Subject: Re: [Healeys] Thermostats

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 08:32:56 -0500

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Spoken like a true American!
I grew up in Ottawa, one of the coldest capitals in the world...in winter.
The summers can have periods of unbearable heat and humidity for weeks at a t=
ime.
I live in Toronto now and we can have heat waves that make Healey driving ve=
ry unpleasant, especially in traffic!

Stephen, BJ8

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> On Sep 15, 2018, at 8:30 PM, Rossm <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> To be fair Michael, it is hot maybe three days a year in Canada?:) .  I le=
ft Calgary yesterday for the Rendezvous and it was snowing already. First ti=
me the hood contraption on the BN6 has been up since last September. =20
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 15, 2018, at 10:50, Michael Salter <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
>>=20
>> Well I have watched this discussion on sleeved thermostats for the last w=
eek but now I just have to say. When the sleeved thermostats went NLA, about=
 45 years ago, we resorted to installing just plain old Stant 175 degree sta=
ts and guess what ... not one complaint or comment on running hotter or over=
heating and absolutely no sign of any symptoms of overheating on my own BJ8 e=
ven in the hottest of ambient temperatures. It just didn't happen!!! Just sa=
yin'. M=20
>> From: Healeys <[email-masked]> on behalf of Rossm <rvmayl=
[email-masked]>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 10:35:32 AM
>> To: Forum Healeys
>> Subject: [Healeys] Thermostats
>> =20
>> Three sleeved thermostats, one on the right 160 degrees, middle no idea, =
 left is a Smiths x85002s/86 (180F) and has failed open.=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Spoken like a true American!<div>I grew up i=
n Ottawa, one of the coldest capitals in the world...in winter.</div><div>Th=
e summers can have periods of unbearable heat and humidity for weeks at a ti=
me.</div><div>I live in Toronto now and we can have heat waves that make Hea=
ley driving very unpleasant, especially in traffic!</div><div><br></div><div=
>Stephen, BJ8<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPad</div><=
div><br>On Sep 15, 2018, at 8:30 PM, Rossm &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rvmaylor@sh=
aw.ca">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite=
"><div><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf=
-8">To be fair Michael, it is hot maybe three days a year in Canada?:) . &nb=
sp;I left Calgary yesterday for the Rendezvous and it was snowing already. Fi=
rst time the hood contraption on the BN6 has been up since last September. &=
nbsp;<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div><div><b=
r>On Sep 15, 2018, at 10:50, Michael Salter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michael.sa=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite"><div>

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<div>Well I have watched this discussion on sleeved thermostats for the last=
 week but now I just have to say. When the sleeved thermostats went NLA, abo=
ut 45 years ago, we resorted to installing just plain old Stant 175 degree s=
tats and guess what ... not one
 complaint or comment on running hotter or overheating and absolutely no sig=
n of any symptoms of overheating on my own BJ8 even in the hottest of ambien=
t temperatures. It just didn't happen!!! Just sayin'. M
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<div id=3D"x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" c=
olor=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t; on behalf of Rossm &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">rvmaylor@shaw.=
ca</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 15, 2018 10:35:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Forum Healeys<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Thermostats</font>
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<div class=3D"PlainText">Three sleeved thermostats, one on the right 160 deg=
rees, middle no idea,&nbsp; left is a Smiths x85002s/86 (180F) and has faile=
d open.
<br>
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From: Linwood Rose <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 10:19:04 -0400

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I would like to go back to Steve Byers=E2=80=99 comment. I am not so much co=
ncerned about my car overheating. When the engine was rebuilt it was thoroug=
hly cleaned to get rid of all sludge. I run an aluminum radiator, have built=
 and installed air ducting for improved flow. I do not have an electric fan.=
=20

My problem was that my engine ran cool and would take quite a while to =E2=80=
=9Cwarm up.=E2=80=9D I think I was using a 165 degree (or thereabouts) non-s=
leeved thermostat. Robert Shaw as I recall. So I wanted to get my engine up t=
o 185-190 degrees sooner. I went with one of the same AC sleeved thermostats=
 82 degrees centigrade from Kees that Steve used. The engine seems to be muc=
h happier and gets to running temp more quickly.

