From mark at bradakis.com Sun Dec 1 11:35:28 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2019 11:35:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Interesting archive search Message-ID: <11f1a2b2-e6d2-9fa0-af29-94a84c592cff@bradakis.com> S0 for the 2020 Kastner Cup I was planning on flying to Indianapolis to visit there, then acquiring a vehicle to drive to the event.? I was just talking to the fellow I was going to visit and he expressed an interest in joining me for the weekend.? I was going to give him the exact dates, but forgot. No problem, the FOT list has a searchable archive.? So I go to the archive, type '2020 Kastner Cup' in the search box, and get 0 matches.? Not even 1.? Odd.? Maybe the archiving program I am using is not the greatest. mjb. From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Dec 1 11:56:19 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2019 12:56:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Interesting archive search In-Reply-To: <11f1a2b2-e6d2-9fa0-af29-94a84c592cff@bradakis.com> References: <11f1a2b2-e6d2-9fa0-af29-94a84c592cff@bradakis.com> Message-ID: 26-28 June 2020. Also, see websites like SVRA, MID-OHIO, FOT, kaskastner.com I assume all of these websites are up to date. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Dec 1, 2019, at 12:35 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > ?S0 for the 2020 Kastner Cup I was planning on flying to Indianapolis to visit there, then acquiring a vehicle to drive to the event. I was just talking to the fellow I was going to visit and he expressed an interest in joining me for the weekend. I was going to give him the exact dates, but forgot. > > No problem, the FOT list has a searchable archive. So I go to the archive, type '2020 Kastner Cup' in the search box, and get 0 matches. Not even 1. Odd. Maybe the archiving program I am using is not the greatest. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Dec 3 07:00:41 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 08:00:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons Message-ID: FOT, Does anyone buy JE 89mm pistons? If not, where do you get them? I have a friend in France who is looking for 12 of them. Thank you. http://www.jepistons.com/Catalogs/Automotive/Index.aspx Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Dec 3 07:42:28 2019 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 14:42:28 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I always bought my JE pistons directly from JE. Scott (B.) -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 8:01 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons FOT, Does anyone buy JE 89mm pistons? If not, where do you get them? I have a friend in France who is looking for 12 of them. Thank you. https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jepistons.com%2FCatalogs%2FAutomotive%2FIndex.aspx&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ce9ddba7ed57e4055592808d777f98290%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637109785841496186&sdata=GimoZIT60LacPqvGv0%2Be4bB%2FQp05DIg7ygjEPcbN1Mo%3D&reserved=0 Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing.com&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ce9ddba7ed57e4055592808d777f98290%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637109785841501184&sdata=7lSZiUS%2FEvPch6zMGAAXEDlNaS%2FZmMqDRNYu3kFhRwg%3D&reserved=0 Donate: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fdonate.html&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ce9ddba7ed57e4055592808d777f98290%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637109785841501184&sdata=KxH7r%2Bq0VKmTYMnF1U6LI6SB9Dm0OV5ZFjIkVNUaD7s%3D&reserved=0 Archive: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Farchive&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ce9ddba7ed57e4055592808d777f98290%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637109785841501184&sdata=dXUu4mRbgp6mJXhUO7ky7kJbJO%2FnH%2BUvfDgEUfqKYxA%3D&reserved=0 https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fpipermail%2Ffot&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ce9ddba7ed57e4055592808d777f98290%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637109785841501184&sdata=pSN7oJ0VVYdzCXuzumnqN7zfTKCqrzbZyvWkusmVlBU%3D&reserved=0 Unsubscribe/Manage: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fsbarr%40mccarty-law.com&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ce9ddba7ed57e4055592808d777f98290%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637109785841501184&sdata=G5wwPC%2BdUjKm9Ri3GLI0yIv1hdA3dclKhIMOs4cdV5I%3D&reserved=0 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Dec 3 09:40:56 2019 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (JAMES GRAY) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 09:40:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <179246572.408622.1575391256851@connect.xfinity.com> Wiseco makes all my pistons, I use pop ups and they will give me any size dome I want. Sue Nash has been great to work with. I've always bought them through BFE but technical coordination has been between myself and Sue. Nash, Sue Jim G. > On December 3, 2019 at 7:00 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > > FOT, > > Does anyone buy JE 89mm pistons? > If not, where do you get them? > > I have a friend in France who is looking for 12 of them. > > Thank you. > > http://www.jepistons.com/Catalogs/Automotive/Index.aspx > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Dec 3 11:09:42 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 13:09:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons In-Reply-To: <179246572.408622.1575391256851@connect.xfinity.com> References: <179246572.408622.1575391256851@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <09c42646-7023-fa08-69c9-a86fca9094b1@verizon.net> I think Wiseco ans JE are located in the same building east of Cleveland. They are competitors but also work together on projects. I got a tour one day; spectacular shop. Cheers Bill On 12/3/2019 11:40 AM, JAMES GRAY via Fot wrote: > Wiseco makes all my pistons, I use pop ups and they will give me any size dome I want. > Sue Nash has been great to work with. I've always bought them through BFE but technical > coordination has been between myself and Sue. Nash, Sue > > Jim G. > > > >> On December 3, 2019 at 7:00 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> >> FOT, >> >> Does anyone buy JE 89mm pistons? >> If not, where do you get them? >> >> I have a friend in France who is looking for 12 of them. >> >> Thank you. >> >> http://www.jepistons.com/Catalogs/Automotive/Index.aspx >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Dec 3 12:45:25 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 11:45:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons In-Reply-To: <09c42646-7023-fa08-69c9-a86fca9094b1@verizon.net> References: <09c42646-7023-fa08-69c9-a86fca9094b1@verizon.net> Message-ID: JE is located right around the corner from my office in Cypress CA... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 3, 2019, at 10:09 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > ?I think Wiseco ans JE are located in the same building east of Cleveland. They are competitors but also work together on projects. > > I got a tour one day; spectacular shop. > > Cheers Bill > >> On 12/3/2019 11:40 AM, JAMES GRAY via Fot wrote: >> Wiseco makes all my pistons, I use pop ups and they will give me any size dome I want. >> Sue Nash has been great to work with. I've always bought them through BFE but technical >> coordination has been between myself and Sue. Nash, Sue >> >> Jim G. >> >> >> >>>> On December 3, 2019 at 7:00 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> FOT, >>> >>> Does anyone buy JE 89mm pistons? >>> If not, where do you get them? >>> >>> I have a friend in France who is looking for 12 of them. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> http://www.jepistons.com/Catalogs/Automotive/Index.aspx >>> >>> >>> Joe Alexander >>> 4505 Donald Dr >>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >>> The-vintage-racer.com >>> Gasketinnovations.com >>> Cell: 319.464.4711 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Dec 3 13:29:00 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 12:29:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons In-Reply-To: <09c42646-7023-fa08-69c9-a86fca9094b1@verizon.net> References: <179246572.408622.1575391256851@connect.xfinity.com> <09c42646-7023-fa08-69c9-a86fca9094b1@verizon.net> Message-ID: <164588884.214377.1575404941082@connect.xfinity.com> JE purchased Wiseco from the Kipp family. Mentor, Ohio. I think I called Wiseco fairly recently and they answered the phone as JE. Tom Kipp was a top tier AMA motorcycle racer back in the '90s-2000s. I grew up very near the town of Mentor. Dave H. > On December 3, 2019 at 10:09 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > > I think Wiseco ans JE are located in the same building east of > Cleveland. They are competitors but also work together on projects. > > I got a tour one day; spectacular shop. > > Cheers Bill > > On 12/3/2019 11:40 AM, JAMES GRAY via Fot wrote: > > Wiseco makes all my pistons, I use pop ups and they will give me any size dome I want. > > Sue Nash has been great to work with. I've always bought them through BFE but technical > > coordination has been between myself and Sue. Nash, Sue > > > > Jim G. > > > > > > > >> On December 3, 2019 at 7:00 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > >> > >> > >> FOT, > >> > >> Does anyone buy JE 89mm pistons? > >> If not, where do you get them? > >> > >> I have a friend in France who is looking for 12 of them. > >> > >> Thank you. > >> > >> http://www.jepistons.com/Catalogs/Automotive/Index.aspx > >> > >> > >> Joe Alexander > >> 4505 Donald Dr > >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > >> The-vintage-racer.com > >> Gasketinnovations.com > >> Cell: 319.464.4711 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Dec 3 13:40:10 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 15:40:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons In-Reply-To: References: <09c42646-7023-fa08-69c9-a86fca9094b1@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8332ff02-10be-aba5-de7e-4b87f544ba7f@verizon.net> That's correct. But they are manufactured in Kirtland Ohio in the same plant as Wiseco. Just talked to Wiseco. Cheers Bill OBTW: Sue Nash has been there about 40 years! On 12/3/2019 2:45 PM, Brad Eells wrote: > JE is located right around the corner from my office in Cypress CA... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 3, 2019, at 10:09 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >> >> ?I think Wiseco ans JE are located in the same building east of Cleveland. They are competitors but also work together on projects. >> >> I got a tour one day; spectacular shop. >> >> Cheers Bill >> >>> On 12/3/2019 11:40 AM, JAMES GRAY via Fot wrote: >>> Wiseco makes all my pistons, I use pop ups and they will give me any size dome I want. >>> Sue Nash has been great to work with. I've always bought them through BFE but technical >>> coordination has been between myself and Sue. Nash, Sue >>> >>> Jim G. >>> >>> >>> >>>>> On December 3, 2019 at 7:00 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> FOT, >>>> >>>> Does anyone buy JE 89mm pistons? >>>> If not, where do you get them? >>>> >>>> I have a friend in France who is looking for 12 of them. >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> http://www.jepistons.com/Catalogs/Automotive/Index.aspx >>>> >>>> >>>> Joe Alexander >>>> 4505 Donald Dr >>>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >>>> The-vintage-racer.com >>>> Gasketinnovations.com >>>> Cell: 319.464.4711 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Dec 3 13:40:10 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 15:40:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons In-Reply-To: References: <09c42646-7023-fa08-69c9-a86fca9094b1@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8332ff02-10be-aba5-de7e-4b87f544ba7f@verizon.net> That's correct. But they are manufactured in Kirtland Ohio in the same plant as Wiseco. Just talked to Wiseco. Cheers Bill OBTW: Sue Nash has been there about 40 years! On 12/3/2019 2:45 PM, Brad Eells wrote: > JE is located right around the corner from my office in Cypress CA... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 3, 2019, at 10:09 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >> >> ?I think Wiseco ans JE are located in the same building east of Cleveland. They are competitors but also work together on projects. >> >> I got a tour one day; spectacular shop. >> >> Cheers Bill >> >>> On 12/3/2019 11:40 AM, JAMES GRAY via Fot wrote: >>> Wiseco makes all my pistons, I use pop ups and they will give me any size dome I want. >>> Sue Nash has been great to work with. I've always bought them through BFE but technical >>> coordination has been between myself and Sue. Nash, Sue >>> >>> Jim G. >>> >>> >>> >>>>> On December 3, 2019 at 7:00 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> FOT, >>>> >>>> Does anyone buy JE 89mm pistons? >>>> If not, where do you get them? >>>> >>>> I have a friend in France who is looking for 12 of them. >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> http://www.jepistons.com/Catalogs/Automotive/Index.aspx >>>> >>>> >>>> Joe Alexander >>>> 4505 Donald Dr >>>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >>>> The-vintage-racer.com >>>> Gasketinnovations.com >>>> Cell: 319.464.4711 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Dec 7 06:44:41 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 13:44:41 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update Message-ID: Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sat Dec 7 06:55:04 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 08:55:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59124121240846F9B1F455D82FE9EC92@VlackTK121647> FOT, In addition to Marty?s announcement I?ll be rolling out the 2020 Tee Shirt information sometime in January. The design is finalized and very well done in keeping with the quality of past race shirts. As Marty says get registered early please. JVV From: marty via Fot Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2019 8:44 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! Marty Sukey -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Dec 7 18:02:30 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2019 01:02:30 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Crank. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So I purchased a stalled TR6 project a while ago. Part of the collection was this TR6 crank customized by Medina Motorsports. 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I hold full rights to the Spitfire & GT6 Magazine name and likeness, so I give you permission to use for entertainment purposes. I DO, however ask that you not copy them and sell them. I have decided that is not how I want this to work. If you know anyone that can benefit from or would like to see these issues, simply direct them here or share the files with them that you have copied. These and the website are here to help and not to be profited from any longer. We are here to inspire and get those cars back on the road. I hope this helps in that campaign... Merry Christmas! Website: www.triumphspitfire.com Magazine Dropbox files: https://www.dropbox.com/?/3xpfe4?/AACpBcZo69Ws1F4EsdIfo-hDa? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Mon Dec 9 08:37:57 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 10:37:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only $100 to sign up. Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and belts. Scott Janzen GT6 On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot wrote: Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Dec 9 10:57:01 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 17:57:01 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June. Marty ________________________________ From: Scott Janzen Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM To: marty Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only $100 to sign up. Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and belts. Scott Janzen GT6 On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot > wrote: Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Mon Dec 9 11:20:40 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 13:20:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6CE6B8CF-8E26-4770-AF73-AD621FF5019E@me.com> Mike Harmuth just advised me that FIA dating is based on the calendar year, so send it out in a few weeks so that your device gets dated 2020. On Dec 9, 2019, at 12:57 PM, marty via Fot wrote: Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June. Marty From: Scott Janzen > Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM To: marty > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only $100 to sign up. Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and belts. Scott Janzen GT6 On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot > wrote: Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Mon Dec 9 13:25:52 2019 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 15:25:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Likewise, my hand was out of date. Tech was going to note my log book, but there was someone selling gear authorized to recertify, not cheep, but saved shipping back and forth On Mon, Dec 9, 2019, 1:00 PM marty via Fot wrote: > Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins > Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all > my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head > and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version > you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for > recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June. > > Marty > ------------------------------ > *From:* Scott Janzen > *Sent:* Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM > *To:* marty > *Cc:* 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update > > signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only > $100 to sign up. > Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and > belts. > > Scott Janzen > GT6 > > On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot wrote: > > Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes > for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling > into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month > hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 > Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some > will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT > list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup > races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I > have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we > will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log > onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. > Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to > start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 > back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for > the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA > is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Dec 9 13:28:46 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 21:28:46 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <000e01d5aecf$4284cb40$c78e61c0$@gmail.com> Hi Guys, my HANS doesn't has a expire date on it. Means it lasts forever? Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von marty via Fot Gesendet: Montag, 9. Dezember 2019 18:57 Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Betreff: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June. Marty _____ From: Scott Janzen > Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM To: marty > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it's only $100 to sign up. Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and belts. Scott Janzen GT6 On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot > wrote: Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at artwithcars.com Mon Dec 9 14:16:20 2019 From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 13:16:20 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear In-Reply-To: <000e01d5aecf$4284cb40$c78e61c0$@gmail.com> References: <000e01d5aecf$4284cb40$c78e61c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: They require recertification after a certain interval (five years?) I sent mine to Simpson and they replace the straps. It was $65 ~Steve > On Dec 9, 2019, at 12:29 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi Guys, > > my HANS doesn?t has a expire date on it. Means it lasts forever? > > Cheers > Chris > > > > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von marty via Fot > Gesendet: Montag, 9. Dezember 2019 18:57 > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear > > Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June. > > Marty > From: Scott Janzen > Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM > To: marty > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update > > signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only $100 to sign up. > Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and belts. > > Scott Janzen > GT6 > > On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot wrote: > > Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/steve at artwithcars.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Dec 9 14:21:07 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 22:21:07 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear In-Reply-To: References: <000e01d5aecf$4284cb40$c78e61c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001701d5aed6$92b4e260$b81ea720$@gmail.com> Over the years, mine HANS has passed scrutineering in whole Europe. It is in use since I think 2012 or something? Cheers Chris Von: Steven Belfer Gesendet: Montag, 9. Dezember 2019 22:16 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: fot at autox. team. net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear They require recertification after a certain interval (five years?) I sent mine to Simpson and they replace the straps. It was $65 ~Steve On Dec 9, 2019, at 12:29 PM, Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: ? Hi Guys, my HANS doesn?t has a expire date on it. Means it lasts forever? Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von marty via Fot Gesendet: Montag, 9. Dezember 2019 18:57 Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June. Marty _____ From: Scott Janzen > Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM To: marty > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only $100 to sign up. Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and belts. Scott Janzen GT6 On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot > wrote: Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/steve at artwithcars.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Mon Dec 9 14:40:00 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 16:40:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear In-Reply-To: <000e01d5aecf$4284cb40$c78e61c0$@gmail.com> References: <000e01d5aecf$4284cb40$c78e61c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Christian, mine is the same. It was built before the FIA adopted a standard. It is good forever, (kind of like SPAM) from a sanctioning body point of view, it has no expiration date explicitly listed. But, I found out the helmet straps do have a date on them and a fixed lifetime .SCCA, my normal run group, doesn't check them as long as the HANS frame is in compliance. SVRA does look and I had to buy a new tether at the track. I have an original HANS brand device, I can't speak to the requirements or limitations on other manufacture's hardware. mike h On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 3:29 PM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > Hi Guys, > > > > my HANS doesn?t has a expire date on it. Means it lasts forever? > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > > > *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *marty via Fot > *Gesendet:* Montag, 9. Dezember 2019 18:57 > *Cc:* 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > *Betreff:* [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear > > > > Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins > Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all > my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head > and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version > you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for > recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June. > > > > Marty > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Scott Janzen > *Sent:* Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM > *To:* marty > *Cc:* 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update > > > > signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only > $100 to sign up. > > Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and > belts. > > > > Scott Janzen > > GT6 > > > > On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot wrote: > > > > Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes > for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling > into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month > hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 > Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some > will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT > list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup > races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I > have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we > will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log > onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. > Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to > start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 > back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for > the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA > is going assign us spots. 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Phil -----Original Message----- From: Mike Harmuth via Fot To: Christian Marx Cc: fot at autox. team. net Sent: Mon, Dec 9, 2019 4:41 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear Hi Christian, mine is the same. It was built before the FIA adopted a standard. It is good forever, (kind of like SPAM) from a sanctioning body point of view, it has no expiration date explicitly listed. But, I found out the helmet straps do have a date on them and a fixed lifetime .SCCA, my normal run group, doesn't check them as long as the HANS frame is in compliance. SVRA does look and I had to buy a new tether at the track.?I have an original?HANS brand device, I can't speak to the requirements or limitations on other manufacture's hardware. mike h On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 3:29 PM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: Hi Guys,?my HANS doesn?t has a expire date on it. Means it lasts forever??CheersChris???Von: Fot Im Auftrag von marty via Fot Gesendet: Montag, 9. Dezember 2019 18:57 Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Betreff: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear?Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June.?MartyFrom: Scott Janzen Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM To: marty Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update ?signed up. Easy.? If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only $100 to sign up. Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and belts.?Scott JanzenGT6?On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot wrote:?Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on? Sunday you will get your $100 back.? I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA is going assign us spots. 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I think they typically sell for 100.00 each plus shipping. How about I pay the shipping and someone here pays me 250.00 for them all?? Saves you about 75.00. If you want to buy just one we can do it for 85.00 I guess too. Come and get them. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sometimes this is enforced, sometimes not. > > The small handheld fire extinguishers typically used (where allowed) in > race cars often have no periodic maintenance schedule on them. Note that > the National Fire Protection Association indicates a life expectancy of 12 > to 15 years. > > Phil > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Harmuth via Fot > To: Christian Marx > Cc: fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Mon, Dec 9, 2019 4:41 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear > > Hi Christian, mine is the same. It was built before the FIA adopted a > standard. It is good forever, (kind of like SPAM) from a sanctioning body > point of view, it has no expiration date explicitly listed. But, I found > out the helmet straps do have a date on them and a fixed lifetime .SCCA, my > normal run group, doesn't check them as long as the HANS frame is in > compliance. SVRA does look and I had to buy a new tether at the track. > I have an original HANS brand device, I can't speak to the requirements or > limitations on other manufacture's hardware. > > mike h > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 3:29 PM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > my HANS doesn?t has a expire date on it. Means it lasts forever? > > Cheers > Chris > > > > *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *marty via Fot > *Gesendet:* Montag, 9. Dezember 2019 18:57 > *Cc:* 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > *Betreff:* [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear > > Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins > Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all > my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head > and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version > you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for > recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June. > > Marty > ------------------------------ > *From:* Scott Janzen > *Sent:* Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM > *To:* marty > *Cc:* 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update > > signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only > $100 to sign up. > Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and > belts. > > Scott Janzen > GT6 > > On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot wrote: > > Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes > for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling > into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month > hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 > Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some > will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT > list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup > races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I > have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we > will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log > onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. > Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to > start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 > back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for > the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA > is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have already registered and it wont let me open my registration back up on line to see the exact wording but here is what I remember. When you click on the event registration link for this event on the SVRA web site you will get a drop down menu showing all the options. About three lines down there is a line for the Kastner Cup/ Feature race for $100. It states somewhere in that line that if you are a Triumph competitor that you only have to select that line item to be registered for the entire weekend. I hope that makes sense, and I hope I remember correctly. My receipt reflects that to be correct. Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Dec 13 13:38:02 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 20:38:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 7-1/4 dia Tilton Clutch Disc Message-ID: I purchased the set of three Tilton clutch disc that were posted on the list recently. It appears that Tilton mistakenly sent Mark 7/8 x 10 spline disc instead of 1 x 10spline disc. So I have 3 brand new still in the boxes 7-1/4 dia. Tilton clutch disc with a 7/8 x 10 spline core that I cannot use. These will work in a Tilton or Quartermaster clutch setup. The thickness is .104. If anybody can use them they are for sale for what I paid which is $250. This is like a $150 savings. I can ship them to you instead of Mark and save him the aggravation of relisting them. Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sun Dec 15 10:49:51 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 11:49:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK Message-ID: <63E7134C-64B7-40EF-A613-71E0C1B9BEE5@icloud.com> I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. Thanks Greg. http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 Sent from my iPhone From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Mon Dec 16 08:49:23 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 16:49:23 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK In-Reply-To: <63E7134C-64B7-40EF-A613-71E0C1B9BEE5@icloud.com> References: <63E7134C-64B7-40EF-A613-71E0C1B9BEE5@icloud.com> Message-ID: <157490412.165958881.1576511363767.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018". Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of machining. I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was always satisfied. Marcel. ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51 Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. Thanks Greg. http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at veral From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Dec 16 10:55:12 2019 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 17:55:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK In-Reply-To: <157490412.165958881.1576511363767.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <63E7134C-64B7-40EF-A613-71E0C1B9BEE5@icloud.com> <157490412.165958881.1576511363767.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <665770407.9348668.1576518912349@mail.yahoo.com> The liners distort a lot when torqued down, even 87mm.I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anything on them. Glen Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough? with the normal thickness? -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: Greg Blake Cc: fot Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018". Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough? with the normal thickness? Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of machining. I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was always satisfied. Marcel. ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51 Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. Thanks Greg.? http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at veral _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From horizonracing at msn.com Mon Dec 16 11:01:43 2019 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 18:01:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK In-Reply-To: <665770407.9348668.1576518912349@mail.yahoo.com> References: <63E7134C-64B7-40EF-A613-71E0C1B9BEE5@icloud.com> <157490412.165958881.1576511363767.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>, <665770407.9348668.1576518912349@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Regardless of who makes or supplies the liners , with the correct protrusion, the liner will hourglass . Only way to correct this is the use of a torque plate and then proceed with boring and honing to final finish size . Yes , a lot of work but you?ll get better ring seal and hopefully not stick a piston :-) Merry Christmas to all T Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:55 AM, fubog1 via Fot > wrote: The liners distort a lot when torqued down, even 87mm. I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anything on them. Glen Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > To: Greg Blake > Cc: fot > Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018". Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of machining. I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was always satisfied. Marcel. ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51 Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. Thanks Greg. http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at veral _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regardless of who makes or supplies the liners , with the correct protrusion, the liner will hourglass . > Only way to correct this is the use of a torque plate and then proceed with boring and honing to final finish size . > > Yes , a lot of work but you?ll get better ring seal and hopefully not stick a piston :-) > > Merry Christmas to all > T > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:55 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: >> >> The liners distort a lot when torqued down, even 87mm. >> I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anything on them. >> Glen >> Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot >> To: Greg Blake >> Cc: fot >> Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK >> >> The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018". >> Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? >> Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of machining. >> I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was always satisfied. >> Marcel. >> >> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- >> Van: "fot" >> Aan: "fot" >> Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51 >> Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK >> >> I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. >> >> Thanks >> Greg. >> >> >> http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at veral >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regardless of who makes or supplies the liners , with the correct protrusion, the liner will hourglass . > Only way to correct this is the use of a torque plate and then proceed with boring and honing to final finish size . > > Yes , a lot of work but you?ll get better ring seal and hopefully not stick a piston :-) > > Merry Christmas to all > T > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:55 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: >> >> The liners distort a lot when torqued down, even 87mm. >> I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anything on them. >> Glen >> Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot >> To: Greg Blake >> Cc: fot >> Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK >> >> The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018". >> Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? >> Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of machining. >> I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was always satisfied. >> Marcel. >> >> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- >> Van: "fot" >> Aan: "fot" >> Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51 >> Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK >> >> I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. >> >> Thanks >> Greg. >> >> >> http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at veral >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Mon Dec 16 13:39:00 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 21:39:00 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK In-Reply-To: <1692276380.167094310.1576528660491.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <38DA89D3-E0F4-4FBE-BE6C-E2FC6FCF028D@aol.com> <1692276380.167094310.1576528660491.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <735573868.167099712.1576528740280.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Phil Gott" Verzonden: Maandag 16 december 2019 21:37:40 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK That's why the copper gaskets are a bit thicker than the steel ones. The liners of Darryl are sitting a little bit lower (some 0.006 : probably not relevant?) and the block can be milled : that is surely an advantage to get a flat top face and the right protrusion of the liners everywhere. Few blocks are truly flat and in most cases the protrusion is not even everywhere. So I do agree that there is a lot to say for the longer liners that Daryll is selling, not only the 72 ? a set! Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Tony and Annie Garmey" Cc: "fot" , "fubog1" Verzonden: Maandag 16 december 2019 19:33:44 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK Daryl advocates decking the block as well To get proper protrusion. Eliminating the gasket reduces variation in protrusion due to variable gasket thicknesses, and also eliminates some of the possible loss of protrusion due to gasket compression ( more likely with copper than with steel). Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN BQ_END Regardless of who makes or supplies the liners , with the correct protrusion, the liner will hourglass . Only way to correct this is the use of a torque plate and then proceed with boring and honing to final finish size . Yes , a lot of work but you?ll get better ring seal and hopefully not stick a piston :-) Merry Christmas to all T Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:55 AM, fubog1 via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN The liners distort a lot when torqued down, even 87mm. I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anything on them. Glen BQ_BEGIN Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? BQ_END -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > To: Greg Blake < [ mailto:gblake58tr3 at icloud.com | gblake58tr3 at icloud.com ] > Cc: fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018". Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of machining. I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was always satisfied. Marcel. ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Aan: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51 Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. Thanks Greg. [ http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 | http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 ] Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at veral | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at veral ] _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com ] BQ_END BQ_BEGIN _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Dec 16 13:57:00 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 14:57:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK In-Reply-To: <735573868.167099712.1576528740280.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <38DA89D3-E0F4-4FBE-BE6C-E2FC6FCF028D@aol.com> <1692276380.167094310.1576528660491.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <735573868.167099712.1576528740280.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: I've seen blocks that were faced with a slope to one side. Could have been bad prior machine work or that the factory registered the deck surface to the figure eight's and not the oil pan surface. Bob Kramer On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 2:39 PM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"van mulders marcel" > *Aan: *"Phil Gott" > *Verzonden: *Maandag 16 december 2019 21:37:40 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall > Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK > > That's why the copper gaskets are a bit thicker than the steel ones. > The liners of Darryl are sitting a little bit lower (some 0.006 : probably > not relevant?) and the block can be milled : that is surely an advantage to > get a flat top face and the right protrusion of the liners everywhere. Few > blocks are truly flat and in most cases the protrusion is not even > everywhere. So I do agree that there is a lot to say for the longer liners > that Daryll is selling, not only the 72 ? a set! > Marcel > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"Tony and Annie Garmey" > *Cc: *"fot" , "fubog1" > *Verzonden: *Maandag 16 december 2019 19:33:44 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall > Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK > > Daryl advocates decking the block as well To get proper protrusion. > Eliminating the gasket reduces variation in protrusion due to variable > gasket thicknesses, and also eliminates some of the possible loss of > protrusion due to gasket compression ( more likely with copper than with > steel). > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 16, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > ? > > Regardless of who makes or supplies the liners , with the correct > protrusion, the liner will hourglass . > Only way to correct this is the use of a torque plate and then proceed > with boring and honing to final finish size . > > Yes , a lot of work but you?ll get better ring seal and hopefully not > stick a piston :-) > > Merry Christmas to all > T > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:55 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: > > The liners distort a lot when torqued down, even 87mm. > I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anything > on them. > Glen > > Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal > thickness? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > To: Greg Blake > Cc: fot > Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston > Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK > > The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018". > Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal > thickness? > Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of > machining. > I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was > always satisfied. > Marcel. > > ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- > Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51 > Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston > Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK > > I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used > these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. > > Thanks > Greg. > > > > http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at veral > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(DOT 5) Joe > On December 17, 2019 at 5:51 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > > Hey Friends > > Anyone testify to resilience of this Eastwood paint or Imron paint as far as resistance to brake fluid? > https://www.eastwood.com/promotions/autobody-specials.html?limit=all > > I'm going to clean up my firewall and would like to use something harder than the usual stuff. > > Cheers and Merry Christmas > Brian > > Brian Schirano > #26 Blue/White GT6 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 17 18:37:38 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 01:37:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] brake fluid resistant paint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <507655666.378660.1576633058852@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I can't speak for Imron or the Eastwood paint, but I've used catalyzed urethane like Nason 2k and I've been quite happy with it on the race car and I have spilled DOT 4 fluid on it and the paint did not discolor or peel as long as I wiped it right off. I also flush the surface with lots of water out of an abundance of caution. I would say that I'm pleasantly surprised, but also satisfied. So much so, I'm painting under the hood on the restoration I'm doing now with that Nason 2k urethane. Regards,Bob Lang On Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 7:51:50 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: Hey Friends Anyone testify to resilience?of this Eastwood paint or Imron paint as far as resistance to brake fluid?https://www.eastwood.com/promotions/autobody-specials.html?limit=all I'm going to clean up my firewall and would like to use something harder than the usual stuff.? Cheers and Merry ChristmasBrian Brian Schirano#26 Blue/White GT6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Tue Dec 17 19:57:31 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 21:57:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake fluid resistant paint In-Reply-To: <507655666.378660.1576633058852@mail.yahoo.com> References: <507655666.378660.1576633058852@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <97D67A4D-88BA-4572-9DA7-100966F1107A@aol.com> Funny: Years ago (late ?70s) my crew chief bought a bug eye painted with Imron. He wanted to change the color, but sanding the Imron proved tough going. So we used Castrol LMA brake fluid to slightly soften and roughen up the paint. It took off the gloss and provided a nice surface for bonding the primer. In due time the car was sold, but it was seen again two + decades later with the same paint job... Triumph Signal Red. So maybe Imron won?t resist brake fluid as well as you would like.... Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi, > > I can't speak for Imron or the Eastwood paint, but I've used catalyzed urethane like Nason 2k and I've been quite happy with it on the race car and I have spilled DOT 4 fluid on it and the paint did not discolor or peel as long as I wiped it right off. I also flush the surface with lots of water out of an abundance of caution. I would say that I'm pleasantly surprised, but also satisfied. So much so, I'm painting under the hood on the restoration I'm doing now with that Nason 2k urethane. > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > On Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 7:51:50 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > > > Hey Friends > > Anyone testify to resilience of this Eastwood paint or Imron paint as far as resistance to brake fluid? > https://www.eastwood.com/promotions/autobody-specials.html?limit=all > > I'm going to clean up my firewall and would like to use something harder than the usual stuff. > > Cheers and Merry Christmas > Brian > > Brian Schirano > #26 Blue/White GT6 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Tue Dec 17 19:57:31 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 21:57:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake fluid resistant paint In-Reply-To: <507655666.378660.1576633058852@mail.yahoo.com> References: <507655666.378660.1576633058852@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <97D67A4D-88BA-4572-9DA7-100966F1107A@aol.com> Funny: Years ago (late ?70s) my crew chief bought a bug eye painted with Imron. He wanted to change the color, but sanding the Imron proved tough going. So we used Castrol LMA brake fluid to slightly soften and roughen up the paint. It took off the gloss and provided a nice surface for bonding the primer. In due time the car was sold, but it was seen again two + decades later with the same paint job... Triumph Signal Red. So maybe Imron won?t resist brake fluid as well as you would like.... Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi, > > I can't speak for Imron or the Eastwood paint, but I've used catalyzed urethane like Nason 2k and I've been quite happy with it on the race car and I have spilled DOT 4 fluid on it and the paint did not discolor or peel as long as I wiped it right off. I also flush the surface with lots of water out of an abundance of caution. I would say that I'm pleasantly surprised, but also satisfied. So much so, I'm painting under the hood on the restoration I'm doing now with that Nason 2k urethane. > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > On Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 7:51:50 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > > > Hey Friends > > Anyone testify to resilience of this Eastwood paint or Imron paint as far as resistance to brake fluid? > https://www.eastwood.com/promotions/autobody-specials.html?limit=all > > I'm going to clean up my firewall and would like to use something harder than the usual stuff. > > Cheers and Merry Christmas > Brian > > Brian Schirano > #26 Blue/White GT6 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Dec 17 22:16:25 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 21:16:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] brake fluid resistant paint In-Reply-To: <97D67A4D-88BA-4572-9DA7-100966F1107A@aol.com> References: <97D67A4D-88BA-4572-9DA7-100966F1107A@aol.com> Message-ID: I think boiling points are the issue with DOT5 and racing applications: https://epicbleedsolutions.com/blogs/faq/whats-the-difference-between-dot-4-and-dot-5-1-brake-fluid Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > ?Funny: > Years ago (late ?70s) my crew chief bought a bug eye painted with Imron. He wanted to change the color, but sanding the Imron proved tough going. So we used Castrol LMA brake fluid to slightly soften and roughen up the paint. It took off the gloss and provided a nice surface for bonding the primer. In due time the car was sold, but it was seen again two + decades later with the same paint job... Triumph Signal Red. > So maybe Imron won?t resist brake fluid as well as you would like.... > Phil Gott > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Dec 17, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Hi, >> >> I can't speak for Imron or the Eastwood paint, but I've used catalyzed urethane like Nason 2k and I've been quite happy with it on the race car and I have spilled DOT 4 fluid on it and the paint did not discolor or peel as long as I wiped it right off. I also flush the surface with lots of water out of an abundance of caution. I would say that I'm pleasantly surprised, but also satisfied. So much so, I'm painting under the hood on the restoration I'm doing now with that Nason 2k urethane. >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> On Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 7:51:50 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Hey Friends >> >> Anyone testify to resilience of this Eastwood paint or Imron paint as far as resistance to brake fluid? >> https://www.eastwood.com/promotions/autobody-specials.html?limit=all >> >> I'm going to clean up my firewall and would like to use something harder than the usual stuff. >> >> Cheers and Merry Christmas >> Brian >> >> Brian Schirano >> #26 Blue/White GT6 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Dec 18 03:56:29 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:56:29 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] brake fluid resistant paint In-Reply-To: <1488945635.228300.1576631501317@myemail.cox.net> References: <1488945635.228300.1576631501317@myemail.cox.net> Message-ID: <875610039.177238212.1576666589420.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> There is some confusion about DOT 5 ; DOT 5 and DOT 5.1 are not the same : I believe DOT 5 is the silicone brakefluid : not suitable for racing, not because of the boiling point, but it is very difficult to expell all the air out of the brake lines : it takes a lot of time, it can't be done in one go and that is a problem of course when one needs to bleed the brakes during a race week-end. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Brian Schirano" , "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 18 december 2019 02:11:41 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] brake fluid resistant paint I prefer to use paint resistant brake fluid. (DOT 5) Joe On December 17, 2019 at 5:51 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: Hey Friends Anyone testify to resilience of this Eastwood paint or Imron paint as far as resistance to brake fluid? [ https://www.eastwood.com/promotions/autobody-specials.html?limit=all | https://www.eastwood.com/promotions/autobody-specials.html?limit=all ] I'm going to clean up my firewall and would like to use something harder than the usual stuff. 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URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Wed Dec 18 05:21:19 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 07:21:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK In-Reply-To: References: <38DA89D3-E0F4-4FBE-BE6C-E2FC6FCF028D@aol.com> <1692276380.167094310.1576528660491.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <735573868.167099712.1576528740280.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: I sent an inquiry to Racetorations concerning their no-gasket liners and received the following information from Darryl Uprichard. John, The liners at their interface with the block location holes do not require machining. The block in this area does. Just needs a* very light face* and at the same time ensuring that the liners will fit at a* true 90degrees to the head face.* Liner deck height to block should *ideally be .005".* .003" minimum. .007" maximum. Regards, Darryl. On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 3:57 PM Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > I've seen blocks that were faced with a slope to one side. Could have been > bad prior machine work or that the factory registered the deck surface to > the figure eight's and not the oil pan surface. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 2:39 PM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *Van: *"van mulders marcel" >> *Aan: *"Phil Gott" >> *Verzonden: *Maandag 16 december 2019 21:37:40 >> *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall >> Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK >> >> That's why the copper gaskets are a bit thicker than the steel ones. >> The liners of Darryl are sitting a little bit lower (some 0.006 : >> probably not relevant?) and the block can be milled : that is surely an >> advantage to get a flat top face and the right protrusion of the liners >> everywhere. Few blocks are truly flat and in most cases the protrusion is >> not even everywhere. So I do agree that there is a lot to say for the >> longer liners that Daryll is selling, not only the 72 ? a set! >> Marcel >> ------------------------------ >> *Van: *"fot" >> *Aan: *"Tony and Annie Garmey" >> *Cc: *"fot" , "fubog1" >> *Verzonden: *Maandag 16 december 2019 19:33:44 >> *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall >> Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK >> >> Daryl advocates decking the block as well To get proper protrusion. >> Eliminating the gasket reduces variation in protrusion due to variable >> gasket thicknesses, and also eliminates some of the possible loss of >> protrusion due to gasket compression ( more likely with copper than with >> steel). >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 16, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Regardless of who makes or supplies the liners , with the correct >> protrusion, the liner will hourglass . >> Only way to correct this is the use of a torque plate and then proceed >> with boring and honing to final finish size . >> >> Yes , a lot of work but you?ll get better ring seal and hopefully not >> stick a piston :-) >> >> Merry Christmas to all >> T >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:55 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: >> >> The liners distort a lot when torqued down, even 87mm. >> I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anything >> on them. >> Glen >> >> Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the >> normal thickness? >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot >> To: Greg Blake >> Cc: fot >> Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston >> Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK >> >> The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018". >> Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the >> normal thickness? >> Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of >> machining. >> I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was >> always satisfied. >> Marcel. >> >> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- >> Van: "fot" >> Aan: "fot" >> Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51 >> Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston >> Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK >> >> I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used >> these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. >> >> Thanks >> Greg. >> >> >> >> http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at veral >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lots of stuff going on behind the scenes and I should be able to start sharing in a month or so. You will be glad you came, I can say that much. All of you have a merry Christmas and a wonderful 2020. Get to wrenching! Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Fri Dec 20 16:25:35 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 18:25:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP END OF DECEMBER POST In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 60 Triumphs - How much Speedy Dry did you order? great news, going to be fun mike h On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 6:06 PM marty via Fot wrote: > Things are progressing for next years race. As we sit today we have a > possible starting grid of 60 Triumphs, 7 are UK friends. (you are all > registered, right?) If everybody shows up it should be a pretty darn > amazing weekend. If you are planning on attending and haven't already let > me know please shoot me an email. Lots of stuff going on behind the scenes > and I should be able to start sharing in a month or so. You will be glad > you came, I can say that much. All of you have a merry Christmas and a > wonderful 2020. Get to wrenching! > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Fri Dec 20 16:57:26 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 15:57:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP END OF DECEMBER POST In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1322157321.49852.1576886246310@connect.xfinity.com> Thanks for the update, Marty. That's fantastic news. With at least 60 cars penciled in and 6 months to go, this event will surely be EPIC! You are doing an excellent job. Thank you. Best of this holiday season to all, Dave H. > On December 20, 2019 at 3:05 PM marty via Fot wrote: > > Things are progressing for next years race. As we sit today we have a possible starting grid of 60 Triumphs, 7 are UK friends. (you are all registered, right?) If everybody shows up it should be a pretty darn amazing weekend. If you are planning on attending and haven't already let me know please shoot me an email. Lots of stuff going on behind the scenes and I should be able to start sharing in a month or so. You will be glad you came, I can say that much. All of you have a merry Christmas and a wonderful 2020. Get to wrenching! > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Sat Dec 21 07:05:26 2019 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2019 14:05:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP END OF DECEMBER POST In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1413680697.1421620.1576937126542@mail.yahoo.com> Only 29 Triumphs registered so far. Rick On Friday, December 20, 2019, 06:06:07 PM EST, marty via Fot wrote: #yiv8136431900 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Things are progressing for next years race. As we sit today we have a possible starting grid of 60 Triumphs, 7 are UK friends. (you are all registered, right?) If everybody shows up it should be a pretty darn amazing weekend. If you are planning on attending and haven't already let me know please shoot me an email. Lots of stuff going on behind the scenes and I should be able to start sharing in a month or so. You will be glad you came, I can say that much.? All of you have a merry Christmas and a wonderful 2020. Get to wrenching! Marty Sukey_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Sat Dec 21 07:46:53 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2019 08:46:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP END OF DECEMBER POST In-Reply-To: <1413680697.1421620.1576937126542@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1413680697.1421620.1576937126542@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <81B49E89-9D0E-469D-8508-4D5D084F71FC@gmail.com> I registered yesterday. I figured it was time to get on the list and see if I can get my car number. Almost never happens but the early bird ......... Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 21, 2019, at 8:05 AM, Rick Parent via Fot wrote: > > ? > Only 29 Triumphs registered so far. > > Rick > > On Friday, December 20, 2019, 06:06:07 PM EST, marty via Fot wrote: > > > Things are progressing for next years race. As we sit today we have a possible starting grid of 60 Triumphs, 7 are UK friends. (you are all registered, right?) If everybody shows up it should be a pretty darn amazing weekend. If you are planning on attending and haven't already let me know please shoot me an email. Lots of stuff going on behind the scenes and I should be able to start sharing in a month or so. You will be glad you came, I can say that much. All of you have a merry Christmas and a wonderful 2020. 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URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Dec 21 08:44:42 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2019 15:44:42 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Last Kastner Cup Update For The Year (maybe) Message-ID: Ok, after my post yesterday the expected entries went up to 63. There are only 29 actually registered with SVRA. There are some question regarding registration. I copied the following link from the SVRA event website. Click on the link and fill in the blanks. If you dont have a SVRA log in just go to the bottom of the link and create one. It does not cost anything. https://svra.com/gtb/?lib=client&action=sign_in&redirect=%2Fgtb%2F%3Flib%3Dproduct%26action%3Devent_reg%26event_ID%3D586. I also got the following conformation From Rick Parent cheif tech at SVRA "we always make a way to incorporate different prep level cars on feature weekends, it's good for the fans as well as the competitors, we even make spots for SCCA prepped cars so don't let that stop you from inviting them, should be a great event! as a reminder all cars must be race cars with all the proper safety items up to date, must have fuel cells and all drivers must have competition driving licenses" . So make sure your safety gear is up to date and come on down. Marty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Sat Dec 21 08:52:01 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2019 10:52:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP END OF DECEMBER POST In-Reply-To: <81B49E89-9D0E-469D-8508-4D5D084F71FC@gmail.com> References: <1413680697.1421620.1576937126542@mail.yahoo.com> <81B49E89-9D0E-469D-8508-4D5D084F71FC@gmail.com> Message-ID: I wish SVRA would publish their entry list in real time like other clubs. I like to see who has entered in advance instead of the week of the races. On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 9:47 AM Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > I registered yesterday. I figured it was time to get on the list and see > if I can get my car number. Almost never happens but the early bird > ......... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 21, 2019, at 8:05 AM, Rick Parent via Fot > wrote: > > ? > Only 29 Triumphs registered so far. > > Rick > > On Friday, December 20, 2019, 06:06:07 PM EST, marty via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Things are progressing for next years race. As we sit today we have a > possible starting grid of 60 Triumphs, 7 are UK friends. (you are all > registered, right?) If everybody shows up it should be a pretty darn > amazing weekend. If you are planning on attending and haven't already let > me know please shoot me an email. Lots of stuff going on behind the scenes > and I should be able to start sharing in a month or so. You will be glad > you came, I can say that much. All of you have a merry Christmas and a > wonderful 2020. Get to wrenching! > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Dec 21 11:25:32 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2019 18:25:32 +0000 Subject: [Fot] More Last Kastner Cup Update For The Year In-Reply-To: <042501d5b824$8f5a4950$ae0edbf0$@btinternet.com> References: , <042501d5b824$8f5a4950$ae0edbf0$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: If you have questions about your car eligibility I suggest the first step being taking a look at the rules on the SVRA website. Then contact Rick Parent, chief tech, eligibility guru and all around nice guy for official advice. I have copied him on this email so you will all have his email address. Rick has been very responsive to all questions. I'm under the impression that you will be allowed to run IF your car meets safety requirements. Please feel free to contact Rick early though. Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tarch1961935 at gmail.com Fri Dec 20 19:44:13 2019 From: tarch1961935 at gmail.com (Richard Taylor) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 21:44:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP END OF DECEMBER POST In-Reply-To: <1322157321.49852.1576886246310@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1322157321.49852.1576886246310@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <1D636207-6466-41EC-B4DA-D58188D2A0C7@gmail.com> Marty, Pencil me in. I?ve got a few friends thinking it?s time for me to win the Big One, and they?re helping get old 196 (TR-4) cookin. Of course they want to trailer it to Ohio, but we?ll work that out. This is pretty exciting stuff! Richard L.Taylor, Jr., FAIA > On Dec 20, 2019, at 6:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > Thanks for the update, Marty. That's fantastic news. With at least 60 cars penciled in and 6 months to go, this event will surely be EPIC! You are doing an excellent job. Thank you. > Best of this holiday season to all, > Dave H. >> On December 20, 2019 at 3:05 PM marty via Fot wrote: >> >> Things are progressing for next years race. As we sit today we have a possible starting grid of 60 Triumphs, 7 are UK friends. (you are all registered, right?) If everybody shows up it should be a pretty darn amazing weekend. If you are planning on attending and haven't already let me know please shoot me an email. Lots of stuff going on behind the scenes and I should be able to start sharing in a month or so. You will be glad you came, I can say that much. All of you have a merry Christmas and a wonderful 2020. Get to wrenching! >> >> Marty Sukey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kknight at klaenv.com Sun Dec 22 10:47:04 2019 From: kknight at klaenv.com (Kenneth Knight) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 09:47:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs Message-ID: <001101d5b8ef$d2a438d0$77ecaa70$@klaenv.com> Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas to All; CBS Sports Network has been running the SCCA runoffs from VIR. Check your service for the times as it looks like they are running them as filler for the Holidays. Cheers, Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sun Dec 22 11:39:29 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 18:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs References: <123096228.2565060.1577039969605.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <123096228.2565060.1577039969605@mail.yahoo.com> GOOD STUFF. ?Thanks. Have you ever raced there? Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Sunday, December 22, 2019,?Kenneth Knight via Fot??wrote: Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas to All; ? CBS Sports Network has been running the SCCA runoffs from VIR.? Check your service for the times as it looks like they are running them as filler for the Holidays. ? Cheers, Ken _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Check your > service for the times as it looks like they are running them as filler for > the Holidays. > > > > Cheers, Ken > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alanb at alanberrydesign.