From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 05:36:13 2010 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:20:31 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] HP and 'K' heads 'That's pretty solid evidence, Tom. Either that, or, Hewlett Packard got a big head start on high performance drives!' Kirk, you're right, and when Hewlett Packard advertises this as their most powerful printer, believe it. What will discourage me from buying is the cost of a sump full of toner. I knew one of the Mustang magazines had shown the 'hp' casting as part of their teardown article, so when another poster disputed this last night, I went to work to find the photo, but Mr Witt, as usual, has come through again. Tom, good job. Kirk, nobody likes a trouble maker. LOL, RB _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 07:20:18 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Thomas Witt'" , Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:52:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads Tom That is the C8ZE-B HiPo head. The only head that Ford included the HP in the casting. It is also a smog control head with Air injector ports. The picture needed to be wider to get the casting date and the part number cast into the head. As far as I know there are no real indicators of a HiPo engine. Visually there is the Thicker crank damper but that is only 1 part. The HiPo engine is a combination of specific Ford parts. You need to be familiar with all of them to know a true Ford Built HiPo engine. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 12:25 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads I did a search of Google images under hipo 289 and found this image. Would this "HP" be the HiPo indictor? http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mackrafab.com/vmf/images/hp_head. jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.xiongdudu.com/image/Ford_Engine_Specs/10&usg=__5V_4 J1Y_buloq02ghaXcLCq0OVY=&h=384&w=512&sz=30&hl=en&start=28&zoom=1&tbnid=hhObZ s0acy-iQM:&tbnh=125&tbnw=170&prev=/images%3Fq%3D289%2Bhipo%2Bheads%26hl%3Den %26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DG%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:offici al%26biw%3D1440%26bih%3D710%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C646&itbs=1&iact=hc&v px=1140&vpy=333&dur=971&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=195&ty=114&ei=eNR9TMXxNJKqsAPfw 43BCw&oei=jtN9TPWBJoW8sAP53Pz0Cg&esq=13&page=2&ndsp=28&ved=1t:429,r:20,s:28& biw=1440&bih=710 Tom _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 07:53:31 2010 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, atwittsend@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:35:49 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads So, is the conclusion that Ford using the "HiPo" designation was mostly a sales gimmick? From the similarities with the un-HiPo there doesn't seem to be much gain. Mark _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 07:53:49 2010 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: jliny5@cox.net Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling Hi Jim, Those specs are just about what I try to get with my 205/60/13s. Camber of zero might wear the tires better if you just drive slowly to car shows, etc. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: jliny5 To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net, Tom Parker , CoolVT@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:55:54 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling Good Evening (at least on the east coast) Thought I would make another call regarding my post from yesterday regarding the affect a change in tire size might have on alignment. My new tires (205/60x13) get mounted Thursday. Wear looks pretty even on the old tires (175/70x13). For the time being I guess I will stick with the existing alignment specs. Thx, Jim Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "James Lindner" Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:17:09 To: Tom Parker; ; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling Hi all, While on the subject of handling, I am getting ready to put new tires on my Mk1. I was seeking any advice on specs for the front end alignment. Currently, I have 175/70x13 tires on Cosmic 5.5 wheels and the I am told by the previous owner the aligment is set as follows: Castor +3 - +4, Camber -0.75-1.0, Toe 1/16th in. I am considering 205/60x13 tires on the same wheels. The front suspension is stock. Do I need to change my alignment specs and if so what should they be? I saw Tom's reference to the CAT shop notes and the entry on alignment specs for different tires. I looked but could not find it in the edition I have. Thanks, Jim Lindner _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 08:36:01 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , , Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:10:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads Mark The HiPo engine was rated at 271 HP, the std 2 bbl 289 @ 200 HP, 4bbl @225 HP. The HiPo has some beefier components, solid lifter cam and other parts. Ford put a good effort in to make a streetable higher HP engine for the masses. The HiPo engine was a $400 option in 1965. Was this a sales gimmick, sure, and it worked; we still go- AH, its a HiPo. Everything the Auto companies did and still do is geared toward Sales. Shelby American was reported to get 314 HP (?) out of these engines. Today you can get that kind of HP and more out of a stroker engine or with power adders. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: CoolVT@aol.com [mailto:CoolVT@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:36 AM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; atwittsend@verizon.net; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads So, is the conclusion that Ford using the "HiPo" designation was mostly a sales gimmick? From the similarities with the un-HiPo there doesn't seem to be much gain. Mark No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3104 - Release Date: 09/01/10 06:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 08:37:19 2010 From: "John R. Engle" To: , , , Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:20:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads I haven't seen this information come up in this thread in any of the references but there is an external marker that denotes Hi-Po heads. On the corner of each head there is a number that is cast in and if memory serves me correctly that number is either a 19, 20 or 21. Thus, when I am at a car show and see a small block Ford that is dressed up like a H-Po I always look for these corner casting numbers so that I can tell if at least the heads are Hi-Pos then possibly everything below it could be correct. If the numbers are not these then I know it is a poser. John Engle Mk-II with 289 Hi-Po ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads > So, is the conclusion that Ford using the "HiPo" designation was mostly a > sales gimmick? From the similarities with the un-HiPo there doesn't seem > to > be much gain. > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tigermaniac@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 09:07:19 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'John R. Engle'" , , Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:40:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads John Your correct. Bob Mannel states in his book that the HiPo heads carry the number 18,19,20 or 21, located below one of the end exhaust ports and also on the bottom side of the head. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: John R. Engle [mailto:tigermaniac@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 10:20 AM To: CoolVT@aol.com; rfraser@bluefrog.com; atwittsend@verizon.net; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads I haven't seen this information come up in this thread in any of the references but there is an external marker that denotes Hi-Po heads. On the corner of each head there is a number that is cast in and if memory serves me correctly that number is either a 19, 20 or 21. Thus, when I am at a car show and see a small block Ford that is dressed up like a H-Po I always look for these corner casting numbers so that I can tell if at least the heads are Hi-Pos then possibly everything below it could be correct. If the numbers are not these then I know it is a poser. John Engle Mk-II with 289 Hi-Po ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads > So, is the conclusion that Ford using the "HiPo" designation was > mostly a sales gimmick? From the similarities with the un-HiPo there > doesn't seem to be much gain. > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tigermaniac@sbcglobal.net > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3104 - Release Date: 09/01/10 06:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 09:08:12 2010 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:52:27 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads Why all the teeth nashing over the antiquated 289 Hi-Po? For much less money, you can lift a 347 in the car that will easily produce 100 HP more. Thatbs what I am doing. Period correct, no....but tell that to the Corvette I just dusted ;^) Duke B382002037 ---- "John R. Engle" wrote: > I haven't seen this information come up in this thread in any of the > references but there is an external marker that denotes Hi-Po heads. On the > corner of each head there is a number that is cast in and if memory serves > me correctly that number is either a 19, 20 or 21. Thus, when I am at a car > show and see a small block Ford that is dressed up like a H-Po I always look > for these corner casting numbers so that I can tell if at least the heads > are Hi-Pos then possibly everything below it could be correct. If the > numbers are not these then I know it is a poser. > > John Engle > Mk-II with 289 Hi-Po > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; ; > > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:35 AM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads > > > > So, is the conclusion that Ford using the "HiPo" designation was mostly a > > sales gimmick? From the similarities with the un-HiPo there doesn't seem > > to > > be much gain. > > Mark > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tigermaniac@sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wsamouce@kc.rr.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 09:22:36 2010 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: , Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:56:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads I personally think it was at least partially a sales gimmick, but to me it was mostly the sum of several improvements - stronger crank and main caps, better heads with the spring pockets and screw-in studs, better ignition, improved exhaust manifolds and that solid lifter cam that gave the engine such a wonderful sound from idle all the way up to "Banshee". And it was almost 50 HP (20%) over the regular four barrel 289 and then Shelby got an additional 35 HP out of it without much trouble. Forty plus years of technology means we can now get more power and better drivability for far less cost than a real Hi-Po 289, but I believe the Hi-Po 289 was a major milestone for Ford. I would dearly love to hear one again. A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:36 AM > To: rfraser@bluefrog.com; atwittsend@verizon.net; > tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads > > So, is the conclusion that Ford using the "HiPo" designation > was mostly a sales gimmick? From the similarities with the > un-HiPo there doesn't seem to be much gain. > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker@gmail.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3106 - Release > Date: 09/01/10 01:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 09:24:13 2010 From: "Dave Munroe" To: , , "Tom Parker" Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:06:51 -0300 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling Jim; Your tire size change is not that radical, but for what its worth, when I went to 15" wheels and wide tires that maintained the same o/a diameter as the stock 13" tires, I had my car's front end alignment set at the spec numbers. After 8,000 miles, the outside edges of the front tires were near the wear bars, and I replaced them. According to my alignment guy, this is usually caused by too much toe-in, but mine was set at 1/8", (stock spec), and remained in adjustment until the tires were removed. We agreed to set the toe at 1/16", and changed the camber to bring the top of the tires closer to the top a-frame pivot. (Less camber). I don't remember the exact number. I have a tire wear gauge, and am going to keep a close eye on the wear pattern across the tread, and if it shows signs of wearing on one side of the other, we will adjust it. That might be a good idea for you to do as well. Tire wear gauges are cheap and easy to use, and available everywhere. Good luck with your change! Dave Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling Good Evening (at least on the east coast) Thought I would make another call regarding my post from yesterday regarding the affect a change in tire size might have on alignment. My new tires (205/60x13) get mounted Thursday. Wear looks pretty even on the old tires (175/70x13). For the time being I guess I will stick with the existing alignment specs. Thx, Jim _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 10:53:51 2010 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 11:30:40 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault Group, The combination of Steve's shared memories, the discussion of K code engines and my 66th birthday tomorrow has really got me thinking about ways to preserve car memories. I don't really want to overload this list or in any way limit things to Tigers, so I have an alternative to propose. Someone who has Internet skills could start a website dedicated to car memories. It could be open to uploads from everybody and to all makes, models, types, times and places. Pictures could be included. You could go through an index looking for specific cars, such as Tigers, or just wander around like at an open car show to see what you can find. There might even eventually be some kind of forum where people could ask questions about or discuss specific uploads. I know there are a lot of cars sites out there, but the ones I have found are mostly either limited in their subjects (hot rods or Tigers or Chevrolets or sports cars, etc.), or to cars owned now or in the recent past. I'm looking for something where I can post or read about any and every automobile and any and every thing that people did with, do with, thought about, remember, or felt about them. Perhaps Mark could do something like this, though I suspect we probably have him at about the limit of what he can do for us. And, of course, the site doesn't have to be in the U.S. Whether to cover the costs by donation, advertising or membership fees would have to be determined by whoever sets up the site. I'm not interested in just living in the past and I don't think any of us are. I am very much interested in the now, too. If you have any doubts of that, stop by and take a ride in the 302, T-5 equipped Geo Tracker I just built. Or at least you can as soon as I get the drive shaft built and installed. In the meantime, its roller block 302 sounds really good. It doesn't sound like a flathead or a Hi-Po 289, but I believe all of them and many others deserve a place in our collective memory. Anybody else think this might be worth doing? Of course, if it has already been done, please send me the URL. Thanks for reading, A. C. Tynes New Orleans _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 11:07:16 2010 From: "Buck Trippel" To: Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 09:40:28 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling I doubt any local alignment shop knows, much less ever followed the involved Rootes factory alignment procedures for which the the factory specs were provided. (make "Gap Gauges" following the drawing in the manual, make a front platform, insert Gap Gauges front and rear and then add about 300# onto the front platform and maybe a bit more into the trunk. Bottom the suspension on the Gauges and you're ready to begin. The lesson here is the Tiger alignment changes as the car is loaded. The factory estimated a loading (ride height) and provided specs for that height. However in the next 45 years springs sagged, rubber isolators rotted and countless variables were introduced into individual cars making that procedure with it's related specs increasingly inaccurate and somewhat obsolete. I've had great luck by... - loading the Tiger as I normally would for a road trip (including driver, passenger and all gear), - setting tire pressures to 40-45 cold, - setting camber around 1/2 degree negative and - caster as close to 4 degrees as I can get it with some - toe-OUT (no more than 1/8'). (Side to side weighed Caster should be as close to equal as possible: I have off the shelf alignment shims in various thicknesses down to 1/32 but at times I've even custom ground shims to even up the side to side caster numbers. good luck, Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Munroe" To: ; ; "Tom Parker" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling > Jim; > > Your tire size change is not that radical, but for what its worth, when I > went to 15" wheels and wide tires that maintained the same o/a diameter as > the stock 13" tires, I had my car's front end alignment set at the spec > numbers. > > After 8,000 miles, the outside edges of the front tires were near the wear > bars, and I replaced them. > > According to my alignment guy, this is usually caused by too much toe-in, > but mine was set at 1/8", (stock spec), and remained in adjustment until > the tires were removed. We agreed to set the toe at 1/16", and changed the > camber to bring the top of the tires closer to the top a-frame pivot. > (Less camber). I don't remember the exact number. > > I have a tire wear gauge, and am going to keep a close eye on the wear > pattern across the tread, and if it shows signs of wearing on one side of > the other, we will adjust it. > > That might be a good idea for you to do as well. Tire wear gauges are > cheap and easy to use, and available everywhere. > > Good luck with your change! > > Dave > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling > > > Good Evening (at least on the east coast) > > Thought I would make another call regarding my post from yesterday > regarding the affect a change in tire size might have on alignment. My new > tires (205/60x13) get mounted Thursday. Wear looks pretty even on the old > tires (175/70x13). For the time being I guess I will stick with the > existing alignment specs. > > Thx, Jim > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 11:51:06 2010 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: BuckTrippel@Verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:29:36 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling Why do some suggest 1/8" toe out and others 1/8" toe in? Mark L In a message dated 9/1/2010 1:08:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, BuckTrippel@Verizon.net writes: I doubt any local alignment shop knows, much less ever followed the involved Rootes factory alignment procedures for which the the factory specs were provided. (make "Gap Gauges" following the drawing in the manual, make a front platform, insert Gap Gauges front and rear and then add about 300# onto the front platform and maybe a bit more into the trunk. Bottom the suspension on the Gauges and you're ready to begin. The lesson here is the Tiger alignment changes as the car is loaded. The factory estimated a loading (ride height) and provided specs for that height. However in the next 45 years springs sagged, rubber isolators rotted and countless variables were introduced into individual cars making that procedure with it's related specs increasingly inaccurate and somewhat obsolete. I've had great luck by... - loading the Tiger as I normally would for a road trip (including driver, passenger and all gear), - setting tire pressures to 40-45 cold, - setting camber around 1/2 degree negative and - caster as close to 4 degrees as I can get it with some - toe-OUT (no more than 1/8'). (Side to side weighed Caster should be as close to equal as possible: I have off the shelf alignment shims in various thicknesses down to 1/32 but at times I've even custom ground shims to even up the side to side caster numbers. good luck, Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Munroe" To: ; ; "Tom Parker" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling > Jim; > > Your tire size change is not that radical, but for what its worth, when I > went to 15" wheels and wide tires that maintained the same o/a diameter as > the stock 13" tires, I had my car's front end alignment set at the spec > numbers. > > After 8,000 miles, the outside edges of the front tires were near the wear > bars, and I replaced them. > > According to my alignment guy, this is usually caused by too much toe-in, > but mine was set at 1/8", (stock spec), and remained in adjustment until > the tires were removed. We agreed to set the toe at 1/16", and changed the > camber to bring the top of the tires closer to the top a-frame pivot. > (Less camber). I don't remember the exact number. > > I have a tire wear gauge, and am going to keep a close eye on the wear > pattern across the tread, and if it shows signs of wearing on one side of > the other, we will adjust it. > > That might be a good idea for you to do as well. Tire wear gauges are > cheap and easy to use, and available everywhere. > > Good luck with your change! > > Dave > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling > > > Good Evening (at least on the east coast) > > Thought I would make another call regarding my post from yesterday > regarding the affect a change in tire size might have on alignment. My new > tires (205/60x13) get mounted Thursday. Wear looks pretty even on the old > tires (175/70x13). For the time being I guess I will stick with the > existing alignment specs. > > Thx, Jim > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 12:30:47 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "CoolVT@aol.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:03:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling Toe out avoids, to some extent, the low-speed scrub you will get due to the non-Ackerman geometry in the Tiger's steering. Additionally it will make your turn-in more positive. It can make your braking a little bit more darty than it would be with toe-in, though. Years ago one of the local racers bought one of the ex-Rocketsports Olds Cutlass GT-1 cars. He told me that according to the book, the fast setup on that car had 1/4" toe-out, but apparently that required some substantial lack of fear on the part of the driver. He ran the car with zero toe. On the Tiger the factory alignment was intended for skinny bias-ply tires on narrow wheels. When you put modern radials on, with aspect ratios from 40 to 60 instead of the OEM aspect ratio of 78, you have to be prepared to make some adjustments and your tire/alignment shop ought to know that too, even if they're not aware of the factory alignment procedure. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com > Sent: September 1, 2010 11:30 AM > To: BuckTrippel@Verizon.net; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling > > Why do some suggest 1/8" toe out and others 1/8" toe in? > Mark L > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 13:39:32 2010 From: "Buck Trippel" To: "Smit, Theo" , Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 12:15:28 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling Mark, Toe In is traditional on most street cars. It helps straight line tracking. (But so does Caster, but Caster probably does a better job.) Toe Out is an accommodation to compensate for the Tiger's anti-ackerman steering. It also helps "turn-in" when Autocrossing. Towing out when steering is what Ackerman does. Changing to this amount of toe out delays the onset of Anti-Ackerman a bit and since the worst of the Anti-Ackerman is at the extreme (near full lock) of steering, the change eliminates the anti-ackerman problem for much of the steering range. I did the calcs many years ago but I seem to remember this change toes out about a degree. (The Tiger's anti-Ackerman is about 3-4 degrees at full lock). I was fearful to try toe out at first because I was leery about loosing tracking stability and then I remembered that every NASCAR roaring around the high banks at over 190MPH runs front Toe out. I saw some race Tigers demonstrate this setting at 150 to 160MPH on the banks at California Speedway with no problems so I tried it. Works fine when coupled with the Caster settings described in the earlier post which help straight line tracking. (However you'll end up with a"Twitchy" Tiger if you both Toe Out and reduce Caster far below the factory "specs". e.g. Caster from almost 4 degrees down to 2 degrees.) We've always run 1/8" Tow out in our race Tiger. (And those races average almost 80 MPH.) Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smit, Theo" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling > Toe out avoids, to some extent, the low-speed scrub you will get due to > the > non-Ackerman geometry in the Tiger's steering. Additionally it will make > your > turn-in more positive. It can make your braking a little bit more darty > than > it would be with toe-in, though. > > Years ago one of the local racers bought one of the ex-Rocketsports Olds > Cutlass GT-1 cars. He told me that according to the book, the fast setup > on > that car had 1/4" toe-out, but apparently that required some substantial > lack > of fear on the part of the driver. He ran the car with zero toe. > > > On the Tiger the factory alignment was intended for skinny bias-ply tires > on > narrow wheels. When you put modern radials on, with aspect ratios from 40 > to > 60 instead of the OEM aspect ratio of 78, you have to be prepared to make > some > adjustments and your tire/alignment shop ought to know that too, even if > they're not aware of the factory alignment procedure. > > Theo > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- >> bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com >> Sent: September 1, 2010 11:30 AM >> To: BuckTrippel@Verizon.net; tigers@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling >> >> Why do some suggest 1/8" toe out and others 1/8" toe in? >> Mark L _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 14:20:22 2010 From: "Dave Munroe" To: "Buck Trippel" , Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 16:56:42 -0300 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling Buck: I've tried that positive "toe out" on an MGB, and it is scary. Its a toss up between relaxed drive-ability and heart-in-your-throat "flick-ability". (and tire wear). My car works great in the relaxed mode at between zero and 1/8th in toe-in.....so I'm happy with the handling. I'm hoping our experiment with less camber will moderate, if not eliminate, the excessive wear around the outside edge of the circumference. Its interesting you are at 1/2 degree negative. I don't think we set it much more than zero, which give us a bit more to go if it proves not to be enough. Time will tell. Dave Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling >I doubt any local alignment shop knows, much less ever followed the >involved Rootes factory alignment procedures for which the the factory >specs were provided. (make "Gap Gauges" following the drawing in the >manual, make a front platform, insert Gap Gauges front and rear and then >add about 300# onto the front platform and maybe a bit more into the trunk. >Bottom the suspension on the Gauges and you're ready to begin. > > The lesson here is the Tiger alignment changes as the car is loaded. The > factory estimated a loading (ride height) and provided specs for that > height. However in the next 45 years springs sagged, rubber isolators > rotted and countless variables were introduced into individual cars making > that procedure with it's related specs increasingly inaccurate and > somewhat obsolete. > > I've had great luck by... > - loading the Tiger as I normally would for a road trip (including driver, > passenger and all gear), > - setting tire pressures to 40-45 cold, > - setting camber around 1/2 degree negative and > - caster as close to 4 degrees as I can get it with some > - toe-OUT (no more than 1/8'). > (Side to side weighed Caster should be as close to equal as possible: I > have off the shelf alignment shims in various thicknesses down to 1/32 but > at times I've even custom ground shims to even up the side to side caster > numbers. > > good luck, > > Buck Trippel _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 15:21:55 2010 From: Howard gentry To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads The HIPO heads are so different at the exhaust castings..Dshaped vs round The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Wed, 9/1/10, CoolVT@aol.com wrote: From: CoolVT@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, atwittsend@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 9:35 AM So, is the conclusion that Ford using the "HiPo" designation was mostly a sales gimmick? From the similarities with the un-HiPo there doesn't seem to be much gain. Mark _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/zymmer4@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 15:52:26 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: "A. C. Tynes" Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:24:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] It's all Steves idea- or fault Mr Tynes- Yahoo has many groups PLUS it is very easy to start one. I belong to a plating site. I'm interested in learning how to chrome plate but have learned there are many types of plating and even chrome is over another metal, which is plated before the chrome. Owning more Sunbeams than I will ever get restored and also having a couple of older Harley's, chrome plating became to my intrest and ithas become very expensive- the government has caused many things to increase in price and chrome plating is just one of several. Because people sent post to the plating site, the person who started the site added another- it has the same address but with OT at the end- the OT stand for "Off Topic" and so if I wish to send the plating group a joke, I send it to the OT site and no one is ever upset. It is free, just takes a moderator to start the group, yahoo will ask you the name and in our case, it might be "Sunbeam Tigers OT " and I ask the site if I may join and the moderator adds my email to the group- it then works just like our LIST, in that all members who have ask to join, receive all emails and responses- anyone not interested in seeing my jokes, stories, complaints, endorsements etc etc etc just don't join the group and THAT would solve our problem of some members getting bent out of shape over what many think is of interest and they can see only LIST mail that would only concern Sunbeam Tiger or Alpine- depending on if you are on one or both LIST. There is plenty of room for both LIST to be on the Sunbeam OT @ yahoo.com list. I originally was sending this email to A.C.Tynes but since we have had a extra ammount of off topic emails of late, which has shown evidence that not everyone has been happy about, this is a way we can keep any and all BS sent to our LIST members and for those not interested, they don't have to become members. I'm not positive but I think and strongly, you may have to have a yahoo account to receive "yahoo group" mail. respectively so, Tony Lang (TtT) From: A. C. Tynes Subject: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 11:30 AM Group, The combination of Steve's shared memories, the discussion of K code engines and my 66th birthday tomorrow has really got me thinking about ways to preserve car memories. I don't really want to overload this list or in any way limit things to Tigers, so I have an alternative to propose. Someone who has Internet skills could _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 15:53:45 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Help Denis is having trouble joing he LIST- I have sent him directions- not knowing if this posted- I am fwding i to the LIST. Thanks for Mr.Mercier --- On Wed, 9/1/10, denis mercier wrote: From: denis mercier Subject: Help To: tigers@autox.team.net Cc: "Tony Somebody" Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:34 AM Hi listers. Could someone can tell me where can i find the shifter reverse T handle, mine is broken. Thanks ! Denis _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 16:52:01 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Howard gentry'" , Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 18:33:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads Howard The small block Ford heads all have exhaust ports that are 1.24" x 1.00". Boss 302 has 2.00" x 1.74". I only round port on a small block Ford head that I know of is the intake port on the 302 tunnel port head. Great for 8000 rpm but not very streetable. Information source: High Performance Ford Engine parts Interchange by George Reid. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Howard gentry Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:08 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads The HIPO heads are so different at the exhaust castings..Dshaped vs round The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Wed, 9/1/10, CoolVT@aol.com wrote: From: CoolVT@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, atwittsend@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 9:35 AM So, is the conclusion that Ford using the "HiPo" designation was mostly a sales gimmick? From the similarities with the un-HiPo there doesn't seem to be much gain. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3104 - Release Date: 09/01/10 06:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 16:52:18 2010 From: "csx2282" To: "tigers" Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:35:00 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault Interesting that you should suggest a site dedicated to car stories and memories, because I've been having similar thoughts. I joined the british-cars list about 20 years ago when it included all marques and there were much more of those types of posts then. It wouldn't be practical to revert back to that now because of the hugely increased volume, but I kind of miss it. I kept copies of some of the stuff I posted over the years. Occasionally I look back through one or two of them and am surprised to read stuff I had completely forgotten. Who knows, maybe my kids or grand kids will find some of it interesting someday. I'm still on the british-cars list but the average monthly volume is probably less than the daily Tiger list volume. Should anyone be interested in pictures of early HiPo heads, I have a basket case set that's been sitting in my garage for decades. Roland > Group, > > The combination of Steve's shared memories, the discussion of K code > engines > and my 66th birthday tomorrow has really got me thinking about ways to > preserve car memories. I don't really want to overload this list or in any > way limit things to Tigers, so I have an alternative to propose. > > Someone who has Internet skills could start a website dedicated to car > memories. It could be open to uploads from everybody and to all makes, > models, types, times and places. Pictures could be included. You could go > through an index looking for specific cars, such as Tigers, or just wander > around like at an open car show to see what you can find. There might even > eventually be some kind of forum where people could ask questions about or > discuss specific uploads. > > I know there are a lot of cars sites out there, but the ones I have found > are mostly either limited in their subjects (hot rods or Tigers or > Chevrolets or sports cars, etc.), or to cars owned now or in the recent > past. I'm looking for something where I can post or read about any and > every > automobile and any and every thing that people did with, do with, thought > about, remember, or felt about them. > > Perhaps Mark could do something like this, though I suspect we probably > have > him at about the limit of what he can do for us. And, of course, the site > doesn't have to be in the U.S. Whether to cover the costs by donation, > advertising or membership fees would have to be determined by whoever sets > up the site. > > I'm not interested in just living in the past and I don't think any of us > are. I am very much interested in the now, too. If you have any doubts of > that, stop by and take a ride in the 302, T-5 equipped Geo Tracker I just > built. Or at least you can as soon as I get the drive shaft built and > installed. In the meantime, its roller block 302 sounds really good. It > doesn't sound like a flathead or a Hi-Po 289, but I believe all of them > and > many others deserve a place in our collective memory. > > Anybody else think this might be worth doing? Of course, if it has already > been done, please send me the URL. > > Thanks for reading, > A. C. Tynes > New Orleans _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 17:50:25 2010 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 19:22:07 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] hipo engine Guys, The Shelby Gt350's '65 and '66 were 306 HP unless supercharged or had multiple carbs, Clyde previous owner 6s639 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 17:50:48 2010 From: Paul Memont To: csx2282 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 19:22:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault csx2282 wrote: > Interesting that you should suggest a site dedicated to car stories and > memories, because I've been having similar thoughts. I joined the > british-cars list > about 20 years ago when it included all marques and there were much more > of those types of posts then. It wouldn't be practical to revert back to > that now because of the hugely increased volume, but I kind of miss > it. I > kept copies of some of the stuff I posted over the years. Occasionally I > look back through one or two of them and am surprised to read stuff I > had completely > forgotten. Who knows, maybe my kids or grand kids will find some of it > interesting someday. > > I'm still on the british-cars list but the average monthly volume is > probably > less than the daily Tiger list volume. > > Should anyone be interested in pictures of early HiPo heads, I have a > basket case set that's been sitting in my garage for decades. > > Roland > >> Group, >> >> The combination of Steve's shared memories, the discussion of K code >> engines >> and my 66th birthday tomorrow has really got me thinking about ways to >> preserve car memories. I don't really want to overload this list or >> in any >> way limit things to Tigers, so I have an alternative to propose. >> >> Someone who has Internet skills could start a website dedicated to car >> memories. It could be open to uploads from everybody and to all makes, >> models, types, times and places. Pictures could be included. You >> could go >> through an index looking for specific cars, such as Tigers, or just >> wander >> around like at an open car show to see what you can find. There might >> even >> eventually be some kind of forum where people could ask questions >> about or >> discuss specific uploads. >> >> I know there are a lot of cars sites out there, but the ones I have >> found >> are mostly either limited in their subjects (hot rods or Tigers or >> Chevrolets or sports cars, etc.), or to cars owned now or in the recent >> past. I'm looking for something where I can post or read about any and >> every >> automobile and any and every thing that people did with, do with, >> thought >> about, remember, or felt about them. >> >> Perhaps Mark could do something like this, though I suspect we probably >> have >> him at about the limit of what he can do for us. And, of course, the >> site >> doesn't have to be in the U.S. Whether to cover the costs by donation, >> advertising or membership fees would have to be determined by whoever >> sets >> up the site. >> >> I'm not interested in just living in the past and I don't think any >> of us >> are. I am very much interested in the now, too. If you have any >> doubts of >> that, stop by and take a ride in the 302, T-5 equipped Geo Tracker I >> just >> built. Or at least you can as soon as I get the drive shaft built and >> installed. In the meantime, its roller block 302 sounds really good. It >> doesn't sound like a flathead or a Hi-Po 289, but I believe all of them >> and >> many others deserve a place in our collective memory. >> >> Anybody else think this might be worth doing? Of course, if it has >> already >> been done, please send me the URL. >> >> Thanks for reading, >> A. C. Tynes >> New Orleans > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 18:21:07 2010 From: Stephen Waybright To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 16:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam in another magazine ad Sorry if this was already mentioned, but I haven't been watching the postings lately and wanted to make sure everyone noticed the Car And Driver, Free fuel for a year promo that features a Sunbeam from behind (Alpine I think) in a full page ad. There are several ads out now there with similar shots of Sunbeams. Stephen Waybright _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 18:36:26 2010 From: Paul Memont To: csx2282 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 20:12:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault Oops! Forgot the link! http://www.carmemories.com Paul Memont wrote: > csx2282 wrote: >> Interesting that you should suggest a site dedicated to car stories and >> memories, because I've been having similar thoughts. I joined the >> british-cars list >> about 20 years ago when it included all marques and there were much more >> of those types of posts then. It wouldn't be practical to revert >> back to >> that now because of the hugely increased volume, but I kind of miss >> it. I >> kept copies of some of the stuff I posted over the years. >> Occasionally I >> look back through one or two of them and am surprised to read stuff I >> had completely >> forgotten. Who knows, maybe my kids or grand kids will find some of it >> interesting someday. >> >> I'm still on the british-cars list but the average monthly volume is >> probably >> less than the daily Tiger list volume. >> >> Should anyone be interested in pictures of early HiPo heads, I have a >> basket case set that's been sitting in my garage for decades. >> >> Roland >> >>> Group, >>> >>> The combination of Steve's shared memories, the discussion of K code >>> engines >>> and my 66th birthday tomorrow has really got me thinking about ways to >>> preserve car memories. I don't really want to overload this list or >>> in any >>> way limit things to Tigers, so I have an alternative to propose. >>> >>> Someone who has Internet skills could start a website dedicated to car >>> memories. It could be open to uploads from everybody and to all makes, >>> models, types, times and places. Pictures could be included. You >>> could go >>> through an index looking for specific cars, such as Tigers, or just >>> wander >>> around like at an open car show to see what you can find. There >>> might even >>> eventually be some kind of forum where people could ask questions >>> about or >>> discuss specific uploads. >>> >>> I know there are a lot of cars sites out there, but the ones I have >>> found >>> are mostly either limited in their subjects (hot rods or Tigers or >>> Chevrolets or sports cars, etc.), or to cars owned now or in the recent >>> past. I'm looking for something where I can post or read about any and >>> every >>> automobile and any and every thing that people did with, do with, >>> thought >>> about, remember, or felt about them. >>> >>> Perhaps Mark could do something like this, though I suspect we probably >>> have >>> him at about the limit of what he can do for us. And, of course, the >>> site >>> doesn't have to be in the U.S. Whether to cover the costs by donation, >>> advertising or membership fees would have to be determined by >>> whoever sets >>> up the site. >>> >>> I'm not interested in just living in the past and I don't think any >>> of us >>> are. I am very much interested in the now, too. If you have any >>> doubts of >>> that, stop by and take a ride in the 302, T-5 equipped Geo Tracker I >>> just >>> built. Or at least you can as soon as I get the drive shaft built and >>> installed. In the meantime, its roller block 302 sounds really good. It >>> doesn't sound like a flathead or a Hi-Po 289, but I believe all of them >>> and >>> many others deserve a place in our collective memory. >>> >>> Anybody else think this might be worth doing? Of course, if it has >>> already >>> been done, please send me the URL. >>> >>> Thanks for reading, >>> A. C. Tynes >>> New Orleans _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 20:07:29 2010 From: Howard gentry To: Clyde McLaughlin , Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 18:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] hipo engine Hi, My uncle had a 1966 Tiger with the 306HP engine in it..It was fast and quick.. zym The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Clyde McLaughlin wrote: From: Clyde McLaughlin Subject: [Tigers] hipo engine To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 7:22 PM Guys, The Shelby Gt350's '65 and '66 were 306 HP unless supercharged or had multiple carbs, Clyde previous owner 6s639 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/zymmer4@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 22:22:53 2010 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: Clyde McLaughlin Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 03:57:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] hipo engine Yeah, but wasn't that questionable? 271HP with the Ford Motor Company engineering, vs. Shelby's California street rodders getting 306HP with just a few minor tweeks... ----- Original Message ----- From: Clyde McLaughlin To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 23:22:07 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] hipo engine Guys, The Shelby Gt350's '65 and '66 were 306 HP unless supercharged or had multiple carbs, Clyde previous owner 6s639 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 22:23:59 2010 From: garywinblad@comcast.net To: csx2282 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 04:07:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault > Who knows, maybe my kids or grand kids will find some of it >interesting someday. Not many know this but: Roland's son is a real chip off the ol block.. he has (or had?) a british sports car with american V8. Poor kids now adays can't have a magnificent Tiger or Cobra, he has a TR8, STILL a GREAT car!! To add to the OT bs(?!) I first met Roland at my first job as a new graduate engineer.. He was the senior guy on one of my projects and out of the blue he asked me one day "are you the guy I see driving a Sunbeam Tiger?"... its been 37years since that day... I still have that Tiger and Roland still has that Cobra... Who would have thought.... Gary _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 22:37:06 2010 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: "'Paul Memont'" , Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 23:15:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault Thanks, Paul. This looks like just what I wanted. A. C. Tynes New Orleans > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Memont > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:12 PM > To: csx2282 > Cc: tigers > Subject: Re: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault > > Oops! > Forgot the link! > > http://www.carmemories.com > > > >>> Anybody else think this might be worth doing? Of course, > if it has > >>> already been done, please send me the URL. > >>> > >>> Thanks for reading, > >>> A. C. Tynes > >>> New Orleans > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker@gmail.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3107 - Release > Date: 09/01/10 13:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 1 23:22:16 2010 From: michael king To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:58:49 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Nice Tiger fitting wheels Saw these on ebay in the USA... they look nice on tiges IMHO.. and are not minilite/superlite/panasports.. so good period alternative http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dunlop-D1-Alloy-Wheels-13x5-5-Ford-Cortina-Ang lia-Capri_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZalgoQ3dSIQ26ituQ3dUCIQ252BUAQ252BFICSQ2 6otnQ3d8Q26pmodQ3d280554739977Q26poQ3dLVIQ26psQ3d63Q26clkidQ3d597717838656594 9185QQ_trksidZp3907Q2em263QQcategoryZ140747QQitemZ120615415964 -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 08:08:21 2010 From: "Alvin Johnson" To: "michael king" , "Tiger Talk List Tiger" Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 09:45:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Nice Tiger fitting wheels Saw a Tiger w/Lotus "wobble wheels" at a meet in RI many years ago---looked really cool, but never saw another. