From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 1 00:10:12 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: Carmods@aol.com, wsamouce Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 23:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] throw out bearing noise?? Duke you could get grease in front of the clutch but you would have to over pump a ton to get enough to get between the TO bearing and the clutch and pressure plate- any excess should be removable if what I was told there is room wise- a squirt every 10k miles should last a year. I havent checked to see if there is room to run a hose out the clutch arm hole, so that greasing would be much easier. They run hose out for hydraulic TO bearing, so a hose should work fine. I will know in time and Ive learned other things to check IF anyone who has had TO bearings making noise, contact me and we can discuss the possibilities of why the TO bearing is making a noise. Tom explained several things that might cause the noise and they all made sense. I LOVE my Tiger. TtT --- On Mon, 5/31/10, wsamouce wrote: From: wsamouce Subject: RE: [Tigers] throw out bearing noise?? To: "'Tony Somebody'" , Carmods@aol.com Cc: "'Beamclub'" Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 8:02 PM I think that the zerk to grease the TO bearing is a perfect way to sling grease on your clutch. I would not do it. Is there a super heavy-duty Ford racing TOB? Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 6:18 PM To: Carmods@aol.com Cc: Beamclub Subject: Re: [Tigers] throw out bearing noise?? John- the knee has plenty of play but I like the zerk idea, now instead of grease I need a substance to take up the slack in the knee.Maybe some blue silicone that will setup but be pliable enough to allow use. A zerk on the TO bearing is a great idea . I'm told old Ford ones had a zerk and Dave Munroe has checked and reports that there is room to get a hose or tube and fitting thru the clutch arm hole to grease the bearing. I'm planning on starting at a Ford dealership, then the Mustang guys to try to find an old type. I plan on calling Tom Hall tonight as I'm told he recommends a Centerforce TO bearing and I know he has a good reason and too there was a part number, so it might be one that is hydraulic and does away with our slave cylinder. I will know later. THANKS for the kneezerk idea. LOL TtT --- On Mon, 5/31/10, Carmods@aol.com wrote: From: Carmods@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] throw out bearing noise?? To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 1:15 PM To, TonytheTiger, To eliminate the noise, you can drill and tap it with a 1/8 pipe tap and insert a Zerk fitting. Then give it a few shots of grease. That's for the knee problem of course. John Logan _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wsamouce@kc.rr.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 1 07:25:15 2010 From: Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com To: drmayf@mayfco.com Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:24:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 233 No problem. :') You do raise an interesting point though. British cars (like my MGA) have a carbon- faced bearing that wears - not a bearing at all in the conventional sense. However, the same issue of contact and excessive wear would exist. I do know that the clutch hydraulics were designed to allow backflow of fluid - perhaps bearing contact was the reason for this? In any case, I can see that the Tiger release bearing WOULD benefit from using a spring. Paul drmayf wrote on 05/31/2010 05:23:57 PM: > Paul, let me chime in here on your thread... no criticism of your > message... > > Cars from teh era of our Sunbeams had mechanical clutch actuation > schemes. her was a cross bar with a couple of levers and a big return > spring. Clutches were adjusted so that the clutch pedal has a bit if > free play at teh foot. Not much but always some. That was to keep the > throwout bearing from riding continously on the clutch forks. Our throw > out bearing were not intended to runn on teh clutch fingers full time. > Now along comes Sunbeam and probably others. They used the hydraulic > clutch actuation system because getting a mechanical clap trap to work > would heva been difficult at best. So hydraulic was really good for > making them work. But, the hydraulic versions keep teh throw out bearing > surface in constant contact with the clutch fingers. Thats why they > wore out and make lots of racket in teh olden days. I had to replace > mine a time or two and indeed every time I had the engine out, I changed > that sucker. Todays clutches and throw out bearings generally have a > higher tolerance for running in full contact. So if replacing, try and > get a hydraulic throwout bearing designed to run in full contact all the > time. Ditto for the clutch fingers. And you'll be a happier camper... > > mayf > > Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com wrote: > > >Hydraulic clutch slaves are self-adjusting and a return spring is not > >needed (at least that's what other British cars do). The piston moves up > >the bore as the clutch wears. So just fit a pushrod that almost bottoms > >out the piston to start. > > > >Paul > > > > > > > >>Subject: [Tigers] Clutch cylinder rod adjustment > >>There's been lots of talk about throwout bearings. I wonder... > >> > >>Is there a problem with the clutch master cylinder or slave cylinder? > >> > >>The original slave push rod in my Tiger was a cut off carriage bolt. > >> > >> > >When I > > > > > >>replaced the clutch the first time it lasted less than a year. My theory > >> > >> > >at > > > > > >>the time (1984) was the slave cylinder was sticking, so I installed a > >>"return spring" on the pivot arm. It worked until the car was > >>"de-comissioned" around 1995. Now that I'm in the process of restoring > >> > >> > >the > > > > > >>car I bought the proper push rod from Rick at SS. To my surprise, it's > >>adjustable! A good thing except.... there is no mention of the > >> > >> > >adjustment in > > > > > >>the workshop manual. > >> > >>So.... any thoughts on adjusting the clutch push rod? My inclination is > >> > >> > >to > > > > > >>lengthen the rod until the slave cylinder piston is pushed back as far > >> > >> > >as it > > > > > >>will go. but I may run out of threads before that. The next alternative > >> > >> > >is > > > > > >>to adjust the rod for proper clutch engagement (starts to engage a bit > >> > >> > >off > > > > > >>the floor, fully engaged with pedal "slack" travel at the top. About the > >>same as with my '57 Ford in 1963. > >> > >>A bit of guidance will be much appreciated. I have no desire to pull the > >>engine again. > >> > >>Tom > >>'67 Tiger 2 > >> > >> > >_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 1 08:38:31 2010 From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" To: Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com,drmayf@mayfco.com Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 09:29:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Tigers_Digest=2C_Vol_4=2C_Issue_233?= The carbon faced to's were not designed to have the car in gear during long stops (like stop lights). You were supposed to select neutral, and take your foot off the clutch. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com Date: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 08:24 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 233 To: Cc: No problem. :') You do raise an interesting point though. British cars (like my MGA) have a carbon- faced bearing that wears - not a bearing at all in the conventional sense. However, the same issue of contact and excessive wear would exist. I do know that the clutch hydraulics were designed to allow backflow of fluid - perhaps bearing contact was the reason for this? In any case, I can see that the Tiger release bearing WOULD benefit from using a spring. Paul drmayf wrote on 05/31/2010 05:23:57 PM: > Paul, let me chime in here on your thread... no criticism of your > message... > > Cars from teh era of our Sunbeams had mechanical clutch actuation > schemes. her was a cross bar with a couple of levers and a big return > spring. Clutches were adjusted so that the clutch pedal has a bit if > free play at teh foot. Not much but always some. That was to keep the > throwout bearing from riding continously on the clutch forks. Our throw > out bearing were not intended to runn on teh clutch fingers full time. > Now along comes Sunbeam and probably others. They used the hydraulic > clutch actuation system because getting a mechanical clap trap to work > would heva been difficult at best. So hydraulic was really good for > making them work. But, the hydraulic versions keep teh throw out bearing > surface in constant contact with the clutch fingers. Thats why they > wore out and make lots of racket in teh olden days. I had to replace > mine a time or two and indeed every time I had the engine out, I changed > that sucker. Todays clutches and throw out bearings generally have a > higher tolerance for running in full contact. So if replacing, try and > get a hydraulic throwout bearing designed to run in full contact all the > time. Ditto for the clutch fingers. And you'll be a happier camper... > > mayf > > Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com wrote: > > >Hydraulic clutch slaves are self-adjusting and a return spring is not > >needed (at least that's what other British cars do). The piston moves up > >the bore as the clutch wears. So just fit a pushrod that almost bottoms > >out the piston to start. > > > >Paul > > > > > > > >>Subject: [Tigers] Clutch cylinder rod adjustment > >>There's been lots of talk about throwout bearings. I wonder... > >> > >>Is there a problem with the clutch master cylinder or slave cylinder? > >> > >>The original slave push rod in my Tiger was a cut off carriage bolt. > >> > >> > >When I _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 1 09:45:40 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: Mikw Scheiner Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Bring a Trailer daily mail --- On Tue, 6/1/10, Bring a Trailer wrote: From: Bring a Trailer Subject: Bring a Trailer daily mail To: "Tony Somebody" Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 7:04 AM Wild Hilo Nights: bLightly Rolledb 1966 Sunbeam Tiger The seller of this 1966 Sunbeam Tiger tells many interesting details surrounding the carbs condition, but also manages to leave out some of the juiciest tidbits. He apparently bought the car from Chequered Flag in 2003, drove it to Las Vegas that night, and then continued to sort out some quirks. Next we hear, the car is in Hawaii, was rolled, was disassembled, and there is still sugar cane jammed between the wheels and tires on the driver side! What on earth happened to this Tiger? Find the projecthere on eBay In Hilo, Hawaii with a low bid and a $9k Buy-It-Now. Continue reading at Bring a Trailer B; Mechanically Done: 1951 Crosley Pick-Up Project Crosley vehicles are weird items, and the pick-up variant pegs the weirdness meter even more quickly, but this 1951 project has some appeal considering all of the mechanical work is completed. The engine, frame, and suspension all look to be brand new, and the new owner will need to pick a paint color and purchase a new wiring harness. Find ithere on Craigslist in Placerville, California for $4k. Special thanks to BaT reader Joe M. for this submission! Continue reading at Bring a Trailer B; BaT Success Story: Sunbeam Imp Finds a Family bHi, Ibm the one that bought the Sunbeam Imp listed on Bring a Trailer several months ago. I just wanted to send you an update and a couple photos of the Imp with itbs new stable siblings! As you can see Ibve already started to turn the Imp into a replica rally car by adding period lucas and ray-dot fog and driving lights to the front. Soon, itbll get a full rally roll cage installed with 5 point seat belts, new green carpet from the UK, and also a complete set of Smiths engine auxiliary drivers gauges! Ibm also on the look out for a correct period cable driven Halda rally computer and other bits to make this into a great vintage rally car! Ibm super happy with the Imp and now after several months of ownership Ibve worked out the bugs from it sitting for months and itbs now running and driving very well! The engine is a strong runner (for a 900 cc aluminum lump in the rear) and this car always attracts tons of attention when Ibm out with it. Itbs amazing! I get complements and bthumbs upb both from 16-year-olds and 65-year-olds alike! Few have ever seen an Imp in person and everyone think itsb the cutest car ever! Ibm very happy I found it on Bring-a-trailer! Thanks so much for having such a great web site and keep up the good work of finding cool and unique vintage cars! Best Regards, Frank H. White Salmon, WA It was finally nice enough outside the other day which allowed me for the first time to bring out the Imp along with some of itbs new garage siblings, A 1985 Ferrari Testarossa, 1986 AC Autokraft Mk IV cobra, 1970 AAR cuda, 1970 383 Cuda, 1959 Austin Healey bFrogeyeb Sprite, and my 1969 Lotus Elan S4b3 Continue reading at Bring a Trailer B; This message was intended for achd73@yahoo.com. To unsubscribe, click here.Copyright 2010 Bring a Trailer, LLC _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 1 10:25:01 2010 From: Bruce MacDougall To: Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 12:14:07 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Chin Let me first say I put my Tiger back together the way I wanted...it's my driver and so far I love it. Lots of modifications, mostly out of sight, except for hood louvers which look awesome and help with cooling. Here goes and I know this will torque many of you. I hate the way the stock Tiger looks head-on. I want to do away with the bumper and find a chin spoiler/air dam. Does anyone know what might fit from another vehicle? Asking that question really didn't hurt. Thanks for the help. Bruce _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 1 11:23:35 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Bruce MacDougall , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 12:14:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Chin Not saying you should do this, but I saw a SN95 Mustang (I think) with one of these style noses grafted onto it last weekend. http://www.veilside.com/index.php?act=products&id=24 There are quite a few different approaches people have taken with the Tiger front end. The 'classic' look would be to get a piece of aluminum and make an angled lip spoiler to attach to the lower valence, like what Mustangs, Camaros and Challengers of the era used. You could cut out the piece of sheetmetal that divides the lower valence opening and make a single, larger opening in the lower valence; or else cut out the entire center valence panel and have one big snoot like the Cobra. Maybe Stephen Waybright can re-post a link to his picture? For some approaches you have to do something about the step in the valence below the headlights. One guy built split bumpers and that didn't look too bad, but then you have to modify the way they're attached (need more than one bolt per corner). Cheers, Theo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 1 12:08:56 2010 From: J D Johnson To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 10:58:35 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Chin As they say, "to each his own". http://sqvqdg.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pIfZ3cJahF8MR3fF4OlapdyqkhJTdwKxCllblsbxs6DEFsgR9Vk40dHWG_DwRIEkPZlH4SsWVW6mh4HPvD8uB4sH5cPxHXNGV/custom-0003.jpg JD At 09:14 AM 6/1/2010, Bruce MacDougall wrote: >Let me first say I put my Tiger back together the way I wanted...it's my >driver and so far I love it. Lots of modifications, mostly out of sight, >except for hood louvers which look awesome and help with cooling. > >Here goes and I know this will torque many of you. I hate the way the stock >Tiger looks head-on. I want to do away with the bumper and find a chin >spoiler/air dam. Does anyone know what might fit from another vehicle? >Asking that question really didn't hurt. Thanks for the help. Bruce _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 1 12:41:34 2010 From: Dave Munroe To: J D Johnson , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 15:38:58 -0300 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Chin Well I have to say that if I couldn't have a 100 point concours trailer queen, (I don't!) this would be an alternative I would consider. I like it. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "J D Johnson" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Chin > As they say, "to each his own". > http://sqvqdg.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pIfZ3cJahF8MR3fF4OlapdyqkhJTdwKxCllblsbxs6DEFsgR9Vk40dHWG_DwRIEkPZlH4SsWVW6mh4HPvD8uB4sH5cPxHXNGV/custom-0003.jpg > > JD > > At 09:14 AM 6/1/2010, Bruce MacDougall wrote: >>Let me first say I put my Tiger back together the way I wanted...it's my >>driver and so far I love it. Lots of modifications, mostly out of sight, >>except for hood louvers which look awesome and help with cooling. >> >>Here goes and I know this will torque many of you. I hate the way the >>stock >>Tiger looks head-on. I want to do away with the bumper and find a chin >>spoiler/air dam. Does anyone know what might fit from another vehicle? >>Asking that question really didn't hurt. Thanks for the help. Bruce > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 1 13:54:56 2010 From: Jeffrey Nichols To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 12:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Re; Tiger Chin More chins than a Chinese phone book You could check out the Sunbeam Tiger Facebook page photo section and see what was done to AF204. This may be the look you are trying to achieve. The car has lots of body mods including a front air dam that ties in with the flared fenders. I really like the red air horns hanging from the front bumper and the side marker lights that resemble those on a big rig. Jeff At 09:14 AM 6/1/2010, Bruce MacDougall wrote: >Let me first say I put my Tiger back together the way I wanted...it's my >driver and so far I love it. Lots of modifications, mostly out of sight, >except for hood louvers which look awesome and help with cooling. > >Here goes and I know this will torque many of you. I hate the way the stock >Tiger looks head-on. I want to do away with the bumper and find a chin >spoiler/air dam. Does anyone know what might fit from another vehicle? >Asking that question really didn't hurt. Thanks for the help. Bruce _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 1 14:10:26 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 15:11:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Re; Tiger Chin Here's Bob Hokanson's car: http://www.britishv8.org/Other/BobHokanson.htm -Theo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 1 15:09:06 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 16:57:34 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds I was wondering if anyone has a strong opinion about whether a Tiger is really better off with headers versus the original cast iron exhaust manifolds. I think the obvious benefit of headers is the gain in horsepower, but the tradeoff seems to be in the added difficulty in maintaining the car, given the tight engine bay. Anyone have an opinion re? I'd like to have a set of the original manifolds that it seems everyone seems to have junked because they are so restrictive. Are there any out there and available? I'm just thinking that for me, regular manifolds might be enough... I'd like to try some out. Thanks. M _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 1 15:09:57 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 17:01:37 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Still on the hunt for a MkII Grille The subject line says it all. I still have not found a good MkII grille anywhere (I am certainly not looking in the right places). I would like to have one, whether it is a good reproduction or an original. There was one out there that was offered to me, but the vertical slats are thinner than the horizontal slats. For someone as finicky as I am, that won't do, unfortunately. Can anyone help? Thanks. M _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 1 15:41:53 2010 From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" To: "=?utf-8?B?V291bGQgVS4gQmVsaWV2ZQ==?=" Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 16:32:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Headers_versus_Cast_Iron_Exhaust_Manifolds?= Yep, the old manifold are worth -30 horses. Easy to work with, though. Esp. when you use them as boat anchors! :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Would U. Believe" Date: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 15:57 Subject: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds To: "tigers@autox.team.net" I was wondering if anyone has a strong opinion about whether a Tiger is really better off with headers versus the original cast iron exhaust manifolds. I think the obvious benefit of headers is the gain in horsepower, but the tradeoff seems to be in the added difficulty in maintaining the car, given the tight engine bay. Anyone have an opinion re? I'd like to have a set of the original manifolds that it seems everyone seems to have junked because they are so restrictive. Are there any out there and available? I'm just thinking that for me, regular manifolds might be enough... I'd like to try some out. Thanks. M _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 1 15:42:04 2010 From: Tom Parker To: "Would U. Believe" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:33:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Still on the hunt for a MkII Grille If you find one ask if they have wheel trim. I need some. Tom On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Would U. Believe wrote: > The subject line says it all. I still have not found a good MkII grille > anywhere (I am certainly not looking in the right places). I would like to > have one, whether it is a good reproduction or an original. There was one > out there that was offered to me, but the vertical slats are thinner than > the horizontal slats. For someone as finicky as I am, that won't do, > unfortunately. Can anyone help? Thanks. M > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 1 15:55:56 2010 From: Tom Parker To: "Would U. Believe" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:43:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds I just installed a set of Rick's (SS) headers. They went in with no modification, although the collectors don't quite point to the frame holes. The fit is tight, but not so tight that you can't work on the car. I had the headers ceramic coated and installed a new Ford starter. I'm expecting a performance gain. The car hasn't been started yet, so I don't know how much gain there will be. If you're running a stock (not L.A.T.) configuration the cast headers work fine. NPD and Year One (I'm sure there are others) carry them for @ $400.00. Rick's are $285 or so. If you're running a 4 BBL carb and Aluminum heads I think the headers are a must. (That's only an opinion...) As to my old manifold, it had been sorely abused. You wouldn't want it. Tom On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Would U. Believe wrote: > I was wondering if anyone has a strong opinion about whether a Tiger is > really better off with headers versus the original cast iron exhaust > manifolds. I think the obvious benefit of headers is the gain in > horsepower, but the tradeoff seems to be in the added difficulty in > maintaining the car, given the tight engine bay. Anyone have an opinion > re? > I'd like to have a set of the original manifolds that it seems everyone > seems to have junked because they are so restrictive. Are there any out > there and available? I'm just thinking that for me, regular manifolds > might > be enough... I'd like to try some out. Thanks. M > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 1 16:41:12 2010 From: Steve Laifman To: "Would U. Believe" Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 15:39:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds Hmm! You have both a Porsche 911 and a Tiger. Me too. It's my son's ambition to own every sports car I ever had, and at the same time. He is well on his way. Have sound on: *Have sound on: * < http://tigersunited.com/articles/sl-mc/SteveLaifman.asp > I also have a new set of LAT-27 Tri-Y Tiger cast headers on the shelves (as does "Mooney" (Sean Ford). They are said to add just a few horsepower, but look great. < http://tigersunited.com/resources/parts_service/pp-lat27.asp > Larry Paulick has a few words on it: < http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickExhaust/pt-PaulickExhaust1.asp > I think they would look best with either an aluminum ceramachrome finish, or the fragile black porcelainized finish, like my Jag XK120M. Do all your fit checks, hammering and grinding before the finish. Some manufacturing errors may exist on this accessory. Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com Would U. Believe wrote: > I was wondering if anyone has a strong opinion about whether a Tiger is > really better off with headers versus the original cast iron exhaust > manifolds. I think the obvious benefit of headers is the gain in > horsepower, but the tradeoff seems to be in the added difficulty in > maintaining the car, given the tight engine bay. Anyone have an opinion re? > I'd like to have a set of the original manifolds that it seems everyone > seems to have junked because they are so restrictive. Are there any out > there and available? I'm just thinking that for me, regular manifolds might > be enough... I'd like to try some out. Thanks. M _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 1 17:24:21 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Would U. Believe'" , Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 19:22:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds M The LH exhaust manifold is a Falcon part C3DZ-9431-A and maybe readily available. The RH exhaust manifold is a Tiger only part, not easily found. Ken Miles took 2 log type Ford exhaust manifolds, reversed them, ran the exhaust pipe forward then down and back, these manifolds are readily available. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Would U. Believe Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 4:58 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds I was wondering if anyone has a strong opinion about whether a Tiger is really better off with headers versus the original cast iron exhaust manifolds. I think the obvious benefit of headers is the gain in horsepower, but the tradeoff seems to be in the added difficulty in maintaining the car, given the tight engine bay. Anyone have an opinion re? I'd like to have a set of the original manifolds that it seems everyone seems to have junked because they are so restrictive. Are there any out there and available? I'm just thinking that for me, regular manifolds might be enough... I'd like to try some out. Thanks. M _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2910 - Release Date: 06/01/10 06:25:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 1 20:28:00 2010 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "Would U. Believe" , Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 22:17:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Still on the hunt for a MkII Grille Have you tried Brian Wecklich? He was in the process of making MkII grills a couple of years ago. The 2005 CAT roster has his phone number as: 714-662-1406. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Would U. Believe Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 2:02 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Still on the hunt for a MkII Grille The subject line says it all. I still have not found a good MkII grille anywhere (I am certainly not looking in the right places). I would like to have one, whether it is a good reproduction or an original. There was one out there that was offered to me, but the vertical slats are thinner than the horizontal slats. For someone as finicky as I am, that won't do, unfortunately. Can anyone help? Thanks. M _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jteepen@usatoday.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 2 08:30:50 2010 From: Larry Paulick To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 10:02:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds Besides performance, if you coat your headers with a ceramic coating, the underhood temp is reduced, as an added benefit. Larry On 6/1/10 4:57 PM, Would U. Believe wrote: > I was wondering if anyone has a strong opinion about whether a Tiger is > really better off with headers versus the original cast iron exhaust > manifolds. I think the obvious benefit of headers is the gain in > horsepower, but the tradeoff seems to be in the added difficulty in > maintaining the car, given the tight engine bay. Anyone have an opinion re? > I'd like to have a set of the original manifolds that it seems everyone > seems to have junked because they are so restrictive. Are there any out > there and available? I'm just thinking that for me, regular manifolds might > be enough... I'd like to try some out. Thanks. M > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 2 11:32:23 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] need a part I need a clutch fork for a 6 bolt bellhousing. I also have parts to trade with if you are a guy who likes to trade, etc etc. Thanks in advance. TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 2 12:43:00 2010 From: Sandy Ganz To: Tony Somebody Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] need a part Is that not a standard mustant/ford part? If it is I may have one for you Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 10:21:06 AM Subject: [Tigers] need a part I need a clutch fork for a 6 bolt bellhousing. I also have parts to trade with if you are a guy who likes to trade, etc etc. Thanks in advance. TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 3 13:09:48 2010 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:36:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds Some thoughts on exhaust headers from an old Motorhead: Our 260/289 engines were designed for mundane passenger car usage, not with high-performance in mind, so an untuned cast iron manifold was all that was required. The designers were really after cheap reliable manifolding that kept engine bay temperatures reasonable, and in the RPM range these engines were designed for a little backpressure was not a problem. The hypo cast manifolds of the time (289 Hypo, Tri-Y) were really just larger, less restrictive versions of the stock manifolds. These allowed the engine to breath a little better but did not really provide a substantial boost in power. For that you need equal-length long tube headers. Your engine is basically a pump, the faster you rev it, the higher the mass flow rate of the gases being expelled. The tubular performance header not only allows for good gas flow, it improves power output by helping to scavenge the exhaust out of each cylinder. The tube must be long enough and of the correct diameter to allow the exhaust pulse, putzing along at 250 fps, to travel without restriction into the collector. The gases then expands inside the collector but late enough that they do not interfere with the next exhaust pulse like what happens in the stock cast manifold. This allows faster and a more complete evacuation of the next firing cylinder. Header manufacturers balance header tube diameter (larger raises the torque peak, smaller lowers it) and tube length (short tube for low RPM torque, long tube for high RPM power) depending on engine configuration. Collector volume is also key, too small and you lose low-end torque. A good set of headers can add 15% to 20% more horsepower depending on how high you are willing to rev your engine. However, there are a few downsides to using tubular headers. They are by nature tuned to make power at higher RPM, so if you are running a significant amount of cam overlap you will lose torque at normal street engine RPMs. Also, headers seldom fit well, they are noisier (thin wall steel), prone to cracking, and transmit a lot more convective and radiant heat into the engine bay, which is why ceramic coatings are popular options for headers. Some headers also restrict ground clearance because the collectors are so low. So, if you really need to make serious power, go for the tubular header system. But for day-to-day practicality the original cast manifolds will be the better choice for most folks. I have used both and the last 289 I built for B382000991 uses the stock manifolds, and still over 250HP at the rear wheels. Bugz _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 3 16:38:43 2010 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 18:25:03 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Emailing: !BtKSfwQ!2k~$(KGrHqMOKjkEvOYsWMqGBL6)dCZc4Q~~_14 Could this be a Alger? The X cross member doesn't look right. _http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/1704919979 02?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/170491997902?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US _Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece) [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of !BtKSfwQ!2k~$(KGrHqMOKjkEvOYsWMqGBL6)dCZc4Q~~_14.jpg] _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 3 17:08:36 2010 From: "Tom Kukla" To: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 16:41:10 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Brake shoe spring clips Tiger Owners, I was re-doing my rear wheel cylinders and broke one of the spring clips that hold the brakes shoes to the backing plate. After trying several local sources in the Denver area, I could not find them. I decided to check with NAPA to see if they had something that would work. They did! It is NAPA #80215 and it works great. It is a little bit different than original but very close. Tom Kukla tlkukla@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 3 17:09:02 2010 From: Tom Parker To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 18:50:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Emailing: It's a Mark 2. The cross member looks o.k. to me, the right stuff is on the driver's wheel well (relay, resistor for the alternator, and it's been TAC'd (or so it seems...) Absent a personal inspection by an expert (like the TAC committee members) I'd guess it's good.... based on the images. Tom ' 67 Mark 2 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:25 PM, wrote: > Could this be a Alger? The X cross member doesn't look right. > _ > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/1704919979 > 02?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece_ > ( > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/170491997902?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US > _Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece > ) > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > !BtKSfwQ!2k~$(KGrHqMOKjkEvOYsWMqGBL6)dCZc4Q~~_14.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 3 17:23:45 2010 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: tkparker1941@gmail.com Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 18:56:12 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Emailing: Don't the exhaust pipes go through both X's. In a message dated 6/3/2010 3:50:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tkparker1941@gmail.com writes: It's a Mark 2. The cross member looks o.k. to me, the right stuff is on the driver's wheel well (relay, resistor for the alternator, and it's been TAC'd (or so it seems...) Absent a personal inspection by an expert (like the TAC committee members) I'd guess it's good.... based on the images. Tom ' 67 Mark 2 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:25 PM, <_AAAGLASSS@aol.com_ (mailto:AAAGLASSS@aol.com) > wrote: Could this be a Alger? The X cross member doesn't look right. __http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/170491997 9 02?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece__ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/1704919979 02?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece_) (_http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/170491997 902?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US _Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/170491997902?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US _Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece) ) [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of !BtKSfwQ!2k~$(KGrHqMOKjkEvOYsWMqGBL6)dCZc4Q~~_14.jpg] _______________________________________________ _Tigers@autox.team.net_ (mailto:Tigers@autox.team.net) Donate: _http://www.team.net/donate.html_ (http://www.team.net/donate.html) Archive: _http://www.team.net/archive_ (http://www.team.net/archive) Forums: _http://www.team.net/forums_ (http://www.team.net/forums) Unsubscribe/Manage: _http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com_ (http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com) _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 3 17:23:50 2010 From: Tom Parker To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 18:58:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Emailing: A quick trip to the garage, and a crawl-under to look at the x-member tells me the x-member has been modified. There's a hole missing on the passenger side and the exhaust pass-unders have been boxed in. So, yeah, you're right, it "doesn't look right." That doesn't mean it isn't the "real thing", but a call to the TAC inspector would be in order before committing real money to a purchase. T On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:25 PM, wrote: > Could this be a Alger? The X cross member doesn't look right. > _ > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/1704919979 > 02?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece_ > ( > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/170491997902?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US > _Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece > ) > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > !BtKSfwQ!2k~$(KGrHqMOKjkEvOYsWMqGBL6)dCZc4Q~~_14.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 3 17:40:53 2010 From: Jim Sencindiver To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:19:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Emailing: I don't see the Mk II specific spare tire tie downs and the battery tie down is wrong. But it has been TACed and the 3 Inspectors saw enough evidence that it was originally manufactured as a Tiger to authenticate it. I would have to say it's not an Alger. Keep on Tigering! Jim Sencindiver B382100451/TAC 448 http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:25 PM, wrote: > Could this be a Alger? The X cross member doesn't look right. > _ > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/1704919979 > 02?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece_ > ( > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/170491997902?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US > _Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece) > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > !BtKSfwQ!2k~$(KGrHqMOKjkEvOYsWMqGBL6)dCZc4Q~~_14.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jd.sencindiver@gmail.com > > -- Jim Sencindiver _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 3 17:55:13 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, Tom Kukla Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 16:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake shoe spring clips THANKS Tom from everyone on the LIST. Its always handy to know items like spring clips can be found. You should keep the radiator hose numbers in the car or on your cell phone as NAPA also carries hoses that will work. TonytheTiger --- On Thu, 6/3/10, Tom Kukla wrote: From: Tom Kukla Subject: [Tigers] Brake shoe spring clips To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 5:41 PM Tiger Owners, I was re-doing my rear wheel cylinders and broke one of the spring clips that hold the brakes shoes to the backing plate. After trying several local sources in the Denver area, I could not find them. I decided to check with NAPA to see if they had something that would work. They did! It is NAPA #80215 and it works great. It is a little bit different than original but very close. Tom Kukla tlkukla@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 3 19:09:42 2010 From: Steve Laifman To: Jim Sencindiver Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 17:48:05 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? Jim, See who actually signed the TAC certificate. It is ON the certificate. Norman's web site also contains a list of certified and assigned TAC numbers: http://www.rootes1.com/ I am getting very suspicious due to your statement about "spare tire tie downs". The Tiger does not have "tie-downs". Here I am envisioning a leather set of belts to hold the spare against the froward end of the trunk to tie it down vertically in the convenient well (not used in a Tiger). The Tiger design fits on the floor atop a welded stamped bell with an in-caged nut, and held with a center hole fitting plate and bolted to the floor mount. The Alpine mounted the tire vertically at the front of the trunk compartment. Here are some Pics of Denis Mercier's Mk IA spare tire mounted. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=1360287247&aid=23591&l=f21ac448f1&s=40&hash=be4d7e7777b27c1b89f399d67213f99b "Don't Look a Gift Tiger in the Mouth!" (Pic of Roaring Tiger - won't go through List) Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com Jim Sencindiver wrote: > I don't see the Mk II specific spare tire tie downs and the battery tie down > is wrong. But it has been TACed and the 3 Inspectors saw enough evidence > that it was originally manufactured as a Tiger to authenticate it. I would > have to say it's not an Alger. > > Keep on Tigering! > Jim Sencindiver > B382100451/TAC 448 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 3 20:10:52 2010 From: "Jim" To: "'Steve Laifman'" , "'Jim Sencindiver'" Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 18:41:11 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? Steve... What are you suspicious about exactly? No, it doesn't have 'tie-downs' and we all know what it looks like...but it HAS been TAC'ed .... and I only know of one car that was TAC'ed and turned out it wasn't quite what it was supposed to be... Geez... I saw a Tiger with a complete Alpine front half TAC'ed at TUXXX What exactly is the argument here ?? Jim G. B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Laifman Sent: June 3, 2010 5:48 PM To: Jim Sencindiver Cc: AAAGLASSS@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? Jim, See who actually signed the TAC certificate. It is ON the certificate. Norman's web site also contains a list of certified and assigned TAC numbers: http://www.rootes1.com/ I am getting very suspicious due to your statement about "spare tire tie downs". The Tiger does not have "tie-downs". Here I am envisioning a leather set of belts to hold the spare against the froward end of the trunk to tie it down vertically in the convenient well (not used in a Tiger). The Tiger design fits on the floor atop a welded stamped bell with an in-caged nut, and held with a center hole fitting plate and bolted to the floor mount. The Alpine mounted the tire vertically at the front of the trunk compartment. Here are some Pics of Denis Mercier's Mk IA spare tire mounted. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=1360287247&aid=23591&l=f21ac448f1&s=40& hash=be4d7e7777b27c1b89f399d67213f99b "Don't Look a Gift Tiger in the Mouth!" (Pic of Roaring Tiger - won't go through List) Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com Jim Sencindiver wrote: > I don't see the Mk II specific spare tire tie downs and the battery tie down > is wrong. But it has been TACed and the 3 Inspectors saw enough evidence > that it was originally manufactured as a Tiger to authenticate it. I would > have to say it's not an Alger. > > Keep on Tigering! > Jim Sencindiver > B382100451/TAC 448 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim@island.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 3 20:26:47 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] radiator hose numbers I was ask about the numbers for the radiator hoses. I know I have them but my memory is not recalling where. I know NAPA numbers where the last ones Doug Jennings gave me. Would someone please post the numbers. TtT _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 3 20:28:13 2010 From: Steve Laifman To: Jim Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 19:13:35 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? Jim, There is no argument, other than your own statement: "I don't see the Mk II specific spare tire tie downs and the battery tie down is wrong - .Jim" Apparently I did got the idea that all was not as you expected here. See below for your statement to which I was responding. There are NO "tie downs" except the top disk and bolt. The welded floor piece, and the "base" should be welded there. In that way there isn't a "tie-down". Just the bolted "hat". Sorry if I misunderstood what you said. By the way, it has been reported that a number of "blank" TAC certificates went missing some time ago. I have no idea if this is so. I hope not. I am sure we will hear back on this point. Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com Jim, Jim wrote: > Steve... > > What are you suspicious about exactly? > No, it doesn't have 'tie-downs' and we all know what it looks like...but it > HAS been TAC'ed .... and I only know of one car that was TAC'ed and turned > out it wasn't quite what it was supposed to be... Geez... I saw a Tiger with > a complete Alpine front half TAC'ed at TUXXX > What exactly is the argument here ?? > > Jim G. > B382000446 > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > /Jim Sencindiver wrote: > / >> /*I don't see the Mk II specific spare tire tie downs* and the battery tie down is wrong. But it has been TACed and the 3 Inspectors saw enough evidence that it was originally manufactured as a Tiger to authenticate it. I would have to say it's not an Alger. >> >> Keep on Tigering! >> Jim Sencindiver >> B382100451/TAC 448/ _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 3 20:40:13 2010 From: Randy Smith To: Steve Laifman Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 22:13:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? Steve- Jim is a TAC inspector and owns a Mk II, so I would think he knows what he is talking about. -Randy On 6/3/2010 8:48 PM, Steve Laifman wrote: > Jim, > > See who actually signed the TAC certificate. It is ON the certificate. > Norman's web site also contains a list of certified and assigned TAC > numbers: > > http://www.rootes1.com/ > > > I am getting very suspicious due to your statement about "spare tire tie > downs". The Tiger does not have "tie-downs". Here I am envisioning a > leather set of belts to hold the spare against the froward end of the > trunk to tie it down vertically in the convenient well (not used in a > Tiger). The Tiger design fits on the floor atop a welded stamped bell > with an in-caged nut, and held with a center hole fitting plate and > bolted to the floor mount. > > The Alpine mounted the tire vertically at the front of the trunk > compartment. > > Here are some Pics of Denis Mercier's Mk IA spare tire mounted. > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=1360287247&aid=23591&l=f21ac448f1&s=40&hash=be4d7e7777b27c1b89f399d67213f99b > > > > "Don't Look a Gift Tiger in the Mouth!" > > (Pic of Roaring Tiger - won't go through List) > > Steve > > Steve Laifman > > Editor > > http://TigersUnited.com > > > > Jim Sencindiver wrote: > >> I don't see the Mk II specific spare tire tie downs and the battery tie down >> is wrong. But it has been TACed and the 3 Inspectors saw enough evidence >> that it was originally manufactured as a Tiger to authenticate it. I would >> have to say it's not an Alger. >> >> Keep on Tigering! >> Jim Sencindiver >> B382100451/TAC 448 - Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ@cs.com Tiger- B382000189 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 3 22:27:07 2010 From: Jim Sencindiver To: Steve Laifman Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 00:03:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? Steve, On Mk II Tigers they did away with the "bolted hat" that was used on Mk I and Mk IAs and used a couple of straps to hold the spare in place. The straps were attached to brackets/tie downs that were bolted to the floor of the boot. The spare could not go in the Alpine spare well, since the fuel pump is mounted there on Mk IIs. I'm only speculating, but if this Tiger had a rear clip replacement, that would account for the lack of spare tire bracket/tie down holes and the non original battery tie down. If the TAC inspectors were able to find the cut lines from a rear clip replacement, then it would explain why these Tiger specific items were not there. Keep on Tigering! Jim Sencindiver B382100451/TAC 448 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Steve Laifman wrote: > Jim, > > There is no argument, other than your own statement: > > "I don't see the Mk II specific spare tire tie downs and the battery tie > down is wrong - .Jim" > > Apparently I did got the idea that all was not as you expected here. > > See below for your statement to which I was responding. > > There are NO "tie downs" except the top disk and bolt. The welded floor > piece, and the "base" should be welded there. > > In that way there isn't a "tie-down". Just the bolted "hat". > > Sorry if I misunderstood what you said. > > By the way, it has been reported that a number of "blank" TAC > certificates went missing some time ago. I have no idea if this is so. > I hope not. > I am sure we will hear back on this point. > > Steve > > Steve Laifman > > Editor > > http://TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 3 22:59:10 2010 From: Steve Laifman To: Jim Sencindiver Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 21:37:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? Jim, Thank you for the "hands-on" Mk II information. While I don't know all the TAC criteria, the main one is that it rolled off the assembly line as a Tiger. Putting a Chevy Engine in is allowed. Appreciate your patience in explaining this change. Seen lot's of Mk II's, but haven't, personally, put my nose too deeply into the trunk. I hear that there are some who really like to get their noses in places like this. (9-) Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com Jim Sencindiver wrote: > Steve, > > On Mk II Tigers they did away with the "bolted hat" that was used on > Mk I and Mk IAs and used a couple of straps to hold the spare in > place. The straps were attached to brackets/tie downs that were > bolted to the floor of the boot. The spare could not go in the Alpine > spare well, since the fuel pump is mounted there on Mk IIs. > > I'm only speculating, but if this Tiger had a rear clip replacement, > that would account for the lack of spare tire bracket/tie down holes > and the non original battery tie down. If the TAC inspectors were > able to find the cut lines from a rear clip replacement, then it would > explain why these Tiger specific items were not there. > > Keep on Tigering! > Jim Sencindiver > B382100451/TAC 448 > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Steve Laifman > wrote: > > Jim, > > There is no argument, other than your own statement: > > "I don't see the Mk II specific spare tire tie downs and the > battery tie > down is wrong - .Jim" > > Apparently I did got the idea that all was not as you expected here. > > See below for your statement to which I was responding. > > There are NO "tie downs" except the top disk and bolt. The welded > floor > piece, and the "base" should be welded there. > > In that way there isn't a "tie-down". Just the bolted "hat". > > Sorry if I misunderstood what you said. > > By the way, it has been reported that a number of "blank" TAC > certificates went missing some time ago. I have no idea if this > is so. > I hope not. > I am sure we will hear back on this point. > > Steve > > Steve Laifman > > Editor > > http://TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 3 22:59:27 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: Steve Laifman , Jim Sencindiver Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 21:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? As Jim mentioned, the rear clip may have been replaced or, for example, I have a nice complete trunk platform from epay- it was cut above the frame rails but looks new on the bottom- I just bought it for repair on another Tiger that was never done. The trunk may have been rusted to the point a better trunk floor was installed. If its truly TACed, I would imagine it took some extreme work to fool 3 TAC officials. TtT --- On Thu, 6/3/10, Jim Sencindiver wrote: From: Jim Sencindiver Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? To: "Steve Laifman" Cc: "Tiger's Den" Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 11:03 PM Steve, On Mk II Tigers they did away with the "bolted hat" that was used on Mk I and Mk IAs and used a couple of straps to hold the spare in place. The straps were attached to brackets/tie downs that were bolted to the floor of the boot. The spare could not go in the Alpine spare well, since the fuel pump is mounted there on Mk IIs. I'm only speculating, but if this Tiger had a rear clip replacement, that would account for the lack of spare tire bracket/tie down holes and the non original battery tie down. If the TAC inspectors were able to find the cut lines from a rear clip replacement, then it would explain why these Tiger specific items were not there. Keep on Tigering! Jim Sencindiver B382100451/TAC 448 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Steve Laifman wrote: > Jim, > > There is no argument, other than your own statement: > > "I don't see the Mk II specific spare tire tie downs and the battery tie > down is wrong - .Jim" > > Apparently I did got the idea that all was not as you expected here. > > See below for your statement to which I was responding. > > There are NO "tie downs" except the top disk and bolt. The welded floor > piece, and the "base" should be welded there. > > In that way there isn't a "tie-down". Just the bolted "hat". > > Sorry if I misunderstood what you said. > > By the way, it has been reported that a number of "blank" TAC > certificates went missing some time ago. I have no idea if this is so. > I hope not. > I am sure we will hear back on this point. > > Steve > > Steve Laifman > > Editor > > http://TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 4 05:41:07 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: Jim Sencindiver , Steve Laifman Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 07:01:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? I was going to say... It's funny how one can think s/he knows something and then doubt that knowledge. I knew there was a new spare tire securing system in the MKII and a fuel pump in the Alpine's spare storage; nonetheless, I was questioning my own knowledge while reading the previous emails. The one question I have is about the hole through the rear rail to the left (driver's side) of the left exhaust bank near the drive shaft. That is something I do not recognize and don't know its function. Any ideas? The exhaust pass-throughs look right to me. This car is pretty tempting to me, to be honest. Too bad I can't afford it! I'd have to sell a car to buy it. Ugh to that idea. On 6/4/10 12:03 AM, "Jim Sencindiver" wrote: > Steve, > > On Mk II Tigers they did away with the "bolted hat" that was used on Mk I > and Mk IAs and used a couple of straps to hold the spare in place. The > straps were attached to brackets/tie downs that were bolted to the floor of > the boot. The spare could not go in the Alpine spare well, since the fuel > pump is mounted there on Mk IIs. > > I'm only speculating, but if this Tiger had a rear clip replacement, that > would account for the lack of spare tire bracket/tie down holes and the non > original battery tie down. If the TAC inspectors were able to find the cut > lines from a rear clip replacement, then it would explain why these Tiger > specific items were not there. > > Keep on Tigering! > Jim Sencindiver > B382100451/TAC 448 > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Steve Laifman wrote: > >> Jim, >> >> There is no argument, other than your own statement: >> >> "I don't see the Mk II specific spare tire tie downs and the battery tie >> down is wrong - .Jim" >> >> Apparently I did got the idea that all was not as you expected here. >> >> See below for your statement to which I was responding. >> >> There are NO "tie downs" except the top disk and bolt. The welded floor >> piece, and the "base" should be welded there. >> >> In that way there isn't a "tie-down". Just the bolted "hat". >> >> Sorry if I misunderstood what you said. >> >> By the way, it has been reported that a number of "blank" TAC >> certificates went missing some time ago. I have no idea if this is so. >> I hope not. >> I am sure we will hear back on this point. >> >> Steve >> >> Steve Laifman >> >> Editor >> >> http://TigersUnited.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/porsche911e@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 4 06:42:36 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Tony Somebody'" , "'Beamclub'" Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 07:59:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] need a part Tony One of my catalogs indicates Clutch release lever C5OZ-7515-B is used on all 8 cyl, 1964 through 2/15/68 and is 9 1/4" long. This seems to indicate that it is the same part as the 260 release lever C3AZ-7515-A but I have never compared these 2 parts. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:21 PM To: Beamclub Subject: [Tigers] need a part I need a clutch fork for a 6 bolt bellhousing. I also have parts to trade with if you are a guy who likes to trade, etc etc. Thanks in advance. TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2910 - Release Date: 06/02/10 06:25:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 4 07:20:59 2010 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: slaifman@socal.rr.com, jd.sencindiver@gmail.com Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:02:22 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? My MKII used the trunk well for the fuel pump, so it was not unused. "Here I am envisioning a leather set of belts to hold the spare against the froward end of the trunk to tie it down vertically in the convenient well (not used in a Tiger)." Fred Baum Former MKII owner Current MKI & MKIA owner In a message dated 6/3/2010 9:10:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, slaifman@socal.rr.com writes: Jim, See who actually signed the TAC certificate. It is ON the certificate. Norman's web site also contains a list of certified and assigned TAC numbers: http://www.rootes1.com/ I am getting very suspicious due to your statement about "spare tire tie downs". The Tiger does not have "tie-downs". Here I am envisioning a leather set of belts to hold the spare against the froward end of the trunk to tie it down vertically in the convenient well (not used in a Tiger). The Tiger design fits on the floor atop a welded stamped bell with an in-caged nut, and held with a center hole fitting plate and bolted to the floor mount. The Alpine mounted the tire vertically at the front of the trunk compartment. Here are some Pics of Denis Mercier's Mk IA spare tire mounted. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=1360287247&aid=23591&l=f21ac448f1&s=40& hash=be4d7e7777b27c1b89f399d67213f99b _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 4 11:11:06 2010 From: "Jim" To: "'Jim'" , "'Steve Laifman'" , Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:23:54 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? BTW, I believe that every car that has been TAC'd is unequivocally a real Tiger. What I was referencing below was a discrepancy in the VIN# which is something outside of the TAC program as has no bearing on whether a particular chassis is in fact an original Tiger. Jim B382000446 TAC#0671 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: June 3, 2010 6:41 PM To: 'Steve Laifman'; 'Jim Sencindiver' Cc: AAAGLASSS@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? Steve... What are you suspicious about exactly? No, it doesn't have 'tie-downs' and we all know what it looks like...but it HAS been TAC'ed .... and I only know of one car that was TAC'ed and turned out it wasn't quite what it was supposed to be... Geez... I saw a Tiger with a complete Alpine front half TAC'ed at TUXXX What exactly is the argument here ?? Jim G. B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Laifman Sent: June 3, 2010 5:48 PM To: Jim Sencindiver Cc: AAAGLASSS@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? Jim, See who actually signed the TAC certificate. It is ON the certificate. Norman's web site also contains a list of certified and assigned TAC numbers: http://www.rootes1.com/ I am getting very suspicious due to your statement about "spare tire tie downs". The Tiger does not have "tie-downs". Here I am envisioning a leather set of belts to hold the spare against the froward end of the trunk to tie it down vertically in the convenient well (not used in a Tiger). The Tiger design fits on the floor atop a welded stamped bell with an in-caged nut, and held with a center hole fitting plate and bolted to the floor mount. The Alpine mounted the tire vertically at the front of the trunk compartment. Here are some Pics of Denis Mercier's Mk IA spare tire mounted. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=1360287247&aid=23591&l=f21ac448f1&s=40& hash=be4d7e7777b27c1b89f399d67213f99b "Don't Look a Gift Tiger in the Mouth!" (Pic of Roaring Tiger - won't go through List) Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com Jim Sencindiver wrote: > I don't see the Mk II specific spare tire tie downs and the battery tie down > is wrong. But it has been TACed and the 3 Inspectors saw enough evidence > that it was originally manufactured as a Tiger to authenticate it. I would > have to say it's not an Alger. > > Keep on Tigering! > Jim Sencindiver > B382100451/TAC 448 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim@island.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim@island.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 4 13:55:48 2010 From: Dave Munroe To: "Would U. Believe" Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:56:21 -0300 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? You asked: " The one question I have is about the hole through the rear rail to the left (driver's side) of the left exhaust bank near the drive shaft. That is something I do not recognize and don't know its function. Any ideas?" It looks like an ill-advised access hole in a stressed member to make installing the speedo cable easier.... Dave _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 4 14:53:23 2010 From: "Greg Koss" To: "Tiger's Den" Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:02:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? That hole in the X-member is where the Alpine exhaust was routed. >>> Dave Munroe 6/4/2010 2:56 PM >>> You asked: " The one question I have is about the hole through the rear rail to the left (driver's side) of the left exhaust bank near the drive shaft. That is something I do not recognize and don't know its function. Any ideas?" It looks like an ill-advised access hole in a stressed member to make installing the speedo cable easier.... Dave _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/greg.koss@trw.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 4 16:07:16 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: Greg Koss , Tiger's Den Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:39:23 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? Ummmmm..... How can that be if the car is a TACed MkII Tiger? Is what you are saying that the car is a fraud (Alger)? On 6/4/10 4:02 PM, "Greg Koss" wrote: > That hole in the X-member is where the Alpine exhaust was routed. > >>>> Dave Munroe 6/4/2010 2:56 PM >>> > You asked: > > " The one question I have is about the hole through the rear rail to the > left (driver's side) of the left exhaust bank near the drive shaft. That is > something I do not recognize and don't know its function. Any ideas?" > > It looks like an ill-advised access hole in a stressed member to make > installing the speedo cable easier.... > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/greg.koss@trw.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 4 16:10:20 2010 From: atwittsend@verizon.net To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:51:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? /VIKFgV: Permission denied _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 4 17:08:40 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Would U. Believe" , Greg Koss Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 17:14:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? >From looking at the pictures it appears that the car in question has a custom built X frame, presumably to replace rotted original components. That doesn't make it an Alger, nor would the use of X frame components from an Alpine in an eventual re-restoration (in the absence of wholesale replacement of many other chassis panels). Evidently the TAC inspectors were able to confirm enough of the rest of the bodyshell's construction that it got the TAC certificate. TAC does not imply that the bodyshell is completely original, just that there is sufficient evidence that the bodyshell was assembled as a Tiger by Rootes or their subsidiaries. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Would U. Believe > Sent: June 4, 2010 3:39 PM > To: Greg Koss; Tiger's Den > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? > > Ummmmm..... How can that be if the car is a TACed MkII Tiger? Is what > you > are saying that the car is a fraud (Alger)? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 4 17:08:51 2010 From: "Scattt" To: "Would U. Believe" , "Jim Sencindiver" Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 18:14:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? It sounds like the hole you are describing is the Alpine exhaust passage which is present on all Tigers. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Would U. Believe" To: "Jim Sencindiver" ; "Steve Laifman" Cc: "Tiger's Den" Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? >I was going to say... It's funny how one can think s/he knows something >and > then doubt that knowledge. I knew there was a new spare tire securing > system in the MKII and a fuel pump in the Alpine's spare storage; > nonetheless, I was questioning my own knowledge while reading the previous > emails. The one question I have is about the hole through the rear rail > to > the left (driver's side) of the left exhaust bank near the drive shaft. > That is something I do not recognize and don't know its function. Any > ideas? The exhaust pass-throughs look right to me. This car is pretty > tempting to me, to be honest. Too bad I can't afford it! I'd have to > sell > a car to buy it. Ugh to that idea. > > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/scattt@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 4 17:09:41 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: "Smit, Theo" , Greg Koss Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 18:29:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? Theo, That's the way I see it too. I was just surprised to see "that's where the alpine exhaust passed through without qualifying the statement. Thanks. M On 6/4/10 6:14 PM, "Smit, Theo" wrote: > From looking at the pictures it appears that the car in question has a custom > built X frame, presumably to replace rotted original components. That doesn't > make it an Alger, nor would the use of X frame components from an Alpine in an > eventual re-restoration (in the absence of wholesale replacement of many other > chassis panels). > Evidently the TAC inspectors were able to confirm enough of the rest of the > bodyshell's construction that it got the TAC certificate. TAC does not imply > that the bodyshell is completely original, just that there is sufficient > evidence that the bodyshell was assembled as a Tiger by Rootes or their > subsidiaries. > > Theo >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- >> bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Would U. Believe >> Sent: June 4, 2010 3:39 PM >> To: Greg Koss; Tiger's Den >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? >> >> Ummmmm..... How can that be if the car is a TACed MkII Tiger? Is what >> you >> are saying that the car is a fraud (Alger)? >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole > use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please > be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or > any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > please contact the sender and delete all copies. > > Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 4 17:38:06 2010 From: Tom Parker To: Dave Munroe Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 18:53:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? "How can that be if the car is a TACed MkII Tiger? Is what you are saying that the car is a fraud (Alger)?" They all have it. Tigers are, simply put, Alpines modified at the plant. I've had my Mark 2 since 1976 and just recently discovered the Alpine exhaust hole. But it's been hiding there in plain sight since I bought the car and I've been around and under the car more often than I care to admit. Tom. On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Dave Munroe wrote: > You asked: > > " The one question I have is about the hole through the rear rail to the > left (driver's side) of the left exhaust bank near the drive shaft. That is > something I do not recognize and don't know its function. Any ideas?" > > It looks like an ill-advised access hole in a stressed member to make > installing the speedo cable easier.... > > Dave _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 4 18:40:25 2010 From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" To: "=?utf-8?B?VG9tIFBhcmtlcg==?=" Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 18:44:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Are_This_a_Tiger=3F?= Wasn't the fake mk.2 that won the lord rootes trophy tac'd? Big oops. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Tom Parker" Date: Fri, Jun 4, 2010 17:53 Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? To: "Dave Munroe" Cc: "Tiger's Den" "How can that be if the car is a TACed MkII Tiger? Is what you are saying that the car is a fraud (Alger)?" They all have it. Tigers are, simply put, Alpines modified at the plant. I've had my Mark 2 since 1976 and just recently discovered the Alpine exhaust hole. But it's been hiding there in plain sight since I bought the car and I've been around and under the car more often than I care to admit. Tom. On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Dave Munroe wrote: > You asked: > > " The one question I have is about the hole through the rear rail to the > left (driver's side) of the left exhaust bank near the drive shaft. That is > something I do not recognize and don't know its function. Any ideas?" > > It looks like an ill-advised access hole in a stressed member to make > installing the speedo cable easier.... > > Dave _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 4 19:10:36 2010 From: David T Johnson To: Dave Munroe Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 17:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? You're not talking about the speedo access hole on my late MKiA's left rail. Placed perfectly to allow a very long socket + extension to reach the speed drive gear and hold down bolt. Changing the gear is simple. Finding the 15 tooth drive gear is the issue. Dave --- On Fri, 6/4/10, Dave Munroe wrote: From: Dave Munroe Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? To: "Would U. Believe" Cc: "Tiger's Den" Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 6:56 PM You asked: " The one question I have is about the hole through the rear rail to the left (driver's side) of the left exhaust bank near the drive shaft. That is something I do not recognize and don't know its function. Any ideas?" It looks like an ill-advised access hole in a stressed member to make installing the speedo cable easier.... Dave _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 4 19:40:04 2010 From: Dave Munroe To: David T Johnson Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 21:51:58 -0300 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? Dave: No way am I going to argue with the experts on this list which includes a TAC inspector, and not having my car handy to look and see if it has that very same hole, but on this car in question, that's a mighty big hole for a small exhaust pipe, and it looks like it has seriously weakened the X beam because the hole's location is so close to the top of that section. >From what I can see anyway...also, if you enlarge the photo, you can see the speedo cable entry into the tranny tailpiece, right there. Maybe that IS the Alpine ex pipe hole, and some previous owner enlarged it? Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: David T Johnson To: Dave Munroe Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? You're not talking about the speedo access hole on my late MKiA's left rail. Placed perfectly to allow a very long socket + extension to reach the speed drive gear and hold down bolt. Changing the gear is simple. Finding the 15 tooth drive gear is the issue. Dave --- On Fri, 6/4/10, Dave Munroe wrote: From: Dave Munroe Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? To: "Would U. Believe" Cc: "Tiger's Den" Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 6:56 PM You asked: " The one question I have is about the hole through the rear rail to the left (driver's side) of the left exhaust bank near the drive shaft. That is something I do not recognize and don't know its function. Any ideas?" It looks like an ill-advised access hole in a stressed member to make installing the speedo cable easier.... Dave _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 4 21:37:20 2010 From: Marc James Small To: Tom Parker ,Dave Munroe Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 22:46:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? At 06:53 PM 6/4/2010, Tom Parker wrote: > "How can that be if the car is a TACed MkII Tiger? Is what you >are saying that the car is a fraud (Alger)?" > >They all have it. Tigers are, simply put, Alpines modified at the plant. >I've had my Mark 2 since 1976 and just recently discovered the Alpine >exhaust hole. But it's been hiding there in plain sight since I bought the >car and I've been around and under the car more often than I care to admit. Am I missing something? I had thought that the production Tiger bodies were all made by Jensen, a totally separate company, before being sent to Rootes for the final touches such as the power train. Is this wrong? Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 4 22:06:39 2010 From: michael king To: Steve Laifman Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 13:10:42 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? > Appreciate your patience in explaining this change. Seen lot's of Mk > II's, but haven't, personally, put my nose too deeply into the trunk. > > > On Mk II Tigers they did away with the "bolted hat" that was used on > > Mk I and Mk IAs and used a couple of straps to hold the spare in > > place. The straps were attached to brackets/tie downs that were > > bolted to the floor of the boot. The spare could not go in the Alpine > > spare well, since the fuel pump is mounted there on Mk IIs. > To all... a nice picture of an original MKII trunk (boot) including the tool roll etc.. http://www.sunbeamtiger.co.uk/Galleries/Classfieds/B382100605/images/13.JPG -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 4 22:53:48 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: Marc James Small Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 21:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? Marc- I think the Alpine shells where delivered to Jensen where they where modified and returned to be completed.Certain parts may have been left off as there are a few things that Tigers have that Alpines do not- one under the dash that a TAC official told me was the first place he looked. He did not tell me which item isn't the same, I might be wrong and the unassembled parts sent to Jensen and everything put together but that seems more costly as Rootes had an assembly line and paying Jensen to put the entire car together makes little sense as the Rootes workers would have more experience welding the pieces together in the order they had been doing for years as the S2,3,4 and 5 where all pretty well assembled in the same manner- just a few parts changed but I think assembly was pretty close to repetitive. I think all this discussion is great as LIST mail is the best but until the car could be TACed again, all this talk is just that- TALK. TtT _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 5 05:07:08 2010 From: "rande" To: marcsmall@comcast.net Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 06:51:28 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) 'Am I missing something? I had thought that the production Tiger bodies were all made by Jensen, a totally separate company, before being sent to Rootes for the final touches such as the power train. Is this wrong?' Marc, The order is backwards. Alpines and Tigers first started out at Pressed Steel, where the bodies were built. They were able to incorporate some of the Tiger-specific features there. The Tiger bodies were then shipped to Jensen to be completed. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 5 06:06:28 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: , Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 07:37:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) The owner acknowledged to me that the trunk floor is indeed missing the identifying elements, to include the spare wheel and battery tie-down parts. He said he thinks, but is not sure, that the trunk floor may have been replaced as a part of rust repairs performed on the car by the previous owner of the car. I did not ask him about what other parts of the car had possible rust repairs. Incidentally, the car hails from Canada and has been in the US only two years or so. Previous to that, it was in Canada for at least 25 years, according to the owner. On 6/5/10 6:51 AM, "rande" wrote: > 'Am I missing something? I had thought that the > production Tiger bodies were all made by Jensen, > a totally separate company, before being sent to > Rootes for the final touches such as the power train. Is this wrong?' > > Marc, > > The order is backwards. Alpines and Tigers first started out at Pressed Steel, > where the bodies were built. They were able to incorporate some of the > Tiger-specific > features there. The Tiger bodies were then shipped to Jensen to be completed. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 5 08:10:10 2010 From: Tom Parker To: Marc James Small Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:29:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? Take a look under the hood. Do you see the fixtures in the frame just behind the Tiger's engine mount brackets? Those are for the Alpine engine. Crawl under and look just behind the engine bell housing at the frame again. Those square fixtures with the holes drilled in them ( and the slag not ground off from the cuts...) are Alpine; I think they were the transmission mounts, cut away to make room for the Ford Toploader transmission. There are things on the Tiger that're Tiger specific (and the T.A.C. guys know what they are), but the body assembly started off as an Alpine. I'll leave it to the folks who know to say when and how it happened; I only know it happened. Tom On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Marc James Small wrote: > At 06:53 PM 6/4/2010, Tom Parker wrote: > > "How can that be if the car is a TACed MkII Tiger? Is what you > >are saying that the car is a fraud (Alger)?" > > > >They all have it. Tigers are, simply put, Alpines modified at the plant. > >I've had my Mark 2 since 1976 and just recently discovered the Alpine > >exhaust hole. But it's been hiding there in plain sight since I bought the > >car and I've been around and under the car more often than I care to > admit. > > Am I missing something? I had thought that the production Tiger bodies > were all made by Jensen, a totally separate company, before being sent to > Rootes for the final touches such as the power train. Is this wrong? > > Marc > > > msmall@aya.yale.edu > Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 5 11:00:59 2010 From: J D Johnson To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 09:03:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger? It looks like only five MK 2s have won the Lord Rootes trophy. And, only three of those turn up on the list of "TAC'd" cars. Which one are suggesting is a "fake": B382100117, B382100200 or B382100268? JD At 04:44 PM 6/4/2010, spook01@comcast.net wrote: >Wasn't the fake mk.2 that won the lord rootes trophy tac'd? >Big oops. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 5 11:01:40 2010 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 12:19:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] the Mk 2 thread Maybe I'm confused. Is all this discussion about a MK 2 based on the Denis Mercier Facebook pictures showing what looks like a Mark 1 / Mark 1A and is this the car that some of the doubt is about? _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 5 13:43:42 2010 From: Steve Laifman To: rande@thecia.net, Tiger's Den Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 12:01:27 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] the Mk 2 thread Rande, It is all MY fault. I never knew that the Mk II trunk design was changed from prior Tigers. It went from a bolted plate retainer to a "Y"" shaped belt tie-down, just exactly as Jim Sencindiver has described. The link to my on-line photos was a good picture of the Mk I / Mk IA stock design. Jim set me straight, and The Book of Norman clinched the deal with Mk II photographs. Again, I apologize to Jim. The lessons learned? 1. Check 2. Double Check 3. Do not Argue with a Marine!!! :-[ BTW: The link to the pages of pictures I posted is: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=1360287247&aid=23591&l=f21ac448f1&s=0&hash=b02a84e99b8e4135b81aca8e7eaf2a44 Even threw in pics of my 2005 T-Bird, the Red Sebring my son and I built, and the F-1 engine and rocket assembly too which I contributed to the design and development (as long as your there). Along with the last Monterey Historics. Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com rande wrote: > Maybe I'm confused. Is all this discussion about a MK 2 based on the Denis Mercier > Facebook pictures showing what looks like a Mark 1 / Mark 1A and is this the > car that some of the doubt is about? > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 5 17:10:15 2010 From: "denis mercier" To: , Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 18:15:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] the Mk 2 thread Rande and All... There is some difference between the MK1A and MKII trunk configuration, on MK1A the spare tire his hold in place by a bolt screwn on a special nut welded on the trunk, on MKII the spare tire his hold in place by a strap with (foot man loop(. On the MKII the fuel pump his on the trunk, hold in place by a special bracket at the Alpine spare tire place. The other things same to be the same. For the MKII for sale on ebay, i would like to see the car ??????? If you want some pictures of my MKII trunk just ask me ! Thanks ! Denis Mercier B382000926LRXFE B382100418LRXFE ----- Original Message ----- From: "rande" To: Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 12:19 PM Subject: [Tigers] the Mk 2 thread > Maybe I'm confused. Is all this discussion about a MK 2 based on the Denis > Mercier > Facebook pictures showing what looks like a Mark 1 / Mark 1A and is this > the > car that some of the doubt is about? > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/denismercier@telvic.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 5 18:10:00 2010 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 19:34:38 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Non-Tiger / Stuck gas pedal can kill ya My son has a 2001 Chevy small pick up. He called and said while he was driving the gas pedal stuck down. He crammed on the brakes and was able to stop the truck with the motor racing. He decided to drive home and after cresting a hill he let up on the gas and the engine went back to idle as normal. I told him to drive to my house and be really careful and be ready to shut of the ignition if it stuck again. He arrived and it was acting normal. Since we're in Vermont I suspected that slush and salt had gotten into the gas pedal where it's hinged. I crawled under the dash and it was clean and operating smoothly. i told him to look under the hood and find the end of the cable and watch it while I work the pedal. I pumped it and he yelled for me to see what he was seeing. Where the cable connected to the throttle body was a brown chunk of something. It apparently had jammed the throttle and then dropped down and out of the way. I told him that someone had played a joke on him and stuck a piece of dog poop in there to make it smell when it heated up. He pulled it out and smelled it. He said this smells like chocolate. His girl friend who was there said that it was a chocolate brownie. He said he couldn't figure out our it could have gotten in there. The hood release is in the cab and he always keeps the door locked. I told him that someone had been in there. He said the only time the hood had been open was few days before when he had the oil changed. The nearest we can figure is that the mechanic had been munching, set it down on the engine and forgotten it. Eventually the vibration caused it to fall down and jam the throttle. Now that is one weird situation and one that could have been pretty serious. Mark L _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 5 18:10:47 2010 From: michael king To: denis mercier Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 09:38:44 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] the Mk 2 thread I guess this muist have got lost in the previous thread.. but this is a MKII boot (trunk) including the tool roll etc.. http://www.sunbeamtiger.co.uk/Galleries/Classfieds/B382100605/images/13.JPG -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 6 13:29:52 2010 From: Jeffrey Nichols To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 11:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Ebay MkII Looking at the photos, someone boxed in the area behind the front wheel wells where normally resides sheet metal with stiffening ribs and punched holes. Even though it passed through TAC it must have had extensive rust before it was "restored". Some have mentioned trunk floor replaced, frame x-member rebuilt etc. I wonder how much of the original car is still there? Jeff _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 6 15:58:22 2010 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s) I just got an adapter from EPay that was supposed to fit a Tiger and a Nardi steering wheel. I figured I could get some use of a the nice old wood wheel I had in the garage. Well the old LeCarrera wheel seems to fit on the top most spline (as does the old Grant adapter), and after looking at the adapter, looks like this needs the horn contact to be removed, looked logical, but seems the spline diameter for the bottom (larger) spline is something like .75 and the id of the adapter is .70 at the deepest points. Seems like .050 off is not right. Anyone know the specs of the bottom spline or tried one of the adapters, it was from a place called Crowders Customizing? Sandy _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 6 19:56:07 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: Sandy Ganz , Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 21:27:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s) I am not sure I understand what you are referring to with the word "spline" when you say "spline diameter" and "bottom spline". Would you please clarify? BTW, Crowder's is definitely a reputable company. Thanks. On 6/6/10 5:06 PM, "Sandy Ganz" wrote: > I just got an adapter from EPay that was supposed to fit a Tiger and a Nardi > steering wheel. I figured I could get some use of a the nice old wood wheel I > had in the garage. Well the old LeCarrera wheel seems to fit on the top most > spline (as does the old Grant adapter), and after looking at the adapter, > looks like this needs the horn contact to be removed, looked logical, but > seems the spline diameter for the bottom (larger) spline is something like .75 > and the id of the adapter is .70 at the deepest points. Seems like .050 off is > not right. > > Anyone know the specs of the bottom spline or tried one of the > adapters, it was from a place called Crowders Customizing? > > Sandy > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/porsche911e@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 6 20:25:55 2010 From: Sandy Ganz To: "Would U. Believe" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 18:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s) WUB - If you look at the steering shaft from the top with the wheel and adapter off, (on mine anyways) exist 2 splines one closer to the top, and one below it, each is a different size. The top spline is smaller, then the one under it is a larger diameter. The current adapter and the grant adapter attatch to the TOP and Smaller spline not the one below it. What I'm talking about in the 'spline diameter' is really the diameter of the shaft at the spline measured with a caliper, so really the outside diameter of the spline. Did that make sense? Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Would U. Believe To: Sandy Ganz ; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sun, June 6, 2010 6:27:38 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s) I am not sure I understand what you are referring to with the word "spline" when you say "spline diameter" and "bottom spline". Would you please clarify? BTW, Crowder's is definitely a reputable company. Thanks. On 6/6/10 5:06 PM, "Sandy Ganz" wrote: > I just got an adapter from EPay that was supposed to fit a Tiger and a Nardi > steering wheel. I figured I could get some use of a the nice old wood wheel I > had in the garage. Well the old LeCarrera wheel seems to fit on the top most > spline (as does the old Grant adapter), and after looking at the adapter, > looks like this needs the horn contact to be removed, looked logical, but > seems the spline diameter for the bottom (larger) spline is something like .75 > and the id of the adapter is .70 at the deepest points. Seems like .050 off is > not right. > > Anyone know the specs of the bottom spline or tried one of the > adapters, it was from a place called Crowders Customizing? > > Sandy > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/porsche911e@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 6 20:40:29 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: Sandy Ganz , Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 22:03:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s) OK. I think I understand your question. In fact the hub's bore, where it slides onto the splines of the steering column, is slightly conical. The diameter of the hub's bore is 18 mm at the entrance and 15 mm at exit. It has 36 splines. I hope this helps you. On 6/6/10 9:44 PM, "Sandy Ganz" wrote: > WUB - > > If you look at the steering shaft from the top with the wheel and adapter off, > (on mine anyways) exist 2 splines one closer to the top, and one below it, > each is a different size. The top spline is smaller, then the one under it is > a larger diameter. The current adapter and the grant adapter attatch to the > TOP and Smaller spline not the one below it. > > What I'm talking about in the 'spline diameter' is really the diameter of the > shaft at the spline measured with a caliper, so really the outside diameter of > the spline. > > Did that make sense? > > Sandy > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Would U. Believe > To: Sandy Ganz ; tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, June 6, 2010 6:27:38 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s) > > I am not sure I understand what you are referring to with the word "spline" > when you say "spline diameter" and "bottom spline". Would you please > clarify? BTW, Crowder's is definitely a reputable company. Thanks. > > > On 6/6/10 5:06 PM, "Sandy Ganz" wrote: > >> I just got an adapter from EPay that was supposed to fit a Tiger and a Nardi >> steering wheel. I figured I could get some use of a the nice old wood wheel I >> had in the garage. Well the old LeCarrera wheel seems to fit on the top most >> spline (as does the old Grant adapter), and after looking at the adapter, >> looks like this needs the horn contact to be removed, looked logical, but >> seems the spline diameter for the bottom (larger) spline is something like >> .75 >> and the id of the adapter is .70 at the deepest points. Seems like .050 off >> is >> not right. >> >> Anyone know the specs of the bottom spline or tried one of the >> adapters, it was from a place called Crowders Customizing? >> >> Sandy >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/porsche911e@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 6 23:24:27 2010 From: Sandy Ganz To: "Would U. Believe" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s) I'm going to have to yank it apart again, I think it had 2 distinct sections of splines, stepped if you will. The Grant Adapter and the Motolita adapter only slide on the first (top) spline set. It may be tapered but seemed more like a step to the second sized spline. 18mm = .709in which seems right for the hub which measures .711in inside diameter but I'm pretty sure the OD of the splines on the larger (lower) is looking like .75" Are alpine steering shafts the same? The car was in a fron ender at some point and that shaft could have been swapped out or something, but something doesn't seem right. Thanks for the info, going to have to open it up and look at it, will get a picture this time! Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Would U. Believe To: Sandy Ganz ; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sun, June 6, 2010 7:03:25 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s) OK. I think I understand your question. In fact the hub's bore, where it slides onto the splines of the steering column, is slightly conical. The diameter of the hub's bore is 18 mm at the entrance and 15 mm at exit. It has 36 splines. I hope this helps you. On 6/6/10 9:44 PM, "Sandy Ganz" wrote: > WUB - > > If you look at the steering shaft from the top with the wheel and adapter off, > (on mine anyways) exist 2 splines one closer to the top, and one below it, > each is a different size. The top spline is smaller, then the one under it is > a larger diameter. The current adapter and the grant adapter attatch to the > TOP and Smaller spline not the one below it. > > What I'm talking about in the 'spline diameter' is really the diameter of the > shaft at the spline measured with a caliper, so really the outside diameter of > the spline. > > Did that make sense? > > Sandy > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Would U. Believe > To: Sandy Ganz ; tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, June 6, 2010 6:27:38 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s) > > I am not sure I understand what you are referring to with the word "spline" > when you say "spline diameter" and "bottom spline". Would you please > clarify? BTW, Crowder's is definitely a reputable company. Thanks. > > > On 6/6/10 5:06 PM, "Sandy Ganz" wrote: > >> I just got an adapter from EPay that was supposed to fit a Tiger and a Nardi >> steering wheel. I figured I could get some use of a the nice old wood wheel I >> had in the garage. Well the old LeCarrera wheel seems to fit on the top most >> spline (as does the old Grant adapter), and after looking at the adapter, >> looks like this needs the horn contact to be removed, looked logical, but >> seems the spline diameter for the bottom (larger) spline is something like >> .75 >> and the id of the adapter is .70 at the deepest points. Seems like .050 off >> is >> not right. >> >> Anyone know the specs of the bottom spline or tried one of the >> adapters, it was from a place called Crowders Customizing? >> >> Sandy >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/porsche911e@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 7 08:07:48 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Sandy Ganz , "Would U. Believe" Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 08:40:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s) Are you guys talking about the splined section that allows the steering wheel to be telescoped about 2 inches? The steering wheel hub does not engage that part... http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmJ4.asp Check the picture. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz > Sent: June 6, 2010 10:56 PM > To: Would U. Believe; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s) > > I'm going to have to yank it apart again, I think it had 2 distinct > sections > of splines, stepped if you will. The Grant Adapter and the Motolita > adapter > only slide on the first (top) spline set. It may be tapered but seemed > more > like a step to the second sized spline. > > 18mm = .709in which seems right for > the hub which measures .711in inside diameter but I'm pretty sure the > OD of > the splines on the larger (lower) is looking like .75" > > Are alpine steering > shafts the same? > > The car was in a fron ender at some point and that shaft > could have been swapped out or something, but something doesn't seem > right. > Thanks for the info, going to have to open it up and look at it, will > get a > picture this time! > > Sandy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 7 08:37:01 2010 From: Paul.Tonizzo@sybase.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:17:34 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] NAPA rad hoses As requested: NAPA #'s: Upper 7459 Lower 7746 These are not made for Tiger and both have to be cut on both ends as I remember. I'm sure there are others, but these worked fine. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 7 08:54:27 2010 From: Sandy Ganz To: "Smit, Theo" , "Would U. Believe" Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 07:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s) That is the picture I was looking for! Yes, that's what I'm talking about, seems that I do have the wrong adapter, as the one I got just slides right over the top as the splines on the correct place to attache the wheel looks like about .625" from measuring on the inside of the GRANT adapter which fit the spline perfect just like the Motolita wheel adapter. The measure on the hub I got was around .690" which now really looks wrong. Already had a call from Crowders so at least they are following up. And huge thanks Theo for the picture link! Back on the phone and to see what they can do, hopefully they have a way to measure the next one they shop out. And they have no part number or stampings on the part they sent which is also a mystery... Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "Smit, Theo" To: Sandy Ganz ; Would U. Believe ; "tigers@autox.team.net" Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 6:40:17 AM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s) Are you guys talking about the splined section that allows the steering wheel to be telescoped about 2 inches? The steering wheel hub does not engage that part... http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmJ4.asp Check the picture. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz > Sent: June 6, 2010 10:56 PM > To: Would U. Believe; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s) > > I'm going to have to yank it apart again, I think it had 2 distinct > sections > of splines, stepped if you will. The Grant Adapter and the Motolita > adapter > only slide on the first (top) spline set. It may be tapered but seemed > more > like a step to the second sized spline. > > 18mm = .709in which seems right for > the hub which measures .711in inside diameter but I'm pretty sure the > OD of > the splines on the larger (lower) is looking like .75" > > Are alpine steering > shafts the same? > > The car was in a fron ender at some point and that shaft > could have been swapped out or something, but something doesn't seem > right. > Thanks for the info, going to have to open it up and look at it, will > get a > picture this time! > > Sandy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 7 09:09:46 2010 From: mcdangerous@verizon.net To: Theo.Smit@dynastream.com Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 09:39:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s) I don't know about anyone else. I know I'm only talking about the splines of the hub where they mate to the steering column. Jun 7, 2010 09:08:56 AM, Theo.Smit@dynastream.com wrote: Are you guys talking about the splined section that allows the steering wheel to be telescoped about 2 inches? The steering wheel hub does not engage that part... http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmJ4.asp Check the picture. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz > Sent: June 6, 2010 10:56 PM > To: Would U. Believe; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s) > > I'm going to have to yank it apart again, I think it had 2 distinct > sections > of splines, stepped if you will. The Grant Adapter and the Motolita > adapter > only slide on the first (top) spline set. It may be tapered but seemed > more > like a step to the second sized spline. > > 18mm = .709in which seems right for > the hub which measures .711in inside diameter but I'm pretty sure the > OD of > the splines on the larger (lower) is looking like .75" > > Are alpine steering > shafts the same? > > The car was in a fron ender at some point and that shaft > could have been swapped out or something, but something doesn't seem > right. > Thanks for the info, going to have to open it up and look at it, will > get a > picture this time! > > Sandy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 7 12:10:55 2010 From: "Norman C. Miller" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 10:40:41 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] MYSTERY TIGER AT CARLISLE SHOW Anybody know this car? http://e6xlfw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pneuYsSgZxp8qp5x2-UiT4UIEtJZBMDg3-_AX4no-gTosAGRF-cR4i7SQnYi6DwjOAw9JZrndhfUTEQu1PNh4-sbMORY8rQ4B/P6050216.jpg Norm _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 7 13:44:36 2010 From: mcdangerous@verizon.net To: rootes1@earthlink.net Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 14:15:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] MYSTERY TIGER AT CARLISLE SHOW I don't know the car, but it has a Maryland license plate on it, if that helps narrow it down a bit. Jun 7, 2010 01:11:36 PM, rootes1@earthlink.net wrote: Anybody know this car? http://e6xlfw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pneuYsSgZxp8qp5x2-UiT4UIEtJZBMDg3-_AX4no-gTosAGRF-cR4i7SQnYi6DwjOAw9JZrndhfUTEQu1PNh4-sbMORY8rQ4B/P6050216.jpg Norm _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 7 15:22:41 2010 From: "Will Seay" To: , Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:33:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] MYSTERY TIGER AT CARLISLE SHOW MK1A with Maryland plates might be Clyde Mclaughlin's car. Clyde is a lister so we should hear from him either way. Will Seay - B382001570 ____________________ w_seay@embarqmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] MYSTERY TIGER AT CARLISLE SHOW >I don't know the car, but it has a Maryland license plate on it, if that >helps narrow it down a bit. > > Jun 7, 2010 01:11:36 PM, rootes1@earthlink.net wrote: > > Anybody know this car? > http://e6xlfw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pneuYsSgZxp8qp5x2-UiT4UIEtJZBMDg3-_AX4no-gTosAGRF-cR4i7SQnYi6DwjOAw9JZrndhfUTEQu1PNh4-sbMORY8rQ4B/P6050216.jpg > > Norm _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 7 16:16:22 2010 From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" To: TIGERS@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 16:46:15 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Lord_rooted_=22winner=22?= Hi all, I recall a mk.2 that won the lord rootes trophy and was later found to be a conversion. What ever happened to that car? Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Will Seay" Date: Mon, Jun 7, 2010 15:33 Subject: [Tigers] MYSTERY TIGER AT CARLISLE SHOW To: , Cc: MK1A with Maryland plates might be Clyde Mclaughlin's car. Clyde is a lister so we should hear from him either way. Will Seay - B382001570 ____________________ w_seay@embarqmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] MYSTERY TIGER AT CARLISLE SHOW >I don't know the car, but it has a Maryland license plate on it, if that >helps narrow it down a bit. > > Jun 7, 2010 01:11:36 PM, rootes1@earthlink.net wrote: > > Anybody know this car? > http://e6xlfw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pneuYsSgZxp8qp5x2-UiT4UIEtJZBMDg3-_AX4no-gTosAGRF-cR4i7SQnYi6DwjOAw9JZrndhfUTEQu1PNh4-sbMORY8rQ4B/P6050216.jpg > > Norm _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 7 16:17:13 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: TheoSmit , "Would U. Believe" Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s) THANKS Theo, I saved the exlpoded view as well TtT --- On Mon, 6/7/10, Sandy Ganz wrote: From: Sandy Ganz Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s) To: "Smit, Theo" , "Would U. Believe" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 9:27 AM That is the picture I was looking for! Yes, that's what I'm talking about, seems that I do have the wrong adapter, as the one I got just slides right over the top as the splines on the correct place to attache the wheel looks like about .625" from measuring on the inside of the GRANT adapter which fit the spline perfect just like the Motolita wheel adapter. The measure on the hub I got was around .690" which now really looks wrong. Already had a call from Crowders so at least they are following up. And huge thanks Theo for the picture link! Back on the phone and to see what they can do, hopefully they have a way to measure the next one they shop out. And they have no part number or stampings on the part they sent which is also a mystery... Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "Smit, Theo" To: Sandy Ganz ; Would U. Believe ; "tigers@autox.team.net" Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 6:40:17 AM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s) Are you guys talking about the splined section that allows the steering wheel to be telescoped about 2 inches? The steering wheel hub does not engage that part... http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmJ4.asp Check the picture. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz > Sent: June 6, 2010 10:56 PM > To: Would U. Believe; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s) > > I'm going to have to yank it apart again, I think it had 2 distinct > sections > of splines, stepped if you will. The Grant Adapter and the Motolita > adapter > only slide on the first (top) spline set. It may be tapered but seemed > more > like a step to the second sized spline. > > 18mm = .709in which seems right for > the hub which measures .711in inside diameter but I'm pretty sure the > OD of > the splines on the larger (lower) is looking like .75" > > Are alpine steering > shafts the same? > > The car was in a fron ender at some point and that shaft > could have been swapped out or something, but something doesn't seem > right. > Thanks for the info, going to have to open it up and look at it, will > get a > picture this time! > > Sandy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 7 18:24:30 2010 From: David T Johnson To: mcdangerous@verizon.net, rootes1@earthlink.net, Will Seay Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] MYSTERY TIGER AT CARLISLE SHOW If the plate says WJS its the late Wally Swifts MK IA --- On Mon, 6/7/10, Will Seay wrote: From: Will Seay Subject: Re: [Tigers] MYSTERY TIGER AT CARLISLE SHOW To: mcdangerous@verizon.net, rootes1@earthlink.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 8:33 PM MK1A with Maryland plates might be Clyde Mclaughlin's car. Clyde is a lister so we should hear from him either way. Will Seay - B382001570 ____________________ w_seay@embarqmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] MYSTERY TIGER AT CARLISLE SHOW >I don't know the car, but it has a Maryland license plate on it, if that >helps narrow it down a bit. > > Jun 7, 2010 01:11:36 PM, rootes1@earthlink.net wrote: > > Anybody know this car? > http://e6xlfw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pneuYsSgZxp8qp5x2-UiT4UIEtJZBMDg3-_AX4n o-gTosAGRF-cR4i7SQnYi6DwjOAw9JZrndhfUTEQu1PNh4-sbMORY8rQ4B/P6050216.jpg > > Norm _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 8 12:58:48 2010 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 11:23:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds A bit late to reading this but I found an interesting article over on the Mopar side of my life. They took a mildly prepared 360 and tried every manifold/header possible that would fit the heads. The bottom line was that $800 TTI headers added 10 HP over lowly 318 stock manifolds with 24" of open pipe ( to 5,100 RPM test ). The lauded "340" manifolds (much like HiPo 289 manifolds) added only 4 HP. So, at least for the SB Mopar headers seem like a lot of cost for very little gain. The SB Fords are said to have a bad exhaust port design (size). So, I'm not sure whether headers would help, or become even less relevant. The Tiger is somewhat of an exception because it came with dual exhaust. But a lot of people who say headers "woke up" their car typically had a single exhaust to start. So, sure going to headers AND dual exhaust will make a difference. I'm not down on headers, it just comes down to need, cost and added possible troubles (leaks, dents, clearance etc.). Remember too that "Bigger is not always better." Nor is there a desire to "have back pressure." What you want is velocity. The exhaust piping size should be matched to a desired RPM range. Which brings me to the concept of variable exhaust. Just like there are multi valve engines that allow for good intake velocity and the ability to meet an added demand I'm surprised there aren't designs that follow a similar concept on the exhaust side. I'm thinking of a smaller primary exhaust pipe with a sprung flap that vents to a larger pipe secondary pipe on demand. Anyway, just thinking out loud. Tom _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 8 13:41:27 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, Thomas Witt Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds Tom It makes sense and out of 3 sets I just sold my best set- after reading your out loud thinking, perhaps I should have sold the second best as I have at least two more Tigers to complete and I could have done a check the first time I had to remove the headers or stock exhaust- kind of my own dyno by driving test.At least you saved the buyer some $$$ as I might have read your "thoughts"- which make sense and ask more for the stock exhaust manifolds;. EVERYONE on the LIST, Have a nice day and remember to tell your family you care( Love is a good word to use) them,especially the younger ones. TonytheTiger --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Thomas Witt wrote: From: Thomas Witt Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:23 PM A bit late to reading this but I found an interesting article over on the Mopar side of my life. They took a mildly prepared 360 and tried every manifold/header possible that would fit the heads. The bottom line was that $800 TTI headers added 10 HP over lowly 318 stock manifolds with 24" of open pipe ( to 5,100 RPM test ). The lauded "340" manifolds (much like HiPo 289 manifolds) added only 4 HP. So, at least for the SB Mopar headers seem like a lot of cost for very little gain. The SB Fords are said to have a bad exhaust port design (size). So, I'm not sure whether headers would help, or become even less relevant. The Tiger is somewhat of an exception because it came with dual exhaust. But a lot of people who say headers "woke up" their car typically had a single exhaust to start. So, sure going to headers AND dual exhaust will make a difference. I'm not down on headers, it just comes down to need, cost and added possible troubles (leaks, dents, clearance etc.). Remember too that "Bigger is not always better." Nor is there a desire to "have back pressure." What you want is velocity. The exhaust piping size should be matched to a desired RPM range. Which brings me to the concept of variable exhaust. Just like there are multi valve engines that allow for good intake velocity and the ability to meet an added demand I'm surprised there aren't designs that follow a similar concept on the exhaust side. I'm thinking of a smaller primary exhaust pipe with a sprung flap that vents to a larger pipe secondary pipe on demand. Anyway, just thinking out loud. Tom _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 8 13:56:57 2010 From: Tom Parker To: Thomas Witt Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:23:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds I can't say whether Rick's headers will improve the 289's performance by themselves, and I'll never know, mainly because the stock Ford heads are sitting in a box next to the stock Ford exhaust manifolds and the stock 2-barrel Ford intake manifold. They'll go with the car if I ever sell it. In their places are Edelbrock E-Street heads and a performer manifold. The heads have much improved intake and exhaust valves and runners, and they cost about what a conversion to unleaded fuel exhaust valves / valve job would have cost... less than a grand. I've read the intake manifold isn't any better than the F-4B manifold that came with the LAT option, but I'm comfortable it flows better than the stock Ford cast-iron 4-barrel manifold, and it's a hellova lot lighter. Add to that a mild Edelbrock cam and I expect it'll put some fire under this old man's bottom. Maybe not "all it could be", but better than it was. I suspect it'd be hard to say whether a set of headers would improve the car's performance because I suspect that most guys, like me, wouldn't add them alone. What I may do is weigh the car. It'd be interesting to know what the weight distribution is with my LAT hood and all that cast iron gone. BTW, a 340 with a six-pack was a great little engine in its day, as good or better than anything GM had to offer in their "stock" 327s. The 360 wasn't too bad either. Tom On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Thomas Witt wrote: > A bit late to reading this but I found an interesting article over on the > Mopar side of my life. They took a mildly prepared 360 and tried every > manifold/header possible that would fit the heads. The bottom line was that > $800 TTI headers added 10 HP over lowly 318 stock manifolds with 24" of open > pipe ( to 5,100 RPM test ). The lauded "340" manifolds (much like HiPo 289 > manifolds) added only 4 HP. So, at least for the SB Mopar headers seem like > a lot of cost for very little gain. > > The SB Fords are said to have a bad exhaust port design (size). So, I'm not > sure whether headers would help, or become even less relevant. The Tiger is > somewhat of an exception because it came with dual exhaust. But a lot of > people who say headers "woke up" their car typically had a single exhaust to > start. So, sure going to headers AND dual exhaust will make a difference. > I'm not down on headers, it just comes down to need, cost and added possible > troubles (leaks, dents, clearance etc.). Remember too that "Bigger is not > always better." Nor is there a desire to "have back pressure." What you > want is velocity. The exhaust piping size should be matched to a desired RPM > range. > > Which brings me to the concept of variable exhaust. Just like there are > multi valve engines that allow for good intake velocity and the ability to > meet an added demand I'm surprised there aren't designs that follow a > similar concept on the exhaust side. I'm thinking of a smaller primary > exhaust pipe with a sprung flap that vents to a larger pipe secondary pipe > on demand. Anyway, just thinking out loud. > Tom _______________________________________________ > > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 8 14:43:59 2010 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: "Thomas Witt" , Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:02:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds Tom, Variable tuned exhaust has been used for years on high-performance motorcycles. Yamaha pioneered it with their EXUP system, now Honda and Kawasaki use it and BMW's new S1000 sportbike uses it (191 HP at the rear wheel, 440 lbs. wet). Furthermore, several of these bikes also employ variable intake tracts, with servos lengthening or shortening the velocity stacks inside the airbox depending on engine speed and load. Add variable valve timing, three-dimensional fuel and ignition mapping and these engines make 200HP per liter yet are docile around town. Ain't high tech cool? Bugz -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Witt Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 2:24 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds Which brings me to the concept of variable exhaust. Just like there are multi valve engines that allow for good intake velocity and the ability to meet an added demand I'm surprised there aren't designs that follow a similar concept on the exhaust side. I'm thinking of a smaller primary exhaust pipe with a sprung flap that vents to a larger pipe secondary pipe on demand. Anyway, just thinking out loud. Tom _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 8 17:47:20 2010 From: michael king To: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 09:12:19 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds Mark, Variable inlets were used on the 90's M3 BMW's and in F1 until it got banned they had variable inlets and exhausts.. lots of modern cars have butterfly valves in the mufflers these days to let them be quiet down low and loud when you step on it.. but in theory it sort of does the same thing.. increases flow at higher rpm when the engine breathes harder. On 9 June 2010 06:02, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) wrote: > Tom, > Variable tuned exhaust has been used for years on high-performance > motorcycles. Yamaha pioneered it with their EXUP system, now Honda and > Kawasaki use it and BMW's new S1000 sportbike uses it (191 HP at the > rear wheel, 440 lbs. wet). Furthermore, several of these bikes also > employ variable intake tracts, with servos lengthening or shortening the > velocity stacks inside the airbox depending on engine speed and load. > Add variable valve timing, three-dimensional fuel and ignition mapping > and these engines make 200HP per liter yet are docile around town. Ain't > high tech cool? > > Bugz > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Witt > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 2:24 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds > > Which brings me to the concept of variable exhaust. Just like there are > multi valve engines that allow for good intake velocity and the ability > to meet an added demand I'm surprised there aren't designs that follow a > similar concept on the exhaust side. I'm thinking of a smaller primary > exhaust pipe with a sprung flap that vents to a larger pipe secondary > pipe on demand. Anyway, just thinking out loud. > Tom > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 9 05:34:37 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 06:48:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Shifter Installation (and engine R&R to-do list) Hi all. I should probably spend more time under my Tiger... I am wondering if it's possible to install a shifter onto a Toploader while installed in the car. I've delayed the installation of my engine and transmission due to a little hiccup with my Hurst shifter. I have the original shifter on right now and am wondering if I can go ahead and install it, then change it out down the road. Does anyone know offhand? I know someone sent this in a previous email, which I can't locate, but I'm looking for the lists of things that must be disconnected or removed in order to remove the engine from the bottom (and the top). Thanks a lot! _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 9 05:35:21 2010 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 06:53:28 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] mystry tiger It's not mine, I was not at Carlyle, Clyde in MD...my tag is "86 and 99" _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 9 12:07:56 2010 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:47:10 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] A New Convenience for Your Tiger? I found this great automotive item on Amazon and just had to share. I dare you to try to drink a soda while reading the reviews. I double-dog dare you! :>) http://www.amazon.com/Mobile-Office-WM-01-Laptop-Steering/dp/B000IZGIA8/ ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 9 12:33:37 2010 From: David T Johnson To: tigers@autox.team.net, "Norman C. Miller" Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] MYSTERY TIGER AT CARLISLE SHOW Its not Uncle Wally's His MKIA had MKII wheel well moldings. He liked it that way. Dave --- On Mon, 6/7/10, Norman C. Miller wrote: From: Norman C. Miller Subject: [Tigers] MYSTERY TIGER AT CARLISLE SHOW To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 5:40 PM Anybody know this car? http://e6xlfw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pneuYsSgZxp8qp5x2-UiT4UIEtJZBMDg3-_AX4n o-gTosAGRF-cR4i7SQnYi6DwjOAw9JZrndhfUTEQu1PNh4-sbMORY8rQ4B/P6050216.jpg Norm _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 9 13:10:40 2010 From: drmayf To: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:34:58 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] A New Convenience for Your Tiger? Now, dang! That is just plan too good to be true! I may need to get a gross to use when I drive the sunbeam on the salt. I can put the netbook right under my nose and watch all the data streaming in. Wow! Instant playforward. Realtime data! I'll know how the engine is performing before it knows! All becaus eof this litle device to put the net book on... I say again...WOW! mayf Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) wrote: >I found this great automotive item on Amazon and just had to share. > >I dare you to try to drink a soda while reading the reviews. I >double-dog dare you! > >:>) > >http://www.amazon.com/Mobile-Office-WM-01-Laptop-Steering/dp/B000IZGIA8/ >ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top >_______________________________________________ >Tigers@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf@mayfco.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 9 13:13:18 2010 From: Joel Martin To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds Who makes and sells the best headers for the MK 1A tigers? I see many 'coated' but what are they coated with? What color should they be? Thanks Joel _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 9 16:51:51 2010 From: "Stu Brennan" To: "'Would U. Believe'" , Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:26:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shifter Installation (and engine R&R to-do list) The answer is yes, I've had my stock shifter in and out a couple times. Many, myself included, had problems getting the stock shifter out once it is detached from the side of the transmission. The technique I used was to disassemble the thing in place, don't try to get it out in one piece. Stu _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 9 16:52:13 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 18:30:30 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger Hi everyone. So, I've been thinking... What's the best distributor for the Tiger? Thanks in advance! _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 9 17:23:59 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Would U. Believe" , Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:07:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger That depends on your application. - Are you going for stock appearance? - What is the RPM range that you're expecting to use? - Are you using a high-energy coil driver or using large plug gaps? - Do you want vacuum advance? Mechanical advance? Boost retard? - Do you want adjustable mechanical advance stops? - Are you putting this in a roller-cam block? Will you need a steel, composite, bronze or cast-iron distributor gear? The "best" from a performance perspective, is to ditch the distributor and wires altogether, and use a crank trigger unit like the ford EDIS system, and coil-near-plug drivers that you could adapt from modular motor (4.6L) or some import applications. This may require more invention on your part than what you're ready to put in. Next would be a crank-trigger unit that has siamesed coils and triggers the plugs in pairs. This requires special plugs on one bank, if you want to have low-maintenance operation. After that, go to a high quality distributor: Billet body, ball bearings, adjustable advance curve, with vacuum for good highway mileage. Next after that is to use a Ford distributor body and make sure it's rebuilt to better-than-new specs. You can do this with a stock distributor, provided you can find the rebuild parts for it. In any event, ditch the points and use a quality electronic triggering method, along with known-good coil, plugs and wires. This, and making sure the shaft is straight (and that the rotor and cap fit properly) are the key basics to a reliable ignition system. Theo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 9 17:40:34 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: "Smit, Theo" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 19:17:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger (no rollers) Hi. I want stock appearance and the engine is a mild cammed 289. I don't expect to race this car and I don't expect to exceed 6000 RPM. I think the stock distributor had a vacuum advance, but I don't know for sure. What do you think? On 6/9/10 7:07 PM, "Smit, Theo" wrote: > That depends on your application. > - Are you going for stock appearance? > - What is the RPM range that you're expecting to use? > - Are you using a high-energy coil driver or using large plug gaps? > - Do you want vacuum advance? Mechanical advance? Boost retard? > - Do you want adjustable mechanical advance stops? > - Are you putting this in a roller-cam block? Will you need a steel, > composite, bronze or cast-iron distributor gear? > > The "best" from a performance perspective, is to ditch the distributor and > wires altogether, and use a crank trigger unit like the ford EDIS system, and > coil-near-plug drivers that you could adapt from modular motor (4.6L) or some > import applications. This may require more invention on your part than what > you're ready to put in. > Next would be a crank-trigger unit that has siamesed coils and triggers the > plugs in pairs. This requires special plugs on one bank, if you want to have > low-maintenance operation. > After that, go to a high quality distributor: Billet body, ball bearings, > adjustable advance curve, with vacuum for good highway mileage. > Next after that is to use a Ford distributor body and make sure it's rebuilt > to better-than-new specs. You can do this with a stock distributor, provided > you can find the rebuild parts for it. > > In any event, ditch the points and use a quality electronic triggering method, > along with known-good coil, plugs and wires. This, and making sure the shaft > is straight (and that the rotor and cap fit properly) are the key basics to a > reliable ignition system. > > Theo > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole > use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please > be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or > any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > please contact the sender and delete all copies. > > Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 9 17:56:38 2010 From: "Buck Trippel" To: "Smit, Theo" , "Would U. Believe" Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:38:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger I'd like to add to Theo's comments that if you decide to buy an aftermarket distributor you should ask about its height. I got a "Ford SB" distributor that was so tall it would not clear the Tiger's hood. bt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Would U. Believe" ; Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger > That depends on your application. > - Are you going for stock appearance? > - What is the RPM range that you're expecting to use? > - Are you using a high-energy coil driver or using large plug gaps? > - Do you want vacuum advance? Mechanical advance? Boost retard? > - Do you want adjustable mechanical advance stops? > - Are you putting this in a roller-cam block? Will you need a steel, > composite, bronze or cast-iron distributor gear? > > The "best" from a performance perspective, is to ditch the distributor and > wires altogether, and use a crank trigger unit like the ford EDIS system, > and > coil-near-plug drivers that you could adapt from modular motor (4.6L) or > some > import applications. This may require more invention on your part than > what > you're ready to put in. > Next would be a crank-trigger unit that has siamesed coils and triggers > the > plugs in pairs. This requires special plugs on one bank, if you want to > have > low-maintenance operation. > After that, go to a high quality distributor: Billet body, ball bearings, > adjustable advance curve, with vacuum for good highway mileage. > Next after that is to use a Ford distributor body and make sure it's > rebuilt > to better-than-new specs. You can do this with a stock distributor, > provided > you can find the rebuild parts for it. > > In any event, ditch the points and use a quality electronic triggering > method, > along with known-good coil, plugs and wires. This, and making sure the > shaft > is straight (and that the rotor and cap fit properly) are the key basics > to a > reliable ignition system. > > Theo > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the > sole > use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, > please > be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail > or > any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > please contact the sender and delete all copies. > > Thank you for your cooperation. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 9 18:11:26 2010 From: michael king To: "Would U. Believe" Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:45:40 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger Mauro, As you seem to be always gogin on about wanting it stock, then modfied but erversable.. you need to be clear as to what your requirements are. Theo is on the money as to what he said.. If you want a distributor go to electronic.. Choose between optical and magnetic Choose if you want a more powerful spark Choose if you want a controller crane Hi6/MSd etc or to keep stock appearane get a petronix or lumention etc that replaces the points in a stock unit. that will look the most correct. On 10 June 2010 09:17, Would U. Believe wrote: > (no rollers) Hi. I want stock appearance and the engine is a mild cammed > 289. I don't expect to race this car and I don't expect to exceed 6000 > RPM. > I think the stock distributor had a vacuum advance, but I don't know for > sure. What do you think? > > > On 6/9/10 7:07 PM, "Smit, Theo" wrote: > > > That depends on your application. > > - Are you going for stock appearance? > > - What is the RPM range that you're expecting to use? > > - Are you using a high-energy coil driver or using large plug gaps? > > - Do you want vacuum advance? Mechanical advance? Boost retard? > > - Do you want adjustable mechanical advance stops? > > - Are you putting this in a roller-cam block? Will you need a steel, > > composite, bronze or cast-iron distributor gear? > > > > The "best" from a performance perspective, is to ditch the distributor > and > > wires altogether, and use a crank trigger unit like the ford EDIS system, > and > > coil-near-plug drivers that you could adapt from modular motor (4.6L) or > some > > import applications. This may require more invention on your part than > what > > you're ready to put in. > > Next would be a crank-trigger unit that has siamesed coils and triggers > the > > plugs in pairs. This requires special plugs on one bank, if you want to > have > > low-maintenance operation. > > After that, go to a high quality distributor: Billet body, ball bearings, > > adjustable advance curve, with vacuum for good highway mileage. > > Next after that is to use a Ford distributor body and make sure it's > rebuilt > > to better-than-new specs. You can do this with a stock distributor, > provided > > you can find the rebuild parts for it. > > > > In any event, ditch the points and use a quality electronic triggering > method, > > along with known-good coil, plugs and wires. This, and making sure the > shaft > > is straight (and that the rotor and cap fit properly) are the key basics > to a > > reliable ignition system. > > > > Theo > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the > sole > > use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, > please > > be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail > or > > any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > > please contact the sender and delete all copies. > > > > Thank you for your cooperation. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 9 18:12:34 2010 From: "Lynn Wall" To: "'Would U. Believe'" , "'Smit, Theo'" Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:49:31 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger Stock distributor with pertronix -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Would U. Believe Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 4:18 PM To: Smit, Theo; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger (no rollers) Hi. I want stock appearance and the engine is a mild cammed 289. I don't expect to race this car and I don't expect to exceed 6000 RPM. I think the stock distributor had a vacuum advance, but I don't know for sure. What do you think? On 6/9/10 7:07 PM, "Smit, Theo" wrote: > That depends on your application. > - Are you going for stock appearance? > - What is the RPM range that you're expecting to use? > - Are you using a high-energy coil driver or using large plug gaps? > - Do you want vacuum advance? Mechanical advance? Boost retard? > - Do you want adjustable mechanical advance stops? > - Are you putting this in a roller-cam block? Will you need a steel, > composite, bronze or cast-iron distributor gear? > > The "best" from a performance perspective, is to ditch the distributor and > wires altogether, and use a crank trigger unit like the ford EDIS system, and > coil-near-plug drivers that you could adapt from modular motor (4.6L) or some > import applications. This may require more invention on your part than what > you're ready to put in. > Next would be a crank-trigger unit that has siamesed coils and triggers the > plugs in pairs. This requires special plugs on one bank, if you want to have > low-maintenance operation. > After that, go to a high quality distributor: Billet body, ball bearings, > adjustable advance curve, with vacuum for good highway mileage. > Next after that is to use a Ford distributor body and make sure it's rebuilt > to better-than-new specs. You can do this with a stock distributor, provided > you can find the rebuild parts for it. > > In any event, ditch the points and use a quality electronic triggering method, > along with known-good coil, plugs and wires. This, and making sure the shaft > is straight (and that the rotor and cap fit properly) are the key basics to a > reliable ignition system. > > Theo > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > -- > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole > use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please > be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or > any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > please contact the sender and delete all copies. > > Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars@wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 9 18:13:05 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: michael king Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 19:57:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger Michael, Stock 3appearance2, not really stock. All I want are performance improvements with stock appearance, but nothing that would cause me to have to make irreversible modifications. These are my requirements. What9s the part number for the stock distributor for a MKII Tiger? Thanks. On 6/9/10 7:45 PM, "michael king" wrote: > Mauro, > > As you seem to be always gogin on about wanting it stock, then modfied but > erversable.. you need to be clear as to what your requirements are. Theo is on > the money as to what he said.. > > If you want a distributor go to electronic.. > Choose between optical and magnetic > Choose if you want a more powerful spark > Choose if you want a controller crane Hi6/MSd etc > > or to keep stock appearane get a petronix or lumention etc that replaces the > points in a stock unit. that will look the most correct. > > > > On 10 June 2010 09:17, Would U. Believe wrote: >> (no rollers) Hi. I want stock appearance and the engine is a mild cammed >> 289. I don't expect to race this car and I don't expect to exceed 6000 RPM. >> I think the stock distributor had a vacuum advance, but I don't know for >> sure. What do you think? >> >> >> On 6/9/10 7:07 PM, "Smit, Theo" wrote: >> >>> > That depends on your application. >>> > - Are you going for stock appearance? >>> > - What is the RPM range that you're expecting to use? >>> > - Are you using a high-energy coil driver or using large plug gaps? >>> > - Do you want vacuum advance? Mechanical advance? Boost retard? >>> > - Do you want adjustable mechanical advance stops? >>> > - Are you putting this in a roller-cam block? Will you need a steel, >>> > composite, bronze or cast-iron distributor gear? >>> > >>> > The "best" from a performance perspective, is to ditch the distributor and >>> > wires altogether, and use a crank trigger unit like the ford EDIS system, >>> and >>> > coil-near-plug drivers that you could adapt from modular motor (4.6L) or >>> some >>> > import applications. This may require more invention on your part than >>> what >>> > you're ready to put in. >>> > Next would be a crank-trigger unit that has siamesed coils and triggers >>> the >>> > plugs in pairs. This requires special plugs on one bank, if you want to >>> have >>> > low-maintenance operation. >>> > After that, go to a high quality distributor: Billet body, ball bearings, >>> > adjustable advance curve, with vacuum for good highway mileage. >>> > Next after that is to use a Ford distributor body and make sure it's >>> rebuilt >>> > to better-than-new specs. You can do this with a stock distributor, >>> provided >>> > you can find the rebuild parts for it. >>> > >>> > In any event, ditch the points and use a quality electronic triggering >>> method, >>> > along with known-good coil, plugs and wires. This, and making sure the >>> shaft >>> > is straight (and that the rotor and cap fit properly) are the key basics >>> to a >>> > reliable ignition system. >>> > >>> > Theo >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------> >> -- >>> > -- >>> > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the >>> sole >>> > use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, >>> please >>> > be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail >>> or >>> > any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, >>> > please contact the sender and delete all copies. >>> > >>> > Thank you for your cooperation. >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 9 18:26:54 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: Lynn Wall , "'Smit, Theo'" Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 19:59:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger Thanks. That's what I'm planning. Do you know what the part number is on the stock distributor for a MKII Tiger? Thanks! On 6/9/10 7:49 PM, "Lynn Wall" wrote: > Stock distributor with pertronix > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Would U. Believe > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 4:18 PM > To: Smit, Theo; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger > > (no rollers) Hi. I want stock appearance and the engine is a mild cammed > 289. I don't expect to race this car and I don't expect to exceed 6000 RPM. > I think the stock distributor had a vacuum advance, but I don't know for > sure. What do you think? > > > On 6/9/10 7:07 PM, "Smit, Theo" wrote: > >> That depends on your application. >> - Are you going for stock appearance? >> - What is the RPM range that you're expecting to use? >> - Are you using a high-energy coil driver or using large plug gaps? >> - Do you want vacuum advance? Mechanical advance? Boost retard? >> - Do you want adjustable mechanical advance stops? >> - Are you putting this in a roller-cam block? Will you need a steel, >> composite, bronze or cast-iron distributor gear? >> >> The "best" from a performance perspective, is to ditch the distributor and >> wires altogether, and use a crank trigger unit like the ford EDIS system, > and >> coil-near-plug drivers that you could adapt from modular motor (4.6L) or > some >> import applications. This may require more invention on your part than > what >> you're ready to put in. >> Next would be a crank-trigger unit that has siamesed coils and triggers > the >> plugs in pairs. This requires special plugs on one bank, if you want to > have >> low-maintenance operation. >> After that, go to a high quality distributor: Billet body, ball bearings, >> adjustable advance curve, with vacuum for good highway mileage. >> Next after that is to use a Ford distributor body and make sure it's > rebuilt >> to better-than-new specs. You can do this with a stock distributor, > provided >> you can find the rebuild parts for it. >> >> In any event, ditch the points and use a quality electronic triggering > method, >> along with known-good coil, plugs and wires. This, and making sure the > shaft >> is straight (and that the rotor and cap fit properly) are the key basics > to a >> reliable ignition system. >> >> Theo >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- >> -- >> This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the > sole >> use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, > please >> be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail > or >> any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, >> please contact the sender and delete all copies. >> >> Thank you for your cooperation. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars@wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 9 18:39:59 2010 From: Tom Parker To: "Would U. Believe" Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:15:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shifter Installation (and engine R&R to-do list) I just went through that this past weekend with my Hurst shifter. I had to remove the transmission mount and drop the transmission down, and I had to remove the Hurst backing plate and install it first (there's a captive bolt...). I may have had to remove the outer shift rod, I don't recall... (it was a frustrating job, but do-able.) I think the original Ford shifter would be easier; you may have to remove the shift lever, but it isn't as bulky as the Hurst. Tom On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Would U. Believe wrote: > Hi all. I should probably spend more time under my Tiger... I am > wondering > if it's possible to install a shifter onto a Toploader while installed in > the car. I've delayed the installation of my engine and transmission due > to > a little hiccup with my Hurst shifter. I have the original shifter on > right > now and am wondering if I can go ahead and install it, then change it out > down the road. Does anyone know offhand? > > I know someone sent this in a previous email, which I can't locate, but I'm > looking for the lists of things that must be disconnected or removed in > order to remove the engine from the bottom (and the top). > > Thanks a lot! > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 9 18:40:12 2010 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: cars@wt-inc.com, mcdangerous@verizon.net, Theo.Smit@dynastream.com, Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:15:53 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger And if you go petronix you'll probably have to spend another few hundred to rework the tach. Ask me how I know;-) M In a message dated 6/9/2010 8:13:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cars@wt-inc.com writes: Stock distributor with pertronix -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Would U. Believe Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 4:18 PM To: Smit, Theo; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger (no rollers) Hi. I want stock appearance and the engine is a mild cammed 289. I don't expect to race this car and I don't expect to exceed 6000 RPM. I think the stock distributor had a vacuum advance, but I don't know for sure. What do you think? On 6/9/10 7:07 PM, "Smit, Theo" wrote: > That depends on your application. > - Are you going for stock appearance? > - What is the RPM range that you're expecting to use? > - Are you using a high-energy coil driver or using large plug gaps? > - Do you want vacuum advance? Mechanical advance? Boost retard? > - Do you want adjustable mechanical advance stops? > - Are you putting this in a roller-cam block? Will you need a steel, > composite, bronze or cast-iron distributor gear? > > The "best" from a performance perspective, is to ditch the distributor and > wires altogether, and use a crank trigger unit like the ford EDIS system, and > coil-near-plug drivers that you could adapt from modular motor (4.6L) or some > import applications. This may require more invention on your part than what > you're ready to put in. > Next would be a crank-trigger unit that has siamesed coils and triggers the > plugs in pairs. This requires special plugs on one bank, if you want to have > low-maintenance operation. > After that, go to a high quality distributor: Billet body, ball bearings, > adjustable advance curve, with vacuum for good highway mileage. > Next after that is to use a Ford distributor body and make sure it's rebuilt > to better-than-new specs. You can do this with a stock distributor, provided > you can find the rebuild parts for it. > > In any event, ditch the points and use a quality electronic triggering method, > along with known-good coil, plugs and wires. This, and making sure the shaft > is straight (and that the rotor and cap fit properly) are the key basics to a > reliable ignition system. > > Theo > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > -- > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole > use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please > be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or > any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > please contact the sender and delete all copies. > > Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars@wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 9 18:43:39 2010 From: Tom Parker To: Joel Martin Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:25:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds Rick at SS has a set (uncoated) for less than $300 that fit my Mark 2 with no modification. Performance Coatings in Georgia (They're in Hemmings and on the web) will coat them for $205 plus shipping. Since the engine and body are the same size on both cars I see no reason why they wouldn't fit a Mark 1A. Tom On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Joel Martin wrote: > Who makes and sells the best headers for the MK 1A tigers? I see many > 'coated' but what are they coated with? What color should they be? > > Thanks > Joel > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 9 18:57:18 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: Tom Parker Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 20:38:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shifter Installation (and engine R&R to-do list) Yeah. I was looking at it today and it seems like that would be necessary to install the Hurst. I think I will wait to get the hiccup with my Hurst to be resolved before installing it all. The original Ford shifter is really tight (unworn), though. I9m wondering, is the Hurst really much different? I hear they are really great. On 6/9/10 8:15 PM, "Tom Parker" wrote: > I just went through that this past weekend with my Hurst shifter. I had to > remove the transmission mount and drop the transmission down, and I had to > remove the Hurst backing plate and install it first (there's a captive > bolt...). I may have had to remove the outer shift rod, I don't recall... (it > was a frustrating job, but do-able.) > > I think the original Ford shifter would be easier; you may have to remove the > shift lever, but it isn't as bulky as the Hurst. > > > Tom > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Would U. Believe > wrote: >> Hi all. I should probably spend more time under my Tiger... I am wondering >> if it's possible to install a shifter onto a Toploader while installed in >> the car. I've delayed the installation of my engine and transmission due to >> a little hiccup with my Hurst shifter. I have the original shifter on right >> now and am wondering if I can go ahead and install it, then change it out >> down the road. Does anyone know offhand? >> >> I know someone sent this in a previous email, which I can't locate, but I'm >> looking for the lists of things that must be disconnected or removed in >> order to remove the engine from the bottom (and the top). >> >> Thanks a lot! >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 9 19:09:40 2010 From: Tom Parker To: "Would U. Believe" Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:50:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shifter Installation (and engine R&R to-do list) When I bought the car (a LONG time ago) I didn't like the Ford shifter, but I really don't remember why. The Hurst I bought to replace it has a short straight stick (no bend), it shifted quickly and never gave me problems. I found the original Ford shifter in a box; there's a guy in Maryland who rebuilds them. Once the car is back to running condition and all the bugs are worked out I plan to have the Ford shifter redone. I'll give it another try. Tom On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Would U. Believe wrote: > Yeah. I was looking at it today and it seems like that would be > necessary to install the Hurst. I think I will wait to get the hiccup with > my Hurst to be resolved before installing it all. The original Ford shifter > is really tight (unworn), though. Im wondering, is the Hurst really much > different? I hear they are really great. > > > > On 6/9/10 8:15 PM, "Tom Parker" wrote: > > I just went through that this past weekend with my Hurst shifter. I had to > remove the transmission mount and drop the transmission down, and I had to > remove the Hurst backing plate and install it first (there's a captive > bolt...). I may have had to remove the outer shift rod, I don't recall... > (it was a frustrating job, but do-able.) > > I think the original Ford shifter would be easier; you may have to remove > the shift lever, but it isn't as bulky as the Hurst. > > > Tom > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Would U. Believe > wrote: > > Hi all. I should probably spend more time under my Tiger... I am > wondering > if it's possible to install a shifter onto a Toploader while installed in > the car. I've delayed the installation of my engine and transmission due > to > a little hiccup with my Hurst shifter. I have the original shifter on > right > now and am wondering if I can go ahead and install it, then change it out > down the road. Does anyone know offhand? > > I know someone sent this in a previous email, which I can't locate, but I'm > looking for the lists of things that must be disconnected or removed in > order to remove the engine from the bottom (and the top). > > Thanks a lot! > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 9 19:39:55 2010 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 21:23:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger If you want an ignition system that will be reliable over the long run, it makes sense to convert to a solid-state distributor of some sort. There are some that look period correct such as the Mallory Unilite and are of superior construction to the Ford ones. You could, of course, rebuild the Ford distributor and install a Pertronix unit and that would be better than the original. A long time ago, I had installed a Mallory dual-point distributor so, when it came time to upgrade, I replaced the points with a pertronix setup and the stock tach worked just fine, although it was not very accurate. The solution is to install a modern circuit board a la Tom Hall/Theo Smit. Then you can run just about any distributor and/or ignition system. Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 9 20:55:34 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: Joel Martin , Tom Parker Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 19:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds Might check with Dr. Mayf as he is partners or owner of a coating shop to- just be sure to prefit, in case you need to dent them. I had ceramic on the inside and the outside looks shiney like nickle- not brighrt enough to be chrome BUT I think I would ask Dr. prior to doing anything to my headers. TtT --- On Wed, 6/9/10, Tom Parker wrote: From: Tom Parker Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds To: "Joel Martin" Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 7:25 PM Rick at SS has a set (uncoated) for less than $300 that fit my Mark 2 with no modification. Performance Coatings in Georgia (They're in Hemmings and on the web) will coat them for $205 plus shipping. Since the engine and body are the same size on both cars I see no reason why they wouldn't fit a Mark 1A. Tom On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Joel Martin wrote: > Who makes and sells the best headers for the MK 1A tigers? I see many > 'coated' but what are they coated with? What color should they be? > > Thanks > Joel > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 9 21:27:25 2010 From: THEO SMIT To: "Would U. Believe" Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 21:11:44 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger If you're going with a stock-ish distributor, then do some parts-bin engineering to set it up with a mechanical advance of 24 to 26 crankshaft degrees, and find a vacuum advance unit that has an adjustable limit (some do this with a hex key through the vacuum port). Then get a set of springs and weights that let you bring the advance in starting at about 1200 RPM and all-in at 2500 RPM. This combination lets you set the initial timing at 12 degrees instead of the original 6, and bring in the rest of the timing advance sooner, which will make your off-idle response a bit snappier. Some (or most) Ford smallblock distributors have two sets of mechanical advance springs and weights but only one side of the advance plate intercepts the advance limiting pin. The two sides of each advance plate are ground differently (and marked with a distributor-degrees value, IIRC) so you can adjust the distributor mechanical advance limit by just turning the advance plate 180 degrees over the lower part of the distributor shaft. Cheers, Theo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Would U. Believe" Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010 6:28 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger To: Lynn Wall , "'Smit, Theo'" , tigers@autox.team.net > Thanks. That's what I'm planning. Do you know what > the part number is on > the stock distributor for a MKII Tiger? Thanks! _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 9 22:56:12 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Would U. Believe'" Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 00:36:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger The MK II, 289 engine: stock distributor is C5AF-12127-M and has vacuum advance. This is a later style Ford distributor; that means it does not have an oil port and the center section has a tri-lobe shape. Any later style distributor will work and you can still buy them from any Mustang or Ford car catalog. I would use a later style Ford distributor with a Pertronix or similar ignition module. I have used this combination for almost 20 years now with no problems. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Would U. Believe Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:57 PM To: michael king Cc: Smit, Theo; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger Michael, Stock 3appearance2, not really stock. All I want are performance improvements with stock appearance, but nothing that would cause me to have to make irreversible modifications. These are my requirements. What9s the part number for the stock distributor for a MKII Tiger? Thanks. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 9 23:55:05 2010 From: drmayf To: Tony Somebody Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 22:32:09 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds Oops, tiz not me, lol. Dr. Moonstone is who you are searching for. Sean's realitive has a coating company in Fresno, Calif who does headers etc. Cap's Bright Hot Coatings. He did the headers fo the Sunbeam race car. The headers on the Tiger I have owned since 1967 were coated by Jet Hot folk about 15 years ago and they still look very nice as well. Mayf Tony Somebody wrote: >Might check with Dr. Mayf as he is partners or owner of a coating shop to- >just be sure to prefit, in case you need to dent them. I had ceramic on the >inside and the outside looks shiney like nickle- not brighrt enough to be >chrome BUT I think I would ask Dr. prior to doing anything to my headers. >TtT >--- On Wed, 6/9/10, Tom Parker wrote: > > >From: Tom Parker >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds >To: "Joel Martin" >Cc: tigers@autox.team.net >Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 7:25 PM > > >Rick at SS has a set (uncoated) for less than $300 that fit my Mark 2 with >no modification. Performance Coatings in Georgia (They're in Hemmings and on >the web) will coat them for $205 plus shipping. Since the engine and body >are the same size on both cars I see no reason why they wouldn't fit a Mark >1A. > >Tom > >On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Joel Martin wrote: > > > >>Who makes and sells the best headers for the MK 1A tigers? I see many >>'coated' but what are they coated with? What color should they be? >> >>Thanks >>Joel >>_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 10 05:25:29 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: drmayf@mayfco.com Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds SORRY to the LIST and both Dr. Mayf and Dr. Moonstone- I get the days mixed up, why not two Dr's. who happen to have names that start w/ the same letter (M). At any rate, I would still recommend checking with DR. Moonstone as Dr. Mayf would not give a recommend about his headers unless true. THEN, be kind enough to tell everyone what it is on the outside and if there is something besides ceramic used on the inside. Headers become a large investment when you add the original cost and then having them coated etc. I have a set, never prefit them (DUH) had them sent off by a friend here in town who owns the largest Jaguar mail order business in the state- to my knowledge and chances are very high if you have a friend who bought a rebuilt Jag water pump, it was done in my friends business as I used to ride with his son who was in charge of the shop that rebuilt the pumps, I sadly report that after a motorcycle accident and several months of acomma, that he passed, just a young man, maybe 35 now(this was at least 1 year back) and I was always impressed by the great relationship the father and son shared, one I wish I had with my own son. Bill Terry also builds professional racing engines for Jags. My friend, because of a class change would have been running against our own Tiger Teams but had, for a reason I never learned, not been able to pass the physical after the change BUT he did do quite well when racing in another class, so I was anxious to see how he faired against the Tiger guys, who do quite well I might add. Sorry again for the wrong recommend. Everyone please have a great day and I seriously hope each of you and yours have just that. Many regards, TonytheTiger --- On Thu, 6/10/10, drmayf wrote: From: drmayf Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds To: "Tony Somebody" Cc: "Joel Martin" , "Tom Parker" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 12:32 AM Oops, tiz not me, lol. Dr. Moonstone is who you are searching for. Sean's realitive has a coating company in Fresno, Calif who does headers etc. Cap's Bright Hot Coatings. He did the headers fo the Sunbeam race car. The headers on the Tiger I have owned since 1967 were coated by Jet Hot folk about 15 years ago and they still look very nice as well. Mayf Tony Somebody wrote: >Might check with Dr. Mayf as he is partners or owner of a coating shop to- >just be sure to prefit, in case you need to dent them. I had ceramic on the >inside and the outside looks shiney like nickle- not brighrt enough to be >chrome BUT I think I would ask Dr. prior to doing anything to my headers. >TtT >--- On Wed, 6/9/10, Tom Parker wrote: > > >From: Tom Parker >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds >To: "Joel Martin" >Cc: tigers@autox.team.net >Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 7:25 PM > > >Rick at SS has a set (uncoated) for less than $300 that fit my Mark 2 with >no modification. Performance Coatings in Georgia (They're in Hemmings and on >the web) will coat them for $205 plus shipping. Since the engine and body >are the same size on both cars I see no reason why they wouldn't fit a Mark >1A. > >Tom > >On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Joel Martin wrote: > > > >>Who makes and sells the best headers for the MK 1A tigers? I see many >>'coated' but what are they coated with? What color should they be? >> >>Thanks >>Joel >>_______________________________________________ >> >> > _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 10 05:42:05 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: tahoedonzi@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] maybe BAD!!! DON'T OPEN the copy of the original that T-Don- Did you send this? I am afraid I was stupid enough to try to open or run it and then I got a pink warning at the top of the page- also, supposedly from Microsoft I would need "something " to be able to run it added on- to dumb to remember what the add on was BUT then, nothing would stop it, so I unplugged the charger (battery is worn out & junk) and removed the battery so it hopefully caused me to loose everything that was running. It ignored me Xing it closed as well as the add on, then the little rectangle pops up saying it isn't responding, do I want to end now or cancel- well end now just added it to the list of open windows. I have some laptop problems and my Microsoft engineer nephew left on vacation prior to fixing what I messed up, so the only way I can connect is turn off my firewalls- not smart. Please let me know the bad news as I'm certain a bug sent the website, using your email address. TonytheTiger Sending a copy to the LIST in case others get this and it is as bad as I am afraid!!! --- On Thu, 6/10/10, tahoedonzi@aol.com wrote: From: tahoedonzi@aol.com Subject: To: aballard@ix.netcom.com, accobra@peoplepc.com, achd73@yahoo.com, adam@mohrimports.com, aectech1@gmail.com, aholmerud@rjlwm.com, akashkg@yahoo.com, al8085@comcast.net, alandgray@gmail.com, alasdellevante@terra.es Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 1:33 AM http://kim1900.pochtamt.ru/evifubo.html _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 10 07:26:19 2010 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:04:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger >I would use a later style Ford distributor with a Pertronix or similar >ignition module. I have used this combination for almost 20 years now with >no problems. I agree. I got mine from SS. Took it apart and flipped the mechanical advance to the more limited side and changed to Mr. Gasket lighter advance springs. It was about 1992 but I was able to get a new vacuum chamber with the screw in port just like original. I used the original screw in pieces but used a cut off screw or something to limit the vacuum advance too (see the shop manual). My rebuilt 260 has never run better. The Pertronix is the original style and has never fried the coil (or itself) and worked the stock tach too. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Fraser To: 'Would U. Believe' Cc: Theo' 'Smit , tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:36:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger The MK II, 289 engine: stock distributor is C5AF-12127-M and has vacuum advance. This is a later style Ford distributor; that means it does not have an oil port and the center section has a tri-lobe shape. Any later style distributor will work and you can still buy them from any Mustang or Ford car catalog. I would use a later style Ford distributor with a Pertronix or similar ignition module. I have used this combination for almost 20 years now with no problems. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Would U. Believe Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:57 PM To: michael king Cc: Smit, Theo; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger Michael, Stock 3appearance2, not really stock. All I want are performance improvements with stock appearance, but nothing that would cause me to have to make irreversible modifications. These are my requirements. What9s the part number for the stock distributor for a MKII Tiger? Thanks. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 10 07:26:50 2010 From: Carmods@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:07:03 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger It was said, "And if you go petronix you'll probably have to spend another few hundred to rework the tach. Ask me how I know;-)" I installed a Pertronix with a regular coil about 12 years ago and have had no tachometer problems. What did I do wrong? John _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 10 07:42:57 2010 From: Carmods@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:15:46 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds _tkparker_ (mailto:tkparker1941@gmail.com) writes: Rick at SS has a set (uncoated) for less than $300 that fit my Mark 2 with no modification Tom, I would recommend that you try the headers in the car and remove any interferences that you may have with the engine or body before you have them coated so that you don't have to destroy the coating. There are different coatings so is it ceramic, or paint? John Logan _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 10 08:28:54 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:56:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger John I believe some Tachs are more sensitive to this problem then others. It is most likely due to the condition of some the electronic components and how they react to RF from the ignition system. I know Tiger Tom looked at this problem a few years ago and I believe it is a capacitor, resistor filter that will make the Tach work smoothly but I'll leave that to the electrical types to define the filter. Tom Hall and Theo Smit developed a nice add on part to make the Tach work with most any system so if I ever need one I will buy one of their circuit boards. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carmods@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:07 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger It was said, "And if you go petronix you'll probably have to spend another few hundred to rework the tach. Ask me how I know;-)" I installed a Pertronix with a regular coil about 12 years ago and have had no tachometer problems. What did I do wrong? John _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2927 - Release Date: 06/09/10 06:35:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 10 09:44:12 2010 From: arado7@sbcglobal.net To: Carmods@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 08:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger I too did the same on my Mark 1.without issue. I Used Petronix on Nortons, Mg's No problems.but they have mechanical tachs.. Gary B9472283 --- On Thu, 6/10/10, Carmods@aol.com wrote: From: Carmods@aol.com Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 1:07 PM It was said, "And if you go petronix you'll probably have to spend another few hundred to rework the tach. Ask me how I know;-)" I installed a Pertronix with a regular coil about 12 years ago and have had no tachometer problems. What did I do wrong? John _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/arado7@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 10 09:45:18 2010 From: Gyroplanes@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:30:54 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Now what do I do? Hi Everyone, I have been occasionally posting and lurking for the last 10 years or so (mostly lurking) Just checking the list every month or so. Now I'm back and checking daily. My Tiger project stalled when I lost my job in 1995. I have relit the flame and took a plunge yesterday, I'll explain. My Tiger is ready for reassembly (I need help with this) I used to belong to several Tiger "clubs" and took their advice to heart.. here is what I did so far. 10 years or more ago: (engine is out of the car) I bagged the 260 and bought the recommended 1984 302 (non EFI & Computer) I bought the recommended Edelbrock performer low rise intake manifold I bought the recommended Edelbrock performer carburetor. Yesterday: I bought Edelbrock performer RPM aluminum cylinder heads (on sale $975 a pair, delivered plus a $50.00 rebate and 2 T-shirts from Vic) I realize I should have asked here before buying the heads. I now wonder if my (CATO?) shaved, Tiger valve covers will fit the Edelbrock rocker arms? Also, I would like to build up the engine with a mild cam. Back-in-the-day, I considered a Ford B303 cam. I now realize that things have changed a bit in the last 10-15 years and this might not be the best cam kit for a street driver with an attention getting idle. What's say you? My main purpose for the aluminum heads and intake were to reduce front end weight. I hope this logic wasn't flawed? Since I am back on the list, I'm all ears. Thanks in advance, Tom Milton Lansing, IL. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 10 10:27:19 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Gyroplanes@aol.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:05:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now what do I do? Is your block fitted with roller lifters? If not, then the B303 (or any other roller cam) will not work for you... If you don't have a roller block, then consider either changing to a newer block or else getting one of Crane's (or others) roller lifter cam kits for early blocks. You'll have less problems using low-additive oils and make more power to boot. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gyroplanes@aol.com > Sent: June 10, 2010 9:31 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Now what do I do? > > Hi Everyone, > > I bagged the 260 and bought the recommended 1984 302 (non EFI & > Computer) > > > Thanks in advance, > Tom Milton > Lansing, IL. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 10 10:28:00 2010 From: Gyroplanes@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:12:03 EDT Subject: [Tigers] What do I do now? I assumed the 1984 5.0 Mustang engine had the roller lifters? I'll find out when I pull the intake soon. Tom Is your block fitted with roller lifters? If not, then the B303 (or any other roller cam) will not work for you... If you don't have a roller block, then consider either changing to a newer block or else getting one of Crane's (or others) roller lifter cam kits for early blocks. You'll have less problems using low-additive oils and make more power to boot. Theo _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 10 10:42:53 2010 From: Gyroplanes@aol.com To: bob@rjosten.com Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:19:34 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now what do I do? In a message dated 6/10/2010 11:02:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, bob@rjosten.com writes: Hi Tom, where did you buy those heads? That's a good price. thanks Bob Advance Auto Parts, on-line. If you paste P20 in the "coupons" box, you get 20% off the entire order for the next few days. Free shipping too. I saw Vic Edelbrock on Horsepower TV, offering the $50.00 rebate and T-shirts. HPTV is building a 1967 Mustang road race car (Vic's family races them) I saved $244. 0ver their regular price. Without the P20, Jegs, etc. were cheaper. I'll get the $50.00 from Vic when the heads arrive in a few days. If I get a solid cam recommendation, I might get one with the 20% off too. Tom Tom _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 10 10:43:15 2010 From: Gyroplanes@aol.com To: achd73@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:26:42 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now what do I do? Thanks Tony, There was a guy (Johnson?) up in northern, IL. with a Tiger, but I never got to meet him. I am looking forward to finishing my restoration after a long hiatus. Thanks again, Tom In a message dated 6/10/2010 10:50:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, achd73@yahoo.com writes: GREETINGS from TonytheTiger in Benton, IL. I can help with some??s but there are guys smarter than me, so I will let them respond. I just wanted to let ya know you have a Tiger friend down here in southern IL. warmly, tonythetiger _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 10 10:56:53 2010 From: Gyroplanes@aol.com To: CoolVT@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:30:33 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now what do I do? Hi Mark, I did plan to do that, but I first wanted to hear from the guys on the street. I did see that Edelbrock has a complete package that bolts on a bunch of HP & Torque to a stock 5.0 engine. They have the dyno results posted and the whole thing was under $2,000 IIRC. It would have been a way to go, but since I already had the manifold and carb, I'm doing it piecemeal. Thanks, Tom In a message dated 6/10/2010 10:57:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time, CoolVT@aol.com writes: Tom, Sinc you have all Edelbrock stuff, I would think a call to their tech dept would be in order. I would tell them your requirements and ask their advice on a cam choice. Mark _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 10 10:57:58 2010 From: Gyroplanes@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:34:44 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Technical list question I just rejoined this list. When I receive the list e-mails, my reply button only replies to the person sending the e-mail and not the entire list. Did I set something up wrong? I have been manually typing in _tigers@autox.team.net_ (mailto:tigers@autox.team.net) To post to the entire list. Tom _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 10 10:58:24 2010 From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" To: "=?utf-8?B?U21pdCwgVGhlbw==?=" Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:40:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Now_what_do_I_do=3F?= There IS of course the crank thing with the newer blocks....... Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Smit, Theo" Date: Thu, Jun 10, 2010 11:05 Subject: [Tigers] Now what do I do? To: "Gyroplanes@aol.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Is your block fitted with roller lifters? If not, then the B303 (or any other roller cam) will not work for you... If you don't have a roller block, then consider either changing to a newer block or else getting one of Crane's (or others) roller lifter cam kits for early blocks. You'll have less problems using low-additive oils and make more power to boot. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gyroplanes@aol.com > Sent: June 10, 2010 9:31 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Now what do I do? > > Hi Everyone, > > I bagged the 260 and bought the recommended 1984 302 (non EFI & > Computer) > > > Thanks in advance, > Tom Milton > Lansing, IL. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 10 11:15:05 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "spook01@comcast.net" , "Gyroplanes@aol.com" Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:47:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now what do I do? Do tell. What crank thing? Theo From: spook01@comcast.net [mailto:spook01@comcast.net] Sent: June 10, 2010 10:41 AM To: Smit, Theo; Gyroplanes@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now what do I do? There IS of course the crank thing with the newer blocks....... Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Smit, Theo" Date: Thu, Jun 10, 2010 11:05 Subject: [Tigers] Now what do I do? To: "Gyroplanes@aol.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Is your block fitted with roller lifters? If not, then the B303 (or any other roller cam) will not work for you... If you don't have a roller block, then consider either changing to a newer block or else getting one of Crane's (or others) roller lifter cam kits for early blocks. You'll have less problems using low-additive oils and make more power to boot. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gyroplanes@aol.com > Sent: June 10, 2010 9:31 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Now what do I do? > > Hi Everyone, > > I bagged the 260 and bought the recommended 1984 302 (non EFI & > Computer) > > > Thanks in advance, > Tom Milton > Lansing, IL. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. 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Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 10 11:27:33 2010 From: Gyroplanes@aol.com To: clarkwgriswold2nd@gmail.com Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:01:05 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now what do I do? I bought the 60229 heads for use with the stock pistons. I really, really want to use my NOS Tiger valve covers. We will cross that bridge when I come to it. Tom In a message dated 6/10/2010 11:41:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, clarkwgriswold2nd@gmail.com writes: Lets see...on your performer rpm cylinder heads. I have a set as well that I bought for my Tiger. They are pedestal mount. If you bought the 60259 with the 2.02 valves, they DO NOT fit a stock 302 flat top piston without custom valve relief on my motor and I run the E-cam...(all of this is on fox body mustangs that I have now and in the past). Granted that E-cam has .498" total lift, so itbs a bit more aggressive than your b-cam consideration. But edelbrock actually states on their website that those heads donbt fit. ( 3rd bullet point at top of page They also will not clear the shallow style Tiger valve covers with pedestal or stud mount rockers, at least not without major modification, which I havent tried yet. I know you could install a spacer and gain valve train clearance but of course you run into the firewall then. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 10 11:28:58 2010 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: , Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:07:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now? If that is really a '84 block then it will be flat tappet. The first roller cam engines were in '85, that was also the last year of a carbureted engine. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gyroplanes@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:12 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] What do I do now? I assumed the 1984 5.0 Mustang engine had the roller lifters? I'll find out when I pull the intake soon. Tom Is your block fitted with roller lifters? If not, then the B303 (or any other roller cam) will not work for you... If you don't have a roller block, then consider either changing to a newer block or else getting one of Crane's (or others) roller lifter cam kits for early blocks. You'll have less problems using low-additive oils and make more power to boot. Theo _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mark.rense@ge.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 10 16:18:41 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:39:02 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Technical list question Tom You should have a Reply to All button that sends it to everyone. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gyroplanes@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:35 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Technical list question I just rejoined this list. When I receive the list e-mails, my reply button only replies to the person sending the e-mail and not the entire list. Did I set something up wrong? I have been manually typing in _tigers@autox.team.net_ (mailto:tigers@autox.team.net) To post to the entire list. Tom _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2927 - Release Date: 06/09/10 06:35:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 10 17:30:19 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:14:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger Ron, That's good news. This is the one I have with my MKII engine. I also have two Mallory twin point distributors I was thinking about using -- one with vacuum advance and other not. So, I plan to use the original distributor with a Pertronix Ignitor II setup. I have the Ignitor II in my 260 engine's distributor and the tach works fine. Thanks! P.S. I still owe you all the numbers off the components of my engine(s). Please rest assured that I won't forget! Cheers. On 6/10/10 12:36 AM, "Ron Fraser" wrote: > The MK II, 289 engine: stock distributor is C5AF-12127-M and has vacuum > advance. > > This is a later style Ford distributor; that means it does not have an oil > port and the center section has a tri-lobe shape. Any later style > distributor will work and you can still buy them from any Mustang or Ford > car catalog. > > I would use a later style Ford distributor with a Pertronix or similar > ignition module. I have used this combination for almost 20 years now with > no problems. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Would U. Believe > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:57 PM > To: michael king > Cc: Smit, Theo; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger > > > Michael, > > Stock 3appearance2, not really stock. All I want are performance > improvements with stock appearance, but nothing that would cause me to have > to make irreversible modifications. These are my requirements. What9s the > part number for the stock distributor for a MKII Tiger? Thanks. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 10 19:00:46 2010 From: David T Johnson To: achd73@yahoo.com, Gyroplanes@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now what do I do? Tom I'm the Johnson from Northern IL. Dave Johnson now in Indianapolis, IN. my cell is 630-301-4749. My Tiger was in a severe accident and totalled 6 years ago. I have repaired the sheet metal and will paint it this summer. Then its reassembly Time over the winter. The car's in Wilmington, IL near Kankankee. I just lost my job and hope to have time to finish the car. Listers. Out of work after 4 years consulting. Anyone in need of an old cantankerliss mainframe programmer? It looks like is 26 weeks of living off the dole. Dave --- On Thu, 6/10/10, Gyroplanes@aol.com wrote: From: Gyroplanes@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now what do I do? To: achd73@yahoo.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 4:26 PM Thanks Tony, There was a guy (Johnson?) up in northern, IL. with a Tiger, but I never got to meet him. I am looking forward to finishing my restoration after a long hiatus. Thanks again, Tom In a message dated 6/10/2010 10:50:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, achd73@yahoo.com writes: GREETINGS from TonytheTiger in Benton, IL. I can help with some??s but there are guys smarter than me, so I will let them respond. I just wanted to let ya know you have a Tiger friend down here in southern IL. warmly, tonythetiger _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 10 19:45:57 2010 From: "Ross" To: , , Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:18:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Technical list question Tom, You also need to clean off the autox message and headers. Or the system will only send the message to the original sender provided his email is correct. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 2:39 PM To: Gyroplanes@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Technical list question Tom You should have a Reply to All button that sends it to everyone. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gyroplanes@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:35 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Technical list question I just rejoined this list. When I receive the list e-mails, my reply button only replies to the person sending the e-mail and not the entire list. Did I set something up wrong? I have been manually typing in _tigers@autox.team.net_ (mailto:tigers@autox.team.net) To post to the entire list. Tom _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 10 22:21:43 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: Gyroplanes@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net, " Mark \(GE Indust Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now? Theo- do you for see any problems changing an 88 5.0 HO from a Mk7 LSC Lincoln to a carburetor engine? I don't but while we are talking about %.) engines, I would like your thoughts and any reccomends. I do plan on having or stroking another engine from an identical car- it was wrecked before mine was rolled- man it was a gret ride , would still be driving it, had a ton of power, factory headers. I never got on it until my son and I had a fight nd I was so mad I left. I pulled into a street and backed out and nailed it and was I ever shocked. He was silly enough to stand in the road and dare me to run over him- drunk people have ero sense as I almost didnt get stopped and I love my son as much as all our members love their own BUT I dont care or anyone drunk. LOL Thanks ahead of time Theo TonytheTiger --- On Thu, 6/10/10, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) wrote: From: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now? To: Gyroplanes@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 12:07 PM If that is really a '84 block then it will be flat tappet. The first roller cam engines were in '85, that was also the last year of a carbureted engine. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gyroplanes@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:12 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] What do I do now? I assumed the 1984 5.0 Mustang engine had the roller lifters? I'll find out when I pull the intake soon. Tom Is your block fitted with roller lifters? If not, then the B303 (or any other roller cam) will not work for you... If you don't have a roller block, then consider either changing to a newer block or else getting one of Crane's (or others) roller lifter cam kits for early blocks. You'll have less problems using low-additive oils and make more power to boot. Theo _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mark.rense@ge.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 10 22:48:11 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: Gyroplanes@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now what do I do? Tom- I have teased about that guy from up north, named Johnson and someone took me serious- he is very Tiger knowledgeable and more than willing to help- if he is close enough to drive and meet, you are wasting precious time until you do meet him. Fine person, great guy and very sharp. IF he only lived in southern IL. OHHHH I just remembered he is in Ind. now but I'm not sure where the car is, so U still might be able to meet him. Highest recommend. TonytheTiger --- On Thu, 6/10/10, Gyroplanes@aol.com wrote: From: Gyroplanes@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now what do I do? To: achd73@yahoo.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 11:26 AM Thanks Tony, There was a guy (Johnson?) up in northern, IL. with a Tiger, but I never got to meet him. I am looking forward to finishing my restoration after a long hiatus. Thanks again, Tom In a message dated 6/10/2010 10:50:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, achd73@yahoo.com writes: GREETINGS from TonytheTiger in Benton, IL. I can help with some??s but there are guys smarter than me, so I will let them respond. I just wanted to let ya know you have a Tiger friend down here in southern IL. warmly, tonythetiger _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 11 08:20:41 2010 From: Carmods@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:27:56 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tappets Hi Tom, 1984 and early 85 5.0 Mustang engine was the last to use flat tappets. John Logan _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 11 08:21:17 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: tahoedonzi@aol.com, Beamclub Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re: maybe BAD!!! DON'T OPEN the copy of the original --- On Thu, 6/10/10, Tony Somebody wrote: I sent this to Don and the lIST but never received a copy from the list, so I am removing any junk and resending. I didnt hear back from Don as wll- very concerned it contains a virus, so DO NOT open the link, as I did and I was soon unplugging the power cord and removing my battery as it would not X out. If this is a repeat I apologise - I opened it because I knew Don is a LIST member. tonythetiger T-Don- Did you send this? I am afraid I was stupid enough to try to open or run it and then I got a pink warning at the top of the page- also, supposedly from Microsoft I would need "something " to be able to run it added on- to dumb to remember what the add on was BUT then, nothing would stop it, so I unplugged the charger (battery is worn out & junk) and removed the battery so it hopefully caused me to loose everything that was running. It ignored me Xing it closed as well as the add on, then the little rectangle pops up saying it isn't responding, do I want to end now or cancel- well end now just added it to the list of open windows. I have some laptop problems and my Microsoft engineer nephew left on vacation prior to fixing what I messed up, so the only way I can connect is turn off my firewalls- not smart. Please let me know the bad news as I'm certain a bug sent the website, using your email address. TonytheTiger Sending a copy to the LIST in case others get this and it is as bad as I am afraid!!! http://kim1900.pochtamt.ru/evifubo.html _______________________________________________ T _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 11 08:55:09 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Tony Somebody , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:05:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now? You should be able to just put on your favorite intake manifold, carburetor, distributor and you're good to go. Don't forget to plug the air injection holes in the rear of the cylinder heads of each bank - hard to do once the engine is in the car. Note that if you have a roller cam engine with a Ford cam then you need to use a steel, bronze or composite distributor gear. Not cast-iron. The gears are available from Ford or from various aftermarket suppliers like MSD or Crane. Pressing the gear on should be done with some care and you need to check the fit and clearances according to the specs or you run the risk of wiping out the distributor gear and the cam. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody > Sent: June 10, 2010 9:50 PM > To: Gyroplanes@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net; Mark (GE Indust > ConsInd)Rense > Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now? > > Theo- do you for see any problems changing an 88 5.0 HO from a Mk7 LSC > Lincoln > to a carburetor engine? I don't but while we are talking about %.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 11 09:25:18 2010 From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:46:02 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Water_pump?= Who mods the edelbrock water pump so the pullys align? Or has measurements? Thanks, Ray Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: Carmods@aol.com Date: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 08:27 Subject: [Tigers] Tappets To: Hi Tom, 1984 and early 85 5.0 Mustang engine was the last to use flat tappets. John Logan _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 11 10:53:16 2010 From: Dave Munroe To: "Smit, Theo" , tigers@autox.team.net, Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:54:51 -0300 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now? Theo gives real good advice regarding the choice of the right distributor gear. The guy who built (built? more like threw it together!) my engine put a bronze gear on my stock distributor to run against a steel roller cam. It was almost completely destroyed in <5K miles. The teeth were worn to a razor's edge. Sheer luck had me replacing my stock dizzy with an MSD billet unit, when I found the wrecked bronze gear. The MSD unit came with a cast iron gear installed, and I could not remove it myself. I took it to my friendly machinist, and it took an enormous amount of pressure to shift the gear off the shaft, and to install the correct steel gear. Be aware! Dave Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now? You should be able to just put on your favorite intake manifold, carburetor, distributor and you're good to go. Don't forget to plug the air injection holes in the rear of the cylinder heads of each bank - hard to do once the engine is in the car. Note that if you have a roller cam engine with a Ford cam then you need to use a steel, bronze or composite distributor gear. Not cast-iron. The gears are available from Ford or from various aftermarket suppliers like MSD or Crane. Pressing the gear on should be done with some care and you need to check the fit and clearances according to the specs or you run the risk of wiping out the distributor gear and the cam. Theo [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Worn dist gear end2.