At least for my engine, a 160-165 degree thermostat keeps things cool too lo=
ng. In a perfect world I would prefer David Nock=E2=80=99s bellows thermosta=
t but with a 185-190 degree opening. Since that doesn=E2=80=99t seem to be a=
vailable I think I will stick with the AC unit and keep my eye on the temp. G=
auge.

I am no authority on this. I am simply passing along my experience. Am I und=
erstanding all of this correctly?=20

Thanks,
Lin

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> On Sep 15, 2018, at 9:30 PM, Rossm <[email-masked]> wrote:
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yin'. M =20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I would like to go back to Steve Byers=E2=80=
=99 comment. I am not so much concerned about my car overheating. When the e=
ngine was rebuilt it was thoroughly cleaned to get rid of all sludge. I run a=
n aluminum radiator, have built and installed air ducting for improved flow.=
 I do not have an electric fan.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>My problem was that=
 my engine ran cool and would take quite a while to =E2=80=9Cwarm up.=E2=80=9D=
 I think I was using a 165 degree (or thereabouts) non-sleeved thermostat. R=
obert Shaw as I recall. So I wanted to get my engine up to 185-190 degrees s=
ooner. I went with one of the same AC sleeved thermostats 82 degrees centigr=
ade from Kees that Steve used. The engine seems to be much happier and gets t=
o running temp more quickly.</div><div><br></div><div>At least for my engine=
, a 160-165 degree thermostat keeps things cool too long. In a perfect world=
 I would prefer David Nock=E2=80=99s bellows thermostat but with a 185-190 d=
egree opening. Since that doesn=E2=80=99t seem to be available I think I wil=
l stick with the AC unit and keep my eye on the temp. Gauge.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>I am no authority on this. I am simply passing along my experience=
. Am I understanding all of this correctly?&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>T=
hanks,</div><div>Lin<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPho=
ne</div><div><br>On Sep 15, 2018, at 9:30 PM, Rossm &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rv=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote typ=
e=3D"cite"><div><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; char=
set=3Dutf-8">To be fair Michael, it is hot maybe three days a year in Canada=
?:) . &nbsp;I left Calgary yesterday for the Rendezvous and it was snowing a=
lready. First time the hood contraption on the BN6 has been up since last Se=
ptember. &nbsp;<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</d=
iv><div><br>On Sep 15, 2018, at 10:50, Michael Salter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></d=
iv><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 10:52:51 -0700

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I tried to help myself but I have once again been drawn into a discussion
about engine thermostats. As I read the posts the underlying questions are
what is the best thermostat and do I have the right one? I will correct one
Poster who suggested the role of the thermostat was to control pressure in
the cooling system. While thermostats may have an effect on pressure in the
cooling system that is the job of the radiator cap. 
 
I suggest the best thermostat has these features: fails in the open position
i.e. coolant circulates through the radiator. You can get home with a cool
engine but not a hot one. Blocks circulation of coolant between the engine
and radiator until the engine has reached its predetermined temperature.
i.e. The thermostat fits the housing and seals when closed. The thermostat
fully opens about 15-20 degrees above its rated temperature. The thermostat
should have a "jiggle pin" or "check valve" that allows trapped air in the
cooling system to pass through the thermostat and be released from the
system.
 
