[Fot] Electric cars

[Tim Murphy]

Hydrogen has to be produced also.  You can either extract it from the air or
strip it off of water molecules.  Both processes take energy, and if I
recall correctly, not necessarily an insignificant amount.

Tim

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars

You are correct.  It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants,
hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries!  Then they end up in a
landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them.  But they are "green" vehicles
and
oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle.  Zero emissions and
power....maybe not in my lifetime but.

I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was
backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped
me.
Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well.....

Ty


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On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> ---- RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:
>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are  no good
>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of
the
>> car?
>
> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for
his
1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect
means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k).  (Yes, I realize a Prius has
a
relatively small battery, it's just a data point).
>
> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets
scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing.
>
> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in
Canada.  Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it
doesn't seem to have happened yet.  At the moment, lithium is so cheap that
it
doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain
more acceptance.
>
> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal
combustion.
There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so
on.  But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim.
They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the
pollution comes out somewhere else.  NFI, YMMV, etc.
>
> Randall
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