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Dec 22 16:21:45 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 23:21:45 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Steve Adams Nomination Message-ID: I would like to nominate Steve Adams to our group of nut jobs. Steve is a Spitfire racer from the UK and is planning on shipping his car over to run the Kastner Cup in June. His email is steveadams55 at sky.com. Can I get a second? 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Marty_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Dec 22 17:39:32 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 19:39:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Steve Adams Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FCE1869-7C8F-4482-9BB5-2B167C8A50A8@aol.com> Second! Such dedication! Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 22, 2019, at 6:22 PM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > I would like to nominate Steve Adams to our group of nut jobs. Steve is a Spitfire racer from the UK and is planning on shipping his car over to run the Kastner Cup in June. His email is steveadams55 at sky.com. Can I get a second? > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Dec 22 17:39:32 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 19:39:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Steve Adams Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FCE1869-7C8F-4482-9BB5-2B167C8A50A8@aol.com> Second! Such dedication! Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 22, 2019, at 6:22 PM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > I would like to nominate Steve Adams to our group of nut jobs. Steve is a Spitfire racer from the UK and is planning on shipping his car over to run the Kastner Cup in June. His email is steveadams55 at sky.com. Can I get a second? > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brakey6666 at gmail.com Mon Dec 23 20:05:01 2019 From: brakey6666 at gmail.com (Glenn Franco) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 22:05:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing Message-ID: Merry Christmas Quick Question A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor. I've seen this done by spinning the transmission INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive? Thanks in advance Glenn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Tue Dec 24 06:13:16 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 14:13:16 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Steve Adams Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1420432845.217798843.1577193196069.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Second for sure. I've met Steve a couple of times at the Spa Francorchamps circuit. A great character and pleasant company. At that time he was racing a TR4. Some years ago I sold him a brand new stroker crankshaft for his TR4 racer : billet steel and 94mm stroke! The TrCompetition championship does not allow non standard stroke. I asked it after the crankshaft was ready. I wonder what happened with that crankshaft, I believe Steve didn't use it either. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" , "Steve Adams" Verzonden: Maandag 23 december 2019 00:21:45 Onderwerp: [Fot] Steve Adams Nomination I would like to nominate Steve Adams to our group of nut jobs. Steve is a Spitfire racer from the UK and is planning on shipping his car over to run the Kastner Cup in June. His email is steveadams55 at sky.com . Can I get a second? Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jack On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: Merry ChristmasQuick QuestionA friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor.I've seen this done by spinning the transmission?INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear.Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive?Thanks in advanceGlenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Tue Dec 24 09:51:30 2019 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 16:51:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <1291346054.3797440.1577204728676@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1291346054.3797440.1577204728676@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. ?(Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. ? I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? ?Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! Thanks,Dave Gott 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I have tested overdrives like this for years.? My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed.? Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. Jack On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: Merry ChristmasQuick QuestionA friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor.I've seen this done by spinning the transmission?INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear.Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive?Thanks in advanceGlenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Tue Dec 24 10:47:38 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 11:47:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. (Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. > > Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? > > Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! > > Thanks, > Dave Gott > 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > I have tested overdrives like this for years. My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed. Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. > > Jack > > On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: > > > Merry Christmas > Quick Question > A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor. > I've seen this done by spinning the transmission INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. > Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive? > Thanks in advance > Glenn > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Tue Dec 24 11:49:53 2019 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 18:49:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? ? Probably my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... ? I was thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised now that I bring up that question. ? Has anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? Dave G Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake wrote: If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi.? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ?I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. ?(Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. ? I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? ?Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! Thanks,Dave Gott 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I have tested overdrives like this for years.? My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed.? Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. Jack On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: Merry ChristmasQuick QuestionA friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor.I've seen this done by spinning the transmission?INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear.Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive?Thanks in advanceGlenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Dec 24 12:01:44 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 13:01:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5b8e3c7e-6cd4-566f-7838-364172f78cb5@tonydrews.com> I didn't spin but I did lock up one rear wheel with a Detroit Locker diff.? Large bang, it didn't like that.? Detroit Locker was OK, but the one way clutch / roller arrangement in the OD broke into multiple pieces.? What's funny is that it still worked perfectly.? I had some debris fall out later when I changed the tranny oil so I took the OD apart and the inner part of the one way roller assembly came out in 3 or 4 pieces. Cheers, Tony On 12/24/2019 12:49 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens > if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? ? Probably my biggest > concern for running one of these in a race car... ? I was thinking I?d > use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised > now that I bring up that question. ? Has anyone ever spun and rolled > backwards, with OD engaged? > > Dave G > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake > wrote: > > If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the > accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric >> drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. >> ?(Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th >> gear. ? I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 >> psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. >> >> Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not >> have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m >> assuming this might be an issue? ?Or would a load coax the OD to >> releasing as appropriate? >> >> Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! >> >> Thanks, >> Dave Gott >> 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot >> wrote: >> >> I have tested overdrives like this for years.? My drive motor >> only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output >> shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be >> spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed. >> Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in >> the wrong direction. >> >> Jack >> >> On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco >> via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Merry Christmas >> Quick Question >> A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by >> back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a >> pulley and electric motor. >> I've seen this done by spinning the transmission?INPUT shaft >> with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. >> Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning >> clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it >> lock up the overdrive? >> Thanks in advance >> Glenn >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Tue Dec 24 12:18:36 2019 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 19:18:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com>, <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yep...brake & clutch to the floor... also can be wired to disengage ... ask Steve Yott... Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 1:50 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ? Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? Probably my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... I was thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised now that I bring up that question. Has anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? Dave G Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake wrote: If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. (Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! Thanks, Dave Gott 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I have tested overdrives like this for years. My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed. Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. Jack On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: Merry Christmas Quick Question A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor. I've seen this done by spinning the transmission INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive? Thanks in advance Glenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 24 13:48:37 2019 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 20:48:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <5b8e3c7e-6cd4-566f-7838-364172f78cb5@tonydrews.com> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> <5b8e3c7e-6cd4-566f-7838-364172f78cb5@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <122714626.3882401.1577220517950@mail.yahoo.com> I always said those things were stout.? Raced one for 25 years without a failure. Jack On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 2:21:33 PM EST, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: I didn't spin but I did lock up one rear wheel with a Detroit Locker diff.? Large bang, it didn't like that.? Detroit Locker was OK, but the one way clutch / roller arrangement in the OD broke into multiple pieces.? What's funny is that it still worked perfectly.? I had some debris fall out later when I changed the tranny oil so I took the OD apart and the inner part of the one way roller assembly came out in 3 or 4 pieces. Cheers, Tony On 12/24/2019 12:49 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? ? Probably my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... ? I was thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised now that I bring up that question. ? Has anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? Dave G Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake wrote: If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi.? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. ?(Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. ? I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? ?Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! Thanks, Dave Gott 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I have tested overdrives like this for years.? My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed.? Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. Jack On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: Merry Christmas Quick Question A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor. I've seen this done by spinning the transmission?INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive? Thanks in advance Glenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Tue Dec 24 17:00:23 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 18:00:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. Always go two feet in. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 24, 2019, at 12:50 PM, David Gott wrote: > > ? Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? Probably my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... I was thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised now that I bring up that question. Has anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? > > Dave G > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake wrote: > > If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. (Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. >> >> Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? >> >> Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! >> >> Thanks, >> Dave Gott >> 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >> >> I have tested overdrives like this for years. My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed. Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. >> >> Jack >> >> On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Merry Christmas >> Quick Question >> A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor. >> I've seen this done by spinning the transmission INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. >> Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive? >> Thanks in advance >> Glenn >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Dec 24 17:07:16 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 19:07:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. Merry Christmas. Bill On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few > situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not > following this advice and they always come rolling across the track > backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few > unsuspecting racers along the way. ?Always go two feet in. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 24, 2019, at 12:50 PM, David Gott wrote: >> >> ? Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what >> happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? Probably my >> biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... ? I was >> thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is >> ill advised now that I bring up that question. ? Has anyone ever spun >> and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? >> >> Dave G >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake >> wrote: >> >> If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the >> accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric >>> drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. >>> ?(Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used >>> 4th gear. ? I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at >>> 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. >>> >>> Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not >>> have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m >>> assuming this might be an issue? ?Or would a load coax the OD to >>> releasing as appropriate? >>> >>> Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Dave Gott >>> 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot >>> wrote: >>> >>> I have tested overdrives like this for years.? My drive >>> motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the >>> output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft >>> would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward >>> speed.? Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you >>> spun it in the wrong direction. >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco >>> via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> Merry Christmas >>> Quick Question >>> A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by >>> back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a >>> pulley and electric motor. >>> I've seen this done by spinning the transmission?INPUT shaft >>> with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. >>> Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning >>> clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it >>> lock up the overdrive? >>> Thanks in advance >>> Glenn >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >> >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >> >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>> >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 24 19:03:58 2019 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 02:03:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1747094032.3953662.1577239438052@mail.yahoo.com> I can attest to that.? Just under the bridge at Road Atlanta (Runoffs 1993) a Porsche 914 spun in front of me, then came whipping across the track backwards, right in front of me.? At least 5 cars involved, and they red flagged the race.? I went both feet in and the overdrive was about the only piece of my car that remained in tact after that!? There are some videos around.? Ouch!! Jack On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 7:00:26 PM EST, Greg Blake wrote: Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. ?Always go two feet in.? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 12:50 PM, David Gott wrote: ?Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? ? Probably my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... ? I was thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised now that I bring up that question. ? Has anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? Dave G Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake wrote: If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi.? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ?I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. ?(Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. ? I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? ?Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! Thanks,Dave Gott 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I have tested overdrives like this for years.? My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed.? Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. Jack On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: Merry ChristmasQuick QuestionA friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor.I've seen this done by spinning the transmission?INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear.Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive?Thanks in advanceGlenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Dec 25 07:05:54 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 08:05:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Two feet in has its advantages https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > ? > Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. > > Merry Christmas. > > Bill > > On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. Always go two feet in. >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Wed Dec 25 10:13:25 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 11:13:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24613D88-5BD1-42E7-9B81-1795F758DAA9@icloud.com> One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c The MGB behind me was not so fortunate Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > ? > > Two feet in has its advantages > > https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. >> >> Merry Christmas. >> >> Bill >> >> On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>> Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. Always go two feet in. >>> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Wed Dec 25 11:41:45 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 13:41:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <24613D88-5BD1-42E7-9B81-1795F758DAA9@icloud.com> References: <24613D88-5BD1-42E7-9B81-1795F758DAA9@icloud.com> Message-ID: You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like " If you spin, they're towing you in" mike h On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. > > https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c > > The MGB behind me was not so fortunate > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot > wrote: > > ? > > Two feet in has its advantages > > https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot > wrote: > > ? > > Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet > down. > > Merry Christmas. > > Bill > On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations > where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice > and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an > unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the > way. Always go two feet in. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 25 11:50:03 2019 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 10:50:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3928918C-E694-49B3-AF69-4E80D2D76CE6@yahoo.com> Back when the ?blue bush? was installed, many of us no longer raced there... originally the fence was literally at the edge of the track surface all the way around the track. It was like racin in a blue alley...drop a wheel and total your car as it pinballed across the track. Never raced there again Nick I?m NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Dec 25, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > ? > You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like > " If you spin, they're towing you in" > > mike h > >> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. >> >> https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c >> >> The MGB behind me was not so fortunate >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> >>> Two feet in has its advantages >>> >>> https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. >>>> >>>> Merry Christmas. >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>>>> Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. Always go two feet in. >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 25 11:50:03 2019 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 10:50:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3928918C-E694-49B3-AF69-4E80D2D76CE6@yahoo.com> Back when the ?blue bush? was installed, many of us no longer raced there... originally the fence was literally at the edge of the track surface all the way around the track. It was like racin in a blue alley...drop a wheel and total your car as it pinballed across the track. Never raced there again Nick I?m NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Dec 25, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > ? > You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like > " If you spin, they're towing you in" > > mike h > >> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. >> >> https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c >> >> The MGB behind me was not so fortunate >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> >>> Two feet in has its advantages >>> >>> https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. >>>> >>>> Merry Christmas. >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>>>> Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. 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URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed Dec 25 12:13:05 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 19:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing References: <102172160.3529099.1577301185896.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <102172160.3529099.1577301185896@mail.yahoo.com> Mike... Great point.? Many years ago when I first started Vintage Racing, the tracks were 'forgiving'.? If you made a mistake, you spun off mowing the lawn or creating a dust cloud.? The only penalty was embarrassment.? I'll never forget then one first spring event I showed up for at Road America and it was like I was in a street race, surrounded by Century Link Fencing. I was told that as far as Road America was concerned CART had demanded it.? CART was afraid one of their cars would leap the cement barriers/snow fencing and crash into the crowd. ? No question that was a potential issue.? The change was a good idea...but drivers like me (prone to make errors) missed those 'forgiving' tracks. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Mike Harmuth via Fot To: Greg Blake Cc: FoTTriumph Sent: Wed, Dec 25, 2019 10:42 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like" If you spin, they're towing you in" mike h On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in.? https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c The MGB behind me was not so fortunate? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: ? Two feet in has its advantages? https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: ? Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. Merry Christmas. Bill On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way.? Always go two feet in.? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Wed Dec 25 12:31:00 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 12:31:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <102172160.3529099.1577301185896@mail.yahoo.com> References: <102172160.3529099.1577301185896.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <102172160.3529099.1577301185896@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <08200083-92d2-20e2-4cfc-78d2008faf3b@bradakis.com> What struck me the most about the video was the background. There is none.? I live in Salt Lake City. mjb. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: download (1).jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 14706 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Dec 25 12:39:17 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 20:39:17 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <3928918C-E694-49B3-AF69-4E80D2D76CE6@yahoo.com> References: <3928918C-E694-49B3-AF69-4E80D2D76CE6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001e01d5bb5a$ff35bbe0$fda133a0$@gmail.com> When I broke the front axle and blocked the left front wheel from that, I felt lucky that I made the car going round the corner to the front straight. Wouldn?t made me happy to touch any guard rails. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Nick Black via Fot Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Dezember 2019 19:50 An: Mike Harmuth Cc: FoTTriumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing Back when the ?blue bush? was installed, many of us no longer raced there... originally the fence was literally at the edge of the track surface all the way around the track. It was like racin in a blue alley...drop a wheel and total your car as it pinballed across the track. Never raced there again Nick I?m NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal On Dec 25, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: ? You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like " If you spin, they're towing you in" mike h On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c The MGB behind me was not so fortunate Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot > wrote: ? Two feet in has its advantages https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot > wrote: ? Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. Merry Christmas. Bill On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. Always go two feet in. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Dec 25 13:07:19 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 15:07:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <001e01d5bb5a$ff35bbe0$fda133a0$@gmail.com> References: <3928918C-E694-49B3-AF69-4E80D2D76CE6@yahoo.com> <001e01d5bb5a$ff35bbe0$fda133a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I had a front row seat to that event. Great job Chris but a disappointment for us all when you went out. JVV From: Chris Marx via Fot Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 2:39 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing When I broke the front axle and blocked the left front wheel from that, I felt lucky that I made the car going round the corner to the front straight. Wouldn?t made me happy to touch any guard rails. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Nick Black via Fot Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Dezember 2019 19:50 An: Mike Harmuth Cc: FoTTriumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing Back when the ?blue bush? was installed, many of us no longer raced there... originally the fence was literally at the edge of the track surface all the way around the track. It was like racin in a blue alley...drop a wheel and total your car as it pinballed across the track. Never raced there again Nick I?m NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal On Dec 25, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: ? You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like " If you spin, they're towing you in" mike h On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c The MGB behind me was not so fortunate Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: ? Two feet in has its advantages https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: ? Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. Merry Christmas. Bill On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. Always go two feet in. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Dec 25 13:39:25 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 21:39:25 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: <3928918C-E694-49B3-AF69-4E80D2D76CE6@yahoo.com> <001e01d5bb5a$ff35bbe0$fda133a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002501d5bb63$6626e880$3274b980$@gmail.com> Thank you Jerry. I?m also happy that I could move the car out of the way not to disturb the race too much. Was great watching you all. Cheers Chris Von: Jerry Van Vlack Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Dezember 2019 21:07 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox. team. net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing I had a front row seat to that event. Great job Chris but a disappointment for us all when you went out. JVV From: Chris Marx via Fot Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 2:39 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing When I broke the front axle and blocked the left front wheel from that, I felt lucky that I made the car going round the corner to the front straight. Wouldn?t made me happy to touch any guard rails. Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von Nick Black via Fot Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Dezember 2019 19:50 An: Mike Harmuth > Cc: FoTTriumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing Back when the ?blue bush? was installed, many of us no longer raced there... originally the fence was literally at the edge of the track surface all the way around the track. It was like racin in a blue alley...drop a wheel and total your car as it pinballed across the track. Never raced there again Nick I?m NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal On Dec 25, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: ? You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like " If you spin, they're towing you in" mike h On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c The MGB behind me was not so fortunate Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot > wrote: ? Two feet in has its advantages https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot > wrote: ? Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. Merry Christmas. Bill On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. Always go two feet in. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com _____ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Dec 25 14:25:09 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 13:25:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <24613D88-5BD1-42E7-9B81-1795F758DAA9@icloud.com> References: <24613D88-5BD1-42E7-9B81-1795F758DAA9@icloud.com> Message-ID: <843895922.85916.1577309110216@connect.xfinity.com> This is my first and only spin so far. I was very lucky this time. I did not go two in. As the car starts to rotate, I look to my left and, oh shit, Walt was coming close to my door, so I stabbed the throttle to keep the car rotating out of the way. You can hear a woo hoo from me after coming to a stop. Dave H. https://youtu.be/hxKBDyA_cEU > On December 25, 2019 at 9:13 AM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. > > https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c > > The MGB behind me was not so fortunate > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Two feet in has its advantages > > > > https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. > > > > > > Merry Christmas. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. Always go two feet in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Dec 25 18:57:29 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 01:57:29 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Brake and Clutch to the floor. In-Reply-To: References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com>, <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: If you go to the 6:47 point in this video you can see John showing off the brake and clutch to the floor technique. ? https://youtu.be/uyZNmn-5SpA Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of John H. Hasty via Fot Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 2:18 PM To: David Gott Cc: FOT List ; Glenn Franco Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing Yep...brake & clutch to the floor... also can be wired to disengage ... ask Steve Yott... Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 1:50 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ? Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? Probably my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... I was thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised now that I bring up that question. Has anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? Dave G Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake wrote: If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. (Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! Thanks, Dave Gott 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I have tested overdrives like this for years. My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed. Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. Jack On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: Merry Christmas Quick Question A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor. I've seen this done by spinning the transmission INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive? Thanks in advance Glenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Dec 25 22:38:51 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 23:38:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brake and Clutch to the floor. In-Reply-To: References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8c73d889-b88f-8fe9-225c-8dea0e448c70@tonydrews.com> Another two feet in video - skip to about 2:45.? This has nothing to do with the original Overdrive question, but shows how hard braking keeps the car from going in unpredictable directions... Took me a mental second to realize I wasn't going to catch this one, seems like much less than a second watching the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFQUYNxwIMI Cheers, Tony On 12/25/2019 7:57 PM, marty via Fot wrote: > If you go to the 6:47 point in this video you can see John showing off > the brake and clutch to the floor technique. ? > > https://youtu.be/uyZNmn-5SpA > > > Marty > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of John H. Hasty > via Fot > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 24, 2019 2:18 PM > *To:* David Gott > *Cc:* FOT List ; Glenn Franco > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing > Yep...brake & clutch to the floor... also can be wired to disengage > ... ask Steve Yott... > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 24, 2019, at 1:50 PM, David Gott via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what >> happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? ? Probably my >> biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... ? I was >> thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is >> ill advised now that I bring up that question. ? Has anyone ever spun >> and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? >> >> Dave G >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake >> wrote: >> >> If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the >> accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric >>> drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. >>> ?(Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used >>> 4th gear. ? I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at >>> 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. >>> >>> Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not >>> have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m >>> assuming this might be an issue? ?Or would a load coax the OD to >>> releasing as appropriate? >>> >>> Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Dave Gott >>> 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot >>> wrote: >>> >>> I have tested overdrives like this for years. My drive motor >>> only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output >>> shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be >>> spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed.? >>> Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in >>> the wrong direction. >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco >>> via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> Merry Christmas >>> Quick Question >>> A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by >>> back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a >>> pulley and electric motor. >>> I've seen this done by spinning the transmission?INPUT shaft >>> with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. >>> Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning >>> clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it >>> lock up the overdrive? >>> Thanks in advance >>> Glenn >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >> >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >> >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Dec 26 02:12:12 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 10:12:12 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Brake and Clutch to the floor. In-Reply-To: <8c73d889-b88f-8fe9-225c-8dea0e448c70@tonydrews.com> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> <8c73d889-b88f-8fe9-225c-8dea0e448c70@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <001801d5bbcc$8fb84b80$af28e280$@gmail.com> You did well Tony. I really don?t understand why people don?t lock their wheels when they spin. If the wheels are rolling on a spin the car is doing funny things and nobody can predict where the car will be in a second. With locked wheels the car is sliding in direction of inertia. See how the F1 drivers do it. They lock the wheels and wait for the car to STAND STILL before they release the brakes. Most of the worst accidents happen with spinning cars getting T-boned. The cause for this is no locked wheels until stand still. I don?t have good examples of myself as I spin rarely but maybe this one: Cold Tires. What I?m doing: I was at slow speed with no grip on the back end caused by very low temperatures (36F) at the morning. The back end stepped out and I slammed on the brakes. I saw the front heading for the tire wall. I found it too expensive to crash the front end so still full on the brakes I released the clutch and gave a sever dip on the throttle with the heal to turn the car against the direction I was coming. Brakes still on full lock until the car stood still. The situation was to a degree under control. Happily the car was parallel to the wall and didn?t touch by about 10? distance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRbIEeOSw4Y Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Tony Drews via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. Dezember 2019 06:39 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Brake and Clutch to the floor. Another two feet in video - skip to about 2:45. This has nothing to do with the original Overdrive question, but shows how hard braking keeps the car from going in unpredictable directions... Took me a mental second to realize I wasn't going to catch this one, seems like much less than a second watching the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFQUYNxwIMI Cheers, Tony On 12/25/2019 7:57 PM, marty via Fot wrote: If you go to the 6:47 point in this video you can see John showing off the brake and clutch to the floor technique. ? https://youtu.be/uyZNmn-5SpA Marty _____ From: Fot on behalf of John H. Hasty via Fot Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 2:18 PM To: David Gott Cc: FOT List ; Glenn Franco Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing Yep...brake & clutch to the floor... also can be wired to disengage ... ask Steve Yott... Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 1:50 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ? Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? Probably my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... I was thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised now that I bring up that question. Has anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? Dave G Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake wrote: If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. (Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! Thanks, Dave Gott 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I have tested overdrives like this for years. My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed. Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. Jack On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: Merry Christmas Quick Question A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor. I've seen this done by spinning the transmission INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive? Thanks in advance Glenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Dec 26 02:26:09 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 10:26:09 +0100 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001f01d5bbce$827d1430$87773c90$@gmail.com> Hi Dave, The OD can turn backwards, if one of the OD cone clutches are engaged. If the OD is in transfer stage between the cone clutches so that the roller clutch is engaged, then the OD explodes when turning backwards. BUT if on a spin the wheels are locked, the OD is never in danger to turn backwards because the wheels need to be locked until stand still. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von David Gott via Fot Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Dezember 2019 19:50 An: Greg Blake Cc: FOT List ; Glenn Franco Betreff: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? Probably my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... I was thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised now that I bring up that question. Has anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? Dave G -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Thu Dec 26 05:56:26 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 06:56:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <102172160.3529099.1577301185896@mail.yahoo.com> References: <102172160.3529099.1577301185896.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <102172160.3529099.1577301185896@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Wasn't there fence ripping accident on the back straight at RA? I think that that was the Katherine Legge. Bob Kramer On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 1:13 PM Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Mike... > > Great point. Many years ago when I first started Vintage Racing, the > tracks were 'forgiving'. If you made a mistake, you spun off mowing the > lawn or creating a dust cloud. The only penalty was embarrassment. I'll > never forget then one first spring event I showed up for at Road America > and it was like I was in a street race, surrounded by Century Link Fencing. > > I was told that as far as Road America was concerned CART had demanded > it. CART was afraid one of their cars would leap the cement barriers/snow > fencing and crash into the crowd. > > No question that was a potential issue. The change was a good idea...but > drivers like me (prone to make errors) missed those 'forgiving' tracks. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Harmuth via Fot > To: Greg Blake > Cc: FoTTriumph > Sent: Wed, Dec 25, 2019 10:42 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing > > You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid > stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the > track, it's more like > " If you spin, they're towing you in" > > mike h > > On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > > One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. > > https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c > > The MGB behind me was not so fortunate > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot > wrote: > > ? > > Two feet in has its advantages > > https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot > wrote: > > ? > Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet > down. > Merry Christmas. > Bill > On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations > where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice > and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an > unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the > way. Always go two feet in. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Dec 26 06:32:24 2019 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 05:32:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <5b8e3c7e-6cd4-566f-7838-364172f78cb5@tonydrews.com> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> <5b8e3c7e-6cd4-566f-7838-364172f78cb5@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <8793FE736F82434496C0F4476F1F1348@RYPC> > I didn't spin but I did lock up one rear wheel with a Detroit > Locker diff. Large bang, it didn't like that. Detroit > Locker was OK, but the one way clutch / roller arrangement in > the OD broke into multiple pieces. What's funny is that it > still worked perfectly. Just a thought: Has anyone tried just leaving out the rollers in the sprag clutch? Might need stiffer direct drive springs, and skip the burnouts, but direct drive in 1st gear seems like the only time the sprag clutch is really needed; once you've built hydraulic pressure. -- Randall From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Thu Dec 26 10:04:48 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 18:04:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <8793FE736F82434496C0F4476F1F1348@RYPC> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> <5b8e3c7e-6cd4-566f-7838-364172f78cb5@tonydrews.com> <8793FE736F82434496C0F4476F1F1348@RYPC> Message-ID: <364169060.230607331.1577379888718.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> I think the unidirectional clutch (roller bearing) is there in the first place to keep the drive going while engaging the overdrive. Without this arrangement, the revs would go up every time the overdrive is engaged, while the cone clutch is moving (unless you keep your foot off the accelerator pedal when engaging the overdrive). PS : when the cone clutch has gone, the unidirectional clutch has to bear the whole driving force : it doesn't last long when this happens. Marcel ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Donderdag 26 december 2019 14:32:24 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing > I didn't spin but I did lock up one rear wheel with a Detroit > Locker diff. Large bang, it didn't like that. Detroit > Locker was OK, but the one way clutch / roller arrangement in > the OD broke into multiple pieces. What's funny is that it > still worked perfectly. Just a thought: Has anyone tried just leaving out the rollers in the sprag clutch? Might need stiffer direct drive springs, and skip the burnouts, but direct drive in 1st gear seems like the only time the sprag clutch is really needed; once you've built hydraulic pressure. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be From billdentin at aol.com Thu Dec 26 10:35:31 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 17:35:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: <102172160.3529099.1577301185896.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <102172160.3529099.1577301185896@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <164345110.3813696.1577381731269@mail.yahoo.com> Yes, and if I recall I sure didn't expect her to walk away from that one...but she did. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer To: Bill Dentinger Cc: Mike Harmuth ; Greg Blake ; Fot Sent: Thu, Dec 26, 2019 4:56 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing Wasn't there fence ripping accident on the back straight at RA? I think that that was the Katherine Legge. Bob Kramer On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 1:13 PM Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: Mike... Great point.? Many years ago when I first started Vintage Racing, the tracks were 'forgiving'.? If you made a mistake, you spun off mowing the lawn or creating a dust cloud.? The only penalty was embarrassment.? I'll never forget then one first spring event I showed up for at Road America and it was like I was in a street race, surrounded by Century Link Fencing. I was told that as far as Road America was concerned CART had demanded it.? CART was afraid one of their cars would leap the cement barriers/snow fencing and crash into the crowd. ? No question that was a potential issue.? The change was a good idea...but drivers like me (prone to make errors) missed those 'forgiving' tracks. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Mike Harmuth via Fot To: Greg Blake Cc: FoTTriumph Sent: Wed, Dec 25, 2019 10:42 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like" If you spin, they're towing you in" mike h On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in.? https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c The MGB behind me was not so fortunate? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: ? Two feet in has its advantages? https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: ? Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. Merry Christmas. Bill On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way.? Always go two feet in.? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertdalziel at comcast.net Thu Dec 26 10:47:35 2019 From: robertdalziel at comcast.net (Scottie Dalziel) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 12:47:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <164345110.3813696.1577381731269@mail.yahoo.com> References: <164345110.3813696.1577381731269@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2770CB5C-1B66-4D77-B428-6F7E2EF5B120@comcast.net> Aye Legge had a big one there But a few decades earlier, long before that fencing was installed Teo Fabi And a huge off near there in the can Am qualifying . He left his machine up in the trees ? minus wheels . He climbed out of that one . I asked him about that . Years latter ,when working the Detroit G P. He thought a wee bit then a big grin came over his face and he offered in his soft Italian accent .? yea that was a big one ? It?s good when we can laugh at this stuff Awrabest Scottie Yep the kink had a big pucker factor > On Dec 26, 2019, at 12:35 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > ? > Yes, and if I recall I sure didn't expect her to walk away from that one...but she did. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer > To: Bill Dentinger > Cc: Mike Harmuth ; Greg Blake ; Fot > Sent: Thu, Dec 26, 2019 4:56 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing > > Wasn't there fence ripping accident on the back straight at RA? I think that that was the Katherine Legge. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 1:13 PM Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Mike... > > Great point. Many years ago when I first started Vintage Racing, the tracks were 'forgiving'. If you made a mistake, you spun off mowing the lawn or creating a dust cloud. The only penalty was embarrassment. I'll never forget then one first spring event I showed up for at Road America and it was like I was in a street race, surrounded by Century Link Fencing. > > I was told that as far as Road America was concerned CART had demanded it. CART was afraid one of their cars would leap the cement barriers/snow fencing and crash into the crowd. > > No question that was a potential issue. The change was a good idea...but drivers like me (prone to make errors) missed those 'forgiving' tracks. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Harmuth via Fot > To: Greg Blake > Cc: FoTTriumph > Sent: Wed, Dec 25, 2019 10:42 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing > > You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like > " If you spin, they're towing you in" > > mike h > >> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. >> >> https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c >> >> The MGB behind me was not so fortunate >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Two feet in has its advantages >> >> https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. >>> Merry Christmas. >>> Bill >>> On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>>> Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. 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The overdrive appears to be engaged and it appears that the pressure will not drop. The pressure relief at the pump was removed and the accumulator was loosened to relieve the pressure. Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to be locked up and will not spin. Any ideas?? Thanks in advance Glenn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Dec 26 18:33:20 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 19:33:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Daytona Class Winner. To be seen at Kastner Cup 2020 Message-ID: <98471378-9D71-476A-B699-C4B5DD7D8672@gmail.com> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 5:34 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alanb at alanberrydesign.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Dec 26 19:33:13 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 20:33:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Daytona Class Winner. To be seen at Kastner Cup 2020 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7E37BA9E-34EA-4F29-AB97-6D0095982036@gmail.com> It was run at Daytona with the top in place, I believe. Alan, are you registered yet? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Dec 26, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Alan Berry wrote: > > ? > How cool is a white TR4 racer with a white convertible top up? > >> On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 5:34 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alanb at alanberrydesign.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanb at alanberrydesign.com Thu Dec 26 20:44:17 2019 From: alanb at alanberrydesign.com (Alan Berry) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 19:44:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Daytona Class Winner. To be seen at Kastner Cup 2020 In-Reply-To: <7E37BA9E-34EA-4F29-AB97-6D0095982036@gmail.com> References: <7E37BA9E-34EA-4F29-AB97-6D0095982036@gmail.com> Message-ID: I haven't registered for the K Cup, Joe because I am fixing up Irv's old (RED) TR4 to sell. I have decided owning a race car is not for me. I have 10 thumbs when I try working on it myself, even with expert guidance from Kas himself. I will sell the car and trailer and rent an 1147 Spit from Joe Siam for most of the VARA races going forward. The TR is dialed in with brand new Webers and just 100% rewired. I am putting on a new head so it will be bulletproof now (well, actually no guarantees with a race car) so will be great in 2020. This was a nice car when I bought it 3 years ago with documented history and log books going back to 1972. I showed it's potential when it hung with Tony Drews in Buttonwillow last summer..... until the driver ran out of talent. With a decent driver it will finish very well at the 2020 Kastner Cup. If anyone is interested I will make an incredible deal on the car and an option on a nice enclosed trailer to any serious FoT member. Call or text me at 858 442-9098 and I will be happy to discuss or send photos, info on this exceptional car. Email is alanb at alanberrydesign.com. Wherever a buyer is located I will be happy to meet them halfway from my SoCal location gratis if they want the complete car/trailer spares combo to save shipping costs. Spares include two additional sets of wheels/tires with fresh rain tires with 4 laps on them. I will not sell this pretty car to anyone but a serious racer. Former owner Irv Korey will kick my ass if I sell it to a goofball. It's not about the money to me. I will make a great deal to the right driver. I hope to be a spectator at the history making 2020 Kastner Cup to see this car run up front! Sorry for the shameless plug Joe. See you in 2020. Alan #41 TR4A On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 6:33 PM Joe Alexander wrote: > It was run at Daytona with the top in place, I believe. > > Alan, are you registered yet? > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > On Dec 26, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Alan Berry wrote: > > ? > How cool is a white TR4 racer with a white convertible top up? > > On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 5:34 PM Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alanb at alanberrydesign.com >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com Thu Dec 26 21:49:55 2019 From: jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com (Jonathan Wright) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 20:49:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Daytona Class Winner. To be seen at Kastner Cup 2020 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alan, So you are Joes new rental customer! Here I was thinking I was gonna have a chance next season with my 1147 spitfire, but if you are stepping down into FP my odds don?t sound as good anymore lol. It?ll be fun to have some more competition in FP, hopefully I?ll learn some things from you! Cheers Jonathan Wright, #93 FP Spitfire Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 26, 2019, at 7:44 PM, Alan Berry via Fot wrote: > > ? > I haven't registered for the K Cup, Joe because I am fixing up Irv's old (RED) TR4 to sell. I have decided owning a race car is not for me. I have 10 thumbs when I try working on it myself, even with expert guidance from Kas himself. I will sell the car and trailer and rent an 1147 Spit from Joe Siam for most of the VARA races going forward. The TR is dialed in with brand new Webers and just 100% rewired. I am putting on a new head so it will be bulletproof now (well, actually no guarantees with a race car) so will be great in 2020. > > This was a nice car when I bought it 3 years ago with documented history and log books going back to 1972. I showed it's potential when it hung with Tony Drews in Buttonwillow last summer..... until the driver ran out of talent. > > With a decent driver it will finish very well at the 2020 Kastner Cup. If anyone is interested I will make an incredible deal on the car and an option on a nice enclosed trailer to any serious FoT member. Call or text me at 858 442-9098 and I will be happy to discuss or send photos, info on this exceptional car. Email is alanb at alanberrydesign.com. > > Wherever a buyer is located I will be happy to meet them halfway from my SoCal location gratis if they want the complete car/trailer spares combo to save shipping costs. Spares include two additional sets of wheels/tires with fresh rain tires with 4 laps on them. > > I will not sell this pretty car to anyone but a serious racer. Former owner Irv Korey will kick my ass if I sell it to a goofball. It's not about the money to me. I will make a great deal to the right driver. > > I hope to be a spectator at the history making 2020 Kastner Cup to see this car run up front! > > Sorry for the shameless plug Joe. See you in 2020. > > Alan #41 TR4A > >> On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 6:33 PM Joe Alexander wrote: >> It was run at Daytona with the top in place, I believe. >> >> Alan, are you registered yet? >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> >>>> On Dec 26, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Alan Berry wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> How cool is a white TR4 racer with a white convertible top up? >>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 5:34 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Joe Alexander >>>> 4505 Donald Dr >>>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >>>> The-vintage-racer.com >>>> Gasketinnovations.com >>>> Cell: 319.464.4711 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alanb at alanberrydesign.com >>>> >>>> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 6t9gt6 at toast.net Fri Dec 27 12:21:59 2019 From: 6t9gt6 at toast.net (Stephen Jones) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2019 14:21:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: <3928918C-E694-49B3-AF69-4E80D2D76CE6@yahoo.com> <001e01d5bb5a$ff35bbe0$fda133a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6053f1d02d09474398f30bb4fdbed910@toast.net> Great reactions and save! That could have ended in major tears. ---------------------------------------- From: "Jerry Van Vlack via Fot" Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 11:57 PM To: tr4racing at googlemail.com, "fot at autox. team. net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing I had a front row seat to that event. Great job Chris but a disappointment for us all when you went out. JVV From: Chris Marx via Fot Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 2:39 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing When I broke the front axle and blocked the left front wheel from that, I felt lucky that I made the car going round the corner to the front straight. Wouldn't made me happy to touch any guard rails. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Nick Black via Fot Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Dezember 2019 19:50 An: Mike Harmuth Cc: FoTTriumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing Back when the "blue bush" was installed, many of us no longer raced there... originally the fence was literally at the edge of the track surface all the way around the track. It was like racin in a blue alley...drop a wheel and total your car as it pinballed across the track. Never raced there again Nick I'm NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal On Dec 25, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: ? You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like " If you spin, they're towing you in" mike h On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: One of my experiences watching what happens when you don't go two in. https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c The MGB behind me was not so fortunate Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: ? Two feet in has its advantages https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: ? Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. Merry Christmas. Bill On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: Whenever you start to spin it's two feet in. I've been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. 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Dave H. > On December 29, 2019 at 2:49 PM Joe Alexander via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Dec 29 17:09:56 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 16:09:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Vintage Motorsport In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <934434630.119210.1577664596479@connect.xfinity.com> Yes. The Watkins Glen Triumph group received the coveted "Pick or the Litter" section in the event article. Very cool. Tom Turner's Spit is front and center in the group photo. He towed all the way from Danville, CA. Burt Levy wrote the article. Dave H. > On December 29, 2019 at 8:40 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > > Recently got the Jan/Feb 2020 issue of Vintage Motorsport. Finally > cracked it open for a quick thumb through.? Wow, those of you who read > it, check out the bottom of page 88. > > Way to go Henry! > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Dec 30 05:36:52 2019 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 12:36:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <5539C218-A22F-4EBC-8530-1C6ED816FCE6@gmail.com> References: <5539C218-A22F-4EBC-8530-1C6ED816FCE6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1268668806.3125178.1577709412142@mail.yahoo.com> Something in the photo just doesn't seem right, it's out of proportion, or maybe it's just my eyes...Glen -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot Sent: Sun, Dec 29, 2019 5:52 pm Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Dec 30 06:52:33 2019 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 13:52:33 +0000 Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <1268668806.3125178.1577709412142@mail.yahoo.com> References: <5539C218-A22F-4EBC-8530-1C6ED816FCE6@gmail.com>, <1268668806.3125178.1577709412142@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good eye Glen, it looks like a TR3 body on a TR4A/IRS chassis with fenders widened to cover the increased track of the newer chassis. Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: fubog1 via Fot Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 7:37 AM To: joealexandervintage at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup Something in the photo just doesn't seem right, it's out of proportion, or maybe it's just my eyes... Glen -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot Sent: Sun, Dec 29, 2019 5:52 pm Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Dec 30 07:44:16 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 15:44:16 +0100 Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: <5539C218-A22F-4EBC-8530-1C6ED816FCE6@gmail.com>, <1268668806.3125178.1577709412142@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001401d5bf1f$9c8b6490$d5a22db0$@gmail.com> TR3B Widebody version on TR4 frame. Some Americans rejected the TR4 and the factory planted about 2000 bodys on the TR4 frame. Unfortunately this car was never homologated - would have been a great historic racer. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Terry Stetler via Fot Gesendet: Montag, 30. Dezember 2019 14:53 An: fubog1 ; joealexandervintage at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup Good eye Glen, it looks like a TR3 body on a TR4A/IRS chassis with fenders widened to cover the increased track of the newer chassis. Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: fubog1 via Fot Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 7:37 AM To: joealexandervintage at gmail.com ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup Something in the photo just doesn't seem right, it's out of proportion, or maybe it's just my eyes... Glen -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Sun, Dec 29, 2019 5:52 pm Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Mon Dec 30 07:55:54 2019 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 09:55:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] $415 US for a great race weekend Message-ID: <001801d5bf21$3ccd9670$b668c350$@rr.com> The VARAC event at Mosport, CA has a discount (save $100) program for early registrations ENDING at Midnight Tomorrow. The event is June 18 to 21, 2020. The discount drops the price to $415 US given the exchange rate. Great way to get practiced up for the following weekend or if you're making the trip for K-Cup, it's just a bit further and you can capture two events in June. Camping is free and there's lots of paddock space; more seat time than you can imagine and another shot at defeating the MGs in the TRIUMPH/MG Challenge Race which provides even more seat time. Unlike some other organizations your car will be inspected for tech/safety according to your home club rules and regulations. Border crossings are simple and fast. The social events tied to this event are over the top featuring live bands on two nights; a banquet and traveling feast through the paddock on another night with copious beverages. A practice day is also available and an orientation is offered if it's your first time. This is the track Bob Tullius called his favorite. Don't miss this opportunity for a very cost effective event and see why so many of us return every year. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Dec 30 08:43:38 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 07:43:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <001401d5bf1f$9c8b6490$d5a22db0$@gmail.com> References: <5539C218-A22F-4EBC-8530-1C6ED816FCE6@gmail.com>, <1268668806.3125178.1577709412142@mail.yahoo.com> <001401d5bf1f$9c8b6490$d5a22db0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1515506030.123231.1577720618970@connect.xfinity.com> This car is a TR3 Beta. 3 to 5 of them were made as prototypes in 1959. Well before the TR4A IRS. My memory was just refreshed of these cars from reading Bill Piggott's Triumph TR book. Wide bodies were made to fit the developing TR4 frame, which was still a solid axle but it had ring and pinion steering. The leading edge of the doors were wider for a smooth transition to the wider fender. The TR4 body design had not yet been completed, but the TRS was being developed has it's prototype. The TR3B is a TR3A with a TR4 engine and trans that got the TCF prefix in the VIN instead of the TR2-3s TS prefix. Dave H. > On December 30, 2019 at 6:44 AM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > > TR3B > > Widebody version on TR4 frame. > > Some Americans rejected the TR4 and the factory planted about 2000 bodys on the TR4 frame. > > Unfortunately this car was never homologated ? would have been a great historic racer. > > > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Terry Stetler via Fot > Gesendet: Montag, 30. Dezember 2019 14:53 > An: fubog1 ; joealexandervintage at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup > > > > Good eye Glen, it looks like a TR3 body on a TR4A/IRS chassis with fenders widened to cover the increased track of the newer chassis. > > > > Terry Stetler > > > > Sent from Mail https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 for Windows 10 > > > > From: fubog1 via Fot mailto:fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 7:37 AM > To: joealexandervintage at gmail.com mailto:joealexandervintage at gmail.com ; fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup > > > > Something in the photo just doesn't seem right, it's out of proportion, or maybe it's just my eyes... > > Glen > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Sun, Dec 29, 2019 5:52 pm > Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup > > > > > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe1191dca30b4527937308d78d2507d0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637133062501511461&sdata=COUNMKMPMprUki%2BdQPafC0rDpACiHo2Z%2BwsNIaAUByE%3D&reserved=0 > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fdonate.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe1191dca30b4527937308d78d2507d0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637133062501521466&sdata=I6jR9ik3tv8zLTJyYGuGg0m92aEJXbBLjZCdK6sa0sw%3D&reserved=0 > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Farchive&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe1191dca30b4527937308d78d2507d0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637133062501531475&sdata=OOBYbW7vEu0wA2FRNaLKqBLwFZsi6ep4ZfXLqmMLLbg%3D&reserved=0 http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fpipermail%2Ffot&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe1191dca30b4527937308d78d2507d0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637133062501531475&sdata=%2B0imON2PuoSjsgTmmNt5yMmjI4IJfp%2BgfsZ7O%2BawpRA%3D&reserved=0 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Ffubog1%40aol.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe1191dca30b4527937308d78d2507d0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637133062501531475&sdata=egezk%2BLlAmyUXAZa2rHp8SS8qOgq57I%2BtPrnhHFNInI%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Dec 30 08:56:28 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 08:56:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? Message-ID: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> This TR3 Beta got me thinking.? The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 frame.? The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.? The TR6 used basically the same frame.? Are there solid axle TR6s out there? mjb. From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Dec 30 09:05:24 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 08:05:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> References: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <488432948.123535.1577721924756@connect.xfinity.com> The TR4 frame was solid axle only. Exactly like the TR3 frame but with added sections to the front rails to widen the track. The TR4A frame could fit either solid or independent axles. The TR6 frame is very different and not design for the solid axle. Dave H. > On December 30, 2019 at 7:56 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > > This TR3 Beta got me thinking.? The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 > frame.? The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either > the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.? The TR6 used basically the same > frame.? Are there solid axle TR6s out there? > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From johnstydo at gmail.com Mon Dec 30 10:27:37 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 12:27:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> References: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 > frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either > the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same > frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20191202_120231.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4487931 bytes Desc: not available URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Mon Dec 30 10:29:59 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 12:29:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] $415 US for a great race weekend In-Reply-To: <001801d5bf21$3ccd9670$b668c350$@rr.com> References: <001801d5bf21$3ccd9670$b668c350$@rr.com> Message-ID: Mosport is a great track and VARAC is a great club to race with. The price is right, too. Triumph ghetto anyone? On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 9:56 AM Spitfire Racing via Fot wrote: > The VARAC event at Mosport, CA has a discount (save $100) program for > early registrations *ENDING at Midnight Tomorrow*. The event is June 18 > to 21, 2020. > > The discount drops the price to $415 US given the exchange rate. > > > > Great way to get practiced up for the following weekend or if you?re > making the trip for K-Cup, it?s just a bit further and you can capture two > events in June. > > > > Camping is free and there?s lots of paddock space; more seat time than you > can imagine and another shot at defeating the MGs in the TRIUMPH/MG > Challenge Race which provides even more seat time. > > > > Unlike some other organizations your car will be inspected for tech/safety > according to your home club rules and regulations. Border crossings are > simple and fast. > > > > The social events tied to this event are over the top featuring live bands > on two nights; a banquet and traveling feast through the paddock on another > night with copious beverages. > > A practice day is also available and an orientation is offered if it?s > your first time. > > > > This is the track Bob Tullius called his favorite. Don?t miss this > opportunity for a very cost effective event and see why so many of us > return every year. > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bfcc at hotmail.co.uk Mon Dec 30 11:25:37 2019 From: bfcc at hotmail.co.uk (John) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 18:25:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The TR3 BETA chassis actually came first and the later TR4 body was put on it. Frank Marsden engineered the suspension and steering for the TR3 BETA as part of Ray Bates's team tasked with looking into ways to improve the TR. Rack and pinion steering was something Frank considered important along with the suspension upgrades, hence the wider wings to cover it all. It was considered so successful that the upscaled Zest TR4 body was simply put on the entire TR3 BETA platform. And you won't have read that in any book before. Fortunately, I have it all on camera and included it in the minor revision I made to 'Traditional Triumph TR: From the TR2 to the TR6' that I issued a few years ago. If you have the version that includes Frank Marsden and Ray Bates then you already have the full story. John C. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Mon Dec 30 14:45:06 2019 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 16:45:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] $415 US for a great race weekend In-Reply-To: References: <001801d5bf21$3ccd9670$b668c350$@rr.com> Message-ID: Love MOSPORT and the FX, Very tempting, but more than a bit shy about running two weekends B2B. I'll be watching the traffic on this topic... Brian 69 GT6 On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:54 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > Mosport is a great track and VARAC is a great club to race with. The > price is right, too. Triumph ghetto anyone? > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 9:56 AM Spitfire Racing via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> The VARAC event at Mosport, CA has a discount (save $100) program for >> early registrations *ENDING at Midnight Tomorrow*. The event is June 18 >> to 21, 2020. >> >> The discount drops the price to $415 US given the exchange rate. >> >> >> >> Great way to get practiced up for the following weekend or if you?re >> making the trip for K-Cup, it?s just a bit further and you can capture two >> events in June. >> >> >> >> Camping is free and there?s lots of paddock space; more seat time than >> you can imagine and another shot at defeating the MGs in the TRIUMPH/MG >> Challenge Race which provides even more seat time. >> >> >> >> Unlike some other organizations your car will be inspected for >> tech/safety according to your home club rules and regulations. Border >> crossings are simple and fast. >> >> >> >> The social events tied to this event are over the top featuring live >> bands on two nights; a banquet and traveling feast through the paddock on >> another night with copious beverages. >> >> A practice day is also available and an orientation is offered if it?s >> your first time. >> >> >> >> This is the track Bob Tullius called his favorite. Don?t miss this >> opportunity for a very cost effective event and see why so many of us >> return every year. >> >> >> >> Russ Moore >> >> Spitfire #49 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano at yahoo.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: WG16-2964.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5531823 bytes Desc: not available URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Mon Dec 30 14:47:15 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 16:47:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There must have been modification of the BETA chassis to accomodate the TR4s wider floor pans and engine bay. I've saw a very early TR4 frame that had extension plates bolted to the top of the outriggers to fit the wider body mounts. The diagonal braces for the front spring perches also had to be moved outward to fit the TR4 front inner fender mounts. I don't think the BETA had wider floor pans that the stock TR3. On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 1:27 PM John via Fot wrote: > The TR3 BETA chassis actually came first and the later TR4 body was put on > it. Frank Marsden engineered the suspension and steering for the TR3 BETA > as part of Ray Bates's team tasked with looking into ways to improve the > TR. Rack and pinion steering was something Frank considered important > along with the suspension upgrades, hence the wider wings to cover it all. > It was considered so successful that the upscaled Zest TR4 body was simply > put on the entire TR3 BETA platform. > > And you won't have read that in any book before. Fortunately, I have it > all on camera and included it in the minor revision I made to 'Traditional > Triumph TR: From the TR2 to the TR6' that I issued a few years ago. If you > have the version that includes Frank Marsden and Ray Bates then you already > have the full story. > > John C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at gmail.com Mon Dec 30 15:35:43 2019 From: bownes at gmail.com (Bob Bownes) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 17:35:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blanking plates for TR6 manifold Message-ID: <6A313D48-FD74-45C4-A205-CACCC5A97015@gmail.com> For those that have not heard, I?ve started the rebuild on my TR6 to get it back on the road/track. As a first step, I?m transplanting a stock engine back in on order to get it driveable while I do the ?good? engine. As it is somewhat chilly, storing the motor in the garage leaves a certain vulnerability some of you may have experienced. In order to keep the mice and chipmunks that I sometimes share the garage with from stashing their winter meals in the intake and exhaust ports, I had some solid blanking plates made up. Anyone who needs the plates for the TR6, or would like to have some made up for a different engine, let me know, and I?ll put you in touch with the guy who made them up for me and has the pattern and plasma CNC. Bob From fmccjr at aol.com Mon Dec 30 16:41:32 2019 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 18:41:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: References: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Now, THAT makes me very envious... Nice clubhouse! R McCurdy Newburgh, NY > On Dec 30, 2019, at 12:27 PM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. > >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: >> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either >> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >> >> mjb. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmccjr at aol.com Mon Dec 30 16:41:32 2019 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 18:41:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: References: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Now, THAT makes me very envious... Nice clubhouse! R McCurdy Newburgh, NY > On Dec 30, 2019, at 12:27 PM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. > >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: >> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either >> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >> >> mjb. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 06:46:38 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 07:46:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: References: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Is that a 50 x 30? I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. Bob Kramer On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member > that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide > track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new > headquarters. > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either >> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >> >> mjb. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers Bill On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > Is that a 50 x 30? > > I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it > outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work > benches?and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still > can't decide where to put a lift. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot > > wrote: > > I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club > member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to > build a wide track for my TR3.? This will be my next project after > outfitting my new headquarters. > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot > > wrote: > > This TR3 Beta got me thinking.? The TR4 was based on a > modified TR3 > frame.? The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable > to either > the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.? The TR6 used basically > the same > frame.? Are there solid axle TR6s out there? > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Tue Dec 31 08:09:00 2019 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 10:09:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <731e9052-2407-b5cb-4be5-4952ff5b573f@verizon.net> References: <731e9052-2407-b5cb-4be5-4952ff5b573f@verizon.net> Message-ID: <373941E4-C650-49C9-8F31-90D979F5611F@seiri.com> And wall storage off from workspace which can be heated or cooled as necessary...The heavy vinyl curtains work well but can cost more than real walls! And a ventilated welding area. I?m thinking about having a slab poured behind my garage and erecting some open storage space back there as well as a small enclosed area to hold the furnace, compressor, and a heated cabinet for things that should not freeze. Bob > On Dec 31, 2019, at 09:52, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > ? > Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. > > While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! > > Ask me how I learned all this stuff! > > Happy New Year everyone. > > Cheers Bill > > On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >> Is that a 50 x 30? >> >> I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. >> >> Bob Kramer >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: >>> I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: >>>> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >>>> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either >>>> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >>>> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >>>> >>>> mjb. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <2a82d7d4-4532-4122-b42c-b59a42087006@Spark> Bob, I had the same issue ? a permanently mounted lift was going to be in the way a lot of the time. ?I ended up with a 6000-lb. capacity single-post lift that can be moved around. ?I drive in, put the lift arms in place, pump the jack (it has a long handle like a pallet jack on one end) to raise the base of the lift off the ground and then move the car wherever I need it. ?Like this one, only the cost was a lot lower at about $2700 delivered:?https://www.gregsmithequipment.com/Atlas-6000-lb-Portable-Single-Post-Lift Duncan On Dec 31, 2019, 8:10 AM -0600, Bob Kramer via Fot , wrote: > Is that a 50 x 30? > > I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches?and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. > > Bob Kramer > > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > > I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3.? This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > > > > This TR3 Beta got me thinking.? The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 > > > > > frame.? The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either > > > > > the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.? The TR6 used basically the same > > > > > frame.? Are there solid axle TR6s out there? > > > > > > > > > > mjb. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Tue Dec 31 08:10:32 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 15:10:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? References: <1382700210.5254142.1577805032873.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1382700210.5254142.1577805032873@mail.yahoo.com> Bill...Good notes. ?I wish someone?would have suggested I run air and power lines to the lift. ?I did not, and it was a?tripping issue. I loved my lift, which if I recall had 9,000 lbs capacity, but had very low pickup arms for getting under sports cars. Lazy bastard that I am, I would put the cars on the lift to wax them. ?TSK, Tsk, tsk. HAPPY NEW YEAR! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, December 31, 2019,?Bill Tobin via Fot??wrote: Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! Ask me how I learned all this stuff! Happy New Year everyone. Cheers Bill On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Is that a 50 x 30?? I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches?and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. Bob Kramer On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3.? This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters.? On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: This TR3 Beta got me thinking.? The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 frame.? The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.? The TR6 used basically the same frame.? Are there solid axle TR6s out there? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Tue Dec 31 08:19:59 2019 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 10:19:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <1382700210.5254142.1577805032873@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1382700210.5254142.1577805032873@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <22B0E8FD-0E05-4140-AF4E-B71DB4D2A765@seiri.com> I didn?t build my garage so I was very pleased to find the foundation to be >12? thick when I drilled the anchor holes for the lift, which is in the middle rear of 3 bays allowing access from the sides. Open trusses have made retrofitting air lines, better lighting, and power drops a snap. I really could use another 15? in one dimension, running water, and more power though. But then my wife would probably make me live out there. ;) > On Dec 31, 2019, at 10:10, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > ?Bill... > Good notes. I wish someone would have suggested I run air and power lines to the lift. I did not, and it was a tripping issue. > > I loved my lift, which if I recall had 9,000 lbs capacity, but had very low pickup arms for getting under sports cars. > > Lazy bastard that I am, I would put the cars on the lift to wax them. TSK, Tsk, tsk. > > HAPPY NEW YEAR! > > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. > > While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! > > Ask me how I learned all this stuff! > > Happy New Year everyone. > > Cheers Bill > > On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > Is that a 50 x 30? > > I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 > frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either > the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same > frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Tue Dec 31 09:34:10 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 10:34:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <1382700210.5254142.1577805032873@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1382700210.5254142.1577805032873@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FDD6953-D117-4C53-AB3A-C8FD14713B43@icloud.com> Love reading all of this but I have to ask how you ever made time to WAX the cars. I always seem to be chasing a last minute transmission rebuild or axle swap the night before I load. I am that guy washing the race car on Friday night at the track. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 31, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > ?Bill... > Good notes. I wish someone would have suggested I run air and power lines to the lift. I did not, and it was a tripping issue. > > I loved my lift, which if I recall had 9,000 lbs capacity, but had very low pickup arms for getting under sports cars. > > Lazy bastard that I am, I would put the cars on the lift to wax them. TSK, Tsk, tsk. > > HAPPY NEW YEAR! > > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. > > While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! > > Ask me how I learned all this stuff! > > Happy New Year everyone. > > Cheers Bill > > On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > Is that a 50 x 30? > > I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 > frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either > the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same > frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mleccese1 at verizon.net Tue Dec 31 09:38:26 2019 From: mleccese1 at verizon.net (mleccese1 at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 16:38:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? References: <800920835.5280871.1577810306163.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <800920835.5280871.1577810306163@mail.yahoo.com> I'm with ya, last race I only had time to chance an oil leak... On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 Greg Blake via Fot wrote: Love reading all of this but I have to ask how you ever made time to WAX the cars. I always seem to be chasing a last minute transmission rebuild or axle swap the night before I load. I am that guy washing the race car on Friday night at the track.? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: ?Bill...Good notes. ?I wish someone?would have suggested I run air and power lines to the lift. ?I did not, and it was a?tripping issue. I loved my lift, which if I recall had 9,000 lbs capacity, but had very low pickup arms for getting under sports cars. Lazy bastard that I am, I would put the cars on the lift to wax them. ?TSK, Tsk, tsk. HAPPY NEW YEAR! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, December 31, 2019,?Bill Tobin via Fot??wrote: Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! Ask me how I learned all this stuff! Happy New Year everyone. Cheers Bill On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Is that a 50 x 30?? I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches?and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. Bob Kramer On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3.? This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters.? On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: This TR3 Beta got me thinking.? The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 frame.? The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.? The TR6 used basically the same frame.? Are there solid axle TR6s out there? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mleccese1 at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Tue Dec 31 09:50:56 2019 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 11:50:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <800920835.5280871.1577810306163@mail.yahoo.com> References: <800920835.5280871.1577810306163@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Wait, you _wash_ the car? Isn?t all that dirt and rubber a badge of honour? ;) > On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:38, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: > > ? > I'm with ya, last race I only had time to chance an oil leak... > > > > On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > Love reading all of this but I have to ask how you ever made time to WAX the cars. I always seem to be chasing a last minute transmission rebuild or axle swap the night before I load. I am that guy washing the race car on Friday night at the track. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Dec 31, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >>> >> ?Bill... >> Good notes. I wish someone would have suggested I run air and power lines to the lift. I did not, and it was a tripping issue. >> >> I loved my lift, which if I recall had 9,000 lbs capacity, but had very low pickup arms for getting under sports cars. >> >> Lazy bastard that I am, I would put the cars on the lift to wax them. TSK, Tsk, tsk. >> >> HAPPY NEW YEAR! >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >> >> On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >> >> Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. >> >> While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! >> >> Ask me how I learned all this stuff! >> >> Happy New Year everyone. >> >> Cheers Bill >> >> On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >> >> Is that a 50 x 30? >> >> I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. >> >> Bob Kramer >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: >> I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. >> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: >> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either >> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >> >> mjb. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mleccese1 at verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 09:54:25 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 10:54:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <731e9052-2407-b5cb-4be5-4952ff5b573f@verizon.net> References: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> <731e9052-2407-b5cb-4be5-4952ff5b573f@verizon.net> Message-ID: Those are great ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing system and I have an overhead run 20' in. Dropping a line down and mounting it on both posts of the lifts would be a simple upgrade.. I did think ahead and wired in an extra 30 amp circuit up top. I was planning on using a retractable electric hose reel but dropping an outlet to the posts might be a better plan. Bob Kramer On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. > Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses > and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe > on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting > especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe > have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe > surface grinder. > > While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! > > Ask me how I learned all this stuff! > > Happy New Year everyone. > > Cheers Bill > On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > Is that a 50 x 30? > > I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it > outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work > benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't > decide where to put a lift. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot > wrote: > >> I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member >> that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide >> track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new >> headquarters. >> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >>> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >>> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either >>> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >>> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >>> >>> mjb. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage : >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Tue Dec 31 10:01:57 2019 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 12:01:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0292F65B-6DF9-4376-9C53-FD15CBD69750@seiri.com> It?s overkill, but I have an electrical reel and air hose reel over each bay. It comes in terribly handy. Don?t know about the planned lift, but mine is 220VAC, so don?t forget you may need that. On that note, I?ve been accumulating Real Machine Tools of late that all need 220 3phase. So 220 drops are going in around the shop for those and the welder. I find it easier to move the welder to the work than the work to the welder sometimes. > On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:54, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > ? > Those are great ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing system and I have an overhead run 20' in. Dropping a line down and mounting it on both posts of the lifts would be a simple upgrade.. I did think ahead and wired in an extra 30 amp circuit up top. I was planning on using a retractable electric hose reel but dropping an outlet to the posts might be a better plan. > > Bob Kramer > > >> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >> Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. >> >> While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! >> >> Ask me how I learned all this stuff! >> >> Happy New Year everyone. >> >> Cheers Bill >> >> On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >>> Is that a 50 x 30? >>> >>> I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. >>> >>> Bob Kramer >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: >>>> I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: >>>>> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >>>>> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either >>>>> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >>>>> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >>>>> >>>>> mjb. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 10:36:25 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 11:36:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <0292F65B-6DF9-4376-9C53-FD15CBD69750@seiri.com> References: <0292F65B-6DF9-4376-9C53-FD15CBD69750@seiri.com> Message-ID: Got all the power stuff covered. With 40 foot depth I choose to run most everything down the middle at 20'. The welder and compressor 220V are on the opposite wall from the breaker box.. I have another tip that I can pass on from Robert MacKenzie, I plan on a free floor lift and getting the arms under teh car is always a pain. Robert puts his car on a set of dollies first. makes the arm swing a breeze. Bob Kramer On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:01 AM Bob Bownes -Seiri wrote: > > It?s overkill, but I have an electrical reel and air hose reel over each > bay. It comes in terribly handy. > > Don?t know about the planned lift, but mine is 220VAC, so don?t forget you > may need that. > > On that note, I?ve been accumulating Real Machine Tools of late that all > need 220 3phase. So 220 drops are going in around the shop for those and > the welder. I find it easier to move the welder to the work than the work > to the welder sometimes. > > On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:54, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > ? > Those are great ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing system and I have an > overhead run 20' in. Dropping a line down and mounting it on both posts of > the lifts would be a simple upgrade.. I did think ahead and wired in an > extra 30 amp circuit up top. I was planning on using a retractable electric > hose reel but dropping an outlet to the posts might be a better plan. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bill Tobin via Fot > wrote: > >> Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. >> Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses >> and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe >> on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting >> especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe >> have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe >> surface grinder. >> >> While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! >> >> Ask me how I learned all this stuff! >> >> Happy New Year everyone. >> >> Cheers Bill >> On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >> >> Is that a 50 x 30? >> >> I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it >> outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work >> benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't >> decide where to put a lift. >> >> Bob Kramer >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >>> I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member >>> that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide >>> track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new >>> headquarters. >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot < >>> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >>> >>>> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >>>> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to >>>> either >>>> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >>>> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >>>> >>>> mjb. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage >>>> : >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage : >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 11:13:16 2019 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 12:13:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: References: <0292F65B-6DF9-4376-9C53-FD15CBD69750@seiri.com> Message-ID: <16eee885-f004-40ad-86a0-3b3473114751@Spark> Bob, I usually drive my race cars up onto wood ramps to allow the arms to swing under. ?They?re made of doubled 2X8s with staggered 45? angles at one end (so I can drive up the first 1-1/2? and have the tire completely on the board already before going up the second 1-1/2? rise) and scraps of inner tube stapled to the bottom to keep them from sliding on the floor as I drive on. Duncan On Dec 31, 2019, 11:36 AM -0600, Bob Kramer via Fot , wrote: > Got all the power stuff covered. With 40 foot depth I choose?to run most everything down the middle at 20'.? The welder?and compressor 220V are on the opposite?wall from the breaker box..? I have another tip that I can pass on from Robert MacKenzie,? I plan on a free floor lift and getting the arms under teh car is always a pain.? Robert puts his car on a set of dollies first. makes the arm swing a breeze. > Bob Kramer > > > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:01 AM Bob Bownes -Seiri wrote: > > > > > > It?s overkill, but I have an electrical reel and air hose reel over each bay. It comes in terribly handy. > > > > > > Don?t know about the planned lift, but mine is 220VAC, so don?t forget you may need that. > > > > > > On that note, I?ve been accumulating Real ?Machine Tools of late that all need 220 3phase. So 220 drops are going in around the shop for those and the welder. I find it easier to move the welder to the work than the work to the welder sometimes. > > > > > > > On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:54, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > Those are great ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing system and I have an overhead run 20' in.? Dropping a line down and mounting it on both posts of the lifts would be a simple upgrade.. I did think ahead and wired in an extra 30 amp circuit up top. I was planning on using a retractable electric hose reel but dropping an outlet to the posts might be a better plan. > > > > > > > > Bob Kramer > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > > > > > Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. > > > > > > While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! > > > > > > Ask me how I learned all this stuff! > > > > > > Happy New Year everyone. > > > > > > Cheers Bill > > > > > > On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > Is that a 50 x 30? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches?and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob Kramer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3.? This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > This TR3 Beta got me thinking.? The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 > > > > > > > > > > > frame.? The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either > > > > > > > > > > > the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.? The TR6 used basically the same > > > > > > > > > > > frame.? Are there solid axle TR6s out there? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mjb. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > > > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 11:30:00 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 12:30:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <16eee885-f004-40ad-86a0-3b3473114751@Spark> References: <0292F65B-6DF9-4376-9C53-FD15CBD69750@seiri.com> <16eee885-f004-40ad-86a0-3b3473114751@Spark> Message-ID: I did that for years and I am looking for a better way! Bob Kramer On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:13 PM Duncan Charlton < duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com> wrote: > Bob, I usually drive my race cars up onto wood ramps to allow the arms to > swing under. They?re made of doubled 2X8s with staggered 45? angles at one > end (so I can drive up the first 1-1/2? and have the tire completely on the > board already before going up the second 1-1/2? rise) and scraps of inner > tube stapled to the bottom to keep them from sliding on the floor as I > drive on. > > Duncan > On Dec 31, 2019, 11:36 AM -0600, Bob Kramer via Fot , > wrote: > > Got all the power stuff covered. With 40 foot depth I choose to run most > everything down the middle at 20'. The welder and compressor 220V are on > the opposite wall from the breaker box.. I have another tip that I can > pass on from Robert MacKenzie, I plan on a free floor lift and getting the > arms under teh car is always a pain. Robert puts his car on a set of > dollies first. makes the arm swing a breeze. > Bob Kramer > > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:01 AM Bob Bownes -Seiri > wrote: > >> >> It?s overkill, but I have an electrical reel and air hose reel over each >> bay. It comes in terribly handy. >> >> Don?t know about the planned lift, but mine is 220VAC, so don?t forget >> you may need that. >> >> On that note, I?ve been accumulating Real Machine Tools of late that all >> need 220 3phase. So 220 drops are going in around the shop for those and >> the welder. I find it easier to move the welder to the work than the work >> to the welder sometimes. >> >> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:54, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> Those are great ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing system and I have an >> overhead run 20' in. Dropping a line down and mounting it on both posts of >> the lifts would be a simple upgrade.. I did think ahead and wired in an >> extra 30 amp circuit up top. I was planning on using a retractable electric >> hose reel but dropping an outlet to the posts might be a better plan. >> >> Bob Kramer >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bill Tobin via Fot >> wrote: >> >>> Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the >>> shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing >>> hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; >>> maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting >>> especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe >>> have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe >>> surface grinder. >>> >>> While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! >>> >>> Ask me how I learned all this stuff! >>> >>> Happy New Year everyone. >>> >>> Cheers Bill >>> On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Is that a 50 x 30? >>> >>> I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it >>> outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work >>> benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't >>> decide where to put a lift. >>> >>> Bob Kramer >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot < >>> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member >>>> that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide >>>> track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new >>>> headquarters. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot < >>>> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >>>>> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to >>>>> either >>>>> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >>>>> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >>>>> >>>>> mjb. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage >>>>> : >>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage >>>> : >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage : >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 31 12:14:19 2019 From: putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com (Rich Hahn) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 19:14:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: References: <0292F65B-6DF9-4376-9C53-FD15CBD69750@seiri.com> Message-ID: <1030497240.3477457.1577819659362@mail.yahoo.com> Ditto for issues getting the lift swing arms under a low car.? I usually run mine up on some square patio stones which takes a lot less time than getting it on the 4 dollies first.? Its worked on some pretty low competition cars. On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, 12:36:36 PM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Got all the power stuff covered. With 40 foot depth I choose?to run most everything down the middle at 20'.? The welder?and compressor 220V are on the opposite?wall from the breaker box..? I have another tip that I can pass on from Robert MacKenzie,? I plan on a free floor lift and getting the arms under teh car is always a pain.? Robert puts his car on a set of dollies first. makes the arm swing a breeze. Bob Kramer On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:01 AM Bob Bownes -Seiri wrote: It?s overkill, but I have an electrical reel and air hose reel over each bay. It comes in terribly handy.? Don?t know about the planned lift, but mine is 220VAC, so don?t forget you may need that.? On that note, I?ve been accumulating Real ?Machine Tools of late that all need 220 3phase. So 220 drops are going in around the shop for those and the welder. I find it easier to move the welder to the work than the work to the welder sometimes.? On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:54, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: ?Those are great ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing system and I have an overhead run 20' in.? Dropping a line down and mounting it on both posts of the lifts would be a simple upgrade.. I did think ahead and wired in an extra 30 amp circuit up top. I was planning on using a retractable electric hose reel but dropping an outlet to the posts might be a better plan.? Bob Kramer On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! Ask me how I learned all this stuff! Happy New Year everyone. Cheers Bill On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Is that a 50 x 30?? I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches?and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. Bob Kramer On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3.? This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters.? On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: This TR3 Beta got me thinking.? The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 frame.? The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.? The TR6 used basically the same frame.? Are there solid axle TR6s out there? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From steve at artwithcars.com Tue Dec 31 13:11:44 2019 From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 12:11:44 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Rollbar/cage Message-ID: <233FCDE7-5AD9-4AF4-900E-C5F5D6E0CAE6@artwithcars.com> I have a front hoop that goes under the cowl behind the dashboard ~Steve > On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Dennis DeLap via Fot wrote: > From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 31 13:18:40 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 20:18:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Rollbar/cage In-Reply-To: <20191231195526.D01C2A0B40@autox.team.net> References: <20191231195526.D01C2A0B40@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <395491636.3494363.1577823520185@mail.yahoo.com> Hi - Assuming you're asking about a front hoop for the roll cage? If so, then yes. It gives you something to tie the side protection to, Most folks with open top cars in vintage put the front hoop down at the level of the "scuttle" as opposed to the "halo" type that most coupes and sedans would use. Regards,Bob Lang On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, 2:55:28 PM EST, Dennis DeLap via Fot wrote: A? M? I? C? I Does everyone have a front hoop on their car?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tr3a58dean at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 13:33:15 2019 From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean Tetterton) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 15:33:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Rollbar/cage In-Reply-To: <233FCDE7-5AD9-4AF4-900E-C5F5D6E0CAE6@artwithcars.com> References: <233FCDE7-5AD9-4AF4-900E-C5F5D6E0CAE6@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: Always ran a front hoop. Made a good place to hang pedals. Dean T. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 31, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?I have a front hoop that goes under the cowl behind the dashboard > > ~Steve > > >> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Dennis DeLap via Fot wrote: >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3a58dean at gmail.com > > From johnstydo at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 14:17:52 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 16:17:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Rollbar/cage In-Reply-To: References: <233FCDE7-5AD9-4AF4-900E-C5F5D6E0CAE6@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: I have a front hoop behind the dash on my TR3 and I use it to stiffen the scuttle with side mount brackets and attach the side bars. On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:33 PM Dean Tetterton via Fot wrote: > Always ran a front hoop. Made a good place to hang pedals. > Dean T. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 31, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?I have a front hoop that goes under the cowl behind the dashboard > > > > ~Steve > > > > > >> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Dennis DeLap via Fot > wrote: > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3a58dean at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmccjr at aol.com Tue Dec 31 14:41:04 2019 From: fmccjr at aol.com (fmccjr at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 16:41:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Rollbar/cage In-Reply-To: References: <233FCDE7-5AD9-4AF4-900E-C5F5D6E0CAE6@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: I do, as well. SCCA refs in 1980s I guess. The VSCCA raised an eyebrow, but let me play anyway! Rick McCurdy Newburgh, NY > On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > I have a front hoop behind the dash on my TR3 and I use it to stiffen the scuttle with side mount brackets and attach the side bars. > >> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:33 PM Dean Tetterton via Fot wrote: >> Always ran a front hoop. Made a good place to hang pedals. >> Dean T. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?I have a front hoop that goes under the cowl behind the dashboard >> > >> > ~Steve >> > >> > >> >> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Dennis DeLap via Fot wrote: >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3a58dean at gmail.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Made a good place to hang pedals. >> Dean T. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?I have a front hoop that goes under the cowl behind the dashboard >> > >> > ~Steve >> > >> > >> >> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Dennis DeLap via Fot wrote: >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3a58dean at gmail.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Dec 1 11:56:19 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2019 12:56:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Interesting archive search In-Reply-To: <11f1a2b2-e6d2-9fa0-af29-94a84c592cff@bradakis.com> References: <11f1a2b2-e6d2-9fa0-af29-94a84c592cff@bradakis.com> Message-ID: 26-28 June 2020. Also, see websites like SVRA, MID-OHIO, FOT, kaskastner.com I assume all of these websites are up to date. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Dec 1, 2019, at 12:35 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > ?S0 for the 2020 Kastner Cup I was planning on flying to Indianapolis to visit there, then acquiring a vehicle to drive to the event. I was just talking to the fellow I was going to visit and he expressed an interest in joining me for the weekend. I was going to give him the exact dates, but forgot. > > No problem, the FOT list has a searchable archive. So I go to the archive, type '2020 Kastner Cup' in the search box, and get 0 matches. Not even 1. Odd. Maybe the archiving program I am using is not the greatest. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Dec 3 07:00:41 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 08:00:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons Message-ID: FOT, Does anyone buy JE 89mm pistons? If not, where do you get them? I have a friend in France who is looking for 12 of them. Thank you. http://www.jepistons.com/Catalogs/Automotive/Index.aspx Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Dec 3 07:42:28 2019 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 14:42:28 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I always bought my JE pistons directly from JE. Scott (B.) -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 8:01 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons FOT, Does anyone buy JE 89mm pistons? If not, where do you get them? I have a friend in France who is looking for 12 of them. Thank you. https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jepistons.com%2FCatalogs%2FAutomotive%2FIndex.aspx&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ce9ddba7ed57e4055592808d777f98290%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637109785841496186&sdata=GimoZIT60LacPqvGv0%2Be4bB%2FQp05DIg7ygjEPcbN1Mo%3D&reserved=0 Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing.com&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ce9ddba7ed57e4055592808d777f98290%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637109785841501184&sdata=7lSZiUS%2FEvPch6zMGAAXEDlNaS%2FZmMqDRNYu3kFhRwg%3D&reserved=0 Donate: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fdonate.html&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ce9ddba7ed57e4055592808d777f98290%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637109785841501184&sdata=KxH7r%2Bq0VKmTYMnF1U6LI6SB9Dm0OV5ZFjIkVNUaD7s%3D&reserved=0 Archive: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Farchive&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ce9ddba7ed57e4055592808d777f98290%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637109785841501184&sdata=dXUu4mRbgp6mJXhUO7ky7kJbJO%2FnH%2BUvfDgEUfqKYxA%3D&reserved=0 https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fpipermail%2Ffot&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ce9ddba7ed57e4055592808d777f98290%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637109785841501184&sdata=pSN7oJ0VVYdzCXuzumnqN7zfTKCqrzbZyvWkusmVlBU%3D&reserved=0 Unsubscribe/Manage: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fsbarr%40mccarty-law.com&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ce9ddba7ed57e4055592808d777f98290%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637109785841501184&sdata=G5wwPC%2BdUjKm9Ri3GLI0yIv1hdA3dclKhIMOs4cdV5I%3D&reserved=0 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Dec 3 09:40:56 2019 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (JAMES GRAY) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 09:40:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <179246572.408622.1575391256851@connect.xfinity.com> Wiseco makes all my pistons, I use pop ups and they will give me any size dome I want. Sue Nash has been great to work with. I've always bought them through BFE but technical coordination has been between myself and Sue. Nash, Sue Jim G. > On December 3, 2019 at 7:00 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > > FOT, > > Does anyone buy JE 89mm pistons? > If not, where do you get them? > > I have a friend in France who is looking for 12 of them. > > Thank you. > > http://www.jepistons.com/Catalogs/Automotive/Index.aspx > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Dec 3 11:09:42 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 13:09:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons In-Reply-To: <179246572.408622.1575391256851@connect.xfinity.com> References: <179246572.408622.1575391256851@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <09c42646-7023-fa08-69c9-a86fca9094b1@verizon.net> I think Wiseco ans JE are located in the same building east of Cleveland. They are competitors but also work together on projects. I got a tour one day; spectacular shop. Cheers Bill On 12/3/2019 11:40 AM, JAMES GRAY via Fot wrote: > Wiseco makes all my pistons, I use pop ups and they will give me any size dome I want. > Sue Nash has been great to work with. I've always bought them through BFE but technical > coordination has been between myself and Sue. Nash, Sue > > Jim G. > > > >> On December 3, 2019 at 7:00 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> >> FOT, >> >> Does anyone buy JE 89mm pistons? >> If not, where do you get them? >> >> I have a friend in France who is looking for 12 of them. >> >> Thank you. >> >> http://www.jepistons.com/Catalogs/Automotive/Index.aspx >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Dec 3 12:45:25 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 11:45:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons In-Reply-To: <09c42646-7023-fa08-69c9-a86fca9094b1@verizon.net> References: <09c42646-7023-fa08-69c9-a86fca9094b1@verizon.net> Message-ID: JE is located right around the corner from my office in Cypress CA... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 3, 2019, at 10:09 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > ?I think Wiseco ans JE are located in the same building east of Cleveland. They are competitors but also work together on projects. > > I got a tour one day; spectacular shop. > > Cheers Bill > >> On 12/3/2019 11:40 AM, JAMES GRAY via Fot wrote: >> Wiseco makes all my pistons, I use pop ups and they will give me any size dome I want. >> Sue Nash has been great to work with. I've always bought them through BFE but technical >> coordination has been between myself and Sue. Nash, Sue >> >> Jim G. >> >> >> >>>> On December 3, 2019 at 7:00 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> FOT, >>> >>> Does anyone buy JE 89mm pistons? >>> If not, where do you get them? >>> >>> I have a friend in France who is looking for 12 of them. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> http://www.jepistons.com/Catalogs/Automotive/Index.aspx >>> >>> >>> Joe Alexander >>> 4505 Donald Dr >>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >>> The-vintage-racer.com >>> Gasketinnovations.com >>> Cell: 319.464.4711 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Dec 3 13:29:00 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 12:29:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons In-Reply-To: <09c42646-7023-fa08-69c9-a86fca9094b1@verizon.net> References: <179246572.408622.1575391256851@connect.xfinity.com> <09c42646-7023-fa08-69c9-a86fca9094b1@verizon.net> Message-ID: <164588884.214377.1575404941082@connect.xfinity.com> JE purchased Wiseco from the Kipp family. Mentor, Ohio. I think I called Wiseco fairly recently and they answered the phone as JE. Tom Kipp was a top tier AMA motorcycle racer back in the '90s-2000s. I grew up very near the town of Mentor. Dave H. > On December 3, 2019 at 10:09 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > > I think Wiseco ans JE are located in the same building east of > Cleveland. They are competitors but also work together on projects. > > I got a tour one day; spectacular shop. > > Cheers Bill > > On 12/3/2019 11:40 AM, JAMES GRAY via Fot wrote: > > Wiseco makes all my pistons, I use pop ups and they will give me any size dome I want. > > Sue Nash has been great to work with. I've always bought them through BFE but technical > > coordination has been between myself and Sue. Nash, Sue > > > > Jim G. > > > > > > > >> On December 3, 2019 at 7:00 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > >> > >> > >> FOT, > >> > >> Does anyone buy JE 89mm pistons? > >> If not, where do you get them? > >> > >> I have a friend in France who is looking for 12 of them. > >> > >> Thank you. > >> > >> http://www.jepistons.com/Catalogs/Automotive/Index.aspx > >> > >> > >> Joe Alexander > >> 4505 Donald Dr > >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > >> The-vintage-racer.com > >> Gasketinnovations.com > >> Cell: 319.464.4711 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Dec 3 13:40:10 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 15:40:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons In-Reply-To: References: <09c42646-7023-fa08-69c9-a86fca9094b1@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8332ff02-10be-aba5-de7e-4b87f544ba7f@verizon.net> That's correct. But they are manufactured in Kirtland Ohio in the same plant as Wiseco. Just talked to Wiseco. Cheers Bill OBTW: Sue Nash has been there about 40 years! On 12/3/2019 2:45 PM, Brad Eells wrote: > JE is located right around the corner from my office in Cypress CA... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 3, 2019, at 10:09 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >> >> ?I think Wiseco ans JE are located in the same building east of Cleveland. They are competitors but also work together on projects. >> >> I got a tour one day; spectacular shop. >> >> Cheers Bill >> >>> On 12/3/2019 11:40 AM, JAMES GRAY via Fot wrote: >>> Wiseco makes all my pistons, I use pop ups and they will give me any size dome I want. >>> Sue Nash has been great to work with. I've always bought them through BFE but technical >>> coordination has been between myself and Sue. Nash, Sue >>> >>> Jim G. >>> >>> >>> >>>>> On December 3, 2019 at 7:00 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> FOT, >>>> >>>> Does anyone buy JE 89mm pistons? >>>> If not, where do you get them? >>>> >>>> I have a friend in France who is looking for 12 of them. >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> http://www.jepistons.com/Catalogs/Automotive/Index.aspx >>>> >>>> >>>> Joe Alexander >>>> 4505 Donald Dr >>>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >>>> The-vintage-racer.com >>>> Gasketinnovations.com >>>> Cell: 319.464.4711 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Dec 3 13:40:10 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 15:40:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons In-Reply-To: References: <09c42646-7023-fa08-69c9-a86fca9094b1@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8332ff02-10be-aba5-de7e-4b87f544ba7f@verizon.net> That's correct. But they are manufactured in Kirtland Ohio in the same plant as Wiseco. Just talked to Wiseco. Cheers Bill OBTW: Sue Nash has been there about 40 years! On 12/3/2019 2:45 PM, Brad Eells wrote: > JE is located right around the corner from my office in Cypress CA... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 3, 2019, at 10:09 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >> >> ?I think Wiseco ans JE are located in the same building east of Cleveland. They are competitors but also work together on projects. >> >> I got a tour one day; spectacular shop. >> >> Cheers Bill >> >>> On 12/3/2019 11:40 AM, JAMES GRAY via Fot wrote: >>> Wiseco makes all my pistons, I use pop ups and they will give me any size dome I want. >>> Sue Nash has been great to work with. I've always bought them through BFE but technical >>> coordination has been between myself and Sue. Nash, Sue >>> >>> Jim G. >>> >>> >>> >>>>> On December 3, 2019 at 7:00 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> FOT, >>>> >>>> Does anyone buy JE 89mm pistons? >>>> If not, where do you get them? >>>> >>>> I have a friend in France who is looking for 12 of them. >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> http://www.jepistons.com/Catalogs/Automotive/Index.aspx >>>> >>>> >>>> Joe Alexander >>>> 4505 Donald Dr >>>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >>>> The-vintage-racer.com >>>> Gasketinnovations.com >>>> Cell: 319.464.4711 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Dec 7 06:44:41 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 13:44:41 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update Message-ID: Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 back. 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There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 back. 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I hold full rights to the Spitfire & GT6 Magazine name and likeness, so I give you permission to use for entertainment purposes. I DO, however ask that you not copy them and sell them. I have decided that is not how I want this to work. If you know anyone that can benefit from or would like to see these issues, simply direct them here or share the files with them that you have copied. These and the website are here to help and not to be profited from any longer. We are here to inspire and get those cars back on the road. I hope this helps in that campaign... Merry Christmas! Website: www.triumphspitfire.com Magazine Dropbox files: https://www.dropbox.com/?/3xpfe4?/AACpBcZo69Ws1F4EsdIfo-hDa? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Mon Dec 9 08:37:57 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 10:37:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only $100 to sign up. Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and belts. Scott Janzen GT6 On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot wrote: Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Dec 9 10:57:01 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 17:57:01 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June. Marty ________________________________ From: Scott Janzen Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM To: marty Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only $100 to sign up. Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and belts. Scott Janzen GT6 On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot > wrote: Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Mon Dec 9 11:20:40 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 13:20:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6CE6B8CF-8E26-4770-AF73-AD621FF5019E@me.com> Mike Harmuth just advised me that FIA dating is based on the calendar year, so send it out in a few weeks so that your device gets dated 2020. On Dec 9, 2019, at 12:57 PM, marty via Fot wrote: Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June. Marty From: Scott Janzen > Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM To: marty > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only $100 to sign up. Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and belts. Scott Janzen GT6 On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot > wrote: Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Mon Dec 9 13:25:52 2019 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 15:25:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Likewise, my hand was out of date. Tech was going to note my log book, but there was someone selling gear authorized to recertify, not cheep, but saved shipping back and forth On Mon, Dec 9, 2019, 1:00 PM marty via Fot wrote: > Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins > Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all > my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head > and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version > you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for > recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June. > > Marty > ------------------------------ > *From:* Scott Janzen > *Sent:* Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM > *To:* marty > *Cc:* 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update > > signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only > $100 to sign up. > Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and > belts. > > Scott Janzen > GT6 > > On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot wrote: > > Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes > for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling > into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month > hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 > Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some > will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT > list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup > races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I > have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we > will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log > onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. > Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to > start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 > back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for > the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA > is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Dec 9 13:28:46 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 21:28:46 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <000e01d5aecf$4284cb40$c78e61c0$@gmail.com> Hi Guys, my HANS doesn't has a expire date on it. Means it lasts forever? Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von marty via Fot Gesendet: Montag, 9. Dezember 2019 18:57 Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Betreff: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June. Marty _____ From: Scott Janzen > Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM To: marty > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it's only $100 to sign up. Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and belts. Scott Janzen GT6 On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot > wrote: Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at artwithcars.com Mon Dec 9 14:16:20 2019 From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 13:16:20 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear In-Reply-To: <000e01d5aecf$4284cb40$c78e61c0$@gmail.com> References: <000e01d5aecf$4284cb40$c78e61c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: They require recertification after a certain interval (five years?) I sent mine to Simpson and they replace the straps. It was $65 ~Steve > On Dec 9, 2019, at 12:29 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi Guys, > > my HANS doesn?t has a expire date on it. Means it lasts forever? > > Cheers > Chris > > > > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von marty via Fot > Gesendet: Montag, 9. Dezember 2019 18:57 > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear > > Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June. > > Marty > From: Scott Janzen > Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM > To: marty > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update > > signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only $100 to sign up. > Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and belts. > > Scott Janzen > GT6 > > On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot wrote: > > Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/steve at artwithcars.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Dec 9 14:21:07 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 22:21:07 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear In-Reply-To: References: <000e01d5aecf$4284cb40$c78e61c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001701d5aed6$92b4e260$b81ea720$@gmail.com> Over the years, mine HANS has passed scrutineering in whole Europe. It is in use since I think 2012 or something? Cheers Chris Von: Steven Belfer Gesendet: Montag, 9. Dezember 2019 22:16 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: fot at autox. team. net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear They require recertification after a certain interval (five years?) I sent mine to Simpson and they replace the straps. It was $65 ~Steve On Dec 9, 2019, at 12:29 PM, Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: ? Hi Guys, my HANS doesn?t has a expire date on it. Means it lasts forever? Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von marty via Fot Gesendet: Montag, 9. Dezember 2019 18:57 Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June. Marty _____ From: Scott Janzen > Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM To: marty > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only $100 to sign up. Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and belts. Scott Janzen GT6 On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot > wrote: Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/steve at artwithcars.