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Worn dist gear side.jpg] _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 11 10:54:37 2010 From: "Jerry & Maureen \(Mo\)" To: "'Would U. Believe'" , Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 11:13:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger List, Those of you changing to the Pertronics modules, be sure to check out the newer Pertronics III, among other things it has a rev limiter. I've installed several on Mustangs and they seem to work very well. They are a little more expensive, but for that once in a lifetime missed shift and the engine goes to a RPM you've never heard before. It's cheep insurance Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Would U. Believe Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 6:15 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: 'Smit, Theo'; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger Ron, That's good news. This is the one I have with my MKII engine. I also have two Mallory twin point distributors I was thinking about using -- one with vacuum advance and other not. So, I plan to use the original distributor with a Pertronix Ignitor II setup. I have the Ignitor II in my 260 engine's distributor and the tach works fine. Thanks! P.S. I still owe you all the numbers off the components of my engine(s). Please rest assured that I won't forget! Cheers. On 6/10/10 12:36 AM, "Ron Fraser" wrote: > The MK II, 289 engine: stock distributor is C5AF-12127-M and has vacuum > advance. > > This is a later style Ford distributor; that means it does not have an oil > port and the center section has a tri-lobe shape. Any later style > distributor will work and you can still buy them from any Mustang or Ford > car catalog. > > I would use a later style Ford distributor with a Pertronix or similar > ignition module. I have used this combination for almost 20 years now with > no problems. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Would U. Believe > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:57 PM > To: michael king > Cc: Smit, Theo; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger > > > Michael, > > Stock 3appearance2, not really stock. All I want are performance > improvements with stock appearance, but nothing that would cause me to have > to make irreversible modifications. These are my requirements. What9s the > part number for the stock distributor for a MKII Tiger? Thanks. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006@suddenlink.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 11 11:23:53 2010 From: Gyroplanes@aol.com To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:49:24 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Technical list question Thanks for the replies on this. I was receiving private e-mails, while I appreciate them, it does defeat the purpose of the list. I'm sure there are many lurkers out there in my exact position and they would benefit from public posting of the replies. Tanks again al, Tom Milton In a message dated 6/10/2010 4:39:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rfraser@bluefrog.com writes: Tom You should have a Reply to All button that sends it to everyone. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gyroplanes@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:35 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Technical list question I just rejoined this list. When I receive the list e-mails, my reply button only replies to the person sending the e-mail and not the entire list. Did I set something up wrong? I have been manually typing in _tigers@autox.team.net_ (mailto:tigers@autox.team.net) To post to the entire list. Tom _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2927 - Release Date: 06/09/10 06:35:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 11 11:23:59 2010 From: Gyroplanes@aol.com To: djoh797014@yahoo.com, achd73@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:52:55 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now what do I do? Hi Dave, Good to hear from you again. Very sorry about the car and job. Let me know when you are in Wilmington, I'd love to drive down and meet you (maybe even lend a hand on a two man job) Good luck, Tom In a message dated 6/10/2010 7:25:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, djoh797014@yahoo.com writes: Tom I'm the Johnson from Northern IL. Dave Johnson now in Indianapolis, IN. my cell is 630-301-4749. My Tiger was in a severe accident and totalled 6 years ago. I have repaired the sheet metal and will paint it this summer. Then its reassembly Time over the winter. The car's in Wilmington, IL near Kankankee. I just lost my job and hope to have time to finish the car. Listers. Out of work after 4 years consulting. Anyone in need of an old cantankerliss mainframe programmer? It looks like is 26 weeks of living off the dole. Dave --- On Thu, 6/10/10, Gyroplanes@aol.com wrote: From: Gyroplanes@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now what do I do? To: achd73@yahoo.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 4:26 PM Thanks Tony, There was a guy (Johnson?) up in northern, IL. with a Tiger, but I never got to meet him. I am looking forward to finishing my restoration after a long hiatus. Thanks again, Tom In a message dated 6/10/2010 10:50:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, _achd73@yahoo.com_ (http://us.mc1116.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=achd73@yahoo.com) writes: GREETINGS from TonytheTiger in Benton, IL. I can help with some??s but there are guys smarter than me, so I will let them respond. I just wanted to let ya know you have a Tiger friend down here in southern IL. warmly, tonythetiger _______________________________________________ _Tigers@autox.team.net_ (http://us.mc1116.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Tigers@autox.team.net) Donate: _http://www.team.net/donate.html_ (http://www.team.net/donate.html) Archive: _http://www.team.net/archive_ (http://www.team.net/archive) Forums: _http://www.team.net/forums_ (http://www.team.net/forums) Unsubscribe/Manage: _http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014@yahoo.com_ (http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014@yahoo.com) _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 11 11:52:38 2010 From: brockctella@juno.com To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:59:31 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Engine mounts I replaced my current mounts in 1990 and visually they look like new. Recently my ""rightside" after market headers(CAT) I think,are resting an 1/8" off the engine mount. When I downshift they rattle against the mount. I have adjusted the mounts as far as I can for clearance to no avail. Question, could the mounts have compressed? ____________________________________________________________ PMP Certification Prep 100% Online PMP Exam Prep course from Villanova University. Learn More. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c126bd52f4153a89f0st01vuc _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 11 12:26:01 2010 From: Sandy Ganz To: "spook01@comcast.net" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water pump You can do it yourself with a small shop press and a socket that pushes down on the flange and lets the shaft go up as you press it. I had a picture but can't seem to find it. I recall making sure I had a block of wood under the impeller to make sure it just did not push down (take backing plate off). I also ended up pushing it a bit too far down, and don't worry you CAN move it back up with some careful work. All you need to do is get 4 bolts in the flange and slowly go around and tighten them up. The bolts bottom end up being right on the casting face and will allow the flange to put move back up. It was pretty easy, and I have the edelbrock pump too. I don't have any measures as I push it as far back as I could where it did not have any rubbing but have not tried with any pulley's as yet. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "spook01@comcast.net" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, June 11, 2010 7:46:02 AM Subject: [Tigers] Water pump Who mods the edelbrock water pump so the pullys align? Or has measurements? Thanks, Ray Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: Carmods@aol.com Date: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 08:27 Subject: [Tigers] Tappets To: Hi Tom, 1984 and early 85 5.0 Mustang engine was the last to use flat tappets. John Logan _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 11 12:26:35 2010 From: Sandy Ganz To: Dave Munroe , "Smit, Theo" Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now? I think you need to check the install height of the gear from what I have seen on some other ford boards as some of the MSD's have the gear on where it may not be at the right install height, the last 2 Ford MSD distributors I purchased had a warning to verify install clearances or expect and early gear demise. I have a composite gear and will see how that work on the motor going in the mustang with a solid roller. Looked iffy but had many people say they are better then the bronze (never had a problem, but only used on a track car). Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Dave Munroe To: "Smit, Theo" ; tigers@autox.team.net; Gyroplanes@aol.com Sent: Fri, June 11, 2010 8:54:51 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now? Theo gives real good advice regarding the choice of the right distributor gear. The guy who built (built? more like threw it together!) my engine put a bronze gear on my stock distributor to run against a steel roller cam. It was almost completely destroyed in <5K miles. The teeth were worn to a razor's edge. Sheer luck had me replacing my stock dizzy with an MSD billet unit, when I found the wrecked bronze gear. The MSD unit came with a cast iron gear installed, and I could not remove it myself. I took it to my friendly machinist, and it took an enormous amount of pressure to shift the gear off the shaft, and to install the correct steel gear. Be aware! Dave Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now? You should be able to just put on your favorite intake manifold, carburetor, distributor and you're good to go. Don't forget to plug the air injection holes in the rear of the cylinder heads of each bank - hard to do once the engine is in the car. Note that if you have a roller cam engine with a Ford cam then you need to use a steel, bronze or composite distributor gear. Not cast-iron. The gears are available from Ford or from various aftermarket suppliers like MSD or Crane. Pressing the gear on should be done with some care and you need to check the fit and clearances according to the specs or you run the risk of wiping out the distributor gear and the cam. Theo [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Worn dist gear end2.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Worn dist gear side.jpg] _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 11 12:28:00 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Sandy Ganz , Dave Munroe , Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:48:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now? The MSD gears come with detailed installation instructions. The installed height is something they want you to get correct to within 0.004 inch or so. I also got one of the Crane composite gears but haven't installed it... as Sandy said, supposedly these are better than bronze gears. The benefit (?) of a bronze or composite gear is that if there is a problem, then you know that the cam will win and the worst thing that happens is you have to flush a bunch of bronze flakes out of the bottom of the pan. If there is a problem with the steel gear, then nobody wins. But at least the dross that comes off that failure is magnetic so it will be captured by your magnetic drain plug... Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: Sandy Ganz [mailto:sganz@pacbell.net] > Sent: June 11, 2010 11:38 AM > To: Dave Munroe; Smit, Theo; tigers@autox.team.net; Gyroplanes@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now? > > I think you need to check the install height of the gear from what I > have seen on some other ford boards as some of the MSD's have the gear > on where it may not be at the right install height, the last 2 Ford MSD > distributors I purchased had a warning to verify install clearances or > expect and early gear demise. > > I have a composite gear and will see how that work on the motor going > in the mustang with a solid roller. Looked iffy but had many people say > they are better then the bronze (never had a problem, but only used on > a track car). > > Sandy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 11 13:53:22 2010 From: "Buck Trippel" To: "Sandy Ganz" , Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:15:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now? Sandy, Have you run across the issue of "wimpy" roll pins? bt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" To: "Dave Munroe" ; "Smit, Theo" ; ; Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now? >I think you need to check the install height of the gear from what I have >seen on some other ford boards as some of the MSD's have the gear on where >it may not be at the right install height, the last 2 Ford MSD distributors >I purchased had a warning to verify install clearances or expect and early >gear demise. > > I have a composite gear and will see how that work on the motor going in > the mustang with a solid roller. Looked iffy but had many people say they > are better then the bronze (never had a problem, but only used on a track > car). > > Sandy _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 11 14:31:32 2010 From: Dave Munroe To: Sandy Ganz , spook01@comcast.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:30:14 -0300 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water pump I moved my Stewart water pump flange as well. I used a short steel rod that just fit into the center hole of the impeller, bottomed the rod in my small garage press, slipped a large washer over the shaft up against the flange, used a socket that just fit over the shaft, and pressed. It took a fair amount of pressure to start it moving, then it let go and the pressure was manageable after that. I took the measurement from my stock pump that had been on the car for seemingly "ever". From the mounting surface of the pump to the face of the flange measured 4 15/16ths inch. This is the Stewart stock replacement water pump WITHOUT a backing plate, part #16103. Best of luck with yours. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" To: ; Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water pump > You can do it yourself with a small shop press and a socket that pushes > down on the flange and lets the shaft go up as you press it. I had a > picture but can't seem to find it. I recall making sure I had a block of > wood under the impeller to make sure it just did not push down (take > backing plate off). > > I also ended up pushing it a bit too far down, and don't worry you CAN > move it back up with some careful work. All you need to do is get 4 bolts > in the flange and slowly go around and tighten them up. The bolts bottom > end up being right on the casting face and will allow the flange to put > move back up. > > It was pretty easy, and I have the edelbrock pump too. > > I don't have any measures as I push it as far back as I could where it did > not have any rubbing but have not tried with any pulley's as yet. > > Sandy > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "spook01@comcast.net" > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Fri, June 11, 2010 7:46:02 AM > Subject: [Tigers] Water pump > > Who mods the edelbrock water pump so the pullys align? > Or has measurements? > Thanks, > Ray > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: Carmods@aol.com > Date: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 08:27 > Subject: [Tigers] Tappets > To: > > Hi Tom, > > > 1984 and early 85 5.0 Mustang engine was the last to use flat tappets. > > John Logan > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 11 14:31:56 2010 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:35:45 EDT Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug Hello, Thanks to whoever mentioned the magnetic drain plug ! Where can I get one? Is any plug stronger/better than others? Its the sort of thing I think of in the winter when the car is in "away" storage. Thanks in advance. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 11 14:56:42 2010 From: "Jerry & Maureen \(Mo\)" To: "'Dave Munroe'" , "'Smit, Theo'" Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:56:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now? Ya, you pretty much need a puller and a press to change out those gears. Like every one is saying, steel on steel and cast on cast, not withstanding the new very expensive composite gear, I would imagine it could be used on either, but don't know. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Munroe Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:55 AM To: Smit, Theo; tigers@autox.team.net; Gyroplanes@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now? Theo gives real good advice regarding the choice of the right distributor gear. The guy who built (built? more like threw it together!) my engine put a bronze gear on my stock distributor to run against a steel roller cam. It was almost completely destroyed in <5K miles. The teeth were worn to a razor's edge. Sheer luck had me replacing my stock dizzy with an MSD billet unit, when I found the wrecked bronze gear. The MSD unit came with a cast iron gear installed, and I could not remove it myself. I took it to my friendly machinist, and it took an enormous amount of pressure to shift the gear off the shaft, and to install the correct steel gear. Be aware! Dave Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now? You should be able to just put on your favorite intake manifold, carburetor, distributor and you're good to go. Don't forget to plug the air injection holes in the rear of the cylinder heads of each bank - hard to do once the engine is in the car. Note that if you have a roller cam engine with a Ford cam then you need to use a steel, bronze or composite distributor gear. Not cast-iron. The gears are available from Ford or from various aftermarket suppliers like MSD or Crane. Pressing the gear on should be done with some care and you need to check the fit and clearances according to the specs or you run the risk of wiping out the distributor gear and the cam. Theo [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Worn dist gear end2.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Worn dist gear side.jpg] _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006@suddenlink.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 11 15:33:13 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Rollright@aol.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:44:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug Guilty as charged... The plug I have came with the Canton oil pan. You can easily make one by drilling into your existing drain plug (from the inside) and putting in a 1/4"diameter x 1/8" rare earth magnet. You won't have to worry about losing the magnet in the oil pan... Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com > Sent: June 11, 2010 1:36 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug > > Hello, > > Thanks to whoever mentioned the magnetic drain plug ! > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 11 17:28:17 2010 From: Sandy Ganz To: Buck Trippel , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now? No, have not ever had a problem with the roll pins, but they may all have been replaced after the gears get change since I get the bronze or plastic added later to the stock-o units. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Buck Trippel To: Sandy Ganz ; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, June 11, 2010 12:15:39 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now? Sandy, Have you run across the issue of "wimpy" roll pins? bt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" To: "Dave Munroe" ; "Smit, Theo" ; ; Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now? > I think you need to check the install height of the gear from what I have seen on some other ford boards as some of the MSD's have the gear on where it may not be at the right install height, the last 2 Ford MSD distributors I purchased had a warning to verify install clearances or expect and early gear demise. > > I have a composite gear and will see how that work on the motor going in the mustang with a solid roller. Looked iffy but had many people say they are better then the bronze (never had a problem, but only used on a track car). > > Sandy _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 11 19:30:49 2010 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:54:19 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Distributors and firing order Group, While on the subject of distributors, this may be the right time for a short recap of small block Ford firing orders. The 221, 289, 302, pre-HO 5.0 and all truck 5.0's used 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 while the Mustang HO5.0's used the 351 firing order of 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8. The 302 and 5.0 blocks are the same, just a marketing name change. Ford used roller lifters in its truck and SUV 5.0's even though they were not designated "HO" and used the 1-5-4 firing order. Full size Fords, Lincolns and Mercurys using 5.0's would have also used the 1-5-4 order unless the engines were designated as HO5.0's. The Ford letter cams (B303, E303, etc.) and most current aftermarket performance cams are designed for the 1-3-7 firing order. It is no problem to change the firing order of your carbed engine. Just be sure you know what firing order the cam is designed for and run your spark plug wires accordingly. Fuel injected engines would probably require more changes. Roller lifters are so superior and there are so many roller lifter 302/5.0 engine cores out there that using a flat tappet engine now seems to be more a matter of personal choice than a matter of cost. Incidentally, most junk yards think Mustang engines, being HO5.0's, are worth more than the 5.0's in pick-ups, Broncos and Explorers. If you are planning a rebuild anyway, especially if you will be using an aftermarket cam, you may be able to save some money by buying a non-Mustang roller lifter engine. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 11 21:26:56 2010 From: David T Johnson To: "'Would U. Believe'" , Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger The late Steve Yates of IN SAAC was up at Road American in his one of a kind Shelby 350S. He kept blowing head gaskets. Lots of steam no damage. He finally borrowed a camera nad put in the back seat. It revealed the problem. When running at full power coming into the hair pin that runs uphill, he would downshift to 2nd and floor it through the turn. The camera clearly showed the tach was over 10K. Not many Ford V8s will run 10K. Its not a VTEC Honda. When asked how he could be driving such a rare car Steve's response 'Ask Shelby. His cars are meant to be driven'. That was Steve all over. Keep you RPMs in mid when downshifting. Steve was a great Tiger supporter and his wife had an early black dasj Tiger that I worked on. She traded the Tiger for an original Shelby 289 Cobra and has kept Steve's 350S. --- On Fri, 6/11/10, Jerry & Maureen (Mo) wrote: From: Jerry & Maureen (Mo) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger To: "'Would U. Believe'" , rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: "'Smit, Theo'" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Friday, June 11, 2010, 4:13 PM List, Those of you changing to the Pertronics modules, be sure to check out the newer Pertronics III, among other things it has a rev limiter. I've installed several on Mustangs and they seem to work very well. They are a little more expensive, but for that once in a lifetime missed shift and the engine goes to a RPM you've never heard before. It's cheep insurance Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Would U. Believe Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 6:15 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: 'Smit, Theo'; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger Ron, That's good news. This is the one I have with my MKII engine. I also have two Mallory twin point distributors I was thinking about using -- one with vacuum advance and other not. So, I plan to use the original distributor with a Pertronix Ignitor II setup. I have the Ignitor II in my 260 engine's distributor and the tach works fine. Thanks! P.S. I still owe you all the numbers off the components of my engine(s). Please rest assured that I won't forget! Cheers. On 6/10/10 12:36 AM, "Ron Fraser" wrote: > The MK II, 289 engine: stock distributor is C5AF-12127-M and has vacuum > advance. > > This is a later style Ford distributor; that means it does not have an oil > port and the center section has a tri-lobe shape. Any later style > distributor will work and you can still buy them from any Mustang or Ford > car catalog. > > I would use a later style Ford distributor with a Pertronix or similar > ignition module. I have used this combination for almost 20 years now with > no problems. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Would U. Believe > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:57 PM > To: michael king > Cc: Smit, Theo; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger > > > Michael, > > Stock 3appearance2, not really stock. All I want are performance > improvements with stock appearance, but nothing that would cause me to have > to make irreversible modifications. These are my requirements. What9s the > part number for the stock distributor for a MKII Tiger? Thanks. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006@suddenlink.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 12 01:10:54 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: "A. C. Tynes" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 23:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributors and firing order THANKS- Great post. I have a couple 5.0HO engines from MK7 LSC Lincolns, now I will keep an eye on the trucks as well. TtT ________________________________ From: A. C. Tynes To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, June 11, 2010 7:54:19 PM Subject: [Tigers] Distributors and firing order Group, While on the subject of distributors, this may be the right time for a short recap of small block Ford firing orders. The 221, 289, 302, pre-HO 5.0 and all truck 5.0's used 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 while the Mustang HO5.0's used the 351 firing order of 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8. The 302 and 5.0 blocks are the same, just a marketing name change. Ford used roller lifters in its truck and SUV 5.0's even though they were not designated "HO" and used the 1-5-4 firing order. Full size Fords, Lincolns and Mercurys using 5.0's would have also used the 1-5-4 order unless the engines were designated as HO5.0's. The Ford letter cams (B303, E303, etc.) and most current aftermarket performance cams are designed for the 1-3-7 firing order. It is no problem to change the firing order of your carbed engine. Just be sure you know what firing order the cam is designed for and run your spark plug wires accordingly. Fuel injected engines would probably require more changes. Roller lifters are so superior and there are so many roller lifter 302/5.0 engine cores out there that using a flat tappet engine now seems to be more a matter of personal choice than a matter of cost. Incidentally, most junk yards think Mustang engines, being HO5.0's, are worth more than the 5.0's in pick-ups, Broncos and Explorers. If you are planning a rebuild anyway, especially if you will be using an aftermarket cam, you may be able to save some money by buying a non-Mustang roller lifter engine. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 12 07:24:43 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 05:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Begging for post replys I need some help in proving or disproving a question. Do you think there are many used pristine Tiger parts available within our or any group? If a Tiger engine set outside, uncovered, would one think the oil breather might rust part of the Ford logo off the original piece, so that when lightly sanded to remove rust, that the missing part of the logo was most likely eaten by rust or by me, doing my best to NOT remove the logo? Also, do you think there are many pristine breather caps available to buy? Or just original ones that are not pristine. Lastly, do you think there are many Tiger specific partsavailable peorid. I would appreciated a posted reply from all members. thanks in advance. TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 12 08:00:56 2010 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net, rollright@aol.com Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:18:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug Jim: You can easily magnetise your drain plug. The next time there is a thunderstorm in your area, climb to a high place. Hold the drain plug in your hand over your head. Wait patiently. The answer to your problem will come in a flash. Or you could try Theo's solution. Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 12 09:19:06 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: Tony Somebody , Beamclub Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 10:31:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Begging for post replies My reply is based on my own experiences. There are really aggressive ways to remove rust, and there are less aggressive, yet very effective, ways to remove rust. Obviously, if a part is very rusty, there is little hope that small details like the logo on Ford oil breather caps will survive. To a finicky person like me, these corroded and repainted parts may be usable but possibly only as spares or as temporary patches. If I had to, I would use "electrolytic methods" or even a wire brush on delicate, soft metal parts, but almost never sandpaper discs or a grinder, unless the part is garbage and a temporary fix. As to whether there are NOS, pristine, or used Tiger oil caps available out there, the answer is yes. For instance, there is a guy out there who seems to have an endless supply and often sells very nice or NOS ones on eBay for about $50 or less (orr4sale?). As to whether there are Tiger-specific parts generally available, the answer is absolutely yes, of course. Not only are there used parts, but there are actually NOS, pristine, remanufactured parts out there all day long. Guys in the business, like Bill Martin, Doug Jennings, Dale A., etc., often have hard to find parts available, thankfully. There are also many private owners who often sell or trade super cool parts for Tigers. I've purchased many near-perfect rare LAT parts from private sellers. Of course, there are also new reproduction parts that are being sold by Classic Sunbeam and Sunbeam Specialties too. I hope that helps. On 6/12/10 8:32 AM, "Tony Somebody" wrote: > I need some help in proving or disproving a question. Do you think there are > many used pristine Tiger parts available within our or any group? If a Tiger > engine set outside, uncovered, would one think the oil breather might rust > part of the Ford logo off the original piece, so that when lightly sanded to > remove rust, that the missing part of the logo was most likely eaten by rust > or by me, doing my best to NOT remove the logo? Also, do you think there are > many pristine breather caps available to buy? Or just original ones that are > not pristine. Lastly, do you think there are many Tiger specific > partsavailable peorid. I would appreciated a posted reply from all members. > thanks in advance. > TonytheTiger > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 12 09:20:45 2010 From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" To: "=?utf-8?B?VG9kIEJyb3du?=" Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 10:37:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?magnetic_drain_plug?= Or fly a kite in a thunderstorm with the drain plug depending beneath. This is the traditional method! Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Tod Brown" Date: Sat, Jun 12, 2010 09:18 Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug To: , Jim: You can easily magnetise your drain plug. The next time there is a thunderstorm in your area, climb to a high place. Hold the drain plug in your hand over your head. Wait patiently. The answer to your problem will come in a flash. Or you could try Theo's solution. Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 12 10:33:19 2010 From: cjcoffel@sonic.net To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] New master cylinder brake stuck Just put a new master brake cyinder in my teiger and it wont build pressure. Feels like it's stuck at the bottom. Is there an easy way to unstick it? Chris _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 12 10:34:18 2010 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:35:29 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug _http://www.amazon.com/Wiha-40010-Magnetizer-or-Demagnetizer/dp/B00018AONE_ (http://www.amazon.com/Wiha-40010-Magnetizer-or-Demagnetizer/dp/B00018AONE) This would be a little safer. In a message dated 6/12/2010 8:21:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, spook01@comcast.net writes: Or fly a kite in a thunderstorm with the drain plug depending beneath. This is the traditional method! Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Tod Brown" Date: Sat, Jun 12, 2010 09:18 Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug To: , Jim: You can easily magnetise your drain plug. The next time there is a thunderstorm in your area, climb to a high place. Hold the drain plug in your hand over your head. Wait patiently. The answer to your problem will come in a flash. Or you could try Theo's solution. Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 12 11:38:48 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:03:23 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] New master cylinder brake stuck Chris There should be a spring in the bottom of the bore pushing the piston back. You might be able to lightly tap on the Master to get it to move back. You might need to use some light air pressure to move the piston back; you will have to remove the brake line for this. You might want to contact where you bought the master to see if they now of this problem; if so return it for a good one. No matter what this is a poor condition and I would take the master back out and examine it. I did have a poor return spring in my Master some years ago. I found a new spring and rebuilt the master. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of cjcoffel@sonic.net Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 11:26 AM To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Cc: rollright@aol.com; tigers@Autox.Team.Net; Tod Brown Subject: [Tigers] New master cylinder brake stuck Just put a new master brake cyinder in my teiger and it wont build pressure. Feels like it's stuck at the bottom. Is there an easy way to unstick it? Chris _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2931 - Release Date: 06/11/10 06:35:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 12 15:56:31 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: , Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:02:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] New master cylinder brake stuck Hi all. I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about the alternator/belt adjustment bracket of the MKII Tiger. I have the original MKII alternator bracket, but my flat adjustment bracket/bar that seems to be the wrong one. I think it's a bit short and angled wrong because it seems to interfere with the alternator fan. Does anyone know which part would interchange (Ford Falcon/Mustang/Galaxie, etc. Anyone? Thanks in advance for the information. On 6/12/10 1:03 PM, "Ron Fraser" wrote: > Chris > There should be a spring in the bottom of the bore pushing the > piston back. > You might be able to lightly tap on the Master to get it to move back. > You might need to use some light air pressure to move the piston back; you > will have to remove the brake line for this. > > You might want to contact where you bought the master to see if they now of > this problem; if so return it for a good one. > > No matter what this is a poor condition and I would take the master back out > and examine it. I did have a poor return spring in my Master some years > ago. I found a new spring and rebuilt the master. > > Ron Fraser > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of cjcoffel@sonic.net > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 11:26 AM > To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net > Cc: rollright@aol.com; tigers@Autox.Team.Net; Tod Brown > Subject: [Tigers] New master cylinder brake stuck > > > Just put a new master brake cyinder in my teiger and it wont build pressure. > Feels like it's stuck at the bottom. Is there an easy way to unstick it? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2931 - Release Date: 06/11/10 > 06:35:00 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 12 16:57:15 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:20:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] MKII Alternator Adjustment Arm Hi all. I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about the alternator/belt adjustment bracket of the MKII Tiger. I have the original MKII alternator bracket, but my flat adjustment bracket/bar that seems to be the wrong one. I think it's a bit short and angled wrong because it seems to interfere with the alternator fan. Does anyone know which part would interchange (Ford Falcon/Mustang/Galaxie, etc. Anyone? Thanks in advance for the information. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 12 17:25:35 2010 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: mcdangerous@verizon.net, rfraser@bluefrog.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:34:59 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] New master cylinder brake stuck I'm sure others will tell you, but I thought that it was a "Tiger Only" part. And since the earlier Tigers had a generator and you have an alternator, that could make it a "tiger, MKII" only part. I've looked at a bunch of other 60's70's Ford applications and the engine bays were always much wider engine and the alternator was mounted down low. That didn't seem possible in a Tiger. So, nothing I ever saw would work. If someone knows of an application that would work, I'd love to know it. Mark In a message dated 6/12/2010 5:56:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mcdangerous@verizon.net writes: Hi all. I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about the alternator/belt adjustment bracket of the MKII Tiger. I have the original MKII alternator bracket, but my flat adjustment bracket/bar that seems to be the wrong one. I think it's a bit short and angled wrong because it seems to interfere with the alternator fan. Does anyone know which part would interchange (Ford Falcon/Mustang/Galaxie, etc. Anyone? Thanks in advance for the information. On 6/12/10 1:03 PM, "Ron Fraser" wrote: > Chris > There should be a spring in the bottom of the bore pushing the > piston back. > You might be able to lightly tap on the Master to get it to move back. > You might need to use some light air pressure to move the piston back; you > will have to remove the brake line for this. > > You might want to contact where you bought the master to see if they now of > this problem; if so return it for a good one. > > No matter what this is a poor condition and I would take the master back out > and examine it. I did have a poor return spring in my Master some years > ago. I found a new spring and rebuilt the master. > > Ron Fraser > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of cjcoffel@sonic.net > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 11:26 AM > To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net > Cc: rollright@aol.com; tigers@Autox.Team.Net; Tod Brown > Subject: [Tigers] New master cylinder brake stuck > > > Just put a new master brake cyinder in my teiger and it wont build pressure. > Feels like it's stuck at the bottom. Is there an easy way to unstick it? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2931 - Release Date: 06/11/10 > 06:35:00 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 12 17:25:53 2010 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: mcdangerous@verizon.net, rfraser@bluefrog.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:36:12 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] New master cylinder brake stuck There are a few brackets made by the usual Tiger suppliers, but they don't come cheap. M In a message dated 6/12/2010 5:56:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mcdangerous@verizon.net writes: Hi all. I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about the alternator/belt adjustment bracket of the MKII Tiger. I have the original MKII alternator bracket, but my flat adjustment bracket/bar that seems to be the wrong one. I think it's a bit short and angled wrong because it seems to interfere with the alternator fan. Does anyone know which part would interchange (Ford Falcon/Mustang/Galaxie, etc. Anyone? Thanks in advance for the information. On 6/12/10 1:03 PM, "Ron Fraser" wrote: > Chris > There should be a spring in the bottom of the bore pushing the > piston back. > You might be able to lightly tap on the Master to get it to move back. > You might need to use some light air pressure to move the piston back; you > will have to remove the brake line for this. > > You might want to contact where you bought the master to see if they now of > this problem; if so return it for a good one. > > No matter what this is a poor condition and I would take the master back out > and examine it. I did have a poor return spring in my Master some years > ago. I found a new spring and rebuilt the master. > > Ron Fraser > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of cjcoffel@sonic.net > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 11:26 AM > To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net > Cc: rollright@aol.com; tigers@Autox.Team.Net; Tod Brown > Subject: [Tigers] New master cylinder brake stuck > > > Just put a new master brake cyinder in my teiger and it wont build pressure. > Feels like it's stuck at the bottom. Is there an easy way to unstick it? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2931 - Release Date: 06/11/10 > 06:35:00 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 12 17:28:23 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: , , Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:42:24 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Alternator Adjustment Arm / Fan Belt Thanks. I actually have the bracket that the alternator mounts to. This is a Tiger 2 only part. What I think I don9t have is the right arm that bolts between the water pump and the bottom of the alternator. This is the one that lets you tighten the fan belt. I wonder if my problem is that my fan belt is too long. Anyone know the correct or usable length of the fan belt? Thanks. On 6/12/10 6:34 PM, "CoolVT@aol.com" wrote: > I'm sure others will tell you, but I thought that it was a "Tiger Only" part. > And since the earlier Tigers had a generator and you have an alternator, that > could make it a "tiger, MKII" only part. > > I've looked at a bunch of other 60's70's Ford applications and the engine bays > were always much wider engine and the alternator was mounted down low. That > didn't seem possible in a Tiger. So, nothing I ever saw would work. If someone > knows of an application that would work, I'd love to know it. > Mark > > In a message dated 6/12/2010 5:56:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > mcdangerous@verizon.net writes: >> Hi all. I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about the alternator/belt >> adjustment bracket of the MKII Tiger. I have the original MKII alternator >> bracket, but my flat adjustment bracket/bar that seems to be the wrong one. >> I think it's a bit short and angled wrong because it seems to interfere with >> the alternator fan. Does anyone know which part would interchange (Ford >> Falcon/Mustang/Galaxie, etc. Anyone? Thanks in advance for the >> information. >> >> >> On 6/12/10 1:03 PM, "Ron Fraser" wrote: >> >>> > Chris >>> > There should be a spring in the bottom of the bore pushing the >>> > piston back. >>> > You might be able to lightly tap on the Master to get it to move back. >>> > You might need to use some light air pressure to move the piston back; >>> you >>> > will have to remove the brake line for this. >>> > >>> > You might want to contact where you bought the master to see if they now >>> of >>> > this problem; if so return it for a good one. >>> > >>> > No matter what this is a poor condition and I would take the master back >>> out >>> > and examine it. I did have a poor return spring in my Master some years >>> > ago. I found a new spring and rebuilt the master. >>> > >>> > Ron Fraser >>> > >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >>> [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] >>> > On Behalf Of cjcoffel@sonic.net >>> > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 11:26 AM >>> > To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net >>> > Cc: rollright@aol.com; tigers@Autox.Team.Net; Tod Brown >>> > Subject: [Tigers] New master cylinder brake stuck >>> > >>> > >>> > Just put a new master brake cyinder in my teiger and it wont build >>> pressure. >>> > Feels like it's stuck at the bottom. Is there an easy way to unstick it? >>> > >>> > Chris >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Tigers@autox.team.net >>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com >>> > >>> > No virus found in this incoming message. >>> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> > Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2931 - Release Date: 06/11/10 >>> > 06:35:00 >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Tigers@autox.team.net >>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous@verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 13 07:06:00 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Would U. Believe'" , , Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 08:21:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alternator Adjustment Arm / Fan Belt The Rootes Parts manual shows the same part number for the generator arm and the alternator arm. 6100022 Arm Adjusting LHD C4JZ-10145-A Tiger only part looking at that Ford part number 6100022 Arm Adjusting Alternator That surprises me but I don't have both these arms to compare. 6100024 Fan belt Generator LHD C2OZ-8620-E 6100853 Fan Belt Alternator The alternator belt is different and I don't know the length of either belt. I would suggest that you hook up the arm to the alternator, adjust to the lowest position and measure the length around all the pulleys then buy a belt close to that length. If you can adjust the alternator for tension on the belt your done. I went through several iteration of belts when I did my alternator conversion until I got a belt that worked correctly for me. The guy at the parts store was patient with me. I told him what I was doing and he exchanged the belts and cash differences with a smile. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Would U. Believe [mailto:mcdangerous@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 6:42 PM To: CoolVT@aol.com; rfraser@bluefrog.com; tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Alternator Adjustment Arm / Fan Belt Thanks. I actually have the bracket that the alternator mounts to. This is a Tiger 2 only part. What I think I don't have is the right arm that bolts between the water pump and the bottom of the alternator. This is the one that lets you tighten the fan belt. I wonder if my problem is that my fan belt is too long. Anyone know the correct or usable length of the fan belt? Thanks. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 13 07:47:53 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: , , Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 08:40:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alternator Adjustment Arm / Fan Belt Thanks Ron. Much appreciated. I think the trial and error method will be the only way to get the belt length right. I have the belt that came with my engine, but without the right adjustment arm, I can9t tell if it is right. I have an adjustment arm off an old Ford (Fairlane or Falcon) but beyond having the wrong angle, making it interfere with the alternator fan, I think it might also be too short. So I can tighten the belt only to the point where it won9t fall off the pulleys (nowhere near tight enough). I9ve located a Tiger adjustment arm, so when that arrives, I9ll check on the belt length and let you know what I find works. I9m amazed how many Tiger parts are out there, considering how few of these cars were built and how few people even know what the car is when they see it. Thanks again. On 6/13/10 8:21 AM, "Ron Fraser" wrote: > The Rootes Parts manual shows the same part number for the generator arm and > the alternator arm. > > 6100022 Arm Adjusting LHD C4JZ-10145-A Tiger only part looking at > that Ford part number > 6100022 Arm Adjusting Alternator > That surprises me but I don't have both these arms to compare. > > 6100024 Fan belt Generator LHD C2OZ-8620-E > > 6100853 Fan Belt Alternator > > The alternator belt is different and I don't know the length of either belt. > > I would suggest that you hook up the arm to the alternator, adjust to the > lowest position and measure the length around all the pulleys then buy a belt > close to that length. If you can adjust the alternator for tension on the > belt your done. > > I went through several iteration of belts when I did my alternator conversion > until I got a belt that worked correctly for me. The guy at the parts store > was patient with me. I told him what I was doing and he exchanged the belts > and cash differences with a smile. > > Ron Fraser > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Would U. Believe [mailto:mcdangerous@verizon.net] >> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 6:42 PM >> To: CoolVT@aol.com; rfraser@bluefrog.com; tigers@Autox.Team.Net >> Subject: Alternator Adjustment Arm / Fan Belt >> >> Thanks. I actually have the bracket that the alternator mounts to. This is >> a Tiger 2 only part. What I think I don9t have is the right arm that bolts >> between the water pump and the bottom of the alternator. This is the one >> that lets you tighten the fan belt. I wonder if my problem is that my fan >> belt is too long. Anyone know the correct or usable length of the fan belt? >> Thanks. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 13 11:20:04 2010 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:00:24 EDT Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug /US Magnet source Hello, As usual, Theo has been very helpful, but his country of residence makes purchasing from the sources he provided a bit of a hurdle. All hail the Maple Leaf and the beaver. BTW: I've found a US source for all kinds of magnets (neodymium, samarium-cobalt, alnico, and ceramic) in all shapes and sizes. Nice site, nice source: _http://www.magnetsource.com_ (http://www.magnetsource.com/) Further, the kindness shown by "spook" and Maine resident Mr. Tod Brown is truly humbling. I can only hope to help Mr. Brown in a similar fashion, very very soon. Yours for the sport, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 13 13:44:54 2010 From: Sandy Ganz To: Rollright@aol.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 11:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug /US Magnet source Just incase you don't want to make your own (I'm about doing my own thing too), you can get them at Summit/Jeg and some auto parts stores have them for about 5 bucks. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "Rollright@aol.com" To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Sent: Sun, June 13, 2010 9:00:24 AM Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug /US Magnet source Hello, As usual, Theo has been very helpful, but his country of residence makes purchasing from the sources he provided a bit of a hurdle. All hail the Maple Leaf and the beaver. BTW: I've found a US source for all kinds of magnets (neodymium, samarium-cobalt, alnico, and ceramic) in all shapes and sizes. Nice site, nice source: _http://www.magnetsource.com_ (http://www.magnetsource.com/) Further, the kindness shown by "spook" and Maine resident Mr. Tod Brown is truly humbling. I can only hope to help Mr. Brown in a similar fashion, very very soon. Yours for the sport, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 13 13:47:43 2010 From: Marc James Small To: Rollright@aol.com,tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 14:35:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug /US Magnet source At 12:00 PM 6/13/2010, Rollright@aol.com wrote: >Hello, > >As usual, Theo has been very helpful, but his country of residence makes >purchasing from the sources he provided a bit of a hurdle. All hail the Maple > Leaf and the beaver. > >BTW: I've found a US source for all kinds of magnets (neodymium, >samarium-cobalt, alnico, and ceramic) in all shapes and sizes. Nice >site, nice >source: _http://www.magnetsource.com_ (http://www.magnetsource.com/) > >Further, the kindness shown by "spook" and Maine resident Mr. Tod Brown is >truly humbling. >I can only hope to help Mr. Brown in a similar fashion, very very soon. It would strike me that Edmund Scientific or its Canadian equivalent would be the first place to check. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 13 13:48:03 2010 From: Dave Munroe To: Rollright@aol.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:46:14 -0300 Subject: Re: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug /US Magnet source Jim; Two things: First, beware of the super strong magnets - they are almost impossible to clear of the small particles that stick to them. But maybe that's a good thing? Not likely! The rare earth magnets are the strongest you will ever need. Second - Lee Valley is in the U.S. (even tho' its a Canadian Beaver\Maple Leaf Company! http://www.leevalley.com/en/Home/OnlineCatalog.aspx?id=4605c229 Super service, quality products and some of the most innovative tools you will find anywhere. No interest other than to inform all fine Tiger owners of a tremendous resource for cool tools. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:00 PM Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug /US Magnet source > Hello, > > As usual, Theo has been very helpful, but his country of residence makes > purchasing from the sources he provided a bit of a hurdle. All hail the > Maple > Leaf and the beaver. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 13 18:38:13 2010 From: Tom Parker To: "Would U. Believe" Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:27:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] MKII Alternator Adjustment Arm I ran into that one too. The arm has a slight offset in it. it mounts to the longer water pump bolt (not the one behind the pulley), and fastens to the back of the alternator, not the front as one would assume. I got full travel of the alternator on the bracket. One thing I did notice was Rick's belt seemed a tad long. The alternator darn near hits the brake tubes at the junction box. Tom On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Would U. Believe wrote: > Hi all. I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about the alternator/belt > adjustment bracket of the MKII Tiger. I have the original MKII alternator > bracket, but my flat adjustment bracket/bar that seems to be the wrong one. > I think it's a bit short and angled wrong because it seems to interfere > with > the alternator fan. Does anyone know which part would interchange (Ford > Falcon/Mustang/Galaxie, etc. Anyone? Thanks in advance for the > information. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 13 18:38:35 2010 From: "Jerry & Maureen \(Mo\)" To: , Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:35:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug /US Magnet source List Speaking of magnets in oil pans, what I have done is attach several (5 or 6) of those very powerful magnets to the oil filter. Then, if you so desire, you can cut open the filter and see if there is any (or how much) metal your engine is making (only ferrous metal of course). Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 11:00 AM To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug /US Magnet source Hello, As usual, Theo has been very helpful, but his country of residence makes purchasing from the sources he provided a bit of a hurdle. All hail the Maple Leaf and the beaver. BTW: I've found a US source for all kinds of magnets (neodymium, samarium-cobalt, alnico, and ceramic) in all shapes and sizes. Nice site, nice source: _http://www.magnetsource.com_ (http://www.magnetsource.com/) Further, the kindness shown by "spook" and Maine resident Mr. Tod Brown is truly humbling. I can only hope to help Mr. Brown in a similar fashion, very very soon. Yours for the sport, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006@suddenlink.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 13 20:14:53 2010 From: THEO SMIT To: Dave Munroe Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:08:06 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug /US Magnet source Hi all, I pointed Jim at Princess Auto (which is a Western Canada based chain and it's definitely a unique place), but also to Digikey, which ships worldwide from a warehouse in Minnesota. If you need electronics parts (or even magnets) then Digikey (www.digikey.com) is an amazing resource. Lee Valley is a very bad place to visit... or worse, you could sign up for their catalog and then you get monthly reminders. http://www.leevalley.com/en/ Theo _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 13 20:15:52 2010 From: drmayf To: "Jerry & Maureen (Mo)" Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:23:35 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug /US Magnet source You know the magnets do not have to be all that powerful either. One step further is to stick a slab of the refrigerator magnet material to the outside of the oil pan to trap the particles. Doesn't do any good on bronze cam drive gears or no ferris materials however. mayf Jerry & Maureen (Mo) wrote: >List > >Speaking of magnets in oil pans, what I have done is attach several (5 or 6) >of those very powerful magnets to the oil filter. Then, if you so desire, >you can cut open the filter and see if there is any (or how much) metal your >engine is making (only ferrous metal of course). > >Jerry Christopherson >9473187 > >-----Original Message----- >From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] >On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com >Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 11:00 AM >To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net >Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug /US Magnet source > >Hello, > >As usual, Theo has been very helpful, but his country of residence makes >purchasing from the sources he provided a bit of a hurdle. All hail the >Maple > Leaf and the beaver. > >BTW: I've found a US source for all kinds of magnets (neodymium, >samarium-cobalt, alnico, and ceramic) in all shapes and sizes. Nice site, >nice >source: _http://www.magnetsource.com_ (http://www.magnetsource.com/) > >Further, the kindness shown by "spook" and Maine resident Mr. Tod Brown is >truly humbling. >I can only hope to help Mr. Brown in a similar fashion, very very soon. > >Yours for the sport, > > >Jim Armstrong >Mk 1A 382002083 >LRXFE >_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 13 23:14:43 2010 From: Gyroplanes@aol.com To: JCMC2006@suddenlink.net, Rollright@aol.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 00:18:45 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug /US Magnet source It's an old racing trick to put a speaker magnet on the oil filter. Pop it off and reuse it on the next. Cutting open an oil filter is an aviation mechanics staple. They sell expensive filter cutters, but a "bicycle chain looking" tubing cutter works fine. Tom Milton In a message dated 6/13/2010 7:39:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, JCMC2006@suddenlink.net writes: Speaking of magnets in oil pans, what I have done is attach several (5 or 6) of those very powerful magnets to the oil filter. Then, if you so desire, you can cut open the filter and see if there is any (or how much) metal your engine is making (only ferrous metal of course). _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 14 14:58:31 2010 From: "Lon" To: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:46:59 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter Check Been cutting open my oil filters on the race car for years, now doing it on my regular vehicles. Very easy and very telling. Be sure to pull the core out and spread the filter. I usually do this in bright sun to check for any metal reflecting. One of the best defenses available in my book. Never did see the need for any magnets . . . Bet ya Buck sleeps with his old filters(!) _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 14 18:40:29 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:44:55 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] What's the story with this MKII? Hi all. I wonder what the story is with this Mark 2 Tiger on eBay. I've seen it not sell on eBay more than once before. Claims to be listed in the BoN, but I've never had the pleasure to see a copy. Any info? Thanks! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Tiger-1967-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-II- _W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c1358f144QQitemZ120583680324QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTr ucks#v4-35 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 14 19:25:01 2010 From: Steve Laifman To: "Jerry & Maureen (Mo)" Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:24:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger Jerry, I can vouch for the *Pertronix "Ignitor" *distributor module. I have had the original *Pertronics Ignitor* (I) for years The newer version and hot coil for the Pertronix "*Ignitor II*" are still in their boxes, as the original is working just fine. There are some additional work to be done for the best set-up. For this you need a knowledgeable mechanic who still has one of those mechanical "Distributor Machines" and (as I recall) an adapter for the input. You must decide your usage requirements to use distributor spring and/or weight adjustment. These are available at parts stores for the Ford distributor, and allow the advance curve to be adjusted. I believe we used the spring kit for the "plain" marking (colored silver), depending on your needs (Accel?). New silicone wires cut to desired routing pattern from the FACTORY (Accel?). RESULTS: 1. No points to wear, /*or replace*/. 2. Advance curved to */YOUR/* needs. 3. Clean wire routing to */YOUR/* needs. If probably will last forever - which is why I saw no need for replacing it with the newer model. /"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" /Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com Jerry & Maureen (Mo) wrote: > List, > > Those of you changing to the Pertronics modules, be sure to check out the > newer Pertronics III, among other things it has a rev limiter. I've > installed several on Mustangs and they seem to work very well. > > They are a little more expensive, but for that once in a lifetime missed > shift and the engine goes to a RPM you've never heard before. It's cheep > insurance > > Jerry Christopherson > 9473187 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 14 20:12:01 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:22:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What's the story with this MKII? The auction was stopped, but here was the description: Available for sale is this 1967 Sunbeam Tiger Mark II, VIN B382100231, Engine No 2015, JAL 700131. Listed in the Book of Norman. This car is one of only 536 ever produced, and one of only a few hundred still in existence. This car runs great! Body in good condition. Original 289 engine in great condition. Clutch is in very good condition. Transmission shifts smoothly. Paint in very good condition, now yellow, was originally orchid green. Black interior in very good condition. Custom front bra. Recently serviced.The brakes were completely redone 100 miles ago - all new hoses and power booster. Restoration completed about 10 years ago. Photographs of restoration available. Unable to confirm exact number of miles on car. LAT hood and magnesium wheels. Also new manifolds, new carburetor, air cleaner (K&N) and oil filter. Original 2 barrel intake, carb and carb spacer , manifolds, air cleaner, fuel pump, and original valve covers with engine plate available. Original handbook, service manual, and title documents. Don9t miss this rare opportunity to own an original 1967 Mark II Sunbeam Tiger! $500 non-refundable deposit due within 24 hours of bid closing, payable through PayPal. Balance due within 7 days of bid closing, payable by cashier9s check or money order. Vehicle sold as-is. Buyer must pay and make arrangements for shipping. Please feel free to email me any questions. I am available to show the car if you live nearby. 1967 Sunbeam Tiger Mark 2 Rootes NOT an Alpine The car was pictured parked in front of a WWI era P51 Mustang (I think). On 6/14/10 7:44 PM, "MGD" wrote: > Hi all. I wonder what the story is with this Mark 2 Tiger on eBay. I've > seen it not sell on eBay more than once before. Claims to be listed in the > BoN, but I've never had the pleasure to see a copy. Any info? Thanks! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Tiger-1967-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-II- > _W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c1358f144QQitemZ120583680324QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTr > ucks#v4-35 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/porsche911e@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 14 20:56:57 2010 From: Jim To: Steve Laifman Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:50:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger I've had several pertro Ix unit... All worked great! Then I bought the new 5.0 liter long block for the Tiger. I didn't have a Ford dizzy handy to install a module so I ordered up a brand new billet Pertronix (non-vacuum) complete unit. I was quite surprised when it arrived with a Chevy cap!! It's still on the car!! I guess they come that way regardless of application. :( Jim Sent from my iPhone On 2010-06-14, at 5:24 PM, Steve Laifman wrote: > Jerry, > > I can vouch for the *Pertronix "Ignitor" *distributor module. I have > had the original *Pertronics Ignitor* (I) for years The newer version > and hot coil for the Pertronix "*Ignitor II*" are still in their > boxes, > as the original is working just fine. > > There are some additional work to be done for the best set-up. For > this > you need a knowledgeable mechanic who still has one of those > mechanical > "Distributor Machines" and (as I recall) an adapter for the input. > > You must decide your usage requirements to use distributor spring > and/or > weight adjustment. These are available at parts stores for the Ford > distributor, and allow the advance curve to be adjusted. I believe > we > used the spring kit for the "plain" marking (colored silver), > depending > on your needs (Accel?). New silicone wires cut to desired routing > pattern from the FACTORY (Accel?). > > RESULTS: > > 1. No points to wear, /*or replace*/. > 2. Advance curved to */YOUR/* needs. > 3. Clean wire routing to */YOUR/* needs. > > > If probably will last forever - which is why I saw no need for > replacing > it with the newer model. > > /"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" > > /Steve > > Steve Laifman > > Editor > > http://TigersUnited.com > > > > Jerry & Maureen (Mo) wrote: >> List, >> >> Those of you changing to the Pertronics modules, be sure to check >> out the >> newer Pertronics III, among other things it has a rev limiter. I've >> installed several on Mustangs and they seem to work very well. >> >> They are a little more expensive, but for that once in a lifetime >> missed >> shift and the engine goes to a RPM you've never heard before. It's >> cheep >> insurance >> >> Jerry Christopherson >> 9473187 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim@island.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 14 21:45:47 2010 From: Marc James Small To: "Would U. Believe" , Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:18:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What's the story with this MKII? At 09:22 PM 6/14/2010, Would U. Believe wrote: >The car was pictured parked in front of a WWI era P51 Mustang (I think). WWII P-51, maybe. There was no "WWI P51". Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 15 00:21:34 2010 From: michael king To: "Would U. Believe" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:31:28 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What's the story with this MKII? Car seems to be relisted.. IIRC there was much discussion about this car the few times it has appeared on ebay in regards to the VIN TAG. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Tiger-1967-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-II-/120583680324?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item1c1358f144 -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 15 03:20:10 2010 From: "George Leibert" To: "'michael king'" , "'Would U. Believe'" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:20:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What's the story with this MKII? Know nothing of the car, nothing about it in TBON, but it's parked in front of a British Spitfire fighter. Geo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 1:31 AM To: Would U. Believe; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] What's the story with this MKII? Car seems to be relisted.. IIRC there was much discussion about this car the few times it has appeared on ebay in regards to the VIN TAG. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Tiger-1967-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-II- /120583680324?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item1c1358f144 -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 15 05:23:03 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: , 'michael king' Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:29:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What's the story with this MKII? Right! Sorry about that, Chief! I knew it was a British plane but could not recall the model at the time I was writing. Thanks. On 6/15/10 4:20 AM, "George Leibert" wrote: > Know nothing of the car, nothing about it in TBON, but it's parked in front > of a British Spitfire fighter. > > Geo > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of michael king > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 1:31 AM > To: Would U. Believe; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] What's the story with this MKII? > > Car seems to be relisted.. > > IIRC there was much discussion about this car the few times it has appeared > on ebay in regards to the VIN TAG. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Tiger-1967-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-II- > /120583680324?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item1c1358f144 > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 15 05:23:37 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: Marc James Small , MGD Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:29:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What's the story with this MKII? Typo. On 6/14/10 10:18 PM, "Marc James Small" wrote: > At 09:22 PM 6/14/2010, Would U. Believe wrote: > >> The car was pictured parked in front of a WWI era P51 Mustang (I think). > > WWII P-51, maybe. There was no "WWI P51". > > Marc > > > msmall@aya.yale.edu > Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 15 08:05:08 2010 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 09:36:00 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] yellow Mark 2 I think the auction places the car in Malibu,CA but the license plate and background of the Eagle Hanger places it at the Wittman Regional Airport (OSH) in Oshkosh, WI. This hanger is part of the AirVenture Museum, and the airport is the site for the annual EAA (Experimental Aircraft)fly-in each August. Maybe the photos are from an earlier time. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 15 14:20:43 2010 From: Joel Martin To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 12:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Timing Chain Cover I am beginning to question the timing chain cover on a 289 HP ~1965 motor. Best I can read, the part number is C50E-6050. This cover has a 'spout' but the space inside the cover is so small to take in oil. Is this the correct timing chain cover or should there be one without the 'spout'? Any insight is appreciated. Joel Martin _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 15 18:35:59 2010 From: michael king To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:26:48 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Rent-A-Tiger i'd love to know the insurance levy on this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sunbeam-Tiger-MK1A-Classic-car-hire-/200477990362?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_localservices_car_vehicle_GL&hash=item2ead6b5dda and at 313bhp and rented to the unwary.. i hope they upgraded the brakes! -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 15 19:07:05 2010 From: Gary To: rande@thecia.net Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 17:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] yellow Mark 2 A friend who lives in Malibu has seen this car recently, but has no more details. --- On Tue, 6/15/10, rande wrote: From: rande Subject: [Tigers] yellow Mark 2 To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 6:36 AM I think the auction places the car in Malibu,CA, but the license plate and background of the Eagle Hanger places it at the Wittman Regional Airport (OSH) in Oshkosh, WI. This hanger is part of the AirVenture Museum and the airport is the site for the annual EAA (Experimental Aircraft) fly-in each August. Maybe the photos are from an earlier time. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 15 19:52:09 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Joel Martin'" , Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:09:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Timing Chain Cover Joel Time chain cover C5OE-6059-A1; A1 is under the 6059. This is a 289 cover used with the cast iron water pump. This cover does not have an oil fill spout; oil goes in the valve cover breather tube. timing cover C30E-6059-B has an oil filler tube or freeze plug C4AE-6059-B oil fill area cast closed C4OE-6059-A oil fill area eliminated Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 3:14 PM To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Timing Chain Cover I am beginning to question the timing chain cover on a 289 HP ~1965 motor. Best I can read, the part number is C50E-6050. This cover has a 'spout' but the space inside the cover is so small to take in oil. Is this the correct timing chain cover or should there be one without the 'spout'? Any insight is appreciated. Joel Martin _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2937 - Release Date: 06/15/10 06:35:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 16 06:31:36 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 04:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] U- Joints and shocks Last night I found a brief case that I used years ago for Sunbeam items. Mostly where old Te/Ae newsletter but I had receipts from Tiger Tom and a few names and phone numbers from Canada to Fla. The following information may be in the hands of Steve Laiffman and his website but I thought I would post what I found on the back side of the outer cover of PERFORMANCE TUNING Sunbeam Tiger published by Floyd Clymer. I know I still own the rest of the book BUT I have several BEAM items that I own but would hate to have to produce. At any rate, I have the following written on the inside of the cover. May it help one person- then I will have at least not wasted your and my time. U-Joints- front and rear -----Spicer 5osS-153x I cant read my writing now much less 40 plus years ago may be a 5 as thats my guess BUT ask for the S as well Front shocks- Sears 79281; Gabriel 63329 Next may be front or back but I think rear-- Full size Buick 1965 to 1970 Rear Gabrirl 3171; Olds Vista Cruizer 1965 Corvette 1960 to 1962 R.G. Wheatly Sales manager Traction master L917 West Olympic Blvd. Los Angles, Ca 6 and that is in some one elses handwriting and the 6 appers to be the start of the zip code and the person stopped, so I doubt it has any signifigance. I have no idea the availability of any of these parts or if the numbers are still of value but at least knowing what will fit mat help if a person wanted air shocks etc etc. Always a Tiger person. TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 16 11:30:49 2010 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Magnets Found this place that sells Neodymium in many shapes and sizes. Found out that standard Neodymium magnets are heat sensitive but they have High temp versions - http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=D66SH http://www.kjmagnetics.com/ Home page Sandy _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 16 11:31:30 2010 From: Jim Sencindiver To: vegaslegal@aol.com, jd.sencindiver@gmail.com Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:55:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] New sports car purchased. I finally got around to adding a spare to my G8 GT. Sport wheel and Bridgestone tire ran me about $850. Yes, the spare fits in the whell well. GM wants to keep me as a customer, so they sent me coupons for 4 FREE oil changes/tire rotations for my G8 GT (must use between 1/1/10 and 12/30/10). They also sent me the same 4 FREE coupons for my 2004 Grand Prix GTP. Looks like my car maintenace needs are mostly met for this year! Keep on Tigering! Jim Sencindiver B382100451/TAC 448 http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.as On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:22 AM, wrote: > Adding a spare tire to my G8 is on my list of things to do, but first I > need to measure the spare tire well and make sure the sport tire (245/45/19) > will fit! > > Keep on Tigering! > Jim Sencindiver > B382100451/TAC 448 > http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.as > > > On Oct 22, 2009 11:01am, vegaslegal@aol.com wrote: > > My neighbor (also a gearhead) has had that exact car for about 6 mos. > Thinks its the best thing since sliced bread and has enjoyed every minute of > ownership. He made one change. Added a spare. Can buy from the dealer if > your interested. A little more weight, a lot more peace of mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: jd.sencindiver@gmail.com > > > > > > To: vegaslegal@aol.com > > > > > > Sent: Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:49 am > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] New sports car purchased. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I, too, bought a new car. It's a 2009 Pontiac G8 GT with premium and > sport packages, and when all the rebates were applied, I paid only $24,586. > It's a big car (almost 4,000 lbs), but the 6.0 L V8 (361 hp, 385 lb-ft > torque) rockets it down the road (0-60 in 5.2 seconds). It seats 5 > comfortably and the trunk is huge (18.5 cu ft). With the sport package you > get 19" wheels with Bridgestone performance tires and a 6 speed auto tranny. > When you get the GT it includes a LSD (and with all that torque, it's > needed!). The car rides nice and handles much better than a 2 ton car has a > right to. A couple of the car magazines went so far as to claim the G8 GXP > (6.2 L V8, 416 hp, 400+ lb-ft torque, but otherwise very similar to the G8 > GT) ride/handling/acceleration/braking is equivalent to the BMW 550i! > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm very happy with it, but disappointed that GM shut down Pontiac > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Jim Sencindiver > > > > > > B382100451/TAC 448 > > > > > > http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.as _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 16 13:34:29 2010 From: Howard gentry To: michael king , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 11:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rent-A-Tiger Hi, Insurance would be about the same as the rental..I drove a 306 HP HiPo 289 Tiger for several years..It was killer fast..and it had the brake upgrades..still...way too stout for the street..IMHO..lol zym The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Tue, 6/15/10, michael king wrote: From: michael king Subject: [Tigers] Rent-A-Tiger To: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 7:26 PM i'd love to know the insurance levy on this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sunbeam-Tiger-MK1A-Classic-car-hire-/200477990362?cmd=V iewItem&pt=UK_localservices_car_vehicle_GL&hash=item2ead6b5dda and at 313bhp and rented to the unwary.. i hope they upgraded the brakes! -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/zymmer4@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 16 14:30:21 2010 From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Painting a 1966 MK1A Tiger Does anyone have a comprehensive list of what is suppose to be painted body color that they would share? Thanks Joel _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 16 15:32:14 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Joel Martin , Tiger List Serve Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:53:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ***SPAM*** Painting a 1966 MK1A Tiger As far as I know it's everything that is part of the chassis/body assembly, including the windshield frame and the Ware struts, inside and out, top and bottom. Not the steering/front suspension crossmember. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin > Sent: June 16, 2010 1:42 PM > To: Tiger List Serve > Subject: ***SPAM*** [Tigers] Painting a 1966 MK1A Tiger > > Does anyone have a comprehensive list of what is suppose to be painted > body color that they would share? > > Thanks > Joel ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 16 16:49:08 2010 From: "Thomas Prager" To: "Joel Martin" , "Tiger List Serve" Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:44:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ***SPAM*** Painting a 1966 MK1A Tiger The posterior aspect (behind the chrome strip) of the "pan" under the grill and behind the front bumper should be painted a dark gray. Even the hood prop is body color. tom ----- Original Message ----- From: Smit, Theo To: Joel Martin ; Tiger List Serve Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] ***SPAM*** Painting a 1966 MK1A Tiger As far as I know it's everything that is part of the chassis/body assembly, including the windshield frame and the Ware struts, inside and out, top and bottom. Not the steering/front suspension crossmember. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin > Sent: June 16, 2010 1:42 PM > To: Tiger List Serve > Subject: ***SPAM*** [Tigers] Painting a 1966 MK1A Tiger > > Does anyone have a comprehensive list of what is suppose to be painted > body color that they would share? > > Thanks > Joel --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tcprager@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 16 16:50:03 2010 From: Tom Parker To: "Smit, Theo" Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 17:49:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ***SPAM*** Painting a 1966 MK1A Tiger I agree with Theo. My Mark2 was body color everywhere on the body except the crossmember & steering column (not part of the "body"). One of the previous posts talked about the bodies being altered / built as Tiger bodies at the stamping plant and painted there, then further modification / repainting was done by Jensen prior to / during assembly. The engine / transmission are Ford colors (Ford Black or Corporate Blue / Dark Blue depending on the engine...), the rear end was (I think) black. The stock steel wheels are grey. Tom ' 67 Mark 2 On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > As far as I know it's everything that is part of the chassis/body assembly, > including the windshield frame and the Ware struts, inside and out, top and > bottom. Not the steering/front suspension crossmember. > > Theo > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin > > Sent: June 16, 2010 1:42 PM > > To: Tiger List Serve > > Subject: ***SPAM*** [Tigers] Painting a 1966 MK1A Tiger > > > > Does anyone have a comprehensive list of what is suppose to be painted > > body color that they would share? > > > > Thanks > > Joel > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the > sole > use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, > please > be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail > or > any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > please contact the sender and delete all copies. > > Thank you for your cooperation. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 16 17:47:39 2010 From: michael king To: Joel Martin Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:17:27 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Painting a 1966 MK1A Tiger Not a list.,.. but the body inside and out (including under the guards and floors dash etc..) scuttle vents headlight rims Behind the grill is black things like the steering rack and suspension parts are satin black On 17 June 2010 05:41, Joel Martin wrote: > Does anyone have a comprehensive list of what is suppose to be painted body > color that they would share? > > Thanks > Joel > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 16 19:22:55 2010 From: berlin6703@mypacks.net To: "tigers@autox.team.net " Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Shocks (Dampers) I just got a complete car set of adjustable shocks for my 65 MK I directly from SPAX in the UK. Total cost, including shipping, was about $450. You can see what SPAX sells from their website (I think it is www.spaxperformance.com). FYI the Tiger is listed under Talbot as a Talbot Sunbeam Alpine Tiger in their product list. You cannot get the SPAX web site to allow a sales transaction to the US because the shipping cost calculator does not work for N. America. You will have to contact them directly by phone or email. Shipping was about $85 of the cost. I have not installed them yet. If anyone is interested in particulars, drop me an email. ATIGER8 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 16 19:23:59 2010 From: Peter MacDonald To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 17:33:54 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Canadian content A little something from North of the 49th Parallel for our US ( and other) Tiger friends to enjoy. Peter & Theo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUqsF8vbR_Q&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0LT-RZGXBc&feature=related _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 17 05:45:54 2010 From: Howard gentry To: Gary , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 03:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rent-A-Tiger Hi, It depends on what you call fun..and how many "buddies"that you have in law enforcment..;-) , of course..... zym The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Wed, 6/16/10, Gary wrote: From: Gary Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rent-A-Tiger To: "Howard gentry" Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 7:07 PM Howard, Does that mean my 400+ HP 331 stroker is unstreetable? Personally, I think it's way too much fun. Gary --- On Wed, 6/16/10, Howard gentry wrote: From: Howard gentry Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rent-A-Tiger To: "michael king" , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 11:55 AM Hi, Insurance would be about the same as the rental..I drove a 306 HP HiPo 289 Tiger for several years..It was killer fast..and it had the brake upgrades..still...way too stout for the street..IMHO..lol zym The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Tue, 6/15/10, michael king wrote: From: michael king Subject: [Tigers] Rent-A-Tiger To: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 7:26 PM i'd love to know the insurance levy on this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sunbeam-Tiger-MK1A-Classic-car-hire-/200477990362?cmd=V iewItem&pt=UK_localservices_car_vehicle_GL&hash=item2ead6b5dda and at 313bhp and rented to the unwary.. i hope they upgraded the brakes! -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/zymmer4@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/maliburevue@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 17 07:48:01 2010 From: Jeffrey Nichols To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 06:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) "The posterior aspect (behind the chrome strip) of the "pan" under the grill and behind the front bumper should be painted a dark gray. Even the hood prop is body color." The correct color is low-gloss black. And be sure to leave brush marks to make it factory correct. Jeff _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 17 11:21:45 2010 From: drmayf To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:38:14 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Test... I have been having issues with my ISP and he has been working to fix them. Ihope he has not cured teh problem by blocking everythign that comes from the tiger list, lol. Would one of you hit reply so I can see that I can send and recieve? mayf _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 17 11:49:35 2010 From: brockctella@juno.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:54:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Sunbeam Specialties is out of engine mounts. I was also informed by them that the Doan? supplied mounts have been having separation issues. Does anyone have another source? Thanks ____________________________________________________________ TODAY: iPads for $123.74? ALERT: iPads are being auctioned for 95% off today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c1a53488c7ac3c63b9st03vuc _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 17 17:19:42 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 18:42:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Try Classic Sunbeam then NAPA Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of brockctella@juno.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 12:54 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts Sunbeam Specialties is out of engine mounts. I was also informed by them that the Doan? supplied mounts have been having separation issues. Does anyone have another source? 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2941 - Release Date: 06/17/10 06:35:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 17 18:47:04 2010 From: drmayf To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:03:02 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] The Test request.. ...response has been way helpful! I received lots of replies so I must have made it through the list. Now I need to watch to make sure everything that goes to the list from others makes it to my desk. If one of you is going to send something to the list regards some issue or problem, would you do me a favor? Put me directly on the headed as a BCC to drmayf@mayfco.com. Just once is enough. That way I will get a direct pm and I should also get the same mesage via the email list and that will let me kow I am geting all the email. mayf _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 17 21:16:01 2010 From: Jeffrey Nichols To: vegaslegal@aol.com, jd.sencindiver@gmail.com Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 19:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] New sports car purchased - Times Three "I, too, bought a new car. It's a 2009 Pontiac G8 GT with premium and > sport packages, and when all the rebates were applied, I paid only $24,586. > It's a big car (almost 4,000 lbs), but the 6.0 L V8 (361 hp, 385 lb-ft > torque) rockets it down the road (0-60 in 5.2 seconds). " This must be the time for new car purchases! I picked up a 2009 Infiniti G37X AWD sedan recently. The car seats five, weighs 3,807lbs and the 3.7 litre V6 puts out 328 hp @ 7,000 rpm with torque at 269 lb-ft @ 5,200 rpm. . 0 - 60 takes 5.1 seconds and includes a spare tire. I'm sure the 7 speed auto trans helps in the acceleration. Jeff _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 17 22:46:12 2010 From: TIGEROOTES@aol.com To: drmayf@mayfco.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 23:56:35 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] The Test request.. Mayf, Many of us are hoping you will break the record of "The World's Fastest Indian" with your Sunbeam. CC to Mayf for his test. Jim _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 18 02:45:08 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: drmayf@mayfco.com, tigers@autox.team.net, TIGEROOTES@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 01:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] The Test request.. AND we are also hoping the movie they make about you is as great as you and the move about the Worlds fastest Indian, one I could see annually. Go Dr. Mayf. TtT _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 18 03:17:27 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: vegaslegal@aol.com, jd.sencindiver@gmail.com, Jeffrey Nichols Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 01:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] New sports car purchased - Times Three Well I do have a Sunbeam Tiger and Ive never checked its weight BUT I am considered an"overload" and 0 to 60, I cant guess-- torque- it has plenty and fun is abundant- otherwise I'm driving my 1993 Chevy Blazer my broNlaw was going to send to the junk yard when he bought a much nicer and newer model. He is in WVa and I told him that was an easy $1000 in southern IL. It too has no record of 0to60, but it gets 15mpg no matter how I drive and the bondo that broNlaw had installed, so it would pass inspection is starting to show. I did recently buy 2 front tires and a new muffler and tail pipe- total, including labor and disposal of old tires $300. You guy's have it to rough, to bad your not as lucky as me. Ok, maybe there is another Tiger or 3 hidden about but they(but 1) are pretty rough. Not counting the Alger that the body guy was going to have done in 6weeks, some 12-15 years ago- maybe I should take him paint BUT he would then ask me to remove it from his shop. He wrote the contract.I am glad he did great body work. I did well, I sold the Alpine guy that sold me the S5 a S4 a few months back. I think it will be a parts car but it was driven to a body shop where it sat for years before he finally caved in to selling it to me- so it was driven in. My story of the week BUT I promise, ALL true. TtT --- On Thu, 6/17/10, Jeffrey Nichols wrote: From: Jeffrey Nichols Subject: [Tigers] New sports car purchased - Times Three To: vegaslegal@aol.com, jd.sencindiver@gmail.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, June 17, 2010, 9:38 PM "I, too, bought a new car. It's a 2009 Pontiac G8 GT with premium and > sport packages, and when all the rebates were applied, I paid only $24,586. > It's a big car (almost 4,000 lbs), but the 6.0 L V8 (361 hp, 385 lb-ft > torque) rockets it down the road (0-60 in 5.2 seconds). " This must be the time for new car purchases! I picked up a 2009 Infiniti G37X AWD sedan recently. The car seats five, weighs 3,807lbs and the 3.7 litre V6 puts out 328 hp @ 7,000 rpm with torque at 269 lb-ft @ 5,200 rpm. . 