Do I have the right one? Based on old manuals I have seen there were two
temperature ratings for 3000 Healeys, Summer 70 Deg C/160 Deg F and Winter
86 Deg C/185 Deg F. I believe the thinking behind the two thermostat
approach was to reduce boiling the radiator in summer and to make the heater
work better in the winter. Depending on where you live and and the driving
conditions may influence which end of the range you want to be at. If you
live in Florida and/or drive in slow moving traffic I would suggest the 160
degree. Your cooling system will have more reserve when traffic slows. If
you live in Ottawa 185 is likely better as it is winter all the time.
However, the most important factor is not opening temperature but does the
thermostat properly control the coolant temperature. If you have a 160
degree thermostat and the coolant temperature fluctuates between 160-180
then it is the right one. Likewise the 185 should stay between 185-205. It
is most important for the cooling system to stay between the lower and upper
temperatures. If the temperature is not between these two points then the
cooling system is "not in control".
 
Bottom line is if the cooling system is "in control" and you are happy with
the way the car warms up you have the right thermostat.
 
Harold

  _____  

From: Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Linwood
Rose
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 7:19 AM
To: Rossm
Cc: Forum Healeys
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Thermostats

I would like to go back to Steve Byers' comment. I am not so much concerned
about my car overheating. When the engine was rebuilt it was thoroughly
cleaned to get rid of all sludge. I run an aluminum radiator, have built and
installed air ducting for improved flow. I do not have an electric fan.  

My problem was that my engine ran cool and would take quite a while to "warm
up." I think I was using a 165 degree (or thereabouts) non-sleeved
thermostat. Robert Shaw as I recall. So I wanted to get my engine up to
185-190 degrees sooner. I went with one of the same AC sleeved thermostats
82 degrees centigrade from Kees that Steve used. The engine seems to be much
happier and gets to running temp more quickly.

At least for my engine, a 160-165 degree thermostat keeps things cool too
long. In a perfect world I would prefer David Nock's bellows thermostat but
with a 185-190 degree opening. Since that doesn't seem to be available I
think I will stick with the AC unit and keep my eye on the temp. Gauge.

I am no authority on this. I am simply passing along my experience. Am I
understanding all of this correctly? 

Thanks,
Lin

Sent from my iPhone

To be fair Michael, it is hot maybe three days a year in Canada?:) .  I left
Calgary yesterday for the Rendezvous and it was snowing already. First time
the hood contraption on the BN6 has been up since last September.  

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2018, at 10:50, Michael Salter <[email-masked]> wrote:

Well I have watched this discussion on sleeved thermostats for the last week
but now I just have to say. When the sleeved thermostats went NLA, about 45
years ago, we resorted to installing just plain old Stant 175 degree stats
and guess what ... not one complaint or comment on running hotter or
overheating and absolutely no sign of any symptoms of overheating on my own
BJ8 even in the hottest of ambient temperatures. It just didn't happen!!!
Just sayin'. M 
  _____  

From: Healeys <[email-masked]> on behalf of Rossm
<[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 10:35:32 AM
To: Forum Healeys
Subject: [Healeys] Thermostats 

Three sleeved thermostats, one on the right 160 degrees, middle no idea,
left is a Smiths x85002s/86 (180F) and has failed open. 

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size=3D2 face=3DArial>I tried to help myself but I have once again been =
drawn into a=20
discussion about engine thermostats. As I read the posts the underlying=20
questions are what is the best thermostat and do I have the right one? I =
will=20
correct one Poster who suggested the role of the thermostat was to =
control=20
pressure in the cooling system. While thermostats may have an effect on =
pressure=20
in the cooling system that is the job of the radiator cap. =
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color=3D#0000ff><SPAN=20
class=3D436134816-16092018>I suggest the best thermostat has these =
features: fails=20
in the open position i.e. coolant circulates through the radiator. You =
can get=20
home with a cool engine but not a hot one. Blocks circulation of coolant =
between=20
the engine and radiator until the engine has reached its predetermined=20
temperature. i.e. The thermostat fits the housing and seals when closed. =