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 08:26:13 2010 From: Cullen McCann To: "'Tiger List Serve'" Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 09:01:19 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] classifieds for your enjoyment Not a lot of info, but for the price asking.dang, I would be curious.if I was in the market.AAAANND.im not. Check it out though http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/cto/1906088038.html this one has been listed for a while.car appears to be rough but images can be deceiving in both good and bad ways.it may not be that bad and there is some decent parts on it..and looks fairly complete. Might be worth checking out. Appears to be a non-original engine for the VIN but given the valve covers and the 289.might be a HiPo motor or something..who knows, its happened! http://wilmington.craigslist.org/cto/1872872416.html just the messenger. Cullen 1452 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 08:36:47 2010 From: "Joe Parlanti" To: "'michael king'" , "'Tiger Talk List Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 10:19:02 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Nice Tiger fitting wheels I have these wheels on my Tiger and really like them. They're period correct and more unusual than most. Here's a link to an article that I wrote some time ago about restoring the wheels with some shots of them on my car: http://flymall.org/magento/index.php/tech-tips/how-to-restore-aluminum-wheel s.html Scroll down to the documents section and click to download the article. BTW, I've also reproduced the Dunlop logo for the center cap if anyone needs them. Cheers, JVP B382000026 Joseph V. Parlanti 16048 Copen Meadow Dr North Potomac, Md. 20878 Cell - 301-461-0626 Email - Parlanti@comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 12:59 AM To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: [Tigers] Nice Tiger fitting wheels Saw these on ebay in the USA... they look nice on tiges IMHO.. and are not minilite/superlite/panasports.. so good period alternative http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dunlop-D1-Alloy-Wheels-13x5-5-Ford-Cortina-An g lia-Capri_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZalgoQ3dSIQ26ituQ3dUCIQ252BUAQ252BFICSQ 2 6otnQ3d8Q26pmodQ3d280554739977Q26poQ3dLVIQ26psQ3d63Q26clkidQ3d59771783865659 4 9185QQ_trksidZp3907Q2em263QQcategoryZ140747QQitemZ120615415964 -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 09:23:39 2010 From: spmdr@juno.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:53:15 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Alignment settings Just a note(s) on front end alignment, IF you don't use the gap gages, and who does, you really NEED to recheck the settings! and the more times the better! And I mean AFTER settling the car! ...as in drive it THEN check it! Also, camber is a key player when it comes to toe OUT settings. DW ____________________________________________________________ $350,000 Life Insurance Coverage as low as $13.04/month. Free, No Obligation Quotes. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c7fbaa4a7da1753f0m07vuc _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 10:23:17 2010 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 8:58:57 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Gas pedal mounting question. A silly question. Does the mount for the throttle pedal go under the carpet or on top of it? I talking about the U shaped piece that is secured to the tranny hump with 3 screws. Same question for the pedal stop that mounts to the side of the tranny hump. Erich _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 11:09:38 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 12:45:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas pedal mounting question. Erich I'm not sure how this was originally. I found that if the carpet is thin enough you can mount it under the carpet, if the carpet is thick you have to mount it on the top of the carpet or cut the carpet. You never want the carpet or the screws interfering with the action of the pedal. There are 2 stops; 1 high on near the U shaped piece and 1 low for the pedal. I don't have any carpet there at this time but these can go through the carpet. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of e.coiner@cox.net Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:59 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Gas pedal mounting question. A silly question. Does the mount for the throttle pedal go under the carpet or on top of it? I talking about the U shaped piece that is secured to the tranny hump with 3 screws. Same question for the pedal stop that mounts to the side of the tranny hump. Erich _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 11:40:39 2010 From: "csx2282" To: Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 10:16:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault Close Gary, but no banana! The TR8 engine is a British Rover 3.5L fuel injected V8. My son still has the car, though his year old twin sons currently take fun priority. And sorta back on topic, the 306HP Hi-Po setup includes a high rise intake manifold with a Model 4150C ( R-3259_1 AAS) 715 CFM four barrel. Roland ----- Original Message ----- Not many know this but: Roland's son is a real chip off the ol block.. he has (or had?) a british sports car with american V8. Poor kids now adays can't have a magnificent Tiger or Cobra, he has a TR8, STILL a GREAT car!! Gary _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 12:07:58 2010 From: Marc James Small To: "csx2282" , Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 13:44:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault At 01:16 PM 9/2/2010, csx2282 wrote: >Close Gary, but no banana! > >The TR8 engine is a British Rover 3.5L fuel injected V8. My son still has the >car, though his year old twin sons currently take fun priority. > The 3500cc Rover engine began life as the Buick 215 V-8. Leyland bought the engine and tooling from GM in '68. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 12:08:09 2010 From: "Alan Zeni" To: "csx2282" , "tiger" Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 10:52:48 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault Gary is technically correct. The rover v8 started out as the olds 215 rocket v8 in the early 60's and was licensed to rover which then was known as the rover v8 and was put in the TR8. So the basis is actually american with english modifications over the years/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "csx2282" To: Cc: "tigers" Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault > Close Gary, but no banana! > > The TR8 engine is a British Rover 3.5L fuel injected V8. My son still has the > car, though his year old twin sons currently take fun priority. > > And sorta back on topic, the 306HP Hi-Po setup includes a high rise intake > manifold with a Model 4150C ( R-3259_1 AAS) 715 CFM four barrel. > > Roland > ----- Original Message ----- > > Not many know this but: > Roland's son is a real chip off the ol block.. he has (or had?) a > british sports car with american V8. Poor kids now adays can't > have a magnificent Tiger or Cobra, he has a TR8, STILL a > GREAT car!! > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tigger@missiongranite.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 12:35:33 2010 From: "csx2282" To: "Alan Zeni" , "tiger" Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 11:03:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault Yes, I'm aware of this history, but if it runs like a Brit engine and if it leaks like a Brit engine, it's a Brit engine. Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Zeni" To: "csx2282" ; "tiger" Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault > Gary is technically correct. The rover v8 started out as the olds 215 > rocket v8 in the early 60's and was licensed to rover which then was known > as the rover v8 and was put in the TR8. So the basis is actually american > with english modifications over the years/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "csx2282" > To: > Cc: "tigers" > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 10:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] It's all Steve Laifman's fault > > >> Close Gary, but no banana! >> >> The TR8 engine is a British Rover 3.5L fuel injected V8. My son still >> has > the >> car, though his year old twin sons currently take fun priority. >> >> And sorta back on topic, the 306HP Hi-Po setup includes a high rise >> intake >> manifold with a Model 4150C ( R-3259_1 AAS) 715 CFM four barrel. >> >> Roland >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> Not many know this but: >> Roland's son is a real chip off the ol block.. he has (or had?) a >> british sports car with american V8. Poor kids now adays can't >> have a magnificent Tiger or Cobra, he has a TR8, STILL a >> GREAT car!! >> >> Gary >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tigger@missiongranite.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 12:35:43 2010 From: Tom Parker To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:03:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas pedal mounting question. With the stock throttle rod assy. and a 4160 Holley on a Performer manifold the pedal doesn't quite reach the lower stop (without carpet...). The upper stop doesn't come anywhere near the "U-shaped" throttle upper bar on mine; I've been looking for an excuse to ask the group about that (The cable gets replaced by a Lokar cable once the engine is spun up and I know there are no other problems.). So, Thanks Erich for bringing it up, and, Ron, your thoughts... what am I missing? Tom ' 67 Tiger undergoing reconstruction. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Erich > I'm not sure how this was originally. I found that if the carpet > is thin enough you can mount it under the carpet, if the carpet is thick > you > have to mount it on the top of the carpet or cut the carpet. You never > want > the carpet or the screws interfering with the action of the pedal. > > There are 2 stops; 1 high on near the U shaped piece and 1 low for > the pedal. I don't have any carpet there at this time but these can go > through the carpet. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of e.coiner@cox.net > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:59 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Gas pedal mounting question. > > > A silly question. > > Does the mount for the throttle pedal go under the carpet or on top of it? > I > talking about the U shaped piece that is secured to the tranny hump with 3 > screws. > > Same question for the pedal stop that mounts to the side of the tranny > hump. > > Erich > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 12:56:59 2010 From: Jeffery Randall To: Cullen McCann Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:28:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] classifieds for your enjoyment The Wilmington car sold 2 weeks ago, package deal with a trailer around 9000 On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Cullen McCann wrote: > Not a lot of info, but for the price asking.dang, I would be curious.if I > was in the market.AAAANND.im not. Check it out > though > > http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/cto/1906088038.html > > > > > > this one has been listed for a while.car appears to be rough but images can > be deceiving in both good and bad ways.it may not be that bad and there is > some decent parts on it..and looks fairly complete. Might be worth checking > out. Appears to be a non-original engine for the VIN but given the valve > covers and the 289.might be a HiPo motor or something..who knows, its > happened! > > http://wilmington.craigslist.org/cto/1872872416.html > > > > > > just the messenger. > > > > Cullen > > 1452 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jefferyrandall@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 13:09:29 2010 From: Jeffrey Nichols To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 11:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] The Snake Oil Truth "Yeah, but wasn't that questionable? 271HP with the Ford Motor Company engineering, vs. Shelby's California street rodders getting 306HP with just a few minor tweeks..." Shelby was able to do it back in the day. Mustang Monthly did a dyno test between a HiPo 289 and a Shelby modified HiPo. Here is the result page and the HP ratings are close to what Ford and Shelby said they should be. Read the rest of the article for the full story. http://www.mustangmonthly.com/techarticles/mump_1003_1965_hi_po_engine_versus _shelby_289_short_block/dyno_test_results.html _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 13:09:37 2010 From: Cullen McCann To: "'Jeffery Randall'" Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 13:56:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] classifieds for your enjoyment Yep.I had one other lister contact me off line and mention it had sold. I also heard that the seller wouldn't sell the parts separately..which it was some of the parts that caught my eye. Well.9 grand seems like it could be well bought for a complete car if the rust isn't too bad. Good to note that its no longer available...it would be nice if the seller would remove the ad.but I guess it will eventually run out anyway. Cullen From: Jeffery Randall [mailto:jefferyrandall@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:28 PM To: Cullen McCann Cc: Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] classifieds for your enjoyment The Wilmington car sold 2 weeks ago, package deal with a trailer around 9000 On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Cullen McCann wrote: Not a lot of info, but for the price asking.dang, I would be curious.if I was in the market.AAAANND.im not. Check it out though http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/cto/1906088038.html this one has been listed for a while.car appears to be rough but images can be deceiving in both good and bad ways.it may not be that bad and there is some decent parts on it..and looks fairly complete. Might be worth checking out. Appears to be a non-original engine for the VIN but given the valve covers and the 289.might be a HiPo motor or something..who knows, its happened! http://wilmington.craigslist.org/cto/1872872416.html just the messenger. Cullen 1452 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jefferyrandall@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 13:09:55 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Tom Parker'" Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:58:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas pedal mounting question. Tom The gas pedal has 1 adjustment at the lever arm. You can set it up any way you like for wide open throttle and height of the pedal. Adjust it to a comfortable position and then look for wide open throttle position. If you don't run at WOT, you don't have to adjust it to get full WOT but you should be near there for when its needed. The upper stop hits the flat disc on the lever arm. I think it is mostly for a rattle stop and I'm not sure it is really needed in every case. My gas pedal has a slight rattle now and then, so I don't have my upper stop just right yet. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Tom Parker [mailto:tkparker1941@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:04 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: e.coiner@cox.net; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas pedal mounting question. With the stock throttle rod assy. and a 4160 Holley on a Performer manifold the pedal doesn't quite reach the lower stop (without carpet...). The upper stop doesn't come anywhere near the "U-shaped" throttle upper bar on mine; I've been looking for an excuse to ask the group about that (The cable gets replaced by a Lokar cable once the engine is spun up and I know there are no other problems.). So, Thanks Erich for bringing it up, and, Ron, your thoughts... what am I missing? Tom ' 67 Tiger undergoing reconstruction. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: Erich I'm not sure how this was originally. I found that if the carpet is thin enough you can mount it under the carpet, if the carpet is thick you have to mount it on the top of the carpet or cut the carpet. You never want the carpet or the screws interfering with the action of the pedal. There are 2 stops; 1 high on near the U shaped piece and 1 low for the pedal. I don't have any carpet there at this time but these can go through the carpet. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of e.coiner@cox.net Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:59 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Gas pedal mounting question. A silly question. Does the mount for the throttle pedal go under the carpet or on top of it? I talking about the U shaped piece that is secured to the tranny hump with 3 screws. Same question for the pedal stop that mounts to the side of the tranny hump. Erich _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 13:52:25 2010 From: Jeffrey Nichols To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 12:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Not Your Father's Oldsmobile Engine "Gary is technically correct. The rover v8 started out as the olds 215 rocket v8 in the early 60's and was licensed to rover which then was known as the rover v8 and was put in the TR8. So the basis is actually american with english modifications over the years/" Not many know that Jack Brabham used the engine as a basis for his team's two F1 world championship engines in 1966 and 1967. Brabham hired Repco of Australia to modify the block and install single overhead cam heads on the Oldsmobile block. Here is a link and about half way down is the discussion on the Oldsmobile engine block. http://www.jack-brabham-engines.com/biography.aspx Jeff http://www.jack-brabham-engines.com/biography.aspx _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 14:21:06 2010 From: rab65tiger@aol.com To: michael.s.king@gmail.com, CoolVT@aol.com Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:02:52 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling I have heard, but have no knowledge of two items that have been done to effect handling. 1) utilizing early alpine upper A arms, I was told they were shorter and add camber curve? Also, installing lower fulcrums pins reversed (on purpose) stated to add caster? Anyone have experience with these. I also have a 1977 shop notes, that indicated a upper A arm lowering, and slight angle to affect handling and anti dive (rear end lifting under hard breaking)? I have no experience with these items, but are any bennificial, and worth pursuing? My car also has the Lou Anderson Ackerman kit, corrects Ackerman, reduces turn radius, bump steer maybe worse??? Randy B -----Original Message----- From: michael king To: CoolVT@aol.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:46 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling Adding wider tyres will make the car track.tramline in ruts more.. so that isnt beyond reason. As for the other things.. alignment is likely to be the issue.. how much castor are you running.. adding more castor will help the feel.. are you running toe in or toe out? On 28 August 2010 23:57, wrote: > I've made some changes over the past few years and haven't been satisfied > with the handling. The 2 things that seem different are: > Pretty bad understeer on curves at 40 mph+ > Car's tendency to want to follow ruts in the road. > It seems that the 2 problems are contradictory. > > The things that I've changed from stock are: > MG Midget steering rack > Wheels that were high profile 185 x 13 are now 195 x 50 x16 (front) and > 205 x 50 x16 (rear). > Thicker sway bar on front (I think it's 7/8's") > 1/2" thick shims above the front springs (to raise the front a little > Softened the front shock adjustment because I thought it would be too hard > with low profile tires. > Done an allignment and that seems good. > > Any suggestions? > Mark L > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rab65tiger@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 14:36:33 2010 From: Tom Parker To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 16:12:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas pedal mounting question. Ron, Thanks! I don' got no "flat disk"! The lever arm misses the stop near the valve cover access hole by @ 3/4". I'll have to figure out how to properly make a "disk" to span the distance. (It's somewhat superfluous anyway; the carb has a functioning stop.) The pedal stop, as you said, should be set just at, or just before W.O.T.. Any more and the overly enthusiastic driver might find him / her self without a throttle! (Needle nose pliers and a coat hanger always ride with me... not that I'm overly enthusiastic at my advanced age...) Tom On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Tom > The gas pedal has 1 adjustment at the lever arm. You can set it up > any way you like for wide open throttle and height of the pedal. Adjust it > to a comfortable position and then look for wide open throttle position. > If you don't run at WOT, you don't have to adjust it to get full WOT but you > should be near there for when its needed. > > The upper stop hits the flat disc on the lever arm. I think it is mostly > for a rattle stop and I'm not sure it is really needed in every case. > > My gas pedal has a slight rattle now and then, so I don't have my upper > stop just right yet. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Tom Parker [mailto:tkparker1941@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:04 PM > *To:* rfraser@bluefrog.com > *Cc:* e.coiner@cox.net; tigers@autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Gas pedal mounting question. > > With the stock throttle rod assy. and a 4160 Holley on a Performer manifold > the pedal doesn't quite reach the lower stop (without carpet...). The upper > stop doesn't come anywhere near the "U-shaped" throttle upper bar on mine; > I've been looking for an excuse to ask the group about that (The cable gets > replaced by a Lokar cable once the engine is spun up and I know there are no > other problems.). > > So, Thanks Erich for bringing it up, and, Ron, your thoughts... what am I > missing? > > Tom > ' 67 Tiger undergoing reconstruction. > > On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > >> Erich >> I'm not sure how this was originally. I found that if the carpet >> is thin enough you can mount it under the carpet, if the carpet is thick >> you >> have to mount it on the top of the carpet or cut the carpet. You never >> want >> the carpet or the screws interfering with the action of the pedal. >> >> There are 2 stops; 1 high on near the U shaped piece and 1 low for >> the pedal. I don't have any carpet there at this time but these can go >> through the carpet. >> >> Ron Fraser >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net >> ] >> On Behalf Of e.coiner@cox.net >> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:59 AM >> To: tigers@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Tigers] Gas pedal mounting question. >> >> >> A silly question. >> >> Does the mount for the throttle pedal go under the carpet or on top of it? >> I >> talking about the U shaped piece that is secured to the tranny hump with 3 >> screws. >> >> Same question for the pedal stop that mounts to the side of the tranny >> hump. >> >> Erich _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 15:51:52 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "rab65tiger@aol.com" , Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 16:26:41 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling Hi Randy, I've reversed the lower fulcrum pins as well as mounting the inboard end of the upper control arms lower down. So I get more caster as well as having a more aggressive camber curve. One thing that you need to know about the reversed fulcrum pins is that the lower control arm will come very close to, or hit the crossmember, before it bottoms out against the bump stop. Theo This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 15:52:26 2010 From: Bob Dixon To: Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 15:30:01 -0600 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling I have also heard of lowering one side of the upper A-arm. I can't remember whether it is the front or back bolt that is lowered and by how much. Anyone know the details? Thanks, Bob _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 16:05:59 2010 From: "Jim" To: "'Jeffrey Nichols'" , Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:46:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Not Your Father's Oldsmobile Engine ( off topic ) That brings back some memories... At about the same time as the Brabham-Repco was winning races, I was only 16... and had already decided that someday, I would have a mid-engined V8 kit car.. I think I bought the assembly manual for a Fiberfab Avenger that same year but it was never to be. About 30 years ago, I saw an article in "Hot Rod" about Rod Simpsons SBC powered 914 and I thought Hey... this is GOOD... mid engine, 4 wheel disks and most of what I wanted was already built! Somehow I got sidetracked and realised that a much lighter V8 would be even better and ended up installing a Rover 3500 in a 72 914 complete with 916 flares, Pirelli P7s,etc. ...really done up nice. That thing cornered at about 1G and had 200hp with the new motor actually being about 30 lbs. lighter that the air-cooled 4 that came out. It's still on the road in Texas some where... There's a fellow that lives about 2 hours down the road that used to campaign a Can-Am car based on the Olds block... He flipped it and got severely burned which sort of ended the campaign but he now has a shop fixing mostly British cars and is also the Caterham 7 dealer. The factory Olds was turboed (waay back in 1962, the F85 Jetfire !)so maybe that's why the heads had the extra bolt! The 64 Buick 300 had an iron block but aluminum heads that had bigger valves and still bolted up to the Buick 215 or Rover. You could also use that crank to stroke the 215 . There are a couple aftermarket companies that build up 215s up over 5 liters and I think they use it in the Range Rover to this day. Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols Sent: September 2, 2010 12:34 PM To: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Not Your Father's Oldsmobile Engine "Gary is technically correct. The rover v8 started out as the olds 215 rocket v8 in the early 60's and was licensed to rover which then was known as the rover v8 and was put in the TR8. So the basis is actually american with english modifications over the years/" Not many know that Jack Brabham used the engine as a basis for his team's two F1 world championship engines in 1966 and 1967. Brabham hired Repco of Australia to modify the block and install single overhead cam heads on the Oldsmobile block. Here is a link and about half way down is the discussion on the Oldsmobile engine block. http://www.jack-brabham-engines.com/biography.aspx Jeff http://www.jack-brabham-engines.com/biography.aspx _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 16:23:55 2010 From: "Jim" To: "'Bob Dixon'" , Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 15:01:59 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling Hi Bob For what they call the competition setup, it's actually both bolts are lowered. I'm running it that way on my car. I have the old tech tip on paper... thought I had scanned it.... if you want a copy I can scan it and post it somewhere...or e-mail it to you... Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Dixon Sent: September 2, 2010 2:30 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling I have also heard of lowering one side of the upper A-arm. I can't remember whether it is the front or back bolt that is lowered and by how much. Anyone know the details? Thanks, Bob _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 17:52:36 2010 From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:36:01 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] What's a Tiger Worth? Listers, Many listers have bought, sold, or lusted after a Tiger. As a high end equipped car baseline, please send your market estimate for an example car to the List, so all may apply the information to their own situation, to buy, refurbish, or sell their own car. * 1965 Mk I Tiger - Never raced/wrecked/dented * TAC'd * Original California Car - hasn't left the state. * No "Bondo". No rust. No where! * Period correct American Silverstone mag wheels, as in the Ken Miles Tiger prototype. * Serviced by Ken Miles, Phil Hill, Dan Walters. * Still has original "Hollywood Sport Cars" license frame. * Recently Repainted with Original Factory Color in modern paint. * Factory Hard Top body color with new headliner and factory sun visors * Original seats and interior in great condition. * 260 V-8, original engine * Folding Top, original * Original Tool kit * Mk II transmission * LAT-1 4 barrel & Edelbrock High Rise * LAT-2 Air cleaner and aluminum "Tiger" valve covers (LAT-8) * LAT 5 weld-on Traction Masters * LAT 6,000 rpm tachometer * Smiths Ammeter * Smiths dash clock * Original Back-up Lights * Lucas Tri-pod headlights * Amber/red tail lights, front turn signals. (Euro Stock) * Original Remote Oil Filter M-6880-A50 and FL1A MotorCraft Filter * Motorsport Right Angle Filter oil filter adapter. * LAT-7/8" Traction Master Front Sway Bar * LAT-79 Fiberglass Hood (Bonnet) * Koni adjustable shocks on all wheels * AM/FM Stereo radio (not original, but fits like one) * All trim fasteners, snaps, etc. with limited load are polished stainless * High end silver car cover for sun, storage, or daily use. Close fitting and seems like nylon. Mercedes Benz accessory manufacturer. Uninstalled: * Original Armstrong Shocks * LAT-50 Dana Limited slip differential * Original Mk I Transmission * Original steel hood - fresh body color * Original Ford intake manifold * Original Ford 2 BBL carburettor Yes, it's my car. I am trying to make sure my classic car insurance will cover theft or fire or totaled. Besides, I would think the group value estimates will aid any owner contemplating a buy, upgrade, insurance, or sale would like a view on the list market value opinion. Item pricing would be appreciated by Listers, so that they can "assemble" their own equipment for an estimate of their car. Thanks, Steve Laifman /*http://tigersunited.com/*/ _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 18:23:55 2010 From: Tom Parker To: Steve Laifman Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 20:06:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What's a Tiger Worth? Steve, The NADA Classic Car value, High Retail is $60,500. http://www.nadaguides.com/default.aspx?LI=1-22-1-5013-0-0-0&l=1&w=22&p=1&f=5014&y=1965&m=1335&d=5627&c=7&vi=87336&z=30120&da=1 >From your description I'd guess a bit more than that, even considering the terrible economy. Tom On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Steve Laifman wrote: > Listers, > > Many listers have bought, sold, or lusted after a Tiger. As a high end > equipped car baseline, please send your market estimate for an example > car to the List, so all may apply the information to their own > situation, to buy, refurbish, or sell their own car. > > * 1965 Mk I Tiger - Never raced/wrecked/dented > * TAC'd > * Original California Car - hasn't left the state. > * No "Bondo". No rust. No where! > * Period correct American Silverstone mag wheels, as in the Ken > Miles Tiger prototype. > * Serviced by Ken Miles, Phil Hill, Dan Walters. > * Still has original "Hollywood Sport Cars" license frame. > * Recently Repainted with Original Factory Color in modern paint. > * Factory Hard Top body color with new headliner and factory sun visors > * Original seats and interior in great condition. > * 260 V-8, original engine > * Folding Top, original > * Original Tool kit > * Mk II transmission > * LAT-1 4 barrel & Edelbrock High Rise > * LAT-2 Air cleaner and aluminum "Tiger" valve covers (LAT-8) > * LAT 5 weld-on Traction Masters > * LAT 6,000 rpm tachometer > * Smiths Ammeter > * Smiths dash clock > * Original Back-up Lights > * Lucas Tri-pod headlights > * Amber/red tail lights, front turn signals. (Euro Stock) > * Original Remote Oil Filter M-6880-A50 and FL1A MotorCraft Filter > * Motorsport Right Angle Filter oil filter adapter. > * LAT-7/8" Traction Master Front Sway Bar > * LAT-79 Fiberglass Hood (Bonnet) > * Koni adjustable shocks on all wheels > * AM/FM Stereo radio (not original, but fits like one) > * All trim fasteners, snaps, etc. with limited load are polished > stainless > * High end silver car cover for sun, storage, or daily use. Close > fitting and seems like nylon. Mercedes Benz accessory manufacturer. > > Uninstalled: > > * Original Armstrong Shocks > * LAT-50 Dana Limited slip differential > * Original Mk I Transmission > * Original steel hood - fresh body color > * Original Ford intake manifold > * Original Ford 2 BBL carburettor > > Yes, it's my car. I am trying to make sure my classic car insurance will > cover theft or fire or totaled. > Besides, I would think the group value estimates will aid any owner > contemplating a buy, upgrade, insurance, or sale would like a view on > the list market value opinion. Item pricing would be appreciated by > Listers, so that they can "assemble" their own equipment for an estimate > of their car. > > Thanks, > > Steve Laifman > /*http://tigersunited.com/*/ > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 18:37:13 2010 From: George Re To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 00:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Caliper rebuild ? I am rebuilding my calipers but am having trouble getting the dust seal (cover ) in what is the correct order to rebuild them and is there any tricks to get the dust seal in. Thanks george _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 20:07:56 2010 From: "Scattt" To: "Jeffrey Nichols" , Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:42:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Not Your Father's Oldsmobile Engine If I remember correctly this same engine was licensed to American Motors about 66/68 and was cast in iron. They used in the CJ-5 Jeeps! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:34 PM Subject: [Tigers] Not Your Father's Oldsmobile Engine > > "Gary is technically correct. The rover v8 started out as the olds 215 > rocket v8 in the early 60's and was licensed to rover which then was known > as the rover v8 and was put in the TR8. So the basis is actually american > with english modifications over the years/" > > Not many know that Jack Brabham used the engine as a basis for his team's > two > F1 world championship engines in 1966 and 1967. Brabham hired Repco of > Australia to modify the block and install single overhead cam heads on the > Oldsmobile block. Here is a link and about half way down is the > discussion on > the Oldsmobile engine block. > > http://www.jack-brabham-engines.com/biography.aspx > > Jeff > > > http://www.jack-brabham-engines.com/biography.aspx > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/scattt@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 20:24:32 2010 From: "Buck Trippel" To: Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 19:01:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] TU 2011 As many of you already know, the 2011 TU will be held in Long Beach, California, June 16-19th. (TUXXXIII) The Queen Mary will be the host hotel and reservations are now being taken. Our entire block has already been reserved but we've been able to arrange with the hotel to have more rooms added to our block, while keeping our special rate ($125/night for a Deluxe Stateroom). This will not be extended indefinitely. I apologize to those who tried to reserve a room but were refused when the block filled. If you still have a problem, please contact me off list. thanks, Buck Trippel _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 2 21:29:18 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'George Re'" , Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 22:56:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Caliper rebuild ? George the dust seal groove needs to be very clean and very dry to get that seal in correctly. Yes it can be tricky getting that seal in and correctly seated. I install the piston seal, then the dust seal, lube the seals with brake fluid then install the piston. Hope that helps Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Re Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:14 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Caliper rebuild ? I am rebuilding my calipers but am having trouble getting the dust seal (cover ) in what is the correct order to rebuild them and is there any tricks to get the dust seal in. Thanks george _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 3 06:40:08 2010 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 08:17:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] the Buick 215 Hi, A couple of things about the discussion about the 215 CID GM V8. A lot of this user group talk references the motor as an Oldsmobile brand, for some reason. If anyone has any knowledge about what visual aspects separated a early 1960's Buick motor from the other GM brands, they would not make this error. Buick motors were characterized by having the rocker covers on the same plain. i.e. facing straight up, not angled away from each other, as SBF and other GM brands looked. The 215 CID was decidedly a Buick design shared initially with another GM compact, the F-85. I'm not sure about the early Tempests, but the 1963 version used a Pontiac 326, while 1963 was the last for the Buick Special/Skylark(the compact)using the 215 V8. The GM compacts all switched to different motors unique to each brand, and Chevelle was also added, for 1964 when the redesigned A Body(Olds 442, GTO, Malibu, Skylark) was introduced. If you don't have early Buick Special picture to compare, look at a photo of an early Morgan Plus 8 motor. The aluminum 215 V8 garnered a bad reputation shortly after its introduction, for aluminum scraps ending up in the crankcase and cooling system. This, connected to the fact that GM hated the added expense of producing an aluminum motor, explains why GM only used this motor for three model years. In 1963, my dad was shopping for a new car for my mom, and looked(and liked) the Buick Special. But a Consumer Reports article really discouraged him from getting a car with that motor, and he ended up moving upscale to a fullsize Buick with cast iron 401 CID. Land Rover WAS the last manufacturer to use a variation of this motor, on the Discovery model, but dumped it around 2005, when the LR3 replaced the Discovery. The LR3 started using a Jaguar 4.4 litre V8, and IIRC, the current model series Range Rover uses a BMW V8. The Brits clearly did nearly the lions share of the development work on the Buick small V8. Five years ago, a Land Rover engineer, at an auto show, told me that if you were to place the then-current 4.2 litre version next to the original 3.5 litre(215), you'd be hard pressed to find any similarities. RB _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 3 07:12:39 2010 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 08:50:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 215 V8 and AMC There is something about the CJ-5 and a Buick motor that I remember reading about, but can't verify. As for the AMC connection, I think the motors that AMC used (the 290 and 343 in the years 1966 and 1967) were of their own design. 1966 was the first year you could get a Rambler American, their compact, with a V8. I had summer job in 1966 at the AMC dealer in San Fernando(San Fernando Road). I applied to wash cars, they asked if I would like to SELL cars (can you spell Demo), and what do you think I said. A V8 compact American was such a big deal to this dealer that they campaigned a Rogue hardtop with a 290 V8 four speed at San Fernando drags( long gone), and driven by one of the dealership technicians. So, I remember the AMC V8's. And demos? Would you believe they entrusted an 18 year old kid with among other things, a '65 Mustang 2+2 289 four speed, a '58 Continental, a '64 Thunderbird convertible( black with black vinyl interior, black top, no A/C, in August. There's a reason why L.A. people buy white cars and tint the windows). RB _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 3 07:13:21 2010 From: Randy Smith To: rande@thecia.net Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 08:53:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] the Buick 215 Back in the 60's, we called this engine the "BOP" aluminum V-8 (Buick, Olds, Pontiac). When I was in high school, one of my buddies and I put one in a Morris Minor (the wood-trimmed wagon model). It looked great and was quite the sleeper. Not sure where that car ever ended up! -Randy On 9/3/2010 8:17 AM, rande wrote: > Hi, > A couple of things about the discussion about the 215 CID GM V8. A lot of this > user group talk references the motor as an Oldsmobile brand, for some reason. > If anyone has any knowledge about what visual aspects separated a early 1960's > Buick motor from the other GM brands, they would not make this error. Buick > motors were characterized by having the rocker covers on the same plain. i.e. > facing straight up, not angled away from each other, as SBF and other GM brands > looked. The 215 CID was decidedly a Buick design shared initially with another > GM compact, the F-85. I'm not sure about the early Tempests, but the 1963 version > used a Pontiac 326, while 1963 was the last for the Buick Special/Skylark(the > compact)using the 215 V8. The GM compacts all switched to different motors unique > to each brand, and Chevelle was also added, for 1964 when the redesigned A Body(Olds > 442, GTO, Malibu, Skylark) was introduced. If you don't have early Buick Special > picture to compare, look at a photo of an early Morgan Plus 8 motor. > > The aluminum 215 V8 garnered a bad reputation shortly after its introduction, > for aluminum scraps ending up in the crankcase and cooling system. This, connected > to the fact that GM hated the added expense of producing an aluminum motor, > explains why GM only used this motor for three model years. In 1963, my dad > was shopping for a new car for my mom, and looked(and liked) the Buick Special. > But a Consumer Reports article really discouraged him from getting a car with > that motor, and he ended up moving upscale to a fullsize Buick with cast iron > 401 CID. > > Land Rover WAS the last manufacturer to use a variation of this motor, on the > Discovery model, but dumped it around 2005, when the LR3 replaced the Discovery. > The LR3 started using a Jaguar 4.4 litre V8, and IIRC, the current model series > Range Rover uses a BMW V8. > > The Brits clearly did nearly the lions share of the development work on the > Buick small V8. Five years ago, a Land Rover engineer, at an auto show, told > me that if you were to place the then-current 4.2 litre version next to the > original 3.5 litre(215), you'd be hard pressed to find any similarities. > > RB -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ@cs.com Tiger- B382000189 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 3 07:28:20 2010 From: George Re To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 13:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Caliper Torque settings I have been looking for the torque for the bolts on the calipers ( the bolts that hold them together) and have not found them does anyone know the the setting are? Thanks Again George _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 3 07:41:33 2010 From: Howard gentry To: Scattt , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 06:31:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Not Your Father's Oldsmobile Engine Hi, This engine was also used in the MGB-GT. The Stromberg carbs were terrible. zym The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Thu, 9/2/10, Scattt wrote: From: Scattt Subject: Re: [Tigers] Not Your Father's Oldsmobile Engine To: "Jeffrey Nichols" , Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010, 9:42 PM If I remember correctly this same engine was licensed to American Motors about 66/68 and was cast in iron. They used in the CJ-5 Jeeps! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:34 PM Subject: [Tigers] Not Your Father's Oldsmobile Engine > > "Gary is technically correct. The rover v8 started out as the olds 215 > rocket v8 in the early 60's and was licensed to rover which then was known > as the rover v8 and was put in the TR8. So the basis is actually american > with english modifications over the years/" > > Not many know that Jack Brabham used the engine as a basis for his team's two > F1 world championship engines in 1966 and 1967. Brabham hired Repco of > Australia to modify the block and install single overhead cam heads on the > Oldsmobile block. Here is a link and about half way down is the discussion on > the Oldsmobile engine block. > > http://www.jack-brabham-engines.com/biography.aspx > > Jeff > > > http://www.jack-brabham-engines.com/biography.aspx > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/scattt@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/zymmer4@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 3 08:08:46 2010 From: Gabbard Gabbard To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 06:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] the Buick-Pontiac-Olds 215 ________________________________ About the Buick-Pontiac-Olds 215 The engine remains a milestone in American automotive technology in that it was the first all-aluminum V8 designed specifically for volume production and established itself well in the market, becoming the basis of an F-1 champion and many other applications domestic and foreign due to its favorable power to weight ratio and performance potential. The Buick engine was a much scaled down variant of the supercharged, hemi piston Le Sabre/XP-300 show cars of the time. I owned a 1962 F-85 with the Olds engine and remain impressed with its reliability and performance, no doubt the reason the engine remained in production as long as it did. The engine's history: the block and internals were initially designed by Buick engineers but Olds engineers designed their own heads, valve train and pistons, giving their block and head design a 6 bolt pattern around each combustion chamber rather than 5 as in the Buick design, illustrating that, at that time (1960-61), each GM division had considerable autonomy in designing its products. Consequently, the Olds 215 is different from the Buick-Pontiac engine, stronger and more powerful, and was the basis of Brabham's Repco built F-1 World Champion. Torque of the Olds 215 introduced in 1961 delivered 220 lb-ft versus Buick's 210, 155 hp vs Buick's 150, largely due to Olds using flat-top pistons while Buick used dished pistons. The Buick powered Mickey Thompson's Indy 500 entries in the early 1960s as challengers to Ford's 260 based Lotus-Ford that revolutionized Brickyard entries from traditional roadsters to rear engine layouts. (See my book Indy's Wildest Decade) Alex Gabbard _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 3 08:09:12 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'George Re'" , Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 09:48:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Caliper Torque settings George The torque numbers are listed in the Shop Manual Section K. Inner - 60 lb ft Outer - 45 lb ft Seems contrary that the Manual states to never separate the caliper and then give you the torque settings for the bolts. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Re Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 9:00 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Caliper Torque settings I have been looking for the torque for the bolts on the calipers ( the bolts that hold them together) and have not found them does anyone know the the setting are? Thanks Again George _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3110 - Release Date: 09/03/10 06:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 3 08:27:06 2010 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 7:07:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas pedal mounting question. I received a very concise answer privately. >From the factory the throttle mount was under the carpet and the throttle stop was on top. Thank you to all. Erich ---- e.coiner@cox.net wrote: > A silly question. > > Does the mount for the throttle pedal go under the carpet or on top of it? > I talking about the U shaped piece that is secured to the tranny hump with 3 screws. > > Same question for the pedal stop that mounts to the side of the tranny hump. > > Erich _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 3 15:54:45 2010 From: Steve Laifman To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:36:37 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] "My Father's" Oldsmobile Engine Tigers, I am very familiar with the "Olds V-8", however this is the red 1949 Oldsmobile 88 convertible my father owned, and let me drive. It had the "Rocket V-8 engine". This was from the higher compression version of the "98 series and the "light weight (4,000 Lbs) 303 CID for $2300, with the optional high compression version. It sported a red body/upholstery. It was proclaimed the NASCAR Crown and Mexican Road Race class wins. With four wheel coil springs, the car leaped up and forward under acceleration. Well, when I was driving it, I had a "Stop Light Grand Prix". Even with the 4 spd Hydramatic, I thought it was slow off the line. Soooo I revved up the engine in neutral, and when the stop light turned green I dumped it into "Low". I saw the competition's disappearing tail lights, and heard a large "thump". Well, I had broken both sets of u-joints, and the drive shaft was lying in the road. Had it towed to the Olds dealer, and he replaced all "U" joints and drive shaft. I told my father that a part failed (and not why). That's when I learned to rev the engine in low with the brakes on, then let it go. And it surely went. I learned 2 lessons. Don't dump the engine into gear. Don't get caught telling your father a lie. He didn't catch me, but I felt really bad about it. (See the story at "My Life With Cars". Have your sound on for the great music, The other pages have interesting stories as well. /http://tigersunited.com/articles/sl-mc/stevelaifman2.asp / _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 4 07:29:41 2010 From: Carmods@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 09:04:36 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Need a Tiger Rotisserie Drawing Art Bonsignore has retired and wants to build a rotisserie for his Tiger. Does anyone have a drawing of a good one that he could use? John Logan _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 4 16:03:03 2010 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 17:47:12 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion I was looking through a Street Rod magazine today and kept noticing ads for Mustang II complete front end assemblies for under $1,400. Has anyone tried adapting one to a Tiger? Mark L _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 4 16:46:34 2010 From: "Buck Trippel" To: , Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2010 15:27:35 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion Several years ago, I had a long chat about putting a Mustang II front suspension in a Tiger with Brent, the owner of Fat Man Fabrications which is one of the largest companies specializing in Mustang II front ends. They have dozens of kits for many applications. (see http://www.fatmanfab.com/index.htm ) Brent is a mechanical engineer and really understands the Mustang II suspension. In the small world department, Brent owned a sports car repair business prior to founding Fat Man. He worked on Tigers and Alpines. He's not a stranger to Sunbeam. Twice he's tried to put the Mustang II front suspension into different Tigers and twice he failed. He's come to the conclusion that it can't be done properly. Then a little over a year ago Dale A. tried the same task and he came up with the same conclusion that Brent had: It can't be done properly in a Tiger. This lead Dale to start with a clean sheet of paper which lead to his new suspension that Rob G wrote about a week or so ago. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 2:47 PM Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion >I was looking through a Street Rod magazine today and kept noticing ads > for Mustang II complete front end assemblies for under $1,400. Has > anyone > tried adapting one to a Tiger? > Mark L > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 4 17:00:55 2010 From: Clarkwgriswold To: "Carmods@aol.com" Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 17:31:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Need a Tiger Rotisserie Drawing Hi John. I don't have a special rotisserie design for sunbeams... But I thought I'd mention that as far as rotisseries go, the "autotwirler" is available I think for about 900 unpainted/not powder coated. I have tried to build one just like my friends auto twirler and you almost can't buy the material alone for that, if you consider the heavy duty casters, and the spit itself is fully adjustable in each direction. Of course I built mine for my tiger as well but I can't say it's anything special or unique to tigers.. It had a first gen mustang on it prior to the tiger. Anyway... Just a thought. Good luck! Cullen Sent from my mobile... On Sep 4, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Carmods@aol.com wrote: > Art Bonsignore has retired and wants to build a rotisserie for his Tiger. > Does anyone have a drawing of a good one that he could use? > > > > John Logan > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/clarkwgriswold2nd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 4 17:18:47 2010 From: "Mike Hokanson" To: Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 15:50:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion I initially conceived and designed a complete custom front suspension back in late 2005/early 2006 that would bolt in the Tiger shell (story about the project can be read at Toyzjunkie.com). There is a lot more to the project than what one can imagine. I spent a large amount of time, money and effort to design and build the crossmember and associated parts. Several pieces to a Mustang II setup need to be relocated and cannot be used due to control arm length, steering rack location that will accommodate the small block Ford, control arm inboard pickup points, etc. The list of changes goes on and on. The Tiger's shell doesn't allow much room to deal with massive changes and I did not want to design the setup that would alter the car (no welding, cutting or drilling). Our project was configured years ago and I have a couple generations of the project in different form. It has been highly sought after and demand has been high, creating a backlog that I've been working through even to this day. One individual insisted that his namesake allow him to jump the line and obtain one immediately, but I would not allow that. Then a couple of Tiger-specific restorers pressured me to release the jigs, fixtures, cad drawings, patterns and have me relinquish the project to be controlled in the Southern California area. Shortly after I denied to allow that to happen in late 2008, the design was copied, claimed to be new and has surfaced in a very similar form to what I designed years earlier. So, to answer your initial question, no. It was easier to design and build a new setup that fit the car and have a setup that is fully adjustable for infinite/quick alignment changes. Mike Hokanson Northern Nevada ----- Original Message ----- From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 2:47 PM Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion I was looking through a Street Rod magazine today and kept noticing ads for Mustang II complete front end assemblies for under $1,400. Has anyone tried adapting one to a Tiger? Mark L _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/hokey@oasisol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 4 18:02:20 2010 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: BuckTrippel@Verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 19:34:05 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion Thank you. That answers that question. Mark L In a message dated 9/4/2010 6:27:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, BuckTrippel@Verizon.net writes: Several years ago, I had a long chat about putting a Mustang II front suspension in a Tiger with Brent, the owner of Fat Man Fabrications which is one of the largest companies specializing in Mustang II front ends. They have dozens of kits for many applications. (see http://www.fatmanfab.com/index.htm ) Brent is a mechanical engineer and really understands the Mustang II suspension. In the small world department, Brent owned a sports car repair business prior to founding Fat Man. He worked on Tigers and Alpines. He's not a stranger to Sunbeam. Twice he's tried to put the Mustang II front suspension into different Tigers and twice he failed. He's come to the conclusion that it can't be done properly. Then a little over a year ago Dale A. tried the same task and he came up with the same conclusion that Brent had: It can't be done properly in a Tiger. This lead Dale to start with a clean sheet of paper which lead to his new suspension that Rob G wrote about a week or so ago. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 2:47 PM Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion >I was looking through a Street Rod magazine today and kept noticing ads > for Mustang II complete front end assemblies for under $1,400. Has > anyone > tried adapting one to a Tiger? > Mark L > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 4 18:02:50 2010 From: "Buck Trippel" To: "Mike Hokanson" , Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2010 16:41:59 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion Mike, I'm confused. You wrote to the list you about 2 years ago that you were ending your crossmember project. Are you taking orders again? Buck Trippel On Nov 16, 2008 Mike Hokanson wrote: I've rec'd e-mail concerning the rumor from a couple of Tiger owners that I might be ceasing the fabrication of the custom IFS units that bolt into the Tiger. Yes, the rumor is true. Due to my other projects and upcoming priorities, it appears I will shut down the project here in the very near future. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hokanson" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion >I initially conceived and designed a complete custom front suspension back >in > late 2005/early 2006 that would bolt in the Tiger shell (story about the > project can be read at Toyzjunkie.com). There is a lot more to the > project > than what one can imagine. I spent a large amount of time, money and > effort > to design and build the crossmember and associated parts. Several pieces > to a > Mustang II setup need to be relocated and cannot be used due to control > arm > length, steering rack location that will accommodate the small block Ford, > control arm inboard pickup points, etc. The list of changes goes on and > on. > The Tiger's shell doesn't allow much room to deal with massive changes and > I > did not want to design the setup that would alter the car (no welding, > cutting > or drilling). Our project was configured years ago and I have a couple > generations of the project in different form. It has been highly sought > after > and demand has been high, creating a backlog that I've been working > through > even to this day. One individual insisted that his namesake allow him to > jump > the line and obtain one immediately, but I would not allow that. Then a > couple of Tiger-specific restorers pressured me to release the jigs, > fixtures, > cad drawings, patterns and have me relinquish the project to be controlled > in > the Southern California area. Shortly after I denied to allow that to > happen > in late 2008, the design was copied, claimed to be new and has surfaced in > a > very similar form to what I designed years earlier. So, to answer your > initial question, no. It was easier to design and build a new setup that > fit > the car and have a setup that is fully adjustable for infinite/quick > alignment > changes. > > Mike Hokanson > Northern Nevada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: CoolVT@aol.com > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 2:47 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion > > > > I was looking through a Street Rod magazine today and kept noticing ads > for Mustang II complete front end assemblies for under $1,400. Has > anyone > tried adapting one to a Tiger? > Mark L > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/hokey@oasisol.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 5 09:18:47 2010 From: Randy Smith To: Tiger List Serve Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 11:02:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Alternator question I've been researching an alternator upgrade for my car. I've tried to read all the archives and articles and I've re-read the article in 3/09 Classic Motorsports Mag. I really like the idea of using a small, 55amp, 3-wire Denso. Here's my question. When I try to source this smaller Denso, it appears that I need to get into the early 90's cars (Geo and Toyota), but these all come with multi-groove pulleys. If I go back into the early 80's, I can get a single "V" groove pulley, but the alternator has a bit larger case. I'm certain there is a V-groove pulley for this smaller style alternator (they also seem to use them on tractors, etc.), but I'm having trouble tracking it down. Has anyone solved this problem? Anyone have a part number for the small Denso with the correct pulley or a source for a V-groove pulley that fits the alternator? Thanks- Randy -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ@cs.com Tiger- B382000189 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 5 09:48:42 2010 From: "Dave Munroe" To: "Randy Smith" , "Tiger List Serve" Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 12:28:15 -0300 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alternator question Randy: One of the most popular alternators for hot rodded cars around here is the Delco unit for the 1965 Corvette high-output (62 amp) unit that can be used as a 1 or 3-wire hook-up, your choice. They are so popular that most automotive electric shops carry them in-stock. Mine cost me $72 after a $40 core refund when I turned in my old one a couple of months ago. (Then you can rightfully attend gatherings of all of the "Big 3", as well as Brit Car meets, having parts from Ford, Chrysler and GM aboard!) Dave Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 12:02 PM Subject: [Tigers] Alternator question > I've been researching an alternator upgrade for my car. I've tried to > read all the archives and articles and I've re-read the article in 3/09 > Classic Motorsports Mag. I really like the idea of using a small, > 55amp, 3-wire Denso. Here's my question. When I try to source this > smaller Denso, it appears that I need to get into the early 90's cars > (Geo and Toyota), but these all come with multi-groove pulleys. If I go > back into the early 80's, I can get a single "V" groove pulley, but the > alternator has a bit larger case. I'm certain there is a V-groove > pulley for this smaller style alternator (they also seem to use them on > tractors, etc.), but I'm having trouble tracking it down. Has anyone > solved this problem? Anyone have a part number for the small Denso with > the correct pulley or a source for a V-groove pulley that fits the > alternator? > > Thanks- Randy _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 5 10:04:43 2010 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: RSSmithIQ@cs.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 11:48:16 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alternator question Randy, A small one is Denso #210-0107. It's designed for the Toyota 4 Runner, has V-belt and is 60 amps. Mark L In a message dated 9/5/2010 11:18:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, RSSmithIQ@cs.com writes: I've been researching an alternator upgrade for my car. I've tried to read all the archives and articles and I've re-read the article in 3/09 Classic Motorsports Mag. I really like the idea of using a small, 55amp, 3-wire Denso. Here's my question. When I try to source this smaller Denso, it appears that I need to get into the early 90's cars (Geo and Toyota), but these all come with multi-groove pulleys. If I go back into the early 80's, I can get a single "V" groove pulley, but the alternator has a bit larger case. I'm certain there is a V-groove pulley for this smaller style alternator (they also seem to use them on tractors, etc.), but I'm having trouble tracking it down. Has anyone solved this problem? Anyone have a part number for the small Denso with the correct pulley or a source for a V-groove pulley that fits the alternator? Thanks- Randy -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ@cs.com Tiger- B382000189 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 5 21:50:22 2010 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 20:23:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion There was an Alpine (Alger) at the Knott's Ford show that had a Volvo crossmember (142/144 ???) adapted to it. I don't know all that was involved, but the guy was happy with the performance. Having owned a 544 (and knowing Volvo never changed stuff much) I can attest that the setup looks quite similar to the Sunbeam. > I was looking through a Street Rod magazine today and kept noticing ads > for Mustang II complete front end assemblies for under $1,400. Has > anyone > tried adapting one to a Tiger? > Mark L _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 6 07:32:21 2010 From: Stephen Waybright To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 06:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger? Can anyone tell me a little it about why this car is being sold as a conversion (Alger)? It sure looks to have all the correct Tiger bits and pieces, so what is it about the car that has "doomed" it to be flagged as a conversion? http://www.specialtysales.com/1965-sunbeam-tiger-conversion--c-2803.htm Stephen Waybright _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 6 08:02:47 2010 From: michael king To: Stephen Waybright Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 23:37:27 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger? Steve, I'm not sure of the specifics of "what" caused this car to be outed.. but it apparently was accepted as a Tiger and won some awards for the quality of workmanship on it.. before it was either discovered, or uncovered that at some point it has either had its VIn swapped to another bosy (not of tiger origins) or was repaired in such a way that removed the evidence of the rootes modifications to create a Tiger.. perhaps one of the people who know the full story might disclose it.. but the car features on norms site.. so maybe contact him On 6 September 2010 23:16, Stephen Waybright wrote: > Can anyone tell me a little it about why this car is being sold as a > conversion (Alger)? It sure looks to have all the correct Tiger bits and > pieces, so what is it about the car that has "doomed" it to be flagged as a > conversion? > > http://www.specialtysales.com/1965-sunbeam-tiger-conversion--c-2803.htm > > Stephen Waybright > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 6 08:19:05 2010 From: Tom Parker To: Stephen Waybright Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 09:58:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger? Stephen, Absent a TAC inspection we probably can't determine its origin. The one thing that stands out is the serial number. The 10 digit number is in the Tiger 1966 range, but the plate says its right hand drive (RXFE), which it clearly isn't. It could've been converted from right hand drive to left hand drive, of course. Tom ' 67 Mark 2 undergoing reconstruction On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Stephen Waybright wrote: > Can anyone tell me a little it about why this car is being sold as a > conversion (Alger)? It sure looks to have all the correct Tiger bits and > pieces, so what is it about the car that has "doomed" it to be flagged as a > conversion? > > http://www.specialtysales.com/1965-sunbeam-tiger-conversion--c-2803.htm > > Stephen Waybright > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 6 08:43:07 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: Stephen Waybright , michael king Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 07:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger? Steve and Mike- to the best of my memory, which is not anything dependable, it seems the original ALGER tag was attached from information from Norm and his collection of information. I may be wrong, so I apologize NOW in case I have said something untrue. It just what I recall and again, I wouldn't bet the farm unless I had it saved in a file etc etc. regards, TonytheTiger (Tony Lang) ? > > http://www.specialtysales.com/1965-sunbeam-tiger-conversion--c-2803.htm > > Stephen Waybright > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 6 09:37:19 2010 From: FHSLOTH13@aol.com To: gswaybright@yahoo.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:07:52 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger? I asked the seller a question pertaining to the VIN plate being from a MKIA on what he calls a "conversion". He said the decision was made when the car was restored to use the MKIA VIN plate. So how could it be a conversion? I think he meant "conversion" to be defined as any change to the original stock-equipped car. I don't think he meant it in the sense that we usually mean, i.e., a V-6 conversion. Fred Baum In a message dated 9/6/2010 9:32:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gswaybright@yahoo.com writes: Can anyone tell me a little it about why this car is being sold as a conversion (Alger)? It sure looks to have all the correct Tiger bits and pieces, so what is it about the car that has "doomed" it to be flagged as a conversion? http://www.specialtysales.com/1965-sunbeam-tiger-conversion--c-2803.htm Stephen Waybright _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fhsloth13@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 6 10:06:23 2010 From: Tom Parker To: FHSLOTH13@aol.com Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:42:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger? Going back to a previous thread, does that mean he switched VIN plates with another car? Tom (If the plate's correct, he did "convert" the car... from right hand drive to left hand drive.) On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 11:07 AM, wrote: > I asked the seller a question pertaining to the VIN plate being from a MKIA > on what he calls a "conversion". He said the decision was made when the > car was restored to use the MKIA VIN plate. > > So how could it be a conversion? I think he meant "conversion" to be > defined as any change to the original stock-equipped car. I don't think he > meant > it in the sense that we usually mean, i.e., a V-6 conversion. > > Fred Baum > > > In a message dated 9/6/2010 9:32:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > gswaybright@yahoo.com writes: > > Can anyone tell me a little it about why this car is being sold as a > conversion (Alger)? It sure looks to have all the correct Tiger bits and > pieces, > so what is it about the car that has "doomed" it to be flagged as a > conversion? > > http://www.specialtysales.com/1965-sunbeam-tiger-conversion--c-2803.htm > > Stephen Waybright > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fhsloth13@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 6 10:25:47 2010 From: mike schreiner To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 08:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] The "alger" It is being touted as an "ALger" because Norm says so...even tho he has never seen it or inspected it....the self appointed expert has declared another car he has never seen an Alger...he did that years ago to Dr. Steve Jaffe in Florida....It was a real Tiger as I know the car for many years...Steve still has it and would like to sell it but can't because Norm labelled it as a "possible convereson" If you doubt me ask Steve (who owns several Tigers and Alpines and never has owned a Clone car. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 6 10:52:12 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Stephen Waybright'" , Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 12:21:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger? Steve This car is listed on Norm's web site in Alger Alley. http://www.rootes1.com/ Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Waybright Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 9:17 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger? Can anyone tell me a little it about why this car is being sold as a conversion (Alger)? It sure looks to have all the correct Tiger bits and pieces, so what is it about the car that has "doomed" it to be flagged as a conversion? http://www.specialtysales.com/1965-sunbeam-tiger-conversion--c-2803.htm Stephen Waybright _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3111 - Release Date: 09/03/10 06:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 6 10:52:29 2010 From: "Kirk Smith" To: "'Tom Parker'" , Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 09:23:45 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger? Tom, You missed the 'L' in LRXFE. It's a left hand drive car (or, at least, VIN plate) ... Kirk -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Parker Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 6:59 AM To: Stephen Waybright Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger? Stephen, Absent a TAC inspection we probably can't determine its origin. The one thing that stands out is the serial number. The 10 digit number is in the Tiger 1966 range, but the plate says its right hand drive (RXFE), which it clearly isn't. It could've been converted from right hand drive to left hand drive, of course. Tom ' 67 Mark 2 undergoing reconstruction On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Stephen Waybright wrote: > Can anyone tell me a little it about why this car is being sold as a > conversion (Alger)? It sure looks to have all the correct Tiger bits and > pieces, so what is it about the car that has "doomed" it to be flagged as a > conversion? > > http://www.specialtysales.com/1965-sunbeam-tiger-conversion--c-2803.htm > > Stephen Waybright > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twotigers@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 6 12:17:00 2010 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 13:59:03 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Flowers for the "alger"non "It is being touted as an "ALger" because Norm says so...even tho he has never seen it or inspected it....the self appointed expert has declared another car he has never seen an Alger...he did that years ago to Dr. Steve Jaffe in Florida....It was a real Tiger as I know the car for many years...Steve still has it and would like to sell it but can't because Norm labelled it as a "possible convereson" " In both cases you mention there is a very easy way to solve the issue of possible fakery. Have both cars go through a TAC inspection. Norm most likely has info that both cars can't pass a TAC like inspection. That explains why he doubts the cars authenticity even though he has never seen them. In the early 1980's I watched as a Tiger was going through the process of being "restored". The Tiger was very rusty and the donor Alpine was very solid and rust free. Many months later, there was a very nice looking Tiger and a pile of rusted out body parts along with a hacked up Alpine/Tiger chassis. I have no doubt that the owner was sure he now had a "real" Tiger and its been a Tiger for many years. Jeff _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 6 13:20:50 2010 From: Clarkwgriswold To: Jeffrey Nichols Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 13:50:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Flowers for the "alger"non > ".....Many months later, there was a very nice looking Tiger and a pile of rusted out body parts along with a hacked up > Alpine/Tiger chassis. ......" Using this car as an example.....And I know this is semantics.... But it makes a difference to me. I pose this critical question... One that no one seems to be able to answer. Were tiger pieces put on an alpine... Or were alpine pieces put on a tiger? ( hypothetically) Anyone reading this list who had replaced a rocker panel or a floor board is involved in my question. No one is safe from it, and no one is exempt if any piece if metal was replaced on your body tub... Even one the size of a silver dollar, so I say politely... Don't turn the other cheek because you think it doesn't apply to you. The only ones that can even possibly remove themselves from this scenario are the owners who's car was so pristine for it's entire life that it never had any metal work done. Mind you that if the car was famous like one of the lemans race cars or the hsc, no one raises an eyebrow if extensive metal work was done to save it.... But if some guy in his garage has to put alpine quarters on his tiger cause it was rear ended... Not only is his car tainted and now the bastard child of the community...but it's susceptible to scrutiny as a legit factory tiger. Be not mislead... I dont doubt my car but I can certainly see the potential for labeling problems to arise due to self appointed judges and decision making. Not referring to Norm... I have never known him to do anything but contribute good things for the community, but I also don't know him very well. I am just posing the question. A misguided stigma can be a terrible thing to overcome. I hope the cars in question are correctly judged... It would be a travesty if not. Obviously this is the purpose of the TAC process... I haven't had my car tac'd yet... But when I do... It better work for me or I'll be very angry. My vin plate has never been off the car...but the front inner and outer fender has. If some tells me that issue is enough to flaw my car as a tiger, and I tried to sell it and was labeled as a forgery.... I would be..... Hard to deal with.... And the process would have failed... Food for thought. Respond to the question if you can... ;) All in good fun guys...just messin... > Cullen Alpine 260 B382001452 LROFE... _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 6 13:35:06 2010 From: Steve Laifman To: Carmods@aol.com Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 12:21:09 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Need a Tiger Rotisserie Drawing John, I don't know if you received the Tiger Rotisserie info you want, but here is one, newly built, by All-New Pacific Wheel. It is well lighted for close-up work, and can actually handle more than one Tiger at a time! * http://www.pacpark.com/rides_wheelvid1.php?location=rides&navheight=short * It is probably a bit pricey, but wouldn't everyone actually want this in the back yard? It is well lit for night work, as well. Glad to be of help. Steve Laifman *TigersUnited.com * Carmods@aol.com wrote: > Art Bonsignore has retired and wants to build a rotisserie for his Tiger. > Does anyone have a drawing of a good one that he could use? > > > > John Logan > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 6 13:46:25 2010 From: Steve Laifman To: Carmods@aol.com Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 12:29:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Need a Tiger Rotisserie Drawing John, Found an even better LIVE cam view. Pick a time to watch during daylight hours, Pacific Daylight Time (PDT) * http://www.pacpark.com/webcam.php?location=webcam* Steve Laifman wrote: > John, > > I don't know if you received the Tiger Rotisserie info you want, but > here is one, newly built, by All-New Pacific Wheel. It is well > lighted for close-up work, and can actually handle more than one Tiger > at a time! > * > http://www.pacpark.com/rides_wheelvid1.php?location=rides&navheight=short > * > > It is probably a bit pricey, but wouldn't everyone actually want this > in the back yard? It is well lit for night work, as well. > > Glad to be of help. > > > > Steve Laifman > *TigersUnited.com * > > Carmods@aol.com wrote: >> Art Bonsignore has retired and wants to build a rotisserie for his Tiger. >> Does anyone have a drawing of a good one that he could use? >> >> >> >> John Logan >> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 6 15:33:55 2010 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 17:08:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] "Alger" #26 1, This car has been discussed previously and recently on the list. I agree that, looking at the photos from the dealer, it looks like a genuine Tiger. So, have someone local inspect the car that knows what they're doing, if you're interested in this Tiger, and not confident that you can tell. 2. The car is for sale in Pleasanton,Calif. Students, who can tell me why that's significant? Correct, Scotty, that's where the Mother Church for TAC is. There's probably more TAC inspectors within a 40 mile radius of that dealership than anywhere else. Including(maybe you've heard the name) Norm. Children, don't ask me Norm Who. OK, as for the Florida Tiger, I think there's a TAC team close by that can sort out authenticity issues for the seller. You have Norm's judgement, now let's see what the local TAC team thinks. As for the Tiger with a possible questionable rocker panel or inner wheelhouse. In all likihood, the inspectors(again, it takes three) will look at a number of elements before coming to a verdict. Repaired accident damage rarely disqualifies a car if all the other indicators check out to the good. RB _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 6 15:34:21 2010 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, Stephen Waybright Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 14:16:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger? I see one item that is out of character for a true Mk1a tiger. The interior door panels are a hybrid. Mk1a's are supposed to have a deluxe door panel the same as a GT Alpine The deluxe panel has a covered panel at the top which this car has. The deluxe panel has heat sealed embossing which this car has. The deluxe panel is larger than standard it has metal plates under the vinyl that make the panel larger. On a deluxe panel you do not see painted metal above the inside door handle. The back of the panel near the latch also has a jog in it. The standard and deluxe door panels are not interchangeable because the deluxe door has 3 top hat shaped metal pieces welded in along the bottom edge of the panel. The door panel mounts to these jogged pieces to keep the panel flush. In a nutshell, The doors for a car with the deluxe interior are different from a standard interior. Mk1A tigers all have a deluxe interior. Most Mk1A cars have square cornered doors (Same as Series 5 Alpines) Only GT model Alpines have deluxe interiors. Series 5 Alpine GT's were not imported into the US. This means that a Non Tiger source of Square corner Deluxe doors is extremely rare if not unobtainable in the US. Is this proof? No but it is one area where the evidence suggests Alpine origin Doors at the least. This Serial number is a very early Mk1A. I don't know if that low a serial number should have round corner doors or not. It clearly has square corners and the soft boot appropriate for a mk1a or Series 5 alpine ---- Stephen Waybright wrote: > Can anyone tell me a little it about why this car is being sold as a conversion (Alger)? It sure looks to have all the correct Tiger bits and pieces, so what is it about the car that has "doomed" it to be flagged as a conversion? > > http://www.specialtysales.com/1965-sunbeam-tiger-conversion--c-2803.htm > > Stephen Waybright _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 6 17:32:28 2010 From: mike schreiner To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 16:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re: Flowers for the "alger"non --- On Mon, 9/6/10, mike schreiner wrote: From: mike schreiner Subject: Re: Flowers for the "alger"non To: "Jeffrey Nichols" Date: Monday, September 6, 2010, 7:11 PM I have personaly seen two "Tiger" that had been "Halved" repaired with an Alpine donor car...both joined at mid point ....but one (a white one on evbay a year ago here in Jupiter)...was a tiger from the firewall back, but was repaired with an Alpine from their forward...It was advertized as a Tiger and I do a very extensive survey for the winning bidder (He cancelled the purchase afterward)...and there was another one that was the opposite...tiger in the front , repaied with an Alpine back half.....So what are they? Algers or repaired tigers? and which one and why? where do you draw the line? For years the factory made alpines before Tigers.....so did they make tigers from Alpines? Mike --- On Mon, 9/6/10, Jeffrey Nichols wrote: From: Jeffrey Nichols Subject: Flowers for the "alger"non To: tigers@autox.team.net Cc: mikeflbmer@yahoo.com Date: Monday, September 6, 2010, 1:59 PM "It is being touted as an "ALger" because Norm says so...even tho he has never seen it or inspected it....the self appointed expert has declared another car he has never seen an Alger...he did that years ago to Dr. Steve Jaffe in Florida....It was a real Tiger as I know the car for many years...Steve still has it and would like to sell it but can't because Norm labelled it as a "possible convereson" " In both cases you mention there is a very easy way to solve the issue of possible fakery. Have both cars go through a TAC inspection. Norm most likely has info that both cars can't pass a TAC like inspection. That explains why he doubts the cars authenticity even though he has never seen them. In the early 1980's I watched as a Tiger was going through the process of being "restored". The Tiger was very rusty and the donor Alpine was very solid and rust free. Many months later, there was a very nice looking Tiger and a pile of rusted out body parts along with a hacked up Alpine/Tiger chassis. I have no doubt that the owner was sure he now had a "real" Tiger and its been a Tiger for many years. Jeff _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 6 18:06:40 2010 From: Larry Mayfield To: tweecer@yahoogroups.com, tigers@autox.team.net, land-speed@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 16:38:59 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] OT: World of Speed & the Worlds Fastest Sunbeam (wannabe) Well, WOS is now in sight. As you may remember, I had a dyno day a couple of months back. I shredded a V rated tire when speeds rose above 164 mph on the dyno. Didn't get much data to tune with. But, it wasn't all that bad, a little rich but that is ok. I can fix that after the first run. Yesterday, I loaded the tune back into the car and fired it up. Well hat is stretching it a bit. Barely run is all it did and no idle at all. I drained the fuel from the tank and put fresh stuff in. Had put in a set of plugs yesterday. Still ran like dooky. So, I imported the MAF curve that I ran on the dyno without corrections and reloaded the binary into all four positions. Night and day. Now it idles at a docile 1000 rpm like it is supposed to. I guess an gremlin had gotten into the upload somehow. Car seems to be good. No major ills except that it is still hurt and may expire this time around. I hope not, but could happen. 205 is our goal. 19 mph is all I need to add to the existing car speed. Doesn't sound like much does it, maybe not if the turbo is working like it is supposed to . Now set at 10 psig. Have set points for 12 and 15 if needed.... Can you say Kaboom! So, the Worlds Fastest Sunbeam (wannabe) will head up to Bonneville on the 13th. We should arrive there around 1 - 2 pm if all goes well. We will park the trailer and put down the ground cloth and put the awning frame up. Maybe get the car out and covered with its car cover. Hook up the tow bar and be ready to head to tech inspection as soon as we get back on the salt on Tuesday. After tech we will see if we can drive the course before the drivers meeting. I like to know where the ruts and soft spots are, though truth be told I keep my eyes closed most of the way. Too scary to open them, lol... As soon as the drivers meeting happens, then racing is on. we will go until the 18th. Everyone has to be off the salt by the end of the day on the 18th because another event is happening Starting Sunday. We hope to make a run on Sat and then put the car and stuff away and head home. If I can, I will leave status via my yahoo account. If I still have one... If not, then a full report when we return. I think you may be able to check status on www.saltflats.com wish us luck! mayf _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 6 18:09:31 2010 From: michael king To: e.coiner@cox.net Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 09:45:59 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger? With all due respect the doors being wrong would not indicate the car has been rebodied.. in the early years before parts were available and the cars were of any worth repairing rusty doors with some decent donor alpine ones from a ST alpine would be a easy fix. That said.. any cross over body SIVGT alpine would also have the same doors of a "deluxe" interior. The TAC criteria is based around "methods of manufacture" in other words certain processes used to make a Tiger body by rootes.. doors, trim and other things can be easily swapped out.. but there are certain processes that rootes used to modify alpine shells that while can be duplicated to appear correct will not be the same unless the same process of manufacture has been used. These are core components of the body and hence a much better guide than bolt on parts. On 7 September 2010 07:16, wrote: > I see one item that is out of character for a true Mk1a tiger. > > The interior door panels are a hybrid. Mk1a's are supposed to have a > deluxe door panel the same as a GT Alpine > The deluxe panel has a covered panel at the top which this car has. > The deluxe panel has heat sealed embossing which this car has. > The deluxe panel is larger than standard it has metal plates under the > vinyl that make the panel larger. On a deluxe panel you do not see painted > metal above the inside door handle. The back of the panel near the latch > also has a jog in it. > > The standard and deluxe door panels are not interchangeable because the > deluxe door has 3 top hat shaped metal pieces welded in along the bottom > edge of the panel. The door panel mounts to these jogged pieces to keep the > panel flush. > > In a nutshell, > The doors for a car with the deluxe interior are different from a standard > interior. > Mk1A tigers all have a deluxe interior. Most Mk1A cars have square > cornered doors (Same as Series 5 Alpines) > Only GT model Alpines have deluxe interiors. > Series 5 Alpine GT's were not imported into the US. > > This means that a Non Tiger source of Square corner Deluxe doors is > extremely rare if not unobtainable in the US. > Is this proof? No but it is one area where the evidence suggests Alpine > origin Doors at the least. > > This Serial number is a very early Mk1A. I don't know if that low a serial > number should have round corner doors or not. It clearly has square corners > and the soft boot appropriate for a mk1a or Series 5 alpine > > ---- Stephen Waybright wrote: > > Can anyone tell me a little it about why this car is being sold as a > conversion (Alger)? It sure looks to have all the correct Tiger bits and > pieces, so what is it about the car that has "doomed" it to be flagged as a > conversion? > > > > http://www.specialtysales.com/1965-sunbeam-tiger-conversion--c-2803.htm > > > > Stephen Waybright > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 6 22:30:48 2010 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 21:14:31 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger? This is a very interesting discussion. Normally (no pun intended) people are in an uproar because an Alpine is being passed off as a Tiger. In this case the Alpine heritage is fully disclosed regarding this Tiger "look a like," but the issue continues on. Perhaps we can applaud the honesty. As has already been stated before a car not passing TAC still doesn't mean it is not a real Tiger. It means there is no or limited evidence to show its Jensen roots (partial pun intended). I've been told a car is never declared an Alger, it just isn't certified as a Tiger of origin. This world is not a perfect place, but those with the knowledge are making the effort to keep the bloodline pure. I don't think it was ever meant to be an elite club (TAC). If for some reason the process has created an error my hope is that both parties would work together to sort the issue out. FYI my Tiger has the whole front clip, hood, all the lower sheetmetal (one inner sill), bumpers, engine, and rearend replaced. The whole chassis/floorpan has been stripped and coated with POR-15. In a few short minutes my car received its TAC sticker. Tom Witt _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 6 23:02:54 2010 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: "'Stephen Waybright'" , Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 23:44:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger? The dealer has confirmed that the VIN plate has been switched, though he described switching VIN plates to me as a "grey area" for older cars. The dealer has also described it as a conversion. From what, he does not say. All that said, I do not know enough to look at the pictures and determine whether the car was originally constructed as a Tiger or not. I am comfortable that people who do know have looked at the car and determined it is a converted Alpine. I do believe, however, that, if the dealer thought the car was a real Tiger, he would have it TAC'ed. Wouldn't you do that if it meant greatly increasing the value of the car? Of course, if it turned out to be a real Tiger, then we are faced with the question of why the VIN plate was switched. Can you say stolen car? A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Waybright > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:17 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger? > > Can anyone tell me a little it about why this car is being > sold as a conversion (Alger)? It sure looks to have all the > correct Tiger bits and pieces, so what is it about the car > that has "doomed" it to be flagged as a conversion? > > http://www.specialtysales.com/1965-sunbeam-tiger-conversion--c -2803.htm > > Stephen Waybright > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker@gmail.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3118 - Release > Date: 09/06/10 13:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 6 23:31:33 2010 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: "'Thomas Witt'" , Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 00:13:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger? I have no problem with any car being modified in any way and I would normally hope someone would buy this car and enjoy it. My problem is the Tiger VIN plate. With the VIN plate switched, the car has lost its identity and is illegal in every state as far as I know. Is it a real Tiger, stolen, with a junked Tiger's VIN plate? Or is it a stolen Alpine with the remains of a junked Tiger and its VIN used to make a fake Tiger? Or is it a stolen Alpine with parts from a stolen Tiger used for the conversion, with a VIN from a junked Tiger? Or is it some other combination? Who knows? Using a Tiger VIN tells me that the car was built to deceive in some way, for some purpose, and I would want nothing to do with it. Sure, it could still be a stolen Alpine with another Alpine's VIN, but I think that is a very unlikely. A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 11:15 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger? > > This is a very interesting discussion. Normally (no pun > intended) people are in an uproar because an Alpine is being > passed off as a Tiger. In this case the Alpine heritage is > fully disclosed regarding this Tiger "look a like," but the > issue continues on. Perhaps we can applaud the honesty. > > As has already been stated before a car not passing TAC still > doesn't mean it is not a real Tiger. It means there is no or > limited evidence to show its Jensen roots (partial pun > intended). I've been told a car is never declared an Alger, > it just isn't certified as a Tiger of origin. > > This world is not a perfect place, but those with the > knowledge are making > the effort to keep the bloodline pure. I don't think it was > ever meant to > be an elite club (TAC). > > If for some reason the process has created an error my hope > is that both parties would work together to sort the issue out. > > FYI my Tiger has the whole front clip, hood, all the lower > sheetmetal (one inner sill), bumpers, engine, and rearend > replaced. The whole chassis/floorpan has been stripped and > coated with POR-15. In a few short minutes my car received > its TAC sticker. > Tom Witt > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker@gmail.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3118 - Release > Date: 09/06/10 13:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 7 08:02:32 2010 From: Larry Mayfield To: Rick Byrnes Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 06:36:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed & the Worlds Fastest On 9/7/2010 5:46 AM, Rick Byrnes wrote: > Jon > Do you know all the participants? > > > So, Rick, you hijack my email to send a note to Jon W.? mayf _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 7 10:17:51 2010 From: mike schreiner To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 08:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] ALGER vin Why would you worry so much and lose sleep over "would if's"? who cares what was swirtched and where how if? The guy used two junked cars to save one and used the vin that matched most closely to what he created? It happens all the time and in every state......Nothing wrong with it if it is diclosed when /if it is sold.....Mike _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 7 10:49:54 2010 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: mikeflbmer@yahoo.com, Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:30:52 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALGER vin Nothing wrong if you plan to use the car for "off-road use" only. In most states if the DMV knows you have removed and/or swapped the tag, they either will not register the car or will confiscate it. Mark L In a message dated 9/7/2010 12:18:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mikeflbmer@yahoo.com writes: Why would you worry so much and lose sleep over "would if's"? who cares what was swirtched and where how if? The guy used two junked cars to save one and used the vin that matched most closely to what he created? It happens all the time and in every state......Nothing wrong with it if it is diclosed when /if it is sold.....Mike _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 7 11:10:10 2010 From: mike schreiner To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 08:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] ALger? Was all that sheet metal replaced before or after it was Tac'd? If after, then it may be an Alger now..... and Mr. Tynes is so worried that something might be stolen and a vin switched.....he must be a retired cop. Mike _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 09:22:12 2010 From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" To: CoolVT@aol.com,mikeflbmer@yahoo.com,Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 12:35:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?ALGER_vin?= I called our dmv and asked. If you bring the car down for inspection, they don't care. Tn. The officer said it is a mere re body and legal. Happens with mgb's all the time.Sheesh. you guys must live in terror of your state government. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: CoolVT@aol.com Date: Tue, Sep 7, 2010 11:30 Subject: [Tigers] ALGER vin To: , Nothing wrong if you plan to use the car for "off-road use" only. In most states if the DMV knows you have removed and/or swapped the tag, they either will not register the car or will confiscate it. Mark L In a message dated 9/7/2010 12:18:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mikeflbmer@yahoo.com writes: Why would you worry so much and lose sleep over "would if's"? who cares what was swirtched and where how if? The guy used two junked cars to save one and used the vin that matched most closely to what he created? It happens all the time and in every state......Nothing wrong with it if it is diclosed when /if it is sold.....Mike _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 09:51:10 2010 From: To: "mike schreiner" , Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 13:49:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? Mike; I don't care for your tone. Stolen vehicles is a big business and my Detectives worked very hard to recover as many stolen vehicles as possible. Have you ever been a victim?? Jerry, Retired Police Sergeant from Bakersfield, Calif. -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike schreiner" Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 8:33 AM To: Subject: [Tigers] ALger? > Was all that sheet metal replaced before or after it was Tac'd? If after, > then it may be an Alger now..... and Mr. Tynes is so worried that > something > might be stolen and a vin switched.....he must be a retired cop. Mike > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jrv309@charter.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 09:54:45 2010 From: mike schreiner To: Paul Reisentz Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? For your info I personally informed Norm of my clone Vin years ago when i built it....If you dont believe me check with him (I know he keeps records of everything) and I never plan to sell my car as it will pass on to my kids and then theirs.....so you are wrong again! Say, arn't you the guy with the OBAMA sticker on the back bumper of your Tiger? --- On Wed, 9/8/10, Paul Reisentz wrote: From: Paul Reisentz Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? To: "mike schreiner" Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 12:05 AM Hey Schreiner, STOP ALREADY! I've been reading your postings for the last few days, and I'm convinced you're both an idiot and an asshole all rolled into one. I've been involved with the TAC program for about 16 years now and everytime I hear ramblings like this, it's always the same thing. Someone is pissed off they can't pass off their clone as the real thing at club events; they're pissed off they can't "create" a Tiger without the possibility of the Tiger community finding out the true identity of their creation and, therefore, not being able to sell the car at a later date for a true Tiger price. I wonder if any of this is true about you. Paul Reisentz ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike schreiner" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 8:33 AM Subject: [Tigers] ALger? > Was all that sheet metal replaced before or after it was Tac'd? If after, > then it may be an Alger now..... and Mr. Tynes is so worried that something > might be stolen and a vin switched.....he must be a retired cop. Mike > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/plrresto@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 10:14:40 2010 From: mike schreiner To: CoolVT@aol.com Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 13:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALGER vin They have absolutly no way to prove it as they werent there when the car was built....and mgs are rebodied all the time...you can buy a repro body out of the UK --- On Tue, 9/7/10, CoolVT@aol.com wrote: From: CoolVT@aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALGER vin To: mikeflbmer@yahoo.com, Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 12:30 PM Nothing wrong if you plan to use the car for "off-road use" only. In most states if the DMV knows you have removed and/or swapped the tag, they either will not register the car or will confiscate it. Mark L In a message dated 9/7/2010 12:18:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mikeflbmer@yahoo.com writes: Why would you worry so much and lose sleep over "would if's"? who cares what was swirtched and where how if? The guy used two junked cars to save one and used the vin that matched most closely to what he created? It happens all the time and in every state......Nothing wrong with it if it is diclosed when /if it is sold.....Mike _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 10:14:56 2010 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 19:43:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? I assume this is referring to my car. To clarify, the listed changes (sheetmetal, POR-15 etc.) were made BEFORE the TAC inspection. While it seemed not to be a factor in receiving the sticker, my car was TACed as having "original rivets." Tom Witt > Was all that sheet metal replaced before or after it was Tac'd? If after, > then it may be an Alger now..... and Mr. Tynes is so worried that > something > might be stolen and a vin switched.....he must be a retired cop. Mike _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 10:15:06 2010 From: Gabbard Gabbard To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, George Re , Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 07:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] disc brake dust shields Looking for an undamaged set, right and left side, dust shields from a Mk V Alpine or Tiger front disc brakes. For sale? _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 10:31:47 2010 From: To: Paul Reisentz , mike schreiner Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 16:00:31 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? Take this off the board gentlemen. I don't appreciate my inbox being populated with this personal attack crap. You are acting like you drive Hondas. Duke B382002037 ---- mike schreiner wrote: > For your info I personally informed Norm of my clone Vin years ago when i > built it....If you dont believe me check with him (I know he keeps records of > everything) and I never plan to sell my car as it will pass on to my kids and > then theirs.....so you are wrong again! Say, arn't you the guy with the > OBAMA sticker on the back bumper of your Tiger? > > --- On Wed, 9/8/10, Paul Reisentz wrote: > > > From: Paul Reisentz > Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? > To: "mike schreiner" > Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 12:05 AM > > > Hey Schreiner, STOP ALREADY! > > I've been reading your postings for the last few days, and I'm convinced > you're both an idiot and an asshole all rolled into one. > > I've been involved with the TAC program for about 16 years now and everytime I > hear ramblings like this, it's always the same thing. Someone is pissed off > they can't pass off their clone as the real thing at club events; they're > pissed off they can't "create" a Tiger without the possibility of the Tiger > community finding out the true identity of their creation and, therefore, not > being able to sell the car at a later date for a true Tiger price. I wonder if > any of this is true about you. > > Paul Reisentz > ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike schreiner" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 8:33 AM > Subject: [Tigers] ALger? > > > > Was all that sheet metal replaced before or after it was Tac'd? If after, > > then it may be an Alger now..... and Mr. Tynes is so worried that something > > might be stolen and a vin switched.....he must be a retired cop. Mike > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/plrresto@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wsamouce@kc.rr.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 10:46:03 2010 From: mike schreiner To: jrv309@charter.net Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 19:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? No disrepect intended.....I have respect for the law and would never steal anything....the point is , these repaired sunbeams are not stolen, (and you all know that)... they are saved from some junkyard or someguys back yard....The sunbeam community should be thanking us for saving one....instead they are chanting about possible stolen cars, and I think just jealous that we have virtually the same car, with the same fun, for 1/3 their cost....and they want to feel superior that they have a "Factory" car....We Alger owners are laughing all the way to the bank (as we drive in our "Tiger") --- On Tue, 9/7/10, jrv309@charter.net wrote: From: jrv309@charter.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? To: "mike schreiner" , Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 4:49 PM Mike; I don't care for your tone. Stolen vehicles is a big business and my Detectives worked very hard to recover as many stolen vehicles as possible. Have you ever been a victim?? Jerry, Retired Police Sergeant from Bakersfield, Calif. -------------------------------------------------- From: "mike schreiner" Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 8:33 AM To: Subject: [Tigers] ALger? > Was all that sheet metal replaced before or after it was Tac'd? If after, > then it may be an Alger now..... and Mr. Tynes is so worried that something > might be stolen and a vin switched.....he must be a retired cop. Mike > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jrv309@charter.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 11:01:39 2010 From: Cullen McCann To: Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:41:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? Hey!!! I drive a Honda!!! Or I made it a Honda from other parts.....is that ok? ;) (I don't really) I agree...when it gets personal it's time to meet at the bike racks instead of the list.... -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wsamouce@kc.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:01 AM To: Paul Reisentz; mike schreiner Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? Take this off the board gentlemen. I don't appreciate my inbox being populated with this personal attack crap. You are acting like you drive Hondas. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 11:16:02 2010 From: Jim Sencindiver To: wsamouce@kc.rr.com Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 13:00:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? Post of the Day! Thanks Duke. Jim Sencindiver B382100451/TAC 448 http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > Take this off the board gentlemen. I don't appreciate my inbox being > populated with this personal attack crap. You are acting like you drive > Hondas. > > Duke > B382002037 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 11:28:30 2010 From: "denis mercier" To: "Gabbard Gabbard" , , Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 13:03:33 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] disc brake dust shields Sir. The Alpine and Tiger dust shields are not the same, whichone you want ? Denis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabbard Gabbard" To: ; "George Re" ; Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:00 AM Subject: [Tigers] disc brake dust shields > Looking for an undamaged set, right and left side, dust shields from a Mk > V > Alpine or Tiger front disc brakes. For sale? > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/denismercier@telvic.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 12:01:43 2010 From: Gabbard Gabbard To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, George Re , Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Caliper Torque settings Does anyone have definitive photos of LAT-44 Rear fender flares and LAT-45 Front fender flares? Are they the same as the Lister Tiger, shaped for 15x7 wheels? _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 12:33:02 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re: ALger? Jerry- I was an"ALMOST" stolen Tiger victim in the very early 80s- I'm just glad the would be thief, whom I'm certain realized what a Tiger was, wasn't smart enough to hot wire the car, instead he tried cutting wires off the ignition switch and jumper them together to get the engine started. All he had to do was pop the hood and run one wire to the solenoid to the voltage reducer and then jump the solenoid and away he would have gone. I had friends move my Harley one night and I know the feeling in your stomach when you truly believe someone has stolen your ride- no matter what it may be they are taking. We haven't got a shot at saving our cars from a pro. They know how to steal any car they desire and they are very fast . I would bet almost as quick as having the key. It is definitely smart to have protection on our cars - be it a hidden switch for the fuel pump or the same device trucking companies use to know exactly where their divers are, just by looking on a computer screen. I'm sure the pros also have detectors that locate those items as well. If you drive a car that's important and valuable, then it is never safe, even in you own garage IF they really want the car. There is competition even amongest thieves. Luckily for us, I haven' t heard of a Tiger getting stolen in a very long time and I hope I never read that any Beam has been lifted and I seriously doubt the cost of equipment that shows the location of our cars is very expensive but then again, a PRO will be gone in less time than the real owner takes to back out of his/her driveway.. A thought for today. "Never judge another mans thoughts until you have walked a few miles in his shoes" Your words may well change afterwards and having had to wear those shoes in days gone by, it is easier to apologize that it is to heal. Tony Lang (TtT) _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 12:33:38 2010 From: TIGEROOTES@aol.com To: gabbardalex@att.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 14:17:54 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] disc brake dust shields Anon, Alpine and Tiger front disc brake dust shields are not the same parts. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 12:33:41 2010 From: TIGEROOTES@aol.com To: gabbardalex@att.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 14:20:28 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Caliper Torque settings Anon, The LAT fender flares are not the same as the LeMans cars have. Starke Shelby in Pacific Tiger Club has manufactured molds to make sets of LAT flares using an original set I own. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 13:43:45 2010 From: Allan Ballard To: Beamclub Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:40:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 13 inch tire source Online mailorder source for 205/60/13 tires: Onlinetires.com https://www.onlinetires.com/contactus.php Sumitomo - 205/60-13 SUMITOMO HTR200 87H and Federal 05/60-13 FEDERAL FORMOZA FD1 87H Does anyone have other brands/sources in 205-60-13? Allan Ballard MK1A Tiger Series IV Alpine Atlanta, GA USA _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 14:28:22 2010 From: "Lynn Wall" To: , , Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 17:27:57 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALGER vin Not true where I live. It is about full disclosure (which this guy has done). Mike is right. Cars have massive work done like this all the time and they get them registered or re-registerd. If a guy welds two cars together and brings both tags to the DMV I and explained the situation, I would bet that he would get it registered with whichever tag he desired. I know he would in Utah. I built a replica cobra and California let me register it as a 1965 shelby cobra. They simply used a number that was stamped into the tube frame (not a CSX number). My Tiger had the tag destroyed in a fire in Oregon. Oregon took too long to get the owner a new tag so he went to Alabama via the mail. They registered it with a new number and sent him plates and a new title. I bought the car and took it to Utah and registered it with the original tag number. It took me about 10 minutes. I still have the Alabama license plates. Some of you people are giving the state employees WAAAAAAAYYYYYYY to much credit. I have never heard a FIRST person account of someone that had their car confiscated, crushed, burned or even their tires peed on. It has always been a "friend" or a "friend of a friend". I would love to hear a story from the actual owner of a car where this happened. If it has happened to someone on this list please share the story. Can you imagine the litigation from someone that had their Ferrari confiscated or crushed because the tag was removed during a full restoration? It would NEVER happen. Just some random thoughts from a guy that occasionally sees black helicopters hovering over his house. Lynn -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 9:31 AM To: mikeflbmer@yahoo.com; Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALGER vin Nothing wrong if you plan to use the car for "off-road use" only. In most states if the DMV knows you have removed and/or swapped the tag, they either will not register the car or will confiscate it. Mark L In a message dated 9/7/2010 12:18:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mikeflbmer@yahoo.com writes: Why would you worry so much and lose sleep over "would if's"? who cares what was swirtched and where how if? The guy used two junked cars to save one and used the vin that matched most closely to what he created? It happens all the time and in every state......Nothing wrong with it if it is diclosed when /if it is sold.....Mike _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars@wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 14:28:41 2010 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: "'Allan Ballard'" , Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:11:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 13 inch tire source Allan, Tirerack.com also has the Sumitomo HTR200 if you want a price comparison. You might also try doing a Google search for "205/60R13". HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allan Ballard > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:40 PM > To: Beamclub > Subject: [Tigers] 13 inch tire source > > Online mailorder source for 205/60/13 tires: > > Onlinetires.com > > https://www.onlinetires.com/contactus.php > > Sumitomo - 205/60-13 SUMITOMO HTR200 87H > > and > > Federal 05/60-13 FEDERAL FORMOZA FD1 87H > > Does anyone have other brands/sources in 205-60-13? > > Allan Ballard > MK1A Tiger > Series IV Alpine > > Atlanta, GA USA > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker@gmail.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3121 - Release > Date: 09/08/10 01:07:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 15:42:49 2010 From: Gary To: Allan Ballard Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 14:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] 13 inch tire source Here's a website for 13" tires that Buck told me about. http://www.americanraceronline.com/racing-tires/passenger.html Gary Sumitomo - 205/60-13 SUMITOMO HTR200 87H and Federal 05/60-13 FEDERAL FORMOZA FD1 87H Does anyone have other brands/sources in 205-60-13? Allan Ballard MK1A Tiger Series IV Alpine Atlanta, GA USA _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/maliburevue@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 15:58:46 2010 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: cars@wt-inc.com, mikeflbmer@yahoo.com, Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 17:42:09 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALGER vin What would happen if someone came in with a Ferrari that was stolen, had a new vin plate on it and told the DMV that he had just welded 2 junks together? There is no doubt that some states are much easier than others. I think it comes down to the fact that before you buy a car with a swapped vin, you had better know what you are getting into. For example, in Vermont I wouldn't buy one unless it had previously been registered in Vermont. Don't want to bore you with the details, but I once owned a $50K car that I couldn't register and couldn't sell. No, it wasn't a stolen car. Mark In a message dated 9/8/2010 4:29:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cars@wt-inc.com writes: Not true where I live. It is about full disclosure (which this guy has done). Mike is right. Cars have massive work done like this all the time and they get them registered or re-registerd. If a guy welds two cars together and brings both tags to the DMV I and explained the situation, I would bet that he would get it registered with whichever tag he desired. I know he would in Utah. I built a replica cobra and California let me register it as a 1965 shelby cobra. They simply used a number that was stamped into the tube frame (not a CSX number). My Tiger had the tag destroyed in a fire in Oregon. Oregon took too long to get the owner a new tag so he went to Alabama via the mail. They registered it with a new number and sent him plates and a new title. I bought the car and took it to Utah and registered it with the original tag number. It took me about 10 minutes. I still have the Alabama license plates. Some of you people are giving the state employees WAAAAAAAYYYYYYY to much credit. I have never heard a FIRST person account of someone that had their car confiscated, crushed, burned or even their tires peed on. It has always been a "friend" or a "friend of a friend". I would love to hear a story from the actual owner of a car where this happened. If it has happened to someone on this list please share the story. Can you imagine the litigation from someone that had their Ferrari confiscated or crushed because the tag was removed during a full restoration? It would NEVER happen. Just some random thoughts from a guy that occasionally sees black helicopters hovering over his house. Lynn -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 9:31 AM To: mikeflbmer@yahoo.com; Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALGER vin Nothing wrong if you plan to use the car for "off-road use" only. In most states if the DMV knows you have removed and/or swapped the tag, they either will not register the car or will confiscate it. Mark L In a message dated 9/7/2010 12:18:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mikeflbmer@yahoo.com writes: Why would you worry so much and lose sleep over "would if's"? who cares what was swirtched and where how if? The guy used two junked cars to save one and used the vin that matched most closely to what he created? It happens all the time and in every state......Nothing wrong with it if it is diclosed when /if it is sold.....Mike _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars@wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 16:12:38 2010 From: "James Lindner" To: "Allan Ballard" , "Beamclub" Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 17:51:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 13 inch tire source Universal Tire has Vredestein Sprint Classic 205/60x13. Nice tire but pricey at $170 each. Jim Lindner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Beamclub" Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:40 PM Subject: [Tigers] 13 inch tire source > Online mailorder source for 205/60/13 tires: > > Onlinetires.com > > https://www.onlinetires.com/contactus.php > > Sumitomo - 205/60-13 SUMITOMO HTR200 87H > > and > > Federal 05/60-13 FEDERAL FORMOZA FD1 87H > > Does anyone have other brands/sources in 205-60-13? > > Allan Ballard > MK1A Tiger > Series IV Alpine > > Atlanta, GA USA > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5@cox.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 16:57:20 2010 From: Tom Hall To: Tiger e-mail List Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 15:52:07 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Why I care This message is in response to a recent question on this forum about who cares what a VIN Tag is applied to. This _personal_ statement by me, is designed to answer the question and should not be considered a personnel attack on any individual. I care! And for some reason, I feel compelled after due thought, to respond to this inquiry on this forum. Sorry, ahead of time, to those of you that don't care for the continuation of this touchy subject. Normally I stay out of discussions involving the STOA TAC program and VIN transfer, but some Marque enthusiasts seem to have little regard for applicable laws and other reasonable conventions. I met Ian Garrad in the late 60's after his separation from Chrysler. From that time until his untimely death, he was a personal friend of mine and I am honored to own a few examples of the special vehicles he essentially created. I have no problem with the assembly of a replica of this design. I do have a problem when an individual feels justified in applying a VIN Tag from a Tiger to a replica. To many of us owners that feel that Tigers are "something a little special", this is more than a little offensive and regardless of recent rants to the contrary, likely illegal in most states. A lot of this has to do with what I'd call "intent". Once you remove the rivets from one chassis and knowingly move the VIN Tag to another and replace the rivets, this becomes "an intent to defraud". This is _not_ repair and restoration. One can make all the claims one wants about how "Norm" and everybody else in the Tiger world were informed. The vehicle ID "applied" stands on it's own. That's exactly what's going on here in California, in my town, with a similar replica. What's going on is that someone else did what was suggested, moved the Tiger VIN to a new chassis, and now a lot of people want to know why this is not a Tiger, because to most observers it appears to be a Tiger, complete with a Tiger VIN. I am very familiar with this car as it was an early challenge to our TAC program. So here we are, almost 20 years later facing the same problem. The owner has confirmed to inquiries, that it is not a "real" Tiger, but it is so labeled by it's VIN and he's clearly asking Tiger level dollars. It's never going to get a TAC sticker because we (the collective Tiger Authentication Committee) can't identify the chassis as a Pressed Steel/Jensen product. So this is why I care, and why other owners and potential owners care, and in most cases, the government cares. The proper way to identify a replica Tiger is to leave the Alpine VIN in place or at least get a state issued ID that identifies the true origin of the chassis. To do otherwise is just plain wrong. The prevention of this misidentification was the basis of the development of the STOA TAC program many years ago. We hope that this program has made a difference in how the public perceives this Marque, by helping protect it from fraud. Saving an otherwise damaged or destroyed example of the Marque by moving the VIN to another chassis is not an OK activity in our world. We have Authenticated over 10% of the original production of Tigers at this point, all over the world, almost 50 years after production was initiated. As anyone can clearly see, our work is clearly ongoing. -- Tom Hall TAC Senior Inspector # 1 ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 17:42:15 2010 From: "bob webb" To: "Jim Sencindiver" , Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 19:31:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? this disagreement will never end! it seems that wherever we travel to, someone always questions the authenticity of tigers. WHY? nobody ever questions a rebodied harrington and they are a RARE sunbeam. nobody questions a rebodied alpine. i never noticed this being discussed way back in the 60's,70's or even the 80's. was it started by a select group that were afraid someone was out to rip them off? i have been a sunbeam owner all but 16 years of my life and i'm now 61. someone explain to me the real reason behind having to prove that a tiger consists of the same alpine body that was used to make the tiger. they all say SUNBEAM on the trunk. maybe we harrington owners should start up a HAC group and make owners prove that all 110 or so existing lemans are true harrington bodies. we would have to look for original bolts holding the top and does it have the right sealer between the body sections,etc. we also could HAC all the type A, C and D cars. WOW! that would be a select group of owners. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Sencindiver" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? > Post of the Day! Thanks Duke. > > Jim Sencindiver > > B382100451/TAC 448 > > http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > >> Take this off the board gentlemen. I don't appreciate my inbox being >> populated with this personal attack crap. You are acting like you drive >> Hondas. >> >> Duke >> B382002037 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bobjeanbeams@roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 18:12:24 2010 From: Larry Paulick To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:48:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Why I care I also have watched this issue, and it is clearly defrauding to add a Tiger VIN to a conversion. Tom states this issue well, and somewhere down the line this car will be sold as a Tiger to someone who does not know the difference. I appreciate good workmanship on anything, but not an out and out fraud, which this is. Larry On 9/8/10 6:52 PM, Tom Hall wrote: > This message is in response to a recent question on this forum about who > cares what a VIN Tag is applied to. This _personal_ statement by me, is > designed to answer the question and should not be considered a personnel > attack on any individual. > > I care! And for some reason, I feel compelled after due thought, to > respond to this inquiry on this forum. Sorry, ahead of time, to those > of you that don't care for the continuation of this touchy subject. > > Normally I stay out of discussions involving the STOA TAC program and > VIN transfer, but some Marque enthusiasts seem to have little regard for > applicable laws and other reasonable conventions. I met Ian Garrad in > the late 60's after his separation from Chrysler. From that time until > his untimely death, he was a personal friend of mine and I am honored to > own a few examples of the special vehicles he essentially created. I > have no problem with the assembly of a replica of this design. I do have > a problem when an individual feels justified in applying a VIN Tag from > a Tiger to a replica. > > To many of us owners that feel that Tigers are "something a little > special", this is more than a little offensive and regardless of recent > rants to the contrary, likely illegal in most states. A lot of this has > to do with what I'd call "intent". Once you remove the rivets from one > chassis and knowingly move the VIN Tag to another and replace the > rivets, this becomes "an intent to defraud". This is _not_ repair and > restoration. One can make all the claims one wants about how "Norm" and > everybody else in the Tiger world were informed. The vehicle ID > "applied" stands on it's own. > > That's exactly what's going on here in California, in my town, with a > similar replica. What's going on is that someone else did what was > suggested, moved the Tiger VIN to a new chassis, and now a lot of people > want to know why this is not a Tiger, because to most observers it > appears to be a Tiger, complete with a Tiger VIN. I am very familiar > with this car as it was an early challenge to our TAC program. So here > we are, almost 20 years later facing the same problem. The owner has > confirmed to inquiries, that it is not a "real" Tiger, but it is so > labeled by it's VIN and he's clearly asking Tiger level dollars. It's > never going to get a TAC sticker because we (the collective Tiger > Authentication Committee) can't identify the chassis as a Pressed > Steel/Jensen product. > > So this is why I care, and why other owners and potential owners care, > and in most cases, the government cares. The proper way to identify a > replica Tiger is to leave the Alpine VIN in place or at least get a > state issued ID that identifies the true origin of the chassis. To do > otherwise is just plain wrong. The prevention of this misidentification > was the basis of the development of the STOA TAC program many years ago. > We hope that this program has made a difference in how the public > perceives this Marque, by helping protect it from fraud. Saving an > otherwise damaged or destroyed example of the Marque by moving the VIN > to another chassis is not an OK activity in our world. We have > Authenticated over 10% of the original production of Tigers at this > point, all over the world, almost 50 years after production was > initiated. As anyone can clearly see, our work is clearly ongoing. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 18:12:57 2010 From: michael king To: bob webb Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 10:06:54 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? Bob, I dont think that could be any funnier "HAC" not sure it transaltes in the USA.. but in AU we reffer to people or things as "Hacks" if they are very average... On 9 September 2010 09:31, bob webb wrote: > maybe we harrington owners should start up a HAC group and make owners > prove that all 110 or so existing lemans are true harrington bodies. we > would have to look for original bolts holding the top and does it have the > right sealer between the body sections,etc. we also could HAC all the type > A, C and D cars. WOW! that would be a select group of owners. > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 18:58:40 2010 From: "bob webb" To: "michael king" Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 20:35:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? michael, that means HARRINGTON AUTHENTICATION ! remember that the tiger was just another mass produced car compared to the harringtons.and the bodies were also pulled off the pressed steel line and sent out for conversion. just wasn't the jenson line. ----- Original Message ----- From: michael king To: bob webb Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? Bob, I dont think that could be any funnier "HAC" not sure it transaltes in the USA.. but in AU we reffer to people or things as "Hacks" if they are very average... On 9 September 2010 09:31, bob webb wrote: maybe we harrington owners should start up a HAC group and make owners prove that all 110 or so existing lemans are true harrington bodies. we would have to look for original bolts holding the top and does it have the right sealer between the body sections,etc. we also could HAC all the type A, C and D cars. WOW! that would be a select group of owners. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 18:59:22 2010 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 20:44:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 13" tires Hi Listers, I have a set of 195/60x13 Sumahumo's or what ever they are -- will deliver to Rockport Me next month, $200.00 for four, or make an offer, they have about 200 miles on them, came on the car when I bought it, rpl'd with Toyo RA1, Clyde _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 19:22:04 2010 From: "rande" To: bobjeanbeams@roadrunner.com Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 20:56:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] the Why I care topic Bob, The issue for Mike of Florida is that the TAC program has been explained to death to him by me, others, and now Tom Hall, and , he repeately doesn't like it. I know he's smart enough to understand the program, everyone knows how he felt about it weeks ago, and it hasn't sunk in that we don't want to hear his repeated dislike for the program four times a day.We know how he feels. Now, snap out of it, Mike. The issue is not using up a very tired original LeMans to restore another LeMans. As I see it, the TAC program and the Alpine to Tiger discussion is akin to someone taking a wrecked Series III 'D' Harrington and building a Series IV 'D' Harrington, i.e. building something it never was, originally. Same thing with Heritage MGBGT body. Restore it to another MGBGT, and things are cool. Turn it into either a Costello V8 MGBGT or the later British Leyland MGBGT V8, and it's not OK. Alpine to Alpine, good. Alpine to Tiger, and transferring the Tiger VIN, baaad. As for Tom Hall's explanation of TAC and switching VIN's, it cannot be put more succinctly. Don't understand it? Read it again, and again, until it sinks in. Mike, I don't want you to go away, but you can stick a fork in the Alger topic, 'cause it's done. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 19:30:16 2010 From: mike schreiner To: bob webb Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 18:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? UH OH! I also have a Harrington Look alike (see atchd pics) I guess it is a Alpinton ...i must be the clone guy ...and everybody hates me! --- On Wed, 9/8/10, bob webb wrote: From: bob webb Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? To: "michael king" Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 8:35 PM michael, that means HARRINGTON AUTHENTICATION ! remember that the tiger was just another mass produced car compared to the harringtons.and the bodies were also pulled off the pressed steel line and sent out for conversion. just wasn't the jenson line. ----- Original Message ----- From: michael king To: bob webb Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? Bob, I dont think that could be any funnier "HAC" not sure it transaltes in the USA.. but in AU we reffer to people or things as "Hacks" if they are very average... On 9 September 2010 09:31, bob webb wrote: maybe we harrington owners should start up a HAC group and make owners prove that all 110 or so existing lemans are true harrington bodies. we would have to look for original bolts holding the top and does it have the right sealer between the body sections,etc. we also could HAC all the type A, C and D cars. WOW! that would be a select group of owners. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mikeflbmer@yahoo.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of HARDTOP 005.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of HARDTOP 004.JPG] _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 19:32:23 2010 From: "bob webb" To: "mike schreiner" Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 21:23:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? mike, you might want to put me in your group. remember the story about me converting the rust free mk 2 back to an alpine. my body man even installed the mk 2 wheel well moldings on my 69GT. look at the photos of my 69GT on my photo bucket site. i'm even cutting up a rust free series 3 GT for parts to restore my series 4. i may be one up on you. ----- Original Message ----- From: mike schreiner To: bob webb Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? UH OH! I also have a Harrington Look alike (see atchd pics) I guess it is a Alpinton ...i must be the clone guy ...and everybody hates me! --- On Wed, 9/8/10, bob webb wrote: From: bob webb Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? To: "michael king" Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 8:35 PM michael, that means HARRINGTON AUTHENTICATION ! remember that the tiger was just another mass produced car compared to the harringtons.and the bodies were also pulled off the pressed steel line and sent out for conversion. just wasn't the jenson line. ----- Original Message ----- From: michael king To: bob webb Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? Bob, I dont think that could be any funnier "HAC" not sure it transaltes in the USA.. but in AU we reffer to people or things as "Hacks" if they are very average... On 9 September 2010 09:31, bob webb wrote: maybe we harrington owners should start up a HAC group and make owners prove that all 110 or so existing lemans are true harrington bodies. we would have to look for original bolts holding the top and does it have the right sealer between the body sections,etc. we also could HAC all the type A, C and D cars. WOW! that would be a select group of owners. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mikeflbmer@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 19:59:30 2010 From: michael king To: mike schreiner Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:33:29 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? Mike attachments dont come through to the list.. so send via email privately or post it in webshots etc... and we dont all hate you.. come on... BIG SUNBEAM GROUP HUG :-p On 9 September 2010 11:09, mike schreiner wrote: > UH OH! I also have a Harrington Look alike (see atchd pics) I guess it is > a > Alpinton ...i must be the clone guy ...and everybody hates me! > > --- On Wed, 9/8/10, bob webb wrote: > > > From: bob webb > Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? > To: "michael king" > Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 8:35 PM > > > michael, > that means HARRINGTON AUTHENTICATION ! remember that the tiger was just > another mass produced car compared to the harringtons.and the bodies were > also > pulled off the pressed steel line and sent out for conversion. just wasn't > the > jenson line. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: michael king > To: bob webb > Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? > > > Bob, > > I dont think that could be any funnier "HAC" not sure it transaltes in the > USA.. but in AU we reffer to people or things as "Hacks" if they are very > average... > > > On 9 September 2010 09:31, bob webb wrote: > > maybe we harrington owners should start up a HAC group and make owners > prove that all 110 or so existing lemans are true harrington bodies. we > would > have to look for original bolts holding the top and does it have the right > sealer between the body sections,etc. we also could HAC all the type A, C > and > D cars. WOW! that would be a select group of owners. > > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mikeflbmer@yahoo.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of > HARDTOP 005.JPG] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of > HARDTOP 004.JPG] > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 20:28:13 2010 From: To: wsamouce@kc.rr.com, bob webb , Jim Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 19:24:09 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? I will be the first to confess I know almost nothing about Harrington Alpines so some of my following comments may be whack. Please be gentle with your corrections. Does anyone know what the VIN numbers of the Alpines that were the basis of a Harrington? I assume that somewhere in the records of the Harrington company that info resides or resided. Assuming this to be true, Harrington's are analogous to the original 65, 66 Shelby Mustangs. A standard Mustang was bought by Shelby, modified and sold. Is there a difference between a Shelby Mustang built by Shelby in 65 and a clone modified by an Enthusiast in the 70's 80's or today? Well the VIN number of the underlying Mustang is one difference. In a well done clone, that might be the only difference. Is there a difference in the desireablilty or value of these two vehicles? Well DUH!! Is there a difference in the behind the wheel experience.? Not so much. ---- bob webb wrote: > this disagreement will never end! it seems that wherever we travel to, > someone always questions the authenticity of tigers. WHY? nobody ever > questions a rebodied harrington and they are a RARE sunbeam. nobody > questions a rebodied alpine. i never noticed this being discussed way back > in the 60's,70's or even the 80's. was it started by a select group that > were afraid someone was out to rip them off? i have been a sunbeam owner all > but 16 years of my life and i'm now 61. someone explain to me the real > reason behind having to prove that a tiger consists of the same alpine body > that was used to make the tiger. they all say SUNBEAM on the trunk. maybe we > harrington owners should start up a HAC group and make owners prove that all > 110 or so existing lemans are true harrington bodies. we would have to look > for original bolts holding the top and does it have the right sealer between > the body sections,etc. we also could HAC all the type A, C and D cars. WOW! > that would be a select group of owners. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Sencindiver" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? > > > > Post of the Day! Thanks Duke. > > > > Jim Sencindiver > > > > B382100451/TAC 448 > > > > http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > > > >> Take this off the board gentlemen. I don't appreciate my inbox being > >> populated with this personal attack crap. You are acting like you drive > >> Hondas. > >> > >> Duke > >> B382002037 > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bobjeanbeams@roadrunner.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner@cox.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 21:21:23 2010 From: David T Johnson To: michael king , mike schreiner Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 19:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? Unclw Wally's Tiger had MK II whell well trim. Wjy? Because he liked it that way. The best reason possible. Dave ________________________________ From: michael king To: mike schreiner Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 9:33:29 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? Mike attachments dont come through to the list.. so send via email privately or post it in webshots etc... and we dont all hate you.. come on... BIG SUNBEAM GROUP HUG :-p On 9 September 2010 11:09, mike schreiner wrote: > UH OH! I also have a Harrington Look alike (see atchd pics) I guess it is > a > Alpinton ...i must be the clone guy ...and everybody hates me! > > --- On Wed, 9/8/10, bob webb wrote: > > > From: bob webb > Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? > To: "michael king" > Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 8:35 PM > > > michael, > that means HARRINGTON AUTHENTICATION ! remember that the tiger was just > another mass produced car compared to the harringtons.and the bodies were > also > pulled off the pressed steel line and sent out for conversion. just wasn't > the > jenson line. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: michael king > To: bob webb > Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? > > > Bob, > > I dont think that could be any funnier "HAC" not sure it transaltes in the > USA.. but in AU we reffer to people or things as "Hacks" if they are very > average... > > > On 9 September 2010 09:31, bob webb wrote: > > maybe we harrington owners should start up a HAC group and make owners > prove that all 110 or so existing lemans are true harrington bodies. we > would > have to look for original bolts holding the top and does it have the right > sealer between the body sections,etc. we also could HAC all the type A, C > and > D cars. WOW! that would be a select group of owners. > > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mikeflbmer@yahoo.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of > HARDTOP 005.JPG] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of > HARDTOP 004.JPG] > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 21:36:17 2010 From: michael king To: David T Johnson Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:04:35 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? What worries me in these times of environmental change and the ever increasing cost of petrol is how many tigers will have their transmission tunnels cut out and removed so that owners can fit 1725cc SV alpine motors and overdrive transmissons.. if these are done well enough we may never know that the car was once a Tiger.. the owner will simply pass it off as an orginal alpine with overdrive! Anyway.. i am going to get back to converting my early MKI leaf spring cobra to AC Bristol spec.. :-) On 9 September 2010 12:53, David T Johnson wrote: > Unclw Wally's Tiger had MK II whell well trim. > Wjy? Because he liked it that way. > > The best reason possible. > > Dave > > ------------------------------ > *From:* michael king > *To:* mike schreiner > > *Cc:* Tigers@autox.team.net > *Sent:* Wed, September 8, 2010 9:33:29 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] ALger? > > Mike attachments dont come through to the list.. so send via email > privately > or post it in webshots etc... and we dont all hate you.. come on... BIG > SUNBEAM GROUP HUG :-p > > On 9 September 2010 11:09, mike schreiner wrote: > > > UH OH! I also have a Harrington Look alike (see atchd pics) I guess it > is > > a > > Alpinton ...i must be the clone guy ...and everybody hates me! > > > > --- On Wed, 9/8/10, bob webb wrote: > > > > > > From: bob webb > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? > > To: "michael king" > > Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net > > Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 8:35 PM > > > > > > michael, > > that means HARRINGTON AUTHENTICATION ! remember that the tiger was > just > > another mass produced car compared to the harringtons.and the bodies were > > also > > pulled off the pressed steel line and sent out for conversion. just > wasn't > > the > > jenson line. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: michael king > > To: bob webb > > Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net > > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? > > > > > > Bob, > > > > I dont think that could be any funnier "HAC" not sure it transaltes in > the > > USA.. but in AU we reffer to people or things as "Hacks" if they are very > > average... > > > > > > On 9 September 2010 09:31, bob webb > wrote: > > > > maybe we harrington owners should start up a HAC group and make owners > > prove that all 110 or so existing lemans are true harrington bodies. we > > would > > have to look for original bolts holding the top and does it have the > right > > sealer between the body sections,etc. we also could HAC all the type A, C > > and > > D cars. WOW! that would be a select group of owners. > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards > > > > Michael King > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mikeflbmer@yahoo.com > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name > of > > HARDTOP 005.JPG] > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name > of > > HARDTOP 004.JPG] > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > > > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014@yahoo.