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Mon Dec 9 14:40:00 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 16:40:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear In-Reply-To: <000e01d5aecf$4284cb40$c78e61c0$@gmail.com> References: <000e01d5aecf$4284cb40$c78e61c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Christian, mine is the same. It was built before the FIA adopted a standard. It is good forever, (kind of like SPAM) from a sanctioning body point of view, it has no expiration date explicitly listed. But, I found out the helmet straps do have a date on them and a fixed lifetime .SCCA, my normal run group, doesn't check them as long as the HANS frame is in compliance. SVRA does look and I had to buy a new tether at the track. I have an original HANS brand device, I can't speak to the requirements or limitations on other manufacture's hardware. mike h On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 3:29 PM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > Hi Guys, > > > > my HANS doesn?t has a expire date on it. Means it lasts forever? > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > > > *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *marty via Fot > *Gesendet:* Montag, 9. Dezember 2019 18:57 > *Cc:* 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > *Betreff:* [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear > > > > Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins > Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all > my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head > and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version > you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for > recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June. > > > > Marty > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Scott Janzen > *Sent:* Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM > *To:* marty > *Cc:* 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update > > > > signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only > $100 to sign up. > > Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and > belts. > > > > Scott Janzen > > GT6 > > > > On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot wrote: > > > > Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes > for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling > into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month > hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 > Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some > will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT > list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup > races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I > have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we > will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log > onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. > Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to > start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 > back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for > the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA > is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! > > > > Marty Sukey > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Dec 9 16:39:57 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 23:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear References: <21644317.3511894.1575934797174.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <21644317.3511894.1575934797174@mail.yahoo.com> Note the language used by SVRA for fire systems: On Board Fire Suppression Systems and Fire Extinguishers shall be maintained according the manufacture?s recommendations.? This is similar to the SCCA. For systems bearing an SFI label, this means they need to be tested every two years. ? Dates are month-specific and shown on the label on the bottle. ?Sometimes this is enforced, sometimes not.? The small handheld fire extinguishers typically used (where allowed) in race cars often have ?no periodic maintenance schedule on them. ?Note that the National Fire Protection Association indicates a life expectancy of 12 to 15 years. ? Phil -----Original Message----- From: Mike Harmuth via Fot To: Christian Marx Cc: fot at autox. team. net Sent: Mon, Dec 9, 2019 4:41 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear Hi Christian, mine is the same. It was built before the FIA adopted a standard. It is good forever, (kind of like SPAM) from a sanctioning body point of view, it has no expiration date explicitly listed. But, I found out the helmet straps do have a date on them and a fixed lifetime .SCCA, my normal run group, doesn't check them as long as the HANS frame is in compliance. SVRA does look and I had to buy a new tether at the track.?I have an original?HANS brand device, I can't speak to the requirements or limitations on other manufacture's hardware. mike h On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 3:29 PM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: Hi Guys,?my HANS doesn?t has a expire date on it. Means it lasts forever??CheersChris???Von: Fot Im Auftrag von marty via Fot Gesendet: Montag, 9. Dezember 2019 18:57 Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Betreff: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear?Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June.?MartyFrom: Scott Janzen Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM To: marty Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update ?signed up. Easy.? If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only $100 to sign up. Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and belts.?Scott JanzenGT6?On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot wrote:?Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on? Sunday you will get your $100 back.? I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA is going assign us spots. 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Sometimes this is enforced, sometimes not. > > The small handheld fire extinguishers typically used (where allowed) in > race cars often have no periodic maintenance schedule on them. Note that > the National Fire Protection Association indicates a life expectancy of 12 > to 15 years. > > Phil > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Harmuth via Fot > To: Christian Marx > Cc: fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Mon, Dec 9, 2019 4:41 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear > > Hi Christian, mine is the same. It was built before the FIA adopted a > standard. It is good forever, (kind of like SPAM) from a sanctioning body > point of view, it has no expiration date explicitly listed. But, I found > out the helmet straps do have a date on them and a fixed lifetime .SCCA, my > normal run group, doesn't check them as long as the HANS frame is in > compliance. SVRA does look and I had to buy a new tether at the track. > I have an original HANS brand device, I can't speak to the requirements or > limitations on other manufacture's hardware. > > mike h > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 3:29 PM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > my HANS doesn?t has a expire date on it. Means it lasts forever? > > Cheers > Chris > > > > *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *marty via Fot > *Gesendet:* Montag, 9. Dezember 2019 18:57 > *Cc:* 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > *Betreff:* [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear > > Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins > Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all > my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head > and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version > you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for > recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June. > > Marty > ------------------------------ > *From:* Scott Janzen > *Sent:* Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM > *To:* marty > *Cc:* 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update > > signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only > $100 to sign up. > Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and > belts. > > Scott Janzen > GT6 > > On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot wrote: > > Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes > for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling > into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month > hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 > Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some > will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT > list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup > races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I > have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we > will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log > onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. > Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to > start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 > back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for > the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA > is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have already registered and it wont let me open my registration back up on line to see the exact wording but here is what I remember. When you click on the event registration link for this event on the SVRA web site you will get a drop down menu showing all the options. About three lines down there is a line for the Kastner Cup/ Feature race for $100. It states somewhere in that line that if you are a Triumph competitor that you only have to select that line item to be registered for the entire weekend. I hope that makes sense, and I hope I remember correctly. My receipt reflects that to be correct. Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Dec 13 13:38:02 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 20:38:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 7-1/4 dia Tilton Clutch Disc Message-ID: I purchased the set of three Tilton clutch disc that were posted on the list recently. It appears that Tilton mistakenly sent Mark 7/8 x 10 spline disc instead of 1 x 10spline disc. So I have 3 brand new still in the boxes 7-1/4 dia. Tilton clutch disc with a 7/8 x 10 spline core that I cannot use. These will work in a Tilton or Quartermaster clutch setup. The thickness is .104. If anybody can use them they are for sale for what I paid which is $250. This is like a $150 savings. I can ship them to you instead of Mark and save him the aggravation of relisting them. Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sun Dec 15 10:49:51 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 11:49:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK Message-ID: <63E7134C-64B7-40EF-A613-71E0C1B9BEE5@icloud.com> I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. Thanks Greg. http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 Sent from my iPhone From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Mon Dec 16 08:49:23 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 16:49:23 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK In-Reply-To: <63E7134C-64B7-40EF-A613-71E0C1B9BEE5@icloud.com> References: <63E7134C-64B7-40EF-A613-71E0C1B9BEE5@icloud.com> Message-ID: <157490412.165958881.1576511363767.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018". Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of machining. I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was always satisfied. Marcel. ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51 Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. Thanks Greg. http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at veral From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Dec 16 10:55:12 2019 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 17:55:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK In-Reply-To: <157490412.165958881.1576511363767.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <63E7134C-64B7-40EF-A613-71E0C1B9BEE5@icloud.com> <157490412.165958881.1576511363767.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <665770407.9348668.1576518912349@mail.yahoo.com> The liners distort a lot when torqued down, even 87mm.I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anything on them. Glen Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough? with the normal thickness? -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: Greg Blake Cc: fot Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018". Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough? with the normal thickness? Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of machining. I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was always satisfied. Marcel. ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51 Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. Thanks Greg.? http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at veral _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From horizonracing at msn.com Mon Dec 16 11:01:43 2019 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 18:01:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK In-Reply-To: <665770407.9348668.1576518912349@mail.yahoo.com> References: <63E7134C-64B7-40EF-A613-71E0C1B9BEE5@icloud.com> <157490412.165958881.1576511363767.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>, <665770407.9348668.1576518912349@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Regardless of who makes or supplies the liners , with the correct protrusion, the liner will hourglass . Only way to correct this is the use of a torque plate and then proceed with boring and honing to final finish size . Yes , a lot of work but you?ll get better ring seal and hopefully not stick a piston :-) Merry Christmas to all T Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:55 AM, fubog1 via Fot > wrote: The liners distort a lot when torqued down, even 87mm. I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anything on them. Glen Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > To: Greg Blake > Cc: fot > Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018". Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of machining. I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was always satisfied. Marcel. ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51 Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. Thanks Greg. http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at veral _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regardless of who makes or supplies the liners , with the correct protrusion, the liner will hourglass . > Only way to correct this is the use of a torque plate and then proceed with boring and honing to final finish size . > > Yes , a lot of work but you?ll get better ring seal and hopefully not stick a piston :-) > > Merry Christmas to all > T > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:55 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: >> >> The liners distort a lot when torqued down, even 87mm. >> I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anything on them. >> Glen >> Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot >> To: Greg Blake >> Cc: fot >> Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK >> >> The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018". >> Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? >> Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of machining. >> I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was always satisfied. >> Marcel. >> >> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- >> Van: "fot" >> Aan: "fot" >> Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51 >> Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK >> >> I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. >> >> Thanks >> Greg. >> >> >> http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at veral >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regardless of who makes or supplies the liners , with the correct protrusion, the liner will hourglass . > Only way to correct this is the use of a torque plate and then proceed with boring and honing to final finish size . > > Yes , a lot of work but you?ll get better ring seal and hopefully not stick a piston :-) > > Merry Christmas to all > T > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:55 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: >> >> The liners distort a lot when torqued down, even 87mm. >> I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anything on them. >> Glen >> Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot >> To: Greg Blake >> Cc: fot >> Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK >> >> The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018". >> Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? >> Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of machining. >> I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was always satisfied. >> Marcel. >> >> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- >> Van: "fot" >> Aan: "fot" >> Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51 >> Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK >> >> I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. >> >> Thanks >> Greg. >> >> >> http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at veral >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Mon Dec 16 13:39:00 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 21:39:00 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK In-Reply-To: <1692276380.167094310.1576528660491.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <38DA89D3-E0F4-4FBE-BE6C-E2FC6FCF028D@aol.com> <1692276380.167094310.1576528660491.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <735573868.167099712.1576528740280.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Phil Gott" Verzonden: Maandag 16 december 2019 21:37:40 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK That's why the copper gaskets are a bit thicker than the steel ones. The liners of Darryl are sitting a little bit lower (some 0.006 : probably not relevant?) and the block can be milled : that is surely an advantage to get a flat top face and the right protrusion of the liners everywhere. Few blocks are truly flat and in most cases the protrusion is not even everywhere. So I do agree that there is a lot to say for the longer liners that Daryll is selling, not only the 72 ? a set! Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Tony and Annie Garmey" Cc: "fot" , "fubog1" Verzonden: Maandag 16 december 2019 19:33:44 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK Daryl advocates decking the block as well To get proper protrusion. Eliminating the gasket reduces variation in protrusion due to variable gasket thicknesses, and also eliminates some of the possible loss of protrusion due to gasket compression ( more likely with copper than with steel). Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN BQ_END Regardless of who makes or supplies the liners , with the correct protrusion, the liner will hourglass . Only way to correct this is the use of a torque plate and then proceed with boring and honing to final finish size . Yes , a lot of work but you?ll get better ring seal and hopefully not stick a piston :-) Merry Christmas to all T Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:55 AM, fubog1 via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN The liners distort a lot when torqued down, even 87mm. I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anything on them. Glen BQ_BEGIN Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? BQ_END -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > To: Greg Blake < [ mailto:gblake58tr3 at icloud.com | gblake58tr3 at icloud.com ] > Cc: fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018". Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of machining. I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was always satisfied. Marcel. ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Aan: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51 Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. Thanks Greg. [ http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 | http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 ] Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at veral | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at veral ] _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com ] BQ_END BQ_BEGIN _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Dec 16 13:57:00 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 14:57:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK In-Reply-To: <735573868.167099712.1576528740280.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <38DA89D3-E0F4-4FBE-BE6C-E2FC6FCF028D@aol.com> <1692276380.167094310.1576528660491.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <735573868.167099712.1576528740280.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: I've seen blocks that were faced with a slope to one side. Could have been bad prior machine work or that the factory registered the deck surface to the figure eight's and not the oil pan surface. Bob Kramer On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 2:39 PM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"van mulders marcel" > *Aan: *"Phil Gott" > *Verzonden: *Maandag 16 december 2019 21:37:40 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall > Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK > > That's why the copper gaskets are a bit thicker than the steel ones. > The liners of Darryl are sitting a little bit lower (some 0.006 : probably > not relevant?) and the block can be milled : that is surely an advantage to > get a flat top face and the right protrusion of the liners everywhere. Few > blocks are truly flat and in most cases the protrusion is not even > everywhere. So I do agree that there is a lot to say for the longer liners > that Daryll is selling, not only the 72 ? a set! > Marcel > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"Tony and Annie Garmey" > *Cc: *"fot" , "fubog1" > *Verzonden: *Maandag 16 december 2019 19:33:44 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall > Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK > > Daryl advocates decking the block as well To get proper protrusion. > Eliminating the gasket reduces variation in protrusion due to variable > gasket thicknesses, and also eliminates some of the possible loss of > protrusion due to gasket compression ( more likely with copper than with > steel). > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 16, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > ? > > Regardless of who makes or supplies the liners , with the correct > protrusion, the liner will hourglass . > Only way to correct this is the use of a torque plate and then proceed > with boring and honing to final finish size . > > Yes , a lot of work but you?ll get better ring seal and hopefully not > stick a piston :-) > > Merry Christmas to all > T > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:55 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: > > The liners distort a lot when torqued down, even 87mm. > I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anything > on them. > Glen > > Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal > thickness? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > To: Greg Blake > Cc: fot > Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston > Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK > > The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018". > Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal > thickness? > Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of > machining. > I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was > always satisfied. > Marcel. > > ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- > Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51 > Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston > Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK > > I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used > these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. > > Thanks > Greg. > > > > http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at veral > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(DOT 5) Joe > On December 17, 2019 at 5:51 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > > Hey Friends > > Anyone testify to resilience of this Eastwood paint or Imron paint as far as resistance to brake fluid? > https://www.eastwood.com/promotions/autobody-specials.html?limit=all > > I'm going to clean up my firewall and would like to use something harder than the usual stuff. > > Cheers and Merry Christmas > Brian > > Brian Schirano > #26 Blue/White GT6 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards,Bob Lang On Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 7:51:50 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: Hey Friends Anyone testify to resilience?of this Eastwood paint or Imron paint as far as resistance to brake fluid?https://www.eastwood.com/promotions/autobody-specials.html?limit=all I'm going to clean up my firewall and would like to use something harder than the usual stuff.? Cheers and Merry ChristmasBrian Brian Schirano#26 Blue/White GT6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Tue Dec 17 19:57:31 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 21:57:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake fluid resistant paint In-Reply-To: <507655666.378660.1576633058852@mail.yahoo.com> References: <507655666.378660.1576633058852@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <97D67A4D-88BA-4572-9DA7-100966F1107A@aol.com> Funny: Years ago (late ?70s) my crew chief bought a bug eye painted with Imron. He wanted to change the color, but sanding the Imron proved tough going. So we used Castrol LMA brake fluid to slightly soften and roughen up the paint. It took off the gloss and provided a nice surface for bonding the primer. In due time the car was sold, but it was seen again two + decades later with the same paint job... Triumph Signal Red. So maybe Imron won?t resist brake fluid as well as you would like.... Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi, > > I can't speak for Imron or the Eastwood paint, but I've used catalyzed urethane like Nason 2k and I've been quite happy with it on the race car and I have spilled DOT 4 fluid on it and the paint did not discolor or peel as long as I wiped it right off. I also flush the surface with lots of water out of an abundance of caution. I would say that I'm pleasantly surprised, but also satisfied. So much so, I'm painting under the hood on the restoration I'm doing now with that Nason 2k urethane. > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > On Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 7:51:50 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > > > Hey Friends > > Anyone testify to resilience of this Eastwood paint or Imron paint as far as resistance to brake fluid? > https://www.eastwood.com/promotions/autobody-specials.html?limit=all > > I'm going to clean up my firewall and would like to use something harder than the usual stuff. > > Cheers and Merry Christmas > Brian > > Brian Schirano > #26 Blue/White GT6 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Tue Dec 17 19:57:31 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 21:57:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake fluid resistant paint In-Reply-To: <507655666.378660.1576633058852@mail.yahoo.com> References: <507655666.378660.1576633058852@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <97D67A4D-88BA-4572-9DA7-100966F1107A@aol.com> Funny: Years ago (late ?70s) my crew chief bought a bug eye painted with Imron. He wanted to change the color, but sanding the Imron proved tough going. So we used Castrol LMA brake fluid to slightly soften and roughen up the paint. It took off the gloss and provided a nice surface for bonding the primer. In due time the car was sold, but it was seen again two + decades later with the same paint job... Triumph Signal Red. So maybe Imron won?t resist brake fluid as well as you would like.... Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi, > > I can't speak for Imron or the Eastwood paint, but I've used catalyzed urethane like Nason 2k and I've been quite happy with it on the race car and I have spilled DOT 4 fluid on it and the paint did not discolor or peel as long as I wiped it right off. I also flush the surface with lots of water out of an abundance of caution. I would say that I'm pleasantly surprised, but also satisfied. So much so, I'm painting under the hood on the restoration I'm doing now with that Nason 2k urethane. > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > On Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 7:51:50 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > > > Hey Friends > > Anyone testify to resilience of this Eastwood paint or Imron paint as far as resistance to brake fluid? > https://www.eastwood.com/promotions/autobody-specials.html?limit=all > > I'm going to clean up my firewall and would like to use something harder than the usual stuff. > > Cheers and Merry Christmas > Brian > > Brian Schirano > #26 Blue/White GT6 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Dec 17 22:16:25 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 21:16:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] brake fluid resistant paint In-Reply-To: <97D67A4D-88BA-4572-9DA7-100966F1107A@aol.com> References: <97D67A4D-88BA-4572-9DA7-100966F1107A@aol.com> Message-ID: I think boiling points are the issue with DOT5 and racing applications: https://epicbleedsolutions.com/blogs/faq/whats-the-difference-between-dot-4-and-dot-5-1-brake-fluid Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > ?Funny: > Years ago (late ?70s) my crew chief bought a bug eye painted with Imron. He wanted to change the color, but sanding the Imron proved tough going. So we used Castrol LMA brake fluid to slightly soften and roughen up the paint. It took off the gloss and provided a nice surface for bonding the primer. In due time the car was sold, but it was seen again two + decades later with the same paint job... Triumph Signal Red. > So maybe Imron won?t resist brake fluid as well as you would like.... > Phil Gott > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Dec 17, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Hi, >> >> I can't speak for Imron or the Eastwood paint, but I've used catalyzed urethane like Nason 2k and I've been quite happy with it on the race car and I have spilled DOT 4 fluid on it and the paint did not discolor or peel as long as I wiped it right off. I also flush the surface with lots of water out of an abundance of caution. I would say that I'm pleasantly surprised, but also satisfied. So much so, I'm painting under the hood on the restoration I'm doing now with that Nason 2k urethane. >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> On Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 7:51:50 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Hey Friends >> >> Anyone testify to resilience of this Eastwood paint or Imron paint as far as resistance to brake fluid? >> https://www.eastwood.com/promotions/autobody-specials.html?limit=all >> >> I'm going to clean up my firewall and would like to use something harder than the usual stuff. >> >> Cheers and Merry Christmas >> Brian >> >> Brian Schirano >> #26 Blue/White GT6 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Dec 18 03:56:29 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:56:29 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] brake fluid resistant paint In-Reply-To: <1488945635.228300.1576631501317@myemail.cox.net> References: <1488945635.228300.1576631501317@myemail.cox.net> Message-ID: <875610039.177238212.1576666589420.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> There is some confusion about DOT 5 ; DOT 5 and DOT 5.1 are not the same : I believe DOT 5 is the silicone brakefluid : not suitable for racing, not because of the boiling point, but it is very difficult to expell all the air out of the brake lines : it takes a lot of time, it can't be done in one go and that is a problem of course when one needs to bleed the brakes during a race week-end. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Brian Schirano" , "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 18 december 2019 02:11:41 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] brake fluid resistant paint I prefer to use paint resistant brake fluid. (DOT 5) Joe On December 17, 2019 at 5:51 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: Hey Friends Anyone testify to resilience of this Eastwood paint or Imron paint as far as resistance to brake fluid? [ https://www.eastwood.com/promotions/autobody-specials.html?limit=all | https://www.eastwood.com/promotions/autobody-specials.html?limit=all ] I'm going to clean up my firewall and would like to use something harder than the usual stuff. 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URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Wed Dec 18 05:21:19 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 07:21:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK In-Reply-To: References: <38DA89D3-E0F4-4FBE-BE6C-E2FC6FCF028D@aol.com> <1692276380.167094310.1576528660491.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <735573868.167099712.1576528740280.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: I sent an inquiry to Racetorations concerning their no-gasket liners and received the following information from Darryl Uprichard. John, The liners at their interface with the block location holes do not require machining. The block in this area does. Just needs a* very light face* and at the same time ensuring that the liners will fit at a* true 90degrees to the head face.* Liner deck height to block should *ideally be .005".* .003" minimum. .007" maximum. Regards, Darryl. On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 3:57 PM Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > I've seen blocks that were faced with a slope to one side. Could have been > bad prior machine work or that the factory registered the deck surface to > the figure eight's and not the oil pan surface. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 2:39 PM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *Van: *"van mulders marcel" >> *Aan: *"Phil Gott" >> *Verzonden: *Maandag 16 december 2019 21:37:40 >> *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall >> Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK >> >> That's why the copper gaskets are a bit thicker than the steel ones. >> The liners of Darryl are sitting a little bit lower (some 0.006 : >> probably not relevant?) and the block can be milled : that is surely an >> advantage to get a flat top face and the right protrusion of the liners >> everywhere. Few blocks are truly flat and in most cases the protrusion is >> not even everywhere. So I do agree that there is a lot to say for the >> longer liners that Daryll is selling, not only the 72 ? a set! >> Marcel >> ------------------------------ >> *Van: *"fot" >> *Aan: *"Tony and Annie Garmey" >> *Cc: *"fot" , "fubog1" >> *Verzonden: *Maandag 16 december 2019 19:33:44 >> *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall >> Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK >> >> Daryl advocates decking the block as well To get proper protrusion. >> Eliminating the gasket reduces variation in protrusion due to variable >> gasket thicknesses, and also eliminates some of the possible loss of >> protrusion due to gasket compression ( more likely with copper than with >> steel). >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 16, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Regardless of who makes or supplies the liners , with the correct >> protrusion, the liner will hourglass . >> Only way to correct this is the use of a torque plate and then proceed >> with boring and honing to final finish size . >> >> Yes , a lot of work but you?ll get better ring seal and hopefully not >> stick a piston :-) >> >> Merry Christmas to all >> T >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:55 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: >> >> The liners distort a lot when torqued down, even 87mm. >> I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anything >> on them. >> Glen >> >> Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the >> normal thickness? >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot >> To: Greg Blake >> Cc: fot >> Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston >> Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK >> >> The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018". >> Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the >> normal thickness? >> Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of >> machining. >> I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was >> always satisfied. >> Marcel. >> >> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- >> Van: "fot" >> Aan: "fot" >> Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51 >> Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston >> Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK >> >> I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used >> these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. >> >> Thanks >> Greg. >> >> >> >> http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at veral >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lots of stuff going on behind the scenes > and I should be able to start sharing in a month or so. You will be glad > you came, I can say that much. All of you have a merry Christmas and a > wonderful 2020. Get to wrenching! > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Fri Dec 20 16:57:26 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 15:57:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP END OF DECEMBER POST In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1322157321.49852.1576886246310@connect.xfinity.com> Thanks for the update, Marty. That's fantastic news. With at least 60 cars penciled in and 6 months to go, this event will surely be EPIC! You are doing an excellent job. Thank you. Best of this holiday season to all, Dave H. > On December 20, 2019 at 3:05 PM marty via Fot wrote: > > Things are progressing for next years race. As we sit today we have a possible starting grid of 60 Triumphs, 7 are UK friends. (you are all registered, right?) If everybody shows up it should be a pretty darn amazing weekend. If you are planning on attending and haven't already let me know please shoot me an email. Lots of stuff going on behind the scenes and I should be able to start sharing in a month or so. You will be glad you came, I can say that much. All of you have a merry Christmas and a wonderful 2020. Get to wrenching! > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Sat Dec 21 07:05:26 2019 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2019 14:05:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP END OF DECEMBER POST In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1413680697.1421620.1576937126542@mail.yahoo.com> Only 29 Triumphs registered so far. Rick On Friday, December 20, 2019, 06:06:07 PM EST, marty via Fot wrote: #yiv8136431900 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Things are progressing for next years race. As we sit today we have a possible starting grid of 60 Triumphs, 7 are UK friends. (you are all registered, right?) If everybody shows up it should be a pretty darn amazing weekend. If you are planning on attending and haven't already let me know please shoot me an email. Lots of stuff going on behind the scenes and I should be able to start sharing in a month or so. You will be glad you came, I can say that much.? All of you have a merry Christmas and a wonderful 2020. Get to wrenching! Marty Sukey_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Sat Dec 21 07:46:53 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2019 08:46:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP END OF DECEMBER POST In-Reply-To: <1413680697.1421620.1576937126542@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1413680697.1421620.1576937126542@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <81B49E89-9D0E-469D-8508-4D5D084F71FC@gmail.com> I registered yesterday. I figured it was time to get on the list and see if I can get my car number. Almost never happens but the early bird ......... Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 21, 2019, at 8:05 AM, Rick Parent via Fot wrote: > > ? > Only 29 Triumphs registered so far. > > Rick > > On Friday, December 20, 2019, 06:06:07 PM EST, marty via Fot wrote: > > > Things are progressing for next years race. As we sit today we have a possible starting grid of 60 Triumphs, 7 are UK friends. (you are all registered, right?) If everybody shows up it should be a pretty darn amazing weekend. If you are planning on attending and haven't already let me know please shoot me an email. Lots of stuff going on behind the scenes and I should be able to start sharing in a month or so. You will be glad you came, I can say that much. All of you have a merry Christmas and a wonderful 2020. 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I also got the following conformation From Rick Parent cheif tech at SVRA "we always make a way to incorporate different prep level cars on feature weekends, it's good for the fans as well as the competitors, we even make spots for SCCA prepped cars so don't let that stop you from inviting them, should be a great event! as a reminder all cars must be race cars with all the proper safety items up to date, must have fuel cells and all drivers must have competition driving licenses" . So make sure your safety gear is up to date and come on down. Marty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Sat Dec 21 08:52:01 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2019 10:52:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP END OF DECEMBER POST In-Reply-To: <81B49E89-9D0E-469D-8508-4D5D084F71FC@gmail.com> References: <1413680697.1421620.1576937126542@mail.yahoo.com> <81B49E89-9D0E-469D-8508-4D5D084F71FC@gmail.com> Message-ID: I wish SVRA would publish their entry list in real time like other clubs. I like to see who has entered in advance instead of the week of the races. On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 9:47 AM Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > I registered yesterday. I figured it was time to get on the list and see > if I can get my car number. Almost never happens but the early bird > ......... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 21, 2019, at 8:05 AM, Rick Parent via Fot > wrote: > > ? > Only 29 Triumphs registered so far. > > Rick > > On Friday, December 20, 2019, 06:06:07 PM EST, marty via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Things are progressing for next years race. As we sit today we have a > possible starting grid of 60 Triumphs, 7 are UK friends. (you are all > registered, right?) If everybody shows up it should be a pretty darn > amazing weekend. If you are planning on attending and haven't already let > me know please shoot me an email. Lots of stuff going on behind the scenes > and I should be able to start sharing in a month or so. You will be glad > you came, I can say that much. All of you have a merry Christmas and a > wonderful 2020. Get to wrenching! > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Dec 21 11:25:32 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2019 18:25:32 +0000 Subject: [Fot] More Last Kastner Cup Update For The Year In-Reply-To: <042501d5b824$8f5a4950$ae0edbf0$@btinternet.com> References: , <042501d5b824$8f5a4950$ae0edbf0$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: If you have questions about your car eligibility I suggest the first step being taking a look at the rules on the SVRA website. Then contact Rick Parent, chief tech, eligibility guru and all around nice guy for official advice. I have copied him on this email so you will all have his email address. Rick has been very responsive to all questions. I'm under the impression that you will be allowed to run IF your car meets safety requirements. Please feel free to contact Rick early though. Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tarch1961935 at gmail.com Fri Dec 20 19:44:13 2019 From: tarch1961935 at gmail.com (Richard Taylor) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 21:44:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP END OF DECEMBER POST In-Reply-To: <1322157321.49852.1576886246310@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1322157321.49852.1576886246310@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <1D636207-6466-41EC-B4DA-D58188D2A0C7@gmail.com> Marty, Pencil me in. I?ve got a few friends thinking it?s time for me to win the Big One, and they?re helping get old 196 (TR-4) cookin. Of course they want to trailer it to Ohio, but we?ll work that out. This is pretty exciting stuff! Richard L.Taylor, Jr., FAIA > On Dec 20, 2019, at 6:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > Thanks for the update, Marty. That's fantastic news. With at least 60 cars penciled in and 6 months to go, this event will surely be EPIC! You are doing an excellent job. Thank you. > Best of this holiday season to all, > Dave H. >> On December 20, 2019 at 3:05 PM marty via Fot wrote: >> >> Things are progressing for next years race. As we sit today we have a possible starting grid of 60 Triumphs, 7 are UK friends. (you are all registered, right?) If everybody shows up it should be a pretty darn amazing weekend. If you are planning on attending and haven't already let me know please shoot me an email. Lots of stuff going on behind the scenes and I should be able to start sharing in a month or so. You will be glad you came, I can say that much. All of you have a merry Christmas and a wonderful 2020. 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URL: From kknight at klaenv.com Sun Dec 22 10:47:04 2019 From: kknight at klaenv.com (Kenneth Knight) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 09:47:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs Message-ID: <001101d5b8ef$d2a438d0$77ecaa70$@klaenv.com> Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas to All; CBS Sports Network has been running the SCCA runoffs from VIR. Check your service for the times as it looks like they are running them as filler for the Holidays. Cheers, Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sun Dec 22 11:39:29 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 18:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs References: <123096228.2565060.1577039969605.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <123096228.2565060.1577039969605@mail.yahoo.com> GOOD STUFF. ?Thanks. Have you ever raced there? Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Sunday, December 22, 2019,?Kenneth Knight via Fot??wrote: Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas to All; ? CBS Sports Network has been running the SCCA runoffs from VIR.? Check your service for the times as it looks like they are running them as filler for the Holidays. ? Cheers, Ken _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanb at alanberrydesign.com Sun Dec 22 11:40:06 2019 From: alanb at alanberrydesign.com (Alan Berry) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 10:40:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SCCA Runoffs In-Reply-To: <001101d5b8ef$d2a438d0$77ecaa70$@klaenv.com> References: <001101d5b8ef$d2a438d0$77ecaa70$@klaenv.com> Message-ID: Thanks Ken. So much better than boring football! On Sun, Dec 22, 2019, 9:47 AM Kenneth Knight via Fot wrote: > Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas to All; > > > > CBS Sports Network has been running the SCCA runoffs from VIR. Check your > service for the times as it looks like they are running them as filler for > the Holidays. > > > > Cheers, Ken > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alanb at alanberrydesign.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Dec 22 16:21:45 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 23:21:45 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Steve Adams Nomination Message-ID: I would like to nominate Steve Adams to our group of nut jobs. Steve is a Spitfire racer from the UK and is planning on shipping his car over to run the Kastner Cup in June. His email is steveadams55 at sky.com. Can I get a second? 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Marty_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Dec 22 17:39:32 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 19:39:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Steve Adams Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FCE1869-7C8F-4482-9BB5-2B167C8A50A8@aol.com> Second! Such dedication! Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 22, 2019, at 6:22 PM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > I would like to nominate Steve Adams to our group of nut jobs. Steve is a Spitfire racer from the UK and is planning on shipping his car over to run the Kastner Cup in June. His email is steveadams55 at sky.com. Can I get a second? > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Dec 22 17:39:32 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 19:39:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Steve Adams Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FCE1869-7C8F-4482-9BB5-2B167C8A50A8@aol.com> Second! Such dedication! Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 22, 2019, at 6:22 PM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > I would like to nominate Steve Adams to our group of nut jobs. Steve is a Spitfire racer from the UK and is planning on shipping his car over to run the Kastner Cup in June. His email is steveadams55 at sky.com. Can I get a second? > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brakey6666 at gmail.com Mon Dec 23 20:05:01 2019 From: brakey6666 at gmail.com (Glenn Franco) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 22:05:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing Message-ID: Merry Christmas Quick Question A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor. I've seen this done by spinning the transmission INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive? Thanks in advance Glenn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Tue Dec 24 06:13:16 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 14:13:16 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Steve Adams Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1420432845.217798843.1577193196069.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Second for sure. I've met Steve a couple of times at the Spa Francorchamps circuit. A great character and pleasant company. At that time he was racing a TR4. Some years ago I sold him a brand new stroker crankshaft for his TR4 racer : billet steel and 94mm stroke! The TrCompetition championship does not allow non standard stroke. I asked it after the crankshaft was ready. I wonder what happened with that crankshaft, I believe Steve didn't use it either. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" , "Steve Adams" Verzonden: Maandag 23 december 2019 00:21:45 Onderwerp: [Fot] Steve Adams Nomination I would like to nominate Steve Adams to our group of nut jobs. Steve is a Spitfire racer from the UK and is planning on shipping his car over to run the Kastner Cup in June. His email is steveadams55 at sky.com . Can I get a second? Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 24 09:25:28 2019 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 16:25:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1291346054.3797440.1577204728676@mail.yahoo.com> I have tested overdrives like this for years.? My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed.? Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. Jack On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: Merry ChristmasQuick QuestionA friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor.I've seen this done by spinning the transmission?INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear.Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive?Thanks in advanceGlenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Tue Dec 24 09:51:30 2019 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 16:51:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <1291346054.3797440.1577204728676@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1291346054.3797440.1577204728676@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. ?(Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. ? I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? ?Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! Thanks,Dave Gott 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I have tested overdrives like this for years.? My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed.? Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. Jack On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: Merry ChristmasQuick QuestionA friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor.I've seen this done by spinning the transmission?INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear.Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive?Thanks in advanceGlenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Tue Dec 24 10:47:38 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 11:47:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. (Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. > > Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? > > Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! > > Thanks, > Dave Gott > 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > I have tested overdrives like this for years. My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed. Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. > > Jack > > On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: > > > Merry Christmas > Quick Question > A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor. > I've seen this done by spinning the transmission INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. > Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive? > Thanks in advance > Glenn > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Tue Dec 24 11:49:53 2019 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 18:49:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? ? Probably my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... ? I was thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised now that I bring up that question. ? Has anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? Dave G Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake wrote: If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi.? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ?I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. ?(Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. ? I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? ?Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! Thanks,Dave Gott 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I have tested overdrives like this for years.? My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed.? Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. Jack On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: Merry ChristmasQuick QuestionA friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor.I've seen this done by spinning the transmission?INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear.Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive?Thanks in advanceGlenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Dec 24 12:01:44 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 13:01:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5b8e3c7e-6cd4-566f-7838-364172f78cb5@tonydrews.com> I didn't spin but I did lock up one rear wheel with a Detroit Locker diff.? Large bang, it didn't like that.? Detroit Locker was OK, but the one way clutch / roller arrangement in the OD broke into multiple pieces.? What's funny is that it still worked perfectly.? I had some debris fall out later when I changed the tranny oil so I took the OD apart and the inner part of the one way roller assembly came out in 3 or 4 pieces. Cheers, Tony On 12/24/2019 12:49 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens > if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? ? Probably my biggest > concern for running one of these in a race car... ? I was thinking I?d > use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised > now that I bring up that question. ? Has anyone ever spun and rolled > backwards, with OD engaged? > > Dave G > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake > wrote: > > If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the > accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric >> drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. >> ?(Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th >> gear. ? I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 >> psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. >> >> Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not >> have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m >> assuming this might be an issue? ?Or would a load coax the OD to >> releasing as appropriate? >> >> Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! >> >> Thanks, >> Dave Gott >> 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot >> wrote: >> >> I have tested overdrives like this for years.? My drive motor >> only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output >> shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be >> spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed. >> Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in >> the wrong direction. >> >> Jack >> >> On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco >> via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Merry Christmas >> Quick Question >> A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by >> back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a >> pulley and electric motor. >> I've seen this done by spinning the transmission?INPUT shaft >> with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. >> Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning >> clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it >> lock up the overdrive? >> Thanks in advance >> Glenn >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Tue Dec 24 12:18:36 2019 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 19:18:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com>, <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yep...brake & clutch to the floor... also can be wired to disengage ... ask Steve Yott... Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 1:50 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ? Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? Probably my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... I was thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised now that I bring up that question. Has anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? Dave G Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake wrote: If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. (Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! Thanks, Dave Gott 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I have tested overdrives like this for years. My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed. Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. Jack On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: Merry Christmas Quick Question A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor. I've seen this done by spinning the transmission INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive? Thanks in advance Glenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 24 13:48:37 2019 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 20:48:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <5b8e3c7e-6cd4-566f-7838-364172f78cb5@tonydrews.com> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> <5b8e3c7e-6cd4-566f-7838-364172f78cb5@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <122714626.3882401.1577220517950@mail.yahoo.com> I always said those things were stout.? Raced one for 25 years without a failure. Jack On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 2:21:33 PM EST, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: I didn't spin but I did lock up one rear wheel with a Detroit Locker diff.? Large bang, it didn't like that.? Detroit Locker was OK, but the one way clutch / roller arrangement in the OD broke into multiple pieces.? What's funny is that it still worked perfectly.? I had some debris fall out later when I changed the tranny oil so I took the OD apart and the inner part of the one way roller assembly came out in 3 or 4 pieces. Cheers, Tony On 12/24/2019 12:49 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? ? Probably my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... ? I was thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised now that I bring up that question. ? Has anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? Dave G Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake wrote: If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi.? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. ?(Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. ? I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? ?Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! Thanks, Dave Gott 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I have tested overdrives like this for years.? My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed.? Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. Jack On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: Merry Christmas Quick Question A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor. I've seen this done by spinning the transmission?INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive? 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URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Tue Dec 24 17:00:23 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 18:00:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. Always go two feet in. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 24, 2019, at 12:50 PM, David Gott wrote: > > ? Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? Probably my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... I was thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised now that I bring up that question. Has anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? > > Dave G > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake wrote: > > If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. (Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. >> >> Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? >> >> Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! >> >> Thanks, >> Dave Gott >> 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >> >> I have tested overdrives like this for years. My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed. Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. >> >> Jack >> >> On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Merry Christmas >> Quick Question >> A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor. >> I've seen this done by spinning the transmission INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. >> Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive? >> Thanks in advance >> Glenn >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Dec 24 17:07:16 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 19:07:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. Merry Christmas. Bill On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few > situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not > following this advice and they always come rolling across the track > backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few > unsuspecting racers along the way. ?Always go two feet in. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 24, 2019, at 12:50 PM, David Gott wrote: >> >> ? Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what >> happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? Probably my >> biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... ? I was >> thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is >> ill advised now that I bring up that question. ? Has anyone ever spun >> and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? >> >> Dave G >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake >> wrote: >> >> If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the >> accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric >>> drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. >>> ?(Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used >>> 4th gear. ? I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at >>> 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. >>> >>> Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not >>> have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m >>> assuming this might be an issue? ?Or would a load coax the OD to >>> releasing as appropriate? >>> >>> Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Dave Gott >>> 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot >>> wrote: >>> >>> I have tested overdrives like this for years.? My drive >>> motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the >>> output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft >>> would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward >>> speed.? Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you >>> spun it in the wrong direction. >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco >>> via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> Merry Christmas >>> Quick Question >>> A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by >>> back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a >>> pulley and electric motor. >>> I've seen this done by spinning the transmission?INPUT shaft >>> with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. >>> Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning >>> clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it >>> lock up the overdrive? >>> Thanks in advance >>> Glenn >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >> >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >> >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>> >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 24 19:03:58 2019 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 02:03:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1747094032.3953662.1577239438052@mail.yahoo.com> I can attest to that.? Just under the bridge at Road Atlanta (Runoffs 1993) a Porsche 914 spun in front of me, then came whipping across the track backwards, right in front of me.? At least 5 cars involved, and they red flagged the race.? I went both feet in and the overdrive was about the only piece of my car that remained in tact after that!? There are some videos around.? Ouch!! Jack On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 7:00:26 PM EST, Greg Blake wrote: Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. ?Always go two feet in.? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 12:50 PM, David Gott wrote: ?Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? ? Probably my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... ? I was thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised now that I bring up that question. ? Has anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? Dave G Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake wrote: If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi.? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ?I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. ?(Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. ? I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? ?Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! Thanks,Dave Gott 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I have tested overdrives like this for years.? My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed.? Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. Jack On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: Merry ChristmasQuick QuestionA friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor.I've seen this done by spinning the transmission?INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear.Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive?Thanks in advanceGlenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Wed Dec 25 10:13:25 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 11:13:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24613D88-5BD1-42E7-9B81-1795F758DAA9@icloud.com> One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c The MGB behind me was not so fortunate Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > ? > > Two feet in has its advantages > > https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. >> >> Merry Christmas. >> >> Bill >> >> On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>> Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. Always go two feet in. >>> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Wed Dec 25 11:41:45 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 13:41:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <24613D88-5BD1-42E7-9B81-1795F758DAA9@icloud.com> References: <24613D88-5BD1-42E7-9B81-1795F758DAA9@icloud.com> Message-ID: You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like " If you spin, they're towing you in" mike h On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. > > https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c > > The MGB behind me was not so fortunate > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot > wrote: > > ? > > Two feet in has its advantages > > https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot > wrote: > > ? > > Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet > down. > > Merry Christmas. > > Bill > On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations > where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice > and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an > unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the > way. Always go two feet in. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 25 11:50:03 2019 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 10:50:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3928918C-E694-49B3-AF69-4E80D2D76CE6@yahoo.com> Back when the ?blue bush? was installed, many of us no longer raced there... originally the fence was literally at the edge of the track surface all the way around the track. It was like racin in a blue alley...drop a wheel and total your car as it pinballed across the track. Never raced there again Nick I?m NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Dec 25, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > ? > You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like > " If you spin, they're towing you in" > > mike h > >> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. >> >> https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c >> >> The MGB behind me was not so fortunate >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> >>> Two feet in has its advantages >>> >>> https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. >>>> >>>> Merry Christmas. >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>>>> Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. Always go two feet in. >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 25 11:50:03 2019 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 10:50:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3928918C-E694-49B3-AF69-4E80D2D76CE6@yahoo.com> Back when the ?blue bush? was installed, many of us no longer raced there... originally the fence was literally at the edge of the track surface all the way around the track. It was like racin in a blue alley...drop a wheel and total your car as it pinballed across the track. Never raced there again Nick I?m NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Dec 25, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > ? > You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like > " If you spin, they're towing you in" > > mike h > >> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. >> >> https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c >> >> The MGB behind me was not so fortunate >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> >>> Two feet in has its advantages >>> >>> https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. >>>> >>>> Merry Christmas. >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>>>> Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. Always go two feet in. >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed Dec 25 12:13:05 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 19:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing References: <102172160.3529099.1577301185896.