0 - 60 takes 5.1 seconds and includes a spare tire. I'm sure the 7 speed auto trans helps in the acceleration. Jeff _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 18 03:44:04 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: vegaslegal@aol.com, jd.sencindiver@gmail.com, Jeffrey Nichols Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 02:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] New sports car purchased - Times Three (except ME) --- On Fri, 6/18/10, Tony Somebody wrote: 2010, 3:34 AM Well I do have a Sunbeam Tiger and Ive never checked its weight BUT I am considered an"overload" and 0 to 60, I cant guess-- torque- it has plenty and fun is abundant- otherwise I'm driving my 1993 Chevy Blazer my broNlaw was going to send to the junk yard when he bought a much nicer and newer model. He is in WVa and I told him that was an easy $1000 in southern IL. It too has no record of 0to60, but it gets 15mpg no matter how I drive and the bondo that broNlaw had installed, so it would pass inspection is starting to show. I did recently buy 2 front tires and a new muffler and tail pipe- total, including labor and disposal of old tires $300. You guy's have it to rough, to bad your not as lucky as me. Ok, maybe there is another Tiger or 3 hidden about but they(but 1) are pretty rough. Not counting the Alger that the body guy was going to have done in 6weeks, some 12-15 years ago- maybe I should take him paint BUT he would then ask me to remove it from his shop. He wrote the contract.I am glad he did great body work. I did well, I sold the Alpine guy that sold me the S5 a S4 a few months back. I think it will be a parts car but it was driven to a body shop where it sat for years before he finally caved in to selling it to me- so it was driven in. My story of the week BUT I promise, ALL true. TtT _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 18 05:42:44 2010 From: arado7@sbcglobal.net To: vegaslegal@aol.com, jd.sencindiver@gmail.com, Jeffrey Nichols Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 03:56:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] New sports car purchased - Times Three On new sport cars I just bought my second Crossfire. A coupe to go with the roadster. Not fast but handle like a dream. 96% German parts and built by Karmann. My Tiger will last longer now. Gary B9472283 --- On Fri, 6/18/10, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: Re: [Tigers] New sports car purchased - Times Three To: vegaslegal@aol.com, jd.sencindiver@gmail.com, "Jeffrey Nichols" Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 8:34 AM Well I do have a Sunbeam Tiger and Ive never checked its weight BUT I am considered an"overload" and 0 to 60, I cant guess-- torque- it has plenty and fun is abundant- otherwise I'm driving my 1993 Chevy Blazer my broNlaw was going to send to the junk yard when he bought a much nicer and newer model. He is in WVa and I told him that was an easy $1000 in southern IL. It too has no record of 0to60, but it gets 15mpg no matter how I drive and the bondo that broNlaw had installed, so it would pass inspection is starting to show. I did recently buy 2 front tires and a new muffler and tail pipe- total, including labor and disposal of old tires $300. You guy's have it to rough, to bad your not as lucky as me. Ok, maybe there is another Tiger or 3 hidden about but they(but 1) are pretty rough. Not counting the Alger that the body guy was going to have done in 6weeks, some 12-15 years ago- maybe I should take him paint BUT he would then ask me to remove it from his shop. He wrote the contract.I am glad he did great body work. I did well, I sold the Alpine guy that sold me the S5 a S4 a few months back. I think it will be a parts car but it was driven to a body shop where it sat for years before he finally caved in to selling it to me- so it was driven in. My story of the week BUT I promise, ALL true. TtT --- On Thu, 6/17/10, Jeffrey Nichols wrote: From: Jeffrey Nichols Subject: [Tigers] New sports car purchased - Times Three To: vegaslegal@aol.com, jd.sencindiver@gmail.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, June 17, 2010, 9:38 PM "I, too, bought a new car. It's a 2009 Pontiac G8 GT with premium and > sport packages, and when all the rebates were applied, I paid only $24,586. > It's a big car (almost 4,000 lbs), but the 6.0 L V8 (361 hp, 385 lb-ft > torque) rockets it down the road (0-60 in 5.2 seconds). " This must be the time for new car purchases! I picked up a 2009 Infiniti G37X AWD sedan recently. The car seats five, weighs 3,807lbs and the 3.7 litre V6 puts out 328 hp @ 7,000 rpm with torque at 269 lb-ft @ 5,200 rpm. . 0 - 60 takes 5.1 seconds and includes a spare tire. I'm sure the 7 speed auto trans helps in the acceleration. Jeff _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/arado7@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 18 07:51:31 2010 From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" To: TIGEROOTES@aol.com,drmayf@mayfco.com,tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 09:20:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?The_Test_request=2E=2E?= When I reply to mayf from this phone I get an odd automatic reply. I receive his mailings as well as all others, and can reply. Go figure. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: TIGEROOTES@aol.com Date: Thu, Jun 17, 2010 23:56 Subject: [Tigers] The Test request.. To: , Mayf, Many of us are hoping you will break the record of "The World's Fastest Indian" with your Sunbeam. CC to Mayf for his test. Jim _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 18 08:18:17 2010 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: , , Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 09:21:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] New sports car purchased - Times Three And I let my old Sportscar go...a guy bought my Tiger on Wednesday and took the pile of parts on Thursday. Saturday I will be looking at a 1971 Challenger RT and a 1972 340 Duster still in original paint. Paul > Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 03:56:49 -0700 > From: arado7@sbcglobal.net > To: vegaslegal@aol.com; jd.sencindiver@gmail.com; jxnichols@sbcglobal.net; achd73@yahoo.com > CC: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] New sports car purchased - Times Three > > On new sport cars I just bought my second Crossfire. A coupe to go with the > roadster. Not fast but handle like a dream. 96% German parts and built by > Karmann. My Tiger will last longer now. Gary B9472283 > > --- On Fri, 6/18/10, Tony Somebody wrote: > > > From: Tony Somebody > Subject: Re: [Tigers] New sports car purchased - Times Three > To: vegaslegal@aol.com, jd.sencindiver@gmail.com, "Jeffrey Nichols" > > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 8:34 AM > > > Well I do have a Sunbeam Tiger and Ive never checked its weight BUT I am > considered an"overload" and 0 to 60, I cant guess-- torque- it has plenty and > fun is abundant- otherwise I'm driving my 1993 Chevy Blazer my broNlaw was > going to send to the junk yard when he bought a much nicer and newer model. > He > is in WVa and I told him that was an easy $1000 > in southern IL. It too has no record of 0to60, but it gets 15mpg no matter > how > I drive and the bondo that broNlaw had installed, so it would pass inspection > is starting to show. I did recently buy 2 front tires and a new muffler and > tail pipe- total, including labor and disposal of old tires $300. You guy's > have it to rough, to bad your not as lucky as me. Ok, maybe there is another > Tiger or 3 hidden about but they(but 1) are pretty rough. Not counting the > Alger that the body guy was going to have done in 6weeks, some 12-15 years > ago- maybe I should take him paint BUT he would then ask me to remove it from > his shop. He wrote the contract.I am glad he did great body work. I did well, > I sold the Alpine guy that sold me the S5 a S4 a few months back. I think it > will be a parts car but it was driven to a body shop where it sat for years > before he finally caved in to selling it to me- so it was driven in. > My story of the week BUT I promise, ALL true. > > TtT > > --- On Thu, 6/17/10, Jeffrey Nichols wrote: > > > From: Jeffrey Nichols > Subject: [Tigers] New sports car purchased - Times Three > To: vegaslegal@aol.com, jd.sencindiver@gmail.com > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, June 17, 2010, 9:38 PM > > > > "I, too, bought a new car. It's a 2009 Pontiac G8 GT with premium and > > sport packages, and when all the rebates were applied, I paid only $24,586. > > It's a big car (almost 4,000 lbs), but the 6.0 L V8 (361 hp, 385 lb-ft > > torque) rockets it down the road (0-60 in 5.2 seconds). " > > > This must be the time for new car purchases! I picked up a 2009 Infiniti > G37X > AWD sedan recently. The car seats five, weighs 3,807lbs and the 3.7 litre V6 > puts out 328 hp @ 7,000 rpm with torque at 269 lb-ft @ 5,200 rpm. . 0 - 60 > takes 5.1 seconds and includes a spare tire. I'm sure the 7 speed auto trans > helps in the acceleration. > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 18 09:49:12 2010 From: Gabbard Gabbard To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 08:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] 6-bolt narrow pattern bellhousing Does anyone have a Tiger Mk II bellhousing (6-bolt, narrow case) for sale or swap for a Mustang wide case bellhousing? Thanks! _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 20 18:38:56 2010 From: "Norman C. Miller" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 16:15:30 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] TU XXXII PICTURES Just popped in and out. Could stay. Better than nothing, but mostly IDs and engine bays. Sorry for the crummy shots. http://www.classictiger.com/norms/tu-xxxii/index.html Norm _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 20 19:25:52 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: Tigers Den Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 20:16:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger So, I'm wondering about carburetion. On my 260, per expert advice, I have a Holley 465 CFM carburetor installed -- sitting on an old Edelbrock F4B. The question is about my 289, which I'm in the process of installing. The engine has a mild cam, hydraulic lifters, original single point distributor, Rick's headers and exhaust. When I bought my car, the 260 had a Holley 600 CFM carb on it, which I replaced with the new 465 CFM carb. For the 289, I was wondering which would be the best choice. I'm thinking of installing either the 465, the 600, or a 715 CFM Holley. I don't know if the biggest carb would be best, or if that would simply make the car get horrible gas mileage. What do you think? What do you have on your Tiger? Thanks in advance for your advice! _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 20 20:26:24 2010 From: "Norman C. Miller" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 18:26:22 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] TU XXXII PICTURES Of course I meant "couldn't stay". http://www.classictiger.com/norms/tu-xxxii/index.html Norm _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 20 21:15:15 2010 From: michael king To: "Would U. Believe" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 11:30:47 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger You would have to be a moron to fit a 715 on a mild 289, especially given you are running stock MKII motor.. ie stock heads and valves..? Even 600 would be more than enough... no point bolting on a big carb with a motor that doesnt flow enough to use it. On 21 June 2010 10:16, Would U. Believe wrote: > So, I'm wondering about carburetion. On my 260, per expert advice, I have > a > Holley 465 CFM carburetor installed -- sitting on an old Edelbrock F4B. > The > question is about my 289, which I'm in the process of installing. The > engine has a mild cam, hydraulic lifters, original single point > distributor, > Rick's headers and exhaust. When I bought my car, the 260 had a Holley 600 > CFM carb on it, which I replaced with the new 465 CFM carb. For the 289, I > was wondering which would be the best choice. I'm thinking of installing > either the 465, the 600, or a 715 CFM Holley. I don't know if the biggest > carb would be best, or if that would simply make the car get horrible gas > mileage. What do you think? What do you have on your Tiger? Thanks in > advance for your advice! > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 20 21:21:36 2010 From: "wsamouce" To: "'Would U. Believe'" , "'Tigers Den'" Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 21:13:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger Screw Holley..........put a 1.08 Autolite 4100 on that 289. I have a 65 Mustang 4100 on my 260 and it runs like a scalded dog. It cold starts like a champ and idles at 700 rpm. I had a 650 Holley on the engine and it was way too big. I am having a 1.12 4100 built for my 347 stroker. Check out this forum - http://www.network54.com/Forum/88781/page-1 Once you go 4100, you never go back. They are that good. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Would U. Believe Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 7:17 PM To: Tigers Den Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger So, I'm wondering about carburetion. On my 260, per expert advice, I have a Holley 465 CFM carburetor installed -- sitting on an old Edelbrock F4B. The question is about my 289, which I'm in the process of installing. The engine has a mild cam, hydraulic lifters, original single point distributor, Rick's headers and exhaust. When I bought my car, the 260 had a Holley 600 CFM carb on it, which I replaced with the new 465 CFM carb. For the 289, I was wondering which would be the best choice. I'm thinking of installing either the 465, the 600, or a 715 CFM Holley. I don't know if the biggest carb would be best, or if that would simply make the car get horrible gas mileage. What do you think? What do you have on your Tiger? Thanks in advance for your advice! _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wsamouce@kc.rr.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 20 22:15:51 2010 From: michael king To: "Norman C. Miller" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 12:29:41 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] TU XXXII PICTURES Thanks for the photos Norm, looks like a good turn out.. and nice weather.. the HSC car is just stunning. Hopefully people will post some videos and pictures to the list and on the boards in the next few days. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 20 22:16:55 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: wsamouce , 'Tigers Den' Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 22:31:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger Yeah, I think you're right. Probably, anything over 600 cubic feet per minute flow is just too much. I was just curious to hear confirmations of that. I will probably move the 465 CFM over to the 289 and see how it goes before doing anything else. Next step up would be the 600CFM. I've got Holley carburetors on the shelf and don't want to spend more money than I have to, as much as I'd like to try your carb out! Cheers. On 6/20/10 10:13 PM, "wsamouce" wrote: > Screw Holley..........put a 1.08 Autolite 4100 on that 289. I have a 65 > Mustang 4100 on my 260 and it runs like a scalded dog. It cold starts like > a champ and idles at 700 rpm. I had a 650 Holley on the engine and it was > way too big. I am having a 1.12 4100 built for my 347 stroker. > > Check out this forum - http://www.network54.com/Forum/88781/page-1 > > Once you go 4100, you never go back. They are that good. > > Duke > B382002037 > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Would U. Believe > Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 7:17 PM > To: Tigers Den > Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger > > So, I'm wondering about carburetion. On my 260, per expert advice, I have a > Holley 465 CFM carburetor installed -- sitting on an old Edelbrock F4B. The > question is about my 289, which I'm in the process of installing. The > engine has a mild cam, hydraulic lifters, original single point distributor, > Rick's headers and exhaust. When I bought my car, the 260 had a Holley 600 > CFM carb on it, which I replaced with the new 465 CFM carb. For the 289, I > was wondering which would be the best choice. I'm thinking of installing > either the 465, the 600, or a 715 CFM Holley. I don't know if the biggest > carb would be best, or if that would simply make the car get horrible gas > mileage. What do you think? What do you have on your Tiger? Thanks in > advance for your advice! > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wsamouce@kc.rr.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 20 22:18:09 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: michael king Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 22:46:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger Jeez...Someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed? Trust me, I9m no moron. That9s why I asked the question. I get it, you prefer to hotrod a Tiger with a 5.0 or a 302 or other engine that never actually graced the engine bay of any Tiger when it was new. I got that. FYI, I happen to like the idea of the MKII engine in my MK1A Tiger and am putting a lot of effort into getting it right, to my own taste and needs. G9day mate. On 6/20/10 9:30 PM, "michael king" wrote: > You would have to be a moron to fit a 715 on a mild 289, especially given you > are running stock MKII motor.. ie stock heads and valves..? > > Even 600 would be more than enough... no point bolting on a big carb with a > motor that doesnt flow enough to use it. > > On 21 June 2010 10:16, Would U. Believe wrote: >> So, I'm wondering about carburetion. On my 260, per expert advice, I have a >> Holley 465 CFM carburetor installed -- sitting on an old Edelbrock F4B. The >> question is about my 289, which I'm in the process of installing. The >> engine has a mild cam, hydraulic lifters, original single point distributor, >> Rick's headers and exhaust. When I bought my car, the 260 had a Holley 600 >> CFM carb on it, which I replaced with the new 465 CFM carb. For the 289, I >> was wondering which would be the best choice. I'm thinking of installing >> either the 465, the 600, or a 715 CFM Holley. I don't know if the biggest >> carb would be best, or if that would simply make the car get horrible gas >> mileage. What do you think? What do you have on your Tiger? Thanks in >> advance for your advice! >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 20 22:18:56 2010 From: michael king To: "Would U. Believe" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:21:50 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger Mauro, Moron was probaly not the word to use.. and it was not aimed at you.. more a general comment about people putting the laregest carb on a motor thinking that gives them more power/faster car. However you seem to be asking very open ended questions that are not really going to give you a focused result. Perhaps instead of asking what's the "best" as ultimately that is subjective, perhaps specify your engine setup and ask what a good carb is for that and give an indication of intended use. I know as does everyone else as you go on at length that you are putting a MKII 289 in your engine bay.. and you are not near stock FYI.. but given you are running a MKII iron head motor and given you have not said you are putting large valves, roller rockers or other performance mods other than perhaps a mild cam jabbing a large holley on the car is only going to make it thirsty and on the street slower than you would be with a better sized carb.. the CFM rates relate to the amount the carb will flow.. there are good graphs to point you in the right direction for what suits your car, also you say you have the stock igntion.. arent you planning on changing it from stock to modified given you quest for the "best" ingntion setup? The list is a great resource, it helps lots of people, and in theory the only dumb quesiton is the one not asked, however.. the more open ended the question the more open ended the answers and thats not really gogin to help you or anyone. As a side noet you mention a 5.0 or a 302.. they are the same capactity engine ;-) -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 20 23:12:36 2010 From: Sandy Ganz To: "Would U. Believe" , Tigers Den Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 21:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger Give this a try to see where you end up... http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/CarbCFMCalc.html Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Would U. Believe To: Tigers Den Sent: Sun, June 20, 2010 5:16:40 PM Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger So, I'm wondering about carburetion. On my 260, per expert advice, I have a Holley 465 CFM carburetor installed -- sitting on an old Edelbrock F4B. The question is about my 289, which I'm in the process of installing. The engine has a mild cam, hydraulic lifters, original single point distributor, Rick's headers and exhaust. When I bought my car, the 260 had a Holley 600 CFM carb on it, which I replaced with the new 465 CFM carb. For the 289, I was wondering which would be the best choice. I'm thinking of installing either the 465, the 600, or a 715 CFM Holley. I don't know if the biggest carb would be best, or if that would simply make the car get horrible gas mileage. What do you think? What do you have on your Tiger? Thanks in advance for your advice! _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 21 08:11:48 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Would U. Believe'" , "'Tigers Den'" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 09:12:30 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger Carb choice depends on many factors; fuel pump is one. The stock fuel pump will only support an engine around 200 HP. More HP requires more fuel pump and more carb; ditto for more RPM's. All the carb charts I have seen indicate that the SBF engine needs 420 cfm @ 6500 rpm; 250 cfm @4000 rpms. The engine you built will have the best streetability with the 465 cfm carb. Carbs respond to vacuum signals; smaller carbs can have better vacuum signal and better response at low speeds. The 1.08 Autolite carb Duke mentioned would be a good choice too. My stock 260 with a 300 cfm 2bbl has out performed many 4bbl setups but much of that can be attributed to the guy and brains behind the wheel. I can also get 28 mpg in cruise mode with the 4 sp. I would suggest you install the 465 cfm or an Autolite first and judge the results. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Would U. Believe Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 8:17 PM To: Tigers Den Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger So, I'm wondering about carburetion. On my 260, per expert advice, I have a Holley 465 CFM carburetor installed -- sitting on an old Edelbrock F4B. The question is about my 289, which I'm in the process of installing. The engine has a mild cam, hydraulic lifters, original single point distributor, Rick's headers and exhaust. When I bought my car, the 260 had a Holley 600 CFM carb on it, which I replaced with the new 465 CFM carb. For the 289, I was wondering which would be the best choice. I'm thinking of installing either the 465, the 600, or a 715 CFM Holley. I don't know if the biggest carb would be best, or if that would simply make the car get horrible gas mileage. What do you think? What do you have on your Tiger? Thanks in advance for your advice! _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2946 - Release Date: 06/18/10 06:35:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 21 08:11:58 2010 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: rootes1@earthlink.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 09:13:14 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] TU XXXII PICTURES If those are crummy pictures then I'd really like to see the good ones! Fred Baum In a message dated 6/20/2010 8:39:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rootes1@earthlink.net writes: Just popped in and out. Could stay. Better than nothing, but mostly IDs and engine bays. Sorry for the crummy shots. http://www.classictiger.com/norms/tu-xxxii/index.html Norm _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fhsloth13@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 21 10:27:45 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: "'Would U. Believe'" , 'Tigers Den' Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 08:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger Very good post Ron and so right on. I wonder what U could make my mild cam 302, I think(PO installed) with a Dale A. AMC 5 speed conversion kit -TtT installed. Certainly over 30 with your brain and the egg I place between my foot and the gas pedal- don't laugh until you see how gas mileage improves or you are cleaning up the egg on your face. A late Happy Fathers Day to all my LIST friends and to the Tiger world not on the list!!! TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 21 11:11:58 2010 From: mcdangerous@verizon.net To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 11:05:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 21 12:40:00 2010 From: "wsamouce" To: , "'Tigers Den'" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 12:44:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger Ron, Are you using an Autolite 2100? What jet size in that two barrel? My 4100 has 50 for primary jets. A 320 mile trip recently yielded 16.8 MPG. Seeing how I am running on the primaries only during cruise, what is the secret for getting 28 MPG? I am running 3800 RPM at 78 MPH. I have a 3.07 final drive. I also have a vacuum advance distributor. I am looking for better mileage for my 1600 mile drive to Maine in Oct. Thanks, Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 8:13 AM To: 'Would U. Believe'; 'Tigers Den' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger Carb choice depends on many factors; fuel pump is one. The stock fuel pump will only support an engine around 200 HP. More HP requires more fuel pump and more carb; ditto for more RPM's. All the carb charts I have seen indicate that the SBF engine needs 420 cfm @ 6500 rpm; 250 cfm @4000 rpms. The engine you built will have the best streetability with the 465 cfm carb. Carbs respond to vacuum signals; smaller carbs can have better vacuum signal and better response at low speeds. The 1.08 Autolite carb Duke mentioned would be a good choice too. My stock 260 with a 300 cfm 2bbl has out performed many 4bbl setups but much of that can be attributed to the guy and brains behind the wheel. I can also get 28 mpg in cruise mode with the 4 sp. I would suggest you install the 465 cfm or an Autolite first and judge the results. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Would U. Believe Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 8:17 PM To: Tigers Den Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger So, I'm wondering about carburetion. On my 260, per expert advice, I have a Holley 465 CFM carburetor installed -- sitting on an old Edelbrock F4B. The question is about my 289, which I'm in the process of installing. The engine has a mild cam, hydraulic lifters, original single point distributor, Rick's headers and exhaust. When I bought my car, the 260 had a Holley 600 CFM carb on it, which I replaced with the new 465 CFM carb. For the 289, I was wondering which would be the best choice. I'm thinking of installing either the 465, the 600, or a 715 CFM Holley. I don't know if the biggest carb would be best, or if that would simply make the car get horrible gas mileage. What do you think? What do you have on your Tiger? Thanks in advance for your advice! _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2946 - Release Date: 06/18/10 06:35:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wsamouce@kc.rr.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 21 14:27:37 2010 From: mcdangerous@verizon.net To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:41:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger Thanks for that. I will go with the 465 Holley. It's running well-tuned on the 260, so it's a known quantity. I want to be sure to thank everybody for their help and advice. Cheers! Jun 21, 2010 08:12:43 AM, rfraser@bluefrog.com wrote: Carb choice depends on many factors; fuel pump is one. The stock fuel pump will only support an engine around 200 HP. More HP requires more fuel pump and more carb; ditto for more RPM's. All the carb charts I have seen indicate that the SBF engine needs 420 cfm @ 6500 rpm; 250 cfm @4000 rpms. The engine you built will have the best streetability with the 465 cfm carb. Carbs respond to vacuum signals; smaller carbs can have better vacuum signal and better response at low speeds. The 1.08 Autolite carb Duke mentioned would be a good choice too. My stock 260 with a 300 cfm 2bbl has out performed many 4bbl setups but much of that can be attributed to the guy and brains behind the wheel. I can also get 28 mpg in cruise mode with the 4 sp. I would suggest you install the 465 cfm or an Autolite first and judge the results. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Would U. Believe Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 8:17 PM To: Tigers Den Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger So, I'm wondering about carburetion. On my 260, per expert advice, I have a Holley 465 CFM carburetor installed -- sitting on an old Edelbrock F4B. The question is about my 289, which I'm in the process of installing. The engine has a mild cam, hydraulic lifters, original single point distributor, Rick's headers and exhaust. When I bought my car, the 260 had a Holley 600 CFM carb on it, which I replaced with the new 465 CFM carb. For the 289, I was wondering which would be the best choice. I'm thinking of installing either the 465, the 600, or a 715 CFM Holley. I don't know if the biggest carb would be best, or if that would simply make the car get horrible gas mileage. What do you think? What do you have on your Tiger? Thanks in advance for your advice! _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2946 - Release Date: 06/18/10 06:35:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 21 15:31:03 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Tom Parker'" , "'wsamouce'" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:58:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger BTW, when the Tiger ran I'd have been proud to get 18 - 20 MPG at highway speeds. I think 28 MPG is a tad high with a 4 speed, improbable even with a carbureted engine and a 5 speed, but probable with a 5 speed, fuel injection and an engine management system. I easily get 25 MPG and my friends MK II with 600 cfm, 4 bbl gets about 22 MPG. I once saw 29 MPG but only once. I'm pushing the ignition and carb tune on my 260 to the max and I hope to cross the 30 MPG mark. If I do cross 30 MPG constantly I will report back on that. Ron Fraser 260, 2 bbl, 4sp _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 21 16:27:16 2010 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:44:31 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger Another option is the Edelbrock (Carter). The way the secondaries work give a bit of latitude with a larger carburetor. I picked up an Edelbrock (cheap - of course) that is a 625 CFM. My 289 has an unknown, but more radical cam than stock. Ideally I wanted a smaller carb. However, when I looked up the primary side it was the same as a 500 CFM. So, when (if) I ever get my car going I was going to slow the opening of the secondaries and hope for the best. Theo, isn't a Canadian gallon different from a US gallon? There is a guy on my Mopar side of life who claims 28 MPG from his Chrysler 5th Ave. with Auto (no overdrive). He lives above the great lakes also. Duke, 16.8 MPG @ 78 MPH (3,800 rpm) with 3.07's doesn't sound all that bad - considering. Tom _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 21 17:16:12 2010 From: Tom Parker To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:04:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger Ron, I'm certainly not doubting you, and you've given me something to shoot for. Thanks! Tom On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > > > BTW, when the Tiger ran I'd have been proud to get 18 - 20 MPG at highway > speeds. I think 28 MPG is a tad high with a 4 speed, improbable even with a > carbureted engine and a 5 speed, but probable with a 5 speed, fuel injection > and an engine management system. > > > > I easily get 25 MPG and my friends MK II with 600 cfm, 4 bbl gets about 22 > MPG. I once saw 29 MPG but only once. I'm pushing the ignition and carb > tune on my 260 to the max and I hope to cross the 30 MPG mark. If I do > cross 30 MPG constantly I will report back on that. > > Ron Fraser > > 260, 2 bbl, 4sp _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 21 18:10:17 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Thomas Witt , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 17:33:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger Back when we measured in gallons (Canada went metric in '76), Canada used Imperial gallons, so that would be 4.54 litres where a US gallon is 3.78. The Tiger's fuel tank capacity (as displayed on the gauge) is measured in UK gallons too, as far as I know. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt > Sent: June 21, 2010 2:45 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger > > Another option is the Edelbrock (Carter). The way the secondaries work > give > a bit of latitude with a larger carburetor. I picked up an Edelbrock > (cheap - of course) that is a 625 CFM. My 289 has an unknown, but more > radical cam than stock. Ideally I wanted a smaller carb. However, when > I > looked up the primary side it was the same as a 500 CFM. So, when (if) > I > ever get my car going I was going to slow the opening of the > secondaries and > hope for the best. > > Theo, isn't a Canadian gallon different from a US gallon? There is a > guy on > my Mopar side of life who claims 28 MPG from his Chrysler 5th Ave. with > Auto > (no overdrive). He lives above the great lakes also. > > Duke, 16.8 MPG @ 78 MPH (3,800 rpm) with 3.07's doesn't sound all that > bad - > considering. > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 21 18:55:29 2010 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: atwittsend@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:18:38 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger US gallon= 128oz. Canadian Imperial Gallon 135.26 oz. In a message dated 6/21/2010 6:28:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, atwittsend@verizon.net writes: Another option is the Edelbrock (Carter). The way the secondaries work give a bit of latitude with a larger carburetor. I picked up an Edelbrock (cheap - of course) that is a 625 CFM. My 289 has an unknown, but more radical cam than stock. Ideally I wanted a smaller carb. However, when I looked up the primary side it was the same as a 500 CFM. So, when (if) I ever get my car going I was going to slow the opening of the secondaries and hope for the best. Theo, isn't a Canadian gallon different from a US gallon? There is a guy on my Mopar side of life who claims 28 MPG from his Chrysler 5th Ave. with Auto (no overdrive). He lives above the great lakes also. Duke, 16.8 MPG @ 78 MPH (3,800 rpm) with 3.07's doesn't sound all that bad - considering. Tom _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 21 18:56:28 2010 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tkparker1941@gmail.com, rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:21:21 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger Hey, how fast do you guys drive:-) Someone wrote and talked about 3,800 rpm at 78 mph. Do you really have place where you can cruise at 78? If so, I can see why the mileage suffers. Mark In a message dated 6/21/2010 7:17:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tkparker1941@gmail.com writes: Ron, I'm certainly not doubting you, and you've given me something to shoot for. Thanks! Tom On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > > > BTW, when the Tiger ran I'd have been proud to get 18 - 20 MPG at highway > speeds. I think 28 MPG is a tad high with a 4 speed, improbable even with a > carbureted engine and a 5 speed, but probable with a 5 speed, fuel injection > and an engine management system. > > > > I easily get 25 MPG and my friends MK II with 600 cfm, 4 bbl gets about 22 > MPG. I once saw 29 MPG but only once. I'm pushing the ignition and carb > tune on my 260 to the max and I hope to cross the 30 MPG mark. If I do > cross 30 MPG constantly I will report back on that. > > Ron Fraser > > 260, 2 bbl, 4sp _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 21 18:59:31 2010 From: David Sosna To: Herbert Miller , healeys@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:45:09 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger Duke: Hardtop. Best Regards and have a great drive in Oct! David Sosna wsamouce wrote: > Ron, > > Are you using an Autolite 2100? What jet size in that two barrel? > > My 4100 has 50 for primary jets. A 320 mile trip recently yielded 16.8 MPG. > Seeing how I am running on the primaries only during cruise, what is the > secret for getting 28 MPG? I am running 3800 RPM at 78 MPH. I have a 3.07 > final drive. I also have a vacuum advance distributor. > > I am looking for better mileage for my 1600 mile drive to Maine in Oct. > > Thanks, > Duke > B382002037 > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5216 (20100621) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 21 18:59:42 2010 From: "Buck Trippel" To: , "'Tom Parker'" , Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:51:05 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger Last summer we drove one of our Tigers over 3500 miles in ten days to & from SUNI. It was equipped with a H-Po 289 & a Holley 600 cfm Vac secondary carb with a T-5. To the seat of the pants, the felt great even at nearly 11,000' elevation over the Bear Tooth Highway in Montana. Door to door we averaged almost 24 MPG. We never changed jets but twice adjusted the idle screws on the primaries (about 1/12th a turn each time.) However we also borrowed a neat device from our racecar - an Innovate LM-1. The LM-1 reads fuel ratios and is accurate to a tenth. We took notes of manifold vacuum, fuel ratio, speed and elevation the entire trip. Since I was a teenager, I've "known" that a properly adjusted 1850 runs fine with a 289. However I live on the edge of the Pacific Ocean, literally at sea level. What I discovered last summer is that there is not enough signal for this carburetor once the vehicle has climbed above 4 to 5,000' elevation. The carb works but the precision disappears. At the higher elevations the carb was always too rich or too lean. It was never "just right". Then on the way home, as we decended from Park City to Provo, the precision came back to life. Last summer I learned that the Holley engineers knew much more than I'd given them credit for. (I owe them an apology.) One caveat. Many of the smaller (Holley) carbs do not have a port for a PCV. You can run a plate under the carb but some Tigers then have air cleaner issues. Many years ago Steve Laithman combined the top of his 450 with the base plate of a 600 which had the PCV port. I like to run the PCV valve because it keeps the engine compartment cleaner. Right now we're experimenting/dialing in a 390 CFM Holley as a replacement for the 600CFM. It's looking encouraging. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Tom Parker'" ; "'wsamouce'" Cc: "'Tigers Den'" Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger > BTW, when the Tiger ran I'd have been proud to get 18 - 20 MPG at highway > speeds. I think 28 MPG is a tad high with a 4 speed, improbable even with > a > carbureted engine and a 5 speed, but probable with a 5 speed, fuel > injection > and an engine management system. > > > > > > I easily get 25 MPG and my friends MK II with 600 cfm, 4 bbl gets about 22 > MPG. I once saw 29 MPG but only once. I'm pushing the ignition and > carb > tune on my 260 to the max and I hope to cross the 30 MPG mark. If I do > cross 30 MPG constantly I will report back on that. > > Ron Fraser > > 260, 2 bbl, 4sp _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 21 19:00:16 2010 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 20:03:30 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] fuel milage If fuel milage is an issue I would think that the oem 2.88 rear would be in order, keep the RPM's low, that's what all the new cars do, but they do have up to 8 speed transmissions and tall rear gears, many new cars are under 2K rpm at 70 plus MPH, remember in the 60's with 28 cent high test gas milage was not an issue, Clyde -- just a note _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 21 19:55:52 2010 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: Theo.Smit@dynastream.com, atwittsend@verizon.net, Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 20:25:30 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger Theo, I guess I remember the Imperial gallon. I thought an Imperial Gallon was 4 liters. No? Mark In a message dated 6/21/2010 8:10:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Theo.Smit@dynastream.com writes: Back when we measured in gallons (Canada went metric in '76), Canada used Imperial gallons, so that would be 4.54 litres where a US gallon is 3.78. The Tiger's fuel tank capacity (as displayed on the gauge) is measured in UK gallons too, as far as I know. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt > Sent: June 21, 2010 2:45 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger > > Another option is the Edelbrock (Carter). The way the secondaries work > give > a bit of latitude with a larger carburetor. I picked up an Edelbrock > (cheap - of course) that is a 625 CFM. My 289 has an unknown, but more > radical cam than stock. Ideally I wanted a smaller carb. However, when > I > looked up the primary side it was the same as a 500 CFM. So, when (if) > I > ever get my car going I was going to slow the opening of the > secondaries and > hope for the best. > > Theo, isn't a Canadian gallon different from a US gallon? There is a > guy on > my Mopar side of life who claims 28 MPG from his Chrysler 5th Ave. with > Auto > (no overdrive). He lives above the great lakes also. > > Duke, 16.8 MPG @ 78 MPH (3,800 rpm) with 3.07's doesn't sound all that > bad - > considering. > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 21 20:40:53 2010 From: "Would U. Believe" To: Buck Trippel , , 'Tom Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:09:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger Hi. I use a Boss 302 spacer under my 1848. It's very thin and has a port for the PCV valve. Can you run a Tiger with no spacer? I thought the high heat would certainly cause the carb to boil. On 6/21/10 7:51 PM, "Buck Trippel" wrote: > Last summer we drove one of our Tigers over 3500 miles in ten days to & from > SUNI. > > It was equipped with a H-Po 289 & a Holley 600 cfm Vac secondary carb with a > T-5. > > To the seat of the pants, the felt great even at nearly 11,000' elevation > over the Bear Tooth Highway in Montana. Door to door we averaged almost 24 > MPG. We never changed jets but twice adjusted the idle screws on the > primaries (about 1/12th a turn each time.) > > However we also borrowed a neat device from our racecar - an Innovate LM-1. > The LM-1 reads fuel ratios and is accurate to a tenth. We took notes of > manifold vacuum, fuel ratio, speed and elevation the entire trip. > > Since I was a teenager, I've "known" that a properly adjusted 1850 runs fine > with a 289. However I live on the edge of the Pacific Ocean, literally at > sea level. What I discovered last summer is that there is not enough signal > for this carburetor once the vehicle has climbed above 4 to 5,000' > elevation. The carb works but the precision disappears. At the higher > elevations the carb was always too rich or too lean. It was never "just > right". Then on the way home, as we decended from Park City to Provo, the > precision came back to life. Last summer I learned that the Holley engineers > knew much more than I'd given them credit for. (I owe them an apology.) > > One caveat. Many of the smaller (Holley) carbs do not have a port for a PCV. > You can run a plate under the carb but some Tigers then have air cleaner > issues. Many years ago Steve Laithman combined the top of his 450 with the > base plate of a 600 which had the PCV port. I like to run the PCV valve > because it keeps the engine compartment cleaner. > > Right now we're experimenting/dialing in a 390 CFM Holley as a replacement > for the 600CFM. It's looking encouraging. > > Buck Trippel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " Ron Fraser" > To: "'Tom Parker'" ; "'wsamouce'" > > Cc: "'Tigers Den'" > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 12:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger > > >> BTW, when the Tiger ran I'd have been proud to get 18 - 20 MPG at highway >> speeds. I think 28 MPG is a tad high with a 4 speed, improbable even with >> a >> carbureted engine and a 5 speed, but probable with a 5 speed, fuel >> injection >> and an engine management system. >> >> >> >> >> >> I easily get 25 MPG and my friends MK II with 600 cfm, 4 bbl gets about 22 >> MPG. I once saw 29 MPG but only once. I'm pushing the ignition and >> carb >> tune on my 260 to the max and I hope to cross the 30 MPG mark. If I do >> cross 30 MPG constantly I will report back on that. >> >> Ron Fraser >> >> 260, 2 bbl, 4sp > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 21 20:43:53 2010 From: Tom Parker To: Clyde McLaughlin Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:26:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel milage I'm shooting for @24 inch diameter tires and the 2.88 differential. That should keep the revs down. With the wide ration Toploader the car should still have reasonable acceleration. Tom ' 67 Mark 2 On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Clyde McLaughlin < clydemclaughlin@verizon.net> wrote: > If fuel milage is an issue I would think that the oem 2.88 rear would be in > order, keep the RPM's low, that's what all the new cars do, but they do > have up to 8 speed transmissions and tall rear gears, many new cars are > under > 2K rpm at 70 plus MPH, remember in the 60's with 28 cent high test gas > milage > was not an issue, Clyde -- just a note > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 21 20:45:03 2010 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:54:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor It's a long story, but I have been running a Holley 1850 on my tweaked 260 and have been thinking of changing it since the prevailing opinion is that it is too much carb for the 260. One of the other carbs I have seen that seems like it might work is the Edelbrock 1403/1404 which is rated at 500 cfm. Anybody have any experience or thoughts on this? Tod B3820022384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 21 21:28:07 2010 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:07:43 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Rootes United 2010 As most of you know, we have been working diligently to organize TE/AE's annual United to be held on Oct 7-10 in and around Rockland, Maine. If you haven't looked at the information, you can find it at http://www.teae.org or http://www.RootesAmerica.org. The registration forms are now online and you can pay by credit card or PayPal. Rooms at the Samoset resort http://www.samosetresort.com/ are filling up fast. Just make sure that you mention te/ae when registering to get the preferred rate. Hope to see you all there! Contact me for more info if needed. Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 06:06:11 2010 From: Larry Paulick To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 07:48:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor There are several ways to match the carb to the engine. Size, cam, intended use, intake and wallet. I have a 1990 5.0L with roller cam (stock) and added roller rockers (which add some lift). I believe the best way is to call the manufacturer, in my case Holley, and ask for a match, based on the above, and then, and most important to really make the carb work, find someone who knows what they are doing and have the car dyno tuned. You need to change jets, timing, spark gap to your car, or you are not realizing the true potential of the engine. Just using a formula and installing the carb is not the answer. I am using the above engine, an F4B, and a Holley Double Pumper 650 cfm. It is smooth over the entire range, and only stumbles at 1000 rpm or less when I mash the throttle, as the double pumpers adds the the secondary gas as opposed to the vac secondary carb. So is this carb, ie the 650 too big, absolutely not. Larry On 6/21/10 9:54 PM, Tod Brown wrote: > It's a long story, but I have been running a Holley 1850 on my tweaked > 260 and have been thinking of changing it since the prevailing opinion > is that it is too much carb for the 260. One of the other carbs I have > seen that seems like it might work is the Edelbrock 1403/1404 which is > rated at 500 cfm. Anybody have any experience or thoughts on this? > > Tod > B3820022384LRXFE > _________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 07:20:56 2010 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: todbrown@roadrunner.