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 21:36:56 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "Tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:21:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? Evidently, some folks are out to rip people off - otherwise you wouldn't see Alpines with Tiger VIN's popriveted onto them. When you buy a Tiger, you're buying a one-of-7000 car, and as Tom stated eloquently, the product of some very non-linear thinking that could never be replicated in today's automotive world. If the bodyshell is in nice shape, then you pay a premium because it's more special that one of these rare vehicles has gone the distance without being damaged or otherwise abused somewhere in the last 45 years. But if that bodyshell is instead a one-of-70,000 unit that has had Tiger specific stuff grafted onto it, then it's not so special anymore, because it wasn't a product of that time or place in the 60's that led to the Tiger's existence. That's not to say that an Alpine with Tiger drivetrain can't be a very nice car. It's just that nobody should buy one thinking that it's an original Tiger. This is all that TAC is about - so you know that the chassis was built that way by Rootes, Pressed Steel and Jensen, and not by the guy down the street. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bob webb > Sent: September 8, 2010 5:31 PM > To: Jim Sencindiver; wsamouce@kc.rr.com > Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? > > this disagreement will never end! it seems that wherever we travel to, > someone always questions the authenticity of tigers. WHY? nobody ever > questions a rebodied harrington and they are a RARE sunbeam. nobody > questions a rebodied alpine. i never noticed this being discussed way > back > in the 60's,70's or even the 80's. was it started by a select group > that > were afraid someone was out to rip them off? i have been a sunbeam > owner all This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 22:05:22 2010 From: Rob Guerra To: ehusmann53@yahoo.com, fot@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 20:46:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] What makes this car an Alger? I was asked to look at the car at specialty autosales for a prospective buyer. It is a very nice car, but accurately represented. On Sep 6, 2010, at 6:16 AM, Stephen Waybright wrote: > Can anyone tell me a little it about why this car is being sold as a conversion (Alger)? It sure looks to have all the correct Tiger bits and pieces, so what is it about the car that has "doomed" it to be flagged as a conversion? > > http://www.specialtysales.com/1965-sunbeam-tiger-conversion--c-2803.htm > > Stephen Waybright > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bomber44@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 8 22:17:42 2010 From: "bob webb" To: "David T Johnson" , "michael king" Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 00:05:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? and still does! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David T Johnson" To: "michael king" ; "mike schreiner" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? > Unclw Wally's Tiger had MK II whell well trim. > Wjy? Because he liked it that > way. > > The best reason possible. > > Dave > > > > > ________________________________ > From: michael king > To: mike schreiner > > Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 > 9:33:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? > > Mike attachments dont come through to > the list.. so send via email privately > or post it in webshots etc... and we > dont all hate you.. come on... BIG > SUNBEAM GROUP HUG :-p > > On 9 September 2010 > 11:09, mike schreiner wrote: > >> UH OH! I also have a > Harrington Look alike (see atchd pics) I guess it is >> a >> Alpinton ...i must > be the clone guy ...and everybody hates me! >> >> --- On Wed, 9/8/10, bob webb > wrote: >> >> >> From: bob webb > >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? >> To: "michael > king" >> Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net >> Date: > Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 8:35 PM >> >> >> michael, >> that means > HARRINGTON AUTHENTICATION ! remember that the tiger was just >> another mass > produced car compared to the harringtons.and the bodies were >> also >> pulled > off the pressed steel line and sent out for conversion. just wasn't >> the >> > jenson line. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: michael king >> To: bob > webb >> Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net >> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:06 > PM >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] ALger? >> >> >> Bob, >> >> I dont think that could be > any funnier "HAC" not sure it transaltes in the >> USA.. but in AU we reffer to > people or things as "Hacks" if they are very >> average... >> >> >> On 9 > September 2010 09:31, bob webb wrote: >> >> > maybe we harrington owners should start up a HAC group and make owners >> prove > that all 110 or so existing lemans are true harrington bodies. we >> would >> > have to look for original bolts holding the top and does it have the right >> > sealer between the body sections,etc. we also could HAC all the type A, C >> > and >> D cars. WOW! that would be a select group of owners. >> >> >> >> -- >> > Regards >> >> Michael King >> _______________________________________________ >> > Tigers@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mikeflbmer@yahoo.com >> >> [demime > 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of >> HARDTOP > 005.JPG] >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had > a name of >> HARDTOP 004.JPG] >> > _______________________________________________ >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com >> >> > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bobjeanbeams@roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 9 09:44:28 2010 From: "Anderson. Bruce (DA)" To: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 08:43:17 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 13 Inch Tire Source I've got Toyo R888 205 60-13's on my 65 Tiger. So far they handle great and look good. SACRAMENTO COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S EMAIL DISCLAIMER: This email and any attachments thereto may contain private, confidential, and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, copying, or distribution of this email (or any attachments thereto) by other than the Sacramento County District Attorney's Office or the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. 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Pacific Daylight Time, AndersonB@sacda.org writes: Toyo R888 205 60-13's _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 9 13:24:47 2010 From: "John Stithem" To: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:24:15 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Accelerator Pedal Slipping Anyone have a good way of keeping the accelerator pedal from slipping. During hard acceleration (autocross racing and Hillclimbs) I find the accelerator pedal has slipped at the pinch joint where it is attached to the floorboard. I have tried to tighten it and have had to go a small Grade 8 bolt (kept snapping the lesser bolts) just to pinch it hard enough to get it to work for daily driving. I find after each run while racingI have to reach down and pull the pedal back up into the correct position. Thanks in advance for any ideas. Virginia City Hillclimbs are in 1 = weeks----how many Tigers are going? John Stithem _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 9 13:39:09 2010 From: To: John Stithem , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 19:39:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Accelerator Pedal Slipping I had the same issue. It is fixed now. If you remove the pedal from the shaft, you will see that there is a cut out that decreases in size of the opening when you tighten the bolt which crimps the pedal to the throttle shaft. Mine was just about completely closed when tightened. I cut some material of off one side which allows the opening to close further. Additionally I cut groves across the clamping face to make bteethb that would bite into the shaft. I also replaced the bolt because it was bent. Now a gorilla canbt get the pedal to slip on the shaft. Also, make sure that the floor stop is there and properly adjusted. That way, at WOT, you are not putting undue stress on the pedal and throttle linkage. HTH's Duke B382002037 ---- John Stithem wrote: > Anyone have a good way of keeping the accelerator pedal from slipping. > > During hard acceleration (autocross racing and Hillclimbs) I find the > accelerator pedal has slipped at the pinch joint where it is attached to the > floorboard. I have tried to tighten it and have had to go a small Grade 8 > bolt (kept snapping the lesser bolts) just to pinch it hard enough to get it > to work for daily driving. I find after each run while racingI have to > reach down and pull the pedal back up into the correct position. > > > > Thanks in advance for any ideas. > > > > Virginia City Hillclimbs are in 1 = weeks----how many Tigers are going? > > > > John Stithem > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wsamouce@kc.rr.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 9 14:09:03 2010 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: wsamouce@kc.rr.com, mai65tai@sonic.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:05:49 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Accelerator Pedal Slipping You guys must really tromp down on that pedal ! My guess is that the pedal and stop are not adjusted correctly. In other words, the carb reaches its stop and the pedal hasn't. Push a little harder and the bracket slips on the shaft. Or you have got some really, really tough return springs on that carb. Mark In a message dated 9/9/2010 3:39:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wsamouce@kc.rr.com writes: I had the same issue. It is fixed now. If you remove the pedal from the shaft, you will see that there is a cut out that decreases in size of the opening when you tighten the bolt which crimps the pedal to the throttle shaft. Mine was just about completely closed when tightened. I cut some material of off one side which allows the opening to close further. Additionally I cut groves across the clamping face to make bteethb that would bite into the shaft. I also replaced the bolt because it was bent. Now a gorilla canbt get the pedal to slip on the shaft. Also, make sure that the floor stop is there and properly adjusted. That way, at WOT, you are not putting undue stress on the pedal and throttle linkage. HTH's Duke B382002037 ---- John Stithem wrote: > Anyone have a good way of keeping the accelerator pedal from slipping. > > During hard acceleration (autocross racing and Hillclimbs) I find the > accelerator pedal has slipped at the pinch joint where it is attached to the > floorboard. I have tried to tighten it and have had to go a small Grade 8 > bolt (kept snapping the lesser bolts) just to pinch it hard enough to get it > to work for daily driving. I find after each run while racingI have to > reach down and pull the pedal back up into the correct position. > > > > Thanks in advance for any ideas. > > > > Virginia City Hillclimbs are in 1 = weeks----how many Tigers are going? > > > > John Stithem > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wsamouce@kc.rr.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/opt ions/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 9 14:26:09 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Wilwood at SUNI last year At SUNI last year, there was a gentleman from south, I think of Indianapolis and he worked for Wilwood. He had a beautiful Alger that was as fast as it was good looking. I wish my Tiger looked as good as his Alger and too, I had Wilwood brakes all the way around. Another member needs to get in touch with this member but I cant locate his card. He left cards and Wilwood brakes in the parts room and stayed at a motel not far from the one the banquet was held at. Its tough getting old, as my friend Mike and I ate dinner with him and his wife and I will be darn if I can recall his name. If anyone kept his card, please post his contact information or send me an email off list, so I can assist the gentleman wanting to purchase Wilwood brakes.Thanks in advance. Tony Lang (TtT) _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 9 15:30:48 2010 From: "jliny5" To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com, tigers-bounces@autox.team.net, Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 21:29:48 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 13 Inch Tire Source Cosmic 5.5 wheels...205/60x13 tiress...No rubbing. Jim Lindner ------Original Message------ From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Sender: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net To: AndersonB@sacda.org To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 13 Inch Tire Source Sent: Sep 9, 2010 11:51 AM What size rims are you running? Any rubbing? In a message dated 9/9/2010 8:45:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, AndersonB@sacda.org writes: Toyo R888 205 60-13's _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5@cox.net Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 9 15:54:41 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , "'John Stithem'" , Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 17:54:23 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Accelerator Pedal Slipping Duke Excellent reply. I have always just recommended cutting the slot bigger to get more clamp force. I did not think about knurling the shaft. I like that idea. Knurling the shaft is the term generally used for making grooves in the shaft. Knurling does not cut the metal it rolls the pattern into the metal. This work hardens the metal or it should work harden the metal; which should give a harder and better surface to clamp on. You would probably need a gap bed lathe or a manual tool if they exist for this job. Ron -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wsamouce@kc.rr.com Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 3:39 PM To: John Stithem; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Accelerator Pedal Slipping I had the same issue. It is fixed now. If you remove the pedal from the shaft, you will see that there is a cut out that decreases in size of the opening when you tighten the bolt which crimps the pedal to the throttle shaft. Mine was just about completely closed when tightened. I cut some material of off one side which allows the opening to close further. Additionally I cut groves across the clamping face to make bteethb that would bite into the shaft. I also replaced the bolt because it was bent. Now a gorilla canbt get the pedal to slip on the shaft. Also, make sure that the floor stop is there and properly adjusted. That way, at WOT, you are not putting undue stress on the pedal and throttle linkage. HTH's Duke B382002037 ---- John Stithem wrote: > Anyone have a good way of keeping the accelerator pedal from slipping. > > During hard acceleration (autocross racing and Hillclimbs) I find the > accelerator pedal has slipped at the pinch joint where it is attached > to the > floorboard. I have tried to tighten it and have had to go a small > Grade 8 bolt (kept snapping the lesser bolts) just to pinch it hard > enough to get it > to work for daily driving. I find after each run while racingI have > to reach down and pull the pedal back up into the correct position. > > > > Thanks in advance for any ideas. > > > > Virginia City Hillclimbs are in 1 = weeks----how many Tigers are > going? > > > > John Stithem > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wsamouce@kc.rr.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3121 - Release Date: 09/09/10 06:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 9 16:09:04 2010 From: Randy Smith To: Tiger List Serve Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:05:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Alternator Question Thanks to the folks who helped with recent alternator question. I settled on a Denso #210-0107 off of a '86 Toyota 4 Runner. It's pretty compact, has an internal regulator, an idiot light terminal and the right pulley. I already made up my brackets and have it mounted and ready to go. My question now is about the wiring for this unit. Has anyone used this particular unit? I pretty much understand the wiring per Theo's previous postings, but this unit has no markings on the terminals. It has a large terminal (pretty obvious what this is) and three small ones. I assume one is the idiot light, one is the exciter (switched 12v) and the third could be a ground? In any case, there are no markings. Has anyone else used one of these and have a clue on the terminal arrangement? Thanks- Randy -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ@cs.com Tiger- B382000189 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 9 17:09:24 2010 From: "Ross" To: "'Randy Smith'" , "'Tiger List Serve'" Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:05:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alternator Question Subject: [Tigers] Alternator Question Randy, Look closely at the pin housing. One should be L (idiot light), one should be Ig (ignition switched power), and one should be P (pulsed). I have not tried P but its purpose is pulsing for the tachometer. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse Thanks to the folks who helped with recent alternator question. I settled on a Denso #210-0107 off of a '86 Toyota 4 Runner. It's pretty compact, has an internal regulator, an idiot light terminal and the right pulley. I already made up my brackets and have it mounted and ready to go. My question now is about the wiring for this unit. Has anyone used this particular unit? I pretty much understand the wiring per Theo's previous postings, but this unit has no markings on the terminals. It has a large terminal (pretty obvious what this is) and three small ones. I assume one is the idiot light, one is the exciter (switched 12v) and the third could be a ground? In any case, there are no markings. Has anyone else used one of these and have a clue on the terminal arrangement? Thanks- Randy _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 9 17:39:23 2010 From: "wsamouce" To: , "'John Stithem'" , Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:34:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Accelerator Pedal Slipping Thanks to you Ron, I was a bit unclear in my post. I cut the groves in the clamping area of the pedal bracket. I did not touch the shaft other then cleaning it up. This, I believe, allows the pedal bracket to bite into the throttle shaft. I used a Dremel to do the job. Hope that is a little clearer. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:54 PM To: wsamouce@kc.rr.com; 'John Stithem'; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Accelerator Pedal Slipping Duke Excellent reply. I have always just recommended cutting the slot bigger to get more clamp force. I did not think about knurling the shaft. I like that idea. Knurling the shaft is the term generally used for making grooves in the shaft. Knurling does not cut the metal it rolls the pattern into the metal. This work hardens the metal or it should work harden the metal; which should give a harder and better surface to clamp on. You would probably need a gap bed lathe or a manual tool if they exist for this job. Ron -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wsamouce@kc.rr.com Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 3:39 PM To: John Stithem; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Accelerator Pedal Slipping I had the same issue. It is fixed now. If you remove the pedal from the shaft, you will see that there is a cut out that decreases in size of the opening when you tighten the bolt which crimps the pedal to the throttle shaft. Mine was just about completely closed when tightened. I cut some material of off one side which allows the opening to close further. Additionally I cut groves across the clamping face to make bteethb that would bite into the shaft. I also replaced the bolt because it was bent. Now a gorilla canbt get the pedal to slip on the shaft. Also, make sure that the floor stop is there and properly adjusted. That way, at WOT, you are not putting undue stress on the pedal and throttle linkage. HTH's Duke B382002037 ---- John Stithem wrote: > Anyone have a good way of keeping the accelerator pedal from slipping. > > During hard acceleration (autocross racing and Hillclimbs) I find the > accelerator pedal has slipped at the pinch joint where it is attached > to the > floorboard. I have tried to tighten it and have had to go a small > Grade 8 bolt (kept snapping the lesser bolts) just to pinch it hard > enough to get it > to work for daily driving. I find after each run while racingI have > to reach down and pull the pedal back up into the correct position. > > > > Thanks in advance for any ideas. > > > > Virginia City Hillclimbs are in 1 = weeks----how many Tigers are > going? > > > > John Stithem > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wsamouce@kc.rr.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3121 - Release Date: 09/09/10 06:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 10 06:00:10 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 05:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] member needing Wilwood brake info I recently offered to help a List member help in locating a gent who sells Wilwood brakes for Tigers. I now have the information BUT I cant find his email. I do have class most of today but if you will respond, I will get you the contact information after class this evening. regards, Tony Lang(TtT) _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 10 07:42:07 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Ross , 'Randy Smith' , Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:42:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alternator Question If you cut a piece of the original harness (to get the connector) then the color coding of the wires can help you since Toyota used standard coloring for most of their harnesses. A white with black stripe wire would be ground IIRC. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ross > Sent: September 9, 2010 5:05 PM > To: 'Randy Smith'; 'Tiger List Serve' > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alternator Question > > Subject: [Tigers] Alternator Question > > Randy, > > Look closely at the pin housing. One should be L (idiot light), one > should > be Ig (ignition switched power), and one should be P (pulsed). I have > not > tried P but its purpose is pulsing for the tachometer. > > Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse > > > Thanks to the folks who helped with recent alternator question. I > settled on a Denso #210-0107 off of a '86 Toyota 4 Runner. It's pretty > compact, has an internal regulator, an idiot light terminal and the > right pulley. I already made up my brackets and have it mounted and > ready to go. My question now is about the wiring for this unit. Has > anyone used this particular unit? I pretty much understand the wiring > per Theo's previous postings, but this unit has no markings on the > terminals. It has a large terminal (pretty obvious what this is) and > three small ones. I assume one is the idiot light, one is the exciter > (switched 12v) and the third could be a ground? In any case, there are > no markings. Has anyone else used one of these and have a clue on the > terminal arrangement? > > Thanks- Randy > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 10 08:09:24 2010 From: Randy Smith To: "Smit, Theo" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:09:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alternator Question Thanks for all the help. Of course, I don't have the plug from the original harness nor is my alternator marked, but I finally tracked down an excellent reference on the net. Check out page 5 which has a very clear picture of the terminals, although the description appears to be a little different for some reason. I have been able to re-confirm the picture on two other sites, so I'm pretty confident that it's correct. Here's the link: http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/h8.pdf Thanks- Randy On 9/10/2010 9:42 AM, Smit, Theo wrote: > If you cut a piece of the original harness (to get the connector) then the > color coding of the wires can help you since Toyota used standard coloring for > most of their harnesses. A white with black stripe wire would be ground IIRC. > > Cheers, > Theo > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- >> bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ross >> Sent: September 9, 2010 5:05 PM >> To: 'Randy Smith'; 'Tiger List Serve' >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alternator Question >> >> Subject: [Tigers] Alternator Question >> >> Randy, >> >> Look closely at the pin housing. One should be L (idiot light), one >> should >> be Ig (ignition switched power), and one should be P (pulsed). I have >> not >> tried P but its purpose is pulsing for the tachometer. >> >> Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse >> >> >> Thanks to the folks who helped with recent alternator question. I >> settled on a Denso #210-0107 off of a '86 Toyota 4 Runner. It's pretty >> compact, has an internal regulator, an idiot light terminal and the >> right pulley. I already made up my brackets and have it mounted and >> ready to go. My question now is about the wiring for this unit. Has >> anyone used this particular unit? I pretty much understand the wiring >> per Theo's previous postings, but this unit has no markings on the >> terminals. It has a large terminal (pretty obvious what this is) and >> three small ones. I assume one is the idiot light, one is the exciter >> (switched 12v) and the third could be a ground? In any case, there are >> no markings. Has anyone else used one of these and have a clue on the >> terminal arrangement? >> >> Thanks- Randy > -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ@cs.com Tiger- B382000189 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 10 08:40:17 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Randy Smith Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:35:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alternator Question >From the description of the terminal connections it looks like you should be connecting the third terminal to a permanent 12V connection, and there would be no damage done if you miswired it temporarily(but the charge light wouldn't come on, and it might not charge). My Toyota alternator is the leftmost one of the three shown on page 12. For a 60 amp alternator, you could run two 10 gauge wires in parallel, which is what I'm doing, or else run a single 8 gauge wire. My 10-gauge wires just run to the big battery cable at the starter solenoid, so they don't have far to go. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randy Smith > Sent: September 10, 2010 8:09 AM > To: Smit, Theo > Cc: 'Tiger List Serve' > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alternator Question > > Thanks for all the help. Of course, I don't have the plug from the > original harness nor is my alternator marked, but I finally tracked > down > an excellent reference on the net. Check out page 5 which has a very > clear picture of the terminals, although the description appears to be > a > little different for some reason. I have been able to re-confirm the > picture on two other sites, so I'm pretty confident that it's correct. > Here's the link: > > http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/h8.pdf > > Thanks- Randy This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 10 13:40:05 2010 From: "Mike Hokanson" To: "Buck Trippel" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:37:15 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion Mr. Trippel - No, you are not confused and you shouldn't be. You should be fully aware of the events that have taken place and actions by individuals that have been involved. In case you need to refresh your memory, I highly recommend that you read the "Suspension History" tab on www.Toyzjunkie.com that spells out the facts and a brief timeline of what has transpired concerning the initial design and development of my crossmember. Perhaps certain people need to take a good look in the mirror and re-evaluate what is permitted to be distributed in relevant publications. The facts on this page speak for themselves and it was apparent that I needed to speak out and set the record straight. I am done dealing with you concerning this subject. Mike Hokanson Northern Nevada ----- Original Message ----- From: Buck Trippel To: Mike Hokanson ; CoolVT@aol.com Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion Mike, I'm confused. You wrote to the list you about 2 years ago that you were ending your crossmember project. Are you taking orders again? Buck Trippel _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 10 14:01:34 2010 From: To: Mike Hokanson , Buck Trippel Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 20:02:03 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion WTH Tiger List? This is a real kick in the nuts to learn what has happened here. I have heard some rumblings over the years about "groups" of Tiger owners and how you are either in or out. Having met many great guys at SUNI, I find this very surprising. Dale, what say you? Duke B382002037 ---- Mike Hokanson wrote: > Mr. Trippel - No, you are not confused and you shouldn't be. You should be > fully aware of the events that have taken place and actions by individuals > that have been involved. In case you need to refresh your memory, I highly > recommend that you read the "Suspension History" tab on www.Toyzjunkie.com > that spells out the facts and a brief timeline of what has transpired > concerning the initial design and development of my crossmember. Perhaps > certain people need to take a good look in the mirror and re-evaluate what is > permitted to be distributed in relevant publications. The facts on this page > speak for themselves and it was apparent that I needed to speak out and set > the record straight. I am done dealing with you concerning this subject. > > Mike Hokanson > Northern Nevada > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Buck Trippel > To: Mike Hokanson ; CoolVT@aol.com > Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 4:41 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering rack conversion > > > > Mike, > I'm confused. You wrote to the list you about 2 years ago that you were > ending your crossmember project. > > Are you taking orders again? > > Buck Trippel > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wsamouce@kc.rr.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 10 14:38:42 2010 From: David T Johnson To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Djoh797014 has moved Due to loss of job and financial constraints, I have moved to a cheaper placed.. Its a senior complex an full of old people using walkers. Most of the rseidents appear to be in their 70's nut are actually just retired (65+). God I hope I don't look like that in the next 10 years. The grey pathers are alive. Quite a stirs when my son pulled up in his Fast an Furious Honda. Wait'll they hear my Tiger pull up. Maybe I'll uncork the dump tubes on the LAT headers. For now work is progressing on fixing my car. Now that I'm not working, maybe I'll have time..just no money. My new address is 940 Wild Indigo Lane - Ste 118 still Indianapolis, IN 46227 still same phone: 317-859-1974 still the same cell: 630-301-4749 still the same email: Djoh797014@aol.com Dave - a grey panther???? _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 10 19:43:36 2010 From: Peter Laurinaitis To: Tom Hall Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 21:44:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Why I care AMEN On Sep 8, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Tom Hall wrote: > This message is in response to a recent question on this forum about who > cares what a VIN Tag is applied to. This _personal_ statement by me, is > designed to answer the question and should not be considered a personnel > attack on any individual. > > I care! And for some reason, I feel compelled after due thought, to > respond to this inquiry on this forum. Sorry, ahead of time, to those > of you that don't care for the continuation of this touchy subject. > > Normally I stay out of discussions involving the STOA TAC program and > VIN transfer, but some Marque enthusiasts seem to have little regard for > applicable laws and other reasonable conventions. I met Ian Garrad in > the late 60's after his separation from Chrysler. From that time until > his untimely death, he was a personal friend of mine and I am honored to > own a few examples of the special vehicles he essentially created. I > have no problem with the assembly of a replica of this design. I do have > a problem when an individual feels justified in applying a VIN Tag from > a Tiger to a replica. > > To many of us owners that feel that Tigers are "something a little > special", this is more than a little offensive and regardless of recent > rants to the contrary, likely illegal in most states. A lot of this has > to do with what I'd call "intent". Once you remove the rivets from one > chassis and knowingly move the VIN Tag to another and replace the > rivets, this becomes "an intent to defraud". This is _not_ repair and > restoration. One can make all the claims one wants about how "Norm" and > everybody else in the Tiger world were informed. The vehicle ID > "applied" stands on it's own. > > That's exactly what's going on here in California, in my town, with a > similar replica. What's going on is that someone else did what was > suggested, moved the Tiger VIN to a new chassis, and now a lot of people > want to know why this is not a Tiger, because to most observers it > appears to be a Tiger, complete with a Tiger VIN. I am very familiar > with this car as it was an early challenge to our TAC program. So here > we are, almost 20 years later facing the same problem. The owner has > confirmed to inquiries, that it is not a "real" Tiger, but it is so > labeled by it's VIN and he's clearly asking Tiger level dollars. It's > never going to get a TAC sticker because we (the collective Tiger > Authentication Committee) can't identify the chassis as a Pressed > Steel/Jensen product. > > So this is why I care, and why other owners and potential owners care, > and in most cases, the government cares. The proper way to identify a > replica Tiger is to leave the Alpine VIN in place or at least get a > state issued ID that identifies the true origin of the chassis. To do > otherwise is just plain wrong. The prevention of this misidentification > was the basis of the development of the STOA TAC program many years ago. > We hope that this program has made a difference in how the public > perceives this Marque, by helping protect it from fraud. Saving an > otherwise damaged or destroyed example of the Marque by moving the VIN > to another chassis is not an OK activity in our world. We have > Authenticated over 10% of the original production of Tigers at this > point, all over the world, almost 50 years after production was > initiated. As anyone can clearly see, our work is clearly ongoing. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 11 16:04:12 2010 From: "wsamouce" To: Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 17:04:05 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach Thanks to Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan@hotmail.com), I am happy with the appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM Tach. A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems. We ended up using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening. Check links for pictures. http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg Thanks again Paul... and Jim! Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 11 17:12:10 2010 From: "Jim" To: "'wsamouce'" , Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 16:10:22 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach Hey Duke That's about perfect !! Glad we took the time to fit the rest of the Jaeger 'bits' on there... Can't wait for my extra faces to arrive... Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wsamouce Sent: September 11, 2010 3:04 PM To: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach Thanks to Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan@hotmail.com), I am happy with the appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM Tach. A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems. We ended up using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening. Check links for pictures. http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg Thanks again Paul... and Jim! Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim@island.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 11 17:26:40 2010 From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 19:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] TIGER _http://ventura.craigslist.org/cto/1948609318.html_ (http://ventura.craigslist.org/cto/1948609318.html) It's on Craigs list not mine _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 11 21:59:40 2010 From: "awtiger" To: "wsamouce" , Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 22:59:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach Wow, Duke!!!! That's very nicely executed!!! I think you just invented the "LAT-22A" tach!!!! Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE ----- Original Message ----- From: "wsamouce" To: Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 5:04 PM Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach > Thanks to Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan@hotmail.com), I am happy with the > appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM > Tach. > > A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems. We ended > up > using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening. > > > Check links for pictures. > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg > > Thanks again Paul... and Jim! > > Duke > B382002037 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 12 04:28:24 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: Tigers@autox.team.net, wsamouce Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 03:28:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach For those who dont know Paul, his work is above approac and he strives for perfection. I'm pleased with all dealing Ive had with Paul. He does excellent work for a better than fair price. I can't wait to get my name on his list- if anyone knows HOW, please have me addedto his list- Paul I will send you an Alpine tach.THANKS, Tony Lang --- On Sat, 9/11/10, wsamouce wrote: From: wsamouce Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach To: Tigers@autox.team.net Date: Saturday, September 11, 2010, 5:04 PM Thanks to Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan@hotmail.com), I am happy with the appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM Tach. A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems. We ended up using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening. Check links for pictures. http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg Thanks again Paul... and Jim! Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 12 18:29:51 2010 From: David T Johnson To: awtiger , wsamouce , Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 17:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach The LAT 22 Tach is not a converted Alpine Tach. Look at the sales brochure for the LAT 22 Tach on Tigers Unitd. The serial numbers on the bottom of the tach are not Aline. Also to the jewels that are in the Tach face. They were from the Brit car it was based on. Proabaly used for the OD light and high beam. Just leave it to a concurs knowledgable judge to point out the issus. 10 demerits for having a fake LAT 22. The Chicago Brit Car Fest ahd over 542+ cars show up. The weather was perfect. 10 Tigers and Alpines ahowed. The usual suspects plus one form a member of Paul Carlstadt's Chicago Sunbeam Car Club. I hadn't seen him in 30 years. Most interesting.. a 1926 4.5 Liter blown Bentley just like Steed and Mrs Peel used. Dave ________________________________ From: awtiger To: wsamouce ; Tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sat, September 11, 2010 11:59:52 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach Wow, Duke!!!! That's very nicely executed!!! I think you just invented the "LAT-22A" tach!!!! Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE ----- Original Message ----- From: "wsamouce" To: Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 5:04 PM Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach > Thanks to Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan@hotmail.com), I am happy with the > appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM > Tach. > > A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems. We ended up > using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening. > > > Check links for pictures. > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg > > Thanks again Paul... and Jim! > > Duke > B382002037 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 12 18:33:54 2010 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 20:34:24 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Say it aint so Joe! "Then a little over a year ago Dale A. tried the same task and he came up with the same conclusion that Brent had: It can't be done properly in a Tiger. This lead Dale to start with a clean sheet of paper which lead to his new suspension that Rob G wrote about a week or so ago." "The car drives dramatically different... easy to steer and tracks like a dream. It drives and handles like a late model sports car now. I am really impressed with his design and how well it works, and everyone who drives my car agrees. If you really want to unlock the potential of the car, you might consider this new crossmember design and remember you can allows unbolt it and return the car to stock configuration." "Mr. Trippel - No, you are not confused and you shouldn't be. You should be fully aware of the events that have taken place and actions by individuals that have been involved. In case you need to refresh your memory, I highly recommend that you read the "Suspension History" tab on www.Toyzjunkie.com that spells out the facts and a brief timeline of what has transpired concerning the initial design and development of my crossmember. " After reading Bob Hokanson's email and looking at his web site, I wondered what in the hell he was talking about. That is until I came across the above emails from the last several months concerning front suspensions for the Tiger. The authors can recognize their own words. At best, this reflects badly on certain well known members of the Tiger community. At worst, the only conclusion you can draw is to involve a lawyer and copyright every thing you do that is innovative. In either case, it is a very sad commentary on a small group of people. Jeff _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 12 20:37:28 2010 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: jxnichols@sbcglobal.net Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 22:37:24 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Say it aint so Joe! Jeff, I haven't followed this thread, so forgive me if I'm going off on a completely wrong tangent, but are you suggesting that someone, somehow would have been able to copyright an aftermarket, Tiger crossmember/wishbone suspension with more advantageous geometry and higher grade components than our cars were delivered with? I don't think so. It isn't as if any of the folks mentioned below did anything more than crib off of widely utilized concepts. To say anything "innovative" has gone on with any of the crossmember designs is kind of hard to validate...maybe some sound engineering, but nothing that could be seen as unique. I'm not taking anything away from any of the folks that have put in the time with the calculation, design and fabrication, I have the greatest respect for their abilities. Look to the Mustang performance world, with Griggs, Maximum Motorsports, and a bunch of second, and first, rate knock offs of the same basic designs for an obvious example. There is no way to copyright proven design that has simply been transferred to a new application. Again, if I'm going down the wrong path, I apologize. I just can't keep up with all the stuff on the Tiger list! Mike In a message dated 9/12/2010 5:34:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jxnichols@sbcglobal.net writes: "Then a little over a year ago Dale A. tried the same task and he came up with the same conclusion that Brent had: It can't be done properly in a Tiger. This lead Dale to start with a clean sheet of paper which lead to his new suspension that Rob G wrote about a week or so ago." "The car drives dramatically different... easy to steer and tracks like a dream. It drives and handles like a late model sports car now. I am really impressed with his design and how well it works, and everyone who drives my car agrees. If you really want to unlock the potential of the car, you might consider this new crossmember design and remember you can allows unbolt it and return the car to stock configuration." "Mr. Trippel - No, you are not confused and you shouldn't be. You should be fully aware of the events that have taken place and actions by individuals that have been involved. In case you need to refresh your memory, I highly recommend that you read the "Suspension History" tab on www.Toyzjunkie.com that spells out the facts and a brief timeline of what has transpired concerning the initial design and development of my crossmember. " After reading Bob Hokanson's email and looking at his web site, I wondered what in the hell he was talking about. That is until I came across the above emails from the last several months concerning front suspensions for the Tiger. The authors can recognize their own words. At best, this reflects badly on certain well known members of the Tiger community. At worst, the only conclusion you can draw is to involve a lawyer and copyright every thing you do that is innovative. In either case, it is a very sad commentary on a small group of people. Jeff _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 13 06:23:29 2010 From: "wsamouce" To: "'David T Johnson'" , "'awtiger'" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:23:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach "Just leave it to a concurs knowledgeable judge to point out the issues. 10 demerits for having a fake LAT 22." You are kidding right? There are no "issues" with my tach and it is not a fake LAT 22. I wanted a tach that WORKS and is a match to the rest of the instruments. I could give a rats ass about concourse judging. Duke B382002037 From: David T Johnson [mailto:djoh797014@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 7:29 PM To: awtiger; wsamouce; Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach The LAT 22 Tach is not a converted Alpine Tach. Look at the sales brochure for the LAT 22 Tach on Tigers Unitd. The serial numbers on the bottom of the tach are not Aline. Also to the jewels that are in the Tach face. They were from the Brit car it was based on. Proabaly used for the OD light and high beam. Just leave it to a concurs knowledgable judge to point out the issus. 10 demerits for having a fake LAT 22. The Chicago Brit Car Fest ahd over 542+ cars show up. The weather was perfect. 10 Tigers and Alpines ahowed. The usual suspects plus one form a member of Paul Carlstadt's Chicago Sunbeam Car Club. I hadn't seen him in 30 years. Most interesting.. a 1926 4.5 Liter blown Bentley just like Steed and Mrs Peel used. Dave _____ From: awtiger To: wsamouce ; Tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sat, September 11, 2010 11:59:52 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach Wow, Duke!!!! That's very nicely executed!!! I think you just invented the "LAT-22A" tach!!!! Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE ----- Original Message ----- From: "wsamouce" To: Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 5:04 PM Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach > Thanks to Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan@hotmail.com), I am happy with the > appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM > Tach. > > A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems. We ended up > using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening. > > > Check links for pictures. > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg > > Thanks again Paul... and Jim! > > Duke > B382002037 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 13 06:47:05 2010 From: Owain Lloyd To: wsamouce Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 13:42:52 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach looks great! someone should sell them ready made. but are you really revving your stock 260 to 6k? i have my rev limit set to 6200 and use the stock tach. i just know roughly where the needle is in the black bit after the red line for 6000 and i'm so used to the sound of the engine at 6000-6200 that i normally don't need to look at the tach. but if i could buy a drop in replacement that looked right for 8k, i would do so. On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:04 PM, wsamouce wrote: > Thanks to Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan@hotmail.com), I am happy with the > appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM > Tach. > > A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems. We ended up > using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening. > > > Check links for pictures. > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg > > Thanks again Paul... and Jim! > > Duke > B382002037 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 13 07:36:58 2010 From: To: wsamouce , 'David T Johnson' Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 9:37:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach Yeah, at first I thought the same thing, Duke. Surely he's kidding...it's hard to tell on the Internet sometimes, though. Some people take this stuff waaaaaaaaaay too seriously. All comments aside, the tach looks great. It sure beats the hell out of using hose clamps to attach an aftermarket unit to the steering column just to have a higher-reading tach! Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE ---- wsamouce wrote: > "Just leave it to a concurs knowledgeable judge to > > point out the issues. 10 demerits for having a > > fake LAT 22." > > > > You are kidding right? There are no "issues" with my tach and it is not a > fake LAT 22. I wanted a tach that WORKS and is a match to the rest of the > instruments. > > > > I could give a rats ass about concourse judging. > > > > Duke > > B382002037 > > > > From: David T Johnson [mailto:djoh797014@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 7:29 PM > To: awtiger; wsamouce; Tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach > > > > The LAT 22 Tach is not a converted Alpine Tach. > > Look at the sales brochure for the LAT 22 Tach > > on Tigers Unitd. The serial numbers on the bottom > > of the tach are not Aline. Also to the jewels that > > are in the Tach face. They were from the Brit car > > it was based on. Proabaly used for the OD light > > and high beam. > > > > Just leave it to a concurs knowledgable judge to > > point out the issus. 10 demerits for having a > > fake LAT 22. > > > > The Chicago Brit Car Fest ahd over 542+ cars > > show up. The weather was perfect. 10 Tigers > > and Alpines ahowed. The usual suspects plus > > one form a member of Paul Carlstadt's > > Chicago Sunbeam Car Club. I hadn't seen him > > in 30 years. > > > > Most interesting.. a 1926 4.5 Liter blown Bentley > > just like Steed and Mrs Peel used. > > > > Dave > > > > _____ > > From: awtiger > To: wsamouce ; Tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Sat, September 11, 2010 11:59:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach > > Wow, Duke!!!! That's very nicely executed!!! I think you just invented the > "LAT-22A" tach!!!! > > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "wsamouce" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 5:04 PM > Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach > > > > Thanks to Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan@hotmail.com), I am happy with the > > appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM > > Tach. > > > > A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems. We ended > up > > using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening. > > > > > > Check links for pictures. > > > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg > > > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg > > > > Thanks again Paul... and Jim! > > > > Duke > > B382002037 > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 13 08:00:43 2010 From: Gabbard Gabbard To: awtiger@cox.net, wsamouce , David T Johnson Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 06:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Pink Tiger Does anyone know the fate of the Jo Collins Playmate of the Year (Aug. 1965) pink Tiger Mk I? _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 13 08:08:17 2010 From: To: awtiger@cox.net, Tigers@autox.team.net, 'David T Johnson' Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:08:59 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach Additionally, the LAT 22 tach does not even match the other instruments. Even if I had one, and it was accurate, I would not use it. Duke B382002037 ---- awtiger@cox.net wrote: > Yeah, at first I thought the same thing, Duke. Surely he's kidding...it's hard to tell on the Internet sometimes, though. Some people take this stuff waaaaaaaaaay too seriously. > > All comments aside, the tach looks great. It sure beats the hell out of using hose clamps to attach an aftermarket unit to the steering column just to have a higher-reading tach! > > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE > > ---- wsamouce wrote: > > "Just leave it to a concurs knowledgeable judge to > > > > point out the issues. 10 demerits for having a > > > > fake LAT 22." > > > > > > > > You are kidding right? There are no "issues" with my tach and it is not a > > fake LAT 22. I wanted a tach that WORKS and is a match to the rest of the > > instruments. > > > > > > > > I could give a rats ass about concourse judging. > > > > > > > > Duke > > > > B382002037 > > > > > > > > From: David T Johnson [mailto:djoh797014@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 7:29 PM > > To: awtiger; wsamouce; Tigers@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach > > > > > > > > The LAT 22 Tach is not a converted Alpine Tach. > > > > Look at the sales brochure for the LAT 22 Tach > > > > on Tigers Unitd. The serial numbers on the bottom > > > > of the tach are not Aline. Also to the jewels that > > > > are in the Tach face. They were from the Brit car > > > > it was based on. Proabaly used for the OD light > > > > and high beam. > > > > > > > > Just leave it to a concurs knowledgable judge to > > > > point out the issus. 10 demerits for having a > > > > fake LAT 22. > > > > > > > > The Chicago Brit Car Fest ahd over 542+ cars > > > > show up. The weather was perfect. 10 Tigers > > > > and Alpines ahowed. The usual suspects plus > > > > one form a member of Paul Carlstadt's > > > > Chicago Sunbeam Car Club. I hadn't seen him > > > > in 30 years. > > > > > > > > Most interesting.. a 1926 4.5 Liter blown Bentley > > > > just like Steed and Mrs Peel used. > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: awtiger > > To: wsamouce ; Tigers@autox.team.net > > Sent: Sat, September 11, 2010 11:59:52 PM > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach > > > > Wow, Duke!!!! That's very nicely executed!!! I think you just invented the > > "LAT-22A" tach!!!! > > > > Andy Walker > > Edmond, OK > > B382001600LRXFE > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "wsamouce" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 5:04 PM > > Subject: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach > > > > > > > Thanks to Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan@hotmail.com), I am happy with the > > > appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM > > > Tach. > > > > > > A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems. We ended > > up > > > using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening. > > > > > > > > > Check links for pictures. > > > > > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg > > > > > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg > > > > > > Thanks again Paul... and Jim! > > > > > > Duke > > > B382002037 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 13 08:15:41 2010 From: To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 9:10:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach No, I don't usually go above 5500. The 6000 is for the 347 I am building. Jim is thinking about makeing a few that are ready to go. Duke B382002037 ---- Owain Lloyd wrote: > looks great! > someone should sell them ready made. > > but are you really revving your stock 260 to 6k? > > i have my rev limit set to 6200 and use the stock tach. i just know roughly > where the needle is in the black bit after the red line for 6000 and i'm so > used to the sound of the engine at 6000-6200 that i normally don't need to > look at the tach. but if i could buy a drop in replacement that looked > right for 8k, i would do so. > > On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:04 PM, wsamouce wrote: > > > Thanks to Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan@hotmail.com), I am happy with the > > appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM > > Tach. > > > > A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems. We ended up > > using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening. > > > > > > Check links for pictures. > > > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg > > > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg > > > > Thanks again Paul... and Jim! > > > > Duke > > B382002037 > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 13 08:34:45 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "MWood24020@aol.com" , "jxnichols@sbcglobal.net" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:28:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Say it aint so Joe! I don't really want to wade into this trainwreck. But I notice that many of the performance improvement or repair items we put on our Tigers have the designer or seller's name attached to it. We have Dan Walters' traction arm. Doug Jennings' fulcrum pins. Dale's Midget rack conversion. Three things about that: It identifies the source of the part. It acknowledges the contribution of the designer. And in some weird way, it establishes a pedigree for the part. The last thing bothers me a little. Because it implies that when you get your stuff from someone else (or if you design your own) it's somehow not as good. Or conversely, if you have two identical things and one is made by a little known guy and the other is made by or sold through a well-known place, then automatically the part from the well-known place is deemed to be better. Front suspension design is a reasonably well-known art. Within a broad range the requirement for caster, camber, and toe change as a function of suspension travel can be made adjustable and you could have two fabricated suspensions and crossmember designs that did nearly the same thing while having no common roots (other than being designed to fit the same car). Sometimes the relative timing of things is coincidental and the near-simultaneous emergence of two or more similar products is more a result of coincidence and external forces than of direct competition between two designers. However, in this case the chronology of things puts Hokanson's suspension first. That may have served as inspiration for Dale's product, or maybe more than that, but outside of direct knowledge of how each design was arrived at (do they have the same A-arm design and mountings? Is the crossmember built in the same way? Is the spindle design the same? Who has the original CAD simulation work to back up their claims?) it's hard (for me) to say whether Dale's crossmember should be regarded as a copy or as a parallel design. All I can say is it's dumb that we should even need to have this thread on the mailing list. United we stand, and all that. Give credit where it's due. Cheers, Theo This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 13 08:54:19 2010 From: David T Johnson To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com, wsamouce Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach True Story John Clegg ex Rootes engineer who worked on the prototype John sow live in souithern IN. John said Rootes would let anyone take the cars for a weekend. Soon they were being erturned with notes: "engine runs rough. Miss in Engine. Etc' The Rootes realized the problem and added a warning to the cars. 'This is an American V-8. DO NOT shift at 6000 RPM like the Alpine 4 cyl. As to the lister who commented about concurs. I the list has issues with Algers being passed as Tigers, the same issues apply here. Put any tach you want in your car, But don't call it a LAT 22 tach unless it really is. LAT 22 systle is OK. Personally I prefer the Sun Tach that was an option jsut like Ken Bishop's MK II Dave ________________________________ From: Owain Lloyd To: wsamouce Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 8:42:52 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach looks great! someone should sell them ready made. but are you really revving your stock 260 to 6k? i have my rev limit set to 6200 and use the stock tach. i just know roughly where the needle is in the black bit after the red line for 6000 and i'm so used to the sound of the engine at 6000-6200 that i normally don't need to look at the tach. but if i could buy a drop in replacement that looked right for 8k, i would do so. On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:04 PM, wsamouce wrote: > Thanks to Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan@hotmail.com), I am happy with the > appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM > Tach. > > A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems. We ended up > using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening. > > > Check links for pictures. > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg > > Thanks again Paul... and Jim! > > Duke > B382002037 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 13 09:20:58 2010 From: "Jim" To: "'David T Johnson'" , , Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 08:10:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach I'm not sure where this fake LAT 22 talk came from... All Paul, Duke and I did was take a modern 8k tach and make it match the look of a stock Tiger 5k tach ... not calling it LAT anything...(although didn't someone jokingly call it an LAT22 'A' ?) What Rootes did was offer a recalibrated 7k Sprite/Midget tach that looked nothing like the original... but of course, yes, it would be concours correct. I DO plan to assemble and sell at least one more beyond the one going in my car. I sent Paul a few extra faces to be redone for that purpose. Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David T Johnson Sent: September 13, 2010 7:55 AM To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com; wsamouce Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach True Story John Clegg ex Rootes engineer who worked on the prototype John sow live in souithern IN. John said Rootes would let anyone take the cars for a weekend. Soon they were being erturned with notes: "engine runs rough. Miss in Engine. Etc' The Rootes realized the problem and added a warning to the cars. 'This is an American V-8. DO NOT shift at 6000 RPM like the Alpine 4 cyl. As to the lister who commented about concurs. I the list has issues with Algers being passed as Tigers, the same issues apply here. Put any tach you want in your car, But don't call it a LAT 22 tach unless it really is. LAT 22 systle is OK. Personally I prefer the Sun Tach that was an option jsut like Ken Bishop's MK II Dave ________________________________ From: Owain Lloyd To: wsamouce Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 8:42:52 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach looks great! someone should sell them ready made. but are you really revving your stock 260 to 6k? i have my rev limit set to 6200 and use the stock tach. i just know roughly where the needle is in the black bit after the red line for 6000 and i'm so used to the sound of the engine at 6000-6200 that i normally don't need to look at the tach. but if i could buy a drop in replacement that looked right for 8k, i would do so. On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:04 PM, wsamouce wrote: > Thanks to Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan@hotmail.com), I am happy with the > appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM > Tach. > > A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems. We ended up > using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening. > > > Check links for pictures. > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg > > Thanks again Paul... and Jim! > > Duke > B382002037 > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 13 09:35:36 2010 From: To: wsamouce , David T Johnson Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:36:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach Dave: I suggest you go back and re-read my post...only this time with a sense of humor. You will see that I never said the tach in Duke's car was a LAT-22 unit. It was a joke...do you get it now? Trust me, bud...I know what a LAT-22 tach is; I've got one in my car. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE ---- David T Johnson wrote: > True Story > > John Clegg ex Rootes engineer who worked on the prototype > John > sow live in souithern IN. John said Rootes would let anyone > take the cars for > a weekend. Soon they were being erturned with > notes: "engine runs rough. > Miss in Engine. Etc' The Rootes realized the > problem and added a warning to > the cars. 'This is an American V-8. > DO NOT shift at 6000 RPM like the Alpine > 4 cyl. > > As to the lister who commented about concurs. I the list has > issues > with Algers being passed as Tigers, the same issues > apply here. Put any tach > you want in your car, But don't > call it a LAT 22 tach unless it really is. > LAT 22 systle is OK. > Personally I prefer the Sun Tach that was an option jsut > like Ken Bishop's MK II > > Dave > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: > Owain Lloyd > To: wsamouce > Cc: > Tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 8:42:52 AM > Subject: Re: > [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach > > looks great! > someone should sell them > ready made. > > but are you really revving your stock 260 to 6k? > > i have my rev > limit set to 6200 and use the stock tach. i just know roughly > where the > needle is in the black bit after the red line for 6000 and i'm so > used to the > sound of the engine at 6000-6200 that i normally don't need to > look at the > tach. but if i could buy a drop in replacement that looked > right for 8k, i > would do so. > > On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:04 PM, wsamouce > wrote: > > > Thanks to Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan@hotmail.com), I am happy with the > > appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM > > > Tach. > > > > A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems. We > ended up > > using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening. > > > > > > > Check links for pictures. > > > > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg > > > > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg > > > > Thanks again > Paul... and Jim! > > > > Duke > > B382002037 > > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: > http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 13 09:48:56 2010 From: To: 'wsamouce' , 'David T Johnson' Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:41:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach Jim: The "fake" LAT-22 tach thread evidently started with Dave mis-reading my post to Duke about him inventing the "LAT-22A" tach. There was no attempt by me to characterize it to be a LAT-22 tach. It was a joke that was apparently mis-understood. As for the tach in question, all the parties involved in it's creation did a magnificent job on it! If one of those would have been offered by Rootes, I'm sure it would have looked just like that. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE ---- Jim wrote: > I'm not sure where this fake LAT 22 talk came from... All Paul, Duke and I > did was take a modern 8k tach and make it match the look of a stock Tiger 5k > tach ... not calling it LAT anything...(although didn't someone jokingly > call it an LAT22 'A' ?) What Rootes did was offer a recalibrated 7k > Sprite/Midget tach that looked nothing like the original... but of course, > yes, it would be concours correct. > I DO plan to assemble and sell at least one more beyond the one going in my > car. I sent Paul a few extra faces to be redone for that purpose. > > Jim > B382000446 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of David T Johnson > Sent: September 13, 2010 7:55 AM > To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com; wsamouce > Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach > > True Story > > John Clegg ex Rootes engineer who worked on the prototype > John > sow live in souithern IN. John said Rootes would let anyone > take the cars for > a weekend. Soon they were being erturned with > notes: "engine runs rough. > Miss in Engine. Etc' The Rootes realized the > problem and added a warning to > the cars. 'This is an American V-8. > DO NOT shift at 6000 RPM like the Alpine > 4 cyl. > > As to the lister who commented about concurs. I the list has > issues > with Algers being passed as Tigers, the same issues > apply here. Put any tach > you want in your car, But don't > call it a LAT 22 tach unless it really is. > LAT 22 systle is OK. > Personally I prefer the Sun Tach that was an option jsut > like Ken Bishop's MK II > > Dave > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: > Owain Lloyd > To: wsamouce > Cc: > Tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 8:42:52 AM > Subject: Re: > [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach > > looks great! > someone should sell them > ready made. > > but are you really revving your stock 260 to 6k? > > i have my rev > limit set to 6200 and use the stock tach. i just know roughly > where the > needle is in the black bit after the red line for 6000 and i'm so > used to the > sound of the engine at 6000-6200 that i normally don't need to > look at the > tach. but if i could buy a drop in replacement that looked > right for 8k, i > would do so. > > On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:04 PM, wsamouce > wrote: > > > Thanks to Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan@hotmail.com), I am happy with the > > appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM > > > Tach. > > > > A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems. We > ended up > > using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening. > > > > > > > Check links for pictures. > > > > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg > > > > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg > > > > Thanks again > Paul... and Jim! > > > > Duke > > B382002037 > > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 13 10:09:10 2010 From: Rollright@aol.com To: wsamouce@kc.rr.com, tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:08:51 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Super Tach Duke, That tach is super ! Good work to all involved. Seems that one would need three components: 1) the tach 2) an Alpine tach face 3) custom lettering Could you please share the model and part number of the unit you used for the tach (#1) with us? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 13 10:19:25 2010 From: To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net, Rollright@aol.com Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 16:16:52 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Super Tach Here you go - You can get the tach for $122 here - http://www.re-racing.com/Gauges/Tachometer/Cobra/Auto-Meter-AM-201004-p7010036.html Duke B382002037 ---- Rollright@aol.com wrote: > Duke, > > That tach is super ! Good work to all involved. > > Seems that one would need three components: > > 1) the tach > 2) an Alpine tach face > 3) custom lettering > > Could you please share the model and part number of the unit you used for > the tach (#1) with us? > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 13 10:48:30 2010 From: "Jim" To: , , Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:43:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Super Tach Hi Jim Actually, you need a little more than that... To make one of these tachs you will need the Autometer Cobra #201004 tach, one of Paul's reworked Alpine faces ( you supply it ) and the inner and outer(chrome) bezel from a 4" Jaeger instrument along with front glass( an old speedo has these same parts ) and a matching needle from a Jaeger tach. I don't think the speedo needle will work as it's quite a bit heavier than the tach needle. You then have to some mods to the Autometer case to make it all fit... HTH Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com Sent: September 13, 2010 9:09 AM To: wsamouce@kc.rr.com; tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Super Tach Duke, That tach is super ! Good work to all involved. Seems that one would need three components: 1) the tach 2) an Alpine tach face 3) custom lettering Could you please share the model and part number of the unit you used for the tach (#1) with us? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 13 10:50:55 2010 From: "wsamouce" To: "'Jim'" , , Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:51:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Super Tach I just used the bezels, needle and glass from my OEM Tach. You will need a Dremel tool too. I also painted the inside top section with light blue paint like the OEM housing. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: Jim [mailto:jim@island.net] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 11:43 AM To: Rollright@aol.com; wsamouce@kc.rr.com; tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Super Tach Hi Jim Actually, you need a little more than that... To make one of these tachs you will need the Autometer Cobra #201004 tach, one of Paul's reworked Alpine faces ( you supply it ) and the inner and outer(chrome) bezel from a 4" Jaeger instrument along with front glass( an old speedo has these same parts ) and a matching needle from a Jaeger tach. I don't think the speedo needle will work as it's quite a bit heavier than the tach needle. You then have to some mods to the Autometer case to make it all fit... HTH Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com Sent: September 13, 2010 9:09 AM To: wsamouce@kc.rr.com; tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Super Tach Duke, That tach is super ! Good work to all involved. Seems that one would need three components: 1) the tach 2) an Alpine tach face 3) custom lettering Could you please share the model and part number of the unit you used for the tach (#1) with us? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 13 10:53:07 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: wsamouce , 'Jim' , Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:53:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Super Tach Do you also make the tach illegible at night like the OEM piece? Add some darkness? ;) Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wsamouce > Sent: September 13, 2010 10:52 AM > To: 'Jim'; Rollright@aol.com; tigers@Autox.Team.Net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Super Tach > > I just used the bezels, needle and glass from my OEM Tach. > > You will need a Dremel tool too. I also painted the inside top section > with > light blue paint like the OEM housing. > > Duke > B382002037 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim [mailto:jim@island.net] > Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 11:43 AM > To: Rollright@aol.com; wsamouce@kc.rr.com; tigers@Autox.Team.Net > Subject: RE: [Tigers] Super Tach > > Hi Jim > > Actually, you need a little more than that... > > To make one of these tachs you will need the Autometer Cobra #201004 > tach, > one of Paul's reworked Alpine faces ( you supply it ) and the inner and > outer(chrome) bezel from a 4" Jaeger instrument along with front glass( > an > old speedo has these same parts ) and a matching needle from a Jaeger > tach. > I don't think the speedo needle will work as it's quite a bit heavier > than > the tach needle. > You then have to some mods to the Autometer case to make it all fit... > > HTH > > Jim > B382000446 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com > Sent: September 13, 2010 9:09 AM > To: wsamouce@kc.rr.com; tigers@Autox.Team.Net > Subject: [Tigers] Super Tach > > Duke, > > That tach is super ! Good work to all involved. > > Seems that one would need three components: > > 1) the tach > 2) an Alpine tach face > 3) custom lettering > > Could you please share the model and part number of the unit you used > for > the tach (#1) with us? > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 13 11:06:29 2010 From: "Jim" To: "'Smit, Theo'" , "'wsamouce'" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 10:00:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Super Tach Theo... At the very least, that would require using the original bulb and socket which DOES actually fit the back of the Autometer case. Unfortunately, it doesn't have a ground wire . The Autometer socket has 2 wires for ease of hookup. I suppose you could find a smaller wattage bulb or wire in a resistor to keep the brightness down... ;) Jim -----Original Message----- From: Smit, Theo [mailto:Theo.Smit@dynastream.com] Sent: September 13, 2010 9:54 AM To: wsamouce; 'Jim'; Rollright@aol.com; tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Super Tach Do you also make the tach illegible at night like the OEM piece? Add some darkness? ;) Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wsamouce > Sent: September 13, 2010 10:52 AM > To: 'Jim'; Rollright@aol.com; tigers@Autox.Team.Net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Super Tach > > I just used the bezels, needle and glass from my OEM Tach. > > You will need a Dremel tool too. I also painted the inside top section > with > light blue paint like the OEM housing. > > Duke > B382002037 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim [mailto:jim@island.net] > Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 11:43 AM > To: Rollright@aol.com; wsamouce@kc.rr.com; tigers@Autox.Team.Net > Subject: RE: [Tigers] Super Tach > > Hi Jim > > Actually, you need a little more than that... > > To make one of these tachs you will need the Autometer Cobra #201004 > tach, > one of Paul's reworked Alpine faces ( you supply it ) and the inner and > outer(chrome) bezel from a 4" Jaeger instrument along with front glass( > an > old speedo has these same parts ) and a matching needle from a Jaeger > tach. > I don't think the speedo needle will work as it's quite a bit heavier > than > the tach needle. > You then have to some mods to the Autometer case to make it all fit... > > HTH > > Jim > B382000446 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com > Sent: September 13, 2010 9:09 AM > To: wsamouce@kc.rr.com; tigers@Autox.Team.Net > Subject: [Tigers] Super Tach > > Duke, > > That tach is super ! Good work to all involved. > > Seems that one would need three components: > > 1) the tach > 2) an Alpine tach face > 3) custom lettering > > Could you please share the model and part number of the unit you used > for > the tach (#1) with us? > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 13 14:36:04 2010 From: TIGEROOTES@aol.com To: gabbardalex@att.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 16:36:23 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pink Tiger >From about ten years ago, the rumor heard in PTC is the car is no longer pink and it resides in British Columbia. Jo Collins went to High School with a PTC Member and he fondly recalls her driving the pink Tiger thru Albany, Oregon. He was driving a Corvette and she blew his doors off. He sold the Vette and bought a MK-2 Tiger, which he still owns. Jim _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 13 15:38:34 2010 From: "James Lindner" To: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:39:03 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Conversion to Alternator Good Afternoon Let me start by apologizing if this is a duplicate message. I did not receive confirmation that my previous email had been sent so I am resending. Thanks. After a 125 mile drive on Satuday I noticed my battery was a bit weak and I had trouble starting the car when I went to pull it into the garage sat night. I got it started and put to bed for the night and then checked the battery with a meter the next day. The meter reading barely reached 12v. At 1200 rpm the reading was not any better. When I revved the engine a few times the ammeter barely moved to positive. Obviously the battery (a relatively new Optima) was not getting a decent charge. My Mk1 has a rebuilt generator that is 7 years old. At this point I am considering converting to an alternator. I understand I will get a better charge but there are also alignment issues. I was seeking input from the list on the pros and cons of converting to an alternator or just sticking with another rebuilt generator. Also, if I do convert to an alternator what are the options for a replacement. Thanks, Jim Lindner B9470033 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 13 15:49:22 2010 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: jliny5@cox.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:49:51 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Conversion to Alternator Jim, The first thing I would do is be very sure the battery terminals are clean and that the connection of the ground strap from the engine to the frame is nice and shiney. Then I would check the output at the generator to be sure that the generator is the problem. You might also check that you don't have a faulty battery no matter how new it is. If you decide to swap to an alternator the simplest (and most expensive route) is to get an aluminum bracket from one of the Tiger suppliers and get the alternator that they suggest. The alignement issues should be taken care of. Or you can ask the list and try to find a cheaper bracket that works and go with an alternator that has worked for others. You should find recommendations and guidance for the needed alternator and wiring on this site. _http://www.team.net/archive/tigers/_ (http://www.team.net/archive/tigers/) Mark L _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 13 16:24:40 2010 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, James Lindner Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:24:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Conversion to Alternator I am using this 1 wire alternator from Summit. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/TFF-7078NB/ CAT sells a mounting bracket kit that fits this alternator nicely. Erich ---- James Lindner wrote: > Good Afternoon > > Let me start by apologizing if this is a duplicate message. I did not receive > confirmation that my previous email had been sent so I am resending. Thanks. > > > After a 125 mile drive on Satuday I noticed my battery was a bit weak and I > had trouble starting the car when I went to pull it into the garage sat night. > I got it started and put to bed for the night and then checked the battery > with a meter the next day. The meter reading barely reached 12v. At 1200 rpm > the reading was not any better. When I revved the engine a few times the > ammeter barely moved to positive. Obviously the battery (a relatively new > Optima) was not getting a decent charge. > My Mk1 has a rebuilt generator that is 7 years old. > > At this point I am considering converting to an alternator. I understand I > will get a better charge but there are also alignment issues. I was seeking > input from the list on the pros and cons of converting to an alternator or > just sticking with another rebuilt generator. Also, if I do convert to an > alternator what are the options for a replacement. > > Thanks, > > Jim Lindner > B9470033 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner@cox.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 13 20:19:57 2010 From: David T Johnson To: Jim , owain.lloyd@gmail.com, wsamouce Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 19:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach You are correct in that I over reacted to LAT 22A. My appologizes tp those offended. In my early Tiger days, everyone used the Sun Super tach in almose every car. Later some people were using tachs from a TR8. Perfect fit and already for a V8. Donor TR8's are very tough tp find. Dave ________________________________ From: Jim To: David T Johnson ; owain.lloyd@gmail.com; wsamouce Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 11:10:52 AM Subject: RE: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach I'm not sure where this fake LAT 22 talk came from... All Paul, Duke and I did was take a modern 8k tach and make it match the look of a stock Tiger 5k tach ... not calling it LAT anything...(although didn't someone jokingly call it an LAT22 'A' ?) What Rootes did was offer a recalibrated 7k Sprite/Midget tach that looked nothing like the original... but of course, yes, it would be concours correct. I DO plan to assemble and sell at least one more beyond the one going in my car. I sent Paul a few extra faces to be redone for that purpose. Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David T Johnson Sent: September 13, 2010 7:55 AM To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com; wsamouce Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach True Story John Clegg ex Rootes engineer who worked on the prototype John sow live in souithern IN. John said Rootes would let anyone take the cars for a weekend. Soon they were being erturned with notes: "engine runs rough. Miss in Engine. Etc' The Rootes realized the problem and added a warning to the cars. 'This is an American V-8. DO NOT shift at 6000 RPM like the Alpine 4 cyl. As to the lister who commented about concurs. I the list has issues with Algers being passed as Tigers, the same issues apply here. Put any tach you want in your car, But don't call it a LAT 22 tach unless it really is. LAT 22 systle is OK. Personally I prefer the Sun Tach that was an option jsut like Ken Bishop's MK II Dave ________________________________ From: Owain Lloyd To: wsamouce Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 8:42:52 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] AutoMeter 8000 Cobra Tach looks great! someone should sell them ready made. but are you really revving your stock 260 to 6k? i have my rev limit set to 6200 and use the stock tach. i just know roughly where the needle is in the black bit after the red line for 6000 and i'm so used to the sound of the engine at 6000-6200 that i normally don't need to look at the tach. but if i could buy a drop in replacement that looked right for 8k, i would do so. On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:04 PM, wsamouce wrote: > Thanks to Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan@hotmail.com), I am happy with the > appearance and PERFECT function of the electronic AutoMeter Cobra 8000 RPM > Tach. > > A very affordable option to all of the original tach problems. We ended up > using a Alpine tach face and Paul's custom silk screening. > > > Check links for pictures. > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/012-1.jpg > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011.jpg > > Thanks again Paul... and Jim! > > Duke > B382002037 > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 15 06:54:18 2010 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:54:17 EDT Subject: [Tigers] finding an engine part Hello, After my original 260 engine was rebuilt, I got a small supply of "extra" parts returned to me. I took a look this morning at a set of 8 parts (CLUE!) After thinking about it I took out an exhaust manifold. Lo and behold, the part in question is a weird sort of locking washer, bent, stepped, with two holes for bolts and locking tabs, one unit for each exhaust port. It is shown in Tiger Parts List supplement in illustration Plate B - section AF and called out as # 129, and described in the "locking tab-Exhaust manifold mounting bolt" Rootes # 6100040 and Ford # C20Z-9A447-A. Does anyone know if this part is still available, and does anybody have any idea where I can get 8 new ones? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 15 07:04:25 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:01:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] finding an engine part Jim These parts are available at most of the Ford Vendors. NPD has them $11.50 MAC's has them $11.95 Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:54 AM To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] finding an engine part Hello, After my original 260 engine was rebuilt, I got a small supply of "extra" parts returned to me. I took a look this morning at a set of 8 parts (CLUE!) After thinking about it I took out an exhaust manifold. Lo and behold, the part in question is a weird sort of locking washer, bent, stepped, with two holes for bolts and locking tabs, one unit for each exhaust port. It is shown in Tiger Parts List supplement in illustration Plate B - section AF and called out as # 129, and described in the "locking tab-Exhaust manifold mounting bolt" Rootes # 6100040 and Ford # C20Z-9A447-A. Does anyone know if this part is still available, and does anybody have any idea where I can get 8 new ones? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3134 - Release Date: 09/15/10 06:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 15 07:57:04 2010 From: Tom Parker To: Rollright@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:57:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] finding an engine part Jim, Take a look at either Year One's Ford Mustang online catalog or NPD's Mustang online catalog. I'll bet one of those companies carries the locking tabs. Tom On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 8:54 AM, wrote: > Hello, > > After my original 260 engine was rebuilt, I got a small supply of "extra" > parts returned to me. I took a look this morning at a set of 8 parts > (CLUE!) After thinking about it I took out an exhaust manifold. Lo and > behold, > the part in question is a weird sort of locking washer, bent, stepped, > with > two holes for bolts and locking tabs, one unit for each exhaust port. > > It is shown in Tiger Parts List supplement in illustration Plate B - > section AF and called out as # 129, and described in the "locking > tab-Exhaust > manifold mounting bolt" Rootes # 6100040 and Ford # > C20Z-9A447-A. > > Does anyone know if this part is still available, and does anybody have any > idea where I can get 8 new ones? > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 15 12:21:32 2010 From: GRMTim@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:10:47 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Classic Motorsports Tiger on the Going to the Sun Rally Hey Guys, Just got back from an incredible week with the Tiger on the Going to the Sun Rally in Montana, Idaho and Wyoming with my dad. What a great 1200 mile event and what a great place to stretch the Tiger's legs. Car ran very well and very fast with speeds often over 100 mph. I am so happy with the way this car turned out and want to thank Bill Martin and a host of others for some sorting tips. Even with the Top Loader the 3.07:1 final drive Barry built for me worked great. Never felt like I needed a fifth gear after switch to 23.9" diameter tires. New Dale's Restorations springs transformed the handling. Got to switch cars with a guy in a 427 Cobra and while that car is fast, it wasn't much faster and not nearly as comfortable as the Tiger. Put me down for the Sunbeam Tiger being perhaps, the best car in the world. Got a few pics and details on our Classic site under project car updates. Full story to come in the magazine. Thanks again to all of you who have talked to me and helped me on this project. Man am I happy I picked a Tiger. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 15 12:41:18 2010 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "GRMTim@aol.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:41:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Classic Motorsports Tiger on the Going to the Sun Rally Shhhh! That is why the Sunbeam Tiger is the greatest undervalued car in the world (no hyperbole!). Glad you had a great time and enjoy the car so much. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GRMTim@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:11 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Cc: tom@grassrootsmotorsports.com; andy@grassrootsmotorsports.com Subject: [Tigers] Classic Motorsports Tiger on the Going to the Sun Rally Hey Guys, Just got back from an incredible week with the Tiger on the Going to the Sun Rally in Montana, Idaho and Wyoming with my dad. What a great 1200 mile event and what a great place to stretch the Tiger's legs. Car ran very well and very fast with speeds often over 100 mph. I am so happy with the way this car turned out and want to thank Bill Martin and a host of others for some sorting tips. Even with the Top Loader the 3.07:1 final drive Barry built for me worked great. Never felt like I needed a fifth gear after switch to 23.9" diameter tires. New Dale's Restorations springs transformed the handling. Got to switch cars with a guy in a 427 Cobra and while that car is fast, it wasn't much faster and not nearly as comfortable as the Tiger. Put me down for the Sunbeam Tiger being perhaps, the best car in the world. Got a few pics and details on our Classic site under project car updates. Full story to come in the magazine. Thanks again to all of you who have talked to me and helped me on this project. Man am I happy I picked a Tiger. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 15 13:13:11 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:13:37 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] September is Auto-x season! http://www.flickr.com/photos/grant_subaru/4986110649/in/set-72157624947389816 / Next event in Calgary is this Sunday at Deerfoot Mall. Cheers, Theo ________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 15 13:51:04 2010 From: GRMTim@aol.com To: barncobob@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:46:54 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Classic Motorsports Tiger on the Going to the Sun Rally Pack Racing 15x6 front, 15x6 rear 205 55, 15: Yokohama S drive tires. Wheel wells need to be trimmed slightly to fit. Hope this helps Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 15 13:51:35 2010 From: GRMTim@aol.com To: dave@munroe.ca, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:49:37 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Classic Motorsports Tiger on the Going to the Sun Rally Robbins has this dark blue cloth top in their catalog. it first and looks really nice. In a message dated 9/15/10 3:41:15 PM, dave@munroe.ca writes: > Hi Tim; > > Your comments have no doubt added value to the entire Tiger > fleet...Thanks! > > I followed your Tiger project right through to the end in Classic > Motorsports, and admire your work. I was interested in your comments > regarding the 3:07's, as that is what I have in my Tiger. > > I was not happy with the performance of these gears, as most of our Tiger > use is medium to long trips with my wife, and I didn't like the revs at > highway speeds. But interestingly, I had some internal mechanical issues > with my engine, which were corrected this spring, and the 3:07's have > ceased > to be an issue. > > Its nice to have another opinion, as I began to think I was accommodating > to > the revs, rather than actually recognizing the newly found comfort with > the > much smoother, better performing engine. > > BTW, I need a new top, and you mentioned you had a very nice, non-stock, > top > made, but I don't recall from whom you bought it. Can you give me a clue? > > Thanks Tim. > > Dave Munroe > B382000450 Waverley, Nova Scotia > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: ; > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 3:10 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Classic Motorsports Tiger on the Going to the Sun Rally > > > > Hey Guys, > > > > Just got back from an incredible week with the Tiger on the Going to the > > Sun Rally in Montana, Idaho and Wyoming with my dad. What a great 1200 > > mile > > event and what a great place to stretch the Tiger's legs. Car ran very > > well > > and very fast with speeds often over 100 mph. I am so happy with the way > > this > > car turned out and want to thank Bill Martin and a host of others for > some > > sorting tips. Even with the Top Loader the 3.07:1 final drive Barry > built > > for > > me worked great. Never felt like I needed a fifth gear after switch to > > 23.9" diameter tires. New Dale's Restorations springs transformed the > > handling. > > > > Got to switch cars with a guy in a 427 Cobra and while that car is fast, > > it > > wasn't much faster and not nearly as comfortable as the Tiger. Put me > down > > for the Sunbeam Tiger being perhaps, the best car in the world. > > > > Got a few pics and details on our Classic site under project car > updates. > > Full story to come in the magazine. Thanks again to all of you who have > > talked to me and helped me on this project. Man am I happy I picked a > > Tiger. > > > > Tim Suddard > > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > > www.classicmotorsports.net > > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > > Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca > > > > > Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 15 17:51:45 2010 From: BEAU2EVE@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:49:23 EDT Subject: [Tigers] steering racks I believe my rack is in need of some TLC. It has come to my attention that their are no replacement parts for this unit. So my question is how does one rebuild a rack if their no parts available Mine seems to jump over each tooth as you turn it. I know the dale conversion is an option. Trying to save some cash. Beau _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 15 18:07:05 2010 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:07:59 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] steering racks Assuming a left hand drive, the right side of the rack uses a spring and small metal piece that applies pressure to the rack. There are two bolts (I recall) that hold the cover for this in place in place. There is a possibility they have come loose (or fallen out) and that might cause the rack to jump teeth. I'm not sure why the rack is designed this way (it seems prone to issues from the start) but it is what it is. Anyway, check that first. Tom >I believe my rack is in need of some TLC. It has come to my attention that > their are no replacement parts for this unit. So my question is how does > one rebuild a rack if their no parts available Mine seems to jump over > each > tooth as you turn it. I know the dale conversion is an option. Trying > to > save some cash. Beau :34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 15 18:50:43 2010 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "BEAU2EVE@aol.