Subject: Re: [Tigers] Flywheel

From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 15:53:33 -0500

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Tony=20
    Exactly.  When I did this work on my Tiger several decades ago I ran =
the
starter drive gear around my new flywheel ring gear by hand and it stop =
in
less than 1 revelation of the drive gear.  I got a new starter drive =
gear
and it work perfectly.
=20
It is imperative that anyone working on these parts to be aware of the
problems and check everything for fit and function or you will be =
redoing
your work over and over again.
=20
Most of us don't understand the difference between the 160 and 157 tooth
ring gears.  Even worse is that fact that you generally have to order =
the
A/T starter to work on the Tiger engine.
My goal is to sort this out some.
=20
Ron Fraser
=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Lang [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 3:24 PM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Flywheel

Ron- it is imperative you match the ring gear to correct starter bendix. =
A
parts store without an older employee that is aware of the 157 and 160 =
tooth
flywheel ring gear will sell you whatever starter that will bolt up.
Unfortunately it is easy to install a new flywheel but pulling the =
engine
isn't as easy as changing a ring gear. May well be to late for your ring
gear but it is easy to change out the bendix so "others" can make sure =
they
have a bendix that matches their ring gear.
TonytheTiger
(TtT)

On Wednesday, December 2, 2015 2:03 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers
<[email-masked]> wrote:

I found a comment which makes sense to me.
=20
Flywheel ring gear was changed from 160 to 157 teeth to improve starter =
gear
engagement.
=20
Ring gear OD =3D 13.258"    circumference =3D 41.65"
41.65"/ 160 =3D .26"
41.65" / 157 =3D .2653"
=20
Maybe this is why my 160 tooth original ring gear was all chewed up.
=20
I have not found a date when Ford made this change to 157 teeth.
=20
Ron Fraser

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D468063920-02122015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT =
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size=3D2 face=3DArial>Exactly.&nbsp; When I did this work on my Tiger =
several=20
decades ago I ran the starter drive gear around my new&nbsp;flywheel=20
ring&nbsp;gear by hand&nbsp;and it stop in less than 1 revelation of the =
drive=20
gear.&nbsp; I got a new starter drive gear and it work=20
perfectly.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468063920-02122015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468063920-02122015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>It is=20
imperative that anyone working on these parts to be aware of the =
problems and=20
check everything for fit and function or you will be redoing your work =
over and=20
over again.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468063920-02122015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468063920-02122015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>Most=20
of us don't understand the difference between the 160 and 157 tooth ring =

gears.&nbsp; Even worse is that fact that you generally have to order =
the A/T=20
starter to work on the Tiger engine.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468063920-02122015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>My=20
goal is to sort&nbsp;this out some.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468063920-02122015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D468063920-02122015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
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Fraser</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tony Lang=20
  [mailto:[email-masked]] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 02, =
2015 3:24=20
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  [email-masked]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers]=20
  Flywheel<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1449065922946_27049><SPAN=20
  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1449065922946_27070>Ron- it is imperative you match =
the ring=20
  gear to correct starter bendix. A parts store without an older =
employee that=20
  is aware of the 157 and 160 tooth flywheel ring gear will sell you =
whatever=20
  starter that will bolt up. Unfortunately it is easy to install a new =
flywheel=20
  but pulling the engine isn't as easy as changing a ring gear. May well =
be to=20
  late for your ring gear but it is easy to change out the bendix so =
"others"=20
  can make sure they have a bendix that matches their ring =
gear.</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr=20
  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1449065922946_27049><SPAN>TonytheTiger</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1449065922946_27049>(TtT)</DIV>
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>On Wednesday, December 2, =
2015 2:03 PM,=20
  Ron Fraser via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt;=20
  wrote:<BR></FONT></DIV><BR><BR>
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  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3Dyiv5365282710078055119-02122015>I=20
  found a comment which makes sense to me.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3Dyiv5365282710078055119-02122015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3Dyiv5365282710078055119-02122015>Flywheel ring gear was changed =
from 160=20
  to 157 teeth&nbsp;to improve starter gear =
engagement.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3Dyiv5365282710078055119-02122015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3Dyiv5365282710078055119-02122015>Ring=20
  gear OD =3D 13.258"&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; circumference =3D =
41.65"</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3Dyiv5365282710078055119-02122015>41.65"/ 160 =3D =
.26"</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3Dyiv5365282710078055119-02122015>41.65" / 157 =3D=20
.2653"</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3Dyiv5365282710078055119-02122015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3Dyiv5365282710078055119-02122015>Maybe=20
  this is why my 160 tooth original ring gear was all chewed=20
  up.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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