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <102172160.3529099.1577301185896@mail.yahoo.com> Mike... Great point.? Many years ago when I first started Vintage Racing, the tracks were 'forgiving'.? If you made a mistake, you spun off mowing the lawn or creating a dust cloud.? The only penalty was embarrassment.? I'll never forget then one first spring event I showed up for at Road America and it was like I was in a street race, surrounded by Century Link Fencing. I was told that as far as Road America was concerned CART had demanded it.? CART was afraid one of their cars would leap the cement barriers/snow fencing and crash into the crowd. ? No question that was a potential issue.? The change was a good idea...but drivers like me (prone to make errors) missed those 'forgiving' tracks. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Mike Harmuth via Fot To: Greg Blake Cc: FoTTriumph Sent: Wed, Dec 25, 2019 10:42 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like" If you spin, they're towing you in" mike h On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in.? https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c The MGB behind me was not so fortunate? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: ? Two feet in has its advantages? https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: ? Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. Merry Christmas. Bill On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way.? Always go two feet in.? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Wed Dec 25 12:31:00 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 12:31:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <102172160.3529099.1577301185896@mail.yahoo.com> References: <102172160.3529099.1577301185896.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <102172160.3529099.1577301185896@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <08200083-92d2-20e2-4cfc-78d2008faf3b@bradakis.com> What struck me the most about the video was the background. There is none.? I live in Salt Lake City. mjb. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: download (1).jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 14706 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Dec 25 12:39:17 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 20:39:17 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <3928918C-E694-49B3-AF69-4E80D2D76CE6@yahoo.com> References: <3928918C-E694-49B3-AF69-4E80D2D76CE6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001e01d5bb5a$ff35bbe0$fda133a0$@gmail.com> When I broke the front axle and blocked the left front wheel from that, I felt lucky that I made the car going round the corner to the front straight. Wouldn?t made me happy to touch any guard rails. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Nick Black via Fot Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Dezember 2019 19:50 An: Mike Harmuth Cc: FoTTriumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing Back when the ?blue bush? was installed, many of us no longer raced there... originally the fence was literally at the edge of the track surface all the way around the track. It was like racin in a blue alley...drop a wheel and total your car as it pinballed across the track. Never raced there again Nick I?m NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal On Dec 25, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: ? You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like " If you spin, they're towing you in" mike h On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c The MGB behind me was not so fortunate Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot > wrote: ? Two feet in has its advantages https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot > wrote: ? Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. Merry Christmas. Bill On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. Always go two feet in. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Dec 25 13:07:19 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 15:07:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <001e01d5bb5a$ff35bbe0$fda133a0$@gmail.com> References: <3928918C-E694-49B3-AF69-4E80D2D76CE6@yahoo.com> <001e01d5bb5a$ff35bbe0$fda133a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I had a front row seat to that event. Great job Chris but a disappointment for us all when you went out. JVV From: Chris Marx via Fot Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 2:39 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing When I broke the front axle and blocked the left front wheel from that, I felt lucky that I made the car going round the corner to the front straight. Wouldn?t made me happy to touch any guard rails. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Nick Black via Fot Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Dezember 2019 19:50 An: Mike Harmuth Cc: FoTTriumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing Back when the ?blue bush? was installed, many of us no longer raced there... originally the fence was literally at the edge of the track surface all the way around the track. It was like racin in a blue alley...drop a wheel and total your car as it pinballed across the track. Never raced there again Nick I?m NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal On Dec 25, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: ? You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like " If you spin, they're towing you in" mike h On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c The MGB behind me was not so fortunate Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: ? Two feet in has its advantages https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: ? Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. Merry Christmas. Bill On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. Always go two feet in. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Dec 25 13:39:25 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 21:39:25 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: <3928918C-E694-49B3-AF69-4E80D2D76CE6@yahoo.com> <001e01d5bb5a$ff35bbe0$fda133a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002501d5bb63$6626e880$3274b980$@gmail.com> Thank you Jerry. I?m also happy that I could move the car out of the way not to disturb the race too much. Was great watching you all. Cheers Chris Von: Jerry Van Vlack Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Dezember 2019 21:07 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox. team. net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing I had a front row seat to that event. Great job Chris but a disappointment for us all when you went out. JVV From: Chris Marx via Fot Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 2:39 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing When I broke the front axle and blocked the left front wheel from that, I felt lucky that I made the car going round the corner to the front straight. Wouldn?t made me happy to touch any guard rails. Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von Nick Black via Fot Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Dezember 2019 19:50 An: Mike Harmuth > Cc: FoTTriumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing Back when the ?blue bush? was installed, many of us no longer raced there... originally the fence was literally at the edge of the track surface all the way around the track. It was like racin in a blue alley...drop a wheel and total your car as it pinballed across the track. Never raced there again Nick I?m NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal On Dec 25, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: ? You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like " If you spin, they're towing you in" mike h On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c The MGB behind me was not so fortunate Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot > wrote: ? Two feet in has its advantages https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot > wrote: ? Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. Merry Christmas. Bill On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. Always go two feet in. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com _____ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Dec 25 14:25:09 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 13:25:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <24613D88-5BD1-42E7-9B81-1795F758DAA9@icloud.com> References: <24613D88-5BD1-42E7-9B81-1795F758DAA9@icloud.com> Message-ID: <843895922.85916.1577309110216@connect.xfinity.com> This is my first and only spin so far. I was very lucky this time. I did not go two in. As the car starts to rotate, I look to my left and, oh shit, Walt was coming close to my door, so I stabbed the throttle to keep the car rotating out of the way. You can hear a woo hoo from me after coming to a stop. Dave H. https://youtu.be/hxKBDyA_cEU > On December 25, 2019 at 9:13 AM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. > > https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c > > The MGB behind me was not so fortunate > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Two feet in has its advantages > > > > https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. > > > > > > Merry Christmas. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. Always go two feet in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Dec 25 18:57:29 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 01:57:29 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Brake and Clutch to the floor. In-Reply-To: References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com>, <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: If you go to the 6:47 point in this video you can see John showing off the brake and clutch to the floor technique. ? https://youtu.be/uyZNmn-5SpA Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of John H. Hasty via Fot Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 2:18 PM To: David Gott Cc: FOT List ; Glenn Franco Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing Yep...brake & clutch to the floor... also can be wired to disengage ... ask Steve Yott... Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 1:50 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ? Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? Probably my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... I was thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised now that I bring up that question. Has anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? Dave G Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake wrote: If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. (Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! Thanks, Dave Gott 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I have tested overdrives like this for years. My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed. Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. Jack On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: Merry Christmas Quick Question A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor. I've seen this done by spinning the transmission INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive? Thanks in advance Glenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Dec 25 22:38:51 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 23:38:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brake and Clutch to the floor. In-Reply-To: References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8c73d889-b88f-8fe9-225c-8dea0e448c70@tonydrews.com> Another two feet in video - skip to about 2:45.? This has nothing to do with the original Overdrive question, but shows how hard braking keeps the car from going in unpredictable directions... Took me a mental second to realize I wasn't going to catch this one, seems like much less than a second watching the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFQUYNxwIMI Cheers, Tony On 12/25/2019 7:57 PM, marty via Fot wrote: > If you go to the 6:47 point in this video you can see John showing off > the brake and clutch to the floor technique. ? > > https://youtu.be/uyZNmn-5SpA > > > Marty > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of John H. Hasty > via Fot > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 24, 2019 2:18 PM > *To:* David Gott > *Cc:* FOT List ; Glenn Franco > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing > Yep...brake & clutch to the floor... also can be wired to disengage > ... ask Steve Yott... > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 24, 2019, at 1:50 PM, David Gott via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what >> happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? ? Probably my >> biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... ? I was >> thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is >> ill advised now that I bring up that question. ? Has anyone ever spun >> and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? >> >> Dave G >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake >> wrote: >> >> If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the >> accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric >>> drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. >>> ?(Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used >>> 4th gear. ? I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at >>> 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. >>> >>> Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not >>> have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m >>> assuming this might be an issue? ?Or would a load coax the OD to >>> releasing as appropriate? >>> >>> Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Dave Gott >>> 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot >>> wrote: >>> >>> I have tested overdrives like this for years. My drive motor >>> only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output >>> shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be >>> spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed.? >>> Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in >>> the wrong direction. >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco >>> via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> Merry Christmas >>> Quick Question >>> A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by >>> back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a >>> pulley and electric motor. >>> I've seen this done by spinning the transmission?INPUT shaft >>> with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. >>> Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning >>> clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it >>> lock up the overdrive? >>> Thanks in advance >>> Glenn >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >> >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >> >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Dec 26 02:12:12 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 10:12:12 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Brake and Clutch to the floor. In-Reply-To: <8c73d889-b88f-8fe9-225c-8dea0e448c70@tonydrews.com> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> <8c73d889-b88f-8fe9-225c-8dea0e448c70@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <001801d5bbcc$8fb84b80$af28e280$@gmail.com> You did well Tony. I really don?t understand why people don?t lock their wheels when they spin. If the wheels are rolling on a spin the car is doing funny things and nobody can predict where the car will be in a second. With locked wheels the car is sliding in direction of inertia. See how the F1 drivers do it. They lock the wheels and wait for the car to STAND STILL before they release the brakes. Most of the worst accidents happen with spinning cars getting T-boned. The cause for this is no locked wheels until stand still. I don?t have good examples of myself as I spin rarely but maybe this one: Cold Tires. What I?m doing: I was at slow speed with no grip on the back end caused by very low temperatures (36F) at the morning. The back end stepped out and I slammed on the brakes. I saw the front heading for the tire wall. I found it too expensive to crash the front end so still full on the brakes I released the clutch and gave a sever dip on the throttle with the heal to turn the car against the direction I was coming. Brakes still on full lock until the car stood still. The situation was to a degree under control. Happily the car was parallel to the wall and didn?t touch by about 10? distance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRbIEeOSw4Y Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Tony Drews via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. Dezember 2019 06:39 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Brake and Clutch to the floor. Another two feet in video - skip to about 2:45. This has nothing to do with the original Overdrive question, but shows how hard braking keeps the car from going in unpredictable directions... Took me a mental second to realize I wasn't going to catch this one, seems like much less than a second watching the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFQUYNxwIMI Cheers, Tony On 12/25/2019 7:57 PM, marty via Fot wrote: If you go to the 6:47 point in this video you can see John showing off the brake and clutch to the floor technique. ? https://youtu.be/uyZNmn-5SpA Marty _____ From: Fot on behalf of John H. Hasty via Fot Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 2:18 PM To: David Gott Cc: FOT List ; Glenn Franco Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing Yep...brake & clutch to the floor... also can be wired to disengage ... ask Steve Yott... Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 1:50 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ? Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? Probably my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... I was thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised now that I bring up that question. Has anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? Dave G Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake wrote: If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. (Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! Thanks, Dave Gott 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I have tested overdrives like this for years. My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed. Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. Jack On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: Merry Christmas Quick Question A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor. I've seen this done by spinning the transmission INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive? Thanks in advance Glenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Dec 26 02:26:09 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 10:26:09 +0100 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001f01d5bbce$827d1430$87773c90$@gmail.com> Hi Dave, The OD can turn backwards, if one of the OD cone clutches are engaged. If the OD is in transfer stage between the cone clutches so that the roller clutch is engaged, then the OD explodes when turning backwards. BUT if on a spin the wheels are locked, the OD is never in danger to turn backwards because the wheels need to be locked until stand still. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von David Gott via Fot Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Dezember 2019 19:50 An: Greg Blake Cc: FOT List ; Glenn Franco Betreff: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? Probably my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... I was thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised now that I bring up that question. Has anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? Dave G -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Thu Dec 26 05:56:26 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 06:56:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <102172160.3529099.1577301185896@mail.yahoo.com> References: <102172160.3529099.1577301185896.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <102172160.3529099.1577301185896@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Wasn't there fence ripping accident on the back straight at RA? I think that that was the Katherine Legge. Bob Kramer On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 1:13 PM Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Mike... > > Great point. Many years ago when I first started Vintage Racing, the > tracks were 'forgiving'. If you made a mistake, you spun off mowing the > lawn or creating a dust cloud. The only penalty was embarrassment. I'll > never forget then one first spring event I showed up for at Road America > and it was like I was in a street race, surrounded by Century Link Fencing. > > I was told that as far as Road America was concerned CART had demanded > it. CART was afraid one of their cars would leap the cement barriers/snow > fencing and crash into the crowd. > > No question that was a potential issue. The change was a good idea...but > drivers like me (prone to make errors) missed those 'forgiving' tracks. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Harmuth via Fot > To: Greg Blake > Cc: FoTTriumph > Sent: Wed, Dec 25, 2019 10:42 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing > > You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid > stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the > track, it's more like > " If you spin, they're towing you in" > > mike h > > On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > > One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. > > https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c > > The MGB behind me was not so fortunate > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot > wrote: > > ? > > Two feet in has its advantages > > https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot > wrote: > > ? > Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet > down. > Merry Christmas. > Bill > On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations > where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice > and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an > unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the > way. Always go two feet in. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Dec 26 06:32:24 2019 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 05:32:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <5b8e3c7e-6cd4-566f-7838-364172f78cb5@tonydrews.com> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> <5b8e3c7e-6cd4-566f-7838-364172f78cb5@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <8793FE736F82434496C0F4476F1F1348@RYPC> > I didn't spin but I did lock up one rear wheel with a Detroit > Locker diff. Large bang, it didn't like that. Detroit > Locker was OK, but the one way clutch / roller arrangement in > the OD broke into multiple pieces. What's funny is that it > still worked perfectly. Just a thought: Has anyone tried just leaving out the rollers in the sprag clutch? Might need stiffer direct drive springs, and skip the burnouts, but direct drive in 1st gear seems like the only time the sprag clutch is really needed; once you've built hydraulic pressure. -- Randall From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Thu Dec 26 10:04:48 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 18:04:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <8793FE736F82434496C0F4476F1F1348@RYPC> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> <5b8e3c7e-6cd4-566f-7838-364172f78cb5@tonydrews.com> <8793FE736F82434496C0F4476F1F1348@RYPC> Message-ID: <364169060.230607331.1577379888718.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> I think the unidirectional clutch (roller bearing) is there in the first place to keep the drive going while engaging the overdrive. Without this arrangement, the revs would go up every time the overdrive is engaged, while the cone clutch is moving (unless you keep your foot off the accelerator pedal when engaging the overdrive). PS : when the cone clutch has gone, the unidirectional clutch has to bear the whole driving force : it doesn't last long when this happens. Marcel ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Donderdag 26 december 2019 14:32:24 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing > I didn't spin but I did lock up one rear wheel with a Detroit > Locker diff. Large bang, it didn't like that. Detroit > Locker was OK, but the one way clutch / roller arrangement in > the OD broke into multiple pieces. What's funny is that it > still worked perfectly. Just a thought: Has anyone tried just leaving out the rollers in the sprag clutch? Might need stiffer direct drive springs, and skip the burnouts, but direct drive in 1st gear seems like the only time the sprag clutch is really needed; once you've built hydraulic pressure. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be From billdentin at aol.com Thu Dec 26 10:35:31 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 17:35:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: <102172160.3529099.1577301185896.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <102172160.3529099.1577301185896@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <164345110.3813696.1577381731269@mail.yahoo.com> Yes, and if I recall I sure didn't expect her to walk away from that one...but she did. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer To: Bill Dentinger Cc: Mike Harmuth ; Greg Blake ; Fot Sent: Thu, Dec 26, 2019 4:56 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing Wasn't there fence ripping accident on the back straight at RA? I think that that was the Katherine Legge. Bob Kramer On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 1:13 PM Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: Mike... Great point.? Many years ago when I first started Vintage Racing, the tracks were 'forgiving'.? If you made a mistake, you spun off mowing the lawn or creating a dust cloud.? The only penalty was embarrassment.? I'll never forget then one first spring event I showed up for at Road America and it was like I was in a street race, surrounded by Century Link Fencing. I was told that as far as Road America was concerned CART had demanded it.? CART was afraid one of their cars would leap the cement barriers/snow fencing and crash into the crowd. ? No question that was a potential issue.? The change was a good idea...but drivers like me (prone to make errors) missed those 'forgiving' tracks. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Mike Harmuth via Fot To: Greg Blake Cc: FoTTriumph Sent: Wed, Dec 25, 2019 10:42 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like" If you spin, they're towing you in" mike h On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in.? https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c The MGB behind me was not so fortunate? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: ? Two feet in has its advantages? https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: ? Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. Merry Christmas. Bill On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way.? 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URL: From robertdalziel at comcast.net Thu Dec 26 10:47:35 2019 From: robertdalziel at comcast.net (Scottie Dalziel) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 12:47:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <164345110.3813696.1577381731269@mail.yahoo.com> References: <164345110.3813696.1577381731269@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2770CB5C-1B66-4D77-B428-6F7E2EF5B120@comcast.net> Aye Legge had a big one there But a few decades earlier, long before that fencing was installed Teo Fabi And a huge off near there in the can Am qualifying . He left his machine up in the trees ? minus wheels . He climbed out of that one . I asked him about that . Years latter ,when working the Detroit G P. He thought a wee bit then a big grin came over his face and he offered in his soft Italian accent .? yea that was a big one ? It?s good when we can laugh at this stuff Awrabest Scottie Yep the kink had a big pucker factor > On Dec 26, 2019, at 12:35 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > ? > Yes, and if I recall I sure didn't expect her to walk away from that one...but she did. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer > To: Bill Dentinger > Cc: Mike Harmuth ; Greg Blake ; Fot > Sent: Thu, Dec 26, 2019 4:56 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing > > Wasn't there fence ripping accident on the back straight at RA? I think that that was the Katherine Legge. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 1:13 PM Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Mike... > > Great point. Many years ago when I first started Vintage Racing, the tracks were 'forgiving'. If you made a mistake, you spun off mowing the lawn or creating a dust cloud. The only penalty was embarrassment. I'll never forget then one first spring event I showed up for at Road America and it was like I was in a street race, surrounded by Century Link Fencing. > > I was told that as far as Road America was concerned CART had demanded it. CART was afraid one of their cars would leap the cement barriers/snow fencing and crash into the crowd. > > No question that was a potential issue. The change was a good idea...but drivers like me (prone to make errors) missed those 'forgiving' tracks. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Harmuth via Fot > To: Greg Blake > Cc: FoTTriumph > Sent: Wed, Dec 25, 2019 10:42 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing > > You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like > " If you spin, they're towing you in" > > mike h > >> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. >> >> https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c >> >> The MGB behind me was not so fortunate >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Two feet in has its advantages >> >> https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. >>> Merry Christmas. >>> Bill >>> On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>>> Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. 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The overdrive appears to be engaged and it appears that the pressure will not drop. The pressure relief at the pump was removed and the accumulator was loosened to relieve the pressure. Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to be locked up and will not spin. Any ideas?? Thanks in advance Glenn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Dec 26 18:33:20 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 19:33:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Daytona Class Winner. To be seen at Kastner Cup 2020 Message-ID: <98471378-9D71-476A-B699-C4B5DD7D8672@gmail.com> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 5:34 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alanb at alanberrydesign.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Dec 26 19:33:13 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 20:33:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Daytona Class Winner. To be seen at Kastner Cup 2020 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7E37BA9E-34EA-4F29-AB97-6D0095982036@gmail.com> It was run at Daytona with the top in place, I believe. Alan, are you registered yet? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Dec 26, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Alan Berry wrote: > > ? > How cool is a white TR4 racer with a white convertible top up? > >> On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 5:34 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alanb at alanberrydesign.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanb at alanberrydesign.com Thu Dec 26 20:44:17 2019 From: alanb at alanberrydesign.com (Alan Berry) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 19:44:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Daytona Class Winner. To be seen at Kastner Cup 2020 In-Reply-To: <7E37BA9E-34EA-4F29-AB97-6D0095982036@gmail.com> References: <7E37BA9E-34EA-4F29-AB97-6D0095982036@gmail.com> Message-ID: I haven't registered for the K Cup, Joe because I am fixing up Irv's old (RED) TR4 to sell. I have decided owning a race car is not for me. I have 10 thumbs when I try working on it myself, even with expert guidance from Kas himself. I will sell the car and trailer and rent an 1147 Spit from Joe Siam for most of the VARA races going forward. The TR is dialed in with brand new Webers and just 100% rewired. I am putting on a new head so it will be bulletproof now (well, actually no guarantees with a race car) so will be great in 2020. This was a nice car when I bought it 3 years ago with documented history and log books going back to 1972. I showed it's potential when it hung with Tony Drews in Buttonwillow last summer..... until the driver ran out of talent. With a decent driver it will finish very well at the 2020 Kastner Cup. If anyone is interested I will make an incredible deal on the car and an option on a nice enclosed trailer to any serious FoT member. Call or text me at 858 442-9098 and I will be happy to discuss or send photos, info on this exceptional car. Email is alanb at alanberrydesign.com. Wherever a buyer is located I will be happy to meet them halfway from my SoCal location gratis if they want the complete car/trailer spares combo to save shipping costs. Spares include two additional sets of wheels/tires with fresh rain tires with 4 laps on them. I will not sell this pretty car to anyone but a serious racer. Former owner Irv Korey will kick my ass if I sell it to a goofball. It's not about the money to me. I will make a great deal to the right driver. I hope to be a spectator at the history making 2020 Kastner Cup to see this car run up front! Sorry for the shameless plug Joe. See you in 2020. Alan #41 TR4A On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 6:33 PM Joe Alexander wrote: > It was run at Daytona with the top in place, I believe. > > Alan, are you registered yet? > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > On Dec 26, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Alan Berry wrote: > > ? > How cool is a white TR4 racer with a white convertible top up? > > On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 5:34 PM Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alanb at alanberrydesign.com >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com Thu Dec 26 21:49:55 2019 From: jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com (Jonathan Wright) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 20:49:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Daytona Class Winner. To be seen at Kastner Cup 2020 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alan, So you are Joes new rental customer! Here I was thinking I was gonna have a chance next season with my 1147 spitfire, but if you are stepping down into FP my odds don?t sound as good anymore lol. It?ll be fun to have some more competition in FP, hopefully I?ll learn some things from you! Cheers Jonathan Wright, #93 FP Spitfire Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 26, 2019, at 7:44 PM, Alan Berry via Fot wrote: > > ? > I haven't registered for the K Cup, Joe because I am fixing up Irv's old (RED) TR4 to sell. I have decided owning a race car is not for me. I have 10 thumbs when I try working on it myself, even with expert guidance from Kas himself. I will sell the car and trailer and rent an 1147 Spit from Joe Siam for most of the VARA races going forward. The TR is dialed in with brand new Webers and just 100% rewired. I am putting on a new head so it will be bulletproof now (well, actually no guarantees with a race car) so will be great in 2020. > > This was a nice car when I bought it 3 years ago with documented history and log books going back to 1972. I showed it's potential when it hung with Tony Drews in Buttonwillow last summer..... until the driver ran out of talent. > > With a decent driver it will finish very well at the 2020 Kastner Cup. If anyone is interested I will make an incredible deal on the car and an option on a nice enclosed trailer to any serious FoT member. Call or text me at 858 442-9098 and I will be happy to discuss or send photos, info on this exceptional car. Email is alanb at alanberrydesign.com. > > Wherever a buyer is located I will be happy to meet them halfway from my SoCal location gratis if they want the complete car/trailer spares combo to save shipping costs. Spares include two additional sets of wheels/tires with fresh rain tires with 4 laps on them. > > I will not sell this pretty car to anyone but a serious racer. Former owner Irv Korey will kick my ass if I sell it to a goofball. It's not about the money to me. I will make a great deal to the right driver. > > I hope to be a spectator at the history making 2020 Kastner Cup to see this car run up front! > > Sorry for the shameless plug Joe. See you in 2020. > > Alan #41 TR4A > >> On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 6:33 PM Joe Alexander wrote: >> It was run at Daytona with the top in place, I believe. >> >> Alan, are you registered yet? >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> >>>> On Dec 26, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Alan Berry wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> How cool is a white TR4 racer with a white convertible top up? >>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 5:34 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Joe Alexander >>>> 4505 Donald Dr >>>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >>>> The-vintage-racer.com >>>> Gasketinnovations.com >>>> Cell: 319.464.4711 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alanb at alanberrydesign.com >>>> >>>> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 6t9gt6 at toast.net Fri Dec 27 12:21:59 2019 From: 6t9gt6 at toast.net (Stephen Jones) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2019 14:21:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: <3928918C-E694-49B3-AF69-4E80D2D76CE6@yahoo.com> <001e01d5bb5a$ff35bbe0$fda133a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6053f1d02d09474398f30bb4fdbed910@toast.net> Great reactions and save! That could have ended in major tears. ---------------------------------------- From: "Jerry Van Vlack via Fot" Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 11:57 PM To: tr4racing at googlemail.com, "fot at autox. team. net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing I had a front row seat to that event. Great job Chris but a disappointment for us all when you went out. JVV From: Chris Marx via Fot Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 2:39 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing When I broke the front axle and blocked the left front wheel from that, I felt lucky that I made the car going round the corner to the front straight. Wouldn't made me happy to touch any guard rails. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Nick Black via Fot Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Dezember 2019 19:50 An: Mike Harmuth Cc: FoTTriumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing Back when the "blue bush" was installed, many of us no longer raced there... originally the fence was literally at the edge of the track surface all the way around the track. It was like racin in a blue alley...drop a wheel and total your car as it pinballed across the track. Never raced there again Nick I'm NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal On Dec 25, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: ? You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like " If you spin, they're towing you in" mike h On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: One of my experiences watching what happens when you don't go two in. https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c The MGB behind me was not so fortunate Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: ? Two feet in has its advantages https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: ? Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. Merry Christmas. Bill On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: Whenever you start to spin it's two feet in. I've been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. 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Dave H. > On December 29, 2019 at 2:49 PM Joe Alexander via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Dec 29 17:09:56 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 16:09:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Vintage Motorsport In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <934434630.119210.1577664596479@connect.xfinity.com> Yes. The Watkins Glen Triumph group received the coveted "Pick or the Litter" section in the event article. Very cool. Tom Turner's Spit is front and center in the group photo. He towed all the way from Danville, CA. Burt Levy wrote the article. Dave H. > On December 29, 2019 at 8:40 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > > Recently got the Jan/Feb 2020 issue of Vintage Motorsport. Finally > cracked it open for a quick thumb through.? Wow, those of you who read > it, check out the bottom of page 88. > > Way to go Henry! > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Dec 30 05:36:52 2019 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 12:36:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <5539C218-A22F-4EBC-8530-1C6ED816FCE6@gmail.com> References: <5539C218-A22F-4EBC-8530-1C6ED816FCE6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1268668806.3125178.1577709412142@mail.yahoo.com> Something in the photo just doesn't seem right, it's out of proportion, or maybe it's just my eyes...Glen -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot Sent: Sun, Dec 29, 2019 5:52 pm Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Dec 30 06:52:33 2019 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 13:52:33 +0000 Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <1268668806.3125178.1577709412142@mail.yahoo.com> References: <5539C218-A22F-4EBC-8530-1C6ED816FCE6@gmail.com>, <1268668806.3125178.1577709412142@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good eye Glen, it looks like a TR3 body on a TR4A/IRS chassis with fenders widened to cover the increased track of the newer chassis. Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: fubog1 via Fot Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 7:37 AM To: joealexandervintage at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup Something in the photo just doesn't seem right, it's out of proportion, or maybe it's just my eyes... Glen -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot Sent: Sun, Dec 29, 2019 5:52 pm Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Dec 30 07:44:16 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 15:44:16 +0100 Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: <5539C218-A22F-4EBC-8530-1C6ED816FCE6@gmail.com>, <1268668806.3125178.1577709412142@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001401d5bf1f$9c8b6490$d5a22db0$@gmail.com> TR3B Widebody version on TR4 frame. Some Americans rejected the TR4 and the factory planted about 2000 bodys on the TR4 frame. Unfortunately this car was never homologated - would have been a great historic racer. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Terry Stetler via Fot Gesendet: Montag, 30. Dezember 2019 14:53 An: fubog1 ; joealexandervintage at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup Good eye Glen, it looks like a TR3 body on a TR4A/IRS chassis with fenders widened to cover the increased track of the newer chassis. Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: fubog1 via Fot Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 7:37 AM To: joealexandervintage at gmail.com ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup Something in the photo just doesn't seem right, it's out of proportion, or maybe it's just my eyes... Glen -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Sun, Dec 29, 2019 5:52 pm Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Mon Dec 30 07:55:54 2019 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 09:55:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] $415 US for a great race weekend Message-ID: <001801d5bf21$3ccd9670$b668c350$@rr.com> The VARAC event at Mosport, CA has a discount (save $100) program for early registrations ENDING at Midnight Tomorrow. The event is June 18 to 21, 2020. The discount drops the price to $415 US given the exchange rate. Great way to get practiced up for the following weekend or if you're making the trip for K-Cup, it's just a bit further and you can capture two events in June. Camping is free and there's lots of paddock space; more seat time than you can imagine and another shot at defeating the MGs in the TRIUMPH/MG Challenge Race which provides even more seat time. Unlike some other organizations your car will be inspected for tech/safety according to your home club rules and regulations. Border crossings are simple and fast. The social events tied to this event are over the top featuring live bands on two nights; a banquet and traveling feast through the paddock on another night with copious beverages. A practice day is also available and an orientation is offered if it's your first time. This is the track Bob Tullius called his favorite. Don't miss this opportunity for a very cost effective event and see why so many of us return every year. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Dec 30 08:43:38 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 07:43:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <001401d5bf1f$9c8b6490$d5a22db0$@gmail.com> References: <5539C218-A22F-4EBC-8530-1C6ED816FCE6@gmail.com>, <1268668806.3125178.1577709412142@mail.yahoo.com> <001401d5bf1f$9c8b6490$d5a22db0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1515506030.123231.1577720618970@connect.xfinity.com> This car is a TR3 Beta. 3 to 5 of them were made as prototypes in 1959. Well before the TR4A IRS. My memory was just refreshed of these cars from reading Bill Piggott's Triumph TR book. Wide bodies were made to fit the developing TR4 frame, which was still a solid axle but it had ring and pinion steering. The leading edge of the doors were wider for a smooth transition to the wider fender. The TR4 body design had not yet been completed, but the TRS was being developed has it's prototype. The TR3B is a TR3A with a TR4 engine and trans that got the TCF prefix in the VIN instead of the TR2-3s TS prefix. Dave H. > On December 30, 2019 at 6:44 AM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > > TR3B > > Widebody version on TR4 frame. > > Some Americans rejected the TR4 and the factory planted about 2000 bodys on the TR4 frame. > > Unfortunately this car was never homologated ? would have been a great historic racer. > > > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Terry Stetler via Fot > Gesendet: Montag, 30. Dezember 2019 14:53 > An: fubog1 ; joealexandervintage at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup > > > > Good eye Glen, it looks like a TR3 body on a TR4A/IRS chassis with fenders widened to cover the increased track of the newer chassis. > > > > Terry Stetler > > > > Sent from Mail https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 for Windows 10 > > > > From: fubog1 via Fot mailto:fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 7:37 AM > To: joealexandervintage at gmail.com mailto:joealexandervintage at gmail.com ; fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup > > > > Something in the photo just doesn't seem right, it's out of proportion, or maybe it's just my eyes... > > Glen > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Sun, Dec 29, 2019 5:52 pm > Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup > > > > > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe1191dca30b4527937308d78d2507d0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637133062501511461&sdata=COUNMKMPMprUki%2BdQPafC0rDpACiHo2Z%2BwsNIaAUByE%3D&reserved=0 > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fdonate.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe1191dca30b4527937308d78d2507d0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637133062501521466&sdata=I6jR9ik3tv8zLTJyYGuGg0m92aEJXbBLjZCdK6sa0sw%3D&reserved=0 > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Farchive&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe1191dca30b4527937308d78d2507d0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637133062501531475&sdata=OOBYbW7vEu0wA2FRNaLKqBLwFZsi6ep4ZfXLqmMLLbg%3D&reserved=0 http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fpipermail%2Ffot&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe1191dca30b4527937308d78d2507d0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637133062501531475&sdata=%2B0imON2PuoSjsgTmmNt5yMmjI4IJfp%2BgfsZ7O%2BawpRA%3D&reserved=0 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Ffubog1%40aol.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe1191dca30b4527937308d78d2507d0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637133062501531475&sdata=egezk%2BLlAmyUXAZa2rHp8SS8qOgq57I%2BtPrnhHFNInI%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Dec 30 08:56:28 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 08:56:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? Message-ID: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> This TR3 Beta got me thinking.? The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 frame.? The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.? The TR6 used basically the same frame.? Are there solid axle TR6s out there? mjb. From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Dec 30 09:05:24 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 08:05:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> References: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <488432948.123535.1577721924756@connect.xfinity.com> The TR4 frame was solid axle only. Exactly like the TR3 frame but with added sections to the front rails to widen the track. The TR4A frame could fit either solid or independent axles. The TR6 frame is very different and not design for the solid axle. Dave H. > On December 30, 2019 at 7:56 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > > This TR3 Beta got me thinking.? The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 > frame.? The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either > the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.? The TR6 used basically the same > frame.? Are there solid axle TR6s out there? > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From johnstydo at gmail.com Mon Dec 30 10:27:37 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 12:27:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> References: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 > frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either > the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same > frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20191202_120231.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4487931 bytes Desc: not available URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Mon Dec 30 10:29:59 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 12:29:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] $415 US for a great race weekend In-Reply-To: <001801d5bf21$3ccd9670$b668c350$@rr.com> References: <001801d5bf21$3ccd9670$b668c350$@rr.com> Message-ID: Mosport is a great track and VARAC is a great club to race with. The price is right, too. Triumph ghetto anyone? On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 9:56 AM Spitfire Racing via Fot wrote: > The VARAC event at Mosport, CA has a discount (save $100) program for > early registrations *ENDING at Midnight Tomorrow*. The event is June 18 > to 21, 2020. > > The discount drops the price to $415 US given the exchange rate. > > > > Great way to get practiced up for the following weekend or if you?re > making the trip for K-Cup, it?s just a bit further and you can capture two > events in June. > > > > Camping is free and there?s lots of paddock space; more seat time than you > can imagine and another shot at defeating the MGs in the TRIUMPH/MG > Challenge Race which provides even more seat time. > > > > Unlike some other organizations your car will be inspected for tech/safety > according to your home club rules and regulations. Border crossings are > simple and fast. > > > > The social events tied to this event are over the top featuring live bands > on two nights; a banquet and traveling feast through the paddock on another > night with copious beverages. > > A practice day is also available and an orientation is offered if it?s > your first time. > > > > This is the track Bob Tullius called his favorite. Don?t miss this > opportunity for a very cost effective event and see why so many of us > return every year. > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you have the version that includes Frank Marsden and Ray Bates then you already have the full story. John C. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Mon Dec 30 14:45:06 2019 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 16:45:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] $415 US for a great race weekend In-Reply-To: References: <001801d5bf21$3ccd9670$b668c350$@rr.com> Message-ID: Love MOSPORT and the FX, Very tempting, but more than a bit shy about running two weekends B2B. I'll be watching the traffic on this topic... Brian 69 GT6 On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:54 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > Mosport is a great track and VARAC is a great club to race with. The > price is right, too. Triumph ghetto anyone? > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 9:56 AM Spitfire Racing via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> The VARAC event at Mosport, CA has a discount (save $100) program for >> early registrations *ENDING at Midnight Tomorrow*. The event is June 18 >> to 21, 2020. >> >> The discount drops the price to $415 US given the exchange rate. >> >> >> >> Great way to get practiced up for the following weekend or if you?re >> making the trip for K-Cup, it?s just a bit further and you can capture two >> events in June. >> >> >> >> Camping is free and there?s lots of paddock space; more seat time than >> you can imagine and another shot at defeating the MGs in the TRIUMPH/MG >> Challenge Race which provides even more seat time. >> >> >> >> Unlike some other organizations your car will be inspected for >> tech/safety according to your home club rules and regulations. Border >> crossings are simple and fast. >> >> >> >> The social events tied to this event are over the top featuring live >> bands on two nights; a banquet and traveling feast through the paddock on >> another night with copious beverages. >> >> A practice day is also available and an orientation is offered if it?s >> your first time. >> >> >> >> This is the track Bob Tullius called his favorite. Don?t miss this >> opportunity for a very cost effective event and see why so many of us >> return every year. >> >> >> >> Russ Moore >> >> Spitfire #49 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano at yahoo.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: WG16-2964.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5531823 bytes Desc: not available URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Mon Dec 30 14:47:15 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 16:47:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There must have been modification of the BETA chassis to accomodate the TR4s wider floor pans and engine bay. I've saw a very early TR4 frame that had extension plates bolted to the top of the outriggers to fit the wider body mounts. The diagonal braces for the front spring perches also had to be moved outward to fit the TR4 front inner fender mounts. I don't think the BETA had wider floor pans that the stock TR3. On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 1:27 PM John via Fot wrote: > The TR3 BETA chassis actually came first and the later TR4 body was put on > it. Frank Marsden engineered the suspension and steering for the TR3 BETA > as part of Ray Bates's team tasked with looking into ways to improve the > TR. Rack and pinion steering was something Frank considered important > along with the suspension upgrades, hence the wider wings to cover it all. > It was considered so successful that the upscaled Zest TR4 body was simply > put on the entire TR3 BETA platform. > > And you won't have read that in any book before. Fortunately, I have it > all on camera and included it in the minor revision I made to 'Traditional > Triumph TR: From the TR2 to the TR6' that I issued a few years ago. If you > have the version that includes Frank Marsden and Ray Bates then you already > have the full story. > > John C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at gmail.com Mon Dec 30 15:35:43 2019 From: bownes at gmail.com (Bob Bownes) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 17:35:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blanking plates for TR6 manifold Message-ID: <6A313D48-FD74-45C4-A205-CACCC5A97015@gmail.com> For those that have not heard, I?ve started the rebuild on my TR6 to get it back on the road/track. As a first step, I?m transplanting a stock engine back in on order to get it driveable while I do the ?good? engine. As it is somewhat chilly, storing the motor in the garage leaves a certain vulnerability some of you may have experienced. In order to keep the mice and chipmunks that I sometimes share the garage with from stashing their winter meals in the intake and exhaust ports, I had some solid blanking plates made up. Anyone who needs the plates for the TR6, or would like to have some made up for a different engine, let me know, and I?ll put you in touch with the guy who made them up for me and has the pattern and plasma CNC. Bob From fmccjr at aol.com Mon Dec 30 16:41:32 2019 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 18:41:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: References: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Now, THAT makes me very envious... Nice clubhouse! R McCurdy Newburgh, NY > On Dec 30, 2019, at 12:27 PM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. > >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: >> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either >> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >> >> mjb. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmccjr at aol.com Mon Dec 30 16:41:32 2019 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 18:41:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: References: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Now, THAT makes me very envious... Nice clubhouse! R McCurdy Newburgh, NY > On Dec 30, 2019, at 12:27 PM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. > >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: >> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either >> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >> >> mjb. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 06:46:38 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 07:46:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: References: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Is that a 50 x 30? I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. Bob Kramer On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member > that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide > track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new > headquarters. > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either >> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >> >> mjb. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers Bill On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > Is that a 50 x 30? > > I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it > outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work > benches?and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still > can't decide where to put a lift. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot > > wrote: > > I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club > member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to > build a wide track for my TR3.? This will be my next project after > outfitting my new headquarters. > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot > > wrote: > > This TR3 Beta got me thinking.? The TR4 was based on a > modified TR3 > frame.? The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable > to either > the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.? The TR6 used basically > the same > frame.? Are there solid axle TR6s out there? > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Tue Dec 31 08:09:00 2019 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 10:09:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <731e9052-2407-b5cb-4be5-4952ff5b573f@verizon.net> References: <731e9052-2407-b5cb-4be5-4952ff5b573f@verizon.net> Message-ID: <373941E4-C650-49C9-8F31-90D979F5611F@seiri.com> And wall storage off from workspace which can be heated or cooled as necessary...The heavy vinyl curtains work well but can cost more than real walls! And a ventilated welding area. I?m thinking about having a slab poured behind my garage and erecting some open storage space back there as well as a small enclosed area to hold the furnace, compressor, and a heated cabinet for things that should not freeze. Bob > On Dec 31, 2019, at 09:52, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > ? > Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. > > While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! > > Ask me how I learned all this stuff! > > Happy New Year everyone. > > Cheers Bill > > On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >> Is that a 50 x 30? >> >> I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. >> >> Bob Kramer >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: >>> I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: >>>> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >>>> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either >>>> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >>>> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >>>> >>>> mjb. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <2a82d7d4-4532-4122-b42c-b59a42087006@Spark> Bob, I had the same issue ? a permanently mounted lift was going to be in the way a lot of the time. ?I ended up with a 6000-lb. capacity single-post lift that can be moved around. ?I drive in, put the lift arms in place, pump the jack (it has a long handle like a pallet jack on one end) to raise the base of the lift off the ground and then move the car wherever I need it. ?Like this one, only the cost was a lot lower at about $2700 delivered:?https://www.gregsmithequipment.com/Atlas-6000-lb-Portable-Single-Post-Lift Duncan On Dec 31, 2019, 8:10 AM -0600, Bob Kramer via Fot , wrote: > Is that a 50 x 30? > > I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches?and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. > > Bob Kramer > > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > > I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3.? This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > > > > This TR3 Beta got me thinking.? The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 > > > > > frame.? The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either > > > > > the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.? The TR6 used basically the same > > > > > frame.? Are there solid axle TR6s out there? > > > > > > > > > > mjb. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Tue Dec 31 08:10:32 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 15:10:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? References: <1382700210.5254142.1577805032873.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1382700210.5254142.1577805032873@mail.yahoo.com> Bill...Good notes. ?I wish someone?would have suggested I run air and power lines to the lift. ?I did not, and it was a?tripping issue. I loved my lift, which if I recall had 9,000 lbs capacity, but had very low pickup arms for getting under sports cars. Lazy bastard that I am, I would put the cars on the lift to wax them. ?TSK, Tsk, tsk. HAPPY NEW YEAR! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, December 31, 2019,?Bill Tobin via Fot??wrote: Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! Ask me how I learned all this stuff! Happy New Year everyone. Cheers Bill On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Is that a 50 x 30?? I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches?and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. Bob Kramer On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3.? This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters.? On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: This TR3 Beta got me thinking.? The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 frame.? The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.? The TR6 used basically the same frame.? Are there solid axle TR6s out there? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Tue Dec 31 08:19:59 2019 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 10:19:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <1382700210.5254142.1577805032873@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1382700210.5254142.1577805032873@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <22B0E8FD-0E05-4140-AF4E-B71DB4D2A765@seiri.com> I didn?t build my garage so I was very pleased to find the foundation to be >12? thick when I drilled the anchor holes for the lift, which is in the middle rear of 3 bays allowing access from the sides. Open trusses have made retrofitting air lines, better lighting, and power drops a snap. I really could use another 15? in one dimension, running water, and more power though. But then my wife would probably make me live out there. ;) > On Dec 31, 2019, at 10:10, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > ?Bill... > Good notes. I wish someone would have suggested I run air and power lines to the lift. I did not, and it was a tripping issue. > > I loved my lift, which if I recall had 9,000 lbs capacity, but had very low pickup arms for getting under sports cars. > > Lazy bastard that I am, I would put the cars on the lift to wax them. TSK, Tsk, tsk. > > HAPPY NEW YEAR! > > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. > > While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! > > Ask me how I learned all this stuff! > > Happy New Year everyone. > > Cheers Bill > > On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > Is that a 50 x 30? > > I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 > frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either > the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same > frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Tue Dec 31 09:34:10 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 10:34:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <1382700210.5254142.1577805032873@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1382700210.5254142.1577805032873@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FDD6953-D117-4C53-AB3A-C8FD14713B43@icloud.com> Love reading all of this but I have to ask how you ever made time to WAX the cars. I always seem to be chasing a last minute transmission rebuild or axle swap the night before I load. I am that guy washing the race car on Friday night at the track. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 31, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > ?Bill... > Good notes. I wish someone would have suggested I run air and power lines to the lift. I did not, and it was a tripping issue. > > I loved my lift, which if I recall had 9,000 lbs capacity, but had very low pickup arms for getting under sports cars. > > Lazy bastard that I am, I would put the cars on the lift to wax them. TSK, Tsk, tsk. > > HAPPY NEW YEAR! > > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. > > While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! > > Ask me how I learned all this stuff! > > Happy New Year everyone. > > Cheers Bill > > On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > Is that a 50 x 30? > > I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 > frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either > the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same > frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mleccese1 at verizon.net Tue Dec 31 09:38:26 2019 From: mleccese1 at verizon.net (mleccese1 at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 16:38:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? References: <800920835.5280871.1577810306163.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <800920835.5280871.1577810306163@mail.yahoo.com> I'm with ya, last race I only had time to chance an oil leak... On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 Greg Blake via Fot wrote: Love reading all of this but I have to ask how you ever made time to WAX the cars. I always seem to be chasing a last minute transmission rebuild or axle swap the night before I load. I am that guy washing the race car on Friday night at the track.? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: ?Bill...Good notes. ?I wish someone?would have suggested I run air and power lines to the lift. ?I did not, and it was a?tripping issue. I loved my lift, which if I recall had 9,000 lbs capacity, but had very low pickup arms for getting under sports cars. Lazy bastard that I am, I would put the cars on the lift to wax them. ?TSK, Tsk, tsk. HAPPY NEW YEAR! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, December 31, 2019,?Bill Tobin via Fot??wrote: Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! Ask me how I learned all this stuff! Happy New Year everyone. Cheers Bill On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Is that a 50 x 30?? I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches?and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. Bob Kramer On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3.? This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters.? On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: This TR3 Beta got me thinking.? The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 frame.? The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.? The TR6 used basically the same frame.? Are there solid axle TR6s out there? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mleccese1 at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Tue Dec 31 09:50:56 2019 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 11:50:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <800920835.5280871.1577810306163@mail.yahoo.com> References: <800920835.5280871.1577810306163@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Wait, you _wash_ the car? Isn?t all that dirt and rubber a badge of honour? ;) > On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:38, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: > > ? > I'm with ya, last race I only had time to chance an oil leak... > > > > On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > Love reading all of this but I have to ask how you ever made time to WAX the cars. I always seem to be chasing a last minute transmission rebuild or axle swap the night before I load. I am that guy washing the race car on Friday night at the track. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Dec 31, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >>> >> ?Bill... >> Good notes. I wish someone would have suggested I run air and power lines to the lift. I did not, and it was a tripping issue. >> >> I loved my lift, which if I recall had 9,000 lbs capacity, but had very low pickup arms for getting under sports cars. >> >> Lazy bastard that I am, I would put the cars on the lift to wax them. TSK, Tsk, tsk. >> >> HAPPY NEW YEAR! >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >> >> On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >> >> Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. >> >> While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! >> >> Ask me how I learned all this stuff! >> >> Happy New Year everyone. >> >> Cheers Bill >> >> On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >> >> Is that a 50 x 30? >> >> I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. >> >> Bob Kramer >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: >> I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. >> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: >> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either >> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >> >> mjb. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mleccese1 at verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 09:54:25 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 10:54:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <731e9052-2407-b5cb-4be5-4952ff5b573f@verizon.net> References: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> <731e9052-2407-b5cb-4be5-4952ff5b573f@verizon.net> Message-ID: Those are great ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing system and I have an overhead run 20' in. Dropping a line down and mounting it on both posts of the lifts would be a simple upgrade.. I did think ahead and wired in an extra 30 amp circuit up top. I was planning on using a retractable electric hose reel but dropping an outlet to the posts might be a better plan. Bob Kramer On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. > Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses > and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe > on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting > especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe > have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe > surface grinder. > > While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! > > Ask me how I learned all this stuff! > > Happy New Year everyone. > > Cheers Bill > On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > Is that a 50 x 30? > > I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it > outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work > benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't > decide where to put a lift. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot > wrote: > >> I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member >> that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide >> track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new >> headquarters. >> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >>> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >>> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either >>> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >>> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >>> >>> mjb. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage : >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Tue Dec 31 10:01:57 2019 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 12:01:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0292F65B-6DF9-4376-9C53-FD15CBD69750@seiri.com> It?s overkill, but I have an electrical reel and air hose reel over each bay. It comes in terribly handy. Don?t know about the planned lift, but mine is 220VAC, so don?t forget you may need that. On that note, I?ve been accumulating Real Machine Tools of late that all need 220 3phase. So 220 drops are going in around the shop for those and the welder. I find it easier to move the welder to the work than the work to the welder sometimes. > On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:54, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > ? > Those are great ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing system and I have an overhead run 20' in. Dropping a line down and mounting it on both posts of the lifts would be a simple upgrade.. I did think ahead and wired in an extra 30 amp circuit up top. I was planning on using a retractable electric hose reel but dropping an outlet to the posts might be a better plan. > > Bob Kramer > > >> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >> Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. >> >> While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! >> >> Ask me how I learned all this stuff! >> >> Happy New Year everyone. >> >> Cheers Bill >> >> On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >>> Is that a 50 x 30? >>> >>> I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. >>> >>> Bob Kramer >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: >>>> I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: >>>>> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >>>>> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either >>>>> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >>>>> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >>>>> >>>>> mjb. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 10:36:25 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 11:36:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <0292F65B-6DF9-4376-9C53-FD15CBD69750@seiri.com> References: <0292F65B-6DF9-4376-9C53-FD15CBD69750@seiri.com> Message-ID: Got all the power stuff covered. With 40 foot depth I choose to run most everything down the middle at 20'. The welder and compressor 220V are on the opposite wall from the breaker box.. I have another tip that I can pass on from Robert MacKenzie, I plan on a free floor lift and getting the arms under teh car is always a pain. Robert puts his car on a set of dollies first. makes the arm swing a breeze. Bob Kramer On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:01 AM Bob Bownes -Seiri wrote: > > It?s overkill, but I have an electrical reel and air hose reel over each > bay. It comes in terribly handy. > > Don?t know about the planned lift, but mine is 220VAC, so don?t forget you > may need that. > > On that note, I?ve been accumulating Real Machine Tools of late that all > need 220 3phase. So 220 drops are going in around the shop for those and > the welder. I find it easier to move the welder to the work than the work > to the welder sometimes. > > On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:54, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > ? > Those are great ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing system and I have an > overhead run 20' in. Dropping a line down and mounting it on both posts of > the lifts would be a simple upgrade.. I did think ahead and wired in an > extra 30 amp circuit up top. I was planning on using a retractable electric > hose reel but dropping an outlet to the posts might be a better plan. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bill Tobin via Fot > wrote: > >> Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. >> Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses >> and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe >> on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting >> especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe >> have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe >> surface grinder. >> >> While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! >> >> Ask me how I learned all this stuff! >> >> Happy New Year everyone. >> >> Cheers Bill >> On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >> >> Is that a 50 x 30? >> >> I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it >> outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work >> benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't >> decide where to put a lift. >> >> Bob Kramer >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >>> I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member >>> that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide >>> track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new >>> headquarters. >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot < >>> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >>> >>>> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >>>> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to >>>> either >>>> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >>>> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >>>> >>>> mjb. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage >>>> : >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage : >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 11:13:16 2019 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 12:13:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: References: <0292F65B-6DF9-4376-9C53-FD15CBD69750@seiri.com> Message-ID: <16eee885-f004-40ad-86a0-3b3473114751@Spark> Bob, I usually drive my race cars up onto wood ramps to allow the arms to swing under. ?They?re made of doubled 2X8s with staggered 45? angles at one end (so I can drive up the first 1-1/2? and have the tire completely on the board already before going up the second 1-1/2? rise) and scraps of inner tube stapled to the bottom to keep them from sliding on the floor as I drive on. Duncan On Dec 31, 2019, 11:36 AM -0600, Bob Kramer via Fot , wrote: > Got all the power stuff covered. With 40 foot depth I choose?to run most everything down the middle at 20'.? The welder?and compressor 220V are on the opposite?wall from the breaker box..? I have another tip that I can pass on from Robert MacKenzie,? I plan on a free floor lift and getting the arms under teh car is always a pain.? Robert puts his car on a set of dollies first. makes the arm swing a breeze. > Bob Kramer > > > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:01 AM Bob Bownes -Seiri wrote: > > > > > > It?s overkill, but I have an electrical reel and air hose reel over each bay. It comes in terribly handy. > > > > > > Don?t know about the planned lift, but mine is 220VAC, so don?t forget you may need that. > > > > > > On that note, I?ve been accumulating Real ?Machine Tools of late that all need 220 3phase. So 220 drops are going in around the shop for those and the welder. I find it easier to move the welder to the work than the work to the welder sometimes. > > > > > > > On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:54, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > Those are great ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing system and I have an overhead run 20' in.? Dropping a line down and mounting it on both posts of the lifts would be a simple upgrade.. I did think ahead and wired in an extra 30 amp circuit up top. I was planning on using a retractable electric hose reel but dropping an outlet to the posts might be a better plan. > > > > > > > > Bob Kramer > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > > > > > Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. > > > > > > While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! > > > > > > Ask me how I learned all this stuff! > > > > > > Happy New Year everyone. > > > > > > Cheers Bill > > > > > > On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > Is that a 50 x 30? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches?and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob Kramer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3.? This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > This TR3 Beta got me thinking.? The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 > > > > > > > > > > > frame.? The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either > > > > > > > > > > > the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.? The TR6 used basically the same > > > > > > > > > > > frame.? Are there solid axle TR6s out there? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mjb. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > > > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 11:30:00 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 12:30:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <16eee885-f004-40ad-86a0-3b3473114751@Spark> References: <0292F65B-6DF9-4376-9C53-FD15CBD69750@seiri.com> <16eee885-f004-40ad-86a0-3b3473114751@Spark> Message-ID: I did that for years and I am looking for a better way! Bob Kramer On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:13 PM Duncan Charlton < duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com> wrote: > Bob, I usually drive my race cars up onto wood ramps to allow the arms to > swing under. They?re made of doubled 2X8s with staggered 45? angles at one > end (so I can drive up the first 1-1/2? and have the tire completely on the > board already before going up the second 1-1/2? rise) and scraps of inner > tube stapled to the bottom to keep them from sliding on the floor as I > drive on. > > Duncan > On Dec 31, 2019, 11:36 AM -0600, Bob Kramer via Fot , > wrote: > > Got all the power stuff covered. With 40 foot depth I choose to run most > everything down the middle at 20'. The welder and compressor 220V are on > the opposite wall from the breaker box.. I have another tip that I can > pass on from Robert MacKenzie, I plan on a free floor lift and getting the > arms under teh car is always a pain. Robert puts his car on a set of > dollies first. makes the arm swing a breeze. > Bob Kramer > > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:01 AM Bob Bownes -Seiri > wrote: > >> >> It?s overkill, but I have an electrical reel and air hose reel over each >> bay. It comes in terribly handy. >> >> Don?t know about the planned lift, but mine is 220VAC, so don?t forget >> you may need that. >> >> On that note, I?ve been accumulating Real Machine Tools of late that all >> need 220 3phase. So 220 drops are going in around the shop for those and >> the welder. I find it easier to move the welder to the work than the work >> to the welder sometimes. >> >> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:54, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> Those are great ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing system and I have an >> overhead run 20' in. Dropping a line down and mounting it on both posts of >> the lifts would be a simple upgrade.. I did think ahead and wired in an >> extra 30 amp circuit up top. I was planning on using a retractable electric >> hose reel but dropping an outlet to the posts might be a better plan. >> >> Bob Kramer >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bill Tobin via Fot >> wrote: >> >>> Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the >>> shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing >>> hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; >>> maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting >>> especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe >>> have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe >>> surface grinder. >>> >>> While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! >>> >>> Ask me how I learned all this stuff! >>> >>> Happy New Year everyone. >>> >>> Cheers Bill >>> On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Is that a 50 x 30? >>> >>> I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it >>> outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work >>> benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't >>> decide where to put a lift. >>> >>> Bob Kramer >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot < >>> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member >>>> that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide >>>> track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new >>>> headquarters. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot < >>>> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >>>>> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to >>>>> either >>>>> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >>>>> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >>>>> >>>>> mjb. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage >>>>> : >>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage >>>> : >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage : >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 31 12:14:19 2019 From: putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com (Rich Hahn) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 19:14:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: References: <0292F65B-6DF9-4376-9C53-FD15CBD69750@seiri.com> Message-ID: <1030497240.3477457.1577819659362@mail.yahoo.com> Ditto for issues getting the lift swing arms under a low car.? I usually run mine up on some square patio stones which takes a lot less time than getting it on the 4 dollies first.? Its worked on some pretty low competition cars. On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, 12:36:36 PM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Got all the power stuff covered. With 40 foot depth I choose?to run most everything down the middle at 20'.? The welder?and compressor 220V are on the opposite?wall from the breaker box..? I have another tip that I can pass on from Robert MacKenzie,? I plan on a free floor lift and getting the arms under teh car is always a pain.? Robert puts his car on a set of dollies first. makes the arm swing a breeze. Bob Kramer On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:01 AM Bob Bownes -Seiri wrote: It?s overkill, but I have an electrical reel and air hose reel over each bay. It comes in terribly handy.? Don?t know about the planned lift, but mine is 220VAC, so don?t forget you may need that.? On that note, I?ve been accumulating Real ?Machine Tools of late that all need 220 3phase. So 220 drops are going in around the shop for those and the welder. I find it easier to move the welder to the work than the work to the welder sometimes.? On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:54, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: ?Those are great ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing system and I have an overhead run 20' in.? Dropping a line down and mounting it on both posts of the lifts would be a simple upgrade.. I did think ahead and wired in an extra 30 amp circuit up top. I was planning on using a retractable electric hose reel but dropping an outlet to the posts might be a better plan.? Bob Kramer On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! Ask me how I learned all this stuff! Happy New Year everyone. Cheers Bill On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Is that a 50 x 30?? I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches?and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. Bob Kramer On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3.? This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters.? On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: This TR3 Beta got me thinking.? The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 frame.? The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.? The TR6 used basically the same frame.? Are there solid axle TR6s out there? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From steve at artwithcars.com Tue Dec 31 13:11:44 2019 From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 12:11:44 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Rollbar/cage Message-ID: <233FCDE7-5AD9-4AF4-900E-C5F5D6E0CAE6@artwithcars.com> I have a front hoop that goes under the cowl behind the dashboard ~Steve > On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Dennis DeLap via Fot wrote: > From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 31 13:18:40 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 20:18:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Rollbar/cage In-Reply-To: <20191231195526.D01C2A0B40@autox.team.net> References: <20191231195526.D01C2A0B40@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <395491636.3494363.1577823520185@mail.yahoo.com> Hi - Assuming you're asking about a front hoop for the roll cage? If so, then yes. It gives you something to tie the side protection to, Most folks with open top cars in vintage put the front hoop down at the level of the "scuttle" as opposed to the "halo" type that most coupes and sedans would use. Regards,Bob Lang On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, 2:55:28 PM EST, Dennis DeLap via Fot wrote: A? M? I? C? I Does everyone have a front hoop on their car?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tr3a58dean at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 13:33:15 2019 From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean Tetterton) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 15:33:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Rollbar/cage In-Reply-To: <233FCDE7-5AD9-4AF4-900E-C5F5D6E0CAE6@artwithcars.com> References: <233FCDE7-5AD9-4AF4-900E-C5F5D6E0CAE6@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: Always ran a front hoop. Made a good place to hang pedals. Dean T. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 31, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?I have a front hoop that goes under the cowl behind the dashboard > > ~Steve > > >> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Dennis DeLap via Fot wrote: >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3a58dean at gmail.com > > From johnstydo at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 14:17:52 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 16:17:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Rollbar/cage In-Reply-To: References: <233FCDE7-5AD9-4AF4-900E-C5F5D6E0CAE6@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: I have a front hoop behind the dash on my TR3 and I use it to stiffen the scuttle with side mount brackets and attach the side bars. On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:33 PM Dean Tetterton via Fot wrote: > Always ran a front hoop. Made a good place to hang pedals. > Dean T. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 31, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?I have a front hoop that goes under the cowl behind the dashboard > > > > ~Steve > > > > > >> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Dennis DeLap via Fot > wrote: > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3a58dean at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmccjr at aol.com Tue Dec 31 14:41:04 2019 From: fmccjr at aol.com (fmccjr at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 16:41:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Rollbar/cage In-Reply-To: References: <233FCDE7-5AD9-4AF4-900E-C5F5D6E0CAE6@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: I do, as well. SCCA refs in 1980s I guess. The VSCCA raised an eyebrow, but let me play anyway! Rick McCurdy Newburgh, NY > On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > I have a front hoop behind the dash on my TR3 and I use it to stiffen the scuttle with side mount brackets and attach the side bars. > >> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:33 PM Dean Tetterton via Fot wrote: >> Always ran a front hoop. Made a good place to hang pedals. >> Dean T. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?I have a front hoop that goes under the cowl behind the dashboard >> > >> > ~Steve >> > >> > >> >> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Dennis DeLap via Fot wrote: >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3a58dean at gmail.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Made a good place to hang pedals. >> Dean T. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?I have a front hoop that goes under the cowl behind the dashboard >> > >> > ~Steve >> > >> > >> >> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Dennis DeLap via Fot wrote: >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3a58dean at gmail.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Dec 1 11:56:19 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2019 12:56:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Interesting archive search In-Reply-To: <11f1a2b2-e6d2-9fa0-af29-94a84c592cff@bradakis.com> References: <11f1a2b2-e6d2-9fa0-af29-94a84c592cff@bradakis.com> Message-ID: 26-28 June 2020. Also, see websites like SVRA, MID-OHIO, FOT, kaskastner.com I assume all of these websites are up to date. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Dec 1, 2019, at 12:35 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > ?S0 for the 2020 Kastner Cup I was planning on flying to Indianapolis to visit there, then acquiring a vehicle to drive to the event. I was just talking to the fellow I was going to visit and he expressed an interest in joining me for the weekend. I was going to give him the exact dates, but forgot. > > No problem, the FOT list has a searchable archive. So I go to the archive, type '2020 Kastner Cup' in the search box, and get 0 matches. Not even 1. Odd. Maybe the archiving program I am using is not the greatest. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Dec 3 07:00:41 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 08:00:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons Message-ID: FOT, Does anyone buy JE 89mm pistons? If not, where do you get them? I have a friend in France who is looking for 12 of them. Thank you. http://www.jepistons.com/Catalogs/Automotive/Index.aspx Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Dec 3 07:42:28 2019 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 14:42:28 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I always bought my JE pistons directly from JE. Scott (B.) -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 8:01 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons FOT, Does anyone buy JE 89mm pistons? If not, where do you get them? I have a friend in France who is looking for 12 of them. Thank you. https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jepistons.com%2FCatalogs%2FAutomotive%2FIndex.aspx&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ce9ddba7ed57e4055592808d777f98290%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637109785841496186&sdata=GimoZIT60LacPqvGv0%2Be4bB%2FQp05DIg7ygjEPcbN1Mo%3D&reserved=0 Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing.com&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ce9ddba7ed57e4055592808d777f98290%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637109785841501184&sdata=7lSZiUS%2FEvPch6zMGAAXEDlNaS%2FZmMqDRNYu3kFhRwg%3D&reserved=0 Donate: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fdonate.html&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ce9ddba7ed57e4055592808d777f98290%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637109785841501184&sdata=KxH7r%2Bq0VKmTYMnF1U6LI6SB9Dm0OV5ZFjIkVNUaD7s%3D&reserved=0 Archive: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Farchive&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ce9ddba7ed57e4055592808d777f98290%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637109785841501184&sdata=dXUu4mRbgp6mJXhUO7ky7kJbJO%2FnH%2BUvfDgEUfqKYxA%3D&reserved=0 https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fpipermail%2Ffot&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ce9ddba7ed57e4055592808d777f98290%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637109785841501184&sdata=pSN7oJ0VVYdzCXuzumnqN7zfTKCqrzbZyvWkusmVlBU%3D&reserved=0 Unsubscribe/Manage: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fsbarr%40mccarty-law.com&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ce9ddba7ed57e4055592808d777f98290%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637109785841501184&sdata=G5wwPC%2BdUjKm9Ri3GLI0yIv1hdA3dclKhIMOs4cdV5I%3D&reserved=0 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Dec 3 09:40:56 2019 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (JAMES GRAY) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 09:40:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <179246572.408622.1575391256851@connect.xfinity.com> Wiseco makes all my pistons, I use pop ups and they will give me any size dome I want. Sue Nash has been great to work with. I've always bought them through BFE but technical coordination has been between myself and Sue. Nash, Sue Jim G. > On December 3, 2019 at 7:00 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > > FOT, > > Does anyone buy JE 89mm pistons? > If not, where do you get them? > > I have a friend in France who is looking for 12 of them. > > Thank you. > > http://www.jepistons.com/Catalogs/Automotive/Index.aspx > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Dec 3 11:09:42 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 13:09:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons In-Reply-To: <179246572.408622.1575391256851@connect.xfinity.com> References: <179246572.408622.1575391256851@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <09c42646-7023-fa08-69c9-a86fca9094b1@verizon.net> I think Wiseco ans JE are located in the same building east of Cleveland. They are competitors but also work together on projects. I got a tour one day; spectacular shop. Cheers Bill On 12/3/2019 11:40 AM, JAMES GRAY via Fot wrote: > Wiseco makes all my pistons, I use pop ups and they will give me any size dome I want. > Sue Nash has been great to work with. I've always bought them through BFE but technical > coordination has been between myself and Sue. Nash, Sue > > Jim G. > > > >> On December 3, 2019 at 7:00 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> >> FOT, >> >> Does anyone buy JE 89mm pistons? >> If not, where do you get them? >> >> I have a friend in France who is looking for 12 of them. >> >> Thank you. >> >> http://www.jepistons.com/Catalogs/Automotive/Index.aspx >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Dec 3 12:45:25 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 11:45:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons In-Reply-To: <09c42646-7023-fa08-69c9-a86fca9094b1@verizon.net> References: <09c42646-7023-fa08-69c9-a86fca9094b1@verizon.net> Message-ID: JE is located right around the corner from my office in Cypress CA... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 3, 2019, at 10:09 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > ?I think Wiseco ans JE are located in the same building east of Cleveland. They are competitors but also work together on projects. > > I got a tour one day; spectacular shop. > > Cheers Bill > >> On 12/3/2019 11:40 AM, JAMES GRAY via Fot wrote: >> Wiseco makes all my pistons, I use pop ups and they will give me any size dome I want. >> Sue Nash has been great to work with. I've always bought them through BFE but technical >> coordination has been between myself and Sue. Nash, Sue >> >> Jim G. >> >> >> >>>> On December 3, 2019 at 7:00 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> FOT, >>> >>> Does anyone buy JE 89mm pistons? >>> If not, where do you get them? >>> >>> I have a friend in France who is looking for 12 of them. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> http://www.jepistons.com/Catalogs/Automotive/Index.aspx >>> >>> >>> Joe Alexander >>> 4505 Donald Dr >>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >>> The-vintage-racer.com >>> Gasketinnovations.com >>> Cell: 319.464.4711 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Dec 3 13:29:00 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 12:29:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons In-Reply-To: <09c42646-7023-fa08-69c9-a86fca9094b1@verizon.net> References: <179246572.408622.1575391256851@connect.xfinity.com> <09c42646-7023-fa08-69c9-a86fca9094b1@verizon.net> Message-ID: <164588884.214377.1575404941082@connect.xfinity.com> JE purchased Wiseco from the Kipp family. Mentor, Ohio. I think I called Wiseco fairly recently and they answered the phone as JE. Tom Kipp was a top tier AMA motorcycle racer back in the '90s-2000s. I grew up very near the town of Mentor. Dave H. > On December 3, 2019 at 10:09 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > > I think Wiseco ans JE are located in the same building east of > Cleveland. They are competitors but also work together on projects. > > I got a tour one day; spectacular shop. > > Cheers Bill > > On 12/3/2019 11:40 AM, JAMES GRAY via Fot wrote: > > Wiseco makes all my pistons, I use pop ups and they will give me any size dome I want. > > Sue Nash has been great to work with. I've always bought them through BFE but technical > > coordination has been between myself and Sue. Nash, Sue > > > > Jim G. > > > > > > > >> On December 3, 2019 at 7:00 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > >> > >> > >> FOT, > >> > >> Does anyone buy JE 89mm pistons? > >> If not, where do you get them? > >> > >> I have a friend in France who is looking for 12 of them. > >> > >> Thank you. > >> > >> http://www.jepistons.com/Catalogs/Automotive/Index.aspx > >> > >> > >> Joe Alexander > >> 4505 Donald Dr > >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > >> The-vintage-racer.com > >> Gasketinnovations.com > >> Cell: 319.464.4711 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Dec 3 13:40:10 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 15:40:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons In-Reply-To: References: <09c42646-7023-fa08-69c9-a86fca9094b1@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8332ff02-10be-aba5-de7e-4b87f544ba7f@verizon.net> That's correct. But they are manufactured in Kirtland Ohio in the same plant as Wiseco. Just talked to Wiseco. Cheers Bill OBTW: Sue Nash has been there about 40 years! On 12/3/2019 2:45 PM, Brad Eells wrote: > JE is located right around the corner from my office in Cypress CA... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 3, 2019, at 10:09 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >> >> ?I think Wiseco ans JE are located in the same building east of Cleveland. They are competitors but also work together on projects. >> >> I got a tour one day; spectacular shop. >> >> Cheers Bill >> >>> On 12/3/2019 11:40 AM, JAMES GRAY via Fot wrote: >>> Wiseco makes all my pistons, I use pop ups and they will give me any size dome I want. >>> Sue Nash has been great to work with. I've always bought them through BFE but technical >>> coordination has been between myself and Sue. Nash, Sue >>> >>> Jim G. >>> >>> >>> >>>>> On December 3, 2019 at 7:00 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> FOT, >>>> >>>> Does anyone buy JE 89mm pistons? >>>> If not, where do you get them? >>>> >>>> I have a friend in France who is looking for 12 of them. >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> http://www.jepistons.com/Catalogs/Automotive/Index.aspx >>>> >>>> >>>> Joe Alexander >>>> 4505 Donald Dr >>>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >>>> The-vintage-racer.com >>>> Gasketinnovations.com >>>> Cell: 319.464.4711 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Dec 3 13:40:10 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 15:40:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Automotive Forged Racing Pistons - JE Pistons In-Reply-To: References: <09c42646-7023-fa08-69c9-a86fca9094b1@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8332ff02-10be-aba5-de7e-4b87f544ba7f@verizon.net> That's correct. But they are manufactured in Kirtland Ohio in the same plant as Wiseco. Just talked to Wiseco. Cheers Bill OBTW: Sue Nash has been there about 40 years! On 12/3/2019 2:45 PM, Brad Eells wrote: > JE is located right around the corner from my office in Cypress CA... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 3, 2019, at 10:09 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >> >> ?I think Wiseco ans JE are located in the same building east of Cleveland. They are competitors but also work together on projects. >> >> I got a tour one day; spectacular shop. >> >> Cheers Bill >> >>> On 12/3/2019 11:40 AM, JAMES GRAY via Fot wrote: >>> Wiseco makes all my pistons, I use pop ups and they will give me any size dome I want. >>> Sue Nash has been great to work with. I've always bought them through BFE but technical >>> coordination has been between myself and Sue. Nash, Sue >>> >>> Jim G. >>> >>> >>> >>>>> On December 3, 2019 at 7:00 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> FOT, >>>> >>>> Does anyone buy JE 89mm pistons? >>>> If not, where do you get them? >>>> >>>> I have a friend in France who is looking for 12 of them. >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> http://www.jepistons.com/Catalogs/Automotive/Index.aspx >>>> >>>> >>>> Joe Alexander >>>> 4505 Donald Dr >>>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >>>> The-vintage-racer.com >>>> Gasketinnovations.com >>>> Cell: 319.464.4711 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Dec 7 06:44:41 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 13:44:41 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update Message-ID: Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sat Dec 7 06:55:04 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 08:55:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59124121240846F9B1F455D82FE9EC92@VlackTK121647> FOT, In addition to Marty?s announcement I?ll be rolling out the 2020 Tee Shirt information sometime in January. The design is finalized and very well done in keeping with the quality of past race shirts. As Marty says get registered early please. JVV From: marty via Fot Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2019 8:44 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! Marty Sukey -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Dec 7 18:02:30 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2019 01:02:30 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Crank. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So I purchased a stalled TR6 project a while ago. Part of the collection was this TR6 crank customized by Medina Motorsports. 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I hold full rights to the Spitfire & GT6 Magazine name and likeness, so I give you permission to use for entertainment purposes. I DO, however ask that you not copy them and sell them. I have decided that is not how I want this to work. If you know anyone that can benefit from or would like to see these issues, simply direct them here or share the files with them that you have copied. These and the website are here to help and not to be profited from any longer. We are here to inspire and get those cars back on the road. I hope this helps in that campaign... Merry Christmas! Website: www.triumphspitfire.com Magazine Dropbox files: https://www.dropbox.com/?/3xpfe4?/AACpBcZo69Ws1F4EsdIfo-hDa? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Mon Dec 9 08:37:57 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 10:37:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only $100 to sign up. Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and belts. Scott Janzen GT6 On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot wrote: Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Dec 9 10:57:01 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 17:57:01 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June. Marty ________________________________ From: Scott Janzen Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM To: marty Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only $100 to sign up. Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and belts. Scott Janzen GT6 On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot > wrote: Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Mon Dec 9 11:20:40 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 13:20:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6CE6B8CF-8E26-4770-AF73-AD621FF5019E@me.com> Mike Harmuth just advised me that FIA dating is based on the calendar year, so send it out in a few weeks so that your device gets dated 2020. On Dec 9, 2019, at 12:57 PM, marty via Fot wrote: Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June. Marty From: Scott Janzen > Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM To: marty > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only $100 to sign up. Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and belts. Scott Janzen GT6 On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot > wrote: Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Mon Dec 9 13:25:52 2019 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 15:25:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Likewise, my hand was out of date. Tech was going to note my log book, but there was someone selling gear authorized to recertify, not cheep, but saved shipping back and forth On Mon, Dec 9, 2019, 1:00 PM marty via Fot wrote: > Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins > Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all > my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head > and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version > you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for > recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June. > > Marty > ------------------------------ > *From:* Scott Janzen > *Sent:* Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM > *To:* marty > *Cc:* 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update > > signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only > $100 to sign up. > Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and > belts. > > Scott Janzen > GT6 > > On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot wrote: > > Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes > for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling > into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month > hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 > Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some > will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT > list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup > races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I > have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we > will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log > onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. > Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to > start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 > back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for > the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA > is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Dec 9 13:28:46 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 21:28:46 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <000e01d5aecf$4284cb40$c78e61c0$@gmail.com> Hi Guys, my HANS doesn't has a expire date on it. Means it lasts forever? Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von marty via Fot Gesendet: Montag, 9. Dezember 2019 18:57 Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Betreff: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June. Marty _____ From: Scott Janzen > Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM To: marty > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it's only $100 to sign up. Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and belts. Scott Janzen GT6 On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot > wrote: Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at artwithcars.com Mon Dec 9 14:16:20 2019 From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 13:16:20 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear In-Reply-To: <000e01d5aecf$4284cb40$c78e61c0$@gmail.com> References: <000e01d5aecf$4284cb40$c78e61c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: They require recertification after a certain interval (five years?) I sent mine to Simpson and they replace the straps. It was $65 ~Steve > On Dec 9, 2019, at 12:29 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi Guys, > > my HANS doesn?t has a expire date on it. Means it lasts forever? > > Cheers > Chris > > > > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von marty via Fot > Gesendet: Montag, 9. Dezember 2019 18:57 > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear > > Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June. > > Marty > From: Scott Janzen > Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM > To: marty > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update > > signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only $100 to sign up. > Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and belts. > > Scott Janzen > GT6 > > On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot wrote: > > Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/steve at artwithcars.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Dec 9 14:21:07 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 22:21:07 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear In-Reply-To: References: <000e01d5aecf$4284cb40$c78e61c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001701d5aed6$92b4e260$b81ea720$@gmail.com> Over the years, mine HANS has passed scrutineering in whole Europe. It is in use since I think 2012 or something? Cheers Chris Von: Steven Belfer Gesendet: Montag, 9. Dezember 2019 22:16 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: fot at autox. team. net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear They require recertification after a certain interval (five years?) I sent mine to Simpson and they replace the straps. It was $65 ~Steve On Dec 9, 2019, at 12:29 PM, Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: ? Hi Guys, my HANS doesn?t has a expire date on it. Means it lasts forever? Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von marty via Fot Gesendet: Montag, 9. Dezember 2019 18:57 Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Betreff: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June. Marty _____ From: Scott Janzen > Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM To: marty > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only $100 to sign up. Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and belts. Scott Janzen GT6 On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot > wrote: Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/steve at artwithcars.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Mon Dec 9 14:40:00 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 16:40:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear In-Reply-To: <000e01d5aecf$4284cb40$c78e61c0$@gmail.com> References: <000e01d5aecf$4284cb40$c78e61c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Christian, mine is the same. It was built before the FIA adopted a standard. It is good forever, (kind of like SPAM) from a sanctioning body point of view, it has no expiration date explicitly listed. But, I found out the helmet straps do have a date on them and a fixed lifetime .SCCA, my normal run group, doesn't check them as long as the HANS frame is in compliance. SVRA does look and I had to buy a new tether at the track. I have an original HANS brand device, I can't speak to the requirements or limitations on other manufacture's hardware. mike h On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 3:29 PM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > Hi Guys, > > > > my HANS doesn?t has a expire date on it. Means it lasts forever? > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > > > *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *marty via Fot > *Gesendet:* Montag, 9. Dezember 2019 18:57 > *Cc:* 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > *Betreff:* [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear > > > > Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins > Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all > my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head > and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version > you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for > recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June. > > > > Marty > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Scott Janzen > *Sent:* Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM > *To:* marty > *Cc:* 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update > > > > signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only > $100 to sign up. > > Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and > belts. > > > > Scott Janzen > > GT6 > > > > On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot wrote: > > > > Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes > for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling > into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month > hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 > Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some > will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT > list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup > races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I > have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we > will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log > onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. > Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to > start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 > back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for > the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA > is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! > > > > Marty Sukey > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Dec 9 16:39:57 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 23:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear References: <21644317.3511894.1575934797174.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <21644317.3511894.1575934797174@mail.yahoo.com> Note the language used by SVRA for fire systems: On Board Fire Suppression Systems and Fire Extinguishers shall be maintained according the manufacture?s recommendations.? This is similar to the SCCA. For systems bearing an SFI label, this means they need to be tested every two years. ? Dates are month-specific and shown on the label on the bottle. ?Sometimes this is enforced, sometimes not.? The small handheld fire extinguishers typically used (where allowed) in race cars often have ?no periodic maintenance schedule on them. ?Note that the National Fire Protection Association indicates a life expectancy of 12 to 15 years. ? Phil -----Original Message----- From: Mike Harmuth via Fot To: Christian Marx Cc: fot at autox. team. net Sent: Mon, Dec 9, 2019 4:41 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear Hi Christian, mine is the same. It was built before the FIA adopted a standard. It is good forever, (kind of like SPAM) from a sanctioning body point of view, it has no expiration date explicitly listed. But, I found out the helmet straps do have a date on them and a fixed lifetime .SCCA, my normal run group, doesn't check them as long as the HANS frame is in compliance. SVRA does look and I had to buy a new tether at the track.?I have an original?HANS brand device, I can't speak to the requirements or limitations on other manufacture's hardware. mike h On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 3:29 PM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: Hi Guys,?my HANS doesn?t has a expire date on it. Means it lasts forever??CheersChris???Von: Fot Im Auftrag von marty via Fot Gesendet: Montag, 9. Dezember 2019 18:57 Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Betreff: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear?Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June.?MartyFrom: Scott Janzen Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM To: marty Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update ?signed up. Easy.? If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only $100 to sign up. Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and belts.?Scott JanzenGT6?On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot wrote:?Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on? Sunday you will get your $100 back.? I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA is going assign us spots. 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Sometimes this is enforced, sometimes not. > > The small handheld fire extinguishers typically used (where allowed) in > race cars often have no periodic maintenance schedule on them. Note that > the National Fire Protection Association indicates a life expectancy of 12 > to 15 years. > > Phil > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Harmuth via Fot > To: Christian Marx > Cc: fot at autox. team. net > Sent: Mon, Dec 9, 2019 4:41 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear > > Hi Christian, mine is the same. It was built before the FIA adopted a > standard. It is good forever, (kind of like SPAM) from a sanctioning body > point of view, it has no expiration date explicitly listed. But, I found > out the helmet straps do have a date on them and a fixed lifetime .SCCA, my > normal run group, doesn't check them as long as the HANS frame is in > compliance. SVRA does look and I had to buy a new tether at the track. > I have an original HANS brand device, I can't speak to the requirements or > limitations on other manufacture's hardware. > > mike h > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 3:29 PM Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > my HANS doesn?t has a expire date on it. Means it lasts forever? > > Cheers > Chris > > > > *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *marty via Fot > *Gesendet:* Montag, 9. Dezember 2019 18:57 > *Cc:* 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > *Betreff:* [Fot] Kastner Cup Safety Gear > > Scott brings up an good point. Based on my tech experience at Watkins > Glen, SVRA did a typical inspection on my car but they did go through all > my gear and belts with a fine tooth comb. All your gear including your head > and neck restraint MUST be up to date. If your HANS (or whatever version > you run) is not current per the SVRA rules send them out for > recertification now or you WILL have issues at tech come June. > > Marty > ------------------------------ > *From:* Scott Janzen > *Sent:* Monday, December 9, 2019 10:37 AM > *To:* marty > *Cc:* 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup December Update > > signed up. Easy. If you are not doing any of the special events it?s only > $100 to sign up. > Time to send my Hans off to get re-certified - I hear SVRA checks this and > belts. > > Scott Janzen > GT6 > > On Dec 7, 2019, at 8:44 AM, marty via Fot wrote: > > Good morning all. There is a bunch of activity going on behind the scenes > for next years Kastner Cup at Mid Ohio. Some really neat things are falling > into place. I should be able to share them with the masses next month > hopefully when more things are finalized. On my unofficial list I have 58 > Triumph racers that have expressed intentions to be there. Given that some > will not be able to make it and some will show up that are not on the FOT > list it is looking like this will be a new record for the Kastner Cup > races. I plan to start begging for paddock spots with SVRA in January. I > have sketched out a preliminary paddock map and if everybody shows up we > will be taking over more than half of the upper paddock. I need you to log > onto the SVRA site and register for the event if you have not done so yet. > Remember, this race is only going to cost you $100 and if you are able to > start the feature race (Kastner Cup) on Sunday you will get your $100 > back. I have my driver count but when it comes to secure paddock space for > the group the number of registrations is what is going to count when SVRA > is going assign us spots. Stay warm and get those Triumphs ready! > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have already registered and it wont let me open my registration back up on line to see the exact wording but here is what I remember. When you click on the event registration link for this event on the SVRA web site you will get a drop down menu showing all the options. About three lines down there is a line for the Kastner Cup/ Feature race for $100. It states somewhere in that line that if you are a Triumph competitor that you only have to select that line item to be registered for the entire weekend. I hope that makes sense, and I hope I remember correctly. My receipt reflects that to be correct. Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Dec 13 13:38:02 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 20:38:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 7-1/4 dia Tilton Clutch Disc Message-ID: I purchased the set of three Tilton clutch disc that were posted on the list recently. It appears that Tilton mistakenly sent Mark 7/8 x 10 spline disc instead of 1 x 10spline disc. So I have 3 brand new still in the boxes 7-1/4 dia. Tilton clutch disc with a 7/8 x 10 spline core that I cannot use. These will work in a Tilton or Quartermaster clutch setup. The thickness is .104. If anybody can use them they are for sale for what I paid which is $250. This is like a $150 savings. I can ship them to you instead of Mark and save him the aggravation of relisting them. Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sun Dec 15 10:49:51 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 11:49:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK Message-ID: <63E7134C-64B7-40EF-A613-71E0C1B9BEE5@icloud.com> I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. Thanks Greg. http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 Sent from my iPhone From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Mon Dec 16 08:49:23 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 16:49:23 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK In-Reply-To: <63E7134C-64B7-40EF-A613-71E0C1B9BEE5@icloud.com> References: <63E7134C-64B7-40EF-A613-71E0C1B9BEE5@icloud.com> Message-ID: <157490412.165958881.1576511363767.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018". Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of machining. I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was always satisfied. Marcel. ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51 Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. Thanks Greg. http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at veral From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Dec 16 10:55:12 2019 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 17:55:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK In-Reply-To: <157490412.165958881.1576511363767.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <63E7134C-64B7-40EF-A613-71E0C1B9BEE5@icloud.com> <157490412.165958881.1576511363767.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <665770407.9348668.1576518912349@mail.yahoo.com> The liners distort a lot when torqued down, even 87mm.I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anything on them. Glen Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough? with the normal thickness? -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: Greg Blake Cc: fot Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018". Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough? with the normal thickness? Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of machining. I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was always satisfied. Marcel. ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51 Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. Thanks Greg.? http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at veral _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From horizonracing at msn.com Mon Dec 16 11:01:43 2019 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 18:01:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK In-Reply-To: <665770407.9348668.1576518912349@mail.yahoo.com> References: <63E7134C-64B7-40EF-A613-71E0C1B9BEE5@icloud.com> <157490412.165958881.1576511363767.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>, <665770407.9348668.1576518912349@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Regardless of who makes or supplies the liners , with the correct protrusion, the liner will hourglass . Only way to correct this is the use of a torque plate and then proceed with boring and honing to final finish size . Yes , a lot of work but you?ll get better ring seal and hopefully not stick a piston :-) Merry Christmas to all T Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:55 AM, fubog1 via Fot > wrote: The liners distort a lot when torqued down, even 87mm. I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anything on them. Glen Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > To: Greg Blake > Cc: fot > Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018". Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of machining. I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was always satisfied. Marcel. ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51 Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. Thanks Greg. http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at veral _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regardless of who makes or supplies the liners , with the correct protrusion, the liner will hourglass . > Only way to correct this is the use of a torque plate and then proceed with boring and honing to final finish size . > > Yes , a lot of work but you?ll get better ring seal and hopefully not stick a piston :-) > > Merry Christmas to all > T > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:55 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: >> >> The liners distort a lot when torqued down, even 87mm. >> I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anything on them. >> Glen >> Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot >> To: Greg Blake >> Cc: fot >> Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK >> >> The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018". >> Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? >> Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of machining. >> I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was always satisfied. >> Marcel. >> >> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- >> Van: "fot" >> Aan: "fot" >> Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51 >> Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK >> >> I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. >> >> Thanks >> Greg. >> >> >> http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at veral >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regardless of who makes or supplies the liners , with the correct protrusion, the liner will hourglass . > Only way to correct this is the use of a torque plate and then proceed with boring and honing to final finish size . > > Yes , a lot of work but you?ll get better ring seal and hopefully not stick a piston :-) > > Merry Christmas to all > T > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:55 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: >> >> The liners distort a lot when torqued down, even 87mm. >> I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anything on them. >> Glen >> Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot >> To: Greg Blake >> Cc: fot >> Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK >> >> The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018". >> Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? >> Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of machining. >> I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was always satisfied. >> Marcel. >> >> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- >> Van: "fot" >> Aan: "fot" >> Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51 >> Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK >> >> I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. >> >> Thanks >> Greg. >> >> >> http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at veral >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Mon Dec 16 13:39:00 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 21:39:00 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK In-Reply-To: <1692276380.167094310.1576528660491.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <38DA89D3-E0F4-4FBE-BE6C-E2FC6FCF028D@aol.com> <1692276380.167094310.1576528660491.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <735573868.167099712.1576528740280.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Van: "van mulders marcel" Aan: "Phil Gott" Verzonden: Maandag 16 december 2019 21:37:40 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK That's why the copper gaskets are a bit thicker than the steel ones. The liners of Darryl are sitting a little bit lower (some 0.006 : probably not relevant?) and the block can be milled : that is surely an advantage to get a flat top face and the right protrusion of the liners everywhere. Few blocks are truly flat and in most cases the protrusion is not even everywhere. So I do agree that there is a lot to say for the longer liners that Daryll is selling, not only the 72 ? a set! Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Tony and Annie Garmey" Cc: "fot" , "fubog1" Verzonden: Maandag 16 december 2019 19:33:44 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK Daryl advocates decking the block as well To get proper protrusion. Eliminating the gasket reduces variation in protrusion due to variable gasket thicknesses, and also eliminates some of the possible loss of protrusion due to gasket compression ( more likely with copper than with steel). Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN BQ_END Regardless of who makes or supplies the liners , with the correct protrusion, the liner will hourglass . Only way to correct this is the use of a torque plate and then proceed with boring and honing to final finish size . Yes , a lot of work but you?ll get better ring seal and hopefully not stick a piston :-) Merry Christmas to all T Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:55 AM, fubog1 via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN The liners distort a lot when torqued down, even 87mm. I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anything on them. Glen BQ_BEGIN Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? BQ_END -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > To: Greg Blake < [ mailto:gblake58tr3 at icloud.com | gblake58tr3 at icloud.com ] > Cc: fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018". Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal thickness? Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of machining. I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was always satisfied. Marcel. ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Aan: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51 Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. Thanks Greg. 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URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Dec 16 13:57:00 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 14:57:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK In-Reply-To: <735573868.167099712.1576528740280.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <38DA89D3-E0F4-4FBE-BE6C-E2FC6FCF028D@aol.com> <1692276380.167094310.1576528660491.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <735573868.167099712.1576528740280.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: I've seen blocks that were faced with a slope to one side. Could have been bad prior machine work or that the factory registered the deck surface to the figure eight's and not the oil pan surface. Bob Kramer On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 2:39 PM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"van mulders marcel" > *Aan: *"Phil Gott" > *Verzonden: *Maandag 16 december 2019 21:37:40 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall > Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK > > That's why the copper gaskets are a bit thicker than the steel ones. > The liners of Darryl are sitting a little bit lower (some 0.006 : probably > not relevant?) and the block can be milled : that is surely an advantage to > get a flat top face and the right protrusion of the liners everywhere. Few > blocks are truly flat and in most cases the protrusion is not even > everywhere. So I do agree that there is a lot to say for the longer liners > that Daryll is selling, not only the 72 ? a set! > Marcel > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"Tony and Annie Garmey" > *Cc: *"fot" , "fubog1" > *Verzonden: *Maandag 16 december 2019 19:33:44 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall > Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK > > Daryl advocates decking the block as well To get proper protrusion. > Eliminating the gasket reduces variation in protrusion due to variable > gasket thicknesses, and also eliminates some of the possible loss of > protrusion due to gasket compression ( more likely with copper than with > steel). > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 16, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > ? > > Regardless of who makes or supplies the liners , with the correct > protrusion, the liner will hourglass . > Only way to correct this is the use of a torque plate and then proceed > with boring and honing to final finish size . > > Yes , a lot of work but you?ll get better ring seal and hopefully not > stick a piston :-) > > Merry Christmas to all > T > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:55 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: > > The liners distort a lot when torqued down, even 87mm. > I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anything > on them. > Glen > > Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal > thickness? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > To: Greg Blake > Cc: fot > Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston > Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK > > The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018". > Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal > thickness? > Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of > machining. > I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was > always satisfied. > Marcel. > > ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- > Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51 > Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston > Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK > > I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used > these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. > > Thanks > Greg. > > > > http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at veral > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(DOT 5) Joe > On December 17, 2019 at 5:51 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > > Hey Friends > > Anyone testify to resilience of this Eastwood paint or Imron paint as far as resistance to brake fluid? > https://www.eastwood.com/promotions/autobody-specials.html?limit=all > > I'm going to clean up my firewall and would like to use something harder than the usual stuff. > > Cheers and Merry Christmas > Brian > > Brian Schirano > #26 Blue/White GT6 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 17 18:37:38 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 01:37:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] brake fluid resistant paint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <507655666.378660.1576633058852@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I can't speak for Imron or the Eastwood paint, but I've used catalyzed urethane like Nason 2k and I've been quite happy with it on the race car and I have spilled DOT 4 fluid on it and the paint did not discolor or peel as long as I wiped it right off. I also flush the surface with lots of water out of an abundance of caution. I would say that I'm pleasantly surprised, but also satisfied. So much so, I'm painting under the hood on the restoration I'm doing now with that Nason 2k urethane. Regards,Bob Lang On Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 7:51:50 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: Hey Friends Anyone testify to resilience?of this Eastwood paint or Imron paint as far as resistance to brake fluid?https://www.eastwood.com/promotions/autobody-specials.html?limit=all I'm going to clean up my firewall and would like to use something harder than the usual stuff.? Cheers and Merry ChristmasBrian Brian Schirano#26 Blue/White GT6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Tue Dec 17 19:57:31 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 21:57:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake fluid resistant paint In-Reply-To: <507655666.378660.1576633058852@mail.yahoo.com> References: <507655666.378660.1576633058852@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <97D67A4D-88BA-4572-9DA7-100966F1107A@aol.com> Funny: Years ago (late ?70s) my crew chief bought a bug eye painted with Imron. He wanted to change the color, but sanding the Imron proved tough going. So we used Castrol LMA brake fluid to slightly soften and roughen up the paint. It took off the gloss and provided a nice surface for bonding the primer. In due time the car was sold, but it was seen again two + decades later with the same paint job... Triumph Signal Red. So maybe Imron won?t resist brake fluid as well as you would like.... Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi, > > I can't speak for Imron or the Eastwood paint, but I've used catalyzed urethane like Nason 2k and I've been quite happy with it on the race car and I have spilled DOT 4 fluid on it and the paint did not discolor or peel as long as I wiped it right off. I also flush the surface with lots of water out of an abundance of caution. I would say that I'm pleasantly surprised, but also satisfied. So much so, I'm painting under the hood on the restoration I'm doing now with that Nason 2k urethane. > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > On Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 7:51:50 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > > > Hey Friends > > Anyone testify to resilience of this Eastwood paint or Imron paint as far as resistance to brake fluid? > https://www.eastwood.com/promotions/autobody-specials.html?limit=all > > I'm going to clean up my firewall and would like to use something harder than the usual stuff. > > Cheers and Merry Christmas > Brian > > Brian Schirano > #26 Blue/White GT6 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Tue Dec 17 19:57:31 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 21:57:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake fluid resistant paint In-Reply-To: <507655666.378660.1576633058852@mail.yahoo.com> References: <507655666.378660.1576633058852@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <97D67A4D-88BA-4572-9DA7-100966F1107A@aol.com> Funny: Years ago (late ?70s) my crew chief bought a bug eye painted with Imron. He wanted to change the color, but sanding the Imron proved tough going. So we used Castrol LMA brake fluid to slightly soften and roughen up the paint. It took off the gloss and provided a nice surface for bonding the primer. In due time the car was sold, but it was seen again two + decades later with the same paint job... Triumph Signal Red. So maybe Imron won?t resist brake fluid as well as you would like.... Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi, > > I can't speak for Imron or the Eastwood paint, but I've used catalyzed urethane like Nason 2k and I've been quite happy with it on the race car and I have spilled DOT 4 fluid on it and the paint did not discolor or peel as long as I wiped it right off. I also flush the surface with lots of water out of an abundance of caution. I would say that I'm pleasantly surprised, but also satisfied. So much so, I'm painting under the hood on the restoration I'm doing now with that Nason 2k urethane. > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > On Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 7:51:50 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > > > Hey Friends > > Anyone testify to resilience of this Eastwood paint or Imron paint as far as resistance to brake fluid? > https://www.eastwood.com/promotions/autobody-specials.html?limit=all > > I'm going to clean up my firewall and would like to use something harder than the usual stuff. > > Cheers and Merry Christmas > Brian > > Brian Schirano > #26 Blue/White GT6 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Dec 17 22:16:25 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 21:16:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] brake fluid resistant paint In-Reply-To: <97D67A4D-88BA-4572-9DA7-100966F1107A@aol.com> References: <97D67A4D-88BA-4572-9DA7-100966F1107A@aol.com> Message-ID: I think boiling points are the issue with DOT5 and racing applications: https://epicbleedsolutions.com/blogs/faq/whats-the-difference-between-dot-4-and-dot-5-1-brake-fluid Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > ?Funny: > Years ago (late ?70s) my crew chief bought a bug eye painted with Imron. He wanted to change the color, but sanding the Imron proved tough going. So we used Castrol LMA brake fluid to slightly soften and roughen up the paint. It took off the gloss and provided a nice surface for bonding the primer. In due time the car was sold, but it was seen again two + decades later with the same paint job... Triumph Signal Red. > So maybe Imron won?t resist brake fluid as well as you would like.... > Phil Gott > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Dec 17, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Hi, >> >> I can't speak for Imron or the Eastwood paint, but I've used catalyzed urethane like Nason 2k and I've been quite happy with it on the race car and I have spilled DOT 4 fluid on it and the paint did not discolor or peel as long as I wiped it right off. I also flush the surface with lots of water out of an abundance of caution. I would say that I'm pleasantly surprised, but also satisfied. So much so, I'm painting under the hood on the restoration I'm doing now with that Nason 2k urethane. >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> On Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 7:51:50 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Hey Friends >> >> Anyone testify to resilience of this Eastwood paint or Imron paint as far as resistance to brake fluid? >> https://www.eastwood.com/promotions/autobody-specials.html?limit=all >> >> I'm going to clean up my firewall and would like to use something harder than the usual stuff. >> >> Cheers and Merry Christmas >> Brian >> >> Brian Schirano >> #26 Blue/White GT6 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Dec 18 03:56:29 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:56:29 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] brake fluid resistant paint In-Reply-To: <1488945635.228300.1576631501317@myemail.cox.net> References: <1488945635.228300.1576631501317@myemail.cox.net> Message-ID: <875610039.177238212.1576666589420.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> There is some confusion about DOT 5 ; DOT 5 and DOT 5.1 are not the same : I believe DOT 5 is the silicone brakefluid : not suitable for racing, not because of the boiling point, but it is very difficult to expell all the air out of the brake lines : it takes a lot of time, it can't be done in one go and that is a problem of course when one needs to bleed the brakes during a race week-end. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Brian Schirano" , "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 18 december 2019 02:11:41 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] brake fluid resistant paint I prefer to use paint resistant brake fluid. (DOT 5) Joe On December 17, 2019 at 5:51 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: Hey Friends Anyone testify to resilience of this Eastwood paint or Imron paint as far as resistance to brake fluid? [ https://www.eastwood.com/promotions/autobody-specials.html?limit=all | https://www.eastwood.com/promotions/autobody-specials.html?limit=all ] I'm going to clean up my firewall and would like to use something harder than the usual stuff. Cheers and Merry Christmas Brian Brian Schirano #26 Blue/White GT6 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Wed Dec 18 05:21:19 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 07:21:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK In-Reply-To: References: <38DA89D3-E0F4-4FBE-BE6C-E2FC6FCF028D@aol.com> <1692276380.167094310.1576528660491.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <735573868.167099712.1576528740280.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: I sent an inquiry to Racetorations concerning their no-gasket liners and received the following information from Darryl Uprichard. John, The liners at their interface with the block location holes do not require machining. The block in this area does. Just needs a* very light face* and at the same time ensuring that the liners will fit at a* true 90degrees to the head face.* Liner deck height to block should *ideally be .005".* .003" minimum. .007" maximum. Regards, Darryl. On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 3:57 PM Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > I've seen blocks that were faced with a slope to one side. Could have been > bad prior machine work or that the factory registered the deck surface to > the figure eight's and not the oil pan surface. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 2:39 PM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *Van: *"van mulders marcel" >> *Aan: *"Phil Gott" >> *Verzonden: *Maandag 16 december 2019 21:37:40 >> *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall >> Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK >> >> That's why the copper gaskets are a bit thicker than the steel ones. >> The liners of Darryl are sitting a little bit lower (some 0.006 : >> probably not relevant?) and the block can be milled : that is surely an >> advantage to get a flat top face and the right protrusion of the liners >> everywhere. Few blocks are truly flat and in most cases the protrusion is >> not even everywhere. So I do agree that there is a lot to say for the >> longer liners that Daryll is selling, not only the 72 ? a set! >> Marcel >> ------------------------------ >> *Van: *"fot" >> *Aan: *"Tony and Annie Garmey" >> *Cc: *"fot" , "fubog1" >> *Verzonden: *Maandag 16 december 2019 19:33:44 >> *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall >> Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK >> >> Daryl advocates decking the block as well To get proper protrusion. >> Eliminating the gasket reduces variation in protrusion due to variable >> gasket thicknesses, and also eliminates some of the possible loss of >> protrusion due to gasket compression ( more likely with copper than with >> steel). >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 16, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Regardless of who makes or supplies the liners , with the correct >> protrusion, the liner will hourglass . >> Only way to correct this is the use of a torque plate and then proceed >> with boring and honing to final finish size . >> >> Yes , a lot of work but you?ll get better ring seal and hopefully not >> stick a piston :-) >> >> Merry Christmas to all >> T >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:55 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: >> >> The liners distort a lot when torqued down, even 87mm. >> I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anything >> on them. >> Glen >> >> Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the >> normal thickness? >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot >> To: Greg Blake >> Cc: fot >> Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston >> Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK >> >> The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018". >> Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the >> normal thickness? >> Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of >> machining. >> I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was >> always satisfied. >> Marcel. >> >> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- >> Van: "fot" >> Aan: "fot" >> Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51 >> Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston >> Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK >> >> I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used >> these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing. >> >> Thanks >> Greg. >> >> >> >> http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914 >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at veral >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lots of stuff going on behind the scenes and I should be able to start sharing in a month or so. You will be glad you came, I can say that much. All of you have a merry Christmas and a wonderful 2020. Get to wrenching! Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Fri Dec 20 16:25:35 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 18:25:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP END OF DECEMBER POST In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 60 Triumphs - How much Speedy Dry did you order? great news, going to be fun mike h On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 6:06 PM marty via Fot wrote: > Things are progressing for next years race. As we sit today we have a > possible starting grid of 60 Triumphs, 7 are UK friends. (you are all > registered, right?) If everybody shows up it should be a pretty darn > amazing weekend. If you are planning on attending and haven't already let > me know please shoot me an email. Lots of stuff going on behind the scenes > and I should be able to start sharing in a month or so. You will be glad > you came, I can say that much. All of you have a merry Christmas and a > wonderful 2020. Get to wrenching! > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Fri Dec 20 16:57:26 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 15:57:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP END OF DECEMBER POST In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1322157321.49852.1576886246310@connect.xfinity.com> Thanks for the update, Marty. That's fantastic news. With at least 60 cars penciled in and 6 months to go, this event will surely be EPIC! You are doing an excellent job. Thank you. Best of this holiday season to all, Dave H. > On December 20, 2019 at 3:05 PM marty via Fot wrote: > > Things are progressing for next years race. As we sit today we have a possible starting grid of 60 Triumphs, 7 are UK friends. (you are all registered, right?) If everybody shows up it should be a pretty darn amazing weekend. If you are planning on attending and haven't already let me know please shoot me an email. Lots of stuff going on behind the scenes and I should be able to start sharing in a month or so. You will be glad you came, I can say that much. All of you have a merry Christmas and a wonderful 2020. Get to wrenching! > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Sat Dec 21 07:05:26 2019 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2019 14:05:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP END OF DECEMBER POST In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1413680697.1421620.1576937126542@mail.yahoo.com> Only 29 Triumphs registered so far. Rick On Friday, December 20, 2019, 06:06:07 PM EST, marty via Fot wrote: #yiv8136431900 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Things are progressing for next years race. As we sit today we have a possible starting grid of 60 Triumphs, 7 are UK friends. (you are all registered, right?) If everybody shows up it should be a pretty darn amazing weekend. If you are planning on attending and haven't already let me know please shoot me an email. Lots of stuff going on behind the scenes and I should be able to start sharing in a month or so. You will be glad you came, I can say that much.? All of you have a merry Christmas and a wonderful 2020. Get to wrenching! Marty Sukey_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Sat Dec 21 07:46:53 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2019 08:46:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP END OF DECEMBER POST In-Reply-To: <1413680697.1421620.1576937126542@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1413680697.1421620.1576937126542@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <81B49E89-9D0E-469D-8508-4D5D084F71FC@gmail.com> I registered yesterday. I figured it was time to get on the list and see if I can get my car number. Almost never happens but the early bird ......... Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 21, 2019, at 8:05 AM, Rick Parent via Fot wrote: > > ? > Only 29 Triumphs registered so far. > > Rick > > On Friday, December 20, 2019, 06:06:07 PM EST, marty via Fot wrote: > > > Things are progressing for next years race. As we sit today we have a possible starting grid of 60 Triumphs, 7 are UK friends. (you are all registered, right?) If everybody shows up it should be a pretty darn amazing weekend. If you are planning on attending and haven't already let me know please shoot me an email. Lots of stuff going on behind the scenes and I should be able to start sharing in a month or so. You will be glad you came, I can say that much. All of you have a merry Christmas and a wonderful 2020. Get to wrenching! > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I also got the following conformation From Rick Parent cheif tech at SVRA "we always make a way to incorporate different prep level cars on feature weekends, it's good for the fans as well as the competitors, we even make spots for SCCA prepped cars so don't let that stop you from inviting them, should be a great event! as a reminder all cars must be race cars with all the proper safety items up to date, must have fuel cells and all drivers must have competition driving licenses" . So make sure your safety gear is up to date and come on down. Marty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Sat Dec 21 08:52:01 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2019 10:52:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP END OF DECEMBER POST In-Reply-To: <81B49E89-9D0E-469D-8508-4D5D084F71FC@gmail.com> References: <1413680697.1421620.1576937126542@mail.yahoo.com> <81B49E89-9D0E-469D-8508-4D5D084F71FC@gmail.com> Message-ID: I wish SVRA would publish their entry list in real time like other clubs. I like to see who has entered in advance instead of the week of the races. On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 9:47 AM Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > I registered yesterday. I figured it was time to get on the list and see > if I can get my car number. Almost never happens but the early bird > ......... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 21, 2019, at 8:05 AM, Rick Parent via Fot > wrote: > > ? > Only 29 Triumphs registered so far. > > Rick > > On Friday, December 20, 2019, 06:06:07 PM EST, marty via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Things are progressing for next years race. As we sit today we have a > possible starting grid of 60 Triumphs, 7 are UK friends. (you are all > registered, right?) If everybody shows up it should be a pretty darn > amazing weekend. If you are planning on attending and haven't already let > me know please shoot me an email. Lots of stuff going on behind the scenes > and I should be able to start sharing in a month or so. You will be glad > you came, I can say that much. All of you have a merry Christmas and a > wonderful 2020. Get to wrenching! > > Marty Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tarch1961935 at gmail.com Fri Dec 20 19:44:13 2019 From: tarch1961935 at gmail.com (Richard Taylor) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 21:44:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP END OF DECEMBER POST In-Reply-To: <1322157321.49852.1576886246310@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1322157321.49852.1576886246310@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <1D636207-6466-41EC-B4DA-D58188D2A0C7@gmail.com> Marty, Pencil me in. I?ve got a few friends thinking it?s time for me to win the Big One, and they?re helping get old 196 (TR-4) cookin. Of course they want to trailer it to Ohio, but we?ll work that out. This is pretty exciting stuff! Richard L.Taylor, Jr., FAIA > On Dec 20, 2019, at 6:57 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > > Thanks for the update, Marty. That's fantastic news. With at least 60 cars penciled in and 6 months to go, this event will surely be EPIC! You are doing an excellent job. Thank you. > Best of this holiday season to all, > Dave H. >> On December 20, 2019 at 3:05 PM marty via Fot wrote: >> >> Things are progressing for next years race. As we sit today we have a possible starting grid of 60 Triumphs, 7 are UK friends. (you are all registered, right?) If everybody shows up it should be a pretty darn amazing weekend. If you are planning on attending and haven't already let me know please shoot me an email. Lots of stuff going on behind the scenes and I should be able to start sharing in a month or so. You will be glad you came, I can say that much. All of you have a merry Christmas and a wonderful 2020. Get to wrenching! >> >> Marty Sukey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Sunday, December 22, 2019,?Kenneth Knight via Fot??wrote: Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas to All; ? CBS Sports Network has been running the SCCA runoffs from VIR.? Check your service for the times as it looks like they are running them as filler for the Holidays. ? Cheers, Ken _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Check your > service for the times as it looks like they are running them as filler for > the Holidays. > > > > Cheers, Ken > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alanb at alanberrydesign.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Dec 22 16:21:45 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 23:21:45 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Steve Adams Nomination Message-ID: I would like to nominate Steve Adams to our group of nut jobs. Steve is a Spitfire racer from the UK and is planning on shipping his car over to run the Kastner Cup in June. His email is steveadams55 at sky.com. Can I get a second? 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Marty_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Dec 22 17:39:32 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 19:39:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Steve Adams Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FCE1869-7C8F-4482-9BB5-2B167C8A50A8@aol.com> Second! Such dedication! Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 22, 2019, at 6:22 PM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > I would like to nominate Steve Adams to our group of nut jobs. Steve is a Spitfire racer from the UK and is planning on shipping his car over to run the Kastner Cup in June. His email is steveadams55 at sky.com. Can I get a second? > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Dec 22 17:39:32 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 19:39:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Steve Adams Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FCE1869-7C8F-4482-9BB5-2B167C8A50A8@aol.com> Second! Such dedication! Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 22, 2019, at 6:22 PM, marty via Fot wrote: > > ? > I would like to nominate Steve Adams to our group of nut jobs. Steve is a Spitfire racer from the UK and is planning on shipping his car over to run the Kastner Cup in June. His email is steveadams55 at sky.com. Can I get a second? > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brakey6666 at gmail.com Mon Dec 23 20:05:01 2019 From: brakey6666 at gmail.com (Glenn Franco) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 22:05:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing Message-ID: Merry Christmas Quick Question A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor. I've seen this done by spinning the transmission INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive? Thanks in advance Glenn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Tue Dec 24 06:13:16 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 14:13:16 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Steve Adams Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1420432845.217798843.1577193196069.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Second for sure. I've met Steve a couple of times at the Spa Francorchamps circuit. A great character and pleasant company. At that time he was racing a TR4. Some years ago I sold him a brand new stroker crankshaft for his TR4 racer : billet steel and 94mm stroke! The TrCompetition championship does not allow non standard stroke. I asked it after the crankshaft was ready. I wonder what happened with that crankshaft, I believe Steve didn't use it either. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" , "Steve Adams" Verzonden: Maandag 23 december 2019 00:21:45 Onderwerp: [Fot] Steve Adams Nomination I would like to nominate Steve Adams to our group of nut jobs. Steve is a Spitfire racer from the UK and is planning on shipping his car over to run the Kastner Cup in June. His email is steveadams55 at sky.com . Can I get a second? Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 24 09:25:28 2019 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 16:25:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1291346054.3797440.1577204728676@mail.yahoo.com> I have tested overdrives like this for years.? My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed.? Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. Jack On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: Merry ChristmasQuick QuestionA friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor.I've seen this done by spinning the transmission?INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear.Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive?Thanks in advanceGlenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Tue Dec 24 09:51:30 2019 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 16:51:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <1291346054.3797440.1577204728676@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1291346054.3797440.1577204728676@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. ?(Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. ? I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? ?Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! Thanks,Dave Gott 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I have tested overdrives like this for years.? My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed.? Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. Jack On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: Merry ChristmasQuick QuestionA friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor.I've seen this done by spinning the transmission?INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear.Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive?Thanks in advanceGlenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Tue Dec 24 10:47:38 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 11:47:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > > ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. (Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. > > Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? > > Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! > > Thanks, > Dave Gott > 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > I have tested overdrives like this for years. My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed. Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. > > Jack > > On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: > > > Merry Christmas > Quick Question > A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor. > I've seen this done by spinning the transmission INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. > Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive? > Thanks in advance > Glenn > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Tue Dec 24 11:49:53 2019 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 18:49:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? ? Probably my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... ? I was thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised now that I bring up that question. ? Has anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? Dave G Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake wrote: If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi.? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ?I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. ?(Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. ? I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? ?Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! Thanks,Dave Gott 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I have tested overdrives like this for years.? My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed.? Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. Jack On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: Merry ChristmasQuick QuestionA friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor.I've seen this done by spinning the transmission?INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear.Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive?Thanks in advanceGlenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Dec 24 12:01:44 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 13:01:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5b8e3c7e-6cd4-566f-7838-364172f78cb5@tonydrews.com> I didn't spin but I did lock up one rear wheel with a Detroit Locker diff.? Large bang, it didn't like that.? Detroit Locker was OK, but the one way clutch / roller arrangement in the OD broke into multiple pieces.? What's funny is that it still worked perfectly.? I had some debris fall out later when I changed the tranny oil so I took the OD apart and the inner part of the one way roller assembly came out in 3 or 4 pieces. Cheers, Tony On 12/24/2019 12:49 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: > Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens > if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? ? Probably my biggest > concern for running one of these in a race car... ? I was thinking I?d > use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised > now that I bring up that question. ? Has anyone ever spun and rolled > backwards, with OD engaged? > > Dave G > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake > wrote: > > If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the > accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric >> drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. >> ?(Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th >> gear. ? I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 >> psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. >> >> Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not >> have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m >> assuming this might be an issue? ?Or would a load coax the OD to >> releasing as appropriate? >> >> Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! >> >> Thanks, >> Dave Gott >> 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot >> wrote: >> >> I have tested overdrives like this for years.? My drive motor >> only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output >> shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be >> spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed. >> Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in >> the wrong direction. >> >> Jack >> >> On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco >> via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Merry Christmas >> Quick Question >> A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by >> back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a >> pulley and electric motor. >> I've seen this done by spinning the transmission?INPUT shaft >> with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. >> Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning >> clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it >> lock up the overdrive? >> Thanks in advance >> Glenn >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Tue Dec 24 12:18:36 2019 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 19:18:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com>, <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yep...brake & clutch to the floor... also can be wired to disengage ... ask Steve Yott... Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 1:50 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ? Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? Probably my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... I was thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised now that I bring up that question. Has anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? Dave G Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake wrote: If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. (Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! Thanks, Dave Gott 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I have tested overdrives like this for years. My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed. Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. Jack On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: Merry Christmas Quick Question A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor. I've seen this done by spinning the transmission INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive? Thanks in advance Glenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 24 13:48:37 2019 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 20:48:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <5b8e3c7e-6cd4-566f-7838-364172f78cb5@tonydrews.com> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> <5b8e3c7e-6cd4-566f-7838-364172f78cb5@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <122714626.3882401.1577220517950@mail.yahoo.com> I always said those things were stout.? Raced one for 25 years without a failure. Jack On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 2:21:33 PM EST, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: I didn't spin but I did lock up one rear wheel with a Detroit Locker diff.? Large bang, it didn't like that.? Detroit Locker was OK, but the one way clutch / roller arrangement in the OD broke into multiple pieces.? What's funny is that it still worked perfectly.? I had some debris fall out later when I changed the tranny oil so I took the OD apart and the inner part of the one way roller assembly came out in 3 or 4 pieces. Cheers, Tony On 12/24/2019 12:49 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? ? Probably my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... ? I was thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised now that I bring up that question. ? Has anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? Dave G Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake wrote: If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi.? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. ?(Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. ? I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? ?Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! Thanks, Dave Gott 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I have tested overdrives like this for years.? My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed.? Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. Jack On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: Merry Christmas Quick Question A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor. I've seen this done by spinning the transmission?INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive? Thanks in advance Glenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Tue Dec 24 17:00:23 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 18:00:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. Always go two feet in. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 24, 2019, at 12:50 PM, David Gott wrote: > > ? Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? Probably my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... I was thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised now that I bring up that question. Has anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? > > Dave G > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake wrote: > > If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. (Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. >> >> Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? >> >> Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! >> >> Thanks, >> Dave Gott >> 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >> >> I have tested overdrives like this for years. My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed. Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. >> >> Jack >> >> On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Merry Christmas >> Quick Question >> A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor. >> I've seen this done by spinning the transmission INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. >> Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive? >> Thanks in advance >> Glenn >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Dec 24 17:07:16 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 19:07:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. Merry Christmas. Bill On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few > situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not > following this advice and they always come rolling across the track > backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few > unsuspecting racers along the way. ?Always go two feet in. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 24, 2019, at 12:50 PM, David Gott wrote: >> >> ? Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what >> happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? Probably my >> biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... ? I was >> thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is >> ill advised now that I bring up that question. ? Has anyone ever spun >> and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? >> >> Dave G >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake >> wrote: >> >> If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the >> accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric >>> drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. >>> ?(Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used >>> 4th gear. ? I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at >>> 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. >>> >>> Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not >>> have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m >>> assuming this might be an issue? ?Or would a load coax the OD to >>> releasing as appropriate? >>> >>> Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Dave Gott >>> 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot >>> wrote: >>> >>> I have tested overdrives like this for years.? My drive >>> motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the >>> output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft >>> would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward >>> speed.? Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you >>> spun it in the wrong direction. >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco >>> via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> Merry Christmas >>> Quick Question >>> A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by >>> back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a >>> pulley and electric motor. >>> I've seen this done by spinning the transmission?INPUT shaft >>> with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. >>> Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning >>> clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it >>> lock up the overdrive? >>> Thanks in advance >>> Glenn >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >> >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >> >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>> >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 24 19:03:58 2019 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 02:03:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1747094032.3953662.1577239438052@mail.yahoo.com> I can attest to that.? Just under the bridge at Road Atlanta (Runoffs 1993) a Porsche 914 spun in front of me, then came whipping across the track backwards, right in front of me.? At least 5 cars involved, and they red flagged the race.? I went both feet in and the overdrive was about the only piece of my car that remained in tact after that!? There are some videos around.? Ouch!! Jack On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 7:00:26 PM EST, Greg Blake wrote: Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. ?Always go two feet in.? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 12:50 PM, David Gott wrote: ?Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? ? Probably my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... ? I was thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised now that I bring up that question. ? Has anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? Dave G Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake wrote: If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi.? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ?I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. ?(Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. ? I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? ?Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! Thanks,Dave Gott 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I have tested overdrives like this for years.? My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed.? Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. Jack On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: Merry ChristmasQuick QuestionA friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor.I've seen this done by spinning the transmission?INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear.Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive?Thanks in advanceGlenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Dec 25 07:05:54 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 08:05:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Two feet in has its advantages https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > ? > Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. > > Merry Christmas. > > Bill > > On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. Always go two feet in. >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Wed Dec 25 10:13:25 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 11:13:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24613D88-5BD1-42E7-9B81-1795F758DAA9@icloud.com> One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c The MGB behind me was not so fortunate Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > ? > > Two feet in has its advantages > > https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. >> >> Merry Christmas. >> >> Bill >> >> On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>> Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. Always go two feet in. >>> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Wed Dec 25 11:41:45 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 13:41:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <24613D88-5BD1-42E7-9B81-1795F758DAA9@icloud.com> References: <24613D88-5BD1-42E7-9B81-1795F758DAA9@icloud.com> Message-ID: You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like " If you spin, they're towing you in" mike h On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. > > https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c > > The MGB behind me was not so fortunate > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot > wrote: > > ? > > Two feet in has its advantages > > https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot > wrote: > > ? > > Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet > down. > > Merry Christmas. > > Bill > On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations > where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice > and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an > unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the > way. Always go two feet in. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 25 11:50:03 2019 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 10:50:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3928918C-E694-49B3-AF69-4E80D2D76CE6@yahoo.com> Back when the ?blue bush? was installed, many of us no longer raced there... originally the fence was literally at the edge of the track surface all the way around the track. It was like racin in a blue alley...drop a wheel and total your car as it pinballed across the track. Never raced there again Nick I?m NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Dec 25, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > ? > You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like > " If you spin, they're towing you in" > > mike h > >> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. >> >> https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c >> >> The MGB behind me was not so fortunate >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> >>> Two feet in has its advantages >>> >>> https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. >>>> >>>> Merry Christmas. >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>>>> Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. Always go two feet in. >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 25 11:50:03 2019 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 10:50:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3928918C-E694-49B3-AF69-4E80D2D76CE6@yahoo.com> Back when the ?blue bush? was installed, many of us no longer raced there... originally the fence was literally at the edge of the track surface all the way around the track. It was like racin in a blue alley...drop a wheel and total your car as it pinballed across the track. Never raced there again Nick I?m NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Dec 25, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > ? > You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like > " If you spin, they're towing you in" > > mike h > >> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. >> >> https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c >> >> The MGB behind me was not so fortunate >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> >>> Two feet in has its advantages >>> >>> https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. >>>> >>>> Merry Christmas. >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>>>> Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. 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URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed Dec 25 12:13:05 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 19:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing References: <102172160.3529099.1577301185896.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <102172160.3529099.1577301185896@mail.yahoo.com> Mike... Great point.? Many years ago when I first started Vintage Racing, the tracks were 'forgiving'.? If you made a mistake, you spun off mowing the lawn or creating a dust cloud.? The only penalty was embarrassment.? I'll never forget then one first spring event I showed up for at Road America and it was like I was in a street race, surrounded by Century Link Fencing. I was told that as far as Road America was concerned CART had demanded it.? CART was afraid one of their cars would leap the cement barriers/snow fencing and crash into the crowd. ? No question that was a potential issue.? The change was a good idea...but drivers like me (prone to make errors) missed those 'forgiving' tracks. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Mike Harmuth via Fot To: Greg Blake Cc: FoTTriumph Sent: Wed, Dec 25, 2019 10:42 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like" If you spin, they're towing you in" mike h On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in.? https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c The MGB behind me was not so fortunate? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: ? Two feet in has its advantages? https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: ? Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. Merry Christmas. Bill On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way.? 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Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <3928918C-E694-49B3-AF69-4E80D2D76CE6@yahoo.com> References: <3928918C-E694-49B3-AF69-4E80D2D76CE6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001e01d5bb5a$ff35bbe0$fda133a0$@gmail.com> When I broke the front axle and blocked the left front wheel from that, I felt lucky that I made the car going round the corner to the front straight. Wouldn?t made me happy to touch any guard rails. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Nick Black via Fot Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Dezember 2019 19:50 An: Mike Harmuth Cc: FoTTriumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing Back when the ?blue bush? was installed, many of us no longer raced there... originally the fence was literally at the edge of the track surface all the way around the track. It was like racin in a blue alley...drop a wheel and total your car as it pinballed across the track. Never raced there again Nick I?m NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal On Dec 25, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: ? You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like " If you spin, they're towing you in" mike h On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c The MGB behind me was not so fortunate Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot > wrote: ? Two feet in has its advantages https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot > wrote: ? Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. Merry Christmas. Bill On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. 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URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Wed Dec 25 13:07:19 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 15:07:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <001e01d5bb5a$ff35bbe0$fda133a0$@gmail.com> References: <3928918C-E694-49B3-AF69-4E80D2D76CE6@yahoo.com> <001e01d5bb5a$ff35bbe0$fda133a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I had a front row seat to that event. Great job Chris but a disappointment for us all when you went out. JVV From: Chris Marx via Fot Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 2:39 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing When I broke the front axle and blocked the left front wheel from that, I felt lucky that I made the car going round the corner to the front straight. Wouldn?t made me happy to touch any guard rails. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Nick Black via Fot Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Dezember 2019 19:50 An: Mike Harmuth Cc: FoTTriumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing Back when the ?blue bush? was installed, many of us no longer raced there... originally the fence was literally at the edge of the track surface all the way around the track. It was like racin in a blue alley...drop a wheel and total your car as it pinballed across the track. Never raced there again Nick I?m NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal On Dec 25, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: ? You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like " If you spin, they're towing you in" mike h On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c The MGB behind me was not so fortunate Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: ? Two feet in has its advantages https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: ? Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. Merry Christmas. Bill On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. Always go two feet in. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Dec 25 13:39:25 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 21:39:25 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: <3928918C-E694-49B3-AF69-4E80D2D76CE6@yahoo.com> <001e01d5bb5a$ff35bbe0$fda133a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002501d5bb63$6626e880$3274b980$@gmail.com> Thank you Jerry. I?m also happy that I could move the car out of the way not to disturb the race too much. Was great watching you all. Cheers Chris Von: Jerry Van Vlack Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Dezember 2019 21:07 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox. team. net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing I had a front row seat to that event. Great job Chris but a disappointment for us all when you went out. JVV From: Chris Marx via Fot Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 2:39 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing When I broke the front axle and blocked the left front wheel from that, I felt lucky that I made the car going round the corner to the front straight. Wouldn?t made me happy to touch any guard rails. Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von Nick Black via Fot Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Dezember 2019 19:50 An: Mike Harmuth > Cc: FoTTriumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing Back when the ?blue bush? was installed, many of us no longer raced there... originally the fence was literally at the edge of the track surface all the way around the track. It was like racin in a blue alley...drop a wheel and total your car as it pinballed across the track. Never raced there again Nick I?m NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal On Dec 25, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: ? You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like " If you spin, they're towing you in" mike h On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c The MGB behind me was not so fortunate Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot > wrote: ? Two feet in has its advantages https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot > wrote: ? Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. Merry Christmas. Bill On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. Always go two feet in. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com _____ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Dec 25 14:25:09 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 13:25:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <24613D88-5BD1-42E7-9B81-1795F758DAA9@icloud.com> References: <24613D88-5BD1-42E7-9B81-1795F758DAA9@icloud.com> Message-ID: <843895922.85916.1577309110216@connect.xfinity.com> This is my first and only spin so far. I was very lucky this time. I did not go two in. As the car starts to rotate, I look to my left and, oh shit, Walt was coming close to my door, so I stabbed the throttle to keep the car rotating out of the way. You can hear a woo hoo from me after coming to a stop. Dave H. https://youtu.be/hxKBDyA_cEU > On December 25, 2019 at 9:13 AM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. > > https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c > > The MGB behind me was not so fortunate > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Two feet in has its advantages > > > > https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. > > > > > > Merry Christmas. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. 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URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Dec 25 18:57:29 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 01:57:29 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Brake and Clutch to the floor. In-Reply-To: References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com>, <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: If you go to the 6:47 point in this video you can see John showing off the brake and clutch to the floor technique. ? https://youtu.be/uyZNmn-5SpA Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of John H. Hasty via Fot Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 2:18 PM To: David Gott Cc: FOT List ; Glenn Franco Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing Yep...brake & clutch to the floor... also can be wired to disengage ... ask Steve Yott... Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 1:50 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ? Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? Probably my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... I was thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised now that I bring up that question. Has anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? Dave G Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake wrote: If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. (Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! Thanks, Dave Gott 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I have tested overdrives like this for years. My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed. Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. Jack On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: Merry Christmas Quick Question A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor. I've seen this done by spinning the transmission INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive? 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URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Dec 25 22:38:51 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 23:38:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brake and Clutch to the floor. In-Reply-To: References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8c73d889-b88f-8fe9-225c-8dea0e448c70@tonydrews.com> Another two feet in video - skip to about 2:45.? This has nothing to do with the original Overdrive question, but shows how hard braking keeps the car from going in unpredictable directions... Took me a mental second to realize I wasn't going to catch this one, seems like much less than a second watching the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFQUYNxwIMI Cheers, Tony On 12/25/2019 7:57 PM, marty via Fot wrote: > If you go to the 6:47 point in this video you can see John showing off > the brake and clutch to the floor technique. ? > > https://youtu.be/uyZNmn-5SpA > > > Marty > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of John H. Hasty > via Fot > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 24, 2019 2:18 PM > *To:* David Gott > *Cc:* FOT List ; Glenn Franco > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing > Yep...brake & clutch to the floor... also can be wired to disengage > ... ask Steve Yott... > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 24, 2019, at 1:50 PM, David Gott via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what >> happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? ? Probably my >> biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... ? I was >> thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is >> ill advised now that I bring up that question. ? Has anyone ever spun >> and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? >> >> Dave G >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake >> wrote: >> >> If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the >> accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric >>> drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. >>> ?(Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used >>> 4th gear. ? I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at >>> 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. >>> >>> Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not >>> have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m >>> assuming this might be an issue? ?Or would a load coax the OD to >>> releasing as appropriate? >>> >>> Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Dave Gott >>> 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot >>> wrote: >>> >>> I have tested overdrives like this for years. My drive motor >>> only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output >>> shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be >>> spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed.? >>> Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in >>> the wrong direction. >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco >>> via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> Merry Christmas >>> Quick Question >>> A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by >>> back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a >>> pulley and electric motor. >>> I've seen this done by spinning the transmission?INPUT shaft >>> with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. >>> Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning >>> clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it >>> lock up the overdrive? >>> Thanks in advance >>> Glenn >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >> >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >> >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Dec 26 02:12:12 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 10:12:12 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Brake and Clutch to the floor. In-Reply-To: <8c73d889-b88f-8fe9-225c-8dea0e448c70@tonydrews.com> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> <8c73d889-b88f-8fe9-225c-8dea0e448c70@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <001801d5bbcc$8fb84b80$af28e280$@gmail.com> You did well Tony. I really don?t understand why people don?t lock their wheels when they spin. If the wheels are rolling on a spin the car is doing funny things and nobody can predict where the car will be in a second. With locked wheels the car is sliding in direction of inertia. See how the F1 drivers do it. They lock the wheels and wait for the car to STAND STILL before they release the brakes. Most of the worst accidents happen with spinning cars getting T-boned. The cause for this is no locked wheels until stand still. I don?t have good examples of myself as I spin rarely but maybe this one: Cold Tires. What I?m doing: I was at slow speed with no grip on the back end caused by very low temperatures (36F) at the morning. The back end stepped out and I slammed on the brakes. I saw the front heading for the tire wall. I found it too expensive to crash the front end so still full on the brakes I released the clutch and gave a sever dip on the throttle with the heal to turn the car against the direction I was coming. Brakes still on full lock until the car stood still. The situation was to a degree under control. Happily the car was parallel to the wall and didn?t touch by about 10? distance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRbIEeOSw4Y Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Tony Drews via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. Dezember 2019 06:39 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Brake and Clutch to the floor. Another two feet in video - skip to about 2:45. This has nothing to do with the original Overdrive question, but shows how hard braking keeps the car from going in unpredictable directions... Took me a mental second to realize I wasn't going to catch this one, seems like much less than a second watching the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFQUYNxwIMI Cheers, Tony On 12/25/2019 7:57 PM, marty via Fot wrote: If you go to the 6:47 point in this video you can see John showing off the brake and clutch to the floor technique. ? https://youtu.be/uyZNmn-5SpA Marty _____ From: Fot on behalf of John H. Hasty via Fot Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 2:18 PM To: David Gott Cc: FOT List ; Glenn Franco Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing Yep...brake & clutch to the floor... also can be wired to disengage ... ask Steve Yott... Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 1:50 PM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ? Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? Probably my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... I was thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised now that I bring up that question. Has anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? Dave G Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:47 PM, Greg Blake wrote: If this is for a race car, you might consider shiming the accumulator spring to get closer to 500psi. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:51 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote: ? I was able to test my overdrive by chucking a 1/2? electric drill on the input shaft and turning the whole transmission. (Make sure to spin the right direction!). Pretty sure I used 4th gear. I was able to determine that my OD pressure is at 350 psi, so I?ll have to shim the spring I guess. Secondary question; the OD seemed to stick on me, but I did not have a load on the output flange, due to being on the bench; I?m assuming this might be an issue? Or would a load coax the OD to releasing as appropriate? Hopefully I don?t hijack your thread too much! Thanks, Dave Gott 62 TR4 (?A? type on the bench) Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 11:25 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I have tested overdrives like this for years. My drive motor only spins in one direction, which makes sure the output shaft only spins in the same direction the shaft would be spinning when the car is driven in a forward speed. Therefore, I don't know what would happen if you spun it in the wrong direction. Jack On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:05:53 PM EST, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote: Merry Christmas Quick Question A friend of mine started testing his A-Type Overdrives by back spinning the output flange (to the prop shaft) with a pulley and electric motor. I've seen this done by spinning the transmission INPUT shaft with a pulley and electric motor but not from the rear. Any chance of damaging the overdrive since the overrunning clutch is only going to spin in the one direction, can it lock up the overdrive? Thanks in advance Glenn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dezember 2019 19:50 An: Greg Blake Cc: FOT List ; Glenn Franco Betreff: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing Speaking of spinning the OD backwards, which it won?t do, what happens if you spin the car while overdrive is engaged? Probably my biggest concern for running one of these in a race car... I was thinking I?d use it on track and maybe autocross, but I think that is ill advised now that I bring up that question. Has anyone ever spun and rolled backwards, with OD engaged? Dave G -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Thu Dec 26 05:56:26 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 06:56:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <102172160.3529099.1577301185896@mail.yahoo.com> References: <102172160.3529099.1577301185896.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <102172160.3529099.1577301185896@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Wasn't there fence ripping accident on the back straight at RA? I think that that was the Katherine Legge. Bob Kramer On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 1:13 PM Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Mike... > > Great point. Many years ago when I first started Vintage Racing, the > tracks were 'forgiving'. If you made a mistake, you spun off mowing the > lawn or creating a dust cloud. The only penalty was embarrassment. I'll > never forget then one first spring event I showed up for at Road America > and it was like I was in a street race, surrounded by Century Link Fencing. > > I was told that as far as Road America was concerned CART had demanded > it. CART was afraid one of their cars would leap the cement barriers/snow > fencing and crash into the crowd. > > No question that was a potential issue. The change was a good idea...but > drivers like me (prone to make errors) missed those 'forgiving' tracks. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Harmuth via Fot > To: Greg Blake > Cc: FoTTriumph > Sent: Wed, Dec 25, 2019 10:42 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing > > You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid > stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the > track, it's more like > " If you spin, they're towing you in" > > mike h > > On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > > One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. > > https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c > > The MGB behind me was not so fortunate > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot > wrote: > > ? > > Two feet in has its advantages > > https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot > wrote: > > ? > Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet > down. > Merry Christmas. > Bill > On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations > where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice > and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an > unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the > way. Always go two feet in. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Dec 26 06:32:24 2019 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 05:32:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <5b8e3c7e-6cd4-566f-7838-364172f78cb5@tonydrews.com> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> <5b8e3c7e-6cd4-566f-7838-364172f78cb5@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <8793FE736F82434496C0F4476F1F1348@RYPC> > I didn't spin but I did lock up one rear wheel with a Detroit > Locker diff. Large bang, it didn't like that. Detroit > Locker was OK, but the one way clutch / roller arrangement in > the OD broke into multiple pieces. What's funny is that it > still worked perfectly. Just a thought: Has anyone tried just leaving out the rollers in the sprag clutch? Might need stiffer direct drive springs, and skip the burnouts, but direct drive in 1st gear seems like the only time the sprag clutch is really needed; once you've built hydraulic pressure. -- Randall From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Thu Dec 26 10:04:48 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 18:04:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <8793FE736F82434496C0F4476F1F1348@RYPC> References: <1994212305.2074456.1577206290081@mail.yahoo.com> <1771602A-7C3F-467B-B854-CF1EBAE72B29@icloud.com> <1979045858.2094816.1577213393868@mail.yahoo.com> <5b8e3c7e-6cd4-566f-7838-364172f78cb5@tonydrews.com> <8793FE736F82434496C0F4476F1F1348@RYPC> Message-ID: <364169060.230607331.1577379888718.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> I think the unidirectional clutch (roller bearing) is there in the first place to keep the drive going while engaging the overdrive. Without this arrangement, the revs would go up every time the overdrive is engaged, while the cone clutch is moving (unless you keep your foot off the accelerator pedal when engaging the overdrive). PS : when the cone clutch has gone, the unidirectional clutch has to bear the whole driving force : it doesn't last long when this happens. Marcel ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Donderdag 26 december 2019 14:32:24 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] A-Type Overdrive Testing > I didn't spin but I did lock up one rear wheel with a Detroit > Locker diff. Large bang, it didn't like that. Detroit > Locker was OK, but the one way clutch / roller arrangement in > the OD broke into multiple pieces. What's funny is that it > still worked perfectly. Just a thought: Has anyone tried just leaving out the rollers in the sprag clutch? Might need stiffer direct drive springs, and skip the burnouts, but direct drive in 1st gear seems like the only time the sprag clutch is really needed; once you've built hydraulic pressure. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be From billdentin at aol.com Thu Dec 26 10:35:31 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 17:35:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: <102172160.3529099.1577301185896.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <102172160.3529099.1577301185896@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <164345110.3813696.1577381731269@mail.yahoo.com> Yes, and if I recall I sure didn't expect her to walk away from that one...but she did. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer To: Bill Dentinger Cc: Mike Harmuth ; Greg Blake ; Fot Sent: Thu, Dec 26, 2019 4:56 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing Wasn't there fence ripping accident on the back straight at RA? I think that that was the Katherine Legge. Bob Kramer On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 1:13 PM Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: Mike... Great point.? Many years ago when I first started Vintage Racing, the tracks were 'forgiving'.? If you made a mistake, you spun off mowing the lawn or creating a dust cloud.? The only penalty was embarrassment.? I'll never forget then one first spring event I showed up for at Road America and it was like I was in a street race, surrounded by Century Link Fencing. I was told that as far as Road America was concerned CART had demanded it.? CART was afraid one of their cars would leap the cement barriers/snow fencing and crash into the crowd. ? No question that was a potential issue.? The change was a good idea...but drivers like me (prone to make errors) missed those 'forgiving' tracks. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Mike Harmuth via Fot To: Greg Blake Cc: FoTTriumph Sent: Wed, Dec 25, 2019 10:42 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like" If you spin, they're towing you in" mike h On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in.? https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c The MGB behind me was not so fortunate? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: ? Two feet in has its advantages? https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: ? Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. Merry Christmas. Bill On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way.? Always go two feet in.? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertdalziel at comcast.net Thu Dec 26 10:47:35 2019 From: robertdalziel at comcast.net (Scottie Dalziel) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 12:47:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: <164345110.3813696.1577381731269@mail.yahoo.com> References: <164345110.3813696.1577381731269@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2770CB5C-1B66-4D77-B428-6F7E2EF5B120@comcast.net> Aye Legge had a big one there But a few decades earlier, long before that fencing was installed Teo Fabi And a huge off near there in the can Am qualifying . He left his machine up in the trees ? minus wheels . He climbed out of that one . I asked him about that . Years latter ,when working the Detroit G P. He thought a wee bit then a big grin came over his face and he offered in his soft Italian accent .? yea that was a big one ? It?s good when we can laugh at this stuff Awrabest Scottie Yep the kink had a big pucker factor > On Dec 26, 2019, at 12:35 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > ? > Yes, and if I recall I sure didn't expect her to walk away from that one...but she did. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer > To: Bill Dentinger > Cc: Mike Harmuth ; Greg Blake ; Fot > Sent: Thu, Dec 26, 2019 4:56 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing > > Wasn't there fence ripping accident on the back straight at RA? I think that that was the Katherine Legge. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 1:13 PM Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Mike... > > Great point. Many years ago when I first started Vintage Racing, the tracks were 'forgiving'. If you made a mistake, you spun off mowing the lawn or creating a dust cloud. The only penalty was embarrassment. I'll never forget then one first spring event I showed up for at Road America and it was like I was in a street race, surrounded by Century Link Fencing. > > I was told that as far as Road America was concerned CART had demanded it. CART was afraid one of their cars would leap the cement barriers/snow fencing and crash into the crowd. > > No question that was a potential issue. The change was a good idea...but drivers like me (prone to make errors) missed those 'forgiving' tracks. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Harmuth via Fot > To: Greg Blake > Cc: FoTTriumph > Sent: Wed, Dec 25, 2019 10:42 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing > > You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like > " If you spin, they're towing you in" > > mike h > >> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> One of my experiences watching what happens when you don?t go two in. >> >> https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c >> >> The MGB behind me was not so fortunate >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Two feet in has its advantages >> >> https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. >>> Merry Christmas. >>> Bill >>> On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>>> Whenever you start to spin it?s two feet in. I?ve been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. 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The overdrive appears to be engaged and it appears that the pressure will not drop. The pressure relief at the pump was removed and the accumulator was loosened to relieve the pressure. Now trans in neutral the output shaft of the overdrive appears to be locked up and will not spin. Any ideas?? Thanks in advance Glenn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Dec 26 18:33:20 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 19:33:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Daytona Class Winner. To be seen at Kastner Cup 2020 Message-ID: <98471378-9D71-476A-B699-C4B5DD7D8672@gmail.com> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 5:34 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alanb at alanberrydesign.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Dec 26 19:33:13 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 20:33:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Daytona Class Winner. To be seen at Kastner Cup 2020 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7E37BA9E-34EA-4F29-AB97-6D0095982036@gmail.com> It was run at Daytona with the top in place, I believe. Alan, are you registered yet? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Dec 26, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Alan Berry wrote: > > ? > How cool is a white TR4 racer with a white convertible top up? > >> On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 5:34 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alanb at alanberrydesign.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanb at alanberrydesign.com Thu Dec 26 20:44:17 2019 From: alanb at alanberrydesign.com (Alan Berry) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 19:44:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Daytona Class Winner. To be seen at Kastner Cup 2020 In-Reply-To: <7E37BA9E-34EA-4F29-AB97-6D0095982036@gmail.com> References: <7E37BA9E-34EA-4F29-AB97-6D0095982036@gmail.com> Message-ID: I haven't registered for the K Cup, Joe because I am fixing up Irv's old (RED) TR4 to sell. I have decided owning a race car is not for me. I have 10 thumbs when I try working on it myself, even with expert guidance from Kas himself. I will sell the car and trailer and rent an 1147 Spit from Joe Siam for most of the VARA races going forward. The TR is dialed in with brand new Webers and just 100% rewired. I am putting on a new head so it will be bulletproof now (well, actually no guarantees with a race car) so will be great in 2020. This was a nice car when I bought it 3 years ago with documented history and log books going back to 1972. I showed it's potential when it hung with Tony Drews in Buttonwillow last summer..... until the driver ran out of talent. With a decent driver it will finish very well at the 2020 Kastner Cup. If anyone is interested I will make an incredible deal on the car and an option on a nice enclosed trailer to any serious FoT member. Call or text me at 858 442-9098 and I will be happy to discuss or send photos, info on this exceptional car. Email is alanb at alanberrydesign.com. Wherever a buyer is located I will be happy to meet them halfway from my SoCal location gratis if they want the complete car/trailer spares combo to save shipping costs. Spares include two additional sets of wheels/tires with fresh rain tires with 4 laps on them. I will not sell this pretty car to anyone but a serious racer. Former owner Irv Korey will kick my ass if I sell it to a goofball. It's not about the money to me. I will make a great deal to the right driver. I hope to be a spectator at the history making 2020 Kastner Cup to see this car run up front! Sorry for the shameless plug Joe. See you in 2020. Alan #41 TR4A On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 6:33 PM Joe Alexander wrote: > It was run at Daytona with the top in place, I believe. > > Alan, are you registered yet? > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > On Dec 26, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Alan Berry wrote: > > ? > How cool is a white TR4 racer with a white convertible top up? > > On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 5:34 PM Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alanb at alanberrydesign.com >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com Thu Dec 26 21:49:55 2019 From: jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com (Jonathan Wright) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 20:49:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Daytona Class Winner. To be seen at Kastner Cup 2020 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alan, So you are Joes new rental customer! Here I was thinking I was gonna have a chance next season with my 1147 spitfire, but if you are stepping down into FP my odds don?t sound as good anymore lol. It?ll be fun to have some more competition in FP, hopefully I?ll learn some things from you! Cheers Jonathan Wright, #93 FP Spitfire Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 26, 2019, at 7:44 PM, Alan Berry via Fot wrote: > > ? > I haven't registered for the K Cup, Joe because I am fixing up Irv's old (RED) TR4 to sell. I have decided owning a race car is not for me. I have 10 thumbs when I try working on it myself, even with expert guidance from Kas himself. I will sell the car and trailer and rent an 1147 Spit from Joe Siam for most of the VARA races going forward. The TR is dialed in with brand new Webers and just 100% rewired. I am putting on a new head so it will be bulletproof now (well, actually no guarantees with a race car) so will be great in 2020. > > This was a nice car when I bought it 3 years ago with documented history and log books going back to 1972. I showed it's potential when it hung with Tony Drews in Buttonwillow last summer..... until the driver ran out of talent. > > With a decent driver it will finish very well at the 2020 Kastner Cup. If anyone is interested I will make an incredible deal on the car and an option on a nice enclosed trailer to any serious FoT member. Call or text me at 858 442-9098 and I will be happy to discuss or send photos, info on this exceptional car. Email is alanb at alanberrydesign.com. > > Wherever a buyer is located I will be happy to meet them halfway from my SoCal location gratis if they want the complete car/trailer spares combo to save shipping costs. Spares include two additional sets of wheels/tires with fresh rain tires with 4 laps on them. > > I will not sell this pretty car to anyone but a serious racer. Former owner Irv Korey will kick my ass if I sell it to a goofball. It's not about the money to me. I will make a great deal to the right driver. > > I hope to be a spectator at the history making 2020 Kastner Cup to see this car run up front! > > Sorry for the shameless plug Joe. See you in 2020. > > Alan #41 TR4A > >> On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 6:33 PM Joe Alexander wrote: >> It was run at Daytona with the top in place, I believe. >> >> Alan, are you registered yet? >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> >>>> On Dec 26, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Alan Berry wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> How cool is a white TR4 racer with a white convertible top up? >>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 5:34 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Joe Alexander >>>> 4505 Donald Dr >>>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >>>> The-vintage-racer.com >>>> Gasketinnovations.com >>>> Cell: 319.464.4711 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alanb at alanberrydesign.com >>>> >>>> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 6t9gt6 at toast.net Fri Dec 27 12:21:59 2019 From: 6t9gt6 at toast.net (Stephen Jones) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2019 14:21:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing In-Reply-To: References: <3928918C-E694-49B3-AF69-4E80D2D76CE6@yahoo.com> <001e01d5bb5a$ff35bbe0$fda133a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6053f1d02d09474398f30bb4fdbed910@toast.net> Great reactions and save! That could have ended in major tears. ---------------------------------------- From: "Jerry Van Vlack via Fot" Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 11:57 PM To: tr4racing at googlemail.com, "fot at autox. team. net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing I had a front row seat to that event. Great job Chris but a disappointment for us all when you went out. JVV From: Chris Marx via Fot Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 2:39 PM To: fot at autox. team. net Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing When I broke the front axle and blocked the left front wheel from that, I felt lucky that I made the car going round the corner to the front straight. Wouldn't made me happy to touch any guard rails. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Nick Black via Fot Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Dezember 2019 19:50 An: Mike Harmuth Cc: FoTTriumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing Back when the "blue bush" was installed, many of us no longer raced there... originally the fence was literally at the edge of the track surface all the way around the track. It was like racin in a blue alley...drop a wheel and total your car as it pinballed across the track. Never raced there again Nick I'm NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal On Dec 25, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: ? You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track, it's more like " If you spin, they're towing you in" mike h On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: One of my experiences watching what happens when you don't go two in. https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c The MGB behind me was not so fortunate Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: ? Two feet in has its advantages https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: ? Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet down. Merry Christmas. Bill On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: Whenever you start to spin it's two feet in. I've been in a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not following this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers along the way. 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Dave H. > On December 29, 2019 at 2:49 PM Joe Alexander via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Dec 29 17:09:56 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 16:09:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Vintage Motorsport In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <934434630.119210.1577664596479@connect.xfinity.com> Yes. The Watkins Glen Triumph group received the coveted "Pick or the Litter" section in the event article. Very cool. Tom Turner's Spit is front and center in the group photo. He towed all the way from Danville, CA. Burt Levy wrote the article. Dave H. > On December 29, 2019 at 8:40 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > > Recently got the Jan/Feb 2020 issue of Vintage Motorsport. Finally > cracked it open for a quick thumb through.? Wow, those of you who read > it, check out the bottom of page 88. > > Way to go Henry! > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Dec 30 05:36:52 2019 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 12:36:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <5539C218-A22F-4EBC-8530-1C6ED816FCE6@gmail.com> References: <5539C218-A22F-4EBC-8530-1C6ED816FCE6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1268668806.3125178.1577709412142@mail.yahoo.com> Something in the photo just doesn't seem right, it's out of proportion, or maybe it's just my eyes...Glen -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot Sent: Sun, Dec 29, 2019 5:52 pm Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Dec 30 06:52:33 2019 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 13:52:33 +0000 Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <1268668806.3125178.1577709412142@mail.yahoo.com> References: <5539C218-A22F-4EBC-8530-1C6ED816FCE6@gmail.com>, <1268668806.3125178.1577709412142@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good eye Glen, it looks like a TR3 body on a TR4A/IRS chassis with fenders widened to cover the increased track of the newer chassis. Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: fubog1 via Fot Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 7:37 AM To: joealexandervintage at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup Something in the photo just doesn't seem right, it's out of proportion, or maybe it's just my eyes... Glen -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot Sent: Sun, Dec 29, 2019 5:52 pm Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Dec 30 07:44:16 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 15:44:16 +0100 Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: <5539C218-A22F-4EBC-8530-1C6ED816FCE6@gmail.com>, <1268668806.3125178.1577709412142@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001401d5bf1f$9c8b6490$d5a22db0$@gmail.com> TR3B Widebody version on TR4 frame. Some Americans rejected the TR4 and the factory planted about 2000 bodys on the TR4 frame. Unfortunately this car was never homologated - would have been a great historic racer. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Terry Stetler via Fot Gesendet: Montag, 30. Dezember 2019 14:53 An: fubog1 ; joealexandervintage at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup Good eye Glen, it looks like a TR3 body on a TR4A/IRS chassis with fenders widened to cover the increased track of the newer chassis. Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: fubog1 via Fot Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 7:37 AM To: joealexandervintage at gmail.com ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup Something in the photo just doesn't seem right, it's out of proportion, or maybe it's just my eyes... Glen -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Sun, Dec 29, 2019 5:52 pm Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Mon Dec 30 07:55:54 2019 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 09:55:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] $415 US for a great race weekend Message-ID: <001801d5bf21$3ccd9670$b668c350$@rr.com> The VARAC event at Mosport, CA has a discount (save $100) program for early registrations ENDING at Midnight Tomorrow. The event is June 18 to 21, 2020. The discount drops the price to $415 US given the exchange rate. Great way to get practiced up for the following weekend or if you're making the trip for K-Cup, it's just a bit further and you can capture two events in June. Camping is free and there's lots of paddock space; more seat time than you can imagine and another shot at defeating the MGs in the TRIUMPH/MG Challenge Race which provides even more seat time. Unlike some other organizations your car will be inspected for tech/safety according to your home club rules and regulations. Border crossings are simple and fast. The social events tied to this event are over the top featuring live bands on two nights; a banquet and traveling feast through the paddock on another night with copious beverages. A practice day is also available and an orientation is offered if it's your first time. This is the track Bob Tullius called his favorite. Don't miss this opportunity for a very cost effective event and see why so many of us return every year. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Dec 30 08:43:38 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 07:43:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: <001401d5bf1f$9c8b6490$d5a22db0$@gmail.com> References: <5539C218-A22F-4EBC-8530-1C6ED816FCE6@gmail.com>, <1268668806.3125178.1577709412142@mail.yahoo.com> <001401d5bf1f$9c8b6490$d5a22db0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1515506030.123231.1577720618970@connect.xfinity.com> This car is a TR3 Beta. 3 to 5 of them were made as prototypes in 1959. Well before the TR4A IRS. My memory was just refreshed of these cars from reading Bill Piggott's Triumph TR book. Wide bodies were made to fit the developing TR4 frame, which was still a solid axle but it had ring and pinion steering. The leading edge of the doors were wider for a smooth transition to the wider fender. The TR4 body design had not yet been completed, but the TRS was being developed has it's prototype. The TR3B is a TR3A with a TR4 engine and trans that got the TCF prefix in the VIN instead of the TR2-3s TS prefix. Dave H. > On December 30, 2019 at 6:44 AM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > > TR3B > > Widebody version on TR4 frame. > > Some Americans rejected the TR4 and the factory planted about 2000 bodys on the TR4 frame. > > Unfortunately this car was never homologated ? would have been a great historic racer. > > > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Terry Stetler via Fot > Gesendet: Montag, 30. Dezember 2019 14:53 > An: fubog1 ; joealexandervintage at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup > > > > Good eye Glen, it looks like a TR3 body on a TR4A/IRS chassis with fenders widened to cover the increased track of the newer chassis. > > > > Terry Stetler > > > > Sent from Mail https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 for Windows 10 > > > > From: fubog1 via Fot mailto:fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 7:37 AM > To: joealexandervintage at gmail.com mailto:joealexandervintage at gmail.com ; fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup > > > > Something in the photo just doesn't seem right, it's out of proportion, or maybe it's just my eyes... > > Glen > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Sun, Dec 29, 2019 5:52 pm > Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup > > > > > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe1191dca30b4527937308d78d2507d0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637133062501511461&sdata=COUNMKMPMprUki%2BdQPafC0rDpACiHo2Z%2BwsNIaAUByE%3D&reserved=0 > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fdonate.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe1191dca30b4527937308d78d2507d0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637133062501521466&sdata=I6jR9ik3tv8zLTJyYGuGg0m92aEJXbBLjZCdK6sa0sw%3D&reserved=0 > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Farchive&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe1191dca30b4527937308d78d2507d0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637133062501531475&sdata=OOBYbW7vEu0wA2FRNaLKqBLwFZsi6ep4ZfXLqmMLLbg%3D&reserved=0 http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fpipermail%2Ffot&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe1191dca30b4527937308d78d2507d0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637133062501531475&sdata=%2B0imON2PuoSjsgTmmNt5yMmjI4IJfp%2BgfsZ7O%2BawpRA%3D&reserved=0 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Ffubog1%40aol.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe1191dca30b4527937308d78d2507d0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637133062501531475&sdata=egezk%2BLlAmyUXAZa2rHp8SS8qOgq57I%2BtPrnhHFNInI%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Dec 30 08:56:28 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 08:56:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? Message-ID: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> This TR3 Beta got me thinking.? The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 frame.? The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.? The TR6 used basically the same frame.? Are there solid axle TR6s out there? mjb. From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Dec 30 09:05:24 2019 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 08:05:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> References: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <488432948.123535.1577721924756@connect.xfinity.com> The TR4 frame was solid axle only. Exactly like the TR3 frame but with added sections to the front rails to widen the track. The TR4A frame could fit either solid or independent axles. The TR6 frame is very different and not design for the solid axle. Dave H. > On December 30, 2019 at 7:56 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > > This TR3 Beta got me thinking.? The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 > frame.? The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either > the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.? The TR6 used basically the same > frame.? Are there solid axle TR6s out there? > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From johnstydo at gmail.com Mon Dec 30 10:27:37 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 12:27:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> References: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 > frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either > the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same > frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20191202_120231.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4487931 bytes Desc: not available URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Mon Dec 30 10:29:59 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 12:29:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] $415 US for a great race weekend In-Reply-To: <001801d5bf21$3ccd9670$b668c350$@rr.com> References: <001801d5bf21$3ccd9670$b668c350$@rr.com> Message-ID: Mosport is a great track and VARAC is a great club to race with. The price is right, too. Triumph ghetto anyone? On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 9:56 AM Spitfire Racing via Fot wrote: > The VARAC event at Mosport, CA has a discount (save $100) program for > early registrations *ENDING at Midnight Tomorrow*. The event is June 18 > to 21, 2020. > > The discount drops the price to $415 US given the exchange rate. > > > > Great way to get practiced up for the following weekend or if you?re > making the trip for K-Cup, it?s just a bit further and you can capture two > events in June. > > > > Camping is free and there?s lots of paddock space; more seat time than you > can imagine and another shot at defeating the MGs in the TRIUMPH/MG > Challenge Race which provides even more seat time. > > > > Unlike some other organizations your car will be inspected for tech/safety > according to your home club rules and regulations. Border crossings are > simple and fast. > > > > The social events tied to this event are over the top featuring live bands > on two nights; a banquet and traveling feast through the paddock on another > night with copious beverages. > > A practice day is also available and an orientation is offered if it?s > your first time. > > > > This is the track Bob Tullius called his favorite. Don?t miss this > opportunity for a very cost effective event and see why so many of us > return every year. > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bfcc at hotmail.co.uk Mon Dec 30 11:25:37 2019 From: bfcc at hotmail.co.uk (John) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 18:25:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The TR3 BETA chassis actually came first and the later TR4 body was put on it. Frank Marsden engineered the suspension and steering for the TR3 BETA as part of Ray Bates's team tasked with looking into ways to improve the TR. Rack and pinion steering was something Frank considered important along with the suspension upgrades, hence the wider wings to cover it all. It was considered so successful that the upscaled Zest TR4 body was simply put on the entire TR3 BETA platform. And you won't have read that in any book before. Fortunately, I have it all on camera and included it in the minor revision I made to 'Traditional Triumph TR: From the TR2 to the TR6' that I issued a few years ago. 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Triumph ghetto anyone? > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 9:56 AM Spitfire Racing via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> The VARAC event at Mosport, CA has a discount (save $100) program for >> early registrations *ENDING at Midnight Tomorrow*. The event is June 18 >> to 21, 2020. >> >> The discount drops the price to $415 US given the exchange rate. >> >> >> >> Great way to get practiced up for the following weekend or if you?re >> making the trip for K-Cup, it?s just a bit further and you can capture two >> events in June. >> >> >> >> Camping is free and there?s lots of paddock space; more seat time than >> you can imagine and another shot at defeating the MGs in the TRIUMPH/MG >> Challenge Race which provides even more seat time. >> >> >> >> Unlike some other organizations your car will be inspected for >> tech/safety according to your home club rules and regulations. Border >> crossings are simple and fast. >> >> >> >> The social events tied to this event are over the top featuring live >> bands on two nights; a banquet and traveling feast through the paddock on >> another night with copious beverages. >> >> A practice day is also available and an orientation is offered if it?s >> your first time. >> >> >> >> This is the track Bob Tullius called his favorite. Don?t miss this >> opportunity for a very cost effective event and see why so many of us >> return every year. >> >> >> >> Russ Moore >> >> Spitfire #49 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano at yahoo.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: WG16-2964.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5531823 bytes Desc: not available URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Mon Dec 30 14:47:15 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 16:47:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] To be seen at the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There must have been modification of the BETA chassis to accomodate the TR4s wider floor pans and engine bay. I've saw a very early TR4 frame that had extension plates bolted to the top of the outriggers to fit the wider body mounts. The diagonal braces for the front spring perches also had to be moved outward to fit the TR4 front inner fender mounts. I don't think the BETA had wider floor pans that the stock TR3. On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 1:27 PM John via Fot wrote: > The TR3 BETA chassis actually came first and the later TR4 body was put on > it. Frank Marsden engineered the suspension and steering for the TR3 BETA > as part of Ray Bates's team tasked with looking into ways to improve the > TR. Rack and pinion steering was something Frank considered important > along with the suspension upgrades, hence the wider wings to cover it all. > It was considered so successful that the upscaled Zest TR4 body was simply > put on the entire TR3 BETA platform. > > And you won't have read that in any book before. Fortunately, I have it > all on camera and included it in the minor revision I made to 'Traditional > Triumph TR: From the TR2 to the TR6' that I issued a few years ago. If you > have the version that includes Frank Marsden and Ray Bates then you already > have the full story. > > John C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at gmail.com Mon Dec 30 15:35:43 2019 From: bownes at gmail.com (Bob Bownes) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 17:35:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blanking plates for TR6 manifold Message-ID: <6A313D48-FD74-45C4-A205-CACCC5A97015@gmail.com> For those that have not heard, I?ve started the rebuild on my TR6 to get it back on the road/track. As a first step, I?m transplanting a stock engine back in on order to get it driveable while I do the ?good? engine. As it is somewhat chilly, storing the motor in the garage leaves a certain vulnerability some of you may have experienced. In order to keep the mice and chipmunks that I sometimes share the garage with from stashing their winter meals in the intake and exhaust ports, I had some solid blanking plates made up. Anyone who needs the plates for the TR6, or would like to have some made up for a different engine, let me know, and I?ll put you in touch with the guy who made them up for me and has the pattern and plasma CNC. Bob From fmccjr at aol.com Mon Dec 30 16:41:32 2019 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 18:41:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: References: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Now, THAT makes me very envious... Nice clubhouse! R McCurdy Newburgh, NY > On Dec 30, 2019, at 12:27 PM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. > >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: >> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either >> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >> >> mjb. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmccjr at aol.com Mon Dec 30 16:41:32 2019 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 18:41:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: References: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Now, THAT makes me very envious... Nice clubhouse! R McCurdy Newburgh, NY > On Dec 30, 2019, at 12:27 PM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. > >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: >> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either >> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >> >> mjb. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 06:46:38 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 07:46:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: References: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Is that a 50 x 30? I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. Bob Kramer On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member > that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide > track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new > headquarters. > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either >> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >> >> mjb. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_4249.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2262173 bytes Desc: not available URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Dec 31 07:51:55 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 09:51:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: References: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <731e9052-2407-b5cb-4be5-4952ff5b573f@verizon.net> Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! Ask me how I learned all this stuff! Happy New Year everyone. Cheers Bill On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > Is that a 50 x 30? > > I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it > outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work > benches?and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still > can't decide where to put a lift. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot > > wrote: > > I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club > member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to > build a wide track for my TR3.? This will be my next project after > outfitting my new headquarters. > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot > > wrote: > > This TR3 Beta got me thinking.? The TR4 was based on a > modified TR3 > frame.? The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable > to either > the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.? The TR6 used basically > the same > frame.? Are there solid axle TR6s out there? > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Tue Dec 31 08:09:00 2019 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 10:09:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <731e9052-2407-b5cb-4be5-4952ff5b573f@verizon.net> References: <731e9052-2407-b5cb-4be5-4952ff5b573f@verizon.net> Message-ID: <373941E4-C650-49C9-8F31-90D979F5611F@seiri.com> And wall storage off from workspace which can be heated or cooled as necessary...The heavy vinyl curtains work well but can cost more than real walls! And a ventilated welding area. I?m thinking about having a slab poured behind my garage and erecting some open storage space back there as well as a small enclosed area to hold the furnace, compressor, and a heated cabinet for things that should not freeze. Bob > On Dec 31, 2019, at 09:52, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > ? > Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. > > While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! > > Ask me how I learned all this stuff! > > Happy New Year everyone. > > Cheers Bill > > On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >> Is that a 50 x 30? >> >> I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. >> >> Bob Kramer >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: >>> I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: >>>> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >>>> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either >>>> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >>>> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >>>> >>>> mjb. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <2a82d7d4-4532-4122-b42c-b59a42087006@Spark> Bob, I had the same issue ? a permanently mounted lift was going to be in the way a lot of the time. ?I ended up with a 6000-lb. capacity single-post lift that can be moved around. ?I drive in, put the lift arms in place, pump the jack (it has a long handle like a pallet jack on one end) to raise the base of the lift off the ground and then move the car wherever I need it. ?Like this one, only the cost was a lot lower at about $2700 delivered:?https://www.gregsmithequipment.com/Atlas-6000-lb-Portable-Single-Post-Lift Duncan On Dec 31, 2019, 8:10 AM -0600, Bob Kramer via Fot , wrote: > Is that a 50 x 30? > > I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches?and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. > > Bob Kramer > > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > > I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3.? This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > > > > This TR3 Beta got me thinking.? The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 > > > > > frame.? The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either > > > > > the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.? The TR6 used basically the same > > > > > frame.? Are there solid axle TR6s out there? > > > > > > > > > > mjb. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Tue Dec 31 08:10:32 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 15:10:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? References: <1382700210.5254142.1577805032873.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1382700210.5254142.1577805032873@mail.yahoo.com> Bill...Good notes. ?I wish someone?would have suggested I run air and power lines to the lift. ?I did not, and it was a?tripping issue. I loved my lift, which if I recall had 9,000 lbs capacity, but had very low pickup arms for getting under sports cars. Lazy bastard that I am, I would put the cars on the lift to wax them. ?TSK, Tsk, tsk. HAPPY NEW YEAR! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, December 31, 2019,?Bill Tobin via Fot??wrote: Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! Ask me how I learned all this stuff! Happy New Year everyone. Cheers Bill On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Is that a 50 x 30?? I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches?and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. Bob Kramer On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3.? This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters.? On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: This TR3 Beta got me thinking.? The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 frame.? The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.? The TR6 used basically the same frame.? Are there solid axle TR6s out there? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Tue Dec 31 08:19:59 2019 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 10:19:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <1382700210.5254142.1577805032873@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1382700210.5254142.1577805032873@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <22B0E8FD-0E05-4140-AF4E-B71DB4D2A765@seiri.com> I didn?t build my garage so I was very pleased to find the foundation to be >12? thick when I drilled the anchor holes for the lift, which is in the middle rear of 3 bays allowing access from the sides. Open trusses have made retrofitting air lines, better lighting, and power drops a snap. I really could use another 15? in one dimension, running water, and more power though. But then my wife would probably make me live out there. ;) > On Dec 31, 2019, at 10:10, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > ?Bill... > Good notes. I wish someone would have suggested I run air and power lines to the lift. I did not, and it was a tripping issue. > > I loved my lift, which if I recall had 9,000 lbs capacity, but had very low pickup arms for getting under sports cars. > > Lazy bastard that I am, I would put the cars on the lift to wax them. TSK, Tsk, tsk. > > HAPPY NEW YEAR! > > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. > > While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! > > Ask me how I learned all this stuff! > > Happy New Year everyone. > > Cheers Bill > > On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > Is that a 50 x 30? > > I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 > frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either > the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same > frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Tue Dec 31 09:34:10 2019 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 10:34:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <1382700210.5254142.1577805032873@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1382700210.5254142.1577805032873@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FDD6953-D117-4C53-AB3A-C8FD14713B43@icloud.com> Love reading all of this but I have to ask how you ever made time to WAX the cars. I always seem to be chasing a last minute transmission rebuild or axle swap the night before I load. I am that guy washing the race car on Friday night at the track. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 31, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > ?Bill... > Good notes. I wish someone would have suggested I run air and power lines to the lift. I did not, and it was a tripping issue. > > I loved my lift, which if I recall had 9,000 lbs capacity, but had very low pickup arms for getting under sports cars. > > Lazy bastard that I am, I would put the cars on the lift to wax them. TSK, Tsk, tsk. > > HAPPY NEW YEAR! > > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. > > While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! > > Ask me how I learned all this stuff! > > Happy New Year everyone. > > Cheers Bill > > On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > Is that a 50 x 30? > > I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 > frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either > the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same > frame. 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I loved my lift, which if I recall had 9,000 lbs capacity, but had very low pickup arms for getting under sports cars. Lazy bastard that I am, I would put the cars on the lift to wax them. ?TSK, Tsk, tsk. HAPPY NEW YEAR! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, December 31, 2019,?Bill Tobin via Fot??wrote: Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! Ask me how I learned all this stuff! Happy New Year everyone. Cheers Bill On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Is that a 50 x 30?? I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches?and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. Bob Kramer On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3.? This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters.? On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: This TR3 Beta got me thinking.? The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 frame.? The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.? The TR6 used basically the same frame.? Are there solid axle TR6s out there? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mleccese1 at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Tue Dec 31 09:50:56 2019 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 11:50:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <800920835.5280871.1577810306163@mail.yahoo.com> References: <800920835.5280871.1577810306163@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Wait, you _wash_ the car? Isn?t all that dirt and rubber a badge of honour? ;) > On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:38, mleccese1--- via Fot wrote: > > ? > I'm with ya, last race I only had time to chance an oil leak... > > > > On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > Love reading all of this but I have to ask how you ever made time to WAX the cars. I always seem to be chasing a last minute transmission rebuild or axle swap the night before I load. I am that guy washing the race car on Friday night at the track. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Dec 31, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >>> >> ?Bill... >> Good notes. I wish someone would have suggested I run air and power lines to the lift. I did not, and it was a tripping issue. >> >> I loved my lift, which if I recall had 9,000 lbs capacity, but had very low pickup arms for getting under sports cars. >> >> Lazy bastard that I am, I would put the cars on the lift to wax them. TSK, Tsk, tsk. >> >> HAPPY NEW YEAR! >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >> >> On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >> >> Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. >> >> While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! >> >> Ask me how I learned all this stuff! >> >> Happy New Year everyone. >> >> Cheers Bill >> >> On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >> >> Is that a 50 x 30? >> >> I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. >> >> Bob Kramer >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: >> I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. >> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: >> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either >> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >> >> mjb. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mleccese1 at verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 09:54:25 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 10:54:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <731e9052-2407-b5cb-4be5-4952ff5b573f@verizon.net> References: <4bc59f5f-e21f-17ae-7780-966fc72fb5d8@bradakis.com> <731e9052-2407-b5cb-4be5-4952ff5b573f@verizon.net> Message-ID: Those are great ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing system and I have an overhead run 20' in. Dropping a line down and mounting it on both posts of the lifts would be a simple upgrade.. I did think ahead and wired in an extra 30 amp circuit up top. I was planning on using a retractable electric hose reel but dropping an outlet to the posts might be a better plan. Bob Kramer On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. > Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses > and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe > on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting > especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe > have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe > surface grinder. > > While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! > > Ask me how I learned all this stuff! > > Happy New Year everyone. > > Cheers Bill > On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > Is that a 50 x 30? > > I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it > outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work > benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't > decide where to put a lift. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot > wrote: > >> I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member >> that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide >> track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new >> headquarters. >> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >>> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >>> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either >>> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >>> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >>> >>> mjb. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage : >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Tue Dec 31 10:01:57 2019 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 12:01:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0292F65B-6DF9-4376-9C53-FD15CBD69750@seiri.com> It?s overkill, but I have an electrical reel and air hose reel over each bay. It comes in terribly handy. Don?t know about the planned lift, but mine is 220VAC, so don?t forget you may need that. On that note, I?ve been accumulating Real Machine Tools of late that all need 220 3phase. So 220 drops are going in around the shop for those and the welder. I find it easier to move the welder to the work than the work to the welder sometimes. > On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:54, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > ? > Those are great ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing system and I have an overhead run 20' in. Dropping a line down and mounting it on both posts of the lifts would be a simple upgrade.. I did think ahead and wired in an extra 30 amp circuit up top. I was planning on using a retractable electric hose reel but dropping an outlet to the posts might be a better plan. > > Bob Kramer > > >> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: >> Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. >> >> While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! >> >> Ask me how I learned all this stuff! >> >> Happy New Year everyone. >> >> Cheers Bill >> >> On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >>> Is that a 50 x 30? >>> >>> I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. >>> >>> Bob Kramer >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: >>>> I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: >>>>> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >>>>> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either >>>>> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >>>>> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >>>>> >>>>> mjb. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 10:36:25 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 11:36:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <0292F65B-6DF9-4376-9C53-FD15CBD69750@seiri.com> References: <0292F65B-6DF9-4376-9C53-FD15CBD69750@seiri.com> Message-ID: Got all the power stuff covered. With 40 foot depth I choose to run most everything down the middle at 20'. The welder and compressor 220V are on the opposite wall from the breaker box.. I have another tip that I can pass on from Robert MacKenzie, I plan on a free floor lift and getting the arms under teh car is always a pain. Robert puts his car on a set of dollies first. makes the arm swing a breeze. Bob Kramer On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:01 AM Bob Bownes -Seiri wrote: > > It?s overkill, but I have an electrical reel and air hose reel over each > bay. It comes in terribly handy. > > Don?t know about the planned lift, but mine is 220VAC, so don?t forget you > may need that. > > On that note, I?ve been accumulating Real Machine Tools of late that all > need 220 3phase. So 220 drops are going in around the shop for those and > the welder. I find it easier to move the welder to the work than the work > to the welder sometimes. > > On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:54, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > ? > Those are great ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing system and I have an > overhead run 20' in. Dropping a line down and mounting it on both posts of > the lifts would be a simple upgrade.. I did think ahead and wired in an > extra 30 amp circuit up top. I was planning on using a retractable electric > hose reel but dropping an outlet to the posts might be a better plan. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bill Tobin via Fot > wrote: > >> Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. >> Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses >> and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe >> on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting >> especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe >> have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe >> surface grinder. >> >> While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! >> >> Ask me how I learned all this stuff! >> >> Happy New Year everyone. >> >> Cheers Bill >> On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >> >> Is that a 50 x 30? >> >> I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it >> outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work >> benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't >> decide where to put a lift. >> >> Bob Kramer >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >>> I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member >>> that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide >>> track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new >>> headquarters. >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot < >>> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >>> >>>> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >>>> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to >>>> either >>>> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >>>> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >>>> >>>> mjb. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage >>>> : >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage : >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 11:13:16 2019 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 12:13:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: References: <0292F65B-6DF9-4376-9C53-FD15CBD69750@seiri.com> Message-ID: <16eee885-f004-40ad-86a0-3b3473114751@Spark> Bob, I usually drive my race cars up onto wood ramps to allow the arms to swing under. ?They?re made of doubled 2X8s with staggered 45? angles at one end (so I can drive up the first 1-1/2? and have the tire completely on the board already before going up the second 1-1/2? rise) and scraps of inner tube stapled to the bottom to keep them from sliding on the floor as I drive on. Duncan On Dec 31, 2019, 11:36 AM -0600, Bob Kramer via Fot , wrote: > Got all the power stuff covered. With 40 foot depth I choose?to run most everything down the middle at 20'.? The welder?and compressor 220V are on the opposite?wall from the breaker box..? I have another tip that I can pass on from Robert MacKenzie,? I plan on a free floor lift and getting the arms under teh car is always a pain.? Robert puts his car on a set of dollies first. makes the arm swing a breeze. > Bob Kramer > > > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:01 AM Bob Bownes -Seiri wrote: > > > > > > It?s overkill, but I have an electrical reel and air hose reel over each bay. It comes in terribly handy. > > > > > > Don?t know about the planned lift, but mine is 220VAC, so don?t forget you may need that. > > > > > > On that note, I?ve been accumulating Real ?Machine Tools of late that all need 220 3phase. So 220 drops are going in around the shop for those and the welder. I find it easier to move the welder to the work than the work to the welder sometimes. > > > > > > > On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:54, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > Those are great ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing system and I have an overhead run 20' in.? Dropping a line down and mounting it on both posts of the lifts would be a simple upgrade.. I did think ahead and wired in an extra 30 amp circuit up top. I was planning on using a retractable electric hose reel but dropping an outlet to the posts might be a better plan. > > > > > > > > Bob Kramer > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: > > > > > > Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. > > > > > > While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! > > > > > > Ask me how I learned all this stuff! > > > > > > Happy New Year everyone. > > > > > > Cheers Bill > > > > > > On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > Is that a 50 x 30? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches?and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob Kramer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3.? This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > This TR3 Beta got me thinking.? The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 > > > > > > > > > > > frame.? The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either > > > > > > > > > > > the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.? The TR6 used basically the same > > > > > > > > > > > frame.? Are there solid axle TR6s out there? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mjb. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > > > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 11:30:00 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 12:30:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: <16eee885-f004-40ad-86a0-3b3473114751@Spark> References: <0292F65B-6DF9-4376-9C53-FD15CBD69750@seiri.com> <16eee885-f004-40ad-86a0-3b3473114751@Spark> Message-ID: I did that for years and I am looking for a better way! Bob Kramer On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:13 PM Duncan Charlton < duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com> wrote: > Bob, I usually drive my race cars up onto wood ramps to allow the arms to > swing under. They?re made of doubled 2X8s with staggered 45? angles at one > end (so I can drive up the first 1-1/2? and have the tire completely on the > board already before going up the second 1-1/2? rise) and scraps of inner > tube stapled to the bottom to keep them from sliding on the floor as I > drive on. > > Duncan > On Dec 31, 2019, 11:36 AM -0600, Bob Kramer via Fot , > wrote: > > Got all the power stuff covered. With 40 foot depth I choose to run most > everything down the middle at 20'. The welder and compressor 220V are on > the opposite wall from the breaker box.. I have another tip that I can > pass on from Robert MacKenzie, I plan on a free floor lift and getting the > arms under teh car is always a pain. Robert puts his car on a set of > dollies first. makes the arm swing a breeze. > Bob Kramer > > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:01 AM Bob Bownes -Seiri > wrote: > >> >> It?s overkill, but I have an electrical reel and air hose reel over each >> bay. It comes in terribly handy. >> >> Don?t know about the planned lift, but mine is 220VAC, so don?t forget >> you may need that. >> >> On that note, I?ve been accumulating Real Machine Tools of late that all >> need 220 3phase. So 220 drops are going in around the shop for those and >> the welder. I find it easier to move the welder to the work than the work >> to the welder sometimes. >> >> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:54, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> Those are great ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing system and I have an >> overhead run 20' in. Dropping a line down and mounting it on both posts of >> the lifts would be a simple upgrade.. I did think ahead and wired in an >> extra 30 amp circuit up top. I was planning on using a retractable electric >> hose reel but dropping an outlet to the posts might be a better plan. >> >> Bob Kramer >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bill Tobin via Fot >> wrote: >> >>> Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the >>> shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing >>> hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; >>> maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting >>> especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe >>> have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe >>> surface grinder. >>> >>> While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! >>> >>> Ask me how I learned all this stuff! >>> >>> Happy New Year everyone. >>> >>> Cheers Bill >>> On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Is that a 50 x 30? >>> >>> I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it >>> outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work >>> benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't >>> decide where to put a lift. >>> >>> Bob Kramer >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot < >>> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member >>>> that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide >>>> track for my TR3. This will be my next project after outfitting my new >>>> headquarters. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot < >>>> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> This TR3 Beta got me thinking. The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 >>>>> frame. The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to >>>>> either >>>>> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension. The TR6 used basically the same >>>>> frame. Are there solid axle TR6s out there? >>>>> >>>>> mjb. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage >>>>> : >>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage >>>> : >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage : >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 31 12:14:19 2019 From: putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com (Rich Hahn) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 19:14:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Solid Six? In-Reply-To: References: <0292F65B-6DF9-4376-9C53-FD15CBD69750@seiri.com> Message-ID: <1030497240.3477457.1577819659362@mail.yahoo.com> Ditto for issues getting the lift swing arms under a low car.? I usually run mine up on some square patio stones which takes a lot less time than getting it on the 4 dollies first.? Its worked on some pretty low competition cars. On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, 12:36:36 PM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Got all the power stuff covered. With 40 foot depth I choose?to run most everything down the middle at 20'.? The welder?and compressor 220V are on the opposite?wall from the breaker box..? I have another tip that I can pass on from Robert MacKenzie,? I plan on a free floor lift and getting the arms under teh car is always a pain.? Robert puts his car on a set of dollies first. makes the arm swing a breeze. Bob Kramer On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:01 AM Bob Bownes -Seiri wrote: It?s overkill, but I have an electrical reel and air hose reel over each bay. It comes in terribly handy.? Don?t know about the planned lift, but mine is 220VAC, so don?t forget you may need that.? On that note, I?ve been accumulating Real ?Machine Tools of late that all need 220 3phase. So 220 drops are going in around the shop for those and the welder. I find it easier to move the welder to the work than the work to the welder sometimes.? On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:54, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: ?Those are great ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing system and I have an overhead run 20' in.? Dropping a line down and mounting it on both posts of the lifts would be a simple upgrade.. I did think ahead and wired in an extra 30 amp circuit up top. I was planning on using a retractable electric hose reel but dropping an outlet to the posts might be a better plan.? Bob Kramer On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bill Tobin via Fot wrote: Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder. While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs! Ask me how I learned all this stuff! Happy New Year everyone. Cheers Bill On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Is that a 50 x 30?? I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches?and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift. Bob Kramer On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3.? This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters.? On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: This TR3 Beta got me thinking.? The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 frame.? The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to either the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.? The TR6 used basically the same frame.? Are there solid axle TR6s out there? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From steve at artwithcars.com Tue Dec 31 13:11:44 2019 From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 12:11:44 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Rollbar/cage Message-ID: <233FCDE7-5AD9-4AF4-900E-C5F5D6E0CAE6@artwithcars.com> I have a front hoop that goes under the cowl behind the dashboard ~Steve > On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Dennis DeLap via Fot wrote: > From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 31 13:18:40 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 20:18:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Rollbar/cage In-Reply-To: <20191231195526.D01C2A0B40@autox.team.net> References: <20191231195526.D01C2A0B40@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <395491636.3494363.1577823520185@mail.yahoo.com> Hi - Assuming you're asking about a front hoop for the roll cage? If so, then yes. It gives you something to tie the side protection to, Most folks with open top cars in vintage put the front hoop down at the level of the "scuttle" as opposed to the "halo" type that most coupes and sedans would use. Regards,Bob Lang On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, 2:55:28 PM EST, Dennis DeLap via Fot wrote: A? M? I? C? I Does everyone have a front hoop on their car?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tr3a58dean at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 13:33:15 2019 From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean Tetterton) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 15:33:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Rollbar/cage In-Reply-To: <233FCDE7-5AD9-4AF4-900E-C5F5D6E0CAE6@artwithcars.com> References: <233FCDE7-5AD9-4AF4-900E-C5F5D6E0CAE6@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: Always ran a front hoop. Made a good place to hang pedals. Dean T. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 31, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?I have a front hoop that goes under the cowl behind the dashboard > > ~Steve > > >> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Dennis DeLap via Fot wrote: >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3a58dean at gmail.com > > From johnstydo at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 14:17:52 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 16:17:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Rollbar/cage In-Reply-To: References: <233FCDE7-5AD9-4AF4-900E-C5F5D6E0CAE6@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: I have a front hoop behind the dash on my TR3 and I use it to stiffen the scuttle with side mount brackets and attach the side bars. On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:33 PM Dean Tetterton via Fot wrote: > Always ran a front hoop. Made a good place to hang pedals. > Dean T. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 31, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?I have a front hoop that goes under the cowl behind the dashboard > > > > ~Steve > > > > > >> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Dennis DeLap via Fot > wrote: > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3a58dean at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmccjr at aol.com Tue Dec 31 14:41:04 2019 From: fmccjr at aol.com (fmccjr at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 16:41:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Rollbar/cage In-Reply-To: References: <233FCDE7-5AD9-4AF4-900E-C5F5D6E0CAE6@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: I do, as well. SCCA refs in 1980s I guess. The VSCCA raised an eyebrow, but let me play anyway! Rick McCurdy Newburgh, NY > On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > I have a front hoop behind the dash on my TR3 and I use it to stiffen the scuttle with side mount brackets and attach the side bars. > >> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:33 PM Dean Tetterton via Fot wrote: >> Always ran a front hoop. Made a good place to hang pedals. >> Dean T. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?I have a front hoop that goes under the cowl behind the dashboard >> > >> > ~Steve >> > >> > >> >> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Dennis DeLap via Fot wrote: >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3a58dean at gmail.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmccjr at aol.com Tue Dec 31 14:41:04 2019 From: fmccjr at aol.com (fmccjr at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 16:41:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Rollbar/cage In-Reply-To: References: <233FCDE7-5AD9-4AF4-900E-C5F5D6E0CAE6@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: I do, as well. SCCA refs in 1980s I guess. The VSCCA raised an eyebrow, but let me play anyway! Rick McCurdy Newburgh, NY > On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > > I have a front hoop behind the dash on my TR3 and I use it to stiffen the scuttle with side mount brackets and attach the side bars. > >> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:33 PM Dean Tetterton via Fot wrote: >> Always ran a front hoop. Made a good place to hang pedals. >> Dean T. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?I have a front hoop that goes under the cowl behind the dashboard >> > >> > ~Steve >> > >> > >> >> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Dennis DeLap via Fot wrote: >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3a58dean at gmail.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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