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 20:47:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] steering racks Doug Jennings rebuilds the racks at the former Tiger Auto Service, Tiger/Alpine Club. His number is: 937-252-3317. Call for pricing, but I am certain it is reasonable... -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BEAU2EVE@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:49 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] steering racks I believe my rack is in need of some TLC. It has come to my attention that their are no replacement parts for this unit. So my question is how does one rebuild a rack if their no parts available Mine seems to jump over each tooth as you turn it. I know the dale conversion is an option. Trying to save some cash. Beau _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 15 20:23:27 2010 From: George Re To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 02:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Hood Buffers Does anyone know where to get the 4 hood buffers our two main suppliers are out of stock also the trunk lock grommet they are out also. Thanks again George _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 15 21:21:46 2010 From: DAVID GREEN To: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 21:22:03 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] LAT 9 Center Cap Project ready to run Hello all, I have gotten the sample cap from my machinist and it looks FANTASTIC!!! If you want to see a few pictures I can send them to you. Send me an e-mail. Cost per cap is $25 and $10 shipping for up to 5 caps. I will require immediate payment. I have over 50 pre sold with about 75 to run. Once they are sold I will need 30 committed to rerun the project. I will be out of contact from Sept 18-26th but will respond after the 26. Dave Green alpdavegre@msn.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 16 07:10:06 2010 From: George Re To: Tigers Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Bumbers Hi Again. My next question for the group is has anyone gotten the stainless bumpers from the Harrington group? if you have how are they? the cost of new bumpers is less then having my re chromed. Please let me know Thanks again George _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 16 12:56:14 2010 From: Peter L To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] steering wheels team - im trying to decide between a moto lita "classic 3" or "mark 3" or a lecarra "mark 3 supreme" steering wheel, couple questions: (1) which wheel do folks recommend for a period correct option to the original sunbeam wheel (i dont think tigers ever came originally with a lecarra or moto lita, did they?) (2) where do folks find the adapters/hubs, lecarra said they dont make the sunbeam adapter? where do folks order these from, SS doesnt seem to have them on his site? (3) seems they measure from midpoint of rim to midpoint of rim for diameter, and my other tiger has a 14" diamater lecarra with a 1.5" dish, so i think i would go with that, any other thoughts on size? thks peter _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 16 14:12:04 2010 From: To: "George Re" , Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:10:49 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hood Buffers George; Have you checked with CAT parts? They did have the trunk lock grommet. Jerry and Marlene with the Candy Apple Tiger in Oregon. -------------------------------------------------- From: "George Re" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:23 PM To: Subject: [Tigers] Hood Buffers > Does anyone know where to get the 4 hood buffers our two main suppliers > are out of stock > also the trunk lock grommet they are out also. > > Thanks again > George > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jrv309@charter.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 16 17:11:54 2010 From: Sandy Ganz To: Peter L , tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] steering wheels ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter L To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 11:50:35 AM Subject: [Tigers] steering wheels team - im trying to decide between a moto lita "classic 3" or "mark 3" or a lecarra "mark 3 supreme" steering wheel, couple questions: (1) which wheel do folks recommend for a period correct option to the original sunbeam wheel (i dont think tigers ever came originally with a lecarra or moto lita, did they?) (2) where do folks find the adapters/hubs, lecarra said they dont make the sunbeam adapter? where do folks order these from, SS doesnt seem to have them on his site? (3) seems they measure from midpoint of rim to midpoint of rim for diameter, and my other tiger has a 14" diamater lecarra with a 1.5" dish, so i think i would go with that, any other thoughts on size? thks peter _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 16 17:27:11 2010 From: michael king To: George Re Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:24:32 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bumbers There ahve been a few discussions about this on the various sunbeam boards.. go to CAT, SAOCA or TEAE forums and look it up. The main issues: They are strips of stainless welded togther and not quite as strong and wont offer protection the profile is not quite right so you need their overriders as the stocks wont work. the mounting holes are not slotted like stock so they requite some reworking finish is nice apparently just a quick summary of what has been said. On 16 September 2010 23:03, George Re wrote: > Hi Again. My next question for the group is has anyone gotten the stainless > bumpers from the Harrington group? if you have how are they? the cost of new > bumpers > is less then having my re chromed. Please let me know > > Thanks again > George > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 16 17:41:43 2010 From: "bob webb" To: "michael king" , "George Re" Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:42:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bumbers the over riders that they supply require a lot of machine work to get them to set vertical. left as shipped, they point towards the ground. ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael king" To: "George Re" Cc: "Tigers" Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bumbers > There ahve been a few discussions about this on the various sunbeam > boards.. > go to CAT, SAOCA or TEAE forums and look it up. The main issues: > > They are strips of stainless welded togther and not quite as strong and > wont > offer protection > the profile is not quite right so you need their overriders as the stocks > wont work. > the mounting holes are not slotted like stock so they requite some > reworking > finish is nice apparently > > just a quick summary of what has been said. > > On 16 September 2010 23:03, George Re wrote: > >> Hi Again. My next question for the group is has anyone gotten the >> stainless >> bumpers from the Harrington group? if you have how are they? the cost of >> new >> bumpers >> is less then having my re chromed. Please let me know >> >> Thanks again >> George >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com >> >> > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bobjeanbeams@roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 16 18:42:08 2010 From: George Re To: Tigers Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:39:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Bumpers Well after reading all the reply about the stainless bumpers I think I will just have mine re chromed. Does anyone in the northeast know of a good chrome shop that charges a fair price?. What is a fair price I am not sure I had mine looked at last week and was given a price of 400.00 for each bumper that does not include the overrides is that a fair price. Thanks again for all your input. George _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 16 19:18:02 2010 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:18:26 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Recall: Say it aint so Joe! Jeffrey Nichols would like to recall the message, "[Tigers] Say it aint so Joe!". [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 16 19:57:18 2010 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:54:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] asdf asdf _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 16 20:57:01 2010 From: "Joe Brown" To: "'Beamclub'" Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:49:57 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Rear Valance Question Hey, When I bought my Tiger a million years ago it had been hit in the back pretty hard and during the body work I decided to replace the rear valance with one from a donor car. My question has to do with where the frame rails (jacking rails?) poke out of the valance. The valance has square holes that the rails come through and I know that somehow the body work of the valance has to be molded to match up to these rails. I have plenty of pictures of what the finished product looks like but how was this done originally? Was it leaded in? The gap in the valance opening around the rails looks too big to try and use bondo. Thanks, Joe Brown Arlington, TX B382000217 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 16 21:32:02 2010 From: TIGEROOTES@aol.com To: jxnichols@sbcglobal.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:32:08 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] asdf Brilliant. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 16 21:42:26 2010 From: "bob webb" To: "George Re" , "Tigers" Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:38:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bumpers george, i use librandi's in middletown, pa. the cost you have is in line with what i have paid. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Re" To: "Tigers" Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: [Tigers] Bumpers > Well after reading all the reply about the stainless bumpers I think I > will just have mine re chromed. Does anyone in the northeast know of a > good chrome shop that charges a fair price?. What is a fair price I am not > sure I had mine looked at last week and was given a price of 400.00 for > each bumper that does not include the overrides is that a fair price. > > Thanks again for all your input. > George > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bobjeanbeams@roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 17 06:28:03 2010 From: "rande" To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:20:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] steering wheels I've already sent Peter a copy of this with a enclosure of a Tiger interior(fellow listers let me know individually if you need me to send a picture), but... Peter mentioned that he might be interested in a period correct aftermarket steering wheel, and to me, that's spelled NARDI. Those of you around during the 1960's remember that Ferrari installed Nardi wheels as standard equipment, and catalogues for stores like Vilem Haan(Beverly Hills) and MG Mitten(Pasadena) sold Nardi wheels for aftermarket applications like Porsche and Alpine/Tiger. The photo I sent was of Emily Vasso's black Mark I(the car with the original tan interior) when it was shown at the park in Santa Rosa during the United this year. As I wrote Peter, in a United with several A-grade interiors, Emily's car, to me, is an A-plus. You can bet that when my car gets to the point where I'm finishing the interior, there WILL be a Nardi wheel on it. RB _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 17 07:58:31 2010 From: Tod Brown To: tigers@autox.team.net, George Re Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:53:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bumpers George: Jim Armstrong (rollright@aol.com) was very pleased with the job done on his bumpers by Nu-Chrome in Fall River, MA http://nu-chrome.com/bumpers.htm I am sure Jim will chime in here, but he told me they charged him $250 per bumper. Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 17 08:51:32 2010 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:38:30 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Radiator mount. Morning list, I had to pull my radiator this week to have it repaired, started leaking in the lower right corner. Radiator was recored about a year ago. Just called the shop and the radiator guy thinks that there is a vibration problem that caused the leak in such a short time. So, my question - has anyone used any king of rubber mount for the radiator to the frame? As you know, there is not much room to be moving the radiator in. Final push before the 3200 mile trip to Maine and back next month. TIA! Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 17 09:20:53 2010 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: wsamouce@kc.rr.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 10:57:25 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator mount. The radiator mounts pretty solidly to the body. If it's screwed down tight the only way it can vibrate is if the body is vibrating. I suppose if the engine was vibrating too much it could cause problems around the point where the hose attaches to the radiator on the passenger side. But, I would think that the hose would absorb the vibration. I'll be curious to hear what others have to say on this. Mark In a message dated 9/17/2010 10:52:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wsamouce@kc.rr.com writes: Morning list, I had to pull my radiator this week to have it repaired, started leaking in the lower right corner. Radiator was recored about a year ago. Just called the shop and the radiator guy thinks that there is a vibration problem that caused the leak in such a short time. So, my question - has anyone used any king of rubber mount for the radiator to the frame? As you know, there is not much room to be moving the radiator in. Final push before the 3200 mile trip to Maine and back next month. TIA! Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 17 10:04:08 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:04:42 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] FYI I just found this web site with LED equivalent bulbs, gage and warning lights too, socket, pigtails and more. I have not ordered anything from them but there is a lot of good information here. http://www.autolumination.com/ Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 17 10:19:25 2010 From: TIGEROOTES@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:19:49 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator mount. Is your original radiator core support intact or has someone cut away portions to get more air to the radiator? Someone used a blue-wrench (torch) and cut away much of my car's core support and it caused the radiator to become a stressed member of the chassis --- literally, it alone was connecting the front fenders together. My radiators would last one racing season and then begin leaking. Beyond that, the car developed a six inch 'tear' in the left inner fender. To resolve this, I drilled out all of the spot welds and removed what was left of the core support and Larry Atkisson welded in a replacement. Perfect now, and no more radiator problems. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 17 10:31:31 2010 From: Owain Lloyd To: TIGEROOTES@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:31:34 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator mount. endurance rally cars usually mount their radiators on rubber. i use the early mini exhaust bobbins for this purpose in most places. i tried to use them on the tiger radiator before my morocco rally but there was not room so i just bolted it solid. i have also had rad issues with leaking pipe joins. eventually i realized it was just the hoses being too tight. make sure the hoses are not too solid and not pulled too tight. i've not had any issues since i rebuilt my top hose to be more generous, and if it can survive an 8000km african rally, i reckon you should be ok too. On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 5:19 PM, wrote: > Is your original radiator core support intact or has someone cut away > portions to get more air to the radiator? Someone used a blue-wrench > (torch) and > cut away much of my car's core support and it caused the radiator to become > a stressed member of the chassis --- literally, it alone was connecting the > front fenders together. My radiators would last one racing season and then > begin leaking. Beyond that, the car developed a six inch 'tear' in the > left inner fender. > > To resolve this, I drilled out all of the spot welds and removed what was > left of the core support and Larry Atkisson welded in a replacement. > Perfect > now, and no more radiator problems. > > Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 17 11:04:04 2010 From: Tony Somebody To: tigers@autox.team.net, George Re , Tod Brown Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 10:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bumpers George- this is the member I emaied you about earlier. If memory serves he had a bumper rechromed for himself and one for another member. He was delighted according to his post and Im sure he will read the post and contact you with more information or so you can ask him questions. Much luck. TonytheTiger (Tony Lang) --- On Fri, 9/17/10, Tod Brown wrote: From: Tod Brown Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bumpers To: tigers@autox.team.net, "George Re" Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 8:53 AM George: Jim Armstrong (rollright@aol.com) was very pleased with the job done on his bumpers by Nu-Chrome in Fall River, MA http://nu-chrome.com/bumpers.htm I am sure Jim will chime in here, but he told me they charged him $250 per bumper. Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 17 11:44:57 2010 From: Allan Ballard To: Beamclub TIGER Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:38:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger front hubs My front hubs are a little worn - the front bearing's race will spin. Rather than weld in new races I'd like to replace both front hubs. Does anyone know if the Series V Alpine hubs (for steel wheels) are the same? Or maybe the Series IV Alpine front hubs? Thanks in advance, Allan Ballard MK1a Tiger SIV Alpine _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 17 11:45:55 2010 From: "wsamouce" To: , Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:46:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator mount. I have a lot of hole. See here - http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/006-5.jpg http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/007-2.jpg I don't think the structure is compromised though. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TIGEROOTES@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 11:20 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator mount. Is your original radiator core support intact or has someone cut away portions to get more air to the radiator? Someone used a blue-wrench (torch) and cut away much of my car's core support and it caused the radiator to become a stressed member of the chassis --- literally, it alone was connecting the front fenders together. My radiators would last one racing season and then begin leaking. Beyond that, the car developed a six inch 'tear' in the left inner fender. To resolve this, I drilled out all of the spot welds and removed what was left of the core support and Larry Atkisson welded in a replacement. Perfect now, and no more radiator problems. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wsamouce@kc.rr.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 17 11:58:39 2010 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: wsamouce@kc.rr.com, TIGEROOTES@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:56:31 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator mount. Duke, I wonder if the holes were drilled/punched to help get more air to the radiator or to make the car lighter. I remember reading an article once saying that sometimes holes can create a turbulence resulting in less air passing through a structure rather than more. I'd be curious to know what your experiences have been. Mark In a message dated 9/17/2010 1:46:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wsamouce@kc.rr.com writes: I have a lot of hole. See here - http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/006-5.jpg http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/007-2.jpg I don't think the structure is compromised though. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TIGEROOTES@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 11:20 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator mount. Is your original radiator core support intact or has someone cut away portions to get more air to the radiator? Someone used a blue-wrench (torch) and cut away much of my car's core support and it caused the radiator to become a stressed member of the chassis --- literally, it alone was connecting the front fenders together. My radiators would last one racing season and then begin leaking. Beyond that, the car developed a six inch 'tear' in the left inner fender. To resolve this, I drilled out all of the spot welds and removed what was left of the core support and Larry Atkisson welded in a replacement. Perfect now, and no more radiator problems. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wsamouce@kc.rr.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 17 12:13:29 2010 From: To: tigers@autox.team.net, CoolVT@aol.com, TIGEROOTES@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:12:41 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator mount. Weight...thatbs funny. I can take more off the car by wearing a tank-top. When I first got the car, the temp gauge was disconnected. I soon found out why, it ran way hot...~230. The radiator was badly clogged. I had a new core installed (same as recommended in the "cooling your Tiger" article), blocked the horn holes, installed a smaller pulley and the 15" Derale fan. Recently, installed a LAT 79 hood. Temp has been great. Normally runs between 170-190. On the highway at stupid speeds, it will creep up to ~200. Only indication I had of a problem was the car peeing. Duke B382002037 ---- CoolVT@aol.com wrote: > Duke, > I wonder if the holes were drilled/punched to help get more air to the > radiator or to make the car lighter. I remember reading an article once > saying that sometimes holes can create a turbulence resulting in less air > passing through a structure rather than more. I'd be curious to know what your > experiences have been. > Mark > > > In a message dated 9/17/2010 1:46:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > wsamouce@kc.rr.com writes: > > I have a lot of hole. > > See here - > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/006-5.jpg > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/007-2.jpg > > I don't think the structure is compromised though. > > Duke > B382002037 > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of TIGEROOTES@aol.com > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 11:20 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator mount. > > Is your original radiator core support intact or has someone cut away > portions to get more air to the radiator? Someone used a blue-wrench > (torch) and > cut away much of my car's core support and it caused the radiator to > become > a stressed member of the chassis --- literally, it alone was connecting > the > front fenders together. My radiators would last one racing season and > then > begin leaking. Beyond that, the car developed a six inch 'tear' in the > left inner fender. > > To resolve this, I drilled out all of the spot welds and removed what was > left of the core support and Larry Atkisson welded in a replacement. > Perfect > now, and no more radiator problems. > > Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wsamouce@kc.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 17 12:18:37 2010 From: To: wsamouce , TIGEROOTES@aol.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:18:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator mount. Frankly, Duke, I'd be willing to bet that your radiator is started leaking because they didn't do a good enough job on it in the first place when they replaced your core. I've had some radiator work done on my Tiger before and, shortly after, I developed a leak in the overflow tube on top of the radiator that runs to the expansion tank. As it turns out, the guy at the radiator shop had banged the radiator against something and had to repair it at the point where the overflow tube joins the tank. Evidently, he didn't go a good enough job and we got to do it all over again (at his expense this time). My guess is that more than likely he's trying to cover his a$$. My .02 worth, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE ---- wsamouce wrote: > I have a lot of hole. > > See here - > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/006-5.jpg > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/007-2.jpg > > I don't think the structure is compromised though. > > Duke > B382002037 > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of TIGEROOTES@aol.com > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 11:20 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator mount. > > Is your original radiator core support intact or has someone cut away > portions to get more air to the radiator? Someone used a blue-wrench > (torch) and > cut away much of my car's core support and it caused the radiator to become > a stressed member of the chassis --- literally, it alone was connecting the > front fenders together. My radiators would last one racing season and then > begin leaking. Beyond that, the car developed a six inch 'tear' in the > left inner fender. > > To resolve this, I drilled out all of the spot welds and removed what was > left of the core support and Larry Atkisson welded in a replacement. > Perfect > now, and no more radiator problems. > > Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wsamouce@kc.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 17 13:14:21 2010 From: To: awtiger@cox.net, tigers@autox.team.net, TIGEROOTES@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:14:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator mount. This very well could be true. They are not charging me for the work for what its worth. Duke B382002037 ---- awtiger@cox.net wrote: > Frankly, Duke, I'd be willing to bet that your radiator is started leaking because they didn't do a good enough job on it in the first place when they replaced your core. I've had some radiator work done on my Tiger before and, shortly after, I developed a leak in the overflow tube on top of the radiator that runs to the expansion tank. As it turns out, the guy at the radiator shop had banged the radiator against something and had to repair it at the point where the overflow tube joins the tank. Evidently, he didn't go a good enough job and we got to do it all over again (at his expense this time). My guess is that more than likely he's trying to cover his a$$. > > My .02 worth, > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE > > ---- wsamouce wrote: > > I have a lot of hole. > > > > See here - > > > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/006-5.jpg > > > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/007-2.jpg > > > > I don't think the structure is compromised though. > > > > Duke > > B382002037 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > > On Behalf Of TIGEROOTES@aol.com > > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 11:20 AM > > To: tigers@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator mount. > > > > Is your original radiator core support intact or has someone cut away > > portions to get more air to the radiator? Someone used a blue-wrench > > (torch) and > > cut away much of my car's core support and it caused the radiator to become > > a stressed member of the chassis --- literally, it alone was connecting the > > front fenders together. My radiators would last one racing season and then > > begin leaking. Beyond that, the car developed a six inch 'tear' in the > > left inner fender. > > > > To resolve this, I drilled out all of the spot welds and removed what was > > left of the core support and Larry Atkisson welded in a replacement. > > Perfect > > now, and no more radiator problems. > > > > Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wsamouce@kc.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger@cox.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 17 14:03:17 2010 From: Jeffery Randall To: Allan Ballard Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:03:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger front hubs Allan, Why don t you try alittle locktite on the inside of the race? cheaper than hubs, but if you need hubs I have some extras Jeff On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Allan Ballard wrote: > My front hubs are a little worn - the front bearing's race will spin. > > Rather than weld in new races I'd like to replace both front hubs. > > Does anyone know if the Series V Alpine hubs (for steel wheels) are the > same? > > Or maybe the Series IV Alpine front hubs? > > Thanks in advance, > > Allan Ballard > MK1a Tiger > SIV Alpine > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jefferyrandall@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 17 14:48:02 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Allan Ballard'" , "'Beamclub TIGER'" Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:48:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger front hubs Allan I believe the hubs are the same from Series IV onwards. See parts List http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/factory_parts_list/Alpine/alpine_part_ list.asp You could knurl the inside of the hub, use a series of punch marks, Locktite or a combination of these to stabilize the race to the hub. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allan Ballard Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 1:39 PM To: Beamclub TIGER Subject: [Tigers] Tiger front hubs My front hubs are a little worn - the front bearing's race will spin. Rather than weld in new races I'd like to replace both front hubs. Does anyone know if the Series V Alpine hubs (for steel wheels) are the same? Or maybe the Series IV Alpine front hubs? Thanks in advance, Allan Ballard MK1a Tiger SIV Alpine _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.445 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3138 - Release Date: 09/17/10 06:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 17 14:58:58 2010 From: Allan Ballard To: Jeffery Randall Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:48:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger front hubs Jeff, Thanks, will do. I'll check back if the hubs are too worn; should know next week when the new bearings arrive. I have a very late SV Alpine parts car with front hubs that may still be ok IF they are the same. The Parts car is across town and will be a hassle to get the hubs. Allan On Sep 17, 2010, at 4:03 PM, Jeffery Randall wrote: > Allan, > Why don t you try alittle locktite on the inside of the race? cheaper than hubs, but if you need hubs I have some extras > Jeff > > On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Allan Ballard wrote: > My front hubs are a little worn - the front bearing's race will spin. > > Rather than weld in new races I'd like to replace both front hubs. > > Does anyone know if the Series V Alpine hubs (for steel wheels) are the same? > > Or maybe the Series IV Alpine front hubs? > > Thanks in advance, > > Allan Ballard > MK1a Tiger > SIV Alpine > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jefferyrandall@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 17 15:51:25 2010 From: "Stu Brennan" To: , , Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:51:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator mount. I'd wonder if the radiator was misaligned. Did tightning all 4 mounting bolts apply a twist to the radiator, so that it was under stress? The joints are just held together by solder, after all. Stu -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 10:57 AM To: wsamouce@kc.rr.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator mount. The radiator mounts pretty solidly to the body. If it's screwed down tight the only way it can vibrate is if the body is vibrating. I suppose if the engine was vibrating too much it could cause problems around the point where the hose attaches to the radiator on the passenger side. But, I would think that the hose would absorb the vibration. I'll be curious to hear what others have to say on this. Mark In a message dated 9/17/2010 10:52:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wsamouce@kc.rr.com writes: Morning list, I had to pull my radiator this week to have it repaired, started leaking in the lower right corner. Radiator was recored about a year ago. Just called the shop and the radiator guy thinks that there is a vibration problem that caused the leak in such a short time. So, my question - has anyone used any king of rubber mount for the radiator to the frame? As you know, there is not much room to be moving the radiator in. Final push before the 3200 mile trip to Maine and back next month. TIA! Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/stubrennan@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 17 16:02:50 2010 From: "wsamouce" To: "'Stu Brennan'" , , Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:59:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator mount. Radiator is true, all mounting point come in contact with frame at same time. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: Stu Brennan [mailto:stubrennan@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 4:52 PM To: CoolVT@aol.com; wsamouce@kc.rr.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Radiator mount. I'd wonder if the radiator was misaligned. Did tightning all 4 mounting bolts apply a twist to the radiator, so that it was under stress? The joints are just held together by solder, after all. Stu -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 10:57 AM To: wsamouce@kc.rr.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator mount. The radiator mounts pretty solidly to the body. If it's screwed down tight the only way it can vibrate is if the body is vibrating. I suppose if the engine was vibrating too much it could cause problems around the point where the hose attaches to the radiator on the passenger side. But, I would think that the hose would absorb the vibration. I'll be curious to hear what others have to say on this. Mark In a message dated 9/17/2010 10:52:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wsamouce@kc.rr.com writes: Morning list, I had to pull my radiator this week to have it repaired, started leaking in the lower right corner. Radiator was recored about a year ago. Just called the shop and the radiator guy thinks that there is a vibration problem that caused the leak in such a short time. So, my question - has anyone used any king of rubber mount for the radiator to the frame? As you know, there is not much room to be moving the radiator in. Final push before the 3200 mile trip to Maine and back next month. TIA! Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/stubrennan@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 17 17:03:32 2010 From: "Jerry & Maureen \(Mo\)" To: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 18:04:00 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] SEMA Anybody going to SEMA this year (Nov 2-5 Las Vegas)?? This will be my 4th year - what a gas. Last year I walked for 7 mi and that was just in one building!!! (I had a pedometer on). Jerry Christopherson 9473187 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 17 18:31:20 2010 From: BEAU2EVE@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 20:28:01 EDT Subject: [Tigers] rotors Does anyone know the thickness of the rotors on the Tiger? Beau _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 17 18:32:51 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "BEAU2EVE@aol.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 19:33:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] rotors About 3/8", I think... it's probably in the service manual that's online at TigersUnited.com. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BEAU2EVE@aol.com > Sent: September 17, 2010 6:28 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] rotors > > Does anyone know the thickness of the rotors on the Tiger? > > Beau > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 17 20:33:07 2010 From: CoolVT@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 22:33:27 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tire camber - non Tiger When the talk of camber comes up, try this one. Mark _http://translogic.aolautos.com/2010/09/17/cambertire-reinventing-the-wheel/ _ (http://translogic.aolautos.com/2010/09/17/cambertire-reinventing-the-wheel/) _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 17 20:44:12 2010 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 19:41:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] rotors To my knowledge there never was a published specification in the Tiger manual. This topic came up YEARS ago and someone said..., that someone said..., .375 was a minimum based on a book somewhere in an unknown shop. Others disputed that number. I actually used that at the local Pep Boys and the Manager (an understanding Triumph guy) agreed to turn the rotors as long as I acknowledged it was at my own risk. Figuring this might be a one shot opportunity I had all four rotors I had turned. As best I recall they were all around the .450 range give or take .015. Tom >> Does anyone know the thickness of the rotors on the Tiger? >> >> Beau _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 17 20:57:46 2010 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 19:55:59 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire camber - non Tiger That seems... strange. At least by the image provided. They induce an angle in the tire (camber) BUT, the tire rides flat (as if there was zero camber). So, when the car corners the forces would seem to negate the 'built in" camber just like a regular tire. In fact as the car corners it seems the car would ride up on the outer part of the tire and increase the speed at which it would loose grip If the point of negative camber is a tire level with the road surface - while cornering, it seems this idea is reinventing the wheel in circular reasoning. Am I missing something? Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 7:33 PM Subject: [Tigers] Tire camber - non Tiger > When the talk of camber comes up, try this one. > Mark > > _http://translogic.aolautos.com/2010/09/17/cambertire-reinventing-the-wheel/ > _ > (http://translogic.aolautos.com/2010/09/17/cambertire-reinventing-the-wheel/) > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend@verizon.net > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.445 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3142 - Release Date: 09/17/10 18:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 06:29:23 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 08:29:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] rotors Beau The original thickness is about 1/2". Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BEAU2EVE@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:28 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] rotors Does anyone know the thickness of the rotors on the Tiger? Beau _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.445 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3140 - Release Date: 09/17/10 06:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 06:59:48 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Thomas Witt'" , Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 08:55:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire camber - non Tiger Tom I don't think it is circular reasoning here. I do think that most of us would need to see this tire in person and drive a car with these tires to really understand this concept. I know I would need to experience these tire in person to believe the PR statements. I would also like to see some real test information that supports their claims. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 10:56 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire camber - non Tiger That seems... strange. At least by the image provided. They induce an angle in the tire (camber) BUT, the tire rides flat (as if there was zero camber). So, when the car corners the forces would seem to negate the 'built in" camber just like a regular tire. In fact as the car corners it seems the car would ride up on the outer part of the tire and increase the speed at which it would loose grip If the point of negative camber is a tire level with the road surface - while cornering, it seems this idea is reinventing the wheel in circular reasoning. Am I missing something? Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 7:33 PM Subject: [Tigers] Tire camber - non Tiger > When the talk of camber comes up, try this one. > Mark > > _http://translogic.aolautos.com/2010/09/17/cambertire-reinventing-the- > wheel/ > _ > (http://translogic.aolautos.com/2010/09/17/cambertire-reinventing-the-wheel/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend@verizon.net > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.445 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3142 - Release Date: 09/17/10 18:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.445 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3140 - Release Date: 09/17/10 06:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 07:18:03 2010 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 09:18:36 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] The rest of the story My emails were not getting through and I was trying to find out why. Mike, I think we have to agree to disagree on this one. You say tomato, I say tomahto. I say innovate, you say knockoff. I hope you realize that the Mustang II suspension has been tried by better men than you or I and has failed. If you don't believe me then do an email search on Norm's web site. Your statement that no one has tried to design an innovative front crossmember and suspension in the last 40+ years because of a price point analysis strikes me as ludicrous. So all these 40+ years people were doing a cost study on R&D and a price point analysis for a new and creative x-member/ suspension and came to the conclusion; it can't be done because it is too expensive? In your mind, you don't think Joe Blow could design a new x-member and suspension and build one for his own use. And then later, build more if Tiger owners showed interest? Or are we all MBAs' and just like to do financial analysis in our spare time? Also, who is this mysterious person that placed the idea of a new x-member on the shelf for the past 40 years? He should be bitched slapped for holding out on us. Jeff "Jeff, I wasn't suggesting that "it is just a reworking of what Rootes had already designed". What I am saying is that there was really no "innovation" in taking generally accepted suspension design parameters and construction technique and applying it to the Tiger. Lots of hard work, diligent design application and cad/cam analysis, perhaps, but absolutely no new ground has been broken. You can see the same basic design characteristics in the aftermarket for any number of applications, besides the very obvious parallel in the Mustang world I already pointed out. It was just a matter of demand forming to a level where it would be (potentially) economically viable to create what is a relatively expensive solution for the Tiger. The only reason it wasn't done earlier is because there was no market for a $4-5,000 front end for a $15-20,000 car...now that the prices demanded for good Tigers has appreciated, as well as the quality of builds and people's seeming willingness to put more serious money into their personalized cars, it appears that market does exist. That's why the idea sat on the shelf for years, not because nobody knew how to create the solution." MWood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 07:18:29 2010 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: , Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 09:19:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] asdf Just like you, Brilliant! _____ From: TIGEROOTES@aol.com [mailto:TIGEROOTES@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:32 PM To: jxnichols@sbcglobal.net; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] asdf Brilliant. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 08:03:38 2010 From: Owain Lloyd To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:04:07 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record i didn't see this mentioned on the list yet: http://sunbeamtiger.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=682 congratulations mayf! an phenomenal achievement! _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 08:15:57 2010 From: Rollright@aol.com To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:16:22 EDT Subject: [Tigers] bumper alignment Hello, Friend Gary Fish came over with his newly chromed bumpers mounted on his black Tiger. Nice! Except.....that in the front, the side parts were at a 45 degree pointing down and the front pointed up. After sorting through my extensive collection of junk front bumper brackets, we found that they were handed, and tried mounting the bumper, swapping the brackets from one side to the other. Didn't seem to make a difference. Is there anything written on the subject? Any ideas what we are doing wrong? BTW: my bumper has not yet been replaced with the new one (been on for quite a while) and it suffers from the same sort of issue. Please help. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 09:04:11 2010 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:04:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Factory Rally Tiger Up For Auction Check out this historic Tiger with a long list of competitive appearances. http://www.brightwells.com/ClassicCarsMotorcyclesAutomobilia/ClassicVehicles /SunbeamTigerDetails.aspx Jeff _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 09:05:33 2010 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "owain.lloyd@gmail.com" , Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:01:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record Mayf, Congratulations! That's an amazing speed and a record that's likely to stand for quite a while unless you yourself decide to up the ante next year! Cheers, Theo ________________________________________ From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd [owain.lloyd@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 8:04 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record i didn't see this mentioned on the list yet: http://sunbeamtiger.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=682 congratulations mayf! an phenomenal achievement! _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. 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Steve --- On Sat, 9/18/10, Smit, Theo wrote: From: Smit, Theo Subject: Re: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record To: "owain.lloyd@gmail.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 8:01 AM Mayf, Congratulations! That's an amazing speed and a record that's likely to stand for quite a while unless you yourself decide to up the ante next year! Cheers, Theo ________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 09:20:23 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:16:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] bumper alignment Jim The Parts List does show a different part # for each bumper bracket and I don't know if they are marked. The mounting point on the body for the bumpers in not that robust it can be bent out of position; the bracket could be bent some too. Put a longer bolt into the mount point and use a pipe or lever arm to slowly rotate the angle of the mounting point until the bumper is level. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 10:16 AM To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] bumper alignment Hello, Friend Gary Fish came over with his newly chromed bumpers mounted on his black Tiger. Nice! Except.....that in the front, the side parts were at a 45 degree pointing down and the front pointed up. After sorting through my extensive collection of junk front bumper brackets, we found that they were handed, and tried mounting the bumper, swapping the brackets from one side to the other. Didn't seem to make a difference. Is there anything written on the subject? Any ideas what we are doing wrong? BTW: my bumper has not yet been replaced with the new one (been on for quite a while) and it suffers from the same sort of issue. Please help. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.445 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3140 - Release Date: 09/18/10 06:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 10:01:10 2010 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:01:14 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record Congrats to mayf! Wonder what 200 plus feels like in that car? In a message dated 9/18/2010 7:05:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, owain.lloyd@gmail.com writes: i didn't see this mentioned on the list yet: http://sunbeamtiger.