020@aol.com writes: _http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.ht ml_ (http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.ht ml) The all original (well, mostly) Carnival Red survivor that once called the Guerra "Garage Mahal" home is going across the block on Saturday, I see. Any guesses on final bid? I'm not sure, but given some of the recent auction results (general, not Tiger specific), I'm guessing it doesn't get to reserve...so, maybe bidding stalls just north of $50k? We'll find out on Saturday... You are subscribed as mwood24020@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 20 06:57:01 2010 From: coolvt@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:34:07 EST Subject: [Tigers] Another Tiger at auction This is coming at auction at the end of January in Florida. I hope to get to the auction and see the car. Mark L _http://mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0110-88682&entryRow=611_ (http://mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0110-88682&entryRow=611) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 20 11:42:13 2010 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:22:44 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Tiger at auction 360 HP, NOS... and a luggage rack? Well, if the NOS bottle is in the trunk I guess you have to put that needed change of underwear someplace. :-) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 20 12:37:16 2010 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, mwood24020@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:11:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon auction I see nothing link to page that claims vehicle is no longer available ?? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 20 13:43:29 2010 From: rollright@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:25:27 EST Subject: [Tigers] Hard top holder/carrier Hello, Gary Fish and I stripped our hardtops and they are now in fresh paint. I need to ask where (and what do I call it) to find those hard top carriers. I think they were originally made for new T-Bird tops, but whatever. Some listers mentioned them before but I didn't make a note. They store the hardtop vertically to save space. Around $ 100 I seem to remember. Any info much appreciated. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 20 14:12:50 2010 From: "Robin Young" To: , Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:53:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hard top holder/carrier Jim, I bought mine from a Benz dealer that sold them for a 450SL. It fits the Sunbeam top perfectly and has nice quality rollers on it. Robin Young Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 20 14:43:25 2010 From: Gary To: robin02@mindspring.com Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:25:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hard top holder/carrier Here you go. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HARDTOP-Storage-Cart-Mercedes-Benz-SL-113-107- 129_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2eaa71478dQQitemZ200428046221QQptZMotorsQ5fAut omotiveQ5fTools --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Robin Young wrote: From: Robin Young Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hard top holder/carrier To: rollright@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:53 PM Jim, I bought mine from a Benz dealer that sold them for a 450SL. It fits the Sunbeam top perfectly and has nice quality rollers on it. Robin Young Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE You are subscribed as maliburevue@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 20 17:31:43 2010 From: Sabr2th To: Tigers Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:08:51 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Interesting Sunbeam For Sale in Texas Here9s an interesting 1961 Sunbeam: http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/cto/1561526056.html _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 20 18:16:50 2010 From: Steven Laifman To: rollright@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:58:00 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hard top holder/carrier Jim, "Thunderbird Accessories" is a great place for TBird Accessories, including the hardtop cart and the electric top hoist. I bought a lot of stuff fro my 50th Anniversary 2005 Thunderbird, and vouch for their quality, reliability, and customer support. The carrier is on their page It is on sale now for $200, and is of excellent quality, Steve rollright@aol.com wrote: > Hello, > > Gary Fish and I stripped our hardtops and they are now in fresh paint. > > I need to ask where (and what do I call it) to find those hard top > carriers. I think they were originally made for new T-Bird tops, but whatever. > > Some listers mentioned them before but I didn't make a note. They store the > hardtop vertically to save space. > Around $ 100 I seem to remember. > > Any info much appreciated. > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 20 23:40:45 2010 From: "Ronak, TP (Timothy)" To: "Tiger News Group List" Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:16:45 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Orange County Race Craft Listers, Been away for a while. I may be gone but I have not forgotten all of you. Last weekend My Son Josh and I went out and tore up the Old El Toro Air base asphalt with his 331 powered Mustang convertible. We also had his buddy there with his 2003 AMG CLK 55 and his Dad with his Mini Cooper S Convert. We got to do the slalom course and emergency braking class and a seminar teaching the boys the proper way to experience their cars. Then they went out on the 2.2 miles road course .... TOTAL BLAST !!!!! And GET THIS ...... FRRRRRRREEEE !!!!!! They did it for the community due to some tragic accidents that have occurred locally due to driver skill. It turned into a promo to 'hook' newbies to their track and MAN did it work. http://www.ocracecraft.com/ Here is the link ... there was one 65 Mustang and One Cobra as well along with an assortment of other cool cars ... John Cooper Mini, 430 Ferrari, Corvettes, BMW 7 series, v-12 AMG Mercedes ... etc ... you get the idea ... TOTALLY BUMMED NO TIGERS !!! So guys go check out this web site rumor has it there may be another 'free' day weekend March 4 or 5 ... AWESOME! Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc. 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 PH: 949-305-5393 Cell: 949-289-3357 FX: 425-955-6268 Email: timothy.ronak@crna.akzonobel.com Personal Email: timronak@cox.net If you received this message in error please inform the sender and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 21 05:11:34 2010 From: "rande" To: Timothy.Ronak@akzonobel.com Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 06:48:53 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] kids, tracks, old air strips Tim, Great to learn about the El Toro strip being used to teach young drivers about driving and how cars respond at high speed. They need it, and frankly, we could use drivers ed tuneups ourselves sometimes. We have two regular courses for young drivers here in the Boston area, they're good schools, but there's a fee for them. Fort Devens, about 30 miles outside the city, is being used separately by Mustang, BMW, and Porsche clubs for autocrosses and slaloms. Great use for old airstrips. Maybe Tiger clubs, if they had a little extra cash, could team with other clubs to sponsor defensive high speed courses for local high schools. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 21 10:13:30 2010 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:49:01 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] hardtop rack Check eBay for 'hard top storage cart' buy it now $99 plus $31 shipping I check Ford dealer for TBird 2003 rack: $693 Thunderbird Concept rack looks identical RB _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 21 13:03:19 2010 From: Cullen McCann To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:47:44 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] tigers for sale - Richmond Hello friends, I found a couple of tigers for sale on craigslist near Richmond VA, here is how the ad reads: 2 SunBeam Tigers - $9500 (Richmond,VA) ________________________________ Date: 2010-01-19, 8:27PM EST Reply to: sale-qtjxb-1561051424@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?] ________________________________ 1967 & 1965 Both need total Resto Call for info 804-350-4464 * Location: Richmond,VA and here is the link to the ad: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/1561051424.html I called and talked to the guy (didn't really catch his name, maybe he is on the list) he says the 65 has substantial rust in the floors and at least one headlight area, and the 67 has little to no rust but was front ended and has had a new "front clip" put on it. he said that the 67 was NOT a mkII. both cars have complete drive trains, both 260 cars, one has a hardtop. the 65 is red and the 67 is supposed to be blue, from what I understand. that's about all I caught..wanted to forward the info to the list in case anyone is interested. Cullen 1452 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 21 21:33:10 2010 From: "Russ and Tammy C." To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:17:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] convertible tops (tan) Anyone have pictures of a red (carnival) with a tan soft top? Thanks, Russ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 22 12:06:02 2010 From: Paul R Sheahan To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:45:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Help in Seattle Listers, I am still looking for someone, with car knowledge, to look at a vehicle for me in the Seattle area. If there is anyone in the area that can help, please let me know. Thanks, Paul Paul R Sheahan _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 22 12:51:56 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:31:38 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Hot starting FYI I have been doing an Original Tiger engine study from the Ford casting # and casting date point of view. I came across a notation about Hot starting and the use of restrictor fuel bowl vents to reduce fuel vapor in the air cleaner. The bowl vents are the 2 vertical tubes near the choke plate and restrictor vents have a smaller hole on top than the diameter of the tube. There is a Ford TSB covering this; 8/19/63 Ford TSB, Section 1750, Article #27. Ford incorporated restrictor fuel bowl vent on Dec14,1962; this would indicate that all 2bbl carburetors on Tiger engines have these restrictor vents. I have also looked at some period pictures of Tiger engines and they appear to have restrictor vent but I can't say for sure all Tiger engines had them. I have had some hot start problems at times with the non stock C7, 2bbl carburetor on my Tiger so I will have to investigate this more on my engine. This should also be looked at with any 4bbl carb if you have a hot start problem. It would be interesting to note if all those with the original 2bbl have these restrictor vents. As always if anyone needs help deciphering casting #'s and date codes; I will be glad to assist. If you are interested in participating in my engine study; contact me on this List or off line. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 22 15:36:00 2010 From: fhsloth13@aol.com To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:11:01 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hot starting FYI Ron- Would this only apply to only Ford carbs or would any carb have this same malady? I have an Edelbrock 4-bbl on my stock 260 and sometimes have a hot start problem. It seems like vapor lock but I'm not sure. I would be very interested in your findings. Please send them to me at: _whizzzbang13@aol.com_ (mailto:whizzzbang13@aol.com) Fred Baum In a message dated 1/22/2010 2:51:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rfraser@bluefrog.com writes: I have been doing an Original Tiger engine study from the Ford casting # and casting date point of view. I came across a notation about Hot starting and the use of restrictor fuel bowl vents to reduce fuel vapor in the air cleaner. The bowl vents are the 2 vertical tubes near the choke plate and restrictor vents have a smaller hole on top than the diameter of the tube. There is a Ford TSB covering this; 8/19/63 Ford TSB, Section 1750, Article #27. Ford incorporated restrictor fuel bowl vent on Dec14,1962; this would indicate that all 2bbl carburetors on Tiger engines have these restrictor vents. I have also looked at some period pictures of Tiger engines and they appear to have restrictor vent but I can't say for sure all Tiger engines had them. I have had some hot start problems at times with the non stock C7, 2bbl carburetor on my Tiger so I will have to investigate this more on my engine. This should also be looked at with any 4bbl carb if you have a hot start problem. It would be interesting to note if all those with the original 2bbl have these restrictor vents. As always if anyone needs help deciphering casting #'s and date codes; I will be glad to assist. If you are interested in participating in my engine study; contact me on this List or off line. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 22 22:14:58 2010 From: mwood24020@aol.com To: sralsten@ca.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:59:18 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon auction Hmmm...link works for me (?) _http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.ht ml_ (http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.html) I'm hoping the Tiger wasn't one of the cars damaged when the Russo & Steele tents blew over yesterday. _http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/22/strong-winds-cause-russo-and-steele-auct ion-tents-to-collapse/_ (http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/22/strong-winds-cause-russo-and-steele-auction-tents-to-collapse/) In a message dated 1/20/2010 11:11:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sralsten@ca.rr.com writes: I see nothing link to page that claims vehicle is no longer available ?? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 23 02:44:35 2010 From: "George Leibert" To: "Tiger List" Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 04:34:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hot starting FYI I bought a new '69 Ply Roadrunner in 1969. Would pass almost everything except a gas station. There the fun would begin! The car wouldn't start until it cooled down some. Was flooded! Secondary heating of the carb would boil it over and with the amount of gas it held would flood it bad! I was on a trip to California from MD with the family and had stopped in Denver to visit relatives. I purchased a Delta Mark 10 CD Ignition system in a kit, assembled it in the motel room & installed it. Never a hard hot start again! That Delta would fire a spark under water I think. George -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fhsloth13@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 5:11 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hot starting FYI Ron- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 23 07:14:55 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , "'Tiger List'" Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:06:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hot starting FYI George So your Roadrunner passed a lot of gas and fumes. :) Ignition can be a cause of hot start problems and I've been there too with some cars. Nothing like cranking and cranking an engine with nothing firing then releasing the key and the engine fires. Simply means there is not enough energy to run all the systems. The cause could be a low battery, bad connections or a host of other electrical problems. There are numerous causes for Hot Start Problems; the carb can be 1, electrical problems can be another, high altitude can give you a starting problem all the time. We just need to be aware of these causes and understanding how they apply to our individual situations. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Leibert Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:35 AM To: Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hot starting FYI I bought a new '69 Ply Roadrunner in 1969. Would pass almost everything except a gas station. There the fun would begin! The car wouldn't start until it cooled down some. Was flooded! Secondary heating of the carb would boil it over and with the amount of gas it held would flood it bad! I was on a trip to California from MD with the family and had stopped in Denver to visit relatives. I purchased a Delta Mark 10 CD Ignition system in a kit, assembled it in the motel room & installed it. Never a hard hot start again! That Delta would fire a spark under water I think. George _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 23 10:31:17 2010 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:10:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon auction Wow, what a disaster!! I think I see the Tiger in these photos, number 11-14 in the front row with a red El Camino in front in the aisle... I could be wrong.. It looks like a major tent pole landed along side but it is ok. Hopefully this link works: http://www.abc15.com/Photo.aspx?content_id=f1dcdb2f-f377-4fe1-b395-f8bd1a10bc1e&i=11 Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: mwood24020@aol.com To: sralsten@ca.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 04:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon auction Hmmm...link works for me (?) _http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.ht ml_ (http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.html) I'm hoping the Tiger wasn't one of the cars damaged when the Russo & Steele tents blew over yesterday. _http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/22/strong-winds-cause-russo-and-steele-auct ion-tents-to-collapse/_ (http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/22/strong-winds-cause-russo-and-steele-auction-tents-to-collapse/) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 23 13:30:46 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, garywinblad@comcast.net Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:03:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon auction Does anyone know if the auction is being carried live or recorded to be shown at a later time. I cant find it on or in my Comcast TV guide(they suck to be honest but make up for it by being expensive) which is a suprise. I would enjoy seeing the Tiger plus the prices everything else is bringing. TtT --- On Sat, 1/23/10, garywinblad@comcast.net wrote: From: garywinblad@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon auction To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:10 AM Wow, what a disaster!! I think I see the Tiger in these photos, number 11-14 in the front row with a red El Camino in front in the aisle... I could be wrong.. It looks like a major tent pole landed along side but it is ok. Hopefully this link works: http://www.abc15.com/Photo.aspx?content_id=f1dcdb2f-f377-4fe1-b395-f8bd1a10bc 1e&i=11 Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: mwood24020@aol.com To: sralsten@ca.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 04:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon auction Hmmm...link works for me (?) _http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.ht ml_ (http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.htm l) I'm hoping the Tiger wasn't one of the cars damaged when the Russo & Steele tents blew over yesterday. _http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/22/strong-winds-cause-russo-and-steele-auct ion-tents-to-collapse/_ (http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/22/strong-winds-cause-russo-and-steele-aucti on-tents-to-collapse/) You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 23 14:47:16 2010 From: mwood24020@aol.com To: "Tony Somebody" , tigers-bounces@autox.team.net, Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:19:09 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Russo and Steele is not on tv, afaik At this point, it may not be "on" at all, as they are still cleaning up the mess from the tents blowing over. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Tony Somebody Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:03:13 To: ; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon auction Does anyone know if the auction is being carried live or recorded to be shown at a later time. I cant find it on or in my Comcast TV guide(they suck to be honest but make up for it by being expensive) which is a suprise. I would enjoy seeing the Tiger plus the prices everything else is bringing. TtT --- On Sat, 1/23/10, garywinblad@comcast.net wrote: From: garywinblad@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon auction To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:10 AM Wow, what a disaster!! I think I see the Tiger in these photos, number 11-14 in the front row with a red El Camino in front in the aisle... I could be wrong.. It looks like a major tent pole landed along side but it is ok. Hopefully this link works: http://www.abc15.com/Photo.aspx?content_id=f1dcdb2f-f377-4fe1-b395-f8bd1a10bc 1e&i=11 Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: mwood24020@aol.com To: sralsten@ca.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 04:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon auction Hmmm...link works for me (?) _http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.ht ml_ (http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.htm l) I'm hoping the Tiger wasn't one of the cars damaged when the Russo & Steele tents blew over yesterday. _http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/22/strong-winds-cause-russo-and-steele-auct ion-tents-to-collapse/_ (http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/22/strong-winds-cause-russo-and-steele-aucti on-tents-to-collapse/) You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as mwood24020@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 23 16:01:25 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net, tigers@autox.team.net, Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:49:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, THANKS Mike. I thought that a possibility but one never knows the ammont of work that can be acomplished IF they wanted to do so. I imangine there will be insurance claims etc. to have consideration as well. Im sure we will have plnty of notice prior to the show. I apprecite the post. TtT --- On Sat, 1/23/10, mwood24020@aol.com wrote: From: mwood24020@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon auction To: "Tony Somebody" , tigers-bounces@autox.team.net, tigers@autox.team.net, garywinblad@comcast.net Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:19 PM Russo and Steele is not on tv, afaik At this point, it may not be "on" at all, as they are still cleaning up the mess from the tents blowing over. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Tony Somebody Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:03:13 To: ; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon auction Does anyone know if the auction is being carried live or recorded to be shown at a later time. I cant find it on or in my Comcast TV guide(they suck to be honest but make up for it by being expensive) which is a suprise. I would enjoy seeing the Tiger plus the prices everything else is bringing. TtT --- On Sat, 1/23/10, garywinblad@comcast.net wrote: From: garywinblad@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon auction To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:10 AM Wow, what a disaster!! I think I see the Tiger in these photos, number 11-14 in the front row with a red El Camino in front in the aisle... I could be wrong.. It looks like a major tent pole landed along side but it is ok. Hopefully this link works: http://www.abc15.com/Photo.aspx?content_id=f1dcdb2f-f377-4fe1-b395-f8bd1a10bc 1e&i=11 Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: mwood24020@aol.com To: sralsten@ca.