</SPAN><SPAN class=3D436134816-16092018>The thermostat fully opens about =
15-20=20
degrees above its rated temperature. The thermostat should have a =
&#8220;jiggle pin&#8221;=20
or &#8220;check valve&#8221; that allows trapped air in the cooling =
system to pass through=20
the thermostat and be released from the=20
system.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D436134816-16092018></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D436134816-16092018>Do I have the right one? Based on old manuals =
I have=20
seen there were two temperature ratings for 3000 Healeys, Summer 70 Deg =
C/160=20
Deg F and Winter 86 Deg C/185 Deg F. I believe the thinking behind the =
two=20
thermostat approach was to reduce boiling the radiator in summer and to =
make the=20
heater work better in the winter. Depending on where you live and and=20
the&nbsp;driving conditions may influence which end of the range you =
want to be=20
at. If you live in Florida and/or drive in slow moving traffic I would =
suggest=20
the 160 degree. Your cooling system will have more reserve =
when&nbsp;traffic=20
slows. If you live in Ottawa 185 is likely better as it is winter all =
the time.=20
However, the most important factor&nbsp;is not opening temperature but =
does the=20
thermostat properly control the coolant temperature. If you have a 160 =
degree=20
thermostat and the coolant temperature fluctuates between 160-180 then =
it is the=20
right one. Likewise the 185 should stay between 185-205. It is most =
important=20
for the cooling system to stay between the lower and upper temperatures. =
If the=20
temperature is not between these two points then the cooling system is =
"not in=20
control".</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D436134816-16092018></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D436134816-16092018>Bottom line is if the cooling system is "in =
control"=20
and you are happy with the way the car warms up&nbsp;you have the right=20
thermostat.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
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class=3D436134816-16092018>Harold</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><B>From:</B> Healeys=20
[mailto:[email-masked]] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Linwood=20
Rose<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 16, 2018 7:19 AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
Rossm<BR><B>Cc:</B> Forum Healeys<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys]=20
Thermostats<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>I would like to go back to Steve Byers&#8217; comment. I am =
not so much=20
concerned about my car overheating. When the engine was rebuilt it was=20
thoroughly cleaned to get rid of all sludge. I run an aluminum radiator, =
have=20
built and installed air ducting for improved flow. I do not have an =
electric=20
fan.&nbsp;
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>My problem was that my engine ran cool and would take quite a while =
to=20
&#8220;warm up.&#8221; I think I was using a 165 degree (or thereabouts) =
non-sleeved=20
thermostat. Robert Shaw as I recall. So I wanted to get my engine up to =
185-190=20
degrees sooner. I went with one of the same AC sleeved thermostats 82 =
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September.=20
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NLA,=20
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Well, I just moved to southern Florida -so it looks like David Nock=E2=80=99=
s bellows, fail open thermostat should be the one for me =F0=9F=91=8D=F0=9F=98=
=80
Lin