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=682 congratulations mayf! an phenomenal achievement! _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 10:38:50 2010 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , , Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:39:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record Mike Its an adrenalin rush, be it exciting, terrifying or both at once. I have only been in a car which briefly hit 177 mph. 200+ will be unknown to most of us. Hurray to mayf Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MWood24020@aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 12:01 PM To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record Congrats to mayf! Wonder what 200 plus feels like in that car? In a message dated 9/18/2010 7:05:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, owain.lloyd@gmail.com writes: i didn't see this mentioned on the list yet: http://sunbeamtiger.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=682 congratulations mayf! an phenomenal achievement! _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.445 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3140 - Release Date: 09/18/10 06:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 10:49:39 2010 From: PhastPhill@aol.com To: s_ralsten@yahoo.com, owain.lloyd@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net, Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:50:04 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record Congrats on living your dream....and we get a kick watching and hearing about it. Worlds fastest Sunbeam.....now that's got a nice ring too it. When's the tv show? _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 10:50:05 2010 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, owain.lloyd@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:50:20 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record I've been in the 140-145 range innumerous times, but that was in my Z06 on track. No adrenaline, after the first lap. I also took that car to 165-170 on the road (don't ask). But, 200 plus, on the salt, in an open car? THAT must be something! Again, congrats to mayf for sticking with his dream! In a message dated 9/18/2010 9:39:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rfraser@bluefrog.com writes: Mike Its an adrenalin rush, be it exciting, terrifying or both at once. I have only been in a car which briefly hit 177 mph. 200+ will be unknown to most of us. Hurray to mayf Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MWood24020@aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 12:01 PM To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record Congrats to mayf! Wonder what 200 plus feels like in that car? In a message dated 9/18/2010 7:05:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, owain.lloyd@gmail.com writes: i didn't see this mentioned on the list yet: http://sunbeamtiger.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=682 congratulations mayf! an phenomenal achievement! _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.445 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3140 - Release Date: 09/18/10 06:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 11:12:31 2010 From: Sandy Ganz To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record Congratulations Good Dr. Mayf! Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Owain Lloyd To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sat, September 18, 2010 7:04:07 AM Subject: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record i didn't see this mentioned on the list yet: http://sunbeamtiger.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=682 congratulations mayf! an phenomenal achievement! _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 11:33:28 2010 From: Rob Guerra To: Buck Trippel Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:34:04 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Hard Top for Sale All I recieved a phone call this morning from a gentleman who has a hardtop for sale. The hardtop is located in Apple Valley , Ca (So Cal) and from the description I received it is complete, unrestored but missing the rear window and associated trim. I am forwarding this information onto you so it can be placed in the various newsletters, and to the tigerlist. This is all the information I have and thought someone would want it before tries ebay or scrap. His contact information is: Rick 760-887-3442 rick196976@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 11:44:04 2010 From: cmeinel464@aol.com To: PhastPhill@aol.com Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:43:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record Wow, Mayf, you did it !!!!!! Curt Classic Sunbeam Inc. -----Original Message----- From: PhastPhill@aol.com To: s_ralsten@yahoo.com; owain.lloyd@gmail.com; tigers@autox.team.net; Theo.Smit@dynastream.com Sent: Sat, Sep 18, 2010 12:50 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record Congrats on living your dream....and we get a kick watching and hearing bout it. Worlds fastest Sunbeam.....now that's got a nice ring too it. hen's the tv show? ______________________________________________ igers@autox.team.net onate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmeinel464@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 14:49:28 2010 From: Steve Laifman To: "Mayfield, Larry" Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:49:49 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record Sincerest congratulations, Mayf, for a world record-breaking achievement. In all the years in this game, you are the most deserving of being the one to break the record that Sir Henry Segrave set 83 years ago. All these years of being forced to live in Pahrump, Nevada next to the Salt Flats. (and avoiding all the _/Working Girls/_). Giving up most everything to beat the record shows tremendous dedication. Best Fortune to you, and sincerest good wishes. Steve Laifman /Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* Owain Lloyd wrote: > i didn't see this mentioned on the list yet: > > *http://sunbeamtiger.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=682* > > congratulations mayf! an phenomenal achievement! > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 15:50:13 2010 From: "A. C. Tynes" To: , Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:50:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record Dr. Mayf, Wow, congratulations to you and your "team" on a hell of an achievement. It's wonderful that you accomplished your dream while keeping your sense of humor and the love of those around you (Especially after stealing your wife's pot as a carb cover!). I think we all feel just a little better today. Thanks, A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd > Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 9:04 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record > > i didn't see this mentioned on the list yet: > > http://sunbeamtiger.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=682 > > congratulations mayf! an phenomenal achievement! > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker@gmail.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3143 - Release > Date: 09/18/10 01:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 15:53:40 2010 From: Larry Paulick To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 17:53:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record Mayf, you have fulfilled a personal dream, and made History. Some thing most of us only dream about, but you did it. Congratulations. Larry On 9/18/10 4:49 PM, Steve Laifman wrote: > Sincerest congratulations, Mayf, for a world record-breaking achievement. > > In all the years in this game, you are the most deserving of being the > one to break the record that Sir Henry Segrave set 83 years ago. > > All these years of being forced to live in Pahrump, Nevada next to the > Salt Flats. (and avoiding all the _/Working Girls/_). > > Giving up most everything to beat the record shows tremendous dedication. > > Best Fortune to you, and sincerest good wishes. > > > > > > > Steve Laifman > > /Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* > > > > > Owain Lloyd wrote: >> i didn't see this mentioned on the list yet: >> >> *http://sunbeamtiger.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=682* >> >> congratulations mayf! an phenomenal achievement! >> _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/lpaulick1@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 16:16:13 2010 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:16:43 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] New Land Speed Record Congrats Dr. Mayf on the record. And..., I believe this would put you in the 200 MPH club as well. So, double congrats. :-) Tom Witt _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 16:21:13 2010 From: H2Otor@aol.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 18:21:35 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Bumper alignment Jim When I purchased my Tiger years ago the bumpers were not aligned correctly, but they were not that miss aligned. When aligned both the front and rear bumpers I replaced the front bumper with a NOS bumper I had stored away and the alignment was way off for having the front of the bumper guards nice and vertical. I used a torch to heat the bumper brackets and bend them to get them to align with the bumper. I fitted the brackets to the bumper first then heated and bent the brackets to get the correct distance between the body mounting holes while centering the bumper to the car body and then heated and bent the brackets to get the correct vertical alignment when mounting it to the body brackets. I removed the brackets from the bumper each time I heated the brackets to keep from burning the chrome on the bumpers. Bending on either bracket will affect the other side when mounting the bumper to the car. I spent 2 or 3 days aligning each bumper when I would heat it with a torch and bend it, let it cool, bolt the bracket to the bumper and test fit it to the car. Would I want to do another bumper alignment "NO". John Watertor 65 Tiger _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 17:38:01 2010 From: Chris Thompson To: owain.lloyd@gmail.com Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:37:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record congrats mayf! no more "wannabe"!! can't wait 'till your heart slows back down, you launder your pants, and are able to give us all a full report..... On 9/18/2010 10:04 AM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > i didn't see this mentioned on the list yet: > > http://sunbeamtiger.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=682 > > congratulations mayf! an phenomenal achievement! > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 17:45:25 2010 From: michael king To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:46:06 +1000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] bumper alignment As mentioned its likely the mounts are a little out or the irons bent. Most sunbeams have the angled down or up depending how much effort they have put in to aligning them. I did this on my alpine at the start of the year.. took hours of twisting, bending and aligning the bumper irons to get the bumper sitting level and with an even gap the the front valence on both sides.. small tweaks make a big difference.. be patient and adjust small amounts at a time. Do not twist using the bumper.. release the tension on it and twist the irons On 19 September 2010 01:16, Ron Fraser wrote: > Jim > The Parts List does show a different part # for each bumper bracket > and I don't know if they are marked. > > The mounting point on the body for the bumpers in not that robust it > can be bent out of position; the bracket could be bent some too. Put a > longer bolt into the mount point and use a pipe or lever arm to slowly > rotate the angle of the mounting point until the bumper is level. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Rollright@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 10:16 AM > To: tigers@Autox.Team.Net > Subject: [Tigers] bumper alignment > > > Hello, > > Friend Gary Fish came over with his newly chromed bumpers mounted on his > black Tiger. Nice! > > Except.....that in the front, the side parts were at a 45 degree pointing > down and the front pointed up. After sorting through my extensive > collection > > of junk front bumper brackets, we found that they were handed, and tried > mounting the bumper, swapping the brackets from one side to the other. > Didn't seem to make a difference. > > Is there anything written on the subject? Any ideas what we are doing > wrong? BTW: my bumper has not yet been replaced with the new one (been on > for > quite a while) and it suffers from the same sort of issue. > > Please help. > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.445 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3140 - Release Date: 09/18/10 > 06:34:00 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 18:22:51 2010 From: MWood24020@aol.com To: atwittsend@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 20:23:13 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire camber - non Tiger Here's a pretty good discussion of the Camber Tire...it was definitely a hot topic amongst us in SCCA a few months ago. _http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/410825.aspx_ (http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/410825.aspx) In a message dated 9/17/2010 7:58:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, atwittsend@verizon.net writes: That seems... strange. At least by the image provided. They induce an angle in the tire (camber) BUT, the tire rides flat (as if there was zero camber). So, when the car corners the forces would seem to negate the 'built in" camber just like a regular tire. In fact as the car corners it seems the car would ride up on the outer part of the tire and increase the speed at which it would loose grip If the point of negative camber is a tire level with the road surface - while cornering, it seems this idea is reinventing the wheel in circular reasoning. Am I missing something? Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 7:33 PM Subject: [Tigers] Tire camber - non Tiger > When the talk of camber comes up, try this one. > Mark > > _http://translogic.aolautos.com/2010/09/17/cambertire-reinventing-the-wheel/ > _ > (http://translogic.aolautos.com/2010/09/17/cambertire-reinventing-the-wheel/) > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend@verizon.net > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.445 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3142 - Release Date: 09/17/10 18:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 20:29:27 2010 From: Larry Mayfield To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:26:10 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Flash Report.... The wife and I just rolled into the driveway. The Sunbeam is now, I consider, no longer a wannabe. On Thursday I pulled off a 204.9xx last timed mile and managed to run through the exit trap at 210.7x mph. Driving one handed on teh last mile at speed..cause the other one was firmly attached to teh chute release, lol.... I'll send out more info tomorrow after I quit riding... Been in the truck since 9 am this morning and am pooped. Met a coup0le of really nice guys, one first timer and the second a list member. The first was Funbeam Chuck aka Chuck Colley. He was in Pahrump came to see the car before we left and then went to WOS to be with us. Helped immensely! The other was Bob Hokanson. He had been to the shop once before, but was in Salt Lake City and came over and checked things out and even helped us put it all back into the trailer on Friday. Wonderful men! more later!! oh, didn't hurt the motor either. mayf worlds fastest suneam, 204.9.xx and 210.7xx exit speed _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 20:29:46 2010 From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:26:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire camber - non Tiger Thank you for the link. I read five pages deep. This is what I got from it: 1. The concept seems best suited for cars that won't/can't be adjusted to a desirable camber level. The limitation may be design or class rules. 2. Apparently certain race tires have been "cut" with camber dialed in for many years. While it may not be as specific as this camber tire concept the idea in principle seems have a "history." 3. There were a fair number of people who questioned what I did. That primarily being as the larger, outer edge has cornering forces applied the effect would be for the tire to roll up on its outer edge (the larger outer edge) and cause the smaller inner portion of the tire to lift off the ground negating the purpose of this specialized tire. That said apparently the bumble bee isn't suppose to fly either, so I assume anything is possible. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: MWood24020@aol.com To: atwittsend@verizon.net ; tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire camber - non Tiger Here's a pretty good discussion of the Camber Tire...it was definitely a hot topic amongst us in SCCA a few months ago. http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/410825.aspx In a message dated 9/17/2010 7:58:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, atwittsend@verizon.net writes: That seems... strange. At least by the image provided. They induce an angle in the tire (camber) BUT, the tire rides flat (as if there was zero camber). So, when the car corners the forces would seem to negate the 'built in" camber just like a regular tire. In fact as the car corners it seems the car would ride up on the outer part of the tire and increase the speed at which it would loose grip If the point of negative camber is a tire level with the road surface - while cornering, it seems this idea is reinventing the wheel in circular reasoning. Am I missing something? Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 7:33 PM Subject: [Tigers] Tire camber - non Tiger > When the talk of camber comes up, try this one. > Mark > > _http://translogic.aolautos.com/2010/09/17/cambertire-reinventing-the-wheel/ > _ > (http://translogic.aolautos.com/2010/09/17/cambertire-reinventing-the-wheel/) > _______________________________________________ > Tigers@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend@verizon.net > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.445 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3142 - Release Date: 09/17/10 18:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.445 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3143 - Release Date: 09/18/10 06:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 18 21:46:58 2010 From: "Kirk Smith" To: , Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 20:46:51 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Flash Report.... Congrats, Mayf! It's been fun to follow along... Kirk -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 7:26 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Flash Report.... The wife and I just rolled into the driveway. The Sunbeam is now, I consider, no longer a wannabe. On Thursday I pulled off a 204.9xx last timed mile and managed to run through the exit trap at 210.7x mph. Driving one handed on teh last mile at speed..cause the other one was firmly attached to teh chute release, lol.... I'll send out more info tomorrow after I quit riding... Been in the truck since 9 am this morning and am pooped. Met a coup0le of really nice guys, one first timer and the second a list member. The first was Funbeam Chuck aka Chuck Colley. He was in Pahrump came to see the car before we left and then went to WOS to be with us. Helped immensely! The other was Bob Hokanson. He had been to the shop once before, but was in Salt Lake City and came over and checked things out and even helped us put it all back into the trailer on Friday. Wonderful men! more later!! oh, didn't hurt the motor either. mayf worlds fastest suneam, 204.9.xx and 210.7xx exit speed _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twotigers@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 19 06:46:23 2010 From: David and Varley Tweddle To: Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 20:46:41 +0800 Subject: [Tigers] Worlds fastest Sunbeam.......... Dr Mayf, You did it. Fantastic. Wish I had been there to see/hear/feel it...it must have been amazing. Absolutely Great effort. What's next? Cheers David Tweddle Perth, Western Australia. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 19 07:06:14 2010 From: "George Leibert" To: "Tiger List" Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:06:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] WORLDS Fastest Sunbeam Mayf, Congratulations on a job well done. Gonna try for 300? Will this qualify for the Guinness book of World Records? Wish I also could have been there to see/hear it. George in PA near Tiger Tom _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 19 07:33:33 2010 From: Larry Mayfield To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 06:35:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 1, Monday; This was drive to the salt day. We had already loaded the big red trailer with all the bits and pieces and all the fuel tanks were filled. So, we got up at 3 am, yes, you read that right, 3 am, and headed out. We went through the Las Vegas area on I-15 and that was the reason for the early start. Monday was a working day in LV and traffic is absolutely murder. Throw in a construction site or two and of course it just gets miserable. But we hit I-5 at 5 am and we went through without a hitch. We buzzed along without incident and made it to Ash Springs, on US 93, where we always gas up again (just topping off the big tanks). grab a cuppa and a egg/ham/cheese/muffin before we continue. Of course the obligatory pee break (wife is always with me, lol). No problems and we cruised up high way 318 between Ash Springs and Lund, NV. This is the road where the Silver State Classic is held and it is being run today, Sunday, the 19 th. The beginning of Sr 318 is also where the ET highway (SR 375) launches and runs up through Nevada next to the Area 51 location and through Rachel. Did that road once, but, not likely to do it again, lol. Stopped in Ely for a cold drink and more fuel. Still no issues. Made it to Wendover on US 93A about 7 1/2 total hours. Drove straight out to the salt flat and into the pits and parked. Set up the ground cloth, put up the metal framework for the awning. Wes Potter, one of my most favorite people in the world stopped by and mentioned that they were doing some inspections on the cars. We decided to take advantage of that and beat the crowd, next day. Got the car's logbook out and put it into the truck, hooked up the 8 foot long tow bar I have been using for the last 5 years and off we went to tech! I usually make a large swoopy turn with that long tow bar and, ahem, thought I had done so this time. Turns out, no, no I didn't. {ulled into the inspection line and the car seems to be in an odd position behind the truck. Didn't think a thing about it until one of my other friends, Tom Shannon mentioned in passing that I might need to take a look at the tow bar. AGHHHHHH! It was bent at a 90 degree angle! We tried to straighten it out, but twas a no go. Off to a god start for this meet...NOT! Put the wife, oh hell, her name is Cathy, into the car and let her guide it back to the pit, sans inspection. Just as we reached the pit, the bar failed entirely and she aimed the car to miss the truck. Well, done, spouse! The loss of the tow bar was and is not a major issue because we also have a push bar on the car and a push bumper on the truck. It was getting late in the day by then, so we put the cover on the car and locked the trailer. Headed into Wendover to a bath and some pretty fair food at the Peppermill. I like Asian and I like theirs best. Watch a bit of news and into bed. Tuesday is next. mayf _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 19 08:05:49 2010 From: Larry Mayfield To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 07:02:11 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 2, Tuesday Tuesday was WOS tech inspection and pit set up day for the normal people who do not arrive a day early. As is or normal routine, we have breakfast before heading out to the salt. That generally means that we hit the Red Garter around 6:15 am or so for their 2.99 breakfast. Hey, gotta save where we can and it is pretty much ok. A lot of teams have breakfast there. And of course, we always see old friends and were pleasantly surprised when one of our favorites, Jon and Keilani Amo walked by with..surprise, a new baby! Tyler. Wow, what a nice young man. Jon and Keilani had a stream liner they are now running for records. Nice vehicle! Off to the salt to get ready for inspection. Grab the log book again and remove the car cover, and set up the awning. Have help this morning Funbeam Chuck (Chuck Colley) from Florida, just happened to drop in to assist and it was welcome indeed. We pushed the car down to inspection and after a fair wait, we into the inspection station. Seems like a new crowd of inspectors each time I go. For our car, it take two inspectors and both must sign off. Their was noting at issue with the car as I am kind of anal about little things that might get me killed, lol... The push bar worked to perfection. BUT.... every time the car had been moved around since 2006, it had been on the end of the tow bar. Me, in the ruck doing the towing. Now, I was in the car steering. Holy Smokes! It makes so much noise with rattle, bangs, thumps chirps that I had to stop twice to see if it was falling apart, lol. It has absolutely no sound proofing or anti rattle installed. Never heard any of that before, lol. Back in the pit, we decide to upload the tune to the tweecer in all four positions. Ugh oh! Having problems to get the laptop to actually write to the tweecer. It shows the progress bar but nothing happened. We pulled connectors, filled and finally go it going. Have had issues like this before and it is beginning to aggravate me, lol. Started data logging and that started and data logged ok. Then for the rest of the set up day we just schmoozed with people who came by. I honestly believe that the Sunbeam is the most photographed car on the salt, no kidding. We had photogs from Germany taking picture, actually two different ones. One had a pretty assistant, lol. Decided to put it all away in prep for the next days Driver's meeting and racing on Wednesday. mayf _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 19 08:07:41 2010 From: WHIZZZBANG13@aol.com To: gleibert185@comcast.net, tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:03:56 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] WORLDS Fastest Sunbeam Congrats, Mayf. Sunbeams are no longer made but that doesn't mean they can't make history. Fred Baum In a message dated 9/19/2010 9:06:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gleibert185@comcast.net writes: Mayf, Congratulations on a job well done. Gonna try for 300? Will this qualify for the Guinness book of World Records? Wish I also could have been there to see/hear it. George in PA near Tiger Tom _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/whizzzbang13@aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 19 08:07:47 2010 From: "DERRICK SCHMIDT" To: , Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 07:11:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Flash Report.... mayf worlds fastest suneam, 204.9.xx and 210.7xx exit speed Like that new signature ... nice ring to it! Derrick ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.starstream.net _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 19 08:52:18 2010 From: Larry Mayfield To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 07:46:02 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 3, Wednesday, in two parts First day of real race activity. As usual, we did our breakfast thing at the red Garter and headed out. Had to be on the salt and at registration by 8 am for the driver's meeting. They had moved it up an hour or two to get more racing it. Fair number of folk at the meeting. The rules of racing etiquette were explained to all of us after the blessing and special mentions they always do. WOS uses the long course for 150 mph club cars, who go to the 3 mile markers, and for the rest of us who may or may not get to the 5 mile markers. If there is trouble, turn right to the inside of the course and they send response vehicles to help. Normal is turn left. There are graded turn offs about every quarter mile along the way. there is a shorter course where the 130 mph club car race and it is limited to , I believe 1 mile. We don't run on it, lol. But, lots of folk do. This is basically you street car with basic safety equipment. I believe the cars need to be licensed. We drove the long course as we always do, noting any particular ugly spots, like loose salt or big ruts made by the high power cars of Speed Week. Ruts are not much fun. Back to the pits. We go by the fuel trailer and get our 16 gallon barrel filled. Yikes, it gets more expensive every year! But, the gasoline we use is the very best I have ever seen for a turbo or blown car. We Use ERC's A8C gasoline and I will use nothing else, ever, lol. Back to the pit.... fuel the car and lock down the deck lid and put in all the small braces from the spoiler to the rear valence. Funbeam Chuck helped immensely with all of that. Decided to reload the tune into the A9P and tweecer again. Same freaking issues as Tuesday. Does not seem to want to work. But finally we get it to upload and data log. Grab the gear and go. Now folks, lemme tell you what is required for the driver when a front engined blown car over 175 mph is involved. The driver is required to have an SFI 3.2A/20 fire suit. Now that is about 1/2 inches of fire resistant materials and hotter than hell. Pant ans tunic. Must have arm restraints sewn into the sleevers of the jacket. Must have Sfi 3.2A/15 funny car boots. I forget what the Sfi is for the gloves but they are funny car gloves as well. A SA2005 helmet is required. I am a fat old guy and with all of that on, I look like a blue Michelin Man, lol. A hot sweaty Michelin Man.... We start putting al off that on when we get to about car 6 or 7 in line on our side of the starting line. They run 150 cars on one side and salt cars on the other. see part B mayf _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 19 08:52:36 2010 From: Larry Mayfield To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 07:46:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 3, Wednesday, Part B That way they launch a long course car and as soon as it clears the 3 mile, they launch a 150 car. and they bounce back and forth that way to keep things going. Well, things start to go funny.... we put in 40 pounds of ice into the intercooler and start setting up the laptop. It did not want to talk to the tweecer! After rebooting and turning the A9P on and off, it did start and I set it to data logging. As soon as I see tha data logging is stable and is continuing, we close the laptop and put the aluminum tonneau on. My good friend Dale Pulju is in charge of getting me geared up and into the car and locking down teh tonnea cover. We have an extension power cable from the push truck to the car to power the laptop during the long wait times. It just takes data until the motor is turned off at the end of the run. Now I get into the car...can you say oh boy? I squirm into the roll cage, wiggle my butt into place and Dale puts the belts on. Lemme tell ya, When Dale pulls on the belts, you are definitely part of the car. Ahh, but here is where the fun on this run begins.... I had reinstalled the full diameter steering wheel I had used some time ago because I had installed a steering ratio reducer and it was a bit oft set. I figured that it woul allow me to make easy turns. This was the first time for the ratio reducer. Well, the big steering wheel caused me no end of grief, lol. First, my left hand was trapped under it and I could not move it far enough to get it into position to put my hand on it at the 10 o'clock position. Push up to the line where Dale tells the starter that we are just making a check run to about the 3 mile to make sure nothing falls off the car, that the steering works, and the new fuel system works as well and oh, the intercooler keeps the air cooler. So there I sit when the starter comes over, Monty, and chats with me, pulls on the harness and tells me to start the car. I do, and he oints down course. I slip the shifter into 1,2,3 position and off I go. With my gas pedal foot trapped behind the freaking gas pedal. and then I find out that, crap, my brake foot is also trapped behind the brake pedal. Crap! On course at an idle... Folk were snickering and making fun, lol, I learned later. My good friends, lol.... I did managed to get both feet in some position to mash things and off I finally went. It was that large steering wheel that caused the problem I had prevented my legs from any movement at all because it was right on them. Well, we made our check run at something under 150 mph and turned off and went to the return road. My friend Tom Shannon who is a course worker came over and asked if it was ok and handed me a bottle of water. Helped me get then booties off. Handed me a hand written timing slip telling me what I had managed. I think he was giggling but I can't be sure. But, thanks Tom! Back to the pit. Changed that steering wheel to the butterfly one I had been using. Also added 15 degrees up angle to the spoiler because it was twitchy out there on the course even at 150 or slower. Snugged the car down for the night. Took the printer and lap top back to he hotel where I made a change to the spark table. I had modifiedd it ut for some reason, some of the cells I didn't change were pretty high spark for the modest load I was seeing. Made those changes and we headed out to supper and early bed. Wednesday was finally done and I was still alive, lol as was the car..... _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 19 09:09:56 2010 From: "Will Seay" To: Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 11:02:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] new sunbeam speed record Congratulations Mayf, you did it! I'm sure that if Sir Henry were here today that he would be applauding. So what's next? I hope you have another quest in mind. The Tiger list would be considerably less interesting without updates on your latest adventures. Will Seay_____________ wseay@embarqmail.com -----Original Message----- In a message dated 9/18/2010 7:05:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, owain.lloyd@gmail.com writes: i didn't see this mentioned on the list yet: http://sunbeamtiger.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=682 congratulations mayf! an phenomenal achievement! _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 19 10:12:39 2010 From: Larry Mayfield To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:13:13 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 3, Thursday Part B Ok, now in the right gear and headed down course. Kinda of feathering it for some idiotic reason, maybe the twitchy course from yesterday was stuck in my head... but by the 2 and a quarter mile trap I was only going 166 (I think that's what it was, I'll have to go out and get the timing slip and look). But, I continued to mash the pedal more. There was the previous 5500 rpm position, then 5600, then I mashed a LOT more and by the start of the 4th mile I was truly hauling ass. Maybe 5800 going into the last timed mile. Now the car is drifting around, not crazily, but wandering, which is expected somewhat. But, the back end was breaking traction and the rear was moving a foot or so either way in addition to the drifting. Now, folks, lemme tell you, that in this condition, of drift and see saw and me being a noob at this speed I was scared pretty much spit less! I drove the last mile with one hand only on the steering wheel, just moving the car as needed to keep it between the course markers and the other hand on the chute release. I really do not like "spins". So I was gonna be ready if it decided to cut loose. I kept the tach above 6000 for the end of the run and when the 5 mile marker went by, I pulled the chute. Now one time before at 175 or so I did that and the car went side ways, so this time I was braced to go side ways. Yikes! The chute hit and the car stopped squirming around and went absolutely dead straight. I could have removed my hands from the steering wheel. it was so good. Wow, what a relief. As I drove that last mile, I tried to look at gauges but the one that I really watched was the oil pressure gauge. Heck it was 70 psig! As I slowed down and turned off course it dawned on me that it took nearly a full mile to get the car stopped. When I got it stopped and pointed in the go home direction, I pulled off gloves, released the harness, pulled the helmet and stood up. Got out and pulled the booties and jacket off and pants...it is hot with all that stuff on. Then Tom Shannon arrived with the water bottle and a quick look at the car. Was a wisp of smoke drifting out of the back of the hood opening. So he undid the dzus fasteners and looked Asked me if anything was wrong and I told him that dang it had never been ran that hard before. I expected a little smoke. Later back in the pit, Dale found the connectors to the HEGO welded together, lol... That was the source of the smoke wisp. Seemed like a long wait for the push truck, but they are limited to about 50 mph and they had a long way to come, lol.... When they arrived, I removed the chute and off we went...at 20 mph.... Got to the timing shack and got my timing slip. Can you say YEEHAAA! 204.912 average for the last mile and a 210.7.xx exit speed! The car was still accelerating going out the back door! Back at the pit, I am anxious to see how the engine data looked. But, the data logging had failed me once again. I am not sure how it failed but I got the dataq 4 channels and the Innovate wide band which are recorded outside of the engine payload. But when something fails to respond to polling it usually stops data logging on everything. It did not do this this time. I did show that the AFR was great, and that boost reached 11.8 or so, was set to approximately 10 as close as on can turn a knob, so that was fantastic! Do I see 15 psig in the future? maybe..... We settled down for a quiet period then put the cover on the car and took the awning down and went to the hotel to get ready for supper at the Rainbow Steakhouse. My opinion is that this is by far the best restaurant in town. Spendy but really good. Friday and Sat next! mayf _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 19 17:11:45 2010 From: Larry Mayfield To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:13:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 3, Thursday in Two Parts... The day dawned bright and clear. Up early for our usual breakfast and headed out. Allowed to get on the salt at 7 am, no camping on the salt ever. Get the car uncovered, and the awning up. Checked the tire pressures: I run 60 in the Goodyear Front Runners and 70 in the Goodyear Front Runner LSR tires. I do that because the car will kind of hinge around the front end even in a long slide with the rear tires making the long excursions sideways. So I want those suckers to have no grip sideways at all to prevent rolling them off the rims and then the rims digging into the salt and pole vaulting the car up and over. No, no, I do not like that scenario at all. Check the oil and it is right on the mark and even though it has an aborted dyno run and the, ahem, fun run of yesterday on it, it looks like I just poured it in. dale touches everything under the hood to make sure it was all ok, Funbeam Chuck also adds a pair of eyes looking to make sure it is all satisfactory. We put more fuel into the car. We actual don't really use much Around a gallon and a half for a full boogie run through the 5 mile, charge the battery for an hour or so while we fiddle around with stuff, and putting gear into the truck. I take three tires with the truck just in case one gets farkled and needs one to make it back to the pit. Tool bag just in case, lager ice chest for IC ice. Normal cooler for drinks for the crew, and a host of other stuff. When the driver is ready, we sally forth. Dale does the push truck driving duties, Chuck is riding shotgun and the crew chief is in the rear seat. They push me the 3 or so miles to the start line where we get into an interminably slow line. Glacial speed is an overstatement. Seems like just about every other car or bike has some kind of down course farkle. Was the same yesterday. Had a T-bird lose a glass window... wow, what a chore that is. every piece of glass has to be found and picked up. While waiting inline we always get lots of folk who stop by and chat and take pictures. I had a wonderful conversation with a high school girl and boy. They stopped by and chatted for almost 30 minutes. What a delight! We keep pushing to the line with our comment of "time for the hourly move 10 feet forward".... But, we finally get to the location we chose to start gearing up. I put on the suit pants and my under booty shoes and then start the laptop. Turn on the battery power to the car, start the A9P and tweecer. Start the laptop and crap, not talking to the tweecer. Shut everything down and reboot it all. had to do that a couple of times to get it to data logging. Seems to be working satisfactorily. I had earlier loaded the spark changes I made into the tweecer so hopefully that would be ok. Filled the IC tank with another 40 pounds of ice, closed it's lid and Dale put the tonneau on. I finish gearing up and we put me into the car, or is that we put the car around me? But this time things are different! My left hand is not trapped by that big steering wheel and I can move my legs around to the pedals! Life is good, lol... Get to the line and Dale says to the starter, he is gonna make a full run this time. Monty, the starter comes over tries to pull some more on the straps which is futile because when Dale pulls on them, they are TIGHT. I can almost breathe. I do a lot of deep breathing, because honestly, I don't know how far down range I get before I do actually breathe. This time the starter say light it up, and when I nod, he points down range. I snick it into the AODs middle position on the gear shift, which is supposed to be 1,2,3 without OD. I set off and after a short while that sucker shifts into OD! I mash the pedal a bit and it down shifts into what is I hope 3rd. Then I move the shift lever to a position which is hopefully the right gear. Nothing happens. well, it shouldn't because it is in third gear. Knot headed me, I decide to change the gear shift position once again. Well, lemme tell ya, from third to second and the engine RPM buzzed to about 7200 rpm and I nearly head a heart attack, lol. My first thought was that it the motor was merely injured before, it was fatally so this time. see part B mayf _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 19 17:12:00 2010 From: Larry Mayfield To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:52:27 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 4 & 5, Basking in the glory... well, not really, lol. But I am proud of what we did. Friday was a lazy day with lots of schmoozing with everybody because we had previously been busy. Chatted with some Ferrari folk who had brought the wrecked and repaired one (which model was that?) . Their wheels cost more than my entire operation, lol. They jad a killer tow truck for the trailer. COE Chevy or GMC circa 1953 or so, with an added crew cab section. They had added a twin turbo setup and had indicated that they were making around 815 hp. Other than that, they were not very friendly or chatty, so we wandered back to our pit. They weren't impressed by the Sunbeam at all and they were in pout engine class and body class. Bob Hokanson called and came down to out pit and filled in for Funbeam Chuck who had left the night before. He had places to go and country to see. And a football game to watch. We wandered down to the starting line and met some of the people I know. Scott Guthrie was there, I think he signle handedly populated the ECTA bike record book, lol. He is a cool guy an dI always like chatting with him. Ran into Rex Svoda (Please forgive me for mispelling this) and Tom Burkland. Both are heores of mine. They were herding the SAAB that has teh ginormous Keith Black (?) fuel burning hemi up the long course parking lot commonly called the prestaging line. After chatting with everyone I knew we wandered back to the pit and lazily loaded the trailer and stuffed the car in. BOB got in the car and drove it into the trailer as I ran the winch. Cool. He helped tie it all down and when the dust had settled he begged hour forgiveness and returned to his wife Bev who was in Salt Lake City. Thanks a lot Bob! I needed help and you gave generously! The trailer was et to go and we went back to the hotel. We had been having martinis that Monte Wolfe provided every evening so we grabbed him and Dale and we headed out to Monte's favorite steak house for a dinner treat on us. He and Dale kept us sane the whole time and for that I say thanks! We had a grest supper and then it was off to bed. Saturday morning we got up, settled with the hotel (1000 dollars less that the same number of nights last year at speed week, same hotel). and headed for the Salt Flats Cafe at teh truck stop. We alwasy try and have one meal there every meet. Marcello, the jolly Mexican, always treats everyone well. We decide to go crazy and have biscuits and gravy, with a couple of eggs on the side, lol. Delicious! Out to the course, hooked up and ready to go. Our friend and pit mate next door, was towing out for another go at getting into impound on a 308 record. Not sure how that went as we left shortly there after and headed out and home. Not an issue until we got to Ely. Pulled into the Shell station at the junction of US 6 and US 93, got the rig into fuel position, got out to kick the tires and holy crap! the middle tire on the drivers side of the trailer was in tatters. Completely destroyed. I finished fueling and moved the truck to a parking area and we changed that tire. Then I looked at the last tire on that side and it was failing also. Tread separation. So, we had to find two replacement tires before we could set off again. Took a couple of hours before we were under way again. But I wasn't headed from Ely to Tonopah with out a spare and that other tire replaced. No further incidents along the way however. The tires that were on teh trailer when I purchased new, are Maxxis 8008. I have so far replaced most of them. They will go no further on this trailer! I will get some good commercial bias belted tires hopefully for respected manufacturers for future towing. No more of these tires. JUNK. I want to thanks some of the folk who helped immensely on this project. Especially in the engine management area. Those would be Mike Glover for designing, fabricating and making work the TWEECER! You da man! I hope I now have for sure the fastest tweecer in all the world. Anybody had theirs go faster for a timed mile? Then there was Clint Garrity, I use BE and EA to help me understand what is going on in the A9P and Tweecer. I need to chat with both of you off list because of this lack of data logging. I need to know how to prevent this from happening again. Never the less, without the both of you, this project wold have died in still birth. So, you have my undying thanks! And should we meet, beers is definitely on me! Supper too! I know there were a zillion folk who corresponded and helped and commented on the myriad questions I posed and to all of you, I also say many many thanks. I'll have more questions in the future, I promise you! Lastly but certainly not least, is Dan Nicoson. Dan has been kinda my silent partner and sounding board during all of this. He has kept me on the straight and narrow and driving in the right direction to get it done. One day I will be headed to Round Rock to take him and his wife to their favorite restaurant just as I did for the on site crew. One last guy... When I first started to make the engine run way back in 2005, a fellow by the name of Ernie Groce drove over from Las Vegas and showed me how to make the tweecer work and how to data log. Ernie now lives in the SLC area, but he is another of those that it wouldn't have worked without. Thanks, Ernie... So, to all unnamed folk, I thank you humbly. I would not have happened without you. mayf worlds fastest Sunbeam, 204.912 mph, 210.7 exit speed. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 19 17:12:16 2010 From: "denis mercier" To: Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 08:12:46 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Help Hi listers. His someone can tell me where can i find the shifter reverse T mine is broken ? Thanks ! Denis. _______________________________________________ Tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 19 19:05:29 2010 From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:06:03 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Request to mailing list Tigers rejected Now I know why my messages were not reaching the list. Looks like a case of censorship. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 7:17 PM To: jxnichols@sbcglobal.net Subject: Request to mailing list Tigers rejected Your request to the Tigers mailing list Posting of your message titled "FW: [Tigers] Say it aint so Joe!" has been rejected by the list moderator. 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