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:54:17 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor I have a 1404 on my stock 260. I put it on 18 years ago and have not touched it since. I get about 20 MPG on the highway at 70 MPH all day long. 2.88 rear gears, standard 4-speed. Fred Baum In a message dated 6/21/2010 10:46:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, todbrown@roadrunner.com writes: It's a long story, but I have been running a Holley 1850 on my tweaked 260 and have been thinking of changing it since the prevailing opinion is that it is too much carb for the 260. One of the other carbs I have seen that seems like it might work is the Edelbrock 1403/1404 which is rated at 500 cfm. Anybody have any experience or thoughts on this? Tod B3820022384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fhsloth13@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 08:09:46 2010 From: Howard gentry To: CoolVT@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 06:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger Hi, WOW Any milage @3800 with a Tiger sounds like a dream...I have never heard of an Alpine getting that kind of milage..Who builds your motors..The Big Two need his expertise..;-) zym The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Mon, 6/21/10, CoolVT@aol.com wrote: From: CoolVT@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger To: tkparker1941@gmail.com, rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 7:21 PM Hey, how fast do you guys drive:-) Someone wrote and talked about 3,800 rpm at 78 mph. Do you really have place where you can cruise at 78? If so, I can see why the mileage suffers. Mark In a message dated 6/21/2010 7:17:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tkparker1941@gmail.com writes: Ron, I'm certainly not doubting you, and you've given me something to shoot for. Thanks! Tom On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > > > BTW, when the Tiger ran I'd have been proud to get 18 - 20 MPG at highway > speeds. I think 28 MPG is a tad high with a 4 speed, improbable even with a > carbureted engine and a 5 speed, but probable with a 5 speed, fuel injection > and an engine management system. > > > > I easily get 25 MPG and my friends MK II with 600 cfm, 4 bbl gets about 22 > MPG. I once saw 29 MPG but only once. I'm pushing the ignition and carb > tune on my 260 to the max and I hope to cross the 30 MPG mark. If I do > cross 30 MPG constantly I will report back on that. > > Ron Fraser > > 260, 2 bbl, 4sp _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/zymmer4@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 08:10:09 2010 From: Howard gentry To: Tod Brown , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 06:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor Hi, I ran a 500CFM on my hy-po 289 in Colorado@5200 ft. elevation..It worked like a finely mapped fuel injection system..Instant throttle response, great milage(20) and just was a treat. zym The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Mon, 6/21/10, Tod Brown wrote: From: Tod Brown Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 9:54 PM It's a long story, but I have been running a Holley 1850 on my tweaked 260 and have been thinking of changing it since the prevailing opinion is that it is too much carb for the 260. One of the other carbs I have seen that seems like it might work is the Edelbrock 1403/1404 which is rated at 500 cfm. Anybody have any experience or thoughts on this? Tod B3820022384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/zymmer4@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 08:25:51 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , , Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:56:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger I found these number for Imperial gal. Imperial gal = 1.2 US gal Imperial gal = 10 lbs. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:19 PM To: atwittsend@verizon.net; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger US gallon= 128oz. Canadian Imperial Gallon 135.26 oz. In a message dated 6/21/2010 6:28:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, atwittsend@verizon.net writes: Another option is the Edelbrock (Carter). The way the secondaries work give a bit of latitude with a larger carburetor. I picked up an Edelbrock (cheap - of course) that is a 625 CFM. My 289 has an unknown, but more radical cam than stock. Ideally I wanted a smaller carb. However, when I looked up the primary side it was the same as a 500 CFM. So, when (if) I ever get my car going I was going to slow the opening of the secondaries and hope for the best. Theo, isn't a Canadian gallon different from a US gallon? There is a guy on my Mopar side of life who claims 28 MPG from his Chrysler 5th Ave. with Auto (no overdrive). He lives above the great lakes also. Duke, 16.8 MPG @ 78 MPH (3,800 rpm) with 3.07's doesn't sound all that bad - considering. Tom _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. 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Just as a reference point, the last time I checked the mileage, I got 26 MPG with; * 302 CID Ford crate motor with 10/1 Compression * Holley 600 CFM Carburetor with #65 Jets and no special economy tuning * Vacuum Advance * 5 Speed with .6 Overdrive and 2.88 Rear Gears * Loaded with two adults and as much luggage as the car will hold * Mostly interstate highway * 70/75 MPH with Cruise control * Top up I'm sure I could improve the mileage with a smaller carburetor. John Logan _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 08:52:59 2010 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:35:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor - Edelbrock I too have a shelf full of Holleys and that's where they will stay. I have been an avid user of the Edelbrock Performer series carbs for many years, I have built five SFB engines of varying displacements and have used either the 500 CFM (1404) on the stock sized engines or the 600 cfm (1406) series on the strokers without issue. The ability to change jets in a few minutes is great, the floats stay adjusted, and the split line is above the gas level so they don't leak. The carbs use a two position needle jet that adjusts the mixture depending on vacuum level so I can jet them lean for highway and nice and fat when I punch the loud pedal. They resist boil-over, and they seem impervious to the swill we call premium gas around here. If you buy one, be sure to spend the extra $40 and get the jet/needle tuning kit. Bugz _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 08:53:14 2010 From: Allan Ballard To: Howard gentry Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:37:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger > have never heard of an Alpine getting that kind of milage Alpines with Overdrive and a Weber routinely get 30's MPG at highway speeds. My stock 2bbl Mk1a Tiger -- according to it's log book - got 32.9 mpg at odometer 091 miles ranging up to mid 30's over the initial years with additional entries entries in the teens. I have only driven the car a half mile or so prior to repairs made necessary by 28 years of storage, so I have no idea how the mileage will be now. On Jun 22, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Howard gentry wrote: > Hi, > WOW Any milage @3800 with a Tiger sounds like a dream...I have never > heard of an Alpine getting that kind of milage..Who builds your motors..The > Big Two need his expertise..;-) > zym > > > The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. > > --- On Mon, 6/21/10, CoolVT@aol.com wrote: > > > From: CoolVT@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger > To: tkparker1941@gmail.com, rfraser@bluefrog.com > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 7:21 PM > > > Hey, how fast do you guys drive:-) Someone wrote and talked about 3,800 > rpm at 78 mph. Do you really have place where you can cruise at 78? If > so, I can see why the mileage suffers. > Mark > > > In a message dated 6/21/2010 7:17:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > tkparker1941@gmail.com writes: > > Ron, > > I'm certainly not doubting you, and you've given me something to shoot for. > Thanks! > > Tom > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > >> >> >> BTW, when the Tiger ran I'd have been proud to get 18 - 20 MPG at highway >> speeds. I think 28 MPG is a tad high with a 4 speed, improbable even > with a >> carbureted engine and a 5 speed, but probable with a 5 speed, fuel > injection >> and an engine management system. >> >> >> >> I easily get 25 MPG and my friends MK II with 600 cfm, 4 bbl gets about > 22 >> MPG. I once saw 29 MPG but only once. I'm pushing the ignition and > carb >> tune on my 260 to the max and I hope to cross the 30 MPG mark. If I do >> cross 30 MPG constantly I will report back on that. >> >> Ron Fraser >> >> 260, 2 bbl, 4sp > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/zymmer4@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard@att.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 09:06:42 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: todbrown@roadrunner.com, tigers@autox.team.net, FHSLOTH13@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 07:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] thermostat reccomendations My Tiger runs cooler than anyone would believe- even me and Ive checked it with a thermal unit and the gauge is almost exact when I compare the two readings. Last Turkey day weekend I drove to WVa to be with family and on my night time return drive , I almost froze until I put cardboard in front of the radiator- I then received better heat-- what degree should I be running. It is hotter than hadies here right now but gets pretty cold in winter. THANKS in advance.The engine has a quater race cam according to the PO and Im not sure if it is a 289 or 302- headers, after market fan and good heater core and it's fan blows average- which isn't saying a lot. TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fhsloth13@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 09:50:54 2010 From: Tom Parker To: Tony Somebody Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:23:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] thermostat reccomendations Tony, >From your description it's acting like the thermostat never closes or may have been gutted. Rick at SS shows a 160 degree thermostat for summer. 180 for winter for the Alpine, I would think that would apply to the Tiger as well. Stock Ford, of course. I'm using a 160 degree thermostat in my ' 67. Tom ' 67 Mark 2 On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Tony Somebody wrote: > My Tiger runs cooler than anyone would believe- even me and Ive checked it > with a thermal unit and the gauge is almost exact when I compare the two > readings. Last Turkey day weekend I drove to WVa to be with family and on > my > night time return drive , I almost froze until I put cardboard in front of > the > radiator- I then received better heat-- what degree should I be running. It > is > hotter than hadies here right now but gets pretty cold in winter. > THANKS in advance.The engine has a quater race cam according to the PO and > Im > not sure if it is a 289 or 302- headers, after market fan and good heater > core > and it's fan blows average- which isn't saying a lot. > TonytheTiger > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fhsloth13@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 10:07:15 2010 From: "Buck Trippel" To: "Howard gentry" , "Tod Brown" Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:40:08 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor It's probably a good time to remember that the CFM ratings on two barrels are measured using different criteria than used for quads. A 500 CFM two barrel does not flow as much as a 500 CFM 4-barrel. The 500 CFM two barrel would flow about the same as a 360 CFM four barrel. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard gentry" To: "Tod Brown" ; Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor > Hi, > I ran a 500CFM on my hy-po 289 in Colorado@5200 ft. elevation..It > worked > like a finely mapped fuel injection system..Instant throttle response, > great > milage(20) and just was a treat. > zym > > The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. > > --- On Mon, 6/21/10, Tod Brown wrote: > > > From: Tod Brown > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 9:54 PM > > > It's a long story, but I have been running a Holley 1850 on my tweaked > 260 and have been thinking of changing it since the prevailing opinion > is that it is too much carb for the 260. One of the other carbs I have > seen that seems like it might work is the Edelbrock 1403/1404 which is > rated at 500 cfm. Anybody have any experience or thoughts on this? > > Tod > B3820022384LRXFE > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 10:37:49 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Tom Parker , Tony Somebody Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:20:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] thermostat reccomendations Late last summer, I put a flow restrictor in the water pump bypass hose bung on the thermostat housing (the water pump bypass hose is the little 90 degree hose between the thermostat housing and the water pump). In order to make sure that I didn't inadvertently restrict the water pump flow too much if I were to close the heater valve when the engine was cold, I drilled a couple more bypass holes in the thermostat, to add to the one 1/8" hole I had previously put in there. It turns out that the 1/8" hole, combined with the three 5/32" holes I added, are too much. The engine does not warm up (i.e. hit the thermostat's temperature) unless I'm really running the car hard, or unless the outside temperature is above about 65 F and I'm moving under 30 MPH for some time. This causes issues with my fuel injection system because it goes into a warm-up enrichment mode when the coolant temperature is low. I bought a new thermostat to put less holes in, but I haven't got around to installing it yet - Tiger season is late this year. Tony, Ford smallblocks are optimally run at about 190 degrees or even higher, to minimize wear in the cylinder bores. If you have iron heads, then any temperature over 180 that doesn't actually boil the coolant and cause it to puke, is acceptable... Theo > On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Tony Somebody > wrote: > > > My Tiger runs cooler than anyone would believe- even me and Ive > checked it ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 10:51:36 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Tom Parker'" , "'Tony Somebody'" Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:24:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] thermostat reccomendations Ford small block engines are designed to have the least amount of internal wear at 180 degrees. Oils, ATF, power steering fluid and basically all engine fluids are designed to run best around 200 degrees. Higher temperatures degrade the fluids at an exponential rate. I have a 180 degree thermostat and the engine runs at 180 degrees. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Parker Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:24 AM To: Tony Somebody Cc: FHSLOTH13@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net; todbrown@roadrunner.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] thermostat reccomendations Tony, >From your description it's acting like the thermostat never closes or >may have been gutted. Rick at SS shows a 160 degree thermostat for summer. 180 for winter for the Alpine, I would think that would apply to the Tiger as well. Stock Ford, of course. I'm using a 160 degree thermostat in my ' 67. Tom ' 67 Mark 2 On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Tony Somebody wrote: > My Tiger runs cooler than anyone would believe- even me and Ive > checked it with a thermal unit and the gauge is almost exact when I > compare the two readings. Last Turkey day weekend I drove to WVa to be > with family and on my night time return drive , I almost froze until I > put cardboard in front of the > radiator- I then received better heat-- what degree should I be running. It > is > hotter than hadies here right now but gets pretty cold in winter. > THANKS in advance.The engine has a quater race cam according to the PO and > Im > not sure if it is a 289 or 302- headers, after market fan and good heater > core > and it's fan blows average- which isn't saying a lot. > TonytheTiger > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fhsloth13@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2953 - Release Date: 06/22/10 06:36:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 10:55:11 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Buck Trippel'" , Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:33:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor Buck Excellent point. I have found very little information about this and would like to see more literature about this subject. Anyone know a good online source that compares 2 bbl vs 4 bbl, cfm procedures and the differences? Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Buck Trippel Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:40 AM To: Howard gentry; Tod Brown; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor It's probably a good time to remember that the CFM ratings on two barrels are measured using different criteria than used for quads. A 500 CFM two barrel does not flow as much as a 500 CFM 4-barrel. The 500 CFM two barrel would flow about the same as a 360 CFM four barrel. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard gentry" To: "Tod Brown" ; Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor > Hi, > I ran a 500CFM on my hy-po 289 in Colorado@5200 ft. elevation..It > worked > like a finely mapped fuel injection system..Instant throttle response, > great > milage(20) and just was a treat. > zym > > The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. > > --- On Mon, 6/21/10, Tod Brown wrote: > > > From: Tod Brown > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 9:54 PM > > > It's a long story, but I have been running a Holley 1850 on my tweaked > 260 and have been thinking of changing it since the prevailing opinion > is that it is too much carb for the 260. One of the other carbs I > have seen that seems like it might work is the Edelbrock 1403/1404 > which is rated at 500 cfm. Anybody have any experience or thoughts on > this? > > Tod > B3820022384LRXFE _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2953 - Release Date: 06/22/10 06:36:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 11:21:57 2010 From: "Greg Koss" To: Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:59:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor Buck, I guess I'll have to the "Doubting Thomas" on this one. Do you have reference material for this comment? >>> "Buck Trippel" 6/22/2010 11:40 AM >>> It's probably a good time to remember that the CFM ratings on two barrels are measured using different criteria than used for quads. A 500 CFM two barrel does not flow as much as a 500 CFM 4-barrel. The 500 CFM two barrel would flow about the same as a 360 CFM four barrel. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard gentry" To: "Tod Brown" ; Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor > Hi, > I ran a 500CFM on my hy-po 289 in Colorado@5200 ft. elevation..It > worked > like a finely mapped fuel injection system..Instant throttle response, > great > milage(20) and just was a treat. > zym > > The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. > > --- On Mon, 6/21/10, Tod Brown wrote: > > > From: Tod Brown > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 9:54 PM > > > It's a long story, but I have been running a Holley 1850 on my tweaked > 260 and have been thinking of changing it since the prevailing opinion > is that it is too much carb for the 260. One of the other carbs I have > seen that seems like it might work is the Edelbrock 1403/1404 which is > rated at 500 cfm. Anybody have any experience or thoughts on this? > > Tod > B3820022384LRXFE > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/greg.koss@trw.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 11:22:15 2010 From: "Lynn Wall" To: Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:03:51 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] TU update I haven't seen the results posted yet so I thought I would give you the highlights, as I remember them. I had a twelve hour drive so forgive me if I get some wrong. Others can fill in the gaps. Lord Rootes - Dale A and his gorgeous black tiger Personal Favorite - Ross Handy and his gorgeous black car Wally Schoenfield (nicest stock Tiger) - Jeff Kane Thanks to all that organized the event. It was a blast as always. Lynn _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 11:36:54 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "rfraser@bluefrog.com" , 'Buck Trippel' Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:17:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor Hi Ron, http://www.candsspecialties.com/ratings.html This might be a good start. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser > Sent: June 22, 2010 10:34 AM > To: 'Buck Trippel'; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor > > Buck > Excellent point. I have found very little information about this > and would like to see more literature about this subject. Anyone know > a > good online source that compares 2 bbl vs 4 bbl, cfm procedures and the > differences? > > Ron Fraser > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 11:54:35 2010 From: cjcoffel@sonic.net To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers United XXXII Pictures A great time was had by all. I would say overall the most enjoyable event I've ever been to. Congratulations to everyone involved. Chris Coffel I took a few pictures. The best way to view is with the slideshow on the top right. You can also download the full size image by clicking on the top left of the image or purchase prints by clicking on the top right. Some great images. Tonight I will upload images of Jim Adams sitting in the Hollywood car! http://uberpilot.zenfolio.com/p373790708 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 12:12:00 2010 From: cjcoffel@sonic.net To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] [Fwd: Re: Tigers United XXXII Pictures] ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers United XXXII Pictures From: cjcoffel@sonic.net Date: Tue, June 22, 2010 10:29 To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: "'Buck Trippel'" tigers@autox.team.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------- A great time was had by all. I would say overall the most enjoyable event I've ever been to. Congratulations to everyone involved. Chris Coffel I took a few pictures. The best way to view is with the slideshow on the top right. You can also download the full size image by clicking on the top left of the image or purchase prints by clicking on the top right. Some great images. Tonight I will upload images of Jim Adams sitting in the Hollywood car! http://uberpilot.zenfolio.com/p373790708 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 12:12:18 2010 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:52:30 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor Buck is correct. For now obscure reason establish a million years ago by the SAE, the flow rate through a 2BBL carburetor is measured at 3.0 in./Hg. pressure drop and the 4BBL carbs are measured at 1.5 in./Hg. pressure drop. So, a 500 CFM 2BBL compares to a 350 CFM 4BBL in flow. A quick approximation is to take the rated CFM of a 2BBL and divide by the square root of 2 (1.41421) to get the equivalent rating if it was a 4BBL. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: Greg Koss Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 1:00 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor Buck, I guess I'll have to the "Doubting Thomas" on this one. Do you have reference material for this comment? >>> "Buck Trippel" 6/22/2010 11:40 AM >>> It's probably a good time to remember that the CFM ratings on two barrels are measured using different criteria than used for quads. A 500 CFM two barrel does not flow as much as a 500 CFM 4-barrel. The 500 CFM two barrel would flow about the same as a 360 CFM four barrel. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard gentry" To: "Tod Brown" ; Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor > Hi, > I ran a 500CFM on my hy-po 289 in Colorado@5200 ft. elevation..It > worked like a finely mapped fuel injection system..Instant throttle > response, great > milage(20) and just was a treat. > zym > > The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. > > --- On Mon, 6/21/10, Tod Brown wrote: > > > From: Tod Brown > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 9:54 PM > > > It's a long story, but I have been running a Holley 1850 on my tweaked > 260 and have been thinking of changing it since the prevailing opinion > is that it is too much carb for the 260. One of the other carbs I > have seen that seems like it might work is the Edelbrock 1403/1404 > which is rated at 500 cfm. Anybody have any experience or thoughts on this? > > Tod > B3820022384LRXFE > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/greg.koss@trw.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mark.rense@ge.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 12:31:43 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Smit, Theo'" , "'Buck Trippel'" Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:04:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor Theo Yes, that is a good start and I also like the carb parts section. Thank you Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Smit, Theo [mailto:Theo.Smit@dynastream.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 1:17 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; 'Buck Trippel'; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Best Carburetor Hi Ron, http://www.candsspecialties.com/ratings.html This might be a good start. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser > Sent: June 22, 2010 10:34 AM > To: 'Buck Trippel'; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor > > Buck > Excellent point. I have found very little information about this > and would like to see more literature about this subject. Anyone know > a > good online source that compares 2 bbl vs 4 bbl, cfm procedures and > the differences? > > Ron Fraser > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2953 - Release Date: 06/22/10 06:36:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 12:53:06 2010 From: "cullen mccann" To: , Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:27:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers United XXXII Pictures ok.....that is really cool. Chris - I guess you were using a highspeed shutter or something right? if you go to an image such as "409" and literally click the next slide arrow forward as fast as you can...it makes a little movie and shows that black car spinning out in the weeds...and the guy with the flag runs out of the way...the dust clears and settles and everything....way too cool...its like im there! Im sure you need high speed internet...but you guys should try this.... nice photos....incredibly nice...... and interactive too! Cullen -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of cjcoffel@sonic.net Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:29 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: 'Buck Trippel'; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers United XXXII Pictures A great time was had by all. I would say overall the most enjoyable event I've ever been to. Congratulations to everyone involved. Chris Coffel I took a few pictures. The best way to view is with the slideshow on the top right. You can also download the full size image by clicking on the top left of the image or purchase prints by clicking on the top right. Some great images. Tonight I will upload images of Jim Adams sitting in the Hollywood car! http://uberpilot.zenfolio.com/p373790708 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/clarkwgriswold2nd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 13:09:37 2010 From: Jim Sencindiver To: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:17:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor Just out of curiosity, what was our stock/standard Autolite 2-bbl carb rated for? -- Jim Sencindiver B382100451/TAC 448 http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) < mark.rense@ge.com> wrote: > Buck is correct. For now obscure reason establish a million years ago by > the SAE, the flow rate through a 2BBL carburetor is measured at 3.0 > in./Hg. pressure drop and the 4BBL carbs are measured at 1.5 in./Hg. > pressure drop. So, a 500 CFM 2BBL compares to a 350 CFM 4BBL in flow. A > quick approximation is to take the rated CFM of a 2BBL and divide by the > square root of 2 (1.41421) to get the equivalent rating if it was a > 4BBL. > > Bugz _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 13:23:34 2010 From: "Buck Trippel" To: "Greg Koss" , Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:01:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor In addition to the source previously posted, you can look at http://www.thecarburetorshop.com/Carbshop_carbsizesandCFM.htm Now what really gets nuts is the difference in numbers you get when guys start flowing carbs "wet" or "dry". The devil is certainly in the details when you start looking at CFM. Buck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Koss" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor > Buck, I guess I'll have to the "Doubting Thomas" on this one. Do you have > reference material for this comment? > >>>> "Buck Trippel" 6/22/2010 11:40 AM >>> > It's probably a good time to remember that the CFM ratings on two barrels > are measured using different criteria than used for quads. > > A 500 CFM two barrel does not flow as much as a 500 CFM 4-barrel. The 500 > CFM two barrel would flow about the same as a 360 CFM four barrel. > > Buck Trippel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Howard gentry" > To: "Tod Brown" ; > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:51 AM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor > > >> Hi, >> I ran a 500CFM on my hy-po 289 in Colorado@5200 ft. elevation..It >> worked >> like a finely mapped fuel injection system..Instant throttle response, >> great >> milage(20) and just was a treat. >> zym >> >> The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. >> >> --- On Mon, 6/21/10, Tod Brown wrote: >> >> >> From: Tod Brown >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor >> To: tigers@autox.team.net >> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 9:54 PM >> >> >> It's a long story, but I have been running a Holley 1850 on my tweaked >> 260 and have been thinking of changing it since the prevailing opinion >> is that it is too much carb for the 260. One of the other carbs I have >> seen that seems like it might work is the Edelbrock 1403/1404 which is >> rated at 500 cfm. Anybody have any experience or thoughts on this? >> >> Tod >> B3820022384LRXFE >> _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/greg.koss@trw.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 13:23:43 2010 From: "Kirk Smith" To: Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:09:43 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carb I'm running a Carter AFB 625 on a Greenberg 302 with Performer RPM, factory dual point, pertronix coil, headers, heads and valves good for about 6200 rpm. With the stepped needles the 625 is great on this motor. Took many combinations from the jet kit to get it just right, however. Kirk _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 13:36:32 2010 From: Jeffrey Nichols To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Too Much Carbs? I have a stock 260 and installed a Edelbrock Performer 289 "low rise" manifold and Edelbrock 600cfm carb with no driving problems 13 years ago. Some have told me that 600cfm is too much flow capacity for the engine but the car drives fine with the larger carb. One problem I had was heat soak and a 1 inch plastic spacer corrected that issue. Jeff _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 13:51:48 2010 From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: "Jim Sencindiver" Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:31:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor Found this on a Mustang blog site. I believe the 260 ran a 1.01 venturi, that makes it a whopping 170 CFM 4BBL equivalent (240cfm/1.414)! There are race-flowed Holley 2BBLs out there that flow over 600CFM (430 CFM 4BBL equiv). These numbers are for 2V carburetors only (2100/2150). The first numbers are the Venturi Size, the second is the corresponding CFM. .98 = 190 1.01 = 240 1.02 = 245 1.08 = 287 1.14 = 300 1.21 = 351 1.23 = 356 1.33 = 424 ________________________________ From: Jim Sencindiver [mailto:jd.sencindiver@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:17 PM To: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Cc: tigers@autox.team.net; Greg Koss Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor Just out of curiosity, what was our stock/standard Autolite 2-bbl carb rated for? _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 14:24:15 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jim Sencindiver'" , "'Rense, Mark \(GE Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:53:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor Jim The original Autolite on Tigers was rated at 240 cfm. For other Ford carbs http://www.mustangtek.com/carburetors/FordCarburetors.htm Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sencindiver Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:17 PM To: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Cc: Greg Koss; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor Just out of curiosity, what was our stock/standard Autolite 2-bbl carb rated for? -- Jim Sencindiver B382100451/TAC 448 http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) < mark.rense@ge.com> wrote: > Buck is correct. For now obscure reason establish a million years ago > by the SAE, the flow rate through a 2BBL carburetor is measured at 3.0 > in./Hg. pressure drop and the 4BBL carbs are measured at 1.5 in./Hg. > pressure drop. So, a 500 CFM 2BBL compares to a 350 CFM 4BBL in flow. > A quick approximation is to take the rated CFM of a 2BBL and divide by > the square root of 2 (1.41421) to get the equivalent rating if it was > a 4BBL. > > Bugz _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2953 - Release Date: 06/22/10 06:36:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 14:52:01 2010 From: Allan Ballard To: "Rense, Mark \(GE Indust, ConsInd\)" Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:36:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor Wasn't the Motorcraft D2PF GB used prior to the Autoltie 2100/2150--with both being a replacement carb for the factory Ford C40F? Then again, maybe all 3 are the same carb...? My car had a Motorcraft installed in 1973. On Jun 22, 2010, at 3:31 PM, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) wrote: > Found this on a Mustang blog site. I believe the 260 ran a 1.01 venturi, > that makes it a whopping 170 CFM 4BBL equivalent (240cfm/1.414)! > > There are race-flowed Holley 2BBLs out there that flow over 600CFM (430 > CFM 4BBL equiv). > > These numbers are for 2V carburetors only (2100/2150). The first numbers > are the Venturi Size, the second is the corresponding CFM. > > .98 = 190 > 1.01 = 240 > 1.02 = 245 > 1.08 = 287 > 1.14 = 300 > 1.21 = 351 > 1.23 = 356 > 1.33 = 424 > > > ________________________________ > > From: Jim Sencindiver [mailto:jd.sencindiver@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:17 PM > To: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net; Greg Koss > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor > > > Just out of curiosity, what was our stock/standard Autolite 2-bbl carb > rated for? > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard@att.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 16:36:00 2010 From: Gabbard Gabbard To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] driver door hinge & inner bracket Anyone have a Tiger or Alpine driver's door lower hinge and inner bracket for sale? I need a set. Alex Gabbard _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 17:22:14 2010 From: Steve Laifman To: Buck Trippel , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:02:47 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor ? Thanks, Buck, I still don't know whether the 465 CFM Holley is rated "wet" or '"dry". Maybe a "Google" might help? Works smoothly on my F4B, but it ran like a pig at Big Bear. Maybe it was that "cheap" Valera gas station that appears to be local. The mile high didn't help either. I do have a colored LED array for A/F ratio measurement. Reacts near instantaneously. Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com Buck Trippel wrote: > In addition to the source previously posted, you can look at: http://www.thecarburetorshop.com/Carbshop_carbsizesandCFM.htm > > Now what really gets nuts is the difference in numbers you get when > guys start flowing carbs "wet" or "dry". The devil is certainly in the > details when you start looking at CFM. > > Buck _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 17:52:59 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Steve Laifman'" , "'Buck Trippel'" Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:36:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor ? Steve I believe most cfm ratings are dry. >From my experience at SUNI Snowmass, I know the more elevation the less choke you need on the carb. We flat landers have car trouble with altitude. I had to open the choke at Snowmass to make the Tiger run well; the air was already choked at that altitude. Bad gas can make any of us run poorly. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Laifman Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:03 PM To: Buck Trippel; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor ? Thanks, Buck, I still don't know whether the 465 CFM Holley is rated "wet" or '"dry". Maybe a "Google" might help? Works smoothly on my F4B, but it ran like a pig at Big Bear. Maybe it was that "cheap" Valera gas station that appears to be local. The mile high didn't help either. I do have a colored LED array for A/F ratio measurement. Reacts near instantaneously. Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com Buck Trippel wrote: > In addition to the source previously posted, you can look at: http://www.thecarburetorshop.com/Carbshop_carbsizesandCFM.htm > > Now what really gets nuts is the difference in numbers you get when > guys start flowing carbs "wet" or "dry". The devil is certainly in the > details when you start looking at CFM. > > Buck _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2953 - Release Date: 06/22/10 06:36:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 18:20:29 2010 From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor I love the title of this chain.. And the winner is... well you know the answer - Nothing that you get, open a box and dump on your car. I have run AFB's (single and dual quads) and an odd array of holley's (A three barrel made it on a car at one time), a Quadra Jet on a Dual Quad, and all of them worked OK but that was about all you can say at best. I have run modified holley's that are hands down better then anything that are coming out of a box beacuse someone took the time to set them up and build them right and then tune them correctly. The modern carb is still very much the same as it was back in prehistoric days, and it's an ugly beast but works ok without much work, but can work really well if time spent on it. Have recently used these crazy carbs from DamBest Carburetors http://www.dambest.com/ and while the price is crazy, it about what you would pay for a preped carb, and it's not a Holley ;) The most interesting part was taking to the guy at DamBest when ordering a carb and he asked me a lot of very detailed question about the engine, build cam specs and head flow, car, driving intentions, etc. Which was interesting that is was different then the generic 'what size motor does it have...' It's still a black voodo art as far as I'm concern, and it does require a load of patience which I don't have anymore. Fuel injection, ya, that's the answere ;) Sandy _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 19:53:03 2010 From: drmayf To: Sandy Ganz Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:30:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor It is all in the last line..... mayf Sandy Ganz wrote: >I love the title of this chain.. > >And the winner is... well you know the >answer - > >Nothing that you get, open a box and dump on your car. > >I have run >AFB's (single and dual quads) and an odd array of holley's (A three barrel >made it on a car at one time), a Quadra Jet on a Dual Quad, and all of them >worked OK but that was about all you can say at best. I have run modified >holley's that are hands down better then anything that are coming out of a box >beacuse someone took the time to set them up and build them right and then >tune them correctly. The modern carb is still very much the same as it was >back in prehistoric days, and it's an ugly beast but works ok without much >work, but can work really well if time spent on it. > >Have recently used these >crazy carbs from DamBest Carburetors http://www.dambest.com/ and while the >price is crazy, it about what you would pay for a preped carb, and it's not a >Holley ;) > >The most interesting part was taking to the guy at DamBest when >ordering a carb and he asked me a lot of very detailed question about the >engine, build cam specs and head flow, car, driving intentions, etc. Which was >interesting that is was different then the generic 'what size motor does it >have...' It's still a black voodo art as far as I'm concern, and it does >require a load of patience which I don't have anymore. > >Fuel injection, ya, >that's the answere ;) > >Sandy _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 20:10:02 2010 From: cjcoffel@sonic.net To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers United XXXII Pictures Jim Adams The Jim Adams pictures are up. Watch the slideshow and look at the expression on his face. Classic! You could see the memories come flooding back. Chris http://uberpilot.zenfolio.com/p474574583 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 20:36:53 2010 From: Steve Laifman To: "Would U. Believe" Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:19:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ferrari Clones Show Clear Legal Jeopardy re Cloning Tigers, Back in the day, we could cut the Ford Serial Number, stamped on the chassis, and weld it on to whatever we were building. AND made it legal to license. I guess today's regulations are more stringent, but I put the Fiero Engine in the REDTOI, with correct emissions/catalytic requirements of the V-6. The Kit Car was built on a VW chassis, and the metal stamped frame was also sufficient. Maybe things are different, but those cars, today, would be called VERY restored or Tribute Cars at Mecum. < http://Mecum.com > Here's a link to my pics: http://tigersunited.com/articles/sl-mc/stevelaifman5.asp http://tigersunited.com/articles/sl-mc/stevelaifman6.asp You actually may get a kick out of the whole article, starting on: http://tigersunited.com/articles/sl-mc/SteveLaifman.asp or just click on the #1 at the bottom of the page. Jay has that car, today, and almost one of every car I ever owned - all at the same time. Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com Would U. Believe wrote: > Hi all. For anyone who might speak Italian, below is a really interesting > article about an Italian family who made clones (exact duplicates) of their > very own (junk) Ferraris and the legal trouble they are now in. For some > reason, this story did not really make it out of the Italian press. Also > below is is a horrible and incomplete translation that came with the > article. I should probably re-translate it into English because it's an > interesting story. > > Anyone thinking of creating a bogus Tiger (cloning) should keep an eye on > this story to see how many years these guys serve in prison and how much the > fines against them will be. The difference here, obviously, is that the > manufacturer is directly interested and involved. The Rootes company is > long gone, and I bet Chrysler could not care less anymore. Still the > (additional) legal precedent is being set here and it's even more clear now > that cloning collectible cars is highly illegal not only in the US, but in > Europe too. Hopefully such stories will make people think twice before > rolling out their next Alger. I hope you enjoy this. > > All the best, > > Mauro > B382001355LRXFE > TAC 709 > > > Dubbini brothers accused of having cloned five historic Ferraris ... from > the Italian newspaper "Giornale di Padova" _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 20:53:21 2010 From: michael king To: cjcoffel@sonic.net Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 12:25:25 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers United XXXII Pictures Jim Adams Chris amazing collection of photos, thanks for sharing... The HSC is still just the most stunning resto and racer On 23 June 2010 11:43, wrote: > The Jim Adams pictures are up. Watch the slideshow and look at the > expression on his face. Classic! You could see the memories come flooding > back. > > Chris > > http://uberpilot.zenfolio.com/p474574583 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 21:17:03 2010 From: "Kirk Smith" To: Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:56:31 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers United XXXII Pictures Jim Adams You took some great shots of Jim Adams. I remember TUXXI at Bakersfield in 1996, Doane Spencer had just passed away. I don't think Jim had spoken in public before about driving #55, but he wanted to pay tribute to Doane's memory and gave a great talk at dinner. Nice to see him reunited with the car. Kirk _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 21:41:46 2010 From: Gyroplanes@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:12:05 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Jim Adams As a "newbie" I have to ask, who is Jim Adams? Tom Milton In a message dated 6/22/2010 9:11:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time, cjcoffel@sonic.net writes: The Jim Adams pictures are up. Watch the slideshow and look at the expression on his face. Classic! You could see the memories come flooding back. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 22:22:50 2010 From: cjcoffel@sonic.net To: Gyroplanes@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Jim Adams I was cleaning out my garage yesterday (The day after TU XXXII) and found some great stuff. Found the June issue of Road and Track and the interview with Jim Adams from Tigers United XXI. I've added them to the end of the pictures. http://uberpilot.zenfolio.com/p474574583 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 22 22:38:22 2010 From: michael king To: Gyroplanes@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 14:10:30 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Jim Adams Jim was the brave pilot of the %% HSC car when run by hollywood sports cars in the 60's, he also raced their other cars mclaren etc.. On 23 June 2010 13:12, wrote: > As a "newbie" I have to ask, who is Jim Adams? > > Tom Milton > > > In a message dated 6/22/2010 9:11:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > cjcoffel@sonic.net writes: > > The Jim Adams pictures are up. Watch the slideshow and look at the > expression on his face. Classic! You could see the memories come flooding > back. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 23 06:50:43 2010 From: spook01@comcast.net To: Steve Laifman Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 12:24:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ferrari Clones Show Clear Legal Jeopardy re Cloning i think the issue of fraud is the over riding factor.B if the car purports to be a original car, that is fraud.B if it is a replication sold as such, maybe not.B cal is sort of the stalag 13 of car registration, and many states simply don't care. we know chrysler doesn't care. ferrari is rather a different case, as they have sued kit car manufacturers before.B rolls royce once sued a guy who was hanging faux rr stuff on a chevy monte carlo for pete's sake.B rr lost that one i believe, but drove the company out of business due to having to defend themselves. a pyrrhic victory of sorts. Energy Management is the hallmark of a professional pilot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" To: "Would U. Believe" Cc: "Jay Laifman" , tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:19:26 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ferrari Clones Show Clear Legal Jeopardy re Cloning Tigers (and other collectible cars) Tigers, Back in the day, we could cut the Ford Serial Number, st