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2018, at 1:52 PM, Harold Manifold <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> I tried to help myself but I have once again been drawn into a discussion a=
bout engine thermostats. As I read the posts the underlying questions are wh=
at is the best thermostat and do I have the right one? I will correct one Po=
ster who suggested the role of the thermostat was to control pressure in the=
 cooling system. While thermostats may have an effect on pressure in the coo=
ling system that is the job of the radiator cap.
> =20
> I suggest the best thermostat has these features: fails in the open positi=
on i.e. coolant circulates through the radiator. You can get home with a coo=
l engine but not a hot one. Blocks circulation of coolant between the engine=
 and radiator until the engine has reached its predetermined temperature. i.=
e. The thermostat fits the housing and seals when closed. The thermostat ful=
ly opens about 15-20 degrees above its rated temperature. The thermostat sho=
uld have a =E2=80=9Cjiggle pin=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Ccheck valve=E2=80=9D tha=
t allows trapped air in the cooling system to pass through the thermostat an=
d be released from the system.
> =20
> Do I have the right one? Based on old manuals I have seen there were two t=
emperature ratings for 3000 Healeys, Summer 70 Deg C/160 Deg F and Winter 86=
 Deg C/185 Deg F. I believe the thinking behind the two thermostat approach w=
as to reduce boiling the radiator in summer and to make the heater work bett=
er in the winter. Depending on where you live and and the driving conditions=
 may influence which end of the range you want to be at. If you live in Flor=
ida and/or drive in slow moving traffic I would suggest the 160 degree. Your=
 cooling system will have more reserve when traffic slows. If you live in Ot=
tawa 185 is likely better as it is winter all the time. However, the most im=
portant factor is not opening temperature but does the thermostat properly c=
ontrol the coolant temperature. If you have a 160 degree thermostat and the c=
oolant temperature fluctuates between 160-180 then it is the right one. Like=
wise the 185 should stay between 185-205. It is most important for the cooli=
ng system to stay between the lower and upper temperatures. If the temperatu=
re is not between these two points then the cooling system is "not in contro=
l".
> =20
> Bottom line is if the cooling system is "in control" and you are happy wit=
h the way the car warms up you have the right thermostat.
> =20
> Harold
> =20
>=20
> From: Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Linwood=
 Rose
> I would like to go back to Steve Byers=E2=80=99 comment. I am not so much c=
oncerned about my car overheating. When the engine was rebuilt it was thorou=
ghly cleaned to get rid of all sludge. I run an aluminum radiator, have buil=
t and installed air ducting for improved flow. I do not have an electric fan=
.=20
>=20
> My problem was that my engine ran cool and would take quite a while to =E2=
=80=9Cwarm up.=E2=80=9D I think I was using a 165 degree (or thereabouts) no=
n-sleeved thermostat. Robert Shaw as I recall. So I wanted to get my engine u=
p to 185-190 degrees sooner. I went with one of the same AC sleeved thermost=
ats 82 degrees centigrade from Kees that Steve used. The engine seems to be m=
uch happier and gets to running temp more quickly.
>=20
> At least for my engine, a 160-165 degree thermostat keeps things cool too l=
ong. In a perfect world I would prefer David Nock=E2=80=99s bellows thermost=
at but with a 185-190 degree opening. Since that doesn=E2=80=99t seem to be a=
vailable I think I will stick with the AC unit and keep my eye on the temp. G=
auge.
>=20
> I am no authority on this. I am simply passing along my experience. Am I u=
nderstanding all of this correctly?=20
>> To be fair Michael, it is hot maybe three days a year in Canada?:) .  I l=
eft Calgary yesterday for the Rendezvous and it was snowing already. First t=
ime the hood contraption on the BN6 has been up since last September. =20
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>>> On Sep 15, 2018, at 10:50, Michael Salter <[email-masked]> wro=
>>> From: Healeys <[email-masked]> on behalf of Rossm <rvmay=
[email-masked]>
>>> Three sleeved thermostats, one on the right 160 degrees, middle no idea,=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
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e one for me =F0=9F=91=8D=F0=9F=98=80<div>Lin<br><div><br><div id=3D"AppleMa=
ilSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Sep 16, 2018, at 1:52 PM, H=
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ld manuals I have=20
seen there were two temperature ratings for 3000 Healeys, Summer 70 Deg C/16=
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Deg F and Winter 86 Deg C/185 Deg F. I believe the thinking behind the two=20=

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me.=20
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t=20
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nt></font></div>
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<font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Healeys=20
[<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:healeys-bounces@au=
tox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Linwood=20
Rose<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 16, 2018 7:19 AM<br><b>To:</b>=20
Rossm<br><b>Cc:</b> Forum Healeys<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys]=20
Thermostats<br></font><br></div>
<div></div>I would like to go back to Steve Byers=E2=80=99 comment. I am not=
 so much=20
concerned about my car overheating. When the engine was rebuilt it was=20
thoroughly cleaned to get rid of all sludge. I run an aluminum radiator, hav=
e=20
built and installed air ducting for improved flow. I do not have an electric=
=20
fan.&nbsp;
<div><br></div>
<div>My problem was that my engine ran cool and would take quite a while to=20=