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 04:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon auction Hmmm...link works for me (?) _http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.ht ml_ (http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.htm l) I'm hoping the Tiger wasn't one of the cars damaged when the Russo & Steele tents blew over yesterday. _http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/22/strong-winds-cause-russo-and-steele-auct ion-tents-to-collapse/_ (http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/22/strong-winds-cause-russo-and-steele-aucti on-tents-to-collapse/) You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as mwood24020@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 23 17:46:29 2010 From: Tom Hall To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:35:36 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] The Tiger at Scottsdale Brad Hall, the current owner and no relation, called me this morning with a report. There is a lot of damage but only one minor injury at the site. He has three cars in this event and his other two cars had some damage but the "Tiger Survivor" survived this incident with out harm. It had been staged between two larger cars (surprise) and they each did a good job of fending off poles, rigging and tent fabric, saving this Tiger from harm and un-needed restoration. It's my understanding that Russo & Steele will begin the auction Sunday morning. The Tiger will likely come up early given the previous schedule and fallout from the storm damage. I'm thinking Brad would just as soon it not sell and trailer it back to Kansas and enjoy it a few more years. He will let me know the outcome in any case. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 23 18:01:49 2010 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:45:40 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon auction Maybe they will have a "Scratch & Dent" sale. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 24 08:56:07 2010 From: David and Varley Tweddle To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:27:00 +0800 Subject: [Tigers] A few unrelated questions!! Hi all, I am thinking of doing some maintenance on my Tiger and thought the list members may have some helpful suggestions for me.... Waterless coolant.... Has anyone tried the Evans waterless coolant? Seems expensive but their website has interesting claims:- https://www.evanscooling.com/ We have had 4 days of 40C (108F)+ temps here in Perth, West Australia (I think we might be the epicentre of global warming!!). If this keeps up I might have to get some of this waterless coolant and a good AC for the Tiger!! The time has come to replace the stock generator! I tried searching the archives (fantastic source of info) but got the dreaded 404 "Not found" error when I searched "Alternator Generator" The search returned this which is a broken link I think. http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-elecsys.asp Anyways....appreciate your thoughts on what is a good alternator to fit (and still keep my charge light)? Last question.... Split Brake circuit master cylinder What is the easiest brake master cylinder to fit to get the improved safety of a split brake system. I am currently using my car without the troublesome Girling Power Brake and have become quite used to the high (but not too high) pedal pressure. Has anyone tried a slightly smaller MC piston diameter to increase mechanical advantage...would doing this cause "not enough displaced fluid" problems?? Thanks once again for your help..... David Tweddle Perth - W.A. B9472884 _________________________________________________________________ View photos of singles in your area! Browse profiles for FREE http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 24 08:57:19 2010 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: Tom Hall Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:33:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] The Tiger at Scottsdale Great news. Gotta love those big cars! The Tiger is scheduled at 4:30 today.. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Hall To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] The Tiger at Scottsdale Brad Hall, the current owner and no relation, called me this morning with a report. There is a lot of damage but only one minor injury at the site. He has three cars in this event and his other two cars had some damage but the "Tiger Survivor" survived this incident with out harm. It had been staged between two larger cars (surprise) and they each did a good job of fending off poles, rigging and tent fabric, saving this Tiger from harm and un-needed restoration. It's my understanding that Russo & Steele will begin the auction Sunday morning. The Tiger will likely come up early given the previous schedule and fallout from the storm damage. I'm thinking Brad would just as soon it not sell and trailer it back to Kansas and enjoy it a few more years. He will let me know the outcome in any case. Tom Hall _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 24 09:35:53 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'David and Varley Tweddle'" , Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:11:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] A few unrelated questions!! David I believe you were look for an alternator inside the generator body. http://www.powermastermotorsports.com/powergen.html There maybe other sites too. If you just want to swap in a period style alternator; the process is not that hard. I did that by putting an electronic regulator on the alternator, welding up an alternator bracket and turning the generator voltage regulator into a junction box. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David and Varley Tweddle Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:27 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] A few unrelated questions!! Hi all, I am thinking of doing some maintenance on my Tiger and thought the list members may have some helpful suggestions for me.... Waterless coolant.... Has anyone tried the Evans waterless coolant? Seems expensive but their website has interesting claims:- https://www.evanscooling.com/ We have had 4 days of 40C (108F)+ temps here in Perth, West Australia (I think we might be the epicentre of global warming!!). If this keeps up I might have to get some of this waterless coolant and a good AC for the Tiger!! The time has come to replace the stock generator! I tried searching the archives (fantastic source of info) but got the dreaded 404 "Not found" error when I searched "Alternator Generator" The search returned this which is a broken link I think. http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-elecsys.asp Anyways....appreciate your thoughts on what is a good alternator to fit (and still keep my charge light)? Last question.... Split Brake circuit master cylinder What is the easiest brake master cylinder to fit to get the improved safety of a split brake system. I am currently using my car without the troublesome Girling Power Brake and have become quite used to the high (but not too high) pedal pressure. Has anyone tried a slightly smaller MC piston diameter to increase mechanical advantage...would doing this cause "not enough displaced fluid" problems?? Thanks once again for your help..... David Tweddle Perth - W.A. B9472884 _________________________________________________________________ View photos of singles in your area! Browse profiles for FREE http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/ You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2638 - Release Date: 01/22/10 07:34:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 24 14:38:22 2010 From: Owain Lloyd To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:18:37 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] anyone know this 'FIA' tiger for sale? http://www.motorsportads.com/rally-cars/18634.html i don't quite understand how it has FIA papers _and_ 4 pot brakes and 14" wheels.... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 24 15:05:03 2010 From: michael king To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:44:46 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] anyone know this 'FIA' tiger for sale? WOW, That car even has the original "VIN screws" only seen on the FIA cars!!! I think the FIA papers might be for modified historic rally.. not for the correct cars. Id say "proper" histric events would not let this car run.. or perhaps they are reffering to saftey approved papers or something. There is a real FIA spec racer for sale at the moment for 35K GBP been online for a while.. is a very nice car. 2010/1/25 Owain Lloyd > http://www.motorsportads.com/rally-cars/18634.html > > i don't quite understand how it has FIA papers _and_ 4 pot brakes and 14" > wheels.... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as michael.s.king@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 24 15:21:19 2010 From: "Norman C. Miller" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:02:56 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] anyone know this 'FIA' tiger for sale? On top of those questions the "Registry" has a very trustworthy 2005 report that B9473727 HROFE has been JUNKED. One wonders what car is sitting under that transplanted "factory" tag? Norm At 01:18 PM 1/24/2010, Owain Lloyd wrote: >http://www.motorsportads.com/rally-cars/18634.html > >i don't quite understand how it has FIA papers _and_ 4 pot brakes and 14" >wheels.... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 24 18:51:48 2010 From: "Joe Brown" To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:24:05 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Steering U-Joints Hey, I'm trying to replace the u-joints in my steering linkage and I'm having an "issue". I removed the clips and pressed on the bearing cap on one side of a yoke until that yoke hit against the other yoke. This results in a bearing cap being pushed out about half way on one side. The shop manual makes it sound like the cap should pretty much fall out at this point and then you can press the other direction to get the other cap out. I can't get the cap out. I grabbed it with some channel locks but it doesn't move. Is there some trick to getting these caps out so I can remove the u-joint? Thanks, Joe Brown Arlington, TX B382000217 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 24 22:31:58 2010 From: "steve wick" To: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:10:31 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering U-Joints I've seen this happen for two reasons. One, is that the bearings are shot and the cap has been beat up to the point that it's "swaged" in. Clean the outside surface of any grease/grime/etc., and press it back the other way. Keep doing this until they loosen enough that one falls out. The other reason is if someone collapsed the ears of the yoke when they put the u-joint in, either using a hammer instead of a press or pressing on the ear instead of the bearing cap with the press when they seated it. Measure the ears to see if they are parallel. If not, you'll have to spread them until they are and that will give you the clearance you need. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 5:24 PM Subject: [Tigers] Steering U-Joints Hey, I'm trying to replace the u-joints in my steering linkage and I'm having an "issue". I removed the clips and pressed on the bearing cap on one side of a yoke until that yoke hit against the other yoke. This results in a bearing cap being pushed out about half way on one side. The shop manual makes it sound like the cap should pretty much fall out at this point and then you can press the other direction to get the other cap out. I can't get the cap out. I grabbed it with some channel locks but it doesn't move. Is there some trick to getting these caps out so I can remove the u-joint? Thanks, Joe Brown Arlington, TX B382000217 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as srwick@hotmail.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 25 05:34:00 2010 From: David and Varley Tweddle To: Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:33:40 +0800 Subject: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re my few unrelated Dear everybody, Thanks for all the great advice re my questions. One of the docs I recd talks about plugging(blanking off) the thermostat bypass (after drilling a couple of 1/8holes in the thermostat). Think I will do this.....has anybody had any problems or negative side effects? Thanks once again for all the tips. Isn't this Internet forum just great! Cheers David Perth- WA ps -It was only 30C today! _________________________________________________________________ Time for a new car? Sell your old one fast! http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157637060/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 25 06:02:29 2010 From: "Scott Hutchinson" To: , Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:52:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re my few unrelated This doesn't seem like a great idea. Not sure why it would help. Maybe though...... >From my admittedly limited knowledge I would think a nice 180degree thermostat and that is about it. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations NetJets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 *** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 25 08:43:21 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:22:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] anyone know this 'FIA' tiger for sale? If it was a true HROFE car, wouldn't it be right-hand drive? The German spec plate below the JAL plate is also an interesting piece... Wouldn't expect to see that on a British-market car. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Norman C. Miller > Sent: January 24, 2010 3:03 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] anyone know this 'FIA' tiger for sale? > > On top of those questions the "Registry" has a very > trustworthy 2005 report that B9473727 HROFE has been JUNKED. > One wonders what car is sitting under that transplanted "factory" tag? > > Norm _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 25 09:35:25 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, TheoSmit Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:12:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] anyone know this 'FIA' tiger for sale? WC Fields once said there is a sucker born every minute and since he made that statement- the birth rate has prolly trippled or more. Buyer beware and NEVER pay for a car until you see it- I dont care what the dam auction says or of course have a respected TAC type person inspect it for you- even if its a Mustang, soemone who knows where and what to look for or at. Cheers, TtT --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Smit, Theo wrote: From: Smit, Theo Subject: Re: [Tigers] anyone know this 'FIA' tiger for sale? To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 9:22 AM If it was a true HROFE car, wouldn't it be right-hand drive? The German spec plate below the JAL plate is also an interesting piece... Wouldn't expect to see that on a British-market car. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Norman C. Miller > Sent: January 24, 2010 3:03 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] anyone know this 'FIA' tiger for sale? > > On top of those questions the "Registry" has a very > trustworthy 2005 report that B9473727 HROFE has been JUNKED. > One wonders what car is sitting under that transplanted "factory" tag? > > Norm You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 25 10:33:39 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'David and Varley Tweddle'" , Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:30:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re my few unrelated Dave I'm not sure what your trying to accomplish with blanking off the thermostat bypass. I did not see those emails. You might want to elaborate here and get a few more opinions. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David and Varley Tweddle Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 7:34 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re my few unrelated questions email. Dear everybody, Thanks for all the great advice re my questions. One of the docs I recd talks about plugging(blanking off) the thermostat bypass (after drilling a couple of 1/8holes in the thermostat). Think I will do this.....has anybody had any problems or negative side effects? Thanks once again for all the tips. Isn't this Internet forum just great! Cheers David Perth- WA ps -It was only 30C today! _________________________________________________________________ Time for a new car? Sell your old one fast! http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157637060/direct/01/ You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2638 - Release Date: 01/22/10 07:34:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 25 10:34:12 2010 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:33:17 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] anyone know this 'FIA' tiger for sale? P. T. Barnum _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There's_a_sucker_born_every_minute_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There's_a_sucker_born_every_minute) In a message dated 1/25/2010 8:46:54 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, achd73@yahoo.com writes: WC Fields once said there is a sucker born every minute and since he made that statement- the birth rate has prolly trippled or more. Buyer beware and NEVER pay for a car until you see it- I dont care what the dam auction says or of course have a respected TAC type person inspect it for you- even if its a Mustang, soemone who knows where and what to look for or at. Cheers, TtT --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Smit, Theo wrote: From: Smit, Theo Subject: Re: [Tigers] anyone know this 'FIA' tiger for sale? To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 9:22 AM If it was a true HROFE car, wouldn't it be right-hand drive? The German spec plate below the JAL plate is also an interesting piece... Wouldn't expect to see that on a British-market car. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Norman C. Miller > Sent: January 24, 2010 3:03 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] anyone know this 'FIA' tiger for sale? > > On top of those questions the "Registry" has a very > trustworthy 2005 report that B9473727 HROFE has been JUNKED. > One wonders what car is sitting under that transplanted "factory" tag? > > Norm You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as aaaglasss@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 25 10:48:22 2010 From: Tom Hall To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:33:46 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tales of the Survivor Well the storm damage and subsequent delays changed the auction schedule considerably and the Tiger didn't get on stage until about 5 PM yesterday afternoon. By that time the crowd had thinned and many had already headed for home. The bidding on the Tiger and Brad's other two cars did not make his reserves, so he will be taking all of them home. Probably a lot of unhappy campers as a result of this stormy event, including the insurance companies. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 25 10:48:46 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: , "David and Varley Tweddle" Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:43:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re my few unrelated I put out a post about that topic near the end of last summer. Restricting (which is what I did) or blanking the bypass, reduces the amount of coolant that can circulate in the system without making it through either the heater or the radiator. The bypass is there basically to make sure the water pump can draw something even when the thermostat and heater valves are closed; as soon as the thermostat is open or if you have the heater on 'hot' then the bypass is redundant and in fact reduces the cooling ability of the radiators. Many performance-oriented engine builds block the bypass altogether; I threaded the bypass orifice 1/8" pipe, drilled a 5/32" hole in an Allen-head pipe plug and then inserted that into the hole. I then drilled a couple of bypass holes into the thermostat and found that it substantially reduced the coolant temperature. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser > Sent: January 25, 2010 10:30 AM > To: 'David and Varley Tweddle'; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re > my few unrelated questions email. > > Dave > I'm not sure what your trying to accomplish with > blanking off the > thermostat bypass. I did not see those emails. You might want to > elaborate here and get a few more opinions. > > Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 25 11:17:36 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, David and Varley Tweddle Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:11:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re my few unrelated Theo- Ive always refered to the by pass as the "heater by pass hose". So, am I correct in thinking when you plugged your by pass the heater no longer would work if it was cold weather and I wanted heater on?For whatever unknown reason, my car runs cooler than even a stock 260 and although it is a 289 with a mild cam it runs to cool in the winter. I havent changed the thermostat since I bought the car, I did change out the heads to some larger valve 289 heads w/ screw in studs and a bit of port work.The car came from AZ. and Im certain the PO had all work done shop wise, including rebuilding the engine. Im not complaining how cool it runs in the summer- in hot weather, stop and go in the city, it will show its capable of warming up but not as much as previous higher HP engines did.Over Thanksgiving I drove to WVa from southern IL and on the way home, I had to put cardboard in front of the radiator to stay warm- w/ a hardtop and a few air leaks. It wasnt running hot enough to be at suggested temps for best performance- 170 degrees at 70 plus mph and maybe below freezing temps outside,during the night. I plan on checking the thermostat when I do some pre-spring work, just to see what temp it is and IF it is stuck open, working properly etc. Thanks for responding to the bypassing the heater question beforehand. Tony --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Smit, Theo wrote: From: Smit, Theo Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re my few unrelated questions email. To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, "David and Varley Tweddle" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 11:43 AM I put out a post about that topic near the end of last summer. Restricting (which is what I did) or blanking the bypass, reduces the amount of coolant that can circulate in the system without making it through either the heater or the radiator. The bypass is there basically to make sure the water pump can draw something even when the thermostat and heater valves are closed; as soon as the thermostat is open or if you have the heater on 'hot' then the bypass is redundant and in fact reduces the cooling ability of the radiators. Many performance-oriented engine builds block the bypass altogether; I threaded the bypass orifice 1/8" pipe, drilled a 5/32" hole in an Allen-head pipe plug and then inserted that into the hole. I then drilled a couple of bypass holes into the thermostat and found that it substantially reduced the coolant temperature. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser > Sent: January 25, 2010 10:30 AM > To: 'David and Varley Tweddle'; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re > my few unrelated questions email. > > Dave > I'm not sure what your trying to accomplish with > blanking off the > thermostat bypass. I did not see those emails. You might want to > elaborate here and get a few more opinions. > > Ron Fraser You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 25 11:34:02 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Tony Somebody" , , "David Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:26:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re my few unrelated Hi Tony, The bypass hose bypasses both the heater and the radiator. There are three parallel paths for the hot coolant back to the water pump inlet: 1. Through the heater valve and heater core; 2. Through the thermostat and radiator; 3. Through the bypass. The radiator path is obviously the largest, although its ultimate flow capability is limited by the actual thermostat opening area and the type and condition of the radiator. The heater path is dependent on the condition of the heater core, and on whether or not you have the valve open (and how plugged the valve is ;) ). The bypass path is the little right-angle elbow hose that comes off the thermostat housing and goes straight back into the water pump inlet. If there was no bypass at all (either from the heater, bypass, or bleed holes on the thermostat) then the water pump would basically stall when the thermostat was closed and there would be little or no coolant flow at all in the engine, leading to localized boiling as well as retarding the opening of the thermostat until things were way too hot. So you do want the water to be circulating when the engine is cold... but once it's warm, the bypass would ideally be minimized, so as to maximize the flow through the radiators. Theo ________________________________ From: Tony Somebody [mailto:achd73@yahoo.com] Sent: January 25, 2010 11:12 AM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; David and Varley Tweddle; tigers@autox.team.net; Smit, Theo Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re my few unrelated questions email. Theo- Ive always refered to the by pass as the "heater by pass hose". So, am I correct in thinking when you plugged your by pass the heater no longer would work if it was cold weather and I wanted heater on? Tony _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 25 11:48:13 2010 From: motoys2001@comcast.net To: David and Varley Tweddle Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:43:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re my few unrelated The bypass is to permit water flow around the closed thermostat between the pump and the block allowing the block to come to temp as quickly as possible. This is a good thing by the way. Once the water temp reaches the thermostat temp opening range, then the properly heated water will pass through the radiator for heat exchange before returning to the block. As Theo has described, I have the blocked off bypass and a drilled high flow thermostat in both my street Tiger and Mustang as well as my open track cars. My street Mustang run too cool as it rarely even reaches 180 degrees with normal driving. I will replace it with a 195. This bypass technique will result in a longer heat up time. You want to get your water and oil up to operating temps prior to loading your engine. Respectfully, Henry V _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 25 13:19:04 2010 From: larryall@pacbell.net To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:13:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] HROFE car The picture of the vin plate clearly shows phillips screws holding it in place. I don't think those are original feature. If it was a true HROFE car, wouldn't it be right-hand drive? The German spec plate below the JAL plate is also an interesting piece... Wouldn't expect to see that on a British-market car. Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 25 13:33:19 2010 From: "Dave Munroe" To: "Scott Hutchinson" , Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:23:09 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re my few When my current engine build was completed, (bored and stroked 289 to 331 cu in) with all stock cooling apparati in place, the engine ran quickly on initial start-up to 225F and beyond. A serious cooling study by two members on this list indicated that closing off the by-pass from the water pump to the block dropped the coolent temp by some 5 deg F, so I tried it. It made no discernable difference, but then, at the temps it was running, who knows? My cooling problems didn't really get resolved until I added a large alloy rad, blocked off the horn holes and added a small spoiler, a large electric pusher fan with a shroud, and a modern 14" mechanical fan. So unless you have an overheating problem that is nearly cured and you want to fine tune it, I wouldn't bother. If you have a serious problem, you will have to do the big mods to get the big results. -Dave B382000450 Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -----Original Message----- From: Scott Hutchinson Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:52:34 To: ; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re my few unrelated questions email. This doesn't seem like a great idea. Not sure why it would help. Maybe though...... >From my admittedly limited knowledge I would think a nice 180degree thermostat and that is about it. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations NetJets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 *** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as dave@munroe.ca Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 25 14:18:26 2010 From: "DERRICK SCHMIDT" To: Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:26:45 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] HROFE car The more plates, the more authentic!!! ;-) Derrick ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: larryall@pacbell.net Reply-To: larryall@pacbell.net Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:13:30 -0800 (PST) >The picture of the vin plate clearly shows phillips screws holding it in >place. >I don't think those are original feature. > >If it was a true HROFE car, wouldn't it be right-hand drive? The German >spec plate below the JAL plate is also an interesting piece... Wouldn't >expect to see that on a British-market car. > >Theo ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.starstream.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 25 14:33:46 2010 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: Tom Hall Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:31:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tales of the Survivor Actually, it came up about 3:45 (earlier than the revised schedule). I was able to watch it live from their website. I don't know how many bidders were still there but by the time the Tiger came up, they were really whipping them through, it only got a couple minutes. It got a bid of $44K. Some comments (not exact quotes but what I can remember) by Drew the auction owner: "I have owned several of these" "You can't get an interior this nice except from the factory" (I guess he never heard of Martha Wheat or Paul Reisentz) "It has all the original ID tags and even a BAR sticker" (wonder why it had that?) "Some people try to make baby Cobra's out of these but they are best left stock" And the best one: "This should sell for $90K" Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Hall To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:33:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Tales of the Survivor Well the storm damage and subsequent delays changed the auction schedule considerably and the Tiger didn't get on stage until about 5 PM yesterday afternoon. By that time the crowd had thinned and many had already headed for home. The bidding on the Tiger and Brad's other two cars did not make his reserves, so he will be taking all of them home. Probably a lot of unhappy campers as a result of this stormy event, including the insurance companies. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 25 14:48:07 2010 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: garywinblad@comcast.net, modtiger@comcast.net Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:35:25 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tales of the Survivor Wow, and $44k didn't meet the reserve? In a message dated 1/25/2010 4:33:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, garywinblad@comcast.net writes: Actually, it came up about 3:45 (earlier than the revised schedule). I was able to watch it live from their website. I don't know how many bidders were still there but by the time the Tiger came up, they were really whipping them through, it only got a couple minutes. It got a bid of $44K. Some comments (not exact quotes but what I can remember) by Drew the auction owner: "I have owned several of these" "You can't get an interior this nice except from the factory" (I guess he never heard of Martha Wheat or Paul Reisentz) "It has all the original ID tags and even a BAR sticker" (wonder why it had that?) "Some people try to make baby Cobra's out of these but they are best left stock" And the best one: "This should sell for $90K" Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Hall To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:33:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Tales of the Survivor Well the storm damage and subsequent delays changed the auction schedule considerably and the Tiger didn't get on stage until about 5 PM yesterday afternoon. By that time the crowd had thinned and many had already headed for home. The bidding on the Tiger and Brad's other two cars did not make his reserves, so he will be taking all of them home. Probably a lot of unhappy campers as a result of this stormy event, including the insurance companies. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net You are subscribed as coolvt@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 25 15:35:25 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: garywinblad@comcast.net, modtiger@comcast.net, CoolVT@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:25:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tales of the Survivor Mark- you forgot the BAR sticker. As I jest. I have no guess what reserve was or should have been but the more it brought the higher the value of other Tigers became and I think a Survivor does increase the value to collectors as opposed to people like me- called owners.There will be another aucion with less wind and perhaps higher bids. TtT --- On Mon, 1/25/10, CoolVT@aol.com wrot From: CoolVT@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tales of the Survivor To: garywinblad@comcast.net, modtiger@comcast.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 3:35 PM Wow, and $44k didn't meet the reserve? In a message dated 1/25/2010 4:33:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, garywinblad@comcast.net writes: Actually, it came up about 3:45 (earlier than the revised schedule). I was able to watch it live from their website. I don't know how many bidders were still there but by the time the Tiger came up, they were really whipping them through, it only got a couple minutes. It got a bid of $44K. Some comments (not exact quotes but what I can remember) by Drew the auction owner: "I have owned several of these" "You can't get an interior this nice except from the factory" (I guess he never heard of Martha Wheat or Paul Reisentz) "It has all the original ID tags and even a BAR sticker" (wonder why it had that?) "Some people try to make baby Cobra's out of these but they are best left stock" And the best one: "This should sell for $90K" Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Hall To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:33:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Tales of the Survivor Well the storm damage and subsequent delays changed the auction schedule considerably and the Tiger didn't get on stage until about 5 PM yesterday afternoon. By that time the crowd had thinned and many had already headed for home. The bidding on the Tiger and Brad's other two cars did not make his reserves, so he will be taking all of them home. Probably a lot of unhappy campers as a result of this stormy event, including the insurance companies. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net You are subscribed as coolvt@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 25 17:34:49 2010 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: achd73@yahoo.com, garywinblad@comcast.net, modtiger@comcast.net, Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:33:47 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tales of the Survivor While I have no doubt that the weather...umm..."dampened" enthusiasm, I do n't know that the car would have made reserve, in any case. Prices seemed to be really soft at the auctions this year, which isn't too surprising given the general economic environment. My best, preauction guess was somewhere around $50k bid and I think the car is worth more than that to the owner. In a message dated 1/25/2010 2:35:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, achd73@yahoo.com writes: Mark- you forgot the BAR sticker. As I jest. I have no guess what reserve was or should have been but the more it brought the higher the value of other Tigers became and I think a Survivor does increase the value to collectors as opposed to people like me- called owners.There will be another aucion with less wind and perhaps higher bids. TtT --- On Mon, 1/25/10, CoolVT@aol.com wrot From: CoolVT@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tales of the Survivor To: garywinblad@comcast.net, modtiger@comcast.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 3:35 PM Wow, and $44k didn't meet the reserve? In a message dated 1/25/2010 4:33:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, garywinblad@comcast.net writes: Actually, it came up about 3:45 (earlier than the revised schedule). I was able to watch it live from their website. I don't know how many bidders were still there but by the time the Tiger came up, they were really whipping them through, it only got a couple minutes. It got a bid of $44K. Some comments (not exact quotes but what I can remember) by Drew the auction owner: "I have owned several of these" "You can't get an interior this nice except from the factory" (I guess he never heard of Martha Wheat or Paul Reisentz) "It has all the original ID tags and even a BAR sticker" (wonder why it had that?) "Some people try to make baby Cobra's out of these but they are best left stock" And the best one: "This should sell for $90K" Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Hall To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:33:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Tales of the Survivor Well the storm damage and subsequent delays changed the auction schedule considerably and the Tiger didn't get on stage until about 5 PM yesterday afternoon. By that time the crowd had thinned and many had already headed for home. The bidding on the Tiger and Brad's other two cars did not make his reserves, so he will be taking all of them home. Probably a lot of unhappy campers as a result of this stormy event, including the insurance companies. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net You are subscribed as coolvt@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as mwood24020@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 26 03:50:16 2010 From: "Mountjoy" To: "tiger list" Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:49:15 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: FIA Tiger??? This in from a friend in the UK on the FIA Tiger... Darrell "That car is known to us. It belongs to a member who bought it last summer, impulsively I suspect, ran it in the annual Sunbeam Challenge at Silverstone and then had a change of heart seemingly. It started out in the UK and was exported to Germany a few years ago and whist there received a German FIA treatment and did some endurance rallying. I have to say it is not compliant with the FIA 509 form of recognition but I imagine it can be brought into line quite readily. Just been catching up with that disaster at Russo & Steele auction. I suppose the owners insurance covers that sort of event. Cheers Graham" _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 26 12:35:13 2010 From: Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:21:41 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack Just curious, If you are installing an engine from underneath the car, does the steering rack have to be out? thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 26 13:05:55 2010 From: Owain Lloyd To: Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:05:30 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack the whole cross member needs to be out and the steering rack is attached to that, so yes. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 1:21 PM, wrote: > Just curious, > > If you are installing an engine from underneath the car, does the steering > rack have to be out? > > thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 26 13:17:12 2010 From: Gary To: Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:06:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack Paul, No it does not. However, you do need to remove the steering linkage arm between the rack and the steering column. Before you remove it, put tape or a mark where the splines line up, so that the steering wheel will end up in the same place when you reinstall the linkage. It is actually convenient to leave the rack on the crossmember as a handle for maneuvering the front end around. Gary --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com wrote: From: Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com Subject: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 11:21 AM Just curious, If you are installing an engine from underneath the car, does the steering rack have to be out? thanks, Paul You are subscribed as maliburevue@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 26 13:18:13 2010 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: Paul Tonizzo Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack I just did this job. NO, I left the rack in, you just need to lift the crank pulley up over the rack. BUT, it just BARELY can do this because the valve covers (stock chrome, would never work with LAT covers IMHO), hit the firewall, so next time I will unbolt the rack from the crossmember and just move it forward out of the way (let the wheels toe-in). I ended up scratching the paint off the center of the rack, not a big deal in my car at present... Of course too, when most people r and r the engine from below, they remove the crossmember first.. I didn't do that. I used a 4-post lift, a cheap engine hoist and a couple floor jacks and did it all by myself. Having a helper would be good... Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Tonizzo To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:21:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack Just curious, If you are installing an engine from underneath the car, does the steering rack have to be out? thanks, Paul Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 26 13:18:44 2010 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack I just did this job. NO, I left the rack in, you just need to lift the crank pulley up over the rack. BUT, it just BARELY can do this because the valve covers (stock chrome, would never work with LAT covers IMHO), hit the firewall, so next time I will unbolt the rack from the crossmember and just move it forward out of the way (let the wheels toe-in). I ended up scratching the paint off the center of the rack, not a big deal in my car at present... Of course too, when most people r and r the engine from below, they remove the crossmember first.. I didn't do that. I used a 4-post lift, a cheap engine hoist and a couple floor jacks and did it all by myself. Having a helper would be good... Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Tonizzo To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:21:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack Just curious, If you are installing an engine from underneath the car, does the steering rack have to be out? thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 26 13:48:53 2010 From: Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:41:14 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: engine installing and steering SHAFT not rack Sorry, I mean't steering SHAFT. (Of course the rack is out because the crossmember is out.) Paul ----- Forwarded by Paul Tonizzo/SYBASE on 01/26/2010 03:40 PM ----- Just curious, If you are installing an engine from underneath the car, does the steering rack have to be out? thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 26 13:49:29 2010 From: Owain Lloyd To: garywinblad@comcast.net Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:41:52 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack you removed it from underneath without removing the crossmember? wow. i'm pretty certain i couldn't do that with my engine. especially it the harmonic balancer was still on. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:17 PM, wrote: > I just did this job. > > NO, I left the rack in, you just need to lift the crank pulley up over the > rack. BUT, it just BARELY can do this because the valve covers > (stock chrome, would never work with LAT covers IMHO), hit the > firewall, so next time I will unbolt the rack from the crossmember and > just move it forward out of the way (let the wheels toe-in). I ended up > scratching the paint off the center of the rack, not a big deal in my > car at present... > Of course too, when most people r and r the engine from below, they > remove the crossmember first.. I didn't do that. I used a 4-post lift, a > cheap engine hoist and a couple floor jacks and did it all by myself. > Having a helper would be good... > > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Tonizzo > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:21:41 +0000 (UTC) > Subject: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack > > Just curious, > > If you are installing an engine from underneath the car, does the steering > rack have to be out? > > thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 26 14:01:59 2010 From: Owain Lloyd To: Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:52:52 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: engine installing and steering SHAFT not rack ok, then, no. but it can make getting headers back on a little easier when replacing the engine and its easier enough to remove. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:41 PM, wrote: > Sorry, I mean't steering SHAFT. (Of course the rack is out because the > crossmember is out.) > > Paul > > ----- Forwarded by Paul Tonizzo/SYBASE on 01/26/2010 03:40 PM ----- > Just curious, > > If you are installing an engine from underneath the car, does the steering > rack have to be out? > > thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd@gmail.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 26 14:18:15 2010 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: owain lloyd Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:07:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack Hi Owain, Yes, left it in including wheels, rack, brake lines, alignment(!). You probably could do it too. This was the first time I did because it was the first time I had my lift. I left the water pump and damper/pulley on too. Of course I did remove the radiator, alternator and the headers. I think it only makes it worse but I do have a regular Mustang T-5 tranny so I had to remove my custom tranny tunnel cover and the shifter from the T-5. I did remove the carb and distributor cap and wires just so they wouldn't get damaged. I built a custom dolly to hold the engine/trans that just rolls under the car and then the lift lowers the car over it. Then I use the engine hoist to lift the front of the engine up and forward and the floor jack to raise the tranny, slide them both back, push, shove, wiggle and bolt em back in.. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Owain Lloyd To: garywinblad@comcast.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:41:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack you removed it from underneath without removing the crossmember? wow. i'm pretty certain i couldn't do that with my engine. especially it the harmonic balancer was still on. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:17 PM, wrote: _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 26 14:49:40 2010 From: Tom Hall To: Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:39:16 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] engine installing and steering SHAFT not rack At 12:41 PM 1/26/2010, you wrote: >Sorry, I mean't steering SHAFT. (Of course the rack is out because the >crossmember is out.) > >Paul You will find it more efficient to remove the steering column when removing and replacing the engine/tranny assembly. You can also leave the left side of the engine assembled including headers and spark plugs. while doing the R&R, as long as the exhaust is not an interference. The access allowed with the column removed makes the job much quicker. By breaking the steering U-joints at the top joint, with the flat relief, you are able to maintain the proper "clocking" of the steering wheel to the rack. Final checking of the header bolts and installation of the spark plug wires is much quicker without fighting the column. It's kind of like removing the seats to work under the dash. Once you've done some of these little things to make the job easier, you won't regret it. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 26 15:02:39 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: garywinblad@comcast.net Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:54:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack Gary- would it not be easier to remove the 3 bolts holding the pulley on, so it isnt hitting the rack- that would be esier than removing the rack IMO/ TtT --- On Tue, 1/26/10, garywinblad@comcast.net wrote: From: garywinblad@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack To: "Paul Tonizzo" Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:13 PM I just did this job. NO, I left the rack in, you just need to lift the crank pulley up over the rack. BUT, it just BARELY can do this because the valve covers (stock chrome, would never work with LAT covers IMHO), hit the firewall, so next time I will unbolt the rack from the crossmember and just move it forward out of the way (let the wheels toe-in). I ended up scratching the paint off the center of the rack, not a big deal in my car at present... Of course too, when most people r and r the engine from below, they remove the crossmember first.. I didn't do that. I used a 4-post lift, a cheap engine hoist and a couple floor jacks and did it all by myself. Having a helper would be good... Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Tonizzo To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:21:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack Just curious, If you are installing an engine from underneath the car, does the steering rack have to be out? thanks, Paul Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 26 17:46:32 2010 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: Tony Somebody Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:43:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack Hi Tony, Well, in my case that would be 4 bolts for the pulley (5.0L motor). But that would only give maybe 2inches more clearance but I need at least 4inches to get the T-5 out of the X-frame. Dunno... even with the rack and pulley in place I did get the engine out and back. I am talking just the 4 rack mount bolts (and the steering column I guess) not the PITA tie rod ends. I am not sure I could even get the pulley bolts out with the steering rack in the way... looks like you might have to rotate the crank at least.. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Somebody To: garywinblad@comcast.net Cc: Beamclub Sent: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:54:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack Gary- would it not be easier to remove the 3 bolts holding the pulley on, so it isnt hitting the rack- that would be esier than removing the rack IMO/TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 26 18:16:21 2010 From: David and Varley Tweddle To: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:12:09 +0800 Subject: [Tigers] Waterless coolant - Sunbeam Tiger - Perth W.A. - Some Some of you have expressed interest in the "Waterless coolant".....here is my question to Aussie Supplier and his response. QUESTION.......... From: David and Varley Tweddle [mailto:davidandvarley@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:01 AM To: Wal Subject: Waterless coolant - Sunbeam Tiger - Perth W.A. Hi, I have a "hot" Sunbeam Tiger. It is very difficult to keep cool on days > 30C!! It has a 302W running high compression etc etc. Do you think the waterless coolant would help? Is there an Agent in Perth? I'm going to Philip Island for the Historic meeting in March. Is this coolant able to be packed/flown in my luggage? Thanks for any info. Cheers David Tweddle 0400774936 ps....I used to run grass track (Romsey) and Short Circuit (Seymour) a little slower than Gary Flood....way back in the 60's!! Does he still ride? RESPONSE jeff.eakin@comcast.net tigers@autox.team.net Hi David, Hard to say ? we find that using the Evans NPG+ actually increases the running temps by between 5 to 10 degrees c, but the product has a much higher boiling point. No we do not have an agent in Perth, we can send the product to you by post. I dont think the Airlines would like to see it airfeighted. The Evans NPG+ sells for $ 79.43 per US gallon ( 3.77 liters ) Nope, Gary dont ride anymore, but runs the place here now. Regards Wal MY THOUGHTS.... Very expensive...but then again a cooler Tiger is priceless!!Increased running temp not good but not being able to boil is better.My car has only ever puked once (at Wanneroo road race track) when it was 42C. So normally it just runs hotter than I'm comfortable with. When it puked I had to stop!Think I'll try thermo bypass blanking, then heater elimination, increased size of lower - below rad air dam, shutting hood(bonnet) I have it jacked up at rear but have read this is very high pressure air at rear of hood and may in fact be worse.Temps here in Perth forecast 38C+ for next week or so....I'll see if I can attach some of this and send it over to the US, some of the kind responders mentioned they coulddo with some of our excess. Wait, can't attach things on this forum....drat! Thanks again for all the wisdom here on this invaluable resource. Cheers "Hot" David Tweddle _________________________________________________________________ Video chat with Windows Live Messenger Learn how http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/messenger/article/870686/video-chat-with-me ssenger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 27 15:49:16 2010 From: michael king To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:48:31 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Miami Tiger people Guys, A local Sunbeamer in Australia (and a CAT member) is gogin to the USA for a holiday. He is flying into Miami in Feb.. are there any Tiger or Alpine people around that could maybe meet up for a drink and some car talk? -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 27 17:46:19 2010 From: MAURO D'ANGELO To: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:38:17 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] LAT-70 Wheels for sale? Hi all. Does anyone know where I might find a good deal on a set of LAT-70 wheels? I missed out on a couple of sets at the end of the summer, but am still hopeful I'll find a set for my car. Thanks! Mauro - Vienna, VA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 27 17:48:14 2010 From: michael king To: "MAURO D'ANGELO" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:47:52 +1100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] LAT-70 Wheels for sale? I think mod tiger engineeernig was gogint o repro them.. they can also do other sizes and offsets... IIRC 2010/1/28 MAURO D'ANGELO > Hi all. Does anyone know where I might find a good deal on a set of LAT-70 > wheels? I missed out on a couple of sets at the end of the summer, but am > still hopeful I'll find a set for my car. Thanks! Mauro - Vienna, VA -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 27 18:01:48 2010 From: MAURO D'ANGELO To: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:56:02 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Spare HEH-E Transmission available for sale Hi everybody. My 1966 Mark 1A Tiger still has its original drive train installed (matching numbers). I also have an original Mark 2 engine and HEH-CF transmission on the bench and my plan is to put the original 260 engine and close ratio transmission on mothballs and install the Mark 2 289 and wide ratio in the car. I wont separate the original drive train from the car. So far, so good. I also have a separate Mark 1 close ratio transmission that I bought when I was not sure what my plan was. This transmission came from a 30,000 mile car that was parked decades ago. The owner did not win at a car show and was so upset he just parked the car, where it remained until after he passed away. Now I have it and I don't need it. I believe it's a use-as-is transmission that needs nothing. I paid $1000 for it and would like to just recoup my money. I'm just wondering if anyone out there might have an interest in it. Please let me know. Thanks. Mauro _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 27 18:01:54 2010 From: MAURO D'ANGELO To: michael king Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:58:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] LAT-70 Wheels for sale? Thanks, but aren9t the reproduction wheels somehow different from the originals? I have never seen either in person, unfortunately... Thanks. On 1/27/10 7:47 PM, "michael king" wrote: > I think mod tiger engineeernig was gogint o repro them.. they can also do > other sizes and offsets... IIRC > > 2010/1/28 MAURO D'ANGELO >> Hi all. Does anyone know where I might find a good deal on a set of LAT-70 >> wheels? I missed out on a couple of sets at the end of the summer, but am >> still hopeful I'll find a set for my car. Thanks! Mauro - Vienna, VA > > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 28 11:03:38 2010 From: David T Johnson To: tigers@autox.team.net, MAURO D'ANGELO Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:33:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] LAT-70 Wheels for sale? I believe SS is still making and selling excellent repos. Better, because they meet DOT specs. They even sell the spinners. --- On Thu, 1/28/10, MAURO D'ANGELO wrote: From: MAURO D'ANGELO Subject: [Tigers] LAT-70 Wheels for sale? To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 12:38 AM Hi all. Does anyone know where I might find a good deal on a set of LAT-70 wheels? I missed out on a couple of sets at the end of the summer, but am still hopeful I'll find a set for my car. Thanks! Mauro - Vienna, VA You are subscribed as djoh797014@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 28 18:45:55 2010 From: MAURO D'ANGELO To: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:41:50 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Interior Pictures of Tiger Hard Top My Tiger's hard top, which is otherwise in good shape, has no headliner in it. I have a headliner to install, but would like to see what a properly installed headliner should look like. Does anyone have pictures of the interior of a hard top to give me a good idea? Thanks in advance! Mauro _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 28 18:47:03 2010 From: MAURO D'ANGELO To: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:46:27 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? Has anyone seen or used an original Tiger/Alpine hood with a bolt-on hood scoop instead of an LAT hood? If so, what kind of scoop (Thunderbird?)? I wonder what sort of hole would need to be cut into the hood for the scoop. Does anyone have any pictures, top and bottom side of such a hood that they would be willing to send to me, please? Thanks in advance! Mauro _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 28 19:03:27 2010 From: "Jim" To: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:02:44 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger... I'm looking at a Tiger on e-bay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-SUNBEAMTIGER-1965-SUNBEAM-TIGER-M K1a-289-2V-4-SPD-RESTORED-BLACK_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2a046883b4QQitemZ 180462584756QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks or item# 180462584756 if the link doesn't work. The ad states it has an 'original factory production patent plate' from Pressed Steel and a link to a pic. http://www.fraserdante.com/4104%20-%2065%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20-%20black/paten tplate.html Has anybody ever heard of such a thing? Or am I totally out of the loop here?? Jim B382000446 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 28 20:00:29 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: Jim Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:56:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger... Jim I thought the best part was the frame off restoration and the Tiger history lesson he gave to go with the car. Lots of things wrong- small stuff, like side moulding, dash, no cubby light and a tach hanging down- guess the stock one doesnt work. It also states the LOST vin was replaced after someone in the Tiger community provided paper work it was the car matching the given vin while using the numbers from the rearend and tranny to backup their claim. I didnt see a pic of the Georiga provided VIN plate but find it unusual a car is issued a VIN plate replacing the lost one. I was told that couldnt be done as it had been discussed many times and once the VIN plate is lost you are just screwed. Very curious how this was managed. It is nice and black with inormation that seems like they are trying to convince someone what they say is true. IMO of course. TtT --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Jim wrote: From: Jim Subject: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger... To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 8:02 PM I'm looking at a Tiger on e-bay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-SUNBEAMTIGER-1965-SUNBEAM-TIGER-M K1a-289-2V-4-SPD-RESTORED-BLACK_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2a046883b4QQitemZ 180462584756QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks or item# 180462584756 if the link doesn't work. The ad states it has an 'original factory production patent plate' from Pressed Steel and a link to a pic. http://www.fraserdante.com/4104%20-%2065%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20-%20black/paten tplate.html Has anybody ever heard of such a thing? Or am I totally out of the loop here?? Jim B382000446 You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 28 20:02:22 2010 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: MAURO D'ANGELO , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:02:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? The scoop you are referring to was very much like (or the same as) those used on the 289 Cobra racecars. I know Steve Alcala (El Segundo, CA) used to sell them and he may still. The scoop was not bolted on, but riveted on. The hole depends on what air cleaner is in use. Measure carefully! -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:46 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? Has anyone seen or used an original Tiger/Alpine hood with a bolt-on hood scoop instead of an LAT hood? If so, what kind of scoop (Thunderbird?)? I wonder what sort of hole would need to be cut into the hood for the scoop. Does anyone have any pictures, top and bottom side of such a hood that they would be willing to send to me, please? Thanks in advance! Mauro _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 28 20:32:06 2010 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: jim@island.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:31:13 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger... Seems to be a nice looking car. This quote was interesting..."Initially this Tiger was taken apart in the start of the restoration; the restoration work started with the body was taken off the frame, then they quit, at this point the VIN was lost by the first shop," In a message dated 1/28/2010 9:02:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jim@island.net writes: I'm looking at a Tiger on e-bay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-SUNBEAMTIGER-1965-SUNBEAM-TIGER-M K1a-289-2V-4-SPD-RESTORED-BLACK_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2a046883b4QQitemZ 180462584756QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks or item# 180462584756 if the link doesn't work. The ad states it has an 'original factory production patent plate' from Pressed Steel and a link to a pic. http://www.fraserdante.com/4104%20-%2065%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20-%20black/paten tplate.html Has anybody ever heard of such a thing? Or am I totally out of the loop here?? Jim B382000446 You are subscribed as coolvt@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 28 20:33:08 2010 From: "steve wick" To: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:32:48 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? You might consider the hood scoop from a 2006-2008 Shelby GT (not GT500) Mustang. Mine looks like the originals', including fake rivets around the perimeter, but is bolted on from underneath. It's non-functional but it shouldn't be to much of a problem to make it functional. The plus side is, they are new and available. Just another option. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Teepen, Jere To: MAURO D'ANGELO ; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? The scoop you are referring to was very much like (or the same as) those used on the 289 Cobra racecars. I know Steve Alcala (El Segundo, CA) used to sell them and he may still. The scoop was not bolted on, but riveted on. The hole depends on what air cleaner is in use. Measure carefully! -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:46 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? Has anyone seen or used an original Tiger/Alpine hood with a bolt-on hood scoop instead of an LAT hood? If so, what kind of scoop (Thunderbird?)? I wonder what sort of hole would need to be cut into the hood for the scoop. Does anyone have any pictures, top and bottom side of such a hood that they would be willing to send to me, please? Thanks in advance! Mauro _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 28 20:39:08 2010 From: "Lynn Wall" To: "'Tony Somebody'" , "'Jim'" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:38:51 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger... I don't want to pass judgment on this particular Tiger but I agree with what TtT said. However, I would like to let people know that I have lost vin plates and replaced Vin plates in California, and Utah. Both times I just told them the VIN number I wanted to register and it was no problem, I did have the paperwork in one case and just a believable story in the other (fire). They went out to look at the replaced vin plate and that was that. I was NEVER questioned about screws, rivets, bubble gum adhesive, VIN plate originality etc. I keep hearing people mention that they know someone that knows someone that had their car sent to the crusher. Maybe it happened, I don't know and don't claim to know. I just know that I have done it several times without a single problem. I'm sure there are places that it can't be done but there are also many places that it can be done. Maybe it's just good clean livin. FWIW, Lynn -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:56 PM To: Jim Cc: Beamclub Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger... Jim I thought the best part was the frame off restoration and the Tiger history lesson he gave to go with the car. Lots of things wrong- small stuff, like side moulding, dash, no cubby light and a tach hanging down- guess the stock one doesnt work. It also states the LOST vin was replaced after someone in the Tiger community provided paper work it was the car matching the given vin while using the numbers from the rearend and tranny to backup their claim. I didnt see a pic of the Georiga provided VIN plate but find it unusual a car is issued a VIN plate replacing the lost one. I was told that couldnt be done as it had been discussed many times and once the VIN plate is lost you are just screwed. Very curious how this was managed. It is nice and black with inormation that seems like they are trying to convince someone what they say is true. IMO of course. TtT --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Jim wrote: From: Jim Subject: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger... To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 8:02 PM I'm looking at a Tiger on e-bay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-SUNBEAMTIGER-1965-SUNBEAM-TIGER-M K1a-289-2V-4-SPD-RESTORED-BLACK_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2a046883b4QQitemZ 180462584756QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks or item# 180462584756 if the link doesn't work. The ad states it has an 'original factory production patent plate' from Pressed Steel and a link to a pic. http://www.fraserdante.com/4104%20-%2065%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20-%20black/paten tplate.html Has anybody ever heard of such a thing? Or am I totally out of the loop here?? Jim B382000446 You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as cars@wt-inc.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 28 20:45:45 2010 From: "Joe Brown" To: , , Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:43:38 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger... Hey, The Pressed Steel plate is located under the carpet on the jump seat area behind the driver's seat. Have Fun, Joe Brown The ad states it has an 'original factory production patent plate' from Pressed Steel and a link to a pic. http://www.fraserdante.com/4104%20-%2065%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20-%20black/paten tplate.html Has anybody ever heard of such a thing? Or am I totally out of the loop here?? Jim B382000446 You are subscribed as coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 28 20:46:20 2010 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:45:38 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger... Darn it all to heck. My 66 MK1A has no frame. Where can I get one??????????????????????????? In a message dated 1/28/2010 7:31:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, CoolVT@aol.com writes: Seems to be a nice looking car. This quote was interesting..."Initially this Tiger was taken apart in the start of the restoration; the restoration work started with the body was taken off the frame, then they quit, at this point the VIN was lost by the first shop," In a message dated 1/28/2010 9:02:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jim@island.net writes: I'm looking at a Tiger on e-bay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-SUNBEAMTIGER-1965-SUNBEAM-TIGER-M K1a-289-2V-4-SPD-RESTORED-BLACK_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2a046883b4QQitemZ 180462584756QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks or item# 180462584756 if the link doesn't work. The ad states it has an 'original factory production patent plate' from Pressed Steel and a link to a pic. http://www.fraserdante.com/4104%20-%2065%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20-%20black/paten tplate.html Has anybody ever heard of such a thing? Or am I totally out of the loop here?? Jim B382000446 You are subscribed as coolvt@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as aaaglasss@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 28 21:02:15 2010 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: srwick@hotmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:01:29 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? I ordered what I thought was a replica of the original Cobra FIA scoop from Tony Branda and it ended up being the same scoop as I have on my '07 Mustang Shelby GT. It appeared out of place when I mocked it up on the Tiger, as it was just too big and covered too much hood space.The Cobra scoop is smaller and more in scale with the Tiger's hood, I'd say. I sent it back. Alcala makes a very nice aluminum replica, but the price is very much in line with his great workmanship... I'm sure, with more research, there is a good source for a proper FIA Cobra scoop at a reasonable price, but I've tabled the idea for now...just can't bear the thought of cutting into my freshly painted hood! In a message dated 1/28/2010 7:32:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, srwick@hotmail.com writes: You might consider the hood scoop from a 2006-2008 Shelby GT (not GT500) Mustang. Mine looks like the originals', including fake rivets around the perimeter, but is bolted on from underneath. It's non-functional but it shouldn't be to much of a problem to make it functional. The plus side is, they are new and available. Just another option. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Teepen, Jere To: MAURO D'ANGELO ; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? The scoop you are referring to was very much like (or the same as) those used on the 289 Cobra racecars. I know Steve Alcala (El Segundo, CA) used to sell them and he may still. The scoop was not bolted on, but riveted on. The hole depends on what air cleaner is in use. Measure carefully! -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:46 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? Has anyone seen or used an original Tiger/Alpine hood with a bolt-on hood scoop instead of an LAT hood? If so, what kind of scoop (Thunderbird?)? I wonder what sort of hole would need to be cut into the hood for the scoop. Does anyone have any pictures, top and bottom side of such a hood that they would be willing to send to me, please? Thanks in advance! Mauro _______________________________________________ You are subscribed as mwood24020@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 28 21:17:14 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, AAAGLASSS@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:14:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger... What really amazes me is it seems like every week a couple more Tigers find their way to epay or Craig's list. I would imagine that all might not be real Tigers , for example the one that was a UK car that Norm had in his records as having gone to the salvage yard. I'm glad that cars are being restored and perhaps even cars that have been parked are being bought by new perspective clubs and LIST members. Its great when we get more people show up at SUNI or TE/AE- I will make it to a CAT United if God allows me to live long enough, just have to may names to put faces with. SUNI was a blast. Not only the folks I met but knew from emails but I did some people watching and we have a wonderful variety of owners. The best part is just how many members we have who are highly educated or perhaps I should say intelligent, especially with Tiger subjects but several that would be sharp in a room full of bowling balls. Its great to have those members to draw from when you have a problem. It seems someone has had experience in fixing almost any problem. Keep finding those Tigers folks, then join a club or three.Cheers, TtT In a message dated 1/28/2010 9:02:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jim@island.net writes: I'm looking at a Tiger on e-bay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-SUNBEAMTIGER-1965-SUNBEAM-TIGER-M K1a-289-2V-4-SPD-RESTORED-BLACK_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2a046883b4QQitemZ 180462584756QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks or item# 180462584756 if the link doesn't work. The ad states it has an 'original factory production patent plate' from Pressed Steel and a link to a pic. http://www.fraserdante.com/4104%20-%2065%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20-%20black/paten tplate.html Has anybody ever heard of such a thing? Or am I totally out of the loop here?? Jim B382000446 You are subscribed as coolvt@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as aaaglasss@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 28 22:38:07 2010 From: motoys2001@comcast.net To: MAURO D'ANGELO Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? http://www.snakebite.com.au/fibreglassbonnetscoop-p-47.html http://www.cardomain.com/ride/703052/7 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 28 22:45:32 2010 From: motoys2001@comcast.net To: MAURO D'ANGELO Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:43:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2813/1041/7030520049_large.jpg _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 28 22:45:42 2010 From: spook01@comcast.net To: MWood24020@aol.com Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:45:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? check with the cobra replicators.B ----- Original Message ----- From: MWood24020@ aol .com To: srwick @ hotmail .com, tigers@ autox .team.net Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:01:29 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? I ordered what I thought was a replica of the original Cobra FIA scoop from B Tony Branda and it ended up being the same scoop as I have on my '07 Mustang B Shelby GT. It appeared out of place when I mocked it up on the B Tiger, as it was just too big and covered too much hood space.The Cobra scoop is B smaller and more in scale with the Tiger's hood, I'd say. I sent it B back. B Alcala makes a very nice aluminum replica, but the price is very much in B line with his great workmanship... B I'm sure, with more research, there is a good source for a proper FIA Cobra B scoop at a reasonable price, but I've tabled the idea for now...just can't bear B the thought of cutting into my freshly painted hood! B B B In a message dated 1/28/2010 7:32:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, B srwick @ hotmail .com writes: You B might consider the hood scoop from a 2006-2008 Shelby GT (not B GT500) Mustang. Mine looks like the originals' , including fake rivets B around the perimeter, but is bolted on from underneath. It's non-functional B but it shouldn't be to much of a problem to make it functional. The plus B side is, they are new and available. Just another B option. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: B Teepen , Jere< mailto : jteepen @ usatoday .com> To: MAURO B D'ANGELO < mailto : m_dangelo @ verizon .net> B ; tigers@ autox .team.net< mailto :tigers@ autox .team.net> Sent: B Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on B Hood Scoop On Original Hood? The scoop you are referring to B was very much like (or the same as) those used on the 289 Cobra B racecars . B I know Steve Alcala (El Segundo, CA) used to sell them and he may still. B The scoop was not bolted on, but riveted B on. B The hole depends on what air cleaner is in use. B Measure carefully! -----Original Message----- From: B tigers-bounces@ autox .team.net< mailto :tigers-bounces@ autox .team.net> [ mailto :tigers-bounces@ autox .team.net] B On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO Sent: Thursday, January 28, B 2010 5:46 PM To: B tigers@ autox .team.net< mailto :tigers@ autox .team.net> Subject: B [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? Has anyone seen or B used an original Tiger/Alpine hood with a bolt-on hood scoop instead B of an LAT hood? B If so, what kind of scoop ( Thunderbird ?)? B I wonder what sort of hole would need to be cut into the hood for B the scoop. Does anyone have any pictures, top and bottom side of B such a hood that they would be willing to send to me, please? B Thanks in advance! B Mauro _______________________________________________ You are subscribed as B mwood24020@ aol .com Tigers@ autox .team.net http :// autox .team.net/mailman/ listinfo /tigers http :// www .team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net B http :// www .team.net/donate. html You are subscribed as spook01@comcast.net Tigers@ autox .team.net http :// autox .team.net/mailman/ listinfo /tigers http :// www .team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 28 23:15:40 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jim'" , Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:09:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger... Interesting they detuned the 289 with the 260 intake manifold. The carb is at least a 1966 model with manual choke. My best guess without the original engine number is that the engine should have been painted black. If I read the new Vin correctly it now ends in LRXFF.??? Details, details. It does look nice though. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:03 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger... I'm looking at a Tiger on e-bay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-SUNBEAMTIGER-1965-SUNBEAM-TIGER-M K1a-289-2V-4-SPD-RESTORED-BLACK_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2a046883b4QQitemZ 180462584756QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks or item# 180462584756 if the link doesn't work. The ad states it has an 'original factory production patent plate' from Pressed Steel and a link to a pic. http://www.fraserdante.com/4104%20-%2065%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20-%20black/paten tplate.html Has anybody ever heard of such a thing? Or am I totally out of the loop here?? Jim B382000446 You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2651 - Release Date: 01/28/10 07:36:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 29 04:31:01 2010 From: MAURO D'ANGELO To: Tony Somebody , Jim Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:26:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...yet another eBay Tiger... This car has been for sale for a very long time. When I was looking for my Tiger and knew little, this one spooked me. About the state issued VIN, I had a 1973 Porsche that had been stolen at some point in its life. The numbers were ground off the tub. Nonetheless, the car had a Virginia state issued VIN tag affixed to the door jamb. This was probably done decades before I got the car, so it may be different today. Cheers. Mauro On 1/28/10 9:56 PM, "Tony Somebody" wrote: > Jim I thought the best part was the frame off restoration and the Tiger > history lesson he gave to go with the car. Lots of things wrong- small stuff, > like side moulding, dash, no cubby light and a tach hanging down- guess the > stock one doesnt work. It also states the LOST vin was replaced after someone > in the Tiger community provided paper work it was the car matching the given > vin while using the numbers from the rearend and tranny to backup their claim. > I didnt see a pic of the Georiga provided VIN plate but find it unusual a car > is issued a VIN plate replacing the lost one. I was told that couldnt be done > as it had been discussed many times and once the VIN plate is lost you are > just screwed. Very curious how this was managed. It is nice and black with > inormation that seems like they are trying to convince someone what they say > is true. IMO of course. > TtT > > --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Jim wrote: > > > From: Jim > Subject: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger... > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 8:02 PM > > > I'm looking at a Tiger on e-bay. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-SUNBEAMTIGER-1965-SUNBEAM-TIGER-M > K1a-289-2V-4-SPD-RESTORED-BLACK_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2a046883b4QQitemZ > 180462584756QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks > > > > or item# 180462584756 if the link doesn't work. > > > > > > The ad states it has an 'original factory production patent plate' from > Pressed Steel and a link to a pic. > > http://www.fraserdante.com/4104%20-%2065%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20-%20black/paten > tplate.html > > > > Has anybody ever heard of such a thing? Or am I totally out of the loop > here?? > > > > Jim > > B382000446 > You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as m_dangelo@verizon.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 29 09:30:52 2010 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "MWood24020@aol.com" , "srwick@hotmail.com" Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:28:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? Steve Alcala also had/has the same scoop in fiberglass. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MWood24020@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:01 PM To: srwick@hotmail.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? I ordered what I thought was a replica of the original Cobra FIA scoop from Tony Branda and it ended up being the same scoop as I have on my '07 Mustang Shelby GT. It appeared out of place when I mocked it up on the Tiger, as it was just too big and covered too much hood space.The Cobra scoop is smaller and more in scale with the Tiger's hood, I'd say. I sent it back. Alcala makes a very nice aluminum replica, but the price is very much in line with his great workmanship... I'm sure, with more research, there is a good source for a proper FIA Cobra scoop at a reasonable price, but I've tabled the idea for now...just can't bear the thought of cutting into my freshly painted hood! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 29 09:38:59 2010 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: jteepen@usatoday.com, srwick@hotmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:38:15 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? Thanks, Jere, I didn't know that. I'm sure the fiberglass is also up to Steve's high standard. Also, one of the scoops linked appears to be the larger 427 SC type, which is very similar to the '07-'08 Mustang Shelby GT's. The one I (personally) think fits the Tiger is the smaller, FIA Cobra type, which was actually a part of the Cobra's hood, originally, but works fine with pop rivets, also. In a message dated 1/29/2010 8:30:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, jteepen@usatoday.com writes: Steve Alcala also had/has the same scoop in fiberglass. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MWood24020@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:01 PM To: srwick@hotmail.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? I ordered what I thought was a replica of the original Cobra FIA scoop from Tony Branda and it ended up being the same scoop as I have on my '07 Mustang Shelby GT. It appeared out of place when I mocked it up on the Tiger, as it was just too big and covered too much hood space.The Cobra scoop is smaller and more in scale with the Tiger's hood, I'd say. I sent it back. Alcala makes a very nice aluminum replica, but the price is very much in line with his great workmanship... I'm sure, with more research, there is a good source for a proper FIA Cobra scoop at a reasonable price, but I've tabled the idea for now...just can't bear the thought of cutting into my freshly painted hood! You are subscribed as mwood24020@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 29 09:47:34 2010 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: MWood24020@aol.com, jteepen@usatoday.com, srwick@hotmail.com, Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:46:16 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? Has anyone come across a scoop that is wide enough to clear the stock air cleaner? Most of the scoops mentioned here look too narrow. Mark L _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 29 09:53:24 2010 From: Chris Richards To: MAURO D'ANGELO Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:53:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Interior Pictures of Tiger Hard Top Here ya go.......should give you a general idea.....: http://www.cjrichards.org/1157hardtop.html --- On Thu, 1/28/10, MAURO D'ANGELO wrote: My Tiger's hard top, which is otherwise in good shape, has no headliner in it. I have a headliner to install, but would like to see what a properly installed headliner should look like. Does anyone have pictures of the interior of a hard top to give me a good idea? Thanks in advance! Mauro _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 29 10:02:14 2010 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: CoolVT@aol.com, jteepen@usatoday.com, srwick@hotmail.com, Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:01:00 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? There are plenty of scoops out there that would be wider, like the Fox Mustang "Pace Car" type, but they would cover most of the Tiger's hood! Not a good look, imho. If I was still going to do a scoop, I'd run a small, round period correct Stelling & Hellings air filter and fabricate a "Turkey Pan" (see link below) to make it a true CAI (cold air induction) and maximize the benefit of cutting a hole in the hood, while still looking entirely period correct. _http://www.cobranda.com/cotparamairb.html_ (http://www.cobranda.com/cotparamairb.html) In a message dated 1/29/2010 8:47:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, CoolVT@aol.com writes: Has anyone come across a scoop that is wide enough to clear the stock air cleaner? Most of the scoops mentioned here look too narrow. Mark L You are subscribed as mwood24020@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 29 10:09:12 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:08:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? TigersUnited.com has an article on a very nice turkey pan type installation done by Tim Ronak. http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/TRonakRamAir/TimRonakRamAir.pdf This used the stock air cleaner assembly, in a Kent Wilcox hood. If you want a tall filter then you'll have to do something like this with a Hellings&Stellings filter assembly as Mike suggests. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MWood24020@aol.com > Sent: January 29, 2010 10:01 AM > To: CoolVT@aol.com; jteepen@usatoday.com; srwick@hotmail.com; > tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? > > There are plenty of scoops out there that would be wider, > like the Fox Mustang "Pace Car" type, but they would cover > most of the Tiger's hood! Not a good look, imho. > > If I was still going to do a scoop, I'd run a small, round > period correct Stelling & Hellings air filter and fabricate a > "Turkey Pan" (see link below) to make it a true CAI (cold > air induction) and maximize the benefit of cutting a hole in > the hood, while still looking entirely period correct. > > _http://www.cobranda.com/cotparamairb.html_ > (http://www.cobranda.com/cotparamairb.html) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 29 10:21:05 2010 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: Theo.Smit@dynastream.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:20:22 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? Very, very nice. In a message dated 1/29/2010 9:09:06 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, Theo.Smit@dynastream.com writes: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/TRonakRamAir/TimRonakRamAir.pdf _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 29 16:53:37 2010 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:52:51 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] frame off ?? I often have to stop and think for a minute or less whenn I see an add for a car that is unibody ie no frame is advertised as having a "frame off" resto....I see it all the time when reading Hemmings....Does the advertiser have a clue??? Just a thought, Clyde _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 29 17:49:27 2010 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:48:40 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] frame off ?? And all the people selling 66MK1 Tigers and saying they are 67's, cause they were registered in 67. Don't they know what they have??? In a message dated 1/29/2010 3:53:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, clydemclaughlin@verizon.net writes: I often have to stop and think for a minute or less whenn I see an add for a car that is unibody ie no frame is advertised as having a "frame off" resto....I see it all the time when reading Hemmings....Does the advertiser have a clue??? Just a thought, Clyde You are subscribed as aaaglasss@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 29 18:05:29 2010 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: CoolVT@aol.com Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:04:05 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] frame off ?? Mine is the same way 66 registered in 67. But when you see 67 Tiger for sale you expect it to be a 67. In a message dated 1/29/2010 4:59:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, CoolVT@aol.com writes: Well, under that theory when we buy a 2010 Ford in December of 2009, what do we have? We know the car was built in 2009, but it's titled as a 2010. My MKl was registered as a 1967 Rootes. The registration got transferred through the years that way. There was no way my DMV would change it. So my registration says 1967 and my license plates say 66Tiger. Mark In a message dated 1/29/2010 7:49:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, AAAGLASSS@aol.com writes: And all the people selling 66MK1 Tigers and saying they are 67's, cause they were registered in 67. Don't they know what they have??? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 29 19:00:02 2010 From: "Ross" To: , Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:58:11 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] frame off ?? Mark, It is personal preference but let's say in my case the car came off the Jensen line in early November 1966. Now the car is shipped to the USA and came off the boat in late December 1966 or January 1967. It gets its first showing to the public in 1967 at Larry Reeds Sport Cars in LA. I buy the car in July 1967 and not knowing in the day it was made in 1966 I think it is a 1967. I have always called it a 1967. So, what is the big deal? Just because someone comes along with the manufacturing dates 40 years later I am not changing what I call the car. It was new in 1967. I tried to get a custom plate in California but any date I used with Tiger, Cat, or any variation of spelling and date and combination thereof I was refused. They stated that the names and dates were to similar to already published plates. So I went with the color code "ONEOSIX" Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse To: CoolVT@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] frame off ?? Mine is the same way 66 registered in 67. But when you see 67 Tiger for sale you expect it to be a 67. In a message dated 1/29/2010 4:59:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, CoolVT@aol.com writes: Well, under that theory when we buy a 2010 Ford in December of 2009, what do we have? We know the car was built in 2009, but it's titled as a 2010. My MKl was registered as a 1967 Rootes. The registration got transferred through the years that way. There was no way my DMV would change it. So my registration says 1967 and my license plates say 66Tiger. Mark In a message dated 1/29/2010 7:49:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, AAAGLASSS@aol.com writes: And all the people selling 66MK1 Tigers and saying they are 67's, cause they were registered in 67. Don't they know what they have??? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 29 19:18:17 2010 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:17:41 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] frame off ?? I have a white car. I think I will sell it on e-bay. When I list it I will tell everybody it's RED. In a message dated 1/29/2010 5:59:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ross_hulse@sbcglobal.net writes: Mark, It is personal preference but let's say in my case the car came off the Jensen line in early November 1966. Now the car is shipped to the USA and came off the boat in late December 1966 or January 1967. It gets its first showing to the public in 1967 at Larry Reeds Sport Cars in LA. I buy the car in July 1967 and not knowing in the day it was made in 1966 I think it is a 1967. I have always called it a 1967. So, what is the big deal? Just because someone comes along with the manufacturing dates 40 years later I am not changing what I call the car. It was new in 1967. I tried to get a custom plate in California but any date I used with Tiger, Cat, or any variation of spelling and date and combination thereof I was refused. They stated that the names and dates were to similar to already published plates. So I went with the color code "ONEOSIX" Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse To: CoolVT@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] frame off ?? Mine is the same way 66 registered in 67. But when you see 67 Tiger for sale you expect it to be a 67. In a message dated 1/29/2010 4:59:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, CoolVT@aol.com writes: Well, under that theory when we buy a 2010 Ford in December of 2009, what do we have? We know the car was built in 2009, but it's titled as a 2010. My MKl was registered as a 1967 Rootes. The registration got transferred through the years that way. There was no way my DMV would change it. So my registration says 1967 and my license plates say 66Tiger. Mark In a message dated 1/29/2010 7:49:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, AAAGLASSS@aol.com writes: And all the people selling 66MK1 Tigers and saying they are 67's, cause they were registered in 67. Don't they know what they have??? You are subscribed as aaaglasss@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 29 20:16:37 2010 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:16:10 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] frame off ?? I recall we had a similar discussing a few years ago. At that time there were some suggested terms that might be more applicable. But, I can't recall them at the moment. I think to some people "Frame Off" means that everything attached to the FRAME (yea, I know, actually a "unibody" in the case of a Tiger) is OFF the car. Given that most restored cars were older (and had separate frames) the phrase became common. As unibody type cars became restorable the term carried over, - though essentially inaccurate. Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 29 20:45:21 2010 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: atwittsend@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:44:43 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] frame off ?? I think unibody cars are either "frame UP" (if you have to use "frame" in the description) or "bare metal" (my choice) to denote no holds barred...has to be body on frame for a "frame off" as far as I'm concerned ;-) In a message dated 1/29/2010 7:16:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, atwittsend@verizon.net writes: I recall we had a similar discussing a few years ago. At that time there were some suggested terms that might be more applicable. But, I can't recall them at the moment. I think to some people "Frame Off" means that everything attached to the FRAME (yea, I know, actually a "unibody" in the case of a Tiger) is OFF the car. Given that most restored cars were older (and had separate frames) the phrase became common. As unibody type cars became restorable the term carried over, - though essentially inaccurate. Tom You are subscribed as mwood24020@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 29 21:47:53 2010 From: Gary To: atwittsend@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net, MWood24020@aol.com Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:43:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] frame off ?? I use the phrase 'ground up' restoration, i.e, everything 'from the ground up' has been restored. --- On Fri, 1/29/10, MWood24020@aol.com wrote: From: MWood24020@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] frame off ?? To: atwittsend@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 7:44 PM I think unibody cars are either "frame UP" (if you have to use "frame" in the description) or "bare metal" (my choice) to denote no holds barred...has to be body on frame for a "frame off" as far as I'm concerned ;-) In a message dated 1/29/2010 7:16:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, atwittsend@verizon.net writes: I recall we had a similar discussing a few years ago. At that time there were some suggested terms that might be more applicable. But, I can't recall them at the moment. I think to some people "Frame Off" means that everything attached to the FRAME (yea, I know, actually a "unibody" in the case of a Tiger) is OFF the car. Given that most restored cars were older (and had separate frames) the phrase became common. As unibody type cars became restorable the term carried over, - though essentially inaccurate. Tom You are subscribed as mwood24020@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as maliburevue@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 06:10:29 2010 From: MAURO D'ANGELO To: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:09:34 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better than Hi everyone! I'm hoping buy a set of original LAT-70 wheels for my '66 Mark 1A (B382001355LRXFE) (TAC #709). Since I emailed my interest to listers, I've had several tell me that repro wheels are better, and much safer, than the original LAT wheels. One explained to me that I should think hard about spending money on originals and this is why a couple of sets of original wheels sold for well under $1000 this past summer (no one wanted them???)...something about the originals not meeting DOT specs because they can crack and disintegrate at speed? Can you imagine? Is this just an "old wives tale, or is there really truth to it? What are your thoughts about this? I don't really like the idea of having new parts on a classic car, and I really prefer original equipment to repro, but I guess safety is king. I can't imagine "investing" such money on essentially unusable collector items that will end up just taking up space on a shelf. Thanks for your opinions! Mauro _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 08:06:21 2010 From: WHIZZZBANG13@aol.com To: jteepen@usatoday.com, MWood24020@aol.com, srwick@hotmail.com, Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:05:14 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? Does anyone know if Steve still has the scoops available and what he wants for them? Fred Baum In a message dated 1/29/2010 11:30:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jteepen@usatoday.com writes: Steve Alcala also had/has the same scoop in fiberglass. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 09:01:50 2010 From: Dave Munroe To: WHIZZZBANG13@aol.com, jteepen@usatoday.com, MWood24020@aol.com, Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:01:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? I bought mine from Steve on eBay Buy-it-now for $185.00 in 2003. Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Does anyone know if Steve still has the scoops available and what he wants for them? Fred Baum _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 09:20:46 2010 From: Jeff Howarth To: Dave Munroe Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:20:10 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? or LAT ? For those in CA an alternative is the dual skin Fiberglass LAT bonnets that Brad Kaplan has. He has some more arriving in about 10 day from me in the UK. If interested contact Brad at bradkaplan2723@yahoo.com regards Jeff In message <39C935A1975946C79BFEE58812BC60FE@DavePC>, Dave Munroe writes >I bought mine from Steve on eBay Buy-it-now for $185.00 in 2003. > >Dave >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >---------------------------- > > >Does anyone know if Steve still has the scoops available and what he wants >for them? > >Fred Baum >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as jeff@v8tiger.demon.co.uk > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > -- Jeff Howarth _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 11:00:25 2010 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:59:23 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at auction today A Tiger is coming up today at the Mecum auction in Kissimmee, FL. You might be able to catch it on the Mecum web cam. Very easy to sign up. Go to _http://mecum.com/_ (http://mecum.com/) Click on Kissimmee auction, then "web cam' and follow instructions. The Tiger is lot # S294 and is scheduled for tonight (Saturday) at 9:20 EST. Right now, at 12:55 EST, they are running about 1/2 hour behind schedule. Someone must have high expectations because it is scheduled for prime time (Saturday night) and is scheduled between a Shelby GT350 and a 1970 Plymouth Superbird. I am just headed to the auction and will try to get a good look at the car before it goes on the block. Mark L _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 12:21:49 2010 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net, AAAGLASSS@aol.com Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:21:06 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 66 or 67? I am in the same category as a couple of others here who have reported Tigers that were manufactured in 1966 but titled as a 1967. In my case, I bought my Tiger new in October of 1966 (it came off the Jensen line in August) but the powers that be at the New York DMV decided it was to be titled as a 1967 and it has always said so on my registration. When I and my Tiger moved to Maine, I presented the NY registration at the Maine DMV and they registered it as a 1967. I guess I could have objected, but, then again, you probably have never waited in line at the Maine DMV. Net result, I have a 1967 MkIA Sunbeam Tiger which carries the license plate 67Tiger to tick the purists off even more. We could have the same argument about a couple of Tiger II's that I have seen or heard of over the years that were title as 1968's and everybody knows there were none built that year. To me, the year is not the important thing, it is whether it is a MkIA or a MkII. What you call things doesn't matter too much, it seems to me. It is the essence of the object that matters. Of course, having come by my surname by way of what genealogists call a "non-paternal event" some 200 years ago, I am probably prejudiced. Cheers, Tod Brown (conceived 1940, born in 1941) B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 12:59:28 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: Tod Brown Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:58:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] 66 or 67? The only thing that I think important to anyone who has owned a Tiger long enough to know lots about the car, is the VIN number and if its TACed or will pass TAC. Others might have questions and need to understand that back then the car was titled when it was sold not when it was manufactured. WE know a Mk1 from a 1A and between the BON and other documentation, we have dates when changes where made- like from this VIN forward the steering collum had a brace installed. It might make a difference to an insurance company who might argue either way that a 66 is worth more or less than a 67 even tho the car n the next town over has a VIN one number higher or lower than the car the insurance is saying has less or more value but to all owners who have a history of ownership or knowledge learned thru clubs, books,and other owners, who cares what year the title shows it is- the VIN tells us all what the car really is, providing the car bears the original Vin, with or without original rivets. My opinion and a $2 bill will get ya a cup of coffee at most fast food or convieance stores. Creamer included. TtT (manufactured 1952 and titled in 1953) --- On Sat, 1/30/10, Tod Brown wrote: From: Tod Brown Subject: [Tigers] 66 or 67? To: tigers@autox.team.net, AAAGLASSS@aol.com Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 1:21 PM I am in the same category as a couple of others here who have reported Tigers that were manufactured in 1966 but titled as a 1967. In my case, I bought my Tiger new in October of 1966 (it came off the Jensen line in August) but the powers that be at the New York DMV decided it was to be titled as a 1967 and it has always said so on my registration. When I and my Tiger moved to Maine, I presented the NY registration at the Maine DMV and they registered it as a 1967. I guess I could have objected, but, then again, you probably have never waited in line at the Maine DMV. Net result, I have a 1967 MkIA Sunbeam Tiger which carries the license plate 67Tiger to tick the purists off even more. We could have the same argument about a couple of Tiger II's that I have seen or heard of over the years that were title as 1968's and everybody knows there were none built that year. To me, the year is not the important thing, it is whether it is a MkIA or a MkII. What you call things doesn't matter too much, it seems to me. It is the essence of the object that matters. Of course, having come by my surname by way of what genealogists call a "non-paternal event" some 200 years ago, I am probably prejudiced. Cheers, Tod Brown (conceived 1940, born in 1941) B382002384LRXFE You are subscribed as achd73@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 13:31:08 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'MAURO D'ANGELO'" , Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:29:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better I don't have any LAT-70 wheels so I can't speak of their quality but I remember seeing MAG wheels in the 60's and 70's that had porosity problems. I remember one person who bought a set of MAGS and the first thing he had to do was paint the tire side of the wheel so it would hold air longer. I think the my first words about that was "your kidding me", he was not. This was a material and process problem. I believe some of the problem is associated with the design of the wheel's rim for use with today's tubeless radial tires. Personally I would buy new LAT-70 from Sunbeam Specialties that meet current safety regulations; if I were in the market. Safety first and always. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:10 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better thanOriginals??? Hi everyone! I'm hoping buy a set of original LAT-70 wheels for my '66 Mark 1A (B382001355LRXFE) (TAC #709). Since I emailed my interest to listers, I've had several tell me that repro wheels are better, and much safer, than the original LAT wheels. One explained to me that I should think hard about spending money on originals and this is why a couple of sets of original wheels sold for well under $1000 this past summer (no one wanted them???)...something about the originals not meeting DOT specs because they can crack and disintegrate at speed? Can you imagine? Is this just an "old wives tale, or is there really truth to it? What are your thoughts about this? I don't really like the idea of having new parts on a classic car, and I really prefer original equipment to repro, but I guess safety is king. I can't imagine "investing" such money on essentially unusable collector items that will end up just taking up space on a shelf. Thanks for your opinions! Mauro You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2655 - Release Date: 01/29/10 09:08:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 13:47:42 2010 From: "Stu Brennan" To: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:47:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 66 or 67? As I recall, Tod and I have serial numbers that are pretty close together, so they were probably built, shipped, or whatever within a couple weeks of each other. Mine didn't get into a customer's hands until Feb '67, and the title says '67. But, in America, they've always built the next year's cars starting in the summer or early fall. Even back in the day the next year's cars were at the dealers well before New Years, Christmas, or Thanksgiving, IIRC. So is it wrong to identify a car built in the late fall of '09 as a 2010 model? Clearly not. So unless there was a spec change that differentiated between a year's models, it probably doesn't make a difference. Stu _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 13:49:00 2010 From: Tony McNulty To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, 'MAURO D'ANGELO' , Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:48:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better Early mags definitely were leakers! I put a set of BWAs on my Tiger back in 1972 and one of them won't hold its air for even a month -- less than that in this cold CT weather! I think I'm leaning toward a modern 15" wheel this time around. Tony McNulty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Fraser" To: "'MAURO D'ANGELO'" ; Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better thanOriginals??? > I don't have any LAT-70 wheels so I can't speak of their quality but > I remember seeing MAG wheels in the 60's and 70's that had porosity > problems. I remember one person who bought a set of MAGS and the first > thing he had to do was paint the tire side of the wheel so it would hold > air > longer. I think the my first words about that was "your kidding me", he > was > not. This was a material and process problem. > > I believe some of the problem is associated with the design of the > wheel's rim for use with today's tubeless radial tires. > > Personally I would buy new LAT-70 from Sunbeam Specialties that meet > current > safety regulations; if I were in the market. Safety first and always. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO > Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:10 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better > thanOriginals??? > > > Hi everyone! > > I'm hoping buy a set of original LAT-70 wheels for my '66 Mark 1A > (B382001355LRXFE) (TAC #709). Since I emailed my interest to listers, > I've > had several tell me that repro wheels are better, and much safer, than the > original LAT wheels. One explained to me that I should think hard about > spending money on originals and this is why a couple of sets of original > wheels sold for well under $1000 this past summer (no one wanted > them???)...something about the originals not meeting DOT specs because > they > can crack and disintegrate at speed? Can you imagine? Is this just an > "old > wives tale, or is there really truth to it? > > What are your thoughts about this? I don't really like the idea of having > new parts on a classic car, and I really prefer original equipment to > repro, > but I guess safety is king. I can't imagine "investing" such money on > essentially unusable collector items that will end up just taking up space > on a shelf. > > Thanks for your opinions! > > Mauro > You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2655 - Release Date: 01/29/10 > 09:08:00 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bamcnulty@optonline.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 14:00:26 2010 From: jhef101@aol.com To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:59:41 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] frame off ?? I dunno, I have a '65 according to Norm and the Book but it says '64 on the title. What do I have? The title kinda defines the year doesn't it? Jeff Hefner B9470028 -----Original Message----- From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Jan 29, 2010 7:48 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] frame off ?? And all the people selling 66MK1 Tigers and saying they are 67's, cause hey were registered in 67. Don't they know what they have??? n a message dated 1/29/2010 3:53:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lydemclaughlin@verizon.net writes: I often have to stop and think for a minute or less whenn I see an add for ar that is unibody ie no frame is advertised as having a "frame off" esto....I see it all the time when reading Hemmings....Does the advertiser ave a clue??? Just a thought, Clyde ou are subscribed as aaaglasss@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as jhef101@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 14:04:32 2010 From: J D Johnson To: rfraser@bluefrog.com,"'MAURO D'ANGELO'" , Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:03:48 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better Can anyone explain the design/visual difference between an original and the Sunbeam Specialties wheel? JD At 12:29 PM 1/30/2010, Ron Fraser wrote: > I don't have any LAT-70 wheels so I can't speak of their quality but >I remember seeing MAG wheels in the 60's and 70's that had porosity >problems. I remember one person who bought a set of MAGS and the first >thing he had to do was paint the tire side of the wheel so it would hold air >longer. I think the my first words about that was "your kidding me", he was >not. This was a material and process problem. > > I believe some of the problem is associated with the design of the >wheel's rim for use with today's tubeless radial tires. > >Personally I would buy new LAT-70 from Sunbeam Specialties that meet current >safety regulations; if I were in the market. Safety first and always. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 14:05:42 2010 From: jhef101@aol.com To: todbrown@roadrunner.com, tigers@autox.team.net, AAAGLASSS@aol.com Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:04:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 66 or 67? This probably fits better under this threadline, so it is a dual post. I dunno, I have a '65 according to Norm and the Book but it says '64 on the title. What do I have? The title kinda defines the year doesn't it? Jeff Hefner B9470028 -----Original Message----- From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net; AAAGLASSS@aol.com Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:21 pm Subject: [Tigers] 66 or 67? I am in the same category as a couple of others here who have reported Tigers that were manufactured in 1966 but titled as a 1967. In my case, I bought my Tiger new in October of 1966 (it came off the Jensen line in August) but the powers that be at the New York DMV decided it was to be titled as a 1967 and it has always said so on my registration. When I and my Tiger moved to Maine, I presented the NY registration at the Maine DMV and they registered it as a 1967. I guess I could have objected, but, then again, you probably have never waited in line at the Maine DMV. Net result, I have a 1967 MkIA Sunbeam Tiger which carries the license plate 67Tiger to tick the purists off even more. We could have the same argument about a couple of Tiger II's that I have seen or heard of over the years that were title as 1968's and everybody knows there were none built that year. To me, the year is not the important thing, it is whether it is a MkIA or a MkII. What you call things doesn't matter too much, it seems to me. It is the essence of the object that matters. Of course, having come by my surname by way of what genealogists call a "non-paternal event" some 200 years ago, I am probably prejudiced. Cheers, Tod Brown (conceived 1940, born in 1941) B382002384LRXFE You are subscribed as jhef101@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 15:00:04 2010 From: MAURO D'ANGELO To: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:59:07 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Six Blade Cooling Fan I've been trying to figure out which fan to buy to improve the cooling of my engine. I know there was a fan with part number C9DZ-8600-A that supposedly fit, but I have not found a single one for sale. Are there other fans out there that would fit the stock Tiger setup? I once heard something about a Volvo fan, but don't know. What are the specifications I should be looking for? Any advice would be highly appreciated! Mauro _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 15:03:21 2010 From: MAURO D'ANGELO To: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:02:34 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine pulleys I am wondering if anyone can tell me which engine pulleys fit the stock tiger setup. I understand that not just any pulleys will work. I am rebuilding my Mark 2 289 engine, which has no pulleys, and I do not want to take them from my original 260 engine. Part numbers, provenance and placement would be great! Thanks. Mauro _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 15:07:39 2010 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: CoolVT@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:06:57 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at auction today With a 360 HP roller, 3-speed automatic and nitrous, yet! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 16:17:23 2010 From: Randy Smith To: "MAURO D'ANGELO" Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:15:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Six Blade Cooling Fan Mauro- I have used the 15" Derale flex-fan available from Summit Racing with a part number DER-17015! This fan is an easy fit and is extremely efficient at both low and high speeds. The only issue could be clearance with the steering rack. I had to put one flatwasher under each of my motor mounts (the mounts were new at the time) to get clearance. Tiger Tom warns against cutting the diameter of the fan down as most of the efficiency is at the outer diameter. Shimming the motor mounts is really quite easy, but don't overdue it or the air cleaner will hit the hood. I also used one of the Ford Fairmont water pump pulleys to increase the speed of the pump and fan. Somebody is selling a nice machined version of that pulley in the TE/AE newsletter. While you are working on all that stuff, you might want to do something with your radiator if you haven't already. I had my original radiator recored with a modern core. Also make certain to block your horn holes. With that combination of upgrades, I can idle or run at highway speeds all day long in the humid 100 degree Mid-Atlantic summer heat with the engine running right at the thermostat setting. Check out the tech tips on the TE/AE website for more details. -Randy MAURO D'ANGELO wrote: > I've been trying to figure out which fan to buy to improve the cooling of my > engine. I know there was a fan with part number C9DZ-8600-A that supposedly > fit, but I have not found a single one for sale. Are there other fans out > there that would fit the stock Tiger setup? I once heard something about a > Volvo fan, but don't know. What are the specifications I should be looking > for? Any advice would be highly appreciated! Mauro > _______________________________________________ > Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ@cs.com Tiger- B382000189 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 16:23:21 2010 From: MAURO D'ANGELO To: Randy Smith Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:22:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Six Blade Cooling Fan Great! Thanks. At $27, it is definitely worth a try! How did you block the horn passages? Mauro On 1/30/10 6:15 PM, "Randy Smith" wrote: > Mauro- > > I have used the 15" Derale flex-fan available from Summit Racing with a part > number DER-17015! This fan is an easy fit and is extremely efficient at both > low and high speeds. The only issue could be clearance with the steering > rack. I had to put one flatwasher under each of my motor mounts (the mounts > were new at the time) to get clearance. Tiger Tom warns against cutting the > diameter of the fan down as most of the efficiency is at the outer diameter. > Shimming the motor mounts is really quite easy, but don't overdue it or the > air cleaner will hit the hood. I also used one of the Ford Fairmont water > pump pulleys to increase the speed of the pump and fan. Somebody is selling a > nice machined version of that pulley in the TE/AE newsletter. While you are > working on all that stuff, you might want to do something with your radiator > if you haven't already. I had my original radiator recored with a modern > core. Also make certain to block your horn holes. With that combination of > upgrades, I can idle or run at highway speeds all day long in the humid 100 > degree Mid-Atlantic summer heat with the engine running right at the > thermostat setting. Check out the tech tips on the TE/AE website > for more details. > > -Randy > > MAURO D'ANGELO wrote: >> >> I've been trying to figure out which fan to buy to improve the cooling of my >> engine. I know there was a fan with part number C9DZ-8600-A that supposedly >> fit, but I have not found a single one for sale. Are there other fans out >> there that would fit the stock Tiger setup? I once heard something about a >> Volvo fan, but don't know. What are the specifications I should be looking >> for? Any advice would be highly appreciated! Mauro >> _______________________________________________ >> > Randy Smith > Randy Smith > INNER QUEST, Inc. > 34752 Charles Town Pike > Purcellville, VA 20132 > 703-478-1078 > 540-668-6699 > 540-668-6253 fax > > InnerQuestOnline.com > RSSmithIQ@cs.com > Tiger- B382000189 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 17:17:23 2010 From: "Bill Waite" To: , , "J D Johnson" Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:16:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better The photos below show four of the original LAT 70 wheels. The two on the right have been polished, the two on the left have not been finished. These wheels were used for many years by the former owner of my Mark I (I purchased the car in 1979... these wheels removed in 1980 and never used since). Two of the photos show the markings on the underside of the wheel (plus "PATENT PENDING" is also there). These wheels are for sale if anyone is interested in the original ones for a car being restored with original parts. I believe the Sunbeam Specialties wheels are the same "design" but larger diameter, etc for bigger than original tires, etc. http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/LAT70WHEELS.JPG http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/IMG_0032(2).JPG http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/IMG_0031(2).JPG http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/IMG_0029(2).JPG Regards, Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI ----- Original Message ----- From: "J D Johnson" To: ; "'MAURO D'ANGELO'" ; Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better thanOriginals??? > Can anyone explain the design/visual difference between an original and > the Sunbeam Specialties wheel? > > JD > > At 12:29 PM 1/30/2010, Ron Fraser wrote: >> I don't have any LAT-70 wheels so I can't speak of their quality >> but >>I remember seeing MAG wheels in the 60's and 70's that had porosity >>problems. I remember one person who bought a set of MAGS and the first >>thing he had to do was paint the tire side of the wheel so it would hold >>air >>longer. I think the my first words about that was "your kidding me", he >>was >>not. This was a material and process problem. >> >> I believe some of the problem is associated with the design of >> the >>wheel's rim for use with today's tubeless radial tires. >> >>Personally I would buy new LAT-70 from Sunbeam Specialties that meet >>current >>safety regulations; if I were in the market. Safety first and always. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as fordlandia@sbcglobal.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 17:44:45 2010 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: Bill Waite Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 00:43:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better The SS wheels are made from the ORIGINAL tooling, so they look the same. They are made with a much better casting process and/or material so they are not as porous so they hold air and they hold their shine. In Bill's photos, the ones on the right are not as shiny as SS wheels at their worst. If you take a few minutes with wheel polish they can look like mirrors. Also, the machining of the inside (not visible when tires are mounted) is to 1990's DOT specs (not sure but IIRC there is slight raised bead that retains a flat tire better) so they are safer from a tire retention viewpoint as well as the better casting/material. I guess you know what kind of wheels I have on my car! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Waite To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, tigers@autox.team.net, J D Johnson Sent: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 00:16:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better thanOriginals??? The photos below show four of the original LAT 70 wheels. The two on the right have been polished, the two on the left have not been finished. These wheels were used for many years by the former owner of my Mark I (I purchased the car in 1979... these wheels removed in 1980 and never used since). Two of the photos show the markings on the underside of the wheel (plus "PATENT PENDING" is also there). These wheels are for sale if anyone is interested in the original ones for a car being restored with original parts. I believe the Sunbeam Specialties wheels are the same "design" but larger diameter, etc for bigger than original tires, etc. http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/LAT70WHEELS.JPG http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/IMG_0032(2).JPG http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/IMG_0031(2).JPG http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/IMG_0029(2).JPG Regards, Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 17:51:08 2010 From: phastphill@aol.com To: RSSmithIQ@cs.com, m_dangelo@verizon.net Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:50:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Six Blade Cooling Fan I use this same fan, no spacers needed on my mkII, Rebuilt rad, modern core, Edelbrock hi vol water pump, blocked.. with flat black plastic..horn holes. F4B , 4barrel, cam, headers. runs fine will only get hot in really slow traffic, and will come right back down and not puke out ---- Original Message ---- From: Randy Smith To: MAURO D'ANGELO Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:15 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] Six Blade Cooling Fan Mauro- I have used the 15" Derale flex-fan available from Summit Racing with a art number DER-17015! This fan is an easy fit and is extremely fficient at both low and high speeds. The only issue could be learance with the steering rack. I had to put one flatwasher under ach of my motor mounts (the mounts were new at the time) to get learance. Tiger Tom warns against cutting the diameter of the fan down s most of the efficiency is at the outer diameter. Shimming the motor ounts is really quite easy, but don't overdue it or the air cleaner ill hit the hood. I also used one of the Ford Fairmont water pump ulleys to increase the speed of the pump and fan. Somebody is selling nice machined version of that pulley in the TE/AE newsletter. While ou are working on all that stuff, you might want to do something with our radiator if you haven't already. I had my original radiator ecored with a modern core. Also make certain to block your horn oles. With that combination of upgrades, I can idle or run at highway peeds all day long in the humid 100 degree Mid-Atlantic summer heat ith the engine running right at the thermostat setting. Check out the ech tips on the TE/AE website http://teae.org/category/tech-tips/temperature/> for more details. -Randy MAURO D'ANGELO wrote: I've been trying to figure out which fan to buy to improve the cooling of my engine. I know there was a fan with part number C9DZ-8600-A that supposedly fit, but I have not found a single one for sale. Are there other fans out there that would fit the stock Tiger setup? I once heard something about a Volvo fan, but don't know. What are the specifications I should be looking for? Any advice would be highly appreciated! Mauro _______________________________________________ Randy Smith NNER QUEST, Inc. 4752 Charles Town Pike urcellville, VA 20132 03-478-1078 40-668-6699 40-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com SSmithIQ@cs.com iger- B382000189 You are subscribed as phastphill@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 17:52:20 2010 From: MAURO D'ANGELO To: , Bill Waite Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:51:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better than Good to know. With original tooling, modern metallurgical expertise, and DOT safety certification and design, one has to seriously wonder if the new wheels make more sense. In the eyes of show judges, is there a way to tell the original wheels from the reproduction wheels? On 1/30/10 7:43 PM, "garywinblad@comcast.net" wrote: > The SS wheels are made from the ORIGINAL tooling, so they look the same. > They are made with a much better casting process and/or material so they > are not as porous so they hold air and they hold their shine. In Bill's > photos, > the ones on the right are not as shiny as SS wheels at their worst. If you > take > a few minutes with wheel polish they can look like mirrors. > Also, the machining of the inside (not visible when tires are mounted) is to > 1990's DOT specs (not sure but IIRC there is slight raised bead that retains > a flat tire better) so they are safer from a tire retention viewpoint as well > as > the better casting/material. I guess you know what kind of wheels I have on > my car! > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Waite > To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, tigers@autox.team.net, J D Johnson > Sent: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 00:16:57 +0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better > thanOriginals??? > > The photos below show four of the original LAT 70 wheels. The two on the > right have been polished, the two on the left have not been finished. These > wheels were used for many years by the former owner of my Mark I (I > purchased the car in 1979... these wheels removed in 1980 and never used > since). Two of the photos show the markings on the underside of the wheel > (plus "PATENT PENDING" is also there). These wheels are for sale if anyone > is interested in the original ones for a car being restored with original > parts. I believe the Sunbeam Specialties wheels are the same "design" but > larger diameter, etc for bigger than original tires, etc. > > http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/LAT70WHEELS.JPG > > http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/IMG_0032(2).JPG > > http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/IMG_0031(2).JPG > > http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/IMG_0029(2).JPG > > Regards, > > Bill Waite > Grand Rapids, MI > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as m_dangelo@verizon.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 17:55:34 2010 From: David T Johnson To: tigers@autox.team.net, MAURO D'ANGELO Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:55:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better than I Think the broken LAT-70's are a lot of scare tactics I do believe it may be an issue for racing, but not for street use. The big issue is the original LAT-70 did not have the Fed required safety bead. My LAT-9's have the same problem. Mounting a tire and getting it to seal can be a problem. But that's why God made inner tubes. I don't remember anybody racing LAT 70's or LAT-9's. When I raced I used JAP Magnas other used Mini Lites with tubes I believe Spencer used Halibrands. Why use a 13 inch wheel now. Tires are difficult to obtain. Listers have said what they are using. Dave - Go Colts !!!! --- On Sat, 1/30/10, MAURO D'ANGELO wrote: From: MAURO D'ANGELO Subject: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better than Originals??? To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 1:09 PM Hi everyone! I'm hoping buy a set of original LAT-70 wheels for my '66 Mark 1A (B382001355LRXFE) (TAC #709). Since I emailed my interest to listers, I've had several tell me that repro wheels are better, and much safer, than the original LAT wheels. One explained to me that I should think hard about spending money on originals and this is why a couple of sets of original wheels sold for well under $1000 this past summer (no one wanted them???)...something about the originals not meeting DOT specs because they can crack and disintegrate at speed? Can you imagine? Is this just an "old wives tale, or is there really truth to it? What are your thoughts about this? I don't really like the idea of having new parts on a classic car, and I really prefer original equipment to repro, but I guess safety is king. I can't imagine "investing" such money on essentially unusable collector items that will end up just taking up space on a shelf. Thanks for your opinions! Mauro You are subscribed as djoh797014@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 19:00:41 2010 From: Bob Diehl To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:59:52 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better than Looks like racing on original LATs to me. http://sjnm6a.bay.livefilestore.com/y1puuy65XMaBrUPS7rqur5sgIbRSty4oAunslhKuFihA636fXQY9BHR1q8ql00ieHJoQkuuZgZJcOVutLAF2XJt9Il4F36m2Wwa/vancouver-autoshow-mk1A-racer-480.jpg bob_diehl At 04:55 PM 1/30/2010, David T Johnson wrote: >I Think the broken LAT-70's are a lot of scare tactics I do believe >it may be an issue for racing, but not for street use. The big issue >is the original LAT-70 did not have the Fed required safety bead. >My LAT-9's have the same problem. Mounting a tire and getting it >to seal can be a problem. But that's why God made inner tubes. > >I don't remember anybody racing LAT 70's or LAT-9's. When I >raced I used JAP Magnas other used Mini Lites with tubes >I believe Spencer used Halibrands. > >Why use a 13 inch wheel now. Tires are difficult to obtain. >Listers have said what they are using. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 19:02:45 2010 From: "Jim & Carolyn Burruss" To: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:01:34 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better The newer LAT-70 repro wheels may well be better than the original ones; I really don't know, But here's my experience, for what it's worth. My LAT-70 wheels did not come with my car. I purchased them used from an Alpine racer. They still have some tire mounting machine marks, so they are not show quality. When I got them home, I mounted them on a front spindle one at a time and measured them for runout and wobble with a dial indicator. They were well within the rather liberal specs in the shop manual, which surprised me because the tire mounting surfaces are not machined like other alloy wheels. I have heard of porous alloy wheels, but I have never detected any coating on the insides of these wheels. Also interesting, the wheels seem to have been hard anodized. The polished front surfaces can be cleaned with fine steel wool; I've never seen any other aluminum wheels that would tolerate even a light rub with steel wool. Finally, I have run these wheels for well over 40 years, including some autocrossing years ago, They've never given me any trouble. Jim Burruss Harvest, Alabama _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 19:44:49 2010 From: Theo Smit To: MAURO D'ANGELO Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:43:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better than Some tire shops may refuse to mount tires on wheels that don't have a safety bead. The main thing about the reproduction LAT wheels is that they are available (you can get a matching replacement should something bad happen), they are made better than the original, you can get matching spinners, and they probably won't cost you any more than finding a set of "original" LAT wheels. The visual difference between original and reproduction LAT wheels mostly has to do with the diameter of the center hub extension and the matching spinner. From 5 feet away even the experts will have a tough time, and it is not an issue from a valuation or overall authenticity standpoint. I would sell you mine (not original) but firstly you wouldn't want to pay the shipping from up here, and secondly I happen to have one of the short production run where the mag-nut holes were machined oversize at the time they were manufactured, and I haven't gotten around to making some sleeve inserts to correct that problem. I don't know how many sets of those are around but you don't want them, unless they've been fixed properly. Cheers, Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 21:17:00 2010 From: Mark Burnett <2mbb@sbcglobal.net> To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:16:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Six Blade Cooling Fan I purchased a six blade (non-flex) Derale fan from National Parts Depot for $35 (Derale p/n 17315). It is a 15" diameter fan and looks like the period fans. I'm pretty sure it cleared my steering rack, but the blade pitch was such that it would not clear my aluminum radiator. So I had to take it off. If you are interested in this installed-but-never-used fan let me know. mbb. I've been trying to figure out which fan to buy to improve the cooling of my engine. I know there was a fan with part number C9DZ-8600-A that supposedly fit, but I have not found a single one for sale. Are there other fans out there that would fit the stock Tiger setup? I once heard something about a Volvo fan, but don't know. What are the specifications I should be looking for? Any advice would be highly appreciated! Mauro _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 22:23:54 2010 From: Amberly Chamberlain To: Dave Munroe , Jeff Howarth Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:23:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? or LAT ? Just installed one of these hoods and fit and finish is good. cheers frank --- On Sat, 1/30/10, Jeff Howarth wrote: From: Jeff Howarth Subject: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? or LAT ? To: "Dave Munroe" Cc: tigers@autox.team.net, WHIZZZBANG13@aol.com, MWood24020@aol.com Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 8:20 AM For those in CA an alternative is the dual skin Fiberglass LAT bonnets that Brad Kaplan has. He has some more arriving in about 10 day from me in the UK. If interested contact Brad at bradkaplan2723@yahoo.com regards Jeff In message <39C935A1975946C79BFEE58812BC60FE@DavePC>, Dave Munroe writes >I bought mine from Steve on eBay Buy-it-now for $185.00 in 2003. > >Dave >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >---------------------------- > > >Does anyone know if Steve still has the scoops available and what he wants >for them? > >Fred Baum >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as jeff@v8tiger.demon.co.uk > >Tigers@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > -- Jeff Howarth You are subscribed as amberlychamberlain@sbcglobal.net Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 30 22:26:05 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:25:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] ebay seller I know we have a fastphil listed amongest our members. I cant imangine this being him with a 1 as feedback. I havent hidden the fact I have no use for sellers who profit on shipping. I posted the following to this seller. so this will fit my 289 engines bellhousing?Ist it made of aluminum? Your shipping is outrageous. Your bellhousing- the arm should be sold with it-since it came on the bellhousing an it wont fit all 289s- just 5 bolts. Ive never seen anyone ask so much for shipping- no need to send a response, I wont be bidding any of your auctions. We have a fastphil amongest our owners group- it cant be the same he would know better- I will post your auctions to our members, so none of them will miss your outrageous prices- U know the post office has some boxes that U can ship up to 70lbs. in- bigger the box the higher the cost- all cheaper than any of yours. I willl make you a plate lunch if I lived close enough- U must be starving. TtT IF this is our phil, Im sorry- not for what I said or pointing out the outrgeous charges. Im certain it is a person that we dont know. I hope no one needs any of this sellers parts to be willing to pay his charges. Some things are just wrong. IMO at least. THANKS for letting me vent! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 31 07:55:05 2010 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:54:20 EST Subject: [Tigers] Have Derale 15" fan Hello, When I had my 260 rebuilt a short time ago, I first bought a 15" Derale but finally used a 13" with an electric pusher. I have a 15" in a box sitting downstairs. I'd like to get 1/2 of what Summit sells them for now. And an Edelbrock water pump, in a box, brand new. I used a stock one. Half Summit price. I hate e-bay. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 31 09:36:19 2010 From: David T Johnson To: tigers@autox.team.net, Bob Diehl Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:35:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better than Bob I stand corrected, That sure looks like LAT-70's to me. Perhaps the restorer replaced original race wheels with them. I was lucky just to afford, let alone tires. Ly JAP Magnas were better than their driver. Dave --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Bob Diehl wrote: From: Bob Diehl Subject: Re: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better than Originals??? To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:59 AM Looks like racing on original LATs to me. http://sjnm6a.bay.livefilestore.com/y1puuy65XMaBrUPS7rqur5sgIbRSty4oAunslhKuF ihA636fXQY9BHR1q8ql00ieHJoQkuuZgZJcOVutLAF2XJt9Il4F36m2Wwa/vancouver-autoshow -mk1A-racer-480.jpg bob_diehl At 04:55 PM 1/30/2010, David T Johnson wrote: >I Think the broken LAT-70's are a lot of scare tactics I do believe >it may be an issue for racing, but not for street use. The big issue >is the original LAT-70 did not have the Fed required safety bead. >My LAT-9's have the same problem. Mounting a tire and getting it >to seal can be a problem. But that's why God made inner tubes. > >I don't remember anybody racing LAT 70's or LAT-9's. When I >raced I used JAP Magnas other used Mini Lites with tubes >I believe Spencer used Halibrands. > >Why use a 13 inch wheel now. Tires are difficult to obtain. >Listers have said what they are using. You are subscribed as djoh797014@yahoo.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 31 09:41:56 2010 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, todbrown@roadrunner.com, AAAGLASSS@aol.com, Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:41:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 66 or 67? Funny but I hae a 65 titled car built in Jul 65 according to BON. but my chassis number is way off yours near the end of Mk1 at 9473720 ---- jhef101@aol.com wrote: > This probably fits better under this threadline, so it is a dual post. > > > I dunno, I have a '65 according to Norm and the Book but it says '64 on the > title. What do I have? The title kinda defines the year doesn't it? > > > Jeff Hefner > B9470028 > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tod Brown > To: tigers@autox.team.net; AAAGLASSS@aol.com > Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:21 pm > Subject: [Tigers] 66 or 67? > > > I am in the same category as a couple of others here who have reported Tigers > that were manufactured in 1966 but titled as a 1967. In my case, I bought my > Tiger new in October of 1966 (it came off the Jensen line in August) but the > powers that be at the New York DMV decided it was to be titled as a 1967 and > it has always said so on my registration. When I and my Tiger moved to Maine, > I presented the NY registration at the Maine DMV and they registered it as a > 1967. I guess I could have objected, but, then again, you probably have never > waited in line at the Maine DMV. Net result, I have a 1967 MkIA Sunbeam Tiger > which carries the license plate 67Tiger to tick the purists off even more. We > could have the same argument about a couple of Tiger II's that I have seen or > heard of over the years that were title as 1968's and everybody knows there > were none built that year. To me, the year is not the important thing, it is > whether it is a MkIA or a MkII. What you call things doesn't matter too much, > it seems to me. It is the essence of the object that matters. Of course, > having come by my surname by way of what genealogists call a "non-paternal > event" some 200 years ago, I am probably prejudiced. > > Cheers, > > Tod Brown (conceived 1940, born in 1941) > B382002384LRXFE > You are subscribed as jhef101@aol.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten@ca.rr.com > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 31 10:18:53 2010 From: Jeffrey Nichols To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:18:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Yearly Confusion All this talk of what year Tiger you may have seems academic because Rootes didn't have model years like other car makers did (or do). Rootes only built and sold MKI and MKII Tigers with no model year designation. On Facebook there is a Sunbeam Tiger page (161 members and growing) with a copy of a Tiger invoice and no model year is listed. The DMV title for my car has it as a 1966 Rootes Roadster and my car was built in October of 1964. I suppose there are 1969 MKII Tigers out there if other DMVs operate with the same logic. In Michigan you can put period license plates on a old car as long as the plates match the year on the title. So my car has 1966 Michigan license plates even though it was built in 1964. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 31 10:46:24 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:43:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] ebay seller I suppose my email to the seller did some good as he has reduced his shipping cost on some items. I dont want him to loose money but the bellhousing is now $15 and I think it will cost more but his shifter boot ring starts at $15 and shipping is $15. Im not sure what SS sells one for but $30 minimum will surely get a person close. I also received an email from a friend who investigated and this fastphilsparts are in no way connected to OUR fastphil- two different people. Im very gald to be able to say that as I dont want to ever make a good guy look bad, specially one of US. Im sure this seller is just new to ebay and since ebay has made you put a cost in the shipping area everyone hasnt learned to say that shiiping will be at cost and be determined after the auction closes. Cheers, TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 31 11:12:10 2010 From: drmayf To: Jeffrey Nichols Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:11:41 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Yearly Confusion Jeff, mine also. Born in October 1964, sold and titled in 1966 in Ventura, Ca. It is a 1966 according to them. Mine was also titled as a Rootes Roadster.. subesequent moves to other states had that corrected. Reckon our cars are littermates? ....1136 is mine... mayf Jeffrey Nichols wrote: >All this talk of what year Tiger you may have seems academic because Rootes >didn't have model years like other car makers did (or do). Rootes only built >and sold MKI and MKII Tigers with no model year designation. On Facebook >there is a Sunbeam Tiger page (161 members and growing) with a copy of a Tiger >invoice and no model year is listed. >The DMV title for my car has it as a 1966 Rootes Roadster and my car was >built in October of 1964. I suppose there are 1969 MKII Tigers out there if >other DMVs operate with the same logic. > > In Michigan you can put period license plates on a old car as long as the >plates match the year on the title. So my car has 1966 Michigan license >plates even though it was built in 1964. > > > Jeff >_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 31 13:17:11 2010 From: PhastPhill@aol.com To: achd73@yahoo.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:40:04 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay seller Not me, I don't sell anything, probably should be on the show hoarders _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 31 13:17:28 2010 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:15:45 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] Yearly Confusion If I found a Tiger with lost paper work and had to re-title it would it be a 2010?? I'll stick with Norms list of #'s. In a message dated 1/31/2010 10:12:00 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, drmayf@mayfco.com writes: Jeff, mine also. Born in October 1964, sold and titled in 1966 in Ventura, Ca. It is a 1966 according to them. Mine was also titled as a Rootes Roadster.. subesequent moves to other states had that corrected. Reckon our cars are littermates? ....1136 is mine... mayf Jeffrey Nichols wrote: >All this talk of what year Tiger you may have seems academic because Rootes >didn't have model years like other car makers did (or do). Rootes only built >and sold MKI and MKII Tigers with no model year designation. On Facebook >there is a Sunbeam Tiger page (161 members and growing) with a copy of a Tiger >invoice and no model year is listed. >The DMV title for my car has it as a 1966 Rootes Roadster and my car was >built in October of 1964. I suppose there are 1969 MKII Tigers out there if >other DMVs operate with the same logic. > > In Michigan you can put period license plates on a old car as long as the >plates match the year on the title. So my car has 1966 Michigan license >plates even though it was built in 1964. > > > Jeff >_______________________________________________ You are subscribed as aaaglasss@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 31 13:33:37 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:33:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re: ebay seller --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay seller To: PhastPhill@aol.com Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 2:29 PM Thanks Phil- there was a search done. I know it wasnt you . This guy even spelled his user name as fastphil. I didnt want to insult you but I did want LISTERS to be aware. He did lower some of his shipping fees- which may make me look like the bad guy but it shows what time it was it just doesnt say what he did as ther had been no bids. Cheers, Tony Not me, I don't sell anything, probably should be on the show hoarders _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 31 14:11:21 2010 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:10:40 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Yearly Confusion July 28, 1964 build with a model year of 1965 (which is typical). I believe the registration just says "Sunbeam." My Tiger has a history of Colorado (not sure before that) to New Mexico to the San Diego area. When it came to Calif. it got registered under the JAL number not the B947-X number. It would be interesting to see a tally of make/model name variations, build/model year mis-matches, registration ID variations (I recall some saying their engine ID was used???). Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 31 14:20:38 2010 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:19:55 EST Subject: [Tigers] Kissimmee Auction Tiger A report on the Mecum auction in Kissimmee. The hopped up Tiger with the Ford crate, NOS and auto tranny didn't sell. The auction allows reserves and the Tiger didn't break reserve. I jotted down $32,500 as the final bid, but I think that was from the owner. I think the last official bid was $25,000. I think the $32,500 was the reserve price. A few things hurt the price....the car was at the tail end of Saturday night and only about 20% of the bidders remained. The auction was running about an hour late so the Tiger didn't get on until 10:30 PM. I think some of the modifications didn't help the price......auto tranny, luggage rack on trunk, space behind seats filled with some huge type of black structure of amps and speakers. The car was pretty well done, had a nice hard top, but all of the tough parts were missing....air filter, fan shroud, oil filter set-up, brake booster, etc. The owner said he thought that he had a lot of the parts. He's going to contact me if he finds them so I can pass the info on to listers. The car appeared to be very much a Tiger, but it was a little dark in the tent at 5:00PM. The vin was B9472455. And yes, the rivets looked very real:-) Mark L _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 31 14:46:01 2010 From: "Wayne-MSN" To: Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:43:00 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] LAT-70 Wheel - Maintenance Regarding maintenance of the LAT-70 wheels. When Larry Paulick and I were restoring our 'beams, Larry fabricated a novel assembly to polish Lat-70 wheels. It consisted of a home-made Lazy Susan turntable to which the wheel was mounted. An arm extending from the base of the turntable held an old washing machine motor with a small pulley. A belt was fitted over the wheel/pulley turning the wheel. A polishing wheel was then fitted to a hand drill and everything put in motion. Wheel pulley \ / |_____|____|________belt_______________=== | | | __|__ / | \ | | ================== | | motor ==================---------------------/ ______ ^ ^ ^ Lazy Susan arm hinge The polished wheels looked great! I have never had trouble with excessive aluminum porosity leading to air loss (have had the wheels since 1974). However, if this is a problem, one might consider coating the tire-facing side of the rim with Glyptal. Cheers, Wayne _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 31 15:02:07 2010 From: MAURO D'ANGELO To: Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:01:40 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Pulley Part Number All, I need the part number of the Tiger pulleys, mainly the lower one by the balancer. We're trying to figure out if the one we have is from a Tiger or some other car. The part has a number C40E and under that is A1. Does this sound like it is the right one? Thanks. Mauro _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 31 15:18:43 2010 From: Chris Thompson To: Thomas Witt Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:16:30 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Yearly Confusion B382000331 is registered as a 1966 Make:Rootes Model:Roadster. In VA, to get it changed, you have to pay a DMV inspector to come and look at it. I figure when my executor has to sell the car, I he can put it up on ebay as the only Rootes Roadster ever made and have the title to prove it. Thomas Witt wrote: > > > It would be interesting to see a tally of make/model name variations, > build/model year mis-matches, registration ID variations (I recall > some saying their engine ID was used???). _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 31 15:20:30 2010 From: Theo Smit To: MAURO D'ANGELO Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:20:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Pulley Part Number MAURO D'ANGELO wrote: > All, I need the part number of the Tiger pulleys, mainly the lower one by > the balancer. We're trying to figure out if the one we have is from a Tiger > or some other car. The part has a number C40E and under that is A1. Does > this sound like it is the right one? Thanks. Mauro > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tsmit@shaw.ca > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > You'll know if it's right, by how close it comes to wiping out the steering rack tube. It should only have one sheave, and about 1" offset from the balancer flange to the center of the sheave. Its outer diameter is about 5.5 or 6 inches. Most other Ford pulleys have a deeper offset and they won't leave enough clearance between the rack tube and the pulley. The correct one allows you to remove the water pump belt without having to crush it (too much) between the rack and the pulley. Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 31 15:33:26 2010 From: MAURO D'ANGELO To: Theo Smit Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:32:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Pulley Part Number Hi. The problem is that another lister has a pulley for me but is not sure it's the right one. So the only way to know is trial and error? I was hoping there would be a part number to be able to verify before shipping and trying it out... Anyone? I tried to measure the one in my stock Tiger with the engine still installed, and it seemed more like 7 inches, but this is probably wrong because it was nearly impossible to get to. Thanks. Mauro On 1/31/10 5:20 PM, "Theo Smit" wrote: > MAURO D'ANGELO wrote: >> All, I need the part number of the Tiger pulleys, mainly the lower one by >> the balancer. We're trying to figure out if the one we have is from a Tiger >> or some other car. The part has a number C40E and under that is A1. Does >> this sound like it is the right one? Thanks. Mauro >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as tsmit@shaw.ca >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> > You'll know if it's right, by how close it comes to wiping out the > steering rack tube. It should only have one sheave, and about 1" offset > from the balancer flange to the center of the sheave. Its outer diameter > is about 5.5 or 6 inches. Most other Ford pulleys have a deeper offset > and they won't leave enough clearance between the rack tube and the > pulley. The correct one allows you to remove the water pump belt without > having to crush it (too much) between the rack and the pulley. > > Theo _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 31 15:35:15 2010 From: "hanjan2" To: , "Thomas Witt" Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:34:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Yearly Confusion Chris, You're not the only one. I have a Florida registered 1967 Rootes Roadster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Thompson" To: "Thomas Witt" Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Yearly Confusion > B382000331 is registered as a 1966 Make:Rootes Model:Roadster. In VA, > to get it changed, you have to pay a DMV inspector to come and look at > it. I figure when my executor has to sell the car, I he can put it up > on ebay as the only Rootes Roadster ever made and have the title to > prove it. > > Thomas Witt wrote: >> >> >> It would be interesting to see a tally of make/model name variations, >> build/model year mis-matches, registration ID variations (I recall >> some saying their engine ID was used???). > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as hanjan2@bellsouth.net > > Tigers@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 31 16:07:51 2010 From: Theo Smit To: MAURO D'ANGELO Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:07:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Pulley Part Number You might find this doc of interest: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/2-AF-EngineMotor.pdf There is a better scan (but without the Ford numbers) at Anyway, your part number is Rootes: 6100031 Ford: C4JZ-6312-A. It will be tough to find this part number in any Ford catalogue, but you might find a similar-enough part on other mid to late 60's Fords. Theo MAURO D'ANGELO wrote: > Hi. The problem is that another lister has a pulley for me but is not sure > it's the right one. So the only way to know is trial and error? I was _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 31 17:50:26 2010 From: michael king To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 11:50:00 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Club Victoria Display 2010 The sunbeam club of victoria had its show at federation square on sunday. We had 39 sunbeams and 16 rootes vehicles.. a strong showing. some pics of the day: http://community.webshots.com/album/576566136vncRDO http://picasaweb.google.com/Volvo740...Album?authkey= Gv1sRgCNDbqr_6-I2Sdg # -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 31 18:07:32 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'MAURO D'ANGELO'" Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:06:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Pulley Part Number Mauro The pulley on the crank C4JZ-6312-A The pulley on the water pump is C4JZ-8509-A These are the Ford part numbers you would use to order one at the parts counter and on the packaging for the part. These numbers are rarely on the part itself. The parts might have an engineering number and a date code number and generally a Ford logo. I don't have either pulley handy to examine for markings. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:32 PM To: Theo Smit Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Pulley Part Number Hi. The problem is that another lister has a pulley for me but is not sure it's the right one. So the only way to know is trial and error? I was hoping there would be a part number to be able to verify before shipping and trying it out... Anyone? I tried to measure the one in my stock Tiger with the engine still installed, and it seemed more like 7 inches, but this is probably wrong because it was nearly impossible to get to. Thanks. Mauro On 1/31/10 5:20 PM, "Theo Smit" wrote: > MAURO D'ANGELO wrote: >> All, I need the part number of the Tiger pulleys, mainly the lower >> one by the balancer. We're trying to figure out if the one we have >> is from a Tiger or some other car. The part has a number C40E and >> under that is A1. Does this sound like it is the right one? Thanks. >> Mauro _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as tsmit@shaw.ca >> >> Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> > You'll know if it's right, by how close it comes to wiping out the > steering rack tube. It should only have one sheave, and about 1" > offset from the balancer flange to the center of the sheave. Its outer > diameter is about 5.5 or 6 inches. Most other Ford pulleys have a > deeper offset and they won't leave enough clearance between the rack > tube and the pulley. The correct one allows you to remove the water > pump belt without having to crush it (too much) between the rack and > the pulley. > > Theo You are subscribed as rfraser@bluefrog.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2655 - Release Date: 01/29/10 09:08:00 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 31 19:26:47 2010 From: jhef101@aol.com To: atwittsend@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:25:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Yearly Confusion Mine is an April '64 build, with a Florida Title now, had been Texas, MO, Vermont, Colorado, and I'm not sure where else. I think Norm has an idea of the early history maybe. Anyone else with an early Tiger and a "64 title? I thought as well that they were all titled as 65's onward. Jeff Hefner B9470028 -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Witt To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2010 4:10 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] Yearly Confusion July 28, 1964 build with a model year of 1965 (which is typical). I believe the registration just says "Sunbeam." My Tiger has a history of Colorado (not sure before that) to New Mexico to the San Diego area. When it came to Calif. it got registered under the JAL number not the B947-X number. It would be interesting to see a tally of make/model name variations, build/model year mis-matches, registration ID variations (I recall some saying their engine ID was used???). Tom _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as jhef101@aol.com Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 7 14:03:40 2010 From: Mark J Bradakis To: alpines@autox.team.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:51:37 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Membership/e-mail A subscriber on another list asked this question, I figured that the answer might be helpful to some folks on other lists. And on a side note, for those of you who might be on some other Team.Net lists,you may have noticed I've been starting to add to the message trailer. Below the donate link [ http://www.team.net/donate.html ] I've added a suggested annual donation amount. For example, on the team-thicko list which is about Sprites, $9.48. Spitfires gets the displacement of the original motor, $11.47. I wonder what I should do for Tigers and Alpines? $2.60? $17.25? mjb. > I would like to suspend myself from receiving list e-mail for an undefined > time, probably 90 days due to some surgery. Can you help me? 1. Click on the link at the bottom of this message, the mailman/listinfo one. 2. In the subscriber section, enter your email address and list password. 3. Realize that you should have kept a copy of the monthly reminder with your list password. 4. Delete your address from the first box and enter it into the box labeled 'Unsubscribe or Edit options" and click on the button. 5. Click on the password reminder button. 6. When the reminder message arrives, click on the link, pasting in your newly arrived password. 7. Go down to the 'Mail Delivery' section of the subscription options. 8. Click on the 'disabled' button. 9. Go down to the bottom of the page and click on 'Submit my changes' 10. Getting mail flowing again is the same procedure, except obviously you would click on the 'enable' button. On a side note, this is a handy procedure if you use more than one email address. You can subscribe, say, both your home address and your work address, and set only one of them to enable. Having the other address subscribed will keep messages you send from that address from getting bounced as non-member spam, but you won't get multiple copies of each list message. Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums