Subject: Re: [Tigers] Flywheel

From: "Smit, Theo via Tigers" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 23:58:43 +0000

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Years ago, when I got a mini starter for my Tiger, I found the exact same t=
hing =96 the parts place had a pair of starters on the shelf where one was =
marked as being for a manual and the other for an automatic transmission. I=
t was the A/T part that had the correct Bendix engagement (to match the Tig=
er starter).

Cheers,
Theo

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Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2015 at 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Flywheel

Tony
    Exactly.  When I did this work on my Tiger several decades ago I ran th=
e starter drive gear around my new flywheel ring gear by hand and it stop i=
n less than 1 revelation of the drive gear.  I got a new starter drive gear=
 and it work perfectly.

It is imperative that anyone working on these parts to be aware of the prob=
lems and check everything for fit and function or you will be redoing your =
work over and over again.

Most of us don't understand the difference between the 160 and 157 tooth ri=
ng gears.  Even worse is that fact that you generally have to order the A/T=
 starter to work on the Tiger engine.
My goal is to sort this out some.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Lang [mailto:[email-masked]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Flywheel

Ron- it is imperative you match the ring gear to correct starter bendix. A =
parts store without an older employee that is aware of the 157 and 160 toot=
h flywheel ring gear will sell you whatever starter that will bolt up. Unfo=
rtunately it is easy to install a new flywheel but pulling the engine isn't=
 as easy as changing a ring gear. May well be to late for your ring gear bu=
t it is easy to change out the bendix so "others" can make sure they have a=
 bendix that matches their ring gear.
TonytheTiger
(TtT)

On Wednesday, December 2, 2015 2:03 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers@autox=

I found a comment which makes sense to me.

Flywheel ring gear was changed from 160 to 157 teeth to improve starter gea=
r engagement.

Ring gear OD =3D 13.258"    circumference =3D 41.65"
41.65"/ 160 =3D .26"
41.65" / 157 =3D .2653"

Maybe this is why my 160 tooth original ring gear was all chewed up.

I have not found a date when Ford made this change to 157 teeth.

Ron Fraser

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<div>Years ago, when I got a mini starter for my Tiger, I found the exact s=
ame thing =96 the parts place had a pair of starters on the shelf where one=
 was marked as being for a manual and the other for an automatic transmissi=
on. It was the A/T part that had the
 correct Bendix engagement (to match the Tiger starter).</div>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Theo</div>
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<div><span class=3D"468063920-02122015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" =
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<div><span class=3D"468063920-02122015">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <font color=3D"#=
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Exactly.&nbsp; When I did this work on my Tiger several decades ago I ran t=
he starter drive gear around my new&nbsp;flywheel ring&nbsp;gear by hand&nb=
sp;and it stop in less than 1 revelation of the drive gear.&nbsp; I got a n=
ew starter drive gear and it work perfectly.</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"468063920-02122015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class=3D"468063920-02122015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial">It is imperative that anyone working on these parts to be aw=
are of the problems and check everything for fit and function or you will b=
e redoing your work over and over again.</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"468063920-02122015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class=3D"468063920-02122015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial">Most of us don't understand the difference between the 160 a=
nd 157 tooth ring gears.&nbsp; Even worse is that fact that you generally h=
ave to order the A/T starter to work on the Tiger
 engine.</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"468063920-02122015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial">My goal is to sort&nbsp;this out some.</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"468063920-02122015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class=3D"468063920-02122015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial">Ron Fraser</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"468063920-02122015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
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t"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<br>
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1449065922946_27049"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14490=
65922946_27070">Ron- it is imperative you match the ring gear to correct st=
arter bendix. A parts store without an older employee that is aware of the =
157 and 160 tooth flywheel ring gear
 will sell you whatever starter that will bolt up. Unfortunately it is easy=
 to install a new flywheel but pulling the engine isn't as easy as changing=
 a ring gear. May well be to late for your ring gear but it is easy to chan=
ge out the bendix so &quot;others&quot; can
 make sure they have a bendix that matches their ring gear.</span></div>
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2015 2:03 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
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<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"yiv5365282710078055119-=
02122015">I found a comment which makes sense to me.</span></font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"yiv5365282710078055119-=
02122015"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"yiv5365282710078055119-=
02122015">Flywheel ring gear was changed from 160 to 157 teeth&nbsp;to impr=
ove starter gear engagement.</span></font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"yiv5365282710078055119-=
02122015"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"yiv5365282710078055119-=
02122015">Ring gear OD =3D 13.258&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; circumference =3D=
 41.65&quot;</span></font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"yiv5365282710078055119-=
02122015">41.65&quot;/ 160 =3D .26&quot;</span></font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"yiv5365282710078055119-=
02122015">41.65&quot; / 157 =3D .2653&quot;</span></font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"yiv5365282710078055119-=
02122015"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"yiv5365282710078055119-=
02122015">Maybe this is why my 160 tooth original ring gear was all chewed =
up.</span></font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"yiv5365282710078055119-=
02122015"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"yiv5365282710078055119-=
02122015">I have not found a date when Ford made this change to 157 teeth.<=
/span></font></div>
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02122015"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
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02122015">Ron Fraser</span></font></div>
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