=E2=80=9Cwarm up.=E2=80=9D I think I was using a 165 degree (or thereabouts)=
 non-sleeved=20
thermostat. Robert Shaw as I recall. So I wanted to get my engine up to 185-=
190=20
degrees sooner. I went with one of the same AC sleeved thermostats 82 degree=
s=20
centigrade from Kees that Steve used. The engine seems to be much happier an=
d=20
gets to running temp more quickly.</div>
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<div>At least for my engine, a 160-165 degree thermostat keeps things cool t=
oo=20
long. In a perfect world I would prefer David Nock=E2=80=99s bellows thermos=
tat but with=20
a 185-190 degree opening. Since that doesn=E2=80=99t seem to be available I t=
hink I will=20
stick with the AC unit and keep my eye on the temp. Gauge.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I am no authority on this. I am simply passing along my experience. Am I=
=20
understanding all of this correctly?&nbsp;</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Lin<br><br>
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  <div>To be fair Michael, it is hot maybe three days a year in Canada?:) .=20=

  &nbsp;I left Calgary yesterday for the Rendezvous and it was snowing alrea=
dy.=20
  First time the hood contraption on the BN6 has been up since last Septembe=
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    <div>Well I have watched this discussion on sleeved thermostats for the l=
ast=20
    week but now I just have to say. When the sleeved thermostats went NLA,=20=

    about 45 years ago, we resorted to installing just plain old Stant 175=20=

    degree stats and guess what ... not one complaint or comment on running=20=

    hotter or overheating and absolutely no sign of any symptoms of overheat=
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/a>&gt;=20
    on behalf of Rossm &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">rvmaylor@shaw=
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On this matter of choosing the proper thermostat for your car I fear that I a=
m becoming the saying on my favorite bumper sticker : =E2=80=9CI am schizoph=
renic, and so am I.=E2=80=9D
Lin

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The main purpose of a thermostat is to stay closed to warm the engine up =
to whatever the operating temperature is.

=20

John,

San Jose, CA

=20

From: Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
Linwood Rose
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 7:19 AM
To: Rossm <[email-masked]>
Cc: Forum Healeys <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Thermostats

=20

I would like to go back to Steve Byers=E2=80=99 comment. I am not so =
much concerned about my car overheating. When the engine was rebuilt it =
was thoroughly cleaned to get rid of all sludge. I run an aluminum =
radiator, have built and installed air ducting for improved flow. I do =
not have an electric fan.=20

=20

My problem was that my engine ran cool and would take quite a while to =
=E2=80=9Cwarm up.=E2=80=9D I think I was using a 165 degree (or =
thereabouts) non-sleeved thermostat. Robert Shaw as I recall. So I =
wanted to get my engine up to 185-190 degrees sooner. I went with one of =
the same AC sleeved thermostats 82 degrees centigrade from Kees that =
Steve used. The engine seems to be much happier and gets to running temp =
more quickly.

=20

At least for my engine, a 160-165 degree thermostat keeps things cool =
too long. In a perfect world I would prefer David Nock=E2=80=99s bellows =
thermostat but with a 185-190 degree opening. Since that doesn=E2=80=99t =
seem to be available I think I will stick with the AC unit and keep my =
eye on the temp. Gauge.

=20

I am no authority on this. I am simply passing along my experience Am I =
understanding all of this correctly?=20

=20

Thanks,

Lin

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2018, at 9:30 PM, Rossm <[email-masked] =

To be fair Michael, it is hot maybe three days a year in Canada?:) .  I =
left Calgary yesterday for the Rendezvous and it was snowing already. =
First time the hood contraption on the BN6 has been up since last =
September. =20

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2018, at 10:50, Michael Salter <[email-masked] =

Well I have watched this discussion on sleeved thermostats for the last =
week but now I just have to say. When the sleeved thermostats went NLA, =
about 45 years ago, we resorted to installing just plain old Stant 175 =
degree stats and guess what ... not one complaint or comment on running =
hotter or overheating and absolutely no sign of any symptoms of =
overheating on my own BJ8 even in the hottest of ambient temperatures. =
It just didn't happen!!! Just sayin'. M=20

  _____ =20

From: Healeys <[email-masked] =
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 10:35:32 AM
To: Forum Healeys
Subject: [Healeys] Thermostats=20

=20

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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>The main purpose of a thermostat is to stay closed to warm the engine =
up to whatever the operating temperature is.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>John,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>San Jose, CA<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Linwood Rose<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 16, 2018 7:19 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> Rossm &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Forum =
Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] =
Thermostats<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I would like =
to go back to Steve Byers=E2=80=99 comment. I am not so much concerned =
about my car overheating. When the engine was rebuilt it was thoroughly =
cleaned to get rid of all sludge. I run an aluminum radiator, have built =
and installed air ducting for improved flow. I do not have an electric =
fan.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>My problem was that my engine ran cool and would take =
quite a while to =E2=80=9Cwarm up.=E2=80=9D I think I was using a 165 =
degree (or thereabouts) non-sleeved thermostat. Robert Shaw as I recall. =
So I wanted to get my engine up to 185-190 degrees sooner. I went with =
one of the same AC sleeved thermostats 82 degrees centigrade from Kees =
that Steve used. The engine seems to be much happier and gets to running =
temp more quickly.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>At least for my engine, a 160-165 degree thermostat =
keeps things cool too long. In a perfect world I would prefer David =
Nock=E2=80=99s bellows thermostat but with a 185-190 degree opening. =
Since that doesn=E2=80=99t seem to be available I think I will stick =
with the AC unit and keep my eye on the temp. =
Gauge.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
am no authority on this. I am simply passing along my experience Am I =
understanding all of this correctly?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Lin<o:p></o:p></p><div =
id=3DAppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my =
iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Sep 15, 2018, at 9:30 PM, Rossm =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>To be fair Michael, it is hot maybe three =
days a year in Canada?:) . &nbsp;I left Calgary yesterday for the =
Rendezvous and it was snowing already. First time the hood contraption =
on the BN6 has been up since last September. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div =
id=3DAppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my =
iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Sep 15, 2018, at 10:50, Michael =
Salter &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Well I have watched this discussion on sleeved =
thermostats for the last week but now I just have to say. When the =
sleeved thermostats went NLA, about 45 years ago, we resorted to =
installing just plain old Stant 175 degree stats and guess what ... not =
one complaint or comment on running hotter or overheating and absolutely =
no sign of any symptoms of overheating on my own BJ8 even in the hottest =
of ambient temperatures. It just didn't happen!!! Just sayin'. M =
<o:p></o:p></p><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center'><hr size=3D2 width=3D"98%" =
align=3Dcenter></div><div id=3D"x_divRplyFwdMsg"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>F=
rom:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
.net</a>&gt; on behalf of Rossm &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b>=
 Saturday, September 15, 2018 10:35:32 AM<br><b>To:</b> Forum =
Healeys<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Thermostats</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Three sleeved thermostats, one on the right =
160 degrees, middle no idea,&nbsp; left is a Smiths x85002s/86 (180F) =
and has failed open. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote =
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Really?  As to not mis-lead all our good friends to the south; I went to =
British Car Day today in Bronte (Ontario, Canada) =E2=80=93 good turnout =
of Healeys (with both sleeved and un-sleeved thermostats no doubt) =
=E2=80=93 by mid-afternoon I had enough of the heat (over 30 C) and =
humidity (around 75%) and drove back home to my igloo.   I=E2=80=99m =
just glad this event is in the fall so we avoided August when it was =
REALLY hot.=20

Mirek

=20

From: Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Rossm
Sent: September-15-18 9:31 PM
To: Forum Healeys
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Thermostats

=20

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2018, at 10:50, Michael Salter <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

  _____ =20

From: Healeys <[email-masked]> on behalf of Rossm =
<[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 10:35:32 AM
To: Forum Healeys
Subject: [Healeys] Thermostats=20

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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Really?=C2=A0=
 As to not mis-lead all our good friends to the south; I went to British =
Car Day today in Bronte (Ontario, Canada) =E2=80=93 good turnout of =
Healeys (with both sleeved and un-sleeved thermostats no doubt) =
=E2=80=93 by mid-afternoon I had enough of the heat (over 30 C) and =
humidity (around 75%) and drove back home to my igloo. =
=C2=A0=C2=A0I=E2=80=99m just glad this event is in the fall so we =
avoided August when it was REALLY hot. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Mirek<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF =
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lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Healeys =
[mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Rossm<br><b>Sent:</b> September-15-18 9:31 PM<br><b>To:</b> Forum =
Healeys<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] =
Thermostats<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>To be fair Michael, it is hot maybe three =
days a year in Canada?:) . &nbsp;I left Calgary yesterday for the =
Rendezvous and it was snowing already. First time the hood contraption =
on the BN6 has been up since last September. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div =
id=3DAppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my =
iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Sep 15, 2018, at 10:50, Michael =
Salter &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Well I have watched this discussion on sleeved =
thermostats for the last week but now I just have to say. When the =
sleeved thermostats went NLA, about 45 years ago, we resorted to =
installing just plain old Stant 175 degree stats and guess what ... not =
one complaint or comment on running hotter or overheating and absolutely =
no sign of any symptoms of overheating on my own BJ8 even in the hottest =
of ambient temperatures. It just didn't happen!!! Just sayin'. M =
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From: David Nock <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 20:16:50 -0700

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If you are using the alloy radiator you have a short neck cap. Depending on t=
he press=E2=80=99s app you are using you can not use a bellows type thermost=
at. Because the bellows will collapse if you use anything over 7 lbs. Then t=
he thermostat will close and the engine will overheat.=20

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">If you are using the alloy radiator you hav=
e a short neck cap. Depending on the press=E2=80=99s app you are using you c=
an not use a bellows type thermostat. Because the bellows will collapse if y=
ou use anything over 7 lbs. Then the thermostat will close and the engine wi=
ll overheat.&nbsp;<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone=
</div><div><br>On Sep 16, 2018, at 7:19 AM, Linwood Rose &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><div><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text=
/html; charset=3Dutf-8">I would like to go back to Steve Byers=E2=80=99 comm=
ent. I am not so much concerned about my car overheating. When the engine wa=
s rebuilt it was thoroughly cleaned to get rid of all sludge. I run an alumi=
num radiator, have built and installed air ducting for improved flow. I do n=
ot have an electric fan.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>My problem was that my eng=
ine ran cool and would take quite a while to =E2=80=9Cwarm up.=E2=80=9D I th=
ink I was using a 165 degree (or thereabouts) non-sleeved thermostat. Robert=
 Shaw as I recall. So I wanted to get my engine up to 185-190 degrees sooner=
. I went with one of the same AC sleeved thermostats 82 degrees centigrade f=
rom Kees that Steve used. The engine seems to be much happier and gets to ru=
nning temp more quickly.</div><div><br></div><div>At least for my engine, a 1=
60-165 degree thermostat keeps things cool too long. In a perfect world I wo=
uld prefer David Nock=E2=80=99s bellows thermostat but with a 185-190 degree=
 opening. Since that doesn=E2=80=99t seem to be available I think I will sti=
ck with the AC unit and keep my eye on the temp. Gauge.</div><div><br></div>=
<div>I am no authority on this. I am simply passing along my experience. Am I=
 understanding all of this correctly?&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,=
</div><div>Lin<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</di=
v><div><br>On Sep 15, 2018, at 9:30 PM, Rossm &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rvmaylor=
@shaw.ca">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite"><div><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8">To be fair Michael, it is hot maybe three days a year in Canada?:) . &=
nbsp;I left Calgary yesterday for the Rendezvous and it was snowing already.=
 First time the hood contraption on the BN6 has been up since last September=
. &nbsp;<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div><div=
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